
oldsmobile-digest    Thursday, September 30 2004    Volume 01 : Number 5040



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Oil Filters / AC Delco
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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:03:41 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

"Dikes" is short for "diagonal cutters".

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----


Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
Rick.
- ----- Original Message -----


> At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >You tool abusers know who you are.
> >Get help now, before it's too late.
>
> Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((
>
> I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
> :o)))))))
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:06:29 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Oldsmobile man!
ford and real car in the same sentence.  must of had  some beers before you responded.
lol
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Steve, when you say "real car", are you talking about Fords?
> Why did I say that.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> 
>> At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
>> >the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
>> >the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
>> >on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
>> >I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
>> >manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.
>>
>> Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))
>>
>> I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used oil.
>>
>> And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of
> almost-filling
>> the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was starting
> the
>> engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
>> starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
>> pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure is
>> reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a cupla
>> seconds before pressure builds up.
>>
>> I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would die
> so
>> I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))
>>
>> SteveH
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:07:02 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

Never use a tool to install an oil filter. Snug and then half a turn (which
is about as far as you'll get it to go with your bare hands). It only has to
be tight enough that it won't leak or come loose.

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----

At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
>the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
>the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
>on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
>I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
>manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:04:51 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

I will go to my room and behave now
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> I'm tellin Greg............., you guys keep Saying chr*ler.........., I know
> that must be a dirty word!   Where's   Wandy , at.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> 
>> how true
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>>
>>
>> > At 10:06 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>yea but just think with out tool abuse, there would be no improved
>> >>versions. and the snap on  dude would have nothing to do.
>> >
>> > ...... except exercise his bill-collecting talents, using the 30"
> Chr*ler
>> > pryer bar for emphasis  =============8-O
>> >
>> > SteveH
>> >
>>
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:05:06 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

At 08:45 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
>butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!

I thot them was spelled the other way, with a y  ;o\

... And in my defense, I meant Diagonal Cutters  ;o|

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:08:20 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

Fram filters are junk. The insides are 100% paper. Even the end caps are
paper and they are glued together. There are many web sites out there from
people whose engines blew up when their Fram filter fell apart.

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:57 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on
> their top of the line units.

"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:07:23 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

either can I.
Ron

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Where's Taiwan when you need them.   OO'      This is getting silly.!!!!?
> I can't believe I spelt Taiwan right.      Rick M
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> 
> 
>> At 05:56 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
>> >> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
>> >> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>> >>
>> >> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on
>> >> their top of the line units.
>> >
>> >"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
>> >If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.
>>
>> Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made in
>> India.
>>
>> SteveH
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:10:13 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

the great thing about having dikes for neighbors; is they never ask you for squat. they fix there 
own car, cut there own lawn and would rather do things for
themselves than ask a man.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
> butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
> Rick.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
>> At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >You tool abusers know who you are.
>> >Get help now, before it's too late.
>>
>> Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((
>>
>> I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
>> :o)))))))
>>
>> SteveH
>>
>
>
> 

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:10:58 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

My first post on this was regarding things you should NOT do with
screwdrivers, like "you mean I shouldn't do this?" I wasn't really endorsing
this method in case anybody thinks so. The filter I took off today was
pretty tight after two years and required a tool to get it off.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:42 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:36:22 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
>
> >>You mean I can't jam a big screwdriver through a stuck oil
> >>filter to get it to turn?
>
> *cough*
>
> The (first and) last time I tried that, on a badly neglected
> '70 Bonneville, the metal casing of the filter simply tore as I twisted.
At
> this point I now had an immobilized car that I couldn't refill with oil to
> drive anywhere else for assistance (and which was currently sitting right
> bang in the middle of my parents' garage... ahem...).

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you see, this is what happens when you commit "tool
abuse".
Sure, it starts out simple, like SteveH using his torque wrench to
un-assemble
things, then it progresses to more and more serious abuses, until eventually
you
find yourself at the die grinder, reshaping the tips of your favorite needle
nose
pliers so you can remove that inside snap ring.
You tool abusers know who you are.
Get help now, before it's too late.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:12:15 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

That is similar to the ratchet one I have, except that instead of three legs
it has 2 curved sides that tighten as you turn the wrench. Only works in one
direction (and there's a reason for that).

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Hannu Pyssysalo
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:16 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Christopher Witt wrote:

>
> And what tool are we supposed to use on oil filters, now
> that the standard size I always used seems to be gone?

The best oil filter removing tool I have ever used is the three-legged
tool almost every el cheapo tool shop is trying to sell.  You can see a
picture on
<http://www.justoffbase.co.uk/s.nl/c.317638/sc.9/category.175/it.A/id.12227/
.f>
.
The most stubborn filter will go out, more or less crunched, but that
doesn't matter.

- --
Hannu Pyssysalo
Tampere, Finland
Vice President, Oldsmobile Club of Finland (OldsCF) <www.drive.to/oldsclub>
'65 Jetstar 88 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:10:48 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

we know that, but what the heck run with it
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> "Dikes" is short for "diagonal cutters".
> 
> John Nasta
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
> butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
> Rick.
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
>> At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> >You tool abusers know who you are.
>> >Get help now, before it's too late.
>>
>> Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((
>>
>> I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
>> :o)))))))
>>
>> SteveH
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:12:39 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

heck look at a what used to be a simple power window ckt or a horn ckt. they tossed in a bcm and 
split the ckt with other things. makes  troubleshooting fun on a 2004 caddy
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 10:49 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, ron wrote:
>>hell a mini van  today is car on steroids and full sized  just means more room for more stuff to 
>>be added.  there comes a point when knowledge gets carried away.  electric drive by wire steering 
>>and breaks, and other things, must be fun in a electricle storm.,
>
> I'd bet that model-T mechanics cussed the advent of the electric starter.  LOL.  However, you're 
> right about getting carried away on some things.  I've seen new busses roll out these days with 
> multi-plex.
>
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
>
>
> 

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 00:15:59 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

I would hope so, cuz dikes cutting toe nails could be  interesting
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:05 AM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 08:45 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
>>butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
> 
> I thot them was spelled the other way, with a y  ;o\
> 
> ... And in my defense, I meant Diagonal Cutters  ;o|
> 
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:17:35 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust

The only Effective method I have seen to killing rust is to actually kill it
, instead of covering it up; I.E De.Rusto any thing. This involves complete
cleaning and rust removal . This can involve many different and effective
methods. As for my self, I like acid, I penetrates the metal all the way to
where there is no rust., then the use of a proper neutralizer , and finish
off with a  propane torch. Just to make sure it is very dry; this has served
me well.  I Then use a Good rust killing primer/paint, and then finnish off
with one of the  "Bed liner"  spray on protecters. 3M makes some good ones,
as does bond-O.  This ........., for what it is worth, has worked very well
for me.  Some of the other "greater" minds on the list may have better
ideas. Good Luck!

Rick Messenger
76 98 LS coupe
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <clemke@email.toast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; <clemke@email.toast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust


> I got one suggestion to move someplace warm and dry. That's a good idea,
but I was also wondering if anyone had used the "paint on" type treatments
such as those sold by the Eastwood Company.
>
> Any experience you can share on rust treatment would be appreciated.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: clemke@email.toast.net [mailto:clemke@email.toast.net]
> Sent: 9/27/2004 10:44:03 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust
>
> > Hello
> >
> > What products do you recommend for stopping underbody rust. I currently
have minimal underbody rusting (a couple of places, looks like mostly
surface rust) on a 1995 Cutlass convertible, and would like to know what you
have found to be an effective treatment.
> >
> > Any advice you can share would be appreciated.
> >
> > Kenn
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:03:02 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

Shoot............, I never did lern to spel.
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> "Dikes" is short for "diagonal cutters".
> 
> John Nasta
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
> butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
> Rick.
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> 
> > At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> > >You tool abusers know who you are.
> > >Get help now, before it's too late.
> >
> > Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((
> >
> > I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
> > :o)))))))
> >
> > SteveH
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 02:01:55 -0300
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
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Now that would explain that why the Alternater would kill the enjun.
Darn Spell check quit wurkin.

Wick M.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> how could i forget those after all the amps put out 200 times the hp of
the engine
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:57 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > Now  RoN................, you forgot to mention the Woffers>
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> >
> >> stop fixing the chevy and it would die. but  by todays standerd what is
a
> > real car, late 60'-70's a
> >> real car had rear wheel drive, a firm shifting trans, a engine that
just
> > wanted to go, cool sounding
> >> exhaust. and weighed more than a refrig.
> >>  today its front wheel drive, beer can qaulity sheet metal or even
better
> > composite pnls, a 4 cyl
> >> thats muffled threw a 6 inch muffler  wide tires up front and narrow in
> > rear, enough neons to light
> >> up a country road, set  so low that a sewer drain removes most of the
crap
> > under the car.  almost
> >> forgot the nos bottle and decals.
> >>  hell a mini van  today is car on steroids and full sized  just means
more
> > room for more stuff to be
> >> added.  there comes a point when knowledge gets carried away.  electric
> > drive by wire steering and
> >> breaks, and other things, must be fun in a electricle storm.,
> >> just my 2 cents
> >> ron
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> >> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:21 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >>
> >>
> >> > At 06:27 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >>I was taught in 1960 to completely clean the oil filter base, coat
> >> >>the new oil filter rubber gasket with white lithium grease, tighten
> >> >>the oil filter to where it stops, and then place a band type wrench
> >> >>on it and tighten as tight as two fingers would turn the handle.
> >> >>I've never had a problem removing an oil filter installed in that
> >> >>manner, whether hot or cold, but cold is always tighter.
> >> >
> >> > Indeed, that's how my Dad taught me, some 40 years ago  ;o))))
> >> >
> >> > I've forgotten about the grease-part, though; I've always just used
oil.
> >> >
> >> > And since getting my BBA, I've taken the extra precaution of
> > almost-filling
> >> > the oil filter before installing it. The part you left out was
starting
> > the
> >> > engine after an oil filter change: NEVER, EVER rev it right after it
> >> > starts; either disconnect the distributor wire, crank and watch the
> >> > pressure gage till it rises, or let it run at low idle till pressure
is
> >> > reestablished. Even after filling the filter, mine still takes a
cupla
> >> > seconds before pressure builds up.
> >> >
> >> > I don't take such precautions on ole Ch*bbies that I just wish would
die
> > so
> >> > I could get a REAL car  ;o))))))
> >> >
> >> > SteveH
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:09:26 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

What for........, Greg's not gonna be back untill maybe ......., monday?
But then he said he was traveling through Washington.........., Fom Seattle.
I live in Spokane............, you don't think..............., no......, he
can't find me . Can he.
He's not a mounty is he?
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> I will go to my room and behave now
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:55 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > I'm tellin Greg............., you guys keep Saying chr*ler.........., I
know
> > that must be a dirty word!   Where's   Wandy , at.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> >
> >> how true
> >> ron
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> >> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 10:32 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >>
> >>
> >> > At 10:06 PM 9/29/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >> >>yea but just think with out tool abuse, there would be no improved
> >> >>versions. and the snap on  dude would have nothing to do.
> >> >
> >> > ...... except exercise his bill-collecting talents, using the 30"
> > Chr*ler
> >> > pryer bar for emphasis  =============8-O
> >> >
> >> > SteveH
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:10:59 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

I've screwed up again!   Who can I blame this one on.

Rick. Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> Fram filters are junk. The insides are 100% paper. Even the end caps are
> paper and they are glued together. There are many web sites out there from
> people whose engines blew up when their Fram filter fell apart.
>
> John Nasta
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 8:57 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
> > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
> > From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> > Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> > Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on
> > their top of the line units.
>
> "Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
> If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:12:10 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

did I spell India right.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> either can I.
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > Where's Taiwan when you need them.   OO'      This is getting
silly.!!!!?
> > I can't believe I spelt Taiwan right.      Rick M
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> >
> >> At 05:56 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:31:24 -0700
> >> >> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> >> >> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
> >> >>
> >> >> Fram makes a filter with the gripping rough top. It comes on
> >> >> their top of the line units.
> >> >
> >> >"Fram" and "top of the line" are mutually exclusive terms.
> >> >If you like your vehicle, use a real oil filter.
> >>
> >> Delco only for me, even though they seem reboxed and even possibly made
in
> >> India.
> >>
> >> SteveH
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:14:33 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

When Steve is right, he's wright.

Rick M
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> At 08:45 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is VERY
> >butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
>
> I thot them was spelled the other way, with a y  ;o\
>
> ... And in my defense, I meant Diagonal Cutters  ;o|
>
> SteveH
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:19:13 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

And what is even better, when they start looking fat,,,,,,, you can actually
say, MAN, your looking fat. Just ask all the guys! LOL.
Rick M
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> the great thing about having dikes for neighbors; is they never ask you
for squat. they fix there
> own car, cut there own lawn and would rather do things for
> themselves than ask a man.
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 11:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is
VERY
> > butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
> > Rick.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 7:06 PM
> > Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools
> >
> >
> >> At 05:41 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> >You tool abusers know who you are.
> >> >Get help now, before it's too late.
> >>
> >> Damb, I almost think he's serious  ;o(((((((((
> >>
> >> I use my dikes to cut my toe nails. What's being abused there?
> >> :o)))))))
> >>
> >> SteveH
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:24:30 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

I don't think they would use side cutters eithor.   Maybe wire strippers.
Have I gone and started something else.

So far this has been better than  Comedy underground.

Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> I would hope so, cuz dikes cutting toe nails could be  interesting
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:05 AM
> Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools
>
>
> > At 08:45 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >>Fella's ............, Steve said DIKEs, and my next door neighbor is
VERY
> >>butch:  Greg is not GoNNa like this!
> >
> > I thot them was spelled the other way, with a y  ;o\
> >
> > ... And in my defense, I meant Diagonal Cutters  ;o|
> >
> > SteveH
> >
>
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 01:30:35 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

Now we're talking about strippers. This list has really gone downhill since
Greg left.


- -----Original Message-----

I don't think they would use side cutters eithor.   Maybe wire strippers.

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:29:51 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

At 10:09 PM 9/29/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>What for........, Greg's not gonna be back untill maybe ......., 
>monday? But then he said he was traveling through Washington.........., 
>Fom Seattle. I live in Spokane............, you don't think..............., 
>no......, he can't find me . Can he.
>He's not a mounty is he?

It's gotta be the full moon; this plus two other very active reflectors I'm
on are outta site tonight  ;o)))))

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:36:24 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

At 01:30 AM 9/30/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Now we're talking about strippers. This list has really gone downhill since
>Greg left.

It's the full moon. Guaranteed.  ;o(

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 04:28:45 -0400
From: "Zito, James A (GE Energy)" <james.zito@ps.ge.com>
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools

>From Kenneth:

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Now you see, this is what happens when you commit "tool
abuse". 
Sure, it starts out simple, like SteveH using his torque wrench to
un-assemble 
things, then it progresses to more and more serious abuses, until eventually
you 
find yourself at the die grinder, reshaping the tips of your favorite needle
nose 
pliers so you can remove that inside snap ring. 
- ----------------------------------------

Wouldn't be more appropriate to be using the 16# sledge with the
blacksmith's anvil to do that job on the pliers?

Jim
has a nice set of craftsman pro snap ring pliers
found that a screwdriver and my thumb worked best on the inside rings on the
TH-400

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 06:39:03 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

> Actually, the local Shell oil dealer believes AC filters are Mfged by
> Baldwin. I think I agree, since my Baldwin trans filter for the Trans
Sport
> was identical to the AC filter that came out, including the embossed part
> number and the patent number and a GM group number. Obviously, the two
> filters were completely identical.

- ----------------------

AC Delco is the premiere reboxer these days.  I have seen some "Delco" parts
that were still in the manufacturer's box inside the AC Delco box.

On the filters, a  lot of them are being farmed out these days.  Some of
that is not so bad, as I have seen some types that were obviously Champion
Labs or Baldwin.  Both Champion Labs and Baldwin make a nice filter.  I have
seen some others from overseas that were obviously of far lower quality.
The other irritation is that the fluting on the bottom of the filter where a
cup type filter wrench tries to grab has changed from the traditional style
that my Snap On filter wrenches were built for.  I have strap type filter
wrenches, and even a couple of those jobs that work like an old fashioned
kitchen jar opener, but I like the cup type better as I tend to make less of
a mess using them.

For filters, I have switched to WIX (part of Dana / Victor) for new
purchases.  Still made in the USA and they fit my Snap On wrenches.  My
local independent parts guy carries them.  No one in my area carries
Baldwin.

On a side note, if you want a new water pump for your Olds or Chebby V8, buy
an Airtex.  90% of the "Delco" new water pumps for these applications are
Airtex in a Delco box.  The same pump in the Airtex box is 40% less at
jobber cost.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:44:00 -0500
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Did I mention that hot strippers are in my Olds with me every day? ;-) 
... when I i leave my tools in it and the car's in the sun.

- --Branson

>>Now we're talking about strippers. This list has really gone downhill since
>>Greg left.
>>    
>>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:00:16 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Oil Filters / AC Delco

I sent this before realizing that the thread had gone astray...  Resending
with a more appropriate subject line.

Regards,
Fred

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools


> > Actually, the local Shell oil dealer believes AC filters are Mfged by
> > Baldwin. I think I agree, since my Baldwin trans filter for the Trans
> Sport
> > was identical to the AC filter that came out, including the embossed
part
> > number and the patent number and a GM group number. Obviously, the two
> > filters were completely identical.
>
> ----------------------
>
> AC Delco is the premiere reboxer these days.  I have seen some "Delco"
parts
> that were still in the manufacturer's box inside the AC Delco box.
>
> On the filters, a  lot of them are being farmed out these days.  Some of
> that is not so bad, as I have seen some types that were obviously Champion
> Labs or Baldwin.  Both Champion Labs and Baldwin make a nice filter.  I
have
> seen some others from overseas that were obviously of far lower quality.
> The other irritation is that the fluting on the bottom of the filter where
a
> cup type filter wrench tries to grab has changed from the traditional
style
> that my Snap On filter wrenches were built for.  I have strap type filter
> wrenches, and even a couple of those jobs that work like an old fashioned
> kitchen jar opener, but I like the cup type better as I tend to make less
of
> a mess using them.
>
> For filters, I have switched to WIX (part of Dana / Victor) for new
> purchases.  Still made in the USA and they fit my Snap On wrenches.  My
> local independent parts guy carries them.  No one in my area carries
> Baldwin.
>
> On a side note, if you want a new water pump for your Olds or Chebby V8,
buy
> an Airtex.  90% of the "Delco" new water pumps for these applications are
> Airtex in a Delco box.  The same pump in the Airtex box is 40% less at
> jobber cost.
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:17:44 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Effective Way ot Stopping Underbody Rust

> I got one suggestion to move someplace warm and dry. That's a good idea,
but I was also wondering if anyone had used the "paint on" type treatments
such as those sold by the Eastwood Company.
>
> Any experience you can share on rust treatment would be appreciated.
- -------------------

The 2 most popular rust treatments are POR-15 and ZeroRust..
http://www.por15.com/
http://www.zerorust.com/

I've used both, and prefer the ZR.

drc

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:24:33 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

nope as i said  while the cats away mice will play.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:36 AM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> At 01:30 AM 9/30/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>>Now we're talking about strippers. This list has really gone downhill since
>>Greg left.
> 
> It's the full moon. Guaranteed.  ;o(
> 
> SteveH
>

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Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:25:40 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Best buys/ best tools

like a roller coaster outta control, all we can do is sit back n hope for the best.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 1:30 AM
Subject: RE: Best buys/ best tools


> Now we're talking about strippers. This list has really gone downhill since
> Greg left.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I don't think they would use side cutters eithor.   Maybe wire strippers.
> 
> 
>

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