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oldsmobile-digest           Thursday, 1 May 1997        Volume 01 : Number 642

Re: Re[2]: Valves
About My Oldsmobiles
Electrical Question
Re: HEATER
Re: About My Oldsmobiles
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: 70w-30 4sale
Re: striptune.zip
RE: 70w-30 4sale
response
trac pac and w-30
Re: Electrical Question
Re: 4-4-2 for Sale
Convertable top
not an olds post :-(
442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
warriors...no more
Re: HEATER
RE: Rear Wing
Re: Dry Wash Products?
'72 H/O Brochure Repeat Sale (5/1)
Re: ADMIN: List Abuse (read at your discretion)
RE: ADMIN: List Abuse (fwd)
Re: Spring height (was Valves)
RE:  ADMIN:  List Abuse...
Re: HEATER
Re: Re[2]: Valves
Re: Console Shifter
The FINAL archive is now available!
Re: 1982 Delta Royale Brougham
Re: 64 tire recomendation
Re: Console shifter
1978 olds cutlass calais
1978 olds cutlass calais (fwd)
Re: Radiator Hose Source
Re: 455 Manifold and carb
Re: striptune.zip
Re[2]: new member
Re: The FINAL archive is now available!
Leaky Sun roof

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 22:59:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Valves

> OK, then stainless valves as resistant to seat-recession would make
sense.
> Way back in science class (so long ago I forgot the precise subject), it
was
> pointed out that the bond between atoms that is broken when, say, a
> valve-stem snaps in half, could theoretically be re-established, and the
> part would "self-weld" itself back together, as the atoms re-established
the
> bonds they had with the previously adjacent atoms in what is now a
two-piece
> item.
>
> As you've all noticed, parts don't do this, first because you can't align
> the two halves to perfectly mate in the position that they were in before
> the break, and second, the atoms on the surface take up intimate
relations
> with the oxygen atoms, converting the surface to whatever-oxide.
>
> Through the heat it creates, welding, in essence, establishes new bonds
> between the metal atoms, though in a different arrangement than before
the
> break. The heat in the exhaust-valve would cause it to "pick up" atoms
from
> the seat, not necessarily in clumps, but enough so that over time the
seat
> gets worn away.
>
> Since the bonds between an alloy like SS and something largely iron would
be
> weaker than those between iron and iron atoms, a SS valve would pick up
> fewer atoms, and thus take longer to wear down the seat.
>
> OK, who here is in mechanical engineering? Who can check my reasoning in
the
> above proposal? 'cause I'm just guessing here...
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
Guessing?? I think you are being a little modest here. It sounds to me like
you have a little more expertise in this field than you are giving yourself
credit for.

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From: Mike Siedlik <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:30:51 -0300
Subject: About My Oldsmobiles

HI ALL

  I've read all your comments about my cars. Some of you have it right.
And some have it a little twisted.  Here go's to get it straight.

1966 F-85 Deluxe 442.
  In 1966 you could get the 442 option on:
F-85, F-85 Deluxe(hardtop) Cutlass(post) Cutlass(hardtop) Cutlass Convt.
ALL these body styles you could order the L-69 (3x2)option.
ALL these body styles except Convt. could have the W-30 package.
ALL these body styles you could add the Track-Pac option*.
 * The Track-Pac option was the VERY FIRST of the now famous W-30.
In 1966 at the Drag Strips the 442 was doing pretty well, but it needed
something to get to the top and dethrone the GTO. Olds came up with
stiffer valve springs, hotter cam, battery relocated in the trunk (on
the passenger side) and the chrome shroud over the carbs with 4 inch
hoses going down through the radiator support and ending up where the
turn signals are.(had to relocate)

  The 442 was really starting to kick butt. Then NHRA asked Oldsmobile
if they had these avalible to the public. So, NHRA had a rule that a
car company had to produce a minimum of 50 cars. So thats how the 54
W-30's came about!  BY the way the 1966 442 WON Stock Class in 1966
AND DETHRONED the GTO!     And around 100 to 125 Track-Pacs were
produced.

  We have a 1970 442 Pace Car that I'm just finishing a body off
restoration on. After this  I'll start on the '66. Back on the subject,
Oldsmobile Paced INDY in '49, '60, '70, '72, '74, '77, '85, '88, and
will Pace THIS years 1997 INDY 500.
  In 1970 the 442 (268) did the Pace Car Honors. They also made a
Cutlass Convt. (358) and about (16) wagons, for like Doctors and such.

  HURST AERO was an dealer option and you could order through Hurst.
WE ordered ours through Hurst(Doc. Watson) in the spring of 1987.
  We added it to Barb's 1986 Cutlass in the spring of '87 after a
repaint.(paint chipping off) The package includes full ground effects
and a weird spoiler. After you put it on you turned in your V.I.N.ª
and HURST gave you a Serial number (BARB's car is number 12) almost
one of the very first ones. Since then she has put over 186,000 miles
on her car.(Barb's an insurance agent, lots of time on the road!)
 The car is White with Dk.Blue Interior. 14x7 SSI w/bolt on caps and
no trim rings, painted white(looks like a NASCAR).

     I HOPE THIS CLEARS UP A FEW THINGS
              THANKS  MIKE

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From: "Schaack Family" <shaqboyz@sbt.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 23:51:00 -0300
Subject: Electrical Question

I own a 1966 Olds Ninety-Eight Convertible.  I have found that many things
such as the power windows, radio, fan blower, etc. still work when the key is
shut off in the car.  I had the ignition switch checked and they said it was
working fine.  When I asked one person about it, they said that's the way it
was suppose to be because the key didn't shut things off (such as power
windows) till a couple of years later.  I have just started working on the
car and don't have a whole lot of knowledge about it yet, but that just
didn't seem right.  Could there be anything else wrong besides the ignition
switch.  Also, is a 1966 Olds '98 Convertible a rare car.  No matter how hard
I try I haven't been able to find even a picture of another one.  Help
Please...

One of the Schaack's

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:10:19 -0300
Subject: Re: HEATER

At 09:42 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:

>I always thought the Tempmatic was a silly idea.

(major snips)


Paul,

Thanks for the info on the Tempmatic.  My dad had the comfortron, or
whatever the Cadillac version was called, in his '76 Sedan de Ville.  It
always seemed to work pretty well, as I recall.  At least, I don't remember
him complaining about it.  Actually, he liked that Cadillac pretty well
(the last of the really, REALLY big ones, with the 500 cube engine and
all), and kept it a good number of years (8 or 10) before finally selling it.


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:11:06 -0300
Subject: Re: About My Oldsmobiles

At 10:30 PM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>  In 1966 you could get the 442 option on:
>F-85, F-85 Deluxe(hardtop) Cutlass(post) Cutlass(hardtop) Cutlass Convt.

Yes, wasn't the 442 its own separate model from '68-'71 (or maybe that's
'67-'71?), but in all other years before and after just an option on the
F-85/Cutlass models?

>ALL these body styles you could order the L-69 (3x2)option.
>ALL these body styles except Convt. could have the W-30 package.
>ALL these body styles you could add the Track-Pac option*.

Interesting; so would the Trac-Pac have been available on the 4-bbl engine
as well, or just on the L-69 equipped cars? That would leave three possible
Track-Pac versions: 4-bbl, L-69 and W-30, wouldn't it?

> * The Track-Pac option was the VERY FIRST of the now famous W-30.
>In 1966 at the Drag Strips the 442 was doing pretty well, but it needed
>something to get to the top and dethrone the GTO. Olds came up with
>stiffer valve springs, hotter cam, battery relocated in the trunk (on
>the passenger side) and the chrome shroud over the carbs with 4 inch
>hoses going down through the radiator support and ending up where the
>turn signals are.(had to relocate)

What was the difference, then, between a Track-Pac L-69 car and a W-30 car?
i.e. what on a W-30 car would adding the Track-Pac option change?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 01:16:15 -0300
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

subscribe oldsmobile cdogg73@elknet.net

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From: jay <jay@buseng.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:27:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 70w-30 4sale

Am interested.  Please advise.

Jay H



At 07:52 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>70 w-30 for sale, call or email for details 512-462-1404 austin tx.
>
>
>

_|_|_|_| Jay Honeycutt
_|_|_|_| Business Engineering
_|_|_|_| jay@buseng.com (primary)
_|_|_|_| j_h@alum.mit.edu (alternate)

_|_|_|_| NOTE: Please place "response"
_|_|_|_| in any reply header

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:45:08 -0300
Subject: Re: striptune.zip

At 09:36 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I recently downloaded a program for setting up engines, kind of like
>Desktop Dyno. for some reason I cant get it to work, a friend of mine
>said I have to "un zip" it. does anyone know what this means or how to
>do it.  I'd like to see how acurate it is biulding engines.
>Marty
>68 442
>
>
You run it against a program called pkunzip.exe.  It will then unzip it.

A 'zipped' program is one that is condensed, ie, made much smaller by taking
out all the free space in the file, and packing it closer together.  When it
is unzipped the reverse happens, and you get ordinary files.

If you have pkunqip.exe you type "pkunzip <file name of zipped file" and
shortly you will have what you are looking for.

The Wiz

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From: "Stubblefield, Lyndall (lstu)" <lstu@chevron.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:58:00 -0300
Subject: RE: 70w-30 4sale

What is the condition, price, etc; Is it original and do ª's match?
Please reply  with as much information as possible.
Thanks,
Lyndall

>----------
>From: TURBO38@aol.com[SMTP:TURBO38@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 5:52 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: 70w-30 4sale
>
>70 w-30 for sale, call or email for details 512-462-1404 austin tx.
>
>

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From: "Stubblefield, Lyndall (lstu)" <lstu@chevron.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 00:58:01 -0300
Subject: response

Sorry forgot to include "response" in the subject.

I'm really interested, please send all available info. on 70 W-30
Thanks.
Lyndall

>----------
>From: TURBO38@aol.com[SMTP:TURBO38@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 5:52 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: 70w-30 4sale
>
>70 w-30 for sale, call or email for details 512-462-1404 austin tx.
>
>

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From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:06:32 -0300
Subject: trac pac and w-30

W-30 (Trac-pac or Drag-pac) cars came with 360 hp 4 speed, 3x2 carbs
l-69 400, 4.33:1 rear gear, forced air system, included a special chrome
plated dual snorkel air cleaner that attached to scoops on the front
bumpers. Special heat riser shut off valves ( all tri-carb engines had
this opt.)The battery was moved to the trunk. the aircleaners were
stamped with sequential numbers 1-54 on fact built cars.  They also
installed w-30 packages at the dealer, They are the same thing.
The difference is the factory cars were called W-30 cars, the dealer
cars were called Trac-pac cars because it was a package, rather than
saying "I have a W-30 with a L-69" people would just rather say "I have
the Trac-pac" The factory engineers speak a different language than the
general public, they use option codes,  "Trac-pak" is just slang that
dealers used so the general public would know what all those codes
meant.

Just thought everyone should know.
Marty
68 442        http://hanthorn@inwave.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:48:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical Question

At 11:51 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I own a 1966 Olds Ninety-Eight Convertible.  I have found that many things
such
>as the power windows, radio, fan blower, etc. still work when the key is shut
 >off in the car.  I had the ignition switch checked and they said it was
working >fine.  When I asked one person about it, they said that's the way it
was suppose >to be because the key didn't shut things off (such as power
windows) till a >couple of years later.  I have just started working on the
car and don't have a >whole lot of knowledge about it yet, but that just
didn't seem right.  Could >there be anything else wrong besides the ignition
switch.  Also, is a 1966 Olds >'98 Convertible a rare car.  No matter how
hard I try I haven't been able to >find even a picture of another one.  Help
Please... > >One of the Schaack's > >

If I remember correctly 1966 ignition switches include a position called
accessory.  This is a position of the switch were the accessories ARE
powered, but the engine is not.  It sounds to me like you are parking the
switch in the accessory position, instead of the OFF position.  Or
possibley, but less likely, the switch IS defective, causing the OFF
position to connect with the accessory positon.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 01:55:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 4-4-2 for Sale

At 03:39 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>C.R.F. wrote:
>>
>> At 02:17 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> >I was just on the phone with a friend of mine.  He recently acquired a '68
>> >4-4-2 project (his favorite year) and as a result is selling a '66 4-4-2
>> >project.  It is 90%+ complete, 400 ci eng, A/T and rather dismanteled, but
>> >what is there IS a decent project.  He wants $1950.  If anyone is
>> >interested, it is located in rural Illinois, a bit less than 50 miles from
>> >Saint Louis.  If interested call Paul: (618)282-6686.
>> >
>> And I guess I forgot, it's a convertible...
>>
>> The Wiz
>yes a friend of mine is looking for a 66 please give more info. and
>location   http://hanthorn@inwave.com
>
>
I've never seen the car, but the owner is a long time car friend.  Also, and
now that he isn't looking over my shoulder, his pricing always is padded in
case he must take something in trade; read that that this price is usually
negotiable!  And possibly 'very negotiable.'

His description could hardly be more accurate if it is substantially
dismantled.  However, when I find a car like that, I feel like the owner did
half the work.  Anyway, call him and get more data.  I think he wants to the
$ to work on one of his other projects.  Actually it is described as a
dismantled project car, I find it hard to say more.  The engine, tranny and
axles are there, and I would expect that all the major convertible parts are
there too.  As to the rest, that it what makes it a project.

OH, yes, it is located in Red Bud, Illinois.  About 30-40 miles SE of Saint
Louis, Missouri, on Illinois Rte 3.

The Wiz

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From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 02:11:51 -0300
Subject: Convertable top

<HTML><BODY>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On the back rail of the top on each side there
is a little triangle w/ a screw in it. Well on mine one of the screws just
will not stay in. With the top half-way up I can feel back there, and there's
something there but it just crumbles away. Some advice would be appreciated.

</BODY>
</HTML>

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From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 02:20:48 -0300
Subject: not an olds post :-(

<HTML><BODY>
&nbsp; Sorry to go away from the Olds theme, but maybe someone here can
point the way to where I could find a Chrome Master Cylinder for an 81
'vette. I know Echl*rs in Fla. has it but it's about $140.00+. If Anybody
happens to know where it's at a little cheaper, please pass it on.
<BR>Thanks,
<BR>Pat McDermott
<BR>69 Cutlass 'S'

</BODY>
</HTML>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 02:35:19 -0300
Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

The following is a list of 64-72 Olds Cutlass/442, 66-69 Toronado parts for
sale.

**** New stuff to list****
69 Cutlass RH Grille (N.O.S.) $60.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $400.00 ea
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $40.00 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $40.00 ea
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $50.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $100.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea
72 442 RH Grille (N.O.S.) $300.00
71 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (nice)  pot metal  $125.00 pr
71 Cutlass S Griles (very nice)  $110.00 pr
68 Cutlass/442 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
66 Cutlass Grille (nice used)  $40.00
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $50.00 pr
70  12 Bolt Posi Ch*vy Rear 3.73:1 (Posi rebuilt)  $500.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
68-72 Cowl/Windshield mouldings  $25.00ea
66-? Toronado Front Brake Drum  $15.00
66-69 Toronado Interior Moldings (Ivory)  $5.00 ea
66-69 Toronado LH & RH Rear Side Windows  $30.00 ea
66-68 Toronado Back Glass  $40.00
68-69 Toronado Headlight Vacuum Module  $40.00
68 Toronado Air Cleaner Pie Tin  $5.00
66-68 Toronado Trailer Hitch Assm.  $20.00

P.S.  We have more parts in stock, and more coming!  The reproduction 70-72
Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicators are here. They look great.
$24.00 ea. plus $3.00 shipping.  We have also reproduced the 63 Starfire
console shift lens. Beautiful reproduction. $35.00 plus $3.00 shipping.  We
are getting ready to tool up for the 70-72 Hurst Dual Gate shift lens for
reproduction soon.

Jim Chermack
'70 SX W-32
'72 442
'86 Ninety Eight
'94 Cutlass Supreme
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: CDHall <cdhall@mci2000.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:01:04 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

I

- ----------
> From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
> Date: Thursday, May 01, 1997 1:35 AM
>
> The following is a list of 64-72 Olds Cutlass/442, 66-69 Toronado parts
for
> sale.
>
> **** New stuff to list****
> 69 Cutlass RH Grille (N.O.S.) $60.00 ea
> 71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
> 71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
> 70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $400.00 ea
> 66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $40.00 ea
> 68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $40.00 ea
> 71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $50.00 ea
> 71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $100.00 pr
> 71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea
> 72 442 RH Grille (N.O.S.) $300.00
> 71 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (nice)  pot metal  $125.00 pr
> 71 Cutlass S Griles (very nice)  $110.00 pr
> 68 Cutlass/442 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
> 72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
> 70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
> 66 Cutlass Grille (nice used)  $40.00
> 68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $50.00 pr
> 70  12 Bolt Posi Ch*vy Rear 3.73:1 (Posi rebuilt)  $500.00
> 68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
> 68-72 Cowl/Windshield mouldings  $25.00ea
> 66-? Toronado Front Brake Drum  $15.00
> 66-69 Toronado Interior Moldings (Ivory)  $5.00 ea
> 66-69 Toronado LH & RH Rear Side Windows  $30.00 ea
> 66-68 Toronado Back Glass  $40.00
> 68-69 Toronado Headlight Vacuum Module  $40.00
> 68 Toronado Air Cleaner Pie Tin  $5.00
> 66-68 Toronado Trailer Hitch Assm.  $20.00
>
> P.S.  We have more parts in stock, and more coming!  The reproduction
70-72
> Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicators are here. They look great.
> $24.00 ea. plus $3.00 shipping.  We have also reproduced the 63 Starfire
> console shift lens. Beautiful reproduction. $35.00 plus $3.00 shipping.
We
> are getting ready to tool up for the 70-72 Hurst Dual Gate shift lens for
> reproduction soon.
>
> Jim Chermack
> '70 SX W-32
> '72 442
> '86 Ninety Eight
> '94 Cutlass Supreme
> '96 C-1500
> Virginia  Beach, VA
> (757) 474-0869
>
HI, I'm interested in the 68 Toronado Air Cleaner Pie Tin, also waiting on
the Hurst Dual Gate shift lens. Any chance of having a descent set of
grills for a 68 Toronado?
If you can, Please e-mail me a list of parts for 68 Toronado and 70 Cutlass
Supreme.

Thanks,
 Daniel Hall
 cdhall@MCI2000.com
68 Toronado
70 Toronado
70 Cutlass SX

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From: MV <dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:26:15 -0300
Subject: warriors...no more

well,
i expected some reaction to my last letter and I GOT it.
i secretly hoped to get more about my hose problem than anything else,
anyway. At least on this list.
I should have started my letter with my P.S. because what i tried to
demonstrate was where political considerations can lead to (it's worse when
politics and stupidity are mixed.)
I just thought addressing you all on the list would be faster and more
efficient than just writing to each individual privately.
So far only one understood my point and replied to me at my private e-mail
address.
I agree with the fact that some of what i said about history was not 100%
accurate,
but then i'm not old enough, i wasn't there 50 years ago, and i'm not
interested enough about history to have it 100% right.
IF I WAS ANYWAY I WOULD GO TO SOME HISTORY RELATED NEWSGROUP. I WOULD NOT
HAVE JOINED THIS LIST...

As I said on my first message when I first joined this list a few months
ago, I didn't know anything about american cars, new or old, before the
beginning of this year when i came to live in florida for a while. i knew
even less about oldsmobile. i heard the name, but that was it (don't
misunderstand me here, i was just not interested in american cars)
Since, i've been sitting quietly in front of my computer screen and read
carefully all that could be of any help to me. asking a question from time
to time was all about my active part on this list.
Right now I take the opportunity to thank all of you who helped me and i
hope others at the same time (though i know most of the questions i asked
about my car probably sounded dumb!)

My previous message was the first real thing i had to say. From now on and
till i have another question or who knows enough knowledge to help some of
you, i will stay quiet.
If anything out of purpose (i.e. non oldsmobile) bothers me on the list i
will just answer the guy in private (follow my own advice) or just ignore
it...
Indifference is maybe one of the best weapons in that case...

That's it!

I think my girlfriend had this damn hose replaced (again i'm about 2000 km
away from florida right now). So when i come back home in 2 weeks i will
have the last few hoses replaced too. I already changed all the fuel and
vacuum hoses.
i think i have the power steering left and ?? what else?
do i have to replace anything in the water pump (so far it's still working
but...)

Thanks again.

Alain LACHATRE

P.S.: Any more comments about napoleon I, II or III, Vercingetorix, John
Paul II or the queen of England, please send it to my private address,
though i don't really care to hear about these people...

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 03:33:53 -0300
Subject: Re: HEATER

> >I always thought the Tempmatic was a silly idea.
>
> (major snips)
>
> Paul,
>
> Thanks for the info on the Tempmatic.  My dad had the comfortron, or
> whatever the Cadillac version was called, in his '76 Sedan de Ville.  It
> always seemed to work pretty well, as I recall.  At least, I don't remember

Cadillac introduced Climate Control in 1964.  Some time ago, my friend's
'77 Custom Cruiser's Tempmatic system began making funny clicking/popping
sounds, so I obtained a junk-yard replacement programmer.  Before
installing it, I hooked up a vacuum source (old 120V A/C compressor I use
to evacuate refrigerant systems) and proceeded to see how well it worked.
I was impressed by how effectively a simple bi-metallic coil could
regulate the amount of vacuum applied to the servo.  The reponse time was
fairly quick; a burst of hot air from a hair dryer would send the mix-door
actuating lever to full cold; recovery back to the equibrium position was
a bit slower, but still very timely.  This mechanical system, obviously,
doesn't regulate fan speed, mode selection, recirculation, or (in early
systems) dehumidification, however, it reduces the need for frequent,
minor temperature selection changes.

I've had extensive experience with both the analogue and digital Climate
Control systems.  The former work just as well as the latter.  Both have
been very reliable; I've had to change a vacuum checking relay once
(older) and replaced an electric motor assembly due to a chipped gear
(newer).

Kevin Wong

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 06:31:46 -0300
Subject: RE: Rear Wing

The latest JWO has an ad for an original W-35 rear spoiler for sale, no
price given.  Phone ª is 414-367-7117 (evenings). I suspect you'll need
deep pockets.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 07:52:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Dry Wash Products?

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 11:09:50 -0300 SG Hartfelder
<shartfel@planet.eon.net> writes:
>Have any of you ever used one of those 'dry-wash' products on your
>paint job?

I have seen and used a product called "Dri-wash-N-Guard" . I can't say
for the paint swirls, but I can attest to it's ability to clean a car
without scratching the paint. I was quite impressed, to say the least.

Katana72 (It's still not a about motorcycles!!!!)

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:39:41 -0300
Subject: '72 H/O Brochure Repeat Sale (5/1)

- -- Repeat Sale ª2 --

I thought I had this sold but the check never arrived and the potential
purchaser has not answered my E-Mail messages, so I guess that he=B9s
changed his mind.  There were three other potential buyers who contacted
me about this item, but unfortunately I didn=B9t keep their messages
because I though it was already sold.  So once again, I=B9ll offer the
following Oldsmobile related item for sale:

1972 Hurst/Olds sales brochure.  4 full color pages.  11 x 8-3/4.  Very
good condition.  $50.00, including shipping to any address in North
America.  (5/1/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          =3D=3D=3D
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | =3D Tom Stoner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         =3D=3D=3D    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D+

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From: "John M. Barnes" <CHMPFISH@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 08:39:36 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Abuse (read at your discretion)

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> As one of the "offenders," I will apologize for the actions and remove
myself > from the list.  It has been a wonderful source of information that
would have > otherwise taken me months and months of searching to gather. > >
However, my car is not my life.  It is just a car.  And if I think of >
something humorous to say about an overpriced tire that wears out too >
quickly, I will.  When I take the car to the local drive in on summer nights, >
Lord knows I don't sit around all night talking about the numbers on my >
heads. > > So if my occasional foray into social satire and commentary
offended, I > apologize.  Thanks to all that provided information for me, and
I hope any > information I was able to provide (Oldsmobile related, of course)
was > appreciated. > > Duane > 1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible (which I do
not refer to as my baby.  That > is reserved for my girlfriend Jennifer)


Yep. Didn't offend me a bit. Sounds like there are some out there who's diet
is somewhat short on fiber. If nothing else exists in your world except cars,
you have a small world.

John

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:59:05 -0300
Subject: RE: ADMIN: List Abuse (fwd)

Greg

I support you 100% also. I enjoy reading stories about someone haveing a =
flat tire on his 442 or Olds a lot more than the "GARBAGE" that went no =
here yesterday. This is a very unique list and provides information and =
advice that can not be found without a lot of research and time. Where =
car you ask the advice from so many Olds fans and receive  a responce =
instantly? On the other hand how easy is it to offen so many so fast. =
This list is distribued to a world wide audience, (just look at some of =
the return addresses and responces) we have no ideal who is reading this =
list. If someone is offened and leaves the list who knows what they may =
have contributed to our knowledge. They may be a decendant of the Olds =
Family.

Hiting the delete key here is not a option because the subject is not =
stated always. It is mixed in with a real subject. It is sad but a few of =
the ones that perpetuated this has provided a lot of good information to =
the list of members.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past (Take this to mean "enjoy your Olds")  =

__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Wed, Apr 30, 1997 7:26 PM
Subject: ADMIN: List Abuse (fwd)
To: Oldsmobile

Ladies and Gentlemen (and I use the word advisedly today):

I get busy at work for a day and I come back to a real mess here. I
received the following from a longtime list member and needless to say I
agree 100 percent. There was so much abuse by so many people regarding
you know what today that I could probably toss a half-dozen people.

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:18:00 -0300
To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: List Abuse

Greg,

I'm sending this to you only, because I don't have any intention
of expressing these thoughts on the Olds list.

This morning's messages regarding the French and others are way out of
line.  No politics, right?

<concern about offensive remarks snipped>

- -----------

What disappoints me is that you all ought to know better by now.
Avoidance of garbage like this is supposed to be why this list isn't a
usenet newsgroup. It seems some of you are trying your damndest to make =
it
into one. If that's what you want I'll be glad to remove you from here =
and
you can all go frolic over there. If this comes up again from any of you
(and you all know who you are) you won't have to wait long.

I'm sorry to be testy about this but I'm tired of wasting my time trying
to keep stuff here Olds-related. Take historical debates, war stories,
nationalistic insults and jingoism elsewhere. It's not welcome here, and
neither are those who persist in perpetuating it on this list. That
warning applies to *all* who participated in this sorry display. If you
want to insult each other's countries take it elsewhere. There is no
excuse for what occurred today, and the lack of respect shown for others
is intolerable.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, =
Canada



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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 09:37:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Spring height (was Valves)

Paul wrote:
>What springs did you put on from Mondello?  Do you have shallow spring
>heads and if so, did you need to have them machined? Also, what kind of cam
>are you running?

Paul,
I bought Mondello's springs/lightweight (non-rotator) retainers/keepers
for my E heads (deep seat).  These are dual inner/outer springs,
compared to the stock spring/damper.  To compensate for the deep seats
and the thin, non-rotator style of retainer, Mondello offers two heights
of springs.  Just specify what type of heads you have (deep or shallow
seat) and he has the correct spring.  As I recall, he sells different
strengths of springs, so let him know which cam you are using and he'll
advise you on the pressure you'll need.  I've been very satisfied with
them.  I'll have to dig through my files if you want the exact part
number of the springs I bought.  Let me know.

Scott Mullen

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From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:03:29 -0300
Subject: RE:  ADMIN:  List Abuse...

>>Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>> As one of the "offenders," I will apologize for the actions and
>> Lord knows I don't sit around all night talking about the numbers
on >> my heads.
>>
>> So if my occasional foray into social satire and commentary
offended, >> apologize.  Thanks to all that provided information for
me, and I

>  Yep. Didn't offend me a bit. Sounds like there are some out there >
 who's diet is somewhat short on fiber. If nothing else exists in your
>  world xcept cars, you have a small world.
>
>  John

I believe that you two have missed the point.  _NEARLY ALL_ of the
posts on this mailing list seem to foray into some sort of social
comentary.  That is one of the things that makes this list so
enjoyable for me!  What happened yesterday, though, _GOT OUT OF HAND_.
 Certainly I think that most of the people on this list would agree
that one whose life is centered _ONLY_ around cars is a lonely person
indeed!  I must, though, agree with Greg that _THIS MAILING LIST IS
NOT THE ALT.FLAMES OR ALT.NUKE.THE-COUNTRY-OF-YOUR-CHOICE_!!!  God
knows that I will often crack a little joke, or send out some sort of
nonsense, but I _ALWAYS_ try to stop short of insulting another or
beginning a long-drawn-out 50 message thread on such a topic!!!

Duane, if you want to leave this list, that is your choice.  Nobody is
asking you to leave, though, and you may want to reconsider that,
finding a middle ground between _ONLY_ technical information, and
what we saw yesterday, might prove more enjoyable for you!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH375, 70k miles)
'80 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 V8, EFI, BW-65, 85k miles)
'72 Mercury Marquis Brougham (429, 4bbl, C-6, 110k miles)
_____________________________________________________________________
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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:06:56 -0300
Subject: Re: HEATER

At 02:33 AM 5/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> Thanks for the info on the Tempmatic.  My dad had the comfortron, or
>> whatever the Cadillac version was called, in his '76 Sedan de Ville.  It
>> always seemed to work pretty well, as I recall.  At least, I don't remember
>
>Cadillac introduced Climate Control in 1964.  Some time ago, my friend's
>'77 Custom Cruiser's Tempmatic system began making funny clicking/popping
[snip]
>regulate the amount of vacuum applied to the servo.  The reponse time was
>fairly quick; a burst of hot air from a hair dryer would send the mix-door
>actuating lever to full cold; recovery back to the equibrium position was
>a bit slower, but still very timely.  This mechanical system, obviously,
>doesn't regulate fan speed, mode selection, recirculation, or (in early
>systems) dehumidification, however, it reduces the need for frequent,
>minor temperature selection changes.

The Tempmatic may not regulate all these things, but the Comfortron system
in my '69 Toro automatically varies fan speed and mode, varying between the
floor and the dash outlets (this is on LOW; on HIGH the mode varies, but the
fan stays on, you guessed it, high).

Since it doesn't automatically sense condensation on the windows, there is a
DEFOG setting that sends the output to the windshield, but the temperature
of this airs is also automatically regulated. In addition, since the system
doesn't kick in until the engine coolant reaches operating temperature,
there is a DE-ICE setting that overrides all automatic control, and sends
air from the heater core to the windshield.

I, too, am very impressed by the operation of this whole thing. On a long
Sunday drive last winter, I set the temp to 70' since it was icy outside.
Along the way, I noticed that air had been coming out of the dash registers,
because the sun had been heating up the interior. I was kept in comfort,
without having to lift a finger! Now that's service... :)

Vacuum-regulated systems were the norm for GM for quite a while; even the
door-locks were vacuum-operated. I am still impressed with how smooth the
cruise-control on my '78 is; very gradual, completely unnoticeable. I've
driven cars with computer-controlled cruise, and haven't noticed any
superiority of that system.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:04:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Valves

  Bob,

  You said:
>Through the heat it creates, welding, in essence, establishes new bonds
>between the metal atoms, though in a different arrangement than before the
>break. The heat in the exhaust-valve would cause it to "pick up" atoms from
>the seat, not necessarily in clumps, but enough so that over time the seat
>gets worn away.
>
>Since the bonds between an alloy like SS and something largely iron would be
>weaker than those between iron and iron atoms, a SS valve would pick up
>fewer atoms, and thus take longer to wear down the seat.
>
>OK, who here is in mechanical engineering? Who can check my reasoning in the
>above proposal? 'cause I'm just guessing here...

  One mechanical engineer's point of view:

  Stainless steels have thermal conductivities along the lines of 15 W/m k,
versus carbon steels that are aound 60 W/ m k.  This means that the
stainless valve will not conduct nearly as much heat to the valve seat when
they are in intimate contact as the carbon steel valve.  I know that the
exhaust gases will still be rushing by the seat at the same temperatures,
but they will not be slamming against the seat, in a way providing a weak
sister of a force weld. The continual contact at much elevated temperatures
will result in earlier wear.  How much, I don't know.  Always ask a guy with
experience for that kind of info.


  Bear in mind that I'm involved with heat and mass transfer, for the
"welding" and atomic stuff, you meed a metalurgist or a civil engineer with
a decent metals background.

  By the way, exactly which Mondello valves did you get?  I was thinking of
getting a set of his undercut intakes and exhausts myself.


  Thanks.


  Paul Brillhart

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:18:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Console Shifter

>Does anybody know if the actual shifter can be tighten or
>realigned the little light on the inside kinda  goes back and forth
>between  "R" & "D" it will not shift by itself but you can move it
>slightly, I never use  "D" "2" "1" anyway I just keep it in
>Overdrive...

If I'm following your description right... The gear indicator light
is clipped into the underside of a little port attached to the black
plastic sliding dust cover, through which the shift lever emerges.
As you move the shifter, you drag the dust cover with it and the
bulb is moved down to point at the appropriate gear letter/number.

The bulb, its socket, and the dust cover opening that it's clipped
into all get baked by the light, and it's possible that something's
cracked, allowing the bulb to shift position. Once you've removed
the T handle, you can (carefully!) pry up the plastic console cover
to reveal the dust cover and shifter assembly, then stick your nose
down there and snoop around. You should be able to find the problem.

I have an NOS, still-in-the-package dust cover somewhere in the garage
if yours has broken (although you may be able to order one yourself).

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:25:30 -0300
Subject: The FINAL archive is now available!

Well folks, the end has finally come.  I have completed the
Olds Mailing List Archive project.  A complete repository of all
messages from the first message in May 1995 thru the present is
now available on my web site, http://www.calcon.net/~easton, in
14 easy downloadable zip files.  :-)

For those newcomers on the list;
With the archives and a program such as grep, one can easily
search for any subject that has _ever_ been discussed on this list.
For you PC people there is a couple of nice Windows Grep programs
available, do a search for wingrep on www.yahoo.com.

I'd like to thank again everyone who made this possible by mailing
me missing bits and pieces and a special thanks to Drew who has
graciously donated disk space for the larger files.

Remember - this is a limited time offer.  At some point I'm going
to get tired of paying for an ISP account.  If you think you
might like to have this reference, get it now.

Is there still any interest in a CD-ROM version of this?  I still
dont have access to a CD-R but would be willing to pursue this
if there is real verifiable ($) interest.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442 4-Speed

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:28:59 -0300
Subject: Re: 1982 Delta Royale Brougham

>On this car I just bought, the gear indicator in the dash seems to be
>stuck at Park.  Basically I have to count my clicks to the right gear.
>Is this easy to fix by myself.

Probably. The indicator is operated by a simple string attached to the
pointer and run through the bottom of the speedo housing down to the
lower edge of the shifter bowl on your steering column, where it's
clipped on at roughly the 4:00 position. The string pulls the pointer
out to the gear position selected; a return spring pulls it back again
when you shift to Park.

Remove the lower hush panel and crotch-cooler vent so you can see the
lower edge of the shifter bowl (the part of the column that rotates
with the shift lever). If you don't see a clip still attached, see if
it's dangling in the vicinity (someone was probably working on the
dash at some point in the past and forgot about it) and reattach it;
there'll be scratch marks in the paint where it's supposed to be clipped
on to the collar of the bowl.

If you find the clip still attached, the string probably broke. This
will require a little more disassembly of the dash to replace; email
me if you need those details.

In one case, a '77 Caprice I worked on had broken the collar itself
off from the shifter bowl, and short of replacing the steering column
there was nothing I could do. Hopefully that is not the case here.

>Also this car has a problem with the passenger's side power lock.  I
>hear the motor engaging except the knob doesn't move.  Is this easy
>to fix?

If it gives a good *clunk* when you press the switch, open up the door
and see if the actuator rod's fallen off. Sure sounds like it.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:36:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 64 tire recomendation

>
> Please don't let this get carried away. Other than the manufacters
> recomendation, what tire size can I run on a 64 cutlass F-85 conv. I want
> to go to a BFG. I weant to either run the same front and rear, if they look
> right. Or go with a 7in. rim in front and a 8in in the rear. Any
> recomendations ol' wise ones?
> Scott
> kozhill@titanlink.com
>

Scott,

I run BFG T/A's on my '66 442.  It's got 14x7 reproduction SSI rims (from
Speciality Wheel in Oregon).  The tires are P235 70R14's.  I think this
combination is excellent.  That is the widest tire I'd want in the front,
and I like all 4 to match.

Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:40:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Console shifter

At 02:56 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Peter, I replaced the handle in my '87 Cutlass Supreme and it went
>>pretty smoothly.
>
>I had to do the same thing on the '82 after managing to crack the old
>one somehow. Decided to go through proper channels at the Olds dealer
>in case they had one, before heading for the junkyard, and was amazed
>to find that they did have it, correct color and all. But...
>
>>The funny thing was, it didn't fit like the old one. That little U
>>clip wouldn't go back in but it didn't matter because the handle fit
>>pretty tight.
>
>Yes! Exactly! I had the same problem and couldn't figure out why, since
>I had an OEM replacement and all... I still have the unused U clip in
>my toolbox somewhere.
>
>Did you also find that you didn't need to push the release button in
>anymore; it was now permanently stuck in For Your Convenience?  ;-)
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>
>Andrew, no I didn't have that problem. My problem was that I had to push
the release button in too far! You know, to the point where your thumb
dissapears inside the handle! And like you said, this was an OEM unit. Go
figure.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

------------------------------

From: Stephen Brown <marcello@arches.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:42:13 -0300
Subject: 1978 olds cutlass calais

I have a 1978 olds cutlass calais, black and silver with t-tops, H.O. 305,
and olds/hurst wheels all from the factory.  I have a few questions about
this car that I can't seem to find answers to in any automotive book.
First of all, all of the car books tell me that this type of cutlass was
not produce until 1979 and was black and gold.  I was wondering if maybe
the one that I have was maybe a special order car and if it is a rare one.

Just recently, I was at a Toyota dealership and the manager
offered me $3,500 on the spot without ever hearing her run!  Something
told me that there must be something special about this little speedster!
If you could tell me anything at all, I would be very thankful.

Marcello

------------------------------

From: Stephen Brown <marcello@arches.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:46:59 -0300
Subject: 1978 olds cutlass calais (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 10:42:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Brown <marcello@arches.uga.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Cc: marcello@arches.uga.edu
Subject: 1978 olds cutlass calais

I have a 1978 olds cutlass calais, black and silver with t-tops, H.O. 305,
and olds/hurst wheels all from the factory.  I have a few questions about
this car that I can't seem to find answers to in any automotive book.
First of all, all of the car books tell me that this type of cutlass was
not produce until 1979 and was black and gold.  I was wondering if maybe
the one that I have was maybe a special order car and if it is a rare one.

Just recently, I was at a Toyota dealership and the manager
offered me $3,500 on the spot without ever hearing her run!  Something
told me that there must be something special about this little speedster!
If you could tell me anything at all, I would be very thankful.

Marcello

------------------------------

From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 11:50:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Radiator Hose Source

> Fusick's has the hoses you need. Parts ªs are 390923 for the lower hose
> at $23.50 each and 390921 for the upper at $22.50.

> USA Parts Supply lists upper and lower hoses.  I'm assuming they're
> molded...
>
> lower part ªA1.159N $10.25
> upper part ªA1.159P $11.49

Greg & Paul:

Many thanx for the info!  Will probably call one or t'other later today...



Tim Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 04:42:51 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

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Thanks for the info!
Corey D
dayc@ix.netcom.com
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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

In a message dated 97-04-30 04:14:33 EDT, you write:

<< What is your source for the manifold identification?  The manifold =
was on
a 1970 SX, original motor and original car.=20
Do you have a listing of the manifold casting numbers?  I have a partial
listing in from 442.com and the olds faq. >>
Well my friend the source of the part numbers is Joe Mondello.  A while =
back
i purchased his olds V-8 tech manual, i have check the part numbers with =
my
chassis service manuals and a book called Oldsmobile- The performance =
years
with Joe's tech book, and he is right on course.  He has the part =
numbers for
intake and exhaust manifolds, distributors, carburators, water pumps and =
much
more. AS for carburator numbers, they are listed in my 70 chassis =
service
manual

standard 455 4 bbl carb number is 7040251and it goes to 7040258.
The 4th number in the carb number represents the year.  Such as 7042251 =
is a
72 455 4bbl carb that was avail on any A body car


W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
two 1972 442 W-30'S
with "X" in the vins



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<P>Thanks for the info!</P>

<P>Corey D

<P>dayc@ix.netcom.com</P>
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<B>From: </B>WMACHINES@aol.com<BR>
<B>To: </B>oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Wednesday, April 30, 1997 9:31 PM<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: 455 Manifold and carb<BR>
<BR>
<HTML><BODY><FONT size=3D2>In a message dated 97-04-30 04:14:33 EDT, you =

write:<BR>
<BR>
&lt;&lt; What is your source for the manifold identification?&nbsp; The =
manifold=20
was on<BR>
a 1970 SX, original motor and original car.&nbsp;<BR>
Do you have a listing of the manifold casting numbers?&nbsp; I have a=20
partial<BR>
listing in from 442.com and the olds faq. &gt;&gt;<BR>
Well my friend the source of the part numbers is Joe Mondello.&nbsp; A =
while=20
back<BR>
i purchased his olds V-8 tech manual, i have check the part numbers with =
my<BR>
chassis service manuals and a book called Oldsmobile- The performance =
years<BR>
with Joe's tech book, and he is right on course.&nbsp; He has the part =
numbers=20
for<BR>
intake and exhaust manifolds, distributors, carburators, water pumps and =

much<BR>
more. AS for carburator numbers, they are listed in my 70 chassis =
service<BR>
manual<BR>
<BR>
standard 455 4 bbl carb number is 7040251and it goes to 7040258.<BR>
The 4th number in the carb number represents the year.&nbsp; Such as =
7042251 is=20
a<BR>
72 455 4bbl carb that was avail on any A body car<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)<BR>
two 1972 442 W-30'S<BR>
with &quot;X&quot; in the vins<BR>
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From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 04:54:27 -0300
Subject: Re: striptune.zip

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Go to www.winzip.com and download winzip this program will decompress =
the file.
corey day
dayc@ix.netcom.com
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From: C.R.F. <wizkid@inlink.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Thursday, May 01, 1997 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: striptune.zip

At 09:36 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I recently downloaded a program for setting up engines, kind of like
>Desktop Dyno. for some reason I cant get it to work, a friend of mine
>said I have to "un zip" it. does anyone know what this means or how to
>do it.  I'd like to see how acurate it is biulding engines.
>Marty
>68 442
>
>
You run it against a program called pkunzip.exe.  It will then unzip it.

A 'zipped' program is one that is condensed, ie, made much smaller by =
taking
out all the free space in the file, and packing it closer together.  =
When it
is unzipped the reverse happens, and you get ordinary files.

If you have pkunqip.exe you type "pkunzip <file name of zipped file" and
shortly you will have what you are looking for.

The Wiz




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<P>Go to <A href=3D"http://www.winzip.com">www.winzip.com</A> and =
download winzip=20
this program will decompress the file.</P>

<P>corey day

<P>dayc@ix.netcom.com</P>
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<B>From: </B>C.R.F. &lt;wizkid@inlink.com&gt;<BR>
<B>To: </B>oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca<BR>
<B>Date: </B>Thursday, May 01, 1997 3:54 AM<BR>
<B>Subject: </B>Re: striptune.zip<BR>
<BR>
<HTML><BODY><FONT size=3D2>At 09:36 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:<BR>
&gt;I recently downloaded a program for setting up engines, kind of =
like<BR>
&gt;Desktop Dyno. for some reason I cant get it to work, a friend of =
mine<BR>
&gt;said I have to &quot;un zip&quot; it. does anyone know what this =
means or=20
how to<BR>
&gt;do it.&nbsp; I'd like to see how acurate it is biulding engines.<BR>
&gt;Marty<BR>
&gt;68 442<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;<BR>
You run it against a program called pkunzip.exe.&nbsp; It will then =
unzip=20
it.<BR>
<BR>
A 'zipped' program is one that is condensed, ie, made much smaller by =
taking<BR>
out all the free space in the file, and packing it closer =
together.&nbsp; When=20
it<BR>
is unzipped the reverse happens, and you get ordinary files.<BR>
<BR>
If you have pkunqip.exe you type &quot;pkunzip &lt;file name of zipped=20
file&quot; and<BR>
shortly you will have what you are looking for.<BR>
<BR>
The Wiz<BR>
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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 05:24:12 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: new member

     I expect pictures if you intend on installing that kit!  The '78-'80's
     are G-bodies too, but it probably wouldn't fit them.  They use
     slightly different sheet metal, the doors, hoods, etc. aren't
     interchangeable with '81-88 years.  A clarification to someone's
     earlier post, that kit won't fit _any_ G-body, just '81-88 Cutlass's.
     It *might* fit a Regal, since you can interchange doors and I think
     fenders with them, but why??

     I can't remember the exact details, but there was something special
     about this kit if and only if it was installed on an '88.  Something
     like you send in a card to register it and it's then officially a
     Hurst/Aero, otherwise it's just a Hurst/Aero commemorative.  BTW, if
     anyone wants an aero kit like this, or even something more radical,
     and doesn't care that it's not the genuine Aero Kit, then contact
     Lauren Engineering (contact info on Bryceman's page at www.442.com)
     and get one of their catalogs.  Neat stuff, although I've never seen
     it in the flesh so I can't say what the quality is like.

     BTW, I just saw my first ever '88 RWD Cutlass in the mall parking lot
     the other week (are these really rare or is it just me?).  I'm not
     sure what to make of that new front end with the composite headlights.
      Part of me says "weird", another part says "hey, cool!".

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

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_________________________________ Subject: RE: new member Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/30/97 5:35 PM

 Wow, It's funny how this just came up.  I just sent out a nice
sized check for one of these Aero Kits.  I Bought it from someone on the
list. By the way I think it will only fit 81-88 Cutlasses. (Were the 78-80
Cutlasses G-body or were they still A?)

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme (soon to be AeroHurst)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:45:11 -0300
Subject: Re: The FINAL archive is now available!

I'd like to offer a special thanks to Jeff (and to Drew also) for their
work in making the archive available to everyone. I know how much work it
must have been and I for one certainly appreciate their efforts. Well done.


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 1 May 1997 12:46:35 -0300
Subject: Leaky Sun roof

Thanks for the response for the center console shifter. Basically
everyone who has done this says that the new one from GM will fit
exactly like the old one, which doesn't really matter as long as it
is the same color and works.

Next subject, How hard is it to have the seal around the sun roof
replaced, mine is leaking when water sits there too long. I don't
know if it is the rubber that comes in contact between the metal on
the roof of the car or if it is the actual seal that hold the glass
in the frame. It looks complicated I'm afraid to take it to some
one who doesn't have G-body sunroof experience. This is the roof
that comes from the factory I should just take it to the dealer
huuh. This is the electric type that just slides back and forth, it
does not tilt or anything, it also has a sun shade that slide out
of the way as the roof opens.

Thanks for you help.



Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

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