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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 12 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 716

Re: Control arn blues
Re: K code Oldsmobiles???
convertible
Bryceman's page
Re: Shop Manuals
RE: convertible
Re: Mondello Olds Nats
1971 98--1972 Custom Cruiser-PARTS
70 Olds 442--info needed
Re: Rear bumper interchangability
Re: K- code Oldsmobile???
Re: Control arn blues
Putting in speakers
message test only
Re: K- code Oldsmobile???
Qjet Numbers
Re: K- code Oldsmobile???
gas tank sending unit
Re: Mondello Olds Nats
Re: Putting in speakers
Re: Putting in speakers
RE: 70 Olds 442--info needed
Will ubsububsucribe ( Sp. ? ) while in vacation
Re: 70 Olds 442--info needed
Finally
R-12 Pressure
Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum
CA SB-42 update
Re: Control arn blues
Re: 70 Olds 442--info needed
Re: convertible
RE: Johnny Lightning 10 car set
Re[2]: HIGH HC's
Re: Qjet Numbers
Re: August Oldsmobile Meeting
Re: Found a '69 442 for sale
Re: Control arn blues
Re: Source for '70 442/SX dual-exhaust? Req. for recommendat
Body Plate Decoding
Re: Putting in speakers
looking for parts
Another Q-jet question

Attention  1964 98 fans
Re: Mondello Olds Nats
Re: 70 Olds 442--info needed
Re: Putting in speakers
Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum
Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum
Re: Attention  1964 98 fans

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:32:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Control arn blues

At 10:32 PM 6/11/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I made a scary discovery today while working on the Cutlass.  I was under
>the front of the car, changing the broken motor mounts (dang torque!) and
>greasing the front end, and found that the lower left control arm is
>cracked on the outer part of the radius around the ball joint.  I'm sure
>this must have happened when I got smacked in the left fender a while
>back; probably started as a very small crack and has enlarged over time.
>Anyway, I will be junkyarding this weekend to look for one (unless
>someone here has one for real cheap and in a hurry).  I was wondering if
>I could get one from any 68-72 (or 64-72?) A-body I might happen to find?
> Are there any other GM cars with one that would fit?  I'm really
>uncomfortable driving the car now...
>
>One other thing; it appears as if I am in need of a center link for the
>Cutlass.  If anybody has a new or good used one they want to get rid of,
>please let me know.
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@juno.com
>
Dave,

        The control arms I have are almost N.O.S. You probably won't want
that kind of expense. I do have a NEW center link available for $42.00 plus
shipping, which should be about $6.00. This is not a GM center link but it's
made by McQuay Norris if your interested. I can get you one out Saturday if
need be. Let me know what you want to do.

Jim Chermack

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:37:15 -0300
Subject: Re: K code Oldsmobiles???

At 03:54 PM 6/11/97 -0300, you wrote:
>This past Saturday while attending a cruise in, I was talking to a young
>man about Oldsmobiles.  I was telling him that I had always wanted a
>Rallye 350 and a Sebring Yellow W-30 to go with my Sebring Yellow 4-4-2.
>A full set in one color.  I told him about a W-30 that I had passed up a
>few years ago when the owner wanted a couple hundred more than I was
>willing to pay. (I won't make that mistake again!)  The car was
>originaly Sebring Yellow with a light blue interior and heavily
>optioned.  This guy tells me that his dad had one that had been
>repainted red (still with the blue interior) and it was called a K code
>car that was very rare.  He then mentioned a 7 blade fan that bolts
>direct to the water pump like a four blade.  I showed him my fan which
>came off of that W-30 (the ignorant owner gave me a couple of boxes of
>parts off the car because he wasn't going to use them when he put it
>back together)and he said something about it being rare and expensive.
>Does any of this make sound resonable or was this guy full of it?
>
>Dave (wondering if this will cause a week long thread) Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
Dave,

        Someone is giving you a bunch of B.S. The only K code that he could
be refering to in 1972 is Cutlass or 442 with a 350 4 bbl car with single
exhaust. That's what my 72 442 was originally. I have added duals so if it
would have been factory it would have been a M coded car. I agree with Bob.
He was probably thinking of a F*rd M*stang. That would have been the Hi-po
289 271 hp.

Jim Chermack

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From: NScal@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:11:16 -0300
Subject: convertible

I have a 71 442 convertible and have encountered a problem.  It seems that
the top only goes down.  When I attempt to put it back up, it won't budge.
 You can hear the top motor whining though, but it seems as if it can't push
the top back up.  If anyone has any ideas on how to solve this problem, any
help would be appreciated. Thanks
- -Nick-

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From: "Kaye Kimball" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:52:10 -0300
Subject: Bryceman's page

Does anyone know what happened to the owner's registry on Bryceman's Page
for 1973 and newer??

jdkim@lvdi.net

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 01:58:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Shop Manuals

John C. Ramsey wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
>         For those of you that have been having a difficult time locating
> pre-1970 Cutlass service manuals, Year One now has many of these books.
> These things are LIFE SAVERS as far as money and time are concerned and
> help you to do the job right.  Until very recently reprinted manuals
> were only available for 1970 and up.
>
>         The cost after shipping is about 60 bucks (a little pricey, but well
> worth it!)  Now I get to know where that blasted plugged off vacuum line
> is supposed to go! :)
>
> John Ramsey
> '69 Cutlass 'S'
I just ordered mine a few hours ago in fact, funny you brought that up.
I have a 66 and the brand new catalog only shows 70-up, glad I asked
them.  I got a Fisher body service manual, an assembly manual and a
chasis service manual (pretty much all your ever gonna need) for 129
bucks after shipping.   Cant wait to get started on my frame-off.

Dan Hamlett
66 Cutlass convertible

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:34:36 -0300
Subject: RE: convertible

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Try checking the fluid level in the pump reservoir (or maybe there is air in
the lines?) Just my $.02  :)

Greg
OCAª029415

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Subject:convertible

I have a 71 442 convertible and have encountered a problem.  It seems that
the top only goes down.  When I attempt to put it back up, it won't budge.
 You can hear the top motor whining though, but it seems as if it can't push
the top back up.  If anyone has any ideas on how to solve this problem, any
help would be appreciated. Thanks
- -Nick-


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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:27:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello Olds Nats

So who's all going to the Norwalk Olds meet?  I'll be there with my
aqua 67 442 Convertible.  Its the one with the "Good From Far, Far From
Good" thing going on..  I'll prob. go for afew hours Friday night, then
try and talk the wife into going on Saturday.  This year I'll have
plenty of film!

Ken

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From: Don Foster <dfoster@uky.campus.mci.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:37:01 -0300
Subject: 1971 98--1972 Custom Cruiser-PARTS

Anyone needing parts from either of the above vehicles? No factory radios or
engines or transmissions. (they are both 455's and I'm gonna hang on to them)
All other parts are fair game and still there. I had a dream of a hillside
of junked Oldsmobiles but it never became a reality. Anyway these two have to
go and I would rather sell parts dirt cheap rather than see them crushed.
 E-mail at (dfoster@uky.campus.mci.net) brackets not needed.

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From: Don Foster <dfoster@uky.campus.mci.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 03:38:07 -0300
Subject: 70 Olds 442--info needed

 I'm looking for any info. on the 1970 442 I can get. There is one I'm
considering buying but I'm not real
familiar with these monsters. Always have been partial to Olds 455's. The
owner puts it at very good condition
but says the bumpers are original? Am going to look at it Saturday and this
is what info. I've gotten so far.
  455 engine
  E-heads
  1022 Muncie 4 spd.
  3:42 gears in rear end
  1970 W-30 Ram Air hood
  7000 miles since rebuild-engine only
  170,000 on car
 Any advice on the value of this car would be appreciated. Their asking
$7000.00. Seems steep to me but I've only driven ordinary Cutlasses and
Delta 88's.  Thanks in advance, Don

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 07:48:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear bumper interchangability

On Wed, 11 Jun 1997 padavano.joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
>      Yes, they are.  Of course, the front end sheet metal is
>      interchangeable as well (with significantly more work), which explains
>      the 69 Cutlass I once saw with 68 front sheetmetal.

That sounds like plenty enough work, but nothing compared to the '69 I
saw a few weeks ago at a car show, that sported a '70-'72 dashboard! Why
someone would go to all that trouble baffled me...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 09:51:46 -0300
Subject: Re: K- code Oldsmobile???

Something I left out in my first post.  The red car that the guy's
father had owned was originally Sebring Yellow.  He also mentioned how
it was a special order car.  The special order part is what got me to
wondering if there was anything to this.  The owner of the car I was
looking at had somewhat of a history on the car and claimed that it was
also a special order due to the combination of options.  As I said
before, this all may be B.S. from both guys.  But similar stories about
two different cars 10 years apart.  I do know that there are two
different cars involved.  Kevin Hoopingarner, who is on this list bought
the car I was looking at.  Kevin if you are out there, can you help?

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 00:47:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Control arn blues

Maybe I can pay you back here for the T-3's, I've got the control arm on my
'72 V-C parts car.  Will check on the center link.  How about it?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:12:52 -0300
Subject: Putting in speakers

Hello
I have an 81 Cutlass Supreme and would like to put in a pair of 6x9 rear
speakers. Can anyone give me ideas on how to mount these.
Thanks Tim

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From: hot69w30@webtv.net (david harmon)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:24:27 -0300
Subject: message test only

 ~~~69~~~                                                      ~olds~

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:16:56 -0300
Subject: Re: K- code Oldsmobile???

david wyatt wrote:
>
> Something I left out in my first post.  The red car that the guy's
> father had owned was originally Sebring Yellow.  He also mentioned how
> it was a special order car.

Dave,

Just throwing this out there....as I recall (I'm sure I'll be corrected
if I'm wrong), the paint code for Sebring Yellow on the 70 Rallye 350
was "- -" (double dash) on the body plate, signifying special order
paint.  If that holds true, shouldn't the paint code on this "K-car"
also have the double-dash???  Just something to ponder.

Mike Rothe

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:23:19 -0300
Subject: Qjet Numbers

Hi All,
I have been looking for a correct numbered carb for my '69 W-31 and I've
found a place that has an original date coded used core.  The place I have
found is called OEM carbs, there web address is www.blake.com/oemcarbs/
for those interested.  The question I have is about the numbers on the
carb.  I'm expecting to see 7029255 on the qjet, but Mark from Oem carbs
says he has several 60 and 70 qjets that have only a 5 digit number
including one that is stamped 29255 and is date coded 3278.  Could this be
that the 7 and 0 have been left off?  I've never heard of qjets with only 5
digit part numbers.  From everything I know and read the number should
start with 70 or 170.  Can anybody shed some light on this.  Thanks for any
help.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
1977 Ford LTD - hey it was free
1977 Buick LeSabre - parents bought new and it has been bequethed to me -
again, but at least it's Olds powered

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 05:26:38 -0300
Subject: Re: K- code Oldsmobile???

david wyatt wrote:
>
> Something I left out in my first post.  The red car that the guy's
> father had owned was originally Sebring Yellow.  He also mentioned how
> it was a special order car.  The special order part is what got me to
> wondering if there was anything to this.  The owner of the car I was
> looking at had somewhat of a history on the car and claimed that it was
> also a special order due to the combination of options.  As I said
> before, this all may be B.S. from both guys.  But similar stories about
> two different cars 10 years apart.  I do know that there are two
> different cars involved.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2

Dave,

Special order cars once existed.  I know of several things done on cars
that weren't supposed to happen such as accessories or paint.  By 1973,
this was not so easily done as before.  I tried to order a '73 Vista
Cruiser w/ralley wheels, gauges, & sport mirrors, which weren't
allowed.  I had to order the parts separately & install them myself.
Even then, I saw a car built for Muhammed Ali that was a 1973 Oldsmobile
Delta 88 Royale done in navy blue w/all gold trim.  It looked quite
nice, but then he had a little more influence than most of have.

Once, you could get the dealer to add to the order something that you
wanted & chances are you got it if the dealer would fight for you.
Today, it is nearly impossible.  Dealers don't have the direct imfluence
& the assembly line is just that; assembly according to some plan
although not necessarily yours.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Dean Hodge <hodged@nichols.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:50:32 -0300
Subject: gas tank sending unit

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:38:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello Olds Nats

S/P 0666 wrote:
>
> So who's all going to the Norwalk Olds meet?  I'll be there with my
> aqua 67 442 Convertible.  Its the one with the "Good From Far, Far From
> Good" thing going on..  I'll prob. go for afew hours Friday night, then
> try and talk the wife into going on Saturday.  This year I'll have
> plenty of film!

I think me an' the Led Sled (yes, not "lead" like metal, Led as in
Zeppelin), oh yeah, and the folks, are going to be able to make it down
there. Does anybody know if I can still get in a few quarters or is it
already full?

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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:45:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Putting in speakers

uknowme wrote:
>
> Hello
> I have an 81 Cutlass Supreme and would like to put in a pair of 6x9 rear
> speakers. Can anyone give me ideas on how to mount these.
>                                 Thanks Tim


TIM:

You can either get a set of the 4x10 to 6x9 adapters for GM cars or cut
a piece of 1/2" or 3/4" plywoood the width of the rescess under the rear
deck (where your existing speakers are now) by about 2 inches longer
than the speaker. These sizes are aprox. depending on your speakers
magnet size. Both of these work well, If it was me, I'd choose the wood
but it's not going to be just an in-out 15min. job. You get a better air
seal to the deck surface and there's no spring clip to fall off & get in
the way. My site has a selection showing custom mounting of rear deck
speakers my 86 442, that selection with images will be accessible
starting this Monday 6/16/97.....check-it-out!

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                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
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     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
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                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/10/97)

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 06:43:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Putting in speakers

uknowme wrote:
>
> Hello
> I have an 81 Cutlass Supreme and would like to put in a pair of 6x9 rear
> speakers. Can anyone give me ideas on how to mount these.
>                                 Thanks Tim

The same way the old ones are? Do you have the brackets holding your
speakers from the bottom?

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:44:19 -0300
Subject: RE: 70 Olds 442--info needed

Hi Don

You have selected a great car to buy. Here is some information I have =
from my car and books.

the VIN ª should start with 344870 if it is a Holiday Coupe (no post) or =
344770 if it is a Sport Coupe (with post).

E heads is correct for a non-W-30 car.

M-20 (Wide Ratio) M-21 (Close Ratio) or M-22 (Close Ratio Heavy Duty) =
Transmission (not 1022) I dont think many had the M-22, most had the M-21 =
and was the standard transmission. It may have been a special order or =
something.

3.42 is correct for the manual transmission. It most likely is a limited =
slip (positraction) unit. There should be a tag on the rear carrer =
inspection cover.

The OAI hood could have been ordered new or added in the past or it could =
be a W-31 car. The W-31 would be a F-85 or Cutless.

You need to get a copy of the FAQ at http://www.442.com There is more =
information you can use to check out the car.

$7000 could be high if the car is not in good condition. It would be a =
good price if the car has been restored and looks,runs and drives good =
and everything is correct for this model. If you can get the VIN ª and =
Body Codes from the data plate on the firewall and post them to the list, =
we can decode them for you. With 170,000 miles on the car , check the =
front end for wear, exhaust system, brakes, universal joints,...ect. =
Check also if the owner has the buildsheet.

I like the 4 speed 442. They are fast (like all 442s) and hard to find.

If you need more info "just ask".

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, Jun 12, 1997 3:03 AM
Subject: 70 Olds 442--info needed
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 I'm looking for any info. on the 1970 442 I can get. There is one I'm
considering buying but I'm not real
familiar with these monsters. Always have been partial to Olds 455's. The
owner puts it at very good condition
but says the bumpers are original? Am going to look at it Saturday and =
this
is what info. I've gotten so far.
  455 engine
  E-heads
  1022 Muncie 4 spd.
  3:42 gears in rear end
  1970 W-30 Ram Air hood
  7000 miles since rebuild-engine only
  170,000 on car
 Any advice on the value of this car would be appreciated. Their asking
$7000.00. Seems steep to me but I've only driven ordinary Cutlasses and
Delta 88's.  Thanks in advance, Don



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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:37:37 -0300
Subject: Will ubsububsucribe ( Sp. ? ) while in vacation

I'm going to have my vacation starting at 15.6 and will come back
at 16.7.

I'm reachable most of the time by telephone (the banana one).

I really hope that there is somebody whe saves copies of the
digest versions of this list. I'll NEED them when I'm back
from the promised land of mosquitos.

Many thanks to Bryceman for publishing the pictures of our
Niny at http://www.442.com/esko.html .

I've been reading a lot of messages about '64 ninety eights
in junky yards. If somebody is interested in sending parts
of those (especially the heater / AC assembly) I would like
to support him financially.

You can always call me. I can call You back. The calling is
virtually (and in reality as well) free for me.

We have the mid-summer festival coming next week. In one evening
we consume unbelievable amounts of alcohol. It is very hard to
find a not toxicated driver at the evening. As the Finnish law
is very strict in this subject, the roads are almost empty and
the police stops almost every driver for "sniff"-test. Knowing
this, it is curious that each "juhannus" (as we call the festival)
many drunk drivers are caught.

Later....

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Esko & Anneli Ilola

Mail:  Flintstensstigen 7B5     Tel: +358 40 5575 977 (banana)
       01610 VANDA FINLAND           +358 40 5575 116 (fish)

Email: esko.ilola@tele.fi         \\\___
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Holiday Sports Sedan                // \\   \

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@Prodigy.Net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 10:51:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds 442--info needed

> info. I've gotten so far.
>   455 engine
>   E-heads
>   1022 Muncie 4 spd.
>   3:42 gears in rear end
>   1970 W-30 Ram Air hood
>   7000 miles since rebuild-engine only
>   170,000 on car
>  Any advice on the value of this car would be appreciated. Their asking
> $7000.00.

Check the serial numbers to see if it is a true 442.  It sounds like a
442, but to make sure, check the body plate for an "ST 70 344xx" code
and the VIN number for "344xxx-" numbers to start.  Also, it would be a
good idea to check the last six digits of the engine serial number
against the last six VIN digits (on a small block pad below driver's
side "E" on the head  If those numbers aren't on the car, then I
personally would shy away, regardless what the owner says.  If they
claim to have original front fenders on it, check the spacing between
the two "4's" on the "442" emblems.  The 4's should almost touch each
other (very slight space, about 1/8") while the middle "4" and the "2"
have a little larger space between them. I've seen a LOT of restorations
done that equally space out the numbers on the fenders, and it really
looks weird.  Remember it should have rear bumper cut-outs, and a rear
sway bar, with "boxed" rear lower control arms.  If it is original, and
in extremely good shape (all-metal, no rust) it could be worth the 7 k,
however, it better be in super-nice shape. (170K miles though tells me
different).

Unfortunately, value is actually determined by what someone will pay for
it.  If you don't think the car is worth 7K, then don't buy it, it's
just that simple.  If it turns out to be your dream car, then it just
might be, it's up to you.  There seems to be a lot of fine 70 models out
there for a little less money though.  Keep this in mind: look at the
car and determine what it would take to replace missing parts, repair or
replace damaged/deteriorated parts, and mentally add that to the $7K
price.  Then that's how much you are really looking at spending.  Armed
with this information, maybe you could haggle down the price by
subtrating most of these costs if you really wanted the car.

Good Luck,

Mike Rothe

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 11:28:59 -0300
Subject: Finally

Hi, fellow Olds lovers. I finally got my 15x7 chrome rim from the
dealer, it looks real good. It shines real bright froma distance,
but when you get up real close with a flashlight it looks kinda
sandy deep inside the chrome. I used some chrome cleaner and it
cleaned up some of the marks that probably got there from sitting
in some stock room somewhere. The caps where perfect, and the guy
at the counter said that there was not a problem in getting more
caps...

Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

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From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 1997 20:47:44 -0300
Subject: R-12 Pressure

Well, Spring warmth has finally found Chicago!!  Unfortunately, my A/C
forgot how to cool over the winter.  How can I check how much of a
charge is in the system before I take it somewhere to be shafted...I
mean have the system pumped up...

Thanks!
- --
- ---Matt
'86 442
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mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
remove the "spoiler" for replies |
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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:37:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum

>At 10:50 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Over this past weekend I noted that for the 1965 Dynamic 88 (sorry, I have
>>not the experience to extend this analogy to other years or models) the
>>master cylinders for power steering are _different_ than the master
cylinders >>for manual brakes.         ^^^^^^^^ >            ^^^^^^ >

Right! The manual brakes MC have a smaller piston and longer throw. The
power MC have a larger piston but shorter throw...

>I hope so! I tried using my power steering cylinder on my manual-braked
>Toro, and it just didn't seem to work out right...
>
>;) [sorry, it's a slow day on this list...]
>

So that's why my 98 slows down when I make a turn.... ;-)



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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 12:10:17 -0300
Subject: CA SB-42 update

Got this from the GTO mailing list, thought I would fwd it on.

============================================================
This was received on the F-Body Classic list, and since I haven't seen it
on the GTO and Chevelle lists I thought I'd pass it along.  Those of you in
the Golden State may find it interesting...
Brad O.
===========================================================================
===
        From:           Senator Quentin L. Kopp
        To:         Supporters of SB 42-  Classic Car Smog Check
        Exemption
        Subject:        Support at Assembly Transportation Committee
        Hearing

        Thank you again for your support of my SB 42 which would exempt
        all vehicles 25 or more model years old from the biennial smog
        check requirement.  I would like to elicit your further support
        through attendance at the Monday, June 16, 1997 hearing on the
        bill by the Assembly Transportation Committee.  The hearing will
        commence at 1:30 p.m. in Room 4202 in the State Capitol in
        Sacramento.
        It is vitally important that supporters of SB 42 show their
        support in order to overcome the opposition to the bill by the
        Air Resources Board and Bureau of Automotive Repair.  Those of
        you who have written to me in support of the legislation are
        uniquely qualified to articulate the merits of the proposal and
        answer questions with regard to the vehicles which would be
        affected and benefit from the bill.
        I look forward to your attendance at the hearing and that of
        others who support SB 42.  Your further dissemination of this
        memorandum and request is also appreciated very much.

------------------------------

From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 14:19:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Control arn blues

Look out for those control arms, I've broken two, just driving along. Not
hit or anything. When I replaced them, I had my suspension guys weld in
about 4-8 inches of 1/2 inch steel rod to reinforce them around the ball
joint. Now bullet proof, I hope. Just beware these parts have a service
life somewhere short of 200,000 miles. I don't know just what they were
intended for, but better safe than sorry.

Oh, if you weld in the reinforcement, consider tack welding the (new)
ball joint. It is a force (i.e. interference) fit and welding could change
its ability to adhere to the A-arm.

>From someone who's been there (sucks to lose a ball joint while driving..)
cf

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:00:44 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds 442--info needed

The price is a bit steep for a fixer-upper, but if it doesn't need any wo=
rk
and is in very good condition, then go for it.  If you need any help
finding bumpers for it, Email me at latvis@globalserve.net

Jon

- ----------
> From: Don Foster <dfoster@uky.campus.mci.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 70 Olds 442--info needed
> Date: ceturtdiena, 1997. gada 12. j=FBnijs 2:38
>=20
>  I'm looking for any info. on the 1970 442 I can get. There is one I'm
> considering buying but I'm not real
> familiar with these monsters. Always have been partial to Olds 455's. T=
he
> owner puts it at very good condition=20
> but says the bumpers are original? Am going to look at it Saturday and
this
> is what info. I've gotten so far.
>   455 engine
>   E-heads
>   1022 Muncie 4 spd.
>   3:42 gears in rear end
>   1970 W-30 Ram Air hood
>   7000 miles since rebuild-engine only
>   170,000 on car
>  Any advice on the value of this car would be appreciated. Their asking
> $7000.00. Seems steep to me but I've only driven ordinary Cutlasses and
> Delta 88's.  Thanks in advance, Don =20
>=20
>=20

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 15:24:08 -0300
Subject: Re: convertible

Hey Nick,
  I had a 72 Cutlass convertible in the early 90'3 while in high school ( I
sold it like a dumb s__t) and had a problem similar to yours.

Do you know where the top pump/motor is?  It is in the trunk under the top
housing mounted on the back seat frame.  There should be a rubber plug in the
canister...pull it and check the fluid level.  If it's not to the hole,
fillit with auto trans fluid..type F..until it comes out the hole.  That
SHOULD take care of the problem.

Mark Heiser
71 Cutlass S hardtop (darn..)

------------------------------

From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:02:08 -0300
Subject: RE: Johnny Lightning 10 car set

Jeff- what makes this set special is that it comes in a big clear case so you
c an see all 10 cars. The H/O is the correct white/gold where the individual
H/O not in this set is not. If I remember correctly each set is numbered to
limit its production. This set is a sure bet collectible in a few years. I go
to all the toy and hobby shows around me and these are going up in value
almost daily:-)




=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:59:33 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: HIGH HC's

Agreed, just about any factory car should be able to get the HCs under 200.

Since the cat was hollowed out and could not mess around with the CO and O2
counts, what was the O2 count? An air/fuel mixture that is rich will
comsume just about all the O2, while a lean mixture and misfire will result
in higher O2 counts. Of course, if there is a combination of the two . . .
I forgot exactly how the CO numbers will be influenced by a rich/lean
mixture and a misfire. Someone what to verify or second this analysis?

So if the plugs looked halfway normal, this should point you in the right
direction. Also, what about vacuum, compression readings?

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
          ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

> I solved the problem with help from the following web site. It provided the
> missing pieces to the problem.  The previous owner had hollowed out the
> catalytic converter
>
> http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/NCVECS/research.docs/repairs_index..html
> <http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/NCVECS/research.docs/repairs_index..html>


Gil,
while the cat solved your problem properly tuned your car should have
passed
without it.Just my .02c
Frank

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:40:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Qjet Numbers

At 09:23 AM 6/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have been looking for a correct numbered carb for my '69 W-31 and I've
>found a place that has an original date coded used core.  The place I have
>found is called OEM carbs, there web address is www.blake.com/oemcarbs/
>for those interested.  The question I have is about the numbers on the
>carb.  I'm expecting to see 7029255 on the qjet, but Mark from Oem carbs
>says he has several 60 and 70 qjets that have only a 5 digit number
>including one that is stamped 29255 and is date coded 3278.  Could this be
>that the 7 and 0 have been left off?  I've never heard of qjets with only 5
>digit part numbers.  From everything I know and read the number should
>start with 70 or 170.  Can anybody shed some light on this.  Thanks for any
>help.

I've got one of those kinds of Q-jets on my '68 Toro. I assumed it was a
rebuilder's carb, and that they stamped in the numbers on the body after
rebuilding it to '68 Toro specs (which it otherwise matches).

Now, the "70" and "170" indicates that it is a Rochester product. If the
carb was made by someone else (i.e. Carter, who manufactured some under
license), it might lack the "70", but match in all other respects.

Of course, the reason you want a correct-numbered carb for your car is to
maintain its originality, and hence its value in case you ever sold it. If
you *did* settle for a non-"70" carb, you'd have to be able to provide any
future purchasers the kind of documentation that *you're* currently looking
for, proving that a "29255" carb would be "matching numbers".

I'd pass on that, not because it may not be original or may not run right (I
think the carb would likely work fine), but to avoid the hassle of proving
that it's the correct carb to a future buyer (or guys like us who would
hassle you at the car shows... ;).

Hold out for a "7029255"-stamped carb, and until then any Q-jet from that
era with the "255" spec jets and rods will work just as well as the original.

Good luck!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Brad Baker <bjbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:33:03 -0300
Subject: Re: August Oldsmobile Meeting

Brad Baker wrote:
>
> > Hey Tim C. I think you said something awhile ago about a car show in
> > Epping NH. this August. Is this show still on? I am planning to go the
> > Seabrook Beach NH. this summer and would like to go to the show. Any
> > more info about this would be helpful. Thanks alot...
Tim Churchill
> Tweren't me who said it; this is the first I've heard of it.  Anyone?
>
> BTW, I saw a real nice '66 convertible a couple of years ago, doing
> the 'cruise' at Hampton Beach (in Seabrook NH)...

 Wrong-O!! you New England Home-Boy!!  Hampton Beach is located on the
shore in the town of Hampton,NH., not Seabrook. But nice try anyway.
Most of the time you have very accurate info!! ;)
 I thought it was you,but maybe my info is off a little, too. Oh well,
see-ya 'round maybe this summer!!


Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convertible
MailTo:bjbaker@worldnet.att.net

------------------------------

From: Brad Baker <bjbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 02:49:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Found a '69 442 for sale

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> At 04:08 AM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >         If the body plate read off as ( ST69  33667LAN282405 )
> >and the vin was ( 344679M280089 ) then it looks like you found
> >a 69 cutlass that has melded with a 69 442.

> In theory, they should match, but right after the discussions of
> defroster-grid installation and open-thermostat overheating (NO! Stop the
> madness now!), we've beaten the horse about the correspondence between the
> body plate and the VIN ª's on the '68-'69 442's.

< snip some interesting info about Toro's>

> Brad, if I had the $$$, I'd buy the car. Of course, if you *don't* have the
> $$$ to spend, then you may as well dream about your '68...
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

  If I had the bucks for the car, I would buy it to drive while I dream
about finding the money to fix up the '68!! Then again, if I had the
bucks, I would just fix up the '68 because I like the way the grill and
tail lights look better than the '69 anyway.
  Oh well. Thanks for looking up the info about the body tags. I guess
for now I will try to nickel and dime my way thru the '68 restore and
maybe have it ready for the Labor Day Parade!! In the year 2000!!! ;)
 --

Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convertible
MailTo:bjbaker@worldnet.att.net

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From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 13:21:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Control arn blues

Dave Paulison wrote:
>
> I made a scary discovery today while working on the Cutlass.  I was under
> the front of the car, changing the broken motor mounts (dang torque!) and
> greasing the front end, and found that the lower left control arm is
> cracked on the outer part of the radius around the ball joint.  I'm sure
> this must have happened when I got smacked in the left fender a while
> back; probably started as a very small crack and has enlarged over time.
> Anyway, I will be junkyarding this weekend to look for one (unless
> someone here has one for real cheap and in a hurry).  I was wondering if
> I could get one from any 68-72 (or 64-72?) A-body I might happen to find?
>  Are there any other GM cars with one that would fit?  I'm really
> uncomfortable driving the car now...
>
> One other thing; it appears as if I am in need of a center link for the
> Cutlass.  If anybody has a new or good used one they want to get rid of,
> please let me know.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
> dpauliso@juno.com


Any 68-72 GM-A body arm will work.  I broke mine while removing the old ball
joints.  The local junkyard charged me $35 for one and the local gas station
pressed new poly bushings into it for me.

- -greg

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:54:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Source for '70 442/SX dual-exhaust? Req. for recommendat

From: Robert Barry <RBarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>

>I considered the Torque Tech tubes, but that would be almost $300 just for
>the pipes (even the 2.5" ones), not including the mufflers, etc. For a
>stock-exhaust manifold, basically stock 455, it's probably not worth the
>extra $$$ for me. When I build up a 455, and go with the Hookers, I'll
>upgrade to the 3" pipes.

Well, I think the total cost was under $250 (I'm on the left coast, the parts
and bill are in Illinois :-),  They didnt send me the collectors since I dont
have headers and that saved me some money.  With mufflers I'm around
$300 now and still need the first couple of feet of head pipe fabricated.
I also need to do something about trumpets.  The tip on Brothers
having 2.25" trumpets didnt pan out.  I may end up with reducers out back
to allow the existing tips so I can get that "look" back.

>Right now, I'd just like to get the thing running!

I hear ya.  I bandaged up my car so I could still drive it
while waiting for the pipes to come in.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed

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From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 16:57:45 -0300
Subject: Body Plate Decoding


Hi All,

        Another group that I belong to, the M*rc*d*s-Veterans Group is
trying to create a webpage where you can decode your own body plate and vin
information.  Would it be possible for the members of this group to help
Bryceman expand his EXCELENT webpage to include that information.  That way
those who would like their body plates decoded can do so without occupying
valuable bandwith on the group.

        I know that the vin numbers are already on the web, it does not seem
to be a big project to expand it to include paint, trim and other codes.
Being unfamiliar with web publishing I could be wrong......

        I am not complaining about the volume of e-mail regarding body plate
decoding, posting the information on a webpage just seems like a more
efficient way to help people decode their plates.


Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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From: "Jason Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:07:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Putting in speakers

Most any audio store sells a pair of adapter brackets that a 6x9 mounts to
and then the speaker will bolt up to the 4x10 slot. I did this on my 79
Cutlass. I find these all the time on Cutlass's in our towyard. Not
expensive at all.
- --------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
93 Z/28...patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 Hurst/Olds W-25


- ----------
> Hello
> I have an 81 Cutlass Supreme and would like to put in a pair of 6x9 rear
> speakers. Can anyone give me ideas on how to mount these.
> Thanks Tim
>

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From: Chad Michael Tearney <tearney@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:29:14 -0300
Subject: looking for parts

Hey all, hope you can help.  I'm looking for a right fender, right
quarter, right door, rocker panel, quarter window, and all the trim for
the right side of my 67' Cutlass.  I've been searching for a while and
have come up empty handed.  Guess i'm just looking in the wrong places.
I would greatly appreciate any leads to these parts.  Thanks.


Chad Tearney
tearney@csd.uwm.edu

1967 Cutlass

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:38:23 -0300
Subject: Another Q-jet question

I read Dr. Bob's reply about the W-31 carb and my mind started working.
That is what the noise was :)  I have what I thought was a 70 carb on my
4-4-2, ª 7040257.  Yes I know it is not correct but it is close.  That
number is stamped into the body of the carb next to the throttle linkage
on the pad.  On the back side of the carb there is a circle cast into
the body with 7042***.(I don't have the rest of that ª handy)  The
7042*** designates it as a 72, but I can't find that exact number in my
literature.  Do I have a 70 or 72 carb?  If it is a 70, what is the
number in the circle for?

Thanks for the assistance,
Dave Wyatt
70 4-4-2

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From: Ron Barillaro <rbarillaro@img.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:42:31 -0300
Subject:

Anyone out there has a line on body parts for '71 Cutlass Supreme?  Need
left ft. fender; hood; grills and bumper(if available).  Can use own bumper
if necessary.  Car was pristeen until ª2 son decided to exchange paint with
a little old lady in a Hyundai Sonata at 35 m.p.h.  CONSEQUENCES: Cutlass
$1200.00 damage;  Hyundai
totalled  $7400.00.  Score one for Olds, you say?  WRONG! Score one for
Amnesty International as my son did not get recycled.  The car has 67,000
original miles on it.


Oh yeah, need said parts to be located close to or in Canada if possible.
(British Columbia)  Car has been idle for about 10 months looking for parts.
Any and all leads, however, would be appreciated.



Ron Barillaro
rbarillaro@img.net

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From: John and Elizabeth Gene <gene@cybernex.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 17:43:58 -0300
Subject: Attention  1964 98 fans

A customer of mine has a 1964 98 for sale. The car has slight damage on one
front fender, other then that the car is intact. The car is totally stock
both inside and out. He said it has a "400" motor in it. Can any one tell
me what motors in it and what the cars worth. Is anyone interested in the
car? It's currently on Long Island. I can get more information if there's
any interest.John
+================================+
| John and Elizabeth Gene        |
| mailto:gene@cybernex.net       |
| http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene |
+================================+

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:16:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Mondello Olds Nats

In a message dated 97-06-12 02:13:41 EDT, you write:

<< So who's all going to the Norwalk Olds meet?  I'll be there with my
 aqua 67 442 Convertible.  Its the one with the "Good From Far, Far From
 Good" thing going on..  I'll prob. go for afew hours Friday night, then
 try and talk the wife into going on Saturday.  This year I'll have
 plenty of film!

 Ken
  >>
Ken, the meet is actually Sunday.  read Mondello ª2 for the details, it was
posted to the olds list by me.

W MACHINES

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:22:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 Olds 442--info needed

In a message dated 97-06-12 13:03:52 EDT, you write:

<< Am going to look at it Saturday and this
 is what info. I've gotten so far.
   455 engine
   E-heads
   1022 Muncie 4 spd.
   3:42 gears in rear end
   1970 W-30 Ram Air hood
   7000 miles since rebuild-engine only
   170,000 on car
  Any advice on the value of this car would be appreciated. Their asking
 $7000.00. Seems steep to me but I've only driven ordinary Cutlasses and
 Delta 88's.  Thanks in advance, Don
  >>
The Vin number should start off with 344 for the 442 option.  7000.00 is good
if the car is in excellant condition.  If it has the ram air hood, it should
also have the OAI (outside air induction) air cleaner.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:09:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Putting in speakers

Greetings!

I did the exact same thing with my '85 Cutlass Supreme (Plus an Alpine
deck, 380 watt 4 channel amp and subwoofer).

Installing the speakers is easy.  You can buy plastic adapters at a car
audio shop designed specifically for this purpose.  They have screw holes
on top that line up with your old 4x8 screw holes on your rear deck behin=
d
the back seat, and on the bottom they have holes that line up with your n=
ew
6x9s.

Email me if you need any more hints installing your new speakers at
latvis@globalserve.net

Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme

- ----------
> From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Putting in speakers
> Date: ceturtdiena, 1997. gada 12. j=FBnijs 9:12
>=20
> Hello
> I have an 81 Cutlass Supreme and would like to put in a pair of 6x9 rea=
r
> speakers. Can anyone give me ideas on how to mount these.
> Thanks Tim
>=20

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:25:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum

Cool, now you don't have to brake when you come to a sharp turn in the
road!

- ----------
> From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum
> Date: ceturtdiena, 1997. gada 12. j=FBnijs 12:37
>=20
> >At 10:50 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Over this past weekend I noted that for the 1965 Dynamic 88 (sorry, I
have
> >>not the experience to extend this analogy to other years or models) t=
he
> >>master cylinders for power steering are _different_ than the master
cylinders
> >>for manual brakes.         ^^^^^^^^
> >            ^^^^^^
> >
>=20
> Right! The manual brakes MC have a smaller piston and longer throw. The
> power MC have a larger piston but shorter throw...
>=20
> >I hope so! I tried using my power steering cylinder on my manual-brake=
d
> >Toro, and it just didn't seem to work out right...
> >
> >;) [sorry, it's a slow day on this list...]
> >
>=20
> So that's why my 98 slows down when I make a turn.... ;-)
>=20
>=20
>=20
> ***********************************************************************=
**
> * THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )       =
 *
> *                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America   =
 *
> * LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.            =
 *
> *                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704               =
 *
> ***********************************************************************=
**
>=20
>=20
>=20

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 18:30:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum

Cool, now you don't have to hit the brakes when you come to a sharp turn =
in
the road, it happens automatically.  You should patent this and sell it t=
o
the Japs as a new safety feature!

- ----------
> From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum
> Date: ceturtdiena, 1997. gada 12. j=FBnijs 12:37
>=20
> >At 10:50 PM 6/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Over this past weekend I noted that for the 1965 Dynamic 88 (sorry, I
have
> >>not the experience to extend this analogy to other years or models) t=
he
> >>master cylinders for power steering are _different_ than the master
cylinders
> >>for manual brakes.         ^^^^^^^^
> >            ^^^^^^
> >
>=20
> Right! The manual brakes MC have a smaller piston and longer throw. The
> power MC have a larger piston but shorter throw...
>=20
> >I hope so! I tried using my power steering cylinder on my manual-brake=
d
> >Toro, and it just didn't seem to work out right...
> >
> >;) [sorry, it's a slow day on this list...]
> >
>=20
> So that's why my 98 slows down when I make a turn.... ;-)
>=20
>=20
>=20
> ***********************************************************************=
**
> * THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )       =
 *
> *                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America   =
 *
> * LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.            =
 *
> *                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704               =
 *
> ***********************************************************************=
**
>=20
>=20
>=20

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 1997 19:07:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Attention  1964 98 fans

At 05:43 PM 6/12/97 -0300, you wrote:
>A customer of mine has a 1964 98 for sale. The car has slight damage on one
>front fender, other then that the car is intact. The car is totally stock
>both inside and out. He said it has a "400" motor in it. Can any one tell
>me what motors in it and what the cars worth. Is anyone interested in the
>car? It's currently on Long Island. I can get more information if there's
>any interest.John

John,

If it's the original engine, it would be a 394 cubic inch V-8.  I guess 394
is pretty close to 400!

As far as value, certainly the damage doesn't help, but what body style is
it?  A convertible would be worth quite a lot.  A four sedan wouldn't be.
Also, what's the general condition aside from the damaged fender?

Dan



**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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