
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, August 7 1997       Volume 01 : Number 789



Re: Another Weekend's Adventures
Re: Another Weekend's Adventures
rear bumper
Re: Popular Mechanics?
Re: delta 88/ auction price
info
Gas Fumes
Decals
UPS
Olds 442 Body Panels
NOS Bumper Guard Package For Sale (8/7)
Re: older digest replies
Dash board piece
307
1972 442 W-30 Road Tests
Home Dyno Kit
Re: older digest replies
RE: 71 442 Altenator
Re: Olds Night at the Drags
Re: older digest replies
Re: older digest replies
Re: Speed Alert Speedo Question
Add us to the list too!
Re: tire size question
Re: 1972 442 W-30 Road Tests
Re: FW-Olds list meeting in AUGUST
Re: 70' Rear Bumper
Re: older digest replies
Re: Fender Bracket
Re: 70' Rear Bumper
Yellow (was: older digest replies)
Re: older digest replies
Re: More a/f, more oil...
Re: Speed Alert Speedo Question
Re: 1972 442 W-30 Road Tests
Re: Value of car
Re: Where does that RTV go?
free customized email
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels
Re: digest 783 replies
Re: parts for sale
A to F spindle conversion
Re: Add us to the list too!
RE: older digest replies
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels
Re: Where does that RTV go?
Re: older digest replies
Re: Home Dyno Kit
Re: Speed Alert Speedo Question
Re: rear bumper
Need assistance identifying '76 442
Re: UPS
Re: tire size question
Replated bumpers (Cutlass)
Demmer Engineering Paperwork FOUND!
Intake
Engine paint code
My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)
Re: Intake
Re: Need assistance identifying '76 442
Re: Need assistance identifying '76 442
Re: Intake
Re: UPS
RED
442
Re: RED

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 01:18:40 -0300
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Another Weekend's Adventures

In a message dated 97-08-06 18:02:57 EDT, you write:


 >From:	buehner@lyrea.com (Charley Buehner)
 >I'm now the proud owner of an '83 Turbo
 >Regal, and it looks great sitting next to the rest of the fleet.

I know what you mean, my 87 Regal T Type looks good next his big brother.

 > 	It's got Grand National badges on it, but being an '83, I don't know
 >that they had a seperate designation between the GN and Turbo Regal. 
 >Regardless, there was only 3700 or so made,

They made a total of 3732 T Type Turbo Regals in 83 and no Grand
Nationals,so apparently the badges were added somewhere down the 
road, Im guessing it's probably Black, which is probably a repaint somewhere
 down the road also.

 >so I think I've got a fairly valuable item sitting here. I turned down an
offer for
nearly five times. Oh, everyone's probably wondering?  OK, I paid $125 for
it!  :) 

Its worth a lot more than you paid for it but its "finished" value does not
justify
the expense of restoration.  Worth more in parts, (15-18+ depending on what
parts are there and what shape) compared to as a whole car (probably 9-12 
 
Hey Charlie good job....although the 83-85 cars are not as desirable, non 
intercooled and carbed in 83, they still have great appeal and are becoming 
more and more sought after. If you decide to put it back together let me
know and i'll help ya with sources, or if ya decide to part it out i'll help
ya 
to sell the parts. if ya get a chance email me direct and tell me more about
it and i'll answer any questions ya might have,or help ya find the answers.
I am trying to get interest in a BOP event here in the Midwest....My 3
favorite
cars....Olds being Number One of Course!!!!  TIM

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Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 21:06:25 -0300
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Another Weekend's Adventures

> Be sure and check that year again Charley, as an 83 Grand National was
> never made..only T-types that year. The GN's were made in 82 and
> 84...with 82 being ultra rare and highly collectable...only 215 made and
> only 16 were produced with turbos. Whatever way you slice it you got a
> good deal, enjoy!

Yeah, that's kinda what I'd decipher'd too.  It's an '83 Turbo Regal (no
questioning that!:) but it has Grand National emblems on it.  It's been
painted, so I guess they just stuck 'em on it.  Even still, (acc'd to
the Turbo Regal Homepage) there's only something like 3700 of 'em made
that year, so I think it's gotta be fairly collectable.  I put a window
and a million fuses in it last night (all fuses were removed...) and
then washed it, to make sure all of the dents were clean ;)  Two of the
tail light bulbs still work, but the rest are all smashed out :(  Guess
I'll just have to buy another parts car ;)

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 03:14:32 -0300
From: Terry Horner <Terry.horner@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: rear bumper

I would like to know if the rear bumper for a 1968 Olds delta custom was
available on any other models or if was specific to that model and year.
I"m looking for one re chromed  but I'm not sure if it's only that model
for that bumper. please reply when you get the chance

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 02:57:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics?

>>>yeah their fast, but how many will b left in 20 years, my friend has 1
that does 12's, but id rather stare at myF-85 than drive his. A fast dull car
is like a fat chick who likes to *uck all the time, who cares that she likes
to, she's ugly.

>>>I'll take any rocket any time over any awd turbo mitsu............
RCKT PWR stable:
>67 F-85
>>67 442 2 b restored
>>>86 salon, 1 of 943 w/t-tops
>>69 mach 1 390 4-spd
>94 se-v6 nissan 4x4 5 spd
84 nissan sentra hatchback..........................

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 03:01:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: delta 88/ auction price

  I have 1977 delta 88, 2 dr parts 4sale.............trunk lid, both doorsw/
glass rear qtr windows, 2 tailites,  cheap.................RCKTPWR

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 04:12:30 -0700
From: scot arciszewski <archie@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: info

I recently bought a 1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme Classic Broughm
and I am looking for info to number crunching of my VIN number
and body tag numbers. Can you help??

            A Vivid Olds Owner
        
          Scot Archie
e-mail add. archie@execpc.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:32:39 -0400
From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg)
Subject: Gas Fumes

Hello from the Darkside...

Hey gang, sticking my head in from over here on the Toro list.  About a year
ago, I recall a discussion about correcting the smell of gas fumes.  My '72
is producing a strong gas odor that can be detected inside the cockpit when
the car is sitting still.  I replaced the 3 or so vent lines back at the
fuel tank, and am beginning to wonder if it isn't something related with the
charcoal cannister up at the front of the right fender.  Also, the return
line off the fuel pump looks a bit dry-rotted, so that's another potential
fix.  The Q-Jet is dry and no other visible leaks can be found.

If you've got any ideas, e-mail me directly at gludlam@bcinet.net since I'm
not subscribed to your list.  Thanks in advance!

Gregg Ludlam - '67 Toronado Deluxe, '72 Cutlass S
See me and the Toro at http://www.442.com/ludlam.html

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:14:03 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Decals

I once saw a question regarding the proper placement of the decals that go
on a 1971 442 with the ram air hood. This would include the hood and the
side decal placement. Does anyone have that information that they could
send me as a text file that I could open up with Lotus? I would be greatful
for any help. I am also looking for an original/working am/fm radio for my
71 442 at a reasonable price. Also the tic-toc-tach.
Thank you 
Al Barlow
Maine
E-Mail at home is: iamoz@ime.net

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 07:31:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Panman638@aol.com
Subject: UPS

 How bad has the UPS stike you guy? It  is stopping me in my tracks! No
engine paint and no wheel housing!  At least I can build my shed and get my
wife off my back.

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 06:09:41 -0700
From: markops@Traveller.COM
Subject: Olds 442 Body Panels

Hey, Im new to your Olds list and I have a couple of questions regarding
body panels on an 85 Olds Cutlass Salon 442. My question is whether
the entire front clip assembly, front fenders and hood off of an 84
standard cutlass or off an 85 standard cutlass are interchangeable with
the 85 442. Ive found a couple of parts cars but I havent made any
measurements. Does anybody know whether these body panel swaps are
possible? The reason Im asking is that up until 2 weeks ago I had a
cherry 85 442 that I wrecked (no fault of my own) and the insurance
company considers it a 'total'. The guy at Macco said its 'fixable' for 
XX amount of dollars. And the insurance company doesnt want to give me
any more than $3800 (thats what they valued my 442 at). I couldnt find a
1985 OLDS 442 for under $5500 - and theres not many around, so Im
thinking of holding on to it and changing out the panels myself and have
a shop do some of the more intensive work. Im going to put the pictures
of my wrecked car on my internet home page this week (pre and post). But
you should see the other car - a 92 Honda Accord. Good thing no one was
seriously injured. Ive got a couple of days to decide what to do with
the insurance company and the car, any suggestions would be greatly
appreciated. Thanks
Pete M (85 OLDs 442 :(  / 71 Malibu Chevelle - in work)

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:40:30 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: NOS Bumper Guard Package For Sale (8/7)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

NOS Rear Bumper Guard package, part number 995549.  For 88 and 98
models, I believe for the 1976 year.  I can not confirm this however, as
the most recent parts manual I have is from 1975.  In original packing
with one page installation instructions and necessary hardware.  $30.00,
including shipping to any address in North America.  (8/7/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:01:25 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: older digest replies

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> 
> [ayep. pre-68 Toros used the rare & I think desirable modern-cam-angle 
> 425 motor. Forged crank. BV C heads. What more could you ask for?]

Here's a rare occurrance, a correction to a CBW post...  
The 66 Toro had B heads, the 67 came with Cs.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:57:47 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Dash board piece

Hey guys,

Would anybody know where I could find the dashboard piece closest to the
windshield? Mine's broken. I need it for my 73 Cutlass Supreme.
Preferably black. Any help is appreciated. Thanx.
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 06:06:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: 307

- --Jason Adcock  wrote:
>
> Dave, I'd not hesitate about getting another 307 motor.  I know it
sounds like I'm just putting in a plug for the 307 because I drive
one, but read on.  I have the 307 in an 84 Cutlass.  It weighs about
3500 lbs. with fuel and driver.  I have a 3-speed transmission...gears
spaced out more than an overdrive.  I have a 2.29:1 rear axle...slower
off the line, but when the secondaries open up, she really runs. 
Also, I have larger diameter tires than stock...215/70 versus 205/70. 
EVERYTHING I have done or that is installed on the car besides the
engine is against the acceleration factor.  The larger tires put more
of a strain on the motor, the gear ratio is horrible for off-the-line
acceleration, the transmission with overdrive (I do not have
overdrive) would allow for a higher ratio (like 3.73:1!) and the motor
only makes 150 hp to begin with.  I thought my VIN was wrong (they're
never wrong, are they?) because the way the car would take
off...there's no way this car only has 150 hp!  But, the torque helps
alot 250 lb/ft at 3800 rpm...more than ANY of my friend's cars and
just 10 lb/ft shy of the F*ord Crown Victoria police cruisers.  AND,
the motor gets 15 mpg in the city and 20 mpg on the highway.  Plus,
it's a REALLY smooth engine (in my experience).  So, I can't think of
another engine I'd actually pay money to put in here.  I've heard that
the 307's are virtually bulletproof, but if it does die one day, a 455
Rocket MIGHT find it's way into the engine compartment...
> 
>  Jason Adcock
>  OCA #028044
>  adcockjk@erols.com
> 
>  1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
>  75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
>  http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
>  Also viewable through http://www.442.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Dave Ward [SMTP:ward@ptbo.igs.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, August 05, 1997 10:10 PM
> To:	Oldsmobile List
> Subject:	A/F and oil questions...
> 
> I'd like to pick up a Cutlass within the next year or two:  I want
> something a little more performance-oriented, but still an
Oldsmobile. 
> Were there Cutlass's made with the 350 or 455?  I already have an
Olds
> with the 307, and it could fall prey to a scooter...
> 
> S. Dave Ward

*************************************
One of my many cars is an 86 Cutlass Supreme with a 307. We just put a
rebuilt motor in as the other one was worn out. It's backed by a Turbo
350 3 speed automatic (was a Turbo 200) and a 2.14 geared rearend.
THAT'S RIGHT: 2.14. Sounds like a slug but it has plenty of power even
with 4 people in the car with the AC on. It gets 20 MPG in town and 25
on the road. Not exactly as powerful as either of my W30s but just
fine for everyday use.

===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com 


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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:27:31 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: 1972 442 W-30 Road Tests

In a recent posting, I said:

> By the way, I have two 1972 magazines with road tests of the '72 W-30.
> I'd be happy to post the figures from those tests, if anyone is 
> interested.

In response to which I received the following comments:

>> Yupper!
>>
>> Chris Sparks

*****

>> Yeah yeah!  Post 'em please.  I love this stuff!  Thanks.
>>
>> - --
>> Daniel R. Gerow

*****

>> I'd be very interested in this.  Anyone else out there have this kind 
>> of info for other models and years?
>>
>> Tom Simmons

********************

So all righty then, here are the vintage 1972 442 W-30 road test
results:

From the April, 1972 issue of Super Stock & Drag Illustrated magazine:

"Once inside the York (US30 Dragway) fences, we warmed the tires at
great length, practiced launching, and got on with the business at hand.
Frankly, it was too darn cold to try to play with the engine any, so we
made eight runs in a fairly short period of time.  The times ranged from
a 14.94, shifting automatically at an indicated 5200 rpm in second and
third, to a fine 14.47, easing out and shifting manually at an indicated
6000 rpm.  Speeds in the traps ranged from 97.21 to 100.34 miles an
hour, indicating that the 300 horsepower net figure is a charade and
that the 4-4-2 will be making its mark in the Pure Stock racing this
year.  Undoubtedly, the car's performance was helped by the 44-degree
outside temperature, the fresh air induction system, and tires that were
almost gooey when we got through heating them up."

From the November, 1972 issue of Hi-Performance Cars magazine:

" . . .we were able to get in a day of quantitative testing on Raceway
Park's dragstrip and handling loop in Englishtown, N.J., home of NHRA's
Summernationals.

There was no way to come off the line hard with the massive torque of
the 455-cubic inch W-30 engine combined with the high torque
multiplication of the heavy-duty Turbo Hydra-Matic and smallish G70-14
tires.  The rear axle ratio was 3.42 which further compounded the wheel
spin problem.  Still, the low compression smogger 455 could push the
3885-pound Cutlass to 14.37 et's at 98 mph, which is as quick as any
pure stock '72 you'll find.  Sure it's still over a half second off what
a '70 high compression W-30 would run.  But that half second is
recoverable via swapping to 3.90 rear axle gears and a sharp dyno tune.
More tire, at least a 60-series for the street, would eliminate much
off-the-line smoke, too."

Oldsmobile W-30 442 Cutlass Specifications

Engine Type  -  OHV V-8
Displacement  -  455 cubic inches
Compression Ratio  -  8.5 to 1
Carburetion  -  One Rochester Quadrajet
Camshaft  -  308 / 308 hydraulic
Horsepower  -  300 net at 4700 rpm
Torque  -  410 net lbs./ft. at 3200 rpm
Exhaust  -  Stock, dual pipes
Ignition  -  Single-point, emission controlled

Transmission Make  -  M41 Turbo Hydra-Matic
Control  -  Hurst Dual-Gate

Rear End Type  -  Limited slip
Ratio  -  3.42 to 1

Front Brakes  -  10.88-inch power discs
Rear Brakes  -  9.5-inch power drums

Front Suspension  -  Independent:  HD coils, shocks, sway bar
Rear Suspension  -  HD coils, shocks, sway bar
Steering  -  Variable ratio power

List Price  -  $3087
Price as tested  -  $5255
Weight  -  3885 pounds
Wheelbase  -  112 inches
Overall length  -  203.6 inches
Tire size  -  G70-14

0 to 30 mph  -  4.1 seconds
0 to 60 mph  -  7.1 seconds
Standing 1/4 mile  -  98 mph
Elapsed time  -  14.37 seconds
Top speed  -  115 mph
Fuel consumption  -  5 to 8 mpg

*********************
I hope that y'all found this interesting.

Tom Stoner
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:34:27 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Home Dyno Kit

Anybody using this?  Its a homebrew Dyno program.

Check it out at   www.charm.net/~mchaney/homedyno/dynokit.htm

Looks like its just a inductive pickup that you plug into your PC's
sound card and some software.  With it you can compute your
HP and Torque curves.  The author claims its pretty accurate.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 02:54:44 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: older digest replies

[[ Met a fine Rallye 350 the other night, in Lansing. Curiously, the paint code 
was "- -"...
     
     Isn't the "- -" paint code used on all Saturn Yellow cars?  My Saturn 
     Yellow 70 W-30 also has the "- -" paint code on the body plate.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:04:16 -0400
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: 71 442 Altenator

From what I've seen of the '71 4-4-2, the most popular generator for
this car was the 63 amp model.  One of the things you will need to do to
confirm this is check the part number on the voltage regulator (on the
firewall) and cross reference it against the assembly manual.  Then you
will know for certain, which generator you will need.  Both the 37 amp
and 63 amp models are readily available at major parts houses, either as
an AC-Delco rebuild, or store rebuild.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme


>----------
>From: 	CarrDuff@aol.com[SMTP:CarrDuff@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Wednesday, 1997 August, 06 11:05 14:21
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	71 442 Altenator
>
>I am restoring a 71 442 W30 Conv..  I need the correct 37A altenator for this
>car.
>Someone has given me a part # of  1100543-37amp.  Is this the correct part #
>, and does anyone have this part to sell ?  
>
>

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:31:42 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Night at the Drags

Hey I am going to that show too. Another friend of mine with a 71 
Cutlass is also going. Why dont we all meet up somewhere.I am very 
familiar with that area and the Drag Way so let me know. We will be 
traveling from Boston.

64 442

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:49:25 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Re: older digest replies

SATURN YELLOW!!!  Yall dont have a Buick. Sebring Yellow. The "--" was used
for the special order colors in 70 - Sebring Yellow, Nugget Gold, Ralley Red,
and Aegian Aqua.

Mike
66 442
70 W30 - GSX Yellow
71 442 Convt

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[[ Met a fine Rallye 350 the other night, in Lansing. Curiously, the paint code 
was "- -"...
     
     Isn't the "- -" paint code used on all Saturn Yellow cars?  My Saturn 
     Yellow 70 W-30 also has the "- -" paint code on the body plate.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




- ----- End Included Message -----

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 09:58:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: older digest replies

i have owned rallye 350 for many years, and yes paint codes are deleted; { -
- - } if you find  one that is not deleted its a fake !   steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 22:15:08 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Speed Alert Speedo Question

All I know is that it's shown in the 1971 owners manual.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.



On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>
>My buddy Brian is considering the purchase of a speed alert speedo for his
>'71 SX, the kind where you set a pointer on the speedo to a particular
>speed and it buzzes when you exceed it. Before he does, he asked me to ask
>some questions to the parts gurus on here, so Messrs. Chermack, Horton and
>Witt, among others, may want to respond: 
>
>1. He checked all his manuals and none show this as offered for '71. The 
>seller swears it is out of a '71, though. Anyone ever see one in that 
>model? The high beam indicator is red like a '70, not blue like in a '71, 
>so he suspects it is actually a '70.
>
>2. What is the going rate for these things on the market today?
>
>3. The hair spring/speedo needle assembly on this one seems out of 
>kilter. Anyone ever see these offered as replacement parts? Or better 
>yet, have one for sale? He can't find one in the parts books.
>
>Yes, he *is* a bit of a fanatic... ;-)
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:34:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Add us to the list too!

Been way too busy to visit the list. But I AM GOING TO LANSING!

Bob & Cheryl Handren  Cottonwood Campground  20-24 August  67 442 W-30
("slightly" modified)

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 10:37:48 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

deirdre. reilly wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> The other day I was getting some new tires for the '83 Ciera I'm buying (still
> waiting for my friend's dad to get back from vacation to sign over the title)
> and while I was at the tire place I figured I'd ask for prices on performance
> tires for my '85 Cutlass. The counterperson said that she needed a tire size
> before she could quote a price for me.  My question is what is the BIGGEST size
> that can fit on my Cutlass with the stock suspension? no raising the body
> higher. (I have to UNlower it to begin with)
> 
> I'm not even sure what I have on there now, maybe 205/80's???  So if some one
> could offer some sizes just so I have an idea of where to start.  Thanks a lot.
> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Ciera ( still waiting 

what size wheel?  The tire sizes go like this: on a 205/80/14, 205 is tread width in millimeters, 80 is 
aspect ratio (sidewall height) 80 means the sidewall is 80% as high and tread is wide, and 14 would be a 
14" wheel.

The wider a lower profile a tire, the better for performance, but you only fit so wide a tire safely on a 
narrow rim.  For example a corvette runs 275/40/17 tires: 275mm wide, the sidewall is only 40% as high as 
the tread width, and the wheel is 17".

If you're running a 14x6 wheel (I'm guessing here), you could probably go to a decent 215/70 tire, such as 
Michelin, or goodyear.  Just remember, when it comes to tires, you get what you pay for, and when you have 
to do a sudden stop at night in the rain, you'll be glad you spent the extra $$$ for good tires!  also, 
don't buy a tire because it says it will go the most miles, they have the least traction because they use 
harder rubber.  

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 07:45:16 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W-30 Road Tests

Thomas G. Stoner wrote:

> *********************
> I hope that y'all found this interesting.

It had me glued to my seat.....

Thanks,

Chris Sparks

P.S.  5 to 8 mpg.  Yuck!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:47:19 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: FW-Olds list meeting in AUGUST

Whats the address of Holiday Inn West 
And a general breakdown of how to get there
Please

Robert Schinkel

- ----------
> From: WMACHINES@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: FW-Olds list meeting in AUGUST
> Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 9:26 PM
> 
> THURSDAY, THURSDAY, THURSDAY!!!   AUGUST 21, 1997 under the lights from
> 4-7PM in the parking lot of the beautiful HOLIDAY IN WEST- Conference
Center,
> 
> 7501 West Saginaw, Lansing. The Oldsmobile Capital of the Nation!!! 
Stock
> cars,
> race cars show cars!!!   The first-ever Olds/Toro Internet and Road
> Assistance 
> get-together.  Bring your own and bring you OLDS!   BE THERE!!!!
> 
> This is Greg Beeaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    idea and so I am
passing
> this
> on to everyone again, because not everyone has seen this.  Like me for
> example and such  

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:53:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70' Rear Bumper

i have good cores,442 and cutlass,  i deal in 68-72 olds car
parts;442,cutlass,vista cuzer.  let me know if i can help.  steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:54:42 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: older digest replies

The "- -"paint code was attatched to all special order paint colors
Such as Sebring Yellow Code 51,  Aegean Aqua Code 38, Nugget Gold Code 53,
Rallye Red Code 73
These are examples of the speacial order colors of 1970

Hope this helps

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: padavano.joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: older digest replies
> Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 3:54 AM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [[ Met a fine Rallye 350 the other night, in Lansing. Curiously, the
paint code 
> was "- -"...
>      
>      Isn't the "- -" paint code used on all Saturn Yellow cars?  My
Saturn 
>      Yellow 70 W-30 also has the "- -" paint code on the body plate.
>      
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>      
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:00:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fender Bracket

i have fender brackets if interested?,  lets talk,steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:04:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70' Rear Bumper

i deal in 68-72 car parts, 442,cutlass,vista cruzer, have front and rear
bumpers (cores),      both cutlass and 442.  email me if interested , steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 97 10:58:28 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Yellow (was: older digest replies)

SATURN YELLOW!!!  Yall dont have a Buick. Sebring Yellow. The "--" was used 
for the special order colors in 70 - Sebring Yellow, Nugget Gold, Ralley Red, 
and Aegian Aqua.
     
     (Blushing) Whoops!  Guess I got my A-bodies mixed up!
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:12:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: older digest replies

all rallye 350 cars used sebring yellow and had deleted paint codes ( - - ),
 are you sure about 70 w-30 being saturn yellow?  steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 10:15:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: acg@dlogics.com
Subject: Re: More a/f, more oil...

> About the a/f problem....the constant level (when the engine is cold),
> is about 3" under the MAX. COLD line.  Every now and again I'll fill it
> up 1/4" above the MAX. COLD line, but after any length off running, it
> falls back down to the same 3" inches below MAX. COLD--it's not actually
> *MAX* COLD, it's *FULL* COLD.  Is this anything to worry about?

Once it hits 3" below MAX COLD, does an air pocket open up in the
radiator? IOW, I think you have a slow leak _somewhere_, and as the
level slowly falls, it eventually reaches a point where a little bit
is left in the surge tank; the rest is leaving from the main system.
Once the air pocket opens up in the top of the radiator, it will not
draw anything back from the surge tank as the engine cools, so the
coolant level as seen in the tank appears to stabilize, though the
level in the main system continues to fall.

> 
> I've been told that DuraLube is a hazard...I'll sell the bottle I've got
> to a Ford owner.  Anyway, what about the new Fram DoubleGuard filters? 
> They already have a PTFE compound in them, so this eliminates the use
> for any further additives--are they a wise choice?

Look, let's get off this PTFE kick; you don't have any problems
with your engine that PTFE could or would help anyway. Just buy
name-brand oil and AC oil filters whenever they're on sale, and
everything will be fine.

> are they really worth 2 or 3 times the price of a
> normal Fram filter?

No. Their main value is to the company: it enables them to sell
to the same people who like to dump Slick 50 et al in their cars.

- -- Andy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:21:16 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Speed Alert Speedo Question

(snip)

>2. What is the going rate for these things on the market today?

I'd guess $30-50, but I have a big car so maybe the A-body version commands
more of a premium.

>3. The hair spring/speedo needle assembly on this one seems out of
>kilter. Anyone ever see these offered as replacement parts? Or better
>yet, have one for sale? He can't find one in the parts books.

Replacement parts for these things are not made to my knowledge, too
exotic. I have a few of these things for my 66 98 in my garage.

My experience is that once you crack the speedo casing to adjust the
odometer to whatever is correct, you misalign the spring and you get a
non-functional cool option. I've not been successful bending the spring
properly to make the connection yet. The spring works by being an
electrical connection between the desired-speed indicator and the speedo
needle, when they meet, buzz buzz buzz.

Replacement parts could be found in junkyards, but I haven't a clue how
rare these thing are for A-bodies out there. They were not common on the
65-66 big cars, but can be found every once in a while. I pick 'em up for
$8 whenever I come across 'em just for parts...

Hope this helps! BTW, thanks again for your all your great list admin work.

cf

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 08:21:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W-30 Road Tests

- ---"Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)"  wrote:
 Thomas G. Stoner wrote:
 *********************
I hope that y'all found this interesting.

 It had me glued to my seat.....
 
 Thanks,
 
 Chris Sparks
 
 P.S.  5 to 8 mpg.  Yuck!
 
***********************************
HEY WAIT! My 70 W30 4speed with 3.42s gets 13 MPG on the road, and my
72 W30 AT with 3.42s gets 12 MPG even with a Mondello 22-25 cam, and
13.30 ETs at the track!

Also I'd like to wish everyone going to Lansing the best.
Unfortunately we're not going.......I'm building a 30x40 garage
instead! 

===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

65 Delta 88 
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S post
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convertible
71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr
72 Cutlass Supreme conv
72 Delta 88 conv
72 442 W30 conv
86 Cutlass Supreme

JSPajak@rocketmail.com 
_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:49:06 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Value of car

Some of this discussion reminds me of the 1987 Buick LeSabre T-Type which I
purchased off the dealer's used car lot here in Ann Arbor in the summer of
'88.  When I bought the car, I knew that the stock wheels and tires on it
were all brand new and the salesman told me that the originals had been
stolen.  After I'd completed the purchase, I discovered that it was
supposed to have a top of the line Delco radio which was standard in the
T-Type package.  When I asked the salesperson about the lesser radio which
was in the car, he told me that the owner's manual was wrong and that I had
the radio which had been factory installed.

I found out shortly after asking about the radio that the whole car had
been stolen from the original owner, and partially stripped.  Not only had
the wheels and tires AND the radio been stolen, but so had the factory
installed removable sunroof panel and leather wrapped steering wheel.  In
addition, the bucket seats had been damaged to the point of needing to be
re-covered.  The dealership had taken the remains in trade from the owner,
along with the insurance settlement, and rebuilt it while the owner drove
away in a new T-Type.  I confronted the salesperson and dealership manager
about the less than full disclosure on the theft and outright lying about
the radio, and I suppose that their Service Manager really "caught it" for
telling me the whole story.

Except for cheaping out a bit on the radio (instead of Delco's best, they
put in Delco's second best) they had used all new factory parts in the
repairs, and I did have them promise to repair any possible abuse related
problems in the drivetrain for the duration of the 50,000 mile emissions
warranty.  Nothing ever developed along those lines though, so I never
needed to test their word on it..

I did however use the resulting "guilt trip" that the salesman and manager
carried, to get them to twice attempt repairs on a loose headliner edge in
the car.  When both repairs quickly failed, I finally got them to order and
install a complete new headliner.  They did use the argument that that
problem wasn't related to the "hidden" theft, but couldn't provide proof of
that opinion.  I think that they knew that for at least the first couple of
years, that if we met in court they were likely to come out the losers.
Although I really never quite got over not having the right radio in the
car, it did turn out to be a pretty good ride.

Tom Stoner
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 11:56:49 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Where does that RTV go?

John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com> wrote:
> My wife and I are just finishing our first 350 Rocket rebuild and were
wondering . . .

*******************************
What?!  You got your wife to help you work on a car?!  On something where
you actually are exposed to oil, grease, and maybe even nasty smells?  Does
she have a sister?  ;-)

Now there's one lucky Oldsmobile owner . . .

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 11:34:52 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: free customized email

Hi everyone,I stumbled onto this and I thought maybe some of you on the
list may want to have a FREE customizes OLDS email address. I picked
  62starfire@usa.net   Here is the address for the free email:::::
                                      http://usa.net
I hope someone can use this Larry Polesnak
 
   6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:20:03 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels

Let me start of with a general statement:  ALL INSURANCE COMPANIES ARE SLIME.

When my previous 72 VC was broadsided by a Taurus running a red light, the
other party's insurance company offered me $500.  After many nasty
phonecalls and a few letters on my "Attorney at Law" letterhead, we finally
settled on $2,000.  

First find out how they valued your car.  In my case they had taken some
polaroids of my wrecked car and gone around to some Olds dealerships and
asked the used car manager how much he thought the car was worth.  I told
the insurance companies that they were idiots for using this method since
the used car manager had not seen a 72 VC for at least 15 years.  I used
ads from Hemmings, you can also try your local auto trader.  Whatever you
do, DO NOT SIMPLY ACCEPT THEIR FIRST OFFER.  They are out to screw you, you
need to adopt the attitude that you are going to screw them back.  If they
offered $3,800, counter with $6,500 (or whatever the high asking prices are
in Hemmings).  If they are still trying to hardball you, it might help to
file a complaint in small claims court.  It is easy to fill out the
paperwork and the filing fee is usually pretty low.  

Let us know how your negotiations progress.

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser


At 06:09 AM 8/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hey, Im new to your Olds list and I have a couple of questions regarding
>body panels on an 85 Olds Cutlass Salon 442. My question is whether
>the entire front clip assembly, front fenders and hood off of an 84
>standard cutlass or off an 85 standard cutlass are interchangeable with
>the 85 442. Ive found a couple of parts cars but I havent made any
>measurements. Does anybody know whether these body panel swaps are
>possible? The reason Im asking is that up until 2 weeks ago I had a
>cherry 85 442 that I wrecked (no fault of my own) and the insurance
>company considers it a 'total'. The guy at Macco said its 'fixable' for 
>XX amount of dollars. And the insurance company doesnt want to give me
>any more than $3800 (thats what they valued my 442 at). I couldnt find a
>1985 OLDS 442 for under $5500 - and theres not many around, so Im
>thinking of holding on to it and changing out the panels myself and have
>a shop do some of the more intensive work. Im going to put the pictures
>of my wrecked car on my internet home page this week (pre and post). But
>you should see the other car - a 92 Honda Accord. Good thing no one was
>seriously injured. Ive got a couple of days to decide what to do with
>the insurance company and the car, any suggestions would be greatly
>appreciated. Thanks
>Pete M (85 OLDs 442 :(  / 71 Malibu Chevelle - in work)
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 09:32:41 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: digest 783 replies

Did we ever resolve wheter roller lifters from a late model 307 would fit
in a 425 block, and if so, what other modifications would be necessary?

TIA 

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser



>[[Tim, go for the 425 build while you still can. BTW, get the flexplate from
>that Toro! You'll need it with that crank, whether you use it or sell it off.
>If you want to make a 455 out of that motor you'll need the .921 lifters,
about
>$100 a set [presume you want new lifters!], a late 400 = 455 crank & rods,
and
>a set of pistons of course. Surely you're aware that the 425 crank is forged,
>whereas 99.9% of all 455 cranks are cast. You be the judge. ]]
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:44:53 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: parts for sale

Yes, I should have said, its a 4 sp shifter

>WHAT KINDA OF HURST SHIFTER IS THIS? I.E. DUAL GATE, 4-SPEED,ETC.
>THANKS

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 13:12:56 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: A to F spindle conversion

Ladies and Gents
	I performed a F-body spindle transplant on my 67' CS ragtop. The problem
I had was that the shocks ripped out as soon as I put the car on a lift. I
had to use
a shock with a longer throw. Has anyone else had this problem? Should the
A-body
shocks have been long enough? Were the new gas shocks I purchased mis-boxed
or mis-applied.

				The General

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 12:21:01 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: Re: Add us to the list too!

just got back on list, been getting '67 blue 4-4-2 ready for trip to
Lansing. first stop miller olds in tinley park, ill. or is it in
matteson,ill? then on to lansing!!!

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue, modified 455), '67 4-4-2 (white, original
un-restored), '67 4-4-2 Convertable, original un-restored

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 14:44:31 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: older digest replies

BTW the 1970 Corvette, and 1969 Chev. called paint code 53 (and 03) 
Daytona Yellow, the 1969 Pont. called it Goldenrod Yellow. They are 
the same as the Olds Sebring Yellow.

I have a Martin Senour paint chart on my Web page at:

http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html

for the GMC paint codes for 1970 that can be used to look up the 
codes.

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

- -----Original Message-----
From:	mike.blankenship@medaphis.com 
[SMTP:mike.blankenship@medaphis.com]
Sent:	Thursday, August 07, 1997 9:49 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: older digest replies

SATURN YELLOW!!!  Yall dont have a Buick. Sebring Yellow. The "--" was 
used
for the special order colors in 70 - Sebring Yellow, Nugget Gold, 
Ralley Red,
and Aegian Aqua.

Mike
66 442
70 W30 - GSX Yellow
71 442 Convt

_______________________________________________________________________  
________


[[ Met a fine Rallye 350 the other night, in Lansing. Curiously, the 
paint code
was "- -"...

     Isn't the "- -" paint code used on all Saturn Yellow cars?  My 
Saturn
     Yellow 70 W-30 also has the "- -" paint code on the body plate.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




- ----- End Included Message -----

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 13:00:03 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels

markops@Traveller.COM wrote:

> Hey, Im new to your Olds list and I have a couple of questions
> regarding
> body panels on an 85 Olds Cutlass Salon 442. My question is whether
> the entire front clip assembly, front fenders and hood off of an 84
> standard cutlass or off an 85 standard cutlass are interchangeable
> with
> the 85 442. Ive found a couple of parts cars but I havent made any
> measurements. Does anybody know whether these body panel swaps are
> possible? The reason Im asking is that up until 2 weeks ago I had a
> cherry 85 442 that I wrecked (no fault of my own) and the insurance
> company considers it a 'total'. The guy at Macco said its 'fixable'
> for
> XX amount of dollars. And the insurance company doesnt want to give me
>
> any more than $3800 (thats what they valued my 442 at). I couldnt find
> a
> 1985 OLDS 442 for under $5500 - and theres not many around, so Im
> thinking of holding on to it and changing out the panels myself and
> have
> a shop do some of the more intensive work.

A kid I work with here is trying to get $4000 out of his '85 442, FWIW.
Needs work, and the front clip has been changed.  Had '87 front end then
switched the nose back to the '85.  It's cracked, but still looks good.

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 14:55:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels

In a message dated 97-08-07 07:54:52 EDT, you write:

<< And the insurance company doesnt want to give me
 any more than $3800 (thats what they valued my 442 at). I couldnt find a
 1985 OLDS 442 for under $5500 >>

1985, OLDSMOBILE, 442, asking $ 3850, 5.0L, Cold A/C, pw, pdl, buckets, 
t-tops, new brakes, recent full service, x-tra clean, real head turner, 
expanding family - need van, asking 3,850. 407-896-8316 - Orlando, FL 
mileage: 130000, (407) 896-8316.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 16:35:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Where does that RTV go?

On Thu, 7 Aug 1997 tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:
> John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com> wrote:
> > My wife and I are just finishing our first 350 Rocket rebuild and were
> wondering . . .
> *******************************
> What?!  You got your wife to help you work on a car?!  On something where
> you actually are exposed to oil, grease, and maybe even nasty smells?  Does
> she have a sister?  ;-)

Hey! That's *my* line!!!!   ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(the single guy)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 12:38:51 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: older digest replies

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> 
> BTW the 1970 Corvette, and 1969 Chev. called paint code 53 (and 03)
> Daytona Yellow, the 1969 Pont. called it Goldenrod Yellow. They are
> the same as the Olds Sebring Yellow.
> 
> I have a Martin Senour paint chart on my Web page at:
> 
> http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html
> 
> for the GMC paint codes for 1970 that can be used to look up the
> codes.

Good information!  What about other years like 1968?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 16:51:34 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Home Dyno Kit

Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
> 
> Anybody using this?  Its a homebrew Dyno program.
> 
> Check it out at   www.charm.net/~mchaney/homedyno/dynokit.htm

The inventor of this kit, Mike Chaney, is a member of the f-body mailing
list and is well respected.  Some of the people on that list that have
tried it compared its results to actual dynojet results and the two were
very close +/- 5hp. 
- -- 

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:52:44 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Speed Alert Speedo Question

> On Wed, 6 Aug 1997, Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> >
> >My buddy Brian is considering the purchase of a speed alert speedo for his
> >'71 SX, the kind where you set a pointer on the speedo to a particular
> >speed and it buzzes when you exceed it. Before he does, he asked me to ask
> >some questions to the parts gurus on here, so Messrs. Chermack, Horton and
> >Witt, among others, may want to respond:
> >
> >1. He checked all his manuals and none show this as offered for '71. The
> >seller swears it is out of a '71, though. Anyone ever see one in that
> >model? The high beam indicator is red like a '70, not blue like in a '71,
> >so he suspects it is actually a '70.

The '71 SPECS book does not list the "Safety Sentinel" as an option for
F-85 models.  Option UB7 - Speedometer Package - includes Safety
Sentinel and Trip Odometer was a $15.80 option for 88s, 98s, Custom
Cruisers and Toronados.

On the back page of the the SPECS book, titled Principal Revisions for
1971 Oldsmobile Models, under the Discontinued Equipment section is
option U15 Safety Sentinel (all models).

All this leads to the conclusion that Safety Sentinel was not offered on
'71 F-85 models.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:02:56 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: rear bumper

Terry Horner wrote:
> 
> I would like to know if the rear bumper for a 1968 Olds delta custom was
> available on any other models or if was specific to that model and year.
> I"m looking for one re chromed  but I'm not sure if it's only that model
> for that bumper. please reply when you get the chance

The bumper from your Delta Custom should interchange with the bumper
from a Delmont 88 (almost said Dynamic!) and a regular Delta 88.  Ninety
Eight bumpers are different.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:03:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Need assistance identifying '76 442

Hi folks,

My wife and I are looking at a 1976 442(?). The car is burgundy in color with
white stripes along the bottom of the car and over the wheel wells.  It has a
455 and auto on the floor,Tilt/Cruise, AC, AM/FM and that's about it.  I'm
unsure how to tell if this is really a 442.  

I do have the VIN its 3G37T6R162496.  Can anybody decode this for me and tell
me if it really is a 442.

The dealership is asking $5995 for the car.  I think that's too high since I
can tell that the car has been recently painted and I can still see daylight
thru the trunk via the wheel wells.  They were closing when we got there and
we didn't get a chance to drive the car yet.  We are going to try again
tommorrow.  So I would like to have any info I can get before I go back.

Any h*lp I can get will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks much!
Cecil
1991 W-41

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:03:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: UPS

YA, MY DAD IS WAITING FOR HIS CARPET AND TRUMPETS FROM FUSIC, HE COULD DO
WITH OUT THE CARPET BUT NEEDS THE TRUMPETS SO HE CAN GET A NEW EXSAUST BENT.
I WISH THEY WOULD SETTLE THE DARN THING.

BRENT
1967 CUTLASS CONVERTIBLE

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:05:04 -0400
From: taxlady@sbccom.com (Sieglinde Kuzava)
Subject: Re: tire size question

Do you mean widest, or tallest?  On my 78 Cutlass I run summer tread front
215/75/14, rear 245/60/14 on 14x6 and 14x8 rims respectively.

- ----------
> From: deirdre. reilly <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: tire size question
> Date: Wednesday, August 06, 1997 9:15 PM
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> The other day I was getting some new tires for the '83 Ciera I'm buying
(still
> waiting for my friend's dad to get back from vacation to sign over the
title)
> and while I was at the tire place I figured I'd ask for prices on
performance
> tires for my '85 Cutlass. The counterperson said that she needed a tire
size
> before she could quote a price for me.  My question is what is the
BIGGEST size
> that can fit on my Cutlass with the stock suspension? no raising the body
> higher. (I have to UNlower it to begin with)
> 
> I'm not even sure what I have on there now, maybe 205/80's???  So if some
one
> could offer some sizes just so I have an idea of where to start.  Thanks
a lot.
> 
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Ciera ( still waiting :(

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:09:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: WIONKING@aol.com
Subject: Replated bumpers (Cutlass)

  I would like to go with the rear bumper only.  The rear bumper on the car
is in really bad shape, and I already tried to get it replated.  Therefore, I
will have to pay for the shipping.  You let me know if you would like to do,
a cashiers check, C.O.D, or whatever works best.  Please E-mail me with more
info.
                                              Thank You,   Kevin

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 20:00:35 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Demmer Engineering Paperwork FOUND!

Information found for 69 H/O!

Hi all.  ANYONE owning a 69 H/O (or HAD ONE, Mike Blankenship) can check
with Kurt Karch, the 69 H/O advisor for the H/OCA.  He apparently ran
across a bunch of old documentation from Demmer Engineering (contractor
for Hurst) that lists delivery and shipping receipts for each car, with
the VIN's.  I don't know if he has ALL of them, but he did send me mine. 

Mine was delivered to Demmer's on 4/1, out the door to Bob Moore
Oldsmobile in Witchita, KS on 4/2.  It had an Hurst Performance Research
Co. completion receipt # of 43.  Could this mean mine was the 43rd H/O
in 69??? 

Current H/OCA members will probably automatically get a copy in the mail
from him if your car is listed.  If you don't know how to get hold of
Kurt, e-mail me privately and I'll tell you.  Be forewarned, if you
don't have the VIN, he won't know which is which.  The cars are only
listed by VIN.

Sorry, but I was excited to receive this news and had to share it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: WIONKING@aol.com
Subject: Intake

I am kind of having some problems with getting the vehicle finished. It may
be a while before I get the car going.  If you can wait for a while I will
let you, but otherwise it may be a couple of months before I get it off. 
                                                           Sorry, Kevin

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 17:24:47 -0700
From: "Craig J. Smith" <cjs@semplecpa.com>
Subject: Engine paint code

Does anyone know the engine paint code for a '68 400 (bronze) or know
where this info can be found.

Thanks

Craig Smith

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)

Hi All,
        It's hard to believe I am going to put the color on my 70 442 this
saturday. This is a frame off restoration that I started over 2 years ago but
I see the light at the end of the tunnel. I just got back from the local
paint shop with 5 quarts of code 55 Galleon Gold base coat, 2 gallons of
 1170 reactive reducer, 1 gallon of del-glo urathane clear,1 gallon of dau 2
urathane hardener and a gallon of 870 reducer. Anyone who says materials are
cheap is wrong the above stuff was $470. I am glad it will be painted before
Lansing so I can relax. I will spend the upcoming winter assembling the car
which is the fun stuff.   Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:49:08 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Intake

WIONKING@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am kind of having some problems with getting the vehicle finished. It may
> be a while before I get the car going.  If you can wait for a while I will
> let you, but otherwise it may be a couple of months before I get it off.
>                                                            Sorry, Kevin


No problem, I can wait. Did you get the message with my address? If not,
you can ask for it when you are ready to ship the intake. 

Thanks, 

JR

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:53:10 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Need assistance identifying '76 442

Hi, Cecil,

3=Olds
G=Cutlass S
37=2 door hardtop coupe
T=455, 4barrel
6=1976
R=Arlington, TX assembly plant
62496= production number

Hope this helps!

>Hi folks,
>
>My wife and I are looking at a 1976 442(?). The car is burgundy in color with
>white stripes along the bottom of the car and over the wheel wells.  It has a
>455 and auto on the floor,Tilt/Cruise, AC, AM/FM and that's about it.  I'm
>unsure how to tell if this is really a 442.  
>
>I do have the VIN its 3G37T6R162496.  Can anybody decode this for me and tell
>me if it really is a 442.
>
>The dealership is asking $5995 for the car.  I think that's too high since I
>can tell that the car has been recently painted and I can still see daylight
>thru the trunk via the wheel wells.  They were closing when we got there and
>we didn't get a chance to drive the car yet.  We are going to try again
>tommorrow.  So I would like to have any info I can get before I go back.
>
>Any h*lp I can get will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks much!
>Cecil
>1991 W-41
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 20:55:31 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Need assistance identifying '76 442

Hi, again, Cecil,

The 442 was only an option in 1976, and you can't tell by the VIN....IMHO, 
$5995 is way too much......I'd think more along the lines of $2500-3000.  
Try offering that......the worst they can do is say no!  Good luck,

>Hi folks,
>
>My wife and I are looking at a 1976 442(?). The car is burgundy in color with
>white stripes along the bottom of the car and over the wheel wells.  It has a
>455 and auto on the floor,Tilt/Cruise, AC, AM/FM and that's about it.  I'm
>unsure how to tell if this is really a 442.  
>
>I do have the VIN its 3G37T6R162496.  Can anybody decode this for me and tell
>me if it really is a 442.
>
>The dealership is asking $5995 for the car.  I think that's too high since I
>can tell that the car has been recently painted and I can still see daylight
>thru the trunk via the wheel wells.  They were closing when we got there and
>we didn't get a chance to drive the car yet.  We are going to try again
>tommorrow.  So I would like to have any info I can get before I go back.
>
>Any h*lp I can get will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks much!
>Cecil
>1991 W-41
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 19:58:02 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Intake

oops sorry, I meant to send that privately....

JR

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 18:09:13 -0700
From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Re: UPS

- ----------
> From: Panman638@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: UPS
> Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 4:31 AM
> 
>  How bad has the UPS stike you guy? It  is stopping me in my tracks! No
> engine paint and no wheel housing!  At least I can build my shed and get
my
> wife off my back.

I work in an auto parts store, and its hitting us pretty hard.  Parts that
are supposed to be in overnight are now getting in 2 or 3 days late.  It's
really bad, and now it's even harder for us to ship parts out because the
other shipping firms are overworked....

My $.02

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:27:10 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: RED

Well, the car has been stripped and is ready to go into the paint
booth.  I would like to paint it red, but which red to paint it?  I
would like to paint it the stock color red, but the paint shop claims it
is like a red-blue, and it is really dark red.  They would like to see a
brighter, newer red.
	What color red have you guys painted your cars?  I will have the black
W-30 stripes too.
Thanks
Brad
70 442

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 18:28:19 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: 442

I have a 70 442, and I need to know exactally where the 442 emblems go
on the rear decklid (trunk).
thanks
Brad

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Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 22:35:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: RED

On Thu, 7 Aug 1997, Brad Bowles wrote:
> Well, the car has been stripped and is ready to go into the paint
> booth.  I would like to paint it red, but which red to paint it?  I
> would like to paint it the stock color red, but the paint shop claims it
> is like a red-blue, and it is really dark red.  They would like to see a
> brighter, newer red.
> 	What color red have you guys painted your cars?  I will have the black
> W-30 stripes too.

The red '70 4-4-2s I've seen have been a very attractive shade. I don't 
know if it's the same as the red on my '68, but that is another very 
striking color. Olds called it Scarlet, Ch*vy called it Matador Red, but 
it is really RED!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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