
oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 14 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5021



Re: Heater control valve again.
Tanson Ent. Sacramento, CA
Heater control valve again.
Re: Heater control valve again.
RE: Heater control valve again.
Painless Wiring Harnesses
Re: Heater control valve again.
RE: Heater control valve again.
(Slightly OT) Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
Re: (Slightly OT) Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
Craftsman E-Sale....
RE: Craftsman E-Sale....
Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
Re: Attention Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kansas.  Zone show at Cavanaugh Flight Museum
Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again
RE: Craftsman E-Sale....

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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:25:40 -0400
From: jp <limitedattention@mac.com>
Subject: Re: Heater control valve again.

Hey Bruce...

I've been following this thread as I am doing some modifications to 
my '72 Cutlass.

Do you know the approximate year (years) of the Buick and Cadillacs?

Thanks,

jp



>It was probably a Buick, or Cadillac Seville with Olds 350.
>
>Bruce
>
>13 Sep 2004 "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com> writes:
>
>>  Do you remember what kind of vehicle you got the valve off of? Olds
>>  has two different size heater hoses (5/8 and 3/4 for my car), and it
>>  would be nice to know what vehicles have the same hose sizes and
>>  therefore the correct size heater fittings.
>>
>>  Kenneth

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 00:06:23 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Tanson Ent. Sacramento, CA

Hello
I rebuilt the vac. wiper motor 3 times with no luck...its done son!
I thought i would check with some local Cal. peoples(or Olds peoples) before i sent $180.00 US...Has anyone used this company??
http://www.forwhatyouneed.com/tansonp1.html
http://www.forwhatyouneed.com/
I really need there elec. wiper motor as the bracket season has 2-3 more races and it seems to rain at the worst of times traveling to the dragstrip :O
Makes it sorta tough (and illegal)to see.
Randy(runnin outa luck) H.
Maple Ridge B.C.

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 01:04:14 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Heater control valve again.

Likely late 70s, since I don't look at much newer.  Bruce

13 Sep 2004  jp <limitedattention@mac.com> writes:
> Hey Bruce...
> 
> I've been following this thread as I am doing some modifications
> to my '72 Cutlass.
> 
> Do you know the approximate year (years) of the Buick and Cadillacs?

> jp

> >It was probably a Buick, or Cadillac Seville with Olds 350.
> >
> >Bruce

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:28:08 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Heater control valve again.

> > I also converted to an in line valve,

Delco # 15-5101 -  in line, 5/8" inlet and outlet, vacuum closes

Delco # 15-5106 - in line, 5/8" inlet and outlet, vacuum opens

These are the standard GM design.  Most of my cars end up with one if the OE
valve fails.  The in line type are far easier to replace than the stock Olds
valve (which often looks like it was installed before the engine was in the
car and all of the other external stuff was on the engine) on most cars.
Also easy to bypass if you have a failure on the road.  Just make sure you
consult your shop manual or examine your existing valve to make sure you
know how it functions.  Some years and models take a vacuum opens type, some
a vacuum closes.  I have seen lots of "no heat" or "won't cool" complaints
due to an incorrect replacement valve.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 09:06:17 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Heater control valve again.

Thanks fred.  This shoud be in a FAQ.  I hate to do this to my car
because it is very original under the hood, but I can't live with a
major failure just waiting to happen every time I drive the car.  

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382
  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frederick Nissen [mailto:fsnissen@worldnet.att.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:28 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Heater control valve again.
> 
> > > I also converted to an in line valve,
> 
> Delco # 15-5101 -  in line, 5/8" inlet and outlet, vacuum closes
> 
> Delco # 15-5106 - in line, 5/8" inlet and outlet, vacuum opens
> 
> These are the standard GM design.  Most of my cars end up 
> with one if the OE valve fails.  The in line type are far 
> easier to replace than the stock Olds valve (which often 
> looks like it was installed before the engine was in the car 
> and all of the other external stuff was on the engine) on most cars.
> Also easy to bypass if you have a failure on the road.  Just 
> make sure you consult your shop manual or examine your 
> existing valve to make sure you know how it functions.  Some 
> years and models take a vacuum opens type, some a vacuum 
> closes.  I have seen lots of "no heat" or "won't cool" 
> complaints due to an incorrect replacement valve.
> 
> Regards,
> Fred
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:53:04 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: Painless Wiring Harnesses

Thinking of getting the Painless Wiring Harness Kit (#20102) for '67 to '74
GM Cars to replace my stock (i.e. old, greasy, spliced, missing, etc)
harness.

I'm not trying to be extremely stock looking and I like the fact that the
Painless kit has provisions for HEI, Power Windows (don't have yet), third
brake light, spade fuses, auxiliary fan, etc.

Anyone ever use one of these kits?

Thanks,
Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
69 Cutlass S Convertible
[H/O Reproduction]

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 14:55:38 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Heater control valve again.

>>Do you remember what kind of vehicle you got the valve
>>off of? Olds has two different size heater hoses (5/8
>>and 3/4 for my car), and it would be nice to know what
>>vehicles have the same hose sizes and therefore the
>>correct size heater fittings.
>
>I've been following this thread as I am doing some
>modifications to my '72 Cutlass.
>
>Do you know the approximate year (years) of the Buick
>and Cadillacs?

I'm having a hard time trying to think of any GM model year from 1970 on up 
that _didn't_ use a pairing of one 5/8" hose and one 3/4" hose for the 
heater connections. The heater core has one 5/8" fitting and one 3/4" 
fitting.

Unfortunately I cannot remember which size has the valve in it and which one 
was used for the long run from water pump to firewall, although I'm leaning 
towards the 3/4" size for the latter due to the longer distance it had to 
cover, and the 5/8" diameter would be the one with the valve in it, making a 
short jump from the firewall to the back of the block. The valve would be 
either in-line in that hose, or screwed into the top of the block or 
manifold.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:02:15 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Heater control valve again.

>Sounds like the Chrysler style valve that I mentioned,
>but I suppose there are other makes using it as well.
>That is definitely a better design as the vacuum diaphragm
>is completely separate from the coolant flow valve, so
>there is no possibility of a leak if the diaphragm ruptures.

Yes, I got one of those designs off a '76 Ford Granada many years ago when I 
replaced it after it seized up. Its exposed mechanism had gotten a little 
corroded, but since it _was_ exposed, I was able to get it working again 
later after some fiddling around with it, so rather than throw it away, I 
tossed it in the bottom of my toolbox, and I think it's still there. I have 
a very old toolbox.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:11:06 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: (Slightly OT) Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again

Okay, this is not strictly an Olds issue; it's more of a corporate GM-dealer 
issue, since realistically I think most GM dealers are blurring the various 
brand names together in the showrooms nowadays.

Our '96 Trans Sport (Silhouette/Lumina-minivan clone) got a recall notice 
about fixing a lower pinion bearing on the steering gear. We'd actually 
gotten two notices a year apart about fixing it; our previous visit to the 
dealer about it last year got cancelled at the last minute due to a family 
emergency, so Pontiac was dinging us again about getting around to it sooner 
or later, and yes, the van did feel a little loosey-goosey in low-speed left 
turns as they described in their letter. So after much rescheduling of the 
offspring to work around not having the family minivan for a day, it went in 
last Thursday, they did the work, my wife drove it home in the evening, no 
sweat.

Saturday morning rolls around and I drive it for the first time. Hmmm. The 
first thing I notice is that it tracks nice and straight and doesn't pull to 
either side... as long as I leave the steering wheel in the 11-o'clock 
position, or 30° to the left. Some further eyeballing of the front wheels 
suggests that they're slightly toe-out. Oh, great; they apparently slapped 
it back together again and never aligned it, or even road-tested it.

So after a couple of testy (on my part) phone calls, we dropped it off again 
last night, with clear instructions in writing about what to fix, and the 
fact that per my phone conversation with them on Saturday, we expected it to 
be delivered to our house when it was finished. My wife just got a call from 
them to say that they're on their way.

I think what annoys me the most here is that it's such a straightforward 
machine repair: you reassemble parts 1-20, get the steering wheel on-center, 
get the front wheels set to the correct toe-in, and you're done. It's not a 
matter of arguing whether the door is really painted the same color as the 
fender, or whether you can or cannot hear a funny noise at 38 mph. If this 
repair isn't done right, it's bloody obvious to a mechanical person that 
it's not done right.

My only consolation here is that the dealership apparently lives in fear of 
losing their happy-customer awards from the zone office, including 
plastering a gold sticker on the repair receipt asking for a chance to 
correct any problems that would cause us to give them a less-than-perfect 
rating on any future surveys, and the woman who called my wife yesterday on 
a routine followup call, apparently unaware of the ongoing saga, sounded 
appropriately seasick when told that they hadn't even got the steering wheel 
straight. So having them work through a second repair and tie up two guys to 
make a home delivery will hopefully make an impression on them. I hate it 
when I have to explain to a Pontiac dealer how to fix a Pontiac.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 15:43:35 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: (Slightly OT) Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again

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I had quite a surprising (very good) experience yesterday when I brought my  
wife's '04 Cadillac SRX back to the dealer for a recall. Seems a washer in the 
 front end near the ball joints was made of the wrong steel, and could fail,  
lowering the front end causing some problem somehow. I called ahead and they  
said they would provide a Cadillac loaner for me.
When I got there, they asked if I would rather wait 1/2 hour for the  repair. 
I said sure. Twenty minutes later, the job was done. They also replaced  the 
valve caps (which are the hottest items stolen these days, I'm told. They  
have sensors which tell you the air pressure in each tire on your navigation  
system) at no charge. Slipped the Service Manager a $20, and was on my  way.
   

Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo


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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:03:02 -0500
From: Karl Erik Aune <425power@ameritech.net>
Subject: Craftsman E-Sale....

Hola.

More about recent (mis)adventures in a future post.
Right now I'll pass along something I stumbled on last night which may 
be time-sensitive.

Recently my low-end model Craftsman trolley jack was stolen.
I guess it was my fault for leaving it in the yard in a place where it 
couldn't easily be seen unless one was so interested as to peer through 
the ivy covering the chain link double-door type fence gate.
The perpetrator left a calling card too. An empty 40oz of MGD.
Not quite a fair trade in my opinion.

Mr Zito happened to mention that occasionaly sears will have for sale 
their package of one 3-ton floor jack and two jackstands for $99 (list 
price $119.99).

So I reached for a catalogue flipped around, eventually disappointed 
that they didnt happen to list an engine stand ('nother story) but the 
catalog did say to check online for a wider selection, etc.
And at the time I was online anyhow so... (danger Will Robinson! 
Enormous Link approching!)

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0509152850.1095194899@@@@&BV_EngineID=cciiadcmiemhihdcehgcemgdffmdflh.0&vertical=TOOL&pid=00950134000&subcat=Lift+Equipment&vertical=TOOL&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes

Holy Roadkill Batman! Its less than US $80 if you order it online!
[ and I think my Craftsman club card racked up a further 10% savings - 
nudge, nudge ]

The online catalogue doesn't mention when the offer expires, so don't 
dawdle folks!

Karl "if only it came with Lojack" Aune

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 21:57:11 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Craftsman E-Sale....

>Hola.

Audience: HI, KARL! WELCOME BACK!

>More about recent (mis)adventures in a future post.

We can't wait!

>http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_SessionID=@@@@0509152850.1095194899@@@@&BV_EngineID=cciiadcmiemhihdcehgcemgdffmdflh.0&vertical=TOOL&pid=00950134000&subcat=Lift+Equipment&vertical=TOOL&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes
>
>Holy Roadkill Batman! Its less than US $80 if you order it online!

To prevent hunt-and-peck insanity among the Olds members trying to follow 
all that, here's a shorter link that will get you to the same place:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F23525B49

(I have a suspicion that this link also identifies you as Karl doing the 
browsing, but I don't think any harm will come to anyone if that is the 
case...)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:21:34 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again

That's why I never let anyone work on my cars.  Bruce Roe

14 Sep 2004  "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> writes:
> I hate it 
> when I have to explain to a Pontiac dealer how to fix a Pontiac.
> 
> -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 18:55:26 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Attention Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kansas.  Zone show at Cavanaugh Flight Museum

You might suggest that they put this event on the website.
I don't find anything about a 2004 Zone Show.

krw
On Sep 13, 2004, at 5:20 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 09:39:26 -0500
> From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
> Subject: Attention Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma and Kansas.  Zone show  
> at Cavanaugh Flight Museum
>
> The North Texas Oldsmobile Club is hosting our annual zone show.  This
> year, since the zone show is so soon after the nationals, it was  
> decided
> that we would make this a fun event without the stress of organizing a
> major event.  This will be a show and shine only with no prizes  
> awarded.
> If you would like for your car to be judged, you can request that it
> will be judged and you will receive a judging sheet.
>
> We are coordinating with the Cavanaugh Flight Museum who have  
> graciously
> allowed us to conduct our show on their grounds.  This will give us an
> opportunity to show our classic cars with some of the finest examples  
> of
> vintage aircraft around.
>
> There will be a hospitality room for all guests at the InterContinental
> Hotel, Addison on Friday night.  So come early and visit with some
> fellow Olds guys and galls.  Showing will be from 8:30 to 4:00 on
> Saturday September 25th at the Cavanaugh Flight Museum.  We will most
> likely attend a local cruise night Saturday after the show.  More
> socializing in the hospitality suite on Saturday night.  Then a buffet
> breakfast before everyone leaves on Sunday.
>
> There will be lots of fun, so come for the day or for the weekend.
>
> This show is open to ALL Oldsmobiles.  Even project cars like Arons
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/ntexasoca/ZoneShow02/Images/ 
> zone02_1
> 2.jpg.
>
> See this link for more information on the NTOC and the Zone show.
> http://clubs.hemmings.com/frameset.cfm?club=ntexasoca
>
> See this link for more information about the Cavanaugh Flight Museum  
> and
> to see some of the great planes they have there.
> http://www.cavanaughflightmuseum.com
>
> Hope to see some of you there.
>
>     mike
>
> Mike Schlottman
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Society of Petroleum Engineers
> 222 Palisades Creek Drive
> Richardson, TX 75083
> 972-952-9382
Kevin Wright                                krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                   http://www.wankel.net/~krwright

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Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 16:55:55 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again

This is why I buy Toyota's, no one ever has to work on them, and when they
do it's after 200,000 miles. Whoa, was that a tomato that came whizzing out
of my screen! America is gaining on them...................., finally.
 Rick Messenger
76 Olds. 98
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 4:21 PM
Subject: Oh, gawd, Andy's on a rant again


> That's why I never let anyone work on my cars.  Bruce Roe
>
> 14 Sep 2004  "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> writes:
> > I hate it
> > when I have to explain to a Pontiac dealer how to fix a Pontiac.
> >
> > -- Andy
>

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Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 00:50:58 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Craftsman E-Sale....

At 09:57 PM 9/14/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>To prevent hunt-and-peck insanity among the Olds members trying to follow 
>all that, here's a shorter link that will get you to the same place:
>
>http://makeashorterlink.com/?F23525B49

I shall show you an even shorter version, from http://tinyurl.com:

http://tinyurl.com/5lv6l

Now, THAT was even LESS painful, eh  ;o)))))))

SteveH

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