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oldsmobile-digest           Thursday, 8 May 1997        Volume 01 : Number 652

"73 442
Re: Mint '87 442:How much is too much?
1937 For Sale
Re: Abandoned Tows, was Re: Rockit ran again
Ch*vy 454 in a 1984 Cutlass?????????
Re: Upcoming event...
Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)
Late 307s
Re: Carb question
Re: Carb question
Re: Carb question
Re: Tire size for 77 Olds
Re: Carb question
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 18:22:01 -0300
Subject: "73 442

Everyone,

In trying to get together a group of cars for our Olds dealer's
celebration of that special 100th Anniversary, I contacted a fellow who
has a lovely '73 442.  It seems that he will not only display it, but he
wants to sell it.  I'd be interested in knowing a little about these
cars as he wants $2200 for it.

The car has been repainted a dark metallic brown w/correct white
stripes, beige vinyl top, & beige interior.  The top is a couple of
years old, but the vinyl "chrome" is missing around the quarter
windows.  There is some rust bubbling through at the base of the quarter
windows just below the vinyl top - nothing really serious, but some.
The interior has had the seat recovered in a 2-tone vinyl, but the rest
is very nice & original.  The car has 75,000 mi on it.  There was no key
left at the house, & so I couldn't look at the engine, hear it run, or
drive it.

I'm supposing a 350 4-barrel is under the hood.  It is equipped w/AM/FM
stereo, rear speakers, PS, PDB, AT on console, Rally II wheels, AC, &
little else.  There are no rally gauges, tilt wheel, electric windows,
or seat.

Would accessories be difficult to find?  It supposedly runs nicely & I
have seen it driven around some.  Would $2200 seem ok in light of the
recovered seats, some rust at the edge of the quarter windows/vinyl
roof, & only mildly accessorized?

I know where a '73 H/O is resting in a salvage yard w/all the pieces to
make it a H/O.  Is this feasable?  Would I just be ruining a nice 442?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James244@aol.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:29:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Mint '87 442:How much is too much?

I bought my 86 442 brand new for 15,500, so i think that is a good starting
point for a mint classic with only 6,000 miles on it!

James
86 442
69 442

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From: RumeD@ix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:47:52 -0300
Subject: 1937 For Sale

I have a 1937 Oldsmobile for sale. It is a 4-dr sedan with a 8-cyl.
engine.  There are 64,000 actual miles on it, and it is a one owner car.
The car unfortunaltely needs complete restoration.  The body has surface
rust only on it, but the interior needs completely redone.  All seats
and dash pieces are still there.  I don't know if the engine is loose
but I'am going to find out.  I was told that it is worth $2,000.00, but
will consider any reasonable offer. The car is located near Lyons,
Nebraska.

My e-mail is RumeD@Ix.netcom.com

Thanks.

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:14:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Abandoned Tows, was Re: Rockit ran again

At 09:49 PM 5/7/97 -0300, Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>On Wed, 7 May 1997, Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
>> >I keep my fleet ~fairly~ mobile (At very minimum I ~push~ them
>> >around every week or so, just so I can say they've moved.
>>
>> "It's not abandoned, officer. Just last week I rotated the tires!"
>You think that's bad, They wanted to tow my beutifal red 76 4dr olds
>(while, 31/2, one's pretty much gone) away just because I parked it on
>the grador-bank to avoid being in the bus zone! (You should've seen it, I
>had to jump out the driver's side, and the other side was buried ion snow!)

This is how I got my 75 H/O. It was left abandoned behind a garage and the
cops had it towed and the owners never came after it. The 72 Cutlass Supreme
setting down at the junkyard now was the same way, abandoned and the owner
never claimed it. In fact we get in some real nice cars that for usually
some very fixable reason (tranny gone, blown radiator, etc. ) are not
claimed by their owners.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1980 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais 4-4-2 W-30
1975 Hurst/Olds

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From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:13:52 -0300
Subject: Ch*vy 454 in a 1984 Cutlass?????????

> Popular Mechanics is doing a project with a 1984 Cutlass. They want to
drop
> in a
> big block Ch*vy 454.
> I e-mailed them a note asking why not a big block Olds 455 instead of the
> same old
> Ch*vy.
> Hay lets swamp them with e-mail. The e-mail address is
> pmwebmaster@hearst.com
> lets see what we can do about this.
>
> John Richmond
> Warren, MI
> richmond@tir.com

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:18:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Upcoming event...

In a message dated 97-05-07 14:43:05 EDT, you write:

<< I was planning on attending that. It runs from 8am to 3pm on that
Saturday.
 Probably wear the Bryceman shirt and be driving the '77. Any suggestions on
a
 place for list members to rendezvous for a short get together, take a
breather
 from swap meet hunting?

 David Brown >>

I'd definitely like to have a get together if we get some people from the
list (if possible).  There's a place right in towards town (about 1/4-1/2
mile in on Rte. 75) that's called "Charley Browns", it's not too bad, just a
local "greasy spoon", that's about the best/closest place in the general area
(it's not too bad a place, really).  Just need to set a time, I'm going to be
up there looking around for/at stuff.

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 00:40:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Rochester Carb Question... (primary, and power springs)

In a message dated 97-05-07 13:08:42 EDT, you write:

<< Chris; The lighter spring goes on the primary APT pistonand the heavier
 spring goes on the power system as you call it.
 Scott Kozler
 kozhill@titanlink.com >>

That's kinda what I was looking for.  It's rather hard to explain, but the
two carbs I have, have the primary needles (two separate needles, on one
piston, located near the secondary part of the carb, and also an auxiliary
"power" system (as far as I understand) for providing "extra" gas under
acceleration (hard), and this is located in front of the primary needles,
towards the front of the carb).

Now,...  I've swapped them around to "see what would happen", and I've got to
swap them back...   no big deal, just an hour or so to do (more quality time
with the Olds.  :)....  ).

Chris Ruper

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From: prlmteed@idcnet.com
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 23:56:37 -0300
Subject: Late 307s

A couple of months ago, I bothered everyone with my tales of woe with my 87
307Y.  I have since replaced the sick 307 with a remanufactured '80 350.  I'm
getting a whole new education.

First, you wouldn't believe the shrunken port sizes on this 307 (7A heads)!  I
 don't believe that I could have sealed the 87 exhaust manifolds to the 80
(3A) heads.  The intake is also about 1/2 the size ports.  The bolt patterns
are the same.  I removed exhaust manifolds from an earlier 307 and they had
the larger ports (5A heads).  I suspect that the ports changed in 86 when
they went to the roller cams.

I installed the 350 using the early 307 exhaust manifolds modified to
accomodate my heat riser valve, and a 77 intake manifold.  I used all the
other components from the 87.  (The EGR port had to be machined out slightly
to accept the 87 EGR valve.  This was necessary as the 77 valve caused
problems).  Timing seems to work best at about 22 degrees.

I'm having a miss when it is in overdrive and lock-up.  This never happened
with the 307.  I have played with the timing to no avail.  Otherwise it runs
fine with a definite increase in power.  If I had to guess, I'd say it was a
lean condition caused by either the computer or a problem due to the intake
manifold.
 Any ideas?  This is in an 87 Pontiac Safari Wagon with 308(?) gears and a
2004R transmission with P235R15 tires.

C'mon guys, you've never failed me yet!

Pat

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:03:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

In a message dated 97-05-06 22:11:02 EDT, you write:

<< Well the 442 has about 600 miles on it since I droped the motor in this
 spring.  My problem is I think its running too rich.  There is a nice bit of
 black carbon on the new exhaust trumpets and the car "bucks" or surges a
 little when I'm cruising slow around the neighborhood, not quite as bad at
 highway speeds.  The carb was recently rebuilt by a local olds small block
 racer.  He said it had been rebuilt before.  Concerned about what jets and
 metering rods were in it, I took it apart today.  The primary jets were ª58
 and the secondary metering rods were AX, there are no primary metering rods.
 The idle mixture screws when I took it apart today were backed out 3 turns
 from lightly seated, I backed them out to 6 turns and it seems the "bucking"
 has decreased a little.  Any suggestions.

 Scott Jerdan
 70 W-30, 4-Speed
  >>
Well, you have all the right parts for the W-30 4spd carb, such as no primary
metering rods and 58 jets and AX secondaries, Only thing I could suggest is
to add primary metering rods such as ª48's then rejet the carb to ª69 jets
and leave the Ax rods alone or get something like AU's.  It wont lower your
performance, but give you better part throttle opertation.  The no primary
metering rods were for 4spds only due to they take off at a higher rpm than
automatics.

W MACHINES

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:10:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

At 10:10 PM 5/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Bill, Jim, and Dr. Barry
>
>Thanks for your input on the carb question I had.  Hope I can get it resolved
>without buying another carb.  If I do have to buy another carb what would a
>good price be?
>
>Thanks
>Scott Jerdan
>70 W-30 (seeker of carb enlightenment)
>

Scott

        I pay about $40.00 for the good core that I want. Usually a 1970 or
1971 vintage carb, then rebuid it to my liking.

Jim Chermack

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 01:37:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

scott or sharon wrote:
>
> Bill, Jim, and Dr. Barry
>
> Thanks for your input on the carb question I had.  Hope I can get it
resolved > without buying another carb.  If I do have to buy another carb what
would a > good price be? > > Thanks > Scott Jerdan > 70 W-30 (seeker of carb
enlightenment)


Put my two cents worth on this one. If you a new carb, just take yours
and have it done. I can get them redone in Dallas for about $75. Be
absolutely sure that they put new bushings in the throttle plates, or
else you'll have a nice surge at idle.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Keith455@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 01:40:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire size for 77 Olds

Put P275/60/15's on the rear and P255/60/15's on the front or 255's all the
way around. You'll get better handling and it will look a lot better with
large tires. Take a look at my web page
 http://www2.combase.com/~keith455/cutlass.html  I had those size tires on
it.

Keith
'75 H/O
'91 Gmc Syclone

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 02:00:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb question

OK boys, I thought I had seen every Q-jet. On these carbs that have no
primery metering rods, what is in the place of the piston? Is it blocked
off? If it isn't, wouldn't there be a vacum leak? And in my experience,
even though there is black exaust, stating that there is a rich condition,
a surge or bucking is usually a lean condition. A kind of loading up at
part throttle is like when you have a stuck choke and chugs. Everyones
terms are ther own interpertation. If this was my carb, I would check the
carb for dirt or misadjustment then rejet up 4 sizes to see if there is a
difference, then down from the base line to see if it made a difference.
Then go from there. The difference between a 4 spd, and a auto is trivial.
It should still perform to a certain degree.
Scott Kozler
kozhill@titanlink.com

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