
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, October 19 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5063



Re: switching to manual transmission?
Re: OCA judging- Received
RE: switching to manual transmission?
RE: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: Need H*lp w/Intrique Electrical Problem
Re: Need opinion on Engine Wiring Harness
Re: museum visit
Re: Need opinion on Engine Wiring Harness
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: more MSD headaches
Need H*lp w/Intrique Electrical Problem
Re: RE switching to manual transmission?
Re: switching to manual transmission?
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Re: speaking of license suspensions..
Drumroll please.... OCA results are in....
Re: more MSD headaches
museum visit
4-spd speedo cable woes & cautions
4-spd swap
Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
Value - 1956 Olds Holiday Super 88
Fw: Free Olds in Tarrytown NY ??

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:28:01 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: switching to manual transmission?

>
>
>And dadnabbit, ye've made me wax nostalgic agin, and made me miss
>rowing my Muncie  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\  Fortunately, I just happen to have
>THAT EXACT same Muncie sitting downstairs in the basement  ;o))))))
>Needs some synchros, shifter forks and a shifter but should be good
>to go then... 
>
>SteveH
>
Usually, I get folks misty-eyed only when my deodorant fails. Glad to 
oblige, in this case!

Time to start a new parts pyramid!

John
68 442 convt., on the road for the time being

- -- 
John Livingston
Library Media Specialist
Phillips Elementary
703 Lemaster Drive
Hampton, VA 23669
757 850 5155

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:26:16 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OCA judging- Received

OK, picked up the award and judging sheet this morning. I am satisified, 
that's what I needed to have.

The car got a score of 856, right about what I expected. I think the points 
deductions were, if anything, skewed in the car's favor- I have heard 
grumblings about folks feeling that too many points were deducted. I am 
looking into the "incorrect knobs on the radio," because that is what was on 
the car when we got it, and it seems unlikely that the knobs would be 
changed if the radio was not removed. But, that's what the judges' expertise 
is for- I suspect they are right, and "the unlikely" has happened on this 
car. To move to First Place would require sending a huge amount of money to 
Mr. Memmer, and then... never drive the car again. We'll take a nice 2nd 
place upon debut, and then driver her a lot instead!

At some pint in the future, I will address the other issues surrounding this 
Fiasco, in case any of you care, such as the lies that were circulated. To 
wit [see below]: Mr Blood's assertion that "Any judging done on the entry 
was... destroyed." Since I have that original judging form with my 
handwriting on it right here in front of me, I would have to say the 
evidence shows that it was NOT "destroyed". Therefore, that was a lie. 
That's the way I see it anyhow. I just about went Postal when I saw that, 
too. I am not used to being lied to like that, and treated thusly by my 
"friends" in the OCA. After all I done for the Oldsmobile hobby, too!

See ya at future meets!
I suggest you wear your asbestos underwear... in case the wife meets you!  
[She still says that an actual apology is in order, rather than a vague 
refence to the fact that "apologies exist".]

Chris Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

517-449-0432

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>From: "Bill & Liz Blood" <weblood@worldnet.att.net>
>To: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>CC: "Bob Casey" <yellowbird@golden.net>,"Steve &Lori Mestad" 
><stevemestad@earthlink.net>,<peyancey@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: OCA judging- clarification
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 13:17:48 -0500
>
>Dear Mr. Witt- As I stated earlier and as restated by Chief Judge Bob Casey
>and Meet Chair Steve Mestad, the preregistration  form was submitted by a
>non-OCA member and that the OCA number that shows on the form does not
>belong to the name on that form. Any judging done on the entry was 
>therefore
>invalid and destroyed. I certainly hope that you will register earlier and
>correctly in the future so your car can be legitimately judged and your
>efforts rewarded.
>Sincerely,
>Bill Blood, Meet Head Judge

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:26:14 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: RE: switching to manual transmission?

Thanks. I had a great drive into work this 
morning in the old beast, even w/o the Muncie.

You guys are getting me sorta fired up. A dangerous condition at my age!

John
68 442 convt. basking in the sun in the parking lot, right outside my window

>I just replaced the "old" competition plus in my 
>4-4-2 with a new one.  Didn't want to wait on 
>the rebuild turn around time.
>
>You want the 391-8014 shifter for the 69-72 
>Chevelle.  I used my old stick as it clears the 
>dash better, but the one that came with the new 
>shifter should be OK.  This particular shifter 
>has the offset built in to center the stick in 
>the middle of the console.  The chrome stick has 
>no offset.  As was mentioned earlier, you may 
>want a different stick, but that's up to you.
>
>You will need the 373-7834 installation kit 
>also.  This contains the mounting plate and all 
>the linkage for the shifter.
>
>go to http://go.mrgasket.com/pdf/hurst2001manual.pdf  for the catalog.
>
>
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>67 Vista Cruiser
>
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- -- 
John Livingston
Library Media Specialist
Phillips Elementary
703 Lemaster Drive
Hampton, VA 23669
757 850 5155

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:46:19 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: speaking of license suspensions..

Same deal in New York. If your insurance lapses and the tags are not turned
in a) civil penalties are incurred and b) your license is suspended.

You cannot cancel a insurance policy without getting a receipt from DMV for
your plates.

Worst part if stopped while under suspension new fines and a 50% surcharge
on your insurance for the next 39 months.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of SteveH
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:20 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


At Monday, 18 October 2004, you wrote:
>Bummer. Here in Connecticut they have a new trick. I had a
>beater Lincoln registered in my name that I no longer wanted
>to drive. Let the insurance lapse. Insurance company notifies
>Motor Vehicle Dept that car is not insured. MVD mails me a
>notice that insurance has lapsed, which I ignored. However,
>failure to return the registration plates resulted in my
>license being suspended. By the time I found out about it
>the fine was $340. Ouch.

They do that up in Massachusetts; I learned bout it not quite that
hard. Mass is weird; you arrange for your insurance with some local
agent (I dunno whether you can even get insurance in Mass without
going through a local agent/office). In my case in particular, I
chose a tiny "shop" just down the street from us carrying Progressive,
only because they were "right there" and super-convenient. But the
really nice thing was BECAUSE they were "right there" (just down
the street from our house), they took the extra time to do other
things for me. For example: in Mass, your insurance agent/office
will go to the DMV FOR YOU and get yer car registered; you just fill
out the paperwork and give them a check. They take yer papers and
those of other customers and someone goes downtown and does all the
waiting-in-line, etc. etc. Then they also bring back the license
plates. You can either pick them up from the insurance agent or sometimes,
like for me, they'll drop them off at yer home.

Anyway.... so the agents bend over backwards for you most the time,
like when yer late with yer payments or want to drop a car from
coverage. In Mass, you have to turn in the plates, like in Conn.
If you don't, they keep charging property tax (which Virginia also
does). So there's a good incentive for you to return the plates.
I don't know whether they suspend yer license for that, but they
will if yer late with yer vehicle property taxes.

SteveH



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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:58:20 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Need H*lp w/Intrique Electrical Problem

Jen Mignard wrote:
>
 > ...  The reason they were replaced was
>>because when it gets 50 degrees or cooler my electrical system 
>>flickered.

I think Greg has it down cold.  BTW: Greg, if you know an address for 
sending complaints about GM products then I'd appreciate you shooting it 
this way.  TIA

Just FYI though, last month my headlights started switching on and off 
when I turned left.  Then the automatic climate control heater would be 
totally black until the car ran for a few minutes.  The dealership could 
not find anything wrong during the first day (long story, suffice to say 
it is a lemon.)  On the second day they diagnosed an intermittent fault 
in the ignition switch.  The replacement seems to have gotten rid of the 
problem.

Not that this is really germane to the issue at hand but it is another 
data point for people experiencing odd electrical problems in an Intrigue.
- --

Cliff "Knowledge is power but wisdom is strength." Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:01:09 -0500
From: "Bob" <macs63rd@iols.com>
Subject: Re: Need opinion on Engine Wiring Harness

Hello Jeff
  I did. I ordered a engine harness complete and harness to headlights,
all from Fusick, worked like sliced bread.
Bob
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff and Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
To: Oldsmobile@Chebucto. Ns. Ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 3:22 PM
Subject: Need opinion on Engine Wiring Harness


> Has anyone out there bought any repro engine wiring harness??? or
> > know someone that did?
> >
> > What was their experience?
> >
> > Who did they buy it from??
> >
> > Other stuff I should know??
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jeff
> > 1969 442
> >
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:36:58 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: museum visit

bcroe@juno.com wrote:
> That boost helped get power somewhere near what we 
> later got without a supercharger.  Wonder if they had any 
> knock problems?  
> 
> The cars are great, but all the wooden buildings seemed 
> to be decaying badly.  
> 
> That use of 2 U joints at each wheel has the potential 
> to create a constant velocity joint, pretty clever.  But 
> that depends on the angle of the 2 U joints to just split 
> the wheel turning angle.  I wonder how it worked in
> practice.   Bruce Roe
> 
> 17 Oct 2004  John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net> writes:
> 
>>Hi All
>>   I just got back from Auburn Indiana. I spent most of the day 
>>at the auburn, cord, duesenberg museum. I highly reccomend 
>>it! They have way over 100 cars most in perfect condition. 
> 
> 
>>I was interested in looking at the front wheel drive set up on 
>>the cord. No CV joints they used two back to back u-joints 
> 
> 
>>The supercharger was driven by a shaft off of the crank 
>>and produced a whopping 5 inches of boost!
>>John Kelsey
> 
> 
> 
these engines were lycomings (owned by duesenberg) this was an in-line 8 
with dual overhead cams (I never thought about overhead cams in a flat 
head before) 32 valve 420 cubic inch engine 265 horse normally aspirated 
and 320 horse with supercharger. there was no mention of knock. The 
engine is a monster almost 6 feet long. The only other thing they 
mentioned concerned the cord and they said that with the transmission 
behind the engine it could not be shifted unless the car came to a 
complete stop. The cured the problem by moving he transmission in front 
   of the engine. Keep in mind these were all manual transmissions and 
the shift rod (only one) was about 8 feet long and guided thru guides 
and rollers to reach from the tranny back to the driver. I wonder how 
that worked out. By the way no wooden buildings. One nice brick building 
in decent shape and decorated inside in the art deco style.
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:41:00 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need opinion on Engine Wiring Harness

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In a message dated 10/18/2004 2:30:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
macs63rd@iols.com writes:
Hello Jeff
  I did. I ordered a engine harness complete and harness to headlights,
all from Fusick, worked like sliced bread.
Bob
I  like Fusick's harnesses myself


Vinny

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:35:00 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

Massivetwoshits is the worst state in the union.

Lets see if this makes it to the DMV

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> 

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:35:35 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

I haven't been too impressed with Jacobs products in the rotary (RX-7) 
world. My buddy's seems to crap itself every couple of years or so.
I'm looking at Crane, myself.

krw
On Oct 14, 2004, at 12:17 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:31:45 -0700
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: Re: more MSD headaches
>
> I have been watching this conversation , and I am thinking about 
> boosting my
> ignition. I have not seen any one mention Jacobs; what is the 
> difference
> between MSD and Jacobs. Is Jacobs any good or not, they recommend 
> replacing
> the stock HEI coil, with one of theirs.  Just wondering what you all 
> think.
> Rick Messenger
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:26:11 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Need H*lp w/Intrique Electrical Problem

With the right alternator, battery, and wiring, there should 
normally be no voltage dropout.  Sounds like poor engineering 
to me.  If the air motor put the total current drain above what 
the alternator could deliver, the battery must momentarily go 
into (lower voltage) discharge mode.  This effect should be 
minimal in a proper design. 

Bruce (EE) Roe

17 Oct 2004  "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:
> > Transient engine vibrations may
> > induce the generator to experience field discontinuity. This state 
> results
> > in a voltage spike that causes the voltage regulator to reset. 
> During this
> > period, the electrical system drops to battery voltage.
> 
> 
> I don't know how anyone else feels, but that's purely incompetent
> engineering to allow an engine vibration to interfere with a voltage
> regulator. That's simply unbelievable.
> 
> Milton Schick

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:12:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: RE switching to manual transmission?

> I don't think the flex plate/flywheel is externally balanced like a TC or
> clutch and pressure plate.


There is a counterweight on an Olds flexplate or flywheel, just like the
counterweight on the back of an Olds harmonic balancer. A clutch or pressure
plate is dynamically balanced to itself by the manufacturer when it's built.
A torque converter is also only balanced to itself. Otherwise, a TH400
torque converter couldn't be used on all GM engines, regardless. The same
problem would exist for clutch plates and pressure plates. If one goes bad,
the mechanic simply replaces the torque converter, clutch plate, or pressure
plate without concern to engine balance, what-so-ever. Only the harmonic
balancer, flexplate, and flywheel carry balance counterweights for an
externally balanced Olds.

The boring the end of the crankshaft for the pilot bearing will not affect
balance, because the mass removed is basically replaced by the installation
of the pilot bearing, and the small fact the material in question is very
close to the crank centerline, which makes most mass re-distributions
immaterial.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:19:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: switching to manual transmission?

> So, you willing to give me an opinion on the car's driveability if I
> stick with the current, numerically-low rear end and put in the
> Muncie wide ratio? Am I going to the bogging a bit starting out
> unless I beat the cr*p out of the clutch?


It's difficult to second guess how the mass of the car and the engine will
react to using a clutch instead of a torque converter. The one advantage of
a manual is the RPM can simply be raised before the clutch is released,
putting the engine in a RPM range where no bog will occur. It will also
depend on your skill with a clutch and stick. Practice, practice, and more
practice, and you should be okay.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:35:54 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

try nj with surcharges to put more monet in there grubby pockets
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Swanton "swanny"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> Massivetwoshits is the worst state in the union.
> 
> Lets see if this makes it to the DMV
> 
> Cheers
> Pat Swanton
> Winchester NH
> 1978 Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..
> 
> 
>> 
> 
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:36:28 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

jersey is the same way.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: speaking of license suspensions..


> Same deal in New York. If your insurance lapses and the tags are not turned
> in a) civil penalties are incurred and b) your license is suspended.
> 
> You cannot cancel a insurance policy without getting a receipt from DMV for
> your plates.
> 
> Worst part if stopped while under suspension new fines and a 50% surcharge
> on your insurance for the next 39 months.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of SteveH
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:20 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..
> 
> 
> At Monday, 18 October 2004, you wrote:
>>Bummer. Here in Connecticut they have a new trick. I had a
>>beater Lincoln registered in my name that I no longer wanted
>>to drive. Let the insurance lapse. Insurance company notifies
>>Motor Vehicle Dept that car is not insured. MVD mails me a
>>notice that insurance has lapsed, which I ignored. However,
>>failure to return the registration plates resulted in my
>>license being suspended. By the time I found out about it
>>the fine was $340. Ouch.
> 
> They do that up in Massachusetts; I learned bout it not quite that
> hard. Mass is weird; you arrange for your insurance with some local
> agent (I dunno whether you can even get insurance in Mass without
> going through a local agent/office). In my case in particular, I
> chose a tiny "shop" just down the street from us carrying Progressive,
> only because they were "right there" and super-convenient. But the
> really nice thing was BECAUSE they were "right there" (just down
> the street from our house), they took the extra time to do other
> things for me. For example: in Mass, your insurance agent/office
> will go to the DMV FOR YOU and get yer car registered; you just fill
> out the paperwork and give them a check. They take yer papers and
> those of other customers and someone goes downtown and does all the
> waiting-in-line, etc. etc. Then they also bring back the license
> plates. You can either pick them up from the insurance agent or sometimes,
> like for me, they'll drop them off at yer home.
> 
> Anyway.... so the agents bend over backwards for you most the time,
> like when yer late with yer payments or want to drop a car from
> coverage. In Mass, you have to turn in the plates, like in Conn.
> If you don't, they keep charging property tax (which Virginia also
> does). So there's a good incentive for you to return the plates.
> I don't know whether they suspend yer license for that, but they
> will if yer late with yer vehicle property taxes.
> 
> SteveH
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:47:59 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

I have been a read'in this for awhile, and I must admit to being
dumbfounded..., you guys are talking about America right?. And I thought
Washington State had some crazy laws. I certainly hope that no one from the
Washington DMV is a member of this list; If you are don't get any
ideas......., if you do, I promise I will never vote for another state
sponsored inishitive again !
Am I in trouble now or what.LOL
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:19 AM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> At Monday, 18 October 2004, you wrote:
> >Bummer. Here in Connecticut they have a new trick. I had a
> >beater Lincoln registered in my name that I no longer wanted
> >to drive. Let the insurance lapse. Insurance company notifies
> >Motor Vehicle Dept that car is not insured. MVD mails me a
> >notice that insurance has lapsed, which I ignored. However,
> >failure to return the registration plates resulted in my
> >license being suspended. By the time I found out about it
> >the fine was $340. Ouch.
>
> They do that up in Massachusetts; I learned bout it not quite that
> hard. Mass is weird; you arrange for your insurance with some local
> agent (I dunno whether you can even get insurance in Mass without
> going through a local agent/office). In my case in particular, I
> chose a tiny "shop" just down the street from us carrying Progressive,
> only because they were "right there" and super-convenient. But the
> really nice thing was BECAUSE they were "right there" (just down
> the street from our house), they took the extra time to do other
> things for me. For example: in Mass, your insurance agent/office
> will go to the DMV FOR YOU and get yer car registered; you just fill
> out the paperwork and give them a check. They take yer papers and
> those of other customers and someone goes downtown and does all the
> waiting-in-line, etc. etc. Then they also bring back the license
> plates. You can either pick them up from the insurance agent or sometimes,
> like for me, they'll drop them off at yer home.
>
> Anyway.... so the agents bend over backwards for you most the time,
> like when yer late with yer payments or want to drop a car from
> coverage. In Mass, you have to turn in the plates, like in Conn.
> If you don't, they keep charging property tax (which Virginia also
> does). So there's a good incentive for you to return the plates.
> I don't know whether they suspend yer license for that, but they
> will if yer late with yer vehicle property taxes.
>
> SteveH
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:53:15 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..

If Pat doesn't get it, then I am in the clear!
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pat Swanton "swanny"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..


> Massivetwoshits is the worst state in the union.
> 
> Lets see if this makes it to the DMV
> 
> Cheers
> Pat Swanton
> Winchester NH
> 1978 Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: speaking of license suspensions..
> 
> 
> > 
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:20:29 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Drumroll please.... OCA results are in....

18 Oct 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:

> They sent the award and judging sheet certified mail. It was 
> here Saturday, but apparently the mail man was too lazy to 
> bring it to the house.   We were here in the house all day, 
> no one knocked that I know of. So, I get to go 
> down to the station to sign for it this morning.

I once watched the mail put in my mailbox, then went out to 
get it.  There was a "failure to deliver" card requesting me to 
come to the post office.  I went down, and they said the post 
person is supposed to pull into the driveway and honk 
(which he did not).  I filled out their complaint form, it never 
happened again.    Bruce Roe

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:58:19 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches

Hmmmm, that's interesting, when your buddy's Jacobs "craps" it's self, does
he get in in the shorts? HA HA HA.
I would be interested to hear about Crane products.
Rick.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: more MSD headaches


> I haven't been too impressed with Jacobs products in the rotary (RX-7)
> world. My buddy's seems to crap itself every couple of years or so.
> I'm looking at Crane, myself.
>
> krw
> On Oct 14, 2004, at 12:17 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
>
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:31:45 -0700
> > From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> > Subject: Re: more MSD headaches
> >
> > I have been watching this conversation , and I am thinking about
> > boosting my
> > ignition. I have not seen any one mention Jacobs; what is the
> > difference
> > between MSD and Jacobs. Is Jacobs any good or not, they recommend
> > replacing
> > the stock HEI coil, with one of theirs.  Just wondering what you all
> > think.
> > Rick Messenger
> >
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>
> Kevin Wright
> krwright@sbcglobal.net
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html
>
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
>
> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!
> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be
> parts if someone doesn't buy it!
>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:30:03 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: museum visit

With the differential in front, I wonder how the trans could 
ever be in the rear?  

Its been a while since I was there.  Sounds like only the 
nice brick showroom (now museum) is left.  A good 
number of the original factory buildings were already 
gone (but on the picture) when I was there.

Bruce Roe

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004  John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net> writes:
> bcroe@juno.com wrote:
> > That boost helped get power somewhere near what we 
> > later got without a supercharger.  Wonder if they had any 
> > knock problems?  
> > 
> > The cars are great, but all the wooden buildings seemed 
> > to be decaying badly.  

> these engines were lycomings (owned by duesenberg) this was an 
> in-line 8 
> with dual overhead cams (I never thought about overhead cams in a 
> flat 
> head before) 32 valve 420 cubic inch engine 265 horse normally 
> aspirated 
> and 320 horse with supercharger. there was no mention of knock. The 
> engine is a monster almost 6 feet long. The only other thing they 
> mentioned concerned the cord and they said that with the 
> transmission 
> behind the engine it could not be shifted unless the car came to a 
> complete stop. The cured the problem by moving he transmission in 
> front 
>    of the engine. Keep in mind these were all manual transmissions 
> and 
> the shift rod (only one) was about 8 feet long and guided thru 
> guides 
> and rollers to reach from the tranny back to the driver. I wonder 
> how 
> that worked out. By the way no wooden buildings. One nice brick 
> building 
> in decent shape and decorated inside in the art deco style.
> John Kelsey
> Dayton Ohio
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:02:55 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 4-spd speedo cable woes & cautions

But presuming you use a non-Olds-type Muncie with the speedo gear housing
on the driver's side rather than Olds' usual passenger side, the TH400
cable should be the same; merely unscrew it from the 400's speedo gear
housing and screw it into the Muncie's. If the Muncie has the speedo
housing on the passenger's side, you'll probly need either an extension
cable or a longer cable.

Since only Olds used passenger-side speedo housings and no other GM
division encountered driver's-side speedo cable interference with the
shifter, I don't see why this would be a problem on an Olds.

SteveH
==================
I can
Just went thru this on the '66
Because the speedo drive exits trans on RH side, they ran the shift rod 
right thru the space the speedo cable needs if it comes out the LH side. We 
have a '69 Pontiac trans in the '66 442- came to us that way. Apparently the 
shifter and rods are '66 442. NO WAY the speedo cable and that shift rod can 
occupy the same space a the same time. So, I am going to trade my 1967 Olds 
trans that I have had since 1978 for the Muncie out of the '66 442, so the 
car will have pretty much the correct unit, and I get a refurbished '69 
Pontiac M21. I guess there exists a shift rod that would clear the LH speedo 
cable OK, but I do not have one. Besides, that would not be "correct" for 
this car.

CBWitt

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:08:54 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 4-spd swap

So, you willing to give me an opinion on the car's driveability if I
stick with the current, numerically-low rear end and put in the
Muncie wide ratio? Am I going to the bogging a bit starting out
unless I beat the cr*p out of the clutch?
============================
Wide Ratio trans M20 goes with economy gears.
M21 close ratio goes with sporty gears.

Here's the way I see it:
Top gear is 1:1 either way
Wide ratio means 1st gear is lower, numericaly higher, more tork 
amplification available.
That is needed if you do NOT have the sporty geared final drive.
Less tork mult at rear... need more in the trans.

Conversely, if you already have plenty of tork multiplication in the final 
drive, like 3.90 to 4.33.... then you do not need a really low 1st gear to 
take off with. So, you use the "close ratio" M21 trans.

CBWitt.

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:42:35 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car

It does exist - one of the regular car rags - Hot Rod, Pop. Hot 
Rodding, Car Craft - had and article on it. They actually got to drive 
it. Pretty neat car. Looks like the '68 'Sting Ray' 'Vette, but was a 
1964, with A-body suspension.
http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicles/96898/

krw
On Oct 13, 2004, at 8:55 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:49:59 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: FW: Re: '54 Olds F-88 Concept Car
>
>>   rob,
>>   not sure here, but pretty sure the vette came out in 53
>>
>> Rob [Yes, all Vettes can thank Olds for their heritage haha]
>
> I believe Pontiac was going to share the Corvette platform, but then 
> Ch*vy
> locked it up for themselves. Do I remember right? (And doesn't a 
> Pontiac
> prototype of some sort still exist, maybe in the Joe Bortz 
> collection...?)
>
> - -- Andy
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:10:57 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Value - 1956 Olds Holiday Super 88

Hi Gang,

Does anyone know what my car would be worth?

My 1956 Olds Holiday Super 88 runs and shifts well (we currently use it as 
a daily driver) and is very complete. However, there are some issues that 
need to be dealt with soon (e.g. rust is becoming a problem in the LS 
rocker and in the floor). Unfortunately, I have a great big project 
clogging my garage so I can't fix her or even keep her indoors, so I'm 
investigating the option of passing her along to a good home. It would be a 
great start for a restoration project.

She's a real head turner and I'm not sure I really want to sell her (my 
kids will scream!) but I'm investing options. Any idea what she's worth? 
Any hope of recouping about $4500CDN?

Sincerely,

Greg

P.S. There are pictures at my site (http://www.car-diaries.com/rocket/) .

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Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:47:20 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Fw: Free Olds in Tarrytown NY ??

Can someone help Bernie? He needs the contact info for the guy in Tarrytown,
NY, who has the free '65 F-85. I had already deleted that info from my
computer.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Rcktpwr2@aol.com>
To: <imp@theriver.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Free Olds in Tarrytown NY ??

> In a message dated 10/18/2004 7:40:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> imp@theriver.com writes:
>
> It was  someone else on the Olds List who posted it.
>
>
> Do you have any idea who? It be a shame to let an Olds go to waste. Im
sorta
> near there and I have a tow dolly. Im not sure if I even want it, but it
be
> nice to find out more info on it.
>
>    Bernie
>

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