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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 23 April 1997      Volume 01 : Number 627

Re: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)
Exhaust Tips
68 wheel color???
Re: '87 Salon Options
Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]
Re: 67 Toro Questions
Re: 68 wheel color???
Looking for Owners manuals
Looking for a Clock Knob for '53
Looking for '53 upholstery
Re: 68 wheel color???
1987 Cutlass Speakers
Re: Leaded gas question
Re: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)
Re: Winter...is...Over!!
Re: 81 cutlass
Need a couple of things for my 63 Dynamic 88
RE: Worst Loss?, best buy?
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name/rambling
Re: Wanted: 70 SX
Re: buick,olds pontiac magazine
Re: 67 Toro Questions
Re: Exhaust Tips
RE: Leaded gas question
Re: 1987 Cutlass Speakers
Re: Leaded gas question
Re: Looking for Owners manuals
Re: Winter...is...Over!!
Ft. Wheel Speedo Drive
Re: "Bridge Gauge"
another_weekend
I know I shoulda paid attention but....
'76 Starfire 4 Cylinder Manual For Sale (4/23)
Re: '87 Salon Options
Re: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]
Re: Exhaust Tips
Re: I know I shoulda paid attention but....
Re: Exhaust Tips
AOL4FREE
Wheels for Sale (lead)
'87 Salon Options
Re: I know I shoulda paid attention but....
Re: 67 Toro Questions
Factory HP ratings (was: Toropony?)
Re[2]: Winter...is...Over!!
Re: back
Re: 68 wheel color???
Re: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]
Re: Need a couple of things for my 63 Dynamic 88
Re: another_weekend

Re: 1987 Cutlass Speakers
Re: F-85 Smoke
Re:
Re:
Cruise control is toast. . .

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:16:07 -0300
Subject: Re: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)

> > Maybe us NE Oldsmobilers could get together before then? How about it,
guys; > > have you dug your cars out of the snow yet?

Heyyyyyyy, that reminds me . . . was it Mike Frederick who told me that a
few Florida Oldsheads were going to get together with some visiting
listies last month??  Mike, speak up if that was you!  What happened?  And
will we see you at the OCF Show (coming up this weekend in Orlando, for
anyone else who can make it --- plug plug plug!)??

8)
peg
'78 Cutlass Calais
'86 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:14:46 -0300
Subject: Exhaust Tips

Does anyone know if the factory put exhaust tips on a 87 442?  If they
did were can I get good quality ones.  When I baught the car the tips
were on the car I would like to know if they are factory.

Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442Plates [1987 W42]

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From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:36:56 -0300
Subject: 68 wheel color???

On my 68, I have a set of SS II rally wheels, what color did they come
from the factory with??   My car is jade gold with a tan vinyl top.

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:46:43 -0300
Subject: Re: '87 Salon Options

On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Peter L. House wrote:

> I have the GM service manual for my '86 Supreme that I had to bury
> about 6 months ago. I was checking the book for the options codes
> in the trunk of my '87 Salon and some of the codes are not in the
> '86 book. Does anybody out there know what these codes mean
>
> 799  YT9  79C  J41 O47 STE UX1
>
> The code for the '86 high capcity cooling is  V08  extra cap. is
> VO3  What is the code for the '87 Salon , or does it come
> automatically with the Salon.

I don't have all the codes you want, but I can help with some of them.
V03 and V08 are the same for '87.  79C has something to do with Burgandy
Metallic paint, maybe a stripe?  UX1 is an am stereo/fm stereo, seek and
scan, auto reverse cassette player with music search, graphic equalizer
and digital clock.  Dual rear extended range speakers were included.  That
was a $504 option!

That's all I can help with.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:46:05 -0300
Subject: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]

If anyone is seriously interested in burettes and/or graduated cylinders, I
should be able to provide some prices for new items from major suppliers;
Fisher Scientific, Lab Safety Supply, and others. I will need to consult
several catalogues at work, so I would prefer not to unless there is sincere
interest.

Typical burettes have volumes of 25, 50, and 100 mL (1mL is exactly equal to
1 cc). Graduated cylinders can be had in 10, 25, 50 and 100mLs. Both items
should be available in either glass (usually Pyrex) or plastic.

I will try to provide information adequate for interested parties to order
for themselves [i.e. only direct shipping charge!]

Karl Aune  -->  KarlAunan@aol.com
1065 Dynamic 88    --->  [was available for battle of Hastings victory
parade!]
Chicago, IL

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 22:49:13 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 Toro Questions

On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, jones wrote:

> My 66  Delta 88 has the wheel you like your Toro. Its also tilt and
> telescoping. Do Y'all think this has ben transplanted from a Toro or was
> this avaible on all big cars?
> Walter

It was available on all full size cars.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:17:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 wheel color???

On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, hanthorn wrote:

> On my 68, I have a set of SS II rally wheels, what color did they come
> from the factory with??   My car is jade gold with a tan vinyl top.

All SSIIs were silver in '68.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:25:25 -0300
Subject: Looking for Owners manuals

I was wondering if anyone has or knows of actual owners manuals for older
cars, like my '53 Super 88.  I have a shop manual and was wondering if
there are just regular owners manuals similar to those used today.  Any
info?

                                                        Curious,
                                                                Youngin'
                                                                '53 Super 88

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:26:18 -0300
Subject: Looking for a Clock Knob for '53

I am having a heck of a time finding a knob for my clock in my '53
Oldsmobile Super 88.  It didn't have it when I bought the car, but I've
tried local jewelry/clock stores.  Of course I don't live in a big town, so
I'm hoping someone can help me out.

                                                        Desperate,

Youngin'
                                                                        '53
Super 88

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:27:21 -0300
Subject: Looking for '53 upholstery

Can anyone help me find a supplier or help me track down some original
upholstery?  Or is there an alternative?  The original upholstery in my '53
Oldsmobile Super 88 just got too old and the threads just gave way to a rip
in the passenger side. Any
info would be great.

                                                                Desperate,

Youngin'
                                                                        '53
Super 88

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 23:29:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 wheel color???

hanthorn wrote:
>
> On my 68, I have a set of SS II rally wheels, what color did they come
> from the factory with??   My car is jade gold with a tan vinyl top.

Grey.  You can order the "correct" paint from many of the olds parts
suppliers (Year-one, Fusicks, etc).  Also, the 68 SS IIs had silver
painted slots, instead of the bezels that were used in other years.

- -Dan

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From: Robert Yasczak <VJTD@grove.iup.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:52:38 -0300
Subject: 1987 Cutlass Speakers

This past weekend I installed a new GM Radio into my Cutlass, it
replaces the one that was dead when I bought the car (radio worked, but no
tape).  The radio was free, so I didn't complain.  Anyway, it sounded decent
with the stock high end speakers, but I decided to replace the rear with the
Pioneer 4X10's that I took out of my old car.  Now, the rear sounds great, but
the front are distorting somewhat.  I plan on ordering a pair of Pioneer
 3 1/2's this summer, but I need help on removing the grills.  I know that
someone told me how to do this last year on my 85 Cutlass, but I never got
around to doing it.  If someone could help me out it would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks. Robb Yasczakvjtd@grove.iup.edu

------------------------------

From: "Steve Bento" <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:04:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Leaded gas question

- ----------
> At 09:17 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if
not)
>
> While most states dropped leaded gas about 8 years ago, some hung on until
> just last year or so. In the next town over however, there is a station
with
> two pumps of Cam2 racing gas: 100 octane unleaded, or 120 octane leaded.
> Both are $4.00/gallon. I think I'll go hang out there on a Sat. night and
> see who's buying that stuff...
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
 Bob,

I know a couple of people in your "neck of the woods" and they probably
sell so much of that race gas cause of all the street racing that is going
on in that area... While I don't support it  and don't participate in
street racing I can kind of  see why they do it, the two closest dragways
are 2+ hours away!!!

If your out late on a Fri or Sat watching that gas station I am sure you
will probably see some 10,11 and 12 sec cars,  I know one guy who is  BIG
time into this scene and his two most "successful" cars to date were a 340
powered Duster and a 5.0 Capri  both have clocked mid to low 11 sec times
at the track.....Scary to think if he got into an accident,  I have
personally seen the Capri run 115mph in the quarter and to think the car is
capable of doing that on DOT street tires, SCARY!!!!!!!


- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0
e-mail: steveb@thecia.net
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Steve Bento" <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:05:22 -0300
Subject: Re: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)

- ----------
> At 08:23 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >  When is this meeting at Berejik's??  Would I be able to make it before
I
> >graduate and leave the New England area??
>
> Bill,
>
> I think you're going to have to take an incomplete in a couple classes, so
> you can stick around for the Berejik show on June 1st.
>
> Maybe us NE Oldsmobilers could get together before then? How about it,
guys;
> have you dug your cars out of the snow yet?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>

Ugghhh....I am going to the "Mopar Nats" that weekend but I will try to
make it there in the afternoon, My car should be ready but I will probably
be in my friends Ford Explorer...........

Keep me posted!!

- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0
e-mail: steveb@thecia.net
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Steve Bento" <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:05:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Winter...is...Over!!

- ----------
>
>
> Once again, folks like Dr. Bob in RI, Steve Bento on the North Shore,
> and other New Englanders (including Yours Truly) have survived another
> winter.
>

Yes, and what a strange winter it was..;-)

> Yesterday, we celebrated it by running a marathon from Hopkinton to
Boston;
> and I observed the end of winter by putting away the snowblower.

Hmmm...and to think on Apr 1 I was changing a shearpin on my snowblower in
1+ feet of snow!!!!

>
> And waking up Big Red :) :) :)
>
> And a very nice top down day in New England it was!
>

Indeed it was.. (Unfortunatly I don't own a convertible :-(  )
>
>
> Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red' -- It's
Alive!!
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0
e-mail: steveb@thecia.net
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------



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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:02:02 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass

Hey Katana What holes do the motor mounts go in it would save some time!

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From: "Teresa Stump (Soccer Mom at Large)" <tstump@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:13:39 -0300
Subject: Need a couple of things for my 63 Dynamic 88

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I need the right ( or I think left will work) fender script "DYNAMIC 88" =
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Any ideas on where one might be found?
Also, would like some  Olds floor mats with rockets on them.
Thanks so much!
Teresa



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From: Ron Boffa <ronb@texoma.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 00:36:28 -0300
Subject: RE: Worst Loss?, best buy?

Please stop e mailing me, I have requested several times to be deleted =
from your oldsmobile list, can you help get me off list????????thanks, =
ronb@texoma.net

- ----------
From:  =
Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil[SMTP:Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mi=
l]
Sent:  Thursday, April 10, 1997 10:54 AM
To:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:  Re: Worst Loss?, best buy?


     The best $1000 I ever spent was in 1981. I bought a 72 W30 =
convertible=20
project car that I still have to this day!! (At the time the going price =
for=20
an OAI hood was $500)
     The garage project (30 x 40) has finally started so this car will =
get=20
the cosmetic restoration it has been patiently waiting for. It is Saturn =

Gold with white stripes and top, PS, PDB, AT with dual gate, 3.73 =
anti-spin=20
(currently 3.42), SS II wheels, and saddle interior. I never liked the=20
interior color: I am changing it to white.

************************************************************
John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convert
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
+ others

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:33:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name/rambling

In a message dated 97-04-23 00:26:08 EDT, you write:

<< I wrenched on a ski-doo racer, a budy and I built that had (dynoed) 120 hp
 out of a 440 cc Rotax endine. It would also reach over a 100 mph in 750 ft.
 Scott
 kozhill@titanlink.com >>

Those Rotax engines are something else.  Never ridden one, but they are
supposed to benice (and powerful).  BTW, not bad for a sled.

Chris Ruper

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From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iAmerica.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:33:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Wanted: 70 SX

At 05:50 PM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>     A friend is looking for a 70 Cutlass SX hardtop. Please reply directly
>since I am currently "unsubscribed" due to too much msg traffic at work !
>
>*************************************************************
>John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"     (301) 863-5319
>Lexington Park, MD
>Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL
>
>65 Delta 88
>66 Toronado
>69 Cutlass S
>70 Cutlass S W31
>70 442 W30 convert
>72 442 W30 convert
>72 Delta 88 convert
>+ others
>
>
>
>
There is a 70 SX for sale in Bartlesville, Oklahoma. It includes a extra
parts car, is listed as "a good restoration project" for $2000
The phone number is (918) 335-0904

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From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iAmerica.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:42:16 -0300
Subject: Re: buick,olds pontiac magazine

At 08:51 PM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>i,m looking for a copy of buick,olds pontiac collectors guide monthly
>6/1993  with a cutlass sx on the front  at the top of the front page
>INDY PACE CAR MANIA
>
>
>THANK YOU
>MICHAEL POOLE
>1970 CUTLASS SX W-32
>
>
>
Michael, the magazine was printed by a company called MCG Publishing's in
Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Their phone number (as of June 93) was (504) 926-6954.

It is possible they printed other magazines, and might be still in business,
Give them a call to inquire for a back issue.

By the way, there is also an excellent article on another 70 SX in the
November 1987 issue of MUSCLECARS. This particular SX was also featured in a
small clipping in Hot Rod magazine. If you can't find it, let me know and
I'll send you a copy off my copy machine of the article.

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 01:15:33 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 Toro Questions

The tilt & tele was new for 66 according to my "new" sales manuals and
available on 88's, 98's and Toros. I have one in my 98 now and one that
works better from a 66 Toro that I'm planning to transplant one of these
weekends. Not sure this wheel was available on the 67's since they went
to safety knobs due to federal regs that year. Maybe on the toros since
they were unusual, but I think that tilt wheel changed for 67 in the
88s and 98s.
cf

>> The '66 I'm looking at for parts has the ~really cool~ steering wheel
>with
>> the horn buttons on the side of that butterfly shaped insert (Almost
>wanted
>> to say bowtie, but that just ruins the coolness...)  Is anyone still with
>my
>> description (perfectly accurate as it is...)?  Is this wheel available on
>> the '67s too?  (Would I be violating originality by swapping them?  (Not
>> that it'd matter, but I'm still curious.)
>
>My 66  Delta 88 has the wheel you like your Toro. Its also tilt and
>telescoping. Do Y'all think this has ben transplanted from a Toro or was
>this avaible on all big cars?
>Walter
>

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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:24:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Tips

Tim Hietpas wrote:

>Does anyone know if the factory put exhaust tips on a 87 442?  If they
>did were can I get good quality ones.  When I bought the car the tips
>were on the car I would like to know if they are factory.

Tim,
          I don't think the exhaust pipes had factory-installed tips.  (Mine
didn't come with tips, anyway.)  Sounds like the previous owner had some
aftermarkets put on. Hope this helps.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html


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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:36:54 -0300
Subject: RE: Leaded gas question

At 10:01 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 01:15 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>At 09:17 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if not)
>>
>>While most states dropped leaded gas about 8 years ago, some hung on until
>>just last year or so. In the next town over however, there is a station with
>>two pumps of Cam2 racing gas: 100 octane unleaded, or 120 octane leaded.
>>Both are $4.00/gallon. I think I'll go hang out there on a Sat. night and
>>see who's buying that stuff...
>>_______________________________________________________
>>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>You've got a heck of a life there, Bob.  Do you routinely go to gas
>stations and watch people pump their gas?  :)
>
>
>Dan
>

Sure he does, I've been in Providence on Saturday night.  Gas station
fueling watching and paint drying have always been the ususal Saturday
passtime, unless the submarine fleet is in of course.

The Wiz

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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:37:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 1987 Cutlass Speakers

Robb Yasczak wrote:
<snip>

>...but I need help on removing the grills.  I know that someone told me how
to do >this last year on my 85 Cutlass, but I never got around to doing it.
If someone >could help me out it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>Robb Yasczakvjtd@grove.iup.edu

Robb,
           When I had my '82 Cutlass, I replaced the factory 3 1/2" speakers
with a pair of Pioneers.  The installer at the stereo place told me to put a
terry-cloth towel on the dashboard, insert a flathead screwdriver into the
gap between the dash and the grill, and GENTLY twist the screwdriver to pry
the grill off.  It worked fairly well, but be careful not to create an
indention on your dashboard.  (Also, those old metal clips attached to the
grill can become weakened by repeated removal.)  Hope this helps.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:40:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Leaded gas question

At 11:15 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Robert J. Barry wrote:
>>
>> Both are $4.00/gallon. I think I'll go hang out there on a Sat. night and
>> see who's buying that stuff...
>
>I have a place close by my house that sells 100 octane unleaded gas for
>$4.13/gallon.  I don't know of anyone who can afford that.  I know I
>can't.  Now if they charged maybe 1.75/gallon, I would probably line up
>for it.
>
>Oh well..
>
>Chris
>
>
I think I would suspect pure 100 octane to be pure 100% octane, wouldn't you.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:56:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for Owners manuals

At 11:25 PM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I was wondering if anyone has or knows of actual owners manuals for older
>cars, like my '53 Super 88.  I have a shop manual and was wondering if
>there are just regular owners manuals similar to those used today.  Any
>info?
>
>                                                        Curious,
>                                                                Youngin'
>                                                                '53 Super 88
>
>
>
>
I've got a few older ones, but they are in fact older, the range from
1922-34.  I feel that, while a very interesting car, a 1953 is just a used
car.

The Wiz

P.S. Please note that this is not a flame, just a righteous opinion.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 02:59:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Winter...is...Over!!

At 03:05 AM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>>
>>
>> Once again, folks like Dr. Bob in RI, Steve Bento on the North Shore,
>> and other New Englanders (including Yours Truly) have survived another
>> winter.
>>
>
>Yes, and what a strange winter it was..;-)
>
>> Yesterday, we celebrated it by running a marathon from Hopkinton to
>Boston;
>> and I observed the end of winter by putting away the snowblower.
>
>Hmmm...and to think on Apr 1 I was changing a shearpin on my snowblower in
>1+ feet of snow!!!!
>
>>
>> And waking up Big Red :) :) :)
>>
>> And a very nice top down day in New England it was!
>>
>
>Indeed it was.. (Unfortunatly I don't own a convertible :-(  )
>>
>>
>> Tim Churchill
>> -------------
>> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red' -- It's
>Alive!!
>> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>Steve
>71 Cutlass S 455
>93 Mustang LX 5.0
>e-mail: steveb@thecia.net
>---------------------------------------------------------------------


Does this mean that you NORMALLY run your snow blower with the top up.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 03:06:00 -0300
Subject: Ft. Wheel Speedo Drive

Has anyone here ever done a serious matitneance on the front wheel speedo
drive?

I would like some opinions:

1. Would it be readily adaptable to some other car?

2. Is it a maintenance nightmare, or substantially trouble free.

3. Exactly how is thie feet performed, ie, where to - and what - do and how
do things bolt together.

The Wiz

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:31:13 -0300
Subject: Re: "Bridge Gauge"

>
>As far as your mechanic's advice: The one who says you need it is going
>strictly by the factory procedure. He should own this tool, or be able to
>borrow it from someone; if you buy it, he should deduct from your bill what
>it would cost to "rent" this tool from you. I believe Mondello wants about
>$50 for this piece. Yes, he knows he has you by the rocker nuts. I can't
>imagine what Snap-On or GM would want for the same piece.
>
>The one who says you don't need it either doesn't know what you're talking
>about, knows what you're talking about but has some alternative method for
>establishing proper valvetrain geometry (i.e. shimming the rockers), or
>knows what you're talking about but doesn't care enough to actually check
>these measurements. You can always ask him how he establishes the proper
>valvetrain geometry on an Olds engine; if he says "Huh?" or "Aw, ya don't
>need to do that", then run, don't walk, from that man. If he has another
>answer, listen carefully.

I've always seen a steel rule with a 90' "T" on it (the part that has the
pocket clip on it) used for this procedure.  This can measure the valve
spring installed height and the valve stem height also.  This can be used to
keep them all identically loaded, but I'm not sure if head resurfacing would
affect the specs noticably.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: "Dal Allan" <dal_allan@mcimail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 04:21:30 -0300
Subject: another_weekend

Howdy all,

After reading about scalded legs, it is clear all weekends are not the same.

My wife and I drove south to the Palm Springs Classic Car Show in our 1967
yellow/yellow Cutlass convertible. On the way down she worried over how it
only had a 330 cid in it which is close to the 307 cid in her 1988 model.
After going over I5's highest point (4,000+ feet) at 80 mph from a start at
the bottom of 70 mph she understood the difference. Why the 307 is so anemic
when it comes to torque compared to the 330 is beyond her comprehension (and
that of a lot of us on this reflector).

There were over 800 cars lining the main street in Palm Springs on Saturday,
and only three were Oldsmobiles: a 1904 one-lunger with tiller, a mildly
customized 1950 black woodie, and ours. There were over 150 Corvettes and at
least a like number of modifieds and hot rods. Most of the hot rods were in
clubs which drove over early morning for the day.

The Concourse D'Elegance on Sunday was held on the golf course, and there
were some startling cars there, like one of 6 Isottas ever made. Several
Packards, and a great selection of Jaguars from pre-war to now, including a
few racers like the D-type. The XK-8 was quite a feature in both ragtop and
coupe versions.

The weekend would have been perfect but for the high pressure power steering
hose which popped a leak while we were parking the car in the main street.
It happened on full lock when reversing into position. I did not notice it,
but my wife saw fresh fluid drops leading to a puddle underneath the car.

About an hour was spent on the phone trying to track down a replacement hose
for the trip home. No one in town had one, and the best they could offer was
to get one to me by Tuesday or Wednesday. All the parts places in Palm
Springs close on Sunday, except the chains of Kragens, Pep Boys and Chiefs.

I strapped a radiator bandage over the hose to help reinforce the break that
had appeared and prevent the fluid squirting out. PS fluid is flammable as I
discovered when our Avanti popped a leak which sprayed over the exhaust
manifold and ignited. The bandage caused the fluid to drip out. In a straight
line there is little pressure, so the car was usable to get around town.
Chiefs had a 68 hose which has male/male fittings. The 67 has male/female,
but 10 minutes in an Ace Hardware store solved that problem by assembling
brass parts to adapt one of the male flares to a female flare.

It's hard to believe Palm Springs is one hour from the largest concentration
of old cars in the country yet they needed three days to get a hose. When we
got home (San Jose) I called my local store and they had one for me an hour
later. It was on the car before putting it away in the garage that night.

The whole weekend was set up as a nostalgia event. Although the 1100 miles
was a real pleasure (the car has been updated with disc brakes and variable
ratio power steering off a 1972 and PST-poly bushings all round), the best
part for my wife was the Prom on Saturday night. Music by a retro-band plus
Elvis and Blues Bros and Buddy Holly impersonators revived memories and
livened everything on the dance floor.

One thing I had forgotten over the years is how noisy a convertible is at
high speed, we had to yell at each other to be heard. The normal speed in
the car pool lane on 210 in Los Angeles was 90 mph - the highway patrol does
not bother speeders as much as those who weave in and out apparently.

It was great to relive old times in old cars to the tune of old songs, even
if it was by a bunch of old farts.

One question though, where were all the Los Angelino Oldsmobiles?

Dal

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From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:14:03 -0300
Subject: I know I shoulda paid attention but....

Here's the ad, how can I verify this is a *real* one?

1969 442
Automatic with rare W30 Ram Air Hood; 12 bolt posi; solid car;
needs very little work; runs good; $2,700 or bo
[it's pearl green]

- -soft plug is out he mentions - dontcha wonder why???


He's taking it to the swap meet this weekend but the SO
gets to go see it tonight.  Fair price?

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:27:12 -0300
Subject: '76 Starfire 4 Cylinder Manual For Sale (4/23)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1976 Oldsmobile Starfire 4 Cylinder engine Service Manual Supplement.
Covers maintenance, emission control, heater and air conditioner, rear
suspension, drive shaft, differential, brake, transmission and clutch,
steering, chassis electrical, and instrument panel information for 4
cylinder engine equipped Starfires, which is not covered in the 1976
=B3all series=B2 Chassis Service Manual.  Very good condition.  $15.00,
including shipping to any address in North America.  (4/23/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          =3D=3D=3D
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | =3D Tom Stoner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         =3D=3D=3D    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D+

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:27:33 -0300
Subject: Re: '87 Salon Options

Peter L. House wrote:
>
> Does anybody out there know what these codes mean
>
> 799  YT9  79C  J41 O47 STE UX1
>
> The code for the '86 high capcity cooling is  V08  extra cap. is
> VO3  What is the code for the '87 Salon , or does it come
> automatically with the Salon

The UX1 is the AM/FM stereo, the YT9, looks like a door panel trim code,
(based on YT1 for '85s) and the 79C is the color of the cloth.  The rest
of the codes I don't have info on.  That's as close as I can get.

Mike Rothe

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:24:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]

At 09:46 PM 4/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>If anyone is seriously interested in burettes and/or graduated cylinders, I
[snip]
>Typical burettes have volumes of 25, 50, and 100 mL (1mL is exactly equal to
>1 cc). Graduated cylinders can be had in 10, 25, 50 and 100mLs. Both items
>should be available in either glass (usually Pyrex) or plastic.
>
>I will try to provide information adequate for interested parties to order
>for themselves [i.e. only direct shipping charge!]

Karl,

Prices for the 100mL burettes, in both plastic and glass, would be ideal. I
would think plastic might be cheaper, but you never know with these things.

TIA
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:32:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Tips

Timothy Carl Hietpas wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the factory put exhaust tips on a 87 442?

No, there is no such animal ever listed on the option sheets for exhaust
tips.  I ordered a new 87 442 back then, and I equipped it with
everything.  There was nothing except the dual-outlet exhausts that came
with the W-42.  Sorry.  However, they could have been a dealer add-on
item, since in those days, they did that a lot.

Mike Rothe

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 08:34:32 -0300
Subject: Re: I know I shoulda paid attention but....

At 07:14 AM 4/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Here's the ad, how can I verify this is a *real* one?
>
>1969 442
>Automatic with rare W30 Ram Air Hood; 12 bolt posi; solid car;

Others can help you with the numbers to look for to verify a 400ci block; I
can tell you that the VIN should start out with 344...

As for the "rare" W30 hood...

Since the '69 W-30's used under-the-bumper scoops, the hoods were the same
as the non-W-30 cars, so it'd be one of zero... unless he bolted on a '70
W-25 hood (available on more than W-30 cars), in which case it's not really
rare, but rather non-original (though they can fetch some big $$$)

>needs very little work; runs good; $2,700 or bo
>[it's pearl green]

That's not a bad price, assuming it's a real 442.

>-soft plug is out he mentions - dontcha wonder why???

What soft plug? There's quite a few things on the car that I can imagine
calling a "soft-plug"; which are you talking about?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:00:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Tips

On Wed, 23 Apr 1997, MROTHE wrote:
> No, there is no such animal ever listed on the option sheets for exhaust
> tips.  I ordered a new 87 442 back then, and I equipped it with
> everything.  There was nothing except the dual-outlet exhausts that came
> with the W-42.  Sorry.  However, they could have been a dealer add-on
> item, since in those days, they did that a lot.
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Geez, you make '87 sound like ancient history or something... I think I'm
still trying to pay off some credit card bills from that year!  ;-)


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 09:32:54 -0300
Subject: AOL4FREE

Clarification on virus hoax.  Per GM release today on 4-23-97, AOL4FREE
E-mail message is hoax just like Good Times.  AOL4FREE.COM file is Trojan
Horse program.

Steve Ochs - Mfg/Product Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - '97 Blazer LT, '87 442
'96 DCM Impala SS - Home plate delete, sewer pipe, Hypertech PP+,
K&N, drilled airbox, speakers, anti-theft, check valve, gages

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From: Denney J Keys <Denney.J.Keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:24:25 -0300
Subject: Wheels for Sale (lead)

I came across this item for sale at work for anyone interested.  I have no
idea of condition, etc.

15"x7" chrome wheel rims, 4 w/all h/w, bolt pattern (4.75"), came off 1981
Olds Delta 88, $100, 301/470-3470


Denney

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:42:44 -0300
Subject: '87 Salon Options

The codes in the trunk for the car does not show the VO3 or the VO8
options what other cooling systems would they put in the car with a
V8 with all the options, like A/C  Power Steering. I did not see
any difference in this cooling system in the '87 Salon from my '86
Brougham and that had the VO8 & VO3 options in the trunk



Peter L House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:48:52 -0300
Subject: Re: I know I shoulda paid attention but....


Here's the ad, how can I verify this is a *real* one?

1969 442
Automatic with rare W30 Ram Air Hood; 12 bolt posi; solid car;
needs very little work; runs good; $2,700 or bo
[it's pearl green]

          Well...the OAI hood isn't original, since they didn't come
          out until the 1970 model year (tho, 70 hoods will bolt onto
          a 69 body).  I have to assume the car has had a repaint to
          get the hood to match.  It's likely not a real 69 W-30, if
          that is what you're asking, since I doubt anyone would
          remove the under-the-bumper OAI setup (well...I've seen some
          pretty crazy things...).  Red fenderwells = W-30, black =
          regular 442.  The VIN should start with 344..., which will
          signify a real 442.  As you look at the engine, "D" heads
          will signify a W-30 motor (for 69), "C" heads a run of the
          mill 442 engine.

          As for the price, assuming the car is straight, rust-free,
          and a real 442, this $2750 sounds like a good deal (assuming
          you don't care about the non-original OAI hood - which by
          itself is probably worth over $500).

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30




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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:52:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 Toro Questions

     Charlie B has "Couple points I've noticed and wonderred about..."

The Toros have the starter bolted to the transmission instead of the block.
Do these blocks still have the conventional mounting provisions on the other
side?

          Yes.  The tapped holes are present but unused.  (It was a
          Toro 455 shortblock - with conventional starter position -
          used in the original Hurst/Oldses)

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30





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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:51:32 -0300
Subject: Factory HP ratings (was: Toropony?)

          This didn't seem to get posted (we've been going through
          some server upgrades).  Sorry if it is redundant.


______________________________ Forward Header
__________________________________ Subject: Factory HP ratings (was:
Toropony?) Author:  JPADA at OSC-DULLES2 Date:    4/22/97 1:41 PM


Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> The '66-'68's were all 385hp. The '69-'70's were only 375hp. Unless you're
> talking about the '68-'70 W-34's; then they've got 400hp even.

I guess putting one of those W-34 engines in a 442 would come close or
surpass a H/O.

Chris

          I've noted this here before (apologies if you find this
          redundant), but the factory HP ratings of the 60's have as
          much credibility as Slick Willie (OK, sorry about the
          political humor - NOT!).  Keep in mind that the 70 W-30,
          which had a more radical cam and better flowing heads and
          intake than the W-34, was only rated at 370 HP.  Mighty
          suspicious until you realize that GM Corporate mandated a 10
          pound per HP minimum limit on all cars except the Corvette.
          The 442, to add to the conspiracy theory, had a curb weight
          of about 3700 lbs.  Coincidence?  I think not!

          In fact, it's kind of hard to believe that all the W-30
          equipment only raised the HP of the base 442 engine by 5-10
          HP (do you really believe that the 66 W-30 setup didn't
          change the 360 HP rating of the L-69 tri-carb engine?).  It
          is curious that the various year W-30 HP ratings were almost
          always 1/10 of the curb weight of the car for that year!

          And, of course, the H/O was not subject to the GM 10 pound
          per HP limit (since it was theoretically built outside of
          Oldsmobile), so they were allowed to advertise 390 HP in the
          68 H/O.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:53:10 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Winter...is...Over!!

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> Once again, folks like Dr. Bob in RI, Steve Bento on the North Shore,
> and other New Englanders (including Yours Truly) have survived another
> winter.

          Tim,

          I thought winter in New England wasn't officially over until
          May 10!  ;)

          (and for gratuitous Olds content, my first 68 442 was caught
          in the infamous May 9, 1977 snowstorm in Massachusetts after
          having pulled it out of winter storage - you may want to
          reconsider awakening Big Red)

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 10:53:26 -0300
Subject: Re: back

At 10:08 AM 4/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>i plan to work on the suspension of my 73 delta 88 in 3 weeks when i go
>back home. i'd like to rebuild bah front and rear, but i don't know if i
>can do it myself. Do i need special tools to do this job? (i'm thinking
>about tools to remove bushings)
>will i have enough space to work if i put the car on stands?
>where can i get some good suspension kits, coil springs and shock absorbers?

You can either buy the special tool set to remove the bushings yourself, or
you can take them to a shop, which will press out the old ones and press in
the new ones. You should also have enough space to work on the car if you
put it on four *sturdy* jackstands (as big as you can afford). Place them
under the frame between the wheels.

>while on vacation i worked on my car of course... i did a carburetor
>overhaul, everything was all right to disassemble and reassemble, but i had
>problems with  adjustments: many different special tools were needed to set
>gaps and bend rods for example( the 1973 service manual describes "t-scale
>and gauges set", etc)
>here can i get these tools?

There are alternative methods to those bent rods; usually involves measuring
distances. Most carb kits I've bought have a little "L"-shaped ruler with
measurements as fine as 1/64" for setting the float level and the choke
openings. I've saved mine from the various carb kits, but you can also use a
small steel rule with fine measurements.

>Changing the intake manifold gasket was fun too: instead of 4 hours it took
>me 8 hours to complete the job. it's amazing how much s... you discover
>when you open these 25 year old engines...

In your lifter valley? I know what you mean; a '72 350 I pulled apart had
enough gunk and varnish buildup to *surround* the pushrods! It took a bit of
scraping before I could even see the lifters...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:42:02 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 wheel color???

In 1968, all SSIIs for the Cutlass/442 came in gray argent.  There were no
tin bezels around the holes in the wheels; the raised area was painted
silver.  The wheels were also 14x6, whereas most wheels you will find in
junkyards and on cars that are resold are 14x7.

The only wheel that was any different was on the Hurst Olds, I believe.  But
I am not an expert on those cars.

Duane

1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible (had the thing three weeks, only had it on
the street once, already three offers to buy it)

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 11:56:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Burettes, flavored and otherwise [was head games]

Karl Aune  wrote:
1065 Dynamic 88    --->  [was available for battle of Hastings victory
parade!]
Chicago, IL

I knew Oldsmobile has been around for awhile, but really....

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:19:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Need a couple of things for my 63 Dynamic 88

At 12:13 AM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:

>>>>

<excerpt>

Hello all.


I don't post much ...but I read faithfully!

I have run this by a couple of you already, but thought I would hit it
again.

I need the right ( or I think left will work) fender script "DYNAMIC  88"
.

Any ideas on where one might be found?

</excerpt><<<<<<<<


Teresa,


I've found that these can be some of the most difficult things to find.
I found scripts for my '64 Jetstar 88 in a local junkyard that happened
to have a '64 sitting in the yard.  The scripts one side were bent from a
fender hit, but on the other side they were ok.  They're also very likely
to be cruddy.  They're just made of pot metal, and the corrode and so
forth over the years.  Sometimes you can find vendors at swap meets who
will have boxes of these old scripts, but it's been my experience that
these are usually for Fords and Chevys.  My suggestion is to get a copy
of Hemmings and call some of the vendors who advertise in there.  Some of
the yards out west might have something.



Dan




>>>>

<excerpt>

Also, would like some  Olds floor mats with rockets on them.


Thanks so much!


Teresa




</excerpt>




**************************************

Daniel A. Gulino

gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu

http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html

1975 Delta 88 Convertible

**************************************

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 12:22:52 -0300
Subject: Re: another_weekend

At 04:21 AM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:

>One question though, where were all the Los Angelino Oldsmobiles?
>
>Dal

We're here in Ohio!



Dan



**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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From: gcooke@equitable.ca
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:22:28 -0300
Subject:

Hi:

I just bought a '61 Olds F-85 with 58K miles, and am having a few problems -
and a hoot! (limited knowledge of cars here!).

It is smoking what appears to be oil (white smoke) out of both the tailpipe
and the oil fill cap - it definitely gets worse the warmer the engine is.  Am
I looking at ring problems?  I checked the blow by pipe, and it is
unobstructed - clear and no PVC valve.

If it is rings, I was thinking it may be better for me to drop in a new
engine. It currently has a 215 V8 aluminum block.  Someone suggested an Olds
350 might bolt right up - any ideas if this is the way I should go, and if so,
what engine I should be looking for?  Something a bit more common than the 215
would be ideal.

Thanks!

Glenn - Kitchener, Ont.

------------------------------

From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:37:23 -0300
Subject: Re: 1987 Cutlass Speakers

At 12:52 AM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>This past weekend I installed a new GM Radio into my Cutlass, it
>replaces the one that was dead when I bought the car (radio worked, but no
>tape).  The radio was free, so I didn't complain.  Anyway, it sounded decent
>with the stock high end speakers, but I decided to replace the rear with the
>Pioneer 4X10's that I took out of my old car.  Now, the rear sounds great,
but >the front are distorting somewhat.  I plan on ordering a pair of Pioneer

>3 1/2's this summer, but I need help on removing the grills.  I know that
>someone told me how to do this last year on my 85 Cutlass, but I never got
>around to doing it.  If someone could help me out it would be greatly
>appreciated. Thanks.
>Robb Yasczakvjtd@grove.iup.edu
>
>
>Robb,
     I just replaced my front and rear speakers this past winter. I put
6x9's where the stock 4x10's were and 3 1/2's up front. (All were Pioneer)
In my '87 the grills just pop out. I used a small screw driver and pried up
on each corner slowly until it popped out. They are held in by clips. Hope
this helps.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 13:55:05 -0300
Subject: Re: F-85 Smoke

     White smoke usually indicates coolant being burned in the combustion
     chamber.  Check the head gaskets first.  Sounds like either blown head
     gasket and/or cracked head(s).

     - Pete
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera


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_________________________________ Subject: Author:  gcooke@equitable.ca at
imail Date:    4/23/97 1:22 PM



Hi:

I just bought a '61 Olds F-85 with 58K miles, and am having a few problems -
and a hoot! (limited knowledge of cars here!).

It is smoking what appears to be oil (white smoke) out of both the tailpipe
and the oil fill cap - it definitely gets worse the warmer the engine is.  Am
I looking at ring problems?  I checked the blow by pipe, and it is
unobstructed - clear and no PVC valve.

If it is rings, I was thinking it may be better for me to drop in a new
engine. It currently has a 215 V8 aluminum block.  Someone suggested an Olds
350 might bolt right up - any ideas if this is the way I should go, and if
so, what engine I should be looking for?  Something a bit more common than
the 215 would be ideal.

Thanks!

Glenn - Kitchener, Ont.



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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:29:51 -0300
Subject: Re:

At 01:22 PM 4/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Hi:
>
>I just bought a '61 Olds F-85 with 58K miles, and am having a few problems -
>and a hoot! (limited knowledge of cars here!).
>
>It is smoking what appears to be oil (white smoke) out of both the
tailpipe and
>the oil fill cap - it definitely gets worse the warmer the engine is.  Am I
>looking at ring problems?  I checked the blow by pipe, and it is
unobstructed -
>clear and no PVC valve.

I'm certainly no expert, but I'm not sure that white smoke means oil.
White smoke can also be coolant or transmission fluid.  I once was getting
white smoke out of my exhaust fairly regularly on my '64 Jetstar 88, but
the oil level was not diminishing.  I checked the transmission fluid and it
was down.  It turned out that the vacuum modulator on the transmission,
which is connected directly to the intake manifold, was leaking and causing
transmission fluid to be sucked into the engine.  Something to perhaps
consider.


Dan



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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 14:21:10 -0300
Subject: Re:

gcooke@equitable.ca wrote:
>
>
> It is smoking what appears to be oil (white smoke) out of both the tailpipe
and > the oil fill cap - it definitely gets worse the warmer the engine is.
Am I > looking at ring problems?  I checked the blow by pipe, and it is
unobstructed - > clear and no PVC valve. >

There was a similar kind of question brought up earlier about this.
Everyone was thinking it could have been an intake gasket leak at the
exhaust cross-over.  It proved out to be worse than that.  It was in the
pistons rings.  But these are possibilities.

Check the color of the smoke carefully.  If it is a BLUISH-LOOKING
smoke, then you have oil getting into the cylider(s) somehow.  Either by
leaky valve stems, or scored cylinder walls or bad rings.  (possible
leak on intake gasket at bottom of intake ports, however unlikely)
Check the condition of the spark plugs.  If they look oily and wet,
then, oil is probably leaking in.  Do a compression check on the engine,
to see if ring

White smoke????   Uh oh.  You may be looking at a head gasket leak or
worse yet a cracked block or head.  White billowing smoke is usually an
indication of WATER!  And lots of it.  With the aluminum block, that's
not real good.  Have you checked the radiator level?  Does it constantly
seem to go down, yet you can't find any leaks?  Take the radiator cap
off while the engine is cold.  Start the engine, and watch for bubbles.
(DO NOT remove cap while engine is HOT!)  Have your local radiator shop
do a pressure check on the SYSTEM. If pressures won't hold, that might
prove a leak somewhere.

That's my $0.02

Mike Rothe

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 07:18:12 -0300
Subject: Cruise control is toast. . .

     Well, I just got back from a long business trip.  Put about 600 miles
     on the '84 H/O.  I must say she ran perfectly, the new tranny TCC
     solenoid doesn't stick at all, and she *loves* the highway.

     Driving over there were about 60-70 mph headwinds.  I mean these were
     strong, I could barely open the door to get out of the car against the
     wind, and I had trouble standing up when refueling.  Combine that with
     the 70mph speed limit and I was looking at a 130-140mph air speed.
     Needless to say, my gas mileage on the way over was terrible, at
     10.8mpg.  Aerodynamics?  We don't need no stinking aerodynamics!  Put
     a rocket V8 behind it and you can get something with the aerodynamics
     of a brick to go fast.

     About 75 miles from home my cruise control went.  Had to brake for the
     standard idiot who likes to stay in the left lane (2 lane each way,
     divided highway) keeping formation with the only other car for miles.
     Once he caught a clue and moved right, I hit the resume (as I'd done
     several times before that trip) expecting to zoom back up to 72mph
     where it was set.  Nothing happened, hit it again.  This time I
     noticed a faint click or pop, like the sound an electrical short
     makes, or that a fuse blowing makes.  Hmm, I think maybe I should try
     resetting the cruise control.  I look down at the stalk preparing to
     do so and I notice a few wisps of smoke coming from the column where
     the cruise control stalk attaches!  Yikes!  Turned the cruise control
     to off and smoke stopped.  Pulled over and disconnected the cruise
     from the brain under the hood just in case, and got the fire
     extinguisher from the trunk to carry beside me, again just in case.
     Made it home with no further incidents, but I haven't tried the cruise
     yet.

     My guess is that something in the wiring (probably where the stalk
     meets the steering column) probably wore through from use, age,
     whatever, and I need to replace it.  I look and couldn't find any
     blown fuses.  There is a place for a fuse labeled "CRUISE", but it's
     empty and there aren't even terminals there to plug a fuse into.
     What's this for?  I know my H/O is genuine, and being as such, the
     cruise *had* to come from the factory, you had no choice.  I think
     I'll break down and finally buy a chassis manual for this job.  I have
     two questions for now, that I hope someone with a chassis manual can
     answer:

     1) Where do the wires from the cruise come out at and connect under
     the dash?  What color are they so that I can disconnect them for now,
     in case I accidentally try to turn the cruise on again.

     2)  What's the name of the shop manual I need?  A chassis manual?  Can
     anyone recommend a particular source?

     Also, on the drive home I only got 15.5 mpg (no wind this time).  I
     used to get 19-20 on the highway.  The only changes I've made to the
     car since then are a tranny fluid change, TCC solenoid replacement (it
     is locking up at speed, I checked that by tapping the brake while
     maintaining cruising speed and watching the tach jump a few hundred
     RPM), a new O2 sensor, and I just rerouted the vacuum hoses on the air
     cleaner to open the secondary snorkel when it opens the first, not
     just at WOT (this has helped throttle response noticeably, esp. when
     already cruising, e.g. not at a stop.  It was also a 5-minute job
     costing 30 cents worth of vacuum hose, and a 50-cent T).  Think any of
     this could affect the gas mileage that much?

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

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