
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 12 1997       Volume 01 : Number 795



Re: 68 Delta Custom`
Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain
Re: Service Manuals
Re: 71 442 Altenator
67' Hurst Hairy Olds
Re: tire size question
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
Bob Moore Oldsmobile??
GMC Motorhome FAQ
Re: Rocket Talk / Split Personalities?
Re: tire size question
Re: Year Code
Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??
Re: Lansing Car Rental,response
Re: tire size question
Re: brake pedal problem
Re: Rocket Talk / Split Personalities?
Re: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam
Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??
Re: GMC Motorhome FAQ
Re: Lansing Car Rental,response
Re: tire size question
Re: GMC Motorhome FAQ
Re: Lansing Car Rental,response
Re: delta 88s III
Mondello?
Re: Mondello?
Re: Mondello?
Re: Mondello?
Re: hello again
Re: 78 Supreme Hubcap
Re: Mondello?
Re: Mondello?
Re: delta 88s II
Re: brake pedal problem
Re: Mondello?
Re: 68 Delta Custom`
Alternator Conversion Plan
Re: Old(s) home movies
Lansing Accomodations Available
Re: Lansing Car Rental
Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??
Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??
Re: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley park!
(Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS
Olds in Miniature
Re: tire size question
Journey with Olds Auction
Re: tire size question
tilt wheel help
Re: Tech Service bulletins at a flea market
Automatic Car Watch
Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??
Re:70 442 W31 For Sale
Re: Automatic Car Watch
Re: Mondello?

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:03:33 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: 68 Delta Custom`

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> BTW, I notice there's a fellow with a '68 Delta 2-door with a classified
> on Bryce's page looking for a rear bumper. I mention it because he's here
> in Halifax and I wouldn't mind helping him out, though I don't know him
> and have never seen the car. Anyone got a line on one of these?
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Greg I have an extra rear bumper for a 68. It is not perfect but it
could be used or rechromed.
Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom
dawgs@conninc.com

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:08:20 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain

Adam wrote:
> 
> Hello friends,
>         Yes it is me, the one who had trans probs with the 85 cutlass... After
> $500 it runs nice... Today on my way home from church I started the car
> in the store parking lot, it idled for about 20 seconds... the died!
> Just like u turned the key!  I started it again and the check engine
> light came on and stayed on.  It ran fine, no noticable difference.  I
> was so mad!  I just got done last week tracing a Vacum hose problem to
> turn that damn check engine light off.. and now this.  I thought (hoped)
> it might be another simple vacum problem, but all hoses were attached
> and it ran smooth.  Before we left the lot, i turned the key all the way
> off, the re-started the engine, the check engine light went off and
> stayed off... untill 2 mins later down the road at 45mph it died in a
> split second like before.. ARRGHHH... I restarted it, the CE light came
> on again, i said heck with it and drove it with the light on, it didnt
> stall out any more...  Now even if I turn the key all the way off and
> re-start it the light wont go off... I also dont have a SCANNER!  So i
> dont know what the CE light is whineing about... I have considered
> disconnecting the Computer Command altogether... I hate that thing...
> Can I do that?  Somebody please help!?
> 
> Adam Andersen
> 
> 85 Cutlass 307
> 72 Delta88 Conv. 350
> 76 Ninety-Eight  455


Adam you can check the code without a scanner..you just short out the
last two connections on the connector under the dash  (right side of
connector) with the key turned on and count the flashes of light. One
and then two repeated three times lets you know that you are connected.
It will repeat the codes three times before it gives another code. Let
me know what the code is and I will look it up and tell you.


Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom
dawgs@conninc.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:38:35 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Service Manuals

When I worked for Automotive Information Clearinghouse, Mr. Faxon himself
would stop by and buy shop manuals and other literature from AIC.  I assume
he then marks it up and re-sells it.  I would call AIC at (619) 447-7200 to
get a second quote (they have an 800# but I don't have it with me).  Also,
sometimes AIC will have stuff that Faxon doesn't carry and vice versa.

Just my $.02

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser


At 02:16 AM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Found this company that sells both original and copies of service and body
>manuals.
>I don't know what the going price is, but I paid $89.00 for an original
>service manual.
>They ship USPS first class.
>
>Faxon Auto Literature
>3901 Carter Ave
>Riverside, CA 92501
>1-800-458-2734
>fax: 909-786-4166
>
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:44:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 442 Altenator

From CarrDuff@aol.com

I have read the responses from everyone regarding my quest to find an
original 71 442 altenator.  My head is spinning.  I have no less than 6
different part #'s for this unit.  I have also been told that the 442 used a
internally regulated altenator ???
Since I got this car in pieces I will have to go the box with my wiring
harnesses and look to be certain of the internally regulated altenator.  I
was fairly sure that the altenator I have came off this car and is an
external regulated altenator.  Regarding the use of 37amp vs 63amp,  the
referenfce book I have states that the 37amp unit was standard for the
cutlass/442 line.  They do not go into any other options which would change
the altenator rating.

As an additional note,  anyone from the Philadelphia area going to Lansing
???

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:58:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: 67' Hurst Hairy Olds

Hi Everyone,
I recently purchased a model kit of the 67' Hurst Hairy Olds after seeing the
kit
under "Oldsmobilia" at www.442.com.  I read the info on the model box and
would
like to learn more about this car.  For those of you who have never heard of
the car, it was a 67' 442 with two blown 425 cube V8's and 4 wheel drive
using toro
transaxles front and rear.  I've seen one photo of the car on the web, the
picture
is awsome, all four slicks up in smoke.  This car must have been a crowd
pleaser.
If you've seen articles, pictures, photos, whatever, please advise.

Thanks,
Mark Berube
67' 442

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:03:01 -0400
From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

> 
> Tim (uknowme) wrote:
> > 
> > I had 245/60/14 up front but found that all streets have potholes, the
> > tires were getting marked so I switched to 235 up front and do agree 245
> 
> What do you mean by "marked"?
I mean the tires rubbed on the inside against the wheel well, they were
rubbing and getting chewed up by this friction. (ever hit a curb
parralel parking)sorta the same thing

> 
> > looked better but I feel safer with the 235, the 245 look dam good on
> > the back!!!
> 
> Why would the 245s up front not be as safe as the 235s?

I personally feel safer knowing I'm not rubbing my tires when I hit
rough pavement (my city streets are bad and i drive everyday) or take
tight corners, eventually with all the tire rubbing the tire would wear
down and either leak or blow. I also think after paying $150ea for
Goodyear Eagle GT's I want them to last as long as possible. 
Hope I clarified what I meant.
 
> Chris Sparks

Tim
My car is an 81 Cutlass Supreme I don't know if yours has wider/taller
wheel wells.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:15:19 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-08-09 22:50:49 EDT, you write:
> 
> << > Geez... this sure didn't look like a hack job. It was a metal sunroof,
>  > paint matched the rest of the car perfectly. Next time I go down that way
>  > I'll have to look at it again from the interior side. It looked factory
>  > to me though. I didn't know they only made 342 of these cars, had no idea
>  > it was that rare.
> 
>  Greg, all told there were 886 of the 80 442 W-30's made. 346 were
>  white/gold, the 540 were black/gold. I have done alot of research on
>  these cars and have never seen an option, or a car for that matter with
>  a factory sunroof that was an 80 442 W-30. It ~could~ be possible it was
>  a factory unstall....if so that is one seriously rare car. Also a
>  possibility it was a dealer installed option upon delivery, like my rear
>  spoiler was. Let me know more details on the car if you go and look at
>  it. Could you take pictures of both the exterior, interior and sunroof?
>  I would pay you for all the troubles. I like to gather photos on the 80
>  442 W-30 as Olds never had a factory photo made of the car. Thanks!  >>
> 
> Did you say this car was the White/Gold or the Black/Gold?  Dont
>  know if this helps any but I remember a Black/Gold 80 442 W30
> that was sold by a dealer named Williamson Olds in Lincoln NE.
> It was a brand new car for sale on their dealer floor and it was a
> moonroof or sunroof car. I could swear that there was a dealer add-
> on for the roof and it was done by an outside company. Not positive
> on that part but Williamson I believe is still in business and might
> have knowledge of this to verify.....TIM
You bet they are still in business, go there all the time they are one
of my clients.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:42:13 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??

Hi all, I was just reading about the 80 W-30 and that Williamson Olds is
still around (Thanks to Dan Hamlett). I was just wondering for those in
the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
Oldsmobile in Witchita. I was just wondering if they were still around,
or if they were sold out to someone else, or even closed.  Apparently,
they sold my 69 H/O new.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:47:58 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: GMC Motorhome FAQ

Olds afficianados,

As a result of popular demand(a slight overstatement) from the Toro
list, my first attempt at a GMC Motorhome(aka Torohome) FAQ is now up at
http://www.IslandTime.com/gmcmotorhome/

Many thanks to David Moninger at IslandTime.com for his assistance and
contribution of server space for the cause.

Let me know what you think.  More to come.
Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:52:01 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk / Split Personalities?

> It appears as though Charley has Rocket Talk set up at two different
> web
> sites.  How does this affect us, Charley?  Are we missing each other
> because some of us are in one room and others of us are in the other
> room?  Which site should we be using?


    I currently have Rocket Talk set up on both pages, and both link
back to the same server (parachat) under the same channel.  I logged in
to both pages at the same time under different nicknames and talked to
myself for a while.  It worked fine, but I felt a little funny doing
it.  It seemed like I knew the answer to all the questions I'd ask
myself, so I didn't stick around for long ;)  In all probability, this
page can be setup anywhere, or everywhere, and we'd all still meet,
providing it's listed under the same channel.  If anyone has questions
about how to do that, let me know.  It's pretty simple, like four or
five lines of Java code...



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:46:06 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: tire size question

Tim (uknowme) wrote:
> 
> I mean the tires rubbed on the inside against the wheel well, they were
> rubbing and getting chewed up by this friction. (ever hit a curb
> parralel parking)sorta the same thing

Hmm.  Luckily I haven't had the situation of having them rub.  When I
was
getting ready to purchase these tires months ago, I ask the "list" on
what
the biggest size I could use without rubbing.  Hopefully I won't have
any
problems.

> I personally feel safer knowing I'm not rubbing my tires when I hit
> rough pavement (my city streets are bad and i drive everyday) or take

I guess I am lucky here in So. Cal.  Our road are pretty good.

> tight corners, eventually with all the tire rubbing the tire would wear
> down and either leak or blow. I also think after paying $150ea for
> Goodyear Eagle GT's I want them to last as long as possible.

Yow!  That is a lot for tires.  I guess I am lucky in spending $65 for
my BFG Radial T/As.

> Hope I clarified what I meant.

Yup!  Thanks.

> My car is an 81 Cutlass Supreme I don't know if yours has wider/taller
> wheel wells.

That is a good question.  My car in question is a 1968 4-4-2.  Anyone
here
on the list can answer this.

Chris

BTW: The 82 DRB that I have currently came with 235/70?/15.  I think
they
     rub under certain turning maneuvers (tight circles).  I am not
really
     sure if is the tire or something else.  Haven't checked though. 
Does
     anyone know how big a tire can go in a 82 DRB?

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:05:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Re: Year Code

> 
> Peter L. House wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Fellow Olds lovers.  Does anyone know what number or letter in
> > the VIN numbers represents the year. A friend of mine is looking at
> > a 1988 cutlass supreme with a V8 engine. I wasn't sure how many
> > they made, but I thought that it was few. I have a 1987 Salon and I
> > thought that that was the last year that they made the RWD Cutlass,
> > I have heard rumors about the 88' but have never seen it, if I have
> > I probably thought that it was the 1987
> > 
> Yes, Virginia, there IS an '88 RWD.  It does look like an '87. It was
> called the Cutlass Supreme Classic.  And if memory serves me well, which
> it doesn't always, the all 88 RWD were supposed to be V8.  I think.  
> The 10th digit in the VIN should be the model year. (at least for 85 it
> is) If so, mine is an "F" for 85.  So I would bet it is a "J" for 88.
> I'm speculating here, since GM didn't like using "I" for fear of being
> confused for a "1".  Hope this helps you out!  Sorry I can't be more
> exact, but I'm trying to use logic, and we all know logic doesn't work
> always with GM assembly lines.
> 
> Mike Rothe
> 

During lunch today I went to check out the car. It was in bad
shape. The 10th letter was a "J" and it had the "Y" engine. The guy
was asking $1400, which was too much in my opinion. The car had 
almost no options:

No power windows
No power locks
No power seats
No vinly top
No chrome on the sides or on the top of the doors where the windows
are.
Plus the front bumper on the driver side was push in along with the
fender, it had damage on both doors.
On the plus side it did have a new transmission (200c 3spd) and the
air condition worked.

I hardly think that this car is worth $1400 I told my friend to
offer him $800, the guy said no way he would sell it that cheap.


How much is this car worth ????  Remember this car has no options,
just Air and Cruise..


Peter L. House
87" Salon
phouse@feith.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:14:32 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??

>I was just wondering for those in
>the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
>Oldsmobile in Witchita. I was just wondering if they were still around,
>or if they were sold out to someone else, or even closed.

Barring a definitive answer from someone else, you could try calling
either of these two and seeing if they know. (Recognize their address,
perhaps?)

                        BULGER CADILLAC-OLDSMOBILE, INC.
                        1900 EAST DOUGLAS AVENUE
                        WICHITA, KS 67214-4298
                        Phone: (316) 265-8565 
                        Fax: (316) 265-3314 

                        DAVIS-MOORE OLDSMOBILE, INC.
                        6215 E KELLOGG
                        WICHITA, KS 67218-1746
                        Phone: (316) 685-0211 
                        Fax: (316) 685-3011 

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing Car Rental,response

In Atlanta last August I had an Olds 88 LSS with guidestar system compliments
of Oldsmobile, I have Carl Anderson to thank for that, but he told me Avis
has these cars available so you may want to call and reserve one.

Everett OCA#1961

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:33:26 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

> That is a good question.  My car in question is a 1968 4-4-2.  Anyone
> here
> on the list can answer this.
> 
> Chris

My '72 442 had 245/60/14 BFG's with worn out springs and had no problems
with rubbing. I would assume a '68 has about the same wheel wells.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:30:13 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: brake pedal problem

Just thought I should add my 2 cents.  This might be too obvious, but have
you checked the vacuum hose from the manifold to the booster and the
fitting on the manifold??  It could be clogged or cracked.

All according to the automotive theory that you check things in order from
cheap to expensive, not the other way around.  Although, I have been known
to ignore that wisdom from time to time myself.

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser


At 11:42 PM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
><Does the brake warning light come on?>
>Nope. 
>
><Is there a full master cylinder?>
>Yes.
>
><Are you leaking fluid anywhere?> 
>Not a drop
>
><How do the brake hoses look?>
>OK, as far as I can see.
>
>Thanks for the feedback.  I'm thinking it's the booster.  Well it looks like 
>I'm going to learn something new.  Never worked on a brake booster before.
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:39:56 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk / Split Personalities?

> I logged in
> to both pages at the same time under different nicknames and talked to
> myself for a while.  
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
Uhmm Charley you haven't baught a Chevy have you? This could get bad if you
have!

Daren

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:35:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Subject: Re: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam

On Fri, 8 Aug 1997, Mike Hall wrote:

> I offer my support for making the list private, this SPAM stuff gets old 
> real fast...

Allow me to be 2nd for this.   Years ago I went to mailing lists from
USENET since the "signal/noise" ratio got too out of hand - guess now it's
time to go private.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:38:31 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??

Previously I wrote:
>>I was just wondering for those in
>>the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
>>Oldsmobile in Witchita.
[...]
>Barring a definitive answer from someone else, you could try calling
>either of these two and seeing if they know. (Recognize their address,
>perhaps?)
[...]
>                        DAVIS-MOORE OLDSMOBILE, INC.
                               ^^^^^
>                        6215 E KELLOGG
>                        WICHITA, KS 67218-1746
>                        Phone: (316) 685-0211 
>                        Fax: (316) 685-3011 

*slaps forehead*

I swear I wasn't being sarcastic; I really _didn't_ see the
"Moore" in that name until after I posted this. Oh, well,
this looks like your answer, anyway!

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 14:46:35 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: GMC Motorhome FAQ

> Let me know what you think.  More to come.
> Patrick
> -- 
> Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

Checked it out. Looks good. Got a couple questions. Did the engines have
the same Hp/torque as the Toro's ? I wonder if the 403 used in '77-'78 had
the solid mains that are so hard to find?  

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:55:18 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Car Rental,response

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In Atlanta last August I had an Olds 88 LSS with guidestar system compliments
> of Oldsmobile, I have Carl Anderson to thank for that, but he told me Avis
> has these cars available so you may want to call and reserve one.
> 
> Everett OCA#1961

I second the recommendation.  I got an '88 with the Guidestar system in
it as a rental in Silicon Valley last year.  It was just too cool!  If I
didn't live in a town small enough that I know every major road, I'd
probably get one.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:01:29 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: tire size question

- ----------
> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: tire size question
> Date: Monday, August 11, 1997 2:46 PM
> 
> Tim (uknowme) wrote:
> > 
> > I mean the tires rubbed on the inside against the wheel well, they were
> > rubbing and getting chewed up by this friction. (ever hit a curb
> > parralel parking)sorta the same thing
> 
> Hmm.  Luckily I haven't had the situation of having them rub.  When I
> was
> getting ready to purchase these tires months ago, I ask the "list" on
> what
> the biggest size I could use without rubbing.  Hopefully I won't have
> any
> problems.
> 
> > I personally feel safer knowing I'm not rubbing my tires when I hit
> > rough pavement (my city streets are bad and i drive everyday) or take
> 
> I guess I am lucky here in So. Cal.  Our road are pretty good.
> 
> > tight corners, eventually with all the tire rubbing the tire would wear
> > down and either leak or blow. I also think after paying $150ea for
> > Goodyear Eagle GT's I want them to last as long as possible.
> 
> Yow!  That is a lot for tires.  I guess I am lucky in spending $65 for
> my BFG Radial T/As.
> 
> > Hope I clarified what I meant.
> 
> Yup!  Thanks.
> 
> > My car is an 81 Cutlass Supreme I don't know if yours has wider/taller
> > wheel wells.
> 
> That is a good question.  My car in question is a 1968 4-4-2.  Anyone
> here
> on the list can answer this.
> 
> Chris
> 
> BTW: The 82 DRB that I have currently came with 235/70?/15.  I think
> they
>      rub under certain turning maneuvers (tight circles).  I am not
> really
>      sure if is the tire or something else.  Haven't checked though. 
> Does
>      anyone know how big a tire can go in a 82 DRB?

	I had 245's on the rear of my 78 GP and 225's on the front. It handled
great and no tire rub using stock steel SS wheels. You could have a back
spacing issue depending on your wheels. 

	P.S.    The tire dealer had to align my car for free when I won the 
bet over weather the tires would fit or not. Was he suprised. He tried to
shove
205/75 tires on me but I said no way. I was sure the 245 225 package would
fit.
He now routinely puts this package on ALL RWD GM A-bodies he can

				The General

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:15:04 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: GMC Motorhome FAQ

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> > Let me know what you think.  More to come.
> > Patrick
> 
> Checked it out. Looks good. Got a couple questions. Did the engines have
> the same Hp/torque as the Toro's ? I wonder if the 403 used in '77-'78 had
> the solid mains that are so hard to find?

AFAIK, the drive trains are identical down to the final drive(which was
a way too low 3.08), so HP/torque should be the same.  Don't know if the
403's were solid mains, but, as many owners of 77's & 78's swap out the
403's for 455's and <gasp!> c*dill*c 500's, placing an add in GMCMM
might be a possible way to pick up one.

Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:24:08 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Car Rental,response

>I second the recommendation.  I got an '88 with the Guidestar system in
>it as a rental in Silicon Valley last year.

What you all need to do is equip yourselves with transponders
tied into the Guidestar system, so that when you're all cruising
around Lansing you can track each other on radar...

"Andy, I've spotted another Olds List Member on Guidestar. Looks
to be heading for the intersection of 12th & Main... Hmmm..."

"What's the problem?"

"Sensors indicate that it's Mike Frederick."

"Arming primary rockets now." The vacuum-operated headlight doors
rotate smoothly to reveal small but effective missiles, each
sporting an Olds logo and "GM MARK OF EXCELLENCE" hot-stamped
neatly into the phony woodgrain down the side...  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:28:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: delta 88s III

On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, ISSVAL wrote:
> Also I had some problems recently with the distributor. the mechanic said
> the points were closed and i needed to change them (?). does anybody
> understand what he meant?

Points can go bad for any number of reasons. I know that sometimes when 
subjected to heat and wear that they can close up on you. Easy fix, just 
put in a new set and adjust the gap...

> I know there is a cam rotating, opening and closing points. is it the
> part i have to replace?

Not the cam, just the points assembly. I suppose the cam can go bad too 
but I think that's pretty rare.

> What about HEI conversion?

A whole different animal. Never done it but it has been talked about here 
forever (see the FAQ) and many folks have done it with great success. 
Does away with points, which is a big plus.

BTW: I remember that one of the drawbacks (at least sometimes) with an 
HEI conversion is that the HEI distributor is bigger than the points kind 
and interferes with the fit of the air cleaner. I'm surprised that I 
don't remember anyone mentioning that later Rocket V-8s (at least the one 
in my '78) have an air cleaner with an offset hole. The effect is to move 
the whole assembly forward on the engine, presumably to allow clearance 
for the HEI. I would have thought that these would be hot items to have 
for those who did the conversion, and that someone would have mentioned 
it before this. If they did, I don't recall it but thought it would be 
useful for folks here to know.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:44:42 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Mondello?

First, thank you Peter Small for you insightful mail. Second, does
anybody know if Mondello is on the web? If not, can I get a phone# to
call and order a catalog?
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:55:45 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> First, thank you Peter Small for you insightful mail. Second, does
> anybody know if Mondello is on the web? If not, can I get a phone# to
> call and order a catalog?

Matt,

Try http://webs.tcsn.net/mondello/

Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:58:46 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

>First, thank you Peter Small for you insightful mail. Second, does
>anybody know if Mondello is on the web?

http://webs.tcsn.net/mondello/

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:59:22 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Mondello?

Matt,

The Mondello web site is at http//webs.tcsn.net/mondello/.  Phone number is 
(805) 237-8808.  Don't expect your catalog for a while, unless you get 
better service out of them than the rest of us.  BTW, I see you're in 
Michigan...for all I know Mondello may have a spot in Lansing for the 
Centennial.  Also, Dick Miller Racing in Jackson was Mondello's East Coast 
distributor until about two months ago.  You might check with them, too.  
Good luck!

>First, thank you Peter Small for you insightful mail. Second, does
>anybody know if Mondello is on the web? If not, can I get a phone# to
>call and order a catalog?
>-- 
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean

>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:06:39 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: hello again

Clayton Pierce wrote:
> 
> Well all, it's been since spring... How is everybody?
> I'll be starting school back (and therefore recieving the list regularly
> again) very soon.  I have some news with regard to Lucille (my '84 Cutlass
> for those who don't know).  I traded an old beat up rusting hulk of a
> '72 Mercury for a "very-built" TH350... plenty enough to bark the tires
> hitting 2nd gear, and up my top end to around 170 to 180 mph (yes, its
> very fun passing a Mustang GT 30 miles an hour faster than his top speed).

Clayton, if you went that fast with a G-body that is amazing. These cars
are drag limited to the upper 140's in mph. Anyway glad to have you
back!

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 00:15:55 +0200
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: 78 Supreme Hubcap

Hello Mick,

thanks for your reply to my mail.

Please give it a try and we´ll see if we can get that hubcap to Bavaria in
time.

>By the way; what's a Tombola?

Oh sorry, I thought this would be an american word.
Let me explain it this way: Somebody gave us the ´78 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Brougham for nothing: no bucks, no dollars, no D-Marks. Now we print
paper-chips with numbers and sell them for let´s say 5 bucks a piece. Then
we draw a number from all those chips we sold. The winner will get the ´78
Supreme and we have the money for the childrens hospital: that´s a tombola.

WE HAVE THE ´78 SUPREME - but as I told, there´s been stolen a hubcap.
And I think it´s a bad idea to have a car at a tombola with 3
hubcaps..........


Greetings, Roland

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:18:09 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

evans1@serv01.net-link.net wrote:
> 
> Matt,
> 
> The Mondello web site is at http//webs.tcsn.net/mondello/.  Phone number is
> (805) 237-8808.  Don't expect your catalog for a while, unless you get
> better service out of them than the rest of us.  BTW, I see you're in
> Michigan...for all I know Mondello may have a spot in Lansing for the
> Centennial.  Also, Dick Miller Racing in Jackson was Mondello's East Coast
> distributor until about two months ago.  You might check with them, too.


Mondello made it well known....more than once...at the Mondello Olds
Nationals a few weeks back that Dick Miller is no longer affiliated with
him ;-) He couldn't have stressed it enough. Joe was real cool in
person. I even got to have a picture taken with me sandwiched inbetween
him and Linda Vaughn ;-) Linda's probably old enough to be my grandma,
but she still looks good. 


********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 15:21:19 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

I may be the exception, but I got my catalog in less than a week.  Last
week I ordered a cam on Monday and it was delivered by mail on thursday.  I
must say I am happy with the service at Mondello.  I haven't tried their
tech support so I can't give you an opinion on that topic.

I know that Dick Miller Racing has been discussed on this group before, can
someone please post his address (both physical and web).

TIA

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

>
>The Mondello web site is at http//webs.tcsn.net/mondello/.  Phone number is 
>(805) 237-8808.  Don't expect your catalog for a while, unless you get 
>better service out of them than the rest of us.  BTW, I see you're in 
>Michigan...for all I know Mondello may have a spot in Lansing for the 
>Centennial.  Also, Dick Miller Racing in Jackson was Mondello's East Coast 
>distributor until about two months ago.  You might check with them, too.  
>Good luck!
>
>>First, thank you Peter Small for you insightful mail. Second, does
>>anybody know if Mondello is on the web? If not, can I get a phone# to
>>call and order a catalog?
>>-- 
>>**********************************
>>Matt Cremean
>
>>
>
>
>Mike Evans
>Richland, MI
>evans1@net-link.net
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:25:59 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> 
> At 10:00 AM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >I don't own a Delta88 but I do have a '65 Jetstar I 88.  I guess that
> >might count.  I agree that there is not nearly enough 88/98 discussion
> >here.
> >
> >Rick Anderson
> >Clarkston, MI
> >'65 Olds Jetstar I
> 
> I think that _all_ 88's should count!  That includes Supers, Dynamics,
> Jetstars, Delmonts, and Deltas.  Plus the plain "88"s and current
> "Eighty-Eights" and the earlier "Rocket 88s" and "88 Holidays" from the '50s.
> 
> HOWEVER, Rick!  A Jetstar I is just that.  There was no such thing as a
> "Jetstar I 88" (at least as far as I'm aware.  I used to own a '64 Jetstar
> 88.)  There was a separate "Jetstar 88" in '64, '65, and '66 that was
> distinct in several ways from the Jetstar I.
> 
> The Jetstar I was and is more closely associated with the Starfire.  In
> fact, there is a Starfire/Jetstar I chapter in OCA.
> 
> Dan
> 
> ************************************************
> Dan Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> ************************************************
Technically it is called a Jetstar I without any reference to an 88, but
it is an 88 chassis and is insured and I believe also titled as a "1965
Oldsmobile Jetstar I 88"  Sorry.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:00:39 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: brake pedal problem

Hey Erik,

Thanks for the two cents!  Yes I checked all that except for actually taking 
out the manifold fitting, (which I'll do).

Do you know if there is a way to test the check valve?  (that plastic valve 
that plugs into the booster, and is connected to the manifold hose)?

Thanks again!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

============================================================================
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com> wrote:
>Just thought I should add my 2 cents.  This might be too obvious, but have
>you checked the vacuum hose from the manifold to the booster and the
>fitting on the manifold??  It could be clogged or cracked.
>
>All according to the automotive theory that you check things in order from
>cheap to expensive, not the other way around.  Although, I have been known
>to ignore that wisdom from time to time myself.
>
>Erik Nowacki
>72 Vista Cruiser
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:35:34 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

Jason Labay wrote:
> 
> evans1@serv01.net-link.net wrote:
> >
> > Matt,
> >
> > The Mondello web site is at http//webs.tcsn.net/mondello/.  Phone number is
> > (805) 237-8808.  Don't expect your catalog for a while, unless you get
> > better service out of them than the rest of us.  BTW, I see you're in
> > Michigan...for all I know Mondello may have a spot in Lansing for the
> > Centennial.  Also, Dick Miller Racing in Jackson was Mondello's East Coast
> > distributor until about two months ago.  You might check with them, too.
> 
> Mondello made it well known....more than once...at the Mondello Olds
> Nationals a few weeks back that Dick Miller is no longer affiliated with
> him ;-) He couldn't have stressed it enough. Joe was real cool in
> person. I even got to have a picture taken with me sandwiched inbetween
> him and Linda Vaughn ;-) Linda's probably old enough to be my grandma,
> but she still looks good.
> 
> ********
> Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
> Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
> 1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
> 1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
> 1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project
> 1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck
Guys,

Linda will probably look good when she's been dead 20 years. (Hopefully
the dead part won't happen for a long time.  Like many in my age group,
40-50, I remember drooling over her picture a time or two in the 60s and
70s.  (All in good clean letcherism obviously.)  Sometimes I wish the
"good old days" were an available option.  Life was much simpler when
you could be happy with a fast car, good companionship, hot pizza, cold
drink and a drive in movie worth going to.  Back then I didn't have as
much, but it sure was fun.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:46:59 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: 68 Delta Custom`

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 68 Delta Custom`
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 1997 12:03 PM
> 
> BTW, I notice there's a fellow with a '68 Delta 2-door with a classified 
> on Bryce's page looking for a rear bumper. I mention it because he's here

> in Halifax and I wouldn't mind helping him out, though I don't know him 
> and have never seen the car. Anyone got a line on one of these?
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
> 
>I have a 68 4 dr parts car that still has both bumpers on it.I would be
glad to part with either or both. 
I will have to look but I think they are pretty good.
Walter Jones
jones@morgan.net

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:08:27 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Alternator Conversion Plan

I didn't get a peep out of the list yesterday on this item. Thought I'd try
again in hopes that someone can give me some guidance on converting my
externally regulated harness to an internally regulated one.

I'm not so confindent of my electrical skills as I used to be...

thanks
cf

Current conversion plan, what should I change?

1) connect #1 alternator terminal to charging light and accessory position
of
   keyswitch.
2) connect #2 alternator terminal to BAT alternator terminal
3) connect BAT heavy gauge alternator wire as with old harness
3) eliminate old white #2 regulator wire
4) eliminate old red 3# regulator wire

Adapted Bob Valentine's good ASCII art:


           |------------------- To charging light via #4 regulator brown wire
           |                    also to acc position of keyswitch
           |
           |    |-------------- Jumped to BAT on the alternator
      - - -|- - |- - -
    -      *    *      -
  -        1    2        -      Back view of 10/12SI
 -   *                    -
  -   BAT --------------------- Heavy guage red lead into the harness
    -                   -
      - - - - - - - - -


In comparing the harnesses, I've noticed that Olds used two different
wire sizes to the key switch in 66 98's. Isn't that strange? Do you think
that's related to my problem here?

How do pull the thicker line and spade connector out of the plastic
keyswitch connector. Rather not have yet another soldered/heat
shrinkwrapped lead...

Many thanks for your time and attention,

cf

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:11:54 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Old(s) home movies

Andrew C. Green wrote:

> >I've spent about the last two weeks, one and off, going through some
> of
> >our old home movies, getting ready to transfer them to videotape
> before
> >they're gone forever.
>
> ...and with the right software you could also transfer them to
> MPG, MOV or AVI files, too, and we could, say, download copies
> (or at least highlights) from your web page or Bryce's. The motion
> files can get a bit porky, but with some judicious editing they
> would still be a treasure.

If it at all matters, I have a pretty spiffy Video Capture Board and
some editing software and would more than love to hook this up for
everyone.  Not that it's gonna happen, but let me know if interested.  I
personally would love to see 'em!

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
- ------------------------------------
http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
- ------------------------------------
Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:41:40 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Lansing Accomodations Available

All,

We have a chapter member who is having health problems and can't make it
to Lansing.  They're room at the East Lansing Marriott is available from
8/19 - 8/23.  Rate is $78 a night.

Please contact me if you are interested.
717-866-2641 (no calls after 10 pm EST please)

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:13:17 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Car Rental

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> The gang of us heading to Lansing next week will probably want to rent a
> car at the airport. We originally weren't going to bother but figure that
> if any of us buy any amount of stuff that it would come in handy, plus we
> can go sightseeing or whatever. I just hope it isn't too late to reserve one.
> 
> Any recommendations or suggestions on ones to avoid? I had a bad
> experience with Alamo in Florida a few years ago so I probably would avoid
> them this time. Do any of the major chains rent Oldsmobiles there? Seems
> appropo to get an Olds... anyhow, thanks in advance!
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Reading from the Greater Lansing 1997 Official Visitors Guide:

Under the Car Rentals column:

University Oldsmobile (can you say AURORA?)
6420 S Cedar St, Lansing
517-393-5700

and

Story (Oldsmobile?) Incorporated
6420 S Cedar St, Lansing
517-393-0003

also:
Enterprise (I prefer them for a chain, deal with them on a daily basis
at work)
517-394-5575
517-374-2880
517-323-0611

Hertz (ask me about my $1200 Thunderbird bill sometime...)
517-321-1445 (they're at the airport)

National
517-321-6777 (they're at the airport, too)

Thrifty
517-372-8900

and, if all else fails,

Capital Chrysler Plymouth :p
517-323-6900

Hope this helps,

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:07:15 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I was just reading about the 80 W-30 and that Williamson Olds is
> still around (Thanks to Dan Hamlett). I was just wondering for those in
> the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
> Oldsmobile in Witchita. I was just wondering if they were still around,
> or if they were sold out to someone else, or even closed.  Apparently,
> they sold my 69 H/O new.
> 
> Mike Rothe

I don't know if they're still open today, but I have an owner's manual
from a '56 that was delivered from there.  Has the original owner's name
and car information typed on the service policy.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:13:37 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??

Andrew C. Green wrote:
 
> Barring a definitive answer from someone else, you could try calling
> either of these two and seeing if they know. (Recognize their address,
> perhaps?)
> 
>                         DAVIS-MOORE OLDSMOBILE, INC.
>                         6215 E KELLOGG
>                         WICHITA, KS 67218-1746
>                         Phone: (316) 685-0211
>                         Fax: (316) 685-3011

This is probably them.  I have an address of 1328 E Kellogg in my '56
owner's manual.  Maybe on of the Moore girls married a Davis?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 20:26:24 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Re: E-mail me if you will be in the caravan when it stops in tinley park!

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi e-mail me if you will be in or be joing the caravan at tinley park! I'm in
> the OCA and have a lot of good info and I don't know if I should drive my
> 1970 442 or my 70 w-31.

I'll be in the caravan.  Joining in Cedar Rapids Iowa.  Please e-mail me
back at dmwillia@cacd.rockwell.com instead of this address.  I'm working
on my car at night, and don't check this e-mail very often.

- -Dan

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Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:28:55 +0000
From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: SUGGESTIONS

Yes we have plans to make an aluminum head for the Oldsmobile 
engines. Mondello Performance and us have combined efforts to 
design a head. We should have them the first part of '98. 

We finnaly have confirmation!!!! Edelbrock is making an aluminum Head 
for the OLDS big block!!!! The angles have finally blessed our 
beloved OLDS!

Ben
'62 Olds F-85
'68 Olds 442

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:42:17 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Olds in Miniature

Got this from my web site:
==============================
Subject: Scale Model OLDSMOBILES!!!!
  Date:  Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:58:58 -0700
  From:  Jay Engel <clcrssw@amug.org>
    To:  brad442@erols.com


Brad,
I'm writing about a couple of things that might interest OCA
members...OLDS in MINIATURE!!! I'm a BCA member, as well as a Riviera
Owner's Association member, and a GS Club participant... and an avid
collector of GM carsa in scale....

DANBURY MOINT of Norwalk, Ct., has introduced an incredible 1/24 scale
metal replica of a '55 OLDS SUPER 88 CONVERTIBLE. Finished in Polar
White over Burlingame Red, with a red interior, the modle features an in
scale Rocket V8, fully wired and enhanced, a line trunk with aremoveable
spare tire, opening doors, and a fully articulated suspension system.
It's available for $105 via DM's 800-243-4664.

motor city usa HAS A '56 OLDS STARFIRE 98 CONVERTIBLE...available in 3
color combinations with a top up or down...in 1/43 scale, it's a litle
pricey at $250.00

In case any of youy might want to see these models BEFORE you plunk down
any money, you might want to plug into the D4C's Website
(http://www.gennera.com/diecast). You'll find the '55 OLDS SUPER 88 in
the REVIEW SECTION, complewte with a good photo of the model. We also
have a WISH LIST which is proving to be quite a hit with Car Club membes
because we're asking for OPINIONS as to what precision diecast cars
should be produced. We are NOT affiliated with either the Danbury or
Franklin Mints but, because of our size, have been able to exercise some
influence on the subject matter of their products. I think OLDSMOBILES
are an important part of Americana; an icon of no small magnitude, and
we'd love to have feedback from your membership about wht we're doing
and which OLDSMOBILES they'd like to see in scale...

Thanks, in advance, for your help...pleas pass the word along....and if
you have any questions, please don't hesitate to drop a line. BTW, I'd
appreciate your checking out the '55 OLDS SUPER 88 on the website and
letting me know what you think about it!!! (I've bought 3 myself .....)
Jay Engel
===========================================

- -- 

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:57:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: tire size question

My '69 442 conv rides great w/o rubbing and I've also got the BFG245/60/14
tires . Front and rear, norubbing, look great.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:47:33 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Journey with Olds Auction

<RC   I've noticed a couple other people showing interest also,
 maybe you should have an open auction and let us bid for 
them....could be fun and you'd get the most for them in the
process.  I'm game if the rest are.....TIM>


So be it.  "LET THE BIDDINGS BEGIN!"

For anyone who just "joined us", I have past issues of the Oldsmobile 
Club of America's member magazine, "Journey with Olds" up for grabs.

All are in EC and include:

    ISSUE                       FEATURES          
======================================================================
January 1995 - North TX chapter show, "Oldsmo-murder of the Oldsmo-tel"

April 1995 - Starfire & Jetstar Article, Frontwheeling w/Toro & Aurora

November 1994 - 1973 4-4-2, Northern Nationals, Saga of an Oldsmobile

December 1993 - Toro ads, twin 1956 starfires, matching #s on Hursts

September 1993 - 93' Nat. winners, 57' Fiesta station wagon

August 1993 - 61' versus 71' cutlass, southern style Olds hunting

July 1993 - Olds Marine Irrigation Motors,  Factory limited rides again

May 1993 - 1965 cutlass 4-4-2, Big Ad section

April 1993 - 1949 Rocket 88 coupe, The forgotten Omega

February 1993 - 1961 super 88, police test the Pomona, OH show

January 1993 - little bits of everything

December 1992 - more little bits of everything

October 1992 - 1972 mistake cutlass, Ode to an almost 4-4-2

September 1992 - 1964 F-85 cutlass, 105 H.P. Big Six Engine

August 1989 - National winners, Mike Furman explains early W-30s

July 1989 - TX junkyard trip, to the Can-Am Nats in a 67' W-30

June 1989 - Bielinski's Starfire, 1957 98 covt.


Free delivery is available Friday, August 22nd & Saturday the 23rd in 
Lansing MI.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:43:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: tire size question

In a message dated 97-08-11 15:03:47 EDT, you write:

<< > My car is an 81 Cutlass Supreme I don't know if yours has wider/taller
 > wheel wells.
 
 That is a good question.  My car in question is a 1968 4-4-2.  Anyone
 here
 on the list can answer this.
  >>
I have BFG TA 275-60-15s on the back of my 68 Chris and have 
no problem with them...TIM

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:55:35 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: tilt wheel help

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:54:03 -0400
To: w30442CS@aol.com
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: tilt wheel help

Well I fiinally reached the four torx head screws and they were as loose as
a goose. Tightened em real good and use just a drop of loctite on each one.
Walla!!!; nice and tight steering column. Ive reinstalled evrerything
successfully up to the lock plate. It doesn't seem to want to compress
enough onto the shaft so that i can  reinstall the snap ring. im following
the keys on the plate and they match the shaft okay.  Whats the problem???

the manual says:  " If bearings are out of race , snap ring cannot be installed"
I manually installed both bearings into the housing by tapping them into
place using a hammer and wonder tool and made sure they were seated. Should
these be machine installed and does the bearing nearest the lock plate need
the race to be machined pressed onto it??  I have this project licked to the
suprise of many of my friends but have run into this snag.  ANy help would
be appreciated..    


TIA

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:39:53 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Tech Service bulletins at a flea market

Scott,

What do the bulletins say about the FM radio reception.  I seem to have
a lot of trouble keeping stations tuned in.

Jeff

'70 442 Conv.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:06:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Automatic Car Watch

OLDsmobile historians,


I have a question regarding a clock/watch that recently turned up in my
fathers garage while he was cleaning it out. From the description I hope
someone will be able to give me its origin.

He has what is self described as an automatic car watch.  He believes the
watch is from a 40's or 50's Oldsmobile.  It mounts in one of the spokes of
the steering wheel and is self wound as the steering wheel is turned.  The
diamater is ~2.5 in. with a silver face and all gold lettering.  The watch
appears to have been manufactured by a swiss company by the name of MAAR.
The MAAR logo forms a crown and is on both the front and back of the watch.
The hands are teal blue and the protective facing appears to be plastic.
(May/may not have been replaced)   

Did Oldsmbobile in fact equip its cars with such an item?  My father has had
this piece for over 30 years and was wondering what it is worth??  Since he
does not have the steering wheel, thus no need for the watch, he will
probably sell it.  

Any info would be greatly appreciated.


Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:17:12 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Bob Moore Oldsmobile??

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I was just reading about the 80 W-30 and that Williamson Olds is
> still around (Thanks to Dan Hamlett). I was just wondering for those in
> the Witchita, KS area can confirm or deny the presence of Bob Moore
> Oldsmobile in Witchita. I was just wondering if they were still around,
> or if they were sold out to someone else, or even closed.  Apparently,
> they sold my 69 H/O new.
> 
> Mike Rothe
I'll check on that too, in not in my branch but I can find out.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 23:25:28 -0500
From: Chris Hollingsworth <hollings@midcoast.com>
Subject: Re:70 442 W31 For Sale

Etzel, Bobby wrote:

 "Here is a 70 442 W-31 that is for sale. It came from Classified2000.
 Someone might want to check it out."

The 70 Cutlass S W-31 was a cutlass, but if it is a true W-31 it is a
very rare find.  The W-31 was the least known of the W cars.  It had to
compete against it's big block buddies and it came up short.  Only 1,029
were built in 1970.  Here are the "spotter tips" for a true 1970 Cutlass
S W-30.  1) Same special 350ci engine as used in 1969 W-31. 2) Same Ram
Air hood used on 1970 W-30  3) Number 6 cast on front of left cylinder
head and rear of right cylinder head.  4) Manual brakes only  5) Letter
"M" (for Lansing in the VIN  6) Diecast W-31 emblems located in the same
location as the 1970 W-30  7) A special high speed harmonic balancer  8)
Must have "black" plastic fenderwells.  If all these things check out it
is a rare find!!

Chris
70 442 Convt.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 22:23:45 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Automatic Car Watch

Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:
> 
> OLDsmobile historians,
> 
> I have a question regarding a clock/watch that recently turned up in my
> fathers garage while he was cleaning it out. From the description I hope
> someone will be able to give me its origin.
> 
> He has what is self described as an automatic car watch.  He believes the
> watch is from a 40's or 50's Oldsmobile.  It mounts in one of the spokes of
> the steering wheel and is self wound as the steering wheel is turned.  The
> diamater is ~2.5 in. with a silver face and all gold lettering.  The watch
> appears to have been manufactured by a swiss company by the name of MAAR.
> The MAAR logo forms a crown and is on both the front and back of the watch.
> The hands are teal blue and the protective facing appears to be plastic.
> (May/may not have been replaced)
> 
> Did Oldsmbobile in fact equip its cars with such an item?  My father has had
> this piece for over 30 years and was wondering what it is worth??  Since he
> does not have the steering wheel, thus no need for the watch, he will
> probably sell it.
> 
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Kevin Hoopingarner
> '70 Olds 442 W-30
> Findlay OH.

Hmmm these things are comming out of the woodwork all of a sudden.
Second post in a month on the same item.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 19:40:38 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: Re: Mondello?

FYI, I ordered some more parts from Mondello's today and was told he is
scheduled to be a speaker at Lansing. Did I miss that on the activities
calender? Anyone know any more about this?

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue, modified 455), '67 4-4-2 (white, original
un-restored), '67 4-4-2 Convertable, original un-restored

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