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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 24 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 730

'67 98 4 door
Re: Concerning TH400 was 442=541?
Re: Lamb's Farm Auto Show
Body Tag Info-- 1965 442
Re: Need Dual Gate Cable
Re: Temp Gauge Blues
Vin stamped in frame Was: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?
2 ?'s: leaking fuel tank, front brakes
Re: Concerning TH400 was 442=541?
Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door
Re: engine/head id
Re: Use of 39 degree cam in 45 degree engine was engine/head ID
Running hot
Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door
GTO
SS II/III wheels, again
Re: Lamb's Farm Auto Show
Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door
Re: Vin stamped in frame Was: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?
Re: tire pressure
RE: 2 ?'s: leaking fuel tank, front brakes
Re: 442 - Here we go again
Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais '89
Re: Legal Problems
Re: Concerning TH400 was 442=541?
High RPM Problem
Re: Converters
Re: GTO
Re: tire pressure
Re: 1965 330 engine
Re: Body Tag Info-- 1965 442
1965 400ci engine/head id
Re: 1965 330 engine
Re: Use of 39 degree cam in 45 degree engine was engine/head ID
Re: Dyno places (was Overheating 455)
Re: Body Tag Info-- 1965 442
Re: Lamb's Farm Auto Show
Karl's Prob and Rocket Talk
Auto Show and Fuel Line Problem
street machine nats
Re: tire pressure
Edlebrock Intake Manifold
Re: Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais '89
Re: Does this make sense?
High heat
Olds cruisin '97
WTB: Assorted Olds Parts
Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door
Re: High heat
Re: Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais '89
Re: Olds cruisin '97
Re: Running hot
Re: Edlebrock Intake Manifold

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:20:15 -0300
Subject: '67 98 4 door

Anyone out there looking for parts from one of these? This one has power
windows and front seat. Can't remember about power locks. All glass is
good. Seats have a few rips - they are that funky and cumfy large verticle
rib type. Anyone need a Comfortron?

Also, these used a vacuum operated trunk opener, right? Will 10" of vacuum
do the job? Is there just a vacuum line running from the vacuum canister
back to a solenoid in the trunk?


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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:56:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Concerning TH400 was 442=541?

One of these days I'll add the transmission usage data from my shop manuals,
to the FAQ.

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However, these were differentiated into different models (tag code served to
enlighten) for high compression, low compression ...at least four variants in
1965.

anyway...


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  Eternal Gringing Repaired?

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:55:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Lamb's Farm Auto Show

From: David1756@aol.com

>Anyone else on this list attend today's show?  I arrived late, so missed some
>nice cars, but there were still some nice Olds there, 64 Jetstar, 72 Cutlass,
>68 Cutlass S Convert (modified), 76 98 2 dr, 62 98 convertible (*very nice*),
>and a bright red 50 4 door 88.

Opps.  Sounds like I just missed you.  I split around 2:30 when several
other IVOC people decided to leave.  You missed the white '65 442, the
black '70 442 (mine) the white '64 cutlass convertable, the red
'70 cutlass convertable and the blue 70 Delta 88 convertible stick (!).

I did get to meet Karl and his "Soylent Ocean Mist" Delta, and we talked later
on the phone about his fuel line.  Havent heard from him yet today, hope his
car didnt go up in a big ball of fire...  :-)

- -Jeff

1970  442  4-Speed

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:48:14 -0300
Subject: Body Tag Info-- 1965 442

Hi again,

Just wanted to ask if anyone is an "expert" on body tags, in
particular for 1965 442's. I'm kinda stuck, and could really
use some help.  TIA!!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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From: W304421970@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:05:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Need Dual Gate Cable

Try Brothers Automotive they have them in stock

70-75 floor shift cable with dual gate part ª dgg7075  price====$69.00

Brothers Automotive
Route 3, box 372
St, Joseph, mo 64505
(816) 662-2060

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:21:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Temp Gauge Blues

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> I'm having a temperature problem with my '71 442 and was hoping for
> suggestions.
> I have a rallye pak, and the temp gauge always read 1/4, and would go up
> to 1/2 while sitting in traffic.  To help reduce the temp increase at
> low speeds I installed a fan shroud and 6 blade fan (OEM) with a clutch
> about a week ago.  At the same time I installed a new lower radiator
> hose and filled up the system (did not flush anything).  Since that time
> the temp gauge has been reading about 1/2 while driving at highway
> speeds, and has even approached 3/4 (doing 70 on a cool evening), but
> then dropped to about 1/2 while going through a parking lot.
>....


Kurt,
first thing, which you have already heard, is get a 4 core or atleast a
very good 3 core rad. As for your problem right now, changing to a 160
degree thermostat may not be a good thing. Remember that you car is
currently running hot, that means that the rad is not cooling the water
enough, and by changing to a 160, the water may infact become even
hotter, for the simple fact that the water in the rad will be exchanged
at an increased rate the hotter the engine becomes, thereby not allowing
the water in the rad to cool down enough before it re-enters the
engines. This will occur enough that one day you may experience a boil
over.
When you do get a new rad, my experiences have told me not to buy a rad
that has too many closely spaced fins. I had a 3 core that had a much
higher fin density than normal and I too had a little trouble trying to
keep my temps down. I came to the conclusion that fin density affects
the rate and amount of air being pushed through the core. That rad got
muched buy a freak accident (the fan ate it..too long of a story to tell
right now), so the replacement rad that I purchased had a normal fin
spacing, mind you, I havn't counted them but it was not a dense and the
first rad I had. I used the same fluid and noticed that my cooling
annoiences had disappeared. With the 180 thermostat the car stays firm
during normal idle sessions in the garage or outside. So fin density
does make a difference. We should count the fin denisty between
separators to find out if infact they do make a difference. Since I
working on the car right I will count them and let everyone know.

Fernando
'72 442

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 12:57:56 -0300
Subject: Vin stamped in frame Was: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?

Since Jim Chermack stated Vin numbers in the chassis, I was wondering if
the VIN number (or part of it) is indeed stamped into the frames?
Specifically in 1969.
Thanks
Chris Smetana
csmetana@disc.sony.com

At 10:52 AM 6/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know what if ANY difference there is between a 1966
>> convertibles chasis frame and a 67's?  The reason I ask is I was told
>> that the only difference is bolt on vs. press in coil springs.  Is this
>> true?
>
> I put a 1966 frame under my 1967 442 Convertible.  As far as I can tell
>there are
>no differences.
>
>Ken
Ken
        There are NO differences. 64 and 65 cars were slightly different.
Unless someone read the VIN numbers in the chassis they would not know the
difference.
Jim Chermack
>
>

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From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 14:39:22 -0300
Subject: 2 ?'s: leaking fuel tank, front brakes

Question 1:

When I was out this weekend with a fully loaded car (5 adults
and a full trunk of luggage), I noticed that after we stopped
I had a gas leak coming from the front of the gas tank.

I was parked heading downhill, so I moved it to level ground
and the leak stopped.

Details:

the leak was coming from the front end of the tank, dripping
off the edge in at least 2 places, just behind the transaxle.

the tank was less than 1/2 full.

the decline I was parked on was not incredibly steep, maybe
a 1 foot drop over 3-5 feet.

As I was looking at it from behind, I noticed the rear edge of
the gas tank (middle seam) had a few areas that looked as though they'd
been
damp recently as well.

The springs must be pretty tired, because the rear end was riding
pretty low with all of us in it.  I think we hit bottom a couple of
times.

Question 2:

Last year I had my car in for brake work, and the rear shoes were
completely rebuilt.  Also got that big round thing under the hood
replaced, whatever that is ...

The guy said the front discs looked fine, so he didn't replace them.

Now I'm convinced that the fronts aren't providing any braking, because
 - the braking is not impressive
 - the front end doesn't drop at all under heavy braking.

what do I check for?  brake line air bubbles?
- --
Have you backed up your data today?
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Jar Lyons
jarl@atrieva.com
Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
600 University Street, Suite 911
Seattle, WA  98101
Voice: (206) 749-2914,
Fax:   (206) 382-6615
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
                       455 Rocket Powered
                'How fast do you want to go today?'
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:07:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Concerning TH400 was 442=541?

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
> I would not be too sure about that. As per earlier enlightenment by Dr. Bob
> (BTW an honorary member of T.H.O.R.!) TH400 was the _only_ automatic
> transmission available during the general time period including 1965.
> However, these were differentiated into different models (tag code served to
> enlighten) for high compression, low compression ...at least four variants
in > 1965. > > anyway... > >   Karl Aune >   1965 Dynamic 88 >   Chicago, IL >
Member, OCA > >   http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html > >   Eternal
Gringing Repaired? Don't forget about the Jetaway. As a '65 sales brochure
says "Jetaway Drive gives smooth quick starts automatically, provides instant
performance in all speed ranges with variable-vane torque converter." The
TH400 was the only 3-speed auto in '65. Look up the tranny for a Jetstar 88 in
your chassis manual.

Daren

'65 Dynamic 88
The look that says "action"
... the action that says "look"!

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:14:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> We have just acquired a 69 Cutlass Supreme Holiday 4 door from Texas to part
> out.
> The drivetrain is spoken for but ALL body parts are mint condition.
>         These parts are all extemely nice.
>
> Jim Chermack
> OCA ª24275
> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> 72 442 (350)
> 86 Ninety Eight
> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> 96 C-1500
> Virginia Beach, VA
> (757) 474-0869

If the parts are "mint condition" & "extremely nice" why are you
destroying the car?

Daren

'65 Oldsmobile
Styled to go ... where the action is!

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:19:44 -0300
Subject: Re: engine/head id

R4C442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hey Guys,
>         An engine with "A" heads can be the 400 as well as the 425. Trust
> me...I've looked at one for over 32 years!
>                                                        Ron Forsee
>                                                         65 442-Meister
That's right.

Daren

'65 Oldsmobile
The Rocket Action Cars ... with a price for every pocket!
Ninety-Eight  Starfire Delta 88  Dynamic 88  Jetstar 1  Jetstar 88
Vista-Cruiser  F-85

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:35:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Use of 39 degree cam in 45 degree engine was engine/head ID

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
> Yes Edelbrock has a nice performance package in the Performer. I will get
> this manifold when I am able.

The Performer intake is a stock replacement intake so the advantage
using one will be the wieght savings and maybe a little cooler intake
runners.

> I know that I am coming due for an overbore, and I have been using lead
> substitute (two not related). If it turns out that I need a valve job, I
will > locate and buy a separate set of A (or maybe some really rusty C) heads
so > that I have a set to work on while the other is in the car.

Does your car smoke? My old man used my car while his 5th Avenue was in
the shop getting it's monthly repair (no joke!). He put some "Instead
O'lead" in it when he filled it up and it smoked like it was burning a
quart of oil a mile. That was the only time it smoked so that was the
only time it got lead substitute.

>   Karl Aune
>   1965 Dynamic 88
>   Chicago, IL
>  Member, OCA
>
>   http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
>
>   Entirely Gone Rampant

Daren

'65 Dynamic 88
The look that says "action"
... the action that says "look"!

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:48:47 -0300
Subject: Running hot

Hi all

My 69 Cutlass with A/C and a 350 2 barrell is running a little hot lately.
I'm sure the fact that it's been around 90 with a heat index over 100
outside
has something to do with it.  When I bought the car last October, it
consistently
ran at about 160 degrees when warmed up. Lately it's been running at 190 or
a little higher. It defintely is a little higher at slower speeds/rpm's.

I haven't ran the A/C yet this year (it's a convertible, so tops been down
a lot).
I notice that if I run the heater (experimenting with the temp gauge, not
for enjoyment!)
that tends to keep the temp a little lower.

I checked the coolant/water level, and it was fine.  The mixture is quite
foamy however.
I think I remember someone on this list commenting about a similar problem
and mentioned that the foam indicates transmission fluid in the radiator??
Is that right?

Anyway, any suggestions will be appreciated, as always!!


Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass "S" (stands for sweat!) convertible

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 15:51:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> We have just acquired a 69 Cutlass Supreme Holiday 4 door from Texas to
part > out.
> The drivetrain is spoken for but ALL body parts are mint condition.
>         These parts are all extemely nice.
>
> Jim Chermack
> OCA ª24275
> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
> 72 442 (350)
> 86 Ninety Eight
> 94 Cutlass Supreme
> 96 C-1500
> Virginia Beach, VA
> (757) 474-0869

If the parts are "mint condition" & "extremely nice" why are you
destroying the car?

Daren

'65 Oldsmobile
Styled to go ... where the action is!



*****because selling the parts for over $3,800 is more cost effective that
selling the car for half that! Right Jim??*****

Mike Baugher
'69 Cutlass convertible
I need that mint front bumper, but I also need my $225!

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From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:13:37 -0300
Subject: GTO

STOP!!

Many would pass up any message that says GTO, but please read this. I
am asking for the help of fellow Oldsmobile owners. I am currently on
deployment in the Persian Gulf with only E-mail access available. I
would like to ask any motivated OLDS owner to please tell me of some
E-mail networks pertaining to Pontiac/GTO that I can reach from the
boat. That is my next project car. Many should be just as happy
because I am sticking with OLDS' sister Pontiac. I will never bow to
the bowtie or the F*RD!!! NEVER!!!

any help is much appreciated.

Ben
62 OLDS F-85
68 OLDS 442

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:36:31 -0300
Subject: SS II/III wheels, again

I sent this last week and there was no reply, so I'm assuming no one knows?


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Can anyone id these SS II/III wheels? Are any of these for a specific model
or pretty much generic? I think the second set of numbers is some sort of
manufacturing date/time code, any ideas on decoding those? How about no
stamping on a 15x7 w/rounded corner inserts?

Marked on inside diameter of rim (where hub or drum sits when mounted on
car), push on center cap, sharp corner inserts:
   13x5 1/2 JB
  1   4   83   Z   B

Marked on outside diameter of rim (tire would hide stamping), rounded
corner inserts:
   15x7 JJ
  D   2   10   8

What are some other ids (in place of the JB or JJ) and application?

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:47:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Lamb's Farm Auto Show

Sorry, I didn't make it. Too much other stuff to do, etc. I'm planning on
going to the Wisconsin OCA Chapter's show at Renner Olds in Milwaukee. Hope
to see a bunch of people there - like I should really talk! Would have
loved to see that '70 D88 w/stick shift!


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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:42:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

At 03:14 PM 6/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>>
>> We have just acquired a 69 Cutlass Supreme Holiday 4 door from Texas to
part >> out. >> The drivetrain is spoken for but ALL body parts are mint
condition. >>         These parts are all extemely nice. >> >> Jim Chermack
>> OCA ª24275 >> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32 >> 72 442 (350) >> 86 Ninety Eight
>> 94 Cutlass Supreme >> 96 C-1500 >> Virginia Beach, VA >> (757) 474-0869 >
>If the parts are "mint condition" & "extremely nice" why are you >destroying
the car? > >Daren > >'65 Oldsmobile >Styled to go ... where the action is! >

This car was purchased 6 years ago and has been a daily driver since. The
original engine was shot due to lack of maintanence. The drive train is
going back into it's respective vehicle again. Right now between three of
us, we have 16 cars. 'm not going through the hassle of putting another
complete drivetrain in it and selling it to some kid to wrap around a phone
pole. Which is what happend to my 64 442 I sold. Again too many cars. This
car would need some body work to block the side to make it really straight
and $1500.00 in paint and another $800.00 to do a 4 door interior. So we
decided the best thing to do was part the body. The 68 Ram Rod the engine
belongs to is worth having done before I'd restor another 4 door.

Jim Chermack

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:51:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Vin stamped in frame Was: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis
frames?

At 12:57 PM 6/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
They are there. Look at the area on the rear frame kick up below the trunk.
It's usually upside down and most I've found were on the passenger side. It
will only be part of it similar to the engine VIN stamp. The letters are
approx. 1/4-3/16 th inch high.

Jim Chermack
>
>Since Jim Chermack stated Vin numbers in the chassis, I was wondering if
>the VIN number (or part of it) is indeed stamped into the frames?
>Specifically in 1969.
>Thanks
>Chris Smetana
>csmetana@disc.sony.com
>
>At 10:52 AM 6/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what if ANY difference there is between a 1966
>>> convertibles chasis frame and a 67's?  The reason I ask is I was told
>>> that the only difference is bolt on vs. press in coil springs.  Is this
>>> true?
>>
>> I put a 1966 frame under my 1967 442 Convertible.  As far as I can tell
>>there are
>>no differences.
>>
>>Ken
>Ken
>        There are NO differences. 64 and 65 cars were slightly different.
>Unless someone read the VIN numbers in the chassis they would not know the
>difference.
>Jim Chermack
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:02:57 -0300
Subject: Re: tire pressure

STEVEN METH wrote:
>
> What is the proper tire pressure for a 1985 olds regency? I have
>michelin
> tires ªxw4's. await your reply. Thanks!


Uhhh, the tire manufacturer usually puts the recommended pressure right
on the tire.  Usually somewhere around 30-35 psi.  Look for it on the
sidewall of the tire.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:09:14 -0300
Subject: RE: 2 ?'s: leaking fuel tank, front brakes

I'm not sure about the gas tank leak but the brake system is another
story.

It sounds like your mechanic replaced your rear shoes and power booster.
Where the problem may lie is in the brake system distribution valve, a
very often overlooked item on the driver's side front clip frame rail.
This
valve, very extremely reliable, may after 25 years of service, have gone
bad.  It's purpose was to distribute the proper amount of braking force
to the front and rear brakes, usually 60 percent to the front with 40 to
the rear.

The other possibility is that with the replacement of the power booster,
did the mechanic bench bleed the master cylinder prior to
reinstallation.
If he didn't bench bleed it, did he at least bleed it on the car.

To properly bleed the master cylinder on the car (GM in particular) you
need to jack up the back end until the master cylinder is level, then
proceed with the bleed procedure.

There's my two cents worth.

Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme


>----------
>From: Jar Lyons[SMTP:jarl@atrieva.com]
>Sent: Monday, 1997 June, 23 13:39 14:21
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 2 ?'s: leaking fuel tank, front brakes
>
>Question 1:
>
>When I was out this weekend with a fully loaded car (5 adults
>and a full trunk of luggage), I noticed that after we stopped
>I had a gas leak coming from the front of the gas tank.
>
>I was parked heading downhill, so I moved it to level ground
>and the leak stopped.
>
>Details:
>
>the leak was coming from the front end of the tank, dripping
>off the edge in at least 2 places, just behind the transaxle.
>
>the tank was less than 1/2 full.
>
>the decline I was parked on was not incredibly steep, maybe
>a 1 foot drop over 3-5 feet.
>
>As I was looking at it from behind, I noticed the rear edge of
>the gas tank (middle seam) had a few areas that looked as though they'd
>been
>damp recently as well.
>
>The springs must be pretty tired, because the rear end was riding
>pretty low with all of us in it.  I think we hit bottom a couple of
>times.
>
>Question 2:
>
>Last year I had my car in for brake work, and the rear shoes were
>completely rebuilt.  Also got that big round thing under the hood
>replaced, whatever that is ...
>
>The guy said the front discs looked fine, so he didn't replace them.
>
>Now I'm convinced that the fronts aren't providing any braking, because
> - the braking is not impressive
> - the front end doesn't drop at all under heavy braking.
>
>what do I check for?  brake line air bubbles?
>--
>Have you backed up your data today?
>Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com
>
>Jar Lyons
>jarl@atrieva.com
>Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
>600 University Street, Suite 911
>Seattle, WA  98101
>Voice: (206) 749-2914,
>Fax:   (206) 382-6615
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
>                       455 Rocket Powered
>                'How fast do you want to go today?'
>------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

------------------------------

From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:50:23 -0300
Subject: Re: 442 - Here we go again

Hey Bob!
             I agree 100% with what you say regarding what is/isn't really
important
when us'ns Oldsmobile folk are a-talkin' amongst us-selves. Generically
speaking, the first 442's were absolutely a Cutlass option, and they were
definitely different from their Cutlass brethren. They were,however, a result
of the omni-present marketing group and as such were trying to fill a niche
among the somewhat fledgeling "musclecar" upstarts. When it became obvious
that  the "option" line couldn't possibly keep up with the rising demand, it
was decided to give the 442 it's own dedicated manufacturing roots. It had
nothing to do with the "purity" of the finished product as much as with
"pure" economics.
              This should in no way cast a disparaging comparison between the
Cutlass and what it offered (ride,handling, room, quality...remember that
it's chief competitor was Chevelle) and the 442 which  in most cases offerred
not only what the Cutlass did, but added "performance" to the equation.
                                                                Ron Forsee 65
442-Meister

P.S. Not to start another mess, but, 3.91 was not available in 1965. 3.90
was.
        I sincerely look forward to seeing all of you in Lansing. (Little
Richard,what a blast!) Also, would anybody object if I left my header caps at
home?

------------------------------

From: "Enrique Zapata" <ezapata@telnor.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:03:17 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais '89

Is there such a group where I can post parts that I need for a 1989 Calams?
   I see this mailing list is for older
cars...

Enrique
ezapata@telnor.net

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:34:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

At 04:00 PM 6/19/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in my
car >('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts. > >     belts.  This
was a federal requirement and there was no way for GM to >     get out of it.
Either yours has been removed or the bench is not >     original in that car.


Or maybe the original belts are still there, but are stuck way down in the
nooks and crannys of the seat-back? Worth a look...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:34:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Concerning TH400 was 442=541?

At 01:14 AM 6/21/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>>Then Olds also disgraced the name in '65, and in '66, and '67, and '68 and
>>>69 and '70 and so on.  A TH-400 was available in '65 and up 442's.
>>> Just one small point;  Olds didn't offer a TH-400 on anything except full
>>> sized cars until 1967.  442s had two-speed automatics until 1967!
>
>I would not be too sure about that. As per earlier enlightenment by Dr. Bob
>(BTW an honorary member of T.H.O.R.!) TH400 was the _only_ automatic
>transmission available during the general time period including 1965.

W H O A ! ! ! Nope, sorry 'bout that, but the big "Triple-E" is right; the
F-85/Cutlass cars got the Jetaway "2.5 speed" transmission (marketed that
way due to the switch-pitch converter), even in the 442 line, up through
'66, and it was the base automatic transmission on those cars with the
regular 350 even through 1969.

In fact, I believe the Jetstar 88 and even the later 2-bbl 350 88's came
with the Jetaway; gotta check the codes from my '69 shop manual on that one,
but it's what I recall. Of course, the Jetaway on the low-line 88's would
have been an extra-cost option *over* the standard 3-speed, column-shifted
manual transmission. With a 2-bbl and the 2.56 rear, I bet that car could
_really_ burn rubber!  ;)

>However, these were differentiated into different models (tag code served to
>enlighten) for high compression, low compression ...at least four variants in
>1965.

Yes, but that would only apply to full-size, big-block cars (but, after all,
what other cars count, huh Karl??? ;)

Of course, Karl, if your car had the 330 as you originally thought (feared),
you too would have that wonderful "2.5 speed" Jetaway.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Schaack's" <shaqboyz@sbt.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:56:36 -0300
Subject: High RPM Problem

I have been fighting with this problem in my '66 Ninety Eight for a while.  It
 has the original 425 still in it.  It only has 93,000 miles on it but plenty
of problems as always.  It idles and runs very well.  When I step it to the
floor the car will take off hard and then start to spit and sputter and
backfire when it gets to the high RPM's just before it's about to shift.  If
I back off the pedal just a little bit it will shift and stop doing this.  I
have put on an HEI ignition, a Holley 600 CFM carb, and the timing has been
set.  I had this problem before and after I put on the ignition and the carb.
I think the fuel pump is newer, but should I put on a new one anyway, maybe a
higher pressure one like Holley's model ªHLY-12-836 that pumps 80 gph at 7
psi.  Or do I need something to increase the spark, like one of the products
from MSD ignition. Any advice would be greatly appreciated, thanks in
advance!

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:34:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Converters

At 12:11 AM 6/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Can someone describe in layman's terms the basics of the variable/switch
>pitch converter on my '67 TH400?  I understand the concept, but the
>practical how & when it works is a bit fuzzy.  I have one of these extra
>(less converter).  Aren't these the ones they refer to with 28 or some
>number of splines & less desirable then later year TH400?

That spline-thing refers to the rear axle shafts; that's a whole-'nuther
topic.

A converter's stall speed refers to the speed at which the engine will not
increase any more, if the car is in drive and the wheels are locked, and the
throttle is opened all the way (it's an approximation). Most stock
converters have a low stall speed, usually around 1600-1800 rpm, while
performance converters have higher stall speeds, which usually range from
2000rpm (mild) to 3000rpm (more wild). When you're above 3000rpm, you're
pretty much into a radical street engine/pure strip converter.

A high-stall converter allows the engine to rev quicker to its power band on
takeoff, and usually multiplies the torque to the wheels more than a
low-stall converter. The tradeoff is more slippage around town at low
speeds, which increases the ATF temperature, and decreases the life of the
transmission, as well as fuel economy.

When GM introduced its Turbo-Hydramatics in 1965, they included a
"Switch-pitch" converter (not a true variable-pitch converter, since it only
had two settings), which had two distinct stall speeds. At idle and takeoff,
the converter was switched to its high-stall speed for less resistance at
idle and better acceleration. Once underway, the car switched over to its
low stall speed, for less slippage and better economy/efficiency. This
operation was controlled by a throttle-actuated switch, which actuated a
switch on the transmission, which would direct ATF to different channels in
the tranny's input shaft to change the position of the Torque converter
blades.

This same technology was applied to the 2-speed Jetaway, which was then
labeled as a "2.5 speed" transmission. Oh, and the '66-'67 Toros had this
setup as well, so your '66 has that converter too, Lisa!

When Olds introduced its 455 in '68, they decided that the extra torque
offset the need for the sophistication (and extra cost and complexity) of
the switch-pitch design, which few people really appreciated at the time.

Buick is best known for using this setup, though, and Kenne Bell creates
custom converters with whatever stall speeds you want, so you can have a
3500rpm stall for the track, and cruise home with the 1500rpm stall engaged.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:39:57 -0300
Subject: Re: GTO

LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
>
> STOP!!
>  I
> would like to ask any motivated OLDS owner to please tell me of some
> E-mail networks pertaining to Pontiac/GTO that I can reach from the
> boat.


I have no idea about any pontiac lists, but I will tell you this.. I was
driving my aqua 67 442 Convertible around at local cruise night with my
wife at my side.  I stop at a light, look over and see a purple 1967 GTO
hardtop in the lane next to mine.  The guy revs the motor abit.  The
wife frowns (not one for racing, that one).  The light goes green and I
hesitate to see if he's gonna go for it.  He does.  I caught him befor
he got to the other side of the intersection and had a car length or two
by the top of
second gear.  Not wanting to go to jail, I let off somewhere in third
gear.  Later in the night I'm pulling onto the freeway.  What buzzes up
beside me?  An aqua 1967 GTO hardtop.  I assume he has a 4 speed cuz we
were rolling at about 20mph and he's reving the motor.  I downshift to
1st (not very much there at 20mph but what the hell) I steady pulled
away from him thru all 4 gears till my car topped out (95mph/5000rpm)
and I had to let off.  What seemed like a few hours later he caught me
and blew by me.  Guess he has them there freeway gears..  In conclusion
I just gotta say that a stock 1967 toro 425 in front of an M-21 close
ratio with a 4.10 rear end in a 67 442 convertible body is more than a
match for a stock 67 GTO. I would imagine it would put a hurtin' on the
68-69 400 GTO's too..

Ken
1967 442 "Goat Slayer"

------------------------------

From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:22:29 -0300
Subject: Re: tire pressure

In response to " the tire manufacturer usually puts the recommended tire
pressure on the tire"   Wrong!!!!!!!!   This is in my opinion the most
misunderstood aspect of car ownership.  Every tire has the maximum
recommended pressure for that tire listed on the tire.  That means any
more pressure than recommeded and all guarantees are off if something
happens to the tire.  It in know way is meant to be a specific
recommendation for a particular car.  That information is in the owners
manual or posted in a comvenient place like the door jamb.  Tire
pressure is directly related to the size of the rubber footprint your
car makes.  This is taken into consideration by the car engineers when
they design braking, weight balance  (percent front vs. rear) cornering
etc.  Too much pressure and the footprint is smaller than needed and a
ruff ride.   This can then affect braking, tire spinning etc.  Many rear
engine cars (Porche, Corvairs) require 5-8 pound difference in an effort
to shift weight forward and equalize footprint size.  With ABS brakes
and electronic traction control it becomes even more important.  And if
you have a pre-radial tire car your probably going to have to run more
pressure that was recommended for the old bias-belted.  Example: my '63
starfire calls for 24 lbs pressure.  Impossible to run that low in
radial tires without creating wobble.  I run 32LBS.  Trial and error
method determined this.  Even tire shops seem to be making this mistake
about tire pressure and the kids working a rapid oil change places are
also usually mis-informed. Ask around most people know nothing about the
importance of tire pressure -  maybe I've taught a few now.  Sorry for
this lecture and remember to ckeck pressure when the tires are cold.

------------------------------

From: Ryan Hehn <ryanh@docker.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:34:56 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 330 engine

Dan Hamlett wrote:
> Ryan Hehn wrote:
> >
> > In our local paper there is a 1965 Olds F-85 for sale.  Apparently the
> > car was recently restored, including a rebuild of the 330 (listed at 300
> > HP).  Also included are a set of Radial TA's.
> >
> > Anyway, the car has been written off and the owner wants to sell it for
> > $500.  This sounds like a good price for even just a rebuilt 330, so I'm
> > kind of tempted.
> >
> > Would the 330 be suitable for my '81 Cutlass Supreme?  I'm assuming it
> > would use the same motor mounts as a 455.. Please correct me if I'm
> > wrong.  Also, my dad tells me that these 330's required the old premium
> > gas... If this is the case, would it need octane booster at every fill?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Ryan Hehn
> > ryanh@docker.com
> Let me get this straight, this guy is seeling a 65 F-85 with the 310 HP
> 330 in it RESTORED for 500 bucks and YOU wanna know if you can put the
> 330 in an 81 CS?????  Your kidding, RIGHT???  Your FUNNY.

PLEASE, give me some credit.  If the car wasn't ***WRITTEN OFF*** (ie.
destroyed, the body is beyond repair due to an accident) of course I
would buy the car for the car and not the motor.  I ***DID*** mention
this fact in my original message.

Thanks for your reply anyway,

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:16:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Body Tag Info-- 1965 442

Scott,
What info do you need concerning body tags? If I don't know, I can make up
something.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:31:38 -0300
Subject: 1965 400ci engine/head id

In a message dated 97-06-23 20:13:14 EDT, you write:

> >
>  > Hey Guys,
>  >         An engine with "A" heads can be the 400 as well as the 425.
Trust
>  > me...I've looked at one for over 32 years!
>  >                                                        Ron Forsee
>  >                                                         65 442-Meister
>

OK

Did see a 1965 Cutlass/F-85 442 allaged to have 400cid motor inside. The code
above the water pump read; 389298B. The heads were A. There was no "400" on
the heads that I could see (block ID was readable but forgot to remember it)
but I believe that the cylinder head also read a number that was not 383812
as mine read. The only reason that I previously thought that there were no
1965 400's is that my 1965 Chassis manual only mentions 330 and 425. Are
these markings correct for IDing the 1965 400 and are there other markings?

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:42:36 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 330 engine

"Premium Gasoline Only"

This does appear on a number of models. I suspect that modern regular
unleaded is approximately as clean as the old leaded premium but I cannot
make an octane comparison. I would suggest that the only cases where premium
really should be used is in engines known to have high compression. But that
is just my opinion.



  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  (witticism)


------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:46:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Use of 39 degree cam in 45 degree engine was engine/head ID

In a message dated 97-06-23 15:33:27 EDT, you write:

>
>  Does your car smoke? My old man used my car while his 5th Avenue was in
>  the shop getting it's monthly repair (no joke!). He put some "Instead
>  O'lead" in it when he filled it up and it smoked like it was burning a
>  quart of oil a mile. That was the only time it smoked so that was the
>  only time it got lead substitute.
>
>
My car does not smoke. It does have a drinking problem though. I have
diagnosed the need of overbore from it's mysterious oil consumption (very
slow) and mild blow-by. Besides, I am getting on towards 90K miles.



  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  (witticism)


------------------------------

From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:54:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Dyno places (was Overheating 455)

Hi,
     The shop that dynoed my engine does the testing. You bring him the
engine he sets it up a performs the tests. I am from the Western New York
area and dyno time this time of year is hard to get. If you are spending the
money to rebuild a motor it is worth the extra to run it on the dyno first.
Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham



------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 18:29:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Body Tag Info-- 1965 442

smardale@airmail.net wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> Just wanted to ask if anyone is an "expert" on body tags, in
> particular for 1965 442's. I'm kinda stuck, and could really
> use some help.  TIA!!
>
> Scott Martindale
> smardale@airmail.net
> 1965 442 Holiday Coupe
> 1965 442 Convertible

Scott,

Post it and we'll see what we can do with it.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 21:54:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Lamb's Farm Auto Show

I did see the 70 Delta stick with 455 - very cool.
David

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:37:42 -0300
Subject: Karl's Prob and Rocket Talk

Oooops.

For some reason I cannot access rocket talk.

Bummer.

Hopefully a speed-effective contingency;

Contingency: Email me Directly at KarlAunan@aol.com

This may go faster than posting through majordomo.

Thanks


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  (witticism)


------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:06:47 -0300
Subject: Auto Show and Fuel Line Problem

Well,

Actually the '70 Delta was a 1975 Delta 88 with 455ci engine and "three on
the tree"! It is supposedly the only one known to exist of two actually made.
The space above the steering column where the gearshift indicator would be in
automatic transmission models was not punched out for an indicator. Owner did
not seem to know what axle gear ratio he had.

And no, the only flames today were emitted from my ears after I spent about
1/2 hour looking at an isle section at pep boys that was all brass fittings.
I had been directed there when I asked for assistance. Great.

Problem is this; I recently realized I was leaking fuel from the carb end of
my metal (not copper) fuel line. Apparently I had twisted the line when I
removed or replaced the carburetor for rebuilding. The main difficulty is
that the carb-end fittings are frozen together and will not budge! To remove
the carburetor I unscrewed it from the fuel line and not the other way around
(messy). I aspire to replace the %ª&$(@aol.com ) thing with braided hose. The
hose I can get for about $20. It is the fittings I am having a problem with.
I do not know what size they are. Furthermore, I do not seem to have a wrench
that fits the fittings properly (do _not_ want to use vise grips). I am sure
it is just that I am lacking the right wrench. Apparently I can get fittings
for 1/4, 5/16 and 3/8 sizes but what about tube sizing vs. NPT sizing? I
presume that I need a tube size to hose adapter but what size tube fitting?

Would someone willing to help and having info meet me later at Chuck's chat
room?

I would like to do the swap ASAP and cannot rely on swift Email response
because of AOL mail delays (I might get this message next week!).

I will be there at approx 9pm and check periodically thereafter.

Thanks Everybody!


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

  (witticism)  Sorry, not feeling too witty today.


------------------------------

From: kdporter <kdporter@midwest.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:50:03 -0300
Subject: street machine nats

- --
Anybody going to the street machine nationals in DuQuion Ill this
weekend?

Ken Porter
70'Rallye 350
84'cutlass 455
kdporter@midwest.net

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:58:50 -0300
Subject: Re: tire pressure

STEVEN METH wrote:
>
> What is the proper tire pressure for a 1985 olds regency? I have michelin
> tires ªxw4's. await your reply. Thanks!


Well, I have an 85 service manual that shows maybe a close match of your
regency.  A "B" body, unless it is a station wagon, comes in at 240 kPa,
or 35 psi front and rear.  The tire placard on the inside of the
driver's door (hopefully it is still there) should provide you with the
correct tire inflation.  It really depended on the size of your tread
footprint, but in the manual, no car was listed at over 35 psi.  Some
were lower, but never over 35.

Hope it's a start.....

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 17:50:39 -0300
Subject: Edlebrock Intake Manifold

I have a 72 Cutlass S with the 350 2bbl. I have a Q-jet to be rebuilt,
and I would like to install a Edelbrock Performer aluminum intake
manifold. Has anyone had any experience with this manifold? I'm hoping
to increase my gas mileage (at least if I kepp my foot out of the
secondaries :)). As it is, I get about 13MPG.

JR

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 22:52:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais '89

Enrique,

You can post your needs here.  There are some Calais Quad 442 lovers
here.

Jeff.

'91 Quad 442 W-41

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 20:39:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Does this make sense?

>
>         BTW- I checked the FAQ, it says that my engine should be blue? IT'S
> GOLD! Is this right? Or, does this mean I have an improper engine in the
> 73? Please, help me!

Gold is what 350s are painted. Now it is possible that someone along the
line might have repainted the engine gold. 455s started off being
painted red and then metallic blue.

Danny

'70 442
'70 W-30 4 spd
'70 442 dual gate

------------------------------

From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:51:01 -0300
Subject: High heat

Can anyone help with a high heat problem I have with my 69 442 conv with
a 455cid. I have a great deal of heat in the driving compartment.
This heat seams to come from under the dash and from the floor. The
floor gets so hot I can't put bear feet on it for long after driving for
a while. As far as the heat from under the dash, I have disconected
the heater core but that didn't seem to help much if at all.
Any help would be great. Thank you.

------------------------------

From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:15:56 -0300
Subject: Olds cruisin '97

Okay guys, listen to my story.

Last night, me and my friend Sammy, (owns a ThunderChicken =p ) were
out cruisin in my Cutlass. We were just lopin along the streets lookin
for whoever or chicks or somethin' to do. We had just gotten done
talking to my friend Jimmy (who owns an '88 Cutlass Calais International
Quad4). We sometimes don't like to hang 'round with him, he can get to
be annoying (don't worry, this story's going somewhere). So, anyway
Sammy's driving; he loves my car too =). We're just coming out of a bank
parking lot, when down the road to our left, I see the rear-end of my
friend's dad's '69 Hurst I had posted about earlier. I yell "THERE'S
DON!! SAMMY, GO CATCH 'IM!". Sam, still reluctant to hit the pedal,
gives her a slight boost, turns right at the four way stop, and ends up
behind the 69. Oooooooohhhmygosh! Drool city! He has that thing all
original, including a leaky master cylinder , cruddy SSII's, and holey
exhaust pipes. But through the nicely polished trumpets, you could
easily hear the THUMP of the 455 over the 350's puny efforts to match
the tune. He was turning left, as were we. He revved it and it stalled
just as the light turned green. We turned, and just as we had completed
the corner, mashed the pedals to the floor to bring 'em up to about 40;
oooh slow down, 40 in a 30, cops are like buzzards here. Then we were
crusin next to him through town, givin the pedals short shots and jumpin
ahead of each other. We got to the next stop light, the Ice Cream place
called Frosty Boy was packed with all kinds of people. We sat next to
each other, revvin 'em and stallin 'em out ready to race. Sammy yells
over to him "Wanna race?". Don shakes his head no. Later, we ended up at
a Sunoco station droolin over it as he gassed her up, and talkin about
how he had just pulled her out of the barn and wanted to air her out a
little bit and give the family a ride later. As he pulled out and gave
her a quick boost to shock the tires a little, some guy was walkin in to
the station and had seen mine. He asked me " 'z yours sound like that,
dude?". I said in a low, emphatic tone "Not even close."

- --
**********************************
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Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft) Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 23:34:49 -0300
Subject: WTB: Assorted Olds Parts

I am in need of some parts for my car, let me know what you got!

I need a set of headers for an Olds 455 engine. Any make/condition or
brand,etc. Just let me know. I know of a shop here in Dallas that will weld
them to fit my monster Olds.

I could also use a set of disc brake spindles from a 1967 to 1970 big Olds,
Delta 88 or Ninety Eight or what have you. All the hardware - calipers,
gravel shield, rotors, etc. might be nice.

A nice, clean dual circuit Olds master cylinder for a power brake set up
for front discs and rear drums. A big bore one (station wagon? Ninety
Eight?) would be cool.

When I had my transmission rebuilt, they left off the shield that goes over
the flywheel/starter/torque converter. Anyone got one of these? I don't
really want to go back to the dopes that did the work.

Any other parts for a front end rebuild or a dual exhasut conversion would
be nice. That's what I'm trying to complete before I go off to college.

Thanks for your time, and let me know!
Nick

     -----------------------------------------------------------
     Nick Gomez       Dallas, Texas     Live Concert Tape Trader
     MSTieª 53344     Ska! Ska! Ska!      1965 Olds Ninety Eight
     -----------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 19:18:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 03:14 PM 6/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> >>
> >> We have just acquired a 69 Cutlass Supreme Holiday 4 door from Texas to
part > >> out. > >> The drivetrain is spoken for but ALL body parts are mint
condition. > >>         These parts are all extemely nice. > >> > >> Jim
Chermack > >> OCA ª24275 > >> 70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32 > >> 72 442 (350) >
>> 86 Ninety Eight > >> 94 Cutlass Supreme > >> 96 C-1500 > >> Virginia Beach,
VA > >> (757) 474-0869 > > <Snip>

 So we
> decided the best thing to do was part the body. The 68 Ram Rod the engine
> belongs to is worth having done before I'd restor another 4 door.
>
> Jim Chermack

That sounds reasonable to me Jim.  I think that most of have had the
opportunity to restore a 4-door and have passed.  We all hate it, but
not everything can be saved.

We also have had the opportunity to get a good parts car, save a little
money on parts for our restoration, & maybe sell some parts to recover
our parts car costs.  Usually we do not do it as it is a little more
than we want to sink into a speculative car, we don't have space, the
spouse won't like it hanging around, the neighbors won't allow it, etc.,
etc..

If Jim wants to & is willing to speculate so that we can have the needed
parts at reasonable prices, why should we complain.  We'd buy them from
someone.  Some car is being sacrificed for our parts.  He is helping us
& making himself some money.  What could be more fair?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:28:18 -0300
Subject: Re: High heat

Steven LaCrosse wrote:
>
> Can anyone help with a high heat problem I have with my 69 442 conv with
> a 455cid. I have a great deal of heat in the driving compartment.
> This heat seams to come from under the dash and from the floor. The
> floor gets so hot I can't put bear feet on it for long after driving for
> a while. As far as the heat from under the dash, I have disconected
> the heater core but that didn't seem to help much if at all.
> Any help would be great. Thank you.

You might want to have your exhaust checked. You probably have a leak in
the top of your pipe(s).

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:29:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais '89

In a message dated 97-06-23 21:15:36 EDT, you write:

> Is there such a group where I can post parts that I need for a 1989 Cal=
a=EDs?
>     I see this mailing list is for older
>  cars...
> =20
>  Enrique
>  ezapata@telnor.net

There are several people on this list that have newer cars such as yours.
Post away!

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: "Kaye Kimball" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:35:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds cruisin '97

> Okay guys, listen to my story.

Hey Matt,  believe it or not there are some GIRLS who read this list.=20

>We were just lopin along the streets lookin
> for whoever or chicks=20
 I don't know bout you but I always have better luck finding "CHICKS" on =
a
farm.

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> From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
> To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Olds cruisin '97
> Date: Monday, June 23, 1997 9:15 PM
>=20
>=20
> Last night, me and my friend Sammy, (owns a ThunderChicken =3Dp ) were
> out cruisin in my Cutlass. or somethin' to do. We had just gotten done
> talking to my friend Jimmy (who owns an '88 Cutlass Calais Internationa=
l
> Quad4). We sometimes don't like to hang 'round with him, he can get to
> be annoying (don't worry, this story's going somewhere). So, anyway
> Sammy's driving; he loves my car too =3D). We're just coming out of a b=
ank
> parking lot, when down the road to our left, I see the rear-end of my
> friend's dad's '69 Hurst I had posted about earlier. I yell "THERE'S
> DON!! SAMMY, GO CATCH 'IM!". Sam, still reluctant to hit the pedal,
> gives her a slight boost, turns right at the four way stop, and ends up
> behind the 69. Oooooooohhhmygosh! Drool city! He has that thing all
> original, including a leaky master cylinder , cruddy SSII's, and holey
> exhaust pipes. But through the nicely polished trumpets, you could
> easily hear the THUMP of the 455 over the 350's puny efforts to match
> the tune. He was turning left, as were we. He revved it and it stalled
> just as the light turned green. We turned, and just as we had completed
> the corner, mashed the pedals to the floor to bring 'em up to about 40;
> oooh slow down, 40 in a 30, cops are like buzzards here. Then we were
> crusin next to him through town, givin the pedals short shots and jumpi=
n
> ahead of each other. We got to the next stop light, the Ice Cream place
> called Frosty Boy was packed with all kinds of people. We sat next to
> each other, revvin 'em and stallin 'em out ready to race. Sammy yells
> over to him "Wanna race?". Don shakes his head no. Later, we ended up a=
t
> a Sunoco station droolin over it as he gassed her up, and talkin about
> how he had just pulled her out of the barn and wanted to air her out a
> little bit and give the family a ride later. As he pulled out and gave
> her a quick boost to shock the tires a little, some guy was walkin in t=
o
> the station and had seen mine. He asked me " 'z yours sound like that,
> dude?". I said in a low, emphatic tone "Not even close."
>=20
> --=20
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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 00:42:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Running hot

In a message dated 97-06-23 22:52:00 EDT, you write:

> I checked the coolant/water level, and it was fine.  The mixture is quite
>  foamy however.
>  I think I remember someone on this list commenting about a similar problem
>  and mentioned that the foam indicates transmission fluid in the radiator??
>  Is that right?

What color is the coolant?  If it has a reddish substance floating around in
it, it's a transmission leak.

When was the last time you changed the coolant.  The system might need
flushing.

What temperature thermostat are you using.  I use a 160 in my 350 and the
temp sometimes rises to 180 on hot days.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 01:50:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Edlebrock Intake Manifold

At 05:50 PM 6/23/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a 72 Cutlass S with the 350 2bbl. I have a Q-jet to be rebuilt,
>and I would like to install a Edelbrock Performer aluminum intake
>manifold. Has anyone had any experience with this manifold? I'm hoping
>to increase my gas mileage (at least if I kepp my foot out of the
>secondaries :)). As it is, I get about 13MPG.

I've got one on my 403. Everything bolted up nicely, including the stock
Q-jet, Cruise-control, vacuum fittings, etc. Much lighter than the stock one.

I'd have to wire the secondaries shut if I wanted to keep them closed,
though... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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