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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 30 April 1997      Volume 01 : Number 639

WJ & KB Hi-Perf engines & parts!!??
Re: Tire recommendation wanted
olds e-mail
Re: Olds Family
new member
Re: olds e-mail
Re: Olds Family
Re: '68 Cutlass 350
Re: looking for manifold
Re: olds e-mail
Re: HEATER
Re: olds e-mail
Re: SCOTT - Cowl Tag HELP!!!  (re-xmit)
Re: new member
Re: WJ & KB Hi-Perf engines & parts!!??
Re: parts
Re: HEATER
olds e-mail
Re: new member
Factory gages, 69 Olds 442
Ralley Pac, 69 Olds 442
Re: new member
'70 98 conv.
Re: 455 Manifold and carb
Re: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442
looking for exhaust manifold
Re: new member
Re: olds e-mail
Re: 455 Manifold and carb
Re: WJ & KB Hi-Perf engines & parts!!??
Re: Valves
Re: '70 98 conv.
Re: 72 Olds 98 2drht
Re: new member
Re: SSI Center caps & Jefferson WI, swap meet
74 cutlass cruiser
exhaust manifold
Re: 455 Manifold and carb
Re: 74 cutlass cruiser
Re: exhaust manifold
Re: 455 Manifold and carb
Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su
Re: Your favorite Olds on a credit card
Re: Ol' Toro now runs!
Re: TH 350 or TH400 ??
Re: removal of outside mirrors
Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su
69 Cutlass
Clearance Sale ª2 (4/30)
warriors better tire makers ????
Re: warriors better tire makers ????
Re: 72 Olds 98 2drht

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From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@mail.bright.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:43:48 -0300
Subject: WJ & KB Hi-Perf engines & parts!!??

All,

I know there are some heavy duty performance olds folks out there so
when I came across the following ads I thought I'd see what you know. I
didn't get the numbers b/c I didn't want to pay the subsription price but am
nevertheless curious about their content.


Ad ª1:   Johnson Olds KB, 452cid engine for sale.  Complete heads to pan.
Includes many extra spare parts and comes with spare set of Johnson
Stage Two heads. Parts also include new and used pistons, 4.375 bore,
foursets of new Howard rods, 6.975. Many misc. Olds big block parts.  Heads
complete with valve train.  All parts priced to sell. Pennsylvania


Ad ª2:  New 540ci KB Olds blowermotor. 10,700 tall, Dart heads, 14-71,
Buzzard. From Oddy's Auto $26,000 OHIO
(If you've got a spare $26 Grand sitting around the house it looks
like a pretty good deal!!!)


The first engine sounds like it may be of the Warren Johnson Pro-Stock
variety..??  Did WJ & KB work together on the blocks?

http://www.milgarage.com/issue/motors/motors.htm




Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:47:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire recommendation wanted

Wouldn't the compound have anything to do with how a tires wear?  I mean,
if it's a soft compound I'd think it'd wear faster than a harder compound.
It could be that your Firestones were too soft for regular street driving.
Also, if your Grand Fury's suspension's not in decent condition, wouldn't
that also contribute to premature tire wear?
My Firestones have worn very well and give great traction in the corners.


       Jim Townsend
On Tue, 29 Apr 1997 Kabootski@aol.com wrote:

> Last thing on tires... the ST's do shread up easy.  I have GT+4 on my Buick
> Century T-type and that car can take 20-25 mph turns at 50 without
squealing. >  My Grand Fury police car, which by its nature should have a
heavy-duty > suspension, squealed through similar turns with a Firestone
performance tire, > which wore out after 7500 miles anyway.  And Firestone
claimed my car was at > fault... > > I told Firestone where to stick it and
have bought Goodyear and Dunlop ever > since. > > Duane > 1970 Cutlass
Supreme convertible > 1989 Buick Century T-type > >

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From: terry fletke <fletke@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 20:57:43 -0300
Subject: olds e-mail

I have been receiving increasing numbers of e-mail since joining the
service. I am currently up to 500 messages after only a week. A majority
of these messages appear to be ones which I previously downloaded. Am I
doing something wrong or is the duplication problem at the server end.
HELP!!!

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:30:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Family

Philip J Clarke wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> My name is Philip James Clarke. I am a decendant of the Olds Family. I am a
New Zealander currently living in the Middle East. I am planning to travel
home to New Zealand through the United States in a few months time and would
like to trace members of my family and visit Oldsmobile plants if possible. > >
I am a great great nephew of Ransom E. Olds. I am the son of Christina (nee)
Olds the youngest daughter of Francis E. Olds who was the youngest son of
James Olds who came from Cornwall to New Zealand in 1883, whose father, also
James Olds,  followed him to New Zealand a few years later. > > I would be
grateful for any contact information you could provide me or give me another
avenue to pursue for this information. > > Kind regards, > > Philip J.
Clarke. > > P.O.Box 53614 > Jumeirah > Dubai > United Arab Emirates > ph/fax
(00971-4) 513 783 > email: pjclarke@emirates.net.ae

Philip:

It's cool to see an actual decendant of THE R.E.Olds!  I while ago, a
new subscriber named John Rock (former Olds general manager) wrote in
and caused some commotion...

I'm not sure where to look for family information other than the Olds
History Center...the phone ª was posted here a while back...could
somebody help me out on this one?  OldsHeidi@aol.com is a good contact
regarding the Centennial Celebration in August where they are sure to
have plant tours.

IMHO, "Setting the Pace" by Early and Walkinshaw is an _excellent_
source for information you don't see often in auto books: people and
cultural information.  There are thousands of pictures of plants from
the 1910's to the present.  An _excellent_ book to get...again, I'd send
an email to OldsHeidi@aol.com for this information.

Hope this helps / Cheers

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: Mike Siedlik <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:51:42 -0300
Subject: new member

Hi All,
    My name is Mike Siedlik,from Nebraska, my wife and I own a 1966 f85
deluxe 442 with the track-pac option. 1970 cutlass W-31. 1970 442 W-30.
1970 cutlass Ralley 350. 1970 442 convt. PACE CAR. 1986 Hurst Aero. 1992
Achieva SCX. plus N>O>S>  and used parts.

THANKS,
Mike & Barb
OCAª 8358

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:04:06 -0300
Subject: Re: olds e-mail

terry fletke wrote:
>
> I have been receiving increasing numbers of e-mail since joining the
> service. I am currently up to 500 messages after only a week. A majority
> of these messages appear to be ones which I previously downloaded. Am I
> doing something wrong or is the duplication problem at the server end.
> HELP!!!
I don't think your doing anything wrong.  After I get home from school
everyday and check my mail, I have 90+ messages from the Olds mailing
list.  Alot of the messages seem to have the same name because people
respond to them and don't change the name.  If I let my mail go for a
week, I would also have 500+ messages to go through, and I can imagine
how frustrating that must be.  If I were you I would check your mail
about once a day, atleast once every two days.  You need to be carefull
because your internet provider usually limits you to so many messages in
terms of how many bytes they are, and If you go over the limit, you
might not be able to recieve mail, I'm not sure, I have never overloaded
my mailbox before.  So just be carefull.

Bryan Bodine
'70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
'71 442 (Mine)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 21:57:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Family

Philip, it's really neat to have a descendant of R. E. Olds here. In
addition to the info provided earlier, perhaps you can try the R. E. Olds
Museum in Lansing, Michigan. Penny Ruff is the curator, and her email
address is reolds@voyager.net

Good luck, and let us know what transpires.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:05:10 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass 350

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, Bohn,Ray wrote:

> My son and I recently acquired a 1968 Cutlass Supreme, 2dr Hardtop. We

A '68 Supreme is quite uncommon these days. Most people seem to think that
a Cutlass S means it's a Supreme, but they were a seperate higher-end
model back then. They had the side moldings mounted a few inches above the
rockers and away from the wheel openings, with a silver contrasting color
below and the main body color above. Very spiffy. And an upgraded interior
too. I'd love to see your car... hope you can get some pics on Bryceman's
page.

> Body:
> We have been unable to locate any kind of "Patch Panels" for the area
>  around the rear wheel openings. Any ideas?

Repro quarter panels are being manufactured and are not too expensive.
Even if you throw away the upper half that you may not need. On a nice
car it's probably worth it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:11:25 -0300
Subject: Re: looking for manifold

Yorcoy@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm looking for a W-35 single outlet exhaust manifold, RIGHT side, for a
455. > If you can help I would appreciate it.

One question.
What does a rear deck spoiler (W35) have to do with an exhaust manifold?

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:22:21 -0300
Subject: Re: olds e-mail

At 20:57 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have been receiving increasing numbers of e-mail since joining the
>service. I am currently up to 500 messages after only a week. A majority
>of these messages appear to be ones which I previously downloaded. Am I
>doing something wrong or is the duplication problem at the server end.
>HELP!!!
>
>
   Many may be replies to previous messages but your going to have to delete
the ones that your not interrested in or else you'll shortly fill-up a
couple of megs of disc space if your saving them all.

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From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:24:53 -0300
Subject: Re: HEATER

I would imagine that an 82 Olds 98 would have the tempmatic system  It
was designed to self regulate the temperature inside the car.  Behind the
glovebox is a programmer that regulates(automatically) the heater door.
I've experienced this when they go bad.  I've also had pretty good luck
finding them in the junque yarde.  Take two if they're cheap.  I think
anything 1980-84 will work and you can hook the vacume hose w/o
completely installing the unit to see if it works.
Good luck, Tom Adams

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, KINSMAN C KOSIN wrote:

> I HAVE 1982 MODEL 98 AND I CAN NOT SHUT OFF THE HEATER. I HAVE REPLACED
> THE WATER CONTROL VALVE UNDER THE HOOD AND THE VACUME VALVE ON THE BACK
> OF HEATER ,AC CONTROL ON THE DASH. IN THE OFFF\ POSITION I STILL GET
> HEAT OUT WHEN CAR IS MOVING. THE ONLY WAY TO SHUT OF HEAT IS TO PUT
> CONTROL IN AC POSITION. THE TEMP CONTROL HAS NO EFFECT ON TEMP AT ALL.
> HELP!!!!
>
> KINSMAN C KOSIN 1539 COUNTY RD6310 WEST PLAINS MO 65775-6323
> KINSK@TOWNSQR.COM            417 257 0606
>
>
>

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:25:46 -0300
Subject: Re: olds e-mail

terry fletke wrote:
>
> I have been receiving increasing numbers of e-mail since joining the
> service. I am currently up to 500 messages after only a week.

That seems about right.

> A majority of these messages appear to be ones which I previously
> downloaded.

Are you sure there not replies? ("Re:")

> Am I doing something wrong or is the duplication problem at the server
> end.

Two possibilities: You're not configured to remove the mail from the
server after you've download it or you're interupting the download before
it complete -- leaving messages on your server.

> HELP!!!

No way!   ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:31:22 -0300
Subject: Re: SCOTT - Cowl Tag HELP!!!  (re-xmit)

On Tue, 29 Apr 1997, smardale@airmail.net wrote:

> ? ???       = Unreadable; can't find any info on what it COULD be.

I'd have to see another body tag in person to figure out what this may be.
Unfortuneately, my '98 is in the garage 15 miles away from me so I can't
look at it.  I don't think the '72 would be a good example to use.  Maybe
someone else with a '65 or '66 could post their tag so I can see what
their's looks like.

> 4T          = I think I got this right, though I don't know what it means.

This one has me a bit confused.  4 is for group 4, but there is no T in
group 4.  There is a C which is chrome side window sill moldings, an H
which is chrome upper body side moldings, and there's a V which is 442 W29
side trim.  V seems to make sense here, since you've got a 442.  There is
a T option, for a power antenna, but it is in group 2.

Now that I've thought about it, your ?????s are probably option codes,
too.  Group 1 doesn't ever seem to use the 1, just the option code, which
would explain the single ?.  ??? sounds like it would be either a 2 or a 3
followed by two option codes.  Can you make any of this out?

> I'm especially stumped on the last two bits of info on the tag.  I would
> deeply appreciate any info you might be able to provide, or suggestions on
> who might be able to help.

This information came from the May '93 issue of JWO.  The name on the
article is:

Joel Fantle
3980 Tyler St. N.E.
Columbia Heights, MN  55421
Day phone (612)-788-6679
Evening phone (612)-781-6396

Maybe he can help you more.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:36:52 -0300
Subject: Re: new member

Mike Siedlik wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>     My name is Mike Siedlik,from Nebraska, my wife and I own a 1966 f85
> deluxe 442 with the track-pac option. 1970 cutlass W-31. 1970 442 W-30.
> 1970 cutlass Ralley 350. 1970 442 convt. PACE CAR. 1986 Hurst Aero. 1992
> Achieva SCX. plus N>O>S>  and used parts.
>
> THANKS,
> Mike & Barb
> OCAª 8358
welcome to olds country. Just got a few ? for ya. A 66 F-85 442 deluxe
w/a l-69 option?????????? It can't be a deluxe, or a F-85? The l-69
option was part of a full race package. A friend of mine knows a guy in
MN who has half of them ever made, there was only 50 something of the
cars made from the fact. The l-69 was also a dealer opt. all together
there are less than 100 of these cars. You could have a deluxe 442 (a
442 is not a F-85, they are both cutlass's 2 diff packages) with a
dealer installed trac-pac(radio, heater delete??). I also didn't know
that they made a Hurst aerocoupe in 86...please send pics. Also the 70
pace car, I thought they were in 72 not 70?? The same friend of mine is
in the midst of trading a 66 trac-pac for the original V/O Twister
(Mondellos) its been sitting in his dads cousins barn for at least 20
years now.

Marty
68 442
72 nova
69 nova copo
64 corvette

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:52:18 -0300
Subject: Re: WJ & KB Hi-Perf engines & parts!!??

At 08:43 PM 4/29/97 -0300, Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:

>Ad ª1:   Johnson Olds KB, 452cid engine for sale.  Complete heads to pan.
>Includes many extra spare parts and comes with spare set of Johnson
>Stage Two heads. Parts also include new and used pistons, 4.375 bore,
>foursets of new Howard rods, 6.975. Many misc. Olds big block parts.  Heads
>complete with valve train.  All parts priced to sell. Pennsylvania
>
>
>Ad ª2:  New 540ci KB Olds blowermotor. 10,700 tall, Dart heads, 14-71,
>Buzzard. From Oddy's Auto $26,000 OHIO
>(If you've got a spare $26 Grand sitting around the house it looks
>like a pretty good deal!!!)

Are you sure Oddy's isn't Otie's? There is an Otie's Auto here in Akron that
builds race engines, good ones too. That price actually sounds real good on
that engine. New 355cu in/700hp short track long blocks go for about that.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5, PEG2, TFX cat-back, Mobil 1(eng. & diff.),
Fram HP-4 oil filter,  Firehawk SVX tires
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
coming soon: SLP headers, 150 Nitrous kit and low 12 second e.t's that will
get its
ass kicked by an 89 T/TA from Texas......;-O
80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30: show car... http://www.442.com/labay.html


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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:54:53 -0300
Subject: Re: parts

At 05:49 PM 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>who ia a good scource for old/new stock of 1975 88 Olds Royale Conv. side
>mouldings,chrome emblems,steering wheels (original equipment) ????
>
>Thank You
>CK1951@AOL.COM

If you find anything out, please let me know.  I've got a '75 88 convert,
too, and I've only been able to find good used.  As far as the long vinyl
side molding that runs the length of the car on each side, Olds stopped
making this many years ago (I checked at the parts counter of the local
Olds dealer).  The one I put on my car came from J.C. Whitney, and I'm
quite pleased with it.  I know that Whitney gets put down quite a bit on
here, but they do have _some_ good stuff, and I'd certainly recommend their
vinyl moldings.  They come with the modern 3M adhesive to hold them on.  No
gluing or drilling holes.

As far as chrome emblems, good luck.  My car need the "Delta 88" scripts on
both sides (they're right behind each front wheel well) because the
previous owner who had the car painted didn't bother to have them put back
on.  I found out that Olds used the same script design for many years
(something like 1973 to 1985), so I went to a junkyard, found an early '80s
Olds 88 with scripts in decent condition, and pried them off carefully.  In
'75, the scripts were mounted through holes drilled in the metal.  But the
later ones where made of plastic and were mounted with adhesive.  I found
some good adhesive at the auto parts store and glued them on.  They look
pretty good, and no one would ever be able to tell them apart from
hole-mounted ones unless they looked closely.

If you're looking for other trim pieces, I'd get a recent copy of Hemmings
and call some of the junkyards out west who advertise as having Olds parts.
 One guy in particular I recommend is Larry Camuso of West Coast Sheet
Metal in San Jose, California.  He advertises in Hemmings, and I've bought
lots of stuff from him.





************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:01:55 -0300
Subject: Re: HEATER

At 10:24 PM 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I would imagine that an 82 Olds 98 would have the tempmatic system  It
>was designed to self regulate the temperature inside the car.  Behind the
>glovebox is a programmer that regulates(automatically) the heater door.
>I've experienced this when they go bad.  I've also had pretty good luck
>finding them in the junque yarde.  Take two if they're cheap.  I think
>anything 1980-84 will work and you can hook the vacume hose w/o
>completely installing the unit to see if it works.
>Good luck, Tom Adams

My '75 88 has the "tempmatic" air conditioner, too, and I've never been
able to figure out what makes it different from the "regular" air
conditioner, which just had a "hot-cold" temperature slide, or the
"comfortron," which had a dial indicator so that you could dial up a
temperature they way you do with your home thermostat.  The tempmatic has a
slide lever like the regular airconditioner, but it has temperature
markings, running from 65 to 85, instead of just the words "hot" at one end
and "cold" at the other.  I've never noted it to do anything other than
what a regular a/c system would do.  How is it "better" than the regular
A/C but not as good as the comfortron?

Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:33:28 -0300
Subject: olds e-mail

OL>I have been receiving increasing numbers of e-mail since joining the
OL>service. I am currently up to 500 messages after only a week. A majority
OL>of these messages appear to be ones which I previously downloaded. Am I
OL>doing something wrong or is the duplication problem at the server end.
OL>HELP!!!

I have the same problem. 4-5 messages get repeated every day. I will be
changing servers in a couple weeks I post if this problem changes.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:34:28 -0300
Subject: Re: new member

Mike Siedlik wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>     My name is Mike Siedlik,from Nebraska, my wife and I own a 1966 f85
> deluxe 442 with the track-pac option. 1970 cutlass W-31. 1970 442 W-30.
> 1970 cutlass Ralley 350. 1970 442 convt. PACE CAR. 1986 Hurst Aero. 1992
> Achieva SCX. plus N>O>S>  and used parts.

Now thats what I call an Olds fan!

Jeff.

'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 Conv.

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From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:15:09 -0300
Subject: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442

I'm finally getting around to installing my factory ralley pac but I
need advice concerning the oil pressure gage.  The car had an underdash
instrument package installed when I bought it.  The clear plastic line
to the oil pressure gage was attached to a compression fitting between
the waterpump and the block.  I bought a Delco oil pressure sending unit
from Year One but it won't fit in the same location since the OD of the
body is too large.  It comes in contact with the block.  I think they
sent me the right sending unit.....is this the right location or does it
mount elsewhere.  I can't find any information in the Service Manual.
HELP!!!!!  Wayne Schwartz

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From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:54:04 -0300
Subject: Ralley Pac, 69 Olds 442

I'm finally getting around to installing my ralley pac but I need
advice.  The car had an underdash gage package when I bought it.  A
clear plastic line connected the oil pressure gage to a fitting between
the water pump and the front of the block.  I bought a oil pressure
sending unit from Year One and I believe its the correct one.....but due
to its OD it comes into contact with the block when I try to position it
in the same threaded hole.  Is this the correct location for the sending
unit.....I can't find a reference in the Service Manual.  HELP!!!

Wayne Schwartz
wschwart@IAW.on.ca

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From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:51:38 -0300
Subject: Re: new member

Mike Siedlik wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>     My name is Mike Siedlik,from Nebraska, my wife and I own a 1966 f85
> deluxe 442 with the track-pac option. 1970 cutlass W-31. 1970 442 W-30.
> 1970 cutlass Ralley 350. 1970 442 convt. PACE CAR. 1986 Hurst Aero. 1992
> Achieva SCX. plus N>O>S>  and used parts.
>
> THANKS,
> Mike & Barb
> OCAª 8358
Mike got you message ok, let me know if you need help with the E-mail or
internet.

John Oder

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 22:56:30 -0300
Subject: '70 98 conv.

I called about an ad in the paper today about a '70 98 conv. It's got
power everything (seats don't work). He said the top will go down butt
needs help going. He thinks it's low on fluid. I would think if it was
low on fluid it would have a hard time going down, because doesn't it
lift up a little before it goes down? Pump or something else? The floor
and trunk are solid and only has body rust around rear wheel wells he
says.No motor but I have a complete 425 in the garage so thats no
problem. Vinyl interior no rips but has water damage from leaking top
(floors solid?). Wants $600 but will come down. What do y'all think?
Wife said she doesn't want it if it's a big car. I told her it's only a
little bigger than the Dynamic.

Daren

O.C.A. ª 23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:57:05 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

In a message dated 97-04-29 13:56:28 EDT, you write:

<<  have recently aquired a 455 manifold and a carb.
 I am trying to identify them.  The carb is ª7044997.  The manifold has
412753 stamped on it >>
the carb is a 74 455 carb and the intake is 1974 455 4bbl L-74, L-75

W MACHINES

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 14:18:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Factory gages, 69 Olds 442

>I'm finally getting around to installing my factory ralley pac but I
>need advice concerning the oil pressure gage.  The car had an underdash
>instrument package installed when I bought it.  The clear plastic line
>to the oil pressure gage was attached to a compression fitting between
>the waterpump and the block.  I bought a Delco oil pressure sending unit
>from Year One but it won't fit in the same location since the OD of the
>body is too large.  It comes in contact with the block.  I think they
>sent me the right sending unit.....is this the right location or does it
>mount elsewhere.  I can't find any information in the Service Manual.
>HELP!!!!!  Wayne Schwartz

You need the oil sender adapter to go with it.  It's basically a 45 degree
elbow that screws into the block.  The sending unit then screws into the
elbow.  Year one lists a new GM adapter for $19.35 in their `93 catalog.
You could go to the hardware store and piece together an adapter out of
brass fittings if you're not concerned with originality.  It won't look as
pretty but it will serve the purpose and be cheaper.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:11:59 -0300
Subject: looking for exhaust manifold

I'm looking for a W-35 single outlet, RIGHT side, exhaust manifold for a 455.
Please respond with any info. THANKS
Rick
yorcoy@aol.com

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:18:54 -0300
Subject: Re: new member

At 08:51 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>    My name is Mike Siedlik,from Nebraska, my wife and I own a 1966 f85
>deluxe 442 with the track-pac option. 1970 cutlass W-31. 1970 442 W-30.
>1970 cutlass Ralley 350. 1970 442 convt. PACE CAR. 1986 Hurst Aero. 1992
>Achieva SCX. plus N>O>S>  and used parts.

Hey, no fair! How'd you get to keep all the good cars?

"Mom, Mike and Barb took all the good cars, and they won't share with us..."

;)

Welcome to the list; I'm sure some people here will be interested in the
Hurst Aero (one guy here as two uninstalled kits, but I don't think anyone
has a car with it installed)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:18:57 -0300
Subject: Re: olds e-mail

At 07:57 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have been receiving increasing numbers of e-mail since joining the
>service. I am currently up to 500 messages after only a week. A majority
>of these messages appear to be ones which I previously downloaded. Am I
>doing something wrong or is the duplication problem at the server end.

Aside from the obvious (you do delete the messages you don't want after you
read them don't you? or at least move them to their own folders), I'd say
the problem sounds like you're leaving the messages on the server that you
dial in to to check your mail. In Eudora, there's a box under Tools,
Options..., Checking Mail, called "Leave mail on server". If you have that
checked, you'll keep getting the same messages sent to you, since the server
just sends whatever is on it to you. If you have a different e-mail program,
then you'll have to dig up where that option or setting is found.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 17:16:10 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

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Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

In a message dated 97-04-29 13:56:28 EDT, you write:

<<  have recently aquired a 455 manifold and a carb.
I am trying to identify them.  The carb is ª7044997.  The manifold has
412753 stamped on it >>
the carb is a 74 455 carb and the intake is 1974 455 4bbl L-74, L-75

W MACHINES

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:19:09 -0300
Subject: Re: WJ & KB Hi-Perf engines & parts!!??

At 07:43 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Ad ª1:   Johnson Olds KB, 452cid engine for sale.  Complete heads to pan.
[snip]
>Ad ª2:  New 540ci KB Olds blowermotor. 10,700 tall, Dart heads, 14-71,
[snip]
>The first engine sounds like it may be of the Warren Johnson Pro-Stock
>variety..??  Did WJ & KB work together on the blocks?

I think a number of people began to cast blocks and heads for the
Olds-design Pro-Stock block, when that motor came to be a kind of "standard"
for GM race teams. They'd both be motors that would have nothing in common
with production Olds V-8's, but instead used the Ch*vy Mark IV components.

These ads also remind me that I'm not nearly rich enough to race. And that I
could have a *lot* of fun with the Olds musclecars/cruising cars I could buy
for $26,000!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:19:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Valves

At 06:52 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>...They claim that you can get either hardened valve seats or hardened
>valves you  don't need both to be hardened....
>
>          Let's think about this for a second.  The cast iron head is
>          already softer than the stock valve, soooo....it would seem
>          to me that a hardened _valve_ would just compound the

Perhaps he was thinking about stainless-steel valves? I've heard that
valve-seat recession is less severe (not necessarily eliminated) with
stainless valves, compared to regular steel valves.

I did catch that little gem of logic too, though, the first time around.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:31:53 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 98 conv.

At 09:56 PM 4/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I called about an ad in the paper today about a '70 98 conv. It's got
[snip]
>and trunk are solid and only has body rust around rear wheel wells he
>says.No motor but I have a complete 425 in the garage so thats no
>problem. Vinyl interior no rips but has water damage from leaking top
>(floors solid?). Wants $600 but will come down. What do y'all think?

Definitely crawl underneath and take an ice-pick to the floors. Definitely
come down on the price, since you can't take it for a drive to check if the
tranny or rear axle or front suspension are shot (and parts for the '70 are
difficult and expensive to come by, unlike the '71-'76 cars). Figure a
repair of at least half those items into your calculations to see if it's
worth it to you. You also can't check the cooling system or the A/C, can
you. I'd think around $200-$300, if the body is straight and it's *only*
missing the engine (i.e. all little misc brackets and cables are included as
well).

>Wife said she doesn't want it if it's a big car. I told her it's only a
>little bigger than the Dynamic.

heh... Well, I suppose the '73-'76 98's with the energy-absorbing bumpers
were technically a bit bigger (over 235", I believe), but c'mon, even *I*
think this is stretching the truth a bit! (of course, I've tried to convince
my wife, who also doesn't want to drive big cars [what's with that,
anyway?], that a '68 Toro is a _small_ car, which it is, sorta, when
compared to our '78 Electra (which is technically downsized). So I bill the
Toro as compact, almost. I guess I'm the last one who should be throwing
stones here... ;)

But back to the 98. It could easily run you another grand just to get this
thing on the road, so if you're willing to part with that much $$$ and deal
with the pain and agony of getting it to that point, by all means go right
ahead! OTOH, you'd be $$$ ahead if you started with a complete car whose
overall condition you could verify, even if the initial investment is higher.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 00:45:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Olds 98 2drht

Do you have Fusick's & Year One catalogs for after market parts?  There are
some good parts source people here if want to post a 'wanted' list or post
a question on possible projects in mind for your 98.

I don't recall just what a '72 98 looks like.....


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 23:07:25 -0300
Subject: Re: new member

Also the 70
> pace car, I thought they were in 72 not 70??

I know this one! There was a '70 Olds Pace Car. Matter of fact there
were two types. One was a Cutlass convertible with OAI stripes and
Official Pace Car decals. The other was actually a 442 that looked very
similar. Olds cars paced the Indy race in '70, '72 and '74. There were
also others that I can't remember.

Danny

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:03:44 -0300
Subject: Re: SSI Center caps & Jefferson WI, swap meet

Dan,
The only difference between the Chevy and Olds center caps is the ridge along
the bottom of the Olds cap. Other than that, they are identical.

Art Fuller

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From: kdporter <kdporter@midwest.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:13:45 -0300
Subject: 74 cutlass cruiser

- --
I have a chance to buy a 74 cruiser,the car is a basket case as far as
the body is concerned,i would only buy it for the 455 84,000 miles,turbo
400,posi rear end,the car is also full options. The car also has a set
of 15 in bolt on center ss 3 wheels,the car also has dual exhaust from
the factory{w,z} manifolds.Is this a rare car? should it be left
together or parted out?
Asking price 400.00  my offer to him 250.00 will find out tomorrow if
it is mine.
Let me know what you think

70 rallye 350

kdporter@midwest.net

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:16:36 -0300
Subject: exhaust manifold

I'm looking for a W-35 single outlet, Right side, exhaust manifold for a 455.
Any one have one handy. Thanks

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:22:11 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

At 05:16 PM 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
> ----
>From: WMACHINES@aol.com
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 3:06 AM
>Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb
>
>In a message dated 97-04-29 13:56:28 EDT, you write:
>
><<  have recently aquired a 455 manifold and a carb.
>I am trying to identify them.  The carb is ª7044997.  The manifold has
>412753 stamped on it >>
>the carb is a 74 455 carb and the intake is 1974 455 4bbl L-74, L-75
>
>W MACHINES
>
>________________________________
>What is your source for the manifold identification?  The manifold was on a
1970 SX, original motor and original car.
>Do you have a listing of the manifold casting numbers?  I have a partial
listing in from 442.com and the olds faq.
>
>
I concure with Mark Prince (aka. W MACHINES). The manifold that should be on
a 70 or 71 SX should be a 404521 (cast iron) intake with NO EGR valve.
That's what the TWO SX's I have had on them. They both are low mileage
originals. If the engine is original the 70 has "E" heads, the 71 will have
"G" heads. The carb for the 70 should be a 7040251, and the 71 is 7041251.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:24:32 -0300
Subject: Re: 74 cutlass cruiser

At 01:13 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>--
>I have a chance to buy a 74 cruiser,the car is a basket case as far as
>the body is concerned,i would only buy it for the 455 84,000 miles,turbo
>400,posi rear end,the car is also full options. The car also has a set
>of 15 in bolt on center ss 3 wheels,the car also has dual exhaust from
>the factory{w,z} manifolds.Is this a rare car? should it be left
>together or parted out?
>Asking price 400.00  my offer to him 250.00 will find out tomorrow if
>it is mine.
>Let me know what you think
>
>70 rallye 350
>
>kdporter@midwest.net
>
I wolud go for it even if he meets you at about $300.00. The exhaust
manifolds are worth $175-200. The rest is basically a give-me.

Jim Chermack

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:26:48 -0300
Subject: Re: exhaust manifold

At 01:16 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a W-35 single outlet, Right side, exhaust manifold for a 455.
>Any one have one handy. Thanks
>
Dear Sir

        The W-35 option is the rear spoiler option. Are you looking for a
right side manifold with the letter "Z" on it? That is the match to the
drivers side with a "W" on it.

Jim Chermack

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From: "Corey W. Day" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 1997 18:49:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 05:16 PM 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >
> > ----
> >From: WMACHINES@aol.com
> >To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >Date: Wednesday, April 30, 1997 3:06 AM
> >Subject: Re: 455 Manifold and carb
> >
> >In a message dated 97-04-29 13:56:28 EDT, you write:
> >
> ><<  have recently aquired a 455 manifold and a carb.
> >I am trying to identify them.  The carb is ª7044997.  The manifold has
> >412753 stamped on it >>
> >the carb is a 74 455 carb and the intake is 1974 455 4bbl L-74, L-75
> >
> >W MACHINES
> >
> >________________________________
> >What is your source for the manifold identification?  The manifold was on a
> 1970 SX, original motor and original car.
> >Do you have a listing of the manifold casting numbers?  I have a partial
> listing in from 442.com and the olds faq.
> >
> >
> I concure with Mark Prince (aka. W MACHINES). The manifold that should be on
> a 70 or 71 SX should be a 404521 (cast iron) intake with NO EGR valve.
> That's what the TWO SX's I have had on them. They both are low mileage
> originals. If the engine is original the 70 has "E" heads, the 71 will have
> "G" heads. The carb for the 70 should be a 7040251, and the 71 is 7041251.
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> 72 442 (350)
> 86 Ninety Eight
> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> 96 C-1500
This manifold does not have EGR on it?
Is is different because it is on a California Car????

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From: DaWolf77@aol.com
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 01:54:54 -0300
Subject: Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su

I know my first message was a little short
but i was frustrated and I apologize.

basic info i can give you
'83 cutlass supreme

good battery
new plugs and wires
new air,oil, and fuel filters
new oil pump
new tranny
new distributor cap, rotor, and coil

This car sat for eigth months before I began work on it in january and this
is the work that has been done thus far.  It was running from january till
the end of february.  There was a freeze the night before it died and it ran
the best it had run in two years the day before.

It stopped running for good after it started up ,shook badly misfired a
couple times and DIED!

starter is good and everything starts spinning when i go to start her up but
the engine wont turn over on its own consistently.

I hope that this sheds a little light on my plight and would appreciate a
reply to my email at DaWolf77@aol.com  thanks.

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:42:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Your favorite Olds on a credit card

At 01:15 PM 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Last week I received a VISA credit card offer for car lovers from Travelers
>Bank. They have three car card designs (50's, 60's, modern), but also have
>a design where you can put a picture of your car on the card.
>
>Wouldn't you just love to share the Olds when you make a purchase? Probably
>have to brush up on "What you are looking at is a superior automobile, not
>to be confused with a ch*vy!". Maybe your OCA number could be included in
>the picture for those instant swap meet discounts.

Also useful if certain vendors care to inquire as to ~why~ that particular
card is maxed out so soon  :)  No need to explain, just point at the picture
and say "that's why!"


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:42:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Ol' Toro now runs!

>
>For the ª2 sparkplug, use just the sparkplug socket and an open-end wrench
>to loosen it, and then undo it by hand. It's much easier without the battery
>in place; other than that, it helps to have an extra joint right in the
>middle of your forearm...

     Yup, that's what I came up with, too.  The trick was getting the socket
~out~ after the plug was in!  Never would have thought plugs could bend, but
it didn't break, and I got the socket out with plenty of prying, so I'm left
few other ideas :)

>
>As for the fuel-pump, go at it from underneath. And if you need new fuel
>line (all Toros this vintage do), see the Toro archives about the correct
>and easy procedure (as opposed to the incorrect and impossible procedure).

Yup, I'll be checking that out, as well.  I'm in agreement of the impossible
procedures, but growing up on a farm, I came up with a moderate solution...
(for now :)


So I get the pump changed, and splice in some new fuel line to replace the
open cracks (which would let the fuel drain back to the tank, making a total
b**ch to start!) and got everything put together.  Went to start it.
Nothing.  S**t!  Look at the carb.  Empty.  Look at the intake.  Full.
S**T!  The Q-jet already has the foam deal under the main well plugs.  ~And~
it worked flawlessly on the Rocket.  Insert even more profanities between
the lines, here!  So, I propped the carb open, and put the heater back on
the intake runners, and then went to work.  I'll pla--  Fight with it more
tomorrow.  It's ~legal~ now, though.  I have the window sticker to prove it!
:)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:56:21 -0300
Subject: Re: TH 350 or TH400 ??

>
>In drag racing, the 350 is preferable if it is built up.  Stock, the 400
>is stronger.  If the proper rebuild is done, they both can take mucho
>HP.
>
There was a guy in Great Falls MT a few years back (actually I think he's
still there, but the conversation was a few years ago, anyway:) that ran a
'71 Rallye 350.  (I think that's what it was.)  He apparantly had $$$ to
play with.  He'd fully restored it (~beautiful!~) and got bored.  Sooooo, he
converted it to a strip car.  Everything I saw was clean, but he had it
mostly tarped, and I didn't see much of it :(  He just lunched his 403,
after its sixth run, or something like that.  He was having a big block
built when I talked with him.  (Seems to me he might have been doing the
DRCE, but I didn't know much about it then.  He said it was something fairly
new, anyway.  I bought some engine parts from him, but passed on his tranny.
Didn't need one.  Been kicking myself ever since, but I didn't have the $$$
then anyway.  TH350 built way up, but he couldn't use it with his new
engine.  He just didn't trust the tranny, cuz it was only rated to handle
750 hp!  After hearing that, it took about five minutes to get my jaw back
up from the floor.  Never saw him or the car again, but have always been
curious.  Some friends had seen the car in a show the year before, and told
me bits and pieces about a really sweet Olds...  Seems to me Dustin was one
of them?  Anyway, I could have had the tranny (without the shield) for $350.
Still kicking myself...



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 02:56:19 -0300
Subject: Re: removal of outside mirrors

At 02:27 PM 4/29/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I was just curious if anyone knew how difficult it is to remove the
>door mirrors on a G-Body Cutlass.  I found a right hand remote mirror in a
>salvage yard and want to swap this onto my Cutlass.  My chasis manual
>doesn't give any info on removing the mirror and I can't remember if it
>was accessable when you remove the interior panel.

Once the door panels are off, the mirrors are a piece of cake.  I think the
windows had to be rolled down all the way.  There's two 10mm nuts holding
each on, as I recall.  The pass may or may not have the hole for the cable
assy.  I can't remember if I had to cut for my power mirrors.  Either way,
there's plenty of room for slop to cut.  Good luck :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 03:27:45 -0300
Subject: Re: I need more help 83 cutlass su

At 01:54 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I know my first message was a little short
>but i was frustrated and I apologize.
>
>basic info i can give you
>'83 cutlass supreme
>
>good battery
>new plugs and wires
>new air,oil, and fuel filters
>new oil pump
>new tranny
>new distributor cap, rotor, and coil
>
>This car sat for eigth months before I began work on it in january and this
>is the work that has been done thus far.  It was running from january till
>the end of february.  There was a freeze the night before it died and it ran
>the best it had run in two years the day before.
>
>It stopped running for good after it started up ,shook badly misfired a
>couple times and DIED!
>
>starter is good and everything starts spinning when i go to start her up but
>the engine wont turn over on its own consistently.
>
>I hope that this sheds a little light on my plight and would appreciate a
>reply to my email at DaWolf77@aol.com  thanks.


Since the night before, it got fairly cold, I'd wonder if the choke maybe
stuck closed?  You'd run really rich, and possibly flood out, in an extreme
case?  Pull a couple of the plugs and see what they look like (I realize
they're new)  If they're wet with fuel, they won't fire, and they don't like
drying off very well.  That's my first thoughts, anyway.

Good luck, keep us posted.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 04:28:43 -0300
Subject: 69 Cutlass

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<FONT SIZE=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So the big move is in the cam?&nbsp;
I drive this car maybe 4500 miles a year. Mostly around town. I want as
much low power as I can get and still have a reasonably :-) smooth idle.
Any Suggestions? Also, I've read of valve-train problems developing if
the cam is all you do. Any truth there?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; When I take off the 2 bll carb.
on the car now, if I go to the Edelbrock manifold (3711) it says there
is'nt an Edelbrock carb. for that manifold. The question here is the Holley
(ª0-9834) or the OEM 4bll. setup?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; One last question. What is
a good brand HEI system. I don't know anything about them. About what is&nbsp;
the cost and labor involved?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>Many Thanks,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>Pat McDermott</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=-1>69 Cutlass 'S' Convertable</FONT>
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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:35:31 -0300
Subject: Clearance Sale ª2 (4/30)

- -- Clearance Sale ª2 --

I have reduced the price on the following Oldsmobile related items which
were previously advertised but which did not sell:

1969 Hurst/Olds 1/25th scale plastic model kit.  AMT ª6898.  Factory
sealed box.  Originally advertised at $30.00.  Now $18.00, including
shipping to any address in North America.

1987 Delta 88 Winston Cup race car 1/24th scale plastic model kit.
Monogram ª2754 - Hardee=B9s Oldsmobile.  Box opened, but contents still in
factory sealed bag and complete.  Originally advertised at $25.00 plus
shipping.  Now $18.00, including shipping to any address in North
America.

1987 Delta 88 Winston Cup race car 1/24th scale plastic model kit.
Monogram ª2779 - Wynn=B9s/K-Mart Oldsmobile.  Factory sealed box.
Originally advertised at $25.00.  Now $18.00, including shipping to any
address in North America.

(4/30/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          =3D=3D=3D
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | =3D Tom Stoner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         =3D=3D=3D    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
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From: MV <dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 08:24:03 -0300
Subject: warriors better tire makers ????

According to many of you, it seems that everything coming from France is
worth s...
except a few.
It's maybe because i'm french, but i don't understand why better warriors
would make better tires. Could anybody explain me?
i don't remember the germans winning any war against us, though we were
helped by others (thank you), but so they were...
It's been over 50 years since you came and help ending this WW2 and we
still hear about it. You're proud of it. maybe not all of it though... (i
don't think there is anything about nuclear bomb to be proud of. You should
have killed the guy...)
You're more quiet about vietnam. How many vietnamese butts did you kick
over there?
does it mean your tires are worth s...?
Sorry i still don't get it...
About napoleon then. you're he didn't do only great things. one of them
being selling back to you Louisiana for almost nothing, but he was not
exactly french (people from corsica would like to be independent...)

Michelin: i would think they should have an easy life in the states because
they were designed primarily for use in europe where roads are far more
demanding: better driving skills needed and also better equipment: it's
easier to drive in the states on 4 lane highways with a bend every 10 miles
than in france on secondary roads, where you have to put your car on the
side every time you've got somebody coming the opposite direction...
i'm not a tire expert anyway. still i think i read in a car magazine not
long time ago that michelin was world number 1 for tires. but it was
probably in a french magazine...

take one of your top of the list cars to france on narrow and "snaky"
roads. i'd be curious to see how far you're gonna drive... though i'm not
trying to say a 442 is worth than a small peugeot 205 gti with a 1.9 liter
engine in it, 160 hp and only 900 kg!. it's just not designed for the same
use.

something again, i was always told that RWD and wet roads were not the best
friends, no matter how good the tires. it's getting worse with higher HP

Sorry to be a bit tough on you this morning, i think i'm in a bad mood.
Though it always pisses me off when you think the World NEEDS americans!

Olds question:
i still own my 1973 delta 88 convertible anyway, and i'm not ready to sell
it!!
And i still need your help (it's not because we have different points of
view on history that we should be enemies...)
Are old rubber hose different from new ones?
i'm not at home at the moment and my girlfriend uses my car (yes i know...)
i had a dramatic fax last night about water flowing under the car.
after inquiry it looks like the bottom hose from the radiator broke.
Could it be because of antifreeze i put in the radiator before i left (i
thought it would be better than tap water) or is it just its age? i had
planned to change it but didn't have time to do it...
If antifreeze has to do with it will it also damage the water pump?

Thank you

A. LACHATRE

P.S.: this list should be about oldsmobile and oldsmobile only because it
goes a lot to far...

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 11:56:54 -0300
Subject: Re: warriors better tire makers ????

A. LACHATRE wrote:
>
> P.S.: this list should be about oldsmobile and oldsmobile only because
> it goes a lot to far...

He says after the history lesson which included Germany, WW2, nuclear
bombs, Viet Nam, Napoleon and the Louisiana purchase.

Go figure.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 1997 09:28:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Olds 98 2drht

At 12:45 AM 4/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I don't recall just what a '72 98 looks like.....
>
>
>Lisa Madsen

Lisa,

The '71 through '76 98s all shared the same basic body style, and the 88s
of the same vintage were similar in appearance.  In fact, one usually had
to look at the tail lights to tell which was which.  Go look at my car at
the web address below and your memory will be jogged.  The 98s looked
different in the rear in that they had thin vertical tailights, rather than
the more rounded ones that the 88s had.  The fronts looked the same except
that by '75, the 98s had gone to rectangular headlights, while the 88s
still had round.  In '76, the last year of the "really big" models, both
had rectangular.  But in '72, all had round headlights.




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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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