
oldsmobile-digest     Friday, September 24 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5031



Better deal than GM parts direct
Re: Overhaulin' 68 4-4-Foose On Mag Cover
Re: Seat trim needed on '65 Cutlass buckets
RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships
50+50 != 100
Misc PS Pumps and pulleys f/s
RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships
Frame interchange
RE: Frame interchange
Re: Frame interchange
RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships
RE: Window Sticker info/ A serious reply
RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships
Re: Frame interchange
UNBOUNCE: Olds Needs Home
Re: UNBOUNCE: Olds Needs Home
Olds dealerships
Pleated '65 seats
Re: Frame interchange

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:21:57 -0400
From: "Zito, James A (GE Energy)" <james.zito@ps.ge.com>
Subject: Better deal than GM parts direct

There is  gent by the name of Dal Slabaugh who works for a GM dealer in OH
who sells parts for roughly the same prices as parts direct but is much
cheaper on the S&H.   Not a big deal on large orders but significant savings
when you just need 1 or 2 tiny parts.  This link will get you in contact
with him, my link to the website for his dealership is on my other HDD.
http://www.9c1.com/parts/dal.htm

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 06:44:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Overhaulin' 68 4-4-Foose On Mag Cover

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Has anyone seen the '68 442 from Overhaulin' on the cover of Muscle Car
Enthusiast?.

Jay Britt
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not yet.  I'd guess mine will be in the mail today, tomorrow or shortly thereafter.  btw, MCE and Hemmings Muscle Machines are by far the best mags out there.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 Cutlass S W-31  still doing the engine install
1970 F-85  now driveable again with new radiator and the old duals from the W-31
1969 442 parts car
1970 F-85 parts car
plus a whole mess of parts for sale


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<DIV>Has anyone seen the '68 442 from Overhaulin' on the cover of Muscle Car<BR>Enthusiast?.<BR><BR>Jay Britt</DIV>
<DIV>---------------</DIV>
<DIV>not yet.&nbsp; I'd guess mine will be in the mail today, tomorrow or shortly thereafter.&nbsp; btw, MCE and Hemmings Muscle Machines are by far the best mags out there.</DIV>
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<DIV>1969 Cutlass S W-31&nbsp; still doing the engine install</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85&nbsp; now driveable again with new radiator and the old duals from the W-31</DIV>
<DIV>1969 442 parts car</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 parts car</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:46:42 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Seat trim needed on '65 Cutlass buckets

Dan,

You should mention that you have a '65 Cutlass post coupe, as the door triim MAY
be different from a hard top/convertible 2 door.   I do have a "core" door
panels for the later.

Steve K.


Now, I am unsure if aking for parts is okay content for this list, but my
Ebay, Google, 442.com searches have come up blank. I'm missing the side
chrome from my '65 F85 bucket seats. Probably any old bucket seat from a
Cutlass will have these trim pieces. I also have buggered-up trim on the
door panels as a past owner decided to cut them to fit their door speakers.

Anyone have some in their attic?

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:00:33 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships

Martin J. Kelly Olds is right near me.

DO NOT TRUST their service department, on many occasions they would fix then
re-fix then re-fix  my wives Aurora, keeping it for weeks at a time. One time
they felt it necessary to splice the main engine wiring harness one wire at a
time to trouble shoot.  It turned out to be a crank sensor, a common failure
item on certain Northstar engines.

I started taking it to a C*ddy dealer a couple years ago. They get it right the
first time.  Generally when we take to the C*ddy place for service we hear, "who
ever repaired such and such, did it wrong"

Fortunately these things have been happening under an extended GM warranty.

Steve K.



>Does anyone know if any "Olds" only dealerships still
>in business?

Certainly: Martin J. Kelly Olds in Arlington Heights, IL....

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:19:43 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 50+50 != 100

Seems to me that a car coming at you at 50mph has got to be bringing energy
along with it, whereas a brick wall is simply standing there. I remember
seeing  a documentary some years ago where they collided two locomotives
head-on. I
don't remember what point they were trying to make, but I do remember both
trains standing almost straight up an instant before they exploded. Hitting 
a
brick wall with a car (or a locomotive) would not have that reaction. Where
are  the slide rule guys when you need them?
============
Yes, but, that additional energy goes into.... crumpling that other vehicle. 
So, while the overall energy of the crash is doubled, sure, it matters not 
TO THE OCCUPANTS OF OUR ONE CAR. The only thing that matters to our ONE 
CAR's occupants is how long it takes to slow down...

With either the wall or other-car-is-identical scenario [perfect stop where 
they meet] each ONE CAR comes to a halt at the point of impact.

The diff, again, is when vehicle mass varies, or the wall is movable... in 
which case mass wins.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:34:40 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Misc PS Pumps and pulleys f/s

just stuck 'em on ebay
good for the photos of the various types of pumps, if nothing else

1972 dash vents too, and some BMW injectors and coils I found yesterday.

Anyone ever seen a METAL cap like on Pump unit "C"
what's up with that?

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=*the*rocketscientist&since=30&sort=8&rows=25

Thanks
Chris Witt
517-449-0432

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 16:36:41 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships

*cough*

The question was simply whether any all-Olds dealerships existed, not 
whether MJK was a good or bad example of same.

Since we're now veering into horror stories, my $.02 contribution is that I, 
well, pre-screen whoever is going to work on my car by:

1) Making sure that _I_ know what the repair will consist of
2) Making sure that _they_ know that I'm familiar with the needed repair
3) Making sure that the repair was done right

Step 2 doesn't mean going in to loudly announce that this is how the repair 
is to be done; it's more along the lines of saying, "I understand you need 
to take out the <whatever> to get access to the <other_thing>; is that 
right?" If they can't explain what they're going to do, then We Have a 
Problem.

I know that a lot of the time, you're dealing with a Service Writer at the 
front desk rather than talking directly to the mechanic, and I have no magic 
solution for all scenarios, but on occasions where I've had to take 
something in a second time, my knowing what the job should have been is 
usually useful in explaining to them what they were supposed to have done. 
My knowing up front about the details of the needed repair also seems to 
have some magical hidden effect on how things go; I suppose the front desk 
does pay special attention to customers who show the potential of being a 
real pain later on.  :-)

But yeah, I usually don't let anyone touch my car in the first place, except 
under certain conditions: a factory recall, or a job requiring tools or 
knowledge that is beyond my ability to do for myself.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:27:24 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Frame interchange

If someone on the list has a Hollander's interchange book, or maybe Paul H. 
knows----- will a '62 Starfire convert and a '62 Dynamic 88 4 door frame 
interchange?  I realize the additional convert "braces" will have to be 
installed on the 4 door frame.

Thanks,

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:52:57 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Frame interchange

Joe,

My Hollander book shows the following on page 9.B.45. None of the
listing specifically mention coupe or sedan. Hope this helps.

1033 583700
Olds '62 88, S88 & Starfire exc. Conv & SW

1034 583702
Olds '62 88 & Starfire Conv

1035 583701
Olds '62 88, S88 SW



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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Joe & Gloria
Varley
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:27 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Frame interchange


If someone on the list has a Hollander's interchange book, or maybe Paul
H. 
knows----- will a '62 Starfire convert and a '62 Dynamic 88 4 door frame

interchange?  I realize the additional convert "braces" will have to be 
installed on the 4 door frame.

Thanks,

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:15:09 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Frame interchange

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In a message dated 9/23/2004 1:56:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
jbritt67@cox.net writes:

1033  583700
Olds '62 88, S88 & Starfire exc. Conv & SW

1034  583702
Olds '62 88 & Starfire Conv

1035 583701
Olds '62 88,  S88 SW


Joe,
 
there  is one real way to find out,      side  by side comparison,  body 
mount to body mount  distance.
 
Will our friend  get that 4 door frame anyway???    At  this point   it 
cannot  hurt
 
 
Vinny
68  H/O
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:30:19 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships

Andy,

I agree with you 100%, but there comes a time when "car intermittently dies for
no apparent reason"  leaves backyard as well as professional mechanics looking
at countless potential causes.  A '98 vintage computer can be unspecific in the
code it coughs up.  It's hard to approve a specific repair when the dealer and
GM factory technical advisor do not have a concrete diagnosis and do not know
what is causing the problem.

Steve K.



*cough*

The question was simply whether any all-Olds dealerships existed, not
whether MJK was a good or bad example of same.

Since we're now veering into horror stories, my $.02 contribution is that I,
well, pre-screen whoever is going to work on my car by:

1) Making sure that _I_ know what the repair will consist of
2) Making sure that _they_ know that I'm familiar with the needed repair
3) Making sure that the repair was done right....

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:51:56 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Window Sticker info/ A serious reply

Go to http://www.window-sticker.com/ and have them make you one.  They have 
all the info available and you just tell them what options you have.  Fast 
and dependable service at a reasonable price.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:02:03 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Speaking of Olds Dealerships

>I agree with you 100%, but there comes a time when "car
>intermittently dies for no apparent reason"  leaves backyard
>as well as professional mechanics looking at countless
>potential causes.

Yes, sorry; I was talking about getting a repair done right, not a 
diagnosis. For example, when the Trans Sport went in for a recall, the lower 
pinion bearing needed replacement, so I did a little reading up on the thing 
ahead of time to see what would need to come apart. So when it had to go 
back because the nitwits hadn't even got the steering wheel on-center, I 
also knew enough to look for (and find) a toe-out problem for them to 
correct as well.

>It's hard to approve a specific repair when the dealer and
>GM factory technical advisor do not have a concrete diagnosis
>and do not know what is causing the problem.

Agreed. Funny thing: The Internet is a great resource for finding someone 
else who recognizes the symptoms for a mystery problem, because you find not 
only other owners of the same vehicle, but also other dealers and GM factory 
technical advisors to help out, in case your local ones are stumped.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 20:13:28 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Frame interchange

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> or maybe Paul H. 
> knows
Uh oh - on the spot...
> will a '62 Starfire convert and a '62 Dynamic 88 4 door frame 
> interchange? 
Hmmm...  will have to check the parts book.  Wheelbase should be the same, as the Starfire is based on the 88 models.  But if I recall correctly, my old convertible had a boxed frame.  My current Starfire coupe does not.
Now, maybe if the sedan has a heavy duty frame...
I'll check to parts book.
Paul
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<P>&gt; or maybe Paul H. <BR>&gt; knows</P>
<P>Uh oh - on the spot...</P>
<P>&gt; will a '62 Starfire convert and a '62 Dynamic 88 4 door frame <BR>&gt; interchange? </P>
<P>Hmmm...&nbsp; will have to check the parts book.&nbsp; Wheelbase should be the same, as the Starfire is based on the 88 models.&nbsp; But if I recall correctly, my old convertible had a boxed frame.&nbsp; My current Starfire coupe does not.</P>
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:42:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Olds Needs Home

Not on the list, respond to pchristie@bowser-morner.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   "Pamela K. Christie" <pchristie@bowser-morner.com>
Subject: Olds Needs Home

I have a 70 Olds Cutlass Convertible and lots of parts that my husband left
me.  I do not know exactly how to advertise the car so that someone that
loves Olds as much as my husband can be informed of its availability. The
car is rough but I have factory quarters, fenders, inner fender wells,
chrome. There are extra rally wheels, new decals, chrome script, windshield,
cassette players, extra air conditioning unit,etc. etc. I have tentatively
priced the car at $5,000 or best offer. The car is in Dayton, OH and I can
be reached at email: pchristie@yahoo.com. Any assistance will be greatly
appreciated. I have put together a pdf ad with pictures to email interested
parties.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 15:16:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rodney Kohler <srprojmgr4u@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Olds Needs Home

Please send me the PDF

ROdney Kohler
srprojmgr4u@yahoo.com
- --- Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

> Not on the list, respond to
> pchristie@bowser-morner.com if you can assist.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth,
> Nova Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info:
> http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "Pamela K. Christie"
> <pchristie@bowser-morner.com>
> Subject: Olds Needs Home
> 
> I have a 70 Olds Cutlass Convertible and lots of
> parts that my husband left
> me.  I do not know exactly how to advertise the car
> so that someone that
> loves Olds as much as my husband can be informed of
> its availability. The
> car is rough but I have factory quarters, fenders,
> inner fender wells,
> chrome. There are extra rally wheels, new decals,
> chrome script, windshield,
> cassette players, extra air conditioning unit,etc.
> etc. I have tentatively
> priced the car at $5,000 or best offer. The car is
> in Dayton, OH and I can
> be reached at email: pchristie@yahoo.com. Any
> assistance will be greatly
> appreciated. I have put together a pdf ad with
> pictures to email interested
> parties.
> 
> 



		
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:12:02 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: Olds dealerships

Hey list-

Well...now that we're on the topic... I *was* looking for the foremost Olds 
dealership in the Michigan area, but what was the foremost dealership in the 
U.S?

I might also mention that I got no responses about the window sticker 
information. I'll be a little more simple. IF someone has a JPG of thiers 
would they please send it to me?

Thanks,

Scotty

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:40:46 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Pleated '65 seats

Someone mentioned here the other day about their '65 (Cutlass? F-85?) having the "optional" vertically pleated seat pattern.  Seem to recall someone else seconding that motion.  I no longer have those posts.  Are you guys about that?

My '65 dealer album shows the vertically pleated vinyl bucket seats as standard equipment on the Cutlass Holiday coupe and convertible.  Shows horizontal pleats on the door panels.  Appears to have been the only upholstery option offered on these two models.

Cutlass Sports coupe and V-6 Sports coupe appear to have been originally offered with vinyl buckets in what I'm going to call a "bisquit" pattern on both the seats and door panels.  It appears that at a later date a bench seat was available as an option with choices of all vinyl or vinyl/cloth combination depending on the color.

I'm not seeing the vertical pleats on anything but the Cutlass Holiday and convertible.  But maybe that changed after the start of production?

Paul

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2004 09:24:14 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Frame interchange

For what it's worth, a '65 Cutlass frame for a two door hardtop was the same
except for the boxed frame.   This also changes the trans cross member, IIRC.

Steve K.



> or maybe Paul H.
> knows


Uh oh - on the spot...


> will a '62 Starfire convert and a '62 Dynamic 88 4 door frame
> interchange? .....

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