[Editors note - Due to Digest Problems, the Digest numbers were reset to 737 after
 Digest 742 had been sent. So Digest #743 contains digests 737 thru 742 (which are
 NOT the same as the individual digests).  I have renamed the repeat # digests with
 an "a" suffix and put them at the beginning of Digest #743. -JE]

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oldsmobile-digest         Monday, July 7 1997         Volume 01 : Number 737a



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Re: My 5 Seconds of Fame...
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Re: W-31 production
unsuscribe oldsmobile
Re: VIN Dates
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Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD? [was: 72 Cutlass S for sale (maybe)]
RE: Rear end help
ADMIN: Re: Message not deliverable
Olds Centennial Club Show - 7/13 (Maryland)
Bad Weekend
Re: Race
Car show weekend
Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD? [was: 72 Cutlass S for sale  (maybe)]
Re: ADMIN: Re: Message not deliverable
Re: Bad Weekend
RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Take me OFF this list please!!! 
RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements
Re: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements
Re: Bad Weekend
Re: further brake problems
Re: Rear end help
Re: Speedbleeders (Was: further brake problems)
RE: Rear end help
Re: Fwd: Heater hoses
RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Cheap paint recommendations?
SX heads
Tic Toc Tac help again
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:02:26 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

 Hey all,

 I just bought a (another) 1967 Cutlass. This is a C/S hardtop and
 it has factory 4 speed behind a 330/320. It has a 12 bolt rear (I
 am hoping its posi, havent gotten the car home to check it out yet)
 Has protecto-plate with orig owners manual too !!
 I am curious about production figures for Non 442 cutlasses with
 4 speed. ANybody have any ideas ?
 For you VIN freaks ...  338177G153818 ... tell you anything ?

 Thanks, Mike Walker

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:07:26 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

Yesterday was yet another gorgeous day here (we know we're gonna pay for 
it later on!) and despite the problem I'm having with my Cutlass right 
now (we think it's u-joints, parts arriving today) I took it out for a 
sedate cruise. Rare around here when it's warm enough to drive around 
with all the windows down and I love that Holiday coupe look. Anyway, 
after a bit I needed gas and I decided to invest an extra couple of bucks 
in one of those Niagara Falls style touchless car washes. Yes, I rolled 
the windows up first... 

I was towelling off the drops left on the car in the lot afterwards when 
a guy walks up with a video camera and starts shooting. He didn't ask 
whether it was OK first which I thought was a little rude, just said Hi, but 
hey, I don't mind anyone taking pictures of the car so I just carried on 
with what I was doing. He shot a lot of tape, it seemed to me, and 
I eventually noticed that the video camera seemed awfully *big*. Finally 
just as I was finishing he said "If you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm 
just shooting some footage for the news tonight... nice day, so we're 
doing a piece on what people do on a sunny Sunday." Oh... :)

Of course I tuned in. And eventually, there I was. Unfortunately, they 
seemed to be more interested in me than my car which proves something 
about how local news sometimes uses poor judgement, but there was a nice 
shot of the front end and a slow zoom onto the split headlights that 
ended up with a closeup of the "Oldsmobile" logo on the hood. :) Just 
wish I had worn my 100th Anniversary Olds cap, would have considerably 
reduced the glare from the top of my head when I was shown bending over 
drying the wheels... and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!  :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:07:30 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

 Hey all,

 I just bought a (another) 1967 Cutlass. This is a C/S hardtop and
 it has factory 4 speed behind a 330/320. It has a 12 bolt rear (I
 am hoping its posi, havent gotten the car home to check it out yet)
 Has protecto-plate with orig owners manual too !!
 I am curious about production figures for Non 442 cutlasses with
 4 speed. ANybody have any ideas ?
 For you VIN freaks ...  338177G153818 ... tell you anything ?

 Thanks, Mike Walker

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:12:25 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

Yesterday was yet another gorgeous day here (we know we're gonna pay for 
it later on!) and despite the problem I'm having with my Cutlass right 
now (we think it's u-joints, parts arriving today) I took it out for a 
sedate cruise. Rare around here when it's warm enough to drive around 
with all the windows down and I love that Holiday coupe look. Anyway, 
after a bit I needed gas and I decided to invest an extra couple of bucks 
in one of those Niagara Falls style touchless car washes. Yes, I rolled 
the windows up first... 

I was towelling off the drops left on the car in the lot afterwards when 
a guy walks up with a video camera and starts shooting. He didn't ask 
whether it was OK first which I thought was a little rude, just said Hi, but 
hey, I don't mind anyone taking pictures of the car so I just carried on 
with what I was doing. He shot a lot of tape, it seemed to me, and 
I eventually noticed that the video camera seemed awfully *big*. Finally 
just as I was finishing he said "If you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm 
just shooting some footage for the news tonight... nice day, so we're 
doing a piece on what people do on a sunny Sunday." Oh... :)

Of course I tuned in. And eventually, there I was. Unfortunately, they 
seemed to be more interested in me than my car which proves something 
about how local news sometimes uses poor judgement, but there was a nice 
shot of the front end and a slow zoom onto the split headlights that 
ended up with a closeup of the "Oldsmobile" logo on the hood. :) Just 
wish I had worn my 100th Anniversary Olds cap, would have considerably 
reduced the glare from the top of my head when I was shown bending over 
drying the wheels... and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!  :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:12:21 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

 Hey all,

 I just bought a (another) 1967 Cutlass. This is a C/S hardtop and
 it has factory 4 speed behind a 330/320. It has a 12 bolt rear (I
 am hoping its posi, havent gotten the car home to check it out yet)
 Has protecto-plate with orig owners manual too !!
 I am curious about production figures for Non 442 cutlasses with
 4 speed. ANybody have any ideas ?
 For you VIN freaks ...  338177G153818 ... tell you anything ?

 Thanks, Mike Walker

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 06:20:18 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: My 5 Seconds of Fame...

*THE* Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> ...as I was finishing he said "If you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm
> just shooting some footage for the news tonight... 

Cool!  See if you can get a copy from the station in VHS; send it to me; 
and I'll digitize some frames with the Snappy.

> ...which proves something about how local news sometimes uses poor 
> judgement...

Whoda thought.   :o

> Just wish I had worn my 100th Anniversary Olds cap, would have 
> considerably reduced the glare from the top of my head...

I can retouch that.  How much hair you want?

> ...and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!

Whew!  Saved having another newsworthy event:  "Our camerman get's the 
living crap beat out of him by crazed Chevelle owner.  Film at 11."

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:17:23 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

Yesterday was yet another gorgeous day here (we know we're gonna pay for 
it later on!) and despite the problem I'm having with my Cutlass right 
now (we think it's u-joints, parts arriving today) I took it out for a 
sedate cruise. Rare around here when it's warm enough to drive around 
with all the windows down and I love that Holiday coupe look. Anyway, 
after a bit I needed gas and I decided to invest an extra couple of bucks 
in one of those Niagara Falls style touchless car washes. Yes, I rolled 
the windows up first... 

I was towelling off the drops left on the car in the lot afterwards when 
a guy walks up with a video camera and starts shooting. He didn't ask 
whether it was OK first which I thought was a little rude, just said Hi, but 
hey, I don't mind anyone taking pictures of the car so I just carried on 
with what I was doing. He shot a lot of tape, it seemed to me, and 
I eventually noticed that the video camera seemed awfully *big*. Finally 
just as I was finishing he said "If you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm 
just shooting some footage for the news tonight... nice day, so we're 
doing a piece on what people do on a sunny Sunday." Oh... :)

Of course I tuned in. And eventually, there I was. Unfortunately, they 
seemed to be more interested in me than my car which proves something 
about how local news sometimes uses poor judgement, but there was a nice 
shot of the front end and a slow zoom onto the split headlights that 
ended up with a closeup of the "Oldsmobile" logo on the hood. :) Just 
wish I had worn my 100th Anniversary Olds cap, would have considerably 
reduced the glare from the top of my head when I was shown bending over 
drying the wheels... and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!  :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:22:34 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

Yesterday was yet another gorgeous day here (we know we're gonna pay for 
it later on!) and despite the problem I'm having with my Cutlass right 
now (we think it's u-joints, parts arriving today) I took it out for a 
sedate cruise. Rare around here when it's warm enough to drive around 
with all the windows down and I love that Holiday coupe look. Anyway, 
after a bit I needed gas and I decided to invest an extra couple of bucks 
in one of those Niagara Falls style touchless car washes. Yes, I rolled 
the windows up first... 

I was towelling off the drops left on the car in the lot afterwards when 
a guy walks up with a video camera and starts shooting. He didn't ask 
whether it was OK first which I thought was a little rude, just said Hi, but 
hey, I don't mind anyone taking pictures of the car so I just carried on 
with what I was doing. He shot a lot of tape, it seemed to me, and 
I eventually noticed that the video camera seemed awfully *big*. Finally 
just as I was finishing he said "If you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm 
just shooting some footage for the news tonight... nice day, so we're 
doing a piece on what people do on a sunny Sunday." Oh... :)

Of course I tuned in. And eventually, there I was. Unfortunately, they 
seemed to be more interested in me than my car which proves something 
about how local news sometimes uses poor judgement, but there was a nice 
shot of the front end and a slow zoom onto the split headlights that 
ended up with a closeup of the "Oldsmobile" logo on the hood. :) Just 
wish I had worn my 100th Anniversary Olds cap, would have considerably 
reduced the glare from the top of my head when I was shown bending over 
drying the wheels... and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!  :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:22:21 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

 Hey all,

 I just bought a (another) 1967 Cutlass. This is a C/S hardtop and
 it has factory 4 speed behind a 330/320. It has a 12 bolt rear (I
 am hoping its posi, havent gotten the car home to check it out yet)
 Has protecto-plate with orig owners manual too !!
 I am curious about production figures for Non 442 cutlasses with
 4 speed. ANybody have any ideas ?
 For you VIN freaks ...  338177G153818 ... tell you anything ?

 Thanks, Mike Walker

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 05:22:30 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

*THE* Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> ...as I was finishing he said "If you're wondering what I'm doing, I'm
> just shooting some footage for the news tonight... 

Cool!  See if you can get a copy from the station in VHS; send it to me; 
and I'll digitize some frames with the Snappy.

> ...which proves something about how local news sometimes uses poor 
> judgement...

Whoda thought.   :o

> Just wish I had worn my 100th Anniversary Olds cap, would have 
> considerably reduced the glare from the top of my head...

I can retouch that.  How much hair you want?

> ...and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!

Whew!  Saved having another newsworthy event:  "Our camerman get's the 
living crap beat out of him by crazed Chevelle owner.  Film at 11."

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 07:45:14 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W-31 production

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> Hi my question is I am trying to find out how many 1970 W-31 4 speeds were
> made
> I know there was 1029 W-31 biult and I have a 1970 W-31 Black on Black with
> red stripes and 4 gear I'm curious how many are out there and just how rare
> this car is

All I can find is:
F-85 club coupe		 207
Cutlass club coupe	 116
Cutlass hardtop coupe	1029

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 04:52:09 -0700
From: "Enrique Zapata" <ezapata@telnor.net>
Subject: unsuscribe oldsmobile

unsuscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 07:49:47 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: VIN Dates

> Both of my '72 Vista Cruisers have dates stamped on the blue VIN tag inside
> the door.  My daily driver is dated 9-71 & my parts V-C is dated 6-72.
> Both ends of the production run, ehh?
> 
> Are these accurate build dates for these cars?  Naturally my '66 Toro & '67
> Delta don't share these tags.
> 
> Where else will I find the closest build date (not counting the build
> sheet) on these - all 4 cars - on the cowl tag?

Yes,the build dates are within spec for your model year.  The plants
went through "Change-over" in the early part of Sept., and ended the
production run of the current model run in late August.   The
"change-over" lasted about 2 weeks (90% of the time the last week of
August/first week of Sept.).  This allowed for line upgrades and to
stock new parts for the upcoming model year.

My dad worked for C*rvette for 30 years, and told me back in the 50's,
60's and 70's, all GM plants picked the same time frame to do
"change-over".  It was like clockwork for years.

The "scheduled" build date was just that, scheduled.  While most of the
time the cars were built on that day, sometimes they would get
side-tracked or something goes awry, and the car is actually built
earlier or later than the day it was scheduled.  (There is a person for
assigning assembly schedules specifically dedicated to this task.)

Probably accurate is the build sheet and "blue door sticker", but also
look at the cowl tag scheduled build week code.  This would also give
you an idea of "around" the date the car was built.  The cowl tag was
supplied with the body from Fischer.  The blue sticker on the door was
applied AFTER the car was built, so it is probably one of the most
accurate pieces of info as far as build months are concerned.

Hope this helps.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 06:53:59 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Message not deliverable

Administrator wrote:
> 
> Yesterday was yet another gorgeous day here (we know we're gonna pay for
> it later on!)

	<snip>

... and no, they didn't say "Nice Chevelle"!  :)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        

Greg,

W/yesterday such a gorgeous day, yoiu are in for a shock.  Have you seen
all of the undeliverable messages today?  I feel for you.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

BTW.  I'm proud that you have achieved some TV fame.  Nice Chevelle!

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 08:28:50 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD? [was: 72 Cutlass S for sale (maybe)]

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> It was the name given to the 1968 W-31 option, with the OAI system. It is
> both rare and desireable. Buy it. Beware, though, of people referring to a
> generic 350 as a "Ram Rod" to impress potential buyers, or even putting
> little reproduction "Ram Rod" stickers on the front fenders to perpetuate
> the illusion.
> 
> But please, before we go any further, look down at your keyboard, to the
> left of your "A" key, at the "Caps Lock" key. Press it, and make sure that
> the little light on your keyboard under the "Caps Lock" label is off. Is it
> off? Good. OK, now you can type your reply.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Was this called a W-31 or W-32? I have seen a RamRod 350 in town here.
The guy says it's for sale. I had no clue what was so special about it,
but all I knew was that I had never seen a car like it.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:48:01 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rear end help

Matt, your diff will have 2.73 gear ratio. Olds switched to a corporate
8.5" 10-bolt rear diff from I think '71. They used until '77-'78. My '72
came with that same rear diff and I would by pretty sure yours did too.
If you want to check for yourself open the rear diff cover and look at
the spine gear, It will have numbers stamped on it. The ratio is
something like 28:11, the numbers are off but you get the idea.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Matt Cremean[SMTP:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
> Sent: 	Sunday, July 06, 1997 4:33 PM
> To: 	Oldsmobile List
> Subject: 	Rear end help
> 
> Hello Oldsmobilers,
> 
> 	Would anyone happen to know the specs on a 73 Cutlass rear end
> assembly? It's a 10-bolt if that helps. Like is it an 8.5" 28 tooth
> spline? What are the ring+pinion combinations (3.08)? ANY info would
> be
> helpful. Either that or please tell me where or how (taking it apart)
> I
> can find this stuff out. Thanx. =)
> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************
> 

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:53:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: Message not deliverable

Yikes! Didn't know they were looping back to the list, thought it was 
just to me. Thanks for the tip, Bill. 

It's David Brown's account, he's been temporarily removed until his mail 
admins figure out what they've screwed up and can get it fixed. Sorry for 
the inconvenience.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 09:11:22 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds Centennial Club Show - 7/13 (Maryland)

THIS SUNDAY JULY 13, 1997

Oldsmobile Centennial Club 1st Annual Show 
- ------------------------------------------
At Ernie Swanson Oldsmobile, 410 North Crain Highway, Glen Burnie, MD.  
Registration starts @ 10am, show from 11am-3pm. All Oldsmobiles Welcome. 
Anything from daily drivers, weekend cruisers, race cars and show trailer 
queens. $5 registration includes dash plaque and goodie bag to first 50 
Oldsmobiles through the gate. Please pre-reg by July 9.  Non-judging show, 
but there will be special awards given for dealer's & people's choice.  
50/50 drawing and door prizes. Door prize contributors so far include: K&N 
Engineering, Year One, Auto Custom Carpets, Apple Hydraulics, Valvoline, 
Pennzoil, Performance Suspension Technology and more.  
YOU CAN REGISTER AT THE GATE THE DAY OF THE SHOW!!!
Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 965-3825, e-mail: brad442@erols.com.
Web site: www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html 
(Registration form available at the web site.  Just print it and send it 
in).

==========================================================================  
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov  (H) brad442@erols.com 
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html 
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:40:43 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Bad Weekend

My poor Vista Cruiser had a bad weekend - while battling the holiday
weekend crowds with twins in tow at Home Depot (I suspect as their parking
lot sucks), someone managed to back into my perfect back bumper and leave
enough of a dimple to glare up at me everytime I look at it.  Then the
lovely neighbor children (too small to scream at yet) ran something down
the front fender and left 2-4 inch scratchs and a mysterious black mark
underneath that.  Got most of the scratchs out by waxing my arm senseless,
and the black mark came off with 400 foot pounds of scrubbing pressure but
my beautiful back bumper is fix-less!  I do have a spare but, its those
little flaws that bug the most!

Great - the guy who's trying to put a station wagon coffee table book
together is due down at any time to photograph it.  Now I'll be neurotic
about it.  Also had some mysterious red dots on it (and its breaking out
too!!!!!) that I suspect is from the stinking telephone poles at work I
always park under (birds sweating on it & it drips - I dont know!) that
took the same 400 ft. lbs. of weak arm muscle to remove.

Sigh.  Aint holidays grand?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 21:41:48 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Race

Don't recall if I forwarded this to the list before - if not, see if
someone can come up with the numbers for this guy:

My neighbor Jim has a 1970 F-85 W31 and wanted to know 
	how many were made that year. Any help would be appreciated.

						Thank You,
						Mike Wilhelm
						ferris@execpc,com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:36:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Car show weekend

Hi All,

We took our car to a show in Newton KS on Friday.  Newton's about 20 miles
from home for us.   Anyway it was a beautiful day, only got to about 75-80
degress all day. Lot's of really nice cars/trucks.  I could hardly believe it
when I walked around the show.  There was only one other Oldsmobile entered
in the show.  Lots of 55-57 Chevys, Camaros, Mustangs, 2-3 GTOs, even 3-4
Buicks.  The other Olds was what will be a really cool ride.  It's was a 54
Olds Super 88.  What a cool looking car!  It was still in several different
colors, including primer and rust.  But with a little imagination.... wow!! 

To top off the day, we were awarded a Class Winner plaque!!!  I was really
surprised.  I've never really thought we would win anything because most
shows we've been to don't even have a class for cars as new as ours.  The
club gave out two awards for our class.  I told Audrey that there was
probably only two of us in that class.  I don't care though, I was just
tickled to win something!

Cecil
1991 W-41

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:24:52 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD? [was: 72 Cutlass S for sale  (maybe)]

At 08:28 AM 7/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Was this called a W-31 or W-32? I have seen a RamRod 350 in town here.
>The guy says it's for sale. I had no clue what was so special about it,
>but all I knew was that I had never seen a car like it.

That was the W-31, although I don't think it was really marketed as the W-31
until 1969. For 1968, though, it definitely was the "Ram Rod 350", with a
cool little logo of two pistons in a "V". Since W-31 was the option code,
though, the build sheet should reflect this, just as it would any other
option. If you can afford it, buy it. I would love to have one of these
cars, just to hear the motor rev. As I've mentioned before, these
350-equipped cars were faster than the non-W automatic-equipped 442's in '68
and '69, and would give a non-W '70 442 a run for its money.

The W-32 was always applied to big-block cars: first, the 1969 442 automatic
with the OAI and the manual-trans-cammed engine (350hp, vs. the regular
automatic motor's 325hp), and then in 1970, it designated the 365hp 442
engine option (with bigger valves and cam) in the Cutlass Supreme SX, as
opposed to the regular engine, a 365hp 455 from the big cars, with small
valves and cam. The SX W-32 equipped cars didn't have any decals designating
it as a "W-32", though the earlier 442's had the W-32 stickers in the same
size and location that the W-30 cars had them.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:54:21 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: Message not deliverable

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Yikes! Didn't know they were looping back to the list, thought it was
> just to me. Thanks for the tip, Bill.

>Sorry for
> the inconvenience.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu      

Greg,

There is no inconvenience.  I happen to be very slow to comprehend the
written work.  If I repeatedly read a passage, I retain it much better &
comprehend too.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 09:57:12 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> My poor Vista Cruiser had a bad weekend - while battling the holiday
> weekend crowds with twins in tow at Home Depot (I suspect as their parking
> lot sucks), someone managed to back into my perfect back bumper and leave
> enough of a dimple to glare up at me everytime I look at it.
> 
> Sigh.  Aint holidays grand?
> 
> Lisa Madsen
> 
> 

Lisa,

Fame has its price.  Have the cameraman blur the shot a  little.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:10:45 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

I came across a '69 W-31 last winter. While hunting on farm land I came
a across a derelict '69 sitting outside a farm house. Got a closer look
and noticed that it was a W-31. No one was home just a mean watch dog
that didn't allow me to knock at the front door but yelling and blowing
my car horn produced no one. Took down the vin and my suspicion was
confirmed. A '69 W-31 with all the options. Had the 350 with the
12-bolt. Couldn't see the trans because the  car was way down into the
floor, and the flat tires didn't help. Interior was gutted. I also think
it had the red inner fend wells, but  I can't recall right now. Took
down the address and tried looking him up in the phone book. Got a hold
of his aunt who gave me his brothers number who in turn gave the owners
number. After talking with for a while he told me that the car was
indeed a W-31, and that he had been following the car since it was
bought in '69. A farmer around town bought it new and then sold it to
him in '82. It's been sitting since '90. He told me the car ran very
strong and he did have intentions of restoring it but his busy life
style wouldn't permit him right now. He had all the parts for the car
and more in the garage. The car did need quite a bit of restoring, but
it was indeed a W-31. I should call him back and see if he has changed
his mind. 
	What do you think a car in poor shape (body) would be worth, as
a offer? He said he had parts but I didn't see any of them. 

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Robert Barry[SMTP:rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 10:24 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD? [was: 72 Cutlass S for
> sale (maybe)]
> 
> At 08:28 AM 7/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Was this called a W-31 or W-32? I have seen a RamRod 350 in town
> here.
> >The guy says it's for sale. I had no clue what was so special about
> it,
> >but all I knew was that I had never seen a car like it.
> 
> That was the W-31, although I don't think it was really marketed as
> the W-31
> until 1969. For 1968, though, it definitely was the "Ram Rod 350",
> with a
> cool little logo of two pistons in a "V". Since W-31 was the option
> code,
> though, the build sheet should reflect this, just as it would any
> other
> option. If you can afford it, buy it. I would love to have one of
> these
> cars, just to hear the motor rev. As I've mentioned before, these
> 350-equipped cars were faster than the non-W automatic-equipped 442's
> in '68
> and '69, and would give a non-W '70 442 a run for its money.
> 
> The W-32 was always applied to big-block cars: first, the 1969 442
> automatic
> with the OAI and the manual-trans-cammed engine (350hp, vs. the
> regular
> automatic motor's 325hp), and then in 1970, it designated the 365hp
> 442
> engine option (with bigger valves and cam) in the Cutlass Supreme SX,
> as
> opposed to the regular engine, a 365hp 455 from the big cars, with
> small
> valves and cam. The SX W-32 equipped cars didn't have any decals
> designating
> it as a "W-32", though the earlier 442's had the W-32 stickers in the
> same
> size and location that the W-30 cars had them.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:24:58 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

At 11:10 AM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I came across a '69 W-31 last winter. While hunting on farm land I came
<snip>
>confirmed. A '69 W-31 with all the options. Had the 350 with the
<snip>
>style wouldn't permit him right now. He had all the parts for the car
>and more in the garage. The car did need quite a bit of restoring, but
>it was indeed a W-31. I should call him back and see if he has changed
>his mind. 
>	What do you think a car in poor shape (body) would be worth, as
>a offer? He said he had parts but I didn't see any of them. 

Assuming that everything had to be rebuilt, I'd offer him about $1000. If
the engine really did run well, had reasonable miles on it, all the other
mechanicals were solid (though sitting so long will have killed the seals
and the brakes will need a complete redoing), and it was just a matter of
standard bodywork (quarters, floors, trunk, fenders, etc), maybe
$1500-$1750. A '69 4-speed with Buckets and console and all available
options would be a real nice all-around car. Wish they were building them now...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 11:53:04 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

My best way to determine the value of a car in common Canadian condition is
to evaluate the value of the parts in Canadian prices the parts breakdown
would be as follows
the 4 speed if complete        $1200.00
the air induction                   $450-550
the posi depending on ratio   $500-900
the tach and gauges             $300
Buckets                              $75
the engine make a hard value estimate because you need to pull the heads to
make sure the large valves are there and that the piston are propper 
I have seen complete W-31 motors go for as much as $1000 
So if you take the value of the parts divide by 2 (just to be safe) and
don't consider the rest of the parts for any value the car should be worth
$1750 - $2000 which will leave you a little room to get your money back if
you decide not to keep it
And for the chance you feel my estimate is way off I only live 50 miles
from you and I'de buy it in a heart beat at $1750 so if you can get it
cheaper make your self quick profit and call me 
If not I look forward to seeing the beautiful 69 restored some day we need
to keep more of these cars on the road

For those American gagging at the prices allow for the 40% exchange on our
dollar

Robert Schinkel
70 W-31...70 Rallye 350
70 442 Conv. 70 Cutlass Conv Best ET 13.59(but now with new head maybe now
12.9)
905-357-4454
- ----------
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 11:24 AM
> 
> At 11:10 AM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I came across a '69 W-31 last winter. While hunting on farm land I came
> <snip>
> >confirmed. A '69 W-31 with all the options. Had the 350 with the
> <snip>
> >style wouldn't permit him right now. He had all the parts for the car
> >and more in the garage. The car did need quite a bit of restoring, but
> >it was indeed a W-31. I should call him back and see if he has changed
> >his mind. 
> >	What do you think a car in poor shape (body) would be worth, as
> >a offer? He said he had parts but I didn't see any of them. 
> 
> Assuming that everything had to be rebuilt, I'd offer him about $1000. If
> the engine really did run well, had reasonable miles on it, all the other
> mechanicals were solid (though sitting so long will have killed the seals
> and the brakes will need a complete redoing), and it was just a matter of
> standard bodywork (quarters, floors, trunk, fenders, etc), maybe
> $1500-$1750. A '69 4-speed with Buckets and console and all available
> options would be a real nice all-around car. Wish they were building them
now...
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 97 12:07:04 EDT
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements

I need to replace the ignition key, the doors, and trunk locks and key
on my 64 olds.  Does anyone have a source for such a set?  anyone ever
do this before?

Doug

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 12:16:03 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements

At 12:07 PM 7/7/97 EDT, you wrote:
>I need to replace the ignition key, the doors, and trunk locks and key
>on my 64 olds.  Does anyone have a source for such a set?  anyone ever
>do this before?

Fusick sells these lock sets. Of course, these are standard GM items, and
most competent locksmiths can make up a set of keys if you bring in the
cylinders. Heck, they could probably get you replacement cylinders if only a
few are worn out, and change the pins to match the good ones you have.

I've been having a lot of keys made for cars that have been sitting for a
while, to which the keys can no longer be found. I've found that WD-40 and
graphite can do wonders for getting a frozen lock to work. In any case, it's
good to lube up all the locks on a regular basis, to prevent things from
freezing up on you at the worst times.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 09:27:15 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

>My poor Vista Cruiser had a bad weekend - while battling the holiday
>weekend crowds with twins in tow at Home Depot (I suspect as their parking
>lot sucks), someone managed to back into my perfect back bumper and leave
>enough of a dimple to glare up at me everytime I look at it.  Then the

{SNIP]

>Sigh.  Aint holidays grand?
>

I thought I was the only one that this kind of thing happened to!!!

All this time, I thought that I was under a curse.

Sorry to hear about the abuse, but you made all my dents feel better!

The service bureau that scans the images should be able to take out any
"imperfections" in the shoot in a couple of minutes. The shots have to be
prepped anyway. Nothing is perfect in the printing world!



*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 10:15:43 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: further brake problems

FYI - Summit Racing Equipment now carries Speed Bleeders. I believe PepBoys
is carrying them also.

http://www.speedbleeder.com/

These replace the bleeder in your wheel caliper/piston with one that has a
special coating on the threads and a check valve built in.

The idea is that you loosen the Speed Bleeder and pump the brakes without
having to tighten the bleeder in between pumps. The coating on the threads
prevents fluid/air from geting out/in and the check valve provides a
one-way flow.

They are about $14 per pair. One of my co-workers bought them to toy with
since he has a 1/2 dozen vehicles. He was so impressed that he is putting
them on all his cars and his Honda Hawk GT. (This guy BUILT his '64 Ch*evy
Mali*bu...) This is a guy that SWEARS that gravity bleeding is the BEST way
to bleed brakes. (Maybe having too many cars is lowering his standards a
bit, although if he is putting them on the Ch*evy, which we don't know for
sure how fast it goes since the speedo only goes up to 120mph, they must do
a good job.)

I am going to put them on my cars soon...(Like all the other work I am
getting around to...:-)

I have NO affiliation with this company.


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 13:36:10 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear end help

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> 
> Matt, your diff will have 2.73 gear ratio. Olds switched to a corporate
> 8.5" 10-bolt rear diff from I think '71. They used until '77-'78. My '72
> came with that same rear diff and I would by pretty sure yours did too.
> If you want to check for yourself open the rear diff cover and look at
> the spine gear, It will have numbers stamped on it. The ratio is
> something like 28:11, the numbers are off but you get the idea.

No, I'm sure it's a 3.08. If the gear ratios are right for a TH350
(2.52, 1.52, 1.00). Then is has to be a 3.08. I have NASCAR Racing for
my PC. What they did is multiply the tranny ratios and the rear ratios
and came up with the game's gear number. I stacked my figures in there
and it came out almost exact on the RPMs when I played it. But thanx for
the info Fernando.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 13:32:50 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Speedbleeders (Was: further brake problems)

Dan Lacey wrote:
> 
> FYI - Summit Racing Equipment now carries Speed Bleeders. I believe PepBoys
> is carrying them also.

> They are about $14 per pair. One of my co-workers bought them to toy with
> since he has a 1/2 dozen vehicles. He was so impressed that he is putting
> them on all his cars and his Honda Hawk GT. 

Oh, without a doubt they are one of the neatest little inventions since
buttered popcorn!  I have them on my 71 442.  I liked 'em so well I put
them on my truck too.  I can't believe how easy they are.  I recommend a
set to anyone who does a lot of brake work.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 13:44:30 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rear end help

Where did you get those tranny gear ratio from? 

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Matt Cremean[SMTP:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 2:36 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Rear end help
> 
> Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> > 
> > Matt, your diff will have 2.73 gear ratio. Olds switched to a
> corporate
> > 8.5" 10-bolt rear diff from I think '71. They used until '77-'78. My
> '72
> > came with that same rear diff and I would by pretty sure yours did
> too.
> > If you want to check for yourself open the rear diff cover and look
> at
> > the spine gear, It will have numbers stamped on it. The ratio is
> > something like 28:11, the numbers are off but you get the idea.
> 
> No, I'm sure it's a 3.08. If the gear ratios are right for a TH350
> (2.52, 1.52, 1.00). Then is has to be a 3.08. I have NASCAR Racing for
> my PC. What they did is multiply the tranny ratios and the rear ratios
> and came up with the game's gear number. I stacked my figures in there
> and it came out almost exact on the RPMs when I played it. But thanx
> for
> the info Fernando.
> 
> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> Ev_Corp Main Admin.
> delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 12:54:39 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Heater hoses

> I think what the original poster was interested in was the rectangular
> ducting that went to the vents on the ends of the dash, which had a special
> type of mounting collar built right into it. They might be offered repro,
> but an interim (and  cheaper) solution would be to replace the middle fabric
> section with some rectangular-section air intake hose (on the same shelf at
> the Pep Boys I got my ducting from), and attach it with duct-tape (ah-ha!
> _that's_ what it was designed for...), which can be covered with some black
> electrical tape if the show judges are going to be crawling around under
> your dash and you're *really* concerned about original appearance.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

I was the one that asked the question originally, and the rectangular
hose was indeed what I was primarily interested in. Thanks to everyone
who answered.

JR

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:00:21 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

I'm almost sure now that you mentioned it that the car had an OAI hood.
So if we take the top price for each part listed, OAI 550, posi 900,,
gauges 300, seat 75 and engine assuming correct 1000 then this car would
be worth  approx. $2825 CNDN. Although this sounds practical, usually
the sum of parts exceeds the valve of the car if sold separately.
Therefore this car should be less than $2825. I don't want to get your
hopes up Robert but this car is not in Toronto, it's just outside of
London. I will probably be seeing it one day again, but the guy sounded
pretty sure he wanted to restore it, although in my opinion his is not
the type to be doing this type of work. I think this guy lives from
day-to-day hand-to-mouth, at least that's the impression I got. He's the
type that will hang on to this possible rare car in hopes of one day
washing it, but it will most likely rot to death before he gets any
where near removing a bolt. Mind you the interior was removed and what a
mess it was in there all throw about.Too bad...
	BTW, Robert where are you, 50 miles away?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Robert Schinkel[SMTP:docbob@caninet.com]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 11:53 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> 
> My best way to determine the value of a car in common Canadian
> condition is
> to evaluate the value of the parts in Canadian prices the parts
> breakdown
> would be as follows
> the 4 speed if complete        $1200.00
> the air induction                   $450-550
> the posi depending on ratio   $500-900
> the tach and gauges             $300
> Buckets                              $75
> the engine make a hard value estimate because you need to pull the
> heads to
> make sure the large valves are there and that the piston are propper 
> I have seen complete W-31 motors go for as much as $1000 
> So if you take the value of the parts divide by 2 (just to be safe)
> and
> don't consider the rest of the parts for any value the car should be
> worth
> $1750 - $2000 which will leave you a little room to get your money
> back if
> you decide not to keep it
> And for the chance you feel my estimate is way off I only live 50
> miles
> from you and I'de buy it in a heart beat at $1750 so if you can get it
> cheaper make your self quick profit and call me 
> If not I look forward to seeing the beautiful 69 restored some day we
> need
> to keep more of these cars on the road
> 
> For those American gagging at the prices allow for the 40% exchange on
> our
> dollar
> 
> Robert Schinkel
> 70 W-31...70 Rallye 350
> 70 442 Conv. 70 Cutlass Conv Best ET 13.59(but now with new head maybe
> now
> 12.9)
> 905-357-4454
> ----------
> > From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 11:24 AM
> > 
> > At 11:10 AM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> > >I came across a '69 W-31 last winter. While hunting on farm land I
> came
> > <snip>
> > >confirmed. A '69 W-31 with all the options. Had the 350 with the
> > <snip>
> > >style wouldn't permit him right now. He had all the parts for the
> car
> > >and more in the garage. The car did need quite a bit of restoring,
> but
> > >it was indeed a W-31. I should call him back and see if he has
> changed
> > >his mind. 
> > >	What do you think a car in poor shape (body) would be worth, as
> > >a offer? He said he had parts but I didn't see any of them. 
> > 
> > Assuming that everything had to be rebuilt, I'd offer him about
> $1000. If
> > the engine really did run well, had reasonable miles on it, all the
> other
> > mechanicals were solid (though sitting so long will have killed the
> seals
> > and the brakes will need a complete redoing), and it was just a
> matter of
> > standard bodywork (quarters, floors, trunk, fenders, etc), maybe
> > $1500-$1750. A '69 4-speed with Buckets and console and all
> available
> > options would be a real nice all-around car. Wish they were building
> them
> now...
> > _______________________________________________________
> > Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> > Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
> > 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:27:49 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

At 02:00 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm almost sure now that you mentioned it that the car had an OAI hood.

If it was a '69, then the OAI was through the under-the-bumper scoops, with
flexible ducting to the dual-snorkel air cleaner. A '70 OAI hood with the
scoops will bolt on if the '69 tongue is used, but if it's got scoops on the
hood, it isn't original, and if it isn't a factory hood with the metal
bracing, then it's not worth all that much (few aftermarket fiberglass hoods
match the factory hood for quality). Then you'd have to question whether the
original scoops, ducting and air cleaner are in place; if not, then that's
an additional expense to make original.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:27:50 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Cheap paint recommendations?

No, not recommendations for Maaco or anything like that...

I want to give a coat to my SX when I get it home, so that it can stand up
to a winter or two before I get around to doing the bodywork right (not it's
alum patch panels pop-riveted on, with a thin coat of filler to cover my
tracks). The current surface is pretty much a combination of faded original
yellow/gray primer overspray/surface rust brown. The qualities of the paint
that I'm looking for are:

1) Cheap
2) Easy to shoot (this will be my first painting job)
3) Can easily be painted over by another type of paint
4) Does not magnify surface irregularities

The quality of the paint job will be largely irrelevant, since the option is
a case of Krylon (though I know Charlie B. had good results with this
method...). I was thinking perhaps that a white paint would be cheapest, or
second would be a non-metallic gray to hide the body imperfections. I'd also
be painting this in a temporary spray-booth, so a quick cure-time is
essential. I used to know what type of paint was best for this sort of stuff
(back when the two choices were enamel and laquer), but between then and now
different methods and different types of paint have come up (things like
"acrylic urethane enamel laquer" make no sense to me...), so I'm pretty much
lost.

Also, how much paint am I looking at to give the car 2-3 coats? It's a '70
Cutlass Supreme.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 02:42:03 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: SX heads

Last week I decided to check all the numbers on my car for a second 
time, (bored I guess).  While examining the 455 I discovered the heads 
were SX!

MY QUESTION(S):

1.) Are SX heads worth more than the standard 455 heads?  If so, what 
are they worth?

2.) What the heck was different about the SX heads anyway?

3.) My car's numbers all match.  Was it possible to have these heads 
without having the SX emblem on the fenders?

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 02:51:55 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Tic Toc Tac help again

it's the guy with the tic-toc-tac question again.

the info you gave me to calibrate my tach was very helpful!

BUT... when I tried to calibrate it, the calibration screw on the back 
seems to be stripped.  I was expecting to turn the screw very little to 
adjust the tach reading but it seems to do nothing.  It's reads about 
1600 higher than "normal". 

What's the next step?  My 71 manual shows how to take it apart but 
doesn't give detail about that adjustment screw. Do you think I should 
try a home fix?

RC Hellebuyck
71 442 covt.

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 02:58:02 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: SX heads

On Mon, 07 Jul 1997, mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>Last week I decided to check all the numbers on my car for a second 
>time, (bored I guess).  While examining the 455 I discovered the heads 
>were SX!
>
>MY QUESTION(S):
>
>1.) Are SX heads worth more than the standard 455 heads?  If so, what 
>are they worth?
>
>2.) What the heck was different about the SX heads anyway?
>
>3.) My car's numbers all match.  Was it possible to have these heads 
>without having the SX emblem on the fenders?
>
forgot to add I own a 1971 442

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:02:12 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: SX heads

At 02:58 AM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Last week I decided to check all the numbers on my car for a second 
>>time, (bored I guess).  While examining the 455 I discovered the heads 
>>were SX!

I'm not quite sure what you mean by your "heads were SX". Do you mean that
there is an "SX" cast into the heads in some place? A regular '71 455 should
have heads with a "G" cast into the lower-left corner; the W-30 engine had
"H" heads. Anything else would be non-stock or factory replacement.

>>1.) Are SX heads worth more than the standard 455 heads?  If so, what 
>>are they worth?

If you are talking about the heads that were installed on the 455's put into
the Cutlass Supremes, then they _would_ be the standard "G" heads. In 1970,
the W-32 SX cars got the 2.07" intake valves, but other than that, the heads
would be identical to those installed on a Delta 88 2-bbl motor. Nothing
special; perhaps $50-$100 for the pair in rebuildable condition, maybe
$100-$150 with a new or fresh valve job.

>>2.) What the heck was different about the SX heads anyway?

Nothing.

>>3.) My car's numbers all match.  Was it possible to have these heads 
>>without having the SX emblem on the fenders?
>>
>forgot to add I own a 1971 442

A 442 would never have the SX option. The SX was an option on the
Notchback-style Supreme body, whereas your 442 was a fastback. On the other
hand, if you have a convertible, then the only thing to distinguish an SX
from a 442 is the trim and the body/VIN style number (42 and 44,
respectively), though I believe that the 442's still got a better cam and
bigger valves in '71.

I'd still like to know what you mean by "SX" heads.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:09:46 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

No, not recommendations for Maaco or anything like that...


*Believe it or not, Maaco has the capability to do the quality paint you're
looking for
at a reasonable price. I wouldn't count out that option until you've talked
with them.

Just my $.02!

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:22:15 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

At 02:09 PM 7/7/97 -0500, you wrote:
>No, not recommendations for Maaco or anything like that...
>
>*Believe it or not, Maaco has the capability to do the quality paint you're
>looking for
>at a reasonable price. I wouldn't count out that option until you've talked
>with them.

Right, but for the cost of a couple quarts of paint and a cheap spray gun, I
can do it myself, and then grumble to myself about the runs, drips,
fisheyes, etc., and learn enough to know what *not* to do when I want to do
a good job. Besides, Maaco would probably want to charge me more than the
$150 or so I'd like to put into this thing, and all I'd get for that
investment is another Maaco story (whether it'd be a good or bad story, I
don't know).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 14:36:06 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

No, not recommendations for Maaco or anything like that...
>
>*Believe it or not, Maaco has the capability to do the quality paint
you're
>looking for
>at a reasonable price. I wouldn't count out that option until you've
talked
>with them.
Right, but for the cost of a couple quarts of paint and a cheap spray gun,
I
can do it myself, and then grumble to myself about the runs, drips,
fisheyes, etc., and learn enough to know what *not* to do when I want to do
a good job. Besides, Maaco would probably want to charge me more than the
$150 or so I'd like to put into this thing, and all I'd get for that
investment is another Maaco story (whether it'd be a good or bad story, I
don't know).


***Good point. Besides, the experience has to count for something. Good
luck!!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 15:23:59 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re[2]: Lansing where are you?

Here's a couple more:

Brown, David        Best Western-Midway  8/19-24  77 Delta 88
Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway  8/19-24  none


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 8 1997        Volume 01 : Number 738a



Re: 70 SX W-32 For Sale
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Still Snakebit... ;-)
'64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Re: Rear end help
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Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Re: TPS - 86 442 stalling
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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:20:49 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: 70 SX W-32 For Sale

(w/flowmasters), Car is very correct.

Wow, Those flow masters were a very rare option in 70'. <Grin> 
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:26:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

This is a tough one. I can understand why you might want to protect 
what's there if it is going to sit outside for a winter or two, but I 
wonder about the downside. For example, unless you do a very good job of 
masking, you're going to get overspray on trim, emblems, weatherstrip, 
etc. Unless you're planning on replacing it all anyway, once you *do* get 
the good job done eventually you're going to see that overspray and hate 
it. 

Also, you ask about something that is easy to paint over when the time 
comes. Given the description of the car right now, are you going to do 
the kind of surface prep now that a good job later would deserve? 
Otherwise I would think that you should count on removing every bit of 
the cheapie stuff before the "good" job goes on the car.

I'm not saying you shouldn't do it -- I haven't seen the car and I'm sure 
there are good reasons why you think this is a good idea. But I wouldn't 
want to see you do a lot of work now only to have to redo it all and more 
in a couple of years. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 15:48:02 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

> *Believe it or not, Maaco has the capability to do the quality paint you're
> looking for
> at a reasonable price. I wouldn't count out that option until you've talked
> with them.
> 
> Just my $.02!

Yup, thats right.  I had a car painted at Maaco a few years back and it
was a wonderful experience.  REAL polite guys from a local work-release
program painted my car for me, it was there top of the line paint job
too.  Thats what I reccomend if your looking for paint that will last no
more than a year before falling off.  They are pretty artistic too, they
left these cool fish-eyes in my hood it really added flare.  they were
complete gentlemen when I asked them to fix it too.
If your not picking up my sarcasm, go ahead and go to Maaco.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:55:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Still Snakebit... ;-)

By now all of you will have probably been sick of my stories about trying 
to buy a good cheap used car around here. Well, here's another instalment...

On Saturday I called on an ad for an '84 Delta, 57K miles. The minute the 
person answered the phone I knew who it was. The same old (80+) year-old 
gent who had the world's dirtiest Custom Cruiser wagon for sale back in 
the first week of June. It was the same car, only the price was now 
reduced from $3K to $2.5K. He didn't remember me, but I remembered the 
car. It actually drove fine and was almost totally rust free, but the 
paint was gone, the right side had a large scrape, some trim was held on 
with duct tape, and both bumpers were well-dinged. One very tired-looking 
car, and inside was filthy, though nothing a good day's work wouldn't 
fix. I politely chatted with him for a few minutes and said goodbye.

Later on in the day I thought I had better reconfirm my memory, so I went
and looked at the car. In the interim, it had lost a hubcap somewhere
(stolen, I found out), seemed to have picked up another scrape, still
hadn't been washed, and it looked even rattier than it had before. I had
seen a nice '88 vintage car like this advertised by a dealer for $3600,
and an '86 advertised privately for $2300. Thinking objectively, this one
had to be worth less than that -- I figured $1500 in this market.  Since
he had been unsuccessful for over a month, and since it must be a pain
keeping something like this around his apartment building, I decided to
make him an offer. I figured I could use something like this for a year or
two, especially if I get into a house soon, then if nothing else trade it
when they have one of those "push, pull, or drag" sales where they will
give you $2K for anything you trade in. 

Called last night a couple of times, no answer, but got him this morning. 
Introduced myself, chatted for a moment, then very politely asked "Would
you consider taking $1500 for the Olds?" Well, I may as well have asked
him if his mother still wore army boots. What I got in return was a rant: 
about how the car was off the road for 2 years (OK, even though I don't
see that as a big selling point), about how he just spent $700 on an
exhaust system (so much for the "bumper to bumper mechanical check" he
showed me the first time I looked at the car that said it was A-1...
hmmmm), about how the car was so safe (geez, never really thought it
wasn't, but now...) and that, no sir, he wouldn't take any less than $2500
for it. Well, fine, I replied politely, even though it is 13 years old,
good luck, and say, why don't I give you *my* phone number in case you
don't sell it, and you can call me so we can talk some more? The reply:
"NO!!!!" <click> <bzzzzzzzz>.  Hung up in my ear.

Man, I sure know how to pick 'em...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:01:17 -0400
From: Curt Salada <csalada@astea.com>
Subject: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes

I think this message didn't make it the first time, so I'm resending.
Sorry if this is a rerun!
...
Revisiting an earlier thread, I looked at the optional equipment sheets,
etc., reproduced in Sullivan's 4-4-2 restoration guide to find the
following option codes for 4-4-2 before it became an actual model:

1964:	B-09
1965:	"The 1965 model carried the little-known W-29 nomenclature."
(Sullivan)
1966:	w/4bbl carb L-78
	w/3x2bbl L-69
1967:	L-78

I haven't found any evidence for Sullivan's claim that W-29 was the
option code in 1965.  The Olds literature reproduced in his book simply
lists the option as "4-4-2", along with all the other options like "U35"
(clock), "P01" (14" wheel discs), etc.  Aside from the possible
exception of W-29 in 1965, "W" options didn't appear at all until 1968.
"L" options typically specified a particular engine, but L-78 and L-69
also included all of the 4-4-2 equipment, such as chassis, badges, etc.

Curt Salada
1971 Cutlass for sale -- see it at
http://scils.rutgers.edu/~djcohen/curt/olds

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 15:54:19 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

*Believe it or not, Maaco has the capability to do the quality paint you're
> looking for
> at a reasonable price. I wouldn't count out that option until you've
talked
> with them.
>
> Just my $.02!
Yup, thats right.  I had a car painted at Maaco a few years back and it
was a wonderful experience.  REAL polite guys from a local work-release
program painted my car for me, it was there top of the line paint job
too.  Thats what I reccomend if your looking for paint that will last no
more than a year before falling off.  They are pretty artistic too, they
left these cool fish-eyes in my hood it really added flare.  they were
complete gentlemen when I asked them to fix it too.
If your not picking up my sarcasm, go ahead and go to Maaco.
- --


***I was only trying to be helpful. Feel free to keep your sarcasm to
yourself. Eh?

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 17:00:09 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear end help

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> 
> Where did you get those tranny gear ratio from?

Aren't those the tranny ratios? I have a program and that's what it says
they are. Plus, when I poked it in on NASCAR, it ran exactly like my car
does. ???????I don't know????? Are those wrong or something?

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 15:57:22 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Iola, WI this weekend

Anyone headed to the Iola, WI show/swap meet this weekend? Oldsmobile's 
centennial is being featured.

Why do I ask? Just a warning that I will be there! Looking forward to 
meeting anyone attending. I'll be staying in Stevens Point. Most likely 
driving the '77 Delta 88.


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:04:09 -0300
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 02:00 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I'm almost sure now that you mentioned it that the car had an OAI hood.
> 
> If it was a '69, then the OAI was through the under-the-bumper scoops, with

Speaking of OAI hoods, they made them in '73 right? I'd like to find one
for my Cutlass! That'd look cool! Or would there have to be some MAJOR
fab work done?

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:10:19 -0500
From: Jeff Ferraro <jtf4227@unix.tamu.edu>
Subject: Re: TPS - 86 442 stalling

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> Does the car exhibit the symptoms when it's cold?  If it's the TPS then
> it should still run okay for the first few minutes until the car warms
> up and goes into closed loop.
> 
> The TPS is actually *in* the carburetor, you have to take it apart to
> get to it to replace it.  Adjustment can be done without taking the car
> apart.  Check the olds archives for details.  I used to have the
> instructions typed up around here somewhere, but I think I lost them
> when I changed e-mail addresses and programs a while back.
> 
> Tom Lentz
> tlentz@ior.com
 
thanks for the reply, yes it still misbehaves when cold. unfortunately I
have to leave the list. Perhaps it could be the accelerator pump as
mentioned by someone else...
If you have any other ideas you can still reply to me here. thanks again

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:16:10 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

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>I came across a '69 W-31 last winter. While hunting on farm land I came
>a across a derelict '69 sitting outside a farm house. Got a closer look

Hey, it's good to hear about another Ontario Oldsmobiler who hunts to boot! 
I am originally from  the London area. If you are heading to the London Show 
on Sunday, let me know  or even if you're not, its always good to hear some 
local info on cars and parts. You can Email me direct at kerrb@basf-corp.com 


Brian Kerr
'69 Cutlass Convertible (powered by '71 442 455)
Currently undergoing restoration

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 17:18:52 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Still Snakebit... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> good luck, and say, why don't I give you *my* phone number in case you
> don't sell it, and you can call me so we can talk some more? The reply:
> "NO!!!!" <click> <bzzzzzzzz>.  Hung up in my ear.
> 
> Man, I sure know how to pick 'em...

Don't worry about it, Greg. I've generally found that people like that
are like kicking a dead horse; don't matter how much you kick it, it
still ain't movin'. 'Sides, his car sucked anyhow. =)

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From: img@llv.com
Subject: Home-based Business Opportunity

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:10:56 -0500
From: "Moore, Spencer T." <stmoore@nppd.com>
Subject: RE: Home-based Business Opportunity

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 18:15:16 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Rear end help

So those are computed numbers? I don't think you should rely too much on
them. You should look at published gear ratios for your car. If you
don't have a chassis manual for you car you really should consider
getting one. It will open up a world of your car that you didn't even
think existed. I might have some specs for your year at home. I will
check for you.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Matt Cremean[SMTP:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 6:00 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Rear end help
> 
> Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> > 
> > Where did you get those tranny gear ratio from?
> 
> Aren't those the tranny ratios? I have a program and that's what it
> says
> they are. Plus, when I poked it in on NASCAR, it ran exactly like my
> car
> does. ???????I don't know????? Are those wrong or something?
> 
> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> Ev_Corp Main Admin.
> delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************
> 

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 17:16:24 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Remove

At 03:31 PM 7/7/97 EST, you wrote:
>"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
>
>The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the 
>hip boots to wade through the mire.
>
>If you've investigated 'business opportunities' on the 
>Internet, you've possibly been dismayed to find an 
>abundance of 'network' (multi-level) propositions 
>for Vitamins, Cosmetics, Music CDs, Gas and 
>Telephone Cards, etc.  
>
>If, like myself, you don't find a great deal of appeal 
>in these multi-level programs, you've searched - to 
>a great extent in vain - for more genuine, reputable, 
>business opportunities that are suitable for your 
>pursuance as a home-based, computer-driven business.
>
>Over the past year, I've personally invested over 
>$50,000 in the research and development of what 
>I consider to be the most viable and realistic Internet
>Business Opportunities. 
>
>My name is Jack Shearin and I'm the Founder of
>Internet Marketing Group International.
>
>I'd like to extend my personal invitation to you to
>visit our Web Site at http://www.imgi.com to
>check out what is perhaps one of the most exciting
>Home-Based Business Opportunities in 'Cyberia'.
>
>Thank you for taking the time to read this message.
>Please excuse the intrusion and if you wish to be
>removed from future mailings, please reply and
>type 'REMOVE' in the subject line.
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:48:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

Recently we got hit with a spamball from some multilevel marketing 
get-rich-quick scheme. That's bad enough, but some folks replied to the 
"reply to remove" business with a reply that went to the list. Please 
don't do that. It just perpetuates the spam, causes unnnecessary list 
traffic, and probably doesn't get you off the spammer's list anyway.

Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list? 
That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but 
have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any 
input greatly appreciated.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 19:01:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: IBDEA@aol.com
Subject: Exhaust manifold swap?

Hi All
      Sorry if this question has already been answered. Are big block and
small block exhaust manifolds interchangeable?

Bob Peters
67 442
67 Cutlass
72 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 17:02:35 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Remove

Paul Brillhart wrote:
> 
> At 03:31 PM 7/7/97 EST, you wrote:
> >"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
> >
> >The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the
> >hip boots to wade through the mire.
> >
> >If you've investigated 'business opportunities' on the
> >Internet, you've possibly been dismayed to find an
> >abundance of 'network' (multi-level) propositions
> >for Vitamins, Cosmetics, Music CDs, Gas and
> >Telephone Cards, etc.
> >
> >If, like myself, you don't find a great deal of appeal
> >in these multi-level programs, you've searched - to
> >a great extent in vain - for more genuine, reputable,
> >business opportunities that are suitable for your
> >pursuance as a home-based, computer-driven business.
> >
> >Over the past year, I've personally invested over
> >$50,000 in the research and development of what
> >I consider to be the most viable and realistic Internet
> >Business Opportunities.
> >
> >My name is Jack Shearin and I'm the Founder of
> >Internet Marketing Group International.
> >
> >I'd like to extend my personal invitation to you to
> >visit our Web Site at http://www.imgi.com to
> >check out what is perhaps one of the most exciting
> >Home-Based Business Opportunities in 'Cyberia'.
> >
> >Thank you for taking the time to read this message.
> >Please excuse the intrusion and if you wish to be
> >removed from future mailings, please reply and
> >type 'REMOVE' in the subject line.
> >

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 16:37:46 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: remove

img@llv.com wrote:
> 
> "Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
> 
> The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the
> hip boots to wade through the mire.
> 
> If youve investigated business opportunities on the
> Internet, youve possibly been dismayed to find an
> abundance of network (multi-level) propositions
> for Vitamins, Cosmetics, Music CDs, Gas and
> Telephone Cards, etc.
> 
> If, like myself, you dont find a great deal of appeal
> in these multi-level programs, youve searched - to
> a great extent in vain - for more genuine, reputable,
> business opportunities that are suitable for your
> pursuance as a home-based, computer-driven business.
> 
> Over the past year, Ive personally invested over
> $50,000 in the research and development of what
> I consider to be the most viable and realistic Internet
> Business Opportunities.
> 
> My name is Jack Shearin and Im the Founder of
> Internet Marketing Group International.
> 
> Id like to extend my personal invitation to you to
> visit our Web Site at http://www.imgi.com to
> check out what is perhaps one of the most exciting
> Home-Based Business Opportunities in Cyberia.
> 
> Thank you for taking the time to read this message.
> Please excuse the intrusion and if you wish to be
> removed from future mailings, please reply and
> type REMOVE in the subject line.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:03:07 -0700
From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity

>"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
>
>The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the 
>hip boots to wade through the mire.
>
Could someone please post the details of mailbombing this, and other,
miserable spammer??

Not that I or anyone on this list would actually use such knowledge to hurt
someones livelihood, but it would be good to have as reference information
only  :-)

TIA

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 16:21:12 -0700
From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

>Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list? 
>That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but 
>have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any 
>input greatly appreciated.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
Greg,

        A closed list sounds like a great idea.  Why would someone who is
not a member of the list have a need to post to it??  You have my vote.

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 17:22:37 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity

Erik Nowacki wrote:
> 
> >"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
> >
> >The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the
> >hip boots to wade through the mire.
> >
> Could someone please post the details of mailbombing this, and other,
> miserable spammer??
> 
> Not that I or anyone on this list would actually use such knowledge to hurt
> someones livelihood, but it would be good to have as reference information
> only  :-)
> 
> TIA
> 
> Erik Nowacki
> 1972 Vista Cruiser
Would somebody quit sending me this stupid get rich fast shit!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:08:10 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

> >Sigh.  Aint holidays grand?

Oh, yes, I think so.  I think they're great!  Of course, you are
referring to Olds Holidays, right?  I'm partial to the coupes, myself.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:13:05 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Recently we got hit with a spamball from some multilevel marketing
> get-rich-quick scheme. That's bad enough, but some folks replied to the
> "reply to remove" business with a reply that went to the list. Please
> don't do that. It just perpetuates the spam, causes unnnecessary list
> traffic, and probably doesn't get you off the spammer's list anyway.
> 
> Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list?
> That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but
> have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any
> input greatly appreciated.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada



I'm with you...junk mail sucks.  It would be great if the list could be
a closed one, but is it possible?  I'm still fairly new to the computer
world, so I have to ask this question--why are they called "spammers"?


S. Dave Ward  (Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 18:19:52 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

Dave Ward wrote:
> 
> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> >
> > Recently we got hit with a spamball from some multilevel marketing
> > get-rich-quick scheme. That's bad enough, but some folks replied to the
> > "reply to remove" business with a reply that went to the list. Please
> > don't do that. It just perpetuates the spam, causes unnnecessary list
> > traffic, and probably doesn't get you off the spammer's list anyway.
> >
> > Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list?
> > That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but
> > have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any
> > input greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> I'm with you...junk mail sucks.  It would be great if the list could be
> a closed one, but is it possible?  I'm still fairly new to the computer
> world, so I have to ask this question--why are they called "spammers"?
> 
> S. Dave Ward  (Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)
> 
> 1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
> 1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)
It beats the shit out of me!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:01:30 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)

Do any of the Virginia s*bscribers (don't know if 's*bscribers' would trip
up the Martian...'er Majordomo) know about a new law taking place the 15th
of July, or sometime around there, that mandates that whenever the
windshield wipers are used, the headlights are supposed to be on?

I guess, they figure if there is enough precipitation for folks to use
their wipers, they ought to flip the lights on.

Can anybody out there in cyberspace confirm this new law as...an actual
law?

Thanks.

P.S. Speaking of cyberspace and space in general, isn't the technology that
sent that rover to Mars incredible?  I still think it'd be great if the
video showed some Martian strolling up to the landing site, snatching up
the Mars rover and walking away, only to turn around to the camera to stick
it's tongue out...:-)

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA #028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:40:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

In a message dated 97-07-07 19:22:34 EDT, you write:

<< > Just my $.02!
 Yup, thats right.  I had a car painted at Maaco a few years back and it
 was a wonderful experience.  REAL polite guys from a local work-release
 program painted my car for me, it was there top of the line paint job
 too.  Thats what I reccomend if your looking for paint that will last no
 more than a year before falling off.  They are pretty artistic too, they
 left these cool fish-eyes in my hood it really added flare.  they were
 complete gentlemen when I asked them to fix it too.
 If your not picking up my sarcasm, go ahead and go to Maaco.
 --
 
 
 ***I was only trying to be helpful. Feel free to keep your sarcasm to
 yourself. Eh?
  >>
I THINK HE HAS A RIGHT TO HIS OPINION

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:40:17 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)

Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> Do any of the Virginia s*bscribers (don't know if 's*bscribers' would trip
> up the Martian...'er Majordomo) know about a new law taking place the 15th
> of July, or sometime around there, that mandates that whenever the
> windshield wipers are used, the headlights are supposed to be on?
> 
> I guess, they figure if there is enough precipitation for folks to use
> their wipers, they ought to flip the lights on.
> 
> Can anybody out there in cyberspace confirm this new law as...an actual
> law?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> P.S. Speaking of cyberspace and space in general, isn't the technology that
> sent that rover to Mars incredible?  I still think it'd be great if the
> video showed some Martian strolling up to the landing site, snatching up
> the Mars rover and walking away, only to turn around to the camera to stick
> it's tongue out...:-)
> 
> +------------------------------------------------+
> 
>  Jason Adcock
>  OCA #028044
>  adcockjk@erols.com
> 
>  1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
>  75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
>  http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
>  Also viewable through http://www.442.com
> 
> +------------------------------------------------+I live in Virginia and I was under the impression that police could 
always ticket someone for not having their lights on while the wipers 
are going. (which is a good idea anyways...I'd hate to lose my '71 
cutlass because some moron didn't see it).

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:39:31 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 02:18 AM 7/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I've got a 1978 Olds Delta 88 with a 350 4bbl, and it's stock top to
> >bottom.  I'd like to replace the factory single exhaust with a pair of
> >duals, but duals weren't offered on this model.  The closest alternative
> >(so I'm told) would be from a '76--would these fit?
> 
> No, the closest alternative would be an LT-1 powered Cadillac, Roadmaster or
> Impala from the '94-'96 era. Same chassis as yours, and true dual exhausts
> in stainless steel, though the headpipes would have to be bent up custom. An
> older full-size (pre-'75) GM car should be able to supply a dual-hump
> crossmember that can be modified to work in your car. Berejik Olds in
> Needham, Massachusetts supposedly has the factory exhaust caps for the
> right-hand manifold in stock. Though dual-exhausts were not offered on your
> car, the stock muffler hanger setup can be used on the left side, and the
> frame even has a hole drilled for it.
> 
> Why would I know all this? Because I am putting a true dual-exhaust system
> on my '78 Electra with its Olds 403, and I've been lining up the pieces to
> work this out. There is even the possibility that a '78-'85 307/350-powered
> Toronado right-hand manifold would work; it has a single outlet, but the
> angle is back at about 45', whereas the stock manifold dumps straight down.
> I just have to find one to mock up, and see if it will hit the firewall.
> 
> I haven't had the time to get too far with this, though, so it may not
> happen right away.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


The advice came in handy--thanks!  If I were to knock on the door of my
local GM dealership, and ask for a pair of exhausts from the catalytic
back, they'd likely screw me out of six or seven hundred bucks.  You
said that a '78-'85 Toro manifold (RHS) would work;  would it have to be
modified at all?  Would I still need a different cross-member?  

If the Toro manifold would work without mods, could I just buy a pair of
performance headers (for a Toro) and a dual-hump cross-member?  I
imagine the laws are the same in the U.S. as in Canada regarding
emissions;  would I have to run two catalytics?

S. Dave Ward  (Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

"You could set my Olds on fire, or beat it 'til it's dead, but I still
wouldn't trade it for an IROC-Z!"

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:41:23 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

Eric Aksomitis wrote:

> I just finished putting dual exhaust on my '75 Olds cutlass, with '75 98
> 455 motor.  The manifolds were the standard cross-over-into manifolds
> that yours should have, and I used them no problem.  I simply took the
> crossover pipe, cut it to be about 6 inches long, bent it shut and welded
> it completely sealed, put it back on te passenger side manifold, then got
> factory exhaust for the passenger side, and a custom-built pipe for the
> other side.  I have seen this done lots before with good results, but the
> tranny cross-member will probably have to be notched for clearance.  At
> Minute Muffler (do you have those?) It cost me $340 for brand new 2 1/4
> inch dual exhaust, some kind of medium-performace mufflers, and new
> crossmemebr (they actually found me a true dual-exhaust cross-member!)
> 
> Any more questions, ask......
> 
> > '78 Delta 88 (soon to be restored)
> Had one of those, first car I ever payed > $500 for, got stolen in one
> month, just recently been found upside down on local reserve
> 
> > '85 Delta 88 (useless as an import...)
> Too small, never owned one, mileage is for wimps!
> 
> ...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
> Eric Aksomitis:
> Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
> Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
> http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
> Last update: 970504
> ..............................................................


Thanks for the advice!  I already looked into a pair of performance
headers, but nobody makes them.  They would be the easiest in all
aspects, including the $$$.  The 350 is whisper-quiet right now, and I'd
like a little more sound from it.  I just might throw on a "cherry
bomb", and save myself the hassle.  If it can't give me the sound I
want, I'll go to duals.  Would I have to run two catalytics, then?

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:37:50 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold swap?

I don't think so.  I think the 307, 350 & 403 are all interchangeable
because they are small blocks.  The 400 and 425 and 455, etc. are big
blocks so their parts will interchange, but I don't think small
block-to-big block.  I don't know about the 394...it is a ~big~ block,
right?

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA #028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

- ----------
> From: IBDEA@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Exhaust manifold swap?
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:01 PM
> 
> Hi All
>       Sorry if this question has already been answered. Are big block and
> small block exhaust manifolds interchangeable?
> 
> Bob Peters
> 67 442
> 67 Cutlass
> 72 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 20:45:47 -0400
From: "Jason Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Rear end help

Check the Olds faq available at http://www.442.com, among a smattering of
other places.  There are ratios for the 350, I believe.

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA #028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rear end help
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 6:00 PM
> 
> Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
> > 
> > Where did you get those tranny gear ratio from?
> 
> Aren't those the tranny ratios? I have a program and that's what it says
> they are. Plus, when I poked it in on NASCAR, it ran exactly like my car
> does. ???????I don't know????? Are those wrong or something?
> 
> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> Ev_Corp Main Admin.
> delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoftİ Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 6 Jul 1997 00:30:05 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W30 red wells

No, the factory did not offer the red wells.  Unless the thing was screwed
up form the factory.
Mike Rothe

- ----------
> From: Al Frey <alpha1@airmail.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 72 W30 red wells
> Date: Saturday, July 05, 1997 10:50 PM
> 
> 
> i spotted a 72 442 W30 at the muscle car shop in dallas this particular
car
> had red fender wells my 72 W30 does not. could someone clue me in was the
> red fender wells an option on 72 machines or what?
> 
> Al Frey
> alpha1@airmail.net

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:33:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobilers Opposed Proliferation of Spam

OOPS for short. And also apposed to all the other nasty S words floating
around here. 

As for Spam (spam, spam, spam. Spam, spam, spam, spam, spam. Lovely spam,
beautiful spam.....)
Sorry, got carried away.

Yup, if software is available, definately close the list.

You think spam is bad? Every once in a while some other aol dude (and I mean
the actual equestrian definition, not everyday slang) creates a false screen
name and make a pretense to ask what my password is! (So Angry...)

Karl Aune

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:31:41 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold swap?

At 07:01 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>      Sorry if this question has already been answered. Are big block and
>small block exhaust manifolds interchangeable?

No, at least not on the right side. A big-block manifold will hit the oil
filter adapter (been there, couldn't do that... :(  On the left, the
manifold might hit the starter (we're talking standard A-body manifolds here).

Small-block manifolds would fit on the big-block, but there would be no
advantage to that; smaller ports, and the outlet would be in a different
position.

_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:39:55 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
<snip>
> 
> Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list?
> That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but
> have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any
> input greatly appreciated.

Do it!  I'm was surprised that it wasn't a closed list when I joined
up.  If you need help with the technical details, I can put you in touch
with a couple of majordumbo experts from other lists I subscribe to.

Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:32:52 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

> Recently we got hit with a spamball from some multilevel marketing 
> get-rich-quick scheme.
> Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list? 
> That is, one where only members can post?

Greg,

You must think carefully about this.  If it can be done to screen the
spamming, I say go for it 100%.  I hate spamming.  But, you have to ensure
that current and future Oldsmobilers, and pro-Oldsmobile people that have
no spam in their hearts are allowed easy enough access to the list.  I
don't know off-hand of any particular way or program to prevent the
spamming with a "public" list as such.

Perhaps some sort of screening can be done at your end, say, fill out an
"on-line application" so to speak, vow to worship and love all Oldsmobiles,
(OK, I just threw that in there as a joke) but first and foremost, abide by
a no-spamming rule, otherwise it's "toss-city".  

In general to everyone out there, Greg is right, don't answer the spam,
just trash it, and HOPEFULLY,  it will go away.  But to answer it is like
saying, "Send me more..."

My ideas, however weak.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:43:27 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: The H.P. of a 350...

Could anybody tell me the estimated horsepower of the Olds 350?  It's in
a '78 Delta 88, which is completely stock, and it's not much more than a
daily driver. I've looked all over for the horsepower and torque specs,
but I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

S. Dave Ward  (Peterbourough, Ontario, CANADA)

1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:47:32 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

At 05:26 PM 7/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>This is a tough one. I can understand why you might want to protect 
>what's there if it is going to sit outside for a winter or two, but I 
>wonder about the downside. For example, unless you do a very good job of 
>masking, you're going to get overspray on trim, emblems, weatherstrip, 

heh... you're assuming it _has_ trim on it... It's really in sorry shape.
I've parted out cars in better shape than this. It is, however, my first
car, so for sentimental reasons I'm trudging on ahead... I will be replacing
all the trim eventually, but for now I'd like to make it look presentable,
just in case I don't get around to finishing the body for a while (case in
point: I took it off the road for a brake-job and to fix a "few other
things" in the fall of 1984... I just finished bleeding the brakes Saturday)

>etc. Unless you're planning on replacing it all anyway, once you *do* get 
>the good job done eventually you're going to see that overspray and hate 
>it. 

I'll be keeping the bumpers, the SX emblem, and the window moldings chrome;
they'd all come off (if they aren't already) before the repaint.

>Also, you ask about something that is easy to paint over when the time 
>comes. Given the description of the car right now, are you going to do 
>the kind of surface prep now that a good job later would deserve? 

Large portions are in excellent shape (i.e. hood, front fenders, door), so
I'd only be resanding the other portions where I weld in patches; not worth
taking down to the bare metal all around, so if there's any trace of the old
paint, I don't want to cause the new paint to lift.

>I'm not saying you shouldn't do it -- I haven't seen the car and I'm sure 
>there are good reasons why you think this is a good idea. But I wouldn't 
>want to see you do a lot of work now only to have to redo it all and more 
>in a couple of years. 

Thanks for the advice; gave me pause there, but I think it's still worth it,
just to have the car one color for the first time in 20 years...  ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:47:35 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

At 08:39 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>local GM dealership, and ask for a pair of exhausts from the catalytic
>back, they'd likely screw me out of six or seven hundred bucks.  You

Walker may make a replacement system; I haven't had the time to check.

>said that a '78-'85 Toro manifold (RHS) would work;  would it have to be
                                         ^^^^^
                                         MIGHT work; I haven't confirmed
this yet, as the outlet angle is different.

>modified at all?  Would I still need a different cross-member?  

Unless you routed both pipes on the right side of the car, yes, you'd need a
dual-hump. The only advantage of the Toro manifold might be that you
wouldn't have to cap off the extra opening on the RH manifold.

>If the Toro manifold would work without mods, could I just buy a pair of
>performance headers (for a Toro) and a dual-hump cross-member?  I

There are no performance headers for a Toro. A set of headers for a Trans Am
with the 403 might work, though.

>imagine the laws are the same in the U.S. as in Canada regarding
>emissions;  would I have to run two catalytics?

That varies from state-to-state down here. Sorry, can't help you there,
though in the states that do require a catalytic converter to be present,
most will not allow two if the car originally came with one. Check your
local laws before modifying anything.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:49:23 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

At 09:43 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Could anybody tell me the estimated horsepower of the Olds 350?  It's in
>a '78 Delta 88, which is completely stock

170hp
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:51:45 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Still Snakebit... ;-)

At 05:55 PM 7/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>By now all of you will have probably been sick of my stories about trying 
>to buy a good cheap used car around here. Well, here's another instalment...

Greg, I'm not kidding when I say that we have hundreds of those cars around
here, for real cheap ($1000 is the _high_ end of the spectrum). I was
browsing the local trader paper, the Bargain News (
http://www.bargainnews.com ), and there was line after line of those types
of cars. It might be a better option to buy one of our "Southern" cars... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:00:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Where did everyone go?

What happened??   No digests since last Wednesday?  Have I been banished??
 Golly, I miss you-all.

Elephant Engine Ernie

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:01:51 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Engine buildup

Perhaps my emails are not getting through to the list...so I will try
this again.
I am starting to go through my '69 442's engine.  It is the original 400
w/ around 68,000 on it.  I just wondering if anyone has any suggestion
as to what is a practical order of things.  It is going to get a full
overhaul with some performance parts (carb, intake, headers) but not too
tricked out...if anyone has any info please mail me here and thanks in
advance!


- -- 
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
- ------------------------------------
http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
- ------------------------------------
Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:56:28 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity

In case anyone was wondering, his email address is: enowacki@titan.com
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 19:03
> 
> >"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
> >
> >The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the 
> >hip boots to wade through the mire.
> >
> Could someone please post the details of mailbombing this, and other,
> miserable spammer??
> 
> Not that I or anyone on this list would actually use such knowledge to
hurt
> someones livelihood, but it would be good to have as reference
information
> only  :-)
> 
> TIA
> 
> Erik Nowacki
> 1972 Vista Cruiser
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:17:54 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: interior vinyl for bucket seats

Would like to locate a good match of vinyl for my cars seats. Anyone know a
good starting point???

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 21:19:58 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

Greg wrote:
<snip>
>Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list? 

A lot of folks stumble across the list address when they visit 442.com.  I
don't think some people realize they have to sign up to the list to get a
reply.  I've noticed in the past year that sometimes a post will be sent by
someone "new", a few list members will respond to it, and the original
question shows up again a few days later.  This tells me they're not on the
list, and they're expecting a private reply.  This in turn causes more
traffic.  If a closed list would create less hassle for Greg, I say go
ahead.  (It's bad enough when Greg has to deal with the repeated "Get me off
this list!" demands we all see every couple of days.)  Just my $.02....

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com   

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 21:21:10 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

In case anyone was wondering, his email address is: enowacki@titan.com
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at:=20
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. j=FBlijs 19:03
>=20
> >"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
> >
> >The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the=20
> >hip boots to wade through the mire.
> >
> Could someone please post the details of mailbombing this, and other,
> miserable spammer??
>=20
> Not that I or anyone on this list would actually use such knowledge t=
o
hurt
> someones livelihood, but it would be good to have as reference
information
> only  :-)
>=20
> TIA
>=20
> Erik Nowacki
> 1972 Vista Cruiser
>=20

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 97 21:21:19 CST
From: "Administrator" <Administrator_at_MCIS-Darien@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Message not deliverable

Would like to locate a good match of vinyl for my cars seats. Anyone know a
good starting point???

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:20:45 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Recently we got hit with a spamball from some multilevel marketing
> get-rich-quick scheme. 
> 
> Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list?
> That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but
> have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any
> input greatly appreciated.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu       


Greg,

The people who will take advantage of an audience for sales or any other
scheme probably won't decrease automatically.  Everyone will get into
the act sometime in the near future.  For the sake of the list,
something needs to be done.  If it isn't, we will lose many members just
because they want to avoid this problem. 

I will support whatever you think is necessary to accomplish the privacy
that we deserve.  I don't mean to throw it all on you either.  It
probably will be your project, but I want you to know that I will help
in whatever way I can.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:03:08 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold swap?

I recently picked up a 68 442 and on the 400 was the propper "Y" manifold
and on the other sadly a number one (from a 350 or 403) so I can say for
sure that the 350 to a 400 manifolds interchange 
Don't know if they work right but they fit

Hope it helps
Robert Schinkel
1970  .... W-31...442 Conv...Rallye 350...Cutlass Supreme Convertable

- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold swap?
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 8:37 PM
> 
> I don't think so.  I think the 307, 350 & 403 are all interchangeable
> because they are small blocks.  The 400 and 425 and 455, etc. are big
> blocks so their parts will interchange, but I don't think small
> block-to-big block.  I don't know about the 394...it is a ~big~ block,
> right?
> 
> +------------------------------------------------+
> 
>  Jason Adcock
>  OCA #028044
>  adcockjk@erols.com
> 
>  1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
>  75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
>  http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
>  Also viewable through http://www.442.com
> 
> +------------------------------------------------+
> 
> ----------
> > From: IBDEA@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Exhaust manifold swap?
> > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 7:01 PM
> > 
> > Hi All
> >       Sorry if this question has already been answered. Are big block
and
> > small block exhaust manifolds interchangeable?
> > 
> > Bob Peters
> > 67 442
> > 67 Cutlass
> > 72 Cutlass

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:06:32  -0500
From: Al Frey <alpha1@airmail.net>
Subject: W 30 Aluminum intake

I am in the market for a W30 olds intake for my restoration project 71 W30
the one on the car has been greatly abused by the dreaded Holly carb
syndrome.Anyone with one for sale would be generously compensated for this
part!

Al Frey
alpha1@airmail.net

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 22:48:00 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)

I always drive with my lights on, it supposedly reduced your chances of a
collision by about 20%.  Better to be safe than sorry.
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with
Virginians)
> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 20:01
> 
> Do any of the Virginia s*bscribers (don't know if 's*bscribers' would
trip
> up the Martian...'er Majordomo) know about a new law taking place the
15th
> of July, or sometime around there, that mandates that whenever the
> windshield wipers are used, the headlights are supposed to be on?
> 
> I guess, they figure if there is enough precipitation for folks to use
> their wipers, they ought to flip the lights on.
> 
> Can anybody out there in cyberspace confirm this new law as...an actual
> law?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> P.S. Speaking of cyberspace and space in general, isn't the technology
that
> sent that rover to Mars incredible?  I still think it'd be great if the
> video showed some Martian strolling up to the landing site, snatching up
> the Mars rover and walking away, only to turn around to the camera to
stick
> it's tongue out...:-)
> 
> +------------------------------------------------+
> 
>  Jason Adcock
>  OCA #028044
>  adcockjk@erols.com
> 
>  1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
>  75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
>  http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
>  Also viewable through http://www.442.com
> 
> +------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #738a
********************************


oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 8 1997        Volume 01 : Number 739a



Re: SX heads
Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)
Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)
The Toro/Walker exhaust set-up...
Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
Re: My 5 Seconds of Fame...
Re: Exhaust manifold swap?
Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)
Re: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738
Re: Still Snakebit... ;-)
Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!
Re: What Happened to Rocket Talk?
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
70 SX W-32 For Sale
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
Re: Bad Weekend
Re: Engine buildup
Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)
Re: The Toro/Walker exhaust set-up...
oldsmobile-digest V1 #738
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
oldsmobile-digest V1 #738
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738
Early Cutlii In Dallas
Rear End Ration quesion and problem
Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307
TH200R4 or whatever the overdirve is called
Tourqe convertors and shift kits
Regarding a stereo system
UNBOUNCE: Engine Buildup

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:12:10 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: SX heads

To the best of my knowledge hmmm lets see all 1970 455 came with E casting
heads except for the W-30 which was F 
In 71 all 455's came with G heads again except for the W-30 which has H 
So my question is what do you mean by SX heads???????

Robert Schinkel
1970...W-31...442 Conv...Rallye 350...Cutlass Supreme Conv.

- ----------
> From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: SX heads
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 2:42 AM
> 
> Last week I decided to check all the numbers on my car for a second 
> time, (bored I guess).  While examining the 455 I discovered the heads 
> were SX!
> 
> MY QUESTION(S):
> 
> 1.) Are SX heads worth more than the standard 455 heads?  If so, what 
> are they worth?
> 
> 2.) What the heck was different about the SX heads anyway?
> 
> 3.) My car's numbers all match.  Was it possible to have these heads 
> without having the SX emblem on the fenders?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:31:03 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

Dave Ward wrote:
> 
> If the Toro manifold would work without mods, could I just buy a pair of
> performance headers (for a Toro) and a dual-hump cross-member?  I
> imagine the laws are the same in the U.S. as in Canada regarding
> emissions;  would I have to run two catalytics?
> 
> S. Dave Ward  (Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)
> 
Dave,

Good luck on finding Toro headers.  If you do find some, get a picture
for Sparky.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:28:28 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)

Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> 
> Can anybody out there in cyberspace confirm this new law as...an actual
> law?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> P.S. Speaking of cyberspace and space in general, isn't the technology that
> sent that rover to Mars incredible?  
> 
>  Jason Adcock


Jason,

I don't know about Virginia, but Alabama has had such a law for the last
year.  It is a fine law.  We aren't hassled by the police if we forget &
everyone is trying to comply.  If it is used in VA, it won't hurt & I do
see the vehicles a little better.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.  That Mars stuff is great.  It kinda feels like 1969 all over
again.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:12:20 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: The Toro/Walker exhaust set-up...

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 08:39 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >local GM dealership, and ask for a pair of exhausts from the catalytic
> >back, they'd likely screw me out of six or seven hundred bucks.  You
> 
> Walker may make a replacement system; I haven't had the time to check.
> 
> >said that a '78-'85 Toro manifold (RHS) would work;  would it have to be
>                                          ^^^^^
>                                          MIGHT work; I haven't confirmed
> this yet, as the outlet angle is different.
> 
> >modified at all?  Would I still need a different cross-member?
> 
> Unless you routed both pipes on the right side of the car, yes, you'd need a
> dual-hump. The only advantage of the Toro manifold might be that you
> wouldn't have to cap off the extra opening on the RH manifold.
> 
> >If the Toro manifold would work without mods, could I just buy a pair of
> >performance headers (for a Toro) and a dual-hump cross-member?  I
> 
> There are no performance headers for a Toro. A set of headers for a Trans Am
> with the 403 might work, though.
> 
> >imagine the laws are the same in the U.S. as in Canada regarding
> >emissions;  would I have to run two catalytics?
> 
> That varies from state-to-state down here. Sorry, can't help you there,
> though in the states that do require a catalytic converter to be present,
> most will not allow two if the car originally came with one. Check your
> local laws before modifying anything.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Thanks a lot for your help...you've answered a lot of my questions,
which would take me forever at the local Canadian Tire or GM dealership.
I'm still a little undecided towards planning my budget...I have the
choice of getting painted, or going to a set of dual exhausts.  This
set-up that you mentioned...the one about the Toro manifold and Walker
exhausts...do you think it could be done for under $500.00 (CDN)?  (all
I need is an opinion--exact numbers would be impossible)

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

1978 Delta 88 (350)
1985 Delta 88 (307)

"You could blow my Olds to pieces, or beat it with all your force, but I
still wouldn't trade it for a nine-eleven PORSCHE!"

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:24:11 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

You forgot to add the 4 Gear at $1200 which would make it $4025 then
diveded by 2 put you at $2012.50 
This is the method I use before I buy a car .....Unless I have a plan to
keep it for myself then I pay higher 
Oh and I'm in Niagara Falls so when you go to the Casino give me a call I
live to Show my toys and talk Olds

By the way same offer goes to anyone else If you come to Niagara Falls 
Call me 
Will that be Tea or Coffee or perhaps Sport wheels and Spoilers

Robert Schinkel
1970...W-31...442 Conv...Rallye 350...Cutlass Supreme Conv





- ----------
> From: Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 2:00 PM
> 
> I'm almost sure now that you mentioned it that the car had an OAI hood.
> So if we take the top price for each part listed, OAI 550, posi 900,,
> gauges 300, seat 75 and engine assuming correct 1000 then this car would
> be worth  approx. $2825 CNDN. Although this sounds practical, usually
> the sum of parts exceeds the valve of the car if sold separately.
> Therefore this car should be less than $2825. I don't want to get your
> hopes up Robert but this car is not in Toronto, it's just outside of
> London. I will probably be seeing it one day again, but the guy sounded
> pretty sure he wanted to restore it, although in my opinion his is not
> the type to be doing this type of work. I think this guy lives from
> day-to-day hand-to-mouth, at least that's the impression I got. He's the
> type that will hang on to this possible rare car in hopes of one day
> washing it, but it will most likely rot to death before he gets any
> where near removing a bolt. Mind you the interior was removed and what a
> mess it was in there all throw about.Too bad...
> 	BTW, Robert where are you, 50 miles away?
> 
> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
> 
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St. 
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Robert Schinkel[SMTP:docbob@caninet.com]
> > Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 11:53 AM
> > To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: 	Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> > 
> > My best way to determine the value of a car in common Canadian
> > condition is
> > to evaluate the value of the parts in Canadian prices the parts
> > breakdown
> > would be as follows
> > the 4 speed if complete        $1200.00
> > the air induction                   $450-550
> > the posi depending on ratio   $500-900
> > the tach and gauges             $300
> > Buckets                              $75
> > the engine make a hard value estimate because you need to pull the
> > heads to
> > make sure the large valves are there and that the piston are propper 
> > I have seen complete W-31 motors go for as much as $1000 
> > So if you take the value of the parts divide by 2 (just to be safe)
> > and
> > don't consider the rest of the parts for any value the car should be
> > worth
> > $1750 - $2000 which will leave you a little room to get your money
> > back if
> > you decide not to keep it
> > And for the chance you feel my estimate is way off I only live 50
> > miles
> > from you and I'de buy it in a heart beat at $1750 so if you can get it
> > cheaper make your self quick profit and call me 
> > If not I look forward to seeing the beautiful 69 restored some day we
> > need
> > to keep more of these cars on the road
> > 
> > For those American gagging at the prices allow for the 40% exchange on
> > our
> > dollar
> > 
> > Robert Schinkel
> > 70 W-31...70 Rallye 350
> > 70 442 Conv. 70 Cutlass Conv Best ET 13.59(but now with new head maybe
> > now
> > 12.9)
> > 905-357-4454
> > ----------
> > > From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> > > Date: Monday, July 07, 1997 11:24 AM
> > > 
> > > At 11:10 AM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
> > > >I came across a '69 W-31 last winter. While hunting on farm land I
> > came
> > > <snip>
> > > >confirmed. A '69 W-31 with all the options. Had the 350 with the
> > > <snip>
> > > >style wouldn't permit him right now. He had all the parts for the
> > car
> > > >and more in the garage. The car did need quite a bit of restoring,
> > but
> > > >it was indeed a W-31. I should call him back and see if he has
> > changed
> > > >his mind. 
> > > >	What do you think a car in poor shape (body) would be worth, as
> > > >a offer? He said he had parts but I didn't see any of them. 
> > > 
> > > Assuming that everything had to be rebuilt, I'd offer him about
> > $1000. If
> > > the engine really did run well, had reasonable miles on it, all the
> > other
> > > mechanicals were solid (though sitting so long will have killed the
> > seals
> > > and the brakes will need a complete redoing), and it was just a
> > matter of
> > > standard bodywork (quarters, floors, trunk, fenders, etc), maybe
> > > $1500-$1750. A '69 4-speed with Buckets and console and all
> > available
> > > options would be a real nice all-around car. Wish they were building
> > them
> > now...
> > > _______________________________________________________
> > > Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> > > Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
> > > 
> > 

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:29:28 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Hello everyone, just adding 2 more names to this list, it's now grown to
40 names! 
________________________________________________________________________
> Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
> Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
> Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442 
> Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
> Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> Cremean, Matt       Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
> Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
> Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
> Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
> Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
> Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    Gold'70 Supreme conv
> Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
> O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
> Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
> Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
> Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
> Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
> Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
> Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Cliff McFarlane
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Coupe.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:40:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

At 09:43 PM 7/7/97 -0400, Dave Ward wrote:
>Could anybody tell me the estimated horsepower of the Olds 350?  It's in
>a '78 Delta 88, which is completely stock, and it's not much more than a
>daily driver. I've looked all over for the horsepower and torque specs,
>but I can't seem to find them anywhere.

Probably very similar to the 79 H/O and my 80 442 W-30 in bone stock
form....160hp / 275 torque
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
Mobil 1 fluids, Licence plate: 1FST93Z.....14.165@98.70 before listed mods
Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:52:28 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: My 5 Seconds of Fame...

Did you get your fame on tape?  Wow - what a rush, ehhh?

Congratulations on getting an Oldsmobile noticed - not always the easiest
thing.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:54:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold swap?

> >      Sorry if this question has already been answered. Are big block and
> >small block exhaust manifolds interchangeable?
> 
> No, at least not on the right side. A big-block manifold will hit the oil
> filter adapter (been there, couldn't do that... :(  On the left, the
> manifold might hit the starter (we're talking standard A-body manifolds here).
> 
> Small-block manifolds would fit on the big-block, but there would be no
> advantage to that; smaller ports, and the outlet would be in a different
> position.


Actually, I've been using my 260 X-mans for all of my engines thus far. 
The ports are still plenty large (as I recall, larger than the ports on
the heads) and they exit in fairly decent locations.  Never tried
sticking BB man's in there, though.

Charley Buehner
mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:00:05 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> 
> Dave Ward wrote:
> >
> > If the Toro manifold would work without mods, could I just buy a pair of
> > performance headers (for a Toro) and a dual-hump cross-member?  I
> > imagine the laws are the same in the U.S. as in Canada regarding
> > emissions;  would I have to run two catalytics?
> >
> > S. Dave Ward  (Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)
> >
> Dave,
> 
> Good luck on finding Toro headers.  If you do find some, get a picture
> for Sparky.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama


Hi Bill,

Do you mean performance headers, like Hedman or Hooker, or are you
talking about the actual headers from the factory?  If it really is THAT
hard to find factory Toro headers, my little surgery on the Delta 88 is
screwed before I even begin...

Who is Sparky anyway? 

S. Dave Ward	(Peterbourough, Ontario, CANADA)

'78 Delta 88 (350)
'85 Delta 88 (307)

"You could set my Olds on fire, or beat it with all your force, but I
still wouldn't trade it for a nine-eleven PORSCHE!"

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 23:05:47 -0500
From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements

Doug Ahern wrote:
> 
> I need to replace the ignition key, the doors, and trunk locks and key
> on my 64 olds.  Does anyone have a source for such a set?  anyone ever
> do this before?
> 
> Doug


A good locksmith that has been in business for a long time could
probably help you.  Have your ignition and door locks operate off the
octagonal key as per oroginal and the trunk and glove box off the round
key.  Your lock cylinders can all be changed to do this without buying
new ones.  Good Luck!  Larger swap meets often have locksmiths on site
to do this and they usually have original keys.

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Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:56:52 -0400
From: WALKERJIM@webtv.net (Jim Walker)
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738

Re:  Headlights & wipers law...has been around in Florida for many, many
years. Remember, Karate kid? "Wipers on, lights on. Wipers off ligjts
off". Yes, it helps you to be seen in the daily precipitation we have
all summer long. They mean headlights, too; those dinky parking lights
you yankee boys insist on using while vacationing at the Mouse House
ain't worth a sh*t in the visibility department. 

ex '67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible owner and newsgroup voyeur

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Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:03:47 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Still Snakebit... ;-)

Sounds like my buddy with the ratty '65 Vista Cruiser (ITS THE ONE
ADVERTISED IN JWO by the way & I meant to shout that!) who swears the darn
thing is worth NO LESS then $4250 & he hasn't had an offer over $3200 in
the last f*o*u*r years.  He did go down a year ago from $4500 to $4250.
What a laugh.  Its really only worth about $2000 in my eyes.

Just wait & watch and see how long he advertises the poor old beast - then
when he's got the price down to your range call & politely tell him who you
are, then say "NO SALE HUH?" and hang up.

He'll probably sell it when my buddy gets rid of his Vista Cruiser (Never).



Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:05:20 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

I vote for a closed list if possible considering the junk we've been
getting more and more recently.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 22:20:19 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: What Happened to Rocket Talk?

> And, Charley's server may have changed, but I think RocketTalk is still
> at the same location, I think.

Yes, this is true.  I ~finally~ (reaad that as in one hour ago) got the
dialup networking working (?!) on my computer (After days of fighting,
fussing, and cussing...)  It seems to work well.  I'm relieved. 
Lightning struck our store last weekend and zapped all of our phones
and  modem I'd been using.  I was helpless :(  I'm relieved now.  

As for Rocket Talk, it's still at it's original location, for numerous
reasons.  Many likely have bookmarks directly to that page, so this can
temporarily avoid confusion.  The rest of the pages were ~huge~ so I
wanted to wipe out all the big stuff first (less likely to get bumped
off the old server if I get that ten meg out of the way.  A few K
leftover here and there won't be nearly as noticable...  I have to email
the chat provider to supply new Java code to me for the new URL, so I
haven't gotten around to that, ~and~ the computer that I'd been able to
make function was running 'Doze for Groupies (3.11) and wasn't Java
capable, so I had no way to determine if it would even function. 
Anyway, hopefully that will change here soon.  I can't stay on long
tonight (been a ~really~ long weekend) and tomorrow after work I have to
head back to Havre (300 miles) Got subpoena'd to testify against that
lady that rear-ended the Rockit in February.  Bummer.  Kinda want to see
her fry, but I don't think she'll get the chair :(  

Rockit news:  Pulled empty trailer 240 miless.  Couldn't even tell the
trailer was there, towed ~really~ nice.  Unfortuanately, that Toro
engine was a bit too old for the task, trailer or no.  Used (Not
leaked!) six quarts in 250 miles.  Blowby was bad enough that it was
gassing me out inside.  I had to keep the windows wide open on the
highway to keep from getting CO'd.  I cut my journey ~way~ short that
night.  I had a headache for a while and got really tired ~really~
fast.  Bad, bad sign....  So, I'm using my parent's pickup again.  Not
sure what the next stage is going to be for the Rockit.  I'd ~really~
like to built that engine, though...  It's a shame, cuz I got the tranny
cooler and half the ram air hooked up, too.  (dammit!)...

Anyway, there's the daily update (or weekly?)

Talked to a guy here today, he's got a 75 442.  Interesting car.  Ya
don't see many of them around!

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 06 Jul 1997 22:16:49
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

>- - - - - - - - - - -
>Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
>93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
>TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
>Mobil 1 fluids, Licence plate: 1FST93Z.....14.165@98.70 before listed mods
>Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
>80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)
>
this is more info than we really need about you!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:34:16 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

                              C&M Classic Parts
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm
___________________________________________________ 
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, gold)  $135.00
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
68 Headlight Plastic Bezels (mint pair)  $250.00 pr
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $$160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
69 Fender Eyebrow Moldings  (nice)  $60.00 pr
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68-69 14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 4, nice)  $160.00 set
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (nice)  $75.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  (mint)  $225.00
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
68 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $25.00
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea                  
70-72 455 Engine Mounts  $40.00 pr                                           
68-72 350 Engine Mounts  $38.00 pr                                           
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr                             
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00
72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________     
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                           
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                       
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $70.00 ea                             
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea               
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr                          
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea                              
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $90.00 pr          
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea               
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea            
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________      
64 Cutlass/442                       
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $40.00                                                   
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $8.00 ea                                            
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00                                      
V-8 Emblem  $5.00                                                             

66 Cutlass/442
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hucaps (very, very nice)  $130.00 set
66/67 Dash Pad (very good, black)  $125.00  
Headlight Bezels  $40.00 pr                                                  
Cutlass Front Grille  $40.00                                                  
LH Rear side molding  $10.00                                              
Rear Window Molding Set  $65.00 set                                  
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr                        
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea                                  

67 Cutlass/442
67 LH Fender Eyebrow Molding (excellent) $35.00
67 LH Fender (Arizona part) Very nice  $350.00
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00
Cutlass Headlight Bezels  $55.00 pr                                    
Supreme/442 Side Moldings  $15.00 ea piece                       
Front Bumper Cores  $45.00 ea                                           
A Pillar Moldings  $15.00 pr                                              
Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $20.00 ea                                

68 Cutlass/442
68 Cutlass/442 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $45.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00                              
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea                                            
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $25.00 pr 
68/69 442 Front Fenders (need small patch)  $100.00 pr

69 Cutlass/442
69 Core Support (3 Row Radiator, nice)  $175.00
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $200.00 pr
69 Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
69-72 Column Shift Tilt Wheel  $110.00
69 442 Trunk Lid (mint)  $175.00
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
442 Grilles (nice)  $180.00 pr                                               
442 Hood Tongue  $35.00 ea                                                     
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                                       
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr                                          
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr                                        
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set                                 
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                                
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $380.00
69 RH Fender (same)  $380.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors   (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
SSII Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
S Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr                                        
S Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr                                        
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00                                  
Black A/C and Non A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea                  
Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)                  
70-71  Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (needs patch panel)   $100.00                               
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits)  $8.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 4)  $160.00                                       
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
SSII/III Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00                                          
72 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (excellent)  $110.00 set  
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00

Toronado Parts
66-67 Toronado Chrome Dash Bezel (Mint)  $40.00
66-68 Toronado Pitman Arm (excellent cond) GM  $45.00              
66-? Toronado Front Brake Drum  $15.00                               
66-69 Toronado Interior Moldings (Ivory)  $5.00 ea                   
66-69 Toronado LH & RH Rear Side Windows  $30.00 ea        
66-68 Toronado Back Glass  $40.00                                      
68-69 Toronado Headlight Vacuum Module  $40.00                
                          

We are considering reproducting the extremely rare 66 Tri-carb Shroud
assembly if we get 10-20 orders. It won't be cheap to do this. This is the
chrome top shroud and the black lower. It will be made of fiber glass and
plastic chrome plated. Prices will be around $550.00 ea and will look
correct but won't cost an arm and a leg. Considerations for the part will be
made by 1 Aug 97. The mold will be taken from an original shroud assembly we
have. Please Email us with the title "Shroud".  The reproduction 70-72
Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicators $24.00 ea. plus $3.00 shipping.
We have also reproduced the 63 Starfire console shift lens $35.00 plus $3.00
shipping. We have recieved a 67-69 2 spd auto shift lens and will be
reproducing these for the Jetaway Trans. cars. Looking for a decent 64-66
auto trans shift lens for reference to reproduce.

Jim Chermack
OCA #24275
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
67 442 W-30 Trac-Pac
67 Cutlass Supreme
'72 442 (350)
'94 Cutlass Supreme  
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:46:31 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: 70 SX W-32 For Sale

Hey All,

        I'm putting my SX up for sale. It's a beautiful Astro Blue 48,000
mile car that's very nice. 455 365hp (w/W-31 cam), complete OAI, TH400 (OG
code), TO code 3.91:1 anti-spin w/W-27 rear cover, A/C, PDB, rear defrost,
AM/FM Stereo, FE-2, Rallye Pac, Sport Mirrors, Sport Steering Wheel, tilt,
mint black bucket seat interior (all chrome plastic replated), SSI's
w/reproduction Wide Ovals, suspension rebuilt, new exhaust (w/flowmasters)
only non stock parts. Car is very correct. OCA first place car, 933 points.
Asking $9500.00. 

If you all wondering why, last night I purchased a 54,000 original mile 67
W-30 Trac-Pac car, and tonight I purchased a 75,000 original mile 67 Cutlass
Supreme Post Coupe. Ain't got any more room Greg! 

Jim Chermack
(757) 474-0869 

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 00:50:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

At 10:16 PM 7/6/97, Chris Matthes wrote:
>
>>- - - - - - - - - - -
>>Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
>>93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
>>TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
>>Mobil 1 fluids, Licence plate: 1FST93Z.....14.165@98.70 before listed mods
>>Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
>>80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
>>75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)
>>
>this is more info than we really need about you!

Sorry.

and this is my shortened version ;-) Thats why there is cut and paste and
the delete key.....don't like it don't look. I made a shortened version for
you though

J.L.
1-fast chevy
3-slow oldsmobiles

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 01:12:07 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)

>Do any of the Virginia s*bscribers (don't know if 's*bscribers' would trip
>up the Martian...'er Majordomo) know about a new law taking place the 15th
>of July, or sometime around there, that mandates that whenever the
>windshield wipers are used, the headlights are supposed to be on?

That is affirmative....Only it went into effect July 5th.  I run headlights
in the rain and when driving east in the evening anyway.  My bright yellow
Vista Cruiser doesn't really need the headlights though.  The only time I
couldn't see it because of bad weather was during that big blizzard back in
Jan,`96.  It was completely burried in a 6-foot high snow drift. :)

>Can anybody out there in cyberspace confirm this new law as...an actual
>law?

A couple of states have had that law for a year or two, I understand.

>P.S. Speaking of cyberspace and space in general, isn't the technology that
>sent that rover to Mars incredible?

I'm amazed at the technology they used to shoot thoes people to the moon 28
years ago.  The CD player in my V-C has more computing power then the tin
can they rode up there.  They really did fly by the seat of their pants.

> I still think it'd be great if the
>video showed some Martian strolling up to the landing site, snatching up
>the Mars rover and walking away, only to turn around to the camera to stick
>it's tongue out...:-)

.....then throw it in with a pile of junk that inclues a couple of voyager
probes and Timothy Leary's urn. :)

A streaker would be pretty funny too. :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:09:05 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

No, I was trying to be helpful, I dont care to see people get burned and
my 2 cents has the same right to be heard as yours.

> 
> ***I was only trying to be helpful. Feel free to keep your sarcasm to
> yourself. Eh?

- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 00:17:55 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

Dave Ward wrote:
> 
> Could anybody tell me the estimated horsepower of the Olds 350?  It's in
> a '78 Delta 88, which is completely stock, and it's not much more than a
> daily driver. I've looked all over for the horsepower and torque specs,
> but I can't seem to find them anywhere.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
> 
> S. Dave Ward  (Peterbourough, Ontario, CANADA)
> 
> 1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
> 1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

Chiltons almost always has the HP and torque specs, check it out if you
can find one for that year.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 01:35:03 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

>James Thingwold wrote:
>> 
>> My poor Vista Cruiser had a bad weekend - while battling the holiday
>> weekend crowds with twins in tow at Home Depot (I suspect as their parking
>> lot sucks), someone managed to back into my perfect back bumper and leave
>> enough of a dimple to glare up at me everytime I look at it.
>> 
>> Sigh.  Aint holidays grand?
>> 
>> Lisa Madsen

I hate to hear that.  Perfect Vista-Cruiser back bumpers are impossible to
come by.  I know how it feels.  My V-C has lots of chips and imperfections
that it didn't have when I started driving it 2 or 3 years ago.  The three
gouges that a shopping cart put into the side of mine are the most glaring.
Someone used the drive side rear door to stop their grocery cart then then
left it there.  It'd be nice if the *ssholes who are too lazy to return a
cart would at least kick it on it's side so it can't roll anywhere.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:05:47 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine buildup

At 10:01 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Perhaps my emails are not getting through to the list...so I will try
>this again.

You have sent a "subscribe" message to the Majordomo list, and are getting a
large quantity of Olds messages every day, aren't you? I recall seeing a
reply or two to your original question. Sometimes, however, you have to post
a question a couple times to get an adequate response.

>I am starting to go through my '69 442's engine.  It is the original 400
>w/ around 68,000 on it.  I just wondering if anyone has any suggestion
>as to what is a practical order of things.  It is going to get a full
>overhaul with some performance parts (carb, intake, headers) but not too
>tricked out...if anyone has any info please mail me here and thanks in
>advance!

Is it an automatic or manual-transmission car? And what is the rear gear
ratio? A few other questions:

* What kind of budget are you on? Some things (i.e. intake and carb) are
expensive, but don't gain you much horsepower, if any, over the stock pieces
when properly tuned.

* How often will you drive it? Is economy an issue at all? How about
cold-weather driveability?

Without knowing this, I'll just make a few comments:

First, your engine is already a high-performance engine, with bigger valves,
larger jets, higher-lift cam, etc, so you can't expect to gain any
performance by making those modifications. Aftermarket high-performance
parts are not necessarily higher-performance parts than the
factory-installed high-performance parts; I've seen more than a few examples
of people who slowed their cars down by installing "speed" parts.

Second, one thing that, as a rule, you can change and expect to see a
notable performance increase is the camshaft design. Go with a more modern
grind, like the ones offered through Mondello, which have a higher lift but
shorter duration than your stock cam.

One limiting factor to your buildup will be the small bore size of your
later 400, which can shroud larger valves. One great way to gain yourself
some horsepower is to move up to a 455 shortblock with your stock "C" heads;
more cubic inches, and the large valves will breathe even better.

Other than that, a higher-stall converter and lower rear gears (higher
numerically) would improve your car's performance more than an equivalent
amount of $$$ put into your engine would.

For the rpm range the 400 (or 455) would see, upgrading to headers might not
be worth your while. Sure, they're louder, and that's fun, but you may not
notice enough performance improvement to justify the cost and the extra
hassle (i.e. do you like being able to change your oil filter without
removing the exhaust manifolds?). In addition, the stock intake and
quadrajet would flow more than enough air for your application, so only
upgrade those if you've got lots of money left over.

Do focus on the details, such as degreeing in the cam and making sure your
actual compression ratio approaches the engine's advertised ratio; you might
have to mill the heads to bring the chamber volume into line. Also make sure
you've got the proper lifter preload. Much of this is covered in the FAQ.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:07:24 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

- ----------
> From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)
> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 20:41
> 
> Eric Aksomitis wrote:
> 
> > I just finished putting dual exhaust on my '75 Olds cutlass, with '75
98
> > 455 motor.  The manifolds were the standard cross-over-into manifolds
> > that yours should have, and I used them no problem.  I simply took the
> > crossover pipe, cut it to be about 6 inches long, bent it shut and
welded
> > it completely sealed, put it back on te passenger side manifold, then
got
> > factory exhaust for the passenger side, and a custom-built pipe for the
> > other side.  I have seen this done lots before with good results, but
the
> > tranny cross-member will probably have to be notched for clearance.  At
> > Minute Muffler (do you have those?) It cost me $340 for brand new 2 1/4
> > inch dual exhaust, some kind of medium-performace mufflers, and new
> > crossmemebr (they actually found me a true dual-exhaust cross-member!)
> > 
> > Any more questions, ask......
> > 
> > > '78 Delta 88 (soon to be restored)
> > Had one of those, first car I ever payed > $500 for, got stolen in one
> > month, just recently been found upside down on local reserve
> > 
> > > '85 Delta 88 (useless as an import...)
> > Too small, never owned one, mileage is for wimps!
> > 
> > ...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
> > Eric Aksomitis:
> > Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
> > Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
> > http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
> > Last update: 970504
> > ..............................................................
> 
> 
> Thanks for the advice!  I already looked into a pair of performance
> headers, but nobody makes them.  They would be the easiest in all
> aspects, including the $$$.  The 350 is whisper-quiet right now, and I'd
> like a little more sound from it.  I just might throw on a "cherry
> bomb", and save myself the hassle.  If it can't give me the sound I
> want, I'll go to duals.  Would I have to run two catalytics, then?
> 
> S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)
> 
> 1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
> 1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

Eh Dave,

If you run true duals, then you would need 2 catalytics.  I was inquiring
about duals for my '85 Cutlass at a muffler shop, and the guy explained
that 2 smaller catalytics are usually used to replace the larger single
unit.  I can't guarantee that this is legal in Ontario, but shops are aware
of the emissions laws and most follow them diligently for fear of huge
fines if they break the law.  Most shops won't even touch my car due to the
fact that I have altered the exhaust in order to increase performance.

If a louder car is what you're after, and want to save some cash, go with
duals running from a single catalytic to the back of the car with small
glass pack mufflers and large diameter tail pipes.

Hope this helps.
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:21:12 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: The Toro/Walker exhaust set-up...

At 11:12 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm still a little undecided towards planning my budget...I have the
>choice of getting painted, or going to a set of dual exhausts.  This
>set-up that you mentioned...the one about the Toro manifold and Walker
>exhausts...do you think it could be done for under $500.00 (CDN)?  (all
>I need is an opinion--exact numbers would be impossible)

For that price, you'd probably do better to have a custom-bender do your
whole system, perhaps using the bending cards for the LT-1 B/C-bodies as a
basis, though I don't know what a junkyard would charge you for a
crossmember and a single manifold. Whatever the case, a dual exhaust system
would be much better than any $500 paint job (but that's just my opinion...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: 7 Jul 1997 22:35:34 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738

OL>------------------------------

OL>Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 20:39:31 -0400
OL>From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
OL>Subject: Re: Dual Exhausts ('78 Delta 88)

OL>Robert Barry wrote:
OL>>
OL>> At 02:18 AM 7/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
OL>> >I've got a 1978 Olds Delta 88 with a 350 4bbl, and it's stock top to
OL>> >bottom.  I'd like to replace the factory single exhaust with a pair of
OL>> >duals, but duals weren't offered on this model.  The closest alternative
OL>> >(so I'm told) would be from a '76--would these fit?
OL>>
OL>> on my '78 Electra with its Olds 403, and I've been lining up the pieces to
OL>> work this out. There is even the possibility that a '78-'85 307/350-powere
OL>> Toronado right-hand manifold would work; it has a single outlet, but the
OL>> angle is back at about 45', whereas the stock manifold dumps straight down
OL>> I just have to find one to mock up, and see if it will hit the firewall.
OL>>
OL>> I haven't had the time to get too far with this, though, so it may not
OL>> happen right away.
OL>> _______________________________________________________
OL>> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
OL>> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

This is also VERY interesting to me as well, because I _also_ own a '78
Olds Delta 88, and wish to add dual exhaust as well!  The only thing is
that I'm in California and it is considered illegal to modify the stock
system (but there are LEGAL ways to get around it) even if it runs
cleaner.

I was told that an A-body x-member wouldn't work, but that I could take
a x-member off of a late 80's full size f*rd and make it work (because
they had optional dual exhaust from factory)  If push comes to shove I
would have the X-membet modified, or maybe just route both pipes over to
the right side and keep my single in/single out 2.75" catalyst
(monolithic replacment, no pellets for me!)

Exhaust pipe size itself is now the limiting factor, I can't make up my
mind wether to use 2.25" or 2.5"..  I know I want to put a strong motor
in this car sometime (I may go down this Sat and look for a 403 or a
455 at the boneyard, see if I can get it on a half-off day!) and I'm
afraid of choking the engine or killing my low-end torque.

Mike Jones
'78 Olds 88

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:15:22 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

Eh Dave,

My mechanic has manuals with all the specs.  I don't know if he has the
specs from '78 but I can check tomorrow. (Tuesday)

BTW:  Are you going to London?  I'm in Toronto and would like to get a
bunch of cars together to go out there.  Let me know.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
> To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: The H.P. of a 350...
> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 21:43
> 
> Could anybody tell me the estimated horsepower of the Olds 350?  It's in
> a '78 Delta 88, which is completely stock, and it's not much more than a
> daily driver. I've looked all over for the horsepower and torque specs,
> but I can't seem to find them anywhere.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!
> 
> S. Dave Ward  (Peterbourough, Ontario, CANADA)
> 
> 1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
> 1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

------------------------------

Date: 7 Jul 1997 22:40:04 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738

OL>------------------------------

OL>Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 21:43:27 -0400
OL>From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
OL>Subject: The H.P. of a 350...

OL>Could anybody tell me the estimated horsepower of the Olds 350?  It's in
OL>a '78 Delta 88, which is completely stock, and it's not much more than a
OL>daily driver. I've looked all over for the horsepower and torque specs,
OL>but I can't seem to find them anywhere.

OL>Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

OL>S. Dave Ward  (Peterbourough, Ontario, CANADA)

OL>1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
OL>1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

I heard that the Olds 350 is about 170-175 horsepower at 3800 rpm, and
has 270-275 lb.ft. torque at 2000 rpm.  It runs at an 8.5:1 compression
ratio, and because of the windowed main webs of all '77-on blocks it
shouldn't be revved beyond 5500 rpm.

Mine might be a little higher than the 170-175 rating, I got an
edelbrock performer manifold, and running a K&N filter.

Mike Jones
'78 Olds 88

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:28:33 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738

- ----------
> From: Jim Walker <WALKERJIM@webtv.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #738
> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 23:56
> 
> Re:  Headlights & wipers law...has been around in Florida for many, many
> years. Remember, Karate kid? "Wipers on, lights on. Wipers off ligjts
> off". 

I keep my lights on even on the brightest of summer days, it makes you more
visible; that's why they invented daytime running lights.

Yes, it helps you to be seen in the daily precipitation we have
> all summer long. They mean headlights, too; those dinky parking lights
> you yankee boys insist on using while vacationing at the Mouse House
> ain't worth a sh*t in the visibility department. 
> 
> ex '67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible owner and newsgroup voyeur
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 7 Jul 1997 23:21:45 -0500
From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Subject: Early Cutlii In Dallas

Hey everyone! There's a place on Plano Road called Show N Go that has a
beautiful 1963 Olds F85. It's only 17,000 miles on it, and it looks the
part. Wonderful car. Kind of a silvery blue color. I think it had redline
tires. It's for sale, I don't know how much. They also had an early Dodge
truck rodded out with fat tires and a 426 Hemi engine. Black with flames,
what a good looking ride. Lots of Harley stuff also. The other day I saw a
white Cutlass convertible (black top) at the IMAX theatre in Dallas. It was
an early model, I didn't recognize it from the back. I guess a 1962 or
1963. Very pretty driver. There was a yellow/white 1969/1970 442 on Cedar
Springs/Maple Ave. yesterday. Very good condition, looked great.

Has anyone ever been down I35(south) to a junkyard called Classic Auto
Salvage or County Line Auto Salvage. Something like that, it's in Red Oak.
When I passed by it the other day, they had a 69 Cutlass HT for sale for
$1600. I will be going down there real soon to check out their stock. I
think they deal in vintage cars. Also, farther down on 35 there's a car lot
with some restored classics for sale. I spied a first generation Toronado
and a 69 Cutlass.

Well, take care, and wish me luck as I trudge on through rebuilding my
front end. I so much miss driving my yacht. See ya!
Nick

     -----------------------------------------------------------
     Nick Gomez       Dallas, Texas     Live Concert Tape Trader
     MSTie# 53344     Ska! Ska! Ska!      1965 Olds Ninety Eight
     -----------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:37:37 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Rear End Ration quesion and problem

	I have got a 1981 Delta 88 with a 307, th 250 and a 2.73 rear end.  I
don't even have to tell you how slow this thing is off the line.  I would
like to have a 350 motor but don't want to do it because I would like to
prove some of mine rice burner friends that this motor can do it.  I was
thinking to change the transmition to a th200r4 (overdrive).  I know this
tranny is not great but that is all I could afford from a junk yard. 
Consequently, I would like to raise the Rear End Ration to maybe 3.43 or
3.73.  Would this make the Delta faster off the line?.  The only reason why
I want the overdrive is to be able to raise the rear end and still have
decent mpg.  How would milege and engine ware differ from the current
setup.  Any suggestions are helpful.		

Igor Todorovic 
1981 Delta 88
1995 Intrepid 3.3

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 02:40:40 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307

	Would getting headers for my stock 307 Delta 88 improve performance and by
how much.  Also how much would it cost.  And/or would a edelbrock carb do
enaugh good to be $450 canadian worth.


Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88
1995 Intrepid 3.3

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:12:50 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: TH200R4 or whatever the overdirve is called

	First of all, what is the transmision in a 1981-1984 Delta 88 307 and 1981
- -1987 Cultass 307 ( I assume it is the th200r4).  Would the overdrive
transmision from the Cutlass in the years metioned fit in place of a 1981
th250 3 speed on a 1981 Delta 88.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 03:09:46 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Tourqe convertors and shift kits

	I know absolutley nothing about tourqe convertors and shift kits.  I would
like to know was a high-stall convertor is and what is the purpose of
installing a performance convertor and is it worth the cost.  Also, the
same quesions apply to the shift kits.  Sorry if I sound dumb.  ( the
transimsions I am talking about would be th250 or th200r4)

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88
1995 Intrepid 3.3

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 06:17:52 -0300
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Regarding a stereo system

	I've got a clarion deck 4x30W and a 4-chanell 300W amp in my car.  Ever
since I changed the alternator I have been getting vary poor base response.
 At the same time I conected a equilizer and converted my conection from a
high-power (spk. wire from deck directly to amp) to low-power RCA type
input.  I checked all the conections and concluded that it is eirther the
nature of the RCA input to create a poping noise in base (i used cheap
wal-mart wires) or that the used alternator has a problem.  If anyone would
know what this could be it would help and also what kind of conection shoul
RCA wires provide (i was always under the impression that it should be
better)  I also checked my grounding and all the things are grounded to the
same point, I ground looks good.  ???????

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:01:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Engine Buildup

The old s*bscribe word gotcha again... forwarding...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine buildup

At 10:01 PM 7/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Perhaps my emails are not getting through to the list...so I will try
>this again.

You have sent a "s*bscribe" message to the Majordomo list, and are getting a
large quantity of Olds messages every day, aren't you? I recall seeing a
reply or two to your original question. Sometimes, however, you have to post
a question a couple times to get an adequate response.

>I am starting to go through my '69 442's engine.  It is the original 400
>w/ around 68,000 on it.  I just wondering if anyone has any suggestion
>as to what is a practical order of things.  It is going to get a full
>overhaul with some performance parts (carb, intake, headers) but not too
>tricked out...if anyone has any info please mail me here and thanks in
>advance!

Is it an automatic or manual-transmission car? And what is the rear gear
ratio? A few other questions:

* What kind of budget are you on? Some things (i.e. intake and carb) are
expensive, but don't gain you much horsepower, if any, over the stock pieces
when properly tuned.

* How often will you drive it? Is economy an issue at all? How about
cold-weather driveability?

Without knowing this, I'll just make a few comments:

First, your engine is already a high-performance engine, with bigger valves,
larger jets, higher-lift cam, etc, so you can't expect to gain any
performance by making those modifications. Aftermarket high-performance
parts are not necessarily higher-performance parts than the
factory-installed high-performance parts; I've seen more than a few examples
of people who slowed their cars down by installing "speed" parts.

Second, one thing that, as a rule, you can change and expect to see a
notable performance increase is the camshaft design. Go with a more modern
grind, like the ones offered through Mondello, which have a higher lift but
shorter duration than your stock cam.

One limiting factor to your buildup will be the small bore size of your
later 400, which can shroud larger valves. One great way to gain yourself
some horsepower is to move up to a 455 shortblock with your stock "C" heads;
more cubic inches, and the large valves will breathe even better.

Other than that, a higher-stall converter and lower rear gears (higher
numerically) would improve your car's performance more than an equivalent
amount of $$$ put into your engine would.

For the rpm range the 400 (or 455) would see, upgrading to headers might not
be worth your while. Sure, they're louder, and that's fun, but you may not
notice enough performance improvement to justify the cost and the extra
hassle (i.e. do you like being able to change your oil filter without
removing the exhaust manifolds?). In addition, the stock intake and
quadrajet would flow more than enough air for your application, so only
upgrade those if you've got lots of money left over.

Do focus on the details, such as degreeing in the cam and making sure your
actual compression ratio approaches the engine's advertised ratio; you might
have to mill the heads to bring the chamber volume into line. Also make sure
you've got the proper lifter preload. Much of this is covered in the FAQ.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #739a
********************************


oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, July 9 1997       Volume 01 : Number 740a



Re: Where did everyone go?
80 Cutlass?
Re: Regarding a stereo system
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
1931 owners ?
[Fwd: Re: New car I got] Second time
RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
RE: W 30 Aluminum intake
Re:  Still Snakebit...  ;-)
Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)
Re: New Virginia Law and Martians
Olds Classifieds
Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
RE: Torque converters and shift kits
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes
Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Re: New Virginia Law and Martians
Columbus OH Classifieds
Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
FS: 1937 Olds
Re: Tourqe convertors and shift kits
Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: 1931 owners ?
1927 REO --check this out please.
Build date codes
Hurst/Olds decals
Re: Spamming Spammers
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
ADMIN: Re: Spamming Spammers
Re: Spamming Spammers
AC Rapid Fire spark plug info
'79 Cutlass 260 Rough Idle
[none]
[none]
Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.
Duals on the Delta 88...
Re: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307
Suggestions on electronic Ignition replacement
Re: 70 SX W-32 For Sale
Digest 742 ideas
Re: Parting out '75 Olds 98
RE: Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 07:05:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Where did everyone go?

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997 BigEJ@aol.com wrote:

> What happened??   No digests since last Wednesday?  Have I been banished??
>  Golly, I miss you-all.
> 
> Elephant Engine Ernie

The majordomo problem we had last week finally seems fixed, as the first 
digest since last Wednesday went out yesterday. However, there were a 
couple of unfortunate side effects:

1) The sequential numbering somehow got messed up, and
2) Nothing posted from the end of last week and the weekend seems to exist 
anymore. 

I'm just grateful it's working again, but sorry that we lost some posts.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 05:09:39 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Subject: 80 Cutlass?

I found someone who has a 80 Cutlass V8 for sale (good price, may be too
hard to pass up) with a "3 something V8, not a Chevy".  What was the gas
engine lineup for 1980?  I thought the 260 was top(?) dog in 1980.

He said the car is straight and rust free, just primered.  Catch, it is
10 hours away, but he is willing to help with the drive there and back.  
What was typical gearing then?  He said it is a F41 car, with lots of
options.  Was the rear sway bar in 1980 larger than 1985 F41?  If
anything, a parts car for my 85!

Anyone have cam specs on the Ram Rod and the W31?  I read in a book a
long time ago that the W31 cam was pretty wild, seems I remember
something like .501 lift and 240 degrees @ .050??  108 CL.  Anyone know
the "real" specs?  I am just curious.  Something that doesn't seem real
streetable today.

Thanks
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:14:42 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding a stereo system

Igor wrote:
> 
> Ever since I changed the alternator I have been getting vary poor base 
> response.
> I checked all the conections and concluded that it is eirther the
> nature of the RCA input to create a poping noise...

By "poor bass response" do you mean weak bass or do you have a popping 
noise?  ...or both?  In either case, if you have the same problem with 
the motor not running, it doesn't seem like something you could blame on 
the altenator.

If you have WEAK bass, you might have a reversed phasing.  Double check 
the wiring that all channels are wired with the same "polarity".  Also 
consider jumping around the equalizer -- just in case it a dud -- since 
the problem also started when it was installed.

> ...what kind of conection shoul RCA wires provide (i was always under 
> the impression that it should be better)  

Bettter than what?  RCA connectors are low power connectors, not really 
suitable for output connections to speakers -- except maybe with small 
amps -- but they should work.  
 
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 06:33:55 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

Jason Labay wrote:
> 
> 
> J.L.
> 1-fast chevy
> 3-slow oldsmobiles

3-slowly waiting on the 1-Chevy.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:37:00 -0400
From: "Hebert, Robert" <HEBEROB@statcan.ca>
Subject: 1931 owners ?

Is there anybody out there that owns a 1931 Oldsmobile ? I own a 1931 
Oldsmobile 4 door sedan Deluxe.

Hope to hear from anyone.

Robert Hébert
heberob@statcan.ca

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 04:03:51 -0700
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Subject: [Fwd: Re: New car I got] Second time

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Hi all,

In this new car I got (HT) I noticed that the windlace that traverses
the window opening is chrome.  On my (SC) car I have this rubber item
with metal inserts to hold the head-liner in.  Is this a specific item
for HTs.  I thought I saw windlace like mine on a picture of HT in one
of the resto books.

Let me know...

Chris Sparks
68 4-4-2 (Lena)
82 DRB   (no name)
68 4-4-2 (Satan) [License plate has 6-6-6 in it]

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:35:30 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

Actually this car had an automatic tranny so no extra points or money
for that matter, unless they had a special tranny put in, did they?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Robert Schinkel[SMTP:docbob@caninet.com]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 11:24 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> 
> You forgot to add the 4 Gear at $1200 which would make it $4025 then
> diveded by 2 put you at $2012.50 
> This is the method I use before I buy a car .....Unless I have a plan
> to
> keep it for myself then I pay higher 
> Oh and I'm in Niagara Falls so when you go to the Casino give me a
> call I
> live to Show my toys and talk Olds
> 
> By the way same offer goes to anyone else If you come to Niagara Falls
> 
> Call me 
> Will that be Tea or Coffee or perhaps Sport wheels and Spoilers
> 
> Robert Schinkel
> 1970...W-31...442 Conv...Rallye 350...Cutlass Supreme Conv
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 08:46:54 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: W 30 Aluminum intake

Hey,
	I have a Holley too, what Holley carb syndrome are you referring
to? Please explain.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Al Frey[SMTP:alpha1@airmail.net]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 11:06 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	W 30 Aluminum intake
> 
> 
> I am in the market for a W30 olds intake for my restoration project 71
> W30
> the one on the car has been greatly abused by the dreaded Holly carb
> syndrome.Anyone with one for sale would be generously compensated for
> this
> part!
> 
> Al Frey
> alpha1@airmail.net
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 07:55:38 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re:  Still Snakebit...  ;-)

Greg,
Hey don't feel bad, there are plenty of people out there getting the
same B.S. from car owners.  I had a guy down the street from me who had
a 68 F*rd wagon with a 390 in it.  I wanted to buy the whole car for the
drive line.  This thing is heavily rusted and sitting on blocks and he
wants $1000 for it.  He believes it is rare.  Another fellow down the
street has a 68 N*va with a 6 cylinder automatic in it.  Heavy rust in
the Quarters and doors.  It looked like a good candidate to tub out and
turn into a drag car.  He wants $1000 for it.  He has "seen what they
are worth in the Old Cars Price Guide."  His judgement on the car's
condition leaves room for doubt.  And then the all time idiot who live
south of town has a 57 Ch*vy 150 2 door sedan.  It is another good
candidate to tub and drag due to rusted out trunk and rear frame rails.
What price you ask?  Not for sale for any amount.  He never gets rid of
any of his old cars, he just takes them to the woods behind his house
where they rust in piece.  He will not even sell any parts.  Who knows
what interesting vehicles are setting out there?  These types have to
all die off someday and then their stuff will be sold because they can't
take it with them. 

Lets see, a N*va for $1000 and a F*rd wagon for $1000 and both are rusty
as h*ll.  That means my 4-4-2 is worth $20,000 if you use the factor of
true value x 10 = Fantasy Value.  Or I can just take it out in the woods
and let it set forever.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
In Dana, IN, where cars are worth more.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:49:47 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians (not to be confused with Virginians)

> >Can anybody out there in cyberspace confirm this new law as...an actual
> >law?
> 
> A couple of states have had that law for a year or two, I understand.

NJ is one and it's been in place for at least 10 years in FL, FWIW.
A friend of mine was given a $50 "reminder" back in '87 when he was
driving in one of the frequent 10 minute showers, sans illuminated
headlights...
 
> >P.S. Speaking of cyberspace and space in general, isn't the technology that
> >sent that rover to Mars incredible?
> 
> I'm amazed at the technology they used to shoot thoes people to the moon 28
> years ago.  The CD player in my V-C has more computing power then the tin
> can they rode up there.  They really did fly by the seat of their pants.

The 'tin cans' they flew to the moon 28 years ago are like Toronados, compared
to the Trabant-like Soyuz capsules STILL used by the Russians to go to Mir.

In fact the fourth component of the International Space Station, due to
be in place in the 1999/200 timeframe is a Soyuz 'lifeboat'.  Heck, my
'67 Cutlass is more technologically sophisticated! :)

But it's true, the Martian Rover is an amazing piece of equipment, all the
more so when one realizes how (relatively!) inexpensive it is.  Especially
when compared to a new Aurora :)

Sorry, I watched _Apollo 13_ again last night and I feel gung-ho about the
Apollo program right now.  It's too bad they gave up on that great Saturn V
workhorse, it'd be awfully useful (and cheaper!) to lob some of the stuff
they use the shuttle for these days....  The last one was already near
completion BEFORE Neil took his stroll at Mare Tranquillity.

Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:02:47 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians

You Virginia guys are lucky.  You will only be required to use your
headlights when your wipers are in use.  In North Carolina they have
signs along the Interstate that say:"Burn Headlights when wipers are in
use."  The few times I have been travelling through there and it rained,
I had trouble complying.  The rain kept drowning out my matches when I
tried to burn my headlights.  I thought it would have been better to
turn them on for visibility, but what do I know?  

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:05:14 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Olds Classifieds

These following Olds classics were in the Sunday Cleveland (Ohio) Plain
Dealer Classifieds 7/6/97

1938 L8 rumble seat conv. $29,500 (217) 228-7565

1951 98 4dr. Sedan, two-tone gray, needs some work, solid body, no price
given, (419) 626-0254

1967 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, 43K, stored 10 yrs. 1st $2500  (330)
225-0949

1970 Cutlass SX Coupe, 455 big block 320hp ground-up resto, rebuilt engine
and tranny, AZ car, mint, $14,500  :-O!   (216) 871-4297



Paul Fikaris
fikaris@en.com
'69 Delta 88 Conv 455

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:15:19 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

No

- ----------
> From: Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 8:35 AM
> 
> Actually this car had an automatic tranny so no extra points or money
> for that matter, unless they had a special tranny put in, did they?
> 
> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
> 
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St. 
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4
> 
> > ----------
> > From: 	Robert Schinkel[SMTP:docbob@caninet.com]
> > Sent: 	Monday, July 07, 1997 11:24 PM
> > To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: 	Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
> > 
> > You forgot to add the 4 Gear at $1200 which would make it $4025 then
> > diveded by 2 put you at $2012.50 
> > This is the method I use before I buy a car .....Unless I have a plan
> > to
> > keep it for myself then I pay higher 
> > Oh and I'm in Niagara Falls so when you go to the Casino give me a
> > call I
> > live to Show my toys and talk Olds
> > 
> > By the way same offer goes to anyone else If you come to Niagara Falls
> > 
> > Call me 
> > Will that be Tea or Coffee or perhaps Sport wheels and Spoilers
> > 
> > Robert Schinkel
> > 1970...W-31...442 Conv...Rallye 350...Cutlass Supreme Conv
> > 
> > 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:17:30 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Torque converters and shift kits

To start, the converter is located within the bell housing of the
transmission, at the back of the engine. It is connected to the engines
flywheel. As the engine's crank shaft turns, the converter turns as
well. Inside the converter are steel plates with fins. The converter
uses fluid, (hydraulics) to push the plates together creating friction.
This then turns a shaft in the converter connected to the transmission
shaft and makes you go.
	A stock converter has a low-stall, meaning that the plates in
the converter lock up sooner, at a lower engine rpm, approx. 1800 rpm. A
high-stall converter locks up later, at higher engine rpm's approx. 2500
or higher and is used for higher horse power engines. This engines need
high-stall in order to bring power to the driveline when the engine
first begins to make more horse power, usually at a higher rpm.  At
lower rmp speeds the converter's plates are actually slipping not fully
locking up. 
	A shift kit is basically a stack of extra valve body plates that
you put in to the transmission. What is does is that it gives the
transmission a stronger shift. You can tell if a transmission has a
shift kit by the way it shifts gears. When a car takes off and
accelerates very quickly and shifts from 1st to second, you will hear
the tires chirp. It the engine has enough power you will get a second
chirp from 2nd gear into 3rd. There are several types of shift kits, one
more elaborate than the other. Basically, shift kits change the way the
fluid is used to shift gears. 
	You should be able to change these components for those
transmissions you listed however one thing to remember is that you
should consider the condition of the transmission before you install
these parts. A slightly worn transmission will become a truly used one
in no time.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Igor[SMTP:todorovb@cadvision.com]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, July 08, 1997 5:09 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Tourqe convertors and shift kits
> 
> 	I know absolutley nothing about tourqe convertors and shift
> kits.  I would
> like to know was a high-stall convertor is and what is the purpose of
> installing a performance convertor and is it worth the cost.  Also,
> the
> same quesions apply to the shift kits.  Sorry if I sound dumb.  ( the
> transimsions I am talking about would be th250 or th200r4)
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88
> 1995 Intrepid 3.3
> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:25:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

Robert,

I recently painted my 1989 9C1 Caprice myself.  I bought the car from a local
Police dept and it was still black & white.  I drove it for nearly a year
like that (Got lots of looks like that ;-)).  Anyway, I went to a local paint
supply house and explained my situation to the guys there "no experience
painting, don't want to spend a ton of $$$, etc....".  The steered me to a
Dupont paint called Nason.  It comes in approx. 20 colors.  I used frost
white on my car.  I spent all of $150 for a gallon of paint, primer, sealer
and thinner.  I could have used another 1/2 gallon of paint to put more coats
on, but hey I only paid $1000 for the car to start with.  

I really had good luck with the paint and I learned alot too.  I can walk you
around the car and tell you exactly what I did wrong where on the car.  I
have had people tell me the car looks really good ( yea well it looks a damn
sight better than it did!).  A little wet sanding is in order to really clean
things up.

Anyway you ought to check out the Nason paint.  You should be able to get all
that you need for less than $200 I would think.  Oh yea I bought my paint gun
at Wal-Mart for $30-$50, can't remember the exact price.  It was cheap
though.  If you like send me a not privately and I will give you more details
on what I did right and WRONG.

Cecil
1991 W-41

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:31:29 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes

Curt Salada wrote:

<snip>

> I haven't found any evidence for Sullivan's claim that W-29 was the
> option code in 1965.  The Olds literature reproduced in his book simply
> lists the option as "4-4-2", along with all the other options like "U35"
> (clock), "P01" (14" wheel discs), etc.  Aside from the possible
> exception of W-29 in 1965, "W" options didn't appear at all until 1968.

Well by the copies of the options and price sheets I have, here's the W
breakdown:
The W-30 first appeared in '66.  
The W-31 first appeared in '68.  
The W-32 first appeared in '69.
However, I have seen the W-29 option associated with '65 through '67 and
'72 through '79.

> "L" options typically specified a particular engine, but L-78 and L-69
> also included all of the 4-4-2 equipment, such as chassis, badges, etc.

In '64 the 4-4-2 was ordered with option code B09.  
In '65 the order code was 4-4-2.  
In '66 the L69 was the 4-4-2 performance package with the tri-power, and
the L78 was the 4-4-2 perfomance package with a 4 bbl.  
In '67 L78 was the 4-4-2 perfomance package with a 4 bbl.  
>From '68 to '71 the 4-4-2 was a seperate model, therefore L78
disappeared.
In '72 W-29 denoted the "4-4-2 Appearance and Handling Package" which
could be had with any engine and cost $29.  The 455 was L75 and added
$137.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:25:26 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Speaking of OAI hoods, they made them in '73 right? I'd like to find one
> for my Cutlass! That'd look cool! Or would there have to be some MAJOR
> fab work done?

No, they did not have OAI, but the '73 4-4-2 did have a row of louvers
in the middle of the hood.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:23:58 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: New Virginia Law and Martians

david wyatt wrote:
> 
> The few times I have been travelling through there and it rained,
> I had trouble complying.  The rain kept drowning out my matches when I
> tried to burn my headlights.  I thought it would have been better to
> turn them on for visibility, but what do I know?

Duct tape flares to the front bumper?

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:34:20 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Columbus OH Classifieds

1965 F-85 2dr, 225 V6, Jetaway, 86+k, 3rd owner $1800 (614) 784-9461

1968 Delta 88 4dr, hi compression 455 F block, w/ C heads, VGC, ps, pb
$2500 Grove City, OH (614) 875-8213

1969 442 frame on resto, #'s match, V8, ps, pb, red & black $9995 (614)
342-1342

1974 Hurst Olds, rare car, needs (to be) restored $1000 firm  Thornville,
OH (614) 323-0666





Paul Fikaris
fikaris@en.com
'69 Delta 88 Conv 455

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 09:08:02 -0500
From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Subject: Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

All right, I'm back from my week in Hotlanta (didn't know I was gone did
ya?)  Anyway, I own a W-31 of the 69 vintage and some of what people are
saying is not entirely correct.  I purchased my W-31 last July from Bob
Cline, OCA advisor for 68-72 4-4-2 and W-30, so he and I both know what it
was/is.  I paid $1800 for a running, but not driveable car with a good deal
of cancer, especially in the rear quarters and trunk.  The rear bumper has
rust holes in it too.  The brakes were shot and Bob included an extra rear
seat and set of door panels.  The car had been sitting in a barn for the
last 6 yrs, did someone say mice in the interior, all the seats are shot.
It has the original drivetrain, rear, paint and ram air brackets and air
cleaner.  It was missing the ram air hoses and scoops, outside mirror,
incorrect carb.  But the most important things it had were the W-31
specific items.  Bob was telling me if the car wasn't a W-31 he would have
parted it a long time ago and got his asking price of $1800 by selling the
3:91 posi rear and special dual snorkel air cleaner.
When looking for a W-31, I believe you said it was a 69 also so this all
applies and most of it if not all applies to 68 and 70 too, it MUST have a
few certain things to be considered worthy.  This is all from the 4-4-2 and
W Machine restoration guide.  First it must have been made in Lansing, M in
the VIN.  It has manual brakes ONLY, radical cam didn't create enough
vacuum for power brakes.  The harmonic balancer is A LOT thicker than a
normal 350 balancer, about 1" as opposed to about 1/2" or 1/4".  It should
have the valves of the 455.  If you look at the valves on the head,
assuming the head is off, there will be no space between the valves,
whereas a normal 350 head has a noticeable space between the valves.
Special dual snorkle air cleaner with chrome lid.  Inner fenders have
special holes in them for air induction system, along with brackets on the
inner fenders for the hoses and scoops.  I think someone mentioned it had
red fender wells, these are incorrect for a W-31.  The ram air hood
mentioned is only correct for 70 W-31's (talking W-31's now W-30 owners).
Special carb, 69 is 7029255, 70 is 7040255 and I think 68 is 7028255.  The
book also states the car should have front AND rear sway bars with boxed
lower rear control arms like the 4-4-2.  I don't think this is correct as
it isn't present on my car.  I also looked at a copy of a W machine flyer
and for the W-31 it DID NOT state a rear sway bar, which is why I tend to
believe this is incorrect in the book, but don't necessarily take my word
for it, get under the car and check it out.  It should also have a 4 row
radiator.  I believe the manual car had 3:42 rear and the auto car 3:91,
both 12 bolts.  I've also come to find out that if the car is an auto the
code on the tranny is JO.

I've mentioned what I paid for my fairly complete W-31.  The price for some
of the items mentioned is a little low though.  Repro air cleaners from
Brothers cost $495 last time I checked, I'd guess originals are more if you
can find them.  The ram air assembly, scoops, hoses, brackets is pretty
hard to find, but I located a guy in California who says he has a complete
GM setup in boxes minus the air cleaner for $1000 (not a typo).  I do know
that Mike Siedlik (sp) has repro ram air scoops and I believe hoses for
$380(?) I don't remember the price.  Mike are you still with us or am I
hallucinating about the ram air setup.  The auto tranny is W-31 specific so
I would guess VERY hard to find not to mention replace.  Basically if it
doesn't have the W-31 specific parts it probably isn't worth rescuing
unless you know someone with the parts for sale the car is missing.

That's all I can think of right now.  If someone has any other questions
let me know and I'll try and help ya out.

BTW, I'm still looking for scoops for my W-31, would prefer originals if by
chance someone has them for sale.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
csmetana@sony.disc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 09:01:53 -0500
From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Subject: FS: 1937 Olds

I found this in a newsgroup, maybe someone needs it. Later!
Nick

> From: wiley@tarleton.edu (James Wiley)
> Subject: FS: 1937 Olds
> Date: 6 Jul 1997 14:35:22 GMT
> Organization: Texas A&M University, College Station, Texas
> 
> 1937 Oldsmobile 4 door Touring Sedan.  6 Cylinder.  Runs, drives, all
> original.  Ready to restore.  Asking $2300 OBO.
> 
> James L. Wiley
> Wiley@Tarleton.edu

     -----------------------------------------------------------
     Nick Gomez       Dallas, Texas     Live Concert Tape Trader       
     MSTie# 53344     Ska! Ska! Ska!      1965 Olds Ninety Eight               
     -----------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:55:14 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: Tourqe convertors and shift kits

Igor wrote:
> 
>         I know absolutley nothing about tourqe convertors and shift kits.  I would
> like to know was a high-stall convertor is and what is the purpose of
> installing a performance convertor and is it worth the cost.  Also, the
> same quesions apply to the shift kits.  Sorry if I sound dumb.  ( the
> transimsions I am talking about would be th250 or th200r4)
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88
> 1995 Intrepid 3.3

	A High stall torque converter lets you run a bigger camshaft without
having the converter "load up", allows your car to idle better, and can
give you the proper torque at the proper moment so you will launch
better.  
	With a bigger camshaft, you need to increase the idle so the car
doesn't stall.  It it is too low, when you step on it, the car will
die.  If it is too high, the converter will load up and not give you the
correct launch.  Picking a torque converter is done by figuring out
several different variables and should be done by a professional.  There
are hotlines out there to call for advise on which one to pick.  A new
torque converter is not worth the money, and isn't necessary, if you are
running a stock, or near stock, cam.
	
	A Shift Kit will improve the firmness and precision of the shifts when
you are shifting manualy (like in racing).  They are said to improve the
life of your transmition by not wearing out the cluch (on automatics) so
quickly.  I have a B&M Stage 2 shift kit.  I am happy with it and it
suits me fine for racing and daily driving.  My dad has installed a
stage 1 in his '89 Ford F250 truck.  It works great, almost too well, it
will load up the leaf springs, then shifting between gears, make the
truck hop, but only under hard acceleration.  One of my friends
installed the stage 3 in his racing car, but said that it shifted so
hard that the back end would break traction and he lost control.  So he
downgraded it to a stage 2.  
	Any more questions, let me know!
Brad
70 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:12:56 -0400
From: pteubel@imail.safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!

     I thought it already was a "closed" list.  Only members should be 
     allowed to post.
     
     - Pete
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: ADMIN: Don't Reply to SPAM!!
Author:  Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> at imail
Date:    7/7/97 7:48 PM


     
Recently we got hit with a spamball from some multilevel marketing 
get-rich-quick scheme. That's bad enough, but some folks replied to the 
"reply to remove" business with a reply that went to the list. Please 
don't do that. It just perpetuates the spam, causes unnnecessary list 
traffic, and probably doesn't get you off the spammer's list anyway.
     
Any sentiment here one way or another about making this a closed list? 
That is, one where only members can post? I *think* it can be done, but 
have never tried it, and don't know what problems it might cause. Any 
input greatly appreciated.
     
Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
     
     

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 11:10:00 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Well there you go Mark, I added the 2 names to the list bringing the
grand total to 42! 


________________________________________________________________________
Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442
Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    70 W30 Red
Cremean, Matt       Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    Gold'70 Supreme conv
Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    72 W30 Saddle
Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
________________________________________________________________________

Cliff McFarlane
62 Starfire Conv.
63 Starfire Coupe.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:07:47 +0100
From: "Bruce Marshall" <bruce@shore.net>
Subject: Re: 1931 owners ?

Robert:

I have a 1941 Olds.  This list seems to be dominated by muscle car folks
eh?
Picture of my car on my web page.  http://www.shore.net/~bruce/

Bruce Marshall
NAOC #151

- ----------
> From: Hebert, Robert <HEBEROB@statcan.ca>
> To: question oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: 1931 owners ?
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 1:37 PM
> 
> 
> Is there anybody out there that owns a 1931 Oldsmobile ? I own a 1931 
> Oldsmobile 4 door sedan Deluxe.
> 
> Hope to hear from anyone.
> 
> Robert Hébert
> heberob@statcan.ca

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 13:53:01 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: 1927 REO --check this out please.

hello everyone!  Tonight, I will hopefully be buying a 1927 REO 
Woverine touring car.  Can anyone tell me any information about this 
kind of car?  how many were made?  how many are still around?  where can 
i find parts?  (the car needs a total restoration)  does anyone have any 
suggestions, tips, comments, etc. to say about this?  (i'm sure many of 
you do!!)  ;)

Thanks in advance!

- --joe	-1947 olds dynamic76
	-1948 olds dynamic66
	

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 10:40:10 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Build date codes

I need your H*E*L*P guys and girls . . . for those of you with REAL W machines 
and/or Hurst/Olds' or information . . .

One thing I have been adding to the FAQ is an authentication list for 
442's, W machines and H/O's.

W machines and H/O's seem to have been made in one continuous run rather than 
throughout the production year, which means all '67 W-30's have the same two 
digit build code (found on the body tag). Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm 
looking for build date code and the line this is found on,from the body/fire 
wall/cowl tag, for the following:

'66 W-30       I have 6A, but what line? Correct?
'67 W-30
'68 W-30       I have 2A, on first line. Correct?
'69 W-30
'70 W-30       I have 3D, on third line. Correct?
'71 W-30
'72 W-30       VIN has X, but what about build date code?
'73-80 W-30    Built at once or throughout the year?

'68 W-31
'69 W-31
'70 W-31

'69 W-32
'70 W-32
'70 SX

'69 H/O        I have 5B, on third line. Correct?

The code breaks down into MONTH and WEEK OF MONTH, correct? Any others that 
should be on this list?


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 10:41:13 -0700
From: Jim Rash <jim@theriver.net>
Subject: Hurst/Olds decals

Looking for decals for a '84 Hurst/Olds and center console cover plate for
lighting rod shifter.

Thank You

Jim

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 08:55:05 -0700
From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
Subject: Re: Spamming Spammers

Just a thought, but if anyone has access to a Unix machine ...
create a file called 'screw_him'
- --------------------------
#!/usr/bin/perl
 
foreach (1 .. 1000) {
  `cat /usr/bin/perl | mail enowacki@titan.com`;
   sleep(20);
}
- --------------------------

BTW, the correct way to launch this would be
chmod +x screw_him
screw_him &

- -- 
Have you backed up your data today?
Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com

Jar Lyons
jarl@atrieva.com 
Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
600 University Street, Suite 911 
Seattle, WA  98101
Voice: (206) 749-2914,  
Fax:   (206) 382-6615
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
                       455 Rocket Powered
                'How fast do you want to go today?'
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 17:05:33 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

Jon wrote:
> 
> Eh Dave,
> 
> My mechanic has manuals with all the specs.  I don't know if he has the
> specs from '78 but I can check tomorrow. (Tuesday)
> 
> BTW:  Are you going to London?  I'm in Toronto and would like to get a
> bunch of cars together to go out there.  Let me know.
> 
> ________________________________________________________
> Jon Gulbis
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '72 Norton chopper
> 
> Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
> See my resume at:
> http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html
> 
> (Olds page soon to be constructed)
> 
> ----------
> > From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
> > To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Subject: The H.P. of a 350...
> > Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 21:43


Hey Jon,

I can't make it to London...I really wish I could, but the Olds isn't
really street-legal yet.  I have to do a complete overhaul of the
braking system, such as flex/steel lines, calipers, wheel cyl's, drums,
rotors...and so on.  I'm saving as much as possible this summer, so I
can pour it into the car, plus I'll be on a snowmobile trip in February.
"You can't make the scene if you don't got the green..."

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

"You could set my Olds on fire, or beat it 'til its dead, but I still
wouldn't trade it for an IROC-Z!"

'78 Delta 88
'85 Delta 88

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:14:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: Spamming Spammers

On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, Jar Lyons wrote:
>   `cat /usr/bin/perl | mail enowacki@titan.com`;
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You had better be prepared to prove that this person was the source. 
Sorry, but this is not acceptable here. The Olds list cannot endorse any 
such action. As far as I am aware this address is not the source of any 
spam. Do NOT mailbomb this account!!!!


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 14:21:15 -0700
From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Subject: Re: Spamming Spammers

When you create this program, please replace my e-mail address with the
address of the real spammer.  I had nothing to do with the original spam.  I
simply asked how to send an e-mail bomb to the spammer and included a snip
of the original spam for reference.

Thanks to Messrs. Gulbis and Lyons who do not care to properly read the
original spam and READ the senders address I have already received one
e-mail bomb.  Any future bombs will be forwarded to Messrs. Gulbis and
Lyons, and anyone else who recommends my e-mail address as the target for an
e-mail bomb.

BTW, since certain individuals seem to be incapable of discerning the
correct address of the spammer, I have done their homework for them, THE
CORRECT ADDRESS FOR ANY MAIL BOMBS IS:    img@llv.com  PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF IT.

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

>Just a thought, but if anyone has access to a Unix machine ...
>create a file called 'screw_him'
>--------------------------
>#!/usr/bin/perl
> 
>foreach (1 .. 1000) {
>  `cat /usr/bin/perl | mail enowacki@titan.com`;
>   sleep(20);
>}
>--------------------------
>
>BTW, the correct way to launch this would be
>chmod +x screw_him
>screw_him &
>
>-- 
>Have you backed up your data today?
>Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com
>
>Jar Lyons
>jarl@atrieva.com 
>Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
>600 University Street, Suite 911 
>Seattle, WA  98101
>Voice: (206) 749-2914,  
>Fax:   (206) 382-6615
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
>                       455 Rocket Powered
>                'How fast do you want to go today?'
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 97 16:33:01 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: AC Rapid Fire spark plug info

I received this from the hot rod list. The IMPORTANT thing is to check the 
plug length before starting the engine!

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

>the AC Rapid Fire spark
>plug (the fluted design is based on a proven modification to the
>electrode that racers have used for years) supposedly really helps
>smooth out the idle and assists in cold starts...but there in is the
>rub, AC Delco (1-800-223-3526) has zip information on the Rapid Fire
>plug heat ranges or configuration (reach/diameter/threads).  They don't
>cross reference to any platinum plugs and when cross referenced *****


You are correct!  GM/AC Delco has incorrect information on the AC Rapid
Fire spark plugs.  The plugs that they recogmended to me for my 396 had
a reach 3/8" too long!  Luckily I checked them against the plugs that I
had been using or I may have put a plug into the tops of my pistons!  I
wrote them in April of 1996 and pointed out several of their cross
reference mistakes, but as of June 1997 many of the listed cross
references are still incorrect and incompleat!

The Rapid Fire plugs are great, I use them and like them better than
the Bosch Platinums and the NGK's but the the GM information at the
dealers and at AC Delco is worse than no information, it is incorrect
information.  I hope that they spend the time and effort to correct and
expand their information on these great spark plugs.  As for now, you
are "on your own"!  Too bad.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 16:01:58 -0700
From: The Stevens Family <mws@homemail.com>
Subject: '79 Cutlass 260 Rough Idle

Maybe someone out there can give me some advice on a problem I am
experiencing with my '79 Cutlass.  For years it has always been a hard
starting car in the morning, acting like the carb has no gas and idled
rough.  I put a rebuilt carb on last month which solved some surging
and flooding problems I had but it still acts like it has no gas in
the morning and idles rough.  I have checked the EGR and currently
have it blocked off with a plate.  I put on new wires and put in new
plugs.  I checked the distributor cap and rotor and they looked fine.
I have tried adjusting the idle mixture to no avail.  I have replaced
all of the vacuum lines and tightened all fittings.  I also pulled off
the intake and resealed it.   The idle problem does not occur when the
carb is choked in the morning, but then again it is on fast idle and
the problem doesn't show up off idle.  Is there something I'm
missing?  I am quite experienced with Oldsmobile engines and have
never run up on a problem like this one before.  Any help would be
appreciated.

Mark Stevens
Seattle, Wa
mws@gte.net
'67 Cutlass Supreme 2dr ht
'69 442 ht
'79 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 2dr
'86 Ninety Eight Regency Brougham 4dr

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 10:56:12 -0700
From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity

Where did you get this idea???  
I asked how to send an e-mail bomb to the spammer, and included a SNIP of
the original message.  I had absolutely nothing to do with the spam.

Please look at the original spam and send future e-mail bombs to the REAL
SPAMMER.

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

>In case anyone was wondering, his email address is: enowacki@titan.com
>________________________________________________________
>Jon Gulbis
>'85 Cutlass Supreme
>'72 Norton chopper
>
>Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
>See my resume at: 
>http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html
>
>(Olds page soon to be constructed)
>
>----------
>> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
>> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 19:03
>> 
>> >"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
>> >
>> >The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the 
>> >hip boots to wade through the mire.
>> >
>> Could someone please post the details of mailbombing this, and other,
>> miserable spammer??
>> 
>> Not that I or anyone on this list would actually use such knowledge to
>hurt
>> someones livelihood, but it would be good to have as reference
>information
>> only  :-)
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> Erik Nowacki
>> 1972 Vista Cruiser
>> 
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:11:50 -0300
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.

Local guy found reputed original '66 tri-carb car, cheap, needs rust repair,
has all the TC parts, is '66 442... $??

Can anyone hilp tell me how what to look for to determine if the car was one of
the "54"?  I hear it has NO OAI, no numbered chrome air cleaner... so that
means it's one of the >54, exact # unknown, less-than-W30 cars, right?

Please send replies to me directly, digging thru the digest to find replies
will take days...

He also has or had a parts '67 Cutlass for about $300, more than I can swing
right now... mid-South MI area, if anyone's interested.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:14:59 -0300
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Duals on the Delta 88...

mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:

> This is also VERY interesting to me as well, because I _also_ own a '78
> Olds Delta 88, and wish to add dual exhaust as well!  The only thing is
> that I'm in California and it is considered illegal to modify the stock
> system (but there are LEGAL ways to get around it) even if it runs
> cleaner.
> 
> I was told that an A-body x-member wouldn't work, but that I could take
> a x-member off of a late 80's full size f*rd and make it work (because
> they had optional dual exhaust from factory)  If push comes to shove I
> would have the X-membet modified, or maybe just route both pipes over to
> the right side and keep my single in/single out 2.75" catalyst
> (monolithic replacment, no pellets for me!)
> 
> Exhaust pipe size itself is now the limiting factor, I can't make up my
> mind wether to use 2.25" or 2.5"..  I know I want to put a strong motor
> in this car sometime (I may go down this Sat and look for a 403 or a
> 455 at the boneyard, see if I can get it on a half-off day!) and I'm
> afraid of choking the engine or killing my low-end torque.
> 
> Mike Jones
> '78 Olds 88


I did a little bit of researching in the Canadian Highway Traffic Act,
and if I were to go to duals, I would have to have dual catalytics.  I
was even pondering going to "fake" dual exhausts--I would off the
factory exhausts behind the catalytic, and then McGyver up some way to
run dual pipes and mufflers (glasspacks) from there.  I know it's legal,
but would it be worth the effort?  I know the power wouldn't improve,
I'm just curious about the sound...I want it to sound like a true SB V8,
not like a hairdryer.  

That method would save a lot of headaches, and a pile of dough ($).

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

"You could set my Olds on fire, or roll it down a hill, but I still
wouldn't trade it for a Coupe DeVille."

'78 Delta 88 (350)
'85 Delta 88 (307)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:30:48 -0300
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307

Igor wrote:
> 
>         Would getting headers for my stock 307 Delta 88 improve performance and by
> how much.  Also how much would it cost.  And/or would a edelbrock carb do
> enaugh good to be $450 canadian worth.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88
> 1995 Intrepid 3.3

Hello again, Igor:

Yes, edelbrock carbs are my personal favourite, but a performance carb
wouldn't be my first choice in beefing up a car.  Yes, headers would be
an excellent thing to have...good luck finding them.  I've looked all
over for a set for my '78 Delta 88, and nobody makes them.  The price of
an average set of Hedman headers is just under $200 (CDN), which is
pretty good, considering how much performance and deep-throat sounf
you'll get from them.  If you can find them, buy them!  Then let me know
where you found them...

If you don't mind a choppy idle and neck-snapping engagement, I suggest
you go with a peformance canmshaft and torque converter.  A performance
cam will open and close the valves much quicker, and hold them open a
little longer, which lets the combustion chambers breathe better.  But
if you install a cam that is far above the factory one, you'll need a
torque converter with a higher "stall' RPM.  There are two reasons for
this;  one, it won't engage until the engine has started the powerband,
giving you quicker accelleration.  Two, a wicked cam has to idle higher
than a factory one, otherwise the engine will bog off the line, or cough
out.  Wouldn't that look sweet...getting blown away by a Geo or Miata. 
A camshaft would likely run around $200 (CDN), and a t-converter with a
2200-2700 stall could easily cost $300 (CDN), maybe more.  It all
depends on the name brand, really.  But I'd stay away from no-name
engine parts, personally.

What does your 307 have for a carb?  The factory Quadrajet?  Once you
drop in a cam and t-converter, THEN throw on that Edelbrock carb, with a
paper filter to allow more air flow.  Mix that with the 4.11 rear-end
gears we talked about...you'd notice quite a difference.  She'd be a pig
on gasoline, though...you said you wanted high MPG's...how about high
HP's and FT/LBS instead?

If I can do anything else, just ask away...

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

"You could paint my Olds purple, or beat it with all your force, but I
still wouldn't trade it for a nine-eleven PORSCHE!"

'78 Olds Delta 88 (350)
'85 Olds Delta 88 (307)

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:11:53 -0300
From: John Oder <jaoder@NAVIX.NET>
Subject: Suggestions on electronic Ignition replacement

Hi All,

My 70 SX is equipped with some kind of aftermarket ignition, the label
has faded and I cannot read what type.  It has a stock dist. with a mag.
pickup install and a control box mounted on the fender.  Well while I
was checking the oil today I noticed a small problem, this unit is open
in the back the electronics are sealed in some kind of plastic or
silicon type stuff.  The problem is its melting and running down the
fender, I don't know if its engine heat or not.  I supect not because we
drove it a 1000 miles in 80 -95 degree weather and it was fine, I think
the unit is getting ready to die and is getting hot.  So I am going to
be looking for a replacement system and need some input on what to buy.

Thanks,

John Oder
70 Cutlassc SX W-32
70 Cuda 383 Convertable (clone)
73 Dodge Challenger Rallye

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 14:13:19 -0400
From: Jay Britt <jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Subject: Re: 70 SX W-32 For Sale

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> If you all wondering why, last night I purchased a 54,000 original mile 67
> W-30 Trac-Pac car, and tonight I purchased a 75,000 original mile 67 Cutlass
> Supreme Post Coupe. Ain't got any more room Greg!

2 '67's , You lucky dog! ;-)

Jay
'67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:04:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Digest 742 ideas

> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2

Well, you could add me...

Witt, Chris, et. al   RS Home Capsule    allatime   Not sure yet...
                      1303 W. Miller Rd.
                      Lansing, MI 48911

Speaking of which, seems I got all carried away and registered 5, yep, five
cars, and have not ONE yet actually drivable. :-(

So.... if anyone comes & needs a "slot" you can just, er, [waxes into John
Lovitz' Liar imitation...] sign over your title to me and I'll get you in.
I'll sell it right back to ya after the meet. Yeah, really I will! :-) That's
the Ticket!
  Really, I do have a slot or 2 open at this time but if the convertible rolls,
it gets precedence.

BTW, coupla things you MIGHT want to look into if you are cruising around
here... West end of Jolly Rd., right before it goes down to the river... on the
Left is the crustbucket '69 98 convertible parts car. Make him an offer? He
thought my offer of $250 was too low.
  Also- REOlds' gravesite/ family mausoleum... pay one's respects, etc. On Mt
Hope Rd, just East of Pennsylvania, Just W/ Aurelius, just S/ 496 hiway. Hey-
have the list folks meet there!?
  And... on US27, just N/ Lansing, conveniently on the way to the RS "farm",
on the west side of the road at an old once-fuel station.. is a clean White 67
98 LS... I always enjoy seeing it on the way back home, esp. after dark as it
usually is, in the light there it looks so stately, so ghostlike. Older lady
owns it, not even interested in selling.

> Hey Todd!
>                 I would suggest that you find/solicit someone who has an HEI
> with your particular manifold because I know for a fact that it won't fit
> with the Edelbrock O4B.
>                                                    Ron Forsee 65 442_Meister

So, if you're using MSD for spark, why not use a regular pts-style dist'r,
fitted with the HEI p/u coil or similar aftermarket parts? Fits, looks stock if
MSD box is hidden.... I messed around with fitting HEI p/u coil to older
dist'r, looked like it'd work, with some machine work. I'm sure kits are
available however.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:03:27 -0400
From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Subject: Re: Parting out '75 Olds 98

Regarding the tilt wheel, is it tilt & telescopic?  If so, I may be
interested

David Betz
dbetz@netwalk.com


- ----------
> From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Parting out '75 Olds 98
> Date: Saturday, June 28, 1997 8:25 PM
> 
> All,
> 
> In my meager attempt to save or improve as many oldsmobiles as I can, I
just
> pulled home a '75 98 parts car.  The car is complete now but won't stay
that
> way.  I know the parts draw isn't as large as the 442's/Cutlasses but
> nevertheless it seems when I need something, someone happened to have one
> but threw it out not too long before I asked.  Here's the deal.  All
parts
> are going to go cheap!!!  I traded some VW parts for the car and am
merely
> trying to recoop the $$$ I had in the VW parts.  I don't want to get into
a
> big shipping/or stripping deal with large parts, but if someone really
needs
> something I will do so. I can probably even bring them to Lansing.    The
> car has a 455 (was running but hasn't in the last year) TH-400, power
> windows, AC, cruise, etc....  Full set of '98 hubcaps and wheels
.(actually
> look pretty good), good grilles, nice header panel, good trunklid, tilt
> wheel.  The doors and quarters are either dinged and/or rusted.  The
front
> left fender is still repairable but has 1 ding and 1 rust spot.  Most
marker
> and tail lights are also good.  If you want parts, e-mail me with your
needs
> and I will try and help you out.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Kevin Hoopingarner
> '70 Olds 442 W-30
> Findlay OH.

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:46:17 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

Wow, good explanation and detail. It's been a while since I saw that car
and most if not everything I said was from memory. I need to see the car
again to be positively sure. O.k. you won't hear another word about this
W-31 until I check this car out again, some day...

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Chris R. Smetana[SMTP:Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, July 08, 1997 10:08 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A
> RAMROD?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> All right, I'm back from my week in Hotlanta (didn't know I was gone
> did
> ya?)  Anyway, I own a W-31 of the 69 vintage and some of what people
> are
> saying is not entirely correct.  I purchased my W-31 last July from
> Bob
> Cline, OCA advisor for 68-72 4-4-2 and W-30, so he and I both know
> what it
> was/is.  I paid $1800 for a running, but not driveable car with a good
> deal
> of cancer, especially in the rear quarters and trunk.  The rear bumper
> has
> rust holes in it too.  The brakes were shot and Bob included an extra
> rear
> seat and set of door panels.  The car had been sitting in a barn for
> the
> last 6 yrs, did someone say mice in the interior, all the seats are
> shot.
> It has the original drivetrain, rear, paint and ram air brackets and
> air
> cleaner.  It was missing the ram air hoses and scoops, outside mirror,
> incorrect carb.  But the most important things it had were the W-31
> specific items.  Bob was telling me if the car wasn't a W-31 he would
> have
> parted it a long time ago and got his asking price of $1800 by selling
> the
> 3:91 posi rear and special dual snorkel air cleaner.
> When looking for a W-31, I believe you said it was a 69 also so this
> all
> applies and most of it if not all applies to 68 and 70 too, it MUST
> have a
> few certain things to be considered worthy.  This is all from the
> 4-4-2 and
> W Machine restoration guide.  First it must have been made in Lansing,
> M in
> the VIN.  It has manual brakes ONLY, radical cam didn't create enough
> vacuum for power brakes.  The harmonic balancer is A LOT thicker than
> a
> normal 350 balancer, about 1" as opposed to about 1/2" or 1/4".  It
> should
> have the valves of the 455.  If you look at the valves on the head,
> assuming the head is off, there will be no space between the valves,
> whereas a normal 350 head has a noticeable space between the valves.
> Special dual snorkle air cleaner with chrome lid.  Inner fenders have
> special holes in them for air induction system, along with brackets on
> the
> inner fenders for the hoses and scoops.  I think someone mentioned it
> had
> red fender wells, these are incorrect for a W-31.  The ram air hood
> mentioned is only correct for 70 W-31's (talking W-31's now W-30
> owners).
> Special carb, 69 is 7029255, 70 is 7040255 and I think 68 is 7028255.
> The
> book also states the car should have front AND rear sway bars with
> boxed
> lower rear control arms like the 4-4-2.  I don't think this is correct
> as
> it isn't present on my car.  I also looked at a copy of a W machine
> flyer
> and for the W-31 it DID NOT state a rear sway bar, which is why I tend
> to
> believe this is incorrect in the book, but don't necessarily take my
> word
> for it, get under the car and check it out.  It should also have a 4
> row
> radiator.  I believe the manual car had 3:42 rear and the auto car
> 3:91,
> both 12 bolts.  I've also come to find out that if the car is an auto
> the
> code on the tranny is JO.
> 
> I've mentioned what I paid for my fairly complete W-31.  The price for
> some
> of the items mentioned is a little low though.  Repro air cleaners
> from
> Brothers cost $495 last time I checked, I'd guess originals are more
> if you
> can find them.  The ram air assembly, scoops, hoses, brackets is
> pretty
> hard to find, but I located a guy in California who says he has a
> complete
> GM setup in boxes minus the air cleaner for $1000 (not a typo).  I do
> know
> that Mike Siedlik (sp) has repro ram air scoops and I believe hoses
> for
> $380(?) I don't remember the price.  Mike are you still with us or am
> I
> hallucinating about the ram air setup.  The auto tranny is W-31
> specific so
> I would guess VERY hard to find not to mention replace.  Basically if
> it
> doesn't have the W-31 specific parts it probably isn't worth rescuing
> unless you know someone with the parts for sale the car is missing.
> 
> That's all I can think of right now.  If someone has any other
> questions
> let me know and I'll try and help ya out.
> 
> BTW, I'm still looking for scoops for my W-31, would prefer originals
> if by
> chance someone has them for sale.
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> csmetana@sony.disc.com
> 
> 1969 Cutlass W-31
> 2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
> 1971 Skylark custom convertable
> 1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
> 
> 
> 

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End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #740a
********************************


oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, July 9 1997       Volume 01 : Number 741a



Windshield swap
ADMIN: No Spammers Here
Thermostat and fan clutch
Measuring radius of stripe curves.
Re: Rear End Ration quesion and problem
list
Re: 1927 REO --check this out please.
'59 Oldmobile
Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Re: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307
Re: 1931 owners ?
Re: Regarding a stereo system
Re: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd
Re: Lansing where are you?
RE: found parts for G-body Cutlass
Re: TH200R4 or whatever the overdirve is called
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Re: 1927 REO --check this out please.
Re: interior vinyl for bucket seats
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: TH200R4 or whatever the overdirve is called
Re: Regarding a stereo system
Re: Regarding a stereo system
Re: Still Snakebit...  ;-)
Fw: Home-based Business Opportunity
Re: Spamming Spammers
UNBOUNCE: Digest 742 Ideas
100th Anniversary of Olds at Lansing
Re: Hurst/Olds decals
Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes
Re:1968 Delta Custom
Re: Cheap paint recommendations?
Re: Bad Weekend
Re: Tourqe convertors and shift kits
Help!!!  I need a set of Heads or a good C in DC

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:41:27 -0400
From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Subject: Windshield swap

Hi all
I was wondering if a windshield out of an 81 grand prix will fit into my
81 Cutlass Supreme??? I was told any full size Gm car windshield would
fit. 
Thanks
Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme (under construction)
80 Mustang (winter beater haha)
80 Camaro (almost gone)

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:45:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: No Spammers Here

It has been brought to my attention that a member of this list has been
cited as being the source of the spamming that occurred recently. I have
checked the original message and can confirm that no member of the Olds
list was the source. Such action would be cause for instant removal from
the list. 

A few members erroneously replied to the spam message and caused it to be 
reposted to the list. While such errors are regrettable they are not 
cause for removal. Again, please do not reply to such messages.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:15:02 -0500
From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Subject: Thermostat and fan clutch

Does anyone know what the correct fan clutch and thermostat are for
a 69 Cutlass with a 350 and a/c?

A local parts store gave me these choices.

Fan Clutch:    Non-thermal
          Thermal
          Thermal with extra cooling

Thermostat:    160 degree
          180 degree
          195 degree


Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 17:13:41 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Measuring radius of stripe curves.

Hi all,

Will anyone assist me in this?  I'm trying to measure the radius of the
curves on the stripes on my 69 H/O.  I think I remember from geometry
classes about 200 years ago, but it is baffling me right now.  Maybe I'm
not in the right frame of mind for this.........I think I'll have a beer
and relax.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 19:24:10 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Rear End Ration quesion and problem

Igor wrote:
> 
>         I have got a 1981 Delta 88 with a 307, th 250 and a 2.73 rear end.  I
> don't even have to tell you how slow this thing is off the line.  I would
> like to have a 350 motor but don't want to do it because I would like to
> prove some of mine rice burner friends that this motor can do it.  I was
> thinking to change the transmition to a th200r4 (overdrive).  I know this
> tranny is not great but that is all I could afford from a junk yard.
> Consequently, I would like to raise the Rear End Ration to maybe 3.43 or
> 3.73.  Would this make the Delta faster off the line?.  The only reason why
> I want the overdrive is to be able to raise the rear end and still have
> decent mpg.  How would milege and engine ware differ from the current
> setup.  Any suggestions are helpful.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88
> 1995 Intrepid 3.3


Hi Igor,

If you want to improve the holeshot on your Delta, the best thing you
could do is play with the gear ratios.  One of the best things you could
do is go to a low-geared three speed auto trans, and a wicked set of
rear-end gears, such as 4.11's.  If you want to do this, I'd suggest
going to a limited-slip or full-posi differential, because the added
torque will smoke the tires, and let the "rice-burner" (Jap?) pull
ahead.

A friend of mine has a Chevelle (sin!) which is nothing more than a
"play" car.  He's got a 350 with a 3spd. auto, stage 2 shift-kit, and a
set of 5.88's in the rear end.  When that thing shifts into 3rd, it can
still kick it sideways, just because of the sheer torque.

The lower you go in gear ratios, the higher the torque, which is the
force required to get the car moving off the line. But remember--the
lower rear-end you have, the higher RPM you'll have in top gear, and
that will sacrifice your fuel efficency.  My friend's Chevelle can't go
past ninety miles an hour, because the tach needle is resting at almost
5500rpm.  But it's a killer off the line...

You said that your Delta has the four-speed auto (overdrive) trans,
right?  Does it use/burn any transmission fluid, or anything silly like
that?  Believe it or not, the 4th gear planetary cluster is
plastic-coated (so I'm told), just to make it smoother and quieter.  I'd
be careful just how much torque you put to this tranny, especially if
it's a high-miler, like my '85 Delta.  Four-speed trannies are known to
be weak(er), that's why most racers run a two-speed Powerglide, just
because they're stronger, and there's less shifting involved.

I think I've answered your question, but if there's anything else, just
ask. I was a Co-op student at a local GM dealership, and that's where I
met the guy with the "holeshot" Chevelle.  He was the transmission
mechanic there...

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

"You could set my Olds on fire, or beat it 'til it's dead, but I still
wouldn't trade it for an IROC-Z!"

1978 Olds Delta 88 (350)
1985 Olds Delta 88 (307)

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:28:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: MLyons8884@aol.com
Subject: list

I signed up for this mailing list last week and have not received anything
exdept the welcome post.  If you could check and see what happened I would
appreciate it.
Thanks Chris

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 18:32:38 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: 1927 REO --check this out please.

- ----------
> From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 1927 REO --check this out please.
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 1:53 PM
> 
> hello everyone!  Tonight, I will hopefully be buying a 1927 REO 
> Woverine touring car.  Can anyone tell me any information about this 
> kind of car?  how many were made?  how many are still around?  where can 
> i find parts?  (the car needs a total restoration)  does anyone have any 
> suggestions, tips, comments, etc. to say about this?  (i'm sure many of 
> you do!!)  ;)
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> --joe	-1947 olds dynamic76
> 	-1948 olds dynamic66
> 	
This sounds like one for the Wiz. Where is he?
Walter

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Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2025 19:36:57 -0400
From: "Yugo" <caroline@nrtco.net>
Subject: '59 Oldmobile

Hi!  I am a brand new user of the net and not quite sure what I am doing. 
One of the first things I would like to do is get information (any and all)
on a 59 Olds (98 I think).  My hubby has been posted to Yugoslavia for 6
(long) months and he owns such a monster.  I would like to get some
information on restoring, technical and whatever so that can send it to him
since he plans to restore his car upon his return.  

I am not sure how to "surf" for info and I would appreciate any info you
have.

Thanks,



Yugo.

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:53:04 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

At 09:15 AM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>No
>> 
>> Actually this car had an automatic tranny so no extra points or money
>> for that matter, unless they had a special tranny put in, did they?

Well, the TH350 transmission used in that application has a special code,
and supposedly different shift characteristics, so it might be valuable to
someone restoring a W-31 where the original transmission had been changed.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 20:53:07 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307

At 02:40 AM 7/8/97 -0600, you wrote:
>	Would getting headers for my stock 307 Delta 88 improve performance and by
>how much.  Also how much would it cost.  

Unless your stock exhaust system was posing a restriction on airflow, moving
to headers would not improve performance significantly. Increase noise, yes,
but a louder car is not necessarily a faster car (though it may feel so). If
you went to headers, you'd also have to change the transmission crossmember,
and add an exhaust system on the other side of the car. Probably about $600
by the time you're done.

>And/or would a edelbrock carb do
>enaugh good to be $450 canadian worth.

It wouldn't do enough good to be worth $50. Again, the problem is not that
your carb or exhaust is too small; the restrictions lie in the vavle/port
size, the lift and duration of the camshaft, and most significantly, the
highway rear gears that keep your engine revving much lower than any speed
at which you can take advantage of those modifications.

Change gears, add a K&N filter, a turbo muffler, and if you still want more
power, add a cam and port the heads. If you still want more power, install a
350 or 455.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 03:35:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: SPotter596@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1931 owners ?

My friend has a beautiful 31 in mint condition under cover for 40 yrs. He
also has a shell sitting in 8' of blackberries of a 31 4 door(suicide) I am
unsure what is left on it? The owner just recently died and I am good friends
with his son. His preoccupation
was a 64 lincoln rag top w/suicide. Neet place to visit dodge brothers sreen
side delivery under cover and all there, model a's an t's and even a
studebaker. The cream is the olds, and for that matter, the one sitting
amongst the foliage.

If you ever in the northwest, I could easily get you in to look.
Car has the deluxe three spare tire kit and running motor(though have never
heard it)

Steve Potter
65 F-85 deluxe w/67 cutlass 400
65 cutlass
50 ch*v deluxe(beat me with a bowtie)

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 20:31:31 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding a stereo system

> >
> > Ever since I changed the alternator I have been getting vary poor base
> > response.
> > I checked all the conections and concluded that it is eirther the
> > nature of the RCA input to create a poping noise...
> 
> By "poor bass response" do you mean weak bass or do you have a popping
> noise?  ...or both?  In either case, if you have the same problem with
> the motor not running, it doesn't seem like something you could blame on
> the altenator.
> 
> If you have WEAK bass, you might have a reversed phasing.  Double check
> the wiring that all channels are wired with the same "polarity".  Also
> consider jumping around the equalizer -- just in case it a dud -- since
> the problem also started when it was installed.
> 
> > ...what kind of conection shoul RCA wires provide (i was always under
> > the impression that it should be better)
> 
> Bettter than what?  RCA connectors are low power connectors, not really
> suitable for output connections to speakers -- except maybe with small
> amps -- but they should work.


I ~think~ what's happening here with the RCA question is that the preamp
signal to the EQ has been converted from speaker  (hi level) to RCA(low
level).  For any and all preamp wiring, I ~only~ recommend low level
inputs.  Running the speaker to RCA convertors is a certain cause of
problems.  If the deck does not have RCA outputs, get one that does. 
Period.  When running a high power system, that's the only proper way to
start.  If the system lost power when you installed the alternator,
perhaps you fouled up a connection up there, like the main power wire
from the battery to the amp.  If this is a ~true~ high quality 300W X 4
Amp  (which is highly unlikely, unless it ~barely~ fits in your trunk)
then you should be running some tree-trunk sized power cable straight to
it.  If we're talking 300W total, then 8 ga. power cable should be a
minimum.  The amp's ground should be of the same gauge (or larger) as
the power wire.  A good, clean, solid ground is crucial to any high
performance car audio system.  

What is the nature of the popping you discuss?  Is it engine noise?  Is
it system noise?  Any clues?  Double check the integrity of the grounds
at the deck ~and~ EQ.  These both need to be as close to perfect as you
can get.  (You ~can~ get away with much less, but for the process of
chasing noises, you want to know it's the best it can be)  The
connection should be at a solid metal portion of the car (often the
lower dash support) and should be wire brushed to a good bare metal
surface before bolting it down.  It should be tight, also.  Make sure
the battery has a good ground.  It should be grounded to the engine
~and~ to the body.  All these connections should be equally prepared and
clean.  It's often a good idea to make sure the engine's grounded to the
firewall, also.  I like to run a ground to the frame also, but that's
not 100% necessary.  

Make sure your RCA cables are of a good, shielded nature.  That cheap
VCR dubbing cable you find at K-Mart won't cut it.  Go with a good name
brand like Soundquest or Phoenix Gold, or Scosche, etc.  They're
~big~time pricey, but they're worth it.  If the popping is a turn on
thump, you may have to live with it, or upgrade the violating piece of
equipment.  Many entry level EQ's will do this.  (Many amps will too,
for that matter...)  

As for the bass response, does the EQ have a crossover that may be set
wrong?  Are you using high pass outputs to run a sub amp?  What size
speakers are you running, and how are they mounted/boxed, etc?

Oh, and when you run that power cable from the battery, make sure to use
good connectors, and keep some sort of fuse device (circuit breakers are
my favorite, but they're big $$$) within 18 inches of the battery (IASCA
standard) The closer the better.  It's for your protection, not the
stereo's.  

Check through this stuff, and if you still need answers, fire away. 
This is what I do for a living, so...  Hey, if your in the Montana area,
just swing it by!  :)  (Yeah right, I'm ~right on the way~ to absolutely
nowhere, but...

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 22:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: ignition,doors, and trunk key/lock replacements

In a message dated 97-07-08 19:28:30 EDT, you write:

> > I need to replace the ignition key, the doors, and trunk locks and key
>  > on my 64 olds.  Does anyone have a source for such a set?  anyone ever
>  > do this before?

Last time I checked the local auto parts store had these.  If that isn't
successful try a Olds dealership or Year One Inc.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:59:25 -0300
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

In a message dated 97-07-08 00:52:15 EDT, you write:

<< At 10:16 PM 7/6/97, Chris Matthes wrote:
 >
 >>- - - - - - - - - - -
 >>Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
 >>93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
 >>TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
 >>Mobil 1 fluids, Licence plate: 1FST93Z.....14.165@98.70 before listed mods
 >>Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
 >>80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
 >>75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)
 >>
 >this is more info than we really need about you!
 
 Sorry.
 
 and this is my shortened version ;-) Thats why there is cut and paste and
 the delete key.....don't like it don't look. I made a shortened version for
 you though
 
 J.L.
 1-fast chevy
 3-slow oldsmobiles
  >>

GOOD JOB JASON, LIVE AND LET LIVE

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:50:23 -0300
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd

Yes. I now have the set date as to when I will start ordering PARTS.
Phase 1 involves the cam/lifters, springs/retainers, rods, locks, and
timing set. Phase 4 will bleed into Phase 1 when Hooker headers are put
on. Then, with that beast uncapped, I'll drive through Toledo about 1/2
mile to the muffler shop. This is where Phase 4 will be finished. Mark's
will be installing 2 1/4" dual exhaust and 3 chamber Flowmasters.
Lastly, Phase 2 will be a go. The body work. Thus comes the eternal
question... one racing stripe or two?

These phases are out of order here, but not on my original priority
sheet.
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:16:09 -0300
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

In a message dated 97-07-08 03:36:27 EDT, you write:

<< > Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
 > Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
 > Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
 > Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442 
 > Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
 > Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
 > Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
 > Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
 > Cremean, Matt       Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
 > Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
 > Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
 > Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
 > Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
 > Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
 > Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
 > Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
 > Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
 > Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
 > Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
 > Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
 > Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
 > Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    Gold'70 Supreme conv
 > Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
 > McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
 > Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
 > O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
 > Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
 > Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
 > Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
 > Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
 > Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
 > Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
 > Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
 > Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
 > Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
 > Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
 > Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
 > 
 > ________________________________________________________________________
 > 
 > Cliff McFarlane
 > 62 Starfire Conv.
 > 63 Starfire Coupe.
  >>
I thought my message got through but
Prince, Mark K.     Clubhouse Inn   8/19-24     Saddle Bronze 72 442 W-30
Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn   8/19-24      Matador Red    70 442 W-30
Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn   8/20-23     Rally Red        70 Cutlass
S
Lamb, Aaron         Clubhouse Inn    8/20-23      Matador Red    72 Cutlass
Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn   8/20-23      Matador Red    71 Cutlass S
Thomas, Robert      Clubhouse Inn   8/22           Orange 69 442 W-32
Roberts, Rick         Clubhouse Inn    8/22          Hurst Olds      1972
Just a few names to add

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 19:50:38 -0300
From: Albert Levi Ball <alball@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: found parts for G-body Cutlass

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hey i know this is kinda on the late side but do you have that rear end gear/case?

Levi Ball
1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic
OCA Member
TGCC Member

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From:	Barnacle Bill [SMTP:wreilly@acad.bryant.edu]
Sent:	Thursday, April 10, 1997 7:14 PM
To:	oldsmobile
Subject:	found parts for G-body Cutlass


I found an '88 Cutlass Supreme Classic in a salvage yard yesterday that
has some potentially usefull stuff.  I don't really need any of it so if
someone wants me get anything for them please let me know.

Dark blue sport steering wheel
dark blue remote right sport mirror
Rallye Pac with shift indicator for overdrive
also found another Rallye Pac in different Cutlass
T-Tops, both seemed in good shape
Limited slip diff with 2.56 gears (I might take this but not sure yet)
Sail panel script, CutlassSupremeClassic 
Owners manuals

This yard is just outside Providence, RI.

Contact me at wreilly@acad.bryant.edu

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 15:25:11 -0300
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: TH200R4 or whatever the overdirve is called

>	First of all, what is the transmision in a 1981-1984 Delta 88 307 and 1981
>-1987 Cultass 307 ( I assume it is the th200r4).  Would the overdrive
>transmision from the Cutlass in the years metioned fit in place of a 1981
>th250 3 speed on a 1981 Delta 88.
>

If the tranny is behind an olds 307 and it's an overdrive, then it is a
2004R.  You can make sure the tranny is a 2004R just by checking underneath
the car.  The best way to identify it is by it's pan shape.  It's oblong
with two sumps, a large sump towards the front, and a smaller sump directly
behind it.  The pan also has the word "metric" or something like that
stamped in it.  It's the only tranny with a pan that shape.  Another good
way to identify it is that it does not have a removeable tailshaft, the
whole case is just one casting.  BTW, 2004Rs built after 1984 tend to be
better transmissions.  They are slightly stronger, so try and get one of
thoes if you can.  

I think 81 Deltas were availible with a 2004R, so it should bolt in place
with no problem.  You may have to swap transmission mounts and you might
need the throttle valve cable bracket off of the cutlass. The slip yoke for
the 2004R *might* be different than the 250, so you might have to change
them.  You may also need a different legnth driveshaft if the 200-4R is a
different legnth than the 250.  If the trannys are the same legnth then
you're good to go.  Either way it'd be an easy swap once you find the parts.
It took me and a buddy about one day to perform the swap on my `72 Vista
Cruiser.

>I know absolutley nothing about tourqe convertors and shift kits.  I would
>like to know was a high-stall convertor is and what is the purpose of
>installing a performance convertor and is it worth the cost.

By definition the stall speed of a converter is the maximum RPM the torque
converter will allow the engine to spin with the rear wheels immoble(i.e.
brakes fully applied with the gas pedal to the floor).    So, the higher the
stall speed, the more the converter slips and allows the engine rpms to pick
up.  If you have a converter that stalls at 3000 rpm, then you can actually
leave the line with the engine spinning 3000 rpm, where it's able to
develope more power.  Most stock converters stall around 1200-1500 RPM.
"High stall" is just a general term for any torque converter with a stall
speed that's more than stock.  A stall speed between 2000-3000 rpm is good
for the street.  Any more than that and economy really starts to suffer.
The cheapest high-stall converter I've been able to find for a 2004R is
$125.  It's rated at roughly 2200 RPM and still keeps the lockup feature for
economy.  At that price the performance gains would probably be worth it,
you would notice the difference in acceleration.  Economy in town would
suffer a little bit but highway economy would be about the same.  

>I have got a 1981 Delta 88 with a 307, th 250 and a 2.73 rear end.  I
>don't even have to tell you how slow this thing is off the line.  I would
>like to have a 350 motor but don't want to do it because I would like to
>prove some of mine rice burner friends that this motor can do it.  I was
>thinking to change the transmition to a th200r4 (overdrive).  I know this
>tranny is not great but that is all I could afford from a junk yard. 
>Consequently, I would like to raise the Rear End Ration to maybe 3.43 or
>3.73.  Would this make the Delta faster off the line?.  

Yes.  Definitly. 

>The only reason why
>I want the overdrive is to be able to raise the rear end and still have
>decent mpg.  How would milege and engine ware differ from the current
>setup.  Any suggestions are helpful.		

Well the overdrive ratio in the 2004R is .67.  That means if you get a 3.43
rear end your final drive ratio with overdrive engaged would be 2.2981.  If
you get 3.73 gears it'd be 2.4991.  With either rearend you mileage will
stay about the same and you might even see improvement.  There will be about
the same wear on the engine and maybe a little less since it will be turning
less RPM at cruise.  

>Would getting headers for my stock 307 Delta 88 improve performance and by
>how much.  Also how much would it cost.  And/or would a edelbrock carb do
>enaugh good to be $450 canadian worth.

Don't get either, they're just not worth the cash.  Most people will agree
that headers are more annoyance than they're worth on a stock engine.
(they're noisy, rusty, require constant re-tightening, and don't last very
long)  And you probably won't notice any performance gain since plain 'ol
manifolds flow plenty for mild engines.  The edelbrock carb has snob appeal,
but a well-tuned quadrajet should work just as well and is more than enough
for an otherwise stock 307.  If emissions regulations are not enforced where
you live then you might try some of these mods:  Remove the cataltytic
converter and install a true dual exhaust,  that would net you the biggest
performance gain for the money.  If the car has a computer controlled carb
you could replace it with a quadrajet from a non-computer controlled car,
that might help a bit.  You can tinker with the timing and have the timing
advance recurved.  Or you can buy a kit (<$15) to recurve it yourself but it
takes a lot of time and a little understanding of how ignition timing works.
BTW, switching to a non-computer-controlled carb will hurt economy some.
The timing and exhaust mods will improve economy.  But, of course, your
mileage may vary. :)

Hope I was of some help.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme
  

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Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:53:23 -0300
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

At 09:25 AM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently painted my 1989 9C1 Caprice myself.  I bought the car from a local
>Police dept and it was still black & white.  I drove it for nearly a year
>like that (Got lots of looks like that ;-)).  Anyway, I went to a local paint
>supply house and explained my situation to the guys there "no experience
>painting, don't want to spend a ton of $$$, etc....".  The steered me to a
>Dupont paint called Nason.  It comes in approx. 20 colors.  I used frost
>white on my car.  I spent all of $150 for a gallon of paint, primer, sealer
>and thinner.  I could have used another 1/2 gallon of paint to put more coats
>on, but hey I only paid $1000 for the car to start with.  

Cecil,

That sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. I'll check around with what
they stock, and what it will cost me.

>I really had good luck with the paint and I learned alot too.  I can walk you
>around the car and tell you exactly what I did wrong where on the car.  I
>have had people tell me the car looks really good ( yea well it looks a damn
>sight better than it did!).  A little wet sanding is in order to really clean
>things up.

That's pretty much my intention, though the car's pretty rough right now, so
*anything* will be an improvement!

>Anyway you ought to check out the Nason paint.  You should be able to get all
>that you need for less than $200 I would think.  Oh yea I bought my paint gun
>at Wal-Mart for $30-$50, can't remember the exact price.  It was cheap
>though.  If you like send me a not privately and I will give you more details
>on what I did right and WRONG.

I'd love to hear your advice on this matter. I offer my experience so others
will learn from my mistakes, so I always appreciate when I get a chance to
learn from other's mistakes... ;)

Did the white help cover any body flaws? Like I mentioned, this car will
have some major cheapie bodywork on it until I can do it right (gotta get me
a MIG!), so I can use all the help I can get. Do you recall what other kinds
of colors were available? Was there a silver, or any orange in that lineup
that you recall?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 23:50:59 -0300
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1927 REO --check this out please.

In a message dated 97-07-08 21:03:42 EDT, you write:

> hello everyone!  Tonight, I will hopefully be buying a 1927 REO 
>  Woverine touring car.  Can anyone tell me any information about this 
>  kind of car?  how many were made?  how many are still around?  where can 
>  i find parts?  (the car needs a total restoration)  does anyone have any 
>  suggestions, tips, comments, etc. to say about this?  (i'm sure many of 
>  you do!!)  ;)
>  
>  Thanks in advance!

From the Encyclopedia of American Cars:

"Reo resulted from a 1904 arguement at Olds Motor Works, the first car
company founded by the tenacious Ransom Eli Olds.  When collegues began
pressuring him to build four and six-cylinder models that were more
substantial than his little Curved-Dash Oldsmobile, Ransom went down the
street to set up a rival concern.  By year's end, this new R. E. Olds company
was called Reo Motor Car Company,  after his initials.  Ransom got his
"revenge": through 1917, Reo outproduced Olds Motor Works."

I do not have production numbers before 1930, but in 1928 Reo produced their
best record of 29,000 cars TOTAL!  You will have a very rare car.  The '30
models had two engine options: a 60 or 80 hp I-6.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 00:44:56 -0300
From: DUKEOFBLUZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: interior vinyl for bucket seats

Call SMS Auto Fabrics @ 503-234-1175, they are located in Portland, OR and
have the correct interior material for a 73-77 Cutlass's

hope this helps,
Jeffrey Fieldsend
Board of Director for O.C.C = Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes 73-77
for membership info and to see pics from our last car show check out our web
site at:    http://members.aol.com/CUTLASCOUP/index.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 23:03:52 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Sorry, just had to change my hotel. Stupid humor.

> ________________________________________________________________________
> Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
> Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
> Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442
> Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
> Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    70 W30 Red
> Cremean, Matt       Blissfield, MI     8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
> Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
> Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
> Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
> Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
> Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    Gold'70 Supreme conv
> Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
> O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
> Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    72 W30 Saddle
> Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
> Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
> Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
> Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
> Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
> Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
> ________________________________________________________________________

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 22:04:37 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: TH200R4 or whatever the overdirve is called

Igor wrote:
> 
>         First of all, what is the transmision in a 1981-1984 Delta 88 307 and 1981
> -1987 Cultass 307 ( I assume it is the th200r4).  Would the overdrive
> transmision from the Cutlass in the years metioned fit in place of a 1981
> th250 3 speed on a 1981 Delta 88.

I don't think the 200-4R existed until '83.  It's probably the 3-speed
version, the TH-200, or maybe a TH-250.  It would likely be the lockup
torque converter version too, the TH-200C (or 250C).  Yes, a 200-4R
would fit and hold up just fine behind the 307.  You might need a
different length driveshaft (I think it's the same length as a TH-350),
and you'll definitely need some way to lock the torque converter (could
be as simple as a toggle switch if you want).

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:37:38 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Regarding a stereo system

Shielded cable (coaxial) that is used with RCA jacks is usually better than
speaker wiring due to the fact that the ground wire surrounds the hot wire
in the center shielding it from electromagnetic interference caused by your
car's ignition system; however, if you get cheap wiring, then you may have
poor quality shielding and also weak connections where the wire meets the
jack eventually resulting in a broken connection.  When you replaced your
alternator, did you also replace the spark plug wires?  If so, you may have
gotten ones that are not shielded as well as the old ones, causing
interference.  If so, put your old spark plug wires on and see if this
makes a difference.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Igor <todorovb@cadvision.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Regarding a stereo system
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 8. jûlijs 5:17
> 
> 	I've got a clarion deck 4x30W and a 4-chanell 300W amp in my car.  Ever
> since I changed the alternator I have been getting vary poor base
response.
>  At the same time I conected a equilizer and converted my conection from
a
> high-power (spk. wire from deck directly to amp) to low-power RCA type
> input.  I checked all the conections and concluded that it is eirther the
> nature of the RCA input to create a poping noise in base (i used cheap
> wal-mart wires) or that the used alternator has a problem.  If anyone
would
> know what this could be it would help and also what kind of conection
shoul
> RCA wires provide (i was always under the impression that it should be
> better)  I also checked my grounding and all the things are grounded to
the
> same point, I ground looks good.  ???????
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:41:18 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Regarding a stereo system

- ----------
> From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Regarding a stereo system
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 8. jûlijs 10:14
> 
> Igor wrote:
> > 
> > Ever since I changed the alternator I have been getting vary poor base 
> > response.
> > I checked all the conections and concluded that it is eirther the
> > nature of the RCA input to create a poping noise...
> 
> By "poor bass response" do you mean weak bass or do you have a popping 
> noise?  ...or both?  In either case, if you have the same problem with 
> the motor not running, it doesn't seem like something you could blame on 
> the altenator.
> 
> If you have WEAK bass, you might have a reversed phasing.  Double check 
> the wiring that all channels are wired with the same "polarity".  Also 
> consider jumping around the equalizer -- just in case it a dud -- since 
> the problem also started when it was installed.
> 
> > ...what kind of conection shoul RCA wires provide (i was always under 
> > the impression that it should be better)  
> 
> Bettter than what?  RCA connectors are low power connectors, not really 
> suitable for output connections to speakers -- except maybe with small 
> amps -- but they should work. 

I think he has the RCA cables going from the deck to the amp, not the
speakers.
 ________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)
>  
>     66 Toro 
> The /\   /\ and Mike
> 
> 
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:46:39 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Still Snakebit...  ;-)

The thing is, that car owners often like to thing that their cars are worth
more than they really are, and if someone tells them the truth then they
take it as a personal insult.  Some people don't want to accept facts if
they think otherwise.
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:  Still Snakebit...  ;-)
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 8. jûlijs 8:55
> 
> Greg,
> Hey don't feel bad, there are plenty of people out there getting the
> same B.S. from car owners.  I had a guy down the street from me who had
> a 68 F*rd wagon with a 390 in it.  I wanted to buy the whole car for the
> drive line.  This thing is heavily rusted and sitting on blocks and he
> wants $1000 for it.  He believes it is rare.  Another fellow down the
> street has a 68 N*va with a 6 cylinder automatic in it.  Heavy rust in
> the Quarters and doors.  It looked like a good candidate to tub out and
> turn into a drag car.  He wants $1000 for it.  He has "seen what they
> are worth in the Old Cars Price Guide."  His judgement on the car's
> condition leaves room for doubt.  And then the all time idiot who live
> south of town has a 57 Ch*vy 150 2 door sedan.  It is another good
> candidate to tub and drag due to rusted out trunk and rear frame rails.
> What price you ask?  Not for sale for any amount.  He never gets rid of
> any of his old cars, he just takes them to the woods behind his house
> where they rust in piece.  He will not even sell any parts.  Who knows
> what interesting vehicles are setting out there?  These types have to
> all die off someday and then their stuff will be sold because they can't
> take it with them. 
> 
> Lets see, a N*va for $1000 and a F*rd wagon for $1000 and both are rusty
> as h*ll.  That means my 4-4-2 is worth $20,000 if you use the factor of
> true value x 10 = Fantasy Value.  Or I can just take it out in the woods
> and let it set forever.
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> In Dana, IN, where cars are worth more.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 02:04:09 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Fw: Home-based Business Opportunity

- ----------
> From: Jon <latvis@globalserve.net>
> To: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
> Date: tre�diena, 1997. gada 9. jûlijs 2:02
> 
> Oops! I'm really sorry about that, I must have been looking at the
> properties of the wrong message.  My sincere apologies.  Unfortuantely, I
> arased the original message, but if anyone still has it, look in the
> properties/details dialog box and it will tell you a lot of information
> regarding sender/receiver, IP address, etc.
> ________________________________________________________
> Jon Gulbis
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '72 Norton chopper
> 
> Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
> See my resume at: 
> http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html
> 
> (Olds page soon to be constructed)
> 
> ----------
> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> To: latvis@globalserve.net
> Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 8. jûlijs 13:59
> 
> If you go back and READ the original spam you will see that I had nothing
> to
> do with it.  I asked the question about how to send an e-mail bomb to the
> spammer and included a SNIP of the original message.  I have already
> received one e-mail bomb as a result of you NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO WHO
> POSTED WHAT.  Any future bombs will be forwarded to your account.
> 
> Erik Nowacki
> 
> >>In case anyone was wondering, his email address is: enowacki@titan.com
> >>________________________________________________________
> >>Jon Gulbis
> >>'85 Cutlass Supreme
> >>'72 Norton chopper
> >>
> >>Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
> >>See my resume at: 
> >>http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html
> >>
> >>(Olds page soon to be constructed)
> >>
> >>----------
> >>> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> >>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >>> Subject: Re: Home-based Business Opportunity
> >>> Date: pirmdiena, 1997. gada 7. jûlijs 19:03
> >>> 
> >>> >"Get Rich Quick - Chain Letters - MLM - Millionaires"
> >>> >
> >>> >The hype on the Internet makes a person reach for the 
> >>> >hip boots to wade through the mire.
> >>> >
> >>> Could someone please post the details of mailbombing this, and other,
> >>> miserable spammer??
> >>> 
> >>> Not that I or anyone on this list would actually use such knowledge
to
> >>hurt
> >>> someones livelihood, but it would be good to have as reference
> >>information
> >>> only  :-)
> >>> 
> >>> TIA
> >>> 
> >>> Erik Nowacki
> >>> 1972 Vista Cruiser
> >>> 
> >>
> >>
> >
> 
> ----------
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 02:09:24 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Spamming Spammers

I have a handy little program (100 kb) that lets you send anonymous Emails.
 If anyone is interested in getting it, let me know.  It could be used to
spam spammers without any reprocussions.  You can even get spammers
attacking each other by giving another spammers address as the return
address.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Spamming Spammers
> Date: otrdiena, 1997. gada 8. jûlijs 11:55
> 
> Just a thought, but if anyone has access to a Unix machine ...
> create a file called 'screw_him'
> --------------------------
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>  
> foreach (1 .. 1000) {
>   `cat /usr/bin/perl | mail enowacki@titan.com`;
>    sleep(20);
> }
> --------------------------
> 
> BTW, the correct way to launch this would be
> chmod +x screw_him
> screw_him &
> 
> -- 
> Have you backed up your data today?
> Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com
> 
> Jar Lyons
> jarl@atrieva.com 
> Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
> 600 University Street, Suite 911 
> Seattle, WA  98101
> Voice: (206) 749-2914,  
> Fax:   (206) 382-6615
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>                 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
>                        455 Rocket Powered
>                 'How fast do you want to go today?'
> ------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 07:01:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Digest 742 Ideas

This one bounced because of the phrase "*dd me"... didn't know majordummy 
didn't like that one.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
To:	wittchri@pilot.msu.edu (me from myself), oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date:	Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:04:10 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2

Well, you could *dd me...

Witt, Chris, et. al   RS Home Capsule    allatime   Not sure yet...
                      1303 W. Miller Rd.
                      Lansing, MI 48911

Speaking of which, seems I got all carried away and registered 5, yep, five
cars, and have not ONE yet actually drivable. :-(

So.... if anyone comes & needs a "slot" you can just, er, [waxes into John
Lovitz' Liar imitation...] sign over your title to me and I'll get you in.
I'll sell it right back to ya after the meet. Yeah, really I will! :-) That's
the Ticket!
  Really, I do have a slot or 2 open at this time but if the convertible rolls,
it gets precedence.

BTW, coupla things you MIGHT want to look into if you are cruising around
here... West end of Jolly Rd., right before it goes down to the river... on the
Left is the crustbucket '69 98 convertible parts car. Make him an offer? He
thought my offer of $250 was too low.
  Also- REOlds' gravesite/ family mausoleum... pay one's respects, etc. On Mt
Hope Rd, just East of Pennsylvania, Just W/ Aurelius, just S/ 496 hiway. Hey-
have the list folks meet there!?
  And... on US27, just N/ Lansing, conveniently on the way to the RS "farm",
on the west side of the road at an old once-fuel station.. is a clean White 67
98 LS... I always enjoy seeing it on the way back home, esp. after dark as it
usually is, in the light there it looks so stately, so ghostlike. Older lady
owns it, not even interested in selling.

> Hey Todd!
>                 I would suggest that you find/solicit someone who has an HEI
> with your particular manifold because I know for a fact that it won't fit
> with the Edelbrock O4B.
>                                                    Ron Forsee 65 442_Meister

So, if you're using MSD for spark, why not use a regular pts-style dist'r,
fitted with the HEI p/u coil or similar aftermarket parts? Fits, looks stock if
MSD box is hidden.... I messed around with fitting HEI p/u coil to older
dist'r, looked like it'd work, with some machine work. I'm sure kits are
available however.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 17:04:00 -0400
From: jlincoln@nvl.army.mil (Jim Lincoln)
Subject: 100th Anniversary of Olds at Lansing

     
     I have a number of copies of the Lansing "Visitors Guide" for the 
     100th Celebration. There is only one article with pictures about Olds, 
     and the cover has car pictures also. 
     Copies may be available at Lansing, but they came out as part of the 
     local newspaper back in February! Why, I don't know.
     
     I will mail you a copy if you send me $5 to cover mailing. Mail me 
     your address to: Jim Lincoln 6901 Oak Ct Annandale, Va 22003

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 06:45:41 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds decals

On Jul 8, 10:41am, Jim Rash wrote:
> Subject: Hurst/Olds decals
> Looking for decals for a '84 Hurst/Olds and center console cover plate for
> lighting rod shifter.
>
> Thank You
>
> Jim
>

	Jim,

		Check out "Stencils & Stripes" in IL, there phone number is
(847) 692-6893 and you need to talk to Ralph, he should be able to help you
out.

		As far as the interior and under hood items, I can help you
with that.

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

           (drdecal@juno.com) or (mcornea@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:15:17 -0400
From: Curt Salada <csalada@astea.com>
Subject: Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes

Hello.  I wrote:

<snip>
Revisiting an earlier thread, I looked at the optional equipment sheets,
etc., reproduced in Sullivan's 4-4-2 restoration guide to find the
following option codes for 4-4-2 before it became an actual model:

1964:	B-09
1965:	"The 1965 model carried the little-known W-29 nomenclature."
(Sullivan)
1966:	w/4bbl carb L-78
	w/3x2bbl L-69
1967:	L-78

I haven't found any evidence for Sullivan's claim that W-29 was the
option code in 1965.  The Olds literature reproduced in his book simply
lists the option as "4-4-2", along with all the other options like "U35"
(clock), "P01" (14" wheel discs), etc.  Aside from the possible
exception of W-29 in 1965, "W" options didn't appear at all until 1968.
<snip>

Oops.  That *does* overlook the introduction of the W-30, everyone's
favorite option code, in 1966 and its continued offering in 1967...

Kurt Heinrich replied:

<snip>
Well by the copies of the options and price sheets I have, here's the W
breakdown:
The W-30 first appeared in '66.  
The W-31 first appeared in '68.  
The W-32 first appeared in '69.
However, I have seen the W-29 option associated with '65 through '67
<snip>

<snip>  
In '65 the order code was 4-4-2.  
<snip>

And I reply:

I suspect that W-29 really came about in 1972, and we revisionist
historians projected its use back to the mid-sixties.  Is there anyone
with a 1965 build sheet out there to confirm that the actual option code
for a 4-4-2 in 1965 was in fact "4-4-2"?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 08:10:15 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re:1968 Delta Custom

Hello all I am new to the list.........I am looking for the front turn
signal lens for a 68 Delta Custom that I am restoring. My parents bought
the car new in Nov. 67 and I now own the car. It has buckets and a 455
400th , two door. the car is in really good shape and only has 134000
miles on it. Can anyone help? Thanks Terry

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 07:58:38 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations?

hello I painted my chevy truck with the Naston paint and it looked
really good for about a year. The paint has faded and it can be waxed
out but it will only hold a shine for about 3 weeks!. be careful with
this paint, you might be disappointed like I was. all the paint in the
interior and underhood looks great, I don't think it holds up well in
the weather.  Terry Teague

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 21:31:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

Which reminds me of the time I parked my '67 Delta 88 about 2 football
fields away from any other cars - and someone backed up & dinged the
formerly flawless back bumper.

I think its because bumpers are my favorite parts on a car - nice chrome
ones of course.

I haven't got hit by any shopping carts yet - i normally park it either
between posts or flower beds or 2 miles out.

I need the exercise :)


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 21:40:32 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Tourqe convertors and shift kits

I got this inquiry off my web page.  Can someone steer him to the right
place possibly?   

I would greatly appreciate any information on the following.
I am restoring a 1901 oldsmobile replica. I am missing one of the 
spoked wheels. Do you know of any sources ?
Thank you 

Tuck Kamin

His e-mail address is:  tuckok@flash.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 09:56:21 -0500
From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@oscsystems.com>
Subject: Help!!!  I need a set of Heads or a good C in DC

Howdy All!!!

It has been a long time since I wrote into the list, but I have been on the
road for almost three months.  Now that I am back I am ready for a
summer of fun and sun with my Jet-boat.  I bought a new Tunnel ram,
MSD distributor, Carbs etc. etc. and was ready to hit the water, when to
my dismay, I found that one of my heads was completely trashed. 
Apparently, the cam that I have has enough overlap that it sucks water,
from the wet exhaust, back into the head.  This in tern dropped all of my
Hardened exhaust seat, probably cracked one of my heads and bashed
up (good technical term) my pistons.  What I am looking for is a good set
of heads that are quickly available in the DC area or one good C head
with small valves.  I can be reach via e-mail or at 301-428-6894

Thanks o plenty,

Matt Butler

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #741a
********************************


oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 10 1997       Volume 01 : Number 742a



Worcester Car Show
Re: Windshield swap
Re: Windshield swap
Re: Bad Weekend
Re: Faux 442 (correction)
Re: Spamming Spammers
Re: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307
Tool recommendation
ready for the Olds Nats
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: Thermostat and fan clutch
Re: 64 Olds
Just A Little JOke
Headers
Ch*vy Quesiton
Lightening Rods 
Re: Suggestions on electronic Ignition replacement
BB Motor Mounts- Availability?
Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
toro sport steering wheel
Re: Rear End Ration quesion and problem
Test, Please Ignore
[none]
Overhauling a TH350
Overhauling a TH350
need parts
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #741
Re: Suggestions on electronic Ignition replacement
Wanted W 30 Aluminum intake
Re: Worcester Car Show
Remove
Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd
Decisions, decisions, decisions....
Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: 100th Anniversary of Olds at Lansing
Re: 100th Anniversary of Olds at Lansing
Re: Headers
Re: BB Motor Mounts- Availability?
Mondello Oldsmobile Nationals (parts needed)
Re: Build date codes
Re: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.
Hedders
Sorry but Ch*vy Rockers.
Lightning Rods
Re: Faux 442 (correction)
Another Test, Please Ignore
Re: The H.P. of a 350...
Re: Lansing where are you?
Quad 4/W-40/W-41 Olds Club
Speaking of ram rods
Re: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.
Re: Measuring radius of stripe curves.
Re: Cheap paint recommendations(Long)
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: toro sport steering wheel
Re: Exhaust manifold swap?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:07:48 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Worcester Car Show

Did anybody happen to got to the Naional Car Show in Worcester..What 
a blast. Saw a couple of sweet Olds.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 10:00:36 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Windshield swap

At 03:41 PM 7/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I was wondering if a windshield out of an 81 grand prix will fit into my
>81 Cutlass Supreme??? I was told any full size Gm car windshield would
>fit. 

Well, the Cutlass is not a full-size, but a mid-size. Other than that,
though, I believe that the windshield frames on the G-bodies from the same
year are part of the basic shell that they share.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:23:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Windshield swap

Tim I have an 81 supreme I'm parting out the windshield is really nice.  Shoot
me an offer.

Doug Harkema
harkema2@pilot.msu.edu


> > Hi all
> I was wondering if a windshield out of an 81 grand prix will fit into my
> 81 Cutlass Supreme??? I was told any full size Gm car windshield would
> fit.
> Thanks
> Tim
> 81 Cutlass Supreme (under construction)
> 80 Mustang (winter beater haha)
> 80 Camaro (almost gone)
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:09:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

On Tue, 8 Jul 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
> Which reminds me of the time I parked my '67 Delta 88 about 2 football
> fields away from any other cars - and someone backed up & dinged the
> formerly flawless back bumper.
> I think its because bumpers are my favorite parts on a car - nice chrome
> ones of course.

In my case it's doors. I can't tell you how many times I've parked in an
empty section of parking lot to avoid door dings. Then when I come back
to my car there is some idiot who has parked next to me about a foot
away, with all kinds of empty spaces for them to have chosen from. 
These guys must think that cars talk to each other like in the TV ads
and get lonely if they are out by themselves. Anyhow this is my pet
peeve. If I wasn't such a nice guy I would inflict a few intentional
dings on them before driving away. ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:16:20 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Faux 442 (correction)

> I found Classic Motorbook's "442 and W-Machine Restoration Guide" to be
> a good beginning reference. It saved me from my first fake.

Several days ago I posted this book reference. I would like to correct an
error in the post. The publisher is not Classic Motorbooks. The correct
publisher is Motorbooks International. In addition, the full title is
"Oldsmobile 4-4-2 & W-Machine Restoration Guide" and the author is T.
Patrick Sullivan. I apologize for any inconveinence the misinformation may
have caused.

I am in no way associated with the author or publisher.

Thank you for your time,
Ray

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:14:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Spamming Spammers

In a message dated 97-07-09 09:03:58 EDT, you write:

<< Thanks to Messrs. Gulbis and Lyons who do not care to properly read the
 original spam and READ the senders address I have already received one
 e-mail bomb.  Any future bombs will be forwarded to Messrs. Gulbis and
 Lyons, and anyone else who recommends my e-mail address as the target for an
 e-mail bomb.
 
 BTW, since certain individuals seem to be incapable of discerning the
 correct address of the spammer, I have done their homework for them, THE
 CORRECT ADDRESS FOR ANY MAIL BOMBS IS:    img@llv.com  PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF
IT.
 
 Erik Nowacki
 1972 Vista Cruiser
  >>

GEEZ GIVE THEM A BREAK EH THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:19:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Headers and Edelbrock carb on 307

In a message dated 97-07-09 09:58:24 EDT, you write:

<< Change gears, add a K&N filter, a turbo muffler, and if you still want
more
 power, add a cam and port the heads. If you still want more power, install a
 350 or 455.
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
 Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
  >>
ADD A CAM AND PORT THE HEADS/  THAT WOULD COST MORE THAN A GOOD USED 455

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:21:15 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Tool recommendation

In the process of working on a differential I have come across the need for
a very sensitive torque wrench. The torque spec on the pinion nut when
using the old bearings is 8-12 inch pounds (Thanks Robert Barry and Mike
Rothe). At the present time I do not have ready access to the specialty
tool distributors, and the retail outlets I frequent do not carry torque
wrenches this precise. I would appreciate any recommendations on a quailty
tool. On the other hand, if there is a "shade tree" technique for
accurately setting a torque this light without a specialty tool, I would
like to hear it.

TIA
Ray

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:37:02 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: ready for the Olds Nats

Well, the Olds has never run better, except maybe when new, and I'm ready to
head for Norwalk for the weekend.  The engine is tuned to perfection, I
adjusted the windows so they shut correctly and therefore don't whistle at high
speed, installed rear spring insulators ($2.50 new at the dealer), all the
squeeks and rattles in the interior are gone, front and rear suspension all
redone, exhaust redone (healthy 2.5 inch with flowmasters and Hooker headers),
the A/C is positively frosty, and premium gas is cheap.  Life is good and even
better at 3000RPM crusing down the freeway.  Should be a great weekend.

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:23:33 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Hello Mark, 

I put all the names up for you now, if there is any I missed please let
me know.
 

________________________________________________________________________
> Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
> Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
> Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442
> Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
> Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
> Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    70 442 W-30 Red
> Cremean, Matt       Blissfield, MI     8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
> Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
> Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
> Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
> Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
> Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
> Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
> Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    70 Supreme conv
> Lamb, Aaron         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    72 Cutlass
> Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> Melen, Ulyess       Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    71 Cutlass S
> Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
> O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
> Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    72 442 W-30 
> Prince, Michael     Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    70 Cutlass S 
> Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
> Roberts, Rick       Clubhouse Inn      8/22       72 Hurst Olds
> Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
> Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
> Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
> Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
> Thomas, Robert      Clubhouse Inn      8/22       69 442 W-32
> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
> Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
> ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> Cliff McFarlane
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Coupe.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:39:36 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Thermostat and fan clutch

Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what the correct fan clutch and thermostat are for
> a 69 Cutlass with a 350 and a/c?
> 
> A local parts store gave me these choices.
> 
> Fan Clutch:    Non-thermal
>           Thermal
>           Thermal with extra cooling
> 
> Thermostat:    160 degree
>           180 degree
>           195 degree

Your factory code and part #'s for the fan clutch were as follows:

Code: "OU", part # 403982, optional # 4939985.

I personally would go with one of the thermal clutch varieties, and the
180 degree thermostat.  160 on an air car hasn't served it's purpose in
my experiences, unless the A/C doesn't work.  195 was a factory
recommendation.

My 2 cents
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:07:48 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: 64 Olds

Hey I have a 64 Cutlass 442..I dont have many parts but might be able 
to give you a hand with any questions.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:07:49 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Just A Little JOke

- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          "Carol Clough" <CAROL>
Organization:  Equitrac Northeast Branch
To:            Allen, Rob, Rick, Diane.Conley@State.MA.US, Mike
Date:          Mon, 7 Jul 1997 08:46:34 +0000
Subject:       (Fwd) 


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Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 16:48:26 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Headers

I have a 1964  Olds w\ a 350. There is a set of Hedders from Headman 
and Hooker for 400\455 for 1965..I have 403 heads on my block I was 
curious to know if the 65 Hedders will fit in the 64. Last time I 
really looked they both look exactly the same.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:07:48 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Ch*vy Quesiton

My father has a 305 in his Monte SS. He blew the Head gasket so I 
replaced it while at it replaced the vavles and all that Fun stuff. 
My problem is that when I reinstalled the push rods and the lifter 
and all that I started the car to adjust the rockers. I adjusted the 
as I did with my 350 Rocket and they keep on Chattering. On a Chevy 
do you have to tighten them down to 0 Clearence or is there a spec on 
this or what. I guess that is why Chevy stands for Can Hear Every 
Vavle Yakin huh?

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 8 Jul 1997 11:07:47 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Lightening Rods 

There is a part store near that has a set of lighting Rods from a 
Hurst Olds. I have a 64 Olds and a Th350. I was curious to know how 
and what is involved to install a set of these. 

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 10:55:13 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Suggestions on electronic Ignition replacement

> It has a stock dist. with a mag.
> pickup install and a control box mounted on the fender.  
<snip>
> in the back the electronics are sealed in some kind of plastic or
> silicon type stuff.  The problem is its melting and running down the
> fender, I don't know if its engine heat or not.  I supect not because we
> drove it a 1000 miles in 80 -95 degree weather and it was fine, I think
> the unit is getting ready to die and is getting hot.  So I am going to
> be looking for a replacement system and need some input on what to buy.

The melting problem could be engine heat.  The heat has to go somewhere
under the hood, hopefully under the firewall, but likely could be
causing this.  I used to have my fuel pressure guage mounted on the
fender well on my 71 442, but the plastic face warped from the heat it
picked up.

If you want to stay Delco, go with an HEI. Relatively cheap, and as long
as you have air cleaner clearance (stock 70 won't clear), you will be
OK.  Works great too!
 
For aftermarket, my suggestion is a Mallory Unilite with an MSD 6A or
6AL.  Relatively inexpensive, although more than an HEI.  I'm using it
on my 71 and I haven't had a single problem.

Hope this helps.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 11:13:28 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: BB Motor Mounts- Availability?

As my SX projects begins to take on a life of its own, I'm working on
getting a second mortgage to pay for all the little things that *really*
start to add up...

One of these "mightaswells" is the motor mounts. I've seen these in the
resto catalogs for about $40-$50, but just thought I'd call my local Auto
Palace chain store, and sure enough, they're available for a 1970 455 at
about $12.95/each.

My question concerns people's experience with the fit and quality of these
standard aftermarket parts; has anyone bought mounts that are specifically
designed for the Big-block cars, or might this part be a "1964-1988, A-body,
w/260,307,330,350,400,403 or 455" type application? I'd like to hear from
people who have bought mounts that fit perfectly, but especially from those
who bought such mounts, and just could not get them to fit right.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 11:15:24 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes

> I suspect that W-29 really came about in 1972, and we revisionist
> historians projected its use back to the mid-sixties.  Is there anyone
> with a 1965 build sheet out there to confirm that the actual option code
> for a 4-4-2 in 1965 was in fact "4-4-2"?

Actually someone sent me a copy of a well-worn 69 442 build sheet to
decode for them.  In it was a "W-29 442 option" code, with a little star
"* next to it and other codes (such as "Y73 hood stripe") with a legend
indicating "*- STANDARD EQUIPMENT".  So there is documentation that
proves the W-29 was used to signify 442 in '69 anyway.

I always thought the 65-67 442 was an L- option and W-29 was from
68-80?.  I know the 85-87 code was W-42.  Of course, I could be wrong.

Another 2 cents,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:13:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

At 05:05 PM 7/8/97 -0400, Dave Ward wrote:

>"You could set my Olds on fire, or beat it 'til its dead, but I still
>wouldn't trade it for an IROC-Z!"

Amen, I wouldn't either. Iroc-Z's aren't exactly hot on the performance end. 

Jason Labay
(rest of sig withheld to protect those with sensitive feelings;-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
Mobil 1 fluids, Licence plate: 1FST93Z.....14.165@98.70 before listed mods
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)

------------------------------

Date: 09 Jul 97 16:20:06 EDT
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: toro sport steering wheel

I've been meaninfg to ask this for a while but I keep forgetting, but will a mid
80's Toro sport steering wheel fit on the steering column of a mid 80's Cutlass?
I seem to like that style better than the sport wheels offered on the Cutlass
and I found one or two at a local yard.

Thanks in advance.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 12:01:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear End Ration quesion and problem

In a message dated 97-07-08 16:15:05 EDT, you write:

<< 	I have got a 1981 Delta 88 with a 307, th 250 and a 2.73 rear end.  I
 don't even have to tell you how slow this thing is off the line.  I would
 like to have a 350 motor but don't want to do it because I would like to
 prove some of mine rice burner friends that this motor can do it.  I was
 thinking to change the transmition to a th200r4 (overdrive).  I know this
 tranny is not great but that is all I could afford from a junk yard. >>

WHATS WRONG WITH THE TH200R4...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 17:38:24 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Test, Please Ignore

I will not eat them on a boat. I will not eat them with a goat. I will not
eat green eggs and ham. I will not eat them Sam I am.

Hey, don't look at me. You opened the message. :)

------------------------------

Date: 
From: 
Subject: [none]



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 09:04:00 -0700
From: Dino Kilindris <WE0294@trans.wei.org>
Subject: Overhauling a TH350

I'm overhauling a TH350 and I'm trying to decide between getting a B&M
Racing TransKit (with TransPak shift kit) and a TransCo master overhaul
kit & shift kit.  They both cost roughly the same but can anyone
recommend one over the other?

Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 08:48:00 -0700
From: Dino Kilindris <WE0294@trans.wei.org>
Subject: Overhauling a TH350

I'm overhauling a TH350 and trying to decide between getting a B&M
Racing TransKit (with TransPak shift kit) or a TransCo master overhaul
kit and a Transco shift kit.   They both cost roughly the same but I was
wondering if anyone can recomend one over the other.

Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 13:11:50 -0400
From: Stefan Gadecki <Sgadecki@student.umass.edu>
Subject: need parts

I have a 1970 cutlass, and I'm looking for a set of front fenders in
decent shape for a good price.  If you happen to have a set, e-mail me,
I'm interested.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 13:32:01 -0400
From: WALKERJIM@webtv.net (Jim Walker)
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #741

I was personally spammed for my very first time!  'Twas the same junk as
appeared on the newsgroup.  Hmmm.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:46:52 -0300
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Suggestions on electronic Ignition replacement

John Oder wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My 70 SX is equipped with some kind of aftermarket ignition, the label
> has faded and I cannot read what type.  It has a stock dist. with a mag.
> pickup install and a control box mounted on the fender.  Well while I
> was checking the oil today I noticed a small problem, this unit is open
> in the back the electronics are sealed in some kind of plastic or
> silicon type stuff.  The problem is its melting and running down the
> fender, I don't know if its engine heat or not.  I supect not because we
> drove it a 1000 miles in 80 -95 degree weather and it was fine, I think
> the unit is getting ready to die and is getting hot.  So I am going to
> be looking for a replacement system and need some input on what to buy.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John Oder
> 70 Cutlassc SX W-32
> 70 Cuda 383 Convertable (clone)
> 73 Dodge Challenger Rallye


It sounds like the add-on system is fairly old, and the distributor is even older.  You can "band-aid" it 
and get a different electronic module to put in, but I would take the safe way and get a new electronic 
vacuum advance dist.  I personally run a Mallory Unilite ($200) and is works great, although if I did it 
again, I'd probably spring for the MSD billet series (a little more $$ than Mallory).  Both let you later 
upgrade to a MSD box, I'm running a MSD-6AL which has a built in rev limiter for engine insurance.  Don't 
forget a high performance coil and 8mm wires.

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:05:05  -0500
From: Al Frey <alpha1@airmail.net>
Subject: Wanted W 30 Aluminum intake

I am in the market for a W30 olds intake for my restoration project 71 W30
the one on the car has been greatly abused.Anyone with one for sale would be
generously compensated for this
part!


Al Frey
alpha1@airmail.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:07:10 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Worcester Car Show

Rick wrote:

> Did anybody happen to got to the Naional Car Show in Worcester..What
> a blast. Saw a couple of sweet Olds.
>
> Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

 Yeah!  I went with a couple of buddies of mine...it was awesome.  I
wanted to bring my '69 442 but that was a no-go anyway.  But that show
was definitely all good!

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
- ------------------------------------
http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
- ------------------------------------
Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 21:23:14 -0400
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Subject: Remove

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------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 21:46:05 -0600
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd

I'll drive through Toledo about 1/2
>mile to the muffler shop. This is where Phase 4 will be finished. Mark's
>will be installing 2 1/4" dual exhaust and 3 chamber Flowmasters.


How much is this exhaust system costing you?  The Flowmasters are mufflers
right.  Are you running true duals all the way back or will you be
splitting a single pipe back?  Stainless steel?  What size engine do you
have?  Sorry for all the questions but I'm interested in getting duals for
my '77 442.

Thanks alot...

Chris Kugler
talcarol@erei.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:29:08 -0700
From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Decisions, decisions, decisions....

Well, yesterday night I went to look at a '78 Toronado for sale.  All power
options, cruise, tilt, AC, and lots of other cool stuff that I can't
remember.  It was the Brougham model with the vinyl top, and it was maroon
with a red interior.  The 403 was replaced by a F-Block w/ C heads and J
manifolds.  Supposedly, this swap took place at around 35,000 and now it's
at 157,000.  I couldn't believe how HUGE this car was.  The hood was bigger
than most cars that plague the streets today.  There was only rust damage
around the R/R wheel opening, but the extent makes me think that the others
would be soon to follow.  They were asking $1500 for it, and I really liked
the car....EXCEPT when we took it for a test drive.  After driving for
about 10-15 mins there was a steady thumping that could be felt on the
floorboards that increased with rpm, possibly bad U-joints?  The tranny
sounded like it was about to go south.  This car would be cool, but I know
that if I got it it would become another project when I want a driver.  

I have a dilemma though, I don't know whether to buy a car to drive (as I
am carless at the moment), or to use my money and have the body done on my
442.  The problem is that I'm having trouble finding anyone that is
willing/has enough time to take on a project.  I considered a body shop,
but a $4500 estimate killed that idea in its tracks.  I'm thinking about
taking a weekend and just priming it with some DP-90 and leaving the body
work for another time.  I really need a car to drive, but I also do not
want my 442 to not look like the rest of the trash out there....

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 07 Jul 1997 01:18:22
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd

At 12:50 AM 7/9/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Yes. I now have the set date as to when I will start ordering PARTS.
>Phase 1 involves the cam/lifters, springs/retainers, rods, locks, and
>timing set. Phase 4 will bleed into Phase 1 when Hooker headers are put
>on. Then, with that beast uncapped, I'll drive through Toledo about 1/2
>mile to the muffler shop. This is where Phase 4 will be finished. Mark's
>will be installing 2 1/4" dual exhaust and 3 chamber Flowmasters.
>Lastly, Phase 2 will be a go. The body work. Thus comes the eternal
>question... one racing stripe or two?
>
>These phases are out of order here, but not on my original priority
>sheet.
>-- 
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>Ev_Corp Main Admin.
>delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>CreamerSoftİ Software
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
>**********************************
>
dude, i to am a 73 cutlass owner, and listen to me...

 YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO!!!!!!!!!

I tried a similar project 2 years ago, and it's still sitting in my driveway.


if you're interested in the painful details, email me.

Chris Matthes
cdogg73@elknet.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 14:13:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: bryceman@442.com
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

________________________________________________________________________
 Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
 Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
 Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
 Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442
 Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
 Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
 Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
 Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
 Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    70 442 W-30 Red
 Cremean, Matt       Blissfield, MI     8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
 Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
 Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
 Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
 Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
 Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
 Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
 Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
 Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
 Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
 Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
 Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
 Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
 Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
 Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    70 Supreme conv
 Lamb, Aaron         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    72 Cutlass
 Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
 McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
 Melen, Ulyess       Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    71 Cutlass S
 Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
 O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
 Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
 Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    72 442 W-30
 Prince, Michael     Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    70 Cutlass S
 Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
 Roberts, Rick       Clubhouse Inn      8/22       72 Hurst Olds
 Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
 Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
 Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
 Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
 Smith, Bryce        Days Inn           8/18-23    none
 Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
 Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
 Thomas, Robert      Clubhouse Inn      8/22       69 442 W-32
 Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
 Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
 Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
 Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
 Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
 ________________________________________________________________________


           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:12:32 -0300
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary of Olds at Lansing

In a message dated 97-07-09 14:46:04 EDT, you write:

<<      
      I have a number of copies of the Lansing "Visitors Guide" for the 
      100th Celebration. There is only one article with pictures about Olds, 
      and the cover has car pictures also. 
      Copies may be available at Lansing, but they came out as part of the 
      local newspaper back in February! Why, I don't know.
      
      I will mail you a copy if you send me $5 to cover mailing. Mail me 
      your address to: Jim Lincoln 6901 Oak Ct Annandale, Va 22 >>

FIVE BUCKS HUH/ YEAH RIGHT......

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:49:43 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 100th Anniversary of Olds at Lansing

>       I will mail you a copy if you send me $5 to cover mailing. Mail me
> 
> FIVE BUCKS HUH/ YEAH RIGHT......

If five bucks is too much, I have a used distributor cap off a
Hurst/Olds I'll sell ya for $3.....

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:59:10 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Headers

Rick wrote:
> 
> I have a 1964  Olds w\ a 350. There is a set of Hedders from Headman
> and Hooker for 400\455 for 1965..I have 403 heads on my block I was
> curious to know if the 65 Hedders will fit in the 64. Last time I
> really looked they both look exactly the same.
> 
They might work.  You have to remember, the 400/455 sits differently in
the engine compartment because of the increased deck height over the
350.  The frames are identical as far as engine location and
clearances.  As long as they fit the 65, I see no reason they wouldn't
fit the 64.  The big inch Olds headers may have too large of a primary
tube for the 350, but the flange bolt location is the same.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 16:07:42 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: BB Motor Mounts- Availability?

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> My question concerns people's experience with the fit and quality of these
> standard aftermarket parts; has anyone bought mounts that are specifically
> designed for the Big-block cars, or might this part be a "1964-1988, A-body,
> w/260,307,330,350,400,403 or 455" type application?


Dr. Bob, 

I have bought a few sets of the "parts store" motor mounts, and with
mostly good successes.  The TRW brand (Western Auto) seemed to do OK. 
Because of the new rubber, they are a little fatter than they should be,
so they stick out and down a little more (ends up with a slightly longer
distance between the motor mount bolt holes when mounted on the block). 
A wiggle here and a wiggle there would make them go in.  A little
frustrating, but it worked.  I ended up loosening the bolts on the
block, wiggling the mounts as the motor was suspended from the cherry
picker, got the bolts slid through, then tightened up the block bolts,
then let the engine down.  Yes, they were a different part number for
big-Olds and little-Olds blocks.  And they looked like originals, save
for not looking so crushed and cracked.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:18:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Mondello Oldsmobile Nationals (parts needed)

As for my previous post...forgot to turn off the sig....sorry ;-)       

Ok, If anyone going this Sunday needs minor parts I can look for them and
bring them with me.  They got to fit in the trunk of my 80 442 so no engine
requests ;-) Let me know by Friday night as I will pick the parts Saturday.

Jason Labay
80 442 W-30
75 H/O W-25..(2)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:36:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Build date codes

At 10:40 AM 7/8/97 CST, David Brown wrote:
>I need your H*E*L*P guys and girls . . . for those of you with REAL W machines 
>and/or Hurst/Olds' or information . . .
>
>One thing I have been adding to the FAQ is an authentication list for 
>442's, W machines and H/O's.
>
>W machines and H/O's seem to have been made in one continuous run rather than 
>throughout the production year, which means all '67 W-30's have the same two 
>digit build code (found on the body tag). Correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm 
>looking for build date code and the line this is found on,from the body/fire 
>wall/cowl tag, for the following:
>
>'66 W-30       I have 6A, but what line? Correct?
>'67 W-30
>'68 W-30       I have 2A, on first line. Correct?
>'69 W-30
>'70 W-30       I have 3D, on third line. Correct?
>'71 W-30
>'72 W-30       VIN has X, but what about build date code?
>'73-80 W-30    Built at once or throughout the year?

I can speak for the 80 442 W-30.  They were built randomly throughout the
year.  The way to verify a 1980 from the VIN is to make sure the first part
of the VIN checks back to a Cutlass Calais. The 442 W-30 option could only
be had on the Cutlass Calais platform.  From there the engine code in the
VIN must be an "R" which was a 350/4bbl.  The 350 could only be had with the
442 W-30 on 1980 G-body Olds. The body tag's only relevant information is
the paint code for upper and lower. The White/Gold or Black/Gold color
scheme was unique to the 442 W-30 option in 1980. Also for further proof the
80 442 W-30 got a TH-350 stamped with the code "LJ", no others got that.

Jason Labay
80 442 W-30
75 H/O W-25..(2)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 15:44:25 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Local guy found reputed original '66 tri-carb car, cheap, needs rust repair,
> has all the TC parts, is '66 442... $??
> 
> Can anyone hilp tell me how what to look for to determine if the car was one of
> the "54"?  I hear it has NO OAI, no numbered chrome air cleaner... so that
> means it's one of the >54, exact # unknown, less-than-W30 cars, right?
> 
> Please send replies to me directly, digging thru the digest to find replies
> will take days...
> 
> He also has or had a parts '67 Cutlass for about $300, more than I can swing
> right now... mid-South MI area, if anyone's interested.
> 
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Sorry for the downer but I seriously doubt thats one of the original
54.  Dealers would seel you the tri-carb setup and the OAI setup, and
tons were sold.  It's worth a shot though and It's STILL a great car,
factory or not.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:56:14 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Hedders

Does any one know if a set of  hedders will fit into a 1964 Olds 442 
with a 350. The Headman listing is 1965 400-455...I am thinking that 
they will fit because of the body but I am not quit sure..PLease 
Help. 

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:56:08 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Sorry but Ch*vy Rockers.

I just replaced a set of head gaskets on my Dads 305 and I adjusted 
the rockers the same way I did on my Olds 350..I keep getting a 
chatter after the car runs for a little while. Can anyone tell me how 
to properly adjust these without doing damage. Thanks.

1964 Olds 442

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 16:56:11 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Lightning Rods

How hard is it to install a set of lightning rod shifter...Is it 
cable operated or not?

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:50:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Faux 442 (correction)

On Wed, 9 Jul 1997, Ray Moriarty wrote:
> Several days ago I posted this book reference. I would like to correct an
> error in the post. The publisher is not Classic Motorbooks. The correct
> publisher is Motorbooks International. In addition, the full title is
> "Oldsmobile 4-4-2 & W-Machine Restoration Guide" and the author is T.
> Patrick Sullivan. I apologize for any inconveinence the misinformation may
> have caused.

Actually I'm pretty sure that Classic Motorbooks is the sales arm of 
Motorbooks International. So they're all part of the same company...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:11:12 -0300
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Another Test, Please Ignore

I will not eat them on a boat. I will not eat them with a goat. I will not
eat green eggs and ham. I will not eat them Sam I am.

Hey, don't look at me. You opened the message. :)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:14:46 -0300
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: The H.P. of a 350...

Jason Labay wrote:
> 
> At 05:05 PM 7/8/97 -0400, Dave Ward wrote:
> 
> >"You could set my Olds on fire, or beat it 'til its dead, but I still
> >wouldn't trade it for an IROC-Z!"
> 
> Amen, I wouldn't either. Iroc-Z's aren't exactly hot on the performance end.
> 
> Jason Labay
> (rest of sig withheld to protect those with sensitive feelings;-)
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
> 93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
> TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
> Mobil 1 fluids, Licence plate: 1FST93Z.....14.165@98.70 before listed mods
> 80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
> 75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)


I agree...IROC's are a "chick" car, especially if it was a T-roof with
an auto trans.  How's this for a closing statement:

"You could blow my Olds to pieces, or beat it with force, but I stll
wouldn't trade it for a nine-eleven PORSCHE!"

A few may disagree with that...

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:27:47 -0300
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

At 10:23 AM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
Sorry! I had to update the vehicle I'm taking.

Jim
___________________________________________________________________
Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center          8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
Allen, Joseph         Cottonwood CG         8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn             8/18-23    none
Bicker, Steve         Quality Suites           8/19-24    67 442
Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn            8/20-24    none
Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn              8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
Brown, David         Best Western-Mid      8/19-24    77 Delta 88
Chermack, Jim      Mariott East              8/18-25    67 442 W-30
Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn            8/19-24    70 442 W-30 Red
Cremean, Matt      Blissfield, MI              8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
Culp, Bill               Park Inn Int                8/21-24    silver '62
Jetfire
Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos       8/20-22    70 442 black
Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn              8/20-24    65 442
Glista, Nikki          Holiday West            8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
Glista, Richard      Holiday West            8/19-23    68 - 442
Gulino, Dan           Sleep Inn                  8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
Harkema, Doug     Holt, MI                        all        70 Supreme conv.
Hartlieb, Paul        Marriott East             8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
Hendley, Daren     Ramada                    8/20-24    none
Hirtle, Don            Hampton                   8/18-23    none
Horton, Everett      Sheraton                   8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
Horton, Gordon     Sheraton                    8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
Johnson, Ernie     Ramada                     8/20-24    67-442
Kitchener, Doug    Holiday West             8/19-24    70 Supreme conv
Lamb, Aaron         Clubhouse Inn            8/20-23    72 Cutlass
Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn             8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West              8/19-23    63 Starfire
Melen, Ulyess       Clubhouse Inn           8/20-23    71 Cutlass S
Nicholson, Brad     Best Western            8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West            8/19-24    none
Penny, Steve        Hampton                   8/18-23    none
Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn            8/19-24    72 442 W-30 
Prince, Michael     Clubhouse Inn           8/20-23    70 Cutlass S 
Pritchett, Bill         Radisson                  8/20-23    61 98
Roberts, Rick       Clubhouse Inn            8/22       72 Hurst Olds
Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
Senko, Drew        Sheraton                    8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
Smetana, Chris    BW Governors            8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
Smith, Brian        Hampton                     8/18-23    none
Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central            8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
Stewart, Sandy    Hampton                     8/18-23    none
Thomas, Robert   Clubhouse Inn              8/22       69 442 W-32
Westlake, Steve  Holiday West               8/19-23    63 - 98
Williams, Dan      Hampton Inn                8/20-24    68 442 conv.
Williams, Danny   Red Roof Inn               8/20-24    none
Wilson, Jim         none                           8/19-23    64 Stafire
Wyatt, Dave        BW Governors             8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
____________________________________________________________________
 
Cliff McFarlane
62 Starfire Conv.
63 Starfire Coupe.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:49:05 -0300
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Quad 4/W-40/W-41 Olds Club

Hi all,

Several of us Quad 4 drivers on the list have been toying with the idea of
starting a club for Quad 4 powered cars.  I've been thinking along the lines
of the H/OCA which is seperate but similar to the OCA.  I've kinda taken the
lead on this and I'm trying to get reactions, recommendations, suggestions
etc to see if there is enough interest to start such a thing.  

So far some of our ideas for a name are Q442CA or Q4OCA.

If anyone can offer any ideas, suggestions on starting a club etc... or if
you are interested in being a charter member please e-mail me privately at
notdads442@aol.com

Cecil
1991 W-41
notdads442@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:52:23 -0300
From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Speaking of ram rods

The 69 442 I have a line on has a dual snorkel air cleaner with a "Ram
Rod 400" sticker badly peeling and faded.  Would this be the air cleaner
that is fetching such a high price?  And if it is said air cleaner and
it is an original part of this car would not this car be a W-30 or W-29?

Ken

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:52:40 -0300
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.

Chris,

If the solution is not in the FAQ, then contact Dave Brown directly. We saw
one of the actual 3x2's (slight performance mods) at the spring IVOC meet in
South Beloit, IL and he took extensive notes for the FAQ (may not be posted).

All that I remember (scetchy) is that on the cowl tag the very first 5 digits
should include  O B  (I think......).

I seem to remember that the heads were "C"'s. I thought this odd since most
everything in 66 big blocks would have been "B". However, if the 4 4 2 's are
consistently produced in the summer of the model year, perhaps hte 4 4 2's
recieved the first of the "C" blocks for 1967 cars  (?).  

Wait one. Here is from the FAQ;

W-30 Options- 52 from factory, ~13 more wer dealer add-ons
(those 13 had un-numbered air cleaners)

All 1966 W-30s should have the cleaner to bumper intake ducting.

Here's a good ID; all _factory_ (no info on dealer add on) W-30's had battery
mounted in trunk over right rear wheel.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 20:01:35 -0300
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Measuring radius of stripe curves.

MROTHE wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Will anyone assist me in this?  I'm trying to measure the radius of the
> curves on the stripes on my 69 H/O.  I think I remember from geometry
> classes about 200 years ago, but it is baffling me right now.  Maybe I'm
> not in the right frame of mind for this.........I think I'll have a beer
> and relax.
> 
> Mike Rothe

If I were you, I'd relax and have a dozen beer, and then re-measure the
radius..works perfect every time.

If I knew of any better way, I'd certainly tell you.

S.D.W.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:39:36 -0300
From: NotDads442@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Cheap paint recommendations(Long)

Robert & All

I think the paint is available in most of the factory colors currently
available today.  I'm sure there are several tints of silver.  I don't
remember any orange though.

The paint itself does hide some of the rough spots, others it does not.  I
didn't spend any time fixing dents.  There were some dents that had, found
the bondo while sanding. I figure that will be an adventure that I will take
up this fall or next spring.  I wanted to stick just to painting for the time
being.

My biggest mistake was not having a high enough air pressure in a few places.
 My compressor was giving me fits.  I had to let it run until it charged up,
then it would blow my breaker.  I reset the breaker, paint for awhile and
when the compressor tried to kick on the breaker would trip again.  I kept
painting for a couple of strokes and eventually got below the recommended
pressures for spraying.  I got the compressor fixed now, but I was under a
time limit to get the job done.  The car is one of my primary vehicles and I
had taken a week off from work.  So I had to finish the job as fast as I
could.

I spent $80-90 for my DA sander.  I figured that was the tool that would be
used the most so I spent a little more on it than I could have.  I used 220
grit sandpaper on the DA for most of the sanding.  I should have gone with
180 to cut the paint faster I think.  Try for your self I guess.  With the
180 you will have to go back over it with a milder paper, so you're spending
time doing either really.

I have a filter on my compressor, but a friend recommended a screw in filter
(disposable type $2-5).  I bought a couple of these and they worked fine
until.... it broke.  I had screwed the filter directly into the paint gun,
and placed a quick disconnect nipple on the other end so that I could unhook
the hose from the gun.  Well, I'm painting along the top side of the trunk
when the end with the nipple breaks off!!!!  The hose drops to the ground,
air is spraying out, the compressor (which is fixed at this point) kicks on
and I'm left standing there just trying to understand what it the world just
happened!!!!!@%#!@^!@^@!$&^@!&#* ;-).  Fortunately for me I was near the edge
of the trunk so the hose fell on the molding above the bumper leaving very
little damage to painted areas!
  
I would recommend you find a junk fender or door and do some experimenting.
 I found a body shop that let me pick thru their scrap to find a door.  I
also bought several books on painting.  One was by Haynes, the same people
that do repair manuals.  It was pretty good.  The other book was more on
custom paint techniques which went way over my head, but it was neat to read
about.  The Haynes manual really detailed how to move the gun while painting
(even with the panel not in an arc) and how to adjust the pattern of spray
for the gun.

Terry Teague wrote that he had problems with Nason after a year or so.  I
only painted my car in April so I can't offer any comments regarding
durability.  So far mine looks fine and the car sets out everyday all day.  

I've been wetsanding panels when I have the chance and after buffing I put on
Liquid Glass.  The panels that are done look great so far.  Well except for
the places that the sanding got a little to vigorous.  Helpful hint here:
don't do sanding after having a bad day at work!;-).  Also tape any edges or
creases in panels before the sanding starts.

If you need more info just let me know....  I will try and think if there was
anything else.

Gotta Go
Cecil Smalley
1991 W-41

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:11:58 -0300
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

________________________________________________________________________
>> Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
>> Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
>> Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
>> Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442
>> Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
>> Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
>> Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
>> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
>> Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    70 442 W-30 Red
>> Cremean, Matt       Blissfield, MI     8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
>> Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
>> Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
>> Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
>> Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
>> Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
>> Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
>> Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
>> Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
>> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
>> Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
>> Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
>> Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
>> Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
>> Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    70 Supreme conv
>> Lamb, Aaron         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    72 Cutlass
>> Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
>> McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
>> Melen, Ulyess       Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    71 Cutlass S
>> Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
>> O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
>> Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
>> Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    72 442 W-30 
>> Prince, Michael     Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    70 Cutlass S 
>> Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
>> Roberts, Rick       Clubhouse Inn      8/22       72 Hurst Olds
>> Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
>> Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
>> Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
>> Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
>> Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
>> Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
>> Thomas, Robert      Clubhouse Inn      8/22       69 442 W-32
>> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
>> Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
>> Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
>> Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
>> Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
>> ________________________________________________________________________


Boy, if I was nervous before, I'm REALLY nervous now.  What do you all know
about the Sleep Inn that I don't?


Dan
(who will have the Sleep Inn all to himself...)






************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:16:24 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: toro sport steering wheel

deirdre. reilly wrote:
> 
> I've been meaninfg to ask this for a while but I keep forgetting, but will a mid
> 80's Toro sport steering wheel fit on the steering column of a mid 80's Cutlass?
> I seem to like that style better than the sport wheels offered on the Cutlass
> and I found one or two at a local yard.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme

You mean that three spoked thing, right?  Shouldn't have any problem
installing this on a Cutlass, 'cause the Cutlass itself used this wheel
in '80, maybe other years too.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:41:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold swap?

On Mon, 7 Jul 1997, Jason Adcock wrote:

> I don't think so.  I think the 307, 350 & 403 are all interchangeable
> because they are small blocks.  The 400 and 425 and 455, etc. are big
> blocks so their parts will interchange, but I don't think small
> block-to-big block.  I don't know about the 394...it is a ~big~ block,
> right?
> > Hi All
> >       Sorry if this question has already been answered. Are big block and
> > small block exhaust manifolds interchangeable?

FYI, I have a set of '74 350, '75 350, and '75 455 manifolds, all of 
which look EXACTLY the same on the outside, but I don't know about port 
sizes..  Different years and body styles change the dump-angles though 
(My '69 455 was way different)  I believe this is like motor mounts, 
where the year/model determines the shape/size?

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
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http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
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End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #742a
********************************


oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 10 1997       Volume 01 : Number 743



Re: Bad Weekend
Re: Spamming Spammers
Re: Edelbrock parts
Fwd: 1927 REO --check this out please.
Re: Wanted W 30 Aluminum intake
Re: Tool recommendation
Re: Worcester Car Show
Re: Tool recommendation
Found 72 442, Need Opinions
Re: Overhauling a TH350
Re: Ch*vy Quesiton
Re: Headers
Re: Ch*vy Quesiton
Re: Lightening Rods
Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd
Olds Nats
Re: Bad Weekend
Re: Windshield swap
Re: Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?
Re: Decisions, decisions, decisions....
ADMIN: Rules of Engagement
Re: Thermostat and fan clutch
Small Block Exhuast Manifolds?
Air cleaner
81 Olds Cutlass wagon Parts
Re: Found 72 442, Need Opinions
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd
Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd
Re: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.
Re: Overhauling a TH350
Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes
Re: Speaking of ram rods
Re: Tool recommendation
Headers--  WARNING!!
RE: Measuring radius of stripe curves.
Olds Show 7/13 in Maryland (Last Notice I Promise)
Re: Remove
Re: 81 Olds Cutlass wagon Parts
1964 Olds 98 convertible
overheating?
Re:'64-'67 4-4-2 option codes
Re: 81 Olds Cutlass wagon Parts
Special
Re[2]: Build date codes
Re: Test, Please Ignore

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 19:50:23 -0600
From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

> and get lonely if they are out by themselves. Anyhow this is my pet
> peeve. If I wasn't such a nice guy I would inflict a few intentional
> dings on them before driving away. ;-)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

That's why the engineers at Olds decided to offer those handy stainless
door-edge guards -- so you could get paybacks without damaging your own
paint... ;)
 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 18:44:27 -0700
From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Subject: Re: Spamming Spammers

>In a message dated 97-07-09 09:03:58 EDT, you write:
>
><< Thanks to Messrs. Gulbis and Lyons who do not care to properly read the
> original spam and READ the senders address I have already received one
> e-mail bomb.  Any future bombs will be forwarded to Messrs. Gulbis and
> Lyons, and anyone else who recommends my e-mail address as the target for an
> e-mail bomb.
> 
> BTW, since certain individuals seem to be incapable of discerning the
> correct address of the spammer, I have done their homework for them, THE
> CORRECT ADDRESS FOR ANY MAIL BOMBS IS:    img@llv.com  PLEASE MAKE A NOTE OF
>IT.
> 
> Erik Nowacki
> 1972 Vista Cruiser
>  >>
>
>GEEZ GIVE THEM A BREAK EH THEY WERE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING GOOD
>
I know they were.  I just wanted to get the point across that when sending
bombs, please make sure it goes to the right address.  I hope that we have
cleared that up so that we can bomb future spammers, not other list members.

Lets get back to Oldsmobiles.

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: 9 Jul 1997 18:17:56 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Re: Edelbrock parts

OL>Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 01:14:59 -0300
OL>From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
OL>Subject: Duals on the Delta 88...

You asked about headers for your delta 88, I have heard that Hooker
makes the best-fitting headers for our B-body cars with the olds engine.
 It is part number 3202, the primaries are 1.75" ( (really designed for
455-equipped early-mid 70's big cars) and I think summit has them for
$139.95 (US).  I know that Hooker also makes a set for a cutlass with a
small block olds in it, not sure of the PN for that, I think it's either
3201 or 3203 (it was sequential with #3202).

Mike Jones
'78 Olds 88

BTW: all olds owners in California, the state bills to watch out for on
our smog check program are SB-42, SB-772 and now SB-807.  SB-807 (which
has SIERRA CLUB support, never thought that would happen) would take all
the info on gross polluters and make it publically available for a fee.
This bill, if it goes into effect, will make failure of the California
smog check program by EXCESS TAILIPIE EMISSIONS ONLY, basically ignoring
the visual/functional part of the test, sort of like SB-772.  SB-42 is
the bill which if goes into effect would start a rolling date for
exemption of "classic cars" 25 model years or older in CA.  (my '78 Olds
would be smog exempt in 2003 I believe)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 22:30:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: 1927 REO --check this out please.

In a message dated 97-07-08 21:03:42 EDT, you write:

> hello everyone!  Tonight, I will hopefully be buying a 1927 REO 
>  Woverine touring car.  Can anyone tell me any information about this 
>  kind of car?  how many were made?  how many are still around?  where can 
>  i find parts?  (the car needs a total restoration)  does anyone have any 
>  suggestions, tips, comments, etc. to say about this?  (i'm sure many of 
>  you do!!)  ;)
>  
>  Thanks in advance!

From the Encyclopedia of American Cars:

"Reo resulted from a 1904 arguement at Olds Motor Works, the first car
company founded by the tenacious Ransom Eli Olds.  When collegues began
pressuring him to build four and six-cylinder models that were more
substantial than his little Curved-Dash Oldsmobile, Ransom went down the
street to set up a rival concern.  By year's end, this new R. E. Olds company
was called Reo Motor Car Company,  after his initials.  Ransom got his
"revenge": through 1917, Reo outproduced Olds Motor Works."

I do not have production numbers before 1930, but in 1928 Reo produced their
best record of 29,000 cars TOTAL!  You will have a very rare car.  The '30
models had two engine options: a 60 or 80 hp I-6.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4
- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: 1927 REO --check this out please.
Date:    97-07-08 22:50:54 EDT
From:    PaulP34167
To:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

In a message dated 97-07-08 21:03:42 EDT, you write:

> hello everyone!  Tonight, I will hopefully be buying a 1927 REO 
>  Woverine touring car.  Can anyone tell me any information about this 
>  kind of car?  how many were made?  how many are still around?  where can 
>  i find parts?  (the car needs a total restoration)  does anyone have any 
>  suggestions, tips, comments, etc. to say about this?  (i'm sure many of 
>  you do!!)  ;)
>  
>  Thanks in advance!

From the Encyclopedia of American Cars:

"Reo resulted from a 1904 arguement at Olds Motor Works, the first car
company founded by the tenacious Ransom Eli Olds.  When collegues began
pressuring him to build four and six-cylinder models that were more
substantial than his little Curved-Dash Oldsmobile, Ransom went down the
street to set up a rival concern.  By year's end, this new R. E. Olds company
was called Reo Motor Car Company,  after his initials.  Ransom got his
"revenge": through 1917, Reo outproduced Olds Motor Works."

I do not have production numbers before 1930, but in 1928 Reo produced their
best record of 29,000 cars TOTAL!  You will have a very rare car.  The '30
models had two engine options: a 60 or 80 hp I-6.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:05:50 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Wanted W 30 Aluminum intake

Al Frey wrote:
> 
> I am in the market for a W30 olds intake for my restoration project 71 W30

A guy in VA has some.  Call 703-751-9100.  Ask for Jim Stohlman.  He's
got some advertised in Hemming's for around $800.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:16:52 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Tool recommendation

Ray Moriarty wrote:
> 
> In the process of working on a differential I have come across the need for
> a very sensitive torque wrench. The torque spec on the pinion nut when
> using the old bearings is 8-12 inch pounds (Thanks Robert Barry and Mike
> Rothe). At the present time I do not have ready access to the specialty
> tool distributors, and the retail outlets I frequent do not carry torque
> wrenches this precise. I would appreciate any recommendations on a quailty
> tool. On the other hand, if there is a "shade tree" technique for
> accurately setting a torque this light without a specialty tool, I would
> like to hear it.
> 
> TIA
> Ray

I've never seen anyone do it by feel before.  Provided the nut wasn't
off before, match mark it with some white-out or something to the exact
location in relation to the pinion threads.  Then after you take it off,
the manual says when you put it back on go past the mark 1/16" and NO
MORE.  This will give sufficient preload.  If the nut is already off,
then you will HAVE to get an INCH/pound Torquewrench.  If you are just
wanting to get by cheap, Sears carries them, as well as JC Whitney,
Harbor Frieght tools, etc.  I don't know about the other's quality, but
I do know Sears used to have some pretty good quality torque wrenches
without spending an arm and a leg.  I bought a Snap-On a long time ago
to do some tranny work, and it's still going.....

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:25:58 -0300
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Worcester Car Show

At 11:07 AM 7/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Did anybody happen to got to the Naional Car Show in Worcester..What 
>a blast. Saw a couple of sweet Olds.

Worcester Massachusetts? I went to a huge show there a few years ago, and
was impressed by the Oldses (got a few pictures of them still). What was its
date?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:25:55 -0300
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Tool recommendation

At 10:21 AM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>using the old bearings is 8-12 inch pounds... <snip> ...do not carry torque
>wrenches this precise. I would appreciate any recommendations on a quailty
>tool. 

Hmm, Sears lists them in their catalog, so that's always a possibility. Most
auto parts stores carry tools, and this should be something they could get
their hands on. Around here, I've seen them in the tool section of the
discount stores.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:30:49 -0400
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Found 72 442, Need Opinions

Looked at a 72 442 tonight. It has a big block 455 with a 400 trans and
posi.
It is Saddle Bronze in and out with a bench seat. There are 103,000 miles
on the car. The car is very clean, it came from Arizona. 

The only thing I have a concern about is the drivers side rear quarter
panel
looks like someone tried to do a bump job, its very noticeable to me.

My question is what would it cost to replace a rear quarter panel and paint
it?
				
Could someone translate this VIN# for me?  3G87U2G146958      

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com
Warren, MI

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:29:27 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Overhauling a TH350

Dino Kilindris wrote:
> 
> I'm overhauling a TH350 and trying to decide between getting a B&M
> Racing TransKit (with TransPak shift kit) or a TransCo master overhaul
> kit and a Transco shift kit.   They both cost roughly the same but I was
> wondering if anyone can recomend one over the other.
> 
> Thanks.


Personally I used Hurst's kit in my TH-350, but my racing mechanic
friend has always used and recommended the Transco kit.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:06:21 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Ch*vy Quesiton

At 11:07 AM 7/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>My father has a 305 in his Monte SS. He blew the Head gasket so I 
<snip>
>and all that I started the car to adjust the rockers. I adjusted the 
>as I did with my 350 Rocket and they keep on Chattering. On a Chevy 
>do you have to tighten them down to 0 Clearence or is there a spec on 

I don't know what you did on your Olds 350, but the procedure for the Ch*vy
small-block is entirely different: you tighten them down to no clearance
when the lifer is on the base-circle, and then go another 1/4-1/2 turn. As
in all cars, you should be able to find a spec on this in the shop manual,
or even in a Chilton's
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:06:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Headers

At 04:48 PM 7/8/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I have a 1964  Olds w\ a 350. There is a set of Hedders from Headman 
>and Hooker for 400\455 for 1965..I have 403 heads on my block I was 
>curious to know if the 65 Hedders will fit in the 64. Last time I 
>really looked they both look exactly the same.

They'd fit as well on the small-block in your '64 as they'd fit on a
small-block in a '65. Unfortunately, they're designed for the big-block
engine, which had a 1" higher deck height, so at best they'd sit about 1"
lower than they should, and at worst they'd interfere with things like the
frame, the steering shaft, the crossmember, the oil filter, the starter,
etc. I'm quite certain, however, that there are small-block headers
specifically for that application; nose around a bit more. Hooker headers
are reputed to fit best (I've only had experience with headers that *don't*
fit that well).

Oh, and that "Just A Little JOke" post was a bit inappropriate: no Olds
content, among other things...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 1997 23:15:26 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Ch*vy Quesiton

- ----------
> From: Rick <richardc@equitrac.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Ch*vy Quesiton
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 6:07 AM
> 
> My father has a 305 in his Monte SS. He blew the Head gasket so I 
> replaced it while at it replaced the vavles and all that Fun stuff. 
> My problem is that when I reinstalled the push rods and the lifter 
> and all that I started the car to adjust the rockers. I adjusted the 
> as I did with my 350 Rocket and they keep on Chattering. On a Chevy 
> do you have to tighten them down to 0 Clearence or is there a spec on 
> this or what. I guess that is why Chevy stands for Can Hear Every 
> Vavle Yakin huh?
> 

Rick, 
The s/b chevy has a adjustable valve train unlike your Olds. There are lots
of methods for doing it but I will give you one that will work on any
engine of this type. Start with any cylinder and turn the engine until the
exaust valve just starts to open and adjust the intake valve to 0 lash (
where the pushrod just starts to get a little harder to turn and there is
no slack between it and the rocker arm.) then tighten it another 3/4 - 1
turn. Turn engine until intake valve just closed and do the same for the
exaust. 7 cylinders later put the valve covers on and forget about it.  You
can also set them running bit its makes a hell of a unnessasary mess.
Walter

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:10:44 -0400
From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Lightening Rods

Rick wrote:
> 
> There is a part store near that has a set of lighting Rods from a
> Hurst Olds. I have a 64 Olds and a Th350. I was curious to know how
> and what is involved to install a set of these.
> 
One important thing....Lightning rods were made for the TH2004R, which
was a FOUR speed auto, you have a THREE speed auto.  Doesn't make much
sense to waste a lot of money on Lightning rods.  I suggest you find a
rachet type shifter for a three-speed, like a Quicksilver from B&M, or
something similar.

But....if you really are dead set on the Lightning Rods...first, change
the trans. to a four-speed auto.

Then...if all the pieces are there, you will need to get a console out
of an 83-88 Cutlass.  The H/O lightning rods are different than the ones
that you can get from a speed shop.  The mounting was made for the
custom fit into an Olds console, etc. Then you have the shifting cable
thing....I believe the 64 had a rod instead of a cable right? So you may
need the actuator lever set up also for the tranny gear selector shaft.
You would be better off to try and get the aftermarket Lightning Rods
that come with everything you need rather than the original H/O version.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:17:22 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd

At 01:18 AM 7/7/97, you wrote:
>>Phase 1 involves the cam/lifters, springs/retainers, rods, locks, and
>>timing set. Phase 4 will bleed into Phase 1 when Hooker headers are put
>>
>dude, i to am a 73 cutlass owner, and listen to me...
>
> YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO!!!!!!!!!
>
>I tried a similar project 2 years ago, and it's still sitting in my driveway.

Such a cam swap can certainly turn into a lifetime project, but it doesn't
necessarily have to (Greg B. swapped a cam, and drove the car the next week,
so there's still hope...). All it takes is two things that, unfortunately,
we often run out of in the middle of a project: 

1) MONEY, and 
2) TIME!

One technique is to not start anything until you have bought *everything*,
and budgeted at least $50-$100 for all the little things you might need to
replace. Also make sure that everything you bought is the right piece; a
project can grind to a halt if something is mistakenly shipped and the right
part is backordered indefinitely. Line up other sources for emergency
situations like this. Also make sure you are thoroughly familiar with the
procedures for the work you are doing, and you have either borrowed or
bought the tools you will need to complete the job. Of course, this all
takes money.

Next, set aside definite blocks of time in which you can perform the work,
and get a buddy to help you; not one who just likes to drink your beer, but
one who knows about cars and who can actually help you get the job done
quicker, preferrably someone who has done this kind of work before,
preferrably on an Olds.

_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 21:18:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Olds Nats

Well Todd, this sounds better then Heaven!  Unless we get to take our Olds'
there too!!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 20:59:26 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Weekend

My other half wants to put an alarm on my V-C and his truck (if it ever
comes back from Paint Never Never Land) just to scare them if they do bump
into it.  No real deterant to theft, but he wants to startle the **** out
of them!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:34:40 -0400
From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Subject: Re: Windshield swap

> Tim I have an 81 supreme I'm parting out the windshield is really nice.  Shoot
> me an offer.
> 
> Doug Harkema
> harkema2@pilot.msu.edu
> 
Got the windshield in, thanks for the help and offers.

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:46:09 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: Re: Confessions of a W-31 owner Was RE: WHAT EXACTLY IS A RAMROD?

Chris R. Smetana wrote:
> 
> All right, I'm back from my week in Hotlanta (didn't know I was gone did
> ya?)  Anyway, I own a W-31 of the 69 vintage and some of what people are
> saying is not entirely correct.  I purchased my W-31 last July from Bob
> Cline, OCA advisor for 68-72 4-4-2 and W-30, so he and I both know what it
> was/is.  I paid $1800 for a running, but not driveable car with a good deal
> of cancer, especially in the rear quarters and trunk.  The rear bumper has
> rust holes in it too.  The brakes were shot and Bob included an extra rear
> seat and set of door panels.  The car had been sitting in a barn for the
> last 6 yrs, did someone say mice in the interior, all the seats are shot.
> It has the original drivetrain, rear, paint and ram air brackets and air
> cleaner.  It was missing the ram air hoses and scoops, outside mirror,
> incorrect carb.  But the most important things it had were the W-31
> specific items.  Bob was telling me if the car wasn't a W-31 he would have
> parted it a long time ago and got his asking price of $1800 by selling the
> 3:91 posi rear and special dual snorkel air cleaner.
> When looking for a W-31, I believe you said it was a 69 also so this all
> applies and most of it if not all applies to 68 and 70 too, it MUST have a
> few certain things to be considered worthy.  This is all from the 4-4-2 and
> W Machine restoration guide.  First it must have been made in Lansing, M in
> the VIN.  It has manual brakes ONLY, radical cam didn't create enough
> vacuum for power brakes.  The harmonic balancer is A LOT thicker than a
> normal 350 balancer, about 1" as opposed to about 1/2" or 1/4".  It should
> have the valves of the 455.  If you look at the valves on the head,
> assuming the head is off, there will be no space between the valves,
> whereas a normal 350 head has a noticeable space between the valves.
> Special dual snorkle air cleaner with chrome lid.  Inner fenders have
> special holes in them for air induction system, along with brackets on the
> inner fenders for the hoses and scoops.  I think someone mentioned it had
> red fender wells, these are incorrect for a W-31.  The ram air hood
> mentioned is only correct for 70 W-31's (talking W-31's now W-30 owners).
> Special carb, 69 is 7029255, 70 is 7040255 and I think 68 is 7028255.  The
> book also states the car should have front AND rear sway bars with boxed
> lower rear control arms like the 4-4-2.  I don't think this is correct as
> it isn't present on my car.  I also looked at a copy of a W machine flyer
> and for the W-31 it DID NOT state a rear sway bar, which is why I tend to
> believe this is incorrect in the book, but don't necessarily take my word
> for it, get under the car and check it out.  It should also have a 4 row
> radiator.  I believe the manual car had 3:42 rear and the auto car 3:91,
> both 12 bolts.  I've also come to find out that if the car is an auto the
> code on the tranny is JO.
> 
> I've mentioned what I paid for my fairly complete W-31.  The price for some
> of the items mentioned is a little low though.  Repro air cleaners from
> Brothers cost $495 last time I checked, I'd guess originals are more if you
> can find them.  The ram air assembly, scoops, hoses, brackets is pretty
> hard to find, but I located a guy in California who says he has a complete
> GM setup in boxes minus the air cleaner for $1000 (not a typo).  I do know
> that Mike Siedlik (sp) has repro ram air scoops and I believe hoses for
> $380(?) I don't remember the price.  Mike are you still with us or am I
> hallucinating about the ram air setup.  The auto tranny is W-31 specific so
> I would guess VERY hard to find not to mention replace.  Basically if it
> doesn't have the W-31 specific parts it probably isn't worth rescuing
> unless you know someone with the parts for sale the car is missing.
> 
> That's all I can think of right now.  If someone has any other questions
> let me know and I'll try and help ya out.
> 
> BTW, I'm still looking for scoops for my W-31, would prefer originals if by
> chance someone has them for sale.
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> csmetana@sony.disc.com
> 
> 1969 Cutlass W-31
> 2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
> 1971 Skylark custom convertable
> 1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

Chris,
   You hit the nail on the head when it comes to describing a W-31.
I own a 70-W31 and one of the first things I looked at before I 
purchased mine was the harmonic balancer and yes they are very thick.
I do have the front and rear sway bars on mine, and I also have the 
3:91 rear gears and a 4-speed. As for Mike Siedlik he is not been on
the internet to much as of late, mainly because he is finishing his
70 Pace car Convertible for Lansing, but I do know that he is
reproducing the black ram air ducts. I live about a mile from him
and was over at his house the other night and he showed the repos to 
me at that time. 

Tom Williams
70-W31

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Date: Wed, 09 Jul 1997 23:29:16 -0500
From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Decisions, decisions, decisions....

Suzanne Rousseau wrote:
> 
> Well, yesterday night I went to look at a '78 Toronado for sale.    They were asking $1500 for it, and I really liked
> the car....EXCEPT when we took it for a test drive.  After driving for
> about 10-15 mins there was a steady thumping that could be felt on the
> floorboards that increased with rpm, possibly bad U-joints?  The tranny
> sounded like it was about to go south.  This car would be cool, but I know
> that if I got it it would become another project when I want a driver.
> 

> Paul Rousseau
> *1967 442

The last of the monsters and an especially cool car with the SX option
(one piece wrap around windshield).  I remember working on these and
rebuilding the tranny.  Seems to me it took a shoehorn and a twenty lb,
sledge hammer to get the tranny out and back in. Well almost!  Sounds
like the CV joints are bad also, another big expense.  You'll never get
your money out of the car, my advice: add your test drive to you list of
memorable ezperiences and look for something else!  Good Luck -  John

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 06:57:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Rules of Engagement

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:22:38 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Thermostat and fan clutch

Something I might add.

Years ago my fan clutch locked up on my 1976 Delta 88 Royale, and my
friend had a new one from a F@rd Truck.  I believe it was a big block,
but I think all F@rd are the same.  It was a nice HD unit, thick, not
that cheapy one from the local @utoZone, but a quality piece. 
Thermostatic and all.  Nearly identical to what came off my Turbo T/A,
which will NOT fit an Olds, I tried!

Which brings me to this, look at the Rust@ng, the 85-? had a 10 blade
plastic fan that is very light, and should bolt on an Olds.  They are
pretty quiet too.  And that plastic fan will add some HP due to less
rotating weight, more airflow, and add less weight to the snout of the
water pump, thereby extending it's life.

So take a look around the boneyards, you may pick up some hp for cheap!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307 (soon to grow up)

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:39:36 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Subject: Small Block Exhuast Manifolds?

I am picking up an Olds 350, and I noticed the exhuast manifolds are
very different than my 85 307.  The 307's are logs, just a tube with
opening for the ports, and an exit.  What is the best ~emissions~
compliant manifolds should I look for?  AIR system is not something that
will be reinstalled.  Not without major mods first!

I just want unrestricted exhuast, headers may be a consideration, but
not initially.  I just need some manifolds that I can bolt in with the
350.

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307 (which is about to grow up)

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:42:27 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.css.mot.com>
Subject: Air cleaner

I picked an aircleaner center piece (removable metal piece) years ago
that said something like Ultra Rocket and "Ultra High Compression" under
it.  It came from a 67ish (65-67, not 68) Delmont 88, 425.  Any info on
it?

Has anyone ever heard of it?

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 05:52:38 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: 81 Olds Cutlass wagon Parts

Well....... It's time for the wagon to go, so I'm parting out this beast.
All parts on the car are rust free, no body damage, except for minor door
dings. The motor and tranny are gone, but everything else is there and
available to anyone for any reasonable offer. If anybody is interested,
Please contact me.

Rob Turner
Katana72@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:24:31 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Found 72 442, Need Opinions

- ----------
> From: John Richmond <richmond@tir.com>
> To: Olsmobile E-mail <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Found 72 442, Need Opinions
> Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 11:30 PM
> 
> ?
> 				
> Could someone translate this VIN# for me?  3G87U2G146958      
3        		Oldsmobile Division
G87  		Cutlass S Hardtop Coupe (Series3687)  
U      		455 4bbl  (L75)  Daul Exhaust (TH400)
2		Model Year
G		Assembly Plant (Framingham,Ma)
146958  	Sequential Serial Number

Hope this helps

Robert Schinkel

1970...W-31...442 Conv...Rallye 350...Cutlass Supreme Conv



> John Richmond
> richmond@tir.com
> Warren, MI
> 

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:29:12 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

- ----------
> From: bryceman@442.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?
> Date: Wednesday, July 09, 1997 3:13 PM
> 
> ________________________________________________________________________
>  Adams, Tom          Kellogg Center     8/21-24    66 Delta Convertible
>  Allen, Joseph       Cottonwood CG      8/20-24    57 88 J/2 Conv
>  Beaulieu, Greg      Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
>  Bicker, Steve       Quality Suites     8/19-24    67 442
>  Blankenship, Mike   Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
>  Bradley, Terry&Barb Regent Inn         8/20-24    71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
>  Brown, David        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    77 Delta 88
>  Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32
>  Cornea, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    70 442 W-30 Red
>  Cremean, Matt       Blissfield, MI     8/21       73 Cutlass Supreme
>  Culp, Bill          Park Inn Int       8/21-24    silver '62 Jetfire
>  Easton, Jeff        Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
>  Forsee, Ron         Hampton Inn        8/20-24    65 442
>  Glista, Nikki       Holiday West       8/19-24    68 Cutlass conv
>  Glista, Richard     Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
>  Gulino, Dan         Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta 88 conv
>  Harkema, Doug       Holt, MI           all        70 Supreme conv.
>  Hartlieb, Paul      Marriott East      8-19-23    67 Ninety Eight
>  Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24    none
>  Hirtle, Don         Hampton            8/18-23    none
>  Horton, Everett     Sheraton           8/19-23    61 Starfire conv
>  Horton, Gordon      Sheraton           8/19-23    71 Supreme conv
>  Johnson, Ernie      Ramada             8/20-24    67-442
>  Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West       8/19-24    70 Supreme conv
>  Lamb, Aaron         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    72 Cutlass
>  Loban, John         Clubhouse Inn      8/20-24    63 Starfire conv
>  McFarlane, Cliff    Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
>  Melen, Ulyess       Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    71 Cutlass S
>  Nicholson, Brad     Best Western       8/19-24    87 442 (Just Me)
>  O'Connor, Peg       Holiday West       8/19-24    none
>  Penny, Steve        Hampton            8/18-23    none
>  Prince, Mark        Clubhouse Inn      8/19-24    72 442 W-30
>  Prince, Michael     Clubhouse Inn      8/20-23    70 Cutlass S
>  Pritchett, Bill     Radisson           8/20-23    61 98
>  Roberts, Rick       Clubhouse Inn      8/22       72 Hurst Olds
>  Ruper, Chris        Best Western-Midway8/19-24    none
>  Senko, Drew         Sheraton           8/20-23    71 Supreme conv.
>  Schinkel, Rob    Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   None
>  Smetana, Chris      BW Governors       8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
>  Smith, Brian        Hampton            8/18-23    none
>  Smith, Bryce        Days Inn           8/18-23    none
>  Soball, Dave        Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White '55 98
>  Stewart, Sandy      Hampton            8/18-23    none
>  Thomas, Robert      Clubhouse Inn      8/22       69 442 W-32
>  Westlake, Steve     Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
>  Williams, Dan       Hampton Inn        8/20-24    68 442 conv.
>  Williams, Danny     Red Roof Inn       8/20-24    none
>  Wilson, Jim         none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
>  Wyatt, Dave         BW Governors       8/20-24    Yellow '70 4-4-2
>  ________________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
>            Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
> '66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
>             Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:45:54 -0300
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd

Chris Kugler wrote:
> 
> I'll drive through Toledo about 1/2
> >mile to the muffler shop. This is where Phase 4 will be finished. Mark's
> >will be installing 2 1/4" dual exhaust and 3 chamber Flowmasters.
> 
> How much is this exhaust system costing you?  The Flowmasters are mufflers
> right.  Are you running true duals all the way back or will you be
> splitting a single pipe back?  Stainless steel?  What size engine do you
> have?  Sorry for all the questions but I'm interested in getting duals for
> my '77 442.

This system is gonna cost me about $400. Yes, the Flowmasters are GOOD
mufflers. This will be true dual, stainless steel, from a 350.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:53:17 -0300
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 73 build-up phases 1, 2, and 4 commence the 23rd

Actually, YOU guys have no idea what I've gotten myself into. I have
thouroughly researched every aspect of this procedure, found every part
I need so its there when I order it. I'm also having this done by
CERTIFIED mechanics who have worked on our automobiles for 30+ years;
even helped my dad hot-rod his '65 C*rvette. I have given myself a very
lenient budget, ready for anything. I won't have this car home for about
2 1/2- 3 weeks. The cam/headers work will take about 5 days, the muffler
work might take 1-2, and the body work will take between 10-12 days.
Yes, I know what I'm getting myself into........

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 01:18 AM 7/7/97, you wrote:
> >>Phase 1 involves the cam/lifters, springs/retainers, rods, locks, and
> >>timing set. Phase 4 will bleed into Phase 1 when Hooker headers are put
> >>
> >dude, i to am a 73 cutlass owner, and listen to me...
> >
> > YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE GETTING YOURSELF INTO!!!!!!!!!
> >
> >I tried a similar project 2 years ago, and it's still sitting in my driveway.
> 
> Such a cam swap can certainly turn into a lifetime project, but it doesn't
> necessarily have to (Greg B. swapped a cam, and drove the car the next week,
> so there's still hope...). All it takes is two things that, unfortunately,
> we often run out of in the middle of a project:
> 
> 1) MONEY, and
> 2) TIME!
> 
> One technique is to not start anything until you have bought *everything*,
> and budgeted at least $50-$100 for all the little things you might need to
> replace. Also make sure that everything you bought is the right piece; a
> project can grind to a halt if something is mistakenly shipped and the right
> part is backordered indefinitely. Line up other sources for emergency
> situations like this. Also make sure you are thoroughly familiar with the
> procedures for the work you are doing, and you have either borrowed or
> bought the tools you will need to complete the job. Of course, this all
> takes money.
> 
> Next, set aside definite blocks of time in which you can perform the work,
> and get a buddy to help you; not one who just likes to drink your beer, but
> one who knows about cars and who can actually help you get the job done
> quicker, preferrably someone who has done this kind of work before,
> preferrably on an Olds.

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:09:20 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Hilp w/ 66 TC ID, etc.

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Wait one. Here is from the FAQ;
> 
> W-30 Options- 52 from factory, ~13 more wer dealer add-ons
> (those 13 had un-numbered air cleaners)
> 
> All 1966 W-30s should have the cleaner to bumper intake ducting.
> 
> Here's a good ID; all _factory_ (no info on dealer add on) W-30's had battery
> mounted in trunk over right rear wheel.

Chris,

I talked to a man who said that the tfront turn lights were relocated
for the ductwork from the outside of the bumper slot to the inside.  You
might check that if it is true.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:55:15 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Overhauling a TH350

> I'm overhauling a TH350 and I'm trying to decide between getting a B&M
> Racing TransKit (with TransPak shift kit) and a TransCo master overhaul
> kit & shift kit.  They both cost roughly the same but can anyone
> recommend one over the other?
> 
> Thanks.
I've used the shift kits from both companys and liked the Transgo kit a lot
better. The Transgo kit was easier to install and offered more
adjustablity. It was about 8 years ago that I used the B&M kit so it is
possible that it has been improved. 

Daren

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:16:01 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: '64 - '67 4-4-2 option codes

> > I suspect that W-29 really came about in 1972, and we revisionist
> > historians projected its use back to the mid-sixties.  Is there
> anyone
> > with a 1965 build sheet out there to confirm that the actual option
> code
> > for a 4-4-2 in 1965 was in fact "4-4-2"?
>
> Actually someone sent me a copy of a well-worn 69 442 build sheet to
> decode for them.  In it was a "W-29 442 option" code, with a little
> star
> "* next to it and other codes (such as "Y73 hood stripe") with a
> legend
> indicating "*- STANDARD EQUIPMENT".  So there is documentation that
> proves the W-29 was used to signify 442 in '69 anyway.
>
> I always thought the 65-67 442 was an L- option and W-29 was from
> 68-80?.  I know the 85-87 code was W-42.  Of course, I could be wrong.
>
> Another 2 cents,
> Mike Rothe

Yeah, as far as I know Mike is correct.  I am the "someone" with the
build sheet to the '69 442 and as listed on the sheet there is the W-29
option with the star next to it.  Yup...says standard equip right
here...aue Ialokig a i..fy wold ikeacoy f the sheet to see for
yorslf...just send my your addie and its all yours.  

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:10:33 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of ram rods

> The 69 442 .
<SNIP>
  Would this be the air cleaner that is fetching such a high price?  And
if it is said air cleaner and it is an original part of this car would
not this car be a W-30 or W-29?

Ken, the air cleaner you are looking at is of the W-30/32 variety.  The
442 in itself is a W-29.  Yes, if the air cleaner is all original for
the car, then it is indeed a W-Machine.  Of course you will need to look
for hose holes in the front of the fenderwells, (either red W-30 or
black W-32 ones) brackets/scoops under the bumper, and look at the
bottom of the front fender brace.  Where it mounts to the body, there
should be no rubber in that area.  The engine will have "D" heads if it
is a W-30, and I believe "C" heads if it is a W-32.  The W-30 carb # is
7029254, and the W-32 used 7029251.

Brother's automotive is making repros for around $500.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:08:36 -0300
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Tool recommendation

At 12:25 AM 7/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 10:21 AM 7/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>using the old bearings is 8-12 inch pounds... <snip> ...do not carry torque
>>wrenches this precise. I would appreciate any recommendations on a quailty
>>tool. 
>
>Hmm, Sears lists them in their catalog, so that's always a possibility. Most
>auto parts stores carry tools, and this should be something they could get
>their hands on. Around here, I've seen them in the tool section of the
>discount stores.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Thanks for the input. The part stores I have been in since I have been
looking for this tool have only had the ft. lbs. bar type. Sears does sell
nice torque wrenches (I already own two). Unfortuantely the "smallest" one
they sell is 25-250 in. lbs., so the search continues. Right now I am
inclined to take Mike Roth's suggestion and flag down a Snap-On truck.

Thanks Again,
Ray

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 09:50:44 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Headers--  WARNING!!

Dr. Robert Barry wrote:

<snip>

 Hooker headers are reputed to fit best (I've only had experience with 
headers that *don't* fit that well).

<snip>
- -----------------------------------------

No! No! NO!!!  Don't go with Hooker Headers for your 64/65-- I made that
mistake last year when I ordered a set from the factory and had them sent
directly to Jet Coat. $700 later, I have a set of headers that looked nice,
but don't even come close to fitting my '65 442.  I called the factory
and according to their books, they did send me the "right" (?!) headers
for my application, and they can't take the Headers back because they've
been coated.

Save yourself the headache and go with Hedman-- They're cheaper, and they
fit quite nicely (for big blocks anyway).

Hope this is of some help!  :)

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 00:42:25 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: RE: Measuring radius of stripe curves.

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>Will anyone assist me in this?  I'm trying to measure the radius of the...

Get a compass, draw concentric circles on a sheet of tracing paper and 
compare to the radius of the stripes, until you find a good match to the 
curve. Then measure the distance from the center of the circle (the pivot pt 
of the compass) . This is your radius.
The other option is to draw two lines at 90 degrees to the circumference of 
the circle at two point on the circumference, at about 40 to 90 degrees 
apart. The distance at which these two lines intersect inside the circle 
will equal the radius of the circle as well as being the centre of the 
circle.
Clear as mud? I could draw it easier than explaining it.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 10:35:23 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds Show 7/13 in Maryland (Last Notice I Promise)

THIS SUNDAY JULY 13, 1997

Oldsmobile Centennial Club 1st Annual Show 
- ------------------------------------------
At Ernie Swanson Oldsmobile, 410 North Crain Highway, Glen Burnie, MD.  
Registration starts @ 10am, show from 11am-3pm. All Oldsmobiles Welcome. 
Anything from daily drivers, weekend cruisers, race cars and show trailer 
queens. $5 registration includes dash plaque and goodie bag to first 50 
Oldsmobiles through the gate. Non-judging show, but there will be special 
awards given for dealer's & people's choice.  50/50 drawing and door 
prizes. Door prize contributors so far include: K&N Engineering, Year One, 
Auto Custom Carpets, Apple Hydraulics, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Performance 
Suspension Technology and more.  

1969 Hurst/Olds to be raffled to a lucky contestant !!!
(Ok, it's a 1/18 scale metal Ertle model of a '69 H/O)

YOU CAN REGISTER AT THE GATE THE DAY OF THE SHOW!!!
- ---------------------------------------------------

Info: Brad Nicholson @ (410) 965-3825, e-mail: brad442@erols.com.
Web site: www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html 

Thanks for the bandwidth
==========================================================================  
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov  (H) brad442@erols.com 
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html 
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:24:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: Remove

REMOVE

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:46:29 -0500
From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Subject: Re: 81 Olds Cutlass wagon Parts

Sending again as I had a delivery failure.

Rob, out of curiosity where are you located and what are you asking for the
whole thing.  Thanks

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Buick skylark custom convertible

>Well....... It's time for the wagon to go, so I'm parting out this beast.
>All parts on the car are rust free, no body damage, except for minor door
>dings. The motor and tranny are gone, but everything else is there and
>available to anyone for any reasonable offer. If anybody is interested,
>Please contact me.
>Rob Turner
>Katana72@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 08:56:19 +0000
From: John Van Ouwerkerk <fivestarvid@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1964 Olds 98 convertible

I am looking for a part that controls the turn signal function. Its 
not the turn signal itself thats located on the steering wheel 
assembly. This is a part that located under the dash. It has 9 
connectors in a triangle configuration. The metal part that its 
fastened to is DR3 63. The part itsself has no markings on it but 
I'm told that part number is D62-32. The original GM part number is 
1993597. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
John

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:35:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: overheating?

Hi,

I may or may not have aproblem w/ my 70 cutlass 350 2b,  I replaced a hose and
a thermostat.  It seems like the system is building up too much pressure.  I
don't know what the engine is ruuning temp wise because All I have is the idiot
light.  I am getting coolant out of the overflow almost every time I go for a
spin.  Even on some short trips. 5-10 miles.  What is my problem?  I seem to
have good flow because I thought it was water pump.  Any Suggestions?

Thanks

Doug H

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 12:56:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Benton3@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re:'64-'67 4-4-2 option codes

	Looking through the 1966 Olds chassis service manual (copyright date 1965) on page 0-13(general information chapter) I find the following:

	"Factory Installed Optional Equipment"

  Listed were "only the items which effect adjustments or service procedures covered in this manual". Among the items listed are:
B-01 Police Apprehender-City Cruiser
B-07 Police Apprehender-Highway Patrol
C-48 Delete Heater & Defroster
G-80 Locking Type(Anti-Spin) Differential
M-20 Floor Shift 4-Speed Manual Transmission
M-21 Floor Shift 4-Speed Close Ratio Manual Transmission
W-29 442 Performance Package

	The engine options available were all listed with an L-xx code. As there is no mention of the L-69 Tri-carb 400, I have to assume the `65 printing date is correct.(W-30 cars not being offered until later in the sales year).Listed or mentioned engines are:
L-77 High Comp. Performance Engine(400 cu.in. in F-85)
L-78 High Comp. Performance Engine(400 cu.in. in 442)
	
	Prior to this (`65 and `64) there is no mention of production option codes in the chassis manuals. However, the April,1964(volume 14,no.4) issue of "The Oldsmobile Service Guild Training Manual" has an article entitled:

	"F-85 High Performance Option Released" 		

Oldsmobile has released a high performance option, B09, for all F-85 styles except station wagons. Cars with this option,which will be identified by a specially designed fender and deck medallion, are designed and engineered for police pursuit and other high performance users. Some of the special features of this option are listed below.
  Engine-310 H.P. high lift cam.
Dual snorkel heavy duty air cleaner.
M-400 main and rod bearings.
Camshaft with smaller base circle.
Longer push-rod. 
Shorter valve spring retainers.
10.25:1 compression ratio.
Dual exhaust.
  Differential-3.36:1 performance axle ratio.
  Tires & Wheels-7.50 x 14, 4-ply rated U.S. Royal nylon identified by a red stripe, mounted on 6" wide rims.
  Suspension-Both front and rear spring capacities increased.
Front stabilizer bar increased and additional stabilizer bar at rear.
Heavier control arm bushings and heavy duty shock absorbers.
  Steering-more positive steering due to a new manual gear having a steering ratio of 20:1 in place of the standard 24:1 ratio.
  Transmission-4-speed manual floor mounted transmission and heavy duty clutch.

	Since this article mentions "a specially designed fender and deck medallion",could this possibly pre-date the decision to call this the "442 Performance Package".

	The next mention of the 442 is in the February,1965
Service Guild Training Manual. The article states:

	Specifications For The 1965 4-4-2
  THe 1965 4-4-2 is equipped with special performance components that will require different specifications and parts than components on other models...

	The article goes on to describe engine specifications that are not common to other F-85 models.

	In summary, I propose that the option code W-29 was the production option code used for the 4-4-2 high performance package as early as 1966(especially since the W-30 option was offered the same year.This makes sense as the codes were designated as they were needed for each option. [i.e. W-31,W-32,etc.,etc.])
	I apologize for the length of my entry, but I hope it is of interest to someone!(Besides my `66 442 license plate reads "1966 W-29" since 1990)

					Benton3 
					OCA #17788
					Nor-Cal Olds Club #1543

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 11:22:37 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 81 Olds Cutlass wagon Parts

Just an idea here. Since the body is rust free and not damaged, what about 
dropping a motor and trans in, to sell it as a complete car. I think there 
would be even less demand for wagon parts of this vintage.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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Well....... It's time for the wagon to go, so I'm parting out this beast.
All parts on the car are rust free, no body damage, except for minor door
dings. The motor and tranny are gone, but everything else is there and
available to anyone for any reasonable offer. If anybody is interested,
Please contact me.

Rob Turner
Katana72@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 13:16:42 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Special

Anyone remember seeing a car like this back when, or know where any of 
these might be now?


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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Author:  David Parish dparish@inu.net

David,
In 1972 I worked as a mechanic at
Higham's Cadillac in Houston, Tx. Another mechanic at the shop, Larry, had a
68 or 69 Olds 442. It had the word "SPECIAL" on the fenders either above or
below the 442 emblems. The car had a 400CID engine with aluminum intake,
4.33 rear axle, 4 speed. It had no PB,A/C or PS. It also had aluminum front
fenders 
and a fiberglass hood. He used to recieve "packages" from Oldsmobile, ie
cams, intakes, carbs and the such for testing on the car. He ran it at the
track almost every weekend. Do you have any information on such a car? I know it
existed..I saw and road in it..veerryyy quick! Oh yeah..the car also had no
rear seat..only a fiberglass box type structure where the seat would normally
go. I think Larry said the car weighed less than 3000 lbs.

David Parish

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 97 13:41:44 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re[2]: Build date codes

Thanks Jason.

I think I made a mistake in thinking all the W or H/O cars for a year were 
built during one week!! They were probably all made during a continuous run 
during the years when W or H/O meant special engine, trans, eg. major 
components. For the other years, it was most likely random.

I guess the build date isn't really too important. And it seems that the 
small production covers a number of build months, not just one build week. 
'66 W-30s might cover only one week. I'd like to know what the build dates 
of listees W and H/O cars are. 

I'm not trying to make this into a "numbers matching" sort of thing, 
because whoever said it was right that the factory didn't care about 
collector arguments 30 years later, they cared about production. I'm trying 
to put together a list of items, including subtle ones, that distinguish 
these from regular Cutlass F-85 and 442. Like the extra thick balancer on 
the W-31. So to fake one, the faker would be spending as much on parts as a 
real W or H/O car, rather than $50 or so for emblems and paint. Ok, a 
couple hundred.

Could you W and H/O car owners send me your build date codes and any other 
subtleties that distinguish you car? I think the FAQ contains most major 
distinquishing characteristics.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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I can speak for the 80 442 W-30.  They were built randomly throughout the
year.  The way to verify a 1980 from the VIN is to make sure the first part
of the VIN checks back to a Cutlass Calais. The 442 W-30 option could only
be had on the Cutlass Calais platform.  From there the engine code in the
VIN must be an "R" which was a 350/4bbl.  The 350 could only be had with the
442 W-30 on 1980 G-body Olds. The body tag's only relevant information is
the paint code for upper and lower. The White/Gold or Black/Gold color
scheme was unique to the 442 W-30 option in 1980. Also for further proof the
80 442 W-30 got a TH-350 stamped with the code "LJ", no others got that.

Jason Labay
80 442 W-30
75 H/O W-25..(2)

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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 13:53:15 -0500
From: Richard Staley <rstaley@fastlane.net>
Subject: Re: Test, Please Ignore

Ray Moriarty wrote:
> 
> I will not eat them on a boat. I will not eat them with a goat. I will not
> eat green eggs and ham. I will not eat them Sam I am.
> 
> Hey, don't look at me. You opened the message. 

But why won't you eat them on a boat or a goat,why won't you eat them?
:)
	  RS,
	'70 442 w-25

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