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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 15 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 612

Re: Tranny Went Kablooie!
Re: rearend ratio
Re: Olds Project Cars
Re: How to remove window handle regulator?
Halls
Re: Hall's Phone Number
Re: Tranny Went Kablooie!
Re: GM Electrical Connectors
Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88
Re: Handling Problem
Re: Power Valve Holley 750
RE: rearend ratio
Re: Oldsmobile Custon Cruiser V8 Diesel
Re: How to remove window handle regulator?
Re: rearend ratio
RE: rearend ratio
Re: Handling Problem
Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88
Re: Re-chroming prices and locations?
Re 71 Olds spotted
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re:Another Delta Owner
Re[2]: '62 buick invicta
Re[2]: 70 olds 's
Re: Decals
Re: Handling Problem
Re[2]: rearend ratio
Re: 1990 Vintage
RE: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's
Recall: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's
RE: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's
Re: e mail list
Re: Olds Project Cars and private responses
78-88 rally pac conversion
[none]
Re: rearend ratio
Re: Tranny Went Kablooie!
Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88
Re: Oldsmobile Custon Cruiser V8 Diesel
test
Re: Olds Project Cars and private responses
Re:
1950 Fisher Body Service News For Sale (4/15)
Re: Re-chroming prices and locations?
Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: test
Re: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

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From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:08:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Tranny Went Kablooie!

You do need that rebuilt.  The same thing happen to my friends 81 Malibu.
You had to floor it to start, but once it shifted to 2nd, it was fine.
They told him that it was pluged catalytic convertor, but I insisted it was
the tranny.  $350.00 later (for the convertor) and 2 weeks, he lost
reverse.  I am not sure what the problem was, but from the looks of it,
your driving after it started acting up couldn't have helped much.  His
tranny was rebuilt.

Igor Todorovic
'81 Delta 88 307 4-dr
'95 Chrysler Intrepid 3.3

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:29:20 -0300
Subject: Re: rearend ratio

anyway to tell without removing the cover?

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From: mwalker@hadco.com (Mike Walker)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:27:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Project Cars

You certainly havent violated any rules in my book !
I would like the ªª for the 67 Cutlass Conv please.\
If you could forward it to me I would surely appreciate
it !  Thanks .  (mwalker@hadco.com)

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:30:02 -0300
Subject: Re: How to remove window handle regulator?

>There's a spring clip that holds the handle to the regulator. I picked
>up
>a tool to remove them.
>In a pinch I have
>been
>able to get them off using a pair of screwdrivers to push on the clip.

I've used a small rag that will fit between the door panel and the back
of the window handle.  Pull back and forth in the direction the clip
comes off and it should pop out.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:30:02 -0300
Subject: Halls

Well, I've been busy moving into a new house the last week or so, and
haven't had a chance to keep up with my email.  As I was reading through
the 1,000+ emails in my inbox, the ones about the cars at Halls being
crushed made my stomach turn.  What an incredible waste!  Did anybody
make it out there before they closed?

Curious...


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:36:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Hall's Phone Number

Hi Bill
  Hall's phone number is 913-924-3748  but he has closed, he is crushing all
those cars.
  I bought all his NOS parts. 2 semi loads. If I can help you with parts
please e-mail me privately. I will have a computor list of NOS parts
available in about a month

Everett Horton  OCAª 1961  1-401-435-7139

E & G Automotive     ANTIQOLDS@AOL.COM
PO Box 16095
Rumford, R.I. 02916

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:45:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Tranny Went Kablooie!

>Also, there are two different atachment clips at the carb.,
>make
>sure you have the one that matches

FWIW, the kickdown cable on the TH350 in my '69 Cutlass goes through the
firewall and attaches to the accelerator pedal, not the carburetor.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:45:41 -0300
Subject: Re: GM Electrical Connectors

>I have a complete catalog. I anyone would like me to check out
>something, let me know.

How about an address/phone number so I can get my own catalog? :o


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 23:59:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88

At 10:08 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>After doing some work on my car and noticing major improvments, I find
>myself in the dark about its stock specifications.  This might sound
>stupid, but I have no idea about how much HPs it has or torqe, what its top
>speed is (pins at 140km/h), what the expected fuel economy is (307 4-bbl,
>3-speed TH250/350) etc.  If anyone can shed any light on this, it would be
>helpfull.

The 307 would have 140hp. I'd imagine the top speed is in the 105-115mph
range. Driven for maximum economy, you can probably expect to get 14-18mpg
city/22-28mpg highway.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:00:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Handling Problem

At 10:08 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently aquired BFGoodrich 255/60/15 Radials and new shocks on all four
>wheels for my 1981 Delta 88.  Although this definitly improved handling
>especialy at high speeds (i.e. ' welcome to ticket-land '), the car is all
>over the  road especialy at slower speeds (below 60mph).  It wonders all
>over the road and I find myself spending most of the time trying to keep it
>in the lane.  What might be the problem.  Could it be worn coils, or
>over-assisted steering?

It could be both of those, but the wider tires would also contribute to this
"tracking" problem. The wider tires are more likely to follow the ruts or
"tracks" in the road, especially on the highway. Changing over to a
low-ratio/higher-effort steering box and pump (from a 442/HO, or barring
finding one of those in the junkyard, from a Monte SS) would likely help.
Also check the condition of your front suspension components and the rag
joint on the steering shaft. Any weaknesses in these parts would be
exaggerated by the wider tires. Oh, worn or even soft stock bushings would
also contribute to this sensation.

It may not be one thing, but an accumulation of things. Make sure your
front-end is in tip-top shape before you make any further *improvements* to
the handling (which might mask the real problem).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:00:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Power Valve Holley 750

At 08:55 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Can anyone tell me what the power valve on a Holley 750 does, how to
>replace it if it is blown, and could this cause the car to backfire, and
>pop.

It enriches the fuel mixture at low-vacuum (wide open throttle) conditions,
so that you can run a smaller main jet for better fuel economy at
part-throttle conditions (where most street driving *should* be done.. ;).
It is accessed by removing the fuel bowl, unscrewing it and screwing in a
new one.

If yours doesn't work, you're running lean at wider throttle openings, and
that could cause those symptoms, though the power valve was probably blown
out *by* a backfire, of which it obviously wouldn't be the cause.

There is a little $6 kit available through Summit et al. that prevents the
power valve from blowing out; install that before you install another power
valve, just to find out that it *wasn't* the cause of the continuing
backfiring problem! (unless, of course, you own stock in the Holley Corp.,
Power Valve Division...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Aaron R. Weimer" <aweimer@ameritech.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:14:44 -0300
Subject: RE: rearend ratio

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From:Yorcoy@aol.com [SMTP:Yorcoy@aol.com]
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To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: rearend ratio

anyway to tell without removing the cover?

[Aaron R. Weimer] =20

Yep.. Jack the back up. Put a chalk mark on the drive shaft and a chalk =
mark on the tire.  Count the rotations of the drive shaft to make the =
tire move once. this will give you a close guess.. best way is to count =
teeth.  But I got it really close.. 3.5 for my 3.73 rear in the W30

Aaron

1972 442 W30

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:00:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Custon Cruiser V8 Diesel

At 09:27 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a 1982 Oldsmobile Custom Crusier with nearly 400,000 miles on it.
>The original engine was very bad and required constant repair, but
>Oldsmobile replaced in 1990 with a new engine and that engine has
>performed very well with nearly 300,000 miles and running vell today.
>
>My question is where can I get another new Diesel V8 engine?  My local
>dealer says that they are not available anymore.

I believe that both AC-Delco and GM Goodwrench *rebuilt* 350 diesel engines
are available. You can check their web-page to confirm this.

If all else fails, have yours rebuilt by a competent diesel mechanic (they
were used in Ch*vy trucks, so a truck place should be able to handle it).

BTW, congratulations on that mileage! What kind of MPG did you get for that
distance?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:00:14 -0300
Subject: Re: How to remove window handle regulator?

At 10:30 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>There's a spring clip that holds the handle to the regulator. I picked
>
>I've used a small rag that will fit between the door panel and the back
>of the window handle.  Pull back and forth in the direction the clip
>comes off and it should pop out.

Dave,

That's an ingenious solution! (probably born of necessity as well, huh???)
This one goes in the "neat tricks" file.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 1997 22:53:06 -0300
Subject: Re: rearend ratio

Yorcoy@aol.com wrote:
>
> anyway to tell without removing the cover?

There is a way of getting an idea. Spin the wheel one revolution and
count the revs of the drive shaft.

Danny

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:30:59 -0300
Subject: RE: rearend ratio

At 11:14 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>anyway to tell without removing the cover?
>
>Yep.. Jack the back up. Put a chalk mark on the drive shaft and a chalk
mark on the tire.  Count the rotations of the drive shaft to make the tire
move once. this will give you a close guess.. best way is to count teeth.
But I got it really close.. 3.5 for my 3.73 rear in the W30
>

Or tape a piece of string to the side of the driveshaft, and turn the wheels
(both rear wheels at the same time) around once. Now count how many times
the string is wrapped around the driveshaft, and what fraction of a turn the
tape made it around on the last turn. If it made it a full three turns and
1/4 way around on the last turn, you've got a 3.23. If it made it nearly
half way around on the last turn, you've got a 3.42. If it did 3/4, you've
got a 3.73, and if it made it almost all the way around on the last turn,
you've got a 3.91.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:16:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Handling Problem

> I recently aquired BFGoodrich 255/60/15 Radials and new shocks on all four
> wheels for my 1981 Delta 88.  Although this definitly improved handling
> especialy at high speeds (i.e. ' welcome to ticket-land '), the car is all
> over the  road especialy at slower speeds (below 60mph).  It wonders all
> over the road and I find myself spending most of the time trying to keep it
> in the lane.  What might be the problem.  Could it be worn coils, or
> over-assisted steering?

A high amount of power assist for a properly functioning steering box
shouldn't, on its own, cause a vehicle to wander; after all, assuming
that all the front end components are in as-new condition, the front
wheels should respond directly to steering wheel inputs, and not have a
mind of their own.  GM power steering systems have always had a good
degree of built-in feel.  The higher assist on some versions just require
a delicate touch so that the feedback doesn't go unnoticed.  This is a
sharp contrast to the "grasp firmly with both hands at all times" systems
of some imports.

Since you're using P255/60-15 tires, are you by chance using aftermarket
rims?  If so, do they have the same offset as the originals?  If not, the
scrub radius of the front-end has changed, which could affect steering
stability.  Also, has the car been in an accident?

Is the front end in alignment?  An incorrect toe setting could contribute
to some steering vagueness.  Dial in 4.0-4.5 degrees of positive caster
(the book probably says keep it close to 3.0, ignore), set the toe to
0.00 +/- 0.06 degrees, and the camber to -0.25 +/- 0.25 degrees.

Kevin Wong

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 00:24:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88

> The 307 would have 140hp. I'd imagine the top speed is in the 105-115mph
> range. Driven for maximum economy, you can probably expect to get 14-18mpg
> city/22-28mpg highway.

I think the '80-'84 code Y 307's with 5A heads (all?) were rated at 150hp.
The later 7A versions could only muster 140hp.  Your top speed estimate
agrees with the observed 111mph top speed (in 3rd gear) of my '88 Brougham.

Kevin Wong

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:19:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Re-chroming prices and locations?

Not sure where your located  - but our south of the border (Mexico) friend
has really competitive/good pricing.  He's on the list - and his e-mail is
at:
maldana@quix.net - Mike Maldana

I'm going to go look at a close relative of your car tomorrow - a '52.

Good luck -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:08:08 -0300
Subject: Re 71 Olds spotted

Greg:

You mean you didn't camp out till she appeared?  Good heavens - track that
owner down (and she'll be one of those "I bought it new and don't want to
replace it but whoever inherits it will junk it in 6 seconds flat" people).

That'd be a great driver for you



Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:21:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

Jim - Sign me up for the new wood grain kit around the radio off the '72
(you wouldn't happen to have 2 would you?)

I'll forward $ as soon as you reply.

Thanks -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:27:47 -0300
Subject: Re:Another Delta Owner

Curtis - I have a '67 and my rear deck lid is perfect - however, I want to
keep it that way!  I buy the thin carpet type material from Chief or Kragen
or Pep Boys or one of those big cheapy parts houses - they normally carry
it near the fake paste on trim and other gaudy items, but its great - comes
in a 10' roll and its roughly the width of my car (near to yours).  I cut
it to fit the back and just loosened the bottom molding screws and tucked
it underneath (the molding that runs along the back sloping area).  Cost me
$2.50 last time I bought a roll cause it was on sale.  I also make my own
dash covers - easily removed at car shows but good adequate covering the
rest of the time.  Comes in an assortment of neutral colors.

Good luck & welcome!

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:13:15 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: '62 buick invicta



On Fri, 11 Apr 1997, Clayton Pierce wrote:

> Isn't that "It _IS_ a 445 Wildcat" not "has"?

not familiar with this vintage at all    name on the car is Invicta
aircleaner says 445 wildcat   didnt spend much time looking at it

Dustin

> Anon III

     Actually, Dustin is correct.  The car is an Invicta, but the engine is
     a Wildcat.  Just like the Olds "Turbo Rocket V8" (aka the turbocharged
     Jetfire 215) or the Ch*vy Turbo Jet 396 (or whatever - I don't pretend
     to be a BowTie expert).  Note that the Buick 445 refers to foot-pounds
     of torque, not cubic inches or horsepower.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:05:49 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 70 olds 's

> Does the '69/'70 Grad Prix and the '70 Monte Carlo have any relation
> to the Cutlass Supreme notchback style?

Duh!  Yes, both the Grand Prix and the Monte Carlo are 57 notchback
styles.  Two of my favorites and I forgot all about them.  I believe I
read somewhere where the Monte is considered an A body, but the Grand Prix
is not?

     Actually, it is the 69-72 Grand Prix and 70-72 Monte.  I seem to
     recall that both the GP and the Monte used the 4-door frame (116"
     wheelbase), with all the extra length between the front wheel opening
     and the door (check out this dimension on a GP verses a "normal"
     A-body).  The Cutlass Supreme is unique in that it is the only one of
     the three notchback cars with the same 112" wheelbase as the other
     2-door A-body cars, using the same front sheetmetal as every other
     Cutlass.  I've also seen references to the notchback body style as the
     "A-special".  A 1970 vintage Motor Trend article on the Supreme SX
     even refered to it as a "G-body" car!! :o

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:34:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Decals

Mark - do you have a repro of the valve cover decal for the '67 4-4-2?
Mine has been half ripped and the rest is toasted - I'd love to replace
this when I put the motor back together.

Let me know - and or send me the info for a catalog, etc.

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:40:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Handling Problem

Try raising tire pressure.  Too low a pressure = too big a foot print
and too much side wall flex.

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From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 02:38:46 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: rearend ratio

anyway to tell without removing the cover?

[Aaron R. Weimer] =20

 Yep.. Jack the back up. Put a chalk mark on the drive shaft and a chalk =
mark on the tire.  Count the rotations of the drive shaft to make the =
tire move once. this will give you a close guess.. best way is to count =
teeth.  But I got it really close.. 3.5 for my 3.73 rear in the W30

Aaron

     A more accurate method is to count the number of turns of the
     driveshaft it takes to turn the tire _ten_ times, then divide by ten.
     The reason for this is that differentiating 37 turns from 35 is a lot
     easier than differentiating 3.7 turns from 3.5.

     Also keep in mind that if you have a non-posi rear end, you will need
     to multiply the result by two (if you have both rear wheels off the
     ground), as the counterrotation of the two wheels will halve the
     apparent ratio.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 01:51:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 1990 Vintage

I couldn't tell you much about the V6 engine that's in your car, but I'll
tell you what I know.  Maybe it'll help.

That 3.4 liter V6 is based on the old 2.8 and 3.1 liter Chevy 60-degree
V6.  I assume, because the engine in your car is distributorless, that it
is has a crank-triggered ignition system.  That sort of system
uses an electromagnetic sensor situated near the vibration damper on the
crankshaft that signals the ignition coils to fire whenever the sensor is
triggered.  I couldn't tell you how the system in your car works, but it
eliminates the need for a spark distributor.  That crank-triggered spark
system was adapted to the old Chevy V6's, which used to use a distributor
system.  The engine blocks, I believe, are essentially the same and so GM
just blocked off the old distributor hole.

The reason the dealer said that they need to pull the engine out, or pull
the rear head off, is because of the way these newer cars are setup.
With your transverse mounted engine, the old distributor hole is prob'ly
impossible to reach, and the only way to reach it is to remove the head.
I wouldn't be surprised if they had to take the whole engine out to fix
the leak!

This type of nuisance is very common in newer cars.  Repairs and
maintenance that would be relatively simple and do-it-yourself on the
older rear-drive cars are often a complicated, dealer-involved process on
the newer cars.  One often needs special tools, and there's just NO room
to work under the hood of these new cars.

When the water pump was going bad on my transverse-mounted Quad4, I had to
take it to the dealer to get fixed.  They had to pull the engine out and
remove the timing chain cover to reach the water pump.
On my old '72 Monte Carlo, I just had to open the hood, yank off the bad
water pump, and bolt on the new one.  That simple.

My motto for technology is this:
"Modern technology's great!...when it works."

My point is, don't stress because they have to pull the head off or the
engine out.  They are prob'ly doing that only so they can reach the leak.

I hope it all works out well for you!!  :)

   Jim Townsend

   '90 Calais W40

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:01:20 -0300
Subject: RE: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

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The '66 i'm looking at has a bench seat in the front. Was that an option also?

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From:Lloyd Culp [SMTP:bculp@hiwaay.net]
Sent:Sunday, April 13, 1997 11:41 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

Greg Yonge wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if Driver's side power seats were an option on '66
Dynamic 88's? > > Also, does anybody have any production ª's for 1966
Convertible Dynamic 88's?

I believe that driver's side bucket seats were an option on all 2-door
Oldsmobiles by 1966.  These probably can be taken from a Grand Prix of
that ere as the floor is the same.  They were most common in the Grand
Prix rather than Olds or Buick.

Bill Culp
Dectur, Alabama

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:08:07 -0300
Subject: Recall: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:08:17 -0300
Subject: RE: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

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The '66 i'm looking at has a power bench seat in the front. Was that an option
also?

- -----Original Message-----
From:Lloyd Culp [SMTP:bculp@hiwaay.net]
Sent:Sunday, April 13, 1997 11:41 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

Greg Yonge wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if Driver's side power seats were an option on '66
Dynamic 88's? > > Also, does anybody have any production ª's for 1966
Convertible Dynamic 88's?

I believe that driver's side bucket seats were an option on all 2-door
Oldsmobiles by 1966.  These probably can be taken from a Grand Prix of
that ere as the floor is the same.  They were most common in the Grand
Prix rather than Olds or Buick.

Bill Culp
Dectur, Alabama
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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:19:06 -0300
Subject: Re: e mail list

At 06:46 PM 4/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Greg
>
>Bob here I got this address from Doug Kitchener He called a E mail list Is
>that a list of all Oldsmobilers with E Mail if it is let me know I'm
>interested If not let me know what he's talking about
>


Well, not ~all~ of them, just the computer literate ones!  :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
(very)odd-fireV6
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:19:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Project Cars and private responses

At 11:27 PM 4/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>You certainly havent violated any rules in my book !
>I would like the ªª for the 67 Cutlass Conv please.\
>If you could forward it to me I would surely appreciate
>it !  Thanks .  (mwalker@hadco.com)
>


I think the "rules" in question are not being voilated at all here.  The
problem has been (from what I've gatherred) that people carry personal sales
too far on the list.  If you have something for sale, that ~any~ of us might
be interested in (or find something that someone might have a use for
knowing, etc.) by all means, post it.  Phone numbers, prices, addresses,
whatever.  The post above is perfectly reasonable, too, I'd say.  Two more
postings of it, however, when it comes to the words "I'll take it, when can
I pick it up, I'll meet you at the 7-11 at 4:15 PM..." becomes a bit more
personal than everyone needs to know ('cuz we might really want it too, and
we'll be waiting at the 7-11 at 4:10 ready to intercept the good deal...:)

Anyway, I'd say personal adds are great, but the responses to them should,
at least in part, be mailed private mail.  The more descriptive the original
post is, the less of us will need to reply to it, asking "is it a two door?
what color is it..." You get the point, I'm sure.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
(very)odd-fireV6
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:35:25 -0300
Subject: 78-88 rally pac conversion

Could whoever had the ~detailed~ instructions on this switch possibly
foreword them to Dan, his address is:

          mailto:Oldswagen@aol.com

He emailed me privately for assistance, and I don't have the wiring
information around anymore.

Thanks  (I'm not sure if Dan's on the list or not, yet...)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 318 BigBlock
(very)odd-fireV6
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

------------------------------

From: mwalker@hadco.com (Mike Walker)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 04:39:48 -0300
Subject: [none]

Is there anyone out there that can tell me what the performance
characteristics would be by installing a 350R cam in a 330 ?
Considering the 45deg lifter angle of the 330 compared to 39deg
lifter angle of 350, how much would this affect lift, duration
timing, etc.  I installed one (some years ago) before knowing
about the different cam bank angle.  The engine runs strong but
seems sluggish, is the anyway to compensate through timing, etc
to get proper performance. Or should I just "bite the bullet"
pull the cam and put in a new Mondello special ?!?!?! HELP
Mike Walker

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 06:58:36 -0300
Subject: Re: rearend ratio

At 11:29 PM 4/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>anyway to tell without removing the cover?
>
>
There is a letter code stamped into the axle tube, that can be translated
here.

Anon. I

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:01:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Tranny Went Kablooie!

At 11:45 PM 4/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>Also, there are two different atachment clips at the carb.,
>>make
>>sure you have the one that matches
>
>FWIW, the kickdown cable on the TH350 in my '69 Cutlass goes through the
>firewall and attaches to the accelerator pedal, not the carburetor.
>
>
>Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@juno.com
>
>
Dave,

On my '84 Delta 88 it scoots up between the firewall, and the bellhousing.
It attaches on the drivers side of the carb. in exactly the same place the
throttle cable attaches.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:03:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Specifications for a 1981 Delta 88

At 11:59 PM 4/14/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:08 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>After doing some work on my car and noticing major improvments, I find
>>myself in the dark about its stock specifications.  This might sound
>>stupid, but I have no idea about how much HPs it has or torqe, what its top
>>speed is (pins at 140km/h), what the expected fuel economy is (307 4-bbl,
>>3-speed TH250/350) etc.  If anyone can shed any light on this, it would be
>>helpfull.
>
>The 307 would have 140hp. I'd imagine the top speed is in the 105-115mph
>range. Driven for maximum economy, you can probably expect to get 14-18mpg
>city/22-28mpg highway.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
Bob,

Thats interesting, when my '84 Delta 88 was a 307 & TH200 it would not go
very far past the speedometer limit of 85mpg.  But then thats indicated, not
actual.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:04:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Custon Cruiser V8 Diesel

At 12:00 AM 4/15/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 09:27 PM 4/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I have a 1982 Oldsmobile Custom Crusier with nearly 400,000 miles on it.
>>The original engine was very bad and required constant repair, but
>>Oldsmobile replaced in 1990 with a new engine and that engine has
>>performed very well with nearly 300,000 miles and running vell today.
>>
>>My question is where can I get another new Diesel V8 engine?  My local
>>dealer says that they are not available anymore.
>
>I believe that both AC-Delco and GM Goodwrench *rebuilt* 350 diesel engines
>are available. You can check their web-page to confirm this.
>
>If all else fails, have yours rebuilt by a competent diesel mechanic (they
>were used in Ch*vy trucks, so a truck place should be able to handle it).
>
>BTW, congratulations on that mileage! What kind of MPG did you get for that
>distance?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
When last I looked for diesel parts I was told that they are NOW being
handled by Detroit-Diesel-Allison, and not Oldsmobile.  I went to D-D-A and
they had everything.  I expect that they still do.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:10:30 -0300
Subject: test

is it working?

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:22:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Project Cars and private responses

Snipped:

>Anyway, I'd say personal adds are great, but the responses to them should,
>at least in part, be mailed private mail.  The more descriptive the original
>post is, the less of us will need to reply to it, asking "is it a two door?
>what color is it..." You get the point, I'm sure.
>
>             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu

And snipped again:

Chas,

I don't think that I am in total agreement with this.  I do agree that
things for sale should show up here, but that all the early replies should
be posted here.  Why? You might ask, so that we all know that it is gone.
I've bought several bits of paper here so I appreciate when it is offered.

I mean like, take for instance, the ultimate accessory of whit, charm,
persuasion and obscurity; like the tic-toc-tack, how would anyone know that
such a fine design existed if it wasn't for the fact that they occasionally
change hands here.

I agree that the address and shipping and such need not appear.

Also: To those of you with things for sale, especially automobiles.

Put the make, model, serial and color, and important accessories.  Don't
forget the price, condition and location.  Get enough information so that
would be buyers get enough information for them to know that they are would
be buyers.  It saves gigantic amounts of 'bandwidth' and you all know how
scarce that is.

Also, the man with the long list of mostly Cutlass parts does a very good
job with his price list.  He seems to post it about once a week, which is
often enough; gives him a chance to update it, and we are not bothered by it
every day, and I'm sure sells stuff quite often.

Pontification over,

The Wiz Waxes again

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 07:23:52 -0300
Subject: Re:

At 04:39 AM 4/15/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Is there anyone out there that can tell me what the performance
>characteristics would be by installing a 350R cam in a 330 ?
>Considering the 45deg lifter angle of the 330 compared to 39deg
>lifter angle of 350, how much would this affect lift, duration
>timing, etc.  I installed one (some years ago) before knowing
>about the different cam bank angle.  The engine runs strong but
>seems sluggish, is the anyway to compensate through timing, etc
>to get proper performance. Or should I just "bite the bullet"
>pull the cam and put in a new Mondello special ?!?!?! HELP
>Mike Walker
>

Brand new camshafts are just about the least expensive of all the precision
parts that go into an engine.  Buy a new one, and buy one that exactly fits
your requirements, not some used oddity because it is available.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:38:34 -0300
Subject: 1950 Fisher Body Service News For Sale (4/15)

I have the three following Oldsmobile related items which I would like
to sell as a package:

Three issues of the "Body by Fisher Service News" from 1950.  Each has
minor damage on an edge which looks to be where a little critter has
been chewing on them, but on two of the three, the damage does not
affect an area longer than about an inch long by about an eighth of an
inch in from the edge.  The third is damaged in two areas, each about an
inch and a half long and in from the edge an average of about a quarter
inch.  Details as follows:

Volume 9 - Issue 4.  Dated 3-22-50.  Thirty-two 8-1/2 x 11 pages.
Details removal and installation of doors, door adjustments, door parts
removal, sealing of doors, and body wiring digrams for the 1950
Oldsmobile 98 series.  Many photographs and illustrations.  Damaged at
lower left corner.

Volume 9 - Issue 11.  Dated 5-12-50.  Four 8-1/2 x 11 pages.  Details
removal and Installation of windshield and moldings, windshield sealers,
and glass sealing methods for the 1950 Oldsmobile 98 series.  Nine
photographs and three drawings.  Damaged at both the lower right and
left corners.

Volume 9 - Issue 14.  Dated 7-12-50.  Sixteen 8-1/2 x 11 pages.  Details
removal and installation of rear compartment lid, sealing operations,
rear quarter construction, hardware removal, and rear quarter
ventilation for the 1950 Oldsmobile 98 series.  21 photographs and 16
drawings.  Damaged at lower left corner.

These must be rare, because they're as old as I am.  ;-)  $15.00,
including shipping within North America.  (4/15/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
these items, or if you would like additional information about them.
Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

------------------------------

From: michael leiter <leiter@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:29:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Re-chroming prices and locations?

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> Not sure where your located  - but our south of the border (Mexico) friend
> has really competitive/good pricing.  He's on the list - and his e-mail is
> at:
> maldana@quix.net - Mike Maldana
>
> I'm going to go look at a close relative of your car tomorrow - a '52.
>
> Good luck -
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
> Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
> project
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
are you in texas? I am located in Dallas. What do you know about taking
your car to mexico to get the interior do. I have a 72 cutlass series 57
2 door coupe. PLease reply. Is it safe or do you have to sit on your
car...

------------------------------

From: michael leiter <leiter@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:32:25 -0300
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> Jim - Sign me up for the new wood grain kit around the radio off the '72
> (you wouldn't happen to have 2 would you?)
>
> I'll forward $ as soon as you reply.
>
> Thanks -
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
> Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
> project
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
Do you still have the bumper guards off of that 72 cutlass? I need both
front and rear but I need the front worse.

------------------------------

From: michael leiter <leiter@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 09:34:50 -0300
Subject: Re: test

Mark Cornea (R) wrote:
>
>         is it working?
YES

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:30:57 -0300
Subject: Re: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's

Greg Yonge wrote:
>
> The '66 i'm looking at has a bench seat in the front. Was that an option
also?

Greg,

When you said "driver's side power seats", I thought you were saying
bucket seats.  Of course, the bench seat was usually a part of the
Dynamic 88.  This was available as a power type too.  Any of these
bodies had them available.  The 4-door tracks may be just the same as
the 2-door ones.

5540 1966 Dynamic 88 convertibles were built.  The base price was $3381.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:   Lloyd Culp [SMTP:bculp@hiwaay.net]
> Sent:   Sunday, April 13, 1997 11:41 PM
> To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:        Re: '66 Dynamic 88 Power Seats & Production ª's
>
> Greg Yonge wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone tell me if Driver's side power seats were an option on '66
Dynamic 88's? > > > > Also, does anybody have any production ª's for 1966
Convertible Dynamic 88's? >

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