
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 19 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5064



Drumroll please.... OCA results are in....
Re: 4-spd swap
Muncie supplier
Muncie supplier #2
RE: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
RE: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: Muncie supplier
Re: 4-spd speedo cable woes & cautions
Re: museum visit
Re: Muncie supplier
Re: Muncie supplier
Re: Muncie supplier
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Air Cleaner paint
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: Muncie supplier
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: more MSD headaches
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: Muncie supplier
Re: 4-spd speedo cable woes & cautions
Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:48:01 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Drumroll please.... OCA results are in....

If they judged my car, they could never find EVERYTHING 
that is not original.  I would like to have something from 
every year 66 to 82.  Plus a mix of gas and diesel parts, 
and some extra duty stuff you couldn't buy.  When they 
sneer, I just laugh and note over 300,000 miles on the 
odometer.  THAT is what a car is for.  Most don't even 
have a digit in that position.  

Bruce Roe

18 Oct 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:
> Well, the results are in from the 2004 OCA judging.
> 1966 442 L69 tricarb car, manual trans, 3.90 gearing.
> 
> They sent the award and judging sheet certified mail. It was here 
> Saturday, 
> but apparently the mail man was too lazy to bring it to the house. 
> We were 
> here in the house all day, no one knocked that I know of. So, I get 
> to go 
> down to the station to sign for it this morning.
> 
> And the results:
> 
> Second Place!  with 856 points!
> 
> That's super. As well as I expected to get. Points off for what?
> 
> -10 Body: Fender emblems are both "bad," trunk molding rusted- yeah 
> kinda 
> tough to find NOS ones.
> L Door is blemished.
> 
> -20 Paint: nothing in particular mentioned, overall quality perhaps?
> 
> -30 Exterior brightwork: Top stainless needs redone [?], Front 
> bumper 
> corroded, Rear bumper wavy. Is it really worth $1800 for Memmer's 
> NOS 
> undercoated bumpers to gain maybe 20 pts here? Not for a driven car.
> 
> -8 Exterior Glass & "software" [I didn't even know a 1966 car needed 
> 
> "software"]: RH vent glass discolored, chrome trim needs cleanup.
> 
> -10 Engine Compartment: Rusty manifolds [imagine that! on a driven 
> car!], 
> Wrong fan belt, wrong radiator cap, wrong master cylinder.
> 
> -15 interior: Wrong radio knobs [??? That's what was on the original 
> AM 
> radio when it came to us- seems rather unlikely that someone would 
> change 
> the knobs unless the radio were removed. Have to look into that I 
> guess. Who 
> has a close pic of "correct" 1966 radio knobs?]
> ...Cracked steering wheel [duh, ever seen one that -isn't-? Not 
> since oh 
> 1970 you haven't. FAR better than the one we started with though, 
> this one 
> still shows its little ribs where the hand grip portions are. Again, 
> NOS 
> ones are a LEEE-TLE hard to come by.
> ...Missing GM tag on RH door [I thought only the LH door got that 
> tag for 
> 1966- have to ck the photos of the car as-rcvd I guess].
> ...Latch screws painted [Doh! Damn painters. They wanted to leave 
> the doors 
> on to "save work" too.]
> ...Tach case should be black [what, it's not?].
> ...Dashboard/ Console showing wear [yeah, imagine that, a 35 year 
> old car 
> with wear.]
> ...Sail panel fit [darn headliner guy said "that's the way they all 
> are"]
> All things considered, very generous, not much deduction for this 
> area 
> considering its age.
> Dunno about them radio knobs though.
> 
> -20 Tires, wheels, coverings: "Wrong" tires, yeah, we opted for 15" 
> radials 
> for drivability over exactly per original.
> 
> -21 Undercarriage and fenderwells: Wrong tailpipes [Walt was not 
> offering 
> them at the time this car was assembled].
> ...Mufflers are dirty [yeah, we dared to drive the car]
> Imagine what the car will look like after 2 more years of DRIVING 
> it, that's 
> exactly why I very much needed THIS YEAR's judging to take place as 
> per our 
> agreement.
> 
> -10 Trunk compartment: Incorrect paint. [??? in what way? Exact 
> nature or 
> size of the random blobs of white vs. gray? That's what is sold 
> these days 
> as correct for this type car, what more can one do?]
> 
> A few erasures, looks like all to the benfit of the score. 
> "Supportive 
> Literature" was -15, then erased. I forget what all we had- Chassis 
> Service 
> manual, Assembly Manual, and the DVD display of many photos, for 
> sure.
> 
> It would have taken another 50 points [almost] to move to First 
> Place, Let's 
> see, if one were to:
> 
> 20 correct tailpipes
> 05 Radio knobs and tach case color
> 20 NOS bumpers for a mere $1800
> 10 replace RH vent glass, clean trim, de-rust manifolds, get correct 
> fan 
> belt and rad cap, re-do the original master cylinder, and then
> 
> NEVER EVER DRIVE IT AGAIN.
> 
> Shyeah, right. Like that'll happen.
> 
> They missed a few obvious things, don't wanna tip my hand on ALL of 
> them, 
> but the oil fill cap was painted engine color [should be black], 
> etc.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 04:40:26 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: 4-spd swap

Okay, it sounds like I'd be best off with a 
wide-ratio Muncie with an Olds case. Can I just 
mosey down to Aamco and ask them to order me one? 
I suspect those gearboxes I find in the local 
classified won't be Olds units. I wonder if 
they'd notice I turned in a non-Olds core.

John


>So, you willing to give me an opinion on the car's driveability if I
>stick with the current, numerically-low rear end and put in the
>Muncie wide ratio? Am I going to the bogging a bit starting out
>unless I beat the cr*p out of the clutch?
>============================
>Wide Ratio trans M20 goes with economy gears.
>M21 close ratio goes with sporty gears.
>
>Here's the way I see it:
>Top gear is 1:1 either way
>Wide ratio means 1st gear is lower, numericaly 
>higher, more tork amplification available.
>That is needed if you do NOT have the sporty geared final drive.
>Less tork mult at rear... need more in the trans.
>
>Conversely, if you already have plenty of tork 
>multiplication in the final drive, like 3.90 to 
>4.33.... then you do not need a really low 1st 
>gear to take off with. So, you use the "close 
>ratio" M21 trans.
>
>CBWitt.
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN 
>Search! 
>http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:15:29 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Muncie supplier

These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's available 
with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool. They also have parts 
and a rebuild-it-yourself video.

http://www.5speeds.com/newm22.html


I'll email them and ask if they have cases with the speedo drive on 
the right side.

John "Banging Gears for 40 Years" Livingston
alas, mostly in VWs!

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 05:49:33 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Muncie supplier #2

Another source. No rebuilt units yet, though.

http://www.muncie4speed.com

John

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:09:17 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

Sorry but that's just ugly.


- -----Original Message-----


It does exist - one of the regular car rags - Hot Rod, Pop. Hot
Rodding, Car Craft - had and article on it. They actually got to drive
it. Pretty neat car. Looks like the '68 'Sting Ray' 'Vette, but was a
1964, with A-body suspension.
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/96898/

krw

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:11:28 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

In a message dated 10/18/04 9:49:21 PM Pacific  Daylight Time,  
jkopf@optonline.net writes:
Same deal in New York. If  your insurance lapses and the tags are not turned
in a) civil penalties are  incurred and b) your license is suspended.

You cannot cancel a insurance  policy without getting a receipt from DMV for
your plates.

Worst part  if stopped while under suspension new fines and a 50% surcharge
on your  insurance for the next 39 months.  

I have been kind of half-heartedly following this thread and it made me  
wonder why all of the states don't do this.  In Missouri, the less  honorable sort 
buy insurance on their junkers, then promptly cancel the  insurance after 
obtaining their license plates, and drive around freely   WITH NO INSURANCE AT 
ALL until their plates expire, even though Missouri law  clearly states that all 
licensed cars have to maintain insurance at all  times.  I was hit by one of 
these jerks a few years ago, driving a POS, no  insurance, no ID, no driver's 
license.  After he hit me (his fault), but  before the police arrived, one of 
his "brothers" drove up and removed a big  plastic trash bag from his trunk.  
Gee, and I thought he was frantically  calling the police after he hit me so 
he could file an accident report.   Even though the guy received several 
citations, and the accident was clearly his  fault, my insurance ended up paying to 
get my car fixed, and even though I have  to pay for uninsured and 
underinsured motorists with every premium payment, my  insurance went up due to this 
accident.  Because of this incident, I think  I would rather see the 
over-regulation that your state has, rather than the way  that Missouri handles it now.  At 
least you know what you're contending  with.
Steve D

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Lentz <TOM@pebkac.us>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

To those of you living in the fascist eastern sates, what do you do about
insurance in the winter?  When I put my car away for the winter, I call my
insurance co and have them suspend everything but comprehensive/theft.  A
simple call in the spring reverses that.  Do you just pay the liability
insurance and not use it?  Turn in your plates or get new ones every 6
months?

Of course, I also don't understand why my liability insurance goes up with
additional cars.  I can only *drive* one at a time, same amount of driving
time whether I have 1 or 100 cars...

Tom Lentz
(WA State)

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:54:47 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: speaking of license suspensions..

Steve

Even with the over regulation we have a huge problem with uninsured drivers.
There is one town locally that I know of that it is estimated that 40% of
the cars do not have insurance. Statewide I would suspect the # to be about
15%. Some of these laws only serve to penalize those that try and obey them.
I also pay for uninsured in my premium. And like your situation under the
same circumstances my rates would rise.

I'm not a gun owner but it all seems to follow along the same lines. Laws
and regulations only limit those that try and follow them. The people that
live outside of the rules don't really care. Fine them and most won't pay,
pull a license and they will still drive. Old line was locks keep honest
people honest. Think many laws and regulations fall into the same category.

Major twist of the last 10-20 years is that the fines are counted on as a
source of revenue. Just another tax.

Jack

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 10:11 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


In a message dated 10/18/04 9:49:21 PM Pacific  Daylight Time,
jkopf@optonline.net writes:
Same deal in New York. If  your insurance lapses and the tags are not turned
in a) civil penalties are  incurred and b) your license is suspended.

You cannot cancel a insurance  policy without getting a receipt from DMV for
your plates.

Worst part  if stopped while under suspension new fines and a 50% surcharge
on your  insurance for the next 39 months.

I have been kind of half-heartedly following this thread and it made me
wonder why all of the states don't do this.  In Missouri, the less
honorable sort
buy insurance on their junkers, then promptly cancel the  insurance after
obtaining their license plates, and drive around freely   WITH NO INSURANCE
AT
ALL until their plates expire, even though Missouri law  clearly states that
all
licensed cars have to maintain insurance at all  times.  I was hit by one of
these jerks a few years ago, driving a POS, no  insurance, no ID, no
driver's
license.  After he hit me (his fault), but  before the police arrived, one
of
his "brothers" drove up and removed a big  plastic trash bag from his trunk.
Gee, and I thought he was frantically  calling the police after he hit me so
he could file an accident report.   Even though the guy received several
citations, and the accident was clearly his  fault, my insurance ended up
paying to
get my car fixed, and even though I have  to pay for uninsured and
underinsured motorists with every premium payment, my  insurance went up due
to this
accident.  Because of this incident, I think  I would rather see the
over-regulation that your state has, rather than the way  that Missouri
handles it now.  At
least you know what you're contending  with.
Steve D

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:29:27 -0400
From: <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Tom Lentz wrote:

To those of you living in the fascist eastern sates, what do you do about insurance in the winter?  
***

I've never understood this philosophy, unless you live in an area where the snow/salt are all winter long.  I drive my car all year.  I do not drive it in the rain or snow or if salt has been used on the roads recently.  Hell, the car runs better with the cold air of winter...

Kurt Heinrich
OCA# 30442
'71 Cutlass Supreme SX Convertible

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:43:17 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

At Tuesday, 19 October 2004, you wrote:

>To those of you living in the fascist eastern sates, what do 
>you do about insurance in the winter?  When I put my car 
>away for the winter, I call my insurance co and have them 
>suspend everything but comprehensive/theft.

I don't know whether Geico will allow "suspended" insurance like 
that but it's an idea for me.....

But they will and HAVE raised my rates when I stopped coverage on 
one car for awhile then renewed it again later after it became roadworthy 
once again.

>Of course, I also don't understand why my liability insurance 
>goes up with additional cars.  I can only *drive* one at a time, 
>same amount of driving time whether I have 1 or 100 cars...

Sounds like a racket to me. Only time they should be charging is 
for stuff like comprehensive and collision. Maybe they're figuring 
that even though the car sits in yer driveway not being driven, they'll 
still be liable for a claim if, for example, the parking pawl in 
the tranny breaks while yer at work and it rolls outta the driveway 
and hits someone passing by  ;o\

That was one of the scenarios that worried my dad so many years ago 
with my unregistered/uninsured vehicles sitting in our driveway: 
that one the cars would roll down the driveway and wind up inside 
the naybore's house across the street, possibly as a result of an 
earthquake dislodging tire blocks  ;o(((((((

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:52:57 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier

Here's the reply I got from them re a unit with the speedo output on 
the right side.

Seems that that is all they have.

Any comments?

Our units are only set up with the speedo output on the passenger 
side, opposite of the linkage. These are all new transmissions.  We 
can build you a correct transmission for the 1968 year, for $1795.00. 
This would have a 26 spline input, but 27 spline output to be correct 
for a 1968 shifter and driveshaft. Shipping is $95.00

Paul Cangialosi
www.5speeds.com Creators of the JT5 5 speed!

>These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's available 
>with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool. They also have parts 
>and a rebuild-it-yourself video.
>
>http://www.5speeds.com/newm22.html
>
>
>I'll email them and ask if they have cases with the speedo drive on 
>the right side.
>
>John "Banging Gears for 40 Years" Livingston
>alas, mostly in VWs!


- -- 
John Livingston
Library Media Specialist
Phillips Elementary
703 Lemaster Drive
Hampton, VA 23669
757 850 5155

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:05:10 EDT
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-spd speedo cable woes & cautions

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I have an early M-20 with left side speedo cable, a shifter from a 66 442 in 
my 64 442 and have no clearance problems, figure that one out. Not only that, 
the engine block is a 65 400 from a 65 442, but the heads are 67 C versions. 
Thie diff is an 8.2 BOP from a 67 GTO. The latter 2 are not a problem when 
shifting either.

Sean

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:15:48 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: museum visit

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In a message dated 10/18/2004 9:20:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
bcroe@juno.com writes:

With the  differential in front, I wonder how the trans could 
ever be in the  rear?  



I was wondering where they put the trans in an all wheel drive  vehicle.
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:41:12 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier

> I'll email them and ask if they have cases with the speedo drive on
> the right side.


John,

I suspect the left side speedo gear/shift linkage problem is peculiar to
Olds 4-speeds with Olds factory linkage for some reason. I'm sure that a
standard GM 4-speed with a Hurst Competition Plus shifter for your car will
not have any problem with a left side speedo gear.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:44:22 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier

> These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's available
> with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool.


Jesus H. Christ! We sold brand new Muncies at the speed shop in 1975 ranging
from $175 to $250.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:06:30 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier

At Tuesday, 19 October 2004, you wrote:

>>These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's 
>>available with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool.
>
>Jesus H. Christ! We sold brand new Muncies at the speed 
>shop in 1975 ranging from $175 to $250.

Uhhh.... I don't think so; that was about the going rate for good 
USED ones out in LA in the early '70s. A used one needing rebuild 
could be found for $60, I bought three of them once for a total of 
$150 and after rebuilding them, resold them for $150 each. By the 
time I had a '66 Galaxy 7L (428) 4-speed convertible in '76, even 
a used Frod Super Top-Loader for that car was real hard to find for 
less than $500; I finally lucked out and happened to walk into Carline 
at the exact same moment that Roger was carrying a freshly-rebuilt 
Super Top Loader to the display racks at "just" $350. New Muncie 
input shafts cost me around $42 and clusters ran somewhere between 
$50 and $75. Even synchro kits required some hard consideration at 
$10-$15, in those days.

And a completely-refurbished Frod 3-speed manual for the '65/'66 
Stangs could be bought from Sears for $250. I blew half a dozen of 
those things within a year until finally selling the car for $250.
The buyer, a high school kid, had his mom buy him a refurbished 
tranny from Sears that I installed while they went to lunch  ;o|

And I never did buy my very own brandy-spanky-new Competition Plus 
simply because the dang thangs were already $175 in the early '70s 
and by the time I really wanted a new one a few years later, were 
over $250.

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:26:56 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

> Major twist of the last 10-20 years is that the fines are counted on as a
> source of revenue. Just another tax.

Jack is 1000% perfectly correct. It's all a tax gimmick, hidden away from
the public as a safety or law enforcement issue.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

"There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is
the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough
criminals, one 'makes' them. One declares so many things to be a crime that
it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a
nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just
pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor
objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers and then you
cash in on the guilt."
        -- Ayn Rand, ATLAS SHRUGGED

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the
argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
        --William Pitt (1783)

"I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a
man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle."
        --Winston Churchill

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:13:40 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Air Cleaner paint

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Greetings everyone
 
I am redoing the air cleaner on my 68 H/O
 
Is the paint supposed to be gloss black?    or  60%  gloss?   
 
Thanks 
 
Vinny
68 H/O  with a  new  air cleaner
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:50:34 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Man, you Yankees sure put up with a lot of crap.
That kinda BS legislation would be shot down in an instant here in TX 
(I hope!)
If it's not insured, it's just not insured. If you drive uninsured and 
get caught, you get a big fat fine (4-digit.)
If it doesn't pass inspection (emissions), you just don't get a sticker 
- - no taking of licenses and such.
Geez, what a bunch of bureaucrats.

I once got busted driving my RX-7 with out-of-date registration, 
inspection, and insurance (had just fixed it, took it to work just the 
ONE day...)
Had 10 or 15 days to get the reg and inspection done, and showed them 
that my other car was insured (can't believe that they accepted that!) 
$20 in court fees, and I was free and legal. I like TX. The only auto 
thing that I have a problem with is liability insurance - you have to 
have it on each car, rather than on each driver. So, despite the fact 
that I can only drive one car at a time, I have to keep liability on 2 
cars. Compared to the stuff you guys are saying, though, I'll put up 
with it. :)

krw
On Oct 18, 2004, at 10:30 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:14:24 -0400
> From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
> Subject: speaking of license suspensions..
>
>> Happened to a friend of mine put off the testing and forgot about
>> it got pulled over and bam without warning got arrested for
>> suspended license. They never told him he was suspended! It
>> is up to you to know if you are or not. Nice!
>
> Bummer. Here in Connecticut they have a new trick. I had a beater 
> Lincoln
> registered in my name that I no longer wanted to drive. Let the 
> insurance
> lapse. Insurance company notifies Motor Vehicle Dept that car is not
> insured. MVD mails me a notice that insurance has lapsed, which I 
> ignored.
> However, failure to return the registration plates resulted in my 
> license
> being suspended. By the time I found out about it the fine was $340. 
> Ouch.
>
> drc
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:15:12 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier

>  > These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's available
>>  with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool.
>
>
>Jesus H. Christ! We sold brand new Muncies at the speed shop in 1975 ranging
>from $175 to $250.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com

Yeah. Next you're going to tell me what a 68 442 ragtop went for in 
1975. All numbers-matching, and original, too!

John
68 442 convt. with NOTHING matching

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:50:37 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Uhh . . since when?

Maybe I missed something, but I know I've turned in plates that I've found
in my cars and couldn't remember what cars they originally belonged to nor
how long it'd been since they were last used, and have not had a problem.

I think I have a few sets of license plates in the garage right now that I
was planning on turning in the next chance I got...

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

At 07:36 PM 10/18/04 -0400, Ron wrote:
>jersey is the same way.
>ron
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
>> Same deal in New York. If your insurance lapses and the tags are not turned
>> in a) civil penalties are incurred and b) your license is suspended.
>> 
>> You cannot cancel a insurance policy without getting a receipt from DMV for
>> your plates.
>> 
>> Worst part if stopped while under suspension new fines and a 50% surcharge
>> on your insurance for the next 39 months.

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:54:30 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:46 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:58:19 -0700
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: Re: more MSD headaches
>
> Hmmmm, that's interesting, when your buddy's Jacobs "craps" it's self, 
> does
> he get in in the shorts? HA HA HA.

Pretty much! :) It's not under warranty any more, so.... $$

> I would be interested to hear about Crane products.

Pretty much the same as MSD, only different :P
More or less the same feature sets, comparable price.
I hear iffy things about MSD's reliability, backed up by the fact that 
Nelson Tech can make them better. Then again, some other guys have 
never had an MSD fail. It must be noted that many of the installs are 
under-hood, and that's a pretty harsh environment, not to mention I'd 
bet there are plenty of ham-fisted installs out there ("I shorted power 
and ground together and it don't werk no more. What a piece!")
At least part of my leaning toward Crane is that *everyone* has an MSD. 
Can't be having that when one of my reasons for having an Olds is that 
*everyone* has a Chevy... :D
I mean, come on - I'm all about different: Mac instead of Windows, Olds 
instead of Chevy (or Ford), rotary (RX-7) instead of pistons, (soon to 
be) turbo small block instead of big block...
Mind you, I don't get *too* far away from the mainstream; just enough 
to be a little to one side of the herd. :D

krw
> Rick.
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: more MSD headaches
>
>
>> I haven't been too impressed with Jacobs products in the rotary (RX-7)
>> world. My buddy's seems to crap itself every couple of years or so.
>> I'm looking at Crane, myself.
>>
>> krw
>>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:11:16 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Listmembers,

I'll chime in on this.  It is absurd to require you to have liability 
insurance on more vehicles than you have licensed drivers in the household.  For 
instance, there's only two drivers in the Snyder household but four licensed 
vehicles (one Starfire, one RX-7 and two trucks) -- in Kansas you have to show the 
actual insurance card before you get a tag.  In 1981 I was temporarily 
stationed in Memphis, Tennessee and bought insurance there when my Kansas policy 
expired -- they let you pay by the month (which fit a PFC's monthly budget better) 
in Tennessee where Kansas didn't.  Two months after doing this, I got a call 
from my mother saying the Highway Patrol came to the house and wanted the 
plate off of the car!  After I called them with the insurance policy number and 
agent's number everything was OK.

On a slightly related note, you pay your personal property taxes on a vehicle 
when you tag it every year, so they are assured of getting their money.  
Recently the furor here has been that the state began collecting personal property 
and sales taxes on used vehicles based on their own calculated data and not 
on the actual selling price (between private individuals only) in order to 
crack down on people saying they paid much less than they actually did.  Problem 
is they don't take into account things like high mileage or damage -- it's a 
really big issue here.

Getting back to the insurance thing, why not tie liability insurance to your 
driver's license?  After all, _you're_ the "liable" party, not the vehicle.  
Here's why -- insurance companies would really take it in the shorts.  With us, 
that'd be a fifty per cent decrease in premiums paid!  They said here in 
Kansas that they were looking into giving illegal immigrants the ability to get 
driver's licenses, saying that they'd "be more responsible and get insurance" -- 
what a crock!  People here legally drive without a license, people here 
legally with licenses don't get insurance.  And who gets fleeced when they have an 
accident?  All the legally-driving, insurance-paying people do (can you tell 
this is a pet peeve of mine???)

Anyway, I'll sign this off and read what others have to say about this.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:20:00 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier

> Uhhh.... I don't think so; that was about the going rate for good
> USED ones out in LA in the early '70s.

Sorry, maybe from LA, but not at our speed shop in Independence, MO. I know
where we bought them from. We sold M20s for $175, M21s for $200, and M22s
for $250, from 1970 to 1975. Borg-Warner T-10s were $200 and Super T-10s
were $250. In all cases, the 4-speeds came direct from the manufacturer.
:-))))))))))))))))))))))

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver,com

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:21:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 4-spd speedo cable woes & cautions

> I have an early M-20 with left side speedo cable, a shifter from a 66 442
in
> my 64 442 and have no clearance problems, figure that one out. Not only
that,
> the engine block is a 65 400 from a 65 442, but the heads are 67 C
versions.
> Thie diff is an 8.2 BOP from a 67 GTO. The latter 2 are not a problem when
> shifting either.


Sounds very good to me.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:46:31 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

looks more like the result of 1968 firebird  hitting a 69 stingray at a speed we could only imagine 
and the end result was a car that came with a barf bag.
ugly is a understatement
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:09 AM
Subject: RE: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car


> Sorry but that's just ugly.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> It does exist - one of the regular car rags - Hot Rod, Pop. Hot
> Rodding, Car Craft - had and article on it. They actually got to drive
> it. Pretty neat car. Looks like the '68 'Sting Ray' 'Vette, but was a
> 1964, with A-body suspension.
> http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/96898/
>
> krw
>
>
> 

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