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oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 28 1997        Volume 01 : Number 774



More Carlisle notes
(no subject)
Parts Interchange Question
Re: More Carlisle notes
Re: General question
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Re: More Carlisle notes
Re: 1970 W-31 Value
Re[2]: General question
Re[2]: More Carlisle notes
Re: Re[2]: General question
Re: Toro List
List Members Meeting in Lansing
Re: Toro List
Tool Name?
I'm Back
Re: How do you build a hot tank?
Re: How do you build a hot tank?
Re: email list
Re: Intro and part needed
Re: Tool Name?
Re: Toro List
Re: [Toro] Stranded in Tucson
Re: Parts Interchange Question
Re[2]: Toro List
Needed:  15x7 SSIII wheel
Re: 1970 W-31 Value
Re: Lansing where are you? - please update me
Part needed
Plastic for grilles
Eastwood Old's engine paint
Re: Re[2]: Toro List
Re: Needed:  15x7 SSIII wheel
Fantasy (was: Tool Name?)
Re: [Toro] List Members Meeting in Lansing
Re: Toro List
Re: Plastic for grilles
conv. qtr. panels,question?
Re: Part needed for 66 toro
Re: Part needed
Fwd: Part needed
Re: List Members Meeting in Lansing (fwd)
Re: Re[2]: Toro List
Bringing non-list-members to the Chicago meet in Union, IL
Axle needed - more info
76olds984sale
85cutlassproblems--done
Long trips and the big move
Re: Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed info on
caravan! Re: 68-72 Cutlass and 442 Parts Re: 76olds984sale '61 Starfire Lead
LANSING LIST UPDATED! What's it worth, revisited... Re: More Carlisle notes Re:
What's it worth, revisited... Re: 1970 W-31 Value (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 10:10:51 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: More Carlisle notes

     I went up on Saturday with a friend.  This was my first trip, although
     I used to go to every Pomona swap meet when I lived in LA (and a few
     times since then when the business trips work out).

     A few notes:

     This had to have been the largest number of Olds parts and parts I
     have ever seen at a swap meet (excepting, of course, and all-Olds
     meet).  Possibly the 100th anniversary tie-in had something to do with
     it, but I was pleasantly surprised.

     The Olds car display was great.  I got to see it Saturday afternoon
     while they were setting up.  Nice 69, 72, and 83 (actually, I don't
     remember now if it was an 83 or 84) H/Os, the "notorious" 77 H/O
     prototype (more in a minute), the number 4 66 W-30 (an absolutely
     beautiful all-original 4 spd car), and a number of other very nice
     cars.

     I finally got a closeup look at the 77 prototype.  At first I was
     skeptical, but I think I'm convinced this is the genuine article.  It
     has a Penn. state DMV specially constructed vehicle tag, the expanded
     wire mesh grilles, and a number of other features which make it look
     like the real thing.  The trunklid spoiler is apparently a clay
     molding which has been covered in fiberglass.  The paint is badly
     cracked; I suspect it is original.  The front spoiler is missing, a
     victim of an early accident.

     In my tours of western swap meets, I have always been amazed at what I
     considered to be the lack of good sheet metal for sale.  Now I know
     why.  It appears that a large number of vendors make western trips in
     the winter collecting sheetmetal and haul this stuff all over the east
     coast in the summer.  There were a large number of "California" parts
     for sale, including 65, 67, 68-69 and 70-72 A-body front fenders.
     N.O.S. sheetmetal was also quite plentiful, although very high priced.
      Among pieces which caught my eye were a 70-72 Supreme quarter panel,
     a 68(?) Toro front fender, and a number of 70-72 fronts.

     Speaking of prices, asking prices (as opposed to sale prices) appear
     to have "rocketed" for anything remotely desirable.  How about $800
     for a W-30 intake, $550 for a 69 W-30 air cleaner, and $200 for an
     Edelbrock O4B intake (this seemed especially outrageous).  I can see
     the laws of supply and demand apply, but $200 for a used aftermarket
     4bbl intake?

     Took a close look at the giveaway car.  This is a 70 Cutlass Supreme
     Convert done up as a 442 W-30 clone (cosmetically only).  The car has
     an original hood and a decklid wing, but has retained the 350/TH350
     column shift drivetrain.  My first reaction was, for the money they
     have into this thing, they could have at least dropped in a 455!  The
     car also has the later-style SSIII wheels with the snap-in centers.
     Rear quarters have been replaced, and there were gaps inside the rear
     wheelwells where the replacement panels were welded which were not
     sealed up.  Too bad.

     Cars for sale included a nice 63 Cutlass with a 4bbl 215, a clean 65
     F-85 for ~$3500 (unfortunately, it had posts ;-) ), a couple of 68
     442s, an 83 H/O and a 77 Supreme with an 8-71 blown 350 Olds (I sure
     expected it to be a Ch*vy).

     One item that I agonized over before turning down was an 84 H/O front
     license plate still in the original GM wrapper for a reasonable $22.
     Cool.

     Looking forward to Fall Carlisle, which I am told is considerably
     larger than summer.  As it is, we went in the front gate at 7:00
     Saturday morning and left at 8:00 that night.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:15:35 -0600
From: SG Hartfelder <shartfel@planet.eon.net>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:25:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Parts Interchange Question

Can someone with a parts catalog advise whether the rear inner bumper bar
(the part that mounts to the energy-absorbing cylinders) is the same for
all '77-'85 88s/98s? What about the ones found on the rear of Custom
Cruisers, is this the same part as well?

These get the exposed chrome "bumper cover" mounted on them, but I'm
curious about the inner beam only. Are these aluminum as I've been told?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:03:23 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: More Carlisle notes

Padavano.Joe wrote:

>      Cars for sale included a nice 63 Cutlass with a 4bbl 215, a clean 65
>      F-85 for ~$3500 (unfortunately, it had posts ;-) ), a couple of 68

Thanks Joe!


Chris Sparks :-)
68 442 (Can't help her wicked post)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:06:10 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: General question

Hi all,

When I get the rear quarter panel replaced on my 68 4-4-2 would it make
more sense to have the wheel wheel bent back into shape or a new
piece rewelded in.  I saw Joe Padavano's last e-mail and I don't want
any gaps in mine.  How about the trunk extension piece that welds on
from the back side?  Mine is dented.  Should I replace it or have it
rebended into shape?

Later....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:06:43 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

Adam wrote:
>
> Dave,
>         Thanks for your input.  I suspected the trans was a gonner... yes the
> car has 110k miles... Is there any way I can have the trans shop
> install a "better" replacement? The smoke was either white or blue but
> it was an extremely small amount... about that of a cigar puff.. I think
> that might be a small leak at the header... Thanks for your help!!!!
> Adam Andersen

I believe the stock tranny on an '85 is the TH-200, which isn't known
for it's durability.  You can swap in either a TH-350 or a TH200-4R.
The 350 is much stronger, and won't have any durability problems with a
350 or 403 cid engine.  The 200-4R provides overdrive, and if built
properly can survive behind a 350, but will be more expensive than the
350.  Either one you get, grab the driveshaft and crossmember off of the
donor car, since I think they're both longer than the original tranny.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:26:01 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: More Carlisle notes

Were there many good solid Convertible 70-72 for around the 5 thousand mark
For sale there

Robert Schinkel

- ----------
> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: More Carlisle notes
> Date: Monday, July 28, 1997 11:03 AM
>
> Padavano.Joe wrote:
>
> >      Cars for sale included a nice 63 Cutlass with a 4bbl 215, a clean
65
> >      F-85 for ~$3500 (unfortunately, it had posts ;-) ), a couple of 68
>
> Thanks Joe!
>
>
> Chris Sparks :-)
> 68 442 (Can't help her wicked post)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:03:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Value

Go for it!

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 12:10:23 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: General question

Chris Sparks asked:

When I get the rear quarter panel replaced on my 68 4-4-2 would it make
more sense to have the wheel wheel bent back into shape or a new
piece rewelded in.  I saw Joe Padavano's last e-mail and I don't want
any gaps in mine.

     Is your quarter panel a repro or an original piece?  The repros
     I've seen (and apparently all the vendors get their pieces from
     the same stamping house) leave a lot to be desired at the edges.

     Obviously, the answer is: it depends.  How bad is the damage?
     The outer wheelhouse is welded to the inner at a flange along the
     top of the wheel well.  Once the quarter panel is off, it is a
     fairly easy task to drill out the spot welds on the wheelhouse
     and replace the outer section (I'm assuming here that the damage
     is confined to the outer wheelhouse).  Are these available repro?

     The gap I mentioned was due to a less-than-careful removal of the
     original sheetmetal on the giveaway car.  If only the quarter
     panel is being replaced, the factory spot welds should be drilled
     out and the quarter carefully separated from the wheelhouse.
     This was not the case on the giveaway car; there was a gap
     between the outer wheelhouse and the replacement quarter at the
     lower rear of the wheelwell where the shop had cut into the outer
     wheelhouse in their removal of the quarter.  Now, in fairness,
     this portion of the wheelhouse may have been rusted along with
     the quarter, but by leaving the gap they have guaranteed that
     water/mud/etc will be splashed into the trunk by the tire.

     Now, given that the Carlisle car was not a concourse restoration
     by any stretch of the imagination, it would have been an easy
     task to close out this gap by welding in an additional piece of
     sheetmetal (not pretty, but effective).  The correct solution
     (assuming this area had been rusted and this was not just due to
     the careless removal of the old quarter) would have been the
     replacement of the outer wheelhouse.

How about the trunk extension piece that welds on from the back side?
Mine is dented.  Should I replace it or have it rebended into shape?

     Not sure what you mean here.  Are you referring to the trunk lip which
     holds the weatherstrip?  If so, I don't know where you would get a
     replacement, other than from a donor car.  I'm not aware that this
     part is being repro'd.  Also, be careful with the use of repro
     quarters.  They do not appear to reach all the way across the
     horizontal surface between the crease along the top edge of the
     quarter and the trunk lid.  The factory quarter stamping actually
     included this horizontal section and the downturned lip which forms
     the edges of the trunk opening.  As a result, you will need to reuse
     at least some of the original sheetmetal if you are using the repro
     quarters.

     Good luck.  I'm glad to see that you are able to finally get the car
     back into shape.  I must caution you that I've seen a lot of poor
     workmanship in quarter panel replacement, as this is a very difficult
     task to do properly.  I trust you've found a reputable, experienced
     body shop and have checked their work with prior customers.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 12:15:33 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: More Carlisle notes

Were there many good solid Convertible 70-72 for around the 5 thousand mark
For sale there

Robert Schinkel



     Going rate seemed to be more like $7000+.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 11:48:58 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: General question

>How about the trunk extension piece that welds on from the back side?
>Mine is dented.  Should I replace it or have it rebended into shape?
>
>     Not sure what you mean here.  Are you referring to the trunk lip which
>     holds the weatherstrip?

FWIW, I took this to mean the wheel arch extension, between the trunk
floor and the inner edge of the quarter panel...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:02:55 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Toro List

Padavano.Joe wrote:
>
>  Mike,
>
>  In the interest of diversity (latest corporate buzzword), I suggest
>  you also open the Toro list to 68-69 H/Os as well.  After all, these
>  cars were built with Toro shortblocks.

Hang on...  (Whatdaya say, folks?  Really?  OK, I'll tell him.)

Sorry, Joe.  Two thumbs down.   :(

>  I'll understand if you choose to exclude those with bubbly window
>  tint.

Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?   :o

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: List Members Meeting in Lansing

I was talking to fellow list member over the phone and he failed to see the
post on the meeting on Thursday for the List Members.
  Could that info be posted again to be sure everyone gets to know about it.

Thanks

Everett Horton  OCAª 1961  1961 Starfire

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:13:31 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Toro List

>Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?   :o

Probably all kill yourselves, I imagine.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Tool Name?

I'm working on my girlfriend's M*zda 626 replacing the front struts and there
seems to be a tool specifically to hold the shock strut from spinning while
you tighten down the nut (on top) which allow the ass'y to be bolted to the
car.

Olds Content: there seems to be similar setup on the olds which calls to
special tool BT-6515 (in my 66 manual).

What is this thing called and how do I keep the strut on either car from
spinning while tightening down the nut which bolts the top of the front
shock to the car?

Any help is appreciated, I'm off to Sears at lunch Ca. time....

thanks, see you in Lansing!
cf

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 10:29:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: I'm Back

Hi Folks! After a longish absence I've decided to resubscribe.

John Pajak
Lexington Park MD
JSPajak@rocketmail.com

My old email address is still good:
Pajak_John%pax1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil

1970 442 W30 conv
1972 442 W30 conv
1970 Cutlass W31
1972 Delta 88 conv
+ others!





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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:48:01 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank?

Scott R Clark wrote:
>
> > >As for a heat source, I'm looking at a couple
> > >possibilites--there are heating elements that float that are designed to
> > >keep livestock watering tanks from freezing in the winter, but I do'nt
> > >know if they would get hot enough.  And, if they're aluminum they won't
> > >work since the lye will dissolve them.  Something to think about anyway.
> >
> > How 'bout some electric hot water heater elements mounted in the lid?  Or
> > since you said you fill it only 3/4 full, maybe you could mount a couple in
> > a removable rack that hangs from the top of the drum and immerses the
> > elements in the water.  You'd just have to make sure that you keep the
> > electrical terminals *out* of the water or things will get a *lot* hotter
> > than you want them. :)  I'm not sure what hot water heater elements are 
made
> > of but I think they're copper.  Dunno what that would do in a lye solution.
> > I think most big heaters use two elements, so you'd probably need two for
> > your tank.
>
>         Good idea.  I've been thinking about a similar setup too, but I
> keep forgetting to look for them when I'm at the hardware store.  There
> are two holes in the lid (a "pour" hole, and a small "intake" hole to let
> air into the drum as it's drained) and they look like they would work
> great for running wires to the elements.  As far as putting copper into
> the lye, the only thing I've seen it do is turn black, with a sort of
> oxidized finish.  Since copper oxidizes green, I guess it's not that, but
> maybe it's leaving some sort of deposit on it.
>
> >
> > You might think about putting the elements on a thermostat or timer if
> > you're going to leave it unattended a long time.  (I don't know how long 
you
> > need to keep parts in a hot tank to clean them completely.)  I'd kinda 
worry
> > about getting things *too* hot and burning down the house or something if
> > you leave it for more than an hour or so.  A fuse or circuit breaker in 
line
> > with  the elements might not be a bad idea either.
>
>         I've got an old time switch that I could run it through, and use
> the garage circut breaker (the drum is actually out behind the gargage) if
> I wanted to leave it by itself for any length of time.  I try to be around
> for that sort of thing...just in case. :)
>
> >
> > I've never tried it but it might be worth kicking the idea around and
> > pricing some elements at the local hardware store.
>
>         Definetly.  All I need to do now is remember them when I'm at the
> hardware store.
>
>                                 Scott
>                         1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
Scott why not try mounting the heater elements in the lid of the barrel
ant cutting the bottom of it off?


Terry Teague
69 Delta Custom
dawgs@conninc.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:45:03 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank?

Scott R Clark wrote:
>
> > Scott just wondering how are you neutralizing the lye on the parts?
> > Sound like a great idea. I will probably make one for myself.  Thanks
> > Terry
>
>         Well, there are a couple ways-- One, you can take another
> container full of water, and dip the parts in it, slosh them around etc.
> and then dry them (this works best when the parts are small, and really
> clean, like when they get cooked really good) or you can just take them to
> the alley and hose them off really good.  This works pretty good to get
> some of the residual chunks off the parts too.  Just be sure to dry
> everything
> quick, since the metal will be a clean bare surface and the water will
> make it rust in a really big hurry.  Thats really about all thats needed
> to neutralize it.  If you use the bucket method of rinsing them, it would
> probibly be a good idea to change the water in it periodically since it
> will get more and more basic as you rinse more parts, kind of defeating
> the purpose :)  Anyway, hope this helps!
>
>                                 Scott
>                         1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
Thanks Scott that is good enough for me!

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:54:09 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: email list

Don Sowers wrote:
>
> W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > my computer [ibm aptiva] will not allow email to be sent when subject 
collum
> > is blank.      is there another way to access majordomo@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>
> I, too, have an IBM Aptiva.  I get on the net with the Microsoft
> software that was on the hard drive when I got it and have noticed no
> particular problems.  I can't remember if I've always used a subject or
> not but I will try it to find out.
>
> Don Sowers
It is not your computer, it is AOL. They don't allow e-mail with out
subjects. I would suggest trying to get on the sight rocket mail. You
can get your mail there or tell the to e-mail your other address at
AOL..The address is http://www.rocketmail.com  and it is free


Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom
dawgs@conninc.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:57:24 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Intro and part needed

M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
>  Don,
> I too am looking for a left axle for my 69 Cutlass S convertible. It is
> white with a black interior. If you find a source of either repair or
> replacement I would appreciate if you would let me know. Likewise I will
> inform you if I find something.
> My axle is from the 12 bolt diff. and is type "O" (no "c" clips).
> Yours sounds strange. If it is a type "C", it should have c clips and a 10
> bolt diff. How many splines does it have? Mine is 28.
>
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/newcomer.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, July 26, 1997 1:51 PM
> Subject: Intro and part needed
>
> >Hi, all.
> >
> >I live in Western Mass and have a 1969 442 converitble - white with with
> >uphostery and blue carpet and dash. It's got the 400 engine and automatic
> >trans with dual gate console shifter.  The car actually belongs to my son,
> >but he leaves it at home, rather than risk it in Boston (no safe place to
> >park
> >it).
> >
> >I'm looking for a left axle.  My mechanic says I need a "12 bolt system c"
> >axel.  It isn't held in by a c-clip, and Year One described it as being a
> >"12-bolt with a ten bolt cover."  They didn't have the part.
> >
> >I've got the list of Olds parts & accessories from the 442 site, but most
> >of the businesses are closed for the weekend.  The few I reached didn't
> >have the part.
> >
> >Got a couple of racing supply places to check on Monday and the mechanic
> >is checking with a yard he knows of in Florida.
> >
> >Does anyone know whether the old axle can be repaird by turning true and
> >pressing on a sleeve?  I've heard of this being done of other (non auto)
> >applications, so I'm wondering if this is an reasonable alternative to a
> >new (i.e., expensive) shaft or used shaft.
> >
> >TIA for any help.
> >
> >Don Sugarman
> >Pittsfield, MA
> >
> >sugarman@berkshire.net
hello I have a rearend off a 68 delta custom that I will be parting out
in the near future. the rearend is basd and I have a good one to replace
it with, I don't know if the axels will exchange or not but, I would
think they would.

Terry Teague
1968 Delta Custom
dawgs@conninc.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Tool Name?

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Chris Fair wrote:

>
> Olds Content: there seems to be similar setup on the olds which calls to
> special tool BT-6515 (in my 66 manual).
>
> What is this thing called and how do I keep the strut on either car from
> spinning while tightening down the nut which bolts the top of the front
> shock to the car?
>

Not sure what it's called, but I have one.  I got it at a FLAPS (friendly
local auto parts store) about 20 year.  It's got a type of wrench handle
with a hardend steel hinged plate on the end with about 3 or 4 differenct
sized slots - since it is for generic applications.  The slots are
something like
 ___
(___)

But a longnosed vise grips migth work, too.  But not on the hardened strut
rod.

Good luck.

Don Sugarman
'69 442   | '85 Custom Cruiser  |  '92 Bravada   |  '94 LSS  |
'74 Fiat X-1/9

'89 Jeep Grand Wagoneer for sale, BTW

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:10:48 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Toro List

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> >Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?   :o
>
> Probably all kill yourselves, I imagine.  :-)

Prolly.   ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:14:43 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: [Toro] Stranded in Tucson

Anybody on the Olds list able to help Jay out?  Reply directly to
mailto:jay@buseng.com or mailto:toro@armchair.mb.ca

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

> I had to leave my '66 Toro ("Moe" - 2d of 3) in Tucson while trying
> to bring it home.  The long grade at Indio, California (while towing
> a Javelin!) was enough to make it run very hot.  At the very least,
> head gasket blown; at most, more severe (valves, etc.) problems.
>
> A gas station was kind enough to let me park it there, but I don't
> want to impose on their patience any longer than necessary.
>
> My question - are there any list members in the area who can suggest
> a local mechanic (capable, honest, ?) to install head gaskets, and
> thoroughly check it out for other problems and the source of
> overheating  in preparation for my return trip?

> Jay


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:38:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts Interchange Question

Hi Greg
  No these are not the same

  77 - 78 show ª 554331  (alum)
  79       shows  22500993  (steel)
these are interchangable though

  80 - 85 show 22509629 (steel)
                      562784     (alum)

all wagons are different


Everett  OCAª1961

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 13:48:07 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Toro List

Mike (two "e"s, no "s") Frederick asked:

>Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?   :o

Andy (killer squeegee) Green replied:

Probably all kill yourselves, I imagine.  :-)

     Hey, at least that would me he'd own an Oldsmobile!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 14:26:24 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Needed:  15x7 SSIII wheel

     Anyone have a 15x7 SSIII wheel they can part with?  I need the early
     style with the bolt-on center.  All I need is the wheel; center/trim
     ring/bezels not required (but considered).  If you need it, I have a
     later style 15x7 with snap-in center that I can trade.  Please email
     me privately.

     Thanks

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:55:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Value

i totaly agree there wern't that many made in 70.
go for it!!!!

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 14:53:53 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you? - please update me

Whoever was keeping the Lansing List, here is an update from me.  It seems
that the wife and new kid are coming so the 442 stays home and the LSS is
comin', softer suspension and more room for diapers.

Nicholson, Brad, Donna & Eli     Best Western       8/19-24    94 LSS

Also, I have been tied up for a while w/ new father stuff and haven't
really glanced over the digests for the past 2 weeks.  Could someone send
me the skinny on the Newsgroup's plans,  I'm putting the "@ Rocket" on my
windshield, didn't know if that was "official"  Thanks

Also could the Lansing list be sent out before 8/13, that should catch most
of us before we head out to the mother-land of Oldsmobile.

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occhome.html
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca (Updating 7/29/97)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:06:16 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Part needed

Doug,
Could you pass this onto the Olds list.  I don't have the address.
Thanks.  Rob


Olds list members, I have a 1966 Toronado and need some help.  I have alreadt
tried the TORO list and came up empty.  I need a replacement part that goes
onto the back of the ignition switch.  It is a black piece of plastic where the
ignition wires come together.  This box then slips onto the back of the
ignition switch.  It has about 6 sockets for wires and is a real goofy shape.
My 65 F-85 has the same one so I assume that it is the same on most GM cars
with the ignition on the dash.  I have tried about 7 places that I found in
Hemming's but have came up empty.  Any suggestions???  I know I could soder the
wires to the back of the ignition, but it would be much easier to get this
junction box.  Thanks.

Rob Fetherston
3kh8fetherst@vms.csd.mu.edu

1965 F-85  (4dr for sale)
1966 Toro

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 15:11:03 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Plastic for grilles

     Does anyone happen to know what type of plastic was used for the 1970
     442 grilles?  I currently have a damaged set which I would like to
     reassemble (jigsaw puzzle style) to run on my W-30 for now (I don't
     want to use the good set until I complete the restoration).

     While at Carlisle, I say a set for sale which had been reassembled
     using fiberglass on the backside.  While they seemed to be pretty
     solid, I worry about the quality of the structural bond between the
     fiberglass resin and the plastic (there's a reason why they make bondo
     spreaders out of plastic).  I suspect that after a few hundred miles
     of road vibration, the 'glass and plastic would separate.  Of course,
     here I'm relying on my high school experience of putting a plastic
     hood scoop on a metal hood - one difference with the grilles is that
     the coefficient of thermal expansion is much better matched with the
     'glass resin that the metal was.

     Ideally, however, I'd like to get the correct adhesive.  My experience
     with plastics is that the correct adhesive will work great, and
     nothing else will work at all.  I know the grilles aren't styrene,
     given my feeble attempt to use Testors model cement.  From the feel
     I'm thinking some kind of ABS plastic.  I vaguely recall a simple test
     for identifying the type of plastic by holding a small piece in a
     match flame and looking for the color/smoke/etc, but naturally I can't
     recall the specifics.  Anyone remember?

     The fiberglassed set I saw was being offered for sale at Carlisle for
     $100.  They looked good from about 10 feet away (the wonders of Krylon
     Dull Aluminum), but as I said, I question the durability of the bond.

     Thanks for any help.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30 (currently forced to wear Cutlass Supreme grilles)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 14:13:25 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Eastwood Old's engine paint

FYI. On Friday Eastwood's order desk said they no longer stock Olds
metallic blue engine paint. There's always Hirsch, Fusick's, Year One, etc.

I'm still off the list - problem at this end. Hopefully straightened out
soon.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:12:46 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Toro List

Padavano.Joe wrote:
>
> Mike (two "e"s, no "s") Frederick asked:

That's me.

> >Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?  :o

> Andy (killer squeegee) Green replied:
>
> Probably all kill yourselves, I imagine.  :-)

So Joe observed:

>      Hey, at least that would me he'd own an Oldsmobile!

Yeah, that would be an improvement.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 12:14:13 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Needed:  15x7 SSIII wheel

Hi Joe,

>      ring/bezels not required (but considered).  If you need it, I

How many bezels do you need?  These are the squarish (trapezoidal
acutally) type right.  Not the rounded type found on SSII rims.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 15:18:51 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Fantasy (was: Tool Name?)


Don Sugarman
'69 442   | '85 Custom Cruiser  |  '92 Bravada   |  '94 LSS  |
'74 Fiat X-1/9
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     Don,

     OK, since you brought it up, one of my fantasy cars has always been a
     Fiat X1/9 with a Toro drivetrain.  Dimensionally, there is enough room
     between the firewall and the taillights (you would lose the rear
     trunk) to fit the package, with the exception that you would have to
     remove the water pump and run a remote electric unit.  FAZA, the Fiat
     specialists, make (made?) a set of outrageous fender flares (a friend
     actually had a set on his X1/9), which would be required to cover the
     steamroller tires this wheelstander would require.  I suppose you
     would almost have to build a separate tube frame to pull this off.

     Maybe if I actually built one of these, Mike F. would finally let me
     on the Toro list ;-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:28:20 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Re: [Toro] List Members Meeting in Lansing

> I was talking to fellow list member over the phone and he failed to see the
> post on the meeting on Thursday for the List Members.
>   Could that info be posted again to be sure everyone gets to know about it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Everett Horton  OCAª 1961  1961 Starfire
>
THURSDAY, THURSDAY, THURSDAY!  August 21 1997, under the lights from 4-7 pm in
the parking lot of the beautiful Holiday Inn West - Conference Center, 7501 
West
 Saginaw, Lansing, the Oldsmobile Capital of the Nation!  Stock cars, race
cars, show cars!  The first-ever Oldsmobile/Toronado Internet and Road
Assistance get-together!  Bring your own and bring your Olds!  BE THERE!

:)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:32:55 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Toro List

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> Andrew C. Green wrote:
> >
> > >Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?   :o
> >
> > Probably all kill yourselves, I imagine.  :-)
>
> Prolly.   ;)
>
>     66 Toro
> The /\   /\ and Mike

Speak for yourself.  I have a lot of Oldsmobiles to live for.  I'll just
avoid the desecrated ones.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 14:54:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Plastic for grilles

At 03:11 PM 7/28/97 -0500, Joe Padavano wrote:
>
>     Does anyone happen to know what type of plastic was used for the 1970
>     442 grilles?  I currently have a damaged set which I would like to
>     reassemble (jigsaw puzzle style) to run on my W-30 for now (I don't
>     want to use the good set until I complete the restoration).
>

>     Thanks for any help.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30 (currently forced to wear Cutlass Supreme grilles)
>
>
>

  Joe,

  Devcon makes a general purpose plastic adhesive the bonds most platics and
is good to 250 F called Plastic Welder.  They also make one that is strictly
for plastics and epoxies called Plastic Welder II.  The McMaster Carr Part
Numbers are 75395A65 and 75395A66, respctively.  Devcon is also on the web
and a 1-800 number is listed there.  Naturally, I don't know the web
address.  Try a search.  Good Luck.



  Paul Brillhart


  1965 442 (POST COUPE.."If she's got a post, she better be a car")

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:56:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: conv. qtr. panels,question?

i was just wondering how many of you would use a used qtr. panel off a
cutlass supreme  on to a conv., or any cutlass for that matter. i have ran
accross several cars with straight  qtrs. that had some, but small amount of
rust. you know the place, lower rear near the drain plug. i hear a lot of
people looking for qtrs.and complaining of repo. quallity. i am in the
southern mid west and cars dont seem to rust as bad as other places.i have
thought   of saveing these qtrs. but wasnt sure if there would be a market
for them,or what a fair price would be.i would like to see some good
replacements as im sure all of you do,but until then? let me know what you
think, and or your comments,past experiances,ect.         please reply
steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Part needed for 66 toro

i know of some old toros and cutlass that might have plug you seek. if i go
there tomorror  i will check it out.   reply please.     steven.
  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Part needed

You need a very special piece, but if the Toro one is like the big car one,
I think the only place you'll find it is in a hacked up wiring harness
in a junk yard car. You probably shouldn't mess with soldering these wires,
its really best to have it right. You might call Mike Fusick though,
he could have a good lead for you...

cf

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 13:32:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: Part needed

===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com




- ---Douglas Kitchener  wrote:
>
> Doug,
> Could you pass this onto the Olds list.  I don't have the address.
> Thanks.  Rob
>
>
> Olds list members, I have a 1966 Toronado and need some help.  I
have alreadt
> tried the TORO list and came up empty.  I need a replacement part
that goes
> onto the back of the ignition switch.  It is a black piece of
plastic where the
> ignition wires come together.  This box then slips onto the back of
the
> ignition switch.  It has about 6 sockets for wires and is a real
goofy shape.
> My 65 F-85 has the same one so I assume that it is the same on most
GM cars
> with the ignition on the dash.  I have tried about 7 places that I
found in
> Hemming's but have came up empty.  Any suggestions???  I know I
could soder the
> wires to the back of the ignition, but it would be much easier to
get this
> junction box.  Thanks.
>
> Rob Fetherston
> 3kh8fetherst@vms.csd.mu.edu
>
> 1965 F-85  (4dr for sale)
> 1966 Toro
>
>
>
>

_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:40:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: List Members Meeting in Lansing (fwd)

This didn't make it through the first time, so I'm forwarding...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:28:20 -0400
From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>

> I was talking to fellow list member over the phone and he failed to see the
> post on the meeting on Thursday for the List Members.
>   Could that info be posted again to be sure everyone gets to know about it.
>
THURSDAY, THURSDAY, THURSDAY!  August 21 1997, under the lights from 4-7 pm in
the parking lot of the beautiful Holiday Inn West - Conference Center, 7501 
West
 Saginaw, Lansing, the Oldsmobile Capital of the Nation!  Stock cars, race
cars, show cars!  The first-ever Oldsmobile/Toronado Internet and Road
Assistance get-together!  Bring your own and bring your Olds!  BE THERE!

:)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 15:42:56 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Toro List

>>Now THERE'S a problem.  What are we gonna do if Andy buys a Toro?   :o
>
>Andy (killer squeegee) Green replied:
>
>Probably all kill yourselves, I imagine.  :-)
>
>     Hey, at least that would me he'd own an Oldsmobile!

Hey, no fair; I've owned two Oldsmobiles in a row, both Cutlasses,
plus my father had his '78 Delta 88 for ten years, not to mention a
whole bunch o' Oldsmobiles in the neighborhood whose only regular
maintenance and repair comes from yours truly. So although I am
Olds-challenged at the moment, it's not like I don't have enough
Olds experience either then or now...  All right, I admit that none
of the above has ever benefitted from window tinting...  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:43:17 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Bringing non-list-members to the Chicago meet in Union, IL

Please do.

David Brown writes:
>I'm still off the list - problem at this end. Hopefully straightened out
>soon.
>
>David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

I've sent him the info on the 8/3/1997 meet in Union IL at
the Train Museum. If you know of any others besides David who
might want to go but are not on the list at the present time,
please forward the info to them. (or contact me)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:44:38 -0700
From: Don Sugarman <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Axle needed - more info

Reagarding the axle I need for the 1969 442, y mechanic pulled the axle
and gave me the following info:

29 7/8" from drum flange to end and 28 splines.  Seal is in rear end.

(The seal in my '69 Cutlass S was outside of the bearing.)

This is an O-type axle.

He could not find any tag or codes on passenger-side axle tube.

Don Sugarman
'69 442 | '85 Custom Cruiser | '92 Bravada | '94 LSS | '74 X-1/9

Also have a '89 Jeep Grand Wagoneer for sale.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:42:04 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: 76olds984sale

I am going to re compose this message because I have gotten many
confused replys...

I have a 1976 98, 4-door.  455, TH-400?, original hub caps, needs major
body work and a new roof. original color silver with a red top.  Used to
look sharp.  It has been sitting for 2 years with out turning a single
time.  It was retired when a hole occured in the gas tank, and we got a
poly-coated gas tank back 2 months later and never put it back in.  I
would say the engine/trans would make great parts, but the frame is
still intact and worth reparing if someone really likes this car.
Everything is stock, 25gal tank, radio, A/C, power evrt. If you pay for
it to be towed you can have it for $200.00

I also have a 455 and TH-400 pulled from a '69 98.  They have been kept
together in a shed and are in descent condition, the engine is on a
movable rack you can have if you buy it.  If you pick up the
engine/trans its yours for $100.00

Both cars were owned by my father and grand-father who were both
olds-enthusists.  I bought my first olds 3 weeks ago, a 85 cutlass and
my dad was gonna junk these parts...  I told him I'll see if anyone can
put them to good use...  If you can, or have any more questions send
e-mail.

Adam Andersen
South Side of Chicago, IL

1985 Cutlass Supreme Brogham, 307.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 17:48:54 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: 85cutlassproblems--done

TO ALL WHO HELPED ME WITH MY 85 CUTLASS...

Today I replaced the plugs/wire/rotor, and found two vacum hoses that
were cut/leaking and fixed those as well.  I started her up and she had
the same great purr as before.   That small puff of smoke i saw was the
computer wires had fell onto the exauhst manifold and the protective
shell melted a little.  I fixed that as well.  I also took the car in to
get the TH-200 fixed, I was quoted $475 plus tax.  It should be done by
thursday, they said the would put in longer lasting parts, but I didnt
opt for the stage 1 shift kit  becaue i was worried about
driveshaft/axel probs.  I just bought the car and want to drive it and
so far I have put more into it in parts than what I paid for it.  When I
get it back I am putting on a muffler and exausht, flushing the
radiator, new fuel filter.  Then I can enjoy it.

Thanks,
Adam Andersen

1985 Cutlass Supreme Brogham, 307 cu in.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:53:20 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: Long trips and the big move

Hey y'all.  This summer, I'm taking the Olds to Lansing (not officially...I can
only be there for Wednesday) and I'm curious about the trip.  I'm sure the
Cutlass is itching for a nice long hiway jaunt, but I just want to make sure
that it doesn't get too excited and fall apart.  Here's my itinerary for that
week.  The Friday before (15th) is my last day of work at my job and I'm going
to start to drive up to Michigan Friday evening and continue on Saturday
morning.  I'm going to Grand Rapids to see the grandparents, which is only 
about
one hour west of Lansing along I-96!  Anyway, that Wednesday evening (20th) 
I'll
head back down to N. VA where I'll meet up with my parents and then I'll travel
down to SW. VA to Virginia Tech, where I start on Monday the 25th (8-) The
question is, should this trip spawn a concern in my mind for my beloved car?
Lessee, 650 miles up to Michigan, that's 1300 round trip and another 220 down 
to
Tech...that's 1500 miles in a week!  This might be je! lly beans to Truckers,
but I keep coming up with these horrible images in my mind of me and my Olds,
both steaming in the heat of the summer along the Pennsylvania Turnpike.  Is
there any good reason to take it to a mechanic and have him (or her...) check
anything out, in particular?  By the way, I just got back from dropping the
Cutlass off at the local speedshop for an installation of PST's
(http://www.p-s-t.com) polygraphite front end bushing kit.  My front sway bar
mount broke a while back and just new STOCK mounts did wonders on the
handling...I can't wait to get it back now.  I'll let y'all know when I get it
back.

Thanks for all of your priceless (not literally, now) help.

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 19:22:31 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed 
info
on caravan!

> Hello! I own a 70 442 and i was wondering if i should drive it to Lansing
in
> the caravan. Does anyone know if we'll be able to make stops after we
leave
> Tinley park, Illinois? What do we do if an oldsmobile in the caravan
stalls?
> Will there be trailers or tow trucks?

I don't know what the people setting up the caravan have in mind, but I
could probably tow a car on a trailer/tow dolly (neither of wich I have)
from Ceder Rapids Ia. area to Lansing if needed.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:36:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: W304421970@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68-72 Cutlass and 442 Parts

Its O' K to put your parts list out we all are looking for parts.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:04:07 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: 76olds984sale

Adam wrote:
>
> I am going to re compose this message because I have gotten many
> confused replys...

> Adam Andersen
> South Side of Chicago, IL
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Isn't Bad, Bad, Leroy Brown from there? ;)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:14:12 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: '61 Starfire Lead

Have nothing to gain by this, just thought I would post it in case
someone's interested.

One of our chapter members is selling her '61 Starfire.  It has just
completed a 4 year ground up restoration.  She has decided now that this
car is not what she wanted.  She's not into the polishing and cleaning
for judging and she can't use it "to go for ice cream."  It's Garner Red
with a red leather interior and a black top.  I haven't seen the car for
about a year, and it wan't finished then.  She's asking $32,000.
Contact me if interested and I can put you in touch with her.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:21:12 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: LANSING LIST UPDATED!

Hello everyone, well since I'm such a nice guy (Well....I like to think
so!) I decided I'd type this entire list out one more time. I'd like to
ask everyone who does not have a copy of this list to please print it
out if you want it, it takes a very long time to type, thanx in advance,

Cliff McFarlane
62 Starfire conv
63 Starfire sport coupe

Well here's the list:
________________________________________________________________________
  NAME       HOTEL           DATE  CAR
  ====       =====           ====  ===
Adams, Tom     Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta Convertible
Allen, Joseph     Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
Beaulieu, Greg     Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
Bicker, Steve     Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass Supreme
Culp, Bill           Park Inn Int         8/21-24   62 Jetfire
Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
Glista, Nikki        Holiday West         8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
Glista, Richard      Holiday West         8/19-24   68 442
Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
Kitchner, Doug       Holiday West         8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday West         8/19-24   63 Starfire coupe
Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
O'Connor, Peg        Holiday West         8/19-24   none
Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
Westlake, Steve      Holiday West         8/19-24   63 98
Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
________________________________________________________________________
LIST TOTAL = 49 People

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:29:01 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: What's it worth, revisited...

WARNING! Non-Olds Content

OK, folks, don't lynch me for straying into Buick territory, your
Administrator started it!

The new Hemmings came today and I was flipping through on my way to the
"O" section.  A picture ad in the Buick section caught my eye, because
we had talked about a similar vehicle here a little while back.  Ad
reads:

1973 Buick LeSabre 4-dr hdtp, blk w/burgandy color, in storage 12 yrs,
has 8,000.  7,666 when gotten out of storage, one owner, perfect
body/radio, a/c, p/l, auto column, pb, 4-bbl 350 eng, needs driving, new
tires, perfect shape bumper to bumper, want $15000, cashier's check.
334-272-XXXX (number not published to protect the innocent), leave
message, will return call, Montgomery, AL.

There ya go, Bill!

Why, oh why, can't it be a Delta!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:56:45 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: More Carlisle notes

Padavano.Joe wrote:

<snip>

>      Took a close look at the giveaway car.  This is a 70 Cutlass Supreme
>      Convert done up as a 442 W-30 clone (cosmetically only).  The car has
>      an original hood and a decklid wing, but has retained the 350/TH350
>      column shift drivetrain.  My first reaction was, for the money they
>      have into this thing, they could have at least dropped in a 455!  The
>      car also has the later-style SSIII wheels with the snap-in centers.
>      Rear quarters have been replaced, and there were gaps inside the rear
>      wheelwells where the replacement panels were welded which were not
>      sealed up.  Too bad.

<snip>

Hey Joe,
The funniest part of this is that when they gave the car away on Sunday,
they said they bought it 2 years ago in the car coral and thought it was
a REAL '70 442 W30 ragtop!

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:52:17 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: What's it worth, revisited...

At 09:29 PM 7/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>1973 Buick LeSabre 4-dr hdtp, blk w/burgandy color, in storage 12 yrs,
>has 8,000.  7,666 when gotten out of storage, one owner, perfect
>body/radio, a/c, p/l, auto column, pb, 4-bbl 350 eng, needs driving, new
>tires, perfect shape bumper to bumper, want $15000, cashier's check.
>334-272-XXXX (number not published to protect the innocent), leave
>message, will return call, Montgomery, AL.
>
>There ya go, Bill!
>
>Why, oh why, can't it be a Delta!

Boy, even if that were a Delta 88, c'mon, a 4-door, 350-equipped '73?
$15,000??? Even if he dropped it by $10,000, it would be more than I'd pay
for such a thing. I'd still rather have a 2-door, 455-powered Delta with
100,000 miles on it, than an 8,000 mile car like that. Just think what other
cars you could get, Olds or Buick, for $15,000! That would buy a nice
455-powered convertible, of either make!

I still maintain that such a car has little intrinsic collector value,
though it might be worth that much to someone for sentimental value. Also, I
don't car how few miles it has on it; sitting that long, lots of rubber
pieces are going to need replacing.

I'd like to know if anyone ever sells their cars for such prices.

Would anyone here pay $15,000 for such a car, if it _were_ a Delta 88 (same
options, 4-door, 350, etc.)?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:58:54 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Value

Patrick Derkacz wrote:
>
> I am thinking of buying a 1970 W-31 which needs a complete resto( New
> quarters, doors, drivers front floor pan, Interior, grilles) The car
> appears to be all original with the correct w-31 parts plus ralley-pac
> and sport steering wheel.  What is a fair price?  I can get the car for
> ~3000.  What do you guys(gender neutral) think
>
> patrickd@wwnet.com

Well, at spring Carlisle there was a decent '70 W-31 (yes Chris, it was
a post car;-) for about $7K.  Methinks you'd probably have to put more
than that into it from the description.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 05:51:44 +0000
From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Subject: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

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Organization:  USS Boxer (LHD 4)
To:            M6459@boxer.navy.mil
Date:          Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:55:12 +0000
Subject:       (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
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Subject:       Great Sex!!!!!

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Submitted by: James Anthony Savage

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