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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 29 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 698

Re: Re[2]: `67CS questions
Re: Hedders/442
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
message
Re: 442 Wheels
200-4R shift points
Re: ROCKIT TALK
get the July High Tech Performance magazine
unsubscribe
Re: About my Oldsmobile..
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
Re: Dual conversion exhaust:
ignore, for Richard Staley only
Re: ignore, for Richard Staley only
303 Engines
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
Re: 72 Cutlass Parts
Re: radio speaker 4x10's
RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine
Re: need rear bumper 65   98
Re: radio speaker 4x10's
test-ignore (list has been *too* quiet today...)
What size carbs yall think?
Radio Speaker Info
A Joke For the Olds Crowd
Re: Some Questions
Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)
Is it worth it?
Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: WIRING PROBLEMS
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: Some Questions
Re: Hedders/442
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)
Re: 303 Engines
Re: Is it worth it?
Re[2]: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)
Cars and parts For Sale
Re: need rear bumper 65 98
Re: 72 Cutlass Parts
RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine
Re[2]: 350 Buildup?
carb ID
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: Dual conversion exhaust:
timing chain - 3800
Re: NEED PULLEY
Re: timing chain - 3800
Re: timing chain - 3800
Re: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)
Re: Is it worth it?
Re: carb ID

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:06:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: `67CS questions

The emblems on my '69 that are located on these sail panels just pry off.
 They do have posts that insert through holes, but no nuts; just a kind
of retainer that presses onto the posts and comes out with the emblem.
Don't know about the '67, tho...


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com


> C/S badges:  The ones located just behind the side windows on the
>pilar.

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:57:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Hedders/442

hhzimmerman wrote:
>
> Brad Bowles wrote:
>
> >         I recently installed headers on my 70 442 w/455.  They are Doug
> > Thorolys.  They squeeze the starter, required brake proportioning valve
> > movement, and touch the firewall.  Other than that they fit. To fix
> > these problems...
> > 1. Wrap the starter motor in a heat shield and add a heat shield to the
> > solonoid.
> > 2. Move the brake proportioning valve
> > 3. take a prybar to the fire wall
> > No Problem!
> >
> > Doug Thoroleys come chrome coated to prevent rust too!
> > Brad
> > '70 442
>
> Where did you get them?  How much do they cost?  And do you know if they
> have a set to fit a 455 into a '71 cutlass convertable?
>
> thanks,
> greg


Greg,
I got them from Mondello at about $350.  I'm not sure that they will
fit in a convertable because of the frame reinforcements.  If not, I'll
sell you a pair of W/Z manifolds for a reasonable price.
Brad
70 442

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 23:45:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

> That would be ªoldsmobile on a DALnet server.  Hope to see you there....

That is the place.  I plan on being there at 8:30 on Thur.

- -Dan

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 22:02:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)

<snip>
> >  is not a W-30 but a W-25, any info. would be appreciated on finding out
> > > if my car has matching ª's?

Check the serial number on the engine, stamped on a pad below the
drivers side head at the front of the engine.  This will probably
require a mirror and possibly some cleaning.  This should be 8
characters long and match the last 8 characters of your VIN.  Then climb
under the car and find the s/n on the trans (not sure where this is on a
4-speed).  The right side of the case should have two 1" high letters.
WT denotes a wide ratio and WO denotes close ratio heavy duty.

>   Where on the oil filler tube is your ID tag? Real close to the cap
> where it gets wider? Or somewhere on the skinny part? Are your ID
> letters on some kind of metal tape, or kind of chiseled into the tube?
> Is yours on the side of the tube or on the front?

The ID tag should at the top of the tube.  The letters would be repeated
around the tag, which is made of a paper material, hence they normally
aren't there.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:04:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> > That would be ªoldsmobile on a DALnet server.  Hope to see you there....
>
> That is the place.  I plan on being there at 8:30 on Thur.
>

 On Rocket Talk?
  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:08:22 -0300
Subject: message

which of my messages came thru if any I sent 8 of them.  most of them
had already been sent before but I didn't see them.

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:04:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 442 Wheels

Peter L. House wrote:
>
> Hi Folks, I finally went to the Olds Dealer to order my center
> console gear shifter handle, It was six different parts the handle
> was one (Partª 22525555) then there were two rings a button, spring
> and a slide. I figured that I might as well order the whole
> sha-bang just in case next time they tell me that the parts have
> been discountinued, Anyway when I was done the bill was $48.49 Incl
> tax 7%. I thought someone said $19 U.S.
>
> While I was there I ordered a 15x7 442 chrome ralley wheel (Part ª
> 22528518 ), Cap Asm (22528777) & Retainer (Partª 552294). I had to
> break down and bite the bullet and pay the full dealer price for
> the wheel $368.00 not including the cap & retainer.
>
> I had one question since my car is a Salon not a 442 I wanted to
> use different Caps that just had the Olds emblem on them and not the
> 442 emblem. Will any 15in. rim cap fit on that wheel ?


Oh, yeah, the 442 wheel used the same center cap type with just a
different insert.  The wheel center area (spokes) is the same size as
the 14" wheel, it's just the outer rim is 1" larger in diameter.  Any
80's rallye wheel cap will fit (I assume with the rocket emblem)

Also, check to make darn sure the rim is not pitted when it arrives at
the dealership.  I ordered a whole new set and one of them was rusted
already, so I sent it back.  $368 for a wheel?  Tell you what, I can
save you $$$ if you want.  Let me check with my Olds dealer and see how
much they will be.  Where are you located by the way?  I'm in Aiken, SC,
and I didn't pay NEAR what you did for mine.  (I have a good discount).
If interested, I can probably save you monster bucks on the other three,
if you want.  Let me know.

Mike Rothe

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From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:18:13 -0300
Subject: 200-4R shift points

I installed the B&M shift kit in my '87 200-4R  I used the new pressure
regulator spring and drilled the spacer plate.  2-3  shift much better bu=
t
1-2 still soft and sluggish.  I installed the 1-2 accumulator spacer and
1-2 shift firmed up nicely.  However, the 1-2 shift point is not
consistent.  From a standing start it shifts at 4800 RPM consistently, bu=
t
if I have a rolling start, power brake at higher than 1500 rpm, or if the=

tranny cools down, it goes to 5500 RPM consistently.  I have tried
different TV cable settings but still the same (did not do before shift
kit).  =


I have since installed Grand National intermediate servo pistons and cove=
r
which now really barks the tires on 1-2 shift at WOT.  No change in shift=

point variation.  I then installed B&M line bias spring - same results. =

The shift point is always 4800 or 5500.  Anybody experience this before??=
?

Thanks

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8 =

'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6  =

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:18:57 -0300
Subject: Re: ROCKIT TALK

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> 'Aye!  9:30 p.m., EST is fine by me!
>
> Jim Chermack
>
> At 10:43 AM 5/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >We need to set up a time to get on to Rockit Talk!!   ALL IN
> >FAVOR!!!!!!!
> >
> >         RS
> >       '70 442 4-speed W-25
> >

What day? We could even do it weekly! :)

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:36:55 -0300
Subject: get the July High Tech Performance magazine

The July 1997 issue of High Tech Performance has a pretty detailed article
on the Caddilac Northstar V8 and it goes into the Aurora V8 a little also.
Just ignore the camaro/Trans Am/5.0 stuff in there:-) To quote the magazine,
"The Oldsmobile Aurora's passenger-car powerplant is a smaller (4-litre)
version of the Northstar.  It shares the same basic configuration and
architecture of the larger Caddy (4.6-litre) but utilizes a smaller bore of
3.425 v. 3.66 in the caddy. "

"The modified Aurora Race Engine is producing more than 650 hp from a mere
244 cubic inches in naturally aspirated form.  An increase in bore is used
to unshroud the valves,and a corresponding decrease in stroke allows for a
10,500 rpm redline while maintaining a displacement of 244 cubic inches.
During the inagural Indy 200, the Aurora powered entries took eight out of
the top ten places, sending the Infinity team back to Japan to cry in their
rice wine.  The Aurora powerplants were simply superior to anything the
Japanese could throw at them and prove once again that American techology
and manufacturing are the best in the world."

"....A stock 300 hp STS Seville ran low 14 second times at trap speeds over
103, only modification was the removal of the speed limiter.  This kind of
performance could very easily put the hurt on an unsuspecting F-body of
Mustang driver."

Anybody want to buy a 93 Z/28 ;-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm
l

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From: "Steve C. Monty" <anything-auto@geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:56:44 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe



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From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:58:11 -0300
Subject: Re: About my Oldsmobile..

I had an overheating problem on my 72 88 455 after replacing the radiator.
I found that I had an air pocket within the system.    I checked the
coolant level and OK when motor was cold.   I found the problem out by
running the motor at idle with the radiator cap off, the system ~reset
itself~. Added some water (about one quart) to fill the system all the way
and haven't had a problem since.  I guess I didn't fill the system all the
way when I first replaced the radiator.  I'm just a novice, so you really
do learn as you do.

David Betz
1972 Delta 88 Royale Convt.(summer daily driver)
1978 98 Regency 2-door coupe (other than summer daily driver)

- ----------
> From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: About my Oldsmobile..
> Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 3:42 AM
>
> Richard wrote:
> > I have a 1971Delta88custom..I have been having a problem
> > with it over heating..I have changed out the thermostat,
> > Radiator,water pump and various hoses..I really love this
> > car and NEED it..Please send help...What should I try next...
> > Seems as though it isn't circulating very good...HELP!
>
> Some additional information is required here. How did this
> overheating begin ? When does the overheating occur ?
>
> So You changed the radiator. Does the new one have at least
> as much cooling area as the original did ?
>
> And You changed a bunch of hoses. Did You change the lower
> radiator hose as well ? Did You notice the spring inside
> this particular hose. The spring is there to keep the hose
> from collapsing.
>
> Have You checked the fan ?
>
> --
> Esko & Anneli Ilola
>
> Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
>        01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116
>
> Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
>                               0\\\  o  ;/\\
> Oldsmobile Ninety Eight       \\        \/ \
> 1964 4D HT                    //////\ //\   \
> Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

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From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:13:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

I usually try to check in around 11:00 p.m - 1:00 a.m eastern time.  I
usually do not find anybody at that time, but anyone else interested,
please reply.

- ----------
> From: Peg O'Connor <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL
> Date: Tuesday, May 27, 1997 7:05 PM
>
>
> > I agree that the IRC has less delays than the web based chat, and more
> > options also.  The Olds IRC channel used to be Tue and Wen from 7pm -
> > ?.  However, with the advent of spring, most people were to busy to
show
> > up at 7pm.  The channel still exists and is still available for use.
> > I'd be intersted in picking a later time to hold a weekly chat.  How
> > about Thur at 8:30 Central?
>
> That works for me; also, everyone should keep in mind that if nobody
> enters the channel for 25-30 days, it's unregistered and purged.  I drop
> by occasionally to keep it active, but it sure is lonely in there!!
> Anyone else for some time suggestions??
>
> 8)
> peg
>

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 02:11:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Dual conversion exhaust:

At 04:09 PM 5/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm a little late . . .
>
>At the IVOC show I saw the right manifold crossover inlet blocked off, and a
>pipe running through the crossover area (under oil pan, above engine
>crossmember), then parallel with the single exhaust pipe, back toward the
trans
>crossmember hump. I didn't look underneath to see how the rest of the pipe
was
>fashioned. This was a pre-cat car. Chris Ruper saw a '83 H/O with a dual
setup.
>Chris?

That's sort-of how the Rockit is done.  Both go through the crossmember on
the pass side, then one side goes back across from there.  I've got two 40"
glasspacks with the driveshaft's back third between 'em.  They then go over
the axle and out the side.  Works well, and looks great from outside.
Fairly clean underneath, too.



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:01:10 -0300
Subject: ignore, for Richard Staley only

Hey Rich, you bummed out on me last night. Did you find the title or
what?

Stephen

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 03:21:11 -0300
Subject: Re: ignore, for Richard Staley only

Shang wrote:
>
> Hey Rich, you bummed out on me last night. Did you find the title or
> what?
>
> Stephen,
  I found the vin on the car it matches the title!! but what was the ª
on the engine supposed to  be?

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

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From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:32:17 -0300
Subject: 303 Engines

I just received my copy fo Classic Auto Restorer, and guess what?  A  nice
article about the first generation Rocket engine.  Short, but nicely done.
  Really interesting to all us fans of 50's Olds, and good information for
all the "muscle" guys.  This is the engine from which came all our small and
big block engines as well as the ch*vy small block.
The magazine may be difficult to find ( I don't think you can get it at a
newstand)  but well worth the effort if you can get it.

Elephant Engine Ernie

67-442
50- 88

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:29:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

I have problems accessing the chat link URL.  I seem to core dump.  I am
running Netscape on Linux.  Does anyone know what I am doing wrong?

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 07:31:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Parts

How would I go about getting in contact with Mike Aldana?

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:45:19 -0300
Subject: Re: radio speaker 4x10's

I was at Peps last night and eyed up the 4x10's that I told about a few days
ago. They *are* 4 or 8 ohm compatible and are polyurthane woofers for long
life  and daul cones. They are Audiovox's and are $17 each. They can be bought
singular instead of pairs. Sounds like this is right up your alley, Christian.






=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:20:13 -0300
Subject: RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine

Jason is there any way you can fax or scan the article. I would like to =
read it.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Wed, May 28, 1997 11:49 PM
Subject: get the July High Tech Performance magazine
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

The July 1997 issue of High Tech Performance has a pretty detailed =
article
on the Caddilac Northstar V8 and it goes into the Aurora V8 a little =
also.
Just ignore the camaro/Trans Am/5.0 stuff in there:-) To quote the =
magazine,
"The Oldsmobile Aurora's passenger-car powerplant is a smaller (4-litre)
version of the Northstar.  It shares the same basic configuration and
architecture of the larger Caddy (4.6-litre) but utilizes a smaller bore =
of
3.425 v. 3.66 in the caddy. "

"The modified Aurora Race Engine is producing more than 650 hp from a =
mere
244 cubic inches in naturally aspirated form.  An increase in bore is =
used
to unshroud the valves,and a corresponding decrease in stroke allows for =
a
10,500 rpm redline while maintaining a displacement of 244 cubic inches.
During the inagural Indy 200, the Aurora powered entries took eight out =
of
the top ten places, sending the Infinity team back to Japan to cry in =
their
rice wine.  The Aurora powerplants were simply superior to anything the
Japanese could throw at them and prove once again that American techology
and manufacturing are the best in the world."

"....A stock 300 hp STS Seville ran low 14 second times at trap speeds =
over
103, only modification was the removal of the speed limiter.  This kind =
of
performance could very easily put the hurt on an unsuspecting F-body of
Mustang driver."

Anybody want to buy a 93 Z/28 ;-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 =
stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm
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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 01:45:43 -0300
Subject: Re: need rear bumper 65   98

Mike Aldana who does rechroming had mentioned having (some) bumper cores
available - why not e-mail and see if he has what you need or poss. knows
of one.

He's at:  619-357-0713, or email at maldana@quix.net



Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:37:30 -0300
Subject: Re: radio speaker 4x10's

SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>
> I was at Peps last night and eyed up the 4x10's that I told about a few
> days ago. They *are* 4 or 8 ohm compatible...

WARNING!  DANGER WILL ROBINSON!

Unless these are dual voice-coil speakers and can be strapped for either
4 or 8 ohm impedance, be *very* cautious of the manufacturers claims.  If
the impedance of these guys happen to be 4 ohms and you hook them up to
an amplifier that will only tolerate an 8 ohm load, you may find youself
conducting the proverbial "smoke test".

Some salesman now working in car audio departments may not be aware of
the electrical characteristics of radios built before they were born.  Be
sure of a speakers actual impedance and never try to hook up speakers
with a lower impedance than the amp is rated for.  See the FAQ for more
detailed information.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:07:26 -0300
Subject: test-ignore (list has been *too* quiet today...)

OL>I told you to _ignore_ this; boy, some people just don't listen... ;)
OL>_______________________________________________________
OL>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
OL>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Listen to what?

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:07:24 -0300
Subject: What size carbs yall think?

OL>A question for performance guys

OL>The engine
OL>455 +.030
OL>11:1 forged pistons
OL>Strapped mains/restricted top end
OL>Ported polished "E" heads
OL>Stainless valves w/ machined stems
OL>Roller rockers
OL>.540/.540 252@.050 cam
OL>unilite w/ Constant Discharge ignition
OL>2" primary headers
OL>Dual stage niitrous (75/200hp)
OL>Dual quad tunnel ram

OL>  I've got an 850 Holley D.P. so I can either buy another
OL>850 or sell it and get a pair of 650-750 Holley D.P.'s
OL>I dont want to over carb with the 850's and I dont wanna
OL>under carb with all the porting work.  Can the 850's be jetted
OL>to run on my motor? or will I be better off with smaller carbs?
OL>
OL>Ken


I ran your combo thru Drag Strip Plus. Some of the info I guessed at so
the actual out come might be a little different.

What I guessed at:

car/driver weight  3885 lb.
rear gear  4.10:1
tire diameter 27
total dur. 300deg.
lobe separation  108
4deg. advanced
solid lfter
3000 rpm stall

this is what it suggested

larger cam
lower rpm manifold
carb cfm 936-1205
header length 32.3"
6638 shift point
3800 rpm stall

704 gross hp.
521 net hp.
11.23 @ 120mph in the 1/4 mile

The version I have doesn't have input for two stage nitrous so I entered
150 hp. single stage.

I've found this program to be pretty accurate.
I got the jm-40 cam in a 425 haven't ran it yet.
Happy Hot Rodding!!!!!

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 09:07:22 -0300
Subject: Radio Speaker Info

OL>An interesting tidbit for sure. Now, does anyone know of any late GMs
OL>that use 4x10s? Since it seems they still use 10 ohm speakers I should be
OL>able to find one of those too for a front replacement.

OL>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canad

I think '88-up GM full size trucks w/ext. cabs use 4x10s in the
c-pillars.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:27:21 -0300
Subject: A Joke For the Olds Crowd

I saw this joke in a definitely non-Olds auto newsgroup
(HINT:  All of the on-topic cars are air-cooled).  A little editing,
and it became a cute Oldsmobile joke:

One night, a policeman was patrolling a local parking spot overlooking
a golf course.  He drove by a Cutlass/442/Toronado/VC/98/88/etc., and saw
a couple inside with the dome light on (imagine that, the dome light works!).
There was a young man in the driver's seat reading JWO, and a young lady in
the back seat  knitting. He stopped to investigate.  He walked up to the
driver's  window and knocked. The young man looked up, cranked the window
down, and said,

 "Yes Officer?"

 "What are you doing?" the policeman asked.

 "What does it look like?" answered the young man. "I'm reading
 this magazine."

 Pointing towards the young lady in the back seat, the officer
 then asked, "And what is she doing?"

 The young man looked over his shoulder and replied, "What does it
 look like? She's knitting."

 "And how old are you?" the officer then asked the young man.

 "I'm nineteen," he replied.

 "And how old is she?" asked the officer.

 The young man looked at his watch and said,
 "Well, in about twelve minutes, she'll be eighteen."




Tim ("...My Roomate Was Putting At Night...") Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:52:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Some Questions

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>

At 07:01 PM 5/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 07:07 PM 5/27/97 -0300, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:

>>>Here's my time slips from last year for your amusment...
>>>
>>>PASS  =A66
>>>ET:   14.378
>>>MPH:  98.973

>Pretty good times for your first time out! What was the temp and altitud=
e of
>the track, and what tire were you using?

Hmmm.  If I remember correctly, it was in the lo 70's, partly cloudy w/ a
cool breeze from the north.  The track is in Union Grove, Wis. but I have
no idea what the altitude is.  The tires are BFG radial TA's, 255/60R15's
on back.  They were only a couple of weeks old at that point.

>Of course, with some better tires and some tuning, Jeff's car could quit=
e
>easily be in the 13's, but then we're not talking about a "stock" 442 th=
en,
>are we.

Depends on the definition of stock.  Obviously the tires arent.  The engi=
ne
and drivetrain are stock, but I did add the OAI hood and air cleaner assy.
No tuning to the carb (rod changes, etc) was done though.

>> Now can someone help me understand this.
>>How can my 93 Z/28...(ignore my
>>e.t. in my sig as that is with a non-stock engine) with a SB Chevy 350,
>>275hp, 325 torque, 3600lbs, 3.23 posi-rear, 700R-4 automatic tranny run
>> bone stock times in the 13.8 to 14.1 range at 97-99mph....run faster
>>or nearly the same as a bone stock 70 442 with a 455?

I think my times reflect the driver.  ie, I didnt know what I was doing. =
:-)

>The fact that the MPH's are basically the same shows basically equivalen=
t hp
>(net); your et's are better because you've got more traction through one
>tire than Jeff has through all four...

Hey, theres an idea!  I should take my Yukon to the track to test the
relationship of 2WD to 4WD.  :-)

>Of course, Jeff could apply all these principles to his 455, and then yo=
ur
>350 would be a bit behind. As they come from the factory, however, your =
350
>is more sophisticated, and already has a lot of the "hot-rodding" built =
into=3D
> it.

I'd still like to see someone take that caddy intake for the Olds 350 and=
 do
a custom TPI for an olds block.  There is some interesting potential ther=
e...
Too bad there was never a 455 version of that intake.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net~easton

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 10:52:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>

>>   Mark,
>>     Does your air cleaner have a pin with aone way push on star washer=
?

>YES ^^^^^^

Apparently that was the stock setup.  After putting my OAI together,
I about had a heart attack after my first run when I lifted the hood and
found the pin and star washer missing.  After calming down, I realized
that It hadnt been sucked down the carb, and I fished them out of
the bottom of the air cleaner base.  A new star washer fixed that
problem...

>>  P.S.  the oil filler tube on my car is blue and does not have the two
>> letter I.D tag on it so I don't know if it is a  =A6's matching car.

>Maybe your letter designation has warn off?  Your code should be TU.

Wasnt this a paper strip wrapped around the filler neck?  I havent
seen any Olds engines with the _original_ still intact.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

------------------------------

From: "j kimball" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 11:03:28 -0300
Subject: Is it worth it?

Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
Any input is appreciated.
- -Kaye
jdkim@lvdi.net

------------------------------

From: "John P. Stachler" <"jpstax@sprintmail.com"@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:07:04 -0300
Subject: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)

Karl,

You are at work right now, but before you (I) forget, I am writing this
idea down for later investigation.

It may well be worthwile to investigate the stock cam specifications of
other model/years of Oldsmobiles for variations that may/may not be
slightly improved over your 425 stock cam. Although Most cases (read as
all) will be degreed differently than your appliction, it would be
convenient to know if, for example, 1966 Toronado cams had
intake/exhaust lobes of better lift/longer duration than your stock cam.

This information could provide valuable insight for future salvage yard
forays.

Example; Well, it is only a 1976 Delta 88 with 455, but it did (probably
not) have a somewhat radical cam (rrrip!).

Any input others may have into stock cam specs of any models of
Oldsmobile would be highly valued. Thank you (me) all.

Paging Mr. Dave Brown, more good stuff for the FAQ!

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88

Working hard at hardly working in Chicago, IL

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 06:43:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

j kimball wrote:
>
> Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
> stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
> specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
> tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
> stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
> never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
> replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
> Any input is appreciated.
> -Kaye
> jdkim@lvdi.net

Kaye,

What an awful thought - to receive a loved posession in such deplorable
shape.  I suppose that I would have to start over.  By that, I mean that
I would have to improve it as much as possible so as to make it
everything that it wasn't prior to this sad development.  Why not take
your old wish list out of mothballs & create that?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: DavidB442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:08:16 -0300
Subject: Re: WIRING PROBLEMS

Here you go. Faxon Books 1-800-458-2734
I hope that helps!

DavidB442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:23:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

Yes, rebuild the car.  They aren't making any more and yours could have
been a whole lot worse if even recovered at all.  I don't know where you
live, but I have a 307 Olds I would donate (free to you) if you want to
come and get it.  It has been disassembled but is all there.  E-mail me
privately if you are interested.  Remember, we have to save the species
because Olds is not making fun vehicles any more.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 02:40:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Some Questions

>I'd still like to see someone take that caddy intake for the Olds 350 and do
>a custom TPI for an olds block.  There is some interesting potential there...
>Too bad there was never a 455 version of that intake.

I'm working on fuel injecting my Vista-Cruiser.  TPI actually involves
tuning the legnth of the intake runners for optimum performance. I don't
have the knowlege or equipment to handle that, so it'll just be the caddy
manifold with port injection.  It should still be a big improvement in
mileage and I hope to obtain better performance than is possible with just a
stock 4bbl.  Anything beats the 2bbl that's on it now.  :P  I'm probably
gonna use a c*maro TPI controller but I'm gonna learn a little bit more
about electronic engine control before I go to the junkyard and start
ripping the ecm and harness out of a trashed f-body.  I hope to have it fuel
injected in time for lansing, but don't hold your breath.  I also want to
fix the AC and beef up the 200-4R overdirive before I make the trip so I've
got a lot to do in the next two months.

I think Bob Valentine is working on an olds EFI setup too.  Maybe he's still
on the list?

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Richard <raf@cmpu.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:36:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Hedders/442

Brad Bowles wrote:

>         I got them from Mondello at about $350.  I'm not sure that they will
> fit in a convertable because of the frame reinforcements.  If not, I'll
> sell you a pair of W/Z manifolds for a reasonable price.
> Brad
> 70 442

Brad:

Hi I've got a '69 442 w/455 and I am looking for a set of stock dual
exhaust manifolds. You referenced a pait that you had as a pair of w/z.

Are these stock?  What does the "W/Z" reference?
If these will work on a 72 455 block I would be interested in buying
them, if they are not spoken for.
If you get a chance contact me at raf@cmpu.net

Thanks,
Richard Fuqua
'69 442 455 4-speed

------------------------------

From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:24:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
Any input is appreciated.

The way I look at it we are one in a few. Everybody builds Chevy and
Fords. I would have to say rebuild her...I like the idea about making
it a little more better then before. We need as many Olds out there
as possible to show people that they truely are Muscle Cars..Grab all
your thoughts you had since you had owned that car and just do it.
Good Luck.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:48:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)

On Thu, 29 May 1997, John P. Stachler wrote:
> Any input others may have into stock cam specs of any models of
> Oldsmobile would be highly valued. Thank you (me) all.
>
> Paging Mr. Dave Brown, more good stuff for the FAQ!

Well, since about a year back I typed all of this info in (from about
1964 to 1979 - specs of all Olds cams) I think you'll find it's already
in the FAQ...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:54:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 303 Engines

Yes, I was really suprised, since a scan of the cover revealed nothing
Olds, and then there it was! Lots of good tips on using replacement parts
from modern engines, including the SBC. Some of those cheap parts are good
for something Olds related. :)

I was going to summarize the article for the list and the FAQ, but Ernie,
you want to do it?


David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
I just received my copy fo Classic Auto Restorer, and guess what?  A  nice
article about the first generation Rocket engine.  Short, but nicely done.
  Really interesting to all us fans of 50's Olds, and good information for
all the "muscle" guys.  This is the engine from which came all our small and
big block engines as well as the ch*vy small block.
The magazine may be difficult to find ( I don't think you can get it at a
newstand)  but well worth the effort if you can get it.

Elephant Engine Ernie

67-442
50- 88

------------------------------

From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 12:57:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

j kimball wrote:
>
> Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
> stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
> specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
> tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
> stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
> never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
> replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
> Any input is appreciated.
> -Kaye
> jdkim@lvdi.net

I agree with the others....re-build the car!, return it to factory
original. My 1986 442 was hit in the front, hard,.....believe it or
not.....at a car show, (the accident picture can be viewed at the site
below, just click the car). Make sure you pick a good shop, tell them
NOT to rush, and check on the progress everyday....in person. Most
important do all your replacing now, get everything you want changed,
now. Maybe it's won't seem the same, but when it's done it will be
better! Then get another car for everyday driving! If you need any info
or part numbers let me know, I'll be happy to help.

Looking forward to seeing the completed pictures !

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 4/30/97)

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:06:52 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)

Karl, Greg,
Yes, thanks to Greg and the JWO author, it's in the FAQ! If I remember
correctly, the part number in the table is not the casting number.


David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
Well, since about a year back I typed all of this info in (from about
1964 to 1979 - specs of all Olds cams) I think you'll find it's already
in the FAQ...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:09:20 -0300
Subject: Cars and parts For Sale

This Web site has a lot of Olds cars and parts for sale.

http://www.car-nection.com/

Example:

W-31 shortblock/1969-complete w/correct heads-had a lifter problem-make =
offer! This is the 325hp/350 ci.Also known as a "Ram-Rod"350! Also have =
in the original GM boxes/a complete
RAM-AIR ASSEMBLY(minus air cleaner):this includes new,not
reproduction under bumper scoops, hoses, clamps! If you want
ORIGINALITY-these parts are for you! Also have hipo 350heads and
port-matched aluminum intake for olds by "Dave Smith Racing"

Email Address: taps@net-star.net


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past

------------------------------

From: SPotter596@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:08:27 -0300
Subject: Re: need rear bumper 65 98

noted thx

------------------------------

From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:18:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Parts

>How would I go about getting in contact with Mike Aldana?
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>82 DRB
>
>
 You can reach him at: maldana@quix.net
Please let the group know if you are happy with his work, if you use him.

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:41:17 -0300
Subject: RE: get the July High Tech Performance magazine

At 09:20 AM 5/29/97 -0300, Etzel Bobby wrote:
>Jason is there any way you can fax or scan the article. I would like to
read it.
>

Well I don't have a fax or a scanner at my home, but I will be at the
salvage yard Saturday (we have a fax there) and can fax you or anyone else
that wants one then? Let me know..
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.html

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:42:42 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 350 Buildup?

What year 350?

Any thoughts on (1) the decrease in compression ratio from the 403's increased
 combustion chamber, and (2) the larger intake, but possibly smaller exhaust
valves compared to the original 350 heads? Did you happen to change the valve
sizes?

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
I have a 350 that I built up with the Edelbrock Power Package. With
Cam, Lifters Carb and RPM Manifold. I used a safe margine for Redline
is 5500.. I ran a TH350 Trans with shift kit and High Po power
bands,B&M HoleShot 2400 Torque Converter, and 3.73 gears...If You
follow this you will need to order adjustable push rods because stock
can not handle the lift of the Cam...It sounds nice and Idles
nice...I used OLDS 403 Heads that were decked 20thousandths, High
Volume Oil Pump and alot of other goodies.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 04:02:59 -0300
Subject: carb ID

I bought a carbuerator in a local junkyard awhile back.  I found it in what
was apparently a trash bin.  The butterfly shafts seemed to be in good shape
so I figured what the heck, it might be useable.  I paid $10 for it (kinda
steep for a piece of trash, don't you think? :)  and it's sat in my garage
ever since.  I was wondering if anyone could ID it.  It's a quadrajet, with
the fuel inlet pointing straight ahead, like an olds.  The number on it is
17056259.  There is another line below it that reads 1326 ASC .

After reading the FAQ i'd say it's got .059 primary rods and jets.


Does anyone else know anything about this Q-jet?  Is it a good core to start
with?

Thanks

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:00:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

>Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
>stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
>specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
>tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
>stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
>never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
>replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
>Any input is appreciated.
>-Kaye
>jdkim@lvdi.net

WOW! I would consider myself lucky in this situation!

They were probably very good at what they do. I am surprised they didn't
cut the car up (Sorry to raise the hairs...).

If I understand the current state of the car, it is just missing the
drivetrain?

Then consider it a rebuild! I don't understand why it will never be the
same! WAIT, your right... It should be better than when it was "borrowed".

GO FOR IT!!!


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 13:53:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

At 11:03 AM 5/29/97 -0300, j kimball wrote:
>Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
>stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
>specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
>tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
>stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
>never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
>replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
>Any input is appreciated.

Unfortunately I see this all to often being in the towing/recovery business.
It sounds like a professional chop shop got ahold of your car, aftermarket
isn't good for stock radio's so that is why it was left. Notice they took
the big ticket items from the car...stuff that will get the most resale
value on the black market. Is it worth rebuilding? I say no. No matter what
you do to the car you will always have that "violated" feeling when driving
it. But that is just my opinion. What state do you live in? Most likely it
will now receive a salvage title and the actual value of the car if it was
rebuilt to exactly as before will be drastically lowered.
If you do decide to rebuild I can help you out with some parts.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.html

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From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:13:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

If it were my car, I'd let the insurance company total it, fight for a
while to get the car's value out of them (take 'em a copy of Hemmings or
something with a few late 80's 442's in it for value comparison), and
then buy back the hulk at scrap price.

Since it'll never be the same, I'd first try to convince myself that
this was no longer "my old car", it's just a body I happened to come
across.  With the sentiment out of the way, it's probably easy to see
that you shouldn't try to go back to stock.  It's been raped too badly,
it'll never be just like it was.  It can, however, be a _very_ nice
something else.  Perhaps with a 403 or 455, and a built 200-4R or 4L80E
tranny!

j kimball wrote:
>
> Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
> stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
> specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
> tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
> stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
> never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?  And if so, should I try to
> replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?
> Any input is appreciated.
> -Kaye
> jdkim@lvdi.net

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:24:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Dual conversion exhaust:

In a message dated 97-05-29 02:43:15 EDT, you write:

<< I'm a little late . . .

 At the IVOC show I saw the right manifold crossover inlet blocked off, and a

 pipe running through the crossover area (under oil pan, above engine
 crossmember), then parallel with the single exhaust pipe, back toward the
trans
 crossmember hump. I didn't look underneath to see how the rest of the pipe
was
 fashioned. This was a pre-cat car. Chris Ruper saw a '83 H/O with a dual
setup.
 Chris? >>

I saw a few, particularly interested in the 80's Cutlai... :) since mine is
an '81.  On one older one (late 60's-early 70's maybe, and Silver, if I
remember right) I saw the crossover type of exhaust, and a cap on the
passenger side to create duals.  As far as the exhuast system from there, I
saw one of the newer car with a pipe that splits after the Cat, and goes into
two.  One goes directly back, has the mufflers in the area before te axle
(only approx. 12 in. long mufflers) and then goes over the axle, and exits
out behind the rear wheel (this was on the Silver H/O there).  The black H/O
had headers, and the pipes ran back on both sides (the pipe was "flattened"
approx. 1'/4-1/2 in. on top to clear, no dual hump trans x-over).  I didn't
look at the rear of the car for the mufflers on that car though.

The way I figure, after looking at how the headers clear on the H/O, I'm
staying with the stock exhaust manifolds, and converting to duals w/out the
Cat, and exiting behind the rear wheels, facing the side (not rear) of the
car.  I will cap the extra inlet on the passenger side manifold, and use the
system on the silver H/O (mufflers in front of the rear axle).  The pipe on
the silver went stright back, and then just had an offshoot to one side
(looked like a factory set-up, anybody have this?) to go over for the other
side.  I will get the pipe, cut it off before the two join, then run the
passenger side stright up front as the old one would be.  The other side
would go up to the x-over part of the stock muffler.  At some point it comes
down under the engine to a point where you could cut it, make a turn to the
rear of the car, and connect it up.  This should make for a clean system that
sounds good, as long as you get good mufflers.

Just my thoughts, and ideas.

Chris Ruper

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From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 14:44:06 -0300
Subject: timing chain - 3800

I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.

I've been told that timing chain problems can trash this motor unless I
change it.

Motor has never been apart - do I need to do anything to this?

Anybody have any suggestions?

Jeff

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:20:31 -0300
Subject: Re: NEED PULLEY

At 01:35 PM 5/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Great, what do I need to do, send you a money order or do you take credit
>credit cards?
>Whats your address?
>Rick
>

Rick

        Can you send me an address to send the pulley? I still haven't got a
check.

Jim Chermack

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:30:42 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

At 02:44 PM 5/29/97 -0300, you wrote:


>I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.

So you have an odometer that reads to three decimal places?  Cool.


(sorry, couldn't resist!)



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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:25:48 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

At 02:44 PM 5/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a 86 "98" with about 137.000 miles - runs and looks like new.
>
>I've been told that timing chain problems can trash this motor unless I
>change it.
>
>Motor has never been apart - do I need to do anything to this?
>
>Anybody have any suggestions?
>
>Jeff
>
>
Jeff
        I have a 86 Ninety Eight I got from my father after my Mother passed
away. It has 90,000 miles on it and I have already changed the timing chain.
It's not too hard but watch the crank and cam sensors. It made a big
difference in the way it ran. It ran good before but it ran great after. I
got 31 MPG driving it home from MN to VA. If you do this make sure you
install a new cam button available from the dealer. It's a high wear item
that will mess up the cover if it hasn't already. Mine had a few scratches
in it but was OK. They are about $10.00. Have fun.

Jim Chermack

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:38:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Note to myself (more 425 bumpstick)

At 12:07 PM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>It may well be worthwile to investigate the stock cam specifications of
>other model/years of Oldsmobiles for variations that may/may not be
>slightly improved over your 425 stock cam. Although Most cases (read as
>all) will be degreed differently than your appliction, it would be
>convenient to know if, for example, 1966 Toronado cams had
>intake/exhaust lobes of better lift/longer duration than your stock cam.

It might be worthwhile, they will be improved, they will be degreed
differently, it already is convenient (it's in the FAQ), and it did have
better lift/longer duration.

A new cam, ground for your application, with lifters, will cost less than
$175. It's a worthwhile investment.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:38:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Is it worth it?

At 10:03 AM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Some of you may remember a few weeks ago I posted that my '86 442 was
>stolen.  It was recovered yesterday minus just about everything.  More
>specifically (from a brief inspection at the towing company), engine,
>tranny, t-tops, wheels and a few minor interior items...they left the
>stereo!!  There was no body damage.  I loved the car but I know it will
>never be the same.  Is it worth rebuilding?

Yes, most definitely! Since the body is still in good shape and the
suspension is still intact, you've got a good starting point. Hopefully, the
insurance will cover the cost of a fresh built 350 or 403 and a beefed 4spd
auto. Go with custom wheels, get some t-top panels from a wrecking yard, and
enjoy the car.

>And if so, should I try to
>replace everything stock, or go with something a little bigger if I want?

You can start stockpiling the factory-spec parts for an all-original
restoration, but unless you find the original block, you'll never have a
numbers matching car, so it will always be worth less to a collector. But
honestly, that probably won't be a factor for another 20 years or so.

Here's what you should do; the chop shop who "parted" your car has to sell
the engine to somebody. Put an ad in the paper, that you're looking to
replace a 442 engine that you've "blown" or something; just don't allude to
the fact that it's stolen. Now, most chop shops will grind off the VIN and
sell out of state, but not all crooks are master criminals, so you may be
lucky and have them try to sell you your own engine back. Look it over, say
you'll come back with a truck to carry it home, and just come back with the
cops! Then you get your car, the insurance, AND the original engine (ok,
it's a long-shot, but hey, what the heck...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 15:38:44 -0300
Subject: Re: carb ID

At 03:02 AM 5/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I bought a carbuerator in a local junkyard awhile back.  I found it in what
[snip]
>the fuel inlet pointing straight ahead, like an olds.  The number on it is
>17056259.  There is another line below it that reads 1326 ASC .

That would be a 1976 Olds Q-jet. I don't know what application "259" is off
the top of my head, but I can check the monster catalog at home tonight.

>After reading the FAQ i'd say it's got .059 primary rods and jets.

You mean because it ends in "59"? No, no relationship; besides, if the jets
and the rods were the _same_ size, no gas would flow through them...

As for a quick decode, the Q-jets all begin with either "70" or "170",
indicating a Rochester product (the "170" carbs are the newer ones, usually
post '74, though trucks used the "70" carbs until the '80's; big difference
is that the primary rods don't interchange between these two series carbs).

The next two digits indicate the year. Actually, the "6" is the last digit
of the year, and the "5" is just different from the "2" that you would find
in that place on a 1966 Quadrajet (I believe the '86 would probably have a
"7" in that place)

That leaves the last three digits, which usually distinguish the particular
application of the carb for that year. The second to last digit *usually*
indicates the manufacturer, with "5" being Olds (but just like that "i
before e, except after c" thing, there are exceptions, especially in the
mid-'60's). For example, most 350 4bbl Olds carbs ended with "250", and the
Toronado engines ended with "252" for a long time. The standard big-blocks
had the "251" carb, and the 442 and W31/W30 carbs would end in "254" to
"259". No, you don't have a 1976 W30 carb, though.

After 1974, to meet the more stringent emissions requirements, makers
specified specific carbs for engines in particular models. So while every
1971 350 4bbl carried the carb ª 7041250, in 1976 there were different
numbers for the Cutlass carb, the Delta carb and the Omega carb.

As to whether it's a good choice for a performance buildup, it's not a *bad*
choice, though I know I have built up a better selection of the "70" series
primary rods than of the "170" series rods. Whatever you use it for, you'll
likely have to rejet it and use different rods; with the "170" series carbs,
GM seemed to favor larger jets, but thicker primary rods, which netted less
fuel flow. Jets and secondary rods will interchange between series.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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