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oldsmobile-digest          Wednesday, 21 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 685

Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???
Re: any 70's out there
Re: any 70's out there
Re: HOT ROD article
Re: Thermostat 2 cents
Jet Dry Shortage!!!
Re: 66 425
re:wheel hop
unsubscribe oldsmobile
Re: '67 442 ?'s
Re: Re Yellow interior
Re: brad Bowles
Re: HOT ROD article
Re: any 70's out there
442 + 425 = 0?
Re: '67 442 ?'s
Fw: Rearend Codes and cams?
Fw: Olds at Hot Rod Power Tour...
Re: UNBOUNCE: '77 442
Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor
Re: Oil discrepancies....
(no subject)
Wanted:  Bumper jack base
Returned by Custodian, plea
Returned by Custodian, plea
Returned by Custodian, plea
Returned by Custodian, plea
Returned by Custodian, plea
Re: Unbounce: Cam Walking
Re: HOT ROD article
Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???
Re: HOT ROD article
Re: "73 442
Re: HOT ROD article
Re:Thermostat 2 cents
Things people have said about my cars
Re: Oil discrepancies....
Re: Oil discrepancies....
Source for Hood Hinges for Fiberglass Hood?
T-stat $0.02, going to the glue factory.....
Re: IVOC meet (again)
Re: Re Yellow interior
Re: 66 425
newcomer and a greenhorn
Re: Wood grain decals
Re: Things people have said about my cars
70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
Re: A sticky problem
New Pictures
Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)
Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
Prize of a harmonic balancer
unsubscribe
Re: Things people have said about my cars

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From: Hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:28:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> >The only difference between the 425 and the 455 is the crank.  So puting
> >a 425 crank in a 455 would make it a 425.
>
> Don't forget that at the shorter stroke, the rods are also a different
length... > > >I'm helping a friend plan his 455 for his 68 442, check out
the roller > >cams that were in the mid to late 80's 307's ....one of these in
a 455 > >did wonders on the dyno.  stock C heads with 10.5 comp > >529 hp at
5500         558 tq at 4000 > > VERY interesting!  I've never even
considerred that.  I am not very familiar > with those 307's.  What all was
involved in switching to the rollers??? > Which 307's had 'em?  (I'll check
the FAQ in a minute, here, but...)  I > ~really~ like the idea, though...
Those specs are amazing!  Was that a > stock 455, with ~just~ the stock 80's
roller cam and lifters???  What other > goodies helped attain those ~big~
numbers?  Do tell!!!    :) > > >              Charley Buehner       |
mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu >              500 4th Ave.          |
mailto:charley@rocketship.com >              Box 1255              | Montana
State University-Northern >              Havre, Montana 59501  |
http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner >              "Rockit 1"            | '81
Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~ >              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS
455 >              "FAST FWD" (Soon)     | '67 Toronado 425 >
Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

we've been messing around with the Desk top dyno. the 455 had fully
ported small block heads on it 11:1 comp, 800 cfm dual plane intake
small tube headers with open exhaust.
we ran it through with pocket ported BB heads "C" and large valves,
dropped the comp to 10.5 and put a single plane on it and It was just
shy of 600 hp ( I dont remember what roller cam we used)
but another friend has a 71 Nova and he wants to do something totaly
cool....put a 455 Olds in it! with a 292 duration .518 lift regular hyd
flat tappet cam(comp cams Magnum) and pocket ported heads stock valves
and 10.5:1  it came to 500 hp and 500 tq.  he's got 3.73 gears in it and
a 4-speed so I hope it goes. we are just looking for another set of C
heads are B,  but we'll gladly take some D heads!! If anyone has a set
around southern WI for sale, please let me know.
Marty
68 442

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:20:58 -0300
Subject: Re: any 70's out there

I'm from Ontario Canada, near Toronto.  "Finished" (its never ever
gonna be done) my cutlass last year! :)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:27:15 -0300
Subject: Re: any 70's out there

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
>
>     I am very interested in purchasing a 1970 442 or S  I sold my project a
few > years ago and miss it greatly.  I would like a car that I could drive,
and > looks good.  doesn't have to be perfect.  I would like to purchase it in
the > next month or so.  Want to drive a 70 here in olds country this summer. >
 > ANY LEADS?????? > > Thanks > Doug

Doug,
I have grown very attached to my car, I have spent hundreds of hours
working on it.  It is a nice '70 442.  It has W-30 emblems and several
W-30 and other rare options, but is not a real W-30.  I just had the
motor rebuilt and is ready to turn 13's in the quarter mile.  It has no
significant paint, but the interior is almost show, I need to have the
carpet installed.
Here is a quick description of the car...

'70 442 (W-30)-
455 (.060"=468) fresh professional rebuild with custom grind cam
TH 400 rebuilt with B&M stage 2 shift kit - column shift
Black interior
Power windows, power bench seat, power steering, power front disk brake,
stilt column, stock looking radio
OAI hood with the original air cleaner and flapper door
rear bumper with the exhaust cutouts
no posi or paint (yet)

let me know how interested you are!
Thanks
Brad
70 442

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:49:31 -0300
Subject: Re: HOT ROD article

> The only difference between the 425 and the 455 is the crank.  So puting

...and the rods and pistons.  I'm fully aware of the differences.

> a 425 crank in a 455 would make it a 425.
> 455--4.126 bore  4.25 stroke
> 425--4.126 bore  3.975 stroke

*snip*

> last year we had his car at the track and it ran 13.8 melting the ª7
> piston.  we thought the gas was mixed with racing fuel good enough but
> it wasn't.. I have to retard the timing on my 68 442 to run it on 93
> oct. otherwise it octane knocks like hell. and its only running 10.5:1

But you have to remember the concepts described in this engine.  It was
made to purposely run high compression with poor fuel, and ultimately make
incredible horsepower both economically and by using the poor fuel.  Now
all I was trying to say that these concepts could be applied to the 425
Olds, or for that matter the 350.  It had nothing to do with stroking for
low end torque, or de-stroking for rpm's.  The purpose was to use the
longest rod length possible, which geometrically, changes the dwell time of
the piston at TDC, which will decrease the engine's sensitivity to
detonation.  I suggest you visit your newsstand and pick up that issue of
HOT ROD in case there has been any understanding between us.

Thank you

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 19:59:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Thermostat 2 cents

Don't forget the simple stuff when it comes to cars overheating.  For
every pound of pressure the boiling point of water is raised about three
degrees.  So don't forget to check that radiator cap for the correct
pressure.  A 15lb cap will raise the boiling point to over 250 degrees.

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:23:17 -0300
Subject: Jet Dry Shortage!!!

>>
>> Would it be that the rinse agent used in dish machines would do the
>> same job as does the "wetter water" and Photo-Flo ?
>
>It performs the same function, yes.
>

Better stock up now!  If ~this~ gets out, there'll be no jet dry left on the
store's shelves!!!


(Let's not tell the ch*vy guys, OK?)  ;)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:04:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 425

- ----------
> From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 66 425
> Date: Monday, May 19, 1997 11:02 PM
>
>  managed to find the only
> >set of 425 0.030" pistons in Canada!
> Now we'll see if there are any left in the US!!  I know now not to look
in
> Canada.
>
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
> Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista
Cruiser
> , '72 Vista Cruiser project

I have access to about all the piston companys wharehouses through the
Engine Pro network. If there are any available they should be able to find
them. If you are serious about wanting them (or any other engine part) I
can check. Just let me know.
Walter
jones@morgan.net

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From: Sean Edwards <sean@wwonline.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:32:24 -0300
Subject: re:wheel hop

     Yah Yah I know this subject has been beaten to death but I just have a
few more things to say. Don't get me wrong, I agree with alot of the ideas
but there is one thing that still bother's me. Someone was talking about a 4
link suspension (sorry if I'm not quite accurate with what I'm saying, I
erased the message by mistake).Yes the car feels like it is raising in the
rear but the front has lifted allmost twice as much. This will transfer the
weight to the back of the car, through the springs and down to the ground
through the tires.The stock rear con-arm setup is a basic 4link set up just
no adjustment. The weight transfer still has to be there. The best advice
that I do have to agree with is to re-bush the rear end and check the
con-arms for srength and straightness also a good set of shocks wouldn't
hurt either.


SEAN
72 S

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From: James Pindar <jp@webspan.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:21:23 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile

Sorry I don't remember the proper way. See you later.

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:44:26 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 442 ?'s

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Oh, the shame of it all... the humiliation! ;-)
>
> My source for this was a factory chart entitled "1967 Oldsmobile Trim
> Combination / Oldsmobile Sales and Car Order conversions".

Where did this come from?  I've got an exterior and interior color
combination chart, but it sounds like its different from yours.

> They list 2
> lines for both yellow and champagne interiors (all other colors only have a
> single line). They offered a bunch of interior colors in '67: black,
> pewter, green, blue, champagne, gold, red, burgundy, garnet, turquoise,
> yellow, and dubonnet -- how's that for choice?

You forgot, in addition to the standard "blue" they also had Bimini Blue
and Midnight Blue...

> Anyway, the 2 lines for
> yellow list 2 different choices in a Supreme and 2 more for a regular
> Cutlass. The regular Cutlass could be apparently had with a yellow bench
> seat.

Yes, this is true.  It was code 18 (1 for all morocceen bench seat, 8
for yellow).

> The Supremes show a choice of a 978/38, which is yellow bucket
> seats with vinyl trim,

Yes, this is true also.  The 3 is for all morocceen buckets seats.

> or a 988/68, which is the cloth and vinyl buckets

This is where we're running into trouble.  Maybe your chart has a
mis-print.  I don't show code 68 as being available on anything (this
information comes from two books).  Code 68 (6 for morocceen and pattern
cloth bucket seats) doesn't exist as far as I can tell.  In fact, the
only place where I see a 6* code is for the Toronado Deluxe.  That's
code 60 for black cloth and vinyl bucket seats.  As far as I know the
Toro was the only Olds to use cloth buckets.

> So as the saying goes, "you could look it up".

I did...

> Whether they ever made
> such a combo is still an open question, but it *is* listed. So it's not
> so humiliating after all... :)

Dont bet on it! ;)

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:52:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I used to have a '67 Sales brochure and if I'm not mistaken, didn't they
> have a photo of a yellow rag top 4-4-2 with yellow interior?  I know it was
> a yellow car as it had the thin red wall tires and it looked SO nice with
> the SSI's.
>
> Someone out there has a brochure - see if age has dimmed the brain cells
> here (hey, I'm talking 17 years of memory from when I had this brochure).
>
> Lisa Madsen

Lisa,

I'm looking at that picture right now.  I can't tell if the convertible
is supposed to be yellow, or gold.  I'll buy yellow.

Also can't tell if the interior is supposed to be yellow or champagne.
I'll buy yellow here too.

And those red line tire do look nice with the...

WIRE WHEEL COVERS!

Do you remember the red fender stripes?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:58:35 -0300
Subject: Re: brad Bowles

I'm interested what are you looking to get out of it?
Where are you located?
Hope to hear from you soon
use my email

harkema2@pilot.msu.edu

Thanks
Doug

>
> Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> >
> >     I am very interested in purchasing a 1970 442 or S  I sold my project
a few > > years ago and miss it greatly.  I would like a car that I could
drive, and > > looks good.  doesn't have to be perfect.  I would like to
purchase it in the

> > next month or so.  Want to drive a 70 here in olds country this summer.
> >
> > ANY LEADS??????
> >
> > Thanks
> > Doug
>
> Doug,
>     I have grown very attached to my car, I have spent hundreds of hours
> working on it.  It is a nice '70 442.  It has W-30 emblems and several
> W-30 and other rare options, but is not a real W-30.  I just had the
> motor rebuilt and is ready to turn 13's in the quarter mile.  It has no
> significant paint, but the interior is almost show, I need to have the
> carpet installed.
>     Here is a quick description of the car...
>
> '70 442 (W-30)-
> 455 (.060"=468) fresh professional rebuild with custom grind cam
> TH 400 rebuilt with B&M stage 2 shift kit - column shift
> Black interior
> Power windows, power bench seat, power steering, power front disk brake,
> stilt column, stock looking radio
> OAI hood with the original air cleaner and flapper door
> rear bumper with the exhaust cutouts
> no posi or paint (yet)
>
> let me know how interested you are!
> Thanks
> Brad
> 70 442
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:01:45 -0300
Subject: Re: HOT ROD article

At 06:49 PM 5/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>detonation.  I suggest you visit your newsstand and pick up that issue of
>HOT ROD in case there has been any understanding between us.
                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah, you don't want that happening here...

;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:01:05 -0300
Subject: Re: any 70's out there

I'm interested what does the car need?
Rust?
I'm going to be in stratford in about three weeks

hope to hear from you soon
Doug

use my email address
harkema2@pilot.msu.edu


>
> I'm from Ontario Canada, near Toronto.  "Finished" (its never ever
> gonna be done) my cutlass last year! :)
>
> ____
> Mat Nadrofsky
> 70 Olds Cutlass
>
>

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:10:12 -0300
Subject: 442 + 425 = 0?

I was interested by the topic yesterday about late '67 442s with 425
motors.  I read through all my Service Guild issues and Technical
Bulletins from '67 through '69 and didn't find anything that supported
this.  I would think if they actualld did this there would be some kind
of article to the techs to let them know what was going on.

I did find a tech bulletin about 750 late '67 330 that used 350 parts.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:29:34 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 442 ?'s

On Tue, 20 May 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> > My source for this was a factory chart entitled "1967 Oldsmobile Trim
> > Combination / Oldsmobile Sales and Car Order conversions".
>
> Where did this come from?  I've got an exterior and interior color
> combination chart, but it sounds like its different from yours.

It's in "1961-1969 Cutlass - F-85 - 4-4-2: A Book of Information",
containing reprints of a lot of the factory literature. Page 197.

> > or a 988/68, which is the cloth and vinyl buckets
>
> This is where we're running into trouble.  Maybe your chart has a
> mis-print.  I don't show code 68 as being available on anything (this
> information comes from two books).  Code 68 (6 for morocceen and pattern
> cloth bucket seats) doesn't exist as far as I can tell.  In fact, the
> only place where I see a 6* code is for the Toronado Deluxe.  That's
> code 60 for black cloth and vinyl bucket seats.  As far as I know the
> Toro was the only Olds to use cloth buckets.

Does your chart show a "988" code at least? Remember, that's what the car
Mike was looking at showed on the data plate. The chart I've got covers
only the Cutlass models, so I can't say anything about the Toros.
According to this chart, the "978" code was all vinyl yellow buckets, 988
decodes to cloth and vinyl. Also, it appears that the "68" subcode for
cloth and vinyl buckets was available *only* in yellow -- according to the
chart, no other color scheme offered that choice with bucket seats, at
least in the Cutlass.

> > So as the saying goes, "you could look it up".
>
> I did...

So did I... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 14:24:09 -0300
Subject: Fw: Rearend Codes and cams?

 ----
From: dayc <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Sunday, May 18, 1997 7:55 PM
Subject: Rearend Codes and cams?

Evening Folks,

How accurate are the 2 digit codes stamped on the axle tubes?
Were there ever cases in which different "ring sets" were placed in?

In cases in which cars are equipped with gear ratios of 2.56/2.78/3.08
What camshaft enhancements would be recommended, if any?

Thanks

Corey D
70 Olds Cutlass S (455)
68 Delta 68-455 2bbl!!!!! WHoa! My 17.8 sec street machine!
dayc@ix.netcom.com

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From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:26:53 -0300
Subject: Fw: Olds at Hot Rod Power Tour...

Yea, I was there and saw those great bunch of W-30's. It was to bad I
didn't walk
south of Cass earlier. When we got there we went north from Cass and up to
all
of the manfacturer displays. By the time we turned around and went south of
Cass
and found the bunch of W-30's my friend who drove, was pushing to leave. He
had
to get home by 6:00 to watch "Babylon 5". I guess he who has the keys
rules. But
I was able to get a glance. Just wish I could of stayed and talked to you
guys.
I picked up Dr. Decal's business card. I even went back Sunday on my own,
but there wasn't any there.

Hay Mark, let me know where you guys will be showing the cars next.
Would like say hi.

By the way, still looking for a 70 - 72 Cutlass or 442.

John Richmond
Warren, MI
richmond@tir.com

- ----------
>
> The Hot Rod Power Tour finished up Sunday in Mt.Clemens, Mi with the
local
> paper saying that an estimated 2,000 "Hot Rods" came to town for the two
> day event. The highlight of the event (at least for me) were all the
great
> looking Oldsmobiles! Mark Prince (W Machines) and Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)
> showed up with their beautiful W-30's,
>

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From: "C.K.G-B" <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:35:13 -0300
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '77 442

what does this mean????

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date:   Tue, 20 May 1997 17:07:19 -0300
> From:   "C.K.G-B" <bluffin@netins.net>
> Reply-To: bluffin@netins.net
> To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: '77 442
>
> Let me try one more time before I uns*bscribe to the mailing list again.
>
> I am looking for any or all body parts for a '77 442, have had no luck
> in over a year to find anything in Iowa or the surrounding area, if you
> can help please let me know.... I will be unsubcribing to the list at
> the end of the day.
>
> Thank you very much
>
> Chris Blumenstein

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:05:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Motor Oil, AC Compressor

Charley Buehner wrote:

> that the A/C's draw on the engine uses less fuel than rolling the windows
> down, because of wind drag, etc.  Never seen ~actual~ evidence to back that
> up

Ya know, I just thought I was crazy, but I have ran with the AC on for
two days in a row now, and I've got about 60 miles on about 2.5 gallons
of gasoline -- that's _24_ miles per gallon!  Maybe that rumor is
true...has anybody else had the same experience as me?

This summer, I'm having the whole car checked over: tune-up, trans
check, AC check, etc. because of the 12 hour drive to Lansing in August
and a 4.5 hour drive each to college each time (I start at Virginia Tech
this fall).

Thanks for everybody's help.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:10:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil discrepancies....

Daren@qconline.com wrote:
>
> OL>:-) Thanks!  But I still can't figure out what could be taking up the
> OL>"space" in the engine for the 5th quart (or so..) that I have always had
> OL>to put in to top it off...
>
> The oil filter?
>
> Daren
>
> O.C.A. ª23571
> daren@qconline.com

Should be...they say to buy 4 quarts for an oil change...5 quarts if
you're changing the filter as well.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: "Robert W. Dye" <robbyd@gte.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:09:49 -0300
Subject: (no subject)

Anybody know where i can get replacement for chrome piece that boot
cover attaches to on '67 Cutlass S Covert? Also need windshield trim for
same.

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:26:59 -0300
Subject: Wanted:  Bumper jack base

I need a bumper jack base for one of my 68 442s.  Please respond by
private e-mail.

TIA

Dan

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From: "LATGQMGR2" <LATGQMGR2@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:01:50 -0300
Subject: Returned by Custodian, plea

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               Jet Dry Shortage!!!


>>
>> Would it be that the rinse agent used in dish machines would do the
>> same job as does the "wetter water" and Photo-Flo ?
>
>It performs the same function, yes.
>

Better stock up now!  If ~this~ gets out, there'll be no jet dry left on the
store's shelves!!!


(Let's not tell the ch*vy guys, OK?)  ;)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!



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Subject: Jet Dry Shortage!!!
Reply-To: "oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca%INTERNET" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
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From: "LATGQMGR2" <LATGQMGR2@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:32:30 -0300
Subject: Returned by Custodian, plea

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>Unbounce: Cam Walking

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Another h*lp message... please do not use the "H*LP" word in your subject
> line, folks, majordomo thinks you're trying to get to me...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
> Date:   Mon, 19 May 1997 09:38:01 -0300
>
>        H*lp anybody,
   I pulled the timing chain cover & seen where
> the cam bolt had been walking into the cover, so i proceed  to pull cam
> &also noticed that the rear part of the cam had walked backwards .  Is
> there soposed to be  some kind of cam bushing behind the cam gear?  Iknow
> Mondello  sells a cam button for the bolt.  Oh     &  where can i  get a
> new bolt?  You know it is kind-of  wore down.  Thanks a lot for the help.
> Luke


When I had my  '71 455 (.060"= 468) rebuilt, the builder said not to use
a cam button.  he said that when using hydrolic lifters, it is not
necessary because "it pulls the cam into the correct place, eliminating
the use of a cam button."  He also said that using a cam button can
prematurely wear out the cam and cause severe damage, some of which I
have heard of on this server.
The company that I had rebuild my motor is VERY reputable and has
rebuilt several Olds 455.  They had to be good to get the 6500 redline I
wanted.

Happy Oldsmobiling!
Brad
'70 442


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From: "LATGQMGR2" <LATGQMGR2@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:01:49 -0300
Subject: Returned by Custodian, plea

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>307's Roller Cam in a 455???

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> >The only difference between the 425 and the 455 is the crank.  So puting
> >a 425 crank in a 455 would make it a 425.
>
> Don't forget that at the shorter stroke, the rods are also a different
length...
>
> >I'm helping a friend plan his 455 for his 68 442, check out the roller
> >cams that were in the mid to late 80's 307's ....one of these in a 455
> >did wonders on the dyno.  stock C heads with 10.5 comp
> >529 hp at 5500         558 tq at 4000
>
> VERY interesting!  I've never even considerred that.  I am not very familiar
> with those 307's.  What all was involved in switching to the rollers???
> Which 307's had 'em?  (I'll check the FAQ in a minute, here, but...)  I
> ~really~ like the idea, though...  Those specs are amazing!  Was that a
> stock 455, with ~just~ the stock 80's roller cam and lifters???  What other
> goodies helped attain those ~big~ numbers?  Do tell!!!    :)
>
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
>              500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>              Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "FAST FWD" (Soon)     | '67 Toronado 425
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

we've been messing around with the Desk top dyno. the 455 had fully
ported small block heads on it 11:1 comp, 800 cfm dual plane intake
small tube headers with open exhaust.
we ran it through with pocket ported BB heads "C" and large valves,
dropped the comp to 10.5 and put a single plane on it and It was just
shy of 600 hp ( I dont remember what roller cam we used)
but another friend has a 71 Nova and he wants to do something totaly
cool....put a 455 Olds in it! with a 292 duration .518 lift regular hyd
flat tappet cam(comp cams Magnum) and pocket ported heads stock valves
and 10.5:1  it came to 500 hp and 500 tq.  he's got 3.73 gears in it and
a 4-speed so I hope it goes. we are just looking for another set of C
heads are B,  but we'll gladly take some D heads!! If anyone has a set
around southern WI for sale, please let me know.
Marty
68 442


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Subject: Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???
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From: "LATGQMGR2" <LATGQMGR2@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 20:34:35 -0300
Subject: Returned by Custodian, plea

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>'50 Parts wanted

        Difficult to find.  I was looking for the same piece (sort of) for
     my '51 98.  No one would sell it without the fender.  Mine were
     literally dented almost flat.  Sent them out with a few other pieces
     to a place in WI (can't remember the name off hand) for repair.  They
     said they could actually fix it up to look really good.

        Well, $500 later they came back.  They repaired one "spear" and two
     side molding pieces (also dented and creased), plus polished these and
     the other three matching pieces (six in all).

        I could not believe the work they did.  These pieces looked
     absolutly new.  Try as I might, I couldn't find a flaw.  Well worth
     the cost if you want quality.

        You may want to consider this route if you still have the piece.
     If its missing, I've just wasted some bandwidth, I guess <g>.

     - Pete
     '51 98
     '52 Plymouth Concord
     '73 Imperial(ist)
     '82 98
     '84 C10 (soon to be Olds powered)
     '86 Ciera



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Subject: '50 Parts wanted
Author:  idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight) at imail
Date:    5/20/97 3:25 PM


I need right rear fender spear with "futuramic" for '50 club coupe.

Also rear fender gravel shields for same (stainless or rubber)

Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho




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From: "LATGQMGR2" <LATGQMGR2@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 21:50:05 -0300
Subject: Returned by Custodian, plea

Mail*Link(r) SMTP               RE>wheel hop

     Yah Yah I know this subject has been beaten to death but I just have a
few more things to say. Don't get me wrong, I agree with alot of the ideas
but there is one thing that still bother's me. Someone was talking about a 4
link suspension (sorry if I'm not quite accurate with what I'm saying, I
erased the message by mistake).Yes the car feels like it is raising in the
rear but the front has lifted allmost twice as much. This will transfer the
weight to the back of the car, through the springs and down to the ground
through the tires.The stock rear con-arm setup is a basic 4link set up just
no adjustment. The weight transfer still has to be there. The best advice
that I do have to agree with is to re-bush the rear end and check the
con-arms for srength and straightness also a good set of shocks wouldn't
hurt either.


SEAN
72 S



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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:35:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Unbounce: Cam Walking

> When I had my  '71 455 (.060"= 468) rebuilt, the builder said not to use
> a cam button.  he said that when using hydrolic lifters, it is not
> necessary because "it pulls the cam into the correct place, eliminating
> the use of a cam button."  He also said that using a cam button can
> prematurely wear out the cam and cause severe damage, some of which I
> have heard of on this server.
> The company that I had rebuild my motor is VERY reputable and has
> rebuilt several Olds 455.  They had to be good to get the 6500 redline I
> wanted.
>
 The cam lobes are ground with a slight taper which spins the lifter and
pushes the cam rearward. The back of the cam gear then contacts the block
preventing the whole assembly from going any further back.
OTOH a roller cam has perfectly straight lobes. Of course to keep the cam
from wandering around you must ues a thrust plate or cam button.
Walter

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:44:08 -0300
Subject: Re: HOT ROD article

- ----------
> From: Suzanne Rousseau <ewok@clarkston.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: HOT ROD article
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 5:49 PM
>
>
> > The only difference between the 425 and the 455 is the crank.  So
puting
>
> ...and the rods and pistons.  I'm fully aware of the differences.
>
> > a 425 crank in a 455 would make it a 425.
> > 455--4.126 bore  4.25 stroke
> > 425--4.126 bore  3.975 stroke
>
> *snip*
>
> > last year we had his car at the track and it ran 13.8 melting the ª7
> > piston.  we thought the gas was mixed with racing fuel good enough but
> > it wasn't.. I have to retard the timing on my 68 442 to run it on 93
> > oct. otherwise it octane knocks like hell. and its only running 10.5:1
>
> But you have to remember the concepts described in this engine.  It was
> made to purposely run high compression with poor fuel, and ultimately
make
> incredible horsepower both economically and by using the poor fuel.  Now
> all I was trying to say that these concepts could be applied to the 425
> Olds, or for that matter the 350.  It had nothing to do with stroking for
> low end torque, or de-stroking for rpm's.  The purpose was to use the
> longest rod length possible, which geometrically, changes the dwell time
of
> the piston at TDC, which will decrease the engine's sensitivity to
> detonation.  I suggest you visit your newsstand and pick up that issue of
> HOT ROD in case there has been any understanding between us.

They used other things to help prevent detenation besides the long rods.
They used a aluminum 305 head which had good swirl and a small chamber,
All of these help prevent detenation. As some of yall have said the Olds
has a fairly long rod and the small block Olds has a short stroke. You
still cant run one of them at the compresion that the did the chevy because
of the chamber design and the cast iron head.  Now if Edelbrock come out
with their aluminum Olds head you will be able to go up to nearly what they
did.

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:43:12 -0300
Subject: Re: 307's Roller Cam in a 455???

Are the '66 425 "A" Heads any good? Also, I have a '70 350 rockit fer
sale out of my now 425 Olds Cutlass Supreme, what do you guys think I
should ask for it?  Would Small Block ª6 Heads work better on my 425?


____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:45:00 -0300
Subject: Re: HOT ROD article

.  I suggest you visit your newsstand and pick up that issue of
> >HOT ROD in case there has been any understanding between us.
>                                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Yeah, you don't want that happening here...
>
> ;)

misunderstanding I tell ya, misunderstanding.  Hmmm...I *wonder* why the
mail server would do such a thing....

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 18:49:33 -0300
Subject: Re: "73 442

Nick Lamboy wrote:
>
> Bill
>         On your comment on the H/O. Remeber if it is a H/O it is a great
find > but if it really isnt it will just be another "pretender to the crown". 
>
I know all the 442 guys will probably kill me know but a Hurst of any > year
is something special and should be be put in the highest of > regaurds. A
Hurst is basically the final evolution of the 442. There are > many
exceptional 442's  so if you are going to restore/spend alot of > money on a
442 make it what its supposed to be and not a copy of a > Hurst. Many people
may beleive it to be a Hurst if you make it look like > one but the VIN's dont
lie >                                                 Nick >
83 Hurts Olds

Nick,

I  haven't yet decided to buy the car.  Of course you are correct.  I
guess that I just hate to see either a 442 or a H/O go to waste.  I may
yet buy both.  Too bad that the H/O can only be parts.

Bill Culp
Decautur, Alabama

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:21:11 -0300
Subject: Re: HOT ROD article

> They used other things to help prevent detenation besides the long rods.
> They used a aluminum 305 head which had good swirl and a small chamber,
> All of these help prevent detenation. As some of yall have said the Olds
> has a fairly long rod and the small block Olds has a short stroke. You
> still cant run one of them at the compresion that the did the chevy
because
> of the chamber design and the cast iron head.  Now if Edelbrock come out
> with their aluminum Olds head you will be able to go up to nearly what
they
> did.
>

My apologies for leaving out that important bit of information.  This
engine almost sounds too good to be true, I wonder if they have any tricks
up their sleeve that they failed to mention in the text of the article?  I
guess we will never know...

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:25:51 -0300
Subject: Re:Thermostat 2 cents

Well, a dead  horse can't feel himself being beaten, so:
On Tue, 20 May 1997, Esko Ilola wrote:
> Eric Aksomitis wrote:
> Wrong.
> ª1 The water is pumped OUT of engine, down the radiator.....
Huh????  I always thought it went  in from the bottom rad hose (hence the
spring to make it not collapse), and INTO the engine, then out the
thermostat housing to the rad!!!! (Otherwise why would it build that bit
more pressure when you shut it off and quit pressurizing the block.)
> ª2 The volume of water does not change under pressure.
Well, maybe not, I don't remember the definition of volume, but there is
more water molecules of pressurised water in a block then non-presurized,
that's what I meant to say (type).
>
> On the other hand, a slight vacuum might lower the boiling temperature
> thus causing more bubbles........
Yes, it would, as well it would serve well to vacuum the interior.
.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.1.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:33:45 -0300
Subject: Things people have said about my cars

On Tue, 20 May 1997, James Thingwold (Lisa Madsen) wrote:

> At least they identify your car in some way - they always look at my '67
> Delta and say "thats a nice car - WHAT is it?"

Well, the best ones I've ever got, good or bad are:

I like your car, I can lie down in it (75 98)

Nice car, too bad it wasn't an older 442 (I HATE that one).

What's that dent from (reply: where I hit a tree).

So you like duct-tape, then?

Look at that door (76 98, 3 1/2 door, rusty)

Why don't you spend your money on a good car? (reply: did, look at it!)

etc.. etc.., I'm sure you might've heard some of them before

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.1.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:48:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil discrepancies....

>>
>> OL>:-) Thanks!  But I still can't figure out what could be taking up the
>> OL>"space" in the engine for the 5th quart (or so..) that I have always had
>> OL>to put in to top it off...

>
>Should be...they say to buy 4 quarts for an oil change...5 quarts if
>you're changing the filter as well.


Keep in mind the "Rod Knocker" V-6 (can't remember who coined that term, but
I ~love~ it!!!) used a 1/2 quart filter, leaving a total pan capacity of
around 4.5 quarts, instead...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 23:51:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil discrepancies....

> Should be...they say to buy 4 quarts for an oil change...5 quarts if
> you're changing the filter as well.

Late model 307's only take 4.25 litres (4.5 quarts) including a filter
change.  When my '88 Brougham was new, I had to verify that the dipstick
was correct because adding 5 litres put the oil level just above the
last 'L' in " :         :   FULL ".

Kevin Wong

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From: "bemet" <bemet@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 00:37:03 -0300
Subject: Source for Hood Hinges for Fiberglass Hood?

Can anyone recommend a source for hood hinges for the W30 fiberglass hood?
My car is a '71. Would the 70-72 be exactly the same?  Thanks.

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:13:13 -0300
Subject: T-stat $0.02, going to the glue factory.....

At 12:25 AM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Well, a dead  horse can't feel himself being beaten, so:


Or getting recycled as glue, but I'll stick this note here, anyway!!!

               < < < S N I P > > >

>> Wrong.
>> ª1 The water is pumped OUT of engine, down the radiator.....
>Huh????  I always thought it went  in from the bottom rad hose (hence the
>spring to make it not collapse), and INTO the engine, then out the
>thermostat housing to the rad!!!! (Otherwise why would it build that bit
>more pressure when you shut it off and quit pressurizing the block.)

Here's the water's story here, as far as the radiator and block are
concerned.  The radiator is full of water (Ok, OK, ~coolant!~)  The water
pump takes the water in through the lower hose (hence the needed spring
there...  Low pressure area, under high flow conditions, I guess.)  The pump
would ~have~ to run this direction, because it would have a hell of at time
getting the water from the top side of the radiator to siphon all the way
around the hose and t-stat area...  Especially if there's any air at the top
hose.  Gravity forces the water down through the lower hose, and into the
pump.  Hence, it's constantly primed, as long as the coolant level is OK.
The pump then shoots the water through the block, out the t-stat, and then
up into the radiator.  Second arguement (first being the priming issue):
Heat rises.  (OK, heat radiates, hot air rises...  Logically, the top of the
radiator will be hotter than the bottom.  Which side would ~you~ feed the
cooling system from???  Issue 3:  Still doubt it?  Open the cap, (assuming
the car's cold!!!) start the engine, go out and look in the hole.  Have a
buddy rev it up a little bit.  Where's the water coming from???  You can see
it shooting out of the tubes in the radiator.  This is because it's coming
from the opposite side of the radiator (i.e. the ~other~ tank,) which is fed
by the upper hose.

Of course, the water ~is~ pumped ~out~ of the engine, by the same mechanism
that pumps it ~into~ the engine.  Otherwise it'd just stay in the engine
getting hotter :)

Hope this clears ~something~ up!  :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:15:04 -0300
Subject: Re: IVOC meet (again)

In a message dated 97-05-20 02:19:56 EDT, you write:

<< BTW Daren (and others nearby). Mr. Brown expressed a desire to return to
A&B,
 perhaps on Memorial Day monday or summat.

 Later.

 Karl Aune >>

If this is true, we need to find out if they are open first, and you can
count me in.  I'd go out again.  Just let me know what's going on.

Chris Ruper

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:02:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior

Yes I do - it surprised me that such a disparate package would look so
sharp - guess I've got a couple of brain cells left after all.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:01:39 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 425

I'd be interested in the availability of a 400 CID bored 0.30 over piston.
I know of someone with the same motor who couldn't locate the ones he
wanted  (hi perf I assume) and had a set made.  I'd appreciate an idea if
they are avail. and how much.

I recall getting my 330 pistons (another supposed hard find) from a company
in Florida called Badger (if memory serves)   If you could come across that
info also I'd be indebted, have had other people inquire and I had my 330
done about 17 yrs. ago.

Thanks in advance -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: odang@vico.co.id (Jusuf R. Odang)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 08:30:49 -0300
Subject: newcomer and a greenhorn

Hello,

I'd like to introduce myself first, my name is Jusuf and I live in Jakarta,
Indonesia.
At present I am in the middle of restoring a '65 Oldsmobile delta 88 which I
got it from my inlaw. I understand he bought it brandnew and shipped it to
Jakarta in 1966.
Now  Iam searching as much information on '65 Delata 88 as possible.

I have just sent a mail order for manual book.

I have zillion of questions in my head, but firstly can anybody give me a
history of Delta 88, since its very hard to find articles on that subject.

thanks a bunch,


jusuf

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:49:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Wood grain decals

>I got an inquiry on my web page about who stocks these for the Vista
>Cruisers.  I took mine OFF and have just heard rumors as to the cost.
>Anyone know who carries these?

I hear ya.  I'm sure that some folks liked the woodgrain, but IMHO it was a
terible thing to slap 24 square feet of fake wood decal on an otherwise
great looking station wagon.  I took it off and just left the beltline trim
on....Much better looking.  Allthough I'm afraid the mud flaps I installed
are darned ugly too.  The stones and muck that was splashing up was hell on
the paint so I had to do something.  They do give it a certain ominous "road
warrior" look though that's kinda fun.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 01:45:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

On Wed, 21 May 1997, Eric Aksomitis wrote:

> On Tue, 20 May 1997, James Thingwold (Lisa Madsen) wrote:
>
> > At least they identify your car in some way - they always look at my '67
> > Delta and say "thats a nice car - WHAT is it?"

> I like your car, I can lie down in it (75 98)
> Nice car, too bad it wasn't an older 442 (I HATE that one).
> What's that dent from (reply: where I hit a tree).
> So you like duct-tape, then?
> Look at that door (76 98, 3 1/2 door, rusty)
> Why don't you spend your money on a good car? (reply: did, look at it!)

"Too bad it's not a 442"
"Isn't it about time you finished that car?"
"This is a *STOCK* motor?!?!"  (reply:  Yep, with 200k of no maintance)

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 15:54:29 -0300
Subject: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?

        Hi all,I'am a little confused about the w-30 conv.     I
alway's  thought that  the ( I Think) 69-72 442 ragtops w/ air  in the w-30
option  was called w-32's.      Correct  if i'am  wrong.
I also have a vacuum problem maybe someone can h*lp me with.  I have two
vac. lines coming from inside the car through the firewall ,  i know that
one goes to the vac. canister on the firewall but have no clue where the
other goes.Thanks Luke

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 22:36:51 -0300
Subject: Re: A sticky problem

Has anyone out there ever had to remove that cheap, glass
tinting film adhesive from your glass?

     I've always been able to remove just about anything (paint included,
     so be careful) with straight laquer thinner.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 03:18:21 -0300
Subject: New Pictures

     For everyones reading pleasure, I'll post all my new pics to the list
here...

Just kidding, I can't type those codes very well! :)  However, I ~do~ have a
bunch of new ones, and I've even got 'em up on the page now.  They're of the
'83 Cutlass's new 15" Chrome SSIII's.  (Actually, they're of the car, but it
~has~ those wheels on it now...)  Anyway, the page is here:

http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/83newest.htm

I should have all the links up to it sometime tonight...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 03:37:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?

- ----------
> From: Luke Hogan <hogan442@c-gate.net>
> To: oldsmobile mail <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
> Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:54 AM
>
>         Hi all,I'am a little confused about the w-30 conv.
I
> alway's  thought that  the ( I Think) 69-72 442 ragtops w/ air  in the
w-30
> option  was called w-32's.      Correct  if i'am  wrong.

> I also have a vacuum problem maybe someone can h*lp me with.  I have two
> vac. lines coming from inside the car through the firewall ,  i know that
> one goes to the vac. canister on the firewall but have no clue where the
> other goes.Thanks Luke

Perhaps a glovebox mounted vacuum operated trunk unlock cylinder? (deep
breath)  My '67 has this.  One vacuum line goes from the trunk, through the
firewall to the canister.  The second then goes from the canister BACK
through the firewall to the glovebox switch.  I think.(That just doesn't
sound right though, wanna help me out on this one guys?)  Being a
convertible though, I don't think the factory would have made that option
available, as for trunk safety.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 04:00:47 -0300
Subject: Cleanup stuff... (was:  A sticky problem)

At 10:36 PM 5/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Has anyone out there ever had to remove that cheap, glass
>tinting film adhesive from your glass?
>
>     I've always been able to remove just about anything (paint included,
>     so be careful) with straight laquer thinner.
>

Yes, God's gift to messes!  Some of the coolest stuff I've used for cleaning
was not designed for that purpose, of course...  My ~all time favorite~
chemical (aside from laquer thinner!) is Napa's Brakleen.  It's a
dry/clear-disolving cleaner, so it doesn't stain anything.  I discoverred it
when the Rockit was new to me.  I'd been out partying the night before (hey,
I got the car when I graduated HS, ~you~ do the math!) and we had a Coors
Light Party Ball in the trunk (anyone remember ~those~ things?)  Some girls
with us had been sitting on the trunk lip, and apparantly peeled off the
rubber molding back there.  And proceeded to get butyl tape all over their
backsides...  AND, transferred said sticky substance to ~my~ backSEAT!  I
noticed the next day...  And was less than impressed...  Soooo, I trot on
down to the local NAPA, and say "HELP ME!!!!"  The guy there said I was
screwed.  They had some travelling salesman in there, however, and he told
me to try this brake cleaner stuff he's selling.  Took it out without a
trace.  ~AND~ got a good buzz off of it, too! ;)  I've used the stuff
occasionally since then, but it's kinda spendy.  The laquer thinner works
plenty well for most of my needs, but when I really want to get light
headed, (and maybe clean up a mess....) I turn to the potent stuff!

Just remember, chemicals are our friends.  (My future kids will have three
arms to prove it!:)

Oh God, it must be getting late again!


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:58:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?

- ----------
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Luke Hogan <hogan442@c-gate.net>
> > To: oldsmobile mail <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Subject: 70  442 W-30  Conv. ?
> > Date: Tuesday, May 20, 1997 11:54 AM
> >
> >         Hi all,
> I'am a little confused about the w-30 conv.
> I
> > alway's  thought that  the ( I Think) 69-72 442 ragtops w/ air  in the
> w-30
> > option  was called w-32's.      Correct  if i'am  wrong.
>
>
>
> > I also have a vacuum problem maybe someone can h*lp me with.  I have two
> > vac. lines coming from inside the car through the firewall ,  i know
that
> > one goes to the vac. canister on the firewall but have no clue where the
> > other goes.Thanks Luke
>
> Perhaps a glovebox mounted vacuum operated trunk unlock cylinder? (deep
> breath)  My '67 has this.  One vacuum line goes from the trunk, through
the
> firewall to the canister.  The second then goes from the canister BACK
> through the firewall to the glovebox switch.  I think.(That just doesn't
> sound right though, wanna help me out on this one guys?)  Being a
> convertible though, I don't think the factory would have made that option
> available, as for trunk safety.
>
> Paul Rousseau
> *1967 442

  Paul,  Thanks  but my car is'nt a conv.   i was just wondering about the
w-32.  Mine is a 70 442  hard-top. w/  no glovebox  mounted elec. trunk
switch.

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 05:33:17 -0300
Subject: Prize of a harmonic balancer

I just called to Fusic and they had the harmonic balancer in stock.

They are asking $100 of it. Is that a good prize ?

- --
Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116

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From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 07:42:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Reply to message from ravalent@liii.com of Wed, 21 May
>
>
>
>On Wed, 21 May 1997, Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 20 May 1997, James Thingwold (Lisa Madsen) wrote:
>>
>> > At least they identify your car in some way - they always look at my '67
>> > Delta and say "thats a nice car - WHAT is it?"
>
>> I like your car, I can lie down in it (75 98)
>> Nice car, too bad it wasn't an older 442 (I HATE that one).
>> What's that dent from (reply: where I hit a tree).
>> So you like duct-tape, then?
>> Look at that door (76 98, 3 1/2 door, rusty)
>> Why don't you spend your money on a good car? (reply: did, look at it!)
>
>"Too bad it's not a 442"
>"Isn't it about time you finished that car?"
>"This is a *STOCK* motor?!?!"  (reply:  Yep, with 200k of no maintance)
>


people seem to have fun with my delta (70) around here
 *park ranger kicking rotted rear 1/4) wan't me to shoot it now?
"thats a nice impalla, why the oldsmobile stuff" talk about getting someone
mad!
"there's no way that thing can outrun my '87 monty carlo ss.... hey,
where'd he go?"

as beat as the outside of the car may look, i seem to get quite a few
compliments on it, and running strong, i'm just starting to build up the
350 in it to swap into my 72 till i get the 455 done, unfortounatly the
only chassis dyno around here seems to be a late model mustang/camaro thing
so i'll have to go down the street and have it dynoed out of the car, i'll
keep posting when i'm done, but for now, later

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