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oldsmobile-digest          Friday, 25 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 631

Re:  Indy Pace Cars
Re: '75 Hurst Olds
Giving a Toro away?
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: Mondello's 493
Re: My Olds Weekend
RE: Palm_Springs_weekend
Re: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: FW: NEW Darwin Award nomination (Non-Olds ~long)
TornadoAir
Re: '69 Toronado pil pan/windage tray/studs FOR SALE
Re: 72 Toro 455 build up ?'s
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: Motion vs. Hurst (Was Re: Baldwin/Motion
Re: '75 Hurst Olds
Re: Question
Re: Winter...is...Over!!yes but my car was killed by it
Re: Diff gears rationale
Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su
Re: Motor Mounts -Reply
Re: Original Plates
Re: WS-30 455?
Re: Question
Re: Question
Re: INTAKE PARTª'S
Rear Bumper
Reply to comment
Re: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars
Re: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars
Re: Original Plates
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: Original Plates
Re: Original Plates
Re: Toro Parts Possibility
Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!
re:Palm_Springs_weekend
Redone: INTAKE PARTª'S
white smoke
Re: 68 wheel color???
Re: 67 Toro Questions
Re: Original Plates & Personalized
Re: Open Air Filter Element Question
Re: Toro Parts Possibility
Re:  Indy Pace Cars
Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su
Defending NASA's newest flame (Mostly Non Olds)
Re: Rearend gearing
Re: I know I shoulda paid attention but....
Re: 72 Toro 455 build up ?'s

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:38:17 -0300
Subject: Re:  Indy Pace Cars



     Now for the Trivia Contest:

     1a) What years did Olds pace the race?
     1b) What was the car?

          1949      Olds 88 (98?)
          1960?     Not sure about this one
          1970      442 convert
          1972      H/O convert
          1974      H/O "convert" (hardtop cut off except for roll bar)
          1977      Delta 88
          1985      Calais 500 (I owned one of the replicas for a while)
          1988      Cutlass Supreme Quad 4
          1997      Aurora

     1c) Who was the driver?

          I don't have a clue

     2)  Which ones were NOT available in the configuration as they were on
         the track at the dealership. (mention main difference between pace
         car and replica)

          I assume you mean the non-available convertibles in 1974, 77, 85,
          and (presumably, since I haven't seen the car) 97.  Certainly, the
          engines of the 74 and up cars were heavily modified to meet the
          pace car performance requirements (actually, even the 72 H/O
          required some mods, as detailed in Hot Rod magazine that year).
          In addition, the 88 used a Quad 4, which wasn't even available in
          the Cutlass Supreme body.

     3)  What precident does this year's pace car make in the selection of
         past pace cars?

          The first four-door?

     4)  Does anyone know what this year's support vehicles (trucks) are
         suppose to be?  (This one I don't know the answer to).

          I'm guessing GMCs.

     Answers on Mon.

          I can hardly wait!

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30






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From: kennelson5@juno.com (Ken D Nelson)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:04:01 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 Hurst Olds

I am currently restoring a '75 H/O. frame off etc. I can tell you that it
is hard to find some parts for this era. The car isn't really considered
a muscle car because of the emission and the low horsepowers compared to
the '60's & early '70's. Therefore the aftermarket people don't carry
repros. (no demand) the junk yards don't save the cars (no demand) and
the dealers have dropped the parts (too old) so I hunt thru southern junk
yards which don't turn over the inventory. I have also realized that
there really isn't a desire for the later years cars (low horsepower ,
emission) so the car value will remain low compared to other models.
But you could look at it three other ways,   1) Since the car
has all this going against it  when you do find parts the seller cant
expect to get a mint for it  ie; $850 "70 442 ram air hood.
2)  If you decide to cut holes
for an aftermarket stereo or change the suspension or radically modify
the engine you wont feel so bad changing the car from stock.
3) If you consider that all the
other people are thinking this way too then a bunch of years from now all
the '75 H/O's will be used up or altered  ( I even parted out one myself
,rust bucket) therefore leaving fewer, (only  approx 2500 made from the
start) then the price will start going up a little. Sort of like the
Edsel.

So for now think of it as transportation, compared too all those
newer used tin cans and shoe boxes running around, where you can work on
it without a computer degree and, hevenforbid, you have an accident I
would rather have '70's metal (lots of it) around me than '90's tin.{
don't even start the airbag, crush zone argument here}

Remember you get complements for any old very nice clean car out
there.

Ken Nelson
'75 H/O
'75 Toro

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From: Ryan Hehn <RYANH@docker.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:03:00 -0300
Subject: Giving a Toro away?

>>James William Townsend wrote:
>>>
>>> I've never owned or driven a Toronado, but all this talk about people
>>> buying them and being infected with The Virus is making me feel left
>>> out!!  Anybody got an extra Toro you want to give away? :)
>>
>>I don't know if Dave Voorhis ( Mailto:dave@armchair.mb.ca ) ever
>>found a home for the one he was giving away -- if you don't mind
>>a trip to Manatoba.
>>
>>    66 Toro
>>The /\   /\ and Mike
>>
>>
>Uh, Mike, ~don't~ tell me that kind of stuff!  After all, Manitoba >really
>isn't all ~that~ far away...  :)   BTW, anyone remember what year his >was?
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Dave Voorhis is giving one away?  This is terribly interesting to me,
since I live in the same city as Dave...  Even took a course from him
once.   Interesting... Very interesting.

But giving one away!???  It must be rough...

Talk about a virus...

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com
Brandon, Manitoba

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 13:04:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Steven LaCrosse wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
> 442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
> about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
> 3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
> is gaining much.

Steven,

You are right that a 3.31 isn't a great deal of difference from a 3.55,
but it is some.  I have trouble believing that you are really turning
4100 rpm at 65 mph.  Are your speedometer & tachometer accurate?  I
would guess that 65 mph w/a 3.55 might cause a 3000-3200 rpm reading,
but not as high as you suggest.

I am complaining of my 3.91 & would be happy w/a 3.31 or 3.23.  I have
had a 2.76, 2.93, & 3.08.  There just isn't enough for me & probably
3.23 is my preference.  I have used 3.23's for my family cars for years
& they are a fine compromise between torque available & gas mileage.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:18:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello's 493

At 06:08 PM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I am currently working on restoring  a '77 Cutlass and I was wondering
>if anybody has heard about Joe Mondello's 493 stroker motor?  I am just
>curious of how this motor will hold up in the long run.  It will be used
>primarily for a cruising car with a occasional visit to the local drag
>strip.  I just want the motor to be relatively reliable, so I don't have
>to work on it more than I drive it..........any input on this motor will
>help.......thanks, Paul
>
>
>
>
Paul

        I've built and ran one of these before. They are very potent
engines. You will not inccure too much cost buiding one of these execpt for
the crankshaft work required for the change in stroke. Buick 455 rods are
easy to find. Make sure you put a good oiling system together for this
engine, remember if you use a high volume pump to increase the oil pan size
and use restrictors in the engine to keep the oil at the mains. You should
also be warned DO NOT spin this engine much over 5500 RPM. 6000 is possible
but there is alot of stress being put on the bottom end. With a mild cam
(ie. .560 lift, 320 duration)  this thing will make almost 460 hp and about
580-600 lb ft of torque. Make sure all the body structure is in good shape
and you may want to use a engine torque strap to help make the drivers side
engine mount live a little longer. Do not use any transmission other than a
TH400 behind this combo or you could really start tearing up you driveline.
The cylinder heads on this combo should be pocket ported and have a good
three or four angle valve job. It will help it breath better. A warmed over
Q-jet or 850 Holley and a good pump works well for a fuel system. Unless you
get radical with this engine there is no need to go to a Dominator carb.
They do like the 1050cfm model though. Hold on to your socks when you punch
the throttle though.

Jim Chermack

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:06:53 -0300
Subject: Re: My Olds Weekend

In a message dated 97-04-22 00:24:45 EDT, the scalded Mr. Nye wrote:

> >         Thanks for letting me vent some steam (pun intended)!
>  >                         David Nye
>  >                         '71 Cutlass Supreme Rag-Top
>

Dave,
 Before I diagnosed a bad thermostat on my car, it was running very hot at
times, but other times not. It came to a head when my radiator cap vented (an
extremely frightening sound!) At that time I had not yet replaced the coolant
system hoses which did need replacing. I believe my cap is rated at 15 lbs or
so. If your hoses are bursting before your cap vents, you either need new
hoses (like you needed me to tell you this) or a new radiator cap. Hope you
heal up.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88        (425 much cooler now)
Chicago, IL

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:14:16 -0300
Subject: RE: Palm_Springs_weekend

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I too attended the Palm Springs weekend and thought it was a great =
event, However I must say that I was ~very~ disappointed with the lack =
of Oldsmobiles at the show.  (I only counted 2 or 3.. did I miss any?)  =
Did anyone else go?

Greg Yonge
1992 Achieva SC HO 5spd
(Hopefully Someday) 1966 Dynamic 88 Convertible  :)

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From:Dal Allan [SMTP:dal_allan@mcimail.com]
Sent:Thursday, April 24, 1997 9:41 AM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:re:Palm_Springs_weekend

Hi Lisa,

> Is this held the same time every year?  We will definitely have to =
check it
> out next time.

The Chamber of Commerce would be a good bet to get dates for next year. =
This=20
was the 3rd or 4th year. Las Vegas has a similar event close to =
Christmas=20
and Palm Springs picked April for its south-country response to the =
success=20
of Hot August Nights.=20

We went to Hot August Nights a few years ago and had a great time. The=20
Avanti went on that trip and we lost the brakes just after leaving the=20
Donner Pass rest stop - and I had to drive downhill for several thousand =

feet of the Sierras without brakes. There was nowhere and no way to stop =
the=20
car until we made it to the bottom.=20

Our room was in the center of Reno, but these days the event has gotten =
so=20
big that rooms downtown are booked out years ahead and the most likely =
place=20
to find space is in Sparks. Reno had traffic problems when we were there =

with the relatively small attendance. Palm Springs was a nice sized =
event,=20
you'd enjoy it. If you get a room downtown you can walk to everything.

Dal


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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 20:43:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]

Okay, here are prices from Baxter;

Both products are made of Nalgene, a transparent plastic which is highly
resistant to corrosive chemicals.

Nalgene Burets    graduated in mLs

catª            manufacturerª              volume               cost
B9110-10       36500010                     10mL              36.75
B9110-25       36500025                     25mL              40.05
B9110-50       36500050                     50mL              45.50
B9110-100     36500100                    100mL             49.30

Baxter's Kimax (glass)  burets start at 60 bucks for 100mL but if you are
really set on glass let me know...


Nalgene graduates (not a cylinder, looks kinda like a fat pilsner glass)
graduated in mL and Oz.

catª            manufacturerª              volume               cost

G7725-30      36730001                  30mL                10.25
      (that's right!)
G7725-100    36730002                 100mL                11.25
G7725-125    36730004                 125mL                12.05
G7725-250    36730008                 250mL                15.45

Baxter's number (clinical supplies) is (800) 964-5227

You may (or not) experience difficulties ordering these as a private citizen,
 I only have experience ordering for companies that already have accounts
with them. I could find no figures on shipping charges.

Karl Aune

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 19:25:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Steven LaCrosse wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
> 442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
> about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
> 3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
> is gaining much.

I have a 455, 3.42 gears with the 390 H/O cam and TH400. It's right on
the edge of acceleration and top end. I can usually catch the 5.slows
well within an 1/8th mile and I top out about 125-130. No idea on RPMs
though. My tach doesn't work....if it did I might be alarmed.

Danny

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:11:01 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: NEW Darwin Award nomination (Non-Olds ~long)

On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:30:17 -0300 Oldoldsguy@aol.com writes:
>Denney.J.Keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov (Denney J Keys)----I am finally starting
>to understand how NASA can put up a 60 million dollar mission only to
>bring it home hours later.  Do you work half as hard at NASA with your
>GOVERNMENT OWNED COMPUTER as you do on this OLDSMOBILE newsgroup?  >Why
don't you  go fetch and try us again from home after your next successful
>mission?

I think this is entirely uncalled for !!!!  Just because some guy
receives an e-mail at work and is kind enough to share this with us
Oldsmobile fans, he gets a flame like this. OldOldsguy should go get his
Depends changed!!!

Katana72 (It's NOT about Motorcycles !!!)

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:16:45 -0300
Subject: TornadoAir

Anybody ever hear of this new(?) Tornado thing?  You can see it at
http://www.tornadoair.com

They say it increases the air flow using a contraption that has no
moving parts.  Better yet, it only costs ~$70.

Is it bogus?

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:25:30 -0300
Subject: Re: '69 Toronado pil pan/windage tray/studs FOR SALE

Hi Scott,

At 03:12 PM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a '69 Toronado oil pan (holds an extra quart), windage tray and
>studs.  Give your Olds the best factory oiling system available.  $100
>and I'll pay shipping.  Email me privately if you are interested.
>Scott Mullen
>r_mullen@merck.com

My previous bid wasn't _too_ low :)  I'll take the stuff if you've still got
it.


Thanks,
Bob
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From: "Jason Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:08:55 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Toro 455 build up ?'s

> Here is what I've found that works together. Block bored .060 with TRW
> or similar forged pistons 10.5:1 comp. Cam selection depends on your
> gear ratio. Factory specs and gear ratios go something like:
> 365hp (442)3.23 - 3.42
> 390hp (H/O)3.42 - 3.90
> 370hp (W-30)3.73 - 4.10
> For heads I would use C castings or if you can find them K cast.
> Danny

I know J heads are supposed to be the worst of the BB heads, but can I use
them and stillget reasonable performance? If so what type of machining
needs to be done to them? Thanks

Jason Labay
93 Z/28
80 4-4-2 W-30
75 H/O
>

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 10:10:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Shang wrote:
>
> Steven LaCrosse wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
> > 442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
> > about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
> > 3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
> > is gaining much.
>
> I think you have a bit more than 3.55, sounds more like 4.56 to me. I
> would shoot for 3.23 - 3.42, if you go into 3.08 or lower, you are going
> to have a bog off line that you will hate yourself for.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

Steve, you realy think I might a 4:56? I put the car up on the rack and
spun the tire once to watch the drive shaft. It went around about three
and half times.
However I can't figure why my rpm's are so high. I would like to be able
to cruise at about 65 mph around 2500 rpm. Any ideas?

------------------------------

From: "Jason Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:58:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Motion vs. Hurst (Was Re: Baldwin/Motion

> On bone stock redline 6-inch tires?  Maybe running downhill with a tail
> wind.  Sounds like the car was massaged to me, and at the very least was
> cogged 4.+ and on slicks.  You don't mention the original source of the
> road test data.

I have no clue as to how accurate the data is, I am suspect of it myself.
In the book entitled "Hurst Heritage"  by Robert C. Lichty and Terry V.
Boyce, on page 89 it says the following for the 68 H/O: W-45, 10.5:1cr,
3.91:1 rear....0-60 in 6.5 and the 1/4 in 12.97@108.17 on Goodyear Polyglas
GT G70x14. On page 38 it tells why the car ran so fast. Jack Watson ran
these times for Car Craft with the first H/O built in 68 (only one with a
4spd manual and headers. "Production" 68 H/O's ran 13.90 at 103. Damn 12.97
sec car was a ringer:-)

> I recall reading about a
> mid-60's "stock" 389 GTO that was being loaned out for road testing to
> magazines.   It was really a 428 CID car hand-built by Pontiac
> engineers.  Sure was good at turning 12 sec. quarters and selling GTO's.
>  Eventually the charade was uncovered, but it just goes to show that
> there were some heavily massaged "stock" road test cars out there.

Like 99% of the high performance cars made for the magazine gods to flog.
Case in point the 96 Z/28 SS got a 13.2 in magazine tests but the best I
have seen stock is 13.9....plain jane Z's run those times usually.
>
> The Car Life test of the '70 W30 with AT and 3.42's was a 14.30 at
> 100.something mph.  Car Life was well known for accurate road tests, and
> I think most everybody would agree that a 14.3 ET for a bone stock '70
> W30 is pretty accurate.

Hmmm, so SBC Z/28's and SB 5.0 Fords of today are as fast or faster stock
for stock as the BB olds of the late to early 70's.
I know, I know...tires back then sucked as compared to now and a whole lot
of other things....

>  If I was going to buy a
> hot rod Olds think I'd prefer a real man's hot rod to a gentleman's hot
> rod any day.

Yeah, the H/O is made more for the "gentle" man as compared to the "real"
man (can't wait to see the flames I get on this statement.....be gentle
Remember I have experience with a 75 H/O, a real cream puff in bone stock
form on performance) . Still wouldn't mind having that 68 H/O built for
Jack Watson though....

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From: "Jason Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 Hurst Olds

For the price it sounds like 133,000 or 233,000 miles.  If the car is in
good shape the price should be more like $6,000+ for a low mileage 75.
- --------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
93 Z/28...patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 Hurst/Olds W-25


- ----------
> Saw this ad in the paper: " 75 Hurst Olds  455 W-30, 33M, loaded, T-top,
> must sell $3000.00 or best offer 612-929-9578 Pat"  is this a good price
> if the car is in good shape?
>
>

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:07:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Question

  Uh Oh -- a 442 snob ---- i wunder if that's related to a blower snob.

                              J2RKT@aol.com

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From: DaWolf77@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:27:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Winter...is...Over!!yes but my car was killed by it

Please Help!

 a car on the verge of becoming a classic

is on its last legs

anyone want to help with there expert opinion

please respond

DaWolf77@aol.com
stephen wolf BR,LA
'83 Cutlass supreme

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:28:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Diff gears rationale

    I dunno about the gear rationale -- it's all about torque multiplication.

Let's see here.  M21 4 speed tranny and 4.33:1 gears vs. TH400 with 4.33:1
gears, hooked up to a 530 ft lb Olds big block.
 M21 --  2.21:1  1st gear ratio times 530 = 1060 and then times the torque by
the differential gear ratio of 4.33:1 = 4589.8 ft lbs torque at the rear
wheels.
TH400 -- 2.54:1 1st gear ratio times 530 = 1346.2 and then times the torque
by the differential gear ratio of 4.33:1 = 5829.046 then add in the
theoretical torque multiplication of the torque converter wich is timsed by 2
and that = 11658.092.
  I might be mistaken with the 1st gear ratio on the TH400 i forget if it's
2.54 or 2.45:1
2.54:1 could be the first gear ratio of the TH350.
  I have yet to be drilled off the line by someone driving a 4 spd car, even
though i actually prefere driving a manual transmission equipped car.
  Part of the reasons why a four speed car may run quicker than a car
equipped with an automatic is that a four speed transmission keeps the engine
in a narrower rpm range than that of a three speed car thus keeping the
average hp and torque higher throughout the quarter mile.  That's also
including the fact that a 4spd also takes less hp to run than an automatic
tranny

                                             J2RKT@aol.com

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From: DaWolf77@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:38:36 -0300
Subject: Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su

please respond if you can help
83 is dead and needs to be revived
Please help the wolf

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From: "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 22:39:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Motor Mounts -Reply

The reason I am asking this question is when I originally put the 455 in
the car the mounts that came off of the 455 (olds 98) wouldn't work.  When
I bolted the 350 mounts on the engine fell right into place.  The mounts
that were on the 350 looked about the same as the 455 (size).  The mounts I
received from The Paddock are quite a bit smaller.  They do sell a
different mount for the '69 400 engine.

The "Olds FAQ" says the mounting schemes are the same and the big block
could use the same mounts as the small block.  Perhaps this could use some
clarification.

Does any know where I can get some 455 frame mounts for a 69 cutlass?  Will
I be drilling mounting holes (ick).

Hopper

- ----------
> From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Motor Mounts -Reply
> Date: Thursday, April 24, 1997 7:55 AM
>
> Hopper,
>  The 455 mounts are what ya need, but they also use a different frame
> mount than the 350's. This frame mount (the 455) is much more heavy
> duty and mounts in a different position in the frame to allow the
> engine to sit at the correct height. It also has a clearance divot in
> it to clear a tab on the 455 mount. The 455 mount itself is also much
> more heavy duty to handle 455's awesome torque. Hope this helps.
>
>                                                     Gary
>                                                     72 442 (350)
> P.S. Are you looking for any 69 cutlass conv. parts?
>
> >>> "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>  4/24/97, 07:23am >>>
> I have a 1969 Olds Cutlass Convertable.  The car originally came with
> a
> 350.  2 years ago I replaced the motor with a 455 from a '72 98.
> Which
> motor mounts are correct?  I have been given conflicting information
> lately.  I purchaced motor mounts from The Paddock and they only list
> one
> type of mounts for 1969.  The mounting holes seem to be slightly
> different.
>  The current motor mounts (which came from the old 350) are shot.
> Could
> this explain the differences?
>
> I would like to know the specifics before I try putting the motor and
> tranny back in.
>
> Hopper
>
>

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From: DaWolf77@aol.com
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 23:45:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

any one else reading list and just not talking?
any one want to help with my car problem?

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:51:56 -0300
Subject: Re: WS-30 455?

Hey, maybe Olds(or someone) would make a replica of this killer DOHC,
multivalve 455!  Then the Viper would have something to worry about!
Whoops, sorry...I'm back in Dreamland again.

    Jim Townsend

------------------------------

From: DaWolf77@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:48:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Question

will any one respond to help me
i want to be involved with the list but noone talks to me
or responds to my cries for help

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:03:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Question

In a message dated 97-04-24 02:12:19 EDT, you write:

<< Dear sir I was wondering if i could specify my mail to receive only mail
from
 members with 442's?
  >>
unfortunately no, besides you can learn alot from other Olds owners with
different cars, such as hi-po tips and engine rebuilds and where to get parts
and ect....


W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
(2) 72 442 W-30's

It would be rude if I only wanted to talk to W-30 owners wouldn't it

------------------------------

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:00:44 -0300
Subject: Re: INTAKE PARTª'S

In a message dated 97-04-24 00:17:41 EDT, you write:

<< OK, so what kind of file is this? Is there any way of getting an ASCII
file
 of this? Or perhaps something in 123 format?
 _______________________________________________________ >>
its Microsoft excell for IBM compat computors,

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From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:01:45 -0300
Subject: Rear Bumper

Hi All,
     I am typing this for a friend. He has a 71 442 convertible and is
in the process of restoring it, and is almost finished with it. What he
is looking for is a rear bumper with cutouts to put on it. He is not
looking for a like new one he would prefer to find one in good shape
and he will have it plated himself. If anyone has one for sale please
e-mail me with a phone number and the price and I will pass on the
message to him.

Thanks,
Tom Williams
70-W31
OCA ª 28886

------------------------------

From: Cougerxxx@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:00:21 -0300
Subject: Reply to comment

what's up with that dude! Jealous?

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:07:11 -0300
Subject: Re: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars

"3)  What precident does this year's pace car make in the selection of
         past pace cars?"

The Olds Aurora scheduled to pace the Race is front-wheel driven.

   Jim Townsend

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:08:27 -0300
Subject: Re: "Collectable Automobile" Special Ed - Indy Pace Cars

"4)  Does anyone know what this year's support vehicles (trucks) are
         suppose to be?  (This one I don't know the answer to)."

My guess is the new Dodge Dakota.

 Jim Townsend

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:17:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

Give us a good question and we will give you a better answer
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:15:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Steven LaCrosse wrote:
>
> Shang wrote:
> >
> > Steven LaCrosse wrote:
> > >
> > > Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
> > > 442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
> > > about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
> > > 3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
> > > is gaining much.
> >
> > I think you have a bit more than 3.55, sounds more like 4.56 to me. I
> > would shoot for 3.23 - 3.42, if you go into 3.08 or lower, you are going
> > to have a bog off line that you will hate yourself for.
> >
> > Stephen Hoover
> > Dallas, Texas
> > '70 Cutlass "S"
>
> Steve, you realy think I might a 4:56? I put the car up on the rack and
> spun the tire once to watch the drive shaft. It went around about three
> and half times.
> However I can't figure why my rpm's are so high. I would like to be able
> to cruise at about 65 mph around 2500 rpm. Any ideas?


Well that's odd, if the driveshaft went around approx 3.5 times, then it
must be 3.42 - 3.55. Your tach or speedo must be WAY off. I would guess
the tach, because your speedo should be fast if you have lower gears and
I would think that you would know if you were going much faster than 65,
you should be able to judge that. What kind of tach do you have? If its
an aftermarket, possibly set for a 4 or 6 cylinder? Does it sound like
your motor is spinning that fast? At 4100, it should sound like its
about to blow up. Either way to achieve 2500@65, shoot for 3.23's.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:09:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

I had another 15 min. conversation with the plate people today wherein the
2 supervisors in attendance completely contradicted one another on why I
couldn't get the stupid plates back.  BUT, I can write to Sacramento & they
can check their archive microfiche which will show this car had these
plates.  Time consuming but should work.

I was considering getting L OLDZ as my wagon has L OLDS but prefer the
black and gold.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:15:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates

Our antique plates are extremely ugly, and yes, I think look silly on '60's
cars.  Plus they are supposed to be on vehicles only used in limited
circumstances and with a mileage limit.  Rumor has it that it exempts you
from smog - which might be why I once saw a cool '66 Nova with a blown
small block sporting them!  The bureaucracy of it all is what made me the
most irritated & I'm sure I'll eventually be able to get them reactivated.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:06:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro Parts Possibility

Thanks anyway Charley - I'd like to kill the guy who had this car to paint
who 'lost' the horn center, 2 trim rings & center hubcaps, broke off the
driver side mirror and did a lousy paint job!!!  oh well.

Good luck on your carb hunt.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:12:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Hello all... and looking at a car!

Good heavens Clayton - don't ask me!! On a related thread, I had to call
the guy I bought Shamu the Toronado from (its gray and looks like a damn
whale), and he says "Interested in another?" and I said 'another what?" and
he says there is a Toro sitting in a backyard not far from him & he'll go
see if the guy would sell it cheap for me.  Oh yeah right - I can see my
other halfs face now.........by the by its another '66 and I told him if
its cheap I'll probably do it (for parts, yeah, right).


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:18:39 -0300
Subject: re:Palm_Springs_weekend

I will definitely look into this.  I'm going to petition our So Cal Olds
Chapter to try and have a run to the Route 66 celebration in San Berdoo
this year.  I can't believe they've never done anything out there.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:36:15 -0300
Subject: Redone: INTAKE PARTª'S

SOME BIG BLOCK OLDS INTAKE MANIFOLD PART NUMBERS


CASTING ª      YEAR   APPLICATION                              ENGINE
      TYPE
410448             1972    manual trans except W-30                455
           iron
404521            70-72    automatic trans except W-30            455
           iron
407567            70-71    manual trans except W-30                455
           iron
406115             1970    all W-30's W/"oldsmobile W-455"    455
           alum
407570            71-72    all W-30's W/"olds W-455"               455
           alum
405233             1969    Hurst Olds
                                      455            iron
398662            68-69    W-30 & 68 Hurst Olds                    400-455
       iron
413111             1973     all olds smog intake                         455
           iron
393238             1966     Tri-Power
                                       400             iron
390390            66-67     all 4bbl including 67 W-30                400
            iron
384439             1965     all 4bbl
                                          400             iron


hope this helps, sorry for the confusion of the Microsoft Excel file

W MACHINES

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From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:49:46 -0300
Subject: white smoke

I also had the white smoke problem with my 72 88 and it also was the
transmission fluid as Dan explained.  Check this out, a lot less expensive
than rings or an engine swap.

------------------------------

From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:53:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 wheel color???

What about the correct color for the SSIV polycast wheels for '71 and '72
Delta 88?  I know it is gray, but is it the same gray?  Is it the same gray
as the Ch*vy wheels?

Dave Betz
'72 Delta 88 Royale Convt.
'78 98 Regency 2 door coupe

- ----------
> From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 68 wheel color???
> Date: Tuesday, April 22, 1997 10:29 PM
>
> hanthorn wrote:
> >
> > On my 68, I have a set of SS II rally wheels, what color did they come
> > from the factory with??   My car is jade gold with a tan vinyl top.
>
> Grey.  You can order the "correct" paint from many of the olds parts
> suppliers (Year-one, Fusicks, etc).  Also, the 68 SS IIs had silver
> painted slots, instead of the bezels that were used in other years.
>
> -Dan

------------------------------

From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 01:58:21 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 Toro Questions

Regarding tilt/tele option, I am looking for a tilt/tele steering wheel for
my 72 88.  I have a good working column with a very poor wheel.  Prefer
black.  Thanks!

Dave Betz
1972 Delta 88 Royale Convt.
1978 98 Regency

- ----------
> From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 67 Toro Questions
> Date: Wednesday, April 23, 1997 12:15 AM
>
> The tilt & tele was new for 66 according to my "new" sales manuals and
> available on 88's, 98's and Toros. I have one in my 98 now and one that
> works better from a 66 Toro that I'm planning to transplant one of these
> weekends. Not sure this wheel was available on the 67's since they went
> to safety knobs due to federal regs that year. Maybe on the toros since
> they were unusual, but I think that tilt wheel changed for 67 in the
> 88s and 98s.
> cf
>
> >> The '66 I'm looking at for parts has the ~really cool~ steering wheel
> >with
> >> the horn buttons on the side of that butterfly shaped insert (Almost
> >wanted
> >> to say bowtie, but that just ruins the coolness...)  Is anyone still
with
> >my
> >> description (perfectly accurate as it is...)?  Is this wheel available
on
> >> the '67s too?  (Would I be violating originality by swapping them?
(Not
> >> that it'd matter, but I'm still curious.)
> >
> >My 66  Delta 88 has the wheel you like your Toro. Its also tilt and
> >telescoping. Do Y'all think this has ben transplanted from a Toro or was
> >this avaible on all big cars?
> >Walter
> >
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:41:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Original Plates & Personalized

>
>BTW, pesonalized plates cost only $10 extra the last time I checked.
>Needless to say, you can't get a plate to say anything intelligible anymore
>because everything good is taken.  Just reccently I tried to get YELOSUB but
>that was taken and even YEL SUB was taken.  I couldn't get anything even
>close to yellow submarine that made sense so I just opted for some black
>vintage tags.  A friend of mine out of desperation got MOK N 6 which is
>supposed to mean "mark(martin) in six" but he has to explain it to everyone
>so it's kinda pointless.  (The funniest plate i've ever seen, BTW, was
>TIH2-HO.  You will have to look at your monitor in a mirror to get that one.
>:) )

I've always been tempted to try TIHZ-TA3, but never had the nerve :)  The
offensive one I've really wanted to see done is FU Q2  (sorry if anyone's
offended here!) I just don't think they'd get ~that~ one!

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:54:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Open Air Filter Element Question

At 06:06 AM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>IT wrote:
>>
>> I was under the impresion that open end air  cleaners are supposed to
>> increase horespower.  I installed a open-end air elemet from Edelbrock on
>> my 1981 Delta 88 307 and all I got was hesitation and lousy performace.
>> When I press the gas, it feels like it will stall.  It is better when
>> warmer, but the weather has been pretty good (15 Celsius or so) and I don't
>> understand why.  There is no vacume leaks.  What could the problem be.
>IT,
>

Something I haven't seen addressed yet on this post merits a little
attention.  Some variations of aftermarket air cleaner bases don't clear all
carbs properly.  I've seen one in particular (on mine...) that would fit
just fine, but when fastened would push down on the accel. pump lever.  I'd
think you'd notice some mechanical problems with the throttle linkage, if
this were the case, but it's worth checking out.  Also make sure the air
cleaner lid isn't blocking off any vent tubes (Holley problem, usually) as
this can cause drivability problems as well.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 02:54:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro Parts Possibility

>>
>>      Nobody warned me about the carbs on these things.  Who do I have to
>> kill to get one!???!  I noticed tonight (after vaccuuming out the intake
for >> 1/2 hour) that no normal carb in existance will mate up to that intake!
>> (Unless I grind off half of the throttle linkage:)  I stuck around 8 of em
>> in there and none came close. > >I'm not sure what you exactly mean here.
Unless someone has changed >your linkage, most Q-Jets of that era work on that
end.  Possibly you >don't have the proper brackets on the intake for the
linkage. >

The problem exists with the lower part of the throttle lever (the linkage
attaches to it.  The lower part usually has a hole or other provision for a
TV/kickdown cable to attach to -- The part that makes the carb ~refuse~ to
lie flat on a workbench!)  This part hits on the intake.  My solution was to
take a spare throttle plate and attack it with the Makita grinder.  I buzzed
off that lower portion and it fit just fine.  I still need to modify the top
to accept the throttle cable & cruise linkage, but so far so good.  There's
no gas in the tank yet, but tomorrow I hope to hear it growl (Only ~little~
cars purr!)  I don't have any of the carbs of that era, however.  My last
425 had a mid 70's on it, and this one has nothing, and I haven't yanked any
at junk yards yet.  Although I have had one scoped out for a few months now...

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 03:49:32 -0300
Subject: Re:  Indy Pace Cars

At 07:38 P
>          I assume you mean the non-available convertibles in 1974, 77, 85,
>          and (presumably, since I haven't seen the car) 97.  Certainly, the
>          engines of the 74 and up cars were heavily modified to meet the
>          pace car performance requirements (actually, even the 72 H/O
>          required some mods, as detailed in Hot Rod magazine that year).
>          In addition, the 88 used a Quad 4, which wasn't even available in
>          the Cutlass Supreme body.
>

Our (College's) '88 Pace Car Convert didn't have the Quad 4 (I'm guessing
replica)  I think it has a 2.8, but it's been a while...  It sure was
gutless buy the time the students got done with it :(  Really neat car,
though.  My first experience with the Heads Up Display.  Got pics of the car
on my homepage, if anyone's curious...

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 03:49:40 -0300
Subject: Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su

At 11:38 PM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>please respond if you can help
>83 is dead and needs to be revived
>Please help the wolf
>

We need a bit more information to act on here.  I believe it was "The
Princess Bride" movie that discussed variations of dead (He's been mostly
dead all day...) and I think "Congo" mentioned five or six variations of
dead.  In automotive terms, dead can mean anything from a flooded intake to
a total loss, with thousands of stages in between.

First, does the engine crank.
     No?  Is the battery dead/there?  Is it in Park?
     Yes?  Does it fire?  Does it have spark?  Is there gas in the carb?  Is
there a strong gas smell?

Give us a couple answers to these questions and we'll go from there.  With
this list, if a problem seems excessively simple or broad, many of the
longer term members will leave it alone, and give the newcomers a chance at
it first.  Often times, something will just get glanced over.  Don't be
discouraged.  Most of us are glad to be of assistance, but we can only do so
much, without essential information.  In the automotive world there are
several different solutions to a single symptom, so with vital clues
missing, there's no way to accurately diagnose anything.  I hope that isn't
too tough to grasp.  I've talked to several people who are ~less than
mechanically inclined~ and have found it frustrating trying to diagnose
their problems when all they can say is "my truck's dead."  I've had people
tell me their truck won't turn over, when in reality it can crank all day,
but won't fire.  The phone line technician can be challenging at best, so
please, when you have questions, tell us as much as you can about the
problem.  Things like when it died, what the car was doing, etc.  The "dead"
scenario can mean two different things with the following stories:
     I put in $2.00 last Monday, and have been on "E" for the last three
days, and suddenly it just died in the middle of the road...
     or
     I had been fleeing from the cops the other night, and my oil light came
on at 130 mph.  Since the cops were still behind me, I kept going.  I found
a dark alley that led to a vacant lot, and stuck the car there for the
night.  It had been making loud metallic rapping noises for about twelve
minutes....

     As you can imagine, both scenarios would wind up with the same
condition.  THE CAR'S DEAD!  One case will require a few bucks in gas, and
maybe a jump start, and the other's gonna be looking at a $2000 overhaul,
after he gets paroled.

     It's late, I think I've made my point :)  I hope my first questions can
get you started on the right track. Oh, and by the way, you're not the only
one on the list :)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 03:49:35 -0300
Subject: Defending NASA's newest flame (Mostly Non Olds)

At 09:11 PM 4/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:30:17 -0300 Oldoldsguy@aol.com writes:
>>Denney.J.Keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov (Denney J Keys)----I am finally starting
>>to understand how NASA can put up a 60 million dollar mission only to
>>bring it home hours later.  Do you work half as hard at NASA with your
>>GOVERNMENT OWNED COMPUTER as you do on this OLDSMOBILE newsgroup?  >Why
>don't you  go fetch and try us again from home after your next successful
>>mission?
>
>I think this is entirely uncalled for !!!!  Just because some guy
>receives an e-mail at work and is kind enough to share this with us
>Oldsmobile fans, he gets a flame like this. OldOldsguy should go get his
>Depends changed!!!


At the risk of wasting bandwidth, I have to add my "me too" to this.
There's many things we don't know about the post in question, and Mr. Keys
business life is none of our business, especially if he doesn't want to make
it ours.  Perhaps NASA, like many other competitive business firms these
days actually takes steps to ensure employee satisfaction, and gives each
member internet access.  Perhaps this perk has another purpose, to be able
to reach employees quicker than by phone, and communicate more affectively.
He could have been sending from home.  I have an *.edu address, but I'm not
in class right now.  It's midnight.  Our server allows dial-up access.
Perhaps NASA offers that too?  I know it's relatively new technology, God
forbid our ~space~ program would have something like ~that~!  :)  Maybe he
~is~ reading his mail at work (I seem to recall many list members have done
that occasionally, and I think some had to go to digest, cuz they weren't
getting work done :( ...) I don't think that's any problem we need to be
concerned with, though.  I'm sure NASA offers coffee breaks occasionally,
would it be unethical to check mail in those 15 minutes?  I really doubt it.
How about a lunch hour?  Plenty of time to answer several posts.  Trust me,
it ~is~ possible to eat and type at the same time.  ~And~ possible to do so
without getting crumbs on the keyboard!  As for the Olds content, I
personally don't care if he's illegally tapping into satellite transmissions
to get his net access, as long as he has something useful or informative to
add, he's certainly welcome to do so without scrutiny from me.  (Unless he's
using ~my~ phone line...:)

In all fairness, I have to say the "Depends" comment is a bit uncalled for,
as well, and I won't fall to that level (although it ~is~ really easy to do)
but OldOldsguy, if you do have a concern with someone's employment status,
or the government's squanderring of money, and you ~really~ want to do
something about it, you can probably make one simple phone call (or if
you're at work, I'm sure there's an email address you can use, so you don't
tie up a phone line.)  Contact Key's employer.  Call NASA.  Get their take
on it.  I'm confident their supervisors would have already acted on the
situation if the time management was deemed a problem.  After all, they're
the ones that are supposed to be watching him, not us.  Odds are good
they'll tell you he's getting his work done well, and on time, so he's more
than welcome to utilize the extra time he's earned by surfing the net, etc.
Hey, it's better than playing Sega, right?  I'd give examples of ~real~
wastes of government funding, but we like to keep politics ~off~ of this
list, so I'd recommend keeping that in mind in regards to the NASA flame
post as well.

Sorry for the overwindyness of this!  I realize there's next to zero Olds
content in it.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 19:18:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Rearend gearing

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Steven LaCrosse wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me what they think is the best rearend gearing for a 69
> > 442 with a 455 H/O. I have a 3:55 I believe. At about 65 mph I'm at
> > about 4100 rpm. This is to high for my likeing. I was thinking around
> > 3:08 or 2:7?. I am able to trade even for a 3:31 but I don't think that
> > is gaining much.
>
> Steven,
>
> You are right that a 3.31 isn't a great deal of difference from a 3.55,
> but it is some.  I have trouble believing that you are really turning
> 4100 rpm at 65 mph.  Are your speedometer & tachometer accurate?  I
> would guess that 65 mph w/a 3.55 might cause a 3000-3200 rpm reading,
> but not as high as you suggest.
>
> I am complaining of my 3.91 & would be happy w/a 3.31 or 3.23.  I have
> had a 2.76, 2.93, & 3.08.  There just isn't enough for me & probably
> 3.23 is my preference.  I have used 3.23's for my family cars for years
> & they are a fine compromise between torque available & gas mileage.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Thanks Bill, But do you think it's worth the time to switch to a 3:31
from a what I think is a 3:55?? It will be a even trade, however it's a
four drive round trip to get it switched. Thanks Steve

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:26:55 -0300
Subject: Re: I know I shoulda paid attention but....

At 10:04 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>No, wasn't Soft Plug a Euro-pop band from the early '80s?
                 ^^^^
Nope, Soft _Cell_. Jeez, I'm embarassed to even know that...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 07:29:49 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Toro 455 build up ?'s

At 11:13 PM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am thinking of taking the 455 out of the 72 Toro I have setting in our
>salvage yard to build up to put into a 72 Cutlass Supreme 350/4bbl. Now can
>this block be built up for fairly cheap? Can I use the 350's factory dual

What shape is the shortblock now? If the cylinders aren't scored and there's
not a huge ridge at the top of the cylinders, check the bearings and use it
as-is (there's cheap for ya!).

>exhaust manifolds on the 455? I am looking at getting around 300-350 rear
>wheel horsepower. I do not have the funds to get expensive parts, I am
>looking at the el cheapo route for now. What kind of cost are we looking at
>to get the 72 block built to 70-72 W-30 factory specs? Is that possible? Or

Of course it's possible; all you really need is new pistons and a new cam
(in fact, that Toro's oiling system is superior to the W-30's)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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