
oldsmobile-digest    Saturday, September 25 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5032



Re: Pleated '65 seats
W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
RE: Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
Re: Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
Re: Better deal than GM parts direct
Diagnostics-(long winded)
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
RE: Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
Re: Diagnostics-(long winded)
Re: Window Sticker info
Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds
1960 Toronado trim for sale
Re: 1960 Toronado trim for sale

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:47:28 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Pleated '65 seats

Paul,

Speaking for myself, I was inaccurate in my statement in saying vertical pleats
were an OPTION.   I should have said there was another, and in my opinion better
looking factory interior/seat pattern made for the '65 F85/Cutlass.

I have a convertible with the vertical pleats.  It has pearl seats, black
carpet, and white vinyl/black carpet door panels, a really sharp combination.

If one were to redo an interior, I believe the vertical pleated seat coverings
would fit over the "biscuit" seat cores.  The door panels change may not be tas
easy considering the different door panel constructions available.Originality
aside, I feel The vertical pleats would be a improvement over a standard
interior.

Now, if I could just get the darn interior back in my car...

Steve K.



Someone mentioned here the other day about their '65 (Cutlass? F-85?) having the
"optional" vertically pleated seat pattern.  Seem to recall someone else
seconding that motion.  I no longer have those posts.  Are you guys about
that....

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:54:38 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Hi all,
Recent topics about those manifolds made me think, that maybe I go with this
solution rather than struggle with headers in my tight 81CS engine bay. Are
those easy/cheap to find? What would the difference between stock - W/Z -
small primaries   headers, in the power/torque output of a mild 468ci?
Anybody sells them?
rgds and TIA
Matt Raniewicz
81CS 468ci

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:03:17 -0400
From: "Daniel Burk" <dan@ws6transam.org>
Subject: RE: Better deal than GM parts direct

Zito wrote:

>There is  gent by the name of Dal Slabaugh who works for a GM dealer in OH
>who sells parts for roughly the same prices as parts direct but is much
>cheaper on the S&H.   Not a big deal on large orders but significant
savings
>when you just need 1 or 2 tiny parts.  This link will get you in contact
>with him, my link to the website for his dealership is on my other HDD.
>http://www.9c1.com/parts/dal.htm

I've been buying from Dal Slabaugh for over six years now. He knows his
stuff.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:07:52 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Original W/Z manifolds in good condition are out there, but not cheap.  I see
them on eBay once in awhile, more often one side manifold at a time.  I believe
The Parts Place offer reproductions, going for $400-$500.oo a set.  A used set
might get up to that price for a good example, but would probably be less.

Steve



Hi all,
Recent topics about those manifolds made me think, that maybe I go with this
solution rather than struggle with headers in my tight 81CS engine bay. Are
those easy/cheap to find? What would the difference between stock - W/Z -
small primaries   headers, in the power/torque output of a mild 468ci?
Anybody sells them?
rgds and TIA
Matt Raniewicz
81CS 468ci

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 11:18:41 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Better deal than GM parts direct

> >There is  gent by the name of Dal Slabaugh who works for a GM dealer in
OH
> >who sells parts for roughly the same prices as parts direct but is much
> >cheaper on the S&H.

Be careful with ordering from him. I ordered a harmonic balancer from him
for my 455 rebuild, it took about a MONTH to get in. By that time I had
grown tired of waiting and reused my old balancer - the engine was already
together. After driving down there twice to try to catch someone who knew
what they were talking about, I was told that it was non-returnable and that
I was stuck with an $80 balancer. Needless to say, I was NOT happy. Thus, I
took my business to a closer dealer who, after the fact, I found out gives
me a better discount than Dal since he's an Olds guy as well. Go figure.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:41:29 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Whaw! That is BIG money!  But...
Are they as good as headers for everyday use? Are they so much better that
stock iron manifolds?
thanks and best regards
MAtt
> Original W/Z manifolds in good condition are out there, but not cheap.  I
see
> them on eBay once in awhile, more often one side manifold at a time.  I
believe
> The Parts Place offer reproductions, going for $400-$500.oo a set.  A used
set
> might get up to that price for a good example, but would probably be less.
Steve
===
> Recent topics about those manifolds made me think, that maybe I go with
this
> solution rather than struggle with headers in my tight 81CS engine bay.
Are
> those easy/cheap to find? What would the difference between stock - W/Z -
> small primaries   headers, in the power/torque output of a mild 468ci?
> Anybody sells them?
> rgds and TIA
> Matt Raniewicz
> 81CS 468ci
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:42:47 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Better deal than GM parts direct

Have you still this balancer? :-))???
Matt
> I was stuck with an $80 balancer. Needless to say, I was NOT happy. Thus,
I
> took my business to a closer dealer who, after the fact, I found out gives
> me a better discount than Dal since he's an Olds guy as well. Go figure.
>
> Chris
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 12:08:15 -0500
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: Diagnostics-(long winded)

Finally had my "Technical Difficulties" taken care of and have list access
once again. I have two quick diagnostic questions.
The car is a 69 442 400/400
First - After letting the car sit for a few days, I had a puddle about the
size of your head under the car. The weep hole on the water pump was
leaking. After driving it, it stopped and hasn't leaked since (couple of
weeks). I already have a new water pump and I will replace it, but was just
wondering what the cause might have been for the leak.
Second - I rebuilt my entire front end (sans springs) about three months
ago. Had it aligned and the tires balanced. My front right tire is beginning
to show a sawtooth pattern on the outer edge tread blocks. Ideas on what is
this a symptom of? The car tracks fine down the road.

Last - To the gent who was looking for a set of 14 x 6's (Chris S?). I
haven't gotten to respond to you due to lack of list and email access.
Did you ever get your wheels? Sorry about the lack of follow up.


Thanks,

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690



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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 13:19:57 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Matt,

They are stock GM iron manifolds, They are just exceptionally free flowing.  The
Parts Place has them on this web site:

http://www.thepartsplaceinc.com/search.aspx

 $399.00 a pair for reproduction.  They are expensive.  Should long outlast a
set of headers.

Couldn't find any on a quick eBay search.

Someone on the list might have some... Calling Chris Witt...

Steve K.




Whaw! That is BIG money!  But...
Are they as good as headers for everyday use? Are they so much better that
stock iron manifolds?
thanks and best regards....

MAtt

> Original W/Z manifolds in good condition are out there, but not cheap...

...> Anybody sells them?
> rgds and TIA
> Matt Raniewicz
> 81CS 468ci
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 10:55:32 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Better deal than GM parts direct

Why don't you put on the replacement balancer?  Not too 
difficult a job with the right tools; I have done a few.

Bruce (uses FluiDampers) Roe

24 Sep 2004  "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net> writes:

> I was stuck with an $80 balancer.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:05:10 EDT
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Better deal than GM parts direct

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Heck, just consider it an investment. It will be worth $160 in a few months, 
the way parts prices are going

:>)

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 16:36:29 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Better deal than GM parts direct

The rotating assembly was fully balanced with the old balancer. I am of the
school of thought that not all balancers are created equally, therefore, I
kept it off the engine and used the old balancer. I sold it to my friend for
$50, at any rate.

Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: Better deal than GM parts direct


> Why don't you put on the replacement balancer?  Not too
> difficult a job with the right tools; I have done a few.
>
> Bruce (uses FluiDampers) Roe
>
> 24 Sep 2004  "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net> writes:
>
> > I was stuck with an $80 balancer.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 15:43:59 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Matt,
There is also some room in those W-Z's to hog 'em out a bit for more 
flow.  They won't flow as well as a good set of headers, but you can get 
another 1/4 inch in there.  But, they'll last forever.

M

At 12:41 PM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:

>Whaw! That is BIG money!  But...
>Are they as good as headers for everyday use? Are they so much better that
>stock iron manifolds?
>thanks and best regards
>MAtt

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:58:29 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Thanks Mark, now, could someone share the experience abou how much are they
worth in terms of  lbs or HP?
Would it be worth while ?
rgds
Matt

> Matt,
> There is also some room in those W-Z's to hog 'em out a bit for more
> flow.  They won't flow as well as a good set of headers, but you can get
> another 1/4 inch in there.  But, they'll last forever.
>
> M
>
> At 12:41 PM 9/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Whaw! That is BIG money!  But...
> >Are they as good as headers for everyday use? Are they so much better
that
> >stock iron manifolds?
> >thanks and best regards
> >MAtt
>
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
>
>

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 21:43:36 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Better deal than GM parts direct

If you wanted to cancel the order you should have called or emailed. Within
30 days most places will ship if you haven't cancelled. For my part I
contact the customer if it has been more than 30 days but I can't say that
everybody is beholden to do that. The "non-returnable" issue is another
story, but I can say that I've felt the pain many times of somebody
returning something that I was never able to sell to anybody else, and
therefore *I* was stuck with a part that I never personally wanted either
and yet can't sell. I'm not defending Dal but there is another side to the
dynamic. Yes you were "stuck" with a part but a phone call could have
prevented that. Of course you'd prefer that Dal be stuck with the part that
you asked for and he ordered for you and sent to you as soon as it came in.
If the people you buy from can't make a living, they go out of business. Of
course the customer is always right, right?

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Chris Carson
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 11:19 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Better deal than GM parts direct

> >There is  gent by the name of Dal Slabaugh who works for a GM dealer in
OH
> >who sells parts for roughly the same prices as parts direct but is much
> >cheaper on the S&H.

Be careful with ordering from him. I ordered a harmonic balancer from him
for my 455 rebuild, it took about a MONTH to get in. By that time I had
grown tired of waiting and reused my old balancer - the engine was already
together. After driving down there twice to try to catch someone who knew
what they were talking about, I was told that it was non-returnable and that
I was stuck with an $80 balancer. Needless to say, I was NOT happy. Thus, I
took my business to a closer dealer who, after the fact, I found out gives
me a better discount than Dal since he's an Olds guy as well. Go figure.

Chris

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 00:17:32 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Coming into this late, but W/Zs are, for your application and in my
opinion, definitely the way to go.  Have read too much here over the course
of several years describing intracable difficulties w/ header placement re:
big blocks in '80s B- and G-bodys to warrant any other conclsion.  Price is
ridiculous, you get what you pay for.

That's the reason I chose W/Zs for my '84 Delta (now '77 Delta, same
parameters) and never thought twice about it until you just brought it up.

At 10:54 AM 09/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>Recent topics about those manifolds made me think, that maybe I go with this
>solution rather than struggle with headers in my tight 81CS engine bay. Are
>those easy/cheap to find? What would the difference between stock - W/Z -
>small primaries   headers, in the power/torque output of a mild 468ci?
>Anybody sells them?
>rgds and TIA
>Matt Raniewicz
>81CS 468ci
> 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:42:02 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Diagnostics-(long winded)

Pat,

> First - After letting the car sit for a few days, I had a puddle about the
> size of your head under the car. The weep hole on the water pump was
> leaking. After driving it, it stopped and hasn't leaked since (couple of
> weeks).


If the car sat long enough and the seal became dry enough to shrink a little
without deteriorating, in could seep coolant. Once the car ran again and
fully warmed the coolant and relubed the seal, the seal returned to normal
size and did its job.


> I already have a new water pump and I will replace it, but was just
> wondering what the cause might have been for the leak.


I'm not sure its critical, but its your call.


> Second - I rebuilt my entire front end (sans springs) about three months
> ago. Had it aligned and the tires balanced. My front right tire is
beginning
> to show a sawtooth pattern on the outer edge tread blocks.


Scuffed???


> Ideas on what is
> this a symptom of?


1) Tires improperly inflated.
2) Wheels or tires out-of-true to track, not out-of-round.
3) Ball joints worn, but you replaced all of those, correct?
4) Toe-in incorrect, which will not show up on tracking.
5) Caster not set the same on both sides.
6) Incorrect toe-out on turns.
7) Steering gear incorrectly adjusted.
8) Eccentric or bulged tires.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 05:23:15 -0400
From: "CWP" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: Re: Window Sticker info

A scan of the window sticker from my '79 Supreme that I used to own is still
on the net... here it is:
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/pictures/alicewinstick.jpg

Hope that helps.

Later...
Clayton Pierce...

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:18:22 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: W/Z dual exhaust manifolds

Hello
Just my .02 on ex mans,build your own.
http://www.headersbyed.com/
Good luck!
Randy H.

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:24:21 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1960 Toronado trim for sale

man, I thought I had some rare parts

this says it's for the 1960 Toronado

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34204&item=2490945265&rd=1

:-)

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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 1960 Toronado trim for sale

Maybe it's a VERY early prototype part ;-)

- --- Christopher Witt <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> man, I thought I had some rare parts
> 
> this says it's for the 1960 Toronado
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34204&item=2490945265&rd=1
> 
> :-)
> 
>
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