
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 10 1997       Volume 01 : Number 792



Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)
Re: Why did it fry? (long)
Re:  Olds for Sale in Ontario, Canada
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
Home movies
Re: history of your car? try this!
Re: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)
Sorry
Re: Lansing list
(no subject)
You never know where  (long)
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
Re: You never know where  (long)
Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)
Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
'69 VIN
Illinois Chapter car show.
Just addin' my name to the Lansing List!
Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)
Alternative for Lansing 
new to this
Re: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???
Re: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)
For Sale: 69 H/O
425 Olds Questions
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
3x2 intake?
Re: 3x2 intake?
Re: 3x2 intake?
Re: 3x2 intake?
New addition to the yard
Re: 3x2 intake?
Hell of a deal, folks
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
UNBOUNCE: New Addition to the yard
UNBOUNCE: Hell of a deal, folks
Lansing accomodations
ADMIN: Apologies for Chebucto
Suggestion: An International Helping Hand
Sparkmobile - More Diagnostics
Sparky's ailment
UNBOUNCE: Sparky's ailment
Belts....

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)

Hi,
      Just finished with 4 coats of del-glo clear the job is done. Now the
fun part stripes and reasembly. Steve (right arm a little tired now).
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
OCA #016050

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 12:36:46 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Why did it fry? (long)

Christian Fair wrote:
> 
> Those of you who've been around awhile may remember my recent (7 
> months?) rewire of my 66 98. Well, it ran great until last Saturday 
> when some circuit hooked to the battery got grounded and fried many 
> wires in front of the firewall.

Oooo.  Bummer.

> I disconnected the battery before anything caught fire... Happily no
> permanent damage this time...

Whew.  That's good.

> When I put in the limo alternator years ago, I put in a parallel 6 or 8 
> ga. wire between the junction block and alternator, it has worked well 
> for years, but is this parallel output a bad idea?

Nope.  It's fine.  Electrons wouldn't care.

> 1) What could cause the alternator heavy lead to melt?

As you said, something gounded somewhere.

> 2) Could the removal of the yellow wire to the starter have 
> contributed?

Not likely.

> 3) Have any of you had this problem?

Nope.

> 4) Are there protections I can put in place between the battery and the
> rest of the harness in case of trouble like switches?

Sure.  Fuses, circuit bearkers, etc.  Will send details if you need them.

> 5) With the extra-beefy alternator, is it a good idea to run 10 or 8 
> ga. wire and replace the factory solution, instead of the parallel 
> line?

Neater certainly but I doubt, with good connections, there'd be any 
electrical difference.

> Lesson for the day is always carry a fire extinguisher in your old 
> Olds.

Aye.  Good luck on the repairs and let us know what you find.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 12:05:25 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re:  Olds for Sale in Ontario, Canada

 Checked hotels in Lansing yesterday. Couldn't find one. Ended up in Battle
Creek (about 40 minutes from Lansing). The hotel is the Battle Creek Inn,
Ph. 800 232-3405. $75 a day. The hotel people I talked to in Lansing
couldn't even recommend anything closer.
If anyone on the List hears of anything, (cancellations etc.), please let
everyone know.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kerr, Brian (R) <Brian.Kerr@toronto.basf-corp.com>
To: 'Olds List' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 8:16 AM
Subject: Olds for Sale in Ontario, Canada



>
>The following are from a Southern Ontario 'trader' type of publication.
>Havent seen them, dont know them etc, but most will be within 2-5 hours of
>Lansing.
>
>72 Cutlass Supreme 350 buckets all orig $3000     905 318 5025  (Hamilton)
>72 Cutlass Supreme dark green disc brakes pw $2000  519 252 8937 (Windsor)
>71 Cutlass bebuilt 350 sell whole or parts 905 389 0050  (Hamilton)
>71 Cutlass S Fully restored 14,000 in reciepts will sell for $8000  905 985
>1853
>69 Cutlass Supreme Conv 350 68,000 mi needs new exhaust and lower panel
body
>work $1997 905 643 7858
>69 Cutlass Conv  ps pb pt newer top paint floors seats  red w/ black
>interior $4600 certified 519 749 0917 (Kitchener)
>67 Cutlass Conv all new metal solid original car good drivetrain needs
>finish London 519 659 4817
>66 Delta 88 conv 425 buckets console needs new top and body work $1000 519
>237 3136 (near London Ont)
>60 Olds 2 dr bubble HT 108,000 mi 1 owner baby blue interior like new needs
>paint to become show car $3950 (Thornhill - Near Toronto)  905 881 9067
>
>Remember that these prices are in Canadian  $$$
>
>Brian Kerr
>(Hoping to go to Lansing, haven't called for a Hotel room yet! Any
>suggestions or phone numbers of hotels that aren't filled up yet?)
>69 Cutlass Conv - under restoration.
>
>Email - kerrb@basf-corp.com
>work phone 1-800 565 9586
>

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 13:58:37 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> I was junkyarding yesterday at a new place about an hour from here, and
> on the way home swung by the strip where the car dealers are. On one of
> the lots was an '80 4-4-2 W-30 for sale. Jason, I guess this is the same
> car as yours. If so, I'm envious!

Yes, my car is just like it ;-)
> Huge chrome things on the seatback sides...
> do these recline? 

Yes, they recline backwards.
> It's loaded too, has just about every option including a
> sunroof. 

Well then this car is non original if it has a sunroof. To me the value
of the car is destroyed as a collectable because of this. You could get
t-tops, but not a factory sunroof.


> What a sweet car! It shows 16,000 on the odometer which I'm
> assuming is really 116,000 km (about 70,000 miles) but looks like it
> could be 16K, it's that nice. The bad news: they want $10,900 Cdn for it,
> which translates to around $8K US. 

Well if he gets $8,000 out of that I can get $12,000 out of mine ;-)
Asking price is a bit too high to me. I bought mine for $4,000 but I was
~extremely~ lucky in that the owner of the used car lot did not know
what he had. I have had offers as high as $9,000 for it at shows. I just
can't sell my baby ;-)

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 10:59:50 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Home movies

My Grandfather owned a Studebaker dealership  - nothing left regarding it
except the Invitation to it's grand opening - I'm going to get it framed.
I recently had my mother go through all their photos & slides to try and
find a complete photo of their 1959 Opal Wagon (looked just like a '57 Ford
Country Squire) as it was a 2 door and the Station Wagon Book guy wanted to
see one.  Anyway, we discovered that my parents never took a picture of the
WHOLE car at one time - she ended up giving me a shot of the front & then
one of the back!  Well, the 2 Buick convertibles ('52 & '54) they ordered &
picked up in Detroit did get photographed completely.

By the way - that little 6 cylinder wagon made many trips up through the
back roads of British Columbia hunting & camping, hauling canoes and deer &
people like it was nothing, and lasted till my Dad couldnt replace it's
fuel pump in 1972.  

I did end up getting the ONE complete photo she had of my first car - a '63
Nova SS.  
Maybe that's why I have books & books of pictures of all the cars I've had
- -  subconcious frustration!

Well sorry for the dithering content .


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 11:09:21 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: history of your car? try this!

Is this a 'title search'?  There are companies that do this as well.  I've
never tried it on my lost '67 Cutlass I sold because with my luck they'd
find the da*n thing & I'd have to buy it back.  Sounds interesting - anyone
done one?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 11:06:11 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)

Sounds like you should grab this stuff if its (obviously) reasonable and
you can USE it.  I don't think your overdoing it on your Delta - its your
daily driver & admit, that means it has to be as *nice* as you can possibly
make it.  GO for it Greg - you won't go wrong.
Just think how much nicer it will be with all that stuff on it.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 20:37:50 +0200
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Sorry

>Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 22:11:39 -0300
>From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
>Subject: Re: Re: urgent help needed

>Mr. Klinger,
> Let me assure you the reason I commented that your message was "cool" was
that
>I was impressed that there were Olds fans in europe.I am absolutely shocked
>that you could read any kind of insult into it.To somehow read into my short
>comment that I was implying that you were trying to get something for nothing
>is amazing!As for your comment about this list not being serious
enough,please
>don't let your totally wrong conclusions lead anyone to look down,in any
way,on
>this fine web site.
>Charles (Fred) Kemp
>'67 442
>'67 cutlass

Charles (and all other members of the list), it´s high time to apologize! 
The german language is full of americanisms, the word "cool" is often used
in a german sentence to adress a person in a critical way I falsely
supposed to see in your mail.
I was misled by this german usage of the word.
I´m sorry about that.

As to the subject: A reader of the list pointed out to me that "Hubcap
Annie" could be found on the internet. She told me that there are two kinds
of hubcaps for a 78 Supreme. Have to check this first.

A propos Olds fans in Europe: Our club has about 110 members mainly from
Germany and Switzerland. Some cars are
´39 Business Coupé, two ´47 66, ´49 Futuramic, ´51 and two ´53 convert., a
lot of ´55 to ´58, ´67 Delmont 88 convert., ´69 Cutlass convert.,  a
somehow unique ´83 98 Regency, a lot of Toros, Starfires, Calais, some 442
and so on.

I think that I will give a detailed report of the meeting in September.

And now something personal:
The manager of our club, Miss Evi Jackwerth of Munich, has a very hard time
in the moment. Her mother died last monday and her youngest son is in
hospital because of cancer.
She assured me in a phone call, that she has strength and enthusiasm enough
to complete all the preparations for the German Olds Centennial Meeting on
30/31th of August in Mindelheim.

I think it could be very helpful for her if some of the Olds fans in this
list could send her a postcard wishing her all success for the meeting.

Her adress is  

Evi Jackwerth
Zuericher Str. 31
D 81476 München

Thank you all, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 15:19:30 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing list

Updating the list again, I hope everyone is on here now.


_______________________________________________________________________
    NAME                 HOTEL               DATE          
CAR             ====                 =====               ====          
===
Adams, Tom           Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta conv
Allen, Joseph        Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
Bicker, Steve        Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass 70 W-30
Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass S
Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
Gillespie, Mick      Battle Creek Inn     8/21-23   69 Cutlass S conv
Glista, Nikki        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
Glista, Richard      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 442
Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
Hall, Mike           Holiday Inn West     8/21-24   72 Cutlass S
Handren, Bob&Cheryl  Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   67 442 W-30
Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
Hoopingarner, Kevin  Cottonwood CG        8/19-24   none
Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
Kitchner, Doug       Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
Kobinsky, Jeff&Patti Days Inn             8/20-22   86 98
Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 Starfire
Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
O'Connor, Peg        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   none
Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
Richmond, John       FairField Inn West   8/22-23   72 442
Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
Westlake, Steve      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 98
Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
_______________________________________________________________________LLIST
TOTAL = 54 People

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 14:17:18 +0000
From: Mike Shokouhi <mikevs1@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 16:12:31 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: You never know where  (long)

This past week I went north for a couple of days to visit family.  My
father told me he had heard of a 69 cutlass that had been parted out and he
thought he might know where the car went to what wreckers
So we crabbed some tools and off we went.  Hour or so later we found the
yard, talk to the owner and no such luck he never heard of the Olds being
scrapped.
So discourage we hopped back into my van and on we went back home.  While
driving down the road we saw a field full of washing machine, fridges and
stoves.  So we stopped in to ask if he knew of any wreckers in the area.
He replied what you guys looken for. 
I said Oldsmobiles 68-72 
He said got somethin like that out back, got her a few years ago
So he pointed to a mound of sand and said look back there 
When Dad and I came around the hill there were about 15 beat up old
wreck....Really beat up
But we did find a 69 442....Burnt to a crisp.  But I was able to get the
rear end and the Sway bar
There was also the remnance of a 70 Cutlass and a 65 Olds Wagon
We hadn't the time to check the other wrecks much as the place was closing
up but be sure enough I will return to look much harder for good pieces in
the next few weeks .
You just never know where you will find a car, ever in a washing machine
wreckers


Robert Schinkel
1970 W-31
1970 442 Conv.
1970 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:33:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

On Sat, 9 Aug 1997, Jason Labay wrote:
> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> > It's loaded too, has just about every option including a
> > sunroof. 
> Well then this car is non original if it has a sunroof. To me the value
> of the car is destroyed as a collectable because of this. You could get
> t-tops, but not a factory sunroof.

Geez... this sure didn't look like a hack job. It was a metal sunroof, 
paint matched the rest of the car perfectly. Next time I go down that way 
I'll have to look at it again from the interior side. It looked factory 
to me though. I didn't know they only made 342 of these cars, had no idea 
it was that rare.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:06:02 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: You never know where  (long)

 Are you interested in selling the rear end? Did you retreive the whole unit
out to the drums? Do you know the ratio? I would like to convert my cutlass
to posi with a better ratio than the 3.08. It would also solve my bent axle
problem. E-mail privately if you're interested.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 3:16 PM
Subject: You never know where (long)



>This past week I went north for a couple of days to visit family.  My
>father told me he had heard of a 69 cutlass that had been parted out and he
>thought he might know where the car went to what wreckers
>So we crabbed some tools and off we went.  Hour or so later we found the
>yard, talk to the owner and no such luck he never heard of the Olds being
>scrapped.
>So discourage we hopped back into my van and on we went back home.  While
>driving down the road we saw a field full of washing machine, fridges and
>stoves.  So we stopped in to ask if he knew of any wreckers in the area.
>He replied what you guys looken for.
>I said Oldsmobiles 68-72
>He said got somethin like that out back, got her a few years ago
>So he pointed to a mound of sand and said look back there
>When Dad and I came around the hill there were about 15 beat up old
>wreck....Really beat up
>But we did find a 69 442....Burnt to a crisp.  But I was able to get the
>rear end and the Sway bar
>There was also the remnance of a 70 Cutlass and a 65 Olds Wagon
>We hadn't the time to check the other wrecks much as the place was closing
>up but be sure enough I will return to look much harder for good pieces in
>the next few weeks .
>You just never know where you will find a car, ever in a washing machine
>wreckers
>
>
>Robert Schinkel
>1970 W-31
>1970 442 Conv.
>1970 Cutlass Conv.
>

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 17:07:27 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)

Steve,
       which one are you taking to Lansing?

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue, modified 455), '67 4-4-2 (white, original
un-restored), '67 4-4-2 Convertable, original un-restored

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:50:45 -0300
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: My 4-4-2 story, (long)

Hi RC

Great story.  I noticed your references to VA and MD.  I'm always interested
in hooking up with Olds owners in the DC area.  I live in Great Falls VA.
 Have you seen the string on the list recently about Chubby's Cruise Night
every Saturday in Manassas?  I'm planning on being there this Saturday to
help fill out the Olds contingent.  Any chance you could make it too?  

Tom SImmons
Great Falls, VA
deovivere@aol.com
71 SX

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 20:54:32 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Geez... this sure didn't look like a hack job. It was a metal sunroof,
> paint matched the rest of the car perfectly. Next time I go down that way
> I'll have to look at it again from the interior side. It looked factory
> to me though. I didn't know they only made 342 of these cars, had no idea
> it was that rare.

Greg, all told there were 886 of the 80 442 W-30's made. 346 were
white/gold, the 540 were black/gold. I have done alot of research on
these cars and have never seen an option, or a car for that matter with
a factory sunroof that was an 80 442 W-30. It ~could~ be possible it was
a factory unstall....if so that is one seriously rare car. Also a
possibility it was a dealer installed option upon delivery, like my rear
spoiler was. Let me know more details on the car if you go and look at
it. Could you take pictures of both the exterior, interior and sunroof?
I would pay you for all the troubles. I like to gather photos on the 80
442 W-30 as Olds never had a factory photo made of the car. Thanks! 

- -- 

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 19:31:47 -0300
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '69 VIN

Just received the title for my 'new' '69 Toronado - can anyone help me
decode (stupid question)

394879m615790 - I know what the M stand for but nothing else!!!

Thanks -
P.S.  I pick this car up next weekend - keep your fingers crossed I can
borrow the flat bed tow from work and save the V-C another nasty hauling job.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:06:11 -0300
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Illinois Chapter car show.

Is anybody going to the car show in Illinois? It's at dave Miller Oldsmobile,
tomorrow, August 10 in the middle of the day. I think that registration is in
the morning. If you know anything on this show or if you are going to it
e-mail nme and tell me what kind of car you are taking! Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:47:13 -0300
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Just addin' my name to the Lansing List!

Just adding my name!
_______________________________________________________________________
    NAME                 HOTEL               DATE          
CAR             ====                 =====               ====          
===
Adams, Tom           Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta conv
Allen, Joseph        Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
Bicker, Steve        Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass 70 W-30
Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass S
Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
Gillespie, Mick      Battle Creek Inn     8/21-23   69 Cutlass S conv
Glista, Nikki        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
Glista, Richard      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 442
Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
Hall, Mike           Holiday Inn West     8/21-24   72 Cutlass S
Handren, Bob&Cheryl  Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   67 442 W-30
Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
Hoopingarner, Kevin  Cottonwood CG        8/19-24   none
Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
Kitchner, Doug       Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
Kobinsky, Jeff&Patti Days Inn             8/20-22   86 98
Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 Starfire
McKeague, Jim     Holiday Inn South    8/20-23   70 Cutlass W31
Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
O'Connor, Peg        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   none
Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
Richmond, John       FairField Inn West   8/22-23   72 442
Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
Westlake, Steve      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 98
Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
_______________________________________________________________________LLIST
TOTAL = 54 People

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:07:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: My 70 442 Ready for Paint (Finally!!!)

Doug,
         I will bring my saffron 67 442 all stock.
                                                             Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
OCA #016050

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:26:06 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Alternative for Lansing 

Hey, guys,

If anyone is still seeking Lansing accommodations, I live about one hour 
from Lansing...I have some space available if someone needs a 
campsite/trailer drop to make the commute to/from Lansing.  I'd hate to see 
anyone miss the Centennial due to space restrictions!  Please reply to me 
privately, if anyone needs help yet.....


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 21:24:00 -0400
From: "Craig Homer" <c6c6d6nb@coastalnet.com>
Subject: new to this

Hello,

	I just surfed in a few days ago. What a great place! Nice to know I'm not
alone out here. I've had a 67 Cutlass Supreme for about nine years now. I
got it from my Grandmother when I was 16. I joined the Marine Corps 2 years
later and left it with my parents to take care of (BIG mistake).It's been
sitting out in the sun in California for about seven years now, and is need
of a lot of work. I'm looking for any suggestions or hints that anyone
might have. I do have acouple of specific questions right now.
1. I need a front upper cotrol arm. Will any control arm work if it's off
an A body?
2. Who are the best suppliers of Olds parts out there?
	Thanks.  
   	Craig
FYI- Its a 67 Holiday Coupe(?, no B pillar, just a strip of molding when
the windows are up). 330 HC, Jetaway, originally crystal blue, built in
Fremont.
vin: 338177Z107704
I have an original service and body manual also.

 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 18:16:44 -0400
From: taxlady@sbccom.com (Sieglinde Kuzava)
Subject: Re: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???

My 78 Cutlass has the same problem, tho not so bad as to cause it to fail
state insp.  All of the advice I have gotten is to remove those screws with
funny-looking heads, :-), give 'em a dose of Loctite and reinstall them. 
Let me know how easy or difficult this is, as I am trying to wait till I
get a new steering wheel so I can do both jobs at once.

- ----------
> From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Tilt wheel-- Pivot pins???
> Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 12:13 AM
> 
>   My car failed state inspection because of too much lateral and
horizontal
> movement in the steering column. So i decided to give it a go and fix it
> myself. So far with tools in one hand and my genuine 1977 Olds service
> manual i've done pretty good. Right now i've reached the inner housing in
> front of the bowl. 
> 
>   Looking down through the housing i can already see at least three
screws
> with funny looking heads that need tightening. I dont know if tightening
> them will do the trick because looking at a picture in the service manual
> the SPHERICAL JOINT that connects the upper shaft to the lower shaft
seems
> to be the culprit. Can anyone tell me if this is correct. Is this joint
> repaired by replacing it or some kind of tightening? My manual says i
need a
> tool that will remove the pivot pins (tool #j-21854-1). (HAd to order the
> tool will arrive monday afternoon) Anyone with experience care to say if
> this is easy or hard?                
> 
> Also while the column is apart any suggestions as to what things should
be
> replaced at this time?? Also lithium grease-- still available or is there
an
> equivalent?
> 
> TIA 
> 
> Aaron D Eoff
>    ///////  ///////
>        //       //
>       //       //
>      //       //
>     //       //  'twas a goodyear
> 
> 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 21:55:18 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Stop Me Before I Restore This Thing! :)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Anyway, this time I scored the interior B-pillar trim, a mint remote
> mirror to replace my cockeyed one, a power trunk release setup, a hood
> ornament (mine was broken), and a few little bits. Cost me another $45.
> The scary thing is that the junker Royale has perfect armrests... with
> power locks. Plus power windows. Plus a set of real nice wheel opening
> moldings. The yard owner said he'd take $100 for all of it. My pal Brian
> wants me to go back with him, make a day of it and get them, and he'll
> help me install them on mine. Also says I should fork out $75 for the
> Royale's perfect front bumper, which I also want. What I'd really like
> would be the beefy front sway bar from a police package plus the rear bar,
> to sharpen up the cornering. Plus this yard has a set of the actual '78
> wheel discs for another $20 which I now figure maybe I should grab anyway.
> All this started by looking for an armrest, remember...

Greg,

Since you've already added the fancy radio and power trunk, power
windows and locks are the natural followers.  If you've got a full-size
Olds you NEED these!  But, you should add a power seat as well.  My '79
Royale had a power seat, but no power windows or locks and I hated not
having them.  I'm sure the conversion would be worth the effort.  Is it
possible to transfer the whole Royale interior?
 
I don't think I'd spend the money on the wheel covers.  Hold out for
wire caps or those elusive chrome wheels (I've seen these at Carlisle). 
Any Delta worth it's salt should have wires or chrome wheels.

I'm bringing a '78 Advance Ordering Information book along to Lansing
for you.  Hope I get to see you to give it to you.

Paul
> Here we go again... ;-)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 21:01:41 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: For Sale: 69 H/O

While we were out snooping around in other people's driveways, back
yards, etc. for Cutlasses, my eagle-eyed wife spotted a 69 Hurst Olds. I
left a note on the owner's door and he called me. After some small talk,
he expressed an interest in selling the car. It would be well above my
price range, so I thought that I would mention it here.

The car has just under 22k original miles, and has been modified
somewhat (electronic ignition, replacement block and some other engine
mods). The engine has been rebuilt recently after ingesting water into a
cylinder and bending the rod. The exterior is nearly perfect, having
been repainted in original colors about 4 years ago. The interior looked
to be mostly original, though I did note an aftermarket tach on the
steering column. I'm not sure about the documentation or other details
at this time.

If anyone is seriously interested, e-mail me privately with your phone
number and I will pass it along to the owner. BTW, I am not getting
anything from this, just helping out a fellow Olds owner.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 21:05:16 +0000
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: 425 Olds Questions

I am looking into buying a 425 Olds engine to help my 72 S move along a
bit better. (Actually, I want to go hunting 5.0 Rustangs!) I know next
to nothing about this engine; good, bad or indifferent. I am seeking a
little enlightenment from wiser (and probably greyer) heads...

JR

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:06:34 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

Jason Labay wrote:
 
> Yes, they recline backwards.
> > It's loaded too, has just about every option including a
> > sunroof.
> 
> Well then this car is non original if it has a sunroof. To me the value
> of the car is destroyed as a collectable because of this. You could get
> t-tops, but not a factory sunroof.

Jason

Where did you get this idea?  Option CA1 was the Metal Panel Electric
Sliding Sunroof @ $561.00.  CF5 was the Silver Tinted Laminated Glass
Panel Electric Sliding Astroroof @ $773.00.  I don't see any comments in
the order book about either one of these not being available with the
W30.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:29:35 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: 3x2 intake?

Hi all,

For the 66 442 crowd, or anyone else that KNOWS these cars, how much is
a 3x2 intake off a 400 go for nowadays.  C'mon, be serious here.  I know
Chris Witt will offer me $5 for it.....

Seriously, I was going through my inventory of stuff (wife calls it
JUNK"), and I forgot I even had this thing.  It has an "F" on the
passenger side, and on the drivers side by the water outlet it has
"393238".  Excellent condition.  I was thinking on selling it, but I'm
not sure.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't only a handful of these
manifolds available?  It doesn't have the center carb, or the fuel
lines, but the end carbs with their linkage, and 2 chrome air cleaners
are there, it has the choke spring, the tall oil filler tube with fuel
strainer bracket WITH it (not IN it), and that funky little cross over
blocker in it.  I originally planned it for a 69 442 I had way back.

Any help here?  If I remembered what I paid for it, (I think it was a
big chunk of change) I would already have an idea, but I'm getting
senile I guess.  I was thinking of around $900-1K range, but I may be
dreaming....wake me up if I am.  I've had it for probably over 10 years.

Also I have a dual quad big Olds Offy 360 aluminum 4x2 hi-rise for AFB
carbs.  Old sucker.  But in really good shape.  One bolt hole for one of
the carb mounts is heli-coiled though... thought around $140??????

Are these fair prices or no?  Experts hep me out here.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:41:05 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: 3x2 intake?

Mike,

I have a '66 tripower setup as well.....I paid $300 for it, complete with 
all three carbs and fuel lines in 1984.  There were only 2120 of these 
puppies made in the one year of production, and...nobody's making any more!

The center carb is the easy one to replace.....the outer two have the idle 
circuits eliminated.  Fuel lines are no big deal.  I won't sell mine for any 
price, but I've seen them for sale in the $1000 range.  Whether they sold 
for that price, who knows?  I would at least put that price tag on it and 
see...you can always come down.


>Hi all,
>
>For the 66 442 crowd, or anyone else that KNOWS these cars, how much is
>a 3x2 intake off a 400 go for nowadays.  C'mon, be serious here.  I know
>Chris Witt will offer me $5 for it.....
>
>Seriously, I was going through my inventory of stuff (wife calls it
>JUNK"), and I forgot I even had this thing.  It has an "F" on the
>passenger side, and on the drivers side by the water outlet it has
>"393238".  Excellent condition.  I was thinking on selling it, but I'm
>not sure.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't only a handful of these
>manifolds available?  It doesn't have the center carb, or the fuel
>lines, but the end carbs with their linkage, and 2 chrome air cleaners
>are there, it has the choke spring, the tall oil filler tube with fuel
>strainer bracket WITH it (not IN it), and that funky little cross over
>blocker in it.  I originally planned it for a 69 442 I had way back.
>
>Any help here?  If I remembered what I paid for it, (I think it was a
>big chunk of change) I would already have an idea, but I'm getting
>senile I guess.  I was thinking of around $900-1K range, but I may be
>dreaming....wake me up if I am.  I've had it for probably over 10 years.
>
>Also I have a dual quad big Olds Offy 360 aluminum 4x2 hi-rise for AFB
>carbs.  Old sucker.  But in really good shape.  One bolt hole for one of
>the carb mounts is heli-coiled though... thought around $140??????
>
>Are these fair prices or no?  Experts hep me out here.
>
>Mike Rothe
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:41:54 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: 3x2 intake?

P.S.  I'll give you $10 for it! *L*


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:45:54 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 3x2 intake?

Hey Mike

I sold my Tri Power just this summer for $1200.00 and it was complete
But did have a crack that had been welded
Hope this helps

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 3x2 intake?
> Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 10:29 PM
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> For the 66 442 crowd, or anyone else that KNOWS these cars, how much is
> a 3x2 intake off a 400 go for nowadays.  C'mon, be serious here.  I know
> Chris Witt will offer me $5 for it.....
> 
> Seriously, I was going through my inventory of stuff (wife calls it
> JUNK"), and I forgot I even had this thing.  It has an "F" on the
> passenger side, and on the drivers side by the water outlet it has
> "393238".  Excellent condition.  I was thinking on selling it, but I'm
> not sure.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't only a handful of these
> manifolds available?  It doesn't have the center carb, or the fuel
> lines, but the end carbs with their linkage, and 2 chrome air cleaners
> are there, it has the choke spring, the tall oil filler tube with fuel
> strainer bracket WITH it (not IN it), and that funky little cross over
> blocker in it.  I originally planned it for a 69 442 I had way back.
> 
> Any help here?  If I remembered what I paid for it, (I think it was a
> big chunk of change) I would already have an idea, but I'm getting
> senile I guess.  I was thinking of around $900-1K range, but I may be
> dreaming....wake me up if I am.  I've had it for probably over 10 years.
> 
> Also I have a dual quad big Olds Offy 360 aluminum 4x2 hi-rise for AFB
> carbs.  Old sucker.  But in really good shape.  One bolt hole for one of
> the carb mounts is heli-coiled though... thought around $140??????
> 
> Are these fair prices or no?  Experts hep me out here.
> 
> Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:49:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: New addition to the yard

Went & picked up Bryce's 65 Starfire today. Long trip, hot day, much work...
looks like it was worth it. Especially considering that, were it not for the
facts that 1- the motor was gone, trans apart, and 2- owner has internet access
from the boonies where he lives... This car would have been a Demolition Derby
car this year!

Here's what I know so far...

65 Starfire #36657M369403 died @ 81,567 miles. [moment o' silence...]
Paint code "D-D", kinda blue I guess.

"Premium Fuel Only" gas cap, in good cond.
EXCELLENT black interior, door panels look like new exc. for some fading carpet.
Excellent rear seat, no flaws evident.
UNUSED cig. lighters in the rear... just like new.
Power bucket seat, great condition, some mildew on the lower side.
Console and tach, very nice.
3 originalish keys, nice "Oldsmobile" keyring.
VG steering wheel, 2 cracks about 1mm each.
Remote trunk unlocker
Power antenna
Power windows!!! Kewl! Crank-operated vent windows, too, AND A/C!
Seat belts [Not required back then!]
Clock
Had AC, most parts there.
TH400 SP trans remains, pump has been removed, Code OD
No broken glass
Great hood, decklid, & attached trims.
Great grille, headlight bezels
One T3 low beam with clear-field triangle
3.23 10-bolt (huh?) posi.
Great front turn signal lenses, backup light lenses.
Reomote [!] LH -&- RH mirrors, some pitting, seem workable yet.
Real nice front fender extensions, wiper arms
OK tailites, pitted potmetal, good lenses.
Wide trim: some pcs OK:
  RH rear, aft wheel well
  RH rear, f/ ww
  RH door
  RH fender
  RH front ww trim
  LH front fender
2 fair to middlin' nice black rubber "Oldsmobile" floor mats
Nice dash, such as it is, all the knobs & switches are there.

  ...and for the bad news:
Aftermarket crappy radio fills that spot. :-(
Rotted F&R bumpers, holes thru
No motor at all
crunch down the LH side, every panel. Most trim FUBAR'd
Wide trim afront of the RH front ww biffed.
Some rain has gotten in. Rust on the floor. Body medium MI-rusty, could pass a
  kitten but not a whole cat.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:55:06 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 3x2 intake?

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> Hey Mike
> 
> I sold my Tri Power just this summer for $1200.00 and it was complete
> But did have a crack that had been welded
> Hope this helps
> 
How hard is it to get a center carb, fuel lines, and air cleaner for
it?  Then it would be complete.  Or would the price be too much to be
worth it?  (AND NO, Mike Evans! $10 will be a bit short. *L*)  Oh heck
with it, $1K or best offer, how's that?

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Hell of a deal, folks

On my adventure today, spotted an old-car junkyard/ dealer Hwy 24 north of
Lapeer, MI.

Bob's Auto Recycling
818-793-7500

Among his "beauties":
AA Ford dump truck, charitably described as "Rough", $1500. Heh.
67 Skylark, rusty, painted over a while back, $900
51 Mercury 2-door.
5_ Studebaker President 4-door.
"Fairlane" Ranchero, not too bad, about 65? by the body style. "Sold $700"
68 Charger, pretty rough, $800.

And, oh boy...

1966 Cutlass Convertible!
- -330-4V, #3 heads, hokey aftermarket air cleaner. Top mechanism appears to be
there. Ah, switch-pitch jetaway should be in there. Some exterior Supreme trim
still serviceable.
   That's the good news.
Uhm... interior fire left nothing very useful in there. Top has been ragged,
letting weather in for ??? long. Console is ravaged. Dash burnt away. Hood has
gaping rust holes along the front edge. 2-3" wide, gaping. Most of the body &
frame are rusted to the point of being structurally unsound. Way past cosmetic.
Presumably a 3.08 open diff, did not check.

Oh, steal this jewel for a mere... $900. Yep, two zeros. Nine HUNDRED dollars.
Anybody else want to call ol' Bob and tell him he's F.O.S.? ;-)
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 23:04:30 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

Paul Hartlieb wrote:


> Where did you get this idea?  Option CA1 was the Metal Panel Electric
> Sliding Sunroof @ $561.00.  CF5 was the Silver Tinted Laminated Glass
> Panel Electric Sliding Astroroof @ $773.00.  I don't see any comments in
> the order book about either one of these not being available with the
> W30.

Paul, I learn something new about these 80 442's everyday ;-) The books
I have don't list this option. A few Olds " experts" I have met at car
shows told me that with the 442 option the sunroof could not be ordered.
I am glad you pointed this out. Thanks! 


********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:22:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: New Addition to the yard

Chris Witt's header lines are too long for majordomo to swallow. First of 
2 messages I'm forwarding...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: New addition to the yard
Date:	Sat, 9 Aug 1997 22:49:38 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

Went & picked up Bryce's 65 Starfire today. Long trip, hot day, much work...
looks like it was worth it. Especially considering that, were it not for the
facts that 1- the motor was gone, trans apart, and 2- owner has internet access
from the boonies where he lives... This car would have been a Demolition Derby
car this year!

Here's what I know so far...

65 Starfire #36657M369403 died @ 81,567 miles. [moment o' silence...]
Paint code "D-D", kinda blue I guess.

"Premium Fuel Only" gas cap, in good cond.
EXCELLENT black interior, door panels look like new exc. for some fading carpet.
Excellent rear seat, no flaws evident.
UNUSED cig. lighters in the rear... just like new.
Power bucket seat, great condition, some mildew on the lower side.
Console and tach, very nice.
3 originalish keys, nice "Oldsmobile" keyring.
VG steering wheel, 2 cracks about 1mm each.
Remote trunk unlocker
Power antenna
Power windows!!! Kewl! Crank-operated vent windows, too, AND A/C!
Seat belts [Not required back then!]
Clock
Had AC, most parts there.
TH400 SP trans remains, pump has been removed, Code OD
No broken glass
Great hood, decklid, & attached trims.
Great grille, headlight bezels
One T3 low beam with clear-field triangle
3.23 10-bolt (huh?) posi.
Great front turn signal lenses, backup light lenses.
Reomote [!] LH -&- RH mirrors, some pitting, seem workable yet.
Real nice front fender extensions, wiper arms
OK tailites, pitted potmetal, good lenses.
Wide trim: some pcs OK:
  RH rear, aft wheel well
  RH rear, f/ ww
  RH door
  RH fender
  RH front ww trim
  LH front fender
2 fair to middlin' nice black rubber "Oldsmobile" floor mats
Nice dash, such as it is, all the knobs & switches are there.

  ...and for the bad news:
Aftermarket crappy radio fills that spot. :-(
Rotted F&R bumpers, holes thru
No motor at all
crunch down the LH side, every panel. Most trim FUBAR'd
Wide trim afront of the RH front ww biffed.
Some rain has gotten in. Rust on the floor. Body medium MI-rusty, could pass a
  kitten but not a whole cat.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:23:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Hell of a deal, folks

Number 2 of 2... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: Hell of a deal, folks
Date:	Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:00:41 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

On my adventure today, spotted an old-car junkyard/ dealer Hwy 24 north of
Lapeer, MI.

Bob's Auto Recycling
818-793-7500

Among his "beauties":
AA Ford dump truck, charitably described as "Rough", $1500. Heh.
67 Skylark, rusty, painted over a while back, $900
51 Mercury 2-door.
5_ Studebaker President 4-door.
"Fairlane" Ranchero, not too bad, about 65? by the body style. "Sold $700"
68 Charger, pretty rough, $800.

And, oh boy...

1966 Cutlass Convertible!
- -330-4V, #3 heads, hokey aftermarket air cleaner. Top mechanism appears to be
there. Ah, switch-pitch jetaway should be in there. Some exterior Supreme trim
still serviceable.
   That's the good news.
Uhm... interior fire left nothing very useful in there. Top has been ragged,
letting weather in for ??? long. Console is ravaged. Dash burnt away. Hood has
gaping rust holes along the front edge. 2-3" wide, gaping. Most of the body &
frame are rusted to the point of being structurally unsound. Way past cosmetic.
Presumably a 3.08 open diff, did not check.

Oh, steal this jewel for a mere... $900. Yep, two zeros. Nine HUNDRED dollars.
Anybody else want to call ol' Bob and tell him he's F.O.S.? ;-)
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 20:20:59 -0700
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: Lansing accomodations

I just readjusted some scheduling and can now go to Lansing. I know how late it 
is, but does anybody have an extra room for Tues/Wed. thru Sat. that they aren't 
going to use? Long shot, but it doesn't hurt to ask. If someone does have a 
room, please Email me privately at mefco@sprynet.com. Thank you.

Art Fuller

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:26:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Apologies for Chebucto

For the last 3 nights Chebucto Net has basically shut down from around 
9PM onwards. Amazingly, come the stroke of midnight all is well again. 
Sounds like some sysadmin has dropped the ball somewhere! Anyway, I know 
that during these periods I can't post and no new mail comes in either. I 
don't know if anyone else's messages other than mine are disappearing but 
if so, apologies. Hope they get it fixed soon.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:29:42 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Suggestion: An International Helping Hand

I know that one of the reasons I'm looking forward to Lansing is the 
chance to see and possibly buy some parts or memorabilia that I otherwise 
wouldn't ever have a chance of finding here in Nova Scotia. I know it's 
hard for any of us to find stuff for the older cars, but for people 
outside of North America it must be 10 times as tough.

I wonder if there might not be some way for this list -- or at least the
members of it who are going to Lansing -- to help some of the folks on
here who are from Europe, South America or Australia. I'm thinking of
someone like Jim in the Netherlands who has been looking for those '64
Vista Cruiser scripts for so long. I bet there will be a set to be had in
Lansing. Why not pick them up for him? I'd be glad to do it if he would
like me to find them for him and give me a price range that he's willing 
to pay. 

What I'm thinking is something like this: the folks in all of the
far-flung places could post a message stating the parts they really,
really need along with their acceptable prices, plus the quality, color or
condition needed. I'm talking about the ones that seem like they are 
totally unobtainable where they live and maybe have given up hope of ever 
finding. Those of us who are going to Lansing could pick one or
more of the requests and act as their agent in trying to track down the
pieces. All it would take is goodwill and trust on both sides, and a
little effort. It might even be fun. I know I always enjoy swap meets the
most when I'm looking for something specific, and eventually find it.
Since this promises to be the Olds parts meet to end all parts meets, the
hunting should be good. I wouldn't think anyone offering to do this would
want more than their out-of-pocket costs for the items themselves plus
shipping. 

What do you all think? I wouldn't want anyone to think it would be easy 
since dealing with international shipping and exchange is always a 
challenge but I think it would be a nice thing to try. Nor do I wish to 
interfere with those folks who make their living in the parts business, 
but I'd like to offer some of our international members a hand. Comments?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:26:37 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Sparkmobile - More Diagnostics

Gang,

Sorry to beat a dead horse here, but I'm still spitting in the wind. 

I have some better symptoms to pass along here.

1. It won't do it when it's cold or on a high idle.
2. When it starts to studder (at about 25-30 mph), if I keep the acclerator at THAT spot, 
it will do it indefinately until I either back off or step down farther. Then it goes 
away real quick.
3. The hotter it gets, the worse it gets.
4. Seems to be worse on turns.

I have again, checked the timing and the dwell. Niether has moved since the last time I 
did it a few days ago. 8.5/30 All electrics are checking out fine.

I'm back to the fuel theory. 

1. I JUST put in a new (Carter) fuel pump a week ago. Could it be bad?
2. When I changed out the fuel pump, I took off the expander. Should I have left it on?
3. This car has been sitting for almost 20 years with very little driving. I have put on 
about 200 miles in the last month or so.....  Could it be some crap in the carb? Perhaps 
the metering rods are hanging up.

I guess it boils down to:

I either have to rebuild the carb and/or replace the fuel pump and put the expander back 
on. 

Any other ideas? 

A big thanks to all who have given me suggestions so far. Much appreciated.

Just a reminder to the Olds List, I am not s*sbcr*bed, so please respond to me at my 
e-mail address.

Sparky

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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Date: Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Sparky's ailment

Well, to rule in or out the distributor... just pop in a different one. HEI or
otherwise, that'll tell if that's the problem. If so, works fine w/ another,
then just rebuild the previous one & reinstall. NAL sells rebuild kits:
bushings, etc. about $20 for a dozen dist'rs worth of parts.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 00:53:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Sparky's ailment

Chris, majordomo still chokes on you "To:" line, too many addresses. Make 
'em c.c.'s and it should be fine.....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: Sparky's ailment
Date:	Sat, 9 Aug 1997 23:29:57 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

Well, to rule in or out the distributor... just pop in a different one. HEI or
otherwise, that'll tell if that's the problem. If so, works fine w/ another,
then just rebuild the previous one & reinstall. NAL sells rebuild kits:
bushings, etc. about $20 for a dozen dist'rs worth of parts.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 09 Aug 1997 22:48:16 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Belts....

i just spent a great afternoon with my '86 442 doing some much needed
maintenance...replace a radiator that was really going as well as all 4
belts.  The radiator went fairly smoothly...I was even able to get both
trans cooler lines to break without a problem....the belts were another
story..stoped to pick up a set at the the local auto parts
chain..(Murray's if you're interested....) they only had three of four,
had to hunt for the air pump belt...of course when it came to
installation time, the power steering and alternator belt were nowhere
near fiting...so go to the closer by NAPA to get alternates...the
alternator that their book specified fis, but the PS is still not close
at all..after two more trips adding one inch each time to the length of
the belt, I get one that fits....I was just wondering if anyone had run
up against this and if it is just a problem with the belt manufacturers
not really knowing what is correct for this car or what.  Of course it
could just be the counter people who don't know the difference between a
442 and a Cutlass (do you have the 231 in that??) Ciera.   I figured the
Napa guys would be pretty knowledgable, but they didn't really seem to
believe me when I said their original belt didn't fit....


- -- 
- ---Matt

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