
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, September 3 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5011



RE: 1950 Olds 88 in print
RE: Nationals results???
Re: Nationals results???
RE: Nationals results???
Rev Lugnuts on LH side
Re: Nationals results???
Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!
Re: Nationals results???
RE: Lifting Body (including front clip) off frame as one unit
Turn signal/cruise control lever needed
Urgent Request - Goshen, Ohio
Trans cooler
Re: [OldsGmail] Trans cooler
Looking for chrome moulding clips
What IS that thing?
Re: Looking for chrome moulding clips
OAI Question
Car Crazy Poster
Re: Car Crazy Poster
RE: Car Crazy Poster
Amsoil Synthetic Gear Oil service rate?
Re: Car Crazy Poster
Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock
Re: Car Crazy Poster
Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock
Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock
Re: What IS that thing?
Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock
Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:05:33 -0400 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 1950 Olds 88 in print

DOOHHH! [in my best Homer Simpson impersonation]

I just subscribed to Classic Car - Crap!

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Beaulieu [mailto:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 8:05 PM
> To: Oldsmobile-Owner
> Subject: Re: 1950 Olds 88 in print
> 
> 
> On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Stephen Reed wrote:
> > 	I just got home, and opened my fresh copy of the GREAT magazine;
> > Hemming's Muscle Machines.
> 
> I've never seen that magazine, but I hope it's better than 
> their latest
> effort, Hemmings Classic Car. They took Special Interest 
> Autos - a nice
> little unpretentious magazine - and remade it into a poor imitation of
> Collectible Automobile, with lots of throwaway articles and 
> no in-depth
> pieces on anything. The editor, Richard Lentinello, took over 
> SIA a couple
> of years ago and it's been all downhill ever since. 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova 
> Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
> 

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:13:48 -0400 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Nationals results???

And what about the pictures?  Didn't anyone take any pictures?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob [mailto:rweiser@shaw.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:43 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Nationals results???
> 
> 
> Howdy,
> 
> After a few years of lurking, it is time to post.
> 
> We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would 
> like to know if
> the results are available on-line?
> 
> I am primarily interested in the 65-72 cutlass/442 stuff.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rob Weiser
> 72 w-30 rag project
> 
> on digest mode
> 

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:49:00 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Nationals results???

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> We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know if 
> the results are available on-line? 

I doubt it.  They were barely available at the banquet.  Even then, they gave the owner's name, but didn't tell or show what the car was.  I have no idea what most of the Best of Class winners were.
Paul
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<P>&gt; We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know if <BR>&gt; the results are available on-line? <BR></P>
<P>I doubt it.&nbsp; They were barely available at the banquet.&nbsp; Even then, they gave the owner's name, but didn't tell or show what the car was.&nbsp; I have no idea what most of the Best of Class winners were.</P>
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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:59:16 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Nationals results???

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> And what about the pictures? Didn't anyone take any pictures? 
> 
> Inquiring minds want to know... 

They had a photographer there.  When I snuck in during dessert, they were showing photos on the screens.  Apparently that had been going on during the whole meal.  But when it came time to give the awards, there were no photos to show what cars won Best of Class.  I thought that was the purpose of the photographer (besides him selling the pictures to the owners).
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<P>&gt; And what about the pictures? Didn't anyone take any pictures? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Inquiring minds want to know... <BR></P>
<P>They had a photographer there.&nbsp; When I snuck in during dessert, they were showing photos on the screens.&nbsp; Apparently that had been going on during the whole meal.&nbsp; But when it came time to give the awards, there were no photos to show what cars won Best of Class.&nbsp; I thought that was the purpose of the photographer (besides him selling the pictures to the owners).</P>
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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:11:56 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rev Lugnuts on LH side

>SURE ENOUGH THE GOOFY THINGS WERE REVERSE
>THREADED!

Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2004 21:49:43 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

My 62 Cutlass had left hand threads on one side, marked
with an "L" on the stud.  I think it was the drivers' side.
2 Sep 2004  Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com> writes:

=================
Ayep, if you look real close, there's supposed to be an "L" stamped into the 
end of each LH threaded Lugnut. Plus, the threads just "look funny" if 
there's enough sticking out to see.
   I snapped the crankshaft off on a B&S engine way back when. Wondered why 
it took the 1/2" socket set and 4 ft cheater bar to turn the darn thing. 
AFTER it came off, I noticed the LH threads. Did not have impact wrench back 
then.
   Rotation of LH wheels naturally tends to loosen their nuts. One solution 
is LH thread nuts. Another solution is a sufficient number of properly sized 
RH thread nuts, torqued correctly- which is what pretty much every vehicle 
now uses.
   Where else have you see LH threads? Torch hose Acetylene fittings comes 
to mind.



What REALLY bugs me is finding English lug nuts on
some of my cars, and Metric on others.  Plus the fancy
stamped covers that don't hold their dimensions.
Bruce Roe
=================
I used to hate Olds' stamped SS cover lugnuts. Tossed them and used 
ubiquitous chrome nuts. They RUST! Yuck! In restoring the '66 442, I was 
fortunate to find a bunch of OEM SS capped lugnuts- you may recall I was 
selling them for cheap. Then the supply ran out. Anyhow, with proper care- 
nice new socket and HAND TOOLS to remove and install- they work just fine. 
And.. the DO NOT RUST on the outside. Our car was one of.... one, perhaps? 
at the nationals that had the correct lug nuts. Yet another reason I am so 
disgruntled that the judging process was fubar'd. All was for naught.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:19:28 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nationals results???

Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:42:30 -0500
From: Rob <rweiser@shaw.ca>
Subject: Nationals results???

Howdy,
After a few years of lurking, it is time to post.
=====================
Lurk not; contribute!


We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know if
the results are available on-line?
Rob Weiser
72 w-30 rag project
on digest mode
=================
Yeah, me too.
No point in hanging for a banquet [for which I had no ticket] if my car is 
not even mentioned in any way, like it never existed. :-|

Frankly, I would be very surprised if folks incapable of ascertaining 
whether a particular car is eligible for judging or not [on SEVERAL 
occasions, apparently] can manage to post the results on a web page.

Can you tell I am still a bit disgruntled?
Today I sent email to Head Judge requesting clarification as to the final 
dispositiion of my car's judging sheet. The one that "wasn't supposed to 
happen" yet did. What did they call it? "Bogus"? We'll see if they start 
getting friendlier, or still wanna be adversaries.

P-Ting! [*spits another nail at the computer screen*]
- ----------------------
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Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 10:44:35 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Reverse threaded lugnuts?!!

At 02:26 AM 09/03/2004 +0000, SteveH wrote:
>Yeah; but what he's asking is why are the driver's side REAR axle studs the
>same as the passenger side, but the driver's side FRONT studs were
>reverse??????
>
Can't say for Olds, but IIRC, my Chrysler was exactly like this . .
everything was normal-threaded EXCEPT for the front driver's side.

I am led to believe that it came this way from the factory, but don't quote
me on that.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 11:26:51 -0400
From: "Bill Reilly" <william.reilly@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Nationals results???

Usually the complete list of results is in a special upcoming issue of JWO
with color pictures instead of the usual black and white.

Bill Reilly


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <rweiser@shaw.ca>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 10:42 PM
Subject: Nationals results???


> Howdy,
>
> After a few years of lurking, it is time to post.
>
> We had to leave the nationals before the banquet and I would like to know
if
> the results are available on-line?
>
> I am primarily interested in the 65-72 cutlass/442 stuff.
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob Weiser
> 72 w-30 rag project
>
> on digest mode
>

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:13:29 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Lifting Body (including front clip) off frame as one unit

>I ran across the photo below.  I just do not understand how it is possible 
>to have the Entire Body suspended off the frame with the front clip 
>attached to the firewall.

It depends on the specific design of the car. On the assembly line, some 
bodies come to the body drop with the front clip already attached; others 
don’t get the front clip added until after the rest of the body has been 
mated to the frame. It probably has as much to do with installation 
convenience as structural integrity, as far as whether or not the front clip 
goes on first.

Ironically, I got a tour of the Framingham (MA) assembly plant back in 1971 
or '72 and saw the very model you're looking at being assembled, but can't 
remember now whether the body drop did or did not have the front clip 
included. I know the hood came down separately in a follow-on step, but 
don't recall when the rest of the clip was added. I think someone else on 
the Olds list actually worked there, so they should know.

In the big book "The American Auto Factory" by Byron Olsen and Joseph P. 
Cabadas, there are several body-drop photos shown from various factories as 
far back as the early 1900s, some including the front clip and some without.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 12:44:43 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Turn signal/cruise control lever needed

Hi all
    I'm looking for a turn signal/cruise contol lever for a 70 toro. My 
belief is that almost all 66 to 80 were the same. All Olsmobiles the 
same. If any one can help give me a shout.
thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:52:58 -0400
From: "David Popadic" <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Urgent Request - Goshen, Ohio

Maybe going to Goshen, Ohio to look at a Olds Cutlass this weekend.  
It's a 400+ mile one way trip, so I was hoping someone was close enough 
to go and take a quick look.  We are hoping to get a few answers back 
and make plans to go Saturday-Sunday or Monday.

Any one available?

Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:13:13 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Trans cooler

Hi all,
I know the topic was often on both lists, but ... I will put one soon, so
some questions arrise in my head.
I have a big engine with rather a small rad. I don't overheat for the time,
teperatures up to 20 deg C, but in the summer we can have close to 40 as
well.
The usual operating temp I have is 80 deg C, helped by the HD clutch fan ,
type that desconnects itself above 2300rpm ( in my case).
Shouldn't I put the trans cooler before the rad, to keep as much heat out of
it as possible?
AFAIR, the reason to put the trans cooler after the rad, is to keep the
transmission at apropriate temperature, not to over cool it, the hot water
in the rad helping the trans to warm up sooner.
Am I wrong?
TIA
Matt
81CS 468ci

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 14:34:14 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: [OldsGmail] Trans cooler

At Friday, 3 September 2004, you wrote:
>I have a big engine with rather a small rad.

You can get a larger radiator for the A/G-body. IIRC, the stock one 
used with the V6s (and possibly the 260 V8, I dunno for sure) was 
about 26" wide. The one used with 307s was roughly 28" wide. There 
is still a wider one for the larger B-bodies that can't be fit into 
an A/G-body radiator support without modification, that was the Heavy-
Duty Cooling VO8 option; it's about 32" wide.

The inneresting thing about all of these is they're all the same 
height. The two smaller ones, and the two larger ones, fit inside 
the same radiator support by simply moving the rubber radiator tank 
support pads located in the bottom of the radiator core support; 
don't even hafta buy new ones, they have rubber thingies that pull 
out of holes and which you stick into the other holes.

>Shouldn't I put the trans cooler before the rad, to keep 
>as much heat out of it as possible?

Indeed; you can easily see mine mounted in front of the upper passenger 
side of my BBA's radiator here:
http://tinyurl.com/66b85

>AFAIR, the reason to put the trans cooler after the rad, 
>is to keep the transmission at apropriate temperature, 
>not to over cool it, the hot water in the rad helping 
>the trans to warm up sooner.

I doubt that's a real concern anywhere except maybe Alaska, the Yukon 
and some parts of Iceland  ;o)))))))))

But one thing I've discovered is that at idle, there can be sufficient 
turbulence of the air being sucked through the radiator by the fan,
that there can also be some air pushed BACK OUT IN FRONT of the 
radiator along the sides of the radiator shroud. I discovered this 
one day while moving my temperature probe around in front of the 
radiator. The coolest spot in front of the radiator was in front 
of where the fan is; the hottest spots were along any edge but particularly 
at the top and both sides. So this means that if you really want 
the most effective cooling of your trans cooler, it would probably 
be better mounted at the bottom of the radiator instead of the top.


I'm gonna try that sometime and see how much difference there may be.

SteveH



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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 12:50:19 -0700
From: "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net>
Subject: Looking for chrome moulding clips

Hello, I am in search of the chrome molding clips (plastic) that hold the
optional wide lower molding on the 1981 Olds Cutlass 2 dr (should be the
same for the later 82-86 also)

Has anyone found a aftermarket source for these clips? Olds says no go on
new ones thru them.

Thanks, David

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 15:59:26 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: What IS that thing?

Just found a cool trick
Bought a nifty $5 tool at the Buy-n-sell store today
Not a damn clue what it's for
Only clue is a Patent number

Look up on eBay- nothing [though they did tell me the OTC 7135 is a Ford 
front axle installer]

Look up Pat # on Google- link appears to look up the patent # at US patent 
records

Voila'

It's a oil filter removal tool for Late Model GM cars with OFilter in the 
pan.
Damn nice one, at that.

Similar to
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2488463196&category=43994&sspagename=WDVW

for GM 2.5L engines, but this one has 2 teethed semicircle halves that are 
help apart gently by springs [for easy insertion into the engine's oil 
filter cover], and then forced apart more enthusiastically upon turning the 
1/2" square drive fitting in the center of the tool.

Dunno what it is? Look up the patent #!!
They even had dwg's available, but my computer apparently lacks some sort of 
plug-in to view them.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 16:25:36 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for chrome moulding clips

David Manly wrote:
> Hello, I am in search of the chrome molding clips (plastic) that hold the
> optional wide lower molding on the 1981 Olds Cutlass 2 dr (should be the
> same for the later 82-86 also)
> 
> Has anyone found a aftermarket source for these clips? Olds says no go on
> new ones thru them.
> 
> Thanks, David
> 
> 
> 
> 
David
     Try this guy "Dr. Bolt" 1-800-540-4511. He has a web site but it 
sucks no usable info at all. I have seen him at shows swap meets etc. He 
has all manner of fasteners, fittings etc.
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 17:09:35 -0400
From: "Joe" <w30442@zoominternet.net>
Subject: OAI Question

I have a question about the 71 OAI lid. On the part with the flap door, are 
the OLDSMOBILE letters the same color as the lid (black) or should they be 
outlined in white?
Thanks
Joe 

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 17:32:36 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Car Crazy Poster

All,
	I thought I'd let every one know about the Car Crazy Merchandise
poster I got.  I received mine today, and the 36" X 24" poster looks great!!
It has models from 1964 thru 1987, with a front isometric shot of each car,
and its owner's name below each ride.
	It's a great looking poster.  I'm going to be going to the local
Hobby Lobby tomorrow to look for a frame for it.

The poster can be seen here:
http://carcrazymerchandise.com/442post.html



Steve Reed
Austin, TX
1968 Cutlass
1970 Ragtop Cutlass
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/oldsmobiles.html

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:54:55 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Car Crazy Poster

Steve,

I ordered one 7/28, still have not yet received it.  When did you order
yours?

Thanks!
Rob
Free Olds classifieds and Olds car registry at www.allolds.com
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From: "Stephen Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: "Oldsmobile-Owner" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:32 PM
Subject: Car Crazy Poster


> All,
> I thought I'd let every one know about the Car Crazy Merchandise
> poster I got.  I received mine today, and the 36" X 24" poster looks
great!!
> It has models from 1964 thru 1987, with a front isometric shot of each
car,
> and its owner's name below each ride.
> It's a great looking poster.  I'm going to be going to the local
> Hobby Lobby tomorrow to look for a frame for it.
>
> The poster can be seen here:
> http://carcrazymerchandise.com/442post.html

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:17:18 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Car Crazy Poster

Rob,

> Steve,

> I ordered one 7/28, still have not yet received it.  When did 
> you order yours?

> Thanks!
> Rob

I ordered mine the day the email was sent to the list.  Doug Newman just
wrote me offline, and he received his (3) copies today.

I would expect you to get it any day.  They are being sent from San Antonio,
and I actually got mine on Wednesday but didn't have time to comment on them
'till today.

Take care,

Steve Reed
Austin, TX
1968 Cutlass
1970 Ragtop Cutlass
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/oldsmobiles.html

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2004 18:20:11 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Amsoil Synthetic Gear Oil service rate?

All,
	Does anyone know when one should service/R&R synthetic gear
oil/fluid?  This is the first time I have used the stuff and am curious.

Steve Reed
Austin, TX
1968 Cutlass
1970 Ragtop Cutlass
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/oldsmobiles.html

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:37:44 -0500
From: "Doug Newman" <newmand@oldsgmail.com>
Subject: Re: Car Crazy Poster

Rob V asked:

<I ordered one 7/28, still have not yet received it.  When did you order
yours?>

Just to add to Steve's reply, Ralph Gains got his first batch of posters
from the printer shortly before he left for the Nationals in
Minneapolis.  He had a disclaimer on the website saying that he wouldn't
be able to start sending out the online orders until he got back from
the Nationals.  He's been getting caught up this week, and I'm sure
you'll receive yours early next week, since they're all being shipped
UPS on a "first ordered-first shipped" basis.

They certainly turned out nice, as Steve said.  :-)


Doug Newman                  1987 442              OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS                    

http://store.oldsgmail.com                             The Store    
http://newmand.oldsgmail.com                       My Home Page

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:36:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: chaztoone@aol.com
Subject: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock

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Can anyone ID the clock in the these photos?  It's an old wind up clock, but I wonder if it really was part of a car.  Any clues most helpful.  (I hope this works, sorry if it doesn't)


Thanks,

Charlie Toone
OCA Member# 22915
1971 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
1972 H/O (w/sunroof) - for a short while
1966 F-85 - my first car - long gone
ChazToone@aol.com
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Can anyone ID the clock in the these photos?  It's an old wind up clock, but I wonder if it really was part of a car.  Any clues most helpful.  (I hope this works, sorry if it doesn't)
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<br>Thanks,
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<br>Charlie Toone
<br>OCA Member# 22915
<br>1971 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
<br>1972 H/O (w/sunroof) - for a short while
<br>1966 F-85 - my first car - long gone
<br>ChazToone@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:23:47 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Car Crazy Poster

Thanks Steve!  I will be on the lookout.

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- >
> I would expect you to get it any day.  They are being sent from San
Antonio,
> and I actually got mine on Wednesday but didn't have time to comment on
them
> 'till today.

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 00:36:48 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock

At 04:36 PM 9/3/2004 -0700, Charlie Toone wrote:
>                  1 of 4 photos
>
>Charles's Photo Album
>         	         
>Can anyone ID the clock in the these photos?  It's an old wind up
>clock, but I wonder if it really was part of a car.  Any clues most
>helpful.  (I hope this works, sorry if it doesn't) 

Unfortunately, it did work. And it dumped several pages of pure html hash
into a digest, making life pure heck for digesters. This is also one of the
best ways to transfer a virus from your machine to everybody else on the
reflector.

PLEASE DO NOT POST USING HTML!!!!

Thanks,
SteveH

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:59:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock

On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Steve Harrison wrote:
> Unfortunately, it did work. And it dumped several pages of pure html hash
> into a digest, making life pure heck for digesters. This is also one of the
> best ways to transfer a virus from your machine to everybody else on the
> reflector.
> 
> PLEASE DO NOT POST USING HTML!!!!

I read the list using a text-based mail system (Pine) connected to a Unix
machine, and this message was unusual. I didn't *see* any HTML and the
message was about 8K in size, not huge. But when I forwarded it to an
Outlook mail client, there it was in all it's graphical glory. Strange. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 21:16:37 EDT
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: What IS that thing?

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http://www.tenlinks.com/CAD/products/free/viewers.htm

.dwg is a cad file, go to any free download site, like the one above,  and 
get a cad viewer. 

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 01:23:38 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock

At 09:59 PM 9/3/2004 -0300, you wrote:
>I read the list using a text-based mail system (Pine) connected 
>to a Unix machine, and this message was unusual. I didn't *see* 
>any HTML and the message was about 8K in size, not huge. But when 
>I forwarded it to an Outlook mail client, there it was in all it's 
>graphical glory. Strange.

What was stranger, to me, was that the link actually came through. That
clued me in that there was a lot more there than mere plain text.

After switching my Eudora to display headers, the first part of his post
showed this:

<x-html><!--

It appears that your email program does not support HTML email.
Please consider upgrading your program to a more recent version.

He's also on Aohell but there's no e-mail ID header, as there usually is.
The only indication I see are in the headers showing how his post was
routed from his machine into Chebucto:

Received: from bor-n-mail02.ofoto.com ([66.128.224.81]:26790 "EHLO
        bor-n-mail02.ofoto.com") by lich.chebucto.ns.ca with ESMTP
        id <S410855AbUICXhK>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:37:10 -0300
Received: from web81.ofoto.com (web81.ofoto.com [10.0.0.81])
        by bor-n-mail02.ofoto.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i83NageJ025333
        for <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:36:42 -0700
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
        by web81.ofoto.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id i83NagF26843
        for <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:36:42 -0700 (PDT)

.... where it keeps saying ofoto stuff.

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 18:57:16 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock

I got the text and the picture on out look 6, no problems here, came through
great.
Rick
76 LS 98 coupe
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Photo Album from Charles: Old Olds clock


> At 09:59 PM 9/3/2004 -0300, you wrote:
> >I read the list using a text-based mail system (Pine) connected
> >to a Unix machine, and this message was unusual. I didn't *see*
> >any HTML and the message was about 8K in size, not huge. But when
> >I forwarded it to an Outlook mail client, there it was in all it's
> >graphical glory. Strange.
>
> What was stranger, to me, was that the link actually came through. That
> clued me in that there was a lot more there than mere plain text.
>
> After switching my Eudora to display headers, the first part of his post
> showed this:
>
> <x-html><!--
>
> It appears that your email program does not support HTML email.
> Please consider upgrading your program to a more recent version.
>
> He's also on Aohell but there's no e-mail ID header, as there usually is.
> The only indication I see are in the headers showing how his post was
> routed from his machine into Chebucto:
>
> Received: from bor-n-mail02.ofoto.com ([66.128.224.81]:26790 "EHLO
>         bor-n-mail02.ofoto.com") by lich.chebucto.ns.ca with ESMTP
>         id <S410855AbUICXhK>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 20:37:10 -0300
> Received: from web81.ofoto.com (web81.ofoto.com [10.0.0.81])
>         by bor-n-mail02.ofoto.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id
i83NageJ025333
>         for <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:36:42 -0700
> Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1])
>         by web81.ofoto.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id i83NagF26843
>         for <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Fri, 3 Sep 2004 16:36:42 -0700
(PDT)
>
> .... where it keeps saying ofoto stuff.
>
> SteveH

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