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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 22 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 689

rocket 350  or regular 350???
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)
Re: 350 cubic inch recipe ?
Re: news stand
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Re: What speeds
Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?
Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?
Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)
Re: The cat [dog] is out of the bag!
One more for the road...
Dual conversion exhaust:
Celebrity Olds Sleuthing
Re: Need help
Re: Car for Sale
Re: Celebrity Olds Sleuthing
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Chevy Quality
Re: What speeds
Re: Things people have said about my cars
69 455 Engine's from Delta 88's
Rocket Engines - the story
Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re: Rocket Engines - the story
Re: `67CS questions
455 out of a '69 Delta 88- part two
Re: Celebrity Olds Sleuthing
no subject
69 455 stuff -- Also Delta GT???
Re: Car for Sale
Re: 350 cubic inch recipe ?
Re: 71' 442 asking again

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:11:16 -0300
Subject: rocket 350  or regular 350???

Peg O'Connor wrote:
>
> > thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
> > someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
> > told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
> > that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
> > a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
> > rocket.
>
> Maybe I was born stupid, then, but I thought I'd heard somewhere that
> there really was a Rocket engine, per se, that was different.  If not,
> someone clear me up so I don't go around being ignorant anymore!!!
>
> 8)
> peg
Maybe the first high compression ones were nicknamed rockets, but seeing
that alot of the big family cars that had 455s in them had the air
cleaner sticker "455 Rocket" or in other word 455 Olds.  The rocket has
been a long time symbol of olds, I've been doing alot of research on
this because my friends and I were trying to compare a regular 350 and a
rocket 350, not possible.  I don't know what could be different.  I
suppose you could call the high comp one rockets. Another thing, I was
at a gas station with my 68 442 and some guy came over and asked me if
that had one of those "olds hog blocks", I've never heard this before,
anyone???
Marty
68 442

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:19:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
> Charley Buehner wrote:
> >
> > >>"You got one of them 442 cubic inch motors in it, or just a 396?"
> > >
> >
> >          < < < S N I P > > >
> >
> > My most heard comment is "Uh, where's the rest of it?"  Someday my cars
will > > be ~all~ together!!! (I hope...) > > > > > I got a good one at the
tire store Tuesday, from a guy with a beautiful > 440 Challenger.  He insisted
that my car ('84 H/O) _had_ to have a turbo > since it has "a bump on the
hood", and that I couldn't have a 307 since > they stopped making them in the
early 70's, it was a 305.  He just > couldn't comprehend an "Olds block". > >
Tom Lentz > tlentz@ior.com Mopar people for ya.

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:18:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)

Mark Cornea (R) wrote:
>
> > >Maybe I was born stupid, then, but I thought I'd heard somewhere that
> > >there really was a Rocket engine, per se, that was different.  If not,
> > >someone clear me up so I don't go around being ignorant anymore!!!
> > >
> >  I thought so too. The air cleaner on my 80 and 75 Olds say "Oldsmobile
350" > > while the air cleaner emblem on a 72 I have at the yard says
"Oldsmobile > > Rocket 350"...hmmmm > >         The word "Rocket" on the
air/cleaner decals was dropped in 1973, except > for, (and I'm 99% sure) the
'73, '74 and '75 H/O's were the ONLY ones that said > "Rocket" on them. >
___  ___ >                                               /     /    / /  / >
/ __  /  --/ /  / >        Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/
/__/ Red > >              (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)  OCAª 4903 The older
deltas had "Rocket 455" on the air cleaners and a friends old 72 cutlas S had
a "Rocket 350" air cleaner. Marty 68442

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:26:46 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 cubic inch recipe ?

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
>
> Here is a question for anyone who has rebuilt an Olds engine (particularly a
> 350):
>
> I am about to start ordering rebuild items for my '69 350, and am slightly
> overwhelmed at all that is available.  I recently picked up a Edelbrock 635
> carb, and I still need a 4bbl manifold, and all new 350 internal components.
>  I see kits everywhere, but I know that many of the components in them are
> ones that I plan on replacing with high performance parts.  I don't want to
> buy the kit and then go out and buy double when I get the high performance
> items.  I'm sure many of you have done this, and my question is:
>
> What is the recipe for building a strong  slightly modified high performance
> 350?
>
> This will be more of a cruising vehicle, but I definitely must have plenty
> 'o PUNCH when one of those blasted F@RDs pull up next to me ;-)
>
> Thanks a bunch,
>
>   .
> / | \
> | | |
> |/|\|
> \ | /
>  Jeff Zeilmann
> SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
> '68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible
pocket port your heads and a 284 duration .488 lift cam and you'll get
395 hp and 425 ft lbs of torque, thats with an Edelbrock 750, performer
RPM int, and headers, also running 10:1 comp and ª7 heads,
We're putting this in a 49 dodge truck with a 12 bolt 3.36 possi and a
th-350 with a TCI 11 inch breakaway converter 2500 stall.
It should motivate.
Marty
68 442

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:40:41 -0300
Subject: Re: news stand

david harmon wrote:
>
> Where do i get muscle car review? I have not seen it at news stands here
> . I live in Tennessee.

 I can never find it in Arlington Texas(by Dallas)either.

  RS
'70 442 4-speed

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:02:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

Thanks Mike and Jim.  Now I know what to look for when I go to the junque
yard Sat., not like I'm expecting to find a hood, but you never know.  And
I've also wondered about the differences too.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31  that will NOT be getting a ram air hood installed should
I find one
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:51:06 -0300
Subject: Re: What speeds

And have the cell phone and AAA number handy :)  Never hurts to be
prepared.


>What exactly do you mean? How _safe_ can you go in each gear, or how much
>can you _possibly_ go in each gear?
>In either case, the governor in the transmission is supposed to force an
>upshift at a certain rpm, which is usually (when everything is working
>right) below the engine speed at which you start needing a new engine. So
>unless it *never* shifts at wide-open throttle, just keep your foot in it
>and see how fast it goes!
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute,IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:07:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

I don't know if he can help for a '53, but JWO lists a source for '54 and
up Olds interiors:

Harry Samuel Interiors
65 Wisner Street
Pontiac, Mi 48342
810-335-1900

His ad says "Specializing in 1954 to 1972 F-85, 88 & 98, 54-57 Datona
Weave, 58-9 flecked carpets... NOS seat cloth and vinyl, headliners,
package trays, trunk mats, interior soft trim and more..."

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:10:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

Ooops... forgot this in the previous message. There is also an Olds Club
advisor for the '53 models who might be able to help.

Hank Roeters
7206 Richard Rd.
Darien, Illinois
60561

630-963-1383
fax 630-963-7785

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:11:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)

Mark Cornea (R) wrote:
>
> > >Maybe I was born stupid, then, but I thought I'd heard somewhere that
> > >there really was a Rocket engine, per se, that was different.  If not,
> > >someone clear me up so I don't go around being ignorant anymore!!!
> > >
> >  I thought so too. The air cleaner on my 80 and 75 Olds say "Oldsmobile
350" > > while the air cleaner emblem on a 72 I have at the yard says
"Oldsmobile > > Rocket 350"...hmmmm > >         The word "Rocket" on the
air/cleaner decals was dropped in 1973, except > for, (and I'm 99% sure) the
'73, '74 and '75 H/O's were the ONLY ones that said > "Rocket" on them. >
___  ___ >                                               /     /    / /  / >
/ __  /  --/ /  / >        Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/
/__/ Red > >              (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)  OCAª 4903

  Hey Mark,
Does your 442 air cleaner have a 455 ROCKET decal on it? By the way did
you read that article on how to detail a 442 air cleaner in Car Craft
mag. it was the April '97 issue. If so my air cleaner flap door doesn't
have a short screw it has some weird thing in place of the screw does
yours have the weird thing that mine has?(no I am not talking about the
hinge its the thing above it)

  RS
'70 442 4-speed

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From: Willie Fruean <aceface@lava.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:43:14 -0300
Subject: Re: The cat [dog] is out of the bag!

Hello David,

I ran across this old letter from you and was wonderinf if you could
send me the olds FAQ. I have a 1957 Super 88.

Thanks,
Willie

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:13:05 -0300
Subject: One more for the road...

     Bought a sister for the Rockit today.  Unfortunately, she had a
multitude of terminal illnesses, but she's agreed to be an organ donor
(posthumously).  I may have to do a little reconstructive surgery to 'er
though, just to get 'er out of the coffin.  I need to throw a rotor and some
tires on, a steering column and master cylinder would be a good idea, also.
The maiden voyage will be on a tow truck to my house (He's actually
deliverring it for me!:) and the next one will be on a car trailer.  It's an
'81 Brougham, with two ~perfect~ doors, although they still have window
cranks on 'em:(  Grilles are good (and lying on the seat...)  Front end
damage, no engine, no tranny.  Locking Spokes--appear to be all four of 'em
(didn't look that close at the stack...).  Glass is good, ~most~ of the
lower trunk chrome is good, back bumper is good, cover's a little warped, it
looks like.  No fancy guages.  Hood's bent up in the back corner pretty bad.
Don't know what that's from.

If I get this other one ('82, I think) that I've been scamming on, I should
be able to have one -complete- good shell, if I'd want to do it that way.  I
still like the idea of lining them up in a row, just because...

It's too bad, though, 'cuz each car I buy is another trip I'll have to make,
and another $65 in gas...  I ~hope~ I can find a house with a ~big~ backyard
down there!!!

I'll have updates on this car as they develop...



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:05:22 -0300
Subject: Dual conversion exhaust:

  I just tried to get the local garage to order me in dual exhaust for my
dual-manifold single-exhaust cutlass.  He said that no one could bend him
pipes without seeing the car, so I gotta take it in.  He also said I
should get a dual-hump tranny crossover.

I don't intend on getting the new crossmember, I'll tell the exhaust shop
to bend the pipe under the cross-member.  Has anyone ever done this, with
what results?  Am I missing a better idea?  The car is a 75 cutlass, 455
that came with normal single exhaust...

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.1.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:14:09 -0300
Subject: Celebrity Olds Sleuthing

Thought you might enjoy this....

My buddy Brian Smith owns an immaculate 71 SX that we enviously call the
"trailer queen" because he is downright paranoid about driving it on
potentially messy days since it is so meticulously restored. Despite
that, he is a good guy and helps us with our projects since he is a total
Olds nutcase. He dreams about someday owning another Olds, a 70-'72
convertible to be exact, despite the financial unreality of the cause. So
whenever any of us here gets word of such a vehicle, we immediately pass
it on to him and enjoy watching him suffer. ;-)

Last weekend he got double-teamed. Both our mutual friend Steve and
myself spotted a new kid in town: a 72 Supreme convertible, white, black
top, white bench interior, factory 8-track, kind of tired-looking but
very original and solid. Halifax is small enough that we pretty much know
the whereabouts of all of these cars, and this one was definitely a new
arrival. Both Steve and I told him about it within a few minutes of each
other, and that got the wheels turning in his mind. As the weekend went
on we set the hook and added to our descriptions with phrases like "looks
real solid"... "gee, that white interior is perfect for a convertible"...
"wouldn't take much to make it _real nice_"... "y'know, I bet you could
get that for under $5K"... you get the picture. By Sunday night he was
hopeless. He _had_ to know more about this car.

Monday afternoon I was out in my car when I spotted it again. I chased it
around the downtown for about 20 minutes before I was able to get close
enough to get a license plate ª and a look at the driver. I pushed Brian
over the edge when I told him the driver didn't look like a car guy (and
he didn't; more like a trendy artist type, more on that later). Visions
of snagging this car for a song and taking it from a potentially dark
future to a good home made him crazy. When I told him I had a license
plate ª he couldn't get it out of me fast enough. Around here the RMV
won't tell you who owns a car with a given plate ª so I didn't know why
it would help him, but little did I know...

Tuesday I got a call from a deflated Olds booster. He had spent much of
the day pulling favors from all over and somehow (don't think I want to
know how) found the owner. Said person is a celebrity here, a
Celtic/punk/alternative musician (fiddle player, to be exact) of some
notoriety named Ashley MacIsaac. Canadians in the audience may be aware of
him and his behavior. His rather colorful lifestyle and musical talents
(which are lost on me) have made him wealthy beyond his years and wisdom.
Apparently MacIsaac figured that a old convertible would be a cool thing
to own and had someone find one for him. Hopefully, he at least knows what
it is he has. Brian was able to somehow determine when the car arrived
here (last fall) and how much it is valued at (either for insurance or tax
purposes, not sure): $10K. Truthfully, if that's what he paid for it, he
was swindled, for it might be worth half that. Of course, he probably
doesn't either know or care about that, being a star with more $ than
sense.

Brian's disappointment was heavier than a 76 Custom Cruiser, since he knew
that not only did his visions of scoring his dream convertible for a
manageable price just disappear, but also that the owner couldn't care
less about the car. Poor devil... we are still consoling him over his
loss. ;-) We all said a quick prayer for the car too, hoping that it won't
get discarded like an old toy or worse, destroyed. Sometimes it's painful
to care for these machines so much.


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:05:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Need help

At 09:26 AM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hey all, I need some help, badly.  Yesterday, as I was driving my 67'
>Cutlass, some guy pulled out and T-Boned me on the passenger side.  So,
>needless to say I'm looking for some parts. Looking for a right rear
>quarter panel, right door, right front fender, right rear window, and that
>piece that is part of the quarter panel and the door jam.  I also need
>all the trim and emblems.  The Cutlass is a two door coupe with the 330
>and a 2bbl carb.  If anybody can give me some phone numbers, or the address
>of some parts companies, i would appreciate it.
>
>Thanks
>
>Chad Tearney
>1967 Olds Cutlass (injured)
>
>My partner has a 67 cutlass body. I'll ask him about parts for you. I'm in
central Alabama.

Jim Smith
65 442

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:21:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Car for Sale

>      Lets try this again:
>
>      I have a 1969 (not 1996) Olds 88 Convertible for sale.  It is in
>      very good condition and I have had a lot of work done on it.
Thats better I was wondering just how much work a 96 Olds would need in 97.

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:25:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Celebrity Olds Sleuthing

The word about Ashley MacIsaac has spread to some of us on the west coast
of the US. Amazing stuff comes from the Maritimes. This is a rock musician
who's rooted in Scottish folk music. Go figure. Cool tunes though.

And he drives an Olds. Even cooler.
cf

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:11:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> The factory, non-recovery systems often run aroud 14-16psi caps. As someone
> else noted, your cap is probably non-standard. You probably have a leak in
> the system at around 10-12psi, so a former owner installed a 7psi cap:
> Problem Solved! ;)

I shouldn't have a leak since I had the radiator overhauled.  I don't
remember
having a 15psi cap originally.

> Seriously, I'd have the system pressure tested to see where the leak is,
> repair it, put a factory-rated cap on (15psi, I'd bet), and add a coolant
> overflow tank, either aftermarket or adapt a factory system. I'm glad I did
> this to my '69 455; adds about 10-15% more coolant, and makes your whole
> system run cooler (the car's system, I mean).

Well I had my radiator mechanic put an overflow tank on and I don't
notice any
leaks.  Maybe I should have this checked.

Chris Sparks

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:30:28 -0300
Subject: Chevy Quality

Hey, guys.  Today, a friend of mine at school said he blew the motor in
his 87 Monte SS.  Said the head gasket broke, allowing water into the
piston; it compressed, and bend a rod.  Now it sounds like he's taking a
hammer to the outside of the door when he drives away...

Oh, well...says he's looking at an S10 pickup...some people never learn.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:17:19 -0300
Subject: Re: What speeds

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> What exactly do you mean? How _safe_ can you go in each gear, or how much
> can you _possibly_ go in each gear?

Yes and yes.

> In either case, the governor in the transmission is supposed to force an
> upshift at a certain rpm, which is usually (when everything is working

Even if you have it in anything but "D" position?

> right) below the engine speed at which you start needing a new engine. So
> unless it *never* shifts at wide-open throttle, just keep your foot in it
> and see how fast it goes!

When I floor the gas pedal, I get poor response.  When I half way the
pedal
I get out of first around 25, second 35, third ?40/45.  When I had my 77
Olds (3 speed) I could go up to almost 50 in first, 70 in second, etc.

Chris Sparks

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:47:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

> >And dont even try explaining to the younger generation that the different
> >car companies
> >actually made their own engines.They all think that all cars had Chª$y
> >engines in them
> >like todays generic cars.UGHHH.
>
> The younger generation?  I've had plenty of trouble telling 40yr olds that
> olds pontiac and buick each built their own different engines.  I've even
> had people argue with me that olds engines are identical to chevys.

The ones I always seem to run into are:
1) All Olds and Buick engines are the same (never mind where the
distributor is).
2) The Olds 350, 400, 455 are the same BLOCK.  I guess these people
heard about how many parts interchange on the Olds engines and took this
to an extreme!

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:07:06 -0300
Subject: 69 455 Engine's from Delta 88's

My brother (the Buick GS guy) tells me that a guy
he works with has a '69 Delta 88 for sale.  Apparently
it was this persons grandfathers and he recently passed
away.  The car passed Illinois emissions last year, and
it has 67,000 miles on it.

The reason my brother called me is that he thinks I might
want the 455 out of the car.  He wants the trans.  I have
no idea if the car itself is a rust bucket or not.

Off the top of my head, a spare 455 for the 442 doesnt
sound like a bad idea.  I assume its got C heads, which
should be somewhat desirable, although I assume they are
small valve units.  Any other features of a '69
455 that make it a keeper?

Whats the going price for a complete 455 these days?

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:05:00 -0300
Subject: Rocket Engines - the story

> > thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
> > someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
> > told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
> > that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
> > a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
> > rocket.

OK, the Rocket engine debuted in 1949.  It was termed the Rocket 88
engine.  This engine was big in NASCAR, in fact with the automatic (no
manual trans available early on), the Rocket won 8 out of 10 races in
1950.  This engine had a number of interesting features; overhead
valvetrain, hydraulic lifters, oversquare bore-stroke ratio, forged
crank with counterweights, aluminum pistons, full-floating wrist-pins,
and a dual plane intake manifold.

In 1957 Olds released the J-2 Golden Rocket.  This was a 371 inch engine
with a six-pack (it only came with a six-pack) that put out 312 horses.
Pity they only made them for 1 year.

I guess that once Olds hooked onto the Rocket name in '49 and people
associated it with Oldsmobile, they continued to use it for many years
because of that association.  You could say that any ~Olds built~ V8
from '49 up is a Rocket engine

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: odang@vico.co.id (Jusuf R. Odang)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 05:08:35 -0300
Subject: Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

Hi.....

me, Jusuf from Jakarta is back again.

first of all I've received  alot of respons to my first enquiry , thank you
so much and more enquries will come, so please bare with me .
secondly, I am glad somebody who knows and own Olds. is in Jakarta, Ben,
who's with marine and now is in West Jakarta,Middle East(???) (its in South
East Asia).I am wandering if I can meet you while you're still in Jakarta ??
My phone number is 523 6960 (office hour), 781 4556 (home).

If Iam not mistaken, there was another Olds here in Jakarta around 10 yrs.
ago but I do not know how many at present, at least there is one '65  Delta
88 in Jakarta and soon will show off  around Jakarta.Imagine with traffic
jam in Jakarta (it's traffic jam all the time in Jakarta), with left hand
drive steering wheel on right hand drive street.

regards from Jakarta, Indonesia,

Jusuf
'65  Delta 88.


>
>> Well, I can't imagine there are any subscribers more geographically
>> far-removed from Lansing, Michigan, than Jusuf in Jakarta.  Good luck
>> with the restoration, and welcome to the list.
>
>Just to correct you on your reply... I am not living in the country,
>but am on deployment with the Marine Corps and right now am in the
>middle east several days west of Jakarta. It's neat to finally see
>some posts from somebody who is not in the States. It's great to hear
>that Olds is everywhere in the world!
>
>Ben
>'62 F-85
>'68 442
>
>

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:21:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket Engines - the story

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> > > thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
> > > someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
> > > told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
> > > that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
> > > a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
> > > rocket.
>
> OK, the Rocket engine debuted in 1949.  It was termed the Rocket 88
> engine.  This engine was big in NASCAR, in fact with the automatic (no
> manual trans available early on), the Rocket won 8 out of 10 races in
> 1950.  This engine had a number of interesting features; overhead
> valvetrain, hydraulic lifters, oversquare bore-stroke ratio, forged
> crank with counterweights, aluminum pistons, full-floating wrist-pins,
> and a dual plane intake manifold.
>
> In 1957 Olds released the J-2 Golden Rocket.  This was a 371 inch engine
> with a six-pack (it only came with a six-pack) that put out 312 horses.
> Pity they only made them for 1 year.
>
> I guess that once Olds hooked onto the Rocket name in '49 and people
> associated it with Oldsmobile, they continued to use it for many years
> because of that association.  You could say that any ~Olds built~ V8
> from '49 up is a Rocket engine
>
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
Thankyou for clarifing that.

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:40:47 -0300
Subject: Re: `67CS questions

Greg Pruett wrote:

> C/S badges:  The ones located just behind the side windows on the pilar.
> Well I guess you can't really call it a pillar, but that's the best term I
> can think of for it.  What do they call that part on a hardtop car?

Sail panels.  The interior panels in this area are sometimes referred to
as earmuffs.

> I'm also having trouble with the keys.  Which one fits the door locks, the
> ignition or the trunk key?  The locks haven't been used in so long they've
> gotten awfully stiff, neither key will turn them.  I though I'd better find
> out exaclty which key is meant for them.


The hex shaped key works the ignition and the door locks.  The other one
works the glove box and the trunk, just like your '72.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:52:02 -0300
Subject: 455 out of a '69 Delta 88- part two

One more question on the 1969 version of the 455.

Apparently there were three versions of the 455 available
in the '69 88.  Low compression 310hp, (?)mid compression(?)
and high compression 390hp.  How do you tell these apart
easily?  Carb numbers? Any other external clues?

- -Jeff

jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:00:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Celebrity Olds Sleuthing

>Brian's disappointment was heavier than a 76 Custom Cruiser, since he knew
>that not only did his visions of scoring his dream convertible for a
>manageable price just disappear, but also that the owner couldn't care
>less about the car. Poor devil... we are still consoling him over his
>loss. ;-) We all said a quick prayer for the car too, hoping that it won't
>get discarded like an old toy or worse, destroyed. Sometimes it's painful
>to care for these machines so much.
>
>

Yes, but did he try "Nice Chevy...  Take 5K for it???"   :)

How about:  "Why's it dog-track so much?  Has it been wrecked?"  With all
those connections, maybe Brian could bribe a mechanic into telling the guy
his car ~is~ in fact twisted beyond repair, and then he'd be more willing to
give up on it...

Or, maybe crawl under it on his last night in town, and make sure it won't
move for him in the morning ("shh....")  Just happen to be driving by in the
Buick (with a For Sale sign, of course) and offer assistance.  Work your way
in, and finally say, "Well, you're in a big hurry...  If you'd like, I'd
trade ya mine for yours, plus a grand or so... and I'll worry about towing
this thing outta here later on..."  Then you can sell it to Brian for twice
it's value after you plug the coil back in... ;)

Oh, wait.  Did you already sell the Buick Convert, Greg?  I seem to remember
that you had.  Maybe something else...

Good luck, anyway.  If all else fails, get lots of pictures of it.  Worse
comes to worse, maybe the guy will make it big someday, and then there'll be
another famous person with an Olds (who has no idea of it's value... :(  )


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: KRAUSE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:53:15 -0300
Subject: no subject

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:23:33 -0300
Subject: 69 455 stuff -- Also Delta GT???

At 10:52 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>One more question on the 1969 version of the 455.
>
>Apparently there were three versions of the 455 available
>in the '69 88.  Low compression 310hp, (?)mid compression(?)
>and high compression 390hp.  How do you tell these apart
>easily?  Carb numbers? Any other external clues?

I'd ~imagine~ that these numbers aren't necessarily compression related.  My
guess is that the figures represent 2 Bbl, 4 Bbl, and Toro.  Maybe a
difference for single vs. dual exhaust, too?

Ok, hang on a minute....  I'm back :)  My book (No gospel mind you, but it
~is~ a hard bound book!) shows the '69 455's at having the following
statistics...
Toro:  375@4600 ; 400@4800 for the W-34
98:    365@4600
Delta: 365@4600 ; 390@5000 for GT     ---A Delta 88 GT?????  Hmm.
Delta: 310@4200  Must be 2 Bbl, doesn't specify...


The Toro's had the big valves, amounting for their extra HP.  the W-34 was
Toro's OAI system, right?  That'd account for it's higher hp.  The other's
were the 2 and 4 barrel engines.  The Toro's can be identified by their
extremely low intake plane (carb sits ~way~ down there!!!)  They can also be
identified by their unique oil pan and their oil filter that sits off at an
angle.  All of these parts can be switched, so you may not know without
pulling heads (or sticking a boroscope in there, and seeing valves bigger
than the pistons! :)

No matter what version of the 69 455 you get (actually, pre '71, in my book,
although after that you get the hardenned seats...) will be a good
contender.  All of 'em will gladly take an aftermarket intake and headers,
and you can get cams for 'em to do some really wild stuff for ya.

Does anyone know anything about the Delta GT???  I've never heard of it.  Is
this a misprint, or have I not met one of our cousins, yet?  :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:41:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Car for Sale

go to www.442.com    this takes you to the bryceman's olds page   they have a
good listing of clubs     this is a rock solid olds web site     they have
everything you need for information and specs  and its free

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From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:45:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 cubic inch recipe ?

go to www.442.com    they have everything you need to know on rebuilding
    it is not just dedicated to 442'     it takes you to bryceman olds page
and they have everything from torque specs to member's rides   this is a free
web site and a good one

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From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:39:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 71' 442 asking again

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dont have any manuals but i have a few pics      I have a 71 olds 442 myself
 the pics are not of my car but of a friends     if you come across a manual
source please let me know   the pic is of a 69 442

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