
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, August 26 2004      Volume 01 : Number 5002



Re: Pulley Diameter Question
Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Intake wanted
'72 F/S
shipping a bumper
Pulley Dia. --- Next Question
Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
RE: Pulley Dia. --- Next Question
Caddys with the Olds motor
Caddys with the Olds motor
RE: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
1980 Olds Starfire 4 sale
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
RE: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: 1980 Olds Starfire 4 sale
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Pulley Dia. --- Next Question
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
'70 442 convert sold
B-Body spindle conversion FIXED !!! Thanks Guys
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
Re: Caddys with the Olds motor
403 Throwing Belts

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:26:44 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Pulley Diameter Question

jp,
My '68 Assembly manual lists pulleys in section 6-1 (page 110, sheet 198)
It lists code , part #, description, pulley diameter, outside diameter, # 
of grooves and car (a/c or std)
Also has a section on drive belts and drive ratios for the pulleys in 
question.  Hit me off list if you need specifics for the '68.
Ignore the last post on this subject... yappy wives make for accidental sends.

M


At 08:04 AM 8/25/2004 -0400, jp wrote:
>Does anybody know where I can find a listing of the diameters for the 
>various pulleys offered on the 350 & 455 engines in the 69-72 A Body cars.
>I recently asked Chris Witt and he said that he thought they were in the 
>Assembly Manual.
>I've looked all over my '72 Assembly Manual as well as the Illustrated 
>Parts Book.
>Nothing that I can find.
>Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>Thanks in advance,
>
>jp
>
>'72 Cutlass Convertible
>Vermont

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 23:16:27 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

By the way all . . slight correction.  I've just got info from the owner
that the car isn't a Delta, but it's a Regency.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:32:05 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Intake wanted

A fellow Olds guy here in Phoenix is looking for a standard cast iron 4 
barrel intake for a '70 to '72 350 for a restoration.  West coast 
preferred  for freight cost reasons.  Anybody have one?

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:37:09 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: '72 F/S

There is a real nice looking triple white '72 Supreme 2 door hardtop for 
sale on 442.com with 75,000  miles, and a/c, for $3,900.  It is in Clinton, 
NJ.  Somebody on the list should grab it if it is as nice as the pics and 
description say.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 06:47:24 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: shipping a bumper

UPS Ground.....Don't even wrap it. Just put a address label on it.

That's what I do.

Paul Tumolo, Principal
Edusult Performance Systems
6 Clark Street
Medway, MA 02053
Office: 508-482-0184
Mobile: 508-789-8191
E-mail: ptumolo@comcast.net
Website: www.edusult.com
 

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:12:39 -0400
From: jp <limitedattention@mac.com>
Subject: Pulley Dia. --- Next Question

Milton and Mark... thanks for the response and input.

I have another question and here's what I'm up to.

=========

I've built a 425 Fuel Injected using a 455 block and Edelbrock heads 
and manifold.

The motor dynos @ 480 HP w/ 510 Torque

I'm putting this in my '72 Cutlass using a TH 700 R4 that has been 
beefed up by Rossler Transmission  and I'm using Headers by Ed.

The car was originally a 350 with AC.

AC is now completely gone
Water pump is a GMB Aluminum
Power Steering Pump is re-built a little stronger
Alternator is 140 AMP because I'm running a hefty audio amplifier
Radiator is a high capacity Griffin

I'm trying to figure out the best pulley size/ratio given the modifications.

This is a daily driver and I'm NOT going to the drags.

I have more than enough Torque and HP so I'm not looking to squeeze 
every last bit.  I'd rather favor the life and well being of the 
motor - alternator - water pump etc.

=========

So my question is this:

Given the above information what would be the best size for the crank 
and water pump pulleys?  Larger ones or smaller ones or a combination?

Thanks,

jp
'72 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 08:31:27 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

At Wednesday, 25 August 2004, you wrote:

>By the way all . . slight correction.  I've just got info 
>from the owner that the car isn't a Delta, but it's a Regency.

Ohhh.... I'm not interested then, thanks anyway, Joe.

But I'm interested in a '77-'79 Delta 88 with 403, or '86-'90 Custom 
Cruiser or Crapice wagon, if anybody within hundred or so miles of 
southwest Connecticut knows of one for sale reasonable.

Thanks,
SteveH



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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:17:42 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

> But I'm interested in a '77-'79 Delta 88


Better make that '77 or '78 Delta 88 with the 403.  The biggest engine in
the '79 88 was the 350.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:26:53 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Pulley Dia. --- Next Question

Whose fuel injection system did you use?  Is it throttle body or port
injected?  I'm in the process of injecting my 65 400.

As for pulleys if you simply want as much water flow as possible go with the
larger crank and smaller water pump pulley.  Did the water pump come with a
data sheet with perhaps a max rpm or optimal speed or anything to guide you
in your decision?

Eric



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of jp
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 7:13 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Pulley Dia. --- Next Question


Milton and Mark... thanks for the response and input.

I have another question and here's what I'm up to.

=========

I've built a 425 Fuel Injected using a 455 block and Edelbrock heads
and manifold.

The motor dynos @ 480 HP w/ 510 Torque

I'm putting this in my '72 Cutlass using a TH 700 R4 that has been
beefed up by Rossler Transmission  and I'm using Headers by Ed.

The car was originally a 350 with AC.

AC is now completely gone
Water pump is a GMB Aluminum
Power Steering Pump is re-built a little stronger
Alternator is 140 AMP because I'm running a hefty audio amplifier
Radiator is a high capacity Griffin

I'm trying to figure out the best pulley size/ratio given the modifications.

This is a daily driver and I'm NOT going to the drags.

I have more than enough Torque and HP so I'm not looking to squeeze
every last bit.  I'd rather favor the life and well being of the
motor - alternator - water pump etc.

=========

So my question is this:

Given the above information what would be the best size for the crank
and water pump pulleys?  Larger ones or smaller ones or a combination?

Thanks,

jp
'72 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:35:45 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Caddys with the Olds motor

Fellow listers,
My cousin has a 1983 (I think) Cadillac. He has a fuel injected v8 
engine. On the side of his car right by the front doors theres a little 
badge that says HT4100. Is this an Olds engine or is this a caddy 
engine? I remember reading on the list somewhere that caddy used olds 
fuel injected engines for a year or 2...

bunyan

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:36:49 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Caddys with the Olds motor

Fellow listers,
My cousin has a 1983 (I think) Cadillac. He has a fuel injected v8 
engine. On the side of his car right by the front doors theres a little 
badge that says HT4100. Is this an Olds engine or is this a caddy 
engine? I remember reading on the list somewhere that caddy used olds 
fuel injected engines for a year or 2...

bunyan

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:45:12 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Caddys with the Olds motor

I know some of the late 70s caddys used an Olds 350.  The later ones had an
aluminum intake.  Not sure about the 83....

Eric

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Paul White
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:36 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Caddys with the Olds motor


Fellow listers,
My cousin has a 1983 (I think) Cadillac. He has a fuel injected v8
engine. On the side of his car right by the front doors theres a little
badge that says HT4100. Is this an Olds engine or is this a caddy
engine? I remember reading on the list somewhere that caddy used olds
fuel injected engines for a year or 2...

bunyan

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:02:21 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

At 09:17 AM 08/26/2004 -0400, Fred wrote:
>Better make that '77 or '78 Delta 88 with the 403.  The biggest engine in
>the '79 88 was the 350.

Really?  Still not a bad motor . . but I'd always thought the Delta could
still get the 403.

I'd say AllData backs me on that, except that I really don't think I trust
their accuracy.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 10:57:31 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Thanks Eric! Hopefully someone else may add something as well. Im asking 
cause my cousin said look for a cadillac 350 motor. And im like has 
cadillac ever made a 350? Then I was like but wait. Olds put their 
engines in Caddys sometime or another...maybe he has an Olds 350...

bunyan

ebeaupre@eserv.biz wrote:

>I know some of the late 70s caddys used an Olds 350.  The later ones had an
>aluminum intake.  Not sure about the 83....
>
>Eric
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Paul White
>Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 9:36 AM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Caddys with the Olds motor
>
>
>Fellow listers,
>My cousin has a 1983 (I think) Cadillac. He has a fuel injected v8
>engine. On the side of his car right by the front doors theres a little
>badge that says HT4100. Is this an Olds engine or is this a caddy
>engine? I remember reading on the list somewhere that caddy used olds
>fuel injected engines for a year or 2...
>
>bunyan
>
>  
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:19:56 EDT
From: ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com
Subject: 1980 Olds Starfire 4 sale

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reworked, extra glass and door hardware, extra rear hatch,  interior is all there. 
Needs work, can send photos. Will have it at the swap  meet in Springfield, MO. 
this weekend. $350 for everything. I live in the St.  Peters area of Missouri 
call my cell 314-623-0983 or e-mail _ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com_ 
(mailto:ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com) 
 
Darren Palmberger
Assistant  News Letter Editor
& E-Mail Contact
Archway Olds Club 
St. Louis,  MO.


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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 09:21:44 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Paul White wrote:

> Fellow listers,
> ... says HT4100. Is this an Olds engine or is this a caddy engine?

 From the Cadillac 4100 forum 
http://www.cadillacforums.com/forums/archive/index.php/f-78

... "V-8-6-4" through the magic of an electronic control system that 
shut down two or four cylinders to conserve fuel in low-effort driving. 
Though a grand idea, this "modular-displacement" engine was plagued by 
as many problems as the Olds-built 350 diesel V-8 offered optionally for 
Eldo since '79. Both caused Cadillac no little embarrassment.

That was short-lived, however, for 1982 brought a new HT4100 V-8-"HT" 
for "High Technology." A 4.1-liter/250-cid gasoline unit, it was unusual 
for having a cast-iron head atop a cast-aluminum block. Though a bit 
short on horsepower -- 125 versus the 6.0-liter's 140/145 -- it proved 
utterly reliable, which was what counted. Just as nice, it mated to a 
new four-speed automatic transaxle with a gas-saving overdrive top gear.

So I'd say it is not an Olds.

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:42:17 -0400
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Caddys with the Olds motor

Hey Guys!

Still trying to finish up my 403 Caprice Wagon project.  The motor is a
403 w/ forged bottom and big blobk heads.  The engine can rev so quickly
to 6000 RPMS that it routinely throws all the belts off of it.  I am
hoping to keep A/C and Power Stearing.

I need to find a solution.  I know that Dick Miller has a kit for about
$550 to put a serpentine belt system on the engine.  Is there any
cheaper way?  Can anyone get Dick Miller products below retail???

Thanks guys

Christian Sager

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:03:56 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

The HT4100 was a C*ddy engine, 4.1L displacement. Nothing Olds about 
it. Dunno whether it was V6 or V8, nor whether it was RWD or FWD.


A few Sedan Broughams, I know beginning in '86 and going through 
'90 I believe, did get the Olds 307. Prior to 1981, a few C*ddies 
may have gotten the Olds 350. I dunno about between '80 and '86.

SteveH



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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:22:51 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: 1980 Olds Starfire 4 sale

I have someone in the Adrian MO area that is interested, can you email me
some pictures?

swannys78@adelphia.net

Thanks in advance.

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
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From: <ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 11:19 AM
Subject: 1980 Olds Starfire 4 sale


>
> Offered for sale one 1980 Oldsmobile Starfire GT. Not  running, Dark Green
> with Gold stripes, 3.8 V-6 4spd with extra set of heads  that have been
> reworked, extra glass and door hardware, extra rear hatch,  interior is
all there.
> Needs work, can send photos. Will have it at the swap  meet in
Springfield, MO.
> this weekend. $350 for everything. I live in the St.  Peters area of
Missouri
> call my cell 314-623-0983 or e-mail _ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com_
> (mailto:ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com)
>
> Darren Palmberger
> Assistant  News Letter Editor
> & E-Mail Contact
> Archway Olds Club
> St. Louis,  MO.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:06:39 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

> My cousin has a 1983 (I think) Cadillac. He has a fuel injected v8
> engine. On the side of his car right by the front doors theres a little
> badge that says HT4100. Is this an Olds engine or is this a caddy
> engine?

This is perhaps the crappiest engine Cadillac ever made.  It was an aluminum
block with iron liners and iron heads.  Loads of sealing problems resulting
in coolant in the oil and resulting catastrophic failure. They also have a
reputation for lower end structural failures.... You get the idea.  Every
now and then you will get a good one and it (with meticulous maintenance
including frequent oil and coolant changes and religious use of the coolant
supplement tablets) will last a long time.  Most expire by 60K miles.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:10:38 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

> cause my cousin said look for a cadillac 350 motor. And im like has
> cadillac ever made a 350? Then I was like but wait. Olds put their
> engines in Caddys sometime or another...maybe he has an Olds 350...

Cadillac installed Olds 350's with an early analog fuel injection system in
'75-'79 Sevilles and some '79-'80 Eldorados, as well as the CA spec '80
Seville.  They also used the Chevy 350 in some RWD models from '90-'96.

Alll '86-'89  (and most '90) RWD Cadillacs were powered by the Olds 307.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:13:52 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oops, I mean a Regency: was Re: 1977 Delta 88 4dr 403

> >Better make that '77 or '78 Delta 88 with the 403.  The biggest engine in
> >the '79 88 was the 350.
>
> Really?  Still not a bad motor . . but I'd always thought the Delta could
> still get the 403.

No.  The 403 was 98 or wagon only in '79.  While I prefer the 403, I really
have no issue with the '77-'80 Olds 350.  The problem on the 88 is that the
350 cars got the smaller brakes and associated wimpier running gear instead
of the better large pattern stuff used on the 98 and wagon.


> I'd say AllData backs me on that, except that I really don't think I trust
> their accuracy.

AllData is wrong.  I recall seeing listings for a V6 98 in 1977 on their
system once....  They never built any.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 13:17:38 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

> That was short-lived, however, for 1982 brought a new HT4100 V-8-"HT"
> for "High Technology." A 4.1-liter/250-cid gasoline unit, it was unusual
> for having a cast-iron head atop a cast-aluminum block. Though a bit
> short on horsepower -- 125 versus the 6.0-liter's 140/145 -- it proved
> utterly reliable, which was what counted.

- --------------------

This load of bull*hit is lifted lock stock and barrel form a Cadillac book
which is filled with inaccuracies.  The 4100 was far more of a headache for
Cadillac than the 8-6-4 or the Diesel.  The electronic control system worked
fairly well, but the basic engine was a real POS. That it was installed in
cars far larger than it was originally intended to power did not help any.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:26:54 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Pulley Dia. --- Next Question

> Given the above information what would be the best size for the crank
> and water pump pulleys?  Larger ones or smaller ones or a combination?


I'd use the smaller ones, 6 1/4" on both the crank and water pump, just like
a W30. If you have any overheating problems, switch the crank pulley to a 7
1/4" in order to handle the increased internal capacity of the aluminum
radiator. Just be sure to have a good clutch fan and tight radiator shroud.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 12:44:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Christian,

> The engine can rev so quickly
> to 6000 RPMS that it routinely throws all the belts off of it.  I am
> hoping to keep A/C and Power Stearing.
>
> I need to find a solution.


I don't understand why you're having a problem. With the correct stock
accessory brackets and true pulleys, it should not happen. Are you
absolutely sure all the pulleys are in alignment? Are you absolutely sure
the water pump isn't too short or too long for your pulley setup and
alignment? Thunder revs fairly quick also, and she's never thrown her very
long alternator belt.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:17:29 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

At 01:17 PM 08/26/2004 -0400, Fred wrote:
>> That was short-lived, however, for 1982 brought a new HT4100 V-8-"HT"
>> for "High Technology." A 4.1-liter/250-cid gasoline unit, it was unusual
>> for having a cast-iron head atop a cast-aluminum block. Though a bit
>> short on horsepower -- 125 versus the 6.0-liter's 140/145 -- it proved
>> utterly reliable, which was what counted.
>--------------------
>
>This load of bull*hit is lifted lock stock and barrel form a Cadillac book
>which is filled with inaccuracies.  The 4100 was far more of a headache for
>Cadillac than the 8-6-4 or the Diesel.  The electronic control system worked
>fairly well, but the basic engine was a real POS. That it was installed in
>cars far larger than it was originally intended to power did not help any.

To back Fred on this, a friend of mine works at a used-car dealership, and
they have a company they deal with that does warranties on their cars if
the customer wants it.

The warranty company will warranty any motor, including the V8-6-4, which
had some issues with the cylinder-switching components.  They will NOT,
however, warranty an HT4100.

I wonder what would've happened had it been all aluminum?

Also, I will give Cadillac credit for one thing only with the HT4100.  This
is the first time they went and made a smaller block to get a smaller
engine, rather than just taking the same massive block used for the 472/500
and just shrinking the bore again and again (first to 425 CI, then to 368 CI).

Unsuccessful, but at least they finally broke away from the "keep the same
block and crank and just shrink the bore" mentality.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:31:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004, Frederick Nissen wrote:
> This is perhaps the crappiest engine Cadillac ever made.  It was an aluminum
> block with iron liners and iron heads.  Loads of sealing problems resulting
> in coolant in the oil and resulting catastrophic failure. They also have a
> reputation for lower end structural failures.... You get the idea.  Every
> now and then you will get a good one and it (with meticulous maintenance
> including frequent oil and coolant changes and religious use of the coolant
> supplement tablets) will last a long time.  Most expire by 60K miles.

A friend had the later version which was a 4.5 liter engine and while they
had made improvements over the years, his had a very obvious bottom-end
knock by about 60K miles despite scrupulous maintenance. Being a glutton
for punishment, he traded it for the exact same model and year but with
lower mileage. So far, so good.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 16:28:54 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: '70 442 convert sold

> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:51:24 -0700
> From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
> Subject: '70 442 convert sold
> 
> The black '70 442 convert for sale on 442.com sold today for 
> $45,000.00.  Car is the one in Arizona. Owner is a club 
> member here.  Damn, 
> is this getting crazy or what??????????
> 
> Joe Varley
>        AZ

Hey, I thought they were gonna keep the '70. I guess I should attend 
more meetings to keep up with current events. 

So between the sales of the '70 and the '67 they probably netted more 
than my house is worth. No wonder I don't go to the meetings.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 21:11:41 -0400
From: travis gummels <travis@gummels.com>
Subject: B-Body spindle conversion FIXED !!! Thanks Guys

First, thanks for all the ideas and help!

Second, what are the spindle nuts supposed to be torqued to?  I torqued 
them down to 50ftlbs and then backed them off so the pin would fit.  The 
rotors turn freely and there is no play.

So Tuesday, my friend brought to work 2 galvanized steel discs that were 
exactly .135 thick and had a 1.5 inch hole in the center.  He had 
purchased a stack of these things more than 10 years ago from a salvage 
place and used them for .... spacers for the IROC wheels on his S10.   I 
took them to school Wednesday night, milled the center hole to 2.850, 
drilled a 5 on 4 3/4 bolt pattern then turned the plates on the lathe 
down to about 6.2" dia.  I wasn't so sure that .135 would buy me enough 
but it did!!  No more wheel scrubbing the caliper.  The only noise I 
hear is the pads wiping the rotor.  Took the car for a test drive and it 
rides ok for having the alignment completely out of wack.  If you look 
at the front of the car the wheels look like this /  \  ;)  So hopefully 
by Saturday afternoon I'll have an alignment and be able to take the car 
for a good test ride.

Thanks Again
Travis

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:20:54 -0700
From: "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Caddie's used a fuel injected version of the 350 olds engine about the 1979
model year, in Seville's as I remember. Not much performance, and due to the
early computer system, it was not that successful. Seems that just like the
8-6-4 it needed a higher performance ECM, something that would be possible
now with today's ECM's

I can't help wondering if a later style TBI unit would be adaptable to the
intake (look about the same) and then all that would need tweaking would be
the fuel mapping. Of course, first one would have to find a complete one of
these to play around with..

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 18:21:54 -0700
From: "David Manly" <dmanlyr@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Oh, the HT4100 is not a Olds engine.. 

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:17:03 -0400
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: 403 Throwing Belts

I've checked for all the pulley's to be true and they seem to be so.
The pulley setup on the engine was off my '89 307 and I feel this may be
part of the cause as its set up for a fairly fast belt speed.  When
switching to the short stroke large displacement 403 the ability of the
engine to rev will routinely blow perfectly aligned brand new belts off
the motor.  The engine is making around 410HP and high 400's in torque.
I am spinning the engine to around 6000 RPM.

I wish it was not happening but I cant really drive the car without
getting some sort of fix.  There are lots of smaller two groove pulley's
out there but few 3 groove options as I'm hoping to keep P/S and A/C.

Please let me know if anyone has any advice or wants to sell a
serpentine belt kit!

Christian

P.S.  We have tried about 4 sets of belts, some were the fancy Goodyear
cross cut belts, others were of the more traditional variety.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Infinite Space
Systems, Inc.
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 3:45 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Caddys with the Olds motor

Christian,

> The engine can rev so quickly
> to 6000 RPMS that it routinely throws all the belts off of it.  I am
> hoping to keep A/C and Power Stearing.
>
> I need to find a solution.


I don't understand why you're having a problem. With the correct stock
accessory brackets and true pulleys, it should not happen. Are you
absolutely sure all the pulleys are in alignment? Are you absolutely
sure
the water pump isn't too short or too long for your pulley setup and
alignment? Thunder revs fairly quick also, and she's never thrown her
very
long alternator belt.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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