
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, November 13 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5089



Re: Freeze 12
Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04
'71 Cutlass S For Sale
Re: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04
Re: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04
Re: Mr G. intake gasket
RE: UPDATE: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes
Re: Mr G. intake gasket
RE: Response to your question for item #4502660932 - GTO CARB RARE
Re: Mr G. intake gasket
Testing 1:30 CST
My Muncie & Muncie Info
Re: Mr G. intake gasket
Re: My Muncie & Muncie Info
Speaking of plugging the exhaust crossover passage....
Re: Mr G. intake gasket
Re: Mr G. intake gasket
lifter noise and part search
Re: lifter noise and part search
lifter noise and part search
Re: lifter noise and part search
Re: Speaking of plugging the exhaust crossover passage....
Re: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04
RE: lifter noise and part search

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:56:33 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Freeze 12

I have used Freeze 12 for 3-4 years and it works well here in the 
desert.  Have charged empty systems with it, and added it to systems 
already charged with R12 that needed to be topped off in the summer 
heat.  No problems here.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:31:32 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04

THANKS to Chaz...

more recent than the copy I had.. by a month at least.

Still lost all the carb and dist #'s and 100's of various misc things that 
were entered as they popped up.

How the hell can an Excel file just NOT BE THERE one day after just using it 
previous day????

Extensive file searches turned up nothing but the shortcuts that used to 
point to it.

:-(
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:19:37 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: '71 Cutlass S For Sale

It's been in my sig for a while, but just in case...

I have a '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans. The body and 
chassis is very solid, with a few minor dings, and only the normal bit 
of rust behind all four wheel openings. This would be Texas rust, not 
yankee rust, BTW. It's a true Texas car, having been built at the 
Arlington plant.
Interior is a curious mix of '70, '71, and Other. It's also currently 
wearing '70 bumpers, both tweaked. Four good 14" Rally IIs with three 
of the bolt-on caps.

I only need a right rear quarter panel to fix my '70 Sports Coupe, and 
I hate to cut up a good, solid car just for that. I'd like to get $600 
for the car, or do some horse trading for a used or repro right rear 
quarter. Better yet, if anyone's got a Sports Coupe body in good shape, 
it'd be cleaner to move all the good bits from my current car to 
another shell, though I'm still not sure I'd really want to do that. 
Would it still be "Snoopy" (the car's name)?

Anyway, if I decide to chop it up, I'll post the bits here first.

Pics and descriptions:
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 07:42:03 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04

Virus?......bad hard drive?


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:31 AM
Subject: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04


> THANKS to Chaz...
> 
> more recent than the copy I had.. by a month at least.
> 
> Still lost all the carb and dist #'s and 100's of various misc things that 
> were entered as they popped up.
> 
> How the hell can an Excel file just NOT BE THERE one day after just using it 
> previous day????
> 
> Extensive file searches turned up nothing but the shortcuts that used to 
> point to it.
> 
> :-(
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> 
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:10:17 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04

Chair-to-keyboard interface error?

At 07:42 AM 11/12/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Virus?......bad hard drive?
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:31 AM
>Subject: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04
>
>
>> THANKS to Chaz...
>> 
>> more recent than the copy I had.. by a month at least.
>> 
>> Still lost all the carb and dist #'s and 100's of various misc things that 
>> were entered as they popped up.
>> 
>> How the hell can an Excel file just NOT BE THERE one day after just
using it 
>> previous day????
>> 
>> Extensive file searches turned up nothing but the shortcuts that used to 
>> point to it.
>> 
>> :-(
>> -----------------------
>> Chris Witt
>> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
>> Lansing MI 48911
>> 
>> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>> 
>> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
>> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:10:59 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket

> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:58:10 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket
> 
> > I'm about to put the Mr G. composition gasket on my olds. I 
> > drive the car daily and it is getting close to freezing up
> > here in the AM. Should I drill or cut holes in the gasket 
> > for the exhaust cross-over?
> 
> 
> With a basically stock engine and living in a cold winter 
> state, I'd open up the gasket for the exhaust crossover. 
> It's probably wiser in the long run.
> 
> 
> > Also, what about the turkey tray....some say cut it and use 
> > it for an oil baffle. What is the preferred method of those
> > of you who have done the job?
> 
> 
> I will never use the turkey tray, even on a bone stock 
> engine. I use only the Premium Ultra-Seal Mr. Gasket intake gasket, 
> 5845 for a small block and 5846 for a big block. I throw away the 
> rubber front and rear seals and use a heavy bead of The Right Stuff 
> to seal the front and rear of the intake manifold.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com

I agree 100% with Milton. A while back I used a set of Mondello composition gaskets with my Performer 350, and the crossover port areas were burned out when I pulled the intake after a year or so, but I do not know how long it actually took for them to break through. I did not use an oil splash shield/turkey tray, and after several years of driving in Phoenix (summer temps = 110+, no telling how hot it gets under the hood), there was absolutely no caked on, burned oil on the underside of the intake. That tells me the splash shield really is not necessary. Some may argue that it keeps hot oil off the underside of the intake and therefore gives a cooler air charge, but I argue that the aluminum intake with 1000º exhaust gases flowing through it has bigger problems than some 250º or so oil splashing onto it.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:00:50 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: UPDATE: Check engine light on/strong exhaust fumes

>Finally got around to going to AutoZone and borrowing their O2 wrench 
>set... their loan-a-tool service is a great deal--put a deposit down and 
>when you bring it back it's refunded.

I'll second that. They saved me a fair chunk o' change with free rental of 
MacPherson strut spring compressors... and I hadn't even bought the 
replacement cartridges from them, either.

>Popped the sensor out, and it was encrusted in carbon and soot... that 
>makes sense because when I first got the car it was running really badly. 
>Replaced the sensor, disconnected the battery to clear the codes, then took 
>it up on the interstate with no problems. Looks like it is fixed, though 
>since it was so sooty, I'm thinking replacing the cat convertor might not 
>be a bad idea.

I dunno... In my experience, even the sensors that died of old age rather 
than rich running look really bad; I wouldn't spend the extra money on a 
convertor on that basis alone. If your upstream things (fuel system, air 
intake hardware, carb or injectors, vacuum controls) are all fixed up now 
but you're flunking emissions tests, or if an intake-manifold vacuum test 
shows excessive backpressure, then the convertor may be history, but I would 
suggest a little more testing in that area before you go spending more 
money.

- -- Andy
>Thanks, everybody! Once again, you've saved me trial-and-error.
>
>--Branson

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:59:49 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket

> > I will never use the turkey tray, even on a bone stock
> > engine. I use only the Premium Ultra-Seal Mr. Gasket intake gasket,
> > 5845 for a small block and 5846 for a big block. I throw away the
> > rubber front and rear seals and use a heavy bead of The Right Stuff
> > to seal the front and rear of the intake manifold.

I have Right Stuff, Permatex Spray a Gasket , and Silicone at my disposal. Would a good coat of Spray a gasket on both
sides of the intake gasket do the job or should I use a silicone or Right Stuff around the glycol ports.

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:15:52 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Response to your question for item #4502660932 - GTO CARB RARE

>Subject: RE: Response to your question for item #4502660932 - GTO CARB RARE
>Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:13:42 -0500
>
>"REALLY rare for a GTO, considering that Olds used '250's numbers and 
>Pontiac used '260's and '270's..."

Hmmm...

>The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available 
>for sale.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:58:30 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket

At Friday, 12 November 2004, you wrote:
>I agree 100% with Milton. A while back I used a set of 
>Mondello composition gaskets with my Performer 350, and 
>the crossover port areas were burned out when I pulled 
>the intake after a year or so, but I do not know how 
>long it actually took for them to break through.

When we were swapping a crossram, tunnel ram, some Edulbrook POS,
and a factory cast iron manifold on/off my 421 street engines years 
ago, we used composition gaskets. They'd burn through within an hour 
or so.

Then we found other gaskets with a stainless steel plate to block 
the crossover. While those didn't burn through immediately, the stainless 
did discolor considerably and was misshapen within several hours.
Not wanting bits and pieces of stainless steel to get stuck in the 
exhaust valves, we didn't use those gaskets again.

The ONLY way to make sure the crossovers remain blocked more than 
a few minutes is to actually block them with steel or aluminum plugs.
And I have reservations about the aluminum plugs for street engines 
as the coefficient of expansion isn't nearly the same as cast iron.
I've wondered whether the plugs are the primary cause of so many 
Olds intake manifolds having cracks in the crossover area that you 
find on xXxx.

SteveH



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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:30:57 -0600
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Testing 1:30 CST

Just testing folks...I haven't seen my previous post appear, and think I
have M$-Outhouse set accordingly now.
 
Thanks,
 
Steve Reed
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com <http://www.sreed.0catch.com/> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:39:40 -0600
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: My Muncie & Muncie Info

All,
    After seeing the guy who is rebuilding my Muncie for me last night, I
found out that I have the 'Third Design:  Do to an increasing # of selector
shaft studs breaking off, the only change made in 1969 was to alter the
selector shafts by drilling and tapping them to accept 3/8-inch bolts
instead of a studded shaft accepting a nut.  Subsequent component changes
made in 1970 changed the input shaft to a 26-spline (fine) and increased the
output shaft diameter to accept a T-400 transmission yoke.  This final
incarnation of the munce lasted until 1973 when the transmission was taken
out of service.
 
I also got some GREAT reference and rebuild information from him.  He showed
and lent me and old Super Chevy which had a 6 page article in it on a
"Freshening up the Muncie four speed at home".  It's really good, and I'll
prob post them on my web page.  I'll scan them @ 300 DPI to keep the
clarity.  Some very informative stuff, in this good article.  I'll try and
get my web page updated this weekend, so anyone van get the info if wanted.
 
This guy woulda made Milton proud:  He had a nice weapon collection (about a
dozen handguns, including many Wilson's), and some serious rifles, up to a
50 Caliber.  He's a Marine, and a helluva stand up guy!
 
 
Steve Reed
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com <http://www.sreed.0catch.com/> 
 
 
 

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:52:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket

> Some may argue that it keeps hot oil off the underside of the intake and
therefore gives a cooler air charge, but I argue that the aluminum intake
with 1000º exhaust gases flowing through it has bigger problems than some
250º or so oil splashing onto it.


That's exactly why I plug the exhaust crossover passage and let the hot
engine oil warm the intake manifold. I'd rather have 250F oil heat than
1000+F exhaust heat, and the resultant denser air/fuel charge.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:10:22 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: My Muncie & Muncie Info

Outstanding, on all counts.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:39 PM
Subject: My Muncie & Muncie Info


> All,
>     After seeing the guy who is rebuilding my Muncie for me last night, I
> found out that I have the 'Third Design:  Do to an increasing # of
selector
> shaft studs breaking off, the only change made in 1969 was to alter the
> selector shafts by drilling and tapping them to accept 3/8-inch bolts
> instead of a studded shaft accepting a nut.  Subsequent component changes
> made in 1970 changed the input shaft to a 26-spline (fine) and increased
the
> output shaft diameter to accept a T-400 transmission yoke.  This final
> incarnation of the munce lasted until 1973 when the transmission was taken
> out of service.
>
> I also got some GREAT reference and rebuild information from him.  He
showed
> and lent me and old Super Chevy which had a 6 page article in it on a
> "Freshening up the Muncie four speed at home".  It's really good, and I'll
> prob post them on my web page.  I'll scan them @ 300 DPI to keep the
> clarity.  Some very informative stuff, in this good article.  I'll try and
> get my web page updated this weekend, so anyone van get the info if
wanted.
>
> This guy woulda made Milton proud:  He had a nice weapon collection (about
a
> dozen handguns, including many Wilson's), and some serious rifles, up to a
> 50 Caliber.  He's a Marine, and a helluva stand up guy!
>
>
> Steve Reed
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com <http://www.sreed.0catch.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:09:48 -0600
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Speaking of plugging the exhaust crossover passage....

> > Some may argue that it keeps hot oil off the underside of 
> the intake 
> > and
> therefore gives a cooler air charge, but I argue that the 
> aluminum intake with 1000º exhaust gases flowing through it 
> has bigger problems than some 250º or so oil splashing onto it.
> 
> 
> That's exactly why I plug the exhaust crossover passage and 
> let the hot engine oil warm the intake manifold. I'd rather 
> have 250F oil heat than
> 1000+F exhaust heat, and the resultant denser air/fuel charge.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com

I just got done doing mine last weekend.  I packed the center port 80% full
of aluminum foil, and then used the DEVCON to top over the foil and fill in
the rest of the passage way.  The next day I filed down the excess to a
smooth surface, ready for the freshening of my 455 in a few weeks.


Steve Reed
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 13:41:17 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket

Kevin,

> I have Right Stuff, Permatex Spray a Gasket , and Silicone at my disposal.
Would a good coat of Spray a gasket on both
> sides of the intake gasket do the job or should I use a silicone or Right
Stuff around the glycol ports.


Isn't the Permatex Spray-a-Gasket red? I think it is. I remember it being
exactly the same stuff as Permatex Hy-Tack. Anyway, I always coat both sides
of the gasket with red Hy-Tack to make sure any slight imperfections in
either the head surface or manifold surface are sealed. The Hy-Tack will
also seal the coolant ports. If the Spray-a-Gasket is red, it's the same as
Hy-Tack. Use it on the side gaskets.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 12:45:11 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Mr G. intake gasket

> 
> 
> Isn't the Permatex Spray-a-Gasket red? I think it is. I remember it being
> exactly the same stuff as Permatex Hy-Tack. 

Yes it is,....and thanks!

kevin

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:58:30 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: lifter noise and part search

Hi All
    One Dam* lifter has started making noise in my 70 toro. Before I 
start taking things apart what is the current thinking on trying a quart 
of tranny fluid in with the oil? We did this a lot about 30 years ago. 
Pros,cons? Also I found a guy who says he can restore my rim blow 
steering wheel if I can come up with the switch for the horns. (that is 
essentially the rubber insert that goes all the way around the inside of 
the wheel which you squeeze to blow the horns) I am told that it is 
quite different from the ford and chrysler switches. Any one got any 
idea where one might be had?
Thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 14:19:22 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: lifter noise and part search

Hi John; while I have used auto trans. fluid in the engine oil before, with
mixed results, I have had a bit better luck with "Marvel Mystery Oil", it
appears to have a bit more detergent in it. It has worked wonders on
sticky lifters for me. On a side note, did you get the stainless door trim?,
'cause I'm planning on going to the local PNP and rape that 76 Toro some
more, and if they are still there I'll grab them for you.

Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Kelsey" <ribspot@pop4.net>
To: "olds list" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: "toro list" <thelist@toronado.net>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:58 PM
Subject: lifter noise and part search


> Hi All
>     One Dam* lifter has started making noise in my 70 toro. Before I
> start taking things apart what is the current thinking on trying a quart
> of tranny fluid in with the oil? We did this a lot about 30 years ago.
> Pros,cons? Also I found a guy who says he can restore my rim blow
> steering wheel if I can come up with the switch for the horns. (that is
> essentially the rubber insert that goes all the way around the inside of
> the wheel which you squeeze to blow the horns) I am told that it is
> quite different from the ford and chrysler switches. Any one got any
> idea where one might be had?
> Thanks
> John Kelsey
> Dayton Ohio
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:53:33 -0600
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: lifter noise and part search

Before you start tearing things apart, be sure its 
not a worn rocker arm.  Stick a thin feeler between 
each rocker and the valve stem, does it go away?  

Bruce Roe

12 Nov 2004  John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net> writes:
> Hi All
>     One Dam* lifter has started making noise in my 70 toro. Before I 
> 
> start taking things apart what is the current thinking on trying a 
> quart 
> of tranny fluid in with the oil? We did this a lot about 30 years 
> ago. 

> John Kelsey

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 16:05:54 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: lifter noise and part search

>     One Dam* lifter has started making noise in my 70 toro. Before I 
> start taking things apart what is the current thinking on trying a quart 
> of tranny fluid in with the oil? We did this a lot about 30 years ago. 


Try it. That might cure it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 18:07:43 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of plugging the exhaust crossover passage....

only problem is over time the oil gets baked to intake and results in carbon build up  which over 
time can get into oil pan and clogg oil pump.
i use windage tray and block exhaust cross over,run richer setting on choke  and let car warm up 
than drive it.
ron

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Speaking of plugging the exhaust crossover passage....


>> > Some may argue that it keeps hot oil off the underside of
>> the intake
>> > and
>> therefore gives a cooler air charge, but I argue that the
>> aluminum intake with 1000º exhaust gases flowing through it
>> has bigger problems than some 250º or so oil splashing onto it.
>>
>>
>> That's exactly why I plug the exhaust crossover passage and
>> let the hot engine oil warm the intake manifold. I'd rather
>> have 250F oil heat than
>> 1000+F exhaust heat, and the resultant denser air/fuel charge.
>>
>> Milton Schick
>> 1964 442 Cutlass
>> imp@theriver.com
>
> I just got done doing mine last weekend.  I packed the center port 80% full
> of aluminum foil, and then used the DEVCON to top over the foil and fill in
> the rest of the passage way.  The next day I filed down the excess to a
> smooth surface, ready for the freshening of my 455 in a few weeks.
>
>
> Steve Reed
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>
>
> 

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 00:30:23 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Got the spreadsheet of PN's, date of mods 11/12/04

At 09:31 AM 11/12/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>THANKS to Chaz...
>
>more recent than the copy I had.. by a month at least.
>
>Still lost all the carb and dist #'s and 100's of various misc things 
>that were entered as they popped up.
>
>How the hell can an Excel file just NOT BE THERE one day after just 
>using it previous day????
>
>Extensive file searches turned up nothing but the shortcuts that used to 
>point to it.

Right-click on the shortcuts, then Properties, and you should see the
directory they used to point to.

Open Excel, then do File Save As, and see what directory it wants to save
in as default, look in there.

Yeah, I rember you said you searched every X.xls filename but still....
Sometimes, when one isn't paying attention, one inadvertently clears the
file name or even accidentally switches the file type to something else
entirely different. However, even if that happened, it doesn't explain
where the original file went that you had just opened under a known name;
it should have still been there unless it somehow got deleted.

Another search you can try is filenames by date they were written/saved.

With big hard drives, I now set my programs (where given the option) to
create backups and those go into a totally different directory, not even in
the same main directory as any of my M$ Office files.

Another search you can try is searching for a particular sequence of
characters within files such as some part number or phrase.

Do you have yer machine set to display the extensions of ALL files, or are
the extensions of "known file types" hidden? It's beyond me to understand
why M$ thought that was any kind of a good idea; perhaps they expected to
sell their s4|77y software to people too dumb to figger out what a file
extension is.

It's also barely possible that you somehow switched file types to be hidden.

Another possibility is that the one time you last saved yer file, yer
computer time/date happened to be set to something way the heck off, such
as the year 2001. So don't look for just those recently saved most recently.

Another possibility is when you shut yer machine down, it might not have
actually powered down properly, or completely, while saving the file. Thus,
it could have created a file with a fragmentary file name that begins with
the character ~. If you watch the directory contents as you open M$ files,
you'll notice the original file name is still there but a new one is
created that begins with ~ which is the one yer actually editing. It's not
until you do a save that the original file gets overwritten, and then
usually only after it asks yer permission to overwrite the file "the file
already exists; do you want to overwrite the existing file?".

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 01:36:51 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: lifter noise and part search

Hello
We have been here before....
I have another vehicle(POS van) i have done the tranny fluid in the oil trick too a coupla times.
It will flush it clean fast...too fast,may loosen up other stuffs and then chunks floating around.
Some say to drive it for a while with tranny fluid,some say to even have it the quart over full,,i would keep it in there for a limited time and change oil fast and filter a few times till oil clean 20-50.
Then i would go for the thicker snake oils like stp oil treatment lifter flusher goopy syrup like stuff.
This should force the little pc. of crap outa the lifter.
Although the maybe rocker suspect is likely also,,,pop a valve cover?
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Syrup B.C.

John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net> wrote:

>Hi All
>    One Dam* lifter has started making noise in my 70 toro. Before I 
>start taking things apart what is the current thinking on trying a quart 
>of tranny fluid in with the oil? We did this a lot about 30 years ago. 
>Pros,cons? 

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