
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 8 2004       Volume 01 : Number 5049



Reply Apology
Where did they go?
69 442 tire wear problem
'66 442- Judging results not in yet
OCA volunteers
eVil 69 H/O
RE: Wear patterns on tires
Odd ball A heads with A.I.R. Bosses
Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......
Re: eVil 69 H/O
Hello..........maybe you remember me
Re: Hello..........maybe you remember me
Block stamping numbers
Re: Block stamping numbers
Re: Block stamping numbers
Re: Block stamping numbers
Back Once Again...
Re: Odd ball A heads with A.I.R. Bosses
Re: Back Once Again...
Re: Block stamping numbers
Re: Wear patterns on tires
Re: Where did they go?
Re: Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......
RE: Block stamping numbers
Re: Where did they go?
Re: Where did they go?

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:13:27 -0500
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Reply Apology

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- --Branson

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:41:34 -0500
From: Jeff.Easton@abbott.com
Subject: Where did they go?

I was rebuilding the links page on my new website last night
and noticed that the Toronado list homepage seems to
be abandoned.  Is this list still active?  Do they have an
active site I can link too?

The only place I found the Olds FAQ was on Brycemans site
and all the links in the FAQ for the official site of the FAQ are
dead also.  Is this being maintined somewhere else?

- -Jeff

Jeff Easton
Grayslake, ILL
1970  442  4-Speed
see the Olds archives at its NEW location:  http://442.jeffeaston.net

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:53:16 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 69 442 tire wear problem

I am having a tire wear problem on my 69 442
Problem background:
Completely rebuilt the front end (sans new springs -ride height was within
spec) right before the alignment.
BF Goodrich Radial T/A's have about 2,000 miles on them (one was replaced
due to internal belt breakage)
Been about 1K since alignment. Haven't hit anything that I know of since ;)

The front pass tire is wearing into a "saw tooth" pattern around the outside
edge. Each individual tread block is raised along the front edge then slopes
backwards towards the trailing tread block. This makes a wear pattern that
looks like a saw blade where each saw tooth is a tread block.

Any Ideas as to what could be causing this? The car tracks well but does
seem "loose" when hitting bumps and such.

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690
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Sounds like shocks worn or incompatible with the wheel/tire combo.
CBWitt

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 08:58:59 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: '66 442- Judging results not in yet

Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:37:46 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

Chris, what award did you get.  3rd place for having many oldsmobiles lying
around and home to many bees and wasps.    LOL   :)
regards WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W30 race rocket
www.streetrockets.com
===============
Not sure yet
More as it develops
Wasps were EVERYWHERE last year, almost none of them this year.
I presume the car got at least a 3rd
Depends on how much they take off for the 15" wheels and radial tires and 
the chmabered tailpipes not being there [couild not even get them at the 
time].

Other than that, there were maybe a dozen little problem areas.
CBWitt

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:14:12 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OCA volunteers

Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:19:32 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

At 08:12 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>How could folks with that level of competency possibly have innacuracies in 
>judging? That just does not seem possible.

It's really very simple, and you even alluded to it in an earlier e-mail
where you said you would have been happy, yourself, to have helped judge
several years with which you're familiar. OCA judges are VOLUNTEERS: they
are recruited from the general membership and those who can be at any
particular show. Thus, their expertise, familiarity with any particular
vehicle, and competency can vary widely. In his e-mail, Mr. Casey, himself,
said he was running around trying to line up the judges early that morning.
SteveH
================
I see. I see... that as further evidence of incompetence. 'Cause, I never 
heard word one about anyone seeking volunteers for judging. Therefore, they 
did a poor job of getting the word out. It's not like I was MIA or 
elsewhere. I guess when you work with volunteers, you takes what you can 
get, it's not like you can punish them by firing them.

To mis-quote from Tom Sawyer:
"If I was as ignorant as that, I wouldn't let on..."

Maybe next time I can be an incompetent official or nitpicking judge. :-)
"Meathead Judge"
Hey, that's THEIR term!
CBWitt

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:22:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: eVil 69 H/O

I also believe the 455 is non #'s matching, but correct.

Vinny
68 H/O  #511
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WTH???
It's either correct, or not
If the VIN stamp does not match, it ain't correct.
We already see the intake is wrong. What else is wrong or missing?
Sounds to me like they got a smogger J head 455, swapped on some D heads 
[or, ARE they?] and called it "darn near correct" engine... because, hey, 
it's a 455, right? Pretty much the same as the original H/O motor.

The guy is keeping the Air Cleaner??? WUWT?
Keepng the intake apparently, prolly the correct carb...
Maybe keeping the posi, the mirrors, the gold stripe seats...?
What's he gonna do, sell them to the hapless buyer next year on eBay?

I don't understand how one could sell such a car with "half" of its 
significant OEM parts, if you have them on hand.

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:28:29 -0500 
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: RE: Wear patterns on tires

Mr. Schick,

I call you Mr. because that how I was taught to address someone who has
earned
the name. Thanks for all of the things to check. Could you please expand on
a few of them:
steering gear incorrectly adjusted - Is this something your average joe can
check? If so, is the procedure in the Service Manual?
incorrect tire and/or wheel size or geometry - Mr. Witt (there's that Mr.
stuff again) also cited this as a possible cause. This is probably the
culprit. I may have done something really dumb here. The original wheels
were 14x6 and I am now running 14x7 with 245-60r-14 tires. When you cut the
wheel all the way over to the left, the pass tire rubs slightly on the sway
bar and the frame. Not enough to cause exterior damage to the tire. This is
also the tire with the sawtoothing on the outside of the tire. The driver's
tire doesn't do this when cutting hard right.
First Question/statement: This rubbing could be causing internal damage to
the tire causing the wear.
Second: Why would the Pass tire rub and not the driver's "if" the geometry
is the same.
Third: Do I have to go back to running narrower tires to eliminate this
problem?
Fourth: I have a set (never used) of 3/8" wheel spacers. Would it be safe to
put these on the front to eliminate the rubbing?

Once again, thanks everyone for their help.


Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690


- -----Original Message-----
From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 3:38 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires


Pat,

> Mr. Schick,


Don't do that. It's Milton.


> I received no replies to my previous post.


I sent this out before to help answer your question. Check out these items.
Description is one thing. Actually seeing it is much better.

Often, what you are describing is wear due to mechanical condition, i.e.,
worn ball joints, worn upper and/or lower control arm bushings, bad shocks,
and unbalanced tires will cause flat spots, cups, gouges, and wavy wear on
tire edges. However, you said you had all the front end parts replaced. The
following could also cause this problem:

tires improperly inflated
wheels and/or tires out-of-true
toe-in incorrect
uneven caster
incorrect toe-out on turns
steering gear incorrectly adjusted
eccentric or bulged tires
high speed driving on curves, particularly with incorrect tire and/or wheel
size or geometry or offset or all 3

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com




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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:47:12 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Odd ball A heads with A.I.R. Bosses

Milton, you're the resident '65 expert...
Was looking at the CA car 1965 442 engine the other day

One A head has factory AIR bosses, and casting number suffix "B"
Other is the much more common sans-boss A head with no such CN suffix.
Took pix, or course.

What's you experience with regards to A heads having the A.I.R. bosses?

CBWitt

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:10:17 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

> There is a volcano erupting just south of us over the border(Mt St Helens).
> There is another volcano in plain view although inactive(Mt Baker).
> Then today i heard that Golden ears mountain within walking distance of our house is a inactive volcano also(i never
knew this).
> There was a 6.0 in Cal. the other day(south of us).
> Also heard Alaska has had some quakes recent(North of us).
> Vancouver Island(just west of us) is on the fault line(and has had recent quakes),i heard that when it sinks the HUGE
wave will flood all low areas(the river is not far from us).
> Maybe the 3 Olds under a roof is not a good idea,,,roof fall down :O

Don't worry Randy....on the bright side...you and I could wind up with beachfront property :o)

Kevin

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:32:10 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: eVil 69 H/O

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In a message dated 10/7/2004 9:27:31 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:

WTH???
It's either correct, or not
If the VIN stamp does not  match, it ain't correct.
We already see the intake is wrong. What else is  wrong or missing?
Sounds to me like they got a smogger J head 455, swapped  on some D heads 
[or, ARE they?] and called it "darn near correct"  engine... because, hey, 
it's a 455, right? Pretty much the same as the  original H/O motor.

The guy is keeping the Air Cleaner???  WUWT?
Keepng the intake apparently, prolly the correct carb...
Maybe  keeping the posi, the mirrors, the gold stripe seats...?
What's he gonna  do, sell them to the hapless buyer next year on eBay?

I don't  understand how one could sell such a car with "half" of its 
significant  OEM parts, if you have them on hand.



Hey  Chris,
 
by correct  I meant  all the right parts  i. e.    J intake     D heads    
ect...    BUT     I didn't  look at his pictures  to see the  intake was wrong,  
so    scratch my comment  on  being  "correct"
 
As far as the air cleaner  and the other goodies,   the  seller   is on this 
list with us and read the posts,  but   has not commented on him keeping the 
air cleaner,  hmmm  mums the  word?
 
 
Take care Chris
 
 
\Vinny
68  H/O     #511     not   numbers matching  with incorrect air cleaner    
not for sale 
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 12:44:16 -0400
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds6887442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hello..........maybe you remember me

Hi folks

My name is Erwin Mendoza some of you may remember me, I was on this list on 
and off in '99 and 2000. I no longer have any Oldsmobiles for 
now.....................and I no longer live in Edison, NJ but I now live in 
Bakersfield, Ca. Tonight I'm going to join a local B-O-P club that was just 
formed about a month ago.........I guess its time to try and make some new 
friends out here!



Erwin (formerly of New Jersey) Mendoza
OCA#29671
Bakersfield, Ca
No Oldsmobiles for now :(
mailto:olds6887442@hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:05:23 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hello..........maybe you remember me

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I know you
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
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Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 18:34:19 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Block stamping numbers

I was looking at the back of my 69 455 block and noticed the stamping F4
68.
Since the 69 model year is released in the fall of 68 does this explain the
stamping?
The 69 car and block are made in 1968 therefore the stamping on some parts
should say 68?
Is this correct?

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:14:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Block stamping numbers

> Since the 69 model year is released in the fall of 68 does this explain
the
> stamping?
> The 69 car and block are made in 1968 therefore the stamping on some parts
> should say 68?
> Is this correct?


Yes. Also, your tail light lenses usually are marked one year earlier than
the year of your car.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:06:55 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Block stamping numbers

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Ah, another of my hot rod's anomalies. Not only did it come with a spreadbore 
and PCV, but the tail-light lenses read "65". Milt, do yours read "63"?
 Oh yeah..anybody...what accessories are represented by the series 2KLGR on a 
65-442?

                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Origowner

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:44:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Block stamping numbers

Ron,


> Ah, another of my hot rod's anomalies. Not only did it come with a
spreadbore
> and PCV, but the tail-light lenses read "65". Milt, do yours read "63"?


It's not a hard & fast rule, but it's not good for a repair shop that isn't
sure what year car they're working on to go by the year embossed on the tail
light lenses. Thunder and the other '64 Cutlass say 64, the '65 F-85 4-door
says 65, the '65 Vista Cruiser says 64, and the '97 Pontiac Trans Sport says
95!

Didn't someone say once that GM first started to put Q-jets on very late in
the '65 model year? That could be where yours came from. Otherwise, someone
else put it on. As to the PVC valve, I don't remember when the transition
occured from the metal tube from the valve cover and the big hat type valve
cover mounted ventilator to a straight PVC.


>  Oh yeah..anybody...what accessories are represented by the series 2KLGR
on a
> 65-442?


I don't know.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:51:43 -0700
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
Subject: Back Once Again...

After a too long absence... I'm back on the list.
Hope everyone is doing well!

I found a pair of A heads last weekend that are big valved.
One odd feature on these... cast onto each end of the head is a large 2" X.
Both heads have this feature.

Has anyone ever seen this??

Thanks,
Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:04:52 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Odd ball A heads with A.I.R. Bosses

Chris,


> Milton, you're the resident '65 expert...
> Was looking at the CA car 1965 442 engine the other day
>
> One A head has factory AIR bosses, and casting number suffix "B"
> Other is the much more common sans-boss A head with no such CN suffix.
> Took pix, or course.


From the FAQ:

A  383821  80cc  2.000"  1.625"
1965 400/425 motor. Shallow spring seats. No hard exhaust seats. Unique 3/8"
stud and nut rocker mounting, using a 3-piece rocker pivot assembly - may
present difficulties in rebuilding or finding parts for the rocker
assemblies. There is also another "A" head that has adjustable rockers, and
look like Chevy heads that have screw-in studs. There is a single machined
flat surface for each pair of stud holes. There are no rockers or pivots.
Correct for 1965 442, etc. RH head will have the engine ID code stamped into
the front. ******Some heads might have a B following the casting number, eg
383821B.******


> What's you experience with regards to A heads having the A.I.R. bosses?


Actually, none. Back in Missoura, we *never* saw an Olds with the California
A.I.R. package. No Olds in Missoura had A.I.R. I'm sure it existed for
California, and California '65 Oldses with A heads may have had A.I.R.,
but...

Or, it was a late model year casting change getting ready for A.I.R.
availability for California for the '66 model year, if A.I.R. wasn't used
yet for '65, but I'm sure that '66 in California wouldn't escape A.I.R.

By what the FAQ said, the "B" suffix appears to be common on A heads. In
truth, the only set of A.I.R. application heads I've ever had are the pair
of 403 4As that just came into my hands that have A.I.R. holes. I guess they
came off of a California car, or a '77-'78 Trans Am 403 that had a manual
transmission.

I know you're talking just about the presence of the A.I.R. bosses and not
the holes, but I was trying to cover everything.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:07:11 EDT
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Subject: Re: Back Once Again...

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:11:15 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Block stamping numbers

> Yes. Also, your tail light lenses usually are marked one year earlier than
> the year of your car.

My 71 Cutlass's tail lights are market GUIDE 71. Yes, they are the correct
1971 taillights and not 72s. Similarly, I have some early G-body tail lights
marked GUIDE 81 (1981 being the first year for the new design) and 1987
taillights marked GUIDE 84 (ditto on new taillight design.)

Chris

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:19:02 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires

Pat,

> steering gear incorrectly adjusted - Is this something your average joe
can
> check? If so, is the procedure in the Service Manual?


The procedure is in the shop manual, and you can do it. Just follow the
instructions exactly.


> incorrect tire and/or wheel size or geometry - Mr. Witt (there's that Mr.
> stuff again) also cited this as a possible cause. This is probably the
> culprit. I may have done something really dumb here. The original wheels
> were 14x6 and I am now running 14x7 with 245-60r-14 tires.


First, that small increase in wheel and tire size should have no affect, if
the front end alignment was done after the larger wheels and tires were
installed. The only other item would be if the 14x7s had excessive wheel
offset. Now that could cause a problem.


> When you cut the
> wheel all the way over to the left, the pass tire rubs slightly on the
sway
> bar and the frame. Not enough to cause exterior damage to the tire. This
is
> also the tire with the sawtoothing on the outside of the tire. The
driver's
> tire doesn't do this when cutting hard right.


You shouldn't have a situation where one tire rubs and the other doesn't.
Either neither tire rubs or both tires rub, not just one. For only one tire
to rub, something in the suspension or the frame is offset somehow. All the
dimensions under there should be uniform from side to side. You could even
have a bent frame or a bent control arm. If you did, that should have been
readily apparent to the technician when the front end was aligned.


> First Question/statement: This rubbing could be causing internal damage to
> the tire causing the wear.


It shouldn't.


> Second: Why would the Pass tire rub and not the driver's "if" the geometry
> is the same.


That's just it, the goemetry isn't equal for some reason.


> Third: Do I have to go back to running narrower tires to eliminate this
> problem?


No. You need to find a front end shop who knows what to look for.


> Fourth: I have a set (never used) of 3/8" wheel spacers. Would it be safe
to
> put these on the front to eliminate the rubbing?


No. You need to fix the problem by finding the cause. No not simply fix the
symptom.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:26:47 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Where did they go?

> The only place I found the Olds FAQ was on Brycemans site
> and all the links in the FAQ for the official site of the FAQ are
> dead also.  Is this being maintined somewhere else?


These work for the Olds FAQ:
http://oldsjunction.classicoldsmobile.com/oldsfaq/
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:25:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

I looked at the website and saved it. Halotron sounds good, but what I'd
like to see is a direct comparison of effectiveness to Halon 1211 and CO2. I
know how CO2 and Halon 1211 performs.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Branson Sparks" <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your
Heart.......


> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> There is indeed a replacement for Halon. It's HALOTRON I. See this page
> for some more details: http://www.amerex-fire.com/halotron.html. It's
> essentially environmentally-safe halon, as I understand it. I'm trying
> to purchase some of these for my datacenter, so if anybody has any
> experience with performance, I'd love to hear results in any situation.
>
>
> --Branson
>
>
>
> Infinite Space Systems, Inc. wrote:
>
> >*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm)
Pro*
> >Ken,
> >
> >
> >
> >>It sure makes me think really hard about
> >>what fire detection/protection measures I'll be installing in the garage
> >>
> >>
> >I'm
> >
> >
> >>renovating at the house I grew up in.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >That touches on a pet peeve of mine. Maybe you can help answer the
question
> >with your aircraft and ANG experience.
> >
> >For me, Halon 1211 has been the best fire suppression agent ever devised.
> >I've put out 2 car fires and one fire in the combustor of a turbine
powered
> >aircraft ground support APU with Halon. The results were fantastic. I
have a
> >5.5 pound Halon fire extinguisher in each vehicle and two 10 pound units
in
> >our home. The last time I had to use one was about 10 years ago on a
> >roadside car fire. It cost an arm and a leg to refill it. Now, with Halon
> >totally banned, what does one use? The next best extinguishing agent is
CO2.
> >Is there a replacement for Halon that really works?
> >
> >Milton Schick
> >1964 442 Cutlass
> >imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:11:00 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Block stamping numbers

Milton, that's not what I've seen.  The lens carry the number of only the
first model year used if the lens was used for more than one model year, but
they do carry the number of the same model year.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:15 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Block stamping numbers
>
>
> > Since the 69 model year is released in the fall of 68 does this explain
> the
> > stamping?
> > The 69 car and block are made in 1968 therefore the stamping on
> some parts
> > should say 68?
> > Is this correct?
>
>
> Yes. Also, your tail light lenses usually are marked one year earlier than
> the year of your car.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 06:21:19 -0400
From: "CWP" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: Re: Where did they go?

I also used to maintain a copy of the FAQ on Virginia Tech's website (even
though I never attended school there... long story... don't ask) that site
is long gone... and at the time there were like half a dozen sites where the
FAQ was available so I just let it go.  David Brown (where ya' at David
still around?) of Chicago was the compiler of the FAQ and used to keep me
updated what with that website I had.  Also just an FYI  I was the one who
proofread the faq originally and got rid of some of the early glaring
inaccuracies, and run-on sentances, and actually had to take a lot of bits
and pieces of it and completely rewrite them to transfer them from a quote
from an email (where nobody was worried about language and punctuation and
spelling and etc. into a readable almost manuscript format.  Its a huge
document to do this with and obviously there was much I've missed and much I
didn't have time to really do right as I was just doing this between classes
at the time.  So I guess you guys now know who to blame if I got something
completely bass-ackwards.  But I think I helped it quite a bit from its
first incarnation (I still have a copy left of the early versions somewhere
as proof too :-)  ).  Anyways though... the newest version i have is the
same that is on 442.com.  Looks like there are only 2 mirrors left for it
now... but I'll go ahead and upload a copy here tonight and then there will
be three!  Doesn't work now but probably will here in the next hour or two.
You will be able to find another copy (all the same
information for now though) at
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/oldsfaq/oldsfaq.htm

I think I may have some printed pieces from David since 10/10/2000 some
planned updates maybe... if so I'll try and figure out some way to add
them... just completed a move though so I may not be able to find anything.
If nothing else I'll probably try to update some of the links and email
addresses.

> > The only place I found the Olds FAQ was on Brycemans site
> > and all the links in the FAQ for the official site of the FAQ are
> > dead also.  Is this being maintined somewhere else?

As far as the Toro list goes... I used to be a member up until a couple of
years ago.  At that point message traffic was slowing down some some days
there would be maybe ten whole messages but normally much less than that.
It definately appears that the website is not only not being maintained but
is also not even functioning anymore (other than the index page which I
would hazard a guess is being used merely to help maintain ownership of the
domain name) not a single link works.  I think I saw mention not too long
ago of Mike Frederick's name somewhere... and Sparky (Greg) Kalkhoff(sp?)
and father as well all of whom were on the list (and the Olds List as well,
before the split).  I don't know if the list itself still functions or not
though.  The G-body list however definately functions and suprises me some
days with 3 times the mail of this list :-)

Later Gang...
Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
hurstolds@planetc.com
NEW ADDRESS = 1979hurstolds@earthlink.net = NEW ADDRESS

1978 to 1980 Olds Web Site
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/78-80olds/

1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe (solid -someday- project)
1979 Hurst/Oldsmobile W30 (white/gold) (455 build and install progressing
slowly)
1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe (all stock just turned 205k miles!)

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Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:33:45 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Where did they go?

> As far as the Toro list goes...

- -----------------

The Toro list is still alive and well.  What is happening there is a rather
long and drawn out switch from one host to another for the Toro website.
The prior host was unsupported for a couple of years - it's a miracle it
continued to function  and the new group of volunteers haven't had time to
get everything set up like they want yet.

I, too, miss Dave Brown's version of the FAQ...

Regards,
Fred

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