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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, August 13 1997      Volume 01 : Number 797



Re: There still out there!!!
Re: covt. top problems
Re: There still out there!!!
Re: Convertible Speakers
HEI - Aircleaner Clearance
Re: Swapped 330 heads for a Muncie
Re: Trying to find a dealer
Re: stereo in a convertable?
WTB: stock 69 AM-FM radio
Re: H*LP with the 100th
Re: covt. top problems
Re: There still out there!!!
TH-350C Rebuild Debate...  Questions...
Re: stereo in a convertable?
Intro & Question
Tilt wheel success!!(was re:tilt wheel help)
Re: stereo in a convertable?
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS
Re: Automatic Car Watch
Re: delta 88s III
Re: TH-350C Rebuild Debate...  Questions...
Re: Intro & Question
Re: Intro & Question
Re: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley park!
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Lansing Accomodations Cancelled
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Re: There still out there!!!
covt. top problems conclusion
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Re: TH-350C Rebuild Debate...  Questions...
!969 Adverising Booklet
Re: '69 VIN
Re: Sparkmobile - More Diagnostics
Re: Key question
The 100th
Re: There still out there!!!
Re: Air Cleaner for HEI
Re: covt. top problems conclusion
Re: stereo in a convertable?
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
Re: stereo in a convertable?
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Accessory Brackets and Pulleys ??
455 question
1969 Hurst/Olds Model Kit For Sale (8/13)
Re: covt. top problems conclusion
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
ADMIN: Switching Modes
1967 Delta 88's
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: 455 question
Re: ADMIN: Switching Modes
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Swap Factory Manuals 66 for 67
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder
power brake booster ?

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:20:06 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: There still out there!!!

>>I get over there and it is a 72 442 convt. factory
>> Matador red, white interior, dual gate, posi rear, no a/c,
>> car is from Colorado he owned it since 1978.
[...]
>> $1000 just doesn't go as far as it used to.

>You paid $1000 for a 442 convertible?  You dog!  I am jealous!
>I would like a $1000 convertible too.

Uh, before we all fall on our swords over this... Are you saying
you _bought_ the thing for $1000, or that you only had $1000 to
spend and the owner wanted a lot more?

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: covt. top problems

The "timeout" or reset period may be controlled by a circuit breaker as in
my 66 98 conv. Mine's on the firewall near the w/s wiper motor. There is
a heavy orange lead running into the harness which connects to the top
switch. The other side of the breaker is connected to the battery via a
heavy guage lead to the junction block which is also the horn relay. I
think A Bodies are similar.

Hope this helps!
cf

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:35:00 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Re: There still out there!!!

Get the swords out...$1000.  A guy on this list "Danny" will confirm when he
sees it this weekend.

Mike

________________________________________________________________________________


Uh, before we all fall on our swords over this... Are you saying
you _bought_ the thing for $1000, or that you only had $1000 to
spend and the owner wanted a lot more?

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:41:01 -0300
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@orbital.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Speakers

Steve.Selinger@astramerck.com wrote:

..Even though there is another space for a 6x9 speaker in the top well, I am
only aware of a two speaker configuration for the whole car....

     Actually, the other "6x9" hole is the cutout for the optional rear
     defogger (blower style, not the Andy Green Memorial resistance style).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:56:43 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: HEI - Aircleaner Clearance

I can tell you from first-hand experience, that on a 1972 442 W-30 with a
later model HEI distributor installed, that the stock OAI aircleaner
without modification will clamp down tightly on top of the spark plug wires
with no apparent ill effect.  I put an HEI into mine when they were
introduced in the '73 or '74 Hurst/Olds and it was still there with
distributor and aircleaner both working just fine when we sold the car in
1976.  I do recall that we were unable to use the two spark plug wire
retainers which locked onto the distributor cap, but with that big
aircleaner assembly pressing down on over half of them, they didn't need
much retaining anyway.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:53:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Swapped 330 heads for a Muncie

  This past Saturday I changed cams and intakes on my '65 442 only to
discover that I needed different bolts for the Torker and a drop base air
cleaner.  The guy at the auto parts store had an '87 Cutlass with a very
modified 403 that was partially filled with Hard Block, but he still ran on
the street.  Anyway, he was looking for a set of heads with smaller
combustion chambers to raise his compression ratio.  I told him I had a set
of 330's off a '66 f85.  He offered to swap me, straight up, the heads for a
Muncie wide ratio with a Hurst inline shifter.  I was over there faster than
Butthead could say "We're there dude".  I picked up the K&N air cleaner(had
to get a Ross fuel line as the chrome one on my Holley
4010,?4011...spreadbore, would not clear the base plate) and did the trade.
I showed him Mondello's reference manual and parts catalog so he'd know what
he had to do to make them work and could verify the head castings and
chamber cc's.  He had the trans and couldn't use it without some major mods
to his car and I wasn't planning on putting big coin into the heads, so we
both left happy.  Man I wish I had more swaps like that.


  The '65 442 will be running this weekend.  All told, in this past 30 days,
I changed the 3:08 rear with a 3:55 posi, swapped the cast iron 455 Toro for
a Torker, and replaced the 39 degree cam with a moderate 45.  I know it
won't scream, but it'll yell a bit now.  Let you know Monday.



  Later.


  Paul Brillhart

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:04:48 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Trying to find a dealer

- ----------
> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Trying to find a dealer
> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 3:17 PM
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am becoming discouraged trying to find the dealership that sold my
> 1968 442 SC to the original owner.  The name of the dealership is
> Romel.  Anyone heard of this name or know how I can trace down new
> whereabouts.
>
> BTW they were located in Redondo Beach, CA.
>
> Chris Sparks

I thought I left that Rommel guy in Tunisia !!!!!!!!

The General

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:10:01 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

Don,

 I can't be sure about the '67's, but the '68's-'72's have 2 speaker holes
cut in the metal support behind the rear seat for 6x9's.  My '68 has 2 of
these mounted & they sound very nice except when the top is down.  Even then
it is acceptable if the rear is turned up.  I don't believe that a stereo
radio was a factory option until '70 or later.  That doesn't mean that you
can't have yours converted for mucho dinero by one of the radio rebuilders
advertising in Hemmings or get an aftermarket one.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>don't know about your situation - but while were on the issue.....
>
>I have a 67 cutlass conv. and the only place I know of to mount a
>speaker (stockwise) is in the dash. does anybody have a suggestion
>as to a good place to mount other speakers - the mono sound is
>killing me.
>thanks. don b.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Iezzi <fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: WTB: stock 69 AM-FM radio

Hello list:
Does anyone have a line on where to buy a AM-FM (stereo) for a 69 Cutlass
S? I know that the 98's had stereo as that's what someone sold me saying
it would fit my Cutlass - oops! Well, the price was real reasonable...
Thanks
Frank Iezzi
Columbus OH

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:11:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: H*LP with the 100th

How long are people going to be there.  I have to work that day and have a
basketball practice after that.  ( I coach )   I will try and adjust my
schedule.  But really wnat to meet y'all.

Thanks
Doug H
1970 cs convt.

 !
DON'T MISS the first OLDS LIST MEMBER
> MEETING!  THURSDAY! AUGUST 21ST!! 4:00PM!!! HOLIDAY INN WEST, LANSING
> MICHIGAN!!! Don't you dare miss it! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!!! THURSDAY!!!
>
> <mode OFF>
>
> Whew.... always wanted to do that!  ;-)
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:13:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: covt. top problems

I have the same problems let me know what it took to fix

Doug H
1970 CS convt

>
> I have a 1971 4-4-2 covt. with a power top problem.
>
> First of all in my opinion, it seems the top movement should be faster
> than it is.  I bought the car June 2, 1997 and didn't have any problems
> until mid July.
>
> When I put the top down, no problem.  When I go to put the top up, the
> following characteristics happen:
>
> 1.)  The drivers side tends to come up a little slower at
> first, but does "catch up".  It doesn't seem to be      binding
> anywhere, (such as the back window).
>
> 2.)  The top will stop dead completely, at least three times,
> while attempting to put it all the way up.  NO FUSES         BLOW!
> There must be something that "resets" because         after it stops
> dead, I must wait about 20 - 25 seconds.      Then, it works again,
> (until it stops again).
>
> 3.)  When the top does work, it's smooth,(and slow), and does      not
> pulse or jump.
>
> I looked in the 71 service manual and couldn't find anything for a
> covt. top.  The owners manual was about as helpful as, well you know
> how "helpful" the owners manuals are!
>
> Before I start replacing anything, I would like to know what the common
> causes of this problem are.  One guy I talked to said to check the
> fluid.  Where? How?
>
> What literature covers covt. tops, components and repairs for a 71'
> cutlass 4-4-2?
>
> Thanks in advance for any help!
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:32:02 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: There still out there!!!

>Get the swords out...$1000.  A guy on this list "Danny" will confirm when he
>sees it this weekend.
>
>Mike

I'll give ya $1200 for it.  You could make a profit and not have to lift a
finger :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:49:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: TH-350C Rebuild Debate...  Questions...

OK, I've currently got a TH-350C (Torque Converter Lock-up) in my '81
Cutlass.  I'm debating how to proceed from where I'm at, which is that the
trans. most likely needs to be gone through, and I'm positive the converter
is shot.  I can get a replacement converter for $100.00 (not bad, for a
lock-up style), and I'd go through the trans myself it it wasn't too much
work/hassle.

Question....  how bad are these to go through.  I've got an HP book that
covers the TH-350C, and it goes through everything (teardown, cleaning,
rebuild, etc.), but it also mentions shims, and all kinds of other crap.  I'm
not afraid of mechanical things (above average in that department...), but I
thought I'd get some input from some other list guys that may have done this
before.

Currently I'd just go with the stock (1800-2200 RPM) stall since I've got
2.29's in the rear end, and I'm not sure when I'll change that (hoping to
possibly do that with all this work, if I don't spend too much in other areas
(engine.... ,trans, torque convert., etc....).

So how about some input?.....

Thanks,
Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:55:41 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

At 08:53 AM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>dont know about your situation - but while were on the issue.....
>
>I have a 67 cutlass conv. and the only place i know of to mount a
>speaker (stockwise) is in the dash. does anybody have a suggestion
>as to a good place to mount other speakers - the mono sound is
>killing me.
>thanks. don b.
>
>Don,

I was just noticing that in the new Year One catalog they have a custom fit
dual front speaker. This may be as good as it gets. The only problem is
they only list this for 1965 and 1968-72. Nothing for 66 & 67. Price is
$34.95-36.95. 1-800-932-7663.

Al Barlow
Maine
1971 442 Convertible
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 22:34:19 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@msn.com>
Subject: Intro & Question

Hello to everyone on the list.  I've been on the list for a month or so now,
and have managed to keep quiet.  As a result, I've had the opportunity to
learn quite a lot.  It's really great having such an impressive knowledge base
available!

I am the proud owner of a 1969 Delta 88 and a really sharp 72 Vista Cruiser.
I've started up a website called "Oldsmobile & More" at:

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/

where you can see the VC and some of the other vehicles I've had the pleasure
(and misfortune) to be owned by. I've also included a number of scans of old
auto advertisements, including the 65 98 and '64 VC.

Anyway, the VC has come down with a thorny little problem for which I'm hoping
to find some experienced assistance.  The heater/AC blower fan has gone out.
That is, switching on the heat or AC function results in something of an
electrical load or pull, but nothing happens at any blower level.  This was
preceded a few days by just the high fan setting cutting out intermittently.
The fuses are okay, and I didn't notice any bad fusible links at the harness
junction on the firewall (I understand the high blower setting is separately
fused there). I haven't yet looked into the switch itself, and I'm dreading
the possibility of the failure of the fan itself.  Is there any hope for a
simpler troubleshooting procedure before getting deeper? I really hope I'm
missing something!  All other electricals are operational.  Thanks.

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:56:31 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Tilt wheel success!!(was re:tilt wheel help)

>Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:53:32 -0400
>From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
>
>>...and is known as a Lock Plate Compressor, if you want to call around
>>to find one.
>>
>>Actually I thought the original poster must have had one already (not
>>sure how the heck you'd ever get the snap ring off without it), but
>>was getting it mysteriously stuck while trying to put the ring back
>>on, with the lock plate not compressing far enough to reveal the ring
>>recess.
>
Been there... done that....

Well I'm happy to announce that after a good nights rest i awoke this
morning to put the finishing touches on reassembling my tilt wheel column. I
was able to compress the lock plate far enough to reinstall the snap ring. I
think fatigue after working on it for 2 days straight could have been the
problem as well as some repositioning of the bearing seat and load spring.
Steering wheel is back on and everything is as tight as a drum. Steering
realy feels good. You'll recall that i failed state inspection last week but
today i passed with flying colors.

Special thanks to all who gave me input. It's funny when i think back when i
was calling around to local parts stores to buy tools that i would need, one
guy told me not to attempt this project; he had done it in the past and had
nothing but problems. Well so much for his positive thinking.

Some have asked for a detailed description of the repair process. I'm happy
to oblige but this will take some time. Will post to the list ASAP. However
any immediate questions are welcome!!!

Thanks again!!!!!!


Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:56:20 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

- ----------
> From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?
> Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 5:55 PM
>
> At 08:53 AM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >dont know about your situation - but while were on the issue.....
> >
> >I have a 67 cutlass conv. and the only place i know of to mount a
> >speaker (stockwise) is in the dash. does anybody have a suggestion
> >as to a good place to mount other speakers - the mono sound is
> >killing me.
> >thanks. don b.
> >
> >Don,
>
> I was just noticing that in the new Year One catalog they have a custom
fit
> dual front speaker. This may be as good as it gets. The only problem is
> they only list this for 1965 and 1968-72. Nothing for 66 & 67. Price is
> $34.95-36.95. 1-800-932-7663.
>
> Al Barlow
> Maine
> 1971 442 Convertible
> 1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
> The best set-up I saw was three after market gauges where the dash
speaker
was and speakers in the armrests. I put speakers in the armrests in a 66'
GTO and they just did clear the top cylinders. (speakers actually are
mounted
vertically just bellow the ash tray).

YO also sells speaker boxes for our cars to mount just above the
top motor.

The General

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 16:38:37 -0700
From: Keith Linkous <linkous@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

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Greg -

Is there anyway for people to try and categorize their postings so I can
be more selective about the subjects I receive?  A listserv I belong to
has a rule where you put BASIS: or ALL: or NEWS: or MM: in the subject
and I can subscribe to these subjects only.  I am looking for items
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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:45:11 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS

 Any news on heads for the small block?

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS



>LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
<snip>
>> We finnaly have confirmation!!!! Edelbrock is making an aluminum Head
>> for the OLDS big block!!!! The angles have finally blessed our
>> beloved OLDS!
>>
>> Ben
>> '62 Olds F-85
>> '68 Olds 442
>
>
>Last year Edelbrock told me they would be out fall of '97- guess they are a
little behind schedule.  No
>matter, I'll be buying a pair the second I see them in their catalog.
>
>-greg

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:54:38 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Automatic Car Watch

Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:

> I have a question regarding a clock/watch that recently turned up in my
> fathers garage while he was cleaning it out.

I posted pretty much information on this the last time this subject came
up.  Can someone pull it off of a digest and send it to him?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: delta 88s III

In a message dated 97-08-12 08:24:29 EDT, you write:

<< Exactly what year did the 455's go to blue?
  >>
Hi,
     I believe 1970 was the first year for blue 455. They were red in 68 and
69. Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham 2 dr.

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:37:24 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: TH-350C Rebuild Debate...  Questions...

At 05:49 PM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>OK, I've currently got a TH-350C (Torque Converter Lock-up) in my '81
>Cutlass.  I'm debating how to proceed from where I'm at, which is that the
>trans. most likely needs to be gone through, and I'm positive the converter
>is shot.  I can get a replacement converter for $100.00 (not bad, for a
>lock-up style), and I'd go through the trans myself it it wasn't too much
>work/hassle.
>
>
Hi All,

I thought I would piggyback off this request.  I am interested in putting
an overdrive transmission in my VC.  Originally I wanted a 6-speed manual,
but my financial expert denied that request.  She prefers to have a car
"that big" remain an automatic (I have tried to tell her that it is a
midsize, she won't listen).  That leaves me with two choices, either
getting a built TH700 R-4, or a separate overdrive unit from Gearvendors.
Right now I am leaning toward the separate overdrive since the TH700 needs
an adapter to work with the Olds boltpattern and it is apparently marginal
behind a slightly built big block.

Now I'll get to the question?:  If I go with the Gearvendors overdrive,
can I convert the existing TH400 to use an lock up torque converter?   Has
anyone tried to do this that would be able to provide feedback?  Do the GMC
motorhomes have lock up converters?

TIA

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:07:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Intro & Question

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Fred Orcutt wrote:

>
> Anyway, the VC has come down with a thorny little problem for which I'm 
hoping
 > to find some experienced assistance.  The heater/AC blower fan has gone out.


I had similar symptoms on my '72 VC.  It was a bad fan.  I picked up a
used one at a junk yard, but I was able to repair it, since in my case the
problem was that the squirrel cage blower had come off the motor shaft.

Also, in '82 or '83, when I had the problem, it was easier to find used
parts. ;)

Good luck.
Don Sugarman

sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:10:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: acg@dlogics.com
Subject: Re: Intro & Question

> Hello to everyone on the list.

Crowd: HI, FRED!!!

> Anyway, the VC has come down with a thorny little problem
> for which I'm hoping
> to find some experienced assistance.
> The heater/AC blower fan has gone out.
> That is, switching on the heat or AC function results in something of an
> electrical load or pull, but nothing happens at any blower level.

If you are seeing something indicating a current draw, your blower
motor may well be toast, since there really isn't much else in that
circuit to soak up an appreciable amount of power without blowing a
fuse somewhere. I would try running a thick jumper wire (e.g. 12 ga)
straight from battery power to the (+) terminal on the blower itself.
(And while you're stuck in that crevice, check that the power and
ground connections on the blower are solid.) If the blower starts
up via the jumper wire, you'll have to start tracing back from there
to find a problem in the harnes.

IMHO, it may well be the power or ground connections; when a blower
motor goes bad it usually makes a colossal squealing fuss for some
time beforehand, but a bad power or ground will simply die one day.

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:15:50 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: Re: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley
park!

I'll meet the caravan in Tinley park 8-19pm, driving from OKC,OK. BTW I
called Dave Miller Olds and was informed they aren't actually in Tinley
Park!?

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue, modified 455), '67 4-4-2 (white, original
un-restored), '67 4-4-2 Convertable, original un-restored

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:34:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Keith Linkous wrote:
> Is there anyway for people to try and categorize their postings so I can
> be more selective about the subjects I receive?  A listserv I belong to
> has a rule where you put BASIS: or ALL: or NEWS: or MM: in the subject
> and I can subscribe to these subjects only.  I am looking for items
> related to cars for sale (FS:) or parts (PARTS:) not events or stories
> (EVENTS:) (STORIES:).  I am considering unsubscribing beacuse I can't
> handle the volume of stuff I get.

So, what do you think, gang? There's no way we could do this automatically
and have people subscribe only to one of the sub-lists, but if folks tried
to follow some rules re. the subject lines it might help.  Thoughts?

I already use the ADMIN: prefix for those messages and people already use
the Non-Olds: prefix too; I can think of TECH: and INFO: in addition to
those listed above, probably there are others too.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:18:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997, Keith Linkous wrote:
> Is there anyway for people to try and categorize their postings so I can
> be more selective about the subjects I receive?  A listserv I belong to
> has a rule where you put BASIS: or ALL: or NEWS: or MM: in the subject
> and I can s*ubscribe to these subjects only.  I am looking for items
> related to cars for sale (FS:) or parts (PARTS:) not events or stories
> (EVENTS:) (STORIES:).  I am considering uns*ubscribing beacuse I can't
> handle the volume of stuff I get.

So, what do you think, gang? There's no way we could do this automatically
and have people s*ubscribe only to one of the sub-lists, but if folks tried
to follow some rules re. the subject lines it might help.  Thoughts?

I already use the ADMIN: prefix for those messages and people already use
the Non-Olds: prefix too; I can think of TECH: and INFO: in addition to
those listed above, probably there are others too.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:15:50 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Lansing Accomodations Cancelled

All

Got no response concerning the room left vacant by one of our chapter
members, so the room has been cancelled.  Sorry if anyone tried calling
Monday nite, we had the phone line tied up most of the night, wasn't
planning on that.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:47:52 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

> So, what do you think, gang? There's no way we could do this
automatically
> and have people s*ubscribe only to one of the sub-lists, but if folks
tried
> to follow some rules re. the subject lines it might help.  Thoughts?
>
> I already use the ADMIN: prefix for those messages and people already use
> the Non-Olds: prefix too; I can think of TECH: and INFO: in addition to
> those listed above, probably there are others too.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>

Sounds  good to me. I think 4 or 5 Prefixes should cover most postings
contents.

Daren

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:58:43 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

I'm not sure Greg but I think maybe that this is not the list for him!

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:03:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: There still out there!!!

So did you buy it?

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:03:33 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: covt. top problems conclusion

Thanks to everyone, (there were alot of you), that tried to help with
my covt. top problems.  Unfortunately, it was in vain.

Here's what happened.

Checked the motor/pump, it was dry and the connections and ground
looked good.  I checked the fluid level, it was only about 1/2 cup low
(if that).  I lubed all the pivot joints of the top frame and the same
problem existed.  The top stops about three times while trying to put
it up, and I have to wait about 20 - 25 seconds for the motor to reset
itself.

The passenger side piston leaks a little.  The drivers side piston,
which goes up slower, is bone dry.  After checking all four lines, none
were bent or kinked, I put the top up and down about three times. Same
problem!  Then I checked the motor/pump again and it had a very small
leak at one of the fittings.

So, here's my decision.  Due to the level my car is restored to, a
strong ª2, I'll put up with the top cutting out when I try to put it up
for the rest of the summer.

This winter I will have a new covt. top put on, replace both pistons,
all the hoses and have the motor/pump tested.  I think if the
motor/pump checks out ok i'll keep using it & save $200.

QUESTION???  Does anyone know of a good place that replaces covt. tops
here in Michigan, (Detroit area)?  Also, what's the best place to buy
covt. parts, (pistons, hoses, etc.), as far as quality and price?  I
think year one is high priced.

Thanks again for all the suggestions!  If anyone has additional
comments and/or suggestions about my plans, please let me know!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 20:59:33 -0700
From: Keith Linkous <linkous@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

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Terry -

Actually, I love this list!  It gave me hope for my long neglected '70
442 Convertible.  Maybe someday I'll post my STORY:.  Also, sorry about
using forbidden words in my post.

Thanks -
Keith Linkous
'70 442 Convertible with power everything (except door locks)

Terry E Teague wrote:

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:06:32 -0400
From: Peter Small <104323.165@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: TH-350C Rebuild Debate...  Questions...

Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Erik Nowacki<


Hi All,

        I thought I would piggyback off this request.  I am interested in
putting
an overdrive transmission in my VC.  Originally<snip>
Eric:

About your tranny situation.....I was just on the phone with my tranny
rebuilder.  He really likes the 200 r4 trans
 and says they fail much less often then the 700R4's. The 200R4's has dual
bell housing pattern(fits ch*vy and BOC).
 It also is a direct drop in replacement(dimension wise) for a turbo 350.
If the car originally had a T400 then the
driveshaft will need to be lengthend.

He builds them three ways:
1-H.D. Stock Rebuild 2-High Performance Street (to525 hp) and
 3-Full Race (to 750 HP).  Prices are $425,$550 and $900 respectivley.

Just make sure that if you go for one of these, the guy building it  is
comfortable with these trannys!

........................................ thought this may be good info to
pass along.....  :-)

==============================================
Peter Small

'72 442 Conv,             '71 W30/M22,
'68 427 Vette conv   '71 Supreme [driveway rat]

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 23:18:40 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: !969 Adverising Booklet

 Just scanned some images of this 47 page booklet into the web page listed
below. It has great info, spec and pictures of all OLDS model from 69. BTW,
there was a stereo radio offered from what I can decipher from this book.
The index lists most of the info and page numbers. If anyone on the list is
interested in seeing specific pages and/or pictures of the whole range of
69s, please let me know. Actually, I was really suprised at how well this
old book was reproduced on the screen.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:25:19 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: '69 VIN

>Just received the title for my 'new' '69 Toronado - can anyone help me
>decode (stupid question)
>
>394879m615790 - I know what the M stand for but nothing else!!!

3=Oldsmobile
94=Toronado
87=Hardtop body style
9=1969
M=Lansing
615790=Unit Number (that's pretty high; sure it's not 165790?)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:25:23 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Sparkmobile - More Diagnostics

>1. I JUST put in a new (Carter) fuel pump a week ago. Could it be bad?
>2. When I changed out the fuel pump, I took off the expander. Should I have
left it on?

And you say it only happens hot? I think you've got a problem with vapor
lock or fuel vaporization in the float chamber. Is that one of those Carter
"Musclecar" pumps? If the pressure is higher than stock, when the
high-pressure fuel hits the hot, low-pressure float chamber, it might be
vaporizing, and your engine starves for gasoline.

I'd definitely go with the original expander, and use either a stock-type
fuel pump or a pressure regulator, so that you don't have excessive fuel
pressure at the inlet needle on the carb.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 04:25:27 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Key question

>I have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible that doesn't have a key for
>the ignition. Does anyone know what I can do? It's hard to move around with
>the steering wheel locked. Any sugestions would be appreciated.

While you can pull the wheel, I believe the door and ignition locks share
the same key, so you can pull the door cylinder and have one made up at a
locksmith shop for about $10-$15 (I had to for my SX; then I had him make
*lots* of spares).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:25:34 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: The 100th

always wanted to do that!  ;-)

What, make all of us not going cry?

Lisa (boo-hoo, sniff sniff) Madsen

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 21:27:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: There still out there!!!


>$1000 just doesnt go as far as it used to.

Mine would go pretty far for a car like this!

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 97 0:48:56 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner for HEI

At 08:57 AM 8/12/97 -0700, you wrote:
>What did the factory come up with back then (68-72) when you had HEI
>for an air cleaner.  I can't believe they would dent it up to make it
>fit.
>
>Chris Sparks
>

  Don't think that HEI was available then...   But what I did when I put an
HEI in, is build a ring that sits atop the carb casting (approx. 5/16" high)
to be able to accept the air cleaner canister and clear the distributor wire
caps.

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:20:06 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: covt. top problems conclusion

RC i don't know if anyone had this idea or not but I used to restore
boats and they use the same kind of motors to raise and lower the
outdrives on some of them. It was not uncommon for them to get slow with
time...it ended up that the magnets in the moter were getting weak or
breaking up and the brushes were in bad shape ..usually the magnets= new
motor. Sorry hopes it helps

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:22:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

In a message dated 97-08-12 12:39:48 EDT, you write:

<< i saw rear speakers in a 70 cutlass conv. they were factory!, they went in
 the top well,behind the back seat. they were bolt in to super structure next
 to conv.top pump.       i had same question on my conv., and this is what i
 plan to do.  hope this helps,  steven.    w30442cs@aol.com
  >>
Steven, I have 6 by 9s in the top well of the 68 and the only time the are
of use is when the top is up, which isnt very often.....I have an interior
guy that said he can put 6 1/2" in the door panels and 5 1/4" in the sides
 in back and that with good amplification, good speakers, and maybe
even a sub in the trunk, the car will rock with the top down and cruisin
at 80.....I have a pair of Pioneer TSX-somethings on the floor in front
held down with velcro strips to the carpet....and it would make no diff-
erence to me whether i had the 6x9s in the rear or not....TIM

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:21:37 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

well hope I didn't offen you either...wound not want to offend an OLDS
fan!

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 01:30:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

by putting speakers in the door panels and back sides,does this hurt the
value of the car at all?

thanks
brent 1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:27:56 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                              C&M Classic Parts

Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm
____________________________________________________________________
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $17.00 pr
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.00 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $50.00
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
68-70 Rear Defrost (fan only)  $20.00
70 Sport Mirrors (nice set)  $155.00
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper  (very good)  $100.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $100.00
70-72 Convertible Trunk Lid  (fair to good)  $75.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE, straight)  $110.00
71 8-Track Player (doesn't work, Gold case)  $85.00
71 Cutlass/442 Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
70-72 455 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $38.00 pr
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $70.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles  $100.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________
64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $40.00
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $8.00 ea
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
V-8 Emblem  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $20.00 ea
65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (good cond)  $30.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $25.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $230.00 set
Headlight Bezels  $40.00 pr
LH C/S Rear side molding  $10.00
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $25.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 442 W-30 Core Suport (factory punched, end bent, no rust)  $110.00
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (nice)  $40.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $65.00
67 Front Bumper (very nice)  $110.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $55.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
67 442/Cutlass RH Fender (Arizona part)  $300.00
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $5.00
67 442 Trunk Panel (excellent)  $125.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Fender Emblems (paint & chrome nice, )  $15.00 ea
67 LH Fender (Arizona part) Very nice  $300.00
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00
Full Wheel Covers  $40.00 set

68 Cutlass/442
68 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $25.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $25.00 pr
68/69 442 Front Fender LH (need small patch)  $145.00

69 Cutlass/442
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $180.00 pr
69 Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
442 Hood Tongue  $35.00 ea
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $350.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $275.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
SSII Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
70 C/S Wide side moldings  $20.00 ea
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
S Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
S Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00
Black A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea
Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)
70-71 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (needs patch panel)   $145.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits)  $8.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 4)  $160.00
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
SSII/III Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
72 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (excellent)  $110.00 set
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00

We will be closed for two weeks from 18th of August to the 2nd of September
for Nationals.  We can bring prepaid orders to Lansing.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
OCA ª24275
67 442 W-30 Trac-Pac
67 Cutlass Supreme
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
'72 442 (350)
'94 Cutlass Supreme
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 02:27:55 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Accessory Brackets and Pulleys ??

At 12:15 PM 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Can anyone give me information on the exchange compatibility of small
>block ie 260 to big block ie 455 accessory brackets (ps,alt and ac) and
>crank and water pump pulleys.. Thanks for the info
>
>Al Varhus
>Columbus, Ohio
>http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>
>

Al

        It's a bolt on. It'll go right in there.

Jim Chermack
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 00:32:51 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: 455 question

I recently acquired a '76 Delta 88 with a 455 and a TH400.  I am wondering
 if the 455 would fit into my '81 Delta 88 in place of the 307.  Also,
would a TH 400 fit in place of the TH 250.  Another option would be to get
the TH 700 R4 from a later 80's Camaro and put that in.  Again, would it
work.  I am under the impresion that anything from 267 to 403 is the same
engine exterior wise in therms of dimensions and bolt patter.  Is the 455
the same bolt pattern, or is it different.

PS.  Also, if there is another '76 455 Delta 88 owner, could you tell me
what the aprox. time for 0-60 should be on a well tuned engine with
everything stock including the 2.73 rear end.  Though my 455 that I just go
runs good, it is afuly slow, 15 sec or so, SLOWER then my '81 with a 307.
You definitley can notice that the 455 has way more power but again it dose
not seem to me to be what it sounds like it is.  Are these cars just way to
heavy and have lousy geering in the back or dose my 455 need serious
attention?
Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:15:43 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: 1969 Hurst/Olds Model Kit For Sale (8/13)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1969 Hurst/Olds 1/25th scale plastic model kit.  AMT ª6898.  Factory
sealed box.  Previously advertised and sold at $18.00, but the buyer
apparently changed his mind.  Now $15.00, including shipping to any
address in North America.  (8/13/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | =======================+
|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA ª3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
+=====================================+

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:44:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: covt. top problems conclusion

On Wed, 13 Aug 1997 mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:

> The passenger side piston leaks a little.  The drivers side piston,
> which goes up slower, is bone dry.  After checking all four lines, none
> were bent or kinked, I put the top up and down about three times. Same
> problem!  Then I checked the motor/pump again and it had a very small
> leak at one of the fittings.
>

In my son's former '67 cutlass conv, we disassembled the motor/pump and
found worn o-rings in where the lines came out of the pump body.  Just
replaced the o-rings and got rid of the leaks.

Fortunately, no other leaks.
Don

sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 20:48:33 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@soback.kornet.nm.kr>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

you wouldn't happen to have a '69 442 cruise control transducer?

thanks
jim
69 442 conv

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:04:44 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Switching Modes

I have been offered a contract to support a 750 node NT network and
develop/teach courses in computer repair.  While I will still spend most
of my day sitting at a computer, it won't be this one.  So I'll be
dropping off real-time mode and switching to the digest.  You can always
reach me direct, of course.

Hope this doesn't cause any undue delays in refuting Andy's often
off-base dissertations on defoggers and squeegees.   ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:04:18 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: 1967 Delta 88's

I got this request from my web site.  Since I'm not that familar w/ delta's
I told him I'd forward it to the list.

Reply to the address below, not me.

- -Jeff

- ----------

>How rare are '67 delta 88 2dr. ht and what is the going price for them?
>
>Blubery @ axionet.com

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:02:59 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

Hello does anyone know if the rear defroster setup will work in a 68
Delta ? If it would I would be interested.
Terry Teague

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:59:38 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 455 question

 Igor,

I purchased new, a 1973 Cutlass 455 w/turbo 400 & 3.23 posi.  It was very
slow, dieseled easily, died easily when cold, got 8 mpg, & was generally a
dissappointment.  Of course, I should mentiion that I sold a 1970 Buick GS
Stage 1 to order this car.

At 6,000 miles, I solved my problem  by changing out the cam for a 1970 442
version, rejetted the Q-jet to Stage 1 specs, recurved the distributor,
changed to an Eldebrock aluminum manifold w/out EGR, & used a shift kit in
the transmission.  The mileage changed to 14, the performance became very
good, & I thoroughly enjoyed the car for the next 15 years.

In summary, these '70's engines are gas eating slugs unless one does a
little work to them.  Just a little wakes them up though.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





PS.  Also, if there is another '76 455 Delta 88 owner, could you tell me
what the aprox. time for 0-60 should be on a well tuned engine with
everything stock including the 2.73 rear end.  Though my 455 that I just go
runs good, it is afuly slow, 15 sec or so, SLOWER then my '81 with a 307.
You definitley can notice that the 455 has way more power but again it dose
not seem to me to be what it sounds like it is.  Are these cars just way to
heavy and have lousy geering in the back or dose my 455 need serious
attention?
Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:06:51 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Switching Modes

 Mike,

Congratulations.  I always figured that if you went to school a little that
good things would happen.  Those are some lucky students & a fortunate
school.  Is it an elementary school?

Andy will be well taken care of.  Most of the reasonable arguements have
been brought forth & we can provide the rest.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>I have been offered a contract to support a 750 node NT network and
>develop/teach courses in computer repair.  While I will still spend most
>of my day sitting at a computer, it won't be this one.  So I'll be
>dropping off real-time mode and switching to the digest.  You can always
>reach me direct, of course.
>
>Hope this doesn't cause any undue delays in refuting Andy's often
>off-base dissertations on defoggers and squeegees.   ;)
>
>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and
/
>
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:15:06 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

 Terry,

Prior to the offering of the grid type defrosters - ask Andy Green about
them - GM offered the glower type defrosters in nearly every car starting
around 1960.  You should notice an opening in the metal of your rear deck to
receive this accessory.  Installation is simple except for some dashes
requiring disassembly to install the switches.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Hello does anyone know if the rear defroster setup will work in a 68
>Delta ? If it would I would be interested.
>Terry Teague
>

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 08:40:23 -0500
From: NORM KARLSON <NKARLSON@WORDTECH.COM>
Subject: Swap Factory Manuals 66 for 67

Hi All,
I have a good set of factory manuals, 2 volumes about 6-7 inches worth
for the 1966 Cutlass. My problem is that I have a 1967 Cutlass.
Anyone in the reverse position?

If so, please email me privately.

Regards,

Norm Karlson - nkarlson@wordtech.com
67 330 Cutlass Convertible
52 International Pickup

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:47:25 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

Bill thanks for the info but who is Andy Green and how do I get in touch
with him .......I am still quite new to this list. Thanks Terry

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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 09:06:15 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

>> A listserv I belong to
>> has a rule where you put BASIS: or ALL: or NEWS: or MM: in the subject
>> and I can s*ubscribe to these subjects only.  I am looking for items
>> related to cars for sale (FS:) or parts (PARTS:) not events or stories
>> (EVENTS:) (STORIES:).  I am considering uns*ubscribing beacuse I can't
>> handle the volume of stuff I get.
>
>So, what do you think, gang? There's no way we could do this automatically
>and have people s*ubscribe only to one of the sub-lists, but if folks tried
>to follow some rules re. the subject lines it might help.  Thoughts?

I like this idea the way I like work in general: I could sit and look
at it all day.  :-)  (Mark Twain?)  This subject comes up about every
month or so, but without some plan to _enforce_ it, it just doesn't
catch on. The Spam-l anti-spammers mailing list, by comparison, has had
a longstanding item in its FAQ about doing exactly that, but in scanning
the list of Subjects in this morning's email I don't think more than 20%
of the participants are doing it. The Olds list is a lot less formal and
I doubt it would ever work here. Good idea? Certainly. Practical? Dunno.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 22:21:16 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: power brake booster ?

Well, after taking everyone's suggestions and checking everything I
could think of, I took the car to our family mechanic,(he's good but
always real busy).  He confirmed it.  "Bad brake booster, get another
one", he said.

year one has a booster, unpainted.  So, I have a few more questions I'd
like help with.

Q. Does anyone know the best, (best regarding an original part and low
price), place to buy a new brake booster?  I've found year one to
always be higher priced, but I do want the correct part.

Q. What is the proper color to paint the booster and where can I get
this paint?  Does this color have a particular name?

Q. I never replaced one of these.  It appears fairly easy, should I
attempt it myself?  I do have a shop manual.

The car in question is a 1971 4-4-2, 455 w/ac, with front disc and rear
drum brakes.

As always, thanks for all the help and suggestions!  This network is a
God send!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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