
oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 26 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 733

parts for sale
Re: a good deal gone bad
Label placement, I need help!
What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: Re: Lansing?
Re: Re: Re[2]: '67 98 4 door
Re: engine color
Re: Looking for a heater shut off solution.
Re: Leaking rear main seal. 
Lansing, rooms still available
Re: Looking for tires 225-75-14 
Re: Misc: My Olds Week under my LONG-term project SX 
Re: Lansing?
Mechanic Problems
Re[2]: '69 H/O sighting at Old Town 
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re[4]: '67 98 4 door
Re: What is wrong with today's youth? 
Re: High RPM Problem 
Decals
Re: Re[2]: '67 98 4 door
Re: What is wrong with today's youth? 
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re:  Today's youth
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re:Looking for tires 225-75-14
safety belt pin thingy
Re: 330 engine swap
Re: Lansing: Where Are You? 
New guy on the small block
Re: Label placement, I need help! 
Re: Re: Lansing?
Re: High RPM Problem 
Re: Mechanic Problems 
Re: Looking for tires  225-75-14
442 w-30 
Mechanic Problems
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

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From: Curt Salada <csalada@astea.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 09:03:54 -0300
Subject: parts for sale

I found the following ad under "Car Parts for Sale":

1970-72 Cutlass 442, 71-72 grills, swaybar, mirrors, floor pans, SSII
wheels, 70 hood, convertible trunk lid & top parts, right front fender.
(610) 446-8294 Havertown, Pa. [Phila. suburb]

I responded to the ad and found that the grills are in OK condition
(possibly good for a #3 car) and the fellow wants in the neighborhood of
$100 - $150 for a pair (he has two of one side and one of the other).
The hood is a Cutlass hood.  The wheels are a set of 5.  Didn't want to
ask any more questions as I was not personally interested in pursuing
any of these parts.  Thought someone on the list might be, however.

Curt Salada
1971 Cutlass for sale -- see it at
http://scils.rutgers.edu/~djcohen/curt/olds

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 10:01:37 -0300
Subject: Re: a good deal gone bad

I can't sympathize enough your situation, that's why I'm responding. I
think that this person took advantage of something that we all dearly
and truely have together on this list --- trust. Without, we are are
individuals to ourselves. The fact that we are all here proves taht we
are willing to trust one another. If the culprit is reading this, then
it should be you that should come forth and explain yourself, not David.
David has not done anything wrong by any means. Mind you, we can find
out who you are by going back using the digests and looking at the
responses for David's request. But because we use TRUST in this group I
won't do that, we will leave that up to you - bad fender sender!

David, although I do not condone your silence, I do respect your
decision, however as a personal request by me, I would like to avoid
this happening to me, therefore if you could send me a personal note
directly I would greatly appreciate it.

Fernando
'72 442

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From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 22:31:02 -0300
Subject: Label placement, I need help!

I just bought my dream car three weeks ago,(1971 442 convertible), 
which is totally re-done except for a few stickers in the engine 
compartment. (lucky me)

My question; is there a book or other reference that will show the 
proper placement for such stickers as:

emissions (on the "radiator cover plate" between the fan shroud and the 
hood latch)

radiator warning sticker (left of the emission sticker)

"posi" warning sticker  (this goes on the inside of the trunk lid, left 
of the jack instruction stickers)

I have both the 1971 service and chassis manuals.  Are the sticker 
locations shown in there? (I haven't got a chance to look yet)

Lastly, I was wondering if anyone knew if the radiator cap aligning 
sticker was added by the dealer, or put on at the factory? (this 
sticker is red/orange in color and goes completely over the radiator 
cap)

Thanks in advance!

RC Hellebuyck

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:30:31 -0300
Subject: What is wrong with today's youth?

Last night I went to the small town of Clinton, IN for a meeting.  I
drove the 4-4-2 because it was such a nice night.  After the meeting I
cruised through town like I did 20 years ago in the same car.  There
were some people out cruising, but they were not driving any
hi-performance vehicles.  Small trucks, front drive 4 bangers, and mom
and dad's family car.  I know that dinosaurs like my Olds are not around
like they used to be, but where are the Rustangs and Come-here-ohs? 
There were a ton of those things made, yet I don't see them out. 
(Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.  And you
wouldn't be caught dead in a four door anything.  To the younger
generation on this list, I salute you. You have the good sense to enjoy
automobiles as your forefathers did.  As for the rest of these kids,
they don't know what they're missing. (Geezer mode off)

Radios are for parking, dual exhaust is music for driving.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:34:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

[SNIP]

This is the Halifax contingent as I know it right now. Maybe others here
> can add their own info to it as well? It might get ugly-looking after a
> while, but at least it's a start... 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu

Greg-

Cool!  Downloaded and saved... this is great, I'm right across the street in the 
Holiday Inn!

Doug Kitchener   8/19-8/23   Holiday Inn West   '70 Cutlass Supreme convertible, 
white top over Galleon Gold.

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:43:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: Lansing?

> 
> Doug, it's timely that you asked about people's Lansing plans because I
> was just about to see if we couldn't organize something here along the
> same lines. There have been posts from a number of folks over the past
> while saying where they are staying, etc., but no formal list has been put
> together as far as I know. Yesterday I received my registration
> confirmation from Bob Jarboe of Olds, so I think it's getting close to the
> time where we should start thinking about organizing ourselves.

Yeah, that's what prompted me... 
> 
> A while back you suggested the parking lot of the Holiday Inn West on 
> Tuesday night as the venue for a possible get-together. That might be as 
> good a place as any, though I wonder if Tuesday might not be too soon.


Yeah... working on something else but I gotta check the schedule... back at you 
privately later...

 If 
> it was in my power (right now it isn't, unfortunately) it would be neat to 
> have a Olds list HQ somewhere for people to drop by and mingle on a 
> regular basis during that week.

At the '95 Nationals in Greensboro (admittedly a smaller event!) the host 
chapter had a "hospitality suite" every night, worked well.  Wish we'd had the 
foresight to suggest something like that for this one to the "powers that be", 
yeah.

 Others have suggested other venues for 
> gatherings as well, but again, nothing has been formalized. I think at 
> this point any suggestions for organizing something would be welcomed.

Workin' on it, stand by... I guess no matter what, it's gonna conflict with 
something... I had one idea that I broached earlier to the Road Assistance 
contacts, and found out that it conflicted with the OCA auction.  I was told in 
no uncertain terms that _that_ was not a good idea, and I didn't disagree...  :)
> 
> As for who's staying where, failing a web page where people can post that
> info, maybe we can do something here on the list that is compact and easy
> to read. Stay tuned... 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu

Got your other post, great!  As for the other I suggest we stick with the 
Holiday parking lot, just lemmee look at the schedule and get back as far as 
what night!  :)  This is gonna be neat!

Doug Kitchener
Gaithersburg MD
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 11:48:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: Re[2]: '67 98 4 door

Cnvrtbl442,

> MAYBE 72-76? BEEN A COUPLE YEARS...NOT
> SURE....NOT YELLING....

Would it be possible for you to use a mixture of upper and lower-case 
characters?  If not, not to worry...  Not flaming you... it's just a _lot_ 
easier to read!  Thanks!

Doug
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:11:12 -0300
Subject: Re: engine color

> I thought all Olds engines were gold.  Is gold the correct color for a
> 72 Cutlass Supreme?
> 
> Amy Z.
> 
> 
Yes, if it's a 350... 455s in '72 were metallic blue, the blue paint is 
available in spray cans from NAPA auto parts jobbers (you may have to buy a 
case).  Good luck on the gold!  A correct match is difficult to find (hopefully, 
someone here will jump in and tell us they've found one!)

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:16:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for a heater shut off solution.

If you just want to stop the heater from working temporarily, then
locate the two rubber heater hoses going into the firewall, they will be
located on the passenger side. Disconnect them from the fittings being
carefull not to bend the tubes they connect to, else you will get leaks
when you hook it up, then you're next posting to the group, which we
have all seen before will be, "what's the easiest way to change the
heater core" of which you will get a response that says; "There is no
easy way!". 
	Use a piece of plastic tube, usually the kind used to repair a split
garden hose which you can get anywahereand connect the two hoses using
clamps. The water will now not circulate into the heat core. That's it. 
10 minute job. Hope it helps.


jeff antonucci wrote:
> 
> My feet are burning off from the hot air coming out of my heater core in
> this 92+ degree heat.  My 70 442 conv. is non air.  Is there any way to
> shut the hot water off and on?
> 
> Any one have a solution to this one?
> 
> Jeff

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:42:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Leaking rear main seal. 

At 07:45 AM 6/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> I seem to have a rear main seal leak.  When I park the car on a slight
>> incline a ton of oil comes out of the plastic flywheel shield on my
>> 455.  I'm assuming this must be a rear main seal leak.  If so, what's
>> involved in replacing it.  I really want to just stop the leak for the
>> rest of the summer.

While it might be a rear seal leak, it's also possible that your oil pan
gasket is leaking.

Whichever is the case, I suspect that the oil that pours out of the flywheel
shield is flowing directly out of the engine at that moment, but rather is
accumulating from a small leak (perhaps even in the transmission; is the
fluid at all reddish?) and pouring out when you park on an incline.

If the oil is brownish/blackish, however, one quick fix to avoid the oil
pouring out like it does now is to drill a couple small "drain-holes" in the
front of the flywheel shield, so that the oil doesn't accumulate, but rather
drips out along the way. That doesn't fix the leak, but it remedies the
immediate problem (and takes all of ten minutes, and costs nothing).

Oil might be leaking out the rear main seal (and it only does this when the
car's running; for the oil level to reach that part of the motor at rest,
you'd have to be about 10 quarts overfilled! The crankshaft is not supposed
to touch the oil in the pan, never mind be submerged halfway in it.) for a
couple reasons: 

1) Obviously, the seal might be worn out. This can be replaced while the
engine is in the car, but you have to jack the engine up, pull the pan,
remove the rear main cap, get the old rope seal out, and pack a new one in
there. This is only slightly less difficult than pulling the engine (the
other option), which would be a good thing to do if you need to do something
else at the same time (valve job, replace rings, detail the engine or the
engine compartment, etc.).

2) It could be possible that excess blowby and/or a defective PCV valve is
increasing the crankcase pressure, and forcing oil out the engine past a
seal or gasket that might otherwise hold it in. If that's the case, the
solution might be very simple.

Often, though, oil accumulating in that shield is from the transmission, in
which case you'd have a different set of problems. Run without a shield for
a bit, and try to see exactly where the oil is coming from.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:59:20 -0300
Subject: Lansing, rooms still available

For anyone still looking for a place to stay in Lansing. E-mail
inquiries with name and contact phone number to 3sticks@stjohns.edu,
reference the word "TRAVEL" in the subject line. You be contacted
shortly. Yes, rooms are still available!.......

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *                                   
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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From: STemple909@aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:16:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for tires 225-75-14 

I have 225-75-14 tires on my 72 Cutlass S. They are RWL but the only compny
that I have found that used to have these is Firestone.

Shawn Temple

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 12:55:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Misc: My Olds Week under my LONG-term project SX 

At 10:00 PM 6/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Good for you!  I give you "restore guys" alot of credit!  My level of 
>patience...well, I actually haven't any.
>
>What kind of Olds is it and what's the year?

It's a 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX, which was the Supreme body with the
455/TH400 combination (also available in '71). In fact, just about the only
difference between a '71 SX and a '71 442 like yours would be the badges. It
was available in 1970 and 1971, and was the only way to get the 455 in the
CS body style. I like the looks of the notchback body, and the power of the 455.

Unfortunately, mine was an early-production model (checked the body plate,
and it's about the 6000th car made), which came with the 2-bbl motor, not
the 4-bbl of later ones, though I did pick up a correct intake and carb for
the car (completely by chance; I didn't have the slightest idea what I was
buying at the time).

Since it's not that desireable of a model, I don't think I'm going to go for
an original restoration. Maybe I'll rebuild the original motor to stock
form, and once it is in the car, build up its new '68 Toro motor into
something wild. I dunno...right now, I just want to see it move under its
own power!

>Do you have a tentative date for the "main voyage"?

Not until early August, at least. Parts-wise, it's ready to go, but it's
about two hours away from me now, but the Toro that's donating its motor is
up here with me, and the person who will be buying the rest of the Toro has
to straighten out his arrangements for parking it on his property, so the
swap won't be at least until late July, when I can get some time to figure
out what to tow the things around with (I'll have to tow the SX back up here
once it's all together, so that I can get some bodywork done to it at my
leisure and get it registered).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:40:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing?

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>

>Doug, it's timely that you asked about people's Lansing plans...

>A while back you suggested the parking lot of the Holiday Inn West on
>Tuesday night as the venue for a possible get-together. That might be as
>good a place as any, though I wonder if Tuesday might not be too soon. If

Tuesday is too soon.  I'd vote for Thursday.

>As for who's staying where, failing a web page where people can post that
>info, maybe we can do something here on the list that is compact and easy
>to read. Stay tuned...

The Buick guys in the past have started a concurrent, seperate mailing list
for thier nationals.  It runs for a few months before the event and a month
or two
after.  It keeps most of the event only information going to just the people
that
are interested.

A list of people going, with the dates, hotels, car make/model/color/plate
number,
cell phone, route traveled, etc  is a good idea, and should be encouraged.
I dont know if posting it on a web page for the world to see is the best
idea.
You might want to keep it within the confines of the mailing list.

And I'll put in a plug for that rocket AT symbol that I drew up a while back.
Put it on your car, clothes, luggage, hotel room... you get the idea.  :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: "LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:38:56 -0300
Subject: Mechanic Problems

Lo' everyone, I just had the urge to rant a teeny bit.  A few of you may
remember me asking for engine info way back in the beginning of April
when my engine blew up (well not really, it just threw a rod which in turn
also whacked the crankshaft).  We unfortunately, that began the whole
mess that I'm currently in.

First I got the car towed to the mechanics (whom my whole family does
lots of business with).  Well, they were way behind because all but the
owner and his son took off for bigger and better jobs.  So my car sits in
his building for about a month because he hasn't even looked at it.  He
finally pulls out the engine and sends it to someone else to fix.  Well they
got right on it, had the engine taken apart and the parts ordered when I
called.  Now, by this time my mechanic has told me that he's gotten a few
people working with them again and they are doing much better.  So I
found out when the engine would be ready and gave the mechanic a
week to have it in the car.  He never got the engine so I called and found
out that it would take another week for the engine to be rebuilt because
instead of checking the block ID in the beginning, they assumed that we
knew what we were talking about when we told them it was a 425, so
they ordered all the parts and then found out it was a 455.

The engine finally got finished on the 6th of this month.  The mechanic told
me he would be finished on the 13th, then the 17th, the 20th, and today. 
It of course isn't finished today, but I should try again this Friday.  He told
me that he hasn't even started to put the engine in yet...but he does have
the parts in to do it :>   I'm starting to think I'll never get my car back.  One
of the worst things is that I've heard everyone say that the squeaky
wheel gets the grease, well I'm hear to tell you that it isn't always so.  I've
been squeaking since it first got dropped off, first just to get him to look at
it, then to get it fixed, and now to put it back together, and it *still* isn't
finished.

Okay, there wasn't much point in this other than to kinda update anyone
interested on my car.  Yeah, and to vent some steam :)  Don't worry
though I won't do this often (because hopefully I won't need to)

Happy oldsmobiling
Laura

66 Delta 88...in the shop gathering cobwebs

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:00:27 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: '69 H/O sighting at Old Town 

Would have liked to visit, but I just ran out of time down there! 

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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If any of you folks are ever in the Central Florida area and plan on
attending this, let me know!  We'll get together.  Kissimmee is only
about 45 min or an hour from where I live, and I used to attend the
Saturday Night Cruise (it's ~official~ name) religiously.  There were/are
always beautiful Oldsmobiles there.  I've got quite a few pictures
somewhere around here... 


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:09:34 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

Dave Wyatt laments:

>  I know that dinosaurs like my Olds are not around
> like they used to be, but where are the Rustangs and Come-here-ohs? 
> There were a ton of those things made, yet I don't see them out. 
> (Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
> used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.

<Snip>

<My Own Geezer Mode, Fresh Out-o-the-Box, On>

Well-l-l-l, back when *I* was that age, in the mid to late '70s, driving
used musclecars from the 60s, guys my Dad's age would ask, "Where are all
the 'rodded Deuce Coupes and '49 Mercs with frenched headlights?  You kids
today don't know what cruisin' is!"

<Geezer Mode Off, Philisophical Mode On>

It is the same with every generation, I guess.  Time *does* in fact march on,
despite our best efforts.  It seems every generation thinks that the next one
is lacking in some way, be it their attitude or the cars they drive.

I remember reading a blurb something to the effect that the young generation
is completely lacking in culture and purpose.

It was written by one of the Greek Philosophers a coupla three
thousand years ago :) :)

And we didn't turn out so bad since then, did we?  OK, OK, so there were those
pesky Dark Ages for a few centuries; but other than that...

<Philisophical Mode Off>

And look at it this way:  In 2035, those same kids you saw last night will be
complaining, "Back in my day, we made do with cars that drove on the
*ground*, not in some new-fangled sky-lane... right McFly?" :)



Tim (Be Nice To the Next Generation, They'll Be Choosing Your Rest Home)
Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: David Brown <oldsfaqcompiler@rocketmail.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:13:17 -0300
Subject: Re[4]: '67 98 4 door

After finding 10 feet of vacuum hose on an '80's something or other,
we 
hooked it to manifold vacuum on the wrecker. The vacuum signal seemed
a 
little weak, but probably 10" Hg or a little more. No hissing, didn't
pop. Based on the '68 Caprice (that's a pretty neat setup!), it
appears that the trunk should have popped. I'll try hooking to the
switch end.

I'll try hooking the line to the Delta before I pull the seat to go 
exploring!! One of my cats liked to get into the '70 Delta's trunk
through the two rear speaker holes. Pretty funny seeing two glowing
spheres down the hole in the trunk! 


BTW, the '67 also has the rear defog blower motor setup. Anyone
interested? How much? No soap bubbles or squeegee required!

What's available ('67 98 Luxury Sedan; gold w/black interior, vinyl
top):
* All glass - good shape
* Power windows, locks, mirrors, front power seat
* Rear fender shirts - have to check condition
* Comfortron - pretty sure it works (was set at 70, car int. pretty
well cared for)
* Tilt steering wheel
* Dash - good
* Vacuum remote trunk opener (w/resevoir, all original hoses, valves)
* Doors - rusty bottoms - really have to check more
* Rear defog blower motor
* Seats - large vertical ribs - dusty, some little rips, not big ones,
front is no ripped (have to check again for sure)
* Front grill, bezels, lenses, etc - good
* Rear tail lights - good
* Front bumper - might be a good core, have to check again

If interested, state exactly what you want, down to this wire, that
thingy, etc, and a fair price. Your satisfaction guaranteed. First
come, first served. I have people on a list already. I'll respond back
to you.

David Brown       Mailto:OldsFAQcompiler@rocketmail.com
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
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If it has the vacuum release, take a vacuum pump and attach it to the
hose coming out of the switch in the glovebox and going to the trunk;
if you're lucky, the hose won't be damaged and you'll pop the trunk
with a few squeezes (did this on my '68 Toro that came without keys).
If you don't have a vacuum pump, just park a car near it and run a
length of vacuum hose from the running car's intake to that trunk hose.

BTW, I've got the complete setup for a '68 Caprice, which doesn't run
off engine vacuum at all; instead, it has a little plunger you pull,
which generated enough vacuum to open the trunk. Pretty neat.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918



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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 13:58:00 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth? 

At 11:30 AM 6/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Last night I went to the small town of Clinton, IN for a meeting.  I
>drove the 4-4-2 because it was such a nice night.  After the meeting I
>cruised through town like I did 20 years ago in the same car.  There
>were some people out cruising, but they were not driving any
>hi-performance vehicles.  Small trucks, front drive 4 bangers, and mom
>and dad's family car.  I know that dinosaurs like my Olds are not around
>like they used to be, but where are the Rustangs and Come-here-ohs? 
>There were a ton of those things made, yet I don't see them out. 

This is painfully evident to me when I walk through the parking lot here at
school; I try in _vain_ to discover someone who drives something
interesting. So far, the most interesting car is a bone-stock '87 Buick GN,
and a recent Cutlass Supreme convertible. Aside from that, it's whatever
mom&dad let the kid drive off to school, which is usually a 4-door fwd
compact or a SUV. *Nothing* here is modified by the students. In fact, the
two 5.0's that I know of on campus are owned by faculty or administrators!
And I know for certain that all I would get are uncomprehending blank stares
from my students if I pulled up in a loud, gas-guzzling, chrome-wheeled '70
Cutlass.

Now, out in the nearby streets, there's a number of cars with custom wheels,
and occasionally I'll see something with a dual exhaust, and sometimes the
modified 5.0 or Camaro, but those are perhaps 1 out of 200.

>(Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
>used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.  And you
>wouldn't be caught dead in a four door anything.  To the younger
>generation on this list, I salute you. You have the good sense to enjoy
>automobiles as your forefathers did.  As for the rest of these kids,
>they don't know what they're missing. (Geezer mode off)

Well, insurance is one problem I suppose(who can afford $3000/year insurance
for a used Z-28?). You pinpointed it, however, as a complete change in
attitude with the newer generation (like I'm all that old...). Nobody
modifies their cars anymore; heck, nobody changes their own _oil_ anymore!
They lease a completely anonymous 4-door car that doesn't ask anything of
them, and all they ask is that it gets them to work, to the store and home
again. Any entertainment along the way will have to be provided by the
stereo, not the car it's installed in.

>Radios are for parking, dual exhaust is music for driving.

AMEN!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:29:14 -0300
Subject: Re: High RPM Problem 

In a message dated 97-06-25 10:05:49 EDT, you write:

<< You can achieve the same thing with shims on an Olds, but it sounds like
the
 problem on this engine is simply worn valve springs.""" It took my 455 until
 about 5000rpm before it would hit valve float, but when it hit that ceiling,
 it sounded like real bad things were happening under there.""" I recall one
 time getting on a highway and neglecting to bump the shifter out of first
 quick enough; as soon as I hit 60mph (it has a 2.56 rear), the thing started
 popping; backed off, and everything was fine.
  >>

WHY DOES ANYONE NEED TO TAKE THEIR 455 TO 5 GRAND? MY 455 IS BUILT WITH A
MONDELLO BOTTOM END AND I HAVE FOUND NO REASON TO GO THERE.


????ENOUGH SAID>>>

------------------------------

From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:34:35 -0300
Subject: Decals

> I just bought my dream car three weeks ago,(1971 442 convertible), 
> which is totally re-done except for a few stickers in the engine 
> compartment. (lucky me)
> 
> My question; is there a book or other reference that will show the 
> proper placement for such stickers as:

[SNIP]

Mark Cornea Reproductions in Livonia MI sells the decals and has placement 
diagrams/instructions in his catalog.  He's on this list; hey Mark, you in 
there?

(Mark, go ahead and send out my commission check!)  :)

His email address has changed, usta be mcornea@ford.com, which might still work.  
Will dig around here and get you his new PO Box number if nobody else has it 
handy and posts.  Are you a member of the Oldsmobile Club of America?  You 
should join, then you'd know this stuff!  :)  $30/year to OCA, Box 80318, 
Lansing MI 48908.

Regards,

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

PS -  Mark Cornea Reproductions, Box 531445, Livonia MI 48153-1445, catalog $3, 
he will probly be vending at Lansing.

PPS - Mark, go ahead and mail that check so I can afford to go to Lansing!  :)

D

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:34:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: '67 98 4 door

- ----------
> From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> << >A FRIEND AND I PICKED UP SOME ELECTRIC TRUNK RELEASES FROM TORONADOS
THAT
>  >WORK VERY WELL WITH LITTLE OR NO MODIFICATIONS, DEPENDING ON YEAR AND
MODEL
>  >AND SUCH.  I HAVE A CONVERTIBLE ON WHICH  I HID A BUTTON IN A VERY
HANDY
>  >PLACE . CAN BE DISABLED IF NEEDED OR WILL OPEN TRUNK WITHOUT KEY ON..
> 
> 
> I THINK MOST WERE EARLY TO MID 70S. MAYBE 72-76? BEEN A COUPLE
YEARS...NOT
> SURE....NOT YELLING....
> Is your caps lock key stuck down? 
Walter

------------------------------

From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:50:17 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth? 

<snip>
>>To the younger generation on this list, I salute you. You have the good 
>>sense to enjoy automobiles as your forefathers did.
<snip>
- --------------------------------

What else are we going to drive-- Toyotas with 13" wheels sticking out 3 feet
wider than the car?! (Muscle) Cars from my parent's generation were better
built, quicker, and look much better than these $30,000 plastic boxes the
automakers try to pawn off on the public today!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible
A member of the under-30 crowd, and an OCA member for for life!
 
 

------------------------------

From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 15:55:29 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

david wyatt wrote:
>
> (Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
> used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.  And you
> wouldn't be caught dead in a four door anything.  To the younger
> generation on this list, I salute you. You have the good sense to enjoy
> automobiles as your forefathers did.  As for the rest of these kids,
> they don't know what they're missing. (Geezer mode off)

Amen, sir, amen. When I was looking for my first car, there was no way
in h*ll I was going to get some little 4 door thing that went
"zzinnnnnn-zzinnnnn". So, I bought a tank with a hungry engine. That car
could easily cut any of toady's cars in half at 40. Most everybody I
know makes fun of me for having that car because it's not in perfect
shape or it doesn't get good mileage or it's not a Fraud Rustang or
something that looks fast. All I have to say is "you just wait,
boys...."
 
> Radios are for parking, dual exhaust is music for driving.

"Bass is for cars that CAN'T sound like mine"

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 14:49:11 -0300
Subject: Re:  Today's youth

> Last night I went to the small town of Clinton, IN for a meeting.  I
> drove the 4-4-2 because it was such a nice night.  After the meeting I
> cruised through town like I did 20 years ago in the same car.  There
> were some people out cruising, but they were not driving any
> hi-performance vehicles.  Small trucks, front drive 4 bangers, and mom
> and dad's family car.  I know that dinosaurs like my Olds are not around
> like they used to be, but where are the Rustangs and Come-here-ohs? 
> There were a ton of those things made, yet I don't see them out. 
> (Engage geezer mode) When I was that age it seemed like most of us had
> used musclecars or something modified to make it faster.  And you
> wouldn't be caught dead in a four door anything.  To the younger
> generation on this list, I salute you. You have the good sense to enjoy
> automobiles as your forefathers did.  As for the rest of these kids,
> they don't know what they're missing. (Geezer mode off)
> 
> Radios are for parking, dual exhaust is music for driving.
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 
> 
Dave,

Bravo!  I think what's wrong with today's youth is no muscle cars available for 
a reasonable price for them to get in trouble with!  :)  Therefore, they turn to 
other activities... I dunno how old you are, but I was fortunate enough to be 
"coming of age" when a lotta these cars were new-to-five-years-old and could be 
pruchased reasonably and in decent condition, albeit maybe a little flogged, and 
possibly, let's say, not quite stock... am probly d*mn lucky to be the age I am 
which lets me appreciate that era first-hand!

We need to swap stories; briefly, my "land-speed record" is in my buddy's '63 
Impala SS convertible; he bought it for about $850, dirty, burning oil and 
wheezing along with a 327/250 and PowerSlide; transformed it into a 327/350 
4-speed screamer!  (Sorry, guys, Oldsmobiles were a little out of our reach!).  
Another kid a couple years younger had a beige or tan '70 442, don't remember 
whether or not it was a W25, or what trans, but he wrecked it twice, had it 
fixed twice, and traded it on a new Camarag, about a '75, and I hated him for 
it!

Regards,

Geezing along in my '70 Cutlass convertible,

Doug (Geezer) Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

PS, radios are for _personal_ listening; anything else is just plain rude!

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:00:07 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

I read Dave Wyatt's note with some interest, since I often feel like a 
geezer myself.  ;-) But I think there may be some hope for the younger 
generation yet. Last night was a case in point.

It was a somewhat strange evening for these parts, with cells of severe
thunderstorms, hail and even one report of a funnel cloud touchdown mixed
in with warm, sunny weather. This kept the usual turnout of cars from
showing up at our weekly car club meeting, but there were a couple of
dozen of us there anyway. We were standing around the restaurant parking
lot when 3 girls about 17 or so arrive (driving a 4-door Ciera, BTW)
looking to get something to eat, not knowing we were there. They were
totally into the '70s scene and were wearing the retro-look polyester
clothes that are for some reason once again the height of fashion. 

Once they saw the club member's cars in the lot, it was as if they 
had suddenly discovered that there were cars around back then too in 
addition to clothes and that these also made a fashion statement. They 
just about went crazy. It was actually kind of fun to watch them oooh 
and aaah over some of the cars, even pretty pedestrian ones. They just 
thought each and every one was totally cool. The only disappointing 
thing was that they said they were disappointed there were no 60's 
M*stangs there. I tried my best to enlighten them, but they were a tough 
sell. Still, they were redeemed in my mind when I overheard them say as 
I left the parking lot, "that is *such* a tough car!!"....  I think it 
was a compliment, anyway.

Anyway, I thought it was pretty neat that a trio of 17-year-old ladies
could spend quite a bit of time chatting about cars with a bunch of
geezers even older than me, and having fun doing it (for example, I was
demonstrating my 8-track for them and they had never seen anything like
it before, but thought it totally cool that I had a Meat Loaf tape).
There's hope yet! 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "mcfrlan@bconnex.net" <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 16:15:21 -0300
Subject: Re:Looking for tires 225-75-14

Larry, 
I have 62&63 Starfire's and I found a tire made by Cooper called "Cooper
Trendsetter SE". These tires are 225-75-14 and are radials. I don't
remember what size the whitewall comes in because I had my whitewalls
cut to the original 1". I spent a long time looking for radial tires
this size and this was the only radial this size that I could find. Hope
this helps you out.

Cliff McFarlane
62 Starfire Conv.
63 Starfire Coupe.

------------------------------

From: Amy Zidell <amylzid@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 08:36:05 -0300
Subject: safety belt pin thingy

Hi, (regarding 72 Cutlass Supreme)

I had to get new safety belts because one retractor went bad and the
shop I took it to put the wrong belts in an had sliced up my original
belts.  Oh the agony!

Anyway -- I went to the junk yard got correct belts (wrong color) for 
temporary belts while I sent my original belts to Snake Oyl  in Texas to
redu them.   So I need one minor part Snkae Oyl didn't have.  On the
bottom of the plastic retractor cover there is a  rod or pin that runs
underneath the actual retractor and locks into holes on each side of the
plastic cover.  That rod/pin is missing.  Any suggestions on where to
get a replacement one?  I'm planning a trip to the junk yard but just
haven't gotten around to it yet.  In fact I'm still driving around with
mis-matched belts.  Before I put the redone belts in I'm going to polish
up the buckles and get that rod/pin

Thanks,

Amy Z.

------------------------------

From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:29:27 -0300
Subject: Re: 330 engine swap

Ryan Hehn wrote:
> 
> I have a few more questions regarding a possible swap of a '65 330 into
> an '81 Cutlass.
> 
> The car currently has a 267 SBC v/8.  Does the 330 use the same motor
> mounts as a 455 would?  I know a few of you have done 455 swaps into
> your G-bodies, so I'm trying to get a feel for how similar this would
> be.
> 
> What about the dimensions of the 330?  Would I have to worry about A/C,
> hood clearance, etc? Speaking of A/C, does the 330 have provisions for
> such accessories?
> 
> Any help would be very much appreciated,
> 
> Ryan Hehn
> ryanh@docker.com

I Cannot answer you G-body questions however my 66 330 4 barrel has
factory air and there is a salvage yard about 100 miles from me that has
a 66 4 door with a 330 2 barrel and factory air still in it.  Air should
not pose any problems.  The 330 is pretty much the same size as an olds
350.  Isn't that what you has originally in the vehicle?
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:35:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You? 

At 05:56 AM 6/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>NAME			HOTEL		DATES		CAR
>====			=====		=====		===
>
>Beaulieu, Greg		Hampton Inn	8/18-23		none
>Hirtle, Don		Hampton		8/18-23		none
>Penny, Steve		Hampton		8/18-23		none
>Smith, Brian		Hampton		8/18-23		none
>Stewart, Sandy		Hampton		8/18-23		none
>Chermack, Jim                  Mariott East          8/18-25
70 SX W-32  
>
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>Greg

        I'm trying to keep it all together.This way others can add on.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "John M Dodd" <jmdodd@mychoice.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:33:56 -0300
Subject: New guy on the small block

Hello all,
	Just got signed up for the list, wanted to ask for some opinions......I
have '71 Cutlass S with a 350.....Paid $500.00 for it three years
ago.....Anyway I've got her stripped down to the metal and am getting ready
to spray....First question is should I paint it back to the original
sterling silver, or maybe go w/ a custom color...keep in mind this will be
my first paint job....Also, what type of paint is the most forgiving for a
newbee like myself....The body is in pretty good shape, of course it has
its share of dings and surface rust, but I think I've just about got them
whooped...
					Thanx fer list'n'n
					John Dodd

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:41:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Label placement, I need help! 

At 10:31 PM 6/24/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I just bought my dream car three weeks ago,(1971 442 convertible), 
>which is totally re-done except for a few stickers in the engine 
>compartment. (lucky me)
>
>My question; is there a book or other reference that will show the 
>proper placement for such stickers as:
>
>emissions (on the "radiator cover plate" between the fan shroud and the 
>hood latch)
>
>radiator warning sticker (left of the emission sticker)
>
>"posi" warning sticker  (this goes on the inside of the trunk lid, left 
>of the jack instruction stickers)
>
>I have both the 1971 service and chassis manuals.  Are the sticker 
>locations shown in there? (I haven't got a chance to look yet)
>
>Lastly, I was wondering if anyone knew if the radiator cap aligning 
>sticker was added by the dealer, or put on at the factory? (this 
>sticker is red/orange in color and goes completely over the radiator 
>cap)
>
>Thanks in advance!
>
>RC Hellebuyck

RC

        Yes it's referenced it the assembly manual. The problem is it wasn't
always addhired to. So the could have been anywhere close and cocked at an
angle too. My original air cleaner "Keep your car all GM"  was on the driver
side of the air cleaner. It's now in the front where it should have been.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:48:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: Lansing?

> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> 
> >Doug, it's timely that you asked about people's Lansing plans...
> 
> >A while back you suggested the parking lot of the Holiday Inn West on
> >Tuesday night as the venue for a possible get-together. That might be as
> >good a place as any, though I wonder if Tuesday might not be too soon. If
> 
> Tuesday is too soon.  I'd vote for Thursday.

OCA auction is Thursday so they frowned on that... it was my other choice!  May 
go ahead with it anyway and keep it quiet tho... stand by, working on that now 
and have emailed Greg about it privately...
> 
> >As for who's staying where, failing a web page where people can post that
> >info, maybe we can do something here on the list that is compact and easy
> >to read. Stay tuned...

[SNIP]

> A list of people going, with the dates, hotels, car make/model/color/plate
> number,
> cell phone, route traveled, etc  is a good idea, and should be encouraged.
> I dont know if posting it on a web page for the world to see is the best
> idea.
> You might want to keep it within the confines of the mailing list.

Sounds alright to me; how 'bout everybody just posting to the list the way Greg 
did earlier... that way, those interested could download and start their own 
list... opinions, folks?
> 
> And I'll put in a plug for that rocket AT symbol that I drew up a while back.
> Put it on your car, clothes, luggage, hotel room... you get the idea.  :-)

Jeff, I heard something about that indirectly backalong, but I'm using a 
text-based email and a Curved Dash 286 computer, so can't see!  If I send you a 
SASE, can you smail me this design?  Sounds like a plan!  Send me your address 
privately, will send you mine right after I finish this!

Thanks!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:39:27 -0300
Subject: Re: High RPM Problem 

>Robert Barry wrote:
>
>> time getting on a highway and neglecting to bump the shifter out of first
>> quick enough; as soon as I hit 60mph (it has a 2.56 rear), the thing started
>> popping; backed off, and everything was fine.
>
>Are you saying that you went to about 60 mph in first gear?!?!?!  Egads!
>I wouldn't even dare to do that with my car.  Maybe 35-45 but that's it.
>Maybe someone can post safe shifting speeds for our cars.  Just a
>thought.
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>82 DRB

I can take my '65 98 into the 50's with no problem in 1st. Of course the
rear-end ratio is NOT what you will find in a 442 or Cutlass...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:01:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Mechanic Problems 

Laura,
Unfortunately many of us have been there. My 66 98  was at the body shop
for 4 months for what was supposed to be a 3 week job ("maximum"). I just
kept pestering them, stopping by about twice a week to see what progress
had been made. I was always friendly but with a firm edge. I'm quite
sure I was a pain, but they had breached a contract. 

The business side of this problem was that the estimator (assistant mgr)
I worked with was a young guy who knew all about ordering fenders, bolting them on, and painting them for say 93-97 Audi's, Lexus, etc, didn't have a 
clue about how different the old cars are. He was really a broker in this 
case representing the body guys who all work under the brand name of the 
body shop.  Auto design has come a long way since 1966 so lots of jobs are
easier now (on new cars) than they were then. As an example trim attachment
clips are much less complitcated now and require far less effort to affix.

He underestimated the time his workers (contractors, sort of...)
would need to do the work, when they go over the estimated number of fix
hours, they don't get paid, or not enough, so my car sat once the body guys 
realized what had happened to them. And me. 

So I just kept stopping by, getting new deadline dates from the broker
as the Summer wore on (missed summer in my convert too. dang.). Eventually
they finished, but along the way I spotted a lot of things which made the
job come out better than it might have had I not been there to monitor. 

Was I a pain, yes. Did I like it, no, not at all. Would I go back, yes because
the work they did was good quality, even if it took a long, long time. And
now the car is just great, great, great. It's the best it's been since about
1968 or so...

Sorry there's no magic answer, but I guess the moral is patience, and 
persistence pays off. 

cf

PS:  Since they're building you a motor and its taking 
extra time, could you get 'em to throw in something like roller rockers
or an HEI to make it worth your while? They may actually want to right
by you. What would it take to make you feel good about it?

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 17:53:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for tires  225-75-14

larry polesnak wrote:
 
> Hi everyone,thanks for taking the time to read this.I am looking for
> tires for my 62 STARFIRE. I would like to have red lines but I'm sure
> they would be more than I could afford. I would like to fine a whitewall
> that is either 3/8 inch or  1/2 inch. I found smoothies and knockoffs
> but can't seem to find tires thanks for your help.... LARRY
>    6   2     S    T   A    R    F   I    R    E

Even though I am jealous a Hell that you have a '62 Starfire and I
don't, I'll help you out here.  I bought new tires for the Ninety Eight
a couple of months ago.  I bought Cooper Trendsetter SEs with a
whitewall of approx. 11/16.  My cost through the dealership where I work
was just under $40 each.  I'd try the Cooper tire dealer in your area. 
If you can't find any, maybe the distributor I bought mine from would
ship some to you.  He said he had about 50 is stock.  Mine where
purchased at K&W Tire in Lancaster, PA.  They don't have a phone number
on their invoice, I'll have to get that for you if you're interested in
contacting them.

I've never had Cooper tires before.  They were all I could find and they
were very affordable.  Hopefully they'll serve me well.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: EROB50@aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 22:06:12 -0300
Subject: 442 w-30 

I'm trying to find out the best way to  authenticate a 1970 or 1971 
442 w-30 without having any original paperwork...

I know the vin number indicates the 442 status but what should I look for in
a factory w-30 car.

------------------------------

From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:21:36 -0300
Subject: Mechanic Problems

Lo' everyone, I just had the urge to rant a teeny bit.

[SNIP]

First I got the car towed to the mechanics (whom my whole family does
lots of business with).

Happy oldsmobiling
Laura

66 Delta 88...in the shop gathering cobwebs


Laura-

Bummer.  Rant on!  I know you said you've been squeaking at these guys, but you 
also said your family does a lot of business with them... good mechanics are 
hard to find, of course, but I need a little convincing that these guys are 
really "good", especially since they don't know the difference between a 425 and 
a 455.  (Not that unusual, really, the general unwashed public knows _nothing_ 
about Oldsmobiles... several people on this list have probably been asked, "Hey, 
you got a four-forty two in that thing?")

Anyway, have you considered using the fact that they do get a lot of business 
from you as a lever, or maybe to beat them over the head with?  Also tell them 
you're planning to drive the car to Lansing for the Centennial in August, and 
you want it back at least a month before to shake it down and break it in 
(whether or not you're going!)

Lastly, I think I'd reconsider doing business with them!  Somebody here may be 
able to recommend someone else in your area, wherever it is!

Good luck!  Keep me posted!  I like the big cars; hope you get this one going 
again soon!  I'm only gonna be on the list a few days, just trying to find out 
what people's Lansing plans are, so email me privately with a progress report!

Regards,

Doug Kitchener
dk009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

VP, Starfire -<-* Jetstar I Chapter
Oldsmobile Club of America

PS, chapter welcomes all Olds owners, particularly '60s 88s and Ninety-Eights.

------------------------------

From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 14:25:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

>
> At 05:56 AM 6/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >
> >NAME            HOTEL        DATES        CAR
> >====            =====        =====        ===
> >
> >Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn    8/18-23        none
> >Hirtle, Don        Hampton        8/18-23        none
> >Penny, Steve        Hampton        8/18-23        none
> >Smith, Brian        Hampton        8/18-23        none
> >Stewart, Sandy        Hampton        8/18-23        none
> >Chermack, Jim                  Mariott East          8/18-25
> 70 SX W-32
  Harkema, Doug     Holt, MI        all     none yet> >
> >
> >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

> >
> >
> >Greg
>
>         I'm trying to keep it all together.This way others can add on.
>
> Jim Chermack
>
>
>

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