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oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 23 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 729

Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?
Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?
RE:Temp Gauge Blues
Car show
Re: Temp Gauge Blues
IDing Engine
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª728
Re: '64 Starfire f/s
307 Rebuild parts
Re: Opportunity
Re: Back in The Saddle Again..
AUCTIONS: New Search Engine, Fast & Free, Find Auctions Anywhere
Re: Junkyard Visit
Does this make sense?
Re: Junkyard Visit
Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door
Re: [Toro] AUCTIONS: New Search Engine, Fast & Free, Find Auctions Anywhere
Re: Does this make sense?
anybody else make heads?
Re: Overheating 455
Dyno places (was Overheating 455)
Re: anybody else make heads?
tire pressure
1965 330 engine
I need rims
Need Dual Gate Cable
Back From the Kudzu
Re: ConcerningTH400 was 442=541
Re: tire pressure
Re: 1965 330 engine
Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?
Re: [Toro] AUCTIONS: New Search Engine, Fast & Free, Find Auctions Anywhere
67 Olds stuff
Toro GN/BN
Re: Antenna Mast
Re[4]: 68 cutlass question
Re[2]: Legal Problems
Re: Back From the Kudzu
Lamb's Farm Auto Show
Who wanted T-tops??
'70's 88/98 Convertible
72 Cutlass S
Re: Does this make sense?
Re: anybody else make heads?
Re: anybody else make heads?
Re: 72 Cutlass S
Re: 1965 330 engine
Re: Back From the Kudzu
FWD: Olds For Sale On Internet

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 10:52:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>
> Does anyone know what if ANY difference there is between a 1966
> convertibles chasis frame and a 67's?  The reason I ask is I was told
> that the only difference is bolt on vs. press in coil springs.  Is this
> true?

 I put a 1966 frame under my 1967 442 Convertible.  As far as I can tell
there are
no differences.

Ken

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:02:52 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?

At 10:52 AM 6/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know what if ANY difference there is between a 1966
>> convertibles chasis frame and a 67's?  The reason I ask is I was told
>> that the only difference is bolt on vs. press in coil springs.  Is this
>> true?
>
> I put a 1966 frame under my 1967 442 Convertible.  As far as I can tell
>there are
>no differences.
>
>Ken

Ken

        There are NO differences. 64 and 65 cars were slightly different.
Unless someone read the VIN numbers in the chassis they would not know the
difference.

Jim Chermack
>
>

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:39:49 -0300
Subject: RE:Temp Gauge Blues

>
> I'm having a temperature problem with my '71 442 and was hoping for
> suggestions.
> I have a rallye pak, and the temp gauge always read 1/4, and would go up
> to 1/2 while sitting in traffic.  To help reduce the temp increase at
> low speeds I installed a fan shroud and 6 blade fan (OEM) with a clutch
> about a week ago.  At the same time I installed a new lower radiator
> hose and filled up the system (did not flush anything).  Since that time
> the temp gauge has been reading about 1/2 while driving at highway
> speeds, and has even approached 3/4 (doing 70 on a cool evening), but
> then dropped to about 1/2 while going through a parking lot.
> Just prior to this the car seemed to have lost some of its oomph (also
> lost about 2 quarts of ATF due to a cooling line leak).  I tuned it up
> today, and most of it came back..  The car has a 2 row radiator  (I
> know, "Get a four row") and a 180 degree thermostat.  I'm planning on
> putting in a 160 degree thermostat tomorrow.  Also, a friend has an
> almost new 2 row radiator out of a '70 GS that I can put in and see if
> it helps (i.e. - confirm or deny that my radiator has a problem).  Also,
> the fan clutch that I put on was from a boneyard, but I can't see how a
> fan shroud and fan clutch would have any effect on the temp at 70mph.
> BTW, does anyone have a simple way of "calibrating" the temp gauge in a
> rallye pak?  I don't know that 1/4 really is 180 degrees, nor do I know
> whether the difference between 1/4 and 1/2 is 5 or 25 degrees.
>
> Thanks
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

Kurt,

My 70 442 with Rallye Pack, 3 row radiator, and a 160 degree thermostat reads
just shy of a 1/4 on a cool night and will rise to around 1/2 in traffic on
a hot day.

Scott Jerdan
70 442 W-30

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 12:49:03 -0300
Subject: Car show

Just went to the AACA show that Doug Kitchener mentioned.  I saw three
beautiful Oldsmobiles; a 68 H/O, a 69 H/O, and a 71 W-30 4-spd convertible.
All of these cars were in great shape and a pleasure to look at.
Unfortunately their flea market area didn't have much stuff.

Happy Oldsmobiling
Scott Jerdan
70 W-30 442

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From: STemple909@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:21:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Temp Gauge Blues

Check to make sure that your water pump is good first, coolant mix second,
and third that your hoses are'nt collapsing (i.e. they have a spring in
them).

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From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:39:25 -0300
Subject: IDing Engine

I just pulled the engine outta my 81 CS here's the number K0325D9B
can anyone tell me if it's original or what the engine is.
thanks
tim

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From: "Mike Tomkins" <mike.t@ukonline.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 13:52:54 -0300
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª728

Hi - I'm gonna have to unsubscribe from the list I'm afraid, but due to a
hard-disk crash (or three) have lost all details of how to do so - can
somebody please tell me or unsubscribe me?

Cheers

- ---
Mike

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From: mapsrus@juno.com (Brett J Lucas)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:41:52 -0300
Subject: Re: '64 Starfire f/s

What color is the starfire....

Thanks,

Brett

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From: Tom & Jodie Martin <tmartin@genevaonline.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:11:45 -0300
Subject: 307 Rebuild parts

Where is the best place to get rebuild parts for a 307 Olds?  I need the
full floating pistons in the 85 and up "Y" motor.  I need .030 pistons.

Can anyone point me to the right direction.

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 15:31:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Opportunity

Sounds decent enough and well equipped enough to be restored, or at least
"returned to the living" - any price up to $1000 would seem reasonable.

David Wilk
ex 68 442 convertible
ex 68 442 hardtop
ex 69 442 Sport Coupe

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 14:31:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Back in The Saddle Again..

Bill Culp wrote:

>>Of course you are a lucky man.  Little is  more satisfying than to see
>>someone be thrilled over an accomplishment.  Congratulations & just
>>enjoy.  I probably didn't have to say that at all.

Thanks Bill.  I am not only glad to have the opportunity to purchase such a
fine automobile, but being able to share the experience  with the list is
even more fulfilling.  :-)
 ------------------------------
Re: Back in The Saddle Again..
Lisa Madsen wrote:

>>I don't think anything can beat that "YES" that runs through your head
>>with the car for sale with the right price.  CONGRATULATIONS
>>(although we're kinda jealous).

Thanks Lisa.  After going by to look at it, I thought at times I was
dreaming, because the whole scenario was too perfect!  Here it was, another
story of a guy who lives out in the country, and really didn't know what he
had, and how much it was worth.  And I have had dreams that I was behind the
wheel of my old 4-4-2 again.  It was just too perfect.  I'm still in total
disbelief that it is sitting in my driveway now, and totally paid for!
    BIG :-)

>>P.S.  Any chance your wife caught the dance on video for Lansing??

Nope, but don't worry, I'll be doing the "Bull dance" for years to
come..."feelin' the flow...Feelin' it"
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Re: Back in The Saddle Again..
   66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike wrote:

>>Cool!  I know the feeling.  I sold my first 66 Toro in 1973
>> and bitched about until I bought the second one in 1990.
>>Congrats!

Thanks Mike!  Then you know the feeling too!  It's hard to describe that
emptiness to someone that has never made that mistake.  I knew I would have
another someday, but I never realized it would be so soon.  They say, "There
is no time like the present."  How true.  Remember when I was down in
Florida, and I hooked up with you and Bob?  Well, the "new" 4-4-2 looks
almost identical to those pictures I showed you of my old 4-4-2.  It is not
in nearly as good of shape (yet), but in time it will probably pull in more
trophies than the first because of it being all original.

>>(Hmmm...  That was a Friday post.  Not a word
>>from Jeff yet?  Must be cruzin' the new baby.)

Not yet.  Yesterday I spent tuning it up, and today I still  have some left
to do like the points and a few minor things.  It still needs to be
licensed, so I'll have to be careful about cruising it until it is licensed.
 I have to get it to pass inspection first though, but I might take it to
someone "special" for that (if you know what I mean) ;-)

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Re: Back in The Saddle Again..
Paul Pate wrote:

>>Great story!  I bet it took some guts to leave it there without
>>making a deal!  Olds fever strikes again!

You're right, it was VERY tough to leave it there.  And usually I would have
been ok to let it go for a day or two, but I started thinking about how many
times I kicked myself in the butt for selling the first one, and then
thought about how many times I would have to kick myself in the butt for
letting this one slip away.  Somehow I knew that he would jump on it  if I
would offer him just $250.00 more.  I was right and he did....Check mate!
I like that old slogan:
"There is a special feel in an Oldsmobile!"
Darn straight!

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Re: Back in The Saddle Again..
djv442@aol.com wrote:

>>congrats on your purchase...sounds like a good deal to me

Thank you much!

....happy motoring

Yep!!!   :-)

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Re: Back in The Saddle Again..
Karl Aune wrote:
>>Congratulations!

>>"69 dude!" ----'Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure'

"It will be mine...oh yes, it will be mine" --- 'Wayne's World'

Thanks Karl!
 ------------------------------

Thank you for all your responses.  I am going to go out now and finish
tuning her up.

Type to ya soon,

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible (and the "NEW" '69 4-4-2)

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From: AuctionSeek/AuctionFind <seek-admin@auctionseek.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 14:40:58 -0300
Subject: AUCTIONS: New Search Engine, Fast & Free, Find Auctions Anywhere

If you're interested in finding auctions or auctioneers on the Web, either
the online kind (where you place your bids by email or on their web page)
or the "conventional" kind (where you attend the auction and give your
bids to the auctioneer) ...

Drop by our new (and free)  Worldwide Auctions Search Service at
http://www.auctionseek.com.

And if you're an auctioneer or run an online auction site, drop me a note
and I'll tell you how to use AuctionSeek/AuctionFind to your best
advantage.

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From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:13:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Junkyard Visit

evans1@serv01.net-link.net wrote:
>
> >
>
> BTW, just noticed the VIN translates as a '77 350 (though obviously not
> still a 350 if it has J heads).....do you recall if it had vertical ('76) or
> horizontal ('77) grille?  Little memory test for you....thanks for whatever
> info you have!
The former owner put the 455 engine in the car. As I said I spoke to him
while he was cleaning out his stuff. He could have had the car for the
$50.00 towing fee but he had no place to put it.
It had the vertical 'water fall' grills.
>

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From: Amy Zidell <amylzid@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 09:58:56 -0300
Subject: Does this make sense?

Hi,

My car is at the shop which was highly recommended.  Not my regular
one.  They've suggested some repairs and maintaince items.  Please share
your thoughts on if the work they are suggesting should be done and if
what they're saying makes sense, and any things I should be concerned
with.  You can e-mail me directly if you think the "list" should be
spared.... amylzid@concentric.net.

I''ve got a 72 Cutlass Supreme hardtop. I'll make the story short.  I'm
being told by a mechanic that the carburator has linkage modifications.
The carburator was put on about a year ago.  It's a four barrel, may be
a different year other than 72 and, it was re-built.  My old carburator
was not passing smog (I'm in California).  Now my car is using a lot of
gas and it smells of gas frequently.  (The mechanic who has the car now
is different from the one who put the re-built carb on).  The mechanic
who has the car says the top of the carb is wet.  Presumably gasoline.
Does this make sense?  Would the linkage need to be modified from stock
to pass smog? Or... did I get a bad re-built carb? I've noticed the gas
smell that last few months.  The car runs fine for the most part.  I
believe this guy's plan is to make the carb stock.  What are your
recommendations?

Also -- this mechanic said if I have not had the raditor rotted out
recently that's advisable to do.  I've had the car 3 years and have
never done that.  I'll check through the original repair records which I
have from original owner to see if it was done at all.  I'm told when
the rotting is done a new thermostat is put in. I'm being quoted $150
for the rotting, parts and labor.  Is this a good thing to do?

Also my valve cover gasket is supposedly leaking.  I know my car leaks
oil and there is some seepage around the beautiful gold valve covers.
Does that *have* to be from the gasket?  Could there be something
else?   Does replacing this gasket make sense?

They also suggested replacing my belts while this carb and gasket stuff
is done.  My belts are worn apparently.

Thanks for the space -- I appreciate you thoughts.

Best,

Amy Z.

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From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:09:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Junkyard Visit

evans1@serv01.net-link.net wrote:

> >
> Where are you located?  I may be interested in some or all of the
car....thanks! > Sorry, I should have put that in the post. I am located in
South Western NH. Near the Ma - Vt - NH boarder. A town called Richmond

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 18:38:10 -0300
Subject: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

We have just acquired a 69 Cutlass Supreme Holiday 4 door from Texas to part
out.
The drivetrain is spoken for but ALL body parts are mint condition.

LH Fender (no rust holes)  $450.00
RH Fender (same)  $450.00
Front Bumper (mint) $225.00
Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood (1970)  $125.00
Core Support (3 Row Radiator, nice)  $175.00
Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $200.00 pr
Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
Hood Chrome Moldings (very nice)  $130.00pr
Trunk Lid (mint) also for Conv.  $200.00
Vacuum Power Trunk setup  $50.00
Column Shift Tilt Wheel  $110.00
Sport Steering Wheel (gold)  $100.00
Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
Fender Eyebrow Moldings  (nice)  $60.00 pr
Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
Front and Rear Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea
14x6 SSII Wheels (set of 4, nice)  $160.00 set
C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
Driver Side Remote Mirror (nice)  $75.00
LH Quarter Panel  (mint)  $225.00
RH Quarter Panel  (mint)  $225.00

        These parts are all extemely nice.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500
Virginia Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:15:01 -0300
Subject: Re: [Toro] AUCTIONS: New Search Engine, Fast & Free, Find Auctions
Anywhere

As one of the administrators of a list your recently targeted, I have to
tell you that I really didn't appriciate your spamming the Toronado list
and the Oldsmobile list.  I would suggest you not try it again.  To annoy
a membership of over 400 members is to invite a whole lot of return-spam.

Please make a note of it.

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:51:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Does this make sense?

> Also my valve cover gasket is supposedly leaking.  I know my car leaks
> oil and there is some seepage around the beautiful gold valve covers.

Yeah, mine does that too. It seems like it drips down from the VCs and
down to the Exh. Manifolds where it gets evaporated. I'm getting it
rebuilt this summer, so the guys at Larry's Car Care (over 30 years or
faithful service to the Cremeans) should be able to do something about
it. I'm also going to remove those Valve Covers and put on some chrome
ones with an Oldsmobile breather (cool!).

BTW- I checked the FAQ, it says that my engine should be blue? IT'S
GOLD! Is this right? Or, does this mean I have an improper engine in the
73? Please, help me!

- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
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CreamerSoft) Software
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+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:55:07 -0300
Subject: anybody else make heads?

Is there another parts company that makes heads for 350 Olds'? I think
the 403 heads option is a cool idea, but I want to see if I have any
other options.
- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft) Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 20:14:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Overheating 455

Walter,
           Thanks for the advise. My buddy was suppose to be at the car show
I was at today but he didn't show. I believe the blower is underdriven now
but not sure. I advised him he should have put it on a dyno to break it in
and check for problems but the $400 for a 1/2 day on the dyno was to much
money. I may call him tonight to see if he has made any headway and why he
wasn't at the show. I have another 67 442 body that I am considering putting
a blown 455 in but maybe not after all the problems he is going through.
Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:22:25 -0300
Subject: Dyno places (was Overheating 455)

SRB442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Walter,
>            Thanks for the advise. My buddy was suppose to be at the car show
> I was at today but he didn't show. I believe the blower is underdriven now
> but not sure. I advised him he should have put it on a dyno to break it in
> and check for problems but the $400 for a 1/2 day on the dyno was to much
> money.

Cool, I didn't know Joe Shmoe was allowed to rent a Dyno. Anybody from
MI know of a good place?

- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft) Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:00:30 -0300
Subject: Re: anybody else make heads?

> Is there another parts company that makes heads for 350 Olds'? I think
> the 403 heads option is a cool idea, but I want to see if I have any
> other options.

Edelbrock is developing 400-455 Olds heads now to be released early '98,
but I don't think that they have plans for 350 heads.  You can e-mail them
at edelbrock@edelbrock.com and ask them if you'd like.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: "STEVEN METH" <HORIZON23@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:29:47 -0300
Subject: tire pressure

What is the proper tire pressure for a 1985 olds regency? I have michelin
tires ªxw4's. await your reply. Thanks!

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From: Ryan Hehn <ryanh@docker.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:30:29 -0300
Subject: 1965 330 engine

In our local paper there is a 1965 Olds F-85 for sale.  Apparently the
car was recently restored, including a rebuild of the 330 (listed at 300
HP).  Also included are a set of Radial TA's.

Anyway, the car has been written off and the owner wants to sell it for
$500.  This sounds like a good price for even just a rebuilt 330, so I'm
kind of tempted.

Would the 330 be suitable for my '81 Cutlass Supreme?  I'm assuming it
would use the same motor mounts as a 455.. Please correct me if I'm
wrong.  Also, my dad tells me that these 330's required the old premium
gas... If this is the case, would it need octane booster at every fill?

Thanks in advance,

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

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From: chips4@worldnet.att.net
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 21:38:39 -0300
Subject: I need rims

Hey there this is Dave.  I am looking for some original rims for a 1985
442 with the 442 caps and the gold trim.  I have been looking around for
awhile and I just can not find any.  If anyone has any for sale or know
someone who is elling them please let me know.  I found a couple in a
junkyard but the chrome was all rusted off.  Does anyone now if
rechroming is a good idea?  If so, how expensive is it?  Thanks.

Dave
85 442

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:09:40 -0300
Subject: Need Dual Gate Cable

Does anyone have a cable for the Dual Gate they'd like to part with.
Mine went south today.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:23:55 -0300
Subject: Back From the Kudzu

Just thought I'd post a quick note to let folks know that I've returned
from my trip to Virginia and I'm back in harness as admin here. Huge
thanks to Mike Frederick for handling the admin chores while I was away.
BTW, both Mike and I have responded to the auction spam of Sunday and
hopefully there will not be any further problem.

Virginia has to be one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. The
trees are just huge and unbelieveably pretty. The whole place is green
and lush. If you ever have a chance to visit the Williamsburg - Virginia
Beach area, I'd highly recommend it. While I was there, I was hosted by
Jim Chermack on Saturday and we checked out some Olds places and saw lots
of interesting stuff. He treated me great and I'd like to publicly thank
him and his wife Joanne for their hospitality (and the great food and
drink too!!). He tells me he's going to get a web page to list his Olds
parts in the near future, which should be a nice addition. I picked up a
set of center caps from him while I was there, part of my next project
which is to refinish my SSII's. Incidentally, Jim's 70 SX is a really
strong car too! My neck is still sore... ;-)

Of course, it seems that whenever I go to one of these places in the
U.S., all I see are nice older Oldsmobiles that you would never find
here. Rust free, of course. Needless to say, I still haven't found a good
cheap used car to drive on a daily basis, but if I lived there I would
have my pick of almost whatever I wanted. I half-seriously mentioned to
Jim that I should go into business bringing rustless used cars up here
from down south. I think a few bucks could be made at that effort.

Finally, I couldn't let this pass without mentioning that without
exception, the locals we encountered down there were incredibly friendly
and welcoming, both those working the conference (the real reason I was
there) and the others we encountered in our daily travels. Both my
travelling companions and myself were impressed by the genuine warmth of
the folks down there. I guess there is something to the old term,
"southern hospitality"!

Time to get back in the ol' swing of things...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(PS: "Kudzu", I learned, is the vine that grows around tree trunks in the
south... another thing us uncivilized northerners were ignorant about!)

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From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:26:34 -0300
Subject: Re: ConcerningTH400 was 442=541

>As per earlier enlightenment by Dr. Bob
>(BTW an honorary member of T.H.O.R.!) TH400 was the _only_ automatic
>transmission available during the general time period including 1965.

Goodness, I feel like a broken record!!  The TH400 was only available on full
sized Oldsmobiles during the 1965 and 1966 model years.  All Cutlass/F85/442
cars and some full sized cars during that time period were equipped with a
two speed automatic known as Jetaway if they had an automatic transmission.
 The Jetaway was not a TH400 and should never be confused as one.

Check any Olds service manual from the period, or any sales literature to
verify what I am saying!

What could be causing the confusion is the fact that the TH400 was offered in
different "stages of tune" (valve body programming, clutch pack construction,
etc.) depending on application.  But again, none of those applications were
for the smaller cars until the 1967 442s!

 Elephant Engine Ernie

 67-442 (4speed manual) ;-)
 50- 88  (4speed Hydramatic)

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From: Jim Fleeson <o455@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:36:46 -0300
Subject: Re: tire pressure

STEVEN METH wrote:
>
> What is the proper tire pressure for a 1985 olds regency? I have michelin
> tires ªxw4's. await your reply. Thanks!

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDIN'
Thats Not Even A Logical Question,


JIM <<<<<OHIO>>>>>

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:47:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 330 engine

Ryan Hehn wrote:
>
> In our local paper there is a 1965 Olds F-85 for sale.  Apparently the
> car was recently restored, including a rebuild of the 330 (listed at 300
> HP).  Also included are a set of Radial TA's.
>
> Anyway, the car has been written off and the owner wants to sell it for
> $500.  This sounds like a good price for even just a rebuilt 330, so I'm
> kind of tempted.
>
> Would the 330 be suitable for my '81 Cutlass Supreme?  I'm assuming it
> would use the same motor mounts as a 455.. Please correct me if I'm
> wrong.  Also, my dad tells me that these 330's required the old premium
> gas... If this is the case, would it need octane booster at every fill?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ryan Hehn
> ryanh@docker.com
Let me get this straight, this guy is seeling a 65 F-85 with the 310 HP
330 in it RESTORED for 500 bucks and YOU wanna know if you can put the
330 in an 81 CS?????  Your kidding, RIGHT???  Your FUNNY.
Man....ANYWAY, no the 310 hp version did NOT require premium, the 320 hp
version did.  You should be able to get by with 92 octane pump gas.
- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 22:38:07 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 vs. 67 Convertible chasis frames?

>         There are NO differences. 64 and 65 cars were slightly different.
> Unless someone read the VIN numbers in the chassis they would not know the
> difference.
>
> Jim Chermack

BEAUTIFUL!  Thank you..  Then it looks like I found a rust free frame
for my 66 convertible for 350 bucks!  Less than 100 miles away too.  Man
did I ever luck out big time on that one.  Thanks


- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 17:34:01 -0300
Subject: Re: [Toro] AUCTIONS: New Search Engine, Fast & Free, Find Auctions
Anywhere

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> As one of the administrators of a list your recently targeted, I have to
> tell you that I really didn't appriciate your spamming the Toronado list
> and the Oldsmobile list.  I would suggest you not try it again.  To annoy
> a membership of over 400 members is to invite a whole lot of return-spam.
>
> Please make a note of it.
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

I know that I have & so possibly have others.  Here's hoping that the
Auction sender has.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: mwalker@hadco.com (Mike Walker)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:12:37 -0300
Subject: 67 Olds stuff

Everett,

Talked with you sometime ago about 67 Cutlass mouldings and the
 like. Have you sorted through ALL your piles of stuff yet ? Any chance
 of getting a list of what you have ? I have found the parts I needed
 but none of them are quite as nice as I would have liked. Hence, I am
 still in the market (depending on $$$$ as I am WAY over budget on this
 car ... ask my wife) for about anything.

Looking forward to your reply ...
Mike Walker

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:24:02 -0300
Subject: Toro GN/BN

Classic Good news/ Bad news:

Well, got the Toro running smoothly today. Easy fix, back to the basics. This
engine was lately fitted with HEI... I used a points distributor to match the
car... half the cylinders were dead. Pulled a plug, gee it's very wet, and the
gap is about 0.050"   Previous owner had half HEI gaps, half hammered down
smaller. Fresh set of plugs made a WORLD of difference.

OK, on to the brakes [or, lack thereof] issue... Hmmm, basics, is there any
fluid in the master cylinder? Yes, it's full.... of MUD-like substance. Out
she goes. Doesn't even look dismantleable, let alone rebuldable, so I guess a
newish one will be fitted. Hope the gunk isn't in all the wheel cylinders,
too.

Moves under her own power now anyhow, just gotta judiciosly move her, using R
& D to bring her to the desired position & park her. Closer! - -- Chris  B.
Witt wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 1997 23:50:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Antenna Mast

I just ordered a mast assembly from Dennie Turner in Florida.  He handles
mostly Ch*vy stuff but has advertised in Hemmings for a long time.  He
has an ad in the "O" parts section.  Phone No. 352-245-8346.  Seems like
a real straight/honest person.  Give him a try

Tom Adams

On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Robert Nevins wrote:

> I'm still looking for an antenna mast for a 1964 F-85 Cutlass.  I checked
> with each dealer at the Oldsmobile Anniversary swap meet last weekend
> without any luck.  Is there anyone out there that can help?
> Robb Nevins
> nevinsr@voyager.net
> 1964 F-85 Cutlass 2 door Sports Coupe
> 1985 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
>
>

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:04:27 -0300
Subject: Re[4]: 68 cutlass question

Perhaps the only disadvantage to HEI: when it goes bad, the car is dead.
With points the car will start to run really crappy but usually make it home
or to the nearest auto parts store.

Othewise I love my HEI and wouldn't go back.

Greg Pruett

     Oh, so true!  I once had an aftermarket electronic ignition installed
     in my point-type distributor.  When the electronics failed on me while
     on the road (keep in mind this was _not_ a factory setup, thus parts
     were not readily available), I was able to score a set of points from
     the local auto parts store.  I ripped out the electronics, installed
     the points, set the gap (dwell) with a match book cover, and that was
     sufficient to get the car running and get me home.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:09:00 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Legal Problems


Erik Sez:

< Some of the CA statutes snipped>

> EXCEPT if there was no belt required by law when the car was sold.  Ergo, no
 > seatbelt was required for the center passenger when the car was sold, >
therefore the seatbelt requirement does not apply.

Tim (the dreamer) Churchill chimed in:

FWIW, the law in MA is similar; i.e., no retrofit of seatbelts is required...

     Sorry, guys, but as I noted previously, all bench seat A-bodies from
     65-on came from the factory with three seat belts in the front when a
     bench seat was installed.  Yes, it is true that retrofits are not
     required, however neither is the removal of the factory belts allowed
     if you intend to use that center position for seating.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:23:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Back From the Kudzu

Greg and All,

        I would like to thank Greg for the nice post. Wish you did live down
here we'd have a blast. I would like to extend an invetation to anyone on
the list coming to the area. Greg didn't ttell all though. We almost got
rained out Saturday night so there weren't too many nice cars at our hangout
to look at. Greg you missed on hot weekend. 95 degrees an sunny. A bunch of
neat things at Jenro's. 84 Hurst/Olds with a diesel block and big block
heads with a 3 inch exhaust. Sounded nasty. We had 10 really nice Olds up
there. Well thanks again. Your welcome any time.

Jim Chermack

At 10:23 PM 6/22/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Just thought I'd post a quick note to let folks know that I've returned
>from my trip to Virginia and I'm back in harness as admin here. Huge
>thanks to Mike Frederick for handling the admin chores while I was away.
>BTW, both Mike and I have responded to the auction spam of Sunday and
>hopefully there will not be any further problem.
>
>Virginia has to be one of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. The
>trees are just huge and unbelieveably pretty. The whole place is green
>and lush. If you ever have a chance to visit the Williamsburg - Virginia
>Beach area, I'd highly recommend it. While I was there, I was hosted by
>Jim Chermack on Saturday and we checked out some Olds places and saw lots
>of interesting stuff. He treated me great and I'd like to publicly thank
>him and his wife Joanne for their hospitality (and the great food and
>drink too!!). He tells me he's going to get a web page to list his Olds
>parts in the near future, which should be a nice addition. I picked up a
>set of center caps from him while I was there, part of my next project
>which is to refinish my SSII's. Incidentally, Jim's 70 SX is a really
>strong car too! My neck is still sore... ;-)
>
>Of course, it seems that whenever I go to one of these places in the
>U.S., all I see are nice older Oldsmobiles that you would never find
>here. Rust free, of course. Needless to say, I still haven't found a good
>cheap used car to drive on a daily basis, but if I lived there I would
>have my pick of almost whatever I wanted. I half-seriously mentioned to
>Jim that I should go into business bringing rustless used cars up here
>from down south. I think a few bucks could be made at that effort.
>
>Finally, I couldn't let this pass without mentioning that without
>exception, the locals we encountered down there were incredibly friendly
>and welcoming, both those working the conference (the real reason I was
>there) and the others we encountered in our daily travels. Both my
>travelling companions and myself were impressed by the genuine warmth of
>the folks down there. I guess there is something to the old term,
>"southern hospitality"!
>
>Time to get back in the ol' swing of things...
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>(PS: "Kudzu", I learned, is the vine that grows around tree trunks in the
>south... another thing us uncivilized northerners were ignorant about!)
>
>

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 00:54:15 -0300
Subject: Lamb's Farm Auto Show

Anyone else on this list attend today's show?  I arrived late, so missed some
nice cars, but there were still some nice Olds there, 64 Jetstar, 72 Cutlass,
68 Cutlass S Convert (modified), 76 98 2 dr, 62 98 convertible (*very nice*),
and a bright red 50 4 door 88.  Among the non Olds cars, there was a great
group of Avantis, some lovely Pontiacs, a very beautiful and not often seen
53 Ford 2 door mild custom, a few GS Buicks caught my eyes and ears too.
 Overall, a great little and low key show that was good for families as the
Lamb's Farm activities kept the little ones busy (and sunburned too).

- - David Wilk
about to move back to CT from IL and still wanting
no *needing* a Vista Cruiser

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 01:56:50 -0300
Subject: Who wanted T-tops??

Someone last week was on here looking for 80's style t-tops if I
recall.  There was an ad in the paper for some today so I thought I
would pass it along:

               "Glass T-Tops for '84 Cutlass,  402-734-7066"

Hope this helps you out.
- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 02:07:12 -0300
Subject: '70's 88/98 Convertible


An early 70's 88/98 red convertible was the center of attention in the
movie "Things to do in Denver When You're Dead" (lame lame lame).  It was a
very nice car, and lovely that they chose Olds as the star of the show.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 03:38:54 -0300
Subject: 72 Cutlass S

Need some idea of approximate value of potential buy on a 72 S 2-dr.
Car has following options:

350 2-bbl, A/T, P/S, P/B (no discs), A/C (doesn't work), AM radio
(doesn't work), sport mirrors, wheel covers, manual windows.  Car does
not seem to have any special items, but is in generally good condition.
The only rust visible is around one of the rear wheel well mouldings.
Any other visible rust appears to be only surface in nature.  The car
has an excellent dash, good carpet, and excellent door panels.  The
windshield has no scratches and has a good hood and grill.  The bumpers
are good cores with minimal dents.  The tail lights are all cracked.
The car has approximately 82k on it and runs decent, no smoke, etc.  I
am looking at it as a sheetmetal parts donor for my 72 Hurst and my 70
Cutlass Supreme conv. and for misc under the hood firewall pieces for a
69 Cutlass S conv 350 4-bbl, 4-spd.  Can anyone tell me if these pieces
are usable for my intended purpose and, what would you think I should
offer for it.  Believe it or not, the people have owned this Cutlass for
25 years, have all the maintenance records and drive it still weekly to
keep everything working.  Any and all info would be greatly appreciated
quickly as I have to call the people Monday.  Thank you.

Don Sowers

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 06:59:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Does this make sense?

On Sun, 22 Jun 1997, Amy Zidell wrote:
> The carburator was put on about a year ago.  It's a four barrel, may be
> a different year other than 72 and, it was re-built.  My old carburator
> was not passing smog (I'm in California).  Now my car is using a lot of
> gas and it smells of gas frequently.

Sounds like they tried to force-fit a "generic" Q-jet in place of the
proper one and ended up modifying the linkage as a result. Plus, it
sounds like the rebuild wasn't done properly. See if you can find a nuber
on the carb and let us know, but my first reaction is to let your new
mechanic go ahead and make the switch back to stock.

<snip re. radiators>

Rodding out a rad is done to clear the tubes of corrosion buildup. May be
advisable, or may not be needed. It is fairly easy to do a visual check
by taking off the cap, lowering the coolant level so that the top of the
rad core is visible, and shining a light down there to look at the tubes.
The price doesn't see too outrageous, though. If nothing else, maybe a
good power flush and purge would be advisable just as a maintenance thing.

<snip re. valve cover gaskets and belts>

The VC gaskets are an easy swap. While they are not the only possibility
for an oil leak there, they are the most likely source. If the engine is
clean it should be easy to spot where the oil is coming from. As for the
belts, if they have been on there a while it akes sense to change them.
Just did that on my car, if fact, an easy job. Good insurance.

It doesn't sound to me like your new mechanic is trying to rip you off.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: daveleck@atlcom.net (David Leck)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:00:34 -0300
Subject: Re: anybody else make heads?

>Edelbrock is developing 400-455 Olds heads now to be released early '98,
>but I don't think that they have plans for 350 heads.  You can e-mail them
>at edelbrock@edelbrock.com and ask them if you'd like.

I'm fairly new to the list, but had heard this rumor before.  Did somebody
at Edelbrock finally confirm it?  I have asked every Edelbrock
representative I can find, and they all play dumb.

I am trying to decide what kind of work to do on my stock heads, but if
good aluminum ones are going to show up, I won't bother to touch the stock
ones.

Thanks,
Dave

daveleck@atlcom.net
www.atlcom.net/~daveleck/olds

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 08:48:03 -0300
Subject: Re: anybody else make heads?

Yes Edelbrock has confirmed it, but they have not specified the
engine applications that the heads will be for.  I recently wrote
edelbrock and they confirmed the fact that the Olds heads are on
their way!

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: STemple909@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 09:05:27 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass S

In slightly better condition you might get $800-$1000. I know, I have one
exactly like yours. I only paid $400 for it.

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:42:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 330 engine

Ryan Hehn wrote:
>
> Also, my dad tells me that these 330's required the old premium
> gas... If this is the case, would it need octane booster at every fill?

It might require some lead substitute. I put that in mine every 4 or 5
tanks.

- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft) Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 13:17:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Back From the Kudzu

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd post a quick note to let folks know that I've returned
> from my trip to Virginia and I'm back in harness as admin here. Huge
> thanks to Mike Frederick for handling the admin chores while I was
> away.

Obviously, he hasn't gotten the invoice yet...

> BTW, both Mike and I have responded to the auction spam of Sunday and
> hopefully there will not be any further problem.

BTW, if you rumage through their site, you'll come across the personal
email address of the president of the web company.  ;)

> I half-seriously mentioned to Jim that I should go into business
> bringing rustless used cars up here from down south. I think a few
> bucks could be made at that effort.

Hmmm...  (wheels turning)

> (PS: "Kudzu", I learned, is the vine that grows around tree trunks in
>  the south... another thing us uncivilized northerners were ignorant
>  about!)

Not just around tree trunks but right over the entire tree.  One of the
government's stupider mistakes.  It was originally imported from Africa
as a means to control erosion along highways due to its rapid growth.
Unfortunately, it liked the South -- thank you very much -- and grows
right over everything in its path.  It pretty wierd to see what used to
be a woodland covered by a green blanket of Kudzu.  Spooky lookin.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 1997 10:52:48 -0300
Subject: FWD: Olds For Sale On Internet

> From: icemans_gto <icemans_gto@geocities.com>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.rod-n-custom
> Subject: FS - 1975 Olds Delta 88 Convertable
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 1997 11:01:22 -0700
>
> I have a real clean 1975 Old's Delta 88 convertable for sale.
> Here's the bottom line, the price is $8500. The car is in the
> northern Illinois area.
>
> More details and a picture can be seen at:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/2346/


> From: Scott McCrae <tosco@sentex.net>
> Newsgroups: rec.autos.rod-n-custom
> Subject: 1975 Hurst/Olds for Sale
> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:56:14 -0400
>
> 1975 Hurst/Olds Cutlass for sale.  W30-455, A/C, White with Gold
> accents.  Rust Free U.S. car with 70,000 original miles.  All Hurst
> emblems intact.  White Swivel buckets and Hurst Hatch T-Roofs.  Asking
> $4000.00 U.S. funds...firm. Email for Quick response.  Call 519-843-6703
> and leave a message for Scott.

     -----------------------------------------------------------
     Nick Gomez       Dallas, Texas     Live Concert Tape Trader
     MSTieª 53344     Ska! Ska! Ska!      1965 Olds Ninety Eight

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