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oldsmobile-digest          Monday, 21 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 624

Re: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage
Re: The Carburetor Shop Address
Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)
Re: Clock...
Re: The Carburetor Shop Address
RE: Mileage
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...
'72 Vista Cruiser
Olds on the net
Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...
Re: Diff gears rationale
Car Show and Swap Meet this Weekend in SE Wisconsin
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: Diff gears rationale
1956 Olds Super 88
Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~
Re: 1956 Olds Super 88
[none]
Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~
Non-Olds: Hideous Cars at Carlisle
Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~
Non-Olds: '62 Buick LeSabre
Non-Olds: Last one, I promise!
Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Interchangable Parts
Re: Electrical connector catalog
Differential Interchange
Re: Points to HEI
Oldsmobiles and parts for sale
Shifter Linkage
Re: Points to HEI
Mystery manifold
Posi rearend????
Re: Points to HEI
My Olds Weekend
Re: Berejik meeting
Toropony?
Re: Mystery manifold
Re: My Olds Weekend
Re: Mystery manifold
Re: Non-Olds: Last one, I promise!
RE: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: Non-Olds: Last one, I promise!
Re: Points to HEI
Re: AM FM stereo
Re: give me a break
Re: Mystery manifold
RE: Mileage + Leaded gas question
RE: Mystery manifold
Re: 1956 Olds Super 88
Re: New Toro VIN
Diesel Trivia
New Data Plate Info
Re: 1956 Olds Super 88
Re: AM/FM Parts & Repair
RE: Mileage + Leaded gas question
my 4-4-2 W-30 Convert. 4-sale (delete if not interested)
70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s
Reply The Carburetor Shop
Re: Mystery manifold
Re: Mystery manifold
Re: Mystery manifold
Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:51:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

In a message dated 97-04-21 12:39:54 EDT, you write:

<< WHERE is the number stamped on an olds 455 head? I couldn't find one
 yesterday on the set I was investigating! (reply personally if you're
 concerned about wasting bandwidth).  Thanx to anyone who could clarify this!
  >>
look at the passenger side head and at the bottom of the left corner there
should be a letter or number about 1 inch i heighth.   big blocks are letters
and small blocks are numbers.  tell me what letter or number is and i can
decipher what year it is.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:00:46 -0300
Subject: Re: The Carburetor Shop Address

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 Oldoldsguy@aol.com wrote:
>
> THESE GUYS ARE A WASTE OF A GOOD CARB CORE!

Funny thing. This is the first time I've heard criticism of these guys
anywhere (and shouted, to boot. Is that necessary?) All previous reports
were nearly glowing, in fact.

Upon what do you base your low opinion? And can you recommend an alternative?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:06:08 -0300
Subject: Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> No discussion of science supply stores would be complete without a
> mention of American Science & Surplus. All sorts of scientific stuff,
> plus a ton of other oddball products, manufacturers' overruns and
> gawd knows what-all else. Went to their store on the northwest side
> of Chicago and spent about two hours roaming the aisles. Sort of like
> a garage sale put on by some eccentric inventor. Lot of stuff there
> for the do-it-yourself mechanic or engineer.

When this thread came up I had a dim recollection of some outfit like
this that used to have ads in my old Popular Mechanics/Popular Science
magazines back in the 60's. Small agate type, crude-looking line
drawings, ridiculously cheap prices, even more ridiculous merchandise
("surplus weather balloons! Just like the government uses! case of 12
gross, $11.95 + s&h" Well, something like that.) :)  But that strikes me
as exactly the kind of place you'd go to buy something like this that
you'll never use again.

> Great web site, too:
>
> http://www.sciplus.com/
>
> Found a "Pipettor" which might fit your needs:
>
> http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/861640242.96/experiment/24628.html

Geez, Andy, must be a slow day at Datalogics.... ;-)


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:05:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Clock...

>> Anyone out there that can tell us about the quality of the quartz
>> conversion that Year One offers?  Or did I just piss away $125 clams?

Ouch. The price has gone way up since I last had this done... I paid a
local outfit $65 for this same project on my '76 Cutlass Supreme some
years back. It ran perfectly for years after that.

>Well, a few years ago for 29.95, I bought a quartz conversion for my 71
>tic toc tac borg clock from the perrenial J.C. and the boys.  I changed
>it out, and it's been running fine, and keepin' time, since 1992!

I imagine that might have been where my local outfit was buying them from,
but J.C. Whitney doesn't have 'em anymore and the company I used to use is
gone now. Maybe Year One bought up the last of the supply, and knows it.

FWIW, the conversion worked pretty well for me; I ended up having four
clocks converted over the years for various GM cars. One clock went bad,
after about eighteen months, but was replaced under warranty.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:07:32 -0300
Subject: Re: The Carburetor Shop Address

OL>In a message dated 4/18/97 7:15:21 PM, you wrote:

OL><<
OL>     The Carburetor Shop
OL>     8460 Red Oak Street
OL>     Dept. 21017
OL>     Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730
OL>     Ph: (909) 481-5816
OL>     Fx: (909) 481-5822>>

OL>THESE GUYS ARE A WASTE OF A GOOD CARB CORE!

why?

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:37:06 -0300
Subject: RE: Mileage

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Jason Beres wrote:

> Erik Aksomatis wrote of an 1983 88 getting 30 + mpg with some tuning
adjustments
  Eric Aksomitis <- actually
>
> Are we talking about standard carb tweaking or what?  My 83 98 AT w/OD, at
cruising speed (75-80 mph) gets, at best, 22-23 mpg. > > Tell us more! Yep,
it's an '83 88, 307 4spd overdriver, and just a little carb tuneup, choke
fixing, and alternator fixing (prob. not related) brought it from 23ish mpg
to 30+ under perfect highway driving!!! (All measurements in imperial
gallons, 30mpg per imperial = 25.54 mpg per american gallon) I guess it's
important to state the gallon you're using. perhaps MPIG and MPAG would be
good abreviations! > > > Jason Beres > 83 98 coupe > >

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:49:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

How can a reciprocating piston engine be reversible?  (Or is that what
you're trying to find out?)

   Jim Townsend

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:57:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...

I wonder if one could put a Quad4 on a bike.  Set it to run like those
bike motors do, at 10,000rpms.  Wonder what kind of power it would make
like that.

I know, there's alot more to take into consideration than "would it fit."
I was just wondering...

   Jim Townsend

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:01:21 -0300
Subject: '72 Vista Cruiser

Saw a '72 Vista Cruiser for sale in Las Vegas, NV over the weekend.  Wasn't
a price listed, but it was in good shape.  If anyone is interested, I might
be able to find out more...

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:03:32 -0300
Subject: Olds on the net

I was surfing around and found a web site that has something like this
list.  It's www.classicar.com/chat.htm This page list all the
catergories availible. Oldsmobile is one of them.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:04:02 -0300
Subject: Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)

>  Go to your local pharmacy, grocery store and look in the baby section.
> Look for the medicine applicators. They should have either a large
> dropper or graduated cylinder with a pour top that will work nicely. I
> can not locate mine right now but they are cheap and measure metric and
> english. They go up to seems like two tablespoons / 30 ml. At least you
> won't have to count drops.
>
> If I read my chem book right 1 ml is equal to 1 cubic cm.
>
You can also get syringes from a vet that they use on cattle. They are
measured in cc's and hold quite a bit. They are very cheap and acurare
enough for most people.
I used one for a long time before I bought a buret You can get the real
thing from Goodson tools and supplies. They have a web page
http://goodson.com and a toll free line at 1-800-533-8010.
Walter

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 14:19:26 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...

OL>I wonder if one could put a Quad4 on a bike.  Set it to run like those
OL>bike motors do, at 10,000rpms.  Wonder what kind of power it would make
OL>like that.

OL>I know, there's alot more to take into consideration than "would it fit."
OL>I was just wondering...

OL>   Jim Townsend

I've wondered the same thing? How about a riding lawn mower? Shouldn't
have any bogging down problems if the grass gets to tall!

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:27:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Diff gears rationale

I'm pretty ignorant on this subject, so I'm going to ask a couple of
questions too.
(1) Doesn't a higher (numerically) gear ratio increase the torque to the
    wheels?  When one installs a higher ratio, doesn't that mean that the
    gear diameter is made larger, thereby creating a longer lever arm,
    thereby creating more torque?
(2) Doesn't a higher (numerically) ratio make the engine rev quicker?

I'm really interested to hear what you all have to say about these and the
other questions!
Thanx!

      Jim Townsend

------------------------------

From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:26:45 -0300
Subject: Car Show and Swap Meet this Weekend in SE Wisconsin

I just wanted to inform my fellow Midwesterners of a nice
car show/swap meet/car corral up in Jefferson, WI on April 26-27.
It is a pretty big event, with over 1000 cars in the show, 1400 cars
for sale, and a huge swap meet area (over 3000 spaces).  It is about
2 hrs Northwest of Chicago.
        It is at the Jefferson County Fairgrounds.  I have attended it
regularly (spring and fall) for a few years now and it is a great show,
and is well run.  The swap meet and for-sale corral are on both days,
and the show is only on Sunday.
It is located near the intersection of Hwy 18 and 26 in Jefferson, WI.
You can take I-94 and head South a few miles on Hwy 26, or take I-90 to
Hwy 26
North in Janesville for about 20 miles or so.
        I am not affiliated with these guys.  I am just very impressed
with
their operation.



- --
Brett Chaveriat                                    Arlington Hts, IL
mailto:brett@mcs.com

72 Cutlass Supreme Convt. (Radiant Green)
96 Impala SS (black)

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:57:54 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...

On Sun, 20 Apr 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-04-19 04:28:10 EDT, you write:
>
> << Yeah, they're impressive, I'll openly give them that, but I just
> personally
>  don't trust them that highly (Old times, I know, but...) and I'd still
>  prefer my comforts, etc.  That, and I ~know~ if I ever actually drove one,
>  I'd be hooked on the extreme acceleration, and start ~another~ costly
hobby, >  and end up killing myself trying to hit 225 mph on first street...
This I >  already know! :)  Soooooo, I just don't give myself the chance to
start into > it. > >               Charley Buehner >> > > Yeah, they
are very addictive if speed is something you like.  The forces > during
acceleration, braking, and turning (leaning over) are quite different > from a
car, and that's where a good majority of the fun can come from. > > Chris
Ruper >

Dont forget that chicks love 'em!

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:02:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Jo-Anne Hillier wrote:

> I had a motor bike that if you pushed
it backwards, in gear, it would start
> in reverse. It was two stroke wich is probably the same as the diesel motor
> you speak of.
> Scott
> kozhill@titanlink.com
>
>
Just curious    what possesed you to try that?   I've ridden bikes with a
fair amount of barley in me and have never had trouble determining which
end was which :)     keeping the wheels on the ground is a completely
different story!

Dustin

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:06:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Diff gears rationale

OL>I'm pretty ignorant on this subject, so I'm going to ask a couple of
OL>questions too.
OL>(1) Doesn't a higher (numerically) gear ratio increase the torque to the
OL>    wheels?

Yes

OL> When one installs a higher ratio, doesn't that mean that the
OL>    gear diameter is made larger, thereby creating a longer lever arm,
OL>    thereby creating more torque?

No. The ratio is determined by the number of teeth on the ring and the
pinion gears.

OL>(2) Doesn't a higher (numerically) ratio make the engine rev quicker?

Yes and higher

OL>I'm really interested to hear what you all have to say about these and the
OL>other questions!
OL>Thanx!

OL>      Jim Townsend

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From: fletke@ix.netcom.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 15:15:56 -0300
Subject: 1956 Olds Super 88

I have recently purchased a 1956 Super 88. The automatic transmission
does not shift smoothly into 2nd gear unless I let up on the
accelleration. If not, the trans clunks during that shift. The fellow I
bought the car from told me that it is normal and is mearly a performance
deficieny of transmissions of this vintage.

Is this true or do I have a problem that needs to be dealt with?

Thanks for any advice on this matter.

Terry

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:27:54 -0300
Subject: Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~

>
> I'd recommend an 8mm fisheye lens to get the whole gange in there (perhaps a
> panoramic shot?)
>
Charleys main problem will be to get all of them in the same place, since
only a couple run and if I'm not mistaken he is down to 0 "roadworthy"

'course I have similar troubles

Dustin

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:49:12 -0300
Subject: Re: 1956 Olds Super 88

In the _ONE_ '56 Olds 88 that I have driven :-)  I remember the shift as
being quite firm.  It "clunked" into gear, but not clunk as in "rpm's
whine real high and then it finally shifts" but rather clunk as in "it
goes straight from one gear to the next with no hesitation".  Explain
which of these situation's you have.  I also have heard that these cars,
stock (the one I drove had a modified engine (1956 with a J-2) but the
owner swore that the tranny hadn't been touched) had a fairly hard shift
when compared to other automatics, even others of the same era.  This is
just from experience with one vehicle.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.


On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 fletke@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> I have recently purchased a 1956 Super 88. The automatic transmission
> does not shift smoothly into 2nd gear unless I let up on the
> accelleration. If not, the trans clunks during that shift. The fellow I
> bought the car from told me that it is normal and is mearly a performance
> deficieny of transmissions of this vintage.
>
> Is this true or do I have a problem that needs to be dealt with?
>
> Thanks for any advice on this matter.
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:06:25 -0300
Subject: [none]

From: Kabootski@aol.com

>I would also be interested in an AM-FM radio for my '70 Cutlass, simply
>because I went absolutely batty driving the car back 5 hours to Chicago with
>nothing but talk radio.

>Duane
>1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible (that can only get Rush Limbaugh and WGN)

Hmmm, my 442's AM radio only gets WBBM.  Something about those Olds radios...

I've been meaning to slap a stealth CD player in the glovebox or somewhere
but havent really seen the urgent need.  The exhaust would probably drown
out most of the music anyway.  :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:33:07 -0300
Subject: Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~

At 04:27 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>
>> I'd recommend an 8mm fisheye lens to get the whole gange in there (perhaps
a >> panoramic shot?) >> >Charleys main problem will be to get all of them in
the same place, since >only a couple run and if I'm not mistaken he is down to
0 "roadworthy" > >'course I have similar troubles > >Dustin > > Hey, now!
They're ~all~ roadworthy!  They can sit on the road just fine! Now
~trustworthy~ is a different story alltogher...  :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:27:00 -0300
Subject: Non-Olds: Hideous Cars at Carlisle

Forgot to mention that I saw some strange things at Carlisle outside the
grounds.
1) Picture a new black Suburban.  Now picture the same Suburban with
wheels about 20" inches in diameter and about 4 inches of ground
clearance.
2) An early '90s 'vette.  Red with a western motif.  This is the car
Boss Hogg would have driven if he wanted to go fast.  Fake revolvers
hanging from either side if the rear wing (as well as fringes), fake
bullets on top of the outside rearview mirrors, spurs on all four
tailpipes!  Of course there was all sorts of other western "stuff" on
the outside of the car, but the inside looked like...well lets just say
that Roy Rogers would have thought it was a little too much.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:33:16 -0300
Subject: Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~

At 12:47 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 03:10 AM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Well, I think I've already gotten myself talked into building the Toro!

>
>The 425's rods are shorter than the 455's. That'd cause some
>compression/interference problems, I'd imagine.

Yeah, I thought about that after I posted this.  Since I'm questioning the
rods in the 425 (not sure what's causing failures...) this probably won't
work yet.  My two other prospective parts cars for the '67 98 Convert still
have the 425's in em, tho...


>
>>put the newly created 425 in the Toro, and buy that other Toro as a parts
>>car!  (Damn, that'd put me up to 15.5!  Now, if I could just get them ~all~
>>in one picture...)  And since the '66 doesn't have a hood, I just as well
>
>I'd recommend an 8mm fisheye lens to get the whole gange in there (perhaps a
>panoramic shot?)

I'm thinking of calling NASA to borrow their one of their satellites, cuz
that's the only thing that would catch all of 'em at once!  They might look
kinda small, tho! (I've got cars in four locations locally, and the rest are
250 miles away...)

>>make the engine stick out far enough to make it look like there's a reason
>>the hood's off....    Uh, maybe I'd better just find some wheels to put on
>>it, first!  :(  I've got plenty of time to dream about it!
>
>A 6-71 supercharger would look just right on a Toro, wouldn't it...?

Hmmmm....  As long as there's an oil fill tube right in front of it! :)

>
>>Oh, yeah, Drooling point.  All the glass is perfect!  (Even the windshield,
>>not so much as a chip!)
>
>That settles it; you've got to restore it, and drive it to Lansing!

I think I'll try driving it to town first, tho'  :)


The virus is ~really~ setting in, though, I heard about ~another~ Toro in
Glasgow (which is just past halfway between here and the rest of my parts
cars...)  Supposedly a 70 or 71 with a 455.  Sitting on rims.  (well, with
little rubber pads under them, I guess they used to be tires!)  I'll be
going home sometime in the next week or so, and this car is exactly one
block out of my way, sooooo.  The guy was going to give it to his kid, but
the kid decided against it cuz of mileage (I bet he's driving a Saab!) so I
could probably get it for cheap, too!  Arggg!  Here I go again....

Oh well, One car at a time.  (Some may twist that around a bit to become
"one ~day~ at a time," but I don't know where that saying could have gotten
its roots...  :)  I'm gonna go look at the '66 again, and try to round up
some tires, and then see what happens.  I'll look closely at the Pass Front
wheelwell mouldings, too.  Later,




             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:35:20 -0300
Subject: Non-Olds: '62 Buick LeSabre

Just got back from the boneyard.  They had a new addition, a '62 Buick
LeSabre.  The car is all there and is pretty clean.  The only body
damage is the passenger side rear door and quarter (looks like a
~slight~ sideswipe).  The front bench needs recovered, but the interior
is clean otherwise.  They got the car at an estate sale which I believe
from some of the stuff I found in the glove compartment, including
original bill of sale.  Anyway, I'd rate the car a solid 3+.  It's
located in MD and they want $450 (you can probably get it for $400).  If
anyone wants more info, mail me direct.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 17:42:05 -0300
Subject: Non-Olds: Last one, I promise!

CORVAIR QUESTION
Forgot this on the last post.  The boneyard also has a few Corvairs.
All with engines intact.  One of the engines looks very clean (hasn't
been there long).  Are the aircleaners and carbs worth much?  Two of the
cars have the complete aircleaner assemblies in very good shape and I
was thinking if there worth a few dollars I'd pick them up.  Any input
is appreciated although please do it direct so as to avoid the "Wrath of
Greg".  Thanks.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:02:27 -0300
Subject: Re: 1971 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Interchangable Parts

>I have a 455 Olds Rocket V-8, I want to replace my breaker point
>distributor with a HEI distributor. Is there a factory distributor that
>will bolt right up to this engine? Any suggestions about after-market
>distributors.

I have a '72 Vista Cruiser with a 455, I picked up an HEI distributor from a
'75 Olds 455 at my local junkyard.  It fits without any problems on the 455
engine, on the 350 you will have to get the aircleaner of the same car that
provides you with the distributor to avoid interference.  The only wiring
necessary to get the HEI up and running is to find a switched source (active
when you turn the key) and run a decent size wire to the distributor.  Wire
size has been discussed on this group recently, I won't touch that subject
again ;-)


>I want to replace my single exhaust system to dual headers in my 1971
>Vista Cruiser. Will Olds 442 headers clear my frame and suspension? Is
>there a better system available from after-market dealers?

I considered Hedman headers and floated a question to the group and Bill
Culp and Robert Barry talked me out of it (thanks guys, you saved me $$$ to
be spent elsewhere in the engine).  See postings from last week, subject
Headers.  If you decide to go ahead with headers, please let the group know
how it turns out.

Erik Nowacki

        1972 Vista Cruiser
        1970 MBZ 28SE (With a F*rd 351C)
        1986 Ni**an 200SX
        1983 Kawasaki GPz 1100
        1982 Suzuki Katana 1000

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:15:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical connector catalog

Barnacle Bill wrote:
>
> Could you give us an address or phone ª to order our own catalog?
> Thanks,
Au-ve-co is located in Covington, KY. Phone number is (800) 354-9816,
I'm sure that they can give you a local dealer. I got my catalog from a
local fastener dealer. Au-ve-co also makes most any body hardware
fastener that you can imagine. I've bought most of my restoration
fasteners from them including the tapered thread body bolts.

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:19:37 -0300
Subject: Differential Interchange

Hi All
I have a few questions.

I was thummin' through a Summit catalog when I came across the ring and
pinion section. From what I read there it seemed like the differential
carrier only accommodates a limited number of ratios (e.g. a 2.x carrier
could not accept a 4.x ring and pinion). Is this the case with all 12 bolts
or just ones with posi? I do understand that there is a limit to the range
of ratios that can be put in a diff, but the note in the Summit catalog made
it seem as if some 12 bolt ratios would not fit in some 12 bolt differentials.

Can a Positraction unit be added to a 12 bolt carrier? If so, what is
involved?

Can a differential from a '70 VC be swapped into a Cutlass of the same year?
Are any modifications necessary?

TIA
Ray
34467x
70 Cutlass Conv.


P.S. Are doors from two door, non-post, hard tops and convertables
interchangable ('70-'72)?

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:19:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Points to HEI

Hi all,

What are we looking at in terms of cost to convert from Points to HEI?

Chris

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:18:48 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobiles and parts for sale

Hey gang, check out www.mm.com/swapmeet/  There are a bunch of
Oldsmobiles for sale and quite a few Olds part listings.  Some of you
may know about this website already, but if you don't you should.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: "Drew K. Bengert" <dk.bengert@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:05:16 -0300
Subject: Shifter Linkage

I own a 73 442 which was originally a column shift car. When I purchased
the car it had been converted to a floor shift with the proper automatic
shifter, console, seats etc.

My question is, do you use the neutral start switch that is on the
column and if so, is there linkage that comes off the tranny lever and
connects to the arm on the sterring column. I have a repair manual but
it does not clearly show all of the shifter linkages for the floor
shifter.

Thanks Drew

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:08:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Points to HEI

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> What are we looking at in terms of cost to convert from Points to HEI?
1/2 hour labour about, Price of used HEI (should be reasonably cheap), +
should use new wires!

I've done it myself lots, but I know a guy who just 'got it done' and
spent well under $100

>
> Chris
>

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:05:44 -0300
Subject: Mystery manifold

Let's see if anyone knows what this is.

I ran across a factory four-barrel intake manifold for a big-inch olds,
in my pile of parts. It has a port for the 90 degree pcv elbow (a la 70
W-30) but it is a cast iron manifold, and has the firing order in front
of the carb mount. It has the choke tubes on it, with the ª404521 on the
back near the distributor.  Below the number it looks like a O1  V
?????  Any clue on what this intake is for???  I can't find anything
written about this manifold.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:02:11 -0300
Subject: Posi rearend????

Hey everyone,

I just bought a '71 442.  The guy I bought it from said he thinks he
broke the posi rearend.  When I jcaked the car up and spun the
driverside wheel the other one did not turn at all, so I know something
is wrong somewhere.  Can anyone tell me if this is posi?  I looked for
the 2 letter code on the axle on the passenger side, but could not find
it.  Am I looking in the wrong spot?  If it is posi how much would it
cost to get it rebuilt?

Thanks,
Bryan Bodine
'70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
'71 442 (Mine)

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From: shoover <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:15:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Points to HEI

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> What are we looking at in terms of cost to convert from Points to HEI?
>
> Chris

The price of your distributor. $25 junkyard, $120 NAPA. You should not
need anything else. Possibly some wire and a connector.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:23:53 -0300
Subject: My Olds Weekend

I know that this is the kind of post that I'll get bitches about since
it's on the personal nature... but I just wanted to share my weekend
with you guys.
Last Saturday we buttoned up my 350 and transported it back to my
garage. In less than an hour the newly rebuilt motor was in frame. I
spent the rest of last weekend and most of the week getting vac lines,
heater hoses, radiator hoses, and wiring back in place. By Saturday
morning - I WAS READY! The guy that built my motor (his first Olds
motor) came over that morning to help me get it running and help do some
fine tuneing. We manually primed the motor and at about noon she was
running. After a couple of minutes we still had a lifter that hadn't
pumped up. We pulled the both valve covers and put the drill back on the
oil pump. We were oiling slightly on the left bank, but as we got closer
around to ª7 we weren't oiling at all. It seems that we put back
everthing that WE pulled off of the block, however we didn't put back
the one thing that the machine shop pulled off of the block (and
negleted to return)... the left bank gallery plug. I was getting plenty
of oil flow but not enough pressure to move the oil to the top of the
motor. Thank God that we didn't run it too long.
I spent the rest of Saturday pulling the trans, finding a gallery
restrictor plug, installing it, and puting it all back together again.
At 7:30 PM EDT, we tried again... VIOLA! We had 60 psi of oil pressure
and the motor sounded great. While breaking in the cam, she began to
over heat a little so we chose to shut it down. Just as we shut down,
the upper radiator hose blew off. Fortunatey no one was hurt. We quit
for the night.
Sunday morning I started off by cleaning up the hose and installing a
new clamp. I refilled the radiator and prepaired to finish the cam
break-in. She cranked right up and ran great. I broke in the cam for
about 30 minutes... temperature hovered at 200-205 (with a 195
thermostat) and oil pressure held at 50 psi after she warmed up.
Everything was going just great! Until... I shut down the motor and was
cleaning up my tools when KA-Frickin-BOOM... the upper radiator hose
blew off AGAIN! This time I wasn't so lucky. The hot water soaked my
left pants leg and shoe. By the time I got cold water on it I had real
neat 2nd degree burns on my left foot and right knee. After some
neighborly coaxing... I went to the hospital.
Even after all of this, I'm tickled to death that she's running again.
Those flat top pistons and the W-31 cam sound great. Even with the set
backs I'm hoping that I'll be back on the road next weekend to break
this thing in. All-in-all, knee's OK, foot's kinda OK, cars doing great!
Thanks for letting me vent some steam (pun intended)!
David Nye
'71 Cutlass Supreme Rag-Top

------------------------------

From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:31:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Berejik meeting

I'm sorry to send this again but it seems the e-mail here at school has
been screwed up this wekend.  If any one replied to this before, could you
repost it or send it to me directly.

Thanks again,
Bill Reilly
wreilly@acad.bryant.edu

 > On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> >
> > I'll probably be at the first Berejik meeting; maybe we should start
talking > > it up on this list, since many people have joined since last fall,
and I > > know a few are from the Boston area. > >
_______________________________________________________ > > Dr. Robert Barry
MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu > > Theology Dept, Providence College,
Providence, RI 02918 > > > >   When is this meeting at Berejik's??  Would I
be able to make it before I > graduate and leave the New England area?? > >
Thanks, > > Bill Reilly > '85 Cutlass Supreme > >

------------------------------

From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 20:22:29 -0300
Subject: Toropony?

 Long hood, short deck, two doors -- hmm. does a Toronado qualify as a pony
car? Or is another qualifier that the vehicle has to weigh less than the
Queen Mary?

And another thing, the 66's did have >375 HP when new.

Is this an early viral sign?

;)

cf

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From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@mail.bright.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 20:01:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

Mike,


        What you have is a '70-72 455 manifold that was used on 442's with
automatic transmissions. (obviously not including W-30's)  I don't know if
it was used in any other applications.   Anyone??


Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.





At 07:05 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Let's see if anyone knows what this is.
>
>I ran across a factory four-barrel intake manifold for a big-inch olds,
>in my pile of parts. It has a port for the 90 degree pcv elbow (a la 70
>W-30) but it is a cast iron manifold, and has the firing order in front
>of the carb mount. It has the choke tubes on it, with the ª404521 on the
>back near the distributor.  Below the number it looks like a O1  V
>?????  Any clue on what this intake is for???  I can't find anything
>written about this manifold.
>
>Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
>Mike Rothe
>
>
>

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:03:18 -0300
Subject: Re: My Olds Weekend

David,

No flames here, those are the kind of stories I like to see on the list.
Glad you found the oil problem. But what's the deal on those hoses? I
know that pressure can build up after a hot engine is shut off, but twice
in a row?

Sorry to hear about those burns (ouch!). Get well soon.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:14:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
>         What you have is a '70-72 455 manifold that was used on 442's with
> automatic transmissions. (obviously not including W-30's)  I don't know if
> it was used in any other applications.   Anyone??
>
Ok, how can I verify this?  The 71 Chassis manual doesn't reference a
cast iron manifold with a pcv valve coming from the right frontal area,
right behind where usually a thermostatic vacuum control valve would
be.  The hole goes all the way through the manifold, and it was made
that way.  I thought all those types were aluminum.  Anybody else?

Mike

------------------------------

From: Dan Bennett <dbennett@asu.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:21:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Last one, I promise!

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> CORVAIR QUESTION
> Forgot this on the last post.  The boneyard also has a few Corvairs.
> All with engines intact.  One of the engines looks very clean (hasn't
> been there long).  Are the aircleaners and carbs worth much?  Two of the
> cars have the complete aircleaner assemblies in very good shape and I
> was thinking if there worth a few dollars I'd pick them up.  Any input
> is appreciated although please do it direct so as to avoid the "Wrath of
> Greg".  Thanks.
>
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)


Kurt, I have a '62 Corvair, along with my '72 Cutlass.  Its not getting
much attention these day but I can tell you that the air cleaners and
assemblys are a dime a dozen.  Just about everything on the Corvair is.
 There are hundreds of good parts cars out here and very few people want
their parts.  I have found good stuff dirt cheap.  I would guess that I
could buy the whole assembley for $20-25 bucks.  Perhaps owners in the
Midwest or in the North East would pay more?

Dan Bennett
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:43:32 -0300
Subject: RE: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

At 01:50 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Erik Aksomatis wrote of an 1983 88 getting 30 + mpg with some tuning
adjustments
>
>Are we talking about standard carb tweaking or what?  My 83 98 AT w/OD, at
cruising speed (75-80 mph) gets, at best, 22-23 mpg.
>
>Tell us more!
>
>
>Jason Beres
>83 98 coupe
>
>
>
He did say that that car was using Imperial gallons.  My conversion book has
a lot of conversions, but not that one, how big is an Imperial gallon.  And
judging by the milage figure, it must be a bit larger than the non-Imperial
gallon.

Unless of course that was Imperial gallons per Nautical mile!

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:40:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

The other guy is wrong.....sorry to say.
>
> Mike Rothe
Mercury used a reverseable outboard engine years a go. It had no neutral.
When you put it in reverse the timing was changed by the control lever so
that it would run backwards. I don't remember if you had to kill it and
restart it or if it did it itself somehow.I never worked on one but I saw a
few on boats back when I worked for a boat manafacture. Stock car guys
sometimes run their engines backwards I don't know what they do to keep
from having 3 or 4 reverse gears and one forward one but I know they claim
it helps plant the tires better when turning left all the time. They use a
special cam that turns the distributer in the normal rotation so the oil
pump works the same (they probably got the idea from the twin eng boat
guys).
Walter

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:52:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Last one, I promise!

At 05:42 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>CORVAIR QUESTION
>Forgot this on the last post.  The boneyard also has a few Corvairs.
>All with engines intact.  One of the engines looks very clean (hasn't
>been there long).  Are the aircleaners and carbs worth much?  Two of the
>cars have the complete aircleaner assemblies in very good shape and I
>was thinking if there worth a few dollars I'd pick them up.  Any input
>is appreciated although please do it direct so as to avoid the "Wrath of
>Greg".  Thanks.
>
>--
>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
>
The ultimate Corvair part in terms of downright rarity is a turbo charger.
I had a guy offer me more for a turbo charger than I paid for the entire
Corvair, actually more than twice as much.  Also, old aircleaners are almost
all worth having, if they're from an interesting car.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 21:53:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Points to HEI

At 06:19 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>What are we looking at in terms of cost to convert from Points to HEI?
>
>Chris
>
>
I've done it several times for less than $50.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:07:19 -0300
Subject: Re: AM FM stereo

> > There is a guy that makes all the swap meets in our area that converts
am
> > to am/fm. The radio looks completely original when he is done with it.
I
> > used to have his card if anyone is interested I will try to find it.
> > Walter
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Kabootski@aol.com
>
> > >
> I am extremely interested.
>
> Bryan Bodine
> bbodine@matrix.uti.com
> '70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
> '71 442 (Mine)
OK I found it.... sorry I took so long. Its Radio Man ( Bob Sponsel) 141
Royal Park Waxahachie Texas 75165 (214) 937-8505    Note..... the phine
company has been changeing area codes around here I don't know if his area
was affected or not.
Walter

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:12:52 -0300
Subject: Re: give me a break

>
> My appologies for the tasteless joke, it won't happen again.
> Scott
> kozhill@titanlink.com
>Gee I thought it was kinda cute.

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From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:12:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold


Mike,

 68 & 69 H/O's have that type of manifold, I dont have a parts book at work
or I would look up the number for you.

Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 W30
71 442 Convt

------------------------------

From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:17:22 -0300
Subject: RE: Mileage + Leaded gas question

> >Are we talking about standard carb tweaking or what?  My 83 98 AT w/OD, at
> cruising speed (75-80 mph) gets, at best, 22-23 mpg.
> >
> >Tell us more!
> >
> He did say that that car was using Imperial gallons.  My conversion book has
> a lot of conversions, but not that one, how big is an Imperial gallon.  And
> judging by the milage figure, it must be a bit larger than the non-Imperial
> gallon.
>
One Imperial gallon = 4.545 Litres
One American gallon = 3.87 Litres (I think, but I know it's about that)
Conversion between MPAG and MPIG (my own abreviations):
One MPIG = .8515 MPAG
One MPAG = 1.1744 MPIG

(Of course, SOME people, when telling stories of all the stuff THEY own,
use even bigger gallons and really short miles (someday's I think their
exists another type of mile which is about as long as a football field!))

BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if not)

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.0.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard of olds's: Current count : 5 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: "Robert K. Whitaker" <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 20:10:32 -0300
Subject: RE: Mystery manifold

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Mike,

The 69 H/O manifold part number is 405233.  It sounds exactly the same =
according to your description.  Could it possibly be a Toronado =
manifold?  I've read the PCV port was in the same location as the H/O.

Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 16:28:56 -0300
Subject: Re: 1956 Olds Super 88

fletke@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> I have recently purchased a 1956 Super 88. The automatic transmission
> does not shift smoothly into 2nd gear unless I let up on the
> accelleration. If not, the trans clunks during that shift. The fellow I
> bought the car from told me that it is normal and is mearly a performance
> deficieny of transmissions of this vintage.
>
> Is this true or do I have a problem that needs to be dealt with?
>
> Thanks for any advice on this matter.
>
> Terry

Terry,

Those old Hydra-Matics could be like this new.  I believe that a very
good technician could adjust it so that it would do better.  Good luck
in finding a very good technician.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:39:06 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro VIN

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, James Thingwold wrote:

What's the matter, Greg?  Are ya sleepin'?

> 01C                        L

Build date = third week (C) of January (01).  I beleive the L is for
Lansing, where all the Toronados were built.

> 6639687  EUC 16337   (Body)

1966 (66) Oldsmobile (3) Toronado Deluxe (9687)  EUC 16337 is the body
sequence number.  All Toronados had the EUC instead of LAN.

> 050 D                   SS   (Paint)

050 D is the code for Black Vinyl Strato Bench seat.  I beleive the D
denotes Deluxe trim.  Color SS is Champagne Mist, quite a bit lighter than
the popular Trumpet Gold.  Sort of like today's Driftwood metallic.

> E2KR3P

This is so cool.  I was looking through some old JWOs last night and came
across and article on the '65 data plate and how to decode it.  It
included these accessory codes, which I previously have been unable to
decifer.  Goes like this:

E (which is part of group 1, but the plate doesn't tell you that) is for
full tinted glass.

2KR is group 2 and is options K, air conditioning and R rear shelf speaker

3P is group 3.  There was no P in group 3 in '65.  P was in Group 2 in '65
and all it says is "uncomfirmed".

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:43:24 -0300
Subject: Diesel Trivia

Steamed on USN ships 6/69-6/73. Always thought the engine in "Sand
Pebbles was a "Skiner Uniflow" reciprocating steam engine. Some USN
ships were single engine single screw diesel. They would stop the engine
and then reverse the valve gear and then run engine in reverse
direction. Definitely reported to be scary to restart each time. Also
they would use cylinder pressure to pump up air storage tanks and then
redirect air to certain cylinders to rotate engine for restarting. Even
scarier. Try 150 bells (1/3 ahead; full stop; 3/2 astern; etc) using
that system. Reports from experienced operators say that if these guys
didn't fire in 3-4 turns they didn't fire. If you are going to look in
Janes, look for auxiliary ships like tenders, supply, repair ships, etc
as most but not all war ships are twin screw or better, steam powered.
Going to the basement to pull out the Hemphill Diesel School books for
research. By the way, how about a twin crank oposed piston Baldwin Lima
Hamilton-weird engineering--or for horsepower & torque--the longest
shaft on some carriers make 3-1/2 twists on a 36" shaft from full speed
ahead to crash astern. Gotta love that power. Anyhow, as scary as as
single screw diesel ships may be---About Oldsmobiles, I don't think it's
as scary as driving this 79-98-Regency-5.7 diesel--(every day
driver)--where you don't leave home without a pair of head gaskets and
an injector wrench!   Try the USN site-maybe some real definitive info
there.

78-98 2d Diesel

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:47:15 -0300
Subject: New Data Plate Info

Hey, all you folks weve been decoding data plated for:  If you've got
accessory codes like these below

> 01C                        L
> 6639687  EUC 16337   (Body)
> 050 D                   SS   (Paint)
> E2KR3P
  ^^^^^^
Post them again.  I was previously unable to decode these, but I think I
can come pretty close now.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:56:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 1956 Olds Super 88

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 fletke@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> I have recently purchased a 1956 Super 88. The automatic transmission
> does not shift smoothly into 2nd gear unless I let up on the
> accelleration. If not, the trans clunks during that shift. The fellow I
> bought the car from told me that it is normal and is mearly a performance
> deficieny of transmissions of this vintage.
>
> Is this true or do I have a problem that needs to be dealt with?
>
> Thanks for any advice on this matter.
>
> Terry

While I am not an expert on the Jetaway HydraMatics, I feel I can safely
say that they weren't designed to klunk.  '56 was the first year for the
Jetaway.  They were designed to be an improvement over the old HydraMatic.
The whole idea of this trans was to have one that was smoother shifting
than the older units.  But it may be something as simple as a linkage
adjustment.  I had some klunking in my '52, most of it was adjusted out.
The remainder was considered standard equipment.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@EROLS.COM>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:53:18 -0300
Subject: Re: AM/FM Parts & Repair

>
> Anyway, my point is that the Year One service, while possibly very
> comprehensive, may be a lot more than what you need and is probably
> expensive. If there's a local shop in your area give them a call. It may
> save you some $$.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

Thanks for the advice Greg, I'll give a look around the area and see what I
can come up with.  Those Year One prices are a bit steep.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 22:01:27 -0300
Subject: RE: Mileage + Leaded gas question

> One Imperial gallon = 4.545 Litres

4.546 Liters   (those Americans will never figure out the "re";
                remember that French is our secret weapon  <g>)

> One American gallon = 3.87 Litres (I think, but I know it's about that)

3.785 Liters   (From a jug of Dex-cool, purchased in Florida last year)

> One MPAG = 1.1744 MPIG

Significant digits! ;)

Kevin Wong
Toronto, Ontario

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From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:04:55 -0300
Subject: my 4-4-2 W-30 Convert. 4-sale (delete if not interested)

Hey, I just wanted to let everyone know again that I have pictures of my
W-30 Convert. that is for sale.  Don't worry I am not going to try to post
these to the list  :)
the address to view these are: http://www.mcmsys.com/~tcleeton/
If anyone is interested, let me know....thanks guys!

T Cleeton
tcleton@mcmsys.com

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From: CDHall <cdhall@mci2000.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:05:37 -0300
Subject: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s

I have a 70 Cutlass Supreme SX. The Fisher body ª starts out - 70 34257 E
2913
The Serial ª on the dash starts out - 34487 OG. I found most of the build
sheet and it shows the model ª as 34257 also. But it also has the last 4
digits of the serial ª wrote on it. Has anyone else seen this on an SX
before? This car  is loaded with options including: W-32 engine, FE-2
suspension, G80 Posi, W26 Console, Etc.
                                                              Thanks;

                                                              C.D. Hall

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:01:11 -0300
Subject: Reply The Carburetor Shop

In a message dated 97-04-21 16:21:05 EDT, you write:

<<  THESE GUYS ARE A WASTE OF A GOOD CARB CORE!

 Funny thing. This is the first time I've heard criticism of these guys
 anywhere (and shouted, to boot. Is that necessary?) All previous reports
 were nearly glowing, in fact.

 Upon what do you base your low opinion? And can you recommend an
alternative?

 Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
  >>
I had a bad experience with Brad Urban and the Carb Shop.
I sent a Q-jet to them and had it rebuilt to a Stage 2 setup.  When they sent
the carb back, they left the jets, primary and secondary metering rods that i
had in it.  I thought they would have changed it due the engine info that i
gave them.  So i figuered out it cost me 256.00 to just have it cleaned and
bored .062 to make it a
795 cfm carb. Another thing wrong with the carb was that after i put it on
the car, i was still experiencing a bog problem.  I took the carb apart and
found that my
power piston assembly was bent, so it kept on hanging up and causing the bog
problem.  I scavenge another carb of mine of its power piston and it fixed
the problem.
I called the CArb Shop about it, and they said they had a problem with one of
their workers, but couldnt help me since i took the carb apart.  What a bunch
of bull.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:11:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

In a message dated 97-04-21 22:06:02 EDT, you write:

<<  ran across a factory four-barrel intake manifold for a big-inch olds,
 in my pile of parts. It has a port for the 90 degree pcv elbow (a la 70
 W-30) but it is a cast iron manifold, and has the firing order in front
 of the carb mount. It has the choke tubes on it, with the ª404521 on the
 back near the distributor.  Below the number it looks like a O1  V
 ?????  Any clue on what this intake is for???  I can't find anything
 written about this manifold.
  >>
This intake is a 442 4spd intake.  it only came on 4spds with the double
snorkel ends.  Not OAI but and air cleaner with 2 snorkels and two breathers
going to the valve covers.  this was a 70-72 option.

W MACHINES

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From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@mail.bright.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:16:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

At 09:14 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>>         What you have is a '70-72 455 manifold that was used on 442's with
>> automatic transmissions. (obviously not including W-30's)  I don't know if
>> it was used in any other applications.   Anyone??
>>
>Ok, how can I verify this?  The 71 Chassis manual doesn't reference a
>cast iron manifold with a pcv valve coming from the right frontal area,
>right behind where usually a thermostatic vacuum control valve would
>be.  The hole goes all the way through the manifold, and it was made
>that way.  I thought all those types were aluminum.  Anybody else?
>
>Mike


Mike,


        My "GUESS" is that it is probably from a '70-72 442 with O.A.I.
B/C--If both RAC have the connections going to the air breather, (as I
believe all W-25 cars do) that would leave only this connection for the PCV
valve.

I have a '70 assembly manual which shows the drivers side RAC connection
going to the breather assembly with a * next to it with the legend stating
(in blurred letters) something like W-25 with 455 CU. IN. ENG. and W-30 ALL.
(hard to tell as my copy is very bad)

Just as a side note, I also have a '72 Cutlass Supreme with the original 455
that has the intake cast for the fitting  but the hole is not drilled and
tapped. Even if it was, I don't know if it would be open to the passage.

I do believe that if someone on the list has a straight 70-72 442 with
O.A.I. they could easily check to either confirm or deny my guess.

Just my $0.02 that may have change coming,


Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:30:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

Robert K. Whitaker wrote:
>
>
> The 69 H/O manifold part number is 405233.  It sounds exactly the same
according to your description.  Could it possibly be a Toronado manifold?
I've read the PCV port was in the same location as the H/O.

Toronado??  I have a 70 Toro intake manifold, and it is not of the
standard stock height.  It is a "low-rise" if you will, kinda sunken in
for hood clearance. And no PCV provision, either.  Unless it is a later
Toro manifold........It looks like the 69 H/O manifold, true, but it's
not the right part ª (for 69, anyway. [could it be a '68??])  Still, it
looks kinda neat.  Any more dyed in the wool Oldsmobile heavies want to
take a crack at this?  Come on, folks, we can decipher vintage and
controversial body trim plates, this should be a piece of cake!  I just
don't have any info on it......

Mike Rothe

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:40:16 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997, CDHall wrote:

> I have a 70 Cutlass Supreme SX. The Fisher body ª starts out - 70 34257 E
> 2913
> The Serial ª on the dash starts out - 34487 OG. I found most of the build
> sheet and it shows the model ª as 34257 also. But it also has the last 4
> digits of the serial ª wrote on it. Has anyone else seen this on an SX
> before? This car  is loaded with options including: W-32 engine, FE-2
> suspension, G80 Posi, W26 Console, Etc.

OK, the body ª is 70 34257 E 2913, which translates to a '70 Cutlass
Supreme Holiday Coupe with the body built in the ? plant.  I thought E
would be the plant code, but I can't find anything that refers to E.

The VIN tag is for 344870G, which is a '70 442 Holiday Coupe, which is an
entirely differeny body style, built at the Framingham, MA plant.

Now, I know that they used components to build these SXs, but I don't know
if they went so far as to use 442 VINs.  We just went over this the other
day on '68 and '69 442s.

Something doesn't sound right here.  Maybe someone else knows more than I
do.

What is the full VIN on your dash and what is the full VIN on your build
sheet.  Where are these 4 numbers written that you're talking about.  And
is there a body number anywhere on the build sheet.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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