
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 7 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5048



dual exhaust
RE: Wear patterns on tires
Re: dual exhaust
Entire Olds ML Archive now online!
71 Cutlass S  for sale
Good Olds Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday...
Re: dual exhaust
RE: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Hurst Shifter Info
Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?
Re: Good Olds sunday
Re: Ratio denotation
Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?
1976 Olds Cutlass 2 Dr. clean body. avail
Re: Good Olds sunday
Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?
Re: dual exhaust
Re: 1976 Olds Cutlass 2 Dr. clean body. avail
Re: dual exhaust
If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......
RE: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......
Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......
Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......
Re: Wear patterns on tires
new timing light recommendations?
Re: new timing light recommendations?
Re: Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 07:09:28 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: dual exhaust

Hi all,
     The catalytic converter is shot on my 76 toro. I am thinking about
removing it completely and installing true dual exhaust. My question, is
a cross over between the pipes necessary? Since I have to fabricate this 
thing what will happen if I don't use a crossover?
Milton are you out there?
Thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 06:57:22 -0500 
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: RE: Wear patterns on tires

Mr. Schick,

I received no replies to my previous post. My email can be spotty at times
so maybe some were sent that I didn't receive. In that it was buried down in
amongst other questions I thought I would try again. I did receive one reply
yesterday from Bob Edwards to check the shocks (thank you Mr. Edwards). I
looked at them last night and they appear to be in fine working order. I
will put the front on jack stands this weekend and give the front end a good
looking over. Don't quite know what I am looking for other than something
obviously wrong.

Thanks,



Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690


- -----Original Message-----
From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 7:23 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires


Pat,

Did you check out the items suggested to you when you posted this a week
ago? If so, what was the outcome?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

> I am having a tire wear problem on my 69 442
> Problem background:
> Completely rebuilt the front end (sans new springs -ride height was within
> spec) right before the alignment.
> BF Goodrich Radial T/A's have about 2,000 miles on them (one was replaced
> due to internal belt breakage)
> Been about 1K since alignment. Haven't hit anything that I know of since
;)
>
> The front pass tire is wearing into a "saw tooth" pattern around the
outside
> edge. Each individual tread block is raised along the front edge then
slopes
> backwards towards the trailing tread block. This makes a wear pattern that
> looks like a saw blade where each saw tooth is a tread block.
>
> Any Ideas as to what could be causing this? The car tracks well but does
> seem "loose" when hitting bumps and such.
>
> Pat Clark
> IGNITION INC.
> P 972-516-8700
> F 972-516-8690




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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:25:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: dual exhaust

it is not necessary but it will give a bit more torque
and a few more horspower and a bit quieter. Summit &
Jegs both have a universal kit. Later, Ken
- --- John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>      The catalytic converter is shot on my 76 toro.
> I am thinking about
> removing it completely and installing true dual
> exhaust. My question, is
> a cross over between the pipes necessary? Since I
> have to fabricate this 
> thing what will happen if I don't use a crossover?
> Milton are you out there?
> Thanks
> John Kelsey
> Dayton Ohio
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:54:37 -0500
From: Jeff.Easton@abbott.com
Subject: Entire Olds ML Archive now online!

I'm switching to a new web host that has lots of disk space.  So for the
first time ever I've got the entire Oldsmobile Mailing List Archives
available at once.  All 5000 (!) Digests can now be downloaded.

The Digests are now located at     http://442.jeffeaston.net

I'm still tinkering with some parts of the web site, but all digests
are now linked so you can grab them at any time.

Let me know if you have any problems with this new site.

- -Jeff
Jeff Easton
Grayslake, ILL
1970  442  4-Speed
see the Olds archives at its NEW location:  http://442.jeffeaston.net

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:59:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: 71 Cutlass S  for sale

 Hello  I have a 71 S, it
> was a Florida car. Frame rust-free, doors perfect,
> shell in great shape-quarters had small repair on
> the
> top of wheel lips and are fixed, floors almost
> perect,
> only a couple of pin-holes on the pass-side where
> your
> feet would rest. no holes in trunk. Pass. front
fender
> needs
> small fix at bottom. Running 350/350 original
> engine(70,000 miles) The interior/ bumpers/grills
are not included but can be purchased extra becuse I
need them for an other project. As is price is $1500.
Need to sell soon or I will be moving it to storage
then it won't be for sale.  I need the space for other
projects. 

> This car is an easy fix and would be an easy clone.
> Car is located near I-80 & I-76 near Lordstown, Ohio
> (big GM plant}  Call if interested at 330 307 3376. 
> Later. Ken 
> 

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:03:49 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Good Olds Saturday, Sunday and Tuesday...

I made major progress on an Olds project that has been languishing for 
quite some time now. I want this running before the snow starts to fall:

http://drbob.tqhosting.com/cherokee/455mockup02.jpg

That's just the mockup engine, and the pictures don't show the final 
engine-mount brackets that I just finished last night (there are sequential 
photos of the same name up to #16). The real powerplant for now is an 85k 
mile '72 Toro 455, into which I'm just going to put a new timing-set and 
requisite gaskets. That will hold me over until I optimize the the J-head 
torque motor.

Oh, yeah; this is all going into a '78 Jeep Cherokee (the old full-size 
one). :)


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:39:35 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: dual exhaust

> My question, is
> a cross over between the pipes necessary? Since I have to fabricate this
> thing what will happen if I don't use a crossover?

A crossover  smoothes out the impulses, aids cylinder scavenging, and reduces backpressure in comparison to a standard
dual exhaust. Torque increases slightly with the use of one. It also (in effect) doubles the frequency experienced by
both pipes and mufflers which reduce the rumble in the exhaust and provide a smoother tone.

Not using one will simply make the exhaust sound more lopey, and run slightly less efficient.

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:40:21 -0400 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

What about that steering wheel?  Looks like a stock Cutlass model to me.
Isn't the engine supposed to be red also?  Aftermarket velour(?) seats (no
H/O specific headrests).  Beige carpet (shouldn't it be black?).  Mirrors
don't look right either (not white).  Why no front view?

I'm no H/O expert, but it looks fishy to me.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
69 Cutlass S Convertible
[H/O Reproduction]

- -----Original Message-----
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com [mailto:HURSTOLDZ@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 1:42 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?


In a message dated 10/5/2004 9:41:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Vvics442@aol.com writes:
not really!   but thanks!! 
Oh'  I should have read the next email,   It IS  Dr. Vics  car!

Yo   Vic,    DOES the air cleaner come with the car????    Curious minds
want to know!

Vinny

Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle, Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program, President and Director
1-800-DRUGWAR

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 09:19:14 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hurst Shifter Info

Got my new Hurst shifter yesterday.  Since I could not wait on the 4 -5 week 
turnaraound to have mine rebuilt, I bought a second shifter, but without the 
installation kit.  It is identical to the one I have  had since 1976, except 
for the stick.  Part # 391-8014 fits a 68 to 72 Chevelle, with or without 
console.  The shifter itself has an off set to the center for the stick to 
bolt to.  That works out fine for my 70 4-4-2 with console.  I'll use my old 
stick with more bend in it and everything will look normal.

Hurst does not list a 4 speed shifter for the 68 - 72 4-4-2's, so I had to 
take a guess after looking through their catalog.  If this were a new 
installation, I would need to order a different chrome stick that is closer 
to the OEM stick, but I already have  one.

Now to get it installed this evening and head to the strip on Saturday!


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 07:27:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

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Saw this on Evilbay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15287&item=2492442353&rd=1
Real 69 Hurst Olds or a wanabee? Any list members know the car or 
owner?
- -----------------------------
it's been on 442.com once or twice already.  solid AZ car (so says the ad) so I don't understand why it would need everything.  But that air cleaner is rather hard to locate.  One did appear on realoldspower.com recently (IIRC).  The rims are repro'd, though not 100% correct.  I'm holding out for a 68 ..... and money .... and more importantly storage space.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
 

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<DIV>it's been on 442.com once or twice already.&nbsp; solid AZ car (so says the ad) so I don't understand why it would need everything.&nbsp; But that air cleaner is rather hard to locate.&nbsp; One did appear on realoldspower.com recently (IIRC).&nbsp; The rims are repro'd, though not 100% correct.&nbsp; I'm holding out for a 68 ..... and money .... and more importantly storage space.</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:28:58 EDT
From: Vvics442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Olds for sale?

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You're right TOM.  Your NO EXPERT!!!!   This a real 69 H/O!!  Paperwork and 
vin # verified!!  They made 2 types  of steering wheels the one you see and the 
sport wheel with the 3-spokes.   Engine was rebuilt in the late 80's and was 
not re-painted red at the time hence the color .  Interior was redone at 
around the same time I'm told and was redone in cloth with the carpet that you see 
as well. My only guess as to why the original owner recovered the seats in 
cloth is because of the extreme heat in Arizona.He recovered the head rests in 
the same material.   I have seen several H/O with the identical steering wheel 
that this car has.  The sport wheel was an option.The mirrors on the car are 
original.
Hope this helps!     If anyone has interest in car please Email me privately 
at Vvics442@aol.com            Vic

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 10:57:20 -0400
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@connect-one.com>
Subject: Re: Good Olds sunday

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At 06:14 AM 10/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:

>one note the caprice th350 is a Chevy bolt pattern it wont bolt to olds 
>bell housing.
>Ron

It's a diesel 350. :D

Anyone need a block?

Greg  Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser        80 Cutlass Calais               82 Buick Riviera
67 Cutlass Supreme      87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door       Roanoke, VA

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:54:24 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ratio denotation

In a message dated 10/6/04 3:22:02 AM Pacific  Daylight Time, 
James244@aol.com writes:
#673 = 2:56 & 2:78 ratios, 28  spline
#671 = 3:08 & 3:23 ratios,  28 spline
#588 = 3:42 &  anything numerically higher, 28 spline

And the oddball:
#672 = 3:42  & anything numerically higher, 31  spline
***The 31 spline axles  were offered in late 67-68 OAI cars only.

Does anyone have this  information for the 71-72 10 bolt cover posi units, or 
where might the info  be located?
James,
The 71 and  72 Olds 10 bolt corporate rearends used the same 10 bolt rearends 
as all GM A  bodies in 71 and 72, so all the parts from those years are  
interchangeable.  Furthermore, you can use the ring and pinion gears and  the posi 
carrier from GM cars and some trucks made as late as the mid  90's.  Parts 
for these rearends are plentiful and a lot cheaper to buy than  the Olds O type 
rearends.  Keep in mind, though, that there are other  variations of GM 
rearend parts that will not fit into the 10 bolt corporate  unit.  As long as you 
buy parts for a 10 bolt rearend with an 8.5 inch ring  gear, and 28 spline 
axles, you will be OK.  There are only two main posi  carriers that I am aware of 
and they break down like  this:

Posi Carrier Casting  Number                               Gear  Ratio
410409  (N)                                            2.56, 2.78      
410408  (N)                                            3.08, 3.23, 3.42, 
3.73,  3.91, etc.
The reason I put  the "N" into parentheses is that the casting number 
sometimes contains the  capital N and sometimes it doesn't.  I've seen it both ways 
and don't know  why it is like that.  I have also seen other posi carriers that 
are almost  identical to the ones listed here, but have different casting 
numbers.  I  think the one I currently have has the casting number of 725 on it, 
but not sure  about that.  It was reported to me that this carrier came out of 
a 71 Buick  GS, and the axles were identical to other 10 bolt corporate 
axles, even the  seals and bearings were the same.  There are also other gear 
ratios  available, but they came in different brands of GM cars, so I didn't 
include  them in the list.  I also have the part numbers of the rebuild kits, as  
well as the axle bearings and seals, if anyone is interested.  I don't have  
them with me here, or I would have included them.  It usually costs me  around 
$160 for the rebuild kit (which includes the carrier, pinion bearings and  
races, shims and crush sleeve), the axle bearings, races and seals, and the  upper 
control arm bushings.  I pay a certified mechanic to remove and  replace all 
the bearings, races and seals, and to set the rearend up to factory  specs.  He 
charges me a cool $100 cash to perform this operation, about  half what most 
others want around here.  Your local prices may be  higher.

Note to CB Witt: Thanks for pointing the ratio denotation  inaccuracy out to 
me and the List.  Of course, you are right.  Notice  I did not commit the same 
gaffe in the above tables.  Had I been more  vigilant previously, the offense 
would not have happened, as I merely copied and  pasted information that was 
forwarded to me by the author of the text.  I  also used spell checker on this 
post and tried to eliminate any dangling  participles and misused  
contractions.

If anyone needs  the P/N's for the bearings or seals, contact me privately 
off List.
Steve D  

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:43:13 -0500
From: "Jeff Carter" <blue442@odsy.net>
Subject: Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?

I think they are metric.

The GM hoses are junk and leak at the crimps.  Replacing won't help for
long.  You'd be better off having them rebuilt at a hose shop or deleting
the cooler.

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 15:03:45 -0700
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1976 Olds Cutlass 2 Dr. clean body. avail

Just thot someone on the olds list might be interested in this car.
I am in central Calif, and I just acquired a 1976 Olds Cutlass (thanks Yves 
for the correction)
This CA car was found abandoned at a local storage yard... pretty complete 
car,
but is missing some/or has damaged  items : missing carb, a/c compressor, 3 
rim center caps and radio, cracked  winshield, 350(dirty gritty oil), has an 
automatic, floor console, marroon inside and out, 76 Olds  (Cutlas) to be 
parted out or sold as is,, no papers, I can run a lien sale if desired(45$)
You can have the whole car for 300$ obo
Email me for any more info,  pics on request.



John  64 Super88

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:53:11 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Good Olds sunday

oops I assumed
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Pruett" <gregp@connect-one.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: Good Olds sunday


> At 06:14 AM 10/6/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> 
>>one note the caprice th350 is a Chevy bolt pattern it wont bolt to olds 
>>bell housing.
>>Ron
> 
> It's a diesel 350. :D
> 
> Anyone need a block?
> 
> Greg  Pruett
> 72 Vista Cruiser        80 Cutlass Calais               82 Buick Riviera
> 67 Cutlass Supreme      87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door       Roanoke, VA
>

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:57:44 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?

dealer illistration and part numbers are for line sets only.
 but i agree i think there  metric.
i replaced the ones on my 94 caprice and 89 k2500 3 times so far. on the truck i took hoses to hose 
shop and had braided lines made up useing my exsisting fittings, so far 2 yrs and not a problem
ron
- ---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Carter" <blue442@odsy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: GM Oil Cooler Line Fittings?


>I think they are metric.
>
> The GM hoses are junk and leak at the crimps.  Replacing won't help for
> long.  You'd be better off having them rebuilt at a hose shop or deleting
> the cooler.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> 

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:02:21 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: dual exhaust

x pipes are the ticket, gain on low end but loose slightly on upper end torque and hp.
car craft did article called brooklyn bridging. or something like that with different types of 
exhaust on a early 70's cutlass in ny
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin & Casey Olund" <kcolund@shaw.ca>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: dual exhaust


>> My question, is
>> a cross over between the pipes necessary? Since I have to fabricate this
>> thing what will happen if I don't use a crossover?
>
> A crossover  smoothes out the impulses, aids cylinder scavenging, and reduces backpressure in 
> comparison to a standard
> dual exhaust. Torque increases slightly with the use of one. It also (in effect) doubles the 
> frequency experienced by
> both pipes and mufflers which reduce the rumble in the exhaust and provide a smoother tone.
>
> Not using one will simply make the exhaust sound more lopey, and run slightly less efficient.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> 

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 22:05:24 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 1976 Olds Cutlass 2 Dr. clean body. avail

what would shipping be  to 08831 in nj
would save me from doing my qtr pnls and i could  then sell my qtrs
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:03 PM
Subject: 1976 Olds Cutlass 2 Dr. clean body. avail


> Just thot someone on the olds list might be interested in this car.
> I am in central Calif, and I just acquired a 1976 Olds Cutlass (thanks Yves 
> for the correction)
> This CA car was found abandoned at a local storage yard... pretty complete 
> car,
> but is missing some/or has damaged  items : missing carb, a/c compressor, 3 
> rim center caps and radio, cracked  winshield, 350(dirty gritty oil), has an 
> automatic, floor console, marroon inside and out, 76 Olds  (Cutlas) to be 
> parted out or sold as is,, no papers, I can run a lien sale if desired(45$)
> You can have the whole car for 300$ obo
> Email me for any more info,  pics on request.
> 
> 
> 
> John  64 Super88
> 
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> 
>

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Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:18:58 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: dual exhaust

John,

>      The catalytic converter is shot on my 76 toro. I am thinking about
> removing it completely and installing true dual exhaust.


Good.


> My question, is
> a cross over between the pipes necessary?


No, but...


> Since I have to fabricate this
> thing what will happen if I don't use a crossover?


Factory dual exhausts didn't use a "H" or "X" pipe between the exhaust
pipes, but you will have better performance if you do use a H or X crossover
pipe.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:13:31 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

Listmembers,

I got an e-mail from Gary Hartman, one of the founding members of our chapter 
of OCA a couple of days ago and just revised the index page of our website to 
spread the word.  Bill Brandt, a long-time member of the Heart of America 
Chapter lost seven cars in a fire at his warehouse in St. Joseph, MO.  If you 
stop by our chapter's website:(http://members.aol.com/kcoldsclub/index.htm) you 
can access a picture Bill sent to Gary of the carnage.  You can plainly see one 
1970 Cutlass or 442 convertible, another A-body (far right) Bill's late 40's 
88 as well as two 50's era Oldsmobiles.  Three of the cars involved have 
pictures posted on our Photo Galley page.  Here's an excerpt of the e-mail Bill 
sent to Gary (10/2/04):

- -- Gary,
   The unmentionable has happened to me. Lost 7 cars in a fire yesterday AM. 
All my Oldsmobiles, the Avanti, and the 99 Neon R/T. Man, where do I go from 
here? On the brighter side, I did just purchase a beautiful 87 Buick GN, 36000 
miles, and it was at home in the garage. Also leaves me with the 64 Chev that 
I have had since 1990. It was also at home in the garage. Don't know if I will 
be able to salvage anything from this mess but will try. --

The Avanti Bill mentioned was one he raced in the Silver State Classic, if 
that gives you any idea how serious he was with these cars.

Don't know any more at this time.  It sure makes me think really hard about 
what fire detection/protection measures I'll be installing in the garage I'm 
renovating at the house I grew up in.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:13:10 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:

>Listmembers,
>
>
>-- Gary,
>   The unmentionable has happened to me. Lost 7 cars in a fire yesterday AM. 
>>>
Hello
Very sorry too hear this nightmare....Murphy is always around :(
I have the same fears at times...now is one of them.
There is a volcano erupting just south of us over the border(Mt St Helens).
There is another volcano in plain view although inactive(Mt Baker).
Then today i heard that Golden ears mountain within walking distance of our house is a inactive volcano also(i never knew this).
There was a 6.0 in Cal. the other day(south of us).
Also heard Alaska has had some quakes recent(North of us).
Vancouver Island(just west of us) is on the fault line(and has had recent quakes),i heard that when it sinks the HUGE wave will flood all low areas(the river is not far from us).
Maybe the 3 Olds under a roof is not a good idea,,,roof fall down :O
Randy(Shake it up)H.
Maple Ridge B.C.
Canada.

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:34:05 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

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In a message dated 10/7/2004 12:17:41 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
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Bill  Brandt, a long-time member of the Heart of America 
Chapter 


WOW   
 
what a shame,    he IS insured   right?
 
Still hurts.
 
I have a question,   Is Bill the son of Karl Brandt from Rock  Falls, IL?
 
Vinny
68  H/O  #511
 
Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio
Pillars of Faith Tabernacle,  Pastor;
Victorious Overcomers Support Group
Substance Abuse Program,  President and Director
_1-800-DRUGWAR_ (http://victoriousovercomers.net/) 

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:41:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

Ken,

> It sure makes me think really hard about
> what fire detection/protection measures I'll be installing in the garage
I'm
> renovating at the house I grew up in.


That touches on a pet peeve of mine. Maybe you can help answer the question
with your aircraft and ANG experience.

For me, Halon 1211 has been the best fire suppression agent ever devised.
I've put out 2 car fires and one fire in the combustor of a turbine powered
aircraft ground support APU with Halon. The results were fantastic. I have a
5.5 pound Halon fire extinguisher in each vehicle and two 10 pound units in
our home. The last time I had to use one was about 10 years ago on a
roadside car fire. It cost an arm and a leg to refill it. Now, with Halon
totally banned, what does one use? The next best extinguishing agent is CO2.
Is there a replacement for Halon that really works?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:38:04 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Wear patterns on tires

Pat,

> Mr. Schick,


Don't do that. It's Milton.


> I received no replies to my previous post.


I sent this out before to help answer your question. Check out these items.
Description is one thing. Actually seeing it is much better.

Often, what you are describing is wear due to mechanical condition, i.e.,
worn ball joints, worn upper and/or lower control arm bushings, bad shocks,
and unbalanced tires will cause flat spots, cups, gouges, and wavy wear on
tire edges. However, you said you had all the front end parts replaced. The
following could also cause this problem:

tires improperly inflated
wheels and/or tires out-of-true
toe-in incorrect
uneven caster
incorrect toe-out on turns
steering gear incorrectly adjusted
eccentric or bulged tires
high speed driving on curves, particularly with incorrect tire and/or wheel
size or geometry or offset or all 3

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:20:57 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: new timing light recommendations?

Folks,

Now that I've got the ignition more or less sorted out, I'd like to 
get a new timing light. I've got a 20+ year-old Craftsman that works 
pretty well, but I'd like one that at least has a tach in it so I can 
start playing with vacuum and mechanical advances more accurately. 
MSD says the following in their FAQ "What kind of timing light are 
you using? Many lights have trouble reading the MSD's capacitive 
discharge multiple sparks. Dial back timing lights are not 
recommended. Try another non-adjustable light and check the timing 
again."

Toolsource.com has several under $200, one by Ferret, which is a 
brand I generally trust (it looks a lot like the MSD unit), and a 
couple from Equus and SPX. I'll paste the llinks below, but they're 
pretty long and thus might not work.

Any suggestions on what I should get?

John
68 442 convt. (top is down, but it's in the 40's in Virginia this morning!)

http://www.toolsource.com/ost/product.asp?sourceid=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolsource%2Ecom%2F&dept%5Fid=500&pf%5Fid=91509&mscssid=8A06M17185NG8LKK7XA4GP2U4K6TDX5B

http://www.toolsource.com/ost/product.asp?sourceid=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolsource%2Ecom%2F&dept%5Fid=500&pf%5Fid=73735&mscssid=8A06M17185NG8LKK7XA4GP2U4K6TDX5B

http://www.toolsource.com/ost/product.asp?sourceid=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolsource%2Ecom%2F&dept%5Fid=500&pf%5Fid=73807&mscssid=8A06M17185NG8LKK7XA4GP2U4K6TDX5B

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Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:38:40 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: new timing light recommendations?

This one seems pretty nifty!

http://www.iequus.com/item.asp?cid=20&pid=5568

John Alwasy Ready to Answer His Own Posts Livingston

68 442 convt.

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Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 06:12:36 -0500
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Fire Extinguishers, formerly Re: If This Doesn't Break Your Heart.......

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
There is indeed a replacement for Halon. It's HALOTRON I. See this page 
for some more details: http://www.amerex-fire.com/halotron.html. It's 
essentially environmentally-safe halon, as I understand it. I'm trying 
to purchase some of these for my datacenter, so if anybody has any 
experience with performance, I'd love to hear results in any situation.


- --Branson



Infinite Space Systems, Inc. wrote:

>*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
>Ken,
>
>  
>
>>It sure makes me think really hard about
>>what fire detection/protection measures I'll be installing in the garage
>>    
>>
>I'm
>  
>
>>renovating at the house I grew up in.
>>    
>>
>
>
>That touches on a pet peeve of mine. Maybe you can help answer the question
>with your aircraft and ANG experience.
>
>For me, Halon 1211 has been the best fire suppression agent ever devised.
>I've put out 2 car fires and one fire in the combustor of a turbine powered
>aircraft ground support APU with Halon. The results were fantastic. I have a
>5.5 pound Halon fire extinguisher in each vehicle and two 10 pound units in
>our home. The last time I had to use one was about 10 years ago on a
>roadside car fire. It cost an arm and a leg to refill it. Now, with Halon
>totally banned, what does one use? The next best extinguishing agent is CO2.
>Is there a replacement for Halon that really works?
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com
>
>
>
>  
>

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