
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, September 6 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5013



Jacks So You Can Have ATF Shampoos
What about the clock?
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: What about the clock?
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
hurst /olds 1969
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
70-72 Cutlass 4drs
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Advice Please: ???Cool-Flex Hoses???
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs
Re: hurst /olds 1969
Re: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs
Re: hurst /olds 1969
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long
Re: Lansing Toro XS f/s $900/BO very rusty
70-72 Cutlass 4drs
Re: hurst /olds 1969
Re: hurst /olds 1969
Re: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs
Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2004 22:10:49 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Jacks So You Can Have ATF Shampoos

Yeah, my lift uses DEXTRON III.  Rebuild those pumps and 
have a nice jack.  Bruce Roe

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 00:40:59 +0000 Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
writes:
> ...... and speaking of ATF shampoos.....  I just acquired these 
> jacks today:
> http://members.dandy.net/~k0xp/Oldsmobile/New_Jacks/New_Jacks-a.jpg
> 
> (change that last letter a to b through f for more). Originally, I 
> called
> on the tranny jack, advertised for $100. 

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 00:21:47 EDT
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: What about the clock?

One more time.  Can anyone ID this clock?

_http://www.olympus.ofoto.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=9udbzawp.b2rgehfd&Uy=-
143e76&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3fshowSlide%3dtrue&Ux=0_ 
(http://www.olympus.ofoto.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=9udbzawp.b2rgehfd&Uy=-143e76&Upost_sig
nin=BrowsePhotos.jsp?showSlide=true&Ux=0) 
 
 
(I sure hope this works)

Thanks,

Charlie Toone
OCA Member# 22915
1971 Cutlass  Supreme Convertible
1972 H/O (w/sunroof) - for a short while
1966 F-85 -  my first car - long  gone
ChazToone@aol.com
http://hometown.aol.com/chaztoone/myhomepage/index.html
 

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 08:02:37 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> I run Thunder with 25% 114 octane leaded Trick Racing Gas ($5.25 per
gallon)
> and 75% 91 octane unleaded much of the time. She never sees less than 25%
> 114, but is often more than 25% 114 up to 100% 114 when I'm feeling
> squirrely.
>
> Milton Schick


Will this mixture work  with an older/newer engine?  (cliche) I can get Cam
2 here in NH, and I've been wondering if I could use that in my '78 350 sbc,
and my '78 305? The 305 is in my Cutlass, so I hope this doesn't fall out of
the Oldsmobile rules of posting. ;-/

TIA

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 12:41:35 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: What about the clock?

At 12:21 AM 9/5/2004 EDT, you wrote:
>One more time.  Can anyone ID this clock?
>
>_http://www.olympus.ofoto.com/ShareLandingSignin.jsp?Uc=9udbzawp.b2rgehfd&U
y=-
>143e76&Upost_signin=BrowsePhotos.jsp%3fshowSlide%3dtrue&Ux=0_ 

To shorten long URLs like this, you can go to http://tinyurl.com, plug in
the URL, and end up with http://tinyurl.com/5e7vb which will point to that
page. I've just started using tinyurl myself the last few days.

As for the clock..... yes, it may be authentic. Olds had clocks similar to
that mounted in the center of the steering wheel in the first several
decades of the century. They were rewound by the steering wheel's motion
back and forth.

That's all I know about it.

And thanks, Charles, for posting in plain text; it'll help the digesters
tremendously.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 13:27:20 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

At 08:02 AM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>> I run Thunder with 25% 114 octane leaded Trick Racing Gas ($5.25 per
>gallon)
>> and 75% 91 octane unleaded much of the time. She never sees less than 25%
>> 114, but is often more than 25% 114 up to 100% 114 when I'm feeling
>> squirrely.
>>
>> Milton Schick
>
>
>Will this mixture work  with an older/newer engine?  (cliche) I can get Cam
>2 here in NH, and I've been wondering if I could use that in my '78 350 sbc,
>and my '78 305? The 305 is in my Cutlass, so I hope this doesn't fall out of
>the Oldsmobile rules of posting. ;-/

You DO NOT want to use leaded gas if you have a catalytic converter. And
you only need the higher octane for high compression. Stock American car
engines built after 1976 were intended to be able to use unleaded gas. The
other consideration is you only really need leaded gas if your heads don't
have hardened valve seats; hardened valve seats were generally installed on
engines beginning about 1972.

So if your 1978 engines are still using 1978 heads, you'd gain nothing by
using higher-octane, leaded racing gas. And you'd kill your catalytic
converter with the lead.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:00:09 EDT
From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: hurst /olds 1969

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I will be listing  my 1969 Hurst olds for  sale soon. its a 1 owner car for 
over 33 years and has always resided in Arizona! This car has recently passed 
stae emissions and I drive it every couple of weeks or so.  Sheet metal is in 
wonderful condition too.  it has been certified by the Hurst/.Olds club of 
america as car # 129 out of 915! This  car is air conditione which makes it even 
more rare.  It retains many original impossible to find parts.  If interested 
in purchase please email me privately or call me at 480 570 8762.   warren    
Vvics442@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 10:53:26 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> You DO NOT want to use leaded gas if you have a catalytic converter. And
> you only need the higher octane for high compression. Stock American car
> engines built after 1976 were intended to be able to use unleaded gas. The
> other consideration is you only really need leaded gas if your heads don't
> have hardened valve seats; hardened valve seats were generally installed
on
> engines beginning about 1972.
>
> So if your 1978 engines are still using 1978 heads, you'd gain nothing by
> using higher-octane, leaded racing gas. And you'd kill your catalytic
> converter with the lead.
>
> SteveH
>

Thanks Steve for that info, I don't have a catalytic on either vehicle, and
they are both stock heads. I am still having a problem with dieseling/run
on, after I shut the engine off.
The 305 has 68K on it, and with 87 octane, if I pussy foot around town and
shut her off, it does its little "ya shoulda beat on me first" attitude.
It's embarassing. I've tried everything, brand new Q-Jet, and tuned it.
There's obviously oil that is seeping into the cylinders and is being
ignited after shut off.
Any more info is appreciated.
TIA

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:15:35 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs

I have NEVER seen a 70-72 Cutlass (not supreme) 4dr sedan for sale. How much
are these things worth? I was offered a 72 for a very reasonable price, that
needs only paint. I think I will buy it anyway, but I wonder, what is the
value of these things in nice condition, and WHY are they so rare?

Chris

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 12:15:07 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> There's obviously oil that is seeping into the cylinders and is being
> ignited after shut off.

Did you try replacing the valve seals? Not too hard of a job...

BTW, the 1971 Oldsmobile owner's manual says, "All Oldsmobiles built for the
1971 model year may safely be run on unleaded fuel." Also, interestingly
enough, I seem to remember seeing an emissions sticker for a 71 that called
for PREMIUM 91 octane fuel.

Chris

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:41:59 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> > There's obviously oil that is seeping into the cylinders and is being
> > ignited after shut off.
>
> Did you try replacing the valve seals? Not too hard of a job...
>
> BTW, the 1971 Oldsmobile owner's manual says, "All Oldsmobiles built for
the
> 1971 model year may safely be run on unleaded fuel." Also, interestingly
> enough, I seem to remember seeing an emissions sticker for a 71 that
called
> for PREMIUM 91 octane fuel.
>
> Chris
>
>

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 13:44:28 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

I plan on doing a mild rebuild for this winter.
Interesting that the '70 era engines required a higher octane.
Is that because of the CR on the engines?

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78


> BTW, the 1971 Oldsmobile owner's manual says, "All Oldsmobiles built for
the
> 1971 model year may safely be run on unleaded fuel." Also, interestingly
> enough, I seem to remember seeing an emissions sticker for a 71 that
called
> for PREMIUM 91 octane fuel.
>
> Chris
>
>

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:04:05 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

No, what's interesting about it is that in 1971, all GM engines cut their
compressions across the board: at least for Oldsmobile, all compression
ratios were advertised as 8.5:1.
Any 70 or earlier engine DEFINITELY requires premium gas.
Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Pat Swanton "swanny"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long


> I plan on doing a mild rebuild for this winter.
> Interesting that the '70 era engines required a higher octane.
> Is that because of the CR on the engines?
>
> Cheers
> Pat Swanton
> Winchester NH
> 1978 Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
>
>
> > BTW, the 1971 Oldsmobile owner's manual says, "All Oldsmobiles built for
> the
> > 1971 model year may safely be run on unleaded fuel." Also, interestingly
> > enough, I seem to remember seeing an emissions sticker for a 71 that
> called
> > for PREMIUM 91 octane fuel.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:11:39 -0400
From: jp <limitedattention@mac.com>
Subject: Advice Please: ???Cool-Flex Hoses???

Anybody tried tried Cool-Flex Radiator Hoses?

http://www.coolflex.com/

Comments Pro or Con?

Are there better choices for solid after-market  hoses?

I'm hooking up a custom 425 to a Griffin 4 core.

Thanks in advance,

jp

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:13:07 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

At 10:53 AM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I am still having a problem with dieseling/run on, after 
>I shut the engine off.

Ch*bbies seem to have a propensity toward doing that; my '79 MC did it
often, too. My '84 Elky did it for-bleeping-ever when I first got it and
still does, even after rebuilding the carb. But I'll admit I haven't put
the time/effort into fine-tuning the carb since putting it back on the
truck; it's still tuned for the 'Bu wagon. Yes, even though both the 'Bu
wagon and Elky have the SAME 220 V6, the carbs have to be adjusted
noticeably different for each engine. Don't ask me why. I know the 'Bu's
engine has over 225K miles but believe the Elky's only has around 160K or
thereabouts, I forget exactly what. So what I do nowadays is leave it in
gear when I shut it off. That doesn't completely stop the disseling but it
does shorten it quite a bit.

>There's obviously oil that is seeping into the cylinders and is being
>ignited after shut off.

The 'Bu definitely needs valve seals now so I'd say it's getting a bit of
oil into its cylinders. Yet, it's NEVER disseled. So I'd say that's not
your problem. Disseling is caused by extra air getting into the cylinders;
without air/oxygen, nothing can ignite in there. The most likely culprit is
some sort of small vacuum leak somewhere; could be as obnoxious-to-find as
a slightly-leaking intake gasket. When I had two small vacuum hoses cracked
and leaking on my '88 fullsized wagon with Olds 307, it would dissel when
it was particularly hot. After finding and fixing those hoses, it stopped
completely. You might check that your throttle is being completely closed
when the engine is shut off. If your '78 carb has some sort of idle motor
or solenoid, that may not be allowing the throttle to close sufficiently.
When the engine is stopped, the throttle should be resting on the idle
adjust screw that's on the body of the carb, located behind the throttle
lever. The idle speed motor/solenoid sets the idle when the engine is
running and usually compensates for the AC compressor being turned on and
on some cars (I think Frods in particular), when the power steering pump is
doing work such as turning a corner at low speed like in a parking lot.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 18:26:20 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

At 01:44 PM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I plan on doing a mild rebuild for this winter.
>Interesting that the '70 era engines required a higher octane.
>Is that because of the CR on the engines?

That would only be '70 and '71. By '72, almost all the manufacturers had
reduced CR considerably and by '73, most were down into the 8:1 or 9:1
range. That was one reason for the drastic drop in horsepower ratings in
addition to the shift toward SAE net terminology.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:41:02 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

The most likely culprit is
some sort of small vacuum leak somewhere; could be as obnoxious-to-find as
a slightly-leaking intake gasket. When I had two small vacuum hoses cracked
and leaking on my '88 fullsized wagon with Olds 307, it would dissel when
it was particularly hot. After finding and fixing those hoses, it stopped

<snipped>

I am also putting a new top end in, I plan on taking it off the road in
November, and will start anew. Thanks for the info. ;-)

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:48:15 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs

They are not worth much at all. Half price of a 2 door if not less.

Are you saying 4 doors are rare to find or a 4 door cutlass that isn't a 
supreme?

They are rare, because pop wanted the supreme options. And then they are 
also rare because they have been beaten into the ground, being 4 doors, 
just like the station wagons / vistas.

George

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Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2004 11:49:20 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

Warren:

I am interested. What's your asking price and can you email pictures? I am 
in CA, not too far away to come check it out if we get serious.

George

At 10:00 AM 9/5/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I will be listing  my 1969 Hurst olds for  sale soon. its a 1 owner car 
>for over 33 years and has always resided in Arizona! This car has recently 
>passed stae emissions and I drive it every couple of weeks or so.  Sheet 
>metal is in wonderful condition too.  it has been certified by the 
>Hurst/.Olds club of america as car # 129 out of 915! This  car is air 
>conditione which makes it even more rare.  It retains many original 
>impossible to find parts.  If interested in purchase please email me 
>privately or call me at 480 570 8762.   warren    Vvics442@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 15:41:55 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs

I've never seen a 4 door Cutlass of any kind for sale (Vistas aside). I've
seen pictures of the 4 door supreme, and it looks like a neat car without
the post in the middle :) but this one is a regular Cutlass, with the
standard "you'd be stupid not to order" PS, PB, a/c, etc. I've been looking
for something to learn to paint with, and if it's true that the car only
needs a paintjob to be near perfect, I think I'll scoop it up, I'm sure
someone out would want a very good-lookin 4 door!

- ----- Original Message -----

> They are not worth much at all. Half price of a 2 door if not less.
>
> Are you saying 4 doors are rare to find or a 4 door cutlass that isn't a
> supreme?
>
> They are rare, because pop wanted the supreme options. And then they are
> also rare because they have been beaten into the ground, being 4 doors,
> just like the station wagons / vistas.
>
> George
>
>

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 16:14:23 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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In a message dated 9/5/2004 10:04:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
Vvics442@aol.com writes:

Sheet metal is in  wonderful condition too.  it has been certified by the 
Hurst/.Olds club  of america as car # 129 out of 915! This  car is air conditione 
which  makes it even more rare.  It retains many original impossible to find  
parts.  If interested in purchase please email me privately or call me at  
480 570 8762.   warren    Vvics442@aol.com  


Is it numbers matching?
 
Vinny
68  H/O

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:08:51 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> Will this mixture work  with an older/newer engine?  (cliche) I can get
Cam
> 2 here in NH, and I've been wondering if I could use that in my '78 350
sbc,
> and my '78 305? The 305 is in my Cutlass,


As long as you have the compression ratio to use it. Higher octane fuel is
only used to prevent preignition and, of course, detonation. If your engine
has no preignition now, higher octane fuel will not do anything for you.
Preignition robs the engine of power. For high compression engines, high
octane fuel produces more power by definition because the high octane fuel
prevents preignition. Higher compression itself produces bunches of power,
which is facilitated by using high octane fuel.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 14:21:20 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> I am still having a problem with dieseling/run
> on, after I shut the engine off.
> The 305 has 68K on it, and with 87 octane, if I pussy foot around town and
> shut her off, it does its little "ya shoulda beat on me first" attitude.
> It's embarassing. I've tried everything, brand new Q-Jet, and tuned it.
> There's obviously oil that is seeping into the cylinders and is being
> ignited after shut off.
> Any more info is appreciated.


Leaking intake valves can contribute to Dieseling, as well as having the
idle set too high. Sometimes with an older engine, the idle needs to be a
little high to run the air conditioner properly while sitting at a stoplight
and when suddenly decelerating from hard braking.

The best way to stop Dieseling when everything else is as best as in can be
is to always shut the engine off in drive, with the idle drop of the
transmission in drive helping to shut the engine off. I've never had an
engine Diesel in drive on shut-off. Over the decades, I've gotten into the
habit of always shutting off all vehicles with the transmission in drive.
Then I put the shift lever into park.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 17:31:28 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> Leaking intake valves can contribute to Dieseling, as well as having the
> idle set too high. Sometimes with an older engine, the idle needs to be a
> little high to run the air conditioner properly while sitting at a
stoplight
> and when suddenly decelerating from hard braking.
>
> The best way to stop Dieseling when everything else is as best as in can
be
> is to always shut the engine off in drive, with the idle drop of the
> transmission in drive helping to shut the engine off. I've never had an
> engine Diesel in drive on shut-off. Over the decades, I've gotten into the
> habit of always shutting off all vehicles with the transmission in drive.
> Then I put the shift lever into park.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com


Thanks Milton,

I only have another two months to drive the Cutty so, I'll be doing a
complete top end on it for next year. I have a new Edelbrock performer, and
I'm trying to decide what cam I'll be getting for it. The heads will be sent
out for a 3 angle valve grind, and have them ported and polished  to match
the intake. I will probably go with an Edelbrock carb too. I know it's a 305
and it's not much to talk about, but other than the run-on, I can't
complain. I will have to bite the bullet so to speak and shut her off in
gear. The sad part is, I only have run-on when I'm driving like the little
old lady down the street. ;-)

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 19:47:24 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Re: Lansing Toro XS f/s $900/BO very rusty

2 Sep 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:
> Looks like a parts car to me Rear seat floor is GONE
> frame can't be far behind

> Stock 4B block 403, air cleaner lid off

> Owner seeking $900/bo

Our junk yards are full of cars in better shape than 
that, on the way to the crusher.  I'd give $250 if 
he could drive it here, the drive train would get 
recycled.  Bruce Roe

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 18:49:31 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs

5 Sep 2004  "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net> writes:
> I've never seen a 4 door Cutlass of any kind for sale (Vistas 
> aside).   I've seen pictures of the 4 door supreme

I think the original Cutlass was the fancy 2 door in 1961, 
the others were an F85.  By 68 I bought a 4 door Cutlass, 
a pretty big car with a  a 350.  With a 3 speed auto it would 
do 0-60 in 8.9 sec.  Later my 79 Olds 88 police car had a 
similar weight and drive train, but it could do ANYTHING 
better than the 68.  Quarter mile, mileage, space, or 
300,000 mile reliability, it was/is a more refined machine.  

There is an 81 4 door Cutlass Brougham and an 82 4 door 
Cutlass Supreme outside next to the 88.  I'm glad to buy 
the 4 doors that are worth almost nothing, but with the 
diesel option they are nearly free.  Bruce Roe

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:10:28 EDT
From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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No Vinny. But has the original correct  "D" heads and intake manifold 
etc.etc.

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:19:26 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds 1969

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In a message dated 9/5/2004 11:14:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
Vvics442@aol.com writes:

No Vinny. But has the original correct  "D" heads and  intake manifold 
etc.etc.


Just curious,    what is the buying  price?

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Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2004 23:50:11 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Cutlass 4drs

> the 4 doors that are worth almost nothing, but with the
> diesel option they are nearly free.  Bruce Roe

Hell, I'd pay for a diesel car if I could find one that isn't totally
trashed!!!
Chris

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Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 10:27:51 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: High Octane Fuel Mixture/OCA Nationals-A bit Long

> No, what's interesting about it is that in 1971, all GM engines cut their
> compressions across the board: at least for Oldsmobile, all compression
> ratios were advertised as 8.5:1.
> Any 70 or earlier engine DEFINITELY requires premium gas.

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Not exactly.  Olds made a lot of low compression big and small blocks in the
1970 and earlier years.  Very common, usually with 2 barrel carbs, in family
cars, etc.  They also made lower compression versions of practically
everything for export to countries that did not have high test fuel
available.

Regards,
Fred

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