
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 13 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5055



Miller Time-ing set
Re: more MSD headaches
Re: Re:
Re: Non Olds Humor
Re: Non Olds Humor
Re: Non Olds Humor
Re: more MSD headaches
Re: Miller Time-ing set
Non Olds but important Paypal scam info
Moving a car advice, Ohio to Boston.
Re: Miller Time-ing set
Re: Miller Time-ing set
Re: more MSD headaches
`93 88 Royale surging cold
TH 350 behind a 455
Re: more MSD headaches
Re: Convertible Top Woes
Re: Convertible Top Woes
Re: Olds engine mount bolt boss
Re: Miller Time-ing set
Re: `93 88 Royale surging cold
Re: Convertible Top Woes
[none]
Re: Non Olds Humor
Re: Non Olds Humor
Re: Non Olds but important Paypal scam info
Re: Non Olds Humor
Re: Re:
Re: `93 88 Royale surging cold
Re:
What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:46:32 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Miller Time-ing set

One of the bits that I need to complete my new engine parts pyramid 
is the timing set. I've been studying the Miller Racing catalog. He 
doesn't recommend roller sets for the street for some unnamed reason. 
He's got a non-roller set for $67 (DMR-5001) that has four, 
one-degree increments either way for degreeing the cam. Given my 
current experience, I'm tempted (Milton, don't look!) to go with his 
two-piece timing cover plate, for $89.

Opinions would be appreciated.

This is for a strictly street, (hopefully) daily driver.

Here's a link to the timing set
http://www.dickmillerracing.com/cgi-local/SoftCart.100.exe/online-store/scstore/p-DMR-5001.html?L+scstore+mpvz6446ff189318+1121823199

He doesn't seem to show the split cover on the web site.

John
68 442 convt.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:03:16 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:46:09 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

I put a brand new cap and rotor on it when I put on the MSD external
coil, so that shouldn't be it. As you mentioned, the only wires now
connected to the distributor are the pickup leads. I'm thinking it's
time to get a bunch of neighbors to help me push the damned thing
into the garage. It's probably also time to put that other engine
together.
====================
"the only wires now connected to the distributor are the pickup leads"

Did you get the input I made about the pickup coil leads flexing to death?

You said when you ran w/o vac advance it was better, eh?
No flexing of the leads.

Surely you have an extra HEI sitting around, or one of your friends does?
Stab another HEI in there, and see if that doesn't cure it.
Pickup coil asm. from Type C HEI works just fine
I bet a brand new one is only like $20.

CBWitt

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:17:35 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re:

don't forget the matador, ugly as well
Ron
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From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:23 AM
Subject: Re: Re:


> At 09:55 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>What.........? Steve, you mean to tell me that you didn't like the AMC
>>Pacer?  Why , that's a classic! LOL
> 
> 1. That was designed and made here in the good ole US of A.
> 2. It was RWD.
> 
> But no, I didn't think of the Pacer and no, I never liked the looks of
> them. However, I DID sorta like the exterior looks of the ole Matadors the
> LA cops used to have. Those could be fairly quick, a guy I used to know
> with a '69 Z28 got run down by one  ;o(((
> 
> SteveH
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:21:28 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

German engineering sucks, hard as hell to work on and always broken. 
then there's the cost of the parts to fix it, better refinance the house
Ron
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From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:39 AM
Subject: Non Olds Humor


> 11 Oct 2004  "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net> writes:
>> the American Auto industry has bested the mighty 
>> Germans, and now is in the number 2 spot where 
>> reliability is concerned. 
> 
> What year were the Germans EVER as reliable as 
> American autos, or Olds in particular?  My first 62 was 
> German, and it was constantly broken.  Even their 
> own mechanics couldn't fix it correctly.  What a piece 
> of s**t, finished at 50,000 miles.  I got a 62 Olds and 
> have been driving Olds ever since.  The Olds I drove 
> today made 300, 000 miles without seeing a tow 
> truck, and is still working for a living.  
> 
> Bruce Roe
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 08:22:51 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

they can keep the world car, i want a gas guzzling 455 in a real car.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor


> Well...., it's the era of the "world" car.
> 
> Rick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:07 PM
> Subject: RE: Non Olds Humor
> 
> 
>> The suspension & frame in my MR2 Spyder is from Porsche (same as the
>> Boxster).
>> 
>> John Nasta
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> I have found it interesting the extent that GM and Toyota are in bed
>> together. Many of the parts in my Toys. are from GM, or from their
>> subsidiaries.
>> 
>> 
> 
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:38:06 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

At Tuesday, 12 October 2004, you wrote:
>The wise product engineer should know when to improve a 
>product and when to leave the product alone. Unfortunately, 
>there aren't too many wise ones.

Actually, most of us ARE wise enough... but we're also wiser in that 
we know when not to argue with the beancounters who write our paychecks 
and the managers who sign them, both of whom are usually wise enough 
to know not to argue with the company's prexy, who is wise enough 
to brownnose every shareholder and stockholder of the company.

THAT'S the REAL problem: all the shareholders, stock holders, and 
investors who want more, more, more. Nobody's willing to settle for 
"I've got enough to be comfy, let it be now".

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:42:57 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

At Tuesday, 12 October 2004, you wrote:
>>>Any suggestions, other than turning in my shade-tree mechanic
>>>license, would be appreciated.
.......
>I owe you at least a beer or two for typing all that CSM stuff below!

Thanks; but the return of yer shade-tree license will suffice for 
now  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:45:07 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Miller Time-ing set

At Tuesday, 12 October 2004, you wrote:

>One of the bits that I need to complete my new engine parts 
>pyramid is the timing set. I've been studying the Miller 
>Racing catalog. He doesn't recommend roller sets for the 
>street for some unnamed reason.

I presume you mean double-roller, since the cheapest ones are all 
single-roller. I'd like to know why; Milton or anybody else, ideas???

>He's got a non-roller set for $67 (DMR-5001) that has four, 
>one-degree increments either way for degreeing the cam.

Frankly, I doubt seriously that even on the strip, in a non-high-
perf application, you'll even be able to tell the difference with 
one-degree shifts. The usual double-roller set comes with a 3-way 
crank sprocket that allows shifting the cam +/-4 degs or TDC.

Ifn you don't want the double-roller set, save yerself some $50 and 
just get the regular Dynagear set.

>Given my current experience, I'm tempted (Milton, don't 
>look!) to go with his two-piece timing cover plate, for $89.

I just asked Milton about his. I'm not sure how the lower portion 
is removable but that's what you take off to move the crank sprocket 
to another position.

BTW, while cleaning up my stock timing cover, I noticed something 
kinda odd. The construction is a large flat plate that forms the 
front cover itself. There is a stamped steel piece that's spot welded 
to the cover at the bottom that forms the lip over the oil pan's 
front seal. What was odd was that there was SEALANT at the junction 
of that spot-welded bracket, and the timing cover itself. The sealant 
kept oil from seeping out between the bracket and front plate of 
the cover. This looked like it was factory but who knows......

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:57:33 -0400
From: "Joe" <w30442@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Non Olds but important Paypal scam info

Sorry about the non Olds content. I know allot of folks on here use Ebay and 
Paypal so I wanted to pass this on. I received two emails, one from "Paypal 
security" (not) and one from "SunTrust Bank" (not again). They both said 
that after a review of my Pay pal account they determined that there was a 
third party accessing my account and I needed to click on the link provided 
to verify my account info. This seemed a bit odd. I contact Paypal and they 
verified that it was bogus and said they would investigate it. Another flag 
was that both emails started off with Dear W30442. Pay pal always uses your 
full name in email and they don't ask you to verify account info. Both these 
emails looked real. So be careful before you respond to any email asking for 
information.
Joe 

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:12:57 EDT
From: Roncutlass@aol.com
Subject: Moving a car advice, Ohio to Boston.

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:30:58 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Miller Time-ing set

> One of the bits that I need to complete my new engine parts pyramid
> is the timing set. I've been studying the Miller Racing catalog. He
> doesn't recommend roller sets for the street for some unnamed reason.


It has nothing to do with engineering or reliability. A roller timing chain
***decreases*** friction on the spocket teeth, making the sprocket teeth and
the chain last a very, very long time. It could even give 1/4-1/2 HP. The
only thing better than a roller timing chain is a gear drive. A roller
timing chain is ideal for the street and all the long miles your engine and
car will hopefully last.

The best double roller timing chain sets are Cloyes, the original inventor
and commercial manufacturer.


> Given my
> current experience, I'm tempted (Milton, don't look!) to go with his
> two-piece timing cover plate, for $89.


It's your call. It will be guaranteed to leak oil at the seal for the 2
halves. It only took about 15 years to finally stop mine from leaking. I
**never** used it. I wound up never having the urge to change the cam
timing. The Crower cam choice was perfect as is. That will be the first
thing replaced if I ever pull Thunder's engine out and install the new oil
pan that I want.


> He doesn't seem to show the split cover on the web site.


I wouldn't either. I'd be too embarrassed to show it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:46:32 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Miller Time-ing set

Thanks, Milton. I knew you'd had trouble with your split cover. Any 
big advantage to the 1 degree increments on the gear?

>  > One of the bits that I need to complete my new engine parts pyramid
>>  is the timing set. I've been studying the Miller Racing catalog. He
>>  doesn't recommend roller sets for the street for some unnamed reason.
>
>
>It has nothing to do with engineering or reliability. A roller timing chain
>***decreases*** friction on the spocket teeth, making the sprocket teeth and
>the chain last a very, very long time. It could even give 1/4-1/2 HP. The
>only thing better than a roller timing chain is a gear drive. A roller
>timing chain is ideal for the street and all the long miles your engine and
>car will hopefully last.
>
>The best double roller timing chain sets are Cloyes, the original inventor
>and commercial manufacturer.
>
>
>>  Given my
>>  current experience, I'm tempted (Milton, don't look!) to go with his
>>  two-piece timing cover plate, for $89.
>
>
>It's your call. It will be guaranteed to leak oil at the seal for the 2
>halves. It only took about 15 years to finally stop mine from leaking. I
>**never** used it. I wound up never having the urge to change the cam
>timing. The Crower cam choice was perfect as is. That will be the first
>thing replaced if I ever pull Thunder's engine out and install the new oil
>pan that I want.
>
>
>>  He doesn't seem to show the split cover on the web site.
>
>
>I wouldn't either. I'd be too embarrassed to show it.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com


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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:54:32 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

>
>====================
>"the only wires now connected to the distributor are the pickup leads"


>
>Did you get the input I made about the pickup coil leads flexing to death?


I did. I soldered in some longer leads and ran 
it, through a brand new MSD grommet, out the 
regular wiring opening.

>
>You said when you ran w/o vac advance it was better, eh?
>No flexing of the leads.

It was misfiring even with the leads relocated. I 
suspect it'd already jumped a tooth or two.

>
>Surely you have an extra HEI sitting around, or one of your friends does?
>Stab another HEI in there, and see if that doesn't cure it.
>Pickup coil asm. from Type C HEI works just fine
>I bet a brand new one is only like $20.

I had a functioning HEI module in their before 
the switch. I may try swapping that back in and 
putting the coil back in the cap, etc., this 
weekend. But I suspect that hain't gonna do it.

>
>CBWitt
>
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:22:56 -0400
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@connect-one.com>
Subject: `93 88 Royale surging cold

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My uncle has a 93 88 Royale with a 3.8 V6.  When he started it cold over 
the summer it would surge at idle but level out after a few seconds.

The weather has cooled off some, so now when it starts cold it'll run a 
couple of seconds and die.  If he revs it up after he starts it it will run 
on it's own after about 30 seconds.  It will still surge and will continue 
to until he's driven it about a mile.

If anyone knows anything I can tell him to check I'd appreciate it.  Is it 
a common problem?

Any websites devoted to this car/platform?

Thanks in advance.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser	80 Cutlass Calais		82 Buick Riviera
67 Cutlass Supreme	87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door	Roanoke, VA

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:41:30 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: TH 350 behind a 455

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    Your       TH 350 behind a 455                                              
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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:48:00 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

At Tuesday, 12 October 2004, you wrote:
>I had a functioning HEI module in their before 
>the switch. I may try swapping that back in and 
>putting the coil back in the cap, etc., this 
>weekend. But I suspect that hain't gonna do it.

The giveaway is not finding the rotor pointing anywhere close to 
#1 in the cap, while the distributor is still set to where the engine 
used to run.

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:21:12 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top Woes

> From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
> Subject: Convertible Top Woes
> 
> So it finally cooled off enough out for me to get back to 
> working on the convertible top. I have now determined that 
> the top I bought from Year One (made by Kee Manufacturing) is 
> cut differently than the top I installed years ago 
> (manufactured by Crown) and WILL NOT fit properly. The sail 
> panel area is 2" wider than the original, and multiple 
> attempts at readjusting it have not been successful in 
> removing the huge wrinkles caused by the extra material.
> 
> Has anyone recently installed a Kee top from Year One, and if 
> so were there any problems with it?
> 
> The only way I know to resolve this problem is to purchase 
> another top from a different manufacturer. I am hoping to 
> locate a vendor who sells Crown tops, but if anyone has 
> recently installed a top from another manufacturer that fit 
> well, I will consider using that manufacturer.
> 
> So let me hear from the convertible owners out there.
> 
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
> 
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:08:04 -0400
> From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Convertible Top Woes
> 
> The top I bought was from Kee (Key?) Manufacturing, which I 
> got on EBay for $115, and then I had it installed by a local shop.
> I thought it came out pretty good:
> http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/68442/
> 
> So it can be done.  I am unsure how they did it though.  
> Hopefully others will respond with suggestions.
> 
> Rob

Yes, that top looks pretty good. On the left side front edge I can see a 
tiny wrinkle, but that looks normal - it's nothing like what I'm dealing with.

How long ago did you purchase the top? I'm curious if mine and yours were made 
near the same time or not.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:42:30 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top Woes

>The only way I know to resolve this problem is to purchase another top from
a
>different manufacturer. I am hoping to locate a vendor who sells Crown
tops,
>but if anyone has recently installed a top from another manufacturer that
fit well,
>I will consider using that manufacturer.

I believe ICP Crown went out of business recently.
Chris

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:48:50 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Olds engine mount bolt boss

> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:01:02 +0000
> From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
> Subject: Re: Olds engine mount bolt boss
> 

> I just cannot believe that the cam gear, as worn as it clearly was,
> actually had just survived TEN runs, each seeing two upshifts between
> 4500-5000, and still lasted over a hundred miles before 
> completely falling apart. The old timing chain sure doesn't fit worth a dang 
> over what's left of that gear.

I'm not surprised at all. The engine in my '70 Supreme had no nylon at all left on the cam gear when I tore it apart, and what remained of the timing gear teeth looked like sharpened shark's teeth! For years, when I put the timing light on it, the mark would move back and forth a half inch it looked like. This was back when I was in high school, when every left hand turn was an opportunity for a tire smoking power slide, and every stoplight was an opportunity for a 5000 RPM blast. I'm sure there were times when I logged at least ten 5000 RPM runs PER DAY, and that went on for years - until some cheap gas and a 5500+ RPM power slide caught up with me, and a top piston ring land fractured. When I tore the engine down I couldn't believe the timing chain had actually stayed on those worn down timing gears. Must have been all the tension due to the high engine loads that stuck the chain to the teeth!

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:03:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Miller Time-ing set

> Any
> big advantage to the 1 degree increments on the gear?


Sure. The more versatility in potential to bring a cam back to where it's
supposed to be would be a good thing. I'm sure that several stock type
timing set and all double roller timing set manufacturers would have
included many additional keyways.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:07:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: `93 88 Royale surging cold

Isn't that a sign of air in the fuel lines to the injectors? If memory
serves correctly, that's what happens in a Diesel. Isn't it the same for a
gasoline injected car engine?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:22 AM
Subject: `93 88 Royale surging cold


> My uncle has a 93 88 Royale with a 3.8 V6.  When he started it cold over
> the summer it would surge at idle but level out after a few seconds.
>
> The weather has cooled off some, so now when it starts cold it'll run a
> couple of seconds and die.  If he revs it up after he starts it it will
run
> on it's own after about 30 seconds.  It will still surge and will continue
> to until he's driven it about a mile.
>
> If anyone knows anything I can tell him to check I'd appreciate it.  Is it
> a common problem?
>
> Any websites devoted to this car/platform?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Greg Pruett
> 72 Vista Cruiser 80 Cutlass Calais 82 Buick Riviera
> 67 Cutlass Supreme 87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door Roanoke, VA
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:23:39 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top Woes

> Yes, that top looks pretty good. On the left side front edge I can see a
> tiny wrinkle, but that looks normal - it's nothing like what I'm dealing
with.
>
> How long ago did you purchase the top? I'm curious if mine and yours were
made
> near the same time or not.
>
> Kenneth

Ken,

I got the top on EBay on 9/20/02 from the seller by the ID of
"autoenthusiasts".  Received it like 2 days after payment.  I had it
installed summer '03.  There is that small wrinkle but like you said, its
pretty normal.

Rob

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:46:40 -0300
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
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Ah yes the Matador; the cops from my home town had them for awhile. They had
a police special 409 (I think), and they were run on propane.I used to ride
with them once in awhile( I was an explorer scout) , and they would scare
the pebbles out of me in those cars. Those ole (Ramblers) could really
scream,to bad they were such a POS; all kinds of electrical trouble. 2 of
the cars they had set up with nitro methane, and when they hit that button,
you best hold on to your butt. I watched them run down Vetts. and Mustangs
all the time. They were funky cars, as were the Gremlins. I knew a guy that
shoe horned a big block AMC engine in one of them, it was lime green and ran
like a scalded cat. Here's one for you, Plymouth Valiants are really hot
over here all of the sudden. I used to hate those cars, now it's kind'a neat
to see them on the road.

Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: Re:


> At 09:55 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >What.........? Steve, you mean to tell me that you didn't like the AMC
> >Pacer?  Why , that's a classic! LOL
>
> 1. That was designed and made here in the good ole US of A.
> 2. It was RWD.
>
> But no, I didn't think of the Pacer and no, I never liked the looks of
> them. However, I DID sorta like the exterior looks of the ole Matadors the
> LA cops used to have. Those could be fairly quick, a guy I used to know
> with a '69 Z28 got run down by one  ;o(((
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:50:55 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

It is a perceived opinion, not one I share. We owned an Audi 100 LS once,
and it was absolute junk. Just about every thing that could go wrong
did......., and often! I plan on keeping my 76 98 until the day I tip over,
sure are nice cars.
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:39 PM
Subject: Non Olds Humor


> 11 Oct 2004  "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net> writes:
> > the American Auto industry has bested the mighty
> > Germans, and now is in the number 2 spot where
> > reliability is concerned.
>
> What year were the Germans EVER as reliable as
> American autos, or Olds in particular?  My first 62 was
> German, and it was constantly broken.  Even their
> own mechanics couldn't fix it correctly.  What a piece
> of s**t, finished at 50,000 miles.  I got a 62 Olds and
> have been driving Olds ever since.  The Olds I drove
> today made 300, 000 miles without seeing a tow
> truck, and is still working for a living.
>
> Bruce Roe
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:54:57 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

Well so long as I keep kicking , I will have one. Hopefully 2 one day. I
want a 69 or 70 Toro. GT. Can we say Smokin!
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor


> they can keep the world car, i want a gas guzzling 455 in a real car.
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor
>
>
> > Well...., it's the era of the "world" car.
> >
> > Rick
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 6:07 PM
> > Subject: RE: Non Olds Humor
> >
> >
> >> The suspension & frame in my MR2 Spyder is from Porsche (same as the
> >> Boxster).
> >>
> >> John Nasta
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> I have found it interesting the extent that GM and Toyota are in bed
> >> together. Many of the parts in my Toys. are from GM, or from their
> >> subsidiaries.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:00:01 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds but important Paypal scam info

Thanks for the Info. I am passing this on .
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe" <w30442@zoominternet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:57 AM
Subject: Non Olds but important Paypal scam info


> Sorry about the non Olds content. I know allot of folks on here use Ebay
and
> Paypal so I wanted to pass this on. I received two emails, one from
"Paypal
> security" (not) and one from "SunTrust Bank" (not again). They both said
> that after a review of my Pay pal account they determined that there was a
> third party accessing my account and I needed to click on the link
provided
> to verify my account info. This seemed a bit odd. I contact Paypal and
they
> verified that it was bogus and said they would investigate it. Another
flag
> was that both emails started off with Dear W30442. Pay pal always uses
your
> full name in email and they don't ask you to verify account info. Both
these
> emails looked real. So be careful before you respond to any email asking
for
> information.
> Joe
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:11:48 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

Don't the Japanese get to keep classic cars? I thought I read some where
that they do. I remember something about special licensing and fees? The
Swedes are big time classic car buff's, especially American cars. The
Russians are nuts for Detroit steel as well. I wonder besides Jap. classics,
if they get to keep any old American cars?  Just wondering.
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor


> > He said that there is
> > a national 30,000 mile law in Japan. Which means, that once your car
> reaches
> > that point, you are forced to turn it in.
>
>
> That's right. No Freedom.
>
>
> > It's no wonder there are so very
> > many used Jap. engine, and engine parts places around.
>
>
> Correct. The cars are stripped and the used parts are shipped all over the
> world.
>
>
> > Frankly, I think this electronic
> > world of ours, costs us far more, than any of the convenience it was
> > supposed to make.
>
>
> The wise product engineer should know when to improve a product and when
to
> leave the product alone. Unfortunately, there aren't too many wise ones.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:15:19 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Re:

I always thought the Pacer had great potential.  Mount a 455 and transaxle 
in the rear under all that glass........

M

At 09:55 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, Rick M wrote:
>What.........? Steve, you mean to tell me that you didn't like the AMC
>Pacer?  Why , that's a classic! LOL
>Rick M

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:25:42 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: `93 88 Royale surging cold

check coolant temp,tps and mas.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: `93 88 Royale surging cold


> Isn't that a sign of air in the fuel lines to the injectors? If memory
> serves correctly, that's what happens in a Diesel. Isn't it the same for a
> gasoline injected car engine?
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Pruett" <gregp@connect-one.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 8:22 AM
> Subject: `93 88 Royale surging cold
> 
> 
>> My uncle has a 93 88 Royale with a 3.8 V6.  When he started it cold over
>> the summer it would surge at idle but level out after a few seconds.
>>
>> The weather has cooled off some, so now when it starts cold it'll run a
>> couple of seconds and die.  If he revs it up after he starts it it will
> run
>> on it's own after about 30 seconds.  It will still surge and will continue
>> to until he's driven it about a mile.
>>
>> If anyone knows anything I can tell him to check I'd appreciate it.  Is it
>> a common problem?
>>
>> Any websites devoted to this car/platform?
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Greg Pruett
>> 72 Vista Cruiser 80 Cutlass Calais 82 Buick Riviera
>> 67 Cutlass Supreme 87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door Roanoke, VA
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:39:32 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re:

what were you explore,life in handcuffs . lol
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:46 PM


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> Subject: Re: Re:
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:46:28 -0700
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> Ah yes the Matador; the cops from my home town had them for awhile. They had
> a police special 409 (I think), and they were run on propane.I used to ride
> with them once in awhile( I was an explorer scout) , and they would scare
> the pebbles out of me in those cars. Those ole (Ramblers) could really
> scream,to bad they were such a POS; all kinds of electrical trouble. 2 of
> the cars they had set up with nitro methane, and when they hit that button,
> you best hold on to your butt. I watched them run down Vetts. and Mustangs
> all the time. They were funky cars, as were the Gremlins. I knew a guy that
> shoe horned a big block AMC engine in one of them, it was lime green and ran
> like a scalded cat. Here's one for you, Plymouth Valiants are really hot
> over here all of the sudden. I used to hate those cars, now it's kind'a neat
> to see them on the road.
> 
> Rick Messenger
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Re:
> 
> 
>> At 09:55 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >What.........? Steve, you mean to tell me that you didn't like the AMC
>> >Pacer?  Why , that's a classic! LOL
>>
>> 1. That was designed and made here in the good ole US of A.
>> 2. It was RWD.
>>
>> But no, I didn't think of the Pacer and no, I never liked the looks of
>> them. However, I DID sorta like the exterior looks of the ole Matadors the
>> LA cops used to have. Those could be fairly quick, a guy I used to know
>> with a '69 Z28 got run down by one  ;o(((
>>
>> SteveH
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:27:02 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......

I'm stumped.....major lack of G-Body knowledge!

Please take a look: http://home.att.net/~tinman3/cs.htm

My friend Barry asked me to list this car on Ebay, but neither of us can
seem to nail down the correct year. I've checked my books and around the
'net at pictures, but none that I've found have the two headlights with the
turnsignals in the bumper.

What I know about the car:

VIN: 3R?7NAM437963

the vin was hard as heck to read through the windshield and I couldn't find
any other tags on the car. The 3rd digit looked like a back slaht (\) or
maybe upside down 'V'. The important 6th digit sure looked like an 'A', but
that should be an # for the year...correct?

Apparently it ~was~ a diesel, as the instrument panel says "diesel fuel
only". It's now a 307 w/rod knock. #3A heads, block casting # 557752-3B.

The door panels have Cutlass Supreme scrips and look original.

There is no title (was to be made into a drag car), so I can't check that
for the year. I didn't find any old registration or insurance cards in the
glovebox.

I'm thinking it's a '77 or '78, but I didn't think they used the diesel in a
C/S back......what do you all think?

FWIW, it looks to be a solid car bodywise. If anyone may be interested in a
cheap parts car or future drag project, hit me privately (rocket455@att.net)
before I list it on Ebay tomorrow evening. Car is located in southeastern
PA.

TIA,
Randy

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