
oldsmobile-digest    Thursday, September 30 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5039



Re: Best buys/ best tools
Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust
Re: Best buys/ best tools
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Car Title Info.
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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:00:49 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Ron, YOU  'd MAN!  And I hope you got every penny! If you didn't, I hope you
stuck in some of that recycled oil from Wal Mart! HA! LOL

Rick Messenger !       PS, I have bloody knuckles!
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> its just not youre toyo, i had one today with a good griefe  group 7
filter.
>  looked like 50 mm machine gun tore into it.
> shreaded and mutulated. still hung on finaly  tossed out the rules .
grabbed long heavy screw driver
> and big hammer had to  beat it loose. oh what fun it was. customer asked
what the hell i was doing,i
> said removeing this  cheap oil filter, he replied it cost me 1.25.
> i laughed and said no it cost you  1 hrs labor rate to remove it.
> then he watched me put oil on the seal and asked why i did that?.so i
would not have to go threw
> this again.  the kicker was when i installed it snug and then tightened it
by hand. he asked why i
> did not use the adapter with the  LONG 1/2 rachet.grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.  i
asked  any more quistions.
> he said no. i said  65.00 for removeing filter. 200.00 for  education and
agrivation. 25.00 for oil
> change. look on his face priceless.
> take care
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 4:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > My Toyota's self tighten without fail. I put them on and hand tighten
with
> > one hand, and it takes an oil filter wrench to get them off. Which is
what I
> > am going to do today. Pray for Me!
> > Rick Messenger
> > 76 98 LS coupe
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> >
> >> Well, this is an exeption to the rule, take it for sure... but it
happens
> >> mostly when you have your oil change made by someone else. It goes to
the
> >> ridiculous amount of working to take an overtighten oil filter out.
Same
> >> with spark plugs - when a "professional guy" installs them you can
brake a
> >> couple of Made in Taiwan wrenches before they give up.
> >> Matt
> >> > How can a filter self-tighten? Most car parts seem to want
self-loosen.
> >> > I guess you have never run across self tightening oil filters.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:11:24 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust

When I was stationed in Okinawa a few years back, we used a paint on type 
"Corroseal" corrosion inhibitor.  Very similar to some of the POR 15 
products on the market. I was only on Okinawa for a year, so I've no idea 
how long term use works out, but in a place where a car can rust to pieces 
in a matter of a few months, I was pretty impressed with how it held out.

M

At 04:14 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, Kenn wrote:

>I got one suggestion to move someplace warm and dry. That's a good idea, 
>but I was also wondering if anyone had used the "paint on" type treatments 
>such as those sold by the Eastwood Company.
>
>Any experience you can share on rust treatment would be appreciated.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 03:15:54 +0300
From: Hannu Pyssysalo <hannu.pyssysalo@koti.soon.fi>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Christopher Witt wrote:

>
> And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
> that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?

The best oil filter removing tool I have ever used is the three-legged 
tool almost every el cheapo tool shop is trying to sell.  You can see a 
picture on 
<http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/s.nl/c.317638/sc.9/category.175/it.A/id.12227/.f> 
.
The most stubborn filter will go out, more or less crunched, but that 
doesn't matter.

- -- 
Hannu Pyssysalo
Tampere, Finland
Vice President, Oldsmobile Club of Finland (OldsCF) <www.drive.to/oldsclub>
'65 Jetstar 88 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:12:49 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

As long as one is using Fram filters, you might as well spring for the 
Harbor Freight oil filter wrench... : )

M


At 01:31 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, Rick wrote:
>Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on their top of
>the line units. I am going to pop for these from now on. I used one once
>when the wife decided to let me splurge,,,,it workes great. Usually she
>makes me get the "quality" ones that are on sale........, AC brand. I put my
>foot down this time..........., she said I could.  Rick

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:23:37 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Car Title Info.

Just thought I would pass this info on to you all!! Just in case no one has
these sites!

Tami

  www.titlechecker.com



 www.consumerguide.com



 www.eztitlesearch.com/


http://www.autocheck.com/consumers/gatewayAction.do?siteID=759

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:41:49 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:36:22 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> >>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil 
> >>filter to get it to turn?
> 
> *cough*
> 
> The (first and) last time I tried that, on a badly neglected 
> '70 Bonneville, the metal casing of the filter simply tore as I twisted. At 
> this point I now had an immobilized car that I couldn't refill with oil to 
> drive anywhere else for assistance (and which was currently sitting right 
> bang in the middle of my parents' garage... ahem...).

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you see, this is what happens when you commit "tool abuse". 
Sure, it starts out simple, like SteveH using his torque wrench to un-assemble 
things, then it progresses to more and more serious abuses, until eventually you 
find yourself at the die grinder, reshaping the tips of your favorite needle nose 
pliers so you can remove that inside snap ring. 
You tool abusers know who you are. 
Get help now, before it's too late. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:54:31 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 12:57:36 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> It also helps to remove the oil filter from a hot engine. 

Ugh. That reminded me of the time in college when I worked at a full 
service gas station. I had to do oil changes on vehicles that just 
came off the nearby interstate, and I really, really, really hated 
when I removed the drain plug and hot oil would run down the back of 
my hand and arm then drip off the end of my elbow.

I'm gonna have nightmares tonight, I can feel it.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:55:22 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Oh my Gwad.  Have any of you guys seen this thing, it looks like something
out of a "B" movie@!    I just have to know what Chris Witt thinks about
this. And if Milton backs Him up...................., by God I'm buy' in,
one!!!!!!!!   Rick M.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hannu Pyssysalo" <hannu.pyssysalo@koti.soon.fi>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Christopher Witt wrote:
>
> >
> > And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
> > that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?
>
> The best oil filter removing tool I have ever used is the three-legged
> tool almost every el cheapo tool shop is trying to sell.  You can see a
> picture on
>
<http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/s.nl/c.317638/sc.9/category.175/it.A/id.12227/
.f>
> .
> The most stubborn filter will go out, more or less crunched, but that
> doesn't matter.
>
> -- 
> Hannu Pyssysalo
> Tampere, Finland
> Vice President, Oldsmobile Club of Finland (OldsCF)
<www.drive.to/oldsclub>
> '65 Jetstar 88 Convertible
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:56:43 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on 
> their top of the line units.

"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 17:58:16 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Does it work on the AC. brand oil filters; The  wife changed her mind!

Ya, I'm a whimp!    Rick M.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> As long as one is using Fram filters, you might as well spring for the
> Harbor Freight oil filter wrench... : )
>
> M
>
>
> At 01:31 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, Rick wrote:
> >Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on their top of
> >the line units. I am going to pop for these from now on. I used one once
> >when the wife decided to let me splurge,,,,it workes great. Usually she
> >makes me get the "quality" ones that are on sale........, AC brand. I put
my
> >foot down this time..........., she said I could.  Rick
>
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:02:29 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Oh Ken:  You spoiled sport! Just when I thought I was legal!

I'm done, I promice!
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:41 PM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:36:22 +0000
> > From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> > >>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil
> > >>filter to get it to turn?
> >
> > *cough*
> >
> > The (first and) last time I tried that, on a badly neglected
> > '70 Bonneville, the metal casing of the filter simply tore as I twisted.
At
> > this point I now had an immobilized car that I couldn't refill with oil
to
> > drive anywhere else for assistance (and which was currently sitting
right
> > bang in the middle of my parents' garage... ahem...).
>
> Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you see, this is what happens when you commit "tool
abuse".
> Sure, it starts out simple, like SteveH using his torque wrench to
un-assemble
> things, then it progresses to more and more serious abuses, until
eventually you
> find yourself at the die grinder, reshaping the tips of your favorite
needle nose
> pliers so you can remove that inside snap ring.
> You tool abusers know who you are.
> Get help now, before it's too late.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:16:57 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
Subject: Trunk seal...or not...

Hello all,

  I'm in the process of de-bugging my '69 Cutlass 'S' after reassembly, and
have found an interesting issue.  I've adjusted my trunk lid until I'm blue
in the face, and it is as tight as I can make it.  Using a piece of paper, I
can tell where I'm getting decent contact between the lid and the
weatherstrip.  I've been able to get good contact at the forward edge and
the two sides, but the rear has a gap of about 1/8" in the area under the
trunk lock!!!  This is, of course, hidden by sheet metal so it is not
visible from the outside.  Has anyone else had this problem?  The trunk lid
and the sheet metal that holds the weatherstip are original to the car and
have not been tweaked or bent.

  I guess it doens't worry me too much, since I'm not likely to get water
leaks through there (the water would have to travel upward)...but it just
kind of bugs, and I'd like to fix it properly if possible.

  Any thoughts?

thanks!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:19:41 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: balancer bolt torque

AC.  Bruce

29 Sep 2004  "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> Bruce,
> 
> What kind of filters are you buying?  I can still get "traditional" 
> filters from a few suppliers (not Delco anymore now that 
> they have become the world's premiere reboxer...).

> Fred

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:27:14 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Actually, I use a KD #190 band type oil filter wrench for the large standard
size oil filters. I've had it for decades. When we bought the '97 TransSport
with its small diameter filter, I got a KD #2159 band type oil filter wrench
for the small diameter oil filter. I've never had any trouble at any time
with those oil filter wrenches.

I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat the new
oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten the oil filter
to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench on it and tighten as
tight as two fingers would turn the handle. I've never had a problem
removing an oil filter installed in that manner, whether hot or cold, but
cold is always tighter.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


> Oh my Gwad.  Have any of you guys seen this thing, it looks like something
> out of a "B" movie@!    I just have to know what Chris Witt thinks about
> this. And if Milton backs Him up...................., by God I'm buy' in,
> one!!!!!!!!   Rick M.

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:48:33 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Milt. A 97 TransSport; That's like saying I like "Dust Busters",  and all
you guys made fun of me an my Toyota's. You know what, I really need to know
when to shut up.
  Milt is right........................ Shutttttttttttttting up!

 I do Oil my gaskets.
 Rick M.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Actually, I use a KD #190 band type oil filter wrench for the large
standard
> size oil filters. I've had it for decades. When we bought the '97
TransSport
> with its small diameter filter, I got a KD #2159 band type oil filter
wrench
> for the small diameter oil filter. I've never had any trouble at any time
> with those oil filter wrenches.
>
> I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat the new
> oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten the oil filter
> to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench on it and tighten as
> tight as two fingers would turn the handle. I've never had a problem
> removing an oil filter installed in that manner, whether hot or cold, but
> cold is always tighter.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> > Oh my Gwad.  Have any of you guys seen this thing, it looks like
something
> > out of a "B" movie@!    I just have to know what Chris Witt thinks about
> > this. And if Milton backs Him up...................., by God I'm buy'
in,
> > one!!!!!!!!   Rick M.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:06:34 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

yea but just think with out tool abuse, there would be no improved versions.
and the snap on  dude would have nothing to do.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:41 PM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:36:22 +0000
>> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
>> 
>> >>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil 
>> >>filter to get it to turn?
>> 
>> *cough*
>> 
>> The (first and) last time I tried that, on a badly neglected 
>> '70 Bonneville, the metal casing of the filter simply tore as I twisted. At 
>> this point I now had an immobilized car that I couldn't refill with oil to 
>> drive anywhere else for assistance (and which was currently sitting right 
>> bang in the middle of my parents' garage... ahem...).
> 
> Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you see, this is what happens when you commit "tool abuse". 
> Sure, it starts out simple, like SteveH using his torque wrench to un-assemble 
> things, then it progresses to more and more serious abuses, until eventually you 
> find yourself at the die grinder, reshaping the tips of your favorite needle nose 
> pliers so you can remove that inside snap ring. 
> You tool abusers know who you are. 
> Get help now, before it's too late. 
> 
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:06:00 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>You tool abusers know who you are. 
>Get help now, before it's too late. 

Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((

I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
:o)))))))

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:21:14 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat 
>the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten 
>the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench 
>on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle. 
>I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that 
>manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.

Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))

I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used oil.

And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of almost-filling
the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was starting the
engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure is
reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a cupla
seconds before pressure builds up.

I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would die so
I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:10:24 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

At 05:56 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
>> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
>> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>> 
>> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on 
>> their top of the line units.
>
>"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
>If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.

Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made in
India.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:32:21 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

At 10:06 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>yea but just think with out tool abuse, there would be no improved 
>versions. and the snap on  dude would have nothing to do.

...... except exercise his bill-collecting talents, using the 30" Chr*ler
pryer bar for emphasis  =============8-O

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:37:10 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

how true
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 10:06 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>yea but just think with out tool abuse, there would be no improved 
>>versions. and the snap on  dude would have nothing to do.
> 
> ...... except exercise his bill-collecting talents, using the 30" Chr*ler
> pryer bar for emphasis  =============8-O
> 
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:49:39 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

stop fixing the chevy and it would die. but  by todays standerd what is a real car, late 60'-70's a 
real car had rear wheel drive, a firm shifting trans, a engine that just wanted to go, cool sounding 
exhaust. and weighed more than a refrig.
 today its front wheel drive, beer can qaulity sheet metal or even better composite pnls, a 4 cyl 
thats muffled threw a 6 inch muffler  wide tires up front and narrow in rear, enough neons to light 
up a country road, set  so low that a sewer drain removes most of the crap under the car.  almost 
forgot the nos bottle and decals.
 hell a mini van  today is car on steroids and full sized  just means more room for more stuff to be 
added.  there comes a point when knowledge gets carried away.  electric drive by wire steering and 
breaks, and other things, must be fun in a electricle storm.,
just my 2 cents
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
>>the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
>>the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
>>on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
>>I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
>>manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.
>
> Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))
>
> I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used oil.
>
> And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of almost-filling
> the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was starting the
> engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
> starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
> pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure is
> reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a cupla
> seconds before pressure builds up.
>
> I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would die so
> I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))
>
> SteveH
> 

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:52:11 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Thailand out bid India. india is where dell sends you're call for tech support.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 05:56 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
>>> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
>>> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>>> 
>>> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on 
>>> their top of the line units.
>>
>>"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
>>If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.
> 
> Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made in
> India.
> 
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:09:12 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

> I've taken the extra precaution of almost-filling
> the oil filter before installing it.


I don't do that because Murphy and his family says I'll spill it.


> The part you left out was starting the
> engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
> starts;


Of course, it's a no-brainer.


> or let it run at low idle till pressure is
> reestablished.


I think that's more than sufficient. It only takes a second.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:13:47 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

> Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made in
> India.


Actually, the local Shell oil dealer believes AC filters are Mfged by
Baldwin. I think I agree, since my Baldwin trans filter for the Trans Sport
was identical to the AC filter that came out, including the embossed part
number and the patent number and a GM group number. Obviously, the two
filters were completely identical.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:24:53 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

At 10:49 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, ron wrote:
>hell a mini van  today is car on steroids and full sized  just means more 
>room for more stuff to be added.  there comes a point when knowledge gets 
>carried away.  electric drive by wire steering and breaks, and other 
>things, must be fun in a electricle storm.,

I'd bet that model-T mechanics cussed the advent of the electric 
starter.  LOL.  However, you're right about getting carried away on some 
things.  I've seen new busses roll out these days with multi-plex.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:45:00 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
Rick.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:06 PM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >You tool abusers know who you are.
> >Get help now, before it's too late.
>
> Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((
>
> I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
> :o)))))))
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:49:58 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Where's Taiwan when you need them.   OO'      This is getting silly.!!!!?
I can't believe I spelt Taiwan right.      Rick M
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 05:56 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
> >> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> >> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >>
> >> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on
> >> their top of the line units.
> >
> >"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
> >If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.
>
> Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made in
> India.
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:52:17 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Steve, when you say "real car", are you talking about Fords?
Why did I say that.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
> >the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
> >the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
> >on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
> >I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
> >manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.
>
> Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))
>
> I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used oil.
>
> And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of
almost-filling
> the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was starting
the
> engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
> starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
> pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure is
> reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a cupla
> seconds before pressure builds up.
>
> I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would die
so
> I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:55:52 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

I'm tellin Greg............., you guys keep Saying chr*ler.........., I know
that must be a dirty word!   Where's   Wandy , at.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> how true
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > At 10:06 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >>yea but just think with out tool abuse, there would be no improved
> >>versions. and the snap on  dude would have nothing to do.
> >
> > ...... except exercise his bill-collecting talents, using the 30"
Chr*ler
> > pryer bar for emphasis  =============8-O
> >
> > SteveH
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:57:40 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Now  RoN................, you forgot to mention the Woffers>
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> stop fixing the chevy and it would die. but  by todays standerd what is a
real car, late 60'-70's a
> real car had rear wheel drive, a firm shifting trans, a engine that just
wanted to go, cool sounding
> exhaust. and weighed more than a refrig.
>  today its front wheel drive, beer can qaulity sheet metal or even better
composite pnls, a 4 cyl
> thats muffled threw a 6 inch muffler  wide tires up front and narrow in
rear, enough neons to light
> up a country road, set  so low that a sewer drain removes most of the crap
under the car.  almost
> forgot the nos bottle and decals.
>  hell a mini van  today is car on steroids and full sized  just means more
room for more stuff to be
> added.  there comes a point when knowledge gets carried away.  electric
drive by wire steering and
> breaks, and other things, must be fun in a electricle storm.,
> just my 2 cents
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >>I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
> >>the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
> >>the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
> >>on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
> >>I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
> >>manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.
> >
> > Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))
> >
> > I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used oil.
> >
> > And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of
almost-filling
> > the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was starting
the
> > engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
> > starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
> > pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure is
> > reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a cupla
> > seconds before pressure builds up.
> >
> > I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would die
so
> > I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))
> >
> > SteveH
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:59:32 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Oh , O ,     Now I'm behind. Where is Chris Wit, when you need him?
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Thailand out bid India. india is where dell sends you're call for tech
support.
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > At 05:56 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >>> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
> >>> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> >>> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >>>
> >>> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on
> >>> their top of the line units.
> >>
> >>"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
> >>If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.
> >
> > Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made
in
> > India.
> >
> > SteveH
> >
>
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:03:51 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

how could i forget those after all the amps put out 200 times the hp of the engine
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Now  RoN................, you forgot to mention the Woffers>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> 
>> stop fixing the chevy and it would die. but  by todays standerd what is a
> real car, late 60'-70's a
>> real car had rear wheel drive, a firm shifting trans, a engine that just
> wanted to go, cool sounding
>> exhaust. and weighed more than a refrig.
>>  today its front wheel drive, beer can qaulity sheet metal or even better
> composite pnls, a 4 cyl
>> thats muffled threw a 6 inch muffler  wide tires up front and narrow in
> rear, enough neons to light
>> up a country road, set  so low that a sewer drain removes most of the crap
> under the car.  almost
>> forgot the nos bottle and decals.
>>  hell a mini van  today is car on steroids and full sized  just means more
> room for more stuff to be
>> added.  there comes a point when knowledge gets carried away.  electric
> drive by wire steering and
>> breaks, and other things, must be fun in a electricle storm.,
>> just my 2 cents
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>>
>>
>> > At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >>I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
>> >>the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
>> >>the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
>> >>on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
>> >>I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
>> >>manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.
>> >
>> > Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))
>> >
>> > I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used oil.
>> >
>> > And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of
> almost-filling
>> > the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was starting
> the
>> > engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
>> > starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
>> > pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure is
>> > reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a cupla
>> > seconds before pressure builds up.
>> >
>> > I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would die
> so
>> > I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))
>> >
>> > SteveH
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> 
>

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