
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 17 1997       Volume 01 : Number 761



Re: Body Paint colors
Re: Speedo in Canada
Re: Dynamic 88 for sale
Re: Smog Adventure
Re: ADMIN: *%&$#@&!
FAQable: Racing and Air Springs (Long)
Re: Hurst package
Re: Hurst package
Re: Dynamic 88 for sale
Re: Speedo in Canada
[none]
Re: Valvetrain ticking (Re: Olds Nats Trip Report)
Re: Valvetrain ticking (Re: Olds Nats Trip Report)
several olds for sale
Re: Hurst package
Re: 69 442 info
Re: FS: 67 442 - WA state
I Need Some Music
Re: Hurst package
my fan, an anyone help? 
66 F-85
Introduction (very long)
Remove
delete from list
Oil, race Cutlass!!!!
CHROME
Re: Valvetrain ticking (Re: Olds Nats Trip Report)
remove
Re: FAQable: Racing and Air Springs (Long)
Re: FAQable: Racing and Air Springs (Long)
Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?
Re: Olds Nats Trip Report
Antique Olds
Re: Update 2: Parts Voice - Can this be true?
(no subject)
Cost for engine rebuild
Re: CHROME
quartz clock conversions 
Re: Antique Olds
Parts Lead...
Re: quartz clock conversions
(no subject)
Re: Hurst package
Re: Need a few parts...
Re: Hurst package
Re: Parts Catalog (Not Really Olds related, But is resto related)
Re: Hurst package
Re: FSM Copies needed

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:10:35 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Body Paint colors

Dawn Roode wrote:

> I know this question's probably been answered a thousand times, but what
> body colors were offered for the 68 Cutlass and or 442?  In particular,
> was black a choice?

The colors were:

Twilight Teal Irid.	Code B (Toronado Only)
Provincial White	Code C
Sapphire Blue Irid.	Code D
Nocturne Blue Irid.	Code E
Teal Frost Irid.	Code F
Willow Gold Irid.	Code G
Ocean Turquoise Irid.	Code K
Teal Blue Irid.		Code L
Cinnamon Bronze Irid.	Code M
Burgundy Irid.		Code N
Silver Green Irid.	Code P
Scarlet			Code R
Jade Code Irid.		Code S
Ivory			Code T
Juneau Gray Irid.	Code V
Silver Beige Irid.	Code W (Toronado Only)
Buckskin		Code X
Saffron			Code Y
Peruvian Silver Irid.	Code Z (Toronado Only)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 08:13:49 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo in Canada

Peter L. House wrote:
> > Try locating an 87 442 speedometer for your 85 Cutlass.  If yours has
> > the guage package, you can swap this little guy out.  It reads up to 120
> > MPH.  I used to have an 87 442, and I thought it was pretty neat.
> >
> > Mike Rothe
> >
> I you do this swap, what about the mileage differents ? Can this
> speedo be brought new from the Olds dealer. I have the `87 gauge
> pkg and I have the 0 - 85 speedo, I did not think that they had a 0
> -120mph one..

GM Performance Parts used to offer a 120mph speedo for these clusters. 
They've been out of production for a few years, and they're all long
gone.  I know, I've tried looking for one!  I have the part number at
home somewhere, I originally got the info off of this list a year or two
ago.  You might check the archives.

Tom.

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 11:43:53 -0500
From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Subject: Re: Dynamic 88 for sale

All right, I checked the car out.  Disclaimer:  I don't know much about the
non cutlass and 4-4-2 models so bear with me.  I would be willing to check
anything out though if someone wants.

ATTN DAVE WYATT: delete this message now or you will probably want to buy
the car. :-)

64 Dynamic 88 2dr HT.  white ext with pinstripping and 'Magical Moment'
painted on the 'fins' or upper rear quarters.  The car was repainted but
guy didn't know when.  Seemed liked a very nice guy but called the car a
Buick a couple times.  vin# 844C014784  Has 100834 miles, engine recently
rebuilt with not many miles since rebuild, interior is kinda a turquoise
and off white color, front and rear bench seats, auto on column, p/s, p/b,
a/c, aftermarket Jensen radio. Only thing I saw wrong with the interior was
the radio and a white shag wool style package shelf (UCK!!) converted to
true duals as I looked under the car and saw the 'crossover' pipe welded
shut.  3" chrome tips sticking out from under the rear bumper.  floors are
real good, I didn't see any rust, the paint is flaking a little bit above
the upper windshield reveal molding.  Car runs REAL nice, the guy said if I
wanted to take it for a test drive to come back some time, I got there
right before/as he closed and he just pulled the car into the garage.  the
guy said the a/c works and it drives real nice.  Not sure what size v8 is
in the car, but it was painted red.  The car HAD the fake sidepipes, a la
low rider, but they where taken off and are in the garage.

It also comes with a few boxes of parts, incuding some original, radio,
hubcaps, starter, alt, weatherstipping, tie rods, external voltage
regulator and many others.

The man said a guy traded it for a 91 Lumina (huh?, why) and he's only had
the car for a little while.  The asking price is $5995, but he said he
would take $5500

The car looks like a REAL solid driver and probably wouldn't take to much
work to make it 'restored'.

Dave, since I know you read this far, he is open until 3pm on Sat, but has
stayed open later before if we wanted to stop by.  I will probably be going
to the dragstrip so I should see you there, unless you want to look at the
car before racing.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertible
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:46:14 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Smog Adventure

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> What I don't understand is the Freon thing. I know it serves as a catalyst
> and all that, but if it, being a pretty heavy gas, is able to make its way
> to the upper atmosphere and stay there destroying Ozone, then

<snip> 

> Maybe that's why I'm not a scientist...

I'm not a scientist either, but I do know a few things about science and
about economics and here's a couple things I know about the
chlorofluorocarbon issue:

Ozone does not just "naturally" occur in the upper atmosphere, it is the
product of ultraviolet radiation striking and imparting energy into
oxygen molecules in the upper atmosphere.  Ozone is simply an oxygen
molecule composed of three oxygen atoms instead of the usual two.  The
electrical activity of the oxygen atoms is increased by the ultraviolet
radiation to the point that the three atom arrangement is possible. 
Therefore, it seems odd to me that ozone is portrayed as protecting us
from ultraviolet radiation, when it is, in fact, a byproduct of the
absorption of the radiation by oxygen molecules.

The "hole in the ozone layer"(actually not a hole, but a "thinning")
occurs over the south pole during the summer and over the north pole
during the winter.  Now, just what do these two areas have a great lack
of during those times?  Sunlight?

The patent for chlorofluorocarbon refrigerants has expired.  When the
major manufacturer of these chemicals announced they were ceasing
production, the value of their remaining inventory skyrocketed.  That
same company is spearheading the development of new alternatives, which
carry new patents and which are all more expensive than the originals.

Now, I'm not one normally to buy into conspiracy theories and maybe some
of my "facts" are half-baked, but this whole thing smells just a bit to
me.  And, if you feel that the Olds content is lacking in this post,
then let me tell you about the $700 A/C repair estimate for the '89 DRB
a garage gave my wife yesterday...

Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 10:05:07 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: *%&$#@&!

>Gang,
>
>Sorry for the problem (again!) with the bad address from uchicago.edu
>causing the endless loop. That's the second Monday morning in a row. I
>have removed the address causing the problem from both lists and written
>to the site administrator there asking him to *please* get his act
>together and reconfigure his mail system so that it works the way it
>should and not bounce stuff back to the list.
>
>With all the misconfigured mail systems I see here as admin, I can only
>guess that it's really hard to find good help these days!
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Most sys admins. (like me! ;-) have been "dubbed" because:

- - No open Req. for a new employee
- - No one else was interested
- - The soon to be Sys. Admin. was just trying to get some things to work and
inherited the job
- - ALL OF THE ABOVE
- - FILL IN THE BLANK

I fall into the ALL OF THE ABOVE category.

Most Sys. Admins. have no formal training. They usually don't even know how
to verify or investigate a problem. You end up having to tell them what the
problem is and suggest some possible fixes. The Internet has grown so fast
in the last couple years. I can only hope that it will level off soon and
that the level of compentency will start to rise. There is alot to know to
configure a site...

Most Sys. Admins. will say that it must be YOUR problem because everything
else works... <Sigh...>

OH! All I wanted to say was, you are not alone!


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:59:41 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: FAQable: Racing and Air Springs (Long)

All,

Bob Handren has always been a big proponent of the use of air springs to 
preload his suspension for drag racing.  Since I just had the occasion to 
rebuild the air suspension in Jeannie's Lincoln Log, I though some of you 
would be interested a description of the system and how it might be 
adapted to our much cooler cars.  If you are not familiar with this type 
of suspension, it uses a pressurized rubber sleeve over a piston rather 
than a coil spring.  You may have seen this type of suspension on moving 
vans or the (Toronado powered!) GMC motorhome.

This is an active system -- unlike most airshock systems where ride 
height must be manually adjusted.  It consists on a 12VDC air compressor 
& air dryer, a control module, ride height (trim) sensors, and the air 
spring assemblies.  Ride trim is maintained by three sensors: front 
right, front left, and a single rear sensor that controls both rear air 
springs.  The air spring consists of the sleeve/piston assembly and an 
electric valve mounted at the top.  When any ride sensor detects a low 
height, it turns on the compressor and opens the corresponding valve (or 
both in the case of the rear springs) until proper trim is reached.  If 
excessive height is detected, the corresponding valve(s) is actuated and 
air is released through the compressor/dryer assembly.  Additional points 
are monitored by the control module, such as "brake applied" or "door 
open", to prevent inappropriate adjustments.

In replacing the two leaking rear air springs, it dawned on me how easy 
this would be to adapt to Bob's application.  The air springs themselves 
have two mounting points.  The top of the spring has a rotating collar 
that fits into a bayonet-type mount welded to the frame.  The lower 
attachment is a large flange running across the diameter of the piston 
with two bolt-holes for bolting to the trailing suspension arm.  

To adapt it to an Olds, you'd only have to cut the bayonet bracket from 
the Lincoln's frame and fabricate a suitable flange for rear spring/axle 
point mounting.  The compressor/dryer assembly (mounted under the hood on 
the right front fender well) and the control module (mounted in the 
trunk) are small enough to mount anywhere in the Olds.  

The appeal of this system is that it is ACTIVE not passive.  By reversing 
the functions of the control module to use the separate front sensors/air 
springs on the REAR of the Olds, you can adjust the loading of the right 
and left side as necessary.  By substituting potentiometers for the ride 
height sensors (nothing more than slide pots anyway) and mounting them up 
front -- in the office -- you could "dial in" your suspension at anytime. 

Need to make an adjustment as the track warms up?  Just turn the dial.  
By using two sets of pots and a switch, you could adjust one set for 
street use and the other for strip.  Just flip the switch and the car 
takes on a new "set".

Cool, eh?

The system discussed was in a 1985 Lincoln Continental (4 door).  I do 
not know how many other years or Lincoln models used this suspension.  
Not all models of the same year had this suspension.  New air springs, 
manufactured by Firestone, come complete with the electric valve.  Price 
at the F*rd dealer is about $400 each but are available for $120 from 
Bagmaster (800-589-3409), 8616 Pedernales Trail, Ft. Worth, Texas 76118. 
They also carry compressors, hoses, gaskets, and control modules.
 
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 13:11:30 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

Dear Sirs,
 I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory installed Hurst
4-speed transmission. I would like to find out:1.was this a pre-version of 
the Hurst Olds packages that would appear a few years later? and 2.how many 
442's were made like mine? or 3.was my car simply ordered like this by the 
dealer and the only shifter offered at the time on 442's was the Hurst? 
Thank you very much for any information.
Fred Kemp
     
     The Hurst shifter was standard on all 4-spd 442s that year.  Sorry.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:28:08 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

Charles F. Kemp wrote:
> 
> Dear Sirs,

Charles, don't forget their are some Oldsmobilin' ladies here too!  And
don't be so formal.  We're not!

>  I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory installed Hurst
> 4-speed transmission. I would like to find out:1.was this a pre-version of
> the Hurst Olds packages that would appear a few years later? and 2.how many
> 442's were made like mine? or 3.was my car simply ordered like this by the
> dealer and the only shifter offered at the time on 442's was the Hurst?

Unless you have the "Hurst Hairy Olds", the drag car with (2) 425
Toronado engines, than no.  The "few years later" was 1968 for the first
official H/O.  Do you mean a Hurst SHIFTER vice Transmission?  If so,
you should see a 442 stamped down the side, with a  Hurst "H" stamped
below near the bottom (may have to push rubber boot down to see it.). 
The shifter came in 67 442's from the factory.  I'm not sure if 66's had
them.  But Hurst was a long time supplier of the shifters.  As far as
production figures, I'm not sure (hep me out here 67 gurus), but there
were a lot of 4-speeds.  Unless yours is the W-30 variety.  Then it gets
interesting.....You are safe to assume that concern #3 was answered by
yourself.  Yes, it was available on all 442 4-speeds in 67.

Hope this clouds, er, clears things up a little.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 12:48:46 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Dynamic 88 for sale

Chris, 
Thanks for checking this out for me/us.  I read your whole message and I
realy do want it, but due to the lack of funds I will have to pass.
(No honey, I think you and the kids can do without food and shelter, but
I can't do without that Olds.)
It does sound like a nice car however.  If I win the Lottery this week
end....................(Visions of a stable of Oldsmobiles in a museum
like garage)

And by the way Chris, due to the Jr. Dragster parts I needed not
arriving till last Monday, we will take the Jr. to Coles County and race
it Saturday.  The wife has suggested that I wait to race the Olds after
I return from Lansing.  I guess she has no faith in the Olds being
indestructible, or maybe she remembers the times I have broken it. 
There is no Jr. racing in Sept. at Terre Haute, so look out Olds!

Is there a strip near Lansing and will Chris' M*stang tow a 4-4-2 if
needed?????

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 13:19:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo in Canada

> > Do the Canadian cars come with US Federal emissions like Catalytic
> > converter, EGR, etc?
> 
> Used to be (in the early days of emissions controls) that they weren't 
> necessarily the same. You'd see stickers on new cars that said "For 

For example, Olds 307 engines in Canada did not receive Computer Command
Control until 1986!  However, we have had catalytic converters from 1975
etc., so for the most part, Canadian vehicles have been Federal emissions
compliant.  I think the government is planning on introducing California
style emissions regulations.

> Export Only" or some such thing. In recent years our laws have moved 
> closer to those of the US, so I think most are identical now. The other 
> thing about cars sold here since '89 or '90 is that they are required to 
> have daytime running lights. So the laws are close, but not identical.

Any car manufactured after November 1989 must be equipped with DRL's in
Canada.  This means that if you are importing a car from the States, you
must retrofit this feature prior to having your vehicle inspected and
licensed.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 14:06:55 -0500
From: jpmiller@hdvision.com (Mike Adrian & Pat Miller)
Subject: [none]

Please distribute E-mail address so I may receive info on restoring my 100%
original '69 442 with the
best results for the least $.(isn't that the way it's supposed to happen?)
Beginning to do research now.
Thanks-Pat Miller

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:03:34 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Valvetrain ticking (Re: Olds Nats Trip Report)

Your comments got me to thinking more about this.....to be more accurate, there
is a slight tick at idle and definitely comes from the passenger side
RAC.  That tick has been made much less noticeable with the oil change to
Valvoline 10W-30 and 2 engine flushes, but still it is there.  I'm thinking
that a very hot engine at 2500+RPM under load for some reason exacerbates
the ticking.  Since the ticking appears to be more pronounced at the
higher RPM I'm leaning more towards a lifter problem.  I really don't think
its an exhaust leak--the sound is just too sharp and distinct, its very
clearly a ticking.  I vaguely remember reading in the shop manual about
diagnostic routines for lifters, I'll consult tonight.

As to the pinging--I'm a little embarrassed on that one.  Before setting out
on my road trip I did one last check of my dwell setting and was shocked
to discover it at 36 deg, much higher than my preferred setting of 30 deg.
Of course I adjusted it down to 30 and did not think it necessary to
recheck the TIMING. Then, within the last two days on this list someone
mentioned that changing dwell significantly changes timing.  So, I haven't
checked it yet, but I may have accidently advanced the timing.  I was running
on the edge at 11 deg initial advanced anyway.  I think the distributor has
special springs/weights that bring the mechanical advance in faster than
stock.  The pinging is repeatable at 2100-2300RPM.

I am interested in the Crane vacuum advance kit, heck, for $25 bucks its
worth it to buy it and play with it for education's sake, not to mention
its problem solving merits.


Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:28:10 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Valvetrain ticking (Re: Olds Nats Trip Report)

At 03:03 PM 7/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Your comments got me to thinking more about this.....to be more accurate, there
>is a slight tick at idle and definitely comes from the passenger side
>RAC.  That tick has been made much less noticeable with the oil change to

Ah, ok, so the exhaust leak idea goes out the window...

>Valvoline 10W-30 and 2 engine flushes, but still it is there.  I'm thinking
>that a very hot engine at 2500+RPM under load for some reason exacerbates
>the ticking.  Since the ticking appears to be more pronounced at the
>higher RPM I'm leaning more towards a lifter problem.  I really don't think

Hmmm, did you recently have a valve job, or have you not had a valve job in
a while? It might be that your rockers or valvestems (or valve guides) are
worn to the point where the lash in the hydraulic lifter is exhausted, and
you've got extra clearance in the valvetrain. This could be as simple as
replacing your rocker arms/pedestals, or as complicated as a valve job. If
you just *had* a valve job, perhaps the valvestem height has changed due to
the seat being ground, and your clearances have deviated from the factory
recommended ones? 

>I am interested in the Crane vacuum advance kit, heck, for $25 bucks its
>worth it to buy it and play with it for education's sake, not to mention
>its problem solving merits.

I'm at work right now, but I think I kept a copy of that post on my home
computer. I'll check if I did and send you the information.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: 17 Jul 97 15:56:45 EDT
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@CompuServe.COM>
Subject: several olds for sale

These cars have been advertised in my local paper for over a month now and have
not sold yet.  I thought some one might be interested in them. They are not the
usual models most people look for, ie. Cutlass and 422.  These ads are all from
northern New Jersey in the 201 area code.

1983 Hurst Olds $3200/BO 652-4099  (just reduced from $3500)

1955 Holiday 4dr, hardtop, exc cond in/out, running, $4200 385-0105

1959 Dynamic 88 4dr sedan, 67Kmi, blk/wht, new paint chrome seat covers and
tires, $5900/bo 262-6565

1965 Jet Star, 23Kmi, all orig, mint, $6000/negot 998-9310

I do not endorse any of these cars.  I'm just letting the list know about them.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst package

I don't have production for 4-speed cars but, here are some 67 production
numbers
sport coupes    4751   (129 w-30's)
holiday coupes 16998 (373 w-30's)
convertibles      3080   (?    w-30's)

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:57:12 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 69 442 info

Mike Adrian & Pat Miller wrote:
> 
> Please distribute E-mail address so I may receive info on restoring my 100%
> original '69 442 with the
> best results for the least $.(isn't that the way it's supposed to happen?)
> Beginning to do research now.
> Thanks-Pat Miller

Your e-mail address is spammed all over the place now, Pat.  100 %
original?  My 85 isn't even 100% original.  Must be some kind of oil and
filter you're running, let alone the windshield washer fluid....heh
heh.....

Seriously, go ahead, ask your question.  You can check the FAQ at
Bryceman's web page, www.442.com, if you haven't already.  It's a good
place to start.  As a tribute to all the fine people on this list,
collectively, if the people on this list can't answer your question,
then you probably don't have an Oldsmobile.  Good thing it wasn't a
Hurst, or you would get stuck trying to get paint for the Fire Frost
stripes.  I know.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:36:36 +0000
From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Subject: Re: FS: 67 442 - WA state

> > My wife's step-brother is getting ready to sell
> > his 67 442.
> Does the car run well? would it make it over to spokane? I an 
> stationed in Arizona, but will be going home on leave in a couple of 
> months. I own a '62 Olds F-85 and a '68 Olds 442. I would be 
> interested in purchasing your 64 442 possibly... Please e-mail me 
> with more information. I may even have my dad go and get it (before I 
> get back to the states,) if the buy is worth it. 
> 
> Ben
> '62 olds F-85
> '68 Olds 442
> (Persian Gulf)
>  
Sorry, meant '67 not '64... 

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:27:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlassHoteI@aol.com
Subject: I Need Some Music

Does anyone know where I can find a 1970 Oldsmobile AM/FM radio, with or
without the stereo converter?  I have only the AM, and I am getting tired of
listening to talk radio and Paul Harvey.  I also want to preserve the
original appearance of my car.  Any help can be mailed to glasshotei@aol.com
or posted to this list.  But as I have had problems with getting mail from
this list in my mailbox, a direct mailing would be preferred.

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:41:34 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

At 09:10 AM 7/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Dear Sirs,
> I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory installed Hurst
>4-speed transmission. I would like to find out:1.was this a pre-version of
>the Hurst Olds packages that would appear a few years later? and 2.how many
>442's were made like mine? or 3.was my car simply ordered like this by the 
>dealer and the only shifter offered at the time on 442's was the Hurst?
>Thank you very much for any information.
>Fred Kemp
>
Fred

        The only shifter offered in 4 spd 67 442 was a Hurst shifter. My 67
W-30 has one also.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:44:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tornado697@aol.com
Subject: my fan, an anyone help? 

the radiator does move a ittle bit (stress little) but i think that is
common, i am thinking of getting a new fan anyone know where i can get one?
1983 olds toronado v8 307 4 barrel  thankx all

tornado697@aol.com
george

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:15:55 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 66 F-85

Just a point of interest to anyone interested
In a local advertiser there was an ad for a 1966 F-85 the ad reads as
follows

1966 Olds, F85, Texas car, Never winter driven over $12,000 invested in
1985 resto Asking $2,700 obo  

I never called about the car and the paper came out today so it should be
waiting for the right person to but her

the number is 416-759-8772 In Toronto

I no nothing about this car just thought it might be of interest

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com 

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:46:02 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Introduction (very long)

On Monday, July 14th, Dr. Robert Barry wrote:

. . . Yes, one thing that used to be a tradition, whenever you signed up,
was to post an introductory greeting message, where you tell us who you are
and what Olds-related interests you have, and what cars you might currently
have. I know there's a lot of people subscribed to the list who we hear
nothing from.

*********************
Well, y'all have certainly heard alot more than nothing from me but I don't
recall ever posting any sort of introductory message so I'll do so now.

I first became interested in Oldsmobiles because the father of one of my
best friends in high school bought a bright red new Starfire coupe in 1965.
Since my family was then riding around in a bright red new Checker
Marathon, I was understandably interested in any cars which showed any
performance potential.  And that Starfire was the best performance car
there was in our middle-class neighborhood.

Jumping forward approximately three years, I've graduated from high school,
flunked out of Michigan Technological University, and gone to work for
Michigan Bell Telephone.  And I'm driving mom's Checker back and forth to
work and on the weekends.  Now I'll admit that the huge back seat in the
Checker did have some potential during dates at the drive-in and would even
beat the PowerGlide equipped Chevies that were also 283 V-8 powered and
would race me on Telegraph Road, but I needed something to improve my image
on the road.

Working for $2.00 per hour certainly ruled out buying a new '68 Hurst/Olds
like the one guy at work had, but I was able to swing the deal to buy a
slightly used (1,600 miles!) '68 442 coupe from Charnock Olds in Dearborn
for $3,000.  I had both a great ride and a payment book which was three
years thick.

Four years and about 75,000 miles later, I was ready for another car.  The
'73s were just out and I found someone who was looking to sell his 9,000
mile '72 W-30 coupe.  Again the price was $3,000 and once again I had
myself a 36 month payment book.

By 1975, the price to fill the gasoline tank on a 442 had jumped from about
$7.00 to more than $20.00, and 10 to 12 miles per gallon wasn't looking
like the smartest way to go, so I bought my first new car.  Oldsmobile had
a new Starfire, which promised to be a sporty and economical ride, so I bit
the hook.  I'd been married for a couple of years at that point, so the
W-30 moved to the other side of the drive and my wife coped with getting 8
miles per gallon on her four mile drive to work.  1975 was also when I
found out about and joined the Oldsmobile Club of America.

In 1976 we sold the W-30 and replaced it with another new Oldsmobile  -
this one a Cutlass Supreme Brougham.  Although that was my wife's car, I
really liked it better than the Starfire (which was starting to
self-destruct at one and a half years anyway), so by 1977 I was also
looking for a Cutlass.  The answer was a 20,000 mile '76 Salon, purchased
used from a private party.

The '76 Supreme Brougham was one of those legendary cars which performed
just flawlessly, although being powered by a 260 V-8 it didn't have
performance to speak of.  We were able to drive back to Ann Arbor from
Chicago on only half a tank of fuel though once, with a very strong
tailwind.  It was finally replaced in 1983 by a Ford.  (Her brother is a
middle manager with Ford, and their A-Plan pricing is hard to pass up.)

In 1980, my '76 Salon was replaced with a '79 El Camino, which was replaced
in 1982 with a '79 Buick Century Turbo Coupe.  Meanwhile in 1981 we had
decided to purchase a third car to be our "toy" and picked up a 21,000 mile
'79 Hurst/Olds.  That car has always been an "extra" in our household and
is rarely driven.  It currently has a little more than 35,000 miles on it,
and is for sale (if anyone has an extra $7,500 or so that they'd like to
swap for it).

Late in 1983 and after my wife had switched to a Ford, I came back to
Oldsmobile by swapping the Turbo Coupe for a '79 Toronado diesel.  Now,
that really wasn't as bad a ride as you might imagine and I only got rid of
it in 1986 because I got the 4 wheel drive bug and bought myself a new
Bronco II.  We were down to just the H/O representing Oldsmobile in the
garage.

By the time I bought the Bronco my wife was driving an '85 Pontiac 6000
STE, which in 1988 was replaced by an '87 Toronado Trofeo that was
purchased from the lot back at Charnock Oldsmobile.  On the same day, I
traded the Bronco for an '87 Buick LeSabre T-Type at Ann Arbor Buick.  In
1991 the Trofeo had over 100,000 miles due to her sales job and she
replaced it with a leased 98 Regency from John Lee Oldsmobile, here in Ann
Arbor.

I've since replaced the LeSabre with a series ('92, '94, '96) of leased
Ford Rangers and because General Motor's lease prices can not compete with
those from Ford, the 98 has been replaced with first a '94 and now a '96
Taurus.  Therefore, since 1994 the '79 Hurst/Olds has again been the sole
Oldsmobile in our household.  If I count correctly, we've had nine
Oldsmobiles through the years and most of them have been pretty interesting
automobiles.  Although our daily drivers don't reflect the interest, I am
still very much interested in Oldsmobile's products of the past 100 years.

Since I'm somewhat of a packrat, I've also gathered a garage loft of
assorted Oldsmobile parts, and a bookcase full of Oldsmobile literature and
reference materials over these same years.  Those items are slowly being
disposed of now.

I hope that you've found this lenghty history of interest.

Tom Stoner
Ann Arbor, MI
1979 Hurst/Olds (36,000 miles, and it's for sale!)
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 16:52:02 -0700
From: Warlock <warlock@comic.net>
Subject: delete from list

i enjoyed the mail but its jaming me up because of the quanity.
please remove me from the list.
thanks
john

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:59:26 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Oil, race Cutlass!!!!

Jon wrote:
> 
> It's best to just stick with 100% synthetic oil.  It might be more
> expensive initially, but considering that you only have to change it about
> every 20,000 Km it ends up acutually being cheaper than conventional oil,
> and protects your engine much better than conventional oil.  The first
> winter of driving my Cutlass, I ran conventional and the car started really

I have a tip for all of you. Buy Amsoil 2000. A friend of mine and his
kid did a science project about motor oils at his shop, complete with a
dyno. They ran every test they could think of (did I mention this guy
builds race engines for a living). I saw the results Tuesday. Amsoil and
Amsoil 2000 clearly beat every other "name brand" oil on the market.
That's why I use it.

BTW- speaking of Mr. Buchman and his engine shop, I'm going to park the
Cutlass this winter, pull out the 350, put it on a motor stand,
completely tear it apart and clean it in his shop, then put it back
togethor with the parts I want!!!! This will truly be an excellent
experience. I will learn SO MUCH! He will be watching over my shoulder,
telling me exactly what to do. Forget everything I've said about my car
having balls by the time Lansing rolls around. It'll just have a good
paint job and nice exhaust.

Any suggestions as to what I should put in her besides these:

Comp Cam
Manley Valves
Roller Rockers
Forged Pistons
Ported/polished Heads
Heddman Hedders
Edelbrock RPM manifold (maybe)
750cfm Q-jet (maybe)

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:08:17 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Subject: CHROME

Hi to all !! As the weather in my part of the country turns hotter everday,
i find myself looking for parts and cars. I have located a very nice 66
cutlass, appears rust free, and is mostly original. I am working on buying
the car, hopefully in the next week,or so. I am also building up a stock of
Olds, and other GM car bumpers. On hand at this time,replated, and looking
very nice is a set of 1971 cutlass bumpers. Soon to be plated is a set of
1970 cutlass bumpers. Coming soon, a set of 1967 F-85 front and rear, rear
1967 Delta 88. If prices vary, it is because, some bumpers cost me a little
more to buy, since i use different sources. Usually the price is $180.00 to
$210.00 with  exchange. Add $30.00 for no exchange. The core exchange is
good, since it keeps me in stock, and i can continue to keep the prices as
low as i can. All plating is now triple plating, since i have started to
use a shop, that dealt with strictly manufacturing parts, for use on this
side of the border. Pot metal repair is more accessible now, and the work
on potmetal is very, very good. Prices vary on potmetal, but are very
reasonable, especially if i can take in a fairly large amount of parts, at
one time. Turnaround time, is now guaranteed two weeks, since time of
delivery to shop, (usually on wednesdays) includes pot metal turnaround
time. For a few months, i was backlogged because of too much volume, and
the lack of good help. I seem to have found a more responsible shop, that
although i might pay a little more for the quality, and time span involved,
it is still a good savings of at least 45% 
compared to other shops. Hope this post was informative for all interested,
and i will continue to provide good service, with a full guarantee for all.
 sincerely   Mike Aldana     maldana@quix.net

Mike Aldana
417 Encinas Ave.
Calexico Ca. 92231

760-357-0713

Other bumper cores available at this time are non Olds, and consist of
1966 Lemans rear
1969 GTO rear
1960 impala rear and front 3-piece
1965 comet front and rear
1965 chevelle rear
1968 impala rear 2 piece
1969 buick front and rear

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:14:08 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Valvetrain ticking (Re: Olds Nats Trip Report)

Resending this since it didn't make it through.....


Your comments got me to thinking more about this.....to be more accurate, there
is a slight tick at idle and definitely comes from the passenger side
RAC.  That tick has been made much less noticeable with the oil change to
Valvoline 10W-30 and 2 engine flushes, but still it is there.  I'm thinking
that a very hot engine at 2500+RPM under load for some reason exacerbates
the ticking.  Since the ticking appears to be more pronounced at the
higher RPM I'm leaning more towards a lifter problem.  I really don't think
its an exhaust leak--the sound is just too sharp and distinct, its very
clearly a ticking.  I vaguely remember reading in the shop manual about
diagnostic routines for lifters, I'll consult tonight.

As to the pinging--I'm a little embarrassed on that one.  Before setting out
on my road trip I did one last check of my dwell setting and was shocked
to discover it at 36 deg, much higher than my preferred setting of 30 deg.
Of course I adjusted it down to 30 and did not think it necessary to
recheck the TIMING. Then, within the last two days on this list someone
mentioned that changing dwell significantly changes timing.  So, I haven't
checked it yet, but I may have accidently advanced the timing.  I was running
on the edge at 11 deg initial advanced anyway.  I think the distributor has
special springs/weights that bring the mechanical advance in faster than
stock.  The pinging is repeatable at 2100-2300RPM.

I am interested in the Crane vacuum advance kit, heck, for $25 bucks its
worth it to buy it and play with it for education's sake, not to mention
its problem solving merits.


Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:14:07 -0700
From: Warlock <warlock@comic.net>
Subject: remove



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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 15:40:53 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: FAQable: Racing and Air Springs (Long)

> To adapt it to an Olds, you'd only have to cut the bayonet bracket

It might even be easier than that.  Load leveling suspension was an
option on the G-body Cutlass.  It's mentioned in the owners manual of
both my '79 and '84, although neither had it and I've never seen one
with it either (then again, I don't normally look at the shocks of every
car I see).  I'm sure the larger, more luxurious models ('88/'98) had it
too.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@teknon.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:00:17 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: FAQable: Racing and Air Springs (Long)

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> It might even be easier than that.  Load leveling suspension was an
> option on the G-body Cutlass.  It's mentioned in the owners manual of
> both my '79 and '84, although neither had it and I've never seen one
> with it either (then again, I don't normally look at the shocks of 
> every car I see).  I'm sure the larger, more luxurious models ('88/'98) 
> had it too.

Maybe.  If there's another make out there with air suspension, cool.  I 
know some of those Ponti-somethings had load leveling air-shocks but this 
is the only car I've run across with air springs.  (BTW, the Lincoln has 
standard shocks.)  

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:31:33 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-07-16 23:13:43 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Just out of curiosity: Are you unable to type in lower case ie: using a
>  keyboard that is unable to type in lowercase?  If not, what then is your
>  problem?
>   >>
> I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING THE FIRST ONE TO OBSERVE THIS AND NOT JUST
> ASSUMING THAT IM BEING RUDE LIKE SO MANY HAVE DONE...HOPE TO HAVE ANOTHER
> KEYBOARD SOON..

In the olds chat room you were able to type in lower case when asked
to... what gives?

Ken

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 19:36:03 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Nats Trip Report

Todd Morris wrote:
> 
> >Is your 71 a tired green w/ w-30 emblems on the fenders?
> 
> Yes, as a matter of fact, "tired" would be a good way to characterize the
> paint status.  Since owning the car I've concentrated on making it mechanically
> top notch, the exterior will get its needed attention probably next year.
> 
> Todd Morris
> 71 442

  Cool.. I was the guy in the 1991 Che*y Pickup parked next to you.  I
asked "Is that a real W-30?".. You said "nope.".. Then you forced your
kids into the 100+ degree black interior ;) heh

Ken

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:24:20 +0100
From: raneuma@ibm.net
Subject: Antique Olds

Does anyone know the approximate value of a 1929 Oldsmobile f-29 2Dr 
Sedan in show shape, but driven occasionally?

I am buying one and may be paying too much.

Thanks,
Bob Neumann
raneuma@ibm.net

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:31:20 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Update 2: Parts Voice - Can this be true?

Matthew Mayer wrote:

> Got a message on the machine from Kurt at Chicago Auto.  They DO have
> the parts.  Fender is $450 and the skirt is $75.  He states "These are
> NEW parts", so maybe the lady who answered the phone this afternoon
> misread something.
> 
> Hope this helps....

Matt

Thanks for the research.  $450 sounds about twice a much as one of these
should be worth.  Fusick has had one for a Delta Custom for at least the
last two years and he only wants something like $225 for his.  It's not
like these are Cutlass fenders or anything.  I believe there would be
that much of a demand to warrant that kind of price, but I guess if you
need one bad enough you're willing to pay for it.  Haven't reached to
point of needing one that badly yet.  'Course, this is the ONLY one I've
found in two years of searching, so...

As for the skirt, that sounds a little more reasonable, but it's still a
little high.  Bought one for the the other side in '94 privately and
paid $25 I think.  Fusick had one for this side for $35 but it's been
long sold.  I'll have to give that one some serious thought.

Thanks again for the information.  I appreciate the money you've saved
me on long distance calls.  Let me know if I can do anything to help
you.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:34:27 -0700
From: "Craig J. Smith" <cjs@semplecpa.com>
Subject: (no subject)

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 17:53:30 -0700
From: "Craig J. Smith" <cjs@semplecpa.com>
Subject: Cost for engine rebuild

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I am considering having the engine on my 68 442 rebuilt in the Phoenix
area and have been getting estimates from various engine builders. I am
looking for a "basic" rebuild with hardened valve seats added and no
significant performance modifications.  I have recieved estimates from
$1,200 to $4,500.  What is a fair price for a rebuild and does anyone
have any recommondations in the Phoenix area ?

Thanks for any help

Craig Smith

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:04:59 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: Re: CHROME

Mike:

Nice to see that you can do pot metal now.  that solves the rest of my
chrome problems.  I am still planning on sending all the rest of my
stainless, grill, etc to you, but drive train and other details are taking
priority for cash right now.  I will keep in touch and let you know before I
send anything.  I might also drive down in October or November.

Take care!!


>
>
>
>
>
>
Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 18:08:39 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: quartz clock conversions 

I am looking for someone to convert my '49 Olds clock to quartz.  The only
source I have is the Clock Doc in Tennessee.   Does anyone have other
sources with 800 #'s?

Thanks

Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:27:51 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Antique Olds

raneuma@ibm.net wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know the approximate value of a 1929 Oldsmobile f-29 2Dr
> Sedan in show shape, but driven occasionally?
> 
> I am buying one and may be paying too much.
> 
> Thanks,
> Bob Neumann
> raneuma@ibm.net

Bob,

I do't know what the value is.  I have a suggestion though.  Look in the
"Old Cars Price Guide" at the library or glance at it on the magazine
rack.  They have prices on everything according to condition.

Be aware that most of us over rate our own cars and under rate others
cars.  If we are buying we often see only what we want to see.  If it
looks fantastic - it may be a #2 car.  If it is like new w/a little wear
- - it is probably a #3 car.  If it needs some help - it is probably a #4
car.  #1 cars rarely exist & are much better than new.

Also be aware that "Old Cars Price Guide" seems to over value the cars. 
Give the car an honest appraisal for condition (have a highly critical
friend help so that you won't fall in love w/the car) & then deduct 10 -
20% of the price in the "Guide".

Those are neat cars.  Look out for wood rot in the body & the spoked
wooden wheels.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 21:35:11 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Parts Lead...

I regularly attend a cruise/car show here in Ortonville every Thursday 
night. I met a fella there who says he has TWO N.O.S. Rear Quarters for 
70'-72' Cutlass/442. These are Convertible style quarters. 

Anyone who has an interest please contact:

Ross Reinhardt
(810) 713-4341

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:35:53 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: quartz clock conversions

william goodnight wrote:
> 
> I am looking for someone to convert my '49 Olds clock to quartz.  The only
> source I have is the Clock Doc in Tennessee.   Does anyone have other
> sources with 800 #'s?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bill Goodnight


Bill,

The Clock Doc has an excellent reputation.  Here is a guy who supposedly
repairs clocks & has do-it yourself kits.  I will be trying the do-it
yourself kit this winter on a couple of cars.

	Instrument services, Inc.
        11765 Main Street
        Roscoe, IL 61073
	PH 1-800-558-2674 (M-F 8-4:30)

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:52:24 -0400
From: Ray Woodward <raywood@ibm.net>
Subject: (no subject)

Re: engines.  I have put a 324 Olds rocket engine in a 56 Chevy.
The combination of motor, supercharger and transmission in the package I
will describe was one which Olds had made very few of.  I would like to
find out as much as possible about this package (how many made etc.).
The motor # is 568922
Supercharger - Latham model #21A
               Serial #001136
Transmission - 1956 4 speed hydromatic

  Any information anyone can provide would be greatly appreciated.

                       Ray Woodward - raywood@ibm.net

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:39:57 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

At 01:11 PM 7/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Dear Sirs,
> I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory installed Hurst
>4-speed transmission. I would like to find out:1.was this a pre-version of 
>the Hurst Olds packages that would appear a few years later? and 2.how many 
>442's were made like mine? or 3.was my car simply ordered like this by the 
>dealer and the only shifter offered at the time on 442's was the Hurst? 
>Thank you very much for any information.
>Fred Kemp
>     
>     The Hurst shifter was standard on all 4-spd 442s that year.  Sorry.
>     
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>     
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>
>Hey Joe,
  Thanks alot for the info. What an awesome collection of muscle cars you have!
Fred Kemp

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 97 21:46:46 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Need a few parts...

>Back up Lamp assembly, RH side, mine is shot...
>
>RH Turn signal lamp assembly, RH side, again, mine is shot...

Ooops, sorry for the confusion...

This is for my 72' Cutlass S. RH Turn signal lanp assembly is for the 
front bumper.

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:43:18 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

At 03:57 PM 7/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't have production for 4-speed cars but, here are some 67 production
>numbers
>sport coupes    4751   (129 w-30's)
>holiday coupes 16998 (373 w-30's)
>convertibles      3080   (?    w-30's)
Hey WKBZZZZ,
 Thank You for the info on my '67.
Fred Kemp

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:44:14 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Parts Catalog (Not Really Olds related, But is resto related)

Rob T wrote:
> 
> Wonderous things happened today. I received a catalog in the mail from
> Sears. It has a LOT of stuff us resto people are looking for.
> 
> Rob Turner
>

Rob,

Thank you so much for the tip.  I own many Craftsman tools & I have
enjoyed the quality for the price for years.  I plan on passing this on
to my car club at the next meeting.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 20:46:16 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

At 04:41 PM 7/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:10 AM 7/17/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Dear Sirs,
>> I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory installed Hurst
>>4-speed transmission. I would like to find out:1.was this a pre-version of
>>the Hurst Olds packages that would appear a few years later? and 2.how many
>>442's were made like mine? or 3.was my car simply ordered like this by the 
>>dealer and the only shifter offered at the time on 442's was the Hurst?
>>Thank you very much for any information.
>>Fred Kemp
>>
>Fred
>
>        The only shifter offered in 4 spd 67 442 was a Hurst shifter. My 67
>W-30 has one also.
>
>Jim Chermack
>
Hey Jim,
 Thanks alot for the information.I wished my 442 was a W-30 also,but don't 
worry, I'll keep it original.
Fred Kemp

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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 21:50:13 -0400
From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Re: FSM Copies needed

Pete,
I have a manual for the 1950 and I expect they are the same.  I will be
away for a few days but write me next week if you still need it.
Bill
lewman@mindpulse.com

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> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: FSM Copies needed
> Date: Wednesday, July 16, 1997 2:49 PM
> 
> 
>      Does anyone out there in Olds land have an FSM for a '51 98?  I need

>      copies of the transmission removal section.  I'm having a tranny 
>      removed at a 'yard by a friend who is not familiar with this old
car.  
>      Can anyone send or fax me those few pages?  Thanks in advance!
>      
>      - Pete Teubel
>      '51 98
>      '82 98
>      '86 Ciera

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