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oldsmobile-digest          Friday, 25 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 632

Re: Rearend gearing
1975 Select-A-Units For Sale (4/25)
Thanks!
12 sec. 68 H/O
Re: Darwin Awards (Nominee)
Re: Original Plates
Re: INTAKE PARTª'S
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
Re: Original Plates & Personalized
Re: 72 Toro 455 build up ?'s
Many Thanks! (was: 69 suspension)
Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars
Re: white smoke
Re[2]: Indy Pace Cars
Re: FW: NEW Darwin Award nomination (Non-Olds ~long)
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy
Re: Mondello's 493
Re: Rearend gearing
Re[2]: Rearend gearing
Re: I need help identifying a 455 block.
Re: Rearend gearing
Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars
Paint Chip chart URL?
Darwin Moratorium
Re: Original Plates
Re: FW: NEW Darwin Award nomination (Non-Olds ~long)
12 sec. 68 H/O
re: Rear End Gearing
Re:  Indy Pace Cars
Re: Darwin Awards (Nominee)
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
Re: Original Plates
Rodchester Qjet Float bowl
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: white smoke
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: '67 88 window gasket
Re: Mondello's 493
Re: Mondello's 493
Re: Paint Chip chart URL?
Re: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars
Re: Rodchester Qjet Float bowl
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
Re: white smoke
91 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Broken Top Lift
Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars
Re: '67 88 window gasket
Re: Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Broken Top  Lift
Broken '83-84 H/O airdam wanted.
Re: Rearend gearing
Darwin Stuff
Re: Broken '83-84 H/O airdam wanted.
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
Darwin Stuff
8-track Tip
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
Re[2]: Broken '83-84 H/O airdam wanted.
[none]

nothing in particular
Re: 68 wheel color???
64 F85 Exhaust

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:31:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Shang wrote:
>
> Steven LaCrosse wrote:
> >
> > Shang wrote:
> > >
> > > Steven LaCrosse wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a
69 > > > > 442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at 
>
> > > about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around >
> > > 3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that >
> > > is gaining much. > > > > > > I think you have a bit more than 3.55,
sounds more like 4.56 to me. I > > > would shoot for 3.23 - 3.42, if you go
into 3.08 or lower, you are going > > > to have a bog off line that you will
hate yourself for. > > > > > > Stephen Hoover > > > Dallas, Texas > > > '70
Cutlass "S" > > > > Steve, you realy think I might a 4:56? I put the car up on
the rack and > > spun the tire once to watch the drive shaft. It went around
about three > > and half times. > > However I can't figure why my rpm's are so
high. I would like to be able > > to cruise at about 65 mph around 2500 rpm.
Any ideas? > > Well that's odd, if the driveshaft went around approx 3.5
times, then it > must be 3.42 - 3.55. Your tach or speedo must be WAY off. I
would guess > the tach, because your speedo should be fast if you have lower
gears and > I would think that you would know if you were going much faster
than 65, > you should be able to judge that. What kind of tach do you have? If
its > an aftermarket, possibly set for a 4 or 6 cylinder? Does it sound like >
your motor is spinning that fast? At 4100, it should sound like its > about to
blow up. Either way to achieve 2500@65, shoot for 3.23's. > > Stephen Hoover >
Dallas, Texas > '70 Cutlass "S"

Steve, I think my tech is right on or real close.  And yes the motor
does sound like it is working to hard. The tech,sound of the motor and
the pickup all tell me I have a rearend in the high 3s or low 4s but
when I put it on the rack the drive shaft went around about three and
half times.   ????? you got me!

Steve LaCrosse
Canandaigua,NY

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:17:31 -0300
Subject: 1975 Select-A-Units For Sale (4/25)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

A set of 1975 Oldsmobile Select-A-Units.  These 4 page booklets were
intended to assist dealerships in the preparation of wholesale orders
for 1975 Oldsmobiles. Five booklets total.  They cover the Starfire S
and Starfire; Omega and Omega Salon; Cutlass, Cutlass S, Cutlass
Supreme, Cutlass Salon, C/S Cruiser and Vista Cruiser; Delta 88, Delta
88 Royale, and Custom Cruiser; Ninety-Eight and Toronado.  Each lists
model numbers and order codes with available interior and exterior color
combinations, standard drive train specifications, and a list of
available options listed by order codes and including content.  Printed
on very heavy glossy stock.  Very good condition except for the
Ninety-Eight and Toronado booklet, which has had one corner folded over
and is therefore creased.  $20.00, including shipping to any address in
North America.  (4/25/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: gcooke@equitable.ca
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:53:34 -0300
Subject: Thanks!

 Hi Folks,

Thanks for all your help on my 'smoking' problem on my NEW F-85.  It is
particularly helpful to an olds 'newbie' such as myself.   The tech info
explained simply was great.

General feeling seems to be that if replacing the motor isn't against the law,
it oughta  be.  As such, I'll have my shade tree mechanic look at it this
weekend, maybe get a complete rebuild.

Once again, thanks for all the help - deeply appreciated.

Glenn, Kitchener, Ontario 61 F-85

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:37:00 -0300
Subject: 12 sec. 68 H/O

I have to agree w/ Scott. No way are you gonna turn a 12 second time w/ bias
ply F-70 series tires. Sorry. I don't care who said they did it. No way. I
have too many years experience drag racing and know better.
..As I put my flame suit on...
I am surprised any of you guys actually believe this. I figured you knew
better<grin>



=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:08:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Darwin Awards (Nominee)

I know how you guys love the Darwin awards, so I thought, not having one of
these in a week or two, that you all should enjoy another, this time only a
Nominee; as Larry Waters in his flying lawn chair aced this contender out.
P.S. I came from my ex-across the street neighbor, that doesn't believe that
diesel engines can be constructed to run backwards.

The Wiz



> Subject:  Another Darwinian Nominee
>
>There are many transmission lines that crisscross Connecticut.
>
>These are held up by Transmission Towers of various constructions.   Those
>most commonly installed near urban areas are called "metal Ornamental
>Towers" (supposedly prettier than wood towers).
>
>Sometimes adventurous folks climb the towers in order to enjoy the  view and
>the night air.  Most stay away from the wires, and when they get bored, come
>back down.
>
>Apparently, a man who was forlorn after a recent spat with his girlfriend
>needed some fresh air to clear his head and decided to climb a tower.  He
>stopped for a 6 pack to help clear his thoughts, went to a tower south of
>Hartford, next to I-91, and climbed it.
>
>Public Service employees later pieced the story together. The man sat there
>60 feet above the highway, drank his beer and consoled his bruised ego.
>After 5 beers, he needed to do what people often need to do after 5 beers.
>It being such a long hike down, he unzipped and did his business right there
>off the tower.
>
>Electricity is a funny thing.  One doesn't need to touch a wire in order to
>get shocked.  Depending on conditions, 115,000 volt lines, like those
>supported by the tower, could shock a person as far away as 6 feet.
>
>When the man "whizzed" near the conductor (wire), the power arced to his
>"stream" (urine is an excellent conductor of electricity),  traveled up to
>his private parts, and blew him off the tower.
>
>The guys at the power company noted a momentary outage on this line and sent
>repairmen to see if there was any damage.  When they got to the scene of the
>accident, they found a very dead person, his fly down, what was left of his
>private parts smoking, and a single beer left on top of the tower.
>
>
>

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:12:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

At 11:45 PM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>any one else reading list and just not talking?
>any one want to help with my car problem?
>
>
Post 'em & look out.

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:16:25 -0300
Subject: Re: INTAKE PARTª'S

At 01:00 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-04-24 00:17:41 EDT, you write:
>
><< OK, so what kind of file is this? Is there any way of getting an ASCII
>file
> of this? Or perhaps something in 123 format?
> _______________________________________________________ >>
>its Microsoft excell for IBM compat computors,
>
>
I looked at that file, and it was an .xls (Excel) file.  I don't care much
for MS anything, so I use Lotus 123 to read it.  It had good intake manifold
data, but was not very well done on a columnar basis.

I converted it to .wk3 (123) if anyone wants it that way, I will privately
E-Mail it as an attachment.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:18:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

At 01:12 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Good heavens Clayton - don't ask me!! On a related thread, I had to call
>the guy I bought Shamu the Toronado from (its gray and looks like a damn
>whale), and he says "Interested in another?" and I said 'another what?" and
>he says there is a Toro sitting in a backyard not far from him & he'll go
>see if the guy would sell it cheap for me.  Oh yeah right - I can see my
>other halfs face now.........by the by its another '66 and I told him if
>its cheap I'll probably do it (for parts, yeah, right).
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
>, '72 Vista Cruiser project
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
>
Wouldn't Shamu be black & white, and not grey?

Anon. I

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:20:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates & Personalized

At 02:41 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>>
>>BTW, pesonalized plates cost only $10 extra the last time I checked.
>>Needless to say, you can't get a plate to say anything intelligible anymore
>>because everything good is taken.  Just reccently I tried to get YELOSUB but
>>that was taken and even YEL SUB was taken.  I couldn't get anything even
>>close to yellow submarine that made sense so I just opted for some black
>>vintage tags.  A friend of mine out of desperation got MOK N 6 which is
>>supposed to mean "mark(martin) in six" but he has to explain it to everyone
>>so it's kinda pointless.  (The funniest plate i've ever seen, BTW, was
>>TIH2-HO.  You will have to look at your monitor in a mirror to get that one.
>>:) )
>
>I've always been tempted to try TIHZ-TA3, but never had the nerve :)  The
>offensive one I've really wanted to see done is FU Q2  (sorry if anyone's
>offended here!) I just don't think they'd get ~that~ one!
>
>             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
>             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
>             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
>                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
>
>
>
I saw "QQQQ" on a Corvette one day.  I wondered how they got it by DMV which
isn't supposed to allow it.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:25:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Toro 455 build up ?'s

At 07:29 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 11:13 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I am thinking of taking the 455 out of the 72 Toro I have setting in our
>>salvage yard to build up to put into a 72 Cutlass Supreme 350/4bbl. Now can
>>this block be built up for fairly cheap? Can I use the 350's factory dual
>
>What shape is the shortblock now? If the cylinders aren't scored and there's
>not a huge ridge at the top of the cylinders, check the bearings and use it
>as-is (there's cheap for ya!).


This is either 'too cheap' and/or not good advice.  At the very least remove
the ridge, and hone the bores so that your new rings have a place to seat.


>>exhaust manifolds on the 455? I am looking at getting around 300-350 rear
>>wheel horsepower. I do not have the funds to get expensive parts, I am
>>looking at the el cheapo route for now. What kind of cost are we looking at
>>to get the 72 block built to 70-72 W-30 factory specs? Is that possible? Or
>
>Of course it's possible; all you really need is new pistons and a new cam
>(in fact, that Toro's oiling system is superior to the W-30's)
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
>

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:28:03 -0300
Subject: Many Thanks! (was: 69 suspension)

From: Michael Baugher on 04/25/97 08:28 AM

Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for advice regarding
  the status of my front suspension.  I appreciate everyone taking time
  to offer their suggestions.

   You're a great group!  May all your Olds' run like....well...OLDS'!!

   Thanks again

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:30:55 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars

"3)  What precident does this year's pace car make in the selection of
         past pace cars?"

The Olds Aurora scheduled to pace the Race is front-wheel driven.

   Jim Townsend


          Nice try, but the Buick Riv, Caddy Alante, and even the 85
          Olds Calais 500 pace cars were FWD.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:43:16 -0300
Subject: Re: white smoke

At 01:49 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I also had the white smoke problem with my 72 88 and it also was the
>transmission fluid as Dan explained.  Check this out, a lot less expensive
>than rings or an engine swap.

And amazingly easy to find.  When I needed the vacuum modulator for my '64,
I was surprised to find that the local NAPA had new ones on the shelf.  It
turned out that that the same modulator was used on lots of GM cars through
1977, so it was (and I'm sure is) still readily available.


Dan


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:28:01 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Indy Pace Cars

Our (College's) '88 Pace Car Convert didn't have the Quad 4 (I'm guessing
replica)

          Yep, that was my point, Charlie.  The replicas didn't have
          the Quad 4 which was installed in the hand-built pace cars.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:44:39 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: NEW Darwin Award nomination (Non-Olds ~long)

Oldoldsguy Spits Out:

> Denney.J.Keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov (Denney J Keys)----I am finally starting to
> understand how NASA can put up a 60 million dollar mission only to bring it
> home hours later.  Do you work half as hard at NASA with your GOVERNMENT
> OWNED COMPUTER as you do on this OLDSMOBILE newsgroup?  Why don't you go
> fetch and try us again from home after your next successful mission?

Hey, Old^2 dude, lighten up.  How d'you know he didn't submit this during...
his lunch break?

Do you work half as hard making assumptions about ppl. and typing them here,
as maybe talking about OLDS's??



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 04:56:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> On a related thread, I had to call
> the guy I bought Shamu the Toronado from (its gray and looks like a damn
> whale), and he says "Interested in another?" and I said 'another what?" and
> he says there is a Toro sitting in a backyard not far from him & he'll go
> see if the guy would sell it cheap for me.  Oh yeah right - I can see my
> other halfs face now.........by the by its another '66 and I told him if
> its cheap I'll probably do it (for parts, yeah, right).
>
> Lisa Madsen

Lisa,

All of you are hopeless.  Have I told the story of how I came to have a
barn full of 20 old cars?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:10:16 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy

OL>"3)  What precident does this year's pace car make in the selection of
OL>         past pace cars?"

4 doors

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:13:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello's 493

OL>        I've built and ran one of these before. They are very potent
OL>engines.
OL>Jim Chermack

What did it run? How was the car set up?

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:23:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

OL>At 03:16 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
OL>>Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
OL>>442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
OL>>about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
OL>>3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
OL>>is gaining much.
168* mph* gear/ rpm
168 * 65 * 3.55 / 4100 =9.45 tire radius   pretty short tire?

tire radius * rpm / 168 / mph = gear ratio

Could it be your tranny is slipping or clutch if so equipped

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:33:05 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Rearend gearing

Steve,
You could put larger diameter tires on the rear to effectively lower the
gear ratio. There are auto programs on the web (eg. Bowling site) to
calculate what the final ratio would be. Are there smaller than stock
diameter tires on the car? That would raise the gear ratio. Just an idea.

You might try rotating the tire 10 times, then divide the number of drive
shaft turns by 10 to get a better idea of the diff ratio. You are probably
not off by much now, but FWIW.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
Steve, I think my tech is right on or real close.  And yes the motor
does sound like it is working to hard. The tech,sound of the motor and
the pickup all tell me I have a rearend in the high 3s or low 4s but
when I put it on the rack the drive shaft went around about three and
half times.   ????? you got me!

Steve LaCrosse
Canandaigua,NY

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:40:52 -0300
Subject: Re: I need help identifying a 455 block.

OL>At 09:23 PM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
OL>>OL>I'm sorry to say that removing engine IDª's is usually the work of a
thi OL>>OL>or charlatan. OL>> OL>>OL>Ray OL>>OL>70 Cutlass Conv. OL>> OL>>
OL>>GM Replacement block? OL>> OL>>Daren OL>> OL>>O.C.A. ª23571
OL>>daren@qconline.com OL>>

OL>I am under the impression that a GM replacemet block will have casting
OL>numbers on it, and I got the idea from the original post that the block
OL>didn't have any identification ª's.

OL>Ray
OL>70 Cutlass Conv.

I didn't receive the original post. The block should have some kind of
casting number, not necessarily the correct casting number for the car.
The only way to have the correct id number would be if the person
replacing the block stamped the number into the block.Isn't the id
number part of the cars vin number? Isn't the casting number for telling
when the block was made the displacement and it's intended use?

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 05:33:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Steven LaCrosse wrote:
>

>
> Thanks Bill, But do you think it's worth the time to switch to a 3:31
> from a what I think is a 3:55?? It will be a even trade, however it's a
> four drive round trip to get it switched. Thanks Steve

Steve,

I probably wouldn't go to the trouble of all the work of exchange,
making sure that your brakes work properly, & taking the chance that
this is actually a good rear.  I might do it for a 3.23, but it still
would be a close call.

If you consider it, drive the car w/the 3/31 in it & make certain that
it is quiet & actually a posi. Drive the car at speed w/the windows up.
A howling is a sound that you don't want to hear.  Turning a corner
shouldn't cause a clicking sound.

Jack up the car & see if one rear wheel can be turned by hand causing
the other to turn in the same direction.  If it turns in the reverse of
the other it isn't posi.

There is lots of manual labor in this exchange.  It isn't hard though.
I still wonder at your tach.  At 4100 cruising the engine should sound
like it is coming into the car.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:47:13 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars

FWD was the first thing I though of also. But '85 and '88 sported FWD pace
cars.

The same "basic" engine powering the pace car powers is used in the race
cars (Aurora V-8).

Chevy pickups will be the support vehicles.

There was a blurb in Chevy Craft about the trucks not being GMC's, like in
past years where an Olds paced the race. Seems GMC's go with Pontiac now.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
"4)  Does anyone know what this year's support vehicles (trucks) are
         suppose to be?  (This one I don't know the answer to)."

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:08:22 -0300
Subject: Paint Chip chart URL?

A while back someone mentioned that they had scanned in a paint chip
chart from '70 or '71 and put it up on a web page. Unfortunately I didn't
bookmark it and now I can't find it. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:10:25 -0300
Subject: Darwin Moratorium

As much fun as they may be, I'd like to ask everyone to stop the posting
of these "Darwin Award" stories. They are sometimes mythological instead
of true, tend to take up some bandwidth, and have a nasty habit of coming
back every couple of weeks. Let's just all give it a rest, OK? :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:13:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

> so it's kinda pointless.  (The funniest plate i've ever seen, BTW, was
> TIH2-HO.  You will have to look at your monitor in a mirror to get that one.
> :) )
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
>
there was one on a n*va in Havre that read  TI 3VOM   also a mirror tag

Dustin

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:18:10 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: NEW Darwin Award nomination (Non-Olds ~long)

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Denney J Keys wrote:

> >I felt pretty sorry for the dog myself.
>
at least he wont have to deal with an owner that is stupider than him
anymore!

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 11:47:12 -0300
Subject: 12 sec. 68 H/O

OL>I have to agree w/ Scott. No way are you gonna turn a 12 second time w/
bias OL>ply F-70 series tires. Sorry. I don't care who said they did it. No
way. I OL>have too many years experience drag racing and know better. OL>..As
I put my flame suit on... OL>I am surprised any of you guys actually believe
this. I figured you knew OL>better<grin>



OL>===========================================================================
= OL>FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red
sedan.. OL>        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver) OL>        65 El
Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show ca OL>        95
Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car) OL>        95 Dodge Ram
2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
OL>===========================================================================
=

The one I saw at the strip didn't have the origanal type or size tire.
So I guess that means it wasn't "stock". And it is possible that the
motor had some work done on it even though it looked original.

What does the Ciera run in the 1320?

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:51:28 -0300
Subject: re: Rear End Gearing

I just played with the formula online and I come up with

4003 rpm with 5.13 = 65 mph
2770 rpm with 3.55 = 65 mph
4100 rpm with 3.55 = 96 mph

That makes me feel better!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:24:47 -0300
Subject: Re:  Indy Pace Cars

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 JPADA@Orbital.COM wrote:

>
>      4)  Does anyone know what this year's support vehicles (trucks) are
>          suppose to be?  (This one I don't know the answer to).
>
>           I'm guessing GMCs.
>

I wish olds and GMC would have gotten together   I loved my '83 GMC but I
just couldnt handle changing out those ch*vy 350s every couple months

Dustin

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:46:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Darwin Awards (Nominee)

On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, C.R.F. wrote:
> >
> >When the man "whizzed" near the conductor (wire), the power arced to his
> >"stream" (urine is an excellent conductor of electricity),  traveled up to
> >his private parts, and blew him off the tower.

anybody remember the Ren & Stimpy with the game "dont whizz on the
electric fence" ?    it was one of the best

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:54:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:

> All of you are hopeless.  Have I told the story of how I came to have a
> barn full of 20 old cars?

  20 I'm jealous are all these projects or are some parts?

I am gaining.... found a '83 cutlass supreme with T-tops
yesterday....think its going to be my next addition   it will bring me up
to about 12 (maybe more)

I'm going to go look at the car again next week and will post results

I think its been over 2 months since my last purchas so I'm due ;)

later
     Dustin

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:46:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

In a message dated 97-04-25 02:52:42 EDT, you write:

<< any one else reading list and just not talking?
 any one want to help with my car problem?
  >>

What problem is that?  (Sorry, the ESP's not working too good these days  :)
...)

Chris Ruper

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From: Joe Goodart <Joe_Goodart@dell.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 13:46:00 -0300
Subject: Rodchester Qjet Float bowl

     Hi,
     Does anyone know what to do about My Rodchester 4Bl carb. The problem
     I have is the Gas disappears out of the float bowl after a day or so.
     It's worse in the summer.  Then the Car an 82'98 can take some
     cranking to get it to start. Do I need a new Float bowl ? Or is there
     an better answer. Thanks for your help.

     Joe Goodart

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 00:43:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Daren@qconline.com wrote:
>
> OL>At 03:16 AM 4/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
> OL>>Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
> OL>>442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
> OL>>about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
> OL>>3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
> OL>>is gaining much.
> 168* mph* gear/ rpm
> 168 * 65 * 3.55 / 4100 =9.45 tire radius   pretty short tire?
>
> tire radius * rpm / 168 / mph = gear ratio
>
> Could it be your tranny is slipping or clutch if so equipped
>
> Daren
>
> O.C.A. ª23571
> daren@qconline.com

Daren, Thanks for the note. Everything is in good working order and the
tires are a little larger then stock. I know.... it sounds crazy.

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:04:28 -0300
Subject: Re: white smoke

I have the same problem with my 70 cutlass supreme. However, its a head
problem.

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 00:45:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

David Brown wrote:
>
> Steve,
> You could put larger diameter tires on the rear to effectively lower the
> gear ratio. There are auto programs on the web (eg. Bowling site) to
> calculate what the final ratio would be. Are there smaller than stock
> diameter tires on the car? That would raise the gear ratio. Just an idea.
>
> You might try rotating the tire 10 times, then divide the number of drive
> shaft turns by 10 to get a better idea of the diff ratio. You are probably
> not off by much now, but FWIW.
>
> David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
>
> Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
> http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
> http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm
>
> Get the zip file for local viewing from:
> ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
>
> ------------
> Steve, I think my tech is right on or real close.  And yes the motor
> does sound like it is working to hard. The tech,sound of the motor and
> the pickup all tell me I have a rearend in the high 3s or low 4s but
> when I put it on the rack the drive shaft went around about three and
> half times.   ????? you got me!
>
> Steve LaCrosse
> Canandaigua,NY

Thanks Dave, I'll give it a try.

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From: Nathan Fonder <nfonder@atl.mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:38:33 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 88 window gasket

At 04:32 PM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 02:43 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Two days ago, I bought a convertible 1967 Delta 88 with a 455 Super Rocket.
>>When it rains and I turn a corner, water seeps in along the windshield.  I
>>have access to a window gasket for a 1967 442 and a 1967 Cutlass.  Will this
>>fit the Delta?
>
>The Delta is wider, so if the Cutlass gasket fit at all, it wouldn't fit
>very well (i.e. you'd have more leaks).
>
>Congratulations on the purchase, in any case! BTW, what happened to the
>original 425? Which year is your 455 from? (they didn't start making them
>until 1968)
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
Thanks for your help.  I am really enjoying the Olds.  In response to your
question regarding the 455, I called my insurance company.  After giving
them the serial number, the isurance man informed me that the original
engine is indeed a 455 Super Rocket.  Perhaps they are wrong.  I am about to
visit the gentleman who sold me the Delta.  I'll ask him if that is correct.
Before buying the car, he told me the engine was the orginal.  Once again,
thank you for your comments.

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From: Paul Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:40:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello's 493

>From oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca Fri Apr 25 09:45:42 1997
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10:13:06 -0300 >Subject: Re: Mondello's 493 >Message-Id:
<97Apr25.111543adt.37283(3)@chebucto.ns.ca> >Sender:
oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca > > > >OL>        I've built and ran one of these
before. They are very potent >OL>engines. >OL>Jim Chermack > >What did it run?
How was the car set up? > >Daren > >O.C.A. ª23571 >daren@qconline.com > > > >
Is this motor a high maintenance motor???





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From: Paul Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:44:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello's 493

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Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu> >Message-Id:
<199704242108.QAA05226@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> >Subject: Mondello's 493 >To:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca >Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 18:08:27 -0300 >In-Reply-To:
<199704241914.OAA20639@eeyore.cc.uic.edu> from "Paul Brillhart" at Apr 24, 97
04:14:26 pm >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] >Content-Type: text
>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca > >I am currently working on restoring  a '77
Cutlass and I was wondering >if anybody has heard about Joe Mondello's 493
stroker motor?  I am just >curious of how this motor will hold up in the long
run.  It will be used >primarily for a cruising car with a occasional visit
to the local drag >strip.  I just want the motor to be relatively reliable,
so I don't have >to work on it more than I drive it..........any input on
this motor will >help.......thanks, Paul > > > > > >

How hard is it to build this motor??  I was just wondering because my dad
works with a guy that builds 10 -15 motors a year for guys around the
area that race dirt track and stock cars.  I would think he would be able
to build one of these........




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Senior in Civil Engineering with emphasis in Transportation/Municipal
I am from Green Bay, Wisconsin.....graduated from GB Southwest in 1990
I also have another e-mail account....satan@watt.cae.uwm.edu
"FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, WE SOLUTE YOU"

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:45:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Paint Chip chart URL?

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> A while back someone mentioned that they had scanned in a paint chip
> chart from '70 or '71 and put it up on a web page. Unfortunately I didn't
> bookmark it and now I can't find it. Can anyone refresh my memory? Thanks!
>
> Greg Beaulieu

Greg,

Sparky had mentioned trying it but not being able to get the color
right.  I scanned a Lincoln chart that I had & sent it to him.  He
seemed to think that this scan was acceptable.  We never got any farther
with the project.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS. Sparky may have another version of the truth.  He usually does.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:50:44 -0300
Subject: Re: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars

David Brown wrote:
>
> FWD was the first thing I though of also. But '85 and '88 sported FWD pace
> cars.

Well, it isn't 4-doors as Chrysler paced the Indianapolis 500 about 1941
w/a beautiful show car 4-door convertible phaeton.  Possibly it is a
4-door sedan.


> David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 08:57:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Rodchester Qjet Float bowl

Joe Goodart wrote:
>
>      Hi,
>      Does anyone know what to do about My Rodchester 4Bl carb. The problem
>      I have is the Gas disappears out of the float bowl after a day or so.
>      It's worse in the summer.  Then the Car an 82'98 can take some
>      cranking to get it to start. Do I need a new Float bowl ? Or is there
>      an better answer. Thanks for your help.
>
>      Joe Goodart

Joe,

It may be the the well plugs in the bowl of the Q-Jet.  The FAQ of both
Oldsmobile & Toronado discuss this & some solutions.  Using JB Weld on
them is as good an answer as I've ever used.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:02:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

Dustin Cross wrote:
>
> On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> > All of you are hopeless.  Have I told the story of how I came to have a
> > barn full of 20 old cars?
>
>   20 I'm jealous are all these projects or are some parts?
>
> I am gaining.... found a '83 cutlass supreme with T-tops
> yesterday....think its going to be my next addition   it will bring me up
> to about 12 (maybe more)
>
> I'm going to go look at the car again next week and will post results
>
> I think its been over 2 months since my last purchas so I'm due ;)
>
> later
>      Dustin

Dustin,

Well, there's another one.  You are all crazy.  I had hoped to develope
some balance to my life by associating w/some sensible people.  Did I
get on the wrong list?

There really are 20.  They all work to at least some extent.  I really
only keep them around so that I have an excuse for not mowing the lawn.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 09:04:25 -0300
Subject: Re: white smoke

Yorcoy@aol.com wrote:
>
> I have the same problem with my 70 cutlass supreme. However, its a head
> problem.

My ex-wife used to (and still does) claim the same thing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: lenglish@atlanta.nsc.com (Larry English)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 15:59:22 -0300
Subject: 91 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Broken Top Lift

hi,

i'm posting this for a friend to you olds experts.

he has a 91 cutlass supreme convertible.

recently the top lifting mechanism broke, while he was closing the top.

he says the motor went normally for about 2 seconds then quit.

no smoke or burning smells.

then he went to see what the problem was.

part of the top frame had broken in two.

he has had some people look at it, and apparently the broken piece is the
right side rail assembly, or part of it.

he says they can replace the broken piece [$350] or the whole right
side assembly [$1400]. then the labor would be 4-600.

the trouble with the cheap option is that the rest of the assembly might
be bent and he would need the whole thing.

and they also say that the other side might be bent, and the motor might
be burned out, can;t tell till they get in.

and the top probably wouldn;t fit back, because it is old, so it might
need a new top, for another $1000.

a couple people said more or less the same thing.

so he is pretty discouraged.

is there any advice on fixing or diagnosing what is really wrong, that
can be done by a reasonably mecahnically competent person [me]?

does the advice he has gotten so far sound reasonable?

what is this car worth anyway? [it has 90000 or so miles, good shape other
than chronic top problems, factory stock red, no rust, lived in southern
usa (georgia) for its whole life so far.]

apparently they were rare, but does that mean anyone wants one?

the tops seem particularly problematic, he says they are not factory tops,
but were added/converted to stock supremes by another company that has
now gone out of business, and apparently did not do the best engineering
or manufacturing.

comments, advice, suggestions, sympathy, offers to buy..?..,

thx a lot,
wle.
lenglish@atlanta.nsc.com

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:19:22 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars

          Ooh!  Ooh!  I'll bet the Aurora will be the first Indy pace
          car which is _not_ an open car!!!!

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-3

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 16:55:27 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 88 window gasket

At 01:38 PM 4/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Two days ago, I bought a convertible 1967 Delta 88 with a 455 Super Rocket.
[snip]
>question regarding the 455, I called my insurance company.  After giving
>them the serial number, the isurance man informed me that the original
>engine is indeed a 455 Super Rocket.  Perhaps they are wrong.  I am about to
>visit the gentleman who sold me the Delta.  I'll ask him if that is correct.
>Before buying the car, he told me the engine was the orginal.  Once again,
>thank you for your comments.

Well, the serial number won't tell you what engine you've got. It *could* be
a very late production '67, and an early-arrival 455 was slipped in when the
425's ran out, but it's more likely a typo in their book (what do they care
whether it says 425 or 455? they get to charge you what they want anyway,
right? ;).

BTW, "Super Rocket" would simply refer to the high-compression Oldsmobile
engine, common to all those cars in 4-bbl form. So to advertise or call
something and Oldsmobile 350 "Rocket" engine is as redundant as saying you
own a 1967 Delta 88 "automobile"; there isn't an Olds 350 that isn't a
"Rocket", and there isn't a 1967 Delta 88 that isn't an automobile. It's
still interesting to see someone advertise or brag that their Olds motor is
a "Rocket" motor; yes, it sounds nice and is a source of pride, but it
doesn't really mean anything particularly special about *that* motor.
[soapbox mode off...]

The way to verify your engine would be to check the casting number of the
block, which is found on the shelf behind the water pump, in front of the
intake manifold. It is probably covered with thirty years of oil and crud,
but you should be able to make out some rather large letters and numbers
there. In addition, your heads should have a large "C" cast in them, to the
lower-left of the ª1 sparkplug.

Whatever it's got, it's a big-block convertible Olds; what could be better?
(aside from a Toro, of course... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 17:10:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Broken Top  Lift

I have worked on a couple of these type of tops in a couple of Sunbirds.
They were not engineered to be repaired.  They were designed to be an
easy installation for the company that did the conversion. ASC was the
name, I think.  Unfortunately this mess was used on many makes and
models and has kept me from buying a late model convertible.  The prices
sound high in the original post when you think of repairing traditional
convertibles made by the factory in the 50s and 60s.  These new ones are
scabbed on a former hard top and are a bear to work with.  No tack rail
under the body, the top is attached directly to the body where the roof
was torched off.  The ones I worked on did not even have paint on the
metal where it had been cut.  They may have used a plasma cutter.  The
trim covering the bottom edge of the top was riveted on with pins that
were cast into the trim.  They are only good for one use.  Luckily the
ones I worked on were for a car lot and I didn't have to re-attach them
real good.  A hidden screw at each end of the trim kept everything in
place.  If it had been for a private customer or myself I would have
found something else to replace the trim.  Needless to say all of this
half *ssed top and mechanism will be expensive to repair.  Tell your
friend to pay the money and have it done right.  The cheap way may cost
him more in the long run.

Good Luck,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:15:03 -0300
Subject: Broken '83-84 H/O airdam wanted.

     Here's an odd request.  Has anyone got a piece of broken airdam off of
     an '83-84 H/O?  I only need about a 1 foot section, and I don't care
     what shape it's in.

     The insurance company is buying me a replacement, but at the price
     they're paying for it I figure I should try to fix my broken one, just
     in case.  The only plastic welding guy in town said he could fix it if
     he had the right welding rod.  He tried a few types and they didn't
     bond.  It's an odd type of plastic that he says he could probably fix
     if he had some scrap of the exact same material to make some plastic
     welding rod out of.

     Thanks!

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 1997 04:51:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Steven LaCrosse wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > Thanks Bill, But do you think it's worth the time to switch to a 3:31
> > from a what I think is a 3:55?? It will be a even trade, however it's a
> > four drive round trip to get it switched. Thanks Steve
>
> Steve,
>
> I probably wouldn't go to the trouble of all the work of exchange,
> making sure that your brakes work properly, & taking the chance that
> this is actually a good rear.  I might do it for a 3.23, but it still
> would be a close call.
>
> If you consider it, drive the car w/the 3/31 in it & make certain that
> it is quiet & actually a posi. Drive the car at speed w/the windows up.
> A howling is a sound that you don't want to hear.  Turning a corner
> shouldn't cause a clicking sound.
>
> Jack up the car & see if one rear wheel can be turned by hand causing
> the other to turn in the same direction.  If it turns in the reverse of
> the other it isn't posi.
>
> There is lots of manual labor in this exchange.  It isn't hard though.
> I still wonder at your tach.  At 4100 cruising the engine should sound
> like it is coming into the car.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Bill, IT DOES!!    Steve

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:23:13 -0300
Subject: Darwin Stuff

Regarding Greg's protestation at the posting of the Darwin Awards stuff,
rather than have somebody post it on the Olds list, you may want to
consider joining the humor mailing list that it was recently sent out on.
If you want to join this list, send a s*bscribe (that's a "u"... hello
majord*mo) to the address oracle-list-subscribe@synapse.net  This "Oracle"
mailing list, I've found to be quite good... and I even get to read the
Darwin Awards stuff before it makes it to the Olds list :-)

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:27:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Broken '83-84 H/O airdam wanted.

Hey Tom...
Whas' up?

I would think that the plastic that they used in making the H/O airdam
would be the same plastic they used (if not the same color) on the regular
Cutlasses (Cutlii?).  I wouldn't think that Olds (or Hurst performance for
that matter) would go to the trouble and expense of redesigning the airdam
and using a different type of plastic just for the H/O models.  I may be
wrong, but I think that it is certainly worth checking out for you... I'd
say that you shouldn't have too much trouble finding part of an airdam
from a wounded Cutlass at your local junk (oops, salvage) yard.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
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On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Tom Lentz wrote:

>
>      Here's an odd request.  Has anyone got a piece of broken airdam off of
>      an '83-84 H/O?  I only need about a 1 foot section, and I don't care
>      what shape it's in.
>
>      The insurance company is buying me a replacement, but at the price
>      they're paying for it I figure I should try to fix my broken one, just
>      in case.  The only plastic welding guy in town said he could fix it if
>      he had the right welding rod.  He tried a few types and they didn't
>      bond.  It's an odd type of plastic that he says he could probably fix
>      if he had some scrap of the exact same material to make some plastic
>      welding rod out of.
>
>      Thanks!
>
>      Tom Lentz
>      tlentz@teknon.com
>
>

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:31:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

> There really are 20.  They all work to at least some extent.  I really
> only keep them around so that I have an excuse for not mowing the lawn.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama


Sh*t Bill, I've seen pictures of your Toro and Jetfire, I wouldn't exactly
call them "yard ornaments" they are _BEAUTIFUL_ !!!

PS.  I'll trade you a really nice '76 model riding lawnmower for that AMX
you've got... :-)  :-)

In fact, if you throw in the Studebaker, I'll drive down there once every
three weeks and _MOW YOUR LAWN FOR YOU_  :-)  :-)

Peace...
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:43:05 -0300
Subject: Darwin Stuff

Despite Clayton's best efforts, he couldn't fool the old Major Domo...
forwarding it on his behalf.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:27:28 -0300
From:Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>

Regarding Greg's protestation at the posting of the Darwin Awards stuff,
rather than have somebody post it on the Olds list, you may want to
consider joining the humor mailing list that it was recently sent out on.
If you want to join this list, send a s*bscribe (that's a "u"... hello
majord*mo) to the address oracle-list-subscribe@synapse.net  This "Oracle"
mailing list, I've found to be quite good... and I even get to read the
Darwin Awards stuff before it makes it to the Olds list :-)

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:55:20 -0300
Subject: 8-track Tip

My 8-track player has worked great since I put it in, until last weekend.
All of a sudden it started playing at about twice normal speed. Thought I
had a Chipmunks tape in there. All tapes showed the same problem, so I
had to pull the player out of the car and try to fix it. Turned out there
is a nylon adjusting screw inside the thing on the capstan flywheel that
acts as a brake of sorts presumably to fine-adjust tape speed. I tightened
it up and to my shocked surprise it was back to normal again when I
hooked it up. I was proud of myself... :)

I was also able to discover that the case on this thing (not the exterior
plastic shell but the metal case itself) is a good source of rattles.
Several had taken up residence under the dash after I installed it and I
assumed they were from all of the additional wires flopping around under
there. Once I figured it was the case, a few small strips of duct tape on
the edges sent them packing. I love it when I can do little things like
that and solve a problem that was driving me nuts.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:55:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

On Fri, 25 Apr 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:

> > > All of you are hopeless.  Have I told the story of how I came to have a
> > > barn full of 20 old cars?
>
> There really are 20.  They all work to at least some extent.  I really
> only keep them around so that I have an excuse for not mowing the lawn.
>

OK now I'm confused you have 20 cars in your barn in which you have a
lawn?

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 12:00:00 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Broken '83-84 H/O airdam wanted.

     Nope, I don't think it's the same material as anything else on the
     car.  The hurst still has the regular cutlass airdam underneath the
     radiator, and it's not the same material.  Neither is the header panel
     or any of the trim pieces around there.  I was thinking that maybe a
     similar GM car that *did* have an airdam might be the same material,
     like a Monte SS or a Buick Regal.  It's really rubbery stuff, probably
     some sort of vinyl.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Broken '83-84 H/O airdam
wanted. Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/25/97 2:52
PM

I would think that the plastic that they used in making the H/O airdam
would be the same plastic they used (if not the same color) on the regular
Cutlasses (Cutlii?).  I wouldn't think that Olds (or Hurst performance for
that matter) would go to the trouble and expense of redesigning the airdam
and using a different type of plastic just for the H/O models.  I may be
wrong, but I think that it is certainly worth checking out for you... I'd
say that you shouldn't have too much trouble finding part of an airdam
from a wounded Cutlass at your local junk (oops, salvage) yard.


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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:12:45 -0300
Subject: [none]

the other day someone was looking for some emblems for a Dynamic 88
I spotted some in a 'yard the other day 1 on a '64 (?)  and two on a '66 (?)
all were in pretty good shape   I dont know a price but if they will work I'll
check on it

later
     Dustin

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From: Joe Goodart <Joe_Goodart@dell.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:15:00 -0300
Subject:

     subscribe Oldsmobile-digest

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:45:52 -0300
Subject: nothing in particular

It's such a nice feeling to drive through downtown Chicago on my way home
from work, top down, looking at all the yuppies in their little Japanese
s***boxes craining to look at an old, gaz-guzzlin', crome blazing, tire
spinning 310 horsepower Detroit monster.

Duane
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible, which finally made it out of the garage
today.

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:48:02 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 wheel color???

I saw some of those wheels on a Delta 88 last summer, and didn't know what
they were until now.  As I recall, they were indeed gray, but I am not sure
if it is the same gray as the SSIIs.

Duane
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible

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From: "Robert Nevins" <nevinsr@voyager.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:46:50 -0300
Subject: 64 F85 Exhaust

I'm looking for a little advise.  I have a '64 F85 Cutlass.  All original.
My exhaust is getting to the point where it needs to be replaced.  I think
I would like to go with duals instead of the original single exhaust.  I'm
no expert on exhaust systems or engines so any and all advised would
appreciated. Some of the questions I have are:
1.  Dual exhaust vs single exhaust (benefits/negatives)
2.  What size of pipe is best?
3.  What mufflers are recommended?
4.  How much should I expect to spend?
Thanks
Robb Nevins
1964 F-85 Cutlass 2 door Sport Coupe

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