
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, November 17 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5093



95 Cutlass conv.-known problems
Re: Seatback Lock Wiring Routing
Re: Looking for a '95 Cutlass convert---Jay B.
Re: Seatback Lock Wiring Routing
OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?
350 engine in that 1969 Olds 442 convertible on ebay
Re: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems
RE: OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?
Re: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems
Re: R-12 replacement
Re: OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?
Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things
[442] Stolen convertibile!!!
Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
Re: R-12 replacement
Re: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems
Need PIX of correct 1966 Cs/442 RADIO KNOBS
Re: Need PIX of correct 1966 Cs/442 RADIO KNOBS
Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:07:23 -0800
From: jayandcindy@webtv.net (Jay and Cindy Bognar)
Subject: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems

I had a 94 Coupe with the 3.4 so I am familiar with the alternator and
timing belt deals.  For the alt., it is done from below as the engine
cradle swings down.  Best bet if one plans on keeping a 3.4 for a while
is to use the GM dealer Goodwrench Parts Plus which is a lifetime deal
for both the part and labor.  I was also told that the 4T60 trans is
good for 120K at best and is not cheap to rebuild.  
I had not heard about the the O ring oil leak.  I had heard that the
early 90's 3.4 had a few issues but thought that all had been addressed
by the final 2 years (95-96) in the Cutlass.  Note: 3.4 jumped from 210
hp to 215 in '96 for its last year.
Jay 
86 442
95 Aurora
72 CS 455

Jay and Cindy Bognar

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:54:56 EST
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Seatback Lock Wiring Routing

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Does anyone have seatback locks in their Cutlass or Toro?  I need to  know 
how the wiring is run through the seats.  Any help would be  appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve D

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:14:34 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for a '95 Cutlass convert---Jay B.

One of the list members, Karl Sup, has a '95 Cutlass Supreme convert he is 
going to sell soon.  It is a nice CA/AZ car.  He is at     ksup@cableaz.com

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:33:54 EST
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Seatback Lock Wiring Routing

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In a message dated 11/16/2004 1:05:52 PM Central Standard Time,  
NUOLDSMAN@aol.com writes:

Does anyone have seatback locks in their Cutlass or Toro?  I need to  know 
how the wiring is run through the seats.  Any help would be  appreciated.
Thanks,
Steve D



Steve ,
I have an Accessory Service manual on it's way to me. It should be here in  
the next day or two. I'll look and see if there's info in it about  that.

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:45:45 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?

Year not clear, late 80's maybe. I forgot to ck that, and mileage.

no rust holes- came from Iowa.
owned by old timer
4.0L straight 6, fuel injected.
PW, PLox, radio. Forgot to not if has AC- pic of engine should tell- 
probably does.
minor steering system leak
Interior not bad
I need something that may not haul engines but can haul more than 1 extra 
rider.
It's 4wd, new tires.
Affordable.

Any news good or bad, on such a vehicle?
Quick response directly to me, if you have warnings, please!
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:59:46 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 350 engine in that 1969 Olds 442 convertible on ebay

>From: NYMUSCLECARS@aol.com
>To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: 1969 Olds 442 convertible on ebay
>Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 13:43:55 -0500
>
>Hello again.
>Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner.
>
>The 69 Olds 442 Convertible on ebay ended at $11,100 but I haven't heard 
>from the high bidder and he has an unpublished number, so I'm trying to get 
>in touch with other bidders to see what they top offer is.
>
>Got some information that I found on the car:
>
>1) stamping on the heads is "8"
>2) Intake has "411990" and "D2 AV" stamped on the rear
>3) did not see the number on the front of the block, real hard to see
>4) top of the water pump has "395558" on it with a large "2" next to it
=============
That's what I was afraid of
Engine looks way too narrow to be a 455
That is -almost- the lamest 350 available. I guess the 1977-up 350, or a 260 
or 307 might be worse.

What you have there is a 1973-76 smog era low compression 350 engine. Worst 
heads, heavy iron intake with EGR.

All these secrets are revealed in the FAQ files available via 442.com.... 
Please feel free to consult there with future Olds ID tasks.


>COWL TAG:
>
>ST 69 33667   LAN  232549 BODY
>TR 337               51 A PNT
>    12C
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12C = built 3rd week of December
I could look up the trim and paint if it matters.
69 = 1969, duh
33667 = 3-Olds; 36- Cutlass V8 line; 67- Convertible style
Despair not that the body tag does says "Cutlass" [3667 series] whereas the 
VIN says "442" [4467 series]- (I believe) All the Lansing built 68-9 442's 
are body tagged as Cutlass. THAT IS NORMAL. [I have a '68 442 W30 Convert., 
it's also a Cutlass body].


>Thanks and please get back to me asap if still interested, and let me know 
>what your top offer would be.
>I can be reached at (917) 749-4302
>David
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I cannot swing that, even if we value the engine at zero, which is about 
right- I just sold a similar engine on ebay last week for $30 or so. I do 
however pass along to more wealthy acquaintances such deals. It'd be a GREAT 
car to put an original 400, or a 455 or better yet a 425 into and do it up 
right.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:33:35 -0600
From: kc <clemke@email.toast.net>
Subject: Re: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems

I believe we've got the o-ring oil leak on our '95 Cutlass convertible's 3.4
engine. I put the car away for the winter, so that will be an early spring
project. And it should be an interesting project since it has been a couple
of decades since I tore down an engine. I've read in multiple places that
the o-ring leak is not a matter of "if", but "when". The o-ring gets old,
gets dry, and stops being an effective barrier. To solve the problem, GM
specified a new o-ring that is not prone to drying out. The catch is to
install that 29 cent part you have to remove the top half of the engine.

I probably helped things along by introducing synthetic oil into the
crankcase. I had planned to go full synthetic, and had heard that one way to
make the switch was to substitute a quart of synthetic for one of the quarts
of standard oil at each oil change, incrementally building up with each oil
change to a fully synthetic oil in the engine.

I got up to oil change #2 and 2-quarts of synthetic when the leak appeared.
Maybe it was a coincidence. The Mobil 1 web site states that synthetics
causing leaks is a myth. I probably was pushing my luck putting synthetic
oil in a 9 year old car with 64,000 miles on it. But in any case, the o-ring
replacement is a project.

  

> From: jayandcindy@webtv.net (Jay and Cindy Bognar)
> Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 10:07:23 -0800
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems
> 
> I had a 94 Coupe with the 3.4 so I am familiar with the alternator and
> timing belt deals.  For the alt., it is done from below as the engine
> cradle swings down.  Best bet if one plans on keeping a 3.4 for a while
> is to use the GM dealer Goodwrench Parts Plus which is a lifetime deal
> for both the part and labor.  I was also told that the 4T60 trans is
> good for 120K at best and is not cheap to rebuild.
> I had not heard about the the O ring oil leak.  I had heard that the
> early 90's 3.4 had a few issues but thought that all had been addressed
> by the final 2 years (95-96) in the Cutlass.  Note: 3.4 jumped from 210
> hp to 215 in '96 for its last year.
> Jay 
> 86 442
> 95 Aurora
> 72 CS 455
> 
> Jay and Cindy Bognar
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 16:04:01 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?

Is if a Cherokee?  The 4.0L engine is a rock, it's been around forever, 200k
should be no problem for it.  I bought my current '88 Cherokee a couple
years ago and have only replaced the shocks, it currently has 140k and is
going strong.  I would highly recommend them.  BTW, don't pay too much, for
some reason they sell cheap.

Eric



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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 2:46 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?


Year not clear, late 80's maybe. I forgot to ck that, and mileage.

no rust holes- came from Iowa.
owned by old timer
4.0L straight 6, fuel injected.
PW, PLox, radio. Forgot to not if has AC- pic of engine should tell-
probably does.
minor steering system leak
Interior not bad
I need something that may not haul engines but can haul more than 1 extra
rider.
It's 4wd, new tires.
Affordable.

Any news good or bad, on such a vehicle?
Quick response directly to me, if you have warnings, please!
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 15:24:33 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems

kc,

> Maybe it was a coincidence. The Mobil 1 web site states that synthetics
> causing leaks is a myth.


It was a coincidence. It is a myth. I have Mobil 1 in our '65 F-85 330 with
150+K. She now has less leaks. I have Mobil 1 in our '97 Transport with 92K.
She leaks the same. Your seal simply wore out when it did.


Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 17:59:40 -0500
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement

At 08:51 PM 11/15/04 -0600, krw wrote:
>I'm using Envirosafe: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm
>It works with the POA valve on my '70. That's the only real reason I 
>went with it. Works fairly well.
>FWIW - it only costs $20 to get the license (Section 609):
>http://www.epatest.com/

Isn't there some weird fluke in the law that says you can NOT use a
hydrocarbon to replace R-12, but you *can* use a hydrocarbon to replace a
different refrigerant?

Thus, technically, by the letter of the law, you'd have to convert your
R-12 to R-134a or another legal substitute, then convert that over to ES-12?

Or at least, that it's supposed to use the R-134a fittings?  Something like
that... 

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:25:07 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: OT- input on pending Jeep purchase?

At 03:45 PM 11/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Year not clear, late 80's maybe. I forgot to ck that, and mileage.
>
>no rust holes- came from Iowa.
>owned by old timer
>4.0L straight 6, fuel injected.
>PW, PLox, radio. Forgot to not if has AC- pic of engine should tell- 
>probably does.
>minor steering system leak
>Interior not bad
>I need something that may not haul engines but can haul more than 1 extra 
>rider.
>It's 4wd, new tires.
>Affordable.
>
>Any news good or bad, on such a vehicle?
>Quick response directly to me, if you have warnings, please!

No warnings there; the 4.0L I-6/AW4 combination is unbreakable and 
regularly goes 200k with no major work. If rust is not eating the 
floorboards, you should be all set!

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:45:15 -0500
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things

>Please send any offers directly to Randy.

We all know Frank meant that e-mail to be private. Whatcha tryin to do to me
Frank? ;-) Just messing with you......

Just so everyone knows......I'm not taking offers and I don't keep any of
the money generated from my cross-works_org auctions. It's something I
started doing a couple of years ago that was mainly intended to help
children get clothing, food, etc when their families couldn't provide for
whatever reason. Just my way of giving back and trying to make things
better. Until now, it's not something I've broadcasted around the world. For
the most part, the people that have been helped don't even know who or where
those clothes or bag of groceries came from. I like it that way....just an
anonymous note asking them to lend someone else a helping hand when they're
"back on their feet".

It's amazing what a difference something as small as a few dollars in an
envelope or a bag of groceries or some hand me down clothes or a toy can
make in a person's/child's life. Not only to the person receiving, but to
the person giving as well......

Anyways.....now that my secret is out of the bag......

I posted the auctions on the list so anyone interested had a fair chance. I
was going to offer them to the list first, but the digest guys always get
left behind.

Now, go bid! LOL
Randy

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 05:29:53 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: [442] Stolen convertibile!!!

STOLEN CUTLASS...... Contact info below, don't contact me, I know nothing
more about it or the owner.

SteveH
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>To: 442@yahoogroups.com
.....
>From: "cobraxxx_2000" <cobraxxx427@insightbb.com>
........
>Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 03:00:27 -0000
>Subject: [442] Stolen convertibile!!!
..........
>Between the hours of 12:00 midnight and 2:30 am 9-24-04, Tuesday,  in
>Louisville, KY,
>My 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass convertibile was stolen from a gated and
>locked compound. The car was either trailored or towed. The car was
>covered with a military tarp and a car cover, which was rarely ever
>removed.
>Steering column had to be broken to move car, also the shifter had to
>be broken to move car.
>Car was to go to paint and body shop 11-1-2004
>The car showed just 41, xxx miles on the odometer.
>Heres the particulars:
>Camel color bucket seat interior
>350- 4 barrel Numbers matching
>Auto on floor, Power steering, Power brakes, Air conditioning
>White convertibile top, 1 rip each side in sail panel area.
>Sequoia green paint (dark forrest green) original color
>Car has several  identifying areas.
>Drivers seat had rips and tears. Rest of interior was perfect.
>Under hood was very detailed and in stock condition.
>Under carriage and frame excellent condition. Rust proofing was less
>then a month old.
>No rust in trunk.
>
>VIN # 3J67K2M195294
>Cowl Tag--ST 72  34267LAN411833  BDY
>                  TR 978   48T  PNT
>                   03B   A51
>I am offering a $10,000  reward to the recovery of this vehicle. Must
>be recovered in complete shape.
>Call 1-502-637-9374 or contact Detective-Blair at Louisville metro
>police-1-502-574-7602

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 02:26:24 -0500
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@connect-one.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"

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At 08:46 AM 11/15/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>My wife's 2000 Astro van is having a bit of an issue, and I'm not sure 
>what the heck is going on.
>
>Under light throtte and cruising the van will "stutter". It's just a 
>little series of pauses, not enough to cause any bucking. Almost feels 
>like being buffeted by a strong headwind, but, of course, it's not. It 
>does throw a code occasionally - random misfire on one or more cylinders 
>is what Autozones scantool says.


I'm not much of a late-model "brain" but some late-model GM cars and trucks 
are having trouble with sticky fuel injectors.

http://www.automotivehelper.com/topic182246.htm

I'm wondering if your random misfire code is from a sticky injector.  from 
what I've read, if you have a sticky injector(s), you can run some techron 
through it.  If that doesn't help you can try getting them cleaned.  If 
that doesn't work, the injectors have to be replaced.

Just a thought.
Good luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser        80 Cutlass Calais               82 Riviera
67 Cutlass Supeme       87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door       Roanoke, VA

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 06:34:31 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement

Nope. Probably Propane-based, but I have no more info that what's on 
their website.
I choose not to worry about a few ounces of potentially flammable 
refrigerant in a car carrying 30 gallons of gas and 4-6 quarts of oil, 
among other things.

krw
On Nov 16, 2004, at 10:58 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:41:25 -0800
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: Re: R-12 replacement
>
> Hey Kevin: It says it's a Hydrocarbon, do you happen to know which one?
> Rick
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:04:47 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: 95 Cutlass conv.-known problems

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I've been using Mobil One in my 72 Cutlass and 56 Benz for years. Both  cars 
sound smoother than before and I've had no problem with leaks. I also  change 
my oil less frequently (every 6000 miles instead of three)
2005 Cadillac and Mercedes Dealers only use Mobil One and recommend  oil 
change every
10,000 miles!
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:54:34 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Need PIX of correct 1966 Cs/442 RADIO KNOBS

points off at the show, ya know

They said knobs were incorrect.
Radio was still in the dash when car came to me, hard to believe that knobs 
were changed but not radio.

Anyhow, who can send me a nice super close pic of their correct 66 Cs/442 
Radio KNOBS?

Thx!
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 10:36:14 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <62oldsfan@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Need PIX of correct 1966 Cs/442 RADIO KNOBS

> Anyhow, who can send me a nice super close pic of their correct 66 Cs/442 
> Radio KNOBS?

How 'bout looking in the owners manual.  Should be close ups in there.

Paul 

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 09:36:23 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

 
Greetings, list:

I've been very quiet for the past year... work is really intense, and
I'm sorting out many new responsibilities.  

However, I do find a bit of time to look after the slow restoration of
my 442.  It's a 1970 442 with a muncie and a 455, w25 hood, 3.42,
completely stock, 69,000 miles. The interior and the some of the sheet
metal need the most attention.

I really would like to find a usable deck lid for this car.  If anyone
on the list has a line on one, please let me know.  With the rising
value of CDN dollar I may actually be able to buy some stuff for my car!

P.S. Chris W. --->  I found a local sport wheel that is correct, and the
price was reasonable.  Thanks for looking for me.  I know that I shoulda
got back to you sooner, sorry.

Kind regards,
Ian Dixon

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:46:44 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

If all else fails, this deck lid is being reproduced. 
Check http://fusick.com

Maybe others carry this too.


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John Pajak

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