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oldsmobile-digest          Wednesday, 7 May 1997       Volume 01 : Number 650

steering wheel
Re: Strange Noises / Shifters
Lights
Re: T-3 Headlight info
Clutch linkage - 73 442
Re: Strange Noises / Shifters: Preignition
mufflers
Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set
Carb question
Re: Calling out for 50's owners
Re: T-3 Headlight info
Hurst Aero
Preignition
Re: T-3 Headlight info
No Pics yet
Re: Calling out for 50's owners
50's owners -- Want to become one?
Upcoming event...
Re: Carb question
Re: Carb question
Re: 70 delta 88 convertible
Re: Calling out for 50's owners
Fel- Pro Gasket Set
Re: T-3 Headlight info
Re: mufflers
Re: T-3 Headlight info
Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set
Re: G-body interior chrome
Ideal Q-jet
Rear-end
Super Summit V show this weekend
Re: Rear-end
Re: G-body interior chrome
Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)
Re: Rear-end
68 Differential Codes
air cleaner
Re: mufflers
Re: Hurst Aero
Re: G-body interior chrome
Re: Answers: 83-4 H/O & 85-7 442 Exhaust (Long)
Re: mufflers
Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set
Re Vista Cruiser Scripts
Re: Stolen 442
Re: 70 delta 88 convertible
Re: mufflers
Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)
Re: 70 delta 88 convertible
Re: steering wheel
Re: 70 delta 88 convertible
Whoa.  Wanta see something strange?
Re: 1982 Delta Royale Brougham
NOS Mouldings For Sale (5/7)
Shop Manual Information
Re: Whoa.  Wanta see something strange?
Re: mufflers
Re: mufflers
Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:15:58 -0300
Subject: steering wheel

Does anybody know a place where I find a good steering wheel for my '70
442.

Sorry about sending the welcome message the first time.

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 20:32:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Strange Noises / Shifters

At 08:00 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>  Howdee folks,
>                        My Olds has picked up a strange noise as of late,
> it's kind of like pebbles rattling around in a can but it's muted,

This description ~really~ reminds me of spark knock/preignition.  What was
the engine temp when this happens?  How about load conditons?  What kind of
fuel are you using?  The common problems/cures for a spark knock is engine
too hot, fuel octane too low, or ignition to far advanced.  It's usually
under heavy load that it is the worst.  The "book style" description for
this sound is "BB's in a coffee can"  Gotta be close!  :)

Good luck!  Spark knock, if allowed to go on for too long, can be very
damaging to pistons.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:23:08 -0300
Subject: Lights

O.K., I got one for you!  Why wouldn't my 69 442 start when I had the head
lights on? As soon as I turned off the lights the car started.  With the
lights on,  it dosen't seem to get power (not even a click).  Help, any
ideas?

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 11:30:23 -0300
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlight info

Charley Buehner wrote:

> What's the big story with these headlights?  (aside from being
> original equipment)  Are they date coded, or model specific or anything?

Charley,

Aside from being original headlights, they suck! Unless you are putting the
car into a show for points, take em out and get halogens!

> How valuable/rare are they?

I have a whole trash can full of them! I hate those damn orange, low light
emitting, power sucking headlamps!

>  The '66 Toro I just bought (don't have it home
> yet, but I ~do~ have the receipt, at least!) has three of them, and I ran
> across two or three more out there.

Do what you want. I hear you can get 5-10 bucks for them in good shape.
Personally, it's not worth the hassel for me.

It's better to see good than to look good! (Fernando Llamas ala Billy Crystal)

> Anyone want to shed some more light on
> this subject (boo, hiss...  Bad pun, sorry!)

Yes..that was bad...very bad!!   (:

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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From: "Drew K. Bengert" <dk.bengert@sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:03:31 -0300
Subject: Clutch linkage - 73 442

I am looking for a complete clutch pedal and linkage for a 1973 Cutlass
442.

Thanks

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:20:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Strange Noises / Shifters: Preignition

  Nope engine does the funny noise even when i first start it --  i do plan
to retard the timing a little bit anyway though cause the engine starts to
idle a little bit rough when it does get warmed up -- not rough like chug
chug chug but more like a little bit of lean idle fuel mixture miss or just a
little bit too much ignition lead.
  I wonder if anybody has noticed that if you do get into a detonation
situation even if you can't hear it there will be black puffs of smoke coming
from the exhaust and you will feel slight dips in the ecceleration curve when
you romp on it.  That is assuming the car is fully warmed up and the choke is
off.

                J2RKT@aol.com

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@FastLane.NET>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:31:19 -0300
Subject: mufflers

Are glass or steel packs worth it? How much do they cost? Or should I
just keep the regular mufflers on my '70 442 455ci?

thanks,
  RS
'70 442

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:38:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set

  I really really don't want to make a cut to Mondello equipment -- so i'll
just give fair warning.  99.999% of Mondello equipment is of very good
quality but maaannn i bought a set of intake manifold gaskets from his
company and they were nearly unusable cheap paper port gaskets and poorly
trimmed cork end gaskets that didn't even fit right to begin with.

                                          J2RKT@aol.com

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@EROLS.COM>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:51:57 -0300
Subject: Carb question

Hi again,

Well the 442 has about 600 miles on it since I droped the motor in this
spring.  My problem is I think its running too rich.  There is a nice bit of
black carbon on the new exhaust trumpets and the car "bucks" or surges a
little when I'm cruising slow around the neighborhood, not quite as bad at
highway speeds.  The carb was recently rebuilt by a local olds small block
racer.  He said it had been rebuilt before.  Concerned about what jets and
metering rods were in it, I took it apart today.  The primary jets were ª58
and the secondary metering rods were AX, there are no primary metering rods.
The idle mixture screws when I took it apart today were backed out 3 turns
from lightly seated, I backed them out to 6 turns and it seems the "bucking"
has decreased a little.  Any suggestions.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30, 4-Speed

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@leba.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:53:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Calling out for 50's owners

On Tue, 6 May 1997, Dean Hodge wrote:

> Well you are not alone in regards to 50 model ownership.  I presently
> have a 54 Ols holiday 98 that I am partially restoring.

Hey, my mother had one of those as her first car.  "Power everything and
nothing worked" she remembers fondly.  Hers was white over green.

> I am looking for the A/C bos that goes in the trunk of the 54-56 so I
> can put and ait conditioner in the car.  Got any ideas.

That's gonna be tough.  They didn't have the A/C in the trunk after '54.
Starting in '55 it was through the dash.  '53s were in the trunk, too,
but they were a totally different body, so I doubt the parts interchange.
Looks like you're looking at a one year setup, and I'm sure you know it's
pretty rare.


Paul Hartlieb
plh@leba.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe (Aquamarine)
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible (Sunfire Yellow)

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:53:05 -0300
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlight info

At 08:07 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>     To all...  I'm not much on the ~original~ restoration category, but I
>remember some talking about finding the T3's, and still having the T3's,
>etc.  What's the big story with these headlights?  (aside from being
>original equipment)  Are they date coded, or model specific or anything?
>How valuable/rare are they?  The '66 Toro I just bought (don't have it home
>yet, but I ~do~ have the receipt, at least!) has three of them, and I ran
>across two or three more out there.  Anyone want to shed some more light on
>this subject (boo, hiss...  Bad pun, sorry!)

Charley,

I'm not sure of the exact time span, but T-3's were original equipment
headlights on GM cars from 1955 (or thereabouts) through the late 60s or
early 70s.  They were made by the Guide division of GM, and they have the
word "guide" molded into them, along with an inverted triangle and the
designation "T-3" in the middle.  I have a copy of the April 1957 issue of
Mechanix Illustrated, and there's nice full-page ad in there for the GUIDE
T-3 "Safety-Aim" Headlamps.

The reason (as far as I can tell) why everyone talks about them is because
they're an indication of originality, which some people go for.  I agree,
though, with everyone who dislikes them because they don't throw much
light. I replaced the four T-3 headlights on my '64 Olds with halogens, and
the difference was remarkable.  There are people who put halogens on their
cars when driving them, but keep a set of T-3's on hand to switch into
place before taking the car to a car show or cruise-in where it might be
judged.  Of course, I've never seen any judges actually _test_ the
headlights to see if they work.  For all they know, the ones there were put
on the car are just for show and don't work at all!


I would think that by now, with lots of other items being reproduced, some
headlight manufacturer would have bought the rights to the "T-3" logo and
put it on their halogen headlamps.  They'd have a big market, because T-3's
would have appeared on all GM cars for about a 15 year period (1955-1970?).
 That's a lot of cars.


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

------------------------------

From: Mike Siedlik <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:07:36 -0300
Subject: Hurst Aero

To All Of You interested to see pictures of a Hurst Areo I'm giving
some pictures to a friend of mine to scan.  Him or I will keep all of
you posted.

     Mike & Barb

1966 Track-Pac
1970 Ralley 350
1970 W-31
1970 W-30
1970 442 Pace Car
1986 Hurst Aero
1992 Achieva SCX

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:29:01 -0300
Subject: Preignition

>  I wonder if anybody has noticed that if you do get into a detonation
>situation even if you can't hear it there will be black puffs of smoke coming
>from the exhaust and you will feel slight dips in the ecceleration curve when
>you romp on it.  That is assuming the car is fully warmed up and the choke is
>off.

I'd never got too excited about spark knock at first.  When I dumped the
first big block in the Rockit, though, I ran around for a couple days with
no exhaust.  Straight manifolds, that's it.  I took 'er out to the lake one
day that way, and noticed a bit of an overheating problem.  I stayed there
till dark, (less heat load) and then came back to town, stopping every few
miles, etc.  It was pretty amazing when it'd start spark knocking, you could
see sparks bouncing on the highway for a good three seconds in the mirror!
Talk about an eye-openner!  Most of this stuff gets sidetracked in an
ordinary exhaust system, but with nothing to detain it, it comes out as pure
sparks and flame material (kinda technical sounding, huh?)  I got the
exhaust fixed the next day, and orderred the three row radiator that I still
run in it...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:29:04 -0300
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlight info

At 11:30 AM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Charley Buehner wrote:
>
>> What's the big story with these headlights?  (aside from being
>> original equipment)  Are they date coded, or model specific or anything?
>
>Charley,
>
>Aside from being original headlights, they suck! Unless you are putting the
car into a
>show for points, take em out and get halogens!
>
>> How valuable/rare are they?
>
>I have a whole trash can full of them! I hate those damn orange, low light
emitting,
>power sucking headlamps!

That's kinda always been my impression of the ~pre-halogens~ but I'd heard
someone say the T3's were worth $$$.  It's my firm belief that you can never
have too much light.  The Rockit has the four headlight system, and the low
beams are normal but halogens, the way GM intended to be.  When I click on
the high beams, the center pair (which I've switched to high/low beam bulbs)
comes on with both elements, and the outer ones switch to high (didn't want
to power both up, just for safety reasons -- If one headlight dies in a set
where they all are equally aged and used, they'll all likely die at the same
time, or relatively close, anyway) and the 6X9 Driving Lights (aka
"Don't-F**k-With-Me Lights" mounted behind the grill come on, too.  Anyone
remember our discussion of the newer F*rd truck headlights and how
annoyingly bright they are?  I've gotten my revenge on a couple that decided
not to dim theirs for me!  :)

My '67 Toro has ~one~ functional headlight.  It says Hella on the front.
It's mate is crushed.  It's high beam is dead.  The rest are dead, too.
Sure woulda been cool to have it's mate intact.  The GranSport coulda sure
used those :)

OK, so anyway, what you're saying is that it's not likely worth the time to
scavenge the other T3's out of the yard, unless I know some hopeless resto
fanatic that ~NEEDS~ them....  Anybody reading this fit the description ???
:)  Greg & I have some lights for ya...

Thanks Greg.  I won't get too excited about saving the rest of 'em from kids
with rocks :)

Later....


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:44:44 -0300
Subject: No Pics yet

     Bad news.  They didn't get my pictures back today (dammit!)  Should
have 'em by tomorrow.  I hope...  I had 'em Push process a set of em cuz
they were shot in the dark, so that may have caused a delay (even though it
only adds about 30 seconds to the developing stage, I'm pretty sure) Oh
well, I'll let ya all know when they get here...


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:38:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Calling out for 50's owners

I was just showing a friend my 50 88 when I discoverd an exhaust leak at the
header pipes.  Because the exhaust is new from the muffler back, I'd love to
find just the header pipes.  Fusick, and the other suppliers I've done
business with in the past list whole sysems, but not the seperate pipes.

Do any of you know of a source for these pipes?  The car has single
exhaust,but the header pipe is two seperate pipes.

Sure would appreciate any help!  Thanks

Elephant Engine Ernie

BigEJ@aol.com

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:50:21 -0300
Subject: 50's owners -- Want to become one?

At 09:53 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>On Tue, 6 May 1997, Dean Hodge wrote:
>
>> Well you are not alone in regards to 50 model ownership.  I presently
>> have a 54 Ols holiday 98 that I am partially restoring.
>

A local place here has a '53 Olds 98 (as I recall).  Seems to me they wanted
$800 for it.  Complete, but disassembled and rough.  I'll have pictures of
it hopefully tomorrow evening if anyone's interested.  No idea if there's an
AC unit in the trunk, but it ~does~ have the Autotronic Eye :)  (Thanks to
this list for helping me figure out what the heck that thing on the dash is!)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 21:57:26 -0300
Subject: Upcoming event...

OL>I was just looking through the upcoming events for the OCA, etc., and saw
OL>there was a "Spring Dust Off" coming up on May 17th at Finley Olds in South
OL> Beloit, Wi. that was sponsered by the Illinois, and Wisconsin chapters.
Ar OL>there any people on the list that are planning on being there?  It's
only OL>like 5 minutes from my place, so of course, I'll have to stop by.

OL>Chris Ruper

I've been thinking about going. I might have to work that day wont know
for sure till next Thursday
Karl are you going?

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:10:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

scott or sharon wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> Well the 442 has about 600 miles on it since I droped the motor in this
> spring.  My problem is I think its running too rich.  There is a nice bit of
> black carbon on the new exhaust trumpets and the car "bucks" or surges a
> little when I'm cruising slow around the neighborhood, not quite as bad at
> highway speeds.  The carb was recently rebuilt by a local olds small block
> racer.  He said it had been rebuilt before.  Concerned about what jets and
> metering rods were in it, I took it apart today.  The primary jets were ª58
> and the secondary metering rods were AX, there are no primary metering rods.
> The idle mixture screws when I took it apart today were backed out 3 turns
> from lightly seated, I backed them out to 6 turns and it seems the "bucking"
> has decreased a little.  Any suggestions.
>
> Scott Jerdan
> 70 W-30, 4-Speed

Scott,

6 turns is mucho.  3 is a normal beginning point & you should be close
there.

 There should be primary metering tods.  The car should run very, very
rich w/out them if it runs at all.  The primary metering rods are in the
front of the carb & are miniatures of the secondary ones.  They ride on
a spring loaded cylinder & stick into the jets located in the front
lower bowl.  I can't believe that they are missing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:19:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

At 09:51 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Hi again,
>
>Well the 442 has about 600 miles on it since I droped the motor in this
>spring.  My problem is I think its running too rich.  There is a nice bit of
>black carbon on the new exhaust trumpets and the car "bucks" or surges a
>little when I'm cruising slow around the neighborhood, not quite as bad at
>highway speeds.  The carb was recently rebuilt by a local olds small block
>racer.  He said it had been rebuilt before.  Concerned about what jets and
>metering rods were in it, I took it apart today.  The primary jets were ª58
>and the secondary metering rods were AX, there are no primary metering rods.
>The idle mixture screws when I took it apart today were backed out 3 turns
>from lightly seated, I backed them out to 6 turns and it seems the "bucking"
>has decreased a little.  Any suggestions.
>
>Scott Jerdan
>70 W-30, 4-Speed
>

Scott

        The problem is the carb sounds lean. Put the primary metering rods
back in the carb and install a minimum primary jet of 70 or 71. I run 74's
with primary metering rods and CC secondary mertering rods in my big block.
This gives the plugs a perfect light brown appearance. The only carb Olds
put on a car without primary metering rods were in W-31's. For good street
performance I would put them back in. The difference you noted at highway
speeds is because your at or near the transition off the primary to the
intermediate circuit of the cab and it becomes richer. My suggestions come
from my education at the GM tech school. I specialized in carbs and
hydramatics.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:22:13 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 delta 88 convertible

At 07:36 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I need quarter panels and bumpers for a 1970 delta 88 convertible.  If anyone
>knows where I can obtain these parts please let me know.
>  Thank You
>
Which bumpers do you need? Front or rear or both? The quarter panels are
going to be the hard one. You might want to get a Hemmings Motor News and
find a western salvage yard and have them cut off a nice one.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 18:25:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Calling out for 50's owners

Dean Hodge wrote:
>
> Well you are not alone in regards to 50 model ownership.  I presently
> have a 54 Ols holiday 98 that I am partially restoring.  I had previouly
> been drag racing the car since the mid 80's.  Today it is street legal
> and about to hit the street. I am looking for the A/C bos that goes in
> the trunk of the 54-56 so I can put and ait conditioner in the car.  Got
> any ideas.  2nd question have anyone seen a 3 dueces intake for a 50's
> model oldsmobile that I can buy, the one I had was stolen recently by
> someone who obviously thought it would fit on a modern car.
> Dean Hodge
>
Dean,

That AC will be a tough one.  My 1956 Lincoln Premeire hardtop has AC in
the trunk.  The vents are mounted on the rear fenders for air intake.
The AC exits through the rear package shelf & ductwork in the
headliner.  It works rather well, but the high & low pressure hoses
going all the way to the compressor in the engine compartment are an
expensive bugger.

I would advertise in JWO, search Hemmings for possible leads, & ask at
the car shows.  Lansing in August seems a must also.

I have a friend who may have a 3 duce set-up w/out carbs for one of
these.  I can ask.

Good luck
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 22:03:26 -0300
Subject: Fel- Pro Gasket Set

OL>Has anybody used Mondello's
OL>bolt-in valley pan,& if so what kindof  luck?

OL>                                  Thank's in advance.   Luke

If your talking about the one that covers lust the bottom of the valley
and lifters. I have one in a 425. Haven't ran the motor yet but the fit
is very good.

Daren

O.C.A. ª23571
daren@qconline.com

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:39:08 -0300
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlight info

Charley and Greg

                I'll take all the T-3's you care to send. Of course I'll pay
shipping.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:34:36 -0300
Subject: Re: mufflers

At 09:31 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Are glass or steel packs worth it? How much do they cost? Or should I
>just keep the regular mufflers on my '70 442 455ci?
>
>thanks,
>  RS
>'70 442
>
RS

        Glass or steel packs are ancient history. If you want a little
rumble and some performace go with Flowmasters or Walker Dynomax mufflers.
You'll love either one of them.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:52:19 -0300
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlight info

On Tue, 6 May 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:
> OK, so anyway, what you're saying is that it's not likely worth the time to
> scavenge the other T3's out of the yard, unless I know some hopeless resto
> fanatic that ~NEEDS~ them....  Anybody reading this fit the description ???
> :)  Greg & I have some lights for ya...
>
> Thanks Greg.  I won't get too excited about saving the rest of 'em from kids
> with rocks :)

Charley & Sparky,

Not so fast... I have a couple of guys here, resto-originality fanatics,
who will take all of the T-3s you can get off your hands. How much
they'll pay is another matter, but they would sure like them. They must
have a thing for dull yellow headlights and like to keep a supply in
inventory... when you're dealing with 25 year old bulbs I guess you need
to keep a good supply in stock. If you want to ship some this way, let me
know.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:47:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set

Does anybody happen to know the partª for a
> complete gasket kit for a 455?
KS 2613 is the engine replacement set. It works well for most folks.

------------------------------

From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:53:02 -0300
Subject: Re: G-body interior chrome

MROTHE wrote:
>
> I wrote this yesterday, but since there were e-mail problems, I am
> resubmitting this.
>
>
> > I was cleaning up my 85 442 the other day, and while I was in the back
> > seat, to my horror, I saw the chrome coming off both rear side panel
> > cloth insert trim.  I took one piece out, and took the trim off.  It had
> > to be gently pried off, due to it being heat-stamped/glued to the velour
> > insert.  The trim is still in excellent shape, except for what it looks
> > like the mylar/chrome is shedding off.  My question of need is, how can
> > I get these pieces re-chromed?  The trim is of a flexible-type plastic,
> > and I don't think standard plastic re-chroming would work.  I figure I'm
> > not the only one that has run into this, since the interior doesn't see
> > the sun very often, and hasn't in over 10 years.  The rest of the
> > interior remains mint.  ANY IDEAS??????
> >
> > Mike Rothe
Well Mike. The same thing happened to my 83 Hurst as has happened to
you. My chrome strips started coming of when I had brought out after a
winter storage. They began to flake and curl in and ugly fashion. Since
I have a few other interior problems I remove all of the flackey
material and chalked it up as another reason to restore the interior
Nick Lamboy
http://www.members.global2000.net/~nlamboy/

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:58:36 -0300
Subject: Ideal Q-jet

Hi everyone,

        Just thought this would be good to give everyone some ideas about
were to start when doing a Q-jet. Yes most factory settings were on the lean
side for emissions and such, but were pretty good base starting points.
First the idle mixture settings. Small blocks should use a base starting
point of 4 turns out from a light seat. Then using a vacuum gauge set for
the highest vacuum reading. That is exactly where you want them for throttle
response and drivability. Big blocks use the same technic but start a 6
turns on each. Yoiu should NEVER remove or mess with the primary metering
rods. Use the primary jets to adjust mixture. 68-69 should be used in a
stock small block. 70's are a good starting point for stock big blocks and
hotter small blocks. 74's are what you want to have for a healthy big block.
Now on to the secondary setup. AU or AX are good in small blocks all the way
up to a stock big block. Built big blocks you can start looking for CC, DS
or some other smaller rods. Now on to some modifications. With built engines
remove the vacuum pulloff hose and block at the carb. DO NOT block up the
diaphram of the pulloff. This will allow the engine bring in the secondaries
immediately. Bigger modified engines will take this without any trouble. Not
recommended for stock small blocks.  Then you want to make sure the
secondary doors are fully open when the throttle is to the floor. On the
secondary top plates open these with your finger and make sure that they are
open just slightly more that seeing the bent part of the plate straight up.
You can change this setting by bending the small arm of the pulloff rod
attachment point. Be careful not to go too far or break this off. This will
allow the air door to open more fully and it pulls the secondary rods
slightly further out of the fixed jets. If you are having bogging problems
an adjustment of the air door tension spring is needed. I will go into that
tomorrow.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 23:57:04 -0300
Subject: Rear-end

Last week there were posts about rear-end ratios that got me thinking. I
had no idea what gears were in my car. So today I had a little free time
and thought, I'll put the car on stands, spin the drive-shaft 10 times
and count how many times the tires turn, right? Well that's exactly what
I did. I counted 12, so I did it over a couple of times. A 13 and
another 12, no way. That's a 1.2?-1 ratio. So now I'm a little freaked
out. I went to the parts store picked up some gear oil came home and
pulled the cover off. What I saw was a Ring gear w/41 teeth and a Drive
pinion w/32 teeth. I didn't count the teeth on the Differential gears
but my guess now would be around 20 each. My Questions are, is this
really a 1.28 to 1 rear-end? What other rear gears were stock in 69 for
the 350/350? What ratio should I be looking for?
Anyway I went to put it back together and I was missing one piece, a new
gasket. Not an easy find. Finally NAPA of all places had one. I go
there, they dont have it they have some stuff I can 'cut-to-fit', No
thanks. I ended up using a liquid gasket, I don't remember the name but
its red, then I ordered two gaskets because I don't know what Axle I
have(HELP).

Thanks
Pat McDermott
69 Cutlass 'S'

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:26:14 -0300
Subject: Super Summit V show this weekend

Anyone in and around Ohio, Summit Racing is having their annual huge car
show "Super Summit V" this weekend the 9th and 10th.  I will be there Friday
and Saturday showing the 442. ESPN2 will be there taping the event for a
future show and profiling cars (might get lucky and have the 442 on the big
screen) Times are Friday 2-7 and Saturday 9-9.  I might get my car next to
Larry Nance's Pro Stock Olds "Catch 22"......lets hope :-) There is no
registration...just show up and show your car. If anyone is going let me know.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:39:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear-end

At 11:57 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Last week there were posts about rear-end ratios that got me thinking. I
>had no idea what gears were in my car. So today I had a little free time
>and thought, I'll put the car on stands, spin the drive-shaft 10 times
>and count how many times the tires turn, right? Well that's exactly what
>I did. I counted 12, so I did it over a couple of times. A 13 and
>another 12, no way. That's a 1.2?-1 ratio. So now I'm a little freaked
>out. I went to the parts store picked up some gear oil came home and
>pulled the cover off. What I saw was a Ring gear w/41 teeth and a Drive
>pinion w/32 teeth. I didn't count the teeth on the Differential gears
>but my guess now would be around 20 each. My Questions are, is this
>really a 1.28 to 1 rear-end? What other rear gears were stock in 69 for
>the 350/350? What ratio should I be looking for?
>Anyway I went to put it back together and I was missing one piece, a new
>gasket. Not an easy find. Finally NAPA of all places had one. I go
>there, they dont have it they have some stuff I can 'cut-to-fit', No
>thanks. I ended up using a liquid gasket, I don't remember the name but
>its red, then I ordered two gaskets because I don't know what Axle I
>have(HELP).
>
>Thanks
>Pat McDermott
>69 Cutlass 'S'
>

Pat

        What you probably counted with 32 teeth wer the side gears. If you
look at the ring gear it will have the numbers stamped on it for the ring
and the pinion. 41 is a good number for the ring. With this number on the
ring you have one of two gears in the car. A 2.56:1 (most common in a non
performance Cutlass) or a 3.42:1 ratio (common in 442's) If the rear is NOT
a anti-spin it is definetly a 2.56:1. This is what I suspect you have
because you got about a 1.2 when you turned the wheel and counted. You have
tho multiply this times two on a open rear to get the approximate ratio.
Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:41:59 -0300
Subject: Re: G-body interior chrome

At 11:53 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>MROTHE wrote:
>>
>> I wrote this yesterday, but since there were e-mail problems, I am
>> resubmitting this.
>>
>>
>> > I was cleaning up my 85 442 the other day, and while I was in the back
>> > seat, to my horror, I saw the chrome coming off both rear side panel
>> > cloth insert trim.  I took one piece out, and took the trim off.  It had
>> > to be gently pried off, due to it being heat-stamped/glued to the velour
>> > insert.  The trim is still in excellent shape, except for what it looks
>> > like the mylar/chrome is shedding off.  My question of need is, how can
>> > I get these pieces re-chromed?  The trim is of a flexible-type plastic,
>> > and I don't think standard plastic re-chroming would work.  I figure I'm
>> > not the only one that has run into this, since the interior doesn't see
>> > the sun very often, and hasn't in over 10 years.  The rest of the
>> > interior remains mint.  ANY IDEAS??????
>> >
>> > Mike Rothe
>
Mike

        You could possibly try a chrome pin stripping tape and stick it to
the area where the milar used to be. I used this to do the small chrome
raised areas on my 70 dash panel.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:45:08 -0300
Subject: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)

Ok, after getting some time to go through the carb I had, something
interesting came up.  I have two mid-70's Q-jets that have been worked on in
the past, by other people, and I noticed that the springs on the primaries,
and the power piston were not in the same place on the two carbs.  What I
have are two spring types, one is a shorter, but thicker (heavier) spring,
and the other is slightly longer, and not as thick (lighter).  On one carb,
the thick spring was on the primary piston assembly, on the other, it was on
the power piston assembly (and, of course, the lighter spring was on the
opposite assembly).  Which is supposed to be where?  I've looked at Doug
Roe's Q-jet book, and couldn't find any reference to which might be right
(and since I wasn't the first to take either apart, I'm not sure which is
right).  I can give carb numbers if needed, but the one I'm using was from a
'76 Olds. 350.

Sorry if my description is a little hard to follow, and thanks in advance for
any help.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 00:49:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear-end

Pat McDermott wrote:
>
> Last week there were posts about rear-end ratios that got me thinking. I
> had no idea what gears were in my car. So today I had a little free time
> and thought, I'll put the car on stands, spin the drive-shaft 10 times
> and count how many times the tires turn, right? Well that's exactly what
> I did. I counted 12, so I did it over a couple of times. A 13 and
> another 12, no way. That's a 1.2?-1 ratio. So now I'm a little freaked
> out. I went to the parts store picked up some gear oil came home and
> pulled the cover off. What I saw was a Ring gear w/41 teeth and a Drive
> pinion w/32 teeth. I didn't count the teeth on the Differential gears
> but my guess now would be around 20 each. My Questions are, is this
> really a 1.28 to 1 rear-end? What other rear gears were stock in 69 for
> the 350/350? What ratio should I be looking for?
> Anyway I went to put it back together and I was missing one piece, a new
> gasket. Not an easy find. Finally NAPA of all places had one. I go
> there, they dont have it they have some stuff I can 'cut-to-fit', No
> thanks. I ended up using a liquid gasket, I don't remember the name but
> its red, then I ordered two gaskets because I don't know what Axle I
> have(HELP).
>
> Thanks
> Pat McDermott
> 69 Cutlass 'S'
Your best bet would be to pop the cover off, on the ring gear there will
be two numbers stamed (41-9) or what ever yours is devide 41 by 9 and
you get 4.56 that is it. 4.56:1 gears.  your gears sound like 3.08:1
thats the standard gear and pretty much universal
Marty

------------------------------

From: Kajrav <dilligaf@tl.infi.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 03:51:11 -0300
Subject: 68 Differential Codes

68 Differential Codes

3100 thru 4400     Ratio        Std.        Anti-Spin
(Type O)           2:56         R2          R3
                   2:78         SA          SB
                   3:08         SC          SD
                   3:23         SE          SF
                   3:42         TL          TM
                   3:91         TN          TO

400 Cu. In.        4:33                     TW  (Same for W-30)


3100 Thru 4400     Ratio        Std.        Anti-Spin
(Type C)           2:56         R8          R9
                   2:73         RA          RB
                   3:07         RC          RD
                   3:31         RE          RF

------------------------------

From: JNelson751@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:01:20 -0300
Subject: air cleaner

     Hello everyone

If anyone on the list has a 69 442 air cleaner for sale please e-mail me back
privately
on condition and price.
   thanx
 jeff
 69 442 conv

------------------------------

From: hanthorn <hanthorn@inwave.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:00:39 -0300
Subject: Re: mufflers

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 09:31 PM 5/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >Are glass or steel packs worth it? How much do they cost? Or should I
> >just keep the regular mufflers on my '70 442 455ci?
> >
> >               thanks,
> >                 RS
> >               '70 442
> >
> RS
>
>         Glass or steel packs are ancient history. If you want a little
> rumble and some performace go with Flowmasters or Walker Dynomax mufflers.
> You'll love either one of them.
>
> Jim Chermack
Flowmasters are pretty loud i'd say. a freind of mine has 3inch pipes
that dump just before the axle with flowmasters on his 68 442, a mile
away I can hear him Idling into his driveway.  I live in the country,
but..damn. We set off alot of car alarms drivin through town in that
thing.  those punk kids with the big base stereos that are so loud you
can't even hear your own radio... we pull up next to them and they're
yelling at us that our car is to loud. Its pretty cool but it gets
annoying after awhile when we cant even talk to each other.  He's
running a 455 with 11:1 and a pretty big hyd roller cam so this adds to
the exhaust a little.  maybe on a stock car it wouldn't be so bad.
Marty
68 442 also

------------------------------

From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:09:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Hurst Aero

On Tue, 6 May 1997, Mike Siedlik wrote:

> To All Of You interested to see pictures of a Hurst Areo I'm giving
> some pictures to a friend of mine to scan.  Him or I will keep all of
> you posted.
>

I just sent out some scans to Bryce today.  I scaned a picture of
an '87 442 with the most of the aero kit (no spoiler and no lower door
panels). I also scaned the photocopies I had of the original press release
for the Aero.  Along with that I included the scans of the Musclecars
Collector cards I have and some pix of my cutlass for the Owner's
registry. Hopefully it won't take too long for them to get put on
the 442.com web page.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:17:46 -0300
Subject: Re: G-body interior chrome

At 11:53 PM 5/6/97 -0300, Nick Lamboy wrote:
c,
>> > and I don't think standard plastic re-chroming would work.  I figure I'm
>> > not the only one that has run into this, since the interior doesn't see
>> > the sun very often, and hasn't in over 10 years.  The rest of the
>> > interior remains mint.  ANY IDEAS??????
>> >
>> > Mike Rothe
>Well Mike. The same thing happened to my 83 Hurst as has happened to
>you. My chrome strips started coming of when I had brought out after a
>winter storage. They began to flake and curl in and ugly fashion. Since
>I have a few other interior problems I remove all of the flackey
>material and chalked it up as another reason to restore the interior

Guess I am lucky with my 442 as the chrome is in great shape on the inside.
I remember seeing a booth at a swap meet last year that would restore the
chrome strips in you sent them the part.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 4-4-2 W-30
1975 Hurst/Olds

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:32:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Answers: 83-4 H/O & 85-7 442 Exhaust (Long)

At 11:46 AM 5/6/97 -0300, brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:

>
>Final Decision-
>Hooker Grand National/Monte Carlo Dual Exhaust System
>(Description from and older Jeg's catalog)
>Increase the efficiency of your 86-87 Grand National T-Type with 231 Turbo
>or `85-87 SS  Monte Carlo with 305/350.  This cat-back kit bolts directly
>to the stock catalytic converter and requires no modification to existing
>emission control system. Features large 2.5 inch 16 guage mandrel bent
>tubing and a pair of super competition mufflers,  Tailpipes exit behind
>rear tires.  $259.99

Just to throw out another possibility. I know of someone with an 87 442 that
has a stainless steel Borla Cat-Back adjustable exhaust system (made for a
93+ F-body) adapted to his car. He said that a totally new intermediate pipe
needed to be bent, the over-axle pipe and muffler went into-place fairly
east, and the tips were bent out to the sides instead of the rear as is
standard on the F-body kit.  The system comes with adjustable plates to
increase/decease backpressure and sound. I have heard it and the sound is
incredible. It cost him a good chunk of $$$, but it sure is nice.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 4-4-2 W-30
1975 Hurst/Olds

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:36:37 -0300
Subject: Re: mufflers

At 01:00 AM 5/7/97 -0300, hanthorn wrote:

>Flowmasters are pretty loud i'd say. a freind of mine has 3inch pipes
>that dump just before the axle with flowmasters on his 68 442, a mile
>away I can hear him Idling into his driveway.  I live in the country,
>but..damn. We set off alot of car alarms drivin through town in that
>thing.  those punk kids with the big base stereos that are so loud you
>can't even hear your own radio... we pull up next to them and they're
>yelling at us that our car is to loud. Its pretty cool but it gets
>annoying after awhile when we cant even talk to each other.  He's
>running a 455 with 11:1 and a pretty big hyd roller cam so this adds to
>the exhaust a little.  maybe on a stock car it wouldn't be so bad.

Two-chamber flowmasters on a stock 5.0 Mustang are loud as hell let alone a
car like that. I can imagine the sound.  I have a FlowTech Terminator
muffler on my 442 and it is quiet for the most part, but I really noticed a
seat of the pants improvement in performance after it was installed.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 4-4-2 W-30
1975 Hurst/Olds

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:32:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Fel- Pro Gasket Set

Luke Hogan wrote:
     Has anybody used Mondello's
> bolt-in valley pan      ,& if so what kindof  luck?
>                          Thank's in advance.   Luke


Luke, May the force be transmitted to the pavement.....oh, wrong movie.

Anyway, The Mondello valley tray and intake gasket setup (can't use
stock valley pan with the tray) fit like a charm.  The cork end seals
were a little on the long side, but with trimming and a Permatex
Ultra-copper film on them, they seal just fine.  I had to file the tray
on the back end a little, but otherwise, el perfecto!  It's been in my
71 for three years now.  No problems.  I also used the block-off plugs
in the heads since I was running the Performer intake.

That's all I have to say about that.  ?? Another movie?

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:37:49 -0300
Subject: Re Vista Cruiser Scripts

Does Fusick's carry them for this year?  My V-C doesn't need anything and I
just glanced through the catalog but didn't we already post where to get
these?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:41:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Stolen 442

Isnt there a spot on Bryceman's page for stolen vehicle info?  Probably
should post something there as well - maybe a 'be on the alert for...' in
case someone tries to sell it - remember, criminals aren't all that bright,
most end up in jail don't they?

Good luck-

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: AWalker564@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 01:52:59 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 delta 88 convertible

I need both bumpers, but especially the rear one.  I am having trouble
locating a quarter at any salvage yard.

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:14:13 -0300
Subject: Re: mufflers

At 01:00 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Flowmasters are pretty loud i'd say. a freind of mine has 3inch pipes
>that dump just before the axle with flowmasters on his 68 442, a mile
>away I can hear him Idling into his driveway.  I live in the country,
>but..damn. We set off alot of car alarms drivin through town in that
>thing.  those punk kids with the big base stereos that are so loud you
>can't even hear your own radio... we pull up next to them and they're
>yelling at us that our car is to loud. Its pretty cool but it gets
>annoying after awhile when we cant even talk to each other.  He's
>running a 455 with 11:1 and a pretty big hyd roller cam so this adds to
>the exhaust a little.  maybe on a stock car it wouldn't be so bad.
>Marty
>68 442 also
>

Marty

        75% of that noise would go away if he put tail pipes on it. When I
installed mine I started the car with no tail pipes and I thought my wife
was going to have a fit. The whole house shook. The next day I replaced the
tail pipes with new ones and it sounds really nice. Nowhere near the
resonnance it had before. It's got just a nice rumble and tininess at idle
and a very mellow one when under power. I used the 3 chamber ones in the big
block series.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:20:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)

At 12:45 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Ok, after getting some time to go through the carb I had, something
>interesting came up.  I have two mid-70's Q-jets that have been worked on in
>the past, by other people, and I noticed that the springs on the primaries,
>and the power piston were not in the same place on the two carbs.  What I
>have are two spring types, one is a shorter, but thicker (heavier) spring,
>and the other is slightly longer, and not as thick (lighter).  On one carb,
>the thick spring was on the primary piston assembly, on the other, it was on
>the power piston assembly (and, of course, the lighter spring was on the
>opposite assembly).  Which is supposed to be where?  I've looked at Doug
>Roe's Q-jet book, and couldn't find any reference to which might be right
>(and since I wasn't the first to take either apart, I'm not sure which is
>right).  I can give carb numbers if needed, but the one I'm using was from a
>'76 Olds. 350.
>
>Sorry if my description is a little hard to follow, and thanks in advance for
>any help.
>
>Chris Ruper
>
Chris

        Rochester used three different types of power piston assm over the
years. If I remember right the short thic spring is on the newer carbs dated
after 74 or 75 somewhere in that ball park. The lighter spring (found on the
power piston assm) is on of the earlier designs. You should have the
emission type carb on your Olds.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 02:22:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 delta 88 convertible

At 01:52 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I need both bumpers, but especially the rear one.  I am having trouble
>locating a quarter at any salvage yard.
>
Can it be a bumper that needs plating? Or does it have to be real nice.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 16:38:57 -0300
Subject: Re: steering wheel

- ----------
> Does anybody know a place where I find a good steering wheel for my '70
> 442.
>
> Sorry about sending the welcome message the first time.
     Richard,  A friend of mine has a sport steering wheel ,  is
that the type you want ?
                         I don't  know if he will let it go.  I can ask!
  Luke

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 03:15:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 delta 88 convertible

At 01:52 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I need both bumpers, but especially the rear one.  I am having trouble
>locating a quarter at any salvage yard.
>

What parts (and which side) 1/4 panel are you needing?  The pics in front of
me show the 4 door and 2 door as different, but everything behind the wheel
looks the same.  The upper body line is different, it appears.  If it's a
lower section you need, I might be able to help you out.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 03:46:36 -0300
Subject: Whoa.  Wanta see something strange?

     Check out this version of a web page that can really mess with your mind!

http://smeg.com/backwards/b3.cgi?url=www.442.com

Don't worry.  It's not a virus.  It's kinda cool, but mostly strange.

P.S.  You can put in any URL you'd like.  I picked something we'd all
recognize (kinda!)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 04:33:04 -0300
Subject: Re: 1982 Delta Royale Brougham

Hmm, I own a 1981 Delta 88 with a 3-speed TH250 and a 5.0 (307 Olds)
engine.  I just took it for a test 0-60 three times and every time it was
about 11 seconds.  16 seconds seems slow, although I never had the
oportunity to drive a overdrive delta, so I would not know what the tranny
does.  Though true that this car is not a drag-racer, compared to the 1986
Taurus 2.5L four that I owned befoure the Delta, it is a real 'rocket'.  It
took a miserable 18 to 20 seconds to reach 60mph in that pice of s**t.
Anyway, I did not do any major modifications, and although they improved my
time, it was never as slow as 16 seconds.  Have your car checked, maybe the
tranny is screwed or maybe your car just needs some tuning.  (what made the
most difference for me was the use of a old buick air-cleaner from a 455
with a wide cold air induciton duckt, and with some modifications and the
adition of this cold-air iduction, it made a real difference.  Of course,
you may need some carb adjustments if you do this)

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 08:08:48 -0300
Subject: NOS Mouldings For Sale (5/7)

I have the following assorted Oldsmobile stainless mouldings which I
would like to sell:

Body side moulding with black vinyl insert for the front door of 1970
F-85 4 door with Bodyguard option (except  style 4239 and Vista Cruiser)
and 1971 and 1972 3169, 3269, 3536-69 and 3636-69 style 4 doors.  One
only.  Part number 8702546.  NOS in what=B9s left of the original
packaging.  $12.00, including shipping to any address in North America.

1973 side guard moulding for front door of 88 and 98 with option B84.
One only.  Part number 8704536.  NOS, in what=B9s left of the original
packaging.  $15.00, including shipping to any address in North America.=20

1954 lower side moulding for righthand rear door on a S88 4 door.  One
only.  Part number 4634848.  NOS, in what=B9s left of the original
packaging.  $16.00, including shipping to any address in North America.

(5/7/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          =3D=3D=3D
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | =3D Tom Stoner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         =3D=3D=3D    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D+

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From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@ibm.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:02:02 -0300
Subject: Shop Manual Information

Hey all,
  I got this E-Mail from Erik a fgew days ag, and this place has GM manuals
(I didn't ask about any other brands).  They quoted $59.95 + $5.95 for
shipping.  A heck of a lot better than the local GM's $99.00 for the SAME
manual!!  I thought everyone might find this helpful.

Steve Reed
Austin, TX
70 4-4-2 Ragtop

- ----------
> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> To: ssreed@ibm.net
> Subject: Shop Manual
> Date: Monday, May 05, 1997 13:06
>
> I have had very good luck with Automotive Information Clearinghouse in La
> Mesa, CA.
> Give them a call at (619) 447-7200.
> They have a large warehouse full of old factory shop manuals.
>
> Erik Nowacki
> 72 Vista Cruiser
>

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:47:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Whoa.  Wanta see something strange?

!em ksa uoy fi egnarts ytterP

skrapS sirhC

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 07:55:52 -0300
Subject: Re: mufflers

Hi all,

Well I just got some exhaust system work done on the 1982 Delta Royale.
I had to replace the catalytic converter, muffler, and axle cross-over
pipe.  Went with a monolithic converter type (suggested by the muffler
shop) which made a noticable difference while driving.  Car still makes
a clacking sound, but came to find out that a smog pipe/valve needs
replacing.  Once this is done, then all should be fine.  I'll try to
get some pictures scanned.

Does anyone know where I can get information on 1982 option codes?
On my Fischer plate, I have NB1 NB2 and can't find that information
anywhere.

I'll retype the information again.

82 11B 3BN37 M 638087 (On the VIN I have Y37.  Hmmm)
13E 84L 80T L
NB1 NB2 B4772

Paul Hartlieb has deciphered most of this, however, not the NB stuff.

This car is getting to become more and more interesting.  I have the
rally package, sport mirrors, pin striping, fancy hub caps (spokes)

Later...

Chris Sparks

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:40:31 -0300
Subject: Re: mufflers

mrada wrote:
> Does anyone know where I can get information on 1982 option codes?
> On my Fischer plate, I have NB1 NB2 and can't find that information
> anywhere.
>
> I'll retype the information again.
>
> 82 11B 3BN37 M 638087 (On the VIN I have Y37.  Hmmm)
> 13E 84L 80T L
> NB1 NB2 B4772

The NB2 code, on what I could find, references "Emission Controls,
California requirements"...nothing on the NB1 though......

Mike Rothe

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 09:49:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)

In a message dated 97-05-07 02:01:16 EDT, you write:

<< At 12:45 AM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
 >Ok, after getting some time to go through the carb I had, something
 >interesting came up.  I have two mid-70's Q-jets that have been worked on
in
 >the past, by other people, and I noticed that the springs on the primaries,
 >and the power piston were not in the same place on the two carbs.  What I
 >have are two spring types, one is a shorter, but thicker (heavier) spring,
 >and the other is slightly longer, and not as thick (lighter).  On one carb,
 >the thick spring was on the primary piston assembly, on the other, it was
on
 >the power piston assembly (and, of course, the lighter spring was on the
 >opposite assembly).  Which is supposed to be where?  I've looked at Doug
 >Roe's Q-jet book, and couldn't find any reference to which might be right
 >(and since I wasn't the first to take either apart, I'm not sure which is
 >right).  I can give carb numbers if needed, but the one I'm using was from
a
 >'76 Olds. 350.
 >
 >Sorry if my description is a little hard to follow, and thanks in advance
for
 >any help.
 >
 >Chris Ruper
 >
 Chris

         Rochester used three different types of power piston assm over the
 years. If I remember right the short thic spring is on the newer carbs dated
 after 74 or 75 somewhere in that ball park. The lighter spring (found on the
 power piston assm) is on of the earlier designs. You should have the
 emission type carb on your Olds.

 Jim Chermack >>

So, does that mean the lighter spring should be on the power piston assembly
(and the heavier one on the primaries)?  Both carbs are emissions "friendly"
type ('76, or newer).  They are different numbered, but almost identical.

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