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oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, July 26 1997       Volume 01 : Number 771



1966 Cutlass FS
Re: Does anyone know of a marshall or Chad Sageser
Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 F-85 Parts
Hallmark Hurst Olds
Need front wheel bearing seal for 70-98LS
email list
email list
Re: email list
Re: Does anyone know of a marshall or Chad Sageser
Does anyone know if Oldsmobile made a convertible W-31 in 1970?
Re: Does anyone know if Oldsmobile made a convertible W-31 in 1970?
Re: Smoky Mountain Olds Show
Re: New exhaust...faster car?
AC compressors
starting long term stored car
Re: AC compressors
Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed info on caravan!
Full-sizer Heater/Vent Question
Re: email list
Re: Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed info on
caravan! Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 F-85 Parts Intro and part needed Re: starting long
term stored car Re: Intro and part needed Re: starting long term stored car Re:
Full-sizer Heater/Vent Question Re: starting long term stored car car parts
Chicago Area Meeting Signup Information Mirror for 69 442 convertible Re: Are
you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed info on carav Car
show in Illinois Tomorrow, July 27 Windows 98 Mail Program Pictures
rcolombo@sonic.net Picture request all 442's Sorry a bit confused Re: Mirror 
for
69 442 convertible 68-72 car parts Re: Does anyone know if Oldsmobile made a
convertible W-31 in 1970? Re: Full-sizer Heater/Vent Question Road construction
 Screwed ? Re: Windows 98 Mail Program Re: Picture request all 442's Re:
Windows 98 Mail Program Re: 68-72 car parts

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 19:18:39 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Subject: 1966 Cutlass FS

Just recently purchased a 1966 Cutlass.which is fine running condition. All
glass, including windshield, appear excellent. PS,PB, A/C (minus hoses, and
compressor) otherwise all there. Automatic trans, Console, buckets,
Oldsmobile vacuum gauge on console, am pushbutton radio, padded dash
(cracked). The only rust on the car is in the trunk with small pinholes in
a 6x6'' area. Car sports original paint very faded on trunk lid. No rust
behind back window, Has vinyl top(a little shrunken at rear, otherwise OK.)
Paint code- T2     Trim-980 (black)  Style-66 33817. No major damage on
body, no visible signs of bondo, or quarter panel damge. Missing left front
trim by wheelwell molding. Bumpers could use chrome, and straightening.
Motor appears original with air cleaner saying cutlass and high compression
on it. Four barrel carb (Rochester Qjet) No smoking, or oil leaks on
driveway. Looks like a real survivor. Car was built in Fremont, Ca. and was
last recently in L.A area. Car needs a paint job, minor body work to remove
dings, and two scratches( very minor) some upholstery repair,tires, and a
good detail to make it a very nice car. Back seat is intact, as side panels
on doors, except for the carpet on the bottoms. Car sports original
hubcaps, with two missing the center emblems. I plan to ask for $2500.00
firm in Hemmings ,for anybody on the Olds list that is interested the price
is $2000.00 firm. If no sale, i will do the car, and sell at a later date.
Anybody buying the car  can get the bumpers chromed at very reduced cost
thru me. Please email me directly if anybody is interested.
maldana@quix.net   Video is available for $10.00 showing the car in and
out, top and bottom.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 21:35:08 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <ACG@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of a marshall or Chad Sageser

> If anyone knows who marshall or Chad Sageser email us!
> We own their W-31! Thank-you!

Do they live in Kentucky?

    M A & Martha Sageser
    8492 Watersedge Dr
    Florence, KY 41042-8840
    (606) 283-5141

    C Sageser
    217 Potomac Dr
    Georgetown, KY 40324-1416
    (502) 863-6757

Kind of unscientific, but this was the only pairing
where both an M. Sageser and a C. Sageser lived in the
same state. There's a Chad Sageser in Wauconda, IL, too.
Good luck, be polite, don't call after 9 p.m., etc.  :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606         Fax: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 22:33:54 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 F-85 Parts

LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
>
> > > I am in need of some help. I need some parts for a '62 Olds F-85. I
> > > need the 2-brl carb rebuilt or a new direct replacement. If anyone
> > > has the four barrel manifold and carb for the '62 F-85 that might be
> > > an option. I am also gonna be puting an MSD coil and 6A has anybody
> > > got some good word on that. I am asking for full cooperation
> > > considering I am overseas right now and only have E-mail access and
> > > mail.
> > >
> > > thanx
> > >
> > > Ben
> > > '62 Olds F-85
> > > '68 Olds 442
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > I don't have a lead on the 2-barrel carb, but I have a 4-barrel
> > manifold.  I used a Carter AFB on it for a while when I was fixing my
> > turbo.  The AFB's are easily found & do perk up that 215.
> >
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
>
> Bill,
>
> How much would you like for that 4-barrel manifold, and what cfm carb
> did you use? I have figured some where about 390 cfm should be just
> right.
>
> Ben
> '62 Olds F-85
> '68 Olds 442
> (Persian Gulf)

Ben,

I used a Pontiac AFB unit from about '63-64.  It must have been 550 or
600cfm.  It worked just fine.  I hate to say it, but it felt just as
good as the turbo.

I would like $50 for the intake.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 23:12:38 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Hallmark Hurst Olds

 Hey All,
My wife just presented me with one. I don't even remember mentioning it to
her. I always knew she was telepathic.
BTW,  The ICQ Chat thing works really well. I spent part of this evening
"real time " chatting with Brad Bowles from this list.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/newcomer.htm

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 00:19:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: Need front wheel bearing seal for 70-98LS

Dennis Sytsma Wrote this:

If you want to respond to me from this message please reply to my
sytsma@gzinc.com mailbox.

If you are a member of Olds Club of Florida, please send me a message to
tell me where in Florida do you live and what cars do you own.  I will
add you to my addressbook. I want to compile a list of Olds Club of
Florida e mail's to share with the club.

I have a 1970 olds 98 LS and cannot locate a new front wheel bearing
seal.  If you have a part number or where I can find it, please send me
email.  I also need a left front fender and a left rear quarter panel
for the same car. Hurricane Andrew dented the car badly, and I would like
to fix it. A cruise control vacume servo is also needed.  I placed an ad
in OCA and one guy called me about the servo and said he would send me
his address on a postcard so I could send him a check, but he never did.
I guess he couldn't find the part.

Also my dad's 86 delta 88 has a problem with the low fuel alarm "bonging"
all the time. A mechnic tried to disconnet it by unplugging the fuel
gadge but then the fuel pump did not work.  The Parts manager suggested
replacement of the alarm module. I found that rats had chewed on the
wires near the firewall, but had not cut through the wires.  I tried to
find a good service manual on the car but could not.  Anyone know a good
source for the service manual, the part number and cost?  Any suggestions
how to fix the low fuel alarm?

Please respond to my sytsma@gzinc.com mailbox.

Thanks Dennis


Dennis Jon Sytsma

Homestead, Florida

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org    (this mailbox, text only)

I survived Hurricane Andrew! Ask me about it!

visit my new internet homepage and give me your comments or ideas

http://home.gzinc.com/sytsma/

my full internet account is:   sytsma@gzinc.com

please send large files to sytsma@gzinc.com or cc/forward a copy to
sytsma@gzinc.com to insure I get your message.

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:15:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: email list

my computer [ibm aptiva] will not allow email to be sent when subject collum
is blank.      is there another way to access majordomo@ccn.cs.dal.ca

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: email list

do you have a ph ª i could call?

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:35:09 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: email list

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
>
> my computer [ibm aptiva] will not allow email to be sent when subject
> collum is blank.      is there another way to access
> majordomo@ccn.cs.dal.ca

Put anything in, like "Admin".  Majordomo won't care.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 09:38:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone know of a marshall or Chad Sageser

Hello! I need to know of a Chad Sageser in Illinois! They restored my car and
i have to ask them alot of questions! Do you have the address and number for
Chad in Illinois? Thank you! : )

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:16:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Does anyone know if Oldsmobile made a convertible W-31 in 1970?

hello! I happen to own an olds w-31 and I was wondering if you could tell me
if they ever made a convertible W-31. Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 97 10:36:18 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if Oldsmobile made a convertible W-31 in 1970?

>hello! I happen to own an olds w-31 and I was wondering if you could tell me
>if they ever made a convertible W-31. Thanks!

I show that "ONLY" 26 Olds Cutlass Convertibles with the W-31 package
were produced in 1969. None were made in 68' or 70'. These 26
convertibles were from a total of 913 W-31's produced that year.

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:54:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smoky Mountain Olds Show

Hey Jay!
    I've never been to the Smoky Mountain show but an Olds show is a
wonderful "thang" no matter how many or where-ever. If you should run into
Lee Brown (beautiful black 67 442) tell him Ron Forsee (beautiful "root-beer"
65 442) says hello.
It's too bad that your show conflicts with the Oldsmobile Performance
Nationals in Middletown, Ohio on Aug. 1&2 or we'd have a bigger
Oldsglomeration.
                                                         Have a blast!
                                                          Ron Forsee
                                                           65 442-Meister

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 10:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New exhaust...faster car?

HI Matt,
        Since you are going to be evacuating those cylinders much faster and
more nearly completely, you may want to consider richening your mixture a
bit, ie; bigger jetting.
                                                  Ron Forsee
                                                   65 442-Meister

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 11:14:11 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: AC compressors

Hello all,

I've just about got my air conditoner blown out  and ready to go back on the
vista cruiser.  I'm wondering what I should do about the 25 year old
compressor.  I'm not sure I like the idea of putting the air conditioner
back together with the old compressor only to have it or blow a seal or
otherwise break down.  I can't help but think I'm pushing my luck by
re-installing it.  Does anyone know how long an AC compresor is good for?
Do they generally leak freon when they go?  The last time I checked I could
get a rebuilt compressor for <$90 but at the same time I don't like to spend
money I don't need to.  I mean heck, if they're anything like the
refrigerators that were built in the 50's and 60's then I probably won't
need to replace the compressor for at least another 20 years, right? :)
There's tons of thoes old 'friges still chugging away in garages and on back
porches throughout the country!  And they can still freeze a beer solid!

Thanks in advance for any advice and information.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser  (Lansing or bust!)
`67 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: 26 Jul 97 11:31:08 EDT
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: starting long term stored car

Hi Everyone,

I am purchasing an '83 Cutlass Ciera from a friend so I can finally retire my
Cutlass Supreme from active duty.  I went to the FAQ to read up on the 
procedure
for starting a long term stored vehicle (the car has been sitting for about two
years now). The FAQ suggests putting gas in the float bowl of the carb before
starting, however this car has a 4cyl P@nti*c engine with EFI. Does anyone have
a procedure to get some gas to the top of the engine before startup?  I know 
the
EFI and carb are very similar in design but I do not have much knowledge about
either of these fuel delivery systems.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera (soon)

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 12:00:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: AC compressors

In a message dated 97-07-26 11:04:12 EDT, you write:

> I've just about got my air conditoner blown out  and ready to go back on
the
>  vista cruiser.  I'm wondering what I should do about the 25 year old
>  compressor.

Replace it.

>  I'm not sure I like the idea of putting the air conditioner
>  back together with the old compressor only to have it or blow a seal or
>  otherwise break down.

It will.

>  I can't help but think I'm pushing my luck by
>  re-installing it.

You are.

>  Does anyone know how long an AC compresor is good for?

The OE one on my olds lasted 15 years.

>  Do they generally leak freon when they go?

Yes.

>  The last time I checked I could
>  get a rebuilt compressor for <$90 but at the same time I don't like to
spend
>  money I don't need to.

Consider the cost of the freon that you would lose otherwise.
Did you replace the hoses and accumulator.  This is recommended.  You also
need to make sure the system will hold a vacuum before you fill it.  You
might consider converting to an alternative refrigerant, too.
Check out:
       www.aircondition.com

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, 3.08 diff., TH350)
84 Camaro (305-4V, 3.08 diff., TH700R4, low options)

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 12:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed info on
caravan!

Hello! I own a 70 442 and i was wondering if i should drive it to Lansing in
the caravan. Does anyone know if we'll be able to make stops after we leave
Tinley park, Illinois? What do we do if an oldsmobile in the caravan stalls?
Will there be trailers or tow trucks?

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 13:54:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Full-sizer Heater/Vent Question

Thanks to Kevin O'Brien I have a fax copy of the '78 service manual
section dealing with the heater/vent system on the old '78 Delta I got as
a driver. But I have a question that it doesn't seem to address.

The car doesn't have a/c so the heater/vent system is controlled by a
series of cables. It has a center dash vent for fresh air, and you have
to pull out the center vent control to move air though it. That part
works fine, and a trickle of air comes out when you do. However, I seem
to remember that these vents were fan-forced. On this one, when you turn
the fan to medium or high, the air stops! Is that normal? I'd love to
know where it goes... and how to get the fan to push more air through there.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:03:26 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: email list

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
>
> my computer [ibm aptiva] will not allow email to be sent when subject collum
> is blank.      is there another way to access majordomo@ccn.cs.dal.ca

I, too, have an IBM Aptiva.  I get on the net with the Microsoft
software that was on the hard drive when I got it and have noticed no
particular problems.  I can't remember if I've always used a subject or
not but I will try it to find out.

Don Sowers

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:17:30 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed 
info
on caravan!

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello! I own a 70 442 and i was wondering if i should drive it to Lansing in
> the caravan. Does anyone know if we'll be able to make stops after we leave
> Tinley park, Illinois? What do we do if an oldsmobile in the caravan stalls?
> Will there be trailers or tow trucks?

TRAILERS?
TOW TRUCKS?

An Olds being ingloriously transported to an Olds bash?  Surely this
could never happen.  Wish I could run with you folks to the Party.
Instead my softball team is playing in the state tournament just across
the river from Cincinnati.  Sure wish they were on different weekends so
I could go to both.  I know, I know get, my priorities in order, but
since I coach the guys they would be somewhat irritated if didn't go to
the tourney.  Y'all have  a great time.

Don

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 18:58:32 +0000
From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 F-85 Parts

> > Bill,
> >
> > How much would you like for that 4-barrel manifold, and what cfm carb
> > did you use? I have figured some where about 390 cfm should be just
> > right.
> >
> > Ben
> > '62 Olds F-85
> > '68 Olds 442
> > (Persian Gulf)
>
> Ben,
>
> I used a Pontiac AFB unit from about '63-64.  It must have been 550 or
> 600cfm.  It worked just fine.  I hate to say it, but it felt just as
> good as the turbo.
>
> I would like $50 for the intake.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Bill,

If you would just give me your mailing address I will send you a
check or money order (your preference.) If you would like to find out
how much it's gonna cost to send it (to washington state) I will be
more than happy to pay for shipping too. U.S. Postal will work just
fine. Thank you

Ben
'62 Olds F-85
'68 Olds 442

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:49:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Intro and part needed

Hi, all.

I live in Western Mass and have a 1969 442 converitble - white with with
uphostery and blue carpet and dash. It's got the 400 engine and automatic
trans with dual gate console shifter.  The car actually belongs to my son,
but he leaves it at home, rather than risk it in Boston (no safe place to
park
it).

I'm looking for a left axle.  My mechanic says I need a "12 bolt system c"
axel.  It isn't held in by a c-clip, and Year One described it as being a
"12-bolt with a ten bolt cover."  They didn't have the part.

I've got the list of Olds parts & accessories from the 442 site, but most
of the businesses are closed for the weekend.  The few I reached didn't
have the part.

Got a couple of racing supply places to check on Monday and the mechanic
is checking with a yard he knows of in Florida.

Does anyone know whether the old axle can be repaird by turning true and
pressing on a sleeve?  I've heard of this being done of other (non auto)
applications, so I'm wondering if this is an reasonable alternative to a
new (i.e., expensive) shaft or used shaft.

TIA for any help.

Don Sugarman
Pittsfield, MA

sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:19:16 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: starting long term stored car

>
>Hi Everyone,
>
>I am purchasing an '83 Cutlass Ciera from a friend so I can finally retire my
>Cutlass Supreme from active duty.  I went to the FAQ to read up on the
procedure
>for starting a long term stored vehicle (the car has been sitting for about 
two
>years now). The FAQ suggests putting gas in the float bowl of the carb before
>starting, however this car has a 4cyl P@nti*c engine with EFI.
>Does anyone have
>a procedure to get some gas to the top of the engine before startup?

Just turn the key.  If it's EFI it should have an electrc fuel pump.  It
doesn't run unless the engine is turning, so you just have to crank awile.
With any luck she'll fire up after 30 seconds or so.

Good luck.  Hope I was of some help.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:14:40 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Intro and part needed

 Don,
I too am looking for a left axle for my 69 Cutlass S convertible. It is
white with a black interior. If you find a source of either repair or
replacement I would appreciate if you would let me know. Likewise I will
inform you if I find something.
My axle is from the 12 bolt diff. and is type "O" (no "c" clips).
Yours sounds strange. If it is a type "C", it should have c clips and a 10
bolt diff. How many splines does it have? Mine is 28.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/newcomer.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 26, 1997 1:51 PM
Subject: Intro and part needed



>Hi, all.
>
>I live in Western Mass and have a 1969 442 converitble - white with with
>uphostery and blue carpet and dash. It's got the 400 engine and automatic
>trans with dual gate console shifter.  The car actually belongs to my son,
>but he leaves it at home, rather than risk it in Boston (no safe place to
>park
>it).
>
>I'm looking for a left axle.  My mechanic says I need a "12 bolt system c"
>axel.  It isn't held in by a c-clip, and Year One described it as being a
>"12-bolt with a ten bolt cover."  They didn't have the part.
>
>I've got the list of Olds parts & accessories from the 442 site, but most
>of the businesses are closed for the weekend.  The few I reached didn't
>have the part.
>
>Got a couple of racing supply places to check on Monday and the mechanic
>is checking with a yard he knows of in Florida.
>
>Does anyone know whether the old axle can be repaird by turning true and
>pressing on a sleeve?  I've heard of this being done of other (non auto)
>applications, so I'm wondering if this is an reasonable alternative to a
>new (i.e., expensive) shaft or used shaft.
>
>TIA for any help.
>
>Don Sugarman
>Pittsfield, MA
>
>sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:25:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: starting long term stored car

In a message dated 97-07-26 15:07:48 EDT, you write:

<< >Hi Everyone,
 >
 >I am purchasing an '83 Cutlass Ciera from a friend so I can finally retire
my
 >Cutlass Supreme from active duty.  I went to the FAQ to read up on the
 procedure
 >for starting a long term stored vehicle (the car has been sitting for about
two
 >years now). The FAQ suggests putting gas in the float bowl of the carb
before
 >starting, however this car has a 4cyl P@nti*c engine with EFI.
 >Does anyone have
 >a procedure to get some gas to the top of the engine before startup?

 Just turn the key.  If it's EFI it should have an electrc fuel pump.  It
 doesn't run unless the engine is turning, so you just have to crank awile.
 With any luck she'll fire up after 30 seconds or so.
  >>

I have had both 2.8 and 3.8 cars, Olds and Buic*, and they have
 had EFI. With the SFI cars there is a fuel rail that you can hook
 up a line to, schrader valve style and drain the old fuel.  When
 we take our T Type to the drags I use the line and the fuel pump
 to drain the stock 92 octane out to put racing gas in. When I turn
the key on the electric fuel pump takes the system up to pressure
 and or to drain the system thru the hose.  You might want to
 consider getting that old fuel out first before starting it.  I would
 also check things like the air filter and the oil, water before launch.
  hope this is helpful, theres probably more ideas too, just not that
 many can come from my brain at one time...TIM

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:45:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: acg@dlogics.com
Subject: Re: Full-sizer Heater/Vent Question

> The car doesn't have a/c so the heater/vent system is controlled by a
> series of cables. It has a center dash vent for fresh air, and you have
> to pull out the center vent control to move air though it. That part
> works fine, and a trickle of air comes out when you do. However, I seem
> to remember that these vents were fan-forced. On this one, when you turn
> the fan to medium or high, the air stops! Is that normal?

I think the center vent is normally fan-forced only on A/C equipped
cars. On non-A/C cars the only fan-forced vents were the heater
(floor) and windshield defroster ducts; whatever other vents were
there would be ram-air fed from outside only. Older non-A/C cars
deleted that center vent altogether.

- -- Andy

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:49:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: acg@dlogics.com
Subject: Re: starting long term stored car

> The FAQ suggests putting gas in the float bowl of the carb before
> starting, however this car has a 4cyl P@nti*c engine with EFI.
> Does anyone have
> a procedure to get some gas to the top of the engine before startup?

Just twist the key. With luck, it'll have to crank for a few
seconds before fuel delivery resumes and the cylinders fire;
this will give the engine a chance to get some oil circulating.
IOW, having this engine go bang right away is not necessarily
such a great thing anyway; it's more important to be sure it
has good oil distribution before the fuel arrives.

- -- Andy

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:53:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: car parts

hello olds world. i deal in 68-72 cutlass,442,f-85,vista cruzer
parts.buy,sell,trade, if interested drop me a line,thanks.  steven at
w30442cs@aol.com                                      my stable includes;
  rallye 350,





































                                                                           70
w-31 4spd

































                                                                           71
w30 con




































                                                                           71
442 h-coupe

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:14:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: acg@dlogics.com
Subject: Chicago Area Meeting Signup Information

Okay, here is the signup information required for anyone
who'd like to join us on August 3rd at the Illinois Railway
Museum in Union, IL and display their car. It's all FREE,
but you MUST return this form (below) as soon as possible
to the mailing address or fax number shown. Normally I would
not broadcast this to the whole list right away, and I apologize
to those members in, say, Finland, for whom this is a waste of
bandwidth, but time is of the essence and I don't know who else
is interested (e.g. last year I heard from some Iowa folks who
promised to show up this year, so here's your chance:

PRINT THIS MESSAGE, sign and return. In case of problems,
contact me and I can fax you an original or otherwise get
problems sorted out.

[quote...]
ATTENTION: All entries must arrive before 11:00 a.m. and remain
until 4:00 p.m. By submitting this application, applicant agrees
to release Illinois Railway Museum and protect, indemnify, and
defend it from any and all claims for any losses, damages, or
injuries whatsover arising in whole or in part from operation,
transportation, or display of applicants' vehicle. Said applicant
and guest(s) also agree not to consume alcoholic beverages at the
show.

NAME:_________________________  ADDRESS:_________________________

CITY, STATE, ZIP:_______________________________  PHONE:_________

VEHICLE MAKE - MODEL - YEAR:_____________________________________

CLUB AFFILIATION, IF ANY:___Oldsmobile Owners' Email List________

CLUB NUMBER: 209   <==== Remember this number!!!

SEND TO: Vintage Transport Extravaganza
 c/o Peter J. Charnon
 426 S. Monterey
 Villa Park, IL  60181

OR FAX: (630) 834-6183 (days)

For more information, call (630) 834-6133 evenings and weekends

Admission: None! We pay you with free train tickets to preregistered
vehicles prior to July 26, 1997. Good for Extravaganza day only!
Half-rate admission ($4.00 per person) will apply for Registered
Vehicles after July 26, 1997 and at the gate. REGISTER EARLY!
(Note from Andy: In a phone conversation with Mr. Charnon last
Thursday, he agreed to waive the half-rate admission for us, but
nevertheless do not waste time getting this application to him.)
Food and beverages and a Steak/Chicken cookout will be available.

DISPLAY ONLY. Dash plaques awarded.

Public hours for the event are 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m.
[end quote from application form]

Andy here again. That's all the info; sorry it was so long. But
the event is free, there'll be lots of other Oldsmobiles not to
mention every other brand of antique car, steam trains, trolleys,
Diesels, picnics, families, kids, you name it. See you there!

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 16:54:02 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Mirror for 69 442 convertible

Due to a hard drive crash, I no longer have the e mail address of the
person (Florida)I was communicating with about a rear view mirror with
map light.  Yesterday you sent me the price and your address.  Please
resend the message again to the same e mail address (wschwart@IAW.on.ca)
Thankfully I can use my son's PC while I repair mine.  What would I do
without one!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:41:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Are you going to lansing for 100 years with the caravan/ Ineed 
info
on carav

Thanks, good luck in softball!

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 17:51:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Car show in Illinois Tomorrow, July 27

Hello! Tomorrow there will be a car show at Hooters in Downers Grove,
Illinois! 20.00 fee at the gate. Classes go like this:
stock 40s                                         1,2,3 trophies for each
class! dash plaques
stock 50s                                         for first 150 entries.
10:00am-4:00pm.
stock 60s                                         Registration: 10:00-12:30!
Hope to seeya there
stock 70s
modified 50s
modified 60s and 70s
street machines 50s,60s &70s
sportscars
prostreet
customs
special intrest

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:58:22 -0700
From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Subject: Windows 98 Mail Program

A magazine review of a beta Windows 98 said that the Mail program will be
capable of sorting incoming mail into various folders based on the
receiver's criteria.

Feature will be a blessing to those of us who have missed a piece of mail
buried by the sheer volume of a mail server's mail.

Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC

1976 Cutlass SOne Owner
1976 Cutlass S 2nd Owner
1983 Delta 88 One owner

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:56:40 -0700
From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Subject: Pictures   rcolombo@sonic.net

Anybody want to send me some 442 pictures. I would appreciate it.

                 Thanks in advance
Rob's 71 442

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 14:57:55 -0700
From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Subject: Picture request all 442's

Address correction     rcolombo@sonic.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 15:00:50 -0700
From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Subject: Sorry a bit confused

rcolombo@sonic.net its been a long week

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:35:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mirror for 69 442 convertible

 if for some reason you cant relocate (florida) party i have rear view
mirror.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:49:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: 68-72 car parts

i deal in 68-72 cutlass,442,f-85,vista cruzer, car parts,buy,sell,trade,  if
interested drop me a line. thanks steven.    i have been into olds since
1981.  my cars include:  70 rallye- 350,70 w-31 4spd.,71w-30 conv.,71 442
h-coupe,  lets talk .

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 19:58:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Does anyone know if Oldsmobile made a convertible W-31 in 1970?

mike,i also have w-31(70) , whats yours like? mine is red with white
interior, 4spd.,  390-posi, please reply steven.

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:26:24 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Full-sizer Heater/Vent Question

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> The car doesn't have a/c so the heater/vent system is controlled by a
> series of cables. It has a center dash vent for fresh air, and you have
> to pull out the center vent control to move air though it. That part
> works fine, and a trickle of air comes out when you do.

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen one of these cars without A/C!  My '78
98 Regency had Tempmatic.  As frugal as my Grandparents were, they
ordered their '77 Delta with A/C, too.  I guess there were quite a few
of these built without A/C, but I don't ever remember seeing one.  I
read the '78 owners manual and it says about the vent knob to the right
of the steering column.  Weird!  But the picture in the manual shows a
vent setting on the heater control too.  Don't understand this system at
all.  Seems like Olds made it more difficult than it had to be.

> However, I seem
> to remember that these vents were fan-forced. On this one, when you turn
> the fan to medium or high, the air stops! Is that normal? I'd love to
> know where it goes... and how to get the fan to push more air through there.

If you have to use the knob to open the vent on the dash, then it
probably isn't fan fed.  Turning on the blower probably sucks all the
air into the blower and takes it away from the vent.  Don't know where
it would put it though.  If you aren't getting a very good volume of air
out of the vent, it sounds like the air door isn't opening far enough.

Paul Hartlieb

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:27:18 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Road construction

Received the following from Peg O'Connor in Fla re road construction...

Anyway,
I-75 is the major interstate in Florida that most Florida people will be
taking.  There's construction on that to make it 6 lanes.  The Florida
part is done, as far as I know, but it's congested further up in Georgia,
I think.  Also, the speed limit switches back and forth, all the way from
55 in construction zones to 70, and cops *love* to give out tickets for
speeding in construction zones.

That's my small contribution :) to the travel advisory . . .

8)
peg

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:36:57 -0700
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Screwed ?

The 69 442 I bought A couple of months ago looks great, unfortunatly the
previous owner took it a part and never put it back together right. How
do I go about finding the right screw sizes for some of the interior
parts (center console)?  I do have an assembly manuel, but it only lists
part ª's.  Do these ª's relate to a screw size?  Also, the lights in the
console don't seem to work.  I'm only getting power to 1 out of 4 lights.
  Any ideas?  I did try new bulbs.

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 21:23:26 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Windows 98 Mail Program

Marvin Friesen wrote:
>
> A magazine review of a beta Windows 98 said that the Mail program will be
> capable of sorting incoming mail into various folders based on the
> receiver's criteria.
>
> Feature will be a blessing to those of us who have missed a piece of mail
> buried by the sheer volume of a mail server's mail.

Marvin,

This is already available in Netscape, but it's not very well
documented.  Email me if you want to know the details.

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:38:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Picture request all 442's

Please remember... do NOT post any pictures to the list. I will get
rather upset if that happens... but seriously, the mail software we use
cannot handle them and it is a real pain for digest subscribers.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 20:58:44 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Windows 98 Mail Program

 It's also available now with Outlook Express, the maila and news program
with Internet Explorer 4.0. You can download it free from the Microsoft web
site or order a CD Rom for $4.95 from the same place.
It's still only in it's second beta, or "Platform Preview", as MS calls it.
It works reaaly well though.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/newcomer.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, July 26, 1997 8:26 PM
Subject: Re: Windows 98 Mail Program



>Marvin Friesen wrote:
>>
>> A magazine review of a beta Windows 98 said that the Mail program will be
>> capable of sorting incoming mail into various folders based on the
>> receiver's criteria.
>>
>> Feature will be a blessing to those of us who have missed a piece of mail
>> buried by the sheer volume of a mail server's mail.
>
>Marvin,
>
>This is already available in Netscape, but it's not very well
>documented.  Email me if you want to know the details.
>
>Patrick
>--
>Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 26 Jul 1997 22:57:40 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 68-72 car parts

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
>
> i deal in 68-72 cutlass,442,f-85,vista cruzer, car parts,buy,sell,trade,  if
> interested drop me a line. thanks steven.    i have been into olds since
> 1981.  my cars include:  70 rallye- 350,70 w-31 4spd.,71w-30 conv.,71 442
> h-coupe,  lets talk .
Where are you located?

Don Sowers

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