
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 9 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5016



Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
UNBOUNCE: 1958 olds super 88
Have I hurt a tranny?  OT...
RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack
Jake Vitthuhn?
RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack
Autopsy of some 350's
Rockets alight! Discovery channel show
Seek ye the advice!
GM HD ignition box connections?
Starter
Re: Starter
RE: steering gear box rebuilds
f/s: Olds-school 1/2" double square OIL PAN DRAIN PLUG TOOL
RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack
Re: Starter
Re: Starter

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 12:24:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> BZZZT!
> '62/'63 Jetfire.


Sorry, I just figured it'd be available in '61 also.


> I was so impressed by the turbo/4-speed combo that it took me two days to
realize they didn't make a Jetfire convertible.  Sort of like that Jetfire
Wagon that appeared at Springfield a few years ago.


But I would think they were nice conversions.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 18:17:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1958 olds super 88

Not on the list, respond to cypriot12000@yahoo.gr if you can assist.
Want to help someone in Greece? 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   Marios Papadopoulos <cypriot12000@yahoo.gr>
Subject: 1958 olds super 88

Dear Sir,
I am looking for any information on the OLDS SUPER 88 of 1958.
Technical specs , owners manual etc etc.
Thanking you in advance
 
Marios Papadopoulos
Thessaloniki
Greece

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:31:53 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Have I hurt a tranny?  OT...

All,

This is off-topic, because it's regarding the Ford I just got.  Tbird with
the 150hp 5.0L and what I guess is called the AOD tranny.

I was driving it, and have put less than 200 miles on it since I got it.
Partway along my trip, the transmission was behaving in a manner that
indicated it was Very Unhappy About Things.  There was noticeable slipping
when going from 2nd to 3rd, and very obvious slip going from 3rd to 4th.

I found that by babying it, it behaved better. However, being far from
home, I had to keep going.

Fortunately, quite a bit of the distance was at highway speeds, but some
was in traffic.

Judging by the symptoms, where the tranny always wanted to shift at the
same speeds no matter what, I was wondering if the cable that ran from the
throttle body to the tranny snapped. Guessing that this may be the problem,
I babied it the rest of the way home, barely giving it the slightest amount
of gas anytime I wanted to get moving, and letting off when I felt the car
was ready to upshift.

Well, the cable did snap, sorta. At least, the clip or bracket that holds
the whole cable and adjustment assembly to the throttle body appeards to
have broken. I'll have to take a better look at it when I have daylight.

BUT . . I do recall reading that a misadjustment of this cable can toast
the tranny in short order (much like it can the 200-4R or 700-R4 if I
recall right?), and I did hear some occasional howling on upshift, though
the few times it happened, it was very brief, maybe less than half a second.

So, have I done any permanent damage? Once I get the cable reattached, any
special precautions I should take? I'm thinking of changing the fluid and
filter just to be on the safe side as well, but was wondering if there was
anything else I should do?

Thanks in advance, and apologies for the off-topic post.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 22:49:28 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack

	 	The clever designers put the speedo cable fitting on the
LH side, exactly where the shifter and shifting rods are.
Strangely, both the speedo cable and shifter rod cannot
occupy the same space at the same time.

Purely a WAG here: This isn't one of those applications where the speedo 
would be driven off the left front wheel hub, is it?
================
No, sir
Need to insult the Assembly Manual I guess.



	 	I do have a 90 degree adapter of unknown ratio,

If it was an add-on, adapter design whose main function was to just turn the 
corner, its ratio is probably 1:1. Just put a felt-tip-marker dot somewhere 
on the input and output, turn the core 10 times and see if the dots still 
line up.
- -- Andy
===================
No, it's a factory gig, typically found on the transes which have RH speedo 
drive, to allow the cable to come in straight back vs straight in towards 
the L from the RH side. Typically the ratio is stamped on the unit. At this 
time, I will settle for ANY ratio, 'cause "some" speedo is better than none.
  I guess I need to find that elusive Muncie tail housing with RH speedo 
fitting. And go thru the joy of fitting it in place. Trans is out of a... 69 
Pontiac? I think. Still, it is a 4-speed... how the hell did the '69 Pontiac 
fit the shifter and speedo cable in there? Maybe their shifter was in a 
different place, or the cneter rod has its bends in a different place so as 
not to run the rod right where the speedo cable needs to be.

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 22:55:04 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Jake Vitthuhn?

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Hey  there  fellow Oldsmobile  freaks!!!
 
 
Does anyone here  know this person?
 
Jake Vitthuhn
1526 Route 9w
Marlboro, NY  12542-5426
 
He   has a Rallye  350,    and   I bought a set of exhaust manifolds from  
him  a few months ago,  and the manifolds have not yet  materilized.
 
I logged a complaint with PayPal,  but  thought   maybe someone here might 
know him.
 
I left messages for him at home,  no  response.
 
Thanks
 
Vinny
68  H/O



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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 03:09:52 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack

At 10:49 PM 9/8/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>how the hell did the '69 Pontiac fit the shifter and speedo 
>cable in there? Maybe their shifter was in a different place, 
>or the cneter rod has its bends in a different place so as 
>not to run the rod right where the speedo cable needs to be.

I don't recall there ever being any kind of problem on my Goats with the
speedo cable on the LH side. But each body style could have the shifter in
a different location. Heck: having the console could have required the
shifter be in a different location compared to no console. IIRC, the early
tail housings only had 3 bolts but the later ones had five, to allow moving
the shifter around for each body. And if you got a Competition Plus, you
got an adapter plate that put the shifter body in still a different location.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:12:03 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Autopsy of some 350's

Analyzed [autopsied, really] another 350 or 2 today.

One went VVK, took out just about everything. Great reconditioned heads 
still intact. Rod gave way, took out a piston, the cam, the block, cam ate 
the timing cover by forcing it into contact with the water pump. This was a 
recently rebuilt "F3" [reversed "3"] 0.040" oversize 1970 395558-2  block 
too, bummer. "Professionally" rebuilt, had melty tabs and warranty number 
plate on it. I see they see they use rubber rear main seals now. And, too 
much silicone, per usual. At least they didn't use sealer on the head bolts. 
The one rod that gave out.... was an "XC" [403] unit. I bet they used a 
single 403 rod, and did not re-balance for it, which let to it eating its 
bearing, and that was the first domino. Oh, the "professionals" also used, 
you guessed it... the std-issue "no-hole plug" at the rear of the LH oil 
gallery. Dolts.

Other 350 had spun EVERY rod bearing, still ran. Crikey. Apparently, this 
engine was simply run.... to death. This one had never been apart before. 
Every bit of the cam sprocket's nylon was gone. Much of it was found in the 
oil pump pickup. Presumably that led to the oil starvation and subsequent 
loss of bearings' ability to remain tight in the rods.  Interestingly, the 
1969 395558-2 block's "F code"... has no "F". Just "1" and a dot in the 
usual area. Never seen that before.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2004 23:57:41 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rockets alight! Discovery channel show

Very cool rocketry show on toinite
Discovery channel
Might get re-run
I have launched some "big ones" but damn, 21 feet long?
I can only aspire.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 00:05:06 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Seek ye the advice!

I have parted out a "few" cars over the years
If you are having trouble, or considering parting out a car...
please feel free to ask for advice.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 06:14:42 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: GM HD ignition box connections?

Folks,

I've had a GM racing HD ignition box for quite some time and want to 
finally get it hooked up. I need help figuring out where to run the 
connections from the six weather pack sockets. I got one of the MSD 
HEI adapters, but I think maybe those colors don't necessarily match 
the ones on the GM box. I've put a picture of what I have, along with 
a few other details, on this page:
http://www.johnlivingston.com/gm_hd_ignition_box.htm

Thanks.

John
68 442 convt. getting some miles

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 06:07:46 -0500
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
Subject: Starter

Hello in oldsmobile land
 Does anybody know which wire goes where on the starter (one purple
one yellow)?   Bought a car 70 350 and somebody put on a HEI distributor
and did a beautiful job butchering up all of the harnesses, so had to
put a new set on, that is the question, starter had only one little wire on
it
New harness has two wires for the starter which color goes on the R
and which one goes on the S??
Thanks Bob

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 08:11:32 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Starter

ppl wire to s term yellow used to go to i term for points dist
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
To: "olds" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:07 AM
Subject: Starter


> Hello in oldsmobile land
>  Does anybody know which wire goes where on the starter (one purple
> one yellow)?   Bought a car 70 350 and somebody put on a HEI distributor
> and did a beautiful job butchering up all of the harnesses, so had to
> put a new set on, that is the question, starter had only one little wire on
> it
> New harness has two wires for the starter which color goes on the R
> and which one goes on the S??
> Thanks Bob
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 09:16:45 -0400 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: steering gear box rebuilds

Just got off the phone with Tom at Stear and Gear.  Nice guy.  Discount
honored.  My box will be going out this week.  Definitely a MUST to go with
my Global West Upper/Lower Tubular Control Arm/Coil-Over set up.

In case anyone needs the shipping information it's:

Steer and Gear
1000 Barnett Rd.
Columbus, OH  43227

Send UPS/FedEx and include:  Name, address, phone, year, model, quoted price
(just in case Tom doesn't open it).

GREAT price for my '69 box.  Even a local company wanted $200 for the same
job.  Thanks Joe for helping us out.  Will update the list when it gets
back.  

How did yours turn out Joe? (guess I should have asked before I decided to
go with these guys ;-)

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: 73H/O OLDSRIP [mailto:jtmwalt@netsync.net]
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:18 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: steering gear box rebuilds
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Last year at this time I set up a discount for steering gear 
> box rebuilds from a place called Steer & Gear in Coloumbus,
> Ohio. I just got off the phone with him and our discount is
> still good.  I am sending him a box for his firm feel
> conversion and rebuild/reseal.
> The firm feel conversion is where he changes the torsion rod, 
> (I think thats correct) in the box.
> He can also change the ratio if you want that.
> 
> The prices are:
> 
> Firm feel conversion and rebuild is $125.00, regular price is $165.00
> The faster ratio and firm feel rebuild is $165.00, regular $ 210.00
> 
> Call Tom at 1-(800) 253-4327, tell him that your from the 
> Olds internet list.
> 
> Joe Walters
> 73 H/O

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:28:25 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: f/s: Olds-school 1/2" double square OIL PAN DRAIN PLUG TOOL

If you have worked on a 1965 Big block, you know you need this tool
Also used on prior generation 394's and such?

Card says it's a Bonney [very fine toolmaker, high quality] A-650, for the 
1962 Olds V8

I bought a card of them [6] at the nats swap meet. One guy was seeking $20 
each for them
I could go $10

VERY handy to remove and install the oil drain plug w/o abusing your 1/2" 
drive tools.
Pic by request, or see it soon on eVil...

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=*the*rocketscientist&since=30&sort=8&rows=25
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 09:42:49 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Need H*LP with 1) 66 MT speedo cable, 2) 67 Rally Pack

FWIW, my 70 4-4-2 was the first Muncie I ever saw with the speedo connection 
on the right side.  Chevy and Pontiacs (at least all I had seen up to 1973) 
used the left side.  I have no idea which side Buick used, but Olds seemed 
to be the odd one among the other GM makes.

I always assumed it was one of those things that made the Olds a better car.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:22:12 -0500
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
Subject: Re: Starter

Thanks   Bob
- ----- Original Message -----
From: ron fama <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Starter


> ppl wire to s term yellow used to go to i term for points dist
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
> To: "olds" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:07 AM
> Subject: Starter
>
>
> > Hello in oldsmobile land
> >  Does anybody know which wire goes where on the starter (one purple
> > one yellow)?   Bought a car 70 350 and somebody put on a HEI distributor
> > and did a beautiful job butchering up all of the harnesses, so had to
> > put a new set on, that is the question, starter had only one little wire
on
> > it
> > New harness has two wires for the starter which color goes on the R
> > and which one goes on the S??
> > Thanks Bob
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 12:43:07 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Starter

Bob,

Ron is correct, but you may have another problem. You said your car was
switched over to a HEI. Is the HEI still on the car? If so, you must be
careful what wires you hook up. A HEI does ***not*** use the yellow wire on
the R terminal. There's a very good reason. The R terminal is used on a
points distributor to by-pass the ignition resistance wire during starting
only to have a full 12 volts. Normal running for a points distributor is 9
volts. A HEI is direct 12 volts. There is no resistor. If you hook up the
yellow wire to the R terminal, chances are one of two things will happen.
Either once the engine is started, you will ***not*** be able to shut it off
with the key, or the starter will continue to run with the engine running,
with the starter engaged in the flexplate. Be very careful what you change
when you install that new wiring harness on your car with the HEI. That
wiring harness is for a points distributor, which is very different from a
HEI.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
To: "olds" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:07 AM
Subject: Starter


> Hello in oldsmobile land
>  Does anybody know which wire goes where on the starter (one purple
> one yellow)?   Bought a car 70 350 and somebody put on a HEI distributor
> and did a beautiful job butchering up all of the harnesses, so had to
> put a new set on, that is the question, starter had only one little wire
on
> it
> New harness has two wires for the starter which color goes on the R
> and which one goes on the S??
> Thanks Bob
>
>

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