
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 12 1997       Volume 01 : Number 796



Found 64 and 72 Oldsmobiles for Sale
Re: new to this
Re: tilt wheel help
Re: delta 88s II and III
ADMIN: Posting Reminder
stereo in a convertable?
Re: tire size question
Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain
RE: Travel Route Help (sorry)
1988 H/O Sales Folder For Sale (8/12)
Re: 455 rebuild/ What to use?
remove
Re: delta 88s III
Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS
Re: Automatic Car Watch
Re: stereo in a convertable?
'67 CS Conv Tunes (Was Re: stereo in a convertable?)
Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS
Olds Centennial Club Cruise Nite - 9/13 (Maryland)
Re: delta 88s II
Re: delta 88s II and III
Re[2]: tire size question
Re: delta 88s III
H*LP with the 100th
(Fwd) H*LP with the 100th
Re: Automatic Car Watch
'64 F85 wagon parting
Re: delta 88s (Distributors)
Re: H*LP with the 100th
Re: delta 88s (Distributors)
Re: H*LP with the 100th
Air Cleaner for HEI
covt. top problems
Re: Air Cleaner for HEI
Re: Air Cleaner for HEI
Re: delta 88s III
Re: Air Cleaner for HEI
Accessory Brackets and Pulleys ??
tire size question (status)
Head Rebuild Info Wanted
Re: stereo in a convertable?
Re: covt. top problems
There still out there!!!
Re: Accessory Brackets and Pulleys ??
Re: stereo in a convertable?
Iowa/Nothern Illinois guys....  with 80's style Cutlass
Re: covt. top problems
Re: covt. top problems
1988 Cutlass Supreme
Trip down to mid-Illinois during July... spotted this car... uuggghhh!
Re: '64 F85 wagon parting
Re: tilt wheel help
Re: tilt wheel help
Re: 78 Supreme Hubcap
Re: Air Cleaner for HEI
Re: stereo in a convertable?
Re: covt. top problems
RE: Bob Moore Oldsmobile
RE: Bob Moore Oldsmobile
Re: Rocket Talk / Split Personalities?
Hub cap for Bavaria
Convertible Speakers
Re: There still out there!!!
Trying to find a dealer

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:48:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: STemple909@aol.com
Subject: Found 64 and 72 Oldsmobiles for Sale

Greetings List!

      Friday I was out driveing the back roads of Birmingham and happened
upon a used car lot/junk yard and picked up a right fender for my 72 Cutlass
S for $40. But when I started looking around at the cars he has for sale I
saw a 64 Oldsmobile F-85. The car had a gold V-8 (under the dirt)and was
painted a red and white with red and black interior. I asked about the car
and they said that they also had a 72 Cutlass Supreme at their other lot. So
I drive down there and find a gold with brown interior 72 with disc brakes,
SS II wheels, dual exhaust, A/C and a 350 V-8 that runs quite well with no
smoke except for saying that it needs a tune-up. The best part is that the
guy wants $850 for either one of them. The 72 is in real good shape and the
64 is in decent shape but needs a serious restoration but it has'nt been too
beat up as far as I could tell. If anybody is interested let me know.


Shawn L. Temple
72 Cutlass S
Birmingham, AL  

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:10:52 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: new to this

At 09:24 PM 8/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>	I just surfed in a few days ago. What a great place! Nice to know I'm not
>alone out here. I've had a 67 Cutlass Supreme for about nine years now. I
>got it from my Grandmother when I was 16. I joined the Marine Corps 2 years
>later and left it with my parents to take care of (BIG mistake).It's been
>sitting out in the sun in California for about seven years now, and is need
>of a lot of work. I'm looking for any suggestions or hints that anyone
>might have. I do have acouple of specific questions right now.
>1. I need a front upper cotrol arm. Will any control arm work if it's off
>an A body?
>2. Who are the best suppliers of Olds parts out there?
>	Thanks.  
>   	Craig
>FYI- Its a 67 Holiday Coupe(?, no B pillar, just a strip of molding when
>the windows are up). 330 HC, Jetaway, originally crystal blue, built in
>Fremont.
>vin: 338177Z107704
>I have an original service and body manual also.
>
> 
Craig,
 I have basically the same car as you do except mine was white from the factory.
If it was me I would replace the control arm if there was any doubt.Year One
is a good source but pricy.You are very lucky to have manuals.

Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:13:59 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: tilt wheel help

At 10:55 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:54:03 -0400
>To: w30442CS@aol.com
>From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
>Subject: tilt wheel help
>
>Well I fiinally reached the four torx head screws and they were as loose as
>a goose. Tightened em real good and use just a drop of loctite on each one.
>Walla!!!; nice and tight steering column. Ive reinstalled evrerything
>successfully up to the lock plate. It doesn't seem to want to compress
>enough onto the shaft so that i can  reinstall the snap ring. im following
>the keys on the plate and they match the shaft okay.  Whats the problem???
>
>the manual says:  " If bearings are out of race , snap ring cannot be
installed"
>I manually installed both bearings into the housing by tapping them into
>place using a hammer and wonder tool and made sure they were seated. Should
>these be machine installed and does the bearing nearest the lock plate need
>the race to be machined pressed onto it??  I have this project licked to the
>suprise of many of my friends but have run into this snag.  ANy help would
>be appreciated..    
>
>
>TIA
>
>Aaron D Eoff

Aaron

        You must pull up on the shaft and put the snap ring on at the same
time. This is like three monkey's. Get it started and then pul up on it
while you get a helping hand pushing it down. It should go on then. They are
very tight.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:13:05 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II and III

	Just a couple of days ago I became a proud owner of another delta, a '76
with non other then the 455.  It is an old beater I got for free from some
guy just to take it off his hands.  After 4 years of sitting, it started
right away.  It runs good, although it looks so bad that it just sends a
chill down your spine when you look at it.  It is big, rusty and mean
looking.  I plan to rebuild the 455 and throw it and the TH400 from the '76
into my '81 Delta in place of the 307.  I wonder if someone ever did this
and could tell me how difficult it would be.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:11:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Posting Reminder

Folks,

Since there are a number of new members here I thought I would remind you
about our guidelines for posting messages. To save bandwidth and reduce
the amount of unnecessary mail in members in-boxes, please remember to: 

- - trim follow-up quoting as much as possible. No need to quote 2 pages of 
a previous message for a 1 or 2 line response. 

- - take messages regarding negotiation and purchase of parts to private 
email. We don't mind people posting stuff for sale within reason, or 
asking for help finding parts, but once you locate something we don't 
want to see the messages regarding the negotiations and delivery 
arrangements. Mail the buyer/seller directly for that.

- - it hasn't been a problem lately, but remember, no graphics or pictures 
should be posted here either.

Still awaiting word from the admins here at Chebucto re. taking this list 
private. I think their majordomo guru might be on vacation...

Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 19:18:05 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@soback.kornet.nm.kr>
Subject: stereo in a convertable?

i'm thinjing about buying an am/fm stereo for my '69 442 and i wonder if
these came in convertibles or not.
if so i'd also like to know where the speakers were located and if
anybody has some for sale.

thanks
jim

'69 442 conv

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:26:25 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: tire size question

A Friend of mine has a 1978 Grand Prix and he keeps a set of Kelly 275
60 R15's on the back with no problem.  I am not sure if the Cutlass from
81-88 has the same size wheel wells, but that size would look awesome
under any G-Body or A-body!   For the record, I had a set, the 275's are
28 inches tall (depending how much tread you burn off with your Rocket
motor.....) and are a nice size.  A taller tire is worth more in
straight line traction than a wider tire.  Cornering is a different
story.  Not to mention a taller tire reduces your overall gear ratio.
>There are formulas to convert all of that.  

Hope it helps some!

Thomas Martin
Bred from a long line of Oldsmobiles:
1957 Starfire Coupe Convertible J-2, turquoise blue  (If anyone ever
sees one, please let me know!!)
1965 88 330 (Bought to replace a new 66 Biscayne that just sucked
compared to an Olds!)
1968 Delmont 88 350 4BBL  (First new Olds!)
1976 Delta 88 Royale 350 4BBL  (Next!  68 over 110,000 miles, how bout a
new one?)
1984 98 Regency 307  (got a good deal, sold after 1 year, troublesome
car, dealer was worse)
And the one still in the family
1985 Cutlass Supreme 307 (soon to be 350), and it was my Father's
Oldsmobile!

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:35:47 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain

For what it is worth, don't buy a book, AutoZone used to give out a
booklet with the codes and a key to short the diagnostic pins together
on the ALDL connector under the dash for FREE.  It is the only thing
left at AutoZone that is worth it (IMO).  Worth checking out.  They do
have a website if you need to find one near you.  



Thomas Martin
Bred from a long line of Oldsmobiles:
1957 Starfire Coupe Convertible J-2, turquoise blue  (If anyone ever
sees one, please let me know!!)
1965 88 330 (Bought to replace a new 66 Biscayne that just sucked
compared to an Olds!)
1968 Delmont 88 350 4BBL  (First new Olds!)
1976 Delta 88 Royale 350 4BBL  (Next!  68 over 110,000 miles, how bout a
new one?)
1984 98 Regency 307  (got a good deal, sold after 1 year, troublesome
car, dealer was worse)
And the one still in the family
1985 Cutlass Supreme 307 (soon to be 350), and it was my Father's
Oldsmobile!

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 15:07:24 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: RE: Travel Route Help (sorry)

Greg & all,

Sorry 'bout the bounce, I sent the message to a few other Olds friends 
heading up to Lansing.  That might have been the cause for the "extended" 
header.  I'll address messages to the newsgroup and ONLY the newsgroup for 
now on.  That's what I get for going on vacation last week.

Thanks Greg for forwarding it to the list.
BTW - it WAS included in digest #794 before you forwarded it to the list so 
it got there twice. "Double the pleasure, double the fun"

See y'all in Lansing!
     
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occhome.html
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:17:31 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: 1988 H/O Sales Folder For Sale (8/12)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1988 20th Anniversary Hurst/Olds Aero Commemorative sales folder.
Original full color pocket folder containing two black and white 8 x 10
factory photos of the white prototype 1988 Hurst/Olds; three sheets of
specifications, photos and other information on the 20th Anniversary
Aero Commemorative kit for dealer installation (printed in black and
red, on white); a copy of the 8-page May 1988 issue of ³Automotive
Digest of Arizona² which includes an article on the 1988 Hurst/Olds; and
a one page information sheet and order form for the 1988 Hurst/Olds
³Mini Commemorative² gokart.  Excellent original condition.  $25.00,
including shipping to any address in North America.  (8/12/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | =======================+
|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
+=====================================+

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:13:30 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 455 rebuild/ What to use?

>I'd like to find a good core 455 motor to put into my '68 Cutlass conv. My 
<snip>
>1. Which is the best 455 core for my needs?

Any '68-'72 455 would serve as a good core, especially since you'll be
replacing so many parts.

>2.Is the Toro motor with the steel crank worth looking for? Which years?
>Which block and head codes do I want?

The Toro motors did not have the steel cranks (I just checked on the 455 I
pulled from a '68 Toro a couple days ago; it was cast). Oddly enough,
they've been found primarily on low-compression, 2-bbl 455's in 1968 cars
with a towing package.

Anyway, you do not need the steel crank; the nodular iron crank will do just
fine.

>3.Any recs on compression ratio? I figure 9.5:1 is prob the max for today's
>gas.

You can use the 10.25:1 pistons if you recurve the distributor advance.

>4.Are any headers avail for my convertible? Do I want them? or cast 442
>manifolds?

442 manifolds.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 07:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: remove

thankyou, i will be using a different screen name

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:07:07 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s III

As I briefly explained to Alain, I wasn't mad or offended, it's just that
no one EVER gets my name either spelled or pronounced right.  Since I've
kept my name in honor of my dad who never had any sons, I sorta watch out
for it.

Exactly what year did the 455's go to blue?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:21:52 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS

Our club chapter has been lucky (not me, they do it on Fridays) to have
guided tours of Edelbrock's plant.  They've been told about this head
coming out & if they have another tour, I'm skipping work to go.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Automatic Car Watch

On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:

> OLDsmobile historians,
> 
> 
> Did Oldsmbobile in fact equip its cars with such an item?

My dad had one in an early Olds - must have been the '50 or '52 - vaguely
recall the car was dark green with a sloping back. Or it could have
been in the '56 two-tone (red and beige) Holiday Hardtop.  The clock came
with the car - my dad wouldn't have spent money on that unless it was part
of a package.

Hope this helps.
Don Sugarman


sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:53:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBuff76@aol.com
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

dont know about your situation - but while were on the issue.....

I have a 67 cutlass conv. and the only place i know of to mount a 
speaker (stockwise) is in the dash. does anybody have a suggestion
as to a good place to mount other speakers - the mono sound is 
killing me.
thanks. don b.

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:16:00 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: '67 CS Conv Tunes (Was Re: stereo in a convertable?)

> I have a 67 cutlass conv. and the only place i know of to mount a 
> speaker (stockwise) is in the dash. does anybody have a suggestion
> as to a good place to mount other speakers - the mono sound is 
> killing me.
> thanks.

Well Don, I have a '67 CS conv. in which I put stereophonic sound.

Actually, the P.O. had an aftermarket AM/FM/Cassette in the dash, and
had a pair of those Radio Shack box speakers -- Minina 7s as I recall --
sitting on the rear seat.  One of the parts of the deal when I bought the
car was that he *wanted* the receiver back, which I gladly returned.
Piece o' junk, poor reception, it could only pick up the oldies station.
(Not knocking Oldies, y'unnerstand :) ).  Kinda spooky and Stephen King-esque
actually, only being able to listen to 60s music in a 60s car, but I digress...

I ended up putting in a Pioneer SuperTuner III with a removable faceplate in
the dash, 6.5" round coaxials in the doors, and 4" round coaxials in the
rear armrests.  I was very careful about measuring the depth of those 4 inchers
for clearance with the convertable top pistons.

It sounds great, but it does take points off at judging time, what with
that big tuner in the dash andthose non-factory speakers all over the place :)

But I drive my car for enjoyment, not for show; so I listen to my tunes,
not the judges.



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:19:18 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS

LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
> 
> Yes we have plans to make an aluminum head for the Oldsmobile
> engines. Mondello Performance and us have combined efforts to
> design a head. We should have them the first part of '98.
> 
> We finnaly have confirmation!!!! Edelbrock is making an aluminum Head
> for the OLDS big block!!!! The angles have finally blessed our
> beloved OLDS!
> 
> Ben
> '62 Olds F-85
> '68 Olds 442


Last year Edelbrock told me they would be out fall of '97- guess they are a little behind schedule.  No 
matter, I'll be buying a pair the second I see them in their catalog.

- -greg

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 09:17:07 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds Centennial Club Cruise Nite - 9/13 (Maryland)

Saturday September 13, 1997
- ---------------------------
1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE. 
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club (OCA Chapter as of 8/21/97). At 
The Big M Restaurant/Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, 
MD (Between Bel Air & Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and 
condition Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free 
goodie bag to first 50 Oldsmobile through the gate. Open to the public. 
Other vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 
drawing.
Info: 
Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381   e-mail: brad442@erols.com 
Club Web Link at http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370.   

Saturday September 13, 1997
- ---------------------------
1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE. 
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club (OCA Chapter as of 8/21/97). At 
The Big M Restaurant/Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, 
MD (Between Bel Air & Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and 
condition Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free 
goodie bag to first 50 Oldsmobile through the gate. Open to the public. 
Other vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 
drawing.
Info: 
Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381   e-mail: brad442@erols.com 
Club Web Link at http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370.   

 ---  
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com Personal Web Page - 
http://www.erols/com/brad442 
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:12:10
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

At 06:25 PM 8/11/97 -0400, you wrote:

>> The Jetstar I was and is more closely associated with the Starfire.  In
>> fact, there is a Starfire/Jetstar I chapter in OCA.
>> 

>Technically it is called a Jetstar I without any reference to an 88, but
>it is an 88 chassis and is insured and I believe also titled as a "1965
>Oldsmobile Jetstar I 88"  Sorry.

Well, Rick, don't apologize.  Titles can have mistakes on them.  By this
reasoning, any of the '61-'66 era Starfires could be called 88s, because
they're built on an 88 chassis.  But I don't think anyone thinks of them as
88s or refers to them that way.  They're just Starfires.  You've got a
Jetstar I.  A nice car with a short history that makes it unique.  



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:21:18
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II and III

At 01:13 AM 8/12/97 -0600, you wrote:
>	Just a couple of days ago I became a proud owner of another delta, a '76
>with non other then the 455.  It is an old beater I got for free from some
>guy just to take it off his hands.  After 4 years of sitting, it started
>right away.  It runs good, although it looks so bad that it just sends a
>chill down your spine when you look at it.  It is big, rusty and mean
>looking.  

What a great image this conjures up!  I laughed out loud.


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 09:41:13 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: tire size question

  Given the list traffic recently on tire sizes on A-body cars, I've put 
  together the following list of cars I have owned and the tire/wheel combos, 
  with notes on the clearances:
  
  CAR               TIRE                WHEEL     NOTES
  
  68 Vista Cruiser  BFG 245/60-14       SSII 14x6 No Rubbing
  
  68 442            BFG 245/60-14       SSII 14x7 No Rubbing
  
  72 442            BFG 245/60-14       Alum 14x7 Frts rub on hard turns
  
  70 Supreme        BFG 245/60-14       Alum 14x7 Frts rub on hard turns
  
  69 H/O            BFG 255/60-15       SSII 15x7 No Rubbing
  
  71 Cutlass        BFG 245/60-14 (F)   Alum 14x7 No Rubbing (note 1)
                    BFG 275/60-15 (R)   Alum 15x8 Flared fenders
  
  70 W-30           BFG 245/60-14 (F)   SSII 14x7 No Rubbing
                    BFG 255/60-15 (R)   SSII 15x7 no Rubbing  
  
  (note 1) Car had a fiberglass one-piece front end with no inner fenders, so 
  while it did not rub, this is not a good indication for stock fenders.
  
  The aluminum aftermarket wheels were all slot-type mags with greater than 
  stock offset.  I've never had a problem with SSII-type wheels.  The 69 H/O 
  with the BFG 255/60-15s on the stock H/O wheels looks especially good, and 
  I've never had a problem with rubbing on that car.
  
  Hope this helps with wheel/tire selection.
  
  Joe Padavano
  padavano.joe@orbital.com
  
  66 442
  68 W-30
  69 H/O
  70 W-30       

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:50:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: delta 88s III

I think the 455's went blue in 1970. Coupe King

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 97 09:59 EDT
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: H*LP with the 100th

All,

Here's the scoop:  I didn't register my car for the 100th, because I have
a baby due 8/20.  Also, with all the talk about not being able to keep
your eye on your car, I was somewhat skeptical about bringing it, anyway.

Now it turns out that we are having the baby this Friday (if not sooner),
and my wife (the 3rd perfect woman mentioned in the past week :)) is 
encouraging me to go to the 100th.

I'm interested in displaying the car and I'd really like to get the 
goodie bag.  Has anyone registered a car that they won't be bringing?
Or have an extra registration they would care to sell?  Olds has none
left.

Lodging is not a problem.  And either way I look forward to seeing you
all on Thursday afternoon in the Holiday Inn parking lot.

TIA,
Mike Turley     '66 442
turley@symplex.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:09:26 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: (Fwd) H*LP with the 100th

Subject: H*LP with the 100th
Cc: turley@symplex.com
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

All,

Here's the scoop:  I didn't register my car for the 100th, because I have
a baby due 8/20.  Also, with all the talk about not being able to keep
your eye on your car, I was somewhat skeptical about bringing it, anyway.

Now it turns out that we are having the baby this Friday (if not sooner),
and my wife (the 3rd perfect woman mentioned in the past week :)) is
encouraging me to go to the 100th.

I'm interested in displaying the car and I'd really like to get the
goodie bag.  Has anyone registered a car that they won't be bringing?
Or have an extra registration they would care to sell?  Olds has none
left.

Lodging is not a problem.  And either way I look forward to seeing you
all on Thursday afternoon in the Holiday Inn parking lot.

TIA,
Mike Turley     '66 442
turley@symplex.com


- ---End of forwarded mail from oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca


	So Mike....Does this mean that the Woodward cruise, Saturday, is out of
the question?

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

           (drdecal@juno.com) or (mcornea@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:12:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Automatic Car Watch

Sounds like an early '50s item I've seen on '51-52 Olds 98 models.
I've seen them in both antique shops and at auto swap meets for
anywhere from $50-$150 per condition.
Hope this helps--
Coupe King @aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:32:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '64 F85 wagon parting

Walking the aisles at the local Pick Your Part junkyard and found a very
clean and dry gold '64 ( I think) F85 wagon. Xlnt grille and headlight
surrounds, 
4 original T3 headlights, some nice dashboard pieces. Anybody out there 
have any special needs?
Email directly to Coupe King@ aol.com  (SoCal)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:17:00 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s (Distributors)

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, ISSVAL wrote:

>> What about HEI conversion?

>A whole different animal. Never done it but it has been talked about here
>forever (see the FAQ) and many folks have done it with great success.
>Does away with points, which is a big plus.

Or use one of those Pertronix Ignitor or similar Jacobs units to avoid
the problem described below...

>BTW: I remember that one of the drawbacks (at least sometimes) with an
>HEI conversion is that the HEI distributor is bigger than the points kind
>and interferes with the fit of the air cleaner. I'm surprised that I
>don't remember anyone mentioning that later Rocket V-8s (at least the one
>in my '78) have an air cleaner with an offset hole. The effect is to move
>the whole assembly forward on the engine, presumably to allow clearance
>for the HEI. I would have thought that these would be hot items to have
>for those who did the conversion, and that someone would have mentioned
>it before this. If they did, I don't recall it but thought it would be
>useful for folks here to know.

Interesting, Greg.  I hadnt heard of the offset air cleaner pan before.  I
always
assumed the HEI cars came with a "pre-dented" air cleaner from the factory.
:-)

In my case it probably wouldnt work though, as the offset pan would shift the
OAI assembly such that it didnt seal to the  hole in the hood.  Plus the
snorkle
inlet is probably smaller on a Delta's pan.

As for me, I just bought a spare distributor and a Pertronix unit to play
with last
weekend.  I'll probably put it on in the fall or winter.

- -Jeff

jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442 4 -speed

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:16:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: H*LP with the 100th

Hello! I think that I might have a registration left! I'm bringing my 70 w31.
what is this parking lot stuff at holiday inn? What holiday inn? I'll check
for one! Good luck!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:32:05 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: delta 88s (Distributors)

> In my case it probably wouldnt work though, as the offset pan would shift the
> OAI assembly such that it didnt seal to the  hole in the hood.  Plus the
> snorkle
> inlet is probably smaller on a Delta's pan.

Weird.  Never seen a 4 bbl V8 OFFSET base.  BUT, if you need HEI
clearance and want to keep your OAI, then what you may want to consider
is getting another 455 4bbl cleaner (non-OAI) and try to measure how
much clearance you need.  Take the base to a metal-shop, they can cut
out the notch and weld in a "dent" section, then you can finish it, and
you could have your spark and air inlet too.  However, there are two
other things to consider here.  ONE:  The drain holes in the cleaner
will have to drilled, like the OAI, and TWO: the inlet snorkel is about
3/4" to 1" narrower than the OAI.  No big deal, since when you need all
that air flow the flapper door should be open.  You may also need to
drill an extra rocker cover breather hole on the side of the cleaner if
you need it.

.02 cents
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:51:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: H*LP with the 100th

On Tue, 12 Aug 1997 DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> what is this parking lot stuff at holiday inn? What holiday inn? I'll check
> for one! Good luck!

<Radio Announcer Drag Race Commercial Voice mode ON>

Thursday!! August 21st!!! At the Holiday Inn West in Lansing Michigan!!! 
FEEL the rumble of thousands of Olds Rocket V-8 horsepower!!! SEE
dozens of Lansings favorite chariots!!! HEAR the THUNDER <sound effect
on> of unleashed power!!! DON'T MISS the first OLDS LIST MEMBER
MEETING!  THURSDAY! AUGUST 21ST!! 4:00PM!!! HOLIDAY INN WEST, LANSING
MICHIGAN!!! Don't you dare miss it! THURSDAY!! THURSDAY!!! THURSDAY!!! 

<mode OFF>

Whew.... always wanted to do that!  ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:57:39 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Air Cleaner for HEI

What did the factory come up with back then (68-72) when you had HEI
for an air cleaner.  I can't believe they would dent it up to make it
fit.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:13:45 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: covt. top problems

I have a 1971 4-4-2 covt. with a power top problem.

First of all in my opinion, it seems the top movement should be faster 
than it is.  I bought the car June 2, 1997 and didn't have any problems 
until mid July.  

When I put the top down, no problem.  When I go to put the top up, the 
following characteristics happen:

1.)  The drivers side tends to come up a little slower at         
first, but does "catch up".  It doesn't seem to be      binding 
anywhere, (such as the back window). 

2.)  The top will stop dead completely, at least three times,      
while attempting to put it all the way up.  NO FUSES         BLOW!  
There must be something that "resets" because         after it stops 
dead, I must wait about 20 - 25 seconds.      Then, it works again, 
(until it stops again). 

3.)  When the top does work, it's smooth,(and slow), and does      not 
pulse or jump.

I looked in the 71 service manual and couldn't find anything for a 
covt. top.  The owners manual was about as helpful as, well you know 
how "helpful" the owners manuals are!  

Before I start replacing anything, I would like to know what the common 
causes of this problem are.  One guy I talked to said to check the 
fluid.  Where? How?  

What literature covers covt. tops, components and repairs for a 71' 
cutlass 4-4-2?

Thanks in advance for any help!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 09:05:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner for HEI

HEI did't come into to use on Olds motors until 74,hence no need for denting
the 68-72 air cleaners. 'Cept maybe some experimental factory stuff long
since crushed or in someone's Olds engineer's garage...
cf

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:11:36 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner for HEI

>What did the factory come up with back then (68-72) when you had HEI
>for an air cleaner.  I can't believe they would dent it up to make it
>fit.

I didn't think they _had_ HEI until around 1974, with some exceptions.
I have seen some '72-vintage distributors in a service manual with some
really bizarre pot-metal-like extra shielding, but that was the only
unusual engineering I saw prior to the '73-'74 era...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:16:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: delta 88s III

olds big blocks went blue in color in 70,   steven. w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:09:04 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner for HEI

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> 
> What did the factory come up with back then (68-72) when you had HEI
> for an air cleaner.  I can't believe they would dent it up to make it
> fit.

Chris,  they had an easy solution.....use a points type distributor. 
HEI's were not used until 73.  Even the UHV distributors on the outside
were the same head size as the points type.  Actually, the dent doesn't
have to be real large.  Just enough to clear.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:15:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Accessory Brackets and Pulleys ??

Can anyone give me information on the exchange compatibility of small 
block ie 260 to big block ie 455 accessory brackets (ps,alt and ac) and 
crank and water pump pulleys.. Thanks for the info

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:21:51 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: tire size question (status)

- --- Forwarded mail from oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Date: 	Tue, 12 Aug 97 09:41:13 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re[2]: tire size question
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca


  Given the list traffic recently on tire sizes on A-body cars, I've put
  together the following list of cars I have owned and the tire/wheel combos,
  with notes on the clearances:

  CAR               TIRE                WHEEL     NOTES

  68 Vista Cruiser  BFG 245/60-14       SSII 14x6 No Rubbing

  68 442            BFG 245/60-14       SSII 14x7 No Rubbing

  72 442            BFG 245/60-14       Alum 14x7 Frts rub on hard turns

  70 Supreme        BFG 245/60-14       Alum 14x7 Frts rub on hard turns

  69 H/O            BFG 255/60-15       SSII 15x7 No Rubbing

  71 Cutlass        BFG 245/60-14 (F)   Alum 14x7 No Rubbing (note 1)
                    BFG 275/60-15 (R)   Alum 15x8 Flared fenders

  70 W-30           BFG 245/60-14 (F)   SSII 14x7 No Rubbing
                    BFG 255/60-15 (R)   SSII 15x7 no Rubbing

  70 W-30	    BFG 265/50-15 (F)   SSI 15x8 No Rubbing
		    BFG 295/50-15 (R)   SSI 15x8 No Rubbing

	Joe - Added mine for info  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
	~~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

  (note 1) Car had a fiberglass one-piece front end with no inner fenders, so
  while it did not rub, this is not a good indication for stock fenders.

  The aluminum aftermarket wheels were all slot-type mags with greater than
  stock offset.  I've never had a problem with SSII-type wheels.  The 69 H/O
  with the BFG 255/60-15s on the stock H/O wheels looks especially good, and
  I've never had a problem with rubbing on that car.

  Hope this helps with wheel/tire selection.

  Joe Padavano
  padavano.joe@orbital.com

  66 442
  68 W-30
  69 H/O
  70 W-30




- ---End of forwarded mail from oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:21:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Head Rebuild Info Wanted

It would be great if someone with substantially more knowledge than I 
could post a definitive treatise on rebuilding heads covering such things 
as valve stem heights, installed spring heights, oversize valves, pushrod 
lengths, valve lengths, etc.  Maybe an idea would be to start with the 
bolt ons and proceed through the various machine work necessary to create 
perfect valve train geometry. (Porting and so forth would be in another 
treatise).. This information would be a great addition to the faq..Thanks 
for your time and effort

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:35:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

i saw rear speakers in a 70 cutlass conv. they were factory!, they went in
the top well,behind the back seat. they were bolt in to super structure next
to conv.top pump.       i had same question on my conv., and this is what i
plan to do.  hope this helps,  steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:39:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: covt. top problems

>I have a 1971 4-4-2 covt. with a power top problem.
><snipped>
 One guy I talked to said to check the 
>fluid.  Where? How?  
>
<snipped>
>
>Thanks in advance for any help!
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>
In the trunk, in the back of the back seat, sometimes covered by a panel, 
you should find an electric pump which pumps fluid (usually ATF) through 
hydraulic lines to cylinders which actually raise and lower the top. The 
cylinders look like huge shock absorbers and are mounted between the 
exterior body sheetmetal and the side upholstery/ armrests. 

Fluid leaks are very common problems with old convertibles. All of these 
parts are potential sources of leaks.

At one end of the electric pump is a fluid reservoir. It should have a 
rubber plug on the end which you can CAREFULLY remove to add fluid. If your 
hydraulic lines are transparent (they should be) you should be able to see 
the fuid - usually red ATF. Lots of bubbles in the lines tends to indicate 
low fluid.

If you are lucky and have no major leaks, replenish the fluid by removing 
the rubber plug and putting in ATF until it won't hold any more. While the 
plug is still out, run the top up and down a couple times, then again fill 
the reservoir. repeat this procedure several times until bubbles in the 
lines are gone or nearly gone. Then reinstall the rubber plug.

You may need to replace some of these parts. If you do, cylinders and 
"correct" pumps are expensive and somewhat a PITA to replace. My suggestion 
if you need to replace cylinders is to replace lines at the same time.

Mud?

Roger Hitson

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:43:36 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: There still out there!!!

I had such a find yesterday, I must tell Yall about it.  A friend calls a friend
who calls me and says he has a Olds to get rid of.  I only go look because it
is 1 mile from work.  I get over there and it is a 72 442 convt. factory 
Matador red, white interior, dual gate, posi rear, no a/c, car is from Colorado
he owned it since 1978.  Amazingly enough the paint is very original and very 
nice, interior very clean with only 1 rip in the seat about 1 inch long.
All paper work on the car, protecto plate ect. Just when you think there cant
be anymore laying around, I find another one. Go figure.
 
$1000 just doesnt go as far as it used to.

Mike
 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:46:27 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Accessory Brackets and Pulleys ??

The Viking wrote:
> 
> Can anyone give me information on the exchange compatibility of small
> block ie 260 to big block ie 455 accessory brackets (ps,alt and ac) and
> crank and water pump pulleys.. Thanks for the info

According to my 69 & 71 assembly manuals, the same part # for brackets
were used for small and big-inch Olds V8.  The only difference was what
holes lined up for the bracket support bars on the A/C and PS.  But
those holes were included in 71, I don't know about past '76. But they
did use  a different PS pump for a 455.  The belts would have to be
changed at least for the Alt and A/C, since the 455 was wider up top. 
But I see minimal complications here.  Of course if anyone's ever
actually tried this, then they would know for sure.  I always got the
brackets and everything whenever I made this type of swap just to make
sure.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:49:35 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

> i saw rear speakers in a 70 cutlass conv. they were factory!, they went in
> the top well,behind the back seat. they were bolt in to super structure next
> to conv.top pump.       i had same question on my conv., and this is what i
> plan to do.  hope this helps,  steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

Oh yeah, I forgot.  I *think* there are mounting points on the back of my
rear seat for 6x9s too; I found that someone (not the P.O.) had left some
ratty aftermarket speaks here when I re-upholstered; they weren't hooked up
to the stereo that the P.O. had in place.

As they point towards the trunk, speakers configured thusly they might be good
for bass response, but not much else. 

Hmmm, Dr. Bose (as in Bose speakers) has a little lab he plays at, just a
mile or two from my house.  I hear he likes good tunes in a car, too...
I wonder if he'd have any suggestions for tunes, if I brought my convertible
over? :)

Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:58:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Iowa/Nothern Illinois guys....  with 80's style Cutlass

I've been meaning to do this for a while, but haven't gotten around to it.  I
work at Ingersoll Cutting Tools/Ingersoll Milling Machine, and have seen a
white Cutlass (80's body style) that has Iowa plates on it.  It is totally
white, with mags, blue (looks blue, at least) interior, and a hand made
center console (out of wood, and has guages in it, etc.).  It's a very nice
looking car, very clean.  Question is.... is this a person who is on the
list, or that somebody on the list knows?  I haven't been able to
"run-across" the guy in the parking lot, and leaving my business card netted
nothing either.  Now I haven't seen the car in a while, and I'm wondering if
it was someone from out of town, working here temporarily.

Thanks,
Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:59:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: covt. top problems

i have 71 conv. and have answer for you.  email me at w30442cs@aol.com
  steven.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:10:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: covt. top problems

That convertible top mechanism is raised and lowered by hydraulic 
cylinders, which in turn are activated by a pump. The pump is located in 
the trunk on the differential hump right behind the back seat. To access 
the fluid reservoir you have to climb into the trunk. It's on the right 
side of the pump under a screwed-in plug. Fluid should be right to the 
top. Use transmission fluid to replenish. 

When you say "it stops dead" does all activity stop? Does the pump at 
least keep whirring?  If there's no pump action you have an electrical 
problem. If the pump continues to run but there's no top movement, you 
have a problem with seals in the pump, with the hoses feeding the 
hydraulic cylinders, or with the cylinders themselves. 

Any of these are messy and expensive to replace, unfortunately. The hoses are
probably the easiest to diagnose since they would be pumping fluid all over
the place.  They are also the easist to replace though the lower fittings on
the cylinders are a bit of a pain. Start by checking the fluid level and if
low, top it up, operate the pump, and check for leaks. That will give you
more to go on. Good luck!! 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:07:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: 1988 Cutlass Supreme

During lunch today I went to check out the car. It was in bad
shape. The 10th letter was a "J" and it had the "Y" engine. The guy
was asking $1400, which was too much in my opinion. The car had 
almost no options:

No power windows
No power locks
No power seats
No vinly top
No chrome on the sides or on the top of the doors where the windows
are.
Plus the front bumper on the driver side was push in along with the
fender, it had damage on both doors.
On the plus side it did have a new transmission (200c 3spd) and the
air condition worked.

I hardly think that this car is worth $1400 I told my friend to
offer him $800, the guy said no way he would sell it that cheap.


How much is this car worth ????  Remember this car has no options,
just Air and Cruise..

Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:11:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Trip down to mid-Illinois during July... spotted this car... uuggghhh!

Ok, during July (ok, so it's been a month... I've been busy....:) I went down
to mid-Illinois for a weekend to visit some relatives in the Keokuk,
Iowa/Warsaw, Il. area, and saw a car about 30 min. from Keokuk that made me
just shake my head....

It was a late 60's/early 70's (wanna say '68-'69, or so) Cutlass S by the
side of the road with a For Sale sign on it.  I passed it on the way there,
and got to stop on the way back.  It looked rough when I first went by, but
figured "what the heck", I'll stop and check it out.  It was rather rusted,
and about the only thing solid (relatively speaking, in relation to it's
other parts...) was the hood, and that needed work.  The interior had
someone's pissed off cat locked in it for a while (least it looked that way)
cause shit was all tore up (read shredded...) and there were interior pieces
laying all over the inside (not attached, of course...).  When I opened the
hood, I was just amazed... a 350, #7A heads, and nothing on the front of the
motor.... literally.....  it was bare down to the timing chain cover (it did
have the power steering pump tied to the fender to keep it out of the
way...).  It did have a 2 bbl. carb on it (looked like the only accessory
still installed on the engine...).

The best part.... the price, of course..... $430.00.  Yep, a non-running,
rusted out, and chewed up car for that price....

I suppose that a person looking for other parts (originals, to keep numbers
matching, etc.) may find this ok, not me (who would want a running car for
that, or at least one in "decent" shape......).  So, of course, I didn't buy
it....  Anybody else looking for parts, e-mail me, and I'll tell ya where it
is, but I'd bet you'll find better in other places....

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:19:06 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: Re: '64 F85 wagon parting

CoupeKing,
    I need the right front wheel opening moldings and right side bsm's
for a '64 cutlass convert, and also the molded lower water pump to
radiator hose. Can you help? 
                   Thanks, Doug
                      

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue, modified 455), '67 4-4-2 (white, original
un-restored), '67 4-4-2 Convertable, original un-restored

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:24:07 -0400
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: tilt wheel help

>
>
>         You must pull up on the shaft and put the snap ring on at the
> same
> time. This is like three monkey's. Get it started and then pul up on
> it
> while you get a helping hand pushing it down. It should go on then.
> They are
> very tight.
>
> For 7.98 approx, you can buy a tool for that purpose. It works great.
> You can buy it at any parts store.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:40:24 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: tilt wheel help

> For 7.98 approx, you can buy a tool for that purpose. It works great.
> You can buy it at any parts store.

...and is known as a Lock Plate Compressor, if you want to call around
to find one.

Actually I thought the original poster must have had one already (not
sure how the heck you'd ever get the snap ring off without it), but
was getting it mysteriously stuck while trying to put the ring back
on, with the lock plate not compressing far enough to reveal the ring
recess.

I can think of two possibilities, both longshots:

1) The locking pin is somehow getting stuck behind the lock plate
instead of passing through one of its notches. But OTOH, it's supposed
to be spring-loaded to allow that, in case the ignition switch is moved
to LOCK with no lock plate notch aligned over the pin.

2) The signal cancel cam and plate spring (the big sucker that pushes
up on the lock plate) were assembled out of order. I forget the order
they're _supposed_ to go on, but you can put the stuff back together
two different ways, but in the wrong order, they stack higher. HTH...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:54:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 78 Supreme Hubcap

trying to find hub cap, can you give description of it?,  have many areas to
check from,but i believe there was more than one used on broughm.   steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:57:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner for HEI

At 11:11 AM 8/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>What did the factory come up with back then (68-72) when you had HEI
>>for an air cleaner.  I can't believe they would dent it up to make it
>>fit.
>
>I didn't think they _had_ HEI until around 1974, with some exceptions.
>I have seen some '72-vintage distributors in a service manual with some
>really bizarre pot-metal-like extra shielding, but that was the only
>unusual engineering I saw prior to the '73-'74 era...
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>

  JEGS shows offset Air cleaner bases for HEI in their New&Hot section.  I
believe they are K&N.  


  Paul Brillhart

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 13:58:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: stereo in a convertable?

behind the rear seat in the super structure next to conv. pump.  factory
installed them their some times.  you should see holes.  steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: covt. top problems

check fluid level in pump, if it is low ,could be problem.  also; some times
air gets into lines and wont let pump do its job.  if this happens lines must
be blead.  call me and i will be glad to walk you through it, not hard.
  steven.  w30442cs@aol.com                                 ph #
 (918)-225-3193   

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: Bob Moore Oldsmobile

Mike Rothe wrote:

<<Hi all, I was just reading about the 80 W-30 and that Williamson Olds is
still around (Thanks to Dan Hamlett). I was just wondering for those in
the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
Oldsmobile in Witchita. I was just wondering if they were still around,
or if they were sold out to someone else, or even closed.  Apparently,
they sold my 69 H/O new.

Mike Rothe>>

Mike I live near Wichita and it is now known as Davis-Moore
Oldsmobile,Jeep-Eagle, Dodge,Nissan-Datsun-Lincoln,Mercury,Mazda,Infinity.
 At least that what the ad in the yellow pages says...

If you need to know something from them let me know I can contact them for
you.

Cecil Smalley
1991 W-41

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: Bob Moore Oldsmobile

Mike Rothe wrote:

<<Hi all, I was just reading about the 80 W-30 and that Williamson Olds is
still around (Thanks to Dan Hamlett). I was just wondering for those in
the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
Oldsmobile in Witchita. I was just wondering if they were still around,
or if they were sold out to someone else, or even closed.  Apparently,
they sold my 69 H/O new.

Mike Rothe>>

Mike I live near Wichita and it is now known as Davis-Moore
Oldsmobile,Jeep-Eagle, Dodge,Nissan-Datsun-Lincoln,Mercury,Mazda,Infinity.
 At least that what the ad in the yellow pages says...

If you need to know something from them let me know I can contact them for
you.

Cecil Smalley
1991 W-41

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:54:31 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk / Split Personalities?

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:

> > I logged in
> > to both pages at the same time under different nicknames and talked
> to
> > myself for a while.
>
> Uhmm Charley you haven't baught a Chevy have you? This could get bad
> if you
> have!
>
> Uh, don't worry, ~that~ hasn't happened (notice I didn't say "yet")
> Oh, my two nicknames were Rockit1 and Rockit2, btw.  Nothing to do
> with ch*vy.  (I ~did~ drive one for a while, I'd used my parents truck
> to pull my trailer, but I gave it back, ~honest!~)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:03:29 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Hub cap for Bavaria

Any luck with the hub cap for the 78' Cutlass for our friend across the
ocean???
I'm still searching in SE PA.				The General 

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 15:12:11 -0400
From: Steve.Selinger@HQ.amhqemx1.astramerck.com
Subject: Convertible Speakers

Here is some information that I have about factory convertible speakers.

I have a '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.  Shortly after buying this car a few
years ago, I wanted to restore the radio configuration back to factory.  I
already had the original radio - an am/fm stereo unit, but was unsure of how it
was supposed to be set up.  A call to Elliot's classic radio (listed in
Hemmings) repair got me pointed in the right direction.  I took a trip up there
with the car (about a 45 min ride for me) and he set me up by repairing the
original radio, and by restoring the wiring to the original configuration.
 The front speaker is plugged into the factory radio by a 3 conductor
connector.  Two conductors for the speaker and one for power I believe.  The
other end of the wires for the front speaker are soldered onto the tabs on the
speaker itself.  As for the rear speaker, there is a blue wire that comes out
of the side of the radio that plugs into another blue wire that runs to the
rear of the car under the passenger's seat.  This wire connects to one side of
a 6x9 speaker mounted in the rear well where the top folds into.  The other
side of the speaker is wired to the ground of the car.  Even though there is
another space for a 6x9 speaker in the top well, I am only aware of a two
speaker configuration for the whole car.  One speaker in the back on the
passenger's side and one speaker in the center of the dash.  It does actually
produce stereo - front to back, not left to right.
 BTW, the speakers in the rear are mounted with special mounting hardware.  The
guy at Elliot's showed me one ( but would not part with it) and I had my friend
make me 4 of them at his machine shop.  It is a spacer that has 1/4 - 20
threads on the one side with a shoulder that goes down to a bolt head.  This
piece fits through the sheet metal on the well and goes through the openings on
the speaker.  the speaker is then secured with a 1/4 - 20 nut with a built in
lock washer.  There is also a hole that goes all the way through the spacer
that is threaded with I believe a 6 or 8 32.  The speaker grille then mounts to
the spacer using the 8 - 32 screw.  The grille should be stamped steel (I think
Year One has these).
 I hope this information is helpful.  If you need more accurate further
information, I suggest you call Elliot's as listed in Hemmings.  For those of
you who don't care about originality, just mount your speakers however you see
fit in the rear well, there are two openings for 6x9's


Steve
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - 455
Steve.Selinger@astramerck.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:11:11 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: There still out there!!!

mike.blankenship@medaphis.com wrote:
> 
> I had such a find yesterday, I must tell Yall about it.  A friend calls a friend
> who calls me and says he has a Olds to get rid of.  I only go look because it
> is 1 mile from work.  I get over there and it is a 72 442 convt. factory
> Matador red, white interior, dual gate, posi rear, no a/c, car is from Colorado
> he owned it since 1978.  Amazingly enough the paint is very original and very
> nice, interior very clean with only 1 rip in the seat about 1 inch long.
> All paper work on the car, protecto plate ect. Just when you think there cant
> be anymore laying around, I find another one. Go figure.
> 
> $1000 just doesnt go as far as it used to.

You paid $1000 for a 442 convertible?  You dog!  I am jealous!  I would
like a
$1000 convertible too.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 12:17:11 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Trying to find a dealer

Hi all,

I am becoming discouraged trying to find the dealership that sold my
1968 442 SC to the original owner.  The name of the dealership is
Romel.  Anyone heard of this name or know how I can trace down new
whereabouts.

BTW they were located in Redondo Beach, CA.

Chris Sparks

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