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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 22 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 688

Re: Olds Chat Link URL
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
Need help
Re: 442 + 425 = 0?
Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?
Rims for an 85?
Leaks and Gaskets
Re: Legal Duals??
Re: 442 + 425 = 0?
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Olds Chat Link URL
67 Delta 88 For Sale
Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Things people have said about my cars
subscribe oldsmobile digest
This is hilarious (was: Defoggers (was: Overheating))
Junkyard Idiot (was: Things people have said about my cars)
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Legal Duals??
Re: Rims for an 85?
Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Oil discrepancies....
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Car for Sale
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Re: news stand
Wanted....tires !
Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?
Re: 442 + 425 = 0?
Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?
Re: Car for Sale
Re: Car for Sale
`67CS questions
`48 Olds for sale in VA
RE: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Re[2]: Car for Sale
Re: `67CS questions
Multiple Carbs
What speeds
350 cubic inch recipe ?
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
71' 442 asking again
Re: Chrome SSIII's & Sidney MT
Re: Rims for an 85?
Re: What speeds
Re: This is hilarious (was: Defoggers (was: Overheating))
Re: Car apprasials - auto insurance /Daren response
Re: 350 cubic inch recipe ?
Olds Show in Indy!
Re: Multiple Carbs
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: `67CS questions
Re[2]: `67CS questions

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:20:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

In a message dated 97-05-22 06:33:03 EDT, you write:

<< >           The address for the chat page is:
 >
 > http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/oldschat.htm
 >
 > Some mail readers will let you click right on this link, and go there.
 > The home page (on which it resides) is in my sig file below, and should
 also
 > be clickable on most newer mail readers. Like I said before, it's likely
 to
 > be really dull until a few members start getting there at the same time.
 I
 > talked to myself for a while there yesterday...  No, I didn't get into a
 > flame war!  ;)
 >
 >              Charley Buehner  >>

I went in there last night.  Nobody else there, it seemed to work ok to get
in, etc., will just be interesting too see how it works if we get a few
people in there at once.  Now, is anybody "surfing" around 9:00-11:00 pm
(Central)?  That's normally when I'm online, though if we could get a few
people on at once at an earlier time, I'd make plans to try and get on too.

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:21:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

In a message dated 97-05-22 06:33:03 EDT, you write:

<< >           The address for the chat page is:
 >
 > http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/oldschat.htm
 >
 > Some mail readers will let you click right on this link, and go there.
 > The home page (on which it resides) is in my sig file below, and should
 also
 > be clickable on most newer mail readers. Like I said before, it's likely
 to
 > be really dull until a few members start getting there at the same time.
 I
 > talked to myself for a while there yesterday...  No, I didn't get into a
 > flame war!  ;)
 >
 >              Charley Buehner  >>

I went in there last night.  Nobody else there, it seemed to work ok to get
in, etc., will just be interesting too see how it works if we get a few
people in there at once.  Now, is anybody "surfing" around 9:00-11:00 pm
(Central)?  That's normally when I'm online, though if we could get a few
people on at once at an earlier time, I'd make plans to try and get on too.

Chris Ruper

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From: Chad Michael Tearney <tearney@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:26:17 -0300
Subject: Need help

Hey all, I need some help, badly.  Yesterday, as I was driving my 67'
Cutlass, some guy pulled out and T-Boned me on the passenger side.  So,
needless to say I'm looking for some parts. Looking for a right rear
quarter panel, right door, right front fender, right rear window, and that
piece that is part of the quarter panel and the door jam.  I also need
all the trim and emblems.  The Cutlass is a two door coupe with the 330
and a 2bbl carb.  If anybody can give me some phone numbers, or the address
of some parts companies, i would appreciate it.

Thanks

Chad Tearney
1967 Olds Cutlass (injured)

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:38:20 -0300
Subject: Re: 442 + 425 = 0?

I missed the article about 67 442's with 425 engines but I do know that the
early 65"s had 425's before the "new" 400 cu. in. big blocks were ready. As a
matter of fact, there was a black 65 442 convertible sitting next to me in
Lansing (1987) with the red 425 engine. The owner  (Mitch Witherell from
Cleveland) heaved a huge sigh of relief when I said that I had indeed heard
of the existance of that combo because everyone thought he was crazy.
                                            Ron Forsee 65 442-meister


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From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 06:16:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

Have you tried Year One They have all original equipment after 65

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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From: chips4@worldnet.att.net
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:32:52 -0300
Subject: Rims for an 85?

Hi.  This is Dave owner of a 1985 olds 442.  I just had my car
repainted and it looks great except for one rim which I am sorry to say
is pretty rusted.  I have been looking for a replacement since I got the
car.  Does anyone know if rechroming the rim is a good idea, or is it
too expensive, or maybe it just does not come out that well.
If I could just find some rims (with the original 442 emblem on the
center cap) I would buy a whole new set if they were in mint or close to
mint condition I had one good offer a couple of years back 4 rims mint
condition $450 I knew it was a great deal but I just did not have the
cash at the time and they sold before I could get the money.  So if
anyone can help me out I would appreciate it very much.

Dave
85 442

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:31:07 -0300
Subject: Leaks and Gaskets

I am fixing a few leaks on my 70 442 and the speedometer cable where it =
goes into the transmission is leaking. Is this  a O-ring seal or what? =
How is the best way to fix this leak?

The other trouble I am haveing is with finding the correct differential =
cover gasket. I have a 12 bolt type O rear end with limited-slip. I =
ordered the Felt-Pro RDS55009 which is the one that all the parts places =
say is the correct one. It is to large and the holes do not line up. Has =
anyone ordered any from Year One or Brothers. If so, are they the correct =
one? I will call the dealer today and check with NAPA to see what they =
say.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:37:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Duals??

Aaron D Eoff asked:

A couple of friends reccomened a local muffler shop to install dual exhaust
on my 77 Olds Cutlass Supreme. ...Well, this guy goes into a lecture about
federal laws prohibiting such sytems on my car; something about catylitic
converters;fines that could be imposed; etc etc..... But i was wondering
would dual exhaust on my car be illegal?

     Any modification aft of the Cat is legal.  You will notice that a large
     number of companies market 50-state legal cat-back systems.  The
     gentleman you spoke to is assuming that you will be removing the cat to
     install true duals - that _would_ be illegal.

Does that require removing the Catylitic converter??

     No, but the cat (especially your 1977-vintage cat) will be the
     restriction.

Or is the system installed with two converters??

     That's one option.  Another is to get a high-flow cat.  These are
     available aftermarket or from a late-model high-perf car (Z-28 or Vette,
     for example).  The single high-flow cat into a set of dual mufflers will
     provide you with all the exhaust flow you need and will likely attract
     less attention at smog inspection time.

What are the shortcuts and options like private inspections and so forth. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance!!

     You're welcome.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




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From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 22:03:33 -0300
Subject: Re: 442 + 425 = 0?

 I do know that the
>early 65"s had 425's before the "new" 400 cu. in. big blocks were ready

I always thought that General Motors was VERY strict about the 400 cubic
limit in A-bodies.  The only rule breakers that I ever heard of was the
Buick 401 in '65 and '66 GS cars and Pontiac and Chevy breaking the "NO
Multi-Carb Rule" in '67.  I guess Olds was the only obedient division on
the multi carb rule when they didn't offer the Tri-Carb option in '67.

Being that the corporate bosses at GM were so strict about this, wouldn't
one think that if there really was a shortage of 400's,  (That I never
heard of)
Wouldn't Olds put in 330's?

This 400 cube limit rule spawned the birth of the Allmighty Hurst/Olds
didn't it?

I think it also was the reason for Yenko Chevys and Royal Bobcat Pontiacs.
GM wasn't thinking!  The market for these cars was HUGE

As cars get older and original parts become more scarace, I hear more and
more stories popping up about "certain engines being put in cars because
they ran out"  I don't think I would buy a car like that unless Olds would
verify it.

Just look at all of the "COPO" 427 Camaros you hear about now.  20 years
ago knowbody ever heard of one.  All  it took was a article about "One" in
MCR about 8 years ago...and now EVERY Camaro has a COPO 427 in it!

Another one that cracks me up is the Rallye 350 owner who claims that it
came from the factory with a W-31 motor.  Yep...Seen 'em.....But sorry
folks....Not one Rally 350 car was sold to the public with this set up. I
know I will start a war here, but talk to OHS. One thing odd though.....The
two Rallyes I owned years ago did have the huge harmonic balancers on them.
I think it was because of the OAI option on the 350.  Any one care to
comment on this?

Just my 2 cents!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:35:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

> thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
> someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
> told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
> that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
> a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
> rocket.

Maybe I was born stupid, then, but I thought I'd heard somewhere that
there really was a Rocket engine, per se, that was different.  If not,
someone clear me up so I don't go around being ignorant anymore!!!

8)
peg

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 11:41:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Chat Link URL

> I went in there last night.  Nobody else there, it seemed to work ok to get
> in, etc., will just be interesting too see how it works if we get a few
> people in there at once.  Now, is anybody "surfing" around 9:00-11:00 pm
> (Central)?  That's normally when I'm online, though if we could get a few
> people on at once at an earlier time, I'd make plans to try and get on too.

This reminds me of the IRC effort a while back . . . . there is an
ªoldsmobile channel on IRC which, in my opinion, has less lag most times
than Web chats.  I've dropped by the olds channel, though, and nobody goes
there, either.  Is it time to gauge the interest again for a weekly
ªoldsmobile chat??

8)
peg

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:00:22 -0300
Subject: 67 Delta 88 For Sale

I sent this out yesterday, but I didn't see it on the list.


Here is a good buy for someone. This is from: =
http://www.classifieds2000.com


                 1967, Oldsmobile=A0Delta 88, 120K miles, $3,600 firm

                   Options
                                  Light Blue exterior, Light Blue =
interior
                                  Air Conditioning
                                  Classic Car
                                  Two Door
                                  Automatic Transmission

                   Description
 Verrry Cherry Great looking & running car 2 Door, White Hardtop, Bucket =
Seats, Console Shift. THIS CAR WAS TAKEN CARE OF.........A RARE
 FIND IN THIS CONDITION!!

                   Seller Info
                                  For sale by private party

                                  (904) 478-4722 [Day]

                                  (904) 941-0574 [Eve]

                                  brink@pen.net

                                  Pensacola, Florida 32503

                   Post Date
                                  20-MAY-97


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:23:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)

After Mike gets the Toro door open, he finds a Pontiac advertisement torn
out of a recent issue of Car Craft had been wedged into the lock.

Andy's confession still rings in the crowd's ears: "Yes, it's true: I do
not currently have an Olds."

      < Ship of Andy's rationalization of why he had to find
        a good home for his Cutlass -- cut and pasted from his
        recent rationalization to the Humane Society as to why
        he had to find a good home for his kid's puppy dog. >

CROWD: Puppy dog???!!  [Much murmuring and raising of eyebrows]

Several members of the crowd remove their Olds jackets to reveal PETA
T-shirts.  They don't look happy.  A woman with "I love my Golden
Retreiver" on her shirt sticks out her tongue at Andy.

The violin section throws down their bows in disgust and walks out.

Andy notices the change in mood, stops reading a posting for a "Yugo for
sale", and joins the Pontiac list for support.  The administrator, who
has two Border Collies, immediately boots him off the list.

Mike smirks, slips in a puddle of soapy water, gets back up, and climbs
back into the Toro.  He stares at the poster of Route 66 on the garage
door and makes motor noises...

Andy shrugs, returns to reading the Yugo post, and picks his nose.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:09:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

Chris wrote: "why is mine seven...".  The shop manual will probably tell
you what the cooling system pressure should be.  Just because you have a
7 lb cap doesn't mean its the correct one.  Often times in order to
disguise cooling system leaks people put faulty (no pressure) caps or
lower pressure caps on the car.  If you have AC your are more apt to
have the higher pressure cap required.  Find out factory specs and stick
with that.  By the way cooling system pressure checkers have an adapter
that the cap fits on and is easily checked to be sure is is as rated.
Any good shop probably has one.   John

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:29:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

At 11:35 AM 5/22/97 -0300, Peg O'Connor wrote:

>Maybe I was born stupid, then, but I thought I'd heard somewhere that
>there really was a Rocket engine, per se, that was different.  If not,
>someone clear me up so I don't go around being ignorant anymore!!!
>
 I thought so too. The air cleaner on my 80 and 75 Olds say "Oldsmobile 350"
while the air cleaner emblem on a 72 I have at the yard says "Oldsmobile
Rocket 350"...hmmmm
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28............13.402 @ 102.31
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..restoration project

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From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:40:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

- ----------
> >
> > Nice car, too bad it wasn't an older 442 (I HATE that one).
> >
> > What's that dent from (reply: where I hit a tree).
> >
What about freinds that when seeing a Chevª$%le or GT@ say oh look its just
like yours.

And dont even try explaining to the younger generation that the different
car companies
actually made their own engines.They all think that all cars had Chª$y
engines in them
like todays generic cars.UGHHH.

Frank Gonzalez
70 442
71 W30 442 convt
72 Cutalass S
90 LSC

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From: "Bryce Osborne" <LAVAROOM@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:38:14 -0300
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile digest

Bryce

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:47:27 -0300
Subject: This is hilarious (was: Defoggers (was: Overheating))

In a message dated 97-05-22 04:10:14 EDT, you write:

<<
 [Several members of the audience are now overcome with emotion and are
 being carried out on stretchers. Mike finally gets his door open again, and,
 forgetting that the car is up on jackstands, tumbles out the door.
Recovering
 nicely, he dusts himself off and totters back up to the podium...]

 >    66 Toro
 >The /\   /\ and Mike

 We await further comment.

 Andrew C. Green >>

I don't know about everyone else, but these two are just killing me....
 ROTFLMAO.

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:54:43 -0300
Subject: Junkyard Idiot (was: Things people have said about my cars)

In a message dated 97-05-22 06:46:03 EDT, you write:

<< > .....End of self-promo                                  .....
 another one people ask me "have you got a 442 ci in that?" everyone
 thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
 someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
 told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
 that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
 a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
 rocket.
 Marty
 68 442 400ci auto >>

When Dave Brown, Karl Aune, and I were at A&B, the guy showing us around (who
had the hands that were so dirty, they looked like he PAINTED them black) was
showing us an engine that we thought at first might be a big block.  We
started down this road of whether a 350 (which was what we were looking at)
was actually a "Rocket", and we said it was at least twice, but obviously, it
didn't sink in.  He didn't seem real bring, at one time mubling about getting
lost in the yard after a few beers (what a suprise, ha).  These were the same
guys who knocked over, and tried running over the fire barrel (in the yard),
with the pick-up, of course there was still a fire in it!

Chris Ruper

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 04:10:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

>What about freinds that when seeing a Chevª$%le or GT@ say oh look its just
>like yours.
>
>And dont even try explaining to the younger generation that the different
>car companies
>actually made their own engines.They all think that all cars had Chª$y
>engines in them
>like todays generic cars.UGHHH.

The younger generation?  I've had plenty of trouble telling 40yr olds that
olds pontiac and buick each built their own different engines.  I've even
had people argue with me that olds engines are identical to chevys.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:00:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Duals??

In a message dated 97-05-22 08:22:48 EDT, you write:

<< I believe the law against removing factory-installed catalytic converters
is
 a Federal one, so it applies regardless of what state you're in.

 So, all you need to do is find a mechanic who's also part of a splinter
 separatist group, and have him do the work on their compound...
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
 Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918 >>

Got any good leads for us?   :)

Chris Ruper

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:05:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Rims for an 85?

chips4@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
> Hi.  This is Dave owner of a 1985 olds 442.  I just had my car
> repainted and it looks great except for one rim which I am sorry to say
> is pretty rusted.  I have been looking for a replacement since I got the
> car.  Does anyone know if rechroming the rim is a good idea, or is it
> too expensive, or maybe it just does not come out that well.
>         If I could just find some rims (with the original 442 emblem on the
> center cap) I would buy a whole new set if they were in mint or close to
> mint condition I had one good offer a couple of years back 4 rims mint
> condition $450 I knew it was a great deal but I just did not have the
> cash at the time and they sold before I could get the money.  So if
> anyone can help me out I would appreciate it very much.
>
>                                                 Dave
>                                                 85 442

Check the Hurst Olds club of America ads.  I thought I remembered seeing
one there for a 442, $125.00.  www.hurstolds.com

Also, check out www.eauto.com    I think I saw an ad in the Oldsmobile
stuff that had a 442 rim and Eagle GT with 1K mi. for $100. (dang good
deal)

I already have a complete set of NOS wheels and caps, otherwise I would
jump on those like a fly on sh......

Good Luck,

Mike Rothe

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:17:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket (air/cleaner)

> >Maybe I was born stupid, then, but I thought I'd heard somewhere that
> >there really was a Rocket engine, per se, that was different.  If not,
> >someone clear me up so I don't go around being ignorant anymore!!!
> >
>  I thought so too. The air cleaner on my 80 and 75 Olds say "Oldsmobile 350"
> while the air cleaner emblem on a 72 I have at the yard says "Oldsmobile
> Rocket 350"...hmmmm

The word "Rocket" on the air/cleaner decals was dropped in 1973, except
for, (and I'm 99% sure) the '73, '74 and '75 H/O's were the ONLY ones that
said "Rocket" on them.
                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)  OCAª 4903

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 13:41:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

The younger generation?  I've had plenty of trouble telling 40yr olds
that olds pontiac and buick each built their own different engines. I've
even had people argue with me that olds engines are identical to chevys.

> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme

I'm with you on that one. I can't tell you how many times I've heard -
its all GM. Its all the same thing. From the older generation.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:24:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil discrepancies....

Matthew Mayer wrote:
>
> Therein lies the mystery, I am changing the filter as well, but am
> reading full with only four quarts in the engine...
>
Did you use a different filter perhaps?  There are two different AC
filters that will fit your Olds, I can't remember the number but there's
the stock skinny one, which might hold 1/2 a quart, and a fatter one
that holds closer to a quart.  I use the fatter one on my 307, it's
intended for the older cars but fits just fine.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:32:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> >>"You got one of them 442 cubic inch motors in it, or just a 396?"
> >
>
>          < < < S N I P > > >
>
> My most heard comment is "Uh, where's the rest of it?"  Someday my cars will
> be ~all~ together!!! (I hope...)
>
>
I got a good one at the tire store Tuesday, from a guy with a beautiful
440 Challenger.  He insisted that my car ('84 H/O) _had_ to have a turbo
since it has "a bump on the hood", and that I couldn't have a 307 since
they stopped making them in the early 70's, it was a 305.  He just
couldn't comprehend an "Olds block".

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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From: Brian_D'Andrea@ccmail.gmt.saic.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:11:16 -0300
Subject: Car for Sale

     I have a 1996 Olds 88 Convertible for sale.  It is in very good
     condition and I have had a lot of work done on it.

     Is there a direct, electronic way to directly address Olds Chapters in
     the Northern Virginia area?

     VBD

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:30:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

At 06:27 AM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>What I don't understand is why is mine 7?  Most of the e-mail I have
>read have indicated that people have 15.  Is this because of a recovery
>bottle?

The factory, non-recovery systems often run aroud 14-16psi caps. As someone
else noted, your cap is probably non-standard. You probably have a leak in
the system at around 10-12psi, so a former owner installed a 7psi cap:
Problem Solved! ;)

Seriously, I'd have the system pressure tested to see where the leak is,
repair it, put a factory-rated cap on (15psi, I'd bet), and add a coolant
overflow tank, either aftermarket or adapt a factory system. I'm glad I did
this to my '69 455; adds about 10-15% more coolant, and makes your whole
system run cooler (the car's system, I mean).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:30:10 -0300
Subject: Re: news stand

At 12:36 AM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Where do i get muscle car review? I have not seen it at news stands here
>. I live in Tennessee.

They have a web-page, but I don't have the address (I think they're off the
Olds' page's links; at least that's one route I found them). Their
subscription is about $12/year, but realize that they only publish a new
issue every-other month, so that's only six issues. Still cheaper than
newstand, though.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:36:56 -0300
Subject: Wanted....tires !

Does anyone out there have any good used Goodyear Eagle GT's P215-65 R15
RWL tires, maybe a set of good pull's. Especially you late model 80's GM
owners, if you changed from the factory GT's and still have them around
I could use a good spare set for my 1983 H/O show car. Gotta keep it
original, ya know !

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 4/30/97)

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From: SPotter596@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:34:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

i just ordered basket weave headliner from acme 800-288-6078 they take a
styleªfrom the fire wall and recreate it from detroit specs. if they dont do
other than liners, they can steer you i bet.Steve 65 f-85

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:38:55 -0300
Subject: Re: 442 + 425 = 0?

>I always thought that General Motors was VERY strict about the 400 cubic
>limit in A-bodies.  The only rule breakers that I ever heard of was the
>Buick 401 in '65 and '66 GS cars and Pontiac and Chevy breaking the "NO
>Multi-Carb Rule" in '67.  I guess Olds was the only obedient division on
>the multi carb rule when they didn't offer the Tri-Carb option in '67.
The way I understand it, GM didn't allow any multiple carb applications
after 66, EXCEPT for the corvette.  What Pontiac are you referring to?


<snip of some info>

>Another one that cracks me up is the Rallye 350 owner who claims that it
>came from the factory with a W-31 motor.  Yep...Seen 'em.....But sorry
>folks....Not one Rally 350 car was sold to the public with this set up. I
>know I will start a war here, but talk to OHS. One thing odd
though.....The
>two Rallyes I owned years ago did have the huge harmonic balancers on
them.
>I think it was because of the OAI option on the 350.  Any one care to
>comment on this?
Thick balancers.  Interesting.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:38:42 -0300
Subject: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

Speaking of Ram Air hoods, I was wondering how do I tell the differences
between a repro and the real mccoy?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback



At 12:37 AM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Can anyone recommend a source for hood hinges for the W30 fiberglass hood?
>My car is a '71. Would the 70-72 be exactly the same?  Thanks.
>
>
        If you have an original hood you use the same springs as the
standard hood. If you have a reproduction one then Year One offers the
light
wweight springs to use with these.
Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: SPotter596@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:41:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Ordering "Original" Upholstery?

i printed suppliers from the home page and found aª including original auto
interiors out of columbus 810-727-2486

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:57:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Car for Sale

At 04:11 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>     I have a 1996 Olds 88 Convertible for sale.  It is in very good
>     condition and I have had a lot of work done on it.
>
>     Is there a direct, electronic way to directly address Olds Chapters in
>     the Northern Virginia area?
>
>     VBD


I didn't know that Olds made a convertible version of the 88 for 1996.  Is
yours a conversion of some sort?


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

------------------------------

From: Brian_D'Andrea@ccmail.gmt.saic.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:53:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Car for Sale

     Lets try this again:

     I have a 1969 (not 1996) Olds 88 Convertible for sale.  It is in
     very good condition and I have had a lot of work done on it.

     Is there a direct, electronic way to directly address Olds Chapters in
     the Northern Virginia area?

     VBD



------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 06:33:49 -0300
Subject: `67CS questions

I've got about half of my `67 Cutlass supreme primered now, and I thought
I'd post some questions about trim removal since there's a few pieces left
on the car that I haven't been able to remove because I can't figure out how.


C/S badges:  The ones located just behind the side windows on the pilar.
Well I guess you can't really call it a pillar, but that's the best term I
can think of for it.  What do they call that part on a hardtop car?  Anyways
I took out the courtesy lights and I can see the posts coming though the
sheetmetal but there's no nuts on them.  There's a little tab on the posts,
does removing the badges have something to do with that tab?

Gutter trim:  Is there any way to remove it?

Windshield trim:  What's the best way to remove it without bending it up?

I'm also having trouble with the keys.  Which one fits the door locks, the
ignition or the trunk key?  The locks haven't been used in so long they've
gotten awfully stiff, neither key will turn them.  I though I'd better find
out exaclty which key is meant for them.

Thanks a bunch.

Greg Pruett
`67 Cutlass Supreme
`72 Vista-Cruiser

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 06:41:43 -0300
Subject: `48 Olds for sale in VA

I spotted this ad in a local trading post.  I don't know the guy or have any
idea what the car looks like.  It's probably located in southwest Virginia
in the Roanoke City area.

48 Oldsmobile coupe  (rocket 88 motor)
Automatic transmission, runs-drives-looks great
Asking $4295, trades considered
(540) 563-1705 or (540) 563-0466



I'll go have a look at it for someone if they are seriously interested and
if the car isn't too far away.  (wouldn't mind seeing it, actually)

Greg Pruett
`67 Cutlass Supreme
`72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

From: "Jim & Tina R." <rabid@cybrzn.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 16:38:37 -0300
Subject: RE: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

The reproduction hoods are made completely of fiberglass (including the =
bracing on the underside). The original is constructed of the fiberglass =
hood being attatched to metal bracing on the underside. That's the =
reason you can't use original springs on the reproductions, they aren't =
rigid enough.=20

Jim Rabideau
70 W30

- ----------
From:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca[SMTP:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca]
Sent:  Thursday, May 22, 1997 2:32 PM
To:  Rabid
Subject:  Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

Speaking of Ram Air hoods, I was wondering how do I tell the differences
between a repro and the real mccoy?

Chris Smetana

------------------------------

From: Brian_D'Andrea@ccmail.gmt.saic.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:10:36 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Car for Sale

     No...I suffered a hand eye coordination problem!  I really have a 1969
     Delta 88 (not 1996) convertible.  Its for sale...Any interest?


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Car for Sale Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    5/22/97 3:51 PM


At 04:11 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>     I have a 1996 Olds 88 Convertible for sale.  It is in very good
>     condition and I have had a lot of work done on it.
>
>     Is there a direct, electronic way to directly address Olds Chapters in
>     the Northern Virginia area?
>
>     VBD


I didn't know that Olds made a convertible version of the 88 for 1996.  Is
yours a conversion of some sort?


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************


------------------------------

From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:03:53 -0300
Subject: Re: `67CS questions

> I've got about half of my `67 Cutlass supreme primered now, and I thought
> I'd post some questions about trim removal since there's a few pieces left
> on the car that I haven't been able to remove because I can't figure out
how. OK, Shoot :)

> C/S badges:  The ones located just behind the side windows on the pilar.

Dunno, don't have pillars.

> Gutter trim:  Is there any way to remove it?

Dunno, don't have gutters -- though I've been accused of being in them often
:)

> Windshield trim:  What's the best way to remove it without bending it up?

I've heard that *gentle* prying with a putty knife'll work, and I have a nice
set I recently picked up that I wanna install sometime, will have to try soon.

> I'm also having trouble with the keys.  Which one fits the door locks, the
> ignition or the trunk key?  The locks haven't been used in so long they've
> gotten awfully stiff, neither key will turn them.  I though I'd better find
> out exaclty which key is meant for them.

THIS one I can answer!  I think.  I haven't locked the doors in a while
(my pet Rather-They-Take-What-They-Want-Than-Rip-The-Convertible-Roof-
Then-Take-It theory), but I believe the square key does only the ignition,
the round one everything else.

> Thanks a bunch.

Yer welcome a heap.

> Greg Pruett
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
> `72 Vista-Cruiser



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 04:16:31 -0300
Subject: Multiple Carbs

>The way I understand it, GM didn't allow any multiple carb applications
>after 66, EXCEPT for the corvette.  What Pontiac are you referring to?

Chris --

I am no Pontiac expert,  but my neighbor has a '67 Grand Prix convert with
a 428
Tri Power motor that he claims is original.  Maybe it is another one of
these "Factory was short on correct engine" cars!  :)  It also has a
4-speed trans.  Pretty cool set up for a big car.

>Thick balancers.  Interesting.

W-31 balancers are HUGE compared to regular 350 and 455 balancers.  Don't
ask me why-- they just are.


Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:22:48 -0300
Subject: What speeds

Hi all,

Before I forget, what MPH can I go in each gear for that 82 Delta Royale
I have.  It is a four speed (PRND321) automatic.  I don't have a tach
so RPMs won't help.

Thanks
Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

------------------------------

From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:36:00 -0300
Subject: 350 cubic inch recipe ?

Here is a question for anyone who has rebuilt an Olds engine (particularly a
350):

I am about to start ordering rebuild items for my '69 350, and am slightly
overwhelmed at all that is available.  I recently picked up a Edelbrock 635
carb, and I still need a 4bbl manifold, and all new 350 internal components.
 I see kits everywhere, but I know that many of the components in them are
ones that I plan on replacing with high performance parts.  I don't want to
buy the kit and then go out and buy double when I get the high performance
items.  I'm sure many of you have done this, and my question is:

What is the recipe for building a strong  slightly modified high performance
350?

This will be more of a cruising vehicle, but I definitely must have plenty
'o PUNCH when one of those blasted F@RDs pull up next to me ;-)

Thanks a bunch,

  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
 Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@Prodigy.Net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:39:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

Chris R. Smetana wrote:
>
> Speaking of Ram Air hoods, I was wondering how do I tell the differences
> between a repro and the real mccoy?
>
First of all, the sure-fire way to tell is that you have an original
hood is that it is HEAVY!  The top-skin ,of course, is fiberglass, but
the under-frame is steel.  It will also have provisions for the hood
latch and safety catch as well.  The repros normally are ALL fiberglass,
and most (as far as I know) don't have provisions for the normal hood
latch assembly.

Hope this helps,

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: Robert and Susan Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 17:42:10 -0300
Subject: 71' 442 asking again

Looking for any info on 71' 442 books,manuals etc.

Collecting pictures of all 442's send to rcolombo@sonic.net

Are there any olds clubs near Petaluma Calif.(50 miles north of San
Francisco)?

Can someone let me know if my questions were received?

Answers appreciated.

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:03:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Chrome SSIII's & Sidney MT

At 09:13 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Charley Buehner wrote:
>>
>>
>> Did these ever have trim rings on 'em, anyone know???  Two of mine are
>> peeling and rusted, and trim rings would cover it up fine, but I think it'd
>> look kinda tacky.  Especially when the rust is kinda tough to see, unless
>> it's at a show...
>>
>>
>>              Charley Buehner
>Charley,
>
>Watch out using those trim rings as they will scratch the chrome so that
>you will always have to use them.  They should look ok though.  Chrysler
>& Oldsmobile have used chroome centers w/painted rims that required the
>trim rings.

Yeah, I don't think the peeling is bad enough to warrant rings, yet.  But if
it gets worse later, I may give 'em those bandaids.  Since the chrome's all
peeled back, the scratches probably wouldn't be a major issue;)  Eventually,
I'd need to have 'em rechromed, I suppose, to fix 'em right, and the
scratches could probably be sanded out, or might even be coverred just fine...

>PS.  How much is Montana paying you to get out of state?  Did you take
>bids?  Which state is losing....er.....are you moving to?

Actually, I'll still be in Montana (Sidney).  Just on the edge of it though.
Can't be more than 10 miles from the ND border.  Roughly 50 from Williston ND.

I seem to recall someone here posting a need for a 1954 license plate from
the Sidney area (I think that was it, anyway)  I can't find the post for it,
but whoever you are, I'll keep my eyes open while I'm there.



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:23:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Rims for an 85?

At 04:32 PM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi.  This is Dave owner of a 1985 olds 442.  I just had my car
>repainted and it looks great except for one rim which I am sorry to say
>is pretty rusted.  I have been looking for a replacement since I got the
>car.  Does anyone know if rechroming the rim is a good idea, or is it
>too expensive, or maybe it just does not come out that well.
>If I could just find some rims (with the original 442 emblem on the
>center cap) I would buy a whole new set if they were in mint or close to
>mint condition I had one good offer a couple of years back 4 rims mint
>condition $450 I knew it was a great deal but I just did not have the
>cash at the time and they sold before I could get the money.  So if
>anyone can help me out I would appreciate it very much.
>

Hmm.  There's quite a bit of action on ~this~ type of thread now :)  You
might try what I was considerring (on a last ditch effort).  These things
seem to pit and peel towards the outer extremeties, where some yahoos like
to slam wheel weights on (Haven't they ever heard of adhesive weights!!!???)
We figure a nice 15" Olds trim ring would cover all this crap up, and still
look fairly decent, but it would scratch up ~all~ of the other wheels
involved.  Mine are peeling noticably, but I don't think it's bad enough to
warrant any further action on my part, since they look so much better than
those spokes did to start with!!!  (And, the car isn't quite a show car
yet...  But give me a few winning lottery tickets and I can fix that!:)

On a similar note, I got this mailed to me today, it might be of interest
here:

On a side note, a buddy of mine with an '86 Calais bought a set NEW from
Olds.  He has gone thourgh the entire stock in the midwest warehouse
trying to find ones that aren't ALREADY pitted!  They aren't bad to look
at, but he says you can feel the roughness where the pitting is
beginning.  You would have thought that sitting in a nice, dry warehouse,
they wouldn't have these problems.   The other interesting thing he told
me is that he was told, "If you can't find a good set, we could probably
have some new ones made" !!  (He has a good friend at the Olds dealer,
so they take real good care of him...)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:20:28 -0300
Subject: Re: What speeds

At 04:22 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Before I forget, what MPH can I go in each gear for that 82 Delta Royale
>I have.  It is a four speed (PRND321) automatic.  I don't have a tach
>so RPMs won't help.

What exactly do you mean? How _safe_ can you go in each gear, or how much
can you _possibly_ go in each gear?

In either case, the governor in the transmission is supposed to force an
upshift at a certain rpm, which is usually (when everything is working
right) below the engine speed at which you start needing a new engine. So
unless it *never* shifts at wide-open throttle, just keep your foot in it
and see how fast it goes!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:31:42 -0300
Subject: Re: This is hilarious (was: Defoggers (was: Overheating))

> [Several members of the audience are now overcome with emotion and are
> being carried out on stretchers. Mike finally gets his door open again, and,
> forgetting that the car is up on jackstands, tumbles out the door.
>Recovering
> nicely, he dusts himself off and totters back up to the podium...]
>
> >    66 Toro
> >The /\   /\ and Mike
>
> We await further comment.
>
> Andrew C. Green >>
>
>I don't know about everyone else, but these two are just killing me....
> ROTFLMAO.
>

I have to agree.  I can't think of a better way to waste bandwidth.  This
saga is just ~too~ good!

By the way, Andy.  If you bump into Ben ??? on that Pontiac list (He's
looking for a GTO, ya know...) ya might inquire about his 442???  If you buy
that, you can drive it backwards and come join us on the Toro list ;)  Ben,
are the mirrors OK in that thing?  Does it have tinted windows?

Gotta come to Andy's defense, though, 'cuz I'm sure I'd have the entire PETA
group jumping my case if I ever caught someone's dog marking my tires...  I
have to hold back when my cats climb on the hood!

Awaiting in awe....  Who's next?  ;)





             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: KRAUSE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:33:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Car apprasials - auto insurance /Daren response

I need to cancel myself from the mail list.
As I have to go away for a while.
Please instruct me so that my E-mail
does not pile up!!!!!!
                               Greatly appreciated!!!


                               KRAUSE@aol.com

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:31:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 cubic inch recipe ?

At 04:36 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am about to start ordering rebuild items for my '69 350, and am slightly
>overwhelmed at all that is available.  I recently picked up a Edelbrock 635
>carb, and I still need a 4bbl manifold, and all new 350 internal components.
> I see kits everywhere, but I know that many of the components in them are
>ones that I plan on replacing with high performance parts.  I don't want to
>buy the kit and then go out and buy double when I get the high performance
>items.  I'm sure many of you have done this, and my question is:

Some places will let you substitute high-performance parts for the
factory-equipment parts, for an additional charge (such as PAW and PST). I
went this way with my rebuild kit for my 403 from PST; $100 extra for forged
pistons, $40 for a performance camshaft, $15 for a high-volume oil pump, etc.

PST's prices are competetive, but also check out Mondello's kits. His kits
include a lot of the good pieces that I would end up buying to replace the
standard parts in the PST kit (such as the neoprene rear seal), and for the
more popular 350 and 455 kits, his prices are competetive (i.e. forged
piston 455 kit for $500)

>What is the recipe for building a strong  slightly modified high performance
>350?

SHORT BLOCK:
*Forged 10.25:1 pistons
*403 rods w/ARP rod bolts
*Forged 330 crank, if you've got one lying around; otherwise, the nodular
iron crank in your '69 350 would do just as well.
*Windage tray and 6-quart oil pan from Toronado

HEADS:
*Your ª5 heads are an excellent starting point; add hardened valve seats if
you're going to be doing a lot of towing.
*2.00" intake valves, 1.62" exhaust valves
*Mild porting

Valvetrain:
*JM18-20 cam from Mondello
*Stock-style valvetrain; use longer pushrods and shims to get proper
preload, if necessary
*Get a true roller timing chain, and by all means, DEGREE IN THAT CAM!

INDUCTION:
*Performer 350 intake, or stock iron pre-EGR (Extra Greasy Rods?) intake, if
you're running out of money.

Make sure all the oil can drain back freely. This should be a good starting
point. I'm sure others will have lots to add.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:44:40 -0300
Subject: Olds Show in Indy!

This weekend!! May 24, hosted by the Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes "OCC" 73-77
and the Indiana Oldsmobile Club. The show is in Crawfordsville IN  at the
Holiday Inn on State road 231 off of interstate 74. IF you have ant questions
call Jim Pedigo 317-676-9800
registration is from 9-11am  , fee is $12
open to all Oldsmobiles!!!

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:47:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Multiple Carbs

Tony,
Has your neighbor heard of Pontiac Historical Services.  (Didn't we discuss
this here recently)  They would have a copy of the original build sheet for
his car.  I'm guessing it's not original, at least the tri-power setup, the
engine probably is, but what do I know.  I do know the tri-power in the
goat ended after 66, went to the 400HO in 67, and the 421 could be had with
mutiple carbs but the 421 stopped after 66 also.


I know W-31 balances are huge, I have a picture of a regular 350 balancer
and a W-31 next to each other from a book. (442 and W-Machine restoration
guide)  I used the book as a guide, since that is what it is - a guide,
when I was checking out the W-31 that I purchased last July.  I just find
it interesting that the W-31 balancer was on the 'regular 350' (as opposed
to a W-31 motor) in both of the Ralley 350's someone used to own.

>>The way I understand it, GM didn't allow any multiple carb applications
>>after 66, EXCEPT for the corvette.  What Pontiac are you referring to?
>I am no Pontiac expert,  but my neighbor has a '67 Grand Prix convert with
>a 428
>Tri Power motor that he claims is original.  Maybe it is another one of
>these "Factory was short on correct engine" cars!  :)  It also has a
>4-speed trans.  Pretty cool set up for a big car.
>>Thick balancers.  Interesting.
>W-31 balancers are HUGE compared to regular 350 and 455 balancers.  Don't
>ask me why-- they just are.
Why? - just kidding :)  I think in the previously mentioned book it
explained why.

>Tony
>70 442 W-30
>70 Toro GT W-34
>65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
>85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
>92 Seville STS

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute,IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:56:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Greg Pruett wrote:
>
> >What about freinds that when seeing a Chevª$%le or GT@ say oh look its just
> >like yours.
> >
> >And dont even try explaining to the younger generation that the different
> >car companies
> >actually made their own engines.They all think that all cars had Chª$y
> >engines in them
> >like todays generic cars.UGHHH.
>
> The younger generation?  I've had plenty of trouble telling 40yr olds that
> olds pontiac and buick each built their own different engines.  I've even
> had people argue with me that olds engines are identical to chevys.
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
I called the local junk yard looking for small block olds heads, The guy
there (Hank Seward the owner) said "well all olds v8's are big blocks
and no I've never had any."  I laughed and hung up.
another good one, My friends 71 nova has "350" emlems on the fenders
(and they're very noticable , and everyone that looks at it says "what
size engine ya got?"
Marty
68 442

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From: Jay Britt <jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:53:16 -0300
Subject: Re: `67CS questions

Greg Pruett wrote:
>
> I've got about half of my `67 Cutlass supreme primered now, and I thought
> I'd post some questions about trim removal since there's a few pieces left
> on the car that I haven't been able to remove because I can't figure out
how.

Hey Greg,
Sounds like your at about the same stage with your '67 C/S as I am!

> C/S badges:  The ones located just behind the side windows on the pilar.
> Well I guess you can't really call it a pillar, but that's the best term I
> can think of for it.  What do they call that part on a hardtop car?  Anyways
> I took out the courtesy lights and I can see the posts coming though the
> sheetmetal but there's no nuts on them.  There's a little tab on the posts,
> does removing the badges have something to do with that tab?

I know exactly what you mean, mine were snapped off before I got the
car, when the vinyl top was dyed. I'm probably going to fill the holes,
then glue the new emblems (or old ones) back on the new vinyl top. I
guess that doesn't help you get yours off :-)

> Gutter trim:  Is there any way to remove it?
Still working on that, I'll be checking the replys from someone who has
done this.

> Windshield trim:  What's the best way to remove it without bending it up?
I used a tool from the autoparts store, its designed for removing the
reveal mouldings. It has a handle attached to a wide, flat piece on
metal with two hooks on the end. It had a pretty decent set of
instructions on the back.

> I'm also having trouble with the keys.  Which one fits the door locks, the
> ignition or the trunk key?  The locks haven't been used in so long they've
> gotten awfully stiff, neither key will turn them.  I though I'd better find
> out exaclty which key is meant for them.

The key with the smooth, round top is for the trunk, the key with the
notches fits the ignition.
Hope this helps, you should get plenty of responses back on this from
more experienced Olds folks.

Good Luck,
Jay Britt
'67 Cutlass Supreme


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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 19:55:15 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: `67CS questions


> I've got about half of my `67 Cutlass supreme primered now, and I thought
> I'd post some questions about trim removal since there's a few pieces left
> on the car that I haven't been able to remove because I can't figure out
how. > C/S badges:  The ones located just behind the side windows on the
pilar.

     I'm willing to bet that you need to remove the inside upholstery trim
     panel (which means removing the back seat) to access the nuts.  Before
     you go that far, however, try reaching up from inside the trunk.

> Gutter trim:  Is there any way to remove it?

     Use an old-fashioned bottle opener.  Seriously.

> Windshield trim:  What's the best way to remove it without bending it up?

     Don't even think about trying this without the proper trim removal
     tool.  K&D and others sell this.  Most auto parts stores sell this
     tool (_real_ auto parts stores, not Trak Auto...'course, they _do_
     sell window tint installation kits!).

> I'm also having trouble with the keys.  Which one fits the door locks, the
> ignition or the trunk key?  The locks haven't been used in so long they've
> gotten awfully stiff, neither key will turn them.  I though I'd better find
> out exactly which key is meant for them.

     In the 60s, the ignition (square or octagonal) key also works the
     doors.  The round key works the trunk and glove box/console.  The
     grooves on the sides of the two keys should be different, so only one
     will fit in the door locks.  Be careful though, I've had cars where
     the ignition switch had been replaced, which of course then uses a
     different key than the doors (keep in mind that this is prior to
     column-mounted switches, where the lock cylinder is separate from the
     switch).  Before you beat on the locks, though, liberally apply WD-40
     into the lock cylinder.  In fact, you may want to remove the lock
     cylinder from the door entirely (need to remove the interior panels,
     naturally) and soak it overnight in WD-40 or something similar.

> Thanks a bunch.

     No prob.  Hope this helps.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




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