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oldsmobile-digest          Saturday, 7 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 710

Re: air con bracket alignment
Re: Old Olds Info Needed
Re: Old Olds Info Needed
Re: Olds for Sale
Re: Olds for Sale
Re: Olds for Sale
Re: Bad Cat!!! Bad Cat!! The last Meow!
HELP!!!NEED FUEL PUMP 62 STARFIRE
New Digest member (can't read yet)
70 4 dr power seat for sale
Attn.: Olds owners in Toronto, Canada area
Re: Bad Cat!!! Bad Cat!! The last Meow!
Carb choke ?
Re: air con bracket alignment
'nother Olds fer sale.
UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)
Re: New Digest member (can't read yet)
66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
[Fwd: Oldsmobile Wall hangings For Sale]
some fast Olds at the track tonight
Various Notes
Re: 61 98 For Sale
Re: 58 Olds Super 88
Re: Old Olds Info Needed
Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
The last Meow!
Re: Olds for Sale
Re: New Digest member (can't read yet)
Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: 'nother Olds fer sale.
Re: Cutlass for trailering???
Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)
Re: Carb choke ?
Offenhauser site
Re: Get me off of this List!!!!!
Re: Offenhauser site (DO NOT GO)
Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)
Re: Olds for Sale
69 H/O sitting in field in Montana (the scoop)
Re: Get me off of this List!!!!!
Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)
Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: Carb choke ?
Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)
Re: 58 Olds Super 88
Parts for 1964 Cutlass
Freon-12 Replacements
Re: New Digest member (can't read yet)
Re: Cutlass for trailering???
Re: Offenhauser site
Re: Freon-12 Replacements
Hello, 100th?

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From: kennelson5@juno.com (Ken D Nelson)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 16:59:02 -0300
Subject: Re: air con bracket alignment

This is also part of one of my ques. Did  the 350 and the 455 had the
SAME brackets and we could use either one by using the correct holes for
the specific motor. My application is 350 and I got air cond. brackets
from a 455 am I correct In assuming they should fit?


On Wed, 4 Jun 1997 13:39:29 -0300 Oldsparts@aol.com writes:
>The reason the air con bracket bolt does not align is usually because
>soneone
>has cut (milled) the heads.  If the intake is/was not cut to match,
>you will
>develop this problem.  Hope this helps.  Steve Kenny   Brothers
>Automotive
>Products   800-442-7278    www.oldsparts.com    oldsparts@aol.com
>
>

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:28:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Old Olds Info Needed

Hey - you older Olds owners (not you, the cars) don't just sit there - he=
lp
this guy out.  See if you can assist a  layman who happens to seem to hav=
e
access to a potentially really nice car -=20

Thanks for the e-mail.  I have not had any responses regarding the 1955 O=
lds
that was my grandparent=92s car.  In fact, that car was the only car my
grandmother ever drove.  The car sits in a garage in northern Ohio (Elyri=
a)
about 35 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio.

By the way, let me know what value the car may have in its present condit=
ion
and in a restored condition - and an approximate cost to restore it.  I l=
ive
in Washington state, and if I decided to restore it for myself, I'd have =
to
transport it out here.

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:42:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Old Olds Info Needed

Hey - you older Olds owners (not you, the cars) don't just sit there - he=
lp
this guy out.  See if you can assist a  layman who happens to seem to hav=
e
access to a potentially really nice car -=20

Thanks for the e-mail.  I have not had any responses regarding the 1955 O=
lds
that was my grandparent=92s car.  In fact, that car was the only car my
grandmother ever drove.  The car sits in a garage in northern Ohio (Elyri=
a)
about 35 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio.

By the way, let me know what value the car may have in its present condit=
ion
and in a restored condition - and an approximate cost to restore it.  I l=
ive
in Washington state, and if I decided to restore it for myself, I'd have =
to
transport it out here.

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 17:28:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds for Sale

I got this message from my web page.  Can any of you Canadian's welcome &
give him some advice on his part(s) needs?


<center><smaller>HI Lisa,

          My name is Hazen McKeil and i am 75 yrs old.I have owned a 1964
olds 98,convertable for 28+ yrs.and i wish to sell.Can you advise me
how??It is very good shape and i shall include an extra motor and
numerous other parts.If you know of interested party,i would be happy to
forward more information and pictures.

         I also have a 1965 olds starfire that needs a switch cable no.
2.895 for the directionals,the switch has the same number.It is a small
gage wire controlling the switch.Perhaps you know where i can get this
part.

         Nice to know there are people out there that love these old
beauties  as much as i do!!

                                               Thanks for being
there!!!Yours truly


                                                             H.McKeil

email  jwdobson@rapidnet.net                     2890 Laurnell cres.


Abbotsford,B.C


Canada


v2s-3l3



</smaller></center>

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:45:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds for Sale

I got this message from my web page.  Can any of you Canadian's welcome &
give him some advice on his part(s) needs?


<center><smaller>HI Lisa,

          My name is Hazen McKeil and i am 75 yrs old.I have owned a 1964
olds 98,convertable for 28+ yrs.and i wish to sell.Can you advise me
how??It is very good shape and i shall include an extra motor and
numerous other parts.If you know of interested party,i would be happy to
forward more information and pictures.

         I also have a 1965 olds starfire that needs a switch cable no.
2.895 for the directionals,the switch has the same number.It is a small
gage wire controlling the switch.Perhaps you know where i can get this
part.

         Nice to know there are people out there that love these old
beauties  as much as i do!!

                                               Thanks for being
there!!!Yours truly


                                                             H.McKeil

email  jwdobson@rapidnet.net                     2890 Laurnell cres.


Abbotsford,B.C


Canada


v2s-3l3



</smaller></center>

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From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:03:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds for Sale

Hi James Thingwold who wrote about the 75 year old fellow with the 2 Oldses
for sale.  I will email him directly, and put his ads in our next B.C. Olds
Club newsletter, seeing as he is in our area.

Sherry Soball
B.C. Olds Club
email:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca
- --

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:09:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Bad Cat!!! Bad Cat!! The last Meow!

Back when my dad drove the 98..one of my sister's was a cat
lover..always had a few..still does...my other sister went out and
started up the 98..cool day and it seems one of the cats was warming up
under the hood somewhere..I have my own imitation of the last
me-ooooowww. Every one felt sorry for my sister but my heart went out to
dad who had to clean up the mess and play undertaker. Turned out the 98
has nine lives not the cat.
They all rap on the hood a few times before they start up a car
nowadays.
Kevin O'Brien 78-98

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From: LARRY POLESNAK <bullets@sgi.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:04:06 -0300
Subject: HELP!!!NEED FUEL PUMP 62 STARFIRE

HI ,EVERYONE I NEED TO LOCATE A FUEL PUMP FOR MY 62 STARFIRE .CAN ANYONE
HELP THANK YOU LARRY POLESNAK, PITTSBURGH,PA.

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From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 18:53:32 -0300
Subject: New Digest member (can't read yet)

Name - Elias Frederick Nicholson
Date - 5/31/97 @ 6:45pm
Weight - 8lbs. 13.8oz
Length - 21 inches
Water broke 12:20am 5/31/97 (Fri night), delivered by Cezarean section @
St. Josephs Hospital in Towson, MD

NOW I have to watch the keys for the 442, but he can borrow the LSS
anytime.

Just lucky that my wife's great grandfather's name was Elias, cuse we're
calling him Eli for short (yes as in Ransom Eli Olds)

 ---
| | | Brad AND ELIAS Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Oldsmobile Centennial Club - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occhome.html
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:26:00 -0300
Subject: 70 4 dr power seat for sale

1970 4 dr. power seat    $150.00
small tears in seat.
please respond to yorcoy@aol.com

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:59:07 -0300
Subject: Attn.: Olds owners in Toronto, Canada area

Hey folks ...

I am looking into getting the timing chain in my '74 Ninety-Eight replaced:
would anyone recommend/advise against any local machine shops or engine
rebuilders?  I can't do this job myself right now, so I'll have to take it
somewhere ... any advice?

Thanks in advance ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:05:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Bad Cat!!! Bad Cat!! The last Meow!

In a message dated 97-06-06 17:21:29 EDT, you write:

>
>  Back when my dad drove the 98..one of my sister's was a cat
>  lover..always had a few..still does...my other sister went out and
>  started up the 98..cool day and it seems one of the cats was warming up
>  under the hood somewhere..I have my own imitation of the last
>  me-ooooowww. Every one felt sorry for my sister but my heart went out to
>  dad who had to clean up the mess and play undertaker. Turned out the 98
>  has nine lives not the cat.
>  They all rap on the hood a few times before they start up a car
>  nowadays.
>  Kevin O'Brien 78-98
>
>
A similar thing happened about 20 (wow! [feeling old.]) years ago.

Same story.

Neighbor's cat.

My father's Oldsmobile.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago,IL

Eat Gristle Raw?

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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:29:39 -0300
Subject: Carb choke ?

O.K.  I just bought a 69 442 conv.  The previos owner replaced the carb
with a w-30 unit (ª7029254), unfortunatly he jerry rigged the choke
thermostat.  I would like to replace it the right way, but nobody seems
to carry it.  Is there anybody that still has it, or could I use a
different model considering the manifold is still the same?

P.S.  How would judges look at my car if I changed the interior color
from tan to black?  Would this depreciate the value?  It would look a lot
nicer with the gold exterior.

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 20:59:20 -0300
Subject: Re: air con bracket alignment

At 04:59 PM 6/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>This is also part of one of my ques. Did  the 350 and the 455 had the
>SAME brackets and we could use either one by using the correct holes for
>the specific motor. My application is 350 and I got air cond. brackets
>from a 455 am I correct In assuming they should fit?
>

The big and small blocks used different brackets.  The brackets bolt to
both the head and water pump, usually, and the big block's heads are
farther away.  When doing a big-small block change, the only bracket that
won't work right is the A/C.  The newer R4 compressor was never offered on
a big block, so that bracket is unique.  You'll need to find a 455's A/C
setup to get the proper brackets for your application.



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 19:14:27 -0300
Subject: 'nother Olds fer sale.

A lady I work with just bought a new c*ddy s*s and now needs to get rid
of her Cutlass. It's a '77 Salon more or less loaded and original. It
even has the factory 8-track. 350 4bbl power everything. For more info
email me in private.

Danny

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:09:21 -0300
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)

Remember what we were talking about last night? This is it....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
X-Sender: bullets@sgi.net
Date:Fri, 6 Jun 1997 14:04:06 -0300
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
From:LARRY POLESNAK <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: H*LP!!!NEED FUEL PUMP 62 STARFIRE

HI ,EVERYONE I NEED TO LOCATE A FUEL PUMP FOR MY 62 STARFIRE .CAN ANYONE
H*LP THANK YOU LARRY POLESNAK, PITTSBURGH,PA.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:11:20 -0300
Subject: Re: New Digest member (can't read yet)

Brad,

Congrats!

Eli sounds like he's already a big-block guy at almost 9 lbs... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:45:30 -0300
Subject: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

1. I removed my power steering pump and all other accesories to clean and
paint my engine. The pump worked when I took it off. It sat dry but still
assembeled, save for the internals, for 3 mo. I re-installed the pump with
new hoses, and it does'nt pump. Usually you can see the fluid boiling around
in there, HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what did I do wrong, what do I need to trouble
shoot and to fix it.

2. My engine runs great off of a gas can of fresh gas, but crappy off of the
tank. I have drained all the gas twice from the fuel tank, and added fresh
fuel. Once I get the car started it runs fairly well, but doesn't wanna
idle. I have a clear fuel filter in-line, and when I am on the tank I can
see the fuel kinda squirting in the filter , but the filter should fill up
about 1/2 way right? It does off the gas can, but not the tank. So it kinda
starves for fuel when I punch it.
  Ok, so I know I need to pull the tank and clean it, and or any
obstructions in the lines, check for bent fuel lines and so on. A Pontiac
friend suggested Myratic Acid for a wash inside the tank. I know I need to
really flush it out good cause it's corosive to metal.
 A. Has anybody used this acid
 B. How much and what concentrate does it work best
 C. What problems can I encounter removing the tank, what do I need to do
besides remove the straps?

Please somebody help with some advice.....
                                          Robert Knowles
                                          66 Cutlass
                                          Ft.Worth, Texas

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From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:45:48 -0300
Subject: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

1. I removed my power steering pump and all other accesories to clean and
paint my engine. The pump worked when I took it off. It sat dry but still
assembeled, save for the internals, for 3 mo. I re-installed the pump with
new hoses, and it does'nt pump. Usually you can see the fluid boiling around
in there, HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!what did I do wrong, what do I need to trouble
shoot and to fix it.

2. My engine runs great off of a gas can of fresh gas, but crappy off of the
tank. I have drained all the gas twice from the fuel tank, and added fresh
fuel. Once I get the car started it runs fairly well, but doesn't wanna
idle. I have a clear fuel filter in-line, and when I am on the tank I can
see the fuel kinda squirting in the filter , but the filter should fill up
about 1/2 way right? It does off the gas can, but not the tank. So it kinda
starves for fuel when I punch it.
  Ok, so I know I need to pull the tank and clean it, and or any
obstructions in the lines, check for bent fuel lines and so on. A Pontiac
friend suggested Myratic Acid for a wash inside the tank. I know I need to
really flush it out good cause it's corosive to metal.
 A. Has anybody used this acid
 B. How much and what concentrate does it work best
 C. What problems can I encounter removing the tank, what do I need to do
besides remove the straps?

Please somebody help with some advice.....
                                          Robert Knowles
                                          66 Cutlass
                                          Ft.Worth, Texas

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From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:51:22 -0300
Subject: [Fwd: Oldsmobile Wall hangings For Sale]

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Got this in the mail, thought someone here might be interested.


>I have a couple of old Oldsmobile wall hangings that I would like to know if
>you can help determine what they are worth.
>
>Both are made of a bamboo type material and approx. 3' by 3.5' in size.  One
>is from 1956 and the other is from 1957.  I think they came from a local car
>dealer.  I would be glad to describe in detail if someone is interested.
>
>Can you help or point me in the right direction.  I would like to find
>someone that is really in to Oldsmobiles and sell them.

>Thanks for your help
>Mitch
>MK1117@aol.com


 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
eiMail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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I have a couple of old Oldsmobile wall hangings that I would like to know if
you can help determine what they are worth.

Both are made of a bamboo type material and approx. 3' by 3.5' in size.  One
is from 1956 and the other is from 1957.  I think they came from a local car
dealer.  I would be glad to describe in detail if someone is interested.

Can you help or point me in the right direction.  I would like to find
someone that is really in to Oldsmobiles and sell them.

Thanks for your help
Mitch


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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 22:58:45 -0300
Subject: some fast Olds at the track tonight

I just came back from test-n-tune at the local track and wow wee where there
some fast rockets there.  There was a 68 442 W/30 running 10.78..this in the
1/4mile and the engine was 100% Olds...he has a seriously built 455. There
was another 84 Buick Regal with an Olds 455 running 12.13. Totally stock 69
H/O turned 13.8. There was a 72 Cutlass Supreme that I didn't see run but
his old dial in time on the winshield said 10.10...damn! I gotta bring the
16 second 80 442 to the track, there were a few Ford Probes it could hang
with ;-) Fun night racing, I need to build me an Olds racer bad!

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (Olds442@Rocketship.com)
93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:09:57 -0300
Subject: Various Notes

Been away for a few days on a business trip... no decent Olds sightings
anywhere! But here are a few items that may be of interest...

Remember I mentioned the late-model GM/Delco 10-ohm speakers I picked up
at a swap meet? Last weekend I replaced the reconed original 6x9 in the
back deck with one of these. Much bigger magnet and what a difference in
sound! Makes the old 8-track player sound like a CD (well, almost...).
Now I definitely have to get a matching late model 4x10 for the front. If
you're into keeping your setup relatively original these are definitely
the way to go.

The '83 Hurst/Olds I was thinking of buying slipped out of my hands. It
was for sale at $5K Canadian for a few days before I could get to the town
it lived in and by the time I got there it was gone. To make matters worse
I am now getting reports of it sighted here in town with the message "you
should have bought it... real nice!" Damn.

Now I am tracking down an '84 98 2-door for sale about 2 hours from here,
reported to be mint, same price... also what must be the world's nicest
'87 Cutlass 2-door advertised at $7800... sounds too pricey for me.
Various others around here for sale in the $2K-$3.5K range, but these are
all well-used and not ones I'd want... so far. The search for a good used
car continues...

BTW, Avis supplied me with a '97 Lumina for the trip... no Olds available.
The last Lumina I had for a rental was 5 or 6 years ago and I swore never
again... lousy dash design, very unsatisfying. This one was much nicer,
peppy (3.1 V-6), handled well, very quiet and comfy, a much better design
than the previous one. But it sure could use some character. The
philosophy seems to be that of car as appliance, not something you'd fall
in love with. But at least it had a red interior, not the gray I was
expecting...


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:15:16 -0300
Subject: Re: 61 98 For Sale

I'm going next week to look at this car, I'm going to bring cash and a
trailer, it will look good next to my other 61 and the 62 I have now.

Everett  OCA ª1961

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From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:33:21 -0300
Subject: Re: 58 Olds Super 88

>could you please tell me the horsepower and displacement for this car. It
>says it has a 401 Rocket and a 2-speed on the appraisal sheet. was there
>such an engine? I would really like to know how many horseys it has. thanx.

If your car has the correct engine, it's a 371 cubic inch displacement
engine.  The Dynamic 88 version with a 2 barrel carb had 265 hp,  the Super
88 version with a four barrel carb had 305 hp,  and the J2 three 2barrel
option was rated at 312 hp.  The transmission should be a four speed
hydramatic or a three speed standard.  Those were the only choices then.

hope this helps.

Elephant Engine Ernie

67-442
50- 88

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From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:34:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Old Olds Info Needed

Try looking in the Old Cars Price Guide which is put out by Krause
Publications, they publish Old Cars Weekly.  It can be found in most larg=
e
magazine shops or places like Border and Barnes and Noble.

lewman@mindpulse.com

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> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: Re: Old Olds Info Needed
> Date: Friday, June 06, 1997 5:29 PM
>=20
>=20
> Hey - you older Olds owners (not you, the cars) don't just sit there -
help
> this guy out.  See if you can assist a  layman who happens to seem to
have
> access to a potentially really nice car -=20
>=20
> Thanks for the e-mail.  I have not had any responses regarding the 1955
Olds
> that was my grandparent=92s car.  In fact, that car was the only car my
> grandmother ever drove.  The car sits in a garage in northern Ohio
(Elyria)
> about 35 miles west of Cleveland, Ohio.
>=20
> By the way, let me know what value the car may have in its present
condition
> and in a restored condition - and an approximate cost to restore it.  I
live
> in Washington state, and if I decided to restore it for myself, I'd hav=
e
to
> transport it out here.
>=20

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From: "CDHall" <cdhall@carol.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:52:09 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

> 2. My engine runs great off of a gas can of fresh gas, but crappy off of
the
> tank. I have drained all the gas twice from the fuel tank, and added
fresh
> fuel. Once I get the car started it runs fairly well, but doesn't wanna
> idle. I have a clear fuel filter in-line, and when I am on the tank I can
> see the fuel kinda squirting in the filter , but the filter should fill
up
> about 1/2 way right? It does off the gas can, but not the tank. So it
kinda
> starves for fuel when I punch it.

When you use the gas can, are you pumping thru the fuel pump? If you are,
then I would check all the fuel lines from the pump back to the tank for a
pin hole or rotten  rubber hose, especially above the tank or rear axle.
Sounds like it is sucking air into the line.

  Daniel Hall
  cdhall@carol.net
  68 Toro
  70 Toro
  70 SX W32

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:50:00 -0300
Subject: The last Meow!

When I was moving this last time I had to transport my Mama cat and her
latest litter, and once they got here & I got them out of my '67 they were
so freaked they kept getting up on top of the gas tank (somehow) and places
like that and one time when I drove to the store 2 dropped off on the
street (not going fast thankfully) and one consumed a bit too much carbon
monoxide and was ~very~ calm from then on!  We joke that the cat's never
any brains (as the Mama was a bit of a ditz) and the carbon monoxide just
helped her along to lobotomy ville.

Say Greg, did you ever get the cat out of your new '67 C/S?  We need to
combine all the cars with mice & the cars with cats & uh....do some natural
extermination.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:45:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds for Sale

Thanks Sherry for the help with the BC gentleman.  I'd like to see that go
to a good home.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:41:58 -0300
Subject: Re: New Digest member (can't read yet)

Congrats!!!

Let him drive the 442 hows he going to pick up any chicks in the LSS

Daren

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:48:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

Justin Koval wrote:
>
> Cool..Prettty close..Like i said, I was thinking of the junkyard in
> Peru..ACE is about 5-10 minutes from me.  Last I heard, they are trying to
> sell oeverything, getting out of the junkyard business I guess!Was looking
> for a car to turn into a stock car..they had a 1984 Olds we were gonna get,
> but never did.
>
> Justin
Are they still open? Do you know if they have any old Olds pre '72?
Looking for '65 88 parts.

Daren

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 23:06:33 -0300
Subject: Re: 'nother Olds fer sale.

Hi Danny,

> A lady I work with just bought a new c*ddy s*s and now needs to get rid
> of her Cutlass. It's a '77 Salon more or less loaded and original. It
> even has the factory 8-track. 350 4bbl power everything. For more info
> email me in private.

I bet that 77 is just as fast as the s*s!  Where are you and car located
and
how much.  What condition is it in (mechanically, cosmetically)?

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:39:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Cutlass for trailering???

Chuck.

(BTW nice chatting with you last week (browser permitting).)

My father's Oldsmobile was a 1976 Cutlass S four door. I remember it having a
trailer hitch but assume he had someone put it on.

Anyway, we had a trailer that we put considerable mileage on going round trip
from Chicago to Minneapolis/St.Paul and farther into north-central MN. I do
not recall serious bumper drag with the trailer _unhitched_ but of course
there is some when hooked up. This trailer was a covered cargo-only job with
wheels centered underneath the weight. That car was driven by three teen
males (including me) and still survived to its thirteenth birthday as I
recall (totalled by other driver's failing [sob]).

I do not know if this was what you were looking for but....


Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

(witticism)

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:49:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Cutlass Help ( Fuel Tank & Power Steering Blues)

At 11:52 PM 6/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> 2. My engine runs great off of a gas can of fresh gas, but crappy off of
>the
>> tank. I have drained all the gas twice from the fuel tank, and added
>fresh
>> fuel. Once I get the car started it runs fairly well, but doesn't wanna
>> idle. I have a clear fuel filter in-line, and when I am on the tank I can
>> see the fuel kinda squirting in the filter , but the filter should fill
>up
>> about 1/2 way right? It does off the gas can, but not the tank. So it
>kinda
>> starves for fuel when I punch it.

        One of the other areas you need to look at is the in tank filter
sock. If this starts to fall apart it will block the pickup tube going out
of the gas tank. They are not hard to replace but you have to drop the tank
to get at it. You might as well go all the way while your checking the fuel
lines. Have fun!

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:49:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb choke ?

At 11:29 PM 6/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>O.K.  I just bought a 69 442 conv.  The previos owner replaced the carb
>with a w-30 unit (ª7029254), unfortunatly he jerry rigged the choke
>thermostat.  I would like to replace it the right way, but nobody seems
>to carry it.  Is there anybody that still has it, or could I use a
>different model considering the manifold is still the same?
>
>P.S.  How would judges look at my car if I changed the interior color
>from tan to black?  Would this depreciate the value?  It would look a lot
>nicer with the gold exterior.
>

        Brothers offers the choke thermostat. They run about $70.00. As for
the interior change, OCA wouldn't dock points but AACA would. OCA doesn't
really car about exterior color changes as long as it was available that
year. Yes it will depreciate the true value of the car, especially to a
collector.  Personally I would do it the way you want to and enjoy it.
Especially if you have no plans in selling the car.

Jim Chermack

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:49:53 -0300
Subject: Offenhauser site

www.offenhauser.com


now linked to

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

(witticism)

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From: Travelenmn@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:36:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Get me off of this List!!!!!

me too  no more mail

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:38:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Offenhauser site (DO NOT GO)

sorry, (heh, heh) not the creators of Offy's tunnel ram. Sorry.



Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

(witticism)

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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 01:56:49 -0300
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)

Hello Larry, call fusick automotive for that fuel pump or i have one
that needs a rebuild, just put one on my 394 SkyRocket last month.

Michael Brady
OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 Chapter

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From: SPotter596@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:08:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds for Sale

Sherry, I think your chapter may be closest to me in portland or?
Any chance of an application? 17765 SW jersey ct Aloha. or97007(steve potter)
65f-85
65cutlass
50 chevy deluxe

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From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:35:59 -0300
Subject: 69 H/O sitting in field in Montana (the scoop)

A friend of mine living in Montana checked out that 69 H/O that was
sitting in the field.. I was hoping to snatch it up quick.  Here is the
scoop..




aaron armstrong wrote:
>
> Well I found it dude.
> And I talked to the guy who owns it (maybe)
> He has a bunch of cars in front of his house and a shop.
> I think he is a mechanic. And he did a bunch of work
> on the car and the guy didn't pay him. So he seized
> it. At some point the law says its legally his.
> So right now he says his waiting to see if the guy will pay him.
> He told me (he could be talking out his ass) that somebody has offered
> him $7500 for it. He says everything is factory. And since he has
> rebuilt the engine he has only put 200 miles on it. So i asked
> him if it was alright if I stopped by in a month or two to see
> what the situation was and he said that was fine. WE took a couple of
> pictures but none close up so I'll send them to you when we get the film
> developed. Sorry to disappoint you dude.

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 03:21:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Get me off of this List!!!!!

At 01:36 AM 6/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>me too  no more mail
>
>
  Did you bother to read the intro to this mail list?  Or are you in a
position where mommy or daddy should take care of these things for you?

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From: LARRY POLESNAK <bullets@sgi.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 00:11:10 -0300
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)

THANKS MIKE ,WHAT STATE ARE THEY IN? WHERE CAN I FIND THERE NUMBER..LARRY
              At 01:56 AM 6/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello Larry, call fusick automotive for that fuel pump or i have one
>that needs a rebuild, just put one on my 394 SkyRocket last month.
>
>Michael Brady
>OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 Chapter
>
>
>

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From: kovalj@dave-world.net (Justin Koval)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 09:55:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

I will try looking for ya sometime!!
They are still open now, yes!

Justin

>Justin Koval wrote:
>>
>> Cool..Prettty close..Like i said, I was thinking of the junkyard in
>> Peru..ACE is about 5-10 minutes from me.  Last I heard, they are trying to
>> sell oeverything, getting out of the junkyard business I guess!Was looking
>> for a car to turn into a stock car..they had a 1984 Olds we were gonna get,
>> but never did.
>>
>> Justin
>Are they still open? Do you know if they have any old Olds pre '72?
>Looking for '65 88 parts.
>
>Daren
>
>

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 10:13:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb choke ?

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
>
> O.K.  I just bought a 69 442 conv.  The previos owner replaced the carb
> with a w-30 unit (ª7029254), unfortunatly he jerry rigged the choke
> thermostat.  I would like to replace it the right way, but nobody seems
> to carry it.  Is there anybody that still has it, or could I use a
> different model considering the manifold is still the same?
>
> P.S.  How would judges look at my car if I changed the interior color
> from tan to black?  Would this depreciate the value?  It would look a lot
> nicer with the gold exterior.

Tan (saddle) is probably THE best interior color on a ragtop.  White
shows all the dirt (there will be dirt with the top down), and black
gets HOT in the sun.
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 11:25:31 -0300
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '62 Starfire Fuel Pump (fwd)

No problem larry-the number is 1-860-623-1589, good luck with your
Starfire!!!Ahh-those early 60s Oldsmobiles!!!

Michael Brady 61' Super 88 Holiday Coupe
OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar 1 chapter

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 12:43:58 -0300
Subject: Re: 58 Olds Super 88

In a message dated 97-06-07 06:22:15 EDT, you write:

<<
 >could you please tell me the horsepower and displacement for this car. It
 >says it has a 401 Rocket and a 2-speed on the appraisal sheet. was there
 >such an engine? I would really like to know how many horseys it has. thanx.

 If your car has the correct engine, it's a 371 cubic inch displacement
 engine.  The Dynamic 88 version with a 2 barrel carb had 265 hp,  the Super
 88 version with a four barrel carb had 305 hp,  and the J2 three 2barrel
 option was rated at 312 hp.  The transmission should be a four speed
 hydramatic or a three speed standard.  Those were the only choices then.

 hope this helps.

 Elephant Engine Ernie
  >>



      Howdee folks,

                               Been awhile since ive written to the group, i
got a new job and i get up at 3 AM and usually don't get home until about 4
in the afternoon plus i work a half day on my sixth day of my "week".

      Anyway .....  regarding 56 Oldsmobile engines.  In '56 there were only
two options for Olds engines er or you could say there was one standard
engine and a single option.  The first was a 230 hp 324 cid  2 barrel engine
and the second a 240 hp 324 cid four barrel engine.  That's it, the 371
didn't come along until 57 including the J2 option.
      Just a little bit of trivia on the early Olds Engines and
transmissions.
55 and earlier Olds 324s' have smaller intake ports and valves than the 56
engines and 55 and earlier four barrel intake manifolds won't fit a 56 engine
unless you put a dent in the lifter valley cover. 57 and later cylinder heads
will physically bolt on to 56 and earlier engines but the port matchup on
intake maniflolds will be off because of different cylinder deck heights,
also 57 and later cylinder heads have larger coumbustion chambers and valves.
 Offenhauser still offers an 8x2 bble intake manifold that uses Stromberg
carbureters and will fit all 64 and earlier Olds engines (except the 330 of
course) by varying the length of a pair of tubes that connect the two halves
of the intake manifold together.  Offenhouser still also makes dual four
barrel and three two barrel intakes for the early Olds engines but those
manifolds are specific to the engines they are made for.
    As for transmissions 56 and later hydramatic transmissions are different
than the earlier trannies in that they have dual fluid couplings and 55 and
earlier hydramatics have only one, which means that from a performance
perspective you can get firmer shifts out of the 55 and earlier trannies than
the later ones because the secondary fluid coupling on 56 and later trannies
is an integral part of the transmisssion and can't be removed and still have
the tranny work.

                Hope that helps

                                            J2RKT@aol.com

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From: "Robert Nevins" <nevinsr@voyager.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 13:36:32 -0300
Subject: Parts for 1964 Cutlass

Can someone out there please help me locate the following parts for my
1964 Olds F-85 Cutlass 2 door Sports Coupe.

I need the following parts:
Left side backup light light housing and lense (complete unit)
Antenna (whole unit)
Left side front bezel moulding (the "C" shaped chrome moulding)
Windshield chrome moulding
Back glass chrome moulding
Hood chrome moulding (the "V" shaped chrome that goes on the front of the
hood)
If you have any of these items, or know where I can get any of these items
please let me know.  Your help will be greatly appreciated.
Robb Nevins
nevinsr@voyager.net


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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:10:41 -0300
Subject: Freon-12 Replacements

I've seen a few messages about substituing F-12 with other compounds ok'd by
the EPA.

Do NOT take an EPA ok as a sign it will work correctly, or worse, ruin your
system!

The EPA is ONLY interested it the subtitutes environmental impact. If it
leaks to the atmosphere there may not be any environmental harm but that says
nothing about what it can do to your system.

Please remember the old standbys:

"If it it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't."

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."

"Caveat Emptor." ("Buyer beware.")

Bob Handren        OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:27:10 -0300
Subject: Re: New Digest member (can't read yet)

Congratulations!  I'm up to 4 Olds in good order for 4 of the 5 kids I have
- - but I'm getting my daughter Electra a Buick as her namesake.

Guess I'd better start reading the Buick section(s) of the want ads.



Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:22:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Cutlass for trailering???

I tow with my V-C.  220,000k 350 smogger motor.  Nothing special.
Lightweight rear suspension (just air shocks right now & no I didn't put
the stupid things on there!!!), probably high 3 gear ratio, TH400 that has
been built.  Towed home my other V-C on a tow dolly.

Lets see what the consensus is here as I'm considering towing home the '69
Toro with it too.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:10:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Offenhauser site

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
>
> www.offenhauser.com
>
> now linked to
>
> http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
>
> Karl Aune
> 1965 Dynamic 88
> Chicago, IL
>
> http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
>
> (witticism)
Wrong Offenhauser.

Daren

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From: slick442@webtv.net (slick442)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 16:37:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Freon-12 Replacements

Dear Bob,

Is this FR-12 compatable with R-12??  Or do you need to perge the system
of R-12 or change any of the components??  Also, what about this
R-134A??  Any information you can give us on the matter would be
appreciated.

Rosemary
1972 Olds 442
Arkansas

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 1997 14:39:50 -0300
Subject: Hello, 100th?

Hello,

I just joined this list and was wondering if anybody had any extended
information about the Centennial Celebration going on in August in
Lansing. If not, does anybody know where I can find this info?
- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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