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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 5 1997       Volume 01 : Number 785



Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]
Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]
70' Rear Bumper
70' Rear Bumper
Re: 67' 442 motor mounts
Re: Auction prices, plus a ? for the list
Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION
Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]
Re: 70' Rear Bumper
Rocket Talk
RE: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA
Goodbye (sniffle)
Ads in paper (pre 1980)
Re: Conv. Vinyl Thickness
Re: DESPERATE for paint stripe spec's!
Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION
Re: Rocket Talk
Not Olds-Related; Lionel Trains
Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?
Re: Goodbye (sniffle)
Re: W-machines newsletter?  [For Robert Schinkel]
Re: [Fwd: Popular Mechanics]
RTV: Stumped or Stupid???
Re: RTV: Stumped or Stupid???
Fender Bracket
Machine Shop Prices?
Re: RTV: Stumped or Stupid???
'69 442 rear end
Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION
Re: Goodbye (sniffle)
Whoops! (Was: Re: Goodbye (sniffle)
WANTED: 1972 442 Shell
Re: Leaky master cylinder
Re: 403 swap
Re: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA
Re: J heads
Re[2]: Differential ID & swap
f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
Re: 403 swap
Re[2]: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA
Re: Big Red's HEI Woes Solved!
Re: Is this dealer still open
Re: 403 swap
Re: 403 swap
Re: Rocket Talk
Re: Popular Mechanics
Re: 70' Rear Bumper
Re: 403 swap
Re: Machine Shop Prices?
Holiday 88 wheels
'64 Vista Cruiser scripts
Re: Goodbye (sniffle)
Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
Re: Big Red's HEI Woes Solved!
hi
Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION
Re: Rocket Talk
Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85
NOS Glovebox Locks For Sale (8/5)
Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:48:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]

On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Robert and Susie Colombo wrote:


<snip>

About Penpals Virus

This is a hoax.

Whenever you hear about a virus, check the following location
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html

Symantec is the company that makes/publishes (?) Norton Anti Virus (NAV).

The URL above is the index to their Virus Info Database.

Penpals is a variation of the GoodTimes virus [NOT].

Sleep tight.

Don Sugarman


sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:49:43 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]

>If anyone receives e-mail entitled "PENPAL GREETINGS!" please
>delete it WITHOUT READING IT!!

Sigh...

This moronic claptrap has been circulating for years; it was
previously called the Good Times virus. You can read more about
the origins of this urban legend at

http://www.commandcom.com/html/virus/abstract/penpal.html

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:51:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: WIONKING@aol.com
Subject: 70' Rear Bumper

 I am looking for a 70' Cutlass rear bumper in excellent shape.  One with or
without the exhaust cutouts.  If you have any good ones or good cores, E-mail
me back with prices and shipping costs.
                                        Thank you.

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 17:57:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: WIONKING@aol.com
Subject: 70' Rear Bumper

 I am looking for a 70' Cutlass rear bumper in excellent condition.  One with
or without the exhaust cutouts is fine.  I would also like to know what a
core is and how to get it refinished to show quality.  E-mail me with prices
and Info, if possible.
                                       Thank you.

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:00:13 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: 67' 442 motor mounts

Patton wrote:
>
> My local parts house and YO do not list engine mounts for the 65-68 400
> motors.
> do I use small block mounts or later model BB mounts

I think Kanter does, give them a shot.
- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 19:07:18 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Auction prices, plus a ? for the list

 Mike,

I am not meaning anything personal, but many of these prices seem
unrealistic.  It has been my experience that '66-72 442's can be bought in
ª3 (nice) condition can be had for the $5,000 to $7,500 range.  Show cars
are higher, but still $10,000 will buy a lovely car.  I will also say that
these prices will buy all of the Olds competitiion also.  That is what
'60's -'70's bring around here.

I was jsut at a show where a a very nice 1968 Chevelle w/427 w/1968
identification on it, 4-speed, buckets, & beautiful paint was for sale at
$12,500.  There was no serious interest at all.  A 1955 T'Bird in $3
condition at $20,000 was totally ignored.  These cars just won't bring near
the prices of restoration.  Be careful what you pay.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
To: Olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 2:54 AM
Subject: RE: Auction prices, plus a ? for the list



>For Sieglinde Kuzava: 1978 Cutlass Supreme
>
>78' Cutlass Supremes not shown but 78' Cutlass Coupes are...
>
>High: $7,500
>Low: $5,600
>Average: $6,366.67
>
>
>
>Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
>Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
>The Oldsmobile Stable:
>     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
>     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
>     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:13:01 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:> >Im putting an ederbrock alum. on my 350
>  I also have a 67 c/s conv for sale, very rusty body but good frame. car has
> p/b, p/s, a/c, and p/bench seat, 330 4v, powerglide. top mech all there.
> asking 500 obo.

If the frame is totally free of rust holes, you just might have sold it.
I'm looking for a solid 66-67 frame (convertible of course, ht frames
are a dime a dozen)  Could you please email me back with details on
frame condition and where you are located?  Thanks alot..

- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 19:13:50 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: FW: Internet Virus]]

The Sugarmans wrote:
>
> On Mon, 4 Aug 1997, Robert and Susie Colombo wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> About Penpals Virus
>
> This is a hoax.
>
> Whenever you hear about a virus, check the following location
> http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/vinfodb.html
>
> Symantec is the company that makes/publishes (?) Norton Anti Virus (NAV).
>
> The URL above is the index to their Virus Info Database.
>
> Penpals is a variation of the GoodTimes virus [NOT].
>
> Sleep tight.
>
> Don Sugarman
>
> sugarman@berkshire.net
> FAX 413-443-7395

Not only a hoax but an OLD hoax at that, they should freshen that one up
a bit.
- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:46:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70' Rear Bumper

i have good cores, cutlass or 442, plateing depends on who you choose. most
body shops can recommend some one,  my cores cost 100$ for cutlass,150 for
442.                i deal in 68-72 parts,442 cutlass,vista cruzer.  any
thing else you need?   steven.              w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:54:18 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Hey All

        Is anyone using this anymore? Been checking an never meet anyone
there anymore. Just checking.


Jim Chermack

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:42:32 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: RE: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA

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I'm also planning on going...let's all park together and make an =
impressive Oldsmobile showing, just in time for that extra push of =
enthusiasm for Lansing!

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

- -----Original Message-----
From:hhzimmerman [SMTP:hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net]
Sent:Monday, August 04, 1997 1:21 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA

I'm planning on going this comming Saturday night- where is it in =
Manassas- the last cruise I did up there=20
was when Jerry's pizza was big (and my car was in the condition to get =
901 points at Templeton olds).

Anyway, if you see a blue '71 cutlass supreme 'vertable with a blown =
clearcoat and primer grey W-30 hood=20
(Hey, the new sheetmetal and paint goes on this winter!) don't laugh, =
just wave.  At least I got $10,000 in=20
the mechanical parts even though it's just a built 350/350 drivetrain...


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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:42:04 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: Goodbye (sniffle)

Hey, gang.

Well, it's about that time when all good things must come to an end?:-(

Back when I joined, I never really introduced myself mostly because I wasn't
'net savvy back then and didn't figure anything was needed.  Then, when others
started doing so, I thought "Hmmm."  So, here's a little about me?I'm now 18 
and
will be attending Virginia Tech in the fall (the cause for this email, read 
on).
I have a 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD.  It has the 307 V8 with the 200 3-speed.  I
swapped the gears, made an exhaust modification and had PST polygraphite front
end bushings installed, but that's about it.  You can see more about it
following either of the links below.  I've had the car for over two years now
and have enjoyed every bit of it!  I will be attending the events in Lansing,
but only on Wednesday.  I leave town (sniffle, cry, sob) Wednesday evening and
drive home on Thursday only to pack the U-Haul (pulled by my dad's Grand
Cherokee, not MY Olds?) and drive down to Tech to move in on Friday afternoon.

But, now I must say good bye (waaaah, waaaah).  I have definitely put in less
than I got out, but only because I could never dream about knowing as much as
some on the folks on this list.  Whenever I have asked a question, it seems 
that
at least half-a-dozen responses were in by the next couple of days.  I'm trying
to milk all the time I have with my computer and will not officially (and
physically) uns*bscribe until this Saturday, the ninth.  I'll be packing my
stuff (but not the Olds yet) this weekend and that includes the computer.  In 
an
effort not to overload Erols' mail server and to actually study some while I'm
in college, I'm uns*bscribing for the first semester, at least, just to see how
my time is spent.  I might be back later in the year, though.  So, to all whom
have helped be, THANKS! It's been a hoot!  See you all in Lansing, if you're
there already on Wednesday.

My email at Tech will be jadcock@vt.edu if anybody needs me for anything?Greg
P., are you still at Tech?

Thanks and good luck with all of your Olds projects!

P.S. Just so you'll remember me, attached is a high-resolution, full-color JPEG
image of the Olds in full screen format?just kidding?


 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com
 (after Aug 25, jadcock@vt.edu)

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 20:17:31 -0500
From: kovalj@dave-world.net (Justin Koval)
Subject: Ads in paper (pre 1980)

Some ads in a trading post.....anything in () is from me...

1967 Olds 442
all reciepts, new headliner, carpet, vinyl top, orignal engine and tranny,
no rust..  needs good home. (815) 784-5586 Genoa, Illinois  $4500 or BO

1968 Olds Delta 88 Conv
good cond, yellow w/black  good top, new tires  (414) 594-2244 Eagle, WI
$2150 or BO

1969 442 Convertible
Auto, buckets, safron yellow with black top..  $10,750 Wauconda,IL
(847) 526-5950    (I have seen this car..it is SWEET!)


1965 Old Convertible
455 Auto white/black int.  Clean  $2995 (319) 322-0480 Davenport Iowa

1964 Olds F-85 Club sport Coupe
gray, 330 good condition ready to drive or restore taking offers..
(712) 296-3615 Lynn grove, Iowa

1967 Olds Cutlass
body restored, good engine 3 sp on floor Chevy engine (???)
(608) 427-3473 Camp Douglas, wisconsin

1971 Olds Cutlass Conv.
good condition 350 rocket..mostly original, runs good  $6500 o BO
(815) 625-5342 Sterling,Illinois

1972 442 W-30
4 spd, buckets, 3:42 Posi, 60,000 orig miles, runs/drives excellant, 1 0f
289 made. Correct rare car.. $9500 (815)648-4602   (414) 275-1124
Harvard, Illinois  (on a scale 1-10, this car is a 10000000000!)

1972 Old Tornonado
455 Loaded, new brakes, shocks, tires, hoses, ect... 64,000 mi
this car goes fast... sacrfice $2000/bo
(812)877-2449  Seelyville, Indiana

66 and 67 Olds Toronados..
66 runs but rusty..good parts car.. 67 Full options.. Very restorable..
$1000 for both /BO
(906) 228-8588 Marquette,Mi   (GREAT BUY!)

1940 Olds..email me for more info...

1972 olds 98
455 Runs good, body good, Little Rust  $500  Farmington, Illinois
(309)245-4787

1971 Cutlass Conv.
Auto, Air, new top..$5500 or BO (815)673-3539 Streator,Il (SWEET CAR!)

1970 Olds Cutlass
mint interior 50,000 miles..Nice car, runs great..needs front clip $1800/BO
(309)274-5568 Chillicothe,Ill



Enough for now..have some more..maybe in later post..

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:19:33 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Conv. Vinyl Thickness

Ray I to went with the thickest material I could find with the same idea
thicker is better
I was wrong. The top was so tight when new that my girlfriend would do a
chin up on the header bar
to pull the top down on to the widshield frame to hook the latches.  It was
to tight and within a month it tore.  The Jack*ss who did it refuse to back
his warrenty now two years later it's still ripped and I still have to pull
on the header bar to get the damn thing to latch up
Next time thin and cheap at least that will hold the water out

Bob

- ----------
> From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Conv. Vinyl Thickness
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 11:15 AM
>
> Greetings All
>
> I am in the process of replacing the top on my '70 Cutlass convertible.
> While I was researching prices, I noticed a difference in the advertised
> thickness of the vinyl material. Because the difference in price is not
> great enough to affect my choice I was wondering if there were any other
> issues which should have a bearing on the decision. I was thinking of
going
> for the thickest material for durability. But, when playing the devil's
> advocate on that choice, I thought that a thicker material might not hold
> up as well in the inside folds of the top frame when the top is down.
Does
> anyone have experience or advice on this subject?
>
> TIA
> Ray

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:21:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: DESPERATE for paint stripe spec's!

if you havent found them yet,maybe this will help.oldsmobile 442&w-machines
restoration guide by: t patric sullivan,book has diagrams and specs. on all
olds stripeing.  steven.   w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 20:34:18 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION

> ..Thanx for info, alot of 76-77 f-body around.  I'm putting a TORQUE PLUS
> intake gasket on my 71 350.

I've been thinking about using these let me know if it's worth the $35-40.

>  I also have a 67 c/s conv for sale, very rusty body but good frame. car
has
> p/b, p/s, a/c, and p/bench seat, 330 4v, powerglide. top mech all there.
> asking 500 obo.
>
> >>also 67 442 frame w/308 posi 4 sale. car has putty body still attached
300
> obo

What's the location of these cars. I doubt I'd buy one but you never know
I've been wanting a conv. real bad! It will be another 1-1 1/2 years before
I could afford a nice one so I could put up with a beater for now maybe
evan fix it up depending how bad it is.

> I miss olds in NASCAR COMP, ALSO IN NHRA.   THANX 4 THE HELP
> bernie----------67 f-85-----67 442 conv.-----86 cutlass salon --69
> mach-1-iknow but it was my 1st luv!!!

Daren

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:28:08 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

Well lets try and put something together to all meet there
I'm for it

Bob

- ----------
> From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Rocket Talk
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 8:54 PM
>
> Hey All
>
>         Is anyone using this anymore? Been checking an never meet anyone
> there anymore. Just checking.
>
>
> Jim Chermack
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:30:49 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Not Olds-Related; Lionel Trains

Oldsmoids, Toroids-

OK, think I sent an earlier post about Lionel Trains.  They're in Chesterfield
MI, just NE of Detroit.

Their web site is www.lionel.com

Big surprise, eh?

They have a Visitor Center but it's only open Wed thru Sat... however, I've 
sent
 them an email asking if they could accomodate a group of us RocketHeads on the
 Tuesday the 19th, in the am.

The sixty-four Oldsmobile question... are any of you interested, if we can get
this set up?

Please reply to me privately, I'm not on the email lists presently.

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 21:36:09 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter? are you intrested?

Put me down for membership where do I sign

Robert Schinkel

1970 W-31
1970 442 Convertible
1970 Cutlass Supreme Conv. ET 13.3 and still getting faster

- ----------
>
> WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> > OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE CHAPTER.
>
> ***************************************
>
> If this happens, I'll gladly join again.
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:45:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Goodbye (sniffle)

Jason, sorry to see you go but good luck at Virginia Tech and I hope you
will rejoin us sometime down the road. I might have to deputize you to
keep an eye out for those varmints at Tech who caused us so many problems
last year with bogus subscribes... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:52:33 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: W-machines newsletter?  [For Robert Schinkel]

Robert Schinkel wrote:
>

> Robert Schinkel
>
> 1970 W-31
> 1970 442 Convertible
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme Conv. ET 13.3 and still getting faster
>
>Sorry to post this to everyone, but this is for Robert.

What's the '70 cutlass have in it to run 13.3?  Engine, trans, gears,
wheel/tire, etc.  I'm real curious.

thanks,
greg
hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:01:43 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Popular Mechanics]

> > Anyone see the shoot out in the August Isse of Popular Mechanics
> between
> > vintage iron and them new-fangled plastic cars?  How about that W-30
> eh?
>
>   I missed that one.. do tell..
>
> Ken

  Ok, August issue of PM:
They pitted old muscle cars vs. new.  The contenders included in order
of fastest 1/4 mile:
    '97 Viper GTS
    '87 Bu*ck Regal T-type
    '70 Bu*ck GS-455 Stage 1
    '70 Ch*vy Chevelle SS-454
    '70 Hemicuda
    '97 R*stang Cobra SVT
    '69 R*stang Mach 1 SCJ
    '97 P*ontiac Firebird Firehawk
    '97 C*m*ro Z28 SS
    '74 Pont T/A SD-455
    '62 Ch*vy Bel Air 409
    '65 P*ntiac GTO
    '70 Olds 442 W-30

Personally, I think they gave the 442 a raw deal.  Something just didn't
seem right when they said "We've seen similar cars run in the high 13's
without breathing hard..."  This one ran 1/4:  14.80 @ 97.47 mph.  Other
stats for the W-30 were as follows:
       0-60 in 6.75 sec.
        60-0 @ 198 ft.  (worst braking of the day)
        slalom: 38.9 mph  Out-running the B*ick Stage 1
The only thing they really liked was the chambered exhaust pipes and the
way the car sounded, it almost seemed like they were belittling it.  All
I have to say is it was the nicest ride on the track that day.  And it
doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out that a Viper V10 with 455
horses made out of paper-mache is going to out run most of these
cars...these thing happen

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3
Stonehill College Radio
- -----------------------
http://www.stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:37:24 -0400
From: John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Subject: RTV: Stumped or Stupid???

Either we stumped everybody or we asked a really stupid question. Does
anybody know if RTV that oozes inside the engine (water and oil
passages) during a rebuild is harmful in any way. Does it stay put or
does it break off and get processed by the engine (filtered? burned up?)
or can it gum up the works? Maybe it's like that age old question: If a
tree falls down in the woods when nobody's around, does it make a sound?
We don't know....does anybody else?
.......j&r

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 22:33:21 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: RTV: Stumped or Stupid???

John and Robin Whitcore wrote:
>
> Either we stumped everybody or we asked a really stupid question. Does
> anybody know if RTV that oozes inside the engine (water and oil
> passages) during a rebuild is harmful in any way. Does it stay put or
> does it break off and get processed by the engine (filtered? burned
> up?) or can it gum up the works?

Sorry.  Meant to reply the first time.  It does break off.  We used to
find in the oil pan and the filter of our sprint car so we stopped using
it whenever possible.  We never found it to cause a problem, we were just
erring on the side of caution.  That and we didn't what to find a glob
somewhere in the valve train one day.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 22:47:50 -0400
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Fender Bracket

I need to find a lower front driver side fender bracket.
The bracket has broken in the past few days and is
now shaking real bad. I can hear banging on the bumper
at stop lights.
Does anyone know where I can find one? I have looked
at catalogs from Sherman Assoc., Specialty Olds and
Fusick and none of them had any fender brakets listed.
Would like to find one before the Lansing trip. The car
doesn't look good with a shaking fender.

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:06:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Subject: Machine Shop Prices?

What's the average price of a mild valve job:

   Boil heads
   Cut seats for large valves
   Install new valve guides
   Assemble and set spring height

Assuming I supply the heads bare, and I supply  all the new parts
(valves, springs, keepers, ect) how much should this run?

These are Olds ª7 heads.  Even though all the shops around here seem to
only speak Brand-X, I can't belive Olds heads are that different. ;^)

I'm getting prices from $375-500 for this.   Knock off $50 if I
assemble them myself.  Sounds a little high, no?


                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 18:19:59 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: RTV: Stumped or Stupid???

I bought a car (a W-30) where someone had built the engine mostly out of
silicon. If you have to use more than a very thin coat on valve covers
and oil pan gaskets then you have a problem. The real danger of the
silicon in the oil system is clogging the pick up screen and if it
passes that the oil filter which will lead to a lack of oil. The only
place I use liberal amounts is the water pump.

Danny

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:22:20 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: '69 442 rear end

I am looking for a good posi rear end for my '69 442.  Any suggestions?
Thanks

- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3
Stonehill College Radio
- -----------------------
http://www.stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
- ---------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:22:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION

if you dont end up sellin the car,let me know i might be interested in the
pwerbrake set-up. thanks!

brent (bman6771@aol.com)
1967 cutlass convertible (a work in progress)

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:54:37 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: Goodbye (sniffle)

>My email at Tech will be jadcock@vt.edu if anybody needs me for
anything?Greg P., are you still at Tech?

Ayup.  I have a couple years or so left. (I'm kinda one of thoes
proffesional students at the moment)  I will be commuting once again this
year from Salem, about 70 miles round trip and as always I'll be driving the
trusty Vista Cruiser.  The cutlass is nowhere near roadworthy and won't be
for at least another year. If you see a bright yellow `72 Vista Cruiser
tooling around in blacksburg, that's me.

Give me a call or email once you get settled in.  My phone ª is 380-3628.
The call is local from campus and most of blacksburg.  It'll be cool to know
another olds enthusiast at Tech.  I might even run into you in Lansing, I'll
be up there for most of the event.  Clayton Pierce (you might remember him,
he's off the list temporarily, summer vacation) is gonna drive up here from
Tenessee then we're both gonna load up the Vista Cruiser and head north.   I
won't have to come back early since I don't have to move into a dorm or
apartment or anything like that.  Just drive up to Blacksburg monday morning
and be somewhat coherent for class.

See ya in Blacksburg.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme
 grpruett@vt.edu

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:02:04 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Whoops! (Was: Re: Goodbye (sniffle)

Sorry folks.  I meant to send that last post privately...guess the hand was
quicker than the brain that time. :)

I'll quit wasting list bandwidth now. :)

Greg Pruett

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:49:16 +0000
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: WANTED: 1972 442 Shell

I was looking for 72 Cutlass Supreme 442 W-30 Shell, but if anyone knows
where to find just a 442 Shell of the same year and body style,
preferably a convertible, please let me know.
Thanx.

* 1972 Cutlass Supreme *

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:48:12 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Leaky master cylinder

>My 69 442 has power disc brakes.  They were converted a few years ago
>using supposedly used parts from a 69.  There is a metering valve at the
>master cylinder.....for 69 only I believe.  It also has a proportional

My '70 uses the same separate metering valve, bolted to the power booster.
They went to the one-piece combination valve in 1971, I believe. I almost
retrofitted one on the car when I redid the brakes, but I was struck with a
case of originality at that moment.

>have very low manifold vaccum due to a radical cam.  NOW THE
>PROBLEM...The master cylinder leaks frequently from the cover.  I've
>changed the cover and gasket at least twice...still leaking.  Can
>someone suggest a solution to prevent the leak.  Looks like !ª*?  Wayne

Hmmm, could you be overfilling the MC? Mine tilts back pretty severely, and
I imagine that if I filled it when the car was facing downhill, it would
leak past the cover seal when the car was level again.

How much leaks out? Do you see it just around the cover, or is it running
down the booster as well? Maybe you've got a leak at the rear seal of the
MC, that looks like it is leaking from the cover? It would be really odd to
leak a significant amount past that cover gasket, unless the casting was
really warped (I mean, that would have to be REALLY warped!).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 23:59:21 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 403 swap

>I am thinking about buying a rebuild engine outright from PAW. How much
>trouble is there involved with the motor mounts on the 403? I have a '70
>Cutlass and I know that the motor has center engine mounts. When my
>friend put a '77 model 400 (pontiac) in his '70 LeMans, I remember him
>having to drill the frame to suit the front-style mounts. Anyone have
>any info on this kind of swap?

The 403 has the same motor-mount holes that your 350 (or 455) would. You
bolt the mount to the two rear holes, and bolt everything in to the frame
mounts in their original location.

Does PAW still sell rebuilt Olds motors? I recall their ads listing them
years ago, but lately (~last 10 years) they've only had the Ch*vy/F*rd/Mopar
engines listed. Of course, I haven't bought one of their full catalogs, so
I'd be interested in learning what they carry for Olds these days.

BTW, I think you can still get a rebuilt 403 from GM Goodwrench; this was a
year ago, but they were phasing them out I think.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 97 23:53:55 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA

Drew Senko wrote:

Following Joe Padavano's lead, I went to Chubby's in Manassas VA this
weekend...

     Finally!  Somebody listens to me!  :-)

Joe, I couldn't find you there.  I got there around 9pm on Saturday and
there were still plenty of cars there.  I don't know when this really
gets started, and I had other obligations until then.

     Must have just missed you.  I left just before 9:00, as the two
     boys were getting antsy.  We usually arrive around 6:00, and the
     cruise is in full swing by then.  Typically people set out lawn
     chairs and try to score the primo parking spots.  I'm guessing the
     cars start showing up about 5:00.  A lot of nice cars had actually
     left by 8:00-8:30.

Many cars of all makes were present.  In the Olds department I saw a '67 442,
a '67 C/S convertible, a mid-80's 442, and a '70 C/S or 442 holiday coupe
(I saw it as I was leaving; didn't get close enough to really id the car).

     The 70 Supreme belonged to (former) list member Doug Bennett.  He
     arrived just as I was getting ready to leave.  He has unfortunately
     unsubscribed due to the volume of messages; I told him about the digest
     version (he seemed surprised), so hopefully he will be able to rejoin
     us.

..It was a lot of fun.  I recommend it to any people in the Northern
Virginia area that have the time, whether you have a car you want to show or
not.

     Agreed.  Sorry I missed you.  This is an amazingly well-attended
     cruise and happens _every_ Saturday night.  I can't say that I make it
     every Saturday, but it is a lot of fun.  The only downer this past
     weekend was a crackdown by the local gendarmes on parking in the
     yellow zone.  Ironically, the first cars they nailed were those
     belonging to the Pizza Hut Delivery store at that shopping center.
     The officer spent a long time talking to the manager of the store.  I
     had walked off to look at the cars and after a while noticed that the
     police car was not to be found.  Upon rapid further inspection, I
     found the officer, ticket book in hand, sauntering towards my
     (somewhat illegally parked) W-30.  I raced towards the car, slamming
     the hood shut as his pen hovered in mid-air and mumbling "We're outta
     here" as I started the engine.  This seemed to satisfy him, and he
     went on to stalk other scofflaws.  Whew!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:07:36 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: J heads

>> >I've been given a pair of rebuilt J heads with 2.07 intake valves and
>> >1.68 exhaust.  I've been told that the J heads are not as desirable as
<snip>
>> to flow well, though. Those 2.07/1.68 valves are non-standard sizes
<snip>
>them before I dropped them off) and in talking to the machinist I found
>out that some J heads in '73 did come from the factory with the 2.07
>intakes. These heads were on the Toronado's and the 442's equipped with
>manual trans...

OK, I thought that the MT 442's got the "K" heads with the big valves, and
that all Toronados after 1972 used the regular-spec 455's. Anyone got an
original MT 455-powered 442 from '73-'76 that they can look at the heads
codes for us? And who here has torn down a '73-'76 Toro motor lately? Having
big-valve heads in these cars would certainly widen the candidates for
performance buildups.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:18:38 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re[2]: Differential ID & swap

>..Well, one big difference would be the width of the rear drum brake shoes
>(2.5", vs. non-VC 2")...
>
>     I've often wondered if the difference in the brake width is
>     accommodated with different backing plates and drums, or if the axle
>     is actually a different width.  Given GM's maximum use of common parts
>     if at all possible, I'd be willing to bet that both the wheel
>     flange-to-wheel flange dimension and the axle housing width are the
>     same for VC and non-VC rear ends, with the 1/2" per side difference
>     taken up by VC-unique backing plates.  If this is true, this would be
>     an easy way to get a 25% increase in brake swept area on a 442.
>     Anybody have a VC and a tape measure handy?

Actually, I'll be loading one on a truck this weekend to bring back home, so
I can measure these things. Off the top of my head, though, I recall that
the backing plates didn't appear to have any extra "offset" to them. Hmmmm.....
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:18:42 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

>THANKS FOR THE REPLY, MY FRIEND HAS a 1970 chevelle (yuck) w/ disc brakes.
>wikk they work??????

On your F-85? Yes, they should be a bolt on. But won't your friend be upset
when he goes out in the morning to drive to work, and discovers his spindles
are gone...?

But seriously, grab the master cylinder and the metering valve/distribution
block from his car while you're swiping the spindles/backing
plates/calipers/hoses/frame bracket for brake hose (Very Important!
different than the drum-brake bracket!). Swap over the whole system.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:20:34 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 403 swap

> The 403 has the same motor-mount holes that your 350 (or 455) would. You
> bolt the mount to the two rear holes, and bolt everything in to the frame
> mounts in their original location.
>
> Does PAW still sell rebuilt Olds motors? I recall their ads listing them
> years ago, but lately (~last 10 years) they've only had the Ch*vy/F*rd/Mopar
> engines listed. Of course, I haven't bought one of their full catalogs, so
> I'd be interested in learning what they carry for Olds these days.
>
> BTW, I think you can still get a rebuilt 403 from GM Goodwrench; this was a
> year ago, but they were phasing them out I think.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918



PAW is still offering Olds 350, 403, & 455. Thanks for the info on the
Goodwrench engine. May have to check on that. I think that PAW would
have better head cores than the original 403 heads.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 97 00:01:03 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Chubby's Cruise-In: Manassas VA

I'm planning on going this comming Saturday night- where is it in Manassas-
the last cruise I did up there was when Jerry's pizza was big (and my car was
in the condition to get 901 points at Templeton olds).

     This is apparently the reincarnation of the Jerry's cruise.  Chubby's
     is on Rt. 234/Sudley Rd. across from Prince William Hospital.  You
     can't miss it.  Cars start arriving before 6:00 and the cruise runs
     well into the evening.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 00:33:58 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Big Red's HEI Woes Solved!

>the throttle works smooth, and more importantly, Big Red no longer
>stays in first gear :)
>
>Now, if only the weather would cooperate so I can drive the car!
>
>Cloudy today w/ T-storms in the afternoon, a possible Nor'easter tomorrow,
>earliest it'll be nice again is Thursday afternoon :P
>
>P.S.  To the New England list members going to Olds Day up at Epping,
>      I wish I could go, but I'll be driving down to Cape Cod that weekend
>      for a 2 week vacay...

Well, Tim, I'll be in Dennisport from the 17th through the 21st; you taking
Big Red or a family car? I'll probably be in the 403 Electra, as the A/C is
blowing cold now! :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 21:12:13 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Is this dealer still open

Didn't find this dealership name in the N. Hollywood area - but then again
there have been cases where the dealership was sold & its under a new name.
 Did you have any luck with the Olds History Center?  I had similar info
like this from my '66 Toro & couldn't find either the prior owner or
dealer.  My '67 Delta however came from a dealership still in business.  I
plan to go to them & see if I can suck up for some promotional or other
Olds related stuff on the strength the car came from them 30 yrs. ago -
hey, its worth a shot!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 23:47:28 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: 403 swap

Robert Barry wrote:

> Does PAW still sell rebuilt Olds motors? I recall their ads listing them
> years ago, but lately (~last 10 years) they've only had the Ch*vy/F*rd/Mopar
> engines listed. Of course, I haven't bought one of their full catalogs, so


Their newest catalog only lists a 455 Olds (If available)
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- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:55:18 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 403 swap

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
>
> Robert Barry wrote:
>
> > Does PAW still sell rebuilt Olds motors? I recall their ads listing them
> > years ago, but lately (~last 10 years) they've only had the 
Ch*vy/F*rd/Mopar
> > engines listed. Of course, I haven't bought one of their full catalogs, so
>
> Their newest catalog only lists a 455 Olds (If available)
> --
> Is it really worth buying a rebuilt motor from a store like Pep Boys or
something?  What parts are new, and what's re-used?  If I were to shell out 
cash
like that, I wouldn't want a crankshaft with 150,000 miles on it...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:09:14 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> Hey All
>
>         Is anyone using this anymore? Been checking an never meet anyone
> there anymore. Just checking.
>
> Jim Chermack
Jim,
   I have also been on Rocket Talk many times and no one is there.
For a while it seems a few people were getting on at 8:30 PM CST on
Thursday nights. I have not always been on at 8:30 but have showed up
at 9:15 or so and usually nobody. If everybody would like to get on
again at 8:30 PM CST  on Thursdays I am all for it or for that matter
name another time and lets get a lot more people on. I pretty much
thought that it is more related to the summer than anything else as to
why no one is on. I would think in the winter months it could get pretty
busy.

Thanks
Tom Williams

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 01:28:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Popular Mechanics

In a message dated 97-08-04 15:14:40 EDT, you write:

<<    I saw the article and the best I can remember(I work the graveyard
 shift;.))they
 put up the muscle cars against the new 'vette and a c*bra.Because of weight
 diff-
 erences the plastic cars won.The muscle car pics were great.
 Fred Kemp
 '67 442
 '67 cutlass
  >>
Actually they had a WS6, an SS Z, a Viper and some other thing, and the VIPER
took the honors....makes sense tho, thought it was cool thet thru an 87 T
Type Turbo Buick in the middle of it all.  Love my 442, love my T
Type.....TIM

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:39:40 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 70' Rear Bumper

WIONKING@aol.com wrote:
>
>  I am looking for a 70' Cutlass rear bumper in excellent condition.  One with
> or without the exhaust cutouts is fine.  I would also like to know what a
> core is and how to get it refinished to show quality.  E-mail me with prices
> and Info, if possible.
>                                        Thank you.


Sorry, can't help you with that. I would like to ask you about the
intake manifold, though. Sorry to put this on the list, but your mailbox
shows full.

Thanks,

JR

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 00:42:17 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: 403 swap

Dave Ward wrote:
>
> dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> >
> > Robert Barry wrote:
> >
> > > Does PAW still sell rebuilt Olds motors? I recall their ads listing them
> > > years ago, but lately (~last 10 years) they've only had the
Ch*vy/F*rd/Mopar > > > engines listed. Of course, I haven't bought one of their
full catalogs, so > > > > Their newest catalog only lists a 455 Olds (If
available) > > -- > > Is it really worth buying a rebuilt motor from a store
like Pep Boys or something?  What parts are new, and what's re-used?  If I were
to shell out cash like that, I wouldn't want a crankshaft with 150,000 miles on
it... > > S. Dave Ward

And if I were to shell out cash like that it certainly would NOT be on a
late 70's 403.
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- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 01:51:49 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Machine Shop Prices?

Hey Bob here in Canada I priced the same work to a pair of ª6's and was
quoted $550 from the local machine shop.  That would be $369 US
But all shops would have their own prices but perhaps this helps

Robert Schinkel


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> From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
> To: The Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Machine Shop Prices?
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 11:06 PM
>
>
> What's the average price of a mild valve job:
>
>    Boil heads
>    Cut seats for large valves
>    Install new valve guides
>    Assemble and set spring height
>
> Assuming I supply the heads bare, and I supply  all the new parts
> (valves, springs, keepers, ect) how much should this run?
>
> These are Olds ª7 heads.  Even though all the shops around here seem to
> only speak Brand-X, I can't belive Olds heads are that different. ;^)
>
> I'm getting prices from $375-500 for this.   Knock off $50 if I
> assemble them myself.  Sounds a little high, no?
>
>
>                      -->   Bob Valentine  <--
>                     --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
>         "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 02:10:10 -0400
From: "John S.Shelp" <shelpj@noln.com>
Subject: Holiday 88 wheels

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 08:24:41 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: '64 Vista Cruiser scripts

Still looking for '64 Vista Cruiser fender scripts, any luck now?

Jim Hoekendijk, '64 Cutlass Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 02:33:18 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Goodbye (sniffle)

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Hey, gang.
>
> Well, it's about that time when all good things must come to an end?:-(
>
>
>
>
>
> My email at Tech will be jadcock@vt.edu if anybody needs me for anything?Greg
P., are you still at Tech? > > Thanks and good luck with all of your Olds
projects! > > P.S. Just so you'll remember me, attached is a high-resolution,
full-color JPEG image of the Olds in full screen format?just kidding? > >
Jason Adcock >  OCA ª028044 >  adcockjk@erols.com >  (after Aug 25,
jadcock@vt.edu) > >  1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8 >  75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2,
N66 >  http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html >  Also viewable 
through
http://www.442.com Jason,

Very nice ride.  Congrats on going to college.  Take advantage of the
total college experience and have a good time as well as academics.
Meet everbody you can and sample as much as you can.  (Heck be
adventuresome and test drive an offbrand like a Ch*vy or a F*rd).
College is as much about expanded horizons and opportunities as
anything.  Take advantage the social opportunities.  Try to find a
female Olds lover with a Hurst or 442 if you are a risk taker.  Above
all enjoy yourself and prepare for the future.  And if you get an
opportunity to watch the Kentucky Wildcats play basketball, take it.
(However, don't bother to catch the football team.  We haven't figured
out how to dribble a ball with points on it yet.)  Good luck.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 02:42:49 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >THANKS FOR THE REPLY, MY FRIEND HAS a 1970 chevelle (yuck) w/ disc brakes.
> >wikk they work??????
>
> On your F-85? Yes, they should be a bolt on. But won't your friend be upset
> when he goes out in the morning to drive to work, and discovers his spindles
> are gone...?
>
> But seriously, grab the master cylinder and the metering valve/distribution
> block from his car while you're swiping the spindles/backing
> plates/calipers/hoses/frame bracket for brake hose (Very Important!
> different than the drum-brake bracket!). Swap over the whole system.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Is it true that car thieves in the big cities (Boston, New York, etc.)
can do this job in 5 minutes and yet a repair shop takes two weeks.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 02:47:02 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Big Red's HEI Woes Solved!

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >the throttle works smooth, and more importantly, Big Red no longer
> >stays in first gear :)
> >
> >Now, if only the weather would cooperate so I can drive the car!
> >
> >Cloudy today w/ T-storms in the afternoon, a possible Nor'easter tomorrow,
> >earliest it'll be nice again is Thursday afternoon :P
> >
> >P.S.  To the New England list members going to Olds Day up at Epping,
> >      I wish I could go, but I'll be driving down to Cape Cod that weekend
> >      for a 2 week vacay...
>
> Well, Tim, I'll be in Dennisport from the 17th through the 21st; you taking
> Big Red or a family car? I'll probably be in the 403 Electra, as the A/C is
> blowing cold now! :)
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
Robert,

Isn't there an inverse relationship that when the temperatures start to
drop the a/c gets fixed and/or starts working?  It is like my a/c on the
family car.  We drove almost 2,000 miles total and the a/c only worked
about 1/3 of them.  It was really working the last sixty miles before we
got home last month.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 03:43:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: doogus@hotmail.com
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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 05:40:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: CAR 4 SALE AND 350 QUESTION

no problem, thanx....RCKTPWR@AOL.COM

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 05:52:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

WHAT IS THIS, SOUNDS INTERESTING, I LUV 2 TALK about rockets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

.67 f85
>>67 442 conv
><>86 cutlass salon......c-ya RCKTPWR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 05:57:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

>>>thanx 4 the reply, what a great website.  I can get all the stuff u said
to, He wants 100bucks 4 all, sounds fair 2 me. I hope my rocket doesnt reject
the chevy parts!!  RCKTPWR@AOL.COM

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Date: Tue, 05 Aug 1997 06:05:59 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: NOS Glovebox Locks For Sale (8/5)

I have the following Oldsmobile glovebox lock service packages which I
would like to sell:

NOS glovebox lock package, part number 4818080.  For all 1953 to 1955
models, 1963 Starfire and 98, and all 1964 to 1966 models.  This is an
uncoded lock cylinder which requires coding and a key for use.  $10.00,
including shipping to any address in North America.

NOS glovebox lock package, part number 8786148.  For all 1970 models.
This lock appears to have already been coded, but does not have a key
with it.  Therefore it will require recoding and a key for use.  $5.00,
including shipping to any address in North America.

NOS glovebox lock package, part number 9841317.  This appears to be
identical to the P/N 8786148 lock above, but is not listed in my 1975
Parts Manual.  Uncoded.  $5.00, including shipping to any address in
North America.  (have 2)

NOS glovebox lock package, part number 9882886.  This is similar to the
two lock service packages above, with a slightly different knob and is
also not listed in my 1975 Parts Manual.  Uncoded.  $5.00, including
shipping to any address in North America.  (have 2)

(8/5/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner ==========+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943            |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|        | | |   tgstoner@umich.edu   |
|         ===                         |
+=====================================+

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Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 05:36:41 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: f-body disc brakes on my 67 f-85

On the 81 Formula Disc, no they are NOT metric, the 82 and up may be,
but the 79-81 rear disc will bolt on nearly any GM rear end.  (mods are
said to be difficult for the 78-87 A/G body with the 7.5 inch gear)  It
is very related to the 76-78 Eldo-Toro (Toro supposedly had the option,
just I have never seen) rear discs.  The 77-79 B-Bodies had some, but
they are very rare, mainly Buick Electra's.  Just remove the backing
plate for the drums and bolt on the disc backing plate.  New from GM
that backing plate is around $52 (1986 dollars) each side, and then all
you need is rotors and calipers.  The rotors have a slightly larger
inside circle (that circle that clears the axle itself), so they must
have a spacer to take up the slack.  Just use the master cyl from the
Formula and the combination valve.  I have heard all those rear ends had
3.08's, but also heard 3.42's)  I would recommend an adjustable
combination valve, as the Formula one is set up for that car.  That is
what controls the front to rear brake bias.  Look for an late 70's/early
80's Hot Rod/Car Craft and there is a 5 part article covering rear
discs.  GM is covered in ª1.  The old 9.25in Olds axle also works with
rear disc from the Caddy/Toro/Firebird.  The Firebird (Camaro didn't get
it at all!) option was a bit different, as the calipers mounted on front
of axle on one side and rear on the other (same part ª I believe) to
clear the leaf spring parts.  The Eldo/Toro/B-Body was both in front or
rear.  Also, the 75-7? "K" car Seville can use the rear discs from the
Firebird.  ANY Firebird in 79-81 could option the rear disc, it was not
a rare WS6 option.  A stripper V6 could if the owner so desired.  The
later 79-8X Eldo/Toro rear discs are smaller (10 in?) and less desirable
than the 11 inch Firebird discs.

By all means do the swap!  If anyone has questions, a friend of mine has
a 1961 Pontiac Catalina with the Pontiac/Olds 9.25 in rear that has
those same Eldo rear discs.  Took a minor amount of grinding, but they
work.  He is using the Eldo rotors too.  The Eldo has the 5 X 5 bolt
pattern, the Firebird has 5 X 4.75.

One note, the Eldo calipers are a little different, they use a larger
piston, 2 3/8in vs. the Firebird 2in, so there is potential for more
power there, but if your car is light, (the F-85 should have been) then
the 2in piston is ok.  Most of your braking is from the front anyway, so
excessive rear is dangerous.  Front calipers will work fine in the back,
but have no provisions for emergency brake, after you price a new
caliper, you'll think about using the front calipers!  GM gets $250 in
1986 dollars!  Rebuilds are nearly as ridiculous.  Core charge is near
that of the actual price!

Where do you live and what parts are on the car, I have a 1980 Turbo
Trans AM that I need a few things.

Hope this helps!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM  400 powered (that ain't no Slo-Block!)
85 Cutlass Supreme 307 (soon to grow up to a 350)
91 Bonneville LE 3800  (dying for that turbo from big brother GN)

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