
oldsmobile-digest    Thursday, September 16 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5023



Re: Heater control valve again.
Re: Nationals results???
Re: Heater control valve again.
RE: Windshield removal/replacement
Re: Windshield removal/replacement
Re: Windshield removal/replacement
Re: Windshield removal/replacement
Andy's on a rant again
Re: 83/84 Hurst Olds for Sale
Re: Andy's on a rant again
Re: Rain-X
Re: Rain-X
Re: Andy's on a rant again
OCA Nats Pics
RE:easy Windshield removal/replacement
RE: OCA Nats Pics
Heater control valve again.
Re: Andy's on a rant again
Re: Andy's on a rant again

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:42:16 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Heater control valve again.

> So the question is, which valve - vacuum to open or vacuum to close - does
a '71 Cutlass use?

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'71 takes a vacuum closes type.  15-5104 is the stock screw in type, 15-5101
would be the in line alternative.


Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:58:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Nationals results???

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Makes me all the less sorry I cancelled my OCA membership.
 
They are a dinosaur just waitng to die...
 
John Pajak
http://jspajak.tripod.com
 


62oldsfan@comcast.net wrote:

> We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know if 
> the results are available on-line? 


I doubt it.  They were barely available at the banquet.  Even then, they gave the owner's name, but didn't tell or show what the car was.  I have no idea what most of the Best of Class winners were.

Paul

		
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<DIV>Makes me all the less sorry I cancelled my OCA membership.</DIV>
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<DIV>They are a dinosaur just waitng to die...</DIV>
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<DIV>John Pajak</DIV>
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<P>&gt; We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know if <BR>&gt; the results are available on-line? <BR></P>
<P>I doubt it.&nbsp; They were barely available at the banquet.&nbsp; Even then, they gave the owner's name, but didn't tell or show what the car was.&nbsp; I have no idea what most of the Best of Class winners were.</P>
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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 12:53:26 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Heater control valve again.

> I just located a picture of the 15-5101 heater valve, and it looks just
> like the OEM Olds heater valve, just without the threaded end that screws
> into the intake manifold.

That is what I said, standard GM design.

> I'm not convinced that this valve will be any
> improvement over the OEM valve - it looks as if it can fail in the same
> manner, and leave you stranded.

If it does fail, you only need a screwdriver for the hose clamps to be on
your way again.  The stock valve is a different story.

> The valve I originally referred to had a
> vacuum cylinder completely removed from the flow control valve

Some GM suppliers provided this type of valve (my '77 98 has one from the
factory) and there are some in line types for Chrysler applications, but
they are not 5/8"  on both ends.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:36:39 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Windshield removal/replacement

> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:52:27 -0400
> From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Windshield removal/replacement

snip

> And if I remove it at home, how do I get it to the 
> glass shop? drive with no windshield? (thinking Beverly
> Hillbillies style....)
> 
> Thanks
> Chris

That reminds me of when I drove the '71 home after I painted 
it in a friend's shop. Bring some safety glasses and hope it 
doesn't rain - it's no fun having cold rain pelt you in the 
face. And use Rain-X on those safety glasses so you can see!

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 15:50:40 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield removal/replacement

SKammerer@alberto.com wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Here in Chicago area their are windshield/glass shops that come to you.  I have
> used them on 2 occasions, once they came to my car at work and once to my home.
> No problem with either installation.
> 
> Steve K.
> 
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> My windshield leaks in the 71, and needs to be re-sealed. But I also would
> like to get in there and fix some dash rust in the corner where I could only
> get to it with the windshield out. How can I go about doing this? Run the
> car down to the glass shop, tell them to pop it out and give me a few hours
> to fix it? I don't exactly relish the fact of removing and replacing it
> myself, as I've never done it before. And if I remove it at home, how do I
> get it to the glass shop? drive with no windshield? (thinking Beverly
> Hillbillies style....)
> 
> Thanks
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Chris
    Most any glass shop here in Dayton would remove the windshield and 
hold it at their shop while you take the car for other repair. Several 
days should not be a problem. Return and they will reinstall the 
windsheild. Its safer on their racks built to hold auto glass than 
anywhere else I can think of
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 13:05:34 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Windshield removal/replacement

> How can I go about doing this? Run the
> car down to the glass shop, tell them to pop it out...


and keep it for you after you drive the vehicle home, fix the rust, and
bring the vehicle back to them. Yes, you drive without the windshield in.
Just wear sunglasses or goggles. At home, have a very large tarp to throw
over your vehicle.

That's the way I had to do it when I had the front and back glass out of the
'65 F-85 to fix the rust prior to bodywork and painting.


> I don't exactly relish the fact of removing and replacing it
> myself, as I've never done it before.


It's not that hard, but the professionals do it quicker.


> And if I remove it at home, how do I
> get it to the glass shop? drive with no windshield?


As I said, yes.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:10:36 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield removal/replacement

Personaly I would remove it by myself and fix it then call a glass shop to
come put it back in. They will come to you

Allen Schwartz
Alpine Paving Services, LLC
mycj@tds.net
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From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Windshield removal/replacement


> > How can I go about doing this? Run the
> > car down to the glass shop, tell them to pop it out...
>
>
> and keep it for you after you drive the vehicle home, fix the rust, and
> bring the vehicle back to them. Yes, you drive without the windshield in.
> Just wear sunglasses or goggles. At home, have a very large tarp to throw
> over your vehicle.
>
> That's the way I had to do it when I had the front and back glass out of
the
> '65 F-85 to fix the rust prior to bodywork and painting.
>
>
> > I don't exactly relish the fact of removing and replacing it
> > myself, as I've never done it before.
>
>
> It's not that hard, but the professionals do it quicker.
>
>
> > And if I remove it at home, how do I
> > get it to the glass shop? drive with no windshield?
>
>
> As I said, yes.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 23:05:24 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Andy's on a rant again

I have done plenty of repairs on a Toy*ta with half the miles 
and half the years of my 79 Olds.  Fixing plastic (think 
radiator, hood rod, door handle, etc) things or 
bearings (VERY PRICEY) that never break on my Olds.  
Every part was expensive and hard to work on, compared 
to my Olds.  Now if you just want a disposable car, fine.  

Bruce Roe

14 Sep 2004  "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net> writes:
> Do you know many Toyotas we can buy with 455ci that 
> will still go after 200000 miles and 23yrs?

> Aha... Toyota has a lot of parts  available after 20 yrs as 
> well,right?

> don't be upset with me, I could buy a new Toyota as well, 
> only they have not a single model that I like AND can afford

> Matt

> > This is why I buy Toyota's, no one ever has to work on 
> > them, and when they do it's after 200,000 miles.

> >  Rick Messenger

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:38:55 -0500
From: Dan Williams <442much@mchsi.com>
Subject: Re: 83/84 Hurst Olds for Sale

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Marion, IA
On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 08:11  AM, Tom Bejma wrote:

> Location???
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Williams [mailto:442much@mchsi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:00 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 83/84 Hurst Olds for Sale
>
>
> I still need to sell my two 83s and my 84. Please contact me off the  
> list
> for more information.
>
>
> Pictures can be seen at:  
> http://community.webshots.com/user/442much-date
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -----
> ------
> Dan Williams 442Much@mchsi.com
> H/OCA Price Watch Advisor <Send me the sale price of any Hurst/Olds>
>
>
> -----<< F O R S A L E : H U R S T / O L D S >>-----
> http://community.webshots.com/user/442much
> 83 Hurst/Olds #1649/3001 - Hardtop
> 83 Hurst/Olds #2558/3001 - T-Top
> 84 Hurst/Olds Power Moon Roof
>
>
> 68 442 Convertible http://www.442.com/vcs/1964_1972/williams68.html
>
>
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H/OCA Price Watch Advisor         <Send me the sale price of any  
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83 Hurst/Olds                     #1649/3001 - Hardtop
83 Hurst/Olds                     #2558/3001 - T-Top
84 Hurst/Olds                     Power Moon Roof

68 442 Convertible                 
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On Wednesday, September 15, 2004, at 08:11  AM, Tom Bejma wrote:


<excerpt>Location???



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From: Dan Williams [mailto:442much@mchsi.com]

Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:00 PM

To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Subject: 83/84 Hurst Olds for Sale



I still need to sell my two 83s and my 84. Please contact me off the
list

for more information. 



Pictures can be seen at:
http://community.webshots.com/user/442much-date 



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Dan Williams 442Much@mchsi.com 

H/OCA Price Watch Advisor <<Send me the sale price of any Hurst/Olds> 



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http://community.webshots.com/user/442much 

83 Hurst/Olds #1649/3001 - Hardtop 

83 Hurst/Olds #2558/3001 - T-Top 

84 Hurst/Olds Power Moon Roof 



68 442 Convertible http://www.442.com/vcs/1964_1972/williams68.html 



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83 Hurst/Olds                     #1649/3001 - Hardtop

83 Hurst/Olds                     #2558/3001 - T-Top

84 Hurst/Olds                     Power Moon Roof


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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:38:53 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Andy's on a rant again

BUT... you have not any problems for the first 5-10 years, now, when the
things start to brake down.... big cash in is view.
I looked at the Corolla SW for my wife, but it is too narrow, the same class
307 or Laguna are +- 4" wider. Why those Japanies consider that we dont't
need any extra elbow space? Most of oriental cars are too narrow for may
taste, my 81CS being at the low limit of my preferences, Delta RWD being the
optimum one...
OTOH, the front brake pads are usd 100 at the Toyota prices list..?! Do they
publish them to frighten people! Succesfulle as for me...
rgds
Matt
81CS
> I have done plenty of repairs on a Toy*ta with half the miles
> and half the years of my 79 Olds.  Fixing plastic (think
> radiator, hood rod, door handle, etc) things or
> bearings (VERY PRICEY) that never break on my Olds.
> Every part was expensive and hard to work on, compared
> to my Olds.  Now if you just want a disposable car, fine.
>
> Bruce Roe
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:36:13 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Rain-X

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It works with jet aircraft, but they have plenty of bleed air from the 
turbine.  And in the event of engine failure, they also have a bit more 
fast air blowing across the windscreen.

M

At 10:56 AM 9/15/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 9/15/2004 10:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>mycj@tds.net writes:
>I use it on my tahoe all the time and as long as you have
>more than a mist you never use the wipers
>
>BTW, Cadillac is expected to eliminate the windshield wipers on their XLR 
>in 2006! Supposed to have a stream of high pressure air activated by a 
>sensor constantly blowing from a vent under the windshield. Nothing is 
>supposed to be able to reach the glass. Hope the blower doesn't fail.
>
>Bruce
>75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
>72 Cutlass Conv.
>56 190 SL Conv.
>92 Eldo

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az
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It works with jet aircraft, but they have plenty of bleed air from the
turbine.&nbsp; And in the event of engine failure, they also have a bit
more fast air blowing across the windscreen.<br>
<br>
M<br>
<br>
At 10:56 AM 9/15/2004 -0400, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>In a
message dated 9/15/2004 10:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mycj@tds.net
writes:</font>
<dl>
<dd>I use it on my tahoe all the time and as long as you have
<dd>more than a mist you never use the wipers<br>
<br>

</dl>BTW, Cadillac is expected to eliminate the windshield wipers on
their XLR in 2006! Supposed to have a stream of high pressure air
activated by a sensor constantly blowing from a vent under the
windshield. Nothing is supposed to be able to reach the glass. Hope the
blower doesn't fail.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Bruce<br>
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)<br>
72 Cutlass Conv.<br>
56 190 SL Conv.<br>
92 Eldo</font></blockquote>
<x-sigsep><p></x-sigsep>
Mark Mullins<br>
Tucson, Az</html>

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 18:46:50 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Rain-X

I also use a Rain-X blend windshield washer fluid. It works so well, that I haven't applied any of the normal Rain-X in
almost a year now.

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:55:31 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Andy's on a rant again

The longest I owned a Toyota 4X4 was 7 years, and 95,000 miles. All it ever
needed was gas,oil&lube. I took it in at 50,000 to have the front end lined
up, and was told that it was so close to not needing lined up it wasn't
funny............,but he still took my 60$ anyhow. If you have ever been to
Spokane, you would quickly discover that the streets and roads here are bad
enough to qualify for "off road" driving experience. We carry around 700lbs.
at all times and have nary had a squeak or rattle. I have thrashed the truck
off road, and never bent anything. I do know some people who have, and if
you were to ride with them you would quickly learn that; a Hummer would not
last long with these folks, much less a Toyota, Ford or Chevy, or even a
human.
However they aren't without their draw backs. A front end collision at even
10 miles per hour, will end up costing at least 1,000$ to fix. The front
bumpers, grill assembly and subassembly, appear to be made with something a
little stronger than heavy tin foil. The rear bumper is not much stronger,
and we live in mortal fear of even a minor little front end crash. Then
their is the issue parts prices; many new Toyotas are built with quite a few
American made parts, i.e. GM, and still they want a mint for them, and I do
not see that changing. As for will they be available in 10 or 20 years, I
see no problem. I know folks with FJ40s, and late 70 early Corollas &
Celica's, having no problems getting parts; even speed parts.  Do things
break on Toyotas, yes they do, do they break on other cars, yes they do.
Personally, I will not own any small front wheel drive car of any make, I
have not had very good luck with them, always something bending or breaking
, or needing to be lined up.
Well I have about beat this subj. to death. I love my big old 98! Best to
you all!
Rick Messenger
76 98 LS coupe
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From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Andy's on a rant again


> BUT... you have not any problems for the first 5-10 years, now, when the
> things start to brake down.... big cash in is view.
> I looked at the Corolla SW for my wife, but it is too narrow, the same
class
> 307 or Laguna are +- 4" wider. Why those Japanies consider that we dont't
> need any extra elbow space? Most of oriental cars are too narrow for may
> taste, my 81CS being at the low limit of my preferences, Delta RWD being
the
> optimum one...
> OTOH, the front brake pads are usd 100 at the Toyota prices list..?! Do
they
> publish them to frighten people! Succesfulle as for me...
> rgds
> Matt
> 81CS
> > I have done plenty of repairs on a Toy*ta with half the miles
> > and half the years of my 79 Olds.  Fixing plastic (think
> > radiator, hood rod, door handle, etc) things or
> > bearings (VERY PRICEY) that never break on my Olds.
> > Every part was expensive and hard to work on, compared
> > to my Olds.  Now if you just want a disposable car, fine.
> >
> > Bruce Roe
> >
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 20:22:00 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: OCA Nats Pics

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One of the guys in our Chapter took a picture of basically every car at the 
Nats this year.  He does a nice job. Check out his link::

<http://public.fotki.com/scotts/oldsmobile/oca_national_show_2004/>http://public.fotki.com/scotts/oldsmobile/oca_national_show_2004/

Joe Varley
     AZ 
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One of the guys in our Chapter took a picture of basically every car at
the Nats this year.&nbsp; He does a nice job. Check out his
link::<br><br>
<font face="arial" size=2><a href="http://public.fotki.com/scotts/oldsmobile/oca_national_show_2004/">http://public.fotki.com/scotts/oldsmobile/oca_national_show_2004/</a><br><br>
Joe Varley<br>
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 01:55:15 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE:easy Windshield removal/replacement

"Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net> wrote:

>Hi all,
>My windshield leaks in the 71, and needs to be re-sealed. 

Hi Chris
Save your money,do a good job.
Its like riding a bike once you have done this once its easy as pie.
I have done many...the 76 i once had,,,the 72 Race car,,,the ex gurls frt and rear glasses. 2x1966 cars.
Its sorta fun for me now ,i like doing them.
Go to glass shop buy 2 tubes of Buytle(i ferget how to speel that)blk goopy stuffs ya never get off yer hands)for your silicone gun.Also get the 3/8 x 3/8 x appox 16ft(perimeter of winder length i ferget how long that is) strip of this same material.
First park it facing south on a hot sunny day,remove chrome trim and inter moulding,use long Olfa knife(exacto blade long) to cut blk goopy stuffs from inside and outside winder as much as possible.
Then take a old guitar string or new and feed it threw one spot(hole) you made for this purpose.
One person outside car and one person inside car pull wire sawing the blk goopy stuff all the way around winder....now it will seal up again as you go cause its hot and sticky.
If you can(i borrow them from work)get some large suction cups to hold/pull window out, a third person inside car can help to lay steady pressure pushing out as the two of you saw.
I have dome this all by myself before(i gots LONG ARMS!:)
I know it sounds like a pain but it not really,just dont scratch or chip or drag the wire too much on the edge of the window..avoid this as much as possible.And of course the window dont like to bend so SLOW  even pressure all around to unstuick it from frame.
Now the reason i said to buy the tube and the strip is, i understand that there is a drain channel around window,have ya ever noticed on the highway the water comeing off window does not wrap/flow around the roof or the doors,its suppose to drain channel down and away.
Well i dont agree with this design.
Some just use the tube of black glue or just the strip with two sided tape,either tube(silicone gun) a bead around to reinstall or peel the double sided paper from ready made strip to reinstall winder.
I feel the strip or the bead is not good enough for the water/rust problem,,,ya see we live in a rain forest here :)..lol
I use the strip,install window, then fill up against the strip under my windshield with silicone gun of the same blk Buytle flush with edge of winshield,this should use one tube.
Then i go further,,i fill the entire drain channel around perimeter with this blk goopy stuffs(WEAR GLOVES IT WONT COME OFF HANDS EASY!)
Take a good look in that drain channel when ya get your window out one way or another you wont want water in there again rotting your car,i never had a problem with it not draining the way they designed it too.
If ya got any holes see if buddy will come over and weld/patch this for ya.The auto nightmare store carries this blk stuffs but see if ya can find a glass shop to sell it to you the pros have better materials.
Also how faded is your orig windshield upper blu visor?,,are there any stone chips that could spread?
The new thinner windshields have a nice DEEP BLU  tint on top,i got one fairly cheap,good time to consider this.
If i was closer i would be there to help for a case of beer and pizza :)
Good luck!
Randy(its only hard till ya do it once)H.
Maple Ditch B.C.
 

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 02:05:56 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: OCA Nats Pics

Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net> wrote:

>One of the guys in our Chapter took a picture of basically every car at the 
>Nats this year.  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Why is there always tons of 57s but only 3 58s?
The Black convert 58 was Beautiful,i see A.C. and airride suspension!,,,Thanks for the pics!
Randy H.
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1087776549405_Untitled1.jpg 
  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1091861692919_0829_002.jpg 


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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:16:12 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Heater control valve again.

As Fred says, the inline valve failures are MUCH easier to deal with.

Bruce (failed valve 800 miles from home) Roe

15 Sep 2004  "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> had very few fail.  My b*tch with the OE Olds valve is how difficult 
> it is to change if it fails.  I have had several that could not be
removed 
> in tact without removing the distributor and lots of other stuff. 

> The in line valve is just a lot easier to deal with.  
> Two hose clamps....

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 09:38:08 -0400
From: "Bill Reilly" <william.reilly@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Andy's on a rant again

Just my $0.02

My 2000 Intrigue just passed 114,000 miles. I've only had 2 service issues,
and those happened early under warranty.  It's a low maintanence car, just
regular oil changes. I haven't even changed the spark plugs and I still get
26 mpg. So far it's treated me well and I've been impressed with it's
quality.  Unfortuantely, I will never be able to buy a new Oldsmobile again
.

Bill Reilly

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 12:58:09 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Andy's on a rant again

At Thursday, 16 September 2004, you wrote:

>Just my $0.02
>
>My 2000 Intrigue just passed 114,000 miles. I've only had 
>2 service issues, and those happened early under warranty. 
>It's a low maintanence car, just regular oil changes. I 
>haven't even changed the spark plugs and I still get 26 
>mpg.

You should at least remove and reinstall the plugs every 2 years 
or about 35,000 miles, in my opinion. That's because they can build 
up carbon gunk on the inner threads, making them extremely hard to 
get outta the head. My '88 fullsized wagon with 307 appeared to have 
its original plugs when I bought it, with 200K already on it. It 
DID have its original 1988-vintage wires on it, as IDed by the date 
code on them  ;o\

SteveH



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