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oldsmobile-digest          Wednesday, 28 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 697

Re: Ertl model 69 442
Car Transporters (was Re: LD Title Transfers?)
Hey datic@aol
'76 Delta 88 parts available
Re[2]: Piston Bore Data
Re: Ertl model 69 442
Re: Interior body work ('65 98)
Re: Dual conversion exhaust:
Yet another IVOC show moment
Re: Interior body work ('65 98)
Re: Usenet newsgroup ?
OCA Calendar of Events - LONG
Re: some questions
Re: Ertl model 69 442
Re: Interior body work ('65 98)
W-30 inspiration - a little non Olds
RE: About my Oldsmobile..
RE: About my Oldsmobile..
Re: New Conv. Top
Dallas Car Shows
ROCKET TALK
Re: Interior body work ('65 98)
Re: Ertl model 69 442
Re: A/C repair Scam's buyer beware!
How do you build a hot tank?
Re: Rear-end ?
Re:  Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"
Re: About my Oldsmobile..
Re: Ertl model 69 442
Re: ROCKIT TALK
Re: Dual conversion exhaust:
Re: speedo cable lube
Re: Mondello sucks
Re: 425 bump-stick
test-ignore (list has been *too* quiet today...)
Re: Desktop Dyno and my carb/cam situation

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From: JNelson751@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:01:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Ertl model 69 442

i bought one about i month ago at a toys are us in iowa, it was the same way.
they were $20 also.
they had about 6 black 442s and about 5 hurst/olds

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 13:04:48 -0300
Subject: Car Transporters (was Re: LD Title Transfers?)

>>On a related note, anyone have any good or bad reports on auto
>>transport companies?

My sister recently had Allied Van Lines move her car from Chicago
to New Jersey. They literally drove it into the moving van and
packed padding all around it as if it was just oversized furniture.
Car arrived in fine shape. The key is to ensure that they tie it
down and pad it; otherwise it'll "hop" over bumps and eventually
walk itself up against an interior wall in the truck otherwise.

The price of it all I don't know; her company paid for her move,
and all the household possessions went at the same time.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 03:36:15 -0300
Subject: Hey datic@aol

I don't know his address for sure, but I think it's datic@aol.com.

I found some parts he's been looking for in the yard this weekend
and want to get in touch, anyone have his address? Found the 66 wiper
switch and kick panels he was looking for cheap.

Just trying to be helpful
cf

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:35:32 -0300
Subject: '76 Delta 88 parts available

- -->>  1976 Delta 88 4dr parts  <<--

Cheap plus shipping. You need 'em, you got 'em. Pretty much no offer refused.
These just need to find a home. I'm 50 miles west of Chicago.

Rear defog glass       - works, a couple of lines need to be repaired.
Side glass             - good condition, all 4.
Blinker, brake lenses  - available.
     o left - housing only
Dash, interior         - available.
Suspension             - available.

Body bad (I'll check on pieces [patches] if you need them). No
engine/trans/diff. Send a list of your needs.


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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:40:01 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Piston Bore Data

Thanks for clearing up the compression height question!

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From: <eekstrom@coris.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Ertl model 69 442

     I picked up both the Ertl '69 442 & the '69 HO.  The HO had a
     passenger side mirror.  The 442 had a blank on the passenger side to
     fill in the hole.  Within 24 hours the 442 driver's side mirror was
     ripped off by my son.  It was expected I guess.  He's only 4.  I'll
     remind him of this later if this model is ever worth something as a
     collectable.

     Ed Ekstrom
     '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.


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_________________________________ Subject: Ertl model 69 442 Author:  Jeff
Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com> at ~WLBRK03 Date:    5/28/97 12:05 PM



Just picked up the Ertl Collectible 1969 442 W-30 Die cast metal car from
American Toy Warehouse.  Opened up and while it looks like there is a mount
for a  passenger side rearview mirror the car didnt have one.  First thought
was that it had broke off in shipping,  went back to the store and none of
the ones they had had one.

Called up Ertl this morning and they said this model was discontinued a year
ago (store had 8 in stock), but the nice sales lady offered to send me a
replacement car if I sent the olds back.  I asked if it would be the same
car, she said no, but would be from the muscle series.  (didnt know they made
any other muscle cars besides the olds in the late 60's and  I accused her of
wanting my car :).

So question is, did the 69 442 come with a passenger side rearview mirror,
 which means all of the models have a defect.  Or was it not an option, and
Ertl has just used doors from a similiar model (which explains the bracket
on the passenger door?

Also, should I go buy the remaining 8 cars??  ($20.00 each)



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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Interior body work ('65 98)

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> From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Interior body work ('65 98)
> Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 6:32 PM
> 1) Anything better to use that Rustoleum on the metal parts???
I have heard Por 15 is pretty good but I havent tried it
>
>
> 3) Planning on finishing up with 3 seat belts for the rear (None came in
> the rear). Anybody have a good idea on where to mount them on the body?
> Anybody like to FAX/Email me (NOT THE LIST!!!) a picture of a late model
> setup?
Be sure to put a 1 1/2 X 1 1/2  X 1/8 steel plate under the floor with your
seat belt bolt going through the center to reinforce the floor so the floor
wont rip out if you ever have a bad wreck ( heaven forbid)
> 4) There is a grill in the middle top of the rear seat-back that can be
> used to mount a speaker. Any ideas? "Looks" like a 6X9 might fit?
I found that 2 speakers fit there in my Delta I cant remember what size
they were but only one size will fit. This let me hook up L & R but I dont
get much seperation cause they are so close together. It sounds pretty good
though.

> Now that I am writing this, I neglected to get a good look at the rear
> deck. Sooo... I'll probably have a few more questions this week.
>
> Later...
>
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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:09:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Dual conversion exhaust:

I'm a little late . . .

At the IVOC show I saw the right manifold crossover inlet blocked off, and a
pipe running through the crossover area (under oil pan, above engine
crossmember), then parallel with the single exhaust pipe, back toward the
trans crossmember hump. I didn't look underneath to see how the rest of the
pipe was fashioned. This was a pre-cat car. Chris Ruper saw a '83 H/O with a
dual setup. Chris?

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I don't intend on getting the new crossmember, I'll tell the exhaust shop
to bend the pipe under the cross-member.  Has anyone ever done this, with
what results?  Am I missing a better idea?  The car is a 75 cutlass, 455
that came with normal single exhaust...

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:14:04 -0300
Subject: Yet another IVOC show moment

I finally saw a set of those Poly-Cast wheels. They are really sharp
looking! Got a picture of them too, it cam out pretty good. These have
ovaled rectangles radiating around the outside edge of the rim. Silver in
color. Pretty neat!

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:15:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Interior body work ('65 98)

"S. STEPHENS" writes:

>I have a '68 98 convertible and the rear seat does take a 6"x9" speaker in
>my car. The dash speaker is a 4"x10" if you need that one as well.
>Glad to hear someone else is interested in the big boats besides me.
>Good luck and yell if I can answer any other questions. My knowledge isn't
>that great but I'll help if I can.
>
>Best wishes,
>Scott Stephens
>'68 98
>'41 GMC

Thanks! I already threw away the 4x10 up front... At least I can get a
decent 6x9 cheap for the rear!

Nothing like 4000+ lbs. to hold your tires to the ground! I like this car
because it will just cruise forever comfortably AND you can take it out for
an aggressive spin as well (at least that is how it is being prepped!).

Christian Fair writes:

>>
>>3) Planning on finishing up with 3 seat belts for the rear (None came in
>>the rear). Anybody have a good idea on where to mount them on the body?
>>Anybody like to FAX/Email me (NOT THE LIST!!!) a picture of a late model
>>setup?
>
>There should be mounting points at the sides and in the center of the >body.
>These take very weird size bolts. I'd be surprised if there weren't
>>threaded holes at all, maybe yours have been filled?

Already looked. There are drain holes in the bottom on each side in about
the middle of the floor. This car has spent most of it's life in the CA
desert. I can see the original paint on the interior. No filled in holes.
There is a seam that runs across the car just under the the front of the
rear seat. Another seam running across the car about 8" above the floor
behind the seat. These "look" original, and I do not know if it is a
replacement piece.

I had a friend look at it. He added rear belts to his '64 Mal*bu. On his,
although it did not come with rear belts, the holes were there. He made a
set of 1/4" steel plates for each side of the body, used RTV to seal them
to the body, and ran a big bolt thru the assembly. I have the plates (4 for
outside and 4 for inside). I will drill my own holes, but would really like
some comments on where the best place to put them would be.

>Hope my responses aren't too opinionated and are helpful.
>hasta
>cf

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 16:16:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Usenet newsgroup ?

No. Kind of glad it isn't.

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Is this list also available as a Usenet news group?

Thanks
Scott Barielle
barielle@newinfo.com
'70 442
'68 Delmont 88
(704) 553-1442

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 12:42:54 -0300
Subject: OCA Calendar of Events - LONG

Oldsmobile Club of America Calendar of Events (Updated - May 28, 1997)
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MAY
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May 31, 1997. 3rd ANNUAL PEOPLE'S CHOICE SHOW.
Hosted by Texas Gulf Coast Chapter. At Bear Creek Park, Pavillion ª1. No rain
date. $15 pre-reg, $18 day of show. 8am-3pm. Open to all makes and models.
Trophies, goody bags, t-hirts. For more info: Chuck Wood, 21034 Settlers
Valley Dr., Katy, TX 77449-4211. (281) 463-1588 after 6pm CST.

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JUNE
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June 1, 1997. BUICK, OLDSMOBILE, PONTIAC CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Northern Ohio Chapter @ West Geagua High School, 13401
Chillicothe Rd. (Rte. 306) Chesterland, OH. No rain date. Show opens at
9:00am, resistration closes at noon. Car, swap & corral spaces. For more info:
Rich Hilko, Northern Ohio Chapter, 4067 Cherokee Trail, Brunswick, OH 44212.
Ph: (330) 225-0793.

June 1, 1997. SPRING DUST-OFF.
Hosted by the Eastern Mass GMO Chapter @ Berjik Olds, 126 Highland Ave.,
Needham, MA 02194. Gates open 8:00am, registration 'til noon. $10
pre-registration, $12 day of show. Raffle table, Pot of Gold. For more info:
Bruce Sweeter, 33 Hobart St., Danvers, MA 01923, phone (508) 777-2323 or
George Berejik, 126 Highland Ave., Needham, MA 02194, phone (617) 444-4797.

June 7, 1997. SHOW AND SHINE.
Hosted by Oklahoma Oldsmobile Club. At Igloo Grill, 900 W. Memorial Rd.,
Oklahoma City, OK. Registration 10:00am. Show 11:00am to 3:30am. Registration
$5.00. No judging. Just for fun! Info: Page Waller, 11201 Blue Stern Drive,
Oklahoma City, OK 73162. (405) 722-6628.

June 14, 1997. HOMECOMING '97.
Sponsored by the R.E. Olds Chapter @ Administration Building, 920 Townsend
St., Lansing, MI. Exit 6 off 496. Car show, swap meet, arts & crafts show,
ballot judging, special awards, goodie bags, dash plaques and auction. More
info: Ken or Marsh Nicholas, 512 West Broad St., Eaton Rapids, MI 48827.
(517) 663-2397. E-mail: mnicholas@voyager.net

June 15, 1997. FATHERS DAY.
Buick, Oldsmobile and Pontiac Clubs will meet at Micke Grove Park in Lodi, CA.
 Just off Hwy 99. A small entry fee to enter the park ($4.00), bring your own
 lunch, BBQ available for your private use. Lots of grass and shade. Large
covered picnic area with tables and running water. Rest rooms nearby and also
a zoo for the children. Contact Ken Van Gundy Jr., (915) 782-3637

June 15, 1997. 8th ANNUAL BRITISH COLUMBIA OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.
>From 10:00am to 4:00pm. At the Waterfront Park in North Vancouver - 2 blocks
west of Lonsdale (and the SeaBus) on Esplanade. Open to all Oldsmobiles. Entry
 Fee $10 per vehicle ($5 per additional vehicle). Dash plaques, trophies,
door prizes. For more info: Dave Sobal, President (604) 596-1301. British
Columbia, Canada.

June 28, 1997. ANNUAL SHOW AND SHINE.
Hosted by Rockey Mountain Chapter. At Arvada City Park, for Oldsmobile,
Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac and GMC Truck. Door prizes, dash plaques, judgung and
awards. For more info: Glenn Mallory, 11551 Elm Way, Thornton, CO 80233-2744.
Phone (303) 452-5701.

June 28, 1997. 2nd ANNUAL SUMMER SHOW.
Hosted by the Blue-Gray Chapter. At Brenner Cadillac-Oldsmobile, 222 Paxton
St., Harrisburg, PA. No rain date. Pre-register by June 20. Registration
9-11am. Trophies awarded at 2pm. Registration fee $5. Mail pre-registrations
to Paul Hartlieb, 617 Mayflower Dr., Hummelstown, PA 17036. For more info:
Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr., Hummelstown, PA 17036. Phone (717) 566-3697

June 28, 1997. RENNET OLDS SHOW, MILWAUKEE.
Hosted by the Olds Club of Wisconsin. For more info: Brian McArthur (414)
662-7295 or fax (216) 663-5331

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JULY
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July 13, 1997 - OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB 1st ANNUAL SHOW.
At Ernie Swanson Oldsmobile, 410 North Crain Highway, Glen Burnie, MD.
Registration starts @ 10am, show from 11am-3pm. All Oldsmobiles Welcome. $5
registration includes dash plaque and goodie bag. Make payment to "Oldsmobile
Centennial Club". Please pre-reg by July 9. Non-judging show, but there will
be special awards given. 50/50 drawing and door prizes. Send registration to:
Brad Nicholson, ATTN: OCC Summer Show, 7 Fencerow Ct., Baltimore, MD 21236.
Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 965-3825, e-mail: brad442@erols.com. Club Web
site: http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html.

July 19, 1997. THE NORTHERN OHIO CHAPTER
Along with the City of Geneva Ohio, the birthplace of Ransom E. Olds, and
Geneva Memorial Hospital are planning a family fun filled and historical
weekend get together of Oldsmobiles. For more info: Jim Savnik (216) 663-7295
or fax (216) 663-5331

July 19,1997. 4th ANNUAL ROCKET ROUND-UP IN OLDS.
Hosted by the Northern Lights Chapter. At Olds, Alberta Canada. 12 noon to
4pm. T-shirts, Dash Plaques, OCA Judging, Trophies, Door Prizes, Vendors
(Swap Meet). Awards Banquet at the Royal Canadian Lodge in Olds. Free hot
dogs, pop and cake. Pre-registration is encouraged. Goody bags to first 75
registered. Awards include long distance and Oldsest Oldsmobile at Olds.
Sponsored by Hilebrand Olds and the town of Olds, Alberta. For more info: Ken
Pilidis, 213 Kaskitayo Ct., Edmonton, Alberta T6J 3T3 Canada. (403) 434-6335.

July 19, 1997. CLIFF WALL SHOW.
Green Bay. Hosted by the Olds Club of Wisconsin. For more info: Rick Fleury
(414) 465-1502.

July 20, 1997. OGDEN CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Rendevous Rockets. On 21st Street, Ogden, UT. Feature car is
"100 Years of Oldsmobile". No rain date. Info: Greg Childs, 615 Mutton Hollow
Road, Kaysville, UT 84037. (801) 546-3840.

July 26, 1997. UFTRING OLDS FUN SHOW.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds Chapter. At Uftring Oldsmobile, 1860
Washington Rd., Washington, IL (near Peoria). Participant Judging. For more
info: Dick Yech, 3 N 621 Locust Ave., West Chicago, IL 60185. (630) 231-0066

July 26, 1997. 13th ANNUAL PACIFIC NORTHWEST ZONE SHOW & PICNIC.
Hosted by the Puget Sound Chapter. At Frances Anderson Center, Edmonds, WA.
Show registration $10. Pre-register for banquet by July 19. Info: Bill
Iverson, 13819 139th Avenue SE, Renton, WA 98059. (206) 271-0195.

July 26, 1997. ALL OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the New England Oldsmobile Club and Alderman Cadillac-Oldsmobile. At
 Alderman Cadillac-Oldsmobile, 380 South Broad Street, Meriden, CT.
Registration $10 day of show. Register 9:00 - 10:00am. Show 10:00 am -
3:00pm. Trophies awarded at 3:00pm. For more info: Steve Minore after 5:00pm
(203) 269-9951 or Scott Platt days (203) 235-1686.

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AUGUST
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August 1-2, 1997. OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE CHAPTER MEET.
Hosted by Gem City Rockets @ Howard Johnson Motor Lodge, !-75 & Rte 122, Exit
32, Franklin, OH. No rain date. Pre-registration $10 until July 25th. Day of
show $15, 9am to noon. Dash plaques for the first 125 cars. T-shirts can be
purchased. Auction and door prizes. Cruise-In's Friday and Saturday evenings.
Open to all Oldsmobiles For info: Jim Hosey, 155 Sesame St., Springboro, OH
40566. (513) 748-3540 days. Mellissa McGrew (513) 743-0473 evenings.

August 2, 1997. SMOKY MOUNTAIN OLDS CLASSIC CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Smoky Mountain Olds Club. At the Pellissippi State College,
Knoxville, TN. Interstate 40, Exit 376A, 162 North to Oak Ridge. Travel
approximately 3 miles. Exit Hardin Valley Rd. Rain or shine. Registration
information: Non-Judging Car Show with Car Corral and Swap Meet. Door prizes
ansd special awards will be provided. Dash plaques and goodie bags will be
given to early Car Show registrants. Event time is 9:00am to 4:00pm with
awards presented at 3:30pm. Car Show and Car Corral advanced registration -
$12. After 7/21/97 and at the gate $15. Swap meet advance registration $20.
After 7/21/97 and at gate $25. Make checks payable to Smoky Mountain Olds
Club, PO Box 1543, Powell, TN 37849-1543. Info: Bob Hamby (423) 483-3783 or
Allen Maples, PO Box 1543, Powell, TN 37849-1543. Ph: (423) 938-6985.

August 3, 1997. 20th ANNUAL MINNESOTA STATE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Minnesota Chapter. At Jim Lupient Oldsmobile, (Highway 394 &
Louisiana), Golden Valley, MN. 8am to 3pm. In keeping with the spirit of
Oldsmobile's 100th anniversary, this show will be a non-judged event. The
first 150 registrants will receive a participation award. Pre-registered car
$10, day of show registration $15. Swap space $10. All Oldsmobiles welcome.
For details: Joel (612) 781-6396 or Randy (612) 434-6761.

August 3, 1997. DAS AWKSCHT FESCHT (The August Festival).
Hosted by the Blue-Gray Chapter @ Macgungie Memorial Park, Route 100,
Macungie, PA. No rain date. Pre-registration only! July 1, 1997 deadline for
registration. Open to all Oldsmobiles up to and including 1972 models only.
Participation awards are given, pre-registration was $8 in 1996. For more
info: Bob Seaman, 559 1/2 N. Locust St., Hazelton, PA 18201-4922. Phone (717)
455-8040.

August 9, 1997. OKLAHOMA OLDSMOBILE CLUB SHOW & SHINE (CENTENNIAL
CELEBRATION). The Oklahoma Oldsmobile Club participates with Eskridge
Oldsmobile, 700 W. Memorial Rd., Oklahoma City, OK, in celebration of the
100th Anniversary of Oldsmobile. Info: Page Waller, 11201 Blue Stern Drive,
Oklahoma City, OK 73162. (405) 722-6628.

August 10, 1997. ANNUAL AVERY GREENE MOTORS OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Northern California Chapters. At Avery Greene Motors, 800
Admiral Callaghan Ln., Vallejo, CA at Interstate 80 and Redwood Street exit.
This will be the kick off for the West Coast Caravan to Oldsmobile's 100th
Anniversary in Lansing, MI. Bar-B-Que held on site. For more info: (915)
782-3637

August 10, 1997. DAVE MILLER OLDS SHOW.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Chapter. At Dave Miller Oldsmobile, 4550 W.
Lincoln Hwy., Matteson, IL 60443. Participant judging fun show. For more info:
 Len Osbrink, 3613 W. 123rd St., Alsip, IL 60658. (708) 597-5292.

August 11-20, 1997. THE OFFICIAL CARAVAN FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO AREA TO
LANSING, MI. For the Centennial Celebration. This is the "official" caravan
that will be accompanied by the media. Watch "Journey with Olds" for more
information. For more info: Greg Childs, 615 E. Mutton Hollow Rd., Kaysville,
UT 84037.

August 15-20, 1997. AN ALTERNATIVE CARAVAN TO LANSING.
There will be four different groups leaving for the Nationals on Friday,
August 15, 1997, leaving from Los Angeles, CA, San Francisco, CA, Portland,
OR and Seattle, WA. Groups will be joining together along the way forming one
group by Illinois. Anyone along the way is welcomed and encouraged to join in
at any point. For more info: Mike Izzo on the west coast (818) 434-2656 and
Al Russell in Denver, CO area (303) 457-1079.

August 17, 1997. 14th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Northern Ohio Chapter. At Carnation Mall, Route 62, Alliance,
OH. No rain date. Show opens at 9:00am. Registration closes at noon. Awards
3:30pm. Car corral, dash plaques, door prizes. For more info: Rich Hilko,
4067 Cherokee Trail, Brunswick, OH 44212. Phone (330) 225-0793.

August 20-23, 1997. OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.
Hosted by Oldsmobile Division, General Motors Corp. Any questions about the
event, please write Bob Jarboe, Oldsmobile Centennial Manager, Oldsmobile
Division, GMC Mail Stop ª7060, 920 Townsend St., Lansing, MI 48901-5066. Fax
(517) 487-5151 or call (800) 648-6630. Housing questions or info contact
Oldsmobile Housing Bureau, PO Box 15066, Lansing, MI 48901-5066. Fax (517)
487-5151 or call (800) 648-6630.

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SEPTEMBER
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September 7, 1997. ALL OLDSMOBILE FUN CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Archway Chapter. All years are welcome and any condition.
Registration $10 day of show. Swap meet $15. Heart of St. Charles Banquet
Center, St. Charles, MO Hwy 70 & 5th St. at the Missouri River. For more info:
 Randy Masnica, 1447 Prospect Lakes Dr., Wentzville, MO 63385. (314)
332-9313. Or John Palmberger, 11366 Birmingham Ct., St. Louis, MO 63138. (314)
355-4864

September 7, 1997. 100th ANNIVERSARY ALL OLDS CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Western New York Chapter. At Jack Hayes Oldsmobile, 13090 Main
Rd., Akron, NY 14001 (Buffalo, NY). All years welcome and any condition. Door
prizes, dash plaques, awards in 23 classes, special awards. Lodging nearby.
Info: Bill Cerych, 2197 Main Rd., Corfu, NY 14036, (716) 762-9909. Or write
Jeff Hasse, Jack Hayes Oldsmobile, 13090 Main Rd., Akron, NY 14001.

September 11-14, 1997. BIG SKY MEET.
Hosted by the Rendevous Rockets. Missoula, Montana. No rain date. Rendevous
Rockets' Tour from Salt Lake City to Missoula, Montana. Info: Millie Good, Box
 351, Greenough, MT 59836. (406) 244-5293.

September 12-13, 1997 - QUAD STATE MEET.
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of Wisconsin. Dodgeville, WI. Info: Jim Lahti @
(414) 258-3814.

September 13, 1997 - 1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE. Hosted
 by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club (Future OCA Chapter). At The Big M
Restaurant/Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between
Bel Air & Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and condition
Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Open to the
public. Other vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50
drawing. Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381, e-mail: brad442@erols.com or
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370. Club Web Link
http://www/erols.com/brad442/occhome.html

September 13-14, 1997. ATLANTIC SOUTHEAST ZONE MEET
In conjunction with Fall 1997 AutoFair at Charlotte Motor Speedway. The
largest collector car event in the Southeastern US. Satyrday & Sunday Show.
Casual banquet Saturday night. Popular judging in OCA class divisions with
overall Best of Show. Olds eligible for prestigious Best of AutoFair
competition Sunday afternoon. Pre-registration is strongly advised due to
space availability and heavy show traffic, day of show is risky. Entry fee
admits car and occupants to Olds Zone Show. Hornet's Nest Region AACA Swap
Meet and Car Corral in Speedway Infield., and all AutoFair special exhibits
and attractions both days. Oldsmobile Centennial will be a large part of '97
Fall AutoFair theme so come celebrate with us after Lansing. More information
will appear in future JWO. Info: Glenn Williamson, 125 Jordan Street,
Danville, VA 24540-2633. (804) 799-2691.

September 19-21, 1997. 5th ANNUAL PACIFIC NORTHWEST ALL OLDSMOBILE WEEKEND
RALLY.
Join us for a weekend by the ocean in picturesque Parksville on Vancouver
Island, British Columbia, Canada. Activities start Friday night with a Salmon
BBQ followed Saturday by an informal show and shine and cruise to the BC
Forest Museum to ride a historic steam train. Awards dinner Saturday night.
Hosted by the British Columbia Oldsmobile Club with the Puget Sound and
Northern Light Chapters. All OCA and affiliate members welcome. Limited rooms
available. For hotel reservations call Gray Crest Seaside Resort today @
(250) 248-6513. Room rates are $73/Cdn (approx $55 US) per night.
Reservations must be made by June 30, 1997. Contact Richard Lewis at (604)
540-1874 for registration, maps and general information.

September 20,1997. 2nd ANNUAL BOP SHOW.
Hosted by the Rendevous Rockets. At Murry, Utah, City Park. No rain date. For
more info: Greg Childs, 615 E. Mutton Hollow Rd., Kaysville, UT 84037.

September 21,1997. 12th ANNUAL FALL MEET.
Hosted by the Blue/Gray Chapter. At E.O. Miller Chevrolet-Oldsmobile, 515 East
 Chocolate Ave. (US Route 422), Hershey, PA 17033. Pre-registration only by
September 13, 1997. $8. Arrive 9am to 12 noon. Trophies and door prizes
awarded by 3pm. For more info: Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr., Hummelstown, PA
17036-9215. (717) 566-3697.

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OCTOBER
- ----------
October 5, 1997. 4th ANNUAL TRUCKEE DONNER CLASSIC.
Hosted by the Northern California Chapter. At the Best Westerm Motel, 1131
State Hwy. 267, Truckee, CA. 8am-3pm. Cars to be judged must be on the show
field no later than 9am. Pre-registration required. No entries accepted day
of show. Entries must be in by Sept. 26, 1997. The entry fee is $15. You must
be an Oldsmobile Club member to show your Oldsmobile. Awards will be
presented after the show. For more info: Ken Van Gundy, Jr. (916) 782-3637.
Reservations available at the Best Western Motel at (800) 824-6385. Mention
Olds Club for special rates.

October 11-12, 1997. FIRST ANNUAL REGIONAL OLDSMOBILE SHOW AND GO DAY.
Hosted by the Rallye 350 Club. At Raceway Park in Englishtown , NJ. Racing and
 People's Choice for muffled cars on Saturday. Racing only on Sunday for
unmuffled and muffled cars. There will be a flea market also. Saturday night
will end with a buffet and awards dinner at a nearby hotel. For more info:
JoAnne Latorre (908) 276-8008 or (908) 276-4395. Registration will be
available in March.

October 12, 1997. 9th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE FALL SHOW.
Hosted by the Capitol City Rockets Chapter. At Templeton Oldsmobile, 8598
Leesburg Pike (Rt 7), Vienna, VA 22182. Help CCR wind down Oldsmobile's
birthday. Music by "Oldies 100 WBIG", food & drink, door prizes, OCA judging
available and parts department may be open w/ show specials. Pre-Reg $10 if
postmarked before 10/4/97, $12 day of show. Registration includes dash plaque,
 event t-shirt, goodie bag and door prize ticket. Please make payment to
"Capitol City Rockets". Send registration to: Dio & Barbara, Attn: CCR Fall
Show, PO Box 332, LaPlata, MD 20646. Info: (301) 934-2586 or leave a message.

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1998
- ----------
July 15-18, 1998. OCA 1998 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds Chapter. Our host hotel is the Crowne Plaza
( or on the same property) the sister hotel Holiday Inn East - Springfield IL.
Be sure to tell them you are with the Oldsmobile Club of America to get our
group rates. For the Crown Plaza call (217) 529-7777 or for the Holiday Inn
East call (217) 529-7171. For event information contact Bill & JoAnn Wagaman,
816 13th St., Rockford, IL 61104. Chapter Phone: (815) 398-6698

=================================
OTHER OLDSMOBILE CLUB'S EVENTS
- ---------------------------------
July 12-13, 1997 - 18th ANNUAL SUMMER NATIONALS.
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of Canada.. At Fanshawe Conservation Area,
London, Ontario, Canada. General Info: (519) 652-7501. Vendor Info: (519)
652-9459. For more info: Bob Casey, RR3, Ayr, Ontario N0B 1C0 Canada. (519)
632-7501.

August 20-23, 1997 - HURST/OLDS CLUB OF AMERICA'S 13th NATIONAL MEET.
Held immediately following the Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration, August
20-23. For H/OCA meet info: Judy Badgley, 304 S. Clippert, Lansing, MI 48912.
(517) 337-0444.

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/ocahome.html
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occhome.html

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:00:11 -0300
Subject: Re: some questions

Jeff- using the formula that goes way back figuring hp derived from mph and
vehicle weight (w/ driver) goes like this---
3800 lbs- 287 hp
3900 lbs- 293 hp
4000 lbs- 303 hp
4100 lbs- 310 hp
The formula is-- hp= (mph/234)^3



=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Richard <raf@cmpu.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:58:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Ertl model 69 442

Jeff Dick wrote:
>
> Just picked up the Ertl Collectible 1969 442 W-30 Die cast metal car
>
> So question is, did the 69 442 come with a passenger side rearview mirror,

Jeff I have a 69 442 and it did not come with a passenger side rear view
mirror.....that doesn't mean, that it could have been a optional or
special order item!


>  which means all of the models have a defect.  Or was it not an option, and
> Ertl has just used doors from a similiar model (which explains the bracket
> on the passenger door?
>
> Also, should I go buy the remaining 8 cars??  ($20.00 each)

What colors are the cars?

Richard Fuqua
69 442 M-22 455

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From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 17:03:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Interior body work ('65 98)

If your rear seat has no obvious seat belt mounting holes look for
dimples in the approx area where the bolts would go.  I faced the same
dilema on my '63 convertible starfire and after doing some checking in
the service guild bulletins (dealership mechanics newsletter) found out
that all Olds in 63 had dimp[les in the sheet metal where holes should
be drilled for seatbelts - this may apply to your '65 also.  Good Luck!
John

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:22:39 -0300
Subject: W-30 inspiration - a little non Olds

So I was checking out the Dakota over the weekend when I noticed the air
cleaner hose runs to the grill. Hmmm, as a 66-69 W-30 OAI vision appears.
But the grill has a flat plastic piece blocking air directly from the
grill, leaving about 3/4" space between the hose and the plastic plate.
This forces air to be drawn from the sides - a pretty severe restriction I
think.

Turns out the plastic plate comes out after the grill is taken off. I'm
pretty sure this plastic plate is there to block water spray from being
sucked into the engine. Maybe this removal is part of the R/T performance
package. I added some screen to block any bugs in the way :). The engine
did seem to gasp under different acceleration conditions. Maybe I gained a
few ponies.

Turning my attention to the other side, I notice the radiator support has
an identical cutout made into the outside of the two piece support, but the
inside is uncut. One of these days I'll have to fabricate or obtain a dual
snorkel air cleaner, another hose, and cut that square out.

I haven't had enough time to test the modification. Sorry, it was close to
Olds.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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From: "Richard Rodriguez" <Inkdick@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:06:09 -0300
Subject: RE: About my Oldsmobile..

I did have a oil problem but have since taken care of that...This car didn't
leak anyy oil that's why I bought it...Now I have to replace the valve cover
gaskets because I blew them out..What about this shroud thing...What are you
telling me about wetter water??

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca on behalf of KarlAunan@aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 11:13 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: About my Oldsmobile..

In a message dated 97-05-26 22:37:23 EDT, you write:

>
>  I have a 1971Delta88custom..I have been having a problem with it over
>  heating..I have changed out the thermostat,Radiator,water pump and various

>  hoses..I really love this car and NEED it..Please send help...What should
I
>  try next...Seems as though it isn't circulating very good...HELP!
>
>
Danny mentioned the fan shroud. I do not have a fan shroud (missing) for my
425 and even though I use Water Wetter (which I have noticed does help it run
cooler), the engine will run very hot if the oil is low. This is a recurring
situation because I am putting off a ring job that I rather need......

On such occasions my oil light would not come on but the engine would runn
hot even if it were a cool day.

But it is just my two farthings...

Hope this helped.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

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From: "Richard Rodriguez" <Inkdick@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:15:48 -0300
Subject: RE: About my Oldsmobile..

Well you have alot of good questions!! I only changeed out these parts to
solve the troubles...Although A good tune-up sounds like a good idea..I have a
 rough running car..It takes a while to warm up and going around turns it
seems like the carb is screwwing up...(pops and almost stalls the car) I
really don't like this 2-barrel...I have another olds. in my garage that I
have been picking parts off of...(radiator,water pump) The radiator fit okay
but I'm not sure about the rows..I'll have to check that out..And the car
seems to over heat just riding around my sub-division..No light, just boiling
over.....I really want to fix this problem myself but it's almost to the
point of getting a professional to do it..Thank you for your help and another
response would be much welcomed..

Richard in Texas!
- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca on behalf of Robert J. Barry
Sent: Monday, May 26, 1997 11:57 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: About my Oldsmobile..

At 08:47 PM 5/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> I have a 1971Delta88custom..I have been having a problem with it over
>> heating..I have changed out the thermostat,Radiator,water pump and various
>> hoses..I really love this car and NEED it..Please send help...What should I
>> try next...Seems as though it isn't circulating very good...HELP!

When is it overheating, all the time, at highway speeds only, at low speeds
only? And when you say it is overheating, do you mean that the temp light
comes on and fluid starts boiling out the radiator?

If it gets hot only at low speeds, I'd suspect a bad fan clutch. Mine went
on my 403, and replacing it completely solved it's tendency to run hot on
even moderately warm days.

If it runs hot only at highway speeds, you may be running the car much too
lean (plugged jet in the carburetor, maybe?), or have an engine block that
is too clogged up with junk, or have a blown head gasket (or heaven forbid,
a cracked block or head).

If it runs hot all the time, I'd suspect the new water pump is not doing its
job, or the thermostat is faulty (not opening).

Also, when you changed out the parts you mentioned, was this before the
overheating started, or in order to cure the overheating? Is the radiator
you just put in _at_least_ as big as the original one, in terms of the
number of rows of tubes?

In any case, have the system flushed out, run a 50/50 mix of
antifreeze/water, double-check the thermostat or replace it, pressure-test
the cooling system for leaks, and give the engine a good tune-up, to make
sure it is able to run well within factory specs.

Let us know how things turn out!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 18:16:27 -0300
Subject: Re: New Conv. Top

Hydro-Electric has a video on how to replace a top and I think it costs
$39.95 or $49.95.  Anyway,  I think you can return the video after using it
and if I remember right get back like half? of your money.  I suppose you
could always buy it, copy in and return it, but you didn't hear that from
me :)  I don't have the number handy, but can get it if interested.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback



Hi All,
I'm looking into replacing my first convertible top in the next couple of
weeks, and I was wondering if there was a good reference manual for this
procedure. I have seen ads for videos on the subject, but the price is
pretty steep (pushing $50.00). Does anyone have a review? Any advice would
be greatly appreciated.
TIA
Ray
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 Conv.

------------------------------

From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:14:51 -0300
Subject: Dallas Car Shows

>
> If anybody is interested in any car shows in the D/FW area please
> Email me and I will be glad to give you the ones I know of. Let me know
> if anybody is going to any, and tell me of any I might not know of after
> I post the other shows if anybody wants them posted.
>
> P.S. What is the Y-60 option?  :)
>   Thanks,
>           RS
>         '70 442 4-SPEED W-25  :)

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 19:24:26 -0300
Subject: ROCKET TALK

>
> I talked to Ken on Rocket Talk today.  :)
> I went back about 20 different times today and nobody was on! :(
>  We need to schedule a meeting there one of these days!! |)
> A meeting would be cool if we could arrange a time. I will be in there
> periodically for as long as I'm here! I will be there as oneolds442.
> Other than the fact that hardly anyone is on it Rocket talk is
> awesome!!  :)
> >
> >
> >           RS
> >         '70 442 4-speed W-25

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:37:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Interior body work ('65 98)

- ----------
> From: S. STEPHENS <sstephen@NMSU.Edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Interior body work ('65 98)
> Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 10:07 PM
>
> I have a '68 98 convertible and the rear seat does take a 6"x9" speaker
in
> my car. The dash speaker is a 4"x10" if you need that one as well.
> Glad to hear someone else is interested in the big boats besides me.
>
Our kids call our 66 Delta convertible the Land Yacht LOL
>
>

------------------------------

From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:40:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Ertl model 69 442

At 12:05 PM 5/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Just picked up the Ertl Collectible 1969 442 W-30 Die cast metal car from
>American Toy Warehouse.  Opened up and while it looks like there is a mount
>for a  passenger side rearview mirror the car didnt have one.  First thought
>was that it had broke off in shipping,  went back to the store and none of
>the ones they had had one.
>
>Called up Ertl this morning and they said this model was discontinued a year
>ago (store had 8 in stock), but the nice sales lady offered to send me a
>replacement car if I sent the olds back.  I asked if it would be the same
>car, she said no, but would be from the muscle series.  (didnt know they
>made any other muscle cars besides the olds in the late 60's and  I accused
>her of wanting my car :).
>
>So question is, did the 69 442 come with a passenger side rearview mirror,
> which means all of the models have a defect.  Or was it not an option, and
>Ertl has just used doors from a similiar model (which explains the bracket
>on the passenger door?
>
>Also, should I go buy the remaining 8 cars??  ($20.00 each)
>
>
>
  I purchased the same '69 442 and noticed the little plug where a mirror
would normally go on the passenger side but the '69 442 doesn't have a right
side mirror.  You see, they also produced a white w/gold '69 HO at the same
time which does have right and left side mirrors so I'd have to surmise that
both came out of the same mold and then they plugged the right side mounting
hole on the 442.

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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From: sytsma@gzinc.com (Sytsma, Dennis)
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C repair Scam's buyer beware!

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> >My car threw a a/c
> >belt last night which took off the other belts. I recommend carrying
> >spare belts and tools to change them. At 1 am thats what got me home.
> >
> >I will replace the belts, and take another look at the a/c system. I may
> >have to replace the expansion tube after all.
> >
> >dennis
>
> I checked out that R406A page last night.  They'd mentioned something about
> the R12/R406A... and the R134A's oils being completely incompatible.  If
> mixed, they break down, and compressor failure is usually rapidly eminant.
> I ~hope~ that's not what you've encounterred.  If a compressor siezes up,
> you'll smoke the belt in a hurry, which would eventually throw the belt
> somewhere else, and likely take the rest off with it.  Starting to sound
> familiar?  :(  A friend lost the compressor on his '68 Newport.  I'd just
> given his car a tune up, so he took it on a road trip to see how it would
> go.  The compressor gave out at about 115 mph, he said.  He heard two
> ~really~ loud cracks (both belts smacking the hood) and pulled over.  The
> smoke from the belt left enough of a cloud to block traffic in both
> directions for about ten minutes!!!  The compressor had thrown both rods (I
> made one of em into a keychain...  Kinda cool...)  Anyway, check to see if
> the compressor will turn now.  I'll keep my fingers crossed.  If it's
> lunched, find a different one, clean out the system (get all the chunks out
> of circulation...  Can't remember what all this requires, I seem to recall
> it's not pleasant, though)  I think you'll need to get the expansion valve
> out of there, just for cleaning, but I can't remember for sure.  I'd go
> with the R406A, it looks like a decent product, and likely to be much
> cheaper than R12, and much more effective than R134.  This stuff uses the
> same mineral oil as R12, so you won't have that worry.  I'd imagine a used
> compressor would suffice just fine.  Definately want to change the
> filter/drier just prior to filling the system.  I see that R406A is charged
> in as a liquid on the low side.  Have to be ~really~ careful with ~that~
> procedure...  Anyway, good luck.  Keep us posted as events progress...  :)
>
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
>              500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>              Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "FAST FWD" (Soon)     | '67 Toronado 425
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
Hi Charley;

The clutch on the A/C failed today. I made sure that 12 volts across the
clutch exists. I will see if it is open later.  I intend to pull the
comressor, change the clutch, drain the oil, replace the exapansion tube
for good measure, refill with R134a oil, and recharge.  The R406 is a
good idea, but I will see If it is availble here in local stores first.

I failed to mention, the entire car is not worth $200.00, but I am
having a hell of a good time trying to fix it. And learning alot in the
process.

If my brother can figure something else out to avoid this, my plans will
change again.  It will have to wait, he is having a bad day, a tractor
he is working on had a expensive failure, and he is not in a good mood.


Car problems aside, not altogether a bad day. I went fishing off
Homestead today. Boat ran great!  Caught a small mahi mahi (also called
dolphin or doldo), So I got dinner.  Marine Radio was alive with fish
stories,  According to local experts, it is the right time of year for
this in South Florida.

 we should have done better, but I should have tried a different bait.
Severe weather made us give up early. My  Boat has a merCruiser 1989 470
(3.7L, 224 C.I. 165 HP 4 Cyl alumimum block made by GM with A Ford 460
head). Are there any Marine Engine internet disscussion groups that you
can suggest to me?

 --
The Sytsma's,
mailto:Sytsma@Gzinc.com
Ruled by the Zapper,
mailto:ZapperI@Juno.com


visit our web page

http://home.gzinc.com/sytsma/

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:40:25 -0300
Subject: How do you build a hot tank?

How do you build a hot tank???

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:57:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear-end ?

OL>The 69 H/O cam was basically the same cam as the Toro.  No radical
OL>monster here.  I'm not sure of the part number but it was something like
OL>.472 lift with 285/287 (I think) duration, int/exh timing at 24-81/74-33
OL>respectively.  The 68 H/O non-air cam was the ª402194 cam with
OL>advertised .474 lift, 308 duration.  Really cool idle sound too.  This
OL>cam was used in the 69 and 70 W-31, and W-30 auto cars too.

OL>Mike Rothe

ª402194 cam was used in '68 W-31, Hurst ex. CAC,  '69 and '70 W-31

'68 and '69 Toro used ª400165 285/287 dur.  .472/.472 lift
'70 W-30 stick used ª402569  328/328 dur. .475/.475 lift
'71 W-30 stick used ª409759 294/296 dur. .472/.472 lift

The info I have isn't to clear on wich is the W-30 auto cam so I didn't
include them. Hope this helps.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:57:44 -0300
Subject: Re:  Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"

OL>Try Originality Plus in Rancho Cucamonga California - 909/555-1212
OL>(information).  They supposedly have practically everything from 62 up.


OL>Lisa Madsen

OL>Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
OL>, '72 Vista Cruiser project

OL>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

OL>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

I've called this place three times for molding for my car. They weren't
sure what they had so they said they would go look and call me back and
they never did. Three strikes there out as far as getting any money from
me.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 20:57:42 -0300
Subject: Re: About my Oldsmobile..

OL>Danny mentioned the fan shroud. I do not have a fan shroud (missing) for my
OL>425 and even though I use Water Wetter (which I have noticed does help it
ru OL>cooler), the engine will run very hot if the oil is low. This is a
recurring OL>situation because I am putting off a ring job that I rather
need......

OL>On such occasions my oil light would not come on but the engine would runn
OL>hot even if it were a cool day.

OL>But it is just my two farthings...

OL>Hope this helped.

OL>Karl Aune
OL>1965 Dynamic 88
OL>Chicago, IL


You don't have a fan shroud because it didn't come from the factory with
one. When the engine is low on oil there wont be enough oil going across
the bearings which in turn creates friction which creates heat and can
cause it to over heat and that could be the least of your problems.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:49:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Ertl model 69 442

Jeff Dick wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> So question is, did the 69 442 come with a passenger side rearview mirror,
>  which means all of the models have a defect.  Or was it not an option, and
> Ertl has just used doors from a similiar model (which explains the bracket
> on the passenger door?
>
> Also, should I go buy the remaining 8 cars??  ($20.00 each)

The 69 H/O has mirrors on both sides, the 442 model doesn't.  They used
they same castings for both, and put in a filler on the 442.
In a year or two they'll probably go for $50...
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:58:07 -0300
Subject: Re: ROCKIT TALK

'Aye!  9:30 p.m., EST is fine by me!

Jim Chermack



At 10:43 AM 5/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>We need to set up a time to get on to Rockit Talk!!   ALL IN
>FAVOR!!!!!!!
>
>  RS
>'70 442 4-speed W-25
>

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:06:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Dual conversion exhaust:

Check your crossmember, it may already be a "dual hump" crossmember.
Some single exhaust cars had them; my Olds does.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com


>>      Well, I wouldn't run it under the cross-member because not only
>would
>> it look like hell from a side view but clearance to ground becomes a
>> problem.

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:06:28 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

Well, what's the adjustment??  Give it up!


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com


>I just read an article in the '67 Service Guild about "fluttering"
>speedometer needles.  There is an adjustment that can be made in the
>regulator.
>Paul Hartlieb

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 21:16:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello sucks

OL>Right:

OL>* "Roller timing chains made for Oldsmobiles are notoriously inaccurate,
and OL>thus you should degree in any camshaft that you install." I found this
to be OL>*very* true; the aftermarket true-roller timing set I installed was
4' OL>retarded, as installed straight up. Had I not taken Mondello's advice,
my OL>engine would have different power characteristics than it does now.

A lot of factory and stock replacement type cams are ground 4 degrees
retarded to keep low rpm emissions down.

OL>Wrong:

OL>* The second bit of wisdom that I question, based on a post to this list
OL>back in its early days, is the value of Mondello's tap-in block
restrictors. OL>As the list member pointed out, a quick scan of the
oiling-system diagram OL>found in most Olds shop manuals will reveal that all
these restrictors do is OL>restrict the oil feed to the *cam* bearings, and
they do nothing at all, I OL>repeat, NOTHING WHATSOEVER, to restrict oil flow
to the top end of the OL>engine. Now, it may be very valuable to keep more oil
in the main bearings OL>(off of which the cam bearings are fed), but the same
restriction can be OL>accomplished by drilling a smaller hole in the cam
bearings and installing OL>them with that hole pointing to the oil feed. In no
sense, however, can OL>those restrictors be called "top end" restrictors; for
that, you would need OL>restricted pushrods. The better solution, that has
been offered on this OL>list, is to let the oil flow to the top, but run an
external drain line to OL>feed the oil flow directly back to the oil pan. This
is not a tip you'll OL>pick up from listening to Joe Mondello, though.

According to my Oldsmobile in Action book. "The three intersecting oil
holes at the block's top front crank journal connect the right and left
side lifter bore galleries and the front cam bearing". I would think
restricting oil to the lifters bore galleries would also restrict oil
going to the top of the engine? Isn't the cam considered part of the top
end?

OL>_______________________________________________________
OL>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
OL>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:40:01 -0300
Subject: Re: 425 bump-stick

In a message dated 97-05-27 20:45:40 EDT, you write:

>
>  Great, Im gonna go to the Edelbrock site right now and ask.  As for
>  the part number it is a ª2152 cam, performer-plus cam.
>
>
OK, I checked the site out the other day. This is the camshaft/lifters/lube
package of the Edelbrock Performer Pro camshaft package. It is recommended
for Oldsmobiles of 1967 and later (no doubt to account for valvetrain angles
of earlier cars). The reason this works relatively well in the 45 degree
blocks is that the firing order is correct and that at the critical moments (
e.g. TDC ) the overlap (39 degree cam in a 45 degree block) is a miniscule 3
degrees early/late which should not cause serious conflicts. I suspect that
if this was a more radical cam, instead of slightly improved over stock, that
using the 39 degree cam could cause backfire through the carburetor due to
the intake valve still being open at ignition. In your particular setup, I
would not worry about it. Mind you, this is really just my opinion, my own
personal knowledge on cams is wanting.

BTW someone please reprimand me if I am wrong.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

(e.g. Reincarnation) Is it too late for me to come back as a 1966 W-30 442?

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:21:48 -0300
Subject: test-ignore (list has been *too* quiet today...)

I told you to _ignore_ this; boy, some people just don't listen... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:32:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Desktop Dyno and my carb/cam situation

Some Dyno Specs....

>
>  Comp Cams 305Hyd.                                       Mondello 40
>  Solid
>  .540 252@.050                                           .562 264@.050
>  .540 252@.050                                           .594 271@.050
>
>      HP                        RPM                           HP
>  368                          4000                       371
>  433                          4500                       445
>  488                          5000                       504
>  529                          5500                       545
>  542                          6000                       567
>  542                          6500                       570
>  528                          7000                       554
>  504                          7500                       543
>
>
>  If I swap the 850's for 650's there is no difference below 4500rpm but
>  from 4500-7000rpm horsepower really suffers.  How much stock should I
>  put in this
>  Dyno software?
>
>  Ken
>
>
>
Firstly, I agree with Chuck in stressing the low end. For my money, the
launch is the most critical part of racing. And now for some comments on
desktop dyno's.

Karl Aune's Top Ten  (OK Five!)Caveat's for Desktop Dynomomesopes

 (or something....)


5) Wind resistance.

        I believe it was the engine performance web site by Bowling that I
first saw this mentioned and it made a lot of sense to me. It was a
prerequisite for their simplified dyno calculations that you approximate the
size of your front end as an approximation of wind resistance (as I
remember). I knew at that time that I would find the program hopelessly
inaccurate as I had no idea of what the cross-sectional are of my front end
was.

4)  Ignition/timing.

      I have never really tried a dektop dyno. But try telling me that what
you are using for timing will be exactly the same for me (if same setup) if I
use the same advance and dwell and I will give you a busted knuckle
(steering).  How do you know how well your plugs are firing? Have you seen
them fire? Yes your timing may be the optimum for your car, but desktop dynos
are usually generic. Meaning for all cars. Not specifically for Oldsmobiles.
Imagine the broad range of possibilities the program has to approximate.


3) Inertia.

     (From Newton's laws) This is the tendency at rest to stay at rest and
the tendency of objects in motion to stay in motion (why some small spheres
will not stop rolling). Example; why that quarter you dropped does not stop
untill it rolls so far away from you that it is impossible to retrieve it.

2) Mass.

      Do you really know what your car weighs? I am willing to bet that with
the spare tire, oil (10W-30 and 20W-50), tools, jackstands, floor jack, wiper
and brake fluids, and miscellaneous other items, that my car may weigh a full
200 pounds (not including driver) over what it did when it rolled off the
assembly line in Lansing. As for the relevance of mass to performance.
Velocity = feet per second. Accelleration = net change of velocity per
second. Force = mass X accelleration. Torque = mass X accelleration X w,
     where w is the angle of rotation. I am typing these concepts off the top
of my head and have no intention of going into the whole question of angular
accelleration tonight.



1) Friction, friction, friction.

    No matter how many variables your program takes into account, friction is
an unpredictable animal. How can anyone count the possible sources of
internal friction, let alone quantify them? E.g. Crank, cam, piston, and
wheel bearings. Piston and rings to cylinder. Tires to road. Valves to
shafts. Pushrods to lifters. Lifters to cam. And how the amount of crap
floating around in your engine can affect it.


Perhaps I am overly critical, but that's my view.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Economical Garage Repairs?

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