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oldsmobile-digest          Wednesday, 7 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 651

Re: 2.25" exhaust
Hot Rod Power Tour
Re: Carb question
Re: New England get together
Re: W30 rods
RE: G- body interior chrome
For Sale
RE: Carb question
Drive to work
Re: GTO means....
Re: Lights
Re: Rockit ran again
Re: Rear-end
GTO means...Wrong, but
Re: Attention!!! All 70 442 W-30 owners
Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)
Re: 1964 V.C. Hood Letters - A Challenge!
Re: 70 delta 88 convertible
Re[2]: G-body interior chrome
Re: HESITATION WHEN ACCELERATING/75 350/4 BBL.
Re: steering wheel
Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set
Tire size for 77 Olds
Re: Catalytic converter
Re: Lights
Mint '87 442:How much is too much?
Re: '78 Olds Delta 88, suspension tips
Re: Upcoming event...
Re: Lights
50's olds
Re: blockhugger headers, olds
Re: Getting the boot.
Re: GTO means...Wrong, but
Volunteerism?
Re: Rockit ran again
Re: GTO means...Wrong, but
Re: Volunteerism?
2.25 tail pipes
Re: Lights
Presidential rides
Front spkr finally in
Re: A/C Ooops
68 442 headlight panels
Re: 50's olds
Re: Lights
Abandoned Tows, was Re: Rockit ran again
Carb question
Re: Posi Differentials and Synthetic Gear Lube
RE:Front spkr finally in
Re: Drive to work
Re: Carb question
Re: What G.T.O. means
Re: GTO means...Wrong, but
Flare Nuts & Wrenches Etc.
Re: Tire size for 77 Olds
Ch*vy 454 in a 1984 Cutlass?????????
Re: steering wheel
Quad-4 Exhaust

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From: "Mullen, R. Scott" <r_mullen@merck.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:46:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 2.25" exhaust

Eric A. wrote:
>Although a bottleneck of 2.25 inches minimizes flow gains of a 2.5 inch
>exhaust, hot expanding exhaust travelling all the way along your car will
>still get better flow with the bigger pipe, much like a bigger garden
>hose will get more flow even when fed through a small in-house plumbing pipe.

Don't forget that as the gas travels away from the engine, it gets
cooler (and denser) and thus requires less area to maintain the same
flow rate.  Using a smaller tailpipe (2 or 2.25 inch) is not the huge
power loss some people think it is.

I have a copy of an article from a Pontiac enthusiast magazine that is
an excellent source of data on the effects of mufflers/crossover
pipes/pipe diameter.  As I recall, this article proved that a 3" system
with 2.5" tailippes had rthe same power output as a full 3" system.
Maybe that's why the factory had 2.25" headpipes and 2" tailpipes.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:54:41 -0300
Subject: Hot Rod Power Tour

Hey All,

Is there anyone out there going on the Hot Rod Magazine Power
Tour? It starts on Thursday the 8th, leaves from the LA and continues across
the country and ends up on the 17th just outside of Detroit.

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)  OCAª 4903

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:44:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

At 10:19 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Well the 442 has about 600 miles on it since I droped the motor in this
>>spring.  My problem is I think its running too rich.  There is a nice bit of
[snip]
>>racer.  He said it had been rebuilt before.  Concerned about what jets and
>>metering rods were in it, I took it apart today.  The primary jets were ª58
>>and the secondary metering rods were AX, there are no primary metering rods.
>>The idle mixture screws when I took it apart today were backed out 3 turns
>>from lightly seated, I backed them out to 6 turns and it seems the "bucking"
>>has decreased a little.  Any suggestions.
>>
>>Scott Jerdan
>>70 W-30, 4-Speed
     ^^^^
>
>        The problem is the carb sounds lean. Put the primary metering rods
>back in the carb and install a minimum primary jet of 70 or 71. I run 74's
>with primary metering rods and CC secondary mertering rods in my big block.
>This gives the plugs a perfect light brown appearance. The only carb Olds
>put on a car without primary metering rods were in W-31's. For good street
>performance I would put them back in. The difference you noted at highway

Well, this came up when I posted the FAQ info on Q-jet jets and rods;
neither the W-31 nor the W-30 Quadrajets (1970 only) used primary metering
rods (so Scott, you've got a stock-jetted W-30 carb there). My info comes
from the big ol' AC-Delco Part ª9X Carburetor library.

Now, depending on which cam you are now using, you may in fact want to move
to a 4-bbl jet/metering rod primary system (you've got 2-bbl jets in there
now), to take advantage of the tuning ability that a power-valve system
provides. This would be easiest with a non-W carb; save yours for
restoration, and use any other pre-emissions core.

What are the specs on the cam in your motor? Is it a stock W-30 cam? How
recent is the engine rebuild? The black on the trumpets also could be oil
burning; perhaps you've got rings or guides going bad?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:44:44 -0300
Subject: Re: New England get together

At 11:44 PM 5/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I was just wondering if the meeting at Berejick's this Saturday was still
>on.  I hadn't seen anything about it lately on the list.

Well, I had proposed this idea, but Sat., May 10 is going to be impossible
for me, since I'll be out of town due to a family event that I *cannot* miss
(I have been informed of this!). So Bill, if you and others want to get
together that day, you all have my blessings, but I can't be there :(

I would be free on subsequent weekends, however. I may even have Toro ª2 up
and registered by then!

OTOH, Bill, if you want to swing by here, or maybe make a run through the
ABC yard (I need a PS pump and box) on perhaps Thursday morning, e-mail me
and we can set something up, and get together before you head out for the
summer.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Mullen, R. Scott" <r_mullen@merck.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:04:00 -0300
Subject: Re: W30 rods

> I know the weights ofthe original cast pistons and the wrist pins from
Mondello's ref. >manual,does anyone have the rod weights handy?
 >Thanks.
 >Paul Brillhart

Paul,
I have an original '70 455 rod with a weight of 850 gms.  I only weighed
one, so take that as typical (maybe?).
Scott Mullen

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:53:00 -0300
Subject: RE: G- body interior chrome

Mike-the G-body's all did this. My Monte SS did it. I really don't have an
answ er to solve it tho. Most of the people who had this happen to then just
peeled it all off and either painted it solver or just left it alone.
Apparently, the plastic is too soft for the chrome to stick to it.






=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:29:54 -0300
Subject: For Sale

Hi All,
    I just talked to a friend of mine last night and he is wanting
to sell his 1959 Olds Super 88 Rag Top. I have never seen the car
yet so cant tell you much other than it is a good driver, has the
4 speed automatic and has the 394 V-8 engine. If interested call
him at 402-564-5336 Columbus, NE. He is asking $6500.00 but will talk.
His name is Kevin.

Tom

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From: Harry Lorencic <hlorencic@alpo.casc.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:35:01 -0300
Subject: RE: Carb question

From: James & Joanne Chermack[SMTP:chermac@exis.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 1997 10:19 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Carb question


The only carb Olds
put on a car without primary metering rods were in W-31's.
Jim Chermack

Jim and others,

All '70 W-31's and '70 4-speed W-30 carbs did not have primary metering
rods and power piston assembly (carb ª's 7040255 and 7040256 respectively).
There is no way to insert a power piston with primary rods as the carb body is
 cast with the hole plugged.

- -Harry
'70 Cutlass S W-31

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:16:43 -0300
Subject: Drive to work

Hi all,

Well my car ran peppier today after the exhaust upgrade.  I did my
infamous 0-60 test again.  Before today I was doing it in 16 seconds.
Today I got around 13 seconds.  That's cool.

Later...

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:55:34 -0300
Subject: Re: GTO means....

At 04:01 PM 5/5/97 -0300, you wrote:
><<I remember asking my dad, "what does G.T.O. stand for?"  He
>replied, "Get Them Oldsmobiles".  After yesterdays discussion I now
>understand why he said that.  >>
>
>I remember kidding a buddy with a "Goat" that it was actually a
>recommendation -
>
>"Go To Olds."
>
>Bob Handren        OCA/OCFª 7728
>'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
>Oviedo, FL
>

  The story I got was DeLorean(?sp.) had to convince the higher ups that
people wanted the GTO, so he went around to dealerships with a prototype to
impress the salesmen.  When the big brass asked him to prove it would sell,
he said to his secretary "Get Those Orders"

  Paul Brillhart

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 11:57:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Lights

>O.K., I got one for you!  Why wouldn't my 69 442 start when I had
>the head lights on? As soon as I turned off the lights the car
>started.  With the lights on,  it dosen't seem to get power (not
>even a click).  Help, any ideas?
        ^^^^^
I'd say your starter solenoid is on its last legs, and the headlamps
sop up just enough power to bring the available current down below
what's needed to close the contacts.

But before you buy any new parts, clean up your battery cables (at
both ends of each) and check your starter solenoid connections to
make sure they're clean and tight.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:00:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Rockit ran again

>I keep my fleet ~fairly~ mobile (At very minimum I ~push~ them
>around every week or so, just so I can say they've moved.

"It's not abandoned, officer. Just last week I rotated the tires!"

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Corey W. Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 05:13:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear-end

Re: two letter codes
I know that they are stamped on the passenger side of the axle.  I
can't seem to find them.  What is the usual location of this marking?

Corey D
dayc@ix.netcom.com
70 Cutlass S








James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 11:57 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >Last week there were posts about rear-end ratios that got me thinking. I
> >had no idea what gears were in my car. So today I had a little free time
> >and thought, I'll put the car on stands, spin the drive-shaft 10 times
> >and count how many times the tires turn, right? Well that's exactly what
> >I did. I counted 12, so I did it over a couple of times. A 13 and
> >another 12, no way. That's a 1.2?-1 ratio. So now I'm a little freaked
> >out. I went to the parts store picked up some gear oil came home and
> >pulled the cover off. What I saw was a Ring gear w/41 teeth and a Drive
> >pinion w/32 teeth. I didn't count the teeth on the Differential gears
> >but my guess now would be around 20 each. My Questions are, is this
> >really a 1.28 to 1 rear-end? What other rear gears were stock in 69 for
> >the 350/350? What ratio should I be looking for?
> >Anyway I went to put it back together and I was missing one piece, a new
> >gasket. Not an easy find. Finally NAPA of all places had one. I go
> >there, they dont have it they have some stuff I can 'cut-to-fit', No
> >thanks. I ended up using a liquid gasket, I don't remember the name but
> >its red, then I ordered two gaskets because I don't know what Axle I
> >have(HELP).
> >
> >Thanks
> >Pat McDermott
> >69 Cutlass 'S'
> >
>
> Pat
>
>         What you probably counted with 32 teeth wer the side gears. If you
> look at the ring gear it will have the numbers stamped on it for the ring
> and the pinion. 41 is a good number for the ring. With this number on the
> ring you have one of two gears in the car. A 2.56:1 (most common in a non
> performance Cutlass) or a 3.42:1 ratio (common in 442's) If the rear is NOT
> a anti-spin it is definetly a 2.56:1. This is what I suspect you have
> because you got about a 1.2 when you turned the wheel and counted. You have
> tho multiply this times two on a open rear to get the approximate ratio.
> Hope this helps.
>
> Jim Chermack

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From: "Stubblefield, Lyndall (lstu)" <lstu@chevron.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:18:41 -0300
Subject: GTO means...Wrong, but

Nice try guys...very imaginative, keep those ideas flowing.  Here is the
answer:  GTO=Gran(d) Turismo Official or if you are a Ferrari fan (yes
they build GTO's too) GTO=Gran(d) Tourismo Omlagato

Have fun...A Pontiac lover too

Lyndall
70 1/2 Trans Am, 455, 11 sec. 1/4
In search of long lost 70 442 W-30
(One of 120 Sport Coup automatics made <:-()

>

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From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:41:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Attention!!! All 70 442 W-30 owners

>I am looking for this car, not just any car but the one with the
>following VIN
>
>VIN:  344770M201645
>
>If you currently own this car or know of it whereabouts please contact
>me via email at lstu@chevron.com or lrstubble@paranet.com
>
>Any help that you can provide would be GREATLY appreciated.
>Thanks it advance for your help,
>
>Desperately Seeking



My 70 442 W-30 VIN is 344770M211385 pretty close but no cigar!  Sorry I
can't help  :(   It is interesting that you are looking for a post coupe
car.  I thought I had the only one!  :)

Good luck on your hunt!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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                                        Tony Waldner
tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us                   Northeast Metro 916
                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
                                         White Bear Lake, MN
                                                       55110

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 12:46:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)

Chris; The lighter spring goes on the primary APT pistonand the heavier
spring goes on the power system as you call it.
Scott Kozler
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:02:36 -0300
Subject: Re: 1964 V.C. Hood Letters - A Challenge!

I have posted this before. Vic Chetcuti has NOS  hood letters ( OLDSMOBILE)
missing the 'B" and "I". His E-mail is vchetcut@mustang.uwo.ca
This is his daughter's mail, so put in care of Vic.He was asking $ 80 for
them.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: AWalker564@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:02:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 delta 88 convertible

We currently have two that need replating and were hoping to find a couple of
nice ones.  Thanks

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 05:27:42 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: G-body interior chrome

     I have seen chrome (and gold, any many other colors) of pinstriping
     tape in different widths in craft stores around here.  I saw an
     aquaintance using some on a craft project and I thought it looked
     great!  You might try looking at a craft store.

     Several years ago I caught our kid in my '79 (about 5yo at the time)
     peeling the stuff off from next to the rear seat.  He's lucky he's
     still alive!

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: G-body interior chrome Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    5/6/97 10:07 PM


At 11:53 PM 5/6/97 -0300, Nick Lamboy wrote:
c,
>> > and I don't think standard plastic re-chroming would work.  I figure I'm
>> > not the only one that has run into this, since the interior doesn't see
>> > the sun very often, and hasn't in over 10 years.  The rest of the
>> > interior remains mint.  ANY IDEAS??????
>> >
>> > Mike Rothe
> Well Mike. The same thing happened to my 83 Hurst as has happened to
>you. My chrome strips started coming of when I had brought out after a
>winter storage. They began to flake and curl in and ugly fashion. Since
>I have a few other interior problems I remove all of the flackey
>material and chalked it up as another reason to restore the interior

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:10:23 -0300
Subject: Re: HESITATION WHEN ACCELERATING/75 350/4 BBL.

Greg; I think you still have a problem in your carb. Maybe in your primary
circut.  Accelerator pump adjustment. APT piston?Let me know what you did
to the carb, and I'll try to help.
Scott Kozler
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:18:57 -0300
Subject: Re: steering wheel

If he doesn't want it, I'm interested in it.. the sport wheel I mean. Please
let me know directly at mpheiser@aol.com

thanks,
Mark Heiser

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 10:25:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set

>>Does anybody happen to know the partª for a
>> complete gasket kit for a 455?
>KS 2613 is the engine replacement set. It works well for most folks.

And MS96004 is the part number for the valley pan for a 455

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From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:36:29 -0300
Subject: Tire size for 77 Olds

Well the time has come for me to go wide. Currently i'm running dunlop
elite's-- 225/70/15 on my Cutlass.
I love these tires but would now like a wider look. Just called a few tire
places in my area and got a different story from everybody. I would like a
bf goodrich but what size?? Some say 235/60 or 215/60 or even 235/70. Anyone
out there with a Cutlass that's already been here. Let Me know


Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:26:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Catalytic converter

On  5 May 97 at 22:56, mrada wrote:
> Does anyone know of a good catalytic converter that will pass smog
> and yet be free flowing enough to give some power back to my 82
> Delta Royale Brougham 305?

I'd try one of the Walker "Clean Air" cats.  About $60 and its the
honeycomb type.  Made a difference in my 442 (with a Quad4).

Mike
'91 442
'93 SCX

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From: DJV442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:40:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Lights

I WOULD GUESS AT A BAD GROUND CONNECTION FROM BLOCK TO BATTERY OR
CHASSIS.ALSO CHECK CONNECTIONS AT HEADLIGHTS THEMSELVES.
MAYBE CHECK STARTER CONNECTIONS ALSO..HOPE THIS HELPS...
I NOTICED YOU ARE ON CAPE COD NET...I'M FROM MASHPEE,MA...DON'T SEE TOO MANY
CAPE PEOPLE ON HERE...ANYWAY,GOOD LUCK....
DJV442@AOL.COM

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From: "Matt Herrick" <mherrick@tir.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:48:00 -0300
Subject: Mint '87 442:How much is too much?

Hello,
I wanted to ask what would be a good price for a
Mint 1987 442.I saw an ad for one in the latest Hemmings.
One owner,6000 mile, all options. $14,000 obo.  Is this about
how much one of these is worth?

Thanks,
Matt

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:20:13 -0300
Subject: Re: '78 Olds Delta 88, suspension tips

I've got one of these beasties. There's a member of the IVOC OCA chapter with
a '77 Pace car replica with duals. Didn't look under it, but there would be
some fabrication since these didn't come with duals from the factory, and the
 underside wasn't formed/dented for duals. True duals w/dual cats would
probably be harder. Take a good look under the car and map the pipes out. The
monilith cat would be a good upgrade. You might want to muffler clamp that in
place instead of welding so you can test the difference, before making the
decision to spend more money.

For handling, I put a set of Moog car-go var. rate coils out back, and HD
springs up front. BIG improvement. Doesn't have a rear sway bar though.

The FAQ has some info on engine swapping, more to come though. Let us know how
 it turns out!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
I own a '78 Olds Delta 88 2 door coupe (350R/TH350).  I know these cars
are not very popular in the performance and handling dept. but I would
like some info on suspension tips.

Has anybody ever put dual exhaust on a '78 Olds delta 88?  I don't see
any around here.

I'm looking for the performance potential of replacing my single
(varying sizes) single exhaust system, with single monolith cat.

Mike Jones
1978 Olds Delta 88

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:43:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Upcoming event...

I was planning on attending that. It runs from 8am to 3pm on that Saturday.
Probably wear the Bryceman shirt and be driving the '77. Any suggestions on a
place for list members to rendezvous for a short get together, take a breather
 from swap meet hunting?

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
I was just looking through the upcoming events for the OCA, etc., and saw
there was a "Spring Dust Off" coming up on May 17th at Finley Olds in South
 Beloit, Wi. that was sponsered by the Illinois, and Wisconsin chapters.  Are
there any people on the list that are planning on being there?  It's only
like 5 minutes from my place, so of course, I'll have to stop by.

Chris Ruper

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Lights

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> >O.K., I got one for you!  Why wouldn't my 69 442 start when I had
> >the head lights on? As soon as I turned off the lights the car
> >started.  With the lights on,  it dosen't seem to get power (not
> >even a click).  Help, any ideas?
>         ^^^^^
> I'd say your starter solenoid is on its last legs, and the headlamps
> sop up just enough power to bring the available current down below
> what's needed to close the contacts.
>
> But before you buy any new parts, clean up your battery cables (at
> both ends of each) and check your starter solenoid connections to
> make sure they're clean and tight.

Been pondering this one too.  If it'll start with a jump, I'd suspect the
battery.  If it'll start when you jumper positive to the solenoid, I'd
suspect the cabling or connection.  Otherwise, I'll go along with Andy's
solenoid theory on this one.   :o

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

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From: Mike Lowe <mlowe@pop.erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:28:54 -0300
Subject: 50's olds

I saw a '53 olds the other day that had this huge black thing the said
"Delco" sitting up high on the driver side (under the hood).  It didn't look
like any battery I have ever seen.

        Was this the battery?  Were these cars six volts?  Why so big?

Also, at the same place (Congressional Olds in Rockville, Maryland) I saw a
'56 and '57 Olds, both red and white.  I always liked the '57 style but when
I saw them I was suprised that I preferred the '56.  How similar were these
cars?

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:33:09 -0300
Subject: Re: blockhugger headers, olds

At 11:42 AM 5/5/97 -0300, you wrote:
>    Just ran out to the garage to check the manifolds that came off of the
>'70 Delta Royale that donated the 455 for my F85.  The drivers side exhaust
>manifold exits straight down and to the center of the engine.  I don't see
>any reason why a person couldn't use two of these manifolds in a street rod
>set up, the only problem i can see with running this set up is that you
>wouldn't be able to run the normal Cutlass style motor mounts, fortunatly
>though, the Delta Royale had front mount engine engine mounts that used a
>single large bolt to hold the engine to the frame.
>  Hmmmmm -- Kinda got me thinking about a '27 T sedan up in Salt Lake with  a
>small block Chevy in it that's been ignored for about 10 years.  A 455 in a
>2000 lb car anyone.....  anyone ????
>
>                                     J2RKT@aol.com
>
>

I'd like to see a 455 in a "T" sedan, 'cept where you gona find a
transmission adapter plate?

Anon. I

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:45:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Getting the boot.

At 12:02 PM 5/5/97 -0300, you wrote:
>C.R.F. wrote:
>>
>> At 07:04 PM 5/2/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >Am I the only one that has been continually removed from
>> >the list the last few weeks?  I've had to re-subscribed 3
>> >times now.  I'll go for a two or three days when it happens
>> >cause I don't know if the list is down or I've been removed
>> >again.
>> >
>> >--Dan
>> >
>> >
>> How is 'Little Henry' these days.
>>
>> The Wiz
>
>Huh??  What or who exactly is 'Little Henry'?
>
>--Dan
>
>
Little Henry was McDonnell Aircrafts first helicopter.  It was very
inovative.  It had ram jet engines at the rotor tips.

Did you know that McDonnell Aircraft was the first company to build a
Biz-Jet too!  Of course it was comercially unsuccessful, because it was many
years before it's time.  I think, the prototype, still operates however, as
a transport for the corporation.

The Wiz

P.S. Subscribe to the digest version too, just in case the computer wacks
you again.

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:48:02 -0300
Subject: Re: GTO means...Wrong, but

At 12:18 PM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Nice try guys...very imaginative, keep those ideas flowing.  Here is the
>answer:  GTO=Gran(d) Turismo Official or if you are a Ferrari fan (yes
>they build GTO's too) GTO=Gran(d) Tourismo Omlagato
>
>Have fun...A Pontiac lover too
>
>Lyndall
>70 1/2 Trans Am, 455, 11 sec. 1/4
>In search of long lost 70 442 W-30
>(One of 120 Sport Coup automatics made <:-()
>
>>
>
>
I thought that meant a "Production" Grand Touring car, not official.

The Wiz

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 15:48:25 -0300
Subject: Volunteerism?

Greg Beaulieu is right.  We should take actions whenever and wherever we
can to help ANYONE with their Oldsmobile problems when we are able.
Unfortunately, I don't have any 64 VC hood letters, but if I did, I
would gladly help out.  This "volunteerism" was already established here
before the President even called out for it.  (Maybe he owns an Olds,
and was on this thread when he got the idea.)

Everyone here tries to help another fellow Oldsmobiler when they can.
No one knows everything about anything, and it is not only a good
gesture to offer help, but also that more of us can learn what works,
what doesn't, where to get good parts, etc.  I throw my two cents in
when I can, without being sarcastic about it.  Because I know I've asked
for help and got some good ideas.  Everyone's problem, to them, is
extremely important, no matter how trivial YOU think it might be.  This
is the place to gel together and share information to keep our Rockets
rolling down the road.

Now I step down from my soap box.....

Thanks for listening,
Mike Rothe

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 16:17:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Rockit ran again

> Heck no.  I don't think there's enough room down there for all my cars :)
> Even Texas isn't ~that~ big...  (or lenient:)
>
> I keep my fleet ~fairly~ mobile (At very minimum I ~push~ them around every
> week or so, just so I can say they've moved.  In this town, anything that
> hasn't moved in five days is considered an abandoned vehicle, and is subject
> to towing.  That really pi**es me off, but I comply quietly.

Missoula is exactly the same way.  Around here if a car sits too
long, the cops come and give it a nice orange sticker (usually put right
on the front of the drivers window, and as an added bonus they are almost
impossible to remove).  The sticker comes with a warning that you have 5
days to move the car or it will be towed (your expense, of course).  For
the last couple years, I've been playing that same game you have with the
cops and my Caddy, driving it around the block every time they put a
sticker on it.
The registration has been expired for almost a year (just
been "storing" it until I can afford to insure it), and so finally I guess
they got tired of playing with me, and they left a note on the car telling
me that I was commiting a criminal misdomenor by having an unregistered
car on the street.  They gave me 5 days to chug down to the DMV and pay my
$30, or (so they threatened) I could face a $500 fine!!!  Oh well.  I just
handed over the cash, since I was tired of playing with them too.  It's
been sitting for a couple weeks, and they've left it alone.
I guess it's all just part of the joy of having too many cars, and
not enough driveway!!

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:34:55 -0300
Subject: Re: GTO means...Wrong, but

Hmmmm.

I always thought it meant "Grand Tourissimo Omolagato"

Sparky

- --
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Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:38:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Volunteerism?

  This "volunteerism" was already established here
>before the President even called out for it.  (Maybe he owns an Olds,
>and was on this thread when he got the idea.)

Sorry, president bill's ride is a `66 or so m*stang ragtop....Bet a few of
you wished you knew that before election day.  :)    At least he's somewhat
of a car guy.

...And I believe I saw perot once on 60 minuits pulling up to the office in
what appeared to be a 90-something delta 88.

No political intent, just a couple of fun facts that were rattling around in
my head.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 13:19:32 -0300
Subject: 2.25 tail pipes

     I've posted this before, so I apologize if it repetitious, but
     pre-bent 2.25" tailpipes are readily available for 68-72 A-body cars.
     The 70 GTO Judge application is listed at 2.25" in the Walker catalog.
     These pipes will bolt into a 442 (I have them on my 69 H/O and my 70
     W-30 currently).  The only drawback is that they are slightly turned
     down at the ends to clear the GTO rear valance panel and thus don't
     line up with the bumper cutouts on a 442.  If you have a Cutlass, this
     is no problem, as you need the pipes routed this way, however 442 (and
     W-31, H/O, and SX) owners will need to cut off the turndown and add a
     short straight section to mate to the chrome tips.  I don't know the
     cost of a custom-bent set, but this seems cheaper.  BTW, I actually
     bought mine at Midas.  Be prepared to argue with the high school
     dropout behind the counter, who will be convinced that these pipes do
     not exist.  I'll try to dig up the part numbers.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:13:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Lights

At 11:57 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>O.K., I got one for you!  Why wouldn't my 69 442 start when I had
>>the head lights on? As soon as I turned off the lights the car
>>started.  With the lights on,  it dosen't seem to get power (not
>>even a click).  Help, any ideas?
>        ^^^^^
>I'd say your starter solenoid is on its last legs, and the headlamps
>sop up just enough power to bring the available current down below
>what's needed to close the contacts.
>
>But before you buy any new parts, clean up your battery cables (at
>both ends of each) and check your starter solenoid connections to
>make sure they're clean and tight.

Also, do the lights dim or die when you turn the key?


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:31:17 -0300
Subject: Presidential rides

At 07:38 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>  This "volunteerism" was already established here
>>before the President even called out for it.  (Maybe he owns an Olds,
>>and was on this thread when he got the idea.)
>
>Sorry, president bill's ride is a `66 or so m*stang ragtop....Bet a few of
>you wished you knew that before election day.  :)    At least he's somewhat
>of a car guy.

Hmm...  Kinda like the way "somewhat of a car" is worded there :)  Seems to
fit the rustangs...

>
>...And I believe I saw perot once on 60 minuits pulling up to the office in
>what appeared to be a 90-something delta 88.
>
A divident payment from GM? :)

I think my favorite celebrity car (No, not the little fwd bowties!) has to
be Jay Leno's '57 Buick Convertible.  Black w/red interior, as I recall...
They showed him driving up on one of his shows many years ago.  I drooled.
Definately makes my '57 look rough.  (of course so to most celebrities --
now I'm talking about the cheap little fwd bowties!:)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:38:19 -0300
Subject: Front spkr finally in

Well, I finally got the front 4 x 10 speaker installed and working great.
When I got the car it lacked a radio entirely.  Our Capital City Rockets
club president just happened to have a correct AM radio he was willing to
give me.  After installion and a few minutes of operation the speaker
sounded horrible.  Out comes the shop manual to figure out how to get at
the thing.  Not easy.  You basically have to remove most of the ductwork, and
the radio which I had just put in.  So eventually I get the radio out and
discover that the paper cone had completely disintegrated, must have been
the original 25 year old speaker.  Finding a replacement speaker was not
easy.  Not available at Carlisle a few weeks ago.  Brothers doesn't carry it,
nor Supercars Unlimited, nor the others Olds parts guys.  Finally I call
Olds Parts USA.  "Sure, we have it, the exact thing, fits right in no
problem, $19.95."  I order it.  When it arrives I discover its the identical
speaker to what Radio Shack sells, for $14.95, and IS NOT the "exact thing."
Dang thing requires considerable retrofitting to work with the existing
support bracket up inside the dash.  I was annoyed but decided to do the
retrofitting rather than send it back and incur further costs and wasted
time.  Needless to say, Olds Parts USA did not win any brownie points with
this transaction.

So, another successful and satisfying project done.  Another trick I tried--
you know how the ductwork is made of largely plastic pieces that fit
together rather loosely, especially if they've been disassembled before...
Well, I glued very thin strips of a foam insulation onto the duct pieces
where they contact each other.  So now, instead of hearing plastic rubbing
against plastic I hear just that nice tight sound you get with a new car.
pretty cool so far.....

Todd Morris
71 442

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From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@spoiler.interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:05:22 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C Ooops

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> You can splice the hard stuff with a short length of tight-fitting vacuum
> line. Be sure that the end of the hard line isn't squished flat and has
> no debris in it, though. If the grey line broke fairly close to the water
> valve, you might be able to draw up enough slack to connect the end to
> the valve itself, and just discard the short bit that broke off.

I love a man who speaks from experience.  Was a relatively simple
fix...even though the current line had a fancy ribbed connector on it,
the bare tube made nice solid connection with the fitting.  So I can
once again, get my air where I want it to go (I was wrong the first
time, it was the violet, so I had no vacuum to the system period.
Therefore no damper door actuation, etc.  Funny though, the vacuum leak
didn't seem to affect the engine too much....)

Thanks!
- --
- ---Matt
'86 442
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From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 19:11:29 -0300
Subject: 68 442 headlight panels

I am looking for 2 perfect headlight panels(plastic peice behind the
headlights, I forgot what they are called) for a 68 442. thankyou
Marty
           mailto:hanthorn@invave.com


If you don't have a rocket, you might as well wreck it!

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 14:09:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 50's olds

Mike Lowe wrote:
>
> I saw a '53 olds the other day that had this huge black thing the said
> "Delco" sitting up high on the driver side (under the hood).  It didn't look
> like any battery I have ever seen.
>
>         Was this the battery?  Were these cars six volts?  Why so big?
>
> Also, at the same place (Congressional Olds in Rockville, Maryland) I saw a
> '56 and '57 Olds, both red and white.  I always liked the '57 style but when
> I saw them I was suprised that I preferred the '56.  How similar were these
> cars?

I'm not sure about the large black thing that resembles a battery on the
driver's side underhood, but it could be the Autronic Eye that
automatically dims the headlamps.  This thing had been around since 1953
or so.  These are 12 volt cars for all 3 years ('55-57).

The 1957 car is a major redo of the '55-56 Olds that gave it an angular
stealth-like shape that I rather like.  I also very much like the '55-56
car.  This set is one of my favorite Oldsmobiles w/lots of luxury,
gimmicks, power, & that ever popular single digit gas economy.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:25:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Lights

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> At 11:57 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >>O.K., I got one for you!  Why wouldn't my 69 442 start when I had
> >>the head lights on? As soon as I turned off the lights the car
> >>started.  With the lights on,  it dosen't seem to get power (not
> >>even a click).  Help, any ideas?
> >        ^^^^^
> >I'd say your starter solenoid is on its last legs, and the headlamps
> >sop up just enough power to bring the available current down below
> >what's needed to close the contacts.
> >
> >But before you buy any new parts, clean up your battery cables (at
> >both ends of each) and check your starter solenoid connections to
> >make sure they're clean and tight.
>
> Also, do the lights dim or die when you turn the key?
>
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
>              500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>              Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "FAST FWD" (Soon)     | '67 Toronado 425
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

I will actually turn on the lights, turn the key, and nothing.  But with the
key still on, I'll turn off the lights and it will turn right over.  No
hesitation at all.

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:49:56 -0300
Subject: Abandoned Tows, was Re: Rockit ran again

On Wed, 7 May 1997, Andrew C. Green wrote:

> >I keep my fleet ~fairly~ mobile (At very minimum I ~push~ them
> >around every week or so, just so I can say they've moved.
>
> "It's not abandoned, officer. Just last week I rotated the tires!"
You think that's bad, They wanted to tow my beutifal red 76 4dr olds
(while, 31/2, one's pretty much gone) away just because I parked it on
the grador-bank to avoid being in the bus zone! (You should've seen it, I
had to jump out the driver's side, and the other side was buried ion snow!)
.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.1.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:10:55 -0300
Subject: Carb question

Bill, Jim, and Dr. Barry

Thanks for your input on the carb question I had.  Hope I can get it resolved
without buying another carb.  If I do have to buy another carb what would a
good price be?

Thanks
Scott Jerdan
70 W-30 (seeker of carb enlightenment)

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:56:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi Differentials and Synthetic Gear Lube

At 04:04 PM 5/5/97 -0300, BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
>FWIW I put Mobil 1 in the "C" posi rear currently in the SX and it made the
>most gawdawful banging noises you could imagine.  This would occur after
>running on the straight highway and then stopping and making a turn.  After a
>loud "clang" it wouls loosen up and be OK until you did the same routine
>again.
>
>I added the GM additive and it went away. So my experience is that Mobil 1
>needs the GM additive for use in posi rears.

Do you think there is a difference between the posi's of today versus the
60's and 70's? I have an Auburn unit in the 10 bolt 3.23 in my Z and there
is no whine, clang, etc. Also I have heard that adding too much Limited Slip
additive may cause the clutch's in the posi to slip too much thus making the
posi not work like it should. Any help on this would be appreciated as I
don't understand too much on this area. Thanks.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 4-4-2 W-30
1975 Hurst/Olds

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:08:08 -0300
Subject: RE:Front spkr finally in

>
> Well, I finally got the front 4 x 10 speaker installed and working great.
> <snip> Finding a replacement speaker was not
> easy.  Not available at Carlisle a few weeks ago.  Brothers doesn't carry
it,
> nor Supercars Unlimited, nor the others Olds parts guys.  Finally I call
> Olds Parts USA.  "Sure, we have it, the exact thing, fits right in no
> problem, $19.95."  I order it.  When it arrives I discover its the
identical
> speaker to what Radio Shack sells, for $14.95, and IS NOT the "exact
thing."
> Dang thing requires considerable retrofitting to work with the existing
> support bracket up inside the dash.  I was annoyed but decided to do the
> retrofitting rather than send it back and incur further costs and wasted
> time.  Needless to say, Olds Parts USA did not win any brownie points with
> this transaction.
>
> So, another successful and satisfying project done.  >
> Todd Morris
> 71 442

Todd,
The new Year One catalog shows what appears to be the correct front speaker
Part Number 323N for $32.00.  I recently replaced my front speaker too.  The
first place I tried was Olds Parts USA since its close enough for me to
drive to.  I got my new exhuast trumpets there and wanted speakers too.
When he brought out those radio shack speakers I couldn't believe it, I
asked him to check his computer again still the same thing.  That thing
wouldn't even fit in the retainer that holds the speaker.  Sorry you had to
find out the hard way by paying for it.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:56:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Drive to work

At 11:16 AM 5/7/97 -0300, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Well my car ran peppier today after the exhaust upgrade.  I did my
>infamous 0-60 test again.  Before today I was doing it in 16 seconds.
>Today I got around 13 seconds.  That's cool.

Are you sure it is 13 seconds? I think it should be a bit faster for a 442.
For reference my 80 442 does it in 8.9 and the 93 Z does it in 5.3  What
kind of exhaust did you get?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 4-4-2 W-30
1975 Hurst/Olds

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:46:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

>
> At 10:19 PM 5/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Well the 442 has about 600 miles on it since I droped the motor in this
> >>spring.  My problem is I think its running too rich.  There is a nice bit
of
> [snip]
> >>racer.  He said it had been rebuilt before.  Concerned about what jets
and
> >>metering rods were in it, I took it apart today.  The primary jets were
ª58
> >>and the secondary metering rods were AX, there are no primary metering
rods.
> >>The idle mixture screws when I took it apart today were backed out 3
turns
> >>from lightly seated, I backed them out to 6 turns and it seems the
"bucking"
> >>has decreased a little.  Any suggestions.
> >>
> >>Scott Jerdan
> >>70 W-30, 4-Speed
>      ^^^^
>
>
> Well, this came up when I posted the FAQ info on Q-jet jets and rods;
> neither the W-31 nor the W-30 Quadrajets (1970 only) used primary metering
> rods (so Scott, you've got a stock-jetted W-30 carb there). My info comes
> from the big ol' AC-Delco Part ª9X Carburetor library.
>
> Now, depending on which cam you are now using, you may in fact want to move
> to a 4-bbl jet/metering rod primary system (you've got 2-bbl jets in there
> now), to take advantage of the tuning ability that a power-valve system
> provides. This would be easiest with a non-W carb; save yours for
> restoration, and use any other pre-emissions core.
>
> What are the specs on the cam in your motor? Is it a stock W-30 cam? How
> recent is the engine rebuild? The black on the trumpets also could be oil
> burning; perhaps you've got rings or guides going bad?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Dr. Barry,

Thanks for your interest.  My copy of super tuning 69 & 70 Olds 350 and 455
from Bryceman's web page also shows the carb to be stock except the
secondary metering rods, which should be AU.  I put a new stock W-30, stick
cam in the car from Brothers Auto.  The motor was rebuilt February 17, 1997.
Sure hope the rings aren't going bad everything in there is new except the
rods and the crank.  Also some one else said the 6 turns out on the idle
mixture screws was excessive but thats what the emissions sticker says to
start with.  In regard to getting another carb and just storing this one,
I've given this some thought too.  I would like to get this one working
though, since I think Olds wouldn't sell something that would only run good
at the track.  Anyway, if I can't get it to work well in a few weeks I may
just have to put another one on there.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30 (Seeking Carb enlightenment)

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 21:55:51 -0300
Subject: Re: What G.T.O. means

On Mon, 5 May 1997, SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:

> Geeze- I always thought it ment G.et the T.ools O.ut. <grin>

Sorry, Frank, you lose...

I can't believe nobody ever told you that GTO stands for Gone To Olds.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 22:23:54 -0300
Subject: Re: GTO means...Wrong, but

In a message dated 97-05-07 13:10:07 EDT, you write:

<< ice try guys...very imaginative, keep those ideas flowing.  Here is the
 answer:  GTO=Gran(d) Turismo Official or if you are a Ferrari fan (yes
 they build GTO's too) GTO=Gran(d) Tourismo Omlagato

 Have fun...A Pontiac lover too

 Lyndall
 70 1/2 Trans Am, 455, 11 sec. 1/4
 In search of long lost 70 442 W-30
 (One of 120 Sport Coup automatics made <:-()
  >>
NO, NO   GTO MEANS  GO TO OLDS

W MACHINES

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:05:36 -0300
Subject: Flare Nuts & Wrenches Etc.

You wrote-"having trouble with a flare nut..
Nothing unusual-if its a virgin and you have tight fitting wrenches, and
a big back up wrench as somebody wrote, try very slow steady
pressure-sometimes the nut is moving ever so slowly but you just don't
realize it.
Flare wrenches are not an end all for flare nuts-don't get discouraged.
They flex and bend and usually you're lucky if you're the first mechanic
to get your mitts on a flare nut. Often it seems as if these nuts are
made from putty and welded in place: Give yourself a pat on the back
whenever you break any flare nut loose by any means without damaging it.
I rarely use any of my standard flare wrenches since I acquired a set of
crows feet flare wrenches-list at $90 but can be had for $50+ if you are
patient and shop. S&K is good-MAC is OK but way overpriced and nothing
beats a Snap-on (if you work at an edu you should be able to claim "tech
teaching status" and get %50 off snap-on which makes it very competitive
pricewise). Flare wrenches are better than standard wrenches but I'm
often dissapointed on their performance. Lines to carbs are scariest
since I'm always afraid of cracking the carb.
Some of my favorites re flare nuts are: Start early enough to get to the
parts store and if the nut seems terminal get a replacement
line/steering hose/brake line/etc-match the line to be sure it's
correct-spray the nut area with brake cleaner to remove any dirt-cut the
line with snips about 1" from the nut-(keeps particles out)-use a
6-point deep impact socket to remove the nut-this has never failed and
is especially good on steering box lines-especially the salted-in ones
in NY-When you install any flare assembaly take the time to coat the
line under the nut with anti-seize for future removals-just don't be
sloppy and contaminate the system. If you are doing a re-hab on brakes
lines/system--save all the old nuts, especially the nuts for master
cylinders and proportioning valves, etc. Often the line sizes are
standard but the nuts are not-probably to prevent hooking up the wrong
lines. These nuts can be saved the same way-cut the line with snips and
use a 6-point socket to remove- put the old nut in a vice-cut the tubing
flush-drive out the old tube with a pin punch, clean and re-use the nut.
Steel tubing and standard nuts are easy to obtain.  If you're into it, a
double flaring tool is reasonably priced and easy to learn how to use.
Probably ISO bubles too-but I never did one. Tubing is cheap and you can
make replacement lines in a pinch.  I confess to using vice-grips on
occasion but distortion is guarranteed and eventual line replacement is
too. You can buy long factory brake lines and cut them to size and enjoy
one factory flare on each piece-someone else wrote that even the road
hazard protection springs can be saved--true--wind up like a spring and
slip off-smack around to remove rust-paint and install on new line.
Somebody sells new hazard springs-can't remember who though. I save any
non standard flare nut.  My daily driver is a gasket blowing 5.7 diesel
78-98 and I can't imagine life without crows feet flare wrenches.....

Kevin O'Brien

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:30:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire size for 77 Olds

Aaron D Eoff wrote:
>
> Well the time has come for me to go wide. Currently i'm running dunlop
> elite's-- 225/70/15 on my Cutlass.
> I love these tires but would now like a wider look. Just called a few tire
> places in my area and got a different story from everybody. I would like a
> bf goodrich but what size?? Some say 235/60 or 215/60 or even 235/70. Anyone
> out there with a Cutlass that's already been here. Let Me know
>
> Aaron D Eoff
>    ///////  ///////
>        //       //
>       //       //
>      //       //
>     //       //  'twas a goodyear
>
> 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

Aaron, I wouldn't do 235/70's (probably too tall), but 235/60's sounds
right.  I've actually seen 245/50's on a G-body with the chrome SSIII's
(14x6).  I don't know how wide your 15 inchers are, but 235 sounds
right.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:19:12 -0300
Subject: Ch*vy 454 in a 1984 Cutlass?????????

Popular Mechanics is doing a project with a 1984 Cutlass. They want to drop
in a
big block Ch*vy 454.
I e-mailed them a note asking why not a big block Olds 455 instead of the
same old
Ch*vy.
Hay lets swamp them with e-mail. The e-mail address is
pmwebmaster@hearst.com
lets see what we can do about this.

John Richmond
Warren, MI
richmond@tir.com

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:15:18 -0300
Subject: Re: steering wheel

Luke Hogan wrote:
>
> ----------
> > Does anybody know a place where I find a good steering wheel for my '70
> > 442.
> >
> > Sorry about sending the welcome message the first time.
>      Richard,                                                     A friend
of mine has a sport steering wheel ,  is > that the type you want ? >
I don't  know if he will let it go.  I can ask! >   Luke

Who made it?

YES

what color?        if yes how much?

It took so long for me to reply because the mail didn't come in.

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:05:17 -0300
Subject: Quad-4 Exhaust

Anyone know of a good performance boosting exhaust setup for my '92 Achieva
SC? (It's the H.O. Quad-4 185hp)

Thanks

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