
oldsmobile-digest           Tuesday, 1 July 1997        Volume 01 : Number 739

GM catalogues was OEM parts
Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...
Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard
WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 
Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...
Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...
Cres-lite
Re: Overheating problem
Re: Is this dealer still open
Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...
Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Re:  Getting Off
No heater (was Re. HEI problems)
air cleaner for 73 350 rocket
Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)
Re: Overheating problem
Re: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...
Toro brakes
Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...
Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Please help me get off this list
[none]
Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Re: No heater (was Re. HEI problems)
Re: Please help me get off this list
H*lp!
Re: Junk yard fraud (was Re: Finding new oem parts)
RE: WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 
Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)
Re: Olds in the new issue of MCR
Re: GM catalogues was OEM parts
Re: Please help me get off this list
Re: air cleaner for 73 350 rocket
Vendor rating.
Daily update
ADMIN: Patience Please
Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?
Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)
Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)
Re: Junk yard fraud (was Re: Finding new oem parts)
Big 69 Cutlass problems
Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
Olds in new issue of Car Craft
Re: Please help me get off this list
Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard
Re: Lansing where are you?
Re: ADMIN: Patience Please
3.4L DOHC V-6??
Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)
Pinion Torque Spec
Re: Pinion Torque Spec
Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)
Re: H*lp!
who oldsmobile
Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:36:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: GM catalogues was OEM parts

In a message dated 97-06-29 23:14:25 EDT, you write:

> It's for newer parts so
>  don't expect to find any W30 crate engines.
>  www.partsvoice.com
>  Daren

Yeah, no kidding. I just got the GM performance parts catalogue. Some cool
Olds logo guages but as far as the rest I may as well use it to wrap fish.
Late model owners might find it interesting. Has anyone gotten the GM
restoration parts catalogue? How is that?

  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  (witticism)
  

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From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:45:19 -0700
Subject: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

Looked over a 2 door 87 Cutlass Supreme RWD today.I like to know what are
pluses and minuses about this car.
It is a basic car priced at $4000 CDN.(2800 US). Seems to be a lot more
interest in 80-88 compared to 73 to 79.

I know Greg B saw a lot of bad rear frames on these. Where do I look? Lots
of surface rust on rear section but it never scared me on my Delta or 1976
cutlasses. 

+buckets console
+ss wheels complete
+original paint, no accidents (very straight)
+brake job 1 year ago
+122000 km (75,000 miles)
+all original except radio
+clean engine dep, trunk
+new rad, alt
+meets Vancouver air emissions, good till may/98, just tuned, 
+clean trunk
+kept service records
+no vinyl roof
+owner for 9 years, wifes car but husband obviously made sure it was
maintained
+I love the front ends.

?air conditioning
?corporate V6???????????????I know nothing about these
?reasonable exhaust
?small by my standards
?fuel economy
?would have to install hitch
?not fuel injected yet

- -non factory radio
- -silver(faded,oxidized to grey, my most unfavorite colour)
- -chip in windshield
- -carpet worn on driver side
- -tires 40%



My daily driver 83 Delta 88 has a strong 307, only 142000km but it is
looking rough. Needs paint (major surface rust hidden by chocolate brown
colour), brakes, cat coverter, tires.Noticed rust along bottom of door
under the chome trim now.Numerous small problems like burned dash lights,
power seat, cruise surging, broken door hinge. It is now best suited to a
life as a winter beater in the BC interior.


Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC  

1976 Cutlass S	One Owner
1976 Cutlass S 	2nd Owner
1983 Delta 88 	One owner

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From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 19:49:36 -0700
Subject: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

Looked over a 2 door 87 Cutlass Supreme RWD today.I like to know what are
pluses and minuses about this car.
It is a basic car priced at $4000 CDN.(2800 US). Seems to be a lot more
interest in 80-88 compared to 73 to 79.

I know Greg B saw a lot of bad rear frames on these. Where do I look? Lots
of surface rust on rear section but it never scared me on my Delta or 1976
cutlasses. 

+buckets console
+ss wheels complete
+original paint, no accidents (very straight)
+brake job 1 year ago
+122000 km (75,000 miles)
+all original except radio
+clean engine dep, trunk
+new rad, alt
+meets Vancouver air emissions, good till may/98, just tuned, 
+clean trunk
+kept service records
+no vinyl roof
+owner for 9 years, wifes car but husband obviously made sure it was
maintained
+I love the front ends.

?air conditioning
?corporate V6???????????????I know nothing about these
?reasonable exhaust
?small by my standards
?fuel economy
?would have to install hitch
?not fuel injected yet

- -non factory radio
- -silver(faded,oxidized to grey, my most unfavorite colour)
- -chip in windshield
- -carpet worn on driver side
- -tires 40%
- -5 year old battery


My daily driver 83 Delta 88 has a strong 307, only 142000km but it is
looking rough. Needs paint (major surface rust hidden by chocolate brown
colour), brakes, cat coverter, tires.Noticed rust along bottom of door
under the chome trim now.Numerous small problems like burned dash lights,
power seat, cruise surging, broken door hinge. It is now best suited to a
life as a winter beater in the BC interior.


Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC  

1976 Cutlass S	One Owner
1976 Cutlass S 	2nd Owner
1983 Delta 88 	One owner

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:35:30 -0500
Subject: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...

Brian Lorway wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what silver paint is best to use for painting plastic
> parts like the grilles, headlight housings and tail lights? Any help would
> be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Brian
> 
> 1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
> 1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
> OCA # 028157

I've used the spray chrome paint on tail light and turn signal
reflectors.

Danny

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:49:27 -0400
Subject: Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard

Mike Stewart wrote:
> 
> Recently purchased 72' 442 from my brother in Nevada.  On the center of the
> dashboard is a indicator or sensor.  Have read several Oldsmobile publications
> and have not determined what this may be.  Hopefully not a hack job on the dash.
> 
> Does anybody have any idea what this item may be?

Mike,

Gotta agree with Greg and Doug's replies on this one.  It is the "Fasten
Seat Belt" warning light that went along with that God-awful buzzer.  
It is right on the top center of the dash, looks sorta like a mini
underdash 8-track case turned upside down.  Had one in my 72 442 3-speed
with Rally Pac I used to own years ago.  I had to take the bulb out. 
Got on my nerves.

Mike Rothe

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From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:06:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

> 
> >This is the updated list, please add to it if you haven't already!
> > 
> > NAME                     HOTEL             DATES      CAR
> > ====                     =====             =====      ===
> > ===
> > Beaulieu, Greg         Hampton Inn        8/18-23    none
> > Hirtle, Don            Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Penny, Steve           Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Smith, Brian           Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Stewart, Sandy         Hampton            8/18-23    none
> > Chermack, Jim          Mariott East       8/18-25    70 SX W-32 
> > Harkema, Doug          Holt, MI             all      none yet
> > Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos   8/20-22    70 442 black
> > Hendley, Daren         Ramada             8/20-24    none
> > McFarlane, Cliff       Holiday West       8/19-23    63 Starfire
> > Westlake, Steve        Holiday West       8/19-23    63 - 98
> > Glista, Richard        Holiday West       8/19-23    68 - 442
> > Wilson, Jim            none               8/19-23    64 Stafire
> > Nicholson, Brad        Best Western       8/19-24    87 442(Me)
> > (Donna & Eli)          Midway             8/19-24    94LSS(wife&kid)
> > Matt Cremean           Cremean Inn        8/21       73 Supreme
> > Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn          8/20-24    75 Delta88 Conv
> > Chris Smetana          Best Western Inn   8/20-24    possibly a 72 S
> > Dave Wyatt             Best Western Inn   8/20-24    Yellow '70 442
> > Dave Soball            Motel 6 Central    8/20-24    Red/White'55 98

Hi guys, just thought I'd clean the list up a little, it's growing
quickly! 

Cliff Mcfarlane
62 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
63 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:13:02 -0400
Subject: Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard

At 08:08 PM 6/30/97 EDT, you wrote:
>
>Recently purchased 72' 442 from my brother in Nevada.  On the center of the
>dashboard is a indicator or sensor.  Have read several Oldsmobile publications
>and have not determined what this may be.  Hopefully not a hack job on the
dash.
>
>
>Does anybody have any idea what this item may be?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mike
>N.P., FL
>

Mike

        Greg and the others are correct. It is a seatbelt warning light for
cars originally equipped with the Rallye Pac. That is a great way of telling
that the car originally had that option. My 72 442 Coupe has the same thing
on the dash and it drove me crazy for a month trying to figure out what the
holes in the mint dash pad were and whether some idiot had drilled holes in
it. Mine was missing and I found one in a car in a junkyard. Cost me $5.00.
Still haven't found a Rallye Pac to place back in the dash though. It's in
the 72 owners manual. Duh! That's where I finally found out what That hole
was for. 

Jim Chermack
OCA# 24275
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight (TOTALLED LAST WEDNESDAY!)
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500
67 Cutlass Supreme (hopefully tomorrow)

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:14:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 

For those of you who (almost?) know me, the answer is no.

Let me explain.

About an hour ago I spoke to an OCA member (I guess) named Joel. (God knows
how he got my number, I do not know anyone who really wants it!) Anyway
apparently he lives a little more than a mile away from me. The important
part is that he is looking to buy a 1965 Dynamic 88. Had the creative juices
been flowing, I would have tried to convince him to get a model from a year
in which the 39 degree cam angle is standard, or at least make sure he knew
what he might be getting into.

I will call him tomorrow and make sure he is up on his Oldsmobilia.

At any rate I gave him information on how to send requests to this list. Also
how to subscribe (yes I mentioned volume of Email, pic policy, digests &
unsubscribing). We should be hearing from him soon.

My point (yes folks, here it is) is that if you have a line on a '65 Dynamic,
contact him or myself. Actually, if anyone has a lead on a good body for one,
I can find the appropriate motor (if he is not a stickler) from one of my
ersatz parts cars.

A shame he did not call me a month ago.......


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Early Gearhead gets the Ride?

(sorry)
  

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:15:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...

At 09:45 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what silver paint is best to use for painting plastic
>parts like the grilles, headlight housings and tail lights? Any help would
>be appreciated.
>
>Regards,
>Brian
>
>1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
>1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
>OCA # 028157
>
Brian
        Doug K. was right. Krylon Dull Aluminum is an exact match to the
factory paint. Holds up very well. Just don't put heavy coats on the grilles.

Jim Chermack

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:14:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997 18:35:30 -0500 theogns <theogns@avana.net> writes:
>Brian Lorway wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know what silver paint is best to use for painting 
>plastic
>> parts like the grilles, headlight housings and tail lights? Any help 
>would
>> be appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Brian
>> 
>> 1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
>> 1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
>> OCA # 028157
>
>I've used the spray chrome paint on tail light and turn signal
>reflectors.
>
>Danny
>
I've also used the spray"chrome" paint on my plastic parts and it does
come out really nice, not too shiny, either.
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:08:56 -0400
Subject: Cres-lite

I'm on the trail again......still searching....

Cres-lite.  Supposedly added to the 69 Hurst/Olds paint for the stripes
to give the sparkly effect.  Surely there must be someone out there that
knows about this material.  I need to repaint my H/O, but I'm trying to
get my homework done on the "silly" graphic stripes.  I've heard all
kinds of advice, but it's not that anyone is totally wrong, it's just
that I've checked a bunch of leads, and come up short.  I believe I may
be able to get the material, but there's a couple of things that I'm not
sure about.  What grain size and color shade, and how much to add per
volume of paint. If anyone has a good paint formula for this, I'll try
anything....still searching.....

I've checked out Ditzler's 22833...too brown.  I haven't tried R-M's
formula yet, and I just got a BASF formula.  The guy at A Little
Different is just that.  His attitude is so "nice" when you ask him
technical questions, everything is answered with "I've only been doing
this for 22 years...."  and his paint doesn't have the Cres-lite.  He
says he knows it's supposed to be in there, but his doesn't have it. 
Therefore, his CAN'T be the correct paint, now could it...(sorry, just
venting)

Does anybody know, or even care???

Mike Rothe

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:19:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Overheating problem

At 08:50 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>My 1969 Cutlass Oldsmobile on hot and moderate days, between 70 and 100
>degrees, always tends to reach temperatures between 210 and 235 degrees.  I
>have replaced the radiator, water pump, heater core, and replaced the fan
>clutch with a flex fan.  Also, I have checked the timing and air fuel
>mixture.  No matter what I do the car still hits these temperatures.  The car
>only hits these temperatures when I am in stop and go traffic for awhile and
>then goes down a little bit when I start moving again.  The temperature once
>it has reached about 230 degrees never cools back down under 200 degrees.  If
>anyone can give me any type of clue as to why the car gets this hot I would
>be very happy.  I forgot to mention that I installed a 3 row radiator.
>
        Replace the themostat with a 160 degree one. Then throw away the
flex fan and replace it with a temperature controlled fan clutch as someone
else suggested. If you have a car with A/C, make sure you have the fan
shround installed. It all makes a huge difference.

Jim Chermack

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:33:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Is this dealer still open

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> 
> At 06:01 PM 6/30/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Hi everyone thanks for reading this. I have a 62 STARFIRE, I have the
> >original 1962 OLDSMOBILE owner protection plan. It shows the original
> >owner and the dealer. I was just wondering if the dealer was still open
> >and if by chance anyone would know the original owner so I could tell
> >them there 62 STARFIRE is as pretty as new and I would send them some
> >pictures.Here are the addresses.......
> >DEALER....Pioneer Olds.Co.          OWNER...Dorothy J. Panella
> >          4610 Lankershim Blvd.             5910 Auckland
> >          No.Hollywood,Calif.               No.Hollywood,Calif.
> >Saleman..R.H.Stewart..5/25/62
> >another name on back of Protection Plan ........Brewer
> >                       Thank You Larry Polesnak
> >         6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E
> 
> If you wish to know if this dealer is still in business, why not just call
> information for North Hollywood and ask for a phone number?  If you get
> one, they're still in business.
> 
> Dan
> 
> ************************************************
> Dan Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> ************************************************
You can also check for a phone number etc. on the internet with
whowhere, 411 or one of the other search engines available.

Don Sowers

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From: STemple909@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:25:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...

Testors paint pens are great for at least taillights. I did mine about 3
months ago and the still look good even thoug I had a terrible oil leak for
awhile and had to clean them at leat twice a week.

Shawn L Temple

72 Cutlass S

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:37:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

> Looked over a 2 door 87 Cutlass Supreme RWD today.I like to know what are
> pluses and minuses about this car.
> It is a basic car priced at $4000 CDN.(2800 US).

Maybe you should buy it in the States! :)  Sorry, gang, couldn't resist.  
Seriously, farther down it said "corporate V6"; better known as Buick V6... I 
think I'd stay away from it... the 307 Olds wasn't the best Rocket engine ever 
built, but at least it's Olds designed and built... I've seen a lotta Busixes 
that were rattly, and I suspect they have a tendance to blow head gaskets when 
they get up there... neighbor has had two that have done so...  good luck!

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 23:55:43 -0700
Subject: Re:  Getting Off

Douglas Kitchener wrote:
> 
> uns*bscr*be oldsmobile doesn't work!

It shoud if sent to majordomo and not the list AND... 
you're using the same address you used to s*bscr*be.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Date: 30 Jun 1997 20:05:04 PST
Subject: No heater (was Re. HEI problems)

Robert, I'll look at that tommorrow.  I'm too tired today, but thank god
that this happened at this time of year :)

to all: anybody know if the camaro 16 inch rims would fit with the right
backspacing on my '78 Delta 88?  It has the right bolt pattern (CA Car,
4.75"x5"). Just curious, that's all.

Mike Jones
'78 Olds 88

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From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:47:03
Subject: air cleaner for 73 350 rocket

some dumbass working on my Cutlass tried to close the hood on my beautiful
original air cleaner, bent up the snorkel really bad, anyone have a source
to get a nice one?

Chris Matthes
73 Cutlass

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:05:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)

At 06:41 PM 6/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> Chris I don't think $300 is a bad price for the car for parts.  Seeing
>> how it is an S and not a performance model it would not be worth fixing
>> up.  
>>
>> Of course the northern folks might think that is one heck of a buy.
>
>Hehehe... around here that car would be advertised as "one owner, all 
>original, good condition for the year, $3000". Well, maybe I'm a little 
>cynical. But for example, there is a '72 Cutlass convertible on one of 
>the lots here right now. I know the car. It sat in a yard for many years 
>exposed to the elements. The interior is shot, the floors are shot, the 
>frame is shot. In fact, you can see the ground through the rear window! 
>They put a new top on it, threw some paint at it, and are pricing it at 
>$3K. I have no idea how it runs, or even if it runs. It would be 
>questionable even as a parts car. But in the rust belt you work with what 
>you have...  

A week ago I saw a rather rough '71 CS convertible in a used dealer's lot,
but was surprised that it didn't have the price in the window like all the
other cars around it. As I was checking it out, a guy from the shop walked
by and mentioned that, sorry, it was already sold. Hmmm, I asked, how much?
$3500! Well, this thing was the rough side of rough, with a torn top, bad
chrome, bad paint with typical NE rust, rough-looking Cragar S/S rims, dual
exhaust with obvious rust holes, interior all there but in need of work,
etc. It wasn't even a good 40-foot car. Still, they had already gotten $3500
from some guy who was planning on restoring it. Now I suppose an excellent
CS convertible can pull in $10,000-$12,000, but that car had a *long* way to go.

Sometimes I get the impression that this hobby is getting too rich for my
blood! That's why I like to hear of the $300 72's that people might fix up
to drive daily; looks like my SX will be a regular driver for quite some
time, and I'm looking forward to it!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:05:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Overheating problem

At 10:21 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> My 1969 Cutlass Oldsmobile on hot and moderate days, between 70 and 100
>> degrees, always tends to reach temperatures between 210 and 235 degrees.  I
>> have replaced the radiator, water pump, heater core, and replaced the fan
>> clutch with a flex fan.  Also, I have checked the timing and air fuel
>> mixture.  No matter what I do the car still hits these temperatures.  The car
>> only hits these temperatures when I am in stop and go traffic for awhile and
[snip]
>> 
>Throw the flex fan away, and get a _new_ fan clutch that's temp controlled,
not 
>speed controlled.

Ditto. The fact that you're overheating at idle means that you've got plenty
of cooling capacity, but you're not flowing enough air. Make sure the
radiator fins are not obstructed, or if you have an A/C unit, that the
condensor is not clogged up with dirt and dust. You do have the stock fan
shroud on there, right? Get at least a 5-blade fan with a new thermostatic
clutch on there; a flex fan is not an efficient substitute, and is simply
not blowing enough air. Also check that the air being blown into the engine
compartment is able to exit the engine compartment in some manner.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:08:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...

> Testors paint pens are great for at least taillights. I did mine about 3
> months ago and the still look good even thoug I had a terrible oil leak for
> awhile and had to clean them at leat twice a week.
> 
> Shawn L Temple
> 
> 72 Cutlass S
> 
Forgot about that; also good on silver accents on dashboards, etc, like on a 
lotta Cutlasses/442s.  Available in art/hobby stores.

Doug K.

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:10:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Toro brakes

Well, hoses, yeah , that might be it. That valve spent the day in the carb
cleaner solution, now passes air fine.. but prolly did before, I forgot to
check. Anyhow, a lot of stuff has been replaced already, looks very new- brake
drums, brake shoes, many lines. However, the rubber lines might be iffy. Any
question, out they go. This Flintstones' method of stopping has got to, er,
stop!

68 LH Mirrors are not adaptable to the RH side. Good news is, they are both
available new. $75 or so. Yes, of course, I have a presentable used one, Greg?
I think so anyhow. Brought a nice RH one back from AZ, can't find it now... in
the boxes in the garage I believe.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:11:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Silver paint for grilles etc...

At 11:25 PM 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Testors paint pens are great for at least taillights. I did mine about 3
>months ago and the still look good even thoug I had a terrible oil leak for
>awhile and had to clean them at leat twice a week.

Man, that _must_ be a bad oil leak to be dripping onto the taillights; are
you sure you don't have the "007"-spec car?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

At 07:49 PM 6/30/97 -0700, Marvin Friesen wrote:
>Looked over a 2 door 87 Cutlass Supreme RWD today.I like to know what are
>pluses and minuses about this car.
>It is a basic car priced at $4000 CDN.(2800 US). Seems to be a lot more
>interest in 80-88 compared to 73 to 79.
>
>I know Greg B saw a lot of bad rear frames on these. Where do I look? Lots
>of surface rust on rear section but it never scared me on my Delta or 1976
>cutlasses. 

Check that rear frame very well. They can be patched easily, knock on it
hard to see if it has been repaired. Right now I have an 85 and an 83
Cutlass in my yard both with pretty bad rear frame rot. Every Cutlass that I
have come across here has the beginnings or advanced stages of rear frame rot. 

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From: HUEY442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:22:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Please help me get off this list

Can someone tell me how to stop all of this E MAIL?, Please!!!

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From: STVF11D@prodigy.com (MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES)
Date: Tue,  1 Jul 1997 00:25:58, -0500
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile list

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:25:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

At 11:37 PM 6/30/97 -0400, Douglas Kitchener wrote:
>> Looked over a 2 door 87 Cutlass Supreme RWD today.I like to know what are
>> pluses and minuses about this car.
>> It is a basic car priced at $4000 CDN.(2800 US).
>
>Maybe you should buy it in the States! :)  Sorry, gang, couldn't resist.  
>Seriously, farther down it said "corporate V6"; better known as Buick V6... I 
>think I'd stay away from it... the 307 Olds wasn't the best Rocket engine ever 
>built, but at least it's Olds designed and built... I've seen a lotta Busixes 
>that were rattly, and I suspect they have a tendance to blow head gaskets when 
>they get up there... neighbor has had two that have done so...  good luck!

Buick V6 is a good engine and I have never heard complaints around here
about it blowing head gaskets except for the Grand National guys that run
tons of boost. In my opinion the Turbo Buick V6 of 86-87 vintage has to be
one of the best engines ever made. The corporate 3800 that powers alot of
newer Olds' today is of a Buick design. 

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:28:59 -0400
Subject: Re: No heater (was Re. HEI problems)

At 08:05 PM 6/30/97 PST, you wrote:
>to all: anybody know if the camaro 16 inch rims would fit with the right
>backspacing on my '78 Delta 88?  It has the right bolt pattern (CA Car,
>4.75"x5"). Just curious, that's all.

I've seen them mounted on various Caprices of that vintage (which shared the
same chassis as your 88), so they should mount. I believe that the offset
differed front to rear on those Camaros, so I don't know if they were using
both offsets, or one offset wheel all around.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:35:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Please help me get off this list

> Can someone tell me how to stop all of this E MAIL?, Please!!!
> 
Apparently something has gone haywire!  I can't stop mine either... send a 
message to 

maj*rdomo@chebucto.ns.ca

with no subject, and in the body of the message, type only

uns*bscribe oldsmobile

Can't put the letters in here or it'll bounce, but get the idea?  An "o" goes 
where the first * is, and a "u" for the second one.  I've been trying this since 
Saturday and I get a "succeeded" message, but am still getting the email; hope 
you have better luck than I've had... forwarding this to a guy that Greg told me 
about, maybe he can save us!

Doug K

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 00:48:28 -0400
Subject: H*lp!

H*lp me!  I signed on to a majordomo-type email list (oldsmobile) at 
chebucto.ns.ca

I can't get off it!  Dunno whether it's on their end or ours, but have sent an 
unsubscribe message, with both my addresses

dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

and

dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org

and received a "succeeded" message.

Have sent a "who oldsmobile" message and neither of my addresses is on the list, 
yet I continue to receive the email from the list.  I'm desperate, can anyone 
help?  Does anyone understand what I'm saying?  This thing has generated about 
50 emails this evening.  The messages I'm getting are not leftovers that were in 
the queue before I sent the unsubscribe messages.  I've been trying to get off 
this list since last Friday!  Please believe me!  I'm not making this up, or 
imagining it!  Something is outta control somewhere!

Doug

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 00:02:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Junk yard fraud (was Re: Finding new oem parts)

I have hit most of the junk yards in
> my
> area and haven't see a one.    I called up this
> place and they state that they hadn't seen a 4-4-2 in a long time their.

Welp, I was at one here in Nebraska about 100 miles from Omaha and I saw
at LEAST 3 or 4. ONE really caught my eye,  it's a 68-9 442 convertible
and not in too bad of shape.  May be my next project in a few years.  I
took pictures of all the ones I saw and will be adding them to my web
site when I get them developed and have a chance to throw my olds page
together.  From what I've from all my fellow junk yard crawlers here,
it's a good idea to carry a camera with you. Beats a pen and paper.   I
saw two 68-69 Toro's a few weeks back in a field just outside of Kearny
NE and they were in GREAT shape.  Just sitting there like paper weights,
thats why I carry a camera now.  WHen I get back up there I'll get
photos and more info on them.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 22:10:57 +0100
Subject: RE: WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 

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I am also interested in Dynamic 88's (not necessarily '65)
Please elaborate on the 39 degree cam angle that you mentioned..  
was it standard on later years? please explain!    Thanks

- --------------------------------------------
Greg Yonge               OCA #029415		        
1992 Olds Achieva SC (H.O. Quad4) 
GSYONGE@GENESISNETWORK.NET
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- -----Original Message-----
From:	KarlAunan@aol.com [SMTP:KarlAunan@aol.com]
Sent:	Tuesday, July 01, 1997 4:15 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	WTB 1965 Dynamic 88 

For those of you who (almost?) know me, the answer is no.

Let me explain.

About an hour ago I spoke to an OCA member (I guess) named Joel. (God knows
how he got my number, I do not know anyone who really wants it!) Anyway
apparently he lives a little more than a mile away from me. The important
part is that he is looking to buy a 1965 Dynamic 88. Had the creative juices
been flowing, I would have tried to convince him to get a model from a year
in which the 39 degree cam angle is standard, or at least make sure he knew
what he might be getting into.

I will call him tomorrow and make sure he is up on his Oldsmobilia.

At any rate I gave him information on how to send requests to this list. Also
how to subscribe (yes I mentioned volume of Email, pic policy, digests &
unsubscribing). We should be hearing from him soon.

My point (yes folks, here it is) is that if you have a line on a '65 Dynamic,
contact him or myself. Actually, if anyone has a lead on a good body for one,
I can find the appropriate motor (if he is not a stickler) from one of my
ersatz parts cars.

A shame he did not call me a month ago.......


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Early Gearhead gets the Ride?

(sorry)
  


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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 00:14:08 -0500
Subject: Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)

david wyatt wrote:
> 
> Chris I don't think $300 is a bad price for the car for parts.  Seeing
> how it is an S and not a performance model it would not be worth >fixing up.  

I think alot of people are gonna take exception to that.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 01:14:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Olds in the new issue of MCR

In a message dated 97-06-30 23:47:53 EDT, you write:

<< 
 At 09:55 PM 6/30/97 -0400, John Richmond wrote:
 >Check out the new issue of MCR, there is a great article on
 >a 70 W-30.
 >They also listed the 50 fastest muscle cars
 >the 68 Hurst Olds was #36 @ 13.77 in the quarter and
 >the 70 W-30 was #45 @ 13.88 in the quarter.  >>


WHATS "MCR"?

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 00:23:12 -0500
Subject: Re: GM catalogues was OEM parts

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
> Has anyone gotten the GM
> restoration parts catalogue? How is that?

I glanced through it at a local dealership, if you have the Year One
Catalog, you already have it.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 01:31:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Please help me get off this list

In a message dated 97-07-01 01:04:27 EDT, you write:

<< > Can someone tell me how to stop all of this E MAIL?, Please!!!
 > 
 Apparently something has gone haywire!  I can't stop mine either... send a 
 message to 
  >>
HEY GUYS , MAYBE IF YA TYPE IN CAPS AND POP OUT A FEW  MEANINGLESS SEXIST
PHRASES..........

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 01:58:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: air cleaner for 73 350 rocket

Theres a place called Desert Dog that has Olds stuff. Im here by Halls but
they are no longer....SSSSSSOOOORRRYYYYY.... Good Luck

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 02:43:06 -0400
Subject: Vendor rating.

Everyone,

My web page is growing by the day.  Recently, there were discussions on
this list about vendor ratings, who's the best, who sucks, etc., and I
am reserving a spot on my web page for this poll.  All results are
anonymous, unless you absolutely want your name included.

This rating goes for any vendor, or any individual, such as, "I had a
bad experience from so and so, it took him a year after I sent him my
money to get my part"

The rating will be updated regularly, and initially will be rated 1 to
5, with 1 the worst, and 5 the best.  I may even dredge up a form to
fill out....I don't know.  We'll see how it goes.  I'll post that on the
page.  Please be honest in your evaluation.  So many people ask, "Who's
the best when dealing with parts?"  Now there will be a way for them to
make an educated guess.....

Visit the site at http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

I want to include things that you would like to see, but of course, I
want to see also.

I'm off my soap box now,

Mike Rothe

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 02:34:37 -0700
Subject: Daily update

Been driving the Rockit for a couple days now.  Still smokes a bit.  I hope it's 
mostly crap in the combustion chambers, and that it'll burn out eventually...  I know 
that the missing valve stem seals likely are strong contributors as well ;)  I put the 
hitch on tonight.  Ooof.  ~Supposed~ to be a ~simple~ bolt on procedure.  Hah!@$#@  
Would have been, too, except....  The hitch uses the frontmost mounting for the bumper 
shock (it sits inside the frame a ways)  Well, one of these was rusted pretty bad, and 
broke off.  I ended up replacing the entire bumper (shocks and all) with my other 81 
tonight.  ~Naturally~ it broke off, too.  I managed to finish that one with a vise grip, 
and finally got it freed up.  Then went to put it on (which is when the bloodshed really 
started to happen, of course.)  Got it done, finally.  Even used the bumper cover and 
license plate pocket off of the other car (which is primarily why I bought that car in 
the first place!)  They match up almost perfectly, which is better than I could say for 
the original!  Anyway, the hitch is on, but no wiring is done yet.  Since it's now like 
3 AM, I'm putting that off till tomorrow.  I need to tow it to the farm (parents need 
their pickup back) and then I'll tow the empty trailer back.  Should make a decent dry 
run, anyway.  I hope this engine works out.  It sure is snotty, though.  I'm still 
having stoplight troubles (it's hard to keep the tires quiet!) although, I guess that's 
not necessarily a ~bad~ thing ;)

Better go.  Really tired...  Check in later...

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:10:03 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: ADMIN: Patience Please

Those of you who have been attempting to uns*bscribe from this list over
the last few days may be having some difficulty. Chebucto seems to be
having majordomo problems right now causing your requests to apparently be
processed but not resulting in your actual removal from the list. Please
bear with me on this one, we're working on it and I'll handle requests as
soon as I can once the problem is fixed. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 08:17:53 -0700
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Chebucto seems to be having majordomo problems right now...

Snicker...  (That'll teach you to go away and leave me in charge)

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:21:31 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Marvin Friesen wrote:
> I know Greg B saw a lot of bad rear frames on these. Where do I look? Lots
> of surface rust on rear section but it never scared me on my Delta or 1976
> cutlasses. 

No, those cars seemed to be better in resisting this problem. On all of 
the mid-80s G-bodies I've looked at in these parts, the rust is in the 
section just aft of the rear axle kickup. Most of the ones I've looked at 
have it in the area around the rear body mounts. If you look through the 
factory hole in the lower frame rail to where the body mounts to the 
upper rail you can often find that spot rotted away. On a few I looked 
at, I actually was able to break away a section of the lower frame rail 
around the hole with just my hand.

There was apparently a GM frame repair kit available for these at one 
time and I've seen a few cars with it installed. I hear it is no longer 
available but perhaps someone can confirm or deny that fact. 

Many of the ones I've looked at here also have a problem with the 
sheetmetal where the inner rear wheelhouse mates with the trunk floor. 
And door bottoms are notoriously weak on these also. They seemed to try 
and save weight on these by using very light-guage metal everywhere, but 
it doesn't seem to hold up very well.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 08:20:56 -0500
Subject: Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)

Douglas Kitchener wrote:
> 
> Seat belt warning lamp on cars that were equipped with Rally Pack.

Hey! I got one of those! What's a Rally Pack? What's in it?

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:24:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)

That was the gauge package the consusted of the oil, temp and chg in the lsft
one, the speedo in the center, and a tachometer and clock in the right one.

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:47:17 -0500
Subject: Re: Junk yard fraud (was Re: Finding new oem parts)

From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>

>Now I am sure So. California has had 4-4-2's
>in a wrecking yard before so I can't see why I am not finding any.  In
>talking with Ecology Auto Wreckers, they state that all classic (muscle)
>cars go to a place called Memory Lanes (Sun Valley?).  I called up this
>place and they state that they hadn't seen a 4-4-2 in a long time their.

Back a couple of years ago when I was flying into So. California on a
regular basis I used to hit this yard every time I was there.  They
only carried older cars, but all the times I was there I never saw
a 442.  They did have one regular cutlass of the '68 vintage but it
was pretty picked over.  I pulled a couple of parts off it myself.

They did have quite a few chevelles so if your part was common
with those lesser brands, you might find it on those cars.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 07:46:22 -0500
Subject: Big 69 Cutlass problems

I think I may have a big problem. My car started running really rough this
morning.
There was a sort of growling noise when I pressed on the gas, as if maybe
it was low on oil and
the parts were rubbing together.  I stopped at a gas station and checked
the oil (it burns a lot),
which was only about a quart low, so I added one. No change. It ran like
that the rest of
the way to work and would barely pull itself when I'd first take off. It
ran really
rough at idle and tried to die frequently.

The strange part is that after I stopped and added a quart of oil, the
temperature which has
currently been running around 200 in city driving (that's a whole other
problem) dropped to
about 160 where it used to run during the cooler spring weather.

Some of you responded to my earlier question regarding the high temperature
and foamy coolant.
Several responses I received indicated the possibility of a cracked head
(cringe). Would this
morning's activity be another symptom of that??

I know this old engine isn't in tip-top shape and could use rebuilt. It
looks like that may be
coming along sooner than expected!

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From: HUEY442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:01:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

I have been trying to unsubscribe for a number of days, it tells me Im not on
the 
Oldsmobile list? Would TOS spam work?

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:03:13 -0500
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: ADMIN: Patience Please
> Date: Tuesday, July 01, 1997 7:10 AM
> 
> 
> Those of you who have been attempting to uns*bscribe from this list over
> the last few days may be having some difficulty. Chebucto seems to be
> having majordomo problems right now causing your requests to apparently
be
> processed but not resulting in your actual removal from the list. Please
> bear with me on this one, we're working on it and I'll handle requests as
> soon as I can once the problem is fixed. 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
Don't beleive it. To get off you must sell Greg a rust free low mileage
Olds for $ 500 and deliver it to him. When you return home you will find
you are unsubcribed. If this doesnt work you will have to read Olds mail
forever. Or you could praise Fords. This might not get you off but it would
give you some interesting flames to read.  

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:07:39 -0500
Subject: Olds in new issue of Car Craft

I was suprised to see Bob Handren's car in the new issue of
Car Craft.  Is this the result from the write in campaign
early this year? :-)

Also, there was a '76 cutlass with a hood that had identical
scoops to a '70 - 72 W-25.  Does anybody know if this is
manufactured by somebody or did this guy do a custom job?
Hopefully he didnt cut up an original...

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: HUEY442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Please help me get off this list

Would TOS SPAM get Us off this list?

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 97 08:56:42 est
Subject: Re: 72' 442 - Dashboard

     
Recently purchased 72' 442 from my brother in Nevada.  On the center of the 
dashboard is a indicator or sensor.  Have read several Oldsmobile publications 
and have not determined what this may be.  Hopefully not a hack job on the dash.
     
     
Does anybody have any idea what this item may be?
     
Thanks,
     
Mike
N.P., FL
     
     It is the seat belt warning light.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:07:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing where are you?

Hey Cliff!
    I'm too ilit..elliter...illet....dumb to add my itinerary to the list.
Could you do it for me? 
       Ron Forsee- Hampton Inn- 8-20 thru 8-24 - 65 442
                                                   Thanks Man
                                                    Me

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From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 08:34:24 -0500
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Patience Please

> Don't beleive it. To get off you must sell Greg a rust free low mileage
> Olds for $ 500 and deliver it to him. When you return home you will find
> you are unsubcribed. If this doesnt work you will have to read Olds mail
> forever. Or you could praise Fords. This might not get you off but it
would
> give you some interesting flames to read.  

or you could post that Greg is selling his '65 Mustang and switching the
list over to a Ford list.

Daren

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From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:20:38 -0400
Subject: 3.4L DOHC V-6??

Does anyone out there in Olds land have experience with the GM 24 valve,
3.4L V-6?  I need a daily driver(I wouldn't want to expose a classic to
the hazards of the Atlanta area commute) and I've looked at a couple of
Supreme Coupes and Convertibles with this motor.  I loved the
acceleration and exhaust note compared with the wife's 3800 DRB, but I
know that with complexity comes a maintenance penalty.

Any comments?
Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:39:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Rally Pack (was 72' 442 - Dashboard)

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> >
> > Seat belt warning lamp on cars that were equipped with Rally Pack.
> 
> Hey! I got one of those! What's a Rally Pack? What's in it?
> 
Rallye Packs were nothing more than a clock and guage package. For
example, in 1972, on the left guage, instead of idiot lights to tell you
when you lost oil pressure,etc., you had the fuel guage, water temp, oil
pressure guages to tell you what was what.  In that guage panel, two
idiot lights were at the bottom for GEN, and BRAKE respectively.  There
were so many things, there was no room for the "Fasten Seat Belt" light
that normally would be inside the left guage.  On the  right of the
speedo was another guage.  Called a tic-toc-tac.  It was a  small
self-winding (trust me, only so many winds in it) clock nestled inside a
tachometer.  Unique to say the least, but if you are used to looking at
aftermarket tachs, then you'll wonder where the indicator is on this
one.  Sometimes hard to see...

Mike Rothe

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From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:52:55 -0400
Subject: Pinion Torque Spec

Hi All,

I'm replacing the pinion seal in an Olds 12 bolt and I can't find an exact
torque spec for the pinion nut. The '70 service guide says to torque it 3-5
ft/lbs tighter than it was before disassembly. However, I don't have a
previous torque reading, and I don't trust the work of the previous owner.
Is there an exact procedure for torquing this nut? If not, what is the best
way to get in the ball park?

TIA
Ray

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Pinion Torque Spec

At 10:52 AM 7/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm replacing the pinion seal in an Olds 12 bolt and I can't find an exact
>torque spec for the pinion nut. The '70 service guide says to torque it 3-5
>ft/lbs tighter than it was before disassembly. However, I don't have a
>previous torque reading, and I don't trust the work of the previous owner.
>Is there an exact procedure for torquing this nut? If not, what is the best
>way to get in the ball park?

I believe that you want to tighten it to get a certain amount of bearing
"preload", and this is specified by the amount of inch/lbs it takes to turn
the pinion once installed (and this figure should be in your manual). The
actual ft/lb figure that it takes on the nut to get this preload is in the
100-200 ft/lb range, I've heard, since you've got to crush the collapsible
spacer a bit. Definitely impact-wrench work, which is why I've never
attempted this work yet.

Others here who have installed pinions can give you the more definitive answer.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 01 Jul 1997 10:07:54 +0000
Subject: Re: 72 S for sale (maybe)

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:

> > Chris I don't think $300 is a bad price for the car for parts.  Seeing
> > how it is an S and not a performance model it would not be worth >fixing up.
> 
> I think alot of people are gonna take exception to that.

I dunno. I have a 72 S 350 2bbl, and I can blow by just about anything
on the road now. Just ask the guys at the rental car agency I work near.
No 97 they've got has beaten me yet! :)

JR

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From: "Charles R. MacDonald" <cmacd@achilles.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 11:31:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: H*lp!

On Tue, 1 Jul 1997, Douglas Kitchener wrote:

> H*lp me!  I signed on to a majordomo-type email list (oldsmobile) at 
> chebucto.ns.ca
> 
> I can't get off it!  Dunno whether it's on their end or ours, but have sent an 
> unsubscribe message, with both my addresses
> 
> dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us
> 
> and
> 
> dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org
> 
> and received a "succeeded" message.
> 
> Have sent a "who oldsmobile" message and neither of my addresses is on the list, 
> yet I continue to receive the email from the list.  I'm desperate, can anyone 
> help? 

> Does anyone understand what I'm saying?  This thing has generated about 
> 50 emails this evening.  The messages I'm getting are not leftovers that were in 
> the queue before I sent the unsubscribe messages.  

Perhaps you have an account that is forwarding from somewhere....and that 
address is on the list.  Another thought, is there an Oldsmobile-digest 
list?  perhaps you are getting the digest?  try unsubcribing from the 
digest..

Also the list owner may have set the majordomo to require approval for 
subscribe and unsubscribe.... althogh in that case you would expect that 
you would get the "your request has been forwarded" type of message...

>I've been trying to get off 
> this list since last Friday!  Please believe me!  I'm not making this up, or 
> imagining it!  Something is outta control somewhere!
> 

Charles MacDonald    Stittsville Ontario cmacd@achilles.net
             ---     Just beyond the fringe   ---
<a href="http://www.achilles.net/~cmacd/">homepage</a>
  I Fear The Harris Government is Destroying Ontario

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From: "Enrique Zapata" <ezapata@telnor.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 09:08:41 -0700
Subject: who oldsmobile

who oldsmobile

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jul 1997 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Shopping for daily driver. 87 Cutlass Supreme OK?

At 09:21 AM 7/1/97 -0300, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

>No, those cars seemed to be better in resisting this problem. On all of 
>the mid-80s G-bodies I've looked at in these parts, the rust is in the 
>section just aft of the rear axle kickup. Most of the ones I've looked at 
>have it in the area around the rear body mounts. If you look through the 
>factory hole in the lower frame rail to where the body mounts to the 
>upper rail you can often find that spot rotted away. On a few I looked 
>at, I actually was able to break away a section of the lower frame rail 
>around the hole with just my hand.
>
>There was apparently a GM frame repair kit available for these at one 
>time and I've seen a few cars with it installed. I hear it is no longer 
>available but perhaps someone can confirm or deny that fact. 
>
>Many of the ones I've looked at here also have a problem with the 
>sheetmetal where the inner rear wheelhouse mates with the trunk floor. 
>And door bottoms are notoriously weak on these also. They seemed to try 
>and save weight on these by using very light-guage metal everywhere, but 
>it doesn't seem to hold up very well.

I can verify all the stuff Greg has mentioned above from experience.  True
the 73-77's I do get have hardly any frame rot at all except for surface
rust.  I would like to know about that frame repair kit also if anyone has
information on it.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
Mobil 1 fluids, blackouts(rear+turn.).........14.165@98.70 before listed mods
Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)

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