
oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 30 2004       Volume 01 : Number 5005



Torque Tech
Re: cowl screen
Re: Torque Tech
TH400 filter hold-down variation?
Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?
FYA: THE INFORMATION YOU WILL USE............
piston speed vs crank angle
Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation? - part 3
2004 Nats- Bloomington, MN
Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?
Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?
Re: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach
Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?
Re: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach
RE: 403 Throwing Belts - an odd idea
Dick Miller Racing Discount
Re: MSD/pics, points conversion/tach

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 08:27:55 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Torque Tech

Just finished the install of the Torque Tech 2.5" mandel bent exhaust
kit. I used DynoMax Super Turbos as mufflers (the 20" long version).
This is the stock manifold system. 

If you read my earlier post, I was not happy with the customer service,
the slow shipping, and the packaging.....however, I can say that the
system fits my 70 442 BETTER than a glove! The trumpet tips are
perfectly positioned, and the system tucks up under the car better than
the old system that was a custom bent system. 

I will say that the product exceeded my expectations! 

Going for a drive - will post results later. 

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 07:48:58 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: cowl screen

I went to the local ACE Hardware and picked up a piece of galvanized 
hardware cloth that is darn near the perfect size.  I used my old screen as 
a template and cut out a new one using a die grinder and cuttoff wheel.  I 
happenned to find a small piece of steel the correct size for the bump, so I 
layed it under the new screen in the correct location, clamped it in place, 
and carefully pushed the surounding screen down with another piece of steel. 
  A block of wood the correct thickness would work as well.  After the new 
screen was formed, the semi-gloss Krylon came out and both sides were 
painted.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 09:37:14 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Torque Tech

Paul,
How do you determine that the tips are "positioned perfectly"?  Also, what
was the cost of your new system?
Scott
71 442 Conv
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:27 AM
Subject: Torque Tech


> Just finished the install of the Torque Tech 2.5" mandel bent exhaust
> kit. I used DynoMax Super Turbos as mufflers (the 20" long version).
> This is the stock manifold system.
>
> If you read my earlier post, I was not happy with the customer service,
> the slow shipping, and the packaging.....however, I can say that the
> system fits my 70 442 BETTER than a glove! The trumpet tips are
> perfectly positioned, and the system tucks up under the car better than
> the old system that was a custom bent system.
>
> I will say that the product exceeded my expectations!
>
> Going for a drive - will post results later.
>
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 Hardtop
> OCA # 31967
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 16:50:49 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: TH400 filter hold-down variation?

Folks,

I'm busy dropping the pan on my TH400 in hopes of putting in a new 
filter and a somewhat deeper B&M pan. When I went to unbolt the old 
filter, I found it was held in place by a spring steel clip, rather 
than a bolt. When I withdrew the bolt that held the clip in place, it 
turned out to be longer than the "extended" one B&M had supplied so 
the filter would hang lower in their pan. The removed  bolt's hole 
appears to be farther over to the passenger side than where it should 
be. If a go out and buy an even longer bolt, the filter will be 
skewed over toward that side, rather than hanging roughly parallel to 
the drive line. There looks to be a bump right about where that bolt 
should thread in.

I've put a picture of the two bolts, and the clip, on this page:
http://www.johnlivingston.com/th400_filter_bolts.htm

Is there a good way to salvage this situation? Am I - as is so often 
the case - overlooking the obvious? Am I stuck using the old pan? 
It's a bit breezy out, so I'd like to get this buttoned back up 
before a bunch of dust gets blown into places it shouldn't be.

Thanks.

John
68 442 convt.

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:09:06 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?

I've been busy trying to answer my own question. There is no reason 
to believe the transmission in my car is original. It's been in there 
the five years I've owned it but, since the engine is a replacement, 
the tranny could easily be, too.

That in mind, I noticed in the B&M instructions, that the 65 to 67 
Th400s used a different filter. Could it be I have an early 
transmission that's been kludged to work with the more recent filters?

Here's what partsamerica shows for an early (67 Olds 98) TH400 filter:
http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDetails.asp?SourceArea=&SourcePage=SEARCHRESULTS&MfrCode=FRA&MfrPartNumber=FT1013&PartType=1158&PTSet=B

I think I'll see if Advance has one in stock. The pick-up extender 
B&M includes supposedly works with this filter, too. Worth a try.

John

>Folks,
>
>I'm busy dropping the pan on my TH400 in hopes of putting in a new 
>filter and a somewhat deeper B&M pan. When I went to unbolt the old 
>filter, I found it was held in place by a spring steel clip, rather 
>than a bolt. When I withdrew the bolt that held the clip in place, 
>it turned out to be longer than the "extended" one B&M had supplied 
>so the filter would hang lower in their pan. The removed  bolt's 
>hole appears to be farther over to the passenger side than where it 
>should be. If a go out and buy an even longer bolt, the filter will 
>be skewed over toward that side, rather than hanging roughly 
>parallel to the drive line. There looks to be a bump right about 
>where that bolt should thread in.
>
>I've put a picture of the two bolts, and the clip, on this page:
>http://www.johnlivingston.com/th400_filter_bolts.htm
>
>Is there a good way to salvage this situation? Am I - as is so often 
>the case - overlooking the obvious? Am I stuck using the old pan? 
>It's a bit breezy out, so I'd like to get this buttoned back up 
>before a bunch of dust gets blown into places it shouldn't be.
>
>Thanks.
>
>John
>68 442 convt.

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:24:36 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FYA: THE INFORMATION YOU WILL USE............

>From: james cole <carlinkautos2004@yahoo.com>
>To: Christopher Witt <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>Subject: THE INFORMATION YOU WILL USE............
>Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2004 10:50:19 -0700 (PDT)
>
>DEAR Christopher Witt,
>          THIS IS THE INFORMATION YOU NEED TO SEND THE FUNDS TO THE AGENT
=========================================
>  <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> wrote:
>1) where's my apology?

You are ignoring me sir!
You must read what I write... and when I demand an apology, you WILL provide 
it before any further action can take place. Now, you will apologize to me. 
I have been out of town for a few days, and thus could not get your money 
sent yet.





AND YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT MY CUSTOMER WAS HERE WITH THE POLICE THAT I HAVE 
MADE AWAY WITH HIS MONEY PLEASE IN THE NAME OF ALMIGHTY GOD
==============
You, sir, have SOME nerve, using the name of God in your illicit 
transactions. You must have brass cajones so large that they require a fork 
truck to follow you in order to move about.



TRY AND SEND THE FUND TO THE AGENT AND LET THE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHEN IT 
WILL GOOD FOR YOU SO THAT ONCE HE COME FOR THE PICK-UP THERE WILL SOME ONE 
TO SING THE BILL OF SALES
==================
I would dearly love to hear someone sing the Bill of Sale, for sure.  
Acapella, of course.


AND GIVE OUT THE ENGINE PLEASE THIS IS TAKING MORE TIME THAN WE PLANNED.HERE 
IS THE INFORMATION I WILL WAIT TO HEAR FROM YOU.

>NAME        -  CHARLES. C. HARRIS
>
>ADDRESS  -  702 N Sam Houston Parkway East,
>                      Houston 77060, Texas USA.
>
>THEN YOU SEND ME THE MONEY TRANSFER CONTROL NUMBER(MTCN) AND THE EXACT 
>AMOUNT SENT AFTER WESTERN UNION CHARGES HAS BEEN DEDUCTED AND ALSO THE FULL 
>NAME OF THE SENDER SO THAT THEY WILL NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEM WHEN THE AGENT 
>WILL GO TO PICK-UP THE FUNDS TO START WORK.
======================
Apparently, Western Union is having some sort of problem, they can only send 
the money to a particular office. Please look up the local WU office that 
you can use in the Houston area, and let me know exactly which office you 
will be able to accept the money at, then I will send the money right away 
to that office, and everybody will be happy.



>
>I WILL CALL YOU ONCE I GET THE INFORMATION AND I WILL ALSO GIVE THE AGENT 
>YOUR PHONE NUMBER NOW TO CALL YOU.
>       THANKS FOR ALL YOUR EFFORT AND GOD BLESS.
>
>REGARDS,
>MR JAMES COLE
=========================
I cannot belive how ignorant you are, sir. It is truly asstarnishing. Your 
ignorance is exceeded only by your audacity. Please submit your apology and 
exactly which Western Union office you can pick up the cash at, and we can 
proceed.


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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days



>Chris Witt
>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>Lansing MI 48911
>
>RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
>Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
>===============================
>
>
>
>
> >From: james cole
> >To: Christopher Witt
> >Subject: STILL AWAITING UPDATE.
> >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 02:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Dear Witt,
> >
> >I am still awaiting your update on the agent's payment and the purchased
> >item. I need you to understand that i am really going through a tough 
>time
> >here with my customer's wife, who has been checking on me almost every
> >time, because by now we are supposed to have concluded this transaction,
> >since you have recieved the check payment.
> >My customer has reconfirmed from the issuing bank that the check has been
> >paid out to you, and this is beginning to make them very uncomfortable.
> >Without missing words, i must tell you that am really getting very
> >unconfortable too, because my client has been putting so much pressure on
> >me as he needs an update to know how and when the purchased property will
> >be.
> >
> >Please let me know the status of this transaction, i understand that you
> >are aware and you know very well that this delay is not good for my own
> >bussiness.
> >Now they are requesting that their money be returned back to them if we 
>are
> >no longer interested in selling anymore. Please let me know now.......
> >
> >Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Christopher Witt wrote:
> >carlinkautos2004@yahoo.com
> >
> >OK, I got the check cashed yesterday
> >I will be bringing the racing engine into town later today for shipping
> >preparations.
> >
> >The bank says I might have to wait a week or three to ensure that the 
>funds
> >clear ok from the cashier's check.
> >
> >----------------------
> >Chris Witt
> >1303 W. Miller Rd.
> >Lansing MI 48911
> >
> >RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> >
> >Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> >Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: james cole
> > >To: Christopher Witt
> > >Subject: ITEM....RACING ENGINE/I WAIT FOR THE INFORMATION
> >ASAP.............
> > >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 05:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >DEAR Christopher Witt,
> > > They said that agent is not parmanently based there in your
> > >country, due the nature of their shipping jobs, and right now the agent
> >is
> > >almost through with all other jobs that he has over there in your
> >country,
> > >so it is very important that we speed up this business much faster so
> >that
> > >we can meet up with the time frame that the agent will be spending 
>there
> >to
> > >conclude on other pick-up / shipping appointments that they have in 
>their
> > >different places.
> > >
> > >Unfortunately there had already been so much delay in the past, so my
> > >customer is getting very worried because he needs this payment sent to
> >the
> > >agent earlier enough, so that he would be sure that the agent would 
>stay
> > >back and start making arrangements to finish all the customer's own
> >pick-up
> > >/ shipping jobs before he leaves your country.
> > >
> > >They have instructed that you try make the payment to the agent earlier
> > >enough today, because as the situation is right now, it is most 
>important
> > >that we make a financial comittment with the agent, even if it means 
>that
> > >we have to make a half part payment first, so that we will have a 100%
> > >guarantee that the customer has finally secured a booking with the 
>agent
> > >for their required services.
> > >
> > >We need you to go and transfer that payment to agent early enough and
> > >immediately notify the agent and forward the payment transfer details 
>to
> > >agent via his email that i have given you below.
> > >
> > >AGENT'S EMAIL - ( sealand_delivery@your-house.com. )
> > >
> > >Please do remember that you are also required to forward the agent's
> > >payment transfer details to this my own email too, this is very 
>importand
> > >for office records and as evidence to show the customer that payment 
>has
> > >been made to the agent. You know how these agents do behave sometimes. 
>I
> > >would be expecting your mail later today with all the details.
> > >
> > >Thanks.
> > >MR.JAMES
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >OK, I should be able to get that check for $13,300 cashed on Monday.
> > >Then I can work on getting your excess sent back.
> > >I might have to send your excess back to him in the form of a cashier's
> > >check. I have one for $6500 and another for a similar amount.
> > >
> > >Say, what parts exactly was I supposed to get ready for shipment?
> > >I cannot recall... please refresh my memory, so I can start boxing up
> >your
> > >items.
> > >----------------------
> > >Chris Witt
> > >1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > >Lansing MI 48911
> > >
> > >RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> > >
> > >Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> > >Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: james cole
> > > >To: Christopher Witt
> > > >Subject: THE INFORMATION YOU REQUIRED...........
> > > >Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 14:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com/Nigerian/names_C.htm
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Dear Witt,
> > > >
> > > >NAME - CHARLES. C. HARRIS
> > > >ADDRESS - 702 N Sam Houston Parkway East,
> > > >Houston 77060, Texas USA.
> > > > I wait to hear from you as the agent is waiting to start
> > > >work.
> > > >regards,
> > > >JAMES
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:40:44 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: piston speed vs crank angle

>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Harrison
>Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:02 PM
>Subject: Re: Stroke calculations
>
>At 11:46 AM 8/21/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> Figure out the distance from TDC to the piston at 30* BTDC. Basically,
>set> >> timing with a dial indicator gage.
> >
> >Unfortunately, the piston changes speed, and therefore distance traveled,
> >during the complete piston stroke cycle.
======================
Boy, does it ever.
There are significant diffs between behavior at/near TDC vs at BDC also.



>At TDC, there's even a short dwell  time when the piston is stopped and the 
>rod is changing direction from up to down. So, the speed isn't constant and 
>that makes calculating the piston
> >position at 30 BTDC very interesting to determine.
================
Position is dirt simple. Trigonometry and such. While the piston momentarily 
stops, it would be more accurate to say that near tdc, the motion of the 
piston is very small in relation to the motion of the crankshaft [not zero].
>From piston positions at two given crank positions, and an assumed [i.e., 
entered by user] engine RPM, the average piston speed over that interval can 
readily be provided. Now it gets interesting... from piston speeds at each 
of two adjacent points in the cycle, the average acceleration on the piston 
can be calculated. Since it is acceleration that kills parts, due to the 
forces it imparts [F=ma]... one can readily see how to minimize 
accelerations [and thus forces] on the piston with various combinations of 
rod length, etc.
  I did all that a few years ago. Excel sheet, calculate all that for every 
1 degree of rotation thru the 360 degrees of interest. Not sure where it 
went to. I had it plot out the piston position, speed, and acceleration vs. 
crank angle.
   If any of you do this, PLEASE let me know if you find out any 
"interesting" things at/near TDC or BDC in regards to acceleration of the 
piston. I thought it was just a flaw in my math at first.



>Boy, talk about something to think about while lying in bed, trying to get
>to sleep. Definitely better than counting sheep  :o)))))))))))
>SteveH
==============
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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:23:25 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation? - part 3

Neither Advance nor Auto Zone had the early filter. I went to the 
Olds FAQ at 442.com  and read how to ID the trans, but couldn't 
locate the ID area on mine. Can someone give me a reference point, 
say the modulator valve, that might help me locate it? The tranny is 
pretty clean, so I don't think the ID is covered up.

I've buttoned it up with the new pan and a couple of bolts. I'll 
order the early filter from partsamerica.com, unless someone has a 
better suggestion.

John

>I've been busy trying to answer my own question. There is no reason 
>to believe the transmission in my car is original. It's been in 
>there the five years I've owned it but, since the engine is a 
>replacement, the tranny could easily be, too.
>
>That in mind, I noticed in the B&M instructions, that the 65 to 67 
>Th400s used a different filter. Could it be I have an early 
>transmission that's been kludged to work with the more recent 
>filters?
>
>Here's what partsamerica shows for an early (67 Olds 98) TH400 filter:
>http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDetails.asp?SourceArea=&SourcePage=SEARCHRESULTS&MfrCode=FRA&MfrPartNumber=FT1013&PartType=1158&PTSet=B
>
>I think I'll see if Advance has one in stock. The pick-up extender 
>B&M includes supposedly works with this filter, too. Worth a try.
>
>John
>
>>Folks,
>>
>>I'm busy dropping the pan on my TH400 in hopes of putting in a new 
>>filter and a somewhat deeper B&M pan. When I went to unbolt the old 
>>filter, I found it was held in place by a spring steel clip, rather 
>>than a bolt. When I withdrew the bolt that held the clip in place, 
>>it turned out to be longer than the "extended" one B&M had supplied 
>>so the filter would hang lower in their pan. The removed  bolt's 
>>hole appears to be farther over to the passenger side than where it 
>>should be. If a go out and buy an even longer bolt, the filter will 
>>be skewed over toward that side, rather than hanging roughly 
>>parallel to the drive line. There looks to be a bump right about 
>>where that bolt should thread in.
>>
>>I've put a picture of the two bolts, and the clip, on this page:
>>http://www.johnlivingston.com/th400_filter_bolts.htm
>>
>>Is there a good way to salvage this situation? Am I - as is so 
>>often the case - overlooking the obvious? Am I stuck using the old 
>>pan? It's a bit breezy out, so I'd like to get this buttoned back 
>>up before a bunch of dust gets blown into places it shouldn't be.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>John
>>68 442 convt.

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:24:28 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 2004 Nats- Bloomington, MN

Just got back from the 2004 national meet in Minnesota

It was about a 11-12 hour drive. Not too bad. Traffic was pretty congested 
in the Big City allright, but no worse than getting thru Chicago, or every 
day in LA. Lost the borrowed trailer's spare tire somwhere along the way. 
Anyone got a extra steel 6-bolt 15" wheel?

Rain on the way in destroyed some of the detailing on the car [1966 442 
L-69], but Hotel office area had what was required to fix that up. Took a 
side trip to the Mall of America. It's Big.

Just after arrival, went into the swap meet area, found a few trinkets that 
I could not live without. One guy's name sounded familiar..... Sacramento? 
Man, that stirs a feeble memory... Yep, on old friend from way back when I 
first bought my '68 W30 out there, now living in Iowa, soon to move back to 
California I guess... Denny Shafer. Dr. Oldmobile's new 1967 OAI replicate 
air cleaner assemblies in fiberglass were on display- NICE product. More in 
the works.

Saw several interesting entries. Troy Johnson's pickup truck with Toro 
drivetrain/ engine in the bed, boat type headers run straight back. 
Incredible modified Toronado, cannot even describe it. 550 CID [?! that is 
about a 4.6" stroke even if you bore to 4.250] Olds V8 in one entry. 502 CID 
"Super Rocket" ?! dual quad carbed Chevy engined modified station wagon. 
Incredible 17,xxx mile 1968 H/O. Nearly flawless 1967 W30 which I hear the 
NPJ's fond only -4 points for what might be a scratch on a headlight bezel. 
I looked it over topside for aout 15 minutes and found an incorrect washer 
on the fuel pump, fuel pump number not on a raised boss, and a cut wire 
leading to nowher near the horn relay. Now, the fuel pump ID number boss 
thing I am not 100% sure on... but the washer I am sure was wrong, and no 
Olds I have ever seen came from the factory with a CUT WIRE leading to 
nowhere... and not even taped over. Hearse Olds with "RIP OLDSMOBILE" on the 
door. 1971 or so Ambulance. One of them Ford issue top loader 3-speeds out 
of a Cutlass. The GM cars, of course- 442-Much Altered wheelbase, the Hurst 
Hairy Olds [sporting the part *I* donated to assist]. The 1890's 
curved-dash.

Weather was perfect on judging day, partly sunny and about 70-75 degrees. 
Good stiff competition, but every car in our class had several obvious 
deviations from correctness. Half of the tri-carb cars had the wrong 
bellcrank at the firewall, etc. Most of the cars had incorrect lugnuts- 
chromed steel with rust for example. Many of these fine show cars failed to 
paint the alternator lower bracket the same color as the engine, too.
   The Nitpicking Judges spent a half hour or so looking over the car, asked 
virtually no questions at all. What's up with that? They were pretty 
emotionless, little or no feedback at all. Then again, it was my first time 
doing this, did not know what to expect. I was short a fire extinguisher, 
had to borrow one from Denny. He also donated a tire stem cap to replace the 
one the spare tire was missing. He da man. I was short on "spirit items"- 
forgot to bring JWO or 2. I used an extra name tag, put "Ransom Eli Olds" 
[here... in "sprit"] on it. I believe ours was the only display car the 
showed the restoration photos not in scrapbook form, but on a DVD player.

After the presentation of the Hurst Hairy Olds to the H/O Club, the 
celebrities stayed to sign autographs. I got my arm signed by Linda Vaughn, 
and my HHO prints signed by all. Some clever fellers brought in their HHO 
models to have signed, and one guy brought in the glovebox lid off his '68 
H/O and got it signed.

Had to head home early Saturday. Got rained on all the way home. What an 
experience. Next year is even farther away, I guess, Seattle?
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Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:11:33 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?

At 06:09 PM 8/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>That in mind, I noticed in the B&M instructions, that the 
>65 to 67 Th400s used a different filter. Could it be I have 
>an early transmission that's been kludged to work with the 
>more recent filters?

Check the tag on the tranny; it'll have the year and application code.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 20:41:25 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?

Thanks, Steve. I finally dragged out the CSM and located where the 
plate should be. I saw that flat, rectangular area while I was under 
the car and peered at it as best my aged eyes could. Either it's been 
painted over or obliterated in some other way. I'd guess it's a 
remanufactured unit. The whole thing is painted blue, including that 
plate.

>At 06:09 PM 8/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>That in mind, I noticed in the B&M instructions, that the
>>65 to 67 Th400s used a different filter. Could it be I have
>>an early transmission that's been kludged to work with the
>>more recent filters?
>
>Check the tag on the tranny; it'll have the year and application code.
>
>SteveH

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 22:12:03 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach

Hey Randy!!!
This could lead to the answer to a question I've been struggling with for a
long time.  I replaced my 442's points ignition with a Mallory Unilite
conversion kit (MAL # 501) setup a few years ago.  I also put in a Pertronix
coil (#40011).  When the shop that put in the conversion kit and the coil
hooked up my stock tic-toc-tach (at the time recently refurbished and
calibrated by a guy in S. Carolina I think...), it blew the ignition module.
The shop told me the tach must have a short or something.  I've always
doubted that, given the refurb, but have been afraid to try it again as I
don't want to keep replacing modules and didn't want to screw up my tach.
So, I've been driving around loving the electronic ignition, but not using
the tach for which I paid dearly.  Could these things be related?
Thanks.
Scott
71 Olds 442
75 Delta 88 Royale

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Cutlass7276@netscape.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:20 PM
Subject: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach


> Hello
> Well i finally cleared up the tach,,i had guessed that the tach wire
should not be on neg. coil no more(it would pick up the multiple spark at
the lower rpms)i figured it should go on the white trigger wire from points
to the MSD box.
> I was correct,upon phoneing MSD tech they simply told me to splice tach
wire to the white trigger wire from points...problem solved tach is a smooth
as a babys bum!.
> Funny thing is if you read info from MSD supplied with the tach adapter or
the #5MSD box it clearly states you will need the adaptor($38.oo without
tax:O)if useing the points as a trigger.I will be returning the adaptor so i
may git my hard earned cash back.
> Also i had emailed them a while back..finally they sent me this...
> >
> >Dear Sir,
>
> For your application, you are going to need a tach/fuel adapter part
number 8920.  This adapter is used to clear up the signal to your stock ECU.
This should take care of your problem.  It would be cheaper if you get
pricing and availability through an MSD Dealer. Our prices are 30 to 40%
higher because we are contracted not to undersell our dealers. You can
obtain a list of dealers who can provide you with prices and availability
off of our website at <www.msdignition.com> under AUTOMOTIVE DEALERS.
>
> Thanks,
> MSD Tech
> >
> >
> Seems everyone trys to squeeze a extra buck or two outa ya when they can.
> Good luck!
> Randy H.
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________
>

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:49:28 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: TH400 filter hold-down variation?

John,

> Either it's been
> painted over or obliterated in some other way. I'd guess it's a
> remanufactured unit. The whole thing is painted blue, including that
> plate.


That nice blue color is the give-away that your TH400 is remanufactured.
It's probably a collection of parts. Tags and other numbers are usually none
away with. The 2-speed Jet-Away in our '64 Cutlass is also blue with a blue
converter.

I had noticed on B&M's website that it appeared the nice extended tube
pickup with an efficient Tork-Flyte filter was no longer used with the B&M
TH400 deep pan. That's a shame, for it would have solved the whole problem.

I don't recollect the way stock filters are retained in a stock TH400.
However, your guess that your TH400 could be an early style could be right.
The early filter screen, for that's all it really is, is a long rectangular
box that snuggles up into the entire side of the TH400 case. The later
filter is a rectangular flat screen that sets in the pan. I vaguely remember
a retaining clip, but that's all vague.

Did you get a short stub tube extension for the stock filter that has an
O-ring on a male end and a female opposite end for the stock filter to slip
into? That's what I would have expected for a filter extension for the
current B&M arrangement. For the retaining clip, I don't know.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 19:51:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach

Yes, that sure could cause it. You would need to check the Mallory
instruction sheet or call Mallory.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach


> Hey Randy!!!
> This could lead to the answer to a question I've been struggling with for
a
> long time.  I replaced my 442's points ignition with a Mallory Unilite
> conversion kit (MAL # 501) setup a few years ago.  I also put in a
Pertronix
> coil (#40011).  When the shop that put in the conversion kit and the coil
> hooked up my stock tic-toc-tach (at the time recently refurbished and
> calibrated by a guy in S. Carolina I think...), it blew the ignition
module.
> The shop told me the tach must have a short or something.  I've always
> doubted that, given the refurb, but have been afraid to try it again as I
> don't want to keep replacing modules and didn't want to screw up my tach.
> So, I've been driving around loving the electronic ignition, but not using
> the tach for which I paid dearly.  Could these things be related?
> Thanks.
> Scott
> 71 Olds 442
> 75 Delta 88 Royale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Cutlass7276@netscape.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 6:20 PM
> Subject: MSD Tech$ points conversion/tach
>
>
> > Hello
> > Well i finally cleared up the tach,,i had guessed that the tach wire
> should not be on neg. coil no more(it would pick up the multiple spark at
> the lower rpms)i figured it should go on the white trigger wire from
points
> to the MSD box.
> > I was correct,upon phoneing MSD tech they simply told me to splice tach
> wire to the white trigger wire from points...problem solved tach is a
smooth
> as a babys bum!.
> > Funny thing is if you read info from MSD supplied with the tach adapter
or
> the #5MSD box it clearly states you will need the adaptor($38.oo without
> tax:O)if useing the points as a trigger.I will be returning the adaptor so
i
> may git my hard earned cash back.
> > Also i had emailed them a while back..finally they sent me this...
> > >
> > >Dear Sir,
> >
> > For your application, you are going to need a tach/fuel adapter part
> number 8920.  This adapter is used to clear up the signal to your stock
ECU.
> This should take care of your problem.  It would be cheaper if you get
> pricing and availability through an MSD Dealer. Our prices are 30 to 40%
> higher because we are contracted not to undersell our dealers. You can
> obtain a list of dealers who can provide you with prices and availability
> off of our website at <www.msdignition.com> under AUTOMOTIVE DEALERS.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > MSD Tech
> > >
> > >
> > Seems everyone trys to squeeze a extra buck or two outa ya when they
can.
> > Good luck!
> > Randy H.
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________________
> >
>
>

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:41:07 -0400
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: RE: 403 Throwing Belts - an odd idea

Apparently the '63 olds 215 V8 is the same as a current day land rover
4.0L V8.  These come with serpentine systems on them.

Think any of those parts would fit a 403?

Just a stupid idea.

Christian

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:41:43 -0400
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: Dick Miller Racing Discount

Looks like I'll be ordering the Dick Miller serpentine system.  If
anyone knows how to get a discount there let me know!

Christian

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Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 00:49:19 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: MSD/pics, points conversion/tach

Hi Scott
You just cheered me up after i lost in first round today racing :)
Let me get this straight ya want ME? to answer a question about Electronics!..I always let out the magic smoke from wires!!:)
I will try....


"vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net> wrote:

>Hey Randy!!!
>This could lead to the answer to a question I've been struggling with for a
>long time.  I replaced my 442's points ignition with a Mallory Unilite
>conversion kit (MAL # 501) setup a few years ago.  I also put in a Pertronix
>coil (#40011).

>>>>

Well if i am correct the mallory thingy and the petro coil thingy is still just a single spark higher power then your reg points and able to handle a higher RPM.
But not a multiple spark sys.(At lower rpm) like the MSD.
Honsetly i really see a HUGE diff. with the MSD for start up and idle,,the car purrs!
My point is any tach should still pick up the signal from the neg. side of the coil like normal.


>>>>>>
  When the shop that put in the conversion kit and the coil
>hooked up my stock tic-toc-tach (at the time recently refurbished and
>calibrated by a guy in S. Carolina I think...), it blew the ignition module.

>>>>>>So i take it you went out and bought another Mallory Module$?

>The shop told me the tach must have a short or something.  I've always
>doubted that, given the refurb, but have been afraid to try it again as I
>don't want to keep replacing modules and didn't want to screw up my tach.
>>>>
Borrow a buddys tach or buy the cheapo one(19.99) at nightmare store and throw some power on it and hook up the signal lead to neg coil and see if the tach werks.
>>>>>
>So, I've been driving around loving the electronic ignition, but not using
>the tach for which I paid dearly.  Could these things be related?
>Thanks.
>Scott
>71 Olds 442
>75 Delta 88 Royale
>
>>>>>>
Scott if the cheapo tach werks hook up the tic toc tach it should work also...maybe the first module was crap...not first time someting new is crap.If it blows a module again maybe it would be time to see if the refurb guy could fix the ticky tocky tach?IIRC the tic tock tach is worth about 6-7 modules OR MORE!
I hope i was a help and not too harsh,,it was a long day today,I gonna go COIL UP and go to sleep :).
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.
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