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oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 9 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 712

Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Re: EPCO Wheel
Re: The Endless Used Car Search
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Re: Frame Repairs
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
Re: Plate Readers
Re: Frame Repairs
Re: carb choke
Re: widened steel wheels
Posi Wanted
Toro closer to a car
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Internet Message
'70 442 GRILLE
UNBOUNCE: re.: EPCO Wheel
Re: Frame Repairs
Used Cars, Virginia, List Stuff, etc.
Re: Used Cars, Virginia, List Stuff, etc.
Re: The Endless Used Car Search...
87 442 for sale
Re: Stupid me
Car Show Weekend
Re: Used Cars, Virginia, List Stuff, etc.
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
Re: Posi Wanted
RE: used car quest
Re: Freon-12 Replacements
Johnny Lightnings
Olds Homecoming this Saturday
Wet fun in Indiana
Hello
Disc brakes
Re: Wet fun in Indiana
Re: Olds for Sale
Re: Disc brakes
Re: Various Notes
Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
Re: WTB: DYNAMIC 88 CONV. IN CA, AZ, OR NV
Re: Disc brakes
Esko's Niney and Merry Salvaging.
Re: Various Notes
Re: Olds Homecoming this Saturday
Re: Various Notes
RE: used car quest

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From: "CDHall" <cdhall@carol.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:06:26 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

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> From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
> Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 11:38 AM
>
> At 11:52 PM 6/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >> 2. My engine runs great off of a gas can of fresh gas, but crappy off
of
> >the
> >> tank. I have drained all the gas twice from the fuel tank, and added
> >fresh
> >> fuel. Once I get the car started it runs fairly well, but doesn't
wanna
> >> idle. I have a clear fuel filter in-line, and when I am on the tank I
can
> >> see the fuel kinda squirting in the filter , but the filter should
fill
> >up
> >> about 1/2 way right? It does off the gas can, but not the tank. So it
> >kinda
> >> starves for fuel when I punch it.
> >
> >When you use the gas can, are you pumping thru the fuel pump? If you
are,
> >then I would check all the fuel lines from the pump back to the tank for
a
> >pin hole or rotten  rubber hose, especially above the tank or rear axle.
> >Sounds like it is sucking air into the line.
> >
> >  Daniel Hall
> >  cdhall@carol.net
> >  68 Toro
> >  70 Toro
> >  70 SX W32
> >
> >You were correct sir, and I thank you. There was a rotten rubber hose
under
> the tank, well sort of next to it. I still dropped the tank, drained what
I
> could not get out, and washed it with muratic acid. The sock filter and
the
> tank looked real good...but some of the fuel was really dark, like dark
> beer. So new rubber and fuel pump and I ought to be in buiness.
>
> Now who can tell me why my power steering pump doesn't pump, when it did
> before I took it off,,,HUH?    Somebody anwser MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
> PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>
>
Robert
> Knowles
>                                                                       66
Cutlass
>
Ft.Wor
> th, Texas
> >

One thing I forgot to mention about cleaning the tank. If you know someone
at a radiator repair shop, they might vat it for you. Works real good.

 Daniel Hall
  cdhall@carol.net

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From: "Jason Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 21:21:43 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

Greg and all:

I don't know about rust-free southern cars from Virginia...

I live in Northern VA, where we get as much ice as anything.  The problem
here is that you guys up in Canada KNOW how to drive in ice and snow.
These jokers down here (don't worry, I'm not talking to anybody on this
list...I haven't seen any crazy Olds drivers yet...I guess we kinda cherish
our possessions more than others) are all over the road when the going gets
slick.  So to try to fix the problem, VDOT (VA Dep. Of Transportation)
spreads EXTRA salt and grime on the roads.  My street is like a sandbox in
the spring!

Anyway...my car was purchased originally at Templeton Olds, about 10 miles
from my house, so she's lived in N. VA all her life, and no rust in the
rear of the frame.  There is a little on the bottom inside of the driver's
door, though.  I'm going over to the dealer one of these days to see what
it costs for a complete rust-proofing job.  The original window sticker for
the car says "Lifetime Rustproofing"...yeah, right.  There are plugs in the
door and door sill where they DID shoot it, but I guess it didn't last;
sigh...

Anyway, Greg, be sure to check the frames here real good.  We do get nasty
stuff sometimes, and around here, it only takes a flake before the crews
are at it again.

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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> I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't start looking into what it takes to

> bring a car up here from the USA, from a place like Virginia, where I'll
> be next week. A rust-free southern car would sure be a nice change from
> these hulks. The quest continues...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:08:27 -0300
Subject: Re: EPCO Wheel

At 09:10 AM 6/8/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a wheel cover, hubcap, wheel (whatever they call them) for
an '88 Olds
>Toronado.  They were put out by EPCO, but they may be out of business.  Any
help
>would be appreciated.  Where do I order them, if EPCO's out of business?
>
>
>
Linda,

        If these are the wire wheel type I have a few of them.

Jim Chermack

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From: "CDHall" <cdhall@carol.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:21:57 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search

> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)
> Date: Sunday, June 08, 1997 5:14 PM
>
>
> The impossible quest for a good used car continues. > I'm starting to
wonder if I shouldn't start looking into what it takes to
> bring a car up here from the USA, from a place like Virginia, where I'll
> be next week. A rust-free southern car would sure be a nice change from
> these hulks. The quest continues...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

Before you take your trip, look up http://www.traderonline.com/auto/  to
locate and check on whats available in that area.
   Good Luck
  Daniel Hall
  cdhall@carol.net



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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:16:06 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

Jason,

        You ought to come down to my part of Virginia. About 20 minutes from
N. Carolina. The cars aren't anywhere as bad as the ones up where you are. I
was just up in Fredricksburg looking at junkyards and yes they have some
rust. Greg is coming down on business and we have some plans on looking for
some cars and parts. Have you looked in any of the junkyards west of you?
I'm curious to know if there is anything worth looking at out there.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:11:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Frame Repairs

On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Since I have owned 2 GM cars from the 60's with no frame problems, I
> wonder why these late models seem to suffer from the affliction so much.
> Lighter guage/poorer quality steel would be my guess.

What are these repairs that need doing, this ailment is a new one on me.
Where would one check his/her car for this?

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970504
..............................................................

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:21:32 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't start looking into what it takes to
> bring a car up here from the USA, from a place like Virginia, where I'll
> be next week. A rust-free southern car would sure be a nice change from
> these hulks. The quest continues...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada


Greg

I thought of you a couple of months ago regarding this matter.  Our
Oldsmobile store traded a real nice '84 Ninety Eight Regency Brougham
sedan.  If I remember right the mileage was a little high, but it was
beautiful, solid, one owner, garaged car.  Very well maintained by an
elderly couple.  Was thinking of contacting you, but didn't know what
you'd have to go through with Customs and all.  We sent to auction
becuase of the miles, but it sat on our lot for about a week before it
went.  Wish now I had contacted you.

Weren't you going to look at a Regency coupe?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 23:35:35 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

Robert,
I have never ran into a p/s pump problem like yours but one of my
customers that does lots of engine instalations says he has twice. He said
when you disturb the positon of the pump ( probably by turning it upside
down) you get some sludge that has collected in the bottom of it into the
hole that lets fluid into the pump. He said he flushes them out or removes
the can and washes them out if flushing doesn't work.
Like I said this isnt from personal experiance but this guy is pretty good
and has worked on GM products for years so maybe he is right. Good Luck.
Walter
66 Delta 88 ragtop
Bowie Texas

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 19:37:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Plate Readers

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Okay, then can you help me with mine?
>
> ST  73

1973

> 3AJ57

(3) Oldsmobile (AJ57) Cutlass Supreme Colonnade Hardtop Coupe

> LAN410960  BDY

Lansing built, body sequence number

> TR    957

7 is the code for white interior, 95 for vinyl bench seat

> 19   A  PNT

19 is the code for Ebony Black paint, A for a white vinyl roof

> 2B    A65

build code 2nd week (B) of Feb (2), A65 is the seat option code, Custom
Sport Bench Front Seat

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:11:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Frame Repairs

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> With all of the GM cars I saw this weekend needing or having had some
> sort of rear frame repair, can anyone here tell me whether this is
> something that can be done so that you don't need to be concerned about
> it later on? I would be wary of buying a car either having had or needing
> this repair done to it, but what do I know? Is it a big deal or shouldn't I
> worry about it, assuming it was done correctly?
>

  Funny you bring this up.. Last year I bought a 1967 442 convertible..
The car is in fairly
good condition and worth the 4000 I paid, or so I thought..  It turned
out that the frame was rotted
thru in sevral spots.. This rot was hidden with bondo.  It all fell out
after I had the car for a month.
I loved the car so much rather than try and get my cash back, I opted to
fix it.  So it's been parked since Oct, 96.  I finally got the body on
the new frame last weekend.  Finished up with the brakes and such this
afternoon.  I went on a short drive this evening (still have to put on
the bumpers but couldn't wait).
The drive consisted of twice around the block, a monster burnout thru
all 4 gears (those lakewood no-hop
bars work well), and a blown front wheel cylinder :( Anyways, the little
drive was more fun than I remember
and almost makes all the scraped knuckles, endless hours in the garage,
and money spent worth it.
Soon I'll be able to devote all my time to my 68 442 (at least it has a
good frame!)  In short a bad frame is either big dollars to have someone
fix it right(swap), or not so big dollars but big labor to do it
yourself.

Ken
1967 442... damn near road worthy again!

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From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:25:39 -0300
Subject: Re: carb choke

JFowler wrote:

"O.K.  I just bought a 69 442 conv.  The previos owner replaced the carb

with a w-30 unit (ª7029254), unfortunatly he jerry rigged the choke

thermostat.  I would like to replace it the right way, but nobody seems

to carry it.  Is there anybody that still has it, or could I use a

different model considering the manifold is still the same? "


We sell that thermostat and housing.  Cost is $69 but they wrok great and are
in stock.  Hope this helps.  Steve Kenny  Brothers Automotive Products
800-442-PART (7278)

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:25:19 -0300
Subject: Re: widened steel wheels

At 01:45 AM 6/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I've been thinking about the possibility of widening my steel hubcap wheels
>instead of American TorqThrust D's for the sleeper effect.  It'll definetly
>fool the 5.0's and LT1's.  Does anyone know who can widen them for me?
>They are 15x7 now and I would like them to be 15x10's.  And how much would
>it cost to do a pair of wheels?

The name that usually comes up in the magazines (latest is Hot Rod's special
wheel&tire section) for widening steel wheels is:

Stockton Wheel
Dept. HR07
648 W. Fremont St.
Stockton, CA 95203
(800) 395-WHEEL
(209) 464-7771

Another name I've seen is:

Wheel Vintiques
Dept. HR07 <-(looks like these addresses are to test the results of
participating in a feature in Hot Rod magazine...)
5468 E. Lamona
Fresno, CA 93727
(209) 251-6957

And in an article on repairing a wheel (if they can repair an alloy wheel,
they certainly should be able to widen a steel wheel), the following
companies appear:

Precision Wheel Service
59 Schoolground Rd.
Branford, CT 06405
(800) FIX-BEND

Rim & Wheel Works
285 Newtonville Ave.
Newton, MA 02160
(800) 261-0495
(617) 964-0226

Vaughn Machine Works
210 E. Pomona Ave.
Monrovia, CA 91016
(818) 358-6413

Wheel Shoppe
11357 East 8 Mile Rd.
Warren, MI 48089
(810) 756-7256

Ye Old Wheel Shoppe
6363 Washington Blvd.
Elkridge, MD 21227
(800) 526-8260

Now, these are just the places in this special section. I'm sure that any
wheel shop that caters to a circle-track crowd should be able to widen a
steel wheel, and you'll probably get very different price-quotes from these
places, into which you'll have to figure in the price of shipping etc.

An article I read a bit back actually explained how a certain company went
about widening wheels; pretty interesting process. While some places
actually cut your existing rim and add a section by welding it in, the
procedure described in this magazine seemed to be closer to a factory
procedure. The center section's welds to the outer rim were cut on a lathe,
the center was rechromed, and then it was welded to a fresh wider outer rim
(the original outer rim was just discarded). You might want to ask how each
place you call what process they use to widen your rims.

I want to widen the steel wheels on my '69 Toro to 8" from the stock 6", but
I'd also like to get the wheel chromed, and some places will weld your
original centers to a larger-than-stock (16" or 17") outer rim, so that you
can use a modern low-profile tire while retaining a stock appearance.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Tom Millard <oldspwr@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:32:14 -0300
Subject: Posi Wanted

A friend of mine has a 40 or so Willy's pickup street rod with 60 Olds rear
in it.  The truck was originally done by his father when he was a kid and at
that time these rears were pretty common in street rods.  He just put a
pretty radical motor in it and is now looking for a posi.  Does anybody have
a posi for sale or know of anybody who sells new posi's/parts for this rear???

Any help would be appreciated....
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 00:38:14 -0300
Subject: Toro closer to a car

After some difficulty, the Toro motor has found itself snuggled into the home
it deserves. Seemed a lot more effort than an A-body install. Hours more
getting a starter & offset-hole RACovers from the farm, then cleaning out the
starter so it'd work OK. Amazed to find that I could bolt the starter in
place, THEN attach the wires! Was tempted to use fancy finned "M/T" rocker arm
covers... but seems they would not quite clear the brackets. Looks like most
of the A/C stuff is still there, just might have cold air, too. Eventually.
Found that a few things don't work yet. The PWindows, for instance. The horn.
Rear defogger does work as do the courtesy lites. Found that it appears to
have all new shocks recently, new LH half-shaft, new ball joints. Tires are OK
for now, those chrome wheels are looking real good.

Just need to consult the Guide on a few details such as coil mounting, coolant
temp sensors, etc. This is my 1st attempt at ASSEMBLING a Toro, usually they
just come apart.

Oh, yeah, it has comfortron A/C but no guages?! What were they thinking? Some
rust thru the floorpan where it kicks up at the front, but very sound body.
Most of the vinyl top remnants came right off, it'll get a new one.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 15:22:14 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

>Jason,
>
>        You ought to come down to my part of Virginia. About 20 minutes from
>N. Carolina. The cars aren't anywhere as bad as the ones up where you are. I
>was just up in Fredricksburg looking at junkyards and yes they have some
>rust. Greg is coming down on business and we have some plans on looking for
>some cars and parts.  Have you looked in any of the junkyards west of you?
>I'm curious to know if there is anything worth looking at out there.

I live in Roanoke VA (well, west Roanoke CO.) and there's very little in the
junkyards here.  Really it depends on what you're looking for.  Roanoke has
a couple of high-volume places that have alleady crushed anything pre-85 so
there's really nothing in the city.  You can go farther west to montgomery
county and find a couple of relatively big pick-a-part yards with a fair
amount of 80s but they have very few pre-75 junkers.  There are some
smallers yards that have quite a few 80s cars and a decent amount of 70s
cars but still very little pre-75 cars.  I've never ventured farther east
than Roanoke though.  I might have a look at a Lynchburg or danville phone
book, there might be a yard there worth the 90 minuite drive.

As for body rot, it's probably not as bad as in candada, but we still have
it here.  There are still a lot of straight G-bodies left though, and
friends who visit from up north often comment on how long a car lasts down
here.    Jason A. is right about VDOT though.  They think all the world's
problems can be solved with the liberal spreading of gravel and salt.  It's
really taken it's toll on the paint of the Vista-Cruiser, chips and nicks
everywhere.  The price I pay for commuting 350 miles weekly to classes I
guess.

Hey Greg B, what part of VA are you gonna be in anyway?

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 02:09:39 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> The impossible quest for a good used car continues. This was another
> frustrating weekend. It is kind of hard for me to believe that there can
> be such *deceit* in people... ;-)
>
> The two best cars were the 87 Cutlass offered at $7850, owner would > take
$7K,

$7K???  Your kidding??  Was it gold plated or something?????  I just got
my wife a 95 Cutlass Supreme LOADED for under $10k.  Thats a 3k to 4k
car MAX.

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From: STVF11D@prodigy.com (MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:44:19 -0300
Subject: Internet Message

Robert,
               I would have to agree with Walter's answer. It
certainly sounds like a priming
problem which could be caused by sludge or an air bubble that won't
bleed out of the
system.

Mark Graff
 70 442 W-25
Minneapolis,MN

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From: STVF11D@prodigy.com (MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 04:54:43 -0300
Subject: '70 442 GRILLE

In regards to the grille it should be pretty straight forward. There
are four bolts in the center
and two on the top of either side of the grille. And screws off to
either side that hold the grilles
on the side. Sorry I couldnt be more specific but my 70 Bible (
chassy manule that was throw
in when I bought the car) is not handy at the moment.

Mark Graff
70 442 W-25
Minneapolis,MN

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:40:57 -0300
Subject: UNBOUNCE: re.: EPCO Wheel

This bounced, not sure why.... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 1997 22:13:35 -0300
From:James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: EPCO Wheel

At 09:10 AM 6/8/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a wheel cover, hubcap, wheel (whatever they call them) for
an '88 Olds
>Toronado.  They were put out by EPCO, but they may be out of business.  Any
help
>would be appreciated.  Where do I order them, if EPCO's out of business?
>
>
>
Linda,

        If these are the wire wheel type I have a few of them.

Jim Chermack

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 06:53:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Frame Repairs

On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Eric Aksomitis wrote:
> On Sun, 8 Jun 1997, Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> > Since I have owned 2 GM cars from the 60's with no frame problems, I
> > wonder why these late models seem to suffer from the affliction so much.
> > Lighter guage/poorer quality steel would be my guess.
>
> What are these repairs that need doing, this ailment is a new one on me.
> Where would one check his/her car for this?

On the ones I looked at it's pretty simple. Look at the frame from the
rear wheels back and you'll usually find 2 sets of holes where the body
mounts are. The rust I've seen seems to take hold around these holes and
makes them grow until the mounts come undone. It's pretty easy to spot.
On the '85 Monte I looked at I (the one the guy described as "it's
something to work with at least...") was actually able to break away a
section of frame around the hole just with my fingers.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:05:53 -0300
Subject: Used Cars, Virginia, List Stuff, etc.

On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> > The two best cars were the 87 Cutlass offered at $7850, owner would > take
$7K, > $7K???  Your kidding??  Was it gold plated or something?????  I just
got > my wife a 95 Cutlass Supreme LOADED for under $10k.  Thats a 3k to 4k >
car MAX.

Well, maybe in your part of the world. But like I described, around here
for that kind of money you're looking at things that are not much more
than projects or parts cars. And keep in mind that I'm talking Canadian
dollars, so that $7K Cdn translates to about $5K US.

For those who asked, I'll be in the Williamsburg - Norfolk - Virginia Beach
area from Friday night through the following Thursday morning. I'm
getting together with Jim Chermack on Saturday and if anyone else is in
the area maybe we can coordinate something. You guys will have to help me
out with geography; I really am not sure how that relates to other parts
of the state or how far away I might be from others on the list. I would
like to meet some of you guys from down there, though!

PS: Mike Frederick has agreed to do admin chores for the list during the
time I'm away. Thank you Mike! I hear he's a lot tougher than I am, so no
foolin' around while I'm gone, gang... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:04:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Used Cars, Virginia, List Stuff, etc.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> PS: Mike Frederick has agreed to do admin chores for the list during
> the time I'm away. Thank you Mike! I hear he's a lot tougher than I am,
> so no foolin' around while I'm gone, gang... ;-)

AM NOT!  ...and that's your first warning.   ;)


    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

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Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:47:11 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search...

Well I got more news on another car I am thinking about getting
since it is such a good deal.  It is a 1978 Olds Cutlass two door
with 65,000 original miles (claimed) for $1,200.  I will need to
check it out further once I make an appointment to see it.  I
think that if everything is kosher with the car, then it is probably
a good deal.  I am hoping that it has a 350 in it.  I know it is
a V8 and not a V6.

Later...

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB (Maybe replaced if I get the 78)

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 09:46:53 -0300
Subject: 87 442 for sale

I found an 87 and a 85 442 for sale in my local Philly paper for those who
might be interested--
87 442- new parts, inspected, tires. Runs extremely well. int nice, needs
paint 80k miles. $3600 obo. 215- 657-4434.
85 442- runs good. good shape. has 85k miles. It was $3800 if I remember
correctly. I threw the paper out by accident.
I can get another if anyone wants it.



=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 07:56:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Stupid me

Hi all,

Well I was stupid again when going to the junk yard looking for parts
for the 1982 and 1968 I have.  I found 15 SSII rim bezels which I
thought
would complete the 5 bezels I had for my 68's SSII rims.  Wrong.  These
things were the wrong shape.  I pulled them off an Olds!  I guess the
previous owner used SSII rims off another car.  Duh!  I did see the
correct bezels, however, I decided not to get them since they didn't
match the other I bought.  What a waste of money.  Oh well "YLYL" (Ya
live
Ya learn).

Later...

Chris Sparks

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 10:09:37 -0300
Subject: Car Show Weekend

Hi All,

Sunday was a cloudy, humid, yet cool day here in the heartland of America.
 Audrey and I decided to take the W-41 to what was billed as the Largest Free
Car Show, I believe they said in KS.  Anyway,  we arrived at around 8:30am.
 Big empty field....  We were told where to park.   BIG empty field. I didn't
think they could fill it up.  Boy was I wrong!  At 12:30pm they organizers
announced that they had over 2000 registered cars and more were still coming
in.  I didn't hear the final total.  I left at 3:15pm and cars were still
coming in.

There were a grand total of approx. 10 Olds there, including ours.  There may
have been more but we walked most of the show and that's all we could find.
 The sightings go like this.  '79 H/O, cool car, owned by a guy out of
Hutchinson. I got his name and e-mail address couldn't believe he wasn't on
the list.  A 68 Cutlass S convertible which was painted up like a H/O, I'm no
H/O expert but it didn't even fool me.  A ''75 or '76 H/O parked right behind
us.  What a car!!!!  Black with gold stripes 455, auto, etc.... 9055 miles
yeah that's right 9055.  Still on the original tires even!  An '87 or '88 442
parked right next to it very nice and For Sale.  Didn't ask how much, can't
afford it.  A couple of spots down from that a '68 442? for sale for $3000
with a spare engine. That car need some work and I can't say it was really a
442 they conviently placed the for sale sheet right over the VIN  Hmmmmmm???
 Then an '81-88 with one of the H/O aero package kits on it. There were also
a couple of  '60s 88s.  One convertible and one coupe.  The coupe was red
with a wild flame paint scheme.  Looked cool.  Not what I would have wanted
but it was neat.  And finally the car that was most impressive.... a 1947
Oldsmobile.  It had been restored and was beautilful!  The people had
pictures of the before/during/after process.  They even had the check that
had been written to purchase the car in 1947 for something like $2248.83!!

We had several people stop during the day and talk about our car.  Most had
no idea what it was.  Several did and said that it was the only time the had
actually seen one.  They had heard of them but had yet to see one.  Several
people asked if I would ever sell the car (Damn! this is a car show not a car
lot people!), Audrey answers that question for me "Over my dead body!".  Any
of you people who go to cars shows regularly getting tired of the For Sale
signs too????

Anyway I guess that's it.
Gotta Go
Cecil Smalley
1991 W-41
notdads442@aol.com

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:15:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Used Cars, Virginia, List Stuff, etc.

At 06:05 AM 6/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 9 Jun 1997 dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>> > The two best cars were the 87 Cutlass offered at $7850, owner would >
take $7K,
>> $7K???  Your kidding??  Was it gold plated or something?????  I just got
>> my wife a 95 Cutlass Supreme LOADED for under $10k.  Thats a 3k to 4k
>> car MAX.
>
>Well, maybe in your part of the world. But like I described, around here
>for that kind of money you're looking at things that are not much more
>than projects or parts cars. And keep in mind that I'm talking Canadian
>dollars, so that $7K Cdn translates to about $5K US.

You know what, Greg, there are bunches, tons, *piles* of '78-'87 Cutlassi
around these parts, and many of the frames even look pretty solid. They
usually go for $500-$1500US, and you're halfway there transportation-wise.
Maybe the Northeast is the place to look? I'm not saying that our cars are
immune to rust (obviously...), but the sheer numbers of those cars sold here
increase the likelihood of some surviving in good condition.

>PS: Mike Frederick has agreed to do admin chores for the list during the
>time I'm away. Thank you Mike! I hear he's a lot tougher than I am, so no
>foolin' around while I'm gone, gang... ;-)

Whoops! Well, I suppose that Andy Green can always _re-subscribe_ when Greg
gets back...  ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 11:30:32 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> The impossible quest for a good used car continues.
<whack>
> I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't start looking into what it takes to
> bring a car up here from the USA, from a place like Virginia, where I'll
> be next week. A rust-free southern car would sure be a nice change from
> these hulks. The quest continues...

I'm located in the Atlanta area.  Very little frozen stuff, and the GDOT
usually just puts down sand.  Just a quick check of last week's Georgia
Auto Trader shows literally dozens of pre-85 olds for less than $5,000.
Some appear to be real deals for projects, such as an 84 Delta 88 that
looks pretty straight in the picture, "needs motor, $500".  How about a
83 98 Regency Brougham "just over 100K miles, perfect, $995".

I don't have a bunch of free time, but if some of you northern Olds'ers
want me to try and "bird-dog" a specific vehicle for you, I'll be glad
to try.  Greg, let me know when you get some details on US/Canadian
import rules.

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:19:15 -0300
Subject: Re: The Endless Used Car Search... (long)

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>
> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> >
> > The two best cars were the 87 Cutlass offered at $7850, owner would > take
$7K, > > $7K???  Your kidding??  Was it gold plated or something?????  I just
got > my wife a 95 Cutlass Supreme LOADED for under $10k.  Thats a 3k to 4k >
car MAX. I'am sure Greg is meaning Canadian currence. Wich would raise the
price (amount wise). I've noticed around here in '88 when both FWD and RWD
were available. That the RWD go for more money than FWD cars.

Daren

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 12:47:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Posi Wanted

Tom Millard wrote:
>
> A friend of mine has a 40 or so Willy's pickup street rod with 60 Olds rear
> in it.  The truck was originally done by his father when he was a kid and at
> that time these rears were pretty common in street rods.  He just put a
> pretty radical motor in it and is now looking for a posi.  Does anybody have
> a posi for sale or know of anybody who sells new posi's/parts for this
rear??? > > Any help would be appreciated.... > Tom Millard
OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net > 79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show > 86 442 - Summer
Driver > 79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb

Strange Engineering
1611 Churchst.
Evanston Il.
847-869-7010

Mark Williams
765 S. Pierce Ave.
Louisville Co. 80027
800-525-1963

Motive Gear Performance
800-934-2727 ext. 529

Race Line Performance Products
3306 Hunter
Royal Oak Mi.  48073
800-549-4801
810-549-4801

Pyle Bros.
2402 W. Cbyo-Lynchburg
Baytown  Tx.  77521
281-421-5878

Moser Engineering
1616 N. Franklin st.
Portland In.  47371
219-726-6689

Lenco
6470 Federa
Lemon Grove Ca.  91945
800-854-2944

Cal Gears
1321 S. Lewis st.
Anaheim Ca. 92805
714-776-2501

These company's are listed in the back of National Dragster. You might
also try Summit 330-630-3030 www.summitracing.com or Jegs 800-345-4545
www.jegs.com both have free catalogs.

Daren

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:32:10 -0300
Subject: RE: used car quest

Greg- Wow. I can't believe that you can't find one decent car up there.
Man, bring your 6k-7k of cash down to the US and you will most definitely
find a gem in that price range. Have you expanded the search to a GM FWD
A body or the 88/98's? Those are built like tanks and the v-6/fwd combo
goes for years. 150k to 200k miles are not uncommon. I got my 90 Cutlass Ciera
XC sedan w/ 60k on it in truly mint condition for $4800. Brand new GY Regattas
too. She had the original GM floor mats in the trunk and seat covers on it
since new to show no wear at all inside too.


=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

------------------------------

From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:16:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Freon-12 Replacements

I think these same questions were asked awhile back.
Try going to

         www.aircondition.com

This site will answer most questions about conversions.

Paul Pate
1970 Cutlass S

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From: Rick Kromeich <rickk@ecg.csg.mot.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 14:42:38 -0300
Subject: Johnny Lightnings

Has anyone seen the next supposed set of Indy Pace Cars from Johnny Lightning?
I think that would be series 4.  I started collecting them, but I haven't
seen anything new at the stores for months now, and my 1970 pace car
convertibles were looking for company on my shelf.

Rick
72 Cutlass Supreme Convert.

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:56:33 -0300
Subject: Olds Homecoming this Saturday

Anyone with information about the Olds Homecoming this Saturday? Time,
location, etc? Thought I would ask before calling.

I plan to be there in the '77 Delta (just turned 195).


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Get the zip file for local viewing from:
          ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:57:00 -0300
Subject: Wet fun in Indiana

This past Saturday my son Michael and I had the pleasure of enjoying the
company of Chris Smetana while we attended the Olds show in
Indianapolis.  We took my rusty-trusty 4-4-2 and braved the wet weather
on our way to and from Indy.  The rain gods must be Oldsmobile fans
because it stayed dry the entire show.  We saw Oldsmobiles from 1950 up
to some late 80s H/Os.  There were about 40 cars in attendance along
with two stationary Olds gasoline engines from the early 1900s.  We had
a nice time at a nice show hosted by the Indiana Olds club.

After returning to Chris' home, he showed us his 69 W-31.  A diamond in
the rough with lots of potential.  A numbers matching original and very
complete.  We need to talk him into getting it done before Springfield
in '98.

Later that evening Michael and I drove/floated the 4-4-2 to Brazil IN
for a cruise-in.  Not many cars due to the weather, but I did meet the
owner of a 19,000 mile '72 W-30.  He left it home and dry, but stopped
in to check out my Olds.

All in all it was a good Saturday in spite of the rain.  I ran a tank
and a half of gas through the Olds in one day and enjoyed the company of
my youngest son and a fellow list member Chris Smetana.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

P.S.
If Chris tries to tell anyone that I don't know the difference of right
and left, don't believe him.  He failed to tell me which left he wanted
me to turn.

------------------------------

From: "Frank" <frank@trident.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 15:23:49 -0300
Subject: Hello

Is olds list still active?
Havent received any response from list or webmaster.
Frank Gonzalez
frank@tridentsound.com
(alternate) plpaudio@ix.netcom.com
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 Cutlass
90 LSC s\e

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From: Toby Blom <Megabike@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 16:51:52 -0300
Subject: Disc brakes

Hi.
I just bought a 67 F85 Club Coupe, and want to change the original drum
brakes to power disc brakes. I'm also looking for a front bumper
withouth any rust holes. All info will be really appriciated.

Thanks from Toby

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:21:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Wet fun in Indiana

Ha,Ha,Ha, Dave.  I had a good time also.  It was a little colder than I
would have liked but I enjoyed the company of Dave and his son Michael.  As
for Dave's 442, I believe the picture on Brycemans page is of its good
side, (like there's such a thing as a bad side of a 442) but the interior
is real nice (Pledge and all) and she runs strong, boy I miss the power and
torque of BB Olds, or any Olds for that matter.  If you like Sebring Yellow
as much as I, you would like his rusty-trusty '70.
There was also a '39 at the show.

As for my 69, well getting it done before Springfield, I doubt that.
Thanks for the support though.  But being able to drive the car there IS a
possibility, I just need to get my butt in gear (and get out of doing
housework).  Dave, hopefully sometime this month I can clean up/out the
garage and be able to pull the car out for you to look at.

Unfortunately, I didn't make it to the cruise, the previously mentioned
housework needed to be done.  And that was your left Dave not mine :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31 - looks and sounds a lot better in cyberworld that in
person
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
1977 Ford LTD - hey it was free
1977 Buick LeSabre - parents bought new and is has been bequethed to me -
again, but at least it's powered by an Olds

P.S.  Hey, Dave is that a 71 or 72??



This past Saturday my son Michael and I had the pleasure of enjoying the
company of Chris Smetana while we attended the Olds show in
Indianapolis.  We took my rusty-trusty 4-4-2 and braved the wet weather
on our way to and from Indy.  The rain gods must be Oldsmobile fans
because it stayed dry the entire show.  We saw Oldsmobiles from 1950 up
to some late 80s H/Os.  There were about 40 cars in attendance along
with two stationary Olds gasoline engines from the early 1900s.  We had
a nice time at a nice show hosted by the Indiana Olds club.
After returning to Chris' home, he showed us his 69 W-31.  A diamond in
the rough with lots of potential.  A numbers matching original and very
complete.  We need to talk him into getting it done before Springfield
in '98.
Later that evening Michael and I drove/floated the 4-4-2 to Brazil IN
for a cruise-in.  Not many cars due to the weather, but I did meet the
owner of a 19,000 mile '72 W-30.  He left it home and dry, but stopped
in to check out my Olds.
All in all it was a good Saturday in spite of the rain.  I ran a tank
and a half of gas through the Olds in one day and enjoyed the company of
my youngest son and a fellow list member Chris Smetana.
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
P.S.
If Chris tries to tell anyone that I don't know the difference of right
and left, don't believe him.  He failed to tell me which left he wanted
me to turn.

------------------------------

From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 17:13:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds for Sale

On Jun 9, you wrote:
> Sherry, I think your chapter may be closest to me in portland or?
> Any chance of an application? 17765 SW jersey ct Aloha. or97007(steve
potter) > 65f-85 > 65cutlass > 50 chevy deluxe > > > Hi Steve!  Actually
the Puget Sound Chapter of the Oldsmobile Club of America is closer to you --
essentially out of Seattle, WA.    However, to join the Puget Sound group, you
pretty much have to be a member of OCA.  To join our group, you do not have to
be an OCA member, but we are an affiliate member club of OCA as we are outside
of the USA.

Dues for the B.C. Olds Club are $15 (CAN) per year, and we put out a
newsletter about every two months in which members can advertise for free.
If you are interested in joining our club, e-mail me directly.  Also, if you
want a contact name and number in the Puget Sound Chapter, email me
directly.  Look forward to hearing from you!

BTW, we are having our annual Father's Day show on the 15th if you might be
interested in trekking up north -- I understand there are going to be 4 - 5
Oregon cars coming up!

Sherry Soball
B. C. Olds Club
e-mail:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca


- --

------------------------------

From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:33:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Disc brakes

Hi.
I just bought a 67 F85 Club Coupe, and want to change the original drum
brakes to power disc brakes. I'm also looking for a front bumper
withouth any rust holes. All info will be really appriciated.

Thanks from Toby

     Toby,

     Congrats on the acquisition.  You are wise in wanting to convert to
     discs.  You have several options (suggest you check the Olds FAQ for
     more info):

     1)  67-68 A-body four-piston caliper discs.  This is a bolt-on, and is
     correct for your car (if you care).  Unfortunately, these pieces are
     quite rare (read:  expensive) and frankly, not the best design.

     2)  69-72 A-body single-piston caliper discs.  This is also a bolt-on,
     but uses the much more common (and some, like myself, will argue
     better) sliding caliper design.  Both Options 1 and 2 bolt on from the
     steering knuckles outboard.

     3)  Second generation (70-81) F-body discs.  This setup uses the
     spindles from the Camaro/Firebird family, which were available with
     bigger brakes (11", I think) than the A-body cars.  The parts are
     quite common, but unfortunately, require an adapter kit (and
     preferably, a new upper control arm) to fit properly.  The advantage
     (aside from the larger brakes) is an improvement in handling as well.
     Global West Alignment (in Ontario Ca. (714)923-6180) sells the kit for
     adapting these brakes.

     4)  Aftermarket brake kits.  Several companies make extreme (read:
     very expensive) high-performance disc brake kits for A-body cars.  The
     most well known is Baer (yes, that is the correct spelling), which
     makes a 13" kit.  Engineered Components Inc. (ECI) also markets a kit
     which allows the use of Corvette brake components on both the front
     and the back of A-body cars.

     Hope this helps.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:14:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Various Notes

>BTW, Avis supplied me with a '97 Lumina for the trip... no Olds available.
>The last Lumina I had for a rental was 5 or 6 years ago and I swore never
>again... lousy dash design, very unsatisfying. This one was much nicer,
>peppy (3.1 V-6), handled well, very quiet and comfy, a much better design
>than the previous one. But it sure could use some character. The
>philosophy seems to be that of car as appliance, not something you'd fall
>in love with.

Funny you should mention that. Just got back from four days in Cincinnati
(yes, contrary to popular belief, Mike Frederick did _not_ boot me off the
list as a pre-emptive first strike), where I was issued a new Malibu from
Avis as a rental. This is the corporate twin to the Cutlass, save for a
2.4L instead of a 3.1L, and it is indeed a car-as-appliance. It runs, it
goes, it stops, that's it. Pretty comfortable, nice instrumentation,
seats kind of flat. The suspension and tires allow you to pull surprising
G's in tight turns, but the seats don't give good lateral support. Outside
door locks have a sort of springy resistance if you turn past the lock or
unlock points (sort of like the Start position of an ignition switch), as
if you were supposed to be able to lock or unlock _all_ doors at that maximum
position, but nothing happens. Perhaps this is like that Buick option where
removing a fuse will disable the lock-doors-in-Drive feature; the Malibu did
not do this either. Hey, Avis, leave the owner's manual in next time, okay?
And the hood is one of those cheesy prop jobs. In this day and age, that's
too cheap.

One other significant point: The ignition switch is now on the dash instead
of the steering column, where it's been since 1969, and the steering column
no longer locks when you take the key out. I suppose this will put a dent in
the theft rates for a short while.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 18:28:05 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

At 11:35 PM 6/8/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Robert,
>I have never ran into a p/s pump problem like yours but one of my
>customers that does lots of engine instalations says he has twice. He said
>when you disturb the positon of the pump ( probably by turning it upside
>down) you get some sludge that has collected in the bottom of it into the
>hole that lets fluid into the pump. He said he flushes them out or removes
>the can and washes them out if flushing doesn't work.
>Like I said this isnt from personal experiance but this guy is pretty good
>and has worked on GM products for years so maybe he is right. Good Luck.
>Walter
>66 Delta 88 ragtop
>Bowie Texas
>
>Please find out exactly how he flushes it out, or romoves the can..I need
all the specifics u can get please...

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:20:13 -0300
Subject: Re: WTB: DYNAMIC 88 CONV. IN CA, AZ, OR NV

If I am not greatly mistaken, there was a 1965 model advertized last month in
Hemming's. Wait a sec.....

(frantic scuffling and much rustling)

....The place you want to contact is called Procar in Arizona, (602)
377-9355.

There is also an ad for one in CA apparently with bodywork completed. Call
(818) 704-0145.

And subscribe to Hemming's Motor News so I do not have to keep looking these
things up.  ;)


Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

Cogito ergo sump.    I think, therefore I am full of sh(aving cream)

------------------------------

From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:50:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Disc brakes

At 06:33 PM 6/9/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi.
>I just bought a 67 F85 Club Coupe, and want to change the original drum
>brakes to power disc brakes. I'm also looking for a front bumper
>withouth any rust holes. All info will be really appriciated.
>
>Thanks from Toby
>
>     Toby,
>
>     Congrats on the acquisition.  You are wise in wanting to convert to
>     discs.  You have several options (suggest you check the Olds FAQ for
>     more info):
>
>     1)  67-68 A-body four-piston caliper discs.  This is a bolt-on, and is
>     correct for your car (if you care).  Unfortunately, these pieces are
>     quite rare (read:  expensive) and frankly, not the best design.
>
>     2)  69-72 A-body single-piston caliper discs.  This is also a bolt-on,
>     but uses the much more common (and some, like myself, will argue
>     better) sliding caliper design.  Both Options 1 and 2 bolt on from the
>     steering knuckles outboard.
>
>     3)  Second generation (70-81) F-body discs.  This setup uses the
>     spindles from the Camaro/Firebird family, which were available with
>     bigger brakes (11", I think) than the A-body cars.  The parts are
>     quite common, but unfortunately, require an adapter kit (and
>     preferably, a new upper control arm) to fit properly.  The advantage
>     (aside from the larger brakes) is an improvement in handling as well.
>     Global West Alignment (in Ontario Ca. (714)923-6180) sells the kit for
>     adapting these brakes.
>
>     4)  Aftermarket brake kits.  Several companies make extreme (read:
>     very expensive) high-performance disc brake kits for A-body cars.  The
>     most well known is Baer (yes, that is the correct spelling), which
>     makes a 13" kit.  Engineered Components Inc. (ECI) also markets a kit
>     which allows the use of Corvette brake components on both the front
>     and the back of A-body cars.
>
>     Hope this helps.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>
   I'm in the process of modifying my 65 442 to the F body setup. I took my
upper control arms to a local machine shop and removed 5/8" from them. This
should reduce the ª of shims I'll need. I'll keep my progress updated to the
list for interested parties. I have used Malibu Perf. in Calf. The contact
man I've used is Bruce Allison. Malibu owns the old H/O Racing hardware to
do this. The phone number is--- (818)222-6725.>

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:59:49 -0300
Subject: Esko's Niney and Merry Salvaging.

Well what do you know. We went back to A&B on a cataloguing expedition and
found no less than two (2) 1964 Oldsmobile 98's! At least one of which had
most of the engine and power windows/seats.

I am afraid that we were much too busy trying to take inventory and carrying
all our tools and notes around to really try to take parts for others. It is
just as well that we did not because there is no telling what the guy would
have charged us. =8-{0}

There were also one 1968 two '66 Toronado's. Wait till I get the picture of
the 1968 on on my page. It is pretty funny.

That's right everyone (especially Theresa) I took lotsa pics at A&B and will
eventually post them if certain (and most beautiful) friend of mine hasa the
time (this space reserved for more blatant supplication) to scan them.
[Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, know what I mean?].

All that aside, Mr. Brown is in the arduous process of decoding our notes in
order to post a proper list.

And finally, we did see two 1972 (?) Vista Cruisers and if it were not
raining so hard I might have remembered to make off with the scripts from
them.

Thats all for now.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

Erroneous Grail Retrieval?

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 23:08:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Various Notes

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> (yes, contrary to popular belief, Mike Frederick did _not_ boot me off
> the list as a pre-emptive first strike)

True.

However I did imbed the dreaded Checkers Virus in your next digest.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:34:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Homecoming this Saturday

On Mon, 9 Jun 1997, David Brown wrote:
> Anyone with information about the Olds Homecoming this Saturday? Time,
> location, etc? Thought I would ask before calling.
>
> I plan to be there in the '77 Delta (just turned 195).

I was there last year and sure enjoyed it. It was held in the parking
lots around the Olds admin building in Lansing. I found it no problem
(it's hard to miss the Olds complex from the Interstate). Be sure to pop
into the lobby of the admin building and look around... straight out of
the 1960's!

I'm sure someone here can give you the exact exit, etc.... I forget offhand.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "outraged.com" <Bobness@outraged.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 19:27:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Various Notes

- ----------
> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: BoBnEsS
> Subject: Re: Various Notes
> Date: June 9, 1997 6:20 PM
>
>
> >BTW, Avis supplied me with a '97 Lumina for the trip... no Olds
available.
> >The last Lumina I had for a rental was 5 or 6 years ago and I swore
never
> >again... lousy dash design, very unsatisfying. This one was much nicer,
> >peppy (3.1 V-6), handled well, very quiet and comfy, a much better
design
> >than the previous one. But it sure could use some character. The
> >philosophy seems to be that of car as appliance, not something you'd
fall
> >in love with.
>
> Funny you should mention that. Just got back from four days in Cincinnati
> (yes, contrary to popular belief, Mike Frederick did _not_ boot me off
the
> list as a pre-emptive first strike), where I was issued a new Malibu from
> Avis as a rental. This is the corporate twin to the Cutlass, save for a
> 2.4L instead of a 3.1L, and it is indeed a car-as-appliance. It runs, it
> goes, it stops, that's it. Pretty comfortable, nice instrumentation,
> seats kind of flat. The suspension and tires allow you to pull surprising
> G's in tight turns, but the seats don't give good lateral support.
Outside
> door locks have a sort of springy resistance if you turn past the lock or
> unlock points (sort of like the Start position of an ignition switch), as

> if you were supposed to be able to lock or unlock _all_ doors at that
maximum
> position, but nothing happens. Perhaps this is like that Buick option
where
> removing a fuse will disable the lock-doors-in-Drive feature; the Malibu
did
> not do this either. Hey, Avis, leave the owner's manual in next time,
okay?
> And the hood is one of those cheesy prop jobs. In this day and age,
that's
> too cheap.
>
> One other significant point: The ignition switch is now on the dash
instead
> of the steering column, where it's been since 1969, and the steering
column
> no longer locks when you take the key out. I suppose this will put a dent
in
> the theft rates for a short while.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the INTRIGUE the same style as the
Malibu? Or is there a diff between Canadian and U.S models?

Thank you!

Jonathan Eaton
Bobness@outraged.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 1997 20:51:02 -0300
Subject: RE: used car quest

I would be mildly interested in a Ciera coupe, one of the ones with the
sloping rear window that I think they only offered for a few years. I am
a little more nervous of the early FWD 88/98 because of the tranny
problems they were notorious for. I do like the looks of them though,
especially the coupes.

Tonight I looked at an '84 Custom Cruiser, the full-size wagon. Owned by
an 83-year-old gent. Has about 55,000 miles on it and compared to the ones
I saw on the weekend it is amazingly solid. Original paint too, dirty and
faded but passable and might shine up fine. The only rust I could find
were a few spots around the rear side window moldings (just the surface
kind it appears, no holes) but the underside, door bottoms, etc looked
extremely good. The right rear quarter suffered a scrape that caved it in
slightly (looks like you could pop it out from the inside) and the chrome
molding there is currently attached at the rear by a piece of duct tape
(are you listening Karl?). Woodgrain vinyl on the outside is looking a
little tired, and the rear bumper has lost a bit of the chrome on the top
surface.

Aftermarket stereo unfortunately, but otherwise all the power stuff works
fine. A/C blows cold too. Interior near perfect... the only thing I could
see wrong was a droopy headliner in the rear cargo area. I assume that
could be easily fixed. Like the rest of the car the interior was kind of
dirty but otherwise fine.

Driving it I was struck by the lack of power. The 307 seemed to run fine,
idled smooth, made no odd noises (though there was a bit of an exhaust
sound under load, maybe a head pipe starting to get loose). But she sure
seemed sluggish going up hills. If you floored it it would kick down and
then pick up steam, but in top gear it was gutless on an incline. I would
suspect this is normal, since it seemed to drive fine otherwise. Any insight?

The old fellow wants $3000 firm. I like the car but it seems like a lot of
money for a 13 year old car that needs paint and lots of TLC. Right now
I'm trying to figure if I would insult him if I offered him around
$2-2.5K. And it is awfully *big*... but the solid frame and body are
mighty tempting after what I saw this week.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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