
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, October 24 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5069



Re: Picture Links & Info: Weird Holley Carbs
Re: Muncie supplier [LATE REPLY}
1970 C/S Ragtop Wiper to Firewall Question
X-Sender: ssreed@pop3.direcway.com
Johnny Lightning
Re: 1970 C/S Ragtop Wiper to Firewall Question
Re: FYI: [VistaCruiser] Re: 65 Vista 330, SP T-400, stock 10 bolt
Re: Posi Lock Connectors, WAS: MSD headaches not MSD's fault - Milton right again
Re: Steering Box Rebuild
Convertible Pump House Routing, 1970
Re: Muncie supplier [LATE REPLY}

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Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:30:09 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Picture Links & Info: Weird Holley Carbs

Ken,

Great find for that price!

Are those items on the side of the carb governors of some kind?

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:40:12 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier [LATE REPLY}

At 10:52 AM 10/19/2004, you wrote:
 >Here's the reply I got from them re a unit with the speedo output on
 >the right side.
 >
 >Seems that that is all they have.
 >
 >Any comments?
 >
 >Our units are only set up with the speedo output on the passenger
 >side, opposite of the linkage. These are all new transmissions.  We
 >can build you a correct transmission for the 1968 year, for $1795.00.
 >This would have a 26 spline input, but 27 spline output to be correct
 >for a 1968 shifter and driveshaft. Shipping is $95.00
 >
 >Paul Cangialosi
 >www.5speeds.com Creators of the JT5 5 speed!
 >
 >>These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's available
 >>with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool. They also have parts
 >>and a rebuild-it-yourself video.
 >>
 >>http://www.5speeds.com/newm22.html
 >>
 >>
 >>I'll email them and ask if they have cases with the speedo drive on
 >>the right side.
 >>
 >>John "Banging Gears for 40 Years" Livingston
 >>alas, mostly in VWs!
 >
 >
 >--
 >John Livingston
 >Library Media Specialist
 >Phillips Elementary
 >703 Lemaster Drive
 >Hampton, VA 23669
 >757 850 5155

John,
         First off I'm getting to the email reply late.....But I am getting 
my '70 C/S's M-22 rebuilt by the guy who did the posi carrier and 3.73 ring 
gear in my daily driver.  I'll let you know what the costs were all done & 
said with.  But he quoted me $200-$250 in labor and that was to replace 
'The Works'.  The only difference in cost was the amount of parts mine 
requires.
         1 rebuild kit (Synchros only) W/Seals, Vs. another with more parts.

I'll let you know real soon, as I just dropped with the guy Friday and 
he'll be tearing it apart this weekend, so I should have it back in 2 weeks 
or so.

I'll let you know what the final costs are, but with the message you 
listed, I would DEFINITELY find one used and have someone go-thru.

My M-22 is also a Driver's side/left speedometer cable W/2 Drain Plugs.


Steve Reed
'68 Cutlass
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
Austin, TX 

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:50:25 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: 1970 C/S Ragtop Wiper to Firewall Question

All,
	When working on the re assembly process of the Olds yesterday, I came upon 
something where I wasn't sure.

1.  The Wiper motor which is held to the firewall with 3 screws which each 
pass thru rubber grommets on the wiper motor.  The grommets have steel 
faces on one side, and can be removed from the motor.  There are 3 SEMS 
Washered fasteners hold the pump down (Thanks CBW).

QUESTION>>  There is a large DIA copper ground TAB/STRAP going from the 
motor down to one of the anchor points.  Should I be putting an internal or 
external toothed washer on this one bolt to make use of the wiper's ground 
strap?  The DIA in the STRAP/TAB @ the bottom where it rests over the 
rubber washer/insulator has an ID, close to .4375".  I'd guess that the 
wiper hold down bolts are 1/4-20's with only a conical SEMS washer hex-head 
fastener.

I don't recall how this went together.  I'm hoping someone may know, or 
I'can take a picture of the wiper motor for reference, and post it on my 
web page if necessary.  I'm hoping someone may be able to look under their 
hood and check for me please!!

Thanks,

Steve Reed
'68 Cutlass
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
Austin, TX 

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 08:51:01 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: X-Sender: ssreed@pop3.direcway.com

At 10:52 AM 10/19/2004, you wrote:
 >Here's the reply I got from them re a unit with the speedo output on
 >the right side.
 >
 >Seems that that is all they have.
 >
 >Any comments?
 >
 >Our units are only set up with the speedo output on the passenger
 >side, opposite of the linkage. These are all new transmissions.  We
 >can build you a correct transmission for the 1968 year, for $1795.00.
 >This would have a 26 spline input, but 27 spline output to be correct
 >for a 1968 shifter and driveshaft. Shipping is $95.00
 >
 >Paul Cangialosi
 >www.5speeds.com Creators of the JT5 5 speed!
 >
 >>These guys sell Muncies and have a new, M22 unit that's available
 >>with the wide ratio gears. Not cheap, but cool. They also have parts
 >>and a rebuild-it-yourself video.
 >>
 >>http://www.5speeds.com/newm22.html
 >>
 >>
 >>I'll email them and ask if they have cases with the speedo drive on
 >>the right side.
 >>
 >>John "Banging Gears for 40 Years" Livingston
 >>alas, mostly in VWs!
 >
 >
 >--
 >John Livingston
 >Library Media Specialist
 >Phillips Elementary
 >703 Lemaster Drive
 >Hampton, VA 23669
 >757 850 5155

John,
	First off I'm getting to the email reply late.....But I am getting my '70 
C/S's M-22 rebuilt by the guy who did the posi carrier and 3.73 ring gear 
in my daily driver.  I'll let you know what the costs were all done & said 
with.  But he quoted me $200-$250 in labor and that was to replace 'The 
Works'.  The only difference in cost was the amount of parts mine requires.
	1 rebuild kit (Synchros only) W/Seals, Vs. another with more parts.

I'll let you know real soon, as I just dropped with the guy Friday and 
he'll be tearing it apart this weekend, so I should have it back in 2 weeks 
or so.

I'll let you know what the final costs are, but with the message you 
listed, I would DEFINITELY find one used and have someone go-thru.

My M-22 is also a Driver's side/left speedometer cable W/2 Drain Plugs.

Steve Reed
'68 Cutlass
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
Austin, TX 

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 11:38:58 -0400
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: Johnny Lightning

Found a new car last night.  The Johnny Lightning Holiday Classisc 2004
series has 12 cars, one of which is a '66 Toronado.  This is not the old
custom Toronado, but a very correct casting.  Here's a link to a pic:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6933461986

Kurt Heinrich
OCA# 30442
71 Cutlass Supreme SX Convertible

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:40:51 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 C/S Ragtop Wiper to Firewall Question

At 08:50 AM 10/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>QUESTION>>  There is a large DIA copper ground TAB/STRAP going from the 
>motor down to one of the anchor points.  Should I be putting an internal or 
>external toothed washer on this one bolt to make use of the wiper's ground 
>strap?

99.5% certain it was an external tooth, although it may have been both
internal and external tooth. Only-internal tooth are normally only used
under smaller screws such as #12 on down (12-24, 10-24 and 10-32, 8-32, etc.).

Toothed lockwashers are only used for good electrical connections, never to
secure the fastener mechanically. The teeth will collapse when tightened to
a bolt's spec.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 09:46:46 -0700
From: Paul Kelleher <pjkell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FYI: [VistaCruiser] Re: 65 Vista 330, SP T-400, stock 10 bolt

Mark E:
I am up the road in Los Altos and would hate to see those pieces end up 
as scrap.   I would be interested in the Th400 and the switch pitch 
converter.  Drop me a phone number and I will be happy to pick it up 
sometime next week at a time which is convenient for you.
Regards, Paul

Steve Harrison wrote:

>Some really good schtuff available from a guy on the Vista Cruiser
>reflector for a song and some beer  :o))))) Be sure to reply to HIM, not to
>me; I know nothing about any of it: outahand2112@yahoo.com
>
>SteveH
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  
>
>>From: "Mark E." <outahand2112@yahoo.com>
>>    
>>
>.......
>  
>
>>Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 16:14:46 -0000
>>Subject: [VistaCruiser] Re: 65 Vista 330, SP T-400, stock 10 bolt
>>    
>>
>.........
>  
>
>>Hey Steve, Go ahead and cross post this if you think someone might 
>>want it. It is just taking up room I need. Thanks, Mark 
>>outahand2112@yahoo.com
>>
>>
>>--- In VistaCruiser@yahoogroups.com, SteveH <k0xp@d...> wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>At Monday, 04 October 2004, you wrote:
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>This stuff is still available in San Jose, Ca.  Mark 
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Mark, you've got some good stuff there. If nobody here on VC wants 
>>>it, please let me know and I will then crosspost your list to the 
>>>classic Olds reflector. There's no reason any of this stuff should 
>>>be trashed, especially not that switch-pitch 400.
>>>
>>>SteveH
>>>
>>>In VistaCruiser@yahoogroups.com, "Mark E." <outahand2112@y...> 
>>>wrote:
>>>I put a 78 or so 350 in my Vista last weekend. I have no need 
>>>for the stock 65 330. It smokes a puff sometimes at startup, but 
>>>not when driven. Oil pressure is low. After a while on the highway 
>>>you can hear a slight ticking. It *could* be the cracked exhaust 
>>>manifold, but sounds like lifters. If you hit it from a stop, midway 
>>>through second the bearings rattle. I believe the motor has sludge 
>>>hindering oil drainback from the heads and worn main and/or rod 
>>>bearings. 
>>>I have driven it over 5k miles like this, It is not ready to die 
>>>real soon, it was just not reliable enough for my needs. I was going 
>>>to open it, clean it out and put rod and main bearings in it before 
>>>I found this 350. 
>>>
>>>I also have a switch pitch turbo 400 trans I do not need. It looks 
>>>like it was swapped into my Vista some time ago. They only were 
>>>made for a few years around 66-68. It can easily be converted to a 
>>>regular convertor at a rebuild (which it needs). It did operate before 
>>>removal, but it leaked and was hard to get into gear the first time 
>>>when cold. A performance rebuilt should be about $500.
>>>
>>>I also have the stock 10 bolt rearend. The bearings are ok, and it 
>>>seemed to work ok for the last year. I just did not want to keep 
>>>the stock style bearings and put in a newer 10 bolt. 
>>>
>>>I also have a 72 455 core. Standard bore and crank. Needs to be bored 
>>>and the crank needs to be turned. All tin and accesories. Dissassembled. 
>>>$300 obo.
>>>
>>>All this stuff will head to recycling (except 455) if no one speaks up. 
>>>No shipping, needs to be picked up in San Jose, Ca. I have a picker 
>>>handy for loading purposes for the motor. As for prices, I drink regular 
>>>Budweiser.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 13:39:06 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Posi Lock Connectors, WAS: MSD headaches not MSD's fault - Milton right again

> > BTW I've been using some of those Summit Posi-Lock wiring connectors
> > while doing all this. They seem to work very well ...
>
> Those look like a neat deal. It looks like they can be permanent. I'd
leave
> them on....

- ----------------

I love the Posi Lock connectors.   I have no hesitation about using them
permanently.  They have a more insulated version for newer ECM systems that
are more voltage sensitive.  You can insulate the standard ones with some
RTV at the vulnerable spots, too.  They are especially useful in spaces
where a crimper and solderer just won't fit well.

I have gotten the best prices on these from NAL.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:02:08 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Box Rebuild

At 06:13 AM 10/21/2004, you wrote:
 >"I ended up with the quick ratio re-built box for $125 including
 >shipping!
 >Chip gets $229 plus shipping.  Glad someone's got money to burn, it's
 >certainly not me."
 >
 >Sorry - did not see the recommended place on the list.
 >
 >I guess that makes me a target for comments like the one
 >above......sheeeesh............
 >
 >Paul Tumolo


Paul,
	I've been away from the PC and basically my cars this summer.  What was 
the vendor for the P/S rebuild?  I didn't see it searching thru my Real 
time olds posts.

Thanks,

- -Steve

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 14:09:53 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Convertible Pump House Routing, 1970

All,
         I am about to attach the motor & pump to the body today, and was 
wanting to know if it matters which hoses should go from the bottom of the 
pump to the bottom of the Ragtop Frame pump pistons/cylinders?

***The flexible hose are each different sizes, so the question lies being 
does it matter to which port on the hydraulic motor the lines are connected?

Thanks again


Steve Reed
'68 Cutlass
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
Austin, TX 

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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:50:38 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Muncie supplier [LATE REPLY}

Thanks, Steve. This is a long-term project, so I don't have to cancel 
any $2K checks or anything. That rebuild price sure sounds great. 
Seems like I can find decent cores around here for well under $500, 
but then I haven't looked seriously. That's just based on what I see 
listed in the classifieds.

John
68 442 convt.


>
>John,
>         First off I'm getting to the email reply late.....But I am 
>getting my '70 C/S's M-22 rebuilt by the guy who did the posi 
>carrier and 3.73 ring gear in my daily driver.  I'll let you know 
>what the costs were all done & said with.  But he quoted me 
>$200-$250 in labor and that was to replace 'The Works'.  The only 
>difference in cost was the amount of parts mine requires.
>         1 rebuild kit (Synchros only) W/Seals, Vs. another with more parts.
>
>I'll let you know real soon, as I just dropped with the guy Friday 
>and he'll be tearing it apart this weekend, so I should have it back 
>in 2 weeks or so.
>
>I'll let you know what the final costs are, but with the message you 
>listed, I would DEFINITELY find one used and have someone go-thru.
>
>My M-22 is also a Driver's side/left speedometer cable W/2 Drain Plugs.
>
>
>Steve Reed
>'68 Cutlass
>'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
>Austin, TX

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