
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 1 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5008



Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response
RE: Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response
Re: Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response
RE: Cooling
RE: 403 Throwing Belts - an odd idea / Rover-Buick History
RE: Cooling upgrade - Attn Chris
Hurst SSJ
2004 Nationals (and tic toc tach!)
FRAUD ALERT: Please remove these email addresses AT ONCE
Re: 2004 Nationals (and tic toc tach!)
set of 4 SSIV wheels B/O
RE: 2004 Nationals (and tic toc tach!)
Re: Cooling
PUI Apholstery replacement
Re: PUI Apholstery replacement
Re: Cooling
Re: PUI upholstery
Re: Interior cost
Re: PUI upholstery
OPG [was RE: PUI upholstery]
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Piston Motion
Hog Ring Pliers
tactful person he*p needed
Re: Hog Ring Pliers
Re: OPG [was RE: PUI upholstery]
Re: Hog Ring Pliers
4-4-2 on jack stands again
Re: PUI upholstery
OCA judging snafu
Re: OCA judging snafu

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:16:21 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response

>From the Dyno Max tech support person:

Paul Tumolo submitted the following questions:
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Comments: I just installed a 2.5&quot; mandel bent dual exhaust system
on
my car. I used the DynoMax 17749 mufflers.

They are too loud.

Do you have a muffler that is the same size that offers good performance
but is quieter?

Thanks!
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Thank you for your inquiry for Dynomax Exhaust.  We appreciate your
interest in our products.   Unfortunately, the Super Turbo is the
quieter
of our performance mufflers.    If you have the room in your system,  we
would suggest installing a small resonator is line with the muffler to
help
quiet it down.  We recommend our bullet mufflers as a resonator.  In the
2
1/2" in/out we have a 4" round with a 12" body - 24215- or a 18" body -
24236.
If you have any further questions, please feel free to contact our tech
line at the number below.

Thank You,

Diane Carroll
Diane Carroll
Dynomax Performance Exhaust
Installation Technician
734-384-7806

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 14:52:17 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response

Paul, it sounds like you went from the short loud dynomax mufflers to
the long quiet dynomax mufflers and your exhaust got louder.  I have the
long body dynomax mufflers and don't notice it being loud unless I have
the windows down and I'm driving next to a wall.

Is it possible the change in pipes is what made your system louder?
Maybe the pipes have thinner walls than your old pipes.  You didn't
change to headers did you?

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382
  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tumolo [mailto:ptumolo@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:16 PM
> To: Oldsmobile-Digest
> Subject: Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response
> 
> From the Dyno Max tech support person:
> 
> Paul Tumolo submitted the following questions:
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Comments: I just installed a 2.5&quot; mandel bent dual 
> exhaust system on my car. I used the DynoMax 17749 mufflers.
> 
> They are too loud.
> 
> Do you have a muffler that is the same size that offers good 
> performance but is quieter?
> 
> Thanks!
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Thank you for your inquiry for Dynomax Exhaust.  We appreciate your
> interest in our products.   Unfortunately, the Super Turbo is the
> quieter
> of our performance mufflers.    If you have the room in your 
> system,  we
> would suggest installing a small resonator is line with the 
> muffler to help quiet it down.  We recommend our bullet 
> mufflers as a resonator.  In the
> 2
> 1/2" in/out we have a 4" round with a 12" body - 24215- or a 
> 18" body - 24236.
> If you have any further questions, please feel free to 
> contact our tech line at the number below.
> 
> Thank You,
> 
> Diane Carroll
> Diane Carroll
> Dynomax Performance Exhaust
> Installation Technician
> 734-384-7806
> 
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 Hardtop
> OCA # 31967 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 16:11:29 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Loud Exhaust - DynoMax Response

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I've got flowmasters on my Cutlass. Nice mellow rumble unless I stomp on  it.
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:19:12 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Cooling

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:45:40 -0400
> From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
> Subject: Cooling

snip
 
> I never get above 190 degress no matter how hot it gets.

snip

> Medway, MA 02053

Aww, come on Paul, how hot can it get way up north there in Massachusetts?

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:40:41 -0700
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: 403 Throwing Belts - an odd idea / Rover-Buick History

FYI on the Buick vs Rover 215 Aluminum V8.
Buick sold the rights to the 218 aluminum V8 to British Leyland I believe, 
and then they either bought or were already producing Rovers,  back in the 
60's. That is also where the the TR8 got its engine from.


John


64 Olds Super 88. found in a field sitting for 18 years,, really!

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 13:56:50 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Cooling upgrade - Attn Chris

> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 07:28:28 -0700
> From: "Chris Fair" <cfair@att.net>
> Subject: RE: Cooling upgrade - Attn Chris
> 
> ... on a hot day. Which of course, is when you'd like to use a convertible.

It all depends on what constitutes a "hot day" in your neck of the woods. Out here it's top up and AC on during the "hot days", which can be as much as 117º in the shade. Top down cruising weather is during the colder winter months, when it's 60-65 or so.

Current Phoenix temp is 105º, expecting a high of 109º, and of course, sunny, sunny, sunny. No top down for me until Fall, thank you.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:05:54 EDT
From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: Hurst SSJ

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in great shape with all the paperwork,build sheet, protecto-plate etc..  Very 
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 18:12:06 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 2004 Nationals (and tic toc tach!)

I had some prblems with my 79 Cutlass tach.  But it 
had nothing to do with age, it was a marginal design.  
I added a filter cap on the pc board, and now it's 
solid as a rock.  Bruce Roe

31 Aug 2004 NUOLDSMAN@aol.com writes:
> Scott,
>        Hopefully you got the special shielded  wire with
> the tach, and it had the in-line fuse attached as well.  
> If you  got all of the above, you will need to run the 
> shielded wire through the  firewall to the coil, 
> then ground the 
> short wire to a ground inside the back of  the dash.  


> Don't be surprised if your  tach doesn't operate, or 
> operates erratically.  Remember it's a 30 year old  
> piece of electrical components and may be due for an 
> overhaul. 

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:51:48 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: FRAUD ALERT: Please remove these email addresses AT ONCE

They may send a hit man after you.  

31 Aug 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:

> These wizards are using the following addresses to perpetrate the 
> Nigerian Fake Cashier's check scam.

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 01:25:42 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 2004 Nationals (and tic toc tach!)

At 06:12 PM 8/31/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I had some prblems with my 79 Cutlass tach.  But it 
>had nothing to do with age, it was a marginal design.  
>I added a filter cap on the pc board, and now it's 
>solid as a rock.  Bruce Roe

More likely, it was just the jumper. Happens on almost all of them
eventually. The permanent cure is to solder a jumper in place of the
plug-in thingy.

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:37:59 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: set of 4 SSIV wheels B/O

I'd like to sell my set of 4 SSIV wheels (15" 5x5 bolt circle). Contact me
privately if interested.

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:10:02 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: 2004 Nationals (and tic toc tach!)

Steve & List-

>Scott,
>        Hopefully you got the special shielded  wire with the tach, and it 
>had
>the in-line fuse attached as well.  If you  got all of the above, you will
>need to run the shielded wire through the  firewall to the coil, then 
>ground the
>short wire to a ground inside the back of  the dash.  You hook up one wire 
>to
>the light spade connector then bolt  everything in.  Pretty simple really.

Um...  What wire?  lol...no, apparently I didn't get the wire here.  I don't 
think either of the sets he had had any kind of long wire. there is a short 
grey wire with a spade coming out the back, but that's it.  Is this wire 
available aftermarket?  Perhaps I can fabricate something?

I suppose I should have mentioned that I switched the Distributor to an HEI 
model.

I have hooked up the gauge pod and, after some serious confusion, found the 
instructions in the box on how to switch around the wiring.


>Don't be
>surprised if your  tach doesn't operate, or operates erratically.  Remember 
>it's
>a 30 year old  piece of electrical components and may be due for an 
>overhaul.
>  Mine always  seemed to operate normally up to a certain RPM, then hang 
>up.
>Common  problem with them.

If the "certain RPM" is around 4500 I'll never know there's an issue.   I 
expect the clock to be right twice a day.  The needle is a bit faded, as 
well as the dark red "danger" zone around 6000 so I might just have the 
thing reconditioned.

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:09:22 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling

Paul, what is "Water Wetter", does it foam, and where can it be bought. I
have always used distilled water in my vehicles; a chemical engineer once
told me that if I do that, I then must make sure my anti-freeze has a very
good anti corrosion agent. Since distilled water contains large amounts of
dissolved oxygen, over and above the general atomic ratio. My '76 98 455
requires the 195 degree thermostat, while it has never gotten above 200
degrees, even when it's 100 out . I would like to stick in a 180. My only
question is does it affect the interior heating adversely, when it's cold
out?  What is a "Be Cool radiator", or rather , is that a name brand, after
market radiator? Never heard of it before.   Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Cc: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 4:45 AM
Subject: Cooling


> Here is what you need for a bullet proof cooling system:
>
> 1. Be Cool radiator
> 2. GM factory fan shroud
> 3. Fan Clutch
> 4. 7 blade GM factory fan
> 5. Aftermarket trans cooler - I like TCI coolers
> 6. 180 degree high flow thermostat
>
> You will need a 4 core top plate as well. If your car has a 3 core in
> it, the bottom brackets will need to be "tweaked" wider for the bigger
> radiator.
>
> I run 30% anti freeze, 70% water, and add in 2 bottles of Watter Wetter.
>
> Mr car has a warmed over 455 and 3.91 gears. I never get above 190
> degress no matter how hot it gets.
>
> Best way to find the parts in on E-Bay
>
> Paul Tumolo, Principal
> Edusult Performance Systems
> 6 Clark Street
> Medway, MA 02053
> Office: 508-482-0184
> Mobile: 508-789-8191
> E-mail: ptumolo@comcast.net
> Website: www.edusult.com
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 23:15:03 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: PUI Apholstery replacement

List-

I *know* I grabbed their card...it's here somewhere!  It was something like 
"advantage upholstery" or "innovation interiors"...but, close is only good 
enough in horseshoes and hand-grenades.   I'm sure someone else on the list 
wandered through the swap meet and remember their tent. They fat catalogs 
with Ch*bby and other old car stuff.  They had four different model bucket 
seats on display and they looked impecable.  I briefly mentioned PUI to them 
and they were more than familliar with them. They wanted $180 for my rear 
bench seat in my 70 Cutlass Supreme.  Year One wants $130 for PUI's stuff.

But, until I find thier card...

On digest mode
Scott White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 00:23:34 EDT
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: PUI Apholstery replacement

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 21:42:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Cooling

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Hi, Rick!  
 
"Water Wetter" is a coolant additive made by Redline Oils.  Presumably, it
can lower coolant temps by several (up to 20?) degrees.  It is red in color,
and no-- it doesn't foam.  It's sold in 16-oz.(?) bottles at many auto parts
chain stores, such as Checker/Schuck's/Kragen and Pep Boys, for about
eight bucks a bottle...  good stuff.
 
And yes-- "Be Cool" makes an outstanding aluminum radiator (p/n 134-62008
for '66 to '77 Cutlass, Supreme and 4-4-2-- from Jeg's, for 590 bucks + tax).

              hth...                              Phantom455
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Rick & Roxanne <aremessenger@icehouse.net> wrote:
Paul, what is "Water Wetter", does it foam, and where can it be bought. I
have always used distilled water in my vehicles; a chemical engineer once
told me that if I do that, I then must make sure my anti-freeze has a very
good anti corrosion agent. Since distilled water contains large amounts of
dissolved oxygen, over and above the general atomic ratio. My '76 98 455
requires the 195 degree thermostat, while it has never gotten above 200
degrees, even when it's 100 out . I would like to stick in a 180. My only
question is does it affect the interior heating adversely, when it's cold
out? What is a "Be Cool radiator", or rather , is that a name brand, after
market radiator? Never heard of it before. Rick Messenger

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<DIV>Hi, Rick!&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>"Water Wetter" is a coolant additive made by Redline Oils.&nbsp; Presumably, it</DIV>
<DIV>can lower&nbsp;coolant temps by several (up to 20?) degrees.&nbsp; It is red in color,</DIV>
<DIV>and no-- it doesn't foam.&nbsp; It's sold in 16-oz.(?) bottles at many auto parts</DIV>
<DIV>chain stores, such as Checker/Schuck's/Kragen and Pep Boys, for about</DIV>
<DIV>eight bucks a bottle...&nbsp; good stuff.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>And yes-- "Be Cool" makes an outstanding aluminum radiator (p/n 134-62008</DIV>
<DIV>for '66 to '77 Cutlass, Supreme and 4-4-2-- from Jeg's, for 590 bucks + tax).<BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; hth...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><B><I>Rick &amp; Roxanne &lt;aremessenger@icehouse.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Paul, what is "Water Wetter", does it foam, and where can it be bought. I<BR>have always used distilled water in my vehicles; a chemical engineer once<BR>told me that if I do that, I then must make sure my anti-freeze has a very<BR>good anti corrosion agent. Since distilled water contains large amounts of<BR>dissolved oxygen, over and above the general atomic ratio. My '76 98 455<BR>requires the 195 degree thermostat, while it has never gotten above 200<BR>degrees, even when it's 100 out . I would like to stick in a 180. My only<BR>question is does it affect the interior heating adversely, when it's cold<BR>out? What is a "Be Cool radiator", or rather , is that a name brand, after<BR>market radiator? Never heard of it before. Rick Messenger<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:05:58 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Re: PUI upholstery

Just sharing my experience with PUI, which was actually really good.

I ordered an interior kit from Year One as well. Waited about 500 years for
them to arrive, and the door panels had glue on the carpet, and the
indentations in the seams were lifting. 

Decided to call PUI directly, and they were *super* nice. Asked me to e-mail
them a picture of the damage, and they would confirm and send me out a new
set right away. Was even told they would physically pull the panels out of
the box to make sure they were OK. They shipped them off and I had new
panels inside of a week and they were perfect. Didn't even have me send the
defective ones back so saved me shipping there.

At any rate, I found their customer service to be excellent. You may
consider calling them to let them know your issue directly to see what they
say. I would assume YearOne would be useless resolving this for you.

Just my $.02

Albert

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:37:29 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: PUI upholstery

Hello-

To the other poor sap who bought PUI upholstery, please consider returning 
it.  I recently purchased the rear bench for my '70 Cutlass Supreme and the 
covers they sent me were HORRIFIC!  There was a glaring error in the sewing 
on the seatback that someone had lightly circled in white crayone.  The same

seatback was not even complete: it was lacking the heavy cord at the bottom 
the hog rings secure to.

I requested Year One to send another set.   After two weeks on backorder, 
they arrived.  I installed them and it seems they have too much fabric in 
the corners.   I've noted that the vinyl grain doesn't match quite right and

the contour lines sewn into the covers don't look quite right. I'm not a 
stickler for originality but I could recognise that these covers were 
substandard.  Especially when I saw some fantastic repro covers at the 2004 
Nats.

On digest mode
Scott White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:10:33 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Re: Interior cost

Recovering seats is super easy. Time consuming, and you need to make sure
you have a good set of pliers (I use mini bolt cutters) to remove the old
hog rings or your wrists and forearms will be killing you.

One tip I can give - get your seats all ready to go with foam, get all your
metal parts out and ready to assemble, then throw the covers in the drier on
low for 10 min. That will keep them warm for a while, and I've found the get
nice and stretchy and will give you enough time to get them on without
killing yourself. Just have everything ready to go so you're working with
warm seats.

Good luck!

Albert
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:54:12 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Interior cost

> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 20:57:48 -0400
> From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Interior cost
> 
> Truthfully, after watching the guy do the vinyl, I 
> think I'd be tempted to do it myself if I had to do it again.  

I agree. I had no prior experience with recovering seats, and I 
was able to easily install the seat covers on both the buckets 
and the rear bench with no problems. The buckets took about a 
half day each, and the bench took about a half day.

> There are some tricks of the trade, like covering
> the foam padding with a trash bag to get the vinyl to go on 
> easier

Yes, that really helps the seat covers to easily slide across the 
foam. Otherwise, it's a real pain to work the seat covers into place. 
I ended up leaving the plastic sheeting under the seat covers - I lived 
on the Gulf Coast at the time, and I figured it would be good insurance 
against getting caught in the rain with the top down. It's amazing how 
much water the seat cushion can hold, and it's no fun to drive around 
with a wet butt.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix AZ

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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:39:45 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: PUI upholstery

I have redone my front seat with the PUI kit. This is the split bench with 
the arm rest, not a trivial thing to sew up. Fit was excellent and the 
material is very nice. After almost 2 years in the CA sun (my car is out 
all day!) and about 10k miles in it, the seat looks brand new. White vinyl 
to boot!

George
71 c/s ragtop (PUI front seat)
71 442
71 S partscar / inquire!

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:22:45 -0400 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: OPG [was RE: PUI upholstery]

Anyone know if the Original Parts Group stuff is PUI also?

Thanks,
Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
[soaking in all of the interior install tips ;-)]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Albert Penello [mailto:albert@albertpenello.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 1:06 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: PUI upholstery
> 
> 
> Just sharing my experience with PUI, which was actually really good.
> 
> I ordered an interior kit from Year One as well. 

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:28:17 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FYA:  FRAUD ALERT: Please remove these email addresses AT ONCE (KMM15275596V18

I guess that letter to the FBI asserting that Yahoo! isessentially serving 
as an ACCOMPLICE, by failure to kill the account being used for the illicit 
affairs, finally got some real action.

Thanks for your attention.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 08:31:23 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Piston Motion

Hmmmmm

To the piston motion spreadsheet I added the 3 basic configurations of crank 
and rod-
350/330, 425/E400, and 455/G400

Interestingly, the rod angle is virtually IDENTICAL throughout the range of 
motion for the 425 and the 350 engines.

I still get acceleration behavior very much different near TDC than it is 
near BDC. Magnitude differs by a factor of two, for one thing.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:03:04 -0500
From: "Stephen Reed" <stephenreed@austin.rr.com>
Subject: Hog Ring Pliers

All,
	Since the thread of upholstery came up, I am getting to the process of
doing my seats.
	Do those that have recovered theirs suggest using the bent or straight
pliers as shown on  eastwood.com.

And, also as Greg B. wrote, whom else is a supplier other than P.U.I.?

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:31:03 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: tactful person he*p needed

I am having a bit of a problem with the OCA judging process

I am of course deficient in tact and such

I need the assistance of a tactful person to revise my scathing letter to 
the OCA folks so that it stands a chance of getting a positive result.

I am "a bit disenchanted" with the whole thing and thus not inclined to 
restrain myself, but really need to. Somewheres between "hopping mad" and 
"spittin' nails" would be about right.

Need to do this privately, off list.

Anyone can help? Anyone got legal expertise? I'm getting screwed the OCA 
here.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:59:10 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Hog Ring Pliers

Steve:

I used the straight pliers that OPG sell.

George

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 07:59:38 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: OPG [was RE: PUI upholstery]

>Anyone know if the Original Parts Group stuff is PUI also?

My cover was, 2 years ago.

George

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:40:18 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Hog Ring Pliers

I like the bent nose pliers I got from my upholstery supplier.  The bent 
nose allows you a little more flexibility in hard to reach places IMHO.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:48:07 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: 4-4-2 on jack stands again

Since the Vista porject is moving at a snails pace and I have a fun drag 
race to attend this fall, I have the 4-4-2 in the air geting some much 
needed repar.  Clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing, pilot bearing, 
resurfaced flywheel, and some fresh synchros for the four speed.  While I am 
at it, I am going to rebuild the posi, so both tires will spin, or not, 
together.  I am looking forward to making some passes (street tires only) 
and driving her again.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:16:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geo <geogeethree@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PUI upholstery

I had a PUI seat cover set installed on my '72 442 two
years ago.  I was, and still am, VERY impressed with
the correct pattern and color, as well as the quality
and fit.

Geo
'72 442


> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:37:29 -0500
> From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
> Subject: PUI upholstery
> 
> Hello-
> 
> To the other poor sap who bought PUI upholstery,
> please consider returning 
> it.  I recently purchased the rear bench for my '70
> Cutlass Supreme and the 
> covers they sent me were HORRIFIC!  There was a
> glaring error in the sewing 
> on the seatback that someone had lightly circled in
> white crayone.  The same 
> seatback was not even complete: it was lacking the
> heavy cord at the bottom 
> the hog rings secure to.
> 
> I requested Year One to send another set.   After
> two weeks on backorder, 
> they arrived.  I installed them and it seems they
> have too much fabric in 
> the corners.   I've noted that the vinyl grain
> doesn't match quite right and 
> the contour lines sewn into the covers don't look
> quite right. I'm not a 
> stickler for originality but I could recognise that
> these covers were 
> substandard.  Especially when I saw some fantastic
> repro covers at the 2004 
> Nats.
> 
> On digest mode
> Scott White
> 93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
> 86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
> 70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
> 55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)


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Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:49:27 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OCA judging snafu

The position of the OCA officials at this time is that the car was 
registered late, therefore, although the car was inspected and a judge 
scoring sheet was made out... they refuse to share that information with me. 
Not one friggin clue as to what needs improvement. Furthermore, they as much 
as insinuated to me that it was MY FAULT that the judges "wasted their time" 
going over the car, when it was not eligible to be judged. Apparently, the 
process of deciding which cars are, and which are NOT to be judged... does 
not work worth a darn... and that is of course MY fault...

Mind you, that is contrary to what I was told on the phone when sending the 
registration. Apparently, your only clue that you are not registered 
properly is if you DO NOT get something in the mail!?!?!?! Isn't that nice? 
Absence of a letter means you got screwed. Thanks for the $30 anyhow.

So, the poor unemployed sap is convinced to bring the car for judging at 
considerable expense and difficulty, and then left with "squat" for his 
efforts. Thanks. I  sure want to repeat that experience. Boy, what fun to be 
part of a car club.

Kinda takes all the fun right out of it. If they wanna be that way about 
it...
I want my Hurst Hairy Olds part back
They never paid me for it anyhow.

Man does this piss me right off.
Folks don't stand by their word, and there's no consequences for their 
actions.
Maybe it's time for some litigation.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:10:48 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: OCA judging snafu

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Did they fill out a judging form???

IF so,   kindly request a copy,  if they say "no",  do  what I did   do not 
renew your membership


my 2 cents

Vinny
68 H/O

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