
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, October 27 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5073



Re: Skirt knock??
Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament
Olds Muncie Tail Housing
RE: Be paranoid!
RE: Be paranoid!
Re: Skirt knock??
Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament
Re: 67 442 for sale
points alternatives
Engine Masters Challenge
Re: points alternatives
Re: Engine Masters Challenge
Re: points alternatives
Re: Yoko or Kumho? HTML Ooops!
RE: 67 442 for sale
Engine Masters Challenge
Re: points alternatives
Re: Engine Masters Challenge
RE: Be paranoid!
RE: Be paranoid!
RE: Engine Masters Challenge
Re: Be paranoid!

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:30:29 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Skirt knock??

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> piston skirts IS severe overheating. You not  only get galling of
> the aluminum on cylinder walls but the actual  composition of the >
piston's aluminum can weaken, thus allowing the  skirts to more-readily
> "collapse" inward.



Maybe that's why the newer cars, built with all Aluminum engines have cast  
iron sleeves molded into the cylinders, and Teflon like coatings forged into 
the  Aluminum pistons.
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:30:58 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

Andrew,

Here is the hood ornament on my 79HO:
http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/79ho/79hota02.jpg

Not a great photo as it features the whole car.  But what you described I
think is correct, and the picture looks like what you described.

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

> What puzzles me is that the image of the broken one that they sent me
(which
> I can forward to anyone who's interested) is not what I expected; it's an
> elongated-shield shape with a stylized wreath crest and "Calais" on a
black
> background in the middle. To me it looks more like what Olds put on their
> little FWD Calais (wasn't it?) a few years later.

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:35:35 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: Olds Muncie Tail Housing

I think I found one on ebay.  It has a passenger side speedo hookup.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7930680541

Eric

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:26:15 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Be paranoid!

>>My closest call with disaster under a rolling car was with a
>>little '71 Austin America I had many years ago.
>
>Good lord! The America... I thought we had the only ones sold
>on this side of the pond. Can you believe our family owned two
>of the things?

Well, sure: one to drive, one for parts. (DEALER: "You only want to buy 
_one_???")

>My oldest brother bought one first, brand new, but he was a
>British car nut. Inexplicably, my other brother bought another
>new one shortly afterwards, which was a total surprise since he
>was not afflicted with that disease.

Ours was bought new in '71, Dad drove it (if that is the right word) for 
about six years, then I took it to college, where I marveled at what a lot 
of back seat space you get if you slide the front seats all the way up and 
flip the seatbacks forward. I also had a honkin' big pair of Cibié driving 
lights on the front for that sporty appearance.

>>and the car immediately lunged forward and knocked me off my feet.
>
>I didn't think they had enough torque to do that. ;-)

Normally they don't (a stiff forearm and a stern "Down, boy!" will keep them 
at bay), but this one took me by surprise.

>Oldest brother kept his running for a while (he is a good mechanic)
>before trading it in on '70 Chevelle "Nomad" wagon. The other one
>succumbed to a cracked aluminum gearbox case and went away for a
>pittance. Last British car that brother ever owned.

Ours was sold to a Wisconsin State Policeman, who already owned one for 
unspecified reasons (although I think we can rule out chasing speeders), and 
we heard a year later that his daughter had somehow managed to pull the 
shift lever out by the roots in an unsuccessful effort to find Reverse gear.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:32:50 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Be paranoid!

>>My closest call with disaster under a rolling car was with a
>>little '71 Austin America I had many years ago.
>
>Good lord! The America... I thought we had the only ones sold
>on this side of the pond. Can you believe our family owned two
>of the things?

Well, sure: one to drive, one for parts. (DEALER: "You only want to buy 
_one_???")

>My oldest brother bought one first, brand new, but he was a
>British car nut. Inexplicably, my other brother bought another
>new one shortly afterwards, which was a total surprise since he
>was not afflicted with that disease.

Ours was bought new in '71, Dad drove it (if that is the right word) for 
about six years, then I took it to college, where I marveled at what a lot 
of back seat space you get if you slide the front seats all the way up and 
flip the seatbacks forward. I also had a honkin' big pair of Cibié driving 
lights on the front for that sporty appearance.

>>and the car immediately lunged forward and knocked me off my feet.
>
>I didn't think they had enough torque to do that. ;-)

Normally they don't (a stiff forearm and a stern "Down, boy!" will keep them 
at bay), but this one took me by surprise.

>Oldest brother kept his running for a while (he is a good mechanic)
>before trading it in on '70 Chevelle "Nomad" wagon. The other one
>succumbed to a cracked aluminum gearbox case and went away for a
>pittance. Last British car that brother ever owned.

Ours was sold to a Wisconsin State Policeman, who already owned one for 
unspecified reasons (I think we can rule out chasing speeders), and we heard 
a year later that his daughter had somehow managed to pull the shift lever 
out by the roots in an unsuccessful effort to find Reverse gear.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 14:30:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Skirt knock??

> Maybe that's why the newer cars, built with all Aluminum engines have cast
> iron sleeves molded into the cylinders, and Teflon like coatings forged
into
> the  Aluminum pistons.


No, that's not the reason.

Cast iron sleeves are the only reliable way to get proper ring seating and
long life in an aluminum engine. A perfect example of the failure of
aluminum cylinder walls was the Chevy Vega aluminum engine of the late '60s
and early '70s. It had silicon (glass) impregnated cylinder walls, which was
supposed to give long life. It didn't work, and the aluminum Vega engine was
a joke. Later, the Vega engine was modified for later model years with the
installation of cast iron cylinder sleeves.

Piston coatings are also for extended life. The piston skirts are protected
from cylinder wall wear, and the coating drastically cuts friction, making
the engine more efficient. The same goes for the white (usually) coating on
the piston top. It reflects IR back into the combustion process, making the
combustion process hotter and more efficient, while keeping that heat away
from the piston. The coating process can be a plasma spray technique. For
more info on the technology for spray coating engine parts and the
applications, go to this website:

http://www.swaintech.com/index.html

and this one:

http://www.calicocoatings.com/

If an engine overheats to the point where the cylinder walls expand and try
to freeze the pistons in the bore, nothing in the universe will prevent the
piston skirts from collapsing. The same applies to excessive side thrust
force at excessive, prolonged RPM. When the fatigue limit of the strength of
the aluminum piston skirt is reached, the skirt will fail. Nothing will stop
it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:22:39 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament

At Tuesday, 26 October 2004, you wrote:
>...they're looking for h*lp in finding a replacement 
>hood ornament for their '79 H/O.
>
>What puzzles me is that the image of the broken one that 
>they sent me (which I can forward to anyone who's interested) 
>is not what I expected; it's an elongated-shield shape with 
>a stylized wreath crest and "Calais" on a black background 
>in the middle. To me it looks more like what Olds put on 
>their little FWD Calais (wasn't it?) a few years later.

Indeed and in fact, the 79 H/O was built from a Calais; see here:
http://tech.oldsgmail.com/misc_styles.html

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:34:05 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: 67 442 for sale

At 12:06 PM 10/26/2004 -0400, John Orr wrote:
>  okay I will admit that the 67 442 that is for sale at 442.com is truly
>a nice car....  "BUT" 37,500.00  is it me, or does this seem just a bit high?
>what is there about this 442 that would make it worth that kind of money?


It does make my life entertaining at times... My primered, needs interior, 
#'s matching (but e-brock heads) 442 will currently go to the first person 
who offers OVER $10K.  However, with skyrocketing prices, I'm not sure I 
could afford to replace the car at that.


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:02:58 -0400
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: points alternatives

I have the original distributor in my Cutlass and would like to get rid of
the points.  In my 442 I first tried a Pertronix unit but was not impressed
when the magnets fell out of the ring, luckily the points were in the glove
compartment.  I then switched to an HEI which did barely clear the
aircleaner with OAI due to a carb spacer.  On the Cutlass (with OAI) I
prefer not to hammer the aircleaner for clearance, and would prefer to keep
the original dist. Does anyone have opinions on the Mallory Unilite
conversion or has Pertronix improved their design (i.e. no ring with magnets
to fall out of)?

Kurt Heinrich
OCA# 30442
71 Cutlass Supreme SX Convertible

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:48:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Engine Masters Challenge

From the MSD website:

The Popular Hot Rodding Magazine Engine Masters Challenge took place this
week at Bill Mitchell's World Products in Long Island, New York.

MSD once again sweeps the Popular Hot Rodding Magazine Engine Masters
Challenge. Here are the results:

1) Jon Kaase wins again with 1043.2 points.

After winning the 2003 Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge with it's 470-inch
big-block parameters, IHRA Pro Stock standout engine maestro Jon Kaase is
coming back to defend his well-earned title. Kaase is not only a proven
master engine builder and Engine Masters Champion, he's also one of the
biggest supporters of the Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge format.

"This Challenge is like fishing a lake no one's ever fished before. You drop
a line, and hope you pull out a big one, then, you have to hope it's bigger
than all the rest. It's truly an engine builder's dream--to compete
flywheel-to-flywheel with the nation's finest. I was honored to win last
year, and you can bet I'll be back with another Ford. If anyone is going to
take this title from me, they'll certainly have to earn it. I take this
Challenge seriously, and so should anyone else who has the guts to enter."

Kaase's formula is based on the Cleveland design, and will be topped with
Cylinder Head Innovations (CHI) "3V" heads. These heads were developed by
CHI from the second-place finishing engine from the inaugural 366-inch
battle. Now available to anyone who'd like a set, the heads will certainly
be key to Kaase finishing well. After seeing the masterpiece he brought last
year, all sights are set on Jon. It'll take plenty to beat him, and we're as
anxious as you are to see if anyone can.

2) W. Enterprises places second with 1031.2 points and a chevy entry.

CHARLES and DONALD WILLIAMS with MIKE WEAVER
W- Enterprises
Newport News, VA * CHEVROLET

The father and son team of Charles and Donald Williams proved plenty when
they took second place at the 2003 Challenge. Their carefully-designed fat
block showed the worth of well-researched components and careful tuning. We
expect a similar entry from the W-Enterprises team this year, and after
gaining invaluable experience at last year's Challenge and picking up a
multitude of connections as a result, we can expect a very competitive entry
from the Williams' and pal Mike Weaver this time. Charles shared his
strategy with us: "We plan to use a small-bore/long stroke combo like we did
in the previous Challenge. We'll run the same brand parts we used before,
since they worked so well. Expect a Holley carb, Edelbrock intake, and Comp
cam. We like the Brodix heads, World Products blocks, Ross pistons, and
Callies cranks that got us where we wanted to go last year. All the
components will have coatings, which we've learned really work. Charlie
Morgan will once again handle the carb tuning, and we hope to be solid
contenders once again in '04 at the Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge."

3) Tony Bischoff of BES places third with 1022.6 points with another Ford
entry. All the winners ran MSD Ignitions, coils and spark plug wires!

TONY BISCHOFF
B.E.S. Racing Engines
West Harrison, IN * FORD

Drag racer Tony Bischoff builds engines for his own race car and many
others, too. We saw some of his work in the Finals last year, but he
admitted he was less than happy with his own entry. Wanting another chance
to show his skills, Tony's back for more. Now that he knows how we play the
game we expect to see him in the Finals again, and maybe even write his name
on the big check.

Bischoff's combo is Ford Cleveland-based, checking in with preliminary
choices like a 4.06-inch bore and 3.95-inch stroke. The block will be a Ford
piece and it'll breathe through Blue Thunder heads. Bischoff is putting his
experience to work this year, and he told us how it'd go down.

"My engine design theory is based on cylinder head flow versus intake runner
length and cross-sectional width. We will also be trying out some new ideas
we've thought up and some other innovations that can only be classified as
out-of-the-box thinking."

We're anxious to see what Tony and his able crew are crafting, but
regardless of what it is, we're confident it'll make solid power. Bischoff
doesn't disappoint.
____________

Olds efforts, 5 out of 50 engines in the competition:

RANDY MALIK
R. M. COMPETITION ENGINES
Roseville, MI * OLDSMOBILE

Engine builder Randy Malik has been with the Challenge since its inception,
and has brought different makes of engine to each Challenge so far. He'll
continue this for '04, as he's chosen to build an Olds after already showing
his abilities with both Chevy (in the 2002 Challenge) and Ford (in '03)
powerplants. We really like Randy's approach, as his previous entries have
been budget-based and performed admirably. As we previously reported,
Malik's 470-inch Ford would have placed higher last year, but an aggressive
tuning session during the finals found him slightly down on power when the
competition pulls were made. His Olds will make use of a factory block and
the new Mondello/Knowlton Oldsmobile cylinder head.

Why did he chose an Olds at 410ci for '04? In his own words, Malik explains:
"These theories of reducing pumping losses and parasitic friction work with
all makes of engine. The parts for an Oldsmobile are harder to come by,
especially in small-block form, but this seems to be the perfect level of
displacement for the Olds design to be in perfect harmony. Everything inside
the engine can work together in the correct power band at 410 cubes, and the
2,500-6,500 power band where this contest is run is great for an Olds
small-block. If my calculations are correct, the small-block Olds not only
has a good chance, it will be the winner at the end."

DICK MILLER
Dick Miller Racing
Hernando, MS * OLDSMOBILE

Dick has been carrying the torch for the Olds faithful since we began the
Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge, bringing Olds-based entries to our Memphis
Regional test site in both '02 and '03, but a series of unusual glitches
have kept him from truly showing the potential of the traditional Rocket.
For the 2004 Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge, Dick is determined to show both
he potential in the Olds and his own formidable engine building talents.

While some have been quick to criticize Miller's past efforts, those same
individuals have yet to even enter the Challenge, let alone do better than
Mr. Miller. So, with a few more Olds in the running this year, we expect the
DMR Olds entry to not only finish, but to finish strongly. After the rough
road he's traveled so far, Dick is looking forward to some smooth
Rocket-powered sailing for '04, and we can't wait to see how well he does.
It's not easy to build a solid pump-gas Olds, but it's far from impossible.
The greater number of entries will certainly showcase the immense potential
within.

While some Olds fans are entering converted Olds Diesel blocks, others are
fortifying factory 350 "gas" blocks. Miller is taking another route
altogether, basing his entry on the 403 Olds--the largest of the small-block
Oldsmobiles and a common sight under the hood of many late '70s/early '80s
Trans Ams. The huge bore (4.381)/short stroke (3.385) 403-based Dick Miller
entry may have an edge, but we'll have to wait for the results to see. If
nothing else, Olds guys will see the small-block in many different flavors,
which should help shape their choices.

BILL TROVATO
BTR Performance
Rochester, NY * OLDSMOBILE

Bill Trovato's Olds has been seen on our pages racing in head-up, Street
Legal wars. Being one of the few Olds-powered Olds in the series might have
been recognition enough, but Bill has won more than his fair share of
rounds, proving the Olds can be built to be absolutely competitive with
other makes. Our pump-gas format only adds to this, with a broad rpm range
and the teaming of average torque and horsepower in our scoring. Makes like
Olds have more than a chance and some feel they've even got an advantage.

Travato's combo will be one many Olds fans will truly appreciate. He's
teaming a factory block and factory crank with the Edelbrock Olds cylinder
head. This head has been seen on many big-block Oldsmobiles, but Travato is
convinced it'll be a great way to feed 410 inches of small-block Rocket for
the Challenge. He told us why:

"I have built many hard running Olds engines, including my personal 403-cube
motor that makes over 1,200 hp w/ nitrous. I have designed and assembled
naturally-aspirated Olds engines in the 415ci range that have cranked out
800 horses with high compression on race gas. I feel these engines can make
as much as any Chevy or Ford, and I've proven this on the track at the NMCA
in my own car, and others."

We look forward to the results, and we hope to see Bill's Olds do well in
it's first Challenge competition.

TERRY FRITSCH Sr. and TERRY FRITSCH Jr.
FCR Performance
Omaha, NE * OLDSMOBILE

The Fritsch's 403-based build will incorporate the new Olds heads being
offered by Bulldog. We saw Bulldog's Cadillac cylinder heads in last year's
competition, and they did well--giving a new meaning to the term "Cadillac
performance." We appreciate innovation and parts development for
non-mainstream makes (like the Olds and Caddy), so we're hoping the Bulldog
head does well.

The Fritsch's know their Oldsmobiles, and are avid keepers of the
traditional flame. We have long believed in the potential of the 403 Olds,
yet we've seen precious few examples that truly screamed. This year's
Challenge may provide ample evidence, and hearing the "Terry's" tell the
tale makes you want to believe they can do it.

"We selected the 403 Olds because of its large bore size and breathing
capabilities. There is not another small-block that offers such a large bore
in a factory block, and we feel the 403 has been long overlooked as the
basis for a performance street engine. It needs a chance to prove its worth,
and we intend to do so in the Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge competition.
There's a host of Cutlass and Pontiac Trans-Am owners out there who'd love
to see this, and we're happy to show it to them and all the readers of PHR."

We're seeing a fresh influx of other new Olds goodies too, like headers from
Kooks (which the Fritch's have selected to run) and many new parts from
companies like BOP Engineering. We like seeing non-Chevys built to perform
on 92-octane using stock-block/stock-crank combinations like this, and we've
got high expectations on what the Fritsch family will bring to Long Island.

MIKE PETTIT
Pettit Racing Engines
New Milford, CT * OLDSMOBILE

We mentioned the variety of Olds engines this year as being something we're
happy to see. What's even cooler is that within the Olds entries are several
different approaches to Olds-based dominance at 410 cubes. Pettit is
starting with a Diesel 350 block, which was not a great passenger car
engine, but makes a great gasoline performance foundation. The engine will
be fitted with a stock crankshaft, and topped with Bulldog heads.

The 403-based Olds entries will be compared directly with Pettits, and we
know the many internet Olds-specific message boards will be lighting up with
discussion regarding the various philosophies at play in the Challenge
competition. This is encouraged by us, as building a better small-block Olds
is something we don't hear enough about. With a few new cylinder heads
coming to market, the small-block Rocket has never had such a bright future,
and we're hoping Mike Pettit can show our readers the true potential of this
lethal combination on pump gas. We've seen race versions of 350 Diesel-based
Olds pushing 900 horses, and it's about time we saw a few of these engines
refined for street use. The 2004 Jeg's Engine Masters Challenge seems like
the perfect place for it to happen.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:53:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: points alternatives

The MSD Ready-to-Run Pro-Billet Oldsmobile V8 Distributor
looks like it will clear everything.

http://www.msdignition.com/
click on products
click on distributors
click on the Olds distributors of your choice.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:02 PM
Subject: points alternatives


> I have the original distributor in my Cutlass and would like to get rid of
> the points.  In my 442 I first tried a Pertronix unit but was not
impressed
> when the magnets fell out of the ring, luckily the points were in the
glove
> compartment.  I then switched to an HEI which did barely clear the
> aircleaner with OAI due to a carb spacer.  On the Cutlass (with OAI) I
> prefer not to hammer the aircleaner for clearance, and would prefer to
keep
> the original dist. Does anyone have opinions on the Mallory Unilite
> conversion or has Pertronix improved their design (i.e. no ring with
magnets
> to fall out of)?
>
> Kurt Heinrich
> OCA# 30442
> 71 Cutlass Supreme SX Convertible
>

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 19:16:00 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Engine Masters Challenge

At 06:48 PM 10/26/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
>Olds efforts, 5 out of 50 engines in the competition:


I've not heard a thing at all about Malik.
Dick Miller did indeed finish the competition this year, after being 
plagued by 2 failures on the dyno in the last 2 years (both BB and SB 
challenges) (dyno sheet @ 
http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14949 )
Trovato finished 10th place overall.  (impressive dyno sheet posted on ROP)
Fritch didn't show.  Piston and head problems too close to entry date.
Pettit also a no show due to prior commitments (per ROP info)


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:51:14 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: points alternatives

Kurt/List,

If you're not interested in more spark than stock, the Stinger ignition 
system is en easy way to go.  Everything in the kit will mate up to your stock 
wiring -- it actually needs the resistor wire in place as per points-type 
ignitions.  Uses a points-style distributor so clearance won't be an issue.

The Stinger system uses a pole piece that presses over the rub block in the 
center of the distributor and a pick-up coil that mounts on a plate that 
replaces the one the points mounted to.  The only thing I would advise is to get the 
bushings in the distributor replaced or use a rebuilt distributor, it is 
picky about how much clearance is between the pole piece and pick-up coil -- too 
much and it won't fire.  It uses a small control box that can be remotely 
mounted to retain the "stock" look.  Also, if down the road you would want to 
upgrade your ignition system (with more power) the folks at MSD show how to use the 
Stinger's pick-up coil to trigger one of their ignition boxes in their 
detailed instruction pamphlets (which can be viewed online, I believe).

I purchased my Stinger kits from Dave Smith, and with the exception of using 
a used distributor for my daily-driver Cutlass in the 1990's I had no problems 
whatsoever.  I also used one of these kits (with a distributor that had the 
advance totally removed) in 1992 on my first "roundy-round" car, and it was 
good all the way to 6800 in a small-block W-31 wannabe.

Hope this helps, Take Care!
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:32:34 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
From: "Paul Pate" <rocket455@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Yoko or Kumho? HTML Ooops!

I just changed over to IncrediMail and forgot to set it to plain text.
Sorry!
Good program, by the way...  Just run Ad-Aware after you install it!
 
Paul Pate

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:37:25 -0400
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds6887442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: 67 442 for sale

For 37,500 it should at least have the correct air cleaner on it as 
well.................I know of a nice 67 W-30 for sale down the New Jersey 
shore :) for less money and it even has the correct air-cleaner :)



Erwin (formerly of NJ) Mendoza
OCA#29671
Bakersfield, Ca
No Oldsmobiles for now :(
mailto:olds6887442@hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 22:23:22 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Engine Masters Challenge

Thanks for the report.  I'm glad to see interest in the 403, 
which propels every one of my cars.  A reliable and economical 
engine, runs on 87 octane and has done 91mph in the 1/4 here 
in stock form.  

I realize the Challenge is supposed to be a competition, but 
I don't care if another brand puts out 4 more horses than an 
Olds.  I just want to see how good the Olds can be.  

And as good as those engines may turn out, they can all do 
better yet on the street with fuel injection.  

Bruce (fuel injected 403) Roe



26 Oct 2004  "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:

> The Popular Hot Rodding Magazine Engine Masters Challenge 
> took place this week at Bill Mitchell's World Products in Long 
> Island, New York.

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:45:53 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: points alternatives

Stinger is another option.


> Also, if down the road you would want to
> upgrade your ignition system (with more power) the folks at MSD show how
to use the
> Stinger's pick-up coil to trigger one of their ignition boxes in their >
detailed instruction pamphlets (which can be viewed online, I believe).


When I decided to switch Thunder over to MSD to replace the magneto, I sent
a stock points distributor to Stinger for a complete rebuild and set-up.
This was before MSD started making their fine billet distributors. I then
coupled a MSD 7AL ignition unit to my Stinger.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:54:03 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Masters Challenge

> Dick Miller did indeed finish the competition this year, after being
> plagued by 2 failures on the dyno in the last 2 years (both BB and SB
> challenges) (dyno sheet @
> http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14949 )


I sure want to know what Dick Miller did to that 403. 531 pounds of torque
at 5100 indicates a very big duration cam with a bunch of overlap. 599 hp at
6500 is sure stressing the main webbing. I really love power figures like
that while running only 163-169 degrees F for coolant temperature. That's
perfect, along with the 200-207 degree F oil temperature. Miller did a good
job on this one. I wonder why he didn't place higher in the competition?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:38:50 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Be paranoid!

On Oct 26, 2004, at 3:16 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:59:55 -0700
> From: "Tom Lentz" <tom@pebkac.us>
> Subject: RE: Be paranoid!
>
>>>> Be careful out there, guys!
>
> Boy, am I glad I chocked that rear tire last time I held the truck up 
> with a
> stick so I could weld on the gas tank...
>
> http://tom.pebkac.us/dumbass.jpg
>
> (no, that's not me, just some Darwin award contestant).

Ah, ignorance: it makes life so much simpler - and shorter, usually.
I can't claim ignorance, unfortunately, just a lack of observation, AKA 
'brain fade'.
>
> Tom.
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 06:25:00 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Be paranoid!

On Oct 25, 2004, at 7:36 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:00:41 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Be paranoid!
>
>>> I've always been pretty careful about proper safety
>>> when working under the car, but I tell you now that
>>> I will be completely paranoid about it. I know that
>>> entropy and Finagle are out to get me!
>>>
>>> Be careful out there, guys!
>
> Glad to hear you weren't badly hurt. Every little precaution you take 
> can
> pay off, especially if one backup fails but you have a secondary...
>
> My closest call with disaster under a rolling car was with a little '71
> Austin America I had many years ago. The starter solenoid on that car 
> came
> with a little red button on it that allowed you to bump the engine 
> over as
> needed, if you were working on ignition timing or whatever. This was a
> physical plunger button that shoved the solenoid contacts together, 
> not an
> electrical button, a fact which would be significant in a moment.
>
> So the car was nosed into a friend's garage, at the back of which are 
> two
> workbenches against the back wall, with a gap down the middle between 
> them.
> That gap would also be significant in a moment.
>
> I'm under the hood doing some sort of tuneup work, and I pressed the 
> button.
> I had, of course, left the car in gear.  :-(  Either the massive 
> current
> flow through the starter or a just-plain-sticky plunger served to keep 
> the
> solenoid engaged, and the car immediately lunged forward and knocked 
> me off
> my feet. I grabbed the grille with both hands as the car dragged me 
> forwards
> on my butt about two feet, stopping only when it rammed the 
> workbenches at
> the end of the garage. I was left sitting in the gap between them. I 
> have
> never forgotten the value of wheel chocks after that.

OK, I definitely would have need the Emergency Pants after that one... 
:-/
>
>>> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>
> Oh, great, now whenever you stop posting, we're going to have to send
> somebody round to check on you.  :-)

Sure come on by! Nobody visits me anyway... <sniffle>
:-)
>
>> When do the Darwin awards get released? Suspect I might know
>> a few future nominees.
>
> http://www.darwinawards.com

so what are you trying to say here? :D
>
> - -- Andy

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:19:50 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Engine Masters Challenge

This guy's about 5 miles from me.  Might have to check him out.  Anyone in
the Motor City area heard of him?

Thanks,
Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 9:49 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Engine Masters Challenge
> 
[SNIP]
> 
> RANDY MALIK
> R. M. COMPETITION ENGINES
> Roseville, MI * OLDSMOBILE
> 
[SNIP]
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 08:46:52 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Be paranoid!

that is a dumb ass if i ever seen one
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: RE: Be paranoid!


> 
> On Oct 26, 2004, at 3:16 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
> 
>> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 18:59:55 -0700
>> From: "Tom Lentz" <tom@pebkac.us>
>> Subject: RE: Be paranoid!
>>
>>>>> Be careful out there, guys!
>>
>> Boy, am I glad I chocked that rear tire last time I held the truck up 
>> with a
>> stick so I could weld on the gas tank...
>>
>> http://tom.pebkac.us/dumbass.jpg
>>
>> (no, that's not me, just some Darwin award contestant).
> 
> Ah, ignorance: it makes life so much simpler - and shorter, usually.
> I can't claim ignorance, unfortunately, just a lack of observation, AKA 
> 'brain fade'.
>>
>> Tom.
>>
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
> 
> Kevin Wright                                         
> krwright@sbcglobal.net
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html
> 
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
> 
> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
> parts if someone doesn't buy it!
> 
>

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