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oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 26 May 1997        Volume 01 : Number 693

Mondello sucks DMR clueless
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
oldsmobile info
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Re: 69 W-32
Re: oldsmobile info
Re: Hey
Last attempt HELP!! Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Sport Mirror Question
Cool Skateboard
Re: speedo cable lube
Re: 66 rear end swappability
400 pistons
Re: Warhoops Junkyard -  Detroit Area
Re: Hey
Re: Warhoops Junkyard -  Detroit Area
Re: Warhoops Junkyard -  Detroit Area
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Re: Original Parts Group
top ten muscle cars on MCR web page..
oops forgot MCR link for top ten musclecars
Re: Sport Mirror Question
69 Convertible
Re: Hey
Radio Speaker Info
Re: Mondello sucks i agree!
Re: Radio Speaker Info
What size carbs yall think?
Re: Hey
Today I'm Broken???
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Re: oldsmobile info
G-body axle codes
Performance Parts
Rockit's B-day
Re: What size carbs yall think?
W-30 Detailing Question...
Re: Last attempt HELP!! Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"
Re: Radio Speaker Info
Re: Today I'm Broken???
Re: Cool Skateboard
Re: W-30 Detailing Question...
Re: Last attempt HELP!! Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"
Re: Today I'm Broken???
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Re: Rockit's B-day
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Re: oldsmobile info
Re: Fw: Olds at Hot Rod Power Tour...
RE[was Re: Mondello s*cks](OLDS NATs)
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]
Connecting rod discussion
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Chris B. Witt
Re: Chris B. Witt
Usenet newsgroup ?

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 03:20:40 -0300
Subject: Mondello sucks DMR clueless

OL>Ever hear of Dicks racing? they're saying is "Mondello sells parts, we
OL>sell horsepower."
OL>We've talked to Joe on the phone and he is a complete prick who thinks
OL>he knows everything, his son is pretty cool though.  We'd like to get
OL>the V/O twister back on the road and blow Joe's Twister II clean off the
OL>track.  That would piss him off, getting beat by his old car.
OL>Marty
OL>68 442

I called DMR about 2 years ago (Mondello had a busy signal) to ask a
couple questions most of them he (or whoever answered the phone)
couldn't give me an answer or the answer given didn't answer the
question I asked. BTW did DMR ever finish the F.I. for Olds motors?
cost?

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 06:26:58 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

Take note of the following in the latest JWO, contained in an ad for the
Mondello Nationals:

"NEWS FLASH: Mondello Performance Products Inc. no longer sells parts to,
through or is associated in any way, shape or form with Dick Miller
Racing of Jackson, Michugan. Dick Miller Racing has not been our Eastern
Distributor since September, 1996."

FYI, the Mondello Nationals are July 13th at Norwalk Raceway Park in
Norwalk, Ohio. Mondello lists a web address in his ad:
http://webs.tcsn.net/mondello

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Paul Hoppel <p.hoppel@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:04:11 -0300
Subject: oldsmobile info

i have a 1969 olds 442 and i am putting finishing touches on the engine.
could you tell me what color gold the engine is and were i could get the
paint. my car is a1969 442 convertible. thank you for you
help                                         Paul Hoppel  Amherst NY

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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 11:18:45 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

Had to throw in my two cents on this one, i can't speak for mondello but
i have met Dick Miller several times and have ordered many a part from
dick over the years, the service-advice i have recieved from Dick Miller
has been first-class.  Joe who??

Michael Brady
OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 chapter

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From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 04:24:27 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 W-32

Here are the spec for the ª393859 cam
Over         Dur                      Lift
application
       .            int/exh                  int/exh
58         286/286                .472/.472                400 AT, W-32
OAI(outside air induct)

Corey D
70 Cutlass S -455
dayc@ix.netcom.com
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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Sunday, May 25, 1997 2:18 AM
Subject: RE: 69 W-32

At 09:28 PM 5/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Do you have any info on the cam shaft in a w-32 such as specs, part
numbers,
>or is it the same as an automatic 442 or w-31?  Also is there anything
else
>unique to a w-32?  Does the w-32 have pinstripes or wide stripes on the
hood?
>I am also interested in ram air parts or where I can buy them.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Karl Morra
>

Karl

        The 69 W-32 used the same cam as the 66-69 4 spd 442 cars. The cam
part number is ª393859. I'm sorry I don't have the specs for the cam
handy.
These engines were identical to the 4 spd cars. They just had the OAI
added
to them. The hood was suppose to have the Y-73 Paint Stripes on the hood.
I
have seen 1 documented W-32 the was black and did not have the hood
stripes.
They did make a few W-32 Convertibles. A total of 297 69 W-32's were
built.
25 Sport Coupes, 247 Holiday Coupes and 25 Convertibles. Hope this info
helps.

Jim Chermack

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 10:12:22 -0300
Subject: Re: oldsmobile info

Paul Hoppel wrote:
>
> i have a 1969 olds 442 and i am putting finishing touches on the engine.
> could you tell me what color gold the engine is and were i could get the
> paint. my car is a1969 442 convertible. thank you for you
> help

If I am not mistaken your engine should be bronze in color (orangy) not
gold.  The gold I think is for the 350 engine.

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 12:11:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey

R.S.,
The Oldsmobile club of North Texas is having a show with the Buick and Pontiac
 people next weekend in Grapevine. Also, I might have parts for your '70.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: "Teresa Stump " <tstump@pacbell.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 12:46:51 -0300
Subject: Last attempt HELP!! Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"

Ok guys!  I know someone out there can help me with this.  I have a
complete car except this one thing!  I still need the front fender script
for my 1963 Dynamic 88.  Any ideas.......Please mail me.
Teresa...tstump@pacbell.net
BTW...Thanks in advance!!

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 12:58:14 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

>At 09:18 PM 5/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Ever hear of Dicks racing? they're saying is "Mondello sells parts, we
>              ^^^^^
>>sell horsepower."
>
>You mean Dick Miller Racing (DMR for short)?

BTW, on Mondello's web page, he makes it clear that Dick Miller is no longer
associated with Mondello in any way, shape, or form.  Don't know what
happened there, but apparently Dick isn't one of Joe's buddies, either....


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:15:02 -0300
Subject: Sport Mirror Question

I have sport mirrors on my '71 442 and have a problem with the drivers
mirror.  The mirror itself started to rattle and I can rotate the
mirror  back and forth.  How does one go about tightening this up?
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:18:45 -0300
Subject: Cool Skateboard

I was in Wal-Mart the other day with the kids, and one of them brings
over a skateboard for me to see.  It's a Hobie that has pictures of
muscle cars on the bottom.  Lets see... a M**tang, a Shi*velle, a
Judge,  2 M**ars, and an Oldsmobile (no Buick).  Not a 442, but a Rallye
350!  Well, at least someone out there appreciates Olds.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 19:11:42 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

Dr. Barry is right on the money. In the 66 big cars, the cruise cable went
from wheel hub to cruise unit and there was another cable from the cruise
unit to the speedo. These are scarce as hens teeth now and mine doesn't
work right. Darnit.
cf

>At 01:17 AM 5/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Uh, what's the difference between a speedo cable and a cruise control speedo
>>cable?
>
>A speedometer cable goes from something (wheel hub, transmission, cruise
>control box) to the speedometer.
>
>A cruise control cable goes from something (wheel hub or transmission) to
>the cruise control box.
>
>But I'm just guessing on this one...
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 13:24:16 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 rear end swappability

>What's wrong with your 98's axle?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

2.73 rear end ratio, I'd like to put in a 3.08 or 3.23 (preferably anti-spin)
cf

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From: Steve <smickle@ismi.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:01:26 -0300
Subject: 400 pistons

I haven't had much time for the list lately, so let me apologize in
advance if this info is redundant.  The 65-67 400 block will take a 350
piston with a .057" overbore.  The 350 pistons are readily available in
a variety of compression ratios.

By the way, list members, I was telling a friend about the list and what
goes on here, he's got a Corvette, and we tried in vain to find a
similar list for him to subscribe to which devoted itself to 'Vettes.
In short, we're lucky to have this!

Steve.

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From: lawrencr@kostabi (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 16:05:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Warhoops Junkyard -  Detroit Area

> >I was looking at heads just for grins.  I saw a couple of C's
> >an E, a G, and a 3.  They want $65 a head.  They pull.  Is this a good
> >deal?

> Not spectacular, unless they were ready to run. What would they want for the
> whole engine? (they pull)

None of the heads (or engines) looked like they were ready to run.
I'll check on how much they want for an engine.

I did notice some 88's with 2V carbs.  Which years do
we think have the forged cranks?

> >Anybody know what Wesley's Bleach-White will do to vinyl seats?

> It's a harsh cleaner; I wouldn't want to see what it would do to the carpet.
> Keep the Bleach-white on the tires, and get some vinyl upholstery cleaner
> for your seats. (I'm still regretting using Bleach-white on my vinyl top...
:(

My rear seats are filthy!  I've tried bleach, foam cleaner, and Wesley's
Vinyl & Leather cleaner.  The best thing I've tried so far is Goop.  It
would still take many hours to get these seats white, again.  I'm looking
for something that doesn't require so much effort.  I'm afraid Bleach-white
would eat through the stitching.  The rear seats are out of the car, right
now, so I'm not worried about the carpet.

I really need new upholstery, new carpet, and a new top.  I'm trying to
put it off until I can afford to take the car off the road for a couple of
weeks.

-
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lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\ (810)
825-5129    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/ Sterling Hts.,
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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:08:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> R.S.,
> The Oldsmobile club of North Texas is having a show with the Buick and
Pontiac > people next weekend in Grapevine. Also, I might have parts for your
'70. > > Art Fuller > mefco@sprynet.com

Tell me if you do.

  RS
'70 442 4-speed

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:42:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Warhoops Junkyard -  Detroit Area

At 04:05 PM 5/25/97 -0300, Robert Lawrence wrote:

>My rear seats are filthy!  I've tried bleach, foam cleaner, and Wesley's
>Vinyl & Leather cleaner.  The best thing I've tried so far is Goop.  It
>would still take many hours to get these seats white, again.  I'm looking
>for something that doesn't require so much effort.  I'm afraid Bleach-white
>would eat through the stitching.  The rear seats are out of the car, right
>now, so I'm not worried about the carpet.

Try Mothers Mag Wheel and Aluminum polish on the vinyl seats. I have used
this many times in the past and believe it or not it removes most of the
filth, dirt, grime, etc. As a matter of fact I just recently got done
cleaning the white seats in my 75 H/O with it. Did a respectable job.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....looks like the resto will get done this year!

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 17:45:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Warhoops Junkyard -  Detroit Area

At 03:05 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I did notice some 88's with 2V carbs.  Which years do
>we think have the forged cranks?

That would be the '68 455's, preferrably with the towing package.

>> >Anybody know what Wesley's Bleach-White will do to vinyl seats?
>My rear seats are filthy!  I've tried bleach, foam cleaner, and Wesley's
>Vinyl & Leather cleaner.  The best thing I've tried so far is Goop.  It
>would still take many hours to get these seats white, again.  I'm looking
>for something that doesn't require so much effort.  I'm afraid Bleach-white
>would eat through the stitching.  The rear seats are out of the car, right
>now, so I'm not worried about the carpet.

My concern wouldn't be it eating through the stitching; it tends to stick
around and streak when it gets rained on, though you could probably clean
off your seats pretty thoroughly. If you didn't get it all off, however, I
wouldn't want to be the person to sit in *that* back seat, if I wanted the
seat of my pants to be the same color when I stood up. Clean it off
thoroughly, and you should be all set.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Jim Fleeson <o455@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:52:33 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

Michael Brady wrote:
>
> Had to throw in my two cents on this one, i can't speak for mondello but
> i have met Dick Miller several times and have ordered many a part from
> dick over the years, the service-advice i have recieved from Dick Miller
> has been first-class.  Joe who??
>
> Michael Brady
> OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 chapter

I Can't Believe What I've Been Hearing About MONDELLO..

There is one thing that keeps coming to my mind when I read all this
bad mouthing about Mondello, The word OLDSMOBILE..

When you go and look for parts for ANY Oldsmobile at almost any parts
store, They either Don't have it or more times than not They can,t
even get it..

So buying Olds parts(engine) is not a everyday thing in the Performance
market.

I,m in the process of building a 455 for strip use only, and I have been
doing alot of performance hunting as well as performance info
hunting(the info I get from this board is with out adoubt the best) and
the prices for Oldsmobile Performance parts are (as everbody knows) not
CHEAP..

If Mondello Is not up to par on the Performance edge of things, I don't
think he could have stuck around for as long as he has. And Without JOE,
DICK MILLER would not be selling what he has to sell..

This Is Olds Country, Anybody that sells Olds Parts Is A One Of A Kind
Company..

You Can't PLEASE Everybody All The Time..
But The Knowledge That Is Joe Mondello Can't Be Beat..

Some One Had To Stand Up For Joe And If I Am The Only One, Well So Be
It.

'81 Cutlass Supreme(455 Race Rebuild)

Good Day..

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From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 09:23:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Parts Group

- ----------
> I was looking through an Original Parts Group catalog for Ch*velle, my
> friend had and I was wondering if anyone new if they had a Cutlass/442
> catalog. I saw an ad for them in Hot Rod, and they list Ch*velle and
> L*Mans. They actually had complete consoles new for about $150. I was
> shocked and was wondering if they had them for Olds. I'll call them
> Tuesday, just wondering if anyone knew off the top of their heads.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

          Hay Stephen let us know what you find out , i know that i would
buy one at that price. Thanks Luke

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:19:56 -0300
Subject: top ten muscle cars on MCR web page..

Check out ª9 and ª2. :)

Ken

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:22:22 -0300
Subject: oops forgot MCR link for top ten musclecars

Lemme try this again...

Check out ª9 and ª2..

http://www.d-p-g.com/musclecar/CurrentIssue/eO.htm

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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:40:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Sport Mirror Question

Hi,
       You could try taking the control out of the door panel and turning it
a couple of turns one way and seeif that takes the looseness out if it gets
looser turn it the other way. I have done this on other cars in the past and
it helps.        Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
OCA  ª016050

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From: "Richard Henderson" <hendu6969@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 20:54:12 -0300
Subject: 69 Convertible

Help! I'm looking at buying a 69 Cutlass S convertible...

I've looked at it, and it looks in good shape...

Are there any special area I should look for for problems?
I'm not too fussy about the engine, it's the body and frame I'm worried
about... Where on the car should I be looking?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Richard

P.S. If anyone in Southern Ontario has a 68-72 Cutlass for sale, cheap... mail
 me with details...


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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:07:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey

R.S.,
Tell you if I do what?

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:26:28 -0300
Subject: Radio Speaker Info

Some of you might remember the discussion here this past winter about
finding replacement 10-ohm radio speakers for use with Delco radios. The
concensus at the time was that you could use an 8-ohm with no problem and
that a 4-ohm was risky since the 60s and 70s vintage delco radios were
designed for use with 10-ohm speakers, and that it was tough to find them
these days.

Today I was at a swap meet and what do I find at the first table but a
wrecking yard rep with dozens of late model GM speakers. A lot of them
were from Achieva's, 98s, and other GM makes from about '88 up to '93.
Some of them were either 4 ohm or had no impedance rating, but a bunch of
them were rated at either 9.5 or 10 ohms. I picked up 2 Delcos, both 6x9s,
in mint shape, for peanuts. I sure wish I had known this before I went to
the expense of getting my old one reconed! These have much heavier magnets
to boot... just wish they has some 4x10s there for my front dash location.

An interesting tidbit for sure. Now, does anyone know of any late GMs
that use 4x10s? Since it seems they still use 10 ohm speakers I should be
able to find one of those too for a front replacement.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: TURBO38@aol.com
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:24:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello sucks i agree!

i called about a month ago and he practically bit my head off for asking him
a question. i was asking about cam specs. i will never call him for shit
else.

thank you.

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:50:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Radio Speaker Info

At 09:26 PM 5/25/97 -0300, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

>
>An interesting tidbit for sure. Now, does anyone know of any late GMs
>that use 4x10s? Since it seems they still use 10 ohm speakers I should be
>able to find one of those too for a front replacement.

Any G-body from 78-88 uses 4x10's in the rear. I came across a set in our
yard a few days back, but the car has sat there for a long time and field
mice ate through them ;-(  I am looking for a set of working 4x10's myself
for the 80 442. I only have one functioning rear speaker. Problem is that
most G-bodies I come across here have aftermarket systems in them and the
factory speakers are long gone.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....looks like the resto will get done this year!

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 21:47:53 -0300
Subject: What size carbs yall think?

A question for performance guys

The engine
455 +.030
11:1 forged pistons
Strapped mains/restricted top end
Ported polished "E" heads
Stainless valves w/ machined stems
Roller rockers
.540/.540 252@.050 cam
unilite w/ Constant Discharge ignition
2" primary headers
Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
Dual quad tunnel ram

  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s
I dont want to over carb with the 850's and I dont wanna
under carb with all the porting work.  Can the 850's be jetted
to run on my motor? or will I be better off with smaller carbs?

Ken

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:01:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> R.S.,
> Tell you if I do what?
>
> Art Fuller
> mefco@sprynet.com

If you find any parts for my '70 442 4-speed.

  RS
'70 442 4-speed

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:23:42 -0300
Subject: Today I'm Broken???

OK, I've picked up my '75 cutlass, still no exhaust, complete with new
carb gasket and new distributor cap...  I parked it a day or two agao and
now it won't start..

I pulled off two wires and it appears to spark regularly, I primed it to
no avail, and it won't even cough!!  There's power to the distributor
wire?  It coughed twice, but never very much.  There's fuel in the
filter, yet the accelerator pump will not pump fuel!!

Help ME!~@ª!!!!

One distressed Olds Owner (who is still trying!)

BTW, look for new pics of my outrageous hood-design coming next weekend!

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.1.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 22:35:53 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

Jim Fleeson wrote:
>
> Michael Brady wrote:
> >
> > Had to throw in my two cents on this one, i can't speak for mondello but
> > i have met Dick Miller several times and have ordered many a part from
> > dick over the years, the service-advice i have recieved from Dick Miller
> > has been first-class.  Joe who??
> >
> > Michael Brady
> > OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 chapter
>
> I Can't Believe What I've Been Hearing About MONDELLO..
>
> There is one thing that keeps coming to my mind when I read all this
> bad mouthing about Mondello, The word OLDSMOBILE..
>
> When you go and look for parts for ANY Oldsmobile at almost any parts
> store, They either Don't have it or more times than not They can,t
> even get it..
>
> So buying Olds parts(engine) is not a everyday thing in the Performance
> market.
>
> I,m in the process of building a 455 for strip use only, and I have been
> doing alot of performance hunting as well as performance info
> hunting(the info I get from this board is with out adoubt the best) and
> the prices for Oldsmobile Performance parts are (as everbody knows) not
> CHEAP..
>
> If Mondello Is not up to par on the Performance edge of things, I don't
> think he could have stuck around for as long as he has. And Without JOE,
> DICK MILLER would not be selling what he has to sell..
>
> This Is Olds Country, Anybody that sells Olds Parts Is A One Of A Kind
> Company..
>
> You Can't PLEASE Everybody All The Time..
> But The Knowledge That Is Joe Mondello Can't Be Beat..
>
> Some One Had To Stand Up For Joe And If I Am The Only One, Well So Be
> It.
>
> '81 Cutlass Supreme(455 Race Rebuild)
>
> Good Day..
you've obviosly never met the sp*c.
and the only reason he's still in it is because he's buying his way.
look a little harder, he's not all he's cracked up to be.

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:30:29 -0300
Subject: Re: oldsmobile info

At 11:04 AM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>i have a 1969 olds 442 and i am putting finishing touches on the engine.
>could you tell me what color gold the engine is and were i could get the
>paint. my car is a1969 442 convertible. thank you for you
>help                                         Paul Hoppel  Amherst NY
>
>
Paul

        The engine color is suppose to be bronze. Brothers Automotive sells
the best match to the factory color. They have a web page. I don't have the
info for it at this time.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Jason Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:27:55 -0300
Subject: G-body axle codes

For all you that were looking for G-body axle codes the Turbo Regal website
has a very nice and detailed listing at
http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/tech/axle_codes.txt

- --------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
93 Z/28...patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 Hurst/Olds W-25

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:39:50 -0300
Subject: Performance Parts

Hey All,

        I know there has been alot of discussion about Mondello. There are
other places to find performance parts for Oldsmobiles. The one you should
check out is Dale Smith. He used to be a factory engineer for Olds in the
performance days. He was partially responsible for the coming of the W-30.
He makes and sells alot of performance parts for these engines. He will also
make goodies such as hand made sheet aluminum intakes that come port matched
to your heads. A friend just got one for his 9 second Olds 442 race car.
Nicknamed Ram Rod II. This friend swears by the parts he's got from Dale.
I'll get some more info and an address and number to post.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:51:32 -0300
Subject: Rockit's B-day

     Well, in celebration of the Rockit's 8th birthday (since adoption:) I
took 'er out last night.  (Some may recall that the engine is kinda blown
up???)  Cruised the streets for about three hours :)  Running on six
cylinders...  Helluva smokeshow all night long!!!  It was raining all night,
so it didn't show so bad...  "Wiper's ~do~ work, and the horn ~does~ blow,
and there ain't nothin' wrong with the radio!!!!"  (That's what I kept
telling everyone last night :)  Ya know, I've even got the 15 [inch]
speakers across my back dash.  Hmm...  Mike, Andy?  Ya mind if I borrow
Checkers for a while, so I can have the "little bobbin' dog watchin'
everybody pass?"  Uh, oh...  I'm not gonna do that dual antenna thing, though.

Actually put over 50 miles on er cruising around last night:)  Get this
part, though -- someone tell me if this makes much sense:

Little background...  The engine ~always~ smoked through the crankcase.
Never did manage to nail that one down.  One day something went, and it ran
on only six (ª3 & ª7 died)  Knocked a bit on the way home after that.  Best
educated guess says that those two pistons have nice holes in 'em from
something.  Last night, while out playing ;) I kept a close eye on
everything.  Temp never touched 220, and oil pressure never dropped below
30.  (You'd think the engine was fine, except for that big miss, and the
cloud of smoke two miles long...)  Here's the kicker.  Put it in reverse,
and it starts knocking like crazy.  I'm suspecting something happening with
crankshaft endplay, maybe worn thrust bearings,  (or missing...)

It's no major concern, since this engine is not sceduled to live out much
more of it's life (at least for a few years, when I can rebuild it right...)
I'm planning (or at least, needing) to have another engine in there this
week...

This brings me to the Rockit's birthday present.   I found ~another~ donor
that I think I can get cheap (I ~hope~)  I know the car hasn't moved in
years, so I'm hoping.  It's a '68 Toro (wahoo!) but I don't know what shape
the engine's in.  If it's in decent running order, and I can pry it out of
her hands for cheap, its going to become Rockit 6.  I'd imagine one of those
455 Toro Stump Pullers ought to be able to tow a car trailer across the
state.  I'm sure it would do better than my parents' ch*vy pickup, anyway.
~Probably~ get better mileage, too.  I don't know though.  Mike might report
me to the PETT organization (which resides on another list -- I happen to be
a member ~and~ a client...)  The People for the Ethical Treatment of Toros
might get upset, unless I use parts of the shell as peace offerings... :)

I guess I'd better focusing on getting it, first!  If I can't, I'll have to
"borrow" the '67 Toro's 425 for the job.  I kinda like the 455 for that
purpose, though.  Especially the Toro's!

The '68 Toro shows two HP specs, 375 and 400.  Am I right in speculating
that the difference here is the OAI system?  Or did Toro put other mods in
there too???

I'm curious, since I'd be running it with the Edelbrock Performer, HEI, and
(hopefully) my own cross-bred (inbred???) ram air system.  I figure even
with 100000+ miles on it, I should be able to coax a few big ponies out of
it.  Here I go again.  I'll dream more if I manage to get it:)

Oh, yeah.  I also won a race tonight with it!!!!!  :)  (against a ch*vy, of
course...)  ~REALLY~ classic part was that his pass. window was open, and I
~completely~ filled up his cab with smoke!!!  On the way to work today, I
had a f*rd Ranger tailgating me.  I could ~barely~ see it!!!  (Oof!  Maybe
I'll have to stick to ~nighttime~ cruising!)

Later....



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:44:00 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

At 09:47 PM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>A question for performance guys
>
>The engine
>455 +.030
>11:1 forged pistons
>Strapped mains/restricted top end
>Ported polished "E" heads
>Stainless valves w/ machined stems
>Roller rockers
>.540/.540 252@.050 cam
>unilite w/ Constant Discharge ignition
>2" primary headers
>Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
>Dual quad tunnel ram
>
>  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
>850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s
>I dont want to over carb with the 850's and I dont wanna
>under carb with all the porting work.  Can the 850's be jetted
>to run on my motor? or will I be better off with smaller carbs?
>
>Ken
>
>
Ken

        If this is a race only engine I'd go with two 850's. It will be
under carbed with only one, even if it's jetted all the way. Plus with the
nitrous your definetly going to need more fuel. You can jet the two 850's a
little lighter and get really good throttle response out of them. The last
493 that was built to be raced actually liked a 1050 dominator or the dual
carbs. It would run lean all the way down the track with a single 850 with
the biggest jets that are available.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 23:50:55 -0300
Subject: W-30 Detailing Question...

I'm doing some detailing under the hood of my 71' and was wondering what
works the best on getting the aluminum intake clean. I removed the intake
on my 70' and had it bead blasted and it turned out great, but i had to
take care of a water leak anyway. I don't want to pull the intake on the
71' if i can find something that cleans well while it's on the engine.

Regards,

Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
OCA ª 028157

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:17:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Last attempt HELP!! Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"

At 12:46 PM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Ok guys!  I know someone out there can help me with this.  I have a
>complete car except this one thing!  I still need the front fender script
>for my 1963 Dynamic 88.  Any ideas.......Please mail me.
>Teresa...tstump@pacbell.net
>BTW...Thanks in advance!!
>
Teresa, check out my web page.  I've got a early 60's Dynamic 88 (unsure of
year) available locally.

http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/Salvage.htm

If that looks like the right car, let me know.  I'll see what I can get from
it...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:17:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Radio Speaker Info

>An interesting tidbit for sure. Now, does anyone know of any late GMs
>that use 4x10s? Since it seems they still use 10 ohm speakers I should be
>able to find one of those too for a front replacement.

The 78 & up G/A bodies had the 4X10's in the rear deck.  Check 'em out.  You
might find some decent ones still out there.  Many of them got pretty rough
pretty quick.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:17:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Today I'm Broken???

At 10:23 PM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>OK, I've picked up my '75 cutlass, still no exhaust, complete with new
>carb gasket and new distributor cap...  I parked it a day or two agao and
>now it won't start..
>
>I pulled off two wires and it appears to spark regularly, I primed it to
>no avail, and it won't even cough!!  There's power to the distributor
>wire?  It coughed twice, but never very much.  There's fuel in the
>filter, yet the accelerator pump will not pump fuel!!
>

Try shooting some ether down there???  If the pump is not shooting anything
out, you might have a multitude of problems, Perhaps the fuel pump died?
Maybe the filter's plugged (badly) or the float's stuck?  Can you tell if
there's any fuel in the carb?  Is the filter (that you say has fuel in it)
the normal Q-jet filter?  Or is it an aftermarket in-line clear one?  These
can still have fuel stuck in the bottom of em, with the line depressurized.
Maybe that's something???  Good luck....


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:17:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Cool Skateboard

At 01:18 PM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I was in Wal-Mart the other day with the kids, and one of them brings
>over a skateboard for me to see.  It's a Hobie that has pictures of
>muscle cars on the bottom.  Lets see... a M**tang,

Hmmm...   Fastest rustang on wheels!!!  ;)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 14:30:12 -0300
Subject: Re: W-30 Detailing Question...

>I'm doing some detailing under the hood of my 71' and was wondering what
>works the best on getting the aluminum intake clean. I removed the intake
>on my 70' and had it bead blasted and it turned out great, but i had to
>take care of a water leak anyway. I don't want to pull the intake on the
>71' if i can find something that cleans well while it's on the engine.

Just a suggestion, how about aluminum wheel cleaner?  I've never used the
stuff for anything or tried to clean an aluminum intake, but it might be
worth a shot.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:16:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Last attempt HELP!! Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"

At 12:46 PM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Ok guys!  I know someone out there can help me with this.  I have a
>complete car except this one thing!  I still need the front fender script
>for my 1963 Dynamic 88.  Any ideas.......Please mail me.
>Teresa...tstump@pacbell.net
>BTW...Thanks in advance!!
>

Teresa

        You might try Fusick's or Everett Horton (Everett are you out there?)
They are the only ones that might have them. I don't. Hope one of these guys
can help you.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:29:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Today I'm Broken???

At 09:23 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>OK, I've picked up my '75 cutlass, still no exhaust, complete with new
>carb gasket and new distributor cap...  I parked it a day or two agao and
>now it won't start..
>
>I pulled off two wires and it appears to spark regularly, I primed it to
>no avail, and it won't even cough!!  There's power to the distributor
>wire?  It coughed twice, but never very much.  There's fuel in the
>filter, yet the accelerator pump will not pump fuel!!

OK, first, which carb gasket are you talking about having replaced? IF you
took apart the carb, it's possible that you inlet valve is stuck shut, or
perhaps the float is jamming it shut. Does it run on starting fluid or if
you prime the throttles with a squirt of gasoline? If so, then your carb is
the culprit.

If it doesn't fire up with the above, then it's possibly the ignition. Has
your timing slipped? Those would be the likely problems.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:29:06 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

At 08:47 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A question for performance guys
[snip of details of healthy motor]
>Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
>Dual quad tunnel ram
>
>  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
>850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s

Which tunnel-ram are you using? If it's a street tunnel-ram, then it likely
has relatively small runners and wouldn't flow the 1700cfm of two 850's very
well. You'd have to spend all your time above 4000rpm for decent response,
but the manifold would top out at 6500-7000rpm, and those carbs could flow
you to well past that. While your engine sounds healthy, it doesn't sound
like a 8000rpm motor. You'd probably need a sheet-metal intake for those
speeds.

Two 650's should provide plenty of flow to get you to 6500rpm (a prudent
speed for your engine), while a pair of 500's would give you better response
on the street, and still let you spin over 6000rpm.

Remember, people get 6500rpms out a big-block Olds with a Q-jet, so two
500's would _still_ give you 150cfm over *that*.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:44:12 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

At 06:26 AM 5/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>
>FYI, the Mondello Nationals are July 13th at Norwalk Raceway Park in
>Norwalk, Ohio. Mondello lists a web address in his ad:
>http://webs.tcsn.net/mondello
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>

Is anybody thinking about going to the Mondello Nats this year???? I went in
'94 and thought it was pretty good ....I was thinking about maybe heading
out there again this year, its a long drive but its worth it seeing that I
don't often get the chance to see staging lanes full of Oldsmobiles ..;-)

- ----------------------------
Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0
email: steveb@thecia.net
- ----------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:41:56 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

At 10:44 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>        If this is a race only engine I'd go with two 850's. It will be
>under carbed with only one, even if it's jetted all the way. Plus with the
>nitrous your definetly going to need more fuel. You can jet the two 850's a

The extra fuel for that nitrous _ought_ to be coming from the spray bar, not
the carb, though, wouldn't it? Though you might want to jet the carb a bit
richer as a safety factor, the rich jetting should start with the nitrous
fuel circuit alone.

Anyway, the cam choice:

>>.540/.540 252@.050 cam

seemed a bit mild for an all-out race engine; Jim, what cam did your 493
use? This sounded more like a street-strip motor, where 650cfm _over_ that
Dominator Jim used would be a bit of overkill. Perhaps just 250cfm more with
the dual 650 carbs would be sufficient? Jim, which dual-carb intake did you
use with dual 850's?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:48:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Rockit's B-day

At 10:51 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
[snip]
>I found ~another~ donor
>that I think I can get cheap (I ~hope~)  I know the car hasn't moved in
>years, so I'm hoping.  It's a '68 Toro (wahoo!) but I don't know what shape
>the engine's in.  If it's in decent running order, and I can pry it out of
>her hands for cheap, its going to become Rockit 6.

If you get that '68, Charlie, I've got a list of needs for my '68, and I
call dibs on the hubcaps/wheelcovers! And the tilt/tele wheel, if so equipped.

>The '68 Toro shows two HP specs, 375 and 400.  Am I right in speculating
>that the difference here is the OAI system?  Or did Toro put other mods in
>there too???

Well, it's not a 400hp car. They only made about 110 that year, so they're
slightly less rare than the '66 W-30 442's, just to put things into
perspective.

The 400hp cars not only had the OAI system, but also a higher-lift cam and a
different distributor. These were the motors they put in the Hurst/Olds cars
that year (rated at 390hp, since the Toros theoretically always got the
"best" stuff).

>I'm curious, since I'd be running it with the Edelbrock Performer, HEI, and
>(hopefully) my own cross-bred (inbred???) ram air system.  I figure even
>with 100000+ miles on it, I should be able to coax a few big ponies out of
>it.  Here I go again.  I'll dream more if I manage to get it:)

It would likely provide 400hp (gross) for you, with the high-rise intake and
the cold air. but remember, I want the parts from the rest of the car! And,
if you trashed the current block in your Rockit, I call dibs on the main
caps too!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:46:31 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> At 08:47 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >A question for performance guys
> [snip of details of healthy motor]
> >Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
> >Dual quad tunnel ram
> >
> >  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
> >850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s
>
> Which tunnel-ram are you using? If it's a street tunnel-ram, then it likely
> has relatively small runners and wouldn't flow the 1700cfm of two 850's very
> well. You'd have to spend all your time above 4000rpm for decent response,
> but the manifold would top out at 6500-7000rpm, and those carbs could flow
> you to well past that. While your engine sounds healthy, it doesn't sound
> like a 8000rpm motor. You'd probably need a sheet-metal intake for those
speeds. > > Two 650's should provide plenty of flow to get you to 6500rpm (a
prudent > speed for your engine), while a pair of 500's would give you better
response > on the street, and still let you spin over 6000rpm. > > Remember,
people get 6500rpms out a big-block Olds with a Q-jet, so two > 500's would
_still_ give you 150cfm over *that*. >
_______________________________________________________ > Dr. Robert Barry
MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu > Theology Dept, Providence College,
Providence, RI 02918 if you want your car to burn down..buy a holley

------------------------------

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:16:59 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

OK, fellas,  Dick Millers new newsletter states that Joe Mondello will not
sell him parts anymore due to that DMR has printed his own catalog of
performance parts.  Dick Millers knowledge of Oldsmobiles comes from himself
racing his
1970 W-31 Olds and his 1988 Cutlass Supreme race car that does run low 9's in
the quarter mile.  I have met Dick Miller at the Olds Nats at Norwalk and the
NMCA events.  Dick Miller is willing to help you and talk to you.  He has
just as much and even more knowledge of Olds than Joe.  Remember when Joe
Mondello started out, he was building small block chevys.  He didnt get
involved with Olds until the mid 60's.  He has never used a flow bench to
test his heads until recently when he won one in Chicago at a
manufactors/racing convention. He won it in 1995or 94.

As for Olds parts, Kennebell use to sell them, Dave Smith and of course
Batten Performance out of Romulus Michigan.  And Summit racing even carries
parts for Oldsmobiles.  So my advice is to check more than one source.
 Another Oldsmobile guru is a fella by the name of Vance Brady, he has raced
Oldsmobiles since the 50's and ran them into the mid 70's.   You can reach
him at 313 -928-7108, he does head work for all Oldsmobiles and engine work
when he is not too busy.  He owns a
1968 Hurst Olds presently and nows all the fine tricks of building Olds for
performance.  BTW he use to be WARREN JOHNSONS partner back in the late 60's
and early 70's.  And you know that WJ is one of the Rocket kings.

Thanks to all that read this

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30
12.47's@ 108.23MPH
with some help from BRADY

------------------------------

From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 00:05:40 -0300
Subject: Re: oldsmobile info

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:

>         The engine color is suppose to be bronze. Brothers Automotive sells
> the best match to the factory color. They have a web page. I don't have the
> info for it at this time.

http://thehost.com/Brothers

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:28:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Fw: Olds at Hot Rod Power Tour...

In a message dated 97-05-21 10:58:02 EDT, you write:

<< Hay Mark, let me know where you guys will be showing the cars next.
 Would like say hi.

 By the way, still looking for a 70 - 72 Cutlass or 442.

 John Richmond
 Warren, MI
 richmond@tir.com
  >>
John, send me your phone number and i will call you about the events we are
doing

Mark Prince

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:33:41 -0300
Subject: RE[was Re: Mondello s*cks](OLDS NATs)

In a message dated 97-05-25 23:50:23 EDT, you write:

<< Is anybody thinking about going to the Mondello Nats this year???? I went
in
 '94 and thought it was pretty good ....I was thinking about maybe heading
 out there again this year, its a long drive but its worth it seeing that I
 don't often get the chance to see staging lanes full of Oldsmobiles ..;-)

 ---------------------------- >>
I go have gone the last 6 years to Mondello and this will be his 8th Annual
event.  So everyone that is going please speak up, It is a great event, they
have swap, show and go.  So there is a little something for everyone
including lunch is on Mondello.  He roasts a pig every year to feed people
that come to his event..

W MACHINES

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:38:45 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

At 12:41 AM 5/26/97 -0300, you wrote:
>The extra fuel for that nitrous _ought_ to be coming from the spray bar, not
>the carb, though, wouldn't it? Though you might want to jet the carb a bit
>richer as a safety factor, the rich jetting should start with the nitrous
>fuel circuit alone.
>
>Anyway, the cam choice:
>
>>>.540/.540 252@.050 cam
>
>seemed a bit mild for an all-out race engine; Jim, what cam did your 493
>use? This sounded more like a street-strip motor, where 650cfm _over_ that
>Dominator Jim used would be a bit of overkill. Perhaps just 250cfm more with
>the dual 650 carbs would be sufficient? Jim, which dual-carb intake did you
>use with dual 850's?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>

Bob

        Yes I agree that the spray orifices are the starting point for fuel
enrichment. A little extra fuel from the carb wouldn't hurt. I've run
nitrous on one car and was glad to have a little too big of carb setup on
it. The dual 4 intake is a Offenhauser Tunnel Ram. It's the one that excepts
the single or dual top plate. I don't have it here to get a number off of
it. It also has been ported and matched to the heads. I wouldn't recommend
going wild with the jet sizes. Start with the out of the box settings and
make a run and check the spark plugs. This is still the best way to check
the mixture and distribution.  Yes I also think the cam is too mild. This
combo should have about a .600 lift and 250+ duration @ .050 lift. This
combo should put out about 600 hp, or darn close. Just as a reminder this
combo should see a max of 6200 RPM. USE a revlimiter.

Jim Chermack

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 01:52:40 -0300
Subject: Re: DMR and Mondello for Olds parts [was Re: Mondello s*cks]

At 12:44 AM 5/26/97 -0300, Steve B. wrote:

>Is anybody thinking about going to the Mondello Nats this year???? I went in
>'94 and thought it was pretty good ....I was thinking about maybe heading
>out there again this year, its a long drive but its worth it seeing that I
>don't often get the chance to see staging lanes full of Oldsmobiles ..;-)

Steve, I am going and possibly taking some cars and parts out to sell. I
will be driving my 80 442 W-30 out there.
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Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....looks like the resto will get done this year!

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:10:47 -0300
Subject: Connecting rod discussion


Resuming on the earlier discussions about rod length and compression, the
Summit Racing page goes into depth on the subject, exposing all the
interesting details.

http://www.summitracing.com/techart.htm

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:13:58 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> At 08:47 PM 5/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >A question for performance guys
> [snip of details of healthy motor]
> >Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
> >Dual quad tunnel ram
> >
> >  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
> >850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s
>
> Which tunnel-ram are you using? If it's a street tunnel-ram, then it likely
> has relatively small runners and wouldn't flow the 1700cfm of two 850's very
> well.

  The tunnel ram is an Offy.  Guy at Summit said race only. 3500-7000 I
think.
Summit says it's a one piece unit so I cant swap tops for a single quad
ram(I wont
know till it arives in the mail I guess). The Summit part number is
5705.

  As for the cam, I have the .540 252@.050 cam in the motor now.. I have
a mondello grind sitting on the work bench.. (like .572/.590
260/270@.050)  Was gonna try out the
motor with the milder cam then step up to the big cam when Edelbrock
gets the aluminum Olds heads finished if I need abit more thump(should I
even bother with the mild cam? Put in the big cam right off?)  With this
motor and 4.33 gears on the street the only place I'll be driving is to
the gas station so it'll be race only, with an ocasional jaunt to the
local street race spots to show them 5.0,bowtie, and mitsu boys what
it's all about.

Ken

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:18:55 -0300
Subject: Chris B. Witt

Has anybody heard from Chris Brown Witt lately? Last time I heard some
guy was trying to sue him.

  RS
'70 442 4-speed

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 02:30:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Chris B. Witt

At 02:18 AM 5/26/97 -0300, Richard Staley wrote:
>Has anybody heard from Chris Brown Witt lately? Last time I heard some
>guy was trying to sue him.

Yeah, where is Chris? I remember back when he was on the list and I looked
forward to his "misc" posts everyday ;-) Great guy and I got to meet him
last year about this time, got my 75 H/O parts car from him.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....looks like the resto will get done this year!

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From: Scott Barielle <barielle@newinfo.com>
Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 05:05:15 -0300
Subject: Usenet newsgroup ?

Is this list also available as a Usenet news group?

Thanks
Scott Barielle
barielle@newinfo.com
'70 442
'68 Delmont 88
(704) 553-1442

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