
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, September 3 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5010



RE:  George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****
Nigerian fake check scammer
RE:  George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****
Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder
OCA judging process needs work
ATV/Cyble Lifts Suitable as Tranny Lifts??
Pulley sizes and info- got any to share? Need some?
Piston motion calcs
Looking for G-body 8.5 housing
Re: Parts Place
Cooling systems and deionized water
Re: ATV/Cyble Lifts Suitable as Tranny Lifts??
Re: George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****
Re: Cooling systems and deionized water
Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder
Bush's Cutlass
1950 Olds 88 in print
Re: 1950 Olds 88 in print
Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: OCA judging process needs work
test2
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Lifting Body (including front clip) off frame as one unit
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Nationals results???
Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Fred's Hydraulic Flare Tool Link??
Re: test2
Re: 1989 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Fails Emissions for NOx

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:40:48 -0500
From: "Stephen Reed" <stephenreed@austin.rr.com>
Subject: RE:  George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****

Milton & All,

>>On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 12:21:42PM -0700, Infinite Space Systems, Inc.
wrote:
>> Last night, in Lura Bush's speech, she talked about GW's first campaign
for
>> Congress. She stated that she would never forget driving around the state
in
>> George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****! I wonder what year the Cutlass was?

>There's a thread on the '73-'77 list about it, as it was most likely from
>those years.  I think I remember seeing some home-movie footage that was
>broadcast on TV (don't know if it was from the 2000 convention or if it was
>elsewhere), and that's what it looked like.

>  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)


Yes dear old W's Cutlass was a mid '70's crème colored Cutlass.  He was
shown driving it in in the Fahrenheit 9/11 movie.

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:44:24 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Nigerian fake check scammer

Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:51:48 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: FRAUD ALERT: Please remove these email addresses AT ONCE

They may send a hit man after you.
========================
Bring it on, brother
We have a rope and tree waiting for them.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:50:28 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: RE:  George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****

>
>
>Yes dear old W's Cutlass was a mid '70's crème colored Cutlass.  He was
>shown driving it in in the Fahrenheit 9/11 movie.
>
>Steve Reed
>Austin, TX


And not at all erratically, we probably should add.

John
68 442 convt. still on blocks awaiting filter



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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:58:55 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder

I have basicly the same design in a jeep. I bought it 6 years ago and it was
leaking, replaced it, started leaking again 2 or 3 years ago and replaced it
again, it is now leakign again. That would be bad enough if it was driven
every day but it only gets a thousand or so miles a year. Hasn't been driven
at all this year so I havn't replaced it. They don't last long. At least on
the jeep the floor has a rubberized bed liner instad of carpet.

Allen Schwartz
Alpine Paving Services, LLC
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:57 AM
Subject: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder


> [Dolt] Design of the Year award goes to....
> clever Chevy engineers !!!
>
> Who designed the 1990 truck clutch master cylinder such that *when* it
> starts to leaking, the brake fluid dribbles out... not down the firewall
> onto the ground... but down the INSIDE of the firewall, in order to soak
the
> carpet all the way to the door!
>
> Modified mounting part now has a slot in it so that any juice that does
come
> out the end stands a chance of making it to the outdoors side of the
> firewall.
>
> It's only been a year and 3 months since the new one was installed. If
this
> is gonna be a yearly thing, I am not gonna like that.
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:00:22 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: OCA judging process needs work

Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:10:48 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: OCA judging snafu

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Did they fill out a judging form??? IF so,   kindly request a copy,  if they 
say "no",  do  what I did   do not
renew your membership
Vinny
68 H/O
===================
They sure did.
They spent a good half hour going over the car. Now they refuse to share 
that info. That's not "friendly" in my book. In fact, they are treating me 
as an adversary rather than a friend. Consequently, if I could afford it, 
I'd have a lawyer on this. I was lied to, which directly resulted in my 
making the trip there.

I would just neglect to renew, but, I feel I can be more of a thorn in their 
side by staying around.
:-)

Actually, I try to use my 50 free words of JWO advertising every month. 
That's a whole "nother" story. Apparently, the current "editor" cannot just 
cut -n- paste your text into the ad format they use. He feels it necessary 
to add "quote marks" around every instance of 88 and 98 and such, as if a) 
that matters, b) anyone ever said "88" and thus it needs to be "quoted." He 
also adds "ci" after 350, 455, etc., which I find amusing but totally 
unnecessary. Frankly, if the reader does not recognize 350 or 455 as an 
engine... then the clue "ci" ain't gonna help, and besides I would not want 
to do business with anyone THAT clueless. He and I have discussed this in 
the past, and he feels that the quotes and "ci' are necessary, and I differ, 
and never the twain shall meet, I guess. As long as they get the phone 
number and eddress right [which FINALLY happened this last issue] I can 
tolerate his self imposed "corrections" to my text.

Next ad maybe I will submit with each and every word spelled in reverse, see 
if he adds "ic" before the "053" and "554" in my text. The one I just sent 
in, I added "lots" of spurious "quote" marks, just "to" see how they "treat" 
it.

Amusement is where you find it I guess. Kool ta ym txen txen da ni OWJ... 
Rebmevon eussi ?

Maybe I can make something funny out of this OCA judging scenario. I have 
plenty of photos of the car being judged. Here's the Judging process... 
here's what it gets you... [squat].
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 11:03:35 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: ATV/Cyble Lifts Suitable as Tranny Lifts??

Hydraulic lifts/jacks intended for ATVs or motorcycles are available 
for somewhat less than the typical hydraulic tranny jack, I've noticed.
While they don't have an adjustable top holder as a tranny jack 
does, I'm wondering what else may restrict their use as tranny jacks.
Perhaps the total lift height??

Just how high does one need to lift to get a tranny in/out of our 
typical A/G-body vehicles, anyhow??? Some I've seen are speced to 
go 24"; some ATV jacks I see are only speced to lift 18".

Thanks,
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:13:16 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pulley sizes and info- got any to share? Need some?

I spent a good deal of time going over pulleys in the garage yersterday
Have that info in Excel sheet
Interested parties inquire via DIRECT email, I am on digest here.

Anyone that can ADD TO this list, please, and thank you, submit what you 
know about your pulleys

I have it organized thusly so far, not EVERY pc of info is REQUIRED, but if 
ya can provide any, that'd be great.

Many pulleys are marked with a 2-letter application code and/or 6- or 
7-digit part number. Hard to find under grunge and rust. I find sandpaper 
helps a lot. If you cannot find that info, the basic size info that a tape 
measure and/or dial caliper provides is a good start.

I measure the diameter with a tape measure, rounding to the nearest 1/10 
inch or so. E.g., if it reads just over 6-1/4", they I record 6.3".

Then I measure the overal width of the thing by lying it on a flat surface 
and using tape measure [dial calipers if available] to measure from center 
hole down to surface on which it rests. Surface must be fairly flat, of 
course, to get a reliable number.

One more measure I do on CRANK pulleys only, and then only sometimes, I set 
pulley on the flat surface on its mounting [balancer] face,and measure from 
mtg surface to the center of the first sheave groove- by eyeball. They seem 
to come in two common offsets so far- 0.625 [5/8"] and about 1.3". I 
recognize that the mtg surface for the WP pulley is not the outside surface 
we are getting overall width from, but that's a small thing that can be 
accounted for later.

Anyhow, here's what I was recording
C for Crank, W for Water Pump, S for steering pump.

# of grooves, 1 thru 4 so far

Code, the 2-letter KC or KB or whatnot
PN, such as 399399

Diameter, overall width, and offset of the 1st groove [C pulleys only]

What Water Pump it was used with in *known*- 5.1, 5.6, or 6.1"
Even a WP casting ID would be sufficient. 6-digit, or the ID cast onto the 
RH outlet boss.

The mating pulley, if known. VERY handy to know later. If you have a known 
set with a known size or type of water pump, that's the ultimate 
information.

Application- what year/ engine size/ with or w/o AC, etc. if it is known for 
sure.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:34:32 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Piston motion calcs

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Piston Motion

At 12:29 PM 9/1/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> > I still get acceleration behavior very much different near TDC than it 
>is
> > near BDC. Magnitude differs by a factor of two, for one thing.
>
>
>That's what Smokey Yunick said.

BTW, what equation are you using to calculate this acceleration? I thought
I saw you calculating it at a series of points, but I would imagine that  
you
could construct a differential equation to determine the rate at any
given point in the crank's rotation. Of course, it's been so long since
I've had calculus that there's no chance I'd be able to do it, or at least
not until my daughter starts taking calculus in high-school in about six
years... :)
====================
Correct
Math to do the DE would be days to figure out
Poor man's calculus- break up the event into many small discrete points.
I used every 1 degree of motion.
Computers are good at that. "Fill Down!"
.
Positon is dirt simple as set forth previously.
Position now minus previous position is travel in this time step.
Assumed [entered] RPM and rotational step size yield time elapsed during 
this step
I used an assumed 1000 RPM. Variations in engine speed were ignored, for 
simplicity.
Speed is just change in position wrt time elapsed- delta Y over delta t, 
where Y is the wrist pin position at beginning and end of the current time 
step.
.
Similarly, acceleration is merely the change in speed over this increment- 
delta speed over delta t.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 08:37:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Looking for G-body 8.5 housing

Hello I am looking for a housing to upgrade a G-body I
have.  Anyone have one for sale?  Thanks Ken


		
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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:36:20 -0500
From: ilo@kwom.com
Subject: Re: Parts Place

Hey Guys,

I work at the Parts Place, doing the Catalog cover artwork and some
customer service. We have a huge inventory of Olds parts, the boss's
favorite car! We repop quite a bit of the parts ourselves. 

I bought the Sport Wheel for myself, love it! It has grain! Sold the 3 used
ones I had to get it. We also have a polished one for the low rider boys! 

The guys I work with are nice bunch of people. But it is hard sometimes
to please
everyone in the retail business. 


James Aiello
70 442
74 98
68 GTO
69 W-31  Chris Smetanas car and my 70's twin... but slower :)


I just bought some battery holdown hardware for the Vista from them, they 
were the only ones who had it.  I got great service and will order from them 
again.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 09:07:37 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Cooling systems and deionized water

The recent discussions about cooling systems, especially about using distilled water to prevent mineral buildup in the system, made me start thinking. What would happen if I were to use deionized water in the cooling system? Our lab has a DI water system that's tapped off the wafer fab, so I know it is very clean. I wonder if the cooling system may have so much crud built up in it that the DI water would leach the excess mineral buildup out of the system. Any thoughts on this? Would it possibly do more harm than good, as in leach out some of the minerals that I actually want to stay in the system (such as iron and copper)? 

Hopefully some of the chemists, chemical engineers and other knowledgeable people on the list will be able to help with this.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 10:29:56 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: ATV/Cyble Lifts Suitable as Tranny Lifts??

SteveH wrote:

> ...
> Just how high does one need to lift to get a tranny in/out of our 
> typical A/G-body vehicles, anyhow??? 

Well the last few times I've used a pit which requires lifting the TH400 
over our heads and holding it in place.

And my wife wonders why I keep saying "Get the bolt in, get the bolt in!" :)

BTW: CostCo here recently had an aluminum floor jack that, with the 
addition of a piece of plywood, would have probably made a great 
makeshift tranny jack.
- --

Cliff "Never buy two tools when one will do." Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 13:06:11 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: George's ****Oldsmobile Cutlass****

Looked a lot like a '76 Cutlass "S" Sedan (yes, the cheap model) in the
pictures I have seen.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 12:40:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Cooling systems and deionized water

> Would it possibly do more harm than good, as in leach out some of the
minerals that I actually want to stay in the system (such as iron and
copper)?


Yes. That's also the reason DI water is *not* to be used for drinking water.
Bad things can happen inside you.

DI water is excellent for cleaning IC wafers and all optics, mirrors and
lenses, for that same reason.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:35:33 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder

Same people that did it on my wife's old '79 Celica, my herd of Mazda 
RX-7s, and pretty much every hydraulic-clutch car I've ever looked at.
When I met my wife, she'd just been re-filling the clutch master for 
months, and had a board in the floor to keep from melting her shoes. 
The first 'car thing' I did for her was to rebuild that master, pull 
the carpet out of the car, and take it to the car wash to degrease it.

krw
On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:16 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:57:06 -0400
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> Subject: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder
>
> [Dolt] Design of the Year award goes to....
> clever Chevy engineers !!!
>
> Who designed the 1990 truck clutch master cylinder such that *when* it
> starts to leaking, the brake fluid dribbles out... not down the 
> firewall
> onto the ground... but down the INSIDE of the firewall, in order to 
> soak the
> carpet all the way to the door!
>
> Modified mounting part now has a slot in it so that any juice that 
> does come
> out the end stands a chance of making it to the outdoors side of the
> firewall.
>
> It's only been a year and 3 months since the new one was installed. If 
> this
> is gonna be a yearly thing, I am not gonna like that.
> - ----------------------
> Chris Witt
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 16:29:02 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Bush's Cutlass

I saw a movie on TV about his political career about 6 months ago.  While 
campaigning he was driving a '76 or '77 Cutlass 4 door sedan, dark blue in 
color, color code #29.  Don' remember if it was an "S" or a Supreme.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 18:56:44 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: 1950 Olds 88 in print

All,
	I just got home, and opened my fresh copy of the GREAT magazine;
Hemming's Muscle Machines.  On page 80, there's an article of a beautiful
red ragtop owned by  Charles Brennan of Fallbrook, CA.
	I haven't read the article yet, but the car is truly a beautiful
ride.


Steve Reed
Austin, TX
1968 Cutlass
1970 Ragtop Cutlass
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/oldsmobiles.html

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:05:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1950 Olds 88 in print

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Stephen Reed wrote:
> 	I just got home, and opened my fresh copy of the GREAT magazine;
> Hemming's Muscle Machines.

I've never seen that magazine, but I hope it's better than their latest
effort, Hemmings Classic Car. They took Special Interest Autos - a nice
little unpretentious magazine - and remade it into a poor imitation of
Collectible Automobile, with lots of throwaway articles and no in-depth
pieces on anything. The editor, Richard Lentinello, took over SIA a couple
of years ago and it's been all downhill ever since. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 17:18:37 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

Hi Gang,

I was taking all 4 wheels off our 1958 Olds Fiesta Wagon today. All the lug 
nuts for where really tight and rusted on, but I got 3 tires off in about 
30 minutes (manually) but the froopin last tire (DS front) just wasn't 
coming off. I cranked on it but no luck, so I went and had breakfast and a 
cup of coffee. When my head was clearer, I thought what the heck, let's try 
backwards. SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE THREADED! To top it 
all off, I had jammed one lugnut into the rim so hard that it stripped when 
I tried to turn it. Argh!

So does anyone know if this is a stock item (and if so why??!) and if not, 
why would someone choose to do this???? Any ideas???

Yours in Fustration,

Nanook
http://www.car-diaries.com/oldsmotron/

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:44:20 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

the idea was that they would stay tight due to  the direction of rotation of the tire.  chrysler
loved that idea .
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Tjosvold" <tjosvold@polar7.com>
To: "Olds" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:18 PM
Subject: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!


> Hi Gang,
>
> I was taking all 4 wheels off our 1958 Olds Fiesta Wagon today. All the lug
> nuts for where really tight and rusted on, but I got 3 tires off in about
> 30 minutes (manually) but the froopin last tire (DS front) just wasn't
> coming off. I cranked on it but no luck, so I went and had breakfast and a
> cup of coffee. When my head was clearer, I thought what the heck, let's try
> backwards. SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE THREADED! To top it
> all off, I had jammed one lugnut into the rim so hard that it stripped when
> I tried to turn it. Argh!
>
> So does anyone know if this is a stock item (and if so why??!) and if not,
> why would someone choose to do this???? Any ideas???
>
> Yours in Fustration,
>
> Nanook
> http://www.car-diaries.com/oldsmotron/
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:48:35 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder

some over payed engineer who had a bad day. hell its the only way i explain a 1996 lti in a camaro.
try tuneing that up .
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder


> Same people that did it on my wife's old '79 Celica, my herd of Mazda
> RX-7s, and pretty much every hydraulic-clutch car I've ever looked at.
> When I met my wife, she'd just been re-filling the clutch master for
> months, and had a board in the floor to keep from melting her shoes.
> The first 'car thing' I did for her was to rebuild that master, pull
> the carpet out of the car, and take it to the car wash to degrease it.
>
> krw
> On Sep 2, 2004, at 9:16 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
>
> > Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 09:57:06 -0400
> > From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: DADY award- Rocky's clutch cylinder
> >
> > [Dolt] Design of the Year award goes to....
> > clever Chevy engineers !!!
> >
> > Who designed the 1990 truck clutch master cylinder such that *when* it
> > starts to leaking, the brake fluid dribbles out... not down the
> > firewall
> > onto the ground... but down the INSIDE of the firewall, in order to
> > soak the
> > carpet all the way to the door!
> >
> > Modified mounting part now has a slot in it so that any juice that
> > does come
> > out the end stands a chance of making it to the outdoors side of the
> > firewall.
> >
> > It's only been a year and 3 months since the new one was installed. If
> > this
> > is gonna be a yearly thing, I am not gonna like that.
> > - ----------------------
> > Chris Witt
> >
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>
> Kevin Wright
> krwright@sbcglobal.net
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html
>
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
>
> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!
> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be
> parts if someone doesn't buy it!
>
>

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:52:15 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

At 08:44 PM 09/02/2004 -0400, ron wrote:
>the idea was that they would stay tight due to  the direction of rotation
of the tire.  chrysler
>loved that idea .
>> backwards. SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE THREADED! To top it
>> all off, I had jammed one lugnut into the rim so hard that it stripped when


Ahh, yes, brings back memories of cracking a socket trying to remove the
darn lugs from the driver's front wheel of my 1970 Newport.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:55:20 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: OCA judging process needs work

At 11:00 AM 09/02/2004 -0400, Chris wrote:
>Actually, I try to use my 50 free words of JWO advertising every month. 
>That's a whole "nother" story. Apparently, the current "editor" cannot just 
>cut -n- paste your text into the ad format they use. He feels it necessary 
>to add "quote marks" around every instance of 88 and 98 and such, as if a) 
>that matters, b) anyone ever said "88" and thus it needs to be "quoted." He 
>also adds "ci" after 350, 455, etc., which I find amusing but totally 
>unnecessary. 

Did this guy ever advertise a classic Buick at wantadpress.com?

If so, I've seen his handiwork, and quite frankly thought it looked a lot
like someone who either didn't quite know what they were talking about, or
was hoping the potential customer wouldn't, and might be impressed by the
quotes.

I was actually kind of interested in the car, IIRC, except that 1) It was
out of my budget, and 2) those quotes really annoyed the heck out of me!

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 20:28:36 -0500
From: Rob <rweiser@shaw.ca>
Subject: test2

test

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 02:26:22 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

At 08:44 PM 9/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>the idea was that they would stay tight due to  the direction of 
>rotation of the tire.  chrysler loved that idea .

Yeah; but what he's asking is why are the driver's side REAR axle studs the
same as the passenger side, but the driver's side FRONT studs were
reverse??????

SteveH

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Greg Tjosvold" <tjosvold@polar7.com>
>>.....I got 3 tires off in about 30 minutes (manually) but the 
>>froopin last tire (DS front) just wasn't coming off. I cranked 
>>on it but no luck, so I went and had breakfast and a cup of 
>>coffee. When my head was clearer, I thought what the heck, let's 
>>try backwards. SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE THREADED!

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 20:08:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

Greg,

All '61-'64 Olds big cars and all '60 and earlier Olds cars had right hand
threaded lug nuts on the right side and left hand threaded lug nuts on the
left side. The only explanation for your left rear wheel to have right hand
lug nuts is that at some time in the dim past, the left rear axle failed and
was replaced with a right side rear axle, unless someone replaced the left
hand wheel studs with right hand wheel studs for some obscure reason.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Tjosvold" <tjosvold@polar7.com>
To: "Olds" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!


> Hi Gang,
>
> I was taking all 4 wheels off our 1958 Olds Fiesta Wagon today. All the
lug
> nuts for where really tight and rusted on, but I got 3 tires off in about
> 30 minutes (manually) but the froopin last tire (DS front) just wasn't
> coming off. I cranked on it but no luck, so I went and had breakfast and a
> cup of coffee. When my head was clearer, I thought what the heck, let's
try
> backwards. SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE THREADED! To top it
> all off, I had jammed one lugnut into the rim so hard that it stripped
when
> I tried to turn it. Argh!
>
> So does anyone know if this is a stock item (and if so why??!) and if not,
> why would someone choose to do this???? Any ideas???
>
> Yours in Fustration,
>
> Nanook
> http://www.car-diaries.com/oldsmotron/
>
>

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 23:02:13 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

At 02:26 AM 9/3/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>At 08:44 PM 9/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >the idea was that they would stay tight due to  the direction of
> >rotation of the tire.  chrysler loved that idea .
>
>Yeah; but what he's asking is why are the driver's side REAR axle studs the
>same as the passenger side, but the driver's side FRONT studs were
>reverse??????

Whenever they have to be replaced, the lug studs are replaced with ordinary 
lugs. Usually it's the fronts that a switched to normal ones first, as it 
is unusual for the rear studs to need replacement. Maybe an unaware 
mechanic screwed them up.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:15:37 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

> Yeah; but what he's asking is why are the driver's side REAR axle studs
the
> same as the passenger side, but the driver's side FRONT studs were
> reverse??????

Because somebody already replaced those studs with RH studs. Most likely,
some unknowing tire changer stripped the studs longs ago. I had this happen
when I had my '66 Dodge Dart (Godawful ugly car!). I told the kid at the
tire shop about the lefthand threads, yet he still managed to strip all on
one wheel before he finally told me he couldn't get the lug nuts off! DOH!!

Randy (I hate '66 Darts) Geisel

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 22:32:24 -0500
From: Texas442 <Texas442@Texas442.com>
Subject: Lifting Body (including front clip) off frame as one unit

Everyone,

I ran across the photo below.  I just do not understand how it is possible 
to have the Entire Body suspended off the frame with the front clip 
attached to the firewall.  The photo in the link below shows a 1971 442 
with the front clip (both fenders, Ram Air Hood, and core support) 
installed and appears to be suspended from the fire wall.  I always thought 
that you have to remove the front clip to lift/mount the body on/off the 
frame.  I think that this is a lot of weight to be hanging off the fire 
wall.  Has anyone tried this?  What do you all think?

http://performance-auto-group.com/images/eBay/Stock-0070/Large/Stock-0070-a036.jpg

Ali
Austin,TX

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 23:22:36 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

> Yeah; but what he's asking is why are the driver's side REAR axle studs
the
> same as the passenger side, but the driver's side FRONT studs were
> reverse??????

Someone could've broken a few studs in the DS rear before they realized the
same, replacing with righthand-thread studs?

Chris

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Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:42:30 -0500
From: Rob <rweiser@shaw.ca>
Subject: Nationals results???

Howdy,

After a few years of lurking, it is time to post.

We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know if
the results are available on-line?

I am primarily interested in the 65-72 cutlass/442 stuff.

Thanks

Rob Weiser
72 w-30 rag project

on digest mode

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:49:43 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

My 62 Cutlass had left hand threads on one side, marked
with an "L" on the stud.  I think it was the drivers' side.  I 
am wondering how you came up with 3 wheels the same?

What REALLY bugs me is finding English lug nuts on 
some of my cars, and Metric on others.  Plus the fancy 
stamped covers that don't hold their dimensions.  How 
to find the wrench that fits???  I WILL convert them all 
to plain English after I retire.  They all have plain steel 
wheels (but oversize) with wheel covers.  

Bruce Roe

2 Sep 2004  Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com> writes:
> SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE
> THREADED! 

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 22:36:03 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

Yes, I resolved decades ago not to let anyone else put 
my wheels on my car.  Bruce Roe

2 Sep 2004 "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> > I told the kid at the tire shop about the lefthand threads, 
> > yet he still managed to strip all on one wheel before he
> > finally told me he couldn't get the lug nuts off! DOH!!

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 03:45:45 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

At 11:02 PM 9/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Whenever they have to be replaced, the lug studs are replaced with ordinary 
>lugs. Usually it's the fronts that a switched to normal ones first, as it 
>is unusual for the rear studs to need replacement. Maybe an unaware 
>mechanic screwed them up.

Naw, I'm sure Milton got it right: a right-side axle replaced the original
left-hand axle. I did that, myself, on my dad's '65 Valiant many moons ago
;o)))))

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 04:19:01 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

At 03:45 AM 9/3/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>At 11:02 PM 9/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>Whenever they have to be replaced, the lug studs are replaced with ordinary 
>>lugs. Usually it's the fronts that a switched to normal ones first, as it 
>>is unusual for the rear studs to need replacement. Maybe an unaware 
>>mechanic screwed them up.
>
>Naw, I'm sure Milton got it right: a right-side axle replaced the original
>left-hand axle. I did that, myself, on my dad's '65 Valiant many moons ago
>;o)))))

Further explanation: back in them days, when yer axle bearing went bad, ya
didn't do the REASONABLE thing and go get a NEW bearing put on. NO.... what
ya did was ya went to the local Yarde, paid $10-$20, and got another axle.
If THAT one had a bad bearing, the Yarde would keep pulling axles till ya
found a good un  ;o|

Similarly, when your front brake drums were too far gone, you went and got
replacements from a Yarde car. Back then, NEW drums were EXPENSIVE, because
all the really cheapy parts hadn't yet been invented. So hardly any of us
could afford to buy a NEW drum, OR get a new bearing installed on the old,
original axle.

So just as easily, we could wind up with a right-hand threaded front brake
drum on our Drodge-manufactured car  ;o|

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 04:47:04 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Fred's Hydraulic Flare Tool Link??

A few weeks ago, Fred Nissen gave a link to his hydraulic flaring tool set
he obtained from Harbor Freight. Thought I saved that post but can't find
it now; did anyone else save the link? I don't find ANY flaring tools
listed on the HF site now.

Thanks,
SteveH

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 06:52:46 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: test2

works here Rob,
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 07:11:41 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 1989 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser Fails Emissions for NOx

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
you might want to do a little basic testing on the solenoid to be sure that
it's functional, and not seized up or burned out. If you want to splurge on
about 10' of extra vacuum line and a Tee fitting, it shouldn't be too hard
to tee in the new line on either side of the solenoid, run the other end out
from under the hood and into the driver's seat (through the side window
should be okay), and plug into your MityVac, then go for a drive.
- -----------------------------

I was going to say that too. Did that on my 85 and was kinda suprised at the
results. ECM turns the vacuum on while driving, and since it's ported vacuum
it's only there during part throttle. It read about 5 inches on the gage.

drc

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