
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 29 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5038



Re: Re:Olds Eng. Adv.371 rod
Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races
storage dollys/ stands
Best buys/ best tools
Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?
RE: Best buys/ best tools
Re: balancer bolt torque
RE: Best buys/ best tools
RE: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools
oil filter wrenches
Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?
RE: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?
RE: Best buys/ best tools
RE: Best buys/ best tools
RE: Best buys/ best tools
oil filters & tools, was Re: balancer bolt torque
Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races
Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races
Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Best buys/ best tools

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Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:42:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Olds Eng. Adv.371 rod

Randy,

> 371 rod center too center is 6.625,,,bore and stroke 4.00"x3.6875,, CR
10-1.


Okay, *that* explains the deck height difference between a 371 and a 394.
I'd wager the good folks at Olds did it on purpose to make a better racing
Olds engine.

Anyhow, you've still got a 1.8 rod length to stroke ratio, which is still
excellent. It puts your 371 in the same ratio class as a MOPAR wedge 440!

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 07:57:35 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races

A KANIFFLER WRENCH, AND A COMPOS
RON
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races


> What tool do you use when your muffler bearings freeze up and the
> catastrophic converter goes south?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races
> pics/gregsNW. Tour
> 
> 
>> At 09:48 AM 9/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >I suppose I won't report you for tool abuse just yet, but don't
>> >let me find out you're using a screwdriver for something other
>> >than turning screws!
>>
>> ....  but... but.... once the new timing set's on, I wanna get the
>> catalytic converter off. Ordinary chisels are both too wide and too
> fat.....
>>
>> ;o)))))
>>
>> Steve "whose tailpipes have lots of screwdriver indentations of various
>> sorts and loves drinking screwdrivers" H
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:57:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: storage dollys/ stands

I recommend that you buy 2 used furniture dollies from a moving company for
about $5 to $10 each and use some lumber on the sides to keep the engine
from resting on it's oil pan.

John Nasta
================
yeah, what he said
Harbor Fright [sic]
has dollys with crappy casters for cheap
Better casters and your own 2x4's would be better

I had a guy come to get a motor a while back, he had this, and I recently 
copied it, and am using in on 3-4 motors in the back right now, works great, 
just build it around a loose oil pan, upside down

.
.     |        |
.   / |        |\
._/_|_____|_\_

Hope that ASCII art came out OK, I cannot seem to make my screen show 
monospace fonts
View is looking fore-aft, as in straight at the front of the engine. email 
pix upon request.

Anyhow, Base is like 22x24, of 1/2 to 3/4 plywood or similar
Uprights are about 8x22 of 5/8 to 3/4 plywood or similar, V notch in LH one 
to clear the dipstick protrusion. angles side braces I used 2x4's cut at 45' 
on the ends. Glue and screw the whole thing together. Galvaniozed eeck type 
screws. Easy and fast to make. Remove trans line holder from RH pan rail if 
present. Motor rests on the pan rails/ bolts. Can't collapse sideways 
because each side has sturdy angled brace.

Chris Witt
517-449-0432

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:06:15 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Best buys/ best tools

From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: balancer bolt torque

28 Sep 2004  "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com> writes:

>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil filter to get it 
>to turn?


And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?

Bruce (used a huge channel lock last night) Roe
=====================
PLIERS
Oil filter pliers
When working as the mechanic I saw that, bought a pair, works so well I have 
not used any other of the 6 various kinds I have since. Like ChannelLocks 
but with a very curved jaw to surround the item.

Best Buy!

Did I mention that if you don't have a real impact wrench you should get 
one?

Anyone tried that $100 "ThunderGun" thing? Tempting, but my Blue Point works 
Just FIne.

Chris Witt

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:00:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?

At 12:35 AM 9/29/2004, you wrote:

> > 'Newby question of the day. Would the innards of a running
> > 1967 OLDSMOBILE DELTA 88 (assuming a 425) be of any
> > use in our efforts to eventually put a 455 into our 58 wagon/rod?
> > i.e. How different are the engine in size, motor mounts and
> > such? Would it be of any use for the design process?

It would be a great start. In fact, many here will begin to suggest you 
stick with the 425 and use the extra rpm to make up for the thirty cubes 
you're short with that motor.

OTOH, I'll gladly trade a solid 455 for a solid 425 anyday.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:36:22 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

>>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil filter to get 
>>it to turn?

*cough*

The (first and) last time I tried that, on a badly neglected '70 Bonneville, 
the metal casing of the filter simply tore as I twisted. At this point I now 
had an immobilized car that I couldn't refill with oil to drive anywhere 
else for assistance (and which was currently sitting right bang in the 
middle of my parents' garage... ahem...).

I ended up taking the oil filter mount right off the engine, with the filter 
still firmly screwed on to it, and carrying it to the local gas station, 
where they used a bench vise and the biggest Channel LockŪ wrench I've ever 
seen to twist the filter off the base. It made an impressive screeching 
noise as it let go; the screwdriver technique was nowhere near close to the 
torque needed to crack this thing loose. (I suspect some idiot years before 
had put it _on_ with a wrench.)

>And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
>that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?

My favorite is the metal strap tool with a pivoting handle. It accommodates 
a range of sizes, and in a pinch you can stick shims under it to grip very 
small filters. You also need only a few degrees of arc to move the filter, 
then reposition, move a little more, etc. I actually have two of them; the 
older one is much bigger, to fit the old PF24/PF30 diameters, and a newer 
one grabs the PF47s and similar sizes.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:38:21 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque

> And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
> that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?
>
> Bruce (used a huge channel lock last night) Roe

Bruce,

What kind of filters are you buying?  I can still get "traditional" filters
from a few suppliers (not Delco anymore now that they have become the
world's premiere reboxer...).

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:01:39 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

I also tried the screw driver trick on an old 327 chebby I had.  Destroyed
the can as you described.  I ended up taking my air chisel and removed all
of the remnants of the can.  I then used it to apply torque to the "top" of
the oil filter by placing the chisel in one of the holes the oil flows
through.  That spun it off.


Eric


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Andrew C. Green
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:36 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


>>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil filter to get
>>it to turn?

*cough*

The (first and) last time I tried that, on a badly neglected '70 Bonneville,
the metal casing of the filter simply tore as I twisted. At this point I now
had an immobilized car that I couldn't refill with oil to drive anywhere
else for assistance (and which was currently sitting right bang in the
middle of my parents' garage... ahem...).

I ended up taking the oil filter mount right off the engine, with the filter
still firmly screwed on to it, and carrying it to the local gas station,
where they used a bench vise and the biggest Channel LockŪ wrench I've ever
seen to twist the filter off the base. It made an impressive screeching
noise as it let go; the screwdriver technique was nowhere near close to the
torque needed to crack this thing loose. (I suspect some idiot years before
had put it _on_ with a wrench.)

>And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
>that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?

My favorite is the metal strap tool with a pivoting handle. It accommodates
a range of sizes, and in a pinch you can stick shims under it to grip very
small filters. You also need only a few degrees of arc to move the filter,
then reposition, move a little more, etc. I actually have two of them; the
older one is much bigger, to fit the old PF24/PF30 diameters, and a newer
one grabs the PF47s and similar sizes.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:13:55 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

When I did the screwdriver trick, the filter had already been crushed from
trying to turn it with a filter wrench. I guess that made the metal a little
more resilient. You need a really big screwdriver, and as Andy mentioned
this method can backfire, leaving a bigger problem.

I usually take oil filters off with my bare hands. There's no reason for
them to be on so tight that they won't come off with a good strong grip.
You're supposed to get them snug and then go another half turn. If you stick
to that rule you shouldn't need any tools at all to get them off (or on for
that matter).

John Nasta

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:21:07 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

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also  tried the screw driver trick on an old 327 chebby I had.   Destroyed
the can as you described.  I ended up taking my air chisel  and removed all
of the remnants of the can.


That's why the little things in life count, like smearing a little oil (or  
grease) around the oil filter gasket before installing. I've also found the 
best  tool is the oil filter pliers. I can reach any angle of all my cars, even 
when  there's limited room.
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 11:26:37 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: oil filter wrenches

I do own a couple of oil filter wrenches. One fits on the end of the filter
and has a 3/8 square hole in the center that you can put a ratchet or
extension into. I also have the old-fashioned metal strap type. Usually
there is not enough room for the handle to turn on newer cars. I never use
them though. I'm going to do an oil change today. The filter has been on for
a couple of years while the car was sitting, so it might be a tough one. I'm
not planning to use a wrench but I have 'em here just in case. If you change
your oil regularly and put the filter on properly (and have a strong grip)
you shouldn't need one.

How do you know if you have a strong grip? Just stand with your hands
hanging loosely at your sides. If your palms face your body you have a very
weak grip. If your palms face behind you, you have a very strong grip.
Anywhere in between is in between. This is an old golf pro trick for
assessing a student's grip strength. A few years ago I pinned the grip
tester at the Liberty Science Center.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 08:35:25 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?

>How cheap is dirt cheap?

$475 CDN

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:05:44 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

p.s. if you ever have to resort to this, you need to have the screwdriver as
close to the base of the filter as possible, and as someone else mentioned,
if you peel away the can, the center can take more torque than the outer
metal. Anyway, this is strictly a last-resort method that for the most part
should not be tried.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Nasta
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:14 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

When I did the screwdriver trick, the filter had already been crushed from
trying to turn it with a filter wrench. I guess that made the metal a little
more resilient. You need a really big screwdriver, and as Andy mentioned
this method can backfire, leaving a bigger problem.

I usually take oil filters off with my bare hands. There's no reason for
them to be on so tight that they won't come off with a good strong grip.
You're supposed to get them snug and then go another half turn. If you stick
to that rule you shouldn't need any tools at all to get them off (or on for
that matter).

John Nasta

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 10:32:16 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

John "Gorilla Grip" Nasta wrote:
> ...
> I usually take oil filters off with my bare hands. There's no reason for
> them to be on so tight that they won't come off with a good strong grip.
> You're supposed to get them snug and then go another half turn. If you stick
> to that rule you shouldn't need any tools at all to get them off (or on for
> that matter).

I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.

I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove 
the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled 
the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.

I've never figured out how that worked.
- --

Cliff "Get a grip on yourself man!" Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:45:50 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?

> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 23:32:13 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?
> 
> Nanook
> 
> > 'Newby question of the day. Would the innards of a running 
> > 1967 OLDSMOBILE DELTA 88 (assuming a 425) be of any use in our efforts to 
> > eventually put a 455 into our 58 wagon/rod? i.e. How different are the 
> > engine in size, motor mounts and such? Would it be of any use for the 
> > design process?
> 
> 
> Olds big blocks are the same externally. It simply wouldn't 
> matter. However, if you don't have a 455 now, then seriously consider using 
> the 425. In many ways, the 425 is the better engine in stock form up to 
> 90%-race modified form. The only thing a stock 455 has going for it is 30 more 
> cubes, which only matters when those extra 30 cubes can be used to their 
> full advantage. The 425 had a forged steel crank and a much better rod length 
> to stroke ratio. Unless I either have a rare forged steel crank to use 
> in the 455 and/or also using 7" 425 rods in the 455 to make a long rod 
> engine, a 425 engine is probably better. The 45 degree cam bank angle and 
> the possiblity of a 0.921" lifter diameter doesn't matter one bit on the 
> 425. At least one of the three other '64-'65 A-bodies I have will eventually 
> get a 425, and maybe a second one will too. The last one, the '65 F-85 
> 4-door *is* getting a 403.
> 
> 
> > (Measurements, etc.) Anything else on the car that you 
> > think would be useful?
> 
> 
> Use your imagination.
> 
> 
> > The car is going dirt cheap so it got me wondering.
> 
> 
> How cheap is dirt cheap? Like I said, if you don't have a 455 
> now, and the deal on the Delta is good enough, use the 425.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com

Milton didn't specifically point this out, so I'll chime in. The 425 and 455 have the same bore diameter (4.125"), but use pistons with different compression heights due to the different crank strokes and rod lengths (the 425 has 7" rods and either 3.975 or 3.980" stroke (I've seen listed both ways) vs. the 455's 6.735" rods and 4.250" stroke). You can use the 425 crank and rods in a 455 block to make a 425 cid engine IF you get pistons with the correct compression height made (or if you can locate some 425 pistons, which are sorta rare these days). Oh yeah, the early ('64 - '67) cranks are drilled with a different flywheel/flex plate bolt pattern than the '68 and up cranks, so be sure to get the 425's flywheel/flex plate with the engine.

As to the different lifter diameters, I have been told that the .921" diameter blocks can be an advantage in drag racing as the larger diameter lifter allows using a camshaft with a much more aggressive ramp rate. Harold Brookshire (cam grinder extraordinaire formerly of UltraDyne Cams and now with Lunati Cams) many times said that a Chrysler 904(?) style grind could be used, which would give lots fore power than the regular style grinds. Apparently the larger diameter lifter acts more like a roller lifter due to the larger contact surface area, so even with aggressive ramp rates the valves are closed gently.
 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix AZ

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:01:53 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.


- -----Original Message-----

I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.

I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove
the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled
the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.

I've never figured out how that worked.
- --

Cliff "Get a grip on yourself man!" Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:59:13 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

>At 10:36 AM 9/29/2004, you wrote:
>My favorite is the metal strap tool with a pivoting handle. It 
>accommodates a range of sizes, and in a pinch you can stick shims under it 
>to grip very small filters. You also need only a few degrees of arc to 
>move the filter, then reposition, move a little more, etc. I actually have 
>two of them; the older one is much bigger, to fit the old PF24/PF30 
>diameters, and a newer one grabs the PF47s and similar sizes.

X2

That's all I've ever had to use over the past 20 years.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:41:32 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

Oil, heat and time cause the gasket to expand and or stick. Was taught one
hand on 2 hands to take off. Never install with a wrench.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Nasta
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:02 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.


- -----Original Message-----

I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.

I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove
the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled
the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.

I've never figured out how that worked.
- --

Cliff "Get a grip on yourself man!" Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:38:31 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: oil filters & tools, was Re: balancer bolt torque

Buy Baldwin # B-9 for a full length Olds oil filter. Baldwin is one of the
largest filter MFGs in the world, of which there are only 6-7 filter MFGs,
anyway. Those 6-7 make filters for all the rest. Baldwin oil filters are a
nice pretty red.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

> What kind of filters are you buying?  I can still get "traditional"
filters
> from a few suppliers (not Delco anymore now that they have become the
> world's premiere reboxer...).

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:53:04 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Olds Delta 88 as a Donor?

> >How cheap is dirt cheap?
>
> $475 CDN


Well, you said it runs. Buy it. Use it for the '58. Sell off everything you
don't use on eBay or somewhere else, preferably to someone restoring a '67
Delta somewhere. You might just make back the purchase price, then the
drivetrain will be free.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:57:36 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

It also helps to remove the oil filter from a hot engine. The oil filter on
a cold engine always takes more torque to remove.

Milton Schick
1942 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

> I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
>
> I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove
> the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled >
the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.
>
> I've never figured out how that worked.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 15:46:42 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Well, this is an exeption to the rule, take it for sure... but it happens
mostly when you have your oil change made by someone else. It goes to the
ridiculous amount of working to take an overtighten oil filter out. Same
with spark plugs - when a "professional guy" installs them you can brake a
couple of Made in Taiwan wrenches before they give up.
Matt
> How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.
> I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:07:08 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Thermal expansion and contraction cycles over several months causing metal
creep. It only takes 1 thousands of dimensional change to make removing the
oil filter harder. Also, the rubber gasket will swell a little from contact
with the high detergents in the engine oil. That will also make the oil
filter tighter.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
>
> I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove
> the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled
> the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.
>
> I've never figured out how that worked.
> --
>
> Cliff "Get a grip on yourself man!" Simpson & Kermit
> http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:14:15 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

My Toyota's self tighten without fail. I put them on and hand tighten with
one hand, and it takes an oil filter wrench to get them off. Which is what I
am going to do today. Pray for Me!
Rick Messenger
76 98 LS coupe
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Well, this is an exeption to the rule, take it for sure... but it happens
> mostly when you have your oil change made by someone else. It goes to the
> ridiculous amount of working to take an overtighten oil filter out. Same
> with spark plugs - when a "professional guy" installs them you can brake a
> couple of Made in Taiwan wrenches before they give up.
> Matt
> > How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.
> > I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:14:40 -0400
From: "" <clemke@email.toast.net>
Subject: Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust

I got one suggestion to move someplace warm and dry. That's a good idea, but I was also wondering if anyone had used the "paint on" type treatments such as those sold by the Eastwood Company.

Any experience you can share on rust treatment would be appreciated.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: clemke@email.toast.net [mailto:clemke@email.toast.net]
Sent: 9/27/2004 10:44:03 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust

> Hello
> 
> What products do you recommend for stopping underbody rust. I currently have minimal underbody rusting (a couple of places, looks like mostly surface rust) on a 1995 Cutlass convertible, and would like to know what you have found to be an effective treatment.
> 
> Any advice you can share would be appreciated.
> 
> Kenn
> 

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:16:57 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

I did to hot engine oil changes today, they were hand tightened (with one
hand), and took a filter wrench to remove. I hope your wife get's better
soon Milt.

Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> It also helps to remove the oil filter from a hot engine. The oil filter
on
> a cold engine always takes more torque to remove.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1942 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
> > I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
> >
> > I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove
> > the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled >
> the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.
> >
> > I've never figured out how that worked.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on their top of
the line units. I am going to pop for these from now on. I used one once
when the wife decided to let me splurge,,,,it workes great. Usually she
makes me get the "quality" ones that are on sale........, AC brand. I put my
foot down this time..........., she said I could.  Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:13 AM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> When I did the screwdriver trick, the filter had already been crushed from
> trying to turn it with a filter wrench. I guess that made the metal a
little
> more resilient. You need a really big screwdriver, and as Andy mentioned
> this method can backfire, leaving a bigger problem.
>
> I usually take oil filters off with my bare hands. There's no reason for
> them to be on so tight that they won't come off with a good strong grip.
> You're supposed to get them snug and then go another half turn. If you
stick
> to that rule you shouldn't need any tools at all to get them off (or on
for
> that matter).
>
> John Nasta
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:40:35 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races

That's a good one,,I shall file that.  Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:57 AM
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races


> A KANIFFLER WRENCH, AND A COMPOS
> RON
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:04 PM
> Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races
>
>
> > What tool do you use when your muffler bearings freeze up and the
> > catastrophic converter goes south?
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races
> > pics/gregsNW. Tour
> >
> >
> >> At 09:48 AM 9/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >I suppose I won't report you for tool abuse just yet, but don't
> >> >let me find out you're using a screwdriver for something other
> >> >than turning screws!
> >>
> >> ....  but... but.... once the new timing set's on, I wanna get the
> >> catalytic converter off. Ordinary chisels are both too wide and too
> > fat.....
> >>
> >> ;o)))))
> >>
> >> Steve "whose tailpipes have lots of screwdriver indentations of various
> >> sorts and loves drinking screwdrivers" H
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:43:09 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races

Does this work anything like a foundonroadead dolly?  LOL

Rick M
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: balancer bolt torque, formerly Re: Day at the races


> At 08:04 PM 9/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >What tool do you use when your muffler bearings freeze up and the
> >catastrophic converter goes south?
>
> The 11 lb Frod hammer or sometimes 30" Chr*sler pryer bar usually do the
> trick. If I can't find either of those, I've been using the 1/2" ratchet
> but now with the new 3/4" slider bar, I'll probly start breaking that in
on
> the more-stubborn bearings and converters  ;o}
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:36:42 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

its just not youre toyo, i had one today with a good griefe  group 7 filter.
 looked like 50 mm machine gun tore into it.
shreaded and mutulated. still hung on finaly  tossed out the rules . grabbed long heavy screw driver 
and big hammer had to  beat it loose. oh what fun it was. customer asked what the hell i was doing,i 
said removeing this  cheap oil filter, he replied it cost me 1.25.
i laughed and said no it cost you  1 hrs labor rate to remove it.
then he watched me put oil on the seal and asked why i did that?.so i would not have to go threw 
this again.  the kicker was when i installed it snug and then tightened it by hand. he asked why i 
did not use the adapter with the  LONG 1/2 rachet.grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  i asked  any more quistions. 
he said no. i said  65.00 for removeing filter. 200.00 for  education and agrivation. 25.00 for oil 
change. look on his face priceless.
take care
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> My Toyota's self tighten without fail. I put them on and hand tighten with
> one hand, and it takes an oil filter wrench to get them off. Which is what I
> am going to do today. Pray for Me!
> Rick Messenger
> 76 98 LS coupe
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
>> Well, this is an exeption to the rule, take it for sure... but it happens
>> mostly when you have your oil change made by someone else. It goes to the
>> ridiculous amount of working to take an overtighten oil filter out. Same
>> with spark plugs - when a "professional guy" installs them you can brake a
>> couple of Made in Taiwan wrenches before they give up.
>> Matt
>> > How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.
>> > I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
>>
>>
>
>
> 

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:56:00 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Milton; what would we do without you! I would believe that even if it wern't
true; which I know it is. Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Thermal expansion and contraction cycles over several months causing metal
> creep. It only takes 1 thousands of dimensional change to make removing
the
> oil filter harder. Also, the rubber gasket will swell a little from
contact
> with the high detergents in the engine oil. That will also make the oil
> filter tighter.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:01 AM
> Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want self-loosen.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >
> > I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
> >
> > I had a Chebby 350 that always required extraordinary measures to remove
> > the filter, wrenches, air chisels, etc., despite the fact that I oiled
> > the gasket and only hand tightened the filters.
> >
> > I've never figured out how that worked.
> > --
> >
> > Cliff "Get a grip on yourself man!" Simpson & Kermit
> > http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
> >
> >
>
>
>

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