
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 29 2004       Volume 01 : Number 5004



Re: 403 Throwing Belts
RE: 403 Throwing Belts
Re: 403 Throwing Belts
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Pulleys and such
Re: Removing the dash
Looking for 1979 Cutlass floor mats for Camel Tan Interior
Motor mount quality
Re: Motor mount quality
Re: Motor mount quality
Re: Motor mount quality
Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted
Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted
Re: Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:31:27 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: 403 Throwing Belts

Christian,
It sounds like a belt alignment problem to me.  Quickest route to success 
for this:  Go down to your local office supply or electronics store.  Buy a 
cheap laser pointer ($10 or so).  Lay the body of th

At 10:17 PM 8/26/2004 -0400, Christian Sagerr wrote:
>I've checked for all the pulley's to be true and they seem to be so.
>The pulley setup on the engine was off my '89 307 and I feel this may be
>part of the cause as its set up for a fairly fast belt speed.  When
>switching to the short stroke large displacement 403 the ability of the
>engine to rev will routinely blow perfectly aligned brand new belts off
>the motor.  The engine is making around 410HP and high 400's in torque.
>I am spinning the engine to around 6000 RPM.
>
>I wish it was not happening but I cant really drive the car without
>getting some sort of fix.  There are lots of smaller two groove pulley's
>out there but few 3 groove options as I'm hoping to keep P/S and A/C.
>
>Please let me know if anyone has any advice or wants to sell a
>serpentine belt kit!
>
>Christian
>
>P.S.  We have tried about 4 sets of belts, some were the fancy Goodyear
>cross cut belts, others were of the more traditional variety.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Infinite Space
>Systems, Inc.
>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:45 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
>
>Christian,
>
> > The engine can rev so quickly
> > to 6000 RPMS that it routinely throws all the belts off of it.  I am
> > hoping to keep A/C and Power Stearing.
> >
> > I need to find a solution.
>
>
>I don't understand why you're having a problem. With the correct stock
>accessory brackets and true pulleys, it should not happen. Are you
>absolutely sure all the pulleys are in alignment? Are you absolutely
>sure
>the water pump isn't too short or too long for your pulley setup and
>alignment? Thunder revs fairly quick also, and she's never thrown her
>very
>long alternator belt.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 20:35:27 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: RE: 403 Throwing Belts

Christian,
It sounds like a belt alignment problem to me.  Quickest route to success 
for this:  Go down to your local office supply or electronics store.  Buy a 
cheap laser pointer ($10 or so).  Lay the body of the laser pointer in a 
pulley groove, and aim it at the next pulley.  If the beam is in the 
groove, your alignment is close enough. (Next groove over, is a bad 
thing).  I really don't see rev speed as a factor for tossing the 
belts.  Last suggestion would be to closely examine your pulleys for 
wear.  My F*rd alternator pulley was worn bad enough to cause the tach not 
to work at idle (long story)
Good luck

M




At 10:17 PM 8/26/2004 -0400, Christian Sagerr wrote:
>I've checked for all the pulley's to be true and they seem to be so.
>The pulley setup on the engine was off my '89 307 and I feel this may be
>part of the cause as its set up for a fairly fast belt speed.  When
>switching to the short stroke large displacement 403 the ability of the
>engine to rev will routinely blow perfectly aligned brand new belts off
>the motor.  The engine is making around 410HP and high 400's in torque.
>I am spinning the engine to around 6000 RPM.
>
>I wish it was not happening but I cant really drive the car without
>getting some sort of fix.  There are lots of smaller two groove pulley's
>out there but few 3 groove options as I'm hoping to keep P/S and A/C.
>
>Please let me know if anyone has any advice or wants to sell a
>serpentine belt kit!
>
>Christian
>
>P.S.  We have tried about 4 sets of belts, some were the fancy Goodyear
>cross cut belts, others were of the more traditional variety.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Infinite Space
>Systems, Inc.
>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:45 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
>
>Christian,
>
> > The engine can rev so quickly
> > to 6000 RPMS that it routinely throws all the belts off of it.  I am
> > hoping to keep A/C and Power Stearing.
> >
> > I need to find a solution.
>
>
>I don't understand why you're having a problem. With the correct stock
>accessory brackets and true pulleys, it should not happen. Are you
>absolutely sure all the pulleys are in alignment? Are you absolutely
>sure
>the water pump isn't too short or too long for your pulley setup and
>alignment? Thunder revs fairly quick also, and she's never thrown her
>very
>long alternator belt.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com
Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 21:45:58 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: 403 Throwing Belts

Milt;

      I have had some pretty good success using a straight edge, i.e, a
simple ridged carpenters level to check pulley alignment, or even a long
crow bar. Sounds simple stupid I know, but it has also helped me find warp
spots. Just an idea.  Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: 403 Throwing Belts


> Christian,
>
> > I believe the crank pulley is of the larger variety, 7 1/8"?
>
>
> That would make sense, because a factory AC system should use a 7 1/4"
> pulley on the crank.
>
>
> > I have had a
> > really hard time trying to find a smaller one with 3 grooves.
>
>
> For proper coolant flow velocity with AC and the larger AC radiator, the
> crank pulley should be 7 1/4". A 6 1/4" crank pulley with 3 grooves might
be
> very scarce, since 6 1/4" isn't used for an AC crank pulley.
>
>
> > I know
> > the W30's had a smaller, maybe much smaller, pulley but did they have 3
> > grooves?
>
>
> Not that I know of. There's still only 2 diameters used, 6 1/4" and 7
1/4",
> unless someone else has found something else out there in Olds used parts
> land. The 6 1/4" W30 crank pulley is 2 groove and the 6 1/4" W30 water
pump
> pulley is single groove.
>
>
> > Maybe just changing the crank pulley would slow the belts down
> > enough to keep them on the front of the motor.  Does anyone have such a
> > thing around?  An old pulley would certainly be far more economical than
> > the whole serpentine kit.
>
>
> I do have the 7 1/4" 4-groove AC crank pulley and the 6 1/4" 4-groove
water
> pump pulley from a '77 Toronado 403, if you wanted to try those.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>

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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 22:38:12 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Remember, it was Cadillac running the EFI development.  
This started with their 500 big block.  Cad just used Olds 
small blocks, since they didn't have one, and added Cad 
injection at their place.  Bruce Roe

27 Aug 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> OLDS WAS RUNNING EFI ENGINES, BEFORE CHEVY. 
> ALL IT WOULD OF TAKEN WAS SOME R&D AND OLDS 
> COULD OF BEEN THE DOMINATE ENGINE. 

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 02:00:29 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

IT WAS A JOINT EFFORT ON THE BEHALF OF BOTH DIVISIONS.
BUT CHEVY PROVED TO BE FLAT OUT CHEAPER IN THE END AND THE GM DESIRED ENGINE.
RON
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor


> Remember, it was Cadillac running the EFI development.  
> This started with their 500 big block.  Cad just used Olds 
> small blocks, since they didn't have one, and added Cad 
> injection at their place.  Bruce Roe
> 
> 27 Aug 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> > OLDS WAS RUNNING EFI ENGINES, BEFORE CHEVY. 
> > ALL IT WOULD OF TAKEN WAS SOME R&D AND OLDS 
> > COULD OF BEEN THE DOMINATE ENGINE. 
> 

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 06:05:11 -0400
From: jp <limitedattention@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Pulleys and such

Mark... you are "The Man"

Very Helpful.... thanks!!!!!

Oddly my '72 Assembly Manual doesn't have this page.

jp


>From the '68 Assembly manual:
>
>Code     PN            Description                P.D.       O.D. 
>Grooves      Car
>KA     401462         Fan & Water pump     6.98       7.075 
>2           Std (W30)

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 11:26:25 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Removing the dash

I went there too.  I saw two 83 H/O's   With 40,000 cars and 1.8 million
spectataors, its is very hard to see everything.  I took me all day to make
one complete loop.  Had a great time and was the best Cruise I have been
too.  I have gone all 10 years.
Cant wait for next year.  Special thanks to the Motor City Rockets and their
hospitallity.  They had 51 parking sposts at the Wendy's at 12 1/2 mile
road.
regards WMACHINES(Mark Prince)
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <SSpuehler@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 10:28 PM
Subject: Removing the dash


> Well we went to Woodward Dream Cruise and had a blast looking at all the
> cars, but I didn't see any other 83 Hurst/Olds.  The official Dream Cruise
photo
> book made up for it though featuring a 83 Hurst/Olds on page 51.  A real
nice
> car except for the rims weren't stock.
>
> We almost didn't make it.  After my thermostat stuck I went to replace it
> Friday afternoon and snapped off a bolt in the intake.  Not having a screw
> extracter myself and not wanting to really screw things up beyond repair I
took it
> into a local garage.  They had it done at about noon on Saterday and we
started
> out late that same day.
>
> I tried to go to the Wendy's on Woodward Ave for a frosty but I couldn't
even
> use the drive through.
>
> On a different note I'd like to know how to go about removing the dash
from
> my car.  I'm not really mechanically incllned and will probably have a
friend
> help me also.  Any tips on how to take it out would be appreciated.
>
> Steve Spuehler
> 83 Hurst/Olds
> 96 Dodge Ram Indy Sport
>

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 08:47:39 -0700
From: "Jeff and Sherie Stanish" <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Looking for 1979 Cutlass floor mats for Camel Tan Interior

If any one knows of any for sale, could you please E mail or call me.

Thanks,

Jeff
(408)370-9142

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 16:58:15 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Motor mount quality

Picked up some motor mounts from Car Quest to put the 455 in the 69 Cutlass
Convertible. One mount was made in India the other in Korea. It's pretty bad
when you can look at a mount and notice the difference in the thickness of
the metal. The Korean mount was the same thickness as the original but the
metal on the made in India mount was a little better then half as thick.
I guess quality is no longer in the vocabulary of  this company as long as
they can keep the guys at the top rich.
The guys at Car Quest said the mounts are all warranted but who wants the
hassle to replace them. I remember a thread a while back where a list
members off shore mounts lasted about 2 weeks before they failed.
Car Quest is trying to find another made in Korea mount but so far all 3
local stores only have made in India mounts.
Any list members have similar experiences with the quality of off shore
parts?

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:55:00 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Motor mount quality

did you see if sealed power has them or trw
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 4:58 PM
Subject: Motor mount quality


> Picked up some motor mounts from Car Quest to put the 455 in the 69 Cutlass
> Convertible. One mount was made in India the other in Korea. It's pretty bad
> when you can look at a mount and notice the difference in the thickness of
> the metal. The Korean mount was the same thickness as the original but the
> metal on the made in India mount was a little better then half as thick.
> I guess quality is no longer in the vocabulary of  this company as long as
> they can keep the guys at the top rich.
> The guys at Car Quest said the mounts are all warranted but who wants the
> hassle to replace them. I remember a thread a while back where a list
> members off shore mounts lasted about 2 weeks before they failed.
> Car Quest is trying to find another made in Korea mount but so far all 3
> local stores only have made in India mounts.
> Any list members have similar experiences with the quality of off shore
> parts?
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 14:58:10 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Motor mount quality

> I guess quality is no longer in the vocabulary of  this company as long as
> they can keep the guys at the top rich.

That's it exactly for any public corporation.....However, in my opinion if you own stock, you automatically wave your
right to complain as short term gain is what the entire system of publicly owned companies is based on from the sales
floor to the share holder.

It's a shame really.

Kevin

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:47:10 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Motor mount quality

did you see if sealed power has them or trw
ron

No, but these days it doesn't matter who you buy car parts from because they
are probably out sourced over seas where the labour is cheaper. I don't have
a problem buying non North American made parts as long as they apply the
same quality control
as we construct to. Company's have the same right as we do to buy from whom
ever they choose. What bothers me is company's like Car Quest don't care if
the part is inferior as long as they don't get too many returns when parts
fail. But at $12.50 each per mount I guess you get what you pay for. The
mounts are probably strong enough for Chevy's but the torque produced buy a
69 Olds 455 is just a little bit more.
One interesting point the guy at Car Quest told me. If the parts are made
here (Canada) they don't have to be labelled as to the source. If they are
made some where else they have to label the country of origin.

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:33:02 -0700
From: "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net>
Subject: Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted

Hello, I am in need of the electronic glow plug controller for my 1981
Cutlass. Any one have a source out there for these long obsolete Olds parts?

How about a parts manual for this year since my local Olds dealer wishes I
would just go away?

Thanks, David

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:16:17 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted

I've had a couple 81 Cutlass diesels.  But a 403 currently 
is in there.  Its been a long time, I don't think I have any 
diesel parts left.  

Bruce Roe

28 Aug 2004  "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net> writes:
> Hello, I am in need of the electronic glow plug controller for 
> my 1981 Cutlass. Any one have a source out there for these 
> long obsolete Olds parts?
> 
> How about a parts manual for this year since my local Olds dealer 
> wishes I would just go away?
> 
> Thanks, David

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Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 22:29:12 -0700
From: "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted

Bruce,

If you do run across any diesel parts, I am always looking! Thank you, David

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 8:16 PM
Subject: Olds Cutlass diesel parts wanted


> I've had a couple 81 Cutlass diesels.  But a 403 currently
> is in there.  Its been a long time, I don't think I have any
> diesel parts left.
>
> Bruce Roe
>
> 28 Aug 2004  "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net> writes:
> > Hello, I am in need of the electronic glow plug controller for
> > my 1981 Cutlass. Any one have a source out there for these
> > long obsolete Olds parts?
> >
> > How about a parts manual for this year since my local Olds dealer
> > wishes I would just go away?
> >
> > Thanks, David
>

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