
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 13 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5056



Free left Headlight assy for 90, 91 Cutlass Supreme
Re: more MSD headaches
Non Olds Humor
Re: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......
Re: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......
Re: Non Olds Humor
Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Re: more MSD headaches
Re: Convertible Top Woes
Re: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......
'54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
FWD: Olds 455 Intake Manifold
Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
V6 plug change - not very Olds related.
Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Glidden and Olds
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
RE: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
RE: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.
FW: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
Re: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.
UNBOUNCE: Seeking 1967 olds cutlass parts
UNBOUNCE: '62 Big Car Disk Brake Conversion
UNBOUNCE: '65 F-85 4-door
Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
88 Royale convertible
Re: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Re: more MSD headaches
Re: Re:
Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?
Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F-85 4-door
Re: Re:

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 20:54:51 -0700
From: "mitzm" <mitzm@earthlink.net>
Subject: Free left Headlight assy for 90, 91 Cutlass Supreme

I've got one of these PN 16508055, date code 8-25-8089.   Left drivers side
headlight assy for 90 or 91 Cutlass Supremes based on by comparison on
junkyard cars.  May fit others.  Looks brand new.  Includes headlight, two
bulbs, and adjuster/frame.     Was gonna put it on ebay but doesn't look
like there is much of a market for it.

Asking $10 for shipping.    Otherwise Free to good home.   Pic available on
request.

Inquire off line please at mitzm@earthlink.net
Hans

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:51:04 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

I know this is a longshot, but your symptoms sound much like mine when I
fried my MSD box.

I was using 6a box, Blaster 2 coil and their Pro-Billet distributor. I was
futzing with the coil while the car was running and well.....one of the side
terminals arced to an intake bolt.

Finally put a timing light on it and revved up the car....dang box was
acting backwards! As the rpm's increased, my timing would retard!!

Randy

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:33:19 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Non Olds Humor

30,000 sounds pretty low to me, why bother to make it 
long term reliable?  If that's correct, I'll bet a lot of 
speedometers have gotten messed with.  Bruce Roe

12 Oct 2004 "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:
> > He said that there is a national 30,000 mile law in Japan. 
> > Which means, that once your car reaches
> > that point, you are forced to turn it in.

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:34:56 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......

> Please take a look: http://home.att.net/~tinman3/cs.htm

Disregard, the guys on the G-Body list have instilled their knowledge and
figured out it's an '80 Supreme and it's not a 307....but a '77- '80 350,
thanks Steve H.

Although I'm still confused as to the frontend configuration....doesn't
match any pics I've seen anywhere. Hmmm.....

Randy

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:42:17 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......

The mystery Cutlass is a 1980 Cutlass Supreme.  '80 is the last year for 
the 13 digit VIN.  In '81 the 17 digit VIN started.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 23:27:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Non Olds Humor

> 30,000 sounds pretty low to me, why bother to make it
> long term reliable?


When we were in Japan in February 2000, we were told about the 30,000 mile
rule, but they need to have reliable cars for the world market outside of
Japan and for the Japanese used car parts export business. Yes, it sounds
stupid and strange, but that's the way they do it.


> If that's correct, I'll bet a lot of
> speedometers have gotten messed with.


The Japanese culture is based on obedience to higher authority. I doubt
there's much speedometer tampering. If it happened here, with our
independent and self-reliant spirit, speedometer tampering would be so
widespread the law would have to be scraped.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:20:42 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

Okay, I'm skipping the Dick Miller timing set and split cover. I was 
looking at Jegs online catalog and they show a "street" true roller 
set, in addition to the slightly more expensive, use-it-anywhere, 
plain true roller.

Any significant difference for my street machine?

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/search/search.d2w/report2?searchphrase=cloyes+timing+chain&smartsearch=on&ns=Y

John
68 442 convt.

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:27:01 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

Hmm. I guess I'd really better try the original HEI setup before 
yanking the engine. I don't think I want to tell you where the 
Blaster coil is currently placed. Steve would not only insist on my 
shade tree license; he'd probably also want my car keys.

Hey, Randy. At least the brakes work good!

John
68 442 convt., ex Geisel (any relation to Theodore?) front discs

>I know this is a longshot, but your symptoms sound much like mine when I
>fried my MSD box.
>
>I was using 6a box, Blaster 2 coil and their Pro-Billet distributor. I was
>futzing with the coil while the car was running and well.....one of the side
>terminals arced to an intake bolt.
>
>Finally put a timing light on it and revved up the car....dang box was
>acting backwards! As the rpm's increased, my timing would retard!!
>
>Randy

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 08:42:11 -0400
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top Woes

On Tuesday, Oct 12th Kenneth wrote:

>> I have now determined that the top I bought from Year One 
>> (made by Kee Manufacturing)...and WILL NOT fit properly...
>>
>> Kenneth
>> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
>> Phoenix, AZ
>> 
>> ------------------------------

Kenneth,

Maybe the factory can help. Their toll-free number is:
800-438-5934 or e-mail: KeeAuto@bellsouth.net or you can view 
their web site at www.keeautotop.com 

Just an idea.

Best wishes,
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:04:08 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: What year is this Cutlass? 77, 78......

> I'm stumped.....major lack of G-Body knowledge!
>
> Please take a look: http://home.att.net/~tinman3/cs.htm

Front end says 1980.  First generation downsized body ('78-'80) with quad
headlights.  ('78 and '79 had two larger square lights.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:25:44 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

This may be old news, but still damn cool:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp
?id=178112

I've seen old pics of this car before, but do not know its history.
Who's down for some storytelling?  :)

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:46:43 +0000
From: oldsranch@att.net (Dave Worthington)
Subject: FWD: Olds 455 Intake Manifold

Forwarded.    Remember, its not MY project....  Contact this guy if you are interested, not me.  

- ---------------------------------- 
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http://home.att.net/~oldsranch 
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- ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- 
From: cordax1964@att.net 
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 04:16:53 +0000 

My name is Gary Rockwell. I live near Dayton and have a GMC motorhome with the 
Olds 455 drive train. I am reproducing the intake manifold in aluminum for this 
engine. The new aluminum manifold fits the original profile, so you do not need 
to raise the floor in the motorhome or the hood on a Toronado/Cutlass. 

I have to order a minimum of 100 castings next month, so I wanted to know if 
anyone in your group would be interested in a new aluminum intake manifold for 
the olds 455. The price is $500.00 each complete. 

Please let me know of any websites or clubs that may have people needing a 
manifold. 

I posted pictures of the project including the prototype manifold: 

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/gallery/showalbum.php?aid=738&uuid=grockwell 

Thanks, 

Gary Rockwell 
937-367-3744 






________________________________________________________________ 
Sent via the WebMail system at w-30.com 

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:58:24 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

Dan,

I have a promo post card of that 1954 Olds Cutlass Concept Car.  Its a real
cool post card, and if I am not mistaken I believe that a certain Chevy
nameplate actually got to use that conceptual design.

Rob [Yes, all Vettes can thank Olds for their heritage haha]
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car


> This may be old news, but still damn cool:
>
>
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/events/scottsdale/vehicles/cardetail_list.asp
> ?id=178112
>
> I've seen old pics of this car before, but do not know its history.
> Who's down for some storytelling?  :)

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:08:48 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

dan,
   I think there is something over on 442.com about this car..... don't 
remember for sure...
john
67 cutlass supreme 4 speed 

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:09:46 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.

Whoever suggested pulling the spark plugs at oh 60k miles for the 
application of anti sieze must not have a Caravan. Getting misfire, Service 
Engine Soon Vaguest Possible Warning Light on all the time. At about 62k 
miles. Crikey. Make-a the wife not so happy. Hell, do a tune up. What's 
that? Plugs and maybe wires?  No dist'r.

Get $50 worth of parts. Platimun plugs, cause I do not want to do this again 
soon. Front 3 are done in 5 minutes. Back 3... are... rather inaccessible. 
Jack up the van, access from underside worked on the '87. One is not bad, 
center one is almost reachable, the RH one is only barely reachable with 
left hand only. Boot/wire is NOT coming off. From above, looks like 2 hours 
and lots of gaskets to remove the intake plenum to MAYBE gain access to the 
plugs. Finally got the plug wire off by using 2 long pry bars to pinch the 
thing and tug at it from above. Had to totally remove the wire then, it kept 
flipping back in the way. over HALF AN HOUR just to get the socket onto the 
spark plug, the one plug. Dang! You better have exactly the right 
combination of sockets, extensions, and drive handle, too.

Finally got her buttoned back up, runs great now, the old plugs were very 
rounded off, and the gaps were .065 to .085, vs a spec on the new plugs of 
.050. No SES light now!

PS the nice AL jack picked THAT DAY to fail to work. I sold off the old 
reliable orange steel jack of course. Ramps over at a friend's house. :-(

CBWitt

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 10:47:10 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

   rob,
   not sure here, but pretty sure the vette came out in 53

Rob [Yes, all Vettes can thank Olds for their heritage haha]

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:13:41 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mick442@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

> Okay, I'm skipping the Dick Miller timing set and split cover. I was
> looking at Jegs online catalog and they show a "street" true roller set, 
> in addition to the slightly more expensive, use-it-anywhere, plain true 
> roller.
>
> Any significant difference for my street machine?

John,
I remember reading something recently where one type of Cloyes' set has 
split rollers and is made offshore. It is not the quality of the original 
Cloyes set. This is where my memory fails; I think the good set with solid 
rollers was the "Street" set but I'm not 100% sure of this. Maybe Jegs will 
tell you if you ask.

Mick Gillespie
1969 442 Conv. (clone)
1980 Toro
http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm 

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:28:57 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

>>Okay, I'm skipping the Dick Miller timing set and split cover. I was
>>looking at Jegs online catalog and they show a "street" true roller 
>>set, in addition to the slightly more expensive, use-it-anywhere, 
>>plain true roller.
>>
>>Any significant difference for my street machine?
>
>John,
>I remember reading something recently where one type of Cloyes' set 
>has split rollers and is made offshore. It is not the quality of the 
>original Cloyes set. This is where my memory fails; I think the good 
>set with solid rollers was the "Street" set but I'm not 100% sure of 
>this. Maybe Jegs will tell you if you ask.


Oh man, you mean I have to use the telephone?

The non-street variety was more expensive. Leads me to think it's the 
domestic one. Guess I'll have to ask.

Thanks, Mick. BTW how are those wheels on the '69 holding up? Many 
miles on them yet? Sure are nice.

John
68 442 convt. w. rusty SIII's

>
>Mick Gillespie
>1969 442 Conv. (clone)
>1980 Toro
>http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm


- -- 
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Library Media Specialist
Phillips Elementary
703 Lemaster Drive
Hampton, VA 23669
757 850 5155

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:43:26 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

I went to the cloyes.com website and looked at their "high 
performance" catalog. The True Rollers are the originals, with either 
"ductile iron or induction-hardened cast iron" cam sprockets and a 
"Renold True Roller chain." They factory match the sets, so I bet 
these be the domestic ones.

The "Street" jobs are for the "value driven racer" and don't have the 
above features.

Being totally lacking in values, I'll go with the original.

John
68 442 convt.
- -- 

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:02:47 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Glidden and Olds

Go here and read the story.

http://www.competitionplus.com/2004_09_15/glidden.html



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:04:41 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

> I went to the cloyes.com website and looked at their "high
> performance" catalog. The True Rollers are the originals, with either
> "ductile iron or induction-hardened cast iron" cam sprockets and a
> "Renold True Roller chain." They factory match the sets, so I bet
> these be the domestic ones.

- ---------------------

Some of the Cloyes sets for the Olds engine have been made overseas for
years.  Most were from Europe or Japan if not 100% made in the USA.  They
may have changed hands lately, but until I see evidence to the contrary, I
will still recommend and swear by their chain sets.  They are the ONLY
manufacturer from whom I have never had a set that was measurably off spec.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:04:34 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mick442@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

> Thanks, Mick. BTW how are those wheels on the '69 holding up? Many miles 
> on them yet? Sure are nice.
>
> John

Probably 10k -15k on the wheels now. They're holding up fine but boy do I 
get tired of polishing them. Untreated bare aluminum tends to corrode 
quickly if not kept clean and polished. I've been contemplating clearcoating 
or anodizing them to save me some work :-)

Mick Gillespie
1969 442 Conv. (clone)
1980 Toro
http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:36:08 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

There's info & pics here:

http://johnnasta.com/6898/resources/

Just click the "concept cars" link.  All of the info from my Olds site will
soon be moved to the Olds Club of AZ web site.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JOHN ORR
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:09 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

dan,
   I think there is something over on 442.com about this car..... don't
remember for sure...
john
67 cutlass supreme 4 speed

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:47:26 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.

>Whoever suggested pulling the spark plugs at oh 60k miles for the 
>application of anti sieze must not have a Caravan.

Ugh. Trust me, Chris, GM didn't do it any better. My '96 Trans Sport could 
use new plugs, wires and O2 sensor, but I have yet to figure out a 
shade-tree way of getting at the back of the engine where most of that stuff 
lives. Somebody (here on the Olds list, I think it was) said that they 
actually dropped the engine cradle to get at everything, which I'm not sure 
I want to tackle.

I also had a Check Engine last month which turned out to be a Multiple 
Misfires code (no doubt due to doing 70+ mph on the tollway with the whole 
family and luggage on board and A/C going at the time), but the light went 
out the next day, stayed out, and after about 50+ driving sessions without 
the light ever returning, I figured it was safe to go for the bi-annual 
emissions test last week.

Fortunately I was right: the emissions test for '96 and up consists only of 
quizzing the ECM for any stored error codes or recent clearing of same, and 
there were none, so the van is good to go for another two years now, by 
which time I don't plan to have it anymore anyway.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:49:59 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

>   rob,
>   not sure here, but pretty sure the vette came out in 53
>
>Rob [Yes, all Vettes can thank Olds for their heritage haha]

I believe Pontiac was going to share the Corvette platform, but then Ch*vy 
locked it up for themselves. Do I remember right? (And doesn't a Pontiac 
prototype of some sort still exist, maybe in the Joe Bortz collection...?)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:53:50 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.

be glad you can do it that way. for me its yank the plenium and curse alot since my forarms are 
bigger than area working in
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 10:09 AM
Subject: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.


> Whoever suggested pulling the spark plugs at oh 60k miles for the application of anti sieze must 
> not have a Caravan. Getting misfire, Service Engine Soon Vaguest Possible Warning Light on all the 
> time. At about 62k miles. Crikey. Make-a the wife not so happy. Hell, do a tune up. What's that? 
> Plugs and maybe wires?  No dist'r.
>
> Get $50 worth of parts. Platimun plugs, cause I do not want to do this again soon. Front 3 are 
> done in 5 minutes. Back 3... are... rather inaccessible. Jack up the van, access from underside 
> worked on the '87. One is not bad, center one is almost reachable, the RH one is only barely 
> reachable with left hand only. Boot/wire is NOT coming off. From above, looks like 2 hours and 
> lots of gaskets to remove the intake plenum to MAYBE gain access to the plugs. Finally got the 
> plug wire off by using 2 long pry bars to pinch the thing and tug at it from above. Had to totally 
> remove the wire then, it kept flipping back in the way. over HALF AN HOUR just to get the socket 
> onto the spark plug, the one plug. Dang! You better have exactly the right combination of sockets, 
> extensions, and drive handle, too.
>
> Finally got her buttoned back up, runs great now, the old plugs were very rounded off, and the 
> gaps were .065 to .085, vs a spec on the new plugs of .050. No SES light now!
>
> PS the nice AL jack picked THAT DAY to fail to work. I sold off the old reliable orange steel jack 
> of course. Ramps over at a friend's house. :-(
>
> CBWitt
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:47:48 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Seeking 1967 olds cutlass parts

Not on the list, respond to Jwimpla@aol.com if you can assist. CB Witt,
this sounds like one for you...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   Jwimpla@aol.com
Subject: 1967 olds cutlass parts

Looking for hood,fenders,grill and bumper for 1967 olds cultass

If anyone knows where any  or all these parts could be found please email me 
at jwimpla@aol.com or call me 800-616-0722

Thanks 

Jeff Fowler

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:49:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '62 Big Car Disk Brake Conversion

Not on the list, respond to kdthomp@mac.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   Kenneth Thompson <kdthomp@mac.com>
Subject: Latest issue of JWO

I noticed a 62 Olds station wagon in the latest JWO with a disc brake 
conversion and a big block engine. I wish to install disc brakes on my 
62 Starfire. Where do I need to go or who do I need to contact for 
information? Thanks for your help.

Ken Thompson

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:51:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '65 F-85 4-door

Not on the list, respond to Tony.DosSantos@occ.treas.gov if you can
assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   "DosSantos, Tony" <Tony.DosSantos@occ.treas.gov>
Subject: F 85 Deluxe Sedan

Gentlemen: I have a 1965 Oldsmobile F85 4 door Sedan, which has been in my
family since new. Unfortunately, I need to dispose of the vehicle. The
thought of turning it over to a salvage yard makes me ill. It was actually
my Mother's car. The car has been stored with a car cover in a garage for
the last 10 years. When it was put in the garage it was in perfect running
order. Unfortunately, I have allowed the car to remain parked in the garage
without ever cranking it over. The engine has 113,000 miles on it and it is
a 330 V8 2 barrel carb. I would like to find someone that may want it for
parts or attempt to turn into their daily driver. All they need to do is
pick it up and take it away.

The car is located in Tarrytown, New York, 28 miles North of New York City
in Westchester County. 

If you know of someone that might be interested I would appreciate it if you
would pass this email on to them.

Thank you.

Tony DosSantos
8saints@mindspring.com
cell phone: 914-420-2334. 

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:30:24 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

At 10:47 AM 10/13/2004 -0400, John Orr wrote:
>   not sure here, but pretty sure the vette came out in 53


Yup, but the '53 vettes were stuck with a 6 banger.  The F88 had a v-8.


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:38:40 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: 88 Royale convertible

Noticed it for sale in a local car sale magazine.  Low mileage, looked good 
in the pic, $3200, located in Las Cruces NM.  I'll get a number if anyone 
is interested. (Next ad was a '73 Cutlass @ $3295)



Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 20:04:25 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@infionline.net>
Subject: Re: V6 plug change - not very Olds related.

Andrew C. Green wrote:

> I also had a Check Engine last month which turned out to be a Multiple 
> Misfires code (no doubt due to doing 70+ mph on the tollway with the 
> whole family and luggage on board and A/C going at the time), but the 
> light went out the next day, stayed out, and after about 50+ driving 
> sessions without the light ever returning, I figured it was safe to go 
> for the bi-annual emissions test last week. 

Most of the time when the check engine light has shown its' ugly on my 
vehicles it has been emissions related, not engine running related.  
First time it happened on my 89 Town Car (about a lifetime ago) it 
scared the crappola outta me as I was in the middle of nowhere KY on 
I-64 about 9 PM on a cold winter type night.  My first reaction was a 
potty word or two until I thought about it a little and then actually 
looked at the Owner's Manual for a moment or two.  Car was still running 
good at the time so I figured the manual knew something I didn't.  Got 
it confirmed by a mechanic friend of mine the next day. 

Of course here in the Bluegrass State we haven't worried too much about 
emissions as of yet as a general rule.  We have plenty of other laws to 
screw up our lives, so don't feel left out.........

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:10:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

> I was
> looking at Jegs online catalog and they show a "street" true roller
> set, in addition to the slightly more expensive, use-it-anywhere,
> plain true roller.
>
> Any significant difference for my street machine?


The Street True Roller has cast iron sprockets for $69.95 and the True
Roller has billet machined sprockets for $81.99. The 81.99 set will last
forever, and beyond. The 69.95 set will eventually wear. For $12 more, I
would use the True Roller. That's just me. It's your choice.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:28:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

> Hmm. I guess I'd really better try the original HEI setup before
> yanking the engine. I don't think I want to tell you where the
> Blaster coil is currently placed. Steve would not only insist on my
> shade tree license; he'd probably also want my car keys.


Murphy and his family happen sometimes.

I had been resisting saying this, because I didn't want to risk hurting
anyone's feelings. However, buying used and refurbished NASCAR MSD modules
makes me very uncomfortable. First, one has no idea what has happened to the
electronics while in its former use. Second, one doesn't know how well any
electronic problems were uncovered or diagnosed during electronic bench
testing by whomever refurbished the unit. Third, if MSD themselves didn't
refurbish the unit, I would hold the third party entity who did as suspect.
Finally, fourth, Murphy and his family just love to play with refurbished
electronic devices. That's always a given.

I hate to say this, but purchasing a brand new MSD 6A unit and all the
necessary MSD conversion parts for a GM HEI would have been the best way to
go. The MSD instruction manual is just that...it's a complete book. You
simply can't go wrong with it. Absolute worst case is the excellent MSD
trouble-shooting support available by phone.

I'm sorry, but compared to my past 15 years experience with 3 MSD units,
Thunder, the '65 F-85, and the '77 Dodge van, and replacing a couple due to
very high mileage use, I'd say that refurbished NASCAR MSD unit is bad.

In building a high performance car, cutting corners on price generally
doesn't work out well.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:40:22 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Re:

No, just scouting around. Ha
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re:


> what were you explore,life in handcuffs . lol
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:46 PM

> > Ah yes the Matador; the cops from my home town had them for awhile. They
had
> > a police special 409 (I think), and they were run on propane.I used to
ride
> > with them once in awhile( I was an explorer scout) , and they would
scare
> > the pebbles out of me in those cars. Those ole (Ramblers) could really
> > scream,to bad they were such a POS; all kinds of electrical trouble. 2
of
> > the cars they had set up with nitro methane, and when they hit that
button,
> > you best hold on to your butt. I watched them run down Vetts. and
Mustangs
> > all the time. They were funky cars, as were the Gremlins. I knew a guy
that
> > shoe horned a big block AMC engine in one of them, it was lime green and
ran
> > like a scalded cat. Here's one for you, Plymouth Valiants are really hot
> > over here all of the sudden. I used to hate those cars, now it's kind'a
neat
> > to see them on the road.
> >
> > Rick Messenger
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:23 PM
> > Subject: Re: Re:
> >
> >
> >> At 09:55 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >What.........? Steve, you mean to tell me that you didn't like the AMC
> >> >Pacer?  Why , that's a classic! LOL
> >>
> >> 1. That was designed and made here in the good ole US of A.
> >> 2. It was RWD.
> >>
> >> But no, I didn't think of the Pacer and no, I never liked the looks of
> >> them. However, I DID sorta like the exterior looks of the ole Matadors
the
> >> LA cops used to have. Those could be fairly quick, a guy I used to know
> >> with a '69 Z28 got run down by one  ;o(((
> >>
> >> SteveH
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:49:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Cloyes True Roller or Street True Roller?

> Some of the Cloyes sets for the Olds engine have been made overseas for
> years.  Most were from Europe or Japan if not 100% made in the USA.  They
> may have changed hands lately, but until I see evidence to the contrary, I
> will still recommend and swear by their chain sets.  They are the ONLY
> manufacturer from whom I have never had a set that was measurably off
spec.


Absolutely correct. That has been Cloyes' reputation for 40 years.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:01:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 F-85 4-door

Why, oh why, are the free cars a lightyear away?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Beaulieu" <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: "Oldsmobile" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '65 F-85 4-door


> Not on the list, respond to Tony.DosSantos@occ.treas.gov if you can
> assist.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "DosSantos, Tony" <Tony.DosSantos@occ.treas.gov>
> Subject: F 85 Deluxe Sedan
>
> Gentlemen: I have a 1965 Oldsmobile F85 4 door Sedan, which has been in my
> family since new. Unfortunately, I need to dispose of the vehicle. The
> thought of turning it over to a salvage yard makes me ill. It was actually
> my Mother's car. The car has been stored with a car cover in a garage for
> the last 10 years. When it was put in the garage it was in perfect running
> order. Unfortunately, I have allowed the car to remain parked in the
garage
> without ever cranking it over. The engine has 113,000 miles on it and it
is
> a 330 V8 2 barrel carb. I would like to find someone that may want it for
> parts or attempt to turn into their daily driver. All they need to do is
> pick it up and take it away.
>
> The car is located in Tarrytown, New York, 28 miles North of New York City
> in Westchester County.
>
> If you know of someone that might be interested I would appreciate it if
you
> would pass this email on to them.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tony DosSantos
> 8saints@mindspring.com
> cell phone: 914-420-2334.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:51:51 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Re:

just checking.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: Re:


> No, just scouting around. Ha
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re:
> 
> 
>> what were you explore,life in handcuffs . lol
>> Ron
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 6:46 PM
> 
>> > Ah yes the Matador; the cops from my home town had them for awhile. They
> had
>> > a police special 409 (I think), and they were run on propane.I used to
> ride
>> > with them once in awhile( I was an explorer scout) , and they would
> scare
>> > the pebbles out of me in those cars. Those ole (Ramblers) could really
>> > scream,to bad they were such a POS; all kinds of electrical trouble. 2
> of
>> > the cars they had set up with nitro methane, and when they hit that
> button,
>> > you best hold on to your butt. I watched them run down Vetts. and
> Mustangs
>> > all the time. They were funky cars, as were the Gremlins. I knew a guy
> that
>> > shoe horned a big block AMC engine in one of them, it was lime green and
> ran
>> > like a scalded cat. Here's one for you, Plymouth Valiants are really hot
>> > over here all of the sudden. I used to hate those cars, now it's kind'a
> neat
>> > to see them on the road.
>> >
>> > Rick Messenger
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
>> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:23 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Re:
>> >
>> >
>> >> At 09:55 PM 10/11/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> >What.........? Steve, you mean to tell me that you didn't like the AMC
>> >> >Pacer?  Why , that's a classic! LOL
>> >>
>> >> 1. That was designed and made here in the good ole US of A.
>> >> 2. It was RWD.
>> >>
>> >> But no, I didn't think of the Pacer and no, I never liked the looks of
>> >> them. However, I DID sorta like the exterior looks of the ole Matadors
> the
>> >> LA cops used to have. Those could be fairly quick, a guy I used to know
>> >> with a '69 Z28 got run down by one  ;o(((
>> >>
>> >> SteveH
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> 
> 
>

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