
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 6 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5047



Wear patterns on tires
Ratio denotation
Good luck! We'll miss you!
Re: Wear patterns on tires
backfire with "new" MSD ignition
Last resort not necessary for OCA corrections
Re: door edge guard
Re: Wear patterns on tires
Ratio denotation
Re: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru
Re: backfire with "new" MSD ignition - more info
RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru
Re: Wear patterns on tires
69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
RE: Back From the West Coast
Re: backfire with "new" MSD ignition - more info
RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru
Good Olds sunday
RE: Wear patterns on tires
Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Re: backfire with "new" MSD ignition - more info
Re: Good Olds sunday

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 09:40:08 -0500 
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: Wear patterns on tires

Gents,

I am having a tire wear problem on my 69 442
Problem background:
Completely rebuilt the front end (sans new springs -ride height was within
spec) right before the alignment.
BF Goodrich Radial T/A's have about 2,000 miles on them (one was replaced
due to internal belt breakage)
Been about 1K since alignment. Haven't hit anything that I know of since ;)

The front pass tire is wearing into a "saw tooth" pattern around the outside
edge. Each individual tread block is raised along the front edge then slopes
backwards towards the trailing tread block. This makes a wear pattern that
looks like a saw blade where each saw tooth is a tread block. 

Any Ideas as to what could be causing this? The car tracks well but does
seem "loose" when hitting bumps and such.

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690



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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:51:00 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ratio denotation

Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:52:50 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67-70 Olds type O Rearend Facts (Long)

- --snip--
#673 = 2:56 & 2:78 ratios, 28 spline
#671 = 3:08 & 3:23 ratios,  28 spline
#588 = 3:42 & anything numerically higher, 28 spline

And the oddball:
#672 = 3:42 & anything numerically higher, 31  spline
***The 31 spline axles were offered in late 67-68 OAI cars only.
=================
OK, that's beautiful information, finally set forth so that it's easy to 
grasp.

Added the part that was not there into the PN files for easy reference 
later.

One MINOR detail that bugs me as a Language Nitpicker....
Ratios use the colon ":" between one part of the ratio and the other.
The above text incorrectly uses the colon where a decimal place should be.

That is, the ratio of a gearset with 39 and 10 teeth is of course 39:10 [or 
10:39]
We generally divide both sides by the lower number, to reveal the ratio or 
turn count per ONE turn of the other shaft. Thus 39:10 becomes
39 10
- --:--    = 3.90:1.00, or 3.90 to 1, or "Three Ninety" for short.
10 10

Similarly, the "2.56" ratio I found means that 2.5625 turns of the input 
shaft are required to attain one turn of the output shaft. To write "2:56" 
[with the colon instead of the decimal point] literally says "Two turns of 
one shaft to 56 turns of the other". Of course, we humans readily read thru 
that technical language inaccuracy and see that the writer meant that the 
ratio was 2.56 to 1.

Just a small detail that we should all strive to put forth correctly.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:54:54 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Good luck! We'll miss you!

From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 5:50 AM
Subject: The General signing off


>Hey list,
>
>         All good things must come to an end ........
>It has been an honor and a privilege to chat with
>you wonderful guys over the years. Things have
>changed in my life. Some of you know the details.
>Some know more than others. The end result is
>that cars and parts will be part off my past. If they will
>be in the future, one never knows. But I hope to God
>that they will. I still have some parts left over.
>
>455s - TH400 and TH300 - conoles and shifters.
>I am in Philadelphia, PA.
>
>         I will be unsubscribing just after this is sent, so
>please reply to me privately.
>The General       patton442@verizon.net
===================
Well, dunno the details, but I do know that your presence has been a real 
asset to the list and the Olds hobby in general - ha ha ha ha In GENERAL! As 
in Patton, ah, never mind.

Anyhow, thanks for the plating assistance, hope things go smoothly for you 
in your new endeavors.

CBWitt
517-449-0432

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 10:51:16 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires

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When's the last time you had ALL the tires balanced?
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 10:58:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: backfire with "new" MSD ignition

Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:55:46 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: backfire with "new" MSD ignition

Folks,

I finally have the GM HD racing (MSD 6 HVC equivalent) ignition box
hooked up and working, more or less. The car starts and idles nicely,
but tends to miss a bit and often backfires when you step on the gas.
This is certainly not an improvement over the way it was running
before on the straight HEI system.

Are there any obvious culprits I should be looking at (other than the
installer)? Any other info I can provide that might be helpful?

John
68 442 convt.
=====================
I recently had a bad HEI
Not a lot to go wrong in an HEI
Turned out to be the wires to the pickup coil were broken from flexing when 
the vac advance worked its voodoo.

Hard to spot
Intermittent flaw in operation. Work, not work, work, not work, WTH?

Tug at the wire pulled it totally loose

If you are using HEI type pickup, inductive unit, that could be the culprit.

CBWitt

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:22:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Last resort not necessary for OCA corrections

Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 12:57:10 -0400
From: "Daniel Burk" <dan@ws6transam.org>
Subject: RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

Chris wrote:

>Also negates the need to resort to the Nuclear Bomb that I had planned.

>From the sounds of it, if anyone would have surplus fissionable materials
(purachased at dirt-cheap prices, and squirreled away in the trunk of some
Olds parts car stored in the middle of a Michigan field) it's probably you!
Glad it's working out for you,
- - --Dan Burk
=====================
It is ASTONISHING what MSU and the National Superconducting Cyclotron 
dispose of at MSU Salvage... NOS Olds 330 engines, NOS 3.08 open diff... 
Heart Defibrillator, Scanning Electron Microscope [I kid you not] etc. etc. 
etc.
CBWitt

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 11:13:28 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: door edge guard

John,

On my Cutlass, I have been able to put on the fender script by removing a lower
fender bolt, a, gently pulling the fender away from the body.  Mark the bolt
head around the fender so you don't have to guess where is was originally
aligned, also be alrt for any shims under the bolt so they can be reinstalled.
While your hand is behind the fender, stick apiece of wood between the fender
and the body to prevent the "bear trap" effect.

Steve K.


Hi All
     I am back in my 76 toro finally. It is not quite done but it is
very close.
    I am looking for one small part. I have had no luck anywhere. I need
the left door edge guard. I apparantly lost it somewhere during the
resto project. I have everything else. A small item I know but I want it
to complete the project. Anyone?
    While I have your attention I have two new toronado nameplates for
the fenders. Keep in mind I didn't take these off so I don't know how
they were removed. There is room for a hand to reinstall the left side
with the drivers door wide open. The passenger side has what I guess is
the heater/AC housing and even with the door wide open I see no space to
get the nuts on the back of this thing. Any hints or suggestions
appreciated.
thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio
an

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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 11:36:19 -0500
From: Bob Edwards <bedwards@uark.edu>
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires

Pat,

I would bank on bad shocks. You can check the shocks from underneath the 
car for leakage of oil.  Also check where the shock is mounted at both the 
top and the bottom. I'm fairly certain that it is either a bad shock, or 
where it is mounted at the top or bottom is loose.

Respectfully,

Bob Edwards
89 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 16:09:21 EDT
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Ratio denotation

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#673 = 2:56 & 2:78 ratios, 28 spline
#671 = 3:08 & 3:23 ratios,  28 spline
#588 = 3:42 & anything numerically higher, 28 spline

And the oddball:
#672 = 3:42 & anything numerically higher, 31  spline
***The 31 spline axles were offered in late 67-68 OAI cars only.

Does anyone have this information for the 71-72 10 bolt cover posi units, or 
where might the info be located?

Thanks,
James

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:37:46 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

Chris, what award did you get.  3rd place for having many oldsmobiles lying
around and home to many bees and wasps.    LOL   :)
regards WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W30 race rocket
www.streetrockets.com

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru


> Bob is THE MAN
>
> here's an excerpt from his reply to the Last Blast:
> +++++++++++++++++++
> Conclusion:
> I would call this a "comedy of errors" if it weren't for the fact that the
> owner sees nothing funny about it.
>
> Resolution:
> Your judging sheet is indeed available as this is common practice in the
OCA
> judging criteria (they are saved for one year whether they are felt to be
> bogus or not).
>
> Your award is available and will be forwarded to you if you wish it.
> =====================
>
>
> I had to apologize to him of course for sending back [before READING his
> reply] a doubtful comment.
>
> Man, it's good to see them resolve the problems they caused w/o being
forced
> to in court.
>
> Also negates the need to resort to the Nuclear Bomb that I had planned.
>
> CBWitt
> 517-449-0432
>
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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 19:45:23 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: backfire with "new" MSD ignition - more info

Looks like timing was the real culprit causing the backfires and 
missing. I didn't realize I needed to reset it even though the 
distributor hadn't been moved. I thought the super fast idle was due 
to a loose bit of the throttle cable I'd reattached. Once I threw a 
timing light on it, I found the poor thing had about 40+ degrees of 
advance. I was probably lucky it ran at all! It's not right on target 
still, as I set it when it was still idling a bit high. Still, it 
sure ran a ton better and I could get deep into the gas with no 
problems.

Am I aiming for about 14 degrees of advance? I think it's pretty much 
a stock, sedan 455, although it does need premium to not knock, so I 
suspect it's not a complete, low-compression boat anchor.

I've got new Taylor wires on it and have ordered the Blaster coil. 
Any recommendations on plugs and gaps?

To answer Milton's question: It's got an Edlebrock Carter clone carb, 
not a Holley.

John
68 442 convt.

>John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net> wrote:
>
>I
>>don't think I did anything that would've thrown the timing off, and
>>the vacuum lines all seem secure.
>>
>>
>Hi John
>My first recent experience with a MSD install was the timing was 
>advanced after the install alot and had to be retarded back to where 
>the timing should be(but did not back fire).
>Does the back fire happen at the lower rpm scale when msd is 
>multiple spark(approx. up too 2000rpm) for 20 degrees of crank 
>rotation.
>Did you check timing after install at all?
>Does the engine ping upon acceleration?
>Also as Steven H. suggested to me,,dont run any wires like coil and 
>spark plug,power leads parallel too the leads from the box.
>As per your last question,,a bigger COIL...dont fergit too upgrade 
>wires is needed.
>I am guessin Ken will help you with this more then i.
>Good Luck!
>Randy H.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2004 20:12:24 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

>From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
>To: "'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>CC: "'rocketscience442@hotmail.com'" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>Subject: RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru
>Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 10:28:18 -0400
>
>I am sure a thorough review of the judging sheet (and all of it's
>inaccuracies ;-) when you receive it, can be expected in a future email,
>right Chris?
>
>Tom Bejma
>Harrison Twp., MI
====================
How could folks with that level of competency possibly have innacuracies in 
judging? That just does not seem possible. I will be glad to share how the 
experience unfolds. So far we stand at 1) I guess, grudgingly, you were 
right, we screwed up, and so we oughta send you what you paid so dearly for; 
2) Your stuff is in the mail, Real Soon Now, and 3) KMA if you want an 
apology, you're damn lucky to get anything out of unpaid volunteers. That's 
the gist of it.
CBW


>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christopher Witt [mailto:rocketscience442@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 10:11 AM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru
> >
> >
> > Bob is THE MAN
> >
> > here's an excerpt from his reply to the Last Blast:
> > +++++++++++++++++++
> > Conclusion:
> > I would call this a "comedy of errors" if it weren't for the
> > fact that the
> > owner sees nothing funny about it.
> >
> > Resolution:
> > Your judging sheet is indeed available as this is common
> > practice in the OCA
> > judging criteria (they are saved for one year whether they
> > are felt to be
> > bogus or not).
> >
> > Your award is available and will be forwarded to you if you wish it.
> > =====================
> >
> >
> > I had to apologize to him of course for sending back [before
> > READING his
> > reply] a doubtful comment.
> >
> > Man, it's good to see them resolve the problems they caused
> > w/o being forced
> > to in court.
> >
> > Also negates the need to resort to the Nuclear Bomb that I
> > had planned.
> >
> > CBWitt
> > 517-449-0432
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> > advice on how to
> > get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement
> >

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 17:23:16 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires

Pat,

Did you check out the items suggested to you when you posted this a week
ago? If so, what was the outcome?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

> I am having a tire wear problem on my 69 442
> Problem background:
> Completely rebuilt the front end (sans new springs -ride height was within
> spec) right before the alignment.
> BF Goodrich Radial T/A's have about 2,000 miles on them (one was replaced
> due to internal belt breakage)
> Been about 1K since alignment. Haven't hit anything that I know of since
;)
>
> The front pass tire is wearing into a "saw tooth" pattern around the
outside
> edge. Each individual tread block is raised along the front edge then
slopes
> backwards towards the trailing tread block. This makes a wear pattern that
> looks like a saw blade where each saw tooth is a tread block.
>
> Any Ideas as to what could be causing this? The car tracks well but does
> seem "loose" when hitting bumps and such.
>
> Pat Clark
> IGNITION INC.
> P 972-516-8700
> F 972-516-8690

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Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:15:59 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

Saw this on Evilbay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15287&item=2492442353&rd=1
Real 69 Hurst Olds or a wanabee? Any list members know the car or owner?

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:29:49 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

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It was certified by the H/OCA as being a real one. But it needs some SERIOUS 
restoration. The correct air cleaner is impossible to come by. And it needs 
wheels... it just needs about everything.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 21:38:08 EDT
From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

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not really!   but thanks!!

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 18:44:03 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: RE: Back From the West Coast

Next time you're out this way, drop me a line. I'm just over in Kirkland, on
your way to Eastern Washington. Would have loved to have you see the '65 442
I'm almost finished with! I have a 66 Skylark you could have checked out, if
you like Buicks.

Albert Penello
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Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 18:13:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Back From the West Coast

Just wanted to let the list know that I'm back from my trip to Washington
state and admin services will now be available again. 

Spent a couple of days in Seattle - great city - and a while in the desert
of Eastern Washington. What an amazing drive it is from the big trees and
mountains around the west coast over the Cascades and into the desert
hills out east. Just spectacular. The only interesting Olds I saw was a
'63 Cutlass convertible on a car carrier in Kirkland. The was a
fascinating junkyard I saw from I-82 west of Richland that was full of
'50s Buicks, so there could have been some old Oldses in there, but I
didn't have an opportunity to stop.  

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:24:51 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: backfire with "new" MSD ignition - more info

John/List,

Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner -- last week I was readying myself for 
my ANG weekend, and this week I'm getting ready for the NASCAR Busch/Nextel 
Cup races here in town (look closely at the on-track clean-up staff, if we're on 
TV you might see me) which has meant little 'puter time.

For the most part, everyone has given you the advice I would have.  I would 
also make sure you connected the green and violet wires at the pickup correctly 
- -- the green wire on the pickup in the distributor _doesn't_ connect to the 
green wire of the harness.

Is the Blaster coil you're getting one that fits in the cap?  They sell a 
higher-output coil for HEIs that does fit.  If not, you'll need the adapter coil 
cover for the HEI that MSD sells to get the coil output back to the 
distributor rotor.

I would definitely re-route the wires from the distributor's pickup through 
the hole now vacant from the old HEI harness.

Other than that, sounds like you're getting things sorted out just fine!

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 03:19:32 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: OCA Dispute- Settled out of court- Bob Casey comes thru

At 08:12 PM 10/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>How could folks with that level of competency possibly have 
>innacuracies in judging? That just does not seem possible.

It's really very simple, and you even alluded to it in an earlier e-mail
where you said you would have been happy, yourself, to have helped judge
several years with which you're familiar. OCA judges are VOLUNTEERS: they
are recruited from the general membership and those who can be at any
particular show. Thus, their expertise, familiarity with any particular
vehicle, and competency can vary widely. In his e-mail, Mr. Casey, himself,
said he was running around trying to line up the judges early that morning.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:57:17 -0400
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@connect-one.com>
Subject: Good Olds sunday

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Sunday I got around to pulling my rusty, neglected `67 Cutlass out of the 
weeds.  I cut down the blackberry vines growing through the grille, chained 
it to the tractor and pulled it up next to the garage.

I looked things over a bit, blew the crud off it with an air hose, and 
changed a flat tire.  It's got a few snake skins and mouse droppings in 
it.  The interior was shot when I parked it so I'm hoping not too much 
damage was done.  Brakes are dry.  Would have been nice if they worked just 
a little bit.  One less step in getting it moving enough to pull it in and 
out the garage. :P  I found a bunch of cool parts in the trunk.  Some of it 
I remember stashing in there, some of it I don't. :)  There must be 200lb 
of extra intake manifolds in the trunk.  No wonder it sits so low in the 
back. :)

I then turned my attention to a 455 sitting on the floor in the garage.  I 
bought it out of a running car  a few years ago.  All I did when I got it 
home was squirt oil in the cylinders and plug up the carburetor and other 
holes.

I rolled the 455 out from next to the wall and picked up some of the junk 
it collected over the years.  It's covered in paint and polish from an 
overloaded cabinet falling off the wall a couple years ago. :)

I pulled all the plugs,squirted oil in the cylinders, and tried a ratchet 
on the balancer bolt.  Spun right around, just like it had been running 
last week.  :D  I didn't think it would lock up from sitting 3 years, but 
it had been there longer than I originally planned.  There's a Caprice 
lying around here with a TH350 in it.  It will soon be pushed onto it's 
side. :)  Tractors rule.

I'm hoping to have the 455 and Th350 in the `67 in the next couple of 
weeks. Just to have it moving under it's own power.  Then I'm gonna bust 
the rust off and get it in primer, hopefully before cold weather.

Plans for a rebuild and a 2004R are in the works...slowly. :)

I'll quit rambling....Was just nice to pull the old junker out the weeds.  :)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser	80 Cutlass Calais		82 Buick Riviera
67 Cutlass Supreme	87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door	Roanoke, VA

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 01:16:04 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: Wear patterns on tires

"Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com> wrote:

>Gents,
>
>I am having a tire wear problem on my 69 442
>Problem background:
(one was replaced
>due to internal belt breakage)
>>>>
Hello
You already had one malfuctioning tire,,could the other be junk from the factory also?
Recent talk at the dragstrip is always buy 2 slicks or tubes at the same time from same place so as the batch of rubber is the same making inflation and wear the same.
I have also had recent exp. this past summer with wierdo tire problems on my daily driver van.
Like i said before i dont trust the tire manufactures no more.
Good luck!
Randy H.


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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:40:30 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 9:33:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
Jon442@aol.com writes:

It was  certified by the H/OCA as being a real one. But it needs some SERIOUS 
 restoration. The correct air cleaner is impossible to come by. And it needs  
wheels... it just needs about everything


Jon
 
Is this Dr Warren Vic's car?
 
If so   I was told that he is NOT Including the air cleaner with  the car,  
again  so I was told.
 
I also believe the 455 is non #'s matching, but correct.
 
Vinny
68 H/O  #511
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 01:42:11 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

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In a message dated 10/5/2004 9:41:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
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not really!   but thanks!! 


Oh'  I should have read the next email,   It IS   Dr. Vics  car!
 
Yo   Vic,    DOES the air cleaner come with the  car????    Curious minds 
want to know!
 
Vinny
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:53:36 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: backfire with "new" MSD ignition - more info

Thanks, Ken. Good to hear you're busy!

I ordered a new rotor, cap, and dust cover from Jegs. I'm hoping 
their dust cover is the same as the MSD dust cover that replaces the 
in-cap coil. If it ain't, I'll order the MSD job. I also ordered the 
MSD extension cable for the pick up. It's got grounded shielding, 
which should make it easier to run the leads wherever.

I did watch the polarity of the pick up wires and believe I've got 
those correct.

Incidentally, Summit sells the MSD 6600, which I think is the same as 
the GM HD box, for $350!

John
68 442 convt.


>John/List,
>
>Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner -- last week I was readying myself for
>my ANG weekend, and this week I'm getting ready for the NASCAR Busch/Nextel
>Cup races here in town (look closely at the on-track clean-up staff, 
>if we're on
>TV you might see me) which has meant little 'puter time.
>
>For the most part, everyone has given you the advice I would have.  I would
>also make sure you connected the green and violet wires at the 
>pickup correctly
>-- the green wire on the pickup in the distributor _doesn't_ connect to the
>green wire of the harness.
>
>Is the Blaster coil you're getting one that fits in the cap?  They sell a
>higher-output coil for HEIs that does fit.  If not, you'll need the 
>adapter coil
>cover for the HEI that MSD sells to get the coil output back to the
>distributor rotor.
>
>I would definitely re-route the wires from the distributor's pickup through
>the hole now vacant from the old HEI harness.
>
>Other than that, sounds like you're getting things sorted out just fine!
>
>Take Care,
>SrA Ken Snyder
>Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:14:38 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Good Olds sunday

sounds like me and my car.
one note the caprice th350 is a Chevy bolt pattern it wont bolt to olds bell housing.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Pruett" <gregp@connect-one.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 12:57 AM
Subject: Good Olds sunday


> Sunday I got around to pulling my rusty, neglected `67 Cutlass out of the 
> weeds.  I cut down the blackberry vines growing through the grille, chained 
> it to the tractor and pulled it up next to the garage.
> 
> I looked things over a bit, blew the crud off it with an air hose, and 
> changed a flat tire.  It's got a few snake skins and mouse droppings in 
> it.  The interior was shot when I parked it so I'm hoping not too much 
> damage was done.  Brakes are dry.  Would have been nice if they worked just 
> a little bit.  One less step in getting it moving enough to pull it in and 
> out the garage. :P  I found a bunch of cool parts in the trunk.  Some of it 
> I remember stashing in there, some of it I don't. :)  There must be 200lb 
> of extra intake manifolds in the trunk.  No wonder it sits so low in the 
> back. :)
> 
> I then turned my attention to a 455 sitting on the floor in the garage.  I 
> bought it out of a running car  a few years ago.  All I did when I got it 
> home was squirt oil in the cylinders and plug up the carburetor and other 
> holes.
> 
> I rolled the 455 out from next to the wall and picked up some of the junk 
> it collected over the years.  It's covered in paint and polish from an 
> overloaded cabinet falling off the wall a couple years ago. :)
> 
> I pulled all the plugs,squirted oil in the cylinders, and tried a ratchet 
> on the balancer bolt.  Spun right around, just like it had been running 
> last week.  :D  I didn't think it would lock up from sitting 3 years, but 
> it had been there longer than I originally planned.  There's a Caprice 
> lying around here with a TH350 in it.  It will soon be pushed onto it's 
> side. :)  Tractors rule.
> 
> I'm hoping to have the 455 and Th350 in the `67 in the next couple of 
> weeks. Just to have it moving under it's own power.  Then I'm gonna bust 
> the rust off and get it in primer, hopefully before cold weather.
> 
> Plans for a rebuild and a 2004R are in the works...slowly. :)
> 
> I'll quit rambling....Was just nice to pull the old junker out the weeds.  :)
> 
> Greg Pruett
> 72 Vista Cruiser 80 Cutlass Calais 82 Buick Riviera
> 67 Cutlass Supreme 87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door Roanoke, VA
>

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