
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, August 2 1997       Volume 01 : Number 781



Re: 72 Cutlass 455
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ignition Problem
Re: more roadblox
Reproducing..pitted pot metal    sample
Rick-- Re: Attention all 1964-65 442/Cutlass Owners...
RE: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Re: Steering Gear Repair 78-98
Differential ID & swap
Clock/Tach
Re: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)
Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes
Dual gate on web page
Misc for sale PNW/ Am I the only list member in Portland?
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: Differential ID & swap
Re: J.Chermack pls email me
Re: Michigan Road Report
More Parts
Re: Last Call! Chicago Olds Meet This Sunday!
Re: Michigan Road Report
72 W-30 shell wanted
what happened?
Olds Powered Porsche
Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes
FUSICK CLOSED?
Re: Greetings
Re: Olds Powered Porsche
Re: what happened?
60 olds 98 conv
Auction prices...
Re: FUSICK CLOSED?
Re: FUSICK CLOSED?
Paint Question
X 1/9, Oldsmoporsche, etc
Re: FUSICK CLOSED?
Re: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)
Need this part, do you have it?
Re: Auction prices...
Looking to trade SS 2 wheel
442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 
vin # & timing chain
super sport 1 wheels
Re: Paint Question
Where does that RTV go?
Re: Michigan Road Report
Re: Paint Question
Oil Pressure and carpet/headliner color
Re: Oil Pressure and carpet/headliner color
Re: Auction prices...
Tranny Fluid
Re: super sport 1 wheels
Re: Oil Pressure and carpet/headliner color
Re: Auction prices...
Re: Auction prices...
Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Oil Pan-- Centennial swap spots
"F" Stamping
Brake Part Question
BB heads
Re: super sport 1 wheels
Re: "F" Stamping
Re: Auction prices...

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:49:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass 455

i deal in 68-72 parts,cutlass,442,vista cruzers,   maybe i can help.
  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:14:25 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ignition Problem

>I have a 1985 Cutlass with a built 455.  I was in the process of shaking
>the car down after the new power plant was put in, and after a short
>while (two weeks of very limited test driving) the car would cut out and
>die.  If you tried to restart the motor, it would start fine only to
>repeat the entire process again.

My Vista Cruiser had that same problem.  It would die and eventually restart
only to die again.  Sometimes it could go a couple of days before it would
die again, sometimes it didn't last 5 minuits.  The problem was whenever I
went to troubleshoot it, whatever was broken started working again.  I
finally got a bad meter reading from the pickup coil in the distributor.
But I ended up checking it 3 times before I ever got the bad reading.  I
guess that a wire in it was broken but would still make a connection once in
awhile.

I can't tell you for sure if that was the problem though, I never got to
replace it.  I inadvertently destroyed the distributor when taking it out.
It was stuck, really stuck, and it broke into two pieces before it could be
removed.  That was a pretty freaky incident though, i've never heard of that
happening to anyone else.  I ended up just buying another distributor at the
junkyard.

Pickup coils are about $13 at the local auto parts store, so it'd probably
be worth replacing to see if it's the problem.  And if the distributor is
very old then it'll probably need one before long anyway.  It's not very
difficult to replace if you can get the distributor out in one piece.  :)  

Good luck.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme  

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:19:45 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: more roadblox

Hey Andy,

You had me on the floor laughing.  Good story!

Chris

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:42:33 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Subject: Reproducing..pitted pot metal    sample

In rec.autos.antique i have posted a picture showing a sample of
metalforming, and how it can help in your need for trim you can't find, or
replacing badly pitted potmetal. All work is handmade, and fit is
excellent, using your piece as a sample to work by. More info email to  
maldana@quix.net 

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:33:26 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Rick-- Re: Attention all 1964-65 442/Cutlass Owners...

<snip>
>I have a little network of friends that have things when I 
>need them so I just let people know when I can get them parts or when 
>I cant..
>
>
>Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
>
>
- ------------------------------------

That's EXACTLY what I'm trying to get started here-- A network of '64-65
Cutlass/442 owners. Your decription of your '64 sounds fantastic! I'm
looking forward to seeing the pics!

Will keep you posted on developments on a frequent basis.

Later!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 15:06:16 -0500
From: Dave Hagen <dave@aera.org>
Subject: RE: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

See below.

- ----------
From: 	W30442CS@aol.com
Sent: 	Friday, August 01, 1997 8:43 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

ok!,ok!,ok!,lisen up! there is a salvage in okla. loaded with old olds,jet
stars,88`s,98`s,ect,  ect,ect, you get the picture?,i even saw a dynammic 88
conv.  i was there today 8-1-97.  i saw cars from 59 all way up to present
day. sorry no cutlass-442,i looked.                    if you need parts
email me and i will give you his ph#.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com


Thanks, Let's have her,, ___/___-____ 

Dave

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:10:42 -0700
From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Subject: Re: Steering Gear Repair 78-98

This information may be usefull to anybody that may need to replace a
seal on a steering box.

Back in January (snow & 20 deg F) the 78-98 pitman arm seal on the
steering gear box began leaking-a lot.

Bought a pitman arm puller and seal kit and tried to do this on jack
stands. The puller is a 'Lisle' brand and looks to be of very good
quality--but the instructions said not to use an impact wrench on the
lead screw--so I didn't.

Despite extreme tightening of the puller and as much beating on the lead
screw head as can be done on jack stands, the pitman arm wouldn't budge.
(yes, the pitman arm nut was off)

Put everything back together and went to work for snow operations-asked
the two mechanics for some advice on this.

Right after work they grabbed my keys; Up onto a lift...before I could
quote the puller instructions, about not using an impact wrench, the
impact wrench was on the puller ("Can't make any time or money turning
that thing by hand...")-the pitman arm popped right off. 

One of them put a pan under the box and the other one started the engine
and turned the steering wheel back and forth-this blew out the bottom
seal-the second seal wouldn't blow out ...so they punched two 3"
sheetrock screws into the seal screwed them in a bit, and pulled the
seal out using vice grips on the screws. 

A few minutes later I saw the seal kit instructions on the shop floor,
so...I mentioned that the single lip seal went in first and up top, and
the double lip seal went in last and on the bottom-("Yeah, I know. But I
put the double up top, and the single on the bottom, because your shaft
was worn a little so the thicker seal on the worn part will seal
better-It'll be fine-we do it all the time.").
 
Then they tightened the lash adjusting screw, on the top of the box, 1/4
turn. ("Don't ever tighten this more than a 1/4 turn at a time and then
test drive it right away, carefully") That removed a lot of play from
the steering. The whole thing was over in twenty minutes.

Well, it's August and the seal has not leaked at all.
I like to follow the book to a "T"...but who can argue with success!

I guess they appreciate all the donuts & coffee I send over to the shop. 

Kevin O'Brien

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:10:11 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Differential ID & swap

I went looking for the ID number stamped on the axle tube of the rearend in
the cutlass.  I found what looks to be a "CS" code.  That was my best guess
anyway, there was a lot of rust there and the letters don't show up well.
Does anyone know what gear ratio that stands for?  

Also, I was considering swapping the rearends between the Vista Cruiser and
the Cutlass if the cutlass has a gear ratio around 3.3, since the Vista
Cruiser could use a lower ratio than the 3.08 it has now.  Will I encounter
any problems with the swap?  If I remember correctly the '67 rear track is
an inch narrower than the `72.  Will this affect handling at all?  Or
anything else for that matter?  Will my 235/70/R15 tires still fit?

Thanks in advance for any info.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:05:44 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Clock/Tach

Does anyone have a combination clock/tach to fit a 1971 Olds 442
Convertible? Would pay reasonable price for one in working condition.

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:33:36 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)

>>$3500. Either something is majorly wrong (i.e. a "two-part" frame), or
>
>What's a "two-part" frame????????

One that's been rusted into two parts.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:33:43 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes

>      A compression test usually reveals the problem cylinder as it will have
>a much higher number than the rest due to part of it being occupied by
>anti-freeze.

Or lower, especially if it's blown through to another cylinder, since all
the pressure will escape into that cylinder or the water passage.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 17:35:11 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Dual gate on web page

Hello all,

With all the dual gate discussions, there is a Hurst ad I scanned in and
posted on the "AD" page of my web page.  I have another one of the same
era.  There was a key to lock out the competition gate.  Also you'll
find a 69 F-85 post W-31 ad.....they really advertised the 69 W-cars.

See it at http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 17:41:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: SPotter596@aol.com
Subject: Misc for sale PNW/ Am I the only list member in Portland?

In The process of putting the f85 into race ready shape, I have some
leftovers
that someone may want.Oddfire 225V6 with 3sp.(roto)400./obo, Rochester
350 Q-jet.,manifold etc..,125/obo , and a 400 block with pistons,was running
when pulled 50/obo.(67 cutlass)

All are negotiable. Newer parts on the motor.

The only analogy I can think of for the new 780 holley on the 403 with the C
heads
is; "Its like flushing the commode." the book says I should get 345Bhp with
the
Q-jet and 400.Anyone  guess on increased hp with the 780on the 403?

Now I got to got to find disc brakes to stop this monster.

I think I am the only listee in Pdx?
Steve Potter
65f85 ( everyone wants a 442,  Im in deep and loving it, am I crazy?)
65 cutlass (almost traded for a hottub)
50 bowtie deluxe.(the Purist)

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 18:21:04 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

At 02:21 AM 8/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>what does a complete dual-gate for a 70-72 go for now-a-days? i mean complete
>brackets,cables,top plate and all. thanks!
>
>brent
>1967 cutlass convertible
>

Brent

        They go for about $500.00 complete and nice.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 15:32:26 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Differential ID & swap

Greg,

	I blew out the rear end in my Vista Cruiser and checked with a friend who
had a Hollander Interchange manual which ones would fit.  Unfortunately, I
no longer have the list, but I do remember that there was something
different about the VC's rear end.  There was only a limited number of
rears that would fit.  I got a 12 bolt out of a 68 Cutlass Coupe.  If
someone on the list has access to an interchange manual, could they please
post which rears will fit on a 72 VC.

	If I were you Greg, I would do my homework before going through the
trouble of changing rear ends.  It is a real dirty and inconvenient job.
Not real difficult though.

	Question to the group:  Someone posted that H/O's all had boxed lower
control arms in order to handle the forces caused by the rear sway bar.  My
VC has a rear sway bar, but no boxed control arms.  Should I have them
boxed, or would that be a waste on a car that will never see a track?

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser



>Also, I was considering swapping the rearends between the Vista Cruiser and
>the Cutlass if the cutlass has a gear ratio around 3.3, since the Vista
>Cruiser could use a lower ratio than the 3.08 it has now.  Will I encounter
>any problems with the swap?  If I remember correctly the '67 rear track is
>an inch narrower than the `72.  Will this affect handling at all?  Or
>anything else for that matter?  Will my 235/70/R15 tires still fit?
>
>Thanks in advance for any info.
>
>Greg Pruett
>72 Vista Cruiser
>67 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 20:08:54 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: J.Chermack pls email me

At 10:45 AM 8/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim Chermack, can't seem to find your address,  pls email me, I'm interested in
>some motor mounts...
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442
>toddmorr@us.ibm.com
>

Todd

        My address is

C&M Classic Parts
1132 Chatmoss Drive
Virginia Beach, VA 23464
(757)474--0869

Thanks,
Jim Chermack

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 20:30:07 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Michigan Road Report

tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:
> 
> For those of you who are headed for Lansing in three short weeks from
> locations to the south or east of Toledo, Ohio, I have the following
> information to report:

Can't thank you enough for the travel information.  This is the route
our group was going to take into Dearborn.  I'm starting to get the
blues of this trip...

Anybody know what the Ohio Turnpike is like right now?

Thanks again,
Paul

- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:42:31 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: More Parts

Hi all just a few more parts I have kicking around that you might like or
need

1970-72 Power bench seat Works good			$150.00 Canadian
1970 Nos Supreme Grills					$200.00 Can.
1968 Hood hinges					$40.00 Can
1968-72 AM radios     Lots    				$20.00 Can.
1969-68 Power top switch					$50.00 Can.
1969-68 Power Antenna Switch				$25.00 Can.
1969-72 Power Trunk Unit 				$50.00 Can.
1970 Sales Brochure					$25.00 Can.
1961 F 85 Service Manual					$40.00   US
There will probably be more stuff as I clean out the Garage and basement 
If anyone is interested call me at 905-357-4454
Or E me at docbob@caninet.com

Robert Schinkel
1970 W-31
1970 442 Convertible
1970 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 21:05:56 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Last Call! Chicago Olds Meet This Sunday!

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> we won't have to read more of these announcements from Andy and
> he can get back to arguing with Mike Frederick about squeegees."

Dolt!  We were arguing about defoggers!

...weren't we???

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:10:39 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Michigan Road Report

At 08:30 PM 8/1/97 +0000, you wrote:

>Anybody know what the Ohio Turnpike is like right now?
>
>Thanks again,
>Paul

Paul, you can find out all about it at http://www.ohioturnpike.org/


Dan


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Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 21:23:52 +0000
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: 72 W-30 shell wanted

I am looking for a '72 Cutlass Supreme 442 W-30 Shell, preferably a
convertible with a blue paint code. Please email me at mackk@netinc.ca
if you know where to find one. Thanx.

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 05:23:34 +0000
From: "LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3  X7402" <j3910@boxer.navy.mil>
Subject: what happened?

I posted my appology, but it never showed on the system. It is 
possible that the sysops on ship lost it in the message que 
somewhere. I did put out to all a seriouse offical appology for my 
actions. I complied with in 24 hours of your ultimatum. Why am I no 
longer recieving messages?

Ben

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 18:39:25 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Olds Powered Porsche

Hi All,

	Recently there was a new member who introduced himself (something I will
do as well I promise) and among the cars he owned was a Fiat x1/9.  Another
member answered that he had always wanted to stuff a Toronado drivetrain in
a Fiat X1/9.   My appologies for not remembering your names, Eudora just
ate my Olds mailbox with all messages I had saved.

	I have converted an old Mercedes to F*rd power and in researching for that
project I picked up a book about swapping engines.  This book has a whole
bunch of articles from Hot Rod Magazine (I think) about people who have
done engine swaps.  The more common ones are Ch*vy in a Jag or Ch*vy in a
Datsun Z etc.  But, then there is the guy who took a Porsche 912 (the 4
cylinder 911) and cut out the back seat.  Then he mounted a Toro
drivetrain.  Then he went to a thrift store and purchased some suitcases
which he cut up and bolted together to cover the engine.  He put insulation
on the inside of the suitcases and bolted them over the engine.  The end
result was a Porsche 912 that looked like the back seat was full of
luggage.  With the 425 in the back seat, the weight distribution actually
IMPROVED, as did the handling.  According to the owner/builder this car
really got the attention of 911 owners when he would leave them behind in a
cloud of black smoke.

	I think the idea of a Toro drivetrain in an X1/9 sounds interesting (an
X1/9 was my first car).  The person who posted this idea said he had
measured the X1/9 and that a Toro drivetrain would fit.  If you read this,
please either post some more info, or since this topic is on the outskirts
of this newsgroup, you can e-mail me directly if you like.  My e-mail is:
enowacki@titan.com

	Sorry for the marginal Olds content, on the Mercedes newsgroup I am known
as the Heretic, this post may get me close to earning such a nickname on
this group as well.  

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:17:21 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes

 Igor,

Take a compression check.  Two adjacent cylinders lmuch lower than the
others is an indication that those 2 are the culprits.  Bubbles in the
radiator water is another indication of cylinder pressure going into the
water around the head.

4,000 rpms shouldn't be excessive.  these are usually 5,000 rpm or more
engines limited by the cam & valve train mostly.  Stock engines don't over
rev easily.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

- --



> I was wondering if anyone would know what the sympoms of a blown or
>leaking head gasket are?  How do you blow a gasket? Could it be just from
>old age?  I have got a 307 in 81 Delta and it seems to have lost some
>power, crapy idle especialy when cold, some smell and oscolating vacum
>gauge.  The gaskets are old (original 200,000 miles) and latley I have been
>reving the poor thing to around 4000 RPM, which seems to of have made the
>problem worse.  How do I determine if it is the gasket?
>P.S. What is the redline for this engine anyway?  Its all stock, I alway
>thought perhaps around 4000
>
>

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:21:36 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: FUSICK CLOSED?

Hello everyone,

I was wondering if anyone else has heard of Fusick Automotive be shut
down. Various people I know and myself included have tried to call
Fusick and the telephone lines have all been disconnectd. I went to
Fusick's webpage and it has been taken off of the internet too. If you
know anything please let me and everyone else know, thanks in advance.

Cliff McFarlane 
62 Starfire conv
63 Starfire coupe

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 21:29:37 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Greetings

Russell,

Those are wonderful cars & even a better story.  Thanks for sharing & good
luck w/the restoration.  Maybe you could give us an idea as to what part of
the world you live.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
1968 442 convertible




>Greetings from a new subscriber,
>
> It is wonderful to find so many Olds enthusiasts keeping these
>great cars running.  Thanks to Lisa Madsen and her web page for directing
>me to this list.
>
> I am the proud owner of two 1972 Cutlass Supremes.  One is a
>convertible and the other a hardtop.  I bought my convertible in 1981, the
>summer after I graduated from high school.  I spent the entire summer
>looking at Mustang, Chevy, and Lemans convertibles, but the Oldsmobile
>stood out from all of them.  I fell in love with it the first time I saw
>it (I think you all know what I mean). I paid $2200 dollars for it, drove
>it away, and have never seen a new car I like better.  It was my daily
>driver until 1990 when I inherited my Grandmothers 1972 Cutlass hardtop.
>By that time my convertible had 300,000 miles on it (ouch) and was in need
>of some TLC.  My Grandmothers car became my daily driver, and I began
>restoring my convertible.  Although marriage, kids, career changes, etc.
>have delayed my restoration plans, just keeping two 25 year old cars on the
>road is a challenge.  Thanks in advance for the help.
>
>Russell Coons
>
>1972 Cutlass Conv.
>1972 Cutlass
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:31:15 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Powered Porsche

Erik Nowacki wrote:
> 
> Another member answered that he had always wanted to stuff a Toronado 
> drivetrain in a Fiat X1/9.

Yikes!  Fix it again Tony ... if you can catch it.

> My apologies for not remembering your names, Eudora just ate my Olds 
> mailbox with all messages I had saved.

Been there.  Trashed Eudora.

> ... But, then there is the guy who took a Porsche 912 (the 4
> cylinder 911) and cut out the back seat.  Then he mounted a Toro
> drivetrain.  

Cool.  Would that be a A Torsche or a Poronado?

> According to the owner/builder this car really got the attention of 911 
> owners when he would leave them behind in a cloud of black smoke.

Oh, I'll bet!   :o   A *serious* cure for the smug.

> I think the idea of a Toro drivetrain in an X1/9 sounds interesting...

Me, too.  (Oops, sorry)  You may want to take this up with one of the 
Toro List members: Charles Morgan, mailto:cmorgan@efn.org or 1772 Happy 
Lane, Eugene, OR, USA 97401. He has a 65 Corvair with a 67 Toro 
motor/transaxle mounted in it.  At last report he was thinking about 
selling it or parting it out.  You might also want to take this up with 
the Toro-heads.  See the URL below for more information.

> Sorry for the marginal Olds content, on the Mercedes newsgroup I am 
> known as the Heretic, this post may get me close to earning such a 
> nickname on this group as well.

Double yikes!  See the plans for my 66 Toro (AKA, the Heretic) on 
Brycemans page.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 22:38:16 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: what happened?

LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
> 
> I posted my appology, but it never showed on the system. It is
> possible that the sysops on ship lost it in the message que
> somewhere. I did put out to all a seriouse offical appology for my
> actions. I complied with in 24 hours of your ultimatum. Why am I no
> longer recieving messages?

Kinda answered your own question, didn't you, Ben?

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 23:23:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: 60 olds 98 conv

A member of our local car club has a nice car for sale.
1960 Olds 98 Conv. White/Black top/Blue interior. 120K Asking $14,500.00
OBO.  His name etc: Bob Ackerman Tele: 616-894-7362,
e-mail:rackerman@homet.com  I have seen the car; it is very nice.  The
car is in Whitehall, MI.

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 97 22:50:18 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Auction prices...

I went to the Meadowbrook Invitational Car Auction over here in Rochester 
Hills, MI tonight. When I was there I picked up the "1997 Edition 
Collectible Vehicle Auction Results & Collector's Guide". This book is 
published by Kruse International. If anyone would like to know the 
average and highs/lows for their particular Olds, please let me know and 
I will publish here...

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 22:50:14 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: FUSICK CLOSED?

At 10:21 PM 8/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,
>
>I was wondering if anyone else has heard of Fusick Automotive be shut
>down. Various people I know and myself included have tried to call
>Fusick and the telephone lines have all been disconnectd. I went to
>Fusick's webpage and it has been taken off of the internet too. If you
>know anything please let me and everyone else know, thanks in advance.
>
>Cliff McFarlane 
>62 Starfire conv
>63 Starfire coupe

Cliff,

I just now (10:50 p.m. Eastern time on Friday) tried calling their number,
and I got their normal answering machine telling me their normal business
hours and offering to let me leave a message.  No evidence of disconnection.


Dan


************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 23:24:01 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: FUSICK CLOSED?

Cliff McFarlane wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone else has heard of Fusick Automotive be shut
> down. Various people I know and myself included have tried to call
> Fusick and the telephone lines have all been disconnectd. I went to
> Fusick's webpage and it has been taken off of the internet too. If you
>
> know anything please let me and everyone else know, thanks in advance.
>
> Cliff McFarlane
> 62 Starfire conv
> 63 Starfire coupe

   Cliff I hope they are not.....I just received a catalog from them
about a week ago. I have not tried to call though.


Terry Teague
1968 Delta Custom

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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 20:26:21 -0700
From: "Kaye K" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Subject: Paint Question

Does anyone know if the 1986 black paint, code #19, was a metallic paint? 
I stopped by the dealership this morning to check on the progress of my 442
and found to my dismay that they had painted the car a flat black.  My
memory might be wrong but I thought the car was originally black metallic. 
Also, could the metallic I'm remembering have been in the clear coat?

TIA
- -Kaye
1986 442 - Stolen/recovered
Now I'm broke!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Aug 97 00:09:56 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: X 1/9, Oldsmoporsche, etc

Erik Nowacki wrote:

.Another member answered that he had always wanted to stuff a Toronado 
drivetrain in a Fiat X1/9.   My appologies for not remembering your names, 
Eudora just ate my Olds mailbox with all messages I had saved.
     
     Erik,
     
     Twas I with the 455 Fiat fantasy (in fact, that was going to be my 
     license plate:  455 FIAT).  Ever since I saw my first X 1/9 at the 
     Boston auto show in 1974, I've wanted one.  Unfortunately, as you 
     probably know, after driving a series of 442s, the Fiat leaves a lot 
     to be desired in the horsepower department.  It is also funny that you 
     should mention the Petersen Engine Swapping book, as that Toro-Porsche 
     conversion was the thing that started me thinking.  I especially loved 
     the use of old luggage as the engine cover.
     
     Anyway (and this was a looong time ago), I managed to take a tape 
     measure to the empty engine compartment of an X 1/9 resident in a 
     wrecking yard.  Thanks to the transverse engine, width is no problem, 
     but length of the Toro drive is clearly a concern.  The dimension from 
     the back of the firewall behind the seats to the taillight panel of 
     the X 1/9 is slightly greater than the dimension from the front cover 
     of the 455 to the back cover of the drive chain on the Toro tranny.  
     The key here is that there is no room for the water pump or accessory 
     drives.  I figured that you would need to run an electric marine water 
     pump (quite common on Olds-powered jet boats) and hang the alternator 
     down low on a custom bracket (similar to what the street rodders do to 
     clean up their engine compartments).
     
     This is about the extent of my engineering.  I never did figure out if 
     the axle shafts ended up in the right place if you stuff the Toro 
     drive in the way I noted.  As I got to thinking about it, it was 
     obvious that there was no way that the Fiat rear suspension could 
     handle the weight of the 455.  This, of course, would necessitate a 
     tube subframe with a custom suspension, at which point I figured that 
     I mightaswell build a complete tube frame and simply hang the Fiat 
     sheet metal, Pro Street-style.  This last train of thought was 
     actually somewhat attractive, as by that time (1980) I had moved to 
     SoCal and was facing biannual emissions inspections.  I figured that 
     if the car was a self-constructed tube frame with the largest single 
     piece being a mid-60s Toro drivetrain, I would get out of the engine 
     swapping constraints and the need to run 1974 or newer (first year of 
     X 1/9 production) emissions controls.
     
     I friend of mine in SoCal also had an X 1/9 (a '75) and added the 
     large IMSA-style road race flares available from FAZA.  I always liked 
     the look of that package, in addition to the available Top Fuel-style 
     rear wing.  Just picture the car with the Toro drive, the outrageous 
     flares, the wing, and a Formula One snorkel scoop peeking up over the 
     rollbar.  Naturally, family, job, relocation to VA, divorce, 
     remarriage, and a flock of 442s have prevented me from getting any 
     closer to this fantasy, but it was always neat to dream about it.  It 
     is actually pretty cool to find someone as warped as I am on the need 
     to stuff way too much horsepower into an X 1/9.
     
     As an aside, once the Fiero came out, I naturally thought about doing 
     the same thing to it (although, I felt compelled to use a Poncho SD455 
     instead of the Olds - hey so long as you're dreaming...).  
     Unfortunately, there is actually _more_ room in the Fiat than there is 
     in the Fiero.  I found this hard to believe, but I actually drove both 
     cars.  Besides, the more I thought about it, the more the Fiero 
     actually cried out for an Aurora setup...
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:11:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Subject: Re: FUSICK CLOSED?

I placed an order this past Tues. and received it on Thursday; GREAT 
SERVICE.  The area code was change not too long ago.  details: 
Tele-860-623-1589 or 623-1583; FAX-860-623-3118.  they closed their web 
site-no business generated.  They did mention that they are closing for 
the centenial.  They are all going to Lansing!  Cool
Tom Adams  Grand Haven, MI

On Fri, 1 Aug 1997, Cliff McFarlane wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> I was wondering if anyone else has heard of Fusick Automotive be shut
> down. Various people I know and myself included have tried to call
> Fusick and the telephone lines have all been disconnectd. I went to
> Fusick's webpage and it has been taken off of the internet too. If you
> know anything please let me and everyone else know, thanks in advance.
> 
> Cliff McFarlane 
> 62 Starfire conv
> 63 Starfire coupe
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 00:06:31 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)

dedarnell@electro-matic.com wrote:
> 
> Robert Barry wrote:
> >Struck me as cheap, as I saw a clapped-out '71 convertible that *sold* for
> >$3500. Either something is majorly wrong (i.e. a "two-part" frame), or
> >they're just trying to sell it and don't know what others are gouging..,
> uh,
> >selling these for.
> 
> What's a "two-part" frame????????

hahahaha RUST holes.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:50:08 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Need this part, do you have it?

Hello all,

I need a cruise control vacuum servo with the mounting bracket, carb 
linkage, etc... maybe the bracket bolts too! :) 

It's for a 1971 4-4-2, 455 4/brl w/ac


Got one for a fair price?  Meet you at the Lansing show with cash in 
hand!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.
 

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:23:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: Auction prices...

yes whats the average for a 1967 cutlass convertible?   thanks

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:57:48 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Looking to trade SS 2 wheel

I have one SS II wheel for sale or trade for ONE SS I wheel.

EC, good tire, currently painted Saturn Gold, all chrome trim rings are 
intact.

Got one and going to the Lansing show?  Meet you there.


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 01:32:20 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale 

                              C&M Classic Parts

Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm
____________________________________________________________________ 
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $20.00 ea
65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (good cond)  $30.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $25.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
67 442 W-30 Core Suport (factory punched, end bent, no rust)  $110.00
67 Cutlass (plain, long) Front Wheelwell Moldings (mint)  $75.00 pr
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (nice)  $40.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $65.00
67 Front Bumper (very nice)  $110.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $55.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
67 442/Cutlass RH Fender (Arizona part)  $300.00
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $5.00
67 442 Trunk Panel (excellent)  $125.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Fender Emblems (paint nice, few tiny pits)  $15.00 ea
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
68-72 400/455 Notched Valve covers  $50.00 pr
69 Radiator Core Support (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
69 W/Z Exhaust Manifolds (w/ heat riser)  $200.00 pr
70-72 Gauge Lens (N.O.S)  $11.00 ea
70-72 W/Z Exhaust Manifolds (w/o heat riser)  $200.00 pr
71 Cutlass/442 Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
70-72 455 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $38.00 pr
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________     
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                           
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea                       
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $70.00 ea                             
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles  $115.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea               
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr                          
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea                              
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr          
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea               
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea            
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________      
64 Cutlass/442                       
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $40.00                                                   
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $8.00 ea                                            
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00                                      
V-8 Emblem  $5.00                                                             

66 Cutlass/442
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $230.00 set
Headlight Bezels  $40.00 pr                                                  
LH C/S Rear side molding  $10.00                                              
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr                        
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea                                  

67 Cutlass/442
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 LH Fender (Arizona part) Very nice  $300.00
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00
Full Wheel Covers  $40.00 set

68 Cutlass/442
68 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $25.00
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00                              
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea                                            
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $25.00 pr 
68/69 442 Front Fender LH (need small patch)  $145.00

69 Cutlass/442
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Dash Pad (mint, Gold)  $120.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $180.00 pr
69 Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
442 Hood Tongue  $35.00 ea                                                     
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr                                                       
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr                                          
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr                                        
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set                                 
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set                                
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $350.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $275.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea             
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
SSII Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
70 C/S Wide side moldings  $20.00 ea
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
S Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr                                        
S Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr                                        
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00                                  
Black A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea                  
Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)                  
70-71 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (needs patch panel)   $145.00                               
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits)  $8.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 4)  $160.00                                       
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr 
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
SSII/III Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00                                          
72 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (excellent)  $110.00 set  
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr                     
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
               
We will be closed for two weeks from 18th of August to the 2ndof September
for Nationals.  We can bring prepaid orders to Lansing. 

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
OCA #24275
67 442 W-30 Trac-Pac
67 Cutlass Supreme
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
'72 442 (350)
'94 Cutlass Supreme  
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 00:33:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Subject: vin # & timing chain

Hello again!

A previous message regarding my timing chain in my 1986 "98"  v6 led me to
believe it was time to change the plastic cam gear before the resulting
(possible) failure trashed the motor.

Unit has 139.000 miles and runs perfect - and I would like to keep driving
so I can save a few bucks to restore my 65 F85 & 74 442.

After checking with local shop, I was told that my motor came with Both all
metal or combo of metal & plastic.

I was told that the vin # 1G3CX69B9G1324178 identifies the motor with the
eighth letter (B) as having the all metal gear & chain (nothing to worry
about) and "A" ment a Plastic gear that would be up for replacement.

I would like to make it to Lansing (and back) with this car, and definitly
will not do any work it does not need.

I was also told this motor was "non interference" and would NOT take out
anything else if the timing chain/gear failed.

I would appreciate any help on this before I spend money .

Jeff

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 01:38:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: super sport 1 wheels

what does a set of 4 nice ss1 wheels go for. i want to put a set on my 67
convertible upon completion. thanks!

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 23:45:16 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Question

Kaye K wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if the 1986 black paint, code #19, was a metallic paint?
> I stopped by the dealership this morning to check on the progress of my 442
> and found to my dismay that they had painted the car a flat black.  My
> memory might be wrong but I thought the car was originally black metallic.
> Also, could the metallic I'm remembering have been in the clear coat?
> 
> TIA
> -Kaye
> 1986 442 - Stolen/recovered
> Now I'm broke!
No it wasn't metallic. I don't even think the grey was metallic niether.
there just flat or glossy looking.
                  Terrance

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 02:09:48 -0400
From: John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Subject: Where does that RTV go?

My wife and I are just finishing our first 350 Rocket rebuild and were
wondering what happens to the extra RTV that oozes into the engine via
sealing the oil pan and intake gaskets? We're using High temp gasket
maker, the orange stuff.
.......j

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 02:29:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: Michigan Road Report

if you travel it durin the day or low traffic times its not that bad goin
through the construction. me and my dad traveled to detroit a month ago and
used the turnpike through toledo, it wasn't bad at all. hope this helps and
hope to see you there.

brent
1967 cutless convertible (a work in progress)

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 03:53:40 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Question

> 
> > Does anyone know if the 1986 black paint, code #19, was a metallic
paint?
> > I stopped by the dealership this morning to check on the progress of my
442
> > and found to my dismay that they had painted the car a flat black.  My
> > memory might be wrong but I thought the car was originally black
metallic.
> > Also, could the metallic I'm remembering have been in the clear coat?


> No it wasn't metallic. I don't even think the grey was metallic niether.
> there just flat or glossy looking.

Agreed, it was not metallic.  The paint code for #19 is a regular gloss
black with no metallic added to either the color or the clear.  The flat
may be that they are base/clearing it and have not put the clear on yet.  I
had an 87 442 gray/silver and the gray was metallic.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: 2 Aug 1997 01:11:16 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Oil Pressure and carpet/headliner color

Hello again, I have a few more questions that I bet someone can answer
for me..

1.  My oil pressure for the last 2-3 weeks at cold/warm engine
temperatures has been at least 10 PSI _higher_ than it used to(up from
40 to 50).  Could the pump be starting to go out?  And also, sometimes
the gauge will dip and bump around when I'm at idle, sometimes it won't.
I use 10W40 oil..  I did use 20W50 for a while but I switched back when
I got knocking at engine startup.

2.  My Delta has a Carmine interior.  I need a new headliner and carpet,
because the headliner is sagging and the carpet is torn up.  What color
closely matches Carmine?  In my J.C. Whitney catalog some of their kits
have "Firethorn Red" and "Red" and "Maroon/Burgandy"..  I am totally
lost on this one, due to the fact the Calif. sun has worn the finish off
a number of my interior panels (probably will repaint to original
color).

Thank you
Mike Jones
'78 88 2Dr.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 07:28:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure and carpet/headliner color

On 2 Aug 1997 mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> 2.  My Delta has a Carmine interior.  I need a new headliner and carpet,
> because the headliner is sagging and the carpet is torn up.  What color
> closely matches Carmine?  In my J.C. Whitney catalog some of their kits
> have "Firethorn Red" and "Red" and "Maroon/Burgandy"..  I am totally
> lost on this one, due to the fact the Calif. sun has worn the finish off
> a number of my interior panels (probably will repaint to original
> color).

Mine is the same way. The interior is about 5 different shades of red. 
The headliner (also getting saggy in spots) is what I would call carmine 
(standard version of red), the door panels more of a deep red, almost 
maroon, the dash has almost a brownish-red shade, the armrests have faded 
to a pinkish-red... a real treat for the eyes. ;-) I think firethorn red 
is a very bright red, almost orangey, from what I recall. I was looking 
at some vinyl colorant kits from Mar-Hyde in the parts store the other 
day and the only red they had in stock was the firethorn. I didn't buy it 
but it was more because of not knowing how well it worked and held up 
rather than the color match. You put the stuff on with a foam applicator 
rather than spraying it. Anyone ever use this stuff?  

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 97 08:13:41 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Auction prices...

>yes what's the average for a 1967 cutlass convertible?   thanks

Only one 1967 car is listed for this, unfortunately.

A 1967 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, #3 condition, SOLD for $5,500.

As I peruse the 1968 section, what's this?

A 1968 Olds 98 Two Door Convertible, #3 condition, SOLD for $45,000.

That's right, SOLD for 45 grand! The buyer had put the reserve at $8,300, 
guess the new buyer made his day...and #3 condition to boot, strange... 
It was a 455 car as well...


Last night I saw these Olds...

1970 Cutlass Convertible, #2 condition, SOLD for $12,000.
1972 Cutlass 442 W-30, #3 condition, SOLD for $11,500.
1971 442, #3 condition, buyer would not sell at $10,000.

Overall, I thought these were premium prices considering the condition 
the cars were in. The 70' Cutlass Convertible was that deep green, a 
color I find, well, let's put it this way, I wouldn't buy the car because 
of that color. Regardless of the color, the car was the best by far of 
the group and was sold by the original owner. There is a 1975 Olds 88 
convertible to be auctioned today. It's robin egg blue, white top, white 
interior and as clean, as clean gets, considering its 6,000 original 
miles. Too bad it doesn't have 60,000 as the price is sure to be up there 
because of it's mileage. If it did have 60 K on the odometer, it would 
most likely go for a more reasonable price and I would be down there 
bidding on it myself. It is a solid #2 condition and judging the quality 
of the paint, interior, chrome may pass as a #1. The book shows a #3 that 
went for $13,500. My guess that reserve for this car will be in the 
Twenty's and it won't sell.


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 08:30:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Tranny Fluid

        Hi Guys, 
                     What kind of tranny fluid should I use in my 1966 Delta
88? I know that I can't get straight Dexron anymore. Should I use Dexron 2
straight or blend, or should I use Dexron 3 straight or blend. Thanks for the
help.


Crazy Eddie
1966 Delta 88
1980 Toronado Diesel

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 09:08:33 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: super sport 1 wheels

On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, BMAN6771@aol.com wrote:
>what does a set of 4 nice ss1 wheels go for. i want to put a set on my 67
>convertible upon completion. thanks!
>
>brent
>1967 cutlass convertible
>

One place to call is Coker Tire.  They have new SSI wheels for the 
following...

 SIZE        PRICE EACH

14 x 6        $127.50
14 x 7        $130.00
15 x 6        $130.00
15 x 7        $130.00

Their cost for new center caps is kinof high, $40.50 each.  Year One sells 
them for $33.50 each.

Coker Tire  1-800-251-6336

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 09:19:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure and carpet/headliner color

On 2 Aug 1997 mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:

> 2.  My Delta has a Carmine interior.  I need a new headliner and carpet,
> because the headliner is sagging and the carpet is torn up.  What color
> closely matches Carmine?  In my J.C. Whitney catalog some of their kits

My parents had a '65 Cutlass Conv. - white with carmine red interior.  We
have a set of JCW burgundy/maroon seat covers for a '76 Blazer.  The seat
covers are NOT even close to the red interior.

Hope that helps a little.

Don Sugarman

> 

sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 08:42:59 -0500
From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Subject: Re: Auction prices...

Hey Mike, i'd like the phone # for the guy who bought that 68' Convt.
in # 3 condition for 45K--man i have some cars to sell him!!! Maybe the
trunk was filled with gold and was driven by Elvis Presley??? (Smile)
Thanks for posting those!!!

Michael Brady OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 chapter

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 10:51:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Auction prices...

mike, what are values of; 70 rallye 350 h-coupe,70 w31 4spd.,h-coupe, and 71
442 h-coupe,  thanks steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:13:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

hauf auto supply,stillwater,okla.,(405)-372-1586),  tell them steven sent you
ok.                  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:34:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Subject: Oil Pan-- Centennial swap spots

I ran across a rather odd looking oil pan the other day and wondered what it
came off of.  The pan is somewhat offset with respect to the block.  Shifted
to what to the drivers side of the car if I'm not mistaken.  It also has a
crank scraper that channels the oil off of the crank back to the sump area
of the pan.  It then has a windage try near the sump.  The plumbing for the
pick up is also rather odd with several extensions which lower it deeper
into the pan.  The engine is a 68-72 455ci that was in a boat.  I was
wondering if anyone has seen anything like this before.  (Is this a toro pan??)

Also,  does anyone know how much vendor/swap spots are in Lansing this
year???  Are any left??


Thanks,

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:40:41 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: "F" Stamping

Hi 

Have a question about the F code on the rear of the 455 engines
In FAQ its mentioned that F5 and F6 have higher nickel content 
In a mondello article I read he mentioned that the lower F0 F00 F1 and so
on up
to F4 were the better block to use for performance
As I remember the F10 were the worst blocks incapable of being bored out
more then 0.45 over because
of thin water jackets
I personally have been stocking up on F1 and F2 blocks for my own use for
years now 
and just would like some clarification to this
By what I was told that the only place you may find a F0 block is a 68 Toro
or a 68 Hurst
Won't these motors have gotten the better Block Castings?

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 11:02:16 -0500
From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Subject: Brake Part Question

I'm sorry to say that I'm going to have to skip the disk brake swap on my
Olds, I'll be going to school soon and don't want to to leave the car up
here in Dallas on stands. I am going to go ahead and put in all new brake
hardware and wheel cylinders, so that should help. I'm also going to put in
a dual chamber master cylinder.

I'd like to find out which full size Olds had front and rear drums but had
a dual chamber master cylinder. I need one of these for a car with power
brakes. I haven't found a parts store around here that really knows
anything, so that is why I ask you all.

Once I get this master cylinder, I am wondering how the brake lines are
routed. I suppose I need to go take a good look at that brake line junction
block thingy and see what goes where.

If anyone has a really nice master cylinder like the one I described, let
me know. If not, I'd like to know what I should ask for at the parts store.
Thanks!
Nick

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:05:09 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: BB heads

Is it possible to put BB heads on a 350?
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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:07:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: super sport 1 wheels

ok,so what does a used set go for?

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Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:00:44 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: "F" Stamping

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Have a question about the F code on the rear of the 455 engines
> In FAQ its mentioned that F5 and F6 have higher nickel content
> In a mondello article I read he mentioned that the lower F0 F00 F1 and so
> on up
> to F4 were the better block to use for performance
> As I remember the F10 were the worst blocks incapable of being bored out
> more then 0.45 over because
> of thin water jackets
> I personally have been stocking up on F1 and F2 blocks for my own use for
> years now
> and just would like some clarification to this
> By what I was told that the only place you may find a F0 block is a 68 Toro
> or a 68 Hurst
> Won't these motors have gotten the better Block Castings?
Bob.....where do I look for the F code.....can I see it without pulling
the engine.  Wayne

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Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 13:30:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Auction prices...

On Sat, 2 Aug 1997, Mike Hall wrote:
> 1970 Cutlass Convertible, #2 condition, SOLD for $12,000.
> Overall, I thought these were premium prices considering the condition 
> the cars were in. The 70' Cutlass Convertible was that deep green, a 
> color I find, well, let's put it this way, I wouldn't buy the car because 
> of that color. Regardless of the color, the car was the best by far of 
> the group and was sold by the original owner.

This sounds like the same car that my friend Donnie owns, a '70 Cutlass 
convert that is in just about perfect condition, and won first in class 
at the '95 Olds Nationals. It is a medium-dark green metallic with a 
green interior. It's a beautiful car, but that color does nothing for me 
and with the green inside also it's just too much. Funny how a color can 
make such a difference.

But I bet he'll be glad to hear that it might go for $12K US!


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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