
oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 7 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5014



Re: hurst /olds 1969
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
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RE: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: hurst /olds 1969
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Testing ignition system? Help!
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: '67 Olds 98 hdtp
68 98 parts.
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: Testing ignition system? Help!
Re: '67 Olds 98 hdtp
Re: Testing ignition system? Help!
Re: '67 Olds 98 hdtp
Re: 1969 H/O f/s
RE: OAI Question
Re: Testing ignition system? Help!
Re: OAI
1985 442  for sale  38,000  orig  miles

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:53:33 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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In a message dated 9/6/04 7:39:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  Vvics442@aol.com 
writes:

No  Vinny. But has the original correct  "D" heads and intake manifold  
etc.etc


Not to try and be contrary, but I thought the 69 H/O with air conditioning  
got C heads from the factory.  Someone with more 69 H/O knowledge than me  care 
to add their take to this?
Thanks,
Steve D

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:32:08 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

Not as low as all the 71 and later engines, though.
Take for example this little chart of 1970 engines I took off 442.com and
abbreviated for space purposes:

8-350        2v   9:1
8-350        4v   10.25:1
8-350 (W31)  10.5:1
8-455        2v   10.25:1
8-455 Cutlas 4v   10.5:1
8-455 Vista  4v   10.5:1
8-455 442    4v   10.5:1
8-455 (W30)  4v 10.5:1

And the 71 engines, for reference...
350        2v   8.5:1
8-350        4v   8.5:1
8-455        2v   8.5:1
8-455        4v   8.5:1
8-455        4v   8.5:1
8-455 (W30)  4v  8.5:1

So there was an observed compression drop for everything in 1971, including
two-barrel versions.
And who knows about exports? I ain't never seen an Oldsmobile outside this
country :)
Chris

> Not exactly.  Olds made a lot of low compression big and small blocks in
the
> 1970 and earlier years.  Very common, usually with 2 barrel carbs, in
family
> cars, etc.  They also made lower compression versions of practically
> everything for export to countries that did not have high test fuel
> available.
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 11:55:03 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> > Any 70 or earlier engine DEFINITELY requires premium gas.
>
> ------------------

I agree that the earlier low compression engines were in the neighborhood of
9 to one, which is higher than the rated compression of  8 or 8.5 to one of
the '71 and up engines.  The point I was trying to get at is that the
earlier low compression engines will run just fine on lower grades of gas
from a knock resistance / octane standpoint (this, of course, assumes proper
engine temperature, ignition timing and carburetion).  You may well want a
lead substitute if running them under a sustained high load condition like
towing a trailer.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 09:13:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> Not exactly.  Olds made a lot of low compression big and small blocks in
the
> 1970 and earlier years.  Very common, usually with 2 barrel carbs, in
family
> cars, etc.  They also made lower compression versions of practically
> everything for export to countries that did not have high test fuel
> available.


Yup. That's why original '64-'67 2 barrel 330s are still alive and 4 barrel
330s are mostly dead. A 2 barrel 330 was 8.5 CR. A 4 barrel 330 was 10.25,
unless it was for export, then it too had 8.5 CR. The '64 442 330 had 10.5.
The 2 barrel 330 in both our '65 F-85 4-door and '65 Vista Cruiser are still
going strong, even with all the abuse the one in the '65 F-85 has had. I
switched the '65 F-85 over to an Edelbrock and AFB over a decade ago, and
the previous owner of the '65 Vista cruiser put a Q-jet and later 350 intake
on her 330. None of that matters, because the engines still have the
original 8.5 CR.

Now the engine in the '64 Cutlass was a 4 barrel, a 290 HP 330, which meant
she had 10.25 CR. That engine is badly crippled with something like 2-4
intake valves burnt to Hell-and-gone. When she runs, she spits back through
the carb, terribly. That 40 year-old engine simply couldn't survive the
quality of available gasoline octane over the past 30 years.

Also, the '66 425 engine core I have, that will get rebuilt someday and
probably go into the '65 Vista Cruiser, is originally a 2 barrel with 8.5
CR.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 12:56:47 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> And who knows about exports? I ain't never seen an Oldsmobile outside this
> country :)


This guy lives in Stockholm, Sweden.  His cars were featured in a version of
Hot Rod.

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=112

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=111

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:02:17 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

I saw 2 4 door Cutlasses in Quito Ecuador about 18 months ago.

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[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Pat Swanton
"swanny"
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:57 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long



> And who knows about exports? I ain't never seen an Oldsmobile outside this
> country :)


This guy lives in Stockholm, Sweden.  His cars were featured in a version of
Hot Rod.

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=112

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/album_pic.php?pic_id=111

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:45:45 EDT
From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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Steve all 69 H/O's came with D heads for 1969!!!   Cor D heads were what came 
on the 1968 models depending on the A/C option!!!     Vic

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 15:25:00 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

Guys, am I the only geezer on this list that remembers the Olds engines of
the '60s, especially the export engines? From the 1964 sales catalog and
both the '64 and '65 Olds shop manuals (Ron Fama, you must be rolling on the
floor in laughter at all the times I quote from the shop manual):    :-)))))

1964 Olds engines
size       color     carb     HP    CR
V6-225   blue     1-bbl    155   9.0
V6-225   blue     1-bbl    ?       8.3  export
V8-330   gold     2-bbl    230   8.75
V8-330   gold     2-bbl    ?       8.3 export
V8-330   gold     2-bbl    245   10.25
V8-330   gold     4-bbl    290   10.25
V8-330   gold     4-bbl    ?       8.3 export
V8-330   gold     4-bbl    310   10.5 =
442 and A-body Police Apprehender only

V8-394   green   2-bbl    260   8.75
V8-394   green   2-bbl    ?       8.3 export
V8-394   green   2-bbl    280   10.25
V8-394   red       4-bbl    330   10.25
V8-394   green   4-bbl    ?       8.3 export
V8-394   red       4-bbl    345   10.5

1965 Olds engines
size       color     carb     HP    CR
V6-225   blue     1-bbl    155   9.0
V6-225   blue     1-bbl    ?       7.6  export
V8-330   gold     2-bbl    230   9.0
V8-330   gold     2-bbl    ?       8.3 export
V8-330   gold     2-bbl    245   10.25
V8-330   gold     4-bbl    290   10.25
V8-330   gold     4-bbl    ?       8.3 export

V8-400   bronze 4-bbl    345   10.5 442

V8-425   red      2-bbl    300    9.0
V8-425   red      2-bbl    ?        8.3 export
V8-425   red      2-bbl    310    10.25
V8-425   red      4-bbl    360    10.25
V8-425   red      4-bbl    ?        8.3 export
V8-425   red      4-bbl    370    10.5

Why the '64 low-comp 2-bbl 330 is at 8.75 and the '65 equivalent is at 9.0,
I have no idea. That's just what the specs say. Same goes for the export V6
in '64 being at 8.3, but the same engine in '65 is at 7.6.

But I will say this exercise has jogged my memory and 9.0 in an Olds engine
is obviously fine for 87 octane fuel. 9.5 might be borderline.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:09:49 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

OK, here is the skinny on Racing fuel and unleaded fuel.    When racing fuel
is used with unleaded fuel, the octane goes up.  What this means is that 93
leaded gas with 93 unleaded gas would be turned into a 93.6 leaded gas.  I
have done research on fuels.  I run 11 to 1 compression.  I run 4 gallons of
Torco 110 to 16 gallons of Amoco 93.  This gives me about 96.9 octane.
There is no pinging, if you go higher than that, you are wasting your gas
and will actually slow down in the quarter mile.  Because higher the octane,
the slower the burn rate.   As for using leaded gas to save your valves.
Because of the additives in todays newer gasolines, you dont need to add
lead additivess.  If it gives you a piece of mind, then fine.  I have a
buddy that owns a machine shop and reworks heads.  His biggest customers are
pre 70 engines that run on 89 to 93 octane depending how they are built.
The damage isnt there.   I only run racing fuel because of my compression
ratio.  If  I build a 8.5 slug, I wont run additive.
For all  newer cars, you can buy Sunnoco or Union 76 100 octane unleaded
racing gas.  It is safe on O2 sensors and catalytic converter cars.
Trust me, I'm a doctor
regards
WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W30 race rocket
Drag racing since 1988

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From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
To: "OldsList" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 9:45 PM
Subject: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long


> I've been mixing leaded racing fuel (Phillips Min 110 Oct) with standard
93
> Oct premium at about 1 to 1 ratio to get a fuel delivering better
> performance for my W-31 and to add lead to prevent excessive valve wear.
The
> engine pinged with the 93  when I stepped on it. It runs much better on
the
> mixed fuel and I found no improvement with some of the "on the self"
octane
> boosters. Question is, is there enough lead in the leaded racing fuel at
> this mixture to not add any valve wear additive?  I believe it is, but
> others on the list should know better than me.  Also at 1 to 1 ratio
> performance was very good, but should I try to reduce it further?  Drove
to
> and from the OCA Nationals last week, about 1000 miles plus, about 14.5
mpg,
> a little less than the trip to Lansing a month ago, however, a lot of
70-80
> mph driving and sometimes more when passing trucks. Rear is a 3.42 rather
> than a 3.92, so the mpg seems about right.
>
> Didn't see Chris at the Nationals.  He must have drove in quick and snuck
> out Saturday morning. Hope his judging saga gets worked out OK, remember
no
> ones perfect.   Judging took all day Friday, it did seem like they spent
> 30-40 minutes on each car, which is OK with me, but it was slow.  I didn't
> get a good chance to look at other cars in other classes until Saturday. I
> got my two-cents worth in (to the judges) about radiator shrouds for
W-31's,
> but that's about all (Mine had a shroud ever since 1970, but not one
bolted
> in from the top). Appears some W 31's were made without shrouds.  It was
my
> first time being judged by OCA and I and many others thought I should have
> done better, but I did learn some pointers on little things that cost you
> points. However, I did get an award (2nd)and hope to do better next time.
>
> Those who did not make the banquet Saturday night missed some good
> entertainment by two good entertainers, one very beautiful young lady, but
> their awards presentation was all screwed-up with computer error after
> computer error. They finally finished by 10-10:30, and wanted to pass the
> hat for donations, because they were over budget and on overtime, which
did
> not go over very well with most of the 700+ guests.  My two sons (grown
men)
> went with me to the show, but left the banquet early, if that means
> anything.
>
> Nationals are in Seattle next year, Dallas next and in Bowling Green
> Kentucky in 2007. I'll make one, maybe two, with a car in the show,
Seattle
> is too far, if your still working.
>
> Dan Bodine
> 70 W-31 4-speed (Beginning 34 years of ownership)
> 71 442, runs, but next years project to upgrade
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 18:36:29 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Testing ignition system? Help!

Question for the wise members of the board.

Not *exactly* Olds related but I could use the help. I recently put a new
cam and upgraded heads in my 66 Buick Skylark with 300 motor. Seems to be
running fine, but the car *feels* like there is a miss when I get on the
throttle. Runs smooth as silk at idle. 

At any rate, vacuum is good so I don't think it's a vacuum leak. I want to
test the ignition system. I replaced the points/condenser with Accel, cap
and rotor are fairly new. Coil is undetermined age, as are plug wires.

I know that each plug is getting spark (pulled each wire individually). I'm
getting 10v at the coil, and resistance at the coil is 1.8ohms. 

I think the problem is somewhere with the primary lead wire to the coil, or
the coil itself.

Is there a good, methodical test to understand the right measurements across
the ignition system so I can make sure everything is fine?

I know some will suggest HEI or Pertronix, and those will come in time but I
want to get the existing setup working properly first.

Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 01:55:00 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

At 09:09 PM 9/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Trust me, I'm a doctor

That reminds me of what Laurence Zimmer said in Tom Clancy's "Executive
Orders":
"Why should I trust you? You're reporters!"

;o|

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:57:19 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

Mark, what octan rate would you suggets fo my 468ci, about 10:1 CR?
It does not ping, but I don't race it for the time and the advance is about
32-34 total...TIA
Matt
P.S. Interesting your explanation, I will file it in my archieves


>   I have a
> buddy that owns a machine shop and reworks heads.  His biggest customers
are
> pre 70 engines that run on 89 to 93 octane depending how they are built.
> The damage isnt there.   I only run racing fuel because of my compression
> ratio.  If  I build a 8.5 slug, I wont run additive.

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:23:16 EDT
From: WJone65300@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 Olds 98 hdtp

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Hi all. I rode my down to see the Olds last week. Bad tires, bad power brake 
booster, poor enamel repaint, so-so interior. Runs well, low miles on odometer 
(67K) seem to be correct judging pedal and drivers side pad and carpet wear. 
The guy wants 3K. Too Much for a car that isn't even road worthy. I had 
mentioned the '65 Starfire I went to have a look see at. The guy claimed it had a 
'69 455 in it. The engine was a gold color and didn't seem to have as much oomph 
as my old '64 Starfire with the 394-345 hp. What color was the '69 455 
engine. This Starfire is in much better shape than the '67 98 and I have the '67LS 
with a proper 425 to slide into it. I can probably get the Starfire for the 3K 
the other guy is asking for the 98. Thanks for your input. Will Jones='67 98LS

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:14:06 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: 68 98 parts.

Need both left and right side fender extensions as well as the chrome pot
metal insert that mounts into them and holds the directional lamps. Not as
concerned with the finish as long as there are no cracks or broken pieces.
They will be re-chromed or painted as needed. Just need solid parts to start
with. These are for a 1968 "98".

Also if anyone has any sheet metal or trim pieces for this car (formerly one
of Mr. Nastas 68 98 convertibles) please contact me off list. Finally have
some time to get fully into it and keep finding things I want / need.


Thanks,
Jack Kopf
jkopf@optonline.net

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:40:52 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture

"Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> wrote:

>Guys, am I the only geezer on this list that remembers the Olds engines of
>the '60s,...
>>>
Hello
Thanks for this WAY long thread,although no one ever includes us ancient 10:1 cr 371s :(....it has reminded my geezer ole brain of the times i ran the Bumobile(bu*ck430/72Cutlass)at the strip with 94 from pump and the 110 race gas,she ran her fastest, able to get more timing.
Why have i not applied this to the more recent 58 371(kicking myself in the arse)i must be getting old like other geezers round here?
I will run her tank almost dry and add the race gas at the track and advance timing a bit..i bet we see good times.
Thanks for bringing this up.
Randy(needs fire unner arse)H.
Maple Ditch B.C.
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1092465701489_0829_001.jpg 

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 23:46:11 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> When racing fuel
> is used with unleaded fuel, the octane goes up.  What this means is that
93
> leaded gas with 93 unleaded gas would be turned into a 93.6 leaded gas.


??????


> I run 11 to 1 compression.  I run 4 gallons of
> Torco 110 to 16 gallons of Amoco 93.  This gives me about 96.9 octane.


4 x 110 octane = 440
16 x 93 octane = 1488
440 + 1488 = 1928
1928 divided by 20 = 96.4 octane

In Tucson, the best premium we have at the pump is 91 octane. So, with
Thunder's 11 to 1 CR, I do this with 5 gallons of Trick Racing Gas leaded
114 (RON) octane-110 (R+M/2) octane:

5 x 110 octane = 550
15 x 91 octane = 1365
550 + 1365 = 1915
1935 divided by 20 = 95.75 octane

There's more than one way to get the same objective.

When we still had leaded premium at 93 octane, Thunder could get by on 32
degrees total advance with no preignition, due to her completely flat top
pistons, lack of quench, and very open combustion chamber. When we lost all
leaded gas in Arizona around 1984, I had to go the racing fuel mixing route.
With 95.75 nominal octane, she can run her usual 36 degrees total advance
without problem.


> There is no pinging, if you go higher than that, you are wasting your gas
> and will actually slow down in the quarter mile.  Because higher the
octane,
> the slower the burn rate.


Except that if one wishes to bump the timing up, more octane will be needed.
I've run as high as 52 degrees total advance, which having only 11 to 1 CR
can allow. At 12 or 13, that would be dangerous. At 52, I want the full
benefit of 110 octane to stop preignition cold. With 52 degrees total
advance, interesting things can happen at the rear tires.


> As for using leaded gas to save your valves.
> Because of the additives in todays newer gasolines, you dont need to add
> lead additivess.  If it gives you a piece of mind, then fine.


I would never risk it. There's way to much money tied up in her. If I ever
lost those Air Flow Research heads, how would they ever be replaced? They ca
n't be, for no one seems to know what AFR knew about an Olds. I know. I've
asked.


> I have a
> buddy that owns a machine shop and reworks heads.  His biggest customers
are
> pre 70 engines that run on 89 to 93 octane depending how they are built.
> The damage isnt there.   I only run racing fuel because of my compression
> ratio.  If  I build a 8.5 slug, I wont run additive.


That's fine, but I've got a stock '64 290 HP 4-bbl 330 in our '64 Cutlass
that has 2-4 intake valves burned. I also have a stock '77 Dodge van with a
318 that has lost most of the exhaust valves on the left bank. I had a '76
Chevy Impala with a 350 that lost 3 intake valves at the 145,000 mile mark.
That Impala went to the salvage yard. There's no way in Hell I'll risk the
valves on any other engine without hardened valve seat inserts and stainless
steel valves by not running a lead substitute in her. Thunder has all
stainless steel valves, but her valve seats are the plain cast iron of her
heads. She will always get a diet of leaded racing gas. The '65 F-85 and the
'65 Vista Cruiser will get a bottle of Gunk Lead Substitute with each full
tank of gas, until their engines are replaced with updated ones with all
stainless steel valves and hardened valve seat inserts.


> For all  newer cars, you can buy Sunnoco or Union 76 100 octane unleaded
> racing gas.  It is safe on O2 sensors and catalytic converter cars.


Or buy Trick Racing Gas http://www.trickgas.com/ unleaded at 101 (R+M/2)


> Trust me, I'm a doctor


That could be a wrong choice of words.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com
Drag racing since 1962, with a little circle burning and road snaking thrown
in for good measure (Ken will like that).

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:19:40 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Testing ignition system? Help!

> Coil is undetermined age, as are plug wires.
>
> Is there a good, methodical test to understand the right measurements
across
> the ignition system so I can make sure everything is fine?


If you suspect a spark plug wire to be open causing poor performance, check
the resistance of each wire. By checking the resistance of each wire you
will determine two things: there is continuity (not open) and if there is
too much resistance in the wire. Use an Ohm meter and connect the terminals
to both spark plug wire terminals. Use care to make sure there is good
contact or the readings will be inaccurate. Measure the resistance of each
wire. Remember to divide the length of the wire by 12 to get a "per foot"
measurement. If one wire is out of that average spec, it is at fault.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:29:59 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: '67 Olds 98 hdtp

> I had
> mentioned the '65 Starfire I went to have a look see at. The guy claimed
it had a
> '69 455 in it. The engine was a gold color and didn't seem to have as much
oomph
> as my old '64 Starfire with the 394-345 hp. What color was the '69 455
> engine.


Red!
Gold means a 330 or 350 engine.
Be very careful. A 350 would bolt right into that Starfire without any
problem.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:35:17 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Testing ignition system? Help!

At Tuesday, 7 September 2004, you wrote:
>Remember to divide the length of the wire by 12 to get 
>a "per foot" measurement. If one wire is out of that 
>average spec, it is at fault.

Ummm.... to clarify... divide the measured resistance of the wire 
in ohms by the length of the wire in inches, then multiply by 12 
to get the "per foot" measurement. Some of the wires may be as short 
as 17", some as long as 36"; their individual lengths must be measured.
It's easier to work with 17" than to first convert that to feet.


For example: a wire measures 28" long, and the ohmmeter shows 14,
000 ohms. 14000 ohms/28" = 500 ohms/inch, times 12 in/foot gives 
6000 ohms per foot.

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 08:35:43 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: '67 Olds 98 hdtp

At Tuesday, 7 September 2004, you wrote:

>>I had mentioned the '65 Starfire I went to have a look 
>>see at. The guy claimed it had a '69 455 in it. The 
>>engine was a gold color and didn't seem to have as much
>>oomph as my old '64 Starfire with the 394-345 hp. What 
>>color was the '69 455 engine.
>
>Red!
>Gold means a 330 or 350 engine.
>Be very careful. A 350 would bolt right into that Starfire 
>without any problem.

DON'T go by the color; go by the number cast into the shelf located 
above and behind the water pump; see here:
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/Tech/Block_ID.jpg

Those casting numbers are UNIQUE and will be very hard to fake. All 
you really need to memorize are the letter/number that follow the 
6-digit number combination. Notice that big blocks always have a 
letter, whereas small blocks always have a number and sometimes a 
letter following that, such as 4A or 4B for a 403. Late model 307s 
are another odd exception in that some say 5L for 5.0 liters.

If you have any doubt whatsoever, go to the Olds FAQ here:
http://oldsjunction.classicoldsmobile.com/oldsfaq/ofblk.htm#Big%20Block%20Blocks%201965%20-
%201976

or, on one line, http://tinyurl.com/6tj4a

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:00:26 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1969 H/O f/s

From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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[is it "numbers matching"?]
No Vinny. But has the original correct  "D" heads and intake manifold
etc.etc.
=================
Let's clarify the "etc. etc." a bit
Might be less vague than "numbers matching" to just ask

"Exactly what-all is missing, has been replaced, or is no longer absolutely 
original to the car?"

I am no '69 H/O expert, but, off the top of my head...

The body, frame, engine block and Trans should have the VIN stamp all in 
agrrement. Paint code on body plate should be for the H/O. Trans should have 
the correct application code tag, and the corresponding correct parts inside 
[governor, etc.]. Wheels are for that year and model only, I believe, and 
the air cleaner too. Isn't that one of the rare models that use that stubby 
console and the Dual-Gate shiofter? Major points off otherwise.

Other things that have numbers, even if only a casting date:
Final drive [differential]- what's the ratio, supplier [Type O, or SOB*?; 
Surely has "posi"?]
Carburetor
distributor
intake manifold- original or replicate?
Fuel pump
coolant pump
exhaust manifolds
Radiator

   Commonly mangled or replaced items that may or may not be H/O specific,
   or match OEM parts:
Driveshaft
Motor mounts
Fan shroud
Trans cooler lines
Fuel lines
Brakes
Lug nuts
shocks
suspension springs
Steering links, tie rods, ball joints, etc.
Fuel tank
Various fasteners such as the motor mount thru-bolt and its special nut.

The more of these that have never been touched, the better, of course.
Belts, hoses, and spark plug wires can be bought new.

*SOB = Some Other Brand
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 09:26:16 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: OAI Question

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382
  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe [mailto:w30442@zoominternet.net] 
> Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 4:10 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: OAI Question
> 
> I have a question about the 71 OAI lid. On the part with the 
> flap door, are the OLDSMOBILE letters the same color as the 
> lid (black) or should they be outlined in white?
> Thanks
> Joe 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 10:41:55 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Testing ignition system? Help!

YOu can check the spark just looking at it. Must be blue and long for an
inch. 1000v make 1mm of spark in normal air. 25000V - 1 inch.
Orange - redish spark suggest bad coil.
You can look at the engine in the night, idleing, to deteck some lost sparks
between the wires or from a wire to the chassis, but this is not an exact
science.. it worked a couple of times for me.
HIH
Matt
81CS

>
> > Coil is undetermined age, as are plug wires.
> >
> > Is there a good, methodical test to understand the right measurements
> across
> > the ignition system so I can make sure everything is fine?
>
>

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Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 9:43:46 -0500
From: ilo@kwom.com
Subject: Re: OAI

Someone was asking about the lid on a OAI system and if
the letters "Oldsmobile" were outline with white or just left
black.
I believe they were left black and no decals were used either.

James
70 442 
74 98
68GTO

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Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 14:06:45 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: 1985 442  for sale  38,000  orig  miles

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Hey everyone,

my  buddy has a  real nice 442  for sale,   

Gray and silver,  T-Tops    90% original paint, rims   interior is nice


Email me privately  hurstoldz@aol.com  

Thanks


Vinny

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