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oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 16 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 720

Re: Slow day?
455
Re: Chop Shop Blues
Some Olds Parts for Sale in CAN.
455
Re: 455
Re: 8-Track Problem
Re: 8-Track Problem
Re: Opportunity
Re: An Electrical Question
A few engine questions...
give me a break
Re: A few engine questions...
Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense
67 442 conv found in AL
ralley rims
Re: Some Olds Parts for Sale in CAN.
Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense
Rocket Origins; was 455
Re: 8-Track Problem
Re: A few engine questions...
1965 Odometer Cable, [was Merry Salvaging.]
Re: ralley rims
Re: Ash tray door/H/O scoop
Twin Turbo, Injected 67
Fwd: Rocket Engines -the story was 455
Re: Twin Turbo, Injected 67
Re: A few engine questions...
Re: Twin Turbo, Injected 67
Re: 455
Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense
Re: Twin Turbo, Injected 67
70 SX for sale
FWD: 86 Olds 442 - $2,000.00
71 Cutlass S convertible for sale
1970 442 convertible
Re: 70 SX for sale
Re: B, O, or P 455? Which is better?
New update
Oldsmobile Edge????  ANYBODY???
Re: Read this beauty about a 442......
Re: Trans coolers
Re: 70 SX for sale
1971 442

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:20:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Slow day?

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
>          It must be because Greg was down here drooling over the neat
> Oldsmobiles in my neck of the woods. We had a blast making the rounds
> today.

Slow my left... uh... shift key!  Tell Greg that I'm changing the name
from the Olds List to the Bounce List.  He must have a motorized delete
key on his computer.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:12:31 -0300
Subject: 455

My name is Jon Look, and I own a 1976 Oldsmobile Delta 88,
with a 455 v8 engine.
My friends and I were discussion the 455, and we were unable
to agree on some of our topics; I was hoping you
could help clear it up.

Is the 455 and the 455 Rocket the same engine?
or is the rocket more powerful?
or is it the same engine and a different car?

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:06:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Chop Shop Blues

Having problems with body shops and frame alignment is a common
occurance. Forgetting about any decisions you've made so far:

Frame alignment is doable but fairly specific and you might even say
sophisticated given unibody design. There are alignment specs for every
car. Your car will never be right if the frame and body are even a
little out of whack. There are spec books and guages to measure proper
frame and body alignment.

When you finally decide to take the car, make sure the bill says that
they aligned the frame. Make sure the bill says that they aligned the
body. Try to have them assign line item prices to that work if you
intend to take them to small claims court. Also make sure they leak test
the car and have them put that on the bill.

Take the car to a wheel alignment shop straight away and get a four
wheel alignment. This is a fairly inexpensive way to find out if the the
frame and front end are some what straight and can even be aligned.

Hose the car down right away to look for leaks.

I did the alignment thing once after a "pull" and they couldn't even get
readings on the car is was so out of whack. This was all I needed to
torture the body shop.

In another case, my 78-98 was hit pretty hard, front pass side. I hung
the metal and took it to a shop for, a "pull", to align and shim the
metal, paint job & vinyl top.
This was supposed to be 3-4 weeks.
4-1/2 months later I finally took the car.
This was because I wasn't satisfied with the work along the way. It was
sort of in a situation like yours and the only thing I could figure to
do was to put "time" on my side. I knew the job was a loser to them
after the 3-4 weeks was up. They had promised to keep the car inside and
I knew it was in the way, in front of them every day. It became an
albatros to them.
As far as alignment and workmanship, I kept it simple.
"How come the gaps on the driver's side door are larger than the gaps on
the passenger side door." They had to pull the frame/body three time to
get it right.
"Wow! Look at those runs! How are you going to get them out?" "Hey! How
come the header sticks up higher on this side?" The kind of stuff you
would look at on a new car.
I tried to visit 2-3 times a week. If I didn't, they would advance work
to the point of no return. Constant visits kept them working on it.
Again, I decided that it just wasn't worth taking the car-I knew that
once it left the shop it would pretty much be over.
It was worth it to share cars & bum rides.

Mostly what I know about body shop around NY- They make their money on
collision repairs to $30,000+ cars. Frame alignment is big bucks for
them. They like a car in on Monday and out on Friday. Cash cash cash.
They would like everybody to pick up their car at twilight.

They don't want your car in their shop. But then agin maybe you don't
either. Put time on your side, and visit often, the squeaky wheel gets
the grease. Good luck.

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:21:30 -0300
Subject: Some Olds Parts for Sale in CAN.

Hi there, I've got a set of '65 Olds 425 Exhaust Manifolds for sale,
as well as an Intake Manifold (2-bbl) and a Rochester 600 cfm 4bbl Q-
jet.  I've got an Air Conditioning system from my '70  Olds for sale
as well as a Power Steering pump and other various brackets for a '65
Olds 425 set-up.  Hmm.. I've got a Fan for the 425 and  a TH-400
Trany that I don't know what I am doing with yet. Does anyone out
there have a '70 Cutlass Tailstock for my '65 Delta Th-400.  The
existing stock is too long and I'd like to build it up as a Heavy
duty spare for when my TH 350 decides to puke. Anyways, let me know
what you guys think, and E-mail me at Mechwarrior2Master@prodigy.com
for prices.  I haven't figured out what the parts are going for yet
so it will probably be the best offer type of thing. Also, these here
parts are up in Kitchener Ontario so anyone up here call me! :)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:25:04 -0300
Subject: 455

All Olds engines are Rockets, your 455, if its from a '76 will not be
as powerful as a '70 due to power reduction from the smog laws ect.
A nice set of '70 455 heads would polish yours up and increase the
compression.  Rocket was derived from the symbol of the rocket which
Olds uses as its immortal logo.
Hope this helps. :)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:49:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 455

Hi, thanks for answering.  I'e heard so many different
versions of what a rocket is.  I was on a web page with the
oldsmobile FAQ that said something about a Rocket has pushrods
or some such thing (I don't know a lot about cars)

Well, thanks fo clearing it up.

Oh, incidently, are there any serious problems
that could arise if someone were to put a bit too much
transmition fluid in?
I checked it a few days ago and it didn't
even show up on the stick, so I figured that a quart would do jus
fine.
now it's way past the full mark.


later,
jon


- --
*****************************************************************
There's no easy way out, there's no shortcut home,
*There's no easy way out, givin' in can be wrong.        *
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 19:13:46 -0300
Subject: Re: 8-Track Problem

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> ...  I bought one of those 8-Track/Cassette converters at Carlisle a
> couple of years ago.  I works perfectly in the 8-Track in my Cutlass,
> but when I use it in my Ninety Eight I get a noise that I can only
> describe as a thumping, like a helicopter.  Anybody have any idea why
> the player works with 8-Tracks, but not the converter and why the
> converter works in my '72 and not my '67?

<GUESS>
The converter uses the drive wheel from the 8-track to turn its tape and
puts a coil (like a transformer) against the 8-track head to transfer the
audio.  Since this is a low frequency noise, I'd suspect a mechanical
problem rather than an electrical one.  I'd suspect the skew (or tilt) of
the two 8-tracks are slightly differest so that the convertor "tracks" OK
on the one unit but slips (at a recurring rate) on the other.  The
mechanical vibration caused by the converter slightly jumping up and down
would transfer to the 8-track as it's coil bounces up and down over the
8-track head.  See if you can adjust the skew of the wheel in the
convertor a bit.
</GUESS>

> Groovin' to Sonny and Cher for the time being...

Yikes!

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike (who remembers when Sonny still had hair)


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 16:32:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 8-Track Problem

Does anyone know where I'd be able to find one of
those 8-track/cassette converters now-a-days?

- --
*****************************************************************
There's no easy way out, there's no shortcut home,
*There's no easy way out, givin' in can be wrong.        *
*****************************************************************

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 11:47:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Opportunity

mrada wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well I have an opportunity to purchase a 68 442 hardtop.  The car is
> in "2" condition.  It has some body damage and a little rust.  Still
> some good usable parts.  Front bench seat needs some work.  It has
> a/c, disc brakes, electric windows, sports mirror, trumpet tips, all
> of its emblems, and still a lot more.  I was thinking of buying it for
> spare parts for my current 442.  What does anyone think about a price
> for it.  It still runs.
>
> Let me know quick....
>
> Chris Sparks

Chris,

This doesn't sound like a ª2 car.  A ª2 car would place 1st im almost
all local car shows.  It looks perfect unless compared to a ª1 car.
Most new cars are ª2 types.

You didn't describe it's mechanical condition.  If it is like you
describe overall, it may be a $2k-2.5k car.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:27:32 -0300
Subject: Re: An Electrical Question

LCPL JACKS AIMD/IMO3 X7402 wrote:
>
> > I had the same problem with my 442 when the battery was getting weak. It
> > seemed like the starter solenoid was sticking. The whole electrical
> > system would go dead I would then reach under the car tap the starter a
> > couple times with a hammer until I could here a click from the solenoid.
> > A new battery solved this problem. You should get you battery load
> > tested after it's charged up to make sure the battery is the problem.
> >
> > Daren
>
> Hey Daren,
>
>   Not to bust any balls around here, but unless you were doing a cold
> start on the car the problem is actually heat related. The GMs of the
> muscle car era were prone to starter problems due to the extreme heat
> of the really close exhaust. A new starter and heat shield will help,
> as well as using insulating wrap on the exhaust around that point. I
> had the similar problems after I pulled a few tricks on the starter.
> A new one did me wonders. Just my wisdow from experience, trials, and
> other people who spread the word!
>
> Ben
> 62 olds f-85
> 68 olds 442

It did it if was hot or completeley cooled off. If I remember right it
was right after I bought my house wich was in Oct. So I don't think heat
had anything to do with it.

Daren

------------------------------

From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 17:27:49 -0300
Subject: A few engine questions...

Hey folks,

    I recently bought a '69 Cutlass 'S' from a fellow here in Austin.  I
LOVE IT!!!!

    But that aside :)  I have a few questions regarding an engine swap.
Currently it has a 350 2 barrel and TH-350 Automatic.  The number one
cylinder is losing its compression do to ring problems.  So here's the
deal : I want to build an engine (either 400 or 403) to my specs, and
replace the 350.  The 350's numbers match, so it will be rebuilt to spec
and retained for later use.  Is the 403 a big or small block?  If it is
a small block, what are the differences between it and the 400?  Will
all that parts that are transferrable between the 350 and the 400
(mainly the exhaust manifolds) remain transferrable the a 403?  I would
really prefer to use a 400 since they were actually available in 1969.

    Plans for the new engine include forged 10.5:1 pistons, moly rings,
high volume oil pump, mildly aggressive cam, Edelbrock intake, double
roller timing chain, roller cam, roller rockers, and a Q-Jet.  As money
allows, the car will recieve a 3 inch exhaust system with Flowmasters.

    Does anybody have any hints or suggestions that would make this
change easier or more effective?  I'm a little (okay a lot) power
hungry, but, being a current college student, I have to keep a few
things (mainly operation costs) in perspective.  You may rest assured
that it will recive a 455 later, when I have enough money to drive it :)

    The car is my daily driver, so my downtime will need to be mininum.
I'll take a long weekend and make the swap then.

    Thanks for all your help.  I greatly appreciate it!

Thanks,
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 21:01:01 -0300
Subject: give me a break

Any one out there got a 69' - 72' disc break set up from the spindles out
for sale?
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 17:30:05 -0300
Subject: Re: A few engine questions...

John C. Ramsey wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
>     I recently bought a '69 Cutlass 'S' from a fellow here in Austin.  I
> LOVE IT!!!!
>
>     But that aside :)  I have a few questions regarding an engine swap.
> Currently it has a 350 2 barrel and TH-350 Automatic.  The number one
> cylinder is losing its compression do to ring problems.  So here's the
> deal : I want to build an engine (either 400 or 403) to my specs, and
> replace the 350.  The 350's numbers match, so it will be rebuilt to spec
> and retained for later use.  Is the 403 a big or small block?

A 403 is a small block.  It is a derivitive of the 350.

> If it is
> a small block, what are the differences between it and the 400?

400s came as short stroke (1965-67) & long stroke (1968-69).  They are
not easily found as they are specific to 442s of those years.  Many were
prone to suffer from severe use.  A much cheaper engine & more easily
found is a 455.

Will
> all that parts that are transferrable between the 350 and the 400
> (mainly the exhaust manifolds) remain transferrable the a 403?

Yes.  I'm not positive that exhaust manifolds are actually transferrable
between 350s & 400s though.

I would
> really prefer to use a 400 since they were actually available in 1969.
>
>
>
>     The car is my daily driver, so my downtime will need to be mininum.
> I'll take a long weekend and make the swap then.

You had better have the new engine all prepared for dropping in if you
expect to only use a long weekend.
>
>     Thanks for all your help.  I greatly appreciate it!
>
> Thanks,
> John Ramsey
> '69 Cutlass 'S'

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:58:20 -0300
Subject: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense

Thought you might be interested in this:

My daughter just called me to wish me a happy Father's Day.  Adrienne is
a marketing grad student at Texas A&M.  Seems she' been very busy
preparing for a lecture she has to give to the undergrads on failed
marketing schemes.  One on the case studies: Oldsmobile!  I've asked her
to forward her stuff to me -- should make for interesting discussions.

(I've also recommended that she send her resume to Olds this coming
spring when she graduates.)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:59:38 -0300
Subject: 67 442 conv found in AL

A friend of mine relayed a find to me. A 67 442 convertable in v/g shape. I
road tripped to see it today. I found a nice car,from what I could see. It
is locked inside a power substation with BIG fences! One thing that
concerned me was the size of the side emblem on the car. It appeared larger
than I remember my old 67 having. It has a nice after market interior and
fresh black paint. The red top might have 4-5 years left. It also has a/m
rims and a louvered hood.(a lot of trouble for a cloner.) I plan to
investigate into this closer. What is a reasonable price for such a treasure?


Jim Smith
65 442

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From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:20:20 -0300
Subject: ralley rims

I just bought a '69 442 around Christmas.  I am trying to get it back to
spec.  It came with the original factory build sheet which said it came
with ralley wheels, which are no longer with the car.  Does anyone out
there have a set of 4 in good shape?  PLease let me know if so.
- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
- ------------------------------------
http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
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Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

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From: Richard Staley <rstaley@fastlane.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:22:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Some Olds Parts for Sale in CAN.

MAT M NADROFSKY wrote:
>
> Hi there, I've got a set of '65 Olds 425 Exhaust Manifolds for sale,
> as well as an Intake Manifold (2-bbl) and a Rochester 600 cfm 4bbl Q-
> jet.  I've got an Air Conditioning system from my '70  Olds for sale
> as well as a Power Steering pump and other various brackets for a '65
> Olds 425 set-up.  Hmm.. I've got a Fan for the 425 and  a TH-400
> Trany that I don't know what I am doing with yet. Does anyone out
> there have a '70 Cutlass Tailstock for my '65 Delta Th-400.  The
> existing stock is too long and I'd like to build it up as a Heavy
> duty spare for when my TH 350 decides to puke. Anyways, let me know
> what you guys think, and E-mail me at Mechwarrior2Master@prodigy.com
> for prices.  I haven't figured out what the parts are going for yet
> so it will probably be the best offer type of thing. Also, these here
> parts are up in Kitchener Ontario so anyone up here call me! :)
>
> ____
> Mat Nadrofsky
> 70 Olds Cutlass



   How much for the air cond. system from the '70 car?

  RS
'70 442 4-speed W-25

------------------------------

From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:30:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> Thought you might be interested in this:
>
> My daughter just called me to wish me a happy Father's Day.  Adrienne is
> a marketing grad student at Texas A&M.  Seems she' been very busy
> preparing for a lecture she has to give to the undergrads on failed
> marketing schemes.  One on the case studies: Oldsmobile!  I've asked her
> to forward her stuff to me -- should make for interesting discussions.
>
> (I've also recommended that she send her resume to Olds this coming
> spring when she graduates.)
>
>     66 Toro
> The /\   /\ and Mike
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
As I remember, the market study should have been on someone other than
Olds.  You go back and look at the truly ugly and gawd-awful vehicles,
most of them were other than Olds ancestry.  Anyone who remembers the
early-mid 70s to early 80's know what I refer to. What junk!  My 69
Cutlass would outrun, outpack and get better gas mileage than about
anything during that time period.  The only thing it didn't do well was
stop quickly.  It just didn't like quitting.  Enough fun, got to get
back to work.  You should be proud of your daughter, and tell her so.
They are ours for too short a time.  My daughters have already discussed
who gets what when I'm gone.  The problem they have is I don't plan on
going anytime soon.  My youngest one, the self described car nut, wants
the 69 Cutlass S conv and the 72 Hurst w/sunroof.  My oldest daughter
wants the 70 Cutlass Supreme conv and the 71 GS455 conv.  I hope I live
long enough to get them restored for them.  As I am 48 now, I better get
moving.

Later; work and financial advisor (wife) are calling me.

Don

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:35:58 -0300
Subject: Rocket Origins; was 455

In a message dated 97-06-15 14:52:50 EDT, you guys wrote:

All Olds engines are Rockets, your 455, if its from a '76 will not be
as powerful as a '70 due to power reduction from the smog laws ect.
A nice set of '70 455 heads would polish yours up and increase the
compression.  Rocket was derived from the symbol of the rocket which
Olds uses as its immortal logo.
Hope this helps. :)

( the Mechster)
>
>  Hi, thanks for answering.  I'e heard so many different
>  versions of what a rocket is.  I was on a web page with the
>  oldsmobile FAQ that said something about a Rocket has pushrods
>  or some such thing (I don't know a lot about cars)
>
>  Well, thanks fo clearing it up.
>
>  Oh, incidently, are there any serious problems
>  that could arise if someone were to put a bit too much
>  transmition fluid in?
>  I checked it a few days ago and it didn't
>  even show up on the stick, so I figured that a quart would do jus
>  fine.
>  now it's way past the full mark.
>
>
>  later,
>  jon
>

I definitely have to take issue with this. By that vague definition of rocket
you would have to call the 305ci blocks rocket engines. [{(ugh!)}]

If I am not hugely mistaken [known to happen {e.g. carburetor difficulties},
anyway] the word rocket became associated with Oldsmobiles sometime in the
late 40's/early 50's. I cannot nail down for you exactly what the original
usage was, but I am fairly certain that I saw a 1950's Oldsmobile Rocket 88
(do not quote me on this) at the IVOC Spring Dust-Off.

Further, if the AOL shareware for web pages permitted, I would have my page
constantly playing a Howlin' Wolf song where he goes on about how he has got
a rocket Oldsmobile.

The earliest example of an oldsmobile that I saw was a 1933 coupe (with a
Weiand blower!) and I did not notice any kind of a rocket on it. All others
that I have seen have a rocket in one form or another as a maker's insignia.

And just because somebody said it....

ª ......... the symbol of the rocket which Olds uses as its immortal logo.

...considering the new permutation of the rocket logo... please refer to it
properly. As Oldsmobiles _infernal_ logo. ;}

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

Ever Gathering Rhubarb?

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:39:39 -0300
Subject: Re: 8-Track Problem

At 04:32 PM 6/15/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>Does anyone know where I'd be able to find one of
>those 8-track/cassette converters now-a-days?

I've got a '75 Olds with an 8-track player, and the only place I've ever
seen one of those converters is at an auto swap meet.  Or perhaps you'd
find one at a garage sale or flea market.  As far as I know, no one is
making them new anymore.  Good luck.


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:33:42 -0300
Subject: Re: A few engine questions...

John C. Ramsey wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
>     I recently bought a '69 Cutlass 'S' from a fellow here in Austin.

    Does anybody have any hints or suggestions that would make this
> change easier or more effective?  I'm a little (okay a lot) power
> hungry, but, being a current college student, I have to keep a few
> things (mainly operation costs) in perspective.  You may rest assured
> that it will recive a 455 later, when I have enough money to drive it
>
>     The car is my daily driver, so my downtime will need to be mininum.
> I'll take a long weekend and make the swap then.
>

The exhaust manifolds will physically bolt up to the 400, however, the
350 manifolds are not very efficient (as compared to W-X-Z manifolds).
I think they may also be smaller on the outlet, but I haven't checked
the FAQ on Bryceman's page www.442.com

You may need a bigger radiator with a 400/455, but it really depends on
if it needs it.  To play it safe, you maybe SHOULD look into a larger
radiator, upper radiator hold-down for a 4-core, and lower radiator
support brackets for a 4-core if you go this route.

The 403 is the same dimensions externally as the 350, so it's a straight
swap as far as frame fitting.  The 400/455 will require you to either
use your existing 350 motor mounts, or you need to get frame and engine
mounts for the bigger cubed engines (J. Chermack on this list has frame
mounts, pretty reasonable $$ I think.)  Also, you need to check the
throttle cable.  If you are going from a 2 to a 4 barrel, I do believe
the brackets and cable are different (2 barrel carb end is shorter).  It
would probably work, but I'm not sure.

If you go with the 400/455 and you have power brakes, check the driver's
side valve cover for clearance.  You may, for instance, have to use a
A-body valve cover for that side.  It has an indentation in it for that
very reason.  But it should fit without it, although tight.

If you have A/C, you may end up having to get big block A/C brackets.
I've never actually done this swap, but I believe you may need to
replace some of the pieces.  Others on this list will correct me here if
I'm wrong.  Just something to maybe keep in mind.

Recommendation:  Buy the biggest engine with the least amount of money
as you can afford.  You will NOT be happy with a 403 (however fine it
is) if you want a 455.  I think you should concentrate for the couple of
extra dollars to obtain a 455.  Any 455 block would work great, but if
you can hang around the 68-70 model year engines, these tend to have a
little better output than later smog-laden engines. (Dang the EPA)

I hope this helps some.  Of course all of us are here if you have any
more questions.  Hey, everyone else, did I leave anything out?

Mike Rothe

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:50:40 -0300
Subject: 1965 Odometer Cable, [was Merry Salvaging.]

In a message dated 97-06-15 17:52:53 EDT, you write:

>
>  << Met Chris Ruper's wife Angie and son and daughter. The rain dried
>   eventually, over pizza and beer (yum).
>
>   David Brown >>
>
>  I think you meant that Karl dried.......  :)
>
>  Chris Ruper
>
Well, yes, but the beer helped.

And incidentally, lets have no talk about the heater from the 1932 Fix Or
Repair Daily. I have already typed the Email and addressed it to this list my
attorney (OK ...my cat) has instructions to send it if I suddenly seem unduly
harrassed or embarassed.

(hmmm, lots of ..ass..'s, but no olds content.....)

So onto a new question.

I had the wheel off today and was able to pull out the 7 inches of cable that
had broken away. Now how do I remove the rest of it?

There is a hex fitting which appears to hold the cable in the back of the
backing plate but there is not nearly enough clearance behind it for me to
even think about using tools.

The way I see it, I can do one of two things;

1)Remove the bolts from the backing plate. I do not know how much freedom
this will give me, and do not have to risk removing a brake line.

2)Undo the entire assembly behind the spindle. I did not want to attempt this
today because I believed that I would be unable to replace the cotter pin on
one of the castle nuts. None at hand.

So, I am hoping that someone out there with a 1964 through 1967 Oldsmobile,
with the speedo cable running to the driver's front tire, will have replaced
it and can tell me the best way to do it.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

I know duct tape holds stuff together, it is the taking things apart where
the problems arise.

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 23:45:17 -0300
Subject: Re: ralley rims

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
>
> I just bought a '69 442 around Christmas.  I am trying to get it back to
> spec.  It came with the original factory build sheet which said it came
> with ralley wheels, which are no longer with the car.  Does anyone out
> there have a set of 4 in good shape?  PLease let me know if so.
> --
> Daniel R. Gerow
> WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
> ------------------------------------
> http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
> ------------------------------------
> Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow


Check with James Chermack at chermac@exis.net

He usually has a good selection of rallye wheels.  But the rallyes that
came on the 69's are 14 X 6 inch wide  (skinny) ones.  You could
probably upgrade to 70-up styles that would get you 7" wide or better
for some wider tread tires.....just an idea.  I'm not just plugging for
Jim C. here, you can check hemmings, and others on the list. And the
Bryceman's Olds page classifieds at www.442.com

I just know if Jim doesn't have it, he usually knows where to get it.
Of course it makes a difference if they are the P05 (skinny chrome
spoke) or N66 (painted spoke) option.

Hope this helps,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:00:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Ash tray door/H/O scoop

MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES wrote:
>
 Ok I'll try an easy one, I hope. I know of a few places that carry
> the clips for the lid
> that goes over the ash tray, but not the lid.
>
> And does any body know how the quality of the 69 H/O hood scoop is
> that olds USA
> has in ther catalog. As far as appearance and correct size.
>
I think I may have a ash-tray cover laying around for that and it is
black.  I'll have to check my inventory of "ALMOST useless stuff" bin.

As for the 69 H/O repro scoop, I wouldn't bother, unless you are fabbing
a new hood for its use.  The studs are bigger, and not in the same
locations as the original, and the floor of the mouth of the scoop is a
lot thinner than the original.  I bought one from Year One, and I sent
it back.  NOW, if you are in a pinch and HAVE to use this scoop, then I
would try and get the studs re-located to the correct locations if
possible, and maybe smaller diameter studs too, so you won't ruin the
factory (oops, Hurst) holes in the hood.  Of course if you don't already
have an original H/O hood and need dimensions......e-mail me privately,
I can probably measure them out.

I hope I can find that ash tray door....

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:20:33 -0300
Subject: Twin Turbo, Injected 67

I wouldn't have believed this one had I not seen it myself. A 67 Cutlass
with a twin-turbocharged, multiport fuel injected Olds 455. I spotted the
car in the pits at Englishtown today (Sunday, 6/15). Unfortunately, I
couldn't seem to find the owner anywhere to chat. The intake appeared to be
a stock Olds intake with _two_ injector bosses welded on for each cylinder.
Injectors appeared to be Tomco "green stripe" 30lb/hr units (two per
cylinder - 4 fuel rails). He was running closed-loop EFI with two O2
sensors downstream of each turbo which were switch selectable from the
dash. The EFI control box was aftermarket, but I couldn't identify the
manufacturer.

I grabbed some frames from my video of the car. You guys can check them out
at:

http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic1.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic2.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic3.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic4.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic5.gif

Anybody out there know anything else about this machine ?

Rich

- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:27:46 -0300
Subject: Fwd: Rocket Engines -the story was 455

Here is the full scoop. I had still not read it. Silly Me!

- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
From:old442@erols.com (Kurt Heinrich)
Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 97-05-22 21:26:48 EDT

> > thinks that that is the engine size.  Another one I like , when you tell
> > someone that a car has a Olds 350, they ask if its a rocket...Da, just
> > told them that it was an Olds and they still ask. They don't realize
> > that the rocket is the Olds symbol, "oh just a olds 350, to bad its not
> > a rocket"  see some people were born stupid. If its a olds, its a
> > rocket.

OK, the Rocket engine debuted in 1949.  It was termed the Rocket 88
engine.  This engine was big in NASCAR, in fact with the automatic (no
manual trans available early on), the Rocket won 8 out of 10 races in
1950.  This engine had a number of interesting features; overhead
valvetrain, hydraulic lifters, oversquare bore-stroke ratio, forged
crank with counterweights, aluminum pistons, full-floating wrist-pins,
and a dual plane intake manifold.

In 1957 Olds released the J-2 Golden Rocket.  This was a 371 inch engine
with a six-pack (it only came with a six-pack) that put out 312 horses.
Pity they only made them for 1 year.

I guess that once Olds hooked onto the Rocket name in '49 and people
associated it with Oldsmobile, they continued to use it for many years
because of that association.  You could say that any ~Olds built~ V8
from '49 up is a Rocket engine

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 14:44:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Twin Turbo, Injected 67

>I wouldn't have believed this one had I not seen it myself. A 67 Cutlass
>with a twin-turbocharged, multiport fuel injected Olds 455

D*MMIT!  Someone beat me to it and outgunned me by 105 cubic inches to boot!
The plans for my 67 include a diesel block based twin turbo 350 with EFI.
Along with some sort of overdrive tranny, hopefully a 6-speed.
I'm happy someone has actually done it, and it sounds slick, but I wanted to
be first. :(

Hmmmm. I haven't heard of a twin turbo Vista Cruiser yet....  :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:29:12 -0300
Subject: Re: A few engine questions...

Hey folks,

    I recently bought a '69 Cutlass 'S' from a fellow here in Austin.  I
LOVE IT!!!!

     Great!  Welcome to Olds Ownership.

    But that aside :)  I have a few questions regarding an engine swap.
Currently it has a 350 2 barrel and TH-350 Automatic....So here's the
deal : I want to build an engine (either 400 or 403) to my specs...Is
the 403 a big or small block?

     While this appears to be confusing, the 400 (along with the 425 and
     455) is a big block Olds, while the 403 (along with your 350 and
     the 260, 307, and 330) is a small block Olds.  Neither of these
     should be confused with Chevy, Pontiac, or Buick engines of similar
     displacement; prior to the mid-70s, each GM division used its own
     proprietary engines with unique block and head castings and
     internal bore/stroke dimensions.

If it is a small block, what are the differences between it and the 400?

     The big and small block Olds motors differ externally primarily in
     the block deck height; the BBO has about a 1" taller deck to allow
     for a longer stroke.  The taller deck naturally results in a wider
     intake manifold.  Due to the larger displacement and resulting
     higher stresses on components, the BBO uses larger crank journals
     than the SBO.  Most other block geometry is the same (Trans bolt
     patterns, motor mount locations, water pump, timing chain,
     distributor, etc).  Interestingly enough, the 403 has the largest
     bore of any Olds motor.

     The SBO heads typically have smaller ports and valves than their
     BBO counterparts.  It is possible to bolt BBO heads onto a 403
     (while possible to also bolt them to other SBOs, it is useless to
     use the big block heads on the smaller displacement small blocks),
     however the taller ports will not match up with the small block
     intake.  There is an aftermarket unit available for this swap,
     however.

Will all that parts that are transferable between the 350 and the 400
(mainly the exhaust manifolds) remain transferable the a 403?

     350 exhaust manifolds will fit the 403 (but not the 400 or other
     big blocks).  Everything else is also transferable between any SBO,
     and most BBO as well, as noted above.

I would really prefer to use a 400 since they were actually available in
1969.

     True, but the 400 is probably more difficult to find than a 455.
     Since the 400 was only available in the 442 and the Vista Cruiser
     (not in your Cutlass S), you may want to drop in a built 455
     anyway.  You could build the 455 with "C" heads (correct for a 69
     400 motor) and virtually no one could tell the difference.  In
     fact, given the lack of knowledge about Olds motors in general,
     drop in the 455, paint it gold, and keep your original "Rocket 350"
     air cleaner decal.  99% of the people will be unable to tell it
     isn't a stock 350.


<snip description of buildup>

    Does anybody have any hints or suggestions that would make this
change easier or more effective?  I'm a little (okay a lot) power
hungry, but, being a current college student, I have to keep a few
things (mainly operation costs) in perspective.  You may rest assured
that it will recive a 455 later, when I have enough money to drive it :)

     Buildup cost of the 455 will be cheaper than either the 400 or the
     403.  Operating costs (read: gas mileage) will be virtually
     indistinguishable between the 400, 403, and 455 (with the ever
     popular caveat:  "when driven the same").

    The car is my daily driver, so my downtime will need to be mininum.
I'll take a long weekend and make the swap then.

     I actually did this swap overnight on my first car (68 Vista Cruiser).  I

     replaced the anemic 350 with a 425 which I had bought from a wrecking
yard
     for $100 (this was in 1975).  I started after dinner, and with the help
of
     a number of friends (the number varied as the evening wore on) we had the

     car running and driveable by 4:30 in the morning.  There were a number of

     little things which needed to be ironed out, but I was able to drive the
     car to school the next day.  The most important thing is planning and
     assembling all the parts before starting.

    Thanks for all your help.  I greatly appreciate it!

     Glad to help.  I hope this is what you were looking for.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30


------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 1997 15:01:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Twin Turbo, Injected 67

>I grabbed some frames from my video of the car. You guys can check them out
at: > >http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic1.gif
>http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic2.gif
>http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic3.gif
>http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic4.gif
>http://www.voicenet.com/rinacker/2turbo/pic5.gif

I had to tinker with the urls before I got them to work.  They all need a
squigly line ~ just before rinacker like your homepage adress has.

http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker/2turbo/pic1.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker/2turbo/pic2.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker/2turbo/pic3.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker/2turbo/pic4.gif
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker/2turbo/pic5.gif

Great pictures.  I'm still mad. :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <RBarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:50:12 -0300
Subject: Re: 455

>>My name is Jon Look, and I own a 1976 Oldsmobile Delta 88,
>>with a 455 v8 engine.
[snip]
>>Is the 455 and the 455 Rocket the same engine?
>>or is the rocket more powerful?
>>or is it the same engine and a different car?
>
>All Olds engines are Rockets, your 455, if its from a '76 will not be
>as powerful as a '70 due to power reduction from the smog laws ect.
>A nice set of '70 455 heads would polish yours up and increase the
>compression.

An earlier set of heads ('67-'69 "C" heads are most practical to find and
use) would flow more in stock form than the "J" heads on the '76 455, but
they all had the same 80cc combustion chamber, so changing the heads alone
wouldn't increase the compression ratio. You'd need new pistons to get the
compression up to a decent level.

>Oh, incidently, are there any serious problems
>that could arise if someone were to put a bit too much
>transmition fluid in?
>I checked it a few days ago and it didn't
>even show up on the stick, so I figured that a quart would do jus
>fine.
>now it's way past the full mark.

The problem would arise from an overfilled tranny's rotating parts whipping
the ATF into a frothy liquid; all those bubbles would prevent the line
pressures in the tranny from getting as high as they need to be for proper
clutch engagement (the air bubbles will be compressible), and you can burn
out your clutches.

Is it way past full when it's cold or hot? Temperature differences make a
significant change in ATF level (which is why they tell you to only check it
hot, after a long drive, with the car idling in "Park"). The other odd thing
about the transmission dipstick is that the "Add" mark is one _PINT_ below
full, not one quart like an oil dipstick (which is why I regularly
overfilled my tranny until I actually read the dipstick...).

I've driven with the tranny a pint or so over, and no adverse affects. I
don't know if I'd risk more than that. If you don't already have one, get a
drain plug in your tranny pan, so that changing fluid is that much simpler.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 03:56:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense

Don Sowers wrote:
>
> As I remember, the market study should have been on someone other than
> Olds.  You go back and look at the truly ugly and gawd-awful vehicles,
> most of them were other than Olds ancestry.

I think you missed it, Don.  It wasn't about ugly cars (and your point is
well taken), it was about ugly marketing.  The topic under discussion was
about why the "It's not your Father's Oldsmobile" marketing campaign was
such a disaster.  I don't have all her details yet but apparently among
many marketing professionals (and professors), it failed to attract the
younger crowd while at the same time alienating Olds' traditional buyers.
So they lost on both ends.

> My 69 Cutlass would outrun, outpack and get better gas mileage than
> about anything during that time period.

Aye.  Too bad they've forgotten about that.

> The only thing it didn't do well was stop quickly.

You should drive a Toronado!

> You should be proud of your daughter, and tell her so.

I am and do so.

> They are ours for too short a time.  My daughters have already
> discussed who gets what when I'm gone.

YIKES!  "Here's your hat, what's your hurry?"

> The problem they have is I don't plan on going anytime soon.

Me neither.

> As I am 48 now, I better get moving.

That would make us even up.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:57:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Twin Turbo, Injected 67

In a message dated 97-06-15 23:18:35 EDT, you write:

> I wouldn't have believed this one had I not seen it myself. A 67 Cutlass
>  with a twin-turbocharged, multiport fuel injected Olds 455. I spotted the
>  car in the pits at Englishtown today (Sunday, 6/15). Unfortunately, I
>  couldn't seem to find the owner anywhere to chat. The intake appeared to
be
>  a stock Olds intake with _two_ injector bosses welded on for each
cylinder.
>  Injectors appeared to be Tomco "green stripe" 30lb/hr units (two per
>  cylinder - 4 fuel rails). He was running closed-loop EFI with two O2
>  sensors downstream of each turbo which were switch selectable from the
>  dash. The EFI control box was aftermarket, but I couldn't identify the
>  manufacturer.
>

WOOOOW!!!
I like it!!
How much would a system like this cost?  $3000-4000?
Lots of homework involved!
Why would you need 2 oxygen sensors?
Incredible!

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S (Wants twin turbos)

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:53:44 -0300
Subject: 70 SX for sale

OK everyone!  Tomorrow (6/16) I'm going to look at a 69 442 parts car.
The guy also mentioned he had a 70 Cutlass "something" for sale, $1400.
He said it looked like there was a "little box with SS" next to the
Cutlass badge.  I asked if it was "SX" and he said that it probably was,
he wasn't sure.  I don't know the shape it's in, but if the car has been
around here, (SC) all its life, and not smashed, it should have minimal
rust.  If anyone is interested in it, I will do a more thorough check on
the car than my usual scan-over.  I know this is short notice, but the
guy just returned my call about 15 minutes ago.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 00:32:47 -0300
Subject: FWD: 86 Olds 442 - $2,000.00

I found this. Anyone interested? Good luck!
Nick

> Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 22:02:49 -0400
> From: Robert Raab <rraab@ibm.net>

> Newsgroups: austin.forsale
> Subject: 86 Olds 442 - $2,000.00

> 1986 Oldsmobile 442. Loaded. 307 High Output, Auto, Power accessories.
> Great 'muscle' car, 138K, Black/silver with T-Tops.
> Grey interior in excellent condition.  Needs new front bumper from minor
> accident.
>
> Divorced and must sell.  My loss is your gain!
> Call Robert at 441-2406 or e-mail raab@vnet.ibm.com

P.S. His area code would be 512, for Austin, Texas.

     -----------------------------------------------------------
     Nick Gomez       Dallas, Texas     Live Concert Tape Trader
     MSTieª 53344     Ska! Ska! Ska!      1965 Olds Ninety Eight

     -----------------------------------------------------------

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:16:52 -0300
Subject: 71 Cutlass S convertible for sale

This was listed in southeast Texas newspaper

      1971 Cutlass S convertible
       excellent condition
       $5800 or best offer
       (409) 755-4312

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S

------------------------------

From: jde <jde@ameritech.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:34:21 -0300
Subject: 1970 442 convertible

I am restoring a 442 convertible need many parts. Any info or catalogs
appreciated. Jim-Cleveland,OHIO

------------------------------

From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:31:02 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 SX for sale

MROTHE wrote:
>
> OK everyone!  Tomorrow (6/16) I'm going to look at a 69 442 parts car.
> The guy also mentioned he had a 70 Cutlass "something" for sale, $1400.
> He said it looked like there was a "little box with SS" next to the
> Cutlass badge.  I asked if it was "SX" and he said that it probably was,
> he wasn't sure.  I don't know the shape it's in, but if the car has been
> around here, (SC) all its life, and not smashed, it should have minimal
> rust.  If anyone is interested in it, I will do a more thorough check on
> the car than my usual scan-over.  I know this is short notice, but the
> guy just returned my call about 15 minutes ago.
>
> Mike Rothe

Mike,

I might be interested in the car.  Also I am checking a couple of 69
Cutlass parts cars here in Ky.  What parts are you looking for
generally?  If you are in S C, we might be able to swap some if things
worked out.  I'm working on a 69 S conv with 350  4-bbl, 4-spd.  One of
the parts cars is a S conv with automatic.  It's pretty well ragged out,
but could donate some usable parts.  I'm looking for a decent driver
while some of my projects move forward (hopefully).  Hit me with an
e-mail at dstaxpro@lex.infi.net with any info you get.  Thank you.

Don Sowers







i

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:15:38 -0300
Subject: Re: B, O, or P 455? Which is better?

>It depends on how you look at it. You can go to a junk yard pick up an
>Olds engine for less than $100 to get a Chevy block thats as structurely
>as strong you'll have to buy an after market block $500-$1000. Chevy's
>have a poor rod angle so your looking at $300-$800 in parts and machine
>work to bring the Chevy up to Olds standards. The up front cost are
>lower for a Chevy but more times than not it wont last as long as an
>Olds and will need more machine work when it comes time for a rebuild
>because Chevy engines are not as durable as Olds engines. So it depends
>on when you want to spend your money. I'd rather spend a little more
>money now. I've only owned 6 vehicles and only one has been Chevy
>powered ('89 GMC C1500) and it's motor is by far the worst. Only 2 of my
>cars have had less miles. I'm not saying this to insult any body but, I
>think the reason why magazines have so many articles on how to rebuild a
>Chevy is because if your stupid enough to buy one then you probable
>can't remember how to rebuild the engine when it comes time for the
>bi-monthly rebuild. Like I said I own one (basically).


Whew....  Finally a voice of reason.  Man, I'm gone for a couple days, and
everyone starts praising ch*vy's!  What's goin' on here?  :)
Hmmmm....



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:37:56 -0300
Subject: New update

Well, made it down to Sidney last week, and got a house lined up, and the
job settled.  I start on this Wed.  Hopefully my ISP will be functional by
then!!!  One of the first things I noticed down there was the abundance of
Oldsmobiles.  ~Lots~ of em!  :)  ~AND~, most of them were on the ~other~
side of the ravine (i.e. they were no longer going downhill, they were
working their way back ~up~ -- i.e.  ~getting built!~)  Really cool.  Spent
Wed evening at my friend's friend's house eating supper (not a typo,
honest)  This guy's got a collection of GM pickups that was fairly
impressive.  Heard stories of collections of other town members, many of
them Olds collections :)  One of the Olds guys showed up, and we talked
Olds for a while.  Checked out his '77 Cutlass.  Primer, needs help, but
seems to be getting it.  Next day found me looking for housing.  Found.
Then went to ISP place, and ironed out a few more details.  Then went to
Omni Electronics/Radio Shack.  The place I'll now be calling home (at least
during business hours...)  Met another co-worker, and talked Olds some
more...  Then talked stereo stuff...  After a while, work called us to exit
the back door (forgot why because of what was out there...)  This
coworker's car was parked by the back door.  '85 442!  I looked at Jeremy
(the friend/manager there) and said "ya know?  I'm ~really~ gonna love it
here!!!"  Nice car, T-tops, buckets, etc.  No scoop or wing, but still
sweet.  I'm ~really~ gonna like it there!  :)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:40:11 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile Edge????  ANYBODY???

In past conversations, I've heard many people bring up Oldsmobile's "Edge"
package.  I've heard of different people who supposedly know everything
about them, etc.  Of course, these people have never been introduced to me,
it's only been "so-and-so knows ~everything~ about those cars..."  I've
~seen~ a few "Edge" cars, but have no information about what that really
means.  Anybody?????????????????




             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:21:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Read this beauty about a 442......

>> Man I wish I had my TA there with SLP headers and Open Borla!! Sounded way
>> better.  However, when I was having my Borla installed, there was a '70
>442
>> Cuda that would make me sound like a chump. SO......I was happy with how
>my
>> car sounds now :]
>>
>>                         later,
>
>Name withheld to protect this poor sole....haha!
>
>

Ouch!  Has he been sent in for treatment yet?  Why not!??!  :)

Oh, Jason, I saw that convert TA again this week, with the top down.  Met
on the highway, so I didn't have a chance to shoot a picture (although I
~almost~ locked up the brakes and spun around, but I had the Rockit on a
car trailer following really close behind me, so I didn't...)  BTW, it
looked pretty cool.  It's got a white bird on the hood, too.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:25:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Trans coolers

>I _think_ it's supposed to be the other way. Someone told me years ago that
>in the frozen North (anything North of Georgia ;-)), you can actually get the
>trans fluid too cold doing that. The warm engine coolant in the radiator will
>ensure adequate warmth.

That was always my impression also.  It really makes little difference,
unless you're in the cold climates, and I would leave it up to personal
preference.  With the cooler before the radiator, you're insured a stable,
constant tranny temperature (as stable as you can get, at least) but with
it after the rad, you'd get more cooling efficiency, I suppose...

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: jde <jde@ameritech.net>
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:49:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 SX for sale

Don Sowers wrote:
>
> MROTHE wrote:
> >
> > OK everyone!  Tomorrow (6/16) I'm going to look at a 69 442 parts car.
> > The guy also mentioned he had a 70 Cutlass "something" for sale, $1400.
> > He said it looked like there was a "little box with SS" next to the
> > Cutlass badge.  I asked if it was "SX" and he said that it probably was,
> > he wasn't sure.  I don't know the shape it's in, but if the car has been
> > around here, (SC) all its life, and not smashed, it should have minimal
> > rust.  If anyone is interested in it, I will do a more thorough check on
> > the car than my usual scan-over.  I know this is short notice, but the
> > guy just returned my call about 15 minutes ago.
> >
> > Mike Rothe
>
> Mike,
>
> I might be interested in the car.  Also I am checking a couple of 69
> Cutlass parts cars here in Ky.  What parts are you looking for
> generally?  If you are in S C, we might be able to swap some if things
> worked out.  I'm working on a 69 S conv with 350  4-bbl, 4-spd.  One of
> the parts cars is a S conv with automatic.  It's pretty well ragged out,
> but could donate some usable parts.  I'm looking for a decent driver
> while some of my projects move forward (hopefully).  Hit me with an
> e-mail at dstaxpro@lex.infi.net with any info you get.  Thank you.
>
> Don Sowers
>
> i
Please add me to your notification list on the parts availible. need
convertible parts. JIM--Cleveland

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From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 01:48:02 -0300
Subject: 1971 442

Ok everyone,

I just found out that a good buddy of mine is selling his 1971 442.
It's got a 455 in it with a log of extras.  The car is in very good
shape, forest green with the white stripe on the hood.  I am not too
sure of any other datails.  If anyone is interested email me here at
dgerow@stonehill.edu
If you'd like more info. I can get it for you.  We are locates in the
New Englans area.
I think he is asking around $5000 or so
D.R.G.
- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3 Stonehill College Radio
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http://www2.stonehill.edu/wshl
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Homepage: http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow

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