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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 22 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 687

Speedo Cable replacement
Re: Driveline Vibration
Re: 66 425
Re: 66 425
Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
Re: 400 Pistons
307 CFM
Re: rods,rings,and other things
Re: speedo cable lube
Re: 66 425
Legal Duals??
Re: New Pictures
Re: Things people have said about my cars
350 - 307 Swap
69 W-32
Re: Legal Duals??
Grandmas smok'en 442
Unsubscribe oldsmobile
Re: speedo cable lube
Re: Grandmas smok'en 442
Re: 350 - 307 Swap
Re: Legal Duals??
Re: Unbounce: Cam Walking
Re: 400 Pistons
Re: HOT ROD article
Re: '69 wheel well moldings
Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???
Re: 69 W-32
Re: 400 Motor & minor car story
news stand
455's, compared
Re: new papa-again!!
Re: Mystery motor kit
Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???
Re: news stand
Re: news stand
I need a Job....(very NON-OLDS)
RE: Re Yellow interior
newcomer and a greenhorn
******Olds Chat Warning******
Re: Legal Duals, Cat's, and I/M tests
Chrome SSIII's (Was:  New Pic's)
Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: 350 - 307 Swap
Re: 69 choke spring/cover
Re: 1977 Hurst Olds?
Re: Chrome SSIII's (Was:  New Pic's)
Re: Center Caps (Olds)
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:35:36 -0300
Subject: Speedo Cable replacement

I get mine at a great local auto parts store. Genuine Delco to boot. You must
cut it to length and crimp on the proper end, but it's about as tough as a
sparkplug wire to do.
cf
>
>Yes, I'm sure it's original.  Can they still be had at the dealer, or do
>I have to go aftermarket/repro for one?
>
>
>Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@juno.com

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:38:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Driveline Vibration

Wiz,
You get the prize, had the u-joints replaced. Stupid me, I forgot they
needed to be lubed once per year. My stupidity, my bill $141. Not too
bad I thought.
cf

>If this is a recent occurrance, and sort of came on all at once, my first
>look would be to the U/V joints in the prop shaft.
>
>The Wiz

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:17:16 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 425

- ----------
> From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 66 425
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:01 PM
>
> I'd be interested in the availability of a 400 CID bored 0.30 over
piston.
> I know of someone with the same motor who couldn't locate the ones he
> wanted  (hi perf I assume) and had a set made.  I'd appreciate an idea if
> they are avail. and how much.
>
> I recall getting my 330 pistons (another supposed hard find) from a
company
> in Florida called Badger (if memory serves)   If you could come across
that
> info also I'd be indebted, have had other people inquire and I had my 330
> done about 17 yrs. ago.
Badger lists the 330 regular fuel piston 9.0 -1 as ª P380 the premium fuel
piston 10.25-1 is P379 they also show the 403 (one number only) and two 425
and 455 pistons but no 400 cid is shown.  There are lots of piston
companys. I would bet someone has them.
BTW Badger is part of KSG industries who also make Manley valves
Walter

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:19:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 425

In a message dated 97-05-20 08:50:42 EDT, you write:

> managed to find the only
>  >set of 425 0.030" pistons in Canada!
>  Now we'll see if there are any left in the US!!  I know now not to look in
>  Canada.
>
>

Aren't 425 pistons the same as 455 pistons?

I thought that that was what the Olds FAQ said.

Oh well.

BTW Mondello has both kinds.


Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Engineering Republicans Genetically?

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:21:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?

>
> Perhaps a glovebox mounted vacuum operated trunk unlock cylinder? (deep
> breath)  My '67 has this.  One vacuum line goes from the trunk, through
the
> firewall to the canister.  The second then goes from the canister BACK
> through the firewall to the glovebox switch.  I think.(That just doesn't
> sound right though, wanna help me out on this one guys?)  Being a
> convertible though, I don't think the factory would have made that option
> available, as for trunk safety.
My 66 Delta Convertable has the vacum trunk release
Walter

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:31:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

- ----------
> From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
>
>      And tell us you didn't volunteer to demonstrate the cleaning powers
of
>      Brakleen... ;)
>
A little of that brake cleaner on there and they would have been shucking
those pants and you would have had a real show to tell us about.

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From: "DENNEY KEYS" <dkeys@pop700.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:36:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

Charley,

I too stopped by to see what was going on, but alas, no one was there...

Denney
- ----------
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Olds Chat Link URL
> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 7:29 PM
>
> At 06:54 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >Charley,
> >  What's the web address there buddy?
> >Would love to check you out.
> >
>
>
>           The address for the chat page is:
>
> http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/oldschat.htm
>
> Some mail readers will let you click right on this link, and go there.
> The home page (on which it resides) is in my sig file below, and should
also
> be clickable on most newer mail readers. Like I said before, it's likely
to
> be really dull until a few members start getting there at the same time.
I
> talked to myself for a while there yesterday...  No, I didn't get into a
> flame war!  ;)
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
>              500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>              Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>      "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
>                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
>
>

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:43:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 400 Pistons

In a message dated 97-05-21 20:31:54 EDT, you write:

>  I'd be interested in the availability of a 400 CID bored 0.30 over
>  piston.
>  > I know of someone with the same motor who couldn't locate the ones he
>  > wanted  (hi perf I assume) and had a set made.  I'd appreciate an idea
if
>  > they are avail. and how much.
>  >
>  >
Yup. Mondello sells these too.

If I am not mistaken, you can ask for the dish to be machined deeper ($$$),
but maybe that was a different bore.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

See also last witticism.

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:42:28 -0300
Subject: 307 CFM

I'm forwarding this message snip from somebody who wrote to me and
asked.  He's obviously not a member of the list, so please respond to
him at John.R.Wappes@Rose-Hulman.Edu.  Thanks alot.

<START SNIP>

I have an 84 Olds Cutlass Calais. It has all the option of yours but
the power windows locks and T-Tops. Could I get more info from you about
the car. I have a rough time at dearships, getting parts, ect.. Many
don't know or believe that that model exists. I have restored mine to
show room condition. It needs a new carb, do you have any suggestions on
the type and how much it can handle cfm?

<END SNIP>

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:43:27 -0300
Subject: Re: rods,rings,and other things

>         RINGS: I would like to know the proper ring end gap for the 400
> punched out .030. Is it the same as std and what might that be. The
formula
> for cubic inches would be nice also. I think I know but don't want to
quote
> w/out checking w/the motor head professors. boreXstrokeXªcyl??

>
>         Other Things: Dr. Barry asked in his reply for the type kit I was
in
> need of. I need a kit to support a rebuild which will incorporate .010
under
> turn on the crank, a .030 over bore(.040 rings)

The formula for cast and forged pistons is a min. gap of .003 per inch of
bore for the top ring. The second can use slightly less. Hypereutetic
pistons need as much as .0065 per inch. (Keith Black especially)
You will have a lot of fileing to do and the oil rings expander and rails
will need triming too if you use .040 rings in a .030 bore Do yourself a
favor and use the right rings. If you think you will have too much end gap
use file to fit .030 rings.
Walter
>
>

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:47:17 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

> I use lithium grease. If I recall the Chassis Service Manual (aka
Oldsmobible)
> calls for lubing 1/3 of the cable and letting it's action spread the
grease.
> These cable are cheap, you might consider replacing it for the $7.00 or
so
> since yours may be original.
>
That grease used for CV joints in FWD cars seems to really do good on
speedometer cables.

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:52:11 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 425

> Aren't 425 pistons the same as 455 pistons?
>
> I thought that that was what the Olds FAQ said.
>
>No The compression height for the 425 is 1.595 and the 455 is 1.720  the
bore is the same
Walter

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From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:56:36 -0300
Subject: Legal Duals??

  Hello Everyone, I need some help.

A couple of friends reccomened a local muffler shop to install dual exhaust
on my 77 Olds Cutlass Supreme. I went by to speak to Jeff for an estimate
but since he was on vacation another guy asked could he be of assistance. I
explained i wanted a dual exhaust system installed on my car. Well, this guy
goes into a lecture about federal laws prohibiting such sytems on my car;
something about catylitic converters;fines that could be imposed; etc
etc..... Needless to say I'll go back next week to talk to Jeff who came
highly reccomended. But i was wondering would dual exhaust on my car be
illegal? Does that require removing the Catylitic converter?? Or is the
system installed with two converters?? What are the shortcuts and options
like private inspections and so forth. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:46:04 -0300
Subject: Re: New Pictures

I like 'em!  Where'd you get them and how much?  What size tires do you
have on now; and do they affect the ride much (I assume you had 14's
before)?  Thanks.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:52:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 May 1997, James Thingwold (Lisa Madsen) wrote:
>
> > At least they identify your car in some way - they always look at my '67
> > Delta and say "thats a nice car - WHAT is it?"
>
> Well, the best ones I've ever got, good or bad are:
>
> I like your car, I can lie down in it (75 98)
>
> Nice car, too bad it wasn't an older 442 (I HATE that one).
>
> What's that dent from (reply: where I hit a tree).
>
> So you like duct-tape, then?
>
> Look at that door (76 98, 3 1/2 door, rusty)
>
> Why don't you spend your money on a good car? (reply: did, look at it!)
>
> etc.. etc.., I'm sure you might've heard some of them before
>
> .....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.1.....
> Eric Aksomitis:
> Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
> Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
> http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
> Last update: 970504
> .....End of self-promo                                  .....
another one people ask me "have you got a 442 ci in that?" everyone
thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
rocket.
Marty
68 442 400ci auto

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:57:07 -0300
Subject: 350 - 307 Swap

Hi, all.

In a 350 - 307 swap...swapping IN the 350 :-)...I understand that all
accessories can be reused, etc.  But what about the
emmissions/computer/carb/etc. setup?  Will I have to dump the computer
and run like they used to...with reliable Detriot iron and NO Japanese
microchip?

Thanks for the info.  I might do this swap in a few years and need to
start researching parts/leads, etc.

Cheers.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: "Karl Morra" <442KARL@msn.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:55:52 -0300
Subject: 69 W-32

I am looking for info on the 1969 Olds W-32.

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:25:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Duals??

Aaron D Eoff wrote:
>
>   Hello Everyone, I need some help.
>
> A couple of friends reccomened a local muffler shop to install dual exhaust
> on my 77 Olds Cutlass Supreme. I went by to speak to Jeff for an estimate
> but since he was on vacation another guy asked could he be of assistance. I
> explained i wanted a dual exhaust system installed on my car. Well, this guy
> goes into a lecture about federal laws prohibiting such sytems on my car;
> something about catylitic converters;fines that could be imposed; etc
> etc..... Needless to say I'll go back next week to talk to Jeff who came
> highly reccomended. But i was wondering would dual exhaust on my car be
> illegal? Does that require removing the Catylitic converter?? Or is the
> system installed with two converters?? What are the shortcuts and options
> like private inspections and so forth. Any help would be greatly
appreciated. > > Thanks in advance!! > > Aaron D Eoff >    ///////  /////// >
//       // >       //       // >      //       // >     //       //  'twas a
goodyear > > 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme


Depends on where you live. In Dallas, the laws are not very well known,
and as a result you can easily get into an argument with John P. Exhaust
man, so you may be advised to contact your local DMV for a complete list
of laws for your year-group. Here the cars are grouped in a 75-80 class,
and you can have any modifications you want, with or without cats, but
the car must pass emissions (which is very possible if your engine is in
good shape and carb works well) and the engine must have the correct air
cleaner and the correct emissions equip topside(EGR, AIR, Heat Riser,
etc) So basically you need to talk to a mechanic (whom you trust)or the
DMV in your area for a detailed list of the laws.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:31:49 -0300
Subject: Grandmas smok'en 442

- -----------------Go Granny Go-------------------------------------------

My 68 442 is jade gold witha tan top, when we put the fact hub caps on
and let all the air out of the shocks it looks like "grandmas car". and
we've even had people ask us if it was. they usually can't figure out
what we're laughing about until "grandmas car" takes of like hell burnin
the tires, then they wonder how that old buggy just cakewalked they're
dads new Z-28.  The 442 emblems are hard to see at night, they are black
on the inside, and the car is dark. I just don't get it, people see a
Olds and dont think nothing of it, unless they see the ram air hood or
the w-30 emblems then they might have a clue. but they look at my car
that is in damn near perfect stock shape, original everything and don't
see anything.
 --here's a good story:
A couple summers ago we were cruising around in the 442 and some punk
in a 5.slow mudstain started laughing at us, We knew of him and knew
that he had a 351 in it instead of the 5.0 but he was sure that it was a
5.0 and he could take us.  After we asked him to race he had to go to
the gas station to let his 3 friends out of the back ( to make it
lighter) while they were getting out I heard someone in his car whisper
"take off kind of slow until they think they're winning then smoke'em) I
prettended I didn'thear that.  when we got out on the road, and the
light turned green we hammered it, my wheel started spinning and was
hooking up pretty good, that guys jaw dropped about 4 inches and he
caught rubber in all four gears in that stang, I thought he was gonna
blow. we walked away from him off the line and my friend let off (my
friend was driving my car) Just then the 5.0 pulls back up ,He's still
racing! wow this guy was determined, we kicked her down again and still
beat him. after this we all pulled in to the gass station, his freinds
were fallowing in another car and had watched everything. They had to
see the engine, we popped the hood and all of them about shit they're
pants.  We told them that it was the stock 350, hey they couldn't tell
it was a 400, it was all original looking from the stock 442 aircleaner
to the faded bronze paint on the valvecovers and intake, a little oil
and dirt (not much). after they were done looking all his friends were
laughing at him and all of them were just so amazed that this car (a 68
with the stock hubcaps, and the original 350 with a 110,000 miles on it)
just waxed they're street killer mustang.  Another friend of mine came
across this guy once and the guy told him he could eat vettes in his
5.0.  ya right. you can be sure as shit that guy took his car home and
put it in the garage for awhile.

one of many great war stories.
Marty
68 442

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From: TAK911@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:06:21 -0300
Subject: Unsubscribe oldsmobile

Unsubscribe oldsmobile

Sorry

Thanks

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 19:18:57 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

Chris Fair wrote:

> While we're on the topic, anyone know where I can get a good used cruise
> control speedo cable for my 66 98. It wavers like h*ll so I've gone back
> to the old direct from wheel to speedo cable (thankfully saved).
> cf

Chris,

I just read an article in the '67 Service Guild about "fluttering"
speedometer needles.  There is an adjustment that can be made in the
regulator.  Don't know if this would apply to your '66 or not.  I had
the same problem, did what the article suggested, and it seems to be
working fine so far...

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 23:54:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Grandmas smok'en 442

At 10:31 PM 5/21/97 -0300, Hanthorn wrote:

>A couple summers ago we were cruising around in the 442 and some punk
>in a 5.slow mudstain started laughing at us, We knew of him and knew
>that he had a 351 in it instead of the 5.0 but he was sure that it was a
>5.0 and he could take us.

(snip)

.  We told them that it was the stock 350, hey they couldn't tell
>it was a 400, it was all original looking from the stock 442 aircleaner
>to the faded bronze paint on the valvecovers and intake, a little oil
>and dirt (not much). after they were done looking all his friends were
>laughing at him and all of them were just so amazed that this car (a 68
>with the stock hubcaps, and the original 350 with a 110,000 miles on it)
>just waxed they're street killer mustang.  Another friend of mine came
>across this guy once and the guy told him he could eat vettes in his
>5.0.  ya right. you can be sure as shit that guy took his car home and
>put it in the garage for awhile.

Great Story! Damn, he either a) couldn't drive worth a crap or b) had a
smogger stock 351 from the mid 70's. There was an 87 5.0 LX at the track
last weekend running low 12's on a NA 331. There was also a 69 H/O that was
basically stock and ran a best of 13.8. It is nice to beat the modern
muscle. Last weekend I got beat in three heads up races by late 60's iron at
the track and I loved every minuite (granted all three were big blocks ;-)
There was even an 83 Cutlass there that was tubbed, rollcage, etc that ran
in the low 11's with a very built 455.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28............13.402 @ 102.31
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..restoration project

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:04:33 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 - 307 Swap

At 08:57 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a 350 - 307 swap...swapping IN the 350 :-)...I understand that all
>accessories can be reused, etc.  But what about the
>emmissions/computer/carb/etc. setup?  Will I have to dump the computer
>and run like they used to...with reliable Detriot iron and NO Japanese
>microchip?

No, you don't have to dump the computer at all. Doug Roe's Rochester Carb
book has a good chapter on modifying an electronic Q-jet (which, of course,
is computer controlled); highly recommended as a reference for anyone doing
work on a Q-jet. Only part-throttle and idle is controlled by the computer,
which formerly was controlled by vacuum on a non-electronic Q-jet;
everything else (accelerator pump, secondary barrels) is "open loop", so the
same mods for an older Q-jet apply there as well. In fact, as long as your
350's cam isn't too wild, the computer should be able to compensate for the
extra 43 cubic inches. You could use a stock 307 intake, or probably even a
Performer, as long as you have the hookups for the lines and sensors.

Whatever the case, even a mild 350 will be a big improvement for you. You
should also swap in some better rear gears to complement your engine's
newfound power (and if you start looking right now, you might just find a
10-bolt 8.5" 3.73 posi rear from a H/O/442/T-type by the time your motor is
ready to go in...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:04:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Duals??

At 08:56 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A couple of friends reccomened a local muffler shop to install dual exhaust
>on my 77 Olds Cutlass Supreme. I went by to speak to Jeff for an estimate
[snip]
>highly reccomended. But i was wondering would dual exhaust on my car be
>illegal? Does that require removing the Catylitic converter?? Or is the

I believe the law against removing factory-installed catalytic converters is
a Federal one, so it applies regardless of what state you're in.

So, all you need to do is find a mechanic who's also part of a splinter
separatist group, and have him do the work on their compound...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:07:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Unbounce: Cam Walking

At 11:35 PM 5/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>> When I had my  '71 455 (.060"= 468) rebuilt, the builder said not to use
>> a cam button.  he said that when using hydrolic lifters, it is not
>> necessary because "it pulls the cam into the correct place, eliminating
>> the use of a cam button."  He also said that using a cam button can
>> prematurely wear out the cam and cause severe damage, some of which I
>> have heard of on this server.
>> The company that I had rebuild my motor is VERY reputable and has
>> rebuilt several Olds 455.  They had to be good to get the 6500 redline I
>> wanted.
>>
> The cam lobes are ground with a slight taper which spins the lifter and
>pushes the cam rearward. The back of the cam gear then contacts the block
>preventing the whole assembly from going any further back.
>OTOH a roller cam has perfectly straight lobes. Of course to keep the cam
>from wandering around you must ues a thrust plate or cam button.
>

  You can also consider the rearward thrust of the cam produced by driving
the distributor gear which besides driving the distributor shaft is also
driving the oil pump.

 Glenn Connors
 '69 4-4-2

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:04:36 -0300
Subject: Re: 400 Pistons

At 08:43 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>  I'd be interested in the availability of a 400 CID bored 0.30 over
>>  piston.

Mondello recommends a 350 piston, which apparently has a comparable
compression-height, and will fit in the block when bored .070" over (or some
odd number like that). I think it gives you about 410-420 cubic inches or
so. Then again, which 400 are you talking about, '66-'67, or '68-'69? They
had different bores and strokes.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:26:58 -0300
Subject: Re: HOT ROD article

In a message dated 97-05-20 03:11:16 EDT, you write:

<<  I actually dynoed my 455 OLds engine and it dynoed at 468 HP with 520
torque
 >at 3500RPM and my quickest e.t thus far is a 12.47@ 108.23mph in the 1/4th
 >mile
 >at Norwalk Raceway in Norwalk Ohio.  I am going to the track tomorrow and i
 >will let you guys know the results later.

 Mark, are you going to Norwalk again anytime soon? If so I will go out there
 and race instead of locally here. I would like to see this engine! Awesome
 numbers.
 - - - - - - - - - - - >>
Not until July 13th for the Mondello OLDS Nationals (rumor is that it may be
his last)
So all you Olds racers and enthusiasts besure to go.  I do love Norwalk, but
it is a two and half hour drive for me with my 4:10 rearend and screaming at
3100RPM on the highway

W MACHINES

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:32:53 -0300
Subject: Re: '69 wheel well moldings

At 07:15 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Outside, it had
>>chrome
>>moldings several inches above the rocker panels and wheel openings,
>>with
>>contrasting paint below. A very rare model these days.
>
>Yes, mine is a '69 Supreme (not S), and I am missing all of these
>moldings.  They were "lost" by a body shop about ten years ago.  What
>really happened was they removed them by breaking off all of the speed
>nut studs, instead of removing the speed nuts from the studs on the rear
>of the body panels.  Then they threw them away.  I found one short piece
>for the quarter panel hidden in the trunk.
>
>If anybody has a set of these moldings or knows where they can be gotten,
>please, let me know!
>
>
  You can get them from Ron Memmer. His number is 219-583-9763.  Tell him
that I sent you please.

  Glenn Connors
  '69 4-4-2

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:41:04 -0300
Subject: Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???

In a message dated 97-05-21 12:08:22 EDT, the esteemed Dr. Robert Barry
wrote:

>
>  '65 425's used the "A" heads; '66 425's used the "B" heads. The "A" heads
>  used a unique rocker-mounting system, so parts are more expensive and
harder
>  to find. In terms of flow, in stock form they're supposed to flow less
than
>  the later heads, but still better than the "J" heads. If you do any
porting,
>  then what you start with is more or less irrelevant.
>
>
OK Bob, I need to get this settled once and for all. I totally agree with you
that there were no "A" heads (at all?) offered after 1965. The real question;

In 1965 425ci engines with "A" heads, is it the block or the heads that cause
the 45
degree valve lifter angle?

Earlier in this thread someone (possibly enveloped in the same fog as I)
queried about the possibility of using a Toro 425 if valve angle permitted.
If I am not mistaken that was never a possibility (possibly indicative of
lack of "A" heads).

One last thing. This thread got started by some really good HP and Torque
numbers right? Am I right in that they are not from a real car, but a desktop
Dyno? The real thing never lives up to the numbers. Just plain old everyday
physics. Let me know when you have actually built it.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Erroneous Gonorrhea Remedy?

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:40:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 W-32

At 09:55 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I am looking for info on the 1969 Olds W-32.
>
        The basic setup was simular to the W-30. Had all the same OAI but
the engine was basically the 4spd combination. It was rated at the same
350hp as the 4spd (autos were 325hp). It was not hand assembled or
blueprinted. The cam specs were slightly different than the stick engine.
297 were built. 25 Sport Coupes, 247 Holiday Coupes, and 25 Convertibles.
ALL were automatics. That was a manditory option. My references state the
possibiliy of either red or black fenderwells. Hope this was what your
looking for.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:51:59 -0300
Subject: Re: 400 Motor & minor car story

It's the '67 - which was a one year design if I'm not too mistaken.  Good
to know I can poss. have an option with Mondello.

I still haven't hit up my speed shop buddy who has been known to pull
rabbits out of his hat when it comes to my Olds' (plural).  I think he
loves hunting & digging around for the 'oddball' stuff for me.  Last time
it was for my 330.

All these 'war stories' are getting my adrenaline stirring again.

One of my favorite all time stories - pardon the Ch*vy content - was the
night we took our '70 SS-454 Ch*velle to the drive in & came out at closing
time and hit the big 4 lane highway that goes all the way to the beach.  No
one in sight, sort of horror movie eerie.  All of a sudden a mile or so
down (all this is retail area), a '36 Ch*vy coupe, black, lowered in front,
fat tubbed tires in the rear sounding VERY healthy pulls up alongside our
fat tubbed rear tire, lowered front '70 (ours was black also).  Pretty cool
- - we sort of pace each other , romp on them a bit, etc.  Pull up to the
next light.  On our other side appears a T-Bucket, black, lowered, dual
highrise big block Ch*vy.  Too wild.  Out of nowhere we've got three very
fast, very cool, black Ch*vy's.  We paced each other, played around getting
on them, and finally had to pull into a service station & shake hands and
complement each other.  Just a very - nice - car memory.  But yes, it'd
been even better with three Olds'.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: hot69w30@webtv.net (david harmon)
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:09:27 -0300
Subject: news stand

I can never find magazines on oldsmobiles. why not. don't people know
how fine a car this is and how much we love them . we have Chevelles and
5.0 Mustangs why not OLDSMOBILES. I could have restored a camaro just
like all the others ( and been just like all the others ) what is the
problem.

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:14:21 -0300
Subject: 455's, compared

Somebody asked about the differences between the various GM 455's; I finally
looked up the figures, so here's how they stack up in critical dimensions:

Maker   Size   Bore    Stroke  Main bearings   Rod bearings

Olds    455     4.126"  4.25"   3.00"           2.50"
Pontiac 455     4.152"  4.21"   3.00"           2.25"
Buick   455     4.312"  3.90"   3.25"           2.25"

And while I was at it, I looked up some other comparisons:

Olds    350     4.057"  3.385"  2.50"           2.125"
Pontiac 350     3.876"  3.75"   3.00"           2.25"
Buick   350     3.80"   3.85"   3.00"           2.00"

Olds    400Early 4.00"  3.975"  3.00"           2.50"
Olds    400Late 3.87"   4.25"   3.00"           2.50"
Olds    403     4.351"  3.385"  2.50"           2.125"
Pontiac 400     4.121"  3.75"   3.00"           2.25"
Buick   400     ???     ???     3.25"           2.25"
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:14:15 -0300
Subject: Re: new papa-again!!

At 06:15 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I would
>>like to know the correct applications for them. Numbers are: 7040202
>>and 7043252

I had a chance tonight to look up the exact specs for these two carbs:

7040202= Ch*vy 350 (Camaro, Chevelle/Malibu, Nova) 49-state Automatic
transmission
"76" main jets
"44B" primary metering rods
"BA" secondary metering rods

7043252= 1973 Oldsmobile Toronado 455 (all)
"71" main jets
"50B" primary metering rods
"CJ" secondary metering rods
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:14:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery motor kit

At 07:21 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>to give any info on the type of motor I was in need of a kit for. Please
>Forgive!!! It is a 65 400.

Ah, that's going to be a bit tougher to find than a 455 rebuild kit.
Kanter/PST both list complete rebuild kits for this engine for $595
(actually, same price as their 455 kit), with the note that "1965 400 V8 Cam
is exchange only"

No other place I have checked (PAW, Northern, Mondello, DMR) lists complete
rebuild kits for the early 400, though they do for the later ones. You'd
have to assemble a kit yourself.

Mondello lists rebuild kits w/o pistons, including rings, gaskets and
bearings, for the early 400, for $182 (iron rings) or $188 (chrome-moly
rings). Mondello only lists two types of pistons for this engine: Forged
flat-tops, with a slightly lower compression ratio than stock (also has a
non-stock-size pin, so the rods have to be honed out; my guess is that this
is actually a Ch*vy 350 piston that Mondello found would work) for $288, a
cast Olds 350 piston (4.057" bore, compared to your 400's stock 4.00" bore)
that would net you a 9.25:1 compression, for $160, or a +.060" 9.7:1 custom
piston for $640 (gulp!).

Dick Miller lists custom Arias pistons for $660 (ouch!). He also lists a
forged 350 10.25:1 piston, which would work in the early 400 bored .057"
over, for $340.

I used one of the PST kits in my 403, and was very pleased with the quality
of the product. That might be the place to start, as their rebuild kit is
very comprehensive (i.e. entire valvetrain included, whereas most kits lack
those pieces.)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:20:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???

At 11:41 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In 1965 425ci engines with "A" heads, is it the block or the heads that cause
>the 45 degree valve lifter angle?

It would be the block. I think that you need to check for interference
between the pushrods and the pushrod holes in the heads if you use heads
originally for a 39' block on a 45' block, and vice-versa.

>One last thing. This thread got started by some really good HP and Torque
>numbers right? Am I right in that they are not from a real car, but a desktop
>Dyno? The real thing never lives up to the numbers. Just plain old everyday
>physics. Let me know when you have actually built it.

I've never played with one of those programs, but it's pretty much common
sense that the power output of two identical engines can vary significantly,
depending on the final tuning. Put the wrong jets and a non-optimal spark
curve on a potentially 450hp engine, and you may only get 300hp.

>Erroneous Gonorrhea Remedy?

Egregious Gastrointestinal Release?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:23:52 -0300
Subject: Re: news stand

At 01:09 AM 5/22/97 -0300, david harmon wrote:
>I can never find magazines on oldsmobiles. why not. don't people know
>how fine a car this is and how much we love them . we have Chevelles and
>5.0 Mustangs why not OLDSMOBILES. I could have restored a camaro just
>like all the others ( and been just like all the others ) what is the
>problem.

Best thing out there is Muscle Car Review for Olds coverage. There are like
4 or 5 Mustang mags out now. Believe it or not there isn't one magazine out
there dedicated to the Camaro...although some would argue that Car Craft is
in reality Camaro Craft ;-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28............13.402 @ 102.31
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..restoration project

------------------------------

From: hot69w30@webtv.net (david harmon)
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:36:41 -0300
Subject: Re: news stand

Where do i get muscle car review? I have not seen it at news stands here
. I live in Tennessee.

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:37:16 -0300
Subject: I need a Job....(very NON-OLDS)

Well since I just graduated and am unemployed myself I thought I would make
an attempt here to see if maybe anyone has or knows of a job opening. I just
graduated with my Masters of Arts in Sport Administration. Before that I got
a Bachelors of Business Administration with a Marketing concentration.
Basically I am looking in the administrative, management, finance, marketing
and general business areas. Any help for this poor innocent chevy infected
sole would be appreciated ;-) Please e-mail me privately at z28cfi@gwis.com
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28............13.402 @ 102.31
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..restoration project

------------------------------

From: "Dan Miller" <Dsm137@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:39:09 -0300
Subject: RE: Re Yellow interior

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca on behalf of Paul Hartlieb
Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 4:52 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I used to have a '67 Sales brochure and if I'm not mistaken, didn't they
> have a photo of a yellow rag top 4-4-2 with yellow interior?  I know it was
> a yellow car as it had the thin red wall tires and it looked SO nice with
> the SSI's.
>
> Someone out there has a brochure - see if age has dimmed the brain cells
> here (hey, I'm talking 17 years of memory from when I had this brochure).
>
> Lisa Madsen

Lisa,

I'm looking at that picture right now.  I can't tell if the convertible
is supposed to be yellow, or gold.  I'll buy yellow.

Also can't tell if the interior is supposed to be yellow or champagne.
I'll buy yellow here too.

And those red line tire do look nice with the...

WIRE WHEEL COVERS!

Do you remember the red fender stripes?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible


Well Well Well..........That Damn Yellow Interior thing again!!!!!!!

I don'tn have the 442, but I have a '67 Rag top..........Yellow
outside......Yellow inside.........Black top   That is my Cutlass. It is
original, and I am still having a hard time finding the interior " leather ".
 So yes they did make them and offer them. The car is not in front of me
right now....but if someone needs me to check the ª ' s, I most certainly
will!!!

Dan.

------------------------------

From: Daren@bbs.qconline.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:11:50 -0300
Subject: newcomer and a greenhorn

OL>I have zillion of questions in my head, but firstly can anybody give me a
OL>history of Delta 88, since its very hard to find articles on that subject.

OL>thanks a bunch,

OL>jusuf

                               base                        wheel
          weight
                               price   produced     base     length
in u.s. lbs.

celebrity sedan    $3158    29915        123      216.9     4131
holiday coupe      $3253    23194
4112
holiday sedan      $3330    37358
4194

three differant 425's were availible
310hp.   standard super rocket
300hp.   optional  L65
360hp.   optional  L74

4.13 bore  3.98 stroke

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:03:40 -0300
Subject: ******Olds Chat Warning******

>
>You should have warned us that Olds-chat is JAVA only! Us AOL guys would have
>to enable AOL, minimize it and then run a better webrunner just to show up
>and chat!
>Uncool.
>
>Cool page though. Gotta give you that.


Hi all...  I just got this personally, but figured I'd forward the most of
it.  I'm ~completely~ unfamiliar with AOL's system, so I've been unaware of
any Java related problems.  Apparantly it won't work there.  Since all I had
to do was paste in five lines of code, I figured it was ~way~ too easy to
pass up.  Never considerred that some may not be able to use it.  ~Big~
bummer!!!  My apologies to the folks with America on Hold, uh, I mean, On
Line (sorry, couldn't resist!).  I guess it ain't gonna work for everyone.
I'll leave it up and running though, and the door is always open, and if the
AOl'ers feel adventurous, and can find a way to use it, it'll be great to
see.  Otherwise, I guess it's gonna be kinda dull still  :(

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:03:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Duals, Cat's, and I/M tests

At 12:04 AM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 08:56 PM 5/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>A couple of friends reccomened a local muffler shop to install dual exhaust
>>on my 77 Olds Cutlass Supreme. I went by to speak to Jeff for an estimate
>[snip]
>>highly reccomended. But i was wondering would dual exhaust on my car be
>>illegal? Does that require removing the Catylitic converter?? Or is the
>
>I believe the law against removing factory-installed catalytic converters is
>a Federal one, so it applies regardless of what state you're in.

It's against Federal law to remove a Cat, and dealers can face astronomical
fines for doing so.  If the cat is already removed, the dealer has no
concerns to speak of.  If an inspector ever comes to a shop and sees a cat
(not feline!) on the floor, it better well have a tag saying what car it
came off of, and tags from the ~new~ cat that was installed in its place, or
they face some serious doo-doo!  The number $25000 sticks in my mind, but I
think their fines are much higher.  If there's no cat to contend with, they
can put any exhaust they want to; they're not legally obligated to make it
functionally original, and in most states, you aren't either.  If I were in
that position, I'd yank off the entire exhaust (before the cat) and drag the
car down there.  That way they have no worries about the cat, all they know
is that it needs some pipes going from point A to point B.

There are plenty of aftermarket cat suppliers, however.  (Keep in mind that
there are many different grades, as well... More later...)  You ~can~ have
two new cats installed, if you like, and run new exhaust all the way back.
This is for the California minded runners.  There, they look at the year,
then look at the car, and say, "Uh, there's something missing here.  Get it
fixed or get it off the streets..."

As I said, there are different grades of convertors out there, all with
different $$$'s.  The rule that you get what you pay for is rumoured to
apply here.  The scenario is that a car goes into a checkstation, and fails.
It then goes to a shop, to find out ~why~ it fails.  Cat's shot, they say.
So, they may give you a couple options.  This GM unit for $385, or this
aftermarket job for $135.  So, you choose door number "B" and go back to the
check station.  Congratulations, they tell you.  Much better...  BUT, you
still failed.  Some of the cheaper cat's use lower grade platinum and
palladium pellets in there (less pure, I guess) so they are not as efficient
as the good ones.  So, you go back to the shop, and tell them you flunked
the I/M, and want your $$$ back on the cat.  Nope, can only give you core
value, it's used...  So, you bought that one, traded it in on a ~good~ on
(this case, the GM unit) and then went back and passed the I/M with flying
colors.

This has supposedly happened (although not to me).  However, the I/M testing
sites, (I hear) will keep a record of all the failures, etc. and all the
shops that had worked on them.  There will be a record of each shops success
rate.  (How many they've passed, and how many of their jobs failed)  This
will be a very valuable tool, and the shops know they will have to perform
well.  Therefore, many will not even give you an option of a lower class
product.  This is why.

When I studied the OBD-II and III, and the I/M-240 test procedures, we
discussed a lot of this stuff.  This was a couple years ago, when the I/M
was new.  I haven't seen any of it here in Montana (nor do I expect to...
ever!) so I have no idea how much of these practices were actually
implemented.  Nor am I implying that GM makes the best cats out there, cuz I
have no idea.  It's just an example.  When buying cats, do a bit of homework
first, cuz it can save you $$$ in the long run.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:03:45 -0300
Subject: Chrome SSIII's (Was:  New Pic's)

At 09:46 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I like 'em!  Where'd you get them and how much?  What size tires do you
>have on now; and do they affect the ride much (I assume you had 14's
>before)?  Thanks.
>

I got the chrome 15" SSIII's for $200 with ~good~ rubber, and all four caps.
I figure I got a ~really~ good deal, expecially from the place I got 'em
from!  They came off of an '81 Delta 2 Door.

So, would these be SSIV's??? :)

Did these ever have trim rings on 'em, anyone know???  Two of mine are
peeling and rusted, and trim rings would cover it up fine, but I think it'd
look kinda tacky.  Especially when the rust is kinda tough to see, unless
it's at a show...



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:03:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

At 09:31 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>> From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
>>
>>      And tell us you didn't volunteer to demonstrate the cleaning powers
>of
>>      Brakleen... ;)
>>
>A little of that brake cleaner on there and they would have been shucking
>those pants and you would have had a real show to tell us about.
>
>

Plus the fumes would have gotten them pretty exitable to start with.  It's
almost too bad they were long gone when I noticed the stains :(


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:03:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

>>"You got one of them 442 cubic inch motors in it, or just a 396?"
>

         < < < S N I P > > >

My most heard comment is "Uh, where's the rest of it?"  Someday my cars will
be ~all~ together!!! (I hope...)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:03:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 - 307 Swap

>No, you don't have to dump the computer at all. Doug Roe's Rochester Carb
>book has a good chapter on modifying an electronic Q-jet (which, of course,
>is computer controlled); highly recommended as a reference for anyone doing
>work on a Q-jet. Only part-throttle and idle is controlled by the computer,
>which formerly was controlled by vacuum on a non-electronic Q-jet;
>everything else (accelerator pump, secondary barrels) is "open loop", so the
>same mods for an older Q-jet apply there as well. In fact, as long as your
>350's cam isn't too wild, the computer should be able to compensate for the
>extra 43 cubic inches. You could use a stock 307 intake, or probably even a
>Performer, as long as you have the hookups for the lines and sensors.


I ran the ~very~ built 350, and my 403 through the computer with the 260's
stock prom.  I lost a lot of performance due to the timing curve, but
everything else worked fine.  I got decent mileage with it, too.  It was
halfway through the 403's life that I dumped the computer, because I didn't
want to spend $250 on a custom prom, and had finally found a vac.
distributor for it...  (Ya know, things were tight back then...)  The
computer should be able to easily run the 455, as well.  It only measures
percentages, (oxygen content) so the displacement shouldn't have that big of
an affect.  The big problem, as I said, lies in the advance curve.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:05:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 choke spring/cover

Yeah get one off a junkyard 69  OLDS 98 or Delta  its the one you need or
cough
out $70 for a Repro one from Supercars Unlimited Portland OR.  Carb ª is
right for 69 H/O.

I got one from a PickAPART for $5 and had Steve Gregori replate for
another $5.  SUch a deal!   Sounds like your car is as screwed up as mine
was.  Did you get those OLDS service or Assembly manuals??? Some stuff is
unique to 69 H/O much is NOT.  It will tell you vacuum hose routing,carb
workings, etc  more then anyone could write over the internet. I have two
service manuals one for the garage nice and greasy and torn, another to
read on the couch inside.

Not that I know anything!

On Mon, 19 May 1997, MROTHE wrote:

> Anyone know where I can find a carb divorced choke spring/rod/cover for
> my 69 H/O 455?  It is of the run of the mill Cutlass/442 4-bbl. type.  I
> have heard Brother's has 'em, but they haven't sent my coil springs for
> the suspension yet (ordered in MARCH!) so I don't want to wait until I'm
> dead to get one.  Carb number 7029251.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Rothe
>
>

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 02:09:42 -0300
Subject: Re: 1977 Hurst Olds?

Supposidely only one 77 H/O was made, it showed up at the New Jersey OCA
nationals in 93/4?  ANyway it was STILL registared in Hurst Cos name as
the title hadn't been changed.  Black and GOld  I'd get the VIN and do a
trace back of owners see is Hurst ever owned it.  DOUBT IT!

On Mon, 19 May 1997, Clark Rempel wrote:

> Hello, my name is Clark, and I am new to the list.  I'm currently
> considering the purchase of, what I am told, is a '77 Hurst/Olds.  The
> current owner (the second) seems to know very little about the car: a
> medium blue Cutlass with light blue body length "Hurst/Olds - W30"
> stripes.  According to the current owner the car was repainted several
> years ago and the stripes re-applied with an aftermarket stencil kit.  I
> have looked the car over thoroughly (it's in beautiful shape) and the
> stripes appear to be its only distinguishing feature.  Is there any sure
> fire method of authenticating the car as a genuine Hurst?  Serial number?
>  Any special parts to look for?
> Thanks in advance - Clark Rempel   (amxclark@mb.sympatico.ca)
>
>
>

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 21:13:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIII's (Was:  New Pic's)

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
>
> Did these ever have trim rings on 'em, anyone know???  Two of mine are
> peeling and rusted, and trim rings would cover it up fine, but I think it'd
> look kinda tacky.  Especially when the rust is kinda tough to see, unless
> it's at a show...
>
>
>              Charley Buehner
Charley,

Watch out using those trim rings as they will scratch the chrome so that
you will always have to use them.  They should look ok though.  Chrysler
& Oldsmobile have used chroome centers w/painted rims that required the
trim rings.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS.  How much is Montana paying you to get out of state?  Did you take
bids?  Which state is losing....er.....are you moving to?

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From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 04:30:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Center Caps (Olds)

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> Pat
>
>         You can go down to your local Olds dealer and buy the rocket emblems
> for the SSII's which will fit. The only bad thing is the list price is
> steep. I can get them but they are over $14.00 each.
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> 72 442 (350)
> 86 Ninety Eight
> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> 96 C-1500

Jim,

   When you say 'rocket emblems' I assume you mean the 2"(approx.) black
center part. I have talked to my local Olds. dealers a few times and
there always kind of short with me when I say '69'. this time they both
say they can't get them anymore. 4 or 5 years ago they could but now
there not in the book. Right:-{

Your right, if-WHEN, I get them $56 for set is a bit high, but I showed
my wife a set the other day and told her my plans including the co$t,
she didn't even blink just said "that'll look good". Big victory in my
world.

What dealer did you talk to? Every other Olds related part gets shipped.
The UPS guy knows I got an Olds.

Thanks
Pat McDermott
69 Cutlass 'S'

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:27:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

Dave Paulison wrote:
>
> >On my 68 442, the cap say it is a 7lb cap.  Is this right?
>
> Apparently so...  :o
>
> Radiator caps are made to hold different amounts of pressure, 7 lb. and
> 15 lb. caps being two different examples.  I have a 15 lb. cap on my
> Cutlass.

What I don't understand is why is mine 7?  Most of the e-mail I have
read have indicated that people have 15.  Is this because of a recovery
bottle?

Chris

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:18:08 -0300
Subject: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

Whenever anyone has every ordered upholstery from a company out of a
magazine, how close was it to original?  I've sent away for some samples a
few times and it hasn't even been close.  It tries to give my felt-single
tone fabric.  What is this?  Does anyone know why?  Or has anyone found
some real fabric that is actually close to original?  If so do you know
where and who from?

                                                        Curious,
                                                                Youngin'
                                                                '53 Super 88

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