
oldsmobile-digest     Friday, September 17 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5024



RE: Shortened URLs (was Re: Craftsman E-Sale....)
Re: Andy's on a rant again
RE: Shortened URLs (was Re: Craftsman E-Sale....)
Re: RE:easy Windshield removal/replacement
The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
Re: easy Windshield removal/replacement
Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
Re: Attention Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kansas.  Zone show at Cavanaugh Flight Museum
Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
Hello again to everyone
RE Windshield re-re Rare Fac. amber tint
Spark plugs and miles
Re: Windshield install
Re: Windshield install/accidents
Re: Heater control valve
Re: coil spring mix-n-match
Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
OCA Sucks!
Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
'65 Riviera for sale...............
Re: '65 Riviera for sale...............
Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
Headlight doors/cornering light lenses for Delta 88
Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)
Happy 1/2 way to St. Patricks day

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:11:25 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Shortened URLs (was Re: Craftsman E-Sale....)

>>>http://makeashorterlink.com/?F23525B49
>>
>>I shall show you an even shorter version, from http://tinyurl.com:
>>
>>http://tinyurl.com/5lv6l
>>
>>Now, THAT was even LESS painful, eh  ;o)))))))
>
>The problem with both of those is that you don't know by looking at them
>where either of them will really go.

No, that's only true of the tinyurl.com link. If you try the 
makeashorterlink.com link above, you'll see that it takes you to their own 
website first, and shows you the decoded link that you are about to visit, 
giving you a short time delay in case you want to bail out first. As that 
page says:

>You will shortly be redirected to:
>
>[decoded URL here...]
>
>If that doesn't look like something you would want to do then
>link back to our home page or go to another page now.

Another annoyance I remember with tinyurl.com in the past was that they'd 
lard up the link with all sorts of advertising popups and/or popunders, but 
I didn't notice that occurring in this most-recent tryout.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:16:30 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Andy's on a rant again

In the interests of full disclosure or whatever, I should follow up to say 
that the dealer delivered our minivan to our house as promised, the 
alignment now appears to be back where it should be, and the steering wheel 
looks to be back on-center again.

A pity that they couldn't have got it right the first time, but I think 
they're getting their act together now. I'll have no problems checking them 
out the next time we're in the market (most likely for another minivan... 
sigh...).

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:35:55 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Shortened URLs (was Re: Craftsman E-Sale....)

Mozilla Firefox blocks popups/popunders by default, and lets you create an
exception list for sites where you want popups/popunders to appear.

Mozilla Firefox is also not a virus target like IE, and loads pages faster.

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----

Another annoyance I remember with tinyurl.com in the past was that they'd
lard up the link with all sorts of advertising popups and/or popunders, but
I didn't notice that occurring in this most-recent tryout.

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:45:17 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: RE:easy Windshield removal/replacement

> Also how faded is your orig windshield upper blu visor?,,are there any
stone chips that could spread?
> The new thinner windshields have a nice DEEP BLU  tint on top,i got one
fairly cheap,good time to consider this.

Yeah, my window tint on top is still a deep tint (ain't too sunny here in
Ohio) but the windshield never seems to come too clear after a good
polishing with Windex. Can someone recommend a product that could revitalize
an old windshield? Seems to me that years of bugs and dust pelting into it
has made it a little less than crystal clear. By no means something to
warrant getting a new windshield for - it just doesn't polish up as nice as
my 94 Buick's does...
>If i was closer i would be there to help for a case of beer and pizza :)
>Good luck!
Thanks for the offer, but BC is quite a drive to Ohio:)
Chris

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 13:57:56 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

> However they aren't without their draw backs. A front end collision at
even
> 10 miles per hour, will end up costing at least 1,000$ to fix. The front
> bumpers, grill assembly and subassembly, appear to be made with something
a
> little stronger than heavy tin foil.
http://pages.prodigy.net/fastcarson/#JAP
The thing on the right WAS a 2001 Toyota Camry (new at the time). The S-10
DOES share many similarities with the G-body, by the way, such as nearly the
entire front suspension assembly and overall width, too... I can't imagine
it would have been much different of a result if I had been hit in my
Cutlass.
But, in all fairness, the S-10 does not have bumper shocks; rather, it has
elongated holes in the bumper mounting brackets that take their place, but
provide much more structural integrity.

Chris

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:59:42 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: easy Windshield removal/replacement

Chris Carson wrote:
>>Also how faded is your orig windshield upper blu visor?,,are there any
> 
> stone chips that could spread?
> 
>>The new thinner windshields have a nice DEEP BLU  tint on top,i got one
> 
> fairly cheap,good time to consider this.
> 
> Yeah, my window tint on top is still a deep tint (ain't too sunny here in
> Ohio) but the windshield never seems to come too clear after a good
> polishing with Windex. Can someone recommend a product that could revitalize
> an old windshield? Seems to me that years of bugs and dust pelting into it
> has made it a little less than crystal clear. By no means something to
> warrant getting a new windshield for - it just doesn't polish up as nice as
> my 94 Buick's does...
> 
>>If i was closer i would be there to help for a case of beer and pizza :)
>>Good luck!
> 
> Thanks for the offer, but BC is quite a drive to Ohio:)
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
To really polish that windsheld use cerium oxide. It's what the glass 
shops use
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:47:10 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

At 01:57 PM 09/16/2004 -0400, Chris wrote:
>http://pages.prodigy.net/fastcarson/#JAP
>The thing on the right WAS a 2001 Toyota Camry (new at the time). The S-10
>DOES share many similarities with the G-body, by the way, such as nearly the
>entire front suspension assembly and overall width, too... I can't imagine
>it would have been much different of a result if I had been hit in my
>Cutlass.

I wouldn't place any big bets on that just yet.  The S-10, being not
considered a passenger vehicle, doesn't have to have its bumper at the
exact height the way all cars do.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Cutlass will still come out much better off
than the Toyota, but using a truck, even a small one, is an unfair
comparision because of the bumper height issue.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:54:21 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again

On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:38:20 -0700
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
>
> This is a true story. There is a "kid" over here who took an Olds.350 
> and
> shoe horned it into his 92 Toy. 4by, he wasn't a Chevy fan. Since his 
> Pappy
> musta had lot's of green, that motor was done up in a way that would 
> make
> Milton S. envious . It made the speed show rounds in this neck of the 
> woods,
> and was a go-in concern. Then he sold it .

I worked on a Jag XJ6 once in my days as a mobile electronics 
installer. I had to move it, and when I started it up, I immediately 
realize that it wasn't a boat-anchor 6. Popped the bonnet, and lo! and 
behold, there was an Olds small-block sitting there. Likely a 350 since 
it was gold. Pretty neat.
>
> I hear tell that Toyota has some "pretty snakey" speed parts out for 
> it's
> V8s. I heard from the "boy racer" crowd that there is a fella with a V8
> Tundra here in Spokane, that is pumping out over 400 over 500 , and 
> it's not
> a blown motor either.

that would be the Toy/Lexus V8 that they're using in racing (except 
NASCAR SuperTrucks - they actually developed a pushrod engine just for 
that, I hear. Haven't had an opportunity to check that out yet.)

>  I buy them because I never have to work on them; and
> you are right, they are expensive. I have a new Tacoma, and a 97 
> 4Runner.
> And those are the only 2 vehicles in the Toyota stable that I "like" 
> the
> looks of. If they are not careful, they are going to price themselves 
> out.
>
> I predict, that with all the new "custom" looking Models from the Big 
> 2 (
> Chryslers not American owned),

According to the last figures I saw, Chrysler's not even in the 'big 3' 
at all. Toyota's number 3 in the US as far as sales volume, I think it 
was, according to autoextremist.com

<snip>
>
>
> Rick Messenger
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 17:25:15 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Attention Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kansas.  Zone show at Cavanaugh Flight Museum

Ah-heh. Yeah, it was right up there near the top, where I couldn't see 
it <cough>.
As my mom used to say: "if it'd been a dog, it'd bit ya."
My dad and I will be here, though just as spectators, and probably not 
in my Olds, since I still haven't fixed the front spring that, er, 
sprung (broke in half!)

Who should I look for, and in/with what cars? In other words: who else 
is going?

krw
On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 08:15:58 -0500
> From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
> Subject: RE: Attention Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kansas.  Zone 
> show at Cavanaugh Flight Museum
>
> It is on the NTOC site.  We don't have any controll over Cavanaughs
> site.
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/ntexasoca/
>
>     Mike
>
>
> Mike Schlottman
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 18:28:13 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again

i installed a 455 in a 1980 f150 4*4, that was 1 sweet ford
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again


> 
> On Sep 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
> 
> > Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:38:20 -0700
> > From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> > Subject: Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
> >
> > This is a true story. There is a "kid" over here who took an Olds.350 
> > and
> > shoe horned it into his 92 Toy. 4by, he wasn't a Chevy fan. Since his 
> > Pappy
> > musta had lot's of green, that motor was done up in a way that would 
> > make
> > Milton S. envious . It made the speed show rounds in this neck of the 
> > woods,
> > and was a go-in concern. Then he sold it .
> 
> I worked on a Jag XJ6 once in my days as a mobile electronics 
> installer. I had to move it, and when I started it up, I immediately 
> realize that it wasn't a boat-anchor 6. Popped the bonnet, and lo! and 
> behold, there was an Olds small-block sitting there. Likely a 350 since 
> it was gold. Pretty neat.
> >
> > I hear tell that Toyota has some "pretty snakey" speed parts out for 
> > it's
> > V8s. I heard from the "boy racer" crowd that there is a fella with a V8
> > Tundra here in Spokane, that is pumping out over 400 over 500 , and 
> > it's not
> > a blown motor either.
> 
> that would be the Toy/Lexus V8 that they're using in racing (except 
> NASCAR SuperTrucks - they actually developed a pushrod engine just for 
> that, I hear. Haven't had an opportunity to check that out yet.)
> 
> >  I buy them because I never have to work on them; and
> > you are right, they are expensive. I have a new Tacoma, and a 97 
> > 4Runner.
> > And those are the only 2 vehicles in the Toyota stable that I "like" 
> > the
> > looks of. If they are not careful, they are going to price themselves 
> > out.
> >
> > I predict, that with all the new "custom" looking Models from the Big 
> > 2 (
> > Chryslers not American owned),
> 
> According to the last figures I saw, Chrysler's not even in the 'big 3' 
> at all. Toyota's number 3 in the US as far as sales volume, I think it 
> was, according to autoextremist.com
> 
> <snip>
> >
> >
> > Rick Messenger
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
> 
> Kevin Wright                                         
> krwright@sbcglobal.net
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html
> 
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
> 
> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
> parts if someone doesn't buy it!
> 

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 16:29:32 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

On Thu, Sep 16, 2004 at 05:47:10PM -0400, Joe Vahabzadeh wrote:
> At 01:57 PM 09/16/2004 -0400, Chris wrote:
> >http://pages.prodigy.net/fastcarson/#JAP
> >The thing on the right WAS a 2001 Toyota Camry (new at the time). The S-10
> >DOES share many similarities with the G-body, by the way, such as nearly the
> >entire front suspension assembly and overall width, too... I can't imagine
> >it would have been much different of a result if I had been hit in my
> >Cutlass.
> 
> I wouldn't place any big bets on that just yet.  The S-10, being not
> considered a passenger vehicle, doesn't have to have its bumper at the
> exact height the way all cars do.

FWIW, option ZQ8 (sport suspension and 16x8 wheels, available by itself or
as part of the Xtreme package) puts an S-10 at about the same bumper height
as most cars.  I compared the bumper height of my truck and of a coworker's
rice-burner, and they were nearly the same.

(The truck on the page linked above looks like it has the standard
suspension and 15x7 wheels, which would put it a couple or three inches
higher.)

  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
 / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
 \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden            >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:09:07 -0500
From: "Branson Sparks" <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Hello again to everyone

Hi. I've been up the creek with my e-mail server for a
while, but have now switched over to a static IP and have
removed my server from two DNS blacklists. Just checking to
see if this makes it to everyone.

Thanks!

Branson

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 21:50:01 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE Windshield re-re Rare Fac. amber tint

Hello
I wrote

>>>Also how faded is your orig windshield upper blu visor?,,are there any
stone chips? 
>>>>>>>>>>Funny story time,
I was once at a car show,there was a fellow with a Sunburnt to the point of Amber colored formely blu visor on his upper windshield.
He swore it was the Rare factory Amber tinted visor windshield :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> stone chips that could spread?
>> 
>>>>>>Ever park your car on the west side of a tree or building?
In the morning its shaded and cold inside car, when the sun comes on it fast with summer heat a small stone chip or crack can travel 18 inches or more fast!
>>>>>>>>
Good luck!
Wandy H.
Maple Syrup B.C.

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:41:33 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Spark plugs and miles

As mentioned, plugs will go 100,000 miles and more.  It is important to 
pull them at 50-60,000 miles, clean and re-gap, clean threads and 
re-install.  The important thing is to clean the threads.  Usually 
re-gapping is not necessary.  It is often difficult to remove plugs with 
over 90,000 miles, and you can damage the threads in the head, especially 
aluminum heads.  I always use a small amount of never sieze to prevent 
stuck plugs after many years/miles.  Cheal insurance.

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 19:46:51 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield install

On late model unibody cars, the glass is actually an important part of the 
body structure/strength.  It is absolutely necessary to install the 
windshield and rear window using the correct sealant/adhesive and the 
proper techniques. In the case of a roll over, an improperly installed 
windshield can easily pop out, greatly reducing the strength of the roof 
structure, therefore collapsing much easier.  In the earlier days of 
unibody construction (80's) there were many accidents of this nature and 
many lawsuits because glass popped out and injuries/deaths were higher.  If 
installing glass in a unibody, be sure you have the process and materials 
down right.

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 23:51:35 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: Windshield install/accidents

Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net> wrote:

>On late model unibody cars, the glass is actually an important part of the 
>body structure/strength.  It is absolutely necessary to install the 
>windshield and rear window using the correct sealant/adhesive and the 
>proper techniques. In the case of a roll over, an improperly installed 
>windshield can easily pop out, greatly reducing the strength of the roof 
>structure, therefore collapsing much easier.  In the earlier days of 
>unibody construction (80's) there were many accidents of this nature and 
>many lawsuits because glass popped out and injuries/deaths were higher.  If 
>installing glass in a unibody, be sure you have the process and materials 
>down right.
>
>Joe Varley
>       AZ
>
>
Hello
I never had a G body,,But a Long time ago i did test my windshield install on a A body.
A truck hit this Beautiful 1976 Cutlass at full speed after it ran a red light.
http://www.angelfire.com/rock2/cutlass7276/nose2.jpg
Notice the installed by Randy winder still in one piece,well designed car helped to i sure.
Sure glad i was in a Larger car!
Gee i miss that car :(
Love the new house$ :)
Drive safe!
Randy H.


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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 01:54:03 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: Heater control valve

Hello
Once bit twice shy,control valve years ago went at the wrong place at the wrong time.
I use no control valve just a straight fitting direct to heater core. Cool temps = H.P.
The heater core is like a aux. rad. my water is always circulating.
I just close/ open the airduct vent to cool motor or heat car.
On one of the cars i pop the hood to do this,never seemed a problem to me?
Randy(the cooler the better)H.


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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 02:11:38 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: coil spring mix-n-match

"Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> wrote:

>If that's what you want to do, quit arguing with yourself, and do it! It
>will work fine as long as nothing drags on the ground at your tailend.
>
>>>>>>>>>
Hello
Do ya mean like this?
http://www.superbikemagazine.co.uk/images/for_web/downloads/video_thumbs/16_4_4/MD-80.mpeg
Or maybe ya meant mo like this?
http://tta.eunux.com/movies/Trans%20Am%20wheelie.mpeg
Olds content we race sept 24-25.
i better sleep....and quit surfin
http://www.horsepowerheaven.com/features_all/2004features/wheelievids.htm
i did see two wheel standing Olds 68-72 on this site,,but i too sleepy to remember where:O
Randy H.
Drive safe!

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:04:14 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

> Don't get me wrong, I think the Cutlass will still come out much better
off
> than the Toyota, but using a truck, even a small one, is an unfair
> comparision because of the bumper height issue.

- ---------------------

Not sure about that.  My '79 98 toalled a 3/4 ton F*rd van that decided to U
turn in front of me unexpectedly some years ago.  Broken frame.  The F*rd
looked driveable at first, but the whole thing just collapsed on the LH side
when it tried to pull away.  The 98 needed some front clip sheetmetal and a
radiator.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:26:09 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OCA Sucks!

62oldsfan@comcast.net wrote:
>We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know 
>if the results are available on-line?
++++++++++++++++++++
I doubt it.  They were barely available at the banquet.  Even then, they 
gave
the owner's name, but didn't tell or show what the car was.  I have no idea 
what
most of the Best of Class winners were.
Paul
++++++++++++++++++++
Makes me all the less sorry I cancelled my OCA membership.
They are a dinosaur just waitng to die...
John Pajak
http://jspajak.tripod.com
=====================================================

Well, probably they suck, anyhow, I'll give them 1 more chance to straighten 
out their snafu when I hit them with all the evidence.
I have still not been able to get the proof of correct-ish regiustration off 
to the officials, but the last thing I heard from Mr. Blood was decidedly 
UN-friendly "you heard me right, you ain't getting SQUAT from us, screw 
you". In perhaps nicer terms, but that was the gist of it. Where's the fun 
in THAT? Ya know what really galls my threads, besides the unfettered 
arrogance and total lack of friendliness after the money changed hands, and 
the lies and deception? It's that NOT ONCE did any of them ever say, "Yeah, 
ok, hardship cases can be considered, so, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE 
YOU DONE FOR THE HOBBY LATELY?" Which of course would have a) shown a 
wilingness to accomodate and FIX THEIR ERROR, and b) given me a chance to 
extoll my virtues.
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Chris Witt
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:06:18 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

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In a message dated 9/17/2004 9:12:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
fsnissen@worldnet.att.net writes:

Not sure  about that.  My '79 98 toalled a 3/4 ton F*rd van that decided to  U
turn in front of me unexpectedly some years ago.  Broken  frame.  The F*rd
looked driveable at first, but the whole thing just  collapsed on the LH side
when it tried to pull away.  The 98 needed  some front clip sheetmetal and a
radiator.




Allow me to add my Delta to the mix. Was rear-ended by a Pathfinder the  
other day. I was stopped at a light. He was fidgeting with his radio and never  
saw me. Luckily, neither of us was hurt, but I had to secretly laugh when I  saw 
the look on his face as he viewed the damage to his truck compared to  my 
Olds. There was the wrecker, lifting his mangled mess, bleeding  green, pieces of 
Japanese plastic lens and grille material all over the  road, while I drove 
off with a cracked taillight. The Delta bumper absorber  prevented any damage. 
Cost me $90 for the "can w/tailight" and bumper  absorber, from Desert dog.
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 08:16:03 -0700
From: Curt Brennan <cabrennan@charter.net>
Subject: '65 Riviera for sale...............

Incase anyone is interested or knows anyone who may be...........

Solid restorable '65 Buick Riviera

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2489145531

1965 Riviera......very little rust.....very restorable......West Coast Car
Located in Eastern Washington State

Email me off list for more ephotos or info.  The auction is over tonite.

Curt
Cabrennan@charter.net

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:31:01 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: '65 Riviera for sale...............

Sweet riv, shouldn't hat have the clam shels though?

Allen Schwartz
Alpine Paving Services, LLC
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Curt Brennan" <cabrennan@charter.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 10:16 AM
Subject: '65 Riviera for sale...............


> Incase anyone is interested or knows anyone who may be...........
>
> Solid restorable '65 Buick Riviera
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2489145531
>
> 1965 Riviera......very little rust.....very restorable......West Coast Car
> Located in Eastern Washington State
>
> Email me off list for more ephotos or info.  The auction is over tonite.
>
> Curt
> Cabrennan@charter.net
>
>

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 11:31:24 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

At Friday, 17 September 2004, you wrote:
>Was rear-ended by a Pathfinder the other day. I was stopped 
>at a light. He was fidgeting with his radio and never 
>saw me. Luckily, neither of us was hurt, but I had to secretly laugh

Why "secretly" laugh??  Laugh in all its full glory; roll on the 
ground uncontrollably, make the idiots see what fools they're being 
;o\  "And you're paying HOW much each month for that plastic POS 
and its insurance??????"

It's like I do when I get a marketing phone call from Comcast trying 
to get me to shell out still more money (I'm already bent over, sh***ing 
out $112/month merely for basic cable + internet access) for their 
useless "digital" TV; or SBC calling to get me to subscribe to still 
more money-wasting "frills" like call-waiting or the like: I start 
out with a gentle chuckle, which gradually turns into a full, all-
out guffaw with sounds of rolling on the floor, laughing my a** off,
all the while holding the phone receiver so they can hear me  :o))))))))))) 
Finally, after a few minutes, I hang up.

SteveH



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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:53:29 -0500
From: "Branson Sparks" <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Headlight doors/cornering light lenses for Delta 88

Greetings, all.

It's a long story that deals with an idiot and a ditzy
girl, but the bottom line of everything is that I have been
hit twice... Only damage to my '85 88 was the headlight
doors/trim piece thingy that goes around the headlights and
contains the cornering lights on both sides. Just wondering
if anyone new where I could pick up a left and right side
trim piece in good condition. Went yarding around here and
was told by many "sorry, we don't have anything that
old"... very depressing.

TIA,
Branson

P.S. For all that are wondering, here's the story:
Driver's side piece was hit by an idiot in a burgandy F*rd
Expedition that ran through a stop sign and decided to
drive on after he hit me.

The second piece was hit in our school parking lot when a
girl backed into me in a F*rd Explorer. She hit it pretty
good, because I found pieces of the lens under my car. My
damage? One piece of broken trim. Her damage? A huge dent
in the side of Daddy's Explorer. I love American heavy
metal :-)

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 12:34:15 -0400
From: "Bill Reilly" <william.reilly@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The flimsiness of Toys (was: Andy's on a rant again)

I'll play devil's advocate for a second.

Yes, our Older full frame cars are stonger, however, newer cars are safer.
With new cars, the vehicle itself is designed to absorb all of the impact in
a collision.  That's why they turn into a mangled mess.  Our full frame
older cars will witstand more of an impact with less damage, but the people
inside are more likely to suffer injuries. Your body gets jolted around more
if you are inside a full frame vehicle during an accident.  Newer cars are
designed with crumple zones to absorb the impact and let the occupants feel
less bounced around.

The trade off for safety is that a "minor fender bender" in a new car  costs
several thousand dollars to repair due to the crumple zones and airbags.

Bill Reilly


> Olds. There was the wrecker, lifting his mangled mess, bleeding  green,
pieces of
> Japanese plastic lens and grille material all over the  road, while I
drove
> off with a cracked taillight. The Delta bumper absorber  prevented any
damage.
> Cost me $90 for the "can w/tailight" and bumper  absorber, from Desert
dog.
>
> Bruce
> 75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 13:39:35 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Happy 1/2 way to St. Patricks day

Hi everyone
    Let me be the first to wish all of you a Happy Half-way till St. 
Patricks Day! Only 6 months to green beer.
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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