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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 10 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 713

Re: Various Notes
Re: WTB: DYNAMIC 88 CONV. IN CA, AZ, OR NV
Yet another Body Plate request
Re: Various Notes
Re: used car quest
Re: Yet another Body Plate request
RE: used car quest
Re: Johnny Lightnings
Intrigued?
Remove me from this list
3 to 4 row radiator swap
Re: Yet another Body Plate request
Re: Remove me from this list
Re: Yet another Body Plate request
Re: Remove me from this list
69 H/O distributor ªs
Re: 3 to 4 row radiator swap
Back to Holley Jetting
Re[2]: Various Notes
Re: Olds Homecoming this Saturday
Re: 3 to 4 row radiator swap
100th parade needs an '82
Re:(incarnated:) NGK plugs for Olds
Re: Various Notes
Re: 3 to 4 row radiator swap
Re: Yet another Body Plate request
Re: Remove me from this list
Re: Yet another Body Plate request
Re: used car quest
Re: auto salvage yards in the south
So Tired...
Re: Back to Holley Jetting
RE:So Tired...
Re: Remove me from this list
Daily Update
Deep Direct Drum?
Vinyl/chrome reconditioner
Re: Back to Holley Jetting
Re: Remove me from this list
RE: Trailering
Radio Troubles
Re: Yet another Body Plate request
cutlass eurosport
Master Cylinders - disc vs drum
Re: Remove me from this list
Mondello Olds Nats
Re: Remove me from this list
tightening up those front fenders
1972 Toro For Sale
Re[2]: Olds Homecoming this Saturday

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:03:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Various Notes

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the INTRIGUE the same style as the
> Malibu? Or is there a diff between Canadian and U.S models?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Jonathan Eaton
> Bobness@outraged.com
Intrigue uses the same structure as the new Pontiac GP and I think the
new Buick Century (?). I've read that the new GP's use the same roof for
both the 2 and 4 door cars. 2 door Intigue?

Daren

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:02:48 -0300
Subject: Re: WTB: DYNAMIC 88 CONV. IN CA, AZ, OR NV

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
>
> If I am not greatly mistaken, there was a 1965 model advertized last month
in > Hemming's. Wait a sec..... > > (frantic scuffling and much rustling) > >
....The place you want to contact is called Procar in Arizona, (602) >
377-9355. > > There is also an ad for one in CA apparently with bodywork
completed. Call > (818) 704-0145. > > And subscribe to Hemming's Motor News
so I do not have to keep looking these > things up.  ;) > > Karl Aune > 1965
Dynamic 88 > Chicago, IL > > http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html > >
Cogito ergo sump.    I think, therefore I am full of sh(aving cream) I know
your looking for one in the SW, however if you dont find one this seems like a
pretty good deal.  It was in yesterdays Omaha World Hearld:

"OLDS '64 Dynamic 88 convertible, good condition, new tires, needs brake
and exhaust work. $3200. (402) 289-2707"

Good luck with your search.

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 21:14:14 -0300
Subject: Yet another Body Plate request

Could you please check on this one for me, I have a couple books and
some of this plate does not seem to show up in them.

____________________________________
O5D                 D
66-33867         LA  8511   BODY
980-B               N-2     PAINT
E 2KXG
5Y
____________________________________

I can get that it's a 66 Cutlass convertible, Burgandy Mist made in
Lansing after that I'm stumped.  I'm hoping this will tell me the
original color of the rag-top.  Thanks for the help!! =)

Dan Hamlett
66 Cutlass Convertible

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From: "outraged.com" <Bobness@outraged.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:36:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Various Notes

- ----------
> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: BoBnEsS
> Subject: Re: Various Notes
> Date: June 9, 1997 8:57 PM
>
>
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the INTRIGUE the same style as the
> > Malibu? Or is there a diff between Canadian and U.S models?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Jonathan Eaton
> > Bobness@outraged.com
> Intrigue uses the same structure as the new Pontiac GP and I think the
> new Buick Century (?). I've read that the new GP's use the same roof for
> both the 2 and 4 door cars. 2 door Intigue?


I think the Chevy Malibu and the GP and the Intrigue had the same body
types and basic schematics, Motor Trend (April 1997) Said that the car was
a bit more sluggish, but more comfortable to drive basic of suspension
modifications

You could be right though <Shrug>

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From: "outraged.com" <Bobness@outraged.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:33:43 -0300
Subject: Re: used car quest

- ----------
> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: BoBnEsS
> Subject: RE: used car quest
> Date: June 9, 1997 8:55 PM
>
>
>
> I would be mildly interested in a Ciera coupe, one of the ones with the
> sloping rear window that I think they only offered for a few years. I am
> a little more nervous of the early FWD 88/98 because of the tranny
> problems they were notorious for. I do like the looks of them though,
> especially the coupes.
>
> Tonight I looked at an '84 Custom Cruiser, the full-size wagon. Owned by
> an 83-year-old gent. Has about 55,000 miles on it and compared to the
ones
> I saw on the weekend it is amazingly solid. Original paint too, dirty and
> faded but passable and might shine up fine. The only rust I could find
> were a few spots around the rear side window moldings (just the surface
> kind it appears, no holes) but the underside, door bottoms, etc looked
> extremely good. The right rear quarter suffered a scrape that caved it in

> slightly (looks like you could pop it out from the inside) and the chrome

> molding there is currently attached at the rear by a piece of duct tape
> (are you listening Karl?). Woodgrain vinyl on the outside is looking a
> little tired, and the rear bumper has lost a bit of the chrome on the top

> surface.
>
> Aftermarket stereo unfortunately, but otherwise all the power stuff works
> fine. A/C blows cold too. Interior near perfect... the only thing I could
> see wrong was a droopy headliner in the rear cargo area. I assume that
> could be easily fixed. Like the rest of the car the interior was kind of
> dirty but otherwise fine.
>
> Driving it I was struck by the lack of power. The 307 seemed to run fine,

> idled smooth, made no odd noises (though there was a bit of an exhaust
> sound under load, maybe a head pipe starting to get loose). But she sure
> seemed sluggish going up hills. If you floored it it would kick down and
> then pick up steam, but in top gear it was gutless on an incline. I would

> suspect this is normal, since it seemed to drive fine otherwise. Any
insight?
>
> The old fellow wants $3000 firm. I like the car but it seems like a lot
of
> money for a 13 year old car that needs paint and lots of TLC. Right now
> I'm trying to figure if I would insult him if I offered him around
> $2-2.5K. And it is awfully *big*... but the solid frame and body are
> mighty tempting after what I saw this week.
>


Dear Mr. Beaulieu;

I have that same problem with my 1984 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royal Brougham
Sedan. It's Forest green and Loon Grey, and I'd like to sell it and by a
new LSS, or maybe even a 1957 Delta 88 Coupe Hardtop. Here's the specs on
the car

Built: 06/84
Mileage: 71,000Km's (Mostly highway driven, used the car for long trips)
Engine: Oldsmobile 305 V8, Holly 4-Barrel, w/OD, Chromed Valve Covers, air
fileter cover, Manifolds, (NO LACK OF POWER)
Body: Rear bumper rusting, car was always garaged, no rust, very tiny
scratches here and there.


Everything original, Engine has new Valve seals, new fluid changes every 8
months, very clean... Very fast on the highway, extremely comfortable to
drive.

We took it to get it appraised, the man there told me, that just because
it's a 1984, I shouldn't expect any more than about $1200 for it. Even
though it's darn near factory condition. They told me that it's too old,
and too large, and to out of style.

Maybe that sheds some light on your value situation. :)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:07:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Yet another Body Plate request

On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> ____________________________________
> O5D                 D
> 66-33867         LA  8511   BODY
> 980-B               N-2     PAINT
> E 2KXG
> 5Y
> ____________________________________
>
> I can get that it's a 66 Cutlass convertible, Burgandy Mist made in
> Lansing after that I'm stumped.  I'm hoping this will tell me the
> original color of the rag-top.  Thanks for the help!! =)

I think it was built the 5th week of April (or was that the fourth week
of May? Paging Mr. Hartlieb... ). Burgundy Mist paint, black convertible
top, black bucket seat interior.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 22:11:16 -0300
Subject: RE: used car quest

> But she sure
> seemed sluggish going up hills. If you floored it it would kick down and
> then pick up steam, but in top gear it was gutless on an incline. I would
> suspect this is normal, since it seemed to drive fine otherwise. Any
insight?

Hi Greg,

Does this wagon have the overdrive transmission (200-4R)?  In combination
with the 2.73:1 (most likely) rear axle ratio, using 3rd to climb hills
would make the best of the 150hp 307.  Also, I've noticed that the T.V.
cable is usually out of adjustment on similar cars, which would result in
a larger than necessary amount of throttle to induce downshifts (esp. 4-3
for highway use).  The stiff throttle return spring(s) do{es}n't help with
the sluggish feeling either!  Most full-size wagons of this vintage show
rust around the rear glass area, mainly due to very thin paint and/or poor
finishing.  The superior weight distribution aids traction under all
conditions; my '77 Custom Cruiser friend regularly beats FWD vehicles at
stoplights while it is snowing or raining!

Kevin Wong

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:10:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Johnny Lightnings

Rick Kromeich wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the next supposed set of Indy Pace Cars from Johnny
Lightning? > I think that would be series 4.  I started collecting them, but I
haven't > seen anything new at the stores for months now, and my 1970 pace car 
>
convertibles were looking for company on my shelf. > > Rick > 72 Cutlass
Supreme Convert.


Actually, I'm looking for set 4 also.  I missed that one.  Picked up set
5 on Mother's Day at a local department store.  '70 is champagne, '74 is
grabber blue, '77 is orange and black.  Having a devil of a time finding
set 4.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:20:40 -0300
Subject: Intrigued?

Daren & Laurie wrote:

> Intrigue uses the same structure as the new Pontiac GP and I think the
> new Buick Century (?). I've read that the new GP's use the same roof for
> both the 2 and 4 door cars. 2 door Intigue?

You wish...

I'd be in line right behind you.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
'96 Monte Carlo LS - trade-in bait for an Intrigue?

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From: "Greg Roach" <groach@bwave.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:22:31 -0300
Subject: Remove me from this list

I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list IMMEDIATELY =
I will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive any longer. If =
you have not taken any action by the next 24 hours I will be contacting =
my lawyer to see what kind of legal action can be taken against you, so =
it would be in your best interests to do so.

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From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:22:36 -0300
Subject: 3 to 4 row radiator swap

Hi Everyone...

I am in the process of swapping a 4 core radiator for the 3 core that
originally came in my car...I noticed that the two supports for the
radiator on the bottom are not wide enough, can I just bend them back
slightly to accept the larger radiator??? or do I have to start looking
for the "correct" ones.. these appear to be welded to the core support.
I was able to pick up the correct radiator top support at the Berejik
show ( Thanks Everett!!!!!).  Anybody ever do this swap???

Second ques...I am also installing a fairly large tranny cooler (I
figure now is the time to do it) the car is equipped with a TH350 and
the stock 12" converter (from a '69) with a shift kit...I am going to be
installing in the near future a built TH 400 with a 10" converter and I
was wondering should I run the external cooler by itself or tie it into
the factory cooler in the radiator??? The car is mainly street/strip and
only gets driven in the spring/summer (not a daily driver).

Thanks in advance!!!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:34:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Yet another Body Plate request

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>
> Could you please check on this one for me, I have a couple books and
> some of this plate does not seem to show up in them.
>
> ____________________________________
> O5D

Built code 4th week (D) of May (05)

> D

Don't know what this is for...

> 66-33867

(66) 1966 (3) Oldsmobile (3867) Cutlass convertible

> LA  8511   BODY

Lansing plant, build sequence number

> 980-B

0 is the code for black, 9 and 8 are the codes for the seat type and
material type.  I can't remember what the 9 means.  I had one last night
that meant a bench seat ('73), but I thought someone else here claims 9
to be buckets in older cars.  This one usually confuses me.  I'b sure on
the black tho...

> N-2     PAINT

N - Burgandy Mist, 2 - black convertible top

> E

Accessory group 1, tinted glass, all windows.

> 2KXG

(2) accessory group 2, (K) air conditioning, (X)floor mounted auto
trans, (G)??? I'm thinking either this is a C or my article has a typo.
C is for console, which you'd need with the shifter.  Guess this would
support the bucket seat theory...

> 5Y

(5) accessory group 5, (Y) deluxe front and rear seat belts.

These option codes are actually for '65s.  I'm curious to know how close
I came.  There's an X for power windows also, but that's in group one.
Let me know how I did.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:26:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

Whoa!  Don't get too bent out of shape.  If you read the instructions when
you joined the list, then do exactly what you did when you joined, except
that you type in the word "uns*bscribe oldsmobile"  (dummied the "u" since
you never know what could happen).  It will get you off the list.

- ----------
From: Greg Roach <groach@bwave.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
Subject: Remove me from this list
Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 10:22 PM

I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list IMMEDIATELY I
will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive any longer. If you
have not taken any action by the next 24 hours I will be contacting my
lawyer to see what kind of legal action can be taken against you, so it
would be in your best interests to do so.
- ----------

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:41:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Yet another Body Plate request

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I think it was built the 5th week of April (or was that the fourth week
> of May? Paging Mr. Hartlieb... ).

Here I come to save the day....

See my previous post.

> Burgundy Mist paint, black convertible
> top, black bucket seat interior.

See??  I knew I read something about the 9 meaning bucket seats.  Your
so smart!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:44:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

Greg Roach wrote:
>
> I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list
> IMMEDIATELY I will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive
> any longer. If you have not taken any action by the next 24 hours I
> will be contacting my lawyer to see what kind of legal action can be
> taken against you, so it would be in your best interests to do so.

Oooo...   :o   Aren't you the scary one, though.  Pretty hard to make a
case since you voluntarily joined then failed to read the instructions
on how to leave.

Does the term "self-inflicted injury" mean anything to you?

Just in case Greg's out of town when you call the Legal Defence Fund or
the ACLU or whoever, tell council my number's below.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:33:51 -0300
Subject: 69 H/O distributor ªs

This one is perplexing.  A guy called me about wanting to sell me a 69
Hurst Olds distributor.  He said the number was 1111989.  I was hoping for
the 1111973, which is what the Hurst Performance people put out in their
brochure as the part number, and what every other 69 H/O owner I've talked
to has told me.  He claims to have owned this gem since 1973, and that it
had red paint overspray on it.  I checked the FAQ at Bryceman's page, and
the 1111989 distributor is listed in the interchange section as '1969 F-85
455"  which MUST be a Hurst, if it has a 455 in the Cutlass body.  I am not
disputing the guy's word, but if I'm going to shell out a couple of $$ for
it, I want to make sure this isn't some run of the mill (pun) distributor.
Any one have input on this????


Mike Rothe

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:52:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 3 to 4 row radiator swap

At 10:22 PM 6/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
[snip]
>I was able to pick up the correct radiator top support at the Berejik
>show ( Thanks Everett!!!!!).  Anybody ever do this swap???

Sorry I didn't catch up to you at the show; I was parked right down in front
of Everett's wagon, but didn't recognize you there.

>Second ques...I am also installing a fairly large tranny cooler (I
[snip]
>was wondering should I run the external cooler by itself or tie it into
>the factory cooler in the radiator??? The car is mainly street/strip and
>only gets driven in the spring/summer (not a daily driver).

I believe the aftermarket coolers are designed to supplement, not
necessarily replace, the in-radiator cooler. I plan on running mine right
after the lines exit the radiator, as that will have cooled it off a bit,
and then the external cooler can chill it down even more before it enters
the transmission again.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:27:16 -0300
Subject: Back to Holley Jetting

Sorry to dredge up old stuff.

I am still (was off at A&B doing other stuff) reconstructing my 650cfm vac.
Sec. Holley, and I have a question or three.

What is a metering block? I think I know what you mean by metering valve
(carb has been in pieces on my coffee (read as Pepsi) table for two weeks,
but would appreciate an adequate description of metering valve just to be
certain.

I know what is meant by the vacuum secondary spring, but how do I tell which
one (or as you have described, color) mine is? Should I assume it is the out
of the box spring?

It is my intention to rebuild it completely, including replacing the float
springs, as I cannot determine how old it is. I live relatively near an
authorized Holley dealer, would any one need anything that may be difficult
to get through other sources?


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
  Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

Erstwhile Grab for the Ring?

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:18:29 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Various Notes

> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the INTRIGUE the same style as the
> > Malibu? Or is there a diff between Canadian and U.S models?...


...I think the Chevy Malibu and the GP and the Intrigue had the same body
types and basic schematics, Motor Trend (April 1997) Said that the car was
a bit more sluggish, but more comfortable to drive basic of suspension
modifications...

     While the cars may share platforms (as in floor pans), the body
     structure of the Intrigue is the same as that of the GP, Regal, _and_
     the Century (note that this is the first time since the mid-70s that
     the Regal and Century have shared bodies).  This is the replacement
     for the W-body Supreme/GP/Regal.

     The Malibu/Cutlass is a new body which sort of replaces the old FWD
     A-body Ciera.  It has a lower "content" than the Intrigue/GP/Regal
     (smaller engines, more "transportation appliance" oriented).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:30:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Homecoming this Saturday

In a message dated 97-06-09 15:30:44 EDT, you write:

<< Anyone with information about the Olds Homecoming this Saturday? Time,
 location, etc? Thought I would ask before calling.

 I plan to be there in the '77 Delta (just turned 195).

  >>
Olds Homecoming is Saturday and the time for registeration is 8:00am and is
located at Oldsmobile HeadQuarters off 496 Olds Freeway.  I and Mark Cornea
will be there. I will have the AT rocket JPeg to identify myself.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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From: padavano.joe@orbital.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:11:49 -0300
Subject: Re: 3 to 4 row radiator swap

Hi Everyone...

I am in the process of swapping a 4 core radiator for the 3 core that
originally came in my car...I noticed that the two supports for the
radiator on the bottom are not wide enough, can I just bend them back
slightly to accept the larger radiator??? or do I have to start looking
for the "correct" ones.. these appear to be welded to the core support.
I was able to pick up the correct radiator top support at the Berejik
show ( Thanks Everett!!!!!).  Anybody ever do this swap???

     Yep.  I've done this on every 442 I've owned.  You are correct in
     noting that you just need to bend back the bottom supports.  As I
     said, I've done this on a number of cars, driven a number of miles,
     all with no ill effects.  The mod is virtually invisible, especially
     with the correct top mount, as you have obtained.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:31:49 -0300
Subject: 100th parade needs an '82

I hear that the big parade for the 100th anniversary celebration needs an '82.
Dunno if Cutlass/ Toro matters, but... if you have a parade-worthy '82 it
might behoove you to contact Bob Jarboe or if you can;t find him, then buzz
me. Chance of a lifetime to join such a parade. Wish I were invited.

btw, I am not "on the list" yet, so I see no responses unless cc'd to me at:
   wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Got my spoiler today! Needs repair, was correspondingly inexpensive. :-)
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:38:20 -0300
Subject: Re:(incarnated:) NGK plugs for Olds

The highly esteemed Bryceman etched;

>  I learned that they are
>  manufactured by NITTOKU Engineering in Japan but NITTOKU's site is all
>  in Japanese. Bryceman no read Japanese. Let me know if you learn any
>  more on this.
>
>             Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
>

Frank, Bryce-guy and others. For the edification of others please send any
personal slant on the performance of NGK plugz to KarlAunan@aol.com with a
header that includes PIG (product information guide). Much thanks and many
Oldsmobile pursuit packages.


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

Sic Semper Tyrannis; "I hope my tranny isn't sick!"



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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:44:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Various Notes

                                                                          '66
Toro
In a message dated 97-06-09 20:41:28 EDT, Mike's    /\     /\   wrote:

>
>  One other significant point: The ignition switch is now on the dash
instead
>  of the steering column, where it's been since 1969.

Ignition _on _the_column_?  !?!  What fool would do that?


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA

  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

 Engineering Gearhead Reprobates?



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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:00:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 3 to 4 row radiator swap

> I believe the aftermarket coolers are designed to supplement, not
> necessarily replace, the in-radiator cooler. I plan on running mine right
> after the lines exit the radiator, as that will have cooled it off a bit,
> and then the external cooler can chill it down even more before it enters
> the transmission again.

I also favour the idea of using both coolers in series, as this would tend
to buffer and regulate the transmission fluid temperature.  On my uncle's
'88 C*price, a 'mechanic' cross-threaded one of the fittings on the
radiator, so in addition to the existing external cooler (installed from
'89), I requested that a second one (scrapped from an '85 FWD C-body Cad)
be added in series to help compensate for the lack of the radiator cooler.
It has been almost 1 year, and there are no problems to report.  I have
noticed that the transmission fluid does take longer to warm up; during
this time, the 700-R4 can produce a neck-snapping 1-2 shift!

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:39:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Yet another Body Plate request

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> > ____________________________________
> > O5D                 D
> > 66-33867         LA  8511   BODY
> > 980-B               N-2     PAINT
> > E 2KXG
> > 5Y
> > ____________________________________
> >
> > I can get that it's a 66 Cutlass convertible, Burgandy Mist made in
> > Lansing after that I'm stumped.  I'm hoping this will tell me the
> > original color of the rag-top.  Thanks for the help!! =)
>
> I think it was built the 5th week of April (or was that the fourth week
> of May? Paging Mr. Hartlieb... ). Burgundy Mist paint, black convertible
> top, black bucket seat interior.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada Thanks alot!  WHEW! I hate white tops but I want to keep it original,
thats a major relief!

Dan Hamlett
66 Cutlass convertible

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:41:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

Greg Roach wrote:
>
> I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list IMMEDIATELY I
will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive any longer. If you have
not taken any action by the next 24 hours I will be contacting my lawyer to
see what kind of legal action can be taken against you, so it would be in your
best interests to do so. <snicker ,snicker>

------------------------------

From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:45:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Yet another Body Plate request

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> >
> > Could you please check on this one for me, I have a couple books and
> > some of this plate does not seem to show up in them.
> >
> > ____________________________________
> > O5D
>
> Built code 4th week (D) of May (05)
>
> > D
>
> Don't know what this is for...
>
> > 66-33867
>
> (66) 1966 (3) Oldsmobile (3867) Cutlass convertible
>
> > LA  8511   BODY
>
> Lansing plant, build sequence number
>
> > 980-B
>
> 0 is the code for black, 9 and 8 are the codes for the seat type and
> material type.  I can't remember what the 9 means.  I had one last night
> that meant a bench seat ('73), but I thought someone else here claims 9
> to be buckets in older cars.  This one usually confuses me.  I'b sure on
> the black tho...
>
> > N-2     PAINT
>
> N - Burgandy Mist, 2 - black convertible top
>
> > E
>
> Accessory group 1, tinted glass, all windows.
>
> > 2KXG
>
> (2) accessory group 2, (K) air conditioning, (X)floor mounted auto
> trans, (G)??? I'm thinking either this is a C or my article has a typo.
> C is for console, which you'd need with the shifter.  Guess this would
> support the bucket seat theory...
>
> > 5Y
>
> (5) accessory group 5, (Y) deluxe front and rear seat belts.
>
> These option codes are actually for '65s.  I'm curious to know how close
> I came.  There's an X for power windows also, but that's in group one.
> Let me know how I did.
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> plh@nbn.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Excellent actually!  On everthing but power windows.
It has air, black buckets, console automatic with factory manifold
vacume gadge on the console.  It has front and rear belts with the
fisher logo, not sure what deluxe means though.  Thanks a ton!

Dan Hamlett
66 Cutlass convertible

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:05:30 -0300
Subject: Re: used car quest

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> I would be mildly interested in a Ciera coupe, one of the ones with the
> sloping rear window that I think they only offered for a few years. I am
> a little more nervous of the early FWD 88/98 because of the tranny
> problems they were notorious for. I do like the looks of them though,
> especially the coupes.
>
> Tonight I looked at an '84 Custom Cruiser, the full-size wagon. Owned by
> an 83-year-old gent. Has about 55,000 miles on it and compared to the ones
> I saw on the weekend it is amazingly solid. Original paint too, dirty and
> faded but passable and might shine up fine. The only rust I could find
> were a few spots around the rear side window moldings (just the surface
> kind it appears, no holes) but the underside, door bottoms, etc looked
> extremely good. The right rear quarter suffered a scrape that caved it in
> slightly (looks like you could pop it out from the inside) and the chrome
> molding there is currently attached at the rear by a piece of duct tape
> (are you listening Karl?). Woodgrain vinyl on the outside is looking a
> little tired, and the rear bumper has lost a bit of the chrome on the top
> surface.
>
> Aftermarket stereo unfortunately, but otherwise all the power stuff works
> fine. A/C blows cold too. Interior near perfect... the only thing I could
> see wrong was a droopy headliner in the rear cargo area. I assume that
> could be easily fixed. Like the rest of the car the interior was kind of
> dirty but otherwise fine.
>
> Driving it I was struck by the lack of power. The 307 seemed to run fine,
> idled smooth, made no odd noises (though there was a bit of an exhaust
> sound under load, maybe a head pipe starting to get loose). But she sure
> seemed sluggish going up hills. If you floored it it would kick down and
> then pick up steam, but in top gear it was gutless on an incline. I would
> suspect this is normal, since it seemed to drive fine otherwise. Any
insight? > > The old fellow wants $3000 firm. I like the car but it seems
like a lot of > money for a 13 year old car that needs paint and lots of TLC.
Right now > I'm trying to figure if I would insult him if I offered him around 
>
$2-2.5K. And it is awfully *big*... but the solid frame and body are > mighty
tempting after what I saw this week. > > Greg Beaulieu
ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada I bought a VW one
time that was owned by a little old man and used to go to church on Sunday.
The car never got out of town and apparently never got over 35-40 mph.  I had
the car checked out by a guy who was supposed to be a VW expert.  Although we
did not do a compression check, the motor sounded and drove quite well.  So I
bought the car and loaded it up with luggage and family and started off to
Birmingham, Alabama at a high rate of speed.  Wasn't worried because it had
been checked and VWs are famous for the autobahn, etc.  57 miles later we were
calling my father to bring a tow truck to haul the clunker back home as the
motor had blown up.  The jerks would not even cover the $60 tow bill.  The car
had 57k miles on it, but because they were all at low speed, it couldn't
handle interstate speed.  So much for buying cars from a little old (wo)man
who took care of it.

Don Sowers

------------------------------

From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:21:44 -0300
Subject: Re: auto salvage yards in the south

> I will be going from Lexington, Ky. to Panama City, Fla. the first of
> July via Bowling Green, Ky, Nashville, Tn, Birmingham, Montgomery and
> Dothan, Al and P.C., Fla.  Does anyone on the list know of any places I
> could check on used sheet metal for 69 Cutlass S conv, 1970 Cutlass
> Supreme conv and 1972 Cutlass Supreme Hardtop?  Although I have spent a
> good bit of time in the B-ham area, I am not familiar with the older
> salvage yards.  Any assistance would be appreciated.  If I am allowed to
> keep a few dollars from the family on vacation, I might be able to
> purchase a thing or two.  Thank you. If you have any information, you can
e-mail me direct at dstaxpro@lex.infi.net

Thank you.

Don Sowers

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From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 01:47:32 -0300
Subject: So Tired...

Lots of work today. Now I'm bored, so I entered 'Oldsmobile' into the
Internet Anagram Server. (If anyone wants info about it, let me know.)
Here's some of the better ones I got back:

Bid Sell Moo
Bold Mile So
Blood Slime
Blood Miles
Blood Smile
Be Mild Solo
Mobile Sold
Bill Do Me So
Limb Oodles
Limb Do Lose
Mobil Led So
Limbo Led So
Mob Sled Oil
Boom I'd Sell
Boo Led Slim
Boo I'd Smell
Sob Meld Oil

Sorry if this is a waste of bandwidth. =) I thought some were good. There
were quite a few returned. Take it easy...
Nick

------------------------------

From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 02:25:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Back to Holley Jetting

- ----------
> From: KarlAunan@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Back to Holley Jetting
> Date: Monday, June 09, 1997 11:27 PM
>
> Sorry to dredge up old stuff.
>
> I am still (was off at A&B doing other stuff) reconstructing my 650cfm
vac.
> Sec. Holley, and I have a question or three.
>
> What is a metering block?

The metering block is what goes between the primary (front) float bowl and
the main body of the carb.  Your 650 came with a metering PLATE on the
secondary side.  The basic function of the metering block is to house the
power valve, primary jets, idle mixture screws, and provide the fuel/idle
delivery circuitry (arteries) to the primary barrels.  Changing of the jets
and/or power valve is about all a novice should try to change on the
metering block.  Mods to the metering block itself should be left to the
experts.  The main concern here is flatness of the main body where the
metering block attaches.  If it isn't flat, you could be in for some
mixture/quality problems.

> I know what is meant by the vacuum secondary spring, but how do I tell
which
> one (or as you have described, color) mine is? Should I assume it is the
out
> of the box spring?
>
If yours is the natural color, it is the "out-of-the-box" spring.  Start
with this when doing on-car tuning, and go lighter or heavier as needed.
The colors help, but you can pretty much tell by the fatter the spring
wire, the more tension it will have.  As with any carb change, only do ONE
change at a time and test, so that you can change it back if you don't like
the mod.  Usually, the factory spring works like a charm.  The lighter the
spring, the sooner the secondaries kick in, however,  if too soon, since
you don't have a secondary pump shot to cover up the big air hole, you will
bog, then take off like a bat outta hell.  The optimum set-up as far as
springs go is that you feel smooth power throughout the RPM band upon
acceleration, and you CANNOT tell when the secondaries open.

There are countless reference books on how to rebuild and modify Holley
carbs, and if you are looking for tuning tips and such, you can even
contact Colt Industries on the web.  I forgot their URL address, but you
can search the net and you will find.

I hope this sheds a little light on a somewhat dark (since it isn't a
Rochester) subject.

Mike Rothe


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From: STVF11D@prodigy.com (MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:47:01 -0300
Subject: RE:So Tired...

No Nick, it wasn't a waste. I thought a couple of them were alright
in fact.
I will have to try and remember some of them when I'm kicking back
with
the guys and we start screwing around with the other car makers,Found

On Road Dead, Mostly Old Parts And Rust etc...

PS: I want to apologize for the spelling on my last message. I sent
the rough draft
before I had a chance to go back fix it. When I type I go fast so I
can keep up
with what I am thinking and leave out letters, sorry!

Mark Graff

70 442 W-25
71 Cute ass
Minneapolis,MN

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:05:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

At 02:44 AM 6/10/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Greg Roach wrote:
>>
>> I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list
>> IMMEDIATELY I will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive
>> any longer. If you have not taken any action by the next 24 hours I
>> will be contacting my lawyer to see what kind of legal action can be
>> taken against you, so it would be in your best interests to do so.


Gee, this would make a ~really~ good case!  Hmm.  These are all computer
generated address reponses, (which gets those addresses through voluntary
submissions, no less) so I suppose the proposed defendant would be the
chebucto list server.  People vs. computer.  Get the latest reports tonight
at six.  Gawd.  Could you imagine the legal action?  How do you punish a
computer?  "The state finds for the plaintiff, and imposes, as punitive
damages, twelve hours of Windows 95 tutorials, and as compensatory damages,
free access to intelligence weekly, the internet server for stupid people..."

Lets see here.  "If you haven't taken any action within the next 24
hours..."  Hmm.  Says here it was written about 11:30 pm.  God, I've been
pretty active. I've drank a quart of chocolate milk, and went to the
bathroom twice.  I've typed a couple letters.  I've even scanned in some
photographs.  I see that chebucto has been active, too.  I've gotten quite
a few posts since 11:30.  How 'bout the rest of ya?  Y'all done anything?
I think we've all taken quite a bit of action, so we shouldn't have to
worry about ~that~ threat.  OK, that's coverred.  "I will be contacting my
lawyer...."  Hmm, he's threatening the computer without even knowing if he
has a legal right to do so.  Hmmm.  Since he's threatened legal action
against a computer, and potentially against all the rest of us, would there
be grounds for harassment after his lawyer breaks out in laughter and kicks
him out of his office?  He doesn't have a "Cousin Vinny," does he?

Heh, heh.  This is just ~too~ good.  Almost better than the Darwin awards.
I wonder if his lawyer has an Olds.  ...Or a computer   ...or BAR
certification  (that ~is~ what they call it, right?)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 05:44:24 -0300
Subject: Daily Update

Well, went over to Chinook again today, and finalized my car trailer
purchase.  While there, I shot some pics of that '61 Super 88.  Then I took
a couple shots of an '83 Cutlass sitting on a side street, with one side
all scraped up (Big red something sideswiped it pretty good...)  Then I
checked out a 67 Toro hiding in the weeds around the corner from that
Cutlass.  ~Very~ complete car.  Standard, I'd assume, no power options, but
it did have the kick a** steering wheel.  The guy had refused every offer
before, according to the station attendant on duty (the coverred weeds were
in the side lot of a gas station...)  Car was really clean, though, on the
inside.  Hasn't moved since '79!!!  What a shame.  I said it's probably for
the best, since the ~last~ thing I need to do is buy another damn car.  Of
course, the subject eventually turned to that banged up '83 around the
corner.  (You ~all~ know where ~this~ one is going)  "It's mine" he says...
 Well, it isn't anymore...  Driver's side is pretty well gone, but the rest
is in really decent shape.  The grille, bumper, and header panel are fine,
as is the hood.  Pass door is perfect, and rear body is really good, too.
Interior is decent, but brown.  I can't go wrong at fifty bucks, though.
It's supposed to have a title coming, also.  By the time I'm done moving,
I'll have enough Cutlasses to start a museum.  Hmm.  At least I won't have
to worry about mowing any lawn.  I can use that extra time to work on my
cars :)  It's my complete intention to never ~need~ to buy another part
from a junkyard again.  If I'd have gathered this collection three years
ago, I'd have saved hundreds of dollars in parts I've had to pay elevated
prices for.  The one vandalism spree on the '83 would have payed for this
entire fleet, and coupled with the breakin on the Rockit, would cover the
fleet ~and~ moving expenses.  Right now, I'm in the stage of having a
really impressive collection of cars.  Five years down the road, I'll be at
the stage of not kicking myself in the a** for passing up good deals.
Still planning on the second '82, and the '87, too.  (Both bucket seat cars.)

I'd planned on spending Tuesday on the road to Sidney, to actually get
things finalized there (address, phone, 'net account, that kind of stuff)
Got a notice this afternoon, however, subpoena-ing me to appear and testify
against the drunk driver that rear-ended the Rockit (and me) in Feb.  I
have to be back here to work on Friday, and my parents need their pickup
back on Sunday.  That worthless drunk ~really~ screwed up this week for me!
 I'll play it by ear, and hope they nail her to the wall. (or how 'bout the
ceiling?  Hmm, that'd be an interesting twist...)  At least I know I'll
have enough parts to fix the car, now.  Just need to find the $$$ to paint
it.  (for those who'll jump in and say that $$$ is tied up in the other
cars, I'll add that the damaged parts from the wreck also exceeds the
amount spent on ~all~ the cars I've bought this year, with the exception of
the two Toros :)   The labor will probably rival this trailer I just
bought...  Oh well, I'll put it to good use, too.

I ~still~ haven't gotten authorization to move in to my new homepage yet.
I'm ~really~ getting nervous...  I'll keep ya posted, regardless.

Later,

Ooh, check out my new ~alternate~ *sig file!  (Don't worry, I won't use it
often, the digest folks should thank me for that!  :)




81 Cutlass Supreme-Rockit 1 - 425|  81 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (parts)
82 Cutlass Supreme Brougham      |  82 Cutlass Supreme (parts) (soon)
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham      |  83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (parts)(soon)
70 Toronado 403                  |  87 Cutlass Salon (soon)
67 Toronado Deluxe 425           |  66 Toronado Standard (parts)
67 Ninety Eight Convert(project) |  70 Delta 88 (parts)
70 Buick GS 455-BT UR 4D         |  73 Toronado (parts)
70 Skylark (parts)               |  71 Skylark (parts)
57 Buick Special4dr htp (project)|  Two 82 F*rd EXP's (yank yank!)
This space intentionally left blank

     Reserved for future use

  mailto:charley@rocketship.com
   Charley Buehner - Havre, MT
        http://www.cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
    Enter with fingers crossed

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From: STVF11D@prodigy.com (MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 06:40:59 -0300
Subject: Deep Direct Drum?

I recently rebuilt my 400TH from my 70 442 and came across a problem.

It seems that the direct drum it uses was only available from 68 to
71
in high performance and heavy duty trucks. Well after 3 years of
having
the tranny out and compiling all the other parts I settled with a 5/6
stack.
But since the car is still stock and all numbers match I would like
to have the
6/6 stack without shaving the piston. If anyone knows of a
transmission
shop that holds onto old used parts or a friend who drops a lot of
trannys
and just stacks them up behind his garage. I would appreciate any
info on
where to find one.

Came out of an 70 O-G   Replacement could be found in G or W series
tranny

Depth is 1.844 not the 1.719 shallow drum. Measure from bottom to
lower
edge of snap ring groove

Uses sprag-type clutch not roller-type

Mark Graff
70 442 W-25
71 Cute ass
Minneapolis,MN

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 03:39:44 -0300
Subject: Vinyl/chrome reconditioner

Does anybody know of a good quality place either in lower Mich. or
northern Ohio that reconditions Vinyl tops? Also, anybody know where I
can get my trim and bumpers re-chromed, same area?


- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft) Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 09:57:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Back to Holley Jetting

I came across this site yesterday, I'm sure it will help:


http://www.holley.com/HiOctn/ProdLine/PartAccs/PartAccs.html


It's exactly what you are looking for. Try thier tech tips area. Good
info on Holley carbs.

Fernando
'72 442

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 10:14:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

Greg Roach wrote:
>
> I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list IMMEDIATELY I
will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive any longer. If you have
not taken any action by the next 24 hours I will be contacting my lawyer to
see what kind of legal action can be taken against you, so it would be in your
best interests to do so.



Is it me or are we having a deja-vu, .... again! Why didn't you read the
instructions when you joined the list, the answer you are looking for
lies there. Or maybe your laywer can un*su*scribe it for you.

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From: Jeff Dick <JEFFREY.A.DICK@cpmx.saic.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:30:00 -0300
Subject: RE: Trailering

Charley:

I use my 86 Salon (license plate "4WINNS") to tow my 19ft Four Winns boat.
 It is a single axle, no brakes, and weights in at 3500 lbs.  I have t-tops
and was told my many that the car would not be able to stand up to the
strain and flex on the frame, but have had no problems in three years time,
tow with and without tops in, and have had no problems, car and boat do
attract a lot of compliments with tops at.

I added a transmission cooler,  heavier coil springs, and a class 2 hitch.

I tow in 3rd and can cruise at 65 with no problem, even though i have a 2.73
rear end (next thing I need to change).  I tow around 100 miles round trip
20 times a year.  The only problem I have is holding any speed on hills,
usually need to drop into second and can only do 45 (due to rear end).

Never had a problem with stopping or excessive sway, did add a 3 inch riser
to my hitch to compenste for drop in rear end when hooked up (i believe my
tongue weight is around 200 lbs, and the ideal tongue height should be 19
inches, lower or higher will usually cause sway problems.).

Hope this helps.

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From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:38:15 -0300
Subject: Radio Troubles

My '89 Delta 88 has an irritating problem with the radio volume.  The
radio is the factory digital AM/FM/Cassette.  The volume control is a
rocker switch.  While driving, the radio volume will suddenly go
inaudible.  I can turn the volume up to compensate some, but then the
original volume level will return, and the thing is blasting.  Sometimes
the change appears impact related(i.e. I cross railroad tracks and the
volume goes down, then hit a pothole and it comes back), but other times
it seems to happen for no apparent reason.  I've checked the wiring
harness on the back of the radio and it appears secure.  Next step is to
open the case and look for bad solder joints.  I'm tempted to replace it
with an aftermarket unit, but the face of the factory radio is huge and
I don't like the looks of the filler plates.

Thanks in advance,
Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:52:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Yet another Body Plate request

At 12:45 AM 6/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Paul Hartlieb wrote:
[snip]
>> > 5Y
>>
>> (5) accessory group 5, (Y) deluxe front and rear seat belts.
>
>Excellent actually!  On everthing but power windows.
>It has air, black buckets, console automatic with factory manifold
>vacume gadge on the console.  It has front and rear belts with the
>fisher logo, not sure what deluxe means though.  Thanks a ton!
                            ^^^^^^

That means that the latches were metal; no, wait, color-keyed to the
interior <Bob scratches his head...> I dunno, I *am* sure that it means they
aren't just black. We discussed this a while back, and came to a conclusion
about it (actually, I believe we came to a couple different conclusions...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:12:42 -0300
Subject: cutlass eurosport

Well I just got back from a week's vacation in Mexico, and I thought I'd let
everyone in on a couple of interesting types of cars that don't seem to be
sold here in the US. But before I get to the Olds I saw some other neat cars
too.

The VW Bug is still sold down in Mexico and just about every other car is a
Bug. I don't know how they can find their beetle in a parking lot because they
al look the same.  VW also sells a car called a Derby, alot like the Golf. I
also saw a BMW PICKUP TRUCK!! It was pretty cool looking (very similar too a
Ford) It also had Texas plates on it. I didn't know they produced trucks at
all.  Chevy had several neat compact cars that I have never seen either.  The
4 door Monza was stylish. (Is this sold in the US currently??)  Then there is
a 2 and 4 door hatchback which looks like it is based on the Monza.  The 2 dr
is called the JOY nad the 4 dr is called the SWING (looks simialr to a Ford
Fiesta). Interesting names and somewhat cute looking cars IMHO.

Well on to the make that we really care about, OLDS.  While seeing the sights
of the Yucatan Peninsula, I must have seen about a dozen of these Cutlass
Cieras with  a Eurosport package similar to the ones used on the Chevy Lumina
(and it was definately an Olds).  The car's badging also just said Cutlass, no
ciera. (Almost all similar ciera models like this down there did not actualy
have that ciera badge).

So, has anyone ever seen one of these stateside or know if this was only an
export option for Mexico?

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 11:18:55 -0300
Subject: Master Cylinders - disc vs drum

Hello everyone,
I have a question about master cylinders.  I have been talking with Chris
Witt a little bit about this and wanted to get some other opinions on the
subject.  First the car in question, it is a 69 W-31 with manual front
drums and I'm considering converting to manual front discs. I asked Mr.
Witt if he happen to have a non power disc brake master cylinder and he
said the masters are the same for drum and disc, that the only thing I
would need are the spindles and related parts and the combination valve,
and I assume the disc brake hose brackets that bolt to the frame.  So the
million dollar question is....Is there a difference between non power drum
and non power disc disc master cylinders as they relate to a 69 Olds
Cutlass?  Or any other Olds out of curiosity?

As a side note, when I converted my Skylark from power front drums to power
front discs, I was told by Midas, actually a guy who worked there, there
was no difference in the master cylinders.  I am now led to believe
otherwise as I have seen different master cylinders for sale for disc and
drum applications.
Thanks for any insight you can provide.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
1977 Ford LTD - hey it was free
1977 Buick LeSabre - parents bought brand new and it has been bequethed to
me - again, but at least it's Olds powered

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From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 12:59:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

>> I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list IMMEDIATELY
I will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive any longer. If you
have not taken any action by the next 24 hours I will be contacting my
lawyer to see what kind of legal action can be taken against you, so it
would be in your best interests to do so.
>
>
As an attorney I feel that this opportunity is too good to pass up.  I am
hereby offering my services to anyone who wants to get off the list.  For
$500 I will make sure you get removed from this list.  Hey Greg, you wanna
split this fee with me.......

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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From: tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:29:04 -0300
Subject: Mondello Olds Nats

Anybody been to the Olds Nats at Norwalk?  I've never been and was thinking
of taking my boy and making a weekend of it.  Not racing of course, just
hanging out, watching the cars, enjoying some food, doing the road trip
thing.  Looks like about a 6 hour drive from the Wash DC area, which is
manageable.  Any hotel suggestions?  Any other sites to see
around northern Ohio?

Todd Morris
71 442

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:56:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Remove me from this list

>I am asking that my e-mail address be removed from this list IMMEDIATELY I
>will not tolerate this junk cluttering up my harddrive any longer. If you
>have not taken any action by the next 24 hours I will be contacting my
>lawyer to see what kind of legal action can be taken against you, so it
>would be in your best interests to do so.

"I used to be digusted,
But now I try to be amused..."

Actually, this is one of the better pathetic pleas to be removed from a
list that I've seen. Most of them have more personal attacks...

I like the idea of a legal threat! Maybe this could become a trend!
If we encourage it, then everyone chip in a couple bucks, whe could
counter-sue for damages (OHH! The mental anguish of having my cyber-drivel
being labeled as junk!) We could make enough money to restore ALL our
Oldsmobiles!!! <SLAP>

Whoa! I'm back...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 13:37:06 -0300
Subject: tightening up those front fenders

I was puttering around the Olds the other day, tightening bolts here and
there and decided to work the fenders and the plastic inner fenders.  Upon
examination I discovered that a good many of the bolts attaching the inner
units to the fenders were missing and/or loose, there's around 5 or so per
fender. I replaced the missing ones and tightened everything down properly.
My test drive after this little task was truly amazing--I have always had
somewhat of a loosey-goosey front end, even after replacing all the front
suspension/steering pieces.  Not sharp rattles or even that objectionable of
a noise, but with this bolt replacement and tightening it now has that
"new car tightness" feeling.  Just rock solid feeling and sounding.

The funny thing is that I've had 4 pre-73 cars now, all of them have had
multiple bolts missing up there, I figured as long as you have a couple to
hold the thing together a few missing didn't make much difference.  Was I
wrong!!  So, the lesson here is check for missing bolts, replace and
tighten, particularly with body parts that you wouldn't otherwise think are
that critical, and enjoy that solid Olds feeling.

Todd Morris
71 442

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 14:28:47 -0300
Subject: 1972 Toro For Sale

 Hello fellow Subscribers

  I have a real nice 1972 Toronado for sale here in the Northeast. I must
sell this car soon to a real Toronado lover. I have lost storage for this car
and hate to see it not being loved.
  102,000 miles. Blue/Blue black vinyl top. Garaged all its life, was
unregistered and cared for it that same garage since 1982. I purchased the
car in fall of 1994 when the gentlemen thought the block was cracked because
it lost water when he started it, and it was only the water pump. I put in a
new radiator,water pump and master cylinder and left rear brake cylinder.
  The car runs great and looks great, AM/FM Stereo 8 track, Tilt/Tel wheel,
power seats, windows.
   Was asking $2995.00  but is reduced to $2500.00 or best reasonable offer.
I realy want to see this go to someone who appreciates these big babys.

Everett  OCA ª1961
1-401-435-7139
Car is in Rhode Island but I will help arrange getting to anyone who wants
it.

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 16:06:29 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Olds Homecoming this Saturday

Thanks, I'll see you guys, and anyone else, there. Most likely I'll be
sporting the Bryceman 442.com shirt.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
          ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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Olds Homecoming is Saturday and the time for registeration is 8:00am and is
located at Oldsmobile HeadQuarters off 496 Olds Freeway.  I and Mark Cornea
will be there. I will have the AT rocket JPeg to identify myself.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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