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oldsmobile-digest          Wednesday, 21 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 686

Re: Cam walking
Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor
'67 Cutlass S Covert Chrome Pieces (WAS no subject)
Re: Olds Chat Link
Re: Wheel Hop
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: newcomer and a greenhorn
Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re: any 70's out there
Re: Olds Chat Link
Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
rods,rings,and other things
Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???
Re: rods,rings,and other things
Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re: New Pictures
Things people have said about my cars
Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
67 Delta 88 For Sale
Re: IVOC meet - long followup
Re: ac on vs. gas mileage
Home Dyno Kit....
Re[2]: Motor Oil, AC Compressor
Displacement formula
Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor
Re: newcomer and a greenhorn
Test: Please Ignore
71' 442
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: A sticky problem
Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re: any 70's out there
Re: Olds Chat Link
Re: Prize of a harmonic balancer
Re: Attn.. Bill Reilly
speedo cable lube
'69 wheel well moldings
Re: new papa-again!!
Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)
Re: speedo cable lube
Re: Oil discrepancies....
Re: Source for Hood Hinges for Fiberglass Hood?
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Re: Price of a harmonic balancer
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor
Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re: speedo cable lube
Olds Chat Link URL
Mystery motor kit

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From: "Mullen, R. Scott" <r_mullen@merck.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:05:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Cam walking

Brad wrote:
>When I had my  '71 455 (.060"= 468) rebuilt, the builder said not to use
>a cam button.  he said that when using hydraulic lifters, it is not
>necessary because "it pulls the cam into the correct place, eliminating
>the use of a cam button."  He also said that using a cam button can
>prematurely wear out the cam and cause severe damage, some of which I
>have heard of on this server.

Brad,
I'm a bit confused as to how the use of hydraulic lifters "pulls" the
cam anywhere.  Excessive cam end play causes erratic timing and
causes/is caused by (in a self reinforcing loop)timing chain stretch.
Using a cam button for 30K miles on my cam has certainly not caused any
damage and in fact stabilized my timing at high rpm range.  I can't
think of any reason why a device that eliminates cam end play would
cause premature wear on the cam.  Even the timing cover on my car shows
no effect from the cam button, since the bronze button is the
sacrificial (softer) component.  Anybody out there whose cam was
damaged/worn out by a properly installed button?

Luke, in answer to your original question, Mondello makes a bronze
spacer that installs behind the cam gear (between the gear and the
block) for use in setting up your cam properly.  I've used this spacer
and his bronze button with good success.
Scott Mullen

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From: Jay Britt <Jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:37:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

Charley Buehner wrote:


> Yes, God's gift to messes!  Some of the coolest stuff I've used for cleaning
> was not designed for that purpose, of course...  My ~all time favorite~
> chemical (aside from laquer thinner!) is Napa's Brakleen.  It's a

Believe it or not, I actually have some NAPA brakleen in the garage.
I'll try it tonight.

> Took it out without a trace.  ~AND~ got a good buzz off of it, too! ;)

You should have tried the bleach and ammonia.... (yes, I'm kidding)


> Just remember, chemicals are our friends.  (My future kids will have three
> arms to prove it!:)
Good Advice!. Thanks to everyone for there $.02 worth on this problem.
Since the car is being disassembled, I'll take all the glass out and put
it on the workbench, should make this removal a lot easier!

Thanks again,
Jay Britt
'67 Cutlass Supreme (with sticky windows)



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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:22:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

John M. Loban wrote:
>
> Don't forget the simple stuff when it comes to cars overheating.  For
> every pound of pressure the boiling point of water is raised about three
> degrees.  So don't forget to check that radiator cap for the correct
> pressure.  A 15lb cap will raise the boiling point to over 250 degrees.

On my 68 442, the cap say it is a 7lb cap.  Is this right?

Chris Sparks

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:52:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor

> Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> > that the A/C's draw on the engine uses less fuel than rolling the windows
> > down, because of wind drag, etc.  Never seen ~actual~ evidence to back
that > > up > > Ya know, I just thought I was crazy, but I have ran with the
AC on for > two days in a row now, and I've got about 60 miles on about 2.5
gallons > of gasoline -- that's _24_ miles per gallon!  Maybe that rumor is >
true...has anybody else had the same experience as me?

I remember hearing that, as a 'Rule of Thumb', the cut-off speed at which the
mileage decrease because of the drag from the A/C compressor .vs. the drag
from having the windows rolled down occurs around 50 - 55 MPH... in other
words, above this speed, fuel economy is better with the A/C on and the
windows rolled up.


Aww, even if it *does* have A/C, I'd rather waste a bit o' gas and drive
topless on the highway... :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:57:31 -0300
Subject: '67 Cutlass S Covert Chrome Pieces (WAS no subject)

> Anybody know where i can get replacement for chrome piece that boot
> cover attaches to on '67 Cutlass S Covert? Also need windshield trim for
> same.

Try giving Bill LaPierre a call, at (860)  763 - 3134.  He also has a web page
for his stuff, at http://marketspot.com/442.htm.  He's located in Somers, CT.
Specializes in '66-'67 CS & 442 stuff.  I drove down to his house a few months
back and picked up a lot of li'l trim pieces, in much better shape than the
ones I had, and the price was reasonable.

The lucky b*st*rd also lives about 5 miles from Fusicks :)

Hope this helps!!



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:39:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link

Hi Charley,
>
>      Hey all!  I stumbled across a server today, and as a result I now have
> a chat room installed on my web page.  Of course, it's titled "Rocket Talk"
> :)  Anyone wishing to do the "chat" thing is more than welcome and invited
> (pronounced "beg":) to come check it out.  Of course, if only one person
> checks it out at a time, it's gonna be ~really~ dull, but the site's there
> and ready, so if anyone (or everyone) has any common times...  I have no
> idea about system capacity on it, I don't think there really is a limit, so
> check it out, anyway...

Well I have tried it twice now and I have core-dumped both times.  It
happens
when I tried to enter my real name.

Later...

Chris Sparks

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:45:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Wheel Hop

Robert Barry wrote:

> Is this something that changed after the accident, or before?

I think before.

> The rear of the car lifting on launch is (generally) a good thing. It is due
> to the supsension geometry. A change in that characteristic would be due to
> a change in the suspension geometry and reaction, either through a lower or
> higher rear ride height (did you finally empty out your trunk?;), a change

Ya might have something here.

> in the characteristics of the tires, shocks, bushings (due to replacement or
> wear), or a change in the suspension mounting points (perhaps the accident
> tweaked your frame?), or a change in the car's weight distribution (been
> snacking on cheese-fries lately? ;).

Yes on the first question, No on the second :-)

> Or perhaps it's still doing it, but you've just become so used to it.

Mayyyybe.

<snipped>
 _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Thanks Doc!

Chris Sparks

p.s.  Sorry for so long in responding.

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:11:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

> From ravalent@liii.com Wed May 21 00:57:05 1997

> "Too bad it's not a 442"

Just to add to this thread; I've heard the above applied to Big Red.

Here are a few more said about my '67:

"Nice '66!"  -- Heard several times, and as recently as last month

"You got one of them 442 cubic inch motors in it, or just a 396?" -- Boy did I
laugh
                                                                     at this
one!!

"What?? Only a 350?!?" -- Heard semi-annually, also was the response when I
said 'no'
                          to the previous question.

"Why did you put the top down?  You'll *ruin* it!"

And one that I've found surprising:  "Are you the original owner?"
I usually say, "Yes, I am... I learned to save my money early, and bought it
for my 7th birthday!" :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 09:52:02 -0300
Subject: Re: newcomer and a greenhorn

Welcome to swim in the ocean of information !

Just curious, how many oldsmobiles is there in Jakarta ?

> I have just sent a mail order for manual book.
Was it a "Shop manual" or something else ?

If You can, order book written by Dennis Casteele.
The name is something like "The cars of Oldsmobile".

The book is very good and it contains quite detailed historical
information starting from the curved-dash models. I bought that
book from a local bookshop. I admire the professionality of the
owner of the bookshop. Propably that book is the best money can
buy if You want to read oldsmobile history.

Anyway, welcome to this list. This list contains a lot of
information in appetizing form.

- --
Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116

Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
                              0\\\  o  ;/\\
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight       \\        \/ \
1964 4D HT                    //////\ //\   \
Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:01:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

Charley Buehner recounted:

...My ~all time favorite~ chemical (aside from laquer thinner!) is Napa's
Brakleen....Some girls with us had been sitting on the trunk lip, and
apparantly peeled off the rubber molding back there.  And proceeded to get
butyl tape all over their backsides...

     And tell us you didn't volunteer to demonstrate the cleaning powers of
     Brakleen... ;)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Curt Salada <csalada@astea.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:08:29 -0300
Subject: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

>From: odang@vico.co.id (Jusuf R. Odang)
>Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:30:49 -0300
>Subject: newcomer and a greenhorn
>
>Hello,
>
>I'd like to introduce myself first, my name is Jusuf and I live in Jakarta,
>Indonesia.
>At present I am in the middle of restoring a '65 Oldsmobile delta 88 which I
>got it from my inlaw. I understand he bought it brandnew and shipped it to
>Jakarta in 1966.
>Now  Iam searching as much information on '65 Delata 88 as possible.
>
>I have just sent a mail order for manual book.
>
>I have zillion of questions in my head, but firstly can anybody give me a
>history of Delta 88, since its very hard to find articles on that subject.
>
>thanks a bunch,
>
>jusuf

Well, I can't imagine there are any subscribers more geographically
far-removed from Lansing, Michigan, than Jusuf in Jakarta.  Good luck
with the restoration, and welcome to the list.

>From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
>Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:54:29 -0300
>Subject: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
>
>        Hi all,I'am a little confused about the w-30 conv.     I
>alway's  thought that  the ( I Think) 69-72 442 ragtops w/ air  in the w-30
>option  was called w-32's.      Correct  if i'am  wrong.
W-32 was an option available in 1969 on the 4-4-2, and, according to the
Olds FAQ at www.442.com, in 1970 on the Cutlass Supreme SX.

In 1969, the W-32 option provided W-30 equipment with a milder cam and
mandatory auto transmission, as well as W-32 badges in place of the W-30
ones.  This option had nothing to do with whether or not the car was a
convertible.  I don't know whether a/c was available with W-32 in 1969.
Can anyone out there confirm?  The W-30 cam provided inadequate vacuum
for a/c and so a/c was unavailable with W-30 that year, so it stands to
reason that W-32, with its smoother cam, could have been sold to people
who wanted a performance boost *and* air conditioning.

As for 1970, I never heard of an SX W-32 before reading the Olds FAQ, so
I can't vouch for the accuracy of the info there, particularly with
regard to the following excerpt from the SX W-32 section:

"Reportedly, there were 7,197 SX-optioned Cutlass S models built that
year. The amount of
W-32 optioned cars built is listed as unknown. Apparently, there were no
W-32 emblems or
such to identify the 365hp motor (which was identical to the stock 442
powerplant, but only
called W-32 when installed in the Cutlass Supreme notchback body style).
Under the bumper scoops feed the 350 ci engine, but the W-25 OAI
fiberglass hood was optional. "

As far as I know, the 350 was not used in the SX, nor were
under-the-bumper scoops used after 1969.

Curt Salada
1971 Cutlass for sale -- see it at
http://scils.rutgers.edu/~djcohen/curt/olds

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From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:04:58 -0300
Subject: Re: any 70's out there

Sorry, missed the history of this Danbury Mint story.  Thought they were
producing a 70 442 conv, perhaps aa w-30?  any ideas on availability, colors,
scale, pricing???  Would love to duplicate my old car, now on the show
circuit on the East Coast, featured in the current Liquid Glass ads (with
SS1's and Eagle ST's no less!!! - the Polyglas original rwl tires were on the
original SSII's when I sold it), it's triple white, gold stripes, frame off
and loaded with options.  Anyone seen it???

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From: slick442@webtv.net (slick442)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 10:18:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link

Hello Chris,

I am new on this mailing list for the Oldsmobiles, we have a 1972 Olds
442 with a 455 engine and 4 speed transmission.  I would like to know
the addy for the rocket chat link if it is available.  Please get back
with me as soon as time allows you to.

Thank You,

Rosemary W.

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From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:11:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

Hey Everyone,

I'm back on the list after being gone for a few days, hope I haven't
missed too much.  I finally graduated from College and am officially
unemployed, but I received a nice 300 piece tool set from my Dad, so I can a
least keep busy with my Cutlass. The Aero Hurst kit I bought from Jeff Stanish
finally showed up yesterday :)  It'll be a while before I can get that
installed though :(

Well to add to this thread, I used acetone and some razor blades to remove the
sticky stuff from the windows. Be carefull around the rear defogger strips, I
cut one and now I get a big "bar" of fog right in the middle of my window.
Just take your time while doing this, It'll be worht it not to leave anything
on the windows for later, especially if you plan to retint them.

Oh, one more thing.  Please take notice that my e-mail adress has changed.
(Not that anyone cares)

Later,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 11:28:14 -0300
Subject: rods,rings,and other things

First,I would like to thank all the well wishers on the arrival of our new
baby girl and say that it has been interesting around here these last few
days!

But now on to the burning questions at hand:

        RODS: According to an article I read some years back,(Junkyard
Dog)some oiling improvement could be gained by notching the rods on the
mating side,upper surface a 1/2" wide and .012 deep. While in conversation
with a local and respected engine builder I asked what benefit the
modification would serve. He could see no benefit what so ever adding that
loss of idle end oil pressure would be detremental. I'm sure this was a Joe
Mondello suggested mod. Any of you out there running this mod or know of it
in use?

        RINGS: I would like to know the proper ring end gap for the 400
punched out .030. Is it the same as std and what might that be. The formula
for cubic inches would be nice also. I think I know but don't want to quote
w/out checking w/the motor head professors. boreXstrokeXªcyl??

        Other Things: Dr. Barry asked in his reply for the type kit I was in
need of. I need a kit to support a rebuild which will incorporate .010 under
turn on the crank, a .030 over bore(.040 rings)and gasket set w/valley pan.
This spawns another question. What effect is seen by filling in the port
that supplies hot exhaust to the intake? A harder time with a cold engine
start? What if any gain noticed. I realize in theory a dense mixture would
be achieved. Another question asked in my last msg was about axle codes. I
failed to put in the type of car. It is a 65 442. A list of possible axle
ratios would be appreciated. I think mine says GL or CL. Does this jive? I
could go on w/questions. It seems I have more of these than answers.

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:04:15 -0300
Subject: Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???

At 11:43 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Are the '66 425 "A" Heads any good?

'65 425's used the "A" heads; '66 425's used the "B" heads. The "A" heads
used a unique rocker-mounting system, so parts are more expensive and harder
to find. In terms of flow, in stock form they're supposed to flow less than
the later heads, but still better than the "J" heads. If you do any porting,
then what you start with is more or less irrelevant.

>Also, I have a '70 350 rockit fer
>sale out of my now 425 Olds Cutlass Supreme, what do you guys think I
>should ask for it?

How many miles, and how does it run? In need of a rebuild I've seen them for
$50-$150; in running shape, but still unrebuilt, $100-$300, depending on how
strong.

>Would Small Block ª6 Heads work better on my 425?

No. Though they'd raise the compression, you don't need more of that. They
flow significantly less air than any big-block head, so your hp would go
down (unless you _want_ that to happen...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:20:18 -0300
Subject: Re: rods,rings,and other things

At 10:28 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>        RODS: According to an article I read some years back,(Junkyard
>Dog)some oiling improvement could be gained by notching the rods on the
>mating side,upper surface a 1/2" wide and .012 deep. While in conversation
>with a local and respected engine builder I asked what benefit the
>modification would serve. He could see no benefit what so ever adding that
>loss of idle end oil pressure would be detremental. I'm sure this was a Joe
>Mondello suggested mod. Any of you out there running this mod or know of it
>in use?

Ya know, I've been wondering about this as well, since you're only cutting
the rods, and not the bearings under which the oil actually resides under
pressure. The oil that does get past the bearings would lubricate the side
of the rods, due to regular rod side clearance, but I don't know if these
channels would actually reduce oil pressure, since anything past the
bearings anyway has already "lost" its pressure.

I don't quite understand what the reasoning is behind this modification,
aside from the fact that Uncle Joe told us to do it (kind of like the tap-in
block restrictors supposedly restricting oil to the upper-end of the
engine...) Anyone ever galled the side of their rods because they didn't do
this mod?

[snip]
>       Other Things: Dr. Barry asked in his reply for the type kit I was in
>need of. I need a kit to support a rebuild which will incorporate .010 under
>turn on the crank, a .030 over bore(.040 rings)and gasket set w/valley pan.

That's Dr. _Bob_, thank you... ;)

No, what I meant was which size engine are you building? A 455? I'm
rebuilding my SX's 455 as well, so I've been scoping out rebuild kits, as
well as prices on forged pistons alone. I should have the comparison done by
tonight, so I can tell you who is offering what, for what price.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:20:22 -0300
Subject: Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

At 09:08 AM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>"Reportedly, there were 7,197 SX-optioned Cutlass S models built that
>year. The amount of
>W-32 optioned cars built is listed as unknown. Apparently, there were no
>W-32 emblems or
>such to identify the 365hp motor (which was identical to the stock 442
>powerplant, but only
>called W-32 when installed in the Cutlass Supreme notchback body style).

The stock engine was the L-31, which was rated at 365hp in the Deltas and
SX's; this had the small-valve heads and mild camshaft that was found in
those cars. The optional W-32 engine was also rated at 365hp, but used the
442's larger cam and intake valves, different carb jetting, etc.

Of course, rated and actual hp often had little to do with each other, so
the W-32 would have given better performance.

>Under the bumper scoops feed the 350 ci engine, but the W-25 OAI
>fiberglass hood was optional. "

>As far as I know, the 350 was not used in the SX, nor were
>under-the-bumper scoops used after 1969.

Correct on both counts.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:44:57 -0300
Subject: Re: New Pictures

SNIP-----
> '83 Cutlass's new 15" Chrome SSIII's.  (Actually, they're of the car, but it
> ~has~ those wheels on it now...)  Anyway, the page is here:
>
> http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/83newest.htm
>
>
SNIP


Where did you get the wheels from. What size ?  How much did they
cost  ?

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 12:59:01 -0300
Subject: Things people have said about my cars

I will throw some of the sayings I have heard about my 1980 4-4-2 W-30 car
out in the open.....

1. Is that a real 4-4-2?
2. That is a fake, they didn't make 4-4-2's past 1972
3. Why does your fender have a W-30 enblem? Is that the type of oil it takes?
4. Oh yeah, this car has the 442 cubic inch engine
5. Why did you put 4-4-2 badges on a 79 H/O?
6. And the icing on the cake......" Well if your car has a 350 engine
shouldn't it be called a 3-5-0 W-30?"

When I go to car shows with the 4-4-2 at least every other person approaches
the car and says "oh look, a 79 H/O"...then they see it is an 80 4-4-2 W-30
and I have to give the "no it is not a 79 H/O speech...."

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28......13.402 @ 102.31
76 Chevelle Malibu...new project street/strip car
80 Olds 442 W-30....times coming this Friday ;-)
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.will not see the track any time soon

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:07:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

At 11:11 AM 5/21/97 -0300, deirdre. reilly wrote:
>Hey Everyone,
>
>I'm back on the list after being gone for a few days, hope I haven't
>missed too much.  I finally graduated from College and am officially
unemployed,
>but I received a nice 300 piece tool set from my Dad, so I can a least keep
busy
>with my Cutlass.

Hey congratulations Bill! I graduated Sunday with my masters degree and am
unemployed myself, fun huh?


>Well to add to this thread, I used acetone and some razor blades to remove
the >sticky stuff from the windows. Be carefull around the rear defogger
strips, I >cut one and now I get a big "bar" of fog right in the middle of my
window. Just >take your time while doing this, It'll be worht it not to leave
anything on the >windows for later, especially if you plan to retint them.>


I have found that Mothers Mag and Aluminum Wheel Polish works woders in
getting some sticky stuff or paint off of some surfaces. I use it to clean
most any metal or plastic that is stained, etc.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28......13.402 @ 102.31
76 Chevelle Malibu...new project street/strip car
80 Olds 442 W-30....times coming this Friday ;-)
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.will not see the track any time soon

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:20:42 -0300
Subject: Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?

>I also have a vacuum problem maybe someone can h*lp me with.  I have two
>vac. lines coming from inside the car through the firewall ,  i know that
>one goes to the vac. canister on the firewall but have no clue where the
>other goes.Thanks Luke

Typically, one goes to (or from, actually :-) the vacuum canister; the
other goes to the vacuum-operated valve in one of the two heater hoses
connected to the heater core. I think the heater valve line was gray.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:19:54 -0300
Subject: 67 Delta 88 For Sale

Here is a good buy for someone. This is from: =
http://www.classifieds2000.com


                 1967, Oldsmobile=A0Delta 88, 120K miles, $3,600 firm

                   Options
                                  Light Blue exterior, Light Blue =
interior
                                  Air Conditioning
                                  Classic Car
                                  Two Door
                                  Automatic Transmission

                   Description
 Verrry Cherry Great looking & running car 2 Door, White Hardtop, Bucket =
Seats, Console Shift. THIS CAR WAS TAKEN CARE OF.........A RARE
 FIND IN THIS CONDITION!!

                   Seller Info
                                  For sale by private party

                                  (904) 478-4722 [Day]

                                  (904) 941-0574 [Eve]

                                  brink@pen.net

                                  Pensacola, Florida 32503

                   Post Date
                                  20-MAY-97


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:10:12 -0300
Subject: Re: IVOC meet - long followup

Was off Monday, no time Tuesday . . . More on the IVOC meet - follow up on all
 the posts so far . . .

As Chris, Karl, and Daren have said, an excellent day, about 80 Olds', '36,
'38, many 50's (!), 4-5 Starfires (!), 5-6 Deltas (!), Cutlass', many 442's,
W-30's, but almost no Toros.

It was great to meet Karl who found a great deal on parts cleaner!. And Chris,
 who was just about to show me exactly what the Olds windowed mains look
like! Glad to hear Chris' son is ok! Jeff of OCA CCC (Cutlass Coupe Chapter)
had his '75 W-30 (sorry if that is wrong) there, meet a friend (Paul?) of his
w/a Pace car replica. Hope you guys signed up many new chapter members!

I took tons of notes, gathering more authentication info for the FAQ. People
were super nice! Many thought I was a judge - it's 8:30am and "are they
judging already"? Found more ways to id the '49-'64 engines, how to
substantiate a '66 W-30, learned some single to dual w/single manifold
exhaust tricks, saw the Wonderbar setup, the cool Starfire side outlet
exhaust(!). Saw the PolyCast wheels in person - very nice! Most of the cars
were all original - which helps with gathering authentication info.

All in all it was a great day, sunburn and all!


Yarding
- -------
Only hit one place.
A&B: This place seems to have a lot of parts laying around - a condition that
usually means high price. Chris said price depends on the owner's attitude for
 the day. Probably better to show up early, during the week, before the Old
Style is running low (!), or bring a six. Much older stuff, and they are
clearing the bodies out, keeping the engines/trans.

Some notables:
- - 1957 Dynamic 88: dash pad still soft, uncracked, in cleanable condition.
Dash guages in nice shape. The '57's crank turned from the torque of the less
than ideal 12" adjustable wrench. - - A couple of other '50s Olds'. - - A
number of 394's, 371's. 2 or 3. - - A couple of Buick nail head or 400-430's.
Not sure on CID. - - "White" brand straight 6 or 8. A few other cast iron
cubic rectangle straight 6 and 8's.

I've got to get that pocket notepad!


> You didn't happen to be taking notes on the '66 or 7 black tri powered
Cutlass > and the owner told you it wasn't entered in the judging? 'cause I
was standing > right there. - ---------- Daren, um, yes. Sorry about this, but
did you introduce yourself? I was wearing the jean shirt, Green and Gold
(subtle Packer) cap. Shoot! These guys and the red '66 W-30's (had the air
cleaner, but the number wasn't visible on the top or front) owner were telling
me about '66 W-30 authentication. Sorry you couldn't stay longer.

> Oh-well next show is July 26 Uftring Olds fun show Washington, IL.
> Next time we'll have to meet at or before the show at a certain time so we
> will all be able to get together.
>
> As for the near future, it would be nice to have a get-together with some
> other list members nearby, at some time soon.  Had a good time, was just a
> little too short (so much Olds. to discuss... so little time...).
- -----------
Yes, let's do this. In fact, maybe try to car pool. Chris, Karl, one of you
guys want to sort of coordinate this, post the details, keep track of who's
going, etc? There is also the Olds Homecoming on Saturday June 14 in Lansing.
A show at Renner Olds in Milwaukee, WI on Saturday June 28 - near my old
stomping grounds. Time to meet the Greg K., the Toro faqmeister!


Hitting A&B again
- -----------------
If you guys could, I'd like to take a full day during the week for yarding.
Hit some other yards in the area and more to the north near Madison (that
I've heard are good). Maybe stop by A&B, get prices, leave, see what we can
find (like a < $50 intake/carb for Karl), and maybe stop back at A&B. I'm
taking Tuesday May 27 off, but that's' kind of late notice. I've got lots of
time saved, so let me know.


I'm sure I left of someone and something notable. I'll follow up if you want
me to.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:31:53 -0300
Subject: Re: ac on vs. gas mileage

Jason- in my owners manual of the Olds, it says something to the effect of--
'around town, open the windows for air. Above 50 mph, use the ac. At this
speed the ac and the reduced wind resistance of the windows being up is at the
even point'.In other words, at 50, the car is as gas efficient w/ the ac on as
w/ the ac off and the windows down. Above 50, it is more economical to use
the ac then to open the windows.




=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:00:28 -0300
Subject: Home Dyno Kit....

I have seen some chatter here about dyno's and stuff recently so I thought I
would post this. One of the members of the F-body mailing list has created a
home dyno kit that looks very easy to use. I haven't got a chance to do this
yet. Let me know if any of you guys/gals do this and how successful it is.

go to:

http://www.charm.net/%7Emchaney/homedyno/dynokit.htm
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28............13.402 @ 102.31
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..restoration project

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:37:21 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Motor Oil, AC Compressor

Nice summary of info on AC. When you get into the details of how these
work, it's pretty neat stuff. Compress a gas to high pressure, it
liquifies, remove some of it's heat, push it through a small orifice into a
low pressure area, it boils, becomes a gas, creates a cold spot, gather the
gas to compress to high pressure, repeat.

GM now (since late 80's) uses a variable displacement compressor that
doesn't cycle (forgot the model name). It's aluminum body is prone to
warpage and needed $$$ replacement. A word of caution: If these leak a lot
of their oil (different than the R-12 or R-134 refrigerant), get some oil
added before running the A/C.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:14:59 -0300
Subject: Displacement formula

     The formula for engine displacement is simply the volume of one
     cylinder times the number of cylinders:

     pi*radius^2*height = volume of cylinder

     pi = 3.14159
     radius = bore/2
     height = stroke

     therefore,

     Volume of one cylinder = 3.14159*(bore/2)^2*stroke

     Displacement of engine = vol*number of cyl

     Example:

     Olds 455 has a 4.250" stroke and a 4.125" bore

     3.14159*(bore/2)^2*stroke*no. of cyl.

     3.14159*(4.125/2)^2*4.250*8=454.38 cu in (GASP!...It's really a 454!)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/o
     70 W-30

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From: Karl Davlin <kdavlin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:50:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor

Matthew Mayer wrote:

> Jason Adcock wrote:
> >
> > Hey all...yep, I've got some more questions  ;-)
> >
> > Also, what is the difference between "MAX" and "NORM" on the air
> > comditioner?  I know that on NORM, the compressor cycles on and
> off...I
> > can't tell if it cycles on and off on the MAX setting.  Will this
> cause
> > premature compressor failure if I drive to work (~14 miles) with the
>
> > compressor on MAX?  Also, a related question...what if,
> hypothetically
> > speaking ;-), I _DID_ drive to work with the thing on MAX (those
> t-tops
> > ~really~ let in the heat..I should change my license plates to
> > 'GRENHOS').  Does this mean that my AC is in needing of a charge?
> >
> Jason,
>   one more thing happens when in MAX mode.  The system supplies vacuum
>
> to the heater water valve cutting off coolant flow through the heater
> core. (Found this out during my investigations of the HVAC controll
> system when I broke my vacuum line...it's amazing what you can learn
> after screwing something up....)
>
> --
> ---Matt
> '86 442
> --------------------------------------------------------
> mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
> remove the "spoiler" for replies |
> --------------------------------------------------------

 Max - recycles the air in the car
norm - draws outside air

Other than that, there is no difference.

        Karl

I still can't get off of this dist. list!!!!!!!!  Yes, I followed the
procedure exactly!

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From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:27:36 -0300
Subject: Re: newcomer and a greenhorn

>
> ON May 21, Jusuf R. Odang from Jakarta wrote:
>
>
> I'd like to introduce myself first, my name is Jusuf and I live in Jakarta,
> Indonesia.
> At present I am in the middle of restoring a '65 Oldsmobile delta 88 which I
> got it from my inlaw. I understand he bought it brandnew and shipped it to
> Jakarta in 1966.
> Now  Iam searching as much information on '65 Delata 88 as possible.
>
> I have just sent a mail order for manual book.
>
> I have zillion of questions in my head, but firstly can anybody give me a
> history of Delta 88, since its very hard to find articles on that subject.
>
> thanks a bunch,
>
>
> jusuf

Jusuf:

  You might also look out for the newest book on Oldsmobile called "100
Years of Oldsmobile" by Helen J. Early and ____ Wilkes.  I think that is
the right title and authors as we have loaned out our copy at the moment.
It is a book on the history of Oldsmobile which has just come out for
Oldsmobile's Centennial this year.  Those of us who belong to the Oldsmobile
club of America were lucky enough to have a copy mailed to us by Oldsmobile,
but I believe it is also available through the R.E.O. Museum in Lansing,
Michigan.  The book is absolutely full of history about the cars, the
plants, and R.E. Olds himself, with lots of pictures.  It is a nice
complement to the book by Dennis Casteele.  The 100 Years book also includes
charts with production figures, vital stats on the various vehicles for
each year.

Good Luck in finding / getting hold of a copy.

Sherry Soball
British Columbia Oldsmobile Club
1955 Holiday 98 Coupe
email:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca

>
>
>


- --

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:32:31 -0300
Subject: Test: Please Ignore



------------------------------

From: Robert and Susan Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:37:01 -0300
Subject: 71' 442

I'm looking for books with as much info on this year 442 as I can find.
I also am collecting pictures of all year 442's so send them in to me
at  rcolombo@sonic.com

I'm also still looking for a center console for my 71'442. It's black
with the wood panel down the middle. The lid to the box broke off years
ago and I don't know if I can just replace the lid or if I must replace
the whole thing?

Are there any olds clubs near Petaluma Ca.(50 miles north of San
Francisco?)

Thanks for any response  Colombo's 71' 442

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From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:31:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Hey folks --
Nothing gets our goat so much as people who tell us our 1955 98 Holiday
Coupe is a nice Ch*vvy!!!!  We've also had it called a B**ck which isn't
quite so bad, but really....

Sherry Soball
B. C. Olds club
email: soballs@douglas.bc.ca

- --

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:17:16 -0300
Subject: Re: A sticky problem

>> The adhesive should
>> turn to a gelatinous goo and be easily wiped off.

This description sounds familiar: mineral spirits will do this, too.
I use it every spring to get last year's town sticker off the windshield.
Yank the plastic off, wipe the leftover adhesive with mineral spirits
and it goes squishy/gooey immediately. Squeegee most of it off with a
razor blade; wipe off leftover bits with a paper towel.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:38:21 -0300
Subject: Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

> Well, I can't imagine there are any subscribers more geographically
> far-removed from Lansing, Michigan, than Jusuf in Jakarta.  Good luck
> with the restoration, and welcome to the list.

Just to correct you on your reply... I am not living in the country,
but am on deployment with the Marine Corps and right now am in the
middle east several days west of Jakarta. It's neat to finally see
some posts from somebody who is not in the States. It's great to hear
that Olds is everywhere in the world!

Ben
'62 F-85
'68 442

------------------------------

From: DavidB442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:42:27 -0300
Subject: Re: any 70's out there

1970 Olds Cutlass Convertible Sebring Yellow w/ black top and interior.
350cid , auto, Super Stock II wheels, ps,pb ac,front bench, 135,00 miles, 2nd
family  own! 4 drivers total, Great paint and body no rust. needs some engine
work. Garaged west coast car. $7500 or best offer.

------------------------------

From: DavidB442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 18:54:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link

Charley,
  What's the web address there buddy?
Would love to check you out.

DavidB442@aol.com

P.S.  I'm down now to only a pair of '68 442's
one hard top, one drop top!

------------------------------

From: DavidB442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:06:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Prize of a harmonic balancer

That's not at all a bad price. Balancers for most v-8 cars go for around
$75-$125
so I say go for it.

DavidB442@AOl.com

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From: Mark_Tonazzi@nt.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:36:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Attn.. Bill Reilly

        Reply to:   RE>>Attn.. Bill Reilly

Bill, what is your degree and where are you located, I may have an =
opportunity for you.

Mark Tonazzi

- --------------------------------------
Date: 5/21/97 1:46 PM
To: Mark Tonazzi
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Hey Everyone,

I'm back on the list after being gone for a few days, hope I haven't
missed too much.  I finally graduated from College and am officially =
unemployed,
Well to add to this thread, I used acetone and some razor blades to =
remove the
sticky stuff from the windows. B

------------------------------

From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:15:40 -0300
Subject: speedo cable lube

I have noticed a slight wavering in my speedometer, so it looks like it's
time to lube the cable.  What is the best type of lubricant to use for
the job?


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:15:40 -0300
Subject: '69 wheel well moldings

>Outside, it had
>chrome
>moldings several inches above the rocker panels and wheel openings,
>with
>contrasting paint below. A very rare model these days.

Yes, mine is a '69 Supreme (not S), and I am missing all of these
moldings.  They were "lost" by a body shop about ten years ago.  What
really happened was they removed them by breaking off all of the speed
nut studs, instead of removing the speed nuts from the studs on the rear
of the body panels.  Then they threw them away.  I found one short piece
for the quarter panel hidden in the trunk.

If anybody has a set of these moldings or knows where they can be gotten,
please, let me know!


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:15:41 -0300
Subject: Re: new papa-again!!

>I have looked and
>have
>found a stamp that appears to read CL or GL. Does this jive with 65
>axle codes?

Yes, it's a '65 98, correct?  It should be QL; that would be a 2.73 posi.

>I
>would
>like to know the correct applications for them. Numbers are: 7040202
>and 7043252

The 7040202 is from a 1970 Chevrolet with an automatic transmission, and
is not approved for California emissions.

The 7043252 is from a 1973 Oldsmobile with an automatic transmission, and
is not approved for California emissions.


>        3. Does anyone out there know the most reasonable vendor for
>rebuild
>kits and olds bronse paint.

Kits for what?  I haven't had any luck finding a paint to match the Olds
bronze.

>Thanks in advance for the help!

You're welcome in arrears!


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:35:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)

>From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
>> [Andy sits at his desk, oblivious, idly picking his nose and staring
>> off into space as he waits for the stop sign over his desk to turn
>> green...]
>
>Well, now we know why Andy switched to digest mode.  He has so much to do
>during the day.

CROWD: Oooooh!

>> ...staining both sides of the page, but fortunately only a lame attempt
>> at ASCII artwork is obliterated.]
>> >   **
>> >    *6 Tor*
>> >Th* /*** /\ a*d Mike
>
>Seems the rats in Chicago are gnawing on my sig.

No, those are coffee splotches...

>> You can find it right next to the Mike Frederick Memorial Jackstands:
>> "Giving New Meaning to the term 'Toro Supporter'".
>
>Just below shelf with the Andy "I don't really HAVE an Olds" Green 1/24
>scale Pontiac complete with realistic bubble tint windows.

[There is a gasp from the crowd...]

CROWD: Gasp!

[...and like an audience at a tennis match, all heads turn in unison as
Andy steps up to the keyboard. Mike, mopping his brow, retreats to his
Toronado and gets in. There is a short delay while he attempts to get
the door open, and another as he slams it a couple of times before it
stays shut.]

Yes, it's true: I do not currently have an Olds.

CROWD: Gasp!

And I want you to know why I do not currently have an Olds.

[Violin music begins to play softly in the background...]

For many years I had a Cutlass. It was dark blue. It had T-tops. I had
it for eight years. It was the second one in a row I had owned. I named
it "Checkers"...

[The music swells. Scattered sniffles are heard from the crowd.]

But as the years went by, time took its toll on the car, and the
Chicago roads were not kind. It got to the point where I could not
give the car the kind of care it deserved.

[Muffled snorts of anguish from the crowd, and honking of hankerchiefs.
Mike, expecting the crowd to have lynched Andy by now, looks out of his
car, puzzled at the silence...]

So I turned to the Olds Owners' Email List, in the hopes that I could
find a better home for it there, somewhere where it would be sheltered,
perhaps even have a garage of its own.

[Sighs from the audience; several members are openly weeping. Mike
attempts to wind his window down to hear the speech, but the window
refuses to move. He starts frantically flipping through pages of Andy's
postings, looking for something on troubleshooting window circuits.]

And I found a new owner for it, one who lived in Kansas, where they don't
salt the roads as much and the only shooting of guns is aimed at signs, not
cars. I have not seen it for some time, but I know it's happy out there
somewhere, and I am glad it went to a good home.

[Several members of the audience are now overcome with emotion and are
being carried out on stretchers. Mike finally gets his door open again, and,
forgetting that the car is up on jackstands, tumbles out the door. Recovering
nicely, he dusts himself off and totters back up to the podium...]

>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and Mike

We await further comment.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:33:20 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

I use lithium grease. If I recall the Chassis Service Manual (aka Oldsmobible)
calls for lubing 1/3 of the cable and letting it's action spread the grease.
These cable are cheap, you might consider replacing it for the $7.00 or so
since yours may be original.

While we're on the topic, anyone know where I can get a good used cruise
control speedo cable for my 66 98. It wavers like h*ll so I've gone back
to the old direct from wheel to speedo cable (thankfully saved).
cf

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From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@spoiler.interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:53:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil discrepancies....

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Daren@qconline.com wrote:
> >
> > OL>:-) Thanks!  But I still can't figure out what could be taking up the
> > OL>"space" in the engine for the 5th quart (or so..) that I have always
had > > OL>to put in to top it off... > > > > The oil filter? > > > > Daren >
> > > O.C.A. ª23571 > > daren@qconline.com > > Should be...they say to buy 4
quarts for an oil change...5 quarts if > you're changing the filter as well.

Therein lies the mystery, I am changing the filter as well, but am
reading full with only four quarts in the engine...

- --
- ---Matt

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
remove the "spoiler" for replies |
- --------------------------------------------------------

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:07:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Source for Hood Hinges for Fiberglass Hood?

At 12:37 AM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a source for hood hinges for the W30 fiberglass hood?
>My car is a '71. Would the 70-72 be exactly the same?  Thanks.
>
>
        If you have an original hood you use the same springs as the
standard hood. If you have a reproduction one then Year One offers the light
wweight springs to use with these.

Jim Chermack

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:04:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

>On my 68 442, the cap say it is a 7lb cap.  Is this right?

Apparently so...  :o

Radiator caps are made to hold different amounts of pressure, 7 lb. and
15 lb. caps being two different examples.  I have a 15 lb. cap on my
Cutlass.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:04:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Price of a harmonic balancer

>I just called to Fusic and they had the harmonic balancer in stock.
>
>They are asking $100 of it. Is that a good prize ?

That price is not too bad.  When I needed one for my '69 350 (you have a
394, yes?), I called the Olds dealer (they still had 'em!) and if memory
serves, I think they wanted somewhere in the nieghborhood of $80 for one.
 I got a used one from a '66 330 at the junkyard, however, for $25.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:04:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

>"Nice '66!"  -- Heard several times,

Hey, Tim!  Nice '66!

>"You got one of them 442 cubic inch motors in it, or just a 396?"

Ahh, yes, the infamous (and some claim non-existant) Oldsmobile 442 cid
motor!  Everytime my landlord sees my car, the Cutlass Supreme four door,
he ~always~, without fail, asks if it's a 442, with the 442 cid engine!
I used to try to explain to him every time that it is ~not~ a 442, it has
a 350 in it, Olds never made a 442 inch engine, etc, etc.  Since he can
never seem to remember anything I say, now I just tell him, "Yes, it's
got the 442 in it, real strong motor, runs great!"  At least he can tell
it's an Olds...


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:19:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor

>I remember hearing that, as a 'Rule of Thumb', the cut-off speed at which
the mileage
>decrease because of the drag from the A/C compressor .vs. the drag from
having >the windows rolled down occurs around 50 - 55 MPH... in other words,
above this speed, >fuel economy is better with the A/C on and the windows
rolled up. > > >Aww, even if it *does* have A/C, I'd rather waste a bit o' gas
and drive topless on >the highway... :) >

Of course, the top being down creates a completely different drag scenario,
and I'd imagine it's still less turbulent than having ~just~ the windows
down, since there's no back window and seating cavity to block the
airflow...  Sooooooooo, take it off!!!  :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:16:54 -0300
Subject: Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

At 10:08 AM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>        Hi all,
I'am a little confused about the w-30 conv. alway's  thought that  the ( I
Think) 69-72 442 ragtops w/ air  in the w-30 option  was called w-32's.
Correct  if i'am  wrong.

>W-32 was an option available in 1969 on the 4-4-2, and, according to the
>Olds FAQ at www.442.com, in 1970 on the Cutlass Supreme SX.
>
>In 1969, the W-32 option provided W-30 equipment with a milder cam and
>mandatory auto transmission, as well as W-32 badges in place of the W-30
>ones.  This option had nothing to do with whether or not the car was a
>convertible.  I don't know whether a/c was available with W-32 in 1969.
>Can anyone out there confirm?  The W-30 cam provided inadequate vacuum
>for a/c and so a/c was unavailable with W-30 that year, so it stands to
>reason that W-32, with its smoother cam, could have been sold to people
>who wanted a performance boost *and* air conditioning.
>
>As for 1970, I never heard of an SX W-32 before reading the Olds FAQ, so
>I can't vouch for the accuracy of the info there, particularly with
>regard to the following excerpt from the SX W-32 section:
>
Hi there,

        I would like to give you the most recent info I have on the SX W-32.
I've owned one of these cars for 9 years. The 7,197 SX's built in 70 is
correct. The number I have for the SX W-32 is 1,025. I don't know how
accurate that is. I know there were not too many made. During the model year
they changed the base engine from the L-33 445 2bbl to the L-31 445 4bbl.
The W-32 cars have a different transmission than the L-33 or the L-31 cars.
They both use the OD code TH400. The W-32 uses the OG code TH400 found in
the base 442. The W-32 cars that I have seen have had more performance
options than a non W-32. 3.08:1 and the 3.23:1 were found in alot of the
W-32's. The others had 2.56:1 being the most common. Hope this helps you
with your questions.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:16:53 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

>These cable are cheap, you might consider replacing it for the $7.00
>or so
>since yours may be original.

Yes, I'm sure it's original.  Can they still be had at the dealer, or do
I have to go aftermarket/repro for one?


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:29:16 -0300
Subject: Olds Chat Link URL

At 06:54 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Charley,
>  What's the web address there buddy?
>Would love to check you out.
>


          The address for the chat page is:

http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/oldschat.htm

Some mail readers will let you click right on this link, and go there.
The home page (on which it resides) is in my sig file below, and should also
be clickable on most newer mail readers. Like I said before, it's likely to
be really dull until a few members start getting there at the same time.  I
talked to myself for a while there yesterday...  No, I didn't get into a
flame war!  ;)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:21:40 -0300
Subject: Mystery motor kit

I love to see replys generated by my messages. In the new papa post I asked
for info on rebuild kits.It has been brought to my attention that I failed
to give any info on the type of motor I was in need of a kit for. Please
Forgive!!! It is a 65 400.

BTW what is the significance of the 3/8" studs on these A series heads. Does
it make it easy for performance mods?


Jim Smith
65 442

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