
oldsmobile-digest        Monday, July 28 1997        Volume 01 : Number 773



Re: 85cutlassproblems
76olds984SALE
Re: AC compressors
Re: what acually is a "SX"
Re: what acually is a "SX"
Re: 76olds984SALE
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Re: pix of silver olds wanted
Re: W-31 option
Exhuast Manifolds
'79 Hurst/Olds For Sale
Re: W-31 option
Toro List
Re: Parts and shipping
Re: W-31 option
Re: W-31 option
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Headers
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #770
Re: 76olds984SALE
Re: Toro List
Re: Intro and part needed
Re: Needed - Shifter "T" handle for '65  Cutlass
Re: Introduction and question - Long

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:29:13 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

Dave,
	Thanks once again.  I think I am going to go for the Stage 1 Shift
kit.  I also looked into replacing my rear axel with a limited-slip from
an 85 grand prix...  The junk yard will sell it to me for $185... but I
dont know if it is worth the hassell... maybe next summer...  I also
want to replace the idoit lights with the rallye gauge set... My third
gear went out while I was 200 miles away from home so I had to drive 150
of them going 50mph in second gear... I had gas milage of 9 miles to the
gallon... And It didnt help the engine in anyway.. I would like to
replace the 307 with a re-built 350... I already looked into it and
found many of the acc. and mounts line up.  I just dont think I have
enought experience to try something such as that..  My Dad said that my
car has a plastic timing gear... and they dont last long becuase he had
one in his 72 olds delta 88 convertible.. and replaced it with a metal
one... Do you know if thats true?  
Thanks,
Adam

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Date: Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:33:10 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: 76olds984SALE

I have a 1976 Olds 98, 455.  150k miles... perfect parts car... 
Runnable with little work, needs body repair.
I also have a 455 V8 and Trans from a 1969 98, in good condition, all
stock....
Real cheap... especially if you haul...
Located in Chicago Area.
Adam Andersen

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 02:20:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: AC compressors

>I've just about got my air conditoner blown out  and ready to go back on the
>vista cruiser.  I'm wondering what I should do about the 25 year old
>compressor.  I'm not sure I like the idea of putting the air conditioner
>back together with the old compressor only to have it or blow a seal or
>otherwise break down.  I can't help but think I'm pushing my luck by
>re-installing it.  Does anyone know how long an AC compresor is good for?
>Do they generally leak freon when they go?  The last time I checked I could
>get a rebuilt compressor for <$90 but at the same time I don't like to spend
>money I don't need to.  I mean heck, if they're anything like the
>refrigerators that were built in the 50's and 60's then I probably won't
>need to replace the compressor for at least another 20 years, right? :)
>There's tons of thoes old 'friges still chugging away in garages and on back
>porches throughout the country!  And they can still freeze a beer solid!    

Um, are you going to be using your VC just to keep your beer cold, or are
you going to be driving it in hot weather? If you're going to drive it, you
ought to replace the compressor, as well as the receiver/drier/accumulator
(whatever the manual calls it for '72). If you'd been using the A/C
compressor constantly, then it might still be good, but if it's sat for any
length of time, or remained dormant for any length of time, the seal has
probably dried out and become brittle, and will leak out all that $25/lb
R-12 faster than you can withdraw another $100 from your ATM.

I just got the long-dormant system on my Electra checked and recharged. It
held vacuum, and blew cold, which was nice since I was travelling for a
wedding this weekend. The A/C mechanic put in some red dye, and for two days
prior to the trip, nothing showed any sign of leaking. He also mentioned
that if anything was to begin leaking, it would likely be the front seal on
the compressor. 

While checking the oil just before the trip, I noticed a puddle of
reddish-oil on the framerail just below the A/C compressor... :(  

He was able to evacuate the system, and I only lost 3oz. of freon (to both
our amazement), but needless to say, the trip hope today in 90+ weather
(that's 90+ degrees and humidity) would have been much more pleasant with a
working A/C unit.

So, I'd recommend not being a cheapskate (like I was... ;), and replacing
the compressor. It's cheaper than a recharge of freon!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 02:20:22 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: what acually is a "SX"

>I was wondering what is different about the "SX" package? What did it 
>really add besides the HD rear end? (referring to the 1970 through 1972 
>vintage)
>
>I have a 71 SX and it is basically the Cutlass Supreme with the guts of a
>442.   To they eye it presents the classy Series 57 Holiday Coupe body (or 67
<snip>
>But don't be fooled by the upscale appearance.  For the "SX" badge indicates
>a series of performance options that make this car potentially a 442 in all
>the ways that count.  It features the same 455 4bbl engine, dual exhaust
                                       ^^^^^^^^ ^^^^
Just to qualify this point, the first standard engine on the SX was the
320hp, high-compression _2-bbl_ 455, coded L-33 (which my early-production
SX came with, sadly). After February of 1970, the L-31, 365hp 4-bbl 455
became the standard engine, but this was _not_ the same engine as the 365hp
442 motor; it had a milder camshaft and smaller valves. The 455 4-bbl motor
that was identical as the 442 motor was the W-32 option, available from the
very start of the 1970 model year, and also rated at 365hp. This was for
1970; I don't know what engine(s) the SX came with in 1971. In 1972, the 455
4-bbl motor was available in all Cutlass models, and apparently that cut out
the need for a special SX "option" to get it on the Supreme bodystyle.

>(with cut out bumper), TH400 trans, 12 bolt posi with same rear gearing
>options, as well as the same sport suspension (FE-2).  You'll find many SXs
                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Again, that was an available option, but not part of the standard SX
package, which was  basically the 455 engine option in the Supreme body
style. Interestingly enough, the L-33 motor was an engine option available
*across the board* on the Cutlass lineup in early 1970, until it was dropped
in Feb. of that year. But, if you ordered it in a Supreme, you automatically
got the SX option, whereas in any other series it was just another engine,
with no special badges.

>You can see that this car is a real sleeper.  I like to think of it as a
>gentleman's 442, combining the executive class and elegance of the Supreme
>with the balls of a 442.  

That's why I like my '70 SX so much; heck, *anyone* can have a 442... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:02:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: what acually is a "SX"

does any one know production fig. on 71 sx? i know there low. have heard gm
kept no      record on them. that is to say they were fig. into cutlass
supreme production.                    w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 05:48:26 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: 76olds984SALE

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:33:10 -0500 Adam <x2badx@wwa.com> writes:
>I have a 1976 Olds 98, 455.  150k miles... perfect parts car... 
>Runnable with little work, needs body repair.
>I also have a 455 V8 and Trans from a 1969 98, in good condition, all
>stock....
>Real cheap... especially if you haul...
>Located in Chicago Area.
>Adam Andersen
>
How much is real cheap?. I could use the motor and tranny. I live near St
Paul, MN
Rob 
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 05:46:57 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

On Sun, 27 Jul 1997 23:29:13 -0500 Adam <x2badx@wwa.com> writes:
>Dave,
>	Thanks once again.  I think I am going to go for the Stage 1 
>Shift>kit.  I also looked into replacing my rear axel with a
limited-slip 
>from>an 85 grand prix...  The junk yard will sell it to me for $185...
but 
>I>dont know if it is worth the hassell... maybe next summer...  I also
>want to replace the idoit lights with the rallye gauge set... My third
>gear went out while I was 200 miles away from home so I had to drive 
>150>of them going 50mph in second gear... I had gas milage of 9 miles to

>the>gallon... And It didnt help the engine in anyway.. I would like to
>replace the 307 with a re-built 350... I already looked into it and
>found many of the acc. and mounts line up.  I just dont think I have
>enought experience to try something such as that..  My Dad said that 
>my>car has a plastic timing gear... and they dont last long becuase he 
>had>one in his 72 olds delta 88 convertible.. and replaced it with a
metal
>one... Do you know if thats true?  
>Thanks,
>Adam
You might have to change the front springs, too. Check into that. The
swap is really easy, but you may need to acquire a th350 tranny. The 200r
will work, but it can't be hammered on. A 350 motor can easily eat the
th200r4. As far as the timing gear, it's never a bad idea to check it and
replace it if necessary. A timing gear gasket set only runs about $15.00.
You'll have to get a new computer, if you plan on keeping that, or at
least a new e-prom. If not, you can lose like your cruise control, etc.
Any questions, e-mail me. Good Luck !!!
Rob 
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 06:31:06 -0500
From: "Vince Caldronia" <caldrovp@bmoa.swz.dupont.com>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

GM had big problems with the 3 speed auto trans for a few years around 85,
my 85 Olds trans had to be replaced at about 60,000 miles. A decent
transmission shop should be able to repair your trans with parts of
improved quality that will last quite a bit longer than original.

Vince

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> From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 85cutlassproblems
> Date: Sunday, July 27, 1997 5:26 PM
> 
> I just bought a used 1985 Cutlass Supreme Brogham 2 weeks ago...  I've
> replaced the O2 sensor, changed the oil and filter and the air filter.
> Since then I have had problems, such as the car barley goes backwards...
> I have to rev it to move a little, like it wont engage, and I have at 3
> speed stock trans, it wont shift into third gear, The Trans shop said
> replace the trans oil and check the pan and oil pickup, it all looked
> good except there were tiny little metal shavings in the bottom of the
> oil pan.  Also Today I was driving and and sitting at a red light i saw
> a little bit of smoke come up araound the hood, i thought it might have
> been a leak from the pre-heater hose and thought nothing of it, then
> when I accelerated it ran ROUGH!!!  It didnt idle smooth either... It
> used to Purr I suspect a fowled spark plug or my timing chain
> slipped.... Please help me... the engine is a 307 engine code Y... I am
> going to replace the plugs/wires/rotor tomorrow... please reply about if
> it is the timing or if you know anything about the trans... any help
> will be greatfully appreciated!
> Thanks,
> Adam Andersen

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:37:01 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: pix of silver olds wanted

hhzimmerman wrote:
> 
> Anyone have a sight on the web with a picture of a silver olds with
> black stripes?
> 
I haven't seen one, but I USED to have a 72 442 that was silver with
black stripes, three on the floor, bench.....it was rather neat.  The
color was real nice contrast too....too bad it faded.  But with
base/clear nowadays, you should be able to make one last.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:15:08 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 option

Mike Rothe wrote:
 
> Oh yeah, forgot to mention the W-cars had boxed lower control arms
> with a sway bar and the little W-designator decals above the front
> side

OK, I'll show my ignorance.  What in the world are "boxed lower control
arms"?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 06:42:25 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Exhuast Manifolds

Will the older 350 exhaust manifolds work with the stock Olds exhuast in
my 85 Cutlass?  I am dropping in a 350, but may run the stock 7A heads
for compression sake.  (8.0 vs 8.84)  The car will rarely see 3500+ rpm,
so I don't feel the slightly more restrictive 7A heads from the 85 will
pose much of a problem.  Mileage is a concern.  (2.14 gears helps that)  

Are these cars easy to put headers on?  I haven't ever done headers, so
it will be a new experience, and I want it to be a pleasant one!  I was
thinking if the older manifolds are ok, I would just run those, the
stock tubular Olds manifolds don't look like they flow well over 3000
rpm, it even that!  Right now I live in a county where there is no
emissions testing, but I am uncomfortable running without a catalytic,
but if it was hollow.....I have heard 307's run pretty good with a free
flowing exhuast.  So a 350 will run better, right?

If anyone has any advice about the swap, please let me know.  The 350 I
think has 3A heads now, it is a stock 77 motor.  

Did 76 350's have solid main webs?  I found one that is in a clean car
in a bone yard.  It is not a busy yard, and far away from the hustle, if
there is anything I can keep an eye out for, email me.  No, no W3X cars,
no Hursts, just plain regular Olds'.  But I did find me a Pontiac 421,
so something may be buried.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:55:15 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: '79 Hurst/Olds For Sale

I have the following Oldsmobile which I would like to sell:

1979 Hurst/Olds.  Black and gold W-30, with black vinyl interior.  Air
conditioning, cruise control, AM/FM stereo, rear defogger, tilt steering
wheel, deluxe seat belts, and floor mats.  Less than 36,000 miles since
new.  Upgraded with Goodyear P235-60R14 OWL Eagle GT tires and Excel HEI
SuperCoil ignition.  Otherwise, as original.  Only needs underhood
detailing and a little wax to be a show car once again.  Asking $7,500.
(7/28/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like additional
information about this car.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds                   |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:53:29 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 option

mrada wrote:
 
> OK, I'll show my ignorance.  What in the world are "boxed lower control
> arms"?
> 
Boxed lower control arms are the lower trailing arms on the rear axle
that have an inside stiffener and lower plate welded on to the normally
open bottomed trailing arm.  They allow the rear swaybar to be attached
(even the non-boxed ones have the holes for em) and were a little
stronger to take up the torsion that the sway bar would dish out in
turns....result: better handling.  The "cars with the bars" came with
these. In other words, when a rear swaybar was used from the factory,
they used this type of control arm.  Look under your 442. They're there
if they haven't been replaced.

Hope this clears it up for you.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:08:11 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Toro List

Just in case there may be any owners of GMC Motorhomes on this list:

As we share the same motors and drive train, the Toro List has decided to 
include these Toronado powered :) vehicles on our mail list.

Besides, can you think of a bettter RV or tow vehicle to have?
 
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike        http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:49:54 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Parts and shipping

Hi all,

As some of you remember I was involved in an accident back in March.
Lately I have been in the process of restoring my car myself since
the insurance company hasn't done squat for me.  I decided that I will
buy the parts needed due to the accident and those parts I been holding
off on to finish my restoration efforts.  I bought from Year One and
Brothers Automotive.  I think one mistake I made is trying to buy
these items right before July 4.  Holidays and shipping don't always
seem to go together.  All of the stuff from Year One came to me within
days.
I was very impressed.  Some of my other stuff, which came from Brothers,
taught me a lesson.  Now don't get me wrong I really think that Mike and
Steve
from Brothers are really pleasant gentlemen to work with, however, this
back order business is for the birds.  Most businesses have the stuff in
stock and ship right away.  

To top it off, on Friday a friend and I went to go pick up my rear
quarter
panel from ABF trucking and boy are these people idiots.  Aside from
that 
when they loaded my panel into my friends truck, they scratched the
tailgate
with the blades from the lift.  Boy was he upset.  When we got there to
pick
up the part (given the fact that they said they could deliver the part
on Friday), we were told that they wouldn't get the truck unloaded until
Sunday.  How could they have done this without unloading their truck?
Duh!  This whole shipping thing was a disappointment too.  I was
basically
ball-parked a figure and ended up paying 30% more.  Heck I could have
had
the rear quarter panel stripped off my donor car and placed on my other.
I was saving a little buy getting the part new.  I also don't understand
why
UPS was not being used to ship the quarter panel.  I think I will still
like
to buy from Brothers again.  Even though they have the best prices,
shipping
will eat you alive.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 03:52:42 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 option

Mike Rothe wrote:

> Boxed lower control arms are the lower trailing arms on the rear axle
> that have an inside stiffener and lower plate welded on to the normally
> open bottomed trailing arm.  They allow the rear swaybar to be attached
> (even the non-boxed ones have the holes for em) and were a little
> stronger to take up the torsion that the sway bar would dish out in
> turns....result: better handling.  The "cars with the bars" came with
> these. In other words, when a rear swaybar was used from the factory,
> they used this type of control arm.  Look under your 442. They're there
> if they haven't been replaced.

Are these those long metal pieces that run parallel with the drive shaft
and
extend from the axle?

Chris

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:37:48 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-31 option

mrada wrote:
> 

 
> > Boxed lower control arms are the lower trailing arms on the rear axle
> 
> Are these those long metal pieces that run parallel with the drive shaft
> and
> extend from the axle?
> 
Yes, they are.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:02:41 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

Adam wrote:

	<snip>

  My Dad said that my
> car has a plastic timing gear... and they dont last long becuase he had
> one in his 72 olds delta 88 convertible.. and replaced it with a metal
> one... Do you know if thats true?
> Thanks,
> Adam

Adam,

Those gears aren't actually plastic.  They have a heavy plastic layer on
tem so as to quiet the running.  The cam gear is the only one w/this
feature.  If the plastic breaks off, they still run, alough no one wants
this mess in the oil pan.  Replacement ones usually are all steel.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:08:27 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Headers

Just wanted to let you guys know that the headers for a 65-77 Olds 
fit in fine. A little mods had to be done but they fit and sound 
great. Thanks for all the help and info...

64 442

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:22:12 -0500
From: Dean Hodge <hodged@nichols.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #770

unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 08:25:02 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: 76olds984SALE

I am sorry I dont have more info at this time, but The engine is on a
movable rack, with the trans still attached.  If you can haul the engine
or trans you can have either for $50.  The Trans is whatever was stock
on a '69 98.  Probably a TH-400.  The engine/trans havent been operated
in 8 years, It has been kept in a garage/shed.  The engine isn't in bad
shape at all, We have it because we scraped the '69 because she had a
cracked frame and to much rust.  If your serously interested send e-mail
to x2badx@wwa.com  

Adam

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 09:34:15 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Toro List

Just in case there may be any owners of GMC Motorhomes on this list:
     
As we share the same motors and drive train, the Toro List has decided to 
include these Toronado powered :) vehicles on our mail list.
     
Besides, can you think of a bettter RV or tow vehicle to have?
     
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike        http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html
     
     
     Mike,
     
     In the interest of diversity (latest corporate buzzword), I suggest 
     you also open the Toro list to 68-69 H/Os as well.  After all, these 
     cars were built with Toro shortblocks.
     
     I'll understand if you choose to exclude those with bubbly window 
     tint.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:50:10 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Intro and part needed

Don Sugarman said:

> >I live in Western Mass and have a 1969 442 converitble - white with with
> >uphostery and blue carpet and dash. It's got the 400 engine and automatic
> >trans with dual gate console shifter.  The car actually belongs to my son,
> >but he leaves it at home, rather than risk it in Boston (no safe place to
> >park
> >it).

Welcome, Don!  Great to see new members to the list, especially from MA.
We work with some folks out of GD at Pittsfield, and we're out there
every now & again -- with lunch at that nice li'l brewpub downtown :)
And I agree about the bit about parking a nice car like your 442 in
town -- I drive my Cutlass in to town from time to time, but we have
a private *guarded* parking lot in Cambridge, so the risk is more dodging
the Road Ragers :)

> >I'm looking for a left axle.  My mechanic says I need a "12 bolt system c"
> >axel.  It isn't held in by a c-clip, and Year One described it as being a
> >"12-bolt with a ten bolt cover."  They didn't have the part.

I have a couple of places not too far from Pittsfield, both in the Somers, CT
area:

Fusick's, as I'm sure others will/have already mentioned, deals in Olds parts.
Perhaps they'll carry the part, even if Year One doesn't.  Their pertinent info:

Fusick Automotive Products
PO Box 655
22 Thompson
East Windsor, CONN   06088
(860) 623-1583  

And Bill LaPierre, who lives nearby Fusick's (and is friends w/the owner)
might be able to help you.  He sort of specializes in 66-67 Cutlii & 442's,
but he might have a lead on axle parts for a '69.  His number is:

(860)  763 - 3134

Hope this helps!  And welcome again!!



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:55:18 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Needed - Shifter "T" handle for '65  Cutlass

Charlie I beleive I have what he is looking for.Only thing is is that 
the spring set up is gone...He will have to rebuild it somehow...

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 09:57:44 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Introduction and question - Long

Brian Kerr Said:

<GREAT Story snipped>

Welcome, Brian!  I bought my car a month after we were married, and
the convertible I still owned on 'The Day' was a li'l Fiat 124 Spyder
that my betrothed wouldn't be caught dead in -- she was afraid that she
*would* be found in precisely that condition, due to some adventures
had in previous trips in the car.  So no topless drive from the church :(
But I know where you're coming from, on considering a delay in vow
exchanging until the car is ready... :)

> Thats my story.

<Question snipped, as I can't help there>
> 
> Gotta go, I'm off to see the Toronto Blue Jays do battle with Kansas City.

Glad to see that Roger "Rocket Man" Clemens -- now *there's* a guy who
oughta be driving an Olds, given his nickname -- is happy now being in
Toronto, and pitching more like he did in days of yore.

Ditch Dan Duquette!




Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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