
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, November 20 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5096



RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: what is a Quad driver?
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Olds.parts
65 Jetaway
UNBOUNCE: '78 Delta Royale
UNBOUNCE: Need '71 VC Brake Drums
RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
RE: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
OT- need Skil cordless battery CHARGING INFO
Re: Olds.parts
Toro 455 with 6" stroke ?
UPDATE ME? 5th notice JWO correction for the 2004 Nats- 1966 442 L-69 1st? BOC?
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: Olds.parts
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
Re: Olds.parts
Re: what is a Quad driver?

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:15:01 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

"Nodular" and "Iron" both refer the the material: Nodular Cast Iron.  AKA
Ductile Iron.  Produced by the "casting" process.  Not made by the "Forging"
process.
"Forged" means the way the material is produced and in this case implies
that the material is steel, not iron.  The "Forged" material *and* process
produce a "stronger" part.  Ductility is a ket factor in addition to tensile
strength and hardness.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:32 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:03:12 -0700
> > From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> > Subject: Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?
> >
> > 2) Only has a nodular iron crank. Mid-'70s engines had a cast
> iron crank.
>
> Milton,
>
> I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear up
> some of the
> confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology.
>
> There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
> http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726
>
> Here are the highlights:
>
> post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank
> verses the plain cast cranks"
>
> post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR IRON."
>
> post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will
> handle the torsional loads on a
> crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2
> pieces in a very short time.
> The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the
> forged ones out of the 330's."
>
> So I am now totally confused. Help.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> phoenix, AZ
>
>

 

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:58:24 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: what is a Quad driver?

what is the specific code, a qdm driver  is basicly a relay
ron
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From: <njot33@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: what is a Quad driver?


>
> Hey list-
>
> Does anyone on the list know what a Quad driver is?
> My friend has a 93 Saturn that is displaying a Check Engine code 26.  In the Haynes manual it says 
> that the code means the Quad driver failed, but doesn't explain what this part is.  I have no idea 
> what the heck that is.
>
> Olds content: My 90 Olds has never had any trouble codes, so I have no basis for comparison here.
>
> Thanks,
> njot
>
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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:13:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

I went to the site and read the posts. To be honest, I don't know. Before
joining the Olds List 3 1/2 tears ago, I had thought there were only 2 Olds
crank materials, forged steel and nodular cast iron. It's only from this
list that I was told about late '70s Olds and up cranks that are cast iron.
I didn't know Olds used a cast iron crank. I disagree with what was said,
because I distinctly remember the metallurgy between a nodular cast iron
Olds crank and a cast iron Chevy crank is different, but I don't remember
how. It's too long ago, and I don't have a technical reference to it.

However, if one does a search on Yahoo for "nodular iron," we get
http://members.lycos.nl/cvdv/whatsinaname.htm , plus a bunch of other hits
which seems to indicate a distinct difference between nodular iron and other
types of cast irons.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


> I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear up some of
the
> confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology.
>
> There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
> http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726
>
> Here are the highlights:
>
> post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank verses the
plain cast cranks"
>
> post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR IRON."
>
> post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will handle the
torsional loads on a
> crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2 pieces
in a very short time.
> The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the forged ones
out of the 330's."
>
> So I am now totally confused. Help.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 21:28:58 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

"Nodular" refers to the graphite formation in Iron.  Nodular or
"Spheroidial" graphite is round vs the flake graphite found in regular Cast
Iron.  This gives Iron ductility, which it doesn't usually have.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:13 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> I went to the site and read the posts. To be honest, I don't know. Before
> joining the Olds List 3 1/2 tears ago, I had thought there were
> only 2 Olds
> crank materials, forged steel and nodular cast iron. It's only from this
> list that I was told about late '70s Olds and up cranks that are
> cast iron.
> I didn't know Olds used a cast iron crank. I disagree with what was said,
> because I distinctly remember the metallurgy between a nodular cast iron
> Olds crank and a cast iron Chevy crank is different, but I don't remember
> how. It's too long ago, and I don't have a technical reference to it.
>
> However, if one does a search on Yahoo for "nodular iron," we get
> http://members.lycos.nl/cvdv/whatsinaname.htm , plus a bunch of other hits
> which seems to indicate a distinct difference between nodular
> iron and other
> types of cast irons.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> > I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear
> up some of
> the
> > confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology.
> >
> > There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
> > http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726
> >
> > Here are the highlights:
> >
> > post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank verses the
> plain cast cranks"
> >
> > post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR IRON."
> >
> > post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will handle the
> torsional loads on a
> > crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2 pieces
> in a very short time.
> > The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the forged ones
> out of the 330's."
> >
> > So I am now totally confused. Help.
> >
> > Kenneth
> > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> > phoenix, AZ
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:31:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Then is ductile cast iron and nodular cast iron exactly the same thing, or
are there differences? The one website indicated there are different types
of cast iron.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
cast


> "Nodular" refers to the graphite formation in Iron.  Nodular or
> "Spheroidial" graphite is round vs the flake graphite found in regular
Cast
> Iron.  This gives Iron ductility, which it doesn't usually have.
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> http://wmachines.shubes.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> > Systems, Inc.
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:13 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> > cast
> >
> >
> > I went to the site and read the posts. To be honest, I don't know.
Before
> > joining the Olds List 3 1/2 tears ago, I had thought there were
> > only 2 Olds
> > crank materials, forged steel and nodular cast iron. It's only from this
> > list that I was told about late '70s Olds and up cranks that are
> > cast iron.
> > I didn't know Olds used a cast iron crank. I disagree with what was
said,
> > because I distinctly remember the metallurgy between a nodular cast iron
> > Olds crank and a cast iron Chevy crank is different, but I don't
remember
> > how. It's too long ago, and I don't have a technical reference to it.
> >
> > However, if one does a search on Yahoo for "nodular iron," we get
> > http://members.lycos.nl/cvdv/whatsinaname.htm , plus a bunch of other
hits
> > which seems to indicate a distinct difference between nodular
> > iron and other
> > types of cast irons.
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > > I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear
> > up some of
> > the
> > > confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology.
> > >
> > > There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
> > > http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726
> > >
> > > Here are the highlights:
> > >
> > > post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank verses the
> > plain cast cranks"
> > >
> > > post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR
IRON."
> > >
> > > post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will handle
the
> > torsional loads on a
> > > crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2
pieces
> > in a very short time.
> > > The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the forged
ones
> > out of the 330's."
> > >
> > > So I am now totally confused. Help.
> > >
> > > Kenneth
> > > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> > > phoenix, AZ
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:42:50 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Olds.parts

Hi fella's:

              I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this site.
They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It is a
real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.

Rick Messenger

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:51:49 -0800 (PST)
From: JEFFREY LISLE <jeffslisle@yahoo.com>
Subject: 65 Jetaway

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Anybody know what a 1965 2-speed Jetaway tranny is worth, works fine and no leaks.
Thanks, Jeff / '65 Cutlass

		
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:26:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '78 Delta Royale

Not on the list, respond to SST1225@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   SST1225@aol.com
Subject: 78 delta 88 Royale

    I have a 1978 Delta 88 Royale. I am looking to run NHRA stock
eliminator with the car. However, the more desireable engine combination
is for the 1979 model year. According to NHRA rules, I can claim the car
as a 79' if it closely resembles a 1979 model (ie. 79' grill, trim etc.).
I am looking for information on the exterior differences between a 78' and
79' Delta 88. As far as I know the tailights are the same, as are the
bumpers. I know the grilles are slightly different.

	It has a 350 Olds motor. I am looking for a set of headers. I was
told that the 403 headers for the late 70's Trans Ams will fit, with minor
mods. Does anyone know of a header that is a direct fit?

    Also, If anyone has info on the differences between the 1977 and 1978
model year, I would be interested in that as well. If anyone has
information to share on any of these subjects, I would be greatly
appreciated. 

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 07:27:46 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Need '71 VC Brake Drums

Not on the list, respond to jeffjcd@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Doug Cline <Drcline@comcast.net>

I have a 71 vista cruiser and cant find brake drums I took them to napa
and we found they are wider than anything they could get any help would be
great thanks for your time

jeff
jeffjcd@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:18:40 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Nodular and Ductile Iron is the same.  As opposed to "regular" Gray Iron.
Of course there are many grades of both.  Gray Iron is usually in grades
according to tensile strength.  Like basic "Class 30" iron at 30,000 psi
tensile.  For Gray Iron, there is no measure of ductility, as there is
virtually none.
Ductile (or Nodular) Iron is spec'd initially with 3 numbers, like 80-60-03
with 80,000 psi, 55,000 yield strength, and 3% elongation.
But two other major differences between the cast and forged cranks is due to
the difference in the production method.  The casting process give you grain
boundaries that are not directional.  Forgings, due to hammering a billet
into shape, form directional grain boundaries (in the right direction) that
give the forging more strength. And despite the best QC controls, the
forgings are less prone to having inclusions, and *much* less prone to
porosity (gas and shrink), all of which weaken the part.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:31 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> Then is ductile cast iron and nodular cast iron exactly the same thing, or
> are there differences? The one website indicated there are different types
> of cast iron.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:28 PM
> Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> > "Nodular" refers to the graphite formation in Iron.  Nodular or
> > "Spheroidial" graphite is round vs the flake graphite found in regular
> Cast
> > Iron.  This gives Iron ductility, which it doesn't usually have.
> >
> > Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> > http://wmachines.shubes.net
> > '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> > '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> > '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> > > Systems, Inc.
> > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:13 PM
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now
> nodular vs.
> > > cast
> > >
> > >
> > > I went to the site and read the posts. To be honest, I don't know.
> Before
> > > joining the Olds List 3 1/2 tears ago, I had thought there were
> > > only 2 Olds
> > > crank materials, forged steel and nodular cast iron. It's
> only from this
> > > list that I was told about late '70s Olds and up cranks that are
> > > cast iron.
> > > I didn't know Olds used a cast iron crank. I disagree with what was
> said,
> > > because I distinctly remember the metallurgy between a
> nodular cast iron
> > > Olds crank and a cast iron Chevy crank is different, but I don't
> remember
> > > how. It's too long ago, and I don't have a technical reference to it.
> > >
> > > However, if one does a search on Yahoo for "nodular iron," we get
> > > http://members.lycos.nl/cvdv/whatsinaname.htm , plus a bunch of other
> hits
> > > which seems to indicate a distinct difference between nodular
> > > iron and other
> > > types of cast irons.
> > >
> > > Milton Schick
> > > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > > imp@theriver.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear
> > > up some of
> > > the
> > > > confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology.
> > > >
> > > > There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
> > > > http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726
> > > >
> > > > Here are the highlights:
> > > >
> > > > post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank
> verses the
> > > plain cast cranks"
> > > >
> > > > post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR
> IRON."
> > > >
> > > > post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will handle
> the
> > > torsional loads on a
> > > > crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2
> pieces
> > > in a very short time.
> > > > The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the forged
> ones
> > > out of the 330's."
> > > >
> > > > So I am now totally confused. Help.
> > > >
> > > > Kenneth
> > > > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> > > > phoenix, AZ
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:20:25 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

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I am getting ready to junk a '70 Cutlass post car with good glass,
doors, and trunk lid.  Actually, I have two sets of post doors and two
rust free trunk lids from a '70 that I no longer need, as I am 
restoring
a 70 supreme conv.  I'm located in the Seattle area.  Let me know if
anyone is interested.

Gregg Atkins
++++++++++++++++++++++++
OH MY!!!!!  from the good stuff you named, thats like $1000 worth of parts you will be junking.  Shipping trunklids would be fairly easy.  well easier than post doors.  UPS can take the trunk lids.  I'm sure Forward Air and Greyhound too.  It's not like they are making these parts anymore.  And before anyone chimes in, sorry, I have no clue as to the quality of the repro 70-72 holiday coupe trunk lids.  but I'd take an original over a repro any time.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 Cutlass S W-31     hopefully will be running tomorrow
1970 F-85     in need of post coupe doors.
1969 442 parts car
1970 F-85 parts car sitting in OH
plus a schload of parts for sale

		
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<DIV>I am getting ready to junk a '70 Cutlass post car with good glass,<BR>doors, and trunk lid.&nbsp; Actually, I have two sets of post doors and two<BR>rust free trunk lids from a '70 that I no longer need, as I am <BR>restoring<BR>a 70 supreme conv.&nbsp; I'm located in the Seattle area.&nbsp; Let me know if<BR>anyone is interested.<BR><BR>Gregg Atkins<BR>++++++++++++++++++++++++</DIV>
<DIV>OH MY!!!!!&nbsp; from the good stuff you named, thats&nbsp;like $1000 worth of parts you will be junking.&nbsp; Shipping trunklids would be fairly easy.&nbsp; well easier than post doors.&nbsp; UPS can take the trunk lids.&nbsp; I'm sure Forward Air and Greyhound too.&nbsp; It's not like they are making these parts anymore.&nbsp; And before anyone chimes in, sorry, I have no clue as to the quality of the repro 70-72 holiday coupe trunk lids.&nbsp; but I'd take an original over a repro any time.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1969 Cutlass S W-31&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; hopefully will be running tomorrow</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; in need of post coupe doors.</DIV>
<DIV>1969 442 parts car</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 parts car sitting in OH</DIV>
<DIV>plus a schload of parts for sale</DIV><p>
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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:43:24 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OT- need Skil cordless battery CHARGING INFO

Have 18V cordless recip saw, not real sure what the flashing or not means on 
the charger. Anyone have such a thing they can send me a pic or paper copy 
of the manual that tells how to work the charger?

This is the 18V battery that slides fore-aft into place, no stalk sticks up, 
and has "charge gage" LED's built in at the back.

Sure will  be nice to have the cordless recip saw have some POWER
PS got 2 brand new batteries and the charger offa eVil for a mere $60 
delivered.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:42:10 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

that link no work.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: "Oldsmobile List Group" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:42 PM
Subject: Olds.parts


> Hi fella's:
> 
>              I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this site.
> They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
> interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It is a
> real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
> 
> Rick Messenger
> 
> 
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:47:56 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Toro 455 with 6" stroke ?

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 68 Toro tries to kill me

At Thursday, 18 November 2004, you wrote:
>So what's the deal with that piston being 6" down in the hole???

Yeah, we want video!!!  ;o)

SteveH
===============
I have still photos only.
Piston was forced down, bending the rod into a pretzel. Broke the rod right 
off, broke out the side of the block, and also broke the #2 main cap right 
in half. Worst I have ever seen. Bent rods I see all the time. Amazingly, 
the crank is not damaged.

That, my friends, is why you do not store the car outdoors with no hood. 
Water gets in, becomes ice, which moves the piston down a bit, then freezes, 
then melts, etc. The power of freezing water is amazingly strong.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:58:47 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: UPDATE ME? 5th notice JWO correction for the 2004 Nats- 1966 442 L-69 1st? BOC?

11/20
Daily nag, no reply as yet
Looks like I might need the official OCA address...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
11/18
Daily nag, no reply as yet
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
11/16
Daily Nag, no reply yet.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
11/15
>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>To: JourneyWithOlds@mindspring.com
>Subject: UPDATE ME? JWO publish correction for the 2004 Nats- 1966 442 L-69 
>1st? BOC? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:52:47 -0500
>
>Have not heard back yet, I would appreciate an update.
>I am expecting the fact that my entry won an award at the 2004 Nats to be 
>published next JWO. Really should have been in the Novermber issue.
>
>Is there a problem?
>My phone works just fine, use the cell number please.
>-----------------------
>Chris Witt
>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>Lansing MI 48911
>
>RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
>Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
>Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:17:22 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

I was told a cast olds crank was a better choice over nodular. forged is most desired but if its 
cracked and not picked up upon inspection mayhem will occur when it lets go.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast


> Nodular and Ductile Iron is the same.  As opposed to "regular" Gray Iron.
> Of course there are many grades of both.  Gray Iron is usually in grades
> according to tensile strength.  Like basic "Class 30" iron at 30,000 psi
> tensile.  For Gray Iron, there is no measure of ductility, as there is
> virtually none.
> Ductile (or Nodular) Iron is spec'd initially with 3 numbers, like 80-60-03
> with 80,000 psi, 55,000 yield strength, and 3% elongation.
> But two other major differences between the cast and forged cranks is due to
> the difference in the production method.  The casting process give you grain
> boundaries that are not directional.  Forgings, due to hammering a billet
> into shape, form directional grain boundaries (in the right direction) that
> give the forging more strength. And despite the best QC controls, the
> forgings are less prone to having inclusions, and *much* less prone to
> porosity (gas and shrink), all of which weaken the part.
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> http://wmachines.shubes.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
>> Systems, Inc.
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 10:31 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
>> cast
>>
>>
>> Then is ductile cast iron and nodular cast iron exactly the same thing, or
>> are there differences? The one website indicated there are different types
>> of cast iron.
>>
>> Milton Schick
>> 1964 442 Cutlass
>> imp@theriver.com
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 7:28 PM
>> Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
>> cast
>>
>>
>> > "Nodular" refers to the graphite formation in Iron.  Nodular or
>> > "Spheroidial" graphite is round vs the flake graphite found in regular
>> Cast
>> > Iron.  This gives Iron ductility, which it doesn't usually have.
>> >
>> > Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
>> > http://wmachines.shubes.net
>> > '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
>> > '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
>> > '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>> > > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
>> > > Systems, Inc.
>> > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:13 PM
>> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> > > Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now
>> nodular vs.
>> > > cast
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I went to the site and read the posts. To be honest, I don't know.
>> Before
>> > > joining the Olds List 3 1/2 tears ago, I had thought there were
>> > > only 2 Olds
>> > > crank materials, forged steel and nodular cast iron. It's
>> only from this
>> > > list that I was told about late '70s Olds and up cranks that are
>> > > cast iron.
>> > > I didn't know Olds used a cast iron crank. I disagree with what was
>> said,
>> > > because I distinctly remember the metallurgy between a
>> nodular cast iron
>> > > Olds crank and a cast iron Chevy crank is different, but I don't
>> remember
>> > > how. It's too long ago, and I don't have a technical reference to it.
>> > >
>> > > However, if one does a search on Yahoo for "nodular iron," we get
>> > > http://members.lycos.nl/cvdv/whatsinaname.htm , plus a bunch of other
>> hits
>> > > which seems to indicate a distinct difference between nodular
>> > > iron and other
>> > > types of cast irons.
>> > >
>> > > Milton Schick
>> > > 1964 442 Cutlass
>> > > imp@theriver.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear
>> > > up some of
>> > > the
>> > > > confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology.
>> > > >
>> > > > There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
>> > > > http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726
>> > > >
>> > > > Here are the highlights:
>> > > >
>> > > > post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank
>> verses the
>> > > plain cast cranks"
>> > > >
>> > > > post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR
>> IRON."
>> > > >
>> > > > post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will handle
>> the
>> > > torsional loads on a
>> > > > crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2
>> pieces
>> > > in a very short time.
>> > > > The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the forged
>> ones
>> > > out of the 330's."
>> > > >
>> > > > So I am now totally confused. Help.
>> > > >
>> > > > Kenneth
>> > > > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
>> > > > phoenix, AZ
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 14:17:50 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
>Hi fella's:
>
>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this site.
>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It is a
>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.

That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and nice guy.


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:05:08 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Kurt,

I knew the differences between casting and forging. What I wanted to know
was the different grades of ductile/nodular cast iron and if there was a way
to tell the difference when looking a two different parts? An example would
be the difference, if any, between a Chevy cast iron crank and an Olds
"nodular" cast iron crank. Is there a difference like I had been led to
believe a long time ago, or is there no difference? I guess what we would
need to know is the cast iron specification number on both cranks in
question to determine which crank is stronger, or are they the same.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


> Nodular and Ductile Iron is the same.  As opposed to "regular" Gray Iron.
> Of course there are many grades of both.  Gray Iron is usually in grades
> according to tensile strength.  Like basic "Class 30" iron at 30,000 psi
> tensile.  For Gray Iron, there is no measure of ductility, as there is
> virtually none.
> Ductile (or Nodular) Iron is spec'd initially with 3 numbers, like
80-60-03
> with 80,000 psi, 55,000 yield strength, and 3% elongation.
> But two other major differences between the cast and forged cranks is due
to
> the difference in the production method.  The casting process give you
grain
> boundaries that are not directional.  Forgings, due to hammering a billet
> into shape, form directional grain boundaries (in the right direction)
that
> give the forging more strength. And despite the best QC controls, the
> forgings are less prone to having inclusions, and *much* less prone to
> porosity (gas and shrink), all of which weaken the part.

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:10:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

Chris,

Ian (Ian Dixon idixon@sbrc.ca ) needs a '70 trunk lid.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "chris smetana" <grp442@yahoo.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: RE: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT


> I am getting ready to junk a '70 Cutlass post car with good glass,
> doors, and trunk lid.  Actually, I have two sets of post doors and two
> rust free trunk lids from a '70 that I no longer need, as I am
> restoring
> a 70 supreme conv.  I'm located in the Seattle area.  Let me know if
> anyone is interested.
>
> Gregg Atkins
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++
> OH MY!!!!!  from the good stuff you named, thats like $1000 worth of parts
you will be junking.  Shipping trunklids would be fairly easy.  well easier
than post doors.  UPS can take the trunk lids.  I'm sure Forward Air and
Greyhound too.  It's not like they are making these parts anymore.  And
before anyone chimes in, sorry, I have no clue as to the quality of the
repro 70-72 holiday coupe trunk lids.  but I'd take an original over a repro
any time.
>
> Chris
> grp442@yahoo.com
>
> 1969 Cutlass S W-31     hopefully will be running tomorrow
> 1970 F-85     in need of post coupe doors.
> 1969 442 parts car
> 1970 F-85 parts car sitting in OH
> plus a schload of parts for sale
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
>  Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today!

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:07:25 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
>>Hi fella's:
>>
>>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this site.
>>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
>>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It is a
>>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
> 
> That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and nice guy.
> 
> 
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
> 
> 
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 17:36:52 -0500
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: what is a Quad driver?

It's U3 (and U6) in this schematic:
http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/1227165sheet3.gif

Basically, it's 4 (ie. quad) computer controlled switches (ie. drivers)
packaged in a single chip. There's built-in fault detection and a FAULT
signal that gets set and reported to the ECM when one of those switches
fails.

So, there's something that the ECM wants to turn on or turn off that can't
respond. Since the Check Engine Light is on, we know it's not that. :-)

Without a schematic specific to the 93 Saturn ECM and knowing exactly which
of the drivers failed, we don't know what's not working. It could be
something relatively benign (the charcoal cannister purge, say) or
something Really Bad (like the electric fan).

The GM part number (16042368) is here:
http://www.diy-efi.org/gmecm/ic_info.html

I don't think that will help unless you want to do component-level
soldering on your friend's ECM. Plus, it looks like GM custom silicon, so
you'd need to find a donor ECM with a good one.

Bottom line: Your friend needs a new ECM.

Hope this helps,
Rich

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