
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 5 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5046



Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts (Long)
Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts
RE: Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits
RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru
RE: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!
Door panel  replacements
Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts (Long)
Re: Door panel  replacements
Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?
1976 Olds ,, Delta (??) 2 Dr. parts car
Re: Door panel  replacements
FS: 1968 Ninety Eight RF Fender VG complete w/ trim
RE: 1968 Ninety Eight RF Fender VG complete w/ trim
Back From the West Coast
Re: Back From the West Coast
RE: snafu resolved!
RE: snafu resolved!
RE: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!
Fw: The General signing off
Re: Back From the West Coast
Re: door edge guard
RE: door edge guard
Re: Door panel  replacements
Re: Door panel  replacements
Re: Back From the West Coast
RE: Door panel  replacements
RE: The General signing off
Re: 1976 Olds ,, Delta (??) 2 Dr. parts car
Re: door edge guard
RE: Snafu resolution is at hand. Damn the apologies, full speed ahead!

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:16:56 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts (Long)

> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:52:50 EDT
> From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
> Subject: Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts (Long)

snip

> I just got a new Oldsmobile  Parts Catalog that 
> covers these rearends 
> and I am going to try and find out what  will interchange (if 
> anything) 
> between the F 85 and the 88's and 98's.  If  I come up with 
> anything, I will post 
> my findings later on the List.  Hope  this clears up some of 
> the confusion 
> surrounding the O type rearend.
> Steve D

Steve,

As Chris Witt posted, the big cars used an O-Type with a 9 3/8 inch ring gear. The A-body cars used an O-Type with an 8 1/2 inch ring gear, so I doubt that any of the innards, except possibly some bearings and seals, will interchange between the two.

I should point out that Supercars Unlimited sells new limited slip units for the 8.5 inch O-Type. These are modified Frod 8.8 inch posis, but apparently they are not rejected when transplanted into an Oldsmobile :)

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:30:24 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:17:58 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts

>  With my limited knowledge of this rearend, I'm not sure where the  cutoff 
> is between the gear ratios and the posi carriers, so the same carrier may  
> work with the 3.08 and lower gears.  

Take a look at the listing on www.richmondgear.com to see what gear ratios are 
available and what carriers are used with the various ratios.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:41:35 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits

Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:00:37 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits

snip

> So, I'm now wondering what the HECK is everybody else buying, and where.

Check on www.realoldspower.com as there are multiple Oldsmobile specific vendors who have 
quality 3 piece timing sets and gasket sets IN STOCK. These are fellas who build and race 
Oldsmobiles, so they can tell you which parts are best for your application.

Below are several web sites I found with a quick search on ROP:

http://www.mjproformance.com/

HTTP://WWW.FCRPERFORMANCE.COM 

http://members.aol.com/gregsperformance/

http://www.oldsperformanceproducts.com/

www.btrperformance.com

http://www.rocketracingperformance.com/


Good Luck!

Kenneth 
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:57:10 -0400
From: "Daniel Burk" <dan@ws6transam.org>
Subject: RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

Chris wrote:

> Also negates the need to resort to the Nuclear Bomb that I had planned.

>From the sounds of it, if anyone would have surplus fissionable materials
(purachased at dirt-cheap prices, and squirreled away in the trunk of some
Olds parts car stored in the middle of a Michigan field) it's probably you!

Glad it's working out for you,

- --Dan Burk

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:41:16 -0400 
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!

John,

Thanks for this post - I had read about the initial stages of this very cool
[IMHO] step forward for the classic car industry but had not seen pictures
of the product.

Now, to open up a can of worms from not-so-long ago, I wonder how C.A.R.S.
Inc/Dynacorn Classic Bodies Inc./GM/local DMVs will handle assigning VIN #s
to these brandy new vehicles.

Been reading some interesting posts in camaro forums that insist C.A.R.S.
will issue VIN #s, but that doesn't seem to make any sense...interesting.

When do we get our Olds A body shells!? I won't hold my breath :)

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:43:18 -0400
From: "Bob Abrams" <rabrams@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Door panel  replacements

I have always had good luck with Year One parts with the exception of door
panel replacements.  The vinyl wood grain separates over the period of a few
months.  They gladly replaced the panels, however I am now on my second set
and do not want to cut/fit them for a 3rd time unless I can get better
quality panels.  2 questions:

1.	Has anyone else run into this problem (BTW, I live in Florida and suspect
the humidity could be a problem, however the rear panels are original (72
Cutlass) and are in perfect shape;

2.	Any suggestions on where to get a decent quality replacement for the
front door panels?

Thanks,

Bob

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 13:52:23 -0400 
From: "Zito, James A (GE Energy)" <james.zito@ps.ge.com>
Subject: Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts (Long)

Beware that Canadian 442, and possibly Cutlass as well came with the
legendary Chevy 12 bolt until 1971. Hence the c-clips....
Chris (Carson)

All Canook A-Bodies had the C(anook) type rear with the C(anook)-clips......

Jim
have 2 C(anook)-type rears one from a 442 and 1 from an S both were
assembled in Oshawa in '68 model year....

Also 3 real O types in 2 442's and an S all from Lansing 

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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:30:42 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Door panel  replacements

I put some PUI panels on my doors. I'm pretty sure they came from 
Year One, but PUI is carried by most retailers, I think. On my 68, 
there's no ersatz wood to separate, but I did find the material very 
easily abraded. I've got a couple of little tears already, and they 
haven't been exposed to much use. I was thinking about Legendary 
(http://www.legendaryautointeriors.com/ ) as an alternative, or 
having an upholstery shop make some up from scratch if I have to. 
Don't know a lot about Legendary, though.

John
68 442 convt.

>I have always had good luck with Year One parts with the exception of door
>panel replacements.  The vinyl wood grain separates over the period of a few
>months.  They gladly replaced the panels, however I am now on my second set
>and do not want to cut/fit them for a 3rd time unless I can get better
>quality panels.  2 questions:
>
>1.	Has anyone else run into this problem (BTW, I live in Florida 
>and suspect
>the humidity could be a problem, however the rear panels are original (72
>Cutlass) and are in perfect shape;
>
>2.	Any suggestions on where to get a decent quality replacement for the
>front door panels?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bob


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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:02:27 -0500
From: Brian Toberman <BrianToberman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?

>Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 23:53:38 +0000
>From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
>Subject: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?

>I think I asked this question earlier but the only answer I got was to
>check the Swagelok and another site (I ferget who). I've got a cupla oil
>coolers from '90s Ch*bby cop cars (9C1) and have been trying to figger out
>what the fittings actually are. I took the lines to Home Despot and tried
>to match them with brass fittings but nothing fit; they may be metric, not
>sure.

>ANYBODY have any idea what the fittings are?? They're around 5/8" diameter
>and the tubing is about 7/16" or maybe 3/8" ID. Anybody have a Parts and
>Illustration Catalog for the early '90s B-bodies?

>Thanks,
>SteveH

I would suggest you take them to a place that makes custom hydraulic 
hose, you're much more apt to come across the correct fittings. This 
includes implement dealers, they're usually pretty helpful about 
tracking down oddball connectors.

Brian T

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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:13:30 -0700
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1976 Olds ,, Delta (??) 2 Dr. parts car

Just thot someone on the olds list might be interested in this car.
I am in central Calif, and I just acquired a 1976 Olds, This CA car was 
abandoned at a local storage yard... pretty complete, missing or damaged 
items include: carb, a/c compressor, 3 rim center caps and radio, cracked 
winshield, 350(dirty gritty oil), automatic, floor console, marroon, 76 Olds 
(Delta 88 I Believe,) to be parted out or sold as is,, no papers, I can run 
a lien sale if desired. 300$ obo for the whole car.
Email me for any more info,  pics on request. If you want me to post them, 
someone will have to enlighten me on the preferred method, otherwise I will 
email them to the interested parties.


John

1964 Olds Super 88, (found it in a field after sitting for 18 years,,, 
really)

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:37:21 -0400
From: OldsEnuf@webtv.net (Mark Sopp)
Subject: Re: Door panel  replacements

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  It must be ~really~ humid where you are to get such a failure,so
soon.....If you get stuck with the YO panels again...I would finish the
backs of the new panel with a clear laquer to stop the paper based
backing from wicking up all that Florida humidity...and distorting.

  How are your windlace mouldings,Tight?


markas

http://community.webtv.net/vfquick442/My1970442


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Subject: Door panel  replacements
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I have always had good luck with Year One parts with the exception of door
panel replacements.  The vinyl wood grain separates over the period of a few
months.  They gladly replaced the panels, however I am now on my second set
and do not want to cut/fit them for a 3rd time unless I can get better
quality panels.  2 questions:

1.	Has anyone else run into this problem (BTW, I live in Florida and suspect
the humidity could be a problem, however the rear panels are original (72
Cutlass) and are in perfect shape;

2.	Any suggestions on where to get a decent quality replacement for the
front door panels?

Thanks,

Bob


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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:19:36 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: FS: 1968 Ninety Eight RF Fender VG complete w/ trim

I have a VG 1968 Ninety Eight RF Fender complete w/ trim (moldings, scripts,
etc.) and fender extension. There is one small rust hole at the bottom and
there are a couple of small patches of surface rust around the horizontal
molding where the paint chipped off. I am looking for $100 (what I paid for
it). The only catch is that you'd have to pick it up because it is too big
for FedEx or UPS and it is not in a box or on a palette, and also because I
can't be here for a daytime pickup due to work. It will also fit a 1968
Delta 88 or Delmont, but the trim would not be correct for those cars.

I also have many, many more NOS and used parts from this car. Including:

Bumper (VG used) with brackets $100

Black dash pad VG used $80

Front cigarette lighter knob (NOS)

Front cigarette lighter plug w/ knob (NOS)

Front cigarette lighter plug w/ knob and socket (NOS)

Rear cigarette lighters (2 used)

Front rocket emblem

2 NOS rear marker bezels

at least 4 good used rear marker bezels

3 NOS 15" deluxe wheel covers

1 NOS center cap for 14" or 15" deluxe wheel covers

2 sets of 4 used 14" deluxe wheel covers

a few NOS side body moldings

2 NOS RH tail lenses

1 NOS RH tail bezel

a few NOS dash appliqués

2 used instrument panels complete

1 1967 AM/FM Wonderbar for FS Olds

1 used black steering wheel (some cracks)

Several grill sections

Good used Driver's (front left) window w/ tinted glass

1 pr NOS A-Arm seals

1 pr NOS rear floor mats (green)

1 pr NOS rear floor mats (gray)

1 NOS upper windshield trim

1 pr NOS Door Edge Guards

1 good used front nose piece (between the tooth & the bumper)

1 pr good used, freshly repainted stone shields

1 good used fender skirt w/ trim (OTTOMH don't remember which side)

1 pr used fender skirt trim

This is all off the top of my head and I'm sure I'm forgetting some stuff. I
wanted to offer it here though b4 putting anything on the evil site. contact
me privately if interested. It may also be possible for me to deliver the
fender, bumper, and/or dash pad in my EC if you are very nearby.

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 16:39:12 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 1968 Ninety Eight RF Fender VG complete w/ trim

p.s.

Front rocket emblem is NOS

Also the rear lighters are plugs w/ knobs, and I think the sockets are there
too.

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:13:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Back From the West Coast

Just wanted to let the list know that I'm back from my trip to Washington
state and admin services will now be available again. 

Spent a couple of days in Seattle - great city - and a while in the desert
of Eastern Washington. What an amazing drive it is from the big trees and
mountains around the west coast over the Cascades and into the desert
hills out east. Just spectacular. The only interesting Olds I saw was a
'63 Cutlass convertible on a car carrier in Kirkland. The was a
fascinating junkyard I saw from I-82 west of Richland that was full of
'50s Buicks, so there could have been some old Oldses in there, but I
didn't have an opportunity to stop.  

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 17:19:32 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Back From the West Coast

At 05:13 PM 10/4/2004, you wrote:
>Just wanted to let the list know that I'm back from my trip to Washington
>state and ...

OK, EVERYBODY ON THEIR BEST BEHAVIOR! :)

Greg, great to have you back! :)

Yes, the list was very well-behaved when you were gone. You can take my 
word for it... :)


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http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 19:01:25 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: snafu resolved!

>From: "Bob Casey" <yellowbird@golden.net>
>To: <RocketScience442@hotmail.com>
>CC: <peyancey@aol.com>,"Bill Blood" <weblood@worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: snafu
>Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 22:00:43 -0400
>
>Mr. Chris Witt,
>
>I introduce myself to you as the OCA Chief Judge primarily responsible to 
>Chair a six person OCA judging committee, and, when a dispute at an OCA 
>National occurs my position is as a mediator in the dispute. I am not 
>normally called upon at the National unless something of a serious nature 
>shows up at the time of judging or at any time during the duration of the 
>National. With that in mind I proceed with this communication to you.
>
>Even before you had found it necessary to proceed in the latest manner I 
>had begun an investigation into the apparent "snafu" regarding the 
>registration of your vehicle at this years 2004 national.
===============
Innnnnnteresting.
I would like to be kept abreast of such developments, could have avoided the 
whole Last Blast thing.



>I must, as you will attest to by my e-mails to you and copied to the 
>Minnesota Chapter members, completely support those folks as to what the 
>rules spell out and what actions they should and should not take. The 
>e-mails from me to you and them at the time were prompted by what I was 
>able to read into the contents of e-mails from you and them. I informed you 
>and them as to the rulings as they read and are to be upheld unless 
>extenuating circumstances direct me to do otherwise.
==============
Preeeee-cisely, I only wanted the Rules to be followed. Is there more to the 
Rules than the Word document I received upon registration? That is what I 
was going by...



>I have reviewed ALL of the actions taken on both sides at this years 
>National and I find the following:
>
>The registration form (regardless of when it arrived) was accepted by the 
>Minnesota Chapter registration people whether it said Joe Murphy, Chris 
>Witt or Donald Duck.
==========================
Agreed. I was gonna run with "Fred Flintstone" because the one guy's name is 
Fred, but, whatever.



>When this registration form was picked up (and it matters not by whom) 
>there was no red flag that anything was wrong and it included a "goody bag" 
>that held the judging sheet given out for that registration.
====================
Further agreed.


>When the judges for the class that this registered vehicle was part of, 
>came to this vehicle, found it not to be on their sheet of vehicles to 
>judge, NOTHING was said. When the name on the judging sheet with OCA # was 
>compared (if it was) to the list, this vehicle's owners name was not there 
>and nothing was said.
===============
I find it strange that the car was not on such a list of cars to be judged. 
Other points of strangeness we shall leave sleeping at this time.



>The judges went ahead and judged this vehicle probably because there are 
>times when there is an extra vehicle in a line and the judges for this 
>class will hear about it before the class judging is finished. At this time 
>if there is no notification by the Meet Head Judge to include this vehicle 
>in the class the Team Captain informs the Meet Head Judge that there is an 
>extra vehicle in this class and why is it there. Following it's judging, 
>there is a sticker put on the windshield to show the Meet Head Judge on 
>his/her rounds that all the vehicles in the class have been judged. If this 
>sticker is there then the Meet Head Judge (who has the entire field to 
>worry about) would not see anything out of the ordinary. All this time of 
>course there is no reason for the owner to suspect there is anything wrong 
>either.
==============
That was my experience. Everything looked hunky-dory right up until Saturday 
AM when suddenly the car's registration has "vaporized".



>The list of winners both 1st, 2nd and 3rd is posted and there is a vehicle 
>missing. The owner approaches the Meet Head Judge in the swap area not 
>knowing that he has had an absolutely horrendous task of rushing to find 
>more judges, rework classes and try and get all vehicles judged and this 
>starts at 6:30 a.m. The owner is informed that "the vehicle in question was 
>not eligible".
===========
Mr. Blood's problems must not be confused with mine. I certainly sympathize 
with his plight, and I expect the same in return. I would have GLADLY helped 
judge the 68's or even the 66's [if it came to pass that I did not have an 
entry in the 66's class]. No one ever asked.



>From this moment on I have conflicting reports as to why it took so long 
>(all day Friday) before the owner had any idea there was a problem.
===============
CORRECTION:
No problem was known to me until SATURDAY AM... when the awards/ placings 
were posted. Even then, it appeared to be some simple name snafu mixup, and 
nothing to worry much about.



>Conclusion:
>I would call this a "comedy of errors" if it weren't for the fact that the 
>owner sees nothing funny about it.
===============
You, sir, are a Master of Understatement.


>Resolution:
>Your judging sheet is indeed available as this is common practice in the 
>OCA judging criteria (they are saved for one year whether they are felt to 
>be bogus or not).
>Your award is available and will be forwarded to you if you wish it.
==================
I will look forward to receiveing those items in the mail within oh say 10 
calendar days then. That'd be 15OCT04. You can use either my address, below, 
or Mr. Murphy's- he is just a short drive away.
   I assume that a correction/ addition will also be placed in the next club 
newsletter, "Journey With Olds," in the event that the car placed up there 
in the 700+ point range.



>Confirmation:
>Mr. Witt, apologies are sometimes all we have and most times that is all 
>that is needed when offered. It does surprise me that you would feel that 
>legal avenues were your "ace up my sleeve" and I assure you, that approach 
>had no bearing on the actions I have taken as everything was resolved with 
>a minor piece missing long before your threats reached my desk.
============
There was no "Threat" sir, simply a notification of what would take place. 
More of a "promise" than a "threat". Thankfully we did not have to resort to 
the other tactics which were planned. That would have been MOST 
uncomfortable... for all concerned.

I await communication from you that indicates that this is satisfactory to 
you and this is the absolute end to any and all means to recover all that is 
rightfully yours.
>
>Bob Casey
>OCA Chief Judge
===================
Well, the wife says that I ought to hold out for the Written Apology too. 
So, since she's pretty level headed and whatnot, I guess I have to agree. An 
ideal apology would be kind of like the above paragraph, but instead of 
vaguely referring to apologies, it would have direct exact wording, like:
.
"I [we] apologize profusely for the bungling of your 2004 OCA National Meet 
registration, and the subsequent inappropriate denials of responsibilty- 
please rest assured that steps have been taken to ensure that such errors do 
not happen again". THAT would be Just Perfect.
.
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:29:15 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: snafu resolved!

I would just like to point out one typo. "Meet Head Judge" should have been
spelled "Meathead Judge".

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 19:38:39 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!

Right now the only plans for A-body cars are 1967 Chevelle convertible and
possibly 1967 GTO. They are doing unibody cars first though since sheet
metal rot takes them to the grave sooner than full-frame cars.

John Nasta

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:27:45 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Fw: The General signing off

> Hey Randy,
>
>         Please tell the list that I appreciate the
> kind words - Old generals never die - they just
> fade away ...............
>
>
> The General

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:58:14 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Back From the West Coast

glad your'e back and you  had a good time.
 now who's in trouble?
 take care 
ron 
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Beaulieu" <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: "Oldsmobile" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Back From the West Coast


> Just wanted to let the list know that I'm back from my trip to Washington
> state and admin services will now be available again. 
> 
> Spent a couple of days in Seattle - great city - and a while in the desert
> of Eastern Washington. What an amazing drive it is from the big trees and
> mountains around the west coast over the Cascades and into the desert
> hills out east. Just spectacular. The only interesting Olds I saw was a
> '63 Cutlass convertible on a car carrier in Kirkland. The was a
> fascinating junkyard I saw from I-82 west of Richland that was full of
> '50s Buicks, so there could have been some old Oldses in there, but I
> didn't have an opportunity to stop.  
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
> 
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:31:06 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: door edge guard

Hi John, I assume that the 76 & 78 Toros. are the same? There is a 78 at a
PNP over here that I have scavenged parts from for my 98. I believe that the
door edge guards were still on it. If you do not get one from some where
else, next time I am there, I could look for you.
Rick Messenger
76 98 LS Coupe.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Kelsey" <ribspot@pop4.net>
To: "toro list" <thelist@toronado.net>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:42 AM
Subject: door edge guard


> Hi All
>      I am back in my 76 toro finally. It is not quite done but it is
> very close.
>     I am looking for one small part. I have had no luck anywhere. I need
> the left door edge guard. I apparantly lost it somewhere during the
> resto project. I have everything else. A small item I know but I want it
> to complete the project. Anyone?
>     While I have your attention I have two new toronado nameplates for
> the fenders. Keep in mind I didn't take these off so I don't know how
> they were removed. There is room for a hand to reinstall the left side
> with the drivers door wide open. The passenger side has what I guess is
> the heater/AC housing and even with the door wide open I see no space to
> get the nuts on the back of this thing. Any hints or suggestions
> appreciated.
> thanks
> John Kelsey
> Dayton Ohio
> an
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:40:44 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: door edge guard

I have NOS door edge guards for a 68 98. It's a long shot but maybe they're
the same?

John Nasta

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:41:40 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Door panel  replacements

Hi Bob, there is another place that sells them in Calif., it's called Just
Dashes www.justdashes.com , they do dashes and door panels. However when you
see how much they want for those baby's, your gonna cough up a lung! Good
luck.
Rick Messenger
76 98 LS coupe
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Abrams" <rabrams@bellsouth.net>
To: "Oldsmobile distribution list" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:43 AM
Subject: Door panel replacements


> I have always had good luck with Year One parts with the exception of door
> panel replacements.  The vinyl wood grain separates over the period of a
few
> months.  They gladly replaced the panels, however I am now on my second
set
> and do not want to cut/fit them for a 3rd time unless I can get better
> quality panels.  2 questions:
>
> 1. Has anyone else run into this problem (BTW, I live in Florida and
suspect
> the humidity could be a problem, however the rear panels are original (72
> Cutlass) and are in perfect shape;
>
> 2. Any suggestions on where to get a decent quality replacement for the
> front door panels?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:46:12 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Door panel  replacements

Not to try and best Mark; when I got my 98, the door panels were in pretty
bad shape (fire) loooonng story.  I rebuilt them myself with fiberglass on
the backside. Works like a charm, and they are solid as a rock. Then I
recovered them to original. I'd send pics. if I could figer oot how!
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sopp" <OldsEnuf@webtv.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: Door panel replacements


>   It must be ~really~ humid where you are to get such a failure,so
> soon.....If you get stuck with the YO panels again...I would finish the
> backs of the new panel with a clear laquer to stop the paper based
> backing from wicking up all that Florida humidity...and distorting.
>
>   How are your windlace mouldings,Tight?
>
>
> markas
>
> http://community.webtv.net/vfquick442/My1970442
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:50:53 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Back From the West Coast

O yes, we were Very good. And well behavied . And
polite,...................!
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Back From the West Coast


> At 05:13 PM 10/4/2004, you wrote:
> >Just wanted to let the list know that I'm back from my trip to Washington
> >state and ...
>
> OK, EVERYBODY ON THEIR BEST BEHAVIOR! :)
>
> Greg, great to have you back! :)
>
> Yes, the list was very well-behaved when you were gone. You can take my
> word for it... :)
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:13:57 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Door panel  replacements

Unfortunately there is only one company making them since ICP went out of
business.


- -----Original Message-----
>
> 2. Any suggestions on where to get a decent quality replacement for the
> front door panels?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 22:19:12 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: The General signing off

In case anybody is wondering if Mark is dying or destitute, he's ok. Just a
shift in priorities.



- -----Original Message-----

> Hey Randy,
>
>         Please tell the list that I appreciate the
> kind words - Old generals never die - they just
> fade away ...............
>
>
> The General

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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 20:17:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 1976 Olds ,, Delta (??) 2 Dr. parts car

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Hi, John!  While I've no use for the car, I am curious where in

central CA are you?  I'm in Healdsburg, about 65 miles north

of San Francisco.               ttyl...                Phantom455

                                                               (a. k. a. Frank)


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<P>Hi, John!&nbsp; While I've no use for the car, I <EM>am </EM>curious where in</P>
<P>central CA are you?&nbsp; I'm in Healdsburg, about 65 miles north</P>
<P>of San Francisco.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ttyl...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</P>
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 05:43:43 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: door edge guard

Rick & Roxanne wrote:
> Hi John, I assume that the 76 & 78 Toros. are the same? There is a 78 at a
> PNP over here that I have scavenged parts from for my 98. I believe that the
> door edge guards were still on it. If you do not get one from some where
> else, next time I am there, I could look for you.
> Rick Messenger
> 76 98 LS Coupe.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Kelsey" <ribspot@pop4.net>
> To: "toro list" <thelist@toronado.net>
> Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 2:42 AM
> Subject: door edge guard
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi All
>>     I am back in my 76 toro finally. It is not quite done but it is
>>very close.
>>    I am looking for one small part. I have had no luck anywhere. I need
>>the left door edge guard. I apparantly lost it somewhere during the
>>resto project. I have everything else. A small item I know but I want it
>>to complete the project. Anyone?
>>    While I have your attention I have two new toronado nameplates for
>>the fenders. Keep in mind I didn't take these off so I don't know how
>>they were removed. There is room for a hand to reinstall the left side
>>with the drivers door wide open. The passenger side has what I guess is
>>the heater/AC housing and even with the door wide open I see no space to
>>get the nuts on the back of this thing. Any hints or suggestions
>>appreciated.
>>thanks
>>John Kelsey
>>Dayton Ohio
>>an
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Hi Rick
    Yes the 78 and 76 are the same. If you have the chance I'd really 
appreciate it. let me know what you need
thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 09:36:59 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Snafu resolution is at hand. Damn the apologies, full speed ahead!

>From: "Bob Casey" <yellowbird@golden.net>
>To: <RocketScience442@hotmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 21:19:54 -0400
>
>Mr. Witt,
>
- --snip--
>
>I am a volunteer OCA Chief Judge of 6 years and a volunteer Judge since 
>1982. I alone have acted on behalf of those unknowing folks in the apology 
>offer that I presented to you in my e-mail previously. That is it !
>
>In closing I thank you for bringing all of this to my attention and I trust 
>that you will be satisfied with the results, I know I am.
>
>Bob
=============
I guess that'll have to do then.
Will consider it laid to rest as soon as I get my magificent opulent 
grandiose award and that score sheet that started the whole mess. That vague 
reference you made previously to the fact that apologies exist and are 
sometimes used... will have to placate the wife. I am sure when she meets 
you she will let you know how that works out.

See ya at the future meets.
Don't forget to ASK FOR HELP if you need it. I have gotten pretty good at 
picking nits by dismantling this car to every last item and re-assembling 
it.

CBWitt

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