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oldsmobile-digest          Saturday, 24 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 691

RE: '63 Olds convertible
Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)
W-32 section; WAS: the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re[2]: '63 Olds convertible
Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Hedders/442
My 425 engine :)
Re: Hood adjustment
Re: WTB:  56 Olds Fiesta Spinners
Re: Looking for Owners manuals
Re: Calling out for 50's owners
Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re[2]: Unbounce: Cam Walking
Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)
Vac. hook-ups, ect.
Re: Yellow interior
Re: Chevy Quality
Re: news stand
Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.
Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.
Re: LD Title Transfers?
Re: My 425 engine :)
Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.
Olds for sale
Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.
Re: Hedders/442
block identity?
Re: ADMIN: was Re: 71' 442 asking again
Re: Hedders/442
block identity?
Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.
Date:Fri, 23 May 1997 23:02:43 -0300
Re: 81 year old 4-4-2 owner
Re: LD Title Transfers?
Re: Hey
Re: Dual conversion exhaust:
Re:
Re: Hood adjustment
Re: Dual conversion exhaust:
Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
45 degree 425ci block, was 307's Roller Cam
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods\ASC&P??
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Re Yellow interior
Piston Bore Data
Re: speedo cable lube
Subscription
Re: Piston Bore Data
Re: block identity?

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:24:17 -0300
Subject: RE: '63 Olds convertible

I sent this out already so I dont know if you are interrested or not. =
Just in case you missed it here it is:

Here is a good buy for someone. This is from: =
http://www.classifieds2000.com


                 1967, Oldsmobile=A0Delta 88, 120K miles, $3,600 firm

                   Options
                                  Light Blue exterior, Light Blue =
interior
                                  Air Conditioning
                                  Classic Car
                                  Two Door
                                  Automatic Transmission

                   Description
 Verrry Cherry Great looking & running car 2 Door, White Hardtop, Bucket =
Seats, Console Shift. THIS CAR WAS TAKEN CARE OF.........A RARE
 FIND IN THIS CONDITION!!

                   Seller Info
                                  For sale by private party

                                  (904) 478-4722 [Day]

                                  (904) 941-0574 [Eve]

                                  brink@pen.net

                                  Pensacola, Florida 32503

                   Post Date
                                  20-MAY-97


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the......Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Fri, May 23, 1997 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: '63 Olds convertible
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

     I have a '69 Delta 88 in very good condition in Norhtern Virginia.
     Any interest?


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Subject: '63 Olds convertible
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
Date:    5/23/97 11:26 AM


  I used to own a '63 Olds Dynamic 88 convertible and have regretted ever
selling it.  Does anyone have either an 88 or a 98 in above average
condition to sell?  Midwest (Indiana, Illinoi, Michigan, Ohio) is =
preferable.





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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:09:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> =

> Slowly, Checkers advanced. Mike tugged desperately on the door =

> handle...


The dog on his hood certainly had unusual markings.  It appeared to be =

blue with rust-red patches.  Strange.  And marks on his back looked =

suspiciously like T-tops.  Unable to contain his curiosity any longer, =

Mike reached out and touched the dog on the head.  Using the Toronado =

Mind-Meld, Mike was able to uncover the true story of Checkers...

[Monitor gets wavy as we flashback]

When Checkers was still a Cutlass, Andy had sold him to a guy in Kansas. =

But Checkers had never made it as far as Kansas.  He was resold instead =

to a secret General Motors research lab (known only to Scully, Mulder, =

Skinner, and the Smoking Man) where he suffered greatly at the hands of =

the labs infamous director, Dr. Mark Eting Weenie.  =


Dr. Weenie removed all traces of Oldsmobile from poor Checkers and stuck =

silly-looking chicken-track medallions all over him.  The doctor even =

performed the most illegal of all transplant operation: installing a =

Chevy 350!  =


Oh, the shame The SHAME!  The humanity!!!  =

(Oops.  Sorry.  Back to the flashback...)

After he finally through with Checkers, the evil Dr. Weenie sent him off =

to the crusher and Oldsmobile heaven.  Without any remorse for his =

heinous deeds, the doctor returned to his lab to work on his latest =

project, a new death-ray that will dissolve 442 logos at great distance.

[Switch scene to clouds.  Background harp =

  music playing =93The Theme to Mannix]

When Checkers reached the gates of heaven, he was shocked to be met my =

Saint R.E. Olds.  St. Olds looked very powerful in his shining Hurst robe =

of gold but he had a kindly face.

=93You time has not yet come, little one!=94, said the saint.  =93I=92ll ha=
ve to =

return you to earth.  But I won=92t be able to send you back as a Cutlass. =

It=92s against the rules.  So how=92s about a nice puppy dog?  I can let yo=
u =

have this nifty cape, if you want.=94  =


=93Better than a Ford!=92 exclaimed Checkers.

=93That=92s for when we send you to hell, Checkers=94 said the saint gravel=
y.

[Monitor wavies back to the present]

Mike breaks the mind-meld and sits back.  He finally understands how =

Checkers the Cutlass became Checkers the Dog. He had not died in the =

tragic squeegee accident, as SOME would have us believe, but at the hands =

of Dr. Weenie!

Mike scribbles off a complaint to PETO on the spot.  Also sends one to =

PETA just in case there some law against turning Cutlasses into dogs.

[Mike puts his copy "Soap 'n' Squeegee" down and returns to the problem =

at hand.  The Andy statue=92s interfering with the azaleas is the least of =

his problems.  The statute is a 20 foot body topped by a 100 foot head.  =

It keeps falling over.  Much like its namesake.]

[Voice-over]

Today, if you look real hard, you will still find Checkers roaming the =

streets of Florida in search of Pontiacs, lifting his leg in a salute to =

his former owner.

    66 Toro =

The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:36:48 -0300
Subject: W-32 section; WAS: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

Curt Salada,
Bob Barry,
Jim Chermack,

Could you guys verify the information in the FAQ on the W-32 cars? Add any
needed info as well. Let me know (send me a private e-mail) and I'll send you
the latest I've got.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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From: Brian_D'Andrea@ccmail.GMT.SAIC.COM
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:57:22 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: '63 Olds convertible

     Shooting for $5500.00.

     I have done lots of work to it.  The roof is in good shape, paint is a
     year old, new ball joints/adler arm/brakes/master cylinder/exhaust
     sys/tires, rebuilt carb, etc.  Runs GREAT, Looks GREAT!  If you want
     more details let me know.

     It needs someone to put the last effort into it to get it to 100%.
     Family getting bigger so hobbies and toys getting smaller.


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     Subject: Re: '63 Olds convertible
     Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
     Date:    5/23/97 1:37 PM


     how much?


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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:38:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)

>> Slowly, Checkers advanced. Mike tugged desperately on the door
>> handle...
[...]
>Mike breaks the mind-meld and sits back.  He finally understands how
>Checkers the Cutlass became Checkers the Dog. He had not died in the
>tragic squeegee accident, as SOME would have us believe, but at the hands
>of Dr. Weenie!

Mike's striking resemblence to Dr. Weenie was his downfall: the subject of
a mind-meld remembers nothing afterwards; the only thing Checkers knew for
sure was that he had found the evil doctor at last.

The door handle, like the window control, didn't work. The window was
open just enough for Checkers to get in. Mike was trapped.

He flipped on the wipers; amazingly, they worked. Checkers, momentarily
thwarted, tried to attack as the wiper swept back and forth:

Bark!...

...Bark!

Bark!...

...Bark!

Bark!...

...Bark!

Mike pressed the washer button, spraying the dog with washer fluid.
Undaunted, Checkers continued the attack. "Blast," thought Mike. "So
that's why he wears goggles."

Gradually a slippery puddle of washer fluid began to accumulate under
the dog. Checkers continued to bark, slipping occasionally. Finally,
with one last BARK!, all traction was lost and the dog, paws scrabbling
madly on the slippery hood, shot backwards off the nose of the car,
landing on a heap of discarded "Soap 'n' Squeegee" magazines. At that
instant, Mike dove out the passenger's door and slammed the door of the
garage behind him.

It would be a long weekend.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:58:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

Hi there Jim! I was wondering, I am a fellow '70 CS owner, but my car
is a 4door rod instead of the 2door.  The standard 2door Hood should
fit my car correct? Also, do you think the fiberglass Ram-Air hood
would make a difference in performance?  I'd like it just for looks,
but I have an open element air cleaner on my 425.  I was just
wondering if it would do anything?  Will the stock springs hold the
hood, or will they crack it?  I appreciate any help I can get Thanks
:)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: Richard <raf@cmpu.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:07:02 -0300
Subject: Hedders/442

Hello all:

My dilemma....I gotta '69 442 w/455 it has hedders on it now, their
rusted and they leak(big suprize).  Clearance is very tight..I need to
relocate brake distribution valve....and right control arm has maybe 3/8
of a inch of clearance. (I finally had car aligned after completely
rebuilding the suspension.)

I've been considering two options:
1.  Replace with stock exhaust manifolds (safe way)
2.  Replace with Hooker ceramic coated hedders (:) performance!

I am seeking advice here.   I know each has good and bad points, but I
would appreciate some constructive critisim.

Too be Hedder, or not to be Hedder?  That is the Question!

Thanks all,
Richard Fuqua
'69/442

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From: "LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:32:30 -0300
Subject: My 425 engine :)

Greetings everyone-
   Thanks again for the reponse on the questions about my 425 engine
that died.  And special thanks to Joe Padavano for explaining to me in
'simple' <grin> terms about the well choke (Your explanation fit with my
level of expertise <chuckle>).  Anyway for those of you interested I
*won't* have to search for another 425 (or 455) block, mine is alive and
well, though a little beat up on the bottom.  So the word is that I broke a
rod and cracked (or otherwise broke) my crankshaft.  I should have it
back by next week for some fun <happy sigh>

   Now for something else (isn't there always), The thread on original
upolstry reminded me of something.  When I get around to working on the
interior of the car where should I look for that stiff 'screen' that covers
the back speakers and under the window?  Mine has been slightly
warped and discolored from a leak in the rear window, and when the
time comes that I can replace it, I was wondering if it is 'easily'
replacable, like upolstery, or if it calls for a junkyard search.....And
something else, I am hopeing to get some bodywork done, but all the places
around here are really parinoid about breaking either the front or rear window
when taking it out/putting it in (I don't know why though they tell me they
can't be held responsible for it)...anyway if by some horrible misfortune one
of the windows breaks, can a replacement be ordered through the local glass
company or, again, is it junk yard searching?

Thanks again for all the help.
Laura

66 Delta 88

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From: "C. Terrence Fletke" <fletke@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:40:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Hood adjustment

David Nye wrote:
>
> Hey Gang,
>         The other night I was scanning the mail and saw that someone asked
> about how to lower the back of the hood... did I miss a response? I'm
> having the same problem. Anybody got info on how to adjust it?
>                         TIA
>                                 David Nye
David

Did you ever get a response to this request? I could use the information
also.

Terry Fletke

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From: "C. Terrence Fletke" <fletke@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:28:18 -0300
Subject: Re: WTB:  56 Olds Fiesta Spinners

william goodnight wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any '56 Olds Fiesta Spinners?
>
>
> Bill Goodnight
> idaholc@primenet.com
> Boise, Idaho

Bill

The Spinners are available from Fusicks in Connecticut. The price is
$495 for the set. You can request a catalog. Fusicks specializes in Olds
replacement parts

Terry Fletke

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From: "C. Terrence Fletke" <fletke@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:47:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for Owners manuals

Monson wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone has or knows of actual owners manuals for older
> cars, like my '53 Super 88.  I have a shop manual and was wondering if
> there are just regular owners manuals similar to those used today.  Any
> info?
>
>                                                         Curious,
>                                                                 Youngin'
>                                                                 '53 Super 88

Try Al Sandy in New Jersey. He carries original manuals for various
years. Also Fusick carries reprints if your interested.

Terry Fletke

------------------------------

From: "C. Terrence Fletke" <fletke@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:35:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Calling out for 50's owners

william goodnight wrote:
>
> >I was just showing a friend my 50 88 when I discoverd an exhaust leak at
the > >header pipes.  Because the exhaust is new from the muffler back, I'd
love to > >find just the header pipes.  Fusick, and the other suppliers I've
done > >business with in the past list whole sysems, but not the seperate
pipes. > > > >Do any of you know of a source for these pipes?  The car has
single > >exhaust,but the header pipe is two seperate pipes. > > > >Sure would
appreciate any help!  Thanks > > > >Elephant Engine Ernie > > > >BigEJ@aol.com 
>
> > > > >Don't have an answer to your question, but I am curious about your
'50. > What model is it?  Stock or modified?  I have a '49 Club Coupe. > >
Bill Goodnight > idaholc@primenet.com > Boise, Idaho

Bill

I just purchased a 1956 super 88 holiday 4dr hardtop. The car was
restored by a previous owner who lived in Oregon. The car came with a
number of replacement parts and the documentation on the restoration
project. As a result, I have some reference information for Olds of the
50's. If you think I can helpwith anything, let me know.

Terry Fletke

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 20:48:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> Mike's striking resemblence to Dr. Weenie...

Do not!

> ...was his downfall:  At that instant, Mike dove out the passenger's
> door and slammed the door of the garage behind him.
>
> It would be a long weekend.

Mike stared at the once again fallen Andy statue in the front yard
pondering the sudden turn of events.  Suddenly, it came to him!  Ignoring
his neighbor's whining about the Andy statue crushing his Chevy, Mike
dashes into the house.  Frantically seaching through his computer
archives he finds what he wanted -- a GIF of Andy, Keith, and Bryce!

AH-HA!

Mike quickly places the computer on a set of roll-around jackstands and
pushs it out the door to the garage.  Listening at the door, he hears
nothing.  He slowly pushs the door open a crack and peers in.  Checkers
is sitting in the front seat of the Toro staring at the Route 66 poster
making motor noises.

"Geez, I coulda liked this dog!" Mike said to himself.

Ever so carefully, Mike opens the door wider until he can slip the
monitor in.  He lets the door go with a bang -- knowing it'll get
Checkers attention.

Bark!...

        ...Bark!

GROWL!

Ah!  He's seen the display of Andy.

GROWL!  GROWL!  BARK!  BARK!

Suddenly a crash!  Checkers must have attacked the image of his former
owner.  Mike can hear him trashing around as the monitor cable is ripped
from the computer and disappears through the crack.  He has just enough
time to jump behind Andy's fallen head when the door is blown off it's
hinges.

.
.
.

The smoke clears...

Mike peers into the garage.  Quiet.  No Checkers.  The monitor sits on
it's side in pieces.  Luckily the Toro's huge bumper had protected the
rest of the garage from the blast, forcing it outwards.  The Pontiac
across the street has melted.

"Well, the weekend may not be so bad after all!" he says to himself.
Turning around, he notices the Andy statue.  The blue and rust-red had
splattered all over it turning it purple.  It now has a remarkable
resemblence to Barney...

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:17:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

>* In about a dozen different forms: "They made front-wheel drive cars back
>then???"
>

One of my favorites for the Toros is this:  Hoods up...  Newcomer looks
in...  "I though you said this was front wheel drive..."


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:17:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

>----------
>> -"Throw out the anchor dude, you're docked."  (Said by a friend while I
>was
>> paralell parking.)
>
>Had a freind in high school that had a balck 73 98 and he carried a pair of
>big old trolling rods
> with small pirate flags tied to the line and would have them sticking out
>the back windows as he
>drove down the highway.


I'd always wanted to try this in my buddy's old Pont. Executive.  After
smoking whatever we happened to be racing (I ~really~ wanted to try it on
that Corvette we whipped!) I thought it'd be a nice little insult to stick a
fishing pole out the window and act like I'm trying to reel in the other
car.  (Great pastime while waiting for it to finish the quarter!)  Never
quite had the nerve to do it, though.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:17:31 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Unbounce: Cam Walking

Anyone have experience using a "torrington" bearing at the rear of the cam?
I see them advertised in Summit, etc.


David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
  You can also consider the rearward thrust of the cam produced by driving
the distributor gear which besides driving the distributor shaft is also
driving the oil pump.

 Glenn Connors
 '69 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:29:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)

At 01:54 PM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Received this apology from the picture-poster...
>>
>>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada >> >> >>---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>Date: Fri, 23 May
1997 07:13:12 -0300 >>From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com >>To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List >> >> I am very sorry the picture was
sent.   My oldest son was checking my mail > >[SNIP] > >[SNIFFLE] > >[HONK!!!] 
>
>Well, as I wipe my eyes, I am suddenly reminded of the gate keeper in the
>Wizard of Oz ;-) > >Can we just give him every other message for a month as
punisment ;-)

How about all the *me too* ones :)

I'm all for letting him back, but then again, I'm not on the digest, so I'm
really not affected by it.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 08:29:22 -0300
Subject: Vac. hook-ups, ect.

       Hi guys,  I have a few problems i need h*lp with, there are
two small vacuum hoses coming from inside my car thruogh the firewall, one
goes to th vac. canister on the firewall, the other who knows?  The other
prob. is what fac. color is the timing chain & water pump supposed to be
for 1970 Olds 442 455 is it blue like the rest of the motor?  Thanks in
advance to all.  Luke

------------------------------

From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:47:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Yellow interior

You write:

>let's set the record straight - in 67, "yellow" was a more pleasant-sounding
>"saffron" - with a saffron exterior it looked great, ideally without a vinyl
>top but with redlines.  With any other color, it looked, well, YELLOW!

Come on now!!!  That hurts!!  My 442 coupe has saffron interior with a black
exterior, and it looks really SAFFRON!!!   Sharp Saffron, if I do say so!

Elephant Engine Ernie

67-442
50- 88

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:44:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Chevy Quality

OL>At 09:30 PM 5/22/97 -0300, Jason Adcock wrote:
OL>>Hey, guys.  Today, a friend of mine at school said he blew the motor in
OL>>his 87 Monte SS.  Said the head gasket broke, allowing water into the
OL>>piston; it compressed, and bend a rod.  Now it sounds like he's taking a
OL>>hammer to the outside of the door when he drives away...

OL>Heh, my old 88 Iroc-Z had well over 160,000 and still ran well. Sisters 87
OL>Impala has 230,000 and runs well.  Now on the other hand, I blew a head
OL>gasket at the race track last weekend with my 24,000 mile 93 Z/28 ;-)
OL>Problem was attributed to the previous owner as he ran a 175 NOS kit on the
OL>block on a frequent basis. 175 is overkill on a stock LT1.  Anyways I went
OL>from fully ported heads to stock replacement ones now and with this will
OL>come slower e.t's
OL>- - - - - - - - - - -
OL>Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
OL>93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
OL>80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
OL>75 Hurst/Olds W-25....another slow as hell car that looks slow

A guy I work with wrecked his '86 Monte and instead of fixing it he is
going to buy another one. A used car lot by my house has one so I stop
to look at it for him. The odometer had 86,??? miles on it and the pads
on the pedals were worn pretty good so I figured it has 186,???. I asked
the sales man to see if he knew for sure and his response was "It's
86,??? besides Have you ever seen a Chevy last for 186,??? miles"

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:55:32 -0300
Subject: Re: news stand

OL>Where do i get muscle car review? I have not seen it at news stands here
OL>. I live in Tennessee.

Muscle Car Review
Subsciption Fulfilment Center
P.O. box 496
Mt. Morris,  Il.      61054-8007

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:23:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.

Hi Luke,

At 08:29 AM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>       Hi guys,  I have a few problems i need h*lp with, there are
>two small vacuum hoses coming from inside my car thruogh the firewall, one
>goes to th vac. canister on the firewall, the other who knows?  The other
>prob. is what fac. color is the timing chain & water pump supposed to be
>for 1970 Olds 442 455 is it blue like the rest of the motor?  Thanks in
>advance to all.  Luke

On my 1968 442s, the other vacuum hose goes to the heater control valve.
This is the valve the shuts off water flow to the heater core when the a/c
is on MAX.   Does your car have a/c?


Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:26:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.

Luke,
Sorry to not have responded earlier, the second line is for your vacuum
trunk release. I thought this was answered earlier. In the early 60's
and up to 70 something, GM used a vacuum cylinder located in the trunk
to actuate the lock remotely. Good, simple system.

Somewhere along the line, don't know what year, they switched from
vacuum actuated mechanisms to solenoids for both the door lock system
and the remote trunk release.

I think your two vacuum lines are for the vacuum trunk release
(do you have a switch or hole where one once was in your glove box?)
and for the cooling/a/c system.

Hope this helps
cf

------------------------------

From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:57:08 -0300
Subject: Re: LD Title Transfers?

> From: "Dave Bird" <gannet@cftnet.com>
> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:14:40 -0300
> Subject: LD Title Transfers?
>
> I'm considering buying a car long distance.  I will not be going in
> person to look at the car (no comments on this part please).
>
> What I'm curious about is how to handle the title transfer.  Most
> states require that buyer and seller both sign the title and then
> have it notarized.  Most Notaries will not not seal it unless both
> persons are present and produce photo ID.
>
> I know there is such a thing as a Power Of Attorney.  But how would
> this work in practice?  Do I get a Power Of Attorney and then send it
> to the person with the car?  Do I get a Power Of Attorney from them
> with a blank title and then sign for both of us?  What?
>
> I'm sure someone out there has been through this.  All information
> appreciated.
>
> On a related note, anyone have any good or bad reports on auto
> transport companies?
>
> Dave Bird
> gannet@cftnet.com
> St. Petersburg, FL
>

Dave,
Check with your state DMV.  They will probably have a form you need
to have the previous owner sign.  In any case they will give you the
best
info on what needs to be done.  I had to forge the previous owner's
signature, as he decided to have seller's remorse after the sale.

Brett Chaveriat                                    Arlington Hts, IL
mailto:brett@mcs.com

72 Cutlass Supreme Convt. (Radiant Green)
96 Impala SS (black)

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 20:35:40 -0300
Subject: Re: My 425 engine :)

Laura,
Do you have a functional speaker in back or not? If not you can hook up a
6X9 in that housing. If you're replacing the cardboard, just cut a new
one to fit (maybe from mat board?) and put it in. If you're trying to
replace the wire mesh (well the metal with all those little round holes...)

You can find these in 88s, 98's and Toros from about 65-69 or 70.

You can still get a  new front windshield. I did and it was a great fix,
much clearer than the 30 year old original. Can't remember what the cost
was, but <$250 I think. BTW, if you replace the windshield and aren't too
concerned about originality, the dash makes a great mounting spot for flush
mounted tweeters. Sounds better than ever.

More questions about big 66's? Just write.
cf

------------------------------

From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:02:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.

- ----------
> Hi Luke,
>
> At 08:29 AM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >       Hi guys,
>  have a few problems i need h*lp with, there are
> >two small vacuum hoses coming from inside my car thruogh the firewall,
one
> >goes to th vac. canister on the firewall, the other who knows?  The other
> >prob. is what fac. color is the timing chain & water pump supposed to be
> >for 1970 Olds 442 455 is it blue like the rest of the motor?  Thanks in
> >advance to all.  Luke
>
> On my 1968 442s, the other vacuum hose goes to the heater control valve.
> This is the valve the shuts off water flow to the heater core when the a/c
> is on MAX.   Does your car have a/c?
>
>
> Bob
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
>  13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
>  Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
   Yes i do have a/c , where is the valve located ? Is it at the back left
corner of the intake?  Thanks for all your h*lp Luke

------------------------------

From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:26:25 -0300
Subject: Olds for sale

Hey everyone,
The following ad in this mornings paper.

1)  1972 Olds 442  completely original, excl cond, $5000     obo
(406) 278-5436

------------------------------

From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:23:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.

- ----------
>
>
> Luke,
> Sorry to not have responded earlier, the second line is for your vacuum
> trunk release. I thought this was answered earlier. In the early 60's
> and up to 70 something, GM used a vacuum cylinder located in the trunk
> to actuate the lock remotely. Good, simple system.
>
> Somewhere along the line, don't know what year, they switched from
> vacuum actuated mechanisms to solenoids for both the door lock system
> and the remote trunk release.
>
> I think your two vacuum lines are for the vacuum trunk release
> (do you have a switch or hole where one once was in your glove box?)
> and for the cooling/a/c system.
>
> Hope this helps
> cf
            Chris  i don't have a trunk release but i do know that
 the trunk release for the 70 442 was solenoid activated. Thanks though.
Luke

------------------------------

From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:34:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Hedders/442

hRichard wrote:
>
> Hello all:
>
> My dilemma....I gotta '69 442 w/455 it has hedders on it now, their
> rusted and they leak(big suprize).  Clearance is very tight..I need to
> relocate brake distribution valve....and right control arm has maybe 3/8
> of a inch of clearance. (I finally had car aligned after completely
> rebuilding the suspension.)
>
> I've been considering two options:
> 1.  Replace with stock exhaust manifolds (safe way)
> 2.  Replace with Hooker ceramic coated hedders (:) performance!
>
> I am seeking advice here.   I know each has good and bad points, but I
> would appreciate some constructive critisim.
>
> Too be Hedder, or not to be Hedder?  That is the Question!
>
> Thanks all,
> Richard Fuqua
> '69/442
header - is the correct spelling

------------------------------

From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:52:03 -0300
Subject: block identity?

Can Anyone tell me what this block is?  The ª is 386525 A.  Now I know
it is a big block but which one?  Everything I have seen says it is a 65
425 cid.  That would be by the letter but the ª doesn't match anything I
can find.  Is this the oddball lifter size and cam bank angle?

Thanks,

Travis

------------------------------

From: Robert and Susan Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 21:47:58 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: was Re: 71' 442 asking again

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Well, this week I updated the welcome message people get when they
> s*bscribe to the list to emphasize the fact that pictures are forbidden
> from being sent to the list. Made it a separate section, put it on the
> first page of the message so people can't miss it, etc. Figured after the
> one earlier this week, we needed something a little more emphatic.
>
> Digest members know that it happened again overnight. My patience has run
> out. The person who sent it is gone from the list. That will be the
> policy from here on out. I'm sorry, but I don't know what else I can do
> to stop this from happening.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada This is Robert who made the first mistake earlier this week. Hope you
know it wasn't me again. I learned my lesson.

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:35:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Hedders/442

At 05:07 PM 5/23/97 -0300, Richard wrote:
>Hello all:
>
>My dilemma....I gotta '69 442 w/455 it has hedders on it now, their
>rusted and they leak(big suprize).  Clearance is very tight..I need to
>relocate brake distribution valve....and right control arm has maybe 3/8
>of a inch of clearance. (I finally had car aligned after completely
>rebuilding the suspension.)
>
>I've been considering two options:
>1.  Replace with stock exhaust manifolds (safe way)
>2.  Replace with Hooker ceramic coated hedders (:) performance!

You could do the next best thing to a header and have the stock exhaust
manifolds Extrune Honed. It involves pushing a claylike substance at a high
pressure through the manifolds and the clay removes any roughness that
disturbs flow inside the manifold. Never had it done myself but it is always
discussed in magazines like Camaro Craft.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....another slow as hell car that looks slow

------------------------------

From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:55:20 -0300
Subject: block identity?

Hi Buddy! What you have is a 66 425, There will be an O in the VIN
Engine code according to my records.  I have the same type of engine
as you do! :) It works great and it should have a nice crank in it!
Also, no it is not the oddballs lifter and Cam Bank angle! An
edelbrock Part ª2152 Cam works excellent with a "Healthy but not to
radical" Idle! I've done my 425 up nicely and it works great! Happy
motoring!

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 22:58:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Vac. hook-ups, ect.

Hi Luke,

At 11:02 AM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>   Yes i do have a/c , where is the valve located ? Is it at the back left
>corner of the intake?  Thanks for all your h*lp Luke

The valve is screwed into the intake at the right (passenger) rear.  It will
have a nipple for a vacuum line.  If I remember correctly, the valve is
closed unless it has vacuum applied to it (at least on my '68s).


Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Chuck Mercer" <cntim@pionet.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:02:43 -0300
Subject: Date:Fri, 23 May 1997 23:02:43 -0300

I have questions about an owners manual for a 1967 Vista Cruiser. and also
am wondering what the meaning is for JET FIRE on the breather of Cutlass
Supremes.  Thank you, Michael
My address is cntim@pionet.net

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:15:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 year old 4-4-2 owner

david wyatt wrote:
>
> As some of you may have read, there was a fire in Indianapolis where
> they build the floats for the 500 Festival parade, 10 floats were
> destroyed.  An 81 year old Indy resident named Ester Chambless is
> loaning her 1968 4-4-2 convertible to the parade, to help fill the gap
> caused by the destroyed floats.  Said her granddaughter, "She loves the
> 500, that car and her dog."  Ester (the owner) is currently in Community
> Hospital East (Indy) recovering from heart surgery and will not be able
> to attend the parade.  I found this in www.starnews.com, the
> Indianapolis newspaper on line.  A very special Olds owner indeed!

With age comes wisdom.  The wisdom to know what cars are worth having!

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:25:12 -0300
Subject: Re: LD Title Transfers?

Dave Bird wrote:
>
> I'm considering buying a car long distance.  I will not be going in
> person to look at the car (no comments on this part please).

OK, but get ready...

> What I'm curious about is how to handle the title transfer.  Most
> states require that buyer and seller both sign the title and then
> have it notarized.  Most Notaries will not not seal it unless both
> persons are present and produce photo ID.

I am a Notary Public.  You are right.  No Notary worth their salt will
notarize a title that they have not seen both parties sign in front of
them, having first properly identified both parties.  However, you would
be surprised at the number of states that no longer require notorization
on titles.  They are working on doing away with it here in PA.  Don't
know what other state you will be dealing with, but notorization may not
be a problem.  I can't recall if Florida is a notorizing state or not.
I can check at work on Tuesday.  Call your local Messenger
Service/Notory Public and ask them if notorization is required in your
state.  Then have the other guy do the same in his state.  If one or the
other requires a notorization, your kinda stuck.  But if neither state
requires notorization you should have no problems.  As an example, all
PA titles require notorization.  But if you bring a car in from a state
where notorization is not required, PA doesn't require it.  You can't
notorize a title that does not include and affidavit, as many out of
state title don't.  We need the buyer to sign an MV-1 title application
on out of state deals, not the seller.  Email me privately if you need
more information on this subject.

> I know there is such a thing as a Power Of Attorney.  But how would
> this work in practice?  Do I get a Power Of Attorney and then send it
> to the person with the car?  Do I get a Power Of Attorney from them
> with a blank title and then sign for both of us?  What?

If you need to go this route, I would be extremely cautious.  Try and
have the party sign a Power of Attorney and send it to you.  If you need
to use a Power of Attorney I would go to a lawyer and have him draw one
up that specifically states what it is good for, and what it is NOT good
for.  I am in favor of using Powers of Attorney when family members are
involved, or when dealerships are involved, but I am extremely hesitant
in using them is a case such as yours.  How well do you know the other
party involved.  Again, I stress to you to try and have the other party
send the Power of Attorney to you and let you do all the necessary
signing.  Please be careful here, unless you really know who you're
dealing with on the other end.

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 23:54:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey

Richard Staley wrote:
>
> Richard Staley wrote:
> >
> > Nick Gomez wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Hey Nick I live in Arlington Texas, where did the new yard open
> > > >> up?(their phone ª if possible)Where in Dallas do you live?
> > >
> > > How are ya doing, Richard. The yard I mentioned is in far southeast
Dallas, > > > down past Mesquite. I've found no pre-1975 Oldsmobiles, sorry.
They do have > > > some Camaros and 55-57 Chevys though! =( Also, I picked up
some 1981 Toyota > > > Corolla parts for my mom. The guys are nice, but their
Olds content is > > > almost nil. =( Well, take care, and keep in touch! > > >
Nick > > > > > > P.S. Have you ever been to that parts yard (Ace Fair Deal
Salvage, I think) > > > in Oak Cliff? They advertise parts for cars from the
40s to the 70s. > > > They're in the phone book. > > > >   Are you sure? I
need any kind of parts for my '70 442 4-speed conv? By > > the way where in
Dallas do you live? Do you know of any shows coming > > before August? I love
car shows! No I have never been to Ace Fair Deal > > Salvage but I drive past
it alot. Do you know Ace Fair Deal's phone > > number? I don't have a Dallas
phone book. Take care! > >         Thanks, > >           RS > >         '70
442 4-speed conv.

------------------------------

From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:16:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Dual conversion exhaust:

At 09:05 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>  I just tried to get the local garage to order me in dual exhaust for my
>dual-manifold single-exhaust cutlass.  He said that no one could bend him
>pipes without seeing the car, so I gotta take it in.  He also said I
>should get a dual-hump tranny crossover.
>
>I don't intend on getting the new crossmember, I'll tell the exhaust shop
>to bend the pipe under the cross-member.  Has anyone ever done this, with
>what results?  Am I missing a better idea?  The car is a 75 cutlass, 455
>that came with normal single exhaust...
>
     Well, I wouldn't run it under the cross-member because not only would
it look like hell from a side view but clearance to ground becomes a
problem.  I have already taken a single exhaust cross-member and cut an arch
with a torch it to except duals.  If your not anticipating racing it, this
might work for you. Besides it can be done right on the car by the shop that
is doing the work for you.

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 19:21:06 -0300
Subject: Re:

Chuck Mercer wrote:
>
> I have questions about an owners manual for a 1967 Vista Cruiser. and also
> am wondering what the meaning is for JET FIRE on the breather of Cutlass
> Supremes.  Thank you, Michael
> My address is cntim@pionet.net

Michael,

I believe that Jet Fire engines refers to Oldsmobile's building of the
Jet Fire turbocharged aluminum V8 for the Cutlass in 1962-63.  Possibly
they were just making use of that car's reputation or just thought that
the name had a ring to it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 18:55:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Hood adjustment

C. Terrence Fletke wrote:
>
> David Nye wrote:
> >
> > Hey Gang,
> >         The other night I was scanning the mail and saw that someone asked
> > about how to lower the back of the hood... did I miss a response? I'm
> > having the same problem. Anybody got info on how to adjust it?
> >                         TIA
> >                                 David Nye
> David
>
> Did you ever get a response to this request? I could use the information
> also.
>
> Terry Fletke

Terry,

Most hood hinges have 2 or 3 bolts holding them on the front clip.
Lowering the rear of the hinge while keeping the front the same height
lowers the rear of the hood when closed.  Try a 1/4" or so at a time on
both sides & tighten them up.  shut the hood to check progress.  If one
is a little higher than the other, work w/that one more.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:27:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Dual conversion exhaust:

>      Well, I wouldn't run it under the cross-member because not only would
> it look like hell from a side view but clearance to ground becomes a
> problem.  I have already taken a single exhaust cross-member and cut an arch
> with a torch it to except duals.  If your not anticipating racing it, this
> might work for you. Besides it can be done right on the car by the shop that
> is doing the work for you.
>
>   Glenn
>   '69 4-4-2


Well I had them put dual exhaust on a '76 Ch*vy Malibu, the ran it under
the crossmember and dented the pipe just little. It looked and worked
just fine.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:24:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)

I think he should win a prize for doing it so quickly - just ONE day!
Actually, I know your compassion and weakness for a solid Oldsmobile family
will probably overwhelm your endless frustration from dealing with all of
us.

I vote he get to come back too.

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:28:34 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>69 Cutlass/442
Hood Louver Chrome  $40.00 pr


  What condition is the chrome in?

 Glenn Connors
 '69 4-4-2


------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:18:36 -0300
Subject: 45 degree 425ci block, was 307's Roller Cam

Sorry.

Once more, just for clarity.

The 1965 425 (why not call it an..) "A" block  (per stamping on front ledge)
is configured such that a 45 degree valve angle results. "A" heads were
designed for this configuration (giving credence to my observations of no
post-'65 motors with "A" heads).

O.K.

Now, consider upgrading to "C" heads. There may (according to Mr. Barry) be
some difficulty with pushrod "interference". I will take interference to mean
conflict of intended pushrod diameter or misalignment of rod holes/guides.
Whatever. Will the resultant valve angle of "C" heads (if properly installed)
result in a different geometry in the pushrod/rocker arm/valve which should
be accounted for?

I may simply have to experiment and post my results here. I am going to need
a lot of head gaskets.

If possible conflicts involve pushrod diameter, which years of blocks or
cylinder head letters saw any new pushrod diameter?

A heady subject.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Everyday Gasoline prices Rise?

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:36:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods\ASC&P??

At 03:08 AM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Jim,
>Do you have a number for them?Do they have a Catalog?
>Thanks
>Frank
>70 442
>71 442 W30 convt
>72 Cutlass s
>90 LSC
>
>
Frank

        I don't have an address but their number is (610) 458-8395.

Jim

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:38:32 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 06:17 AM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>You dont happen to have a fab shroud for the 1964 do you??I would
>like to put an O.E. in if I can.
>
>Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
>
Rick

        Sorry. Forgot to tell you (No I don't have one.)

Jim

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:37:51 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 06:17 AM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>You dont happen to have a fab shroud for the 1964 do you??I would
>like to put an O.E. in if I can.
>
>Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
>
Rick

        Does your car have A/C? I've never seen a shroud on a 64. I've had
three of them.

Jim Chermack

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:49:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

At 05:58 PM 5/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi there Jim! I was wondering, I am a fellow '70 CS owner, but my car
>is a 4door rod instead of the 2door.  The standard 2door Hood should
>fit my car correct? Also, do you think the fiberglass Ram-Air hood
>would make a difference in performance?  I'd like it just for looks,
>but I have an open element air cleaner on my 425.  I was just
>wondering if it would do anything?  Will the stock springs hold the
>hood, or will they crack it?  I appreciate any help I can get Thanks
>:)
>
>____
>Mat Nadrofsky
>70 Olds Cutlass

Mat

        The 2 door hood will fit your car. As for a large increase in
performance your really better spending your money somewhere else. They do
help at higher speeds (above 65-70). The big thing is the looks and the fact
it will draw cooler air if you have the air cleaner to use it and only when
you put your foot into the carb. The flapper i vacuum accuated.

Jim Chermack

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 01:56:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 12:28 AM 5/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>69 Cutlass/442
>Hood Louver Chrome  $40.00 pr
>
>
>  What condition is the chrome in?
>
> Glenn Connors
> '69 4-4-2
>
>
Glenn

        I've got 5 sets. One of them is in pretty good shape very small
lines in the chrome. Very shiny. Just to let you know though they are not
perfect.

Jim Chermack

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:07:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior

- ----------
> From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior
> Date: Friday, May 23, 1997 6:36 AM
>
> let's set the record straight - in 67, "yellow" was a more
pleasant-sounding
> "saffron" - with a saffron exterior it looked great, ideally without a
vinyl
> top but with redlines.  With any other color, it looked, well, YELLOW!

My '67 was originally this color, with the top some sort of bronzish color.
 I thought it was hideous, so it'll begin it's new life as a bright red
machine!

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:04:44 -0300
Subject: Piston Bore Data

(I believe there was a comment about two different bores of piston for 400ci
engines).

then D. Brown wrote....
>
>  Hmm, an important addition for the FAQ. Me being lazy, could you define
>  compression height?
>
>  For early 400 pistons (4.000" bore), I remember Chris Witt mentioning, off

>  the cuff, that possibly 350 pistons (4.057" bore) could be used, if the
>  cylinders were bored .057". This might not work.
>
>
Aren't 425ci and 455ci piston's the same?      (me)


>No The compression height for the 425 is 1.595 and the 455 is 1.720  the
bore is the same
Walter

(me again, replying to D. Brown's inquisition)
Damn straight. Lets get all this piston stuff squared away. (Unintentional
alliterated witticism). What exactly is "compression height" (was that the
term?) of the piston, and what does it affect? I am trusting that Walter was n
ot referring to piston stroke. Which is entirely accounted for in the
crankshaft and piston rods.

Here's my immediate difficulty; a 425ci and a 455 ci block are identical
(except for the 1965 425's which have a 45 degree cam angle) right? O.K. Now.
The only difference (until recently) is that the 425 engine and 455 engine
use different crankshafts and different piston rods. This generates in each
engine a different piston stroke which accounts for the difference in
displacement between the 425ci and 455ci motors. Am I right?

Now. If there is a difference in compression heights between the pistons of
stock 425ci motors and the pistons of stock 455 motors, please explain what
it is and what it means.

And please somebody, do not forget D. Brown's persuit of the 400ci piston
question.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

With all these new piston questions who has time for EGR?

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:17:55 -0300
Subject: Re: speedo cable lube

(Naive question)

Uh. Hmmm.

Uh, what's the difference between a speedo cable and a cruise control speedo
cable?

(Just asking.)

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

(something obscure about duct tape)

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Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:22:33 -0300
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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:33:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Piston Bore Data

At 01:04 AM 5/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Here's my immediate difficulty; a 425ci and a 455 ci block are identical
>(except for the 1965 425's which have a 45 degree cam angle) right? O.K. Now.
>The only difference (until recently) is that the 425 engine and 455 engine
>use different crankshafts and different piston rods. This generates in each
>engine a different piston stroke which accounts for the difference in
>displacement between the 425ci and 455ci motors. Am I right?

Right.

>Now. If there is a difference in compression heights between the pistons of
>stock 425ci motors and the pistons of stock 455 motors, please explain what
>it is and what it means.

Compression height is the distance from the center of the piston pin bore to
the top of the piston. You could physically interchange the 425 and 455
pistons, but you'd either wind up with the piston too far down in the bore
(hence lousy compression), or sticking out of the cylinder bore (goodbye "A"
heads!) at the top of the stroke.

Compression height has nothing to do with displacement, but everything to do
with, you guessed it, compression.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 02:41:40 -0300
Subject: Re: block identity?

In a message dated 97-05-23 22:06:47 EDT, you write:

>
>  Hi Buddy! What you have is a 66 425, There will be an O in the VIN
>  Engine code according to my records.  I have the same type of engine
>  as you do! :) It works great and it should have a nice crank in it!
>  Also, no it is not the oddballs lifter and Cam Bank angle! An
>  edelbrock Part ª2152 Cam works excellent with a "Healthy but not to
>  radical" Idle! I've done my 425 up nicely and it works great! Happy
>  motoring!
>
>  _


Whoa!

Not to jump on any body, mind you.

386525A

Here is what the numbers mean:

38  (honestly, I don't know)

65        1965

25         425cid

A       this means you have the "oddball" cam angle (alternately called valve
angle) of
       45 degrees which was only manifest in the 425's of 1965. As for "A", I
do not know what it meant originally. Nowadays it is merely a good way to
correlate your block with your cylinder heads. I am positive that your
cylinder heads are stamped with a capital "A" (which was only the case in
1965 so far as I can tell) and have the nearby number 383821 which also was
only present for 1965. The Cylinder head on the driver's side should have the
"A" obscured by the power steering unit and bracket (I did not find mine
until I had to nearly remove the bracket to change the V-belt). However, on
most years of big block cylinder heads, the letter is located at the leftmost
edge of the cylnder head. This means that you may be able to see an A near
the firewall on the passenger's side if there are no substantial obstructions
like A/C unit.

Also, since you obviously have a 1965 car, you will have one of several
variations of the TH400 transmission, depending on engine configuration. The
only way to tell is to get down there and clear the gunk off the tag on the
passenger's side of the transmission (only just above the trans pan and at
approx. midway down the transmission's entire length)

Again, mechwar dude. I don't mean to harsh on anyone, but you really have to
be careful distinguishing between 45 degree and 39 degree blocks.

BTW could you mention the specs of the Edelbrock part ª 2152 cam so I might
compare it with stock specs?

Thanks in advance.


Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago IL

Eagles' Generation Riots?

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