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oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 30 May 1997        Volume 01 : Number 701

Motor Mount question
Re: Saving Old Cars
Convertible parts
Re: '65/Delta 88
Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
Re: Motor Mount question
Re: fuel gauge problem
Re: 66' Cutlass Stuff
Re: WTB: Olds Spindles/Wheels/Master Cylinder
Re: Regarding the Note to myself (425 bumpstick)
remove oldsmobile
Re: Saving Old Cars
RE: Convertible parts
Re: Convertible parts
Re: Convertible parts
Re: WTB: Olds Spindles/Wheels/Master Cylinder
Re: '65/Delta 88
Re: remove oldsmobile
RE: About my Oldsmobile..
Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
Re: remove oldsmobile
Re: NGK plugs for Olds
Letter of Thanks
Re: '65/Delta 88
Salvage yard adventures
OCA Web Page New Address
66'Cutlass Stuff
TESTING Do not READ
Re: How do you build a hot tank? :)
Re: How do you build a hot tank? :)
Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs
Re: engine paint
FW: Convertible parts
Re: TESTING Do not READ
Re: How do you build a hot tank? :)
Re: remove oldsmobile
Re: 350/455 brackets
455 frame mounts
[none]
Re: WIRING PROBLEMS
Monterrey
How to build a cold tank
More cars for sale
Re: Books Manuals Etc.
Re: Berejik's Sunday Show(was Re: Marty's costume party)
Dash Removal - '68 Cutlass
Re: ** parts for sale**
Re: Berejik's Sunday Show(was Re: Marty's costume party)
Re: Letter of Thanks
temp. haitus
Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs
Re: Dash Removal - '68 Cutlass
Re: racial slurs and Holley Sucks
To ponder...
re: racial slurs
Re: WTB: Olds Spindles/Wheels/Master Cylinder
Re: timing chain - 3800
re: racial slurs

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From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 02:29:51 -0300
Subject: Motor Mount question

     I purchased a 69 cutlass convertible that had the 350 replaced by a 455
from a 71 442 (also has C heads and headers) The motor mounts were shot, so
I ordered new ones. The distributor ordered them from Year One and they
arrived  as part ª 508N  Does anyone know if these are the right mounts for
the combination that I have? I am also having a hard time getting the
distributor out. Is there some trick to it or is it just plain stuck?

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:03:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Saving Old Cars

Thanks for posting the information. A couple of thoughts about their
program.

As I check on the info at this site, I find out it's just another one of
those "we have to get those ''old'' polluters off the road (never mind that
my four year old car has never been serviced - oh, I forgot its oil was
changed last year)" schemes to put money in some corporations pockets.

Sorry, Eco-scrape/Uno-cal, but these are not classic vehicles (listed as
classics that have been set aside for collectors):
1986  DODGE  ARIES
1984  HONDA  CRX
1984  PONTIAC

Gee, they are committed to setting aside, don't choke, 3% of the vehicles for
purchase by collectors. Yabba, dabba, doo!

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
        Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
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SAVE OLD CARS
To save would-be classic cars, SEMA and Unical's Eco-Scrap have arranged to
publish advanced list of cars scheduled for scrapping.  Car enthusiasts can
get lists via fax by calling Sema at 909-396-0182, ext 750. request
document number 990, Eco-Scrap Vehicle list.

Also a list can be found for Los Angeles and Phoenix areas from Eco-Scrap
at their wibsite....
http://www.eco-scrap.com/list.txt

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From: Dawn Roode <dawnr@curtco.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 08:13:22 -0300
Subject: Convertible parts

Can anyone tell me where to get just a cylinder for the convertible of
my 68 Cutlass?  Everywhere I look for new parts you need to buy the
whole kit (cylinders and lines), and I've had no luck at the junkyards
- -- plus, would rather have new, anyway.

Any help would be much appreciated (especially now that "top down"
weather is finally here on the east coast...!)

Thanks in advance,
Dawn
dawnr@curtco.com
68 Cutlass convertible

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:11:36 -0300
Subject: Re: '65/Delta 88

It's a year older than my 66 98 conv., but they share most mechanicals and
many interior pieces. What would you like to know? What are you trying to
fix? What systems do you not understand? What parts are you missing?

As a starter, the 88 was available as a mid-level coupe, 4 door or
convertible. There were at least two levels of trim possibly more. The cheaper
version usually delivered with hand crank windows was the Dynamic 88. The
deluxe version was the Delta (like yours) usually this had electric windows
and some of the other nice parts like an electric seat. Other available
options included vacuum trunk release, 2 or 4 barrel rochester carburetor
(with differences in HP, clearly), speed minder speedo (or did this start in
66?). Weak spots include the single hydraulic circuit braking system (don't
blow a hose...), the engine oiling system was suboptimal but I've never had a
problem with mine. Mileage on mine has seen everything from 17 MPG to 9 MPG
over the years.

Hope this is a good starting point. If you want to learn more, get a copy
of the Chassis Service Manaul and Fisher Body Manual from Faxon's. I think
the number was posted here yesterday. Their 800 number may not work from
Jakarta, but if you ring into the US system you should be able to work it
out with the operator. Give 'em a VISA number and you're on your way!

have fun!
cf


>I have been on the list exactly for 10 days now and I read ( literally )
>every words on all incoming mails but how come I have never encountered/read
>any info on '65/Delta 88 at all ???
>Is there anybody out there who has '65/Delta88 and who kind enough willing
>to share any info on '65/D88 with me ??????
>Very much appreciated.
>
>jusuf/jakarta, indonesia
>'65/D88
> e-mail - odang@vico.co.id

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:15:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

>A Qjet wouldnt do good with the base plate cracked either. They have their
>share of problems too such as leaking well plugs and the piston that
>operates the front metering rods sticking.
>None of the carbs made are perfect but they all will do a good job if they
>are fed clean fuel and air. The guy talking  about Holleys catching on fire
>probably had trash under the needle valve making it flood out the vents All
>carbs will do that if run without a good filter. There isnt a carb made
>that won't burn  they all have gas in them.

Walter,
Thanks for the experienced voice of reason
cf

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:18:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Motor Mount question

At 01:29 AM 5/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am also having a hard time getting the
>distributor out. Is there some trick to it or is it just plain stuck?

The problem will be that the oil pump drive rod, which is held in place in
the block by a washer, is also stuck in the bottom of the distributor. It's
a hex-shaped drive rod, and the bottom of the distributor has a 5/16"
hex-shaped hole (yeah, I guess you could use an Olds distributor as a socket
wrench...), and the points of the drive rod eventually get worn into the
flats of the hole.

It takes a lot of yanking and tapping. Try tapping on the top of distributor
drive shaft (remove all parts above the shaft itself) with a drift punch,
yank up on the distributor a couple times (it should move up about a
1/4"-1/2" or so, doesn't it?), tap some more, yank some more, tap, yank,
tap, yank, and so on, until it comes free.

One of two things will happen: either the oil pump drive rod will loosen up,
and you'll be able to pull out the distributor alone, or (more likely), the
washer retaining the oil pump drive rod will come loose or break, and settle
in the bottom of your oil pan. If the second happens, don't worry, the
washer will just sit there, perhaps adding to the stuff already clogging
your oil pump screen, but not enough to hurt anything, and you can just drop
the driveshaft back into the block (the rod will stay in place fine without
the washer).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:28:31 -0300
Subject: Re: fuel gauge problem

>i have a 71 cutlass convertible that has the factory idiot lights/fuel gauge
>cluster. The gauge is reading about a half tank over full (car only has
about a
>quarter tank). [...] I noticed
>that if I unplugged the cluster, manually moved the needle down, when I
plugged
>it back in, would again rise to the same area.

Okay, so the field windings are fine. The problem must be either with the
signal
wire running back to the tank or the sending unit itself...

>I disconnected the sending unit in the trunk and it wasn't affected.

Okay, that rules out the sending unit. I think you're going to find that your
signal wire is either broken or shorted to ground (can never remember which
way the needle flops under each condition). Start by unplugging the wire
(tan?)
at the back of the car, then testing it up at the gauge end to see if there's
any continuity between the signal wire up at the head end and the frame of the
dash/car. Shouldn't be. Also test to see if there's continuity the length of
the wire from where it emerges in the dash to where it emerges at the back of
the car. Somewhere along the line it may be pinched or broken.

I think this wire may run as part of a solid-aluminum-wire harness that runs
from the fusebox area up front along the floor and into a large connector at
the left rear of the trunk, where it plugs into a flexible-copper-wire harness
and splits off to lamps and fuel tank from there. Check that harness and the
connector in the trunk as well.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:14:35 -0300
Subject: Re: 66' Cutlass Stuff

[SNIP]

>3. I have power brakes, but my pedal is almost to the floor. Will fresh pads
>and an adjustment to the brake drums do the trick, or do i just need to
>bleed the lines? the pads are about half worn.
>
>                                                          Robert Knowles
>                                                          Ft.Worth, Texas
>                                                          66' Cutlass
>Holiday Coupe
>                                                          330-Jetway,
>Ps,PB,A/C
>                                                          52825 miles
>

I can only guess about the brakes without knowing what work you did or what
components you replaced.

You will have to adjust the drum brakes. Did you loosen the adjusters when
you took the wheels off?

If you put on a new master cylinder, did you bleed it before installing?

If you want to make life easier, get a set of speed bleeders.


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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:21:40 -0300
Subject: Re: WTB: Olds Spindles/Wheels/Master Cylinder

Nick,
I came across something which may help you. I haven't done this yet,but
may swap to the master cylinder from a Ch*vy Tahoe or Suburban. These
have the plastic reservoirs that you can see the brake fluid in and
are setup for a vertical, not slanted, firewall. Also these are all
dual circuit masters
cf

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:25:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Regarding the Note to myself (425 bumpstick)

Clayton Pierce mentioned to me that the cybercity site was being reworked,
but I didn't realize to what extent. Sorry about this. I'm removing the
site from my sig until they straighten things out.

It might be of some interest that the cybercity site is located in Hong
Kong! World wide presence in terms of geography!

For those that haven't done it yet, get the FAQ zip file so you can view
the FAQ on your computer without needing to access the internet! After
downloading the FAQ zip file (about 320KB), make a directory for the FAQ,
then unzip (pkunzip or winzip) the file into that directory (requires about
900KB). Then open oldsfaq3.htm in your web browser. Super fast and
reliable!


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
          ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

However, there are mitigating circumstances. My (our) FAQ bookmark was for
the WWW.cybercity  address, which does NOT have the complete FAQ. (At least
that is the case when I (we) accessed it)

Moral; Be careful which FAQ you read, youcould end up irritating other
Oldsmobilers!

Again, our apologies.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago IL

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From: a210518@texas.dseg.ti.com (john berenyi 956-6310)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:35:21 -0300
Subject: remove oldsmobile

remove oldsmobile

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:42:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Saving Old Cars

At 12:03 PM 5/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sorry, Eco-scrape/Uno-cal, but these are not classic vehicles (listed as
>classics that have been set aside for collectors):
>1986  DODGE  ARIES
>1984  HONDA  CRX
>1984  PONTIAC

I took a look at that list again; here's the Oldses that might be considered
"Classics", but not even by everybody here (I excluded the 1980 and 1981
Omegas they were scrapping):

1981           OLDSMOBILE                              1G3AX69Y0BM110***
1977           OLDSMOBILE                              3Q3SK7X170***
1979           OLDSMOBILE                DELTA         3N69Y9N229***
1978           OLDSMOBILE               SUPREME        3R47F8R410***
1979           OLDSMOBILE                SEDAN         3H35F9R465***
1983           OLDSMOBILE               CUTLASS        1G3AJ19E8DD416***
1978           OLDSMOBILE                              3X37N8M118***
1980           OLDSMOBILE           CUTLASS SUPREME    3R47FAM567***
1977           OLDSMOBILE               CUTLASS        3J57R7R122***
1979           OLDSMOBILE              DELTA 88        3N69R9X178***
1979           OLDSMOBILE               CUTLASS        3R47F9R427***
1980           OLDSMOBILE               CUTLASS        3M69AAM496***

That's it. As I understand it, the oil company pays these people a certain
set amount ($700 is the figure I recall) for their car; if you want to buy
it, you'll pay at least that figure. I don't know that there's really a car
on that list that I couldn't find elsewhere for $700.

Here's a list of all the other cars that some people might consider classics
(not us, maybe, but some people...). Note that this is all the potentially
classic cars from a huge list of things that I wouldn't mind seeing going to
the scrap heap (excuse me if you'd like to keep around as many 1976 Ford
Granadas as possible... ;)

1975           CHEVROLET              MONTE CAROL      1H57L5Z454***
1969              FORD                   ECON          E24GHF80***
1972            PLYMOUTH                DESTER         VL29C28119***
1971              FORD                  PICKUP         F25HRK26***
1976           CHEVROLET                ALMANZA        IM2B6C131***
1974           CHEVROLET              MONTE CARLO      1H57L4Z465***
1968           VOLKSWAGEN                              118812***
1973            PONTIAC                                2L69R3P333***
1976         INTERNATIONAL                             FOO93FED37***
1969             DODGE                    VN           1967116***
1974            PLYMOUTH                  CP           VL29C4B149***
1968            MERCURY                 COUGAR         8R93J517***
1971           CHEVROLET                               GE251U225***
1970              FORD                  GALAXI         OJ55H141***
1977            PONTIAC                 GRADPRE        2K57R7P140**
1969           VOLKWAGEN                  BUG          119728***

1971             DODGE                                 WH41G1E102***

Like I said, nothing really tragic on that list.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:44:37 -0300
Subject: RE: Convertible parts

Brothers list the cylinder (TC102) for $129 each. There phone number is =
1-800-442-PART (7278). They also have a web site at =
http://www.thehost.com/brothers

Year One has convertible parts also. http://www.yearone.com/
1-800-950-9503



Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
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From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Fri, May 30, 1997 11:20 AM
Subject: Convertible parts
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Can anyone tell me where to get just a cylinder for the convertible of
my 68 Cutlass?  Everywhere I look for new parts you need to buy the
whole kit (cylinders and lines), and I've had no luck at the junkyards
- -- plus, would rather have new, anyway.

Any help would be much appreciated (especially now that "top down"
weather is finally here on the east coast...!)

Thanks in advance,
Dawn
dawnr@curtco.com
68 Cutlass convertible


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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:45:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Convertible parts

Check Hemmings Motor News. I'm pretty sure you can buy one cylinder from
the place in LA (hydro-electric service?) or the one on the east coast.
cf

>Can anyone tell me where to get just a cylinder for the convertible of
>my 68 Cutlass?  Everywhere I look for new parts you need to buy the
>whole kit (cylinders and lines), and I've had no luck at the junkyards
>-- plus, would rather have new, anyway.
>
>Any help would be much appreciated (especially now that "top down"
>weather is finally here on the east coast...!)
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Dawn
>dawnr@curtco.com
>68 Cutlass convertible

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:52:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Convertible parts

Dawn,
Check out Hydro-Electric.  They advertise in Hemmings and I have done
business with them and was very pleased.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:49:32 -0300
Subject: Re: WTB: Olds Spindles/Wheels/Master Cylinder

>I think I'm ready to put the Olds on some jack stands and take the front
>end apart. I will be extra careful when removing the coil springs. I admit,
>it will be my first time removing a set. Anyone feel I shouldn't do this
>under any circumstances?
>
>I'm going to need to pick up some disc brake spindles for my car. I will
>also need everything else, the rotor, caliper, shield, seals, etc. To fit
>my 1965 Olds Ninety Eight, I have been told that the parts must be from a
>1970 or earlier Olds. I was wondering if anyone on the list might have a
>parts car with what I need. I could also use a dual chamber master cylinder
>from an Olds with front discs/rear drums.
>
>The 14" wheels I have now are not going to fit over the calipers (Chris
>Fair has been so helpful!), so I will need some 15" wheels. I guess I'll
>have to measure all the stuff soon, backspacing and what have you. I'd love
>a pair of smoothies, I doubt I'll find any used.
>
>Well, thanks for your time, and let me know!
>Nick
>
>1965 Olds Ninety Eight
>Dallas, Texas

Hi Nick!

I have the same car. I have been talking about doing this for a long
time.... I got most of my info from CF as well.

I have found that I can buy ALL the parts (new) for a disc brake system
EXCEPT for the spindles (or knuckles as some call them). This includes
rotors, disc brake cylinders, etc.

I have the master cylinder (new OEM part) from a '70 98 (about $70). I got
an adjustable proportioning valve from Summit Racing Equipment for $40. I
figure I could go to a dual circuit master cylinder and a proportioning
valve now, and go to disc brakes as a separate project.

What are you going to do about the suspension bushings? OEM rubber?

I used Energy Suspensions PolyGraphite on the rear. (Order the parts for a
'64 Ch*velle. They don't list parts for this car. Make sure you "box" the
lower control arms on the rear if you do this) I have yet to figure out the
proper parts for the front end in urethane...

MAKE SURE YOU KEEP US POSTED ABOUT YOUR PROJECT! And good luck!


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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:55:03 -0300
Subject: Re: '65/Delta 88

>I have been on the list exactly for 10 days now and I read ( literally )
>every words on all incoming mails but how come I have never encountered/read
>any info on '65/Delta 88 at all ???
>Is there anybody out there who has '65/Delta88 and who kind enough willing
>to share any info on '65/D88 with me ??????
>Very much appreciated.
>
>jusuf/jakarta, indonesia
>'65/D88
> e-mail - odang@vico.co.id

Don't feel bad. I have the same problem. There are just fewer 88's and 98's
than there are Cutlasses ( or Cutli ?), or 442's.

I have a '65 98. I am not an expert, but the 88's and 98's are very
similar. (Anybody care to comment on the differences besides the length?
OK, you can comment on the length if it is a good joke ;-).

What do you need to know???

Have you picked up the FAQ?


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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:55:16 -0300
Subject: Re: remove oldsmobile

At 11:35 AM 5/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>remove oldsmobile

OK, when do you want me to come by and get it? Does it have two good wheels,
or will I have to flatbed it?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:55:14 -0300
Subject: RE: About my Oldsmobile..

At 05:15 PM 5/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Well you have alot of good questions!! I only changeed out these parts to
>solve the troubles...Although A good tune-up sounds like a good idea..I have
a >rough running car..It takes a while to warm up and going around turns it
seems >like the carb is screwwing up...(pops and almost stalls the car) I
really >don't like this 2-barrel...I have another olds. in my garage that I
have been >picking parts off of...(radiator,water pump) The radiator fit okay
but I'm not >sure about the rows..I'll have to check that out..And the car
seems to over >heat just riding around my sub-division..No light, just
boiling over.....I >really want to fix this problem myself but it's almost to
the point of getting >a professional to do it..Thank you for your help and
another response would be >much welcomed..

If you've installed a used radiator, I'd imagine it is probably clogged as
bad as the first one; either have the original recored or buy a new one
(around $200). Also spring the $6 for a new thermostat; yours could be
sticking shut. Also check the timing; if that's off, you'll overheat no
matter what. Also, when you first run the engine leave the radiator cap off
and fill it to the top once the level goes down. And install an overflow
tank (either aftermarket or adapt a factory setup from a later car) to catch
the coolant that will bubble out under normal driving conditions, so it can
be drawn back into the system when the system cools down.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:37:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

>Well let me change my posture a bit, I was a little frustrated when I
>made that post. Edelbrocks are extremely adjustable and Edelbrock
>furnishes all the parts you need to adjust it. I personally do not know
>how to tune one real well (so learning what to do applies to me too
>:))and I do a Holley. For me, I could never get the Edelbrock to perform
>like my Holley. the Edelbrock just never seem to provide enough gas.
>>From what I did see on tuning the Edelbrock, it looked like it would
>take a lot of BS to get it whipped into shape, when I have almost
>everything I need to tune my Holley up in a Trick Kit and can have it
>done in 15 minutes. I also know how to make a Quadrajet run real well
>also, but compared to Holley, it takes ALOT of work. I think the point I
>was trying to make was that the guy was bashing Holley's out of
>ignorance. Then again, carb selection is a lot like cam selection,
>everyone's got their favorite and they will force it down your throat
>till the second coming.

Well, that is exactly what is happening to me! One of the guys I work with
put an Edelbrock 650 on his ZZ3 (350 cu.in.). He spent alot of time tuning
in this carb. I mean he "tuned" it in tho. He has O2 sensors just behind
the manifolds (installed with the new exhaust). He plotted the carb
response curves for all the control settings and then picked his parts from
the Edelbrock tuning kit.

He also doesn't put up with minor problems like slight hesitation at any
point. He has buried the speedo with no problem. This is a serious machine!
It is being prepped for the Silver State Challenge.

Anyway, now that he has gone to the trouble of understanding how Edelbrock
carbs work, I'm kinda stuck with a local expert!

I have to get rid of the Rochester that I have. It was rebuilt by the Carb
Shop, and still doesn't run great. Hesitation from a stand-still (which
could be the old distrib.). I have what I think is a lean surge just before
the secondaries kick in. This car gets terrible gas mileage!

Gotta do something this year. I will probably put a new intake manifold on
with the carb., and Edelbrock has those too...

How big a carb does a 425 need???


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:00:40 -0300
Subject: Re: remove oldsmobile

john berenyi 956-6310 wrote:
>
> remove oldsmobile

What year and model is it and how quickly do you want it removed?   ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:33:00 -0300
Subject: Re: NGK plugs for Olds

- ----------
>
> >Anyone try them?  What part number fits?  Mondello lists NGK's as his
>
>
> >part number NGK R-5670-6 but I don't know if that is NGK's or his
>
> >personal number for them.
>
>
>             Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com
>
>
>


Hey Bryce try craig@ngksparkplugs.com,
He is very helpful and should get you some answers.Tell him HTRDLNCN sent
you.
Frank
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC s\e

------------------------------

From: CDHall <cdhall@mci2000.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:25:56 -0300
Subject: Letter of Thanks

I have been on the Olds mailing list for about a month now. Unfortunately,
due to server problems, I am going to have to drop out until I can find a
server with better connections. But I plan on being back as soon as I get
finished redoing my computer and get it set up.

   Thanks
  Daniel Hall
  cdhall@mci2000.com

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:22:22 -0300
Subject: Re: '65/Delta 88

[SNIP]

> speed minder speedo (or did this start in 66?).

Got one on my '65 98. My 7 yr old son loves to set it on about 40 mph when
I'm not looking... Of course, I have to pretend not to notice when I get
back in the car...

>Weak spots
>include the single hydraulic circuit braking system (don't blow a hose...),

Great idea! I have the parts, and when I get around to putting in the dual
circuit master cylinder, I'll post the play by play.

>the engine oiling system was suboptimal but I've never had a problem with
>mine.

If you fun 1 quart low, the valves will tell you. Mine likes 20-50W oil.
I am in S. California so it never goes below 50 F.

>Mileage on mine has seen everything from 17 MPG to 9 MPG over the years.

You can get 17 mpg!!! (DOWN HILL!!!) WOW! My best is under 15 MPG... Of
course with the 4bbl carb, and a heavy foot, this becomes GPM...

>Hope this is a good starting point. If you want to learn more, get a copy
>of the Chassis Service Manaul and Fisher Body Manual from Faxon's. I think
>the number was posted here yesterday. Their 800 number may not work from
>Jakarta, but if you ring into the US system you should be able to work it
>out with the operator. Give 'em a VISA number and you're on your way!
>

Repeat after me...

I MUST GET THE MANUALS!

They make a tremendous difference when working on the car...


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: DATIC@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:47:51 -0300
Subject: Salvage yard adventures

Greetings to all,

     I just got back from a business trip in Phoenix, and I had a chance to
go to
Desert Valley Auto salvage. If you're ever in that area, GO THERE!  I
remember a
posting from Chris Witt saying he went there, that's where I got the idea.
They have
at least 100 Olds' ,and I found the only 66 Dynamic they had, so I was able
to get
most of the trim parts I've been lacking for my 'vert. Most every mid '60s
big car had a/c, so those of you looking for replacement parts or to add air
(me),this is a place to look into. Tons of '64-70 88s-98s And, they just got
in a 66 Starfire, mostly complete except for a crunched rear corner. But the
kicker was a, for lack of a better term, '64 88 club coupe El C*mino.
Obviously homemade, but strangely correct looking. However, they aren't very
organized, and courtesy is a little lacking, so be warned. Also, the prices
are a bit steep, but I found a perfect dash pad for $75.00!!!

     And to Christian F., yes that's my address, and I will take the wiper
sw, and I'll look at the kick panels to see if they're what I need.

     Happy Oldsing

     Dave T.
     66 Dynamic 88 convertable (rapidly approaching ressurection)
     73 VW Sport Bug "the race car"
     96 VW GTI " the commuter module"

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:43:13 -0300
Subject: OCA Web Page New Address

All,
For anyone who cares, the OCA web site moved, but not far from before.  It
can now be found at:
http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca
I put it in it's own directory for maintenance sake.  There is a "detour"
at the old location, the one printed in "Journey with Olds"

Remember - If your chapter has a web site or your an OCA member and have a
web site with your car(s), drop me a line w/ the URL and I'll get it linked
to either the chapters or Links page in about a week. Please respond to my
home e-mail address, as I won't be at work next week, 6/2-6.

I'll be responding slow to any messages probably for the next week, my wife
is having labor induced 6/2/97 to have our first kid.  She'll be 2 weeks
overdue then.  I'll catch up on the digests between feedings and diapers.

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:07:19 -0300
Subject: 66'Cutlass Stuff

 thanks for all who replied...

The brakes need to be completely done. Brake cyclinders are ok....Pads and
drums ned work.

The power steering help...What I did was just fill that sucker up and
started it up. I guess I should of asked first. So what do i do to start over.

Maybe drain fluid out....disconnect the lines....and fill part of the way
full and rotate the wheel...HELP..............please with specifics....
                                                   Thanks in advance
                                                        Robert Knowles 66'
Cutlass

------------------------------

From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:10:34 -0300
Subject: TESTING Do not READ

testetstetstetstetstetstetstetest

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:20:46 -0300
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank? :)

>How do you build a hot tank???


1 Sherman and 35 cords of wood :)


Ray (who wonders if a signature covers Olds content)
70 Cutlass Conv
70 442 Conv

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From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:29:15 -0300
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank? :)

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> >How do you build a hot tank???
>
> 1 Sherman and 35 cords of wood :)
>
> Ray (who wonders if a signature covers Olds content)

Well, I hear that the Sherman's did have GM engines :)

> 70 Cutlass Conv
> 70 442 Conv

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:31:42 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs

In a message dated 97-05-30 09:29:38 EDT, you write:

<< >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

 As far as I'm concerned, you have no rights on an Email list. It is a free
 service provided by someone(s). >>

Gee, that someone hapens to be him! (Greg).  I'd say he is in control
here....

Chris Ruper

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From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:36:33 -0300
Subject: Re: engine paint

Gold is for 350's, 69's should have a 400 (unless it's a H/O) which would be
bronze, as far as I know all 455's are blue (I've had 5 of them) and the
paint is available as close as your napa Martin Senour dealer.  If you still
can't find it, I've got several cans I put away years ago for my 455's and
could sell you enough to do your car.  Let me know.

------------------------------

From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 05:23:03 -0300
Subject: FW: Convertible parts

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DDA.VALUE=oldsmobile-owner(a)chebucto.ns.ca
To: O=Intermail; DDA.TYPE=RFC-822; DDA.VALUE=oldsmobile(a)chebucto.ns.ca;
kerr
Subject: Convertible parts
Date: Friday, May 30, 1997 12:17PM

DATE: May 30 15:14:11 1997 GMT
IPMessageID: 338EB651.4E8D(a)curtco.com

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      .ca]

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            o.com]

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IMPORTANCE: normal
PRIORITY:
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 --
Can anyone tell me where to get just a cylinder for the convertible of
my 68 Cutlass?  Everywhere I look for new parts you need to buy the
whole kit (cylinders and lines), and I've had no luck at the junkyards
 -- plus, would rather have new, anyway.

Any help would be much appreciated (especially now that "top down"
weather is finally here on the east coast...!)

Thanks in advance,
Dawn
dawnr@curtco.com
68 Cutlass convertible


I have a 'brand new - in the box' cylinder that is for "68-72 A body" GM. I
picked it up with some top parts. I would need to confirm some part ªs etc.
but it is for sale, as I have 2 sets of motors, lines and cylinders in
addition to this one.
You can Email me direct at kerrb@basf-corp.com I am in Ontario, near
Toronto.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv (under restoration)

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:37:39 -0300
Subject: Re: TESTING Do not READ

Robert Knowles wrote:
>
> testetstetstetstetstetstetstetest

...and you would be testing your spell-checker?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:41:30 -0300
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank? :)

> > >How do you build a hot tank???
> >
> > 1 Sherman and 35 cords of wood :)
> >
> > Ray (who wonders if a signature covers Olds content)
>
> Well, I hear that the Sherman's did have GM engines :)
>

Not when he went through Atlanta, via Decatur. Eh, Bill? ;)




Tim (Also Hoping a Sig Covers Olds Content) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:43:55 -0300
Subject: Re: remove oldsmobile

Mike Aldana
417 Encinas Ave.
Calexico Ca. 92231
ph.ª 760-357-0713

I could use the bumpers......       mike    maldana@quix.net

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 14:43:39 -0300
Subject: Re: 350/455 brackets

At 09:30 AM 5/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a question about interchangeability. I have a '75 H/O I'm
>restoring, the air conditioning compressor had been taken off. Well I
>also had a '75 toro which I took the air conditioning compressor and
>brackets off of for the 350.  Now all the brackets look the same but the
>cast iron bracket which mounts to the head bolt, rises above the valve
>cover and attaches to the intake manifold seems to miss the hole in the
>intake manifold. The intake is an edelbrock  performer.
>Should this bracket fit? or do I need to go to the junk yard and
>get one off a 350. How about the front bracket? It seems to fit the front
>holes in the head but will it work with the correct  top bracket?  Also
>the engine is out of a '70 cutlass. I assume this doesn't matter.
>
        I have found that all the holes on these intakes don't line up.
Getting a bracket from a different car probably won't help.

Jim Chermack

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From: "Ira H Siegelman" <IRA_H_SIEGELMAN@vnyao.dcmdw.dla.mil>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:51:28 -0300
Subject: 455 frame mounts

     I will soon be replacing the 350 that is in my 72 442 with a 455. Does
     anyone know where I can get 455 frame mounts? Thanks in advance.

------------------------------

From: "Stubblefield, Lyndall (lstu)" <lstu@chevron.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:11:19 -0300
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:33:07 -0300
Subject: Re: WIRING PROBLEMS

>Here you go. Faxon Books 1-800-458-2734
>I hope that helps!
>
>DavidB442@aol.com
>
During a brief stint with Automotive Information Clearinghouse, I sold quite
a few items to Ed(?) Faxon.  I would also comparison shop AIC at (619)
447-7200.  If Faxon buys his stuff at AIC, they should be able to beat his
prices.

AIC only handles factory manuals, no aftermarket stuff such as Haynes,
Chilton etc.

Disclaimer:  I am no longer affiliated with AIC, I don't get a commission
etc.  They are nice guys to deal with and have a giant warehouse with old
shop manuals.

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:39:58 -0300
Subject: Monterrey

Hi all,

A budy of mine just told me that Olds will be the featured marque at
Monterrey this comming August.  I thought it was Shelby.  Can anyone shed
some light on this??

If it is Olds, I will probably have to cruise up there in my Vista Cruiser,
but if it is Shelby, I will borrow a motorhome (gas mileage should be about
the same :-)

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:50:31 -0300
Subject: How to build a cold tank

Actually a parts cleaner.

I've got limited garage space and fundage so I had to come up with
something small and cheap. Here's what I put together:

Degrease step ª1:
     o 5-6 gallon tin wood preservative can with tin cover that came with a
       gasket to seal against the can
     o filled with 3 gallons of cheapie paint thinner ($5)

Degrease step ª2:
     o 3 gallon plastic pail with cover
     o filled with 2 gallons of detergent degreaser (I used Farm&Fleet
       Jungle Jake brand; something like Simple Green cleaner, but lots
       cheaper) ($10)


So, I scrape as much goo off as I can, then let them sit in step ª1 for a
while. A old toothbrush (stop now!) is used to help loosen up those
stubborn spots, and the piece soaks some more. When ready, it's off to step
ª2 for a quick soak and rinse with water.

I figure most of the junk will settle out of the paint thinner and I can
probably pour the good stuff off to clean out the junk. The cans stack. I
suppose you could get fancy with parts baskets for small stuff. Maybe one
of those lint traps would work well.

Keep the lids on when stored or soaking, especially the paint thinner! Be
careful! Soak items larger than the can outdoors, in your near presence!


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
          ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

------------------------------

From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:57:29 -0300
Subject: More cars for sale

1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass, 90K miles, $1,000, Santa Rosa, California
  Eve: (707) 585-8491  Mail: geyer@sonic.net

  1965 Oldsmobile Delta 88, 129K miles, $7,500, Chicago, Illinois
  Eve: (847) 973-8065  Mail: nushhh@usa.net

1969 Oldsmobile 442 CONVERTIBLE, 112K miles, $10,900, SPARTANBURG, South =
Carolina
  Day: (864) 579-4699  Eve: (864) 579-8973

If you'd like to see the items they found , use this link:

  http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?58333+29-MAY-97


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past

------------------------------

From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:53:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Books Manuals Etc.

*Happened onto these books by chance.
*Can be ordered through auto parts store, as a part, if they handle
"Standard Motor Products Inc." parts -You will probably have to point
this out to the counterperson-bring a camel prod.
*Practical & technical info. Clear w/good illustrations.
*Most books are less than $10 US (some were only ~$6 US)
*Have had my copies a few years. Newer copies probably more current.
*If interested, try WM7 first, something there for everyone (elect
fundies, emissions, shorts, engine theory, basic tests, ingition
systems, basic carb circuits, EGR, AAV, ACV,EVP, etc etc.
*Simple parts ª's  WM5, WM6, WM7, WM8 ETC

*WM6 "Electronic Ignition Diagnosis & Testing", 265 pages,
Domestic       through 1992 & Imports through 1991, Has Systems
Descriptions +  Operation + Testing.
  Rate this V.Good. Almost all tests refereced use
DVOMeter.             Fundamentals of electricity, how to use meter,
general system checks, +   section on reset procedures for maintenance
reminder light-covers a lot   of ground.

*WM7 "Engine Performance Training Manual", 283 pages, Import & Domestic
      Basic electricity, Ignition Systems, Fuel/Air systems,
Emissions         Control Systems, Computerized Engine Control Systems,
Diagnostics:
      From the simple to the complicated. Starts with an atom-ends
with       computerized engine control
systems.                                       Rate this V.V.Good.

*WM5 "Sensor Specification Manual" 704 pages, 1981-199? Imports
only           (includes Chr*sler + GM + F*rd imports
also)                             Rate this one V.Good but- only if you
have import to work on.

*WM8 "Tune-up Specifications" Import & Domestic, 376 pages
      1970-93 Domestic Cars + 1970-93 Domestic Light Trucks & Vans
+           1970-93 Imported caars & trucks .
       Rate this one Fair. Minimal information,-nothing here you
can't          get off an under-hood sticker, public library or spark
plug              catalog. Does have firing orders & timing ª's. I would
pass this         one up.

Kevin O'Brien 78-98

------------------------------

From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:29:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Berejik's Sunday Show(was Re: Marty's costume party)

Hi,
     I will be attending the show Sunday. I will be coming from the western
New York area (about an 8 hour drive). I have never been in the Boston area
before and look forward to going. Whats the weather forcast for the Boston
area?.  Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham


------------------------------

From: Sean Ibison <ibisoms@mapcoinc.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:39:17 -0300
Subject: Dash Removal - '68 Cutlass

Anyone have any tips on removing the dash on a '68 Cutlass convertible?
I need to remove it to sufficiently clean (and paint the lower panel),
but I obviously don't want to damage it in the process.  Any guidance
will be greatly appreciated.  Sean.

------------------------------

From: wildrides@erols.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:00:37 -0300
Subject: Re: ** parts for sale**

>>I just got a 65 mustang incase you people want to get
>>a hold of some real power.  I'm selling it for $4000. firm
>>I'm also scrapping all my olds parts, so if you want any
>>speak now!
>>
>>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada >> > >Greg > >        Are you SICK? What's got into you? > >Jim > > Ya
Greg it ain't like you to sell out on us,  I got a friend that might be
interested in your stang. Joe

------------------------------

From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:57:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Berejik's Sunday Show(was Re: Marty's costume party)

>      I will be attending the show Sunday. I will be coming from the western
> New York area (about an 8 hour drive). I have never been in the Boston area
> before and look forward to going. Whats the weather forcast for the Boston
> area?.

Steve

Unfortunately, after a whole week (excluding last Sunday's rain) of the best
weather we've had this year so far, the outlook for the weekend isn't
promising :P

According to the New England Weather web page:

As of 2 PM EST today, Sunday's extended forecast is mostly cloudy, showers,
highs in the 70's -- Highs in the 70's?  Wasn't that the whole theme of
that movie _Dazed and Confused_ ? :) :) :)

Will hopefully to get to Berejik's myself; yesterday Big Red decided to
develop it's hard starting problem again, as in not cranking over.
The alternator's working, so it's either a bad battery (a 2 y.o. Die Hard,
so perhaps not), a drain not accounted for, perhaps the alarm -- the car gets
driven an average of once every couple of weeks; of perhaps a bad diode
in the (internal regulated) alternator itself.

When I get some time (ha-ha), I'll track it down.... meanwhile, it's
Trickle Charge Time!




Tim (My Double E Degree Obviously Not Being Put to Good Use) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:02:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Letter of Thanks

CDHall wrote:
>
> I have been on the Olds mailing list for about a month now. Unfortunately,
> due to server problems, I am going to have to drop out until I can find a
> server with better connections. But I plan on being back as soon as I get
> finished redoing my computer and get it set up.
>
>    Thanks
>   Daniel Hall
>   cdhall@mci2000.com

Daniel,

We're glad that you have been here.  Hurry back.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: BBraden@qualitybio.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:07:58 -0300
Subject: temp. haitus

     To the list:

     I have really enjoyed my time here, but I have to unsubscribe due to
     new job opportunity.  I should be back in a few weeks with a new
     e-mail address and extreme withdrawal symptoms!

     However, this should be lessened by the planned gear change (3:73 to
     3:23) and some time off for extended top-down cruising!

     Bob Braden
     bbraden@qualitybio.com
     71 442
     72 442 Conv.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:08:23 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>
> Gee, that someone hapens to be him! (Greg).  I'd say he is in control
> here....
>
> Chris Ruper

Chris,

Are you trying to start another debate?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S. Greg, am I still on the list?  Will an apology help much?

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 12:25:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash Removal - '68 Cutlass

Sean Ibison wrote:
>
> Anyone have any tips on removing the dash on a '68 Cutlass convertible?
> I need to remove it to sufficiently clean (and paint the lower panel),
> but I obviously don't want to damage it in the process.  Any guidance
> will be greatly appreciated.  Sean.

Sean,

I believe that they are welded to the cowl of the body.  The only thing
easily removable is the padding, gauges, accessories, & wiring.  I would
remove the windshield, tape up the padding, & sand blast or otherwise
treat the metal there.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:35:52 -0300
Subject: Re: racial slurs and Holley Sucks

In a message dated 97-05-30 00:51:17 EDT, you write:

<< From:JMondello@earth.inwave.com
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 hey man, you guys think I'm loco?
 Its all right to call me a sp*c,
 cause I am!  Its only a name.
 think of it as spic & span.
 yo man I'm squeeky clean!
 time to get all my friends and
 hop in the Olds man,
                        Odios,
                              Joe

  >>

Sorry but i dont think this is the real Joe Mondello answering.  Just look at
the Holly sucks message.  Somebody is able to use any name of a title for a
sender, so everybody disregard these messages.So who ever is doing this needs
to be
removed from the list.  Can you investigate this Greg B.  \

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:35:08 -0300
Subject: To ponder...

From: Michael Baugher on 05/30/97 03:35 PM

Did they have us in Mind when they named these things??

P. O. N. T. I. A. C.  =  Putting Oldsmobiles Near Top In All Catagories


C. H. E. V. R. O. L. E. T. =  Cutlass Has Every Victory Regardless Of Leads
Ever Taken


F. O. R. D.  =  Forever Oldsmobile, Reigning Dictator


D. O. D. G. E. =  Discrediting Oldsmobiles Doesn't Gain Equality


Just a little Friday Afternoon humor....


Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass Convertible

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From: abc@123
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:46:07 -0300
Subject: re: racial slurs

>Received: (from root@localhost)
>  by emout06.mail.aol.com (8.7.6/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0)
>  id NAA04928 for oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca;
>  Fri, 30 May 1997 13:31:42 -0400 (EDT)
>Date:Fri, 30 May 1997 14:31:42 -0300
>From:CRuper1@aol.com
>Message-ID: <970530133135_-596556966@emout06.mail.aol.com>
>To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs
>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>Precedence: bulk
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>In a message dated 97-05-30 09:29:38 EDT, you write:
>
><< >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
>Canada
>
> As far as I'm concerned, you have no rights on an Email list. It is a free
> service provided by someone(s). >>
>
>Gee, that someone hapens to be him! (Greg).  I'd say he is in control
>here....
>
>Chris Ruper
>
if something offends you on your computer, turn it off!  or tell your mommy.
Maybe someone needs to remove you from the list?  If you can't take it
leave!  and telling someone that they have no right to be on thee list,
What is this your list?  Its a public forum.  And we (being citizens of the
united states) have the right to express our feelings, right or wrong. In
Africa the natives call themselves "niggers" in the US you can get killed for
useing that terminology.  simply because the person recieving the message
takes it as on offence.  Its the persons attitude that is getting called the
slang name that sucks, not the one doing the namecalling.  If people were open
 and friendly, than names such as; nigger, spic, honkey, chink, - would just
be at.  But since you whom this offends is a weak individual that has no
morals, or human nature you should live in a cave and have no human contact.
everywhere we go there is profanity, pornography, and violence, it is
unavoidable. My family has a spanish background on one side, hey call me a
spic all you want! I think its funny that the only name you can think of to
call me is one that refers to color of my skin.  Every time I see one of my
black friends I say " wuz up nigga" he says "whats up taco"  we do this in
public and people look at us like were evil. These people should be the ones
banned from public forums.  Were just getting along and haveing good 'ol
fashion fun.
                                                                         Dave
S.
                                                                          72
cutlass s -rough but tough

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:41:26 -0300
Subject: Re: WTB: Olds Spindles/Wheels/Master Cylinder

Hey Dan,
Didja find a source for _unused_ 70 big olds disk brake rotors? This has
been driving me nuts.


Vat's da secret?


thanks
cf
>
>I have the same car. I have been talking about doing this for a long
>time.... I got most of my info from CF as well.
>
>I have found that I can buy ALL the parts (new) for a disc brake system
>EXCEPT for the spindles (or knuckles as some call them). This includes
>rotors, disc brake cylinders, etc.
>
>I have the master cylinder (new OEM part) from a '70 98 (about $70). I got
>an adjustable proportioning valve from Summit Racing Equipment for $40. I
>figure I could go to a dual circuit master cylinder and a proportioning
>valve now, and go to disc brakes as a separate project.
>
>What are you going to do about the suspension bushings? OEM rubber?
>
>I used Energy Suspensions PolyGraphite on the rear. (Order the parts for a
>'64 Ch*velle. They don't list parts for this car. Make sure you "box" the
>lower control arms on the rear if you do this) I have yet to figure out the
>proper parts for the front end in urethane...
>
>MAKE SURE YOU KEEP US POSTED ABOUT YOUR PROJECT! And good luck!
>
>
>*************************************************************************
>* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
>*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
>* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
>*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
>*************************************************************************

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:16:41 -0300
Subject: Re: timing chain - 3800

Jeff,

Definately change it.  Ours broke on our delta 88 and bent valves, push
rods, ruined lifters etc.  Cost us big bucks.

Jeff A

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 17:57:48 -0300
Subject: re: racial slurs

     VVVVVVV
>From abc@123.draper.com Fri May 30 16:47:14 1997
Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:46:07 -0300
From: abc@123.draper.com
Subject: re: racial slurs
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Greg:

I would have to guess this is a made-up address, I've not seen anything
like it *anywhere* here at Draper Labs.  I've just tried e-mailing to him
via this address, will let you know what happens...  whoops!
Whaddaya know, the Mailer Daemon just returned and said the address doesn't
exist.  Could it be our, err, "friend" that started the whole d*mn
Mondello thread?  The Borg (Warner) are back?!?!



Tim (Who's *Really* At Draper) Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'










































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