
oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 29 1997        Volume 01 : Number 775



Driving time from Athens, Ohio to Lansing
Re: LANSING LIST UPDATED!
Re: What's it worth, revisited...
Re: Re[2]: Toro List
Re: What's it worth, revisited...
ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
Re: What's it worth, revisited...
Mime-Version: 1.0
Re: Plastic for grilles
Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
71 olds 442 4-sale
Re: What's it worth, revisited...
Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31
More Olds Songs!
help
Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
Re: 
Re: 
Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
Re: 
Re: Hallmark Hurst Olds
Re:Cutlass info
Re: Introduction and question - Long
Re[2]: Plastic for grilles
Re:pix of silver olds wanted
Re: pix of silver olds wanted
Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!
Re: Tool Name?
Re: 76olds984sale
Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....
Current 4-door cars
Re: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!
Year One Exhaust Systems
Re: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!
Re: Current 4-door cars
Re: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....
Re: Year One Exhaust Systems
Re: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!
Re: Current 4-door cars
Re: 85cutlassproblems
Re: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....
Re: Year One Exhaust Systems
Re: 85cutlassproblems--done
Re: 
Rocket Circle Emblems For Sale (7/29)
Re: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....
What a Day for a Rocket Ride
Weatherstrip ?'s
Re: tic-toc-tac
Re: 
Re: Long trips and the big move
Re: Driving time from Athens, Ohio to Lansing
Re: Re[2]: Plastic for grilles
Re: Current 4-door cars
Re: 

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:07:22 -0400
From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Driving time from Athens, Ohio to Lansing

I have to take my son to look at Marietta and Ohio University.  Can anyone
tell me the driving time from around Athen, OH to Lansing and/or the
driving time from Lansing to Indianapolis as I am going home to see some
relatives.

Thanks,
Bill Pritchett
lewman@mindpulse.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:05:08 -0400
From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Re: LANSING LIST UPDATED!

Is anyone considering getting together downtown?  I will be in the Radisson
and may not be able to get out of there as I think they want us to leave
the cars there.  Anyone know about that; also, I think the flea market will
be there so if anyone is selling there, we could possibly get together
there.

Bill Pritchett
lewman@mindpulse.com

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> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: LANSING LIST UPDATED!
> Date: Monday, July 28, 1997 10:19 PM
> 
> 
> Hello everyone, well since I'm such a nice guy (Well....I like to think
> so!) I decided I'd type this entire list out one more time. I'd like to
> ask everyone who does not have a copy of this list to please print it
> out if you want it, it takes a very long time to type, thanx in advance, 
> 
> Cliff McFarlane 
> 62 Starfire conv
> 63 Starfire sport coupe	
> 
> Well here's the list:
> ________________________________________________________________________
>   NAME		       HOTEL	           DATE		  CAR
>   ====		       =====	           ====		  ===
> Adams, Tom	     Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta Convertible
> Allen, Joseph	     Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
> Beaulieu, Greg	     Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
> Bicker, Steve	     Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442	
> Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass, 70 W-30
> Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
> Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
> Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass Supreme
> Culp, Bill           Park Inn Int         8/21-24   62 Jetfire
> Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
> Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442	
> Glista, Nikki        Holiday West         8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard      Holiday West         8/19-24   68 442
> Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
> Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
> Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
> Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
> Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
> Kitchner, Doug       Holiday West         8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
> Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass 
> Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday West         8/19-24   63 Starfire coupe
> Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
> O'Connor, Peg        Holiday West         8/19-24   none
> Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
> Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
> Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
> Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
> Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
> Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
> Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
> Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
> Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
> Westlake, Steve      Holiday West         8/19-24   63 98
> Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
> Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
> Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
> ________________________________________________________________________
> LIST TOTAL = 49 People

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:07:53 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: What's it worth, revisited...

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 09:29 PM 7/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >1973 Buick LeSabre 4-dr hdtp, ...
> >...want $15000, cashier's check.

> Boy, even if that were a Delta 88, c'mon, a 4-door, 350-equipped '73?
> $15,000??? Even if he dropped it by $10,000, it would be more than I'd 
> pay for such a thing. 

> Would anyone here pay $15,000 for such a car, if it _were_ a Delta 88 
> (same options, 4-door, 350, etc.)?

Nope.  I wonder if he related to that guy here in Tampa who had that 
"restorable" Vega for sale for $2500.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:11:22 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Toro List

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> Hey, no fair...

(Ship of Andy's rationalization which sounded remarkably like
his rationalization for taking Checkers to the Humane Society)

> All right, I admit that none of the above has ever benefitted from 
> window tinting...  :-)

:)

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:18:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: What's it worth, revisited...

On Mon, 28 Jul 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> OK, folks, don't lynch me for straying into Buick territory, your
> Administrator started it!

Geez, I guess you're off the hook then... :)

> want $15000, cashier's check. 

All I can say is that I want peace on earth, a private fortune and a full 
head of hair. Doesn't mean I'm going to get it, though...

BTW, the original car sold last week. '75 Lesabre 4-door, loaded, 13K 
miles. Owner took $6K Canadian.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:19:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

Don't waste bandwidth complaining about this one, gang... It's been dealt 
with.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:17:23 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: What's it worth, revisited...

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 09:29 PM 7/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >1973 Buick LeSabre 4-dr hdtp, blk w/burgandy color, in storage 12 yrs,
> >has 8,000.  7,666 when gotten out of storage, one owner, perfect
> >body/radio, a/c, p/l, auto column, pb, 4-bbl 350 eng, needs driving, new
> >tires, perfect shape bumper to bumper, want $15000, cashier's check.
> >334-272-XXXX (number not published to protect the innocent), leave
> >message, will return call, Montgomery, AL.
> >
> >There ya go, Bill!
> >
> >Why, oh why, can't it be a Delta!
> 
> Boy, even if that were a Delta 88, c'mon, a 4-door, 350-equipped '73?
> $15,000??? Even if he dropped it by $10,000, it would be more than I'd pay
> for such a thing. I'd still rather have a 2-door, 455-powered Delta with
> 100,000 miles on it, than an 8,000 mile car like that. Just think what other
> cars you could get, Olds or Buick, for $15,000! That would buy a nice
> 455-powered convertible, of either make!
> 
> I still maintain that such a car has little intrinsic collector value,
> though it might be worth that much to someone for sentimental value. Also, I
> don't car how few miles it has on it; sitting that long, lots of rubber
> pieces are going to need replacing.
> 
> I'd like to know if anyone ever sells their cars for such prices.
> 
> Would anyone here pay $15,000 for such a car, if it _were_ a Delta 88 (same
> options, 4-door, 350, etc.)?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


If this were a Delta 88, I would fork over $3000.00 CDN, and nothing
more.  I get more pleasure of buying a 100,000 mile daily-driver, and
end up turning it into a show car, but that's just my personal opinion.

It was sitting for 12 years?  If the engine wasn't fogged or stored in
some way, the parts would be rusted, and the gaskets/seals would be
sealing as well as a cork in the barrel of a .357 Magnum.  

What about the suspension?  Was the car on blocks?  Storing a vehicle
can be a risky process...that's why I'd rather buy a high-miler, but has
been used constantly.  That way, I've got a better idea of what I'm
buying.  Only 8,000 miles?  Are you sure he hasn't been playing with the
odometer, or driving w/ no speedo cable...

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 Chev Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:18:48 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0

I am looking for a Ram Air hood for my 1971 442 convertible. Can anyone
help? Also as I have just purchased this car and as yet an not that
knowledgeable, can anyone tell me where the factory tach was mounted. My
442 does not have one but I would like to add one. 
Thank You
Al Barlow
Maine

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:27:22 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic for grilles

Joe,

I'm pretty sure the grills were ABS.  I used "superglue" to repair mine,
but it didn't work that well.

Someone must make ABS glue.

Jeff.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:30:46 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

At 11:19 PM 7/28/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Don't waste bandwidth complaining about this one, gang... It's been dealt 
>with.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
Greg

        Thanks, we don't need it. Three weeks till Lansing. 

Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:31:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Subject: 71 olds 442 4-sale

>From local paper - I know nothing about cars:

1971 olds 442 will sell whole or will part out.

extra doors, fenders, 455 cu in motor - needs transmission

$1,500 complete.

715.879.4430 (WISCONSIN)

71 DELTA 88 CONVERTABLE
ORIGINAL 455 ROCKET EXCELLENT SHAPE - $4,500

715.833.0921

1970 OLDS CUTLASS CONV - NEEDS RESTORATION, EXCELLENT RUNNER $3.900
715.836.9176

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:29:03 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: What's it worth, revisited...

 Bob,

If I really wanted a car right now & didn't care what I paid for one, I'd
quickly spring for something like the '61 Starfire mentioned earlier.  I
can't afford such prices.  I would hate myself even if I could affford this
& agreed to such astronomical prices.

I just turned away from a 29,000 mi 1950 88 4-door in nice original shape.
It is located here in my town & has been for sale for a while.  The owners
wanted me to appraise it.  They had been getting offers of $2000 or less.  I
suggested $3000-&3500 as it didn't currently run & had been repainted in
laquer w/no buffing whatsoever.  The car is absolutely nice, w/very good
chrome & excellent interior.
Their price - $6500!

It is too bad that such nice cars aren't priced right (to match their type &
condition).  Some don't seeem to know that plain 4-doors - not the deluxe
Deltas, etc.-may never rise in price or desirability.  The '30's & 40's cars
are just getting some 4-door interest.  The '50's & '60's have gotten little
of nothing.  The '70's are so far out that no one has any interest at all.

The irony is that everyone in the '90's are selling 4-doors.  Will this be
what we collect in the next 30 years?  What's left except for Mustangs,
Camaro's/Firebirds, LeBaron convertibles, & sassy little Eagles & Cutlasses?
Will anyone really want an Aurora or Seville?

I'm glad that I am old & won't  care by then.  I got most of the cars that I
wanted years ago & I just won't look ahead (back?).

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 2:08 AM
Subject: Re: What's it worth, revisited...



>At 09:29 PM 7/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>1973 Buick LeSabre 4-dr hdtp, blk w/burgandy color, in storage 12 yrs,
>>has 8,000.  7,666 when gotten out of storage, one owner, perfect
>>body/radio, a/c, p/l, auto column, pb, 4-bbl 350 eng, needs driving, new
>>tires, perfect shape bumper to bumper, want $15000, cashier's check.
>>334-272-XXXX (number not published to protect the innocent), leave
>>message, will return call, Montgomery, AL.
>>
>>There ya go, Bill!
>>
>>Why, oh why, can't it be a Delta!
>
>Boy, even if that were a Delta 88, c'mon, a 4-door, 350-equipped '73?
>$15,000??? Even if he dropped it by $10,000, it would be more than I'd pay
>for such a thing. I'd still rather have a 2-door, 455-powered Delta with
>100,000 miles on it, than an 8,000 mile car like that. Just think what
other
>cars you could get, Olds or Buick, for $15,000! That would buy a nice
>455-powered convertible, of either make!
>
>I still maintain that such a car has little intrinsic collector value,
>though it might be worth that much to someone for sentimental value. Also,
I
>don't car how few miles it has on it; sitting that long, lots of rubber
>pieces are going to need replacing.
>
>I'd like to know if anyone ever sells their cars for such prices.
>
>Would anyone here pay $15,000 for such a car, if it _were_ a Delta 88 (same
>options, 4-door, 350, etc.)?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:34:18 -0400
From: Doug Patrick <pdp@gate.net>
Subject: Re: E-mail me info if you have a W-31

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello, Iwas just wondering if you could e-mail me if you have a W-31. Tell me
> a liitle something about it! I'm wondering if I should maybe start a W-31
> registry thing. Give me your feedback! Bye!
In 1978 I bought an original 70 W31. The car had no factory options
except for the W31 option. From 1983 thru 1989 I raced the car in F/SA
as an NHRA legal stocker. We ran several national events and several
division races per year. The car turned a best of 11.85 at 112.35.
In NHRA legal stock you must run the car with un altered heads,
manifold, block, crank, rods, pistons, etc. The times turned by a
stocker are one of the best indications of performance available from
a stock W31 . Motor was blue printed to stock specs, 308 duration cam
with .474 lift and stock valve tran, headers, 4.66 gears, 4500 stall,
and 3600 lbs. 
If anyone else out there has any information or experience with W31
stocker or racecars I'd love to here about them.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:42:36 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: More Olds Songs!

Well, kinda, anyway.  Heard John Anderson's "Mississippi Moon" again on
the way home from work last night.  HAs a line in it that caught my
attention:

"Spent enough time in that old rat race, goin' on back to the Delta..."

I ~suppose~ it's a bit out of content, but it'd sure go good on a Kathy
Mattea album ;)

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:36:22 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: help

I am looking for a ram air hood for a 1971 olds 442 convertible. Also could
someone tell me where the tac was mounted? My 442 doesn't have one but I
would like to put one in.
Thank You
Al Barlow
Maine

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:48:37 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Don't waste bandwidth complaining about this one, gang... It's been dealt
> with.
> 
Heh heh.  I bet he figured by sending to a listserver, he's sure to get
more than ten copies out, and should get ~really~ positive results?  (I
guess he's probably right, but I don't think he quite planned to get
scr**ed this way!)  :)  

Hmm, now maybe if I passed out ten rough Oldsmobile parts to ten
different people, I'd end up with one ~really~ nice one???   Hmmmm... :)

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:43:09 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 

 Al,

I don't know of a ram air hood at the moment, but I can comment on the tach.
It is mounted in current clock position on the right.  The combination of
clock/tach is the factory option.  My belief is that the '70-72 are the same
tic-toc-tac's.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca <oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 2:34 AM



>I am looking for a Ram Air hood for my 1971 442 convertible. Can anyone
>help? Also as I have just purchased this car and as yet an not that
>knowledgeable, can anyone tell me where the factory tach was mounted. My
>442 does not have one but I would like to add one.
>Thank You
>Al Barlow
>Maine
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:43:09 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 

 Al,

I don't know of a ram air hood at the moment, but I can comment on the tach.
It is mounted in current clock position on the right.  The combination of
clock/tach is the factory option.  My belief is that the '70-72 are the same
tic-toc-tac's.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca <oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 2:34 AM



>I am looking for a Ram Air hood for my 1971 442 convertible. Can anyone
>help? Also as I have just purchased this car and as yet an not that
>knowledgeable, can anyone tell me where the factory tach was mounted. My
>442 does not have one but I would like to add one.
>Thank You
>Al Barlow
>Maine
>
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 22:58:57 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!

LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
> 
> ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
> From:          "AD1 VICKROY AIMD/IM2 7593" <v4774@boxer.navy.mil>
> Organization:  USS Boxer (LHD 4)
> To:            M6459@boxer.navy.mil
> Date:          Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:55:12 +0000
> Subject:       (Fwd) Great Sex!!!!!
> Reply-to:      v4774@merc-gw.boxer.navy.mil
> Priority:      normal
> 
> Subject:       Great Sex!!!!!
> 
> Great Sex Chain Letter
> 
> YOU WILL EXPERIENCE GREAT SEX within four days of receiving this letter,
> provided you send it on. Since the copy must tour the world, you must
> make ten copies and send them to others. This is no joke. Send no money.
> Send copies to people who need to GET LAID within 96 hours.
> 
> After he passed this letter on, a Montana Spinach Control Officer got
> his penis stuck in a cow-milking machine and had the longest series of
> orgasms of his life.
> 
> John Elliot tried to pick up a prostitute, but, because he broke the
> chain, was picked up by the police instead. When they searched his home,
> they found magazines of little boys which they showed to his neighbors.
> 
> In a suburb of Paris, Don Loray's trousers were ripped by an unsatisfied
> erection 51 days after failing to circulate the letter. However, before
> this happened, a condom machine gave him three condoms for the price of
> one (was this the consolation prize?).
> 
> Do note the following: Hebert Pudstrom received the letter in 1953. He
> asked his secretary to make ten copies and send them out. A few days
> later he encountered her in a red-light district making more than he had
> ever paid her at work.
> 
> General George Patton, who sent the letter on, saw what he thought was a
> quarter in the street. When he bent down to pick it up, a beautiful
> woman in a miniskirt walked by, and he got a great view.
> 
> Heywood Daddit, an unemployed chicken choker, received the letter and
> forgot that it had to leave his hands within 96 hours. His wife then
> went bowling with his best friend and never returned. Later, after
> finding the letter again, he mailed ten copies. A few days later he got
> a new wife and discovered that his old wife, who he thought was
> wonderful, had made love to him like a dead salmon for all these years!
> 
> Alan Fairchild received the letter and, not believing, threw the letter
> away. Nine days later he spilled hot coffee on his crotch.
> 
> YES, I'M GONNA GET LAID!! I WILL SEND OUT TEN COPIES!!
> (SEND OUT TEN COPIES GUYS, UNLESS YOU WANT YOUR MAGAZINES FOUND!)
> 
> Submitted by: James Anthony Savage
I think you have been at sea too long.  Take a cold shower and try
insulting the ladies on someone else's list please.

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 18:15:00 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: 

Also as I have just purchased this car and as yet an not that
> knowledgeable, can anyone tell me where the factory tach was mounted. My
> 442 does not have one but I would like to add one.
> Thank You
> Al Barlow

The factory tach was available in the "rallye pac" which consisted of
oil pressure and coolant temp in the left hole and a tach with a clock
in the middle of the right hole. The center ofcourse contained the
speedometer.

Danny


> Maine

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:12:01 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Hallmark Hurst Olds

Me too - its sitting on the dash of my V-C & drives my 2 yr. old nuts cause
I won't let him have it :-)


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:09:05 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:Cutlass info

Can one of you 'newer' Cutlass people help answer this guys question?
Reply directly to him @Geenerone@webtv.net

His question was:  I would like more info on 78-80 cutlas body styles, and
any information
on 403 olds engine mods. 
                                  thanks  Roy

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:17:08 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction and question - Long

Wow & welcome.  I had a good friend who insisted that his '69 Ch*velle be
in every wedding photo - it actually got pretty funny towards the end (her
scrunched down on teh front seat with her headress crunched on her head
while they took a photo of her in the drivers seat - still makes me laugh
till I cry).  But what good taste & thank heavans your betrothed understood.

Good luck -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 97 16:38:09 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Plastic for grilles

     I'll try that.  I have a busted headlight surround of the same 
     material on which to experiment.  Thanks
     
     Joe Padavano


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: Plastic for grilles
Author:  <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> at osc-link
Date:    7/28/97 2:54 PM


At 03:11 PM 7/28/97 -0500, Joe Padavano wrote: 
>
>     Does anyone happen to know what type of plastic was used for the 1970 
>     442 grilles?  I currently have a damaged set which I would like to
>     reassemble (jigsaw puzzle style) to run on my W-30 for now (I don't 
>     want to use the good set until I complete the restoration).
>
     
>     Thanks for any help.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30 (currently forced to wear Cutlass Supreme grilles) 
>
>
>
     
  Joe,
     
  Devcon makes a general purpose plastic adhesive the bonds most platics and
is good to 250 F called Plastic Welder.  They also make one that is strictly 
for plastics and epoxies called Plastic Welder II.  The McMaster Carr Part 
Numbers are 75395A65 and 75395A66, respctively.  Devcon is also on the web 
and a 1-800 number is listed there.  Naturally, I don't know the web 
address.  Try a search.  Good Luck.
     
     
     
  Paul Brillhart
     
     
  1965 442 (POST COUPE.."If she's got a post, she better be a car")
     
     

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re:pix of silver olds wanted

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 20:54:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: pix of silver olds wanted

     I'm not sure if you are looking for a particular year, but i have
a picture of a 68 Hurst Olds.
                                                  Larry





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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:01:43 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!

Ordered a Fusick exhaust setup for my '70 SX, and it arrived in the mail
today. They had already sent ahead the clamps for the rear tailpipe hangers
(not included), but the exhaust system was drop-shipped from the
manufacturer. Was impressed, and not, by what I found.

First off, I guess pipes are usually shipped bare, with some tape to protect
them; I was afraid that this would damage the chrome trumpets on the ends of
the tailpipes, but those were wrapped in cardboard, so they survived fine.

The mufflers look like standard Walker units, and one had a little crease in
it (nothing structural; may get it replaced anyway), and inside the boxes
the mufflers were shipped in was all the miscellaneous hardware, which
included the tailpipe hangers that I thought were not reproduced by anyone
(and which Fusick said did not come with the kit). That was a pleasant
surprise. Since the car is elsewhere, I can't say how everything fits yet,
but I'll mock it up in the backyard, just to make sure it's all there, but
it looks like everything shown in the shop manual is in this kit, right down
to the washers and screws for mounting the hangers. Very thorough, very nice.

What didn't impress me was the crimping in the exhaust pipes, especially
right below the driver's-side headpipe, right below where it enters the
manifold. I may use a tailpipe expander on it, as long as it won't cause
interference. Lots of convoluted little bends in that pipe there.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 21:23:43 -0500
From: ferguson@themall.net (Lloyd Ferguson)
Subject: Re: Tool Name?

>I'm working on my girlfriend's M*zda 626 replacing the front struts and there
>seems to be a tool specifically to hold the shock strut from spinning while
>you tighten down the nut (on top) which allow the ass'y to be bolted to the
>car.
>
>Olds Content: there seems to be similar setup on the olds which calls to
>special tool BT-6515 (in my 66 manual).
>
>What is this thing called and how do I keep the strut on either car from
>spinning while tightening down the nut which bolts the top of the front
>shock to the car?
>
>Any help is appreciated, I'm off to Sears at lunch Ca. time....
>
>thanks, see you in Lansing!
>cf

According to my catalog, Lisle makes a Universal Strut Nut Remover(#63400)
consisting of a kit of adapters and drivers.  You can also buy replacement
parts presumably to get just the ones for your car.

Snap-on makes shock absorber sockets to stop the stud from spinning.

Whenever I have seen stuts disassemled it was done with an impact gun which
may prevent the thing from turning.


Lloyd Ferguson
ferguson@themall.net
(818) 241-9350

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:34:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: 76olds984sale

I would love to have the motor and tranny, but I live in Idaho. Oh well, I'll
just keep searching.

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:38:33 -0400
From: Neuromancer <Neuromancer@kerrlake.com>
Subject: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....

Hello, 
	It is me once again your annoying mail patron, I have discovered 
that I have a broken lug bolt on my right front.  I am going to fix the 
tranny hose clamp in the morning, I finally got a pair of riser ramps.  
As always I am looking for information:
1. Is there any list or text file or chart or somthing like that on GM 
compatibility, like, if I need chassis parts or somthing the 74 
cutlass's are compatible with......I find that when I am looking through 
a catalog for parts there is a lack of Oldsmobile, but I am left 
wondering what the shared standards were in 74, or any years that used 
the same parts.
2. What is HEI ignition, how do I know if I have it?
3. How hard is I going to be to re weather strip the entire car?
4. What should I be carefull about when pressure spraying the engine 
compartment and firewall.  
- -=PARTS=-
1. A rear spoiler/wing thing, I still have most of the origional but one 
of the tips is broaken off, is it possibel to replace the tip?
2. Weatherstripping
I think that is it for now, thank you for wasting your time with me!

NeuroMan
1974 442

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:46:43 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Current 4-door cars

Bill Culp,

Don't know how old you are, but when I was about 25 I swore I would
never drive a 4-door.  However, I have had to change that to most
4-doors.  In the past 10-12 years the manufacturers have started to
build some really good looking 4-door rides.  Now I like the looks of a
lot different vehicles, i.e., Lincoln Town Cars, Caddy Sevilles, Benzs,
Bimmers, Taurus SHOs (prior to the current body style), Auroras (Olds
content and probably spelled incorrectly, not to mention really good
looking) among others.  , too, like the prior to 1950's 4-doors.  Those
of the 60's, 70's, and most of the 80's do not appeal to me, but the two
door and convertible versions sure do.  Now I'm not raining on anyone's
parade, I'm just saying what appeals to me.  Like everything, there are
some exceptions for me on an individual, like 'em when you see 'em
basis.  My true love is the muscle car era, mid 50's to early 70's.  If
I were rich I would probably own 100-200 cars.  As it is I can hardly
keep the current transportation going and get time to try beginning
restoration of one of mine.  That is one reason I truly enjoy this
list.  I get to see (read) about people moving forward and doing what I
wish I had the time, ability and cash to do.  I guess when my life
settles down I will get a chance to get with the program.  I truly
admire the people, like you, Bob Barry, Mike Rothe and the others who
have the expertise to do whatever you want.  I will never have that, but
maybe I can make friends with or one of my daughters marry a gearhead
type so I can enjoy some of the things you guys take for granted.  I
guess we all have our pigeon holes in life.  

Later,

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 00:43:11 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> What didn't impress me was the crimping in the exhaust pipes, especially
> right below the driver's-side headpipe, right below where it enters the
> manifold. I may use a tailpipe expander on it, as long as it won't cause
> interference. Lots of convoluted little bends in that pipe there.
>

Be careful!  I think I know the "flattened" part you are talking about. 
Indeed, a long time ago I bought a Walker setup, and it had that little
crimp.  This was to ensure it cleared the starter/A-Arm constriction.  I
believe this can be stretched some, but not by a whole lot.  Of course
if this isn't the part you're talking about, then, never mind.   You
still should check the tail pipe hangers.  I don't think they are exact
factory replacements.  Then again, I could be wrong.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 23:59:54 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Year One Exhaust Systems

Has anyone here had any experience with the dual exhaust system for the
72 Cutlass from Year One?

Thanks,

JR
72 Cutlass S

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:07:24 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!

At 12:43 AM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Be careful!  I think I know the "flattened" part you are talking about. 
>Indeed, a long time ago I bought a Walker setup, and it had that little
>crimp.  This was to ensure it cleared the starter/A-Arm constriction.  I
>believe this can be stretched some, but not by a whole lot.  Of course
>if this isn't the part you're talking about, then, never mind.   

That is the *exact* part I'm talking about. I was wondering if the
starter/frame clearance would be a problem there. I won't expand anything
until the engine's in the car, so I can check things out. Thanks!

>You
>still should check the tail pipe hangers.  I don't think they are exact
>factory replacements.  Then again, I could be wrong.

Like I said, the original exhaust is long-gone, but the hangers I have look
a lot like the hangers depicted in the shop manual. We'll find out soon
enough; I wasn't planning on seeing any hangers in there, so it was a nice
surprise.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:07:59 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Current 4-door cars

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> Bill Culp,
> 
>  I get to see (read) about people moving forward and doing what I
> wish I had the time, ability and cash to do.  I guess when my life
> settles down I will get a chance to get with the program.  I truly
> admire the people, like you, Bob Barry, Mike Rothe and the others who
> have the expertise to do whatever you want.  I will never have that, but
> maybe I can make friends with or one of my daughters marry a gearhead
> type so I can enjoy some of the things you guys take for granted.  I
> guess we all have our pigeon holes in life.
> Later,
> Don Sowers

Buck up little camper!

Don, I can't make claim for Bill, Bob, and others you mention, but I
know I don't have the expertise to do whatever I want.  I've been
fortunate enough in my years, all 37 of 'em, to be able to drive and
work on Oldsmobiles as soon as I was ALMOST legal.  My first car was in
1976: a 69 W-30 4-spd, with 4.33 gears, for $550.00, and I promptly
chewed out 4 rod bearings 25 miles from home, and decided if it was
going to blow, then it will have to do it on the way home.  Drove that
puppy home, knockin' all the way.  Tough engines!!!  I had to rebuild
that one.  That's when I was learning (learned the importance of a
clutch alignment tool).  Made a few mistakes, but in the end, I got it
going again and I've been hooked.  So it's been 21 years of reading,
getting information and educating myself by just going and doing it when
I get the time.  I do things MY way, to suit me.  If other people don't
like the way I do things, then my advice to them is go buy themselves a
project and do it their way. They made 4-doors for a reason.  If
everybody didn't like them, then the 4 door would go the way of the 442
and 98.  (Gone, but not forgotten.) If I can do the gear head stuff,
anyone can, Don.  Even you.  Don't worry about what other guys are
doing, worry about what YOU want to do.  If the project has to wait due
to time or funds, then it will be there when you do.  I usually run out
of money first.  If you want something bad enough, you will find a way.

By the way, how old is your daughter......hahahhaha!

Good luck,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:12:54 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....

At 12:38 AM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>	It is me once again your annoying mail patron, I have discovered 
>that I have a broken lug bolt on my right front.  I am going to fix the 
>tranny hose clamp in the morning, I finally got a pair of riser ramps.  
>As always I am looking for information:
>1. Is there any list or text file or chart or somthing like that on GM 
>compatibility, like, if I need chassis parts or somthing the 74 
>cutlass's are compatible with......I find that when I am looking through 
>a catalog for parts there is a lack of Oldsmobile, but I am left 
>wondering what the shared standards were in 74, or any years that used 
>the same parts.

The '73-'77 A-bodies (and G-bodies) shared chassis parts, so go hunting down
those Malibus and Grand Prix(es?) for suspension parts. Why, what else did
you break? If all you need is a wheel stud, you might be able to have a new
one pressed in to your existing rotor (I don't remember the exact
configuration of these parts, even though I just pulled one apart this past
weekend).

>2. What is HEI ignition, how do I know if I have it?

That would be the High Energy Ignition ignition. More power, no points, more
reliable. The coil is integral with the distributor cap, and is larger in
diameter than a points-type distributor. If you don't have a coil wire
coming out the center of the distributor cap, then you have an HEI (ignore
the fact that some 6-cyl HEI cars used separate coils; we're talking 8's here).

>3. How hard is I going to be to re weather strip the entire car?

I have absolutely no idea.

>4. What should I be carefull about when pressure spraying the engine 
>compartment and firewall.  

Cover your carb, alternator, distributor, and the wiring harness connector
on the firewall. Also make sure that there are no openings to the engine;
water in there is bad.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:14:05 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Year One Exhaust Systems

JR wrote:
> 
> Has anyone here had any experience with the dual exhaust system for the
> 72 Cutlass from Year One?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> JR
> 72 Cutlass S


Not personally, but a friend of mine bought a set from Year One a couple
of years ago for his 72 442 with a 455.  He said they fit just fine,
after he had to re-round out the end of the pipes where they were dented
during shipping.  The exhaust trumpets were very nice also.  They sent
him close, but not exact tail pipe hangers, and their claim of
functionally sufficient is right.  They work, but they don't look quite
original.  But it sounds real nice......quiet but rumbly.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:24:40 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Report: Fusick Exhaust Arrived Today!

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 12:43 AM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Be careful!  I think I know the "flattened" part you are talking about.
> >Indeed, a long time ago I bought a Walker setup, and it had that little
> >crimp.  This was to ensure it cleared the starter/A-Arm constriction.  I
> >believe this can be stretched some, but not by a whole lot.  Of course
> >if this isn't the part you're talking about, then, never mind.
> 
> That is the *exact* part I'm talking about. I was wondering if the
> starter/frame clearance would be a problem there. I won't expand anything
> until the engine's in the car, so I can check things out. Thanks!
> 
> >You
> >still should check the tail pipe hangers.  I don't think they are exact
> >factory replacements.  Then again, I could be wrong.
> 
> Like I said, the original exhaust is long-gone, but the hangers I have look
> a lot like the hangers depicted in the shop manual. We'll find out soon
> enough; I wasn't planning on seeing any hangers in there, so it was a nice
> surprise.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
Bob,

Any extra, unexpected parts is better than not getting what you thought
you were supposed to get.

Don

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 01:54:01 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Current 4-door cars

At 01:07 AM 7/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>  I get to see (read) about people moving forward and doing what I
>> wish I had the time, ability and cash to do.  I guess when my life
<snip>
>
>Don, I can't make claim for Bill, Bob, and others you mention, but I
>know I don't have the expertise to do whatever I want.  I've been
<snip>

Well, I can speak for Bob here... I never had the expertise, until I broke
something, that is. Not having a competent mechanic who I could trust or
afford, I had to figure it out myself. Same holds true today, only now I
feel competent to break just about *anything* on my car... ;)

Of course, this Olds hobby was on hold for about the last twelve years that
I was in school, during which time I did very little on my cars (heck, for a
bit there I didn't own any car whatsoever), but now that I'm gainfully
employed and have my own driveway, I'm getting in deeper and deeper.

You have to get in only as deep as you can handle it; most stalled projects
are the result of poor planning or financing (ask me how I know about that
one...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 02:12:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems

In a message dated 97-07-28 06:52:26 EDT, you write:

<< You might have to change the front springs, too. Check into that. The
 swap is really easy, but you may need to acquire a th350 tranny. The 200r
 will work, but it can't be hammered on. A 350 motor can easily eat the
 th200r4. >>

Im confused about the TH200R4 being called a weak tranny.  This is the tranny

that they use in GN's and TTypes with Turbo 6s that run high 13s-low 14s
stock.
They is also a huge number of these cars with mods that run MUCH QUICKER
and don't have problems with that tranny.  Is there a difference in the 200
in these
Buic*s ?  I have an 87 TType and have had no problem with this tranny and
have considered using one for other applications, but if there is a
difference in the 200's from different years or applications I'd really like
to know....TIA....TIM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:03:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, Neuromancer wrote:
> 3. How hard is I going to be to re weather strip the entire car?

I'm pretty sure I remember seeing weatherstrips for these in JC Whitney's 
catalog, so they are probably made by one of the 3 companies I know that 
are in this business; either Metro Molded Parts, SoffSeal, or Steele. All 
are on the web, so it might be worthwhile doing a search with AltaVista 
or whatever. Replacing the w/s is very easy.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 04:30:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Year One Exhaust Systems

- ---JR  wrote:
>
> Has anyone here had any experience with the dual exhaust system for
the
> 72 Cutlass from Year One?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> JR
> 72 Cutlass S

You can get the same pieces form any auto parts store. Walker as well
as AP still make them! Save the shipping costs! 


===
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Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:08:25 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 85cutlassproblems--done

Adam wrote:

> shell melted a little.  I fixed that as well.  I also took the car in to
> get the TH-200 fixed, I was quoted $475 plus tax.  It should be done by
> thursday, they said the would put in longer lasting parts, but I didnt
> opt for the stage 1 shift kit  becaue i was worried about

How much is it to put a shift kit in?

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:18:57 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:

> clock/tach is the factory option.  My belief is that the '70-72 are
> the same tic-toc-tac's.

Are the 68-69 tic-toc-tachs different then the 70-72?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:58:45 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Rocket Circle Emblems For Sale (7/29)

I have the following Oldsmobile related items which I would like to
sell:

NOS and in the original box Oldsmobile Rocket Circle Emblem.  Part
number 983421.  Iıve been told by someone who probably knows correctly,
that this accessory was used by dealers in the 1950ıs as an incentive
for repeat customers.  The 3-3/8 inch wide by 1 inch tall diecast emblem
fastens to the top of the dashboard with a single screw, which is
included.  This probably was designed to replace a trim screw on some
years, or could be fastened by drilling a hole (yikes!) into the dash.
The screw is then hidden by a brass trim oval which was to be held in
place with double sticky tape.  An oval of tape is included, but is
undoubtedly unusable at this age.

The emblem is chrome plated with a black painted field.  The cast in
³Rocket Circle² lettering is also painted black.  At the right side,
within that black field is a stylized rocket.  The brass trim oval looks
like a loop of exhaust from the rear of the rocket.  At the left side of
the field is a space intended to contain a numeral, representing the
number of Oldsmobiles which you have owned.  The center of the brass
trim oval is also painted black and is intended to contain your three
initials.  The brass oval on these is oxidized from age, and needs to be
polished.  $13.00, including one numeral and the three initials of your
choice.  Shipping to any address in North America is also included.  I
have a few of these to sell, and initially a good supply of numerals and
initials.  (7/29/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
one (or more) of these, or if you would like additional information
about them.  I can confirm that your choice of numeral and initials are
still available, and will gladly hold them for your order.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 03:36:15 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Hello Again, From the NeuroMan....

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
 
> or whatever. Replacing the w/s is very easy.

I am in the process of having the w/s replaced on my 68 442.  I was
thinking of having someone else put it in since I was told that it
wasn't that easy to put in.  Especially the window fuzzies since they
are rivetted in.  What part of the job was easy?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 07:29:10 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: What a Day for a Rocket Ride

After suffering through the heat and humidity last week here in Indiana,
I woke up this morning to a very pleasant 62 degrees, sunshine and a
expected high of 82.  My thoughts immediately turned to the 4-4-2 and
how nice it would be to drive it to work.  I smiled all the way here! 
And now it sits in the lot waiting for me at the end of the work day,
something else to look forward to.  The only bad part was getting out
and walking in to the office.
	
Getting ready for Lansing,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:33:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Weatherstrip ?'s

On Tue, 29 Jul 1997, mrada wrote:
> I am in the process of having the w/s replaced on my 68 442.  I was
> thinking of having someone else put it in since I was told that it
> wasn't that easy to put in.  Especially the window fuzzies since they
> are rivetted in.  What part of the job was easy?

You have to have the inside door panels off to do the fuzzies, but I 
don't think they were rivetted. I've seen them screwed on or with clips 
or staples. Either way they're easy. The door and roofrail strips are 
even more simple. On a '74 4-4-2 as we were discussing they use a 
different design of w/s but I recall from my old '77 LeMans that I was 
able to replace them myself even back in the old non-motorhead days!

On your '68 I think the tough one is the vent window w/s "triangles". 
Never tried that but it looks a little tricky. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:22:56 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: tic-toc-tac

> Are the 68-69 tic-toc-tachs different then the 70-72?
> 
Externally they are.  The housing is different, the way they mount is
different, and the face markings are just a bit diffferent.  But I'll
bet a donut that the internals are the same, but I cannot verify this.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 05:39:59 -0700
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: 

Chris,
68-69 are the very same instruments as 70-72, the difference is the faces.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 08:55:32 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Long trips and the big move

>The question is, should this trip spawn a concern in my mind
>for my beloved car?  Lessee, 650 miles up to Michigan, that's
>1300 round trip and another 220 down to Tech...that's 1500 
>miles in a week!

My rule of thumb on long trips is that if it hasn't broken in
the first hour, it won't break during the trip. (No, this does
not mean you should wait one hour before leaving.  :-)

Maybe you could try a "shakedown" trip in the week beforehand,
going to some closer destination that you can get back from
some other way (i.e. friend/relative can drive out and get you)
just in case. Before we drove our '82 Cutlass from Chicago to
Florida and back a few years ago, we did a weekend trip to
northern Wisconsin in it first, just to be sure that a full
load and highway speeds weren't going to make some marginal
part fail under the strain.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:58:17 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Driving time from Athens, Ohio to Lansing

Bill, 
Using The Rand McNally Trip Maker that I have on my computer it said if
you take the quickest route (which is to long for me to list to you) it
should be around 325miles and take 6hours and 3min to go from Athens, OH
to Lansing. I then checked the quickest route from Lansing to
Indianapolis, IN, the program said it was about 257miles and it would
take about 4hours and 4minutes. If you choose the quickest route to get
there these facts should be close to correct. Well I hope this gives you
a rough idea of distance and driving time.

Cliff McFarlane
62 Starfire conv
63 Starfire coupe


bill wrote:
> 
> I have to take my son to look at Marietta and Ohio University.  Can anyone
> tell me the driving time from around Athen, OH to Lansing and/or the
> driving time from Lansing to Indianapolis as I am going home to see some
> relatives.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill Pritchett
> lewman@mindpulse.com

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:12:14 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Plastic for grilles

>>     Does anyone happen to know what type of plastic was used for the 1970 
>>     442 grilles?  I currently have a damaged set which I would like to
>>     reassemble (jigsaw puzzle style) to run on my W-30 for now (I don't 
>>     want to use the good set until I complete the restoration).

Don't know if this practice was in effect back in 1970, but nowadays
all plastics are marked with an abbreviation indicating what material
they're made of, for recycling purposes. Mostly it seems to be ABS.
Somewhere on the part you should find the date code, manufacturer's
name (some GM subcontractor you've never heard of, most likely) and 
part number(s) (multiple part numbers for molded-in-color parts). You
might also find the material abbreviation there, at which point you
can select the right adhesive for the job.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:15:54 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Current 4-door cars

 Don,

I am 54 & possibly that makes a difference.  I also swore that I wouldn't
purchase a 4-door if I had my druthers.  My family demanded a few which
included a 1951 Studebaker LandCruiser, 1958 Dodge Coronet, 1960 Dodge
Polara, 1961 Chevy Impala,  1966 Buick Skylark station wagon, & a new 1973
Cutlass wagon w/455.  I currently drive a LeBaron convertible & would love
to purchase a Mustang Cobra convertible.

I feel that I am like many on the list as I always loved automobiles from
birth.  I also didn't start out as a "gearhead".  My first car was the
typical well used thing that just drained my small pocketbook.  It was bad
enough that I didn't have a good car, but the "mechanics" who worked on it
didnt' do a very good job of repairing it.  I was always having to fix up
something that I had paid dearly to get done.
The more that I jumped into the general repairs of my car, the more I
learned.  Isoon got to where I could replace missing bolts, change oil &
grease things, replace simple parts, rough up some body work, get a radio
out of the dash for repair (cheaper if I did that), & keep tires inflated.
I also hung around anyone who would show me anything at all about a car.
Even though I am reading challenged, I read every Motor Trend issue from
cover to cover to learn more.  I even looked at the shop manuals in the
library & read Hot Rod, even though I wasn't always sure what all of those
words actually meant.  I didn't even know what many of those tools were.
I feel that I can do most things to my cars now.  I don't have the tools
needed to degree my cam yet.  I haven't delved into the internals of an
automatic by myself.  I have made an attempt to set up a differential - no
success.  I would love to paint one of my cars & I am hoping to build the
facilities for this.
Money is a serious problem.  I budget an amount & go until I use it up.  The
large number of cars that I own (20) began to take form 25 years ago.  I
have never paid more than $1500 for a car except for that darned Avanti
($4000).  Actually budgeting is one of the fun challenges.  It matches the
rough expertise that I have gained over the years - I did it the best that I
could & it gives me some pride even though it is not of the excellence that
I dream.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 4:44 AM
Subject: Current 4-door cars



>Bill Culp,
>
>Don't know how old you are, but when I was about 25 I swore I would
>never drive a 4-door.  However, I have had to change that to most
>4-doors

    <snip>

That is one reason I truly enjoy this list.  I get to see (read) about
people moving forward and doing what I
>wish I had the time, ability and cash to do.  I guess when my life
>settles down I will get a chance to get with the program.  I truly
>admire the people, like you, Bob Barry, Mike Rothe and the others who
>have the expertise to do whatever you want.  I will never have that, but
>maybe I can make friends with or one of my daughters marry a gearhead
>type so I can enjoy some of the things you guys take for granted.  I
>guess we all have our pigeon holes in life.
>
>Later,
>
>Don Sowers
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 1997 09:25:24 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 

 Chris,

I'm certain that they are for looks - the dials are different.  The
internals may be identical though.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 11:48 AM
Subject: Re:



>Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
>> clock/tach is the factory option.  My belief is that the '70-72 are
>> the same tic-toc-tac's.
>
>Are the 68-69 tic-toc-tachs different then the 70-72?
>
>Chris Sparks
>

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