
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, August 24 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5000



Re: "GEN" Light
Re: "GEN" Light
RE: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Parts for sale
Holiday "88"'s
correction to actual Pace Car wheel story
"GEN" Light
Transmission level and leaking through yoke
New 71 heap / smogger era heads and block...
Alt 120A conversion
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: Alt 120A conversion
Re: Transmission level and leaking through yoke
Re: Barnacles..... (land yacht cancer)
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
RE: Transmission level and leaking through yoke
Gas tank storage...
MEDIA: Crash kills fire chief, 4 others
Re: B-Body spindle conversion gone awry, need advice.
Re: '67 98 2 door hardtop
UNBOUNCE: '98 Aurora CD Wiring
Re: Gas tank storage...
Re: B-Body spindle conversion gone awry, need advice.
Re: Gas tank storage...
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Transmission level and leaking through yoke
Alt 120A conversion
Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
I'm back!

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 03:35:43 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: "GEN" Light

At 08:07 PM 8/23/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>What!?!?!? I just spent twice that much for everything, premium parts, minus
>the field coil of course, from Standard/Blue Streak at jobber price.
>Cheezeeeeee!
>
>I've got to find a better source for alternator parts.

NAL is one; they provide the raw parts for smaller shops to use in rebuilding.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 20:46:00 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: "GEN" Light

Thats right, and for 30$ plus tax. I think J.C Whitney wanted 34$ plus
shipping. Mine were not a name brand, in fact I never heard of them
before,,,,,,,,but they work. I bought them at Spokane Auto Electric, they
have always had good prices, even on OEM, or name brand's.     Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: "GEN" Light


> > In this case, you replace the field coils.
>
>
> Hmmm.
>
>
> > The
> > parts guy said look at the 3 leads, and compare them with yours. I did,
> and
> > mine were single wire, and his were double wire. It had been double
wound
> in
> > a way I had never seen before.
>
>
> That's innovative.
>
>
> > it consisted of
> > field coil, diode trio, regulator, rectifier bridge, brush holder with
> > brushes, and front & rear bearings. All for around 30$ plus tax.
>
>
> What!?!?!? I just spent twice that much for everything, premium parts,
minus
> the field coil of course, from Standard/Blue Streak at jobber price.
> Cheezeeeeee!
>
> I've got to find a better source for alternator parts.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:07:40 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: RE: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

Steve said:

>Dang it, that's not really what I wanted to hear... nor expected  ;o(  I
>was hoping (and sorta expecting) that a Pace Car would have the appropriate
>equipment that one would expect in a "high-performance" car (regardless of
>whether one really considers a Delta 88 to be "high-perf", it WAS the Indy
>500 Pace Car in 1977). That would include Olds' strongest engine, rear end,
>tranny, biggest brakes available... AND FULL GAGES. I mean, who in their
>right mind would EVER consider making a few laps at Indy without gages???
>==================8-O

You would think that, but you'd be wrong.  The fact that you're wrong is
why I was able to buy my very own "1 of 2401" from the original owner for
only $1000.  If they were as cool as you and I would want them to be (by
the way, also as cool as mine's going to be) then they would be
like...Impala SSs come to mind.


Steve also said:

>The
>403, of course, is icing on the cake although only having a TH350 is kinda
>a downer  

TH-400 was an option; also, it "bolts right in" (have to change driveshafts
though - both length and yoke, better to have two and 
SWITCH BACK AND FORTH...seriously, ins't some overdrive trans the same
length as a TH-350?).

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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:10:01 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

Rob said:

At 07:14 PM 08/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Brian,
>
>Well, I would have just taken out that bench and put in a pair of buckets
>from a junkyard car.  As long as the bolt pattern would have lined up, I
>woul have been ok, 'course, I dont know if they actually do line up or not.

They do, in fact, line up - at least, "the mounting pattern for a Delta
60/40 bench and the mounting pattern for Cutlass buckets is the same".

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:08:26 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Parts for sale

List:

I have a bunch of heavy stuff that I don't want to ship. If anyone is 
interested, SF Bay area:

- - Nice 66 330, complete from intake to oil pan, 72k miles, 4bbl high 
compression version $400.
- - two 71 th350, at least good cores. I never ran either one of them $50 each
- - 66 4 door supreme trunklid. Will fit convertibles? $50
- - 71 cutlass front and rear bumper cores $80 each
- - 71 core std. engine block with crank, rods and pistons still there. 
Rusty, will need cleaning and bore. $50
- - #7 core heads $100

Write email directly if you are interested. Also, if  you need anything for 
a 71 Cutlass, write email, I may have it!

George
71 442 Holiday Coupe
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
71 Cutlass S (parts)

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:10:46 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Holiday "88"'s

Most Holiday "88"'s had pretty basic equipment.  The car was built on the 
base Delta 88, and the interior looked cheap in them. Most had the 
"peacock" vinyl seats, which were Cutlass seats.  Also, the Cutlass seats 
looked too small for the car. It had the Cutlass seats and console, and 
some extra space between/next to the seats. I worked in the 3rd largest 
Olds dealer in Ohio, and nearly all the Holiday "88" 's in stock were 
ordered with basic equipment, like 260 V8, AM-FM mono, etc.  Some even had 
the V6.  The only loaded ones were special orders for customers, and there 
were not many of them.  It was kind of an odd car for Olds. As a sales guy, 
I wondered along with the rest of the guys what target market was Olds 
trying to hit??????  Price-wise, it was kind of silly to buy a Holiday when 
you could have a comparably equipped Royale coupe for about $300.00 
more.  It had nicer interior, much nicer seats, standard body side 
moldings, etc.

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 20:42:21 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: correction to actual Pace Car wheel story

I got so excited to be talking about this subject again (can't work on car
right now - moving) that I made a mistake - the actual Pace Cars (the ones
that went around the track) did NOT use anything other than a specially
painted Ralleye III that actually looks exactly like a gold '80s H/O wheel,
except that instead of gold the inserts and the ring around are red.  I
have a picture of this, let me know if you want one...

SO...talk from me re: actual Pace Cars actually having 12" 5x5 brakes is
wrong, WRONG!  Knew there was something special about the wheels,
remembered wrong about what it was.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:35:37 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: "GEN" Light

If your brushes are fine, I'd try a new regulator for openers.  Then 
the rotor, which may be open circuiting.

Bruce Roe

23 Aug 2004  "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net> writes:
> On a recent road trip, the GEN light in my 75 Delta 88 gradually lit 
> up,
> stayed at full intensity for 3-5 seconds, then faded out.  This 
> repeated
> every 10-15 minutes or so at highway speed.  

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 17:40:30 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Transmission level and leaking through yoke

A 400 designed for a vented yoke, should have an O ring on the 
output shaft.  The yoke slides over this to seal it.  Bruce Roe

23 Aug 2004  "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org> writes:
> Uppon closer inspection, it appears that the fluid is coming from the
> center of the yoke.  Is there a hole through the center of the yoke?

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:12:26 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: New 71 heap / smogger era heads and block...

22 Aug 2004  geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net writes:
> I also have a 350 bare block from very late, it says 350 on it 
> in cast numbers on the side and it has windowed mains! 
>  I take it that this stuff is scrap? Anyone disagree? 

> Cheers, George

That is likely a 77-80  350, with 1/2" head bolts.  Those are not 
ideal for souping up.  But in stock form, an excellant long life 
engine.  I have seen them past 200,000 miles with heads not 
removed, no oil use, good compression, and NO evidence of 
a ring ridge.  Bruce Roe

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 01:34:16 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Alt 120A conversion

I tried one of those kits to convert to 80A.  It got so hot at full 
load, the wires smelled.  I didn't trust it, so now I run a 70A 
alternator from a diesel.  A Cad may also have a big alt.

I still have an 80A conversion kit I don't want.

Bruce Roe

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:48:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

> You would think that, but you'd be wrong.  The fact that you're wrong is
> why I was able to buy my very own "1 of 2401" from the original owner for
> only $1000.  If they were as cool as you and I would want them to be (by
> the way, also as cool as mine's going to be) then they would be
> like...Impala SSs come to mind.


You know, all this discussion about '77-'79 Delta 88s brings back my
memories of disappointment. I knew some of the details of the GM decision to
make Chevy the sole performance mark of GM around '72, and it's
consequences. In the mid to late '70s, I started checking out the Olds
showrooms in the K.C. area to see if anything had changed. It hadn't. I
remember seeing Olds pace cars that were nothing special, and I mean
nothing. I remember seeing my first Olds 260 V8 and recoiling in horror. I
remember a salesman chuckling at my reaction, and I then pointed outside to
a shiny black '64 442 Cutlass, Thunder in her Missoura paint scheme, and
telling him that's a car, this thing in your showroom is a piece of crap. I
remember the joke that a late '70s 442 was. Finally, I remember police
apprehender options that weren't. I lost all interest in contemporary cars.
That's why late '70s to late '90s vehicles are almost foreign to me. I
completely ignored them. I blamed much of it on a gutless Gerald Ford, an
idiot Jimmy Carter, and every single environmentalist.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 02:47:01 EDT
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Alt 120A conversion

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something was not right. I have a 100 amp on my car, no problems, in fact 
everything works better than befrore, especially the power windows and 
headlights. My car is a 67 442. You should check into adding more grounds to your car.

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 23:51:51 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission level and leaking through yoke

> A 400 designed for a vented yoke, should have an O ring on the
> output shaft.  The yoke slides over this to seal it.


That's true, but the O-ring eventually comes apart or at least becomes
scored, then it leaks.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:37:23 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Barnacles..... (land yacht cancer)

For the rust in the rear quarters: POR 15!
Looks like you've done a good job removing the loose scale and stuff, 
now you can slather on POR 15. They sell a starter kit that comes with 
small bottles of Marine Clean, Metal Ready, and POR 15, and a pair of 
latex gloves. You supply a couple of containers, paintbrushes (the foam 
kind work well), and a spray bottle or two.
I used it to halt the rust in front of the rear wheel on my '70 Cutlass 
Sports Coupe. Working well so far. It can be thinned to flow into hard 
to reach areas, as well, although I thought it was plenty thin enough 
to get down into the pinch welds inside the rear quarter window well as 
it was.
According to the maker, the stuff can even be used as the resin in 
fiberglass, and I gathered that traditional fiberglass resins will 
stick to the POR 15 after it's scuffed a bit. Like you, I was mostly 
interested in damage control - stop that cancer! I plan to fiberglass 
up the holes later.
Explore the website: http://www.por15.com/
Good stuff (but messy! or maybe that's just me? :) )

krw
On Aug 22, 2004, at 5:22 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:37:31 -0500
> From: Karl Erik Aune <425power@ameritech.net>
> Subject: Barnacles..... (land yacht cancer)
>
> 'ello
>
> So... when last I was heard from I sought a rattle-can solution to seal
> up a spot on the body where a bondo patch had cracked open.  
> McCloskey's
> clear laquer was a response that was appealing due to its apparent
> simplicity - one can, one application, one vote (where applicable). A
> bonus is that if it maintains its clarity, I should be able to see 
> (over
> time) if it is indeed sealing as I want it to.
>
> ((bear in mind that I am new at this body work thing))
>
> Sounds easy, got complicated.
>
> Here are some pics of the car and the work area in general;
> Sorry folks, yes, I should trim the pictures down some to speed 
> download
> time for those whom are "differently internet-able."
> (darn paper wasps!)
>
> http://karlmonster.tripod.com/mission/body.html
>
> A link at the bottom of that 'page' takes you to yet another 'page' 
> with
> images of the "project" areas;
>
> http://karlmonster.tripod.com/mission/body2.html
>
> Learned much in short order. Bondo patch much bigger than I had hoped.
> Unless someone did a really great job matching the OEM color, it can't
> possibly be factory paint. Oh well. Still a decent color.
>
> Bondo was directly on the metal, bondo absorbs moisture, and I can't
> guess how long the crack has been exposed to the elements. Therefore to
> protect the metal, gotta remove the bondo and seal the area. The dent
> itself may lend itself to being more properly corrected before a future
> body filling occurs, but thats also a matter for the future.
>
> As you've seen, it was in the course of addressing this bondo patch 
> that
> I realised that I had a more serious issue on the rear quarter panel.
> Much more serious. The majority of the bondo has been removed, and
> hopefully sealed well enough to ignore while I address the quarter
> panel. Much more sanding to do there, as I have yet to expose all of 
> the
> cancer. I did manage to vaccuum out all the nasty bits that had
> collected down inside the bottom there. I have the fixings for a
> fiberglass resin patch, but not at all certain how to go about applying
> the remedy at the bottom of the quarter panel, esp when it will be
> difficult to access the problem area from the inside. Have to remember
> to prop the trunk open with something that wont accidentally get kicked
> out. Also I should set the trunk spring tension to force the lid open
> (ah the things you can learn from reading the manuals!). Also a
> side-effect of bondo removal is the realization that I need an abrasive
> disk that is somewhere between "coarse" and "polish"....
>
> Anyhow, if anyone has ideas/suggestions/comments/"why the HECK did you
> do THAT?" I'd apreciate the input.
> Also, if this turns out to be more bodywork-related than Olds-related
> (hey, it can happen....) then adjust the e-mail address accordingly.
>
> I know. I know. THAT'S not a rusty car! You think that's rust?
> heh.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> K
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 05:25:31 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

Milton said:

>I
>completely ignored them. I blamed much of it on a gutless Gerald Ford, an
>idiot Jimmy Carter, and every single environmentalist.
>
>Milton Schick

What do you think about it now?

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 09:04:16 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Transmission level and leaking through yoke

I'll check the dipstick tube this weekend, as well as the O-Ring
mentioned by bruce.  I have had other cars that leaked when parked at an
incline like you mention, but this car leaks when parked on a flat
surface.  I might also try your silicone trick.

    Thanks to all.

      mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382
  

> It's common for a TH400 yoke that has the hole in the end to 
> leak fluid if the car is facing up slope on an angle greater 
> than 10-15 degrees, like on a slopping driveway.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 07:29:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve Bento <steveb1320@yahoo.com>
Subject: Gas tank storage...

Hi,

I was on this list in the mid 90's, back when my car
was on the road. I've been lurking for a little while
and it's nice to see some familiar names!!

Since then I had to store my car for a while (about
8yrs), and now I want to get it back on the road!!
When I put it away I tried to drain as much gas as I
could out of the tank without removing it. The car has
been in a garage the whole time but it's not climate
controlled. I live in Mass so the car has seen some
temperature extremes. What would be the best way to
check the tank. Does it need to be flushed out before
I put fresh fuel in it?

Thanks!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
98 Mustang GT 4.6


		
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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:49:34 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: MEDIA: Crash kills fire chief, 4 others

Some sad news here; did anyone know this person? It sounds like he might 
have been seen showing his car at local meets...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-0408240255aug24,1,3769972.story

If the link above doesn't work (it will expire after 7 days anyway) or wraps 
badly on your monitor, this should get you to the same place:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?K24621029

>Crash kills fire chief, 4 others
>
>Published August 24, 2004
>
>A Chicago Fire Department battalion chief, who once
>helped save a 3-year-old girl who fell out a window
>into a gangway filled with 3 feet of debris, died
>Sunday in a fiery car accident that killed four others.
>
>James Buckley, 57, was in a 1963 Oldsmobile convertible
>southbound on Interstate Highway 55 near Edwardsville,
>Ill., about 25 miles northeast of St. Louis, just after
>2 p.m., when his car went through the median into the
>southbound lanes.
>
>The Oldsmobile was struck by a 1998 Subaru Forester,
>registered in St. Louis, caught fire and both vehicles
>burned, killing two in the Oldsmobile and three,
>including a child, in the Subaru, said Illinois State
>Police Master Sgt. Dennis Bauers.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:45:36 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: B-Body spindle conversion gone awry, need advice.

14" wheels designed for a disc brake car will work, but some of the 
early 14" rally wheels won't even clear correct A-body disc brake 
calipers.
Are you using 11" or 12" rotors?

krw
On Aug 22, 2004, at 5:22 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:07:18 -0400
> From: travis gummels <travis@gummels.com>
> Subject: B-Body spindle conversion gone awry, need advice.
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I completed the b body spindle conversion with global west upper 
> control
> arms Friday night.  Took the car down off the jacks, started up, 
> started
> to back out and I could feel grabing and could hear grinding.  So back
> up on the jacks and I find that the caliper is rubbing the inside edge
> of the 14" SSIs that are original to the car (71 Conv).  I want a more
> permanant solution than grinding down the caliper everywhere I see it
> contacting the wheel.  Everything I've read states this should have
> worked with the 14" wheels.  I'm contemplating building a 1/4" thick
> spacer from aluminum (aluminum is about 30bux and machine shop is free,
> I'm a student).  I don't have the money for new wheels and tires
> otherwise thats the route I'd be taking.  What do y'all think about a
> spacer?
>
> Thanks
> Travis
>
Kevin Wright                                krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                   http://www.wankel.net/~krwright

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:47:20 EDT
From: WJone65300@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 98 2 door hardtop

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Thanks for your input guys. I'm trying to arrange a viewing and test drive of 
the '67 98. I'll let you know what happens. Will Jones-'67 98LS

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:03:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '98 Aurora CD Wiring

Not on the list, respond to Ken-gallano@ficepcorp.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Subject: Olds Aurora wiring
From:   "Ken Gallano" <Ken-Gallano@ficepcorp.com>

Hi,

I own a 1998 Aurora that had the  CD changer stolen out of it.  I'm
trying to replace it with a universal unit and am hoping that one of you
might have the wiring color code to the plug.  This plug was cut off by
the thief and I don't want to damage the unit by miss wiring it. Please
give me the color to plug number relationship or w2here I can go to get
it.

Thanks,

Ken G.

Ken-gallano@ficepcorp.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:20:38 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Gas tank storage...

Steve Bento wrote:

> ... I had to store my car for a while (about
> 8yrs), and now I want to get it back on the road!!
> When I put it away I tried to drain as much gas as I
> could out of the tank without removing it.

I'd just add 5 gallons of new gas, prime the carb, and see if it won't 
start.  You probably only have a gallon or two of the old stuff in there 
and mixed with 5 of good gas it will run.

If you get it started and it does run badly then you can drain the newly 
mixed gas out and put in some more.  BTW: if you have a fuel pump with a 
return line then you can simply run rubber hose from the return outlet 
to a empty jerry can and leave the car running to siphon the gas out.

Also, don't forget to watch for leaks when you fill the tank, 
condensation can do bad things over the years.
- --

Cliff "A classic car on the road is worth two in the garage." Simpson
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:27:57 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: B-Body spindle conversion gone awry, need advice.

Any SSII that came off a 73-77 Cutlass or  77-up Delta will work *FOR SURE*
on an ___11" spindle___. The A-body use THE SAME spindle, caliper and rotor
setup as the B-body in those years; in fact, the 77-up B-body platform was
based upon the 73-77 A-body.
Yes, there are two kinds of SSI's, drum and disk. The earlier ones of course
were designed for drum brake cars; IIRC, the first few years disk brakes
were offered in the A-body, SSI's were not available. If your car originally
came with those wheels, and drum brakes, chances are that they are the old
style. I think 71 was the last year for those wheels?
Anyhow, my point is, any SSII wheel should work, I believe these were all
designed to fit disk brakes. But 73-77 A-bod and 77-up b-body for sure.
- ----- Original Message -----

> 14" wheels designed for a disc brake car will work, but some of the
> early 14" rally wheels won't even clear correct A-body disc brake
> calipers.
> Are you using 11" or 12" rotors?
>

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:33:53 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Gas tank storage...

>>... I had to store my car for a while (about
>>8yrs), and now I want to get it back on the road!!
>>When I put it away I tried to drain as much gas as I
>>could out of the tank without removing it.
[...]
>Also, don't forget to watch for leaks when you fill the
>tank; condensation can do bad things over the years.

Although I'm dragging us a little OT here, I would check the brakes very 
thoroughly. I'm pretty sure it'll start without too much trouble; I’d be a 
bit more concerned about making sure it will stop just as easily.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 14:55:46 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

'73-77 A-body spindles are the same as B-body 11" brake spindles 
according to the "tall spindle" swap guides, so yes, they just used 
A-body rotors on the Pace Car replicas, most likely. For that matter, 
the F-bodies also used the same spindle and rotor.
You can dig around on Autozone's website (for example) and see what 
years/models had the same bearings.

krw
On Aug 23, 2004, at 4:32 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:45:17 -0400
> From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
> Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
>
>> ???????  This implies the Pace Car has 11" front discs instead of
>> 12"?? Or were 11" the largest until the '80s (and when did they 
>> appear)??
>
> - ------------------------
>
> I have never figured out how they did this.  the '77-'84 98, Custom 
> Cruiser
> and '77 - '78n 403 88 (ex pace car replica) were all 5 on 5 with 12" 
> discs.
> All other '77-'85 Delta 88 sedans and coupes were 4.75" pattern.  The 
> pace
> car replicas were 4.75" pattern.  Remember that the large 
> intermediates were
> still around in '77.  It is entirely possible that they dipped into 
> the A
> body wagon parts bin for the larger rotors.  I haven't examined a pace 
> car
> replica to determine what they did.   Brian, what came on the front of 
> your
> '77?
>
> Regards,
> Fred
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
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Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:25:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

> What do you think about it now?


My opinions about the past haven't changed. As for new cars from the late
'90s forward, I've been impressed with some of the technology. Our '97
Pontiac Trans Sport has really impressed me with her reasonable power for
everyday use and her handling ability. She's the first mini-van I've ever
seen that can actually corner at high speed. She did save my life and
Marruff's life in being able to get away from an 18-wheeler with murderous
intent on a 2-lane mountain highway. Her performance was outstanding.

However, on the other hand, I'm quite turned off with the prospect of
black-box GPS tracking and data storage as standard equipment on new cars.
Screw that! Also, the sticker price is causing me culture shock. We bought
the Trans Sport used in '99 at a price that was about 60% of her original
list price.

I think I'll stay with our old Olds '64-'65 A-body iron.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:55:16 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

At 05:25 AM 08/23/2004 -0500, Brian wrote:
>Milton said:
>
>>I
>>completely ignored them. I blamed much of it on a gutless Gerald Ford, an
>>idiot Jimmy Carter, and every single environmentalist.
>>
>>Milton Schick
>
>What do you think about it now?
>


Actually, my own 2 cents in the issue is that it wasn't the presidents of
the time or the environmentalists so much as extremely short-sighted
Detroit management complacent with their positions.

Talking about the 1970s, I think it was Lee Iacocca who said that "Let's
face it, we were building crap."

The April 1978 (I think) Consumer Reports issue had a scathing article
about the Big Three's pissing and moaning about the "impossible to meet"
new standards.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:32:48 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

23 Aug 2004  "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:
> I remember seeing my first Olds 260 V8 and recoiling in horror. 

I remember that too.  But it didn't take too long to figure out 
a 403 would bolt right in, even passed emissions.  I've 
been driving 403s ever since.

Bruce Roe

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:35:27 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Transmission level and leaking through yoke

Right, so replace it!  On the other hand, if the shaft has no 
provision for an O ring, you need to do something about the yoke.  

Bruce Roe

23 Aug 2004  "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:

> > A 400 designed for a vented yoke, should have an O ring on the
> > output shaft.  The yoke slides over this to seal it.

> That's true, but the O-ring eventually comes apart or at least 
> becomes scored, then it leaks.
> 
> Milton Schick

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:29:06 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Alt 120A conversion

Everything worked just fine.  But with everything on, I could have an 
alternator failure.  Maybe you should try turning on the defogger, 
heater motor, headlights, and everything else for half an hour, 
and check the converted alt temperature.  I guess there is an 
outside chance the new windings had a fault, doubt it.  

My car has a 67 442 switch pitch transmission; however its 77
403 is very happy with todays crappy gas.  Just took it around 
my Chicago/Cleveland/Harriburg/Honesdale/Chicago 2K 
weekend milk run.  I REALLY hate failures.

Bruce Roe

24 Aug 2004  Tremendous442@aol.com writes:
> something was not right. I have a 100 amp on my car, no 
> problems, in fact everything works better than before, especially 
> the power windows and headlights. My car is a 67 442. 
> You should check into adding more 
> grounds to your car.

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:41:52 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F/S: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

Joe,

> Actually, my own 2 cents in the issue is that it wasn't the presidents of
> the time or the environmentalists so much as extremely short-sighted
> Detroit management complacent with their positions.
>
> Talking about the 1970s, I think it was Lee Iacocca who said that "Let's
> face it, we were building crap."
>
> The April 1978 (I think) Consumer Reports issue had a scathing article
> about the Big Three's pissing and moaning about the "impossible to meet"
> new standards.


You have a valid point. The auto makers were in it just for the buck. Their
only questions were how to make it fast, how to make it cheap, and what's
the most money we can get. The GM quality plate didn't mean much anymore.

However, the environmentalists were screaming then about both environmental
damage from oil drilling and how we would very shortly run out of oil
**before** the end of the century. Our big engine gas-guzzling cars were the
root-of-all-evil. And hot-rods....jeezeee, they hated hot-rods.

I remember the National Highway Traffic & Safety Administration were
wringing their collective hands over all the "high-powered race cars" the
manufacturers sold on the streets and the carnage these high horse power
monsters caused. Sounds like the same stupid arguments for firearms control.
The inanimate object causes all the death and destruction, not the human
mind using the inanimate object. Talk about a failure to take personal
responsibility for one's action, as promoted by the attitude behind LBJ's
Great Society.

The insurance companies jumped on the NHTSA bandwagon, hoping to force the
auto manufacturers to do away with "performance" in favor of "mom-and-pop"
rolling bread-boxes. That way, the insurance companies could still charge
the same rates but should be able to lower the claim rates, which would mean
more money in their pockets in the long run.

Then we have the gutless wonders for our presidents. Isn't it convenient for
the Arab Oil Embargo of 1973 to occur when we are winding down from our
engagement in Viet Nam and using less and less petro-based fuel due to a
decrease in operational missions? When a F-4 Phantom left the runway on a
typical attack mission, it carried the same number of gallons 6 average
automobiles use in 1 year. That doesn't count any aerial refueling. So how
are the oil suppliers going to make up for that revenue loss? Use a
convenient Arab-Israeli war to declare an oil embargo and drive up prices.
The partners in OPEC will take care of each other.

Now, if you are an American president who has just had his administration
hit with a devastating economic oil embargo, what do you do? Do you just
roll over and do nothing, like Gerald Ford did, and later the same as Jimmy
Carter, or do you cut off all of the massive military aid sales to the Arab
oil producers, along with food and other types of industrial shipments. If
you have guts, you do the later, fight an economic boycott with your own
economic boycott. Christ, a bunch of cowards. If Nixon hadn't blown both of
his feet off with Watergate, he might have had the guts to stand up to OPEC.
We'll never know.

Just remember, when Jimmy Carter failed to go ahead with the Iranian hostage
rescue mission, especially after he got the phone call from the Soviets
telling him to stand down, when Reagan was inaugurated, the Iranians
literally turned the hostages over minutes later. If OPEC tried to pull an
oil embargo on Reagan, what would Reagan have said? "Over my dead body," or
something like that.

So there's many facets to the decline of the American automobile performance
machine from the mid-'70s. I'll stick to the '60s Olds stuff.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 20:29:38 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: I'm back!

In case anyone is interested, we weathered Hurricane Charley and finally 
got our internet service back today.

I have almost 2 weeks of emails to catch up on - this may take a bit!

Hope everyone else is well, will catch up on all of the topics as 
quickly as possible.

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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