
oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, November 16 2004     Volume 01 : Number 5092



Fw: 72 442 for sale
Re: 72 442 for sale
1959-60 Beehive springs 371
Re: 72 442 for sale
Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's
Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale
Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale
Re: 72 442 for sale
Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale
Re: 72 442 for sale
RE: Success!
Re: lifter noise and part search
Re: 90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's
Re: 90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's
Re: 1959-60 Beehive springs 371
Re: R-12 replacement
Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
Re: R-12 replacement
76 98 almost gone
Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things
Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things
Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things
Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:33:38 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Swick" <swickk@superpa.net>
Subject: Fw: 72 442 for sale

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kenneth G. Swick" <swickk@superpa.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:42 PM
Subject: 72 442 for sale


>I have a 1972 Olds 442 for sale ...
>
> I was fixing it up to be a driver, but am out of time and overseas too 
> much.
>
> 1972 442: Ralley package, in primer, new seat covers and headliner ... 
> needs rear window.  Car runs and drives.
> Comes with Protecto-plate and lots of paperwork including original window 
> sticker.  Vin: 3F87H2M152822
>
> Also : 1. Extra set of # 7 heads, one needs a new tower.
>           1. Spare 350 engine needing new rocker arms and
>              pushrods ... engine ran fine, but cracked a
>              rocker arm. Engine stand goes with it.
>           3. Core 350 block
> First $ 1500 takes everything I have. Ken Swick 

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:48:38 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 for sale

What's your location?
>
> >I have a 1972 Olds 442 for sale ...
> >
> > I was fixing it up to be a driver, but am out of time and overseas too
> > much.
> >
> > 1972 442: Ralley package, in primer, new seat covers and headliner ...
> > needs rear window.  Car runs and drives.
> > Comes with Protecto-plate and lots of paperwork including original
window
> > sticker.  Vin: 3F87H2M152822
> >
> > Also : 1. Extra set of # 7 heads, one needs a new tower.
> >           1. Spare 350 engine needing new rocker arms and
> >              pushrods ... engine ran fine, but cracked a
> >              rocker arm. Engine stand goes with it.
> >           3. Core 350 block
> > First $ 1500 takes everything I have. Ken Swick
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 02:14:52 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: 1959-60 Beehive springs 371

Hello
Does anyone have a cutaway drawing or manual for a 1959 or 1960 371?
I would like to know if the tapered(beehive) valve springs bases are seated on the heads or shims,,,, stock?
I am curious how the springs are perched on the bottoms to the heads.
The springs changed mid year with intro. of beehives in 58.
Is a 59 or 60 371 head casting the same as a 58 at the springs perches?
Thanks for any info.
Randy(picky with his harmonics) H.
58 Olds(beehives)
72 Cutlass(Windy)
72 Cutlass(Bumobile)

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:20:55 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Swick" <swickk@superpa.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 for sale

Gettysburg, Pennsylvania .... about 25 miles south of
Harrisburg and 20 north of Gettysburg along Rt 15
Ken 
- ---- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: 72 442 for sale


> What's your location?
>>
>> >I have a 1972 Olds 442 for sale ...
>> >
>> > I was fixing it up to be a driver, but am out of time and overseas too
>> > much.
>> >
>> > 1972 442: Ralley package, in primer, new seat covers and headliner ...
>> > needs rear window.  Car runs and drives.
>> > Comes with Protecto-plate and lots of paperwork including original
> window
>> > sticker.  Vin: 3F87H2M152822
>> >
>> > Also : 1. Extra set of # 7 heads, one needs a new tower.
>> >           1. Spare 350 engine needing new rocker arms and
>> >              pushrods ... engine ran fine, but cracked a
>> >              rocker arm. Engine stand goes with it.
>> >           3. Core 350 block
>> > First $ 1500 takes everything I have. Ken Swick
>>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:13:30 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"

At Monday, 15 November 2004, you wrote:

>I've seen this problem with several Astro vans at the company 
>where I used to work. Even the older models (95-96) had similar 
>problems with OD.

Sounds sorta like a worn lock-up torque converter. It should only 
happen in high gear (can happen to earlier, 3-speeds with lock-up 
torque converters, too) and, usually, above some minimal throttle 
level. At some point, the clutches inside the locked TC begin chattering,
just like a chattering manual tranny clutch. More throttle may either 
cause more chattering or, suddenly, the clutches lose their grip 
and the TC is slipping again.

To determine if this is the cause, simply lightly step on the brake 
pedal, enough to apply the brake lights. This breaks the electrical 
circuit to the torque converter's lock-up solenoid inside the tranny 
and makes it unlock. If the chattering ceases, there ye bes.

Allowing it to continue to chatter will cause the tranny fluid temperature 
to rise faster than if it were unlocked, not at all a good thing 
on a hot day. Using Frod Type F tranny fluid will make the chattering 
much worse as the fluid causes the clutches to grip then suddenly 
lose grip. I recently rode in a 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic whose 
owner uses Type F tranny fluid and every time his TC started slipping,
the whole car shuddered and vibrated and rattled like it was going 
over railroad tracks. Changing the fluid (using Dextron III) may 
alleviate the problem for awhile but it'll return until the TC is 
replaced.

Another possible cause is low tranny fluid pressure to the TC. This 
can be exacerbated by improper TV cable settings, too. The first 
thing to check out when you experience this kind of TC chattering 
is that the TV cable is properly adjusted. Next, get yer tranny filter 
and fluid changed if it's over, say, 40K miles old. Finally, start 
saving up for a new TC  ;o(

SteveH



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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:28:55 -0800
From: jayandcindy@webtv.net (Jay and Cindy Bognar)
Subject: 90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's

I might be looking for a late model Cutlass convertible. Probably the
last year; 1995.  I remember hearing about the biggest problem for these
cars being something with either the top or weatherstripping and that
related parts have already been disco'd by GM.  Anyone out there recall
the details?
Jay B.
86 442
95 Aurora
72 CS 455

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:22:55 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale

At Monday, 15 November 2004, you wrote:
>>I have a 1972 Olds 442 for sale ...

Where are ya???

Thanks,
SteveH



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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:25:46 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale

At 02:33 PM 11/15/2004, you wrote:

>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth G. Swick" <swickk@superpa.net>
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 7:42 PM
>Subject: 72 442 for sale
>
>
>>I have a 1972 Olds 442 for sale ...
>>
>>I was fixing it up to be a driver, but am out of time and overseas too much.
>>
>>1972 442: Ralley package, in primer, new seat covers and headliner ... 
>>needs rear window.  Car runs and drives.
>>Comes with Protecto-plate and lots of paperwork including original window 
>>sticker.  Vin: 3F87H2M152822
>>
>>Also : 1. Extra set of # 7 heads, one needs a new tower.
>>           1. Spare 350 engine needing new rocker arms and
>>              pushrods ... engine ran fine, but cracked a
>>              rocker arm. Engine stand goes with it.
>>           3. Core 350 block
>>First $ 1500 takes everything I have. Ken Swick
>

Location?


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:28:17 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 72 442 for sale

At 03:20 PM 11/15/2004, you wrote:
>Gettysburg, Pennsylvania .... about 25 miles south of
>Harrisburg and 20 north of Gettysburg along Rt 15

Ooops, your post came through right when I requested location.

I'm assuming a 350/TH350 combo?

What condition is the body under the primer?


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:37:26 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Swick" <swickk@superpa.net>
Subject: Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale

York Springs PA about 30 miles south of Harrisburg and 20 north of 
Gettysburg along Rt 15

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: 72 442 for sale


> At Monday, 15 November 2004, you wrote:
>>>I have a 1972 Olds 442 for sale ...
>
> Where are ya???
>
> Thanks,
> SteveH
>
>
>
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> 

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:49:54 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Swick" <swickk@superpa.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 for sale

Yes . 350/350
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: 72 442 for sale


> At 03:20 PM 11/15/2004, you wrote:
>>Gettysburg, Pennsylvania .... about 25 miles south of
>>Harrisburg and 20 north of Gettysburg along Rt 15
> 
> Ooops, your post came through right when I requested location.
> 
> I'm assuming a 350/TH350 combo?
> 
> What condition is the body under the primer?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________
> Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:15:16 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Success!

> Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 11:40:44 -0800
> From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Success!
> 
> Got the intake Gasket installed, works great, no leaks!
> 
> I think my intake is very slightly warped and have always had 
> a problem with turkey tray installations. This was soooo
> easy. I'll have to order some spares before some bean 
> counting arshole decides to discontinue them.
> 
> Kevin

Remember to re-torque the bolts after driving for a while. The composition 
gasket will compress as the metal above and below it expands, whereas the 
steel shim turkey tray does not. I had to re-torque my intake every month 
for 3 or 4 months.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 06:15:59 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: lifter noise and part search

Rick & Roxanne wrote:
> Hi John; while I have used auto trans. fluid in the engine oil before, with
> mixed results, I have had a bit better luck with "Marvel Mystery Oil", it
> appears to have a bit more detergent in it. It has worked wonders on
> sticky lifters for me. On a side note, did you get the stainless door trim?,
> 'cause I'm planning on going to the local PNP and rape that 76 Toro some
> more, and if they are still there I'll grab them for you.
> 
> Rick Messenger
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Kelsey" <ribspot@pop4.net>
> To: "olds list" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Cc: "toro list" <thelist@toronado.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 1:58 PM
> Subject: lifter noise and part search
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi All
>>    One Dam* lifter has started making noise in my 70 toro. Before I
>>start taking things apart what is the current thinking on trying a quart
>>of tranny fluid in with the oil? We did this a lot about 30 years ago.
>>Pros,cons? Also I found a guy who says he can restore my rim blow
>>steering wheel if I can come up with the switch for the horns. (that is
>>essentially the rubber insert that goes all the way around the inside of
>>the wheel which you squeeze to blow the horns) I am told that it is
>>quite different from the ford and chrysler switches. Any one got any
>>idea where one might be had?
>>Thanks
>>John Kelsey
>>Dayton Ohio
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
Hi Rick
    I still need the door trim if you get the chance within reason money 
does not really matter just let me know wehat you need
thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 12:30:10 -0600
From: kc <clemke@email.toast.net>
Subject: Re: 90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's

We have a 1995 Cutlass convertible. When the car was in for service, the
gentleman doing the work mentioned he had heard that the tops were prone to
leaking. For what it is worth, ours does not leak.

That said, we have only had the car for a year, and only drove it during the
summer, so I can't speak with great authority about leaks. I can say that
when did drive it in the rain, or when I washed the car, it never leaked.
The interior doesn't show any signs of previous leaks, either. This is not
the original top. It looks as though it was replaced sometime last year.

Also, hear is a head's up about the power plants in that car. It came with
either the 3.1  or the 3.4 dohc engine. From what I have read, the 3.1 is
much easier to service. This is because the 3.4 dohc is packed in the engine
bay pretty tight, so even simple repairs are complicated by the fact you
have to remove a lot just to reach what needs fixing. My regular mechanic
cringed when he opened the hood. Said he had a car with the same engine, but
got rid of it because of the difficulty involved with maintenance. In
addition, the 3.4 dohc also has specific maintenance issues including:

1. Alternator is mounted on the bottom of the engine. Supposedly more prone
to failure than a top mounted alternator due to lack of air movement and
exposure to road spray/dirt. In any event, replacing it is not a simple
task.

2. The 3.4 engine has an o-ring that goes bad and causes major oil leaks.
The o-ring is located on the oil pump drive that sits where the distributor
used to sit. Problem is to replace the 0-ring (when done correctly) requires
that you pull the rear head. Others have found work-arounds using JB Weld or
RTVe sealant. Actually I think this applies to the 3.1 engine, too.

3. Timing belt needs to be changed every 60,000 miles. Again, access to the
belt increases the cost/time/effort of this job.

Good resources for info are the message forums at
http://www.w-body.com/
http://www.60degreev6.com/

For what it is worth, we enjoy the car. It's fun to drive, has decent room
for four, and is nice looking.




> From: jayandcindy@webtv.net (Jay and Cindy Bognar)
> Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 09:28:55 -0800
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's
> 
> I might be looking for a late model Cutlass convertible. Probably the
> last year; 1995.  I remember hearing about the biggest problem for these
> cars being something with either the top or weatherstripping and that
> related parts have already been disco'd by GM.  Anyone out there recall
> the details?
> Jay B.
> 86 442
> 95 Aurora
> 72 CS 455
> 

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:21:06 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: 90's Cutlass conv. weatherstp. Q's

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jayandcindy@webtv.net writes:

might be  looking for a late model Cutlass convertible. Probably the
last year;  1995.  I remember hearing about the biggest problem for these
cars  being something with either the top or weatherstripping and that
related  parts have already been disco'd by GM.  Anyone out there recall
the  details?



A co worker of mine leased a '95 Cutlass Convertible, new in 1995. Ever  time 
it rained, she found a puddle on the rear driver's side floor. GM tried to  
fix the car three times, replacing the weather stripping and finally, the top,  
all to no avail. She invoked the lemon law, having her down payment, and all 
the  lease payments returned to her. Under the law, she was "made whole."  I 
think that problem was indicative of that year Olds, but I can't say for  sure.
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:46:08 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 1959-60 Beehive springs 371

> Does anyone have a cutaway drawing or manual for a 1959 or 1960 371?
> I would like to know if the tapered(beehive) valve springs bases are
seated on the heads or shims,,,, stock?
> I am curious how the springs are perched on the bottoms to the heads.
> The springs changed mid year with intro. of beehives in 58.
> Is a 59 or 60 371 head casting the same as a 58 at the springs perches?


Randy,

You threw me with this until I finally figured out what you meant. The
tapered beehive is at the top of the spring, not the bottom. From what the
illustrations in the '64 shop manual show for a 394, I would suspect the
spring seat diameter on top of the head is identical from '57-'64. The
difference is the spring retainer. The spring retainer for the beehive
spring is maybe 2/3s the diameter of the retainer for a regular straight
side spring. Comp Cams does it exactly the same way. The spring tapers to a
beehive shape from the bottom to the top. The top of the spring is the small
end. What that means is that it's easy to put beehive springs on anything,
as long as the right spring rate is available and the full size bottom
diameter fits the head. For a 371, just get the 394 beehive springs and
retainers and install them. It's that simple.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:51:38 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement

I'm using Envirosafe: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm
It works with the POA valve on my '70. That's the only real reason I 
went with it. Works fairly well.
FWIW - it only costs $20 to get the license (Section 609):
http://www.epatest.com/

krw
On Nov 11, 2004, at 11:40 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:37:03 -0800
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> Subject: R-12 replacement
>
> Hi fella's:
>
>               I have a question about aftermarket refrigerants. I was 
> going
> to buy some R-12 off of  E-bay to bolster my dwindling supply. I was 
> taken
> a-back, where- upon, wouldn't you know it, the mighty EPA has now made 
> it
> impossible for the "shade trees" to recharge our own air-conditioning
> systems.I can no longer buy it off e-bay any more unless I can cough 
> up the
> proper certified license. I have been "shooting" my own cars up for 
> years,
> and now I can't.
>
>              My question is; have any of you fellas ever used this 
> stuff
> called "Freeze 12", the R-12 replacement? They claim that it is more
> efficient than R-12, and up to 30 % colder ; and is non-flammable. I 
> know
> that some people were shooting their car's up with some kind of 
> propane gas,
> which is not a great idea. I really do not care much for R-134a , but 
> will
> switch over if I have to. I was hoping that this "new" snake oil was 
> the
> answer. Thanks in advance.
>
> Rick Messenger
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:02:10 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"

Crud.
This was *not* what I wanted to hear. The bloody thing doesn't even 
have 100K on it yet. I just changed the fluid and filter in the trans 
(that thing holds 4 *quarts* of fluid!)
Nuts. One of the most expensive items on the @#$% car, and we still 
have a couple of years to go on the note.

krw
On Nov 15, 2004, at 10:32 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 11:25:19 -0500
> From: Jay Britt <jbritt67@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: OT: Astro van "stuttering"
>
> I've seen this problem with several Astro vans at the company where I 
> used to work. Even the older models (95-96) had similar problems with 
> OD.
>
> Jay
> - ----------------------------------------------------------
> From: Joehume@aol.com
>
> Overdrive is going bad, had that problem with our Aurora.
> JoeH
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:41:25 -0800
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement

Hey Kevin: It says it's a Hydrocarbon, do you happen to know which one?
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 6:51 PM
Subject: Re: R-12 replacement


> I'm using Envirosafe: http://autorefrigerants.com/co00033.htm
> It works with the POA valve on my '70. That's the only real reason I 
> went with it. Works fairly well.
> FWIW - it only costs $20 to get the license (Section 609):
> http://www.epatest.com/
> 
> krw
> On Nov 11, 2004, at 11:40 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
> 
> > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:37:03 -0800
> > From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> > Subject: R-12 replacement
> >
> > Hi fella's:
> >
> >               I have a question about aftermarket refrigerants. I was 
> > going
> > to buy some R-12 off of  E-bay to bolster my dwindling supply. I was 
> > taken
> > a-back, where- upon, wouldn't you know it, the mighty EPA has now made 
> > it
> > impossible for the "shade trees" to recharge our own air-conditioning
> > systems.I can no longer buy it off e-bay any more unless I can cough 
> > up the
> > proper certified license. I have been "shooting" my own cars up for 
> > years,
> > and now I can't.
> >
> >              My question is; have any of you fellas ever used this 
> > stuff
> > called "Freeze 12", the R-12 replacement? They claim that it is more
> > efficient than R-12, and up to 30 % colder ; and is non-flammable. I 
> > know
> > that some people were shooting their car's up with some kind of 
> > propane gas,
> > which is not a great idea. I really do not care much for R-134a , but 
> > will
> > switch over if I have to. I was hoping that this "new" snake oil was 
> > the
> > answer. Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Rick Messenger
> >
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
> 
> Kevin Wright                                         
> krwright@sbcglobal.net
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html
> 
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
> 
> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
> parts if someone doesn't buy it!
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:45:28 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 76 98 almost gone

Selling the 'running' 455 and TH400 tomorrow
Another guy wants the car-cass to demo derby
sold about $100 worth of seat belts and such thru eVil.

that's it for another one
This one had THREE build sheets in it
Where the hell are the sheets for my convert? :-(

next in- the 69 Vista, engine transplant to revive, hopefully.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:55:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things

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Rando!  You da man!  I've been looking for those for four years-- seem to be out of print!
Would you consider $40 for the pair?  (If not, I could maybe go a bit higher... it's just that
until Dec. '02 I was making about $25 per hour with WorldCom; now I'm at $10.51 with
Pick'n'Pull.           :0((((
 
  Anyhoo... lemme know, and I'll adjust my bid accordingly.
 
                                          Thanks!   Ttyl...             Frank
                                                                        ( Phantom455)
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Randy Geisel <rocket455@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
My Ebay auctions.....selling of some of my stuff.


Cars of Oldsmobile book:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934897222

Setting the Pace book:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934899274

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<DIV>Rando!&nbsp; You da man!&nbsp; I've been looking for those for four years-- seem to be out of print!</DIV>
<DIV>Would you consider $40 for the pair?&nbsp; (If not, I could maybe go a bit higher... it's just that</DIV>
<DIV>until Dec. '02 I was making about $25 per hour with WorldCom; now I'm at $10.51 with</DIV>
<DIV>Pick'n'Pull.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; :0((((</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp; Anyhoo... lemme know, and I'll adjust my bid accordingly.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp; Ttyl...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Frank</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;( Phantom455)</DIV>
<DIV>================================================================<BR><BR><B><I>Randy Geisel &lt;rocket455@worldnet.att.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">My Ebay auctions.....selling of some of my stuff.<BR><BR><BR>Cars of Oldsmobile book:<BR><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=7934897222">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=7934897222</A><BR><BR>Setting the Pace book:<BR><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=7934899274">http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=7934899274</A><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 06:14:29 EST
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things

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In a message dated 11/15/2004 9:59:27 PM Central Standard Time,  
frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net writes:

Rando!  You da man!  I've been looking for those for four  years-- seem to be 
out of print!
Would you consider $40 for the pair?  (If not, I could maybe go a  bit 
higher... it's just that
until Dec. '02 I was making about $25 per hour with WorldCom; now I'm at  
$10.51 with
Pick'n'Pull.            :0((((
 
  Anyhoo... lemme know, and I'll adjust my bid accordingly.
 
                                           Thanks!    Ttyl...              
Frank
                                                                        (  
Phantom455)
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Randy  Geisel <rocket455@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

My  Ebay auctions.....selling of some of my stuff.


Cars of Oldsmobile  book:
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934897222
_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934897222) 

Setting  the Pace book:
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934899274
_ 
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7934899274) 




Heck, If I knew I could make an offer  here I wouldn't have bid on  them on 
E-Bay.
I'll pay $45 for the pair, lol. :>)

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 09:21:03 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things

That's why things like that are supposed to be kept off-list. Please send
any offers directly to Randy.

BTW, those books are not hard to find.

Original Message ------>

Heck, If I knew I could make an offer  here I wouldn't have bid on them on
E-Bay.
I'll pay $45 for the pair, lol. :>)

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 11:54:42 EST
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Re: Setting The Pace, Cars oF Olds F/S + other things

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In a message dated 11/16/2004 8:25:52 AM Central Standard Time,  
email@johnnasta.com writes:

That's  why things like that are supposed to be kept off-list. Please send
any  offers directly to Randy.

BTW, those books are not hard to  find.

Original Message ------>

Heck, If I knew I could make  an offer  here I wouldn't have bid on them on
E-Bay.
I'll pay $45  for the pair, lol. :>)







I really was only kidding around. Just giving him trouble for it. I  
apologize I won't do it again.
 
TJ

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