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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 30 April 1997      Volume 01 : Number 640

Re: 75 H/O
Starfire 1965 Conv  owners ?
Re[2]: Valves
L-69 (was: new member)
RE: new member
Re: Your favorite Olds on a credit card
RE: new member
Re: new member
Re:  TH 350 or TH400 ??
Re: 455 Manifold and carb
Re: Re[2]: Valves
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Re: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442
Re: Clearance Sale ª2 (4/30)
Re:Valves
'68 Cutlass 350
Re: 69 Cutlass
Re: Ol' Toro now runs!
Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su
RE: new member
Console shifter
'yardin'
'70 98 conv.
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Spring height
Re: Console shifter
Re: Console shifter
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Re: Console shifter
Re: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442
Tires purchased, and thread drift. . .
Tires
Olds Q Here Too!! (Re: warriors better tire makers ???)
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Re: Tires
Re: Olds Q Here Too!! (Re: warriors better tire makers ???)

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From: kennelson5@juno.com (Ken D Nelson)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:30:42 -0300
Subject: Re: 75 H/O

Jeff
My name is Ken Nelson I noticed from your E-mail that you are
parting out a '75 cutlass s.  I am currently  restoring a '75 H/O and
need some interior parts. I have all the Hurst parts but I need better
interior panels and trim pieces, my interior is white.  I currently have
2 interiors one from Rochester NY where I live so it is alright,  and one
from Oklahoma so it is severely sun faded and cracking. I need door
panels, rear panels (under the sail panels)  white headliner, window
trim. Can you help?  What is left of the parts car?

Thanks
Ken Nelson

kennelson5@juno .com

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From: Jaakko Mustakallio <jaakko.mustakallio@kolorit.fi>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:46:32 -0300
Subject: Starfire 1965 Conv  owners ?

I have been following this mailinglist for a couple months now, but I have
not seen anyone writing of Starfire 1965.
I have one convertible here in Finland, Scandinavia, ( Europe ) . I have
had it for 7 years and I think these full-size convertibles are great.
These cars were produced only 2136 examples ( is this correct ? ), and I am
interested to know how many of these are still alive.
Here in Finland also these full-sizers are popular to have as a hobby, not
only compact-musclecars. It seems to be little bit more difficult to find
parts for these, because nothing reproductionparts are available .
If someone has starfire parts-car I am interested to buy some parts that I
need.  For examle I need chrometrim which is between frontwheelhouse and
door. These chromeparts are similair only on starfires. I also need right
side headlight chromebezel - that maybe is similair also on delta 88.

If you have parts that I need, please send e-mail to me. I think it is
better to use direct-mailing instead of this mailinglist when it is
question of information that is irrelevant to all members.
By the way - is there some reason why this mailinglist is not made to be a
newsgroup ?

Jaakko Mustakallio

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:53:02 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Valves

Dr. Bob wrote:

Perhaps he was thinking about stainless-steel valves? I've heard that
valve-seat recession is less severe (not necessarily eliminated) with
stainless valves, compared to regular steel valves.

          Now you've piqued my interest.  I was not aware of this
          feature of stainless valves.  What is it about the stainless
          that reduces the valve seat recession?

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30


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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:04:17 -0300
Subject: L-69 (was: new member)

...The l-69 option was part of a full race package. A friend of mine
knows a guy in MN who has half of them ever made, there was only 50
something of the cars made from the fact. The l-69 was also a dealer
opt. all together there are less than 100 of these cars...

     Uh, not quite.  The L-69 referred to the tripower setup for 1966.
     I seem to recall that there were close to 2000 of these cars sold,
     in addition to the over-the-counter 3x2 bbl package available from
     the dealer.  You are thinking of the 1966 W-30 package, which was
     only available on the L-69 cars.  The W-30 package consisted of a
     more radical cam and a chrome air cleaner assembly which covered
     all three carbs and hooked up to the now famous bumper air scoops.
     There were 54 factory-built W-30s that year, each with a numbered
     air cleaner assembly.  The Track-Pac was the W-30 hardware sold in
     an over-the-counter package for dealer or owner installation.  I'm
     not sure that there is any good documentation of the total number
     of Track-Pac cars assembled.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@orbital.com

     66 442 (L-69)
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30





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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:54:51 -0300
Subject: RE: new member

Wow. Mike and his wife sure own some nice Oldsmobiles. I see that he has an 86
Hurst Aero. I have never heard of one. I know about the MC SS Aero and the
Pontiac 2+2, but an HO Aero too? Please fill me in. I assume it was not
factory but an add on kit?





=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:33:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Your favorite Olds on a credit card

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, David Brown wrote:

> Last week I received a VISA credit card offer for car lovers from Travelers
> Bank. They have three car card designs (50's, 60's, modern), but also have
> a design where you can put a picture of your car on the card.

Jeez... that's the last thin I need _ANOTHER_ credit card.  I currently
don't carry one as I have been down _THAT_ road before. :-)  I just figure
that if I can't buy it with a check... it doesn't need to be bought!  Now
if they were offering checks in which I could design my own artwork...

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:38:05 -0300
Subject: RE: new member

Yes, it was an add-on kit.  As far as I know though, it was only available
in '88 for the Cutlass Supreme Classic.  Of course, it could be used on
ANY G-body.  It includes ground effects and miscellaneous other stuff.
Wouldn't mind having a kit for my car, but they are rare and expensive
now.  Somebody on the list a while back said that they had several of
these kits in storage.  Oh yeah, the kit was not available already
installed, you had to install it yourself, and it did require some
body-work to use... maybe that's one reason why it was so rare!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.


On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:

> Wow. Mike and his wife sure own some nice Oldsmobiles. I see that he has an
86 > Hurst Aero. I have never heard of one. I know about the MC SS Aero and
the > Pontiac 2+2, but an HO Aero too? Please fill me in. I assume it was not >
factory but an add on kit? > > > > > >
============================================================================= >
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan.. >
K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver) >         65 El Camino..327/300,
black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car) >         95 Plymouth Neon
sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car) >         95 Dodge Ram 2500hd
4x4..v-10..(company truck) >
============================================================================= >
 >

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From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:10:17 -0300
Subject: Re: new member

Looks like Mike and Barb have some nice and rare oldsmobiles.

In response to hanthorn's questions on pace cars. Marty olds
had pace cars in quite a few more years than just 1972. They also
had the pace cars for 1949,1970,1972,1974,1977,1985, and 1988. As for
the L-69 tri carb setup there were 2129 total built in 1966 not
including the 54 W-30 L-69 tri carb setups from the factory. There were
more W-30 L-69 tricarb setups than just the 54 from the factory they
were a dealer installation how many from dealers out there? I do not
know. The 2129 L-69 setups are as follows:

F-85 Club coupe                     157
F-85 deluxe hardtop coupe           178
Cutlass coupe                       383
Cutlass hardtop coupe              1,171
Cutlass convertible                 240

Total                              2,129

Thanks,

Tom
70 W-31

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:24:56 -0300
Subject: Re:  TH 350 or TH400 ??

OL>Recognizing this may start an argument I am interested in whether there
OL>is a consensus on using a TH350 or TH400 behind a mild to medium modified
OL>455?  I am going to buy a B&M trans and would like to get the "right"
OL>one. I know the TH350 weighs less, saps fewer horses, etc but will it
OL>hold up behind 425-450 horses using a 2400-2800 converter.  Thanks for
OL>your thoughts.  I have seen both recommended here and in the FAQ.

OL>Al

For expense reasons I would just stick with what the car is already set
up for. How heavy is the car? This can also make a difference in how
long the tranny will last. I checked out B&M web site it didn't say who
much power these tranny's are rated for. TCI and Turbo Action also sell
complete trannys and there cheaper. TCI ad says there tranny will handle
450 hp without supercharging. You might want to contact these companys
to get the specifications on the tranny's and any warranty's they might
have which more than likely will be voided if you do any racing.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

www.bmracing.com/catalog/racing/pages/trans3.html

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:25:03 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

At 05:49 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>> I concure with Mark Prince (aka. W MACHINES). The manifold that should be
on >> a 70 or 71 SX should be a 404521 (cast iron) intake with NO EGR valve. >
>This manifold does not have EGR on it? >Is is different because it is on a
California Car????

No Olds (or GM) cars came with EGR until 1973. If yours has provisions for
an EGR valve, then it ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY is not the stock intake for an
SX; more likely, it would be a 1974 intake to match your 1974 carb.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:25:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Valves

At 08:53 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Perhaps he was thinking about stainless-steel valves? I've heard that
>valve-seat recession is less severe (not necessarily eliminated) with
>stainless valves, compared to regular steel valves.
>
>          Now you've piqued my interest.  I was not aware of this
>          feature of stainless valves.  What is it about the stainless
>          that reduces the valve seat recession?

Like I said, my theology training leaves me a little thin on metallurgy, but
a complete lack of knowledge about something has never deterred me from
offering an uneducated guess... ;)

This is something that I think I recalled reading in some article somewhere
in some magazine that was dealing with the loss of leaded fuels for older
motors.

One possible reason might be the dissimilarity between the iron heads and
the ss valves (ok, standard valves are not cast iron, but perhaps they're
more similar to the iron than the SS valves would be), which causes it to
wear less.

Another reason might be that SS valves are a bit more "flexible" (relatively
speaking, of course), and absorb some of the shock of closing that the seat
would otherwise absorb.

Then again, the SS valves might be softer than the head, so any wear would
be predominantly on the valve, not the head.

Finally, this whole idea might just be the result of my wishful thinking,
and a justification for buying SS valves.

Valve-seat recession is probably not something that a moderately-driven car
without hardened seats would face. I'm not putting hardened seats into my
455 when it goes together, since it will take me years before I hit 60,000
or so when valve-seat recession might even possibly come into play.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:37:11 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

At 11:56 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>A. LACHATRE wrote:
>>
>> P.S.: this list should be about oldsmobile and oldsmobile only because
>> it goes a lot to far...
>
>He says after the history lesson which included Germany, WW2, nuclear
>bombs, Viet Nam, Napoleon and the Louisiana purchase.
>
>Go figure.
>
>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>
Mike,

It's kind of interesting to see the history of the last 200 years from
another perspective.  He makes it sound like we put a gun to Nappys head and
made him sell us Louisiana.  And why did he say sell it back to us?  They
didn't sell it back, as we never had it.  The Spanish and French traded it
back and forth from time to time, we were late in that game; but then, after
it came here, it did stay put.  And I live in a small part of the purchase
so I approve of it.  My English is better than my French too, always one to
make life easier.

I guess he's right it often does go a bit too far.

I'm formulating something of an answer to that post, I hope he dons asbestos.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:37:05 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

At 08:24 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>According to many of you, it seems that everything coming from France is
>worth s...
>except a few.
>It's maybe because i'm french, but i don't understand why better warriors
>would make better tires. Could anybody explain me?
>i don't remember the germans winning any war against us, though we were
>helped by others (thank you), but so they were...

I'm sorry to say that either history as I studied it, or your actual facts
are wrong, because your Emperior, at the time; one of the Napoleons I think,
tried to send the French Army to Germany in 1870 and they sort of waxed your
clock, so to speak.  Have you forgotten about the siege of Paris.  Le Boche
had the town completely surrounded.

>It's been over 50 years since you came and help ending this WW2 and we
>still hear about it. You're proud of it. maybe not all of it though...

Hear about it, you should continue to hear about it, until the last survivor
of D-Day has expired.  There wasn't much of a French presence at the landing
that day, at least not in the boats.  General LeClerc(sp) WAS there with his
regiment, but there were as many Polish fighing with the Allies.  The men
that were dying on D-day were from American and the British commonwealth.
What we were doing there might be hard to actually discern, maybe American
Imperialism, but what the Brits were doing there is a complete mystery.
Especially when one factors in how they were completely betrayed by the
French in 1940.  You do not seem to be aware that for 6 weeks AFTER Dunkirk
(English spelling) there was still a substantial BEF (British Expeditionary
Force) presence in France, and when the Paris Government decided to
capitulate to the Germans, they DID NOT inform the British, the next day
they just didn't show up for the war, and left the British to deal with the
Germans by themselves.  So why the Brits still landed on D-Day inspite of
such betrayal, is an even greater mystery.

>(i
>don't think there is anything about nuclear bomb to be proud of. You should
>have killed the guy...)

Proud of the atomic bomb, your god dammed right I am.  As far as the atomic
bomb is concerned, it stopped WWII in its tracks.  An invasion was not
needed (maybe it's to bad the bomb took so long to develope as it might have
stopped that part of the war too) which would have accunted for over
1,000,000 casualities (estimated).  Of course those would have been American
and Japanese casualities, nary a Frenchman to be seen.

Also, every day you live; you should bow down to pay to the people that
developed it.  One aspect that no one ever thinks about when they fail to
pay it its proper respect is that every time the Russian's worked on their
'War Plans,' be it against the U.S. or Western Europe they always had to
think, those damned Americans have the bomb, they can use it with great
accuracy, and they HAVE used it in the past, so there is little DOUBT that
they would use it again.

If it had been developed and not used, those same Russians would say, they
had it and didn't use it, so they will not use it now, and who knows what
evils would have lurked behind that sort of thinking.

Also two French personages Jolliot (sp) and Curie were doing valuable atomic
research in the earliest days of what would develop into the atomic bomb.
But then I suppose they did continue their atomic research, but for the,
well the Germans...

>You're more quiet about vietnam. How many vietnamese butts did you kick
>over there?

Vietnam?  I saw a bumper sticker this very day that said, "Vietnam, we were
winning when I left."  How about Dienbienphu?  Of course most of the soldats
involved were not French were they.  Blame it on the foreigners.  And then
there was that little fiasco in Mexico, oops, you can blame that on the
foreigners too, can't you.

>does it mean your tires are worth s...?
>Sorry i still don't get it...
>About napoleon then. you're he didn't do only great things. one of them
>being selling back to you Louisiana for almost nothing, but he was not
>exactly french (people from corsica would like to be independent...)

Why did he sell it if it was at such a bargain price?  AS I recall it was
$7.2 million 1803 dollars, and a dollar went a lot farther then!  Hell, he
could have held out for $7.3 million easy.

>Michelin: i would think they should have an easy life in the states because
>they were designed primarily for use in europe where roads are far more
>demanding: better driving skills needed and also better equipment: it's
>easier to drive in the states on 4 lane highways with a bend every 10 miles
>than in france on secondary roads, where you have to put your car on the
>side every time you've got somebody coming the opposite direction...
>i'm not a tire expert anyway. still i think i read in a car magazine not
>long time ago that michelin was world number 1 for tires. but it was
>probably in a french magazine...

Jealous too.  Don't they make concrete in France?  Well, they make it here
import some; and you too can have 4 lane highways with a turn every ten
miles.  You can use the money that was left over from the purchase of
Louisiana.  But then maybe we should deduct the cost of D-day first.

>take one of your top of the list cars to france on narrow and "snaky"
>roads. i'd be curious to see how far you're gonna drive... though i'm not
>trying to say a 442 is worth than a small peugeot 205 gti with a 1.9 liter
>engine in it, 160 hp and only 900 kg!. it's just not designed for the same
>use.

This is curious.  American cars were designed to be driven on a road with
one of more people occuping the interior, under its own power.  Just what
was the Peugeot designed for?  To be pulled by mules with a load of
haufenmist.  (A little German for comic relief).

Is this Peugeot a step up or a step down from a 2CV?  I heard that you'se
guys were trying to have the 2CV declared the 'world car!'  Hell, I'd take
two, their small.  One of my favorite cars in the world is a Renault
Dauphane(sp), and then there is the 'Le Car' too.  Wow, what a series of
rides.  You've got nothing to be jealous about, oh; that was 4 lane highways
wasn't it.  Not the cars than run on them.

The U.S. Military Road system was designed to provide a satisfactory road
system in the U.S. in case of another war.  It was DESIGNED so that TRUCKS
carring military goods could pass unobstructed anywhere.  If you have a road
designed for a 102" wide, by 80' long truck; it is not hard to also design
automobiles to make creditable use of such roads too.

>something again, i was always told that RWD and wet roads were not the best
>friends, no matter how good the tires. it's getting worse with higher HP

Interestingly, if you have RWD and a rear weight bias, a car on a
satisfactory suspension, and good tires will usually outperform a FWD car,
also satisfactorally 'set up.'

What's getting worse with higher HP?

If you read this list very often you will discover that the LACK of higher
HP (as well as how to get it) is often discussed; not the opposite.

>Sorry to be a bit tough on you this morning, i think i'm in a bad mood.
>Though it always pisses me off when you think the World NEEDS americans!

Tough, sonny; you're really not tough enough to play.  First of all get your
facts correct; second get an asbestos suit; and third personally I PREFER
Michelin tyres.  Mr. Bibendum not withstanding.

And as far as the world needing Americans is concerned.  If there was a
large earthquake and the U.S. was engulfed in the cavern; or if there was a
large earthquake and France was lost in the cavern: which would cause the
greatest strain on the world that was left?   You and much of the rest of
the world may not like us, and personally I prefer it that way; but
something you have not yet discovered; you CANNOT do without us; Le Boche
not withstanding.  And, come to think of it, now THEY might come back again.
France should have been sending large donations to Russia just to keep
Germany separated into two.  Maybe next time the U.S. will side with the
Germans, and then where will YOU be.

Are you aware that the least corrupted 'old French' language is found in the
U.S.  French linguists come here to study the language.  What you have there
is interestingly called 'Franglaise' and I wonder why.  I get it, the King
of England is dictating language policy for you.

>
>Olds question:
>i still own my 1973 delta 88 convertible anyway, and i'm not ready to sell
>it!!
>And i still need your help (it's not because we have different points of
>view on history that we should be enemies...)
>Are old rubber hose different from new ones?
>i'm not at home at the moment and my girlfriend uses my car (yes i know...)
>i had a dramatic fax last night about water flowing under the car.
>after inquiry it looks like the bottom hose from the radiator broke.
>Could it be because of antifreeze i put in the radiator before i left (i
>thought it would be better than tap water) or is it just its age? i had
>planned to change it but didn't have time to do it...
>If antifreeze has to do with it will it also damage the water pump?
>
>Thank you
>
>A. LACHATRE
>
>P.S.: this list should be about oldsmobile and oldsmobile only because it
>goes a lot to far...
>

If this list goes too far, might it be because of postings like yours?

As far you your water leak is concerned, hoses have a fairly short useful
life, something under 5 years.  You should change them at least this often.
Or get a girlfriend with her own set of wrenches.

The Wix Waxes
(And loves it)

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:41:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )

>>I bought a Delco oil pressure sending unit
>>from Year One but it won't fit in the same location since the OD of the
>>body is too large.  It comes in contact with the block.  I think they
>>sent me the right sending unit.....is this the right location or does it
>>mount elsewhere.  I can't find any information in the Service Manual.
>>HELP!!!!!  Wayne Schwartz

>You need the oil sender adapter to go with it.  It's basically a 45 degree
>elbow that screws into the block.  The sending unit then screws into the
>elbow.  Year one lists a new GM adapter for $19.35 in their `93 catalog.
>You could go to the hardware store and piece together an adapter out of
>brass fittings if you're not concerned with originality.  It won't look as
>pretty but it will serve the purpose and be cheaper.

I went thru a similar situation when I installed an Autometer oil pressure
sender in my 455 block.  The final solution was at Ace Hardware.  They carry
a small selection of brass fittings and they had a 45 degree elbow that
works like a charm.  Only a couple of bucks too.

I also used teflon tape wrapped 1 1/2 times around the threads (as suggested
on this list) and have had no leaks so far.

I just added the water temp. sender yesterday and now have a fully functional
2 gauge setup.  I have my doubts about Autometers sender actually being in
the water flow after you screw it into the larger threaded adapter, but it
does give normal looking temp readings...

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: sammy williams <bd5av8r@whidbey.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:42:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Clearance Sale ª2 (4/30)

Thomas G. Stoner wrote:
>=20
> -- Clearance Sale ª2 --
>=20
> I have reduced the price on the following Oldsmobile related items whic=
h
> were previously advertised but which did not sell:
>=20
> 1969 Hurst/Olds 1/25th scale plastic model kit.  AMT ª6898.  Factory
> sealed box.  Originally advertised at $30.00.  Now $18.00, including
> shipping to any address in North America.
>=20
> 1987 Delta 88 Winston Cup race car 1/24th scale plastic model kit.
> Monogram ª2754 - Hardee=B9s Oldsmobile.  Box opened, but contents still=
 in
> factory sealed bag and complete.  Originally advertised at $25.00 plus
> shipping.  Now $18.00, including shipping to any address in North
> America.
>=20
> 1987 Delta 88 Winston Cup race car 1/24th scale plastic model kit.
> Monogram ª2779 - Wynn=B9s/K-Mart Oldsmobile.  Factory sealed box.
> Originally advertised at $25.00.  Now $18.00, including shipping to any
> address in North America.
>=20
> (4/30/97)
>=20
> Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
> any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
> any of them.  Thank you.
>=20
>           =3D=3D=3D
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | =3D Tom Stoner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
> |        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
> |        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
> |        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
> |         =3D=3D=3D    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
> +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D+
i want the 69 hurst olds cutlass. im new to this list and can't find one
locally thanks. where do we send money to get it? thanks s.williams

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:38:00 -0300
Subject: Re:Valves

I bought a set of Mondello's 1.71" exh. valves about five years ago.
VERY nice pieces.  They are pretty beefy, have dished heads for weight
reduction and undercut stems for better flow.  Mondello advises against
running hardened seats with 1.71 exh. valves and 2.07 intakes because
the hardened exh. seat insert slightly overlaps with the intake seat.  I
had already done this very thing, and after 30K miles have had no
problems.

FWIW, I bought these valves, but not new valve springs.  A 6000 rpm
blast floated three exhaust valves, bent them, and dinged the tops of my
TRW forged pistons.  I subsequently bought new dual springs from
Mondello, 3 replacement valves, and deburred the surface of the pisons.
No problems since.  I recommend new springs with the valves.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 10:57:46 -0300
Subject: '68 Cutlass 350

OL>My son and I recently acquired a 1968 Cutlass Supreme, 2dr Hardtop. We
OL> added originally Rally wheels, 2.5" dual exhaust, new coil springs,
OL> front and rear sway bars and rebuilt the front end. In addition we
OL> installed a 700r4 tranny with a shift kit to replace the 2 speed auto.
OL> This is a first time project for both of us and we would appreciate
OL> any assistance in the following areas:

OL>Engine: 350 4bbl. 10.25:1
OL>We would like to increase performance with "Bolt on" parts. Has anyone
OL> had any experience with Edelbrock intake manifolds, carbs and cams?
OL> Their marketing makes it sound like  a safe way to go, but when I
OL> called their tech line, they couldn't tell me how their cams compared
OL> to my original. They indicated that the specs on my original were not
OL> available to them. What about Mondello? We would like to add as much
OL> street power as possible without a car rocking idle.

OL>Body:
OL>We have been unable to locate any kind of "Patch Panels" for the area
OL> around the rear wheel openings. Any ideas?

OL>Thanks

OL>Ray and Brent Bohn

I wish I had a cool old man like Brent (son?) does. My mom bought a new
'74 Cutlass, step dad had a '70 camaro. He traded them in for a used
volvo then bought her a toyota. Bonehead!

Last time I was at the strip there was a guy who had a '69 Cutlass. It
had a Lunati Bracket Master cam (same as Performer RPM $30 cheaper)
Performer RPM intake, 750 Holley on a other wise stock rebuild. I think
he said he was running about 2200-2500 stall and 3.73 gears. He was
running 13.6s in the quarter mile and no not on stock bias ply tires so
the rest of you settle down.

Try www.rconcepts.com/dragplus/   The only difference between the demo
and full version is how many cars you can save. It doesn't like stock
parts, but from my experience is pretty accurate.

Good Luck!

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com not for long!

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:46:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass

At 03:28 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
[snip of HTML formatting, that Eudora doesn't bother with converting...]
>So the big move is in the cam?

Yes, after you have a 4-bbl on it.

>I drive this car maybe 4500 miles a year. Mostly around town. I want as
>much low power as I can get and still have a reasonably :-) smooth idle.
>Any Suggestions? Also, I've read of valve-train problems developing if
>the cam is all you do. Any truth there?</FONT>

Not necessarily. If you run a cam with a reduced base-circle, you need to
compensate with longer pushrods (longer by the amount the radius of the
base-circle is decreased; since most cams are advertised in terms of the
amount the diameter of the base-cirle is decreased (i.e. a -.100"
base-circle cam, which is common), you need a pushrod longer by one-half
that amount (thus you'd need +.050" pusrods for that cam)

>When I take off the 2 bll carb.
>on the car now, if I go to the Edelbrock manifold (3711) it says there
>is'nt an Edelbrock carb. for that manifold. The question here is the Holley
>(ª0-9834) or the OEM 4bll. setup?

You could use a Holley, but a well-set-up Quadrajet would work better for
all-around driving. Perhaps begin with one jetted for a 1968 W-31 car as a
starting point.

>One last question. What is
>a good brand HEI system.

The stock GM HEI is the one you'd want (from any '74-'79 Olds V-8, aside
from the FI Seville motors or '78-'79 Toronados, which had rudimentary
computer-controls). The description of the procedure is in the FAQ, I believe.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:47:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Ol' Toro now runs!

At 01:42 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>So I get the pump changed, and splice in some new fuel line to replace the
>open cracks (which would let the fuel drain back to the tank, making a total
>b**ch to start!) and got everything put together.  Went to start it.
>Nothing.  S**t!  Look at the carb.  Empty.  Look at the intake.  Full.
>S**T!  The Q-jet already has the foam deal under the main well plugs.  ~And~
>it worked flawlessly on the Rocket.  Insert even more profanities between
>the lines, here!  So, I propped the carb open, and put the heater back on
>the intake runners, and then went to work.  I'll pla--  Fight with it more
>tomorrow.  It's ~legal~ now, though.  I have the window sticker to prove
it!  :)

Good! Once you get the well-plugs plugged up, you'll be in Toro heaven (it's
like automotive hell, but you've deluded yourself into thinking that you
*enjoy* spending time under a greasy, 30-year old, 8mpg car! Just don't try
explaining this to others...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:47:00 -0300
Subject: Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su

At 12:54 AM 4/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This car sat for eigth months before I began work on it in january and this
>is the work that has been done thus far.  It was running from january till
>the end of february.  There was a freeze the night before it died and it ran
>the best it had run in two years the day before.
>
>It stopped running for good after it started up ,shook badly misfired a
>couple times and DIED!

Perhaps a bad tank of gas? I'd had to think it, but did you have enough
antifreeze in the radiator? Check to see if there's any water in the oil, or
oil in the water. It's be bad to have cracked the block or heads in that
freeze. Maybe the lines iced up; you've tried it since then, right? Maybe
water in the gas lines froze and bent/broke something in the fuel system
(odd, but possible). Or you might have crud in the carb; if it hasn't been
rebuilt, start there. Also check the fuel-pump; freezing water in the fuel
could have ruptured the diaphram in there.

DaWolf77@aol.com
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:02:22 -0300
Subject: RE: new member

OL>> Wow. Mike and his wife sure own some nice Oldsmobiles. I see that he has
a OL>> Hurst Aero. I have never heard of one. I know about the MC SS Aero and
the OL>> Pontiac 2+2, but an HO Aero too? Please fill me in. I assume it was
not OL>> factory but an add on kit?

========================================================================
==
OL>> FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red
sedan. OL>>         K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver) OL>>         65 El
Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show OL>>         95
Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car) OL>>         95 Dodge Ram
2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck) OL>>
==========================================================================

If I remember right GM Goodwrench still has the parts on their web site.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com not for long!

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:09:50 -0300
Subject: Console shifter

Hi Folks. Has anyone ever replaced the shifter handle with the push
button in the left side of the handle, not the whole stick just the
top part. I have a '87 Salon and the top part is getting loose, I
wanted to try and get the part before someone tells me that they
stop making them, the interior of the car is dark red or burgundy.

If anyone has any part numbers from GM or any experiance in
replacing this part please respond..


Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:13:20 -0300
Subject: 'yardin'

Well, while I was "off" for the day yesterday, I made use of it by
checking out the new additions at the local el-cheapo, slightly below pick
'n pull junk (or salvage if you prefer) yard.

They have a '67 or '68 Cutlass S, no rear end or wheels on front end,
basically sitting on frame.  Body panels seem OK, good hood, good fenders
(? I'm not positive as the car is sitting on them, the bottoms mayb be
bowed in a bit), good trunk lid.  The hood has the little Cutlass "S"
louvers running down it.  All glass seems to be good and there is some
chrome trim left.  Forgot to look at bumpers. Doors and mirrors appear
good.  Original 350 4bbl. still in car, has 7a heads, but the valve
covers
were off, and they looked a little worse for the wear.  No rear end.  I
don't know how much parts would have cost off of this, but if it could be
got out of there (no wheels or rear end and it is blocked by several other
rows of cars) they would probably only want like $150 for the whole
thing.

1980's Cutlass Cruisers (Bruisers ?!:-)  ).  There were several, all of
them seemed to be in pretty good shape for junkyard cars.  Bodies looked
good on all of them, but as the windows had been left open for a while,
any interior parts that had been good probably wouldn't be that good
anymore without being refinished... there might have been one that had
pretty good interior.  Knowing a bit about their prices, I'd bet that any
of these could be bought whole cars for $200 or less.  He had several
G-bodies, but they were pretty well picked clean and all had bashed in
fenders 1/4's and hoods (those that weren't damadged by the wreck they
were in were damadged when they were "dropped" into place in the 'yard.
Found one Cutlass though, that had a _perfect_ Olds-crest hood ornament
that I'll be going back for for Lucille.  There were some blue interior
Cutlass parts that were good.

There were three or four 4-door Cutlasses there.  All of them seemed to be
very reasonable indeed for parts cars.  One of them supposedly ran good,
the owner just didn't like 4-doors and bought himself a *new* car.  Lots
of body parts and/or interior parts to be found.  Oh, these are 80's
4-doors.  Most all of them still have their original engines-- an engine
at this yard normally goes for $100 whether it's a flat head ford, an olds
diesel 350, or what-have-you.  Normally if its something easily
reckognizeable such as a 454 Chevy or a 429 Ford, then they want more for
it.  If its a BOP motor or anything else, they want $100 for it.  He's got
2 455's there that I'm sure one could buy for that... both of them "J"
head.  There's also a Buick 455 that is in really good shape there.  One
of the 4-door Cutlasses had a 350 diesel in it that was in pretty good
shape, I'm thinking about maybe keeping that one in mind as a future
high-comp built gas motor project.

That's all he had in the Olds category...  Here's some others.

195?  I think its a 1952 or so, Dodge.  Needs all interior except dash.
Body is in excellent shape and all there.  Interior's there, just all to
heck.  Original I-6 still in car, but looks worse for the wear.  I'm
guessing that he'd probably take $200 to $300 for this'n.  Oh yeah, it's a
4 door.  Definitely restoreable, but it'd be quite a project.

1954 Dodge-- pretty well picked over parts car, lots of good (but rusty)
body parts tho.  Good dash as well.

195? Renault Dauphine, it all seems to be there except the back seat which
would be the only drawback.  The body is strong and the motor looks
good.  I'd bet this could be bought for $150 or so.  If I don't end up
being
able to get that 70's Olds hearse, then I may think seriously about this
just to have something "odd" ;-)

Early 80's Buick Riviera (HEY TORO OWNERS) That has only barely been
picked over.  All interior parts are there as is the Motor and Tranny and
brakes.

He had a '64 Jeep Waggoneer, which was the first year for that model and
was a 2 year only body style.  Easily restoreable, but I've heard that
the motor's used in the 64's and 65's (Kaiser motors) were notoriously
lousy.  Could probably be bought for $250 or so... 4WD.

1936 Ford pickup... definitely parts only.  Not much left but frame, rear
end, bottom end of original motor, and some good sheet metal.  Oh and what
was left of a front bumper.

1940's Dodge pickup.  Somebody tried to street rod this'n a while back,
but it looks pretty restoreable.  Sheet metal all looks solid.  Currently
has a V8 of some sort under the hood.

Late 70's Chrysler Newport.  Perfect body and gold paint (except for the
d-side fender they crushed when they "parked" it in the yard.  No wheels
but its sitting on blocks and engine has been picked over.  Interior was
very good until they let the rain in on the leather.  He said $200 for
this'n back when the motor was still all there and the interior was good
so I'm guessing $150 or less now.

Anyway, that's probably enough for now so I'll finish it up.  If anybody
is interested in anything, you can contact me and I'll give you directions
or see if I can get you something.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:19:47 -0300
Subject: '70 98 conv.

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:56:30 -0300
Subject: '70 98 conv.

I called about an ad in the paper today about a '70 98 conv. It's got
power everything (seats don't work). He said the top will go down butt
needs help going. He thinks it's low on fluid. I would think if it was
low on fluid it would have a hard time going down, because doesn't it
lift up a little before it goes down? Pump or something else? The floor
and trunk are solid and only has body rust around rear wheel wells he
says.No motor but I have a complete 425 in the garage so thats no
problem. Vinyl interior no rips but has water damage from leaking top
(floors solid?). Wants $600 but will come down. What do y'all think?
Wife said she doesn't want it if it's a big car. I told her it's only a
little bigger than the Dynamic.

Yeehaa!  But, It's a very, very, big car.  Check for rust
on the bottom of the doors, and around the front bumper
struts.  If you don't want it, let me know.  Where are you?

-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\ (810)
825-5129    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/ Sterling Hts.,
MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:27:46 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

OL>>A. LACHATRE
OL>>
OL>>P.S.: this list should be about oldsmobile and oldsmobile only because it
OL>>goes a lot to far...

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OL>If this list goes too far, might it be because of postings like yours?

Read your own posting!

OL>The Wix Waxes
OL>(And loves it)

You can come and wax my floors anytime!

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com not for long!

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From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:27:24 -0300
Subject: Spring height

At 11:38 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I bought a set of Mondello's 1.71" exh. valves about five years ago.
>VERY nice pieces.  They are pretty beefy, have dished heads for weight
>reduction and undercut stems for better flow.  Mondello advises against
>running hardened seats with 1.71 exh. valves and 2.07 intakes because
>the hardened exh. seat insert slightly overlaps with the intake seat.  I
>had already done this very thing, and after 30K miles have had no
>problems.
>
>FWIW, I bought these valves, but not new valve springs.  A 6000 rpm
>blast floated three exhaust valves, bent them, and dinged the tops of my
>TRW forged pistons.  I subsequently bought new dual springs from
>Mondello, 3 replacement valves, and deburred the surface of the pisons.
>No problems since.  I recommend new springs with the valves.
>Scott Mullen
>'70 442
>
>

  Scott,

   What springs did you put on from Mondello?  Do you have shallow spring
heads and if so, did you need to have them machined? Also, what kind of cam
are you running?

  Thanks.

  Paul Brillhart

------------------------------

From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 12:36:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Console shifter

Peter L. House wrote:
>
> Hi Folks. Has anyone ever replaced the shifter handle with the push
> button in the left side of the handle, not the whole stick just the
> top part. I have a '87 Salon and the top part is getting loose, I
> wanted to try and get the part before someone tells me that they
> stop making them, the interior of the car is dark red or burgundy.
>
> If anyone has any part numbers from GM or any experiance in
> replacing this part please respond..
>
> Peter L. House
> '87 Salon
> phouse@feith.com
- ------------------
The "T" handle top gets removed by pulling out the U shaped clip out of
the slot around the back. Presently available from GM, part number
ª22525555 list priced @ $ 19.27ea. It does not come with the button or
chrome trim rings on each side, that stuff pulls off and you re-use
them. The computer refers to the color as "claret". After you get it
off, sometimes you can glue the broken plastic back where the stick goes
in !

good luck !
- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

     Visit http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 4/14/97)

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:50:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Console shifter

Yes, if anybody knows the part number for that shifter, please tell us!
Also, I've got another question.  Is it possible to replace just the
plastic piece inside the staff portion of the shifter (the piece that is
pushed down when you press the button on the handle to allow you to shift
the gears.  If so, does anybody know the part number for what I just
described.  If not, what is the part number for the whole shifter staff
(the chrome part).

Peter, as far as removing the handle, it is really quite easy.  First, you
will notice that there is a little two prong pin in the right side of the
base of the shifter handle.  You need to pull this out (it shouldn't be
int TOO tight, a thin-blade straight screwdriver should probably do the
trick.  Now you should be able to gently pull the shifter handle off of
the staff (you might have to wiggle it a bit while using upward pressure.
Be careful as the shifter handle you already have will probably make a
good spare and the plastic that holds it on may be quite brittle.  If for
some reason you want to take the handle further apart, you can remove the
chrome beauty rings on it by prying them (carefully) off and then you
should be able to acces the handle's "innards".

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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On Wed, 30 Apr 1997, Peter L. House wrote:

> Hi Folks. Has anyone ever replaced the shifter handle with the push
> button in the left side of the handle, not the whole stick just the
> top part. I have a '87 Salon and the top part is getting loose, I
> wanted to try and get the part before someone tells me that they
> stop making them, the interior of the car is dark red or burgundy.
>
> If anyone has any part numbers from GM or any experiance in
> replacing this part please respond..
>
>
> Peter L. House
> '87 Salon
> phouse@feith.com
>
>

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 15:45:07 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

> The Wix Waxes
> (And loves it)

Me too!  ...oops  :o

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:29:29 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

>If this list goes too far, might it be because of postings like yours?

He's not the only guilty one, Chris.  I thought this list was for
Oldsmobiles!  What the hell is all this crap about who kicked who's ass?  I
don't give a shit about that, and I doubt anyone else on the list does,
either.  Everyone has a right to their own oppinion... but for hell's sake,
if it's not about Oldsmobiles, don't make the rest of us suffer with it.

my 2 cents

- -BS

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:28:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Console shifter

At 12:09 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi Folks. Has anyone ever replaced the shifter handle with the push
>button in the left side of the handle, not the whole stick just the
>top part. I have a '87 Salon and the top part is getting loose, I
>wanted to try and get the part before someone tells me that they
>stop making them, the interior of the car is dark red or burgundy.
>
>If anyone has any part numbers from GM or any experiance in
>replacing this part please respond..
>
>
>Peter L. House
>'87 Salon
>phouse@feith.com
>
>Peter, I replaced the handle in my '87 Cutlass Supreme and it went pretty
smoothly. The only things I ran into was that I had to cut off some trim
pieces from the old one and glue them to the new one. The funny thing was,
it didn't fit like the old one. That little U clip wouldn't go back in but
it didn't matter because the handle fit pretty tight. All I can say is take
your time and you'll be pleased.
     Sorry I don't have the part number for this.
Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:40:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442

     Yes that's the right sending unit and the right location.  You need to
     make a trip to the hardware store and pick up some small brass
     plumbing bits.  A simple extention will work (use a 45 or 90 degree
     elbow on the end if you want), or use an extention with a 'T' fitting
     on the end if you want to also hook up your idiot light still.  Don't
     worrry, the gauge will work just fine.  I think they come stock with a
     short extention and the 45 degree elbow, and I used the T setup on my
     '79 for a few years with no problems whatsoever.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442 Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/30/97 9:11 AM


I'm finally getting around to installing my factory ralley pac but I
need advice concerning the oil pressure gage.  The car had an underdash
instrument package installed when I bought it.  The clear plastic line
to the oil pressure gage was attached to a compression fitting between
the waterpump and the block.  I bought a Delco oil pressure sending unit
from Year One but it won't fit in the same location since the OD of the
body is too large.  It comes in contact with the block.  I think they
sent me the right sending unit.....is this the right location or does it
mount elsewhere.  I can't find any information in the Service Manual.
HELP!!!!!  Wayne Schwartz


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:36:09 -0300
Subject: Tires purchased, and thread drift. . .

     Man, I can't believe the tire recommendation thread went from tires to
     the French Revolution to the Roman Empire.  That has to set some sort
     of record for the "thread drift" phenomenon :-)

     Anyways, thanks for the tire recommendations everyone.  I chose to go
     with the BF Goodrich radial T/A's since they were fairly cheap, widely
     available, and have been around for a while (meaning I can probably
     get a replacement if one is destroyed).  They don't make any of the
     BFG Comp T/A tires in the size I wanted (pity, they looked like a nice
     tire too).  They seem to handle great, although they ride a bit rough.
      I'm not sure if this is the tire, or due to the fact that the tire
     store recommends 35psi (which is max pressure) all around.  They did
     give me one pointer that I thought I might share.  If I don't believe
     them that 35psi is best for tire wear, then make a couple of chalk
     marks across the tire tread and drive around a bit.  If it's worn in
     the center, decrease about 2-3psi and try again.  If worn on the
     edges, increase pressure.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


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From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:51:56 -0300
Subject: Tires

Hi All,
   I have been reading some e-mail on tires latley and just have
a question of my own. I am in need of replacing the tires on my 70
olds and was wondering if anybody has ever used Bridgestones. If you
have or have not please respond on if you liked them or not?

Thanks,
Tom Williams
70-W31
OCAª28886

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 13:54:22 -0300
Subject: Olds Q Here Too!! (Re: warriors better tire makers ???)

> >If this list goes too far, might it be because of postings like yours?
>
> He's not the only guilty one, Chris.  I thought this list was for
> Oldsmobiles!  What the hell is all this crap about who kicked who's ass?  I
> don't give a shit about that, and I doubt anyone else on the list does,
> either.  Everyone has a right to their own oppinion... but for hell's sake,
> if it's not about Oldsmobiles, don't make the rest of us suffer with it.
>
> my 2 cents
>
> -BS

Here, here!  The discussion, though entertaining, ought to be moved to a more
on-topic forum.  Perhaps the Renault, Citroen or Peugeot lists, f'r instance;
or maybe the fr.fan.jerry-lewis newsgroup? :)

OLDS CONTENT:  Big Red needs a pair of new radiator hoses (didn't our Gallic
author of this thread mention something similar?).  The local parts place
has a number for the top hose -- discontinued and not in stock, of course --
and a flex hose for the bottom piece.  Is there a source for *molded*
OEM-type hoses?



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:01:47 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

At 11:27 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>OL>>A. LACHATRE
>OL>>
>OL>>P.S.: this list should be about oldsmobile and oldsmobile only because it
>OL>>goes a lot to far...
>
>YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>OL>If this list goes too far, might it be because of postings like yours?
>
>Read your own posting!
>
>OL>The Wix Waxes
>OL>(And loves it)
>
>You can come and wax my floors anytime!
>
>Daren
>
>O.C.A. ª23571
>daren@qconline.com not for long!
>
>
>

I don't wax floors, but I do wax Frogs.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:08:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Tires

At 01:51 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>   I have been reading some e-mail on tires latley and just have
>a question of my own. I am in need of replacing the tires on my 70
>olds and was wondering if anybody has ever used Bridgestones. If you
>have or have not please respond on if you liked them or not?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom Williams
>70-W31
>OCAª28886
>
>
Yea I bought 12 of them one day.  4 when on my van, 4 went on my dad's Delta
and 4 went on my brothers La Sabre (another sword).  Within 3 months 11 had
failed.  If they don't give YOU at least $100. ea when they sell you a
Bridgestone it's price is way to high.  Espcially when two of them
disintigrate in the middle of Nebraska, and ...  get the picture, and I
heartly recommend Michelins.  AS a matter of fact when the Bridgestones were
blowing up, my tire guy eventually replaced them all with Michelins.  At no
cost either.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 14:13:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Q Here Too!! (Re: warriors better tire makers ???)

At 01:54 PM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> >If this list goes too far, might it be because of postings like yours?
>>
>> He's not the only guilty one, Chris.  I thought this list was for
>> Oldsmobiles!  What the hell is all this crap about who kicked who's ass?  I
>> don't give a shit about that, and I doubt anyone else on the list does,
>> either.  Everyone has a right to their own oppinion... but for hell's sake,
>> if it's not about Oldsmobiles, don't make the rest of us suffer with it.
>>
>> my 2 cents
>>
>> -BS
>
>Here, here!  The discussion, though entertaining, ought to be moved to a more
>on-topic forum.  Perhaps the Renault, Citroen or Peugeot lists, f'r instance;
>or maybe the fr.fan.jerry-lewis newsgroup? :)
>
>OLDS CONTENT:  Big Red needs a pair of new radiator hoses (didn't our Gallic
>author of this thread mention something similar?).  The local parts place
>has a number for the top hose -- discontinued and not in stock, of course --
>and a flex hose for the bottom piece.  Is there a source for *molded*
>OEM-type hoses?
>
>
>
>Tim Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>
For molded radiator hoses it is sometime possible to take the old hose to a
store with a large number in stock and compare.  There is often one with all
the same bends, and sizes on the ends, but with the ends a bit longer or
shorter.  I've found a good replacment several times, and all I had to do
was cut off a bit of extra hose where it entered the rediator nipple.

The Wiz

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