
oldsmobile-digest           Sunday, 29 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 736

Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: Lansing - Where are you? 
442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
Re: Lansing - Where are you?    
Re: Non-Olds (Re: What is wrong with today's youth?)
Puttin' Out the Fire with Gasoline
Re: Insurance Comapnies
Re: electronic ignitions
Lansing List
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
[Fwd: Re: Car update]
Re: Lansing - Where are you?    
Re: electronic ignitions
And now: Olds content, was: What is wrong with today's youth?
'66 Toro for sale
FS:  '66 Cutlass
Re: '66 Toro for sale
HEI Question
my 1/4 time with my 80 442
List Member ID Buttons Available
Re: Lansing List
Parting out '75 Olds 98
Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door
Duel gate
Re: Duel gate
Iola Old Car Show
Re: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)
[Fwd: PARTS FOR SALE]
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Re: HEI Question
Re: HEI Question
Re: Puttin' Out the Fire with Gasoline
Re: Lansing - Where are you?
SB intman available, etc.
dates and events of Lansing

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:19:26 -0500
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

JR wrote:
> 
> Justin Koval wrote:
> >
> > I'm 16..there is nothing wrong with us!
> 
> >I have a job, but I still can not afford that much money a month.
> 
> I'm 33 years old, and I have the same problem :). What I see in some of
> the teenagers out there is a lack of appreciation for what they do have.
> Mon and Dad buy them a nice car, and they take it out and destroy it.
> O'course, that isn't a *new* phenomenon....
> 
> JR

Yeah that and this baggy-pants backwards-baseball hat business. Whats UP
with THAT anyway??? =)
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:27:35 -0500
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

> 
> AMEN! I was waiting for that one. I am 22 and make 55K a year
 When I told my Dad how much I was a
> paying a month for insurance he almost had a heart attack!
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

Did you ask him for a raise??
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:57:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you? 

In a message dated 97-06-28 04:32:50 EDT, you write:

<< > This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
 > 
 > NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
 > ====                       =====             =====     ===
 > Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
 > Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
 > Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
 > Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
 > Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
 > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
 > Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
 > Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
 > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
 > McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
 > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
 > Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
 > Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
 > Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
 >  (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife &
kid)
 > Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
 > Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
 > Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
   Kitchener, Doug       Holiday West      8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv

   Bicker, Steve           Quality Suites     8/19-24     67 442 Saffron
Yellow
  >>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 08:53:12 -0400
Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

                              C&M Classic Parts
**** New stuff to list****
___________________________________________________ 
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hucaps (very, very nice)  $130.00 set
66/67 Dash Pad (very good, black)  $125.00  
67 LH Fender Eyebrow Molding (excellent) $35.00
67 LH Fender (Arizona part) Very nice  $350.00
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00
67 Cutlass Hood (Arizona part, nice)  $250.00
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 442 Hood (rust free)  $130.00
68 Headlight Plastic Bezels (mint pair)  $250.00 pr
68/69 442 Front Fenders (need small patch)  $100.00 pr
68/69 Front Wheel well moldings (excellent)  $100.00 pr
69 442 Trunk Lid (mint)  $175.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $$160.00 set
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 442 Rear Bumper  (good cond, some small pitts above one cutout)  $125.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 RH Top Fender Moldings (mint)  $40.00
69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $380.00
69 RH Fender (same)  $380.00
69 Front Bumper (mint) $225.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00
69 Core Support (3 Row Radiator, nice)  $175.00
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $200.00 pr
69 Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
69-72 Column Shift Tilt Wheel  $110.00
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
69 Fender Eyebrow Moldings  (nice)  $60.00 pr
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors   (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 4, nice)  $160.00 set
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (nice)  $75.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  (mint)  $225.00
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
68 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $25.00
68 Under Dash Map Light  (nice)  $20.00
69 442 Hood Tongue (mint)  $35.00
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea                  
70-72 455 Engine Mounts  $40.00 pr                                           
68-72 350 Engine Mounts  $38.00 pr                                           
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr                             
70 TH350 Trans (Built for 550+hp, shiftkit, HD parts, w/converter)  $350.00
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00
72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________     
66-67 425/400 Fuel Pump (N.O.S.)  $40.00                           
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                           
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                       
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $70.00 ea                             
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea               
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr                          
71-72 LH Sport Mirror-Remote (N.O.S.)  $125.00 ea              
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea                              
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $90.00 pr          
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea               
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea            
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________      
64 Cutlass/442                       
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $40.00                                                   
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $8.00 ea                                            
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00                                      
V-8 Emblem  $5.00                                                             

66 Cutlass/442
66-69 SSI Wheels  $40.00 ea                                               
Headlight Bezels  $40.00 pr                                                  
Cutlass Front Grille  $40.00                                                  
LH Rear side molding  $10.00                                              
Front Bumper Cores  $45.00 ea                                           
Rear Bumper Cores  $45.00 ea                                            
Rear Window Molding Set  $65.00 set                                  
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr                        
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea                                  

67 Cutlass/442
Cutlass Headlight Bezels  $55.00 pr                                    
Supreme/442 Side Moldings  $15.00 ea piece                       
Rear Window Molding Set  $65.00 set                                  
Front Bumper Cores  $45.00 ea                                           
Rear Bumper Cores  $45.00 ea                                           
A Pillar Moldings  $15.00 pr                                              
Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $20.00 ea                                

68 Cutlass/442
68 Cutlass/442 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $45.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00                              
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea                                            
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $25.00 pr 

69 Cutlass/442
442 Grilles (nice)  $180.00 pr                                               
Hood Tongue  $15.00 ea                                                     
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                                       
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr                                          
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr                                        
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set                                 
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                                

70 Cutlass/442
SSII Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
S Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr                                        
S Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr                                        
Cutlass Supreme RH Door (rust free)  $110.00                       
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00                                  
Black A/C and Non A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea                  
Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)                  
70-71  Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (needs patch panel)   $100.00                               
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits)  $8.00 pr

71 Cutlass/442
Cutlass Supreme Grilles   $125.00
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 4)  $160.00                                       
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
SSII/III Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00                                          
72 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (excellent)  $110.00 set  
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00

Toronado Parts
66-67 Toronado Chrome Dash Bezel (Mint)  $40.00
66-68 Toronado Pitman Arm (excellent cond) GM  $45.00              
66-? Toronado Front Brake Drum  $15.00                               
66-69 Toronado Interior Moldings (Ivory)  $5.00 ea                   
66-69 Toronado LH & RH Rear Side Windows  $30.00 ea        
66-68 Toronado Back Glass  $40.00                                      
68-69 Toronado Headlight Vacuum Module  $40.00                
                          

We are considering reproducting the extremely rare 66 Tri-carb Shroud
assembly if we get 10-20 orders. It won't be cheap to do this. This is the
chrome top shroud and the black lower. It will be made of fiber glass and
plastic chrome plated. Prices will be around $550.00 ea and will look
correct but won't cost an arm and a leg. Considerations for the part will be
made by 1 Aug 97. The mold will be taken from an original shroud assembly we
have. Please Email us with the title "Shroud".  The reproduction 70-72
Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicators $24.00 ea. plus $3.00 shipping.
We have also reproduced the 63 Starfire console shift lens $35.00 plus $3.00
shipping. We have recieved a 67-69 2 spd auto shift lens and will be
reproducing these for the Jetaway Trans. cars. Looking for a decent 64-66
auto trans shift lens for reference to reproduce.

Jim Chermack
OCA #24275
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
'72 442
'86 Ninety Eight
'94 Cutlass Supreme  
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:00:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?    

This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
 
NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
====                       =====             =====     ===
Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
 (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
Kitchener, Doug      Holiday West     8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv 
Bicker, Steve          Quality Suites    8/19-24      67 442 Saffron Yellow
Hartlieb, Paul          Marriott East     8-19-23       67 Ninety Eight


        I'll try to keep this updated daily. It's starting to get bigger.

Jim Chermack

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 09:33:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Non-Olds (Re: What is wrong with today's youth?)

I wrote:
> > 
> > More often than not, the kids of which they worry turn into adults that 
> > rise to the tasks at hand.  Sometimes rather spectacularly, too.
>

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike give the example:

> On the other hand, sometimes they turn into Bill and Hillary.   :o

And for every Bill and Hillary, you can find a Colin Powell or a Stephen
Hawking... go back a generation, and you can find an FDR or a Winston Churchill
- -- whose teachers and parents didn't think he'd amount to much :)
 
> > Tim (Right on the Cusp of Baby-Booming/Gen X'ing) Churchill
> 
> Come on, Tim!  Pick a side!

Well, I was born 15 days before 1960... the Baby-boomers are generally grouped
in the 1945-1960 births, while the range of Gen X is -- I read somewhere
once -- 1960 - 1975.

I'll just take the best of both groups, and make it my own, thank you very
much Gramps :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 10:03:47 -0400
Subject: Puttin' Out the Fire with Gasoline

Gee, I didn't realize the firestorm I'd start with... gasoline :) :)

> > > As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
> > > remember)
> > >
> > > Stephen Hoover
> > 
> > Why?  When adjusted for inflation, gas is the cheapest it's EVER been,
> > even at $1.25/gal for regular.
> > 
> > Tim (You Can Lookit Up) Churchill

> Tim,
> 
> Recalculate and see if 25.9 cents per gallon in Dayton in 1970 still
> computes to today's ripping.  They obviously had agood old fashion gas
> war going on for a year or so.  When is the last time anyone had a gas
> war going that was worth it?
> 
> Don Sowers

Well, lessee... an engineer in 1970 right outta school made... what?
6K, maybe 7K?  As opposed to the 40 - 45K they make now.  I don't have
pure inflation figures between then and now -- and granted, there'd be
discussion as to what that number would be, as different things inflated
(or deflated) in price at different rates since then, but if we go by
salaries (and what was the min. wage then?  Still just $1?) then and now,
I come up with a factor of at least 5 or 6.  OK, so it's pretty close.
Without a lot of the taxes (see below), that would bring today's fuel
way down in cost .vs. 1970.

Shang wrote:
> 
> Who runs regular in a '70 Cutlass?

Dunno, I don't run it in a '67 CS either :), I just used regular gas
as an example.

> Inflation is one thing, a 40 cent tax is another.

I have to agree with you here; I too have a problem with the way gas is taxed,
or perhaps more with where the tax money goes -- i.e., not directly into
infrastructure and other related areas.  I would however also like to know
what the tax figures per gallon were in,say, 1970, and work the percentages
between then and now.


BTW, I filled up Big Red w/93 Octane at an Exxon station just this morning...
$1.37/gal.  In the fair Commonwealth known to some as 'Tax'-achusetts :)

The only thing that hurts is that I know it's even cheaper in NJ --
Full Service there, too!



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:25:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Insurance Comapnies

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:


> 
>         Depending on how often you drive your car and for what reasons will
> make a huge difference in insurance price. I used to have a regular full
> coverage policy on my SX. It was very expensive for how much I drove the
> car. I have went to a company by the name J. C. Taylor. My insurance costs
> me $126.00 per year. That is Full covereage with no deductible and a
> apprasied value of $14000.00. There are limitations on this insurance. No
> more than 2500 miles a year, can NOT drive it to and from work, IS in a
> locked garage and such. For my purposes this works great for the two of my
> cars I have insured this way. What out for "stated value" coverage. It DOES
> NOT mean you get $5000 or whatever iat the time of loss. That just means
> that the most they will pay is $5000. If the car appreciates you will loose
> out. They may not even offer to pay the $5000 if YOU can't prove the car was
> worth that much. Shop smartly and ask lots of questions. Good luck!
> 
> Jim Chermack

Jim those rates sound great...I would be able to meet those limitations,
however my car is modified from stock and I occasionally run it at the
dragway...

Anybody out there have a modified street/strip car with this
insurance????

Thanks!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:04:46 -0700
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

MROTHE wrote:

> course you know if you use the HEI, your stock 442 air cleaner won't
> fit  without minor modification with a 20 lb. sledge-hammer......

Can someone please tell me then what would have come originally with
a car (air cleaner) if it had an HEI unit on it?

Chris Sparks
68 442 
82 DRB

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:32:45 -0500
Subject: Lansing List

NAME                       HOTEL             DATES        CAR
====                       =====             =====        ===
Beaulieu, Greg            Hampton Inn        8/18-23      none
Hirtle, Don               Hampton            8/18-23      none
Penny, Steve              Hampton            8/18-23      none
Smith, Brian              Hampton            8/18-23      none
Stewart, Sandy            Hampton            8/18-23      none
Chermack, Jim             Mariott East       8/18-25      70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug             Holt, MI             all        none yet
Easton, Jeff              Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22      70 442 black
Hendley, Daren            Ramada             8/20-24      none
McFarlane, Cliff          Holiday West       8/19-23      63 Starfire
Westlake, Steve           Holiday West       8/19-23      63 - 98
Glista, Richard           Holiday West       8/19-23      68 - 442
Wilson, Jim               none               8/19-23      64 Stafire
Nicholson, Brad           Best Western       8/19-24      87 442 (Just
Me)
 (w/ Donna & Eli)         Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife
& kid)
Matt Cremean              Blissfield, MI     8/21         73 Cutlass
Supreme
Dan Gulino                Sleep Inn          8/20-24      75 Delta 88
Conv
Johnson, Ernie            Ramada             8/20-24      67-442

There, just thought I'd clean it up for you. Looks good gang, keep 'em
comin'.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
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CreamerSoft© Software
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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:33:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> Oh Daaaannnnnnnn.....I have a little neighborhood Mobil that sells its
> Premium 93 octane for $1.33 a gallon - a full .20 cheaper then anyone else.
>  I keep wondering when the 'other' guys are gonna figure out that his never
> empty pumps probably net him the biggest profit!

HA! Our Mobil is 1.29 for the good stuff!

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft© Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 07:10:50 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Car update]

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I am sending this again since I got no response.  Please help me on
the questions.

Thanks in advance.

Chris Sparks
68 442 (SC)
82 DRB
68 442 (HTC) Soon to be?

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Some of you may remember that I was looking to purchase a 1968 442 HT
to use as a parts car for my 1968 442 Sports Coupe.  This car that I am
planning to buy contain stuff that I need to fix my current one as well
as provide some niceties wish-list type of components.  I am planning
on taking the power window and install them on my crank-style windows.
I believe that Joe Padavano stated that these are bolt on replacements
providing I get the regulators, wiring harness, and motors.  Are the
doors/door glass different on the Sports Coupe -vs- the Hard Top Coupe??
How about the door inserts?  Will I have to cut a hole out of my
current's or should I reskin the donor car's instead?

If I use her front disc brakes, which are probably 4-piston type, should
I get a 1-piston type instead and sell her's off?  Is their a market
for 4-piston type brakes?

She also has a map light under he dash, is this hard to put in mine?
The wiring, installation, ya know?

I have also been playing with the idea of restoring the other car too
when I
got the chance.  Did HT of this year come with crank windows?  I was
thinking
about swaping the window controlling systems.

Oh BTW, how easy/hard is it to take off the rear bumper?  I haven't
figured this one out yet.

I haven't been able to determine if the donor car, or mine for that
matter,
has posi in it or not.  Maybe when I get it up on a lift, I can scrub
that
axle till I get a number.  Does anyone have a list of numbers for rear
ends
that they could post on this list?  Once I find the codes, I will be
anxious
to look them up.  I don't see any tags, however, that doesn't mean a
thing
since these probably broke off over time or was never put back on by
mechanics.

Another question:  This donor car has a sports outside mirror, which of
course
I will want to use.  The question is should I use what I have (standard
mirror)
and have it mounted on the right side?  Would this be acceptable say if
I were
to show the car?  Will the sport's mirror work in the current hole in
the door
as for the standard mirror?

My head hurts from writing all these questions.  I am sorry for my
e-mail's 
terseness.  Please RSVP soon since the owner of the other car will be
looking
for another and I may be buying the 442 from her on Sunday.

Thanks in advance

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

- --------------71DEE8B76035323D32FCBE36--

------------------------------

From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 12:14:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?    

> > NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
> > ====                       =====             =====     ===
> > Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
> > Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
> > Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
> > Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
> > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
> > McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
> > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
> > Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
> > Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
> > Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
> >  (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
> > Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
> > Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
> > Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
>   Kitchener, Doug       Holiday West      8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv 

Add me in:

O'Connor, Peg		Holiday West	8/19-8/24	none

8)
peg

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 13:05:09 +0600
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

>MROTHE wrote:
>
>> course you know if you use the HEI, your stock 442 air cleaner won't
>> fit  without minor modification with a 20 lb. sledge-hammer......
>
>Can someone please tell me then what would have come originally with
>a car (air cleaner) if it had an HEI unit on it?

An air cleaner with a big dimple in the back of the base to clear the
distributor.  I looked for one in the 'yard when I switched to HEI but
couldn't find one for a 2-BBL.  I bought an aircleaner from a 2-BBL non-HEI
car (didn't want to mess up my original, and it had a bigger snorkel anyway)
and pounded a dimple in it with a 25oz hammer.  Use a body spoon or a
reasonable facsimile if you don't want to leave hammer marks in the metal.
Another option is to cut enough out of the aircleaner base to clear the HEI.

Hope I was of some help.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme


>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442 
>82 DRB
>

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:01:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: And now: Olds content, was: What is wrong with today's youth?

In a message dated 97-06-28 06:00:20 EDT, you write:

> 
>  What is wrong with todays kids?  Mainly yesterdays kids. Yes, we adults
>  have given the kids most of what they want (or what we think they want).
>  
I have to agree with that. I am getting on in years and my family still does
the birthday thing for me and my brothers. Of late it is difficult for others
to get me practical presents. When the folks asked me if there was anything
that I wanted for my birthday I said sure, I need a torque wrench.

They gave me a rubber duck.

I am not making it up, but I guess it is a joke.

See Soylent Ocean Mist and my rubber duck at my web page, recent (5 minutes
from now) additions include new URL's for Chuck Buehner's Home Page (Rocket
Talk) and Wizzy's (they will/have moved to www.wizzys.com).

Thanks all and keep Oldsmobiling.

  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Effective Grease Rags?

------------------------------

From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 11:04:14 -0700
Subject: '66 Toro for sale

I'm also sending this to the Toro list, although I'm not a member.  I
hope it gets through. . .

Was out cruising around last night with my fiance', and a '67 Toro
parked beside us.  Nice car, but not without problems (some rust, bad
paint).  After I finished drooling I explained all about what the Toro
was to her and that it was FWD.  She think it's pretty stylin'.

Anyways, later on we went past a used car dealer (closed, of course) and
there's a shiny red '66 Toro sitting out front!  I had to get out and
look at it, and here's what I saw.  If anyone in the Spokane, WA area in
interested, then let me know and I'll find out more details.  A red '66
toro, good paint, no rust, almost all options, original 425 rebuilt in
1990 (with recepits), 90k miles, no dents, perfect interior, no missing
trim.  The sheet on it said it was brought up from California and sold
by the original owner (who's name was listed too).  No price listed. 
I'd rate it about a low #2 or high #3 condition.

And another Toro story:  Went camping last weekend and saw a blue Toro
in a yardfull of cars (there was also an A body Cutlass there, but in
sad shape) just north of Priest River, ID.  Not sure what year
(66-67ish), and I didn't get too close of a look, but it looked in one
piece and all there.  From the grass and pine needles on it I'd say that
it hasn't run in a while.  I'll be up again that way in a few weeks,
maybe I should ask about it.

Another question for the masses here:  Does anyone use those California
Car Dusters?  Do they work?  Scratches?  I recently started working for
a concrete company (LAN Admin) and it gets just a tad dusty down there
:-(.  I thought it was quite cool that they have one really nice cement
truck that they keep really clean for parades and such that has chrome
wheels and hot rod flames on the truck and mixer!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:25:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: FS:  '66 Cutlass

My husband's cousin is looking to sell his car....

Has been stored in a garage

1966 Cutlass, 4 door  *37,500 original miles*
Power steering, power brakes, show ready
330, automatic

$8,200 or best offer

Owner lives in Tennessee, car is now in PA

615-723-0909, Mike

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 15:50:04 -0700
Subject: Re: '66 Toro for sale

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> I'm also sending this to the Toro list, although I'm not a member.  I
> hope it gets through. . .

It did.  (For any that may wonder what Tom's talking about, posts you 
address to toro@armchair.mb.ca will be distributed to the Toro list.)

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Date: 28 Jun 1997 12:14:26 PST
Subject: HEI Question

Hello there, I've been having some problems with my '78 Olds 88
(350/350) lately, mostly I've been having an intermittent misfire.  Some
times it's just a weak spark, while rarely does it ever totally misfire.
I have isolated the cylinder which was doing it (#6) and I'm stuck on
what to do next.  To those of you that remember, I had an exhaust leak
which made my car run horrible.  I took the intake off to change the
felt gaskets on top of my valley pan (I have an edelbrock performer
manifold on my delta) and when I get the intake off I found that the
felt gaskets had delaminated themselves and literally were cracked all
over the place.  The gaskets were Mr. Gasket kind, for '68-'76 Olds
engines.  Needless to say, I just replaced both with the valley pan, and
didn't put the new felt gaskets I got for it on.  Now, when I took the
manifold off, I noticed that there was exhaust soot in the runner to the
#6 cylinder.  Could that be caused by the intake valve opening too
early?  There was no soot that I can remember in any other runner.

The car is running much better now that the gasket was replaced, but
also when I'm warmed up i'm pinging like hell whenever I need to pass
someone (tranny kickdown into 2nd gear).  Could the weights in my HEI be
sticking?  When it's cold and I need to get on the freeway, or any other
time I need to spin the engine 'high' when it's cold it barely pings.
I'm running California's 92 octane reformulated gas.

Thanks for any help that can be given.

Mike Jones
'78 Olds 88 (running much better now)

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 17:50:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: my 1/4 time with my 80 442

Well, I took the Slowmobile 442 W-30 to the track last night for the first
time and was pleasantly surprised with the results. I ended up running a
best of 15.871@ 88 mph. 60ft time of 2.353. Not bad at all for a car that
only come with 160 hp. I played with the timing and made a few other
adjustments to make it run that good but it was still basically stock. As
usual, I spent more time with people looking at my car than I did racing.
Everyone loved it, including the Ford, Mopar guys. With the addition of my
new Cragar SS/T's , wide in back and skinny up front, it does look like a
seriously mean car ;-)  It was an awesome sight during one race I had. I
raced a 69 H/O. Both of us with the white/gold paint schemes......it was
beautiful to say the least even though he beat me by over 2 seconds ;-) 
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
Mobil 1 fluids, blackouts(rear+turn.).........14.165@98.70 before listed mods
Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 18:08:01 -0400
Subject: List Member ID Buttons Available

If you would like an easy way to identify yourself as a list member at
the Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration in Lansing (or any other
Oldsmobile event for that matter), I have an economical solution.  I
have created the following designs which have been produced as 2-1/4
inch diameter pin-on buttons.  Each design is laser printed in black, on
goldenrod stock.  Designs and prices are as follow:

Just the Œat² sign - This most simple identification is just the
universal e-mail address symbol, approximately 1-3/4 inches in diameter,
printed in black on the button.  $1.00 each. ($1.40 Canadian)

Oldsmobile @ - This design has the same 1-3/4 inch diameter ³at² sign as
the button above, printed in a light grey as a background and with the
Oldsmobile list address (oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca) overprinted on two
lines in black block letters.  $1.00 each. ($1.40 Canadian)

Toro @ - This button uses the same design as the one above, but has
toro@armchair.mb.ca printed over the @ sign for the Toronado list
members.  $1.00 each. ($1.40 Canadian)

Personalized @ - Again, I¹ve used the 1-3/4 inch diameter ³at² sign as a
background in light grey and can overprint one to four short lines of
the text of your choice.  On the button I made for myself, I have ³Tom
Stoner² on the first line, ³Ann Arbor, MI² on the second line, and
³tgstoner@umich.edu² on the third line.  Since there are more characters
in the line with my e-mail address, that line is in slightly smaller
type.  E-mail me with your ideas before you order any of these, and I¹ll
try to give you an answer on how well we can make it fit and keep the
letters big and readable from a distance.  $2.00 each. ($2.50 Canadian)

Really custom buttons - If you have any other ideas for buttons which
you would like to have made, e-mail me.  Many different designs are
possible with the equipment which I have, including photo buttons.  They
need not be Oldsmobile related either.  Label your kids!  Prices would
vary by design, from $1.00 to $3.00 each.

Shipping and handling - To addresses in the United States / Canada, via
First Class Mail:  1 button       - $1.00 / $1.40
       2 or 3 buttons - $1.25 / $1.75
       4 to 6 buttons - $1.50 / $2.10
       7 or 8 buttons - $1.75 / $2.45

Send your order, including all necessary informaton including your
shipping address and check or money order to:

       Thomas G. Stoner
       2521 James Street
       Ann Arbor, MI 48104-6303

E-mail me, if you would like an order form sent to you via either a
return message or fax.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: Terrance Bradley <Docolds@Magmacom.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:04:05 -0700
Subject: Re: Lansing List

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> NAME                       HOTEL             DATES        CAR
> ====                       =====             =====        ===
> Beaulieu, Greg            Hampton Inn        8/18-23      none
> Hirtle, Don               Hampton            8/18-23      none
> Penny, Steve              Hampton            8/18-23      none
> Smith, Brian              Hampton            8/18-23      none
> Stewart, Sandy            Hampton            8/18-23      none
> Chermack, Jim             Mariott East       8/18-25      70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug             Holt, MI             all        none yet
> Easton, Jeff              Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22      70 442 black
> Hendley, Daren            Ramada             8/20-24      none
> McFarlane, Cliff          Holiday West       8/19-23      63 Starfire
> Westlake, Steve           Holiday West       8/19-23      63 - 98
> Glista, Richard           Holiday West       8/19-23      68 - 442
> Wilson, Jim               none               8/19-23      64 Stafire
> Nicholson, Brad           Best Western       8/19-24      87 442 (Just
> Me)
>  (w/ Donna & Eli)         Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife
> & kid)
> Matt Cremean              Blissfield, MI     8/21         73 Cutlass
> Supreme
> Dan Gulino                Sleep Inn          8/20-24      75 Delta 88
> Conv
> Johnson, Ernie            Ramada             8/20-24      67-442
> 
 Bradley,Terry & Barb       Regent Inn         8/20-24      71 Cutlass
Green,
 aka Docolds                                                70 W-30 Red

------------------------------

From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 19:25:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Parting out '75 Olds 98

All,

In my meager attempt to save or improve as many oldsmobiles as I can, I just
pulled home a '75 98 parts car.  The car is complete now but won't stay that
way.  I know the parts draw isn't as large as the 442's/Cutlasses but
nevertheless it seems when I need something, someone happened to have one
but threw it out not too long before I asked.  Here's the deal.  All parts
are going to go cheap!!!  I traded some VW parts for the car and am merely
trying to recoop the $$$ I had in the VW parts.  I don't want to get into a
big shipping/or stripping deal with large parts, but if someone really needs
something I will do so. I can probably even bring them to Lansing.    The
car has a 455 (was running but hasn't in the last year) TH-400, power
windows, AC, cruise, etc....  Full set of '98 hubcaps and wheels .(actually
look pretty good), good grilles, nice header panel, good trunklid, tilt
wheel.  The doors and quarters are either dinged and/or rusted.  The front
left fender is still repairable but has 1 ding and 1 rust spot.  Most marker
and tail lights are also good.  If you want parts, e-mail me with your needs
and I will try and help you out.

Best Regards,

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

------------------------------

From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 20:26:22 -0700
Subject: Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> 
> At 03:14 PM 6/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> >>
> >> We have just acquired a 69 Cutlass Supreme Holiday 4 door from Texas to part
> >> out.
> >> The drivetrain is spoken for but ALL body parts are mint condition.
> >>         These parts are all extemely nice.
> >>
> >> Jim Chermack
> >> OCA #24275
> >> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> >> 72 442 (350)
> >> 86 Ninety Eight
> >> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> >> 96 C-1500
> >> Virginia Beach, VA
> >> (757) 474-0869
> >
> >If the parts are "mint condition" & "extremely nice" why are you
> >destroying the car?
> >
> >Daren
> >
> >'65 Oldsmobile
> >Styled to go ... where the action is!
> >
> 
> This car was purchased 6 years ago and has been a daily driver since. The
> original engine was shot due to lack of maintanence. The drive train is
> going back into it's respective vehicle again. Right now between three of
> us, we have 16 cars. 'm not going through the hassle of putting another
> complete drivetrain in it and selling it to some kid to wrap around a phone
> pole. Which is what happend to my 64 442 I sold. Again too many cars. This
> car would need some body work to block the side to make it really straight
> and $1500.00 in paint and another $800.00 to do a 4 door interior. So we
> decided the best thing to do was part the body. The 68 Ram Rod the engine
> belongs to is worth having done before I'd restor another 4 door.
> 
> Jim ChermackHow about some gold seat belts for a 69 442 conv?  AM/FM radio? Thanks

------------------------------

From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 20:33:25 -0700
Subject: Duel gate

Was the duel gate shifter avalable as an option on a 69 442 conv?  Or, 
was it only found on H/O 's?

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 20:48:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Duel gate

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
> 
> Was the duel gate shifter avalable as an option on a 69 442 conv?  Or,
> was it only found on H/O 's?

Unfortunately, it was only offered on the H/O's that year.  In 1970 it
was the W-26 option for the Cutlass/442, which fit in the standard
console.  But if you HAD an 69 H/O dual gate and cable set up, you could
make it work of course.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 21:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Iola Old Car Show

As it seems that this is part of the Centennial celebration (or at least it
is on the Centennial Events calendar at the Oldsmobile mega-site), can I get
any of you northern Illinois or Wisconsonian Oldsmo-heads interested in
accompanying Soylent and I to the show?

The dates are July 11-13 (Friday-Sunday). Offhand I am thinking Saturday the
12th, but as far as I know, I may be available Sunday as well.

Reply here or privately (address nearby).

  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  (witticism)
  

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:06:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

In a message dated 97-06-28 06:10:58 EDT, you write:

> Nicholson, Brad       Best Western        8/19-24  87 442 (Just Me)
>   (w/ Donna & Eli)        Midway           8/19-24  94 LSS (w
Everett Horton            Sheraton             8/19-23  61 Starfire Conv
Gordon Horton            Sheraton            8/19-23  71 Supreme Conv

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From: Jim Fleeson <o455@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 22:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Fwd: PARTS FOR SALE]

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Jim Fleeson wrote:
> 
> Good Day:
> 
> I Am Stripping A 1982 Cutlass Supreme For Racing And Have Alot Of
> Interior And Some Exterior Parts To Get Rid Of.
> 
> Just Keeping What Is Needed To Make The Racing Class.
> 
> To Many Things To Listm, So I'll Do It This Way..
> Here Is The Vin, You Can Get The Interior Color And So On
> ** No Engine Parts Available In Conjuction To This Vin **
> 
> Description 1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> Veh. Serial No. 1G3AR47A8CM584564
> 
> Let Me Know Who Needs What
> Alot Of Space Is Being Taken-Up With These Parts That I Will Never Need.
> A Two Car Garage Is Full When The Frame Is In One Garage And The Body
> Is In The Other..
> 
> JIM <<<<<OHIO>>>>>

Positivly The LAST POSTING ..

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Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 16:35:39 -0700
From: Jim Fleeson <o455@ix.netcom.com>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win16; I)
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Good Day:

I Am Stripping A 1982 Cutlass Supreme For Racing And Have Alot Of
Interior And Some Exterior Parts To Get Rid Of.

Just Keeping What Is Needed To Make The Racing Class.

To Many Things To Listm, So I'll Do It This Way..
Here Is The Vin, You Can Get The Interior Color And So On 
** No Engine Parts Available In Conjuction To This Vin **

Description 1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Veh. Serial No. 1G3AR47A8CM584564

Let Me Know Who Needs What
Alot Of Space Is Being Taken-Up With These Parts That I Will Never Need.
A Two Car Garage Is Full When The Frame Is In One Garage And The Body
Is In The Other..

JIM <<<<<OHIO>>>>>

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 20:06:16 -0700
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

I was teasing Dan cause I'm 15 min. from him.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:23:55 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Question

At 12:14 PM 6/28/97 PST, you wrote:
>Hello there, I've been having some problems with my '78 Olds 88
]snip]
>I have isolated the cylinder which was doing it (#6) and I'm stuck on
[snip]
>felt gaskets had delaminated themselves and literally were cracked all
[snip]
>manifold off, I noticed that there was exhaust soot in the runner to the
>#6 cylinder.  Could that be caused by the intake valve opening too
>early?  There was no soot that I can remember in any other runner.

It could be (and probably is) caused by a burnt intake valve that isn't
sealing the combustion chamber (hence the soot). Have you done a compression
test on that cylinder?

>also when I'm warmed up i'm pinging like hell whenever I need to pass
>someone (tranny kickdown into 2nd gear).  Could the weights in my HEI be
>sticking?  

If anything, having them stick open would cause the problem, but in that
case, you'd be above the rpm that the weights would kick in anyhow, so the
problem is likely elsewhere. What timing are you running, and is your vacuum
advance working properly? If it's kicking in too much or too fast, you could
get that pinging on kick-down.

One other thing; what temp is your engine running at?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: SAdelstein@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 23:41:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: HEI Question

I think that the pinging noise from your engine sounds like you may have the
timing too far advanced.  The reason why it doesn't ping that much when your
engine is cool is because the vacuum advance isn't activated.  When the
engine warms up the engine diverts vacuum to the vacuum advance which
advances your timing even further than where you had set it.  This is why it
pings more when it is warmed up.  By advancing the timing it increases your
rpm at idle to keep your engine running cooler.  I would suggest going back
and resetting your timing.  Make sure that you disconnect the vacuum advance
vacuum hose before resetting the timing.  This should help you with the
pinging noise.

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:39:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Puttin' Out the Fire with Gasoline

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> Gee, I didn't realize the firestorm I'd start with... gasoline :) :)
> 
> > > > As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
> > > > remember)
> > > >
> > > > Stephen Hoover
> > >
> > > Why?  When adjusted for inflation, gas is the cheapest it's EVER been,
> > > even at $1.25/gal for regular.
> > >
> > > Tim (You Can Lookit Up) Churchill
> 
> > Tim,
> >
> > Recalculate and see if 25.9 cents per gallon in Dayton in 1970 still
> > computes to today's ripping.  They obviously had agood old fashion gas
> > war going on for a year or so.  When is the last time anyone had a gas
> > war going that was worth it?
> >
> > Don Sowers
> 
> Well, lessee... an engineer in 1970 right outta school made... what?
> 6K, maybe 7K?  As opposed to the 40 - 45K they make now.  I don't have
> pure inflation figures between then and now -- and granted, there'd be
> discussion as to what that number would be, as different things inflated
> (or deflated) in price at different rates since then, but if we go by
> salaries (and what was the min. wage then?  Still just $1?) then and now,
> I come up with a factor of at least 5 or 6.  OK, so it's pretty close.
> Without a lot of the taxes (see below), that would bring today's fuel
> way down in cost .vs. 1970.
> 
> Shang wrote:
> >
> > Who runs regular in a '70 Cutlass?
> 
> Dunno, I don't run it in a '67 CS either :), I just used regular gas
> as an example.
> 
> > Inflation is one thing, a 40 cent tax is another.
> 
> I have to agree with you here; I too have a problem with the way gas is taxed,
> or perhaps more with where the tax money goes -- i.e., not directly into
> infrastructure and other related areas.  I would however also like to know
> what the tax figures per gallon were in,say, 1970, and work the percentages
> between then and now.
> 
> BTW, I filled up Big Red w/93 Octane at an Exxon station just this morning...
> $1.37/gal.  In the fair Commonwealth known to some as 'Tax'-achusetts :)
> 
> The only thing that hurts is that I know it's even cheaper in NJ --
> Full Service there, too!
> 
> Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
As I remember, minimum wage was around $1.90/hour for what it's worth.

Don Sowers

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From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 00:05:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?

Douglas Kitchener wrote:
> 
> > This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
> >
> > NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
> > ====                       =====             =====     ===
> > Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
> > Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
> > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
> > Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
> > Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
> > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
> > McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
> > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
> > Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
> > Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
> > Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
> >  (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
> > Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
> > Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
> > Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
>   Kitchener, Doug       Holiday West      8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv

John Loban               Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24     63 Starfire conv

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 02:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SB intman available, etc.

Well, another deal I could not pass up, but the wife says we need the $$ more
than i need another SB intake for motors I don't even use... so for what I
paid, I offer up to y'all a fine newish Holley "Street Dominator" intake,
aluminum, all bolt holes in good shape, egr capable but plugged off right now,
carb heat crevice there but nicely blocked of right now. Spread-bore AND Holley
bolt patterns & hole sizes. Kinda tall, maybe +1.5" over stock? A bit dirty,
but not bad. Oh, it's HEI-fittable, too. $100 delivered to your door.

  Came off a really, really rare 403, rarer even than that elusive Solid Main
Web 403... this one had the std. "2" ID of a 350 motor, and even had "8" heads
of a smogger 350! *snort*

I also have a NOS stripe said to be for an '84 H/O, will get part # off box if
anyone is interested... $MMAOICR [Make me an offer I can't refuse]

Got the Toro master cylinder on today, and gee whiz, wouldn't ya know it, one
bleeder had to ruin the whole day, out comes that wheel cylinder, was leaky
anyhow... can't get one 'til tomorrow... and of course none of the stash in the
garage is the same bore. At least the wheels & tires cleaned up nicely with
some chemical.

Well, please RSVP to the email shown below if you need an intake, a nice one at
that, for your small block Olds. I gotta keep the wife happy.

 --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 02:20:04 -0700
Subject: dates and events of Lansing

Can I please have the dates and events that are happening in Lansing
Thank You LARRY .....  6  2  S  T  A  R  F  I  R  E

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