
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 31 1997       Volume 01 : Number 779



Re: 70 442 convertible 4-speed
Re: Jokes?
Re: 68 442 RH Fender
Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Re: Oldsmobile Day Drag's in R.I
Re: Oldsmobile Day
Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)
Re: Where's my Olds...
Door Edge Guards For Sale (7/31)
1981 Olds 
Additives...
Re: Smoky Mountain Olds Show
Re: My current happenings.... (was: Union, IL car show & list meet)
Re: BUILDING 455
Mile Roth w-30 ID
Re: 68 442 Taillamp Bezels
RE: Additives...
Re: Smoky Mountain Olds Show
Re: Jokes? 
Re: BUILDING 455
FS: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)
Re: 1981 Olds 
What time is the Digest sent?
Re: 68 442 RH Fender
Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)
Pictures of my 62 "STARFIRE"
Re: Pictures of my 62 "STARFIRE"
Fall Carlisle 
Re: Fall Carlisle
Oop's Sorry here are just pictures
Reverse Lens (wanted)
I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
FW: RS liquidation?
FW: Fall Carlisle 
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
Re: Latest JWO
Re: BUILDING 455
Road Blocks
Re: Re: Road Blox
Congratulations in order
Chicken Band
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
Re: Congratulations in order
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Re: Latest JWO
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
Re: Fall Carlisle
RE: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: 68 442 RH Fender
Re: 68 442 RH Fender
More roadblox

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:40:30 -0700
From: "Gary S. Rae" <gsrae@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 convertible 4-speed

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> Production figures for 70 442 convertible 4 speed was 529. I have one with
> 36,000 original miles.
> 
> Art Fuller
> mefco@sprynet.com
> 
> p.s. This past weekend when I went to my buddy's shop to work on my frame off,
> he had a red car like the one described above, with factory air. I have no idea
> how many of those were made.

Art,
approx 165 1970 442 4 speed w/ factory air.
Gary Rae
'70 442 conv 4 speed w/ air

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Date: Wed, 30 Jul 1997 23:56:22 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Jokes?

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Why does a chicken coup have two doors?
> 
> Because if it had 4 doors it'd be a chicken SEDAN.
> 
> Ha ha ha ha ha.

Quick, maw, fetch me the shotgun, he's back agin....

JR

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:21:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: DavidB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 RH Fender

Steve,
 I'm also looking for a rigt fender for a '68 442! So if Dan doesn't buy it
let me know.

David
1968 442 Holiday coupe
1968 442 convertible

P.S. What part of the country are you in... I'm in Northern Ca.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 00:34:48 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

Rick Anderson wrote:
> 
> dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> >
> > Rick Anderson wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know of a good source for a drivers side rear qtr panel for
> > > a 65 Olds Jetstar I that is reasonably priced  $650/pr at Fusick's
> >
> > Fusick has 65 Jetstar quarter panels???  Geez, I'd better go back and
> > take a second look at them.
> > --
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> >       Dan Hamlett
> >       1966 Cutlass Convertible
> >       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
> >       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
> >       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> > -----------------------------------------
> according to the catalog I got from fusick's  they have 1 pr of orig.
> full size 2dr olds rear qtr panels at $650/pr   I'm on a budget and
> building a driver, I don't care if they are real or not or if they came
> off a car as long as they haven't been in an accident and are already
> covered in Bondo (done quite poorly i might as well add) and are lacking
> a rust hole as the current one is.   I also don't need a pair  just the
> driver's side.

Then my suggestion to you would be to pick up a Hemmings, or an Old car
trader or call some of the salvage yards in AZ.  I know somone already
tried to make this point to you but I'll attempt it again.  Someone
selling rust free fenders for a car that old and scarce dont really care
WHAT your putting them on or if your going to use them as a boat
anchor.  There is a market for these panels and $650 a pair is a STEAL
for used ones let alone NOS panels.  I WISH I could find a pair of used
rust free panels for my 66 for 650 a pair, I'd be all over them.  I
realize you have a budget however most people dont choose a 32 year old
car as a "driver" I'll think you'll find that 90% of the people who own
a car just like yours a quite a bit older, making more money and their
cars never see a rainy day..these are the people that drive the market
way up.  Good luck finding a bargain, but If I were you and looked at
the car as just a driver and couldn't care less about the qp's as long
as no rust was showing, I'd invest in some sandpaper and a bucket of
bondo. thats as cheap as it gets.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 01:34:19 -0400
From: jprand@juno.com (James P Rand)
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Day Drag's in R.I

Yeah, I'll try to make it, but I work at Foxwoods Casino, so it's just a
zoo in there this time of year, but if I'm lucky, I'll get the day off to
go. I'd really like to see that track in RI. It would be closer for me
and it would just be a great place to hang out. I'll keep my ear to the
ground.

Jim Rand
'86 Olds Cutlass Supreme 307cid

On Wed, 30 Jul 1997 09:26:47 +0000 "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com> writes:
>The last that I heard they were still partioning to get a track in 
>R.I. That was a couple of months agao. The last time I was at New 
>England which was in July someone there also mentioned it...Are you 
>going to the Olds Day Aug 16.??
>
>Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 02:07:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: CUTLAS066@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Day

I didn't know of Olds Day at New england Dragway, but I will keep it in mind
 There is a Oldsmobile Celebration at Cerrone Oldsmobile in Warwick, R.I.
He will have the indy 500 race cars and Pace car on display  free
refreshments
and an all Oldsmobile Car Show.  Nice 100th Anniversary  trophies awarded.
there are 13 classes , 3 trophies per class. Judged show 100 point system.
Sounds like a great day there will be a radio DJ Cruisin Bruce Palmer from
B101 doing a live broadcast.  If you decide to go you can email me and i 
will get back to you.  This event is August 9th.  9am to 5Pm . Registration
for show is until 1pm.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 02:51:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)

In a message dated 97-07-30 09:12:26 EDT, you write:

<< Hi Tim,
 
 R-406a, by itself, has been shown to be NON-flammable.  I've heard
 that R-12 has fire retardant qualities approaching Halon 1211, yet if it
 is discharged with dissolved oil, it will become highly flammable!  That
 said, I still wouldn't welcome a home-brew (79% propane, 21% isobutane)
 mixture of hydrocarbons lurking under my hood; gasoline already poses
 enough of a threat.  The EPA has stated that all flammable substitutes are
 unacceptable for use in vehicle A/C systems.  R-406a does contain a small
 amount of isobutane, but it has been shown that if the amount is kept
 around 4-5%, a mixture will remain non-flammable.
 
 Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario,
Canada
 
  "I still wouldn't welcome a home-brew (79% propane, 21% isobutane)
 mixture of hydrocarbons lurking under my hood; gasoline already poses
 enough of a threat." <--What are you refering to with this statement?? TIM

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:15:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Where's my Olds...

In a message dated 97-07-30 17:45:34 EDT, you write:

<< I would imagine that the Lansing event will be fairly well known to car
 theft rings dealing in classic cars.  Don't take any chances!
 
 Patrick 
 -- 
 Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net
  >>

Yeah Patrick, I can see it know..."Be on the lookout for a stolen 70
Oldsmobile".
It ll be real easy for the cops to pick that one out up there that week!  

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:24:53 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Door Edge Guards For Sale (7/31)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

Door Edge Guard package for 1971 to 1975 88 and 98 2-door.  Pair of
formed stainless steel trim pieces which install easily without tools.
Part number 983262, in original packing.  $20.00, including shipping to
any address in North America.  (7/31/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner ==========================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                            |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan                  |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It might be sold!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                   |
+=====================================================+

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:36:28 -0300 (GMT)
From: Alexey Borovkov <bor@gw.nsplus.spb.ru>
Subject: 1981 Olds 

Hi all !  Hi from Russia !

I live in St.Petersburg, Russia.
My friend has Oldsmobile Wagoon near 1981 with 307 engine, 4bbl carb,
auto trans.
Hi works as car mechanic, and he makes this Olds running,
but the tuning carb was approximately, and may be wrong, because the
many vacuum hoses were stop up.
It is big problem to find in Russia information about Olds and their
carbs.
If anybody have the scheme or manual  about vacuum hoses 
and electrical sensors on carb ,exhaust and intake systems
( may be picture of your engine  with carb without air filter)
please send me e-mail:

                       bor@gw.nsplus.spb.ru

Wich kind of fuel use such car?   And how much ?

Thank your for advance.

Alexey Borovkov

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 97 07:17:07 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Additives...

Here is an interesting note that I found in my August/September 97' issue 
of Muscle Car Review (page 12).

"In his recent newspaper column, Bob Sikorsky unmasks two oil additives 
heavily marketed in TV infomercials. According to Sikorsky, DURALUBE and 
PROLONG both contain forms of Chlorine. 6.8 and just under 30% 
respectively. Chlorine, a very effective extreme-pressure additive, is 
also so corrosive that oil companies discontinued using a fraction of 1% 
as an additive. According to Sikorsky: "...because chlorine is so 
corrosive, more harm than good will come from using motor oil fortified a 
chlorine-based extreme pressure additive...""

FYI,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:21:52 -0400
From: Eric Billups <ebillups@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Smoky Mountain Olds Show

Jay Britt wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if anyone on the list will be at the Smoky Mountain
> Oldsmobile Show in Knoxville, TN. on August 2. This will be my first
> time at this show, has anyone been to it in the past?.
> I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of cool cars and maybe find a part
> or two.
> 
> Hope to see you there,
> Jay Britt
> OCA#29460
> '67 Cutlass Supreme
> '89 Cutlass Calais Quad4
> 
> --
> __________________________________________________________
> Jay Britt                        360° Communications
> Systems Engineer             Wireless PBX & Data Services
> (757) 687-3317              One Columbus Center, Suite 530
> (757) 473-0063 Fax          Virginia Beach, Virginia 23462
> mailto:jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net           USA
> mailto:jay.britt@360.com
> __________________________________________________________
> This message was sent from a wireless data device using
> 360° Communications' CDPD Wireless Data Services.Do you have any detail on this show. I want to make a short run before 
Lancing.  Atlanta is about 3 hours away and should be a good test. My 
fender skirts are in the paint shop currently but may not be ready by 
the weekend.  My car is a '60 Dynamic 88 convertible. By the way there 
is a '60 lite blue convertible in the Arizona jeans commerical.  Check 
it out.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 08:20:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: My current happenings.... (was: Union, IL car show & list meet)

In a message dated 97-07-30 22:22:10 EDT, you write:

<< 
  Congratulations ot both of you.  Owning your own home is just a little
 short of a lifetime of Oldsmobile restoration as far as effort is concerned.
 Don't expect it to get much better either.  The only thing worse is not
 owning your own home.
 
 Let's get the home details over & get those Oldsmobiles rolling.
 
 Bill Culp
 Decatur, Alabama
 
 
  >>

Uhhh... he's the owner, I'm the renter.  We'll happily stay at this place for
a while since the house we're moving into would be worth approx. $60-70,000
market value, at least, and we're renting it out for $500 per month, so we
can't complain, actually, a heluva bargain for us.

I'll just have to stick with the restoring Olds' for now, which is fine for
me......  planty to do, and we'll work on the house thing as we go.....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:44:02 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: BUILDING 455

Don't forget about Dave Smith Engineering as well-- Their number
is (909) 371-7040. Between Mondello and DSE, you should get a real good
idea as to what it'll take to accomplish what you want. From what you said,
a healthy 425 with a good breathing set of heads and a quality aftermarket
intake manifold will put you well into the 400's, and depending on your
configuration, get around 500 ft/lbs of torque rather easily.  If you'd like
to run a few different configurations, I'd be happy to run them through
DeskTop Dyno for you to give you a pretty accurate idea as to what kind of
numbers to expect.

Good Luck!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

- -----------------------------------------------------------



At 06:54 PM 7/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>As you may already know, a catalog from Joe Mondello is an absolute must for
>a project like this.  Though he doesn't work cheap, I'd simply send off the
>heads to him with instructions to make them "right" -- valves, porting, etc.
>
>Nick Davis
>
>
>At 05:54 PM 7/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>
>>I have rejoined the list after being gone for awhile. I am the happy owner
of a
>>71 Cutlass Convertible, 74 Supreme. I am currently in Central IL, Peoria to
>>be exact. Have wife and 2 great boys that love the cars ( yea!!).
>>
>>I am writing to ask for ideas and success stories about 455's. My
>>Convertible has recently disowned one of its conrods.  I would like to
>>rebuild with more power, it was a '76 vintage engine and lacked
>>performance.  New engine will get 2x4's, wife gave me the intake for
>>Christmas. I would like to keep it streetable but still have 400+ h.p.  I
>>have a line on a '66 425 out of a Toro that has "c" heads, if I got them -
>>any word on porting and putting in the larger valves,
>>recomendations on type of valve.
>>
>>I am in the planning stages not the spending stage so any suggestions welcome.
>>
>>Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:21:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Mile Roth w-30 ID

Hey Mike


 The motor,trans, & hood are gone. I will Look for the sound deadening in the
trunk
lid. It did have the sport mirrors with one broken glass (got a friend to fix
that), thats one thing I wanted. It also had black inner fenderwells, but I
think It got a new front clip at some time.




                                                            Thanks
                                                             Keith Brumbley
                                                             71 442 conv.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 07:11:53 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 Taillamp Bezels

Daniele Scopone wrote:
> 
> What is the proper paint color for the tail light bezels for the
> 68.....somebody please let me know!!  Please Email me at:

Do you mean the housing that holds the red and white plastic lenses?

If so, mine are black.

Chris Sparks
68 442

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:17:09 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Additives...

If this is the case why haven't the oil companies said anything as a
retaliation to it's competition. They should inform the public that
these products can do more harm if used than good. Or maybe they want us
to use them and when the bad happens they will come back and say "You
shouldn't use them because this is what will happen", causing us to run
back to them like frightened sheep. 
	I never trusted those info-mercials and I never will. The use of
Chlorine as a high pressure additive is what gives this stuff that
amazing ability to withstand the needle on the bearing test. Pretty
impressive, but again too much flash for me.I hope nobody got caught up
with these products as is using them religiously.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:39:22 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Smoky Mountain Olds Show

Eric Billups wrote:

> Jay Britt wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone on the list will be at the Smoky Mountain
> > Oldsmobile Show in Knoxville, TN. on August 2. This will be my first
>
> > time at this show, has anyone been to it in the past?.
> > I'm looking forward to seeing a lot of cool cars and maybe find a
> part
> > or two.
> >
> > Hope to see you there,
> > Jay Britt
> > OCA#29460
> > '67 Cutlass Supreme
> > '89 Cutlass Calais Quad4
> >
> > --
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Jay Britt                        3600 Communications
> > Systems Engineer             Wireless PBX & Data Services
> > (757) 687-3317              One Columbus Center, Suite 530
> > (757) 473-0063 Fax          Virginia Beach, Virginia 23462
> > mailto:jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net           USA
> > mailto:jay.britt@360.com
> > __________________________________________________________
> > This message was sent from a wireless data device using
> > 3600 Communications' CDPD Wireless Data Services.Do you have any
> detail on this show. I want to make a short run before
> Lancing.  Atlanta is about 3 hours away and should be a good test. My
> fender skirts are in the paint shop currently but may not be ready by
> the weekend.  My car is a '60 Dynamic 88 convertible. By the way there
>
> is a '60 lite blue convertible in the Arizona jeans commerical.  Check
>
> it out.

   Hey does anyone have the info on the show? I live in NC and would
like to go if I can find out about it. Does anyone know if they got I-40
open yet I have not heard  Thanks Terry

Terry Teague
1968 Delta Custom
Dawgs@conninc.com
(704)327-9794

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:59:16 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Jokes? 

 Chris,

If it were Coupe', would it be a French chicken?

Of course, I am distressed to hear that you are getting rid of some pieces
that you must sell.  Fortunately, no one would buy my stuff even if I did
offer it.  The W30 stuff is precious & I'm happy that you can keep it.

I have bought some things from you & can wholeheartedly recommend that
everything you sell is "as described" & priced fairly.  Thanks for the help
that you have always given me.  I hope to meet you in Lansing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>
>2- Here's one that even a kid can appreciate:
>
>Why does a chicken coup have two doors?
>
>Because if it had 4 doors it'd be a chicken SEDAN.
>
>Ha ha ha ha ha.
>
>3- Obligatory Olds content:
>I must be thankful that as yet, things are not so bad that I have to sell
off
>the W30's with all their paraphernalia, the tri-carb intake setup, etc.
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:12:40 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: BUILDING 455

>I am writing to ask for ideas and success stories about 455's. My
>Convertible has recently disowned one of its conrods.  I would like to

Hmmm, recommendations for a buildup will depend upon a description of what
you were _doing_ when your engine threw a rod! How fast do you plan on
revving your new motor? I'm always interested in stories of of what *not* to
do to my motors... ;)

>rebuild with more power, it was a '76 vintage engine and lacked
>performance.  New engine will get 2x4's, wife gave me the intake for
>Christmas. I would like to keep it streetable but still have 400+ h.p.  I
>have a line on a '66 425 out of a Toro that has "c" heads, if I got them -
>any word on porting and putting in the larger valves,
>recomendations on type of valve.

Well, the "C" heads on the '66 Toro would be non-original ('66's came with
"B"'s), so though the Toro units would have the big-valves already, those
"C" heads could be from anything, so you may or may not need to change the
valves. Also, are the A.I.R. ports drilled out or not on the exhausts? (the
"B" heads I have from a non-CA '66 Toro are not) Either way, in any porting
job you would want to remove the A.I.R. bosses from the inside of the
exhaust ports, and blend that area into the rest of the port ceiling. What
exhaust manifolds are you going to be using? You may want to extend the port
divider if you're going to be running headers (involves welding on the
cast-iron, or grinding it flat and adding the extra length of the divider to
the flange of the headers themselves).

The Toro block would be nice for your 455 buildup, especially with that
forged crank. If you like high rpms, the shorter stroke of the 425 will keep
your piston speed down, and allow your engine another 1000rpms before doing
what you did before, which will move a lot more air/fuel mixture in and out
of the cylinders than an extra 30ci of displacement would. There was a small
war on the list about a year ago about the pro's and con's of the 425 vs.
the 455 for performance use (and a smaller war about the early short-stroke
400 vs. the later long-stroke 400, about who could make more power), and I
believe the result was the the basic geometry (stroke, rod-angle) of the 425
was much more suited to 3/4 race type applications like your buildup seems
to be.

Oh, one warning if you use the Toro 425 block: the lifters are larger in
diameter, so the standard Olds lifters won't fit. You need the .921"
lifters; about $70 more a set.

Also, that's sweet your wife gave you a dual-4bbl manifold (beat socks!).
Which manifold is it, though? A low-rise dual-quad intake? If so, a member
of this list runs one successfully on his '73 442 (which is, uh, quite
built, you might say... email him at mailto://SRB442@aol.com ), but he would
have more power with a single dominator carb. Looks real nice, though!
Probably not an issue with the power level you're seeking, though, as his
car is in the 550hp range.

There was also a discussion late last year about the merits of the various
Olds tunnel-rams, so if you have one of those, it might be worth your while
to peruse the archives and go over that discussion.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:12:44 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: FS: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)

OK, don't know the guy, but here's what I saw in the paper this morning:

A 1971 Cutlass Convertible (assuming 350), needing restoration (I'd assume
buckets of rust), $875. The phone number was for Southeastern Massachusetts,
and I can post it if anyone is interested. 

Struck me as cheap, as I saw a clapped-out '71 convertible that *sold* for
$3500. Either something is majorly wrong (i.e. a "two-part" frame), or
they're just trying to sell it and don't know what others are gouging.., uh,
selling these for.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:15:18 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 1981 Olds 

 Alexey,

Welcome to the US car market.  After you & your friend get this hose problem
straightened out, you won't like capitalism too much.  I'm sorry to hear of
your troubles & I can sympathize w/you.  I am supposed to be repairing a
1984 307 toronado w/the hoses & smog devices all removed.  I can't find a
diagram of this even at the Olds dealer.

It is nice to hear from Russia.  You know that everyone in America is
interested in life & events in your country.  Politics isn't too
interesting, but let us know what ordinary life is like in St. Petersburg.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Hi all !  Hi from Russia !
>
>I live in St.Petersburg, Russia.
>My friend has Oldsmobile Wagoon near 1981 with 307 engine, 4bbl carb,
>auto trans.
>Hi works as car mechanic, and he makes this Olds running,
>but the tuning carb was approximately, and may be wrong, because the
>many vacuum hoses were stop up.
>It is big problem to find in Russia information about Olds and their
>carbs.
>If anybody have the scheme or manual  about vacuum hoses
>and electrical sensors on carb ,exhaust and intake systems
>( may be picture of your engine  with carb without air filter)
>please send me e-mail:
>
>                       bor@gw.nsplus.spb.ru
>
>Wich kind of fuel use such car?   And how much ?
>
>Thank your for advance.
>
>Alexey Borovkov
>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:18:37 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: What time is the Digest sent?

OK, folks, for reasons of time-management, I've switched over to the Digest
format, but one thing that puzzles me is what time I should be expecting the
Digest to come flying over to my compter? I seem to get some in the middle
of the night, but then some come at 4:00 in the afternoon, or 11:00 at
night. Is there more than one digest a day, so that it gets sent out when
there are a certain number of messages, or is it supposed to be compiled at
one set time, and sent out once every 24-hours, but mail delivery problems
are just spreading the delivery times all over this place?

Whatever the case, send a reply directly to me, now that I'm digest and all...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:24:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 RH Fender

ok, but i think he is going to take it,would you consider pass. side 69
fender, ?should be the same.  lets talk.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 10:51:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: R-406a observations (Re: R-12 to R-134a)

>   "I still wouldn't welcome a home-brew (79% propane, 21% isobutane)
>  mixture of hydrocarbons lurking under my hood; gasoline already poses
>  enough of a threat." <--What are you refering to with this statement?? TIM

There are some that are perfectly at ease with using highly flammable
substances as a refrigerant in cars, and I was alluding to one of their
arguments that another flammable hydrocarbon, gasoline, is present in many
parts of a vehicle, in a much higher quantity.  Fuel is already a major
source of vehicle fires, especially after an accident, and I feel there is
no sense having another ignitable substance hanging around if it can be
avoided.  Fortunately, a non-flammable formulation like R-406a is
available to me, otherwise, I might have been experimenting with a
propane/isobutane mixture, which happens to be an excellent substitute,
and justifying myself with the studies that indicate there isn't an
increased risk with the use of an HC refrigerant.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 11:40:06 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Pictures of my 62 "STARFIRE"

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<P>Hi everybody this is my first WEB PAGE and I don't have any idea what
I am doing. This is the fourth time I typed this. Well my name is LARRY
POLESNAK and I live in Pittsburgh ,Pa. If it wasn't for ED N3UE a friend
of mine I probably wouldn't be on the internet,I would like to thank him
for teaching me about computer, I think if he had hair he would have pulled
it out for all the hours he helped me.My other hobby is AMATEUR RADIO and
my call is WB3KJG . I will try to put a nice list together for car cruises
in WESTERN PENNSYLVANIA and I will have a few links for HAM RADIO also.
As soon as I stop down to ED'S house I will have my car pictures scanned
and you will see how sharp my car is, see you later... LARRY

<P>Car Cruise Dates For This Season

<P>&nbsp;EVERY Tues. Nigro's Rest./ 5th Ave. North Versaillies/DJ RAY /
6-9 PM
<BR>&nbsp;EVERY Weds. Taco Bell / RT.88 Library Rd. /412-833-6220/ DJ RAY/
6-9 PM
<BR>&nbsp;EVERY Thur. Jaden's/ Wm.Penn.Hwy / 412-373-8575 / 6-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;EVERY Fri. Wal- Mart / Century III West Mifflin / 6-9 PM
<BR>&nbsp;EVERY Sun. Super K-Mart/ Robinson Twp./5-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;EVERY Sun. Sand Castle Park/ Homestead / 6-9 PM
<BR>&nbsp;2nd Sat.Each Month / Custard's 1st Stand Camp Horne Rd. 766-3101
/ / 8/9___/ 9/13___/ 10/11___/ 6-11 PM
<BR>&nbsp;3rd Sat. Each Month / North Towne Sq. /Rt.8 Gibsonia (Benefits
Sids)487-5241 / 4-10PM
<BR>&nbsp;Pizza Hut/ 4320 Northern Pike/__/Aug.11,25__/Sept.8,22__/6-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.1st___DAIRY QUEEN RT.30 NORTH Versaillies/ DJ RAY /466-8626/
6-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.4__McDONALDS RT.28 HARMERVILLE /6-10
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.10___CHILI'S CENTERY III__5-10PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.10___BOSTON MKT. RT.19 CRANBERRY ___6-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.15__WEXFORD PLAZA___6-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.16___NORTHTOWN RT.8___5-10PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.24___MIAMI SUB RT.286___6-11PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.27__MR.C'S__AMBRIDGE__6-9PM
<BR>&nbsp;AUG.31__ CHILI'S RT.22 MONROEVILLE__4-10PM
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<P><IMG SRC="redball.gif" ><A HREF="prevue.html">A few pictures of my 62 Starfire</A>

<P><IMG SRC="redball.gif" > Links to other sites on the Web

<P>&nbsp;<IMG SRC="whiteball.gif" > <A HREF="http://www.users.sgi.net/~wolfie/">amateur
radio</A>
<BR><IMG SRC="whiteball.gif" > <A HREF="http://www.classicar.com/home.htm">classic
car</A>
<BR><IMG SRC="whiteball.gif" > <A HREF="http://cirrus.sprl.umich.edu/wxnet/wxcam.html">live
cams world wide</A>
<BR><IMG SRC="whiteball.gif" > <A HREF="http://www.ring.com/">3,500 screens/
it's all here</A>
<BR><IMG SRC="whiteball.gif" > <A HREF="http://exo.com/~jht/olds/distance.html#mileagemeter">How
far is it? Where's it at? Plus trip ticket</A>
<BR><IMG SRC="whiteball.gif" > <A HREF="http://www.traderonline.com">Trader
On Line (if you want it you'll find it here)</A>

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<P>Well I'm back to tell you about my first 62 STARFIRE. I had my first
one in 1966 and believe it or not I got it off a school teacher. Want a
ride and what a sleeper. I used to lay tire from low gear to super and
raced many cars and they were always sucking up my exhaust.That 394 ci.with
345 horses blew by many cars. What a beauty it was,BLACK exterior and BURGUNDY
interior,and so clean you could eat off the car anywhere.I had SMOOTHIES
with KNOCK OFF SPINNERS and red line tires it looked really sharp. I have
to go now I'll keep working on this page... LARRY...email ME if you like
the LINKS... WELL THE HAM FEST IS OVER THANKS FOR COMMING HOPE THAT YOU
ENJOYED IT.. AS SOON AS I GET DATES FOR CAR CRUISES I WILL POST THEM....

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:25:43 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Pictures of my 62 "STARFIRE"

larry polesnak wrote:
> 
> http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/6250/
> Hi everyone, I finally got my pictures on my web page. Stop and visit
> let me know how you like my car...Larry Polsnak

Nice Larry!  Do you realized that you sent your home page as well?
I hope this doesn't affect too many people with downloading.

Anyway I liked you car a lot.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 03:29:09 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: Fall Carlisle 

     
Can anyone tell me what the dates for Fall Carlisle are?

M Rothe replied with a lead on a junkyard just north of Charleston SC, is 
there any others within a few hours of Charleston? I will be at a conference 
there in Oct/Nov?


Brian Kerr
'69 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 09:50:57 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Fall Carlisle

> Can anyone tell me what the dates for Fall Carlisle are?

How about the dates for Kitty Carlisle? :-)  Will our mystery guest
please sign in.

Later...
Chris Sparks

P.S. Oops I forgot the Olds content:

That joke is really Old(smobile).  I know it is a stretch here. :-)

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 12:27:15 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Oop's Sorry here are just pictures

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you like them.....Larry Polesnak

         6    2    S    T    A    R     F    I     R    E

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 14:26:57 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Reverse Lens (wanted)

Hi ,looking for a 1962 olds reverse light lens. Mine has a slight crack
in it. Thanks Larry Polesnak..

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:07:55 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

The best joke I've heard in a while:


>Blue suit
>
>This woman goes into a funeral home to make arrangements for her
>husband's funeral.  She tells the director that she wants her
>husband to be buried in a dark blue suit. He asks, "Wouldn't it
>just be easier to bury him in the black suit that he's wearing?"
>
>But she insists that it must be a blue suit and gives him a blank
>check to buy one. When she comes back for the wake, she sees her
>husband in the coffin and he is wearing a beautiful blue suit.
>She tells the director how much she loves the suit and asks how
>much it cost.
>
>He says, "Actually, it didn't cost anything.  The funniest thing
>happened.  As soon as you left, another corpse was brought in,
>this one wearing a blue suit.  I noticed that they were about the
>same size, and asked the other widow if she would mind if her
>husband were buried in a black suit.  She said that was fine with
>her. So...






>"I switched the heads."








************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:17:21 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: RS liquidation?

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From: Kerr, Brian (R)
To: 'Chris Witt'
Subject: FW: RS liquidation?
Date: Thursday, July 31, 1997 1:38PM


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>Wife says....

>Misc. W/Z xst manifolds, all with some flaws, broken ear or crack at the 
cente
>r
>divider, etc. $20 each.

I have a '69 Cutlass conv with a '71 455 from a 442 that came to me with 
headers. I want to go back to manifolds.
I have the tools (torches, welder, diegrinder etc) and average to average+ 
skills, are these manifolds repairable? I am planning to head to Olds 
Centennial from Thursday evening to Sun am. and was wondering if I could 
meet up and do a deal with these manifolds?

Brian Kerr
Daytime work # 1 800 565 9586
On holidays starting Aug 1 (to work on car) to Aug 8
Mobile # 905301 1993

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 06:17:19 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: Fall Carlisle 

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Subject: Fall Carlisle
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Can anyone tell me what the dates for Fall Carlisle are?

M Rothe replied with a lead on a junkyard just north of Charleston SC, is
there any others within a few hours of Charleston? I will be at a conference 

there in Oct/Nov?


Brian Kerr
'69 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 13:20:25 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> 
> The best joke I've heard in a while:
> 
> >Blue suit

I don't get it?!?!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 17:12:55 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> 
> The best joke I've heard in a while:
> 
> >Blue suit
> >
> >This woman goes into a funeral home to make arrangements for her
> >husband's funeral.  She tells the director that she wants her
> >husband to be buried in a dark blue suit. He asks, "Wouldn't it
> >just be easier to bury him in the black suit that he's wearing?"
> >
> >But she insists that it must be a blue suit and gives him a blank
> >check to buy one. When she comes back for the wake, she sees her
> >husband in the coffin and he is wearing a beautiful blue suit.
> >She tells the director how much she loves the suit and asks how
> >much it cost.
> >
> >He says, "Actually, it didn't cost anything.  The funniest thing
> >happened.  As soon as you left, another corpse was brought in,
> >this one wearing a blue suit.  I noticed that they were about the
> >same size, and asked the other widow if she would mind if her
> >husband were buried in a black suit.  She said that was fine with
> >her. So...
> 
> >"I switched the heads."
> 
> ************************************************
> Dan Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> ************************************************
Why didn't he just switch suites.....not as messy.  Wayne

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:40:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Latest JWO

> On Wed, 30 Jul 1997, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> > >Got the August issue yesterday... noted that there was a nice write-up on 
> > >the April Olds Club of Florida show, complete with pictures of longtime 
> > >list members Bob Handren (who chaired the show) and Peg O'Connor. BTW, 
> > >Peg won an award of dubious distinction... ;-)
> > 
> > ...and that would be...?
> 
> In the interests of list decorum I'll let Peg announce the name of the 
> award if she chooses to... don't want to cast any aspersions on her fine 
> name... ;-)

Thought we all knew eachother too well for decorum here.  Lessee, the
award was . . . Jill of All Trades.  That's probably not what you're
looking for.  How about . . . Golf Ball Raffle Winner?  Official 
Door-Greeter?  Or . . . . (ahem) . . 
Least Likely to Make it Home!!!!!
(Peg bows to the thunderous sound of applause for her '86 Supreme)
(affectionately known as Grey Mine). 

But it's only cuz it *looked* like it wouldn't make it home.  Can't kill a
Rocket!  For complete details on everything that's wrong with this car,
cruise on over to www.442.com/peg.html.  I got bonus points for the 
missing horn, rearview mirror, and door handle.  Oh, yeah, and I think the
mop holding up the trunklid is what clinched my prize.  :)

8)
peg

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 17:03:12 -0500
From: jrjet@mtco.com (Dot & Tim McChesney)
Subject: Re: BUILDING 455

>Hmmm, recommendations for a buildup will depend upon a description of what
>you were _doing_ when your engine threw a rod! How fast do you plan on
>revving your new motor? I'm always interested in stories of of what *not* to
>do to my motors... ;)

>
>Also, that's sweet your wife gave you a dual-4bbl manifold (beat socks!).
>Which manifold is it, though? A low-rise dual-quad intake? If so, a member
>of this list runs one successfully on his '73 442 (which is, uh, quite
>built, you might say... email him at mailto://SRB442@aol.com ), but he would
>have more power with a single dominator carb. Looks real nice, though!
>Probably not an issue with the power level you're seeking, though, as his
>car is in the 550hp range.
>


I was behaving myself when the rod spun its bearings.  I do have plans for
a few trips down the track when finished. The toro engine might be a 455-
it is in a junk yard. They want $100 for it haven't been back to get
numbers off of it yet.

The dual quad is an offy low rise 360. Planning on the edlbrock 500cfm carbs.
I like the low rise ,don't want to advertise after all. I have factory
duals for the exhaust, but will change to headers some time in the future.

I will ask SRB442 some about his car.  I went through high school in a 73
with a 4 speed. I did the change over.  I still have the pedals and bell
housing, I think.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:11:18 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Road Blocks

Received the following from Bob Handren...

"Re the roads in FL and GA, one of local club members used to drive tour
groups all over the eastern US.  On his recommendation we are taking I-10
west over the FL panhandle and then heading north through Montgomery, AL. He
says it avoids the mountains as well.

I know you aren't coming from down the way but since you are sharing
this type of info, thought I would send it along.

Bob"

Doug Kitchener

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:14:58 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Re: Re: Road Blox

Also received this from Bob H...

> In a message dated 97-07-25 06:59:48 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Also, from the Toronado Email list, Rob Olsson sez the Michigan roads are
> lousy.   >>
> 
> Doug: We can, unfortunately, verify that is spades.  When we went in '87 we
> lost _every_ tire on the old Winnebago.  We would definitely recommend fresh
> rubber as they will take a pounding!
> 
> Bob and Cheryl
> 
OW!

Doug

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 16:19:17 -0700
From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Congratulations in order

Hey everyone,

	Just thought that we should give a little thanks to the Bryceman for
all his support.  His page broke the 100,000 mark recently and to me
that says a lot of hard work has been put in on his side.  So...  Thanks
you have helped me out on several occasions.  Keep up the good work.


							T. Adams
							65 442 post

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:30:10 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Chicken Band

Breaker, breaker!  Hey all you good buddies, cotton-choppers, hammer-downers and 
all that stuff; me an' my good buddy Sparky wuz talkin' t'other night about the 
good ol' CB radios that we gonna be takin' on this here trip to Lansing for this 
here Centennial, 10-4?

(Whew, by the time this trip is over [let alone this message], I'm gonna have 
lockjaw!  One paragraph is enough!)

Anyway, somebody wanna pick an official Centennial CB channel?  That way, we'll 
all be on the same frequency, so to speak!  How about 7?  This could be 
particularly useful for our planned Thursday late-afternoon/early eve 
get-together.  (On the other hand, it could be a complete waste!)

Email list members, please cc me with your comments, I'm not on either list 
right now 'cause I'm in a time warp (or something).

Keep the shiny side up, the rubber side down and your back door clean, good 
buddies, 10-4?  (Gawd!).

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:41:07 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> 
> I don't get it?!?!

Wayne Schwartz wrote:
>
> Why didn't he just switch suites.....not as messy.  

Geez!  Tough crowd, Dan.  Kalkhoff's gonna love this one.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:43:30 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Congratulations in order

Travis Adams wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
>         Just thought that we should give a little thanks to the Bryceman for
> all his support.  His page broke the 100,000 mark recently and to me

Agree, hats off to the Bryceman for a most informative Olds site.  I
would think with a nice site such as his, the odometer would've rolled
over faster.....but he's done one heckuva job.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:51:36 -0700
From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> 
> The best joke I've heard in a while:
> 
> >Blue suit
> >
> >This woman goes into a funeral home to make arrangements for her
> >husband's funeral.  She tells the director that she wants her
> >husband to be buried in a dark blue suit. He asks, "Wouldn't it
> >just be easier to bury him in the black suit that he's wearing?"
> >
> >But she insists that it must be a blue suit and gives him a blank
> >check to buy one. When she comes back for the wake, she sees her
> >husband in the coffin and he is wearing a beautiful blue suit.
> >She tells the director how much she loves the suit and asks how
> >much it cost.
> >
> >He says, "Actually, it didn't cost anything.  The funniest thing
> >happened.  As soon as you left, another corpse was brought in,
> >this one wearing a blue suit.  I noticed that they were about the
> >same size, and asked the other widow if she would mind if her
> >husband were buried in a black suit.  She said that was fine with
> >her. So...
> 
> >"I switched the heads."
> 
> ************************************************
> Dan Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> ************************************************
Very Good!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:56:23 -0700
From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

Wayne Schwartz wrote:
> 
> Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> >
> > The best joke I've heard in a while:
> >
> > >Blue suit
> > >
> > >This woman goes into a funeral home to make arrangements for her
> > >husband's funeral.  She tells the director that she wants her
> > >husband to be buried in a dark blue suit. He asks, "Wouldn't it
> > >just be easier to bury him in the black suit that he's wearing?"
> > >
> > >But she insists that it must be a blue suit and gives him a blank
> > >check to buy one. When she comes back for the wake, she sees her
> > >husband in the coffin and he is wearing a beautiful blue suit.
> > >She tells the director how much she loves the suit and asks how
> > >much it cost.
> > >
> > >He says, "Actually, it didn't cost anything.  The funniest thing
> > >happened.  As soon as you left, another corpse was brought in,
> > >this one wearing a blue suit.  I noticed that they were about the
> > >same size, and asked the other widow if she would mind if her
> > >husband were buried in a black suit.  She said that was fine with
> > >her. So...
> >
> > >"I switched the heads."
> >
> > ************************************************
> > Dan Gulino
> > gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> > http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> > 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> > ************************************************
> Why didn't he just switch suites.....not as messy.  Wayne
Not as fun!

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 19:30:40 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> 
> Rick Anderson wrote:
> >
> > dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> > >
> > > Rick Anderson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know of a good source for a drivers side rear qtr panel for
> > > > a 65 Olds Jetstar I that is reasonably priced  $650/pr at Fusick's
> > >
> > > Fusick has 65 Jetstar quarter panels???  Geez, I'd better go back and
> > > take a second look at them.
> > > --
> > >
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > >       Dan Hamlett
> > >       1966 Cutlass Convertible
> > >       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
> > >       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
> > >       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > according to the catalog I got from fusick's  they have 1 pr of orig.
> > full size 2dr olds rear qtr panels at $650/pr   I'm on a budget and
> > building a driver, I don't care if they are real or not or if they came
> > off a car as long as they haven't been in an accident and are already
> > covered in Bondo (done quite poorly i might as well add) and are lacking
> > a rust hole as the current one is.   I also don't need a pair  just the
> > driver's side.
> 
> Then my suggestion to you would be to pick up a Hemmings, or an Old car
> trader or call some of the salvage yards in AZ.  I know somone already
> tried to make this point to you but I'll attempt it again.  Someone
> selling rust free fenders for a car that old and scarce dont really care
> WHAT your putting them on or if your going to use them as a boat
> anchor.  There is a market for these panels and $650 a pair is a STEAL
> for used ones let alone NOS panels.  I WISH I could find a pair of used
> rust free panels for my 66 for 650 a pair, I'd be all over them.  I
> realize you have a budget however most people dont choose a 32 year old
> car as a "driver" I'll think you'll find that 90% of the people who own
> a car just like yours a quite a bit older, making more money and their
> cars never see a rainy day..these are the people that drive the market
> way up.  Good luck finding a bargain, but If I were you and looked at
> the car as just a driver and couldn't care less about the qp's as long
> as no rust was showing, I'd invest in some sandpaper and a bucket of
> bondo. thats as cheap as it gets.
> --
> 
> -----------------------------------------
>       Dan Hamlett
>       1966 Cutlass Convertible
>       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
>       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
>       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> -----------------------------------------
I understand that panels are expensve and I should just patch the
existing panel due to my budget, but the panel is disintegrated and look
as if they were already patched once after a fender bender.  I don't
plan on making it a show grade vehicle, I just don't have the money.  I
want a cruiser for whenever it isn't crappy out.  I don't like the idea
of having a car that never sees rain, this one sees every rainstorm.  It
lives outside for now, I can't talk my dad out of his garage space and
he won't let my mom give up hers even though she volunteered.  I didn't
realize how scarce panels are for series 88 2dr cars.  I'll check around
the yards for some.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 18:41:30 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Latest JWO

 Peg,

In AL that would be a new car.  Why are you entering a new car in a car
show?  Isn't that unfair to the other entrants?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>Least Likely to Make it Home!!!!!
>(Peg bows to the thunderous sound of applause for her '86 Supreme)
>(affectionately known as Grey Mine).
>
>But it's only cuz it *looked* like it wouldn't make it home.  Can't kill a
>Rocket!  For complete details on everything that's wrong with this car,
>cruise on over to www.442.com/peg.html.  I got bonus points for the
>missing horn, rearview mirror, and door handle.  Oh, yeah, and I think the
>mop holding up the trunklid is what clinched my prize.  :)
>
>8)
>peg
>
>

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 15:33:58 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

Robert and Susie Colombo wrote:
> 
> > >Blue suit
- -snip-
> > >"I switched the heads."

Duh! I get it now! I am not too good with these kind of jokes.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 20:21:03 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Fall Carlisle

Kerr, Brian (R) wrote:
> 
> 
> Can anyone tell me what the dates for Fall Carlisle are?

Fall Carlisle is Oct 2 thru Oct 5.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 00:48:27 UT
From: "Laurence Simpson" <LaurenceSimpson@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

Mike:

Hurst manufactures something called a Dual/Gate 2 which has a "universal 
console" or will fit the factory console of 73-92 Camaro's or 70-81 Firebirds. 
 Sorry no olds listed.  292 0006 - TH 200, 250, 350, 375, & 400
                               292 0008 - TH 700 R4 & 200 4R
See page 8 of the Hurst catalog

Laurence Simpson, D.D.S.
69, 79, 88 Hurst/Olds
88 H/O Advisor for HOCA

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From: 	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Sent: 	Tuesday, July 29, 1997 11:51 PM
To: 	Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Hurst Dual Gate shifter

I am just inquiring if anybody knows if Hurst still manufactures the
Dual gate shifter?  I've become very interested in finding one..

Mike Jones
'78 88 2dr

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:59:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 RH Fender

have 69 fender,interested,please reply ,steven.    w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:04:56 -0700
From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Subject: Re: 68 442 RH Fender

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> have 69 fender,interested,please reply ,steven.    w30442cs@aol.comWhat are you asking for it, and what shape is it in?

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:13:04 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: More roadblox

Lansing-bounders:

Just got the following message from Glenn Williamson re my earlier Chicken Band 
post; I told him 22 is good... please cc me on any comments, as I'm not on 
either list... thanx

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

From Glenn Williamson:

> Something to consider on CB channel- I monitor 19 for road & traffic &
> fuzz conditions and would prefer to stay a couple frequencies up or down
> from 19 for convenience instead of cranking all over the place. All of
> MAC will have 40ch units (do dey make 23ch any more?) and we usually run
> on 15 or 22 when we travel (lotsa times around here the real low
> channels are local rednex, hunt clubs, truck stop girls etc). This is
> for on the road- we can always step 'em down for communications after we
> hit Lansing.
> 
> Also have on good authority that mid-Ohio law enforcement is heavy and
> unforgiving. This from a guy who travels Parkersburg/Columbus/Akron
> triangle frequently on US50 and I77. Keep yer yack boxes and radar
> detectors on high! Just because radar detectors are illegal to use in
> ol' Virginny don't mean we ain't got 'em to use outside the Old
> Dominion- of course, an Olds driver would never break the speed limit,
> now, would they? Stodgy ol' Rocket powered cars- kid in a Camaro sez to
> me, he sez, "Ain't them 455's a slow engine?" Sez me to him, I sez,
> (after demonstrating how bright my taillights burn while fading into the
> distance) "Wadda YOU think?" YEE-HAW!  I CAN'T DRIVE 55!

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