
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 20 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5065



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Re: Value - 1956 Olds Holiday Super 88
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museum visit
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:16:54 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Here in Washington, the only time you have to "Prove" you have insurance is
when you get stopped, and let me tell you, YOU better have it. The fine now
is around 350$ , and they are thinking of raising it. As for what they do in
the North Eastern U.S. of A., seems rather redundant, and as Milt said, just
another way of calling a fine a tax. It has been proven over and over again,
those who want to drive without what the law requires will. Just like those
who think that they can drive drunk with no problem will. Heck, over here
the DUI problem is so bad that even when the hard cores get their cars taken
away, all they need is another 250$ for some POS, and they are back on the
road again,. no law except incarceration stops them.
About liability Ins., every time you cancel it and re-up you go right to the
back of the line again as far a your driving record is concerned, and you
have to "prove" all over again that you are an acceptable risk with that
vehicle. I think every state is the same where that is concerned. Your
better off seeing if you can get a "limited mileage" coverage policy , and
dumping your collision and comp. Chances are that if you get in a wreck, and
your car is over 20 years old, and it is NOT a 442, they are going to total
it anyway. This is why I have an "antique auto" rider with a 2000 mile limit
that just covers medical and liability, and it costs me 90$ per year. And I
never put on 2000 miles, ever; I have been thinking of lowering it, but we
will see.

The reason that liability goes up with each additional vehicle is because of
the Insurance risk "crap shoot" index. Every vehicle is rated differently.
My 98 is going to be less than a 442,  but more than a Omega, because it
carries the potential of carrying more people, and substantially causing
more damage if it hits another small car. This is why insurance for
Suburbans and like vehicles is so spendy. And the more cars you have, the
more difficult the mathematical mix. My Ins. Co offers a multi. vehicle
discount, and if I go over a magical number, I could qualify for a fleet
discount, because I have a business.It is all a racket, which is why I quit
the Insurance industry.........., I can live with me better.
Rick Messenger
76 98
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> At Tuesday, 19 October 2004, you wrote:
>
> >To those of you living in the fascist eastern sates, what do
> >you do about insurance in the winter?  When I put my car
> >away for the winter, I call my insurance co and have them
> >suspend everything but comprehensive/theft.
>
> I don't know whether Geico will allow "suspended" insurance like
> that but it's an idea for me.....
>
> But they will and HAVE raised my rates when I stopped coverage on
> one car for awhile then renewed it again later after it became roadworthy
> once again.
>
> >Of course, I also don't understand why my liability insurance
> >goes up with additional cars.  I can only *drive* one at a time,
> >same amount of driving time whether I have 1 or 100 cars...
>
> Sounds like a racket to me. Only time they should be charging is
> for stuff like comprehensive and collision. Maybe they're figuring
> that even though the car sits in yer driveway not being driven, they'll
> still be liable for a claim if, for example, the parking pawl in
> the tranny breaks while yer at work and it rolls outta the driveway
> and hits someone passing by  ;o\
>
> That was one of the scenarios that worried my dad so many years ago
> with my unregistered/uninsured vehicles sitting in our driveway:
> that one the cars would roll down the driveway and wind up inside
> the naybore's house across the street, possibly as a result of an
> earthquake dislodging tire blocks  ;o(((((((
>
> SteveH
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:28:53 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> Listmembers,
>
> I'll chime in on this.  It is absurd to require you to have liability
> insurance on more vehicles than you have licensed drivers in the
household.  For
> instance, there's only two drivers in the Snyder household but four
licensed
> vehicles (one Starfire, one RX-7 and two trucks) -- in Kansas you have to
show the
> actual insurance card before you get a tag.  In 1981 I was temporarily
> stationed in Memphis, Tennessee and bought insurance there when my Kansas
policy
> expired -- they let you pay by the month (which fit a PFC's monthly budget
better)
> in Tennessee where Kansas didn't.  Two months after doing this, I got a
call
> from my mother saying the Highway Patrol came to the house and wanted the
> plate off of the car!  After I called them with the insurance policy
number and
> agent's number everything was OK.
>
> On a slightly related note, you pay your personal property taxes on a
vehicle
> when you tag it every year, so they are assured of getting their money.
> Recently the furor here has been that the state began collecting personal
property
> and sales taxes on used vehicles based on their own calculated data and
not
> on the actual selling price (between private individuals only) in order to
> crack down on people saying they paid much less than they actually did.
Problem
> is they don't take into account things like high mileage or damage -- it's
a
> really big issue here.
>
They will never do that because it would also get you as well. The Ins.Co.
could then add a "gender" rate along with an age bracket scale, and then
screw you right to the wall. And they still would want to know how many
registered vehicals you have, even if liability wasn't directly tied to it.
Then they could begin a mileage per year, per. car fee. O yes........, don't
think for one minute that they wouldn't find a way to get you.
Rick




> Getting back to the insurance thing, why not tie liability insurance to
your
> driver's license?  After all, _you're_ the "liable" party, not the
vehicle.
> Here's why -- insurance companies would really take it in the shorts.
With us,
> that'd be a fifty per cent decrease in premiums paid!  They said here in
> Kansas that they were looking into giving illegal immigrants the ability
to get
> driver's licenses, saying that they'd "be more responsible and get
insurance" -- 
> what a crock!  People here legally drive without a license, people here
> legally with licenses don't get insurance.  And who gets fleeced when they
have an
> accident?  All the legally-driving, insurance-paying people do (can you
tell
> this is a pet peeve of mine???)
>
> Anyway, I'll sign this off and read what others have to say about this.
>
> Take Care,
> SrA Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:45:12 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

I'm saving these Milt........., so very true!
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> > Major twist of the last 10-20 years is that the fines are counted on as
a
> > source of revenue. Just another tax.
>
> Jack is 1000% perfectly correct. It's all a tax gimmick, hidden away from
> the public as a safety or law enforcement issue.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
> "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is
> the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
> criminals, one 'makes' them. One declares so many things to be a crime
that
> it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a
> nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just
> pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor
> objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then
you
> cash in on the guilt."
>         -- Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED
>
> "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the
> argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
>         --William Pitt (1783)
>
> "I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like
a
> man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."
>         --Winston Churchill
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:06:45 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

At 04:16 PM 10/19/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>About liability Ins., every time you cancel it and re-up you go 
>right to the back of the line again as far a your driving record 
>is concerned, and you have to "prove" all over again that you are 
>an acceptable risk with that vehicle. I think every state is the 
>same where that is concerned.

Never heard of that. Every state I've moved to, I've had to change
insurance carriers and they have ALL gone by my driving record wherever I
lived or had lived. That's very easy nowadays in particular since every
state shares records. For example, we've lived in Conn for just over 4
years and had to switch carriers as the one we had in Mass doesn't operate
in Conn (it wasn't Progressive, as I thought; can't recall the name). Yet,
my rates are based on "good driver over 6 years" meaning they went back
into the last two years that we lived in Mass.

Speaking of Mass (and Virginia, especially): they're DEATH on emissions and
inspection stickers. Mass puts them on the driver's corner of the
windshield but Virginia puts them right in the middle of the windshield at
the bottom. Virginia also has a property tax sticker for each county or
municipality which goes right next to the inspection sticker in the center
of the windshield. Cops have NO TROUBLE seeing whether you've got the
correct-colored stickers as they drive toward you. I can't rember whether
Virginia fined you for expired stickers but Mass didn't; it was just a real
hassle having to go get the car inspected and clear it up with the courts.
Mass also considers inspection-sticker violations as a "moving violation"
which goes on yer driving record, although I don't think the insurance
companies that operate in Mass count them as such.

California used to be the easiest place I've lived in to get by without
emissions/inspection stickers. When I lived there, you only got an
emissions decal. And if you went to the DMV, you could get a bright red
90-day "Emergency Operating Permit" decal that would gradually fade in the
sunlight to let cops know it'd expired  ;o\  But you could renew the thing;
I never did, ever, get an emissions sticker, only Emergency Operating
Permits  ;o)  It may have cost some $6-$12, I forget.

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 21:29:31 -0400
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Value - 1956 Olds Holiday Super 88

I recently sold my '53 88 Deluxe 2 door sedan in worse shape for $4,500 US.

See this link



http://www.nadaguides.com/Values/ValueTrimXRef.asp?UserID=54083FB65639B&DID=38279&wSec=2&wPg=1271&CategoryId=7&MakeId=1134&Year=1956&ColorId=

John

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:41:34 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:50:34 -0500 
> From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..
>
> Man, you Yankees sure put up with a lot of crap.
> That kinda BS legislation would be shot down in an instant here in TX 
> (I hope!)

You must not remember what went on in Texas when mandatory liability insurance 
was going into effect in the '90s. There was a push for mandatory insurance for 
ALL licensed drivers, even if they didn't own a vehicle! My agent said they had 
non-owners policies "in the event someone drove a borrowed vehicle". Now how 
ridiculous is that. Or should I say "how greedy is that". Why the heck would a 
person without a vehicle, who had a license for ID purposes only, pay for a policy?

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:25:34 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> At 04:16 PM 10/19/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >About liability Ins., every time you cancel it and re-up you go
> >right to the back of the line again as far a your driving record
> >is concerned, and you have to "prove" all over again that you are
> >an acceptable risk with that vehicle. I think every state is the
> >same where that is concerned.
>
Underwriting is based on many variables, your driving record, your vehical,
your sex, your age, your payment history, weathor or not you pick your nose
with your index finger, or are a thumb roller. They want to know what your
occupation is; if cleargy or cop or teacher = great rates; if yur a beer
swillin hooker chasin construction worker or sky diver or demolitions expert
or an airline pilot, then your rates aren't going to be quite so good. It is
also based upon what the other "folks" are doing in your age group as well.
And how your vehical holds up in an accident, and what it does to the other
vehical. The reason I said what I did, is because with my Insurance, I have
"proven" myself a competent risk with what I am driving at the time;
liability and medical are where most of the expence is. When I cancel that
"risk" then it becomes an unknown..................,computers don't like
that. So when you re-up, you start over again. Some companys are better than
others. With my company, I have been a good little boy clear across the
board, and my insurance rates  will actually decrease, and have done so.But
the moment I cancel a vehical for the winter, and then re-up, the clock is
re-set, and I have to start making a new "history" all over again. It is a
convoluted afair, that isn't always fair.
Rick Messenger        P.s Washington is starting to get sticky over
emissions. Thankfull my 76 98 does not have to be tested any more.



> Never heard of that. Every state I've moved to, I've had to change
> insurance carriers and they have ALL gone by my driving record wherever I
> lived or had lived. That's very easy nowadays in particular since every
> state shares records. For example, we've lived in Conn for just over 4
> years and had to switch carriers as the one we had in Mass doesn't operate
> in Conn (it wasn't Progressive, as I thought; can't recall the name). Yet,
> my rates are based on "good driver over 6 years" meaning they went back
> into the last two years that we lived in Mass.
>
> Speaking of Mass (and Virginia, especially): they're DEATH on emissions
and
> inspection stickers. Mass puts them on the driver's corner of the
> windshield but Virginia puts them right in the middle of the windshield at
> the bottom. Virginia also has a property tax sticker for each county or
> municipality which goes right next to the inspection sticker in the center
> of the windshield. Cops have NO TROUBLE seeing whether you've got the
> correct-colored stickers as they drive toward you. I can't rember whether
> Virginia fined you for expired stickers but Mass didn't; it was just a
real
> hassle having to go get the car inspected and clear it up with the courts.
> Mass also considers inspection-sticker violations as a "moving violation"
> which goes on yer driving record, although I don't think the insurance
> companies that operate in Mass count them as such.
>
> California used to be the easiest place I've lived in to get by without
> emissions/inspection stickers. When I lived there, you only got an
> emissions decal. And if you went to the DMV, you could get a bright red
> 90-day "Emergency Operating Permit" decal that would gradually fade in the
> sunlight to let cops know it'd expired  ;o\  But you could renew the
thing;
> I never did, ever, get an emissions sticker, only Emergency Operating
> Permits  ;o)  It may have cost some $6-$12, I forget.
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:20:27 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: museum visit

All wheel drive and post war front drivers jack the 
engine up and fold the drive train under it.  Bruce Roe

19 Oct 2004  JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:

> In a message dated 10/18/2004, bcroe@juno.com writes:

> With the  differential in front, I wonder how the trans could 
> ever be in the  rear?  

> I was wondering where they put the trans in an all 
> wheel drive vehicle.
 
> Bruce
> 75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
> 72 Cutlass Conv.
> 56 190 SL Conv.
> 92  Eldo

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:11:04 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

> It has been proven over and over again,
> those who want to drive without what the law requires will. Just like
those
> who think that they can drive drunk with no problem will. Heck, over here
> the DUI problem is so bad that even when the hard cores get their cars
taken
> away, all they need is another 250$ for some POS, and they are back on the
> road again,. no law except incarceration stops them.


Okay, since we're using up bandwidth and jawboning about stupid government
and its failure to serve the public, I'll throw this one at you.

It even has Olds content, for Glen loved to ride in Thunder Lizard. I also
taught him to be a crack shot, just like my parents and Uncle Russ did with
me.

You see, there are more 9/11s than one might know.

1730, 11 September 1994, Murphys, CA. - My 11 year old grandson, Glen
William Brascugli McCormick Hirsch, was wearing his Boy scout uniform and
riding his bike to his monthly Boy Scout meeting. He was 4 feet outside the
right of the shoulder of the roadway, plenty of distance away from normal
traffic. He knew how to be safe.

An individual was cruising down the road in a Ford Bronco, with 3 cars
trailing him. They would be the primary witnesses. The individual had a DUI
conviction 8 years prior, but we all know he just hadn't been caught since
then. People who drink and drive never stop their drinking and driving. He
was drinking a mixture of 50% Sprite and 50% Tequila from a mason jar. His
previously smoked MJ joint butts were rolling around under his front seat.

He saw Glen riding his bike. He fixated on Glen. He drove toward Glen. He
drove through Glen at 45 MPH. Glen was killed.

He recoiled reacted and lost control and crashed in the median. An off-duty
Murphy's cop just happened to be at the convenience store on the other side
of the road. The cop took the driver into custody and secured the mason jar
for the California Highway Patrol.

When this happened, I was on my way to Las Vegas and the 1994 Soldier of
Fortune Convention. When I got to the hotel, the staff told me to call home,
instantly. Mary told me what happened. She and Glen's stepdad's parents were
immediately flying to Murphys. I was to stay in Vegas until Sunday morning
and then fly to Murphys.

After I talked to Mary, I called the Tucson Police Department. It was then
2215. I told the desk Sargent that I needed to contact my close friend,
Marty Fuentes, the best damn traffic detective in the American Southwest.
Marty is the man responsible for getting the penalty for death by DUI raised
to Second Degree Homicide in Arizona. Marty called me at the hotel 15
minutes later.

Marty contacted CHP the next day and offered his help. They accepted. The
bottom line of the case was this:
First, the driver was dead-to-rights. Way too many witnesses and the
physical evidence was monumental.
Second, if this DUI accident had happened in Arizona, Marty knew he could
charge the driver with Second Degree Homicide and make it stick. That meant
a minimum sentence upon conviction of 25 years. In Arizona, one must serve
85% of their time before being eligible for parole.
Third, however in California, the charge was only vehicular manslaughter,
which is less of a charge than standard manslaughter. Maximum sentence upon
conviction was only 4 years. In California, one only has to serve 50% of
their time before being eligible for parole.

So, the driver was convicted. He had been held in the county jail for 6
months before his trial. But then, the sentencing hearing was to be 3 months
later. The rumor was the judge was going to impose only 2 years. We started
a letter writing campaign to demand 4 years. I'll brag. I got letters sent
from staff and faculty at the University of Arizona where I worked. I got
letters sent from NASA. I got letters sent from Picatinny Arsenal, Dover,
NJ. And finally, I got letters sent from both Charlie Company, 3rd
Battalion, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne) and 5th Special Forces Group
Command Staff.

When Mike, Glen's stepfather, met with the county prosecutor, he wanted to
know just who-in-the-Hell Mike knew, for the prosecutor had a stack of
letters from all over the country demanding Glen's murderer get the maximum
sentence of 4 years. There were 375 letters for one 11 year old boy.

On the day of the sentencing hearing, Glen's entire Boy Scout troop showed
up in uniform to observe. Everyone in law enforcement was on the same page
and in line and the unified request to the judge was a sentence of 4 years.
The judge was even given the 375 letters. It didn't matter. The judge
sentenced Glen's murderer to 2 years, counted the 9 months time served, and
he was out in 3 months, with 50% time served, and on parole for one year. I
was a bit concerned I had taught Glen's mother, Beth, too well, but she did
not go hunting with her 9mm. Maybe that's it. I did teach Beth too well,
including the code of Honor my Uncle Russ taught me. So, she didn't go
hunting.

Way too many times, the government that we have created totally forgets that
we created it, and government of the people, by the people, and for the
people becomes just a useless catch phrase.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:37:23 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Damn, what a timely subject.  This morning I was driving our company '01 
Chevy 3/4 ton van, and an illegal, driving his bosses POS Ford pickup 
pulling a POS landscape trailer changed lanes and trashed the van.  He 
wiped out the L door, LF fender, removed the front bumper, cut up both 
front tires, bent the LF wheel, bent the suspension, and broke the 
windshield.  I stopped, he stopped in front of me, and when I was quickly 
talking to the guy behind me who witnessed it all and said the guy changed 
lanes and hit me, the jerk took off.  Not knowing the front wheels were 
pidgeon- toed and the bumper was hanging by 2 bolts in the street, I jumped 
back in and chased him in traffic.  Must have been a 
sight............bumper dragging in the street, sparks flying, tires 
squealing while trying to "fight" each other.  Anyway, I caught him 3 
blocks later, witness followed and gave me his info.  The cops asked him a 
question and he answered in English, but when they asked him for license, 
registration, and proof of insurance all they got was "No hable Englais", 
or some such shit. Cop was really getting pissed with the guy and then I 
told the cop it was a hit and run, that it happened 3 blocks away.  Cop 
grabbed him, cuffed him and stuffed him---felony hit and run. The van has 
about $3,500.00 in damage, is in the body shop, and I get to pay our 
$500.00 deductible, unless the truck owner pays for the damages, like he 
said he would.  Yeah, riiiiiiiight!!

Anyway, this is my 4th time with an illegal hitting me. One destroyed my 
'64 F85 wagon which was totally original, and had won a 1st in the original 
at the OCA Nats a month before.  Got hurt in that one.  Another hit my 
father in law head on after running from an accident and killed him in '99. 
Point is, I wish AZ was stricter on these morons with no insurance. They 
buy insurance, get tags, and cancel the insurance.  When I hear your 
stories of other states, I am sorta envious of how tough they are in other 
states.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:58:56 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Joe,

That's why Prop 200 needs to pass!

However, don't forget the efforts of guys like Marty to fix it in Arizona,
like getting Second Degree Homicide for DUI felony death.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe & Gloria Varley" <carcouple@cox.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> Damn, what a timely subject.  This morning I was driving our company '01
> Chevy 3/4 ton van, and an illegal, driving his bosses POS Ford pickup
> pulling a POS landscape trailer changed lanes and trashed the van.  He
> wiped out the L door, LF fender, removed the front bumper, cut up both
> front tires, bent the LF wheel, bent the suspension, and broke the
> windshield.  I stopped, he stopped in front of me, and when I was quickly
> talking to the guy behind me who witnessed it all and said the guy changed
> lanes and hit me, the jerk took off.  Not knowing the front wheels were
> pidgeon- toed and the bumper was hanging by 2 bolts in the street, I
jumped
> back in and chased him in traffic.  Must have been a
> sight............bumper dragging in the street, sparks flying, tires
> squealing while trying to "fight" each other.  Anyway, I caught him 3
> blocks later, witness followed and gave me his info.  The cops asked him a
> question and he answered in English, but when they asked him for license,
> registration, and proof of insurance all they got was "No hable Englais",
> or some such shit. Cop was really getting pissed with the guy and then I
> told the cop it was a hit and run, that it happened 3 blocks away.  Cop
> grabbed him, cuffed him and stuffed him---felony hit and run. The van has
> about $3,500.00 in damage, is in the body shop, and I get to pay our
> $500.00 deductible, unless the truck owner pays for the damages, like he
> said he would.  Yeah, riiiiiiiight!!
>
> Anyway, this is my 4th time with an illegal hitting me. One destroyed my
> '64 F85 wagon which was totally original, and had won a 1st in the
original
> at the OCA Nats a month before.  Got hurt in that one.  Another hit my
> father in law head on after running from an accident and killed him in
'99.
> Point is, I wish AZ was stricter on these morons with no insurance. They
> buy insurance, get tags, and cancel the insurance.  When I hear your
> stories of other states, I am sorta envious of how tough they are in other
> states.
>
> Joe Varley
>       AZ
>
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:03:24 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

>
>
>Speaking of Mass (and Virginia, especially): they're DEATH on emissions and
>inspection stickers. Mass puts them on the driver's corner of the
>windshield but Virginia puts them right in the middle of the windshield at
>the bottom. Virginia also has a property tax sticker for each county or
>municipality which goes right next to the inspection sticker in the center
>of the windshield. Cops have NO TROUBLE seeing whether you've got the
>correct-colored stickers as they drive toward you. I can't rember whether
>Virginia fined you for expired stickers but Mass didn't; it was just a real
>hassle having to go get the car inspected and clear it up with the courts.
>Mass also considers inspection-sticker violations as a "moving violation"
>which goes on yer driving record, although I don't think the insurance
>companies that operate in Mass count them as such.

How tough Virginia is on emissions depends on where you live in the 
state, oddly enough. In northern Virginia, near D.C., it's very 
tough. Down here in the tidewater area near the mouth of the 
Chesapeake, we don't get tested on emissions at all. They make a 
cursory check to see if the required equipment is installed and 
that's about it.

They can be death on the stickers, it's true. I've been pulled over 
for expired inspections (until I discovered the joys of desktop 
publishing) and even got a $100 fine for failure to display a city 
tax sticker, even though the car had been parked for months and I'd 
paid the fee, but just hadn't attached the darned thing. It seldom 
pays to procrastinate.

>
>California used to be the easiest place I've lived in to get by without
>emissions/inspection stickers.

Nevada was easier for me. I had a VW that wouldn't pass the sniffer 
test. The attendant just recalibrated the machine until it made it. 
Cost me an extra $10.

The closest I've come to being arrested regarding a sticker was in 
North Carolina. I'd been pulled for an expired inspection (the 
officer saying, "Boy, this is way out of date!" when it was only two 
months past). I forgot to pay the fine in time (are we seeing a 
pattern here?) and called the court. They said to just send in the 
dough, which I did.

I subsequently moved to Virginia and went to apply for a driver's 
license. They said there was an outstanding arrest warrant for me for 
a "failure to appear"  in North Carolina. DMV was surprisingly 
cavalier about it and gave me a number to call in Raleigh. They 
didn't show anything outstanding and eventually sent me a latter to 
that effect for the DMV. Good thing I hadn't been pulled over in the 
meantime!

John

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:21:39 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

I guess it's tragedies like this that helped move the Supreme Court 
to give death penalty sentencing to juries and not judges, if I 
understand it correctly. I was watching a related program and they 
said that before the ruling, judges sentences 20 percent or less of 
capital convictions to death. Now that it's in the juries' hands, it 
more like 90 percent.

John

>
>
>
>Okay, since we're using up bandwidth and jawboning about stupid government
>and its failure to serve the public, I'll throw this one at you.
>
>It even has Olds content, for Glen loved to ride in Thunder Lizard. I also
>taught him to be a crack shot, just like my parents and Uncle Russ did with
>me.
>
>You see, there are more 9/11s than one might know.
>
>1730, 11 September 1994, Murphys, CA. - My 11 year old grandson, Glen
>William Brascugli McCormick Hirsch, was wearing his Boy scout uniform and
>riding his bike to his monthly Boy Scout meeting. He was 4 feet outside the
>right of the shoulder of the roadway, plenty of distance away from normal
>traffic. He knew how to be safe.
>
>An individual was cruising down the road in a Ford Bronco, with 3 cars
>trailing him. They would be the primary witnesses. The individual had a DUI
>conviction 8 years prior, but we all know he just hadn't been caught since
>then. People who drink and drive never stop their drinking and driving. He
>was drinking a mixture of 50% Sprite and 50% Tequila from a mason jar. His
>previously smoked MJ joint butts were rolling around under his front seat.
>
>He saw Glen riding his bike. He fixated on Glen. He drove toward Glen. He
>drove through Glen at 45 MPH. Glen was killed.
>
>He recoiled reacted and lost control and crashed in the median. An off-duty
>Murphy's cop just happened to be at the convenience store on the other side
>of the road. The cop took the driver into custody and secured the mason jar
>for the California Highway Patrol.
>
>When this happened, I was on my way to Las Vegas and the 1994 Soldier of
>Fortune Convention. When I got to the hotel, the staff told me to call home,
>instantly. Mary told me what happened. She and Glen's stepdad's parents were
>immediately flying to Murphys. I was to stay in Vegas until Sunday morning
>and then fly to Murphys.
>
>After I talked to Mary, I called the Tucson Police Department. It was then
>2215. I told the desk Sargent that I needed to contact my close friend,
>Marty Fuentes, the best damn traffic detective in the American Southwest.
>Marty is the man responsible for getting the penalty for death by DUI raised
>to Second Degree Homicide in Arizona. Marty called me at the hotel 15
>minutes later.
>
>Marty contacted CHP the next day and offered his help. They accepted. The
>bottom line of the case was this:
>First, the driver was dead-to-rights. Way too many witnesses and the
>physical evidence was monumental.
>Second, if this DUI accident had happened in Arizona, Marty knew he could
>charge the driver with Second Degree Homicide and make it stick. That meant
>a minimum sentence upon conviction of 25 years. In Arizona, one must serve
>85% of their time before being eligible for parole.
>Third, however in California, the charge was only vehicular manslaughter,
>which is less of a charge than standard manslaughter. Maximum sentence upon
>conviction was only 4 years. In California, one only has to serve 50% of
>their time before being eligible for parole.
>
>So, the driver was convicted. He had been held in the county jail for 6
>months before his trial. But then, the sentencing hearing was to be 3 months
>later. The rumor was the judge was going to impose only 2 years. We started
>a letter writing campaign to demand 4 years. I'll brag. I got letters sent
>from staff and faculty at the University of Arizona where I worked. I got
>letters sent from NASA. I got letters sent from Picatinny Arsenal, Dover,
>NJ. And finally, I got letters sent from both Charlie Company, 3rd
>Battalion, 5th Special Forces Group (Airborne) and 5th Special Forces Group
>Command Staff.
>
>When Mike, Glen's stepfather, met with the county prosecutor, he wanted to
>know just who-in-the-Hell Mike knew, for the prosecutor had a stack of
>letters from all over the country demanding Glen's murderer get the maximum
>sentence of 4 years. There were 375 letters for one 11 year old boy.
>
>On the day of the sentencing hearing, Glen's entire Boy Scout troop showed
>up in uniform to observe. Everyone in law enforcement was on the same page
>and in line and the unified request to the judge was a sentence of 4 years.
>The judge was even given the 375 letters. It didn't matter. The judge
>sentenced Glen's murderer to 2 years, counted the 9 months time served, and
>he was out in 3 months, with 50% time served, and on parole for one year. I
>was a bit concerned I had taught Glen's mother, Beth, too well, but she did
>not go hunting with her 9mm. Maybe that's it. I did teach Beth too well,
>including the code of Honor my Uncle Russ taught me. So, she didn't go
>hunting.
>
>Way too many times, the government that we have created totally forgets that
>we created it, and government of the people, by the people, and for the
>people becomes just a useless catch phrase.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:01:26 -0500
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
Subject: fraud

Who was it that posted a web site on fraud and who to write to in the FBI
Thanks   Bob

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:29:07 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: parts car needed

Hi All
     I am in need of a 1970 toronado parts car. There doesn't seem to be 
anything in my area. It does not have to run Mostly I need some sheet 
metal and some miscellanous stuff. If anything is available cheap in 
your area and you are within 2 to 3 hours from Dayton Ohio Please drop 
me a note.
thanks
John Kelsey
Dauyton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 6:33:59 -0400
From: Jay Britt <jbritt67@cox.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions

From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
They can be death on the stickers, it's true. I've been pulled over for expired inspections (until I discovered the joys of desktop publishing) and even got a $100 fine for failure to display a city tax sticker
- -----
In Virginia Beach, we no longer have a city tax sticker. And, since my Cutlass is registered as an antique vehicle, I'm exempt from state inspection as well. Finally, no stickers at all on the windshield.

Jay

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