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oldsmobile-digest           Sunday, 11 May 1997        Volume 01 : Number 669

Re: insurance
Re: Calling out for 50's owners
Re: Saved From Demolition Derby
Re: Quadrajet rebuild, should I try myself?
Re: Olds sighting(s)
Is it the Same??
Re: Saved From Demolition Derby
Re: '71W30 trunklid stripes?
Re: Olds sighting(s)
W33 455
An Olds that was not saved.
Purchasing unwanted cars (Non Olds), was; Abandoned Tows and Rockit ran again
75 H/O T-top
Car Craft Readers letters
Re: "73 442
Re: 75 H/O T-top
SUSPENSION 73 Delta 88
Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set
Re: Purchasing unwanted cars (Non Olds), was; Abandoned Tows and Rockit ran
again Re: 64-65 Cutlass Re: W33 455 Re: Is it the Same?? Re: How to go
about purchasing another 442 Head Gaskets Head Gaskets Re: How to go about
purchasing another 442 Re: Car Craft Readers letters Under Dash Wiring . Re:
Head Gaskets Re: Car Craft Readers letters Re: . Re: W33 455 polish and wax
Re: Head Gaskets Re: Under Dash Wiring Re: polish and wax Original 72
Cutlass wheels

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 17:43:34 -0300
Subject: Re: insurance

At 01:16 AM 5/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 08:58 PM 5/9/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>In about 3 weeks(should my body shop co-operate) I should have mama's 72
>>convertible on the road. State Farm quoted me $600 a year on the other
>>guy only, none on the cutlass. Does anyone know if collector car
>>insurance is cheaper and who would be the best to deal with?
>>
>>Jim Helle
>>
>>
>
>  Jim,
>
>    We don't know what the "other guy" is.  Please explain.  But on the '72
>you can get classic full coverage without a deductble with
>limitations.....not a run-around-town primary transportation type grocery
>getter.  Year around full coverage (appraised value) is usually under $100 .
>Haggerty or J.C.Taylor come to mind.  Do a search on the internet for
>'Classic Automobile Insurance' or Classic Car Insurance' and I'm sure you'll
>come up with what you need.
>
>  Glenn
>  '69 4-4-2
>
>
>
The 'other guy' insurance is where you insure any damage you do to the
'other guy,' but you do not insure against damage to your vehicle.  This is
known as 'liability only' insurance.  And with older cars of little real
value, quite common.

I have regular insurance on my Roadmaster, liability only on my '84 Delta,
and Antique Insurance on my '68 Dodge.  If the Roadmaster is damaged,
regardless of how, I get paid.  If the Delta is damaged, and it is my fault,
I'm out, but the 'other guy' is covered.  The Dodge has liability, and I buy
'value' insurance at a set rate, less than $1. per $100. value, and has a
restricted amount of annual usage, I think 2,500 miles.  It can be driven
other than to antique car events, service etc, but not on an everday basis.
I set the value on MY Dodge, by how much value I'm willing to pay for.  I
don't go to school or work on an everyday basis, so I suppose I'm covered no
matter what I do as along as I stay within the total milage limit.

The Wiz

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 18:01:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Calling out for 50's owners

>I was just showing a friend my 50 88 when I discoverd an exhaust leak at the
>header pipes.  Because the exhaust is new from the muffler back, I'd love to
>find just the header pipes.  Fusick, and the other suppliers I've done
>business with in the past list whole sysems, but not the seperate pipes.
>
>Do any of you know of a source for these pipes?  The car has single
>exhaust,but the header pipe is two seperate pipes.
>
>Sure would appreciate any help!  Thanks
>
>Elephant Engine Ernie
>
>BigEJ@aol.com
>
>
>Don't have an answer to your question, but I am curious about your '50.
What model is it?  Stock or modified?  I have a '49 Club Coupe.

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 19:16:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Saved From Demolition Derby

In a message dated 97-05-09 12:00:36 EDT, you wrote:

> Anyway...back on the subjeect....The guy refused my offer because his son
>  wanted to use the car in a local demo derby at the end of the month.  This
>  got me right where it hurts.  I just couldn't stand to see that car
smashed
>  in a derby!
>

Hear, hear! Support? I shall give you support you in spades! Or pickaxes if
you prefer. Good on you for saving a vintage Oldsmobile from the demo derbys!
At the very least you can sell it to someone who will treat it properly! Or
better yet- if I am not mistaken there are some resto parts companies who
will buy old car parts ( I think Olds USA parts supply is one
[www.usapartssupply.com]) in order to obtain a pattern for future resto
parts. Would not the future availability of new restoration parts offset any
loss you might take on the car? And not least, if you do resell it to please
the significant other, do not forget to post it to the list!

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:57:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Quadrajet rebuild, should I try myself?

At 11:12 AM 5/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I bought a kit for $7.99 at the local parts house. Before I tear into the
carb, I thought I would seek out the advice of my fellow Oldsmobilers.
>
>Brendan P. Foley
>71 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
Brendan

        It takes about an hour and a half to properly rebuild one. Take your
time read the instructions and just make sure everything stays clean. If you
want more back up there are good books to help you.

Jim Chermack

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 20:58:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds sighting(s)

Best reason for a car cover?  In my  single days, my car was so
identifiable (i.e. everyone knew it - personalized plates aren't always
such a great idea) that I'd cover it and park it in dark corners of parking
lots when I was....uh....where I wasn't supposed to be.  And people would
still say to my boyfriend "Did I see Lisa's car over at....."

Oh well

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 21:51:49 -0300
Subject: Is it the Same??

     Anyone out there have access to a Hollander's Manual?  I need to know
     if the bumpers from a Delta 88 Royale Brougham will fit on my '82 Olds
     98 Regency.  Thanks in advance!


     - Pete
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera

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From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Date: Sat, 10 May 1997 23:17:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Saved From Demolition Derby

> In a message dated 97-05-09 12:00:36 EDT, you wrote:
>
> > Anyway...back on the subjeect....The guy refused my offer because his son
> >  wanted to use the car in a local demo derby at the end of the month.
This > >  got me right where it hurts.  I just couldn't stand to see that car >
smashed > >  in a derby! > > > > Hear, hear! Support? I shall give you
support you in spades! Or pickaxes if > you prefer. Good on you for saving a
vintage Oldsmobile from the demo derbys! > At the very least you can sell it
to someone who will treat it properly! Or > I have a simular Olds story. May
1st I was in my local Junk yard scrounging (sp) for good stuff when I spotted
,parked right in the crushing arena (the spot where the yard strips and then
stuffs the cars for the crusher pile) a 1985 Olds Cutlass Supreme. Was
extremely clean and rust free. For NH this was a very rare car. It had
aparently came from a dealer who wholesaled it to the yard. It even had those
white GM paper floor mats dealers place in used cars for resale. It was a v6,
4door, automatic. Had rally guages and cruse but no power windows. I asked the
owner what was up with it and he told me it was supposed to run good but they
couldn't start it. I asked him what he wanted for it and he said for me he
would need 200 dollars. I had he fork it out to an area where I could look it
over and found the batt very low, would lould light the dash lights when I
turned on the key but wouldn't turn the engine over. I swapped out a batt and
tried. Engine fired but wouldn't catch. One of the employees mentioned that it
hasn't run since a former employee pumped it excessivly trying to start it
back in Dec. Using that as a clue I found another engine on the ground and
swapped the plugs. Varoom, off ti went. The vacuum pulloff for the auto choke
wasn't working so playing with the choke for a minute while the car warmed up
kept it running. Off down the road I went for a test drivw and I knew I
couldn't leave it there. I drove it home.... Something you can get away with
where I live in NH. I now have 20 day plates on it and have rte sold it to a
friend at work for 500. I need to put break shoes on the rear for him and I
also changed the choke pull off but I also saved a Olds from death

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:19:08 -0300
Subject: Re: '71W30 trunklid stripes?

MROTHE wrote:
>
> BruceD2e wrote:
> >
> > I'm about to re-paint as the last step in restoring a 71 W30 convertible

^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
>
> The answer is......depends.  If it is with the rear wing (W-35) on the
> trunk, then NO, there was a stripe delete with the wing.   If it did not
> have the wing, then YES, it was included standard with the 442.

The convertible would negate the rear wing as an option from the
factory.  Therefore, if you want to do it ~correctly~ it should have the
stripes.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:48:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds sighting(s)

At 08:58 PM 5/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Best reason for a car cover?  In my  single days, my car was so
>identifiable (i.e. everyone knew it - personalized plates aren't always
>such a great idea) that I'd cover it and park it in dark corners of parking
>lots when I was....uh....where I wasn't supposed to be.  And people would
>still say to my boyfriend "Did I see Lisa's car over at....."


Hmm, ya sure they weren't saying "...car ~cover~ at....?"  :)

Just kidding....




             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: carolfi <carolfi@wctc.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:16:15 -0300
Subject: W33 455

I have a "70" W33 455 Highway Patrol engine in my "70" 442 convertible
with a Hurst Dual-gate and a 390 posi,she goes pretty good. I have found
very little info on the W33 engine except it's 390 hp. So any would be
appreciated.
                                   Thanks Dave Carolfi
carolfi@wctc.net
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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:21:10 -0300
Subject: An Olds that was not saved.

All this recent talk of cars saved from derbys and crushers reminds me of a
car my buddy owned when I was a college sophomore. He had a Delta 88
(1974-5?). It was a monster and ran well.

Incidental anecdote; his (at that time) workplace was located on a street
which would be wide enough for tight two lane,two way traffic if nobody
parked at the curbs. However, as there were always cars parked on both curbs,
there was typically less than adequate clearance for two way traffic. People
who parked on the street realized this and tended to park with one wheel up
over the curb. On this day his Delta was parked this way, in fact it was the
first car parked on the block if approached from this certain direction.
Anyway... one day I was passing my lunch break by visiting him when we heard
a crash and saw people running in a specific direction through the fromt bay
window. As he was working, my buddy did not scramble to the scene until he
found out that his car was involved.
     What happened; a black woman driving a new Olds 98 (1989 or 90 i think)
slammed her car into his left rear corner...and totaled her car (hood driven
into the windshield et al). My buddy's car....hmm. (Where did she hit you ?)
Oh, yeah, look...the tail light is broken. Add to that a 1/2" tear in the
metal at the exact spot of impact. That was all. The corner around it may
have been bent, but not noticeably. I thought it was terribly funny at the
time.

   So anyway, here's why I was reminded of that; after he had it for a while,
the transmission just died. No forward, and only a very weak facsimilie of
reverse. He sold it for scrap. (pause while you guys gather yourselves) I did
at that time try to persuade him to get an estimate for tranny repair, but to
no avail. He has at this time gone through some 12-16 cars, and firmly
believes that you drive it until it drops, then get a new (used) one. This
has been a point of contention between us for the past year. He cannot
understand why I would put so much energy into a single car. And to answer
the yet unasked question, yes I wasnted to buy it from him, but did not have
the green at that time. Too bad, there was nothing wrong with the car besides
the trans. Such a shame......


Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago IL

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:36:54 -0300
Subject: Purchasing unwanted cars (Non Olds), was; Abandoned Tows and Rockit
ran again

In Chicago, one must contact the police department,the dept of streets and
sanitation, .........

What happens is cars can be towed for a variety of reasons in the larger
cities. The police may confiscate the cars of criminals, the dept of streets
and sanitation may tow a car that has been left abandoned (or in the same
spot for a long time esp. when reported by a citizen), and so on. Now, I do
not know if Chicago has separate auctions for each department, or what, as my
interest has never been that substantial. Essentially, the first thing to do
is contact the local constabulary and inquire as to what becomes of derelict
vehicles and while they are on the line ask if any other branches of the
local government can tow vehicles, and what becomes of them... ... ...

Hope that this helps.

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From: Keith455@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:41:57 -0300
Subject: 75 H/O T-top

I just bought a pass. side T-Top from a 77 cutlass. Does anyone know if I can
make this top work, the clips do not line up. Should I return it, or make it
work? I paid $40 for it. I don't know how hard it is to find a T-top for
these cars.
  Thanks for any advice you guys can give me.

Keith

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 00:53:16 -0300
Subject: Car Craft Readers letters

I was reading readers letters section in my new Car Craft last night  at
work. Thinking I should write a letter complaining of a lack of Olds
content in Car Craft. When I start reading a letter asking for diversity
in their articles. Then I read that this person is on the Olds mailing
list. So I skip to the bottom and see Tom Lentz's name. Cool somebody
beat me to it! It got me thinking if we and any other Olds fans we know
start writing these types of mags demanding more Olds maybe they will
start printing more Olds articles. Why stop there we could also contact
after market manufactures. I wouldn't mind having a set of Edelbrock
aluminum heads on my 425.


Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

P.S. The new Popular Hot Rodding has a '67? Cutlass body on the cover!
Very nice looking, well at least what's there.Hav'ta send them a letter
asking when there'll be an article about the car.

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From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 01:59:15 -0300
Subject: Re: "73 442

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
> In trying to get together a group of cars for our Olds dealer's
> celebration of that special 100th Anniversary, I contacted a fellow who
> has a lovely '73 442.  It seems that he will not only display it, but he
> wants to sell it.  I'd be interested in knowing a little about these
> cars as he wants $2200 for it.
>
> The car has been repainted a dark metallic brown w/correct white
> stripes, beige vinyl top, & beige interior.  The top is a couple of
> years old, but the vinyl "chrome" is missing around the quarter
> windows.  There is some rust bubbling through at the base of the quarter
> windows just below the vinyl top - nothing really serious, but some.
> The interior has had the seat recovered in a 2-tone vinyl, but the rest
> is very nice & original.  The car has 75,000 mi on it.  There was no key
> left at the house, & so I couldn't look at the engine, hear it run, or
> drive it.
>
> I'm supposing a 350 4-barrel is under the hood.  It is equipped w/AM/FM
> stereo, rear speakers, PS, PDB, AT on console, Rally II wheels, AC, &
> little else.  There are no rally gauges, tilt wheel, electric windows,
> or seat.
>
> Would accessories be difficult to find?  It supposedly runs nicely & I
> have seen it driven around some.  Would $2200 seem ok in light of the
> recovered seats, some rust at the edge of the quarter windows/vinyl
> roof, & only mildly accessorized?
>
> I know where a '73 H/O is resting in a salvage yard w/all the pieces to
> make it a H/O.  Is this feasable?  Would I just be ruining a nice 442?
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Bill
On your comment on the H/O. Remeber if it is a H/O it is a great find
but if it really isnt it will just be another "pretender to the crown".
I know all the 442 guys will probably kill me know but a Hurst of any
year is something special and should be be put in the highest of
regaurds. A Hurst is basically the final evolution of the 442. There are
many exceptional 442's  so if you are going to restore/spend alot of
money on a 442 make it what its supposed to be and not a copy of a
Hurst. Many people may beleive it to be a Hurst if you make it look like
one but the VIN's dont lie
Nick
83 Hurts Olds

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:38:55 -0300
Subject: Re: 75 H/O T-top

At 01:41 AM 5/11/97 -0300, Keith455@aol.com wrote:
>I just bought a pass. side T-Top from a 77 cutlass. Does anyone know if I can
>make this top work, the clips do not line up. Should I return it, or make it
>work? I paid $40 for it. I don't know how hard it is to find a T-top for
>these cars.
>  Thanks for any advice you guys can give me.

I have an extra set with my 75 I am selling.....
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28 76 Malibu Classic
80 Olds 442 W-30 75 Hurst/Olds W-25

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From: MV <dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 02:48:23 -0300
Subject: SUSPENSION 73 Delta 88

Bonjour, everybody,

I'll be back home in a week or so and would like to work on the suspension
of my car. i'm mean rebuild both front and rear.
i've checked prices around and found great differences between dealers and
what's offered. Most of them will have a standard, a deluxe, a high
performance, a polygraphite or a polyurethane bushing kit in a price range
from 150 $ to 340 $.
i use the car quiet often but don't do any kind of racing, i just want the
car to run properly and be comfortable.
Do you think i have a need of one of these polygraphite (high performance) kit
or standard bushings will do the job? They tend to say that these
polygraphite are better, last longer, etc. is it worth it? (340$ against 210$)

What about sway bars? are they a real improvement to the stability of the car?

Among shock absorbers: air, gas, heavy duty, regular. What will be the best
for me, knowing i'd like a firm suspension?
i read in the option list for 73 that heavy duty coils and suspension
required special wheels. How special?

And last. on the rear suspension control arms, how do you change the bushings?
In the service manual it says you have to replace the control arm itself
(?), but i think i found bushings only for them. So who is right?

Help!!!

A. LACHATRE

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:04:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set

Valley cover works fine, used Mr. Gasket intake gaskets, However, sealed
the web ends with RTV silicone. do to machining geometry changes.

On Tue, 6 May 1997 Daren@qconline.com wrote:

> OL>Has anybody used Mondello's
> OL>bolt-in valley pan,& if so what kindof  luck?
>
> OL>                                  Thank's in advance.   Luke
>
> If your talking about the one that covers lust the bottom of the valley
> and lifters. I have one in a 425. Haven't ran the motor yet but the fit
> is very good.
>
> Daren
>
> O.C.A. ª23571
> daren@qconline.com
>
>
>

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 03:11:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Purchasing unwanted cars (Non Olds), was; Abandoned Tows and
Rockit ran again

unwanted cars (Non Olds)

The ultimate redundancy   :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: FPlant@aol.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 05:15:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 64-65 Cutlass

>Saw a picture in a Year One "Restoration Review" I got today captioned "1st
>generation 442s are more popular than ever..." .  It reminded me that I saw
>a 65 Cutlass the other day that the owner claimed weighed 3150 pounds.  Is
>this correct?  Wouldn't this make these potentially the fastest 442s?

A '65 holiday coupe 442 weighs about 3474 lbs, and Cutlass with a small
block weighs in around 3300 lbs. But I still believe a '66 W-30 and '70 W-30
are the fastest 442's.


Craig Rose
65 442 Sports Coupe
70 Rallye 350

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:14:22 -0300
Subject: Re: W33 455

At 03:16 AM 5/11/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a "70" W33 455 Highway Patrol engine in my "70" 442 convertible
>with a Hurst Dual-gate and a 390 posi,she goes pretty good. I have found
>very little info on the W33 engine except it's 390 hp. So any would be
>appreciated.
>                                   Thanks Dave Carolfi
>carolfi@wctc.net
>--
>ª Netscape folder cache
>
Dave

        The W-33 has the same cam specs and compression ratio as the
standard 442 365hp engine. It should also have the large valve heads and the
original carb is a 7040257 agan the same as a 442. There is otherwise no
reason that it should be rated at 390 hp. They may have been have been hand
assembled like the W-30 and W-31. Is there anyone out there that knows
anything more about these engines? It's kind of hard to believe that the
98's 455 was rated at 365 hp same as the 442's std engine but the had small
valve heads. If you look at this you wonder how they rated some of these
engines.

Jim Chermack

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 10:19:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it the Same??

At 09:51 PM 5/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>     Anyone out there have access to a Hollander's Manual?  I need to know
>     if the bumpers from a Delta 88 Royale Brougham will fit on my '82 Olds
>     98 Regency.  Thanks in advance!
>
>
>     - Pete
>     '51 98
>     '82 98
>     '86 Ciera
>
Pete

        Yes they are the same.

Jim Chermack

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 09:35:03 -0300
Subject: Re: How to go about purchasing another 442

Hi all,

A lot of you may remember that I mentioned a neighbor of mine has a
72 442 which I would like to have.  The kid (sorry to all of those under
25) who supposedly owns the car says that it has a 455 which he blew
up.  The car is in generally poor shape.  It has some body work that
needs to be done (looks like someone side-swiped it).  It has a vinyl
top which may have metal problems underneath it.  The engine is of
course blown and it hasn't been run in a long time (maybe at least a
year).  It is a golden color with black interior and black vinyl top.

How do I go about purchasing this car.  I know it will take a lot of
money to bring it up to snuff and I am sure the kid will not be able
to afford all of the fixes needed.  What is the value of a car like
this?  Any clues?

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

PS  I just had the belts, hoses, and smog valve/pipe replaced on the
82 Delta Royale and she runs like a champ.  It is amazing what a little
maintenance will do.

Later....

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From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@spoiler.interaccess.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 13:59:45 -0300
Subject: Head Gaskets

Uh oh...I'm hearing a hissing sound from the left rear side of my 307's
block when I park.  I'm thinking head gasket....I'm gonna take it in
tomorrow to be looked at, but what I am wondering is what an average
price to have the gaskets done would be??  Also, should I have both
sides done at once??  Or can I save a few bucks and only have the
driver's side done??

Thanks!
- --
- ---Matt
'86 442
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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:39:24 -0300
Subject: Head Gaskets

OL>Uh oh...I'm hearing a hissing sound from the left rear side of my 307's
OL>block when I park.  I'm thinking head gasket....I'm gonna take it in
OL>tomorrow to be looked at, but what I am wondering is what an average
OL>price to have the gaskets done would be??  Also, should I have both
OL>sides done at once??  Or can I save a few bucks and only have the
OL>driver's side done??

OL>Thanks!
OL>--
OL>---Matt
OL>'86 442
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Are you sure it's not your brake vacuum booster?  Try unplugging the
booster vacuum line from the manifold (or what ever it plugs into). Then
plug the port, start the car to see if it still hisses. As far as cost
to have the head gasket replaced I wouldn't know for sure because I do
this kind of work myself. I would guess $200-300 gaskets alone will run
about $30-40. As long as there is no other problems it shouldn't take
any longer than 1 day for a shop to replace the head gasket(s). Shop
rates here are $30-35 hr. How many miles are on the engine? If it has
over 100k it might not be a bad idea to have a valve job done while the
heads are off. A valve job should be under $100.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 12:54:58 -0300
Subject: Re: How to go about purchasing another 442

Sounds just like the 442 I use to have except mine had a 350 in it, sold
it for $400 minus tires and rims.Offer him $100-200 for it. If your
going to have the work done instead of doing it yourself you'd be better
of getting one that needs little or no work. Mine needed fenders, 1/4
panels, both bumpers, trunk floor, trunk lid, front seats recovered, a/c
fixed and some minor electrical problems. Had 137k miles with the top
end rebuilt at 91k (didn't have enough umph). The guy I sold it to spent
about three weeks completely redoing the body in his dads shop. I went
to look at it when he was done and couldn't believe my eyes it looked
like a brand new car! Let us know what happens.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 14:18:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Car Craft Readers letters

- ----------
> From: Daren@qconline.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Car Craft Readers letters
> Date: Saturday, May 10, 1997 8:53 PM
>
> I was reading readers letters section in my new Car Craft last night  at
> work. Thinking I should write a letter complaining of a lack of Olds
> content in Car Craft. When I start reading a letter asking for diversity
> in their articles. Then I read that this person is on the Olds mailing
> list. So I skip to the bottom and see Tom Lentz's name. Cool somebody
> beat me to it! It got me thinking if we and any other Olds fans we know
> start writing these types of mags demanding more Olds maybe they will
> start printing more Olds articles. Why stop there we could also contact
> after market manufactures. I wouldn't mind having a set of Edelbrock

Edelbrock is scheduled to release 400-455 aluminum heads in '98.

Also, in the new HOT ROD, one of the Reader's Rides is a Cadillac with a
455 that supposedly runs 12's at 120-something.  Very fast for 4200lbs.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 15:38:19 -0300
Subject: Under Dash Wiring

I've been tidying up the underdash wiring of my 69 442.  Over the years
it has been butchered by previous owners.  I took the advice of The Wiz
and bought a Service Manual and was able to trace much of the wiring
using the wiring diagram.....but there is one loose wire I can't
identify.  The wire is an orange/blue striped wire and its hanging loose
by the fuse panel.  The terminal was removed from the end of the wire.
It seems to run to the top left hand corner of the dash.  My car has a
mirror map light which does not work so I connected the wire to the
panel hoping it feeds the map light...no luck.  Can anyone offer advice
or information.

Wayne Schwartz

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From: earleywine@wworld.com (Gayle Earleywine)
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:39:35 -0300
Subject: .

Trying to locate email address for Jim Post,
Police Car Owners of America
c/o Sgt. James Post
Route 6, Box 112
Eureka Springs, AR   72632
(501) 253-4948

Thanks------- Mike Earleywine

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:35:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Head Gaskets

     Check the exhaust manifold gaskets, listen for leaks.  I've had this
     problem before.  Much easier and cheaper to fix than a head gasket.


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Head Gaskets Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    5/11/97 10:06 AM


Uh oh...I'm hearing a hissing sound from the left rear side of my 307's
block when I park.  I'm thinking head gasket....I'm gonna take it in
tomorrow to be looked at, but what I am wondering is what an average
price to have the gaskets done would be??  Also, should I have both
sides done at once??  Or can I save a few bucks and only have the
driver's side done??

Thanks!
- --
- ---Matt
'86 442
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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 08:28:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Car Craft Readers letters

     Really?!?  Cool!  My subscription generally doesn't arrive until about
     the 15th of the month (or later), but I'll definitely be looking
     forward to it!  Thanks for the heads-up!

     I don't know if you were a member back then, but around Oct-Nov last
     year (search the archives for "Project Olds Craft") we all had the
     same complaint about Camaro Craft so I decided to call for a
     letter-writing campaign, asking everyone to try to syncronize their
     letters around Dec 1st to make the biggest impact.  I don't know how
     many people finally wrote in, probably only a half-dozen or so.

     If you think it'll make a difference, I'm all for trying this again,
     perhaps with a different magazine or a manufacturer this time.

     BTW, Edelbrock has announced alum. big block olds heads.  Probably out
     sometime between late this year and next spring, no other details
     available.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Car Craft Readers letters Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    5/10/97 10:51 PM


I was reading readers letters section in my new Car Craft last night  at
work. Thinking I should write a letter complaining of a lack of Olds
content in Car Craft. When I start reading a letter asking for diversity
in their articles. Then I read that this person is on the Olds mailing
list. So I skip to the bottom and see Tom Lentz's name. Cool somebody
beat me to it! It got me thinking if we and any other Olds fans we know
start writing these types of mags demanding more Olds maybe they will
start printing more Olds articles. Why stop there we could also contact
after market manufactures. I wouldn't mind having a set of Edelbrock
aluminum heads on my 425.


Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

P.S. The new Popular Hot Rodding has a '67? Cutlass body on the cover!
Very nice looking, well at least what's there.Hav'ta send them a letter
asking when there'll be an article about the car.



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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 19:35:07 -0300
Subject: Re: .

Gayle Earleywine wrote:
>
> Trying to locate email address for Jim Post,

Try using http://www.four11.com/

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 16:51:36 -0300
Subject: Re: W33 455

Dave,
I'm just curious, how do you know you have a W33 engine in your car?

Art Fuller

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:11:50 -0300
Subject: polish and wax

Does anybody know what the difference between wax and polish? Which
kind of wax or polish work the best (or both)?

Thanks in advance,
RS
     '70 442 4 speed

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:21:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Head Gaskets

At 01:59 PM 5/11/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Uh oh...I'm hearing a hissing sound from the left rear side of my 307's
>block when I park.  I'm thinking head gasket....I'm gonna take it in
>tomorrow to be looked at, but what I am wondering is what an average
>price to have the gaskets done would be??  Also, should I have both
>sides done at once??  Or can I save a few bucks and only have the
>driver's side done??
>
>Thanks!
>--
>---Matt
>'86 442
>--------------------------------------------------------
>mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
>remove the "spoiler" for replies |
>--------------------------------------------------------
>
>
Not to beat the merely obvious to death, but if you've gone so far to have
all the top accessories off, and then to do just one head might make sense
to Mr. Clinton, but...  Anyway, the gaskets come in sets, and all your going
to save is a very small percentage of the total labor bill, and if in a few
weeks the other side needs a head gasket, you've saved for naught.  ...well
you do have an extra head gasket.

The Wiz

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:38:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Under Dash Wiring

At 03:38 PM 5/11/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I've been tidying up the underdash wiring of my 69 442.  Over the years
>it has been butchered by previous owners.  I took the advice of The Wiz
>and bought a Service Manual and was able to trace much of the wiring
>using the wiring diagram.....but there is one loose wire I can't
>identify.  The wire is an orange/blue striped wire and its hanging loose
>by the fuse panel.  The terminal was removed from the end of the wire.
>It seems to run to the top left hand corner of the dash.  My car has a
>mirror map light which does not work so I connected the wire to the
>panel hoping it feeds the map light...no luck.  Can anyone offer advice
>or information.
>

Perhaps the condensor?  Were they at the fuseblock in those years yet?  I
can't remember.  How about the parking brake's light switch?  Apply the
brake, does the light come on?  I was thinking they used a brown wire with
white tracer, but it's hard to say.  I think the map light used a light gray
wire, can't remember if it goes down the left or right pillar.  Logically
it'd be the left, and I think it pipes in with another circuit at the fuse
block (a series of connectors holding it together).  You might try changing
the bulb of the map light.  It should pop out and hinge down, if I remember
right...  Orange usually indicated a constant power source for GM's.  Does
it have a clock, or might it have had one at some time?  The blue tracer is
confusing on that issue, but...  Get a voltmeter and find out if and when
that lead shows 12V.  Take an ohmmeter to it, and see if it shows a
resistance, also (If ~no~ power).  There should be an orange and white
~pair~ of wires down there going to the floor light (orange supplying power,
white being the doorjamb ground switch)  Could this belong there?  Again,
the blue confuses me.  Last test, if the wire showed no power, and a
moderate resistance (*NOT* direct ground!) then plug it in to a ~known~ 12V
source on the fuse panel.  Look through the car, and walk around the car,
and see what strange items have come on :)


Good luck...  If you have any more questions, fire away...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 17:37:47 -0300
Subject: Re: polish and wax

At 05:11 PM 5/11/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anybody know what the difference between wax and polish? Which
>kind of wax or polish work the best (or both)?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>RS
>     '70 442 4 speed
>
>
While it's certaily possible to wax in Polish...but that's not the question.
In the automotive sense wax is a vegetable material, usually with a little
kerosene added for a vehicle used to protect and bring a sheen to the paint.

Polish usually serves a similar function, save it has an abrasive, and
special vehicles added to smooth the surface, and then the wax fills the
fine scratches.  I expect that most polish has wax in it too, but I assume
that that is not necessarily so.  In short, wax is a final coat, polish
approaches being a very fine 'rubbing compound.'

And I do not have any idea how this might be paralled to 'furniture polish,'
which I assume would have the same attributes, similar ingredients, but be
intended for wooden surfaces instead of painted metal.

The Wiz

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From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Sun, 11 May 1997 20:27:22 -0300
Subject: Original 72 Cutlass wheels

I have a set of original 14" wheels, hubcaps and new tires, (plus the spare)
on my 72 Cutlass S. I'm looking into putting Cragars on the car and I'm
trying to see what the original wheels would be worth. Offers?

JR

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