
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, November 21 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5097



Re: Olds.parts
Re: Olds.parts
RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Fwd: OT- need Skil cordless battery CHARGING INFO
Re: Olds.parts
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular  vs. cast
Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast
Re: Olds.parts
Re: Olds.parts
Re: Olds.parts
Re: Olds.parts
Re: Olds.parts
RE: nodular vs. cast , need factory specs!
Seeing Robert Demuth
Re: Seeing Robert Demuth
Re: R-12 replacement
Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
Re: Crankshaft Specifications
RE: Crankshaft Specifications

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 15:28:43 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

Hang on fella's, I am a fumbled fingered moron at times. I may have
transposed a number or slash wrong, so here it is again:
http://www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . I did this
3 times, and it worked every time, so I think it is right. He does have some
nice stuff. Sorry for the screw up........., my fault.
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
>
>
> > At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
> >>Hi fella's:
> >>
> >>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this
site.
> >>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
> >>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It
is a
> >>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
> >
> > That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and
nice guy.
> >
> >
> > Mark Mullins
> > Tucson, Az
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 16:08:40 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

Here is another auction site that is quite well stocked;
www.calcruisingauctions.com . Fun stuff!
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> Hang on fella's, I am a fumbled fingered moron at times. I may have
> transposed a number or slash wrong, so here it is again:
> http://www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . I did
this
> 3 times, and it worked every time, so I think it is right. He does have
some
> nice stuff. Sorry for the screw up........., my fault.
> Rick Messenger
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
>
>
> > is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
> > ron
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: Olds.parts
> >
> >
> > > At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
> > >>Hi fella's:
> > >>
> > >>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this
> site.
> > >>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may
be
> > >>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm .
It
> is a
> > >>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
> > >
> > > That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and
> nice guy.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark Mullins
> > > Tucson, Az
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:57:21 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Exactly.  Would need to know the grade or specifications involved.  Given
that information, I could tell you what they mean.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:05 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> Kurt,
>
> I knew the differences between casting and forging. What I wanted to know
> was the different grades of ductile/nodular cast iron and if
> there was a way
> to tell the difference when looking a two different parts? An
> example would
> be the difference, if any, between a Chevy cast iron crank and an Olds
> "nodular" cast iron crank. Is there a difference like I had been led to
> believe a long time ago, or is there no difference? I guess what we would
> need to know is the cast iron specification number on both cranks in
> question to determine which crank is stronger, or are they the same.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> > Nodular and Ductile Iron is the same.  As opposed to "regular"
> Gray Iron.
> > Of course there are many grades of both.  Gray Iron is usually in grades
> > according to tensile strength.  Like basic "Class 30" iron at 30,000 psi
> > tensile.  For Gray Iron, there is no measure of ductility, as there is
> > virtually none.
> > Ductile (or Nodular) Iron is spec'd initially with 3 numbers, like
> 80-60-03
> > with 80,000 psi, 55,000 yield strength, and 3% elongation.
> > But two other major differences between the cast and forged
> cranks is due
> to
> > the difference in the production method.  The casting process give you
> grain
> > boundaries that are not directional.  Forgings, due to
> hammering a billet
> > into shape, form directional grain boundaries (in the right direction)
> that
> > give the forging more strength. And despite the best QC controls, the
> > forgings are less prone to having inclusions, and *much* less prone to
> > porosity (gas and shrink), all of which weaken the part.
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:11:31 EST
From: DoobieKPB@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: OT- need Skil cordless battery CHARGING INFO

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In a message dated 11/20/2004 3:47:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:
not real sure what the flashing or not means on 
Chris,
Usually a fast flash means a bad battery cell, slow constent flash means 
charging, no flash
means charged. Skil is a divison of Robert Bosch Power Tools. They have a 
service center in Farmington Hills, give them a call or try Skils web page for 
futher info. 

Kurt Baker
56 Olds 88

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Have 18V cordless recip saw, not real sure what the flashing or not means on 
the charger. Anyone have such a thing they can send me a pic or paper copy 
of the manual that tells how to work the charger?

This is the 18V battery that slides fore-aft into place, no stalk sticks up, 
and has "charge gage" LED's built in at the back.

Sure will  be nice to have the cordless recip saw have some POWER
PS got 2 brand new batteries and the charger offa eVil for a mere $60 
delivered.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days



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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:37:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

Ron,

This worked in the original post from Rick:
www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
>
>
> > At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
> >>Hi fella's:
> >>
> >>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this
site.
> >>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
> >>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It
is a
> >>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
> >
> > That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and
nice guy.
> >
> >
> > Mark Mullins
> > Tucson, Az
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:48:21 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Kurt,

Then that gets back to the original post on Oldspower.com. The kneejerk
response from that list isn't correct either, for it assumes *all* cast iron
cranks are made from the same specification ductile/nodular cast iron, and
there's nothing in anyone's statement that indicates that is the case, or
isn't the case. We need to know the original factory cast iron specification
before *any* proclamation can be made.

Either that, or break off a chunk of cast iron crank from several different
cranks and have a laboratory analysis run to determine the content of the
cast iron in each crank.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
cast


> Exactly.  Would need to know the grade or specifications involved.  Given
> that information, I could tell you what they mean.
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> http://wmachines.shubes.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> > Systems, Inc.
> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 5:05 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> > cast
> >
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > I knew the differences between casting and forging. What I wanted to
know
> > was the different grades of ductile/nodular cast iron and if
> > there was a way
> > to tell the difference when looking a two different parts? An
> > example would
> > be the difference, if any, between a Chevy cast iron crank and an Olds
> > "nodular" cast iron crank. Is there a difference like I had been led to
> > believe a long time ago, or is there no difference? I guess what we
would
> > need to know is the cast iron specification number on both cranks in
> > question to determine which crank is stronger, or are they the same.
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > > Nodular and Ductile Iron is the same.  As opposed to "regular"
> > Gray Iron.
> > > Of course there are many grades of both.  Gray Iron is usually in
grades
> > > according to tensile strength.  Like basic "Class 30" iron at 30,000
psi
> > > tensile.  For Gray Iron, there is no measure of ductility, as there is
> > > virtually none.
> > > Ductile (or Nodular) Iron is spec'd initially with 3 numbers, like
> > 80-60-03
> > > with 80,000 psi, 55,000 yield strength, and 3% elongation.
> > > But two other major differences between the cast and forged
> > cranks is due
> > to
> > > the difference in the production method.  The casting process give you
> > grain
> > > boundaries that are not directional.  Forgings, due to
> > hammering a billet
> > > into shape, form directional grain boundaries (in the right direction)
> > that
> > > give the forging more strength. And despite the best QC controls, the
> > > forgings are less prone to having inclusions, and *much* less prone to
> > > porosity (gas and shrink), all of which weaken the part.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 18:49:55 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

At 06:48 PM 11/20/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
>  We need to know the original factory cast iron specification
>before *any* proclamation can be made.


I'd suggest contacting daveh from the ROP board.


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 20:57:40 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Factory spacs are preferred.  To get a "tell all" analysis from a lab, more
than a chemical analysis and microstructure is needed.  Some of the original
properties are arrived at by heat treating.  You'd need to run physicals
which would require machining a tensile test specimen from a sample.   And
with time and heat, these could have changed a bit, too.


Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:48 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> Kurt,
>
> Then that gets back to the original post on Oldspower.com. The kneejerk
> response from that list isn't correct either, for it assumes
> *all* cast iron
> cranks are made from the same specification ductile/nodular cast iron, and
> there's nothing in anyone's statement that indicates that is the case, or
> isn't the case. We need to know the original factory cast iron
> specification
> before *any* proclamation can be made.
>
> Either that, or break off a chunk of cast iron crank from several
> different
> cranks and have a laboratory analysis run to determine the content of the
> cast iron in each crank.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com


 

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:21:29 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular  vs. cast

> I'd suggest contacting daveh from the ROP board.


Mark, do you want to do that? You have much more familiarity with the ROP
board. Kurt would need the cast iron factory specification for Olds cranks
from '68 up to, maybe, '86 to see if the spec is the same or did it change
over time. Also, a spec difference between small and big block Olds cast
cranks.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 19:23:14 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs. cast

Kurt,

If we can find the factory specs, we'll see where that leads us.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:57 PM
Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
cast


> Factory spacs are preferred.  To get a "tell all" analysis from a lab,
more
> than a chemical analysis and microstructure is needed.  Some of the
original
> properties are arrived at by heat treating.  You'd need to run physicals
> which would require machining a tensile test specimen from a sample.   And
> with time and heat, these could have changed a bit, too.
>
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> http://wmachines.shubes.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> > Systems, Inc.
> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:48 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> > cast
> >
> >
> > Kurt,
> >
> > Then that gets back to the original post on Oldspower.com. The kneejerk
> > response from that list isn't correct either, for it assumes
> > *all* cast iron
> > cranks are made from the same specification ductile/nodular cast iron,
and
> > there's nothing in anyone's statement that indicates that is the case,
or
> > isn't the case. We need to know the original factory cast iron
> > specification
> > before *any* proclamation can be made.
> >
> > Either that, or break off a chunk of cast iron crank from several
> > different
> > cranks and have a laboratory analysis run to determine the content of
the
> > cast iron in each crank.
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 02:20:16 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

At 05:07 PM 11/20/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them

The address does work, you just have to be sure you copy it right then it
comes out as:
http://www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:24:44 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

i had figured it out.  remember im the king of miss spellin.and typo errors
keep the funny emails comeing .
take care
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> Hang on fella's, I am a fumbled fingered moron at times. I may have
> transposed a number or slash wrong, so here it is again:
> http://www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . I did this
> 3 times, and it worked every time, so I think it is right. He does have some
> nice stuff. Sorry for the screw up........., my fault.
> Rick Messenger
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
> 
> 
>> is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
>>
>>
>> > At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
>> >>Hi fella's:
>> >>
>> >>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this
> site.
>> >>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
>> >>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It
> is a
>> >>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
>> >
>> > That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and
> nice guy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark Mullins
>> > Tucson, Az
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 23:25:55 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

thats what i did move the dot. thanks
i checked the prices he is asking and new  is not much more, but i emailed him any way
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> Ron,
> 
> This worked in the original post from Rick:
> www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:07 PM
> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
> 
> 
>> is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
>> ron
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
>> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
>>
>>
>> > At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
>> >>Hi fella's:
>> >>
>> >>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this
> site.
>> >>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may be
>> >>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm . It
> is a
>> >>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
>> >
>> > That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and
> nice guy.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mark Mullins
>> > Tucson, Az
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> 
> 
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 22:05:38 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

Well, best of luck to ya Ron. I am searching for the fabled forged 455
Crankshaft, or some place that makes them. I find it incredulous, that only
Chevy can have one and we can't. All most seem like the wart of a lie, and
yet sure'in 'tis the truth; yet I shall still press on , I'm of a mind that
they can be found some where. I don't mind the lookin', that's how you run
across things. Well, blessings upon all, it's 10:05 PM, and the old body
needs a' lying down.
Rick Messenger
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: Olds.parts


> thats what i did move the dot. thanks
> i checked the prices he is asking and new  is not much more, but i emailed
him any way
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > This worked in the original post from Rick:
> > www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 3:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: Olds.parts
> >
> >
> >> is there a addy for him, i could use  3 of them
> >> ron
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
> >> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 4:17 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Olds.parts
> >>
> >>
> >> > At 08:42 PM 11/19/2004 -0800, Rick Messenger wrote:
> >> >>Hi fella's:
> >> >>
> >> >>               I was cruising the net for parts and ran across this
> > site.
> >> >>They have some forged Olds. cranks for sale. Thought some of you may
be
> >> >>interested.www.velocitypaintball.com/OldsPage/oldspartsforsale.htm .
It
> > is a
> >> >>real site been there twice. They have some nice used parts for sale.
> >> >
> >> > That would be Art Rizzi, one of the ROP regulars.  Sharp fellow, and
> > nice guy.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mark Mullins
> >> > Tucson, Az
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 06:21:42 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds.parts

At 10:05 PM 11/20/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Well, best of luck to ya Ron. I am searching for the fabled forged 455
>Crankshaft, or some place that makes them. I find it incredulous, that only
>Chevy can have one and we can't. All most seem like the wart of a lie, and
>yet sure'in 'tis the truth; yet I shall still press on , I'm of a mind that
>they can be found some where. I don't mind the lookin', that's how you run
>across things. Well, blessings upon all, it's 10:05 PM, and the old body
>needs a' lying down.

They're not a fable; buddy of ours on RocketTalk shore nuff found one
exactly where we was tole they would be found, a few years back: in a 2 bbl
low-compression '68 455 esconched within a Delta 88. God only knows why
those cars got them but moren one folk has found them there. I've got pix
of his, just like the description in the FAQ and with a bell-pure ring to it.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 09:42:51 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: nodular vs. cast , need factory specs!

Okay.  Word is out:  We're looking for factory crank material
specifications!

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 9:23 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> Kurt,
>
> If we can find the factory specs, we'll see where that leads us.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:57 PM
> Subject: RE: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now nodular vs.
> cast
>
>
> > Factory spacs are preferred.  To get a "tell all" analysis from a lab,
> more
> > than a chemical analysis and microstructure is needed.  Some of the
> original
> > properties are arrived at by heat treating.  You'd need to run physicals
> > which would require machining a tensile test specimen from a
> sample.   And
> > with time and heat, these could have changed a bit, too.
> >
> >
> > Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> > http://wmachines.shubes.net
> > '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> > '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> > '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> > > Systems, Inc.
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 8:48 PM
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: was - Re: is the 425 the best olds engine?, now
> nodular vs.
> > > cast
> > >
> > >
> > > Kurt,
> > >
> > > Then that gets back to the original post on Oldspower.com.
> The kneejerk
> > > response from that list isn't correct either, for it assumes
> > > *all* cast iron
> > > cranks are made from the same specification ductile/nodular cast iron,
> and
> > > there's nothing in anyone's statement that indicates that is the case,
> or
> > > isn't the case. We need to know the original factory cast iron
> > > specification
> > > before *any* proclamation can be made.
> > >
> > > Either that, or break off a chunk of cast iron crank from several
> > > different
> > > cranks and have a laboratory analysis run to determine the content of
> the
> > > cast iron in each crank.
> > >
> > > Milton Schick
> > > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

 

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 11:55:14 -0600
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Seeing Robert Demuth

Bob,
    If you're still out there shoot me an email.  The Addy I have bounced
back to me this afternoon.
 
- -Steve

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 13:11:26 EST
From: Oldz69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Seeing Robert Demuth

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I'm here!!!

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Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:03:07 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement

On Nov 19, 2004, at 6:34 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:31:24 -0700
> From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
> Subject: Re: R-12 replacement
>
>> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 16:34:23 -0600
>> From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: R-12 replacement
>>
>> A more efficient condenser core would be nice. The newest stuff is
>> parallel-flow (like a radiator) rather than multi-pass back-and-forth
>> like our OEM units.
>>
>> krw
>
> When I was replacing the radiator on the '71 I started comparing the 
> fin
> count with "modern" vehicles. The AC condenser on my Olds has 9 fins 
> per
> inch, whereas the condenser on the '98 Jeep Wrangler has around 21 fins
> per inch! Now that's a big difference. I thought the original Olds 
> radiator
> was suffering with 12 fpi, but it's not nearly as bad as that 
> condenser. If
> I could get a new condenser with the same fin count as my new radiator
> (14 fpi) I would be very happy (and a lot cooler, too).

Here's the parallel-flow condensers I saw:
http://www.ackits.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=Parallel

krw

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 15:21:17 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT

On Nov 19, 2004, at 6:34 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 01:33:34 -0500
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
> Subject: Re: Deck lid for 1970 442 2-door HT
>
> At 04:34 PM 11/18/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>
>>> You can't believe HOW MUCH I'd love to grab that car of yours, but 
>>> you're
>>> half a country away. :(
>>
>> I'd actually consider delivery if it weren't approaching the wrong 
>> time of
>> year to head north. I have godparents and friends of the family in 
>> Connecticut.
>> Never been up there, so a road trip might be cool - but it'll have to 
>> wait
>> for Spring.
>
>
> If you still have it in the spring, it would be a GREAT home for the 
> spare
> 403 I've got sitting around here... :)

Well, it's getting cold (-ish. not that it gets *really* cold, even in 
North TX) and wet now, so I doubt I'll be messing with it 'til April or 
so. In other words, there's a good chance it'll still be hanging about.

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 14:46:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Crankshaft Specifications

Kurt,

Dan just sent me this item.
- --------------

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
To: <imp@theriver.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:55 AM
Subject: Crankshaft Specifications


> Milton, The Olds History museum provided me with AMA Specifications
> (including the W 31) for the 70 OLDS Passenger Car series 33100 thru
34200.
> I know this does not cover the big block, and some of the e-mail
discussion
> is over my head because I haven't followed closely.  Any way the
> specification for crankshaft says:
> L6/250 350 L.C. 350 H.C.
>
> Material: Cast Nodular Nodular Iron (or) ASIS #1049 Modified


What? ASIS #1049 modified is a forged steel crank. For 1970? From the Olds
History Museum? What going on? 1049 alloy steel is a common material for GM
forged steel cranks.

I like that "or".


> Also lists other items like bearing clearances, material type etc that is
> not the subject of the e-mail.
>
> My point if material specs are available for the small block, it should be
> available for the bid blocks from the same source. I had not yet requested
> it for the 442.
>
> My latest list e-mails haven't been posting.
>
> Dan


Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 18:59:22 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Crankshaft Specifications

Well the AMA specs are where I headed too.
Pre-'68 has 1049 Mod for the V-8s.
'68-'72:
442 400s say "Nodular (std) and 1049 mod (opt)" with no further explaination
Cutlass say "....or...."
Big cars say "...(std)/(opt)..."
Toro says "Nodular"
So not much help with AMA specs.



Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 4:47 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: Dan Bodine; wmachine@shubes.net
> Subject: Re: Crankshaft Specifications
>
>
> Kurt,
>
> Dan just sent me this item.
> --------------
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
> To: <imp@theriver.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 8:55 AM
> Subject: Crankshaft Specifications
>
>
> > Milton, The Olds History museum provided me with AMA Specifications
> > (including the W 31) for the 70 OLDS Passenger Car series 33100 thru
> 34200.
> > I know this does not cover the big block, and some of the e-mail
> discussion
> > is over my head because I haven't followed closely.  Any way the
> > specification for crankshaft says:
> > L6/250 350 L.C. 350 H.C.
> >
> > Material: Cast Nodular Nodular Iron (or) ASIS #1049 Modified
>
>
> What? ASIS #1049 modified is a forged steel crank. For 1970? From the Olds
> History Museum? What going on? 1049 alloy steel is a common
> material for GM
> forged steel cranks.
>
> I like that "or".
>
>
> > Also lists other items like bearing clearances, material type
> etc that is
> > not the subject of the e-mail.
> >
> > My point if material specs are available for the small block,
> it should be
> > available for the bid blocks from the same source. I had not
> yet requested
> > it for the 442.
> >
> > My latest list e-mails haven't been posting.
> >
> > Dan
>
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>
>

 

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