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oldsmobile-digest          Friday, 18 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 620

thanks
Re: head games
Re: Re[2]: head games
Re: Pony cars (WAS Re: "Real" Musclecars)
Re: Pony cars (Non-Olds, Olds Made *Muscle* Cars)
center console
Re: head games
"She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)
Which Centerforce clutch?
Computers In Cars (was GETTING OUT)
Re: Pony cars (Non-Olds, Olds Made *Muscle* Cars)
66 VIN again
1971 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Interchangable Parts
Re: center console
Re: Olds models
Re[2]: head games
Re: TCC lock-up (was: Carb Problem?)
Re: Computers In Cars (was GETTING OUT)
Burette's, alternative to measuring head cc's?
H/O Parts
Re: head games -Reply
Re: head games
for sale in East Tennessee
Non-Olds: Scary Sight
Re: head games
questions
Subscribe
The Carburetor Shop Address
Re: Non-Olds: Scary Sight
Re: questions
Re: Non-Olds: Scary Sight
Re: Which Centerforce clutch?
Re: GETTING OUT
Re: Computers In Cars (was GETTING OUT)
What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners
Re[6]: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Re: Olds models
Re: Clock...
Re: Olds models
Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)
Mirrors
Those big wagons...
Re: "Real" Musclecars
NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
Re: GETTING OUT
Re: head games
Re: Pony cars (WAS Re: "Real" Musclecars)
Re: Pony cars (Non-Olds, Olds Made *Muscle* Cars)
Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
Re[2]: Olds models
Re: your search is over
Headers For The 425?
Re: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners NON-OLDS!!!
Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
e-mail
Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
Re: Re[2]: Olds models
Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
Re: Headers For The 425?
Re: 66 Delta  codes
Berejik meeting  (was Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret"
Re: your search is over
Re: Clock...
Re: your search is over
Re: Pony cars (WAS Re: "Real" Musclecars)

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From: User552217@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:48:28 -0300
Subject: thanks

thanks alot. happy oldsmobiling!

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:53:50 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

At 12:15 PM 4/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:03 AM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Robert J. Barry wrote:
>>
>>> And where the heck can I buy a "burette" (sp?)?
>>
>>Huh?  What are you trying to say here?
>
>OK, it's a long tube with markings on it in cubic centimeters, and it has a
>little valve on the bottom to measure out precise amounts of liquid. I have
>*NO* idea where you would buy one of them.

The Fisher Scientific Catalog has 11 pages worth of them.  A "standard"
buret like you might find a chemistry lab with a capacity of 50 mL costs
very roughly around $100.  Seems like a lot for a long glass tube until you
realize that the cost comes in the precision volume measurements (typically
to plus or minus 0.05 mL) that can be obtained from them.

Who is thinking of doing some titrations?


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:00:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: head games

At 12:40 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Check any science supply stores. You might need to go mail order to one of
>these places. The big sci. store near myself only has 40cc and they want
>big bucks!

Hmmm, I guess I've never noticed a "Beakers 'R' Us" in any of the nearby
malls. I'll have to look harder (seriously, I didn't know that stores such
as this existed).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:01:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Pony cars (WAS Re: "Real" Musclecars)

>
> > A pony car is one of the Mustang genre.  Mustang = pony.  It all started
> > with the 1964-1/2 Mustang.  A pony car is one that emulates the Musgang.
It > > is not necessarily one of great power and performance.  A muscle car > >
<Muscle car anecdotes snipped> > > OK, here's what I've understood to be the
definition of a 'pony car': > > When Lee Iacoca's group came up with the
Mustang, it was conceived as > a small sporty car based upon the Falcon/Comet
floorpan and drivetrains, > their compact unibody lines.  This made for a very
light car.

Yup.  The way I've always understood it, a ponycar was just a
sporty car that had a long hood, and short trunk following the lines of
the Mustang, or GMs equivilant.  I think the 'Cuda would fit into this
catagory as well.

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:24:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Pony cars (Non-Olds, Olds Made *Muscle* Cars)


> Yup.  The way I've always understood it, a ponycar was just a
> sporty car that had a long hood, and short trunk following the lines of
> the Mustang, or GMs equivilant.  I think the 'Cuda would fit into this
> catagory as well.

'zactly, Scott.  In fact, the 'Cuda's heritage from the Dart/Valiant is much
more obvious; the 64 Barracuda's front end was the same as a Valiant, and it
was only slightly different for the '67 -> '69 version (of which I owned a
'67 *Ragtop* -- less than 3,000 made -- I shoulda kept it, Slant 6 'n all!)

Can't say for sure if the '70 -> on Cuda was also based on the Valiant
floorpan.

But, Gee, this makes me wonder:  Did AMC base the AMX/Javelin on an existing
chassis, or was it done from scratch?



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: chris burge <cburge@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:29:17 -0300
Subject: center console

I am looking for a 1972 center console, Black.
Please, Please help me.

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From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:31:01 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

At 12:15 PM 4/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:03 AM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Robert J. Barry wrote:
>>
>>> And where the heck can I buy a "burette" (sp?)?


  If you don't have a scientific warehouse(you know, the kind that sell
chemistry sets for kids and unabomber wannabees) near you and you don't want
to raid your chemistry department(first and best choice), Cole-Parmer, (800)
323-4340, is a research and technical supply company that will have what
you're looking for.  Better still is Fisher Co., (800) 766-7000.  Neither
will be cheap and probably sell by the dozen.  Raid the chem. dept..

  Paul Brillhart

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:29:18 -0300
Subject: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)

> >Check any science supply stores. You might need to go mail order to one of
> >these places. The big sci. store near myself only has 40cc and they want
> >big bucks!

Doc Bob muses:

> Hmmm, I guess I've never noticed a "Beakers 'R' Us" in any of the nearby
> malls. I'll have to look harder (seriously, I didn't know that stores such
> as this existed).

Bob, if you really want one, I could ask my wife, the biologist (her name
is Ruth, and she *hates* it when I call her Dr. you-know-who :) ) to maybe
find an old 100ml one at work, assuming they're not really worth $100.
White collar crime and all that.  Then, when I finally do make it to one of
those Berejik meets, I could bring it.



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:35:21 -0300
Subject: Which Centerforce clutch?

  O.K., CenterForce seems to be the way to go from what you're saying.  I'm
assuming that for heavy duty use like Jim described, the Dual Friction is
the way to go.  Am I right or are we talking about the CenterForce Gold?
Also, what about the Hays clutch?  Thanks in advance.

  Paul Brillhart

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From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:39:19 -0300
Subject: Computers In Cars (was GETTING OUT)

From: Thomas Stoner@U OF MICHIGAN on 04/18/97 12:39 PM

Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu> wrote:
I'm just impressed that you have your computer in your car; you must be
quite technically skilled!

*****************************
What's so impressive about that?  The '87 Toronado Troefo that my wife once
owned supposedly had a total of seven computers in it, to make the car run.
Of course cellular modems hadn't been invented yet, so we weren't able to
do E-Mail as we drove down the road back then.

Do you know that if you lock yourself out of your new Cadillac, assuming
you can find a pay phone that works, you can call their roadside assistance
people who in turn will call the cellular telephone in your car and have it
unlock the doors for you?  Now that's impressive.  The next step is
supposedly for the car to automatically call roadside assistance if the
airbags deploy, and using the onboard GPS report the accident with the
car's location.  The assistance operator will then attempt to call back to
the car, to ask what help the occupants need.  If they receive no answer,
they will then notify the local police, reporting the accident with a
description of the car and the reported GPS position.  Now that's REALLY
impressive.

Tom Stoner
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:41:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Pony cars (Non-Olds, Olds Made *Muscle* Cars)

For information on the creationof the AMX, Javelin, and anything else that
AMC made, see http://www.amxfiles.com/contents.html its a pretty nice site
with plenty of info...

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.html

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.


> But, Gee, this makes me wonder:  Did AMC base the AMX/Javelin on an existing
> chassis, or was it done from scratch?
>
>
>
> Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>
>
>

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From: "LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:50:32 -0300
Subject: 66 VIN again

While we are on the subject of decoding VIN numbers for 66 Delta 88's
perhaps someone can finish this one...

358396C118011
3-Olds
58 -??? (it is a Delta 88 though)
39 - Hardtop Sedan
6 - 1966
C - ??? (Sold in texas though)
118011 - It's own special number, as they say <grin>

Any takers?  Thanks.

Laura
aka ShadowFox

1966 Delta 88 - White w/blue interior

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From: namo@ix.netcom.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 04:51:30 -0300
Subject: 1971 Oldsmobile Vista Cruiser Interchangable Parts

I am restoring a 1971 Olds Vista Cruiser. I need to replace the front
fender, front bumper, and L/front door. Are these parts interchangable
with other GM cars and other Oldsmobiles?

I have a 455 Olds Rocket V-8, I want to replace my breaker point
distributor with a HEI distributor. Is there a factory distributor that
will bolt right up to this engine? Any suggestions about after-market
distributors.

I want to replace my single exhaust system to dual headers in my 1971
Vista Cruiser. Will Olds 442 headers clear my frame and suspension? Is
there a better system available from after-market dealers?

Thanks,

Kai Wong

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:49:41 -0300
Subject: Re: center console

E mail Jim Chermack at chermac@exis.net. He can help you.  Or call him at
757-474-0869...Virginia Beach, VA.

Mark Heiser

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:52:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds models

I just came back for my local Hobby store checking out the 1/2th scale.
metal models made by Ertl. They have (2) 69 442's available. A black W-30 and
a *beautiful* H/O in the white/gold. These are worth the search. The H/O is
correct right down to the 'bullet type' outside mirrors.





=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:01:49 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: head games

Seriously, the chem. dept. is probably the best source, especially if you
reimburse them :)! They probably have some scrap plexi-glass, etc.

Those sci. supply have some really neat stuff, and some junk, but there is
probably a thousand applications for some of the stuff they have - and you
probably won't find it anywhere else!

Gary and Bob: The FAQ would really appreciate the information you gleem
from those heads. I and the rest of the mail list would too!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
you don't want to raid your chemistry department(first and best choice),

  Paul Brillhart

Hmmm, I guess I've never noticed a "Beakers 'R' Us" in any of the nearby
malls. I'll have to look harder (seriously, I didn't know that stores such
as this existed).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:56:14 -0300
Subject: Re: TCC lock-up (was: Carb Problem?)

In a message dated 97-04-18 10:42:42 EDT, you write:

<< >Once stalled, it's a crap shoot as to whether it will still want to
 >disengage when you start it up, and put it in gear.

 I found this process of bonking it into gear will eventually free the
 solenoid. If you're quick (into-Drive-*wham*-back-to-Neutral) you can
 free the solenoid without stalling the engine, in emergencies.>>

Yeah, it just sucks when the damned thing doesn't want to go right, and you
happen to be sitting at a stoplight (with the car starting, and then killing,
over, and over....)

 >An easy temporary fix is to figure out
 >which of the connections on the brake pedal controls the TCC (which is
found
 >by pulling one, and seeing if the brake lights still work, and pulling
 >connections until you get it right, BTW, one quick note here, the cruise
 >controled cars have a swith on the brake also, so it's possible to have 3
on
 >the pedal switch).

 I would suggest looking under the hood instead; there's only one two-wire
 connector plugged into the transmission, slightly buried but visible from
 above, and that's the one to unplug. (This won't free the solenoid as well;
 you still have to bonk it free one last time...)

I'm sure that was as option also, but I'll be damned if I was hopping out of
the car in the middle of the road to start looking under the hood, nevermind
that I'd have to look for it.  Instead I just reached under the dash, yanked
out the panel on the underside, and when I couldn't get the connection off
the switch, I just puled the whole switch out, and disconnected all the lines
(I only had a few miles left to drive home).  Was the quickest, and easiest
thing to do.

 >After finding the correct connection, just leave it off. It's not good to
 >leave in that manner for extended periods of time (trans will get hot),
 >but it could get you home, and allow you to get the switch somewhere.

 It'll waste gas a little when disconnected, too, but the part is pretty
 cheap and installation is not too tough. (Ah, a fine Spring day, and our
 thoughts turn to bonking our Oldsmobiles... :-)

 Andrew C. Green >>

Remember now, I said Cadaver (Cavalier), so actually this would be KEEPING me
from spending quality time with my Olds (or now since the weather is getting
better, with my motorcycle).

Chris Ruper

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:06:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Computers In Cars (was GETTING OUT)

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:
>
> Do you know that if you lock yourself out of your new Cadillac, assuming
> you can find a pay phone that works, you can call their roadside assistance
> people who in turn will call the cellular telephone in your car and have it
> unlock the doors for you?  Now that's impressive.  The next step is
> supposedly for the car to automatically call roadside assistance if the
> airbags deploy, and using the onboard GPS report the accident with the
> car's location.  The assistance operator will then attempt to call back to
> the car, to ask what help the occupants need.  If they receive no answer,
> they will then notify the local police, reporting the accident with a
> description of the car and the reported GPS position.  Now that's REALLY
> impressive.
Yeah, if they spent more time on this, and less on traction
control/etc.., maybe computers in car's might actually get a good
reputation?


.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard of olds's: Current count : 4 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
.....End of self-promo                      .....

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:09:07 -0300
Subject: Burette's, alternative to measuring head cc's?

A thought on measuring combustion chamber's:

Assuming piston shape was the same, couldn't you throw a formula togethor
to determine combustion chamber cc's via resulting compression ratio?

Now, is there different shaped piston's in different motor's (would
thwart my plan).

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard of olds's: Current count : 4 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
.....End of self-promo                      .....

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From: kennelson5@juno.com (Ken D Nelson)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:02:45 -0300
Subject: H/O Parts

Thanks for the reply concerning the '75 parts.  Sounds like my
parts are in the same condition as yours. I have two sets of inner panels
one is crumbling and the other is faded and warped but still pliable I
think I will paint them. I may use one set as and  mold to repro them in
fiberglass. One question you said that the vinyl is coming off the set.
Well neither of my sets have vinyl on them. Is this something restorers,
repro's do or did olds use vinyl for the black interiors over the white
panels, my panels are white.
As for the rest of the parts, here again the parts I have are the
same condition, and my T-Tops are framed ( I have two sets) so for now
I'll pass. But if you come across any really good  parts that you don't
want give my a call.

Ken Nelson
'75 H/O W25
'75 toro 455 for sale parts or whole

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From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 14:12:27 -0300
Subject: Re: head games -Reply

Try Powerhouse Products (1-800-872-7223) or any hard corp race
products co. or a medical supply company.
                                          Gary

>>> Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>  4/18/97, 11:15am
>>>
At 10:03 AM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
>> And where the heck can I buy a "burette" (sp?)?
>
>Huh?  What are you trying to say here?

OK, it's a long tube with markings on it in cubic centimeters, and it
has a
little valve on the bottom to measure out precise amounts of liquid.
I have
*NO* idea where you would buy one of them.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:02:17 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

> OK, it's a long tube with markings on it in cubic centimeters, and it has
a
> little valve on the bottom to measure out precise amounts of liquid. I
have
> *NO* idea where you would buy one of them.
> _______________________________________________________
 A Buret can be bought from Goodson http://www.goodson.com They have one
with a stand and the plexiglass plate to put over the chamber. Theres
measures 0 when full so when you run the fluid into the head you read
directly off the scale and you dont have to do any figureing. BUT it aint
cheap  I have used a BIG syringe from a vet uesd on cattle and made my own
plate before I finally broke down and bought one from Goodson.
Walter

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:06:50 -0300
Subject: for sale in East Tennessee

These were out of one of the local papers if anyone is interested.  If
anybody is interested in anything in Johnson City, Jonesborough, or
Greeneville, TN, I can probably take a look at the vehicle for them.
There weren't as many Oldses in the paper this time as usual though...

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu


'64 Dynamic 88
V8, 2dr. hardtop, auto, ps, pb, VGC, runs and drives good.
$2500(423)357-7274 (Church Hill, TN)

'66 442
body good, interior exc. eng. needs work 56k miles
$3000 obo (423)357-8641 (Church Hill, TN)

'66 Toronado
been restored
$4500  (423)929-7280 (Johnson City, TN)

'67 Cutlass S
455, needs work,
$550 obo   (423)246-4113 (Johnson City, TN)
call after 5:30 PM

'69 Delta 88
455, orig, looks good, runs exc.
$1600 (423)543-3344 (Elizabethtown, TN)

'77 Olds 98 Regency
new paint.
$1500 obo  (423)764-9778 (Bristol, TN)

'78 98 Regency
4 door, ps, pb, pw, 350, 76k miles, one owner
$749(540)328-3112 (Wise, VA)

'78 Cutlass Supreme
260, auto, air, exc. condition, runs great,
$1100 obo (423)639-4910 (Greeneville, TN)

'78 Toronado XS
31k actual miles, loaded, runs and drives well,
new:  battery, water pump, and muffler.
$2400(423)288-7970 (Kingsport, TN)
call after 6:00 PM

'83 Cutlass Supreme
3.8l V6, T-tops, air, new exhaust, white and blue,
$2000 obo (423)753-7550 (Jonesborough, TN)

'83 Cutlass Calais
3.8l V6, black, auto, GC,
$2300 obo (423)753-7201 (Jonesborough, TN)

'84 Hurst/Olds
loaded, T-tops, new tires,
$3750 obo (540)466-0672 (Bristol, VA)

'84 Hurst/Olds
JVC stereo, sharp car,
$3975(423)246-4113 (Johnson City, TN)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:11:52 -0300
Subject: Non-Olds: Scary Sight

Last evening just before sundown I was driving down a wide divided
boulevard enjoying the nice weather in my Olds. I was in a fairly ritzy
part of town when I noticed a cloud of smoke ahead, and with the windows
down could smell something quite pungent. As I rounded a curve I saw a
disturbing sight.

One of those mid to late 80s Chrysler LeBaron convertibles was parked by
the curb on the other side of the boulevard. The drivers window was down
about halfway (the top was up) and thick, brownish gray smoke was
absolutely pouring out of it. The amazing thing is that no one at all was
around. And this in a residential neighborhood of very nice homes that
would have been normally quite busy on a pleasant evening. Maybe everyone
had taken cover.

It was the damndest thing watching this in total isolation. I couldn't
reverse course for a few blocks and shortly after I passed the blaze I saw a
fire engine heading towards the spot. By the time I got turned around the
fire had consumed all of the convertible top - just black shards of fabric
hanging from the frame - and all of the dash and interior. The firemen were
poking around but there was still no sign of the owner. Just 2 little kids
standing on the sidewalk watching the show. It made me realize how quickly a
car fire can get out of hand and was really quite sad. I gotta pick up an
extinguisher real soon to keep in the car.

Good thing it wasn't an Olds...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 05:29:29 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

>>OK, it's a long tube with markings on it in cubic centimeters, and it has a
>>little valve on the bottom to measure out precise amounts of liquid.
>
>The Fisher Scientific Catalog has 11 pages worth of them.  A "standard"
>buret like you might find a chemistry lab with a capacity of 50 mL costs
>very roughly around $100.  Seems like a lot for a long glass tube until you
>realize that the cost comes in the precision volume measurements (typically
>to plus or minus 0.05 mL) that can be obtained from them.

Would a graduated cylinder be too inacurate for head ccing?  They might be
cheaper and they'd be easier to use and probably be accurate to within a
half a cc.  You'd probably have to find a teeny tiny one if you want
accuracy down to +or- .05 ml though, in wich case the pipet is probably a
better choice.  I would think the graduated cylinder is cheaper since it's
less accurate and doesn't inolve a valve or dropper tip, etc.

BTW a graduated cylinder is a glass tube with cc markings on it as well, but
you pour the liquid out of them instead of letting it flow out through a
valve.  And graduated cylinders can be (and generally are) larger in
diameter than pipets.  You probably remember using them in high school
chemistry.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: mazzullo <mazzullo@twsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:32:40 -0300
Subject: questions

I have a '56 Olds Holiday, Rocket 88, whose fluid coupler went kaput. I need
to find a fluid coupler, and hopefully, also a vintage gasket to repair the
car. I'd be willing to buy an entire transmission if I could be assured that
the coupler was operational. Any hints on where to look? I'm also considering
selling the car since I am not mechanically inclined enough to repair it
myself. It's good a great body with a new paint job (original colors), 35000
original miles!!!, and the interior seats need some repair. I'd prefer to
repair it, though. Thanks for your helpS.J. Mazzullo, PhD Department of
Geology Wichita State University 1845 Fairmount Wichita, Kansas 67260 Tele:
316-978-3140 FAX:  316-978-3431

------------------------------

From: Chad Michael Tearney <tearney@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:32:18 -0300
Subject: Subscribe

Hello,
My name is Chat Tearney.  I would like to subscribe to the
oldsmobile list serve. My E-mail is tearney@csd.uwm.edu.  Just in case
you'd like to know, I've got a 67' Cutlass.  In my opinion it's mint,
but the judges in the last show didn't think so, placed third.

Thanks

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:34:33 -0300
Subject: The Carburetor Shop Address

     The Carburetor Shop
     8460 Red Oak Street
     Dept. 21017
     Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730
     Ph: (909) 481-5816
     Fx: (909) 481-5822

     The ad says rebuilds starting @ $150 on your core. (Popular Hot
     Rodding ALWAYS has an ad for them)  I have an old price list at home
     and will send that out this weekend

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
     (H) brad442@erols.com
     (W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:47:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Scary Sight

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

Yes definitely get one...
If anybody doesn't currently carry one, no matter how new or fancy their
car is, get one!!  I carry one in Lucille always!  If you have never seen
a car fire happening, trus me and Greg, it's not pretty!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

> standing on the sidewalk watching the show. It made me realize how quickly a
> car fire can get out of hand and was really quite sad. I gotta pick up an
> extinguisher real soon to keep in the car.
>
> Good thing it wasn't an Olds...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada > > > >

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:53:00 -0300
Subject: Re: questions

What you need to do is immediately sell me the car for a rediculously
low price or trade it for my '72 Mercury Marquis w/429 :-)

Seriously, though, the '56 is one of my favorite year Oldses.  You might
try 1-800-FAST-88S.  They carry a lot of parts for the mid 50's cars.
Other than that, since you are from Kansas, I would have suggested Hall's,
but sadly, they are no more :~-(

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.html

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, mazzullo wrote:

> I have a '56 Olds Holiday, Rocket 88, whose fluid coupler went kaput. I need
to find a fluid coupler, and hopefully, also a vintage gasket to repair the
car. I'd be willing to buy an entire transmission if I could be assured that
the coupler was operational. Any hints on where to look? I'm also considering
selling the car since I am not mechanically inclined enough to repair it
myself. It's good a great body with a new paint job (original colors), 35000
original miles!!!, and the interior seats need some repair. I'd prefer to
repair it, though. Thanks for your helpS.J. Mazzullo, PhD > Department of
Geology > Wichita State University > 1845 Fairmount > Wichita, Kansas 67260 >
Tele: 316-978-3140 > FAX:  316-978-3431 > >

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:18:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Scary Sight

Even if I had a fire extinguisher in my car, I would probably be able
to get to my engine compartment to use it.  I have a hood latch in
front of my grill and if the engine is on fire, I would not want to
reach in there to open the hood.

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:22:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Which Centerforce clutch?

At 01:35 PM 4/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>  O.K., CenterForce seems to be the way to go from what you're saying.  I'm
>assuming that for heavy duty use like Jim described, the Dual Friction is
>the way to go.  Am I right or are we talking about the CenterForce Gold?
>Also, what about the Hays clutch?  Thanks in advance.
>
>  Paul Brillhart
>
>
Paul

        I would go with the Center Force Gold unless you plan on racing it.
The Hays clutches I've tried to run in everything from a W-30 to a 69 Z-28
were a piece of junk.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:22:26 -0300
Subject: Re: GETTING OUT

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> At 01:11 AM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hello all
> >
> >I was wondering how do I get out of this thing?
>
> OK, listen very carefully; look over your left shoulder. You should see a
> chrome mushroom-shaped knob. Pull up on it until you hear an audible
> "click". Then reach down by the door in the area around your left knee; you
> should find some kind of handle or latch. Pull on it. That will release the
> latch mechanism, and open your door.
>
> I'm just impressed that you have your computer in your car; you must be
> quite technically skilled!
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
What?  youve never run a modem over a cell phone   you aint lived!  might
bit pricey though!

Dustin

------------------------------

From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:30:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Computers In Cars (was GETTING OUT)

>
> Do you know that if you lock yourself out of your new Cadillac, assuming
> you can find a pay phone that works, you can call their roadside assistance
> people who in turn will call the cellular telephone in your car and have it
> unlock the doors for you?  Now that's impressive.  The next step is
> supposedly for the car to automatically call roadside assistance if the
> airbags deploy, and using the onboard GPS report the accident with the
> car's location.  The assistance operator will then attempt to call back to
> the car, to ask what help the occupants need.  If they receive no answer,
> they will then notify the local police, reporting the accident with a
> description of the car and the reported GPS position.  Now that's REALLY
> impressive.
>
> Tom Stoner
> Ann Arbor, MI
> tgstoner@umich.edu
>

Indeed they are I played around with one about 6 months ago   I was
impressed with the phones voice recognition (dialing ect)  I made about 4
calls before I finally pried myself out of the extra comfy seat!  I did
expect the car to handle better than it did though

Dustin

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 15:52:35 -0300
Subject: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners

I have been slowly reading messages from the past week as I've been busy at
work.  And I noticed something strange and was suprised someone else didn't
catch it.

Hey Jason,  what is this?  Is there something you want to tell us.  Just
curious.

>Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
>93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>89 Mustang GT: Blue, 5.0, M5, many mods...12.78@111mph
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback - next to no power mods, mostly Saleen
suspension mods and has never run the 1/4, only the 1/8

------------------------------

From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 16:51:08 -0300
Subject: Re[6]: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

>
>     Joe (anything less than 400 cu in isn't an engine) Padavano
>     jpada@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>
>
I expect that there's a guy or two runing a 392 or a 396 that might disagree.

Anon. I


     But that 396 would be a Ch*vy anyway...

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:05:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds models

SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>
> I just came back for my local Hobby store checking out the 1/2th scale.
> metal models made by Ertl. They have (2) 69 442's available. A black W-30
and > a *beautiful* H/O in the white/gold. These are worth the search. The H/O
is > correct right down to the 'bullet type' outside mirrors. > yes and Toys
'R' US has them in my area for 19.95

------------------------------

From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:08:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Clock...

To Mike in Ortonville:

I just sent the clock from my '70 Cutlass into Year One.  They offer a
service where they take the old, unreliable mechanical clock out and replace
it with a quartz clock.  It costs $125.00, and when I get the clock back it
supposedly will look and function as the original.  I will let you know if it
was worth the money.

Don't bother repairing the one that is in there unless you know a good
clocksmith.  As my dad said about the Borg clocks used in GM cars, "They
usually broke about 30 minutes off the dealer's lot."  He says whenever he
had one of those old clocks fixed, it lasted for two years, if he was lucky.

Anyone out there that can tell us about the quality of the quartz conversion
that Year One offers?  Or did I just piss away $125 clams?

Duane Ambroz
1970 Cutlass Suprmeme convertible (sitting in the garage sans its clock
because its been too damn cold here in Chicago to take it out)
1989 Buick Century T-type

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:25:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds models

At 07:05 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> I just came back for my local Hobby store checking out the 1/2th scale.
>> metal models made by Ertl. They have (2) 69 442's available. A black W-30
and >> >yes and Toys 'R' US has them in my area for 19.95

Cool; half-scale models! Do they even come with little 200ci Rocket V-8's?
That'd be a *great* commuter car, for only twenty bucks! And just think,
it'd still be larger than a Geo Metro...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:25:28 -0300
Subject: Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)

At 12:29 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Bob, if you really want one, I could ask my wife, the biologist (her name
>is Ruth, and she *hates* it when I call her Dr. you-know-who :) ) to maybe

heh...

>find an old 100ml one at work, assuming they're not really worth $100.
>White collar crime and all that.  Then, when I finally do make it to one of
>those Berejik meets, I could bring it.

Tim,

That'd be great! Of course, I wouldn't want your wife to be idicted on
larceny or anything, so only if its absolutely cool with her and work. Yeah,
I can't imagine that a little plastic tube can cost all that much! (it only
has to be accurate to within 1/2 cc anyway, so it's not exactly an extreme
precision instrument!)

I'll probably be at the first Berejik meeting; maybe we should start talking
it up on this list, since many people have joined since last fall, and I
know a few are from the Boston area.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Karl Davlin <kdavlin@bigfoot.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:39:32 -0300
Subject: Mirrors

I was wondering if anyone has seen electic bullet style mirrors?  The
project that I'm working requires me to use electric mirrors.  I would
prefer to use original style mirrors.  I found a similar mirror on mazda
cars.  Too bad they are plastic!  :-(.

                Karl

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 17:43:56 -0300
Subject: Those big wagons...

This doesn't relate to any of the ongoing topics, I guess, but
I thought this was kind of neat: I'm walking through a parking
lot the other day and come across a Custom Cruiser wagon, maybe
'83 or so vintage. It looks a little, um, loaded down in back,
since there's a large squarish object back there. As I get closer,
I can see what it is: an entire General Electric gas stove & oven.
They simply opened the tailgate, slid the thing in and shut the door.
I'm not sure some _minivans_ could hold something that size without
choking. Good old American iron!

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Jeff Ferraro <jtf4227@unix.tamu.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:52:02 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

> With the instant success that these cars provided, it was not long before
> Chevy, and Olds joined in too.  At that time, Buick had just introduced
> their Riveria, and it seemed to placate the Buick group.  And the other U.S.
> makers joined in too.  Even, AMC built a car that sort of competed.
>
> The Wiz
>


"AMC built a car that SORT OF competed"???? .....   Drive an 68-70 AMX
390 sometime :)

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From: Ossipee104@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:06:22 -0300
Subject: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS STUFF. WHEN I CAME ABOARD, I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT
WAS FOR USEFUL STUFF. I FOUND OUT QUIKLY THAT IT IS JUST A  BUNCH OF USELESS
INFO. I REALLY DON'T CARE THAT JOE BLOW BOUGHT A NEW CAR, AND THAT IT IS RED.
PLEASE DON'T SEND ME ANY MORE. I SEEM TO BE FINDING MORE OLDS PART SOURCES ON
MY OWN THAN THROUGH THIS THING SORRY IF I OFFEND YOU, I REALLY DID NOT MEAN
TO

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:01:44 -0300
Subject: Re: GETTING OUT

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> I'm just impressed that you have your computer in your car; you must be
> quite technically skilled!
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry
Bob,

Modern cars won't even run w/out computers.  Of course he has his
computer in there w/him.  You've been around those 1st generation
Toronado's too long.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:03:58 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> At 10:03 AM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Robert J. Barry wrote:
> >
> >> And where the heck can I buy a "burette" (sp?)?
> >
> >Huh?  What are you trying to say here?
>
> OK, it's a long tube with markings on it in cubic centimeters, and it has a
> little valve on the bottom to measure out precise amounts of liquid. I have
> *NO* idea where you would buy one of them.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Bob,

Some colleges & universities have them in their chemistry depts.  You
might check at a good one to see what can be borrowed for a weekend.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:14:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Pony cars (WAS Re: "Real" Musclecars)

At 08:58 AM 4/18/97 -0300, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:

>GM didn't respond to the *pony* car challenge until '67, with the
>F-body cars, which need not be named here :).  These were based on *their*
>compact unibody, the Chevy II/Nova.
>
>So, the strict definition of a pony car is a frameless (read: spineless :) :)
>-- just kidding, Jason! :) ) 2+2 compact with as much, or even more, engine
>than it can handle safely.

Hey now be nice ;-) These cars ARE spineless, especially the 3rd generation
F-body's. Severe chassis flex problems. 4th gens have flex too but not as
bad. I wish these cars were fully framed, I love that aspect of my 442
having a full frame:-) Can some of the Omega's be classified as spineless
pony cars;-/
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2
89 Mustang GT: Blue, 5.0, M5, many mods...12.78@111mph
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 13:11:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Pony cars (Non-Olds, Olds Made *Muscle* Cars)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
>

> But, Gee, this makes me wonder:  Did AMC base the AMX/Javelin on an existing
> chassis, or was it done from scratch?
>
> Tim Churchill

Tim,

I know that you will think that this is novel, but the
Hornet/Gremlin/Spirit had the same basic chasis as the AMX/Javelin.
This is even though the Hornet came 2 years later.  Rather like the
copycat Nova/Camaro/Firebird & the Falcon/Mustang.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

BTW.  Ever wonder why it is so easy to make a 401 monster Gremlin.  Just
part out a Javelin.

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:29:36 -0300
Subject: Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

>PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS STUFF. WHEN I CAME ABOARD, I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT
>WAS FOR USEFUL STUFF. I FOUND OUT QUIKLY THAT IT IS JUST A  BUNCH OF USELESS
>INFO. I REALLY DON'T CARE THAT JOE BLOW BOUGHT A NEW CAR, AND THAT IT IS RED.
>PLEASE DON'T SEND ME ANY MORE. I SEEM TO BE FINDING MORE OLDS PART SOURCES ON
>MY OWN THAN THROUGH THIS THING SORRY IF I OFFEND YOU, I REALLY DID NOT MEAN
>TO


Hey Greg! Let's start an AOL thread!

<Oww> < Ouch> STOP! I WAS JUST KIDDING! <OOWW!>


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 12:21:43 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Olds models

     Cool!  But wouldn't that be a 227.5ci Rocket engine?  Or since we're
     talking half length, half height, and half width It'd probably be
     1/8th the displacement at 56.875cid.

     My 9yo would really love a 1/2 scale H/O to run around in!  He'd go
     around terrorizing the sidewalks and challenging all the other kids in
     their pedal cars and electric carts to races.

     Tom, who's glad it Friday, Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Olds models Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/18/97 1:50 PM

At 07:05 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> I just came back for my local Hobby store checking out the 1/2th scale.
>> metal models made by Ertl. They have (2) 69 442's available. A black W-30
and

     Cool; half-scale models! Do they even come with little 200ci Rocket
     V-8's? That'd be a *great* commuter car, for only twenty bucks! And
     just think, it'd still be larger than a Geo Metro...

------------------------------

From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:27:59 -0300
Subject: Re: your search is over

TURBO38@aol.com wrote:
>
> i have a 1970 442 w-30. ram air, rear wing, 4-speed, 390 posi. left rear
> quarter damage. its all there, just needs to be molded together.
> call 512-462-1404 or email
>
> will
> austin tx.Is it for sale?

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From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 18:52:22 -0300
Subject: Headers For The 425?

I doubt such a product exists, but I'll ask anyways. Are there headers
available for the fantastic Olds 425 cubic inch engine? If there are, they
probably won't fit in my grandmotherly 98, will they. I guess I can deal
with duals. Well, take care!
Dominic

1965 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 19:37:49 -0300
Subject: Re: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners NON-OLDS!!!

**ATTENTION THIS IS VERY, VERY NON-OLDS RELATED. those with sensitive
feelings should hit "delete" now before reading
further..................................


At 03:52 PM 4/18/97 -0300, Chris R. Smetana wrote:
>I have been slowly reading messages from the past week as I've been busy at
>work.  And I noticed something strange and was suprised someone else didn't
>catch it.
>
>Hey Jason,  what is this?  Is there something you want to tell us.  Just
>curious.

>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>89 Mustang GT: Blue, 5.0, M5, many mods...12.78@111mph
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Ok, I was wondering how long this would stay hidden. Acutally I thought
Charley B would find this first and have a field day with it (I am sure he
will later:-)  Well this Mustang came into our tow yard involved in a minor
front end wreck (mostly all sheet metal damage...easy fix) The previous
owner was a woman (who got the car in a settlement from a divorce...didn't
know what she had) and left it there and bought a new car. SO.....we got the
title to the car and I am going to take er out and fix it up to drive and
sell it to get none other than a Vortech supercharger for the Z...at least
that is the plan. There were two old timeslips in the car from last summer
and the best was 12.78@111mph in the 1/4. Car has GT-40 heads+intake,
headers, h-pipe, no cats, 2-chamber Flowmasters and lots of other mods I
haven't figured out yet (don't know Ford well at all). Anyways it is odd
having a Z/28 and a Mustang setting next to each other now.....I can feel
the tension in the air.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2
89 Mustang GT: Blue, 5.0, M5, many mods...12.78@111mph
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:34:35 -0300
Subject: Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
>
> JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> >
> > JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Ossipee104@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS STUFF. WHEN I CAME ABOARD, I HONESTLY
THOUGHT IT > > > > WAS FOR USEFUL STUFF. I FOUND OUT QUIKLY THAT IT IS JUST A
BUNCH OF USELESS > > > > INFO. I REALLY DON'T CARE THAT JOE BLOW BOUGHT A NEW
CAR, AND THAT IT IS RED. > > > > PLEASE DON'T SEND ME ANY MORE. I SEEM TO BE
FINDING MORE OLDS PART SOURCES ON > > > > MY OWN THAN THROUGH THIS THING SORRY
IF I OFFEND YOU, I REALLY DID NOT MEAN > > > > TO > > > > > > Joe Blow just
bought a new car?  When, he didn't tell me!!

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From: jim helle <helle@dbeach.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:30:44 -0300
Subject: e-mail

Clayton Pierce,
Tried to e-mail you. Address wouldn't go through. Holler at me through
my e-mail.
helle@dbeach.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:37:56 -0300
Subject: Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

Whatcha gonna do... <sigh>

He's gone... don't waste any more time on it, folks.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:49:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds models

At 11:21 AM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>     Cool!  But wouldn't that be a 227.5ci Rocket engine?  Or since we're

Well, we were talking '69 442 models, so... no, I did mean 200ci even.

>     talking half length, half height, and half width It'd probably be
>     1/8th the displacement at 56.875cid.

I'll leave it to the geometrists to calculate what displacement an engine
with half the bore and half the stroke of an Olds 400ci motor would have
(the closest I get to mathematics is a seminar on Galileo I taught today...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 20:49:10 -0300
Subject: Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

At 06:06 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>PLEASE STOP SENDING ME THIS STUFF. WHEN I CAME ABOARD, I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT
>WAS FOR USEFUL STUFF. I FOUND OUT QUIKLY THAT IT IS JUST A  BUNCH OF USELESS
>INFO. I REALLY DON'T CARE THAT JOE BLOW BOUGHT A NEW CAR, AND THAT IT IS RED.

Though it is easy for us to poke fun at such a post, by repeating the
standard jokes about AOL'ers, or people *not* reading and most importantly
*saving* their introductory messages, or about people's complete unawareness
that their CAPS LOCK key is on and the little light on their keyboard is
lit, or the fact that the ones who generally end up complaining to the list,
about the list, are those people who generally have contributed NOTHING to
the list, or our complete amazement at the fact that people don't seem to
comprehend that they can simply delete messages that don't appear to be of
interest to them, without reading them all the way through (kinda like a
person complaining that the credits at the end of the movie take so long,
not realizing he can leave the theater any time he d*mn well pleases), I
won't go into any of those points, because the poster has stumbled across
something that has come to my mind as well.

Over the last few years, we've discussed quite a bit of detailed technical
topics, debated the merits of various modifications, procedures and parts
sources, and pretty much settled the debate on a number of topics. Hence, we
don't talk about those things anymore, and people who are just jumping on
board think that all we want to talk about non-technical issues.

I don't know if all the new people are aware of this, but the accumulated
wisdom that has passed through this page is available on the Olds FAQ that a
dedicated team of Olds lovers has carefully and painstakingly edited and
compiled into a neat little format that you can download and keep on your
own computer. A FAQ is just that; Questions that are frequently asked, but
whose answers have already been given and don't necessarily need to be
repeated. So, as a bit of advice, if you don't want to wade through the
first five-hundred or so digests to get a first-hand account of what we've
talked about (though I get a little teary-eyed and nostalgic when I read
through them; ah, those were the good old days <sniff...>), you can read
through the FAQ, and THEN come to the Olds list with the particular
questions that you have, which may not have been discussed as of yet.

So, if you want to know something, ASK A QUESTION!!! But read the FAQ first,
so that you can ask an intelligent and informed question. (of course, you
can always ask questions for clarification of things that may not be like
crystal on your first read)

>PLEASE DON'T SEND ME ANY MORE. I SEEM TO BE FINDING MORE OLDS PART SOURCES ON
>MY OWN THAN THROUGH THIS THING SORRY IF I OFFEND YOU, I REALLY DID NOT MEAN
>TO

I'm glad you're finding your Olds sources. We would have liked it even more
if you would stick around and share these wonderful sources with us (though
I imagine we've already discussed them in the past...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:08:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Headers For The 425?

  There are plenty of headder manufacturers that make headders that will fit
your application such as Hooker, Heddman, Cyclone, Eagle, and Doug Thorley --
 the 425 Olds engine is externally the same in every dimension as the 455.

              Hope that helpls some,

                                                 J2RKT@aol.com

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:16:29 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Delta  codes

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, jones wrote:

> > You are right I typed it wrong. The paint is R1 or maybe RI.   After the
> Acc it is blank does this mean it didnt have any options? The car now has
> power seat and tilt telescope wheel, trunk and hood lights The 237 must be
> the whole body ª as you said cause thats all thats there. It does say
> General Motors Corp. above the Lansing Michigan ( that was under the washer
> hose)

R is the code for Target Red paint.  1 is the convertible top code.  My
manual doesn't list the codes, just the colors, but I'm fairly sure that 1
is for white.

They didn't list a whole lot of accessory codes on those plates.  I have a
few on my '67, one of which I think is A/C, another one I think is power
windows.  These are codes the factory needed to make changes to the body
for the options to be installed.  Tilt/telescope and power seat are
bolt-in options and probably wouldn't have shown up on the tag.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:23:32 -0300
Subject: Berejik meeting  (was Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret"

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997, Robert J. Barry wrote:

>
> I'll probably be at the first Berejik meeting; maybe we should start talking
> it up on this list, since many people have joined since last fall, and I
> know a few are from the Boston area.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>

  When is this meeting at Berejik's??  Would I be able to make it before I
graduate and leave the New England area??

Thanks,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:24:57 -0300
Subject: Re: your search is over

TURBO38@aol.com wrote:
>
> i have a 1970 442 w-30. ram air, rear wing, 4-speed, 390 posi. left rear
> quarter damage. its all there, just needs to be molded together.
> call 512-462-1404 or email
>
> will
> austin tx.
How much..........  http://hanthorn@inwave.com

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:39:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Clock...

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Anyone out there that can tell us about the quality of the quartz conversion
> that Year One offers?  Or did I just piss away $125 clams?
>
> Duane Ambroz
> 1970 Cutlass Suprmeme convertible (sitting in the garage sans its clock
> because its been too damn cold here in Chicago to take it out)
> 1989 Buick Century T-type

Well, a few years ago for 29.95, I bought a quartz conversion for my 71
tic toc tac borg clock from the perrenial J.C. and the boys.  I changed
it out, and it's been running fine, and keepin' time, since 1992!

Mike Rothe

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From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:19:19 -0300
Subject: Re: your search is over

Reply to message from hanthorn@inwave.com of Fri, 18 Apr
>
>TURBO38@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> i have a 1970 442 w-30. ram air, rear wing, 4-speed, 390 posi. left rear
>> quarter damage. its all there, just needs to be molded together.
>> call 512-462-1404 or email
>>
>> will
>> austin tx.
>How much..........  http://hanthorn@inwave.com
>
>
>

       if only it was in ohio :(

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 22:23:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Pony cars (WAS Re: "Real" Musclecars)

       " Yup.  The way I've always understood it, a ponycar was just a
sporty car that had a long hood, and short trunk following the lines of
the Mustang, or GMs equivilant.  I think the 'Cuda would fit into this
catagory as well.

                                Scott
                        1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98"

So according to this definition, even the Achieva and Calais can be
considered ponycars? (at least in their performance versions?)

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