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oldsmobile-digest         Thursday, 17 April 1997      Volume 01 : Number 618

Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply
Re: ª's
68 442 stuff
Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply -Reply
Re: WANTED: 1966 Dynamic 88 Convertible
Headers
TCC lock-up (was: Carb Problem?)
68 442 stuff -Reply
RE: Carb Problem
Re: 1990 Vintage
searching for project car...
Re: ª's
Wheel Question
Re: 68 442 stuff
MY Web Page - The Beginning
Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
[none]
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
66 442 fuel pump
RE:My Web Page - The Beginning (DON'T GO)
Re: Transmission rebuild or new?
replacement clutch
Re: ª's
Hot Wheels 442 W30
Re: 68 442 stuff
Re: ª's
Re: 66 -442 NOT '67!
Re[2]: Olds V6 Oil Delivery.....Comments?
Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply -Reply
Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30
[none]
Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30 -Reply
Re: Carb Problem
Re: ª's
66 Delta  codes
'66 Dynamic conv pts
Re: Lights lights & more lights
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re:
Re:
Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
66 442 fuel pump
Trim parts & chrome for 57 Olds 88 convertible
Re: replacement clutch
Re: Wheel Question
Re: Rocker Questions
Re: head games
Re: ª's
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Re: Just What Every Garage Needs
Re: Stripe Options
Re: 66 Delta codes
Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30
'79 Cutlass Diesel info wanted
Re: '79 Cutlass Diesel How much?
Re: 66 Delta  codes
Re: '79 Cutlass Diesel info wanted
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...
Clock...

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:00:05 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply

GARY RUBRICH wrote:
>
> James,
>   Looking for any 69 cutlass s conv. parts? I'm parting one out,
> let me know. My name is Gary, and I'm in Michigan.
>                                                Gary
>                                                72 442 (350)
>
> >>> "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>  4/16/97, 09:27pm >>>
> Can any one tell me how many of these cars were built?
>
> What is the correct engine size?
>
> I recently installed a 455 bored .04 with a small cam.  I am
> interested in
> finding a posi rear end (this is so my back tires wear evenly).
>
> I have had this car since I was 16 (over 20yrs).  Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> paradise@interl.net

What color is the interior?

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From: JNelson751@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:41:07 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

okay, heres mine, give it a shot

69 33667 lan139386
 937         67a
10a

my VIN starts with 344

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:55:00 -0300
Subject: 68 442 stuff

With all this 68 442 talk-- I need some info on a 68 442 my uncle has sitting
in his barn in western PA. It is a 68 convertible W-30. I figure it is rare,
but have not ever heard production ª's for one. I have only seen it once, andf
it is a conplete car except that a 455 is under the hood at this time. He has
the original engine on an engine stand next to it. He was thinking about
sellingn another note- I went to a swap meet in S.Jersey over the weekend and
got it last year but changed his mind.


=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:43:40 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply -Reply

The interior is dk. red buckets & console. Buckets need recovering
and the back is original and not ripped.
                                            Gary

>>> <JFOWLER@capecod.net>  4/17/97, 02:00pm >>>
GARY RUBRICH wrote:
>
> James,
>   Looking for any 69 cutlass s conv. parts? I'm parting one out,
> let me know. My name is Gary, and I'm in Michigan.
>                                                Gary
>                                                72 442 (350)
>
> >>> "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>  4/16/97, 09:27pm >>>
> Can any one tell me how many of these cars were built?
>
> What is the correct engine size?
>
> I recently installed a 455 bored .04 with a small cam.  I am
> interested in
> finding a posi rear end (this is so my back tires wear evenly).
>
> I have had this car since I was 16 (over 20yrs).  Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> paradise@interl.net

What color is the interior?

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From: DATIC@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:56:18 -0300
Subject: Re: WANTED: 1966 Dynamic 88 Convertible

I hope that '66 Dynamic Conv. that Greg Yonge had wanted to buy wasn't white
and primer with black top and trashed blue interior, because if it was, I'm
the one that bought it. I got it on April 5th after seeing it for sale for
several months and then
disappearing. When it went up for sale again, I leapt. Don't dispair, it has
a great home, and by the end of the summer, it will be back to it's former
glory.
     By the way, anybody have a wiper switch (2-speed) they would like to
sell?

     Dave

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From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:58:06 -0300
Subject: Headers

        I am the proud owner of a 1972 Vista Cruiser, 455, 4bbl, dual
exhaust (almost a 442).  I am contemplating putting headers on it when I
have the engine rebuilt.  PAW lists Headman headers at a decent price for
the VC, but looking at the clearance between the head and A/C box it seems
like a very tight fit.  Has anyone tried headers in a big block  VC or
Cutlass with A/C??

        Also, I am building a 455 for it.  I have picked up some C heads at
the local boneyard, and I am scouting all of the local yards for a 68-69
Toro for block and crank.  I was planning to have the heads ported and the
larger valves installed, but a friend of mine warned me not to port or put
the larger valves in because I would gain horsepower at the top but lose a
lot of bottom end torque ( which is nice to have).  What are your opinions
on porting and larger valves??

        Compression ratios:  What compression ratios are possible to run on
pump gas??  I can afford premium, but am not willing to purchase racing gas
for my commuter/hauler/fun car.

        Thanks

        Erik Nowacki

        1972 Vista Cruiser
        1970 MBZ 28SE (With a F*rd 351C)
        1986 Ni**an 200SX
        1983 Kawasaki GPz 1100
        1982 Suzuki Katana 1000

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:06:39 -0300
Subject: TCC lock-up (was: Carb Problem?)

In a message dated 97-04-17 12:16:01 EDT, you write:

<< Another possiblity could be the lockup converter "locking" all the time.
 (TCC solenoid).

 It's a start....

 Mike Rothe >>

You will KNOW if the convertor is locked up all the time.  First, the lock-up
is controlled by a couple of things (normally).  The speed (road, off the
speedo in some fashion), gear, throttle position (wide open is not supposed
to be locked as far as I know), and the brake pedal (when you hit the brakes,
it is supposed to unlock the converter).  If the converter is locked all the
time (including at stops), you will know in that the car won't idle in gear,
and you will not be able to take off from a stop.

I know this from the fact that my Cadaver (Cavalier) has that problem now.
 The car kicks into the locked situations perfectly, but when coming to a
stop (when you're down around 10 mph., or so), the car will jerk, and buck,
and if left, will stall.  Once stalled, it's a crap shoot as to whether it
will still want to disengage when you start it up, and put it in gear.  If
not, it of course, stalls again.  An easy temporary fix is to figure out
which of the connections on the brake pedal controls the TCC (which is found
by pulling one, and seeing if the brake lights still work, and pulling
connections until you get it right, BTW, one quick note here, the cruise
controled cars have a swith on the brake also, so it's possible to have 3 on
the pedal switch).  After finding the correct connection, just leave it off.
 It's not good to leave in that manner for extended periods of time (trans
will get hot), but it could get you home, and allow you to get the switch
somewhere.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:24:07 -0300
Subject: 68 442 stuff -Reply

Where in western PA.?

>>> SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK <FBS3@oas.psu.edu>  4/17/97, 11:55am >>>
With all this 68 442 talk-- I need some info on a 68 442 my uncle has
sitting
in his barn in western PA. It is a 68 convertible W-30. I figure it
is rare,
but have not ever heard production ª's for one. I have only seen it
once, andf
it is a conplete car except that a 455 is under the hood at this
time. He has
the original engine on an engine stand next to it. He was thinking
about
sellingn another note- I went to a swap meet in S.Jersey over the
weekend and
got it last year but changed his mind.


=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red
sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser,
show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

------------------------------

From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:13:36 -0300
Subject: RE: Carb Problem

     I had my carb on my 1987 442 redone 2 years ago by "The Carburator
     Shop" out in CA after 120,000+ miles and here is what I have to offer:

     1)  Check around the throttle shafts for leaks.  Do this by spraying
         WD-40 around the base of the shafts as they go into the carb.  If
         the idle smooths out, the throttle shafts need rebushing.
     2)  Checked for vacum leaks already - smart first move.
     3)  O2 sensor - agree, replace if over 40,000 miles
     4)  Fuel filter - agree, replace if over 30,000 miles (or even better
         trash it and put in a high flow in-line filter)
     5)  TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) in the carb. I've had 2 go bad .
     6)  Vacumm lines running to the trans, can cause computer to hiccup
         the lockup in the torque converter (had a cracked vacumm line
         cause that)
     7)  TCC solenoid - agree a possibility
     8)  Low trans fluid level.
     9)  Did you put in B&M Trick Shift trans fluid at any time? It is NOT
         compatable w/ lockup torque converters at all!
     10) Carb properly torqued to manifold and gasket seal is good between
         them.
     11) Hale-Bopp Comet affect?

     Just my $0.02

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
(H) brad442@erols.com


------------------------------

From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 1997 16:16:34 -0300
Subject: Re: 1990 Vintage

- ----------
> From: User552217@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 1990 Vintage
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 11:59 AM
>
> A couple of years ago i purchased a 1991 Cutlass Supreme Covert.  Have
been
> pleased with it. Leaks a little during heavy rain but otherwise is a fine
> machine.  I have been looking for production numbers for this model and
if
> anyone has any info i could get  i would be forever grateful. thanks for
the
> help!
>

According to The Standard Catalog of Olds, 1,515 were made in 1991.

------------------------------

From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:45:11 -0300
Subject: searching for project car...

   Hello all, well, I guess this is worth a try..
I have been searching for an olds project car for a restoration for quite
some time now, and was wondering if anyone knows of any in the ohio area, I
saw the posting awhile back of the ones in the paper, I called on the '67
and '64 but never got a call back, guess this is ª4 n 5 i've missed now :)
but if anyone knows of one '60 - 72 cutlass or f85's laying around or in
junkyards rotting gimmie a holler, just as long as it has most of a body
and most of the frame ;) a long shot but worth a try, thanks for listening

'79 cutlass supreme
'70 delta 88

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:43:57 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

JNelson751@aol.com wrote:
>
> okay, heres mine, give it a shot
>
> 69 33667 lan139386
>  937         67a
> 10a
>
> my VIN starts with 344


1969 Cutlass Convertible (of course it COULD be a 442), with Burgundy
Mist body color and White top, with Antique Parchment (sort of
Off-white) vinyl buckets.  Built 1st week in Oct., ('68 naturally).

Does it match???

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:43:02 -0300
Subject: Wheel Question

If you had an Olds with SSIIIs and you painted the car and the wheels
argent, would you still have SSIIIs or SSIIs?
I know ~my~ answer, but want to hear others.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:40:44 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 442 stuff

SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>
> With all this 68 442 talk-- I need some info on a 68 442 my uncle has
sitting > in his barn in western PA. It is a 68 convertible W-30. I figure it
is rare, > but have not ever heard production ª's for one.

Hey, I'll buy it sight unseen for $1000 ;-)
Anyway, production numbers for the '68 442 W30 convertible:
3 speed  0
4 speed 127
TH400 43

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:53:15 -0300
Subject: MY Web Page - The Beginning

     All,
     Check out my new web page "www.erols.com/brad442" ;-)
     It's a little rough, but I'll get it going this weekend
     Seriously, I'll have some content on it about my 442 & Olds Centennial
     Club hopefully up by Sunday night

     Bryceman - How much do you charge, by the hour or by the page?
     I'll get back to ya 'bout that other web site tomorrow (you know which
     one)

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
     (W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
     (H) brad442@erols.com  ;-)


------------------------------

From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 14:37:43 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

- ----------
> From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
> Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 2:19 PM
>
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 JPADA@Orbital.COM wrote:
>
> > The good Dr. Robert Barry wrote:
> >
> > ...If your car has *four* _round_ headlights and 400 or more cubic
inches
> > under the hood, you ARE driving a musclecar!
> >
>
> what is it considered if your only at 350 cubic inches?
>
> 50 short of a musclecar! ;)

------------------------------

From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:21:02 -0300
Subject: [none]

I think I've figured out this whole J-head C-head thing, could someone
verify my understanding:
J-head - lowest compression, 75/76
C-head - really high comp, really big valves, etc..

AM I correct that their are 10 heads for a 455, numbered roughly in order
of performance A - J?  (If so, would a '74 have better than J?)


...Musclecar definition (a me-too-thing)...
Since car's are modifiable, a real definition would be performance/size
based.  A > 3500lbs that can perform like a muscle car is one.
ex:
1975 Impala, 4 headlights, with 400 stuffed in it.
1975 Cutlass, 2 headlights, with 350/ lots of performance stuff.
Here performance, not headlights and Cid's make the car
....End of my 2.5 cents....................

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard of olds's: Current count : 4 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
.....End of self-promo                      .....

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:25:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 12:32 PM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Used would be better as I am trying to budget, as long as they are in
>good shape.  Please e-mail me privately with a price, in fact, what the
>heck, let me know how much you need for both the used and the NOS.
>--
>Daniel Bennett


Dan

        The price for the used are $15.00 each. These are not in perfect
shape. If the ones you got have good chrome then you can go to the dealer
and buy new center rocket emblems for $4.50 each. The N.O.S. ones run $36.00
each. They're starting to get harder to find. So your looking at almost
$150.00 for 4 new ones. I'll see if I have enough good ones to throw a set
together.

Jim Chermack

P.S. How's the clock running?

------------------------------

From: Benton3@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 16:28:03 -0300
Subject: 66 442 fuel pump

When I replaced the fuel pump on my `66 Olds 442 I found an odd part attached
to the pump body (discharge side, between the pump and the fuel line to the
carb).The part is round and flat like a smashed donut with a small bolt in the
center. When I disassembled the part I found only a round rubber diaphram.
Could this be a pulse dampener of some kind? If so, why was this part needed?
I had removed this part with no ill effects but replaced it two weeks later.
If anyone can shed some light on this subject I would be grateful. Donald B.
Smith OCA ª17788 N.Ca. OCAª1543

------------------------------

From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:03:01 -0300
Subject: RE:My Web Page - The Beginning (DON'T GO)

     All,
     Don't go to www.erols.com/brad442 if you want any content.  The page
     shown is what you get w/ membership to their ISP service, 1MB of space
     total.  I didn't know if many surfers had seen a page in it's infancy.
     As of 4PM EST it was only 1.5 hours old.
     Check back next week, I should have somethin' worth looking at

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
     (W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
     (H) brad442@erols.com

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:06:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission rebuild or new?

Make sure the convertor, trans cooloer and lines are flushed to remove any
metal shavings. The rebuild/used trans might not last too long otherwise.

Just reiterating good advice from others on this list.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
Hey everyone,

     Well I found out that my transmission needs either a rebuild or I need
a new one all together.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

------------------------------

From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:26:13 -0300
Subject: replacement clutch

  I know most Olds are automaticsbut my '65 has a 4-speed.  GM seems to
favor diaphrams over 3 finger clutches, but everyone I've spoken to swears
that the 3 finger is superior in terms of engagement at higher RPM's. (My
uncle's GTO has a diaphram and he's had it fail to engage fully at 6500-6800
RPM).  I know these are not normal conditions to run an engine, but I used
to shift my old Ford around 6500 if the other guy was too close.  Has anyone
used a 3 finger Long or Borg and Beck on thier Olds?  If so, how do you like
it and which brand is it?  Also, does anyone use a Centerforce diaphram
clutch and where do you shift at?

  Thanks.

  Paul Brillhat

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:20:54 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

MROTHE wrote:
>
> JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> >
> >  I have also been told that the gold interior only came in a bench seat,
but this car has buckets.  My car has the 400 with 400 tranny, dual exausts
with the > > Gold interior came as 334 code for cloth bench also. > > Check
the Tranny numbers for VIN code.  If they match, and it is NOT an > OD tranny
code, (should be OG or OW) then BINGO.  Done deal.  Also, a > small known
fact....this niether proves or disproves, but the Cutlass > front sway bar is
square on the ends.  The 442 front sway bar, is > somewhat fatter, (.970" vs
the Cutlass .937" in dia.) but it has rounded > ends with a rounded extrusion
on the end.  Call it a sway bar "cyst" if > you will.  Someone swapping this
item, well....they would REALLY have to > know what they were doing. > > I
hope this helps in our never ending battle to document this great > car's
history.  But, never forget, it's still an OLDS! > > As stated before, my 69
Hurst is documented, and it also has a Cutlass 2 > dr body code (33687) but
has the Hurst paint and interior codes, along > with matching numbers.  My 71
though, has a 34487 body code.  Go > figure!!! > > Mike Rothe

The tranny definetly has a "OG". Are the last couple of ª's supposed to
match the VIN, or is it just a serial ª.

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:22:52 -0300
Subject: Hot Wheels 442 W30

The Hot Wheels 442 W-30 sucks!  And you guys thought the Racing
Champions one was bad (well, ok.  it is).  This sucker is bright bananna
yellow and is shaped more like a D*dge Challenger.  And to top it off, it
doesn't even drive straight!  Oh well.  What can you expect for 87 cents?

However, though I dislike the Racing Champs white 442 so much that I
won't buy it, I do like the Racing Champs Hot Rod Magazine edition '69
Olds 442.  It uses the same body as the white one, except that it has a
cool orange/black/yellow/silver paint job and proportional tires.  It looks a
lot better than the white one with it's teeny-weeny, off-centered,
disproportional tires.  I noticed that some of them looked like they were put
together and painted by blind, dysfunctional senior citizens (no offense).
Some have crooked/backwards engines, while others have crappy
paintjobs with fingerprints, and still others have missing mirrors or
"hubcaps".  But if you search through the stack, you might find one worth
buying.

I'm still waiting to find Series ª4 of the Johnny lightning '70 442 Pace Car.
I have ª1-3...

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:13:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 442 stuff

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

> Hey, I'll buy it sight unseen for $1000 ;-)

Yeah me too!

> Anyway, production numbers for the '68 442 W30 convertible:
>         3 speed   0
>         4 speed 127
>         TH400    43

Where did you get these figures?  How about TH400 68 442 no W30?

Chris

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:18:54 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
>

> The tranny definetly has a "OG". Are the last couple of ª's supposed to
> match the VIN, or is it just a serial ª.

It's just a serial ª.  However, on most TH400s, the VIN is stamped on
the housing just behind the shift linkage bracket on the edge, next to
the pan.

Hope this helped.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:38:27 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 -442 NOT '67!

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
>>> I've never been a big fan of the "parking lights between the headlights"
>>>style either, but wouldnt the '68 fall into the catagory of "funny
>>>headlights" too?
>>> :-)

>> Hey!!! Them's *fightin'* words!!! It's
>>distinctive, maybe, but never > funny looking!!!  ;-)

>Greg is right! D'em is fight'n words!!!

Now why did I know this was going to happen?  I'm gonna have a bunch of
'68's chasing me around Lansing in August.

>Chris Sparks
>(68 442 Sports Coupe, has "B"ig posts and will clobber you with them ;-)

Please try and keep up... :-)

- -Jeff

1970 442  4-Speed  "faster than them thar '68's"...  :-)

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:49:48 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Olds V6 Oil Delivery.....Comments?

Check out Smokey's book _How to Make Horsepower_ (or Build, or something like
that). I think it might also be described in _V-6 Performance_, by another
author. These are HP books if I remember right. I'll try to check tonight for
sure.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
Anyone have more detailed descriptions of this procedure?  It might save the
life of ~my~ V6!  (That is ~already~ knocking with supposedly less than 1000
miles on it, but has very little oil pressure, etc... )  If I decide to keep
the motor, this would be really good info.  (And, if this info helps, it
might help me decide to keep the motor!)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu

------------------------------

From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:49:52 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Paul L. Fikaris wrote:

>
>
> ----------
> > From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
> > Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 2:19 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 JPADA@Orbital.COM wrote:
> >
> > > The good Dr. Robert Barry wrote:
> > >
> > > ...If your car has *four* _round_ headlights and 400 or more cubic
> inches
> > > under the hood, you ARE driving a musclecar!
> > >
> >
> > what is it considered if your only at 350 cubic inches?
> >
> > 50 short of a musclecar! ;)
>

I'll duct tape another 50 on  as soon as I can

Dustin

------------------------------

From: "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 17:51:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply -Reply

The interior is black.

- ----------
> From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply -Reply
> Date: Thursday, April 17, 1997 11:43 AM
>
> The interior is dk. red buckets & console. Buckets need recovering
> and the back is original and not ripped.
>                                             Gary
>
> >>> <JFOWLER@capecod.net>  4/17/97, 02:00pm >>>
> GARY RUBRICH wrote:
> >
> > James,
> >   Looking for any 69 cutlass s conv. parts? I'm parting one out,
> > let me know. My name is Gary, and I'm in Michigan.
> >                                                Gary
> >                                                72 442 (350)
> >
> > >>> "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>  4/16/97, 09:27pm >>>
> > Can any one tell me how many of these cars were built?
> >
> > What is the correct engine size?
> >
> > I recently installed a 455 bored .04 with a small cam.  I am
> > interested in
> > finding a posi rear end (this is so my back tires wear evenly).
> >
> > I have had this car since I was 16 (over 20yrs).  Any help would be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > paradise@interl.net
>
> What color is the interior?
>
>

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From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 18:57:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30

Blaine Sanders sez:
>
> The Hot Wheels 442 W-30 sucks!

I thought it was pretty cool. I'm staring at two of them (one with the
original Hot Wheel Crager SS-type mags and another with the seven-spoke
mags) hanging from my bulletin board here at w*rk . I don't know how they
run 'cause I never take them out of the pack! Be thankful you got a Hot
Wheel of a car you own? in the first place. No Delta 88 anything from
Revell, Testors, Hot Wheels, Matchbox, Corgi, Dinky, OR Tootsie!!

BTW anyone know if they made promos of '69 Deltas?

Oh, and thanks guys for the thread about "what is a musclecar" As of three
days ago, I didn't own a one, but today I do! (made it by 55 cubic inches!)
However, I think a musclecar should be limited to weighing UNDER two tons!

Paul Fikaris
fikaris@en.com
'69 Delta 88 conv 455 (4,472 lbs fully loaded) (me+olds+full tank of
hi-test)

------------------------------

From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:05:25 -0300
Subject: [none]

My grandmother has a '86 98  that recently aquired a case of the gremlins
it aparently is having a few odd electrical problems (interior lights
mostly) but the main concern is a small box on the drivers side of the
engine compartment (as described to me it sound like it is directly
opposite the battery)   aparently it has been buzzing and vibrating
occasionally after the car is shut off   couple days ago it ran for a
couple hours constantly   a neighbor disconnected it and the car hasnt
been driven    I suspect I'm going to end up working on this and am
wondering what this mysterious little box is    any ideas?

thanks alot
           Dustin

------------------------------

From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:19:58 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

Reply to message from dcross@selway.umt.edu of Thu, 17 Apr
>
>
>
>On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Paul L. Fikaris wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> > From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
>> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> > Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
>> > Date: Wednesday, April 16, 1997 2:19 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 JPADA@Orbital.COM wrote:
>> >
>> > > The good Dr. Robert Barry wrote:
>> > >
>> > > ...If your car has *four* _round_ headlights and 400 or more cubic
>> inches
>> > > under the hood, you ARE driving a musclecar!
>> > >
>> >
>> > what is it considered if your only at 350 cubic inches?
>> >
>> > 50 short of a musclecar! ;)
>>
>
>I'll duct tape another 50 on  as soon as I can
>
>Dustin
>

  Can I substitute 400 ci for 400 hp?? lemme just get those headers on ;)

'70 delta 88 daily driver (with the 4 round headlights, unsafe starts, and
many finger marks ;) )
'79 cutlass (just sitting with no plan of action)

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:33:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30 -Reply

>>> "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com> 04/17/97 03:57pm >>>

>Be thankful you got a Hot Wheel of a car you own? in the first place. No
>Delta 88 anything from Revell, Testors, Hot Wheels, Matchbox, Corgi,
>Dinky, OR Tootsie!!

Doh!  I *would* be thankful if I had a car of the Hot Wheel I own ;)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Johnny Lightning make a Delta 88
Pace Car?  Not a '69, though...

- -Blaine

------------------------------

From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:56:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb Problem

Brad,
         Do you have a number for the carb. shop on CA. I need to get a 70
442 carb rebuilt and replated.
                                                                  Thanks


                                                                        Steve


------------------------------

From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:57:51 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's


Not all 68 and 69 442's had the culass trim tags, but alot of 68's and some
69's had them.  Check out the vin for sure.  If you have a question if the VIN
ª's have been swapped check your frame for the vin numbers. The most popular
spot for 68-72's is on the outside of the drivers side frame rail about 6
inches back from where the frame turns in toward the front tire. The numbers
are about 1/4 inch high , I have also seen them on top of the drivers side
frame rail back by the gas tank on the early years 64-67.

Mike
66 442
69 H/0
70 W30
71 442 Convt

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:57:31 -0300
Subject: 66 Delta  codes

Ok you number  gurus tell me about my car.
The Vin is 35867 6X120774

The cowl tag says  12B Lansing Michigan
                             ST 6635867    Body BK 237
                             TR 917           Paint 237
                             ACC ( I think... it has glob of something
partialy covering this)
Thanks in advance
Walter

------------------------------

From: DATIC@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:17:33 -0300
Subject: '66 Dynamic conv pts

Hello all,

     About the 66 Dynamic conv I just got, it has a passenger door from a
Delta 88
on it, at least I think it does, it has 2 rows of trim mounting holes on the
lower part
of it, just below the major body line. While I could weld up the holes and
drill in
the correct ones, does anybody have a Dynamic door they would be interested
in
trading me?

     Thanks a lot

     Dave T.
     '66 Dynamic 88 conv.
     '96 VW GTI
     '73 VW Sport Bug

------------------------------

From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:19:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Lights lights & more lights

Speaking of ineffective lights, has anyone seen the "nipple" lights on '92
and up Cieras?  They are these little dimples just above the power window and
lock buttons on both the front door.  My friend and were befuddled by these
"nipples" (we thought it was just some pent-up engineer with too much sex
drive who designed them) until we realized that they illuminated the buttions
at night.  A nice little useless feature, Methinks.

Duane Ambroz
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible
1989 Buick Century T-type (which it too old to have the "nipple" lights)

------------------------------

From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:36:34 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Bill...

But my 1970 Cutlass has both the map light on the dash AND the light on the
mirror, so the mirror light obviously doesn't replace the dash light.  Maybe
they had really big maps back then...

Duane Ambroz
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible
1989 Buick Century T-type

------------------------------

From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:34:38 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Chris,

Perhaps the mirror light option was not available as a stand alone in '68, or
maybe it wasn't even offered.  Who knows, GM can be goofy at times, you know.

Who woulda ever thought so many peices of mail would be exchanged concerning
a dinky little light bulb?

Duane Ambroz
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertile
1989 Buick Century T-type (with no mirror light for me to lose sleep over)

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:33:44 -0300
Subject: Re:

At 02:44 AM 4/17/97 -0300, Steve Bento wrote:
>
>
>Hi Everybody,
>
>It has been a while since I have sent anything to the list.  I have been so
>busy with tax season that I hardly had time to read all the e-mail
>messages... Well I made my first voyage to the dragway tonight, I was in my
>"other" car which did ok with a best time of 14.66@95.03 mph.. I saw a
>couple of Olds' up there also :-) , one was a 86-87 442 running 15.7's (I
>am not to familiar with these cars so I am not sure if those times  are
>good??).

Those times sound right. Although my 80 442 has never seen a dragstrip it
has done 15.8's on a G-Tech, and this with the lame stock 2.73 rear. Gotta
think that if I went  with the 3.73's and the better gearing of the 200-R4
that the 85-87 442's have my 80 would dip into the low 15's and if lucky
high 14's.

>"its got a Chevy in it, LS6 454"...Well my jaw dropped and I instantly
changed the subject to OAI hood,
>All I could think of was why did you do it!!!! Granted I think the Chevy
>big block is one of the best engines out there but I don't think it belongs
>between the fenders off an Olds.....Anyway after all the money this guy
>spent on the car it only went 13.8's!!!  I wish I brought my Olds up there
>tonight.......

I don't think the LS6 belongs there either but what can you do?

>
>On a side note, those 4th gen Camaro's are FAST!!! I saw a SS run 13.2's
>and a couple of Z28's running mid 13's!! All of them were getting rubber in
>2nd and 3rd gear, I didn't get a chance to talk to these guys and I am
>wondering are these cars that quick stock???

Contrary to many Oldsmobile owners ignorance of the great LT1 engine, the
4th gen Z/28's are fast. Stock for Stock the 93's are a bit faster than the
94-97's by a tenth or so. There are recorded times on the f-body time slip
page of bone stock 4th gens running 13.4 to 13.6's, but the average for a
stock 4th gen is 13.7 to 14.0 usually. These cars break loose easy under WOT
shifts from 1-2 and 2-3 (I should know my car does it with a 3.23 posi rear)
The 4th gens have a tremendous flat torque band and make most of their power
in the upper rpm range as opposed to the old L98's (in late 3rd gen's) which
were low end grunt motors. As for the SS running 13.2's I ~seriously~ doubt
he was stock, best time I have seen from an SS is 13.5 bone stock.  It isn't
that hard to break into the high 12's with the 4th gen Z's. With a
supercharger and traction mods 11's are easy.
>
>Well its good to be back ;-)  I am sure I will be sending in some questions
>now that I have time to finish up the Olds.......

Nice to see you back Steve, look at my sig....I joined the Mustang ranks
also :-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2
89 Mustang GT: Blue, 5.0, M5, many mods...12.78@111mph
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:38:32 -0300
Subject: Re:

At 07:05 PM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>My grandmother has a '86 98  that recently aquired a case of the gremlins
>it aparently is having a few odd electrical problems (interior lights
>mostly) but the main concern is a small box on the drivers side of the
>engine compartment (as described to me it sound like it is directly
>opposite the battery)   aparently it has been buzzing and vibrating
>occasionally after the car is shut off   couple days ago it ran for a
>couple hours constantly   a neighbor disconnected it and the car hasnt
>been driven    I suspect I'm going to end up working on this and am
>wondering what this mysterious little box is    any ideas?
>
>thanks alot
>           Dustin
>
>
Dustin

        I have a 86 98. What you are discribing is the air compressor for
the auto leveling system. It should only operate for about 5-10 secondes
after the car is shut off. If it continues to run you have a leak in the
rear air line or bad rear struts. If she has had them replaced they may have
installed non self leveling and the air lines are not hooked up. Having it
disconeccted WILL NOT hurt anything. Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:42:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30

At 06:57 PM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Blaine Sanders sez:
>>
>> The Hot Wheels 442 W-30 sucks!
>
>I thought it was pretty cool. I'm staring at two of them (one with the
>original Hot Wheel Crager SS-type mags and another with the seven-spoke
>mags) hanging from my bulletin board here at w*rk . I don't know how they
>run 'cause I never take them out of the pack! Be thankful you got a Hot
>Wheel of a car you own? in the first place. No Delta 88 anything from
>Revell, Testors, Hot Wheels, Matchbox, Corgi, Dinky, OR Tootsie!!
>
>BTW anyone know if they made promos of '69 Deltas?
>
>Oh, and thanks guys for the thread about "what is a musclecar" As of three
>days ago, I didn't own a one, but today I do! (made it by 55 cubic inches!)
>However, I think a musclecar should be limited to weighing UNDER two tons!
>
>Paul Fikaris
>fikaris@en.com
>'69 Delta 88 conv 455 (4,472 lbs fully loaded) (me+olds+full tank of
>hi-test)
>
Paul

        They do make some Delta 88 items. Johnny Lightning offers the 78
Pace Car in matchbox size. Pretty cool too. There use to be a Police car
model of I believe a 69 or 70 Delta 4 door. I haven't seen one in about
15-20 years though. If you can do with a newer Delta there was a Nascar
model of the 86-87 model offer also.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:44:22 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 Kabootski@aol.com wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Perhaps the mirror light option was not available as a stand alone in '68,
or > maybe it wasn't even offered.  Who knows, GM can be goofy at times, you
know. > > Who woulda ever thought so many peices of mail would be exchanged
concerning > a dinky little light bulb?

kinda reminds ya of a recent post concerning changing them dont it

------------------------------

From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:45:37 -0300
Subject: 66 442 fuel pump

Donald,

  That little device was suppose to help solve vapor lock.  My car has the
same thing, someone told me that little device came only on 4 speed air cars.


Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 W30
71 442 Convt

______________________________________________________________________________
__

When I replaced the fuel pump on my `66 Olds 442 I found an odd part attached
to the pump body (discharge side, between the pump and the fuel line to the
carb).The part is round and flat like a smashed donut with a small bolt in the
center. When I disassembled the part I found only a round rubber diaphram.
Could this be a pulse dampener of some kind? If so, why was this part needed?
I had removed this part with no ill effects but replaced it two weeks later.
If anyone can shed some light on this subject I would be grateful. Donald B.
Smith OCA ª17788 N.Ca. OCAª1543

------------------------------

From: "jallen" <jallen@wave-net.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:59:34 -0300
Subject: Trim parts & chrome for 57 Olds 88 convertible

I am restoring a 57-J2 convertible. Need NOS or Reporduction trim parts
Joseph P. Allen
jallen@wave-net.net

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:53:00 -0300
Subject: Re: replacement clutch

At 05:26 PM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>
>  I know most Olds are automaticsbut my '65 has a 4-speed.  GM seems to
>favor diaphrams over 3 finger clutches, but everyone I've spoken to swears
>that the 3 finger is superior in terms of engagement at higher RPM's. (My
>uncle's GTO has a diaphram and he's had it fail to engage fully at 6500-6800
>RPM).  I know these are not normal conditions to run an engine, but I used
>to shift my old Ford around 6500 if the other guy was too close.  Has anyone
>used a 3 finger Long or Borg and Beck on thier Olds?  If so, how do you like
>it and which brand is it?  Also, does anyone use a Centerforce diaphram
>clutch and where do you shift at?
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Paul Brillhat
>
>
Paul

        Stick with the diaphram. It engages better from a stop and is not as
jerky. The Centerforce clutch is awsome. I had one in my W-30 and drag raced
the crap out of it with NO failures. It will not suck to the floor like a
stock diaphram at high RPM.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 20:55:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Wheel Question

Hmm... well, technically speaking, to the casual observer, you would have
SSIIIs.   Of course, it depends on the year of the car and the model.
 HOWEVER, a true enthuesiast might want to look at the production stamps to
determine if the wheels were originally SSIIs or IIIs...

I would say, don't be anal about it.  I put a set of SSIIIs on my black '68
Cutlass, which didn't even have 14x7 inch SS wheels available as an option,
and they looked much better than those stupid grey SSIIs...

------------------------------

From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:03:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocker Questions

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
> You Wrote:
>
>      Since then, I have been trying to make an adjustable pushrod tool so
> that I can atleast find out why my valve train is so noisy. I think the
> pushrod length needs to be longer but how much longer not sure, that's
> were the pushrod tool come in. I will let the list know when I'm done
> making the tool. It might be handy and possibly save me from buying the
> kit. All I may just need is longer pushrods.
>
> *************************
> Why not just buy and use the adjustable pushrods that Mondello sells? I have
> a set in my 72 455 (as well as Mondello's 22-25 cam) and after many miles
> and 5500 RPM bursts they are doing fine.
>
> John Pajak     DR OLDS
> Lexington Park, Maryland
>
> 72 442 W30 Convertible (with adjustable pushrods!)

JOhn,
the push rod tool will not be used in the engine, it is just to measure
for the correct length and valve train geometry. I can install
Mondello's adjustables but there is a chance that my geometry will be
off. This way I can check first before buying. BTW Mondello sells them
for an arm and a leg, I hear. How much did you pay for them?

Fernando
'72 442

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:38:00 -0300
Subject: Re: head games

> I think I've figured out this whole J-head C-head thing, could someone
> verify my understanding:
> J-head - lowest compression, 75/76
> C-head - really high comp, really big valves, etc..
>
> AM I correct that their are 10 heads for a 455, numbered roughly in order
> of performance A - J?  (If so, would a '74 have better than J?)

J heads are indeed lowest compression. The heads are not in any order of
performance. K heads are better than Js for performance. K heads are the
service replacements for W-30s and marine applications. To my knowledge
the A and B heads never came with 455s. In '74 the only 455 head
produced for '74 cars was the J. Although the Ks and KAs might have been
availible.

Danny

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:19:21 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> I have also been told that the gold interior only came in a bench seat, but
> this car has buckets.

Uhhh, that would have been me and I told you the wrong thing.  I
misunderstood the book and didn't realize it until later.  Gold interior
was available in buckets seats in the coupe and convertible.  A gold bench
seat was available for the convertible only, it was not available on the
coupe.  Don't know why tho...

Sorry for the confusion.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:15:47 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> Bill...
>
> But my 1970 Cutlass has both the map light on the dash AND the light on the
> mirror, so the mirror light obviously doesn't replace the dash light.  Maybe
> they had really big maps back then...
>
> Duane Ambroz
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> 1989 Buick Century T-type


Duane,

That must have been the year that AAA started using those darned strip
maps.  One had to lay it all along the dash to read it.

My '68 has only the dash one - Cheap convertible.  It has drum brakes
too.

As you can see I didn't "know" that the one replaced the other, but it
seemed logical.  That was the beginning of a series of mistakes.  I take
that as a lesson learned.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 19:46:01 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Ok, I guess I ask this one:
>
> What is a ponycar?
>
> And no horsing around, ok ;-)
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442

A ponycar could be considerd a 2+2. The back seats of which were
apparently designed by and for aliens.

Danny

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:29:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Just What Every Garage Needs

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Last night I made the mistake of visiting my buddy and ace mechanic Don
> Hirtle at his palatial garage. I always hate going to his place because
> he always has some new toy. Last night was no exception.
>
> He somehow found and acquired a 1959 model Sun distributor machine, mint,
> with all the manuals and in perfect working order. It looks brand-new in
> fact. He had to demonstrate it for me, and it was quite impressive. All
> sorts of dials, knobs and gizmos on it. Looks something like a small
> jukebox. I suppose it's only really useful for points distributors, but
> you can analyze the dwell at various rpms, check wear on the cam, test the
> vac advance with the built-in vacuum pump, and play with the mechanical
> advance and see what the results are. When the thing is spinning at
> 1000+rpm it makes quite an impressive noise! Though you better hope those
> mechanical advance weights are well-attached... :)
>
> Of course, he has also got all of the shims, special Delco-Remy
> distributor grease, etc., that one needs to become an expert repairer of
> the beasts, so I've made an appointment with Dr. Distributor for the near
> future to check out my Olds ASAP...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

That's it Greg, milk it for everything you can get. That's what freinds
are for....?

Fernando
'72 442

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:36:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Stripe Options

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Hmmm an Orange stripe.  What color would they have paired that one up
> to?

Orange stripes were available with the follow colors

> Nocturne Blue Irid (Option E)
> Willow Gold Irid (Option G)
> Ocean Turquoise Irid (Option K)
> Teal Blue Irid (Option L)
> Burgundy Irid (Option N)
> Silver Green Irid (Option P)
> Scarlet (Option R)
> Jade Gold Irid (Option S)
> Ivory (Option T)
> Juneau Gray Irid (Option V)

So says the SPECS book.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 21:40:08 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Delta codes

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, jones wrote:
> Ok you number  gurus tell me about my car.
> The Vin is 35867 6X120774
>
> The cowl tag says  12B Lansing Michigan
>                              ST 6635867    Body BK 237
>                              TR 917           Paint 237
>                              ACC ( I think... it has glob of something
> partialy covering this)

Walter, I'd like to, but all my books only cover Cutlasses and those trim
and paint numbers don't match up. All I can tell is that it was built the
second week of December and that it's a '66. Sorry.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:03:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Hot Wheels 442 W30

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:

> I'm still waiting to find Series ª4 of the Johnny lightning '70 442 Pace
Car.  I > have ª1-3...

Yeah, "me too".  I've been waiting for months.  Wonder where they're at?

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: "David L. Eiche" <deiche@holli.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:21:23 -0300
Subject: '79 Cutlass Diesel info wanted

My father owns a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon Coupe.  It has the 260 diesel
V-8 with a 5-speed manual transmission.  This was apparently a very rare
combination; he believes that less than 400 such cars were produced and
would like to verify that figure.

Dad is considering selling the car and wonders if there would be any
collector interest.  He realizes that the Olds diesel has a bad reputation
but still believes that the car's rarity might appeal to an Olds enthusiast.

If anyone can suggest a good source for production information on the car,
or  has an idea of the car's value, please let me know.  I have already
found an address for the Oldsmobile History Center on a very informative
Olds web page and will forward that to him.


- ----
David EicheInternet (home): deiche@holli.com

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From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:24:26 -0300
Subject: Re: '79 Cutlass Diesel How much?

David L. Eiche wrote:
>
> My father owns a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon Coupe.  It has the 260 diesel
> V-8 with a 5-speed manual transmission.  This was apparently a very rare
> combination; he believes that less than 400 such cars were produced and
> would like to verify that figure.
>
> Dad is considering selling the car and wonders if there would be any
> collector interest.  He realizes that the Olds diesel has a bad reputation
> but still believes that the car's rarity might appeal to an Olds enthusiast.
>
> If anyone can suggest a good source for production information on the car,
> or  has an idea of the car's value, please let me know.  I have already
> found an address for the Oldsmobile History Center on a very informative
> Olds web page and will forward that to him.
>
> ----
> David Eiche                     Internet (home): deiche@holli.com
how much????

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:25:40 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Delta  codes

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, jones wrote:

> Ok you number  gurus tell me about my car.
> The Vin is 35867 6X120774
>
> The cowl tag says  12B Lansing Michigan
>                              ST 6635867    Body BK 237
>                              TR 917           Paint 237
>                              ACC ( I think... it has glob of something
> partialy covering this)
> Thanks in advance
> Walter

Well, since Greg wimped out on this one, I'll give you what I have.

6635867 is a '66 Oldsmobile (3) Delta 88 convertible (5867)

12B is the build date, 2nd (B) week of December (12).  That would be 1965.

BK is the Kansas City assembly plant.  237 looks like PART of the body
number, there should be more.  I don't know where the Lansing part comes
in, unless it says Oldsmobile above it or something.  The BK means it came
from Kansas City.  I don't think they built bodies and shipped them to
Kansas City, there should have been a Fisher Body plant nearby.  The X in
the VIN is listed in my '72 shop manual as Fairfax, KS.  That page is
missing out my '66 manual is missing.  Also 237 may be the whole body
number, as this the sequence number for the convertible body style at that
plant and it is an early production car.

Trim 917 is Parchment Pearl Morocceen (vinyl) with black carpeting.

I don't think you have the paint code right.  It should be letter, not
numbers and will tell the paint color and probably the convertible top
color.  Please check this again.

ACC is where accessory codes would be listed.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:42:21 -0300
Subject: Re: '79 Cutlass Diesel info wanted

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997, David L. Eiche wrote:

> My father owns a 1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Salon Coupe.  It has the 260 diesel
> V-8 with a 5-speed manual transmission.  This was apparently a very rare
> combination; he believes that less than 400 such cars were produced and
> would like to verify that figure.

Oh, come on now, April Fool's was almost a month ago.  A 5speed Diesel, in
an (ugh) salon coupe?  I'm surprised that they even made 400, if it was
that many.  Must have been some kind of fleet car or something.  I
understand the 260 diesel holds up better than the 350 though.  Don't want
to hurt your feelings, but this wasn't a popular body style when it was
new.  And popularity hasn't increased at all since then.  Sounds like a
rare bird, you'd think someone would want to own if for it's oddity.

And for the doubting Thomases, I checked the '79 SPECS book and the 5 spd
Diesel was available.  Came with either 2.41 or 3.23 gears in the 49
states and 2.73 in CA.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 22:45:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...

>My screen name has NOTHING to do with motorcycles !!!! I have had a
>strong Japanese influence on my life and it is a translation. Katana = a
>type of Japanese sword, Cutlass= a type of European sword, since all the
>good Cutlass names were gone, I chose this moniker. So, I translated
>Cutlass as best I could into the Japanese language and came up with
>Katana. Need I tell you what the 72 stands for ?? My light problems could
>stem from other problems, but I had no problems with the motor in my 79
>wagon, so I am ASSUMING that it has something to do with the computer and
>that garbage. The 79 wagon had no computer, the 81 does, but it is
>removed. I dunno....
>
>Katana72
>>

Ahh, I see...  I'd stumbled upon a web page months ago that showed a newer
streetbike and a 57 Buick (which I have also:) and I seem to recall he had
his bike in his E-mail address somehow.  I guess that answers the question
for me, sorry for any confusion...  (I personally feel speed should not
sacrifice safety, comfort and luxury, and that those items simply cannot be
achieved on two wheels only, therefore, I'm slightly biased against those
crotch rockets, too...)  Never knew that about the swords, tho'

Later :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 23:37:45 -0300
Subject: Clock...

Does anyone have a good, working clock for the IP of a 1972 Cutlass?

I have tried the WD-40 route to no avail with mine...

Thanks In Advance!
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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