
oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 28 1997        Volume 01 : Number 772



Stainless Steel Cutlass
Oldsmobile Models
Re: Intro and part needed
Re: 68-72 car parts
Re: Screwed ?
Sunvisors 1970 442 conv
Re: Hallmark Hurst Olds
Re: Oldsmobile Models
Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass
Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv
Introduction and question - Long
Re: Intro and part needed
Re: AC compressors
Re: Screwed ?
Distributor #'s and Olds ads 
70 O-axle
66 window crank handles
hot tank
Axles
Re:  Introduction and question - Long (longer)
brown armrest for Fernando
Unique VC f/sale
Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv
Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass - Hey Culligan Man!
Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv
Needed - Shifter "T" handle for '65  Cutlass
Re: Distributor #'s and Olds ads 
'78 Full-sizer Dash Lights
Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass - Hey Culligan Man!
W-31 option
Re: Rust
Re: W-31 option
Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass
Re: Distributor #'s and Olds ads
Re: W-31 option
Re: Intro and part needed
Road Assistance
Re: Screwed ?
Re: 68-72 car parts
E-mail me info if you have a W-31
Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv
85cutlassproblems
Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
Re: W-31 option
Re: Rust
Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
W-31 mistake, now corrected
79 & 80 (was "Edge" & - Hey Culligan Man!)
pix of silver olds wanted
Carlisle
FW: Charleston Junk Yards
Re: Carlisle
1970 W-31 Value
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Re: 1970 W-31 Value
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Rhode Island Olds Show

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:10:05 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Stainless Steel Cutlass

Well, we've talked here before about these Cutlasses with the stainless
steel roof bands, reportedly called "Edge" models.

I had the opportunity to drive behind a rather well worn specimen last
night on my way home from work.  The nose told me it was an '80, but the
taillights told me it was a '78/9.  Anyway, it had one of those
stainless steel targa bands kind of flapping in the breeze as it was
going along.  When we got into town, he got in the turning lane and I
pulled up along side him at the light and saw there was an emblem in the
corner of the band.  All it said was Cutlass.  There were no other
markings of the car.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 23:16:02 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile Models

Those of you who are OCA or NAOC members have seen the ad in the club
magazines for Oldsmobile models.

They offer a pair of '55 Starfire convertibles for $24.89 plus $3.50 for
shipping and handling (and 6% tax if you like in MI).  I bought the pair
at ToysRUs on Thursday.  They were $7.99 each.  That's a savings of
almost $10 before shipping, so I suggest you check out your local store
before you purchase these by mail.

I was also lucky enough to stumble across 3 more Ertl Hursts and a pair
of W30s at the price of $19.99 a piece.  It was a good day!

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:36:00 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Intro and part needed

The Sugarmans wrote:
> 
	<snip>
> 
> Does anyone know whether the old axle can be repaird by turning true and
> pressing on a sleeve?  I've heard of this being done of other (non auto)
> applications, so I'm wondering if this is an reasonable alternative to a
> new (i.e., expensive) shaft or used shaft.
> 
> TIA for any help.
> 
> Don Sugarman


Don,

Welcome.  I have a 1968 442 convertible & have had to repair a bad
bearing on it.  If you mean that you have a bearing problem & the
mechanics wish to repair it by using a sleeve, I have heard of that
being successful.  This may be a good idea as the axles are difficult ot
find.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68-72 car parts

don: my location is okla.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:34:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Screwed ?

check your connection to dash harness, also you might try a circuit tester to
check for     breaks in line. connecters sometimes corrode up.    steven.

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:48:32 -0700
From: "Gary S. Rae" <gsrae@flash.net>
Subject: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv

Should a 1970 442 convertable with white interior and top, have black
sunvisors?

Thanks in advance

Gary Rae
1970 442 Conv.

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 05:11:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: DavidB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hallmark Hurst Olds

well I got mine too......

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:44:31 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Models

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

<snip>
 
> I was also lucky enough to stumble across 3 more Ertl Hursts and a pair
> of W30s at the price of $19.99 a piece.  It was a good day!
> 

Paul,
I can't hekp but find these in every Toy R Us I go into.  They were hard
to find in the fall, but they're plentiful now.


- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:46:49 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> Well, we've talked here before about these Cutlasses with the stainless
> steel roof bands, reportedly called "Edge" models.

I thought we decided that the "Oldsmobile Edge" was the assistance
program.  You know, the cars have that little sticker on the sidfe
window that says something like:
	Oldsmobile EDGE
	Roadside Assistance
	800-442-olds

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv

my 71-w30 conv. does, red with pearl white interior, black carpet, dash, sun
visors,            steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 00:20:37 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: Introduction and question - Long

I have been on the list for a couple of months now, but never introduced 
myself. And thank you to all that have replied to some of my questions 
already.
I work in Toront, and I live in Cambridge,  Ontario; a city about 50 miles 
west of Toronto.
For the last 7 or 8 years, every time I have seen  a 68-72 Cutlass/442 
convertible, I have said to myself and anyone else in hearing distance "When 
I grow up, I'm going to get one of those" Considering that I started saying 
this when I was about 30, you can ball park my age from there. Last summer I 
purchased a 17' ski boat, trailer, and 75 HP outboard. It looked pretty 
rough, (correction - it looked horrible, but it was real cheap) but after 
new carpet, seats, painted motor, wet sanding the deck and hull and a 
covering of clear coat on the fibreglass etc, it looked pretty good. It took 
5 weeks to get it in the water, I skiied behind it once and 1 week later I 
saw an ad in the paper for a '69 Cutlass convertible advertised as 'needing 
some TLC'.
I went to look at it and as cash was at a usual low level, ( I had just 
bought a house and fixed up a boat ), I offered to trade the boat for the 
car. It took him 3 weeks to decide not to take the boat, so I advertised the 
boat and a 16' cedar strip canoe that I had built in the 'Boat Trader'. It 
took 3 days to sell the boat, and before I took the money for the boat, I 
called the car guy again and made him promise that he wouldnt sell the car 
before I got there with the money. I REALLY wanted this car.
August 14 1996 he delivered the car, and when he was leaving, this rough, 
tough guy had tears in his eyes.
The car is a Cutlass S convertible, w/ bench seat, off white interior, and a 
455 with C heads transplanted out of a '71 442. The body is currently 
stripped of every thing except the frame, steering column and windshield. I 
have welded in new quarter skins, and am working on left and right trunk 
extensions, body braces, and trunkfloor sections. I am going to replace the 
drivers front floor pan, and make some other minor rust repairs, and next 
week on my holidays I will be putting the car on a rotisserie that I am just 
finishing to sandblast and paint the underside. With 2 weeks holidays in 
August, I am planning to have the body ready for paint by no later than the 
end of Sept. It will be painted on stands in pieces, and once the chassis 
and drive train is stripped, painted, reassembled, new lines, disc brake 
conversion, detailed etc. Then I'll drop the body back on.  Next winter will 
be reserved for re installation of every thing. And I have a deadline to 
finish the car. I am getting married next year on August 8th, and I am 
driving away from that church in my Matador Red convertible, or we're 
walking! After all, I explained to Beverley (my betrothed) that we couldn't 
get married this year because the convertible wouldn't be finished. - Oh but 
if looks could kill!
So, my race with the deadline is underway. And I'm behind schedule already!

After the car is finished I have a 425 out of '67 Toro that I traded for  a 
bottle rye that I am going to rebuild and put in a Boat. How does the name 
"Water Rocket" sound?
I work for BASF Canada Inc. and my other hobbys are fishing, bowhunting for 
whitetails, goose hunting, and competitive archery.

Thats my story.

Questions: Where in Ontario can one find the Hallmark H/O ?
Is there anyone in Ontario that would be interested in purchasing or renting 
a body rotisserie when I am finished with it some after September?
I will be in Charleston in November this year are there any good yards in 
the area to do some parts hunting?

Gotta go, I'm off to see the Toronto Blue Jays do battle with Kansas City.


Brian Kerr
'69 Cutlass Convertible
email - kerrb@basf-corp.com
1-800-565-9586

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:47:26 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Intro and part needed

At 02:49 PM 7/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, all.
>
>I live in Western Mass and have a 1969 442 converitble - white with with
>uphostery and blue carpet and dash. It's got the 400 engine and automatic
>trans with dual gate console shifter.  The car actually belongs to my son,
>but he leaves it at home, rather than risk it in Boston (no safe place to
>park
>it). 
>
>I'm looking for a left axle.  My mechanic says I need a "12 bolt system c"
>axel.  It isn't held in by a c-clip, and Year One described it as being a
>"12-bolt with a ten bolt cover."  They didn't have the part.
>
>I've got the list of Olds parts & accessories from the 442 site, but most
>of the businesses are closed for the weekend.  The few I reached didn't
>have the part.
>
>Got a couple of racing supply places to check on Monday and the mechanic
>is checking with a yard he knows of in Florida.
>
>Does anyone know whether the old axle can be repaird by turning true and
>pressing on a sleeve?  I've heard of this being done of other (non auto)
>applications, so I'm wondering if this is an reasonable alternative to a
>new (i.e., expensive) shaft or used shaft.
>
>TIA for any help.
>
>Don Sugarman
>Pittsfield, MA
>
>sugarman@berkshire.net
>
>Don,
  I wish you luck,man. My '67 442 needed an axil about 15 years ago and I liked
to have never found one! Keep calling as many salvages as you can.
Fred Kemp

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 08:47:45 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: AC compressors

At 11:14 AM 7/26/97 +0600, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I've just about got my air conditoner blown out  and ready to go back on the
>vista cruiser.  I'm wondering what I should do about the 25 year old
>compressor.  I'm not sure I like the idea of putting the air conditioner
>back together with the old compressor only to have it or blow a seal or
>otherwise break down.  I can't help but think I'm pushing my luck by
>re-installing it.  Does anyone know how long an AC compresor is good for?
>Do they generally leak freon when they go?  The last time I checked I could
>get a rebuilt compressor for <$90 but at the same time I don't like to spend
>money I don't need to.  I mean heck, if they're anything like the
>refrigerators that were built in the 50's and 60's then I probably won't
>need to replace the compressor for at least another 20 years, right? :)
>There's tons of thoes old 'friges still chugging away in garages and on back
>porches throughout the country!  And they can still freeze a beer solid!    
>
>Thanks in advance for any advice and information.  
>
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista Cruiser  (Lansing or bust!)
>`67 Cutlass Supreme
> 
>
>Hey Greg,
  One thing to remember is if the compressor burns up you will lose the refrig-
erent because it will be contaminated. Also,we now live in the high dollar 
R-12 days so it might be a good idea to consider a 134a upgrade.Personally I
would settle for a rebuilt one from my favorite parts place.
Fred Kemp

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 10:18:30 -0400
From: Jay Britt <jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Subject: Re: Screwed ?

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> 
> The 69 442 I bought A couple of months ago looks great, unfortunatly the
> previous owner took it a part and never put it back together right. How
> do I go about finding the right screw sizes for some of the interior
> parts (center console)?  I do have an assembly manuel, but it only lists

	Call Mr. G's Enterprises at (817) 831-3501 and order their catalog.
They carry almost every piece of hardware for your car. Also, Brothers
and Fusick carry "Interior Screw Kits" for most years.

Good Luck
Jay Britt
OCA# 29460
'67 Cutlass Supreme
'89 Cutlass Calais SL Quad4

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 10:42:14 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Distributor #'s and Olds ads 

I got a look-up request out there for anyone who has a LATE 1969 or
EARLY 1970 Edition of the "GREEN BOOK" part # price guide used by the GM
Parts dealers for the 69 F-85 distributors, section 2.361.   Hurst Olds
in particular.  They 'originally' were supposed to come with the
1111973, but I have two 1111989 distributors, each with red factory
overspray on them.  From a June 1973 parts book, the W-32 and Hurst used
the same distributor #1111989. (List $39.85)  The interchange section on
the FAQ also lists the 1111989  for the F85 455 (Hurst?).  Funny, the
"How to supertune Olds W-Machines" pamphlet lists the # for the W-32 as
1111973, but the "by the numbers" book lists it as a 989.  CONFUSED!!!

I have every reason to believe the 989 was used, since not one H/O
owner  I've talked to has claimed they have a 973 distributor #.  I
realize this is not a big matter of concern for MOST people, but it
definitely is for me.  What is correct, and what is not.  Even if the
989 was a REPLACEMENT distributor, why would the two I have, which I
obtained from different sources,  sport red overspray?  And both in
about the same locations?

Ok, I've cried enough.  If the answer is out there, the list should have
the resources to pull this one off.

BTW, I added a couple more old advertisements on my web page.  More will
be coming, for sure.  If you have any old Olds ads you would like to see
on the page, scan and send them to me privately of course.

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

Thanks,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 10:49:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 70 O-axle

Mick Gillespie:
I believe I have a pair of extra axles from an O-type diff. mail me for
particulars.....
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:02:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 66 window crank handles

Well, I found a set of 66 window crank handles, right in the parts car, go
figure. Sue's happy. Thanks for the Year One tip; wonder what they charge for a
set?
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:53:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: hot tank

On the hot tank idea:
I tried that, with not much success. Maybe I did something wrong. Used a metal
5g bucket, filled it partway with water, added a box of Red Devil Lye, and some
grubby parts: brackets, etc. Came back next day, examined, no difference
apparent. Tried a heater under the bucket, for a few hours one night. Still
paint & oily goo on the parts. No detectable difference. Started a whole new
batch, with 4-5 1# boxes of lye. And heat. Still no bare shiny metal. I was
pretty much done by that time, gave up on the idea- heck for $10-15, the guys
at the local shop will clean a whole 5g bucket of parts, bolts, etc. for me, so
the effort I save is well worth that. They have the true hot tank process,
chemicals, and folks who are paid to stand there & clean stuff.

If it works for you, fine, if you can detect something I did wrong, I'd like to
hear it. Just telling y'all what my experience with this method was.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:34:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Axles

[[previous text unmarked, my responses in brackets]]

I'm looking for a left axle.  My mechanic says I need a "12 bolt system c"
axel.  It isn't held in by a c-clip, and Year One described it as being a
"12-bolt with a ten bolt cover."  They didn't have the part.

[[Huh, never heard of a "system" C, maybe they mean C-type? But, C-type axles
use C-clips to retain the axles, came from Chevy, and have Crinkles in the
Cover. All the C's go together. I have heard of Olds diffs having a 12-bolt
COVER with 10 ring gear bolts, not the other way 'round. BTW, Left axle= Right
axle.]]

Does anyone know whether the old axle can be repaird by turning true and
pressing on a sleeve?  I've heard of this being done of other (non auto)
applications, so I'm wondering if this is an reasonable alternative to a
new (i.e., expensive) shaft or used shaft.
Don Sugarman

[[I know that National Automotive Lines offers a repair bearing for that lame
Chevy design wherein the axle IS the bearing surface. A good Olds diff uses a
press- on bearing retained by a press-on collar. First, you need to find out
exactly what you have there. I.e.,

1-axles retained by C-clips on the inner end, or by a retainer plate holding
the bearing at the wheel end? Where's the seal mounted?

2-# of splines and diameter of axle at inner end

3-Separate press-on bearing asm., or bearing rollers ride right on the axle
shaft ?

4-diameter of axle at bearing end

5-If separate bearing, the bearing number, or OD, ID (#4 above), and width.

6-Axle overall length, from say drum mounting surface to end of splined end.

7-Wheel bolt spacing should complete the picture.

If I had that info, I could probably grab an axle from the stash.]]

From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
I too am looking for a left axle for my 69 Cutlass S convertible. It is
white with a black interior. If you find a source of either repair or
replacement I would appreciate if you would let me know. Likewise I will
inform you if I find something.

[[Huhm, never heard of a White axle, and how do you ck the axle's interior
color? ;-)
     Seriously, given the most critical of the above info, I can probably get
one to you. I bought a 2.56 open 12-bolt once, just to have the axles on
hand.]]
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:38:31 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re:  Introduction and question - Long (longer)

 Brian.
Glad to meet you. I live in Columbus, IN (45 minutes from INDY), but
Cambridge, ON is my home town. There are still a lot of relatives in that
area and I visit often. In fact I will be there the end of next week on the
way to a family reunion north of Trenton.
I wish you luck on your Cutlass, Maybe I'll can see it on one of my visits,
once you are finished. If I can help you with any small parts, let me know.
there are a few kicking around the basement.
My wife seems to remember that there are Hallmark stores in ON, but she's
not sure.  There definitely used to be a shop in John Galt Mall that sold
Hallmark stuff, but I don't think it was a Hallmark store. Things have
changed a lot in 10 years that we have been in the US, so I'm sure it's gone
by now. If you get really desparate let me know and I'll bring you one.
By the way we used to have a Mayor in Cambridge with the name "Kerr", He was
part of the original development of IMAX film, if I remember correctly. Any
relation?
By the way, I'm planning on putting up some pictures of my Cutlass on the
WEB page listed below. Don't check for a few days, since I don't have the
pictures I want yet.
I did the page for the Newcomers Club in Columbus, so I'll probably sneak in
a link to the Olds pictures by clicking on the "page designed by...." text.
There is a poor picture posted at this URL now:
http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~c-scalf/viewers.htm

Enough for now.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/newcomer.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerr, Brian (R) <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
To: 'Olds List' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 8:24 AM
Subject: Introduction and question - Long



>
>I have been on the list for a couple of months now, but never introduced
>myself. And thank you to all that have replied to some of my questions
>already.
>I work in Toront, and I live in Cambridge,  Ontario; a city about 50 miles
>west of Toronto.
<snip>
>
>
>Brian Kerr
>'69 Cutlass Convertible
>email - kerrb@basf-corp.com
>1-800-565-9586
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:44:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: brown armrest for Fernando

Fernando P. was a-looking for a brown armrest out of the '72, if same as his
2-door.

The front units are indeed same, according to my inspection at the farm
yesterday. So, F.P., give me a holler, let me know what you need exactly: L or
R, F or R, just the pad part, just the base part, or the whole thing?
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:50:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Unique VC f/sale

Found this on AOL... I know nothing about it, will not vouch for anything. You
investigate if you need to. Sounds like a real oddball pc o' history, surely
someone could give her a home!

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Subj:  OLD OLDS SALE
Date:  97-03-14 23:06:54 EDT
From:  MERRAY@aol.com

1964 VISTA CRUISER AMBULANCE , 25,000 MILES, CONDTION # 3,  GREAT RUNNER,
GOOD BODY, GUMBALL ON TOP, SIREN, BELIEVED TO BE FROM 1964 NYC WORLDS FAIR,
NEEDS NEW HOME , $3,800
- --------------------------
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:28:57 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv

At 12:48 AM 7/27/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Should a 1970 442 convertable with white interior and top, have black
>sunvisors?
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>Gary Rae
>1970 442 Conv.
>

Gary

        Yes. They shold be black.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 11:39:49 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass - Hey Culligan Man!

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> 
> Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> >
> > Well, we've talked here before about these Cutlasses with the stainless
> > steel roof bands, reportedly called "Edge" models.
> 
> I thought we decided that the "Oldsmobile Edge" was the assistance
> program.  You know, the cars have that little sticker on the sidfe
> window that says something like:
>         Oldsmobile EDGE
>         Roadside Assistance
>         800-442-olds

Nope, we decided that there are two different "Edge" designations, the
first being a trim package, and the second (much later in life) a dealer
service package.   I have here two "Edge" script emblems that were
~personally~ removed from an '80 Cutlass, right on the corner of the
brushed aluminum targa bands.  (They're that heavy pot metal stuff, as
far as I can tell.)  They're just held on with double stick tape, but
they match all of the other ones I've seen.  I've seen these emblems
stuck on the fenders, though, too.  It's my guess that they must have
been dealer installed, with little or no service instructions ;)  Kurt,
these cars ~definately~ do exist, I've seen several of 'em.  It's only a
matter of time before I bump into the ~local~ "Edge" package guru (it's
reported that one exists right here in Sidney)  {Terrance, do you know
this person????}  There's supposed to be another in Glasgow, but odds
are I won't ever bump into that one.  It's been rumoured that both of
these gurus know ~everything~ about the "Edge" package, including
production figures, etc...

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv

In a message dated 97-07-27 01:51:30 EDT, you write:

<< Should a 1970 442 convertable with white interior and top, have 
black  sunvisors?
 
 Thanks in advance
 
 Gary Rae
 1970 442 Conv.
  >>

I cant say for sure about the 70 but my 68 442 Conv has a white
 interior and white top and a black dash and black sunvisors...came
 that way ....hope it helps..TIM

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:07:06 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Needed - Shifter "T" handle for '65  Cutlass

A friend of mine needs one of these (I'm pretty sure it's a 65).  It's
the Chrome "T" handle, with two side buttons on it (one of which is
purely ornamental, apparantly).  Seems to me he needed some console
trim, as well, but I can't remember for sure.  He's looking for the
"really nice quality" stuff, I guess his is just not clean enough, or
something.  I haven't seen ~too~ much of the car, so I'm just guessing. 
It's getting painted right now, I guess.  Anyway, if anyone has a handle
for him, let me know, and I'll give him your phone # to call or
something like that.

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:17:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Distributor #'s and Olds ads 

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997, Mike Rothe wrote:
> I got a look-up request out there for anyone who has a LATE 1969 or
> EARLY 1970 Edition of the "GREEN BOOK" part # price guide used by the GM
> Parts dealers for the 69 F-85 distributors, section 2.361.   Hurst Olds
> in particular.  They 'originally' were supposed to come with the
> 1111973, but I have two 1111989 distributors, each with red factory
> overspray on them.  From a June 1973 parts book, the W-32 and Hurst used
> the same distributor #1111989. (List $39.85)  The interchange section on
> the FAQ also lists the 1111989  for the F85 455 (Hurst?).  Funny, the
> "How to supertune Olds W-Machines" pamphlet lists the # for the W-32 as
> 1111973, but the "by the numbers" book lists it as a 989.  CONFUSED!!!

Mike, you're obviously way ahead of me on this one, but here's what my 
Dec./71 catalog says. They don't mention either of those. For the '69 455 
"performance" engine, they list 1111936. The master chart lists neither a 
973 or 989, so if they were special H/O units maybe they didn't bother to 
list them in the catalog. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:31:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '78 Full-sizer Dash Lights

Well, I decided to take a few hours today and give the ol' '78 Delta a 
once-over and start cleaning it up. It sure needed it. I guess the best 
you can say for it is that is shows character, but it works good for a 
driver. Getting rid of the old filthy floor mats did a lot for the look 
of it, and I fixed a few little things that were wrong. Discovered it has 
footwell lights -- need to get bulbs for them -- and I did get a bulb for 
the trunk light, it still doesn't work, so I'll do more investigation 
there. 

A few of you gave me advice re. changing the speedometer lights. I began 
the process as described: remove headlight knob, remove screws holding 
the plastic surround and pop it out, remove the speedo lens, remove the 
metal speedo cover. At that point I had a front floor filled with dash parts 
and screws, and still no sign of a bulb. Got to thinking that this sure 
seemed a lot harder than doing the same job on my '68 where you just 
reach up behind and twist out the socket. 

Found the offending socket finally and could see that the bulb was 
definitely history. But getting it out from the front would require 
removing the entire speedo which wasn't something I could see doing 
easily. I decided to see if I could reach up from behind like in the '68, 
despite dire warnings to the contrary, and... no problem. Same deal as 
before, you just twist them out and in.  Bulb was swapped in something 
like 30 seconds. Guess not having a/c has advantages, figure that must be 
the difference.

The upside is that I was able to remove 19 years worth of dirt and grime 
from the lens, so now I have a nice clean bright speedo!  

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 13:04:57 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass - Hey Culligan Man!

Charley Buehner wrote:
> 
> Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> >
> > Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, we've talked here before about these Cutlasses with the stainless
> > > steel roof bands, reportedly called "Edge" models.
> >
> > I thought we decided that the "Oldsmobile Edge" was the assistance
> > program.  You know, the cars have that little sticker on the sidfe
> > window that says something like:
> >         Oldsmobile EDGE
> >         Roadside Assistance
> >         800-442-olds
> 
> Nope, we decided that there are two different "Edge" designations, the
> first being a trim package, and the second (much later in life) a dealer
> service package.   I have here two "Edge" script emblems that were
> ~personally~ removed from an '80 Cutlass, right on the corner of the
> brushed aluminum targa bands.  (They're that heavy pot metal stuff, as
> far as I can tell.)  They're just held on with double stick tape, but
> they match all of the other ones I've seen.  I've seen these emblems
> stuck on the fenders, though, too.  It's my guess that they must have
> been dealer installed, with little or no service instructions ;)  Kurt,
> these cars ~definately~ do exist, I've seen several of 'em.  It's only a
> matter of time before I bump into the ~local~ "Edge" package guru (it's
> reported that one exists right here in Sidney)  {Terrance, do you know
> this person????}  There's supposed to be another in Glasgow, but odds
> are I won't ever bump into that one.  It's been rumoured that both of
> these gurus know ~everything~ about the "Edge" package, including
> production figures, etc...
> 
> Charley Buehner
> buehner@lyrea.com
Nope,
      don't know the guy. was the 80' the same as the 79' style body? I
don't really care for the 79'.sorry,
                                Terrance

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:42:52 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: W-31 option

I know it is a dumb question.  But, what differences are there between
my 69 S 350 4-bbl 4-spd posi conv and a W-31 equipped vehicle?  I am not
as familiar with the W-31 option as with the W-30 and was wondering as I
saw one advertised the other day and was curious.  Info would be
appreciated.

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 14:32:55 -0700
From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Subject: Re: Rust

I was looking at my rear bumper again-100th time-where will I get one?
And I had just read this in a local newspaper.

"The marvels of modern technology include a beer can that, designed to
be used once, will last forever when thrown away, and a car that, when
properly cared for, will rust out in six years".

Kevin O'Brien
78-98

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:44:02 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 option

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> I know it is a dumb question.  But, what differences are there between
> my 69 S 350 4-bbl 4-spd posi conv and a W-31 equipped vehicle?  

A dumb thing to do would to assume your question was dumb.  Actually,
you can ask 5 different people and probably get 5 different answers. 
The W-31 had a lumpy 308 duration cam with heavy duty springs, and 2"
intake valves.  The distributor # was 1111930, (yours is probably
111975) and the carb was 702955.  It had 397742 heads (cast #) and of
course the Dual snorkel air breather with hoses and scoops, fat hood
stripes, and red fenderwells.  There was no rubber in the lower front
fender brace to clear the hoses/scoops.  The drive trains are pretty
much identical from the flywheel on back.  The W-31's were screamers
without the "high" insurance bills compared to the W-30's.  Any W-31
owners out there to help me out.  Am I missing anything?   I've only
owned a 69 W-30 before, so I think I may just be touching the highlights
othe subject of the W-31.  All in all, I would be more than happy with a
350 convertible 4 speed with posi.  Probably scoots just as well.

Hope this helps some.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:51:32 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Cutlass

At 11:10 PM 7/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Well, we've talked here before about these Cutlasses with the stainless
>steel roof bands, reportedly called "Edge" models.

Hmmmmm......so that's what those things are called. I'm not sure that what i
have is the same but on my 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme i have a 3"-4" wide
stainless steel molding that starts at the top edge of the quarter panel and
runs across roof and meets the other quarter panel. this molding seperates
my hardtop roof from the vinyl. Is there anything special about this
feature?? I'd love to know!! Will post a picture sooon!

TIA

AAron

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:51:05 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Distributor #'s and Olds ads

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
 
> Mike, you're obviously way ahead of me on this one, but here's what my
> Dec./71 catalog says. They don't mention either of those. For the '69 455
> "performance" engine, they list 1111936. The master chart lists neither a
> 973 or 989, so if they were special H/O units maybe they didn't bother to
> list them in the catalog.

Greg, the 6/73 book page I have says 1111936 shows up as "perf. 455
EXCEPT F85 Hurst"  The 989 is listed for "69- 4400 400 Perf. Eng. O.A.I.
(W-32)" and a separate listing for "69- F85 Hurst".  It could be that no
one at the factory cared which dist. they took from the bin, as long as
it fit the engine.  Maybe they didn't even know themselves. 

Thanks for looking.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 15:54:14 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 option

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the W-cars had boxed lower control arms with
a sway bar and the little W-designator decals above the front side
marker light.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:23:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Intro and part needed

On Sat, 26 Jul 1997, Lloyd W. Culp wrote:

<snip>
> 
> Welcome.  I have a 1968 442 convertible & have had to repair a bad
> bearing on it.  If you mean that you have a bearing problem & the
> mechanics wish to repair it by using a sleeve, I have heard of that
> being successful.  This may be a good idea as the axles are difficult ot
> find.
> 

The bearing was really bad and damaged the axle.  I think I'll check the
the FLMS (friendly local machine shop) to see if they do that.

Thanks for the feedback.

Don

sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:39:08 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Road Assistance

Toroids, Oldsmoids-

As many of you know, the Oldsmobile Club of America has established a list of 
contacts that club members can call on for help, should they be travelling and 
have a breakdown.  If anyone going to Lansing (or planning any other trip, for 
that matter!) would like a current copy of the list, let me know privately by 
email and I can email a copy back.  Alternatively, if you'd like a printed copy, 
email me and I'll shoot back my address; then you can mail me a SASE which I'll 
use to mail you a copy.

(Was gonna just post it to both the Toronado and Olds email lists, but it's 
rather lengthy, and knew that not everyone would be interested.)

Note to OCA members, this list will appear in the August issue of Journey With 
Olds, but there have been a few corrections and additions since it was submitted 
for publication.

Lansing or Bust!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 16:25:59 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Screwed ?

I have a part description text file I typed-in from the 1965 assembly
manual.  The parts are sorted by part number.  While all the parts
won't transfer, I suspect that most will-- especially the fasteners.

It's in MS-Works Database format, but should be able to be imported
into just about DB program you have.

Let me know if you want the file...

Later!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------


At 08:36 PM 7/26/97 -0700, you wrote:
>The 69 442 I bought A couple of months ago looks great, unfortunatly the 
>previous owner took it a part and never put it back together right. How 
>do I go about finding the right screw sizes for some of the interior 
>parts (center console)?  I do have an assembly manuel, but it only lists 
>part #'s.  Do these #'s relate to a screw size?  Also, the lights in the 
>console don't seem to work.  I'm only getting power to 1 out of 4 lights. 
>  Any ideas?  I did try new bulbs.
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:53:44 -0400
From: Doug and Carolyn <cale@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 68-72 car parts

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> i deal in 68-72 cutlass,442,f-85,vista cruzer, car parts,buy,sell,trade,  if
> interested drop me a line. thanks steven.    i have been into olds since
> 1981.  my cars include:  70 rallye- 350,70 w-31 4spd.,71w-30 conv.,71 442
> h-coupe,  lets talk .
Do you have any 68-70 olds 350 heads stock or w31 ? How about 70 duel
gate with or with out console complete ?

Doug Bennitt Sterling VA 703-406-2426

70 Cutlass Supreme
350/350 3200 stall 391 posi

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

Hello, Iwas just wondering if you could e-mail me if you have a W-31. Tell me
a liitle something about it! I'm wondering if I should maybe start a W-31
registry thing. Give me your feedback! Bye!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:09:55 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Sunvisors 1970 442 conv

Gary S. Rae wrote:
> 
> Should a 1970 442 convertable with white interior and top, have black
> sunvisors?
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Gary Rae
> 1970 442 Conv.

Gary,

I believe so.  The windshield posts should be black also as should be
the kick panels under the dash, the dash, & the carpet.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 17:26:35 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: 85cutlassproblems

I just bought a used 1985 Cutlass Supreme Brogham 2 weeks ago...  I've
replaced the O2 sensor, changed the oil and filter and the air filter.
Since then I have had problems, such as the car barley goes backwards...
I have to rev it to move a little, like it wont engage, and I have at 3
speed stock trans, it wont shift into third gear, The Trans shop said
replace the trans oil and check the pan and oil pickup, it all looked
good except there were tiny little metal shavings in the bottom of the
oil pan.  Also Today I was driving and and sitting at a red light i saw
a little bit of smoke come up araound the hood, i thought it might have
been a leak from the pre-heater hose and thought nothing of it, then
when I accelerated it ran ROUGH!!!  It didnt idle smooth either... It
used to Purr I suspect a fowled spark plug or my timing chain
slipped.... Please help me... the engine is a 307 engine code Y... I am
going to replace the plugs/wires/rotor tomorrow... please reply about if
it is the timing or if you know anything about the trans... any help
will be greatfully appreciated!
Thanks,
Adam Andersen

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:41:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

sounds great!, after all they are w-machines, and production was no where
near w30         numbers. mine is a 70 ,has 4 spd.,390 posi, red with pearl
white interior,i got it from a     man who parked it in a field in 83 with a
blown motor, i rebuilt the motor in feb. car has    virtually no rust and is
complete. 70 modles and i believe some 71 cars had alluminum    intakes.
    w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:57:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-31 option

i believe mike made a slight error,w-31 dont have red fender wells, mine is a
70 modle.      steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:59:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rust

kevin,what bumper are you looking for?  steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 19:20:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

sorry, my computer just locked up on me,  steven. w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 19:43:59 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: W-31 mistake, now corrected

Steve is correct, I was wrong. I was just remembering my old W-30.  In
69 the only cars that got the red fenders were the W-30 cars. W-31's had
black "filler plates" as they are called. My mistake.  I told the W-31
guys to come to my rescue, and they did.  Thanks!

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 18:10:49 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 79 & 80 (was "Edge" & - Hey Culligan Man!)

> Nope,
>       don't know the guy. was the 80' the same as the 79' style body? I
> don't really care for the 79'.sorry,
>                                 Terrance

Basically, yes.  They added two headlights in 1980 (which added a lot,
IMHO) then in '81, they smoothed out that great big wall of a front end,
and made an aerodynamic looking machine out of it :)

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 20:43:41 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: pix of silver olds wanted

When I get my raggedy rag-top ('71 cutlass supreme with W-30 hood) 
painted, I'm considering switching the blue with white interior/top to a 
metallic silver with black hood patches (stripes), black top (stays 
cleaner), and black interior (to better hide roll bar and recaro seats.

Anyone have a sight on the web with a picture of a silver olds with 
black stripes?

thanks,
greg

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 20:58:03 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Carlisle

Just got back from Carlisle.  Yeah , I went on Sunday (I knew there
wouldn't be much there) but wanted my chance to win the giveaway car. 
Went through the barn of Oldsmobiles, they're tribute to the 100th
anniversary.  Most were 442s from '66 to '75?  There were a couple from
the 50s and one curved dash (1904).  But NO Toros!  Where were you
guys?!?!
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 12:08:24 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: Charleston Junk Yards

From: Kerr, Brian (R)
To: Mike Rothe
Subject: FW: Charleston Junk Yards
Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 6:56PM



From: Mike Rothe
To: Kerr, Brian; kerr
Subject: Charleston Junk Yards
Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 10:00AM

DATE: Jul 27 13:58:27 1997 GMT
IPMessageID: 33DB52A0.1404(a)prodigy.net

FROM: Mike Rothe [O=Intermail; DDA.TYPE=RFC-822; 
DDA.VALUE=MROTHE(a)prodigy.ne
      t]

TO: Kerr, Brian [S=Kerr; G=Brian; OU1=toronto]

SUBJECT: Charleston Junk Yards
REPLY TO: [O=Intermail; DDA.TYPE=RFC-822; DDA.VALUE=MROTHE(a)prodigy.net]

IMPORTANCE: normal
PRIORITY:
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 --
Brian,

I assume you are meaning Charleston, S.C.??  If so, there is/was/used to
be?? a junkyard in Goose Creek (just a couple miles north of
Charleston)that is/was called "Blue and Gold".  I used to visit quite
often when I was in the navy there.  Found a 70 W30 there, and got a
non-soundproofed trunk lid and a fiberglass hood for about $100.  Of
course that was back in 1990.  Didn't need the fenders, since they still
could be had for about $150 each new at that time. (wish that were true
again)  They had PLENTY of old cars there at the time.  I haven't been
there since 90, but they may still be around.  That was the only yard
that was worth a hoot as far as old Oldsmobiles go.

By the way, what do you do at BASF?  I am trying to decide if their auto
paint "Diamont #5090" is the right color for my 69 H/O FireFrost
stripes....

Good Luck,

Mike Rothe


Mike:
You are correct, I am going to S.C., so thankyou for the info. One of my 
co-workers is into Rustangs, so the two of us are doing some looking after 
our company's annual business meeting to be held in Charleston.
Unfortunately I am not all that familiar with our paint line as I'm a 
farmboy with an Agriculture degree, working in the Agricultural Chemicals 
division. I have however managed to secure a supply of paint for my car. I'm 
not even sure who to ask about the match, this is a very large company. I am 
assuming that our US division has in information/customer service dept 
though. I'll make some inquiries and let you know.

I tried to send this to you direct, but something didnt work, so I sent it 
to the list.

Brian Kerr
'69 Cutlass S Convertible
(under restoration deadline)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:07:06 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Carlisle

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> 
> Just got back from Carlisle.  
> But NO Toros!  Where were you guys?!?!

Tampa.  Moved from Harrisburg, PA in 92.
Was there in 91 though.   :)

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:07:06 -0500
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: 1970 W-31 Value

I am thinking of buying a 1970 W-31 which needs a complete resto( New
quarters, doors, drivers front floor pan, Interior, grilles) The car
appears to be all original with the correct w-31 parts plus ralley-pac
and sport steering wheel.  What is a fair price?  I can get the car for
~3000.  What do you guys(gender neutral) think

patrickd@wwnet.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 21:48:00 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

I've got some bad news, Adam:

That transmission is history...no fluid change will fix that.  The bands
in the transmission have been slipping severely, and the friction has
caused the bands/planetaries to wear.  Is the tranny a high-miler?  If
it's not, the previous owner must have driven thr snot out of it;  it
takes some serious abuse to F.U.B.A.R. a stock 3-speed auto.

That smoke you saw;  what color was it?  If it was black, you have a
serious carb problem (either too rich, or a cyl. not firing) and you
have an exhaust leak at the header pipe.  If the smoke was blue,
something was burning, such as rubber or oil.  This could be caused by a
blown rocker cover gasket, which spilled oil onto the exh. manifold. 
Or, in the *worst* case scenerio, you had (have) a serious valvetrain
problem--likely a few stuck valves.  Of course, if a valve sticks, it
won't create a good seal inside the combustion chamber, and that
cylinder won't fire.  Hope this helps...


P.S.--I heard a good Chev-trashing line today (in good spirits):

Can
Hear 
Every
Valve
Rattle
On
Lifter
Every
Time

And to think I drive a Chev truck, too...

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 Chev Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)


Adam wrote:
> 
> I just bought a used 1985 Cutlass Supreme Brogham 2 weeks ago...  I've
> replaced the O2 sensor, changed the oil and filter and the air filter.
> Since then I have had problems, such as the car barley goes backwards...
> I have to rev it to move a little, like it wont engage, and I have at 3
> speed stock trans, it wont shift into third gear, The Trans shop said
> replace the trans oil and check the pan and oil pickup, it all looked
> good except there were tiny little metal shavings in the bottom of the
> oil pan.  Also Today I was driving and and sitting at a red light i saw
> a little bit of smoke come up araound the hood, i thought it might have
> been a leak from the pre-heater hose and thought nothing of it, then
> when I accelerated it ran ROUGH!!!  It didnt idle smooth either... It
> used to Purr I suspect a fowled spark plug or my timing chain
> slipped.... Please help me... the engine is a 307 engine code Y... I am
> going to replace the plugs/wires/rotor tomorrow... please reply about if
> it is the timing or if you know anything about the trans... any help
> will be greatfully appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Adam Andersen

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 20:58:43 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

Dave,
	Thanks for your input.  I suspected the trans was a gonner... yes the
car has 110k miles... Is there any way I can have the trans shop 
install a "better" replacement? The smoke was either white or blue but
it was an extremely small amount... about that of a cigar puff.. I think
that might be a small leak at the header... Thanks for your help!!!!
Adam Andersen

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:12:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Value

figure what the car is worth if you stripped it for parts only,
ram-air,motor,intake,4-spd.,     rallye pack,sport wheel,rear spoiler,disc
brakes,posi-track, ect,ect,ect,  it could run into   hefty sum.  it could run
2500-3000 in parts alone.  price depends on overall cond. of car   itself,
give your self some leeway and make your best deal.  remember they only made
   a little over 1000 of them in 1970, and who knows how many are left.
  hope this helps.    steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 22:43:46 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

Hi Adam,

You want a "better" replacement?  What exactly do you mean?  What are
you looking for, like better gas mileage, harder shifts, smoother
shifts, or more durablility?  

If you're looking for more performance-oriented (harder) gear shifting,
just rebuild the tranny, and get a Stage 1 shift-kit installed;  she'll
really chirp the tires into 2nd gear...

If you want better gas mileage and/or smoother shifts, get a four-speed
tranny installed.  The overdrive will cut the revs at cruising speeds,
and saves you gas.  When a four-speed shifts gears, it's smoother than a
three-speed, because the ratios are closer, and the shift is less
sudden.  Remember this:  the harder the shift, the quicker the 1/4 mile. 

Do you want more durability?  The first one lasted 110k, and that's more
than decent.  If you plan on dropping in a full-race 455 Rocket, that's
a completely different story...

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 Chev Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)


Adam wrote:
> 
> Dave,
>         Thanks for your input.  I suspected the trans was a gonner... yes the
> car has 110k miles... Is there any way I can have the trans shop
> install a "better" replacement? The smoke was either white or blue but
> it was an extremely small amount... about that of a cigar puff.. I think
> that might be a small leak at the header... Thanks for your help!!!!
> Adam Andersen

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:15:44 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Rhode Island Olds Show

Forwarding from my mailbox to all interested
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hi brad

there is going to be a Oldsmobile Celebration at Cerrone's Oldsmobile
99 Jefferson Blvd, Warwick, Rhode Island, on Saturday August, 9th,1997.
9am to 5pm.

Indy 500 Race cars and Pace car will be on display there will also
be a Car Show with 13 Classes.  3 Trophies per class. Trophies are
beautiful 100th Anniversary trophies.  Will be a judged show with 100
point being the best.  

Could you please post this in your event listing.

Information regarding this you can E-mail at Cutlas066@aol.com
or contact Rich Rudinsky 401-334-2451.
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| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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