
oldsmobile-digest        Monday, August 4 1997        Volume 01 : Number 784



Re: 403 swap
Re: Looking for replacement panels
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: RWD Aurora power
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: RWD Aurora power
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: Popular Mechanics
72 W-30 Shell Wanted
Re: America on the Road Radio Program
Re: Differential ID & swap
convertable top cables
67' 442 motor mounts
Re: Auction stuff...
Re: Popular Mechanics
Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
Re: 67' 442 motor mounts
Re: 1964-65 442/Cutlass info update...
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?
Re: $ Exchange rate
Re: turbo 400 swap in g-body
Chicagoland Olds list get-together
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you interested?
Re: Last Call! Chicago Olds Meet This Sunday!
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: headers don't fit.......
Re: W Machine question
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?
Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
Chicago -- Transport Extravaganza Day
Big Red's HEI Woes Solved!
Re: more roadblox
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you interested?
Conv. Vinyl Thickness
[none]
Re: turbo 400 swap in g-body
55 olds
Re: RWD Aurora power
Re: mroe roadblox
55 olds
Re: BB heads
Re: Auction stuff...
'83 H/O For Sale
Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA
350 swap (was Re: 403 swap)
James-- Re: 1964-65 442/Cutlass info update...
Re: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA
Re: 1964-65 442/Cutlass info update...(bryceman)
Toronado Model For Sale (8/4)
Re: Popular Mechanics
Re: 67' 442 motor mounts
Cars for sale
Re: "F" Stamping
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?
[Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]
CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION

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Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 23:45:50 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 403 swap

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> 
> At 10:13 PM 8/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >I am thinking about buying a rebuild engine outright from PAW. How much
> >trouble is there involved with the motor mounts on the 403? I have a '70
> >Cutlass and I know that the motor has center engine mounts. When my
> >friend put a '77 model 400 (pontiac) in his '70 LeMans, I remember him
> >having to drill the frame to suit the front-style mounts. Anyone have
> >any info on this kind of swap?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> 70 Cutlass "S"
> 
> Stephen
> 
>         It's a bolt-in swap. It has the same dimensions as a 350 small
> block. All the holes are the same too. You wouldn't tell the difference
> unless you knew what codes on the engine to look for.
> 
> Jim Chermack


Hey Jim,

    Thanks for responding. So do all or most of the post-73 blocks have
the holes for the center style motor mounts? Tell me, what do you think
of the 403? I feel that 400 cubes is the best for all around street. I
know that they have the windowed main webs and the siamesed cylinders,
but I am not going to build an outrageous machine. I going with 10.0:1
compression, a cam with 270 dur and .456 lift and the Performer RPM. It
will be fully balanced of course. I am going to buy a brand new 4-core
radiator when I make the swap so I don't think cooling will be a
problem. 


Thanks

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:01:11 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Looking for replacement panels

> At 04:31 PM 6/19/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >I am restoring a '65 F-85 convertible and I can't seem to find anyplace
> >that has patch panels for the rear quarters. I was wondering if anyone knew
> >where I could locate them. Thank you
> >
> >Jason
> >lwolf@skypoint.com

Check out the post I put up earlier today, someone here in Omaha has
what you need, rust-free.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:01:30 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

Tried those - same listing for all big blocks 65-72 but they don't fit
ragtops

- ----------
> From: dhamlett@mitec.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......
> Date: Sunday, August 03, 1997 6:07 PM
> 
> Patton wrote:
> > 
> > no one today makes 64-67 small block headers. I tried a pair of 68-72
> > headers
> > no dice.......
> > 
> > ----------
> > > From: dhamlett@mitec.net
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......
> > > Date: Sunday, August 03, 1997 2:27 PM
> > >
> > > Patton wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fellow Rocketteers,
> > > >                 I can't find headers to fit ( although the listing
says
> > so) my
> > > > 455 powered 67' CS ragtop. Engine is in stock location. It should
be a
> > > > direct swap
> > > > for the 330. Problem is two tubes on the driver side hit the
steering
> > > > column. I tried the
> > > > hammer method but now have minimal clearance. No room for header
wrap.
> > > >
> > > >                                                 Thanks
> > > >                                                 PATTON
> > > > "Compared too 442's all other forms of human endeavor shrink to
> > > > insignificance"
> > >
> > > Does someone make headers for 66-7 330's?
> > > --
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >       Dan Hamlett
> > >       1966 Cutlass Convertible
> > >       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
> > >       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
> > >       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> > > -----------------------------------------
> 
> What about 400 bb headers?
> -- 
> 
> -----------------------------------------
>       Dan Hamlett
>       1966 Cutlass Convertible
>       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
>       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
>       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 00:59:41 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

Those brakes are metric - no dice...

- ----------
> From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
> Date: Sunday, August 03, 1997 5:04 PM
> 
> I was given a very tired 81 pontiac formula, what do I need to do to put
the
> disc brakes on my 1967 F-85. my address is RCKTPWR@AOL.COM ......THANX
> 
> PS. THE FORMULA ONLY HAS A 6CYL,  NEED ANY PARTS???

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:05:18 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

Problem is ragtop - frames are different - running hooker super comp

- ----------
> From: Suzanne Rousseau <ewok@clarkston.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......
> Date: Sunday, August 03, 1997 7:59 PM
> 
> 
> > Fellow Rocketteers,
> > 		I can't find headers to fit ( although the listing says so) my
> > 455 powered 67' CS ragtop. Engine is in stock location. It should be a
> > direct swap
> > for the 330. Problem is two tubes on the driver side hit the steering
> > column. I tried the
> > hammer method but now have minimal clearance. No room for header wrap. 
> 
> What kind of headers do you have??  I bought Hedman Hedders for my '67
442
> with a 455, and they fit fine with only minimal denting of the tubes. 
Just
> tell them that you have a 400, since no 455 was available in '67 (this
> problem has arisen at several auto parts stores, "...But my computer
> doesn't show a 455 in your car..."  Yes yes I know, it's really a 400
that
> I bored 55 cubic inches over)  Many times I have been sold parts for
'68-72
> because I specify a 455 engine, when I need 400 parts for my '67.  The
joys
> of an engine swap....
> 
> Paul Rousseau
> *1967 442

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:22:08 -0700
From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

> Tried those - same listing for all big blocks 65-72 but they don't fit
> ragtops

Why would they be different for a convertible?  Anyway, the guy I bought my
'67 442 from has a '67 442 convertible with Hedman Hedders on it, same as
on my 442 and they fit fine.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:23:54 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: RWD Aurora power

padavano.joe wrote:
  While I think it would be cool to put this
>      in an A-body, 300 hp and 300 ft-lb of torque just don't excite me
>      after driving a 455 with 370 (rated) hp and 500 ft-lb of torque.  Even
>      if you assume the Aurora engine weighs 300 lbs less than the 455, this
>      is still a 3300 lb car!  

Yes but isn't it 300 BHP Vs. 370 HP (at the flywheel)??? And thats 300
BHP running through cats and fairly restrictive exhaust. Alot to think
about.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 00:30:14 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

Suzanne Rousseau wrote:
> 
> > Tried those - same listing for all big blocks 65-72 but they don't fit
> > ragtops
> 
> Why would they be different for a convertible?  Anyway, the guy I bought my
> '67 442 from has a '67 442 convertible with Hedman Hedders on it, same as
> on my 442 and they fit fine.
> 
> Paul Rousseau
> *1967 442

Yup, looked em up tonight. I dont know about Hooker (and dont want to
with their prices) but Headman has them.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:35:13 -0700
From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Re: RWD Aurora power

> Yes but isn't it 300 BHP Vs. 370 HP (at the flywheel)??? And thats 300
> BHP running through cats and fairly restrictive exhaust. Alot to think
> about.

Yes, and don't forget the 6400 RPM redline.  Paired up with some 3.90's
would make a very nice combo.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:31:52 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

You can't sleep either ?????      Little fuzzy on this. I thought I tried a
set of 
"re-labled" Headmen heades. I know the Cyclone and MR. GASKET don't fit
I thought Walker was same as Headmen...Guess not. Will order up a set.
Can always return.     Thanx in Philadelphia

- ----------
> From: Suzanne Rousseau <ewok@clarkston.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 1:22 AM
> 
> 
> 
> > Tried those - same listing for all big blocks 65-72 but they don't fit
> > ragtops
> 
> Why would they be different for a convertible?  Anyway, the guy I bought
my
> '67 442 from has a '67 442 convertible with Hedman Hedders on it, same as
> on my 442 and they fit fine.
> 
> Paul Rousseau
> *1967 442

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 01:34:25 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

Will order up a set of Headmen. I thought I had a set of re-labled Headmen 
Thanx in Philadelphia

- ----------
> From: dhamlett@mitec.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 1:30 AM
> 
> Suzanne Rousseau wrote:
> > 
> > > Tried those - same listing for all big blocks 65-72 but they don't
fit
> > > ragtops
> > 
> > Why would they be different for a convertible?  Anyway, the guy I
bought my
> > '67 442 from has a '67 442 convertible with Hedman Hedders on it, same
as
> > on my 442 and they fit fine.
> > 
> > Paul Rousseau
> > *1967 442
> 
> Yup, looked em up tonight. I dont know about Hooker (and dont want to
> with their prices) but Headman has them.
> -- 
> 
> -----------------------------------------
>       Dan Hamlett
>       1966 Cutlass Convertible
>       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
>       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
>       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 01:27:29 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
> Anyone see the shoot out in the August Isse of Popular Mechanics between
> vintage iron and them new-fangled plastic cars?  How about that W-30 eh?

  I missed that one.. do tell.. 

Ken

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 01:39:43 +0000
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: 72 W-30 Shell Wanted

I am looking for a 1972 Cutlass Supreme 442 W-30 shell, preferably a 
convertible with a blue paint code. 

Please email me at mailto:mackk@netinc.ca

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:49:04 -0700
From: mapsrus@juno.com (Brett J Lucas)
Subject: Re: America on the Road Radio Program

Hi all....

The "America on the Road Radio Program" (broadcasted in Portland,OR on
Sunday evenings from 9pm to 10pm) had a half  hour segment on the 100th
Anniversary of Oldsmobile in Lansing.  The had one on the centennial
event  coordinators talking about the media caravan and all of the
festivities in Lansing.  It is really nice to hear some good PR for the
event.  They are expecting 50,000 to 100,000 people in Lansing for the 4
day event.

Also, the August Issues of Motor Trend and Car & Driver, made no mention
of the Centennial.  Too Bad.

Rocket Power to Lansing

Brett 

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 02:44:04 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Differential ID & swap

>>> I blew out the rear end in my Vista Cruiser and checked with a friend who
>>>had a Hollander Interchange manual which ones would fit.  Unfortunately, I
>>>no longer have the list, but I do remember that there was something
>>>different about the VC's rear end.  There was only a limited number of
>>>rears that would fit.  I got a 12 bolt out of a 68 Cutlass Coupe.  If
>>>someone on the list has access to an interchange manual, could they please
>>>post which rears will fit on a 72 VC.
>
>Well, one big difference would be the width of the rear drum brake shoes
>(2.5", vs. non-VC 2"). I believe that the mounting locations are the same,
>but that brake size would make a difference in braking ability, so I imagine
>that's why they don't recommend other rears as a direct interchange.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

That's funny, my Vista Cruiser only had 2" rear brake shoes on it.  I always
thought it was pretty dumb to put such wimpy brakes on such a monster of a
car...Never knew they were s'posed to be 2.5 inches wide.  I swapped them
with some much bigger brakes that came off of a `77 ch*v*lle 4-door.  I
think they were 11inch dia. and 2 inches wide.  Much better now.

I'd keep the bigger set of brakes if I did the swap.  In fact I'd like to
throw some disk brakes on there one day.  So if brakes are my biggest
problem in the swap I've got it covered.  I still don't know what the ratio
in the culass is though.  Anyone know what a CS axle code means in a `67
Cutlass?

Greg Pruett
`72 Visa Cruiser 
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:03:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Rich Scott <rich@qti.net>
Subject: convertable top cables

>
>        hello,
>does anyone know how to replace the two cables that run along the inside
>of the top. the top is new but i dont think they replaced the cables and
one broke. i already have the replacements.
>
>                thanks,  
>                rich
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:26:22 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: 67' 442 motor mounts

My local parts house and YO do not list engine mounts for the 65-68 400
motors.
do I use small block mounts or later model BB mounts

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 05:41:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Auction stuff...

JUST REMEMBER ANY OLDS ISBETTER THAN ANY CHEVY OR MOPAR
  ME, NEW MEMBER WITH A67 f-85, 67 442 conv, 86 cutlass salon w/t-tops and 71
350, got my license in a 75 4 dr cutlass, nana still has it!!!    remember
ROCKET POWER, ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 05:54:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics

I KNOW THAT GUY ED PERSONALLY. i KNOW 14.8 W/A W-30 455!!!!!!!!!!
 It was still ne of the best lookin cars there.........

 new olds member
 67 f85
 67 442 conv
  86 cutlass salon

ROCKET POWER ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 05:56:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

THANKS FOR THE REPLY, MY FRIEND HAS a 1970 chevelle (yuck) w/ disc brakes.
wikk they work??????

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 06:05:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67' 442 motor mounts

.bb mounts

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 05:57:55 -0500
From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Subject: Re: 1964-65 442/Cutlass info update...

At 11:37 AM 8/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Here is a list of the individuals who own 64-65 442s/Cutlasses that have 
>responded to my first message.  If you know of anyone else who owns one
>of these cars (even if they aren't on the net or have e-mail), Please let
>me know-- I'd be happy to help them via snail-mail if necessary.
>
>
>Sean "?"           SEAN442@aol.com
>
>"Travis Adams"     <cashmore@imt.net>
>
>Bryceman           bryceman@442.com
>
>Rick Copithorne    <richardc@equitrac.com>
>
>Steve Potter       SPotter596@aol.com
>
>Scott Martindale   smardale@airmail.net
>
>
>Thanks for your time, and I'll keep you posted of developments on a regular
>basis.
>
>Scott Martindale
>smardale@airmail.net
>1965 442 Holiday Coupe
>1965 442 Convertible
>
>
>Scott,
        I've been busy working on my 65 442. I missed the initial string.
Please add me to the list of distinguished. James L. Smith floydfan@wiltel.net

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 08:28:34 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello, a fellow owner of Oldsmobiles and I have decided to make a monthly
> newsletter dedicated to the W-machines. Are you intrested? Tell me about what
> you think and what you would like to see!


Well, OPC already sorta does this, but any others will definitely be
welcome.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 04 Aug 1996 08:24:39 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: $ Exchange rate

Ken wrote:
> 
> Wayne Schwartz wrote:
> >
> > Jim Walker wrote:
> > >
> > > I've been following the price information on cars & parts in preparation
> > > to eventually rejoin the merry world of Oldsmobiling. I'd really
> > > appreciate it if someone would please give the rate of exchange between
> > > Canadian and US $. Thanks!
> > > /jw
> > >
> > > Visit my homepage (currently under construction)!
> > > http://members.tripod.com/~walkerjim/index.html
> > Although the exchange rate fluctuates a little, usually $.73US will buy
> > $1.00 CDN
> 
>  Speaking of exchange rates.. I'm going to Toronto towards the end of
> the week. Does anyone know how it works if I charge stuff on my Visa
> from a U.S. Bank?
> 
> Ken
Ken I do the same going from Canada to the US.  You will get your
statement in US $.  They will do the exchange at the going rate.  There
also is an exchange area at each boarder crossing or go into any bank in
Canada.  Wayne

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 08:43:17 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: turbo 400 swap in g-body

>         My question is this,has anyone installed a turbo 400 in a g-body?
>  Thanks for listening
> 
It can be done.  The tunnels were made to fit with them.  My dad told
me  back in 82,(he worked for Cor*ette) that a rumor was going around GM
back in the early 80's that the 442 was to return with a 502/TH400 in
'84, but that didn't get off the ground, because Olds didn't want to
continue to pay to use the H/O name.  Also, there was an article in Hot
Rod, or PHR, about a TH400 swap into a 86 MC SS.  Don't remember what it
said, but they had no tunnel mods, had to make a crossmember mount for
it, but it didn't seem too difficult the way they did it.

Mike

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:51:10 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Chicagoland Olds list get-together

Drove out to Union yesterday for the Illinois Railway Museum
Vintage Transportation Extravaganza.  Nice day for a drive in
the country.

The only other person that I saw  there was Karl.  He came out
and showed his Delta (Soylent Ocean Mist).  Where were the
rest of you guys?   Over in the Ford area? :-)

Some notes on the show.

Very little Olds content (see above).  Didn't see any of the
usual IVOC guys either.  I did talk to one guy showing
his 1974 98 w/ Airbag option.  He had seen the Olds
page on the web and was considering going to Lansing.
I gave him the REO Museum phone number and told
him to call them as they had been advertising for a '74
w/ airbag optioned car to show during the centennial.
This guy had a '75 and '76 Olds w/ airbags also.  Since
he mentioned being on the internet I gave him Brycemans
web address and told him about the list. maybe he will join.

Probably the funniest thing I heard during the show was
when a kid walked by my car.  He pointed to the chrome
hood locks on the OAI hood and asked his mom "why
does he have the gas tank in the front?".  :-)

Andy Green must have been at the show somewhere,
as he left a note on Karls windshield at some point
in the early afternoon.  Never did see him though.
He must've been giving squeegee demonstrations
in the parking lot or something...  :-)

And the award for the must under-utilised engine had to
be the ex BN U-30-C, pulling four Pullman cars for the
excursion train.  They were using the Diesels as the
local fire department had banned them from using
their steam engine.  The weather has been so dry lately
that the last time they had the steam engine out, they
started several grass fires...

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:52:55 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you interested?

At 10:48 PM 8/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello, a fellow owner of Oldsmobiles and I have decided to make a monthly
>newsletter dedicated to the W-machines. Are you intrested? Tell me about what
>you think and what you would like to see!
>

I would be interested! One thing I would like to see is a W-Machines owner
registry. 

Ray
70 442 W-30 Conv. 4-Speed

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:06:23 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Last Call! Chicago Olds Meet This Sunday!

>> we won't have to read more of these announcements from Andy and
>> he can get back to arguing with Mike Frederick about squeegees."
>
>Dolt!  We were arguing about defoggers!
>
>...weren't we???

I am sick and tired of hearing all this endless yammering not only
over the relative merits of this vs. that, but also over what we 
were arguing about in the first place. I have better things to do
with my argument time than to waste it having to keep track of the
argument subject; this takes away from the flawless flow of my
logical argument and the sparkling invective used to propel it.

I thought we were arguing about squeegees, anyway.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:06:19 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

Hooker headers I was told do not fit the Olds in the early 
years,,Headman are the way to go for top name.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:06:19 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: headers don't fit.......

I have a 64 Olds that had the 330. I bought a set of Cyclone headers 
(Dynomax) They fit right in. A little mods were neccesary.Mainly the 
number 2 tubes on both sides. To help you out Sanderson has and or 
will make headers for your Olds.270 dollars (ouch) for block 
huggers.There is a place down Cape Cod Mass that will custom build 
full length headers for 700 doll.. (ouuuuch).I have a friend who has 
a 67 Bracket Racer with a 455.He said what he had to do was grind the 
steering shaft 1/4 in all around to have them fit,  also thought he 
said that he lost 2inch of steering as well but I am not too sure on 
that.,

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:20:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machine question

I don't know if the w-30 had to be made there but the w-31 had to be made in
Lansing, Michigan!

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:25:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?

Hello! yes this will be paper. It's in the process. Would you like to write
an article maybe? On the early w-machines.

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:25:26 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

69-72 a-body (Ch*velle, Sk*lark, L*mans) will bolt right on. 76-77 F-body
(F*rebird)
will work with new ball joints and outer tie rod ends

- ----------
> From: RCKTPWR@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:27:17 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Chicago -- Transport Extravaganza Day

Well, it went off really well, after a cloudy, muggy start that
actually had a bit of rain for a few minutes, but by early afternoon
the clouds dissipated and the sun came out for the rest of the day.
Yours truly got some good sunburn that afternoon.

The place was heavily attended and collectors brought a lot of 
different vehicles to display in amongst the trains, including some
pretty unusual stuff: military trucks, old ambulances and fire engines,
antique trucks including big rigs, etc.

As for trains, we found signs saying that the steam trains had been
banned from operating that day due to a long period of dry weather,
which would have threatened to start fires from stray sparks in the
hay being gathered in nearby fields. This led to some strange hookups
for trains that did run the museum's main line: a switching Diesel
pulling a set of 1930s Pullman passenger cars, for instance, but when
you're sitting in the midst of all that luxury, leather and varnished
wood in the Pullman, you don't much care what's pulling the train.
And they did fire up their steam engines anyway, just to run them
around the yard; it was too big an event to leave the engines unlit.

We got on one of the electric trolley cars which circle the perimeter
of the yard, and at the third stop we spotted an open area surrounded
by old steam engines which was filled with a mixture of Oldsmobiles,
along with more disreputable brands such as "Chevy" and "Ford."  :-)
We found Jeff's 4-4-2 and Karl's-- um, Karl, what was your model
again?-- anyway, his '65 was parked nearby, though Jeff and Karl
were apparently off riding trains or looking at cars while we were
there. In the same field we found some interesting Olds models: a '74
98 with factory air bags, and a circa-1955 88 next to a '71 (or whenever
it was that they had an Indy pace car edition) W30 convertible in full
pace car regalia. Took photos of all the above which I'll try to post
when I get the prints back and we can figure out exactly what was what.

We brought a picnic lunch and got a table next to the tracks where we
could see an endless procession of assorted trains going by: an old
Chicago Transit Authority electric would be followed by a steam engine,
for instance. At one point a switching engine went off down the line
by itself, and returned dragging the biggest ALCO Diesel I've ever seen
in captivity, painted in classic Sante Fe war bonnet striping. Meanwhile
on the other side of the picnic area, an old ambulance with its gumball
light going would chug by, followed by, say, a gorgeous Buick Dynaflow
on its way to a picnic on the lawn somewhere.

So it was a great day, even though we were a little underrepresented
this year. Next year we'll plan a bit more in advance, and maybe we
won't have distractions like that pesky 100th Anniversary thing to
draw off our cars to Michigan.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:38:53 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Big Red's HEI Woes Solved!

Thanks to those folks who responded to my post last week about the
problems I had putting an HEI distributor in my Cutlass.  I was able
to re-route the TH350 kick-down cable under the new distributor, and
just bend a tab on the linkage at the firewall a smidge, and now
the throttle works smooth, and more importantly, Big Red no longer
stays in first gear :)

Now, if only the weather would cooperate so I can drive the car!

Cloudy today w/ T-storms in the afternoon, a possible Nor'easter tomorrow,
earliest it'll be nice again is Thursday afternoon :P

P.S.  To the New England list members going to Olds Day up at Epping,
      I wish I could go, but I'll be driving down to Cape Cod that weekend
      for a 2 week vacay...


Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:24:31 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: more roadblox

> >I used to travel through Ohio about ten years ago to visit my brother
who
> >lived there.  He told me that the Ohio cops use a form of radar that
works
> >while the cop car is moving.  So in addition to watching for cops on the
side
> >of the road, you also have to watch for cops that are travelling in the
> >opposite direction.  Supposedly they can hit you with their moving
radar,
> >and then turn around and pursue you.
> 
> This is the case in VA too.  I've personally been clocked by a cop car in
> the oncoming lane.  If you look in the mirror and see a turn signal on on
> the cop car start blinking you know you're gonna be talking to him soon. 
So
> just because the're moving, it doesn't mean they can't clock you. 
Actually
> I thought most troopers had this type of radar.  
 
I've had this happen to me. Not to long after I plead guilty and paid my
fine I read an article about this that said radar being used this way is
very inaccurate. The cops know it to! I've read several more artilces
stating the same so I assume it's true. It has something to do with the
fact that the gun can't accuratly compute the speed it reads(from your car)
minus the cops cars speed to get what your actuall speed is. So the next
time this happens to me I'll be at the library or book store doing some
research!

Daren

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you interested?

RAy why don't you join the Olds performance chapter, their newletter is 
called W machines Already and offer to become a feature W Machines 
editor.  I'm sure the club won't turn dowm your offer of help.

I guess you could try this on your own but they have a structure in place 
and I think about +1300 members?

Would you be able to get enough response to warrant printing costs, 
mailing, etc?  I don't want to be negative but I know other people have 
tried similar things before and it's not that easy. In the mean time some 
of our existing clubs don't get the new blood and ideas to keep them 
interesting and going.

The OPC has a great car show and race every year in Hamilton OH near Dayton.


If you are an OCA member the Performance Chapter is only another  $10/YR 
Sounds like a deal to me.

Olds Performance Chapter
7 Hamilton Ct.
Whippany, NJ  07981-2014



On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Ray Moriarty wrote:

> At 10:48 PM 8/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hello, a fellow owner of Oldsmobiles and I have decided to make a monthly
> >newsletter dedicated to the W-machines. Are you intrested? Tell me about what
> >you think and what you would like to see!
> >
> 
> I would be interested! One thing I would like to see is a W-Machines owner
> registry. 
> 
> Ray
> 70 442 W-30 Conv. 4-Speed
> 

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:15:17 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Conv. Vinyl Thickness

Greetings All

I am in the process of replacing the top on my '70 Cutlass convertible.
While I was researching prices, I noticed a difference in the advertised
thickness of the vinyl material. Because the difference in price is not
great enough to affect my choice I was wondering if there were any other
issues which should have a bearing on the decision. I was thinking of going
for the thickest material for durability. But, when playing the devil's
advocate on that choice, I thought that a thicker material might not hold
up as well in the inside folds of the top frame when the top is down. Does
anyone have experience or advice on this subject?

TIA
Ray

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:40:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: [none]

Don't know why this one bounced; forwarding...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: more roadblox
Date:	Sun, 3 Aug 1997 22:24:31 -0500

> >I used to travel through Ohio about ten years ago to visit my brother
> >who
> >lived there.  He told me that the Ohio cops use a form of radar that
> >works
> >while the cop car is moving.  So in addition to watching for cops on the
> >side
> >of the road, you also have to watch for cops that are travelling in the
> >opposite direction.  Supposedly they can hit you with their moving
> >radar,
> >and then turn around and pursue you.
> 
> This is the case in VA too.  I've personally been clocked by a cop car in
> the oncoming lane.  If you look in the mirror and see a turn signal on on
> the cop car start blinking you know you're gonna be talking to him soon. 
> So
> just because the're moving, it doesn't mean they can't clock you. 
> Actually
> I thought most troopers had this type of radar.  
 
I've had this happen to me. Not to long after I plead guilty and paid my
fine I read an article about this that said radar being used this way is
very inaccurate. The cops know it to! I've read several more artilces
stating the same so I assume it's true. It has something to do with the
fact that the gun can't accuratly compute the speed it reads(from your car)
minus the cops cars speed to get what your actuall speed is. So the next
time this happens to me I'll be at the library or book store doing some
research!

Daren

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:38:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: turbo 400 swap in g-body

In a message dated 97-08-04 08:48:34 EDT, you write:

<< >         My question is this,has anyone installed a turbo 400 in a
g-body?
 >  Thanks for listening
 > 
 It can be done.  The tunnels were made to fit with them.  My dad told
 me  back in 82,(he worked for Cor*ette) that a rumor was going around GM
 back in the early 80's that the 442 was to return with a 502/TH400 in
 '84, but that didn't get off the ground, because Olds didn't want to
 continue to pay to use the H/O name.  Also, there was an article in Hot
 Rod, or PHR, about a TH400 swap into a 86 MC SS.  Don't remember what it
 said, but they had no tunnel mods, had to make a crossmember mount for
 it, but it didn't seem too difficult the way they did it.
 
 Mike
  >>

Yeah Mike I know for a fact that a lot of the Buick TR (Turbo Regal) Boys
 have been using them for drag racing in their G body GNs and T Types. 
 There is a Buick Regal Home Page that has a ton of info that could be
 used for the G body Olds too.  Anybody that wants that link can do a
 search or can EMail me and Ill send them the HyperLink.  Dont think our 
"Buick Brothers" will mind sharing that information.  TIM

Cnvrtbl442@AOL.COM       <--68 and 87 T Type

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:46:46 -0300
From: joseph b duncan <jbduncan@iquest.net>
Subject: 55 olds

To all:

I want to sell my 1955 Olds Super 88, 4dr HT, 43,000 miles, Original.  Not
quite a #2 but a very, very nice #3.  Looks good, runs good.  Asking $7,700.
East Central Indiana Area.

Joe
jbduncan@iquest.net

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 10:54:05 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: RWD Aurora power

>      While I think it would be cool to put this 
>      in an A-body, 300 hp and 300 ft-lb of torque just don't excite me 
>      after driving a 455 with 370 (rated) hp and 500 ft-lb of torque.  
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>      
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
> 
You need to take into consideration that a 455 w/370hp and 500ft-lb is
about 300hp and 400ft-lb net. So the hp will be about the same but a LOT
less turque. How about '64 F-85 w/ Aurora engine late model f body 6speed
3.90-4.33 rear gears? Complete Aurora drivetrain in a '66 Toro? Now that I
think about it I wouldn't mind having an Aurora engine in my '89 GMC C1500!

Daren

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 10:47:28 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: mroe roadblox

>It has something to do with the
>fact that the gun can't accuratly compute the speed it reads(from your car)
>minus the cops cars speed to get what your actual speed is.

Certainly the box would be capable of subtracting the police car's
speed from the target speed in order to reveal the target's actual
speed relative to the road. But as the target draws near and prepares
to pass by the oncoming police car (especially if it's on a divided
highway where the target will not be passing particularly close), its
angle off the center axis of the police car's travel will become wider
and wider, and its measured speed as the radar gun perceives it will
be _slower_. So assuming you are the target, any error that develops
will be in your favor, not against you. This is something I imagine 
they might try to prove in court if you call them on it.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:53:02 -0300
From: joseph b duncan <jbduncan@iquest.net>
Subject: 55 olds

To All,  I want to sell my 1955 Olds Super 88, 4 dr HT, 43,000 miles,
Original.  Not quite a #2 but a very very nice #3.  Looks good, runs good.
Asking $7,700. East central Indiana area.

Joe
jbduncan@iquest.net

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:01:01 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: BB heads

>Is it possible to put BB heads on a 350?
>-- 
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>CreamerSoft© Software
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
>**********************************
>
- ----------
I did this on a '72 350 used j? heads. A LOT of porting work on the intake.
They will bolt right on. Not worth the trouble unless you are building an
all out street/strip engine.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:11:14 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Auction stuff...

> > For Waler: 66 Delta 88 Convertable
> > Sorry, none shown...
> I should have known, I never have seen another one of these for sale or
> otherwise.  I wonder if I am the only one that likes these cars or if
they
> are just not many left?
> Walter

My '65 Dyanmic 88 is just about identicle to your '66 Delta. Differant
trim, minor sheet metal differances. The last time I looked up the value of
my car (about a year ago) average to good condition  I think was around
5-6k. I would imagine since you have a Delta and a convertible it  would
raise it's value a little over my cars value.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 09:02:30 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: '83 H/O For Sale

There's an '83 H/O for sale here in Spokane, WA.  It looked like a good
deal so I went and looked at it.  Unfortunately, I'm not in a position
to buy.  If anyone is interested, please let me know and I'll get the
phone number from home for you.

'83 H/O, 130k miles.  $3000 obo.  (I'll bet I could part it out and get
more than that!)  I checked, and the car is genuine (VIN and body tag
say so).  Original 307 w/ 5A heads.  Currently is equipped with a TH400
tranny (previous owner swapped in for unknown reasons), but the original
TH-200-4R (correct code OZ, minus torque converter.  Condition unknown,
but probably needs a rebuild--why else put in the TH400?) comes with the
car.  307 Idles rough, carb problems, and has some blowby (hey, with
that TH400 already there, why not put in a 455!).  The car has been a
daily driver for a few years.  Original 8.5" 3.73:1 limited slip rear. 
No T-tops.  Car is generally in rough shape, but all there and just
needs some TLC.  Needs paint badly.  A few rips in the interior, and a
very small rust spot on the passenger side fender behind the front wheel
(doors and frame are rust-free).  The car comes with several NOS trim
pieces, a new TH-200-4R shifter cable, and a few misc. parts that the
owner just hasn't had time to put on.  Wheels are in excellent shape,
and comes with four snow tires on separate rims.  The front airdam is
missing.  Spoiler, hood, hood ornament, grills, headlight bezels and
interior H/O-specific parts are all there and in very good shape.

He said the other guy who came to look at it wants to strip it, tub it,
slap a chevy big block in and turn it into a drag car.  Somebody please
save it!  This car is a good candidate for either restoration (needs
paint and a hundred little items, but nothing major like frame rot), or
hot-rodding (slap in a 455, new paint, decals, and it's set to go).

The owner of the car said that he has sent several parts of the car to
Lauren Engineering (he has them back on the car now) so that they could
pull molds off of these parts.  In exchange he gets a serious discount,
so whomever buys the car can probably get a front spoiler and/or a
stripe kit from them for cheap.  Among the parts he sent them were the
shifter bezel, which is currently made of unobtanium.  So look for a
reproduction of these soon!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:33:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA

Following Joe Padavano's lead, I went to Chubby's in Manassas VA this
weekend.  Joe, I couldn't find you there.  I got there around 9pm on
Saturday and there were still plenty of cars there.  I don't know when
this really gets started, and I had other obligations until then.

Many cars of all makes were present.  In the Olds department I saw a '67 442, 
a '67 C/S convertible, a mid-80's 442, and a '70 C/S or 442 holiday coupe
(I saw it as I was leaving; didn't get close enough to really id the car).
There was also another coupe, a '70(?) Cutlass  And on the street I saw a
parked car that was a Cutlass from about '77(?).  And of course, my '71 C/S
convertible was there.

We checked out all the cars, then went inside Chubby's for the obligatory
cheeseburger and milkshake.  It was a lot of fun.  I recommend it to any
people in the Northern Virginia area that have the time, whether you have a
car you want to show or not.
- -- 
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew Senko
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 12:54:26 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: 350 swap (was Re: 403 swap)

Shang wrote:
> 
>     Thanks for responding. So do all or most of the post-73 blocks have
> the holes for the center style motor mounts?

Huh? Post 73? Not "including 73"? I want to know if I can slap a 69 350
into my 73. This will work right?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
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CreamerSoft© Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 11:58:24 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: James-- Re: 1964-65 442/Cutlass info update...

James,

Thanks for your response!  I'll keep you posted on developments and
additions of info. There are several 1965 magazine test-drive reviews that
will be on Bryceman's site when he finds time to put them up.  The other
major project that I'm just about half-way through with is an HTML
browser-version of the 1965 Cutlass/442 assembly manual with tables and
cross references.  I'll let you know when it's finished...

"Talk" to you later!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:21:26 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA

I'm planning on going this comming Saturday night- where is it in Manassas- the last cruise I did up there 
was when Jerry's pizza was big (and my car was in the condition to get 901 points at Templeton olds).

Anyway, if you see a blue '71 cutlass supreme 'vertable with a blown clearcoat and primer grey W-30 hood 
(Hey, the new sheetmetal and paint goes on this winter!) don't laugh, just wave.  At least I got $10,000 in 
the mechanical parts even though it's just a built 350/350 drivetrain...


- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:40:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: SPotter596@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1964-65 442/Cutlass info update...(bryceman)

I am surprised Ron Forsee is not here, Is his car as nice as it looks, I have
his,
martindale's and yours(white and reddead)on my garage wall blown up as a
motivation and appreciatinion source. Your stable is awesome.The apprehender
is especially asthetic.(looks like a beast)

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 13:49:22 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Toronado Model For Sale (8/4)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

Diecast model Toronado by Pilen.  Made in Spain.  1967?, four inches in
length.  Bright metallic blue, with a white interior.  Low detail chrome
front bumper and grill.  Low detail chrome notched rear bumper.  Full
wheelcovers and blackwall tires.  Opening doors, movable front
seatbacks, and even a tiny chrome ³dragster² steering wheel and a huge
chrome console-mounted shifter.  ³Toronado² cast high in each front
fender and on the right red tail light.  Unpainted diecast headlight
assembiles open with a lever under the right front bumper, revealing
four ³jewel² headlights.  ³Oldsmobile² and a crude Rocket emblem case
into the header, between the headlights.  Held inside the original
orange and clear plastic display case, by a single screw into the center
of the chassis from below.  Case shows much wear but no breaks or cracks
and model is in very good condition.  I purchased this new about 1970,
but do not know exactly when they were produced.  This doesn¹t show much
accurate detail and may not be of accurate proportions, but hopefully
will be worth $23.00 as an addition to someone¹s Toronado collection.
$23.00 includes shipping to any address in North America.  (8/4/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this model, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner ===========+
|        | | |   OCA #3943             |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan   |
|        | | |   tgstoner@umich.edu    |
|         ===                          |
+======================================+

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:09:33 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics

At 01:27 AM 8/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
>> Anyone see the shoot out in the August Isse of Popular Mechanics between
>> vintage iron and them new-fangled plastic cars?  How about that W-30 eh?
>
>  I missed that one.. do tell.. 
>
>Ken
>
   I saw the article and the best I can remember(I work the graveyard
shift;.))they
put up the muscle cars against the new 'vette and a c*bra.Because of weight
diff-
erences the plastic cars won.The muscle car pics were great.
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 15:29:07 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 67' 442 motor mounts

At 03:26 AM 8/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>My local parts house and YO do not list engine mounts for the 65-68 400
>motors.
>do I use small block mounts or later model BB mounts
>

        They use neither. They have there own specific mount for these engines. 

Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 15:42:52 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Cars for sale

More cars for sale from Classified 2000.

Cool Notify found the following items :

1955 Oldsmobile 88 holiday, 100K miles, $7,000, Lansing, Michigan
Day: (517) 377-4960  Eve: (517) 381-9666  Mail: helsleybill@acd.net
1962 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight, 54K miles, $2,000, Parker, Colorado
Day: (303) 840-3519  Mail: tobiasson@worldnet.att.com
1967 Oldsmobile F-85, 1K miles, $5,000, Shingle Springs, California
Day: (916) 677-7751  
To view the complete ads, go to:
http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?135890+03-AUG-97

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:54:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: "F" Stamping

In a message dated 97-08-02 11:43:42 EDT, you write:

<< Hi 
 
 Have a question about the F code on the rear of the 455 engines
 In FAQ its mentioned that F5 and F6 have higher nickel content 
 In a mondello article I read he mentioned that the lower F0 F00 F1 and so
 on up
 to F4 were the better block to use for performance
 As I remember the F10 were the worst blocks incapable of being bored out
 more then 0.45 over because
 of thin water jackets
 I personally have been stocking up on F1 and F2 blocks for my own use for
 years now 
 and just would like some clarification to this
 By what I was told that the only place you may find a F0 block is a 68 Toro
 or a 68 Hurst
 Won't these motors have gotten the better Block Castings?
 
  >>
You are right Bob, the F0 to F1 blocks are the highest nickel content and
thickest 
walls for the water Jackets.  I have a 68 Toro block with the F0 code on it.

w machines

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?

In a message dated 97-08-04 00:30:18 EDT, you write:

<< Hello, a fellow owner of Oldsmobiles and I have decided to make a monthly 
 newsletter dedicated to the W-machines. Are you intrested? Tell me about
what 
 you think and what you would like to see!
      
      I'd be interested.  Will this be electronic or paper?
      
      Joe Padavano
      padavano.joe@orbital.com
       >>
Hey Joe, there is already a newsletter called W-machines.  Its produced by
the 
OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE CHAPTER.  They have a registered right on the name
w-machines for newsletters or magazines.  You will have to call it something
else 

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30
member of OCA and OPC

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-08-04 00:30:18 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Hello, a fellow owner of Oldsmobiles and I have decided to make a
monthly 
>  newsletter dedicated to the W-machines. Are you intrested? Tell me
about
> what 
>  you think and what you would like to see!
>       
>       I'd be interested.  Will this be electronic or paper?
>       
>       Joe Padavano
>       padavano.joe@orbital.com
>        >>
> Hey Joe, there is already a newsletter called W-machines.  Its
produced by
> the 
> OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE CHAPTER.  They have a registered right on the
name
> w-machines for newsletters or magazines.  You will have to call it
something
> else 

***************************************
PLEASE PLEASE! Will the Performance Chapter consider putting out a
REAL newsletter like they used to in the mid 80s.............It was
jam packed with neat performance info and stories.

If this happens, I'll gladly join again.

===
John Pajak   OCA, CCR
Lexington Park, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com 




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Sent: 	Friday, August 01, 1997 6:04 AM
To: 	Sammy Leung; May Huang; Kevin Till; Kenny Lau; James Cheung; Dennis Lee; Billy Chan
Subject: 	Internet Virus

> ------------------------[ Original Message ]--------------------
>To		: Users at APHQ@Systems@APHQ,Andrew Chan@SYSTEMS@NHK
>Cc		: 
>From		: Andrew Pang@Systems@APHQ
>Date		: Friday, August 1, 1997 at 10:38:44 am HKT
>
>This information was received this morning from IBM, please share it
>with anyone that might access the Internet:  If anyone receives e-mail
>entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please delete it WITHOUT
>READING IT!!  This is a warning for all Internet users - there is a
>dangerous virus propagating across the Internet through an e-mail
>message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!"
>
>DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY MESSAGE ENTITLED "PENPAL GREETINGS"!! This
>
>message appears to be a friendly letter asking you if you are interested
>in  a penpal, but by the time you read the letter, it
>is too late. The "trojan horse" virus will have already infected the
>boot sector of your hard drive, destroying all of the data
>present.  It is a self-replicating virus, and once the message is read,
>it will AUTOMATICALLY forward itself to anyone whose e-mail address
>is present in YOUR mailbox!
>
>This virus will DESTROY your hard drive, and holds the potential to
>DESTROY the hard drive of anyone whose mail is in your IN BOX, and
>whose mail is in their in box and so on.  If this virus keeps getting
>passed, it has the potential to do a great deal of damage to computer
>networks 
>worldwide!!!!
>
>Please, delete the message entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" AS SOON AS YOU
>SEE IT!
>Pass this message along to all of your friends and other readers of the
>newsgroups and mailing lists which you are on so that they are not hurt
>by this dangerous virus!!!!
>
>Please pass this along to everyone you know so this can be stopped.
>
>IMPORTANT!!!!
>
>It is essential that this problem be reconciled as soon as possible.
>A few hours ago, Someone opened an E-mail that had the subject
>heading of "ao4free.com".  Within seconds of opening it, a window appeared

>and began to display all files that were being deleted.
>The user immediately shut down the computer,  but it was too late.
>This virus wiped all out. It ate the Anti-Virus Software that comes with
the 
>Windows '95 Program along with F-Prot AVS.  Neither was able to detect it.
 
>Please be careful and send this to as many people as possible, so maybe
this 
>new virus can be eliminated.
>
>Please pass this on...........to anyone you know
>***** NOTES from Joe Cheung (JOC @ POSCELIN) at 8/01/97 8:53 AM
>
>
>
>
>================================================================
>=====

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:42:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION

..Thanx for info, alot of 76-77 f-body around.  I'm putting a TORQUE PLUS
intake gasket on my 71 350. 

>they say do to clearance problems I shouldnt use the end seals, what does
everone think. It says to use rtv instead. I did a job on a v*tte once, and
the rtv worked fine.
 
>Im putting an ederbrock alum. on my 350
 I also have a 67 c/s conv for sale, very rusty body but good frame. car has
p/b, p/s, a/c, and p/bench seat, 330 4v, powerglide. top mech all there.
asking 500 obo.

>>also 67 442 frame w/308 posi 4 sale. car has putty body still attached 300
obo

I miss olds in NASCAR COMP, ALSO IN NHRA.   THANX 4 THE HELP
bernie----------67 f-85-----67 442 conv.-----86 cutlass salon --69
mach-1-iknow but it was my 1st luv!!!

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