
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, November 1 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5078



Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?
RE: love at first use: new timing light
Re: Ebay privacy
Re: love at first use: new timing light
RE: love at first use: new timing light
Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?
Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?
Re: '70 Cutlass S Tread
What's a spoiler called? Group #?
425's / Aussie 70 Cs CSManual
Re: What's a spoiler called? Group #?
RE: Better than the Nigerian Lottery... it's PADNOS!
Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?
Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
compressors & tools
RE: compressors & tools
RE: compressors & tools
RE: compressors & tools
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: compressors & tools
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
RE: compressors & tools
Olds vs Hemi/winter storage
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: Olds vs Hemi/winter storage
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: compressors & tools
Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: Olds vs Hemi/winter storage
Re: compressors & tools
Happy Halloween!!

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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 22:44:30 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?

Steve,

> That reminds me: did the later '67 425s with the 39* cam lifter bore angle
> also get changed to the later flywheel bolt pattern? If so, can one then
> surmise this might be another way to ID 45* or 39* lifter bore angle 425s?


I would say a definite *no.*

To twist your mind a little, Thunder's first engine, the first 482 with the
455 nodular iron crank built from a '68 Toronado 455 core, of course had the
later flexplate bolt pattern. However, when I got the forged steel 455 crank
from CrankShaft Company, which actually was a crank from Olds R&D left over
from the Cro-Sal racing program, *that* 455 crank had the early flexplate
bolt pattern. We found out when we went to balance the assembly, because my
existing flexplate wouldn't bolt up to the crank. So, we remachined the
holes to make it fit and was able to use the opportunity to use the
flexplate to fine tune the balance by rotating it.

Therefore, I'd guess there would be a much better chance of finding an early
455 using the early flexplate bolt pattern than finding a late 425 that used
the late flexplate bolt pattern.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 02:22:11 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: love at first use: new timing light

I got a 150 PSI "pancake" compressor (don't remember the brand name but it
is a known brand and the compressor is red), and a DeWalt nail gun that
takes nails from 1.25 to 2.5 inches. I'm loving that. The compressor can be
used to run impact tools but the tank is not very big, so you can't run a
tool for a long time (allegedly). On the flip side it also re-ups very
quickly. The compressor came with 2 kinds of tire chucks and a blower
attachment, plus a couple of chucks, and a bunch of plugs for tools that
don't come with one. I thought that was pretty cool.

I am building a handicap accessible bathroom that will be shown on The Today
Show a week from Monday.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

>Congrats John. I bought a compressor today and a nail gun. Yippee!

A compressor's on my Xmas list. What'd you get?

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 03:12:24 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Ebay privacy

Christopher Witt wrote:

>
> Surely you are not questioning my veracity here just because I chose 
> to disallow meddling in the auctions by busybodies... I have a 
> sterling reputation.
>
Hey Chris,
    I'll bet all those poor Nigerians that fell for your scams wouldn't 
agree with that last statement :-)
Gene

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:55:23 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: love at first use: new timing light

> I am building a handicap accessible bathroom that will be shown on The
Today
> Show a week from Monday.
>
> John Nasta


You mean we're going to be able to place a face with the name???

Do you know yet what time segment in the show you will be featured? Then
I'll know what time to get up.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:05:44 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: love at first use: new timing light

I won't be on the show myself. The guy speaking will be Jim Miller, author
of The Savvy Senior (savvysenior.org).

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

> I am building a handicap accessible bathroom that will be shown on The
Today
> Show a week from Monday.
>
> John Nasta


You mean we're going to be able to place a face with the name???

Do you know yet what time segment in the show you will be featured? Then
I'll know what time to get up.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 12:23:23 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?

At 10:44 PM 10/30/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Therefore, I'd guess there would be a much better chance of finding 
>an early 455 using the early flexplate bolt pattern than finding a 
>late 425 that used the late flexplate bolt pattern.

Drat. Was the center hole the same size?

Thanks,
SteveH

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:07:06 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?

> That reminds me: did the later '67 425s with the 39* cam lifter bore angle
> also get changed to the later flywheel bolt pattern? If so, can one then
> surmise this might be another way to ID 45* or 39* lifter bore angle 425s?

- ------------------

No.  All 425s had the earlier bolt pattern.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 09:27:44 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: '70 Cutlass S Tread

I finally got a chance to look at my '70 Chassis Service Manual. Here's 
what it says:

Wheelbase             112"
Tread front              59"
Tread rear               59"
Overall length         203.4"
Overall width          76.3"
Overall height        53.5"

krw

On Oct 28, 2004, at 8:00 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:40:03 -0300 (ADT)
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread
>
> Not on the list, respond to cpchadwick@bigpond.com if you can assist.
> Can anyone assist an Aussie?
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
>
> - ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "CP & ML Chadwick" <cpchadwick@bigpond.com>
> Subject: 1970 cutlass 's' holiday coupe
>
> Hi
>
> I live in Morawa Western Australia and have been lucky enough to =
> purchase a 1970 Olds Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe (especially since they =
> were never sold in Australia!!) =20
>
> Unfortunately the wheels and tyres fitted are not legal in this state. 
> =
> In order to make wheel and tyre modifications in WA I need to know the 
> =
> factory front and rear wheel track (distance measured across the 
> vehicle =
> from centre of tread to centre of tread) of this car.  I also need to =
> know the factory original tyre size fitted to these coupes. I seem to 
> be =
> able to find almost ever spec except these one on the net.  I believe =
> that it would have been fitted with 14 x 7 inch wheels.
>
> Can you help me???
>
>
> Thanks in anticipation
>
>
> Craig Chadwick
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:30:14 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: What's a spoiler called? Group #?

OK, we know the factory calls the driveshaft a Propeller Shaft, and Bumpers 
are Bar, Bumper, just so's you cannot possibly find anything in the danged 
index, 'cause, God forbid they should list it by the common name ALSO....

what did they call the spoiler as used on oh say the Rallye 350?
Not lsited under S for spoiler or W for Wing
Group number?
Anyone?
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:51:34 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 425's / Aussie 70 Cs CSManual

Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:15:58 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?

At 08:47 PM 10/30/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Nice 425 flexplate and 350/455 MT flywheel [at machine shop to get cleaned 
>and new ring gear]

That reminds me: did the later '67 425s with the 39* cam lifter bore angle
also get changed to the later flywheel bolt pattern? If so, can one then
surmise this might be another way to ID 45* or 39* lifter bore angle 425s?
Thanks,
SteveH
======================
No relevance. The two things are totally unrelated. I have never seen a 425 
crank with a late FW attach pattern. What a can of worms that'd be- on par 
with the lifter bank angle mess.

+++++++++++++++++ and  ++++++++++++++++++

Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:13:41 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 cutlass S Holiday coupe

Chris , you shouldn't mess with this poor blokes head, he may git the wrong
impression of us yanks.  No worries Mate!
============================
Huh?
I placed a small additional bid on one of the manuals to track it/ get it 
cheap if lucky. Is that what you are refering to?

Whether he wins it or I do is a trivial matter, a diff of a dollar maybe. 
Either way I can then send one off to him. The chance of winning it at $10 
is quite slim.

My library already contains at LEAST one of the 1970 CSM's. As far as I know 
I have all of them from 1964 thru 1990 or so, and duplicates of some of 
them. And many of the Fisher Body manuals as well, thru 1975 or so. And a 
Viper, and 99 Caravan and 92 Chevy for Mom's car, and another 10 feet I 
don't even know what they are.

I am not jerking the man about, just trying to acquire a CSM for him- or 
anyone-  for cheap.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:34:18 -0500
From: Larry <kajrav@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: What's a spoiler called? Group #?

Chris,

     Is this what you're looking for?      The book I have says .

 Spoiler, Rear Compartment(Less Hardware)
 Group 12.181

Larry



Christopher Witt wrote:

> OK, we know the factory calls the driveshaft a Propeller Shaft, and 
> Bumpers are Bar, Bumper, just so's you cannot possibly find anything 
> in the danged index, 'cause, God forbid they should list it by the 
> common name ALSO....
>
> what did they call the spoiler as used on oh say the Rallye 350?
> Not lsited under S for spoiler or W for Wing
> Group number?
> Anyone?

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:28:22 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: RE: Better than the Nigerian Lottery... it's PADNOS!

Chris

How familiar are you with Buick engines? If you ever came across a cast-iron
4-barrel manifold for a Buick 300 motor I would be greatly indebted! 

Albert
www.albertpenello.com

- --------------------------------------------------------
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 20:47:20 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Better than the Nigerian Lottery... it's PADNOS!

Thursday I got to be the dog instead of the Hydrant!

Small pile of stuff in the engine pile at scrap metal yard... looksee, not 
much, nope, crap, oh hey

WHAT'S THIS???
Oh my, a Z manifold!
I been coming here for 10 YEARS looking for something like that, FINALLY got

one.
Hey, go thru the rest of the stuff:

the mating divided X manifold
Pair of Buick? cast iron xst mans that look like headers:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=450024560
1&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

<deleted for digest mode>
- - -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:34:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: '67 425 Flywheel Bolt Pattern?

> Drat. Was the center hole the same size?


Yes. Exactly the same size.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:01:46 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Got a nice surprise when my check engine idiot light came on.

Did the paperclip trick, and the diagnostic codes are oxygen sensor (13) 
and coolant sensor (14), though I haven't had any overheating problems. 
Maybe that's just in there from a while ago. Car is an 85 Delta 88.

I'm going to replace the oxygen sensor. Could that be causing the strong 
exhaust smell--the engine running too rich? As far as I know, it's the 
original oxygen sensor. Do they go bad after a while?

Additionally, at AutoZone where I bought the sensor, they said my 
catalytic convertor might be bad. Any comments on this?

Thanks for your help...

- --Branson

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:12:06 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

At 07:01 PM 10/31/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm going to replace the oxygen sensor. Could that be causing the 
>strong exhaust smell--the engine running too rich?

Could be, yeah.

>As far as I know, it's the original oxygen sensor. Do they go 
>bad after a while?

Usually well after 100K miles.

>Additionally, at AutoZone where I bought the sensor, they said my 
>catalytic convertor might be bad. Any comments on this?

If you drive much with it running really rich, then it could clog the cat.
I would not replace the cat unless you have other symptoms, such as a lack
of power or failed emissions. Very often, once the O2 sensor is working
properly again and the exhaust stops being rich, the cat will burn off most
of whatever soot may have collected. It might, while doing this, run REAL
hot. I would expect it to be OK after a drive for 30-60 miles on the highway.

Before buying a new O2 sensor, you might play with the wire connector; it
could have gotten corroded and isn't making good contact. If you buy one,
I'd get a Delco; I certainly would NOT get a Nietze or whatever that name
is. I had a new one that kept cooling off too much while idling, causing
the ECM to go out of loop. I was able to restore my original Delco to full
operation, though. After removing it, I held it over a stove burner,
getting it red hot, letting it "cook" like that for 5-10 minutes while
watching the output with a digital voltmeter. After awhile, it came back to
life. It's been working fine ever since for over 50K miles and 3-1/2 years.
But it's finally due for replacement because while working to change the
timing chain, I musta bumped it with something and broke the end off  ;o((((

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:27:10 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: compressors & tools

The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It says it
can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail guns, 2
framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run an impact
wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. So, I
have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons capacity
will hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP and seems to fill
the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?

John Nasta

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:28:32 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: compressors & tools

Oops, meant to say a quarter inch drive wrench needs 120psi.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It says it
can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail guns, 2
framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run an impact
wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. So, I
have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons capacity
will hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP and seems to fill
the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?

John Nasta

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:37:15 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: compressors & tools

Oh H-E double hockey sticks. I meant to say half inch. Boy am I tired.

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----

Oops, meant to say a quarter inch drive wrench needs 120psi.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It says it
can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail guns, 2
framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run an impact
wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. So, I
have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons capacity
will hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP and seems to fill
the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?

John Nasta

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:44:21 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: RE: compressors & tools

At 09:28 PM 10/31/2004 -0500, John Nasta wrote:
>Oops, meant to say a quarter inch drive wrench needs 120psi.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It says it
>can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail guns, 2
>framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run an impact
>wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. So, I
>have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons capacity
>will hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP and seems to fill
>the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?


John,
More important in running air tools is CFM.  PSI should be fine for most 
anything, but you have to keep up with cfm demand.  Most impact guns will 
use 4.5-5 cfm.


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:57:36 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

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Thanks for the timely reply.

The car has sat idle for a few years, so the possibility of corrosion is 
definitely high. I'll check it. It's on the exhaust pipe upstream of the 
catalytic convertor, right?

I got a Bosche from AutoZone... it's listed as an O.E. part. Is that OK?

- --Branson

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:06:38 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: compressors & tools

At 09:27 PM 10/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It says it
>can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail guns, 2
>framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run an impact
>wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. So, I
>have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons capacity
>will hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP and seems to fill
>the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?

The spec that you need to look at is the PSI at so many cubic feet per
minute capability of the compressor. There should be a similar spec for
air-powered tools: how many CFM they require at some pressure to operate
properly.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:52:02 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

At 02:12 AM 11/1/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>>Additionally, at AutoZone where I bought the sensor, they said my 
>>catalytic convertor might be bad. Any comments on this?
>
>If you drive much with it running really rich, then it could clog the cat.

Ummm.... I didn't think about that one completely; they were insinuating
that a clogged cat could have fouled the O2 sensor, greatly reducing its
sensitivity to O2. But in that case, I would think the ECM would know it's
running too rich because the amount of O2 is too low; thus, it'd try to
lean the system. I'm missing something about that "logic" ;o|

Code 13 is "Open O2 Sensor Circuit". Code 14 is "High Coolant Temperature".
The ECM could register high coolant temperature if the sender's
wire/connector were shorted to ground, either by a bad sensor or the plug
having fallen onto the intake manifold and shorting. If you disconnect the
sensor, the ECM will think "Low Coolant Temperature" and after 5 minutes,
would set a code 15.

A clogged or cold O2 sensor SHOULD, I believe, set a code 44, indicating
lean exhaust, because its output voltage will be very low which indicates
extreme leanness. But the CSM indicates that if the O2 sensor were
contaminated by the silicone, then it would have a high output which would
indicate rich exhaust, code 45. You could contaminate the O2 sensor if you
used gasket sealer that is not labelled "safe for O2 sensors".

So I think the only way you could set code 13 would be either if the O2
sensor connector isn't connected or is corroded; or if the sensor,
internally, developed an open circuit. I think the former is much more
likely than the latter.

Trying to think of how either of these codes could inadvertently trigger
the other but nothing comes to mind at the moment.

The reason you aren't seeing your dash light or gage indicate a high
temperature, even though the temp sensor is telling the ECM the coolant is
very hot, is because the ECM's temp sensor is SEPARATE from the sensor or
sender switch that operates the dash gage or light. The ECM coolant sensor
is the one that's in the driver's corner up in the front of the intake
manifold. The sensor that's closer to the center of the intake manifold is
the sensor or switch for your dash indicator.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 02:58:33 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: compressors & tools

At 09:37 PM 10/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Oh H-E double hockey sticks. I meant to say half inch. Boy am I tired.

Are you SURE that wasn't just a 3/8"?

:o)))))))

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:17:57 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Olds vs Hemi/winter storage

Hello
Well it was a beautiful sunny Sat.and Sun. compared to the wind, rain and cold we have had recently.
I warmed up the 58,she took a bit(no choke)She had sat unstarted for 2-3 weeks or so,,but wow does the MSD ever help!
Cruised up to gas station and filled the 58s tank with 94.
Went fer a cruise to parts store for anti freeze and fuel stabilizer,opened up the ends a bit to flush the bowls a bit on the way home.
After i added the antifreze and fuel stabilizer at home i said to self,self gotta go fer a last blast before putting her away for winter,,,always a sad day in the fall :(.
So out we went to carb buddys place to get him and go fer donuts or something(i had a plan).
I picked the last entrance to enter hiway and waited till all cars went by before i went so we would get the red light(smart eh:)
Looking in the rear view waiting to see who will come up to line up fer the red,i see a red new pick up/Dodge,,,,,did i tell you my carb and heads/flow bench buddy in the passenger seat is a Mopar nut.
I tell him what i was up to, and the old guy says to me,,"THATS THE NEW HEMI"!,,,as the truck gets closer and he reads the badges.
Did i also tell you how much my Dodge buddy loves my 58 and wishes i was building her up this winter instead of the 430.
So i look up and i see a 13-14 yr old boy looking down at me from passeneger seat,,his eyes were HUGE looking at the 58,Big smile,and his thumb went up right away at us.
I looked over at driver in pick up, and i see a smaller hand on the steery wheel,,,"its mommy"!
I turned and looked at mopar buddy and said "she not gonna go for it",,,,its sorta city around there.
Well i was wrong,, the light changed, i got on the throttle heavy a bit and she saw me lift the frt end, and heard the 371 come to life, and she gave all that Hemi truck it had!,, and at that moment my foot went to the floor and stayed there!
I nosed ahead,, then the truck,,then i again, back and forth threw the gears :)
Ya shoulda seen the smile on my buddys face,,,the old guy loved it!
I am sure her and the kid were sooooo surprised, like most victims :).
We caught up after a few lights(i let off first cause it is city,,i safe eh)i saw the look of WOW on the kids face.
Mommys face was a little more serious,,,probably went home and told hubby "Someone in a spray bombed 58 just made my BIG dollar truck not so fast anymore!
We drove down long country roads, visiting friends and felt like a million bucks under the glorious sun and in a Olds.
Just thought i would share.
Antifreeze reminder,,,have ya ever seen a 12 inch open tear down the side of a block,,,i have.
Good Luck!
Randy H.
58 88 15.67@87mph/4400pds
72 Cutlass Convert
72 Cutlass(Bu*ck430)
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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:18:41 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

At 08:57 PM 10/31/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
>Thanks for the timely reply.
>
>The car has sat idle for a few years, so the possibility of corrosion is 
>definitely high. I'll check it. It's on the exhaust pipe upstream of the 
>catalytic convertor, right?

It's in the back side of the passenger's exhaust manifold, right underneath
the AC box on the firewall. It can be VERY tough to get loose from the
manifold. There is a special socket just for O2 sensors that has a slit in
the side through which the wire is run. On my BBA, I finally just bent up a
portion of the front fender well to get easy access to the thing.

>I got a Bosche from AutoZone... it's listed as an O.E. part. Is that OK?

I haven't tried Bosche, so I dunno. Since you haven't installed it yet, I'd
try some of the things we've mentioned to make certain the thing is
actually bad. However, if the car's been sitting a few years, it's possible
the cat IS clogged with stuff. I would also try a new set of plugs and
especially a new air filter.

Again, because code 13 indicates an OPEN sensor circuit, I don't feel the
sensor itself is necessarily bad, unless it broke internally or the wire
broke off.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:41:09 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Will check everything you have listed ASAP and post results. Thanks 
again for the help.

- --Branson


Steve Harrison wrote:

>*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
>At 08:57 PM 10/31/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>  
>
>>*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
>>Thanks for the timely reply.
>>
>>The car has sat idle for a few years, so the possibility of corrosion is 
>>definitely high. I'll check it. It's on the exhaust pipe upstream of the 
>>catalytic convertor, right?
>>    
>>
>
>It's in the back side of the passenger's exhaust manifold, right underneath
>the AC box on the firewall. It can be VERY tough to get loose from the
>manifold. There is a special socket just for O2 sensors that has a slit in
>the side through which the wire is run. On my BBA, I finally just bent up a
>portion of the front fender well to get easy access to the thing.
>
>  
>
>>I got a Bosche from AutoZone... it's listed as an O.E. part. Is that OK?
>>    
>>
>
>I haven't tried Bosche, so I dunno. Since you haven't installed it yet, I'd
>try some of the things we've mentioned to make certain the thing is
>actually bad. However, if the car's been sitting a few years, it's possible
>the cat IS clogged with stuff. I would also try a new set of plugs and
>especially a new air filter.
>
>Again, because code 13 indicates an OPEN sensor circuit, I don't feel the
>sensor itself is necessarily bad, unless it broke internally or the wire
>broke off.
>
>SteveH
>
>  
>

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:43:47 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Olds vs Hemi/winter storage

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
LOL. Great story. I've gotten into a drag race or two, and the V8 in my 
Delta always pulls out in the end...


- --B

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 21:53:34 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*

>Very often, once the O2 sensor is working
>properly again and the exhaust stops being rich, the cat will burn off most
>of whatever soot may have collected. It might, while doing this, run REAL
>hot.
>  
>
The engine runs real hot or the catalytic converter does?



Sorry for the mistake,
Branson

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:06:39 -0500
From: jkopf@optonline.net
Subject: Re: compressors & tools

2 specs that count are PSI & CFM. Look at the tool and see what the required CFM @ PSI is. This will answer your question. Larger tanks take more time before needing to refill. A 125 psi compressor will normally drop to 90psi before refilling. Air guns, grinders, drills, media blasters..... have higher demands. Nailers would have the lowers demand. 

Jack

- ----- Original Message -----
From: John Nasta <email@johnnasta.com>
Date: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:27 pm
Subject: compressors & tools

> The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It 
> says it
> can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail 
> guns, 2
> framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run 
> an impact
> wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. 
> So, I
> have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons 
> capacitywill hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP 
> and seems to fill
> the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?
> 
> John Nasta
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2004 05:02:38 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

At 09:53 PM 10/31/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>The engine runs real hot or the catalytic converter does?

The cat.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:18:40 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Olds vs Hemi/winter storage

> I nosed ahead,, then the truck,,then i again, back and forth threw the
gears :)
> Ya shoulda seen the smile on my buddys face,,,the old guy loved it!
> I am sure her and the kid were sooooo surprised, like most victims :).


How does it feel to drive a moonshine tanker/Q-ship? :-)))
The perfect sleeper.
Now, you got your Hemi. Paint a little Kill mark on the side. :-)))

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
and used to have a former Q-ship sleeper.
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:43:23 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: compressors & tools

My Campbell Hausfield portable wheeled compressor with 125 psi maximum at
3.5 CFM, 90 psi at 6.6 CFM, and 20 gallon tank runs a 1/2" impact wrench
fine, if that helps.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: "Olds Mailing List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 7:27 PM
Subject: compressors & tools


> The compressor I bought is a Porter Cable 6 gallon 150psi unit. It says it
> can run simultaneously: 6 brad guns, 6 staplers, 4 finish nail guns, 2
> framing nail guns, or 2 roofing nail guns. Do you think it can run an
impact
> wrench? My brother says that a 3/8 wrench will need 120psi to run. So, I
> have enough psi. Aside from that, I don't know how far 6 gallons capacity
> will hold up against an impact wrench. The motor is 1.5 HP and seems to
fill
> the tank pretty quickly. I guess I'll find out, eh?
>
> John Nasta
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:15:23 -0700
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
Subject: Happy Halloween!!

It was a nice night... sitting out in the cul-de-sac with a fire pit
burning...

..and the perfect pumpkin. Enjoy the pic!!

http://www.getnet.com/~ksup/temp/RocketPumpkin.JPG

Best Regards,
Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ

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