
oldsmobile-digest           Tuesday, 1 July 1997        Volume 01 : Number 740

Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: Big 69 Cutlass problems
Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: Lansing where are you?
rear springs replacement: suggestions?
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)
rebuilt HEI
speedo gear change
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: Pinion Torque Spec
Re: rear springs replacement: suggestions?
Re: rebuilt HEI
Re: rear springs replacement: suggestions?
Re: rebuilt HEI
Well-done web site
Re: speedo gear change
Re: rebuilt HEI
Austrailia
Re: H*lp!
Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
Olds Centennial Club Mtg - 7/8 (Maryland)
Olds Centennial Club Show - 7/13 (Maryland)
Olds Centennial Club Cruise Nite - 9/13 (Maryland)
Re: rear springs replacement: suggestions?
Re: Well-done web site
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
Re: Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)
Re: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
Re: Vendor rating.
Re: Re: Please help me get off this list
door panel questions?
Lansing show in August
Door trim                                    =?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?=FF=FF=FF=FF?=
Re: Re: Whazup?
compressor pulley
(no subject)
(no subject)
maillist
Re: maillist
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: I need pictures for my page
Major Dumbo
Re: my new 70 conv
Tilt Steering Column Interchange
Re: Lansing where are you?
Broadcast sheets
Re: Finding new oem parts
Re: WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 
Re: GM catalogues was OEM parts
Re: GM catalogues was OEM parts
Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard

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From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:10:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> 
> >
> > >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > >
> > > NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > > ====                  =====             =====      ===
> > > ===
> > > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> > > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI             all      none yet
> > > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > > (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > > Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > > Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > > Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > > Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > > Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98
> > > Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442

There ya go Ron, your names on the list! Are there any others? It seems
to me that I'm missing a few, maybe I'm not but I might as well check
just incase I forgot someone!

Cliff Mcfarlane
62 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
63 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:20:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Big 69 Cutlass problems

In a message dated 97-07-01 08:53:39 EDT, you write:

> I think I may have a big problem. My car started running really rough this
>  morning.
>  There was a sort of growling noise when I pressed on the gas, as if maybe
>  it was low on oil and
>  the parts were rubbing together.  I stopped at a gas station and checked
>  the oil (it burns a lot),
>  which was only about a quart low, so I added one. No change. It ran like
>  that the rest of
>  the way to work and would barely pull itself when I'd first take off. It
>  ran really
>  rough at idle and tried to die frequently.

It sounds like you might have coolant in the oil.  Did you check the coolant
level?  What does your oil pressure guage read?  I would stop driving it
immediately and drain the oil.  If it is light colored, it is time for a
rebuild.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:16:55 +0000
Subject: Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

Marvin Friesen wrote:
> 
> Looked over a 2 door 87 Cutlass Supreme RWD today.I like to know what are
> pluses and minuses about this car.
> It is a basic car priced at $4000 CDN.(2800 US). 

> I know Greg B saw a lot of bad rear frames on these. Where do I look? Lots
> of surface rust on rear section but it never scared me on my Delta or 1976
> cutlasses.
Look at the surfaces for flaking rust & seams that are swelling.  Use a
flashlight to peer into the air holes of the frame for major flaking &
pitting.  Especially look at the area just behind the rear wheels where
the splashing will be prevalent.
> 
> +buckets console
> +ss wheels complete
> +original paint, no accidents (very straight)
> +brake job 1 year ago
> +122000 km (75,000 miles)
> +all original except radio
> +clean engine dep, trunk
> +new rad, alt
> +meets Vancouver air emissions, good till may/98, just tuned,
> +clean trunk
> +kept service records
> +no vinyl roof
> +owner for 9 years, wifes car but husband obviously made sure it was
> maintained
> +I love the front ends.
> 
> ?air conditioning  Why not?  AC is nice & it doesn't have to be turned on.
> ?corporate V6???????????????I know nothing about these   These are good reliable engines w/good gas economy.

> ?fuel economy    Very good (25 mpg on highway).
> ?would have to install hitch    Not on this V6.  They don't have the power to tow themselves.
> ?not fuel injected yet.  This might not be easy or cheap.  It involves the computer.
> 

> -silver(faded,oxidized to grey, my most unfavorite colour)  You are probably looking at stripping the paint as a repaint over this situation won't last long.
> -chip in windshield  $200
> -carpet worn on driver side  $150
> -tires 40%  Don't use the other 60% in the summer.  Save this for the winter.
> 
> 
> Marvin Friesen
> Vancouver, BC
> 
Marvin,

It looks like you have lots to like.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:22:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

> > > >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > > >
> > > > NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > > > ====                  =====             =====      ===
> > > > ===
> > > > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > > > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> > > > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI             all      none yet
> > > > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > > > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > > > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > > > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > > > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > > > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > > > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > > > (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > > > Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > > > Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > > > Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > > > Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > > > Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98
> > > > Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> 

Damn, don't nobody like me no more?  I've gotten left off two or three
times now . . . . <sniffs underarms, checks breath> . . . .

O'Connor, Peg		Holiday West		8/19-8/24	none

Oh, I know, it must be majordomo that's taking me off!  Yeah, that's it .
. . . ;))

8)
peg

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From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:20:44 +0000
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> 
> >
> > >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > >
> > > NAME                     HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > > ====                     =====             =====      ===
> > > ===
> > > Beaulieu, Greg         Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > > Hirtle, Don            Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Penny, Steve           Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Smith, Brian           Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Stewart, Sandy         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > Chermack, Jim          Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> > > Harkema, Doug          Holt, MI             all      none yet
> > > Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > > Hendley, Daren         Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > > McFarlane, Cliff       Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > > Westlake, Steve        Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > > Glista, Richard        Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > > Wilson, Jim            none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > > Nicholson, Brad        Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > > (Donna & Eli)          Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > > Matt Cremean           Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > > Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > > Chris Smetana          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > > Dave Wyatt             Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > > Dave Soball            Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98
      Bill Culp              Park Inn Int    8/21-24  silver '62 Jetfire
> 

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 09:29:23 -0700
Subject: rear springs replacement: suggestions?

I could feel the back end bottom out when I
was out last week with a full load of 
passengers and a trunk full of luggage

Suggestions? like don't try this yourself?

Will a new set of springs make a huge
difference?

It seems to sit a little low parked/empty now.

- -- 
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Jar Lyons
jarl@atrieva.com 
Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
600 University Street, Suite 911 
Seattle, WA  98101
Voice: (206) 749-2914,  
Fax:   (206) 382-6615
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
                       455 Rocket Powered
                'How fast do you want to go today?'
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:34:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> 
> Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> >
> > This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > 
    NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > ====                  =====             =====      ===
> > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        none yet
> > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'5598
> > Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> > Peg O'Connor        Holiday West       8/19-24    none 
> > Bill Culp           Park Inn Int       8/21-24    62 Jetfire
> 
I don't know how your names got off the list, I just took this list from
someone else and that's what they had on it, sorry if some how your name
got taken off! 

Cliff Mcfarlane
62 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
63 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.

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From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 11:36:13 +0000
Subject: Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> 
> Sometimes I get the impression that this hobby is getting too rich for my
> blood! That's why I like to hear of the $300 72's that people might fix up
> to drive daily; looks like my SX will be a regular driver for quite some
> time, and I'm looking forward to it!
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  

Bob,

I don't blame you for being skeptical over these prices.  They don't
have to be paid.  Just be patient, let the word get out that you are
looking for something, & search the Hemmings, Auto Trader, etc..  When
you do come across the car you want, make a concrete offer that you can
live with, leave your name & number, & pay in cash (borrowed or
otherwise).

I firmly believe that there at least 5 cars for every buyer.  Most
sellers are tired of waiting to sell their car; tired of tire kickers;
tired of the people offering 1/10 of the car's reasonable value.  Make a
fair firm offer.  If they don't take it, go away to let them think about
it.  Most of the time you can own the car for a reasonable price.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 97 12:47:32 EDT
Subject: rebuilt HEI

All the recent discussion on the Ignitor has convinced me I might as well
just put in an HEI. I run an Edelbrock Performer intake and aftermarket
aircleaner, it appears there will be ample clearance for an HEI.
I intend to do the HEI, install a high voltage coil and an MSD 6A and that
should complete my ignition.  But my question: who sells reconditioned/
rebuilt HEIs?  Not interested in junkyard specimens, I'm betting rebuilt
ones are available for not much more.

Todd Morris
71 442

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From: tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 97 12:29:19 EDT
Subject: speedo gear change

All of you suffering with speedo that reads wrong:  I finally pulled mine,
trotted down to the dealer, and bought a replacement gear for around
7$.  A very easy operation, at least it is on my 4 sp car. Simply lift the
front of the car and find the cable going to the side of the tranny.
The cable is removed easily and the gear slides into a metal housing that
also is easily pried out of the tranny with a screwdriver.  You need to
calculate how far off your speedo is before you pull the gear.  In my case,
I was 9 - 13% too low (speedo reading too low).  My gear was 22 teeth, so
I got the 20 tooth gear and it is much more accurate, although I think it is
still around 2 mph short at 70 MPH.  Accurate enough for me.  Anyway, the
point is, if you have an inaccurate speedo, its a very easy fix and
inexpensive too.

Todd Morris
71 442

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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:58:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

cliff
I bought a car yesterday so add 70 supreme conv to Doug Harkema  Thanks
f>
> Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > > >
> > > > NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > > > ====                  =====             =====      ===
> > > > ===
> > > > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > > > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> > > > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI             all      none yet
> > > > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > > > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > > > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > > > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > > > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > > > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > > > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > > > (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > > > Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > > > Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > > > Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > > > Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > > > Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98
> > > > Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
>
> There ya go Ron, your names on the list! Are there any others? It seems
> to me that I'm missing a few, maybe I'm not but I might as well check
> just incase I forgot someone!
>
> Cliff Mcfarlane
> 62 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
> 63 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.
>

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:59:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Pinion Torque Spec

Ray Moriarty wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm replacing the pinion seal in an Olds 12 bolt and I can't find an exact
> torque spec for the pinion nut. The '70 service guide says to torque it 3-5
> ft/lbs tighter than it was before disassembly. However, I don't have a
> previous torque reading, and I don't trust the work of the previous owner.
> Is there an exact procedure for torquing this nut? If not, what is the best
> way to get in the ball park?

Ray,

The pinion nut should be tightened by a very strict procedure.  If you
have already loosened the nut, you must perform this part:

You will definitely need an INCH/lb torque wrench, and something to hold
the pinion shaft from turning while this is checked.  IT IS CRITICAL
that you don't overtighten/undertighten this nut.  What in effect you
are doing is establishing preload on the pinion bearings.  If you get it
too tight, the crush sleeve will be too short and have to be repalaced,
and the bearings will burn up.  Too loose and everything will walk back
and forth, again, tearing up more than you would care to lose. (24-32
INCH/lbs for new bearings, 8-12 inch/lbs for used bearings is the
setting that's listed in my 69 service manual) Check your service manual
carefully for setting up preload...

If you have yet to loosen it, and you suspect the pinion was torqued
properly upon reassembly, or if it had never been off before:

Match mark the companion flange, pininon shaft and nut, so the proper
pinion preload is maintained.  After seal replacement, install
everything as it once was, tighten the pinion nut 1/16" (no more) past
the reference mark.  This usually will take up slack on worn bearings,
and will maintain the proper preload.  

If in doubt about doing any of this, then take it to a reputable service
garage who is experienced in differential maintenance.  If you make a
mistake, you may be taking it ALL apart to fix it.

My 2 cents,
Mike Rothe

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From: STemple909@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 13:07:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: rear springs replacement: suggestions?

Replace the springs! I replaced the ones on my 72 Cutlass S with ones out of
a 77 Cutlass Supreme. Rides great and gives it a slight lift in the rear for
that muscle car look. Plus when I hook a trailer to the back or load the
trunk up it does'nt drop hardly at all. 

Shawn L. Temple

72 Cutlass S

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 12:19:19 -0500
Subject: Re: rebuilt HEI

tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM wrote:
> 
> All the recent discussion on the Ignitor has convinced me I might as well
> just put in an HEI. I run an Edelbrock Performer intake and aftermarket
> aircleaner, it appears there will be ample clearance for an HEI.
> I intend to do the HEI, install a high voltage coil and an MSD 6A and that
> should complete my ignition.  But my question: who sells reconditioned/
> rebuilt HEIs?  Not interested in junkyard specimens, I'm betting rebuilt
> ones are available for not much more.
> 
> Todd Morris
> 71 442


I bought my rebuilt distributor from Napa. It cost $110, had new
weights, new bushings, and a new wire harness. From looking at it I
would assume that they did not change out the module. It has run really
good for me, far better than any junkyard HEI I have ever had.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:14:18 -0400
Subject: Re: rear springs replacement: suggestions?

Jar Lyons wrote:
> 
> I could feel the back end bottom out when I
> was out last week with a full load of
> passengers and a trunk full of luggage
> 
> Suggestions? like don't try this yourself?
> 
> Will a new set of springs make a huge
> difference?

If they are original, a new set will help tremendously after 25 years. 
Bottoming is not uncommon if you carry a LOT of weight as you describe. 
If you are dead set on original type springs, try one of the aftermarket
custom spring vendors, they can make the springs exactly for your car. 
If you want something that isn't exact, then go down to your local
Western Auto, or some place like that, get some rear replacement MOOG
springs, for example, and it will restore the rear ride. (Check on 442
spring applications, it should be a firmer spring) If you do a lot of
heavy hauling maybe load leveler shocks or air shocks (I particulary
don't recommend the air shocks) are also some options.  To replace the
springs in your car's rear, unbolt the bottom of the shock mounts to the
axle, raise the car as high as possible and let the rear end hang. (A
garage X-lift would be the safest) Whatever you do, do NOT get under the
car unless the frame is sturdily supported.  If the car falls, you'll
get hurt.  Then, once it's supported, climb under, one side at a time
and you probably can lift the old springs out if they don't fall out, or
with a little hand compression wiggle them out.

To install the new springs, check with the service guide for 72 to find
out which way the "Pigtail" on the spring goes.  Usually this is facing
inward, but check the service manual and any documentation that comes
with the new springs.  Officially, you should use a good spring
compressor, but I've replaced the springs before using hand
compression.  If you've never done this before, use a spring compressor.
You'll be glad you did. 

Of course, a reputable shop can replace them for a nominal fee.  It's
not real difficult.  But you will be amazed at the difference.  Now
would be a good time to replace the shocks since they are already half
out.

Hope this gives some insight.
Mike Rothe

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:18:49 -0400
Subject: Re: rebuilt HEI

tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM wrote:
> 
> All the recent discussion on the Ignitor has convinced me I might as well
> just put in an HEI. I run an Edelbrock Performer intake and aftermarket
> aircleaner, it appears there will be ample clearance for an HEI.
> I intend to do the HEI, install a high voltage coil and an MSD 6A and that
> should complete my ignition.  But my question: who sells reconditioned/
> rebuilt HEIs?  Not interested in junkyard specimens, I'm betting rebuilt
> ones are available for not much more.
> 
Try a good auto parts store.

Or if you want, you might try SUMMIT, or one of the other
high-performance vendors.  Accel sells rebuilt ones.

2 cents,
Mike Rothe

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:22:19 -0500
Subject: Well-done web site

I was searching the F*rd web-site for the e-mail address of a friend
who works for F*rd (yes, I said "friend" and "f*rd" in the same
sentence....won't happen again).

anyway, I stumbled onto a section of the web-page that is very well done,
and anyone with influence over the Oldsmobile Motor Co.'s official web-site
should pass this along to them.

It's a vintage page describing the history of each model.

http://www.ford.com/archive/vintagevehicles.html

It really is quite nice.....just hold your nose. You'll survive!

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S convertible
"The oil-burning, head-cracking, coolant foaming, temp-rising, babe magnet"
...yes, I'm refering to the car

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 13:24:18 -0400
Subject: Re: speedo gear change

tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM wrote:
> 
> All of you suffering with speedo that reads wrong:  I finally pulled mine,
> trotted down to the dealer, and bought a replacement gear for around
> 7$.  A very easy operation, at least it is on my 4 sp car. 

Todd's right. It's not brain surgery  However, ensure the reason that
your speedo was off is because a different plastic gear was used.  Check
the mfr. info on things like recommended tire size, rear end ratio,
drive gear on the trans. (pain in the butt if this is wrong), and driven
gear specs.  If you require a reduction gear, that info is on there
too.  Especially if you have numerically high gear ratios like 3.91,
4.33, etc.  All these things matched together equal fairly accurate
speedo readings.

Another 2 cents.
Mike Rothe

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 14:25:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: rebuilt HEI

In a message dated 97-07-01 13:39:54 EDT, you write:

<<  But my question: who sells reconditioned/
 rebuilt HEIs?  Not interested in junkyard specimens, I'm betting rebuilt
 ones are available for not much more.
 
 Todd Morris
 71 44 >>

TODD IVE SEEN THEM IN SUMMIT AND JEGS CATATLOGS AND I THINK PAW SELLS THEM
ALSO. TRY AUTOZONE OR PARTS AMERICA TOO. GOOD LUCK

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From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:17:09 +0000
Subject: Austrailia

Is there anybody out there in internet land that lives in or will be 
in Australia in August. That is our last Liberty Port on the way back 
home, and I would like to meet some Olds finatics from Australia 
while I'm there. E-mail me directly to work things out
Thanx

It was said once, and I'll say it again.
Radios are for parking, Dual exhaust is music for the streets

Ben
'62 Olds F-85
'68 Olds 442
(Persian Gulf)

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From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 22:14:38 +0000
Subject: Re: H*lp!

> On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Douglas Kitchener wrote:

> > H*lp me!  I signed on to a majordomo-type email list (oldsmobile) at 
> > chebucto.ns.ca
> > 
> > I can't get off it!  Dunno whether it's on their end or ours, but have sent an 
> > unsubscribe message, with both my addresses

> > and received a "succeeded" message.

I too, have sent my unsubsribe and also got a succeeded message 
return. I am on deployment and 100 messages a day it too many to be 
going through. I like it, yet the amount of mail is too much. Please 
remove me aswell.

Ben
'62 Olds F-85
'68 Olds 442
(Persian Gulf) 

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:21:08 -0400
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

> 
> Those of you who have been attempting to uns*bscribe from this list over
> the last few days may be having some difficulty. Chebucto seems to be
> having majordomo problems right now causing your requests to apparently be
> processed but not resulting in your actual removal from the list. Please
> bear with me on this one, we're working on it and I'll handle requests as
> soon as I can once the problem is fixed. 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> 
> 
Whew, thanks!  I'm swamped!  It's interesting, but the volume of mail is just 
too much for me to handle!

Thanx Greg,

Doug

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 14:11:52 -0500
Subject: Olds Centennial Club Mtg - 7/8 (Maryland)

Second Tuesday of Each Month - 
OCC Monthly Meeting 
Location: ERNIE SWANSON OLDSMOBILE 410 N. CRAIN HIGHWAY, GLEN BURNIE, MD 
Phone: (410) 768-8800 Fax: (410) 768-1948 

All we ask is that you NOT park in front of the dealership as they will be 
open. Please park to the right of the showroom, down in front of the 
service bays, there is plenty of room.  We have a meeting room in the back 
and to the left in the showroom building.  Someone will be in the showroom 
to show you where the meeting is. We shouldn't run past 8:30PM. If you know 
of anyone else who might be interested, and not on the newsgroup, please 
pass the word along and or bring them with ya.  There are 25+ current 
members in the club.  There is a wide variety of Oldsmobiles represented, 
add yours to the list.  We will be finalizing items for the upcoming show, 
stuffing goodie bags, discuss other local events, Sept. Cruise Nite events 
planning and whatever else comes up.  Anyone who joins this year will be 
considered a Charter Member.  Anyone interested in joining, or know of 
someone who might be interested, drop me some e-mail.  I have directions to 
the meeting.  If you plan on coming, please e-mail me so we have a head 
count for refreshments.  There will be a deli tray for anyone who misses 
dinner at their house.
==========================================================
 ---  
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com 
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442 
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occhome.html
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 14:14:15 -0500
Subject: Olds Centennial Club Show - 7/13 (Maryland)

Sunday July 13, 1997

Oldsmobile Centennial Club 1st Annual Show @ Ernie Swanson Oldsmobile, 410 
North Crain Highway, Glen Burnie, MD.  Registration starts @ 10am, show 
from 11am-3pm. All Oldsmobiles Welcome. $5 registration includes dash 
plaque and goodie bag to first 50 Oldsmobiles through the gate. Please 
pre-reg by July 9.  Non-judging show, but there will be special awards 
given for dealer's & people's choice.  50/50 drawing and door prizes. Door 
prize contributors so far include: K&N Engineering, WD-40, Auto Custom 
Carpets, Apple Hydraulics, Valvoline and more.
Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 965-3825, e-mail: brad442@erols.com.  Web 
site: www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html (Registration form available at 
the web site.  Just print it and send it in).

==========================================================================  
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov  (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 14:21:29 -0500
Subject: Olds Centennial Club Cruise Nite - 9/13 (Maryland)

Saturday September 13, 1997
1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE. Hosted by the Oldsmobile 
Centennial Club (Future OCA Chapter). At The Big M Restaurant/Drive-In 
Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD (Between Bel Air & Aberdeen, 
MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and condition Oldsmobiles welcome, 
daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free goodie bag to first 50 
Oldsmobile through the gate. Open to the public. Other vehicles welcome to 
cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 drawing.
Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381, e-mail: brad442@erols.com or The Big 
M @ (410) 734-4370.   Club Web Link at 
http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html

==========================================================
 ---  
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442 
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occhome.html 
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:30:20 -0400
Subject: Re: rear springs replacement: suggestions?

> I could feel the back end bottom out when I
> was out last week with a full load of 
> passengers and a trunk full of luggage
> 
> Suggestions? like don't try this yourself?
> 
> Will a new set of springs make a huge
> difference?
> 
> It seems to sit a little low parked/empty now.

New rear springs from a jobber s/b under $100 bucks.  DO try this at home.  Undo 
rear lower shock mounts, jack up body or frame (NOT rear end), springs will fall 
out.  Replace the rubber pads between the spring and the body (top) also.  
Specialty, Year 1, Fusick have these.  20 minute job.  Get the right springs for 
the car, don't try to second-guess and put something different in for a change 
from stock ride height, you'll just get screwed up.

Doug K.

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:37:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Well-done web site

> 
> I was searching the F*rd web-site for the e-mail address of a friend
> who works for F*rd (yes, I said "friend" and "f*rd" in the same
> sentence....won't happen again).
> 
> anyway, I stumbled onto a section of the web-page that is very well done,
> and anyone with influence over the Oldsmobile Motor Co.'s official web-site
> should pass this along to them.
> 
> It's a vintage page describing the history of each model.
> 
> http://www.ford.com/archive/vintagevehicles.html
> 
> It really is quite nice.....just hold your nose. You'll survive!

Ditto the Chrysler site, think it's www.chrysler.com.  BTW, _they_ build 
excitement, not P*ntiac... I wouldn't buy one, but at least someone there has 
some imagination... can't say that for the General!

Doug K.

------------------------------

From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:36:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!

NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
====                  =====             =====      ===
Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
(Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'5598
Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
Peg O'Connor        Holiday West       8/19-24    none
Bill Culp           Park Inn Int       8/21-24    62 Jetfire
_________________________________________________________________
Doug, 
Your 70 Supreme is now listed. If there is anyone else who's name is not
mentioned please add it to the list!
 
Cliff Mcfarlane
62 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
63 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.

------------------------------

From: Terrance Bradley <Docolds@Magmacom.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:37:39 -0700
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> cliff
> I bought a car yesterday so add 70 supreme conv to Doug Harkema  Thanks
> f>
> > Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > > > >
> > > > > NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > > > > ====                  =====             =====      ===
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > > > > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > > > > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> > > > > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI             all      none yet
> > > > > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > > > > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > > > > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > > > > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > > > > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > > > > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > > > > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > > > > (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > > > > Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > > > > Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > > > > Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > > > > Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > > > > Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98
> > > > > Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> >
> > There ya go Ron, your names on the list! Are there any others? It seems
> > to me that I'm missing a few, maybe I'm not but I might as well check
> > just incase I forgot someone!
> >
> > Cliff Mcfarlane
> > 62 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
> > 63 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.
> >
  

 Cliff:
 Please add us again 
 Terry & Barb Bradley (aka Docolds) 71 cutlass green 70 W-30 rallye red

 Thanks
 Docolds

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:40:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

> > Don't beleive it. To get off you must sell Greg a rust free low mileage
> > Olds for $ 500 and deliver it to him. When you return home you will find
> > you are unsubcribed. If this doesnt work you will have to read Olds mail
> > forever. Or you could praise Fords. This might not get you off but it
> would
> > give you some interesting flames to read.  
> 
> or you could post that Greg is selling his '65 Mustang and switching the
> list over to a Ford list.
> 
> Daren
> 
Nice!

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:43:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)

> Douglas Kitchener wrote:
> >=20
> > Seat belt warning lamp on cars that were equipped with Rally Pack.
> 
> Hey! I got one of those! What's a Rally Pack? What's in it?

Nothing important, just an undesirable factory option with no value.  Take the 
clusters on either side of your speedometer out and mail them to me, and I'll 
send you some neat ones with warning lights in them, no charge!

Doug K

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 15:45:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> > 
> > Chebucto seems to be having majordomo problems right now...
> 
> Snicker...  (That'll teach you to go away and leave me in charge)

Mike, Dave, you oughtta get the Toro list to do this!

Doug

Buried in email

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:09:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Vendor rating.

> Everyone,
> 
> My web page is growing by the day.  Recently, there were discussions on
> this list about vendor ratings, who's the best, who sucks, etc., and I
> am reserving a spot on my web page for this poll.  All results are
> anonymous, unless you absolutely want your name included.

'S up to you, but look out for the lawyers!  We had a discussion way back when 
about setting something like this up in our local OCA chapter, and decided it 
would leave our third members (rear ends, folks) hanging out too much if 
somebody didn't like what we said about them.  A worthy cause, but you're braver 
than I am!

Doug K.

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:12:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Please help me get off this list

> In a message dated 97-07-01 01:04:27 EDT, you write:
> 
> << > Can someone tell me how to stop all of this E MAIL?, Please!!!
>  > 
>  Apparently something has gone haywire!  I can't stop mine either... send a 
>  message to 
>   >>
> HEY GUYS , MAYBE IF YA TYPE IN CAPS AND POP OUT A FEW  MEANINGLESS SEXIST
> PHRASES..........
> 
Works for me... banish this turkey!

Doug K.

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 04:24:23 -0400
Subject: door panel questions?

does anyone know if there is a way to "repaint" or touch-up the chrome 
trim on a 71 4-4-2 black door panels?

I won't spend the money for new ones!  My car is in #2 condition, and 
I'm at the nit-picking stage.

thank in advance!

RC Hellebuyck
71 4-4-2 convt.

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 04:30:27 -0400
Subject: Lansing show in August

I have never been to the August Olds show and have some questions:


Will I be able to just "show up" on friday or Saturday and still park 
my car in a showing area? (NOTE: I don't care if my car is judged or 
not, I just want to be able to leave it in a safe spot, plus show it 
off a little)

thanks for any input!

RC Hellebuyck
71 4-4-2 convt.

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:21:29 -0400
Subject: Door trim                                    =?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?=FF=FF=FF=FF?=

> does anyone know if there is a way to "repaint" or touch-up the chrome 
> trim on a 71 4-4-2 black door panels?
> 
> I won't spend the money for new ones!  My car is in #2 condition, and 
> I'm at the nit-picking stage.
> 
> thank in advance!
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 71 4-4-2 convt.
> 
Try one of those silver ink markers that we were talking about... Testor's and 
others make them, found in hobby or art stores.  Won't look like chrome, loox 
silver.  You may wanna peel some of the mylar off of your panels.  The markers 
look like a Magic Marker.

Doug K.

------------------------------

From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:36:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Whazup?

> I have never been to the August Olds show and have some questions:
> 
> 
> Will I be able to just "show up" on friday or Saturday and still park 
> my car in a showing area? (NOTE: I don't care if my car is judged or 
> not, I just want to be able to leave it in a safe spot, plus show it 
> off a little)
> 
> thanks for any input!
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 71 4-4-2 convt.
> 
Doubtful... well, maybe... heck, go ahead and register, it's only $25 and you'll 
get a neat gift (dunno what).  Not too late to register, call 517/885-1747 or 
377-6178.  BTW, no judging this year... this one is sponsored by Oldsmobile 
Division, not OCA.  Next year in Illinois will be OCA and you won't be able to 
park on the show grounds unless you're an OCA member and registered for the 
Nationals.  You _will_ be able to attend as a spectator.  Get in touch privately 
if you'd like info on joining OCA, that goes for anyone else also!

Doug Kitchener
VP, Starfire / Jetstar I Chapter
Membership Manager, Toronado Chapter
Reporter-at-large, Atlantic Southeast Zone

Oldsmobile Club of America

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From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 16:45:49 -0400
Subject: compressor pulley

Can anyone tell me how to cahange the pulley on my ac compressor? Before the
belt burnt right off there was noise and now the pulley is very hard to turn
by hand. Is there a bearing that needs replacing and can i do the job on the
car without removing the compressor? is there any danger of leaking gas?

tia 

AAron Eoff 

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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From: ckbarnes@dtiinc.com (Carletta K Barnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:54:39 -0500
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe oldsmobile

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From: ckbarnes@dtiinc.com (Carletta K Barnes)
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 15:56:31 -0500
Subject: (no subject)

I was wondering if you could tell me any information on my car.  It is a
1971 Oldsmobile Delta 88.  If possibile any parts catalogs for my car.



					Matt Barnes

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From: Robert Dye <robbyd@gte.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:18:38 -0400
Subject: maillist

please take me off your mail list.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 17:30:48 -0700
Subject: Re: maillist

Robert Dye wrote:
> 
> please take me off your mail list.

OK, you're off my list ...but you're gonna be pretty 
bummed out come Christmas when you don't get a card.
 
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:40:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

> 
> NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> ====                  =====             =====      ===
> Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
> Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'5598
> Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> Peg O'Connor        Holiday West       8/19-24    none
> Bill Culp           Park Inn Int       8/21-24    62 Jetfire
  Tom Adams           Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Conv  

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 17:30:15 -0400
Subject: Re: I need pictures for my page

Hi Karl,

Sorry I haven't had time to read my messages, it appears that someone gave
you my address regarding scanning.  I have a scanner and am located in
Toronto, Canada.  If you still need scanning done, then Email me or give me
a call at: (416) 463-8246
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: KarlAunan@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: I need pictures for my page
> Date: ceturtdiena, 1997. gada 19. jūnijs 22:34
> 
> In a message dated 97-06-19 02:50:21 EDT, you write:
> 
> >  latvis@globalserve.net
> 
> 

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 19:08:38 -0400
Subject: Major Dumbo

All-

For those attempting to get off the Olds list, I just had a message from the 
guru who knows all about the email system, he has found a problem and will 
attempt to repair it tomorrow...

Canadian subscribers, please excuse my Ugly American ignorance, but there was a 
national holiday in Canada recently (I thot it was the 29th, right, I hope? in 
the interest of international relations!)  :) but that slowed things a little, 
understandably...

Doug K.

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 19:51:59 -0400
Subject: Re: my new 70 conv

ST "70" is the model year 

"34267"  3 stands for the GM division which is Oldsmobile
         4267 is the style (2-door conv.)    

"E 2390 BDY"   E stands for assembly plant (Linden, NJ)
               2390 is the production sequence
               
TR "979" is the trim code ("saddle brown" color with bucket seats)     

"58" is the paint code ("burnished gold")

"HPNT" the "H" stands for a gold conv. top (sorry I don't know what the heck the 
rest means)

"02D" stands for the build date (Feb./4th week)

Hope this was some help to you!  Congrats on your new car!

RC Hellebuyck
71 4-4-2 conv.


On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu> wrote:
>Hi,
>    I just picked up a 1970 supreme conv't.  I got a great deal on it.  It only
>has 76,000 miles.  interior is a little messed up and needs a new top.  Can
>someone tell me the what I got.
>
>Body tag reads:  ST 70 34267 E 2390 BDY
>                 TR 979 58 HPNT 02D
>
>I Think I'm going to like this car!!!!
>
>Thanks
>Doug Harkema (too many Dougs)
>70 supreme conv
>

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From: "Lloyd Ferguson" <Lloyd.Ferguson@ntc.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 16:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tilt Steering Column Interchange

I have recently purchased a 1969 Cutlass convertible and would like to 
install a tilt steering column.  Does anybody know what makes and 
models of cars have steering columns that would work in this 
application?

Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@themall.net

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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

In a message dated 97-07-01 12:29:50 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Cliff McFarlane wrote:
 > 
 > >
 > > >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
 > > >
 > > > NAME                  HOTEL             DATES      CAR
 > > > ====                  =====             =====      ===
 > > > ===
 > > > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
 > > > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > > > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > > > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > > > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > > > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
 > > > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI             all      none yet
 > > > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
 > > > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
 > > > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
 > > > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
 > > > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
 > > > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
 > > > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
 > > > (Donna & Eli)       Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
 > > > Matt Cremean        Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
 > > > Dan Gulino          Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
 > > > Chris Smetana       Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
 > > > Dave Wyatt          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
 > > > Dave Soball         Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98
 > > > Ron Forsee          Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
  >>    Steve Bicker        Quality Suits       8/19-8/24    67 442 Saffron

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From: EROB50@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:21:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Broadcast sheets

Does anyone know how accurate are broadcast sheets and how much info was
actually put on the broadcast sheets...

I know of a 442-w30 that actually had  the letters   w-30   on the broadcast
sheet
But I have also seen a 442-w30 that did not have the letters w-30 on the
broadcast
sheet...

Any info would really be helpful
thanks...

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 20:21:28 +0000
Subject: Re: Finding new oem parts

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> I found a web page that will search dealerships for parts. You enter what
> you want or the part's number and your area code. It's for newer parts so
> don't expect to find any W30 crate engines.
> www.partsvoice.com
> Daren

Hey, this is pretty cool.  Remember those dual exhaust manifold
cross-over caps we talked about a while ago?  Berejik has 'em according
to Partsvoice.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:23:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 

Greg Yonge (sp?) wrote:

> File:  wtb1965d.dat (3156 bytes)
>  DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute
>  
>  I am also interested in Dynamic 88's (not necessarily '65)
>  Please elaborate on the 39 degree cam angle that you mentioned..  
>  was it standard on later years? please explain!    Thanks
>  
No Greg! No pictures! Arrrghhhh!

??????

Well it's too small for a picture, and my other utilities cannot get anything
ledgible out of it. An acceleration skidmark?

Well, whatever. In 1965 Oldsmobile began building Big Block power plants for
its cars. While some models (Jetstar and Cutlass?) recieved 330cid small
blocks, most full size cars were bestowed the new 425cid motor. Just so I do
not to leave anyone out, in June(?) of 1965, when the 442's were built, they
were given 400cid big block engines.

1965's Dynamic 88 came from the factory with a standard 425cid motor under a
2bbl Rochester carburetor. The TH400 (that I cannot say for certain as being
standard) was labelled something like 65-OA-1001, which indicates a
transmission variant designed for a 2bbl  _high_compression_ engine. This is
the transmission that is on my car as well as one of my ersatz parts cars
(also saw one piston with very shallow dish). As big blocks are identifiable
by a capital letter indicating the generation (if you will) of cylinder head
on the motor. The Dynamics should have the following (from the factory); "A"
heads, characters atop the water pump ledge reading 386525 A, and also the
letter A in the valley on the intake manifold that is farthest forward and on
the passenger's side. (Found the last a few days ago. Gasoline is a very
strong solvent.  :~)}   )

My memory gets a little hazy here. (Check the FAQ for full details). The 330
and 425 which were used had the unique 45 degree valve angle. 1965 was the
only year that the 425 had the 45 degree angle, but I cannot remember what
the angle was for the 1966 330 engines. All later years for the big block
used 39 degree cam angles.

Now we are really getting into a grey area where my miniscule knowledge of
camshaft/valvetrain concepts fails me. A camshaft for a 45 degree block is
different from a 39 degree camshaft, even if all other specifications are the
same. We have previously heard from others that the 39 degree camshaft does
in fact work in the 45 degree engines, in particular I am referring to
Edelbrock's camshaft for it's Performer package. No ill effects are reported
at this time, but I will not accept this as a safe (read as harmless to
engines) practice.

Onward. The "A" heads are, naturally, designed for use with the 45 degree
valve angle. The sentiment previously expressed via this list was that other
big block cylinder heads, while perfectly swappable with each other, may not
be a proper fit onto the "A" (?) block. Possible fit conflicts include the
angle at which the pushrods enter the cylinder head. I will have to spend
about an hour just taking block/cylinder head dimensions and angles one day
when I have my hulk abart for reboring. Until such a time, I do not believe
anyone has attempted such a cylinder head swap.

Now, everybody save this letter so we do not have to go through this anymore!


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Entities Given Reason?

  

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:27:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: GM catalogues was OEM parts

In a message dated 97-07-01 04:40:38 EDT, you write:

> KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
>  > Has anyone gotten the GM
>  > restoration parts catalogue? How is that?
>  
>  I glanced through it at a local dealership, if you have the Year One
>  Catalog, you already have it.
>  -- 
>  

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:30:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: GM catalogues was OEM parts

In a message dated 97-07-01 04:40:38 EDT, you write:

> KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
>  > Has anyone gotten the GM
>  > restoration parts catalogue? How is that?
>  
>  I glanced through it at a local dealership, if you have the Year One
>  Catalog, you already have it.

Sorry (again)!

Do you recall anything for the full-sized cars?
Year One doesn't help me much.....


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  (witticism)
  

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From: Michael Lowe <mlowe@pop.erols.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 20:39:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard

Was this optional?  I have owned a '72 442 with rallye pac for 14 years and
I never noticed it or a hole where it was removed.

At 10:49 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Mike Stewart wrote:
>> 
>> Recently purchased 72' 442 from my brother in Nevada.  On the center of the
>> dashboard is a indicator or sensor.  Have read several Oldsmobile
publications
>> and have not determined what this may be.  Hopefully not a hack job on
the dash.
>> 
>> Does anybody have any idea what this item may be?
>
>Mike,
>
>Gotta agree with Greg and Doug's replies on this one.  It is the "Fasten
>Seat Belt" warning light that went along with that God-awful buzzer.  
>It is right on the top center of the dash, looks sorta like a mini
>underdash 8-track case turned upside down.  Had one in my 72 442 3-speed
>with Rally Pac I used to own years ago.  I had to take the bulb out. 
>Got on my nerves.
>
>Mike Rothe
>
>

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