
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, September 5 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5012



Nats pix- how to share?
Re: Car Crazy Poster
I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)
Re: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)
Re: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)
Re: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)
Re: Trans cooler
Re: Amsoil Synthetic Gear Oil service rate?
Folks in CA, please write letters! Smog bill!
Re: cowl screen
Re: Looking for chrome moulding clips
TH400 filter variation solution
Re: Trans cooler
OCA 04 meet: the plot thickens
Jacks So You Can Have ATF Shampoos
High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
70 Olds Sales Brochure
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 22:08:33 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Nats pix- how to share?

Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:13:48 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Nationals results???

And what about the pictures?  Didn't anyone take any pictures?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
=================
I got lots of pictures of the Nitpicking Judges picking the nits on my car
For all the good it did me

I also got pix of the other cars there
Truck with toro drivetrain in the back, etc.
How to share them?
Fake ads on ebay just annoys ebay
not that annoying ebay is such a bad thing.....
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:15:09 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Car Crazy Poster

Thanks for the info Doug! Forgot about the disclaimer. I'll be on the
lookout.

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Newman" <newmand@oldsgmail.com>
To: "'Classic Olds List'" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Car Crazy Poster

> Just to add to Steve's reply, Ralph Gains got his first batch of posters
> from the printer shortly before he left for the Nationals in
> Minneapolis.  He had a disclaimer on the website saying that he wouldn't
> be able to start sending out the online orders until he got back from
> the Nationals.  He's been getting caught up this week, and I'm sure
> you'll receive yours early next week, since they're all being shipped
> UPS on a "first ordered-first shipped" basis.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:33:35 EDT
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)

Hi all,

I cringed when I sent my recent  post, being the first time I ever attepmted 
to post "a link" to some  pictures.  Whatever happened, it wasn't what I had 
expected to  happen.  I thought just a link would post.  I also thought the 
worst  case scenario would be that it just would not go through. It seems as if 
the  jury is still out as far as what resulted.  Again, sorry if I violated 
some  protocol.  I have read every digest for years and posted once in a  while.  
I consider this to be the ultimate Olds resource.  I'm an Olds  owner first, 
computer owner second.

Maybe someone could offer a  constructive suggestion on how to post a link to 
a  picture.

Thanks,
Charlie Toone
OCA Member# 22915
1971 Cutlass  Supreme Convertible
1972 H/O (w/sunroof) - for a short while
1966 F-85 -  my first car - long  gone
ChazToone@aol.com
http://hometown.aol.com/chaztoone/myhomepage/index.html   

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 02:50:23 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)

At 10:33 PM 9/3/2004 EDT, you wrote:
>Maybe someone could offer a  constructive suggestion on how to post 
>a link to a  picture.

Well, it's likely not easy, using AoHell's e-mailers. I see from your
header, this time, yer using version 9.0. IIRC, you CAN set that one to
plain text but you have to do it for every post you send. In any case, it
wasn't the link that was so bad: it was that the entire post was in x-html,
which created several pages of code for just a few lines of messaging. You
didn't know, and that's OK. But using AoHell is just not "with it" these
days  ;o(((((

If you're able to switch that version 9.0 e-mailer to plain text when you
want to post, then when you type in text that is a URL, it SHOULD only show
up as plain text. Whether 9.0 actually behaves that way, I dunno.

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 23:06:24 EDT
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)

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In a message dated 9/3/2004 9:50:22 PM Central Daylight Time,  k0xp@dandy.net 
writes:

At 10:33  PM 9/3/2004 EDT, you wrote:
>Maybe someone could offer a   constructive suggestion on how to post 
>a link to a   picture.

Well, it's likely not easy, using AoHell's e-mailers. I see  from your
header, this time, yer using version 9.0. IIRC, you CAN set that  one to
plain text but you have to do it for every post you send. In any  case, it
wasn't the link that was so bad: it was that the entire post was  in x-html,
which created several pages of code for just a few lines of  messaging. You
didn't know, and that's OK. But using AoHell is just not  "with it" these
days  ;o(((((

If you're able to switch that  version 9.0 e-mailer to plain text when you
want to post, then when you  type in text that is a URL, it SHOULD only show
up as plain text. Whether  9.0 actually behaves that way, I  dunno.

SteveH



OK, guess I'm not with it, I am on AOL still, (had the account since 1993,  
tried using my Outlook business account, the list kept bouncing everything  I 
sent) but I just sent a link and no one complained about it. When writing  mail 
and need to send a link just right click on body of mail and click on  
"Insert Hyperlink"  then paste your link in the box, click ok, it will  insert it in 
your mail and no one will complain. 
TJ

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:38:48 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: I did say sorry  (was Old Olds clock)

Hey Chaz; don't sweat it too much, "I" got bounced and chewed for using
HTML, instead of plain text. I have never had to switch until becoming a
"joiner". I use a very good firewall, so the little "nasties" that come
pigtailed on HTML never bother me. I mistakenly assumed that every one else
used the same technology................, I was wrong;  what else is new!
So, every time I post something, whether or not useful, I switch back and
forth, Aw--Man-u-al........., keeps the Majordomo happy.
When I was "busted" for using HTML, I was told via the list.........., that
I should switch to a Ya hoot,,,,,,account. YA right, as if they are any
better than  AOHELL.  You are doing just fine, I enjoy the banter, Aren't
Olds. folks the best!
Happy Holidays to the listers;
Rick Messenger
'76 LS 98
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ChazToone@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 7:33 PM
Subject: I did say sorry (was Old Olds clock)


> Hi all,
>
> I cringed when I sent my recent  post, being the first time I ever
attepmted
> to post "a link" to some  pictures.  Whatever happened, it wasn't what I
had
> expected to  happen.  I thought just a link would post.  I also thought
the
> worst  case scenario would be that it just would not go through. It seems
as if
> the  jury is still out as far as what resulted.  Again, sorry if I
violated
> some  protocol.  I have read every digest for years and posted once in a
while.
> I consider this to be the ultimate Olds resource.  I'm an Olds  owner
first,
> computer owner second.
>
> Maybe someone could offer a  constructive suggestion on how to post a link
to
> a  picture.
>
> Thanks,
> Charlie Toone
> OCA Member# 22915
> 1971 Cutlass  Supreme Convertible
> 1972 H/O (w/sunroof) - for a short while
> 1966 F-85 -  my first car - long  gone
> ChazToone@aol.com
> http://hometown.aol.com/chaztoone/myhomepage/index.html
>
>

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:40:19 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Trans cooler

> Shouldn't I put the trans cooler before the rad, to keep as much heat out
of
> it as possible?


If you reallt want to kepp as much heat out as possible, run the
transmission cooler ***separate*** from the radiator.


> AFAIR, the reason to put the trans cooler after the rad, is to keep the
> transmission at apropriate temperature, not to over cool it, the hot water
> in the rad helping the trans to warm up sooner.
> Am I wrong?


There's nothing wrong with overcooling a transmission. There's a chart
showing a transmission temperature of 140F allowing the transmission to last
forever. At 170F, the transmission will last 150,000 miles. At 200F, the
transmission will last 75,000 miles.

I've never run a transmission cooler through the stock radiator. The
transmission clutches and bands have always lasted forever. That includes
operation in Missoura Winters at -20F.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 22:59:19 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Amsoil Synthetic Gear Oil service rate?

> Does anyone know when one should service/R&R synthetic gear
> oil/fluid?  This is the first time I have used the stuff and am curious.


Leave it in for 50,000 miles, just like petroleum gear fluid.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 23:27:50 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Folks in CA, please write letters! Smog bill!

Smog Check II (AB2638) update: This bill, which would repeal the 30 year 
rolling smog exemption for all vehicles 1976 and newer, has been amended. 
The only chance we have to keep this bill from being signed into law is to 
write email, letter or call the Governor.

Here more info:

http://www.geocities.com/smogrfg/

Write to Schwarzenegger here:

http://www.govmail.ca.gov

There actually is a pull down menu for the subject line and AB2638 is the 
second choice. Oppose this bill and ask the Governor to veto it.

Cheers, George
71 442
71 C/S rag
71 parts car (parts f/s!)
numerous cars that want to be exempt SOME day!

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 05:26:06 -0500
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

Dave
The hardware cloth LOOKS great better than new.
THANKS     Bob

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 08:51:58 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for chrome moulding clips

> David Manly wrote:
> > Hello, I am in search of the chrome molding clips (plastic) that hold
the
> > optional wide lower molding on the 1981 Olds Cutlass 2 dr (should be the
> > same for the later 82-86 also)
> >
> > Has anyone found a aftermarket source for these clips? Olds says no go
on
> > new ones thru them.

Look here too:

http://www.mrgusa.com/fasindex.htm

drc

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 11:08:43 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: TH400 filter variation solution

Folks,

As some will recall, I recently tried to install a deeper B&M  pan on 
my rebuilt, non-original TH400. When I dropped the old pan on the 
transmission, I found the common, flat filter, but it was held in 
place by a spring steel clip instead of the regular bolt. Thus the 
B&M extended bolt for the deeper pan wouldn't work. It turned out 
that I had a 66-67 transmission, which doesn't have the bolt hole in 
the proper place for the typical filter.

I found the older style filter at partsamerica.com. It came in this 
week and worked perfectly with the B&M pick up extension. The deeper 
pan and new filter are now in place. You can see all the thrilling 
details at http://www.johnlivingston.com/th400_filter_bolts.htm

Thanks for everyone's help with this.

John
68 442 convt. back on the road

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 17:16:42 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Trans cooler

good point, Milton, thanks
Matt


> If you reallt want to kepp as much heat out as possible, run the
> transmission cooler ***separate*** from the radiator.
>
> There's nothing wrong with overcooling a transmission. There's a chart
> showing a transmission temperature of 140F allowing the transmission to
last
> forever. At 170F, the transmission will last 150,000 miles. At 200F, the
> transmission will last 75,000 miles.
>
> I've never run a transmission cooler through the stock radiator. The
> transmission clutches and bands have always lasted forever. That includes
> operation in Missoura Winters at -20F.

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 19:03:34 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OCA 04 meet: the plot thickens

Turns out the car WAS pre-registered properly

The confusion, as I suspected, was that my friend, who performed the task, 
used his name rather than mine.

This should clear the matter up tootsweet.

One can only hope.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 00:40:59 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Jacks So You Can Have ATF Shampoos

At 04:02 PM 9/4/2004 -0700, someone wrote:
>> to spill the tranny fluid everywhere, just pull the plug, once
>> drained, then drop the pan. Alot cleaner.
>
>But without those ATF shampoos how is my hair going to stay baby-soft?
>:)

...... and speaking of ATF shampoos.....  I just acquired these jacks today:
http://members.dandy.net/~k0xp/Oldsmobile/New_Jacks/New_Jacks-a.jpg

(change that last letter a to b through f for more). Originally, I called
on the tranny jack, advertised for $100. I asked whether it was a lift type
(as used in garages underneath lifts) or floor: "Floor." Is it a scissors
type or hydraulic?? "Mechanical." Uhh... ok... not sure what he means by
that... In good shape, doesn't leak? "Can't leak, it's mechanical. Yeah, in
good shape, a little dirty, maybe." So off I goes to see it, about 35 miles
away but it's the only one listed in the local "Recycler"-type paper. I
find it like this and while initially somewhat turned off due to no
hydraulics, eventually decided it's obviously pretty hefty, it's light
enough I can carry it down to the basement, and it's not a bad deal
considering the alternatives will send my money to some off-shore country
and I'll like get something made from a cupla long-crushed H/Os or 442s  ;o\

Say: you happen to have any floor jacks?  "Ummm... yeah, got one back here,
let's go look."  So he drags out this older-model Sears type. It goes up
with my weight on it, in good shape but he mentions it won't lift a car any
longer, needs the pump rebuilt. How much??  "Free: just get it outta here."

OOOOKKKKKAAAAAYYYY....   :o))))))))))

So I wound up with a tranny jack, originally made by Walker Manufacturing
Equipment of Racine, Wisconsin, No. 44, Series D, "Patent Applied For" and
capacity rated at 500 lbs. After a bit of cleanup, I find stamped into the
adjustable tranny pan holders on the platform the type of trannies they
were intended to support: Ultramatic, Dynaflow, Hydramatic, Studebaker,
Frod, and the REAL kicker: "Prestomatic Rear Up to 1948 Only"  ;o)  No real
idea just how old this thing is but at least mid-'50s, eh  :o)  Got it all
cleaned up, lubed, oiled, and it's ready to go back into service tomorrow.
The Sears floor jack, unfortunately, doesn't lift the rear of my BBA off
the ground although it comes close; it just might lift a G-body, I dunno
yet. Didn't check the fluid level but I'm sure the PO already did check
that; I'll have a looksee tomorrow. It's a lot newer, 01/89 according to
the label on it so maybe a rebuild kit is still available.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:45:11 -0500
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
Subject: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

I've been mixing leaded racing fuel (Phillips Min 110 Oct) with standard 93
Oct premium at about 1 to 1 ratio to get a fuel delivering better
performance for my W-31 and to add lead to prevent excessive valve wear. The
engine pinged with the 93  when I stepped on it. It runs much better on the
mixed fuel and I found no improvement with some of the "on the self" octane
boosters. Question is, is there enough lead in the leaded racing fuel at
this mixture to not add any valve wear additive?  I believe it is, but
others on the list should know better than me.  Also at 1 to 1 ratio
performance was very good, but should I try to reduce it further?  Drove to
and from the OCA Nationals last week, about 1000 miles plus, about 14.5 mpg,
a little less than the trip to Lansing a month ago, however, a lot of 70-80
mph driving and sometimes more when passing trucks. Rear is a 3.42 rather
than a 3.92, so the mpg seems about right.

Didn't see Chris at the Nationals.  He must have drove in quick and snuck
out Saturday morning. Hope his judging saga gets worked out OK, remember no
ones perfect.   Judging took all day Friday, it did seem like they spent
30-40 minutes on each car, which is OK with me, but it was slow.  I didn't
get a good chance to look at other cars in other classes until Saturday. I
got my two-cents worth in (to the judges) about radiator shrouds for W-31's,
but that's about all (Mine had a shroud ever since 1970, but not one bolted
in from the top). Appears some W 31's were made without shrouds.  It was my
first time being judged by OCA and I and many others thought I should have
done better, but I did learn some pointers on little things that cost you
points. However, I did get an award (2nd)and hope to do better next time.

Those who did not make the banquet Saturday night missed some good
entertainment by two good entertainers, one very beautiful young lady, but
their awards presentation was all screwed-up with computer error after
computer error. They finally finished by 10-10:30, and wanted to pass the
hat for donations, because they were over budget and on overtime, which did
not go over very well with most of the 700+ guests.  My two sons (grown men)
went with me to the show, but left the banquet early, if that means
anything.

Nationals are in Seattle next year, Dallas next and in Bowling Green
Kentucky in 2007. I'll make one, maybe two, with a car in the show, Seattle
is too far, if your still working.

Dan Bodine
70 W-31 4-speed (Beginning 34 years of ownership)
71 442, runs, but next years project to upgrade

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:57:49 -0500
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
Subject: 70 Olds Sales Brochure

Does anyone have for sale or access to a '70 sales brochure where there is
an approximate 11x17 fold out Color picture of the W 30 and one also of the
W 31?  I saw one at the National Show in the trunk of a car owner, but did
not see any at the swap meet, or at least any left by Saturday.  I have a
black & white copy, but would like to obtain the brochure or at minimum get
a good color copy of the 70 Cutlass S W-31, Rally Red.

Dan Bodine

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:02:06 EDT
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

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In a message dated 9/4/2004 8:34:32 PM Central Daylight Time,  
danbodine@prairieinet.net writes:

I've  been mixing leaded racing fuel (Phillips Min 110 Oct) with standard 93
Oct  premium at about 1 to 1 ratio to get a fuel delivering better
performance  for my W-31 and to add lead to prevent excessive valve wear. The
engine  pinged with the 93  when I stepped on it. It runs much better on  the
mixed fuel and I found no improvement with some of the "on the self"  octane
boosters. Question is, is there enough lead in the leaded racing  fuel at
this mixture to not add any valve wear additive?  I believe it  is, but
others on the list should know better than me.  Also at 1 to 1  ratio
performance was very good, but should I try to reduce it  further?  Drove to
and from the OCA Nationals last week, about 1000  miles plus, about 14.5 mpg,
a little less than the trip to Lansing a month  ago, however, a lot of 70-80
mph driving and sometimes more when passing  trucks. Rear is a 3.42 rather
than a 3.92, so the mpg seems about  right.

Didn't see Chris at the Nationals.  He must have drove in  quick and snuck
out Saturday morning. Hope his judging saga gets worked out  OK, remember no
ones perfect.   Judging took all day Friday, it  did seem like they spent
30-40 minutes on each car, which is OK with me,  but it was slow.  I didn't
get a good chance to look at other cars in  other classes until Saturday. I
got my two-cents worth in (to the judges)  about radiator shrouds for W-31's,
but that's about all (Mine had a shroud  ever since 1970, but not one bolted
in from the top). Appears some W 31's  were made without shrouds.  It was my
first time being judged by OCA  and I and many others thought I should have
done better, but I did learn  some pointers on little things that cost you
points. However, I did get an  award (2nd)and hope to do better next time.

Those who did not make the  banquet Saturday night missed some good
entertainment by two good  entertainers, one very beautiful young lady, but
their awards presentation  was all screwed-up with computer error after
computer error. They finally  finished by 10-10:30, and wanted to pass the
hat for donations, because  they were over budget and on overtime, which did
not go over very well with  most of the 700+ guests.  My two sons (grown men)
went with me to the  show, but left the banquet early, if that means
anything.

Nationals  are in Seattle next year, Dallas next and in Bowling Green
Kentucky in  2007. I'll make one, maybe two, with a car in the show, Seattle
is too far,  if your still working.

Dan Bodine
70 W-31 4-speed (Beginning 34  years of ownership)
71 442, runs, but next years project to  upgrade





Not sure who's doing the A/V at the nationals but I would be glad to bid on  
it. I'm sure I could get the slide show correct. 
_www.technicalproductions.com_ (http://www.technicalproductions.com) 
 

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<DIV>In a message dated 9/4/2004 8:34:32 PM Central Daylight Time,=20
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  been mixing leaded racing fuel (Phillips Min 110 Oct) with standard 93<BR>=
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  premium at about 1 to 1 ratio to get a fuel delivering better<BR>performan=
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  for my W-31 and to add lead to prevent excessive valve wear. The<BR>engine=
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  pinged with the 93&nbsp; when I stepped on it. It runs much better on=20
  the<BR>mixed fuel and I found no improvement with some of the "on the self=
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  octane<BR>boosters. Question is, is there enough lead in the leaded racing=
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  is, but<BR>others on the list should know better than me.&nbsp; Also at 1=20=
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  ratio<BR>performance was very good, but should I try to reduce it=20
  further?&nbsp; Drove to<BR>and from the OCA Nationals last week, about 100=
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  miles plus, about 14.5 mpg,<BR>a little less than the trip to Lansing a mo=
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  ago, however, a lot of 70-80<BR>mph driving and sometimes more when passin=
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  trucks. Rear is a 3.42 rather<BR>than a 3.92, so the mpg seems about=20
  right.<BR><BR>Didn't see Chris at the Nationals.&nbsp; He must have drove=20=
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  quick and snuck<BR>out Saturday morning. Hope his judging saga gets worked=
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  OK, remember no<BR>ones perfect.&nbsp;&nbsp; Judging took all day Friday,=20=
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  did seem like they spent<BR>30-40 minutes on each car, which is OK with me=
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  but it was slow.&nbsp; I didn't<BR>get a good chance to look at other cars=
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  other classes until Saturday. I<BR>got my two-cents worth in (to the judge=
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  about radiator shrouds for W-31's,<BR>but that's about all (Mine had a shr=
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  ever since 1970, but not one bolted<BR>in from the top). Appears some W 31=
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  were made without shrouds.&nbsp; It was my<BR>first time being judged by O=
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  and I and many others thought I should have<BR>done better, but I did lear=
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  some pointers on little things that cost you<BR>points. However, I did get=
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  award (2nd)and hope to do better next time.<BR><BR>Those who did not make=20=
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  banquet Saturday night missed some good<BR>entertainment by two good=20
  entertainers, one very beautiful young lady, but<BR>their awards presentat=
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  was all screwed-up with computer error after<BR>computer error. They final=
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  finished by 10-10:30, and wanted to pass the<BR>hat for donations, because=
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  they were over budget and on overtime, which did<BR>not go over very well=20=
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  most of the 700+ guests.&nbsp; My two sons (grown men)<BR>went with me to=20=
the=20
  show, but left the banquet early, if that means<BR>anything.<BR><BR>Nation=
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  are in Seattle next year, Dallas next and in Bowling Green<BR>Kentucky in=20
  2007. I'll make one, maybe two, with a car in the show, Seattle<BR>is too=20=
far,=20
  if your still working.<BR><BR>Dan Bodine<BR>70 W-31 4-speed (Beginning 34=20
  years of ownership)<BR>71 442, runs, but next years project to=20
  upgrade<BR><BR><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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<DIV>Not sure who's doing the A/V at the nationals but I would be glad to bi=
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it. I'm sure I could get the slide show correct. <A=20
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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 20:49:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> I've been mixing leaded racing fuel (Phillips Min 110 Oct) with standard
93
> Oct premium at about 1 to 1 ratio to get a fuel delivering better
> performance for my W-31 and to add lead to prevent excessive valve wear.


Good. I do the same thing with Thunder for her 11-1 CR.


> The
> engine pinged with the 93  when I stepped on it. It runs much better on
the
> mixed fuel and I found no improvement with some of the "on the self"
octane
> boosters.


That's right. Nothing can compare to the results of using racing gas.


> Question is, is there enough lead in the leaded racing fuel at
> this mixture to not add any valve wear additive?


Yes! Leaded racing gas has 4 grams per gallon of tetraethyl lead, which is
both the octane booster and the valve lubricant. Only 1 gram per gallon is
needed for proper valve lubrication. So, you could cut the racing gas to 75%
unleaded and 25% leaded racing and still have enough lead for proper
lubrication.


> Also at 1 to 1 ratio
> performance was very good, but should I try to reduce it further?


That's up to you.

I run Thunder with 25% 114 octane leaded Trick Racing Gas ($5.25 per gallon)
and 75% 91 octane unleaded much of the time. She never sees less than 25%
114, but is often more than 25% 114 up to 100% 114 when I'm feeling
squirrely.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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