
oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 27 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 734

[none]
Re: New guy on the small block
test
Re: Today's youth
Have I been booted?
Hey !! Car show in CALIFORNIA!!!
I'm not getting any mail!!!
Re: Label placement, I need help!
An end to: 1965 400ci engine/head id
This is a Test do not read
Incombustible Karl and other tripe...
Re: test
Re: ADMIN: List Rules
Re: 442 w-30
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: This is a Test do not read
Re: I'm not getting any mail!!!
TRAVEL:Re: Lansing, rooms still available
Good Oldsmobile Story
Re: New guy on the small block
Looking for 1969 Cutlass Part
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
RE: Today's Youth
Drool Factor----!
Re: New guy on the small block
Nothing is wrong with today's youth!
Re: ADMIN: List Rules
need a crusie control baffle
Re: Label placement, I need help!
can u answer these questions?
Re: Car update
Re: Don tell me more
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: Today's Youth
The Danbury Mint saga continues...
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: can u answer these questions?
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Valve Angle ????
Re[2]: New guy on the small block
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re:Looking for tires 225-75-14
Insurance Comapnies
Re: Today's Youth
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: ADMIN: List Rules
Re: Insurance Comapnies
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
RE: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

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From: "Moore, Spencer T." <stmoore@nppd.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 15:38:16 -0500
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:52:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New guy on the small block

In a message dated 97-06-26 19:25:48 EDT, you write:

> First question is should I paint it back to the original
>  sterling silver, or maybe go w/ a custom color..

Per a question I asked a while back, most show judges will not deduct for
non-original paint as long as the final color was available as a factory
color for that year. What I am getting at is that if you do not care for
sterling silver (and if that was an original color) you should have a number
of factory color to choose from without "going custom". I do not know if you
intend to ever have your car judged in a show, if not paint it whatever you
prefer. I just feel that for my resto project, if I cannot make it look like
it once did, then what is the point?

Good luck with your colorful project.


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Excess Gasoline Released?

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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:18:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: test

hi

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From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:01:54 -0700
Subject: Re: Today's youth

Thank god my "geezer" old man kept one of our 442's for me to get my
grubby (greasy) hands on!  ;)

						Travis
						65 442 post

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From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 17:20:58 -0500
Subject: Have I been booted?

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tcleeton@mcmsys.com
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From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:22:43 -0400
Subject: Hey !! Car show in CALIFORNIA!!!

Someone sent this to me from my web page.  (To far for mr to go)
- --------------------------------------
Big Brothers Big Sisters is Having a Classic Car Show!
Crusin' For Kids' Sake

Fun and Games, $$$ Raffles

When:   July 19th and 20th , 1997
Where: Ukiah Airport, Ukiah Ca.

Free Entry To View The Classic Car Show!

Sat. Show and shine 9am-6pm, Ukiah Cruse 4-6
Sun, Awards 3pm

Oldies Concerts:
Cannibal and the Headhunters, The Chantels, and The Legendary Esquires!

Tickets:
Adults $8.00 ($10.00 at the door)
Under 12 and seniors $5.00 ($7.00 at the door)

Concert Times: Sat, 7pm and 9pm, Sun.1pm

Car pre-entry ($25.00)  Booth and Vending Spaces ($50.00)

Camping available and more!

For More Information Call: (707) 964-1228, or TOLL FREE:888-880-3295
e-mail: bbbs@mcn.org

DONATIONS WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED
BIG BROTHERS BIG SISTERS
552 N, MAIN ST
FORT BRAGG, CA.95437
 

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:45:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: I'm not getting any mail!!!

H*lp I'm not getting my OLDSMOBILE fix for the day!!
Why is that?
Someone email me w/ a 1968-72 442 for sale so I know my email is still working
I posted a test and never saw it come up

Whats up

Do I need to subscribe again?

Thanks
Doug Harkema

harkema2@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 07:24:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Label placement, I need help!

On Jun 24, 10:31pm, mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> Subject: Label placement, I need help!
> I just bought my dream car three weeks ago,(1971 442 convertible),
> which is totally re-done except for a few stickers in the engine
> compartment. (lucky me)
>
> My question; is there a book or other reference that will show the
> proper placement for such stickers as:
>
> emissions (on the "radiator cover plate" between the fan shroud and the
> hood latch)
>
> radiator warning sticker (left of the emission sticker)
>
> "posi" warning sticker  (this goes on the inside of the trunk lid, left
> of the jack instruction stickers)
>
> I have both the 1971 service and chassis manuals.  Are the sticker
> locations shown in there? (I haven't got a chance to look yet)
>
> Lastly, I was wondering if anyone knew if the radiator cap aligning
> sticker was added by the dealer, or put on at the factory? (this
> sticker is red/orange in color and goes completely over the radiator
> cap)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> RC Hellebuyck
>

	RC,

		All the statements that Jim Chermack wrote are correct for the
locations. The most important item that you need for any reference is an
"ASSEMBLY MANUAL". Fusick Automotive Products carrys them, they are located in
CT and the number is (860) 623-1589.

	I have a catalog available ($3.00) that also shows the location of the
labels. My address is:

			Mark Cornea Reproductions
			P.O. Box 531445
			Livonia,  MI   48153-1445

	Doug K - Thanks for the plug!

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

           (drdecal@juno.com) or (mcornea@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:57:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: An end to: 1965 400ci engine/head id

Some things "said" were;


>  > > >
>  > >  > Hey Guys,
>  > >  >         An engine with "A" heads can be the 400 as well as the 425.
>  > >  >Trust me...I've looked at one for over 32 years!
>  > >  >                                                        Ron Forsee
>  > >  >                                                      65 442-Meister
>  > 
>  > OK
>  > 
>  > Did see a 1965 Cutlass/F-85 442 allaged to have 400cid motor inside.
>  > The code above the water pump read; 389298B. The heads were A.
>  > There was no "400" on the heads that I could see (block ID was
>  > readable but I forgot to remember it), but I believe that the cylinder
>  > head also read a number that was not 383812 as mine read. The
>  > only reason that I previously thought that there were no 1965 400's
>  > is that my 1965 Chassis manual only mentions 330 and 425. Are
>  > these markings correct for IDing the 1965 400 and are there other
>  > markings?
> 
>  If your chassis manual only covers full-size cars that would be why 400s
>  are not listed in it.
>  
The following is the result of a brief Rocket Talk with Jim Chermack.

Firstly, as far as I know, chassis manuals cover _all_ models for that year.
The reason that my manual does not list the 400cid in the 1965 4 4 2 package
is that my manual was printed in September of 1964 and most 4 4 2's are
produced inmonths like June/July of the following year (right?). As those
cars did not yet exist, they were not included in my manual.

I consider this thread ended. My apologies and thanks to 4 4 2 Meister Forsee
and also somewhat to J.C. 


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Electrifying Ground Replaced?

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From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 18:54:36 +0000
Subject: This is a Test do not read

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Incombustible Karl and other tripe...

So finally it happened. I put off replacing fuel line too long. Tuesday after
work a wet manifold witnessed an infuriating persistent fuel leak.
Furthermore I realized that I had one of those cool Rochester variants where
you could tighten the inlet fitting continuously!?!

Ooooooops.

Stripped carb threads (fitting OK).

So I took Wednesday off and checked out a number of parts stores. Those that
I had called ahead to said I should bring in the fitting and they would fix
me up with something. Well they were thinking of the heli-coil kits. Great.

So finally I go to Forest City Auto Parts (w/o calling ahead). Not only do
they have a replacement for the Rochester inlet fitting which has slightly
oversize self-tapping threads, but they have two different sizes, and one for
Quad-fours, and all on a shelf in back! I picked myself up off the floor and
paid about $8 for the mid sized one (the smallest was approximately the same
size as the stock fitting).

The replacement fitting is approximately an inch long with the carb side
hollow so a larger fuel filter (or some other adjustment) is necessary. This
also meant that I had to do some creative pretzeling with the steel 3/8
tubing which I am going to replace in about 10 minutes with braided hose.

I had not imagined such a replacement part existed (pretty cool). For anyone
interested it is a product of Perfect Parts (Fairlawn VA);"Self Tapping Carb
Fitting
CF-416B" and states that it fits 3/8 tubing and long filters. Now I just need
a long filter. I suspect that the HELP! brand may also produce something like
this.

My thanks to Jim Chermack, Jeff Easton, and Dave Brown for their much valued
help.

BTW Jim the fitting atop the fuel pump is 3/8 tubing female (tubing has
male/male fittings.

Maybe now my fuel economy will improve to 0mph from 0mph (speedo cable).


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Dalai Llama to a NYC hot dog vendor "Please to make me One with
Everything."

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:14:33 -0300
Subject: Re: test

At 05:18 PM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>hi

This came across around 9:00; one of three or so messages from the list
today. Did the world end, or is the list just a little * s l o w * today?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 20:11:48 -0400
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Rules

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Having read some of the traffic while I was away, and having continued to
> do so this week, I think I need to remind some folks about the rules of
> engagement here, as outlined in the welcome message you received when you
> s*bscribed.
> 
> One of my jobs here is to ensure that the list is a friendly place, and
> that people will not hesitate to post due to fear of being embarrassed or
> otherwise taken to task. Basically the messages should read like a
> conversation would sound. Shouting at someone or agressively arguing a
> point would not be acceptable in a conversation with someone you do not
> know, and the same holds true here. We encourage *polite* debate, not
> in-your-face put-downs. Please take note of that fact.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Correct me if I'm wrong Greg, but shouldn't that also apply to "gender
bashing"?  Seems to me that Monday there was a comment that a female
member objected to and was replied to with a similar comment.  She
either put herself above it and chose not to respond, or possibly,
unsubscribed.
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 16:55:01 -0500
Subject: Re: 442 w-30

EROB50@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to find out the best way to  authenticate a 1970 or 1971
> 442 w-30 without having any original paperwork...
> 
> I know the vin number indicates the 442 status but what should I look for in
> a factory w-30 car.

A W-30 car will ALWAYS be built in Lansing. W-30s have less body and
sound insulation. As for engines the '70 will have to have F cast heads
and the '71 will have H castings. Both should have factory aluminum
intakes with Oldsmobile W-455 for the '70 and Olds W-455 for the '71. If
the car is a four speed it should not have power brakes. Both should
have red inner fenders and two braces just behind them. At least on the
'70s, it should have a 12 bolt posi. 

Danny

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From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

NAME			HOTEL		DATES		CAR
====			=====		=====		===

Beaulieu, Greg		Hampton Inn	8/18-23		none
Hirtle, Don		Hampton		8/18-23		none
Penny, Steve		Hampton		8/18-23		none
Smith, Brian		Hampton		8/18-23		none
Stewart, Sandy		Hampton		8/18-23		none
Johnson, Ernie(EEE) Ramada           8/20-24       67-442

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:17:04 -0400
Subject: Re: This is a Test do not read

> 
> Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
> 
Rick, FYI, postmarked at 6:54pm (header said 2054... who knows!) and received at 
9:16pm eastern, sent this out right away...

Doug

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:37:13 -0400
Subject: Re: I'm not getting any mail!!!

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> H*lp I'm not getting my OLDSMOBILE fix for the day!!
> Why is that?
> Someone email me w/ a 1968-72 442 for sale so I know my email is still working
> I posted a test and never saw it come up
> 
> Whats up
> 
> Do I need to subscribe again?
> 
> Thanks
> Doug Harkema
> 
> harkema2@pilot.msu.edu
How about a 72 Cutlass S w/350 2-bbl, one owner with little rust? 
That's my best shot.

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From: Cnvrtbl442@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:21:06 -0300
Subject: TRAVEL:Re: Lansing, rooms still available

We would be very much interested in a room if one is still available.  Thank
you so very much. 

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From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:06:40 -0300
Subject: Good Oldsmobile Story

I sent this but don't know if it got to the list.  Hope it works this time!

- ----------
> From: DAVID  BETZ <dbetz@netwalk.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Good Oldsmobile Story
> Date: Friday, June 20, 1997 7:15 AM
> 
> Got a good one for you.  This is a true story.
> 
> I pulled my 1972 Delta 88 convertible into my parking space at work
> yesterday morning (I work for a small town in central Ohio) and a woman
in
> a mini-van pulls up and says "That's got to be my old car!"  She got out
of
> the van and we talked for a while.  She said that she had a car just like
> mine and she closely looked it over.  Her mother was the original owner. 
> She gave me her mother's name, and said her mother sold it at a garage
sale
> around 1990.  I bought it from a guy in 1995 who told me he bought it in
a
> garage sale.  When I got home last night I checked the copy of the
original
> title I got from the BMV and sure enough, it was her old car!
> 
> It also seems that this woman's mother lives in the small town I work
for! 
> Going to look her up this afternoon and see if she has some pictures of
the
> car when new and to talk old Oldsmobile times with her.
> 
> One in a million, if you ask me!
> 
> Dave Betz
> dbetz@netwalk.com
> 

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:22:38 -0300
Subject: Re: New guy on the small block

At 07:52 PM 6/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> First question is should I paint it back to the original
>>  sterling silver, or maybe go w/ a custom color..
>
>Per a question I asked a while back, most show judges will not deduct for
>non-original paint as long as the final color was available as a factory

I looked at a '70 SX for another person, that was repainted the original
silver, and I mentioned to the guy that I was going to have to paint my SX,
and was considering that very silver. He was a body/paint guy by trade, and
when I said this, asked if I'd painted many cars (no, I haven't). He said
that it's very tough to avoid a "zebra" effect where the metallic in the
silver overlaps with the spraygun passes, and is apparently extra-metallic
at those points.

Now, I'm still considering painting the car silver, but not necessarily for
my first try. I may go with white, which is pretty forgiving in this way, or
maybe even a non-metallic color (maybe OSHA orange?).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: SAdelstein@AOL.COM
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:35:19 -0300
Subject: Looking for 1969 Cutlass Part

I own a 1969 Cutlass Oldsmobile.  It drives well, but I seem to have problems
with the front brakes.  Every time I brake, the car pulls hard to the left.
 Sometimes when the car is cold it will pull to the left and to the right.  I
have installed a new master cylinder, power booster, power brake check valve,
four new wheel cylinders, and new brake pads.  Also, I have blead the brakes.
 After doing all this the car started braking fine for a few days, but then
went back to pulling again.  Does this problem sound like there is a
restriction in the brake lines or else is the proportional valve going out.
 If anyone can help with this I would be very appreciative.

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 22:11:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

At 02:25 PM 6/26/97 -0300, you wrote:

>> >NAME            HOTEL        DATES        CAR
>> >====            =====        =====        ===
>> >
>> >Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn    8/18-23        none
>> >Hirtle, Don        Hampton        8/18-23        none
>> >Penny, Steve        Hampton        8/18-23        none
>> >Smith, Brian        Hampton        8/18-23        none
>> >Stewart, Sandy        Hampton        8/18-23        none
>> >Chermack, Jim                  Mariott East          8/18-25
>> 70 SX W-32
>  Harkema, Doug     Holt, MI        all     none yet> >


You can add Dan Gulino, Sleep Inn, 8/20-8/24, 1975 Delta 88 convertible

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

In a message dated 97-06-26 04:25:45 EDT, you write:

> Last night I went to the small town of Clinton, IN for a meeting.  I
>  drove the 4-4-2 because it was such a nice night.  After the meeting I
>  cruised through town like I did 20 years ago in the same car.  There
>  were some people out cruising, but they were not driving any
>  hi-performance vehicles.  Small trucks, front drive 4 bangers, and mom
>  and dad's family car.  I know that dinosaurs like my Olds are not around
>  like they used to be, but where are the Rustangs and Come-here-ohs? 
>  There were a ton of those things made, yet I don't see them out.

There was a Ford Day at Houston Raceway Park a month or so ago and there were
 M*stangs  crawling all over the place.  I guess it just depends where you
are.

>  (Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
>  used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.  And you
>  wouldn't be caught dead in a four door anything.  To the younger
>  generation on this list, I salute you. You have the good sense to enjoy
>  automobiles as your forefathers did.  As for the rest of these kids,
>  they don't know what they're missing. (Geezer mode off)

I think part of the phenomena of enjoying cars like we do comes with being
able to tinker with them.  You need an electrical engineering degree to
"tinker" with modern cars.  Appearance is about the only thing you can modify
these days, so that's why you see neon lighted undercarriages and wheels that
stick out 6 in.

>  
>  Radios are for parking, dual exhaust is music for driving.
>  
>  Dave Wyatt
>  70  4-4-2

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 23:56:06 -0400
Subject: RE: Today's Youth

*** Due to the recent mail blip...I am sending this one again.***

Ok, I feel the need to defend my peers on this perilous journey throught
life.  Althought, I don't think that I can.  I agree with most of what
everyone has said however, not all of us "youngins'" are that bad.  I am
20 years old and my frist car EVER was a 1969 Charger and I  loved it.
Now, granted it was not an Oldsmobile, but you gotta start somewhere,
right?  Currently I am working on a '69 442 which is the best I've had.
As soon as this college thing gets over with I plan to go right through
the car, all the way down to the bare metal.  I vow to NEVER, EVER own a
rice rocket or a 4-banger that sounds like the zipper on my winter coat,
that I mean.  I was raised on American cars, grew up around them and
will most assuredly die with them...Dad's and x-marine, if such a things
as an X-MARINE exsists and he'll be damned if I drive an import, and
frankly, I agree.  There is not much better than the notion of being
able to go 130 without burning up your engine or blowing a seal.  I love
the older vehicles, the style and the power...the only thing some kids
today know about chrome is it's place on the Periodic Table of
Elements.  I used to have a '66 Caddy Coupe De Ville...there was more
chrome on that thing than a fleet of H*ndas.  The door grommets alone
weighed more than some of the new engine blocks made out of "space aged
co-polymers."  Don't get me wrong, advancement, technology, and all that
stuff is great...I love my computer!  But there is no comparison to a
polished and ported 455.  So, in conclusion I feel your pain, but we are
not all lost in a world of funny clothes and peirced body parts (argh!)
trust me on that one.  So of us do actually care.

Daniel R. Gerow
'69 442
'71 Bronco w/ the Escort body

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From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:01:27 -0000
Subject: Drool Factor----!

As an Olds maniac, there are those times you see a car that really makes
you drop your jaw.  Well tonight was one of those nights.  I spotted a fine
68 442, you don't see very many of those around here (No. California). It
was Silver with Black Stripes and a Blk vinyl top, it even had a set of 4
T-3 Headlights.  The car was all original-sans tires.
It is always great to see such a fine example of an Olds.  It inspires me
to finish my project.....I have found friendly chats with other Olds owners
has scored me some great parts and advice. I hope to finish soon. I thank
all the great advice I have received from this list.

Corey D
1970 Cutlass S - 455
dayc@ix.netcom.com

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 00:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New guy on the small block

In a message dated 97-06-26 03:58:57 EDT, you write:

> Hello all,
>  	Just got signed up for the list, wanted to ask for some opinions......I
>  have '71 Cutlass S with a 350.....Paid $500.00 for it three years
>  ago.....Anyway I've got her stripped down to the metal and am getting
ready
>  to spray....First question is should I paint it back to the original
>  sterling silver, or maybe go w/ a custom color...keep in mind this will be
>  my first paint job....

I think you should paint it any color you want unless you are going to show
it.  You will lose points if you are entered some classes if the color isn't
original.  Is the silver color rare?  I don't think I have seen too many that
color.

>  Also, what type of paint is the most forgiving for a
>  newbee like myself....The body is in pretty good shape, of course it has
>  its share of dings and surface rust, but I think I've just about got them
>  whooped...

Base coat/clear coat paints are fairly easy to use.  If you put on enough
coats of clear, you can sand out most of the orange peel and runs.  The clear
coat also protects the color from fading.  I recommend PPG products.  Be sure
to use a good primer too, like an epoxy primer.

>  					Thanx fer list'n'n
>  					John Dodd

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:26:51 -0700
Subject: Nothing is wrong with today's youth!

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> Dave Wyatt laments:
> 
> >  I know that dinosaurs like my Olds are not around
> > like they used to be, but where are the Rustangs and Come-here-ohs?
> > There were a ton of those things made, yet I don't see them out.
> > (Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
> > used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.
> 
> <Snip>
> 
> <My Own Geezer Mode, Fresh Out-o-the-Box, On>
> 
> Well-l-l-l, back when *I* was that age, in the mid to late '70s, driving
> used musclecars from the 60s, guys my Dad's age would ask, "Where are all
> the 'rodded Deuce Coupes and '49 Mercs with frenched headlights?  You kids
> today don't know what cruisin' is!"
> 
> <Geezer Mode Off, Philisophical Mode On>
> 
> It is the same with every generation, I guess.  Time *does* in fact march on,
> despite our best efforts.  It seems every generation thinks that the next one
> is lacking in some way, be it their attitude or the cars they drive.
> 
> I remember reading a blurb something to the effect that the young generation
> is completely lacking in culture and purpose.
> 
> It was written by one of the Greek Philosophers a coupla three
> thousand years ago :) :)
> 
> And we didn't turn out so bad since then, did we?  OK, OK, so there were those
> pesky Dark Ages for a few centuries; but other than that...
> 
> <Philisophical Mode Off>
> 
> And look at it this way:  In 2035, those same kids you saw last night will be
> complaining, "Back in my day, we made do with cars that drove on the
> *ground*, not in some new-fangled sky-lane... right McFly?" :)
> 
> Tim (Be Nice To the Next Generation, They'll Be Choosing Your Rest Home)
> Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

	Well, I am a part of today's youth.  And that youth that the previous
generations (you older guys) are reminicing about is here in Napa.  Our
high school car club consists of almost all muscle cars (20+) and we
continuously have races to see who's is the fastest (currently I am).  
	Our whole teen-age generation is based on THE J.  The J is the local
street perfect for cruisin', racing, and just loitering.  On THE J we
have THE SPOT, where a select few (10+) park our cars, show style, and
sit on the curb of the street pointing out who-has-what in the hot rods
that go by.  
	Every-so-often, a person from out of town will challange one of us to a
race, for that we head out to a rual road in the vinyards.  The person
to race usually is the fastest, and that's me (for now).
	The old 32's, etc, don't really exist due to the high prices they now
fetch, and our minimum wage/part time jobs can't afford them.  But a
couple friends have T-buckets.
	There is the Unofficial "Cruise Night" which is held on a Saturday late
in August.  For such an event, all the malt shops, coffee houses, and
fast food joints stay open till 1 in the morning.  Hundreds of people
come to watch the cars go by and to show their cars.  It is so crowded
that it takes over one-and-a-half hours to cruise THE J, only two miles
in length.  And like most cruise nights, there are several burn-outs and
even more cops.
	I find it unfortunate for other teens to not have hobbies with so much
support.  But if you are in Napa on Friday night, go down Jefferson St,
and across from McDonalds you will find several cars parked in a lot,
known as THE SPOT.  I'm the one with the quick '70 Oldsmobile 442 W-30.
Brad
70 442

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From: "Kaye Kimball" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:37:53 -0700
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Rules

Kurt,  I wouldn't uns*bscribe because of what Mr. Convertible had to write.
 I would rather get on with the important stuff, ~the cars~.

BTW,  I still need the plastic interior pieces for my '86 442. ('81-'87
will work)  I don't remember what they're called but it's the pieces that
go up each end of the windshield to the roof and the pieces that form the
"T" around the t-tops.  Color is not important because it can be dyed but
burgundy would be best.  Thanks.

(Jason,  you out there??)

jdkim@lvdi.net

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:36:00 -0400
Subject: need a crusie control baffle

I need a "vacuum baffle" for the cruise control unit on a 1971 442 
(455, 4b, w/ac)

the linkage rod that goes to the carb and the mounting bracket for the 
"vacuum baffle would also be great!

if someone has this part or knows where I may find one let me know.

RC Hellebuyck

mrhell@sprynet.com

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:23:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Label placement, I need help!

thanks for the reply Mark!

you were a great help.


RC

1971 442 convt

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 01:51:00 -0400
Subject: can u answer these questions?

I would like to know the following regarding 1971 442s, ONLY 4-4-2! 

1.)  was the Ram Air hood an option? (with 442)

2.)  was the Tic-tock-tac an option or standard?  (with 442)

3.)  was the radiator alignment sticker added at the factory or added 
by the dealer?

4.)  the SS-I chrome wheels that did NOT have the beauty rings, (the 
actual wheel rim was chrome)...

was this type of wheel available as an option back in 1971?

I would like to change over to these rims, but only if they were a  
offered stock option for that year.


Thank you to anyone who will correctly answer!  these are questions I 
have asked many people, but can't seem to get a solid answer.

RC  Hellebuyck   -  1971 442
    

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 03:55:27 -0700
Subject: Re: Car update

Some of you may remember that I was looking to purchase a 1968 442 HT
to use as a parts car for my 1968 442 Sports Coupe.  This car that I am
planning to buy contain stuff that I need to fix my current one as well
as provide some niceties wish-list type of components.  I am planning
on taking the power window and install them on my crank-style windows.
I believe that Joe Padavano stated that these are bolt on replacements
providing I get the regulators, wiring harness, and motors.  Are the
doors/door glass different on the Sports Coupe -vs- the Hard Top Coupe??
How about the door inserts?  Will I have to cut a hole out of my
current's or should I reskin the donor car's instead?

If I use her front disc brakes, which are probably 4-piston type, should
I get a 1-piston type instead and sell her's off?  Is their a market
for 4-piston type brakes?

She also has a map light under he dash, is this hard to put in mine?
The wiring, installation, ya know?

I have also been playing with the idea of restoring the other car too
when I
got the chance.  Did HT of this year come with crank windows?  I was
thinking
about swaping the window controlling systems.

Oh BTW, how easy/hard is it to take off the rear bumper?  I haven't
figured this one out yet.

I haven't been able to determine if the donor car, or mine for that
matter,
has posi in it or not.  Maybe when I get it up on a lift, I can scrub
that
axle till I get a number.  Does anyone have a list of numbers for rear
ends
that they could post on this list?  Once I find the codes, I will be
anxious
to look them up.  I don't see any tags, however, that doesn't mean a
thing
since these probably broke off over time or was never put back on by
mechanics.

Another question:  This donor car has a sports outside mirror, which of
course
I will want to use.  The question is should I use what I have (standard
mirror)
and have it mounted on the right side?  Would this be acceptable say if
I were
to show the car?  Will the sport's mirror work in the current hole in
the door
as for the standard mirror?

My head hurts from writing all these questions.  I am sorry for my
e-mail's 
terseness.  Please RSVP soon since the owner of the other car will be
looking
for another and I may be buying the 442 from her on Sunday.

Thanks in advance

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:20:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Don tell me more

I could be interested  tell me more.

>
> Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> >
> > H*lp I'm not getting my OLDSMOBILE fix for the day!!
> > Why is that?
> > Someone email me w/ a 1968-72 442 for sale so I know my email is still worki
ng
> > I posted a test and never saw it come up
> >
> > Whats up
> >
> > Do I need to subscribe again?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Doug Harkema
> >
> > harkema2@pilot.msu.edu
> How about a 72 Cutlass S w/350 2-bbl, one owner with little rust?
> That's my best shot.
>

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From: kovalj@dave-world.net (Justin Koval)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:23:11 -0500
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

I'm 16..there is nothing wrong with us!

I will tell you the main thing that is keeping me from driving a high
performance vehicle.....InSURANCE costs!  I wanted a "Rustang" and have
looked at a few, but insurance is way to high.  As for come here ios, I
really do not lioke them.  We have the 72 Cutlass with the bad frame, and I
only wish the frame lasted one more year so I could drive it.
And I know this is not exactly "high performance" but I am working on a 51
Pl**outh and am buying a 1940 Pl**outh.
Some the only thing wrong with todays youth is the fact that insurance rates
are up, kids are working less now, ect...  I have a job, but I still can not
afford that much money a month.

Justin

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:27:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Today's Youth

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
> 
> *** Due to the recent mail blip...I am sending this one again.***
> 
> Ok, I feel the need to defend my peers on this perilous journey throught
> life.  Althought, I don't think that I can.  I agree with most of what
> everyone has said however, not all of us "youngins'" are that bad.  I am
> 20 years old and my frist car EVER was a 1969 Charger and I  loved it.
> Now, granted it was not an Oldsmobile, but you gotta start somewhere,
> right?  Currently I am working on a '69 442 which is the best I've had.
> As soon as this college thing gets over with I plan to go right through
> the car, all the way down to the bare metal.  I vow to NEVER, EVER own a
> rice rocket or a 4-banger that sounds like the zipper on my winter coat,
> that I mean.  I was raised on American cars, grew up around them and
> will most assuredly die with them...Dad's and x-marine, if such a things
> as an X-MARINE exsists and he'll be damned if I drive an import, and
> frankly, I agree.  There is not much better than the notion of being
> able to go 130 without burning up your engine or blowing a seal.  I love
> the older vehicles, the style and the power...the only thing some kids
> today know about chrome is it's place on the Periodic Table of
> Elements.  I used to have a '66 Caddy Coupe De Ville...there was more
> chrome on that thing than a fleet of H*ndas.  The door grommets alone
> weighed more than some of the new engine blocks made out of "space aged
> co-polymers."  Don't get me wrong, advancement, technology, and all that
> stuff is great...I love my computer!  But there is no comparison to a
> polished and ported 455.  So, in conclusion I feel your pain, but we are
> not all lost in a world of funny clothes and peirced body parts (argh!)
> trust me on that one.  So of us do actually care.

	I agree totally with you, Dan. All my parents have owned (basically,
that lasted) were Oldsmobiles. We've had a 76 Cutlass that we ran 'til
it should have been put to sleep. We had an '81 Olds Wagon that left us
with a leaky gas tank in 89. Then we got an '85 wagon that we sold in
'95 for a '95 88 for my mother. Oh yeah, we also had a '75 Vista
Cruiser, ugly brown, ran like a blood hound until she should have been
put to sleep, named Rosita. My mom's also had an 86 Ciera and an 88
Cutlass Supreme. Then, our last Olds purchase was the '73 in Sept '95.
	I wish they would have stayed with all the V-8's . Just think of what
the technology for those 455's could be now! You might be able to get at
least 25 mpg.

- -- 
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From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:48:51 -0500
Subject: The Danbury Mint saga continues...

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I've got some news concerning the production of the '70 4-4-2 W-30 =
Convert. I have been boring you all with.  Last week I received the =
blueprints to the entire car.  Tuesday, I received another package from =
the mint company.  Inside was some photos and a letter.  The letter went =
like this..
"...It was a pleasure working with you and your vehicle.  Inside you =
will find photos of your car, and of a clay prototype model.  Sorry for =
the delay in receiving the pictures and drawings, as a few other =
projects were pushed ahead of the 4-4-2.  Currently, after much debate, =
the 1970 4-4-2 W-30 convertible will be Sebring Yellow with white =
stipes, white interior, and manual transmission.  We liked the color of =
your vehicle, but this color was chosen instead.  We are planning =
another trip your direction, and plan on stopping at your restaurant =
again, and we want another ride in that car!.."
this was a huge disappointment, as we were planning on the model being =
the color of our car.  Since we are to receive the first two numbered =
cars, we are planning on painting them.. :-)
Tracey Cleeton
tcleeton@mcmsys.com
c701412@showme.missouri.edu=20


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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 07:52:23 -0500
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>

NAME              HOTEL             DATES    CAR
====              =====             =====    ===

Beaulieu, Greg    Hampton Inn       8/18-23  none
Hirtle, Don       Hampton           8/18-23  none
Penny, Steve      Hampton           8/18-23  none
Smith, Brian      Hampton           8/18-23  none
Stewart, Sandy    Hampton           8/18-23  none
Chermack, Jim     Mariott East      8/18-25  70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug     Holt, MI          all      none yet
Easton, Jeff      Fairfield Okemos  8/20-22  70 442 black


- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
Beware of the MIBc (Men In Black cars :-)

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:32:18 -0400
Subject: Re: can u answer these questions?

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> I would like to know the following regarding 1971 442s, ONLY 4-4-2!
> 
> 1.)  was the Ram Air hood an option? (with 442)

Answer:  Yes, W-25 option.  I think it was around $257 back then,
standard on W-30.

> 2.)  was the Tic-tock-tac an option or standard?  (with 442)

Answer:  Option, U21.
 
> 3.)  was the radiator alignment sticker added at the factory or added
> by the dealer?

I use to have a bone-stock original 71 back in 1977.  It had the
alignment strip.
 
> 4.)  the SS-I chrome wheels that did NOT have the beauty rings, (the
> actual wheel rim was chrome)...
> 
> was this type of wheel available as an option back in 1971?

Answer: Not 100% sure. The assembly manual lists two part numbers, but
only one specifically for the 442.  The other was for all B-bodies
except station wagon.  The 442 version had trim rings.  The beauty trim
rings were to be placed in the trunk upon delivery to dealer.  But the
PO5 wheels for the A body and B body have different part numbers.  This
is probably because the wheel on A bodies were 14" and the B's were
15".  But I do believe the 15" was all chrome. I've never seen a factory
71 without the trim rings.  The one I had in 71 had them, but I've heard
there were some available.
 
> I would like to change over to these rims, but only if they were a
> offered stock option for that year.
> 
> Thank you to anyone who will correctly answer!  these are questions I
> have asked many people, but can't seem to get a solid answer.

So how are you going to guage "correctly answer" if no one has given you
a solid answer?  Just wondering....the factories did and still do
reserve the right to add, change, or delete options as they wish without
notification.  That's the politically correct way of saying "If we mess
up and put on the wrong part or leave something out, well, we can't be
held accountable."  This happened more often than people realized. 
Sometimes not to a great extent, but my father (Retired GM) told me of a
time where a truck was sent off to a dealer as a Chevrolet with a GMC
grill in it (GMC and Chevy built on the same line).  Who QC'd THAT
one???

I hope this helps your quest.

Mike Rothe

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:12:10 -0500
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

> NAME              HOTEL             DATES    CAR
> ====              =====             =====    ===
> 
> Beaulieu, Greg    Hampton Inn       8/18-23  none
> Hirtle, Don       Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Penny, Steve      Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Smith, Brian      Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Stewart, Sandy    Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Chermack, Jim     Mariott East      8/18-25  70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug     Holt, MI          all      none yet
> Easton, Jeff      Fairfield Okemos  8/20-22  70 442 black
  Hendley, Daren    Ramada            8/20-24  none

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:42:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Valve Angle ????

Can someone post an explanation of exactly what a 3,4,5,6,7 angle valve 
job is and the benefits of each.  Thanks..

Al Varhus


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 10:05:28 CST
Subject: Re[2]: New guy on the small block

The "zebra" affect, now I know what to call it! Although I can only attest to 
off the shelf spray can experience, an easy way to get these is by starting the 
spray on the piece, not off the piece. That first puff blows out a bunch of 
metallic. 

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

I looked at a '70 SX for another person, that was repainted the original
silver, and I mentioned to the guy that I was going to have to paint my SX,
and was considering that very silver. He was a body/paint guy by trade, and
when I said this, asked if I'd painted many cars (no, I haven't). He said
that it's very tough to avoid a "zebra" effect where the metallic in the
silver overlaps with the spraygun passes, and is apparently extra-metallic
at those points.

Now, I'm still considering painting the car silver, but not necessarily for
my first try. I may go with white, which is pretty forgiving in this way, or
maybe even a non-metallic color (maybe OSHA orange?).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:09:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
> 
> From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
> 
> NAME              HOTEL             DATES    CAR
> ====              =====             =====    ===
> 
> Beaulieu, Greg    Hampton Inn       8/18-23  none
> Hirtle, Don       Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Penny, Steve      Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Smith, Brian      Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Stewart, Sandy    Hampton           8/18-23  none
> Chermack, Jim     Mariott East      8/18-25  70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug     Holt, MI          all      none yet
> Easton, Jeff      Fairfield Okemos  8/20-22  70 442 black
> 
> -Jeff
> jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
> 
> 1970  442  4-Speed
> Beware of the MIBc (Men In Black cars :-)

I am jealous!!!!!!!!!!!  I wish I could go :=(

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 10:24:03 +0000
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

Justin Koval wrote:
> 
> I'm 16..there is nothing wrong with us!

>I have a job, but I still can not afford that much money a month.

I'm 33 years old, and I have the same problem :). What I see in some of
the teenagers out there is a lack of appreciation for what they do have.
Mon and Dad buy them a nice car, and they take it out and destroy it.
O'course, that isn't a *new* phenomenon....

JR

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From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 11:43:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> 
> 
> >
> > 
> > >
> > >NAME                   HOTEL           DATES           CAR
> > >====                   =====           =====           ===
> > >
> > >Beaulieu, Greg         Hampton Inn     8/18-23         none
> > >Hirtle, Don            Hampton         8/18-23         none
> > >Penny, Steve           Hampton         8/18-23         none
> > >Smith, Brian           Hampton         8/18-23         none
> > >Stewart, Sandy         Hampton         8/18-23         none
> > >Chermack, Jim          Mariott East    8/18-25         70 SX W-32
> > >McFarlane, Cliff       Holiday West    8/19-23         63 Starfire
> > >Westlake, Steve        Holiday West    8/19-23         63 - 98
> > >Glista, Richard        Holiday West    8/19-23         68 - 442
> > >Wilson, Jim            none            8/19-23         64 Stafire
> > >
> > >
> > >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
> > >
> > >
> > >
> Greg,
> 
> Everyone from my name down is coming from Ontario. There are several
> others that may travel with us in our group but there travel dates are
> not yet confirmed.
> 
> Cliff McFarlane
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Coupe.

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 08:47:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

I'm 33 and still fooling myself that I _am_ part of today's youth. 

cf

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From: Justin Koval <kovalj@dave-world.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 09:52:35 -0700
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

LOL!  Mommy and daddy bought me a 1991 Nissan, and I hate it!
I want a good car..I want a muscle car..I want an OLDMOBILE!    Everyone
at school showsa up with there new cars, and I hate them.
Now nobody get offended, but we have (car manufacturers) have wrecked
the sports car/muscle cars.  The new rustang, in my personal feelings,
is crap compared to the old ones.  I am growing up in the "technological
age" and I tell ya..if I had the choice between a 1997 Mustang
convertible and a 1971 or 1972 Olds Cutlass/442 convertible..I
would..hell..why should I answer..you all know what I am gonna say...

1972 all the way!


Justin

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From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 12:45:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re:Looking for tires 225-75-14

I also did this for my 66 Delta Convert-same tire, same cut white wall 
cut to 1".  They look great.  The dealer said that all manufacturers are 
going to discontinue 225-75-14 tires; not much call for that size 
anymore.  I bought 5 tires so I can rotate them.  The car sits taller 
than with the 215-75's that I had on it, but the speedometer still reads 
higher than it is supposed to.  When speedometer reads 73-74 mph, you're 
actually going 70 mph.  I wonder if the original 825-14 bias ply tire 
wasn't actuall taller still than the 225-75 R14's.  Coker does not have a 
radial w/ the correct 1"ww and the conversion chart someone mentioned in 
an earlier post doesn't deal w/ size-it deals w/ weight/load handling, 
from my understanding.
Tom Adams
Grand Haven, MI

On Wed, 25 Jun 1997, mcfrlan@bconnex.net wrote:

> Larry, 
> I have 62&63 Starfire's and I found a tire made by Cooper called "Cooper
> Trendsetter SE". These tires are 225-75-14 and are radials. I don't
> remember what size the whitewall comes in because I had my whitewalls
> cut to the original 1". I spent a long time looking for radial tires
> this size and this was the only radial this size that I could find. Hope
> this helps you out.
> 
> Cliff McFarlane
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Coupe.
> 
> 

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:48:58 -0300
Subject: Insurance Comapnies

Hi Gang,

Sorry I didn't save the discussion of several months ago regarding insurance
companies and "stated value" policies.  Could y'all post some suggestions
for insuring my classic car.  I have been keeping "full coverage" on this
car since 1989 or so, but my insurance company has no decided to not carry
comprehensive and collision for cars more than 15 years old.

What kind of coverage do y'all carry?  Is "stated value" the right thing to
ask for?  Any suggestions for insurance companies?

Thanks for any information,
Bob

P.S.  I promise to save the thread this time :)
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:12:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Today's Youth

<snip>

> I wish they would have stayed with all the V-8's . Just think of what
> the technology for those 455's could be now! You might be able to get > at least 25 mpg.

As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
remember)

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:57:18 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

What is wrong with todays kids?  Mainly yesterdays kids. Yes, we adults
have given the kids most of what they want (or what we think they want).
They have not been taught to work for what they get. We, the parents, have
made it too easy for them. It wasn't made easy for my kids because we
couldn't make it easy. I am glad. We would have given too much if we had
been able to give it. Because we couldn't, they now know what it takes to
have a car of their own, that they have worked for, that they work on and
appreciate it a lot more than if it had been given to them. Looking back, I
hope that what we did give them was a good sense of values.  From the mail
I have seen on the list our kids are not the only ones raised with this set
of values.  I don't think there is anything wrong with most of today's
youth. The others could be fixed with an olds project (or any old car :) 
), a set of tools and some time from their parents.
Mary 
66 Delta 88 convertable

- ----------
> 
> LOL!  Mommy and daddy bought me a 1991 Nissan, and I hate it!
> I want a good car..I want a muscle car..I want an OLDMOBILE!    Everyone
> at school showsa up with there new cars, 
>.  The new rustang, in my personal feelings,
> is crap compared to the old ones. 
> 1972 all the way!
> 
> 
> 

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:38:15 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Rules

I would like to extend a thumbs up to all the girls, car gals, Olds ladies
or what ever they perfer to be called. There are few females who appreciate
the same things we do and they should be treated like the special people
they are. Anyone bashing them or giving them a hard time should be kicked
without warning. 
Walter 
66 Delta 88 convertable
 

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From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:09:57 +0000
Subject: Re: Insurance Comapnies

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
> 
> Hi Gang,
> 
> Sorry I didn't save the discussion of several months ago regarding insurance
> companies and "stated value" policies.  Could y'all post some suggestions
> for insuring my classic car.  I have been keeping "full coverage" on this
> car since 1989 or so, but my insurance company has no decided to not carry
> comprehensive and collision for cars more than 15 years old.
> 
> What kind of coverage do y'all carry?  Is "stated value" the right thing to
> ask for?  Any suggestions for insurance companies?
> 
> Thanks for any information,
> Bob
> 
> P.S.  I promise to save the thread this time :)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
>  13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
>  Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

I'd like this info, too. It scares me to be driving a $4500 car around
with just liability coverage.

JR

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From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:05:49 +0000
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

Chris Fair wrote:
> 
> I'm 33 and still fooling myself that I _am_ part of today's youth.
> 
> cf

Yeah, I feel that way, too - until I notice the furniture disease (my
chest has fallen into my drawers!). Oh well, at least I can more-or-less
afford my Cutlass. 

JR

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:24:38 -0300
Subject: RE: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

Where Are You In Lansing - List
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NAME                  HOTEL               DATES    CAR
====================  ==================  =======  ==============
Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn         8/18-23  none
Hirtle, Don           Hampton             8/18-23  none
Penny, Steve          Hampton             8/18-23  none
Smith, Brian          Hampton             8/18-23  none
Stewart, Sandy        Hampton             8/18-23  none
Chermack, Jim         Mariott East        8/18-25  70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug         Holt, MI            all      none yet
Nicholson, Brad       Best Western        8/19-24  87 442 (Just Me)
 (w/ Donna & Eli)        Midway           8/19-24  94 LSS (w/wife & kid)


>I'm trying to keep it all together.This way others can add on..
>Jim Chermack
Great idea Jim, let's keep it going, just cut off the prior person's sig so it 
doesn't get to big.

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
(H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442  ('87 442 page coming soon!)
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occhome.html
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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