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oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 23 May 1997        Volume 01 : Number 690

Re: 455 out of a '69 Delta 88- part two
Re: 69 455 stuff -- Also Delta GT???
Cooking with Oldsmobiles: Cutlass Cod Supreme
Re: Need help
Re: 69 455 stuff -- Also Delta GT???
Re: news stand
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
ALL  442  PICTURES
442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
LD Title Transfers?
Re: One more for the road...
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Re: Chevy Quality
PICTURES PICTURES 442 PICTURES
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Chevy Quality
RE: Re Yellow interior
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Brake info
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods\ASC&P??
Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32
Re: 71' 442 asking again
Re: Brake info
Re: Prize of harmonic balancer
ADMIN: was Re: 71' 442 asking again
Customer service
Re: This is hilarious (was: Defoggers (was: Overheating))
Re: Cooking with Oldsmobiles: Cutlass Cod Supreme
Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)
Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: '67 Cutlass S Covert Chrome Pieces (WAS no subject)
Re: Re Yellow interior
Re: Re Yellow interior
Re: '67 Cutlass S Covert Chrome Pieces (WAS no subject)
Re: Things people have said about my cars
Re: Wanted....tires !
81 year old 4-4-2 owner
Re: Prize of harmonic balancer
Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)
Re: Junkyard Idiot (was: Things people have said about my ca
'63 Olds convertible
Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)
Re: Chevy Quality
Re[2]: The cat [dog] is out of the bag!
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re[2]: news stand
Re[2]: 66 425
Re: '63 Olds convertible
Re: '63 Olds convertible
Re: Cooling Systems, T-Stats, Tools, Etc
Re: `48 Olds for sale in VA

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:54:23 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 out of a '69 Delta 88- part two

At 09:52 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>One more question on the 1969 version of the 455.
>
>Apparently there were three versions of the 455 available
>in the '69 88.  Low compression 310hp, (?)mid compression(?)
>and high compression 390hp.  How do you tell these apart
>easily?  Carb numbers? Any other external clues?

The 310hp was the 2-bbl motor, with 9.0:1 compression; this was standard on
all Deltas, except the basic Delta 88, which came with the 350 2-bbl (no
4-bbl) as standard. You can pretty much tell what engine you've got if
you've got a 2-bbl on there...

Optional on the Delta lineup was the 365hp (which was the standard and
_only_ engine available on the 98) or the L-32 390hp 455 (this was the W-33
the next year).

It's going to be tough to tell them apart, since they use the same castings,
same 4-bbl carb (7029251), same distributor (1111935).

The difference lies primarily in the valve size (L-32 has the 2.07" intake,
as opposed to the standard 2.00") and the camshaft (the L-32 has the same
cam as the 400hp W-34 engine from the Toronado; in fact, apart from the
intake and distributor, it is a W-34 engine).

Of course, if this were a _new_ engine, you could always look at the
two-letter sticker on the oil-fill tube to discern this:

The 310hp 2-bbl 455 had the code of UC (w/o AC) or UD (w/AC) with an
automatic transmission, or a code of UJ with a standard transmission (A
column-shifted M14 3-speed, God bless their souls... That'd be an
interesting thing to drive!)

The 365hp 4-bbl 455 had the code of UN w/o AC, or UO w/AC (no manual trans
available... :(

The 390hp 4-bbl 455 had the code of UL

Another hint: The tune-up label for the engines are different:
310hp: OW
365hp: OV
390hp: O2 (listed in that chart as a police motor)

If the L-32 was in fact part of the police package, there would be other
indications: it would likely be part of package B-01 (city) or B-07 (highway
pursuit), which would have the 1 1/32" front stabilizer bar (as opposed to
the standard 31/32" front bar), a rear bar (apparently, though the shop
manual is rather vague on this point) and, I'd imagine, the front-disc brakes.

Also, for the sake of completeness, there are mentioned two "export" engines
with low-compression, a 2-bbl (code UE or UK) and a 4-bbl (code UR) engine;
they are mentioned only in the tune-up chart, however, and not in the
application or engine specs location, so I don't know what they might have
been put it, or what their hp rating was.

So, unless the two-letter sticker is still present, then the absence of any
hd or police suspension on the car would likely indicate a standard 365hp
455. The surest way to check, though, is the size of the intake valves:
2.00", it's 365hp; 2.07", it's 390hp.

The two Toronado engines were both 10.25:1 that year, and rated at either
375hp or 400hp (Olds always rated their Toronado engines highest, regardless
of whether they were nearly identical to the engines in the "lesser"
models...) _______________________________________________________ Dr. Robert
Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu Theology Dept, Providence
College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:57:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 455 stuff -- Also Delta GT???

At 10:23 PM 5/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
[snip]
>Delta: 365@4600 ; 390@5000 for GT     ---A Delta 88 GT?????  Hmm.
[snip]
>Does anyone know anything about the Delta GT???  I've never heard of it.  Is
>this a misprint, or have I not met one of our cousins, yet?  :)

I also saw a reference somewhere to a '69 Toro GT, which indicated the 400hp
W-34 motor, though they didn't get the badges until the 1970 model. Perhaps
Olds was toying with the idea of designating all their full-size, top hp
models as GT's? I'd like to see a factory memo on that one, though, before I
go speculating on it.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:59:45 -0300
Subject: Cooking with Oldsmobiles: Cutlass Cod Supreme

Here is somthin' for your Memorial Day Weekend treks.

While at a local flea market last year, I spied upon an interesting
paperback on "flea's" table.  It was entitled "Manifold Destiny".  I
always wanted to read some of the classic literature that is out there
and for $.25, I couldn't go wrong.  That evening I sat down to start the
book and found out it wasn't the one I was hoping it would be.  What I
had picked up was an automotive cookbook!

Looking through the book, I came across some interesting facts about
automotive cuisine, and it isn't limited to the local drive-in grease
burger with fries and a shake!  The authors Chris Maynard and Bill
Scheller go into detail as to how they came upon some of their
discoveries, along with a short history of "highway frying", Dinty Moore
explosions heat sources around the engine bay, safety measures, utensils
and other items to bring along with of source stories from the road.=20
The last part of the book has recipes for the road.  Here is one recipe,
Cutlass Cod Supreme (obviously I had to use this recipe or people would
think that my loyalty is going to my stomach and not my 442) is one I'll
try on a long trip,  You could probably make any of the recipes in the
book at home, but you won't get the looks that you would on the road at
a rest stop when you pull out a fillet mingeon from under the hood of
your Ninety-Eight Regency!!!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
=20
Cod, the sacred fish of New England, is the foundation of the region=92s
vaunted white cuisine.  (Note: the second version of this recipie we
have gotten risque by adding two ingredients that actually have color -
tarragon and paprika.)

Here is the basic version, which is a nice introductory recipie for
car-cooking novices.  It has all three ingredients, and it=92s ready in a
jiffy.  Whhat=92s more, its ideal for impilsive eaters who like to be abl=
e
to cruise up to the supermarket, breeze through the express lane, and
put together their dinner right in the parking lot with no home prep
work necessary.

Distance: 40-70 miles

4 cod fillets
4 tablespoons butter
1 tablespoon lemon juice

At home or on the road, using 1 to 2 tablespoons of butter, grease 4
separate sheets of foil.  Place cod fillet on each sheet, dot with
remaining butter, and sprinkle with lemon juice.  Wrap each fillet
separately.

Cook 45 minutes to 1 hour and 15 minutes, depending upon thickness of
fillets and location on car engine.

If you want to get a little fancier and do some advance preparation in
your kitchen, try this version.

To the above ingredients, add:

2 tablespoons butter
1 small onion, very finely minced
1 1/2 teaspoon dried tarragon
Paprika to taste

At home, melt butter and add onion, lemon juice and tarragon.  Arrange
each fillet on a separate piece of foil, and brush both sides liberally
with buter mixture.  Dust with paprika and wrap.  Cook as above.

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From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:05:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Need help

go to www.442.com   its the bryceman olds page    they have parts ads from
all over the us   its a rock solid olds web site dedicated to all oldsmobiles
 they have all kinds of olds info there

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 20:05:03 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 455 stuff -- Also Delta GT???

Charley Buehner wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about the Delta GT???  I've never heard of it.  Is
> this a misprint, or have I not met one of our cousins, yet?  :)

Don't know anything about a Delta GT.  The 390 hp was an option for the
standard Delta line as well as the Delta Custom and the Royale.  It
included a 4bbl carb and dual exhaust.

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 21:50:40 -0300
Subject: Re: news stand

Richard Staley wrote:
>
> david harmon wrote:
> >
> > Where do i get muscle car review? I have not seen it at news stands here
> > . I live in Tennessee.
>
>  I can never find it in Arlington Texas(by Dallas)either.
>
>           RS
>         '70 442 4-speed

Muscle car review is only published about 6 times a year. It would be
real easy to miss. Try http://www.d-p-g.com/musclecar/default.htm

Danny

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:08:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

At 03:38 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>Speaking of Ram Air hoods, I was wondering how do I tell the differences
>between a repro and the real mccoy?
>
>Chris Smetana

Chris

        The easy way to tell the difference is in the scoops. The originals
were smooth inside the scoops and ALL the repros are smooth on the outside.
There is one company that produces a OAI hood that is functional and has a
steel frame. The company is ASC&P out of Penn. They also make the best all
fiberglass repro. You can get these in kit form and make a steel reinforced
hood yourself, cutting up a steel hood for the reinforcment. They really
look good when they are done. These people also repop the under hood screen
for $40.00. The price of an all fiberglass hood is $465.00. The kit is a
little less.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: Robert and Susan Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:15:55 -0300
Subject: ALL  442  PICTURES

Correction on e-mail address. I gave all of you the wrong e-mail address
to send me any and all 442 pictures. Please list make and model with
pictures. rcolombo@sonic.com


  71' 442


              THANKS
                       Rookie on the comp.

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:19:19 -0300
Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                              Only Oldsmobiles

**** New stuff to list****
___________________
70-72 455 Engine Mounts  $42.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts  $38.00 pr
68-69 12 Bolt 'C' Type Posi Rear 3.73:1 (Posi rebuilt)  $550.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $40.00 ea
68-72 Cowl/Windshield mouldings  $25.00ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $30.00 pr
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits but good)  $12.00 pr
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $50.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71-72 LH Sport Mirror-Remote (N.O.S.)  $145.00 ea

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
66-67 425/400 Fuel Pump (N.O.S.)  $40.00
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grille (N.O.S.) $70.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $40.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $90.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 442 RH Grille (N.O.S.) $300.00

Used Parts
_________
64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $25.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $10.00
V-8 Emblem  $5.00

66 Cutlass/442
(2) 66-69 SSI Wheels  $40.00 ea
Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Cutlass Front Grille  $40.00
LH Rear side molding  $10.00
Glove Box Door  $35.00
Front Bumper Cores  $65.00 ea
Rear Bumper Cores  $65.00 ea
Rear Window Molding Set  $75.00 set
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 ea
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
Cutlass Headlight Bezels  $65.00 pr
Supreme/442 Side Moldings  $15.00 ea piece
Rear Window Molding Set  $75.00 set
Front Bumper Cores  $65.00 ea
Rear Bumper Cores  $65.00 ea
A Pillar Moldings  $15.00 ea
Glove Box Door  $35.00
(2) Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $20.00 ea

68 Cutlass/442
68 Cutlass/442 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $45.00
442 Fender Emblem (1 set)  $20.00
442 Grille Emblem  $20.00
Headlight Plastics  $100.00 pr
Hood Hinge Set  $50.00 pr
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set

69 Cutlass/442
442 Grilles (nice)  $180.00 pr
69 442 Rear Bumper (nice)  $130.00
Hood Tongue  $15.00 ea
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
Hood Louver Chrome  $40.00 pr
Hood Louver Moldiings  $40.00 pr
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set

70 Cutlass/442
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
70 Cutlass Trunk Rocket (nice)  $10.00
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 5)  $200.00 / (set of 4)  $160.00
S Hood Chrome Vents  $40.00 pr
S Hood Vent Moldings  $40.00 pr
Hood Tongue  $25.00 ea
Cutlass Supreme RH Door (rust free)  $110.00
"S" Black Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $45.00 pr
Trunk Edge Moldings  $35.00 ea
Windshield Molding Sets  $85.00 set
Rear Upper Control Arms  $40.00 pr
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $100.00
442 Coupe Trunk Lid (little rust)  $75.00
Black A/C and Non A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea
(1) Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)

71 Cutlass/442
71 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (nice)  pot metal  $125.00 pr
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 5)  $200.00 / (set of 4)  $160.00
Trunk Edge Moldings  $35.00 ea

72 Cutlass/442
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 5)  $200.00 / (set of 4)  $160.00
Trunk Edge Moldings  $35.00 ea

Toronado Parts
66-68 Toro Pitman Arm (excellent cond) GM  $45.00
66-? Toronado Front Brake Drum  $15.00
66-69 Toronado Interior Moldings (Ivory)  $5.00 ea
66-69 Toronado LH & RH Rear Side Windows  $30.00 ea
66-68 Toronado Back Glass  $40.00
68-69 Toronado Headlight Vacuum Module  $40.00
68 Toronado Air Cleaner Pie Tin  $5.00
66-68 Toronado Trailer Hitch Assm.  $20.00

We have more parts in stock, and more coming!  The reproduction 70-72
Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicators $24.00 ea. plus $3.00 shipping.
We have also reproduced the 63 Starfire console shift lens $35.00 plus $3.00
shipping.  70-72 Hurst Dual Gate shift lens coming soon. Looking for a decent
64-66 and 67-69 auto trans shift lens for reference to reproduce.

Jim Chermack
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
'72 442
'86 Ninety Eight
'94 Cutlass Supreme
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: "Dave Bird" <gannet@cftnet.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:14:40 -0300
Subject: LD Title Transfers?

I'm considering buying a car long distance.  I will not be going in
person to look at the car (no comments on this part please).

What I'm curious about is how to handle the title transfer.  Most
states require that buyer and seller both sign the title and then
have it notarized.  Most Notaries will not not seal it unless both
persons are present and produce photo ID.

I know there is such a thing as a Power Of Attorney.  But how would
this work in practice?  Do I get a Power Of Attorney and then send it
to the person with the car?  Do I get a Power Of Attorney from them
with a blank title and then sign for both of us?  What?

I'm sure someone out there has been through this.  All information
appreciated.

On a related note, anyone have any good or bad reports on auto
transport companies?

Dave Bird
gannet@cftnet.com
St. Petersburg, FL

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:38:20 -0300
Subject: Re: One more for the road...

At 09:13 PM 5/22/97 -0300, Charley Buehner wrote:
>     Bought a sister for the Rockit today.  Unfortunately, she had a
>multitude of terminal illnesses, but she's agreed to be an organ donor
>(posthumously).

Charley, you keep buying cars and eventually you will have me beat. Geez I
got an advantage by being in the salvage business and you still seem to get
better cars than me ;-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28............13.402 @ 102.31
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..restoration project

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:00:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Well I can't take it any longer, I'm gonna have to add my .02 to this
thread.  Having driven a bright yellow `72 Vista-Cruiser wagon to high
school and college, people have said a *lot* about my car.  But I've allways
had a thick skin so most of it never got to me.  Theese are just a few
remarks,  I got a million of 'em. :)

- -The most common remark is "bannana boat."  That one just isn't funny at all
anymore.  It doesn't bother me, it just got old.....Try to imagine hearing
"show me the money" every time someone looks at your car, that's what it's
like.

- -"has that got a four-forty-two in it?"

- -"has that got a 454 in it?"  (now that one hurts)

- -"What is that, a (insert domestic car brand______)?"

- -"I haven't seen one of thoes old wagons in years"

- -I was dving by a frat house with an early evening party in session and
someone remarked very loudly:  ".......aaaaawwwww.  That big yellow bomb and
no one to wallow with!"

- -"you wouldn't have trouble finding that thing in the parking lot when
you're drunk"

- -"hey that looks kinda cool with thoes sunroofs in it"

- -"what's that little bitty window handle for?" (NO ONE has ever seen
crank-out ventopanes before)

- -"Taxi!"

- -"Captain Pruett!"  (said with a salute when passed in the hall between
classes in high school)

- -"Boy she was thirsty tonight."  (Said by the gas station attendant when I
pumped in 22 gallons before it was full.)

- -"That thing would be awsome (as a lowrider/with a system in it)."

- -"Throw out the anchor dude, you're docked."  (Said by a friend while I was
paralell parking.)

- -"I think you should drive something bigger."  (the teacher on parking lot
duty was watching me try and paralell park the thing.)

- -"I saw you leaving the parking lot yesterday!  You were burnin' rubber in
that big yellow barge of yours!"
(Caught by a high school teacher, guilty as charged.)

- -And my personal favorite:
"Sh*t...If that thing would go a hundred and twenty, I'd kiss your ass!"
He wealched on the bet.


Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:46:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

- ----------
> At 03:38 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Speaking of Ram Air hoods, I was wondering how do I tell the differences
> >between a repro and the real mccoy?
> >
> >Chris Smetana
>
> Chris
>
>         The easy way to tell the difference is in the scoops. The
originals
> were smooth inside the scoops and ALL the repros are smooth on the
outside.
> There is one company that produces a OAI hood that is functional and has a
> steel frame. The company is ASC&P out of Penn. They also make the best all
> fiberglass repro. You can get these in kit form and make a steel
reinforced
> hood yourself, cutting up a steel hood for the reinforcment. They really
> look good when they are done. These people also repop the under hood
screen
> for $40.00. The price of an all fiberglass hood is $465.00. The kit is a
> little less.
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> 72 442 (350)
> 86 Ninety Eight
> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> 96 C-1500
>

         Jim,How is your  screen mounted to the hood on your
W-32 ?  The reason i 'am asking is that mine has a black plastic push-in
  fastener w/ a hole in the center.  Kind-of looks like a rivet. I need to
take mine of & get the leaves, bugs out.  Thanks Luke

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 15:05:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Chevy Quality

>Hey, guys.  Today, a friend of mine at school said he blew the motor in
>his 87 Monte SS.  Said the head gasket broke, allowing water into the
>piston; it compressed, and bend a rod.  Now it sounds like he's taking a
>hammer to the outside of the door when he drives away...
>
>Oh, well...says he's looking at an S10 pickup...some people never learn.

Think he'd sell me the tranny?  I might be interested if it's a 200-4R
overdrive with the heavier duty valve body in it.

Ch*vys might be good for something after all.  :)

Greg Pruett
`67 Cutlass Supreme
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: Robert and Susan Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:56:45 -0300
Subject: PICTURES PICTURES 442 PICTURES

Send to rcolombo@sonic.com


  71' 442               Pretty Desperate Huh!

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:10:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods

At 02:46 PM 5/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
        Jim,How is your  screen mounted to the hood on your W-32 ?
The reason I am asking is that mine has a black plastic push-in  fastener w/
a hole in the center. Kind-of looks like a rivet. I need to take mine of &
get the leaves, bugs out.

Thanks Luke

Luke

        Mine is attached with panel addhesive in eight different spots.
There are no rivet type things at all. That's the way the factory did them.
This does have a tendancy to get hard and brittle over the years and may
crack allowing the screen to fall down in areas. I can't remove mine to
clean anything out. Reverse your shop vacuum and blow it back out the big
holes.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:21:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

I'm sure the other Toro owners have lots to add to this quick list, but
here's what I've heard in the last year of driving a Toro:

* From my neighbor, to whom I've told a dozen times that they're Toronados:
"Yeah, Bob here has a collection of Rivieras up in his driveway." (ok,
granted, they're the same basic bodyshell, but c'mon...)

* In about a dozen different forms: "They made front-wheel drive cars back
then???"

* From a counter-person at an auto-body panel shop, when I've just asked if
they carried a battery tray for a 1969 Toronado: "An Olds Coronado?"

* "What engine's it got in there?" Now this last one is understandable from
non-car type people, but I *regularly* get this from car-type folks and
experienced counter guys at auto-parts stores, who might have caught on to
the fact that Olds ONLY put 455's in Toronados from 1968-1976. Some day,
when they ask what motor in my '68 or '69 Toro, I'm going to say it's got a
231cid V-6, and see what kind of water pump they give me...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:45:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Chevy Quality

At 09:30 PM 5/22/97 -0300, Jason Adcock wrote:
>Hey, guys.  Today, a friend of mine at school said he blew the motor in
>his 87 Monte SS.  Said the head gasket broke, allowing water into the
>piston; it compressed, and bend a rod.  Now it sounds like he's taking a
>hammer to the outside of the door when he drives away...

Heh, my old 88 Iroc-Z had well over 160,000 and still ran well. Sisters 87
Impala has 230,000 and runs well.  Now on the other hand, I blew a head
gasket at the race track last weekend with my 24,000 mile 93 Z/28 ;-)
Problem was attributed to the previous owner as he ran a 175 NOS kit on the
block on a frequent basis. 175 is overkill on a stock LT1.  Anyways I went
from fully ported heads to stock replacement ones now and with this will
come slower e.t's
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........13.402 @ 102.31 on the old engine, new times ?
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car that is slow as hell...but looks fast
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....another slow as hell car that looks slow

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 01:58:46 -0300
Subject: RE: Re Yellow interior

Yellow
>outside......Yellow inside.........Black top

My '67 C/S convert was navy blue with a light blue top & two tone
dark/light blue interior.  All in all a sharp car.

I doubt you'd lie about something like yellow interior!!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 02:06:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

My all time favorite was when I'd tell people my '67 C/S had a 330, and
they'd smile, pat me on the shoulder and lean in close to say "It's a 350
honey".



Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: "Bryce Osborne" <LAVAROOM@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 02:13:07 -0300
Subject: Brake info

I have a 69 Delta 88 w/455 and have been unable to locate front rotors and
rear drums. Is there any retrofit or source for parts?
Bryce

------------------------------

From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 03:02:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

- ----------
> -"Throw out the anchor dude, you're docked."  (Said by a friend while I
was
> paralell parking.)

> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
>

LOL!!

Had a freind in high school that had a balck 73 98 and he carried a pair of
big old trolling rods
 with small pirate flags tied to the line and would have them sticking out
the back windows as he
drove down the highway.
Frank
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 442
90 LSC

------------------------------

From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 03:08:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaking of Ram Air Hoods\ASC&P??

> There is one company that produces a OAI hood that is functional and has
a
> steel frame. The company is ASC&P out of Penn.
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> 72 442 (350)
> 86 Ninety Eight
> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> 96 C-1500
>
Jim,
Do you have a number for them?Do they have a Catalog?
Thanks
Frank
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 Cutlass s
90 LSC


------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 04:28:46 -0300
Subject: Re: the Jakarta Connection, W-32

> If Iam not mistaken, there was another Olds here in Jakarta around 10 yrs.
> ago but I do not know how many at present, at least there is one '65  Delta
> 88 in Jakarta and soon will show off  around Jakarta.Imagine with traffic
> jam in Jakarta (it's traffic jam all the time in Jakarta), with left hand
> drive steering wheel on right hand drive street.

I have been in the traffic "jam" in Cairo. I would NEVER drive our Olds
there.
There were a LOT of cars and they seemed to have no logic rules at all.
The
impression was that the car with the loudest horn was the winner.
Something like that in Jakarta ?

- --
Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116

Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
                              0\\\  o  ;/\\
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight       \\        \/ \
1964 4D HT                    //////\ //\   \
Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 04:41:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 71' 442 asking again

Below is a sample how a picture "looks" in the digest form.

I have a one megabaud connection so I can't see any difference in
upload time, well it varies between 2 to 10 seconds for one digest.

Exceptionally large digests can take up to 15 seconds but I have never
experienced longer upload times.

BUT if You don't have this kind of a connection (ISDN in USA is
priced beyound the reach of ordinary people) You can find Yourself
waiting for minutes.......getting the following "picture".

Anyway, the pictures are captured before they are sent to on-line
users so NOBODY gets the real stuff.

> From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 23:39:00 -0300
> Subject: Re: 71' 442 asking again

> - --PART.BOUNDARY.0.19471.emout04.mail.aol.com.864355104
> Content-ID: <0_19471_864355104@emout04.mail.aol.com.10967>
> Content-type: text/plain

> dont have any manuals but i have a few pics      I have a 71 olds 442 myself
>  the pics are not of my car but of a friends     if you come across a manual
> source please let me know   the pic is of a 69 442

> - --PART.BOUNDARY.0.19471.emout04.mail.aol.com.864355104
> Content-ID: <0_19471_864355104@emout04.mail.aol.com.10968>
> Content-type: image/jpeg;
>name="69442.JPG"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

> /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAgEARgBGAAD/7QG4UGhvdG9zaG9wIDMuMAA4QklNA+kAAAAAAHgAAwAA
> AEgASAAAAAAC2gIo/+H/4gL5AkYDRwUoA/wAAgAAAEgASAAAAAAC2AIoAAEAAABkAAAAAQAD
> AwMAAAABJw8AAQABAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYAgAGQGQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
> AAAAAAAAAAA4QklNA+0AAAAAABAARgAAAAEAAQBGAAAAAQABOEJJTQPzAAAAAAAIAAAAAAAA
> AAA4QklNJxAAAAAAAAoAAQAAAAAAAAACOEJJTQP1AAAAAABIAC9mZgABAGxmZgAGAAAAAAAB
<SNIP>

This goes on fo up to several hundred kilobytes (The top was a 600Kb
"picture")

- --
Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116

Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
                              0\\\  o  ;/\\
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight       \\        \/ \
1964 4D HT                    //////\ //\   \
Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

------------------------------

From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 04:52:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Brake info

go to www.442.com    olds web site   have parts sources galore  rock solid
web site devoted to olds fans not just 442 but all makes of olds and olds
parts suppliers

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 04:48:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Prize of harmonic balancer

Thank You for the encouraging prize information.

My friend is today (it's friday) at Windsor and will visit
Fusic at the time.

He will bring the balancer among his luggage. Just wondering
how he clears the customs. That part must look like a bomb
in the X-ray..........

- --
Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116

Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
                              0\\\  o  ;/\\
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight       \\        \/ \
1964 4D HT                    //////\ //\   \
Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 06:31:14 -0300
Subject: ADMIN: was Re: 71' 442 asking again

Well, this week I updated the welcome message people get when they
s*bscribe to the list to emphasize the fact that pictures are forbidden
from being sent to the list. Made it a separate section, put it on the
first page of the message so people can't miss it, etc. Figured after the
one earlier this week, we needed something a little more emphatic.

Digest members know that it happened again overnight. My patience has run
out. The person who sent it is gone from the list. That will be the
policy from here on out. I'm sorry, but I don't know what else I can do
to stop this from happening.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 06:59:03 -0300
Subject: Customer service

I found this piece of text in a site of Year One.

 "We have an online order form which you can use to order your catalog.
  We currently do not have any encryption software on our site, so your
  credit card information will be transmitted via standard e-mail. Some
  people are wary of this method, so you may want to call or fax your
  information to us."

It is always good to see when somebody takes care of the customer.

Hip Hurraa !! ( Hooray )

- --
Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 2040 3439
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116

Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
                              0\\\  o  ;/\\
Oldsmobile Ninety Eight       \\        \/ \
1964 4D HT                    //////\ //\   \
Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

------------------------------

From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:04:00 -0300
Subject: Re: This is hilarious (was: Defoggers (was: Overheating))

> Gotta come to Andy's defense, though, 'cuz I'm sure I'd have the entire PETA
> group jumping my case if I ever caught someone's dog marking my tires...  I
> have to hold back when my cats climb on the hood!

Are you guys sure they were wearing PETA t-shirts, and not PETO
(People for the Ethical Treatment of Oldsmobiles)?



Tim ("If Animals Weren't Meant to be Eaten, They Wouldn't be Made out of
Meat") Churchill - ------------- '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible,
a.k.a. 'Big Red' '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen' '91 Mazda
Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:37:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Cooking with Oldsmobiles: Cutlass Cod Supreme

> Here is one recipe,
> Cutlass Cod Supreme (obviously I had to use this recipe or people w=
ould
> think that my loyalty is going to my stomach and not my 442)=20

<snip>

ROFTLMAO!  This is just too much!  Will have to look through books at
yard sales a bit more carefully...

And what a perfect recipe to cook in (on?) Big Red!  Too bad I'm not =
heading
to Cape Cod this Memorial Weekend -- a wedding on Sunday in NJ preclu=
ded it --
it would be the thing to cook on the way ;)

> Cod, the sacred fish of New England, is the foundation of the regio=
n=92s
> vaunted white cuisine. =20

I stick to Haddock these days; the old adage "it ain't Cawd if'n it d=
on't
have *worms*" doesn't do it for me anymore :P

> Distance: 40-70 miles

Hmmm, it's 100 miles to my fishin' hole near Brewster, I hope it does=
n't
overcook :)

Say, this could be another excuse for a big block!  "Gee hon, if I ge=
t the
455, lookit the additional cooking space!" :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:41:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)

Received this apology from the picture-poster...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:13:12 -0300
From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List

 I am very sorry the picture was sent.   My oldest son was checking my mail
and saw the request in the letter for pictures of all 442 and sent the
picture not knowing it was forbidden to do so.   But again it is my screen
name and my responsibility for it and again I apologize for any inconveinence
the other members may have expeienced.  I also apologize to you as an
administrator for the problems it caused you.  I had only been a member for 1
day and I assure you it was not intentional or meant to be a prank.  My
oldest son and I share the same love for fine Oldsmobiles and share the same
respect for other peoples enjoyments and again I apologize to anyone that we
may have inconvienenced.  I do hope you will reconsider us in the future for
re-instatement into your organization because we both enjoyed the services
provided here.

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:04:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Received this apology from the picture-poster...
>
> I do hope you will reconsider us in the future for re-instatement into
> your organization because we both enjoyed the services provided here.

Awww.  Give him a break.  Besides, I have several GIFs of various
varieties of Spam we can fill up his mailbox with if he (or junior) does
it again.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 06:17:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

You dont happen to have a fab shroud for the 1964 do you??I would
like to put an O.E. in if I can.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:30:23 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass S Covert Chrome Pieces (WAS no subject)

At 08:57 AM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>> Anybody know where i can get replacement for chrome piece that boot
>> cover attaches to on '67 Cutlass S Covert? Also need windshield trim for
>> same.
>
>Try giving Bill LaPierre a call, at (860)  763 - 3134.  He also has a web
page >for his stuff, at http://marketspot.com/442.htm.  He's located in
Somers, CT. >Specializes in '66-'67 CS & 442 stuff.  I drove down to his house
a few months >back and picked up a lot of li'l trim pieces, in much better
shape than the >ones I had, and the price was reasonable. > >The lucky b*st*rd
also lives about 5 miles from Fusicks :) > >Hope this helps!! > > > >Tim
Churchill >------------- >'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a.
'Big Red' >'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen' >'91 Mazda
Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced' > >Ditto, I too have used Bill
for parts and I live in Ft.Worth, Texas...He shipped them to me in fine shape
and is very reliable, and just a nice guy....
                                                              Robert Knowles
                                                              66' Cutlass
Holiday Cp

------------------------------

From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:37:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior

let's set the record straight - in 67, "yellow" was a more pleasant-sounding
"saffron" - with a saffron exterior it looked great, ideally without a vinyl
top but with redlines.  With any other color, it looked, well, YELLOW!

------------------------------

From: Hiflyr442@AOL.COM
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:36:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Re Yellow interior

let's set the record straight - in 67, "yellow" was a more pleasant-sounding
"saffron" - with a saffron exterior it looked great, ideally without a vinyl
top but with redlines.  With any other color, it looked, well, YELLOW!

------------------------------

From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 10:41:16 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass S Covert Chrome Pieces (WAS no subject)

At 08:57 AM 5/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>> Anybody know where i can get replacement for chrome piece that boot
>> cover attaches to on '67 Cutlass S Covert? Also need windshield trim for
>> same.
>
>Try giving Bill LaPierre a call, at (860)  763 - 3134.  He also has a web
page >for his stuff, at http://marketspot.com/442.htm.  He's located in
Somers, CT. >Specializes in '66-'67 CS & 442 stuff.  I drove down to his house
a few months >back and picked up a lot of li'l trim pieces, in much better
shape than the >ones I had, and the price was reasonable. > >The lucky b*st*rd
also lives about 5 miles from Fusicks :) > >Hope this helps!! > > > >Tim
Churchill >------------- >'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a.
'Big Red' >'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen' >'91 Mazda
Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced' > >Can someone tell me how to
post in this group/mailing liast....I can only reply...guess i am a dumb
ass.....send instructions to bigrob@flash.net
                                                         Robert Knowles
                                                         66 Cutlass Holiday Cp

------------------------------

From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:45:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Things people have said about my cars

Hi Greg,

> Well I can't take it any longer, I'm gonna have to add my .02 to this
> thread.  Having driven a bright yellow `72 Vista-Cruiser wagon to high
> school and college, people have said a *lot* about my car.  But I've allways
> had a thick skin so most of it never got to me.  Theese are just a few
> remarks,  I got a million of 'em. :)

So where are the pictures?  I happen to like yellow vehicles.
Especially the
ones with black interiors.  Sorta resembles a bumble bee.  Don't want to
mess with that pup! :-)  I am thinking of a way to get a neighbor's
72-442 that
he has basically abandoned.  The best part is that it is a bumble bee.
I
can just feel it stinging competitors along the way.  E-Yow!

Later...

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

------------------------------

From: Mark_Tonazzi@nt.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:18:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Wanted....tires !

        Reply to:   RE>Wanted....tires !

Ah yes, I do have them, I think about 6 are up in the attack, I was =
saving them for just the reason you mentioned............but I may let =
them go, how much are you willing to pay, they have about 20K on them.  I =
also have a set ON my 85 MCSS, it's garaged and driven less than 2K a =
year.

E-mail me off line.

Mark_Tonazzi@nt.com
MT


- --------------------------------------
Date: 5/22/97 3:21 PM
To: Mark Tonazzi
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Does anyone out there have any good used Goodyear Eagle GT's P215-65 R15
RWL tires, maybe a set of good pull's. Especially you late model 80's GM
owners, if you changed from the factory GT's and still have them around
I could use a good spare set for my 1983 H/O show car. Gotta keep it
original, ya know !

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:41:08 -0300
Subject: 81 year old 4-4-2 owner

As some of you may have read, there was a fire in Indianapolis where
they build the floats for the 500 Festival parade, 10 floats were
destroyed.  An 81 year old Indy resident named Ester Chambless is
loaning her 1968 4-4-2 convertible to the parade, to help fill the gap
caused by the destroyed floats.  Said her granddaughter, "She loves the
500, that car and her dog."  Ester (the owner) is currently in Community
Hospital East (Indy) recovering from heart surgery and will not be able
to attend the parade.  I found this in www.starnews.com, the
Indianapolis newspaper on line.  A very special Olds owner indeed!

Have a great weekend,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 00:54:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Prize of harmonic balancer

>Thank You for the encouraging prize information.
>
>My friend is today (it's friday) at Windsor and will visit
>Fusic at the time.
>
>He will bring the balancer among his luggage. Just wondering
>how he clears the customs. That part must look like a bomb
>in the X-ray..........

No doubt he'll be held up for hours while he trys to explain to a Finland
customs officer what the hell a "harmonic balancer" and an "Oldsmobile
Ninety Eight" are.  :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:12:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Defoggers (was: Overheating)

>Mike smirks, slips in a puddle of soapy water, gets back up, and climbs
>back into the Toro.  He stares at the poster of Route 66 on the garage
>door and makes motor noises...

Life, on the whole, had been pretty good for Mike: despite Andy's getting
that little misunderstanding with PETA worked out, Mike _was_ able to get
the statue of Andy that they erected reduced in size to 120 feet -- a
notable achievement, since they had still gone ahead and installed it on
Mike's front lawn, and he had been worried that its shadow would interfere
with the potted azaleas.

Plus, of course, his June copy of "Soap 'n' Squeegee" had arrived that
morning,
and was now propped up on the dashboard in front of him, so he could read and
"drive" at the same time.

"Brrmmmm! Brrmmmm!" said Mike, grabbing the wheel of the Toro, twisting it
back forth and making his best tire-screeching sounds. "Here's the world
famous jackstand expert, racing down the street on high-performance... um...
jackstands--" His thoughts about getting the jackstands chrome-plated were
interrupted by a thump on the hood. Something barked suddenly.

Slowly, nervously, Mike lowered his "Soap 'n' Squeegee" and peered out
through
the windshield. Standing on the hood was a small spotted dog, growling softly
and baring its teeth. The dog was wearing goggles and a small fitted cape
with
an Oldsmobile logo on it. "Checkers!" exclaimed Mike, "I-- I-- I thought you
died in that tragic squeegee accident!"

Slowly, Checkers advanced. Mike tugged desperately on the door handle...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:15:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Junkyard Idiot (was: Things people have said about my ca

Yeah, when he said "and it's a rocket", I thought "uh ooo, should we go
there?" Well, it was fun anyways!

Then there's the Toro sitting angled down a 60 degree hill . . .

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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When Dave Brown, Karl Aune, and I were at A&B, the guy showing us around (who
had the hands that were so dirty, they looked like he PAINTED them black) was
showing us an engine that we thought at first might be a big block.  We
started down this road of whether a 350 (which was what we were looking at)
was actually a "Rocket", and we said it was at least twice, but obviously, it
didn't sink in.  He didn't seem real bring, at one time mubling about getting
lost in the yard after a few beers (what a suprise, ha).  These were the same
guys who knocked over, and tried running over the fire barrel (in the yard),
with the pick-up, of course there was still a fire in it!

Chris Ruper

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From: "Larry D. John" <ljohn@cowan.cnz.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:29:23 -0300
Subject: '63 Olds convertible

  I used to own a '63 Olds Dynamic 88 convertible and have regretted ever
selling it.  Does anyone have either an 88 or a 98 in above average
condition to sell?  Midwest (Indiana, Illinoi, Michigan, Ohio) is preferable.

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:54:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List (fwd)

>Received this apology from the picture-poster...
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 07:13:12 -0300
>From: BoneDaddy4@aol.com
>To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: Removal from Olds List
>
> I am very sorry the picture was sent.   My oldest son was checking my mail

[SNIP]

[SNIFFLE]

[HONK!!!]

Well, as I wipe my eyes, I am suddenly reminded of the gate keeper in the
Wizard of Oz ;-)

Can we just give him every other message for a month as punisment ;-)


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Sat, 24 May 1997 00:21:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Chevy Quality

>At 09:30 PM 5/22/97 -0300, Jason Adcock wrote:
>>Hey, guys.  Today, a friend of mine at school said he blew the motor in
>>his 87 Monte SS.  Said the head gasket broke, allowing water into the
>>piston; it compressed, and bend a rod.  Now it sounds like he's taking a
>>hammer to the outside of the door when he drives away...
>

We all know how Jason L.and I feel about Chevy bashing and I usualy don't
respond anymore but this one cracks me up.

Blown head gaskets..........How big of a bath did Oldsmobile take on
warranty work for Quad 4 head gasket replacements?  I think every division
has its goods and bads.  My '89 Calais Quad 4 was the biggest piece of crap
I ever owned.  Nothing but problems.  I blame that car and not Olds quality
though. I will NEVER own a Quad 4 again.  2 Head gaskets, 1 Water Pump and
a set of injectors all before 85,000 miles.  My wife was stranded one too
many times on the expressway for me!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:30:49 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: The cat [dog] is out of the bag!

Good to hear from you again, and wow that is pretty old!! If you have www or
internet access, ftp the zip file from the ftp site listed below. Then open
oldsfaq3.htm in your browser, and away you go!!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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Hello David,

I ran across this old letter from you and was wonderinf if you could
send me the olds FAQ. I have a 1957 Super 88.

Thanks,
Willie

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:27:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 05:17 AM 5/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>You dont happen to have a fab shroud for the 1964 do you??I would

No, but I'm sure he has an absolutely "groovy" scarf, that would look good
on any year...

;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:45:22 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: news stand

Check out the "Current Issue", "Top 10 Musclecars". I won't spoil it for
you!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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Muscle car review is only published about 6 times a year. It would be
real easy to miss. Try http://www.d-p-g.com/musclecar/default.htm

Danny

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:02:49 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 66 425

Hmm, an important addition for the FAQ. Me being lazy, could you define
compression height?

For early 400 pistons (4.000" bore), I remember Chris Witt mentioning, off
the cuff, that possibly 350 pistons (4.057" bore) could be used, if the
cylinders were bored .057". This might not work.

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> Aren't 425 pistons the same as 455 pistons?
>
> I thought that that was what the Olds FAQ said.
>
>No The compression height for the 425 is 1.595 and the 455 is 1.720  the
bore is the same
Walter

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From: Brian_D'Andrea@ccmail.gmt.saic.com
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:59:07 -0300
Subject: Re: '63 Olds convertible

     I have a '69 Delta 88 in very good condition in Norhtern Virginia.
     Any interest?


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_________________________________ Subject: '63 Olds convertible Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    5/23/97 11:26 AM


  I used to own a '63 Olds Dynamic 88 convertible and have regretted ever
selling it.  Does anyone have either an 88 or a 98 in above average
condition to sell?  Midwest (Indiana, Illinoi, Michigan, Ohio) is preferable.



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From: hot69w30@webtv.net (david harmon)
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 14:17:06 -0300
Subject: Re: '63 Olds convertible

how much?

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:20:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Cooling Systems, T-Stats, Tools, Etc

Opinions only!
1. $80. One of the best tools for working on cooling systems is a
"Stant" pressure tester. It's a hand pump & hose & guage w/attachments
in a case. Allows you to pressurize the system and find leaks without
running engine and heating up the system. Has attachment to test
radiator cap-(you'll be surprized how many new radiator caps lift
higher/lower than stamped). Also useful for diagnosing blown "head
gasket to water jacket". Put tester on cold system-start engine-watch
for pressure build up before temperature rises (pressure temperature
relationship).
After working on cooling system you can pressurize it, wax the car, then
check to see if system holds pressure. Listen for leaks with engine off.
Keep from burning your hands or spewing antifreeze all over your
detailed engine! Quality item-using past 5 years-would have bought 15
years ago if I only knew.
2. $0 Neat trick for determining if and which side head gasket is
blown.(for engines with T-stat at top of engine)
Remove drive belts so water pump doesn't rotate: Remove T-stat housing
and T-stat: Top cooling system to top of block: Start engine,-if a head
gasket is blown you will see bubbles and gases comming out of block
where T-stat seats: Race engine, coolant will shoot out of the block
from the blown side across to the opposite side. A very certain test.
3. $35 Tool "not" to buy-This is a fluid type combustion gas analizer. I
have one of these and find it useless-This is a giant glass basting bulb
with indicating fluid inside: Suck up at top of radiator and fluid in
bulb is supposed to change color indicating combustion gases in coolant.
Has never changed color even with massive blown head gaskets.
4. Back in the low budget years, I would add, add, add water to my
everyday driver leaky cooling systems. Then! I picked up a radiator at a
J-yard. The wrecker had my radiator side by side with the 'New" one,
told me I must have been constantly adding water: He showed me that my
radiator weighed about five times what it should. Scale from constantly
adding new water-I have no idea what the inside of that block looked
like and it's long gone. I would recommend distilled water for cooling
systems.
Kevin O'Brien 78-98

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:53:27 -0300
Subject: Re: `48 Olds for sale in VA

Unless a '49-'64 engine was swapped in, there were no '48 Rocket 88 V-8
powered Olds'. Applause for the swapper for using an Olds engine. Just FYI.

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I spotted this ad in a local trading post.  I don't know the guy or have any
idea what the car looks like.  It's probably located in southwest Virginia
in the Roanoke City area.

48 Oldsmobile coupe  (rocket 88 motor)
Automatic transmission, runs-drives-looks great
Asking $4295, trades considered
(540) 563-1705 or (540) 563-0466



I'll go have a look at it for someone if they are seriously interested and
if the car isn't too far away.  (wouldn't mind seeing it, actually)

Greg Pruett
`67 Cutlass Supreme
`72 Vista Cruiser

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