
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 17 1997       Volume 01 : Number 760



Rare find?!
Pop hot rod
Re: How do you build a hot tank?
Re: Olds Nats Trip Report
Need a few parts...
Hello all I guess I should.....
Re: You want HOW much to fix the A/C?
Re: New on list
63 98 in yard
Re: Forged Pistons??
Re: '77-'90 full-size: Speedometer illumination
Re: New on list
442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
Re: '77-'90 full-size: Speedometer illumination
Re: Source for tailpipe hangers for trumpet exhaust?
Re: Chrome Work
Re: 70 SX Neutral Start Switch
Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?
Re: Never Pay for Advertising Again.
Update 2: Parts Voice - Can this be true?
Re: MY FAN!!
Re: Smog Adventure
Re: Rocket Talk; Chris's core dumps
Re: You want HOW much to fix the A/C?
Re: Exhaust smell, low power
Re: Smog Adventure
Letterman
REMOVE
Re: Exhaust smell, low power
Re: How do you build a hot tank?
'69 H/O Convertibles
Re: You want HOW much to fix the A/C?
Re: '69 H/O Convertibles
Re: Exhaust smell, low power
Re: Full size cars
Re: Is it a real '69 442 (VIN needs to be broken down)
Speedo in Canada
Re: Speedo in Canada
'69 H/O Convertibles -Reply
Re: Speedo in Canada
Re: Letterman
Re: '69 H/O Convertibles -Reply
Re: '69 H/O Convertibles
Re: Never Pay for Advertising Again.
Re: Update: Parts Voice - Can this be true?
Re: Olds Nats Trip Report
Re: Iola reminiscing
Re: Speedo in Canada
Body Paint colors
Hurst package
Re: Exhaust smell, low power

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:42:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Rare find?!

So, I was a-cruising the back roads today.. Cutlass catches my eye, no, wait, a
442! I stop in. Crusty, obviously hasn't moved lately. Go to inquire, spot that
W30 hood... guy is home, apparently retired from Fisher Body. We get to
looking over the car. Can't tell for sure it it was an original 71 W30 by the
VIN [344871M######], many key components are missing, but some are there:

+ W-hood, -Rusty metal frame, pretty bad rust. - No chrome twistie knobs.
+ W30 air cleaner 90% there. Springs & hold-downs gone
+ 442 suspension, sway bars, all that.
+ Manual trans, with console
+ Rallye Pack
+/- 455 with C heads- worked on?  Original motor now in a boat in CA.
+/- No xst mans, has headers instead.
+ Extra MT, door, diff, and W30 air cleaner sans flapper.
- - 7041250 carb, big yawn, right.
- - big rust, grilles broken, bumpers rusty & dented, etc.
- - Drum brakes, + has new drums for it.
= didn't get to examine interior at all. Dunno cond. of posis, transes.

The clincher:
Aluminum intake, never before seen type! Says "OLDSMOBILE" on the foremost
runner. But NOT "W-455" or anything like that. OK, I *gotta* see the casting
#... Oh, my.... "EA27004".... -experimental- casting! Very lo-profile, like a
Toronado intake.

*waxes into extreme covet mode*
For sale, too, as a package deal. However, I have no such fundage. Working on a
loan. Anybody need a nice posi? W30 air cleaner? MT setup? Rallye Pack?
 --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:36:14 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Pop hot rod

Anyone see the latest Popular Hot Rodding?  Would that be an engine
shot of Bob H.'s 'modified' 67 w-30?  Neat way to mount the gages..

Ken

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:44:06 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank?

Scott just wondering how are you neutralizing the lye on the parts?
Sound like a great idea. I will probably make one for myself.  Thanks
Terry

- --
Terry Teague
dawgs@conninc.com
1968 Delta Custom
2 door 455 bucket seats

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:47:37 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Nats Trip Report

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> > My 4 yr old boy has a serious car gene--you know how you could get to
> > within 20 feet of the burnout box, well, Sunday he found his way down
> there and
> > just stood, for around 20 minutes, just a few feet from these monster pro
> > eliminator cars as they did their burnouts.
> 
> > Todd Morris
> > 71 442

Is your 71 a tired green w/ w-30 emblems on the fenders?

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 97 22:56:02 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Need a few parts...

I am looking for a few parts...

Back up Lamp assembly, RH side, mine is shot...

RH Turn signal lamp assembly, RH side, again, mine is shot...

I would think that RH & LH sides are the same (hopefully).

I also am in the market for four 15" x 7" SSII Rims, any color just good 
condition.

Please e-mail me directly if anyone would like to part with any of these 
items.

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:55:32 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Hello all I guess I should.....

Hello all I am new to the list. I live in NC, I have a 1968 Delta Custom
with a 455 4 barrel carb, bucket seats, center console, 2 door. The car
was purchased by my parents on Nov. 7, 1967. It was my first car and I
did some work on it when I was in high school(class of 82). The car is
all intact and I still have the sales slip and the owners manual. I also
have all the original parts that have been changed on the car. The
engine is not original(due to that center screw in a quad carb that they
don't use any more). I have the original block and all the parts that go
with it and it is rebuild able. I still need a few things for the
car....I need a console latch, an antenna mast, I have the base. The
other things that I need like weather stripping I can get. I have had
the car parked since 91, just kept moving it from one dry spot to
another. The interior is in great shape. I hope to have it finished in
about 6 months. If anyone has the parts please contact me and lets
talk..btw anyone have an idea what it is worth? I will never part with
her but I am wondering...

- --
Terry Teague
dawgs@conninc.com
1968 Delta Custom
2 door 455 bucket seats

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:14:23 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: You want HOW much to fix the A/C?

Patrick Flowers wrote:
> 
> BUT, they said it needed a new receiver/dryer and seals.  The estimate
> was $700!!!  I figure $80 for the r/d, $25 for the o-rings and $200 for
> new freon, recycling and labor.
> 
> My question is who's crazy, me or them?
> 
> Patrick
> --
> Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

Patrick,

I guess it all depends on who pays & who collects.

Bill Culp
Confederate State of Alabama

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:11:25 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: New on list

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 09:14 PM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >>I don't 'lurk'. I just don't say much, like a Southern gentlemam should.
> >
> >Is this directed at any of our more Prominent Southerners on board?!?
> >Does Florida count as Southern -if so, we should possibly direct this to
> >some of our more flamboyant members therein.
> 
> I'm sorry, Lisa, but while Florida counts as "south", it doesn't count as
> part of the southern United States, but rather as part of southern New York.
> So Mike F. kind of epitomizes the laid-back, but not very quiet, ethos of
> his area.
> 
> You might have noticed the difference between Mike and, say, Bill Culp? That
> would be the difference between Florida and the "South".
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Bob,

Hey!  There is no difference between Mike & I except the long hair & the
beautiful wife.  I kinda resent that remark.

Bill Culp
Confederate State of Alabama

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:18:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 63 98 in yard

Local boneyard has remnants of a 63 98 Holiday Sedan... had some interior fire
damage, kinda rusty, frankly not much left but taillites, window glass, some
bodyline trims. Courtesy lite switches, etc. Fenders are inside the car, so
steering is easily accessible.

Lansing, MI
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:24:11 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Forged Pistons??

Forged pistons have a smoother look than cast. Its hard to decribe but if
you can compare them you can easily tell the difference. 

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:24:15 EDT
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: '77-'90 full-size: Speedometer illumination

>They wouldn't twist securely into the '77
>instrument panel, so I used some epoxy to make sure they won't shake 
>loose.

If the sockets are epoxied into the panel, how do you change the bulbs
when they burn out?


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:25:56 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: New on list

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> > > Nah, just saying whatever came to mind.
> > >
> > > JR
> >
> > JR,
> >
> > That sounds like a natural reflex to me.
> >
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
> 
> Hmmmm, a 'natural reflex'; so you're saying you say things
> without thinking, Bill? ;)
> 
> Tim Churchill


Tim,

I'm saying that thinking is a very special event in my life.  I reserve
these very special events for very special occasions.  There is only so
much thinking that can go on in a single life.  I don't want to come to
the end of my life w/nothing left over.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:51:04 -0300
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

                              C&M Classic Parts

Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm
____________________________________________________________________ 
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Fender Emblems (paint nice, few tiny pits)  $10.00 ea
67 442 Trunk Emblem (nice)  $10.00
67 C/S Trunk Emblem (nice)  $15.00
68-72 400/455 Notched Valve covers  $50.00 pr
69-70 TO Code 3.90:1 W-30 Anti Spin rear  $700.00
69 W/Z Exhaust Manifolds (w/ heat riser)  $200.00 pr
70 OAI Hood (very nice original)  $900.00
70-72 W/Z Exhaust Manifolds (w/o heat riser)  $200.00 pr
W-27 Rear Cover (new repro)  $70.00
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
70-72 455 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $38.00 pr
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________     
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                           
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                       
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $70.00 ea                             
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea               
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr                          
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea                              
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $90.00 pr          
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea               
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea            
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________      
64 Cutlass/442                       
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $40.00                                                   
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $8.00 ea                                            
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00                                      
V-8 Emblem  $5.00                                                             

66 Cutlass/442
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hucaps (very, very nice)  $130.00 set
Headlight Bezels  $40.00 pr                                                  
LH C/S Rear side molding  $10.00                                              
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr                        
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea                                  

67 Cutlass/442
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 LH Fender (Arizona part) Very nice  $350.00
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00
A Pillar Moldings  $15.00 pr                                              
Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $20.00 ea                                

68 Cutlass/442
68 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $25.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68 Cutlass/442 Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $45.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00                              
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea                                            
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $25.00 pr 
68/69 442 Front Fender LH (need small patch)  $145.00

69 Cutlass/442
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Core Support (3 Row Radiator, nice)  $175.00
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $200.00 pr
69 Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
442 Grilles (nice)  $180.00 pr                                               
442 Hood Tongue  $35.00 ea                                                     
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                                       
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr                                          
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr                                        
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set                                 
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                                
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $380.00
69 RH Fender (same)  $380.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea             
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
SSII Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
70 C/S Wide side moldings  $20.00 ea
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
S Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr                                        
S Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr                                        
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00                                  
Black A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea                  
Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)                  
70-71 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (needs patch panel)   $145.00                               
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits)  $8.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 4)  $160.00                                       
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
SSII/III Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00                                          
72 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (excellent)  $110.00 set  
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
               
We are parting a complete 71 442 Coupe (455/TH400) if there is a part you
would like to get let us know. We'll be posting the rest of the parts later.
The reproduction 70-72 Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicators $24.00 ea.
plus $3.00 shipping. We have also reproduced the 63 Starfire console shift
lens $35.00 plus $3.00 shipping. We will soon have the 67-69 2 spd auto
shift lens $24.00. Looking for a decent 64-66 auto trans shift lens for
reference to reproduce.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
OCA #24275
67 442 W-30 Trac-Pac
67 Cutlass Supreme
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
'72 442 (350)
'94 Cutlass Supreme  
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:10:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: '77-'90 full-size: Speedometer illumination

Hi Dave,

> If the sockets are epoxied into the panel, how do you change the bulbs
> when they burn out?

The bulbs can be changed independently of the sockets, and are a simple
pull-out, push-in affair.  It is relatively easy to gain access to just
the bulbs, but when it is necessary to change the sockets, which are
inserted from behind, it seems like the whole instrument panel needs to be
loosened and eased outward as much as possible.  If these sockets do
eventually go bad, I would have to somehow force them out.  I didn't use
too much epoxy, just on the two adjacent 'friction areas' responsible for
the push and twist attachment.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:05:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: Source for tailpipe hangers for trumpet exhaust?

I haven't tried them yet  but  Kepich Exhaust 800-365-5764  out of Ft Myers 
Fl  says they can duplicate them for about $40 EA???????

I have one original to use as a template.  Just haven't got there  yet

Hi Mike! My 5c as usual,

Jeff Stanish


More frustration on the restoration


On Wed, 16 Jul 1997, MROTHE wrote:

> > So... I'm not concerned about originality, but I would like this to be
> > presentable; is there a hanger, factory design or aftermarket, that will
> > work in this application? What are the people who run the trumpet exhaust
> > using to keep their pipes from dragging on the ground? 
> 
> Dr. Bob, 
> 
> I know what you are going through.  My 69 H/O still has the original
> tailpipe hangers on it, albiet they are showing signs of dry rot.  I know
> of no one repro-ing the correct t/p hangers for the 442, but, Year One
> sells something close. I got my full exhaust system from Brother's, and it
> came with everything EXCEPT t/p hangers.  You may have to drill an extra
> hole in the frame with the Year One hangers, but they will work if'n you
> had to.  I ended up doing that with my 71 442, and they work fine with 2.5"
> exhaust.  Over 2 yrs runnin....
> 
> Personally, I don't want to start drilling my H/O's frame, so what I think
> I will do is get the hangers "rebuilt".  In other words, get someone to
> drill out the rivets, refinish the metal, and replace the rubber, then
> reinstall new rivets.  This is the only option I think.
> 
> 2 cents.
> Mike Rothe
> 

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:05:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome Work

Calexico, California, south of San Diego.  Contact him - he's a (normally)
reasonable & nice guy.

e-mail him at maldana@quix.net

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:07:52 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 70 SX Neutral Start Switch

At 05:33 PM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<Again, one of the little but necessary things to get my '70 SX back on the
>road will be a Neutral safety switch for its console-mounted automatic
>shifter. >>
>
>Bob, the neutral start switch on my 70 SX is in the same place as the column
>shifted car - it's on the steering column. The trans has a rod which runs to
>the column which rotates the same as the column shift mounted variety.  Mine
>had headers on it when I bought it and this control rod was, of necessity,
>removed.  The cloumn mounted switch was just left in a position to allow
>starting (in any gear of course).  I found a parts car to donate the missing
>pieces.

OK, then I'm curious what that switch on my shifter was, to which the
heavy-guage purple starter wire passed through, which meant my car wouldn't
start until I was able to complete that circuit. The '70 Shop manual also
shows an adjustment procedure for a console-mounted Neutral Start and
Back-up Light Switch (p.12-57, fig.12-116); maybe there was a running change
during the year, since the console-mounted unit was junk? (mine fell apart
when it was only 14 years old) My SX is an early production car (October
1969); what was the date of your car?

I did have the rod connecting my shifter to the column, which I removed for
header clearance (think I still have it), but I am quite sure that was so
the key could not be removed unless the car was in park.

>
>Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
>'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
>Oviedo, FL
>
>Handren Associates, Inc.
>FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
>Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
>(407)365-6385
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?

In a message dated 97-07-16 23:13:43 EDT, you write:

<< Just out of curiosity: Are you unable to type in lower case ie: using a
 keyboard that is unable to type in lowercase?  If not, what then is your
 problem?
  >>
I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THE FIRST ONE TO OBSERVE THIS AND NOT JUST
ASSUMING THAT IM BEING RUDE LIKE SO MANY HAVE DONE...HOPE TO HAVE ANOTHER
KEYBOARD SOON..

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:24:08 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Never Pay for Advertising Again.

At 11:41 PM 7/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>By using my "Extractor Pro" commerical e-mail software, I found that you
are doing
>business on the net..  You, too, can send commercial

Wow; I'm really impressed by Extractor Pro- it knows that I'm doing business
on the net!

>Once you own the software, you can build your very own Highly Targeted 
>Mailing List, then send your ad out to your targeted mailing list at the push 
>of a button.

So, you're posting to a mailing list about your business that consists of
selling mailing lists that targets mailing lists that are doing business on
the net; by mailing? (oh, my head hurts...)

>Extractor PRO is loaded with targeting power, 

I _know_; I can just FEEL that power!

>high-speed, a
>user-friendly feel, Online Wizards, Smart Help and Awesome Video
>Training via "CyberSchool".  

Soon to include the "exclude confusing a majordomo mailing-list with a human
being" option.

>No other commercial email software is as
>easy to use and understand.  Extractor PRO really makes advertising
>economical. 

So, this program was able to identify that I am interested in advertising,
even though I've never advertised a thing? I wish I knew that I wanted to
advertise; I would have started sooner!

>By the way, with your order of Extractor PRO v6.0, you will also receive
>a FREE copy of the Web Weasel.  Call for details!
                    ^^^^^^^^^^
I think that is a GREAT name for spammers!

Um, Greg, how long would it take to make this list a closed one?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:25:05 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Update 2: Parts Voice - Can this be true?

Matthew Mayer wrote:
> 
> Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing from someone and finding out how good this
> > Parts Voice works.
> >
<snip>
> 
> More details as events warrant...
> 
Got a message on the machine from Kurt at Chicago Auto.  They DO have
the parts.  Fender is $450 and the skirt is $75.  He states "These are
NEW parts", so maybe the lady who answered the phone this afternoon
misread something.

Hope this helps....

- -- 
- ---Matt

- --------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:48:48 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: MY FAN!!

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> 
> Tornado697@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >   CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH MY FAN.? i have a 1983 olds toronado with a 307
> > 4barrel and have had big problems with the fan hitting the radiator when i
> > accelorate. I have replaced the motor mounts on the front of the motor, and
> > it still rubbes the radiator shroud, am i the only one who has this problem?
> > i have seen several bent and scratched fans in the Junk yard and wonder if
> > this is common, if oyu know anything about this please contact me..
> >
> > tornado697@aol.com
> > george fiore
> 
> Try wobbling the fan w/the engine off.  If it mobes back & forth, you
> probably have a bad water pump allowing this movement.  Of course, there
> is the possibility of loose bolts onthe hub/fan also.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Since the pump is new, I have to ask if this just started.  You may have
the long pump instead of the short one???  Also, check the condition of
the fan clutch.  I wiped out a really good 7 blader on my power steering
pulley due to a faulty ~new~ fan clutch.  ("Heavy Duty Cooling System"
one.  Sure!  Really p***ed me off!)  Anyway, a really bad clutch will
allow extensive fan wobble.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:45:17 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Smog Adventure

At 05:05 PM 7/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> OK, enough self-congratulations... In fact, an emissions test based on
>
>Also, the ratio of old cars to new cars 100 to 1 maybe. Still the
>percentages say that it's the new cars that are killing the atmosphere.

Oh, I agree; I'm sure that all the well-running 20-year old + cars pollute
less than all the 7-10 year old cars on the road today, simply due to the
difference in numbers. That's why I'm opposed to visual inspections for
emissions tests; many missing parts are difficult if not impossible or
expensive to replace, and won't improve the emissions of the vehicles enough
to be worth it.

>BTW, I have a theory and maybe some of you chemist out there could shoot
>some holes in it. I believe the catalytic converters are what is causing
>most of the acid rain. The smell of sulfur suggest sulfur dioxide which
>will turn into sulfiric acid when mixed with water vapor. Which in turn
>condenses and ruins your clearcoat.

What I don't understand is the Freon thing. I know it serves as a catalyst
and all that, but if it, being a pretty heavy gas, is able to make its way
to the upper atmosphere and stay there destroying Ozone, then 

(1) why doesn't all the Ozone we produce here at ground level through smog
get broken down by the freon that remains here (I'm sure that not all the
freon rises; some must stay here, unless they changed that law about density
since I was in school- hate when they do that).

(2) why doesn't the ozone down here also make its way to the upper
atmosphere to replace what is depleted? Maybe we could just loft all our
non-A/C gross polluters in weather balloons to the upper atmosphere, so they
can pollute and produce ozone up there?

Maybe that's why I'm not a scientist...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 22:57:53 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk; Chris's core dumps

> ----------
> > From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <sparks@aisf.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Rocket Talk
> > Date: piektdiena, 1997. gada 11. jūlijs 11:36
> >
> > Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> >
> > > on IRC but with a different crowd. Probably more accessible since all
> you
> > > need is a browser like Netscape and not a special IRC client.
> >
> > I have Netscape and I cannot access this chat room.  I keep core
> > dumping.
> >
> > Chris Sparks

Chris, have you tried downloading a different version of Netscape? 
Perhaps a newer beta, or an older full release?  Maybe that ~might~
help?  Just a thought...  My "Communicator" version kept crashing on me
when I was in Rocket Talk, and now causes GPF's every time I load that
version.  I've even downloaded a new version that does the same.  (The
old 3.01 works just fine, though.  I don't get it, dammit!)  

Anyway, for what it's worth, ya might try that?

Good luck, and remember, computers are our friends.  (honest!  ;)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:03:43 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: You want HOW much to fix the A/C?

Patrick Flowers wrote:
> 
> My wife took the 89 DRB to a local shop this morning because the air
> conditioning wasn't quite doing the job.  She's pretty smart about these
> sort of places, so she gave very specific instructions.  The $30
> analysis fee was OK as well as a small amount of freon, but anything
> further and they had to call her for approval.
> 
> Well, needless to say, they called.  They had put in one pound of
> freon(I assume R12) for $50, bringing the outlet temp down to 58 degF,
> BUT, they said it needed a new receiver/dryer and seals.  The estimate
> was $700!!!  I figure $80 for the r/d, $25 for the o-rings and $200 for
> new freon, recycling and labor.
> 
> My question is who's crazy, me or them?
>

Hmm, $700?  Where do you live?  Tell ya what.  Have 'em evac the system,
and put the new R/D on yourself.  Then drive down to Mexico (at night,
since it's cooler) and have the system charged down there.  Fines
shouldn't be more than $700, right?  (oops, did I say that?  ;)  heh
heh...


Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:45:15 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust smell, low power

Eh Gil,

Why did you install a new converter?  Are you due for an emission test?  If
not, you just decreased the horsepower on your car.  Catalytic converters
greatly restrict the exhaust flow and that is probably why you now notice a
lack of power.

The smell (Kind of like boiled cabbage) is normal on an exhaust with a
catalytic.
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

- ----------
> From: Gil Russell <Russellg@dmv.com>
> To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Exhaust smell, low power
> Date: trešdiena, 1997. gada 16. jūlijs 22:02
> 
> Hi All,
> 	Need some Info/advice in two areas with some problems I'm having with my
> 84 H/O 307
> 
> 1. I replaced the Catalytic converter earlier this year it had been
> hollowed out by the previous owner.  Prior to replacing the converter I
> always had a strong raw fuel smell and since then the smell can best be
> described as propane like.  Is this normal or do I need to go have the
carb
> adjusted? 
> 
> 2. At 55mph the trans shifts and the engine seems to hesitate and miss
and
> just doesn't seem to have the power it should.  I dont have the slightest
> ideal what would cause this.
> 
> As far as I know everything is original in the engine compartment, the
car
> has 107K miles on it.  I had the trans serviced already.
> 
> 
> All the help you can give is appreciated.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:08:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Smog Adventure

Hi Danny,

> some holes in it. I believe the catalytic converters are what is causing
> most of the acid rain. The smell of sulfur suggest sulfur dioxide which
> will turn into sulfiric acid when mixed with water vapor. Which in turn

The rotten egg smell from catalytic converter equipped cars stems from
the production of hydrogen sulphide (H2S).  Some sulfur rich fuels can
make this problem worse.  Usually, this seems to only occur when a richer
than stoichiometric mixture is used, such as when someone tromps on the
gas and the computer goes into fuel enrichment mode.  I'd say catalytic
converters have little to do with acid rain; most of the atmospheric
sulfur dioxide comes from burning coal, a popular fuel source for
generating electricity.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:50:26 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Letterman

I was watching Dave Letterman tonight.  He was doing a skit on his supposed
record collection and playing a few tracks from each silly record.  One of
the records was the promo that Oldsmobile put out in the sixties titled:
"The Sounds of the Toronado".  He played a few tracks and said "That second
one sounded like it had a leather interior".
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:15:17 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Exhaust smell, low power

At 12:45 AM 7/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Why did you install a new converter?  Are you due for an emission test?  If
>not, you just decreased the horsepower on your car.  Catalytic converters
>greatly restrict the exhaust flow and that is probably why you now notice a
>lack of power.

On an '84 H/O, a decent honeycomb converter shouldn't pose a significant
restriction in the exhaust stream; they're not flowing *that* much air
through them! 
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:37:15 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: How do you build a hot tank?

>
>
>
>> How do you build a hot tank???
>> 
>> 	  RS
>> 	'70 442 4-speed W-25
>
>
>	I know this post is really old, but...if anybody is still
>interested, here it is...
>	
<SNIP of lotsa cool info to save>

>As for a heat source, I'm looking at a couple
>possibilites--there are heating elements that float that are designed to
>keep livestock watering tanks from freezing in the winter, but I do'nt
>know if they would get hot enough.  And, if they're aluminum they won't
>work since the lye will dissolve them.  Something to think about anyway.  

How 'bout some electric hot water heater elements mounted in the lid?  Or
since you said you fill it only 3/4 full, maybe you could mount a couple in
a removable rack that hangs from the top of the drum and immerses the
elements in the water.  You'd just have to make sure that you keep the
electrical terminals *out* of the water or things will get a *lot* hotter
than you want them. :)  I'm not sure what hot water heater elements are made
of but I think they're copper.  Dunno what that would do in a lye solution.
I think most big heaters use two elements, so you'd probably need two for
your tank. 

You might think about putting the elements on a thermostat or timer if
you're going to leave it unattended a long time.  (I don't know how long you
need to keep parts in a hot tank to clean them completely.)  I'd kinda worry
about getting things *too* hot and burning down the house or something if
you leave it for more than an hour or so.  A fuse or circuit breaker in line
with  the elements might not be a bad idea either.

I've never tried it but it might be worth kicking the idea around and
pricing some elements at the local hardware store.  

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 01:13:33 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: '69 H/O Convertibles

I was browsing through the H/O CLub of America's home page, and found the
production figures for '69 and it states that only 2 H/O convertibles were
produced that year.

My dream car has always been a '69 convertible, 4-4-2 or preferrably H/O
but didn't know if they made H/O convertibles until now.  Does anybody know
what these cars looked like (Where the gold stripes went, etc.),
differences between hard top and convertible regarding options (If any). 
If anyone has any photos, then that would be greatly appreciated, like they
say "A picture tells a thousand words".  Does anybody know if these cars
are still in existence today?
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 00:55:29 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: You want HOW much to fix the A/C?

Patrick Flowers wrote:

<snip>
>The $30 analysis fee was OK as well as a small amount of freon, but anything
>further and they had to call her for approval.
>
>Well, needless to say, they called.  They had put in one pound of
>freon(I assume R12) for $50, bringing the outlet temp down to 58 degF,
>BUT, they said it needed a new receiver/dryer and seals.  The estimate
>was $700!!!  I figure $80 for the r/d, $25 for the o-rings and $200 for
>new freon, recycling and labor.

Believe it or not, last Monday, (July 7) I took my '87 to the local Ch*vy
dealership to get the A/C fixed.  (Wait!  I can hear the collective *Gasp!*
The "service" dept. at our local Olds dealer has stuck it to my family a few
times since 1982, so I wouldn't take a little red wagon to them...)  1.5
lbs. of R12, $9.00 for some dye, and the total bill came to $122.00  I drove
it 130 miles to a car show this past Saturday, and it was blowing so cold I
had to turn the vents away from me.  Plus, I was at work when they finished
it, so they locked it up in the shop overnight until I could pick it up the
next day.  (Of course it helps to have a friend who works in their body
shop...)  So, not all shops are bad.  I agree with Dr. Robert and Brian
Cizas - you always need to get a second opinion whenever somebody tries to
rob you like that.

My two pennies,

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com    
   

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 02:02:06 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '69 H/O Convertibles

> production figures for '69 and it states that only 2 H/O convertibles
were
> produced that year.

A recent "Thunder and Lighntning" (H/OCA newsletter) had a writeup about
the 69 H/O.   There were purportedly THREE 69 H/O 'verts.  One got trashed
at a racetrack.  George Hurst and Linda Vaughn owned the other two.  Linda
reportedly sold hers a while back, and I'm not sure what happened to
George's.   Some guy in CA has one of them, I don't know which one.  He
offered it for sale once for about $60K, but never sold it.
> 
> My dream car has always been a '69 convertible, 4-4-2 or preferrably H/O
> but didn't know if they made H/O convertibles until now.  Does anybody
know
> what these cars looked like (Where the gold stripes went, etc.),
> differences between hard top and convertible regarding options (If any). 
> If anyone has any photos, then that would be greatly appreciated, like
they
> say "A picture tells a thousand words".  Does anybody know if these cars
> are still in existence today?

There are photos of this elusive critter.  I think if you go to Jon
Wessel's home page, there is a picture of one of the convertibles.  Or
maybe it's in the experimental photo section of the H/OCA website.  I don't
remember off hand.

The convertible H/O had the same H/O hardware available as the H/T.  It was
painted up nearly EXACTLY like it's hardtop sisters, it even had a wide
gold stripe on the white convertible top. The only difference was in the
side stripe and spoiler.  The side stripe tapered up to meet and end at the
rear quarter side window on the H/T.  The stripe followed the upper body
side chrome from the front all the way back to the rear bumper.   The
spoiler's legs were modified for the flatter-fitting trunklid.  The H/T
version would've looked silly at that steep of an angle on the flat trunk. 
Other than that, that was about it. 

If there's any more questions, feel free to ask.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 23:21:47 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust smell, low power

Gil Russell wrote:
> 
> 1. I replaced the Catalytic converter earlier this year it had been
> hollowed out by the previous owner.  Prior to replacing the converter I
> always had a strong raw fuel smell and since then the smell can best be
> described as propane like.  Is this normal or do I need to go have the carb
> adjusted?

If you're running rich, you were smelling the fuel before.  Now you're
smelling what's left after the cat burns the hydrocarbons.  If that's
it, and you continue to run rich for an extended time you risk clogging
the cat with carbon, which could be why the original cat was hollowed
out.

Also, my '84 H/O had a fuel smell when I first got it.  Turned out to
simply be a loose fitting on the fuel pump.  Might want to check that
out.

> 
> 2. At 55mph the trans shifts and the engine seems to hesitate and miss and
> just doesn't seem to have the power it should.  I dont have the slightest
> ideal what would cause this.

The tranny shifting shouldn't be related here, since the 200-4R isn't
run off of a vacuum source, it has a TV cable on the throttle.  Perhaps
something is messed up with your carb, I think on my '84 that's about
the speed where the secondaries open.  Maybe something there. . .

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: 16 Jul 1997 23:06:06 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Re: Full size cars

OL>Hi Greg,

OL>About that '78 Delta that you were looking at...you said it was a deep
OL>burgandy with bright red interior (which you said was dog-ugly)?  What a
OL>coincidence...that's the exact colour scheme of my '78 Delta.  Since
OL>I'll be repainting it within the next six months, what colour do you
OL>suggest I go with?

Heh, my '78 Delta is Grey with a carmine interior (deep red)..  I'm in
need of a rapaint, but I want to keep it stock on the outside.

OL>The Delta you had for a drive had the Rocket (350?) in it?  If so, does
OL>that mean that MY Olds has the Rocket?  (same year, same model).  I
OL>can't believe that your test-driver had zero options on it...mine is
OL>power everything, but is missing tilt/cruise.

Heh, my delta could be called a stripper car, it has barely any options
on it..  Air conditioning, cruise, am/fm radio and california
emissions.. oh yeah, vinyl top :P it's still hanging on too.

OL>I imagine that my Delta has the TH350 tranny, just like that one, but
OL>what would the rear-end gears be?  I've been meaning to post that
OL>question for some time now.

Anything from 2.41 to 3.23..  Mine has the 2.41  I have the codes for
the differet gears..

OL>Now you're from Canada, so I know we're both talking the same currency
OL>exchange.  The guy wants $2500 for it?  Is that to support his
OL>crack-cocaine addiction?  Once I'm done with the brake lines, new
OL>rubber, and painting my Olds, will it be worth even close to that much?
OL>The odometer is reading 183K (km), but the interior looks like it has
OL>only 83K on it, but I had no clue they were worth that much.
OL>Take Care,

Out here you can pick up big cars for nickels and dimes, pretty much..
I've seen a late 70's 98 4 door for $1250, and an '83 88 royale for
$1450..  the royale had a creased fender tho.

OL>S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl too, want a 455 :)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 05:54:53 -0500
From: daveleck@atlcom.net (David Leck)
Subject: Re: Is it a real '69 442 (VIN needs to be broken down)

>> E = (this is probably a 'B', indicating Baltimore)
>
>They didn't built Oldses at Baltimore, did they?  I thought that was
>always a Chevrolet plant.  I think it's supposed to be an E for Linden,
>NJ.  Then again, I always thought that all Olds convertibles were built
>in Lansing.

Yep - The little book I was using is wrong.  I grabbed another one and
found the E code listed.  Don't believe everything you read!

Thanks for the correction,
Dave

daveleck@atlcom.net
www.atlcom.net/~daveleck/olds

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 05:12:18 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.csg.mot.com>
Subject: Speedo in Canada

Maybe some of the people who are from Canada can answer this, what is
the speedo shown in for the Canadian spec cars?  Is it KM/H or MPH with
KM/H in the little orange numbers under it?  And is the range of the
speedo?  In the US, the average car is 0-85 mph (0-140ish), and higher
performance gets 0-100 or sometimes higher.  The new T/A gets 0-150 (if
the WS6 option is present)

My T/A is 0-160 mph, and wonder if there is a 0-300 KM/H version of it
(1980 car with 1973 gauges), but my 85 Cutlass is 0-85, and I would like
to see more.

Do the Canadian cars come with US Federal emissions like Catalytic
converter, EGR, etc?

Thanks
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:36:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Speedo in Canada

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Thomas Martin wrote:
> Maybe some of the people who are from Canada can answer this, what is
> the speedo shown in for the Canadian spec cars?  Is it KM/H or MPH with
> KM/H in the little orange numbers under it?  And is the range of the
> speedo?

Ever since 1978, the primary scale of speedos in cars sold here is in 
KM/H, with MPH in smaller numbers underneath. Usually they top out at 
140/150, though I've seen some as high as 280. 

> Do the Canadian cars come with US Federal emissions like Catalytic
> converter, EGR, etc?

Used to be (in the early days of emissions controls) that they weren't 
necessarily the same. You'd see stickers on new cars that said "For 
Export Only" or some such thing. In recent years our laws have moved 
closer to those of the US, so I think most are identical now. The other 
thing about cars sold here since '89 or '90 is that they are required to 
have daytime running lights. So the laws are close, but not identical.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:37:27 -0400
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: '69 H/O Convertibles -Reply

I have heard one of the 69 H\O conv. was given to Ms. Hurst Linda
Vaughn. 

Tony Molinaro
69 442
69 442
66 Mustang (wife's car) 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:40:13 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Speedo in Canada

> my 85 Cutlass is 0-85, and I would like
> to see more.
> 

Try locating an 87 442 speedometer for your 85 Cutlass.  If yours has
the guage package, you can swap this little guy out.  It reads up to 120
MPH.  I used to have an 87 442, and I thought it was pretty neat.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:43:45 -0400
From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Subject: Re: Letterman

Jon wrote:
> 
> I was watching Dave Letterman tonight.  He was doing a skit on his supposed
> record collection and playing a few tracks from each silly record.  One of
> the records was the promo that Oldsmobile put out in the sixties titled:
> "The Sounds of the Toronado".  He played a few tracks and said "That second
> one sounded like it had a leather interior".
> ________________________________________________________
> Jon Gulbis
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '72 Norton chopper
> 
> Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
> See my resume at:
> http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html
> 
> (Olds page soon to be constructed)


Ah Yes! Who but David Letterman would come up with the much desired
Sounds of The Toronado. I was surprised to hear and see the original
recording on his show. I even got my familys attention and we all
watched in amazement. Us Toroids should send Gap Tooth a letter of
thanks. Remember he does have a mailbag. I wonder if he has or has even
thought of owning a Toronado. He likes to go Fast as he laments he
experiences with the police, so why not in a Toronado, First generation
of course. 
Reg
69 Toronado

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:44:36 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '69 H/O Convertibles -Reply

Tony Molinaro wrote:
> 
> I have heard one of the 69 H\O conv. was given to Ms. Hurst Linda
> Vaughn.
> 
True, but she has since sold it, or it was reported as such.  George
Hurst had the other one.  Don't know what happened to his.

BTW, as far as H/O rarities.....John Demmer of Demmer Engineering (the
contractor that "built" the H/O'for Hurst) has the only 68 H/O 4-speed. 
The rest of the 68's and ALL 69's were automatics.  I believe he still
owns it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:28:42 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: '69 H/O Convertibles

Linda Vauhn was given one I know that If you pick up a book about all indy
pace cars there is a picture in there I have the picture but only one I
could photo copy it for you send me a SASE and I will be more then happy to
send you a copy Call me for the address

Robert Schinkel
905-357-4454


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> From: Jon <latvis@globalserve.net>
> To: olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: '69 H/O Convertibles
> Date: Thursday, July 17, 1997 1:13 AM
> 
> I was browsing through the H/O CLub of America's home page, and found the
> production figures for '69 and it states that only 2 H/O convertibles
were
> produced that year.
> 
> My dream car has always been a '69 convertible, 4-4-2 or preferrably H/O
> but didn't know if they made H/O convertibles until now.  Does anybody
know
> what these cars looked like (Where the gold stripes went, etc.),
> differences between hard top and convertible regarding options (If any). 
> If anyone has any photos, then that would be greatly appreciated, like
they
> say "A picture tells a thousand words".  Does anybody know if these cars
> are still in existence today?
> ________________________________________________________
> Jon Gulbis
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '72 Norton chopper
> 
> Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
> See my resume at: 
> http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html
> 
> (Olds page soon to be constructed)

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:37:57 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Never Pay for Advertising Again.

Robert Barry wrote:
<snip>
> 
> Um, Greg, how long would it take to make this list a closed one?

another possible option is to change the e-mail address of list from
oldsmobile@chebucto..... to something like olds-list@chebucto....  Or
would that be a royal pain... Greg?
- -- 
- ---Matt

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:49:07 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Update: Parts Voice - Can this be true?

> > More details as events warrant...
> 
> Hmmmm.  A Custom Cruiser, huh?  Hope that's wrong.  I just double
> checked the part # in my '67 parts book and it is the right # for 1967
> 5200, 5600, 5800 series cars and 98s.  I guess it's possible that they
>
I think the nice lady did get it wrong, I forgot to mention that Kurt
did say "Parts for a '67 98"...
- -- 
- ---Matt

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:00:37 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Nats Trip Report

>Is your 71 a tired green w/ w-30 emblems on the fenders?

Yes, as a matter of fact, "tired" would be a good way to characterize the
paint status.  Since owning the car I've concentrated on making it mechanically
top notch, the exterior will get its needed attention probably next year.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 21:50:04 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Iola reminiscing

> Van's Auto Salvage (in Waupon, WI) was there. Talked to the son. They
crushed 
> 1700 cars, 3000 remaining. They are trying to sell the place. It is open 
> sometimes only on Saturday, from 8-noon, but you should call on Thursday
or 
> Friday to see if they really will be open.
> 
> David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
>          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
> http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall
> 
> Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
>              ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
Did you get phone/address? Do they have many Olds and what vintage are most
of the cars?

Thanx

Daren

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:57:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Re: Speedo in Canada

> 
> > my 85 Cutlass is 0-85, and I would like
> > to see more.
> > 
> 
> Try locating an 87 442 speedometer for your 85 Cutlass.  If yours has
> the guage package, you can swap this little guy out.  It reads up to 120
> MPH.  I used to have an 87 442, and I thought it was pretty neat.
> 
> Mike Rothe
> 
I you do this swap, what about the mileage differents ? Can this
speedo be brought new from the Olds dealer. I have the `87 gauge
pkg and I have the 0 - 85 speedo, I did not think that they had a 0
- -120mph one..



Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 07:03:12 -0700
From: Dawn Roode <DawnR@curtco.com>
Subject: Body Paint colors

I know this question's probably been answered a thousand times, but what
body colors were offered for the 68 Cutlass and or 442?  In particular,
was black a choice?

Thanks for the help,
Dawn
dawnr@curtco.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 09:10:21 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Hurst package

Dear Sirs,
 I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory installed Hurst
4-speed transmission. I would like to find out:1.was this a pre-version of
the Hurst Olds packages that would appear a few years later? and 2.how many
442's were made like mine? or 3.was my car simply ordered like this by the 
dealer and the only shifter offered at the time on 442's was the Hurst?
Thank you very much for any information.
Fred Kemp

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:28:18 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust smell, low power

- ----------
> From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Exhaust smell, low power
> Date: ceturtdiena, 1997. gada 17. jūlijs 1:15
> 
> At 12:45 AM 7/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Why did you install a new converter?  Are you due for an emission test? 
If
> >not, you just decreased the horsepower on your car.  Catalytic
converters
> >greatly restrict the exhaust flow and that is probably why you now
notice a
> >lack of power.
> 
> On an '84 H/O, a decent honeycomb converter shouldn't pose a significant
> restriction in the exhaust stream; they're not flowing *that* much air
> through them! 
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
> 

A small performance aftermarket converter is ok, I thought you might have
installed the OEM converter for the sake of keeping the car original, and
those bog down your engine.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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