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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 17 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 723

W-32 decal placement
EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: Race
Re: 72 Olds 442 package
Re: Race
Re: ralley rims
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Race
Re: EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: Car Show This Sunday in Illinois
[none]
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
RE: Race
Re: ralley rims
Re: Race
RE: Race
Lambs Farm Car Show; was: Re:
Oldsmobile Centennial Club Events (Maryland)
Re: EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: EFI 455 for less $$...
EFI 455 for less $$... URL ADDRESS!!
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: An Electrical Question
Re: Race
Subscribe Oldsmobile
Re[2]: Race
Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense
Re: Race
ADMIN: Name Calling
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Engine Heater
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Rocket Origins; was 455
442 Pictures
Re: Oldsmobile Edge????  ANYBODY???
Re: Olds Innovations in the 30's
Date:Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:11:05 -0300
RE:bucket seats
Carbonator Blues!
Re: Race
Found: '70 442 For Sale
Air Cleaner for 1955/56 Olds V8
Overheating 455
Re: Race
Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense
Re: Olds Innovations in the 30's
High HC's
Potential Attendees of IVOC meet; was No Subject
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Ohio Turnpike
Intrigues in stock
Re: engine/head id
Re: engine/head id
Poor Excuses and False Economy
Re: Race

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:49:53 -0300
Subject: W-32 decal placement

This information is in response to Karl Morra's question on W-32 decal
usage. I e-mailed him privately, but am providing this information
publicly for any one else that has a 69 W-30,31 or 32.

According to the 69 Cutlass Assembly Manual:

The W-32 and the 442 share the same "442" air cleaner decal.

The placement of the "Ram-Air Care" decal goes directly on centerline on
the radiator hold down ledge immediately behind the emissions label
(centered between the two raised ribs).

The W-30,31 and 32 fender decals are lined up as follows:

The "W" is centered over the front edge of the side marker lamp housing
(not the hole itself).  It should be noted that the housing be installed
for this.  The space between the bottom of the lettering and the side
marker lamp housing is listed as .60", or about 19/32".  I'm sure if it
were 9/16" or 5/8", no one would really be able to tell.

As a side note, if anyone is ADDING a 68-69 ram-air system to a car that
origianally did not have it, the front lower fender brace is different.
The rubber portion is removed, and the metal bracket is bolted directly
to the fender.  This is for scoop clearances.  Otherwise, they would be
in the way.

Putting this out for everyone to see, to help make your restorations
easier.

Mike Rothe

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:54:34 -0300
Subject: EFI 455 for less $$...

Electromotive Force, Inc. has a distributorless ignition/Sequential MP EFI
system for around $1200.  Sounds a lot cheaper than the $3-4K figure floating
around here.  It's completely programmable, and according to the company works
very well with Olds BBs.  I have their distributorless ignition already
(love it!) and will be upgrading my TBI (Holley) to EMF's EFI system later
on this summer-- Keep you posted! If only my wife would "allow" me to get a
blower too... Sigh, maybe next year.

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 Olds 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 Olds 442 Convertible

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:17:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

> The Lumina has the same motor, but I don't think it has the turbo charger
> that the GP comes with.

I don't think this GP is turbocharged.  For a flying mile, I'd have to
side with the Delta 88.  Chances are, the 3.1L Grand Prix is top
speed limited to ~106 mph like the last Lumina paced on the highway.  When
this happens, drive up beside the poor soul and wave good-bye. <g>

Kevin Wong
Toronto, Ontario

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:09:13 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Olds 442 package

Kyle Tilbe wrote:
>
> Am curious to know what was included in the 72 442 package, options,
> etc.
>
Unless I'm missing the boat, the 72 442 package was the return of the
OPTION (W-29, I think) on a Cutlass.  It was available with the
following items in the package:

Special striping on hood, trunk (deleted on trunk if W-35 spoiler
added), and sides.

442 exterior-only badging. (Cutlass plate was on glovebox)

FE-2 Suspension package, with rear sway bar and boxed lower control
arms.

Special grill (different paint job and chrome trim than on 71, but
essentially the same style)

350 cu.in. engine, 2-bbl, single exhaust, 3-speed manual; the 455 was
optional (with the 455, you got the cutout bumper and dual exhausts and
chrome tips)

But, with the W-30 package, in addition to 442 equipment, you got the
rip-roaring 270 hp 455 with OAI, sport mirrors, better exhaust, heavier
duty radiator, special paint stripes, and W-30 badging, and I think a
3.23 rear gear and fatter tires.  Plus an "X" code in the VIN for W-30
status

AND OF COURSE, WE CANNOT FORGET, THE COOLEST 72 PACKAGE....THE HURST (on
the Supreme only)

Now, with all that said, the 442 could be ordered with about any option
as a regular Cutlass, i.e. A/C, posi, power everything, floor mats,
tilt, cruise, door edge guards, SuperStock wheels, etc., since it WAS a
Cutlass to begin with.

Hopefully, this helps your plight.
Mike Rothe

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:21:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

My dad once told me that there was no v6 that could
ever take a v8 in a race. (unless someone had one of those
super modified cars)
How much truth is there to that?


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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:20:12 -0300
Subject: Re: ralley rims

Yeah, speaking of these rims, can anybody tell me what kind they are?
I've asked numerous people, but nobody can give me a straight answer!
"Yeah, they're rallye rims" "Stock mags". Duh! But what kind? SSI? SSII?
SSIII (most likeley not)? Somebody please reply! Thanx in advance.

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:29:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Listen to this ad I found in today's paper:
>
> Olds '90 Calais 442, 5 spd.,
> Quad 4, 120k mi., good cond.
>
> 442 huh? Yeah right. Not traditionaly. Sacrilegious piece of junk if you
> ask me! Most likley a dual exhaust AT the muffler.
>
MATT!

Look out!  You are going to tick off the Quad442 owners out there.
While it is true that the newer Quad442 is NOT as noteworthy to most as
the old-iron, keep in mind it is an OLDS, and the fact that the Olds
Performance Engineering/Marketing had enough sense to grab at straws at
the end does make it somewhat unique.

Traditional muscle-car in the sense all of us muscle-era veterans have
known, it is not.  Putting in perspective, I remember my dad said once
that the lead-sleds of the 50's were the real hot-rods, not the
new-fangled 60's crap!  He was from that era, I was not.  But I don't
denounce anyone's Olds choice.  Look at it this way, if people like
those cars, that means they won't be scarfing up all the 68-72 442's I
so dearly love.  The newer cars may be quicker than the old ones, but
there is a mystique about the older muscle cars with the BIG engines.
I do believe I can't see anyone getting charged up looking at, say, a
1982 Cam*ro Pace Car and its big ol' 305 ten years from now.  But a 72
H/O convertible.....ooohhh!

If I felt differently, I can say the same thing about Vista Cruisers,
Deltas, 98's, Toro's, Omegas, Achievas, Auroras.....I personally don't
care for any of these.  Nice cars, don't get me wrong. Personally, I
wouldn't go outta my way to get one.  But that's why they build more
than one type of Olds.

So let's not trash on Oldsmobiles, regardless of the model.  As long as
Ch*vy, M*par, and F*rd are around, we got plenty of bashing material...

my 2 cents,
Mike Rothe

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:35:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Jonathan Look wrote:
>
>         My dad once told me that there was no v6 that could
> ever take a v8 in a race. (unless someone had one of those
> super modified cars)
>         How much truth is there to that?

Try say, a S-10 vortech V-6 (190 horsepower), vs. early 80's 260 V-8 (I
think about 6 horsepower [was it made by briggs and stratton?]).

Seriously,
If traction was just right.....I would put my money on the V-6 in this
matchup.

Mike

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From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:45:23 -0300
Subject: Re: EFI 455 for less $$...

smardale@airmail.net wrote:
>
> Electromotive Force, Inc. has a distributorless ignition/Sequential MP EFI
> system for around $1200.  Sounds a lot cheaper than the $3-4K figure
floating > around here.  It's completely programmable, and according to the
company works > very well with Olds BBs.  I have their distributorless
ignition already > (love it!) and will be upgrading my TBI (Holley) to EMF's
EFI system later > on this summer-- Keep you posted! If only my wife would
"allow" me to get a > blower too... Sigh, maybe next year. > > Scott
Martindale > smardale@airmail.net > 1965 Olds 442 Holiday Coupe > 1965 Olds
442 Convertible


Details! Details! Details!  What manifold does it use?  How's the
distributorless ignition work?  Do they have a catalog?

- -greg

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:46:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Car Show This Sunday in Illinois

Thanks jeff, I do appreciate it...

Mark

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:56:02 -0300
Subject: [none]

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 20:28:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Car Show This Sunday in Illinois

In a message dated 97-06-16 12:52:27 EDT, you write:

>>  The IVOC members will be meeting before the show between
>>  8:30-9:30am at the Lake Forest Oasis on I-94.  We will
>>  then caravan together to the show so that all the Olds
>>  can park together.

>Uh oh. Libertyville. Looks like I can not avoid going to this one. It is
>close enough for me to make it there under my own power! I am not certain
>that I will know which oasis is the Lake Forest one. Hmmm. I guess I will
>just drive up to the parking lot of each and stop when I see lots of
>horsepower!

>  Karl Aune

The Lake Forest Oasis is just north of the ILL Rt.60 exit.  Lambs Farm
is right at the ILL Rt. 176 exit, just a few miles north of the Oasis.
So I guess it goes without saying that you need to be heading North to
meet us on the correct side of the Oasis. :-)

Anybody else from the Chicago area comming? Chris, Dave?

  -Jeff
  jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

  1970 442  4-Speed

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:42:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

On 17 Jun 97 at 9:51, Matt Cremean wrote:

> Listen to this ad I found in today's paper:
> Olds '90 Calais 442, 5 spd.,
> Quad 4, 120k mi., good cond.
>
> 442 huh? Yeah right. Not traditionaly. Sacrilegious piece of junk if
> you ask me! Most likley a dual exhaust AT the muffler.

O.K.  So what is the sacrilege?  Lets see, the 442 came out as an
Olds competetition car - the 90-91 Quad442 has won many IMSA, and SCCA
championships.  0-60 in about 7.6 seconds (stock), with a top speed
of 135mph.  442s of the late 70's/mid 80's aren't any better in stock
form....

I have over 130k miles on my '91 with very few repairs (and regular
maintenance).  The Quad442s may not be your gas guzzling v8 (with the
wonderful bassy note from the exhaust), but at least it was a good
performing vehicle.  Remember in the early '90's, the "pony cars"
were not that impressive (0-60 in about 7 sec.).

And yes, the exhaust is a two-pipe from the muffler setup - less
restrictive than the GM Dual Exhaust (in 1, out the back to the other
muffler setup)...  If memory serves me right, the Quad4 H.O. had the
honor of largest HP output per cid of a production engine for a
couple years.

BTW, is this an attack on Olds FWD cars?  Or just the 4 cyl ones?

Mike
'91 W-40 442
'93 W-41 SCX

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:27:49 -0300
Subject: RE: Race

Jon- since the GP has an artificial speed limiter because of the non speed
rated tires of about 112 mph and the 88 w/ all it hp/torque also has a built
in speed limiter called aerodynamics of a brick and low, low rear gearing, its
top speed will be about 110-115 I figure.
I call it a win for the GP due to the same top end but its ability to get
there  first.




=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:13:24 -0300
Subject: Re: ralley rims

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Yeah, speaking of these rims, can anybody tell me what kind they are?
> I've asked numerous people, but nobody can give me a straight answer!
> "Yeah, they're rallye rims" "Stock mags". Duh! But what kind? SSI? SSII?
> SSIII (most likeley not)? Somebody please reply! Thanx in advance.
>
>
If you have your build sheet, it will have a wheel code listed as either
a P05 (SSI, skinny chrome spoked like the Ch*velle SS) or N66 (SSII,
Oldsmobile design only, with chrome bezels around the inner holes,
except for 68, and mid-80's all-chrome ones).  The SSIII was a SSII that
was painted matching lower body color.  The SSII was painted a
argent/gray.  The FAQ at www.442.com can give you more specific
information.

Mike

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:30:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

>From what the owner has told me (and I doubt he'd make it up)

His GP can do about 130.

Then of course the motor is about to explode.


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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:33:17 -0300
Subject: RE: Race

One day I'm going to race the guy..but he won't do it until next year
due to a traffic violation he was convicted of...he wants
his record to be clean.


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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:38:32 -0300
Subject: Lambs Farm Car Show; was: Re:

I will try to stop by early afternoon Sunday. The whole family is getting
together in Wisconsin, I've got a 6pm softball game and a 90 minute ride
from Libertyville, so I'm probable at best. Sorry. Last Saturday my
schedule was pretty packed, and the water, weather, and skiing were so nice
that I skipped the Homecoming. Sorry!

Jeff - I forgot the paper again, tomorrow for sure.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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The Lake Forest Oasis is just north of the ILL Rt.60 exit.  Lambs Farm
is right at the ILL Rt. 176 exit, just a few miles north of the Oasis.
So I guess it goes without saying that you need to be heading North to
meet us on the correct side of the Oasis. :-)

Anybody else from the Chicago area comming? Chris, Dave?

  -Jeff
  jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

  1970 442  4-Speed

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:27:05 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile Centennial Club Events (Maryland)

Second Tuesday of Each Month - OCC Monthly Meeting
Location: ERNIE SWANSON OLDSMOBILE
410 N. CRAIN HIGHWAY, GLEN BURNIE, MD 21061-3009
Phone: (410) 768-8800 Fax: (410) 768-1948

All we ask is that you NOT park in front of the dealership as they will be
open. Please park to the right of the showroom, down in front of the
service bays, there is plenty of room.  We have a meeting room in the back
and to the left in the showroom building.  Someone will be in the showroom
to show you where the meeting is. We shouldn't run past 8:30PM. If you know
of anyone else who might be interested, and not on the newsgroup, please
pass the word along and or bring them with ya.  There are 25+ current
members in the club.  There is a wide variety of Oldsmobiles represented,
add yours to the list.  We will be finalizing items for the upcoming show,
stuffing goodie bags, discuss other local events, Sept. Cruise Nite events
planning and whatever else comes up.  Anyone who joins this year will be
considered a Charter Member.  Anyone interested in joining, or know of
someone who might be interested, drop me some e-mail.  I have directions to
the meeting.  If you plan on coming, please e-mail me so we have a head
count for refreshments.  There will be a deli tray for anyone who misses
dinner at their house.

==========================================================================
Sunday July 13, 1997
Oldsmobile Centennial Club 1st Annual Show @ Ernie Swanson Oldsmobile, 410
North Crain Highway, Glen Burnie, MD.  Registration starts @ 10am, show
from 11am-3pm. All Oldsmobiles Welcome. $5 registration includes dash
plaque and goodie bag to first 50 Oldsmobiles through the gate. Please
pre-reg by July 9.  Non-judging show, but there will be special awards
given for dealer's & people's choice.  50/50 drawing and door prizes. Door
prize contributors so far include: K&N Engineering, WD-40, Auto Custom
Carpets and Apple Hydraulics.
Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 965-3825, e-mail: brad442@erols.com.  Web
site: www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html (Registration form available at
the web site.  Just print it and send it in).

=========================================================================
Saturday September 13, 1997
1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE. Hosted by the Oldsmobile
Centennial Club (Future OCA Chapter). At The Big M Restaurant/Drive-In
Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between Bel Air & Aberdeen,
MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and condition Oldsmobiles welcome,
daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free goodie bag to first 50
Oldsmobile through the gate. Open to the public. Other vehicles welcome to
cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 drawing.
Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381, e-mail: brad442@erols.com or The Big
M @ (410) 734-4370.   Club Web Link at
http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html

==========================================================================
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| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov     (H) brad442@erols.com Personal Web Page -
http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:55:23 -0300
Subject: Re: EFI 455 for less $$...

At 01:54 PM 6/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
>... and will be upgrading my TBI (Holley) to EMF's EFI system later
>on this summer...
>
>Scott Martindale

Hi Scott,

As if you are not going to get enough questions on the MP EFI setup, I
would like to know what you think of the Holley TBI. I am rebuilding a 400
for my truck (so I can haul Olds parts) and am contemplating the TBI
instead of a carb. The main question: is it worth the extra $$ over a new
carb?

TIA
Ray
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 Conv.

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:12:03 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Mike Coccagna wrote:
>
>
> BTW, is this an attack on Olds FWD cars?  Or just the 4 cyl ones?

No, it's just that I think Olds made a name for it's 442 when it had an
8 cyl, true 4 on the floor, 4 bbls carb, and true dualie. IN MY OPINION,
they just sort of disgraced the name. But, that is MY OPINION. I don't
want any flames about how dumb I am because I'm not willing to accept
change or difference. Thanx.

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:11:34 -0300
Subject: Re: EFI 455 for less $$...

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> At 01:54 PM 6/17/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >... and will be upgrading my TBI (Holley) to EMF's EFI system later
> >on this summer...
> >
> >Scott Martindale
>
> Hi Scott,
>
> As if you are not going to get enough questions on the MP EFI setup, I
> would like to know what you think of the Holley TBI. I am rebuilding a 400
> for my truck (so I can haul Olds parts) and am contemplating the TBI
> instead of a carb. The main question: is it worth the extra $$ over a new
> carb?
>
> TIA
> Ray
> 70 Cutlass Conv.
> 70 442 Conv.

Just want to inject (ha-ha) my 2 cents worth on this one. We had a '71
Pontiac GTO with a Pontiac 455 in it that we tried fuel injection on
(the Holley TBI setup). It provided great drivability and very
respectable gas milage for what it was, but with out the accelerator
pump of the carb, the car REALLY lacked the hard punch that it had with
a carburetor. The thing just wasn't getting enough gas when you punched
it. Keep this in mind when considering going to TBI. I don't discourage
anyone from making this swap, but if performance is an important factor,
any Cutlass with a Holley 650 dbl pumper is going to eat you alive off
of the line.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass



"You see, throughout history there have been Jews, Catholics, and
Baptists. But my father, he was an Oldsmobile man."

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:39:21 -0300
Subject: EFI 455 for less $$... URL ADDRESS!!

Ok, point your net navigator towards << http://www.electromotive-inc.com >>

The EFI system I was referring to in my previous message is the TEC-II.
FYI, the recommended intake manifold for this setup is the Offenhauser
Dual-Plane 360 degree.

Cool stuff! (IMHO) :)

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

BTW, for those of you who asked; The Holley ProJection system works just
fine-- Much crisper throttle response than the Holley 650 DP it
(coincidently) replaced, and a 15% improvement in fuel economy to boot.
Just think of the TBI system as a highly configurable, programmable carb.
No more messy floats or jet trial & error.

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:52:27 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

At 02:29 PM 6/17/97 -0300, MROTHE wrote:
.  The newer cars may be quicker than the old ones, but
>there is a mystique about the older muscle cars with the BIG engines.
>I do believe I can't see anyone getting charged up looking at, say, a
>1982 Cam*ro Pace Car and its big ol' 305 ten years from now.

....and it even has 165 hp good for high 16's in the 1/4 stock....ugh!

>If I felt differently, I can say the same thing about Vista Cruisers,
>Deltas, 98's, Toro's, Omegas, Achievas, Auroras.....I personally don't
>care for any of these.  Nice cars, don't get me wrong. Personally, I
>wouldn't go outta my way to get one.  But that's why they build more
>than one type of Olds.

Same here, if it isn't a Cutlass I am really not interested.
>
>So let's not trash on Oldsmobiles, regardless of the model.

Ah, come on what about the Firenza GT ;-) ;-) ;-)

  As long as
>Ch*vy, M*par, and F*rd are around, we got plenty of bashing material...

I agree. Don't forget P*ntiac and Bui*k also....hehe
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (Olds442@Rocketship.com)
93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:12:19 -0300
Subject: Re: An Electrical Question

>Hey folks ...
>
>I am trying to get a car (74 Ninety-Eight) running with a battery that is
>pretty low on power.  Often the engine will crank a bit, not start and the
>whole electrical system stops functioning as if a breaker were blown.
>After a few minutes, power comes back and though it is reluctant to crank
>(solenoid clicks, but starter doesn't crank), the lights, radio and other
>electricals work.  Then if I try cranking again it "blows" again, leaving
>me with no power for several minutes.  So ...
>
>-is this a fusible link problem?  If so, is it the one near the starter, or
>is there also one on the firewall?
>-or am I overloading something in the starter which starts working again
>after it has cooled down a bit?
>
>Any suggestions/advice greatly appreciated ...
>
>-powerless in T.O.
>
>Graham Stewart
>Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

I had similar problems. I bought an Optima 800 amp battery. I replaced the
battery cables with 2 gauge cables. I did not need the new starter or heat
shield... ('65 98 425 cu.in.)

Your experiences may vary...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Adam <awerthmi@freenet.npiec.on.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:26:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Kevin Wong wrote:

> > The Lumina has the same motor, but I don't think it has the turbo charger
> > that the GP comes with.
>
> I don't think this GP is turbocharged.  For a flying mile, I'd have to
> side with the Delta 88.  Chances are, the 3.1L Grand Prix is top
> speed limited to ~106 mph like the last Lumina paced on the highway.  When
> this happens, drive up beside the poor soul and wave good-bye. <g>
>
> Kevin Wong
> Toronto, Ontario
>
>

I'm pretty sure that NO grand prix's are turbocharged.  Pontiace makes the
Grand Prix GTP, which is supercharged.  The base models and the se's,
gt's, etc aren't supercharged or turbocharged.

adam


------------------------------

From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:59:27 -0300
Subject: Subscribe Oldsmobile



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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:08:19 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Race

I'm pretty sure that NO grand prix's are turbocharged.  Pontiace makes the
Grand Prix GTP, which is supercharged.  The base models and the se's,
gt's, etc aren't supercharged or turbocharged.

adam

     For a couple of years in the late 80s/early 90s, there _was_ a
     turbocharged GP available.  To be honest, I couldn't tell you if it
     was a GP, GTP, SE, or XYZ, but they were actually built for Pontiac by
     an outside tuning house (McClaren perhaps?) and sold as the
     top-of-the-line GP.  This car can be identified by obviously added-on
     louvers on the sides of the hood and an aero package which looks a lot
     like the one on the current (well, 96 model) cars.  The turbo motor
     was replaced by the DOHC 3.4 liter motor when it became available.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:59:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense

I seem to have started a flame war.

Sorry, In a bad mood earlier I guess.  When I get started about GM using
Jap parts in their cars, the fact that American cars are indistinguishabl=
e
from their Jap couterparts, emissions controls and other restrictive
legislation aimed at thwarting the efforts of the muscle car enthusiast, =
I
get pissed off and sometimes don't know when to shut up.

I often have a recurring nightmare in which the centralized government of
the "New World Order" bans and confiscates all cars older than 10 years.=20
(Just kidding).

- ----------
> From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 17. j=FBnijs 11:19
>=20
>=20
> Jon Gulbis laments:
>=20
> > Why would you even try to make a decent car out of a new Jap Cutlass?
>=20
> Yeah, that's the spirit!  Let's give up and not even try, eh? :) :)
>=20
> Y'know, the same thing could've been said of the first generation
Cutlass,
> way back in.. what was it? '61, '62?  It was a tiny little car, GM's
> attempt (along with the Tempest, Corvair, and Skylark) to address a
growing
> market for compact cars, in which the VW bug (as well as the Rambler)
> were in the lead.  These cars had a lot of problems, and weren't
considered
> decent cars at their *initial* introduction.  They certainly didn't
corner
> the market art the time.

I never said that I have anything against compact cars.

> What if it were decided not to "even try to make a decent car out of th=
e
> Cutlass", as you put it, back then, hmmmm?
>=20
> > The last true American car was built when the last Cutlass Supreme
Classic
> > rolled off the line in 1988.
>=20
> And on what do you base this?  What's your definition of a 'true'
> American car?  RWD with a V8? =20

American=3DNO JAP PARTS
American=3DDifferent than Japanese in styling.
American=3DWhile offering compacts, sedans and luxury models according to
today's standards for the broader market, also not forgetting their proud
performance heritage by offering models that suit the enthusiast; no
unibody, all steel body shell, rear wheel drive, 8 cylinders, etc.

>1988 wasn't even the last year for that
> for Oldsmobile.  Plus, ever hear of the Northstar engine?  IMHO it's a
World
> class design, and it's ALL American.  So what if the Aurora and Caddy's
that
> use it a FWD.  The Toro is as all American as the come, and guess what?
:)

While the front wheel drive Cutlass was introduced in 1988, the rear whee=
l
drive was so popular that they continued in during that year with the
designation Cutlass Supreme Classic.
=20
> Yeah, there's a lot I don't like about what Oldsmobile -- and the rest
> of GM for that matter -- currently offers, but there are a few glimmers
> of hope, here and there.  Things could still turn around.  Maybe
> a 2 door Aurora will come out.  Maybe Olds'll do their own take on the
> F-Body, call it the 442...
>=20
> Or, we can just fergit it, roll over and give up on America :)

If I had given up, I wouldn't feel the way I do about the subject.  That'=
s
why I say the things that I do (Sometimes in haste).

> Tim (Feeling Awfully Red, White and Bluish Today) Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>=20

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:03:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Sorry, mixed up the Grand Prix with the Grand Am.  Stupid mistake

- ----------
> From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Race
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 17. j=FBnijs 12:17
>=20
> > The Lumina has the same motor, but I don't think it has the turbo
charger
> > that the GP comes with.
>=20
> I don't think this GP is turbocharged.  For a flying mile, I'd have to
> side with the Delta 88.  Chances are, the 3.1L Grand Prix is top
> speed limited to ~106 mph like the last Lumina paced on the highway.=20
When
> this happens, drive up beside the poor soul and wave good-bye. <g>
>=20
> Kevin Wong
> Toronto, Ontario
>=20
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Founder and Chairman:

The Association Against the Japanization of the American=20
Automotive Industry

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at:=20
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:38:04 -0300
Subject: ADMIN: Name Calling

Folks,

Let's try to remember the Second World War ended 50 years ago.
I think it's time we all made a wee-bit better attempt at the
spelling of the word "Japanese".

And no, I don't like the Olds-rice-burners either.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:37:51 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

In a message dated 97-06-17 14:55:06 EDT, you write:

<< 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme >>
OK, tell me the 73 was a performance car.  "NOT".  In the quarter mile the
Quad 442 would have a better e.t. and mph than the 73 442 or H/O with the
455.

The 73-77 body style of cars were under powered and had weight 2 tons.  Now
my
72 442 W-30 that weights 3600 lbs and has a 455 is a performer.  In fact any
442's frp, 65 to 72 are performers.  The funny thing is that the Quad 442
could outrun 83-84H/O's and 85-87 442's also.  Think about it.  180 hp in a
2700lbs car with a 5spd with a 3:64 gear ratio.

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30
12.47's @ 108.23MPH in the 1/4th mile

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:35:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Engine Heater

This may be a little out of season for some..and useless below the M&D
Line...but...I'm filing away info on the olds and came cross the bill &
box end for an engine heater I installed in the 5.7 diesel, two winters
ago when my OEM-GM block heater failed.
I had a heck of a time getting the OEM heater, which fits into the
engine front passenger side in lieu of the freeze out plug . In the
interim I purchased a "Four Seasons" brand engine heater ª71301 ~$26.50
US. This is for a 1-1/2" (pretty sure 1-1/2") lower radiator hose. There
are other size heaters in this P/N family for other size hoses.
Easy installation: drain system-cut lower hose-cut spring-insert
heater-two worm screw clamps-route 110 volt cord. Keep plug in lunch bag
behind grille.
This is a nice, cast aluminum, full flow heater. Think the parts book
said 600 watts. Even though I replaced the OEM heater I keep using the
4-Seasons I installed for back up. Results with either heater seem the
same.
I have used various heaters oer the past 20yrs in various gasoline
engines-this is the best type and value I found so far.
Olds indicates that the heater was spec'ed to thin the oil so the diesel
engine could spin fast enough to start. (diesel trivia-Olds manual says
5.7 needs to spin 150 RPM to start when cold..but..needs to spin 250 RPM
to start when hot) I have always felt the warmed up block produced less
wear on the engine. I use a simple clock timer and usually 1/2 hour @
25-32F is good and 1 Hr below 25 F heats engine plenty.
Even though engine is warm, still have to baby the car to let everything
else warm up-Xmission/rear end & vinyl seats, etc.
I once read a story about Maine & it said that engine heaters and dip
stick heaters are standard fare up there. If so, you guys up north-er
may have something better in use! If so, comments welcomed.
Kevin O'Brien 78-98

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 19:58:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Mike Coccagna wrote:
>
> On 17 Jun 97 at 9:51, Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> > Listen to this ad I found in today's paper:
> > Olds '90 Calais 442, 5 spd.,
> > Quad 4, 120k mi., good cond.
> >
> > 442 huh? Yeah right. Not traditionaly. Sacrilegious piece of junk if
> > you ask me! Most likley a dual exhaust AT the muffler.
>
> O.K.  So what is the sacrilege?  Lets see, the 442 came out as an
> Olds competetition car - the 90-91 Quad442 has won many IMSA, and SCCA
> championships.  0-60 in about 7.6 seconds (stock), with a top speed
> of 135mph.  442s of the late 70's/mid 80's aren't any better in stock
> form....

<snip>

> Mike
> '91 W-40 442
> '93 W-41 SCX

I knew that you'd get him Mike!
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:32:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket Origins; was 455

- ----------
> From: Robert Barry <RBarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rocket Origins; was 455
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 12:37 AM
>
> At 09:33 PM 6/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >The story as I know it. In 1948 Oldsmobile introduced the first overhead
> >valve V-8.
>
> Well, the first mass-produced, postwar overhead-valve V-8 (along with
> Cadillac). Was Olds' earlier V-8 (and the Viking's) a flathead, or was it
an
> OHV unit?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
Chevy had a ohv V8 for a year or two back in the thirtys. Does anyone know
why they didnt stick with it?
Walter

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From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 20:28:58 -0300
Subject: 442 Pictures

Send any and all. rcolombo@sonic.com



Thanks
 71 442

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:09:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Edge????  ANYBODY???

Charley Buehner wrote:

> The guy in Sidney said the Edge package had a broad chrome panel over the
> C-pillars and across the roof.  Actually it's more of a brushed aluminum,
> fromt the ones I'd seen.  This was on the late 70's and 1980 version, I
> guess.  I have no idea if/when others were made.

I remember seeing a few of these in my area.  They had that brushed
aluminum "targa" band with a molding aroung the thing.  I don't recall
any of them having any kind of a name though.  I think this was one of
those zone office advertising gimmicks again.  Your zone must have given
then a name.

There's an '80 that runs around here with a factory simulated
convertible roof cap, too.  The owners keep it in real nice shape.  I
don't think there's many of these around.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:13:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Innovations in the 30's

Charley Buehner wrote:

> > *vaccuum* controlled radio.

> WOW!  If I could find one of ~those~ I could get rid of my remote control!
:) > I've heard of other manufacturers trying that recently, too.  Except
using > electronic technology.

I've got this on the '96 Monte Carlo.  It's called Speed Compensated
Volume Control.  Works pretty good.  Don't think I'd have paid extra
money for it though.  I don't have any trouble with mine, but we had a
lemon law buyback on a '95 because the lady's engine would stall
everytime she adjusted the volume on the radio!

Did you all know that Olds had a vacuum operated power radio antenna in
1941?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Kevin Cheek <cheek@freegate.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:11:05 -0300
Subject: Date:Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:11:05 -0300

Hi folks,

Interested in leads for purchasing a Oldsmobile Roadster, 1930.  I live in the
San Francisco Bay Area.

Many thanks
Kevin Cheek
w: 408.524.4827

------------------------------

From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:13:29 -0300
Subject: RE:bucket seats

Tim Wrote:

Hello
I would like to put buckets in my 81 Cutlass Supreme. I am assuming that
I can pull these out of the following Grand Prix, Monte Carlo, Regal,
Grand National. Did I miss any? Am I right or wrong? There should be no
problems putting in a centre console either right?
And finally I picked up a guage package out of an 85 or 86 (don't
remember) Cutlass Supreme for mine. Any problems I might need to look
for when installing it.
as always TIA
Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme
(under construction)

Did you miss any on that list??  How about another Cutlass??!!  I believe that
the swap you want is pretty staight forward, but I don't know exactly because
my '85 Cutlass came with buckets and a console. I think that if you take all
the mounting brackets and tracks from the donor car you won't have a problem
and the different "brands" are pretty close to Olds seats. I think Charley
Buehner has mix and matched seats in his Cutlass, perhaps he can help you
more.

I did the guage swap in my Cutlass back in December and it is basically a
straight forward swap.  The most difficult part is rearranging the wires in
the harness.  I can mail you a copy of Tom Millard's directions on how to do
that if you like.  e-mail me your snail mail address if you want them.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
102724.635@compuserve.com

------------------------------

From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:22:47 -0300
Subject: Carbonator Blues!

Well, I took my car to the garage again today to get the kit
performance-adjusted.  They played with it and never drove it, it still
don't work.
It's a rebuilt carb on a '75 455 in a 75 cutlass.  It sounds good and
spins on gravel OK, but put it on pavement and it's terrible, won't spin
it's bald little tires (used to be able to!)  Can I give them any hints,
there a talented garage but no-one knows everything, and I think I'm
getting a little bit of the 'It's not a musclecar, don't try to make it
go fast' attitude common among people.

The four-barrels open and flutter slightly on idle, and it starts/idles
good, but no acceleration under torque!  A fast reply, with my address as
a CC would be appreciated, so I can drop it off tomorrow!

Thanx.....  (BTW, it's a stock motor/carb with dual exhaust)

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
..............................................................

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:24:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Jonathan Look wrote:

>
>
> 400 lbs? i always thought it was around 6K.
My '76 98 with all my standard trunk stuff was 6000+ lbs
(Of course, with that big a trunk, you keep a lot of stuff).

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
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Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
..............................................................

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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:33:04 -0300
Subject: Found: '70 442 For Sale

Hi All,
          Let me begin by saying that I haven't seen the car.  It was
referred to me by a  preacher friend of mine who's a Rust...uh, Mustang
enthusiast.  (Other than that, he's a good guy :-)  Car belongs to his
father-in-law's business partner.  ("I know a guy who knows a guy...")  Let
me also give the standard disclaimer that I don't stand to profit from the
sale of this vehicle.  I just hate to see a 442 go to waste.

It's a 1970 442 Holiday Coupe, 455, Ram Air hood, buckets, automatic trans
with a console shifter.  It has "around" 100,000 miles on it, white with
black hood stripes.  (Owner says it was originally maroon with white hood
stripes, my favorite color combo...)  Body is straight, no dings, I don't
know about any rust.  14" SSI wheels.  (He described them as looking like a
F*rd Magnum 500 wheel, "with 5 skinny spokes".  Yep, those are SSI's...)
One owner car, numbers matching, everything's supposedly there for a resto.
To quote the owner over the phone, "If it was a Mustang, I'd start restoring
it today."  (Poor, misguided soul :-)  It's been sitting for approximately a
year, engine smokes, and tranny slips.  (Ok, so it probably needs an engine
and trans rebuild.)  Also needs a headliner and "some interior work".  He's
asking $1,800.  It's located at Classic Mustang in Memphis, TN.  (NE Shelby
County.)  The phone number is:  1-888-302-PONY (7669) Ask for Mike.

If I had the time, patience, and mechanical know-how, I'd probably borrow a
trailer and make the three hour drive up to Memphis Wednesday and rescue
this one.  Also, since I have a one car shop, and my '87 has no intention of
going anywhere, I've got no place to put another car.  If anyone is
interested and goes to take a look at this one, let me know.  I hate to
think of a potential classic not being appreciated by a bunch of F*rd
people.  (No flames intended for any list members who own 'Stangs...)  Sorry
for the bandwith, but I thought maybe some of you "Rocket Scientists" might
be up to the challenge of saving this beast.  Later.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com

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From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:44:26 -0300
Subject: Air Cleaner for 1955/56 Olds V8

I recently met a chap who needs an air cleaner for a 1955 or 56 Olds V8.
I can't remember which year.  Perhaps they are the same.  He is located
in the Niagara Falls area.  If any of you Olds fans have one to part
with let me know how much and your phone number. I will pass it on to
him.  Wayne Schwartz (69 442 rag top)

------------------------------

From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:38:02 -0300
Subject: Overheating 455

Hi All,
        A friend of mine recently had a blown 455 olds motor built for his 65
442. It is a hampton 6-71 running 8 to 1 compression and mild cam. He is
having trouble with this engine overheating in a very shot time (6-8 miles).
It has a new waterpump and I asked him to recheck it to make sure the
impeller is not freewheeling at times. He had a new radiator made for it I
believe it is a 5 core (didn't know they made them that big) got a 160 degree
stat in it. I live about 70 miles from him so haven't looked at the car my
self. Do blown cars make that much extra heat?. What else could he check
before he puts the car on a trailor and heads to the guy who built the motor
(about an 8 hour drive). Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:38:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Chances are, the 3.1L Grand Prix is top
> speed limited to ~106 mph like the last Lumina paced on the highway.  When
> this happens, drive up beside the poor soul and wave good-bye. <g>
>
> Kevin Wong
> Toronto, Ontario

That's interesting. I have a 3.1 in my '92 Cutlass and I had it up to an
honest 115 mph when the engine limited itself. I wonder why the l*mina
is 10 mph slower?

'70 4-4-2
'70 W-30
And coming soon (maybe)

'67 4-4-2 race car
'67 4-4-2 4 speed

Danny

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 17:45:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense

Jon wrote:

> While the front wheel drive Cutlass was introduced in 1988, the rear wheel
> drive was so popular that they continued in during that year with the
> designation Cutlass Supreme Classic.

This isn't entirely correct.  I worked for Olds dealers since '87.  The
FWD Cutlass Supreme wasn't announced until after the 1st of January.
Olds needed to use up all the extra parts they had laying around and
needed something to fill the gap until the FWD Supreme arrived, so they
produced the Classic up until the end of '87, then production was
halted.  The last of these RWD Supreme coupes were actually pretty slow
sellers ('87 & '88), at least in this area of the country, and I
remember a special rebate program to try to clear out the last of them
before the FWD Supremes landed.  We couldn't sell '87 sedans at a loss
and still had two leftovers in '89!  Our dealership only sold 3 Classics
that I can remember and I'm guessing about 5 '87 coupes.

Olds did a very similar thing with the '97 Supreme to fill the gap until
the Intrigue arrived and they needed to use up their parts inventory.  I
believe Supreme production was halted a few months ago.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:59:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Innovations in the 30's

>Did you all know that Olds had a vacuum operated power radio antenna in
>1941?

Did it retract when climbing hills or accelerating?  :)

(You won't get that if you've never rode in an old beater with vaccum
windshield wipers.)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: XMJM51A@prodigy.com (MR THOMAS L COOMES)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:46:23 -0300
Subject: High HC's

remove me from this list

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:53:45 -0300
Subject: Potential Attendees of IVOC meet; was No Subject

In a message dated 97-06-17 14:19:20 EDT, you write:

>
>  Anybody else from the Chicago area comming? Chris, Dave?
>
>    -Jeff
>    jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
>    1970 442  4-Speed
>

Well, strictly speaking, Chris lives substantially north of the Greater
Chicago Area and may also have family obligations.

But I'll do my worst to encourage his attendance!

Dave may well be exhausted from consecutive Oldsmobile weekends. Or should
that read "energized"? But I expect he will appear.

Will there be anything minutely reminiscent of a swap meet there? At least
someone selling Oldsmobile Infernal logo key fobs?

[BTW I normally say "chain" but as far as chicken scratch goes, "fob" seems
appropriate]

And perhaps I can convince/convert some non-Oldsmobilers ...
(see also documentation on T.H.O.R.*!)


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

 * = "The Holy Order of Rocketeers"



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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:49:49 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Mike Coccagna wrote:
> >
> >
> > BTW, is this an attack on Olds FWD cars?  Or just the 4 cyl ones?
>
> No, it's just that I think Olds made a name for it's 442 when it had an
> 8 cyl, true 4 on the floor, 4 bbls carb, and true dualie. IN MY OPINION,
> they just sort of disgraced the name. But, that is MY OPINION. I don't
> want any flames about how dumb I am because I'm not willing to accept
> change or difference. Thanx.

So hang on here, are you saying my '70 4-4-2 with a turbo 400 is a
disgrace? Now my '70 W-30 is a 4 speed and does not have power steering
or power brakes or a/c. Could I say that all W-30s with these luxuries
disgrace the W-30 name? I think not. Oldsmobile has a name, 4-4-2 as
opposed to 442. You can look it up.

Danny

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:03:33 -0300
Subject: Ohio Turnpike

All,

Will probably be travelling the Ohio Turnpike to go to Lansing in
August.  I've heard the construction on this route is murder.  Anybody
on the list have some first-hand experience with this?  Any idea if they
might be finished by mid-August?  Anyone have a number to reach the Ohio
DOT?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:09:57 -0300
Subject: Intrigues in stock

I was over at our Oldsmobile showroom yesterday.  We've gotten our first
shipment of Intrigues.

ª1 is a white non-GL, cloth interior.  Boy do the seats sit hard in
these.  Wonder if the leather is any softer?

ª2 is a pearly silver, stupid color.  Also a non-GL with cloth interior.

ª3 is my personal favorite, a black GL with taupe leather interior.  All
it needs is chrome wheels.  MSRP $23895.  Chrome wheels would probably
add another $700-1000.  I'd like to drive this one and get a lease
payment.  I've already had a black car, so I'm thinking I'd like dark
green with the taupe leather, and I'm still hung up on those chrome
wheels!  Now if I could just get the rear door delete option...

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
'96 Monte Carlo LS - starting to get scared...

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:15:16 -0300
Subject: Re: engine/head id

In a message, you write:

> I found an Olds engine in the junkyard today, pulled out of a car, with
>  no tranny or accessories attached.  It was in a pile of other engines,
>  and I could only make out that it ~was~ an Olds engine (dist in rear, not
>  going through intake, and oil fill in front), and that it was a big
>  block.  I couldn't see the casting number on the block, but one head was
>  an A.  Someone had written "good 403" on a valve cover.  I know it's not
>  a 403; what engine would have come stock with A heads (425 0r 455)?  Are
>  they desirable (worth going back for)?
>

If the heads were definitely "A" then, as far as I know, it HAS to be a 1965
425ci big block motor. I say this because I have not seen "A" heads in any
1966 cars (Starfires, etc.). The clincher would be if the ledge over the
water pump reads:

386525 A

Is it desireable? That would be a matter of opinion. Because of the 45 degree
cam angle, otherwise-lettered cylinder heads apparently require a small
amount of work before they can be installed. I understand that this work is
mostly to do with the different angle at which the pushrods enter the heads.
I have _no_ complaints about the setup that I am running (same) except that I
believe that it is due for its first overboring. (joy! more cubes!)

On the other hand. As all of the dimentions of the 425 _block _ are the same
as the 455 _block_, I think that I might know of someone who needs a set of
main caps...:)


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  When in Libertyville, do as the Romans do.

 [raise the standard and beat off barbarians?]



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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:15:46 -0300
Subject: Re: engine/head id

In a message, you write:

> I found an Olds engine in the junkyard today, pulled out of a car, with
>  no tranny or accessories attached.  It was in a pile of other engines,
>  and I could only make out that it ~was~ an Olds engine (dist in rear, not
>  going through intake, and oil fill in front), and that it was a big
>  block.  I couldn't see the casting number on the block, but one head was
>  an A.  Someone had written "good 403" on a valve cover.  I know it's not
>  a 403; what engine would have come stock with A heads (425 0r 455)?  Are
>  they desirable (worth going back for)?
>

If the heads were definitely "A" then, as far as I know, it HAS to be a 1965
425ci big block motor. I say this because I have not seen "A" heads in any
1966 cars (Starfires, etc.). The clincher would be if the ledge over the
water pump reads:

386525 A

Is it desireable? That would be a matter of opinion. Because of the 45 degree
cam angle, otherwise-lettered cylinder heads apparently require a small
amount of work before they can be installed. I understand that this work is
mostly to do with the different angle at which the pushrods enter the heads.
I have _no_ complaints about the setup that I am running (same) except that I
believe that it is due for its first overboring. (joy! more cubes!)

On the other hand. As all of the dimentions of the 425 _block _ are the same
as the 455 _block_, I think that I might know of someone who needs a set of
main caps...:)


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  When in Libertyville, do as the Romans do.

 [raise the standard and beat off barbarians?]



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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:16:06 -0300
Subject: Poor Excuses and False Economy

  If anyone can top this one, i'd love to hear it.

       Howdee Folks,
                              I just did a tune up on a 78 Cadillac Seville
the other day and when i got started one of the first things i normally do is
pull the air filter housing off of the engine to make a little bit more room.
 Y'all would never guess what i found stuffed inside the inlet snorkle --  a
bunch of paper towels !!!!!
   When i got through with the tune-up i couldn't resist the urge to ask the
owner why in the world did he have paper towels stuffed in the snorkle ---
 His answer -- because it makes the air cleaner last longer.  Uhhh weeeelllll
- ---- i ended up spending about half an hour explaining to this nit wit the
purpose of an air filter and why he shouldn't stuff paper towels into the
snorkle.  End of story -- by the way he was very pleased with the performance
improvement on his Cadillac and i told him to come back in about a week and a
half and tell me how far he went on a tank of gas -- before the tune-up he
was only getting 225 to 250 miles. We'll see mostly i want to check and see
if he stuffs more paper towels into the air cleaner.

   That's all....   J2RKT@aol.com

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:31:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

In a message dated 97-06-17 15:51:45 EDT, you write:

>
>  My dad once told me that there was no v6 that could
>  ever take a v8 in a race. (unless someone had one of those
>  super modified cars)
>  How much truth is there to that?
>
>
Well recently a listmember had a bad experience against an Eclipse...

As for talking about 1976 455's. When you are talking about a _stock_ engine
you must take into account all sorts of pollution control freak accessories
that came into existence _after_ the 455 was initially designed. Even though
minor advantages like HEI and computer contol/O2 sensors (they had these for
'76's right?) may slightly counteract  hindrances like EGR but only just.
These other modern so called "high compression" and "higher revving" engines
were designed to perform to existing abominable standards.

So realize that you are _not_ invulnerable. OK?

Race ya!


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  Hey! I finally got the choke properly tuned on my carb. When I started my
car, it didn't die! What a revelation!



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