
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 8 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5015



Mandrel Bent Exhaust Results
Octane
Re: hurst /olds 1969
UNBOUNCE: Seeking '62 Starfire Owners Manual
FW: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil (fwd)
RE: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil (fwd)
High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: 68 98 parts.
Re: Octane
Re: Octane
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: Octane
Pauls 58 is not starting,H*lp plz.
Octane
Re: Octane
Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack
Re: Octane
Re: UNBOUNCE: Seeking '62 Starfire Owners Manual
RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack
Re: Octane
Re: Octane

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:34:35 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Mandrel Bent Exhaust Results

>From the butt dyno: The 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust with 20" DynoMax Super
Turbos and 2.5" tips have made a significant power and acceration
increase. I estimate that I gained at least 25 rear wheel horsepower.

This is compared to a 2.25" compression bent system.

Both used W and Z manifolds.

Just FYI 

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:31:54 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Octane

Interesting subject!  Most folks think that increasing octane will boost
power.....That is not true 100% of the time. The variables are huge:
compression ration, combustion chamber design, timing all play a part in
the octane requirements.

The 455 I built and dyno'ed showed that it made the best power at 34.5
degrees of total timing on 93 octane gas. I did not try adding race gas,
as it is a real PITA to get and mix. I want to get the power out of what
comes out of the pump.

BTW, each point of compression is worth about 3-4% increase in
power.......

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:42:13 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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In a message dated 9/7/04 11:15:30 AM Pacific Daylight  Time, 
Vvics442@aol.com writes:

Steve  all 69 H/O's came with D heads for 1969!!!   Cor D heads were what  
came 
on the 1968 models depending on the A/C option!!!   


Hi Vic,
       Guess that's what getting old does to  a guy.  You remember just 
enough of the facts to get you into  trouble.  I knew there was something to do 
with C and D heads and air  conditioning.  Just got the year wrong.  Sorry.
Steve D

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:53:27 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Seeking '62 Starfire Owners Manual

Not on the list, respond to hubbardplumbing@comcast.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   "Hubbard" <hubbardplumbing@comcast.net>
Subject: Seek Olds 62 Starfire owners manual

Hello, I am searching for an owners manual for a 1962 Olds Starfire.=20
OIC style 62-3647 Body LA 5152
Trim 934 Paint N-C

Can you help?

Robert Hubbard
Battle Creek, MI
Tel. 269/968-9755=20
Email: hubbardplumbing@comcast.net
  or roberthubbardbc@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:54:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: FW: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil (fwd)

Sent to me, not the list; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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To: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: FW: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil

If anyone can help him, please forward the information.

- -----Original Message-----
From: sgouvea [mailto:sgouvea@emertech.com.br] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:34 PM
To: olds61@hotmail.com
Subject: Oldsmobile 65

Hello,
I have some antiques cars and in my last birthday I was surprised by a gift
from my wife. It´s an Olds 65 convertible who needs a deserved restoration.
Vehicle is not working, but has all the parts in a very restorable shape. I
checked the brazilian registration of automobiles and only five of these
were imported to the country, back in 65. I need help to understand what
kind of vehicle I have. It´s precious for me and I want to have it in
perfect condition. First of all I need to decode the VIN # and I hope you
guys can help me on this:
VIN says: ST 65 - 33867
               LAN 1378 BODY
               TR 953-B
               PAINT C-3
Will appreciate if you can decode this. Thks / Cesar Nieto
My e-mail is: cnieto@emertech.com.br
My address is: Cesar Nieto
                       R. Paulina de Campos 93
                       Săo Roque, SP 18131-110 
                       Brazil

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:04:20 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil (fwd)

Checkout http://aliquippaoutlaws.homestead.com/DATAPLATE.html

Eric

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Greg Beaulieu
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:54 PM
To: Oldsmobile
Subject: FW: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil (fwd)


Sent to me, not the list; forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
To: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: FW: Oldsmobile 65 Decoding VIN Info from Brazil

If anyone can help him, please forward the information.

- -----Original Message-----
From: sgouvea [mailto:sgouvea@emertech.com.br] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 5:34 PM
To: olds61@hotmail.com
Subject: Oldsmobile 65

Hello,
I have some antiques cars and in my last birthday I was surprised by a gift
from my wife. It4s an Olds 65 convertible who needs a deserved restoration.
Vehicle is not working, but has all the parts in a very restorable shape. I
checked the brazilian registration of automobiles and only five of these
were imported to the country, back in 65. I need help to understand what
kind of vehicle I have. It4s precious for me and I want to have it in
perfect condition. First of all I need to decode the VIN # and I hope you
guys can help me on this:
VIN says: ST 65 - 33867
               LAN 1378 BODY
               TR 953-B
               PAINT C-3
Will appreciate if you can decode this. Thks / Cesar Nieto
My e-mail is: cnieto@emertech.com.br
My address is: Cesar Nieto
                       R. Paulina de Campos 93
                       Sco Roque, SP 18131-110 
                       Brazil

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:49:51 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

6 Sep 2004  "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:
> Guys, am I the only geezer on this list that remembers the Olds 
> engines of the '60s

Hey, I remember a turbo charged, fluid injected, aluminum 
V8 of the 60s.   Bruce Roe

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 15:59:53 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: 68 98 parts.

Hi Jack:

          Here are some very useful site's that may have exactly what you
are looking for. For the taillight extensions(fender),
www.replica-plastics.com or www.autorfix.com . Another good one is
www.restorationspecialties.com. , they have some of everything. For your
metal needs try, www.westcoastsheetmetal.com/trim.htm , these folks stock an
incredible amount of stuff. About the fender extenders, none of these places
carries ABS parts, they are all aftermarket fiberglass. It you happen the
find OEM ABS, expect to pay through the nose! I bought a pair of extenders
from replica plastics, and they fit pretty good. I found out that sheet
metal stampings were not always exact from factory to factory. So the
replica parts may not be quite exact; I had to reshape mine, but in the end,
they came out very well. It looks 100% better than painted duct tape! HA!
Good luck!
'76 Olds.98
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:14 PM
Subject: 68 98 parts.


>
>
> Need both left and right side fender extensions as well as the chrome pot
> metal insert that mounts into them and holds the directional lamps. Not as
> concerned with the finish as long as there are no cracks or broken pieces.
> They will be re-chromed or painted as needed. Just need solid parts to
start
> with. These are for a 1968 "98".
>
> Also if anyone has any sheet metal or trim pieces for this car (formerly
one
> of Mr. Nastas 68 98 convertibles) please contact me off list. Finally have
> some time to get fully into it and keep finding things I want / need.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jack Kopf
> jkopf@optonline.net
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 16:35:36 -0700
From: "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Octane

I agree Paul, the engine has to be set up for the higher octane which is a
slower burning fuel. Unless the existing engine is pinging or knocking on
the existing fuel, raising the octane will not increase horsepower one bit,
and will in fact make starting harder, especially in cold weather.

It is funny how people don't understand things like this, as the information
is readily available out there either in the library or the net.

People also tend to get mixed up when it comes to the lack of lead in
today's fuel, IE valve seat wear or recession. It is a totally different
issue than octane needs. High octane UNLEADED avgas has been available for
years (suffer a lead fouled spark plug on your airplane and you might
crash), also years ago something called white gas was sold, it was of the
unleaded type, mainly used in the marine market for outboards, and
surprisingly used by the early Colman cook stoves (no lead poison problem).

Yet another thing people don't always understand or they mix the unleaded /
octane issue up.

In 1971 GM did drop many compression ratios, the famed LS6 454/450hp of
Chevy lore in 1970 had a 11:1 compression ratio with closed chamber heads,
while in 1971 the same LS6 454 only had 425hp but had a much more usable on
the street 9:1 compression ratio, but with open chamber heads. What was lost
in compression ratio was almost gained back in a better designed combustion
chamber. (all "gross" horsepower ratings, things changed yet again in 72'
when a "net" horsepower rating was used)

My two cents worth ~

David

1981 Olds Cutlass T-Top Diesel
1983 Olds Delta 88 Astroroof ~ wish it was a diesel!
1987 Olds Cutlass 4dr driver!

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 16:44:49 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Octane

> Interesting subject!  Most folks think that increasing octane will boost
> power.....That is not true 100% of the time. The variables are huge:
> compression ration, combustion chamber design, timing all play a part in
> the octane requirements.

Absolutely true ! Higher octane merely provides increased resistance to knock through slower flame propogation. Slower
flame propogation means less power (through reduced heat transference and expansion rates in the time allowed) If your
engine isn't knocking, it doesn't need a higher octane.

Latent heat is the key to power, but you won't find those ratings posted on the pump. There are general figures used for
engineering purposes but it will vary between blends. Example: Propane is 105-110 Octane, Gas up here is 88-94. When
switching from gas to propane we need to burn about 30% more fuel to make the same power.

Why?.....because the latent heat (engineering calculation average) of gasoline is 126000 BTU/ gallon while the latent
heat of propane is 92000 BTU/gallon. So the propane makes less power even though it is higher octane when used in the
same engine.

Kevin

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:29:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> > Guys, am I the only geezer on this list that remembers the Olds
> > engines of the '60s
>
> Hey, I remember a turbo charged, fluid injected, aluminum
> V8 of the 60s.   Bruce Roe


Yeah, the 300 HP 215 cubic inch aluminum turbo-charged Olds V8 in the
'61-'63 Cutlass. Notice that's 1.4 horsepower per cubic inch for a factory
stock engine! Olds was working with turbo-chargers long before Olds R&D did
the twin turbo-charged aluminum 455 for the CRO-SAL CanAm racing team.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 17:52:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Octane

> High octane UNLEADED avgas has been available for
> years (suffer a lead fouled spark plug on your airplane and you might
> crash),


That's exactly why ***all*** reciprocating aircraft engines from at least
the 1920s to today use dual spark plugs, stainless steel and/or stalite
and/or sodium filled valves, and individual hardened valve seat inserts. A
Lycoming flat, a Wright 1800, a Pratt & Whitney R-2800, and all the rest had
that arrangement because unleaded fuel was used and is used almost
exclusively. Lately, there has been some use of a low-lead avgas. I'm not
sure what that's about.


> also years ago something called white gas was sold, it was of the
> unleaded type, mainly used in the marine market for outboards,


Which also used hardened valve seat inserts.


> surprisingly used by the early Colman cook stoves (no lead poison
problem).


Yes, my parents sold canned white gas in their hardware store for that
purpose. Some of it was under the Coleman brand name. It made an excellent
parts cleaner.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 22:40:48 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Pauls 58 is not starting,H*lp plz.

Hello
Below are two letters from Paul.
Can someone please help Paul with this, i got my hands sooo full!
Email him direct plz and maybe also suggest to him to join this list.
Thanks...WAY BUSY:o
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.

Paul wrote...retro-lounge@wi.rr.com
Okay, so electrically I'm really lost and know very little.  

I'm putting on a new coil, and don't have the old one to compare to. I'm assuming if I wire the coil backwards, I will not get a spark. We had the car starting with a replacement coil, but my brother took it back as it was from his 55 Olds. I got a new one now and need to hook it up. 

In terms of the two little screw on each side of the coil on top: Is there a positive and negative side of the coil?  

Which wires go to each little screw on the coil?  

If someone could take a quick look at their car and let me know. 

Thanks! 

Paul

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Okay, see my Coil Wiring thread for background on this. Suffice to say I now have spark. 

The engine cranks but will not fire over. It sputters a bit, seems like it wants to start, but just doesn't quite get there. It is getting gas in the carb. Starting fluid didn't help. With he timing off it back fires, burns up the strting fluid in one big ball of flame. Timing is now set. Tried holding open the choke, etc. to no avail. 

Things I might want to do: 

1) Change fuel filter. 
2) Rebuild or replace Carb (4bbl) 
3) Sell the car, buy a Volvo wagon, and sink deeper into suburban anonymity  

Any thoughts, opinions, suggestions would be welcome! 

Thanks, 

Paul
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin USA
retro-lounge@wi.rr.com
_________________
1958 Super 88 Fiesta Wagon 
1958 Super 88 4dr Hardtop

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 22:03:31 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Octane

Some of our turbo/supercharged fighters used 130 octane 
gas, the last thing before jets took over.  But I thought it was
leaded gas.  Bruce Roe

7 Sep 2004 "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:
> > High octane UNLEADED avgas has been available for
> > years (suffer a lead fouled spark plug on your airplane 
> > and you might crash)

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 23:27:37 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Octane

> Some of our turbo/supercharged fighters used 130 octane
> gas, the last thing before jets took over.  But I thought it was
> leaded gas.


Nope. P&W R-2800s in P-47s and F4U Corsairs, Packard/Merlins in P-51s,
Allisons in P-38s, and the recips in B-17s, B-24s, and B-29s were all
turbo-charged and all used unleaded avgas at the highest octane rating
available. There were a lot of other turbo-charged U.S. aircraft, too,
including British aircraft and Axis aircraft. Turbo-charging aircraft recips
is the best way to get good high altitude performance, above 20,000 feet.

Something else to emphasize is that all aircraft recips from the 1920s to
now used dual magnetos, dual spark plugs per cylinder, dual ignition wiring,
and dual ignition switching and control. The redundancy is for safety. If
one set of plugs fail or a magneto fails or incoming bullets tear up
ignition wiring, there's another set. The magnetos were almost exclusively
made by Scintilla S.A., Switzerland, from at least the early 1930s. Two
Scintilla Vertex Magnetos were used in all U.S. military reciprocating
engines. In addition, the Scintilla Vertex Magneto was the most popular high
energy ignition system for all race car engines from the mid-1950s to at
least the late 1970s. Thunder used a Scintilla Ronco Vertex Magneto with
mechanical tach drive for the first 20 years of her life, until I switched
to MSD. A Vertex Magneto delivers 100,000 volts at 6,000 RPM using a spark
plug gap of 0.020". Any wider plug gap will burn the plug electrode, just
like lifting a stick arc welder off of the work piece and creating more
heat. Welders on the list will understand what I mean. The downside of using
a Vertex magneto is the power consumed from the engine to make voltage. At
6000 RPM and 100,000 volts DC, it takes 30 HP to run the magneto. However,
no matter how cold it is outside, an engine with a Vertex Magneto fires
instantly. I may reuse Thunder's magneto in one of the other cars someday
when that car gets a new Olds engine. The magneto would work great on the
street. BTW, a magneto is completely immune to EMP.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 09:18:25 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack

Still have to ck the assembly manual
cannot figure out how to get the speedo cable into the Muncie on the '66 
442. Do I need the tail house w/ the RH speedo fitting? Not sure I have one 
of them. The clever designers put the speedo cable fitting on the LH side, 
exactly where the shifter and shifting rods are. Strangely, both the speedo 
cable and shifter rod cannot occupy the same space at the same time. I do 
have a 90 degree adapter of unknown ratio, not sure if that has enough room 
to be between shifter rod and trans case LH side. Anyone got a Muncie rear 
case piece with RH speedo fitting?

Now, for the 1967 Rally Pack.... appears the dash plastic must be cut to 
accomodate the unit, let it slide in from the back. Anyone converted to 
Gages from non-gages car before, on a 1967 Cutlass/442?
   I know it'll need the appropriate senders for temp and oil pressure, and 
a wire run to the tach. Oh, it arrived with a broken small circular ckt 
board on the back- should be fairly easy to fix, but is there a chance that 
someone here has a "parts" unit lying around?

On digest, please cc direct email as well. Thanks!
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 09:30:32 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Octane

At Tuesday, 7 September 2004, you wrote:
>BTW, a magneto is completely immune to EMP.

I get a kick outta how some novel writers, telling of the effects 
of an EMP blast, state things like wall light switches get fused;
batteries in cars die; light bulbs are blown; transformers blow 
up; etc. While I need to do some more reading, AFAIK, none of that 
happens as a direct result of an EMP blast. Transformers CAN short 
out due to extremely high voltages induced from the pulse, though,
just like the power lines on poles being struck by lightning. Similarly,
a magneto COULD suffer internal damage if its wires were exposed 
to the open air and the pulse induced a significant electromagnetic 
field around the wires.

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:52:50 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Seeking '62 Starfire Owners Manual

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> Hello, I am searching for an owners manual for a 1962 Olds Starfire
Anybody know who the vendor was at the Nats that had a bunch of these for sale?  Jim or Jeff?  I guess he's in the directory - he had a yellow '62 D88 coupe on the show field.
Paul
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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 14:58:12 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack

>The clever designers put the speedo cable fitting on the
>LH side, exactly where the shifter and shifting rods are.
>Strangely, both the speedo cable and shifter rod cannot
>occupy the same space at the same time.

Purely a WAG here: This isn't one of those applications where the speedo 
would be driven off the left front wheel hub, is it?

>I do have a 90 degree adapter of unknown ratio,

If it was an add-on, adapter design whose main function was to just turn the 
corner, its ratio is probably 1:1. Just put a felt-tip-marker dot somewhere 
on the input and output, turn the core 10 times and see if the dots still 
line up.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 15:43:07 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

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> Yeah, the 300 HP 215 cubic inch aluminum turbo-charged Olds V8 in the 
> '61-'63 Cutlass. 
Should I????
No.
But I will anyway...
BZZZT!
'62/'63 Jetfire.
For those keeping track there was a '62 Jetfire 4-speed convertible at the Nats.  Owner claims Olds built 5 and then crushed them.  No Jetfire convertibles built for production.  He also had a Supercharged Trofeo there.  I was so impressed by the turbo/4-speed combo that it took me two days to realize they didn't make a Jetfire convertible.  Sort of like that Jetfire Wagon that appeared at Springfield a few years ago.
Paul
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<P>&gt; Yeah, the 300 HP 215 cubic inch aluminum turbo-charged Olds V8 in the <BR>&gt; '61-'63 Cutlass. </P>
<P>Should I????</P>
<P>No.</P>
<P>But I will anyway...</P>
<P>BZZZT!</P>
<P>'62/'63 Jetfire.</P>
<P>For those keeping track there was a '62 Jetfire 4-speed convertible at the Nats.&nbsp; Owner claims Olds built 5 and then crushed them.&nbsp; No Jetfire convertibles built for production.&nbsp; He also had a Supercharged Trofeo there.&nbsp; I was so impressed by the turbo/4-speed combo that it took me two days to realize&nbsp;they didn't make a Jetfire convertible.&nbsp; Sort of like that Jetfire Wagon that appeared at Springfield a few years ago.</P>
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:40:47 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack

On my 65 the speedo cable is on the left side, it passes right through where
the rods pass.  It was hard trying to get it clamped in with the rods
already in place but once installed they don't interfere with each other.
On my 65 I have a later model hurst/442 oem shifter with a new set of
competition plus rods, I'm not sure how similar the 66 oem setup is.

Eric

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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:18 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack


Still have to ck the assembly manual
cannot figure out how to get the speedo cable into the Muncie on the '66
442. Do I need the tail house w/ the RH speedo fitting? Not sure I have one
of them. The clever designers put the speedo cable fitting on the LH side,
exactly where the shifter and shifting rods are. Strangely, both the speedo
cable and shifter rod cannot occupy the same space at the same time. I do
have a 90 degree adapter of unknown ratio, not sure if that has enough room
to be between shifter rod and trans case LH side. Anyone got a Muncie rear
case piece with RH speedo fitting?

Now, for the 1967 Rally Pack.... appears the dash plastic must be cut to
accomodate the unit, let it slide in from the back. Anyone converted to
Gages from non-gages car before, on a 1967 Cutlass/442?
   I know it'll need the appropriate senders for temp and oil pressure, and
a wire run to the tach. Oh, it arrived with a broken small circular ckt
board on the back- should be fairly easy to fix, but is there a chance that
someone here has a "parts" unit lying around?

On digest, please cc direct email as well. Thanks!
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:08:47 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: Octane

On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 04:35:36PM -0700, David Manly wrote:
> also years ago something called white gas was sold, it was of the unleaded
> type, mainly used in the marine market for outboards, and surprisingly
> used by the early Colman cook stoves (no lead poison problem).

Years ago, the mower ran out of gas while I was using it.  The jerry-can
from which it was filled was empty, but there was a can of Coleman fuel on
hand (my campstove uses it).  I didn't want to go get more gas, so I put
maybe a pint or two of Coleman fuel into the mower's gas tank, started it
back up, and finished cutting the grass.  AFAIK, it didn't harm the mower,
but with the low compression of your average small engine, you can probably
get away with doing things with them that you wouldn't want to do with your
Olds (ObOnTopic) or other vehicles.

  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
 / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:17:59 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Octane

You're absolutely correct.


> I get a kick outta how some novel writers, telling of the effects
> of an EMP blast, state things like wall light switches get fused;
> batteries in cars die; light bulbs are blown; transformers blow
> up; etc. While I need to do some more reading, AFAIK, none of that
> happens as a direct result of an EMP blast.


Yeah, I've seen the same thing. Heck, we induced EMP bursts in our own lab
for testing purposes. Then, there's the very intense electro-static fields
we made, with their corresponding X-ray output from the center of the plasma
field.


> Transformers CAN short
> out due to extremely high voltages induced from the pulse, though,
> just like the power lines on poles being struck by lightning. Similarly,
> a magneto COULD suffer internal damage if its wires were exposed
> to the open air and the pulse induced a significant electromagnetic
> field around the wires.


Yes, can and could, but the odds are very, very low. Just like point
ignition systems are immune to EMP, for all intents and purposes,
disregarding the Murphy factor.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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