
oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, July 30 1997       Volume 01 : Number 777



Re: Where's my Olds...
RE: 72 Cutlass 455
Re: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?
Re: 68 442 RH Fender
Re: 72 Cutlass 455
Re: 72 Cutlass 455
Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car
Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Drag radials
Oldsmobile Day
Re: Part needed 
Re: what acually is a "SX"
Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
Re: Drag radials
Re: Hoosier rubber
Re: Oldsmobile Day
Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: Plastic for grilles
Re: olds delta 88 Royale 1976
Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car
Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car
Parts for 84 H/O
Re: LANSING
Oldsmobile Chair For Sale (7/30)
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I  and lansing travel advice
Re: LANSING
Re: Oldsmobile Day Drag's in R.I
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
weather stripping recomendations
1949 - 1998 Fullsize OCA chapter forming
Re: Where's my Olds...
70 442 convertible 4-speed
Re: weather stripping recomendations
Chicago Olds Meet This Weekend!
RE: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
RE: 70 442 convertible 4-speed
Re: Drag radials
Re: H/O -- Hearse
RE: 70 442 convertible 4-speed
Pgh to Lansing. Anyone?
Re: 70 442 convertible 4-speed
Re: Where's my Olds...
1970 w-30 4-speed
Rear wing 
Air Pump Uses
Re: Part needed 
Re: Air Pump Uses
'58 Olds FS
Re: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?
Re: Air Pump Uses
My current happenings....  (was:  Union, IL car show & list meet)
dream car
Re: My current happenings.... (was: Union, IL car show & list meet)
ADMIN: Assist Needed (was: Re: LANSING)
w-30 ID
Re: dream car
Re: w-30 ID
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: 1970 w-30 4-speed
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: 1970 w-30 4-speed
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:26:42 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Where's my Olds...

Mike Hall wrote:
> 
> After thouroughly reading my literature from Oldsmobile as a display
> participant. I came upon the following line:
> 
> "We ask that once your car is slotted in its display space you leave it
> there until your departure from Lansing."

I'm reading this literally as "we ask".  They are not saying that "you
must".  We were told a while ago that we would be able to come and go as
we pleased.  That's what I'm counting on.  What if it would rain?  Maybe
I want to take the car and go somewhere where I can do something inside.

> My rocket fueled question to those participating in the display, when are
> some of you planning to place your vehicle in its space

Haven't decided that on yet.  Probably Wed.  Maybe Thur.  Don't know for
sure.

> and two, once
> it's there will you be removing it daily or leaving it and using their
> shuttle service?

I have every intention of bringing my car back to the hotel with me
every night.  Anything that can happen in the hotel parking garage can
happen just as easily on the showfield.  What if something happens in
the middle of the night and I need a car - fast.  Won't do to have mine
parked across town.  I'll sleep better knowing the my car's on home
turf.

> The paragrah on page two goes into some detail that 24
> hour security from the Lansing Police force will be made available for
> the car displays...(I feel safer already...)

That's one drawback of parking at the hotel, no security.  But I'm
figuring the hotel will have some kind of patrol just for it's regular
guests.
  
> Personally, I don't care to be 15 miles from my Olds and having to wait
> for some shuttle to drive me around every morning and evening...

My sentiments exactly.  I'll be bad enough using the shuttle the rest of
the time.  What do you do when you want to leave and the shuttle is full
and you have to wait for the next one?  How many other hotels will the
shuttle have to stop at on it's way to your car?  How long will they
wait at each hotel to pick up passengers?  A short trip could turn into
an hour.  On the other hand, traffic is gonna be a mess.

I'm not paranoid about anything happening to the car.  Heck, something
could happen to it at home or at work.  But if something does happen to
it, I'll take great consolation in the fact that it was my own fault for
taking it back to the hotel and not the fault of someone I don't even
know who had too many cars to watch over.  If they've got 2000+ cars
there they can't be watching all of them all of them time. 

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 02:31:42 UT
From: "Daniele Scopone" <DrOldsmo@msn.com>
Subject: RE: 72 Cutlass 455

Year One will have the parts your looking for.....the prices are steep but 
reasonable for the quality of the parts.....1-800-950-9503

- ----------
From: 	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Wagner, John
Sent: 	Tuesday, July 29, 1997 7:52 PM
To: 	'oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca'
Subject: 	72 Cutlass 455

I just bought a 72 Cutlass with a 455 in it. I need interior parts -
door panels, a full dash, front grill, etc.

Any pointers/sources would be appreciated	

Regards..John

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 22:47:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?

the northeast ohio chapter show is august 17 at carnation mall. hope to see
you there, i'll more than likely be there helping my dad sell parts(i'm
15).hope this helps.

brent
1967 cutlass conv.
 (being restored)

dad(wayne)
1972 cutlass conv.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:02:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 RH Fender

dan, email me about 68 fender, steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:02:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass 455

i deal in 68-72 olds,cutlass,442,f-85,vista cruzer parts. let me know what
you need,maybe i can help.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:08:16 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass 455

>I just bought a 72 Cutlass with a 455 in it. I need interior parts -
>door panels, a full dash, front grill, etc.
>
>Any pointers/sources would be appreciated	

If you want these new, there are many sources. To name a few: Year One,
Fusick, Brothers, Olds Parts USA, Supercars Unlimited. You can get their
addresses from the Olds web page: http://www.442.com

Good luck!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:14:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car

I have a 70 conv. supreme, where are you located? I'm in Boise IDAHO

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Date: 29 Jul 1997 19:51:56 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

I am just inquiring if anybody knows if Hurst still manufactures the
Dual gate shifter?  I've become very interested in finding one..

Mike Jones
'78 88 2dr

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:55:12 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Drag radials

Hi Everybody,

I was wondering if anybody has used the BF Goodrich drag radials on
there Olds???? I was at the track last Wednesday and didn't notice
anyone running them....

Also, I have recently started cleaning (more like organizing, or trying
to) my garage and came across some parts that I would like to sell
(cheap):

- - drives side head pipe and tail pipe for a 71 Cutlass w/ 350 new, never
installed (Walker)

- - one set of BB Chevy heads (oval port)

- - two 8" Ford rear ends, fit M2 or Pinto one 3:00 open, the other 3:50
posi

- - one B.O.P. TH350 non lockup

I am almost positive that nobody on the list would be interested in the
brand X parts but if you know anybody that is please forward this
message... all of these parts are located just north of Boston.

Thanks!!!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:06:57 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile Day

Hi,

I was wondering if any New England list members are going to Oldsmobile
day at New England dragway on Sat. August 16th??? 


Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 20:36:20 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Part needed 

I am in need of the pass rear wheel well trim.  I was also wondering how
much they'd want for the carb - if its a 4 bbl. & looks in fairly good shape.

Thanks much -

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:30:31 -0500
From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iAmerica.net>
Subject: Re: what acually is a "SX"

At 03:02 AM 7/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>does any one know production fig. on 71 sx? i know there low. have heard gm
>kept no      record on them. that is to say they were fig. into cutlass
>supreme production.                    w30442cs@aol.com
>
> 
1971 had a production of 2177 SX Cutlass Supremes, which consisted of 1820
hardtops and 357 convertibles. BTW, 1970 had a production of 7197.

rbishop@iamerica.net
71 SX

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 23:33:20 -0500
From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iAmerica.net>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

At 05:51 AM 7/29/97 +0000, you wrote:
>------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
>From:          "AD1 VICKROY AIMD/IM2 7593" <v4774@boxer.navy.mil>
>Organization:  USS Boxer (LHD 4)
>To:            M6459@boxer.navy.mil
>Date:          Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:55:12 +0000
>Subject:       (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
>Reply-to:      v4774@merc-gw.boxer.navy.mil
>Priority:      normal
>
>
>Subject:       Great Sex!!!!!
>
>Great Sex Chain Letter
>
>YOU WILL EXPERIENCE GREAT SEX within four days of receiving this letter, 
>provided you send it on. Since the copy must tour the world, you must 
>make ten copies and send them to others. This is no joke. Send no money. 
>Send copies to people who need to GET LAID within 96 hours. 
>
>After he passed this letter on, a Montana Spinach Control Officer got 
>his penis stuck in a cow-milking machine and had the longest series of 
>orgasms of his life. 
>
>John Elliot tried to pick up a prostitute, but, because he broke the 
>chain, was picked up by the police instead. When they searched his home, 
>they found magazines of little boys which they showed to his neighbors. 
>
>In a suburb of Paris, Don Loray's trousers were ripped by an unsatisfied 
>erection 51 days after failing to circulate the letter. However, before 
>this happened, a condom machine gave him three condoms for the price of 
>one (was this the consolation prize?). 
>
>Do note the following: Hebert Pudstrom received the letter in 1953. He 
>asked his secretary to make ten copies and send them out. A few days 
>later he encountered her in a red-light district making more than he had 
>ever paid her at work. 
>
>General George Patton, who sent the letter on, saw what he thought was a 
>quarter in the street. When he bent down to pick it up, a beautiful 
>woman in a miniskirt walked by, and he got a great view. 
>
>Heywood Daddit, an unemployed chicken choker, received the letter and 
>forgot that it had to leave his hands within 96 hours. His wife then 
>went bowling with his best friend and never returned. Later, after 
>finding the letter again, he mailed ten copies. A few days later he got 
>a new wife and discovered that his old wife, who he thought was 
>wonderful, had made love to him like a dead salmon for all these years! 
>
>Alan Fairchild received the letter and, not believing, threw the letter 
>away. Nine days later he spilled hot coffee on his crotch. 
>
>YES, I'M GONNA GET LAID!! I WILL SEND OUT TEN COPIES!! 
>(SEND OUT TEN COPIES GUYS, UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR MAGAZINES FOUND!) 
>
>Submitted by: James Anthony Savage 
>
>
KEEP THIS GARBAGE OUT OF HERE!
GO GROW UP!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:48:41 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: Drag radials

Steve B. wrote:
> 
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has used the BF Goodrich drag radials on
> there Olds???? I was at the track last Wednesday and didn't notice
> anyone running them....
> 
> Also, I have recently started cleaning (more like organizing, or trying
> to) my garage and came across some parts that I would like to sell
> (cheap):
> 
> - drives side head pipe and tail pipe for a 71 Cutlass w/ 350 new, never
> installed (Walker)
> 
> - one set of BB Chevy heads (oval port)
> 
> - two 8" Ford rear ends, fit M2 or Pinto one 3:00 open, the other 3:50
> posi
> 
> - one B.O.P. TH350 non lockup
> 
> I am almost positive that nobody on the list would be interested in the
> brand X parts but if you know anybody that is please forward this
> message... all of these parts are located just north of Boston.
> 
> Thanks!!!!
> 
> Steve
> 71 Cutlass S 455
> 93 Mustang LX 5.0

I know several people at the track (sears point) that run the drag
radials and none of them like them.  They don't grip, they wear fast,
and cost more that the others.  Most people say, for the best "street
legal" tires, the M&H tires are the way to go
Brad
70 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 21:48:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "H. Karamanos" <hikara@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Hoosier rubber

Olds were made to put large politically incorrect black strips on the
pavement, why else would you have 500 ftlbs of torque.  Smoke those tires
till you cant see the blue of the sky.  Just look in the mirror first I
say.  Then make the neighbors call the fire dept. cause they think the
place is burning down.  I believe in rubber on the ground and the century
mark every time I take one of mine out, other wise why did I start the
thing up.  I mean I could just take the F*&d wagoon or the
Shove-it-or-leave-it pickup for a mundane drive.  Rocket power when you
drive the Rocket.  That is a rocket emblem in flight isn't it.  I'm glad
to see real use of an olds.

   47rocket98  jack

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:21:31 -0400
From: jprand@juno.com (James P Rand)
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Day

	I didn't know that Olds day even existed, but I'll try to make
it. by the way, this question is for anyone who can help. There was talk
of a drag strip that was going to be put in Rhode Island, and then all of
a sudden, I never heard anything more about it. Does anyone know the
progress of this track, or if it will even exist? Thanks.

Jim Rand
'86 Olds Cutlass Supreme 307cid


On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 00:06:57 -0400 "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net> writes:
>Hi,
>
>I was wondering if any New England list members are going to 
>Oldsmobile
>day at New England dragway on Sat. August 16th??? 
>
>
>Steve
>71 Cutlass S 455
>93 Mustang LX 5.0
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:42:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)

> Hey Kevin I asked my parts store guy about the R-406a and they said 
> they no longer sell it because of its flamability.  They were saying that
>  its dangerous.  Is this true? I would like to find out more about it so I
>  guess Ill do a Net Search and find out more. If anyone is aware of the
>  pro's and con's of 406a I would love to see posts because it seems the
>  general concensus is that 134a is not the right  thing to do for the older
>  cars.  Anybody???   TIM

Hi Tim,

R-406a, by itself, has been shown to be NON-flammable.  I've heard
that R-12 has fire retardant qualities approaching Halon 1211, yet if it
is discharged with dissolved oil, it will become highly flammable!  That
said, I still wouldn't welcome a home-brew (79% propane, 21% isobutane)
mixture of hydrocarbons lurking under my hood; gasoline already poses
enough of a threat.  The EPA has stated that all flammable substitutes are
unacceptable for use in vehicle A/C systems.  R-406a does contain a small
amount of isobutane, but it has been shown that if the amount is kept
around 4-5%, a mixture will remain non-flammable.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 05:22:55 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> 
> I am just inquiring if anybody knows if Hurst still manufactures the
> Dual gate shifter?  I've become very interested in finding one..
> 
> Mike Jones
> '78 88 2dr
I've got the same question.  If one is available can it be retrofitted
to a 69 442 console.  What modifications are required.  Wayne

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 05:51:14 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Plastic for grilles

"The Auto Shop" catalog I mentioned last week has a plastic welder. I
have heard of doing this and know that the Navy does it for their
aircraft. Again, their number, (toll free) is 1-8800-557-3277. It's also
a free catalog.
On Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:27:22 -0400 jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
writes:
>Joe,
>
>I'm pretty sure the grills were ABS.  I used "superglue" to repair 
>mine,
>but it didn't work that well.
>
>Someone must make ABS glue.
>
>Jeff.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 05:54:53 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: olds delta 88 Royale 1976

In 1976 the "R" engine code was moved to the "R"ocket 350, which
remained until 1980 when the 350 finally moved on into oblivion.
Pontiac high performance 400 was "Z" starting in 77.  I believe "X" for
the standard 400.  The "X" moved on to the Buick 350.  Which came from
the SD455 Pontiac.  

I have seen 1 400 Pontiac powered 1975 Delta 88, they did exist, but
rare.  I would think that Olds dealers probably did not order many of
them.  Was sorta nice of them wasn't it?

My question is why?  Why add the 400 to the lineup?  The 455 was very
nice in those cars.  Mine was a 350 that ran nicely, but consider a car
that could tow 7000 lbs with "only" a 455, THM 400 and 3.23 gears, and
29 inch tall tires.  See, you can tow without 4.11's!  Just leave it to
Olds.


Oh well, GM and their infinite wisdom.  Can't argue with the
General..........


Thomas Martin
Bred from a long line of Oldsmobiles:
1957 Starfire Coupe Convertible J-2, turquoise blue
1965 88 330 
1968 Delmont 88 350 4BBL
1976 Delta 88 Royale 350 4BBL
1984 98 Regency 307
And the one still in the family
1985 Cutlass Supreme 307 (soon to be 350), and it was my Father's
Oldsmobile!

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:00:53 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car

At 08:43 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>how much for car, and where is it?  w30442cs@aol.com
>
>$700 Located in Thomaston, Maine   1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up the
coast.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:02:12 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Parts Car

At 11:14 PM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a 70 conv. supreme, where are you located? I'm in Boise IDAHO
>
>I,m located in Thomaston, Maine about 1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up
the coast.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:26:20 -0400
From: Steve <smickle@ismi.net>
Subject: Parts for 84 H/O

I need the corners for the air dam for an '84 Hurst Olds, will purchase
the whole thing if needed.  I could get away with just buying the left
corner.  I'd also consider a shifter, cheap, I can repair this one I
think.  Please respond direct rather than through the list.  Thank you.  
Steve

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 03:18:11 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: LANSING

Hi all,

Since 50 of you so far are going to Lansing what is going to happen
with the list?  I guess I will be lonely while all of you are out and
having a good time.  Guilty yet? :-)  Seriously, I wish all of you a
safe journey to Lansing and await the stories upon your return.

Later....

Chris Sparks


P.S.  I guess you can tell that I am a tad jealous.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 07:55:50 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Oldsmobile Chair For Sale (7/30)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

Oldsmobile director-style folding chair.  White wood frame with arms and
red heavy canvas seat and back.  łOldsmobile˛ script logo silkscreened
onto one side of back.  As given to Oldsmobile 90th Anniversary display
participants in 1987.  $50.00 plus shipping.  Can deliver at the
Centennial Celebration.  (7/30/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It may be sold!) |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:37:23 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

Wayne Schwartz wrote:
> 
> mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> >
> > I am just inquiring if anybody knows if Hurst still manufactures the
> > Dual gate shifter?  I've become very interested in finding one..
> > Mike Jones
> I've got the same question.  If one is available can it be retrofitted
> to a 69 442 console.  What modifications are required.  Wayne

Mike and Wayne, I talked to a Mr. Gasket representative a few weeks ago,
and he said they still make 'em.  I inquired about whether they still
honored the 69 H/O's lifetime warranty on the shifter, and they do.
(Same shifter setup as 68 H/O, and COPO C*maros, Ch*velles)  Or, for
around $50, they will rebuild yours.  You can still find them for the
factory Olds consoles in places like Hemmings, but they aren't cheap.

Consider this also.  They also came in the Pontiac GTO/LeMans. A little
different shifter shape (more like a straight stick), but a D/G
nonetheless.

Modifications to the original 69 console are unreal to fit the D/G
into.  The top cover most likely won't support such an operation. I'm
not saying it can't work, but it would be just that, WORK!  BUT, if you
aren't too concerned with a factory look (obviously not if you want to
modify a 69 console), you can use any console out of a 70-72 automatic
and make it work if you can find a complete setup for a 70-72 D/G. 
You'll need the floor brackets for the console also.

Hope this enlightens somewhat.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Mike Rothe wrote:

> Mike and Wayne, I talked to a Mr. Gasket representative a few weeks ago,
> and he said they still make 'em.  I inquired about whether they still
> honored the 69 H/O's lifetime warranty on the shifter, and they do.

What is covered by the warranty (shift cable?) and does the warranty only
apply to original owners? 

TIA,
Don Sugarman


sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:55:35 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I  and lansing travel advice

Does anyone know of a good source for a drivers side rear qtr panel for
a 65 Olds Jetstar I that is reasonably priced  $650/pr at Fusick's is a
little high for a 17 yr old kid's budget.  

Also  those who plan on coming to lansing from the south  try to avoid
I-75 near the MI- OH border.  Take I-275 around toledo and take US-23
north to I-75 south of Flint MI.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 06:04:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: LANSING

mrada  wrote:
> Hi all,
> Since 50 of you so far are going to Lansing what is going to happen
> with the list?  I guess I will be lonely while all of you are out and
> having a good time.  Guilty yet? :-)  Seriously, I wish all of you a
> safe journey to Lansing and await the stories upon your return.
> Later....
> Chris Sparks
> P.S.  I guess you can tell that I am a tad jealous.
 
Unfortunately we're not going either. I made a hard decision to build
the garage instead. 20 years of working on cars outside is finally
coming to an end! I just sold my 72 442 convertible (350) and that
money will help out a lot! It's 30' x 40' (3 bays). In the grand
scheme of things the garage was supposed to have been long done and
the 72 W30 convertible restored by now for the 100th.............time
has gotten the better of me on this one.   

===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

70 W30 convertible
72 W30 convertible
70 W31
72 88 convertible
66 Toronado
65 88
71 Cutlass Supreme
+more

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

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Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:26:47 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Day Drag's in R.I

The last that I heard they were still partioning to get a track in 
R.I. That was a couple of months agao. The last time I was at New 
England which was in July someone there also mentioned it...Are you 
going to the Olds Day Aug 16.??

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:46:43 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

The Sugarmans wrote:
> 
> > I inquired about whether they still
> > honored the 69 H/O's lifetime warranty on the shifter, and they do.
> 
> What is covered by the warranty (shift cable?) and does the warranty only
> apply to original owners?
> 
Warranty covers material and workmanship on the shifter assembly itself,
regardless of who has the car.  NOT the cable.  For instance, if the top
of the shifter handle broke off in your hand while you were banging it
into second, then it's covered.  Wearout is NOT covered.  Like I
mentioned before, if it seems loose, then they can rebuild it for around
$50.  At least that's what the tech guy at Mr. Gasket told me.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:11:25 -0500
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: weather stripping recomendations

I need to replace the door and trunk weather stripping on my 70 442. 
I'm looking for some recomendations from those who have done this
before.  I'm leaning towards soff seal.  Any tips or tricks?

	mike

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 97 09:20:12 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: 1949 - 1998 Fullsize OCA chapter forming

Exciting news for 1948 to 1998 full size Olds owners . . .

There is a full size OCA chapter forming!! Corie, the newletter 
editor of the Wisconsin Chapter is the main person behind this effort.

Right now it is in the planning stages. A chapter charter is being applied 
for, and there has been a lot of interest from people. Corie talked to a lot 
of people at Iola and distributed many fliers.


Details I know about are:
o Cover 1948 to 1998 full size Olds (all 88, 98 variations), all engines and 
power train configurations.

o Yearly meet, maybe two, at differing locations, so more can attend (yeah 
highway gears!).
o Other regional get togethers.
o Dues of $12 - $15 (postage, printing, etc). Your check is not needed now.
o Newletter, 3rd class postage only (simple that way). 
o Interests of members determines what the chapter does.


If you are interested, REPLY TO ME DIRECTLY (dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu) 
regarding your interest level:

    * I want to know what the chapter is doing. Not interested in dues.

    * I want to become a member sometime. I could/would send a check 
      sometime down the road. Sort of interested.

    * I want to become a member now. I could/would send a check
      now. Very interested. Where do I sign up.

    * I want to be a chapter officer. This is definetely my thing.

Please include your name, full mailing address, e-mail address, phone 
number and OCA number. I will compile this information for future mailings. 
Your check is not needed now. 

Include additional comments and things you would like the chapter to do. 
This happenings of the chapter will really be determined by the members and 
their interests.

In the unlikely chance the charter is not approved. there are plans to go ahead 
with a full size car club.

REMEMBER!! Send responses directly to the e-mail address below!


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:21:35 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Where's my Olds...

>That's one drawback of parking at the hotel, no security.  But I'm
>figuring the hotel will have some kind of patrol just for its regular
>guests.

Wanna bet?

I would recommend leaving your car at the display field under 24 hour
guard by the cops. Several reasons:

1) The hotel doesn't give a damn about your car. They're insured.
Got a problem, sir? Somebody hit it? Keyed it? Gee, we're sorry.
Here's our insurance company's phone number. Unfortunately we do
not cover your car in our parking lot, but we're sure you can have
a nice chat with our agent about it.

2) Your car in a hotel parking lot will stick out like a sore thumb
among the crowd of beige rental Cavaliers. And if you stick it out
in the outer reaches of the lot to avoid door-dingers, it'll be
less visible to whatever lot "security" is there.

3) What lot security, anyway? I stay in plenty of hotels each year,
really nice ones, and have yet to see a security guy actually 
bothering to check the parking lot. As I said, mostly it's filled
with rental cars anyway.

4) On the display field, your car will actually blend in somewhat
with a lot of similar cars; the odds of someone picking yours to
remove a valuable part (after getting past actual guards to do it)
are a lot slimmer when yours is not the only particular model in
the vicinity.

I would really consider leaving it where it'll be protected.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:27:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: 70 442 convertible 4-speed

Hi guys,

I am sniffing around, seeking to obtain a 1970 442 Convertible with a 4-speed
during the next year or so.  My perusals of the market (Hemmings, searches of
Old Car Trader Online, 442.com classifieds, etc) have revealed a singular
shortage of such cars.  

Any idea how many of the 2,933 models minted in 1970 bore the Muncie shifter?

How many of you own one?  Have you seen any for sale?


Tom Simmons
Great Falls, Virginia
71 Supreme SX

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:37:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: weather stripping recomendations

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Mike Schlottman wrote:
> I need to replace the door and trunk weather stripping on my 70 442. 
> I'm looking for some recomendations from those who have done this
> before.  I'm leaning towards soff seal.  Any tips or tricks?

This is mostly hearsay, because I've used Soffseal for a few items in the 
past and they were fine, but some of my buddies tell me that their 
roofrail w/s is not soft enough, at least compared to the originals. I 
think there is another choice (Metro?) that they preferred.

I replaced the trunk w/s on my Cutlass with some unknown brand (just 
came in a clear poly bag) and it works fine. Just be sure to lay in some 
w/s adhesive after you've cleaned all the old goop and dirt oyut of the 
channel. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:41:12 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Chicago Olds Meet This Weekend!

Yes, remember it's _this_ Sunday, August 3rd, at the Illinois
Railway Museum in Union, IL. Car clubs from all over are coming
to this. You can get in free if you bring your car to display,
plus you'll get a steak/chicken cookout and a dash plaque, but you
must register it in advance; at this point you'll need to fax the
application. If you have managed to miss all my annoying reminders 
about this, get back to me and I'll email or fax the application 
to you. Without a car to show, paying customers are $9 each,
$7 for children, $35 maximum per family (and will be the best 
money you spent on the family all summer :-).

In addition to the cars (and trucks, military, etc.) on display,
there'll be free (i.e. no further charge beyond admission) train
rides: steam, Diesel, trolley...

More info at http://www.irm.org/events/vintage.html

I will be out of town tomorrow so this will be my last
post on this subject until Friday (Crowd: "AWWWW!"), but
if anyone needs to contact me in a hurry I can be reached
in daytime hours at the number below (with voicemail), or
at home at (847) 818-9577. See you there!

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:03:28 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

Mike,
	let me understand this for a moment. Mr. Gasket is honouring the
warranty of the Hurst Shifters and they still reproduce units for the
'69 H/O? Do they reproduce units for the 71-72 Models also? Or are you
only talking about the handle?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Mike Rothe[SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, July 30, 1997 9:46 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
> 
> The Sugarmans wrote:
> > 
> > > I inquired about whether they still
> > > honored the 69 H/O's lifetime warranty on the shifter, and they
> do.
> > 
> > What is covered by the warranty (shift cable?) and does the warranty
> only
> > apply to original owners?
> > 
> Warranty covers material and workmanship on the shifter assembly
> itself,
> regardless of who has the car.  NOT the cable.  For instance, if the
> top
> of the shifter handle broke off in your hand while you were banging it
> into second, then it's covered.  Wearout is NOT covered.  Like I
> mentioned before, if it seems loose, then they can rebuild it for
> around
> $50.  At least that's what the tech guy at Mr. Gasket told me.
> 
> Mike Rothe
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:08:05 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: 70 442 convertible 4-speed

Not too long ago someone on the list was actually wanting to sell his 70
442 conv. It was the one used for the Danbury Mint collection. They used
his car to reproduce the model cars from. I still think he is selling
it. Look in the 442.com page again. This car was read with a black top.
He even gave his URL to see pictures of it. If I come across it Ill send
it out. Maybe someone remembers and has it handy.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	DEOVIVERE@aol.com[SMTP:DEOVIVERE@aol.com]
> Sent: 	Wednesday, July 30, 1997 10:27 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	70 442 convertible 4-speed
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> I am sniffing around, seeking to obtain a 1970 442 Convertible with a
> 4-speed
> during the next year or so.  My perusals of the market (Hemmings,
> searches of
> Old Car Trader Online, 442.com classifieds, etc) have revealed a
> singular
> shortage of such cars.  
> 
> Any idea how many of the 2,933 models minted in 1970 bore the Muncie
> shifter?
> 
> How many of you own one?  Have you seen any for sale?
> 
> 
> Tom Simmons
> Great Falls, Virginia
> 71 Supreme SX
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:03:54 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Drag radials

Steve B. wrote:
> 
> Hi Everybody,
> 
> I was wondering if anybody has used the BF Goodrich drag radials on
> there Olds???? I was at the track last Wednesday and didn't notice
> anyone running them....
> 

I've talked to a few people running these.  Mostly they're not
impressed.  They wear very fast (you're lucky to get 3k miles out of
them), and don't hook nearly as good as slicks or MT's.  You can forget
driving with them in the rain; better than a slick would be but not even
close to a regular street tire.  They handle much better on the road
than MT's, but with that bad of wear who would use them on the road?  So
they seem kind of pointless to me.  You can't use them full time, so
that negates the 'radial' aspect, and at the track there are better (and
cheaper) alternatives.

If I had bottomless pockets, it'd probably be _really_ fun to run these
on the street full time and replace them every month or two!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:11:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: H/O -- Hearse

> About ten years ago I saw a Hearse Olds er uh Olds Hearse. It looked as
> if it was based on a '70 98. Anyway, I was wondering if they are rare as
> it was the only one I've ever seen. After all I would want my last ride
> in an Olds rather than a c*ddy. 
>  
> Danny


I don't know how rare they were, but according to my sources, Olds made
Hearses, Ambulances, and in 68, limousines.


1968 Model 9840 = Ambulance
1968 Model 9850 = Limousine
1968 Model 9890 = Hearse

1969 Model 9840 = Ambulance
1969 Model 9890 = Hearse

1970 Model 9840 = Ambulance
1970 Model 9890 = Hearse

1971 Model 8840 = Ambulance
1971 Model 8890 = Hearse

During these years, a Ninety-Eight was in the 8400 or 8600 series, but I
think it's safe to assume that these 68-70 specialty cars were based on
Ninety-Eights.

In 71, the 88's were in the 5400, 6400, or 6600 series; the model number on
the 71 ambulance and hearse would make you think that they are based on an
88.  I don't really know.

I wonder if "Setting The Pace" has pictures of these cars?  I'll have to
check tonight.

So before you start planning your "final ride", perhaps you should track
down a 68 limo for your daily rides now.  Keep an Olds ambulance in the
garage for emergencies.  

- --                                                               _
                               1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
Drew Senko                     Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:20:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: 70 442 convertible 4-speed

Too bad you're looking to buy a '70... I see in the current JWO that 
Steve Hemminghaus is attempting to unload his '72 convertible for the 
bargain-basement price of only $43,000 (you got it right). 

I imagine you had better call soon to beat the rush.... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Pgh to Lansing. Anyone?

Greetings!

I am considering driving to Latrobe, PA (near Pittsburgh) Tuesday night
(Aug 19th) and leaving for Lansing on Wednesday morning.  Is there anyone
else leaving from this area that day?  Perhaps a caravan I could join?

I know there will be a caravan leaving northern Virginia (where I live), but
I need to pick up a passenger in Latrobe, and it will break up the trip for
me (somewhat) by driving the first few hours Tuesday night.

Please send any replies to senko@reston.ans.net

Thanks!
- -- 

Drew Senko
senko@reston.ans.net
http://members.aol.com/drewinva

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 08:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: 70 442 convertible 4-speed

- ---DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
> Hi guys,
> I am sniffing around, seeking to obtain a 1970 442 Convertible with
a 4-speed
> during the next year or so.  My perusals of the market (Hemmings,
searches of
> Old Car Trader Online, 442.com classifieds, etc) have revealed a
singular
> shortage of such cars.  
> Any idea how many of the 2,933 models minted in 1970 bore the Muncie
shifter?
> How many of you own one?  Have you seen any for sale?
 
> Tom Simmons
> Great Falls, Virginia
> 71 Supreme SX
 

 
My 70 442 W30 convertible is a 4-speed car!
===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com
_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:51:05 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Where's my Olds...

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> >That's one drawback of parking at the hotel, no security.  But I'm
> >figuring the hotel will have some kind of patrol just for its regular
> >guests.
> 
> Wanna bet?
> 
> I would recommend leaving your car at the display field under 24 hour
> guard by the cops. Several reasons:

_Do_NOT,_under_any_circumstances,_leave_any_vehicle_you_give_a_d***_about
in_a_hotel_parking_lot_for_any_extended_period,_much_less_overnight!

Andrew sums it up nicely.  Earlier this year my car was broken into in
broad daylight in an Emb*ssy Suites parking lot, between 7:00 and 12:00
AM while I was in a business meeting.  Neither the cops or the hotel
gave one big hoot about it, nor did they even act like it was
unusual(which I found out it definitely was not).  The creeps just
smashed out the driver's window and helped themselves.  Evidently, it
was a gang that watched people drive up.  If your vehicle looked
inviting, smash, grab and throw it in the getaway vehicle.

I would imagine that the Lansing event will be fairly well known to car
theft rings dealing in classic cars.  Don't take any chances!

Patrick 
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:03:59 -0400
From: robert neumann <raneuma@ibm.net>
Subject: 1970 w-30 4-speed

I, recently, acquired the parts from my former car.  My son, in cleaning
the Hurst shifter, disassembled it, but cannot remember how to put it
back together.  Does anyone know where I can get an assembly drawing.  I
have a 1970 assembly manual, but it says not to disassemble the shifter.

Thanks,
Bob Neumann
Marysville, MI

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:12:30 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Rear wing 

I have one of the old, original wings that was a dealer option for the
442's in 1970.  It has never been mounted to my car,(but painted like
it) so I wanted to know how they mount.  All that I have noticed are two
holes in the bottom of each of the stands.
Thanks
Brad

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:11:08 -0300
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Air Pump Uses

While sorting through some more of my 30 year collection of Oldsmobile
parts last weekend and general cleaning in the loft of my garage, I came
across an emission control air pump which appears to be brand new.  I was
going to drop it into the recycle container along with all the dinged-up
wheel trim rings that I've kept over the years, but then got the notion
that it might be useful in some role other than its original intended
purpose.  Does anyone have any experience in trying to find a good use for
one of these?  Can it be used, for instance, to build a low pressure
compressor for my air brush?  Or a really heavy-duty pump for someone's
fish tank aerator?  Any ideas, or should I really put it out with
tomorrow's recycle pickup?  Thanks.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:09:19 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Part needed 

 Lisa,

I'll check onthe carb too.  I may get there on Friday.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 1997 4:27 AM
Subject: Re: Part needed



>I am in need of the pass rear wheel well trim.  I was also wondering how
>much they'd want for the carb - if its a 4 bbl. & looks in fairly good
shape.
>
>Thanks much -
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:21:13 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Air Pump Uses

>Any ideas, or should I really put it out with
>tomorrow's recycle pickup?

Here in Illinois, where we have emissions testing, the auto parts
stores are selling them new and rebuilt. Any chance you could drop
it off at a store and get a few bucks for it as a core charge? In
Illinois you probably could...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:37:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: '58 Olds FS

Listed in Pittsfield, Ma. "The Berkshire Eagle" 7/30/97

1958 Olds 88, 56k, no rust, no bondo, excellent condition, interior needs
work.  Current Owner has had it for 20 yrs.  Has no place to store it this
winter.  Asking $5000.  His phone 413.499.1306

Call him not me.  However, if anyone is serious about this vehicle, I
would be willing to drive over to the other side of town and take a
digital photo and send it along (not to via the list, of course.)

Regards,
Don Sugarman

sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:36:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: NE Ohio OCA chapter Olds show...when?

In a message dated 97-07-29 21:19:15 EDT, you write:

<< ____________________________________________
 Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
 z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH
 95 DCM Impala SS.....daily driver..1/4 times  to  come
 80 Olds 442 W-30.......show car...2nd place '97 Olds Nats.
 75 Hurst/Olds W-25...restoration project
  >>

Weren't you one of the guys "hunting" for a job earlier this year?  (Thought
you, and possibly one, or two other guys just got out of school, and were
looking).  Anyways, this is the first time I've noticed the title on the
bottom (Q.E., TRW Auto...), so what do you do there?  Anything interesting
(car type of work)?

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:36:07 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Air Pump Uses

Tom,

	Here in California where the smog nazis rule, emissions control parts are
in high demand.  Currently, any vehicle of model year 1966 and later must
be smog checked every 2 years.  Auto parts stores sell replacement and
rebuilt smog stuff, but if someone wanted to do an original restoration
they might be interested in an original smog pump.  Try to offer it on
Bryceman's classifieds or Hemmings.

	
Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser




>While sorting through some more of my 30 year collection of Oldsmobile
>parts last weekend and general cleaning in the loft of my garage, I came
>across an emission control air pump which appears to be brand new.  I was
>going to drop it into the recycle container along with all the dinged-up
>wheel trim rings that I've kept over the years, but then got the notion
>that it might be useful in some role other than its original intended
>purpose.  Does anyone have any experience in trying to find a good use for
>one of these?  Can it be used, for instance, to build a low pressure
>compressor for my air brush?  Or a really heavy-duty pump for someone's
>fish tank aerator?  Any ideas, or should I really put it out with
>tomorrow's recycle pickup?  Thanks.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 12:54:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: My current happenings....  (was:  Union, IL car show & list meet)

In a message dated 97-07-29 23:58:25 EDT, Karl wrote about the car show
attendees...:

<< 
 I understand that Chris will probably not be reading this in time and is
busy moving, so we'll pardon his absence. I do not have Jeff Easton's address
handy but I read on the digest that he plans to be there anyway. 
 
  >>

Actually Karl, I am reading, just "laying low".  Unfortunately I will miss
this one due to the reasons you mentioned.  I'll now inform others as to
what's going on with me.

First, I am going to miss all of you at Lansing.  I had plans to go with Dave
Brown (sorry man..., again...) and would have loved to, but.... I won't have
the vacation days left to do it (nor the funds either), due to the following
"happening".

Next, I am moving into a 2 bdrm. house, and out of our apartment.  As two of
you know (Karl, and Dave), I was using garage space at my father's place (all
my motorcycle stuff), and my father-in-law's place (Olds. stuff, and my 1974
BMW 2002, pluss all the extra parts for it).  So I had no garage of my own,
nor a basement.  The new place has a full basement, a 2 car garage (almost 2
cars deep, also), and it was only $25 more per month than my current place.
 Hard to pass up.

Last, in terms of going to the car show, I will be moving all this weekend
(Thurs. 31st-Fri. 1st) and then arranging everything so that I can get the
house taken care of, and start moving things into the garage (YES!!!).

My next project is the fact that I'm parting with the motor of my Cutlass,
and installing my .060 in. over 350, and at the same time, going through the
trans. (will keep me busy..).  This will be in the next two weeks, at most.

Needless to say, I'm busy for a bit, and all this crap happened to come about
in the last 3 weeks, or so, House, car, etc., so about the time you guys are
partying with out me in Lansing :(, I'll be at home getting some (much
needed) rest, I hope....

As I told Dave, since I'm missing all the good stuff this year, I'll have to
make up for it next year......  With a vengence. :)

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 11:26:58 -0500
From: "John M Dodd" <jmdodd@mychoice.net>
Subject: dream car

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car...Any links are appreciated....

Thank you

John Dodd

71 Cutlass S


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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:26:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: My current happenings.... (was: Union, IL car show & list meet)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
> Needless to say, I'm busy for a bit, and all this crap happened to come about
> in the last 3 weeks, or so, House, car, etc., so about the time you guys are
> partying with out me in Lansing :(, I'll be at home getting some (much
> needed) rest, I hope....

Congrats on the house! Especially the garage. I can relate... I just 
bought my first house a couple of weeks ago and everything just seems to 
rain down on your head all at once. Right now (as I type) I'm on hold 
with the power utility trying to get everything arranged... :(  I've 
already fought with the insurance company, the heating company, the 
moving company, you name it... it's a full-time job. there is a business 
opportunity here for some enterprising person to handle all this stuff 
for you and save all the headaches. I'll be moving the week after Lansing.

It has only a small garage, unlike Chris' palatial setup, but assuming 
there is any momey left at all next spring and I'm not in the institute 
for the permanently deranged, that will get expanded... at least I have a 
work/utility room, so I don't have to restore parts in the apartment's 
kitchen any more... sure hope I can get my damage deposit back... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:35:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Assist Needed (was: Re: LANSING)

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, mrada wrote:
> Since 50 of you so far are going to Lansing what is going to happen
> with the list?  I guess I will be lonely while all of you are out and
> having a good time.  Guilty yet? :-)  Seriously, I wish all of you a
> safe journey to Lansing and await the stories upon your return.

Actually, Chris brings up an important point. Since I'll be in Lansing, 
the list will need admin services during that week. I can either get a 
volunteer familiar with majordomo commands and have Chebucto do a 
temporary admin change, or someone in Lansing can let me use their 
internet account and I can Telnet into Chebucto from there. I would 
prefer the latter. I could even bring a notebook PC if necessary, though 
that isn't real practical from my point of view. Any help out there?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:38:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: w-30 ID

    I've found a 71 442 with w-30 marking on it for a parts car (hit hard in
rear)
was wondering if i could confrim the w-30 option by the vin # or trim.
Knowing very
little about vin #'s, I have confrimed it's a real 442 from the mich. plant
But I'm not sure about the w-30 part. Can some tell me how to confrim this?





                                                                       thanks
                                                                        Keith
Brumbley
                                                                        71
442 conv.
                                                                        55
chev. belair
                                                                        79
Z-28
                                                                            

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 10:58:20 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: dream car

At 11:26 AM 7/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>     """" with her dream car...Any links are appreciated.... Thank you John
>Dodd 71 Cutlass S 

Try Bryceman's Olds page at www.442.com.    There is a whole bunch of
pictures of Oldsmobiles of all vintages.  Offcourse, for a family type car,
it's hard to beat a Vista Cruiser.  But then again I am slightly biased
having owned 3 Vistas and 1 Custom Cruiser.

Good luck.

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 13:57:28 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: w-30 ID

>     I've found a 71 442 with w-30 marking on it for a parts car (hit hard in
> rear)
> was wondering if i could confrim the w-30 option by the vin # or trim.

Check out the sound deadening. W-30's didn't have much sound deadening. 
They all had sport mirrors and fiberglass hood.  If you can check the
underside of the trunk lid, or whats left of it, see if theres a pad in
there.  If not, bang on it.  If it sounds like a tin drum, then it
doesn't have the pad, and it is probably from a W-30. (although it MAY
have been replaced in the past with a regular 442 if it does have a pad)
Also check for red fenderwells, and if it is an auto, look on the pass.
side of the trans. for a tag that reads "OW".  Also, if it is an
original engine, it should have "H" heads and an aluminum intake.  It
should also 1112034 distributor, or  1112036 if manual trans.

Hope this is some help.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:06:29 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

> Mike,
>         let me understand this for a moment. Mr. Gasket is honouring the
> warranty of the Hurst Shifters and they still reproduce units for the
> '69 H/O? Do they reproduce units for the 71-72 Models also? Or are you
> only talking about the handle?
> 

Nope.  Not quite. I think the D/G they are still making is a VERSION of
the 70-72 type. I think they call it a Dual Gate II. Skinny handle, like
the 70-72.  The 68-69 has a thicker stick,and is more swoop curved than
the angled-type 70-72.  Either way, it wasn't designed to replace either
factory type.

The only thing I was saying is that if you have a factory Dual/Gate, Mr.
Gasket still honors any lifetime warranty against materials and
workmanship of the complete shifter assembly, not wearout or not cables.

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:10:37 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 w-30 4-speed

> I, recently, acquired the parts from my former car.  My son, in cleaning
> the Hurst shifter, disassembled it, but cannot remember how to put it
> back together.  Does anyone know where I can get an assembly drawing.  I
> have a 1970 assembly manual, but it says not to disassemble the shifter.

I wonder why it says NOT to dissassemble it......well, I don't know
about an assembly drawing, but I do have an exploded view of h 68-9
version.  Will that help?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:24:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

i have access two 4 dual gates,but heres the problem-[ no top plates] ,if i
can find some one who has info. on repoduction top plates, or some one with
extra parts for sale, i can   have these shifters availible right away.  i
have rebuilt and installed many of these shifters in cars,and consoles over
the years, 70-72 models , none in 68-69. have seen cars with them thow. mike
do know you of any one who might have top plates or access to,say factory
rep.  maybe they could be of help. any one with info. please reply.
             steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 14:21:37 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 w-30 4-speed

Whoops!  Sorry Bob, wrong Hurst.  I had Dual Gate on the brain, not
four-speed.  It may be best to call Mr. Gasket.  They can definitely
help you get it back together.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 15:06:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: chris w burge <cburge@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

>
> i have access two 4 dual gates,but heres the problem-[ no top plates] ,if i
> can find some one who has info. on repoduction top plates, or some one with
> extra parts for sale, i can   have these shifters availible right away.  i
> have rebuilt and installed many of these shifters in cars,and consoles over
> the years, 70-72 models , none in 68-69. have seen cars with them thow. mike
> do know you of any one who might have top plates or access to,say factory
> rep.  maybe they could be of help. any one with info. please reply.
>              steven.   w30442cs@aol.com
>
 
  Would you like to sell me one of the shifters. Please call me
at 404 533 1118 or email me at cburge@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu
i have a 72 convt. I will even take it without the top plate.
 
thanks
chris burge

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