
oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, October 2 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5043



Re: Sue the OCA?
Re: digital instrument cluster for 1989 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL
Re: Car Title Info.
Re: Car Title Info.
the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!
Re: Hot strippers and such
RE: trunk seal
1968  98 rear
RE: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!
Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits
Questions for BC list members
OCA replies at last?
1968  98 rea
Re: OCA replies at last?
Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits
Re: 1968  98 rea
Re: 1968  98 rea-POSI

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 10:48:52 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sue the OCA?

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I have an idea,
 
Let's just all be done with Oldsmobile,  donate all of our cars and  parts to 
a certain not for profit organization,  and buy Mustangs  instead!!!
 
;)
 
Rev. Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 09:47:49 -0500
From: Bob Edwards <bedwards@uark.edu>
Subject: Re: digital instrument cluster for 1989 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL

kw,

Thanks for your reply. I live in Fayetteville, Arkansas so Dallas isn't too 
far away, however I am a student and work full time, so taking a day off 
would be tough. Do you have a ball park idea what one of the full digital 
dash wo8uld run at Pick N Pull ?

With Appreciation,

Bob Edwards

At 04:44 PM 9/30/2004, you wrote:
>The Pick 'N' Pull in my area (Dallas, TX) has at least two of the Supremes 
>with the 'full' digital dash (analog style speedo and tach, full gauges), 
>and a bunch more with the 'basic' digital dash.
>I wouldn't have any problem buying it from them, if I purchased the 
>warranty. I would probably take the car to the wrecking yard with the 
>gauge cluster loose, so I could swap it out there in the parking lot to 
>check it.
>I actually have one of those gauge clusters - I'm going to attempt to put 
>it in my '70 Cutlass. The only thing I need is a circuit to drive the 
>tach, sinc it actully pulls data off of the ALDL stream from the ECU, 
>rather than a dedicated tach line. Everything else uses normal gauge 
>senders, and a pulse generator for the speedo. I got my cluster from eBay, 
>by the way.
>
>krw
>On Sep 29, 2004, at 1:31 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
>
>>Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 12:15:01 -0500
>>From: Bob Edwards <bedwards@uark.edu>
>>Subject: digital instrument cluster for 1989 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL
>>
>>I post this to solicit advice from those wiser than I in the Oldsmobile
>>way. I have just purchased a '89 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL that has a digital
>>instrument panel. The Center most portion (speedometer, gas gauge, etc)
>>does not work.  Any thoughts on whether it is best to buy one from a
>>salvage yard or find a source for a new or rebuilt ?  This car is my baby,
>>and I plan on keeping it for many years to come.
>>
>>Respectfully,
>>Bob Edwards
>>Fayetteville, Arkansas
>On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>
>Kevin Wright
>krwright@sbcglobal.net
>Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
>http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html
>
>'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
>http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
>
>Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
>And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
>...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
>parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 16:01:56 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Car Title Info.

>These sites are great, however do you check your older
>Oldsmobiles? Seems the older cars do not have enough
>digits in the VIN? Anyone have any clues?

Yes, prior to 1981, there was no international standard for VIN layouts, so 
every manufacturer concocted their own. Consequently there are few databases 
out there that offer to parse them all, although we've had a couple of 
home-made Olds VIN decoder websites made up. (I don't have the URLs at this 
moment but Googling should find them if someone else here doesn't volunteer 
them first.)

There are also some reference books out there that break out VIN and option 
codes (e.g. from the body data plates); Cars & Parts magazine (Amos Press) 
has some titles... um... yes, here we go:

http://www.amosadvantage.com/scottonline/productgroup.asp?category=XCPIDG&part%5Fno=&Tab=ca

If that link doesn't seem to work or wraps badly on your monitor, this will 
get you to the same place:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?C5B952C69

Good luck.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 12:15:15 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Car Title Info.

There is this one, but it doesn't give you the history of the car, just how
many were made, where, type of car.

http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds/vin/

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:42:17 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!

Not Olds-related (yet), but I thought I'd pass this on. Tell your friends. I
put up a quickie web page here:

http://oldcarnetwork.com/69camaro.html

this is a complete welded shell from the firewall to the tail lamp panel and
from the frame rails to the windshield frame. This body includes all of the
structural parts, brackets and braces already welded in place. No nose,
doors, or trunk lid (available separately).

Twenty of these have been assembled so far, and there will be lots more once
some licensing issues have been worked out. They are going to cost in the
range of $10k to $11k.

The 69 Camaro convertible is the first of many planned. Next will be the 69
Camaro coupe, then the 68 Camaro coupe & convertible, possibly 67 as well,
67, 68, and 69 Mustang convertibles and fastbacks are planned, 1967 Nova, as
well as some 1950s trucks. For the cars, they are doing unibody cars first,
but there is also a plan to release somewhere down the road a 1967 Chevelle
convertible, and possibly a GTO.

There was an article in HotRod Magazine that implied that these were being
made by Classic Industries. That's not true. Panels from C.I. were used in
the design of the prototype, which was assembled by C.A.R.S. Inc. The design
was done by DII. DII, has now spun off a new company called Dynacorn Classic
Bodies Inc., and they are the ones actually designing and developing all
these bodies.

Cool man!

John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 15:45:12 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hot strippers and such

dam it were busted.
 my dad had a c Delco  tattooed to his but I think. all I ever heard was ac Delco is better,  well 
after working on gm cars and using ac Delco. I would now say its a just a marketing name.
for filters Baldwin is what I use, for oil castrole gtx, gaskets victor reinze. its just a matter of 
what works for each person.  but  name brands are not like they used to be.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: Hot strippers and such


> Ron, you been talkin to my wife haven't you. She has been reading all of
> this and she said, "See, I know somthing after all about cars". She has
> bought AC filters for me many times.
>
> Rick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Hot strippers and such
>
>
>> now beat youre head  against the wall and repeat i will only use a/c delco
> on my gm car.lol
>> i used to like hastings but had one clogg, then purilator blew appart,
> baldwin was the ticket.
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 7:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: Hot strippers and such
>>
>>
>> >I thought about this all last nite, and today. Since I got a good
> "rubbing"
>> > about my Fram fettish. I should come clean.
>> >
>> > My name is Rick Messenger, and I am a Framaholic ;  I feel so much
> better
>> > now.
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
>> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:18 PM
>> > Subject: RE: Hot strippers and such
>> >
>> >
>> >> That's like going into a hardware store and asking the guy where his
>> > "caulk"
>> >> is (gotta pronounce it just right). Then tell him you plan to do a lot
> of
>> >> caulking and you want to you want to make sure you have the right caulk
>> > for
>> >> the job, etc...
>> >>
>> >> John Nasta
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >>
>> >> I saw a can of "Fogging Oil" at the store the other day.
>> >> Hey, you guys got any FOGGING OIL in here?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
> 

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:14:21 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: trunk seal

Pat,

Sorry I didn't respond sooner but I was out sick.

> Or maybe years of putting stuff in and out of the 
> trunk and banging it on the seal lip has slowly bent it downward?


That is exactly what I was going to tell you. When I bought the '71 convertible there was a HUGE gap at the lower rear edge. I deduced that it was due to the former owners (who used the car to haul a horse trailer) throwing heavy horse related stuff into the trunk and onto the rear vertical trunk lip. If you look at the vertical section of the panel behind the bumper, you will see that it has a couple of bends in it, making it sorta accordion-like, and apparently it can collapse somewhat if enough weight is placed on it. I confirmed my suspicions by grasping the gasket area on either side of the trunk latch and pulling upwards as hard as I possibly could. I managed to move the metal enough to close up a nearly 1" gap! Give it a try on your car and see what happens.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 13:21:50 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: 1968  98 rear

> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:58:53 -0400
> From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
> Subject: RE: 1968  98 rear
> 
> Sorry it is a "O" type.


>From what I have read and been told, the "big car" O-Type innards are not interchangeable with the A-body O-type innards. I can not personally confirm this information, I am merely passing along what I have read and heard. If you want to contact someone who knows for sure, Brian Trick is the man: bltrick@aol.com

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 16:22:40 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: the BRAND NEW 69 Camaro convertibles are coming!!

p.s. Classic Industries went ahead and announced that these would be $10k
plus delivery. The fact is that DII hasn't even set a dealer price yet, and
was planning on including the doors and trunk lid, but now they are not
going to include those panels because there is no way to keep the price down
to $10k with those included. They also haven't worked out whether or not GM
is going to force them to license this product, and since GM gets 10% of the
wholesale price of any Authorized GM parts, that is another factor that may
cause the price to be a little higher. DII says that they will *try to* keep
the wholesale cost at a level where they can sell retail for $10k, but it
depends on the licensing issue, and it's a little bit unfortunate that they
won't be coming with the doors and trunk lid pre-installed.

John Nasta

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Date: Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:00:37 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits

So, I procrastinated too long this week; didn't sit down earlier and pick
out just which timing set and gasket kit I wanted. As a result, now that
I've had a looksee and found what I'd *like* to have, I find that nobody
seems to stock them and it'll take over a week to get either as both seem
to have to be shipped cross-country from Southern California  ;o((((

Specifically, I was interested in either Clevite or Cloyes 9-2113 although
9-1113 or 9-3113 would also work. The 2113 has 0.22" rollers while the
other two are 0.25" rollers. Both are double-roller with 3-way keyed crank
sprockets. While half a dozen places list it as orderable, nobody seems to
stock it on the east coast  ;o( PAW, Jeg's, Advance and Summit can order
them. Shortest delivery seems to be by PAW and it's still 6 working days
;o( NAPA could order an equivalent timing set having the same PN but their
price is almost DOUBLE what everybody charges, $159.

Then I discovered there's a gasket kit called a "conversion kit" that has
all the gaskets for both timing chain replacment (including the fuel and
water pumps) and oil pan (for those, like myself, who feel the need to drop
the pan to clean out all the nylon bits and pieces ;o(  The Felpro number
is CS8171-2. NAPA apparently doesn't carry Felpro no mo  ;o( and the
counterman couldn't find a Victor equivalent. The cost of the Felpro kit is
insignificant, less than $15 but again, NOBODY seems to have it in stock or
deliverable in less than a week or so  ;o((((((

So, I'm now wondering what the HECK is everybody else buying, and where.
With all the 307s still on the road, one might think these parts would be
readily-available even at yer corner grocery store  ;o|

With that kind of delivery time, it looks like the BBA will be outta
commission for at least another 2 weeks and more likely 3. I fully expect a
rainy weekend exactly three weeks from this weekend; the rain storms seem
to come about every 4 weeks around here.

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 18:16:44 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Questions for BC list members

I saw a van at the side of the road today that had "Air Care On Road" painted on all sides. Complete with police style
light bar and all. He had an older cavalier pulled over at the side of the road.

Have they started using portable sniffers in the lower mainland ???

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:49:31 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OCA replies at last?

Got a e-mail from the illustrious Bob Casey
have not opened it yet
Much like them, I think a wait of oh a month or so might be in order.

CBWitt

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Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 22:56:25 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1968  98 rea

Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:49:30 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: 1968  98 rear

This question is specific to a 1968 Olds 98. Are the ring/pinion and
differential the std GM corporate 12 bolt? Looking to change gears and add a
EATON posi. Seems that the guts of the unit are std GM 12 bolt hardware.
Don't want to get the wrong stuff.

Thanks in advance

Jack
====================
Type O with a Hugh Jass 9+3/8 ring gear, I believe.
PS I have a 68 98 with a posi unit, but the ratio is the economical version 
I am sure.
Not too much $ for just the posi unit.

CBWitt

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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:39:34 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: OCA replies at last?

Chris, don't play their game........., answer the letter. If you wait, just
to get even , then reply much later; you won't have a prayer in court. Now's
your chance.  Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 7:49 PM
Subject: OCA replies at last?


> Got a e-mail from the illustrious Bob Casey
> have not opened it yet
> Much like them, I think a wait of oh a month or so might be in order.
>
> CBWitt
>
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Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 23:51:09 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Olds 3-Pc Timing Sets & "Conversion" Gasket Kits

Service at the car parts places has really suffered lately.

Bruce Roe

2 Oct 2004  Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net> writes:

> I'm now wondering what the HECK is everybody else buying, and 
> where.   With all the 307s still on the road, one might think these
parts 
> would be readily-available even at yer corner grocery store 

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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 04:41:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doyle Kerry Doyle <roseellen99@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: 1968  98 rea

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Hello Chris
Saw the mention of the Posi.  Wondering if that will fit in my 68 442 12 bolt rear?
Kerry

Christopher Witt <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> wrote:
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:49:30 -0400
From: Jack Kopf 
Subject: 1968 98 rear

This question is specific to a 1968 Olds 98. Are the ring/pinion and
differential the std GM corporate 12 bolt? Looking to change gears and add a
EATON posi. Seems that the guts of the unit are std GM 12 bolt hardware.
Don't want to get the wrong stuff.

Thanks in advance

Jack
====================
Type O with a Hugh Jass 9+3/8 ring gear, I believe.
PS I have a 68 98 with a posi unit, but the ratio is the economical version 
I am sure.
Not too much $ for just the posi unit.

CBWitt

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<DIV>Hello Chris</DIV>
<DIV>Saw the mention of the Posi.&nbsp; Wondering if that will fit in my 68 442 12 bolt rear?</DIV>
<DIV>Kerry<BR><BR><B><I>Christopher Witt &lt;rocketscience442@hotmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:49:30 -0400<BR>From: Jack Kopf <JKOPF@OPTONLINE.NET><BR>Subject: 1968 98 rear<BR><BR>This question is specific to a 1968 Olds 98. Are the ring/pinion and<BR>differential the std GM corporate 12 bolt? Looking to change gears and add a<BR>EATON posi. Seems that the guts of the unit are std GM 12 bolt hardware.<BR>Don't want to get the wrong stuff.<BR><BR>Thanks in advance<BR><BR>Jack<BR>====================<BR>Type O with a Hugh Jass 9+3/8 ring gear, I believe.<BR>PS I have a 68 98 with a posi unit, but the ratio is the economical version <BR>I am sure.<BR>Not too much $ for just the posi unit.<BR><BR>CBWitt<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! <BR>http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rodney Kohler <srprojmgr4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 1968  98 rea-POSI

While we are on this subject, what will fit in a 1970
442? Everyone that has one seems to wnat too much$$. I
thought us OLD collectors stuck together. My 3:42 open
just does not have enough GRIP for my beast. Can
anyone assist?
- --- Doyle Kerry Doyle <roseellen99@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:

> Hello Chris
> Saw the mention of the Posi.  Wondering if that will
> fit in my 68 442 12 bolt rear?
> Kerry
> 
> Christopher Witt <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:49:30 -0400
> From: Jack Kopf 
> Subject: 1968 98 rear
> 
> This question is specific to a 1968 Olds 98. Are the
> ring/pinion and
> differential the std GM corporate 12 bolt? Looking
> to change gears and add a
> EATON posi. Seems that the guts of the unit are std
> GM 12 bolt hardware.
> Don't want to get the wrong stuff.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Jack
> ====================
> Type O with a Hugh Jass 9+3/8 ring gear, I believe.
> PS I have a 68 98 with a posi unit, but the ratio is
> the economical version 
> I am sure.
> Not too much $ for just the posi unit.
> 
> CBWitt
> 
>
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