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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 22 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 625

Mystery manifold gap narrowed.
72 Cutlass For Sale
Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s
Re: Posi rearend????
Re: Berejik meeting
RE: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: Differential Interchange
Re: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage
Re: Toropony?
Re: My Olds Weekend
Re: My Olds Weekend
Re: Posi rearend????
Re: AM FM stereo
Re: My Olds Weekend
Re: Posi rearend????
Re: Differential Interchange
Olds in McDonald's Ad
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...
Re: The Carburetor Shop Address
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
'72 Cutlass Supreme reveal molding...
NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)
RE: Leaded gas question
Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s
Re: Posi rearend????
RE: Posi rearend????
"Bridge Gauge"
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name/rambling
Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme reveal molding...
Re: Mystery manifold
RE: Mileage + Leaded gas question
Re: why yes, it is for sale
Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s
Re: "Bridge Gauge"
Re: My Olds Weekend
Re: Shifter Linkage
Re: Posi rearend????
67 Toro Questions
Re: "Bridge Gauge"
Re: Montana Cutlass?
Re: Mystery manifold
81 Cutlass engine swap(more on)
1960 Owner's Manual For Sale (4/22)
Winter...is...Over!!
Tilt Wheel
Re: Winter...is...Over!!
Re: Tilt Wheel
Re: 56 Olds
RE: Leaded gas question
Re: New Toro VIN
Re: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)
Re:  Shifters - Pro & Con ?
Re: Toropony?
Re: Leaded gas question
Fwd: Take a minute to pass this on... (fwd) -Forwarded

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:54:27 -0300
Subject: Mystery manifold gap narrowed.

Boy oh boy, I'm a Dumb*ss!

After further digging and flailing, (on tips from this posting) I now
look at the assembly and chassis manuals in a different light.  As
confusing as options are listed in the drawings, I do believe I am
satisfied with the fact it is of 70-72 vintage, from a Manual Trans car,
maybe even with W-25. (One picture had shown a regular air cleaner, but
said the dual breathers were on SMT "A" cars, W25 and W30.)  Again, you
guys are on the ball.  Now if we just had a part ª list, we can find out
what year it is........

Mike Rothe

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:54:41 -0300
Subject: 72 Cutlass For Sale

We have a beautiful 72 Cutlass Supreme 2dr for sale. 350 4bbl, Auto, A/C,
SSII's, Disc Brakes, Dual Exhaust, NOS Grilles, NOS Rear Bumper, Recent
Eagle ST tires, shocks, brakes, front end, exhaust. 350 has mild cam and 3
angle valve job with new carb, TH350 rebuilt with shift kit, electronic
distibutor conversion. Car is green with white PAINTED roof (documented).
All paperwork from day one. Asking $6000.00 obo.

Jim Chermack
(757) 474-0869

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:04:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s

At 11:05 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a 70 Cutlass Supreme SX. The Fisher body ª starts out - 70 34257 E
>2913
>The Serial ª on the dash starts out - 34487 OG. I found most of the build
>sheet and it shows the model ª as 34257 also. But it also has the last 4
>digits of the serial ª wrote on it. Has anyone else seen this on an SX
>before? This car  is loaded with options including: W-32 engine, FE-2
>suspension, G80 Posi, W26 Console, Etc.
>                                                              Thanks;
>
>                                                              C.D. Hall
>
>
>
Mr Hall

        I have a 70 Cutlass SX W-32 also. Let me see if I can help. The
correct VIN should start with 34257 as you indicated part of your build
sheet and the data plate concure with. Another place to check the number is
the inside of the drivers side door if it hasn't been replaced. There you
should find a blue compliance label that has the VIN on it and the build
date of the car. What does the title for the car say? If all these items
don't match you have a problem. Especially the fact that the dash VIN plate
is not correct for a Cutlass Supreme Coupe. That should be what the title
has on it too. The transmission for a W-32 is a OG code TH400. This will
also have the VIN in it if it's original.  Non W-32 cars had the OD code
TH400, these are the 2bbl and L-31 4bbl models. Please let me know if there
is any other info you would like on these cars.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 NInety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:10:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi rearend????

At 19:02 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>I just bought a '71 442.  The guy I bought it from said he thinks he
>broke the posi rearend.  When I jcaked the car up and spun the
>driverside wheel the other one did not turn at all, so I know something
>is wrong somewhere.  Can anyone tell me if this is posi?  I looked for
>the 2 letter code on the axle on the passenger side, but could not find
>it.  Am I looking in the wrong spot?  If it is posi how much would it
>cost to get it rebuilt?
>

  I don't know what it would cost to rebuild but the two letter code should
be there either forward or rearward on the right side axle tube.  Better yet
remove the cover and you will know whether or not it is a posi as well as
now being able to get the gear ratio by counting the teeth on the ring gear
and dividing by the number of teeth on the pinion gear (the one driven by
the drive shaft).  Or if there isn't a lot of sludge on the ring gear (the
big one you see when you remove the cover) you will see a couple of numbers
stamped in it (on the side of the large gear that's towards you) such as
13/42 (the slash is a triangle or delta) dividing the 13 into the 42 gives
you a 3.23:1 gear ratio.  Can't always go by the code on the axle tube
because the gears may have been changed out at some time or another.

Glenn
'69 4-4-2

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:12:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Berejik meeting

Hi Bill  and all interested

  All Oldsmobile Car Show GMO Chapter Of Olds Club of America

   Spring Dust Off  June 1st at Berijik Olds Highland Ave Needham, Mass

   Exit 19A off Rt 128 North     8AM - 4PM

   Food Beverage Dash Plaques Trophies in 19 Classes, Prizes Raffles Pot of
Gold

We may have  the Aurora Race car and a very good chance we will have a new
  SHELBY OLDS   He Saved The Best For Last

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:14:15 -0300
Subject: RE: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

At 21:43 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 01:50 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Erik Aksomatis wrote of an 1983 88 getting 30 + mpg with some tuning
>adjustments
>>
>>Are we talking about standard carb tweaking or what?  My 83 98 AT w/OD, at
>cruising speed (75-80 mph) gets, at best, 22-23 mpg.
>>
>>Tell us more!
>>
>>
>>Jason Beres
>>83 98 coupe
>>
>>
>>
>He did say that that car was using Imperial gallons.  My conversion book has
>a lot of conversions, but not that one, how big is an Imperial gallon.  And
>judging by the milage figure, it must be a bit larger than the non-Imperial
>gallon.
>
>

  5 qts. to an Imperial gallon.

Glenn
'69 4-4-2

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:20:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

- ----------
> From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
> Date: Monday, April 21, 1997 2:02 PM
>
>
>
> On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Jo-Anne Hillier wrote:
>
> > I had a motor bike that if you pushed it backwards, in gear, it would
start
> > in reverse. It was two stroke wich is probably the same as the diesel
motor
> > you speak of.
> > Scott
> > kozhill@titanlink.com
> >
> >
> Just curious    what possesed you to try that?   I've ridden bikes with a
> fair amount of barley in me and have never had trouble determining which
> end was which :)     keeping the wheels on the ground is a completely
> different story!
>
If you leave the drumb clutch kicked in too long after letting off the
throttle on a drilling rig with a heavy string weight you can accidently
start a Detroit Diesel running backwards. They sure sound funny and if they
have a oil bath air cleaner it will blow oil everywhere. Since they are 4
stroke a Cat wont do this.
Walter

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:16:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Differential Interchange

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> Hi All
> I have a few questions.
>
> I was thummin' through a Summit catalog when I came across the ring and
> pinion section. From what I read there it seemed like the differential
> carrier only accommodates a limited number of ratios (e.g. a 2.x carrier
> could not accept a 4.x ring and pinion). Is this the case with all 12 bolts
> or just ones with posi?

It is the same whether posi or not.

> Can a Positraction unit be added to a 12 bolt carrier? If so, what is
involved?

Yes.  It is a bolt-in if you have the unit.  The gears will have to be
set up again though.
>
> Can a differential from a '70 VC be swapped into a Cutlass of the same year?

Yes.

> Are any modifications necessary?

No.  That rear can be put into any '68-72 Cutlass.
>

> Ray

>
> P.S. Are doors from two door, non-post, hard tops and convertables
> interchangable ('70-'72)?

Yes.  Trim may be different & the filling or adding of attachment holes
needed.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:21:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Backwards motor/ Head question/ Mileage

At 12:51 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
><< WHERE is the number stamped on an olds 455 head? I couldn't find one
> yesterday on the set I was investigating! (reply personally if you're
> concerned about wasting bandwidth).  Thanx to anyone who could clarify this!
>  >>
>look at the passenger side head and at the bottom of the left corner there
>should be a letter or number about 1 inch i heighth.   big blocks are letters
>and small blocks are numbers.  tell me what letter or number is and i can
>decipher what year it is.

In addition, there is a 6-digit casting number above the exhaust ports,
between the head bolt and the valve cover rail. Use this to confirm that the
"F" heads you are looking at aren't converted "E" heads...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:21:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Toropony?

At 07:22 PM 4/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
> Long hood, short deck, two doors -- hmm. does a Toronado qualify as a pony
>car? Or is another qualifier that the vehicle has to weigh less than the
>Queen Mary?

More like a "rhinocar". BTW, I hear that a rhino can really haul when he's
pissed. So can a Toro. The point is, however, that neither *has* to, unless
it wants to.

>And another thing, the 66's did have >375 HP when new.

The '66-'68's were all 385hp. The '69-'70's were only 375hp. Unless you're
talking about the '68-'70 W-34's; then they've got 400hp even.

>Is this an early viral sign?

"Resistance if futile"
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 18:23:05 -0300
Subject: Re: My Olds Weekend

David Nye wrote:

>         Even after all of this, I'm tickled to death that she's running
again. > Those flat top pistons and the W-31 cam sound great. Even with the
set > backs I'm hoping that I'll be back on the road next weekend to break >
this thing in. All-in-all, knee's OK, foot's kinda OK, cars doing great! >
Thanks for letting me vent some steam (pun intended)! >
David Nye >                         '71 Cutlass Supreme Rag-Top

I'm glad to hear that you have such a positive attitude & that the car
is doing so well.  Don't forget to double check those hoses & good luck.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:36:37 -0300
Subject: Re: My Olds Weekend

At 08:03 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>David,
>
>No flames here, those are the kind of stories I like to see on the list.
>Glad you found the oil problem. But what's the deal on those hoses? I
>know that pressure can build up after a hot engine is shut off, but twice
>in a row?

Second on hearing those kinds of stories (gives me an idea of what to do and
what *not* to do!). Always good to double-check those galley plugs (three
total, none interchangeable). My rebuilt 403 ran kinda hot when I first
started her up; of course, I had forgotten to hook up a vacuum hose, so she
ran *very* lean to start, which isn't good, but I guess you should expect a
fresh motor to run a bit hot on break-in. After broken-in, though, she ran
in the 180-205 range all the time.

As far as that radiator hose blowing off, Greg's right: that's not normal.
Why isn't your radiator cap blowing off that pressure buildup? Have you got
a 55psi cap on that thing? (14-17lb. cap would be normal) Definitely check
that cap; that sticky glycol is a pain to clean up (I know, the new heater
shut-off valve on my 403 blew, moments before I was to take it on its maiden
45-minute trip to my in-laws at 10:00pm on a Sunday night. In that case, my
car had impeccable timing! Ten minutes later, and I'd be telling a whole
different story)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:47:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi rearend????

> From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<snip>
> it.  Am I looking in the wrong spot?  If it is posi how much would it
> cost to get it rebuilt?

Bryan,

I have a 12 bolt Posi with ruined mounting brackets (cut off by junkyard
w/torch, because they were too lazy to undo the bolts) and an open rear
with great housing.  I asked the rear-end specialist how much he would
charge to switch the guts and replace the bearings and clutches.  He quoted
me $500.  Between coughs and sputters, I told him that I was friends with
So-and-so.  He then said he could do it for $300.  Just to switch the
stinkin' parts!  Posi work isn't cheap, by any means.  The
price/availability of the parts doesn't help any, either.  I would guess
you're looking at $300 - $700, depending on what's broken (and who you know
<g>).  But that's just my best guess.  Anyone else?

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:04:55 -0300
Subject: Re: AM FM stereo

jones wrote:
>
> > > There is a guy that makes all the swap meets in our area that converts
> am
> > > to am/fm. The radio looks completely original when he is done with it.
> I
> > > used to have his card if anyone is interested I will try to find it.
> > > Walter
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > > From: Kabootski@aol.com
> >
> > > >
> > I am extremely interested.
> >
> > Bryan Bodine
> > bbodine@matrix.uti.com
> > '70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
> > '71 442 (Mine)
> OK I found it.... sorry I took so long. Its Radio Man ( Bob Sponsel) 141
> Royal Park Waxahachie Texas 75165 (214) 937-8505    Note..... the phine
> company has been changeing area codes around here I don't know if his area
> was affected or not.
> Walter
Walter,

THANKS!!!

Bryan

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 00:58:40 -0300
Subject: Re: My Olds Weekend

- ----------
> From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>

> cleaning up my tools when KA-Frickin-BOOM... the upper radiator hose
> blew off AGAIN!

You would think (assuming the hose clamp was securely tightened) that the
radiator cap would open up and release some of that boiling juice into the
overflow bottle before the stinkin' hose blew off.  You do still have a
functioning pressure release cap on there, don't you?  Or maybe the passage
to your overflow bottle is clogged.  It seems to me that the overflow
bottle should be blowing it's top before the hose blew off...  Unless, per
chance, the thermostat was stuck closed (you didn't put it in backwards,
did you? <g>).  But if that were the case, I think it would have got a lot
hotter than 205 and blown a lot sooner.  If your hose has blown off twice,
and there's nothing wrong with the hose or the clamps, I would be trying to
find out why before I got cooked again or stranded on the side of the
road...

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:17:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi rearend????

Blaines wrote:
>
> > From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> <snip>
> > it.  Am I looking in the wrong spot?  If it is posi how much would it
> > cost to get it rebuilt?
>
> Bryan,
>
> I have a 12 bolt Posi with ruined mounting brackets (cut off by junkyard
> w/torch, because they were too lazy to undo the bolts) and an open rear
> with great housing.  I asked the rear-end specialist how much he would
> charge to switch the guts and replace the bearings and clutches.  He quoted
> me $500.  Between coughs and sputters, I told him that I was friends with
> So-and-so.  He then said he could do it for $300.  Just to switch the
> stinkin' parts!  Posi work isn't cheap, by any means.  The
> price/availability of the parts doesn't help any, either.  I would guess
> you're looking at $300 - $700, depending on what's broken (and who you know
> <g>).  But that's just my best guess.  Anyone else?
>
> -Blaine
> '72 Cutlass Supreme
Blaine,

Thanks alot, that gives me an idea anyway.  Do you think I would be able
do it myself?  Or is it to hard?

Bryan

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:08:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Differential Interchange

I have noticed posts like this before with no answer, Most GM diffs
carriers carry ring and pinion sets up to 3:42 ratio, from 3:73 and up you
have to change the carrier. The reason is that as the pinion gets smaller (
with the lower gear ratio) the deeper the crown gear has to be. Instead of
making extemely thick crown gears, GM made two types of carriers instead.
Some after market suppliers have a spacer which allows you to put a 3:73
gear set on a 3:23 carrier. I have done this before on several cars than
run both on the street and the strip, and don't want to change the carrier.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:09:48 -0300
Subject: Olds in McDonald's Ad

Have any of you caught the McDonalds 1950's prices TV commercial?  The one
they advertise the 55 cent sandwiches!?  Well smack dab in the front of the
Mickey D's drive-in is a 1950 Holiday hardtop.

Let's hear it for the classic Oldsmobiles.


Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:15:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...

In a message dated 97-04-21 14:18:11 EDT, you write:

<< I wonder if one could put a Quad4 on a bike.  Set it to run like those
 bike motors do, at 10,000rpms.  Wonder what kind of power it would make
 like that.

 I know, there's alot more to take into consideration than "would it fit."
 I was just wondering...

    Jim Townsend >>

I'm sure the Quad would weigh alot more (my 750 motor which is an '85 vintage
is sorta heavy by todays standards, and I bet it weighs about  100-150 lbs.),
and that doesn't include a trans.  And also, my 750 motor pumps out about
85-95 HP. at the crank.  Not too bad for it's size (cc.'s).

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:15:52 -0300
Subject: Re: The Carburetor Shop Address

In a message dated 97-04-21 13:35:26 EDT, you write:

<< OL><<
 OL>     The Carburetor Shop
 OL>     8460 Red Oak Street
 OL>     Dept. 21017
 OL>     Rancho Cucamonga, CA 91730
 OL>     Ph: (909) 481-5816
 OL>     Fx: (909) 481-5822>>

 OL>THESE GUYS ARE A WASTE OF A GOOD CARB CORE! >>

Well, I have found something interesting out while doing some checking around
for my carb and intake.  I was talking to Edelbrock, and they recommended a
place to have my Rochester rebuilt (remember, this was recomended by
Edelbrock's tech line).  So I called, and found out the following:

The place is called:
Mike Jones Company (Jones Fuel Systems)
17491 Apex Circle
Huntington Beach, Ca. 92647
714-848-5500

You send them the core, along with all application information which who have
(car, engine, manifold, cam, gearing, etc., and intended useage) and they
will rebuild the carb (including bush the shafts) in about 1-2 weeks (as I
remember from a few months ago), and return it to you.  Total time
investment, roughly 3 weeks (1 out, 1 there, 1 back).  Cost was quoted as
$145, and it had a 1 yr. warranty on it.

Maybe others have used them before, sounds like a decent deal to me.  Any
information on them from others?

BTW, I never did go through with this, but might be doing so in the future
here, depends on money, and time (the usual).

Chris Ruper

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:21:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

Walter; Every time I tryed to make that unmakable hill,  the bike would
power out and start rolling backwards. It would then sometimes fire up in
reverse, then you had a wild ride!
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:19:01 -0300
Subject: '72 Cutlass Supreme reveal molding...

Does anyone happen to know what other cars (if any) ever used the same
rear-window molding as the '71-'72 Cutlass Supreme ('70 Supreme too?)?  I'm
having a difficult time locating any that's in good shape.  (Actually, if I
were a crook, I could have stolen some over the weekend... but I'm not).
Thanks in advance for your suggestions.

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:15:47 -0300
Subject: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)

At 08:23 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>  When is this meeting at Berejik's??  Would I be able to make it before I
>graduate and leave the New England area??

Bill,

I think you're going to have to take an incomplete in a couple classes, so
you can stick around for the Berejik show on June 1st.

Maybe us NE Oldsmobilers could get together before then? How about it, guys;
have you dug your cars out of the snow yet?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:15:44 -0300
Subject: RE: Leaded gas question

At 09:17 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if not)

While most states dropped leaded gas about 8 years ago, some hung on until
just last year or so. In the next town over however, there is a station with
two pumps of Cam2 racing gas: 100 octane unleaded, or 120 octane leaded.
Both are $4.00/gallon. I think I'll go hang out there on a Sat. night and
see who's buying that stuff...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:15:55 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s

At 10:40 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> I have a 70 Cutlass Supreme SX. The Fisher body ª starts out - 70 34257 E
>> The Serial ª on the dash starts out - 34487 OG. I found most of the build
[snip]
>
>OK, the body ª is 70 34257 E 2913, which translates to a '70 Cutlass
>Supreme Holiday Coupe with the body built in the ? plant.  I thought E
>would be the plant code, but I can't find anything that refers to E.
>
>The VIN tag is for 344870G, which is a '70 442 Holiday Coupe, which is an
>entirely differeny body style, built at the Framingham, MA plant.
>
>Now, I know that they used components to build these SXs, but I don't know
>if they went so far as to use 442 VINs.  We just went over this the other

Hmmm, maybe they started building the car as a 442, but they didn't realize
until it was way to late that they had accidentally pulled a Cutlass Supreme
bodyshell rather than a fastback body? (who knows, maybe it was late friday
afternoon, they didn't want to pull all the parts off and start over with a
new bodyshell, so they just stuck on the SX badges and voila! a Cutlass
Supreme 442!)

Actually, I'd be interested if anyone knows firsthand of factory mistakes
like this happening. I'd imagine they would, as everything would bolt right
up, and it wouldn't necessarily be until well into production that an error
might be spotted, especially if the pieces are parts that are normally going
into that bodyshell anyway.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:39:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi rearend????

> From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> Thanks alot, that gives me an idea anyway.  Do you think I would be able
> do it myself?  Or is it to hard?
>
> Bryan

No problem!  I looked into this myself...  I'm mechanically inclined enough
that I do most of the work on my Cutlass.  But I'm always a little scared
to try something new... especially when it's something so critical that if
done wrong could cost me my life -- or at the very least damage my car (i.e
- - driving 90 MPH on the freeway and having the axle fall out).  Do you have
your GM Factory Service Manual handy?  There's a section in there that
talks about the whole process.  I've never tore into a rear-end before, so
it's all greek to me.  And I'm a little apprehensive about trying it for
the above reason...

But, regardless of whether or not you decide to tackle this on your own, I
highly recommend coughin' up the bucks for the factory service manual (if
you haven't already).  If you plan on doing a lot of work on your car,
you'll find it indispensible.  I've only had to use mine twice, and already
it's paid for itself...  It's packed full of info that you just can't find
in a Chiltons manual, and it's specific for your car.  The cheapest place I
found was Year One.  They sell GM authorised reprints for $46.00.

Good Luck!

- -Blaine

------------------------------

From: "Jim & Tina R." <rabid@cybrzn.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:55:24 -0300
Subject: RE: Posi rearend????

>From what I understand, the tolerances and setup of a GM posi rear end =
are pretty much an exact science. Probably not a project to be =
undertaken by a novice. It's nothing like a simple 3rd member swap in a =
M*p*r posi.

Jim Rabideau
70 W30
Former 69 Road Runner

------------------------------

From: Rich Scott <rich@qti.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:53:45 -0300
Subject: "Bridge Gauge"

>      Hello all,
>Has anyone ever used a bridge gauge when rebuilding an engine.
>One mechanic says you can't rebuild an olds engine without one
>and another mechanic never heard of it.
>                        Don't know who to believe.
>

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:08:14 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name/rambling

"And also, my 750 motor pumps out about
85-95 HP. at the crank.  Not too bad for it's size (cc.'s).

Chris Ruper"

You're right; that's alot of power for its size.  Over 100hp/liter.
The current production CAR record for hp/liter is held (if I remember
correctly) by the two Ferraris, F355 and F50, at about 107hp/liter.  Net
rating, that is.  The HO Quad4 is at around 80hp/liter, and the W41 motor
is a little more than that.  If I could get my HO to put out 107hp/liter
it would be crankin' out about 220hp.  I believe, from what I've heard
here and elsewhere, that this is not only possible, but very reasonable
and relatively cheap.  Seems that, with some head work and cam swapping,
even more can be had.  That might put it in the low end of the bike-engine
ballpark.
I know it would work wonders for my Calais, but imagine what it would do
in a bike.  Then again, what if it was set up for making power at 10 or
11,000rpm?  Those heads really do breathe!
(I saw recently in a bike mag that the current bike power champ has about
160hp from an 1100cc engine.  What's that, over 160hp/liter? Wow.)

Anyway, just thinking out loud again.

   Jim Townsend

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 02:52:58 -0300
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme reveal molding...

At 01:19 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone happen to know what other cars (if any) ever used the same
>rear-window molding as the '71-'72 Cutlass Supreme ('70 Supreme too?)?  I'm
>having a difficult time locating any that's in good shape.  (Actually, if I
>were a crook, I could have stolen some over the weekend... but I'm not).
>Thanks in advance for your suggestions.
>
>-Blaine
>'72 Cutlass Supreme
>
Blaine

        I have some that are in very good condition. Do you need a whole set?

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:26:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

> Let's see if anyone knows what this is.

> It has the choke tubes on it, with the ª404521 on the
> back near the distributor.

According to the GM parts manual, ª404521 was used on all 1970 88s and
Ninety-Eights with four barrel carbs ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:04:03 -0300
Subject: RE: Mileage + Leaded gas question

At 10:17 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>> >Are we talking about standard carb tweaking or what?  My 83 98 AT w/OD, at
>> cruising speed (75-80 mph) gets, at best, 22-23 mpg.
>> >
>> >Tell us more!
>> >
>> He did say that that car was using Imperial gallons.  My conversion book
has >> a lot of conversions, but not that one, how big is an Imperial gallon.
And >> judging by the milage figure, it must be a bit larger than the
non-Imperial >> gallon. >> >One Imperial gallon = 4.545 Litres >One American
gallon = 3.87 Litres (I think, but I know it's about that) >Conversion between
MPAG and MPIG (my own abreviations): >One MPIG = .8515 MPAG >One MPAG = 1.1744
MPIG > >(Of course, SOME people, when telling stories of all the stuff THEY
own, >use even bigger gallons and really short miles (someday's I think their
 >exists another type of mile which is about as long as a football field!)) >
>BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if not) >
>.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.0..... >Eric
Aksomitis: >Virtual Junkyard of olds's: Current count : 5 vehicles
>http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca >.....End
of self-promo                                  ..... > > > Yes, leaded
gasoline is still blended and sold in the U.S.A.  Last year I saw it in nearly
every station I was in in Wyoming.  Also, they still make and market low lead
100 av gas.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: TURBO38@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:08:22 -0300
Subject: Re: why yes, it is for sale

yes, i'm asking 4k.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:24:21 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds Cutlass SX, Model & Serial ª,s

At 01:15 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:40 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>> I have a 70 Cutlass Supreme SX. The Fisher body ª starts out - 70 34257 E
>>> The Serial ª on the dash starts out - 34487 OG. I found most of the build
>[snip]
>>
>>OK, the body ª is 70 34257 E 2913, which translates to a '70 Cutlass
>>Supreme Holiday Coupe with the body built in the ? plant.  I thought E
>>would be the plant code, but I can't find anything that refers to E.
>>
>>The VIN tag is for 344870G, which is a '70 442 Holiday Coupe, which is an
>>entirely differeny body style, built at the Framingham, MA plant.
>>
>>Now, I know that they used components to build these SXs, but I don't know
>>if they went so far as to use 442 VINs.  We just went over this the other
>
>Hmmm, maybe they started building the car as a 442, but they didn't realize
>until it was way to late that they had accidentally pulled a Cutlass Supreme
>bodyshell rather than a fastback body? (who knows, maybe it was late friday
>afternoon, they didn't want to pull all the parts off and start over with a
>new bodyshell, so they just stuck on the SX badges and voila! a Cutlass
>Supreme 442!)
>
>Actually, I'd be interested if anyone knows firsthand of factory mistakes
>like this happening. I'd imagine they would, as everything would bolt right
>up, and it wouldn't necessarily be until well into production that an error
>might be spotted, especially if the pieces are parts that are normally going
>into that bodyshell anyway.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
The factory building a car in err.  During my two years at Ch*vrolet, I did
final line inspections during the summer vacations period.  There were so
many trucks built with the wrong tailgate that that inspection station had a
rubberstamp to apply to the inspection form, instead of requiring a pencil
like most of the other problems.

I believe that there are plenty of cars shipped with a problem to confond
and coufuse the future collector, especially the number tags, but if I was
looking at a high dollar car because it was supposed to be a genuine
special, then I would suspect that the actual trouble lies elsewhere, like
in some restorers (fakers) garage.

I believe that they mostly 99%+ get the numbers right.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:27:43 -0300
Subject: Re: "Bridge Gauge"

At 01:53 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>      Hello all,
>>Has anyone ever used a bridge gauge when rebuilding an engine.
>>One mechanic says you can't rebuild an olds engine without one
>>and another mechanic never heard of it.
>>                        Don't know who to believe.
>>
>
>
>
I believe that you will probably be invited snipe hunting, for your maiden
voyage, with that new rebuild too.  The 'bridge gauge' mechanic has just the
place for you to hold your burlap bag and stick.

Anon. I

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:00:45 -0300
Subject: Re: My Olds Weekend

At 06:23 PM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>David Nye wrote:
>
>>         Even after all of this, I'm tickled to death that she's running
again.
>> Those flat top pistons and the W-31 cam sound great. Even with the set
>> backs I'm hoping that I'll be back on the road next weekend to break
>> this thing in. All-in-all, knee's OK, foot's kinda OK, cars doing great!
>>         Thanks for letting me vent some steam (pun intended)!
>>                         David Nye
>>                         '71 Cutlass Supreme Rag-Top
>
>I'm glad to hear that you have such a positive attitude & that the car
>is doing so well.  Don't forget to double check those hoses & good luck.
>
Might also double check the radiator cap?  Perhaps it's not venting at the
proper psi?  (That's if the hoses are all good but still blowing off...)
Double check to make sure you have the right cap for your application, as
they were also rated differently, as I recall.  You could theoretically end
up with costly problems if your running an 18 psi cap on a 13 psi system,
etc.  (The numbers sound right, but I can't remember for certain who used
what...)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:02:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Shifter Linkage

On Mon, 21 Apr 1997 19:05:16 -0300 "Drew K. Bengert"
<dk.bengert@sympatico.ca> writes:
>I own a 73 442 which was originally a column shift car. When I
>purchased
>the car it had been converted to a floor shift with the proper
>automatic
>shifter, console, seats etc.
>
>My question is, do you use the neutral start switch that is on the
>column and if so, is there linkage that comes off the tranny lever and
>connects to the arm on the sterring column. I have a repair manual but
>it does not clearly show all of the shifter linkages for the floor
>shifter.
>
>Thanks Drew
>
My 72 Cutlass has a floor shifter (from the factory) and it is linked to
the steering column so to utilize the neutral safety switch mounted on
the column. It has a linkage from the floor shifter to the tranny and a
linkage from the tranny to the column. I wouldn't think that the 73 would
be so drastically different.

Katana72 (It has NOTHING to do with Motorcycles!!!!)

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:31:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi rearend????

At 12:47 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
><snip>
>> it.  Am I looking in the wrong spot?  If it is posi how much would it
>> cost to get it rebuilt?
>
>Bryan,
>
>I have a 12 bolt Posi with ruined mounting brackets (cut off by junkyard
>w/torch, because they were too lazy to undo the bolts) and an open rear
>with great housing.  I asked the rear-end specialist how much he would
>charge to switch the guts and replace the bearings and clutches.  He quoted
>me $500.  Between coughs and sputters, I told him that I was friends with
>So-and-so.  He then said he could do it for $300.  Just to switch the
>stinkin' parts!  Posi work isn't cheap, by any means.  The
>price/availability of the parts doesn't help any, either.  I would guess
>you're looking at $300 - $700, depending on what's broken (and who you know
><g>).  But that's just my best guess.  Anyone else?



There's a fair amount of labor involved in setting up a rearend (and the
mechanic won't care if its posi or not, the measurements are still the same)
and any mechanic who values his reputation is going to want to put bearings
and seals in there at this time.  If there's any question at all, it would
be foolish not to.  This is where the big $$$ usually comes in.  A thorough
inspection of your current gears is probably in line, though.  I'd pull off
that cover and actually see what's inside there.  This discovery may have an
impact on your next plans.  Good Luck, either way...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:31:54 -0300
Subject: 67 Toro Questions

     Couple points I've noticed and wonderred about.

The Toros have the starter bolted to the transmission instead of the block.
Do these blocks still have the conventional mounting provisions on the other
side?

Anyone have any historical trivia about their ignition switches?  I see the
keys say "GM" on one side, and "Briggs and Stratten" on the other.  One hell
of a lawnmower!  ("Hey Bubba!  Come check out my new 385 horse Garden
Tractor!!!")

Do these things really have the switch pitch converters in 'em?

The '66 I'm looking at for parts has the ~really cool~ steering wheel with
the horn buttons on the side of that butterfly shaped insert (Almost wanted
to say bowtie, but that just ruins the coolness...)  Is anyone still with my
description (perfectly accurate as it is...)?  Is this wheel available on
the '67s too?  (Would I be violating originality by swapping them?  (Not
that it'd matter, but I'm still curious.)

And finally, just how many acres are in those trunks!?!  Was Olds originally
planning to put the 455 back there?

This poor car hasn't moved in probably 8 years, and was meant to be my
engine donor.  The Toro virus has taken hold, however, and no cure seems
likely.  I already have the plates picked out, for God's sake!

Can't get 'em yet, tho.  Having problems with the title.  There's a $7500 or
so lien on it from it's new purchase, and another $5000 or so from some 20
years ago.  They were supposedly cleared in 1977, but the state doesn't have
record of it.  He couldn't contact his bank today, so I wait till tomorrow.
(Can't afford plates yet anyway, 'cuz I need tires and the parts car,
~but~....)  Hopefully I'll get most of the renovation taken care of tomorrow
(Tues) afternoon, and be able to get it to town and do more playing with it.
I need to evict the current occupants, 'cuz the mice aren't paying rent.
This is going to be a pain.  They're ~not~ getting their deposit back!

Better go, tho.  Got tons to do yet, and little time.  Sooooo, see y'all
later :)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:31:50 -0300
Subject: Re: "Bridge Gauge"

At 04:27 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 01:53 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>>      Hello all,
>>>Has anyone ever used a bridge gauge when rebuilding an engine.
>>>One mechanic says you can't rebuild an olds engine without one
>>>and another mechanic never heard of it.
>>>                        Don't know who to believe.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>I believe that you will probably be invited snipe hunting, for your maiden
>voyage, with that new rebuild too.  The 'bridge gauge' mechanic has just the
>place for you to hold your burlap bag and stick.
>
>Anon. I
>

I wonder if he's possibly talking about a straightedge to measure deck
warpage?  I've never heard of that title, but slight imagination can see it
working that way...

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:31:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Montana Cutlass?

At 08:51 AM 4/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Is that Cutlass still for sale in Montana?
>
>What is the condition, mileage and such?
>
>Thanks
>Thomas Martin
>85 Cutlass Supreme 307 (with cracked ª7 piston, oops :(
>
>

Didn't see any replies to this, so I'll stab at it.  There was a '66 442
near Havre a while back, he wanted $1500 for it and a parts car.  Come to
learn that the parts car was a 442, and the "442" was a Cutlass.  Both of
them were kinda rough, I guess.  I never looked at them, but I talked to the
previous owner of the ~real~ 442.  Said he sold it to the guy for $150, and
the check bounced!  Never did get paid for it.  I'm guessing for that $$$
and that he never took the car back it must resemble Godzilla's Playpen.  I
don't know firsthand, tho.  No idea about mileage either.

There was another Cutlass in Missoula also.  It was a '72, 2-tone green, I
think.  Dustin or Scott could probably give more info on that one.  Don't
know that there were any other MT Olds's listed recently, so I hope that at
least partially answers your question.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:31:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Mystery manifold

At 03:26 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> Let's see if anyone knows what this is.
>
>> It has the choke tubes on it, with the ª404521 on the
>> back near the distributor.
>
>According to the GM parts manual, ª404521 was used on all 1970 88s and
>Ninety-Eights with four barrel carbs ...
>
My '70 Delta had the PCV going into the rocker arm cover, FWIW.  I can check
tomorrow (if I get a chance) on the intakes part ª.  It's in my backyard
somewhere...

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 06:41:53 -0300
Subject: 81 Cutlass engine swap(more on)

On my 81 Rocket Wagon, I aslo found out that the front springs had to be
changed . The wagon had a 231 v-6 and the v-8 swap put more weight on the
front  end. These wagons also came with the diesel option (usually a 5.8
l diesel) . I got the springs for that and the car sits well. Before the
new springs, the front end was very low and handling was difficult over
rough roads, especially through the Chicago area. Also, be aware of any
emissions testing for your state. That has been a problem for me in both
Virginia (where they visually inspect for smog equipment) and in MN,
where they use an exhaust analyzer. Good luck,

Katana72 (It has NOTHING to do with Motorcycles!!!)

------------------------------

From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 08:17:34 -0300
Subject: 1960 Owner's Manual For Sale (4/22)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1960 Oldsmobile Owner Protection Policy glovebox manual, with
Protect-O-Plate.  Issued to Mr. Harry E. Mulhollen by Bruckner Motor
Sales in Milan, Michigan on October 12, 1960, for his Oldsmobile S/N
607M79424.  Three warranty service Verification Vouchers are still
attached to the book, and another two are loose and included.  The 2,000
to 12,000 mile service reminder coupons are all gone, with the remaining
record stubs mostly filled out with date and mileage when the service
was performed.   $15.00, including shipping to any address in North
America.  (4/22/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:00:30 -0300
Subject: Winter...is...Over!!

Once again, folks like Dr. Bob in RI, Steve Bento on the North Shore,
and other New Englanders (including Yours Truly) have survived another
winter.

Yesterday, we celebrated it by running a marathon from Hopkinton to Boston;
and I observed the end of winter by putting away the snowblower.

And waking up Big Red :) :) :)

And a very nice top down day in New England it was!



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red' -- It's Alive!!
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: scotthensley@juno.com (Scott W Hensley)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:19:45 -0300
Subject: Tilt Wheel

 The tilt steering wheel u-joint is cracking on my 80 Delta 88 Royale
orignally with a 350 Diesel. It appears to be a cast aluminum piece that
is cracking. I am wondering if all tilt wheels use the same u-joint.

 I have pulled the steering wheel, ign. switch, and turn signal parts and
can see the u-joint. Is it going to be easier to pull the whole steering
column or is there a short cut I am overlooking.

 Does anyone know if a "kit" is avaliable from GM. My local parts store
seemed to think there is.

Scott Hensley

80 Delta 88/455 Rocket

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:30:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Winter...is...Over!!

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> Once again, folks like Dr. Bob in RI, Steve Bento on the North Shore,
> and other New Englanders (including Yours Truly) have survived another
> winter.
>
> Yesterday, we celebrated it by running a marathon from Hopkinton to Boston;
> and I observed the end of winter by putting away the snowblower.
>
> And waking up Big Red :) :) :)
>
> And a very nice top down day in New England it was!
>
> Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red' -- It's Alive!!

Tim,

Welcome to spring.  "Better late than never", is definitely apropos
here.  Do youi think that spring will last longer than this week?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 03:35:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Tilt Wheel

Scott W Hensley wrote:
>
>  The tilt steering wheel u-joint is cracking on my 80 Delta 88 Royale
> orignally with a 350 Diesel. It appears to be a cast aluminum piece that
> is cracking. I am wondering if all tilt wheels use the same u-joint.
>
>  I have pulled the steering wheel, ign. switch, and turn signal parts and
> can see the u-joint. Is it going to be easier to pull the whole steering
> column or is there a short cut I am overlooking.
>
>  Does anyone know if a "kit" is avaliable from GM. My local parts store
> seemed to think there is.
>
> Scott Hensley
>
> 80 Delta 88/455 Rocket

Scott,

I would wonder if at about $50, a junque yarde column replacement might
be more reasonable.  I would also wonder about other damage to your
column.  Taking those apart & replacing pieces isn't easy or cheap.

Any GM car of that body type & era should work.  Just paint or find one
your color, change the lock & steering wheel, & install.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 09:52:32 -0300
Subject: Re: 56 Olds

You Wrote:
>I have recently purchased a 1956 Super 88. The automatic transmission
>does not shift smoothly into 2nd gear unless I let up on the
>accelleration. If not, the trans clunks during that shift.

The 1956 Super 88 was available with two different Hydra-Matics.  The Jetway
and the earlier single coupling Hydra-Matic.  The way to tell the difference
is that the Jetway has a Park position, the earlier trans does not. (It must
be put in reverse after the engine is shut off to lock)

The earlier transmission was much rougher shifting esp the 2-3 shift, and had
to be constantly adjusted.  Jetway was a giant step forward in smoothness,
and could approach modern trans in smoothness when adjusted correctly!

Neither transmission should "clunk" on the 1-2 shift when adjusted properly,
and if that shift is harsher than the other shifts on the early type trans
than something is wrong.

Hope this helps.

Elephant Engine Ernie

67-442
50- 88

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:01:45 -0300
Subject: RE: Leaded gas question

At 01:15 AM 4/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 09:17 PM 4/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if not)
>
>While most states dropped leaded gas about 8 years ago, some hung on until
>just last year or so. In the next town over however, there is a station with
>two pumps of Cam2 racing gas: 100 octane unleaded, or 120 octane leaded.
>Both are $4.00/gallon. I think I'll go hang out there on a Sat. night and
>see who's buying that stuff...
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

You've got a heck of a life there, Bob.  Do you routinely go to gas
stations and watch people pump their gas?  :)


Dan



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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:35:50 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro VIN

I think its cool too & thanks.  We found one small area of a goldish color
under some rubber but the green & silver (in sequence not at the same time)
repaints cover almost everything.

Thanks - we're happy.

Lisa & Shamu the '66

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From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:38:48 -0300
Subject: Re: NE Olds events (was Re: Berejik meeting)

On Tue, 22 Apr 1997, Robert J. Barry wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I think you're going to have to take an incomplete in a couple classes, so
> you can stick around for the Berejik show on June 1st.
>
I can't even take a ride up here for that meeting.  I'll be
leaving for vacation that day. Oh well.

> Maybe us NE Oldsmobilers could get together before then? How about it, guys;
> have you dug your cars out of the snow yet?

I'm all for this!!  So, when and where do we want to meet??

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 10:50:53 -0300
Subject: Re:  Shifters - Pro & Con ?

I would like to hear the relative pros and cons of the various automatic
shifters ie. Quarter Stick, Pro Stick, Pro Rachet, Megashifter etc.

Thanks in advance for your valuable insights.

Al


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 11:10:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Toropony?

Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> The '66-'68's were all 385hp. The '69-'70's were only 375hp. Unless you're
> talking about the '68-'70 W-34's; then they've got 400hp even.

I guess putting one of those W-34 engines in a 442 would come close or
surpass a H/O.

Chris

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 05:00:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Leaded gas question

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
>
> >>BTW, do they still have leaded gas in the USA (when did they quit, if not)
> >
> >While most states dropped leaded gas about 8 years ago, some hung on until
> >just last year or so. In the next town over however, there is a station
with > >two pumps of Cam2 racing gas: 100 octane unleaded, or 120 octane
leaded. > >Both are $4.00/gallon. I think I'll go hang out there on a Sat.
night and > >see who's buying that stuff... >
>_______________________________________________________ > >Dr. Robert Barry
MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1 > > You've got a heck of a life there, Bob.  Do you
routinely go to gas > stations and watch people pump their gas?  :) > > Dan >


Dan,

This beats sitting outside watching your snow grow or the frost making
pretty designs on the windows.  Cabin feaver can be devastating.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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