
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, November 9 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5086



Re: 425 Magnetic Oil Drain Plug?????
RE: Putting the '65 up for sale
'77 Olds 350 woes
Non-Olds. humor, for the week.
Re: '77 Olds 350 woes
Re: Non-Olds. humor, for the week.
Re: Water Pump
Re: Water Pump
Misc 70 Cutlass issues
Re: Misc 70 Cutlass issues
Re: Water Pump
Re: Dangling 68 Toro
Re: 69 Cutlass front bumper
RE: The Incredibles [Olds Sighting]
Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys... CRANKSHAFT?
Re: Water Pump
Re: Water Pump
Re: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys...CRANKSHAFT?
Re: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney        Boys...CRANKSHAFT?

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:09:09 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 425 Magnetic Oil Drain Plug?????

I wouldn't put epoxy inside the engine.

I have a magnet from an earth seismometer in my oil pan (my grandfather
gave it to me, he used them when he looked for oil for Texaco).  It is very
strong and very compact (a cylinder about 3/4 inch diameters by 1.5" tall)
- - I have absolutely no reservations about it being there whatsoever.

At 09:58 AM 11/08/2004 -0500, NUOLDSMAN@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 11/7/04 5:11:25 PM Pacific  Standard Time,
k0xp@dandy.net 
>writes:
>What you could do, since you do  have a fairly wide surface on that large
>drain plug, is to epoxy a magnet to  its baskside. There's enough room. Devon
>Epoxy Steel Putty should be  chemically stable enough to withstand continuous
>hot oil emmersion. The Right  Stuff gasket sealer might also work to glue a
>magnet to the drain plug.  
>
>Steve, Listers,
>      I think I recall seeing the plug you are  referring to and it is
huge.  
>Why can't you take a good magnet and just  stick it to the inside of the
plug 
>and be done with it?  We have some  magnets at work that really stick to a 
>metal surface and are just about  impossible to remove.  I would think one
of 
>these would stay put when  installed in the pan no matter what.  Just my .02 
>cent's worth,
>the other Steve
> 

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 22:52:36 -0500
From: "Daniel Burk" <dan@ws6transam.org>
Subject: RE: Putting the '65 up for sale

>Is this a whole car?

Yes, this is the whole car from wheels to roof. I bought it, had it
delivered, saw it start up, back off the trailer, and drive into the back
lot. It has an easy-to-start, nicely running 330 2bbl, an aging 1980's gold
paint job, and not much rust for a 40 year old car. The quarters are
bubbling up, and I can tell that some rust repair has been done in the past.
Someone installed a used gold Cutlass interior into the car, but from the
mid 1980's to mid 1995, the interior finally broke up and gave out. I've
ripped out the old black carpet and removed the seats. I've removed the
shredded seat cushion from the driver's seat frame, and re-riveted in the
steel into the floorboards where someone tried to repair the floors. I'm
guessing that in 1985-ish there were not any A-body floor pan replacement
panels available. The floorpans are pinholed so I'd cut them out and MIG in
some new metal. There doesn't appear to be any bondo, except in the doors,
and in the lower driver's side front fender.

The front fenders and inner fender liners are mostly rust free. The front
bumper isn't. The radiator is not original, and the reason is it's obvious
the car was in some kind of minor collision that crunched the hood and
fenders, warranting their replacement. All trim (from what I can tell) is
located in the trunk of the car and it looks to be straight and in good
shape. I was going to build it into a driver for next summer, but I dont
honestly have the time to do it properly, so I am going to pass it on, and
try again in a couple more years.

I bought a center console off Ebay with tach, and an original 1965
dealership fabric sample book that I'll toss in. Also, The title is now
officially in my safe and ready for sign-over.

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Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2004 22:16:10 -0600
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: '77 Olds 350 woes

Hey list-

Well... an old friend of mine had an Olds 350 with a TH-350 tacked to the 
back of it.  Not needing it anymore, he sold the pair to me for $250.  I 
didn't think that was too bad.    I was wrong.

I got it back to the garage, hoisted it up on the engine stand, pulled a 
bunch of garbage off and pulled a valve cover.   There was quite a bit of 
rust.   I pulled the rocker arms off and the pushrods. The engine didn't 
want to turn.  An overnight soaking in Oil helped a bit and now it's 
spinning free.

I'm not sure how far gone it is.   The motor only had 80,000 miles on it, 
and the lifter valley was very clean, minus some surface rust.  The heads 
had a lot of burned on oil around the center exhaust area.  It will be 
getting a new Cam, lifters, rockers, timing chain and oil pump, for sure...

This engine will be going into a daily driver... I'm not sure how expensive 
it would be to bore it out .010 over and get new piston rings for it. Or, if 
it would be foolish just to let it go the way it is.

Any advice?

On digest mode
Scott White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 20:26:11 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Non-Olds. humor, for the week.

Hi guys; my niece sent me this, she swears it's true, and of course I
believe it. It gave me a good laugh, hope it does the same for you. Also,
now that the election is over, if you want a good political laugh, go to
www.whitehouse.org. I do not know any of your political persuasions. As for
myself, I am a staunch, critical thinking Christian independent..........,
who is able to laugh at himself...., which I must do more often than not,
since I have feet of iron and clay; God is not done with me yet.., Amen. I
still like to keep an open mind. It's a hoot anyway you look at it.
Have a great week all!

Rick Messenger
76 Olds.98


> This is even funnier when you realize it's TRUE! The next time you have a
> bad day at work...think of this guy.
> >
> >       Rob is a commercial saturation diver for Global Divers in
Louisiana.
> He performs underwater repairs on offshore drilling rigs. Below is an
E-mail
> he sent to his sister. She then sent it to a radio station 103.2 on FM
dial
> in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, which was sponsoring a worst job experience
contest.
> Needless to say, she won.
> >
> >       Hi Sue:
> >
> >       Just another note from your bottom-dwelling brother. Last week I
had
> a bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling down lately at work,
so
> I thought I would share my dilemma with you to make you realize it's not
so
> bad after all. Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first must
bore
> you with a few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office lies at
the
> bottom of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wet suit. This time
> of year the water is quite cool. So what we do to keep warm is this:  We
> have a diesel powered industrial water heater. This $20,000 piece of
> equipment sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to a delightful
> temperature. It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose,
which
> >       is taped to the air hose. Now this sounds like a darn good plan,
and
> I've used it several times with no complaints. What I do, when I get to
the
> bottom and start working, is take the hose and stuff it down the back of
my
> wet suit. This floods my whole suit with warm water. It's like working in
a
> Jacuzzi. Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my butt started
to
> itch.  So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things worse. Within
a
> few seconds my butt started to burn. I pulled the hose out from my back,
but
> the
> >       damage was done. In agony I realized what had happened. The hot
> water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into my suit. Now,
> since I don't have any hair on my back, the jellyfish couldn't stick to
it.
> However, the crack of my butt was not as fortunate. When I scratched what
I
> thought was an itch, I was actually grinding the jellyfish into the crack
of
> my butt. I informed the dive supervisor of my dilemma over the
communicator
> His instructions were unclear due to the fact that he, along with five
other
> divers, were all laughing hysterically. Needless to say I aborted the
dive.
> I was instructed to make three agonizing in-water decompression stops
> totaling thirty-five minutes before I could reach the surface to begin my
> chamber dry decompression. When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing
> nothing but my brass helmet. As I climbed out of the water, the medic,
with
> tears of laughter running down his face, handed
> >       me a tube of cream and told me to rub it on my butt as soon as I
got
> in the chamber. The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for two
days
> because my butt was swollen shut. So, next time you're having a bad day at
> work, think about how much worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved
> up your butt. Now repeat to yourself, "I love my job, I love my job, I
love
> my job!!!
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:27:39 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 350 woes

if its out i would take the time to pull the heads and check the cyl for large rust  build up that 
may crack a ring and cost you more cash down the road.
just my 2 cents
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:16 PM
Subject: '77 Olds 350 woes


> Hey list-
>
> Well... an old friend of mine had an Olds 350 with a TH-350 tacked to the back of it.  Not needing 
> it anymore, he sold the pair to me for $250.  I didn't think that was too bad.    I was wrong.
>
> I got it back to the garage, hoisted it up on the engine stand, pulled a bunch of garbage off and 
> pulled a valve cover.   There was quite a bit of rust.   I pulled the rocker arms off and the 
> pushrods. The engine didn't want to turn.  An overnight soaking in Oil helped a bit and now it's 
> spinning free.
>
> I'm not sure how far gone it is.   The motor only had 80,000 miles on it, and the lifter valley 
> was very clean, minus some surface rust.  The heads had a lot of burned on oil around the center 
> exhaust area.  It will be getting a new Cam, lifters, rockers, timing chain and oil pump, for 
> sure...
>
> This engine will be going into a daily driver... I'm not sure how expensive it would be to bore it 
> out .010 over and get new piston rings for it. Or, if it would be foolish just to let it go the 
> way it is.
>
> Any advice?
>
> On digest mode
> Scott White
> 93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
> 86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
> 70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
> 55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 23:56:32 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds. humor, for the week.

i thought that was great
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: "Oldsmobile List Group" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:26 PM
Subject: Non-Olds. humor, for the week.


> Hi guys; my niece sent me this, she swears it's true, and of course I
> believe it. It gave me a good laugh, hope it does the same for you. Also,
> now that the election is over, if you want a good political laugh, go to
> www.whitehouse.org. I do not know any of your political persuasions. As for
> myself, I am a staunch, critical thinking Christian independent..........,
> who is able to laugh at himself...., which I must do more often than not,
> since I have feet of iron and clay; God is not done with me yet.., Amen. I
> still like to keep an open mind. It's a hoot anyway you look at it.
> Have a great week all!
> 
> Rick Messenger
> 76 Olds.98
> 
> 
>> This is even funnier when you realize it's TRUE! The next time you have a
>> bad day at work...think of this guy.
>> >
>> >       Rob is a commercial saturation diver for Global Divers in
> Louisiana.
>> He performs underwater repairs on offshore drilling rigs. Below is an
> E-mail
>> he sent to his sister. She then sent it to a radio station 103.2 on FM
> dial
>> in Ft. Wayne, Indiana, which was sponsoring a worst job experience
> contest.
>> Needless to say, she won.
>> >
>> >       Hi Sue:
>> >
>> >       Just another note from your bottom-dwelling brother. Last week I
> had
>> a bad day at the office. I know you've been feeling down lately at work,
> so
>> I thought I would share my dilemma with you to make you realize it's not
> so
>> bad after all. Before I can tell you what happened to me, I first must
> bore
>> you with a few technicalities of my job. As you know, my office lies at
> the
>> bottom of the sea. I wear a suit to the office. It's a wet suit. This time
>> of year the water is quite cool. So what we do to keep warm is this:  We
>> have a diesel powered industrial water heater. This $20,000 piece of
>> equipment sucks the water out of the sea. It heats it to a delightful
>> temperature. It then pumps it down to the diver through a garden hose,
> which
>> >       is taped to the air hose. Now this sounds like a darn good plan,
> and
>> I've used it several times with no complaints. What I do, when I get to
> the
>> bottom and start working, is take the hose and stuff it down the back of
> my
>> wet suit. This floods my whole suit with warm water. It's like working in
> a
>> Jacuzzi. Everything was going well until all of a sudden, my butt started
> to
>> itch.  So, of course, I scratched it. This only made things worse. Within
> a
>> few seconds my butt started to burn. I pulled the hose out from my back,
> but
>> the
>> >       damage was done. In agony I realized what had happened. The hot
>> water machine had sucked up a jellyfish and pumped it into my suit. Now,
>> since I don't have any hair on my back, the jellyfish couldn't stick to
> it.
>> However, the crack of my butt was not as fortunate. When I scratched what
> I
>> thought was an itch, I was actually grinding the jellyfish into the crack
> of
>> my butt. I informed the dive supervisor of my dilemma over the
> communicator
>> His instructions were unclear due to the fact that he, along with five
> other
>> divers, were all laughing hysterically. Needless to say I aborted the
> dive.
>> I was instructed to make three agonizing in-water decompression stops
>> totaling thirty-five minutes before I could reach the surface to begin my
>> chamber dry decompression. When I arrived at the surface, I was wearing
>> nothing but my brass helmet. As I climbed out of the water, the medic,
> with
>> tears of laughter running down his face, handed
>> >       me a tube of cream and told me to rub it on my butt as soon as I
> got
>> in the chamber. The cream put the fire out, but I couldn't poop for two
> days
>> because my butt was swollen shut. So, next time you're having a bad day at
>> work, think about how much worse it would be if you had a jellyfish shoved
>> up your butt. Now repeat to yourself, "I love my job, I love my job, I
> love
>> my job!!!
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> 
>

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:10:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

> Actually it only overheats when sitting stationary for a period of around
> 10 minutes.


That's a classic symptom of a clogged radiator. Techincally, the car should
be able to sit around with the engine running all day long and never
overheat, even on the hottest day of the year.


> And the radiator water starts to boil so I know that it's
> circulating.


The radiator isn't blocked before overheating occurs. A 20% reduction in
coolant flow is more than enough to cause overheating.


> The water is just not cooling enough because the fan does
> not appear to be kicking on as it should...I don't know if the fan itself
> is shot or if it's a connection issue or something, hard to say.


The fan is thermostatically controlled. The setting may be out of adjustment
or bad. However, don't expect the fan to come on until the coolant temp is
at least 190F.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 01:15:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

> One additional question I might have regarding it
> though, is that fan linked to a fuse by chance that might have blown or
> something?


Before, you said the fan wasn't coming on soon enough. Now, it's not coming
on at all???

Yes, the fan circuit has a fuse. However, the fuse blowing is a dead
giveaway that something is shorting out or is bad in some other way.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:51:01 -0500
From: "David Popadic" <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Misc 70 Cutlass issues

My buddy just recently bought a 1970 Cutlass S.  He has a few issues 
with it, if anybody has any ideas...

1) There is a gap is above the grills.  Hood and bumper seem to line up 
okay.  But the grills, headlight bezels, and trim seem to be too low.  
More so in the center than at the outer edges.  Also note that these are 
442 grills and a W-30 hood in a Cutlass S.  Not sure if that makes a
difference.  All of this was like this when we bought it.

2) Can anyone email me the following - the wiring diagrams for the dash, 
interior, and front end including engine.

3) Not sure if this is the original motor or intake but the 4 bl 
Rochester has a choke heater submerged in the intake.  The plate that 
covers the heating tube had gasket sealer on it buy no gasket.  It blew 
out so exhaust leaks from that.  Any ideas on how to fix this?  Do they 
make a gasket for this?  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Dave
67 Cutlass Convertible
67 442 Driveable Parts Car

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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 09:28:06 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Misc 70 Cutlass issues

At 08:51 AM 11/9/2004, you wrote:
>My buddy just recently bought a 1970 Cutlass S.  He has a few issues
>with it, if anybody has any ideas...
>
>1) There is a gap is above the grills.  Hood and bumper seem to line up
>okay.  But the grills, headlight bezels, and trim seem to be too low.
>More so in the center than at the outer edges.  Also note that these are
>442 grills and a W-30 hood in a Cutlass S.  Not sure if that makes a
>difference.  All of this was like this when we bought it.

Body-fit was never one of the strong-points of American cars from this era. 
Sometimes the things you mention are adjustable through shims or slotted 
holes, or perhaps the fender trim is attached to the front of the fenders 
incorrectly (BTDT). It sounds like whoever fitted the different grille and 
hood never did the final adjustments.

>2) Can anyone email me the following - the wiring diagrams for the dash,
>interior, and front end including engine.

Sorry, don't have a scanner. :(

>3) Not sure if this is the original motor or intake but the 4 bl
>Rochester has a choke heater submerged in the intake.  The plate that
>covers the heating tube had gasket sealer on it buy no gasket.  It blew
>out so exhaust leaks from that.  Any ideas on how to fix this?  Do they
>make a gasket for this?  Any ideas?

There are gaskets for this, but a high-temp sealer is probably your easiest 
bet, if you don't have a spare gasket-set around.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:14:43 -0000 (GMT)
From: "Torry Crass" <torryc@thinkingimpared.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

Actually, I never said there was a delay, I said I did not know for
certian until the other day that it was not coming on, period.  I never
said it 'was' coming on because frankly I didn't know but I thought it
might not be.  This is not a new problem, I've suspected this to be the
case for some time.  As for water temperature kicking the fan on... even
once the water 'in' the radiator is boiling (212 degrees if I recall) the
fan does not come on, thus there is a problem with the fan. Although a
small clog 'may' be contributing to it I'm led more to believe that the
fan not coming on is a bigger contributor to the situation.

And to pre-clarify I did not "say" that a fuse was blown, I merely asked
if it is hard-wired or had a fuse.  I have not checked and do not know but
it was something I thought of in passing while writing a response
yesterday.

I plan on having the radiator flushed and such on Thursday anyhow,
assuming I have the funds for it.  And while they're at it probably
checking the fan issue as well since it's dark when I get off work so I
don't think I'm going to get a chance to look into it.

~Torry

>> One additional question I might have regarding it
>> though, is that fan linked to a fuse by chance that might have blown
>> or something?
>
>
> Before, you said the fan wasn't coming on soon enough. Now, it's not
> coming on at all???
>
> Yes, the fan circuit has a fuse. However, the fuse blowing is a dead
> giveaway that something is shorting out or is bad in some other way.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:07:43 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dangling 68 Toro

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Anyhow, ol' boy's hleper gets down to GA and back regularly, and might 
be 
able to find me a '68 post coupe body shell, trade for my rusty old 
good 
running Jeep CJ7. That'd be cool.

4-piston calipers on that there '68 Toro...
Destined to be part of the dual-engine 1958 Wagon that Dr. Oldmobile is 
concocting.
====================================================
donor for the 68 W-30 post??!?!?!?!  exxxceeeellent.  You need to do that car, but you already knew that. :-)
 
Chris (in lurk mode) Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 Cutlass S W-31   slowly moving along
1970 F-85   emissions friendly
1969 442 parts car
1970 F-85 parts car, which I'll finally be bringing home next spring
and lots of parts for sale


			
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<DIV>
<DIV>Anyhow, ol' boy's hleper gets down to GA and back regularly, and might <BR>be <BR>able to find me a '68 post coupe body shell, trade for my rusty old <BR>good <BR>running Jeep CJ7. That'd be cool.<BR><BR>4-piston calipers on that there '68 Toro...<BR>Destined to be part of the dual-engine 1958 Wagon that Dr. Oldmobile is <BR>concocting.<BR>====================================================</DIV>
<DIV>donor for the 68 W-30 post??!?!?!?!&nbsp; exxxceeeellent.&nbsp; You need to do that car, but you already knew that. :-)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris (in lurk mode) Smetana</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1969 Cutlass S W-31&nbsp;&nbsp; slowly moving along</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85&nbsp;&nbsp; emissions friendly</DIV>
<DIV>1969 442 parts car</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 parts car, which I'll finally be bringing home next spring</DIV>
<DIV>and lots of parts for sale</DIV></DIV><p>
	
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:14:39 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass front bumper

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I didn't see anyone reply to this, so I'll add my two cents.
 
 
I e-mailed Midwest Restoration Parts, they thought "to rechrome the 
bumper would be $250.00 that will cover most ding and dent removal."
===================================================
"most" ding and dent removal?  So that means there will be _some_ dings and dents still in the bumper AFTER it gets rechromed.
 

Does anybody have any history with Midwest Restoration Parts?
==============================================
nope, never heard of them


Does $250 sound reasonable?
======================
maybe.  maybe not.  depends on what you want

Any other thoughts?
===============
Mark, like I said, it depends on what you want.  If you have a little bit more money ($330?) then send your bumper to Tri-City Plating in TN.  If $250 is your budget and you want a nice driver quality bumper, send it to Bob Cline at Desert Dog Auto Parts northwest of Chicago.
 
Chris (apparantly out of lurk mode for the moment) Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 

			
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<DIV>I didn't see anyone reply to this, so I'll add my two cents.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I e-mailed Midwest Restoration Parts, they thought "to rechrome the <BR>bumper would be $250.00 that will cover most ding and dent removal."<BR>===================================================</DIV>
<DIV>"most" ding and dent removal?&nbsp; So that means there will be _some_ dings and dents still in the bumper AFTER it gets rechromed.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>Does anybody have any history with Midwest Restoration Parts?</DIV>
<DIV>==============================================</DIV>
<DIV>nope, never heard of them</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Does $250 sound reasonable?</DIV>
<DIV>======================</DIV>
<DIV>maybe.&nbsp; maybe not.&nbsp; depends on what you want<BR><BR>Any other thoughts?</DIV>
<DIV>===============</DIV>
<DIV>Mark, like I said, it depends on what you want.&nbsp; If you have a little bit more money ($330?) then send your bumper to Tri-City Plating in TN.&nbsp; If $250 is your budget and you want a nice driver quality bumper, send it to Bob Cline at Desert Dog Auto Parts northwest of Chicago.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris (apparantly out of lurk mode for the moment) Smetana</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><p>
	
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:09:50 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: The Incredibles [Olds Sighting]

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Why did she stare at you oddly?  Did she confuse it with a 64?
=============================================
Well, some would argue Karl is a bit of an odd fellow.  :-))))  Hey buddy, can't let you think I've fallen off the face of the earth.
 
Chris (in lurk mode) Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 

			
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<DIV><BR>Why did she stare at you oddly?&nbsp; Did she confuse it with a 64?<BR>=============================================</DIV>
<DIV>Well, some would argue Karl is a bit of an odd fellow.&nbsp; :-))))&nbsp; Hey buddy, can't let you think I've fallen off the face of the earth.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris (in lurk mode) Smetana</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:18:56 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys... CRANKSHAFT?

>From: carpart_intmotor1@doramail.com
>To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>Subject: Question for item #4500958084 - CRANKSHAFT Olds 330 Forged Steel 
>MT Fresh 10-10 Grind
>Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:32:52 -0800
>
>Dear *the*rocketscientist,
>
>HI, Am an automerchant of years of experience with an arrayof
>clientsaround the coast of europe and africa,a client has placed a quote on 
>your
>crankshaft and the need to get intouch to you for the buy it no price.Will
>you be able to accept a cashier check as a mode ofpayment?,my client has
>said he will only raise a certified cashiers check for the payment of
>your item and the shipping charges from the united States to it's new
>origin.This means the cashier's check that will be sent to you will
>include the money for the sales of your item, my commission as an
>automerchant and the shippers fees.What i want to clarify is that will you 
>be
>able to send the excess fund on the check back to me through Western Union
>Money Transfer method as soon as you get the and cash it and deduct the
>money for the sales of your item? Please your answer on this, will
>enable me to issue a directive to my client on the issuance of your payment
>to you asap.Do get back to me with your c
>
>To respond to the question online, go to the URL below. You will have the 
>option to display your response directly on your item page.
>
>http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?RespondToQuestion&iid=4500958084&qid=339893985
>
>================================================================================
>Item # / Item Title                                        End Date
>================================================================================
>4500958084                                                 Nov-09-04
>CRANKSHAFT Olds 330 Forged Steel MT Fresh 10-10 Grind
>
>
>Thank you,
>carpart_intmotor1
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 14:20:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

> As for water temperature kicking the fan on... even
> once the water 'in' the radiator is boiling (212 degrees if I recall) the
> fan does not come on, thus there is a problem with the fan.


Okay, that's a different ball game. There is something wrong with the fan.
It's either going to be something in the wiring, such as a faulty thermostat
controller to turn the fan on and off, or if the fan simply won't come on,
either a fuse issue or a bad fan motor.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 18:15:55 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Water Pump

most fans have the cheap probe that goes into rad. so if coolant is not flowing threw the  area the 
switch can not close to  operate the fan
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 3:15 AM
Subject: Re: Water Pump


>> One additional question I might have regarding it
>> though, is that fan linked to a fuse by chance that might have blown or
>> something?
>
>
> Before, you said the fan wasn't coming on soon enough. Now, it's not coming
> on at all???
>
> Yes, the fan circuit has a fuse. However, the fuse blowing is a dead
> giveaway that something is shorting out or is bad in some other way.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> 

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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 15:32:05 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys...CRANKSHAFT?

Are you considering doing this? Boy, I would cover my 6 in every way
possible, and some of the impossible ways.
 Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:18 AM
Subject: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys...CRANKSHAFT?


> >From: carpart_intmotor1@doramail.com
> >To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
> >Subject: Question for item #4500958084 - CRANKSHAFT Olds 330 Forged Steel
> >MT Fresh 10-10 Grind
> >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:32:52 -0800
> >
> >Dear *the*rocketscientist,
> >
> >HI, Am an automerchant of years of experience with an arrayof
> >clientsaround the coast of europe and africa,a client has placed a quote
on
> >your
> >crankshaft and the need to get intouch to you for the buy it no
price.Will
> >you be able to accept a cashier check as a mode ofpayment?,my client has
> >said he will only raise a certified cashiers check for the payment of
> >your item and the shipping charges from the united States to it's new
> >origin.This means the cashier's check that will be sent to you will
> >include the money for the sales of your item, my commission as an
> >automerchant and the shippers fees.What i want to clarify is that will
you
> >be
> >able to send the excess fund on the check back to me through Western
Union
> >Money Transfer method as soon as you get the and cash it and deduct the
> >money for the sales of your item? Please your answer on this, will
> >enable me to issue a directive to my client on the issuance of your
payment
> >to you asap.Do get back to me with your c
> >
> >To respond to the question online, go to the URL below. You will have the
> >option to display your response directly on your item page.
> >
>
>http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?RespondToQuestion&iid=4500958084&q
id=339893985
> >
>
>===========================================================================
=====
> >Item # / Item Title                                        End Date
>
>===========================================================================
=====
> >4500958084                                                 Nov-09-04
> >CRANKSHAFT Olds 330 Forged Steel MT Fresh 10-10 Grind
> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >carpart_intmotor1
>
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>
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Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 19:01:01 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney        Boys...CRANKSHAFT?

I WOULD SIMPLY SAY WESTERN UNION OR NO DEAL.
RON 
 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Re: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys...CRANKSHAFT?


> Are you considering doing this? Boy, I would cover my 6 in every way
> possible, and some of the impossible ways.
> Rick Messenger
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2004 10:18 AM
> Subject: Good lord, not again... African Too Much Mioney Boys...CRANKSHAFT?
> 
> 
>> >From: carpart_intmotor1@doramail.com
>> >To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>> >Subject: Question for item #4500958084 - CRANKSHAFT Olds 330 Forged Steel
>> >MT Fresh 10-10 Grind
>> >Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2004 06:32:52 -0800
>> >
>> >Dear *the*rocketscientist,
>> >
>> >HI, Am an automerchant of years of experience with an arrayof
>> >clientsaround the coast of europe and africa,a client has placed a quote
> on
>> >your
>> >crankshaft and the need to get intouch to you for the buy it no
> price.Will
>> >you be able to accept a cashier check as a mode ofpayment?,my client has
>> >said he will only raise a certified cashiers check for the payment of
>> >your item and the shipping charges from the united States to it's new
>> >origin.This means the cashier's check that will be sent to you will
>> >include the money for the sales of your item, my commission as an
>> >automerchant and the shippers fees.What i want to clarify is that will
> you
>> >be
>> >able to send the excess fund on the check back to me through Western
> Union
>> >Money Transfer method as soon as you get the and cash it and deduct the
>> >money for the sales of your item? Please your answer on this, will
>> >enable me to issue a directive to my client on the issuance of your
> payment
>> >to you asap.Do get back to me with your c
>> >
>> >To respond to the question online, go to the URL below. You will have the
>> >option to display your response directly on your item page.
>> >
>>
>>http://contact.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?RespondToQuestion&iid=4500958084&q
> id=339893985
>> >
>>
>>===========================================================================
> =====
>> >Item # / Item Title                                        End Date
>>
>>===========================================================================
> =====
>> >4500958084                                                 Nov-09-04
>> >CRANKSHAFT Olds 330 Forged Steel MT Fresh 10-10 Grind
>> >
>> >
>> >Thank you,
>> >carpart_intmotor1
>>
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> -----
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
> 
> 
>

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