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oldsmobile-digest          Sunday, 20 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 622

Re: e-mail
Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
Re: your search is over
Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !
Junkyard find - '64 442
woodie replacement wood
Re: "Real" Musclecars
Fiberglass - opinion requested.
AM FM stereo
Spare Wheel
Re: AM FM stereo
Re: Spare Wheel
Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.
Re: Junkyard find - '64 442
Re: Spare Wheel
Re: woodie replacement wood
Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.
Re: woodie replacement wood
Re: "Real" Musclecars
Re: Spare Wheel
Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Subject: Re: Clock...
Re: Spare Wheel
Re: Junkyard find - '64 442
Re: Original oil pan drain plug & tool
NON OLDS Re: Castor oil...
Re: "Real" Musclecars
Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)
Electric Choke...
Re: NON OLDS Re: Castor oil...
Re: "Real" Musclecars
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Carlisle
BUICK OLD PONTIAC  MAGAZINE
Re: Spare Wheel
Re: 75 olds cutluss s
Re: 455 installed (cross-member)
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...
Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: "Real" Musclecars
Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.
Re: 66 Delta  codes
Re: Diff gears rationale
Re: 7040250 Carb
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
give me a break
455 installed -- Update
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: AM FM stereo
VistaCruiser For Sale ('72 / $600 / Coastal Georgia)
Re: AM FM stereo
Re: "Real" Musclecars
Re: Anyone Going to Vallejo?
Re: Anyone Going to Vallejo?
Re: Junkyard find - '64 442
Re: Carlisle
Re: give me a break
Lead
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
AM/FM Parts & Repair
Looking For A 1972 442
Stereo radio parts
Re: AM/FM Parts & Repair
Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.
68 wanted
Re: 66 Delta  codes
Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)
Re: Carlisle
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re: 66 Delta  codes

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From: "M. Taylor" <chef@citynet.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:07:00 -0300
Subject: Re: e-mail

At 08:30 PM 4/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Clayton Pierce,
>Tried to e-mail you. Address wouldn't go through. Holler at me through
>my e-mail.
>helle@dbeach.com
>
>
>Who
Life is like a box of chocolates...........

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From: "M. Taylor" <chef@citynet.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:07:02 -0300
Subject: Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

All right let him have it....   :0
Life is like a box of chocolates...........

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From: TURBO38@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:21:47 -0300
Subject: Re: your search is over

i'm asking 4k. but i'm negotiable. please reply.

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:38:31 -0300
Subject: Re: NO MORE OF THIS JUNK !

My 1968 Cutlass S convertible.  Now THAT is a piece of junk.

Duane Ambroz

1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible
1989 Buick Century T-type
1968 Cutlass S convertible (or at least it used to be one)

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:38:47 -0300
Subject: Junkyard find - '64 442

While visiting my mother-in-law in Southern Idaho, I dropped by an auto
graveyard I found and there among the sagebrush and trees sat a 1964 442,
2dr. HT.  It sits as it did when its plates expired in 1974.  Twenty-three
years of Idaho winters haven't done it any good, but it is straight and
complete, including tach.  It is straight and the yard owner said he
couldn't remember why it wasn't running, but that he thought the engine was
OK.

What would such a critter be worth?

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:40:14 -0300
Subject: woodie replacement wood

Has anyone run across anyone offering replacement wood kits for '50 ford
woodies?


Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 17:48:15 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

Jeff Ferraro wrote:
>
> > With the instant success that these cars provided, it was not long before
> > Chevy, and Olds joined in too.  At that time, Buick had just introduced
> > their Riveria, and it seemed to placate the Buick group.  And the other
U.S. > > makers joined in too.  Even, AMC built a car that sort of competed. >
> > > The Wiz > > > > "AMC built a car that SORT OF competed"???? .....
Drive an 68-70 AMX > 390 sometime :)

Wiz,

I have both a 390 '69 AMX-4 speed & a '72 401 AMX 4-speed.  My '68
4-speed 442 convertible must work to run w/them.  I wouldn't hazzard to
guess which is more fun.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: shoover <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 23:59:32 -0300
Subject: Fiberglass - opinion requested.

I want to replace the front fenders on my Cutlass, one has hail dings
and the other is rusted at the bottom. The only place I have found new
fenders is Oldsmobile USA and they only have the left one for $400! I
found a place that sells fiberglass fenders for $165 a piece. I know
V*ttes are all fiberglass, but I wanted ya'lls opinion. Think I'll need
to invest in a "Don't lean on me" sign.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:13:57 -0300
Subject: AM FM stereo

Hi all,

I am looking for 2 AM FM stereos, my dad wants one for his '70 W-31,
and I would like one for my '71 442.  If anyone can help please e-mail
me.  Thanks!!

Bryan Bodine,
bbodine@matrix.uti.com
'70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
'71 442 (Mine)

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:24:58 -0300
Subject: Spare Wheel

Hi again,

Now I'm looking for a spare wheel for my '71 442, they are SS whells,
but I don't know how to tell if their I or II??  I do need one though
and I would appreciate any help that anyone can be, thanks alot.

Bryan Bodine
'70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
'71 442 (Mine)

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:17:11 -0300
Subject: Re: AM FM stereo

I would also be interested in an AM-FM radio for my '70 Cutlass, simply
because I went absolutely batty driving the car back 5 hours to Chicago with
nothing but talk radio.

Duane
1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible (that can only get Rush Limbaugh and WGN)

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:24:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Spare Wheel

An SS 1 is the chrome wheel that looks like a Buick wheel.  A SSII is the
traditional Olds wheel.

The first SSII was in 1968.  14x6, gray argent, no bezels around the holes.
 The bezels were added in 1969, and a 14x7 became available.  The SSIII for
the most part are Identical to the SSII, just painted the lower body color.

You can tell size by looking inside the rim for the size stamping.  Unless
you are a stickler for manuracturing codes, SSIIs and SSIIIs are identical
except for the paint.  And you can sandblast and change the color as needed.

Hope that helps a bit

Duane

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:33:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.

If the fit of the fender is good, fiberglass is good. Its tougher than
steel, no dints. Only problems is that it can be hard to get to look
straight, use some high solids on it and block it out. Suggest that on any
fiberglass exposed to rocks from underneath, undercoat it so it doesn't
star chip fom under.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:38:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Junkyard find - '64 442

It is worth alot to me because I need lots of parts for one.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

- ----------
> From: william goodnight <idaholc@primenet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Junkyard find - '64 442
> Date: Saturday, April 19, 1997 8:38 PM
>
> While visiting my mother-in-law in Southern Idaho, I dropped by an auto
> graveyard I found and there among the sagebrush and trees sat a 1964 442,
> 2dr. HT.  It sits as it did when its plates expired in 1974.
Twenty-three
> years of Idaho winters haven't done it any good, but it is straight and
> complete, including tach.  It is straight and the yard owner said he
> couldn't remember why it wasn't running, but that he thought the engine
was OK.
>
> What would such a critter be worth?
>
> Bill Goodnight
> idaholc@primenet.com
> Boise, Idaho
>

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:50:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Spare Wheel

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> An SS 1 is the chrome wheel that looks like a Buick wheel.  A SSII is the
> traditional Olds wheel.
>
> The first SSII was in 1968.  14x6, gray argent, no bezels around the holes.
>  The bezels were added in 1969, and a 14x7 became available.  The SSIII for
> the most part are Identical to the SSII, just painted the lower body color.
>
> You can tell size by looking inside the rim for the size stamping.  Unless
> you are a stickler for manuracturing codes, SSIIs and SSIIIs are identical
> except for the paint.  And you can sandblast and change the color as needed.
>
> Hope that helps a bit
>
> Duane
Duane,

My wheels are Blue, the same color as the car, does that mean their
SSIII's?

Bryan

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:35:25 -0300
Subject: Re: woodie replacement wood

william goodnight wrote:
>
> Has anyone run across anyone offering replacement wood kits for '50 ford
> woodies?
>
>
> Bill Goodnight
> idaholc@primenet.com
> Boise, Idaho

Bill,

I believe that I have seen mention of some in both Hemmings Motor News &
Old Cars Weekly.  I could check if you don't have access to these.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 1997 18:39:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.

shoover wrote:
>
> I want to replace the front fenders on my Cutlass, one has hail dings
> and the other is rusted at the bottom. The only place I have found new
> fenders is Oldsmobile USA and they only have the left one for $400! I
> found a place that sells fiberglass fenders for $165 a piece. I know
> V*ttes are all fiberglass, but I wanted ya'lls opinion. Think I'll need
> to invest in a "Don't lean on me" sign.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

Stephen,

Why not look for some better used ones even if they need that lower
patch.  I can't believe that Texas can't offer some for in the $100 each
range.

I say this because fiberglass usually doesn't fit very well.  They also
tend to be poorly braced for fastening.  My experience is that there is
a lot of custom fitting to get them to work at all.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 00:59:04 -0300
Subject: Re: woodie replacement wood

At 11:40 PM 4/19/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Has anyone run across anyone offering replacement wood kits for '50 ford
>woodies?
>
>
>Bill Goodnight
>idaholc@primenet.com
>Boise, Idaho
>
>
There is a guy, with a busines, called Woodart in Iowa, I think; that makes
all kinds of wood for F*rds only.  A friend of mine got a wood 'kit' from
him for his '32 F*rd 3 window coupe, and I saw the woodwork, it was superb.
I'm assuming that when I was told 'all kinds of wood' it would include the
woodie pieces.  If the address proves difficult I will obtain it for you.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:01:49 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

At 05:48 PM 4/19/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Jeff Ferraro wrote:
>>
>> > With the instant success that these cars provided, it was not long before
>> > Chevy, and Olds joined in too.  At that time, Buick had just introduced
>> > their Riveria, and it seemed to placate the Buick group.  And the other
U.S.
>> > makers joined in too.  Even, AMC built a car that sort of competed.
>> >
>> > The Wiz
>> >
>>
>> "AMC built a car that SORT OF competed"???? .....   Drive an 68-70 AMX
>> 390 sometime :)
>
>Wiz,
>
>I have both a 390 '69 AMX-4 speed & a '72 401 AMX 4-speed.  My '68
>4-speed 442 convertible must work to run w/them.  I wouldn't hazzard to
>guess which is more fun.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
Bill,

I wasn't demeaning the AMX, I explained in another post, that the 'sort of'
was because I remembered the AMXs as being two seaters, and a 'true' pony
car is a four placer.  Also, my post was more to the point of pony cars,
than muscle cars.  Personally I would rather have an AMX too, than a Musgang.

The Wiz

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:09:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Spare Wheel

Bryan,

Do you still have the build sheet?  You can look up and see just which wheel
you should have on the car.  Otherwise, sounds like you have the SSIIIs.
 They should be 14x7 and have bolt on center caps.

Duane

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:12:20 -0300
Subject: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?

My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.

The Wiz

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From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 03:39:39 -0300
Subject: Subject: Re: Clock...

>From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
>Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 21:39:45 -0300
>Subject: Re: Clock...
.
.
.
>Well, a few years ago for 29.95, I bought a quartz conversion for my 71
>tic toc tac borg clock from the perrenial J.C. and the boys.  I changed
>it out, and it's been running fine, and keepin' time, since 1992!
>
>Mike Rothe

Hey Mike,

Was the replacement of the clock in the Tic Toc Tac reversable?
I would love to put a quartz clock in my TTT, but I would prefer the
option of going back to a mechanical clock if the spirit moves me.
- --
Brett Chaveriat                                    Arlington Hts, IL
mailto:brett@mcs.com

72 Cutlass Supreme Convt. (Radiant Green)
96 Impala SS (black)

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:56:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Spare Wheel

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> Bryan,
>
> Do you still have the build sheet?  You can look up and see just which wheel
> you should have on the car.  Otherwise, sounds like you have the SSIIIs.
>  They should be 14x7 and have bolt on center caps.
>
> Duane

Duane,

I don't think I have the build sheet, we just bought the car.  I'm only
17 so I don't know alot yet.  What do you mean by a bolt on the center
cap?

Bryan

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 01:42:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Junkyard find - '64 442

Where are you located?

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:02:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Original oil pan drain plug & tool

Daren,

I have asked this question of others with Oldsmobiles of the same era, with
no joy in the responses. As your vehicle (do I remember you saying that yours
was in peices?) is more or less the 'good' twin of mine (ocean mist) this
question is especially pertinent to you as well.

Is the original oil pan still on your car? If so do you have the appropriate
tool to open the drain plug?

Let me explain. I bought mine more than a year ago. The first thing that I
tried to do with it was change the oil. I was promptly stymied by the fact
that I could not hope to open the drain plug. I initially assumed it was the
appropriate female plug corresponding with a substantially large tor-ex (TM)
bit. I even made a 'casting' with a candle to help me find the right size bit
(still have candle). I have been to a good mechanic and several Craftsman
stores, no tor-ex bit is that big. Furthermore, (arrgh, I can not find it
now) whereas tor-ex bits are six-sided (I think), the necessary tool would be
eight sided. Ultimately I had to replace the oil pan. I had not yet gotten
any reproduction catalogues so the first appropriate oil pan I could find was
a chrome one  through Forest City Auto Parts. Others (some on the olds list)
have stated that they just used the 1/2" drive of a socket wrench to open the
plug. I have kept the original pan and will one day use it again if I can
find the appropriate tool. Even if I have to build it myself! I would
appreciate your input/comments to my ravings. Thanks.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88  (Soylent Ocean Mist)
Chicago, IL

"That's the spirit. Never trust anyone over thirty [who doesn't drive an
oldsmobile]."
                         ----Taylor,     Planet of the Apes

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 02:39:10 -0300
Subject: NON OLDS Re: Castor oil...

In a message dated 97-04-13 19:35:05 EDT, you write:

>
>  WWI aero engines used Castor bean oil, and one of my uncles in WWI, and he
>  said that it had a very interesting smell when it was hot too.
>
>  This is just one of those curiosities.
>
>  The Wiz
>
Wiz,
Are you referring to the oil which, under normal operating conditions,
generated the characteristic white 'smoke' from the WWI era rotary (as
opposed to radial) engines of aeroplanes which included Sopwiths?

Karl wonders at the Wiz's knowledge.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Because, because, because, because, because.
Because what a wonderful Wiz he was.

------------------------------

From: Jeff Ferraro <jtf4227@unix.tamu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 03:47:47 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

> >"AMC built a car that SORT OF competed"???? .....   Drive an 68-70 AMX
> >390 sometime :)
> >
> >
> As I recall the AMX did not have a back seat.  It's been 20-25 years since I
> was in one, so that part may be a bit hazy; but it was the 2 seaters aspect
> that I was refering too as 'sort of' as it would only 'sort of' compete with
> a 4 place car.
>
> The Wiz


in that respect, yes - the car is only a two seater- sorry, but
otherwise...??? :)

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From: scotthensley@juno.com (Scott W Hensley)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:05:31 -0300
Subject: Re: "She Wore a Raspberry Buret" (WAS head games)

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 01:16:12 -0300 "Robert J. Barry"
<rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU> writes:
At 11:34 PM 4/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>
>Actually, an accurate turkey-baster would work just fine; anyone got
>one
>graduated in cc's?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
 Go to your local pharmacy, grocery store and look in the baby section.
Look for the medicine applicators. They should have either a large
dropper or graduated cylinder with a pour top that will work nicely. I
can not locate mine right now but they are cheap and measure metric and
english. They go up to seems like two tablespoons / 30 ml. At least you
won't have to count drops.

If I read my chem book right 1 ml is equal to 1 cubic cm.


Scott Hensley
80 Delta 88 / 455 Rocket

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:50:14 -0300
Subject: Electric Choke...

I am about to wire up a electric choke on my '72. Anyone out there done
this before? If so, where did you hook up the lead? I can do this just
about anywhere as I have a typical jerry-rigged and butchered wiring
harness of vintage 25 years old. I'm just wondering if there is a
"proper" spot to splice... I think a new harness should be in the budget
for summer of '98.

Thanks in Advance,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:22:38 -0300
Subject: Re: NON OLDS Re: Castor oil...

At 02:39 AM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-04-13 19:35:05 EDT, you write:
>
>>
>>  WWI aero engines used Castor bean oil, and one of my uncles in WWI, and he
>>  said that it had a very interesting smell when it was hot too.
>>
>>  This is just one of those curiosities.
>>
>>  The Wiz
>>
>Wiz,
>Are you referring to the oil which, under normal operating conditions,
>generated the characteristic white 'smoke' from the WWI era rotary (as
>opposed to radial) engines of aeroplanes which included Sopwiths?
>
>Karl wonders at the Wiz's knowledge.
>
>Karl Aune
>1965 Dynamic 88
>Chicago, IL
>
>Because, because, because, because, because.
>Because what a wonderful Wiz he was.
>
>
>
Yes, and I think they used it in their inline engines too.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 09:25:39 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

At 03:47 AM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> >"AMC built a car that SORT OF competed"???? .....   Drive an 68-70 AMX
>> >390 sometime :)
>> >
>> >
>> As I recall the AMX did not have a back seat.  It's been 20-25 years since
I >> was in one, so that part may be a bit hazy; but it was the 2 seaters
aspect >> that I was refering too as 'sort of' as it would only 'sort of'
compete with >> a 4 place car. >> >> The Wiz > > >in that respect, yes - the
car is only a two seater- sorry, but >otherwise...??? :) > > And in
retrospect, while I believe the AMX is out of the pony car league, it
certainly qualified as a 'muscle car.'  I think that whoever limited 'muscle
cars' to 400ci, they should really started with the <> 400 ci engines, as
there are several engines in the 390ci range that certainly should have
qualified their cars.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Kenneth G. Holland Jr." <rottin@coil.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:43:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
> diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?


Yeah, they can run backwards.. A good example would be too tell him to
watch the movie called "Sand Pebble".  Besides being a great movie it
also
shows the engine room of an old Naval ship alot.  A little Korean guy
gets caught
in the crankshaft and they run it in reverse to get him out. :)

former Machinist's Mate Petty Office 2nd Class
       Kenneth G. Holland Jr.
       USS Dale CG-19

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:56:33 -0300
Subject: Carlisle

Went to Carlisle yesterday and actually saw more Olds stuff there than I
have before.  Fair number of Cutlai from '69 to '71, mostly number 3
cars priced about $9K-$10K!  442s from '64, '65, '67, '68, '69, '70 and
'71.  A 70 Cutlass S W31.  2 '64 98s, both ~extremely~ clean (i.e.
nmumber 2 cars) for around $5K.  And a lot of parts.  Prices for the
most part were crazy, $350-$400 for a tic toc tach, $850 for a beat '70
OAI hood, $1500 for a pair of NOS '71-'72 fenders.  Found an aluminum
intake for a W31 (damn, I wanted one for my 455).  I did get a set of
decklid 442 numerals for $15 though as well as a '71 442 ad.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: mtpoole <mtpoole@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 11:09:59 -0300
Subject: BUICK OLD PONTIAC  MAGAZINE

LOOKING FOR A COPY OF BUICK OLDS PONTIAC COLLECTORS GUID  MONTHLY  FROM
JUNE 1993   ON THE COVER IS 1970 WHITE CUTLASS SX
THE MAGAZINE IS NO LONG IN PRINT

THANK YOU
MICHAEL POOLE

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 11:53:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Spare Wheel

Bryan;

The 14x7 SS wheels came with two types of center caps; the original style had
a center cap held on with machine screws; the second type had a center cap
held on from behind with a plastic retainer.  If the wheels are original, or
if whoever put them on was nice, you should have the center caps that are
held on with the machine screws.

Look for the build sheet underneath the rear seat cushion, or under the
driver's side carpeting.  I am not a whiz with build sheets, but there are
plenty of people out here that have walked me through mine.

Duane
1970 Cutlass Supreme ragtop

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From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:12:23 -0300
Subject: Re: 75 olds cutluss s

On Fri, 18 Apr 1997 23:16:36 -0300 you wrote:
Subject: 75 olds cutlass s

i recently purchased above vehicle.it is a 124 special new england
edition(badge on trunklid).if anyone knows what this edition is all about or
have heard of it,any info would be greatly appreciated...thanks....please
respond to DJV442@AOL.COM

Hi:

If my memory is correct the car you have was a mid-year regional madketing
package.  There were 124 dealers in the New England zone at the time, so
thats where the name came from

The package was a padded vinyl (sp) roof with the rear quarter windows
blocked out, if I remember correctly and was only offered on the Cutlass S,
not the Supreme.

I don't recall any other differences except for badging

Hope this helps!

Elephant Engine Ernie

67-442
50 -88

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:19:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 installed (cross-member)

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997 J2RKT@aol.com wrote:

>        Howdee  Folks,
>                                Well.... i got my 455 installed in my 67 F85
> and i discovered a few things along the way that might be of interest to a
> few of you out there.  If there is something that is peculiar to my car it
> would be interesting to know.
>   Second, for some reason the the transmission crossmember bolt holes in the
> frame just barely don't line up with the TH400 tranny mount ; they cause the
> tranny mount to bump againt the crossmember which prevents you/me from
> threading the tranny mount bolts.

Actually, when I went to a turbo 400 in my cutlass, what I did was cut
the piece with the bolt-hole off the cross-member and weld it on the
other side, this seemed to work perfect, leaving the cross-member in the
Original position.

>       Sixth, the driveshaft from the Delta Royale is the same length as the
> driveshaft that was installed in the F85 with the TH350 transmission, anyway
> from the looks of it i will need to have that shortened about 3 1/2".
>       I think that's about it for now.

Duct tape, hacksaw, scalpel: surgery time!

.....Shameless but short self-promo sig file Version 2.0.....
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard of olds's: Current count : 5 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
.....End of self-promo                                  .....

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:20:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

At 01:12 AM 4/20/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
>diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?
>
>My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
>either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>
>The Wiz
>
>
Wiz

        I know they make a reversable diesel engine. I'm an acoustics expert
for the US Navy. We do acoustic analysis on submarine, suface ship diesel
engines, gas turbines and steam turbines. It is no longer common pratice to
use this type of engine. The units that used a reversable engine directly
drove the propeller shaft and had no gearing system to reverse the motion of
the ship. So they used a reversable engine. Koloma was a Russian
manufacturer that made a few of these types. The principle was to completely
stop the engine and using two different starter type motors rotate it in the
opposite direction to reverse. Can't other wise go into too many details.
Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:39:12 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass & katana name...

In a message dated 97-04-19 04:28:10 EDT, you write:

<< Yeah, they're impressive, I'll openly give them that, but I just
personally
 don't trust them that highly (Old times, I know, but...) and I'd still
 prefer my comforts, etc.  That, and I ~know~ if I ever actually drove one,
 I'd be hooked on the extreme acceleration, and start ~another~ costly hobby,
 and end up killing myself trying to hit 225 mph on first street...  This I
 already know! :)  Soooooo, I just don't give myself the chance to start into
it.

              Charley Buehner >>

Yeah, they are very addictive if speed is something you like.  The forces
during acceleration, braking, and turning (leaning over) are quite different
from a car, and that's where a good majority of the fun can come from.

Chris Ruper

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 12:41:20 -0300
Subject: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

OL>Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
OL>diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?

OL>My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
OL>either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.

OL>The Wiz

My boss has a 31' cruiser that has two 327 chevy's(gas). One run goes in
the normal direction the other runs backwards.

Daren

O.C.A ª23571
daren@qconline.com

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:09:44 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

OL>I have both a 390 '69 AMX-4 speed & a '72 401 AMX 4-speed.  My '68
OL>4-speed 442 convertible must work to run w/them.  I wouldn't hazzard to
OL>guess which is more fun.

OL>Bill Culp
OL>Decatur, Alabama

I don't know for sure but I would guess that the AMX's are about
600-700lb. lighter than the 442 conv. which would explain why the 442
has to work harder to keep up with them. Don't get me wrong though the
AMX is a very cool car!

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:17:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.

Some fiberglass manufactures offer two kinds of panels light and heavy
weight. The light is generally used for racing and not as good looking.
The heavier is usually better looking.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:48:40 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Delta  codes

- ----------
> From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 66 Delta  codes
> Date: Friday, April 18, 1997 7:16 PM
>
>
> R is the code for Target Red paint.  1 is the convertible top code.  My
> manual doesn't list the codes, just the colors, but I'm fairly sure that
1
> is for white.
>
> They didn't list a whole lot of accessory codes on those plates.  I have
a
> few on my '67, one of which I think is A/C, another one I think is power
> windows.  These are codes the factory needed to make changes to the body
> for the options to be installed.  Tilt/telescope and power seat are
> bolt-in options and probably wouldn't have shown up on the tag.
>
> Paul Hartlieb
> plh@leba.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Thanks Paul.... you cleared up several things I was wondering about. The
car is red with a white top, parchment interior, and black carpet. I didn't
know how much if any stuff had been changed over the years..... according
to your info it is all like it left the factory.... except for the 73 350
some one put in it. Since I don't have a 425 I am rebuilding a 455 to put
in it. What color was the original engine? It is now gold  Thanks for the
help. You guys are sure sharp on this Olds stuff.
Walter

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:05:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Diff gears rationale

Okay, maybe I am just stupid (or really tired).

I have just been reading all of the notes from the 15th and 16th about
cracking open the diff to count gears, as well as the
counting-the-driveshaft-revolutions method.

What I learned; for a 2.93 the driveshaft spins thrice for a single tire
revolution, whereas for a 3.42 it spins a further half revolution for the
same amount of tire rotation. Thus the2.93:1 and 3.42:1.

What then is the advantage of a higher differential gear ratio?

A) Would not the higher ratio cause the same tire travel but at higher RPM or
higher gear?

B) Is it that the higher gear requires a lesser amount of torque through the
driveshaft?

C) Would not an engine that puts out a sufficient amount of torque be better
off with a lower gear ratio?

Anxious to learn the ABC's of differential gears.


Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago,IL

Darn it, now I absolutely to go hunting for that @!ª%& axle code!

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:10:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 7040250 Carb

In a message dated 97-04-16 00:39:34 EDT, you write:

>
>  Anybody have a 7040250 Rochester for sale?
>
>  Mike
>  66 442
>  69 H/0
>  70 W30
>  71 442 convt
>
I am a little number-hazy right now. Is this the Q-jet or 4bbl. I have a 2bbl
I would feel good about parting with.....

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 14:27:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

> My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
> either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>
> The Wiz

I suppose a gear driven oil pump isn't used on a reversible engine.  What
do they use to provide pressurized lubrication?

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:37:49 -0300
Subject: give me a break

O.K. olds dudes! When changing to discs from drum brakes on a 64 A
body.....do I keep the original vacum booster? Is there different
manufacturers of master cyl? Witch master has a residual pressure valve in
it for the front brakes?I have limited room for a large vac boost. And do I
use a distribution valve, comination valve, or a porportional valve, and
should it have a brake failure switch in it when my car isn't wired for it?
No prejuidice intended to sex or vehicle but.......
Why is a woman like an oldsmobile?
You have to start to working on them on tuesday if you want to ride them on
saturday.
( yes girls you can switch it the other way)
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:38:11 -0300
Subject: 455 installed -- Update

     Hello again folks,
                                I spent almost all of yesterday installing
the passenger side headder on my F85.  I did end up moving the braking system
junction box up ward about 1/2" and the headder needed some reshaping right
at the cross member on the ª3 primary tube so that the engine could come all
the way down, and the ª 3 primary tube needed another little bit of reshaping
because it came down right behind the lower control arm rear bushing mount.
 The best part is that the starter motor has more room around it than a small
block Chevy!!!  After all of the hub bub about starter motor clearance with
headders, i was really suprised,  there is about an inch of room in all
directions all the way around the starter motor in fact it wouldn't be any
trouble to wire up the solendoid with the starter installed.
    Now i have a really old set of big block headders that will fit the 64/72
 F85 bodied cars that have a four speed set up,  How do i know this ????
  Well the headders came off of my high school car (may she rest in peace)
wich was equipped with a four speed, i wonder if i should send them to a
headder manufacturer for a pattern, ive never seen a set of 4 speed headders
advertised for sale, eh mebbe not,

                     J2RKT@aol.com

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:41:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

I had a motor bike that if you pushed it backwards, in gear, it would start
in reverse. It was two stroke wich is probably the same as the diesel motor
you speak of.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 05:53:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

> My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
>> either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>>
>> The Wiz
>
>I suppose a gear driven oil pump isn't used on a reversible engine.  What
>do they use to provide pressurized lubrication?

Maybe dry sump with a reversing valve?

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 15:51:08 -0300
Subject: Re: AM FM stereo

There is a guy that makes all the swap meets in our area that converts am
to am/fm. The radio looks completely original when he is done with it. I
used to have his card if anyone is interested I will try to find it.
Walter

- ----------
> From: Kabootski@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: AM FM stereo
> Date: Saturday, April 19, 1997 10:17 PM
>
> I would also be interested in an AM-FM radio for my '70 Cutlass, simply
> because I went absolutely batty driving the car back 5 hours to Chicago
with
> nothing but talk radio.
>
> Duane
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible (that can only get Rush Limbaugh and
WGN)
>

------------------------------

From: jay <jay@buseng.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:08:55 -0300
Subject: VistaCruiser For Sale ('72 / $600 / Coastal Georgia)

A young man has a '72 VistaCruiser for sale in Brunswick, Georgia,
next to St. Simons Island/Jekyll Island, etc., between Savannah and
Jacksonville, Florida.

I drove by it 10+ times but could only stop one night for a quick look.
Body appears quite solid, glass appears intact, interior kinda ratty. But
for those of you who admire the design (which is very handsome), it
might be a good buy.  Color is green.

The car apparently was used by a number of staff or students at the local
FLETC (Federal Law Enforcement Training Center) as a local "beater".
It has a 350 and allegedly runs well.  He's asking $600.

If interested, call Wes Cox @ 912-638-1100.


_|_|_|_|  Jay Honeycutt
_|_|_|_|  Business Engineering
_|_|_|_|  244 Madison Avenue ª182
_|_|_|_|  New York, NY 10016
_|_|_|_|  212-749-3000
_|_|_|_|  212-927-3036 fax
_|_|_|_|  jay@buseng.com

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From: Bryan Bodine <bbodine@matrix.uti.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:31:01 -0300
Subject: Re: AM FM stereo

jones wrote:
>
> There is a guy that makes all the swap meets in our area that converts am
> to am/fm. The radio looks completely original when he is done with it. I
> used to have his card if anyone is interested I will try to find it.
> Walter
>
> ----------
> > From: Kabootski@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: AM FM stereo
> > Date: Saturday, April 19, 1997 10:17 PM
> >
> > I would also be interested in an AM-FM radio for my '70 Cutlass, simply
> > because I went absolutely batty driving the car back 5 hours to Chicago
> with
> > nothing but talk radio.
> >
> > Duane
> > 1970 Cutlass Supreme convertible (that can only get Rush Limbaugh and
> WGN)
> >
I am extremely interested.

Bryan Bodine
bbodine@matrix.uti.com
'70 Cutlass S W-31 (My Dads)
'71 442 (Mine)

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 10:50:52 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars

Daren@qconline.com wrote:
>
> OL>I have both a 390 '69 AMX-4 speed & a '72 401 AMX 4-speed.  My '68
> OL>4-speed 442 convertible must work to run w/them.  I wouldn't hazzard to
> OL>guess which is more fun.
>
> OL>Bill Culp
> OL>Decatur, Alabama
>
> I don't know for sure but I would guess that the AMX's are about
> 600-700lb. lighter than the 442 conv. which would explain why the 442
> has to work harder to keep up with them. Don't get me wrong though the
> AMX is a very cool car!
>
> Daren
>
> O.C.A. ª23571
> daren@qconline.com


Daren,

My '69 AMX is supposed to weigh 2097lbs, the '72 AMX at 3149lbs, & the
'68 442 convertible at 3550lbs.  That does make a vast difference.
Weight doesn't explain why my '62 Jetfire at 2744lbs keeps up w/4 barrel
'66 mustangs at 2488lbs.  Of course those '67 Toronado's weigh 4357lbs.
None of these figures count accessories, gas, driver, etc - only
shipping weight.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 17:21:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Vallejo?

At 08:18 PM 4/19/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Christian Fair wrote:
>>
>> I think I may go up to Vallejo to the swap meet tomorrow. Anyone
>> else going? I don't usually go to these things, but thought it would
>> be fun to go. I'll get my mail tonight so I look forward to your private
>> replies  to  cfair@fairisaac.com. Hope to see some of you all there.
>>
>> cf
>What city and state is this swap meet in????????????????????

I think that Vallejo is in California.



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

------------------------------

From: Jerry Chrostek <jchroste@pond.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 14:31:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone Going to Vallejo?

10-4 on that Dan,

Jerry in Oregon (ex-Californian)

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 18:39:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Junkyard find - '64 442

>Where are you located?
>
>
Boise, Idaho
Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:20:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Carlisle

At 10:56 AM 4/20/97 -0300, Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>Went to Carlisle yesterday and actually saw more Olds stuff there than I
>have before.  Fair number of Cutlai from '69 to '71, mostly number 3
>cars priced about $9K-$10K!  442s from '64, '65, '67, '68, '69, '70 and
>'71.  A 70 Cutlass S W31.  2 '64 98s, both ~extremely~ clean (i.e.
>nmumber 2 cars) for around $5K.  And a lot of parts.  Prices for the
>most part were crazy, $350-$400 for a tic toc tach, $850 for a beat '70
>OAI hood, $1500 for a pair of NOS '71-'72 fenders

Wow! $1500 for fenders. Damn maybe I better think again about the value of
this 72 Cutlass Supreme I have setting in the salvage yard, it has rust free
original fenders, they gotta be worth $2,000 :-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2
89 Mustang GT: Blue, 5.0, M5, many mods...12.78@111mph
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 20:26:35 -0300
Subject: Re: give me a break

My appologies for the tasteless joke, it won't happen again.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: "mcfrlan@bconnex.net" <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:10:39 -0300
Subject: Lead

Hello again. A freind of mine wants to sell his car so I thought I'd
list it here and maybe someone might be interseted. Anways the car is as
follows: A 1963 Oldsmobile Holiday Super 88, 4dr Htp, air, 78000miles,
and it's burgundy. He was looking for $8000.00 Canadian Currency and his
name is Eric Edsall, you can reach him at (705)385-3283. Well that's
about it for now!

Cliff McFarlane, OCAª022782
63 Olsmobile Starfire htp.
62 Olsmobile Starfire Conv.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 16:02:38 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> If this is your first car, Bill, you will have a LOT of mistakes...

Kabootski,

This is not my first car even though it seems that way.  Mistakes is
just one of my lovable characteristics.  Which do you think will cause
me to make the most mistakes?

1928 Model A roadster pickup
1949 Studebaker Champion convertible
1955 Studebaker President hardtop
1955 Ford Victoria (2)
1956 Lincoln Premiere hardtop (2)
1961 Lincoln Continental sedan
1962 Oldsmobile Jetfire
1962 Dodge Polara 500 convertible
1963 Pontiac Grand Prix
1963 Avanti R2
1963 Chrysler New Yorker sedan
1963 Lincoln Continental convertible
1963 Dodge Polara 500 convertible
1967 Toronado
1968 Oldsmobile 442 convertible
1969 AMX
1970 Buick GS 455 hardtop
1972 Javelin AMX
1989 Chrysler LeBaron convertible (daily car)

If you guessed the Avanti, you'd be right.  I love it anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 21:59:51 -0300
Subject: AM/FM Parts & Repair

Hello all,

I just picked up an AM/FM stereo at Carlisle.  The guy I bought it from
assured me it worked.  Well, I put it in on saturday and it worked all
right, but just barely.  The AM side didn't work at all and the FM side even
with the volume on full could barely be heard with the engine off, however
the 8 track worked just fine.  I am thinking off using Year One's stock
radio rebuild service.  Does anyone have any experience with this or other
radio repair services.  Also I'm sorry I didn't get to see any of you.
Maybe at summer or fall Carlisle we should set a time for each day to meet
at the OCA "booth".

Thanks,

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30 (still AM-8 track)

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From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:21:58 -0300
Subject: Looking For A 1972 442

I know this is a real shot in the dark, but I wonder if my first car still
exists. It was a 1972 442 (not W-30 but 455), ram air, viking
blue/white/white.  VIN ª3G87U2R140502.  Last known to be in Kansas City, MO
area.  Anybody got it?
Thanks,

Dan442Olds@aol.com

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:23:31 -0300
Subject: Stereo radio parts

Hi again,

I forget to mention that I needed both the knobs and the tone and fader dials
for the AM/FM stereo I picked up at Carlisle.  I believe any AM or AM FM
70-72 with fader will work.  If anyone has any they would like to sell or
know where I might purchase them please let me know.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:36:34 -0300
Subject: Re: AM/FM Parts & Repair

These Delco radios are apparently pretty simple to repair if you know
electronics. I have been lucky with a little independent radio repair shop
here in town (he sells CB and ham gear, burglar alarms, small appliances,
a little bit of everything; I'm sure most towns have someplace similar). I
have taken both my radios and my 8-track to this place since none of them
worked when I got them. In no case was it anything serious. I think one
cost $15.00 to repair, another $40; I remember the 8-track cost $29 for
new belts, adjustment and bench testing. I figure this is the deal of the
century.

Anyway, my point is that the Year One service, while possibly very
comprehensive, may be a lot more than what you need and is probably
expensive. If there's a local shop in your area give them a call. It may
save you some $$.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:38:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Fiberglass - opinion requested.

On Sat, 19 Apr 1997, shoover wrote:

> I want to replace the front fenders on my Cutlass, one has hail dings
> and the other is rusted at the bottom. The only place I have found new
> fenders is Oldsmobile USA and they only have the left one for $400!

What a bargain.  I saw one at Carlisle on Saturday for $600.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:44:41 -0300
Subject: 68 wanted

wanted 68 442 decent driving condition, rust free, under $4500.
prefer original cond. Please send info, and photos.
- -southern WI
                 http.//hanthorn@inwave.com

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:51:12 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Delta  codes

On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, jones wrote:
> Since I don't have a 425 I am rebuilding a 455 to put in it. What color
> was the original engine? It is now gold  Thanks for the help. You guys
> are sure sharp on this Olds stuff.
> Walter

425s and early 455s were painted red and the air clearners were an
orange/red, definately a different shade from the engine.  I've seen too
many cars where the engine and air cleaners are painted the same color.
Try not to make that mistake.  Later 455s are painted blue.

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:52:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Naval Motor Ships: Non-Olds(short)

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> Any one on this list have any Naval motor ship experience, with reversable
> diesel engines, instead of geared reverse or diesel-electric drive?
>
> My ex-across the street neighbor doesn't believe that engines can run in
> either direction, and we have been having a running e-mail battle over it.
>
> The Wiz


Wiz,

The engines you are talking about are tugboat/small craft engines, built
in the 60's.  They are Fairbanks-Morse (owned by Colt Industries, who
also owns Holley) 8 1/8" bore opposed piston engines, normally of the 6
cylinder variety, but could be 8, or even 12! (6 cylinder was 920 HP @
720 rpm!!!).  The starting mechanism linkage would spin the engine to
start in either direction, and also change the camshaft (for the
injectors, since it had no valves) and crank timing depending on the
direction the engine was started.  I served 11 years in the U.S. Navy
submarine force, but I was an instructor for 4 years on the
Fairbanks-Morse diesel engine operation and maintenance.

Does this help?  The other guy is wrong.....sorry to say.

Mike Rothe

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:03:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Carlisle

On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Jason Labay wrote:

> Wow! $1500 for fenders. Damn maybe I better think again about the value of
> this 72 Cutlass Supreme I have setting in the salvage yard, it has rust free
> original fenders, they gotta be worth $2,000 :-)

Something else I say at Carlisle, at the place that had the $850 Ram Air
hood, a pair of '70 to '72 convertible 1/4s, cut off and all rusted up.
$350... The sign said "once NOS"...

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 23:07:39 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

On Sun, 20 Apr 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:

> If you guessed the Avanti, you'd be right.  I love it anyway.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

I did!  I did!  What do I win?

2nd guess would have been one of the Lincoln Convertibles

3rd guess would have been the Jetfire with the turbocharger

Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 22:13:36 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Delta  codes

OL>425s and early 455s were painted red and the air clearners were an
OL>orange/red, definately a different shade from the engine.  I've seen too
OL>many cars where the engine and air cleaners are painted the same color.
OL>Try not to make that mistake.  Later 455s are painted blue.

OL>Paul Hartlieb
OL>plh@leba.net
OL>'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
OL>'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Low compression 425s had black air cleaners like my '65s.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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