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oldsmobile-digest          Monday, 21 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 623

Re: Stereo radio parts
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re: G body cross member
70-72 Door
Re: Original oil pan drain plug & tool
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª622
72 TIC-TOC-TAC
1974-75 Airbag Manual For Sale (4/21)
Re: head games
Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~
Vallejo, Ca. Report
more '79 Cutlass diesel info
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds
Re: Diff gears rationale
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
67 cutlass wheel opening mouldings
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: Diff gears rationale
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~
Fw: 1959 Olds
Fwd: 1997 Darwin Award (fwd)
Montana Cutlass?
Re: attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners
Re: 70-72 Door
Re:  Toronado Addition  - '66 Style
Re: New Toro VIN
Re: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners NON-OLDS!!!
Re: Electric Choke...
John Pajak: What's your e-mail?
Re: Carb Problem?
Re: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners NON-OLDS!!!
Wanted:  Nice Rear-ends!?!
Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~
Re: The Carburetor Shop Address
Re: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage
Re: AM FM stereo
Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)
RE: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:15:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Stereo radio parts

On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, scott or sharon wrote:

>
> Hi again,
>
> I forget to mention that I needed both the knobs and the tone and fader
dials > for the AM/FM stereo I picked up at Carlisle.  I believe any AM or AM
FM > 70-72 with fader will work.  If anyone has any they would like to sell or 
>
know where I might purchase them please let me know. > > Scott Jerdan > 70
W-30

Actually the fader for the stereo is called a balance control and is partª
404890.  The fader for am and am/fm non-stereo is called a fader control
assembly.  Appears to be two different parts.  The fader control has three
fingers that plug into the radio where a one speaker radio would have a
shunt wire instead.  I don't think the balance control has those fingers,
it works on a notch in the collar shaft around the tuner shaft.  Too lazy
to go out to the garage and look at mine, but I'm pretty sure that's the
difference.

Hope you didn't pay alot for that radio.  I bought one at the '93 Nats in
Jersey.  It worked fine till I got home, then the volume control went.
Had it repaired at Carlisle and paid almost what I paid for the radio.
And I'm detecting volume control problems again...

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:24:26 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> > If you guessed the Avanti, you'd be right.  I love it anyway.
> >
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
>
> I did!  I did!  What do I win?
>
> 2nd guess would have been one of the Lincoln Convertibles
>
> 3rd guess would have been the Jetfire with the turbocharger
>
> Paul Hartlieb
>

Paul,

The Avanti is yours.  I'll box it up & send it off.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS.  That turbocharger & injection system is a pain too.

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From: kdporter <kdporter@midwest.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:41:38 -0300
Subject: Re: G body cross member

kdporter wrote:
>
> -- I need to know how to install the older style {70-72} cross member in
> the G-body {81-87}.Someone explained this a few months back but i can't
> find the post.
>  Thanks
>
>  Kenny Porter
>  70'rallye 350
> kdporter@midwest.net

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From: kdporter <kdporter@midwest.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:03:22 -0300
Subject: 70-72 Door

- --
I need a good rust free door for the drivers side for my rallye,mine
looks great on the outside completely rotten on the inside.
Thanks

Kenny Porter
70'Rallye 350
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:56:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Original oil pan drain plug & tool

Daren & Karl
  I have a 61 Starfire and it has the oil drain plug as your cars do and all
I have evere used was a 1/2 drive rachet to take off the drain plug. I have
never seen a special tool for this style plug


Everett OCAª 1961

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From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 02:06:23 -0300
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª622

> From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
> Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:12:20 -0300
> Subject: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
>
> Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
> diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?
>
> My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
> either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>
> The Wiz
>
>
We used to own a commercially available example of an IC engine that
was designed to run in both directions.  It was a 1958 Mercury Marine
Mark 78
outboard motor (75 HP).  It had what they called Direct Reversing.  It
had no
gearshift in the conventional sense.  It was a 2 stroke engine.  You
started it in gear.  When you wanted to run in reverse, you pulled the
throttle lever all the way back.  This killed the engine.  You then
started
it backwards.  It had a dual direction starter, and 2 starter solenoids.
This made for an interesting time when the engine was not in the best of
tune.
You needed to kill the engine and reverse it when approaching a pier to
slow
it down.  It got scary when it did not start in reverse right away.  It
was
a very tall engine, but had an aluminum block (and I believe heads).
Have your ex-neighbor talk to an old-timer marine mechanic to verify.

- --
Brett Chaveriat                                    Arlington Hts, IL
mailto:brett@mcs.com

72 Cutlass Supreme Convt. (Radiant Green)
96 Impala SS (black)

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From: KENNETH AND LISA BAUER <kjbauer@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:25:10 -0300
Subject: 72 TIC-TOC-TAC

I have a question concerning where to have guages rebuilt.  My factory
oil guage and Tac/clock are not working quite correctly.  The clock
stopped a number of years ago, the oil pressure reads to high (Reading
versus actual) and the Tach sticks at about 4200 rpm.  I have nearly
finished restoring the body and I am now turning my attention to the
smaller details.  If you know a good guage rebuilder I would be
interested. Thanks.

Ken (72 cutlass convertible w/442 options)

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:38:42 -0300
Subject: 1974-75 Airbag Manual For Sale (4/21)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1974 - 1975 Fisher Body Service Manual for the Buick, Cadillac and
Oldsmobile Air Cushion Restraint System.  Over 100 pages of service
information with drawings and photos for the special procedures and
parts associated with these first airbag equipped cars.  Very good
condition.  $15.00, including shipping to any address in North America.
(4/21/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
th1s item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:54:24 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

At 08:30 AM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>OL>My '94 Mondello catalog says:   casting                cc
>
>That didn't come out right .   c - 80cc   e - 77cc   j - 82cc

I was going by Mondello's recent tech guide, as well as the consensus of
this list. Each of the figures is +/-1cc, so its possible that a stock set
of any Olds head can be between around 78-82cc. Perhaps Mondello has revised
his figures. I just figure it's best to double-check things for the record
(not everything that issues from Mondello's mouth is gospel)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 00:54:31 -0300
Subject: Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~

At 04:18 AM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>     Well, I found the new engine for the Rockit today.  Another 425.  Early
>next week I'll be picking up my "new" (yeah!) '67 Toro :)  Man those things
>were cool!  This one hasn't moved in many years, tho, and has some pretty
>severe front end damage.  It's gonna be hard for me to take the engine out
[snip]
>strength of that car!  How similar (bodywise) are the '66 and '67s?  I have
>access to a '66 parts car, and the temptation is there to do something about
>that!  (Although I'd need a new hood)  Da**it! there I go again.  It's gonna

DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! The '66 will bolt on, and who needs a hood? ;)

>be tough stripping it out:(  Anyone have any preliminary parts requests?
>Transaxle's supposed to be perfect.  I ~never~ knew Olds put a switch pitch
>torque convertor in these things!  It's pretty interesting.  About that
>Toro-virus innoculation:  Anyone have info about potential cures?  I'm
>starting to show early warning signs...  Oh well, I guess.

With just a front-clip swap, you'll own the greatest (in sheer mass, if in
nothing else...) Postwar American Road Car! How can you refuse? Tell you
what; get it driving again, and if you don't have any urge to see that
barrel speedometer rotating wildly as you approach 135mph, _then_ you can
use the engine in your Rockit. BUT, then you'll just have to rebuild the
Rockit's 425 and install *that* in the Toro...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:01:04 -0300
Subject: Vallejo, Ca. Report

Well, First off, the Vallejo, _CA_ show was fun. Weather was not so hot and
may have inhibited attendance, but it was fun to see old iron out and about.
This was my first show/swap meet so please pardon my enthusiasm, such as it
is.

Some cool Oldses a couple of 61 coupes, 67 Toro for sale ($4750) in good
shape. One guy who'd made a Olds ElCam*no look alike out of Olds station wagon
and 442 parts. Hmmm. Cool, but not exactly original. Showed a lot of good
quality work though. 67 442 HT for $7500, good paint, seemed a nice driver.

Swap meeting was light, but good for me. I found a set of Dealer sales manuals
 for 1966 for big $$, but worth it to me. Now that I've been at this for 15
years, it's getting harder to find information I've not come across before.
Excruciating detail in these books about fabrics, color combinations, option
availability, etc. All this from a dealer's perspective. Really cool stuff.
If you all need data about available color combos or interior photos let me
know. I'd never seen many of these pictures and there would be great if my car
wasn't already done.

Got rid of an old Offy Manifold that I had kicking around for 10 years. And
got a price break on them manuals I bought by trading a 1966 Chassis Service
manual.

I wasn't real social, Kelli and I only stayed until 10:00a.m. and didn't talk
totoo many people, but it was a success. Hope the rest of you had as much fun
as me cf

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From: "David L. Eiche" <deiche@holli.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:08:30 -0300
Subject: more '79 Cutlass diesel info

Thanks to everyone who replied to my post about my father's Olds diesel.
Here's some further information about the car for those who asked for it:

Model: 1979 Cutlass Salon Coupe (Yes, that was the fastback.)
Engine: 260 V-8 Diesel
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Exterior: Two-tone dark and medium red.  The paint is not faded, but the
bottoms of the doors are rusty.
Interior: Red, basic trim level with red bucket seats.  Seats had been
covered and are in good shape, as is the dash.  Some of the other interior
plastic moldings are faded.
Options: power steering, brakes, windows, driver's seat, and possibly locks;
rear-window defogger; AC; high-output alternator; Delco AM/FM cassette from
an '80's vehicle.  There may be other options I do not recall.
Mileage: 200,000 miles (Believe it or not!)
Location of car: near Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Asking price: $1500
History: My parents bought this car new and have been the only owners.  The
original engine, which had chronic problems with blowing head gaskets (a
common Olds diesel malady) was replaced with a 350 diesel V-8 when the car
had 99,000 miles.  This engine remained in the car for 100,000 more miles,
at  which point a piston broke.  My father then put new head gaskets on the
original 260 diesel V-8, and recently reinstalled it in the car.  He reports
that the engine smokes more than usual under acceleration, but the car
drives reasonably well otherwise.  Dad has the original window sticker and a
set of factory service manuals, which he has put to good use.

If anyone is still interested, please e-mail me directly.

- ----
David EicheInternet (home): deiche@holli.com

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 01:06:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds

C.R.F. wrote:

Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with
reversable
diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?

To which "Kenneth G. Holland Jr." <rottin@coil.com> replied:

Yeah, they can run backwards.. A good example would be too tell him to
watch the movie called "Sand Pebble".  Besides being a great movie it
also shows the engine room of an old Naval ship alot.  A little Korean
guy
gets caught in the crankshaft and they run it in reverse to get him out.
:)

**********************
The Steve McQueen movie "The Sand Pebbles" is one of my favorite movies,
but since the naval gunboat in the movie is steam powered, I don't think
that it's a good example for this question.  By the way, the movie takes
place in China, so the "little guy" is Chinese, not Korean.

As for the question concerning marine engines, it is very common for
dual engined boats to have counter rotating engines to reduce torque
steer.  I'm pretty sure that that applies to the Oldsmobile marine
engines too, but I'll have to see if the old reference library can
confirm that.  Of course with counter rotating engines, the props also
need to be designed to turn in opposite directions, or the boat ends up
turning in a very tight circle.  ;-)

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:57:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Diff gears rationale

>I have just been reading all of the notes from the 15th and 16th about
>cracking open the diff to count gears, as well as the
>counting-the-driveshaft-revolutions method.
>
>What I learned; for a 2.93 the driveshaft spins thrice for a single tire
>revolution, whereas for a 3.42 it spins a further half revolution for the
>same amount of tire rotation. Thus the2.93:1 and 3.42:1.

Right.

>
>What then is the advantage of a higher differential gear ratio?

The terms higher and lower can get a little confusing when reffering to
rearend ratios.  If someone changes to a higher gear ratio they are actually
changing to a numerically lower ratio.  If you were to swap a 2.93:1 gearset
with a 3.42:1 gearset you would be switching to a lower gear even though the
ratio of driveshaft turns to turns of the wheel is higher. If you swap a
3.42:1 with a 2.93:1 you are switching to a higher ratio.  I don't how
"high" ended up meaning low numerically or "low" ended up meaning high
numerically, but they do.
              A higher gear ratio would improve mileage and lessen wear on
the engine somewhat but at the cost of less acceleration.  A car is also
capable of a higher top speed with a higher gear.  Cars that are meant to do
a lot of interstate cruising have higher gears.  (generally in the
2.48-3.08:1 range)  Cars meant for acceleration have lower gears, usually
something numerically above 3.08:1.

>A) Would not the higher ratio cause the same tire travel but at higher RPM or
>higher gear?

Well a numerically higher ratio will.  A 3.42:1 ratio will cause the same
tire travel but at higher RPM than a 2.93.

>B) Is it that the higher gear requires a lesser amount of torque through the
>driveshaft?

A lower gear(3.42:1) will require a lesser amount of torque than a higer
gear (2.93:1) to accelerate at a given rate.  A higher gear will require
more torque to accelerate at a given rate.

>C) Would not an engine that puts out a sufficient amount of torque be better
>off with a lower gear ratio?

An engine that puts out a small amount of torque will generally be better
off with a lower gear ratio.  An engine that puts out a lot of torque will
accelerate quite well with a higher gear ratio.  That's why the 4500lb 1970
delta 88 with the police package could run 0-60 in something like 6.9
seconds despite having a 2.93:1 rearend ratio.  It had the 455 with 500
ft/lb of torque and didn't need a very low gear to get up to speed quickly.
(it also had an estimated top speed of 140 btw.)  Thoes of us who just want
insane acceleration put a low gear behind a big 'ol 455 in a light car and
then spend the rest of their days trying to figure out how to eliminate tire
spin. :)

So you have the right idea as to how gear ratios effect rpm and torque
requirements.

I just hope I didn't muddy the water with my little higher vs. lower
dissertation.

Greg Pruett

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:17:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

At 10:43 AM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>C.R.F. wrote:
>>
>> Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
>> diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?
>
>
>Yeah, they can run backwards.. A good example would be too tell him to
>watch the movie called "Sand Pebble".  Besides being a great movie it
>also
>shows the engine room of an old Naval ship alot.  A little Korean guy
>gets caught
>in the crankshaft and they run it in reverse to get him out. :)
>
>former Machinist's Mate Petty Office 2nd Class
>       Kenneth G. Holland Jr.
>       USS Dale CG-19
>

I remember that movie.  However, I'm positive that vessel was STEAM driven,
not diesel.  Remember when McQueen was teaching the 'new guy' to be a 'bilge
coolie;' and he was showing him "live steam" and "dead steam."  And I think
they were all supposed to be Chinese.

Also, after McQueen shot the 'bilge coolie' he went into the engine room and
started shoveling coal.

Thanks for the note.

The Wiz

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From: mwalker@hadco.com (Mike Walker)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:25:03 -0300
Subject: 67 cutlass wheel opening mouldings

Help me Fellow Oldsmobilers ...
I have a 67 Cutlass Holiday Coupe (standard version) coming out of the
body shop this week. I have all exterior mouldings EXCEPT rear wheel
opening mouldings and the front spears for the lower body moulding. Can
anyone help me out ?
Please email me if you can  help me. Thanks ... mwalker@hadco.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:36:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

At 01:20 PM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 01:12 AM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
>>diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?
>>
>>My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
>>either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>>
>>The Wiz
>>
>>
>Wiz
>
>        I know they make a reversable diesel engine. I'm an acoustics expert
>for the US Navy. We do acoustic analysis on submarine, suface ship diesel
>engines, gas turbines and steam turbines. It is no longer common pratice to
>use this type of engine. The units that used a reversable engine directly
>drove the propeller shaft and had no gearing system to reverse the motion of
>the ship. So they used a reversable engine. Koloma was a Russian
>manufacturer that made a few of these types. The principle was to completely
>stop the engine and using two different starter type motors rotate it in the
>opposite direction to reverse. Can't other wise go into too many details.
>Hope this helps.
>
>Jim Chermack
>
>
>
Thanks Jim,

My father worked for Busch-Sulzer Diesel engine company from 1937 to 1946.
During WWII most all of their production was involved providing propulsion
for the Navy.  Their engines were commonly used in Net Tenders, Mine Layers,
and other 'mine craft.'  The wooden hulls mostly built on the great lakes.

Many provided reverse by operating the engines in the opposite direction
instead of using a transmission to do it.  I have this knowledge because my
father and several of his co-hearts I knew would often talk about it.
(There is only one design engineer out of their entire staff that is alive
today.  Besides their own engines, they also manufactured the Alco that was
a steel fabricated engine used in 'fleet type' submarines.  I was always
under the impression that they were reversible too.  An engineer named
George Wohanka(sp) supposedly worked out the bugs for the reversing gear on
that engine.  He was able to make it work and at resonable cost by using a
F*rd tie rod assembly to work the mechanism.

The methodology as described was that all the accessories were designed to
operate in either direction, water and oil pumps being give special
consideration, amongst the rest.  They had automatic screws on the cam
bearings that could then be made loose, the cam was moved down a set of
lobes, the screws replaced the bearings, and the engine was started in the
opposite direction.  Valve timing and accessory drives are the major
difficulties in reversing the engines direction.

My neighbor, George, doesn't buy that this is even possible, so I'm looking
for a satisfactory reference.  I have several older "Janes" but this method,
of engine reversal, is not mentioned.

I knew of a fellow that put a Corvair engine in a VW thing, and instead of
inverting the differential assy he worked out a way to run the engine the
other way.  I don't remember the details of that anymore, but I think he had
a special cam ground.  Can you imagine what a 180hp Corvair in a Thing would
do.  Talk about muscle car!

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:47:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Diff gears rationale

At 03:05 PM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Okay, maybe I am just stupid (or really tired).
>
>I have just been reading all of the notes from the 15th and 16th about
>cracking open the diff to count gears, as well as the
>counting-the-driveshaft-revolutions method.
>
>What I learned; for a 2.93 the driveshaft spins thrice for a single tire
>revolution, whereas for a 3.42 it spins a further half revolution for the
>same amount of tire rotation. Thus the2.93:1 and 3.42:1.
>
>What then is the advantage of a higher differential gear ratio?
>
>A) Would not the higher ratio cause the same tire travel but at higher RPM or
>higher gear?
>
>B) Is it that the higher gear requires a lesser amount of torque through the
>driveshaft?
>
>C) Would not an engine that puts out a sufficient amount of torque be better
>off with a lower gear ratio?
>
>Anxious to learn the ABC's of differential gears.
>
>
>Karl Aune
>1965 Dynamic 88
>Chicago,IL
>
>Darn it, now I absolutely to go hunting for that @!ª%& axle code!
>
>
>
If you have a friend with a four wheel drive vehicle, borrow it for a Sunday
afternoon.  Drive it a bit in conventional, and then shift into 'low range.'
For this discussion we will say that high range equates to a 3.08, and low
is a 4.56 (I know that this is all done in the tranmission/transfer assy,
but the effect is what counts).  You will quickly have an idea of what rear
axle ratios cause.  The low numerical ratios, say a 2.73 or one that is even
less will not have the feel of 'power' like a 4.56.  The 4.56 will
accelerate like crazy, but it will have very low top speed.

There are advantages to them all.  A properly set up car will have an axle
ratio that provides for what the car is intended to do.  A highway cruiser
should have a ration of say 2.5 (higher top end, and lower engine speed at
highway speeds), and a drag racer 4.0 to 4.5.  Engine operating statistics,
and to a lesser extent the transmission will massage these numbers until
something near perfect, for any particular combination, is found.

Also for the 4 wheel drive vehicle, get an old one with shifted transmission
ratios.  I have never driven one of the newer full time four wheel drives
and do now know how they vary from the old ones.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 03:58:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

At 10:52 PM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>C.R.F. wrote:
>>
>> Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
>> diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?
>>
>> My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
>> either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>>
>> The Wiz
>
>
>Wiz,
>
>The engines you are talking about are tugboat/small craft engines, built
>in the 60's.  They are Fairbanks-Morse (owned by Colt Industries, who
>also owns Holley) 8 1/8" bore opposed piston engines, normally of the 6
>cylinder variety, but could be 8, or even 12! (6 cylinder was 920 HP @
>720 rpm!!!).  The starting mechanism linkage would spin the engine to
>start in either direction, and also change the camshaft (for the
>injectors, since it had no valves) and crank timing depending on the
>direction the engine was started.  I served 11 years in the U.S. Navy
>submarine force, but I was an instructor for 4 years on the
>Fairbanks-Morse diesel engine operation and maintenance.
>
>Does this help?  The other guy is wrong.....sorry to say.
>
>Mike Rothe
>

Thanks Mike,

We are bearing down on a good set of data for my neighbor. Actually the
engines I have knowledge of are Busch-Sulzer.  They made most of the engines
for the WWI submarine force, and many for the WWII, as well as other smaller
craft.  The guys at Busch-Sulzer called Fairbanks-Morse,
'Fairbanks-Remorse,' as they didn't consider their product as satisfactory.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:10:49 -0300
Subject: Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~

At 12:54 AM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 04:18 AM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>     Well, I found the new engine for the Rockit today.  Another 425.  Early
>>next week I'll be picking up my "new" (yeah!) '67 Toro :)  Man those things
>>were cool!

>DO IT! DO IT! DO IT! The '66 will bolt on, and who needs a hood? ;)
>
  About that Toro-virus innoculation:  Anyone have info about potential
cures?  I'm
>>starting to show early warning signs...  Oh well, I guess.
>
>With just a front-clip swap, you'll own the greatest (in sheer mass, if in
>nothing else...) Postwar American Road Car! How can you refuse? Tell you
>what; get it driving again, and if you don't have any urge to see that
>barrel speedometer rotating wildly as you approach 135mph, _then_ you can
>use the engine in your Rockit. BUT, then you'll just have to rebuild the
>Rockit's 425 and install *that* in the Toro...

Well, I think I've already gotten myself talked into building the Toro!
(even before this post!)  My intents lie around getting it fired up and
running (someone stole the carb, air cleaner, and wheels, and the intake has
mouse nests in it!) and drive it for a week or two, just 'cuz.  Then, I'll
pull the 425 out of it, after I know what it can do :)  Then, I can take the
455 that I lunched earlier (Rockit 4) and pull the crank out, and use the
425 crank (Rockit 5) and put it in the 455 block.  The 425's lower end is
good, and the 455's block, rods, and pistons are good.  Soooo, I can ~then~
put the newly created 425 in the Toro, and buy that other Toro as a parts
car!  (Damn, that'd put me up to 15.5!  Now, if I could just get them ~all~
in one picture...)  And since the '66 doesn't have a hood, I just as well
make the engine stick out far enough to make it look like there's a reason
the hood's off....    Uh, maybe I'd better just find some wheels to put on
it, first!  :(  I've got plenty of time to dream about it!

Oh, yeah, Drooling point.  All the glass is perfect!  (Even the windshield,
not so much as a chip!)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: "Steve C. Luth" <sclmusic@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 04:04:41 -0300
Subject: Fw: 1959 Olds

- ----------
> From: Steve C. Luth <sclmusic@worldnet.att.net>
> To: 76062.3042@compuserve.com
> Subject: 1959 Olds
> Date: Sunday, April 20, 1997 11:58 PM
>
> Hi:
>
> I just bought, at $35, the guide to the 1959 Miss America Pageant
> and there is an ad in there that is unique.
>
> It has "a" Miss America riding in a '59 convertible Olds and the
> caption on top reads "You can't Miss America's Car of the Year"
>
> It goes on to says "Regal Glamour For America's Reigning Beauty"
> It then says..."A queen with the stature pf Miss America just naturally
> will travel first class.  Wherever she goes, she will arrive in beauty of
> the first class magnitude...Oldsmobile.  You too, will feel like royalty
in
> an Olds.  By every measure, it is the reigning beauty - and the value
> leader - of the medium-price class.  Pleasure-test it at your dealer's
> today!"
>
> The ad's in black and white and I want to keep the magazine, but
> for $6 plus $1.50 posatge, I'll make a color laser photocopy which
> will be better than the original.  It will still be black and white of
> course but it will look sharp.  Please let me know if you'd be
> interested in having one of these, and please pass on my offer
> as well to other Olds collectors.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> sclmusic@worldnet.att.net

------------------------------

From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:17:06 -0300
Subject: Fwd: 1997 Darwin Award (fwd)

In a message dated 97-04-20 12:26:47 EDT, MIKEDUNCAN writes:

DARWIN AWARD WINNER FOR 1997 ANNOUNCED

You all know about the Darwin AwardsIt's an annual honor
given to the person who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing
themselves in the most extraordinarily stupid way.The 1995 winner was the
fellow who was killed by a Coke machine which toppled over on top of him as
he was attempting to tip a free soda out of it.
In 1996 the winner was an airforce sergeant who attached a
JATO unit to his car and crashed into a cliff several hundred feet above the
roadbed.
And now, the 1997 winner: Larry Waters of Los Angelesone of
the few Darwin winners to survive his award winning accomplishment.
Larry's boyhood dream was to fly. When he graduated from high
school, he joined the Air Force in hopes of becoming a pilot. Unfortunately,
poor
eyesight disqualified him. When he was finally discharged, he had to satisfy
himself with watching jets fly over his back yard.
One day, Larry had a bright idea. He decided to fly. He went to
the local Army-Navy surplus store and purchased 45 weather balloons
and several tanks of helium. The weather balloons, when fully inflated, would
 measure more than four feet across.
Back home, Larry securely strapped the balloons to his sturdy lawn chair. He
anchored the chair to the bumper of his jeep and inflated the balloons with
the helium. He climbed on for a test while it was still only a few feet above
the ground.
Satisfied it would work, Larry packed several sandwiches and a six-pack of
Miller Lite, loaded his pellet gun,figuring he could pop a few balloons when
it was time to descendand went back to the floating lawn chair. He tied
himself in, along with his pellet gun and provisions. Larry's plan was to
lazily float up to a height of about 30 feet above his back yard after
severing the anchor and in a few hours come back down.
 Things didn't quite work out that way.
 When he cut the cord anchoring the lawn chair to his jeep, he didn't float
lazily up to 30 or so feet. Instead he streaked into the LA sky as if shot
from a cannon.
He didn't level off at 30 feet, nor did he level off at 100 feet. After
climbing and climbing, he levelled off at 11,000 feet. At that height he
couldn't risk shooting any of the balloons, lest he unbalance the load and
really find himself in trouble. So he stayed there, drifting, cold and
frightened, for more than 14 hours.
Then he really got in trouble.
He found himself drifting into the the primary approach corridor of Los
Angeles International Airport. A United pilot first spotted Larry. He radioed
the tower and
described passing a guy in a lawn chair with a gun. Radar confirmed the
existence of an object floating 11,000 feet above the airport.LAX emergency
procedures swung into full alert and a helicopter was dispatched to
investigate.
LAX is right on the ocean. Night was falling and the offshore breeze began to
flow. It carried Larry out to sea with the helicopter in hot pursuit. Several
miles out, the helicopter caught up with Larry. Once the crew determined that
Larry was not dangerous, they attempted to close in for a rescue but the
draft from the blades would push Larry away whenever they neared.
Finally, the helicopter ascended to a position several hundred feet above
Larry and lowered a rescue line. Larry snagged the line and was hauled back
to shore. The difficult maneuver was flawlessly executed by the helicopter
crew. As soon as Larry was hauled to earth, he was arrested by waiting
members of the LAPD for violating LAX airspace.
As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover
the daring rescue asked why he had done it. Larrry stopped, turned and
replied nonchalantly,  "A man can't just sit around."
Let's hear it for Larry Walters, the 1997 Darwin Award Winner.

Thought you guys would appreciate this, if you haven't heard it before!!!

Katana72
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Forwarded message:
Subj:    Fwd: 1997 Darwin Award (fwd)
Date:    97-04-20 12:26:47 EDT
From:    MIKEDUNCAN
To:      Katana72


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Subj:    Fwd: Re: Fwd: 1997 Darwin Award (fwd)
Date:    97-04-19 21:56:02 EDT
From:    TweetyB36
To:      SDSPAGUY,Elmo261396,KRUTZ0166
To:      MIKEDUNCAN


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Date:    97-04-19 14:15:09 EDT
From:    IBJayette
To:      CarpeVis@inetworld.net,Nielsen91
To:      zalacj@voyager.net
To:      harley@genesisnetwork.net
To:      dpsdsp@uclink.berkeley.edu
To:      HumorMe K
To:      mfende29@baste.magibox.net,Lovegaia
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From:dpsdsp@uclink.berkeley.edu (Deirdre Semoff)
To:IBJayette@aol.com
Date: 97-04-18 14:43:00 EDT

At 10:09 AM 04/17/1997, Mary Anne Glazar wrote:
>It's stories like this that make ME feel really intelligent...  M.A.
>
>>References: Conversation
><Pine.A32.3.91.970416085835.17090A-100000@dewey.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca> with
>last message
><Pine.A32.3.91.970416085835.17090A-100000@dewey.vpl.vancouver.bc.ca>
>>Priority: Normal
>>To: Annie Agard <ahabt@aol.com>, Debbie Willis <DEclectic@aol.com>,
>>        Ellen Agard <eagard@sph.jhu.edu>, Jody Palmer <Isahawk@aol.com>,
>>        Jane Super <yowlingone@aol.com>, Krissy280@aol.com,
>>        Leslie Zemenek-Home <lzemenek@creative.net>,
>>        Mary Anne Glazar <glazar@uclink4.berkeley.edu>,
>>        Mary Emde <marydemde@aol.com>, bob <cmmgt@lex.infi.net>
>>From: Alexis Broch <abroch@vornet.com>
>>Subject: Fwd: 1997 Darwin Award (fwd)
>>Date: Wed, 16 Apr 97 16:31:31 PDT
>>
>>
>>
>>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>DARWIN AWARD WINNER FOR 1997 ANNOUNCED
>>
>>You all know about the Darwin AwardsIt's an annual honor
>>given to the person
>>who did the gene pool the biggest service by killing themselves in
>>the most
>>extraordinarily stupid way.
>>
>>The 1995 winner was the fellow who was killed by a Coke
>>machine which toppled
>>over on top of him as he was attempting to tip a free soda out of
>>it.
>>
>>In 1996 the winner was an airforce sergeant who attached a
>>JATO unit to his car
>>and crashed into a cliff several hundred feet above the roadbed.
>>
>>And now, the 1997 winner: Larry Waters of Los Angelesone of
>>the few Darwin
>>winners to survive his award winning accomplishment.
>>
>>Larry's boyhood dream was to fly. When he graduated from high
>>school, he joined
>>the Air Force in hopes of becoming a pilot. Unfortunately, poor
>>eyesight
>>disqualified him. When he was finally discharged, he had to satisfy
>>himself
>>with watching jets fly over his back yard.
>>
>>One day, Larry had a bright idea. He decided to fly. He went to
>>the local
>>Army-Navy surplus store and purchased 45 weather balloons
>>and several tanks of
>>helium. The weather balloons, when fully inflated, would measure
>>more than four
>>feet across.
>>
>>Back home, Larry securely strapped the balloons to his sturdy
>>lawn chair. He
>>anchored the chair to the bumper of his jeep and inflated the
>>balloons with the
>>helium. He climbed on for a test while it was still only a few feet
>>above the
>>ground.
>>
>>Satisfied it would work, Larry packed several sandwiches and a
>>six-pack of
>>Miller Lite, loaded his pellet gunfiguring he could pop a few
>>balloons when it
>>was time to descendand went back to the floating lawn chair.
>>He tied himself
>>in, along with his pellet gun and provisions. Larry's plan was to
>>lazily float
>>up to a height of about 30 feet above his back yard after severing
>>the anchor
>>and in a few hours come back down.
>>
>>Things didn't quite work out that way.
>>
>>When he cut the cord anchoring the lawn chair to his jeep, he
>>didn't float
>>lazily up to 30 or so feet. Instead he streaked into the LA sky as
>>if shot from
>>a cannon.
>>
>>He didn't level off at 30 feet, nor did he level off at 100 feet. After
>>climbing and climbing, he levelled off at 11,000 feet. At that
>>height he
>>couldn't risk shooting any of the balloons, lest he unbalance the
>>load and
>>really find himself in trouble. So he stayed there, drifting, cold and
>>frightened, for more than 14 hours.
>>
>>Then he really got in trouble.
>>
>>He found himself drifting into the the primary approach corridor
>>of Los Angeles
>>International Airport.
>>
>>A United pilot first spotted Larry. He radioed the tower and
>>described passing
>>a guy in a lawn chair with a gun. Radar confirmed the existence of
>>an object
>>floating 11,000 feet above the airport.
>>
>>LAX emergency procedures swung into full alert and a helicopter
>>was dispatched
>>to investigate.
>>
>>LAX is right on the ocean. Night was falling and the offshore
>>breeze began to
>>flow. It carried Larry out to sea with the helicopter in hot pursuit.
>>
>>Several miles out, the helicopter caught up with Larry. Once the
>>crew
>>determined that Larry was not dangerous, they attempted to close
>>in for a
>>rescue but the draft from the blades would push Larry away
>>whenever they
>>neared.
>>
>>Finally, the helicopter ascended to a position several hundred feet
>>above Larry
>>and lowered a rescue line. Larry snagged the line and was hauled
>>back to shore.
>> The difficult maneuver was flawlessly executed by the helicopter
>>crew.
>>
>>As soon as Larry was hauled to earth, he was arrested by waiting
>>members of the
>>LAPD for violating LAX airspace.
>>
>>As he was led away in handcuffs, a reporter dispatched to cover
>>the daring
>>rescue asked why he had done it. Larrry stopped, turned and
>>replied
>>nonchalantly,
>>"A man can't just sit around."
>>
>>
>>Let's hear it for Larry Walters, the 1997 Darwin Award Winner.
>>
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>>431-3000
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Deirdre Semoff
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Disabled Students' Program                     FAX:            510-643-9686
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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 08:51:28 -0300
Subject: Montana Cutlass?

Is that Cutlass still for sale in Montana?

What is the condition, mileage and such?

Thanks
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307 (with cracked ª7 piston, oops :(

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From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:23:55 -0300
Subject: Re: attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners

Matthew Mayer wrote:
>
> Jason Labay wrote:
> >
> > Question: Have any of you got replacement upper door panels from a
> > dealership recently? A 1987 442 is only 10 years old so I have to think
that > > there are some door panels left in the old GM parts bin. I need camel
tan > > upper door panels for my 80 442, but any year up to 1987 should work.
Also, > > has any 442 owners been able to order the inner door panel "442"
emblems? > > Curious. Thanks..... > > - - - - - - - - - - - > Jason, >    the
442 emblems are long since gone...I did get a pair from a guy in > NJ a few
months ago.  They were in OK shape, they were either factory > rejects or
bounced around in a box alot as the black edging around the > nu,bers was all
chipped up.  I haven't attempted to touch them up yet to > see if I can make
them look good.  E-mail me privately and I will try to > dig up his address... 
>
 > ---Matt > '86 442 > mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com


At a swap meet yesterday (4/20/97) on Long Island, a vendor had all the
85-87 442 interior door emblems you could use....NEW !...$12.00 each !
Is the one your looking for silver with black outline and a red strip in
the center of each digit ? There's a show/swap on May 4, 1997 at
Firemans Field in Merrick, and also another further out on the island,
don't know which he'll be attending. I'll be at the Olds Spring-Dust
- -Off (Merrick). If he's there, and you, want let me know.

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

     Visit http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 4/14/97)

------------------------------

From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 09:40:47 -0300
Subject: Re: 70-72 Door

kdporter wrote:
>
> --
> I need a good rust free door for the drivers side for my rallye,mine
> looks great on the outside completely rotten on the inside.
> Thanks
>
> Kenny Porter
> 70'Rallye 350
> kdporter@midwest.net
Kenny,

I think I might be able to help you out.  I'l lhave more time later to
write, like after school.

Bryn Bodine
'70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
'71 442 (Mine)

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 22:56:11 -0300
Subject: Re:  Toronado Addition  - '66 Style

Inoculation seems futile this week - Chris Witt and his '68, my new '66 and
your '67!!  I only need O*N*E little part if you could spare it off the '66
parts car (and if its there, etc.) the front passenger wheel well molding.
Well I could also use 2 beauty rings and hubcap s too, but I'd settle for
the molding to start.

My *newest* baby needs mechanical TLC - one of those cars where instead of
finding out why something isn't working and fixing it properly - they
bypassed it or shut it off.  The valve cover bolts were barely finger tight
- - probably why they leaked like a sieve.  No trans fluid or water in the
radiator, but it had been sitting 5 years.  Still its only at 79,000 miles
so with care and attention, it oughta go a lot farther.

Dying to get it back together PROPERLY and have a chance to REALLY drive it!

Enjoy & good luck -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:05:36 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro VIN

Apparently someone way down the line misread the VIN tag on the Toro - the
title show's the H, but when you look closely at the plate, its a crummy M
- - sort of smeary looking!

Here is the cowl tag though - we haven't been able to determine what color
it was originally yet - but the whole firewall has this ghastly green over
spray - with all the vacuum lines coming off it it looks like something out
of Alien.

01C                        L
6639687  EUC 16337   (Body)
050 D                   SS   (Paint)
E2KR3P

Let me know - however, we've tentatively decided on painting it black with
a thin gold  pin striping.  The 16 yr. old didn't even stick her nose up at
it (the Toro).  Wow.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:43:59 -0300
Subject: Re: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners NON-OLDS!!!

Jason Labay wrote:

> headers, h-pipe, no cats, 2-chamber Flowmasters and lots of other mods I
                   ^^^^^^^
I would think that it would be illegal to drive a car that would have
come
with cats and to then remove them.  In California it is illegal I
beleive.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:12:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Electric Choke...

Michael R. Hall asked:

I am about to wire up a electric choke on my '72. Anyone out there
done this before? If so, where did you hook up the lead?...

          Mike,

          I've done this on a number of cars.  Factory installations
          typically use a switched 12 volt source (that is, the 12
          volts is on when the ignition switch is in the RUN
          position).  In addition, the factory runs this 12 v source
          through an oil pressure switch before powering the choke
          coil.  The reason for this is that you don't want the
          electric coil in the choke to start heating up until the
          engine is running (otherwise, the choke will pull off before
          the engine if fully warmed up).

          I've used an oil pressure switch from a Vega (I am not
          making this up!).  The Vega switch has three terminals.  The
          center one was used to operate the oil press idiot light,
          while the two side terminals are connected to an oil
          pressure switch which (in the Vega application) was used to
          turn the electric fuel pump off and on.  This works well
          with the electric choke, and you can still retain an idiot
          light for oil pressure (in addition to the gauge - which you
          can't be watching all the time).  Be sure to get the sending
          unit from a Vega without gauges.  Note that there are a
          number of other pressure switched now on the market, this is
          the one with which I have experience.

          More recently, I have added an electric choke to my 70 W-30
          using a relatively new Borg-Warner kit.  This setup cost me
          about $40 and includes a temp sensor which is installed
          under one of the bolts on the intake manifold, near a
          coolant passage.  The choke is actually controlled according
          to engine temperature, resulting in even better performance
          (the traditional electric choke is simply an open-loop
          heating coil which heats the bimetallic spring).  In
          addition, a traditional electric choke will cool more
          rapidly that the engine itself, resulting in excessive choke
          on a hot restart.  This B-W unit, with its temp sensor,
          prevents this from happening.  I've been pretty pleased with
          it, as you can tell.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 10:28:58 -0300
Subject: John Pajak: What's your e-mail?

     John,
     I've tried to send ya e-mail and it keeps bouncing back.  I've been
     using:

     Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil

     Help me buddy.

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
     (H) brad442@erols.com
     (W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov

------------------------------

From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:13:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb Problem?

Jeff Dick wrote:
> About a month ago it started running very rough when I started it up one
> morning.  Idled very badly (car shaking)  and would stall occasionally at
> stop lights.  Tried carb cleaner (no major improvement), ran premium gas and
>
> it stopped stalling, but still idles badly, overall acceleration and power
> seem low too (but could just be a perception problem at my end).

Jeff,
  I had a similar problem with my '86 442 a few years ago.  Check your
differential Pressure pressure sensor.  Its the little rectangular thing
mounted above your RH wheel well.  It tells the computer what the
difference is between atmospheric pressure and manifold pressure (i.e. -
how much/little vacuum is being produced by the engine...)

The top of my RH  A.I.R. tube had corroded away and broken off (with a
little help from the A*****e who recharged my A/C, I suspect...he taped
it back toegther with duct tape....).  when that happened, hot exhaust
was able to come back up and heat up the RH engine harness.  All I
thought it did was melt the protective plastic sheathing around the wire
bundle.

In among the wiring is a hard plastic tube that runs over to your
manifold absolute pressure sensor.  It was melted along with the sheath
rendering the sensor useless.  When this happened, I had the exact same
driveability problems you did...in stop and go traffic, I would have to
put the car in neutral and rev it to about 2000 rpm just to keep it
going.  I can't remember if I got a code out of it....I think I did, but
it was intermittent.  A quick way to check it is to take the sensor off
its mounts, disconnect the hard vacuum line and suck on the vacuum
input..(yum!!) ..if your idle smooths out, it's the sensor.  Then check
the vacuum line to see if there is actually vacuum there, then trace it
through to it's connection under the air cleaner.  If it's not all that,
let me know and I can go into more detail about how to check out the
sensor itself..

HTH

- ---Matt
'86 442
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:30:58 -0300
Subject: Re: What is this? WAS attn: 85-87 442/Calais owners NON-OLDS!!!

At 09:43 AM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jason Labay wrote:
>> headers, h-pipe, no cats, 2-chamber Flowmasters and lots of other mods I
>                   ^^^^^^^
>I would think that it would be illegal to drive a car that would have come
>with cats and to then remove them.  In California it is illegal I beleive.

We had a problem removing the cats from our car when I was growing up.
Seemed that when we'd park the car, a cat would like to crawl up into the
radiator shroud where it was nice and warm.

We originally thought the short "skreetch" upon startup was a fan belt or
power steering pump. Best way we found to remove the cat was a high-pressure
stream from a garden hose.

My uncle's a cop, and he used to remove his cats in the same manner. I'm
guessing this is a law peculiar to California.
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Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:37:12 -0300
Subject: Wanted:  Nice Rear-ends!?!

A buddy of mine is looking for a rear-end out a G-body that he can
transplant into car.  He wants posi-traction in the 3.XX range.  Would
prefer an 8.5" but will consider 7.5".  Must be in good condition.  Would
pay for shipping into Wisconsin or pick up if not too far away.

Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442Plates [1987 W42]

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:47:07 -0300
Subject: Re: New addition:  ~Rockit 6!~

At 03:10 AM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Well, I think I've already gotten myself talked into building the Toro!

Good boy! :)

>(even before this post!)  My intents lie around getting it fired up and
>running (someone stole the carb, air cleaner, and wheels, and the intake has
>mouse nests in it!) and drive it for a week or two, just 'cuz.  Then, I'll

Of course, you'll want to know the engine runs before you go and pull it
out. And it'd be nice to drive it once you get it running, won't it? And
once it's driveable, you'll have to register it and take it out for a couple
cruises, won't you? (slowly the disease takes complete control of Charlie's
conscious decisions...)

>pull the 425 out of it, after I know what it can do :)  Then, I can take the
>455 that I lunched earlier (Rockit 4) and pull the crank out, and use the
>425 crank (Rockit 5) and put it in the 455 block.  The 425's lower end is
>good, and the 455's block, rods, and pistons are good.  Soooo, I can ~then~

The 425's rods are shorter than the 455's. That'd cause some
compression/interference problems, I'd imagine.

>put the newly created 425 in the Toro, and buy that other Toro as a parts
>car!  (Damn, that'd put me up to 15.5!  Now, if I could just get them ~all~
>in one picture...)  And since the '66 doesn't have a hood, I just as well

I'd recommend an 8mm fisheye lens to get the whole gange in there (perhaps a
panoramic shot?)

>make the engine stick out far enough to make it look like there's a reason
>the hood's off....    Uh, maybe I'd better just find some wheels to put on
>it, first!  :(  I've got plenty of time to dream about it!

A 6-71 supercharger would look just right on a Toro, wouldn't it...?

>Oh, yeah, Drooling point.  All the glass is perfect!  (Even the windshield,
>not so much as a chip!)

That settles it; you've got to restore it, and drive it to Lansing!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 12:54:08 -0300
Subject: Re: The Carburetor Shop Address

In a message dated 4/18/97 7:15:21 PM, you wrote:

<<
     The Carburetor Shop
     8460 Red Oak Street
     Dept. 21017
     Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730
     Ph: (909) 481-5816
     Fx: (909) 481-5822>>

THESE GUYS ARE A WASTE OF A GOOD CARB CORE!

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:22:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

Head question
- -------------
WHERE is the number stamped on an olds 455 head? I couldn't find one
yesterday on the set I was investigating! (reply personally if you're
concerned about wasting bandwidth).  Thanx to anyone who could clarify this!

Non-olds backwards motor thing:
- -------------------------------
> >
I believe one of the new Skandic's (By Ski-Doo) has a button whereby the
machine kills the ignition, adjusts timing, and re-starts motor backwards
all for you.
Being new, this might be easier to find information about, possibly even
see one if you have a ski-doo dealer around.

1983 Olds 88 mileage update
- ---------------------------

A while back I asked for some imperical data on mileage for a 307-4spd
overdrive, and the figures were high.  Well, I guess the old Mom/Dad
finally got some of those high mpg's after some tuning, 30.76 miles per
Imperial gallon!  No wonder these car's still sell for such a high price!

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:38:05 -0300
Subject: Re: AM FM stereo

Please do look for that card, and send me the info...  Thanks!

Mark heiser mpheiser@aol.com

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:42:12 -0300
Subject: Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)

>Check any science supply stores. You might need to go mail order to one of
>these places. The big sci. store near myself only has 40cc and they want
>big bucks!

No discussion of science supply stores would be complete without a
mention of American Science & Surplus. All sorts of scientific stuff,
plus a ton of other oddball products, manufacturers' overruns and
gawd knows what-all else. Went to their store on the northwest side
of Chicago and spent about two hours roaming the aisles. Sort of like
a garage sale put on by some eccentric inventor. Lot of stuff there
for the do-it-yourself mechanic or engineer.

Great web site, too:

http://www.sciplus.com/

Found a "Pipettor" which might fit your needs:

http://www.sciplus.com/cgi-bin/basket/861640242.96/experiment/24628.html

Usual disclaimer applies...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Jason Beres <jberes@eagle1.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 13:50:12 -0300
Subject: RE: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

Erik Aksomatis wrote of an 1983 88 getting 30 + mpg with some tuning
adjustments

Are we talking about standard carb tweaking or what?  My 83 98 AT w/OD, at
cruising speed (75-80 mph) gets, at best, 22-23 mpg.

Tell us more!


Jason Beres
83 98 coupe

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