
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, August 9 1997       Volume 01 : Number 791



Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!
Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!
Re: tire size question
Re: delta 88/ auction price
Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!
Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!
Re: 455 rebuild/ What to use?
Non Olds...72 Ford Ranchero info needed
Axle ordering info
Re: Non Olds...72 Ford Ranchero info needed
Re: 442 Emblems
Re: Re: urgent help needed
Re: 442 emblems
Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop"
Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels
Re: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam
Re: Non Olds...72 Ford Ranchero info needed
Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)
[none]
[none]
Rocket Talk
RE: Was your car built in Lansing?
Old(s) home movies
Olds Intrigue
Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)
Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???
Re: Stuck fitting
Re: 70' Rear Bumper
Re: Stuck fitting
Re: Re: urgent help needed
Re: Where does that RTV go?
Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)
DELETE!!!! 
Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)
Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)
Re: Lansing list
Re: Rocket Talk
Variable VoltageGood?
UNBOUNCE: Lansing List
'80 W-30 For Sale
Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)
Olds for Sale in Ontario, Canada
Re: tire size question
Re: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???
Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)
RE: Was your car built in Lansing?
Re: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???
Re: tire size question
Re: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)
history of your car? try this!
RE: Was your car built in Lansing?
Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!
'76 Cutlass rear end setup
Re: history of your car? try this!
Re: Variable VoltageGood?
Re: Variable VoltageGood?

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:14:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!

In a message dated 97-08-08 10:40:09 EDT, you write:

<< > It only misses under a load (normal excelleration) and does it until I
hit 35/40 mph or
 > so. It is a TERRIBLE miss! It's fairly consistant, but doesn't always
happen (about 75%
 > of the time.  When I punch it at 40-60 mph, it downshifts ok and takes off
off pretty
 > well, but it seems to be laying down a bit. It really doesn't get up and
bark like it did
 > just a few days ago before this stuff started to happen.
  >>

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 14:17:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!

In a message dated 97-08-08 10:40:09 EDT, you write:

<< > It only misses under a load (normal excelleration) and does it until I
hit 35/40 mph or
 > so. It is a TERRIBLE miss! It's fairly consistant, but doesn't always
happen (about 75%
 > of the time.  When I punch it at 40-60 mph, it downshifts ok and takes off
off pretty
 > well, but it seems to be laying down a bit. It really doesn't get up and
bark like it did
 > just a few days ago before this stuff started to happen.
  >>
I had a similar problem once and the problem was an air leak, mine was the
fact 
that the carb bolts had loosened and air leaked in the manifold from the base
plate.
Could be some kind of vacuum leak?? Easy to check with starting fluid.....TIM

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 11:22:33 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: tire size question

hhzimmerman wrote:
> 
> Oh, on a 14x7 (that's what I have) the biggest you can get is 225-70-14, 
> I run Goodyear Eagle ST's and have had great luck with them.  When I get
> aftermarket tires I'd use 15x7 or 8 in the front and run something
> around a 235/245 60R15 and in the rear a 15x8 and 255x60R15-

Strange.  I run 245/60R14 on my 14x6 SSI rims.  No problems either.  I
am
using BFG Radial T/As.

Chris  Sparks

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:59:46 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88/ auction price

> Don't forget Chris Sparks '82, my '78, David Brown's '79 (?), Kevin 
> O'Brien's '79 Diesel (or is that a 98?)... geez, I know I'm leaving 
> someone out....

Ermmm, well, we used to have a '78; Dad bought it new and had it for
10 years. I have a gorgeous photo of the thing at home that I had
enlarged to 8x10"; it was taken at dusk one evening when the car
was about a year old: All those amber parking lights up front
blazing away, nice shiny light-blue paint... I'll have to scan it
in sometime...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:05:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!

         Greg Kalkhoff wrote:

> Grettings form the dark side! Hope everyone is doing well! At least
> better than me at the
> moment anyway.
>
> I have encountered a problem with my 66 Toro (the one that is going to
> Lansing.
> I really need some help/advice here. I'm out of ideas and about to
> give up.

Maybe check the primary voltage?  If the ballast wire has gotten
corroded or something, perhaps you're seeing too low of voltage to fire
the plugs under load?  At idle or cruising speeds you might still have
enough juice?  Be sure to check with the engine running, as a quiet
engine with points open would show full battery voltage at the coil +.

As someone else said, definately check for vacuum leaks, too.  If you'd
like I can re-post my power balance procedure so you can see what
cylinders are missfiring or weak.

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:00:15 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-08-08 10:40:09 EDT, you write:
> 
> << > It only misses under a load (normal excelleration) and does it until I
> hit 35/40 mph or
>  > so. It is a TERRIBLE miss! It's fairly consistant, but doesn't always
> happen (about 75%
>  > of the time.  When I punch it at 40-60 mph, it downshifts ok and takes off
> off pretty
>  > well, but it seems to be laying down a bit. It really doesn't get up and
> bark like it did
>  > just a few days ago before this stuff started to happen.
>   >>


Sorry I missed the original post, but if this motor has HEI, I would
look there. I had a '78 Cutlass (260) that would just slmost stop
running at 35MPH but was fine above and below that. It turned out that
one of the 2 wires instide the distributor had rubbed up against the
pickup coil and was shorting out at that RPM, it eventualy broke and I
had to get a new pickup coil assembly. When I spoke with a mechanic
friend of mine, he told me that that happens fairly often with the HEI. 

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:19:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 rebuild/ What to use?

Erik-
Thanks for your insights. I've  found an "F" block and some "C" heads and a
good nodular crank and I'll order Mondello's catalog and start to build.
Peter  Sliskovich/Coupe King
'68 Cutlass S conv
'68 442HT

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 07:41:38 -0700
From: "Teresa Stump" <tstump@pacbell.net>
Subject: Non Olds...72 Ford Ranchero info needed

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a 351 Cleveland.  Its automatic with ac.
Thanks in advance!
Teresa
63 Olds Dynamic 88
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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 15:29:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Axle ordering info

During my search for an axle for my son's '69 442 a number of people
pmailed me about posting any info.  So here goes:

We tried machining a run of the machine the bearing surface of a
run-of-the-mill 10-bolt system non-C-type axle to match the non-C-type
axle that came off the 12-bolt differential with 10-bolt parts rear end
on the 442.  Didn't work.  Though the number of splines and the outside
diameter of the splined end seem the same, the modified axle would not go
all the way into the differential.

So - my mechanic found a source for new axles:
1.  Dutchman Axle, in Oregon, 503-257-6603, he dealt with Todd.
    axle was shipped yesterday NOT UPS :)

    Information given:  a) # of splines, b) length of axle from drum 
    flange to end of axle, c) whether seal is on axle or in housing
    Todd was very helpful.

2.  Curry, California, 714-528-6597   not as highly recommended as
    Dutchman

3.  Year One suggested Reider Racing, 313-946-1330  

Stay tuned.  Could have results by Tuesday!

Don Sugarman



sugarman@berkshire.net
FAX 413-443-7395

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 14:47:09 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Non Olds...72 Ford Ranchero info needed

<excerpt>I have a friend who needs  the schematics for smog on a 72 

</excerpt>Ranchero with a 351 Cleveland.


I take it "schematics for smog" refers to the vacuum diagram?

Chilton has a separate manual devoted to only vacuum wiring

diagrams for each engine/car/year. Unfortunately some idiot

threw out our office copy last year, but I can tell you it's

out there if you hunt around good libraries or parts stores.



Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331

Datalogics, Inc.

101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com

Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 15:07:00 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 442 Emblems

Brad,
Send me your mailing address and I will remove my numbers and make a
tracing on paper for you.  Send it to my home E-mail at:

Wyatt@Jobax.net

I will make the tracing tomorrow and get it in the mail to you.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 22:25:13 +0200
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: Re: urgent help needed

>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:12:42 -0500
>From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
>Subject: Re: urgent help needed
>
> Is this a cool letter or what?


Hello Charles,
my rather poor english tells me that you understood my letter asking to
find (buy of course) a hubcap for a ī78 Supreme, which is the first price
of the tombola of our German Olds Centennial but has one stolen, as a foul
trick to get such a hubcap for nothing or am I wrong?

Thanks to Don Sugarman I got one answer from the list really helping me
with the problem.

I can assure you that there are many Oldsmobile fans here in Germany and
most of them ( including me ) would do everything to help each other. Itīs
a hard job to keep them alive 5000 miles from Lansing.

I thought the list would be more serious.

If you want to give a look at my car, please type

http://members.aol.com/RoKlinger/

and if you want to know something about 56 Oldīs type

http://www.bonn.netsurf.de/Roland.Klinger/

Thanks, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 16:05:51 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: 442 emblems

Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 09:56:34 -0500

>Assuming yours still has the pins on, I would try getting the number
>alignment (i.e. the spacing between each number) straight by pressing
>them into a piece of cardboard. As soon as you're happy with the
>alignment, mark it up with a baseline so you can measure horizontal
>level later, trace the letters with a pencil, remove them from the
>cardboard, trim excess cardboard away, then use the holes as punched
>in the cardboard for a template when drilling the trunklid. (Use the
>cardboard template itself only for centerpunching the holes to drill;
>if you think you can drill holes through the cardboard, don't.  :-)

Been there, done that.  Maybe I'm a klutz with a drill or something,
but my attempts never came out looking completely straight on my
test piece when I used the cardboard template I made.

The number of other cars I've seen with this "problem" seems to
indicate I'm not alone.

- -Jeff (the drill challenged one)
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 05:51:37 +0800
From: music@hkg.com
Subject: Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop"

Guaranteed lowest prices and largest selection! Factory Direct!
We have millions of inventory from over 3,000 makers worldwide.
For FULL details, e-mail us a blank message to:
mailto:music@hkg.com?subject=INFO.
If you're not interested, e-mail us a blank message to:
mailto:music@hkg.com?subject=DELETE

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 17:07:04 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam

Do NOT email this outfit to "remove" yourself from their list;
you are not on it in the first place. Only the Olds email list
was compromised. Do NOT attempt to order anything from this
outfit.

This scam that blasted the email list is offshore in Hong Kong.
Just about the only protection from these sleazeballs is going
to be to take the list private. If you want to express your views
in the strongest possible manner, here are the contacts responsible:

The advertising site (masquerading as the "music" account at the
hkg.com domain):

Hongkong Telecom IMS NETVIGATOR-DOM
   22/F, Grand Central Plaza, Shatin, NT
   Hong Kong, 
   HK

   Domain Name: NETVIGATOR.COM

   Administrative Contact:
      Chan, Selleck  SC1682  selleck@NETVIGATOR.COM
      852 28837164 (FAX) 852 29625185
   Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      Telecom, IMS  TI-ORG  dnsadmin@NETVIGATOR.COM
      852 2883 7164
Fax- 852 29625185
   Billing Contact:
      Yim, Katherine  KY144  business@NETVIGATOR.COM
      852 2883 6106 (FAX) 852 2962 5635

The site channeling the ad to chebucto (who require polite requests
to can the Netvigator bunch):

Globalnet Telecommunications International Ltd. HKG-DOM
   Suite 901, Sands Building, 17 Hankow Road, Tsimshatsui, Kowloon
   Hong Kong,
   HK

   Domain Name: HKG.COM

   Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
      KWOK, Peter C C  PCK4  cckwok@HKG.COM
      (852)27300345 (FAX) (852)27300131
   Billing Contact:
      KWOK, Peter C C  PCK4  cckwok@HKG.COM
      (852)27300345 (FAX) (852)27300131


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 18:32:28 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels

At 01:58 PM 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
Hey All!

        I just wanted to add some thing to this. I just went through the
same thing when my 86 Ninety Eight got T-boned. They wanted to give me
$2500.00 for it. Got an independant appraiser that the insurance company HAD
to hire when I went balistic on them. He ended up coming back with a figure
of $4250.00. On hell of a difference. Made the insurance company think
twice. Had a big change in the outcome. The car only had 94,000 mile on it
with original paint and it was nice. This was just a month ago. Stick to it
and be persistent. They do bend in your direction if you keep the heat on
them and your temper incheck (as much as you can)!  Get yourself some ammo
with Hemming's and other colector car source data. It will also help to have
your collector vehicle appraised for it's value annually. It does make a
difference.

Jim Chermack


><< James, and everyone else who responded,
> Thanks for all of your advice. Im in the process of gathing up
> information now to prove my case to those slime(insurance claims). I
> spoke with the slime this afternoon and she said my car is valued closer
> to $2400 than what I was told before. You could imagine my discust ! Ill
> keep you'all updated as to how hard I get screwwed. Again, thanks to
> everyone who responded, its really appreciated. - Oh, hey by the way, do
> you guys want to see a picture of  what happens to a nice clean and
> detailed engine and compartment two weeks after your battery is
> shattered in an accident ? 
> 
> Didnt think so. Sorry. Just trying to humor myself.
> Pete M. ( 85 Olds 442 :(  / 71 chevelle malibu)
>  >>
>
>Gee, what if a 1/2 dozen of us stuck ads in the Auto Trader for 85
> 442s anywhere from $7500 to 10-11 Thousand and then you could 
>print them out and use them for sources.. And then by chance "if" 
>we got calls on these "cars" we could all just say that they are 
>sold. "Yep. 160K miles and sold 1st day for 10-5, what insurance 
>company did you say you were from again???"    LOL...TIM
>from any
>

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 97 19:49:10 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam

>This scam

<big SNIP>

Greg,

I offer my support for making the list private, this SPAM stuff gets old 
real fast...

BTW, Great detective work there, Andy!


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 16:49:18 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Non Olds...72 Ford Ranchero info needed

At 07:41 AM 8/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>     You have been so helpful with my olds that I thought someone  might be
>able to point me in the right direction.
>  Its  automatic with ac.
>Thanks in advance!
>Teresa
>63 Olds Dynamic 88
>http://members.tripod.com/~tstump/olds.html 

Hi Teresa,

	I just happen to have a 1972 F*rd 351C installed in my 1970 Mercedes.  I
bought the factory shop manual for the engine when I did the installation.
I even got it past the smog check at the local referee station (I live in
CA).  What exactly do you need, you can e-mail me directly at
enowacki@titan.com so that we can keep this sacriligious topic off the Olds
newsgroup.

	Mandatory Olds content:  I just picked up my Mondello JM 20-22 Camshaft at
the post office today.  Great service, I ordered the parts on Monday and it
arrived on Thursday.  Has anyone had any experiences with this cam?  I
expect the rest of the rebuild stuff to show up on Monday, boy am I getting
excited.  I can't wait to see how it will run with a fresh motor.  I'll
keep you posted.

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 21:40:58 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)

I have been enjoying this Olds network for about a month now, and 
thought it was time to share how I recently found my dream car. 

Sincerely,

RC Hellebuyck (mrhell)
1971 4-4-2 covt.
- ----------

Boy some people get all the luck!

Daren

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:53:39 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Well, I posted this the other day, but I don't think I saw it come
across, nor do I think I saw a reply, so I'll try it again.

It appears as though Charley has Rocket Talk set up at two different web
sites.  How does this affect us, Charley?  Are we missing each other
because some of us are in one room and others of us are in the other
room?  Which site should we be using?

Sorry for repeating if this came across before,

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:25:53 -0300
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: RE: Was your car built in Lansing?

You have the letter "R" in your VIN? Doesn't that stand for Arlington, Texas? 
Shouldn't the letter for Lansing be "M"?

Art Fuller

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 20:43:10 -0300
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Old(s) home movies

I've spent about the last two weeks, one and off, going through some of
our old home movies, getting ready to transfer them to videotape before
they're gone forever.

Grandpa got the movie camera for Christmas in '58.  They lived next door
to an Olds dealer at that time.  Therefore, much of the background
material for family shots was the car lot next door and across the
street.  Lots of used '56s, '57s and '58s and a few '59s out in front of
the dealership with the new car announcment banner hanging above the
garage door.

Lots of shots of the Grandparents '52 88 Deluxe (read that cheap)
sedan.  Also have a few shots of their later '61 Super 88 sedan and
Great-Aunt Helen's '54 Super 88 Holiday coupe.

Its neat to access to think kind of stuff.  Bet nobody ever thought 40
years ago that anybody would have any interest in looking at all those
old cars.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:48:37 -0300
From: Norm Crowe <ncrowe@netwalk.com>
Subject: Olds Intrigue

Anyone have the chance to see/drive the new Intigue?

Norm

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:51:20 -0300
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)

RC Hellebuyck wrote:

>I have been enjoying this Olds network for about a month now, and 
>thought it was time to share how I recently found my dream car. 
>
<snip> of entertaining story...

>Sincerely,
>
>RC Hellebuyck (mrhell)
>1971 4-4-2 covt.

I love stories like this.  Daren's right, some people have all the luck.
I'm only the second owner of my '87, and I was fortunate enough to get to
talk to the original owner.  I can't imagine tracking six out of eight
previous owners.  Good luck, RC.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442   

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 00:13:56 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???

  My car failed state inspection because of too much lateral and horizontal
movement in the steering column. So i decided to give it a go and fix it
myself. So far with tools in one hand and my genuine 1977 Olds service
manual i've done pretty good. Right now i've reached the inner housing in
front of the bowl. 

  Looking down through the housing i can already see at least three screws
with funny looking heads that need tightening. I dont know if tightening
them will do the trick because looking at a picture in the service manual
the SPHERICAL JOINT that connects the upper shaft to the lower shaft seems
to be the culprit. Can anyone tell me if this is correct. Is this joint
repaired by replacing it or some kind of tightening? My manual says i need a
tool that will remove the pivot pins (tool #j-21854-1). (HAd to order the
tool will arrive monday afternoon) Anyone with experience care to say if
this is easy or hard?                

Also while the column is apart any suggestions as to what things should be
replaced at this time?? Also lithium grease-- still available or is there an
equivalent?

TIA 

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:10:59 -0300
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Stuck fitting

At 09:53 PM 8/7/97 +0600, you wrote:
>I can't get the expansion valve off of the evaporator of my Vista Crusier.
>I've been trying to remove it so I can replace the seal and maybe the whole
>valve, but the little nut that holds it on the evaporator is stuck tight.
>In fact, the aluminum line from the evaporator is threatening to twist with
>it, which would leave me with a kinked line and a bad evaporator.  I've been
>dosing it liberally with WD-40 but it still won't budge.  Any ideas?  I'm
>pretty tempted at this point just to leave it, charge it up and take my
>chances.  If I twist too hard on it I'm gonna break something.  Even tried
>tinking it some with a hammer.  BTW, I am holding a wrench on the expansion
>valve so that's taking most of the torque, but it still tries to twist the
line.
>
>Thanks 
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista Cruiser 
>`67 Cutlass Supreme
>
Greg,
  If you can get to it,use a little heat,being very careful not to get the 
fitting too hot.Use a little heat then try it,if it still won't budge try a
little more.Be very careful around insulation a wiring.I assume you are using
line wrenches.
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 01:07:32 -0300
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 70' Rear Bumper

 ->vista cuzer

Is that a poor relation?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:30:12 -0300
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stuck fitting

>I can't get the expansion valve off of the evaporator of my Vista Crusier.
Greg;

Most of the time when the tube starts to twist like this, its because the nut
has corroded to the tube.  If you have some room to work and two hammers this
is no problem!  The larger of the hammers should be held tightly against the
back of the nut while you hit the front with the other hammer.  The idea is
to expand the nut slightly.  If you can get all three different  angles on
the nut it'll come right off, esp if youve soaked it with a penetrant first.
 Just be gentle with the hammers, its only aluminum!

I hope I've explained this reasonably clearly, and it helps!

Elephant Engine Ernie

50-88
67-442 

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:11:39 -0300
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Re: urgent help needed

At 10:25 PM 8/8/97 +0200, you wrote:
>>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 1997 21:12:42 -0500
>>From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
>>Subject: Re: urgent help needed
>>
>> Is this a cool letter or what?
>
>
>Hello Charles,
>my rather poor english tells me that you understood my letter asking to
>find (buy of course) a hubcap for a ī78 Supreme, which is the first price
>of the tombola of our German Olds Centennial but has one stolen, as a foul
>trick to get such a hubcap for nothing or am I wrong?
>
>Thanks to Don Sugarman I got one answer from the list really helping me
>with the problem.
>
>I can assure you that there are many Oldsmobile fans here in Germany and
>most of them ( including me ) would do everything to help each other. Itīs
>a hard job to keep them alive 5000 miles from Lansing.
>
>I thought the list would be more serious.
>
>If you want to give a look at my car, please type
>
>http://members.aol.com/RoKlinger/
>
>and if you want to know something about 56 Oldīs type
>
>http://www.bonn.netsurf.de/Roland.Klinger/
>
>Thanks, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany
>
Mr. Klinger,
 Let me assure you the reason I commented that your message was "cool" was that
I was impressed that there were Olds fans in europe.I am absolutely shocked
that you could read any kind of insult into it.To somehow read into my short
comment that I was implying that you were trying to get something for nothing
is amazing!As for your comment about this list not being serious enough,please
don't let your totally wrong conclusions lead anyone to look down,in any way,on
this fine web site.
Charles (Fred) Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 21:13:48 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Where does that RTV go?

>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>(the single guy)


Gee Greg, are you advertising it now?!?  Thought you were holding out for
that elusive H/O woman.......


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 21:17:28 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)

Thanks for listing the total cost - I can get my body work done for $300 &
I supply the paint (i.e. shell out the $$).  Still sounds reasonable to me
(after spending $1400 on body & paint on 30 feet of Vista Cruiser).

Good luck - it makes such a difference when they *look* good!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:27:24 -0300
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: DELETE!!!! 



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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 21:31:26 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)

What a great story - and we're all jealous.  I called the dealer that sold
my poor lowly Delta 88 & no one would take me seriously.  You are indeed
very lucky to have gotten a great car but also great memories and history
on it.  

No doubt you'll always enjoy this one.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:46:02 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)

 It creates a bit of optimism though. I have virtually no info on the
history of my Cutlass and still haven't found the original owner but I feel
that maybe it's possible.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 08, 1997 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)



>What a great story - and we're all jealous.  I called the dealer that sold
>my poor lowly Delta 88 & no one would take me seriously.  You are indeed
>very lucky to have gotten a great car but also great memories and history
>on it.
>
>No doubt you'll always enjoy this one.
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
>Vista Cruiser
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 23:51:28 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing list

 Please add me to the list. I'll be at the BATTLE CREEK INN! Yeah that's as
close as I could get a room. Everything in Lansing seems to be booked.
Debbie and I will be there from the 21st through the 23rd. hope to make the
gathering at the Holiday Inn West though. Will be bringing the Cutlass (I
hope).

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 08, 1997 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Lansing list



>> Hello, I'm just trying to update this list once again.
>>
>>
>> Cliff McFarlane:
>> Fleet includes: 62 Starfire htp (parts)
>>                 62 98 (parts)
>>                 62 Starfire conv (being restored for the last 9 years) >
63 Starfire conv (going to make it into a trailer)
>>                 63 Starfire coupe (going to restore when done 62)
>>                 63 Starfire coupe (restored)
>>                 63 Super 88 (parts)
>>                 57 F*rd Fairlane 500 conv (restord (sorry guys))
>________________________________________________________________________
>>     NAME                 HOTEL               DATE           CAR
>>     ====                 =====               ====           ===
>> Adams, Tom           Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta conv
>> Allen, Joseph        Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
>> Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
>> Bicker, Steve        Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
>> Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
>> Bradley, Terry&____Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass 70
W-30
>> Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
>> Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
>> Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
>> Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass Supreme
>> Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
>> Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
>> Glista, Nikki        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
>> Glista, Richard      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 442
>> Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
>> Hall, Mike           Holiday Inn West     8/21-24   72 Cutlass S
>> Handren, Bob&ddwaCheryl  Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   67 442 W-30
>> Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
>> Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
>> Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
>> Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
>> Hoopingarner, Kevin  Cottonwood CG        8/19-24   none
>> Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
>> Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
>> Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
>> Kitchner, Doug       Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
>> Kobinsky, Jeff&eraCPatti Days Inn             8/20-22   86 98
>> Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
>> Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
>> McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 Starfire
>> Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
>> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
>> O'Connor, Peg        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   none
>> Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
>> Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
>> Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
>> Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
>> Richmond, John       FairField Inn West   8/22-23   72 442
>> Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
>> Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
>> Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
>> Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
>> Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
>> Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
>> Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
>> Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
>> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
>> Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
>> Westlake, Steve      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 98
>> Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
>> Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
>> Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
>> Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
>>_______________________________________________________________________>
LIST TOTAL = 53 People

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Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 23:38:21 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> Well, I posted this the other day, but I don't think I saw it come
> across, nor do I think I saw a reply, so I'll try it again.
> 
> It appears as though Charley has Rocket Talk set up at two different web
> sites.  How does this affect us, Charley?  Are we missing each other
> because some of us are in one room and others of us are in the other
> room?  Which site should we be using?
> 
> Sorry for repeating if this came across before,
> 
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> plh@nbn.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible


Yea I stoped in there a few times Thursday night and no one was there.


                        Terrance

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 02:17:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Variable VoltageGood?

In a message dated 97-08-08 15:03:39 EDT, you write:

<< Maybe check the primary voltage?  If the ballast wire has gotten
 corroded or something, perhaps you're seeing too low of voltage to fire
 the plugs under load?  At idle or cruising speeds you might still have
 enough juice?  Be sure to check with the engine running, as a quiet
 engine with points open would show full battery voltage at the coil +.
  >>

I want to toss in a topic that relates to voltage and see if anybody has
any spin on the good or the bad of the idea.  I have an 87 Bu*ck T Type
and one of the tricks on the car is to hot wire the Fuel Pump with a 
Relay from the Alternator.  The original 18-22 gauge wire isnt worth its 
weight in voltage, so a 10 gauge wire is fed to the pump from the 
alternator.  What this does is when the car goes Wide Open Throttle
(WOT) and the rpms increase so does fuel pressure and the need for
fuel to the injectors. As this increase takes place so does an increase
in voltage coming out of the alternator, (up to about 14.7), giving a 
boost to the fuel pump to push harder and more volume.     Now....

Applying this concept to the distributer:  Would a relay from the 
alternator on my 68 to the HEI have the same effect on Voltage??
Would I get an increase in Voltage at the Plug as the Voltage would 
increase to the distributor.  I believe that would be the case being that
anybody who has hooked up their HEI conversion thru the ballast wire
and then changed it a direct voltage lead has seen an improvement in
spark and power.  I was ready to go out and try it when I thought perhaps
this might burn up the coil or do something damaging that I had not 
anticipated....Anybody that has any ideas on this please toss them 
into a discussion......Thanks...TIM 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:06:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Lansing List

You learn something new every day... majordomo bounced this one because 
of the word that's the opposite of "subtract". Forwarding...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing list

 Please a*dd me to the list. I'll be at the BATTLE CREEK INN! Yeah that's as
close as I could get a room. Everything in Lansing seems to be booked.
Debbie and I will be there from the 21st through the 23rd. hope to make the
gathering at the Holiday Inn West though. Will be bringing the Cutlass (I
hope).

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:25:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '80 W-30 For Sale

I was junkyarding yesterday at a new place about an hour from here, and 
on the way home swung by the strip where the car dealers are. On one of 
the lots was an '80 4-4-2 W-30 for sale. Jason, I guess this is the same 
car as yours. If so, I'm envious!

This thing is gorgeous. The owner of the dealership (a Chrysler store)
owns the car and has for 3-5 years according to the sales rep, ever since
he bought it from the original owner that he had sold it to back when he
was a rep at the Olds dealer. The car has never seen winter and sure looks
it. Original everything including the white & gold paint, exceptionally
clean and not a flaw to be seen. Has the 350 Rocket, really neat-looking
Olds alloy wheels that I've never seen on anything else, and a pretty
interior in a tan/gold cloth. Huge chrome things on the seatback sides...
do these recline? It's loaded too, has just about every option including a
sunroof. Even the trunk looks new, and the owner even put in one of the
black rubber "Oldsmobile" accessory trunk mats from the 70's. 

What a sweet car! It shows 16,000 on the odometer which I'm 
assuming is really 116,000 km (about 70,000 miles) but looks like it 
could be 16K, it's that nice. The bad news: they want $10,900 Cdn for it, 
which translates to around $8K US. I'm not in the market, but if someone 
wants one of these, I doubt if you'll find a better one anywhere. If 
anyone has serious interest, I'll be happy to help.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 08:52:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)

Went to the junkyard yesterday looking for an armrest pad for my '78 Delta
winter beater. This was a good yard, everything is really organized and
they had a nice selection of later model stuff. Found a '78 Delta Royale
there in addition to a bunch of other full-size GMs. Noted that absolutely
every one of them there had a rotted rear bumper support. It was uncanny, 
so I guess I can forget about finding one of them in these parts. 

Last weekend I went to another yard looking for the same armrest pad.
Didn't find a good one, but got an AM/FM radio, a clock, and a set of
hubcaps for my stripper sedan. The caps are from an early 80's Delta but
look better IMHO than the '78s that he didn't have anyway so I took them.
That stuff cost me $45, a real deal considering that the radio and clock
both work great. 

Anyway, this time I scored the interior B-pillar trim, a mint remote
mirror to replace my cockeyed one, a power trunk release setup, a hood
ornament (mine was broken), and a few little bits. Cost me another $45.
The scary thing is that the junker Royale has perfect armrests... with
power locks. Plus power windows. Plus a set of real nice wheel opening
moldings. The yard owner said he'd take $100 for all of it. My pal Brian
wants me to go back with him, make a day of it and get them, and he'll
help me install them on mine. Also says I should fork out $75 for the
Royale's perfect front bumper, which I also want. What I'd really like
would be the beefy front sway bar from a police package plus the rear bar,
to sharpen up the cornering. Plus this yard has a set of the actual '78
wheel discs for another $20 which I now figure maybe I should grab anyway.
All this started by looking for an armrest, remember... 

The funny thing is that Brian's envious of my old Delta. He has a loaded
'79 C*price with 40K miles on it for his driver which is gorgeous, looks
almost new. But he likes my car better. Says it rides better, has tons
more power, and seems more solid. Never would have believed that he'd
admit that. For it's first shakedown cruise yesterday, I have to admit I
was impressed. The Delta really is a nice highway car. 

Here we go again... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 00:09:25 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
Subject: Olds for Sale in Ontario, Canada

The following are from a Southern Ontario 'trader' type of publication. 
Havent seen them, dont know them etc, but most will be within 2-5 hours of 
Lansing.

72 Cutlass Supreme 350 buckets all orig $3000     905 318 5025  (Hamilton)
72 Cutlass Supreme dark green disc brakes pw $2000  519 252 8937 (Windsor)
71 Cutlass bebuilt 350 sell whole or parts 905 389 0050  (Hamilton)
71 Cutlass S Fully restored 14,000 in reciepts will sell for $8000  905 985 
1853
69 Cutlass Supreme Conv 350 68,000 mi needs new exhaust and lower panel body 
work $1997 905 643 7858
69 Cutlass Conv  ps pb pt newer top paint floors seats  red w/ black 
interior $4600 certified 519 749 0917 (Kitchener)
67 Cutlass Conv all new metal solid original car good drivetrain needs 
finish London 519 659 4817
66 Delta 88 conv 425 buckets console needs new top and body work $1000 519 
237 3136 (near London Ont)
60 Olds 2 dr bubble HT 108,000 mi 1 owner baby blue interior like new needs 
paint to become show car $3950 (Thornhill - Near Toronto)  905 881 9067

Remember that these prices are in Canadian  $$$

Brian Kerr
(Hoping to go to Lansing, haven't called for a Hotel room yet! Any 
suggestions or phone numbers of hotels that aren't filled up yet?)
69 Cutlass Conv - under restoration.

Email - kerrb@basf-corp.com
work phone 1-800 565 9586

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:33:28 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> > > Oh, on a 14x7 (that's what I have) the biggest you can get is
> 225-70-14,
> > > I run Goodyear Eagle ST's and have had great luck with them.  When I
> get
> > > aftermarket tires I'd use 15x7 or 8 in the front and run something
> > > around a 235/245 60R15 and in the rear a 15x8 and 255x60R15-
> >
> > Strange.  I run 245/60R14 on my 14x6 SSI rims.  No problems either.  I
> > am
> > using BFG Radial T/As.
> >
> > Chris  Sparks
> 
> I also have some SS1 rims with 245/60 and my truck has 275/60 on the back
> 15x7 rims
> 
> Daren


You are right- the idiot at NTW tire lied to me.  I saw two Olds cars at the drags last night, and they 
both were running 245/60/14 eagle ST's on stock 14x7 rims, and they fit fine.  He also had a pair of 
275/60/15 on 15x7 rally wheels, but I think the sidewalls were way too bulged out.

I'm going to get a set of 245's next time around.

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:55:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???

aaron, i rebuild tilt colums all the time, you are right about the loose
screws. this is the most common cause of slack in colums.the other area of
concern is the bearings. the pivot pins can be removed by threading a bolt
into the hole in side of pin. then carefully!,    pivot colum up and down
while pulling on bolt.  with any luck it will pop right out. or you could buy
the tool .  steven. w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:10:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)

Hi,
     Well it's 10:00 A.M. Eastern time and just finished with 3 coats of
Galleon Gold base on my 70 442. I only used 2 1/2 quart of the 5 I got but it
is good to have if I have a boo boo later on. In about 15 minutes I will
start putting on the 3-4 coats of clear and then take a shower.    Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
OCA  #016050 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:49:53 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: RE: Was your car built in Lansing?

mmmmmm....  Your right "R" is TX.

I think my brain missed a gear when I typed that one.  For some reason I typed 
"R"!?!

{sweat beads build on RCs forehead}...nope, just double checked my vin #, it 
definitely has a "M" in it.  How I mistyped that one is a mystery???

Thanks for pointing that one out.  Hope you read this Mike.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.
_______________________________________________________________________________ 

On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>You have the letter "R" in your VIN? Doesn't that stand for Arlington, Texas? 
>Shouldn't the letter for Lansing be "M"?
>
>Art Fuller
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:18:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???

Hi,
     All you need to do is tighten the bolts with the external torx heads and
that will tighten it up. You will need to remove the pivot pins and slide
tilt housing out to access all 4 of the screws. Other than a little grease on
the cance cam you shouldn't need to do anything else. Steve
1967 442 
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 royale Brougham
OCA #016050

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:36:28 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

> You are right- the idiot at NTW tire lied to me.  I saw two Olds cars at
the drags last night, and they 
> both were running 245/60/14 eagle ST's on stock 14x7 rims, and they fit
fine.  He also had a pair of 
> 275/60/15 on 15x7 rally wheels, but I think the sidewalls were way too
bulged out.
> 
> I'm going to get a set of 245's next time around.
> 
> -greg

They do bulge a little but since the truck still has hubcaps (hopefully
Centerline Hellcats next spring 275/60s with 15x8 in front and 315/60s with
15x? in back) so the bulge isn't as noticeable (flat surface not sunk in
like a ss rim).

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:35:46 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)

At 08:52 AM 8/9/97 -0300, you wrote:
Greg,

        You sound like your becoming as bad as Brian. Pretty soon you'll
have that Delta 88 too nice and you'll be looking for another DRIVER. You
know, I think that's the way collections are started. Heh! Heh!. 
        Now your going to have to build a garage like Donny's. Just so you
can house all these neat things. That's my problem too. Haven't got the
space for all my cars. Got two of them stored at friends houses.
        We're going junking this next week and will be on the lookout for
your rear bumper support. I'll bring it to Lansing with me if you think you
can get it home. Let me know. 
        The W-30 is looking great. It'll blow you away when you see it. I've
got a package of stuff I'm bringing up there for you guys. Travel light. See
ya in a couple weeks.

Jim Chermack


 



>Went to the junkyard yesterday looking for an armrest pad for my '78 Delta
>winter beater. This was a good yard, everything is really organized and
>they had a nice selection of later model stuff. Found a '78 Delta Royale
>there in addition to a bunch of other full-size GMs. Noted that absolutely
>every one of them there had a rotted rear bumper support. It was uncanny, 
>so I guess I can forget about finding one of them in these parts. 
>
>Last weekend I went to another yard looking for the same armrest pad.
>Didn't find a good one, but got an AM/FM radio, a clock, and a set of
>hubcaps for my stripper sedan. The caps are from an early 80's Delta but
>look better IMHO than the '78s that he didn't have anyway so I took them.
>That stuff cost me $45, a real deal considering that the radio and clock
>both work great. 
>
>Anyway, this time I scored the interior B-pillar trim, a mint remote
>mirror to replace my cockeyed one, a power trunk release setup, a hood
>ornament (mine was broken), and a few little bits. Cost me another $45.
>The scary thing is that the junker Royale has perfect armrests... with
>power locks. Plus power windows. Plus a set of real nice wheel opening
>moldings. The yard owner said he'd take $100 for all of it. My pal Brian
>wants me to go back with him, make a day of it and get them, and he'll
>help me install them on mine. Also says I should fork out $75 for the
>Royale's perfect front bumper, which I also want. What I'd really like
>would be the beefy front sway bar from a police package plus the rear bar,
>to sharpen up the cornering. Plus this yard has a set of the actual '78
>wheel discs for another $20 which I now figure maybe I should grab anyway.
>All this started by looking for an armrest, remember... 
>
>The funny thing is that Brian's envious of my old Delta. He has a loaded
>'79 C*price with 40K miles on it for his driver which is gorgeous, looks
>almost new. But he likes my car better. Says it rides better, has tons
>more power, and seems more solid. Never would have believed that he'd
>admit that. For it's first shakedown cruise yesterday, I have to admit I
>was impressed. The Delta really is a nice highway car. 
>
>Here we go again... ;-)
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 11:12:54 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: history of your car? try this!

Just for everyone's information, I heard some states will send you a 
list of the people who registered a car.  Just call or write the state 
and give them your vin #.  I guess there's usually a charge, ($15. 
- -$20.).  

Haven't tried this one yet, but I'm going to.  Anyone ever had luck 
trying this?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:42:37 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: RE: Was your car built in Lansing?

At 10:49 AM 8/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
RC

        I talked to Jim Stolhman last week about your car. I was up at his
dealership for shop day. It was a really neat story. His Dad owned the
dealership and was passed on to Jim when his Dad fell ill and passed away.
Jim Stolhman is a really neat guy. I know you had mentioned how neat it was
that he seemed to remember the car. He is very good people. He has helped me
alot getting my 67 W-30 Track Pack car ready for Lansing. He has one that he
pulled out of the shop for me and let me crawl all over it taking pictures
and checking every little thing out. How many people would d that for you.
You should see the 70 W-30 Conv. 4 spd that he has. It was sold new there
also and he has it back and restored. It's gorgous. Franklin Mint chose his
car for the model they will be coming out with this year of the W-30. I
can't wait.

Jim Chermack



mmmmmm....  Your right "R" is TX.
>
>I think my brain missed a gear when I typed that one.  For some reason I typed 
>"R"!?!
>
>{sweat beads build on RCs forehead}...nope, just double checked my vin #, it 
>definitely has a "M" in it.  How I mistyped that one is a mystery???
>
>Thanks for pointing that one out.  Hope you read this Mike.
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>___________________________________________________________________________
____ 
>
>On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>>You have the letter "R" in your VIN? Doesn't that stand for Arlington, Texas? 
>>Shouldn't the letter for Lansing be "M"?
>>
>>Art Fuller
>>
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 09:45:50 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!

- ----------
> From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Sparky Begs for Assistance!
> Date: Friday, August 08, 1997 2:00 PM
> 
> Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > In a message dated 97-08-08 10:40:09 EDT, you write:
> > 
> > << > It only misses under a load (normal excelleration) and does it
until I
> > hit 35/40 mph or
> >  > so. It is a TERRIBLE miss! It's fairly consistant, but doesn't
always
> > happen (about 75%
> >  > of the time.  When I punch it at 40-60 mph, it downshifts ok and
takes off
> > off pretty
> >  > well, but it seems to be laying down a bit. It really doesn't get up
and
> > bark like it did
> >  > just a few days ago before this stuff started to happen.
> >   >>
> 
> 
> Sorry I missed the original post, but if this motor has HEI, I would
> look there. I had a '78 Cutlass (260) that would just slmost stop
> running at 35MPH but was fine above and below that. It turned out that
> one of the 2 wires instide the distributor had rubbed up against the
> pickup coil and was shorting out at that RPM, it eventualy broke and I
> had to get a new pickup coil assembly. When I spoke with a mechanic
> friend of mine, he told me that that happens fairly often with the HEI. 

I put a new pickup coil in once that behaved like that. Those things can
make a engine really run crazy. This one checked out fine with a ohm meter
too.
Walter 

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 10:48:51 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: '76 Cutlass rear end setup

Hi, all...

I have a '76 Cutlass that we are contemplating using only for bracket/very 
limited street duty with a serious 455/TH400 setup....what rear end setup 
has anyone had good experience with, and what make/year did that setup come 
from? Thanks in advance for any help!


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net



Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 09:49:08 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: history of your car? try this!

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> Just for everyone's information, I heard some states will send you a
> list of the people who registered a car.  Just call or write the state
> and give them your vin #.  I guess there's usually a charge, ($15.
> -$20.).
> 
> Haven't tried this one yet, but I'm going to.  Anyone ever had luck
> trying this?
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

Or you could be like me and get in good with the lady at the dmv.

                                    Terrance

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 12:16:03 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Variable VoltageGood?

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Applying this concept to the distributer:  Would a relay from the
> alternator on my 68 to the HEI have the same effect on Voltage??
> Would I get an increase in Voltage at the Plug as the Voltage would
> increase to the distributor.  

Unlikely you'd see any ignificant change.  Beside better control over 
timing, dwell, and pulse shape, electronic ignitions -- unlike electrical 
ones -- use a regulator to keep their internal voltages stable and its 
ignition output more constant.  

The unregulated condensor/point systems are very dependent upon the 
supply voltage to generate ignition.  At low voltage conditions 
(starting, idle) they output relatively poor spark.  Hence the regulation 
in electronic ignitions -- which primarily give better performance under 
those conditions.

> I believe that would be the case being that anybody who has hooked up 
> their HEI conversion thru the ballast wire and then changed it a direct 
> voltage lead has seen an improvement in spark and power.  

Sure.  But that's because the ballast wire was dropping the voltage so 
low that it was forcing the HEI run outside of its designed operating 
range -- forcing it to "strain" to generate spark -- and they sometimes 
die from the abuse.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 12:23:39 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Variable VoltageGood?

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> ...spin on the good or the bad of the idea.  I have an 87 Bu*ck T Type
> and one of the tricks on the car is to hot wire the Fuel Pump with a
> Relay from the Alternator.  

> ...  What this does is when the car goes Wide Open Throttle
> (WOT) and the rpms increase so does fuel pressure and the need for
> fuel to the injectors. As this increase takes place so does an increase
> in voltage coming out of the alternator, (up to about 14.7), giving a
> boost to the fuel pump to push harder and more volume.

I was just rereading this and something doesn't make sense to me.  

The use of a relay between the altenator and the fuel pump wouldn't cause 
any increase in voltage to the fuel pump.  It might cause an increase in 
voltage across the relay coil.  Now if the same voltage was applied 
through the relay contacts to the pump, what purpose would it serve to 
have the relay there in the first place?

Then we also have the fact that the regulated output from the altenator 
wouldn't charge very much with engine speed.  Or shouldn't anyway.  

Are you sure this isn't some type of cutoff to kill the pump in the event 
the motor stops?

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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