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oldsmobile-digest         Thursday, 17 April 1997      Volume 01 : Number 617

I bought a car today
Re: Delta in Need
Re:  Lights lights & more lights
Re: Olds V6 Oil Delivery.....Comments?
Re: 66 -442 NOT '67!
Re: Re[2]: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Dr. Oldsmobile & Other Items For Sale (4/17)
Re: I bought a car today
Re: 81 cutlass
Re: Oldsmobile with V8 Diesel "Power steering vibration"
Re: [2] Handling Problem
Re: Oldsmobile with V8 Diesel "Power steering vibration"
Re: ª's
Re: ª's
Re: Oldsmobile with V8 Diesel "Power steering vibration"
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
Re: 66 -442 NOT '67!
Re: I bought a car today
Re: GM 3.4L V-6s
'69 442 VIN vs. Cowl Tag
Re: Re[4]: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply
Re: Re[2]: 66 -442 NOT '67!
RE: 70 4-4-2 model
Re: Dr. Oldsmobile & Other Items For Sale (4/17)
Re: Stripe Options
Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)
Transmission rebuild or new?
Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)
RE: Ralley Red for a 71 442?
Re: Ralley Red for a 71 442?
Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88
Carb Problem?
Re: Stripe Options
Re: ª's
3.4L V-6s
Re: ª's
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Carb Problem?
Re[2]: 66 -442 NOT '67!
Re: Carb Problem?
Re: ª's

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:13:47 -0300
Subject: I bought a car today

Mr. Frederick has been AWFULLY quiet of late - he must be out wrestling
with the Toro again.

Since I am planning on doing some major drivetrain work & suspension
swapping between my Vista Cruisers this summer-fall, I had been toying with
the idea of another driver that I could also let my daughter use when she
starts driving this year.

So have been hunting through the recycler mags and such and came across a
1966 Toronado which I bought today.   I restrained myself and didn't copy
down the VIN or cowl trim tags yet (I'm picking it up this weekend) but of
course I'm DYING to let you guys dissect them.

The car has 79,000 miles, great interior and good exterior - a crummy
re-paint job (the current owner took it back from the guy who was  painting
 it because he was doing a crummy job and losing/stealing parts off it) -
its  oxidized already.  The cars sat for 5-8 years, the valve covers dont
leak, they gush, but otherwise (and odd) the motor is  clean and  runs
good.  I'm leery of this transaxle business as I know nothing about them -
are they hard/expensive to have rebuilt?  I'm sure my trans buddy can
handle it but I'm just curious.  Anyway, I got it for $1600 which I think
is fairly cheap.

Anyway, thats Oldsmobile ª4 and time to stop (for now).  Anyway, now off to
post inquiries for the bits and pieces I'll need to the parts guys!

Olds away......

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:29:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Delta in Need

I received this message from my page.  Please reply to
grandkids6@worldnet.att.net with any response.

My name is Lisa also i am the proud owner of a 1967 Delmont 88 please do
not confuse this with a Delta it's not. My grandfather purchased brand
new in 1967 in Peoria Illinois and then promptly moved to Florida when
they passed away I inherited the beauty. in mint condition with the
exception that the rear decking has a hole my son decided to put his knee
there. But anyway I have had this car in storage here in Illinois since
then it comes out on those sunny warm days. I have the 425 Rocket engine
in my baby all original my grandfather even put custom made seat covers
on them so they have never seen the light of day. It has come the time
not by choice but a necessity to sell her. My son has many medical
problems so we have to find a new home but need the money to do so. I am
only looking for serious buyers. I'm sure you can understand my position
I want someone to appreciate her the way I have all my life. My son is
not happy that I need to sell as he puts it his blue car. But a home is
more important at this time. She only has around 50,000 original miles &
all original equipment. I had been given an offer of 7,000 a year and a
half ago but didn't take it I was ready to sell and did not know that my
son would have many problems health wise that would require alot of
money. If you please know of anyone who is serious please contact me or
my father Scott at his E-mail address.
  Thank you for your time.
                           Lisa
                               Another Olds Lover.

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 01:01:41 -0300
Subject: Re:  Lights lights & more lights

Well if my '72 V-C has a ? light on the rear view mirror AND a map light by
the radio - are they both considered map lights or courtesy lights or one
of each?!  Just teasing, I think its interesting to have so many of these
little ineffective lights.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:10:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds V6 Oil Delivery.....Comments?

>
>The external line on the Buick is a Smokey Yunick trick. He also welds the
>rear portion of the rear cylinders to the block - they sort of float at
>that point.
>

Anyone have more detailed descriptions of this procedure?  It might save the
life of ~my~ V6!  (That is ~already~ knocking with supposedly less than 1000
miles on it, but has very little oil pressure, etc... )  If I decide to keep
the motor, this would be really good info.  (And, if this info helps, it
might help me decide to keep the motor!)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
(very)odd-fireV6
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:50:08 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 -442 NOT '67!

At 10:42 PM 4/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
>> I've never been a big fan of the "parking lights between the headlights"
style
>> either, but wouldnt the '68 fall into the catagory of "funny headlights"
too? >> :-) > >Hey!!! Them's *fightin'* words!!! It's distinctive, maybe, but
never >funny looking!!! > >;-)

As long as they don't become ~butt-ugly!~  I actually ~liked~ those "Funny
looking" split up headlights.  They give it more attitude, I guess.  Now,
that same styling carried on into the late 70's Gran Prix's...  Now ~that's~
funny looking! (~and~ borderline butt-ugly)    :)





             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
(very)odd-fireV6
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:39:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

>     Er, well, I specifically left out ponycars (Cuda included) because I
>     knew that would blow my theory - 68 Mustang CJ comes to mind, but I
>     forgot about the Ch*velles (though many on this list would - Charlie B
>     included - would disagree).


Yeah, that part about the four ~round~ headlights let me down.  I'm not sure
which to do first, replace the dead motor or smash in the corners of the
Rockit's four ~rectangle~ headlights!  :)


Actually the cut is really simple, though, in my eyes.  The ~true~
Musclecars held the previous definition but only wore badges that said
Buick, Olds, and Pontiac.  Sure, che*y had ~their~ version, but it's only a
musclecar, where ~ours~ gets a ~capital~ "M"....

OK, OK, it's a stretch, it's late -- don't give me no crap!   :)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
(very)odd-fireV6
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:25:15 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 02:40 AM 4/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Jim, do you, or anyone for that matter, have any center caps for SSII
>wheels for sale.  These are the type that are bolted onto the wheel.
>I need a set of four.  Thanks for any, all help.
>
Do you want N.O.S. or used? I have both.

Jim

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From: Kabootski@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 00:36:10 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

If the car was ordered with the mirror light option (UF1 on my build sheet)
the car still came with the map light above the radio.  And the function of
all the interior lights is still goofy.

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 07:54:10 -0300
Subject: Dr. Oldsmobile & Other Items For Sale (4/17)

I have the following Oldsmobile related items which I would like to
sell:

Pair of =B3Dr. Oldsmobile=B9s W-Machine=B2 stickers.  Approximately 4 x 5
inches, and printed in dayglo orange, bright magenta, and black on white
stock.  These show the good doctor holding a checkered flag in his left
hand and flashing the peace sign with his raised right hand.  I don=B9t
know if these are 1969 originals, or reproductions.  $10.00 for a pair,
including shipping to any address in North America.  (Three pair are
available.)

=B3Dr. Oldsmobile=B9s W-Machine=B2 embroidered patch.  Same size and
description as the stickers above.  Embroidered in bright orange, black
and pink on a black backing.  $23.00, including shipping to any address
in North America.

Large =B3442=B2 sticker.  15 inch long by 9 inch high oval.  =B3442=B2 is i=
n
3-1/2 x 4 block numbers across center of oval, with a one inch ring
around the oval.  Printed in orange, fading to magenta, from top to
bottom and overprinted in black to form numbers.  $12.00, including
shipping to any address in North America.  (Two available.)

=B3Oldsmobile=B2 embroidered patch.  Block letters embroidered in maroon on
a white backing, with a white embroidered edge.  1-1/2 inches high, by
more than six inches long.  $12.00, including shipping to any address in
North America.

=B3Oldsmobile rocket=B2 embroidered patch.  =B3Rocket=B2 logo and =B3Oldsmo=
bile=B2
in script letters embroidered on a white backing in red.  2 x 3 inches,
with a red embroidered edge.  $7.00, including shipping to any address
in North America.

(4/17/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          =3D=3D=3D
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | | | =3D Tom Stoner =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         =3D=3D=3D    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D+

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:04:54 -0300
Subject: Re: I bought a car today

James Thingwold wrote:
>
>
> Since I am planning on doing some major drivetrain work & suspension
> swapping between my Vista Cruisers this summer-fall, I had been toying with
> the idea of another driver that I could also let my daughter use when she
> starts driving this year.
>
> So have been hunting through the recycler mags and such and came across a
> 1966 Toronado which I bought today.

> Anyway, thats Oldsmobile ª4 and time to stop (for now).  Anyway, now off to
> post inquiries for the bits and pieces I'll need to the parts guys!
>
> Olds away......
>
> Lisa Madsen
>


Lisa,

Congratulations.  Those early Toronados are a unique piece of history.

I don't believe that the transmissions are any worse on the pocketbook
than any other.  They are cheaper than the new ones.  We are only
talking about what amounts to a common TH400.

Are you sure that this is for the daughter?  I have several cars that I
bought for my son & daughter.  They've never received a one of them.

Bill Culp
Deatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:20:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 81 cutlass

On Wed, 16 Apr 1997 04:04:51 -0300 Charley Buehner
<buehner@cis.nmclites.edu> writes:
>
>>>
>>I've done this!!~ The 350 motor will work well, but you'll need to
>change
>>the springs in the front. A stock 350 motor mount kit will work just
>fine
>>and... the th200 will bolt up. The th350 tranny will also work,
>without
>>changing the driveshaft. I can go out and look at the car and tell
>you
>>which bolt holes to use to mount the engine to as the motor is out of
>the
>>car. One problem I ran across is emissions. Several states have
>emissions
>>tests or inspections and will not accept an older motor with a newer
>>vehicle. Hopefully, yours is not one of them. Also, DON'T  forget the
>>grounds. That caused a little problem for me after installation.
>You'll
>>also experience some minor problems with the speedo and dash
>indicators.
>>They'll work, but sometimes lights will come on very dimly. Something
>to
>>do with the computer. Good Luck, e-mail me back if you need any other
>>assistance.
>>
>>Katana72
>>
>
>
>Actually, I'd say the dash problems are isolated, i.e. not related to
>the
>engine swap.  Perhaps dumping the computer might give CEL problems
>(but I
>think with the EMC gone, the light stays off) so I think Rob's
>lighting
>problems are elsewhere.  The V6 and V8's used the same sending units
>(Or
>~could~ use, I should say) so electrically there should be little
>difference.
>
>  BTW, Rob T.  That address looks familiar.  Do you own a '57 Buick?
>Or am
>I confusing with another streetbike address I've seen?
>
>
>             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
>             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
>(very)odd-fireV6
>             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>
>             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
>                       .     .    . .
>                   .        .    .  .
>              ___     .    .    . .    ___
>              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
>                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
>                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
>                    __-\_/\--__/_-
>               . . /     \/      \  . . .
>             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
>                  .\_____/\______/   .
>                .        |ªª|.^.
>              .          |ªª||  .
>                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
>                        / / ||:..
>                       | | /  |
>                       | ' |  |
>                      / \_/   |
>                    _-        |
>
My screen name has NOTHING to do with motorcycles !!!! I have had a
strong Japanese influence on my life and it is a translation. Katana = a
type of Japanese sword, Cutlass= a type of European sword, since all the
good Cutlass names were gone, I chose this moniker. So, I translated
Cutlass as best I could into the Japanese language and came up with
Katana. Need I tell you what the 72 stands for ?? My light problems could
stem from other problems, but I had no problems with the motor in my 79
wagon, so I am ASSUMING that it has something to do with the computer and
that garbage. The 79 wagon had no computer, the 81 does, but it is
removed. I dunno....

Katana72
>

------------------------------

From: Lloyd <equitygroup@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 09:21:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile with V8 Diesel "Power steering vibration"

I recently had a power steering pump that became very noisy and was
leaking.  After having it replaced there was a vibration that seemed to
be centered around the pressure hose from the pump to the brake
hydroboost unit.  That hose was physically vibrating and it could be
felt on both the steering wheel and the brake petal.  In fact it is so
bad that it causes rattles in the dash that were never there before.

I took it back to the garage and after replacing both the steering and
Hydroboost units the vibration is still there although it seems to have
changed somewhat.  Can you give me any help with this one?

Is it possible to connect the hoses incorrectly?  At the time the pump
was changed several of the hoses were also changed.

Lloyd

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:31:26 -0300
Subject: Re: [2] Handling Problem

James Pindar wrote:
>
> After loosening the lock nut around the center screw, I used to use just
> the tips of my index finger and thumb to make the adjustment so as not to
> over tighten. And make damn sure that the screw does not tighten while
> tightening the lock nut. I had a truck steering box lock up on me (that I
> had over tightened) on Rt 22 in New Jersey while in the middle of a left
> curve at 65mph. I managed to yank the wheel back (with one foot on the
> driver's door) just before hitting the center divider.
> Point is, don't do it unless you are really careful.
> Tom Lentz wrote:
> >
> >      Could be.  I think the loose bearing theory is a good candidate too.
> >      Do you have a lot of slop in the steering box?  That is exceptionaly
> >      easy to fix, just loosen the nut on top (the one with the allen screw
> >      in the middle of it), tighten the allen screw _a_little_bit_ and then
> >      tighten the nut back down.  Be careful, this is very easy to
> >      over-tighten.  Fortunately, it's easy to re-adjust if you get it too
> >      tight.  Also, if it's too tight you can damage the gears in the
> >      steering box.  Too loose and you have slop in the steering.
> >
> >      Tom Lentz

> >

My experience w/the steering sector is that it isn't hard to adjust.  It
is a trial & error thing though & doesn't cure everything.  This only
takes out sloppiness at one point.  Don't forget tie rod ends, idler
arms, ball joints, pitman arms, A-arm bushings, steering links, & wheel
bearings as the other possible sources in the front end.

The steering sector is a worm drive that can be adjusted by a threaded
rod.  The threaded rod has a hex cut on top for an allen wrench.  The
rod is kept in place by a nut to lock it down.  Both are located at the
front top of the steering sector.

You will need a combination of an allen wrench & open end or box end
wrench.  Depending on the engine, either or both may be difficult to get
into position.  Place the wrench on the nut & the allen wrench in the
hex opening.  Loosen the nut a quarter turn or so while holding the
allen wrench still.  Now turn the screwdriver clockwise to tighten about
a quarter turn.  While holding this screwdriver position, retighten the
nut w/the wrench.

Here comes the trial & error.  While still in the driveway, try the
steering back & forth.  There should be a smooth movement w/no stiffness
on center.  Take the car for a drive to determine the results.  Again,
there should be no stiffness trying to turn from center.  It should be a
smooth transition for any turn.  If there is, the worm gear is now too
tight & must be backed off until the stiffness is gone.  Continue this
tightening or loosening until you get the optimum feel w/out that
stiffness.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 03:38:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile with V8 Diesel "Power steering vibration"

Lloyd wrote:
>
> I recently had a power steering pump that became very noisy and was
> leaking.  After having it replaced there was a vibration that seemed to
> be centered around the pressure hose from the pump to the brake
> hydroboost unit.  That hose was physically vibrating and it could be
> felt on both the steering wheel and the brake petal.  In fact it is so
> bad that it causes rattles in the dash that were never there before.
>
> I took it back to the garage and after replacing both the steering and
> Hydroboost units the vibration is still there although it seems to have
> changed somewhat.  Can you give me any help with this one?
>
> Is it possible to connect the hoses incorrectly?  At the time the pump
> was changed several of the hoses were also changed.
>
> Lloyd

Lloyd,

Why not try unhooking the PS belt to see if the PS is really the source
of your problem.  It isn't possible to interchange the high pressure &
low pressure hoses.  It is possible to have a bad one or to have it
kinked.  Junk may even be in the system causing a pulsing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:45:00 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> > On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> > > Then again, they didn't show a B for a black top... :)
> > >
> > Maybe we should all chip in and buy you a new book???? ;)
>
> Hey now, I removed my foot immediately after I inserted it in my mouth...
;-) > > Funny thing about those convertible top codes. I've got 2 or 3
different > charts for a '69 and they all show the same codes: > 1= white, 2 =
black, 3 = blue, 6 = gold > > Wonder why they use letter codes on the plate? >
 > Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada


Dazed and confused.  I've been told that both the cutlass and 442's were
made at different plants, but both these ª's were from lansing MI.  I
have also been told that the gold interior only came in a bench seat, but
this car has buckets.  My car has the 400 with 400 tranny, dual exausts
with the cut out bumper.  I did check the rivets holding down the VIN
plate, but they aren't the star shaped like ones I've seen. I dosen't
look like they have been replaced.  The previous onwer had owned the car
for the last 12 years.  When I check with the registry they told that he
did register it as a 442.  I guess I could check the engine ª's, but the
car has headers on and I can't see the ª's. Any help from 69 owners would
really be a big help.  THANKS!!

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:07:38 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

On Thu, 17 Apr 1997 JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> Dazed and confused.  I've been told that both the cutlass and 442's were
> made at different plants, but both these ª's were from lansing MI.  I
> have also been told that the gold interior only came in a bench seat, but
> this car has buckets.  My car has the 400 with 400 tranny, dual exausts
> with the cut out bumper.  I did check the rivets holding down the VIN
> plate, but they aren't the star shaped like ones I've seen. I dosen't
> look like they have been replaced.  The previous onwer had owned the car
> for the last 12 years.  When I check with the registry they told that he
> did register it as a 442.  I guess I could check the engine ª's, but the
> car has headers on and I can't see the ª's. Any help from 69 owners would
> really be a big help.  THANKS!!

Don't sweat it. Unless you have evidence that the VIN has been doctored
(which it sounds like it hasn't) you indeed have a 4-4-2. The body plate
business has been documented before and it is in fact likely that a '69
4-4-2 will have a Cutlass body code on the plate. The gold buckets are
also legit according to my (somewhat inconsistent) literature, and so
many others have pointed out the convertible top code of B as being OK
that I can only assume I don't have the right chart on hand.

If the engine number matches that would clinch it, but if it doesn't,
that doesn't mean that your car isn't a 4-4-2 -- it just means the engine
has been replaced. The VIN is the key. It sure sounds to me like your car
is legit.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Lloyd <equitygroup@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:42:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile with V8 Diesel "Power steering vibration"

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Lloyd wrote:
> >
> > I recently had a power steering pump that became very noisy and was
> > leaking.  After having it replaced there was a vibration that seemed to
> > be centered around the pressure hose from the pump to the brake
> > hydroboost unit.  That hose was physically vibrating and it could be
> > felt on both the steering wheel and the brake petal.  In fact it is so
> > bad that it causes rattles in the dash that were never there before.
> >
> > I took it back to the garage and after replacing both the steering and
> > Hydroboost units the vibration is still there although it seems to have
> > changed somewhat.  Can you give me any help with this one?
> >
> > Is it possible to connect the hoses incorrectly?  At the time the pump
> > was changed several of the hoses were also changed.
> >
> > Lloyd
>
> Lloyd,
>
> Why not try unhooking the PS belt to see if the PS is really the source
> of your problem.  It isn't possible to interchange the high pressure &
> low pressure hoses.  It is possible to have a bad one or to have it
> kinked.  Junk may even be in the system causing a pulsing.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Bill

We have disconnected the belt and have determined that it is definately
being caused by the power steering pump.  The lines are all either new
or in very good shape.  flushed all units several times, on evidence of
any dirt in the system.

On this system the pressure line coming from the pump goes to the
hydroboast unit and from there to the steering unit.  It is the line
coming from the pump to the hydroboast that physically shakes when the
pump is running.  Since several of the lines were removed at the same
time I was wondering if it was possible for the line going to the
hydroboast or the steering unit could be interchanged.  Whatever it is
it has baffold the mechanic that has done the work.

It there soething internal to the units that requires adjusting for
proper presure?  Or could it be that either unit could be the incorrect
one or installed improperly?

Lloyd

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:49:16 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

At 05:13 PM 4/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>1969 was the first year of the map light in the base of the mirror.
>This would have replaced the dash mounted map light.

Not necessarily; my '70 SX has the map light on the mirror *and* on the
lower edge of the dash, right above the radio. I suppose that they would
have offered the same combination in '69 as well.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:56:03 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

Ok, I guess I ask this one:

What is a ponycar?

And no horsing around, ok ;-)

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 10:51:35 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> Y60 was the trunk, mirror, hood lamp.

I have a trunk light and a hood lamp.  My mirror doesn't have a light.

Hmmm....


Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:05:29 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 -442 NOT '67!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
> > I've never been a big fan of the "parking lights between the headlights"
style > > either, but wouldnt the '68 fall into the catagory of "funny
headlights" too? > > :-) > > Hey!!! Them's *fightin'* words!!! It's
distinctive, maybe, but never > funny looking!!! > > ;-)

Greg is right! D'em is fight'n words!!!

Chris Sparks
(68 442 Sports Coupe, has "B"ig posts and will clobber you with them ;-)

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:10:45 -0300
Subject: Re: I bought a car today

At 12:13 AM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Since I am planning on doing some major drivetrain work & suspension
[snip of Lisa's sad attempt to rationalize and justify what is just
obviously another case of wanting too many cars...  ;)]

>So have been hunting through the recycler mags and such and came across a
>1966 Toronado which I bought today.   I restrained myself and didn't copy
>down the VIN or cowl trim tags yet (I'm picking it up this weekend) but of
>course I'm DYING to let you guys dissect them.

We've alerted the CDC in Atlanta, and they'll be sending you the standard
"T-virus emergency care kit." (consisting of a set of Olds USA and Fusick's
catalogs, a large mountain-bike inner-tube, a tube of Permatex gasket
sealant, 50' of vacuum line [75' if your car is equipped with the power door
locks], and a standardized application for a second mortgage) They'll also
include an affadavit to be signed by you and notarized, in which you vow to
not look at any *other* Toronados for the next 18 months; this is an
experimental procedure to prevent the T-virus from developing into a
full-blown case of FETA. (If any of the above doesn't make sense, then you
haven't been on the Toro list)

>The car has 79,000 miles, great interior and good exterior - a crummy
[snip]
>good.  I'm leery of this transaxle business as I know nothing about them -
>are they hard/expensive to have rebuilt?  I'm sure my trans buddy can
>handle it but I'm just curious.  Anyway, I got it for $1600 which I think
>is fairly cheap.

That is a good price. The gaskets are easy to change on this car, since the
motor sits so high. Change the fluid and filter on the TH425 transaxle, and
forget about it. The chain drive will last indefinitely, and the innards of
the tranny are those of a TH400, turned 180'. They're virtually
indestructible, but if you somehow manage to destroy it, they're not too
expensive to rebuild (they were used in '66-'78 Toros and '67-'78 Eldorados,
so they're *more* than plentiful!).

Just get used to having to convince others that your car really is front
wheel drive ("yes, way back then" will be a common phrase out of your mouth).

>Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser

I see this needs a little updating. Now the question is, which is heavier,
your house or all your cars combined? And aren't you afraid that this
accumulation of mass will just hasten CA's slide into the Pacific?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:24:01 -0300
Subject: Re: GM 3.4L V-6s

Thanks Steve! Read, printed and stored for future reference.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:21:00 -0300
Subject: '69 442 VIN vs. Cowl Tag

I have been reading the posts regarding the VIN vs. cowl tag debate with
some interest.  Some years ago I went to look at a '69 442 convertible
advertised for sale.  The major reason that I did not buy the car is
that it did not have the 344xx number on the cowl tag.  It did have all
of the other 442 pieces, including the rocket emblems in place of the
"S" or "CS" on the door panels right above the arm rests.  Most forgers
miss that detail, so it is a good quick and dirty check to make in case
you can't open the hood or read the VIN tag.  I did not know at the time
that the VIN number was not the same as the cowl number, so I never
checked the VIN tag, although I always thought that both tags should
start with 344xx.

Having read all of the posts lately, now I'm beginning to think that
maybe Olds diverted some Cutlass bodies onto the 442 production line,
possibly to make up for a shortage?  In fact, I also recall looking at a
'69 442 Holiday coupe that had the same non-442 series number on the
cowl tag.  So, to the person who bought the '69 442, I advise checking
the emblem on the door panel, in addition to all of the other
442-specific parts that should be on the car.  Like I said before, I
think 95% of forgers would overlook the rocket emblem.  Your strongest
proof would be a numbers-matching (to the VIN) 400 CID engine.

On a side note, I was perusing my '69 shop manual the other day and
noticed that in the chassis sheet metal section, it shows special fender
braces for the W30/31 ( I .  These braces run from the front bottom edge
of the fender (where I believe they are rubber mounted) up to the
radiator support.  I'm sure the W-machines had the special braces to
clear the OAI hoses.  A '69 W30 forgery would probably have missing or
incorrectly altered braces.

Scott Mullen
'70 442

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:20:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[4]: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

At 03:59 AM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Um, guys, I didn't say that you had a musclecar *only* if your car had four
>round headlights and 400+ci; just that if your car did, I would consider
>what you driving (such as that '72 455 Cutlass convertible) to be a
musclecar. > >...snip discussion of what is and isn't a musclecar... >
 >     You've obviously taken this much more seriously than I have.  As I >
noted in my follow-up, even an A-body snob like myself must admit that >
there are other musclecars which don't fit my rather narrow >     definition.
As has been posted here in the past, it's a musclecar if >     you think it
is.  Drive it and have fun with it. > >     Joe (anything less than 400
cu in isn't an engine) Padavano >     jpada@orbital.com > >     66 442 >
68 W-30 >     69 H/O >     70 W-30 > > > I expect that there's a guy or two
runing a 392 or a 396 that might disagree.

Anon. I

------------------------------

From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:26:58 -0300
Subject: 69 Cutlass S convertable with 2 spd jetaway -Reply

James,
  Looking for any 69 cutlass s conv. parts? I'm parting one out,
let me know. My name is Gary, and I'm in Michigan.
                                               Gary
                                               72 442 (350)

>>> "James Hopkins" <paradise@interl.net>  4/16/97, 09:27pm >>>
Can any one tell me how many of these cars were built?

What is the correct engine size?

I recently installed a 455 bored .04 with a small cam.  I am
interested in
finding a posi rear end (this is so my back tires wear evenly).

I have had this car since I was 16 (over 20yrs).  Any help would be
appreciated.

paradise@interl.net

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:27:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 66 -442 NOT '67!

At 04:04 AM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>On Wed, 16 Apr 1997, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
>> I've never been a big fan of the "parking lights between the headlights"
style
>> either, but wouldnt the '68 fall into the catagory of "funny headlights"
too?
>> :-)
>
>Hey!!! Them's *fightin'* words!!! It's distinctive, maybe, but never
>funny looking!!!
>
>     Since my first Olds (in fact, my first car) was a 68 Vista Cruiser, I
>     certainly have always considered the parking-lights-between-
>     the-headlights to be a very cool and distinctive look.
>
>     And BTW, I just _had_ to stuff a 425 in place of the anemic 350 2bbl
>     that the VC was born with...
>
>     Joe (you can't be too rich or have too many cubic inches) Padavano
>     jpada@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>
>
Joe,

One of the local untilites has an engine for sale, I would be happy to put
them in touch with you.  They think it is 1500 hp at 300 rpm.  You might put
it in your garage, and move probably run your entire house in the seven
second range.  Wait a minute, I don't think it will fit in your garage,
unless it is two story.

And it comes with its own compressor attached; so you will not need to buy
one at Sears.

When does one have to many cubic inches.

The Wiz

P.S. It was recently overhauled too.

------------------------------

From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:30:57 -0300
Subject: RE: 70 4-4-2 model

Hi Dave
 Here is the information you want.

1970 442 kit ª7401.

The cost is $20.  It was just released, so it might be a few weeks until
one is available in the hobby stores.  If you can not find it in a hobby
store call 800/TESTORS.

I have not found any in the shops I have checked. Testors WEB site is:

http://www.Testors.com/Testors/Testors.html they have it listed there.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, Apr 17, 1997 6:00 AM
Subject: 70 4-4-2 model
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

I have lost the info regarding the 70 4-4-2 model kits that are supposed
to be available.  I was in the local hobby shop and they were no help.
Does anyone have the info on it?  I am needing the manufacturers name
and any other details.  The "rocket scientist" at the hobby shop offered
to order it for me with out any information.  I thought that would be
difficult at best.  How can you order if you don't know what you are
ordering?

Thanks,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2


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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:35:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Dr. Oldsmobile & Other Items For Sale (4/17)

Tom,

I'll take the following patch if it's still available.

> =B3Oldsmobile rocket=B2 embroidered patch.  =B3Rocket=B2 logo and =B3Oldsmo=
> bile=B2
> in script letters embroidered on a white backing in red.  2 x 3 inches,
> with a red embroidered edge.  $7.00, including shipping to any address
> in North America.

I need to pay you for these two items your are holding for me. How much do you
 think the shipping on the floor mats will be? I have $15 plus $7 (if the
patch is available), for $23 plus floor mat shipping.

>I have the following Oldsmobile related items which I would like to
>sell:
>
>1958 Oldsmobile Anit-Spin Shop Manual supplement.  Near mint original
>condition.  $10.00, including Priority Mail shipment to any address
>in the United States. (3/28/97)
>
>
>Miscellaneous NOS Oldsmobile Rear Floor Mats:
>
>2. Dark blue rear carpeted floor mat pair for unspecifed year(s) A-Body
>cars.  P/N
>995644.  NOS in battered original box, but one mat mouse chewed on one
>corner.  $5.00, plus shipping costs.


David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:29:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Stripe Options

MROTHE wrote:

> As far as the body stripes go, they were standard on the 442, and
> optional for other series. However, I believe they could be deleted if
> ordered that way.

How would one know if there were stripes on the car when new?  And
better
yet what color?  (Aside from find an options sheet) When I got my 68 442
the
person before me changed the color from Teal Frost to a medium blue.
There is
no indicators for any striping.  According to my order sheet:

Option Y70 => G.T. Paint Stripe or Rally Stripe color
              (Colors: A-Black,
                       C-White,
                       O-Orange,
                       R-Red).
Option W36 => Rally Stripe-Deletes G.T. Paint Stripe (same color
options).

Hmmm an Orange stripe.  What color would they have paired that one up
to?
The 442 colors for that year were:

Provincial White (Option C)
Sapphire Blue Irid (Option D)
Nocturne Blue Irid (Option E)
Teal Frost Irid (Option F)
Willow Gold Irid (Option G)
Ocean Turquoise Irid (Option K)
Teal Blue Irid (Option L)
Cinnamon Bronze Irid (Option M)
Burgundy Irid (Option N)
Silver Green Irid (Option P)
Scarlet (Option R)
Jade Gold Irid (Option S)
Ivory (Option T)
Juneau Gray Irid (Option V)
Buckskin (Option X)
Saffron (Option Y)

I did this to pass on some useful information.

Later...

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:37:22 -0300
Subject: Re: "Real" Musclecars (was: Cutlass 442 ???)

At 10:56 AM 4/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Ok, I guess I ask this one:
>
>What is a ponycar?
>
>And no horsing around, ok ;-)
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>
>
The first one was a 1964-1/2 Mustang.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:40:55 -0300
Subject: Transmission rebuild or new?

Hey everyone,

     Well I found out that my transmission needs either a rebuild or I need
a new one all together. My mechanic said he replaced the filter and
everything and the problem wasn't fixed. He said he didn't like the color of
that fluid (yellow) and said something must of went internally.
     So I come to a fairly big decision. To I try and "Beef Up" the trans. I
have now or should I get a High Performance TH200-4R from someone like
Darrell Young Racing. I've had a couple quotes on a rebuild. Both were
between $500 and $650 with torque converter. I really do want this tranny
"beefed up" but am worried about the "bugs" that I might have to iron out
later. I don't have the time nor the money to keep taking my transmission
back to have it fixed (College and all). Is Darrell Young a reputable
company? Has anybody had any luck with him? Please respond as soon as
possible. Thanks for all the help!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:44:58 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 Courtesy/Map Lights (was:Re: 1971 cutlass for parts)

Kabootski@aol.com wrote:
>
> If the car was ordered with the mirror light option (UF1 on my build sheet)
> the car still came with the map light above the radio.  And the function of
> all the interior lights is still goofy.

On my "1968 Oldsmobile Wholesale Car Order 4-4-2 Models" sheet I can't
find a reference to UF1.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:05:00 -0300
Subject: RE: Ralley Red for a 71 442?

Byran Bodine wrote:

My dad has a '70 W-31 it came with the Ralley Red and black stripes
paint job.  I originally told him I would never get that color for my
car.  I actually think it would be cool to have those cars sitting side
by side with the same color, besides the color rocks.  I was wondering
if that color scheme was available for the '71 442, if so I would like
to get it and suprise him with it.  If not I want to keep it an original
color.

>How about Flame Orange?? This color (one of a few new for '71) "rocks"
also!!!

>John Pajak    DR OLDS
>Lexington park, Maryland

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:09:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Ralley Red for a 71 442?

Mike Rothe wrote:

Bryan, the 71 used a ª75 paint code for "Matador Red"  This is a very,
very close 1971 color for your dad's red 70.

>>WAIT!!! No it's not! Matador Red (also available in '70) is a dark red
whereas Rallye Red is really more orange than red.

>>John Pajak

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From: cwhitbeck@juno.com (Carl L Whitbeck)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 14:34:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88

You may want to pick up a Chilton manual for the car.  That book contains
a lot of th basic information you are looking for.

Carl  (cwhitbeck@juno.com)

------------------------------

From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 11:25:00 -0300
Subject: Carb Problem?

Hello,

 Enjoy  reading all the mail, hope someone out there can give me a hand.

I have an 86 Cutlass Salon, T-tops,, 307, 4 bbl., 146,000, engine rebuilt at

134,000, new paint, new interior, rebuilt trans, love the car and  looking
for recommendations on what is causing the following problem.

About a month ago it started running very rough when I started it up one
morning.  Idled very badly (car shaking)  and would stall occasionally at
stop lights.  Tried carb cleaner (no major improvement), ran premium gas and

it stopped stalling, but still idles badly, overall acceleration and power
seem low too (but could just be a perception problem at my end).

Had the engine looked at:

1)  No computer codes came up
2)  distributor, rotor, plugs, wires all new and ok
3)  compression good in all cylinders (150)
4) cursery check of all vacuum hoses (everything connected)

The garage (same one that did rebuild) said that the car has a computer carb
and that it might not be metering fuel properly.  Should I have the carb
rebuild?  buy a new one? (carb not car).

Also looking for a 442 type dual-snorkel cleaner for this car.

Thank you

Jeff Dick
Jeffrey.a.dick@cpmx.saic.com

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:18:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Stripe Options

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
>
> How would one know if there were stripes on the car when new?  And
> better
> yet what color?  (Aside from find an options sheet)
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442

According to the 69 Assembly Manual, the instructions were to match the
stripes to the body color as to contrast.  Basically, no set rule on
what color went to what.  (It even lists gold stripe colors for an Aztec
Gold body color as a recommendation!!!)

Mike Rothe

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:25:00 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

"Don't sweat it. Unless you have evidence that the VIN has been doctored
(which it sounds like it hasn't) you indeed have a 4-4-2. The body plate
business has been documented before and it is in fact likely that a '69
4-4-2 will have a Cutlass body code on the plate. <snip>
If the engine number matches that would clinch it, but if it doesn't,
that doesn't mean that your car isn't a 4-4-2 -- it just means the engine
has been replaced. The VIN is the key. It sure sounds to me like your car
is legit."

>CORRECT !! Every 68 and 69 442 and H/O I have ever seen has a Cutlass data
plate and every 70 and 71 442 has a 344nn data plate !!!

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:30:25 -0300
Subject: 3.4L V-6s

I made a mistake on the descriptions of the 3.4L V-6s.  Only the 3.4L DOHC
V-6 is an overhead cam engine.  The other two 3.4L V-6s I labeled as SOHC
but I was half way asleep and I meant OHV.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:33:49 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
>
>  I have also been told that the gold interior only came in a bench seat, but
this car has buckets.  My car has the 400 with 400 tranny, dual exausts with
the cut out bumper.  I did check the rivets holding down the VIN plate, but
they aren't the star shaped like ones I've seen. I dosen't look like they have
been replaced.

Gold interior came as 334 code for cloth bench also.

Check the Tranny numbers for VIN code.  If they match, and it is NOT an
OD tranny code, (should be OG or OW) then BINGO.  Done deal.  Also, a
small known fact....this niether proves or disproves, but the Cutlass
front sway bar is square on the ends.  The 442 front sway bar, is
somewhat fatter, (.970" vs the Cutlass .937" in dia.) but it has rounded
ends with a rounded extrusion on the end.  Call it a sway bar "cyst" if
you will.  Someone swapping this item, well....they would REALLY have to
know what they were doing.

I hope this helps in our never ending battle to document this great
car's history.  But, never forget, it's still an OLDS!

As stated before, my 69 Hurst is documented, and it also has a Cutlass 2
dr body code (33687) but has the Hurst paint and interior codes, along
with matching numbers.  My 71 though, has a 34487 body code.  Go
figure!!!

Mike Rothe

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From: Dan Bennett <DBennett@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:32:39 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 02:40 AM 4/16/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >Jim, do you, or anyone for that matter, have any center caps for SSII
> >wheels for sale.  These are the type that are bolted onto the wheel.
> >I need a set of four.  Thanks for any, all help.
> >
> Do you want N.O.S. or used? I have both.
>
> Jim


Used would be better as I am trying to budget, as long as they are in
good shape.  Please e-mail me privately with a price, in fact, what the
heck, let me know how much you need for both the used and the NOS.
- --
Daniel Bennett
Academic Advisor, Graduate Programs
Computer Science and Engineering
Arizona State University
dbennett@asu.edu
For more info visit our Webpage
http://www.eas.asu.edu/~csedept

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:34:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb Problem?

At 10:25 AM 4/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have an 86 Cutlass Salon, T-tops,, 307, 4 bbl., 146,000, engine rebuilt at
>
>About a month ago it started running very rough when I started it up one
[snip]
>it stopped stalling, but still idles badly, overall acceleration and power
>seem low too (but could just be a perception problem at my end).
[snip]
>The garage (same one that did rebuild) said that the car has a computer carb
>and that it might not be metering fuel properly.  Should I have the carb
>rebuild?  buy a new one? (carb not car).

If it's not metering fuel correctly, that might be no fault of the carb
itself; the computer tells the jets to open a certain amount, based on the
sensor inputs. Problems here can arise in the fuel system, the sensors, or
the carb itself.

First check your fuel filter; if it was clogged, your car might act this
way. If the carb isn't getting enough fuel, those jet openings won't be
enough for the engine to run properly, and the computer won't be able to
compensate by opening the jets as wide as they can go.

Next, how old is your O2 sensor? Though it might still be reading within the
acceptable range (and thus no codes), it could still be off enough to cause
this problem. The computer is giving what *it* thinks is the right amount of
fuel, based on the inaccurate input of that sensor (or another sensor, such
as manifold vacuum or coolant temp or whatever else the computer is basing
its fuel metering on)

Finally, the computer opens the jets by "pulsing" a needle/seat setup with a
solenoid in the carb. It does this by electrical signals. If the carb is not
responding as designed to the electrical signals (bad solenoid, crud in the
needle/seat, etc.), then your won't be metering fuel properly.

So, I would agree with your mechanic's diagnosis; only the last of the three
problems, however, would be solved by repairing, rebuilding or replacing the
carb itself. Don't buy a new carb unless you *know* that the old one is in
fact the problem (unless, of course, you have lots of money to throw away;
in that case, throw it my way, as I know what parts I need to replace on my
cars...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 13:52:23 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 66 -442 NOT '67!

Just love that stealth aspect, and use of the high pressure grill area! And
attitude!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
You've got to admit, though, the W-30 forced air inlets around the parking
lamps
is a pretty cool idea...

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 12:47:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb Problem?

Jeff Dick wrote:
>


>
The garage (same one that did rebuild) said that the car has a computer
carb
> and that it might not be metering fuel properly.  Should I have the carb
> rebuild?  buy a new one? (carb not car).
>
Could be your fuel metering solenoid, but this would usually end up as a
code in the computer.

But, one problem that doesn't show up, is a bad EGR valve or EGR
circuit. This will make the car run like crap if it is pulled in all the
time.  Also, check for vacuum leaks, since they themselves produce no
code, but can be a major bite in the rear to a computer-controlled
engine.

Another possiblity could be the lockup converter "locking" all the time.
(TCC solenoid).

It's a start....

Mike Rothe

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 1997 15:01:10 -0300
Subject: Re: ª's

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> "Don't sweat it. Unless you have evidence that the VIN has been doctored
> (which it sounds like it hasn't) you indeed have a 4-4-2. The body plate
> business has been documented before and it is in fact likely that a '69
> 4-4-2 will have a Cutlass body code on the plate. <snip>
> If the engine number matches that would clinch it, but if it doesn't,
> that doesn't mean that your car isn't a 4-4-2 -- it just means the engine
> has been replaced. The VIN is the key. It sure sounds to me like your car
> is legit."
>
> >CORRECT !! Every 68 and 69 442 and H/O I have ever seen has a Cutlass data
> plate and every 70 and 71 442 has a 344nn data plate !!!
>
> John Pajak
> Lexington Park, Maryland

That's what I wanted to hear!

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