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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 29 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 699

Re: 200-4R shift points
Re: timing chain - 3800
RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine
Re: Is it worth it?
Life Without Posie
Re: Is it worth it?
Olds show in Indy
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Re: NEED PULLEY
Re: What size carbs yall think?
Everyone read!!
Everyone read!!
Re: timing chain - 3800
Desktop dyno
'72 Cutlass Question
Re: timing chain - 3800
racial slurs
Re: Is it worth it?
NGK plugs for Olds
Re: Everyone read!!
Re: Everyone read!!
Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
Kidnapped daughter returned raped and beaten, but alive (was: Is it worth it?)
ADMIN: re. racial slurs
Re: racial slurs
Re: Radio Speaker Info
Hot Rod Super Nationals - schedule of events
Holleys really suck
Re: Holleys really suck
Re: Everyone read!!
Re: Holleys really suck
Re: Hot Rod Super Nationals - schedule of events
Re: Holleys really suck
Oldsmobile confusion
68 442 hood
** parts for sale**
** parts for sale**
none
Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
where is everyone?
Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs
Ok, you guys know whats going in on here.
Regarding the Note to myself (425 bumpstick)
'72 w/T-Tops -- NOT!  It's a '77
mondello's degree of vacuum
Chat room!
RE: Oldsmobile confusion
Re: ** parts for sale**
Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
Re: '72 Cutlass Question
Re: where is everyone?
racial slurs & ***parts for sale***
Re: where is everyone? (fwd)
Re: where is everyone? (fwd)
Re: Oldsmobile confusion
Ooops, apologies (was Re: where is everyone? (fwd)
Re: timing chain - 3800
Address for chat room needed
Re: 425 bump-stick

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 05:58:11 -0300
Subject: Re: 200-4R shift points

>I installed the B&M shift kit in my '87 200-4R  I used the new pressure
>regulator spring and drilled the spacer plate.  2-3  shift much better but
>1-2 still soft and sluggish.  I installed the 1-2 accumulator spacer and
>1-2 shift firmed up nicely.  However, the 1-2 shift point is not
>consistent.  From a standing start it shifts at 4800 RPM consistently, but
>if I have a rolling start, power brake at higher than 1500 rpm, or if the
>tranny cools down, it goes to 5500 RPM consistently.  I have tried
>different TV cable settings but still the same (did not do before shift
>kit).
>
>I have since installed Grand National intermediate servo pistons and cover
>which now really barks the tires on 1-2 shift at WOT.  No change in shift
>point variation.  I then installed B&M line bias spring - same results.
>The shift point is always 4800 or 5500.  Anybody experience this before???

You could try the turbo regal homepage:
http://ni.umd.edu/gnttype/www/

They have tons of info on the 200-4r.  I haven't worked on one (yet) but
from what I've read it could be the pressure regulator valve sticking or the
accumulator binding or sticking.  Cracked or misaligned valvebody plate
seals may also cause shift problems.

Good luck

Greg Pruett

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From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 03:19:01 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

>I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.
>
>I've been told that timing chain problems can trash this motor unless I
>change it.
>
>Motor has never been apart - do I need to do anything to this?
>
>Anybody have any suggestions?
>
>Jeff


Jeff --

First of all you have a 3.8 liter V-6 and ~not~ a 3800.  Believe it or not
these are two entirely different engines.  The 3800 was a mid '88 year to
present engine.  The 3800's use a roller chain with a steel gear and a
counter-rotating balance shaft. They rearely need replacing. The old 3.8's
(like yours) uses the old nylon gear and link chain.  By all means change
it!  It is an interferance engine and you could bump the valves on the
pistons if it jumps too far!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:27:41 -0300
Subject: RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine

Great Fax it to me at 706-798-2353.

Thanks Jason


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ...Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
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From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, May 29, 1997 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Cc: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

At 09:20 AM 5/29/97 -0300, Etzel Bobby wrote:
>Jason is there any way you can fax or scan the article. I would like to
read it.
>

Well I don't have a fax or a scanner at my home, but I will be at the
salvage yard Saturday (we have a fax there) and can fax you or anyone =
else
that wants one then? Let me know..
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 =
stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.html



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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:32:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

>I agree with the others....re-build the car!, return it to factory
>original. My 1986 442 was hit in the front, hard,.....believe it or
>not.....at a car show,

Yeesh.  :-(  How the heck did _that_ happen? The monster truck demo
get a little out of control?

>(the accident picture can be viewed at the site
>below, just click the car).

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/wrecked.htm

...will take you straight there. Not for the faint of heart...


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:42:04 -0300
Subject: Life Without Posie

I have a 1964 Olds 442 with the stock Rear End. I have already built
the motor and tranny for High Performance. I would like to add a
Posie Rear end but I do not know which year(s) will fit the Olds with
out having to make many modifications.Can someone help me????

Distressed in Boston

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:00:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> >I agree with the others....re-build the car!, return it to factory
> >original. My 1986 442 was hit in the front, hard,.....believe it or
> >not.....at a car show,
>
> Yeesh.  :-(  How the heck did _that_ happen? The monster truck demo
> get a little out of control?
>
> >(the accident picture can be viewed at the site
> >below, just click the car).
>
> http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/wrecked.htm
>
> ...will take you straight there. Not for the faint of heart...
>
> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

- -------------------------

That's the before picture, $10k & 9 months later gets you
http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/442.htm

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 5/24/97)

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 16:32:02 -0300
Subject: Olds show in Indy

Just got this in the mail today.
The Indiana Olds Chapter is having their 8th annual Rocket Roundup Sat June
7.  Directions: From Indy, take I-465 South to the US 31 South exit.  Drive
south approx. 3 to 4 miles. look for Ray Skillman Olds-GMC dealership on
right.  Registration is from 9 to 11:30am, entry fee only $12.  Door
Prizes.  Free soft drinks and hot dogs. 24 awards.  50-50 drawing.
T-shirts and dash plaques to first 75 entrants.  For more info contact
Randy or Brenda 317-831-7288

I went last year and it was pretty good.  Had a variety of cars from 50's
to 80's, not many 68-72 Cutlass though.  One guy had an unrestored 70 W-30
and it looked it, very worn and faded with some rust.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
1977 Ford LTD - hey it was free

------------------------------

From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:50:42 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

Daren@qconline.com wrote:
>
> OL>A question for performance guys
>
> OL>The engine
> OL>455 +.030
> OL>11:1 forged pistons
> OL>Strapped mains/restricted top end
> OL>Ported polished "E" heads
> OL>Stainless valves w/ machined stems
> OL>Roller rockers
> OL>.540/.540 252@.050 cam
> OL>unilite w/ Constant Discharge ignition
> OL>2" primary headers
> OL>Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
> OL>Dual quad tunnel ram
>
> OL>  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
> OL>850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s
> OL>I dont want to over carb with the 850's and I dont wanna
> OL>under carb with all the porting work.  Can the 850's be jetted
> OL>to run on my motor? or will I be better off with smaller carbs?
> OL>
> OL>Ken
>
> I ran your combo thru Drag Strip Plus. Some of the info I guessed at so
> the actual out come might be a little different.
>
> What I guessed at:
>
> car/driver weight  3885 lb.
> rear gear  4.10:1
> tire diameter 27
> total dur. 300deg.
> lobe separation  108
> 4deg. advanced
> solid lfter
> 3000 rpm stall
>
> this is what it suggested
>
> larger cam
> lower rpm manifold
> carb cfm 936-1205
> header length 32.3"
> 6638 shift point
> 3800 rpm stall
>
> 704 gross hp.
> 521 net hp.
> 11.23 @ 120mph in the 1/4 mile
>
> The version I have doesn't have input for two stage nitrous so I entered
> 150 hp. single stage.
>
> I've found this program to be pretty accurate.
> I got the jm-40 cam in a 425 haven't ran it yet.
> Happy Hot Rodding!!!!!
>
> Daren
>
> O.C.A. ª23571
> daren@qconline.com
I'd go with a Edelbrock 750, since Holleys are known to cause your car
to burn down. and its the biggest one they make.

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:06:34 -0300
Subject: Re: NEED PULLEY

Jim, that was for a friend, I thought he would have contacted you by now. He
should be sending you something thru the postal service. Thanks
Rick

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:09:42 -0300
Subject: Re: What size carbs yall think?

Robert J. Barry wrote:

> Well, you gotta think, if there's a head gasket between the O-ring and the
> block, what's there to receive? I was under the impression that grooves in
> both the head *and* the block were for when the O-ring wire *was* the head
> gasket.

  The wire o-ring is used in the head to force the copper head gasket
into the reciever groove in the block,  thus creating a more positive
seal.. I was saying that a machine shop told me they could forgo the
reciever groove in the block and just install the wire abit deeper into
the head making the wire bit less into the copper head gasket, but still
bite enough to seal the cylender. (the wire is only .005-.010 above the
gasket surface of the head, and the copper gasket is .045..

But anyways... I got the intake.. It looks like a race only unit.. it's
an Offy Turbo Thrust 360 Dual Quad T-ram. If looks=horsepower this is
gonna be a monster.. hehe.. seriously, at least it looks impressive..

Ken

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From: holley.sucks@earth.inwave.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:23:41 -0300
Subject: Everyone read!!

The Holley  is not a good carb.  If the engine backfires once, the power valve
might blow out, and if it backfires twice.....thats gas all over , and an
engine fire occurs. this has happend to my mothers 66 Elcamino, a friends 4x4,
another friends monte burned completly to the ground.  one of my friends had a
brand new 650 H*LLEY on his 72 nova and was in the process of getting a
ticket, after he was done he started his car, and boom.. the enging started on
fire, the cop got his fire extinguisher and saved the car. so I refer to
Holleys as firepower.  so if you have dual quads (2-holleys) you have twice
the firepower as normal.  if you would like to reply, create new mail and use
subject; "Holley firepower"
                                                        thankyou,

Citizen X

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From: holley.sucks@earth.inwave.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:23:53 -0300
Subject: Everyone read!!

The Holley  is not a good carb.  If the engine backfires once, the power valve
might blow out, and if it backfires twice.....thats gas all over , and an
engine fire occurs. this has happend to my mothers 66 Elcamino, a friends 4x4,
another friends monte burned completly to the ground.  one of my friends had a
brand new 650 H*LLEY on his 72 nova and was in the process of getting a
ticket, after he was done he started his car, and boom.. the enging started on
fire, the cop got his fire extinguisher and saved the car. so I refer to
Holleys as firepower.  so if you have dual quads (2-holleys) you have twice
the firepower as normal.  if you would like to reply, create new mail and use
subject; "Holley firepower"
                                                        thankyou,

Citizen X

------------------------------

From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:37:37 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

Tony Waldner wrote:
>
> >I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.
> >I've been told that timing chain problems can trash this motor unless I
> >change it.
>
> First of all you have a 3.8 liter V-6 and ~not~ a 3800.  Believe it or not
> these are two entirely different engines.  The 3800 was a mid '88 year to
> present engine.  The 3800's use a roller chain with a steel gear and a
> counter-rotating balance shaft. They rearely need replacing.

Tony,

Thanks for clearing that up!  I've got an '89 Delta 88 with 181,000 on
it and still going strong.  For a minute there, I thought I was going to
be replacing a timing chain this weekend before the 3800 grenaded on me.

Just joined the list.  Great info so far!

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:38:53 -0300
Subject: Desktop dyno

I've had pretty good luck with it,  used it for selecting cams and intakes.
Tunnel rams and individual runners are not really practical , you can get the
same results with a single plane int. -thats if you are running under 6500rpm.
 I really like the roller setups.  especially with stroker engines like olds
455-400 and the cad 500,  wow a stock rebuilt 500 with pocket ported heads and
a slightly larger cam made over 600 ft lb of torque at 2000rpm,  fully port it
and throw a decent open plenum on there and watch out.

                                Citizen X
                                69 H/O

------------------------------

From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 18:37:36 -0300
Subject: '72 Cutlass Question

I saw a '72 Cutlass Supreme advertised that claims to have T-tops!  I
didn't think they ever made a '72 Cutlass Supreme with T-tops.  Would this
be some aftermarket installation or could they have been dealer or factory
installed?

Please answer soon, since I'm going to be calling the ol' lady soon, and I
want to know the facts in case she tries to lie to me.  Thanks!

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme
blaines@strata3d.com

------------------------------

From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:37:37 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

Tony Waldner wrote:
>
> >I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.
> >I've been told that timing chain problems can trash this motor unless I
> >change it.
>
> First of all you have a 3.8 liter V-6 and ~not~ a 3800.  Believe it or not
> these are two entirely different engines.  The 3800 was a mid '88 year to
> present engine.  The 3800's use a roller chain with a steel gear and a
> counter-rotating balance shaft. They rearely need replacing.

Tony,

Thanks for clearing that up!  I've got an '89 Delta 88 with 181,000 on
it and still going strong.  For a minute there, I thought I was going to
be replacing a timing chain this weekend before the 3800 grenaded on me.

Just joined the list.  Great info so far!

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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From: JMondello@earth.inwave.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:44:33 -0300
Subject: racial slurs

hey man, you guys think I'm loco?
Its all right to call me a sp*c,
cause I am!  Its only a name.
think of it as spic & span.
yo man I'm squeeky clean!
time to get all my friends and
hop in the Olds man,
                       Odios,
                             Joe

------------------------------

From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 17:55:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

- ----------
> From: j kimball <jdkim@lvdi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Is it worth it?
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 10:03 AM
>
> Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
> stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
> specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
> tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
> stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
> never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
> replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?

> Any input is appreciated.
> -Kaye
> jdkim@lvdi.net
>

It depends,Was it insured?If so they will total it and it will get a
salvage
title which will ruin its value.If not it is up to you,if you want an all
original
collectible probably not,but if you just want a nice driver go for it.A 455

would look great in there!
Frank
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

------------------------------

From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:00:31 -0300
Subject: NGK plugs for Olds

Anyone have a recommendation for NGK plugs?  I'm thinking about giving
them a try.  I read somewhere that for Olds's with aftermarket ignition
(I have a Mallory Unilite dist., MSD-6AL box, high volt coil and 8.5mm
wires) that you should run NGK plugs over AC delcos.

Anyone try them?  What part number fits?  Mondello lists NGK's as his
part number NGK R-5670-6 but I don't know if that is NGK's or his
personal number for them.

- -greg

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:03:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Everyone read!!

Just to start a good e-argument, I've had great luck with my Holley for 10
years, no blown power valves despite a few backfires through the years.

This is an acknowledged weakness of the design, but it doesn't scare me
as much as the *two* different times I've had Qjets catch fire. Once
was $1,200 for a real bad wiring job (I was 17 and unschooled in auto
repair). Once I got it out before it went anywhere, but qjets make me
nervous as a result of these experiences.

Great power, crappy mileage, simple design. That's why I like Holley.
cf

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:12:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Everyone read!!

Chris Fair wrote:
>
> Just to start a good e-argument, I've had great luck with my Holley for 10
> years, no blown power valves despite a few backfires through the years.
>
> This is an acknowledged weakness of the design, but it doesn't scare me
> as much as the *two* different times I've had Qjets catch fire. Once
> was $1,200 for a real bad wiring job (I was 17 and unschooled in auto
> repair). Once I got it out before it went anywhere, but qjets make me
> nervous as a result of these experiences.
>
> Great power, crappy mileage, simple design. That's why I like Holley.
> cf
simple design?  ha ha ha , try changing the jets or adjusting it fast.
I can rebuild my entire Edelbrock in 10 min. at a gas station with only
a screw driver. other than that I have had a few fires also with
holleys.
Marty 68 442

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:44:17 -0300
Subject: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

holley.sucks@earth.inwave.com wrote:
>
> The Holley  is not a good carb.  If the engine backfires once, the power
valve might blow out, and if it backfires twice.....thats gas all over , and
an engine fire occurs. > this has happend to my mothers 66 Elcamino, a friends
4x4, another friends monte burned completly to the ground.  one of my friends
had a brand new 650 H*LLEY on his 72 nova and was in the process of getting a
ticket, after he was done he started his car, and boom.. the enging started on
fire, the cop got his fire extinguisher and saved the car. > so I refer to
Holleys as firepower.  so if you have dual quads (2-holleys) you have twice
the firepower as normal.  if you would like to reply, create new mail and use
subject; > "Holley firepower" >
thankyou, >
Citizen X


Uhh, I can't let this one go. I am a Holley fan. The Holley double
pumper is the only carburetor I have ever had that would deliver real
performance. They are infinetly adjustable and you can tune them for
anything, from economy to all out power. No other carburetor I have ever
used (and I have tried Quadrajunks, AFB's, Edelbrocks, etc...) was
capable of delivering enough fuel to get that big ole olds moving
properly. Now to regards to the post above:

1) Yes, Holley's have power valves that will blow out if your engine
pops, but by now I think we all should know that there is $10 fix for
that problem, which is a checkball that prevents the vacuum from flowing
that direction when the engine pops. The kit is available almost
anywhere.

2) If your engine is popping with a Holley on it, then apparently you
have absolutely no idea how to tune one properly, if you took the time
to learn what you were doing, you would not have to worry about engine
fires. I have run a Holley on everything I have ever owned and NEVER
have had problems with backfires or engine fires.

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:38:50 -0300
Subject: Kidnapped daughter returned raped and beaten, but alive (was: Is it
worth it?)

New subject heading for post.  Seems appropriate.

At 11:03 AM 5/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
>stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
>specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
>tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
>stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
>never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
>replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
>Any input is appreciated.

Oh man, that hurts!  Of all the replies, I think Tom Lentz's seems to fit
my thought the best.  In my eyes, it's ~definately~ worth rebuilding.
These cars are gold to me, and no one could take ~that~ away.  If it looked
like a squished can, I'd probably still try to save it.  I've done tons
more with much less, so it's definately possible.  Lots of time, work, and
money though.  Definately make the insurance company give big bucks for it,
if you can.  I agree with Tom.  It'll never be the "cherry" it once was, so
make it ~really~ mean.  Like Christine, only a bit more polite;)  Fix it
with a vengeance.  Give it a 455, for sure.  Go for it!!!  I can't believe
the body wasn't stripped, too.  Lucky there.

It's a lot of work, though.  Maybe more than you want to take on.  How far
are you from Sidney MT?  (hint hint???) Just kidding.  If you were fairly
close, and not wanting the heartache, I'd give ya cash for the leftovers in
a heartbeat and build it up.  It sounds like a very feasible project (as
far as projects go) but the heartache will always be there.  I say "Go For It"



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:57:19 -0300
Subject: ADMIN: re. racial slurs

Before anyone gets bent too out of shape on this post and starts a
potential insult-a-thon, be advised that the poster has been removed from
the Olds list. The person in question previously received notice not to use
offensive language in list postings. After this message he has been tossed.

I think I will also institute a new policy of reserving the right to
remove anyone who posts using a false email address. I have enough
problems with the real ones... so consider it in force.

Thanks.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:57:41 -0300
Subject: Re: racial slurs

At 05:44 PM 5/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>hey man, you guys think I'm loco?
>Its all right to call me a sp*c,
>cause I am!  Its only a name.
>think of it as spic & span.
>yo man I'm squeeky clean!
>time to get all my friends and
>hop in the Olds man,
>                       Odios,
>                             Joe


Wow!  Is this from the ~real~ Joe M???  I've kept my mouth (fingers???)
shut through most of these posts, cuz I've never had any dealings with
either supplier in question.  In my book, they're both miles above the
rest, because the ~are~ offering Olds HiPerf stuff.  How many companiew can
~actually~ make that claim???  Right then.  I've heard mixed comments about
Joe.  Good stuff, but cocky, being the most common.  My biggest concern is
that his products are better than his poetry ;)  He's earned the name and
reputation of being good, so I guess that has to say something.  As for
who's better?  Who cares.  There's only two to choose from, right?  That's
twice as many as there used to be.  Competition forces improvements, so
hopefully many good things will come from this.  Who knows.



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:03:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Radio Speaker Info

At 09:07 AM 5/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>OL>An interesting tidbit for sure. Now, does anyone know of any late GMs
>OL>that use 4x10s? Since it seems they still use 10 ohm speakers I should be
>OL>able to find one of those too for a front replacement.
>
>OL>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canad
>
>I think '88-up GM full size trucks w/ext. cabs use 4x10s in the
>c-pillars.

4X6's, as I recall.  The ~pre~-88's used 4X10's behind the seat in the
lower cab walls, for those actually that well equipped.



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:02:20 -0300
Subject: Hot Rod Super Nationals - schedule of events

Canfield Fairgrounds, Canfield, OH

Friday, 5/30

8 am - 6 pmRegistration
9 am - 6 pmShow-n-shine balloting
9 am - 7 pmShow open to public
9 am - 7 pmPerformance marketplace open
10 am - 5 pmOverkill Monster Truck Rides
1:30 pmGame:  The Wrapper [children's game]
2 pmGame:  Sparkplug Change
3 pmDriving Game:  Bullseye
3:30 pmGame:  Frisbee Toss
4 pmDriving Game:  Spear A Spud

Saturday, 5/31

8 am - 2 pmRegistration
9 am - 6 pmShow-n-shine balloting
9 am - 7 pmShow open to the public
9 am - 7 pmPerformance marketplace open
10 am - 4 pmPro vehicle judging
10 am - 6 pmOverkill Monster Truck Rides
11 amShow-n-shine seminar
noonGame:  Tug-o-war
12:30 pmGame:  Fan Belt toss [children]
1 pmSign up deadline for Miss Hot Rod Super Nationals Contest
1:30 pmGame:  Volleyball
3 pmGame:  Push rod drop
4 pmPro street cruise
4:30 pmGame:  Push rod drop
5 pmBurnout contest

Sunday, 6/1

9 am - 5 pmGates open to public
1998 show registration open
Performance marketplace open
10 am - 4 pmOverkill Monster Truck Rides
11 amParticipant suggestion session
11:30 amGame:  The absorber great American wipe-off
noonGame:  Frisbee Toss [children]
12:30 pmGame:  Volleyball
1:30 pmBurnout contest
2 pmGame:  Water balloon toss [children]
2:30 pmGame:  Tug-o-war
3 pmMiss Hot Rod Contest
4:15Awards ceremony

Admission is $10 at the gate for adults [$8 in advance
at Big A autoparts [fka Worldwide]  Children $5 and $7

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From: shoover@flash.net
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:05:22 -0300
Subject: Holleys really suck

Anyone with a holley is definately stupid
 for keeping that thing on there!
I know absolutely nothing about cars
 and I don't care what you guys think.
so I'll keep driving my olds and when it breaks
I'll throw it away and by a datson!

------------------------------

From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:16:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Holleys really suck

shoover@flash.net wrote:
>
> Anyone with a holley is definately stupid
>  for keeping that thing on there!
> I know absolutely nothing about cars
>  and I don't care what you guys think.
> so I'll keep driving my olds and when it breaks
> I'll throw it away and by a datson!

Thank you for that. NOW DON'T USE MY EMAIL ADDRESS AGAIN!

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:09:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Everyone read!!

holley.sucks@earth.inwave.com wrote:
>
> The Holley  is not a good carb.  If the engine backfires once, the power
valve might blow out, and if it backfires twice.....thats gas all over , and
an engine fire occurs. > this has happend to my mothers 66 Elcamino, a friends
4x4, another friends monte burned completly to the ground.  one of my friends
had a brand new 650 H*LLEY on his 72 nova and was in the process of getting a
ticket, after he was done he started his car, and boom.. the enging started on
fire, the cop got his fire extinguisher and saved the car. > so I refer to
Holleys as firepower.  so if you have dual quads (2-holleys) you have twice
the firepower as normal.  if you would like to reply, create new mail and use
subject; > "Holley firepower" >
thankyou, >
Citizen X


  Thats why you use Rochester! :)

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

------------------------------

From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:17:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Holleys really suck

shoover@flash.net wrote:
>
> Anyone with a holley is definately stupid
>  for keeping that thing on there!
> I know absolutely nothing about cars
>  and I don't care what you guys think.
> so I'll keep driving my olds and when it breaks
> I'll throw it away and by a datson!


And learn how to spell, its DATSUN

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:19:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Super Nationals - schedule of events

At 08:02 PM 5/29/97 -0300, Linda Zuccaro wrote:
>
>Canfield Fairgrounds, Canfield, OH

>
>Admission is $10 at the gate for adults [$8 in advance
>at Big A autoparts [fka Worldwide]  Children $5 and $7
>
>

I was going to enter the 80 442 in this until I seen that it cost $60 to
enter your car, and on top of that it is going to rain Friday and Saturday.
I will be there on Sunday for the events, but minus the car.   I am also
going to the big Randolph swap meet here in Ohio this weekend. Anyone else
going?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.html

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:19:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Holleys really suck

shoover@flash.net wrote:
>
> Anyone with a holley is definately stupid
>  for keeping that thing on there!
> I know absolutely nothing about cars
>  and I don't care what you guys think.
> so I'll keep driving my olds and when it breaks
> I'll throw it away and by a datson!


  That was cold!! :(
  Why would anyone throw away a uniquely state of the art Olsmobile?
 At least give it to me when it brakes!! da*tson why would you wanna do
that!!!? My .o2.

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

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From: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:31:06 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile confusion

I'm selling all my cars and buying fords!
this Oldsmobile stuff is pretty hard to comprehend
Oldsmobiles are slow anyway.
And I've got some bad news, this list will become
a ford list.  So we can talk about them Olds killing
5 liters.  cars that real men drive. so I'm very sory.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:25:01 -0300
Subject: 68 442 hood

Can anyone tell me where I can find a good hood for my friend 68 442?
He'd like a fiberglass one but we can't find glass 442 hoods, just
regular cutlass s hoods.
Thankyou
Marty
68 442

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From: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:36:53 -0300
Subject: ** parts for sale**

I just got a 65 mustang incase you people want to get
a hold of some real power.  I'm selling it for $4000. firm
I'm also scrapping all my olds parts, so if you want any
speak now!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 19:37:04 -0300
Subject: ** parts for sale**

I just got a 65 mustang incase you people want to get
a hold of some real power.  I'm selling it for $4000. firm
I'm also scrapping all my olds parts, so if you want any
speak now!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:31:12 -0300
Subject: none

Anyone coming on the chat room tonight at 9:30eastern  8:30 central
6:30 pacific? :)

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:33:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

[SNIP]

>
>Uhh, I can't let this one go. I am a Holley fan. The Holley double
>pumper is the only carburetor I have ever had that would deliver real
>performance. They are infinetly adjustable and you can tune them for
>anything, from economy to all out power. No other carburetor I have ever
>used (and I have tried Quadrajunks, AFB's, Edelbrocks, etc...) was
>capable of delivering enough fuel to get that big ole olds moving
>properly. Now to regards to the post above:
>


[SNIP]

Please give MORE details... I have my eye on an Edelbrock for my 425 cu.in.
in a '65 98. It was my limited impression that the Edelbrock was very
"tuneable". Or do you mean that it has alot of adjustments, but you can
never "zero" in on the right combo...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:35:25 -0300
Subject: where is everyone?

i havn't got any email for almost an hour now?
anyone know why?

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:44:46 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs

>Before anyone gets bent too out of shape on this post and starts a
>potential insult-a-thon, be advised that the poster has been removed from
>the Olds list. The person in question previously received notice not to use
>offensive language in list postings. After this message he has been tossed.
>
>I think I will also institute a new policy of reserving the right to
>remove anyone who posts using a false email address. I have enough
>problems with the real ones... so consider it in force.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

As far as I'm concerned, you have no rights on an Email list. It is a free
service provided by someone(s).

The whole idea of what is appropriate on an Email list should be left up to
the majority of those on the list, but the person(s) or organization(s)
providing the list can do what ever they want, including over riding the
majority concensus.

As for the racial slur... I pretty much ignored it. This is not something
that I find on this list. I personally felt that ignoring it might have
been the best action (maybe the child would just go away...). Obviously
this did not work. I'm glad you bounced him BTW.

Just my $0.01 ...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:46:28 -0300
Subject: Ok, you guys know whats going in on here.

Obviously we have picked up a trouble maker on this list. We all knew it
had to happen one day. Ya'll don't freak out of these F'd up posts. You
know this stuff is not true. Lets talk about it tonight, you know where.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:46:36 -0300
Subject: Regarding the Note to myself (425 bumpstick)

My(our) apologies to Greg and all for wasting bandwidth earlier, when I (we)
should have sent Email to my (our) address only.

However, there are mitigating circumstances. My (our) FAQ bookmark was for
the WWW.cybercity  address, which does NOT have the complete FAQ. (At least
that is the case when I (we) accessed it)

Moral; Be careful which FAQ you read, youcould end up irritating other
Oldsmobilers!

Again, our apologies.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago IL

Apparently lollygagging at wok can seriously affect the mind.

{I did something stupid which irked me and now my brain hemispheres will not
talk to each other!}

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:45:23 -0300
Subject: '72 w/T-Tops -- NOT!  It's a '77

OK, I finally got ahold of the owner and found out that it was a typo.
It's actually a '77 Cutlass Supreme.  Seein's it's a '77, I'm not
interested (because I need to finish my '72 first).  But if anyone needs
some body parts, this is the deal of the century, if indeed it's as the
owner says.  Listen to this:

Positives:
- - Car has straight body, no large dents, nor even any small ones that she
could think of
- - no rust
- - bucket/console interior
- - Price:  ONLY $60.00!!!  Yes, that's right, Sixty smackers.

Negatives:
- - missing T-Tops
- - Interior weathered (thanks to missing T-tops)
- - no title
- - bad rings in engine, burns a lot of oil.

So if someone needs some good, straight sheetmetal for a '77 Cutlass/442,
here's your car.  It's located in Pheonix, AZ.  Her phone number is
602-257-9694

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:44:17 -0300
Subject: mondello's degree of vacuum

Doc,
        What about the prescribed rod mod I questioned in my
post,Rods,Rings,and Other Things? I really need advice on this. I've cut one
rod down and am on hold. Did you find a kit? I'm still searching for a local
vendor here in 'bama.

        I'm not going to bash Ole Joe. He is curt on the phone. Maybe---
He's lost that loooving feeling.

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From: "mcfrlan@bconnex.net" <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 20:53:00 -0300
Subject: Chat room!

I'll try to be on the chat around 8:30 - 9:00pm eastern time, hope to
see you all there!

Cliff McFarlane
1962 Odsmobile Starfire Conv.
1963 Oldsmbile Starfire Coupe.

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:00:32 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile confusion

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From:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca [SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca]
Sent:Thursday, May 29, 1997 3:31 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Oldsmobile confusion

I'm selling all my cars and buying fords!
this Oldsmobile stuff is pretty hard to comprehend
Oldsmobiles are slow anyway.
And I've got some bad news, this list will become
a ford list.  So we can talk about them Olds killing
5 liters.  cars that real men drive. so I'm very sory.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:05:28 -0300
Subject: Re: ** parts for sale**

Peg,

You're right, they are not from me... nor were the ones from Stephen
Hoover or Joe Mondello. The perpetrator is hanthorn@inwave.com... and he
will soon be without an ISP account.

Thanks for caring... :)

Greg

On Thu, 29 May 1997, Peg O'Connor wrote:

> > I just got a 65 mustang incase you people want to get
> > a hold of some real power.  I'm selling it for $4000. firm
> > I'm also scrapping all my olds parts, so if you want any
> > speak now!
>
> Greg?  This is starting to worry me a bit; we've received three or four
> weird messages like this, ostensibly from you.  Has someone hacked your
> account?  This doesn't sound like you, even in a joking manner.  Will you
> please let me know if this message makes it to you??
>
> peg
> peg@grove.ufl.edu
>
>

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:13:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

Dan Lacey wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
> >
> >Uhh, I can't let this one go. I am a Holley fan. The Holley double
> >pumper is the only carburetor I have ever had that would deliver real
> >performance. They are infinetly adjustable and you can tune them for
> >anything, from economy to all out power. No other carburetor I have ever
> >used (and I have tried Quadrajunks, AFB's, Edelbrocks, etc...) was
> >capable of delivering enough fuel to get that big ole olds moving
> >properly. Now to regards to the post above:
> >
>
> [SNIP]
>
> Please give MORE details... I have my eye on an Edelbrock for my 425 cu.in.
> in a '65 98. It was my limited impression that the Edelbrock was very
> "tuneable". Or do you mean that it has alot of adjustments, but you can
> never "zero" in on the right combo...
>
> *************************************************************************
> * THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
> *                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
> * LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
> *                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
> *************************************************************************


Well let me change my posture a bit, I was a little frustrated when I
made that post. Edelbrocks are extremely adjustable and Edelbrock
furnishes all the parts you need to adjust it. I personally do not know
how to tune one real well (so learning what to do applies to me too
:))and I do a Holley. For me, I could never get the Edelbrock to perform
like my Holley. the Edelbrock just never seem to provide enough gas.
>From what I did see on tuning the Edelbrock, it looked like it would
take a lot of BS to get it whipped into shape, when I have almost
everything I need to tune my Holley up in a Trick Kit and can have it
done in 15 minutes. I also know how to make a Quadrajet run real well
also, but compared to Holley, it takes ALOT of work. I think the point I
was trying to make was that the guy was bashing Holley's out of
ignorance. Then again, carb selection is a lot like cam selection,
everyone's got their favorite and they will force it down your throat
till the second coming.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:11:25 -0300
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Question

In a message dated 97-05-29 20:01:14 EDT, you write:

<<  saw a '72 Cutlass Supreme advertised that claims to have T-tops!  I
 didn't think they ever made a '72 Cutlass Supreme with T-tops.  Would this
 be some aftermarket installation or could they have been dealer or factory
 installed?

 Please answer soon, since I'm going to be calling the ol' lady soon, and I
 want to know the facts in case she tries to lie to me.  Thanks!

 -Blaine
 '72 Cutlass Supreme
 blaines@strata3d.com
  >>
no T-tops are not availible, only the sun roof was for 72.  If it does have
t-tops, somebody else installed them.  not factory or dealer mind you but
aftermarket company

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:17:42 -0300
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

- ----------
> From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
> To: Oldsmobile list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: where is everyone?
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 5:35 PM
>
> i havn't got any email for almost an hour now?
> anyone know why?

I wonder...

GRRR!!!

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:14:07 -0300
Subject: racial slurs & ***parts for sale***

> As for the racial slur... I pretty much ignored it. This is not something
> that I find on this list. I personally felt that ignoring it might have
> been the best action (maybe the child would just go away...). Obviously
> this did not work. I'm glad you bounced him BTW.
>
> Just my $0.01 ...

Well, it looks like we're all going to be talking about Fords now?  NOT!!!
I'm guessing our little pest with his fake email adresses has taken to
impersonating our illustrious leader.  Greg, you'd never turn on us, would
you? ;)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:01:13 -0300
Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd)

Check this out... hopefully this will end it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:35:11 -0300
From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
To: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: where is everyone?

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 1997, Hanthorn wrote:
> > i havn't got any email for almost an hour now?
> > anyone know why?
>
> There is a very simple reason: I have removed you from the list. I
> cautioned you about racial slurs earlier this week. You did not give the
> courtesy of a reply until you repeated the offense tonight.
>
> Now you have been hacking other peoples mailing addresses, including mine.
> That is way over the line, my friend. You will issue an apology by 10:00PM
> Central tonight or inwave.com will be informed and I can pretty much
> assure you your account will be toast. Keep in mind that there are about
> 400 people here who are pretty upset with you right now.
>
> Let's not have to go to extremes. But it's your choice.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada Due to the fact that this computer is accesed by only a handfull of
people, All persons involving this matter have been notified and informed.
Realizing the posts have been offensive, > That is way over the line, my
friend. You will issue an apology by 10:00PM

I have realized this is well over the line, and am taking it upon myself
to apologize for mine and my fellow co-workers actions. We will have no
further contact as of this point.  We were unaware that people would
take such offense, and was to be parody.  Have anyone who took this
matter serious contact me personaly, and this matter will be resolved at
once.

Marty

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:20:32 -0300
Subject: Re: where is everyone? (fwd)

At 09:01 PM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Check this out... hopefully this will end it.

Greg,

I was wondering just when the next one of these guys was going to come
along. When I saw this guy's first post, I said "Yup, he'll get himself
bounced within a week...". He sent me a couple of personally insulting
e-mails, to which I cordially responded in a civilized manner. That
offensive post about Mondello was over the line, though.

Ah, well, hopefully there will be peace and quiet for another 8 months (that
seems to be how frequently an obnoxious idiot will join the list and stick
around to cause trouble. Perhaps you should just bounce them when they first
post something that shows you that they're going to be "one of those kind of
guys"... the Wiz was the only one who started out like that, but reformed
his ways (and seemingly has dropped from sight; oh, well...).

Oh, and just so you know this is not a hacked address, are you still
thinking about the SX? Or are you hankering for a convertible?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 21:28:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile confusion

- ----------
> From: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmobile confusion
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 6:31 PM
>
> I'm selling all my cars and buying fords!
> this Oldsmobile stuff is pretty hard to comprehend
> Oldsmobiles are slow anyway.
> And I've got some bad news, this list will become
> a ford list.  So we can talk about them Olds killing
> 5 liters.  cars that real men drive. so I'm very sory.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>

Click,click,click,click.(Sound of guns being cocked by Olds owners)
Frank
70 442
71 442W30 convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:38:14 -0300
Subject: Ooops, apologies (was Re: where is everyone? (fwd)

At 09:20 PM 5/29/97 -0400, I wrote:
>Greg,
>
>I was wondering just when the next one of these guys was going to come

Sorry about that; meant that one to go directly to Greg...

Really, Wiz, you're alright by me! (where are you, anyway?)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:48:13 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

- ----------
> From: Jeff & Patti Kobinsky <jkpkobin@discover-net.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: timing chain - 3800
> Date: Thursday, May 29, 1997 12:44 PM
>
> I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.
>
> I've been told that timing chain problems can trash this motor unless I
> change it.
>
> Motor has never been apart - do I need to do anything to this?
A jumped timeing chain on the 3800 nearly always bends some valves. While
this isnt terminal it is a lot more expensive to fix than just replacing
the chain. It usually decides to jump when you are miles from home or in
the " bad" part of town. Just the peace of mind is nearly worth it. Oh and
replace the whole timeing set (cam & crank gears and chain) new chains dont
like old gears. With 137,000 you are past due on the 3800.
Walter

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From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 22:55:27 -0300
Subject: Address for chat room needed

Hi all,

Could someone give me the URL for the chat room??

John Oder
70 Cutlass SX W-32

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From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 23:03:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 425 bump-stick

At 10:40 PM 5/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-05-27 20:45:40 EDT, you write:
>
>>
>>  Great, Im gonna go to the Edelbrock site right now and ask.  As for
>>  the part number it is a ª2152 cam, performer-plus cam.
>>
>>
>OK, I checked the site out the other day. This is the camshaft/lifters/lube
>package of the Edelbrock Performer Pro camshaft package. It is recommended
>for Oldsmobiles of 1967 and later (no doubt to account for valvetrain angles
>of earlier cars). The reason this works relatively well in the 45 degree
>blocks is that the firing order is correct and that at the critical moments (
>e.g. TDC ) the overlap (39 degree cam in a 45 degree block) is a miniscule 3
>degrees early/late which should not cause serious conflicts. I suspect that
>if this was a more radical cam, instead of slightly improved over stock, that
>using the 39 degree cam could cause backfire through the carburetor due to
>the intake valve still being open at ignition. In your particular setup, I
>would not worry about it. Mind you, this is really just my opinion, my own
>personal knowledge on cams is wanting.
>
>BTW someone please reprimand me if I am wrong.
>
>Karl Aune
>1965 Dynamic 88
>Chicago, IL
>
>(e.g. Reincarnation) Is it too late for me to come back as a 1966 W-30 442?
>
>
>testing

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