
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, October 22 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5067



Re: museum visit
Steering Box Rebuild
piston tolerances
RE: License suspensions
Re: speaking of license suspensions... long winded alert...
Re: piston tolerances
Re: License suspensions
paint, was Re: License suspensions
Re: Yoko or Kumho?
The Weirdest Holley Carbs I've Ever Seen!
Paints (was Re: License suspensions)

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:13:48 -0400
From: "Zito, James A (GE Energy)" <james.zito@ps.ge.com>
Subject: Re: museum visit

The 2005 Cadillac STS AWD claims to have THREE differentials.  What's up
with 
that?

Ok here goes.... AWD vehicles do have 3 diffys.
One up front 
One out back 
and one in the middle....called can you imagine it a center differential....

The middle one allows the front and rear axles to spin at different rates.
This compensates for differences in speed between the front and rear wheels.

Jim

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:13:59 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Steering Box Rebuild

"I ended up with the quick ratio re-built box for $125 including
shipping!
Chip gets $229 plus shipping.  Glad someone's got money to burn, it's
certainly not me."

Sorry - did not see the recommended place on the list.

I guess that makes me a target for comments like the one
above......sheeeesh............

Paul Tumolo

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:41:13 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: piston tolerances

Generic motor rebuild question:

What is the typical tolerance of new aluminum pistons? Not forged
performance parts, but standard everyday replacements. Like a 3" diameter
piston that's supposed to be +.020 from stock... will it be +/- .005?
Better/worse?

drc

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:05:17 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: RE: License suspensions

No, I didn't get hurt in the van accident.  The van has $4,800.00 in 
damage, with one area "open".  It may also need a steering box.  2 weeks or 
so to have it fixed.

Joe Varley
     AZ

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:01:29 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions... long winded alert...

> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:00:31 -0400
> From: <1979hurstolds@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions... long winded alert...
> 
> Howdy Gang...
> 
> As long as this topic has come up on the list, I'd like to ask a few
> questions.  

>  Well - I hate Las Vegas though so that's out but either Flagstaff or 
> Phoenix would be nice.  So I know there's
> some guys from all these areas on the list and I'm hoping 
> some of you could write me privately and go over some of the particulars 
> of vehicle registration and hopefully also give me a few pro's and con's 
> of your particular city.  

Here in Phoenix (Maricopa County) we have emissions testing on all vehicles from 1967 on up. Vehicle registration is $8, title is $4, air quality sticker is $1.50, but then there's the vehicle license tax. The VLT is based on an assessed value of 60% of the manufacturer's base retail price reduced by 16.25% for each year. The rate is calculated as $2.80 (new vehicles)/$2.89 (used vehicles) for each $100 of the assessed value. I think my '71 finally bottomed out at around $20 or so.

Here's a link with more info: http://www.dot.state.az.us/mvd/faqs/scripts/faqs.asp?section=tr#2


Joe Varley may be able to give you more info as he does a lot more car buying and selling than I do. I have just three daily driver vehicles that have been in my possession for many, many years.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:12:05 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: piston tolerances

Dave,

> What is the typical tolerance of new aluminum pistons? Not forged
> performance parts, but standard everyday replacements. Like a 3" diameter
> piston that's supposed to be +.020 from stock... will it be +/- .005?
> Better/worse?


Are you talking about the skirt diameter where the piston is measured for
fitting into the bore for bore clearance? If so, the bore diameter on each
piston in a full set of pistons should not vary by more than +/- 0.0005".
Anything else, and each piston will have to be individually fitted to each
piston bore. That's not the way it's supposed to be done. I've seen custom
forged piston sets where the diameter difference between 8 pistons or 10
pistons could not be measured. They were that accurate. TRW and Sealed Power
pistons typically were held to +/- 0.0005" for all pistons under that part
number, whether they were forged, cast, or OEM design.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:03:36 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: License suspensions

For all you described, if that same accident occurred here in Spokane, it
would have been almost double that. Heck, if that is the case, I could have
my 98 shipped to AZ. for it's new paint job.  Since I brought it up, what is
the consensus about paint. What is "really" better, original lacquer of the
new "poly whatyamacallit", that as far as I can tell, isn't as shiny as a
well done Lacquer. And it does not seem to last any longer when exposed to
the elements. I am interested in any and all opinions.

Rick Messenger Spokane WA.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe & Gloria Varley" <carcouple@cox.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2004 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: License suspensions, and now, Paint Jobs. Chime in!


> No, I didn't get hurt in the van accident.  The van has $4,800.00 in
> damage, with one area "open".  It may also need a steering box.  2 weeks
or
> so to have it fixed.
>
> Joe Varley
>      AZ
>
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:51:58 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: paint, was Re: License suspensions

Rick,

> Since I brought it up, what is
> the consensus about paint. What is "really" better, original lacquer of
the
> new "poly whatyamacallit", that as far as I can tell, isn't as shiny as a
> well done Lacquer. And it does not seem to last any longer when exposed to
> the elements. I am interested in any and all opinions.


You must have seen mediocre quality polymer paints. A good quality
polyurethane, urethane, or epoxy paint can last forever. Some of the polymer
paints are so "self-polishing" they will always look wet. Thunder had DuPont
IMRON applied in the spring of 1979 in Missoura, before I moved to Tucson.
The paint was extremely shiny, and it's still extremely shiny and in
excellent condition. IMRON was one of the first di-isocyanate polymer
paints. It was originally developed to paint and protect Navy aircraft from
salt-water corrosion and to paint heavy construction equipment. IMRON is
very hard and can be cleaned easily with lacquer thinner, which has no
affect on the cured paint. I would always use a polymer paint for
automobiles.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 22:11:46 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Paul Pate" <rocket455@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Yoko or Kumho?

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:23:12 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: The Weirdest Holley Carbs I've Ever Seen!

Listmembers,

I was browsing eBay a week or so ago and stumbled upon some really odd Holley 
carbs.  While they'll never be used again in their complete state, some parts 
will find their way into other Holleys I use.  For five bucks apiece they 
were worth it for parts alone!  Now I know many on this list don't like Holley 
carbs, but I've usually had fair dealings with them and the road 
racing/autocross community have some mild restrictions on carb size based on the Holley 
square bore.  Anyway, here's the critters in question:

List # 6742 -- 1974 GMC 366 engine
List # 6771 -- 1974 Dodge Truck 413 engine
List # 6928 -- 1975 GMC 366 engine
List # 6929 -- 1975 GMC 427 engine

The book I have gives me rebuild kits and original applications, but what I'm 
looking for are CFM, jet and power valve sizes -- anyone know where to look?

I told you they were weird, now here's some details:

1) All of these carbs have huge additions bolted on both the throttle 
cable/rod side as well as the choke/vacuum secondary side.

2) All of these carbs have metering blocks on both the primary and secondary 
side (model 4150), but all have the idle mixture screws on the secondary side. 
 The secondary metering blocks don't have a provision for a power valve.  The 
primary metering blocks don't have provisions for idle mixture screws.  One I 
opened (6742) had the wildest power valve I've ever seen, it didn't have any 
ID on it and didn't look at all like a typical Holley power valve.

3) The boosters in the venturis don't look at all like typical Holley stuff, 
either.

My plans are to salvage the secondary metering blocks to convert 4160 carbs 
(with the little secondary metering plate instead of the full-on metering 
block) to 4150 carbs on Chelsea's RX-7 and my Starfire (have Edelbrock V-6 manifold 
than only takes square-bore carbs and a 450 Holley to rebuild) and have a 
couple of spares for anything else I want to play with down the road.  This 
allows fine secondary tuning with regular Holley jets (that I have a ton of thanks 
to other parts carbs, a jet set and others bought in my "roundy round" days) 
which is made easier by the special float bowls I have -- they have plugs you 
unscrew on the front that are lined up with the jets and a special holder to 
get them in and out with.

If anyone can shed any light on these I'd be really appreciative.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:19:04 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Paints (was Re: License suspensions)

> my 98 shipped to AZ. for it's new paint job.  Since I brought it up, what
is
> the consensus about paint. What is "really" better, original lacquer of
the
> new "poly whatyamacallit", that as far as I can tell, isn't as shiny as a
> well done Lacquer. And it does not seem to last any longer when exposed to
> the elements. I am interested in any and all opinions.

Laquers are brittle and tend to crack and chip easily. They don't hold up to
solvents. Some colors will fade and get chalky under UV sunlight. Clear and
white laquers tend to craze if put on too thickly.

Modern Urethanes are far more durable. They have better adhesion, more
flexibility, solvent resistance, and can be layered for custom effects
without worrying about build depth.

Laquer is dead. RIP.

drc

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