
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, November 19 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5095



Re: 68 Toro tries to kill me
Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
RE: R-12 replacement
Another 66 Toro bites the dust....
UPDATE ME? 4th notice JWO correction for the 2004 Nats- 1966 442 L-69 1st? BOC?
Re: R-12 replacement
425 Crank/Late 400 Block Hybrid Engine
Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
Re: Another 66 Toro bites the dust....
Re: 425 Crank/Late 400 Block Hybrid Engine
68 Toro tries to kill me
Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
307-9 better than the 425?
what is a Quad driver?
RE: what is a Quad driver?
Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
RE: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:21:26 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 68 Toro tries to kill me

At Thursday, 18 November 2004, you wrote:
>So what's the deal with that piston being 6" down in the hole???

Yeah, we want video!!!  ;o)

SteveH



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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:34:29 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

On Nov 18, 2004, at 2:04 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:00:06 -0500
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
> Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
>
> At 04:45 PM 11/17/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>> I'll sell you a decent one for $500 - comes with the rest of a '71 'S'
>> Holiday Coupe, minus engine and trans...
>> :)
>> Seriously - I'm really surprised that none of you up in the land of 
>> the
>> fabled Steel Termite (insecticus rusticus) haven't jumped on this
>> virtually rust free Texas body and chassis. C'mon - all I need is the
>> quarter panel. I could probably make more that $500 selling the 
>> parts, but
>> it's so *solid*...
>
> You can't believe HOW MUCH I'd love to grab that car of yours, but 
> you're
> half a country away. :(

I'd actually consider delivery if it weren't approaching the wrong time 
of year to head north. I have godparents and friends of the family in 
Connecticut.
Never been up there, so a road trip might be cool - but it'll have to 
wait for Spring.

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:36:55 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"

On Nov 18, 2004, at 2:04 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:17:53 -0700
> From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
> Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
>
> At 07:55 PM 11/17/2004 -0600, Kevin Wright wrote:
>> Speaking of the TSB, does anyone have a subscription to Alldata? I'd 
>> like
>> to see the full text of TSB 00-06-04-003B
>
>
> Kevin,
> Alldata has a 1 vehicle subscription rate of $25 or so per year ($15 
> for
> subsequent vehicles).  I've considered the subscription for my '92 
> F*rd,
> but I'm leery of their info for 30-40 yr old cars. I met a guy at a 
> recent
> car show/swap meet who may have info like that.  No guarantees, but
> business card as follows:
>
> Obsolete and Hard to Find Oldsmobile Parts
> Bob Bakinowski
> 1524 S St Tropaz Pl
> Tucson, AZ 85713
> (520) 624-8029

Thanks, I'll check it out. May just go ahead and shell out for the sub.

krw
>
>
>
>
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:42:21 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: R-12 replacement

On Nov 18, 2004, at 2:04 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 07:01:25 -0600
> From: "Stephen Reed" <stephenreed@austin.rr.com>
> Subject: RE: R-12 replacement
>
> Kevin,
>
>> There are several studies of HC refrigerants available on the web -
>> most of them from Australia for some reason.
>
> I'm sure you prob. know that there is "R-12" available in Mexico.  I 
> have
> heard about people getting scammed, when the container has propane 
> instead
> of R12 in it.
>
> Buyer beware....

Yes. I've seen pictures of the faked labels and such on several 
AC-related sites. There's no telling what's in the cans at all.
Wherever there is demand, there are fakes.

>
> I'm holding onto my 12 1-Lb cans like gold!

they're probably worth more per pound than gold...

krw
>
> Steve Reed
> '68 Cutlass
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> Austin, TX
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:59:28 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Another 66 Toro bites the dust....

Sorry, the car was crushed on Tuesday.
==============
That was not very clever...
They are worth a mint in small parts.
Nothing against you, mind you, I am just saying that was a bad idea.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:57:23 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: UPDATE ME? 4th notice JWO correction for the 2004 Nats- 1966 442 L-69 1st? BOC?

11/18
Daily nag, no reply as yet
They must be TRYING to get me to file suit anyhow.
I'll give 'em until oh... let's see.... I usually get the JWO about the 
20th, that means it must be in print by now... I guess if the correction is 
not in the December issue I better have a satisfactory explanation as to 
why, and a promise to correct that in the January issue by 11/25/04 or the 
suit will be filed just as promised initially. Complete with travel expense 
reimbursement, and court costs.

I -hate- being ignored.
It's just not the right way to treat folks.
[Kind of a recurring theme we got going here with the OCA.]
+++++
11/16
Daily Nag, no reply yet.

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11/15
>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>To: JourneyWithOlds@mindspring.com
>Subject: UPDATE ME? JWO publish correction for the 2004 Nats- 1966 442 L-69 
>1st? BOC? Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:52:47 -0500
>
>Have not heard back yet, I would appreciate an update.
>I am expecting the fact that my entry won an award at the 2004 Nats to be 
>published next JWO. Really should have been in the Novermber issue.
>
>Is there a problem?
>My phone works just fine, use the cell number please.
>
>PLEASE tell me that Mr. Blood "lost" the info... and now has to ask ME for 
>a copy of the exact score, which was like pulling teeth to get from him, 
>complete with the threat of litigation, and his LIES about how the infor 
>"was destroyed" [*snort*]. I will laugh so hard it will cause me to expire, 
>I am sure.
>-----------------------
>Chris Witt
>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>Lansing MI 48911
>
>RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
>Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
>Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:31:24 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement

> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:34:23 -0600
> From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: R-12 replacement
> 
> A more efficient condenser core would be nice. The newest stuff is 
> parallel-flow (like a radiator) rather than multi-pass back-and-forth 
> like our OEM units.
> 
> krw

When I was replacing the radiator on the '71 I started comparing the fin 
count with "modern" vehicles. The AC condenser on my Olds has 9 fins per 
inch, whereas the condenser on the '98 Jeep Wrangler has around 21 fins 
per inch! Now that's a big difference. I thought the original Olds radiator 
was suffering with 12 fpi, but it's not nearly as bad as that condenser. If 
I could get a new condenser with the same fin count as my new radiator 
(14 fpi) I would be very happy (and a lot cooler, too).

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:35:12 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: 425 Crank/Late 400 Block Hybrid Engine

Listmembers,

I might have asked this previously and just didn't save the results, but what 
would the benefits/disadvantages be if I combined a 425 crank and rods with a 
late (1968) 400 block?  I ask this because I have a good 400 block sitting 
around and a 425 of questionable condition that could yield a good crank.

This would be for a situation where I would be working against a displacement 
limit under 400 inches.  Otherwise I'd just go with a 425 or 455 with a 425 
crank.

So what I would have would be:
Bore: 3.875"
Stroke: 3.975"

This would get me under the six-liter (400") displacement, have about the 
same weight as a gas 350/possibly lighter than a diesel-block based 350 (which 
could possibly be bored to the approximate displacement of the big-block hybrid) 
and have a better selection of intake manifolds and aluminum heads (more seem 
to be designed for a big block).  Dave Smith sells custom 4-bolt main caps 
(unequal size bolts) and with the shorter stroke I could rev this mill fairly 
well.

So, whaddya think?

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:31:23 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

At 04:34 PM 11/18/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>I'd actually consider delivery if it weren't approaching the 
>wrong time of year to head north. I have godparents and friends 
>of the family in Connecticut.
>Never been up there, so a road trip might be cool - but it'll 
>have to wait for Spring.

I can QUARANTEE you that it ain't gwan snow very soon, Kevin. That's
because I'm still waiting for parts to finish putting my BBA back together.
As soon as they arrive, though, it'll start. Guaranteed.

Steve <local weather-forecaster extraordinaire thanks to BBA and parts
suppliers> H

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:21:52 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Another 66 Toro bites the dust....

Actually, we sold the air cleaner and the hub caps and a few other parts.  I 
checked on eBay and no other '66 Toronado pieces were selling beside what we 
had on so we figured it wasn't worth taking apart.  We had a few people 
interested in the car for $350 but nobody bought it.
===========
Gotta know what to extract and how to sell it.
I have folks waiting for Final Drives for 66-67 toros.
Headlight switch is 1-year only.
S trims on front of front fenders and on door panels.
just about everything...

Maybe, you could drop the price of the carcass to that of the scrap metal 
value, so you don't lose money selling it. It takes time to schedule a 
pickup or a car, too. Given a slightly lower price and a week or 3 to 
arrange the trip, I would have come gotten the thing sans engine/ hubcaps/ 
whatever...

if you run across more rare Oldsmobiles, need help deciding what should be 
saved, gimme a shout.

Remember... last time seen? Hmmm..... long time ago, or never? RARE and 
possibly VALUABLE, just need time to find the right buyer.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 18:44:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 425 Crank/Late 400 Block Hybrid Engine

Ken,

> So what I would have would be:
> Bore: 3.875"
> Stroke: 3.975"
>
> This would get me under the six-liter (400") displacement, have about the
> same weight as a gas 350/possibly lighter than a diesel-block based 350
(which
> could possibly be bored to the approximate displacement of the big-block
hybrid)
> and have a better selection of intake manifolds and aluminum heads (more
seem
> to be designed for a big block).  Dave Smith sells custom 4-bolt main caps
> (unequal size bolts) and with the shorter stroke I could rev this mill
fairly
> well.


With a 0.060" overbore, you would have about a 389. The combination would
work well and rev tight. The engine would still favor low end torque, but
would still have good top-end HP. You would have to be careful about valve
shrouding with the smaller bore. If necessary, notch the cylinders a little.
Otherwise, if you believe you can get the power you need to match the
competition, go for it.

Milton

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:42:05 -0600
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 68 Toro tries to kill me

18 Nov 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:

> Finally got to attempt to extract the 68 Toro drivetrain from the 
> frame cradle last night. It tried to kill me again.

Maybe you should bring it over to my house next time.

Bruce (uses mostly Toro/Eldo engines in my cars) Roe

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:33:34 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

At 04:34 PM 11/18/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>>You can't believe HOW MUCH I'd love to grab that car of yours, but you're
>>half a country away. :(
>
>I'd actually consider delivery if it weren't approaching the wrong time of 
>year to head north. I have godparents and friends of the family in Connecticut.
>Never been up there, so a road trip might be cool - but it'll have to wait 
>for Spring.


If you still have it in the spring, it would be a GREAT home for the spare 
403 I've got sitting around here... :)

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:26:24 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 307-9 better than the 425?

>... put an original 400, or a 455 or better yet a 425 into and do it up 
>right.
>- -----------------------
>Chris Witt

From: Jeremy Higdon <jeremy@sgi.com>
Subject: is the 425 the best olds engine?

Why is the 425 better than a 400 or 455?
>==============
Milton summed it up very nicely in technical terms and numbers.

I would like to add a couple things.

1- "better" is rather subjective. For smooth running long lasting fuel 
economy, the roller-cam 307 is probably a "better" engine. However, for the 
application under discussion- the resurrection/ restification of a '68-9 442 
currently bearing a POS smogger 350... the best choices [assuming the goal 
ranges somewhere from total correctness for posterity to maximizing the Fun 
Factor] are the Big Engines. The only use for the G400 in that car would be 
to impress judges in stock class, and save the car "as it was made" 
[shortcomings and all] for posterity and something to compare to. For 
leaning more towards fun than factory-issued correctness, we have the other 
Big Blokes- E400, 425, 425 Toro/SF, and various incarnations of the 455. Of 
these, only the 455 has the huge long stroke.

Also, 2- it just FEELS GOOD. Similar to Mazda's slogan. Maybe it's the 
shorter stroke, longer rod, all of the above, who knows? [Besides Milton]  
They accelerate quickly, they tolerate 7000 RPM's, and they survive.

Get one, whilst you still can. Maybe it's the same reason we have 442's 
instead of Camaros and Mustangs- NOT another "one of what everybody else 
has".

Oh, and lest we forget
a few years ago I was contracted to build a motor for the 1978 Cutlass Race 
Car. 3.73 gears.

former setup:
1969 Toro 455 [one Low Comp piston?!], BV C heads, hot cam, Hi-rise intake, 
Holley carb, headers, HEI
Quarter mile times pretty consistently 14.5 seconds.

I let the driver borrow the *112k mile old* engine out of a 66 Toro parts 
car, keep him going while I build the other engine. Swapped engines, doing 
as little as possible to the engine. That is:
1966 Toro 425, BV B heads, factory stock lo-rise intake, stock QJet, same 
headers, swapped water pump and pulleys to match the chassis. Used MSD 6-AL 
to trigger the same HEI [which saved the 425 when the driveshaft twisted in 
half on about the 10th run]. Squirrel nest leftovers and nutshells still on 
the intake.
Right off the bat... ET dropped to 13.5 seconds. MSD did all that? I think 
not.
By the end of the day, with timing changes, weather diffs, tire pressure, 
elevate the carb's secondary needles a little, driver gets used to it...
12.9x ET's
On a 112,000 mile old BONE STOCK* Toro 425. No special cam, intake, etc.

PS the new engine turned out to be a 425 [he liked that action], composed 
with a rough idling Mondello 28-29 cam, BV C heads, his hi-rise intake, 
similar MSD/HEI... turned better times, but not by much. Got down to 
12.4-12.5  I think. At considerable cost and sacrifice of idle quality.

*OK, water pump was different, as was pulley setup. Oh, and the MSD/HEI 
might violate the strictest definition of "bone stock" I guess.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 14:54:15 GMT
From: "njot33@juno.com" <njot33@juno.com>
Subject: what is a Quad driver?

Hey list-

Does anyone on the list know what a Quad driver is?  
My friend has a 93 Saturn that is displaying a Check Engine code 26.  In the Haynes manual it says that the code means the Quad driver failed, but doesn't explain what this part is.  I have no idea what the heck that is.

Olds content: My 90 Olds has never had any trouble codes, so I have no basis for comparison here.

Thanks,
njot

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 12:25:06 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: what is a Quad driver?

>Does anyone on the list know what a Quad driver is?

No clue, but a Google search turned up this:

1227303

Schematic
Description: 	1227752 w/ one missing quad driver
Application: 	1988-93 1.6 OHC L4 TBI "6" L73 (LeMans)
			1988-90 2.0 OHC L4 TBI "K" LT2 (LeMans)
MEMCAL IDs: 	"6": ACXP, ACXR, AXCF, ASFM, ...
"K": ANAB, ...
EPROM type: 	27C128

Here's the link: http://www.cruzers.com/~ludis/p4xref.html

Sounds like it's some kind of electrical failure in the ECM for the
engine/engine management system??
Sorry this doesn't help much!

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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- -----Original Message-----
From: njot33@juno.com [mailto:njot33@juno.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:54 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: what is a Quad driver?



Hey list-

Does anyone on the list know what a Quad driver is?  
My friend has a 93 Saturn that is displaying a Check Engine code 26.  In the
Haynes manual it says that the code means the Quad driver failed, but
doesn't explain what this part is.  I have no idea what the heck that is.

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:45:11 -0800
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
<P>I had a friend with a Vortec Ch*vy V8 he wanted me to replace the alum intake on. Apparently he cracked it while overtightening a water outlet,,,anyway,,,, The vortec design on the v8 has a pump under the manifold, with plastic lines routed to pintle valves at each intake opening close to the heads. I would guess that the v6 would be similar. &nbsp;I talked to&nbsp;a repair shop&nbsp;when looking to find a replacement manifold and he did mention that they sometimes have to replace the pump, but not many problems with the setup overall. </P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>64 Olds Super88(found in a field sitting&nbsp;for 20 years), and a 76 Cutlass(anyone need parts??) <BR>John </P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV></div></html>

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:27:29 -0800
From: "Gregg Atkins" <greggat@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

Hello All,
I am getting ready to junk a '70 Cutlass post car with good glass,
doors, and trunk lid.  Actually, I have two sets of post doors and two
rust free trunk lids from a '70 that I no longer need, as I am restoring
a 70 supreme conv.  I'm located in the Seattle area.  Let me know if
anyone is interested.

Gregg Atkins

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Robert Barry
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:34 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

At 04:34 PM 11/18/2004 -0600, you wrote:

>>You can't believe HOW MUCH I'd love to grab that car of yours, but
you're
>>half a country away. :(
>
>I'd actually consider delivery if it weren't approaching the wrong time
of 
>year to head north. I have godparents and friends of the family in
Connecticut.
>Never been up there, so a road trip might be cool - but it'll have to
wait 
>for Spring.


If you still have it in the spring, it would be a GREAT home for the
spare 
403 I've got sitting around here... :)

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 17:32:08 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:03:12 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?
>
> 2) Only has a nodular iron crank. Mid-'70s engines had a cast iron crank.

Milton,

I don't know much about metallurgy, so hopefully you can clear up some of the 
confusion I have over the "cast" vs. "nodular" terminology. 

There was a post on oldspower.com recently about this
http://www.oldspower.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14726

Here are the highlights:

post a: "There seems to be a debate about "N" nodular crank verses the plain cast cranks"

post b: "There is NO DEBATE. ALL cast factory cranks are NODULAR IRON."

post c: "Nodular iron is the only type of cast iron that will handle the torsional loads on a 
crankshaft. Any other type of cast iron would wring itself into 2 pieces in a very short time.
The only SBO cranks I know that aren't nodular iron are the forged ones out of the 330's."

So I am now totally confused. Help.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
phoenix, AZ

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