
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, November 3 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5080



Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA
Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA
Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA
Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA
Re: compressors & tools
Steering boxes
need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)
Re: need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)
Re: Water pump
Re: need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)
compressors & tools
Water pump
Re: Water pump
Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA
Recomendations for a good Chrome Shop?
Re: Water pump
Re: Water pump
New acquisitions- 69 VC and M21
Re: New acquisitions- 69 VC and M21
Re: New acquisitions- 69 VC and M21
Re: Water pump

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 07:45:32 EST
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA

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In a message dated 11/1/2004 11:22:59 PM Central Standard Time,  
imp@theriver.com writes:

> I  couldn't tell if that was actually an Olds engine or something else.
>  Anyone know?
>
> Greg Beaulieu


I'll bet  dollars-to-donuts that it's a GM corporate LS series engine, like a
LS1,  due to the way the fuel injection system looks and the individual  coil
arrangement on top of the valve covers. There's a bunch of people  making
turbo systems, and twin turbo systems, for LS engines.

In the  latest issue of Car Craft, the magazine staff takes a 325HP rated  GM
Performance Parts bone stock crate LS1, complete with induction and  computer
in the entire GM package, and get 402 HP at 5700 RPM and 398  pounds of
torque at 4300 RPM from the LS1 346 cube engine. The magazine  does say that
GM engineers changed the computer program profile to a  "street rod"
configuration. The was the only change from the standard  production version
for a car.

If we applied the same techniques and  computer control to our Olds engines,
we could do exactly the same thing,  but it would cost a lot more money.

Whether or not the car is still FWD  or has now been converted to RWD, I
don't know.

Milton  Schick
1964 442  Cutlass
imp@theriver.com





OK, but Jay himself says it's a 425 in the video or was I just hearing  
things?
I'm going back to watch it again

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 09:54:28 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA

At Tuesday, 2 November 2004, you wrote:
>If that is still a front driver, he is going to be spending 
>plenty on tires, because there is no way for that power 
>to get to the road.

Heck: he'll just buy his own tire company and have them run off special 
sets of only a dozen or so.

I never did figger out what was so great about him compared to the 
Great One (Johnny Carson)  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:00:43 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA

At Tuesday, 2 November 2004, you wrote:
>OK, but Jay himself says it's a 425 in the video or was I 
>just hearing things?

There's 425 CID Ch*bby blocks available. Heck: name a displacement,
and SOMEONE will make a Ch*bby block and crank just for you. Ask 
them to do another marque and the answer would be "**** NO!!"

If that really is an Olds 425 that's been Ch*bbirized, Leno could 
make a few million more bux marketing the components right here, 
eh
;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 2004 10:07:35 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA

Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2004 20:16:01 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA

I couldn't tell if that was actually an Olds engine or something else.
Anyone know?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
================
Looks pretty much like the 2001 Vette LS1 engine I got at Padnos a year or 3 
ago. Well, mine came w/o the twins there. And w/o the intake. Still have it, 
still no firm plan for it.

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:41:08 -0500 
From: "Zito, James A (GE Energy)" <james.zito@ps.ge.com>
Subject: Re: compressors & tools

Here is my take, I used to have an old really OLD compressor...did I mention
it was OLD?
The thing was maybe 15-20 gallons and I can't recall the HP but will look
when I get home from the UK tomorrow (thank GOD)....

I was given this thing when I was in Guam, it didn't have a pressure switch,
had no cord and was missing tubing between the cylinders and going to the
tank.  I popped a pressure switch from a well water pump on it, managed to
bend some Cu tube and put compression fittings between the cylinders and ran
a steel braid hunk of water line to the tank.  I set up the switch to stop
the pump @ 80 psi but the hysteresis on it was like 40 psi.  So it would run
up to 80 cut out and decay to about 40-50 psi.  

I was able to run impact tools with this and even was able to media blast
for about 5 minute intervals however the low pressure didn't do a good job
of rust/paint removal.  For the blasting I sealed up the 20 gallon tank from
the previously mentioned water pump so I had 40 gallons to play
with.....until the pump tank split a seam.   And the old girl tossed a rod
while I was blasting after I lost the second tank.

Now I own I beeyootifuullll Porter Cable 6hp 60 gallon 130psi compressor
that gives 6 or 7 cfm @ 60 psi and about 4.7cfm @ 90 psi.  That beast can do
anything, continuous blasting, runs my air tools without any complaints hell
I think it would run all my air tools at once forever............

Did I mention my previous compressor was REALLY REALLY OLD????

Jim
69 442 Conv
in pieces.......
I need to get after the body guy hard this winter.........

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 16:15:10 -0500
From: Paul Hartlieb <62oldsfan@verizon.net>
Subject: Steering boxes

My steering gear box needs some work.  My mechanic suggested the steering store.com.  I remember someone here recently talking about their gear box.  Was it from this place?

Thanks,

Paul

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:10:30 -0500
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)

Greetings,

A friend of mine is currently working on a '72 Chevelle project which has 
taken a turn for the worse.  We have come to discover his frame has multiple 
areas of damage, enough so to render it useless; thus the hunt for a new A 
Body frame has begun.  Anyone on the list know of where we might find a 
decent replacement frame in the Mass/New England area?  Any leads are 
appreciated.

Thanks!

 ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++ 

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:58:09 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)

At 07:10 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>.....thus the hunt for a new A Body frame has begun.  Anyone on 
>the list know of where we might find a decent replacement frame 
>in the Mass/New England area?  Any leads are appreciated.

Don't forget to ask on the NEOC mailing list. And Jim Zito might have
something.

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:31:02 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Water pump

i wont use a oem water pump.
back in 1986 ihad just rebuilt my 455
 put 1700 miles on. decided to cruise the 77 olds with the  482 cube 455 out to iowa. no sooner did 
i hit route 33 in p.a. i hear a odd grinding sound while in left lane at 70 mph. i go to pull over 
when the fan blade with the pully and belys hit hood and punch hole in it after takeing out rad and 
shroud. but it got even worse the  peace of shit delco water pump had bored a hole in the timeing 
cover filling oil pan with water.
 and  nearest town was lets just say behind the times.
earl at the local store/fish n tacle /aouto repair/salvage yard. got me a rebuilt trw, new hoses and 
belts. and fan blade, no clutch fan or shroud or rad. timeing cover. gaskets
in a agrivated state i grabbed a ford fan with cluch assy bolted it on, grabbed a 4 core rad from 
1972 caddy, soiledered its holes and installed it,  made a home made shroud useing chevell shroud 
and a rivit gun. beat hood and welded the hole. drained oil and filter, ran engine to burp it. and 
drove to iowa. called  the dealership  in nj where i bought the  peace of crap. faxed them a bill 
for all the original new stuff that got damaged, and the unscheduled pit stop. they had me go to a 
dealer in iowa where they installed all new parts includeing the same  a/c delco water pump. the car 
made it 15 feet before  mayhem begun pump leaked. pump number 4 was the trw pump. that pump lived 
from 1986 till 1999 on the 455 then in a pinch stole that pump for my 350 in another 77 while the 
cutty with bb was awaiting a trans and rear.
same thing with my 1994 caprice 4 a/c delco pumps befor i got one that held water for more than 3 
days. oem is not always better.
ron
Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 1:35 AM
Subject: Water pump


> You might try a 73-78 motorhome (Olds powered GMC)
> water pump.  If that pump wasn't OEM, failures are
> pretty common.
>
> Bruce (uses only OEM water pumps) Roe
>
> 1 Nov 2004  JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:
>> It's been two years since I replaced my stock GM water pump
>> in my 72 Cutlass. I've been driving a lot of highway miles at
>> 4000-4500 rpms.  The pump is starting to spray my valve
>> covers from (Ithink) the weep hole. Is there any other water
>> pump I can use that may be more durable than the
>> stocker? Electric maybe?
>
>> Bruce
>
> 

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:36:18 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)

unique  auto and truck in nj has several 68-72 a body gm cars with good chassis. its a bit out of 
the way.
but i do drive to worchester mass to see a friend ocasionally. i would not mind trailering it if you 
would m,ake all the arrangements for trailer and a time  i can get it from salvage yard.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: need '69 - '72 A Body frame (non-olds)


> At 07:10 PM 11/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>>.....thus the hunt for a new A Body frame has begun.  Anyone on
>>the list know of where we might find a decent replacement frame
>>in the Mass/New England area?  Any leads are appreciated.
>
> Don't forget to ask on the NEOC mailing list. And Jim Zito might have
> something.
>
> SteveH
> 

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:39:50 -0600
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: compressors & tools

2 Nov 2004  "Zito, James A (GE Energy)" <james.zito@ps.ge.com> writes:
> I set up the switch to stop the pump @ 80 psi but the hysteresis 
> on it was like 40 psi.  So it would run
> up to 80 cut out and decay to about 40-50 psi.  

Those switches can be modified to reduce the hysteresis
to a more practical level.  I will be doing that on my latest 
compressor, which goes from about 100 lb to 75 lb.  
Otherwise its a great 1967 2 stage intercooled 150 gallon 
industrial unit.  The previous house owner left it for me, 
after I offered him several big ones.  Bruce Roe

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 20:16:51 -0600
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Water pump

That's interesting since I have never had an OEM failure in 
less than 70,000 miles, let alone several in a row.  Have 
been driving Olds for over a million miles now.  But rebuilts 
would have the balls fall out of  the bearings in maybe 
30,000 miles.  

Bruce (replaces water pumps at 60,000) Roe

2 Nov 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> i wont use a oem water pump.
> back in 1986 ihad just rebuilt my 455
>  put 1700 miles on. decided to cruise the 77 olds with the  482 cube 
> 455 out to iowa. no sooner did 
> i hit route 33 in p.a. i hear a odd grinding sound while in left 
> lane at 70 mph. i go to pull over 
> when the fan blade with the pully and belys hit hood and punch hole 
> in it after takeing out rad and 
> shroud. but it got even worse the  peace of shit delco water pump 
> had bored a hole in the timeing 
> cover filling oil pan with water.
>  and  nearest town was lets just say behind the times.
> earl at the local store/fish n tacle /aouto repair/salvage yard. got 
> me a rebuilt trw, new hoses and 
> belts. and fan blade, no clutch fan or shroud or rad. timeing cover. 
> gaskets
> in a agrivated state i grabbed a ford fan with cluch assy bolted it 
> on, grabbed a 4 core rad from 
> 1972 caddy, soiledered its holes and installed it,  made a home made 
> shroud useing chevell shroud 
> and a rivit gun. beat hood and welded the hole. drained oil and 
> filter, ran engine to burp it. and 
> drove to iowa. called  the dealership  in nj where i bought the  
> peace of crap. faxed them a bill 
> for all the original new stuff that got damaged, and the unscheduled 
> pit stop. they had me go to a 
> dealer in iowa where they installed all new parts includeing the 
> same  a/c delco water pump. the car 
> made it 15 feet before  mayhem begun pump leaked. pump number 4 was 
> the trw pump. that pump lived 
> from 1986 till 1999 on the 455 then in a pinch stole that pump for 
> my 350 in another 77 while the 
> cutty with bb was awaiting a trans and rear.
> same thing with my 1994 caprice 4 a/c delco pumps befor i got one 
> that held water for more than 3 
> days. oem is not always better.
> ron

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:37:50 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Water pump

interesting is not the word i would use.
just the way it has worked out me. others like you have good luck just not me.
ron.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: Water pump


> That's interesting since I have never had an OEM failure in 
> less than 70,000 miles, let alone several in a row.  Have 
> been driving Olds for over a million miles now.  But rebuilts 
> would have the balls fall out of  the bearings in maybe 
> 30,000 miles.  
> 
> Bruce (replaces water pumps at 60,000) Roe
> 
> 2 Nov 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
>> i wont use a oem water pump.
>> back in 1986 ihad just rebuilt my 455
>>  put 1700 miles on. decided to cruise the 77 olds with the  482 cube 
>> 455 out to iowa. no sooner did 
>> i hit route 33 in p.a. i hear a odd grinding sound while in left 
>> lane at 70 mph. i go to pull over 
>> when the fan blade with the pully and belys hit hood and punch hole 
>> in it after takeing out rad and 
>> shroud. but it got even worse the  peace of shit delco water pump 
>> had bored a hole in the timeing 
>> cover filling oil pan with water.
>>  and  nearest town was lets just say behind the times.
>> earl at the local store/fish n tacle /aouto repair/salvage yard. got 
>> me a rebuilt trw, new hoses and 
>> belts. and fan blade, no clutch fan or shroud or rad. timeing cover. 
>> gaskets
>> in a agrivated state i grabbed a ford fan with cluch assy bolted it 
>> on, grabbed a 4 core rad from 
>> 1972 caddy, soiledered its holes and installed it,  made a home made 
>> shroud useing chevell shroud 
>> and a rivit gun. beat hood and welded the hole. drained oil and 
>> filter, ran engine to burp it. and 
>> drove to iowa. called  the dealership  in nj where i bought the  
>> peace of crap. faxed them a bill 
>> for all the original new stuff that got damaged, and the unscheduled 
>> pit stop. they had me go to a 
>> dealer in iowa where they installed all new parts includeing the 
>> same  a/c delco water pump. the car 
>> made it 15 feet before  mayhem begun pump leaked. pump number 4 was 
>> the trw pump. that pump lived 
>> from 1986 till 1999 on the 455 then in a pinch stole that pump for 
>> my 350 in another 77 while the 
>> cutty with bb was awaiting a trans and rear.
>> same thing with my 1994 caprice 4 a/c delco pumps befor i got one 
>> that held water for more than 3 
>> days. oem is not always better.
>> ron

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:45:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Jay Leno's '66 Toronado @ SEMA

> >OK, but Jay himself says it's a 425 in the video or was I
> >just hearing things?
>
> There's 425 CID Ch*bby blocks available.


In crate engines, there's both a 425 and a 427 small block Chevy. Just
different bore sizes and strokes.


> Ask
> them to do another marque and the answer would be "**** NO!!"


No, they use the 2 words I hate and say, "That's 'old-school', why do you
want that?" Screw 'em.


> If that really is an Olds 425 that's been Ch*bbirized, Leno could
> make a few million more bux marketing the components right here,
> eh


I doubt he would be interested. There's no fun in that.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 19:19:06 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Recomendations for a good Chrome Shop?

Hey everyone - 

Wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a chrome plater that
has reasonable prices? I have a hood spear for a '66 Skylark and the 2 end
pieces on the trunk that need to be re-done, and I was quoted $425 for the
pieces ASSUMING they were in good shape (they are in OK shape, if they were
in *good* shape they wouldn't need to be rechromed!)

Seems pretty steep to me.

Doesn't need to be show quality, but if I'm spending the $$ they should be
nice.

Any thoughts or experiences?!

Thanks!

Albert
1965 Oldsmobile 442 (Target Red)
1965 Mustang (Rangoon Red)
1966 Buick Skylark (Black)
2002 Corvette Z06 (Millennium Yellow)

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:30:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Water pump

TRW and Sealed Power have always been the best water pumps.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: Water pump


> i wont use a oem water pump.
> back in 1986 ihad just rebuilt my 455
>  put 1700 miles on. decided to cruise the 77 olds with the  482 cube 455
out to iowa. no sooner did
> i hit route 33 in p.a. i hear a odd grinding sound while in left lane at
70 mph. i go to pull over
> when the fan blade with the pully and belys hit hood and punch hole in it
after takeing out rad and
> shroud. but it got even worse the  peace of shit delco water pump had
bored a hole in the timeing
> cover filling oil pan with water.
>  and  nearest town was lets just say behind the times.
> earl at the local store/fish n tacle /aouto repair/salvage yard. got me a
rebuilt trw, new hoses and
> belts. and fan blade, no clutch fan or shroud or rad. timeing cover.
gaskets
> in a agrivated state i grabbed a ford fan with cluch assy bolted it on,
grabbed a 4 core rad from
> 1972 caddy, soiledered its holes and installed it,  made a home made
shroud useing chevell shroud
> and a rivit gun. beat hood and welded the hole. drained oil and filter,
ran engine to burp it. and
> drove to iowa. called  the dealership  in nj where i bought the  peace of
crap. faxed them a bill
> for all the original new stuff that got damaged, and the unscheduled pit
stop. they had me go to a
> dealer in iowa where they installed all new parts includeing the same  a/c
delco water pump. the car
> made it 15 feet before  mayhem begun pump leaked. pump number 4 was the
trw pump. that pump lived
> from 1986 till 1999 on the 455 then in a pinch stole that pump for my 350
in another 77 while the
> cutty with bb was awaiting a trans and rear.
> same thing with my 1994 caprice 4 a/c delco pumps befor i got one that
held water for more than 3
> days. oem is not always better.
> ron
> Original Message -----
> From: <bcroe@juno.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 1:35 AM
> Subject: Water pump
>
>
> > You might try a 73-78 motorhome (Olds powered GMC)
> > water pump.  If that pump wasn't OEM, failures are
> > pretty common.
> >
> > Bruce (uses only OEM water pumps) Roe
> >
> > 1 Nov 2004  JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:
> >> It's been two years since I replaced my stock GM water pump
> >> in my 72 Cutlass. I've been driving a lot of highway miles at
> >> 4000-4500 rpms.  The pump is starting to spray my valve
> >> covers from (Ithink) the weep hole. Is there any other water
> >> pump I can use that may be more durable than the
> >> stocker? Electric maybe?
> >
> >> Bruce
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2004 21:33:34 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Water pump

TRW and Sealed Power water pumps are brand new. They are *not* rebuilts. For
Olds, they also have cast iron, sealed back plate impellers.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Water pump


> interesting is not the word i would use.
> just the way it has worked out me. others like you have good luck just not
me.
> ron.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bcroe@juno.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:16 PM
> Subject: Water pump
>
>
> > That's interesting since I have never had an OEM failure in
> > less than 70,000 miles, let alone several in a row.  Have
> > been driving Olds for over a million miles now.  But rebuilts
> > would have the balls fall out of  the bearings in maybe
> > 30,000 miles.
> >
> > Bruce (replaces water pumps at 60,000) Roe
> >
> > 2 Nov 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> >> i wont use a oem water pump.
> >> back in 1986 ihad just rebuilt my 455
> >>  put 1700 miles on. decided to cruise the 77 olds with the  482 cube
> >> 455 out to iowa. no sooner did
> >> i hit route 33 in p.a. i hear a odd grinding sound while in left
> >> lane at 70 mph. i go to pull over
> >> when the fan blade with the pully and belys hit hood and punch hole
> >> in it after takeing out rad and
> >> shroud. but it got even worse the  peace of shit delco water pump
> >> had bored a hole in the timeing
> >> cover filling oil pan with water.
> >>  and  nearest town was lets just say behind the times.
> >> earl at the local store/fish n tacle /aouto repair/salvage yard. got
> >> me a rebuilt trw, new hoses and
> >> belts. and fan blade, no clutch fan or shroud or rad. timeing cover.
> >> gaskets
> >> in a agrivated state i grabbed a ford fan with cluch assy bolted it
> >> on, grabbed a 4 core rad from
> >> 1972 caddy, soiledered its holes and installed it,  made a home made
> >> shroud useing chevell shroud
> >> and a rivit gun. beat hood and welded the hole. drained oil and
> >> filter, ran engine to burp it. and
> >> drove to iowa. called  the dealership  in nj where i bought the
> >> peace of crap. faxed them a bill
> >> for all the original new stuff that got damaged, and the unscheduled
> >> pit stop. they had me go to a
> >> dealer in iowa where they installed all new parts includeing the
> >> same  a/c delco water pump. the car
> >> made it 15 feet before  mayhem begun pump leaked. pump number 4 was
> >> the trw pump. that pump lived
> >> from 1986 till 1999 on the 455 then in a pinch stole that pump for
> >> my 350 in another 77 while the
> >> cutty with bb was awaiting a trans and rear.
> >> same thing with my 1994 caprice 4 a/c delco pumps befor i got one
> >> that held water for more than 3
> >> days. oem is not always better.
> >> ron
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 00:14:50 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: New acquisitions- 69 VC and M21

What a string of luck
today I find the Muncie M21 ? for cheap

AND... Mom alerts me to the 1969 Vista for cheap in the paper, no engine.
Went and viewed it tonite, looks good, the engine is in his '64 J88 now, I 
get the rest. Tempted to stick a 350 or 403 in it and make it go again. 
Radio works. Nice-ish seats.

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Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 05:28:18 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: New acquisitions- 69 VC and M21

At 12:14 AM 11/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>What a string of luck
>today I find the Muncie M21 ? for cheap
>
>AND... Mom alerts me to the 1969 Vista for cheap in the paper, no engine.
>Went and viewed it tonite, looks good, the engine is in his '64 J88 now, I 
>get the rest. Tempted to stick a 350 or 403 in it and make it go again. 
>Radio works. Nice-ish seats.

There might be folks in yer area of the country who would be innerested in
the VC, on the VistaCruiser Yahooey reflector.

What'd it originally have, 455?? Would be nice if he'd put the original
engine back in and have someone who buys the VC provide something else for
the J88.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 03:09:13 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New acquisitions- 69 VC and M21

> What'd it originally have, 455?? Would be nice if he'd put the original
> engine back in and have someone who buys the VC provide something else for
> the J88.
Probably 400, eh?
Would you be interested in reselling? I'm no where near Michigan now, but
will be within a month or so, and I want to acquire another wagon. VC is at
the top of the list.
Hit me off list, mebbe?
Thanks
Chris

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Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:37:28 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Water pump

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TRW and  Sealed Power water pumps are brand new. They are *not* rebuilts. For
Olds,  they also have cast iron, sealed back plate  impellers.




Where can I get them. Any stock #'s to fit my 72 Cutlass 350?
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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