
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, October 28 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5075



For those of you in AZ W/$$ to burn...
Re: Skirt knock?
Re: For those of you in AZ W/$$ to burn...
Carb choices at high altitude
RE: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament)
Re: Carb choices at high altitude
Carb choices at high altitude
Re: SWP THM400
Re: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament)
87 Olds Cutlass Supreme  for sale
f/s 1969 Cutlass dash pad, console, etc.
87 Olds Cutlass for sale
Wide Band o2 Sensor  Was Re: HB Installer
56 Olds Brake Drums?
Re: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament)
Re: 56 Olds Brake Drums?
UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread
Re: 56 Olds Brake Drums?
Re: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread
Re: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread
RE: f/s 1969 Cutlass dash pad, console, etc.

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 19:38:33 -0500
From: Stephen Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: For those of you in AZ W/$$ to burn...

All,

I received this  8" X 6" over sized post card today for the "14th annual 
Turkey Day Classic Collector Car  Auction" @ The Diamond Ranch Friday in 
Gilbert, AZ @ the Diamond Ranch

Friday, Nov 26:         Car Auction: 1pm - 6pm
                         Memorabilia Auction 6pm

Saturday, Nov 27:       Car Auction:  10am

Gates open 2 hours prior.

1-800-BID-1957
www.icaauctions.com

Enjoy,


Steve Reed
'68 Cutlass
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:23:20 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Skirt knock?

> That's the price of fame Milt! By the way, since you are a NASA engineer,


I was a R&D engineer at the UofAZ working on NASA funded space engineering
research projects. I didn't work for NASA. Our small aerospace co. has had
one NASA R&D contract out of a dozen proposals sent in


> did you ever know Homer Hickam, another NASA training engineer.


No, I have never met him,


 We have the
> Movie "October Sky"( about Homer),


but I did see the movie.


> and as I was watching it I thought of
> you.If you haven't seen it, and like model rockets, it's a goodun!


Yes, I did too between 8th and 12th grades. My close friend (Allen Britt, 4
Oct 1946-2 May 2002, RIP) and I built many rocket engines and rockets. Our
best effort was launched in November 1963. She had 90 Gs of liftoff
acceleration and broke Mach 3 at 1000 feet with 250 pounds of thrust for 4.5
seconds.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 18:25:19 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: For those of you in AZ W/$$ to burn...

"Re: For those of you in AZ W/$$ to burn..."

That $$ immediately eliminates me.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com
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- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: For those of you in AZ W/$$ to burn...


> All,
> 
> I received this  8" X 6" over sized post card today for the "14th annual 
> Turkey Day Classic Collector Car  Auction" @ The Diamond Ranch Friday in 
> Gilbert, AZ @ the Diamond Ranch
> 
> Friday, Nov 26:         Car Auction: 1pm - 6pm
>                          Memorabilia Auction 6pm
> 
> Saturday, Nov 27:       Car Auction:  10am
> 
> Gates open 2 hours prior.
> 
> 1-800-BID-1957
> www.icaauctions.com
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> 
> Steve Reed
> '68 Cutlass
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:57:56 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
Subject: Carb choices at high altitude

A carb question for you all...

  I've got a warmed over 455 (10:1, 0.060 over, edelbrock performer cam and
intake, c heads) in my '69 Cutlass.  I live in northern New Mexico at about
7000 ft.  I sometimes run the car up to about 5000+ rpm because I like to.
Currently I'm using a Holley 3310 750 cfm square bore vacuum secondary carb.
I've had tremendous difficulty getting my Holley to run anywhere near a
stoich air/fuel ratio.  At best, I'm running a little rich (read with an O2
sensor and gauge in the car).  Given the smell, I have to agree with the
sensor!  I spoke with a local shop and the guy there had some success with
this carb at this altitude, but he said he had to replace the idle air
bleeds, which requires drilling and a heaping helping of cash.

  I've been running this Holley for about 8 years, and I'm honestly not
thrilled with its design or tunability.  I've been eying an Edelbrock carb,
specifically the EPS or Thunder Series AVS.  My main worry is that I can
only get these carbs at 600, 650, or 800 cfm.  The closest to my current
arrangement is the 800 cfm, but I don't really want to lose my idle
smoothness.  I'm also a little worried about losing my upper end if I get a
carb that is too small.  Has anyone had any experience with any of these
carbs at altitude?

  How about fuel injection?  My budget can't stomach it at the moment, but I
like the fact that a good fuel injection system can compensate for changes
in altitude on its own.  Holley has a setup in Jegs that you can mount to
your own modified intake manifold.  Has anyone tried it?  How difficult is
it to tune?  The only time I've ever put together fuel injection maps I had
a dyno at my disposal (no longer the case!).

Thanks for your input,
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 20:37:40 -0700
From: "Jeff and Sherie Stanish" <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: RE: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament)

YEP the  same except the 79 H/O has Black background and for the hood
ornament and header emblem.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of
1979hurstolds@earthlink.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:32 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking
for '79 H/O hood ornament)


Okay I went ebay hunting and found the following:
Please note that I'm not posting links to an active auction, I'm just
posting links to the pics in them!

http://i12.ebayimg.com/01/i/02/8f/75/69_1_b.JPG
Is a standard '78 to '80 Cutlass Supreme hood ornament (slightly worse for
the wear it looks like)  It has obviously got a square base... also evident
on the pic from my H/O below.

http://i17.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/b2/94/8b_3.JPG
Is an '80s (supposedly 442) Cutlass hood ornament.  It is quite obvious in
these pics that the two have different bases.  This one has a round base
that is not fully inset as the '79 one is.

So final verdict... the 1979 Hurst/Olds and the 1980 442 DID have a unique
hood ornament... but only in that the base is different!  Otherwise the
ornaments are exactly the same in appearance as the early 80's Calais
ornaments.  From Looking at this last picture I think it would be fairly
easy to modify one to fit with a dremel... but however it is not a bolt in
fit... so perhaps my last post was a bit hasty.

> check though... see for yourself... I can't find any difference between
the
> Here you'll find a nice close-up of the hood ornament on my '79
Hurst/Olds.
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/upload/P1010001.JPG
>
> Here you'll find a nice close-up shot of the hood ornament on my '84
Calais
> T-top car.  Again, I guess theres a chance its been replaced sometime
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/upload/P1010007.JPG
>
> Later Gang...
> Clayton Pierce,
> 1979hurstolds@earthlink.net
>
> 1978 to 1980 Olds Web Site
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/78-80olds/
>
> 1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
> 1979 Hurst/Oldsmobile W30 (white/gold)
> 1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-Tops)
> 1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
>

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Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:18:33 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Carb choices at high altitude

John,

I would use either an Edlebrock
EPS 750 cfm, square-flange, electric choke ....#1411 or
EPS 800 cfm, square-bore, electric choke ....#1413 or
AVS 800 cfm, square-flange, electric choke ....#1813.
I'm positive that if you talked with the Edelbrock tech support, they would
help you with proper jetting for your altitude. The AFB series carbs are
extremely easy to work on and tune.

Personally, from long years of experience, I simply hate all Holley vacuum
secondary carbs. The only Holley that is worthwhile is a double pumper. And
then you're stuck with the leak potential of a Holley, with gaskets that are
below the fuel bowl line. There are ***no*** gaskets below the fuel bowl
line in an AFB.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 7:57 PM
Subject: Carb choices at high altitude


> A carb question for you all...
>
>   I've got a warmed over 455 (10:1, 0.060 over, edelbrock performer cam
and
> intake, c heads) in my '69 Cutlass.  I live in northern New Mexico at
about
> 7000 ft.  I sometimes run the car up to about 5000+ rpm because I like to.
> Currently I'm using a Holley 3310 750 cfm square bore vacuum secondary
carb.
> I've had tremendous difficulty getting my Holley to run anywhere near a
> stoich air/fuel ratio.  At best, I'm running a little rich (read with an
O2
> sensor and gauge in the car).  Given the smell, I have to agree with the
> sensor!  I spoke with a local shop and the guy there had some success with
> this carb at this altitude, but he said he had to replace the idle air
> bleeds, which requires drilling and a heaping helping of cash.
>
>   I've been running this Holley for about 8 years, and I'm honestly not
> thrilled with its design or tunability.  I've been eying an Edelbrock
carb,
> specifically the EPS or Thunder Series AVS.  My main worry is that I can
> only get these carbs at 600, 650, or 800 cfm.  The closest to my current
> arrangement is the 800 cfm, but I don't really want to lose my idle
> smoothness.  I'm also a little worried about losing my upper end if I get
a
> carb that is too small.  Has anyone had any experience with any of these
> carbs at altitude?
>
>   How about fuel injection?  My budget can't stomach it at the moment, but
I
> like the fact that a good fuel injection system can compensate for changes
> in altitude on its own.  Holley has a setup in Jegs that you can mount to
> your own modified intake manifold.  Has anyone tried it?  How difficult is
> it to tune?  The only time I've ever put together fuel injection maps I
had
> a dyno at my disposal (no longer the case!).
>
> Thanks for your input,
> John Ramsey
> '69 Cutlass 'S'
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 01:48:08 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Carb choices at high altitude

The problem with carbs is they don't adjust well to extreme 
situations.  If you set it up for 7000', it will be too lean at 
sea level.  There was a Qjet with an altitude compensator 
in it, I've never actually seen one.  

Fuel injection fixes all that, but converting over is a big 
job.  There are quite a few EFI 455s out there, check on the 
GMC motorhome sites/lists.  The throttle body injection 
(bolts on where your carb was) is the simplest, but they 
all require extensive tuning to reach full potential.  That 
could include a computer spark map with a computer 
HEI from a 5.0L.  

I haven't heard too many good things about Holly EFI.  

If you are serious about tuning for the street, you ought to 
get a Wide Band OX sensor, which tells exactly how far 
from S you actually are.  Essential for EFI, but works on 
carbs too.   A bit expensive, there are a lot of units to 
choose from.  I make one for myself, which I prefer to 
the others.      Bruce Roe

27 Oct 2004  "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net> writes:
> A carb question for you all...

>  I live in northern New Mexico at about 7000 ft. 

> John Ramsey
> '69 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 00:03:53 -0700
From: Paul Kelleher <pjkell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: SWP THM400

bcroe@juno.com wrote:

>On the street, an electronic switch pitch controller really 
>puts that SWP to work, maximizing performance, 
>economy, and smoothness.  Bruce Roe
>  
>
Bruce:
Do you have a good source for the switch pitch controllers, or do these 
represent the kind of challenges that you guys who know your way around 
circuit boards take on?
Paul Kelleher

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 03:07:20 -0400
From: <1979hurstolds@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament)

> >http://i17.ebayimg.com/02/i/02/b2/94/8b_3.JPG
> >Is an '80s (supposedly 442) Cutlass hood ornament.
>
> Gee, that looks familiar... Oh, yeah: it's mine.
>
> I want to point out here that I am not claiming that it's a 442 hood
> ornament; I simply don't know. I think my wording is pretty clear:

Gee Andy sorry... I didn't mean for it to sound that way - as if I was
dis-agreeing... I didn't even read the auction to be honest... I was just
looking for pics.  I'm quite sure you have a better idea of what emblem goes
on which car in the 80's than me!

Later...
Clayton

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:27:06 -0500
From: Bob Edwards <bedwards@uark.edu>
Subject: 87 Olds Cutlass Supreme  for sale

87 Olds Cutlass Supreme 2 dr
V6 Automatic
Air Conditioning doesn't work
Runs good
new radiator and heater core (within last 18 months), front brakes, wheel 
bearings recently repacked
well maintained - oil changed every 2,000 miles
Fayetteville, Arkansas
$ 500.00
can e-mail pictures if requested

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 09:23:08 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: f/s 1969 Cutlass dash pad, console, etc.

http://tinyurl.com/3mtr3

should get ya there

Dash pad is pricey, but worth it
- -NO- bidders w/ under 20 feedback unless you contact me first!
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

http://tinyurl.com/3mtr3

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 08:37:38 -0500
From: Bob Edwards <bedwards@uark.edu>
Subject: 87 Olds Cutlass for sale

Correction on the 87 Olds Cutlass for sale it is a 4 door

>87 Olds Cutlass Supreme 4 dr  -- body pretty solid
>V6 Automatic
>Air Conditioning doesn't work
>Runs good
>new radiator and heater core (within last 18 months), front brakes, wheel 
>bearings recently repacked
>well maintained - oil changed every 2,000 miles
>Fayetteville, Arkansas
>$ 500.00
>can e-mail pictures if requested

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:07:31 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Wide Band o2 Sensor  Was Re: HB Installer

Hi Bruce,
    Can you elaborate on your wideband o2 sensor? Enquiring minds want 
to know!
Thanks,
Gene

>I have built a lot of tools when the official one cost hundreds 
>(or thousands, can you say wide band O2) of $.  But I don't 
>see why try to improvise something like this, when the ideal 
>tool at    J C Whit*ey is $28  SL147601B.  Bruce Roe
>  
>
>

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:29:33 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: 56 Olds Brake Drums?

I'm trying to track down front brake drums for my 1956 Holiday S88 HT as 
mine have been ground too thin. I've tried Fusick and USA Parts Supply. 
Anyone out there have any? Know where I can get them (aftermarket OK)?

Anyone know what years/vehicles these same drums were used?

Sincerely,

Nanook

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:54:18 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 79 H/O vs 80s Calais ornaments Final Look (Was Re: Looking for '79 H/O hood ornament)

>>I want to point out here that I am not claiming that it's a 442 hood
>>ornament; I simply don't know. I think my wording is pretty clear:
>
>Gee Andy sorry... I didn't mean for it to sound that way - as if I was
>dis-agreeing...

Quite all right... Given the size of the eVil site audience, I'm very 
careful with my wording when posting an item for auction. I don't state any 
fact unless I can back it up, and I certainly don't try to BS anyone if I 
don't know; there is always someone out there who _will_ know, and I don't 
want to make something up in a product description, only to have it come 
back to bite me.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:58:13 -0400
From: <1979hurstolds@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 56 Olds Brake Drums?

Try Napa auto parts... they carry a lot of HTF brake drums.  I searched for
like a month for a new brake drum for my '63 Chevy truck and nobody had
them.  The local Napa had them though... IN STOCK if you can believe that!
Can't guarantee anything... but give 'em a try.

Later...
Clayton

> I'm trying to track down front brake drums for my 1956 Holiday S88 HT as
> mine have been ground too thin. I've tried Fusick and USA Parts Supply.
> Anyone out there have any? Know where I can get them (aftermarket OK)?

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:40:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread

Not on the list, respond to cpchadwick@bigpond.com if you can assist.
Can anyone assist an Aussie? 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   "CP & ML Chadwick" <cpchadwick@bigpond.com>
Subject: 1970 cutlass 's' holiday coupe

Hi

I live in Morawa Western Australia and have been lucky enough to =
purchase a 1970 Olds Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe (especially since they =
were never sold in Australia!!) =20

Unfortunately the wheels and tyres fitted are not legal in this state. =
In order to make wheel and tyre modifications in WA I need to know the =
factory front and rear wheel track (distance measured across the vehicle =
from centre of tread to centre of tread) of this car.  I also need to =
know the factory original tyre size fitted to these coupes. I seem to be =
able to find almost ever spec except these one on the net.  I believe =
that it would have been fitted with 14 x 7 inch wheels.

Can you help me???


Thanks in anticipation


Craig Chadwick

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:35:22 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: 56 Olds Brake Drums?

At 11:29 AM 10/28/2004 -0700, Greg Tjosvold wrote:
>I'm trying to track down front brake drums for my 1956 Holiday S88 HT as 
>mine have been ground too thin. I've tried Fusick and USA Parts Supply. 
>Anyone out there have any? Know where I can get them (aftermarket OK)?
>
>Anyone know what years/vehicles these same drums were used?

   Kanter does list them in their catalog ( www.kanter.com)  but they're 
somewhat pricey at $150 front and $95 rear. I'd pray to the NAPA gods for 
this one.


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:25:49 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread

> Unfortunately the wheels and tyres fitted are not legal in this state. =
> In order to make wheel and tyre modifications in WA I need to know the =
> factory front and rear wheel track (distance measured across the vehicle =
> from centre of tread to centre of tread) of this car.


Can anyone here even comprehend a government that dictates what wheels and
tires one can put on their car?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:34:07 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '70 Cutlass S Tread

At 05:25 PM 10/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>>Unfortunately the wheels and tyres fitted are not legal in this 
>>state. In order to make wheel and tyre modifications in WA I need 
>>to know the factory front and rear wheel track (distance measured 
>>across the vehicle from centre of tread to centre of tread) of this 
>>car.
>
>
>Can anyone here even comprehend a government that dictates what wheels 
>and tires one can put on their car?

Yes; Germany is the same way only stricter. Some European countries have
incredibly restrictive regulations like this. It took a German on the Elky
reflector almost 6 months before he got his Elky past German inspection. He
had to obtain engineering specifications for the U.S. Wheel types that he
had and those had to be submitted for some kind of approval.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:56:49 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: f/s 1969 Cutlass dash pad, console, etc.

Why the private bidders, Chris?  Honest bidders don't need protection.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 8:23 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: f/s 1969 Cutlass dash pad, console, etc.
>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3mtr3
>
> should get ya there
>
> Dash pad is pricey, but worth it
> -NO- bidders w/ under 20 feedback unless you contact me first!
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3mtr3
>
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