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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 29 1997        Volume 01 : Number 776



Re: Driving time from Athens, Ohio to Lansing
E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley park!
question on striping for 70 cutlass w-31
No. VA Cruise Night
Re[2]: tic-toc-tac
T-3 Headlamps
Re: Re[2]: tic-toc-tac
Re: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley park!
Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
Re: What a Day for a Rocket Ride
Re: T-3 Headlamps
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
Re: Part needed
Re: Axle needed - more info
help!!! dual gate parts
Fwd: conv. qtr. panels,question?
Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)
OCA National Event Listings - Long
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
Re: olds delta 88 royale 1976
Shock Interchange, 1976 -> 1970 A-body
Oldsmobile Fire Truck
UNBOUNCE: Dual Gate Parts
Re: Part needed
Re: question on striping for 70 cutlass w-31
Re: olds delta 88 royale 1976
Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
Re: '69 H/O Convertibles
Need info - axles
71 Cutlass Parts Car
Parts shipping warning
Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
cc:Mail Link to SMTP Undeliverable Message
68 442 RH Fender
Re: T-3 Headlamps
Re: LANSING LIST UPDATED!
72 Cutlass 455
F*rd, SORRY
Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car
Re: LANSING LIST UPDATED!
H/O
NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?
Cop car (Apprehender) laying rubber....
Re: olds delta 88 royale 1976
Re: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?
Where's my Olds...
Ads for Oldsmobiles and other cars

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:42:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Driving time from Athens, Ohio to Lansing

Hi Bill,
   I'm in Dayton and it's about 250 to Lansing.....about 100 to Athens.
Depends upon what you're driving and which way you steer it.
                                                      Ron Forsee
                                                       65 442-Meister

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 10:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley park!

Hi e-mail me if you will be in or be joing the caravan at tinley park! I'm in
the OCA and have a lot of good info and I don't know if I should drive my
1970 442 or my 70 w-31.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:00:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: question on striping for 70 cutlass w-31

Hello, I was wondering about the striping on a 1970 Cutlass w-31. are they
supposed to be painted on? Do they go all the way across or stop about 2
inches before the end of the car? Thank-you!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 08:53:05 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: No. VA Cruise Night

     Some of the Northern Virgina-based list members have expressed an
     interest in getting together.  I propose Chubby's Diner on Rt 234 in
     Manassas.  Chubby's hosts a really nice cruise night virtually every
     Saturday, with turnout in the 50-75 car range.  Cars start showing up
     by late afternoon, with a wide range of makes, years, and level of
     completion.

     I'm planning to be there Saturday night with my 70 W-30 (ignore the
     Supreme grilles for now :).  Perhaps we can put together a nice Olds
     contingent.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 12:42:02 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: tic-toc-tac

Chris,
68-69 are the very same instruments as 70-72, the difference is the faces.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

     The housings are different and will not physically interchange.  In
     other words, you cannot put a 68-69 unit in a 70-72 car, or
     vice-versa.  Having said that, I once bought a 70-72 style unit at a
     swap meet which had been modified to fit in a 68-69 car.  The tabs
     which screw to the dash on the 70 had been cut off and rewelded to the
     housing to allow the attachment of a 68 bezel.  I was able to use the
     guts to replace a damaged set with a good housing.  As others have
     noted, however, I am willing to bet that the internal mechanisms are
     the same.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:58:56 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: T-3 Headlamps

I need only ONE T-3 headlamp for my 70 442.  Year one sells them in sets
of 4.  Does anyone have an "extra"?
Thanks
Brad

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 11:59:09 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: tic-toc-tac

>     The housings are different and will not physically interchange.  In
>     other words, you cannot put a 68-69 unit in a 70-72 car, or
>     vice-versa.  Having said that, I once bought a 70-72 style unit at a
>     swap meet which had been modified to fit in a 68-69 car.

You might also check to see what color the backlighting lenses are,
if any, and what color the inside of the housing is painted to see
if it will match the rest of the instruments. I swapped a clock from
a '70 Grand Prix into a '69 LeMans, only to find that the otherwise
identical clock lit up green when the rest of the instruments were
blue-white.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 12:46:01 -0500 (CDT)
From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Subject: Re: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley
park!

>Hi e-mail me if you will be in or be joing the caravan at tinley park! I'm in
>the OCA and have a lot of good info and I don't know if I should drive my
>1970 442 or my 70 w-31.
>
>If only the rest of us had so many tough decisions to make each morning...

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:57:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

w30442cs@aol.com, steven here, just thought i would drop a line and let you i
have 68     pass.side fender as we discussed.  please reply.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 13:00:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: bryceman@442.com
Subject: Re: What a Day for a Rocket Ride

>After suffering through the heat and humidity last week here in Indiana,
>I woke up this morning to a very pleasant 62 degrees, sunshine and a
>expected high of 82.  My thoughts immediately turned to the 4-4-2 and
>how nice it would be to drive it to work.  I smiled all the way here!

I second that! It's a pleasant 85 degrees here in Topeka and the
Apprehender is really feeling her oats today. I just returned to the office
from a great lunch. My foot was a little heavy after eating, causing me to
leave about 75 feet of Hoosier rubber on the street in front of the
restaurant. Oops.
But really, I coddle my Oldsmobiles and don't do that sort of thing very
often, honest.  ;)

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:58:27 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlamps

i have a friend that has about 30 let me know.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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>After suffering through the heat and humidity last week here in Indiana,
>I woke up this morning to a very pleasant 62 degrees, sunshine and a
>expected high of 82.  My thoughts immediately turned to the 4-4-2 and
>how nice it would be to drive it to work.  I smiled all the way here!

I second that! It's a pleasant 85 degrees here in Topeka and the
Apprehender is really feeling her oats today. I just returned to the office
from a great lunch. My foot was a little heavy after eating, causing me to
leave about 75 feet of Hoosier rubber on the street in front of the
restaurant. Oops.
But really, I coddle my Oldsmobiles and don't do that sort of thing very
often, honest.  ;)

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com




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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:16:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

In a message dated 97-07-29 05:06:41 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
 Date:97-07-29 05:06:41 EDT
 From:chermac@exis.net (Jim & Joanne Chermack)
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 At 11:19 PM 7/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
 >
 >Don't waste bandwidth complaining about this one, gang... It's been dealt
 >with.
 >
 >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
 >
 >
 Greg

         Thanks, we don't need it. Three weeks till Lansing.

 Jim Chermack
  >>

Hey Jim Dont Need What: The Bandwidth or the Great Sex???  (lol)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:17:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Part needed

looking for your plug-66> toro.  steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:22:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Axle needed - more info

let me know if you need an axle, i have two 69 rear ends. whitch side did you
need pass,  or dr.?  steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:41:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: help!!! dual gate parts

me and a friend have some dual gates and are trying to rebuild some others.
am looking   for spare parts to build with, and also need chrome top
plates(has shifter indicator lense  in it).  any one with info. please reply
 thanks steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:50:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: conv. qtr. panels,question?

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Forwarded message:
Subj:    conv. qtr. panels,question?
Date:    97-07-28 15:53:47 EDT
From:    W30442CS
To:      oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca

i was just wondering how many of you would use a used qtr. panel off a
cutlass supreme  on to a conv., or any cutlass for that matter. i have ran
accross several cars with straight  qtrs. that had some, but small amount of
rust. you know the place, lower rear near the drain plug. i hear a lot of
people looking for qtrs.and complaining of repo. quallity. i am in the
southern mid west and cars dont seem to rust as bad as other places.i have
thought   of saveing these qtrs. but wasnt sure if there would be a market
for them,or what a fair price would be.i would like to see some good
replacements as im sure all of you do,but until then? let me know what you
think, and or your comments,past experiances,ect.         please reply
steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:56:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)

In a message dated 97-07-20 00:32:48 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)
 Date:97-07-20 00:32:48 EDT
 From:brougham@geocities.com (Kevin Wong)
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca



< A few weeks ago, I converted my '80 Fleetwood over to R-406a.  When I
< purchased this car in 1990, the A/C was inoperative.  The accumulator had
< become porous, so as a temporary fix, I cleaned then epoxied the entire
< outside surface.  Over the next 6 years, ~1.75 pounds leaked out, to the
< point where the cooling was affected; I now had an excuse to install a new
< accumulator.  Despite possessing a good supply of R-12, I decided to try
some
< R-406a.  I purchased a 25 lb (eq. to 30 lbs of R-12) container of R-406a
< for $225 Cdn, but by the time the $50 deposit for the reusable storage tank
 <and taxes were added, the total came to $300 Canadian (about $220 U.S.).

< Since R-406a weighs less than R-12, only 3 pounds (system capacity is 3.75
< lbs R-12) was needed.  R-406a must be charged as a liquid to maintain its
< composition, so the charging process goes very quickly.  I am very pleased
< with the results.  As claimed, it performs as well or better than R-12!
< On the same 90F day, it produced 41F vent discharge temperatures, about
< 3-4F colder than my freshly R-12 charged Delta 88.  R-406a is fully
< compatible with R-12 dessicants and mineral oil, which cannot be said for
< R-134a.  With R-134a, you will also see a decrease in A/C performance,
< which will be especially noticeable in Florida.  If you can, try to
< exchange that compressor for one with mineral oil, and use R-406a.

 Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario,
Canada
  >>

Hey Kevin I asked my parts store guy about the R-406a and they said
they no longer sell it because of its flamability.  They were saying that
 its dangerous.  Is this true? I would like to find out more about it so I
 guess Ill do a Net Search and find out more. If anyone is aware of the
 pro's and con's of 406a I would love to see posts because it seems the
 general concensus is that 134a is not the right  thing to do for the older
 cars.  Anybody???   TIM

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 15:50:56 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: OCA National Event Listings - Long

Oldsmobile Club of America's Calendar of Events
(Updated - July 28, 1997)

==============================================
AUGUST
==============================================
August 1-2, 1997. OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE CHAPTER MEET.
Hosted by Gem City Rockets @ Howard Johnson Motor Lodge, 1-75 & Rte 122,
Exit 32, Franklin, OH. No rain date. Pre-registration $10 until July 25th.
Day of show $15, 9am to noon. Dash plaques for the first 125 cars. T-shirts
can be purchased. Auction and door prizes. Cruise-In's Friday and Saturday
evenings. Open to all Oldsmobiles For info: Jim Hosey (513) 748-3540 days.
Mellissa McGrew (513) 743-0473 evenings.

August 2, 1997. SMOKY MOUNTAIN OLDS CLASSIC CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Smoky Mountain Olds Club. At the Pellissippi State College,
Knoxville, TN. Interstate 40, Exit 376A, 162 North to Oak Ridge. Travel
approximately 3 miles. Exit Hardin Valley Rd. Rain or shine. Registration
information: Non-Judging Car Show with Car Corral and Swap Meet. Door
prizes ansd special awards will be provided. Dash plaques and goodie bags
will be given to early Car Show registrants. Event time is 9:00am to 4:00pm
with awards presented at 3:30pm. Car Show and Car Corral advanced
registration - $12. After 7/21/97 and at the gate $15. Swap meet advance
registration $20. After 7/21/97 and at gate $25. Make checks payable to
Smoky Mountain Olds Club, PO Box 1543, Powell, TN 37849-1543. Info: Bob
Hamby (423) 483-3783 or Allen Maples, PO Box 1543, Powell, TN 37849-1543.
Ph: (423) 938-6985.

August 3, 1997. 20th ANNUAL MINNESOTA STATE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Minnesota Chapter. At Jim Lupient Oldsmobile, (Highway 394 &
Louisiana), Golden Valley, MN. 8am to 3pm. In keeping with the spirit of
Oldsmobile's 100th anniversary, this show will be a non-judged event. The
first 150 registrants will receive a participation award. Pre-registered
car $10, day of show registration $15. Swap space $10. All Oldsmobiles
welcome. For details: Joel (612) 781-6396 or Randy (612) 434-6761.

August 3, 1997. DAS AWKSCHT FESCHT (The August Festival).
Hosted by the Blue-Gray Chapter @ Macgungie Memorial Park, Route 100,
Macungie, PA. No rain date. Pre-registration only! July 1, 1997 deadline
for registration. Open to all Oldsmobiles up to and including 1972 models
only. Participation awards are given, pre-registration was $8 in 1996. For
more info: Bob Seaman, 559 1/2 N. Locust St., Hazelton, PA 18201-4922.
Phone (717) 455-8040.

August 9, 1997. OKLAHOMA OLDSMOBILE CLUB SHOW &amp; SHINE (CENTENNIAL
CELEBRATION).
The Oklahoma Oldsmobile Club participates with Eskridge Oldsmobile, 700
W. Memorial Rd., Oklahoma City, OK, in celebration of the 100th Anniversary
of Oldsmobile. Info: Page Waller, 11201 Blue Stern Drive, Oklahoma City,
OK 73162. (405) 722-6628.

August 10, 1997. ANNUAL AVERY GREENE MOTORS OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Northern California Chapters. At Avery Greene Motors, 800
Admiral Callaghan Ln., Vallejo, CA at Interstate 80 and Redwood Street
exit. This will be the kick off for the West Coast Caravan to Oldsmobile's
100th Anniversary in Lansing, MI. Bar-B-Que held on site. For more info:
(915) 782-3637

August 10, 1997. DAVE MILLER OLDS SHOW.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Chapter. At Dave Miller Oldsmobile, 4550 W.
Lincoln Hwy., Matteson, IL 60443. Participant judging fun show. For more
info: Len Osbrink, 3613 W. 123rd St., Alsip, IL 60658. (708) 597-5292.

August 11-20, 1997. THE OFFICIAL CARAVAN FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO AREA
TO LANSING, MI.
For the Centennial Celebration. This is the "official" caravan that will be
accompanied by the media. Watch  "Journey with Olds" for more information.
For more info: Greg Childs, 615 E. Mutton Hollow Rd., Kaysville, UT 84037.

August 15-20, 1997. AN ALTERNATIVE CARAVAN TO LANSING.
There will be four different groups leaving for the Nationals on Friday,
August 15, 1997, leaving from Los Angeles, CA, San Francisco, CA, Portland,
OR and Seattle, WA. Groups will be joining together along the way forming
one group by Illinois. Anyone along the way is welcomed and encouraged to
join in at any point. For more info: Mike Izzo on the west coast (818)
434-2656 and Al Russell in Denver, CO area (303) 457-1079.

August 17, 1997. 14th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Northern Ohio Chapter. At Carnation Mall, Route 62, Alliance,
OH. No rain date. Show opens at 9:00am. Registration closes at noon. Awards
3:30pm. Car corral, dash plaques, door prizes. For more info: Rich Hilko,
4067 Cherokee Trail, Brunswick, OH 44212. Phone (330) 225-0793.

August 20-23, 1997. OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.
Hosted by Oldsmobile Division, General Motors Corp. Any questions about the
event, please write Bob Jarboe, Oldsmobile Centennial Manager, Oldsmobile
Division, GMC Mail Stop ª7060, 920 Townsend St., Lansing, MI 48901-5066.
Fax (517) 487-5151 or call (800) 648-6630. Housing questions or info
contact Oldsmobile Housing Bureau, PO Box 15066, Lansing, MI 48901-5066.
Fax (517) 487-5151 or call (800) 648-6630.

==============================================
SEPTEMBER
==============================================
September 7, 1997. ALL OLDSMOBILE FUN CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.
Hosted by the Archway Chapter. All years are welcome and any condition.
Registration $10 day of show. Swap meet $15. Heart of St. Charles Banquet
Center, St. Charles, MO Hwy 70 &amp; 5th St. at the Missouri River. For
more info: Randy Masnica, 1447 Prospect Lakes Dr., Wentzville, MO 63385.
(314) 332-9313. Or John Palmberger, 11366 Birmingham Ct., St. Louis, MO
63138. (314) 355-4864

September 7, 1997. 100th ANNIVERSARY ALL OLDS CAR SHOW.
Hosted by the Western New York Chapter. At Jack Hayes Oldsmobile, 13090
Main Rd., Akron, NY 14001 (Buffalo, NY). All years welcome and any
condition. Door prizes, dash plaques, awards in 23 classes, special awards.
Lodging nearby. Info: Bill Cerych, 2197 Main Rd., Corfu, NY 14036, (716)
762-9909. Or write Jeff Hasse, Jack Hayes Oldsmobile, 13090 Main Rd.,
Akron, NY 14001.

September 11-14, 1997. BIG SKY MEET.
Hosted by the Rendevous Rockets. Missoula, Montana. No rain date. Rendevous
Rockets' Tour from Salt Lake City to Missoula, Montana. Info: Millie Good,
Box 351, Greenough, MT 59836. (406) 244-5293.

September 12-13, 1997 - QUAD STATE MEET.
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of Wisconsin. Dodgeville, WI. Info: Jim Lahti
@ (414) 258-3814.

September 13, 1997 - 1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE.
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club (Future OCA Chapter). At The Big M
Restaurant/Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between
Bel Air &amp; Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and condition
Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Open to the
public. Other vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50
drawing. Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381, e-mail: brad442@erols.com
or The Big M @ (410) 734-4370. Club Web Link
"http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html"

September 13-14, 1997. ATLANTIC SOUTHEAST ZONE MEET
In conjunction with Fall 1997 AutoFair at Charlotte Motor Speedway. The
largest collector car event in the Southeastern US. Saturday & Sunday Show.
Casual banquet Saturday night. Popular judging in OCA class divisions with
overall Best of Show. Olds eligible for prestigious Best of AutoFair
competition Sunday afternoon. Pre-registration is strongly advised due to
space availability and heavy show traffic, day of show is risky. Entry fee
admits car and occupants to Olds Zone Show. Hornet's Nest Region AACA Swap
Meet and Car Corral in Speedway Infield., and all AutoFair special exhibits
and attractions both days. Oldsmobile Centennial will be a large part of
'97 Fall AutoFair theme so come celebrate with us after Lansing. More
information will appear in future JWO. Info: Glenn Williamson, 125 Jordan
Street, Danville, VA 24540-2633. (804) 799-2691.

September 19-21, 1997. 5th ANNUAL PACIFIC NORTHWEST ALL OLDSMOBILE
WEEKEND RALLY.
Join us for a weekend by the ocean in picturesque Parksville on Vancouver
Island, British Columbia, Canada. Activities start Friday night with a
Salmon BBQ followed Saturday by an informal show and shine and cruise to
the BC Forest Museum to ride a historic steam train. Awards dinner Saturday
night. Hosted by the British Columbia Oldsmobile Club with the Puget Sound
and Northern Light Chapters. All OCA and affiliate members welcome. Limited
rooms available. For hotel reservations call Gray Crest Seaside Resort
today @ (250) 248-6513. Room rates are $73/Cdn (approx $55 US) per night.
Reservations must be made by June 30, 1997. Contact Richard Lewis at (604)
540-1874 for registration, maps and general information.

September 20, 1997. 2nd ANNUAL BOP SHOW.
Hosted by the Rendevous Rockets. At Murry, Utah, City Park. No rain date.
For more info: Greg Childs, 615 E. Mutton Hollow Rd., Kaysville, UT 84037.

September 21, 1997 - 11th ANNUAL ALL-OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET
Hosted by the Mid-Ohio Chapter.  New location for 1997.  At the Andersons
General Store, Bent Tree Blvd. (near intersection of Rt. 161 and Sawmill
Rd.), Columbus, OH.  Car Corral, dash plaques, door prizes.  Registration
8:30am to 11:30am.  OCA point judging starts at 12 noon.  Trophies awared
at 4:00pm.  Registration is $10 in advance for show and judging, $12 day of
show.  To show your car only (not judged), the fees are $6 and $8
respectively.  Vendor spaces available at $5 each.  Nearby hotels are
available.  For more info and/or recieve a flyer: Pete Gaydos (614)
764-9668 or Gary Scheideger (614) 890-7476.

September 21, 1997. 12th ANNUAL FALL MEET.
Hosted by the Blue/Gray Chapter. At E.O. Miller Chevrolet-Oldsmobile, 515
East Chocolate Ave. (US Route 422), Hershey, PA 17033. Pre-registration
only by September 13, 1997. $8. Arrive 9am to 12 noon. Trophies and door
prizes awarded by 3pm. For more info: Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr.,
Hummelstown, PA 17036-9215. (717) 566-3697.

==============================================
OCTOBER
==============================================
October 5, 1997. 4th ANNUAL TRUCKEE DONNER CLASSIC.
Hosted by the Northern California Chapter. At the Best Westerm Motel, 1131
State Hwy. 267, Truckee, CA. 8am-3pm. Cars to be judged must be on the show
field no later than 9am. Pre-registration required. No entries accepted day
of show. Entries must be in by Sept. 26, 1997. The entry fee is $15. You
must be an Oldsmobile Club member to show your Oldsmobile. Awards will
be presented after the show. For more info: Ken Van Gundy, Jr. (916)
782-3637. Reservations available at the Best Western Motel at (800)
824-6385. Mention Olds Club for special rates.

October 11-12, 1997. FIRST ANNUAL REGIONAL OLDSMOBILE SHOW AND GO DAY.
Hosted by the Rallye 350 Club. At Raceway Park in Englishtown , NJ. Racing
and People's Choice for muffled cars on Saturday. Racing only on Sunday for
unmuffled and muffled cars. There will be a flea market also. Saturday
night will end with a buffet and awards dinner at a nearby hotel. For more
info: JoAnne Latorre (908) 276-8008 or (908) 276-4395.

October 12, 1997. 9th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE FALL SHOW.
Hosted by the Capitol City Rockets Chapter. At Templeton Oldsmobile, 8598
Leesburg Pike (Rt 7), Vienna, VA 22182. Help CCR wind down Oldsmobile's
birthday. Music by Oldies 100 WBIG, food &amp; drink, door prizes, OCA
judging available and parts department may be open w/ show specials.
Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked before 10/4/97, $12 day of show. Registration
includes dash plaque, event t-shirt, goodie bag and door prize ticket.
Please make payment to "Capitol City Rockets". Send registration to: Dio &
Barbara, Attn: CCR Fall Show, PO Box 332, LaPlata, MD 20646. Info: (301)
934-2586 or leave a message.

==============================================
1998
==============================================
July 15-18, 1998. OCA 1998 NATIONAL MEET.
Hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds Chapter. Our host hotel is the Crowne
Plaza ( or on the same property ) the sister hotel Holiday Inn East -
Springfield IL. Be sure to tell them you are with the Oldsmobile Club of
America to get our group rates. For the Crown Plaza call (217) 529-7777 or
for the Holiday Inn East call (217) 529-7171. For event information contact
Bill & JoAnn Wagaman, 816 13th St., Rockford, IL 61104. Chapter Phone:
(815) 398-6698

==============================================
OTHER OLDSMOBILE CLUB'S EVENTS
==============================================
August 20-23, 1997 - HURST/OLDS CLUB OF AMERICA'S 13th NATIONAL MEET.
Held immediately following the Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration, August
20-23. For H/OCA meet info: Judy Badgley, 304 S. Clippert, Lansing, MI
48912. (517) 337-0444.

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>After suffering through the heat and humidity last week here in Indiana,
>I woke up this morning to a very pleasant 62 degrees, sunshine and a
>expected high of 82.  My thoughts immediately turned to the 4-4-2 and
>how nice it would be to drive it to work.  I smiled all the way here!

I second that! It's a pleasant 85 degrees here in Topeka and the
Apprehender is really feeling her oats today. I just returned to the office
from a great lunch. My foot was a little heavy after eating, causing me to
leave about 75 feet of Hoosier rubber on the street in front of the
restaurant. Oops.
But really, I coddle my Oldsmobiles and don't do that sort of thing very
often, honest.  ;)

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com




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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:15:42 +0200
From: "archy van wely" <usicon@pi.net>
Subject: Re: olds delta 88 royale 1976

- ----------
> Van: archy van wely <usicon@pi.net>
> Aan: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> Onderwerp: olds delta 88 royale 1976
> Datum: dinsdag 24 juni 1997 20:10
>
> Hello everyone, my name is archy and I am from the Netherlands.
> I have a problem for a long time. I heve been trying to get information
> about my car wich I am restorating. (?make original). Anyway besides that
> it is a very beatifull car I do not know very much about it.
> I would appriciate it if somebody could help me.
> For secutity I will send my chassisnumber and my vehicle identificaion
> number along.
> The chassis number is 3n69r6m245217 and the idnumber is 76oldsl10605217.
> I hope you can help me, in the meantime greetings from Holland
> Usicon@pi.net

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:20:45 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Shock Interchange, 1976 -> 1970 A-body

I was going to post a question here about whether the (relatively new)
shocks I pulled off a '76 Monte I just parted would work on my '70 SX, which
had the original 27-year old shocks on the front and some more recent (well,
1983 at least) shocks on the back. Before I bothered anyone here, though, I
thought I'd check out a link on Karl's "Rage Page" to Monroe Shocks:

http://www.monroe.com/monroe/apps/index.htm

This site has specs on the compressed and extended length (and travel, which
is simply one minus the other) of all their shocks, listed on their web
page. Sure enough, the shocks from a '76 A-body (or G-body) car will
interchange with those on a '70 A-body car, even using the same part ª for
some types of shocks. I suppose they'd probably interchange from '64-'77.

So, if anyone is interested in what other shocks will fit their car, you can
cross-check to your heart's content!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:37:58 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Oldsmobile Fire Truck

There was an article in the paper the other day about the Terre Haute IN
police and fire museum.  They have a 1910 Oldsmobile Fire Truck.  It is
billed as the oldest fire truck in Indiana.  What is best is that it's
an Oldsmobile!  If any of you will be travelling through the area let me
know and I will get the street address for you.  Terre Haute is small
enough that it is easy to find the place.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:35:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Dual Gate Parts

The "H*LP" word strikes again... can't use it, folks.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:W30442CS@aol.com
Subject:  h*lp!!! dual gate parts

me and a friend have some dual gates and are trying to rebuild some others.
am looking   for spare parts to build with, and also need chrome top
plates(has shifter indicator lense  in it).  any one with info. please reply
 thanks steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:44:14 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Part needed

 There is a 1967 Olds Delta 88 that I find is available for parts in a
junque yarde near me.  I have to get an antenna base for someone & a trim
part for Lisa.  It is a nice complete car.  Possibly the connector is on
this car.  I hope that those who need parts will contact me as I have lost
some messages in changing to MS from Netscape.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: W30442CS@aol.com <W30442CS@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Part needed



>looking for your plug-66> toro.  steven.  w30442cs@aol.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:49:30 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: question on striping for 70 cutlass w-31

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello, I was wondering about the striping on a 1970 Cutlass w-31. are they
> supposed to be painted on? Do they go all the way across or stop about 2
> inches before the end of the car? Thank-you!

I assume you are talking about the side stripe.  I do believe they stop
around 3/4" before the bumper break on the sheet metal if memory serves
me. (One of these days I'm going to have to look and find those
"blueprints" I have.)  These are EXACTLY like the W-30 stripes of the
same year.  Yes, they were painted on at the factory.  Stencils and
Stripes sells the kit for these stripe stencils, even though it's a
pretty hefty price.  But they work great!

Good Luck,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 17:42:16 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: olds delta 88 royale 1976

At 10:15 PM 7/29/97 +0200, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>> Van: archy van wely <usicon@pi.net>
>> Aan: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>> Onderwerp: olds delta 88 royale 1976
>> Datum: dinsdag 24 juni 1997 20:10
>>
>> Hello everyone, my name is archy and I am from the Netherlands.
>> I have a problem for a long time. I heve been trying to get information
>> about my car wich I am restorating. (?make original). Anyway besides that
>> it is a very beatifull car I do not know very much about it.
>> I would appriciate it if somebody could help me.
>> For secutity I will send my chassisnumber and my vehicle identificaion
>> number along.
>> The chassis number is 3n69r6m245217 and the idnumber is 76oldsl10605217.
>> I hope you can help me, in the meantime greetings from Holland
>> Usicon@pi.net


Archy,

Actually, what you're describing as the chassis number is what is usually
called the vehicle identification number.  What your "id number" is,
especially with that "76olds" in it, is beyond me.

I have info on decoding 1975 Oldsmobiles, but I think the rules still
applied for 1976.

Your VIN decodes as follows:

3 = division number (3 = Oldsmobile)
N = series (N = Delta 88 Royale)
69 = body style (69 = 4-door sedan with pillar) (in other words, not a
4-door hardtop)
R = engine code (R = 400 cubic-inch V-8 with 4-bbl)
6 = model year (1976)
M = assembly plant (M = Lansing, Michigan)
245217 = assembly sequence number at the Lansing plant, usually beginning
with 100001


I'm a bit uncertain about that engine code.  I don't know if a 400 was
offered in 1976.  The R code might have meant something else that year.
Also, if it was, in fact, offered, I'm not sure it was an Olds engine.  I
seem to recall some discussion on here some time back about the 400 being a
Pontiac-built engine that was made available to Oldsmobile.  All of the
1975 Delta 88's I've come across have had either the 350 or the 455 V-8.

The assembly sequence number is for _all_ models of Oldsmobile built at
Lansing, not just Delta 88's.


Perhaps someone else can help you with that other "id number" you have.



Dan


************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:24:25 -0700
From: "Steve Curry" <Mr.442Guy@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

Hi Doug,  I had a '70 W31 from 1979 thru 1982.  The car was a 4 speed F85,
sebring yellow with black stripes.  Had NO options except an AM radio.  I
put SSII wheels on it (couldn't take the hub caps).  I was traveling thru
the town where my folks live, when I saw the car going thru town.  I
followed the car and it pulled into a womens apparel shop.  I went into the
shop and started asking the women in the shop if they owned the yellow Olds
(I felt a little weird giong into a dress shop, but I got over it).  The
next weekend I bought the car.  Paid $1200 for it.  I wish I still had it.
I have a '68 442 sport coupe now

- ----------
> From: Doug Patrick <pdp@gate.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
> Date: Monday, July 28, 1997 7:34 PM
>
> DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Iwas just wondering if you could e-mail me if you have a W-31.
Tell me
> > a liitle something about it! I'm wondering if I should maybe start a
W-31
> > registry thing. Give me your feedback! Bye!
> In 1978 I bought an original 70 W31. The car had no factory options
> except for the W31 option. From 1983 thru 1989 I raced the car in F/SA
> as an NHRA legal stocker. We ran several national events and several
> division races per year. The car turned a best of 11.85 at 112.35.
> In NHRA legal stock you must run the car with un altered heads,
> manifold, block, crank, rods, pistons, etc. The times turned by a
> stocker are one of the best indications of performance available from
> a stock W31 . Motor was blue printed to stock specs, 308 duration cam
> with .474 lift and stock valve tran, headers, 4.66 gears, 4500 stall,
> and 3600 lbs.
> If anyone else out there has any information or experience with W31
> stocker or racecars I'd love to here about them.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 14:58:13 -0700
From: "Steve Curry" <Mr.442Guy@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '69 H/O Convertibles

Jim Batle, who lived in Phoenix owned the car before the guy in Iowa.  He
restored the car.  I worked for him restoring his cars for a couple of
years, so I have some info.  There were originally thee '69 H/O's.  One was
destoryed in an accident very early(may have been in '69).  Jim got Linda's
car the other is still out there somewhere.  Jim had a line on it at one
time.  The car was at the Olds national meet in Lansing in 1987.  I have a
picture of the convert with Linda and Jack Watson in the car.  Linda signed
it for me.  Jack Watson used to stay with Jim when he passed thur Phoenix.
He located and verified a '68 H/O convertible.  The car was black with gold
stripes and had Gold Hurst wheels.  The guy in Iowa may have the
convertible, I dont remember who bought it.  There was talk of a blue and
silver '68 H/O convert also, I've never seen it.  Jim had several
interesting cars.  He had a '72 H/O wagon, and the only W-30 wagon.  In '70
Olds built two W-30 wagons.  One was a Vista Cruiser the other was the one
without the roof window (Custom Cruiser?).  Only the Vista Cruiser survived
GM's crusher. (apparently it was policy to destroy experimental cars)  The
W-30 wagon ended up with the owner of Popular Hot Rodding magazine.  It was
featured in several issues.  Joe Mondello did some modifications to the
engine.  In '87 Jim bought the car from the magazine editors son.  The car
was very rough.  It has since been restored and is the only W-30 wagon ever
created.

- ----------
> From: Oldsparts@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: '69 H/O Convertibles
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 1997 9:08 PM
>
> John- One of our customers has Linda Vaughns old 69 convert in Iowa.  If
he
> ever sends pics I'll have Bryce post them!   Steve

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:01:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Need info - axles

I'm confused and a little bit suspicious.  I think a PO may have messed
with the axle arrangement.

Just came back from the shop, where the 442 sits up on the lift, waiting
for a donor axle.

The differential has twelve bolts - the mechanic says the guts are a 10
bolt system.  (needed a 10-bolt system outer pinion bearing)

The old axle has arrangement from outside in of backing plate, bearing,
retainer.  Inener oil seal is pressed into axle housing. (a 12-bolt system
characteristic)

He showed me a typical O-type axle with backing plate, seal, bearing,
retainer, which is what Chris Witt says he has from a '70 Cutlass.
My '73 Chilton's shows this arrangement for the non-C-type axle.

Also, axle OD from the 442 is smaller than the one he had (from a Chevy or
Cutlass, I think, 10-bolt system).

Has anyone seen the backing plate, bearing, retainer, inner seal
arrangement?

Are the axle shafts interchangeable?

TIA,
Don Sugarman   Household stable of vehicles (too many!):
Current:                           Past (rating, mileage when sold):
'69 442 (ª1 son's)                 '69 Cutlass S (best, 127,800)
'85 Custom Cruiser (MIL's)         '72 Vista Cruiser (great 113,000)
'92 Bravada                        '82 Omega (worst car!, 35,000)
'94 LSS                            '82 Custom Cruiser (great, 137,000)
'71 VW Campmobile (ª2 son's)
'74 Fiat X-1/9 (ª2 son's)
'89 Jeep Grand Wagoneer (For Sale)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:01:15 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: 71 Cutlass Parts Car

I have a 1971 Olds Cutlass convertible parts car with bucket seats and rear
seat (in good condition), hood, factory air, tinted side windows, good
front bumper, good dash, etc. Cash or possible trades. I have a 1971 Olds
442 convertible. Would like rally pac, factory am/fm radio, ram air hood.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:05:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Parts shipping warning

FWIW

Just heard on the VW Type 2 list that there is a UPS strike possibility
for midnight Thursday.

Anyone needing/shipping parts in a hurry was advised to consider alternate
carriers.

don sugarman

sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 15:03:26 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

Steve Curry wrote:

> I have a '68 442 sport coupe now

You too!  What's her name?

Chris Sparks
68 442 SC
68 442 HT
82 DRB

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>After suffering through the heat and humidity last week here in Indiana,
>I woke up this morning to a very pleasant 62 degrees, sunshine and a
>expected high of 82.  My thoughts immediately turned to the 4-4-2 and
>how nice it would be to drive it to work.  I smiled all the way here!

I second that! It's a pleasant 85 degrees here in Topeka and the
Apprehender is really feeling her oats today. I just returned to the office
from a great lunch. My foot was a little heavy after eating, causing me to
leave about 75 feet of Hoosier rubber on the street in front of the
restaurant. Oops.
But really, I coddle my Oldsmobiles and don't do that sort of thing very
often, honest.  ;)

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com




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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 22:34:44 UT
From: "Daniele Scopone" <DrOldsmo@msn.com>
Subject: 68 442 RH Fender

Need a 68 442 Passenger fender....In good shape.....will pay reasonable price.
 Dan.  (in Michigan)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 18:58:20 -0400
From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Re: T-3 Headlamps

Also,
Mike Fusick has them in his catalog.  I am pretty sure I saw them in there.
 They were being remanufactured under license.  Do not remember the price.

- ----------
> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: T-3 Headlamps
> Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 1:48 PM
>
>
> I need only ONE T-3 headlamp for my 70 442.  Year one sells them in sets
> of 4.  Does anyone have an "extra"?
> Thanks
> Brad

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 19:33:57 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: LANSING LIST UPDATED!

>Hello everyone, well since I'm such a nice guy (Well....I like to think
>so!) I decided I'd type this entire list out one more time. I'd like to
>ask everyone who does not have a copy of this list to please print it
>out if you want it, it takes a very long time to type, thanx in advance,
>
>Cliff McFarlane
>62 Starfire conv
>63 Starfire sport coupe
>
>Well here's the list:
<snip>

Here is my info.

  NAME       HOTEL                         DATE          CAR
  ====       =====                         ====          ===
Hall, Mike    Holiday Inn Lansing West      8/21-24   72' Cutlass S

The wife and my son are up on Saturday and Sunday in our 91' Eighty Eight
Royale


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 19:52:18 -0400
From: "Wagner, John" <WagnerJo@pios.com>
Subject: 72 Cutlass 455

I just bought a 72 Cutlass with a 455 in it. I need interior parts -
door panels, a full dash, front grill, etc.

Any pointers/sources would be appreciated

Regards..John

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 04:22:07 +0000
From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Subject: F*rd, SORRY

I am sorry to bring up the subject of F*RD, but I have a good friend
here and we have rebuilt his '72 mustang 351C prior to west pac. I
would like to know the differences between his FMX and a C-6. I have
discussed with him the advantage of overdrive and the possibility of
puting a higher rear-ratio for off the line yet still have good
highway economy. All demensions, and gear ratios for both trannys
would be greatly appreciated.

Now onto OLDS, Does anyone know of a successful tranny swap on a '68
442. I am looking to change the TH-400 into an overdrive also. I am
looking at the 200-r4, 700-r4, or prefered the 4L80E (electronic
overdrive brother of the TH-400 (3L80.))

thank you for any and all help.

Ben
'62 Olds F-85
'68 Olds 442
Greg
'66 Mustang Conv.
'72 Mustang

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:43:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car

how much for car, and where is it?  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:42:18 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: LANSING LIST UPDATED!

Hello everyone, I'm just adding one more name!

Cliff McFarlane
62 Starfire conv
63 Starfire coupe


Well here's the list:
________________________________________________________________________
>   NAME                 HOTEL               DATE           CAR
>   ====                 =====               ====           ===
> Adams, Tom           Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta conv
> Allen, Joseph        Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
> Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
> Bicker, Steve        Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
> Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass 70 W-30
> Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
> Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
> Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass Supreme
> Culp, Bill           Park Inn Int         8/21-24   62 Jetfire
> Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
> Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
> Glista, Nikki        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 442
> Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
> Hall, Mike           Holiday Inn West     8/21-24   72 Cutlass S
> Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
> Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
> Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
> Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
> Kitchner, Doug       Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
> Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
> Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 Starfire
> Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
> O'Connor, Peg        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   none
> Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
> Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
> Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
> Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
> Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
> Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
> Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
> Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
> Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
> Westlake, Steve      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 98
> Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
> Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
> Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
> ________________________________________________________________________
> LIST TOTAL = 50 People

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 16:21:04 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: H/O

About ten years ago I saw a Hearst Olds er uh Olds Hearst. It looked as
if it was based on a '70 98. Anyway, I was wondering if they are rare as
it was the only one I've ever seen. After all I would want my last ride
in an Olds rather than a c*ddy.

Danny

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:16:34 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?

Since I was too lazy to renew my membership with the OCA I have not been
getting the Journey with Olds magazine listing car shows. Can someone look
and see if there is any information on the Northeast Ohio chapter of the
OCA show? It was Aug 25th last year and I would like to go this year. Thank
you.
____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS.....daily driver..1/4 times  to  come
80 Olds 442 W-30.......show car...2nd place '97 Olds Nats.
75 Hurst/Olds W-25...restoration project

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Cop car (Apprehender) laying rubber....

In a message dated 97-07-29 19:11:05 EDT, you write:

<<
 >After suffering through the heat and humidity last week here in Indiana,
 >I woke up this morning to a very pleasant 62 degrees, sunshine and a
 >expected high of 82.  My thoughts immediately turned to the 4-4-2 and
 >how nice it would be to drive it to work.  I smiled all the way here!

 I second that! It's a pleasant 85 degrees here in Topeka and the
 Apprehender is really feeling her oats today. I just returned to the office
 from a great lunch. My foot was a little heavy after eating, causing me to
 leave about 75 feet of Hoosier rubber on the street in front of the
 restaurant. Oops.
 But really, I coddle my Oldsmobiles and don't do that sort of thing very
 often, honest.  ;)

            Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
 '66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
             Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com
  >>

The car is still an Olds, ya gotta get out and use it for it's intended
purpose (wasting other marques..... and going fast... <grin>...

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:33:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: olds delta 88 royale 1976

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> I'm a bit uncertain about that engine code.  I don't know if a 400 was
> offered in 1976.  The R code might have meant something else that year.
> Also, if it was, in fact, offered, I'm not sure it was an Olds engine.  I
> seem to recall some discussion on here some time back about the 400 being a
> Pontiac-built engine that was made available to Oldsmobile.  All of the
> 1975 Delta 88's I've come across have had either the 350 or the 455 V-8.

I'm pretty sure we determined that the 400 engine offered in Olds
full-sizers that year was in fact the Pontiac motor. Why they did that, I
dunno...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:43:08 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?

At 09:16 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Since I was too lazy to renew my membership with the OCA I have not been
>getting the Journey with Olds magazine listing car shows. Can someone look
>and see if there is any information on the Northeast Ohio chapter of the
>OCA show? It was Aug 25th last year and I would like to go this year. Thank
>you.
>____________________________________________
>Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group

Jason,

It's coming up in a few weeks.  They're holding it earlier this year, I
presume, so that it doesn't conflict with Lansing.

Anyway, it's being held on Sunday, August 17 (the Sunday at the beginning
of Lansing week) at the same place they've held it the last few years, the
Carnation Mall in Alliance.  Registration is 9 a.m. to noon, and trophies
are awarded at 3:30 p.m.



Dan



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Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 97 22:00:42 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Where's my Olds...

After thouroughly reading my literature from Oldsmobile as a display
participant. I came upon the following line:

"We ask that once your car is slotted in its display space you leave it
there until your departure from Lansing."

My rocket fueled question to those participating in the display, when are
some of you planning to place your vehicle in its space and two, once
it's there will you be removing it daily or leaving it and using their
shuttle service? The paragrah on page two goes into some detail that 24
hour security from the Lansing Police force will be made available for
the car displays...(I feel safer already...)

Heidi, are you out there? Have you received any calls on this and is this
request still stand?

Personally, I don't care to be 15 miles from my Olds and having to wait
for some shuttle to drive me around every morning and evening...

Comments?
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:22:04 -0400
From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Ads for Oldsmobiles and other cars

Please note that there is a URL of http://www.wantadpress.com/ that lists
all sorts of cars for sale in New Jersey.  You can search by make and/or
year and/or category (antiques, Olds, price, etc.)  It is a very handy
tool.  It is put out by a publication called the Want Ad Press which now
has the automatic search feature which is very nice.  It usually runs 200
pages in a size a little larger than the Reader's Digest.

I hope this can be of help to some of you.

Bill
lewman@mindpulse.com

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