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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 19 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 725

Re: Ignorance For Sale
Re: Legal Problems
RE: Cars for sale
unsubscribe oldsmobile
Re: Legal Problems
Re: I need pictures for my page
Re[2]: 73 Omega for sale
Re: Legal Problems
Re: Poor Excuses and False Economy
Re: EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: Intrigues in stock
Re: FWD - Tic-Toc-Tac Repair Recomendations?
Re: '68 H/O (was B, O, or P 455? Which is better?)
Re: Ohio Turnpike
RE: Intrigues in stock
Re: '68 H/O (was B, O, or P 455? Which is better?)
Re: Race
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Overheating 455
Re: engine/head id
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Lansing Room needed
Re: 70 cutlass convertible
Re: '68 H/O (was B, O, or P 455? Which is better?)
Re: engine/head id
They say no question is a stupid one...
Updates
RE: Roadster Wanted
Re: Legal Problems
Re: Overheating 455
Got Connections?
Re: They say no question is a stupid one...
WANTED 1982-84  Olds 98
Re: Uhmerrikun (WAS Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense)
Re: Race
Painting Chrome
Re: They say no question is a stupid one...
Re: They say no question is a stupid one...
Re: Got Connections?
Re: Legal Problems
Re: EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Roadster Wanted
Re: Ohio Turnpike
Re: Lansing Room needed
Re: Race
F85 vs Cutlass
Re: Got Connections?
Re: EMF's Distributorless Ignition System
Re[2]: engine/head id
Re: Super 70's
Quad 4 Commercial
Re: Painting Chrome
Re: Roadster Wanted
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
AACA Show
Re: Finally
RE: Painting Chrome
Looking for replacement panels
Re: Super 70's

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:24:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Ignorance For Sale

Jar Lyons wrote:
>
> So what the hell is a 'bowtie'?

Goofy little neckwear fashionable in some professions...

- - OR -

A Ch*vy.

> Have you backed up your data today?

I thought you were going to do it.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:22:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

Brad Bowles wrote:
>
> I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in
> my car ('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts.  This is in
> California, so I don't know how different other states laws are.
> Several different laws have been passed regarding this problem, from a
> simple fine, to a fine for the passanger; but now it seems it is up to
> the officer to decide who gets the ticket.  And now it seems it is a
> moving violation and a point on your record.
>         I need to know if an Oldsmobile with a bench seat is considered a 6
> passanger car or not.  I need to know if it is legal for me to have a
> passanger in the center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no
> seatbelt is provided.  Any information will help greatly.
> Thanks
> Brad
> '70 442


In Texas, all front seat passengers are required to where a seat belt,
no exceptions. It is my understanding that the bench seat models are
considered to be a 6 passenger car. My '70 has a center seat belt,
wonder if yours has been removed? However, in Texas this violation is
just a simple $78 fine.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:12:22 -0300
Subject: RE: Cars for sale

Here is more information on this car. I don't know if it is a mistake or =
what. I have see some strange ads befor and this one could be added to =
the list. This information is what is listed on Classified2000.


1970, Oldsmobile=A0Cutlass Supreme, 750K miles, $10,000/OBO

                   Options
                                  maroon exterior, black (leather) =
interior
                                  Air Conditioning
                                  Anti-Lock Brakes
                                  Convertible
                                  Classic Car
                                  Two Door
                                  Automatic Transmission

Description Great condition convertible, only needs new top (has linen =
top with real glass back). All leather int. New paint. Runs like a bat, =
smooth ride.
Glass packs, nice rumble. Cruises at 70. Have not had any mechanical
problems in 6 years since purchase. Listed in OCBG at $18,500. Trying
to break even. For sell by Marcia Eliasen.

                   Seller Info
                                  For sale by private party

                                  (915) 942-0149 [Day]

                                  (915) 942-0149 [Eve]

                                  aaa598@ramail.angelo.edu

                                  San Angelo, Texas - All other cities =
76901

                   Post Date
                                  16-JUN-97


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...Past

__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Wed, Jun 18, 1997 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: Cars for sale
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Etzel Bobby wrote:
>
> Classifieds2000 sent me the following:
>
> 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 750K miles, $10,000, San Angelo, Texas =
Day: (915) 942-0149  Eve: (915) 942-0149
> Mail: aaa598@ramail.angelo.edu

What the? *750k* miles? That must be a typo. I don't think any car has
ever survived THAT long. If it is only 75k, it must be great if he wants
10k.

- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
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CreamerSoft=A9 Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:46:24 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:59:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

Did the car originally come without a center seatbelt?

I remember my old man's '69 F-85 having one.

- ----------
> From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Legal Problems
> Date: tre=F0diena, 1997. gada 18. j=FBnijs 12:02
>=20
> I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in
> my car ('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts.  This is in
> California, so I don't know how different other states laws are.=20
> Several different laws have been passed regarding this problem, from a
> simple fine, to a fine for the passanger; but now it seems it is up to
> the officer to decide who gets the ticket.  And now it seems it is a
> moving violation and a point on your record. =20
> I need to know if an Oldsmobile with a bench seat is considered a 6
> passanger car or not.  I need to know if it is legal for me to have a
> passanger in the center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no
> seatbelt is provided.  Any information will help greatly.
> Thanks
> Brad
> '70 442
>
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Founder and Chairman:

The Association Against the Japanization of the American=20
Automotive Industry

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at:=20
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 18:48:03 -0300
Subject: Re: I need pictures for my page

- ----------
> From:  MAT M NADROFSKY <MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: I need pictures for my page
> Date: tre=F0diena, 1997. gada 18. j=FBnijs 13:16
>=20
> What about some pictures of a '70 Olds with a 425 all decked out?

Sounds a lot like your car.

Do you need any photos scanned?  Let me know.
The same goes for anyone else on this list.

>=20
> ____
> Mat Nadrofsky
> 70 Olds Cutlass
>
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Founder and Chairman:

The Association Against the Japanization of the American=20
Automotive Industry

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at:=20
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)
=20

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:52:06 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 73 Omega for sale

Get some pictures to Chevy Craft!

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------
FWIW Dept.
There is a fellow that runs an Omega with a 468 (455 bored out) at the
local dragstrip.  The car runs on leaf springs with traction bars, 10 or
12 inch slicks, it is not tubbed, and has subframe connectors.  It runs
in the mid 7s (1/8 mile).  I do not know much else about the car other
than he has been racing it for 10 years that I know of.  It seems to be
a healthy big block but nothing radical.  Mid 7s in the 1/8 should be
mid 10s in the quarter, give or take a few tenths.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:09:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

Brad,
You're going to jail!

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:03:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Poor Excuses and False Economy

J2RKT@aol.com wrote:
>
>   If anyone can top this one, i'd love to hear it.
>
>        Howdee Folks,
>                               I just did a tune up on a 78 Cadillac Seville
> the other day and when i got started one of the first things i normally do
is > pull the air filter housing off of the engine to make a little bit more
room. >  Y'all would never guess what i found stuffed inside the inlet snorkle
--  a > bunch of paper towels !!!!!

Well, it's not quite as bad, but I know a person who won't push the turn
signal until it clicks and stays on.  He says he "wants to save them".

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 20:53:51 -0300
Subject: Re: EFI 455 for less $$...

smardale@airmail.net wrote:
>
> Electromotive Force, Inc. has a distributorless ignition/Sequential MP EFI
> system for around $1200.  Sounds a lot cheaper than the $3-4K figure
floating > around here.  It's completely programmable, and according to the
company works > very well with Olds BBs.  I have their distributorless
ignition already > (love it!) and will be upgrading my TBI (Holley) to EMF's
EFI system later > on this summer-- Keep you posted! If only my wife would
"allow" me to get a > blower too... Sigh, maybe next year. > > Scott
Martindale > smardale@airmail.net > 1965 Olds 442 Holiday Coupe > 1965 Olds
442 Convertible

When you installed the DIS did you notice an improvement in
mileage/power? How much?

Daren

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:08:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Intrigues in stock

Kevin Wong wrote:

> Paul, you should wait till next year when the Intrigue should be getting a
> "Short North" V6, which will displace around 3.5L and produce an estimated
> 220 hp.

You know, I was just thinking about this on the way home from work
tonite.  Besides, the shade of green I want in on late availablilty
status...

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:11:30 -0300
Subject: Re: FWD - Tic-Toc-Tac Repair Recomendations?

Brad,

I had the Tic-Toc-Tach out of my 70 Olds SX repaired by a company call
Clock-Doc down in TN.  My units guts were shot, I had a quartz
conversion done to the clock and a new meter movement put into the
tach.  The checked it all out and calibrated it, the total bill came to
$310.00.  If you are interested let me know and I will see if I can dig
up there phone number.

John Oder
70 Cutlass SX W-32

Bradford W. Nicholson wrote:

> Got this from my web site.  Reply to this person privately in addition
>
> to the group if possible, they aren't members of the newsgroup.
> Thanks
> ==========================================================
> >Subject: 442 clock-tach
> >  Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:43:58 -0500
> >  From: Nelda Fleharty <fleharty@esu9.esu9.k12.ne.us>
> >    To: brad442@erols.com
> >
> >I would appreciate some help with a little problem that I have:  is
> >there anyone in particular that you would reccommend to restore a
> >tic-toc-tac for my 1970 442???  Year One advertises such a service,
> >but I just think I should be able to do a little better price than
> the
> >$350 or so that they advertise.  I would really appreciate any info
> >that you could provide  Thank you.  Dennis
>  ---
> | | | Brad Nicholson
> | | | 1987 442 W-42
> |/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
> | | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
>  ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
> e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
> Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
> Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:51:32 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 H/O (was B, O, or P 455? Which is better?)

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Daren & Laurie wrote:
> >
> > I've seen '68 H/O that was stock (looking) on radials run 12.8-12.9
>
> Well, obviously it wasn't stock then. I have an issue of Motor Trend
> from April of '92. They tested a couple. The A/C-equipped model has a
> 0-60 in 6.6 and a quarter in 13.97/97.3 mph. The non A/C car turned a
> 13.9/103 mph pass. So, I'm guessing it had some "goodies" in it. A whole
> second means it's getting a little more fuel than it used to. I still
> like the 69 H/O better. I guess it's just that I feel that they might
> have ironed out some possible problems from '68. The color scheme is
> pretty cool too. I have a friend whose dad has one. I haven't got a ride
> yet, but I'm praying to.
>
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean

The only noticeable nonstock parts on the car were the radial tires. The
cars without a/c came with lower gears (w/a/c 3.08 wo/a/c 3.91) and some
also came with higher stall converters which would make them quicker.
Did m/t say anything about wheel spin problems on the car with out a/c?
24 years puts wear on an engine even if it is well maintained. With 6
more mph it should have lowered more than .07 the et. but anything is
possible. The Hurst Heritage book has a '68 listed with 12.97@108.17 and
6.5sec. 0-60 and '69 with 13.98@101.28 and 7sec. 0-60. One second and
7mph difference. The one I find hard to believe is the '69 AMC/Hurst
SS/AMX on Polyglas E70x14 it runs 10.13@131 you also got to love the
Hurst Gremlin-X Rescue System 1 car yup a Gremlin rescue vehicle.

Daren

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:52:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Ohio Turnpike

The Viking wrote:

> Take a look at http://www.ohioturnpike.org/conmap.html for a complete
> description (including dates) of all Ohio Turnpike construction information
>
> Al V.

Al,

Thanks for the information.  You helped me out quite a bit.  Got the
information I needed.

Thanks again,

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:20:59 -0300
Subject: RE: Intrigues in stock

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What about the 3800 II supercharged in the Intrigue? (I don't know much =
about the engine itself.. is it an OK engine or does it have problems?)

- -----Original Message-----
From:Paul Hartlieb [SMTP:plh@nbn.net]
Sent:Wednesday, June 18, 1997 1:08 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: Intrigues in stock

Kevin Wong wrote:
=20
> Paul, you should wait till next year when the Intrigue should be =
getting a
> "Short North" V6, which will displace around 3.5L and produce an =
estimated
> 220 hp.

You know, I was just thinking about this on the way home from work
tonite.  Besides, the shade of green I want in on late availablilty
status...

Paul

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Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:36:45 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 H/O (was B, O, or P 455? Which is better?)

At 09:51 PM 6/18/97 -0300, Daren & Laurie wrote:

>
>The only noticeable nonstock parts on the car were the radial tires. The
>cars without a/c came with lower gears (w/a/c 3.08 wo/a/c 3.91) and some
>also came with higher stall converters which would make them quicker.
>Did m/t say anything about wheel spin problems on the car with out a/c?
>24 years puts wear on an engine even if it is well maintained. With 6
>more mph it should have lowered more than .07 the et. but anything is
>possible. The Hurst Heritage book has a '68 listed with 12.97@108.17 and
>6.5sec. 0-60

This car is a ringer. It is the first one ever built and had a 4 speed,
headers, etc. Was Jack Watson's car.  Earlier in the book it tells about it.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....two of them

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 22:38:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Jonathan Look wrote:

>
>
> How big is your '76 98?
> My Delta 88 is 17 feet long and just over 6 feet wide...
> and it's solid steel (or whatever that really hard stuff is
> that it's made of)

>From extremity to extremity, Including a nice-big trailer hitch, my '75
98 was 20feet long, and my '76 appears to be the same.  I think 98's are
basically a stretched at the hood/trunk 88 as far as body goes..  AM I
wright?

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
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From: "Jason Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:19:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Actually, I remember reading in an older Car & Driver that the Quad442 ran
some pretty respectable quarter mile times.  The quarter was ran in 14.5 or
something and the 0-60 time was like 6.9 or 7.1; around there.  That's
M*st*ng GT territory (they used to be faster).

P.S. Sorry about the M*st*ng mention; my dad had a '92 that was soupped up
and ran REAL fast.  I loved it...now on to better things (rockets).

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

- ----------
> From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 1:29 PM
>
> Matt Cremean wrote:
> >
> > Listen to this ad I found in today's paper:
> >
> > Olds '90 Calais 442, 5 spd.,
> > Quad 4, 120k mi., good cond.
> >
> > 442 huh? Yeah right. Not traditionaly. Sacrilegious piece of junk if
you
> > ask me! Most likley a dual exhaust AT the muffler.
> >
> MATT!
>
> Look out!  You are going to tick off the Quad442 owners out there.
> While it is true that the newer Quad442 is NOT as noteworthy to most as
> the old-iron, keep in mind it is an OLDS, and the fact that the Olds
> Performance Engineering/Marketing had enough sense to grab at straws at
> the end does make it somewhat unique.
>
> Traditional muscle-car in the sense all of us muscle-era veterans have
> known, it is not.  Putting in perspective, I remember my dad said once
> that the lead-sleds of the 50's were the real hot-rods, not the
> new-fangled 60's crap!  He was from that era, I was not.  But I don't
> denounce anyone's Olds choice.  Look at it this way, if people like
> those cars, that means they won't be scarfing up all the 68-72 442's I
> so dearly love.  The newer cars may be quicker than the old ones, but
> there is a mystique about the older muscle cars with the BIG engines.
> I do believe I can't see anyone getting charged up looking at, say, a
> 1982 Cam*ro Pace Car and its big ol' 305 ten years from now.  But a 72
> H/O convertible.....ooohhh!
>
> If I felt differently, I can say the same thing about Vista Cruisers,
> Deltas, 98's, Toro's, Omegas, Achievas, Auroras.....I personally don't
> care for any of these.  Nice cars, don't get me wrong. Personally, I
> wouldn't go outta my way to get one.  But that's why they build more
> than one type of Olds.
>
> So let's not trash on Oldsmobiles, regardless of the model.  As long as
> Ch*vy, M*par, and F*rd are around, we got plenty of bashing material...
>
> my 2 cents,
> Mike Rothe
>

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:27:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Overheating 455

Well, since it's already at 8:1 compression, if ~I~ were ditching the
blower, I'd ~raise~ the compression ratio...


>My advice-ditch the blower and lower the compression ratio.

>>        A friend of mine recently had a blown 455 olds motor built
>for his 65
>>442. It is a hampton 6-71 running 8 to 1 compression


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:27:57 -0300
Subject: Re: engine/head id

>Well, the fact that it has "A" heads on it (they weren't "4A" heads
>(or 2A,
>3A, 5A or 7A , by chance? Are you sure the number wasn't covered in
>grease
>and grime?

Well, it was covered in grease and grime, but I scraped it off.  Just a
big capital "A" on the heads.

>Check the casting number to make sure) simply means that
>the
>heads are from a '65 big-block (400 or 425). If it _was_ a 403, then
>you'd
>see a big "403" cast in the side of the cylinder banks.

Didn't see a "403" cast into the side.  I'll have to go back and check
the block casting ª.

>Could be a
>good
>find; what are they asking for it?

The fellow said $300, "because if it says 'good' on it, we heard it run
before we took it out of the car it was in."  He said they might take
less; it was in a pile of core engines.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: "Jason Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:32:46 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Jason (the other one) is right.  We outta be ashamed of ourselves!  We are
trashing each other's Oldsmobiles like they're Ch*vies :-).  What is this
list called?  The "Oldsmobile Email List"...not the "Let's Trash Each
Other's Car and See Whose Car's Name Means What It Says List".  Just
imagine what a newcomer must think when he or she joins and reads this kind
of trash.  Sorry for being so hard, but we gotta understand that everybody
has their own opinion and everybody's car's name may not mean what it says.
 Matt: I'm sure that your Cutlass Supreme didn't come with ALL of the
factory options, so could it really be called _Supreme_?  My Cutlass Calais
doesn't come from Calais, France (what does Calais mean, anyway).  Sure,
the Quad442's (and that'd probably be 451, not 541, for 4 fuel injectors,
five on the floor, and a single exhaust) are not true to their name, but at
least Olds brought back the coveted name.

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+


> Hehe, I like all this stuff. You guys are hard on each other's Olds. Geez
> even my Chevy doesn't get bashed on like this here ;-) For the record my
80

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:33:38 -0300
Subject: Lansing Room needed

Boyz under the hood;

Got a guy who needs a room for Lansing... he may have posted something on
here, so sorry if this is a duplicate....

Please email Greg (Sparky) Kalkhoff at gkalkhof@execpc.com

Note, only one `f' in email address.

Thanks!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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From: DJV442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:42:07 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 cutlass convertible

from the info you have provided,i would offer/expect to pay in the $3-4000.00
range
hope this helps....djv442@aol.com

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:51:01 -0300
Subject: Re: '68 H/O (was B, O, or P 455? Which is better?)

Jason Labay wrote:

> This car is a ringer. It is the first one ever built and had a 4 speed,
> headers, etc. Was Jack Watson's car.  Earlier in the book it tells about it.
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
> 93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
> 80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm
> 75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....two of them

Yea it does say that earlier in the book been so long since I read it I
forgot about that. The 4 speed was stock for the first one. So the only
nonstock part(s) for the ª1 H/O was the headers. It also says non-a/c
cars got 308 dur. .474 lift cam and "free breathing Olds high
performance heads" a/c cars got normal heads and 442 auto cam.

Daren

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 23:55:55 -0300
Subject: Re: engine/head id

Dave Paulison wrote:
> Well, it was covered in grease and grime, but I scraped it off.  Just a
> big capital "A" on the heads.

'65 Big Block

> The fellow said $300, "because if it says 'good' on it, we heard it run
> before we took it out of the car it was in."  He said they might take
> less; it was in a pile of core engines.
>
> Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
> dpauliso@juno.com

I'd say that's way to much with out hearing it run. Offer $75 if you
hear it run and it sounds good $150 at the most.

Daren

------------------------------

From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:07:33 -0300
Subject: They say no question is a stupid one...

OK,
This may be a harsh question, but I am definitely a newbie.  As listed
on Build sheets that I have seen, what is the W-29 "Option"?  Thanks for
any info!

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
- ------------------------------------
http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
- ------------------------------------
Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:45:25 -0300
Subject: Updates

Howdy, all...

Got the Toro fired up, that's the good news. Runs under its own power.

Runs kinda crappy. I know this motor was OK before... traded a fine 455 away
for it. I saw it run. Oh, guess the dwell might be off. No time to do a simple
tune-up yet. It moves in Fwd... SHIT, NO BRAKES. Reverse works, too. OK.
PWindows even work better now.

Need to get the windows out, V. top redone, and windows replaced now... And
that motor running right.

If the motor's not OK, then another will have to be found. Hey, I have this
neat tri-carb motor, never been fired, needs a home. I have a spare crappy-ish
68 Toro hood that would not mind a hole in it!  Maybe.... That'd sure be neat.
One thing for sure, the hardtop is not gonna be presentable by showtime. Too
much project, everyone is already busy. \

On the metal yard front: Got a '70 455 last Friday, had to leave the '66 330
motor there. Bummer, by Monday the 330 was atop the pile. Carb smashed,
RACovers smashed, brackets bent. Oh well, got it today, traded body shop's
scrap for it.... Badly weathered. Bad block & pistons, rods. Extractable: 4V
intake, w/ choke coil, heads?, forged crank, early pattern flexplate, exhaust
manifolds, etc. Has weird aftermarket?  A/C pump mounted on the RH side.
Ford-ish AC pump... extra idler pulleys. The carb WAS a '256? suitable for 400
motors, too. Now missing the back barrels. Good cutaway candidate?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:50:34 -0300
Subject: RE: Roadster Wanted

Here is the info posted a bit earlier:
Bobby and whoever else cares,

The Trader magazines are online (Old Car Trader, C*rvette Trader, Boat
Trader, etc.)  If you go to the Collector Car Search, you'll find a whole
BUNCHA Oldsmobiles... quite often at much more reasonable prices ;)  The
addy is:

www.traderonline.com (I think)

- -

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 00:52:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

According to how they classify wagons - the front bench holds 3 adults, the
rear bench holds 3 adults & the rear seat holds three "small people", i.e.
the 9 passenger wagon.  I've often heard a bench referenced as seating 3
adults.

Try that as a viable defense - that's how they're ADVERTISED!!!!!

Former legal secretary -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:07:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Overheating 455

In a message dated 97-06-18 13:53:23 EDT, you write:

> Hi All,
>          A friend of mine recently had a blown 455 olds motor built for his

> 65
>  442. It is a hampton 6-71 running 8 to 1 compression and mild cam. He is
>  having trouble with this engine overheating in a very shot time (6-8
miles).
>  It has a new waterpump and I asked him to recheck it to make sure the
>  impeller is not freewheeling at times. He had a new radiator made for it I
>  believe it is a 5 core (didn't know they made them that big) got a 160
> degree
>  stat in it. I live about 70 miles from him so haven't looked at the car my
>  self. Do blown cars make that much extra heat?. What else could he check
>  before he puts the car on a trailor and heads to the guy who built the
motor
>  (about an 8 hour drive). Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Steve

Does the car have the proper fan and fan shroud?  I just read an excellent
article about supercharging in Super Ch*vy (sorry!).  The article said the
compression process itself causes more heat to be produced.  It suggested
installing an intercooler (similar to a turbocharger intercooler) to reduce
the heat.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: "Kaye Kimball" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:21:46 -0300
Subject: Got Connections?

My '86 442 restoration is going super expensively well but it seems I'm
going to have no luck locating T-Tops.  I've got a guy at a salvage yard
who seems to have his sources but he's also coming up empty.  Anybody got a
name of a place who might specialize in this area, or anybody got any for
sale?

- -Topless in Las Vega$
jdkim@lvdi.net

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:29:05 -0300
Subject: Re: They say no question is a stupid one...

At 12:07 AM 6/19/97 -0300, you wrote:
>OK,
>This may be a harsh question, but I am definitely a newbie.  As listed
>on Build sheets that I have seen, what is the W-29 "Option"?  Thanks for
>any info!
>
>--
>Daniel R. Gerow
>dgerow@stonehill.edu
>WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
>------------------------------------
>http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
>------------------------------------
>Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
>

Daniel

        The W-29 option is the code for a 442. It was used from 1964-1967
and then again from 1972-1980 or so as the 442 was an option on a Cutlass or
F-85. During the 68-70 years the 442 was it's own separate series of cars.
Documenting W-29 requires paperwork and the presence of some manditory
options. Hope this clears it up for you.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:33:35 -0300
Subject: WANTED 1982-84  Olds 98

I'm looking for a low mileage(<50K) original condition 1982-84  Olds 98 4
Door with a 307 gas V8. NO desiels, 2 Drs or Deltas. Must be in the
SouthWest US(SF Bay area preferred)  Leads appreciated. Yeah grandma's car!

Jeff

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 01:47:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Uhmerrikun (WAS Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense)

especially if one assumes you're talking about the propensity of
> ovals and curves in the styling of cars here in the mid to late 90s.
> The first cars like this were built in 1984.  In the US. And were called
> the Taurus and the Sable.
Exactly!  Look at pre 84 cars, Japaneese and American, then look at late
80's to present cars. NOW, take a look at the 84 Taurus and Tempo.
Actually you can go back one year prior and look at the 83 Thunderbird,
actually the FIRST truely areodynamic car ever built.  Just ask a early
80's era NASCAR Monte Carlo driver. ;)
- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:00:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

>
>         The only thing is, (i don't even know if it's a problem or not)
> is that the tires don't seem to squeel all that well.  I don't do this
> very often, but I've tried it a few times and a lot of my friends
> say it doesn't squeel the way a 455 should.
>
>         All I can think of is that the acceleration is so bad it
> doesn't jump again fast enough to squeel.

hahaha Well, most folks would not think thats a problem.  BUT the two
455's I had did nothing BUT "squeel" the tires, they had 510 ft lbs of
torque.  I honestly dont have a clue what your car weighs but that would
be a major factor even in the mile.  All I have to go on is 70 Buick
performance in a skylark/chevelle/tempest/cutlass A body style.
> --
> *****************************************************************
>         There's no easy way out, there's no shortcut home,
> *       There's no easy way out, givin' in can be wrong.        *
> *****************************************************************

- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:21:21 -0300
Subject: Painting Chrome

I would like to paint the chrome on my 81 CS. As much as I like the way
it makes the car look its a major pain in the butt to clean 2.5 hrs
every sunday. Anyway I've sanded down a few pieces and just sprayed them
with Krylon paint they've turned out good but will it hold? Should i
prime before i paint? I know that is the general rule of thunb but I was
told just Krylon would be fine. Show me the way

Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme (under construction)
80 Mustang (Ford sucks, Winter Beater!!)
80 Camaro (1st baby broken bad)

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From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 02:37:56 -0300
Subject: Re: They say no question is a stupid one...

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:

>         The W-29 option is the code for a 442. It was used from 1964-1967
> and then again from 1972-1980 or so as the 442 was an option on a Cutlass or
> F-85. During the 68-70 years the 442 was it's own separate series of cars.
> Documenting W-29 requires paperwork and the presence of some manditory
> options. Hope this clears it up for you.
>

Ok, the 442 part I had right, thank you.  I own a '69 442 with the
factory build sheet stating that it came through with the W-29 option,
but what other options are required....thanks again!

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
- ------------------------------------
http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
- ------------------------------------
Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

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From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 05:07:37 -0300
Subject: Re: They say no question is a stupid one...


> Ok, the 442 part I had right, thank you.  I own a '69 442 with the
> factory build sheet stating that it came through with the W-29 option,
> but what other options are required....thanks again!

The 442 for 69 was in it's base form...a 442.  That's because, here again,
as James Chermack said, the 68-71 442 was its own separate body line.  You
won't find the word "Cutlass" anywhere on it.  In 69 the base 442 came with
a 400 cid, 4-bbl, dual exhaust with cutout bumper and trumpets, 3 speed
synchro-mesh transmission with Hurst floor shifter, and rear swaybar/boxed
rear lower control arms, and I do believe, a 3.08 rear end gear.   It also
had paint stripes outlining the "power bulges" on the hood and a single
pinstripe at the trunk edge, outlining the tail lights, 442 badging,
special grill, (blacked-out egg-crate) and woodgrain applique on the dash.
It came with 14 X 6 wheels, with F-70-14 bias ply tires standard equipment.

Strange thing about the build sheet though.....the W-29 is an OPTION
package to signify a 442 package on a Cutlass, not as an option ON a
442....major performance options usually started with a "W" code from Olds,
similar to the "Z" codes for Ch*vys.

Of course, GM is and was known to do stupid things that didn't make sense.
Here's a good one for ya.  A while back we beat this horse into the
ground....Check your body plate under the hood.  You'll find an ST 69 then
a number that starts out like 33687, 33667, 34487, or 34467.  Tell us which
one you have, and the VIN number off the dash.  In fact, if you give us all
the information on the body tag, we'll tell you what color, interior, and
the week and month it was built, and in what plant it came from.

I hope these things help out.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 09:25:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Got Connections?

Kaye Kimball wrote:
>
> My '86 442 restoration is going super expensively well but it seems I'm
> going to have no luck locating T-Tops.  I've got a guy at a salvage yard
> who seems to have his sources but he's also coming up empty.  Anybody got a
> name of a place who might specialize in this area, or anybody got any for
> sale?
>
> -Topless in Las Vega$
> jdkim@lvdi.net
- --------------------------------------------------

Call Muscle Car Headquarters, in Farmingdale, Long Island NY ask for
Ray. If he doesn't have them, he can get you them.....fast! (516)
753-0720 Tues-Fri 4pm-10pm, Sat 12noon-8pm, Sun-Mon closed

* One note about MCH, they have or can get anything, sometimes they're
expensive, but all the time worth it !

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:12:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>

>I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in
>my car ('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts.
>         I need to know if it is legal for me to have a
>passanger in the center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no
>seatbelt is provided.  Any information will help greatly.

My '70 442 Bench seat has belts for the center passenger.  Are
you sure yours is original?  In my car the seat looks pretty messy
with all the extra belts.  Maybe a previous owner removed yours
for a cleaner look?

btw, I've never had a passenger in the front center, as it seems
that shifting would be rather uncomfortable for them...  :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442 4-speed

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From: dmccain@transcard.com (David Mccain)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:08:57 -0300
Subject: Re: EFI 455 for less $$...

can anyone tell me how to get off this mailing list?? HELP!

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From: dmccain@transcard.com (David Mccain)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:07:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

can anyone tell me how to get off this mailing list?? HELP!

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From: dmccain@transcard.com (David Mccain)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:07:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Roadster Wanted

can anyone tell me how to get off this mailing list?? HELP!

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From: dmccain@transcard.com (David Mccain)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:06:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Ohio Turnpike

can anyone tell me how to get off this mailing list???? HELP!

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:14:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing Room needed

For anyone who has a room booked for the Centennial, check with your hotel to
see if they are putting you in a double. If so, you can help Greg out, and
make the stay a little cheaper for you and Greg.


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

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             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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Boyz under the hood;

Got a guy who needs a room for Lansing... he may have posted something on
here, so sorry if this is a duplicate....

Please email Greg (Sparky) Kalkhoff at gkalkhof@execpc.com

Note, only one `f' in email address.

Thanks!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:39:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

The Cutlass and Lumina speed?  If you have a tach, you will notice that
the Lumina is governed to 4000 RPM in high gear and Park/Neutral.  This
translates to a top speed of 105-106 with 2.84 gears and not in
overdrive.  Also, the earlier years of the Lumina, base models did not
get OD, and the Eurosport did.  Never had one of those to top out.  My
91 did the 105-106.  As for top speed, engine rpm dictates speed, not
the size of it.  If a 455 redlines at 5000 rpm and a 350 is 6000, both
with 3.08 gears, the 350 will be faster up till there is so much
areodynamic drag that the 350 doesn't have enough power to push it.

My 1976 Delta 88 with 2.73's and the Rocket 350 topped out well over the
120 mph mark.  The speedo goes to 100, I have the couterbalance on the
needle past 45 mph, so essenitally it was straight down.  I was nearing
redline, or past it, but that 280ZX could not keep up at the speeds past
100.  He was mad too!  I had it to 95 in second as a max, and that was
screaming a bit, it was very resitricted at that RPM.  My Rocket motor
was very strong, and suprised many that a 4860 lb beast could move,
easecially on the highway where they thought they had power!  My first
ticket was running a 68 Cougar, he slowed and I was over 100 when the
radar detector went off.  He wrote me for 73.  Nice guy, I think he
liked old Olds'.

The only mod done was a 79 Olds 6.6 Litre hood scoop UNDER the hood, it
matched up to the back of the hood perfect for some cold air in.  Miss
the old girl, sold her to a friend for $500 in 86, he sold it to another
friend, who drove her past 200,000 (never opened it up except for a
timing chain at 142,000.  He claimed the tranny went (THM 375, alias THM
400) and he junked the car, the body had some rust, the engine got
pulled and stuck in a 76 Cutlass.  At least it went to a good home.


Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 11:41:05 -0300
Subject: F85 vs Cutlass

My 76 Olds Service manual makes some references to a F85 for some
operations, like F85-Cutlass-Omega or something like that.  Was there a
76 F85?  Was is an overseas model like the Rust@ng here, T5 overseas?

Just wondering

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 06:52:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Got Connections?

Kaye Kimball wrote:
>
> My '86 442 restoration is going super expensively well but it seems I'm
> going to have no luck locating T-Tops.  I've got a guy at a salvage yard
> who seems to have his sources but he's also coming up empty.  Anybody got a
> name of a place who might specialize in this area, or anybody got any for
> sale?
>
> -Topless in Las Vega$
> jdkim@lvdi.net

Topless,

I probably missed your posts on this subject as I have been gone a
while, fowled up my computer & generally created havoc - actually not
created it; only borrowed it from Sparky & the '66 Toro as they are it's
creators.  I may know where a set or single piece are.  Are these
different from any other G body panels?  What should I have to pay?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 12:34:26 -0300
Subject: Re: EMF's Distributorless Ignition System

>
>When you installed the DIS did you notice an improvement in
>mileage/power? How much?
>
>Daren
>
___________________________________________________________

The difference was fairly noticable-- The biggest improvement
was the elimination of any remaining bog under heavy
acceleration. It's not a cheap way to go, but the individual
cylinders like having their own coil delivering 90,000 volts,
and the spark timing is completely programmable.

Later!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:45:41 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: engine/head id

A 45 degree cam can't be that much more, can it? For the money and time
being spent, isn't it worth a bit more to know exactly where the cam is?

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

I found out that we can use the Edelbrock Performer-Plus cam in
our engines.  It distorts the Cam specs a little but it does not
damage anything in the engine.

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:19:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Super 70's

What about the convertibles in "Beverly Hills Cop 2" and "navy Seals"

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 13:48:18 -0300
Subject: Quad 4 Commercial

Hey Daren!
            Regarding those comparison commercials, I got a call from Lansing
asking me if I wanted to let them fly my car out to California for the shoot.
When I was told the nature of the commercial, I said they could have mine
when, and only when, they
proved their claim by beating mine. They never called back!
                                              Ron Forsee 65 442-Meister
                                               (13.22 @ 111 mph.)

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:00:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Painting Chrome

At 02:21 AM 6/19/97 -0300, uknowme wrote:
>I would like to paint the chrome on my 81 CS. As much as I like the way
>it makes the car look its a major pain in the butt to clean 2.5 hrs
>every sunday. Anyway I've sanded down a few pieces and just sprayed them
>with Krylon paint they've turned out good but will it hold? Should i
>prime before i paint? I know that is the general rule of thunb but I was
>told just Krylon would be fine. Show me the way

I was always told it is better to strip the chrome off a part you want to
paint? Maybe some of the more experienced can help?
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm
75 Hurst/Olds W-25.....two of them

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:02:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Roadster Wanted

In a message dated 97-06-19 11:16:18 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:RE: Roadster Wanted
 Date:97-06-19 11:16:18 EDT
 From:cheek@freegate.net (Kevin Cheek)
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca ('oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca')

 Thanks, Lisa.

 Is the Auto Trader & Recycler Online a www site or is this a generic
descriptor for category?
  >>


FOR AUTOTRADER ITS     WWW.TRADERONLINE.COM

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:08:51 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

In a message dated 97-06-19 12:38:53 EDT, you write:

<< Hmmm. Seems I've started a war. Okay, drop it! I'm sick of trying to
 explain my point of view and explain that it is MY OPINION and that
 everybody is now kicking my a** because I feel a certain way! IN MY
 OPINION, THIS CAR IS NOT A 442 (or 4-4-2, however you feel like it
 should be spelled)!!!! There!! We're done! NOW!
=20
 --=20
 **********************************
 Matt Cremean
 Ev_Corp Main Admin.
 delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
 +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D
 CreamerSoft=A9 Software
 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
 +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D
 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
 ******** >>

73??? HEY MATT A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT REAL OLDS'S ENDED IN 72!!!

EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OPINIONS ON WHATS WHAT BUT I SAY LIVE AND LET LIVE AN=
D
LOVE THE ONES YA LOVE...

WE NEED TO BE HELPING EACH OTHER NOT FLAMING THE CRAP OF EVERYTHING.....J=
MO
  cya

TIM
68442Cnvrtbl/87TType/76Delta88/others

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:18:26 -0300
Subject: AACA Show

Olds and Toro List members-

There's a big Antique Auto Club of America show (national level) being held
here in Gaithersburg MD where I live, starting today, Thursday June 19 (like
NOW!) thru Saturday.  Also has a good-sized SWAP MEET with it... I'm heading
over there as soon as I finish here... if any of you who are within driving
distance get crazy and decide to attend this thing, get in touch with me so
we can meet!

Brief directions, get in touch if you need more... from Washington DC area,
north on Interstate 270 to exit 11, Route 124, Montgomery Village Avenue,
right at first light (after the one on the bottom of the exit ramp) on Route
355, first right on Perry Parkway (@ Montgomery Ward/Toys R Us), to
Montgomery County Fairgrounds.  Parking suggestions:  Rear of shopping center
or Hilton Hotel.

Regards,

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us
home phone 301/948-4867

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:58:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Finally

>
> What Kind of CAPS and how much$ ???
>
> Pat McDermott
> 69 Cutlass 'S'
>
>
The caps were metal chrome with gold over black centers. They cost
$30.25 here in Phila. PA

Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

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From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 14:56:48 -0300
Subject: RE: Painting Chrome

At 02:21 AM 6/19/97 -0300, uknowme wrote:
>I would like to paint the chrome on my 81 CS. As much as I like the way
>it makes the car look its a major pain in the butt to clean 2.5 hrs
>every sunday. Anyway I've sanded down a few pieces and just sprayed them
>with Krylon paint they've turned out good but will it hold? Should i
>prime before i paint? I know that is the general rule of thunb but I was
>told just Krylon would be fine. Show me the way

If you are trying to do a job that will last, the chrome needs to be
stripped
off (Very messy and if not done right will upset the local environmental
folks).  The other option would be to progressively sand the pieces to
be
painted, e.g. starting with 100-120 grit and working up to about a 200
grit
Then use a primer that includes a filler to catch all the minor
imperfections.
Block sand from 240 to 300 grit and then spray on your color coat.



Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme

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From: "Little Wolf" <lwolf@skypoint.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:31:48 -0300
Subject: Looking for replacement panels

I am restoring a '65 F-85 convertible and I can't seem to find anyplace
that has patch panels for the rear quarters. I was wondering if anyone knew
where I could locate them. Thank you

Jason
lwolf@skypoint.com

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 1997 16:26:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Super 70's

In a message dated 97-06-19 14:55:22 EDT, you write:

<< ubj:Re: Super 70's
 Date:97-06-19 14:55:22 EDT
 From:Yorcoy@aol.com
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 What about the convertibles in "Beverly Hills Cop 2" and "navy Seals"
  >>

AND THE RED 68 CUTLASS CONVERT FROM BAYWATCH AND THE RED 442 CONVERT THAT
LOOKS LIKE MINE FROM THAT "LASSITER?" MOVIE WITH GERALD MCRANEY....THANKS

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