
oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 30 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 737

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 04:25:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

Hi,

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From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Date: 29 Jun 1997 02:40:38 PST
Subject: Re: HEI Question.

I'm sorry, I'm having trouble replying to messages that I am recieving
currently, I need to talk to the Sysop about how I can get my reply msg
lengthened.

Robery Barry and the other gentleman who replied: Yes, I have ran a
compression check on it, all were within 10 psi of each other
(#6 was 155 while the others were about 160-165 range)

It was running a little hot (210-220) sometimes, but that was fixed with
my new gaskets.  Got a 195 stat in it, runs at 195 now.

It started pinging today when I was going up a grade about 2 miles long,
I pulled to the side of the road, and pulled the vaccum hose off of the
dist. cap.  I heard a 'thunk' sound like the vaccum advance returning to
zero.  Didn't have problems after that.  I believe the weights are
stuck.

But now I have another problem.  No heat from the heater.  Heater core
bad?

Mike Jones
'78 Olds 88

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 06:40:07 -0500
Subject: Re: dates and events of Lansing

larry polesnak wrote:
> 
> Can I please have the dates and events that are happening in Lansing
> Thank You LARRY .....  6  2  S  T  A  R  F  I  R  E

8/20/97

9am-7pm R.E. Olds Transportation Museum open house
12pm-8pm Future of Oldsmobile Exhibit at Lansing Center
4pm Cross country caravans meet at state capital (over 500 cars)

8/21/97 Oldsmobile's 100th Birthday

9am-5pm R.E. Olds Transportation Museum open house
10am-7pm Oldsmobile car displays, downtown
         Future of Oldsmobile Exhibit at Lansing Center
         Swap meet and car corral
12pm-3pm Birthday party at Oldsmobile Park
         GM plant tours*
7:30pm Memorabilia auction at Lansing Center

8/22/97

9am-7pm R.E. Olds Transportation Museum open house
9:30am Olds motorcade 38 mile motorcade meet at Olds headquarters at 8am
to participate
10am-7pm Oldsmobile car displays, downtown
         Future of Oldsmobile Exhibit at Lansing Center
         Swap meet and car corral
         GM plant tours*

8/23/97

11am Oldsmobile historic parade
2pm Olds 100th birthday celebration
8am-6pm Oldsmobile car display, downtown
        Future of Oldsmobile at Lansing Center
        R.E. Olds Transportation Museum open house
        Swap meet and car corral
7pm Grand finale at the Oldsmobile main stage (Michigan Festival)

Michigan Festival Concerts
8/20 Little Richard
8/21 Steve Miller Band
8/22 Sheryl Crow
8/23 Randy Travis, Tammy Wynette, Deana Carter, Daryle Singletary

*Plant tours sign up at Lansing Center. Limited space

Daren

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:10:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Insurance Comapnies

At 11:25 AM 6/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
>
>> 
>>         Depending on how often you drive your car and for what reasons will
>> make a huge difference in insurance price. I used to have a regular full
>> coverage policy on my SX. It was very expensive for how much I drove the
>> car. I have went to a company by the name J. C. Taylor. My insurance costs
>> me $126.00 per year. That is Full covereage with no deductible and a
>> apprasied value of $14000.00. There are limitations on this insurance. No
>> more than 2500 miles a year, can NOT drive it to and from work, IS in a
>> locked garage and such. For my purposes this works great for the two of my
>> cars I have insured this way. What out for "stated value" coverage. It DOES
>> NOT mean you get $5000 or whatever iat the time of loss. That just means
>> that the most they will pay is $5000. If the car appreciates you will loose
>> out. They may not even offer to pay the $5000 if YOU can't prove the car was
>> worth that much. Shop smartly and ask lots of questions. Good luck!
>> 
>> Jim Chermack
>
>Jim those rates sound great...I would be able to meet those limitations,
>however my car is modified from stock and I occasionally run it at the
>dragway...
>
>Anybody out there have a modified street/strip car with this
>insurance????
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Steve
>71 Cutlass S 455
>93 Mustang LX 5.0
>

Steve

        They won't let you get insurance if the car is modified or taking to
any timed events. Sorry!

Jim Chermack

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:10:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Parting 69 Cutlass Supreme 4 door

How about some gold seat belts for a 69 442 conv?  AM/FM radio? Thanks
>
Mr Fowler

        This car has the deluxe gold seta belts with the side retractors and
the short small buckles. It has a complete set for all 6 seating positions.
How's $50.00 plus $7.50 shipping sound for the complete belt set? AM/FM has
been transfered to my other 442. It was only a mono unit.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757)474-0869

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 08:21:21 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: I'm Back

Sorry to be gone so long, but I do hope you all enjoyed the breather.

Three Oldsmobile comments, and some questions.

No. 1. My '84 Delta 88 was run into by an itenerant motorist, was knocked
off a rural Missouri bridge, and ended up in the creek upside down.  The
poor dear was totally destroyed.  Most of the top was crushed down to the
top of the seats, and door ledges.  Two friends and I took a pretty good
pranging, but nothing like that poor Olds.  Anything of a lesser car and I
wouldn't be writing this now.  Actually without 5 weeks of physical thearpy
and not being in a lesser car.

No. 2. I received a serious lead on a 1929 Viking, waiting for pictures.

No. 3. Yesterday I bought an '84 Toronado.  It's a bit smaller than the
Delta 88 was, but I really like the flat floor, and the drivers seat kind of
sucks you into position, the rear view mirror fell off the inside of the
windshield after about 45 minutes of driving, the rs remove mirror sort of
works but the cruise, a/c, and the dash intermittantly do not.  The gas
actuated hood props are a joke, I cannot believe that they were less
expensive than the torstion (sp) bars they replaced. The only damage I could
find was a medium dent in the deck lid.  Also my nephew broke the passengers
side door handle.  It snapped in two.  Investigation revelaed an incipient
crack, so it was damage waiting to make itself known.  It has decent
carpets, and upholstery, but the headliner is coming loose in places.  Some
of it works well, it starts fairly easily, seems to shift OK, the sun roof
opens with some gusto, the radio is very good, although I have not as yet
played the cassett player.  It has decent radial tires, and one of those
dufus spares.  The trunk looks like it never had anything in it save the
spare.  The central dash ashtray has never seen an ash, but the ashtray in
the pass door was well used.  I did not get the owners manual.

Questions all RE the Toro-

Q1: It has a digital dash, anybody know why it resets everytime you hit a
medium bump?  Sort of disconcerting.

Q2: It has an overdrive TH tranny, anybody tell me basically what the tranny
is, I assume a version of the infamous 200R4?

Q3: I'm going junk yarding, and I'll be looking for a 455 for the Toro, any
comments: pro or con?

Q4: Will the outside door handle interchange with something else?

The Wiz
`

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From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 09:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Weatherstripping/carpet

Best/worst places to get carpet and weatherstripping
for a '71 Cutlass S?

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From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 10:52:23 -0500
Subject: TH 400 shift question.

Hi All,

I have a question reqarding when a TH 400 should kick down when
passing.  The one I have in my SX will down shift fine a lower speeds
but when I am going above about 45 it will not down shift when I mash
the throttle.  Is this normal or should I have the transmission looked
at, I am more familar with the 727 Mopar trans.   Thanks,

John Oder
70 Cutlass SX W-32
70 Cuda 383 Conv
73 Dodge Challenger Rallye

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:07:08 -0700
Subject: Re: Parting  75-98-no , 78 yes

Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:
>All,
>In my meager attempt to save or improve as many oldsmobiles as I can, I >just pulled home a '75 98 parts car.

A little too old for me!

But-If anybody parts a 78-98-count me in. Mostly looking to keep my
79-98 original-desire "chrome, trims, bezels, bumpers, grille,
uncrackedbluesteeringwheel?, & pass front fender, etc.
Long Island, NY. & would make long long day trip for parts from well
maintained garaged donor. 

Kevin O'Brien 78-98

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 11:34:06 -0700
Subject: Re: Seat covers & arm rests

Have 78-98 split bench-white button tuft vinyl. Worn out & shredded. Arm
rests crushed & dried out.

Local quotes=$400 for driver side only of split bench which is out of my
range.

Recommendations for best source, quality and fit, requested. Will
recover myself. Any special tools required?

Given the age of the 98 is there any chance that there is a donor 98
with decent pliable white button tuft split bench or is it best to stop
dreaming & bite the bullet & recover seats?

Also, were all 78-98 split benches the same (ie 35/65) or were there
variations? Pass front has fold down arm rest & manual adjustment.
Driver side is electric. Seat backs have zippers & full size
map/magazine pouches. 

This white 98 with white interior & blue top, dash and carpet looks
great (striking to me) & would like it to look better!

Thank you for any info or specifics.

Kevin O'Brien 
78-98 of course!

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:18:02 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: Re: Car update

>mrada@catalina-inter.net wrote:
>I am planning
>on taking the power window and install them on my crank-style windows.
>I believe that Joe Padavano stated that these are bolt on replacements
>providing I get the regulators, wiring harness, and motors.  Are the
>doors/door glass different on the Sports Coupe -vs- the Hard Top Coupe??
>How about the door inserts?  Will I have to cut a hole out of my
>current's or should I reskin the donor car's instead?

I think that the entire assembly -- glass, door panels, etc., is 
different on a post coupe vs. hardtop coupe. The motors and regulators 
*might* be the same, but I'll defer to someone with more expertise.

>If I use her front disc brakes, which are probably 4-piston type, should
>I get a 1-piston type instead and sell her's off?  Is their a market
>for 4-piston type brakes?

If it was me and I had the 4-piston setup, I'd use it even though they're 
not supposed to be as good. I mean, at least you would have them in hand, 
so it would be a lot less hassle. They *do* work.

>She also has a map light under he dash, is this hard to put in mine?
>The wiring, installation, ya know?

The wiring is easy. The installation is another story. You have to cut a 
hole in a hidden area of the dash above the radio. I suppose if you 
measured *very carefully* the spot in the donor car, you could do it. 
Save those measurements too, I might want them in the future!! :)

>I have also been playing with the idea of restoring the other car too when
>I got the chance.  Did HT of this year come with crank windows?  I was
>thinking about swaping the window controlling systems. 

Same comments as above...

>Oh BTW, how easy/hard is it to take off the rear bumper?  I haven't
>figured this one out yet.

Not hard. Disconnect the wiring pigtails for the backup lights, then it 
comes off with 4 nuts from behind. They are a little hard to get to but I 
did mine with only basic tools.

>Another question:  This donor car has a sports outside mirror, which of
>course I will want to use.  The question is should I use what I have
>(standard mirror) and have it mounted on the right side?  Would this be
>acceptable say if I were to show the car?  Will the sport's mirror work in
>the current hole in the door as for the standard mirror? 

Do you mean a remote-control mirror? On a '68 they had only 2 choices as
far as I know: the oval-shaped manual mirror and a oval-shaped chrome
remote mirror. The later-style body-colored sports mirrors didn't come
along until 1970. It may be an aftermarket one if it's a "sports" mirror. 
If so, it probably means holes have been drilled in the door to mount it
since the factory mounting was an odd system of holes to accommodate the 
mounting "mushrooms" on the underside of the mirror. 

Hope this helps...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:14:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?

John M. Loban wrote:
> 
> Douglas Kitchener wrote:
> >
> > > This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
> > >
> > > NAME                     HOTEL           DATES    CAR
> > > ====                     =====           =====    ===
> > > Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn       8/18-23   none
> > > Hirtle, Don           Hampton           8/18-23   none
> > > Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23   none
> > > Smith, Brian          Hampton           8/18-23   none
> > > Stewart, Sandy        Hampton           8/18-23   none
> > > Chermack, Jim         Mariott East      8/18-25   70 SX W-32
> > > Harkema, Doug         Holt, MI            all     none yet
> > > Easton, Jeff          Fairfield Okemos  8/20-22   70 442 black
> > > Hendley, Daren        Ramada            8/20-24   none
> > > McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West      8/19-24   63 Starfire
> > > Westlake, Steve       Holiday West      8/19-24   63 - 98
> > > Glista, Richard       Holiday West      8/19-24   68 - 442
> > > Wilson, Jim           none              8/19-24   64 Stafire
> > > Nicholson, Brad       Best Western      8/19-24   87 442(Just Me)
> > > (w/Donna & Eli)       Midway            8/19-24   94 LSS(wife&kid)
> > > Matt Cremean          Cremean Inn       8/21      73 Cutlass                                                            Supreme
> > > Dan Gulino            Sleep Inn         8/20-24   75 Delta 88 Conv
> > > Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24   67-442
> > > Kitchener, Doug       Holiday West      8/19-24   70 Supreme Conv
> > > John Loban            Clubhouse Inn     8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
      Nikki Glista          Holiday West      8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv

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From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:10:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: 71 442

Hi
In my pursuit of an olds I have come across a perfect 71 442 #'s match has been
painted w/ 90,000 orig MILES.  The question I have is what is a car like this
worth.  It is a tough year to buy an Olds here in Lansing w/ the 1ooth
anniversary almost here.  This car is extremely nice.  I don't want to get
stuck paying too much for this car.  please give me some info on what a car
like this is worth.  Just imagine walking up and seeing a perfect car.  Because
that is what it is.

Thanks in advance

Doug

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:38:37 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: Re: Car update

> >mrada@catalina-inter.net wrote:
> >Another question:  This donor car has a sports outside mirror, which of
> >course I will want to use.  The question is should I use what I have
> >(standard mirror) and have it mounted on the right side?  Would this be
> >acceptable say if I were to show the car?  Will the sport's mirror work in
> >the current hole in the door as for the standard mirror? 

Forgot to mention... the standard driver's side mirror won't work on the 
passenger door. It looks *almost* the same, but the angle of the post 
coming up from the base is the mirror image (sorry for the pun) of the 
proper passenger side outside mirror. 

BTW: If anyone has an NOS or mint-condition manual driver's door mirror 
for a '68 that they want to sell, let me know. The one I have has a nasty 
habit of needing to be readjusted every time you close the door. The ball 
socket seems to have loosened up with age. Or does anyone have a 
suggestion for how to tighten that socket up? I was thinking of trying to 
get something in there, like glue... ;-) 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 14:35:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: 442 w-30

Danny wrote:

>Both should have factory aluminum intakes with Oldsmobile W-455 for the '70
and Olds W-455 for the '71.

I just learned something the other day about some later '70 W-30 intakes.
My W-30 intake (car manufactured 6-70) has the OLDS W-455 cast instead of
what most 70's have which is OLDSMOBILE W-455.  Mine does have the correct
cast part for '70 # 406115 vs. a 71-72 which is 407570.  This is a piece of
information which I have never seen published but have now confirmed did
happen through 2 different sources.  Has anyone else seen this???

Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 Olds 442 W-30
Findlay OH.

 
>A W-30 car will ALWAYS be built in Lansing. W-30s have less body and
>sound insulation. As for engines the '70 will have to have F cast heads
>and the '71 will have H castings. Both should have factory aluminum
>intakes with Oldsmobile W-455 for the '70 and Olds W-455 for the '71. If
>the car is a four speed it should not have power brakes. Both should
>have red inner fenders and two braces just behind them. At least on the
>'70s, it should have a 12 bolt posi. 
>
>Danny
>
>

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 16:38:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: I'm Back

Very glad to see that the Wiz is back. (because of the wonderful things he
does.)

Sorry about the Delta 88. Wish you much luck with the Toronado.

Finally, you are going to lose that crummy spare, right? I am sure most here
realize how generally useless they are. I found out the hard way, trying to
put 60psi into an airless one. I could not get the beads to contact the rim!
(makes me angry just thinking about it)

Best regards, and happy salvaging.

BTW if there are a good number of olds, would you let us know which models?


  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  Given the loss of an Honored Member's Delta 88, I cannot see my way clear
to include witticism here.

 

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 15:51:12 -0500
Subject: New Olds Archive Available

For those of you that have been patiently waiting,
the lastest set of Digests (covering ¦600 thru ¦699)
are now available on my web site.

The site has been totally revamped as well.  Content
hasnt really changed that much but it does look much
nicer.

http://www.calcon.net/~easton

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-speed

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 12:36:05 -0500
Subject: Re: 442 w-30

Kevin Hoopingarner wrote:
> 
> Danny wrote:
> 
> >Both should have factory aluminum intakes with Oldsmobile W-455 for the '70
> and Olds W-455 for the '71.
> 
> I just learned something the other day about some later '70 W-30 intakes.
> My W-30 intake (car manufactured 6-70) has the OLDS W-455 cast instead of
> what most 70's have which is OLDSMOBILE W-455.  Mine does have the correct
> cast part for '70 # 406115 vs. a 71-72 which is 407570.  This is a piece of
> information which I have never seen published but have now confirmed did
> happen through 2 different sources.  Has anyone else seen this???
> 

I have seen this published in the Oldsmobile restoration guide. I just
didn't want to muddy the water too much.

Danny

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 17:50:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 71 442

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> Hi
> In my pursuit of an olds I have come across a perfect 71 442 #'s match has been
> painted w/ 90,000 orig MILES.  The question I have is what is a car like this
> worth.  

How much do you have/want to pay?  It depends.  If it is in really good
shape and mostly all original, somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-7 K is
not unreasonable.  It all depends on if this IS the car of your dreams. 
If you really want a W-30, or Rallye 350 for example, then pass.  Get
what you REALLY WANT!!!  Of course if the guy wanted 1500 for it, then
give me his phone number......

Seriously, if it has no rust, and the interior doesn't look like it
needs more than maybe a new carpet/floor mats, and cleaning to look
fresh, and the paint and metal are good and straight, this could be an
EXCELLENT starting point for a great car.  Of course, look for the
344XXXX VIN AND on the body plate, rear swaybar, boxed lower control
arms, rear upper control arm frame stiffeners, and dual exhaust with
bumper cutouts.  There is no chrome on the sides of the car except for
the wheel-well moldings and a little around the side marker lights (Read
"NO rocker moldings").  It should have rocket emblems on the inside door
panels, and "442" plate on the woodgrain-laden dash.  It could have a
bench or buckets, so don't be alarmed.  Another neat spot to look....All
455 Olds A-bodies had front fender stiffeners bolted to the inside of
the fenders.  Look for a stud with a nut on it sticking out of the upper
part of the fender just in front of the hood hinge area.  Also, if it
doesn't have ram-air, it should have a dual-snorkel air cleaner.

Not doubting its originality, but this close to Nationals....best to
double check.

Good luck,

Mike Rothe

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 19:56:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 

> Sorry to be gone so long, but I do hope you all enjoyed the breather.
> 
> Three Oldsmobile comments, and some questions.
> 
> No. 1. My '84 Delta 88 was run into by an itenerant motorist, was knocked
> off a rural Missouri bridge, and ended up in the creek upside down.  The
> poor dear was totally destroyed.  Most of the top was crushed down to the
> top of the seats, and door ledges.  Two friends and I took a pretty good
> pranging, but nothing like that poor Olds.  Anything of a lesser car and I
> wouldn't be writing this now.  Actually without 5 weeks of physical thearpy
> and not being in a lesser car.
> 
> No. 2. I received a serious lead on a 1929 Viking, waiting for pictures.
> 
> No. 3. Yesterday I bought an '84 Toronado.  It's a bit smaller than the
> Delta 88 was, but I really like the flat floor, and the drivers seat kind of
> sucks you into position, the rear view mirror fell off the inside of the
> windshield after about 45 minutes of driving, the rs remove mirror sort of
> works but the cruise, a/c, and the dash intermittantly do not.  The gas
> actuated hood props are a joke, I cannot believe that they were less
> expensive than the torstion (sp) bars they replaced. The only damage I could
> find was a medium dent in the deck lid.  Also my nephew broke the passengers
> side door handle.  It snapped in two.  Investigation revelaed an incipient
> crack, so it was damage waiting to make itself known.  It has decent
> carpets, and upholstery, but the headliner is coming loose in places.  Some
> of it works well, it starts fairly easily, seems to shift OK, the sun roof
> opens with some gusto, the radio is very good, although I have not as yet
> played the cassett player.  It has decent radial tires, and one of those
> dufus spares.  The trunk looks like it never had anything in it save the
> spare.  The central dash ashtray has never seen an ash, but the ashtray in
> the pass door was well used.  I did not get the owners manual.
> 
> Questions all RE the Toro-
> 
> Q1: It has a digital dash, anybody know why it resets everytime you hit a
> medium bump?  Sort of disconcerting.

Bad ground and loose connections, common to the breed!  Good luck, hard to track 
down.
> 
> Q2: It has an overdrive TH tranny, anybody tell me basically what the tranny
> is, I assume a version of the infamous 200R4?

Believe so.
> 
> Q3: I'm going junk yarding, and I'll be looking for a 455 for the Toro, any
> comments: pro or con?

350 will certainly fit better... 455 will probly grenade the trans, wouldn't 
advise it.  Use 3-speed transaxle from 79 vintage and 350.
> 
> Q4: Will the outside door handle interchange with something else?

Eldorado, Seville, Riviera?  Eldo, Riv and Toro are all E-bodies.

Doug Kitchener

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you? 

I don't know how to add my name to the "Official" list in proper format so
I'll just say I'll be arriving at the Hampton Inn on 8-20 in my 65 442 with
the headers wonderfully uncapped (they wouldn't dare give a ticket to an Olds
would they?)
                                    Ron Forsee 65 442-Meister

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:31:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 71 442

MROTHE wrote:
> 
> Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> > In my pursuit of an olds I have come across a perfect 71 442 #'s match has been
> > painted w/ 90,000 orig MILES.  The question I have is what is a car like this
> > worth.
> 
> How much do you have/want to pay?  It depends.  If it is in really good
> shape and mostly all original, somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-7 K is
> not unreasonable.  It all depends on if this IS the car of your dreams.
> If you really want a W-30, or Rallye 350 for example, then pass.  Get
> what you REALLY WANT!!!  Of course if the guy wanted 1500 for it, then
> give me his phone number......

<snip of fine information>

Also when it comes to figuring the price, you need to take into account
"extras".  Does the car have a rear wing, OAI hood (with correct and
complete aircleaner), rallye pak, dual gate, sport wheel, the super
stock wheels ~you~ prefer, is it a bench or buckets, is it the color you
want....  All these things will cost you to add later, and if you had to
add all of them that would be a lot of cash.  
I paid a little bit more than I wanted to for mine, but did so knowing
that if I had gotten one without all the options I wanted I would have
spent quite a bit more aquiring them one by one.
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:54:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?    

At 09:00 AM 6/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
 
NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
====                       =====             =====     ===
Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
 (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
Kitchener, Doug      Holiday West     8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv 
Bicker, Steve          Quality Suites    8/19-24      67 442 Saffron Yellow
Hartlieb, Paul          Marriott East     8-19-23      67 Ninety Eight
O'Connor, Peg        Holiday West     8/19-24	none
Everett Horton         Sheraton           8/19-23      61 Starfire Conv
Gordon Horton         Sheraton           8/19-23     71 Supreme Conv
John Loban             Clubhouse Inn    8/20-24     63 Starfire conv
Nikki Glista             Holiday West     8/19-24     68 Cutlass conv
Ron Forsee             Hampton Inn      8-20          65 442-Meister


        I'll try to keep this updated daily. It's starting to get bigger.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:05:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: 71 442

Hi Guess what I stumbled across tonight.  a 1970 cutlass supreme Conv't In
pretty nice shape. It needs a new top and interior work but the body and
underside are clean enough to eat off of.  I purchased it for a song.  a very
cheap song.  I'm in seventh heaven right now.  Will pick it up Tomorrow can't
wait.  I guess the 442 I asked about down here will have to wait, by the way I
did check all the numbers and the bucket seat "white interior was spotless.
The guy down the road from me owns it. so if anyone is interested.  I know it
will be at the Lansing show.  He also has a 68 and a 70's 88 conv't very nice.
Well I gotta think about how and what I'm going to do to it first.  I'm so
glad I will have an olds Lansing,  I would have hated to come to the lists get
together in my GMC van.  The car is far from perfect and probably never will
be but it's nice enough to drive right now and I'll have a great time w/ it!!!

Doug Harkema
70 cutlass conv't
(I've been wanting to do that for a long time)

>
> Douglas J Harkema wrote: > > > > Hi
> > In my pursuit of an olds I have come across a perfect 71 442 #'s match has b
een
> > painted w/ 90,000 orig MILES.  The question I have is what is a car like thi
s
> > worth.
>
> How much do you have/want to pay?  It depends.  If it is in really good
> shape and mostly all original, somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-7 K is
> not unreasonable.  It all depends on if this IS the car of your dreams.
> If you really want a W-30, or Rallye 350 for example, then pass.  Get
> what you REALLY WANT!!!  Of course if the guy wanted 1500 for it, then
> give me his phone number......
>
> Seriously, if it has no rust, and the interior doesn't look like it
> needs more than maybe a new carpet/floor mats, and cleaning to look
> fresh, and the paint and metal are good and straight, this could be an
> EXCELLENT starting point for a great car.  Of course, look for the
> 344XXXX VIN AND on the body plate, rear swaybar, boxed lower control
> arms, rear upper control arm frame stiffeners, and dual exhaust with
> bumper cutouts.  There is no chrome on the sides of the car except for
> the wheel-well moldings and a little around the side marker lights (Read
> "NO rocker moldings").  It should have rocket emblems on the inside door
> panels, and "442" plate on the woodgrain-laden dash.  It could have a
> bench or buckets, so don't be alarmed.  Another neat spot to look....All
> 455 Olds A-bodies had front fender stiffeners bolted to the inside of
> the fenders.  Look for a stud with a nut on it sticking out of the upper
> part of the fender just in front of the hood hinge area.  Also, if it
> doesn't have ram-air, it should have a dual-snorkel air cleaner.
>
> Not doubting its originality, but this close to Nationals....best to
> double check.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mike Rothe
>

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 21:56:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 71 442

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> 
> Also when it comes to figuring the price, you need to take into account
> "extras".  Does the car have a rear wing, OAI hood (with correct and
> complete aircleaner), rallye pak, dual gate, sport wheel, the super
> stock wheels ~you~ prefer, is it a bench or buckets, is it the color you
> want....  All these things will cost you to add later, and if you had to
> add all of them that would be a lot of cash.

Listen to Kurt!

This is of course EXCELLENT advice.  This goes for any car of your
dreams.  OK, it IS a 71 442, and they only made less than 8 thousand of
them total in 71, so although not RARE, they're not plentiful either. 
But so what?  I do believe the Pacer X is a little rarer, but I'm not
going to pay a grunch of money to go get one.  Or a 66 AMC Marlin, for
that matter.  I think what really counts is this:  Do you really love
the car, does it have what you are willing to live with as far as
options, color, etc., and is it within your budget. (Unfortunately, we
can't "order" these cars the way we want anymore).  I will choose a
fine, loaded, complete W-31 in a skinny minute before I would even
consider looking at a basket case W-30 without all the parts there of
the same year.  It would cost a lot to replace the missing stuff.  But
that's today.  Tomorrow I might think differently.

As my father once told me when I was asking him which options I should
get when I was in the process of ordering my 85 442, "Son, if you are
going to buy, buy the very best, for you will not be satisfied with
anything less."  .....so I ordered all the options, and those, my
friends, are words to live by.  I've never regretted owning that
full-optioned Cutlass 442 to this day. No "I wish I had have ordered
THAT option..."  Heck, if I ever sell it, someone will be glad I ordered
it that way.

More of my 2 cents, since traffic seems slow.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:06:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?

>
> At 09:00 AM 6/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
> This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
>
> NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
> ====                       =====             =====     ===
> Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
> Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all       70 supreme conv't
yet > Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
> McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
> Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
> Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
>  (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
> Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
> Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
> Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
> Kitchener, Doug      Holiday West     8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv
> Bicker, Steve          Quality Suites    8/19-24      67 442 Saffron Yellow
> Hartlieb, Paul          Marriott East     8-19-23      67 Ninety Eight
> O'Connor, Peg        Holiday West     8/19-24    none
> Everett Horton         Sheraton           8/19-23      61 Starfire Conv
> Gordon Horton         Sheraton           8/19-23     71 Supreme Conv
> John Loban             Clubhouse Inn    8/20-24     63 Starfire conv
> Nikki Glista             Holiday West     8/19-24     68 Cutlass conv
> Ron Forsee             Hampton Inn      8-20          65 442-Meister
>
>
>         I'll try to keep this updated daily. It's starting to get bigger.
>
> Jim Chermack
>
>

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:10:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Misc: My Olds Week under my LONG-term project SX

In a message dated 97-06-24 17:19:38 EDT, you write:

> 
>  > Inside, I committed the "Great Mold Massacre of '97" with a can of
Lysol,
>  
>  Something I'll have to do to.
>  
>  

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:19:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Misc: My Olds Week under my LONG-term project SX

Ooops. Sorry.
Dr Bob expounded on genocide;
 
>  > Inside, I committed the "Great Mold Massacre of '97" with a can of
Lysol,
>  
>  Something I'll have to do to.
>  
>Daren

  This reminds me. Until about August of last year Soylent Ocean Mist was
making me sick.

Really.

I would have fits of racking coughs which increased in frequency and severity
with increased driving time. I finally learned through some CD-ROM or other
(Human diagnostics) that one possibility was called something like "Valley
Fever." This could be brought on by the inhalation of microbes or bacteria
from some source of organic nutrients, like soil, or a dirty car that has
been sitting for ten years. 

I do not really recommend it. Nope, was not fun.

Anyway....

  Karl Aune
  1965 Dynamic 88
  Chicago, IL
 Member, OCA
  
  http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
  
  (Still mourning...)
  

------------------------------

From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:13:09 -0500
Subject: Finding new oem parts

I found a web page that will search dealerships for parts. You enter what
you want or the part's number and your area code. It's for newer parts so
don't expect to find any W30 crate engines.
www.partsvoice.com
Daren

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:13:52 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: Getting Closer...

The never-ending quest for the proverbial "good used car" at a reasonable 
price continues. More of the same this weekend, looking at lots of stuff. 
All I seem to be able to find are full-sizers. As usual around here, the 
majority are either rusty or overpriced (or both). But I have been able 
to turn up a few mid-late 80's Custom Cruiser wagons in good shape. Just 
don't know if I want something that large. But then, the only other good 
ones I've seen are 83-84 extra-full-size 98s. They seem to be in better 
shape than the Deltas I've looked at for some reason. I found 2 this 
weekend: an '83 4-door with original paint, absolutely no rust, and 
straight as an arrow, but with too many miles for the price (asking a 
ridiculous $4500 for a 100K mile car). If they were a little more 
realistic on the pricetag I might be tempted. 

I am going tomorrow to drive an '83 98 2-door that I looked at briefly
yesterday. Didn't look bad at all, 60K miles, and the price is a little
more realistic, can probably pick it up for $3K. Will report back on that
one.  Finally the world's dirtiest (but otherwise solid and running fine)
'84 Custom Cruiser wagon I drove a few weeks ago is still for sale, though
it lost a hubcap somewhere over that time.  Price now down to $2500. I'm
tempted to call the old fellow up and offer him about $1500 and see if he
has a fit... ;-)

It's starting to get a little more urgent to find a driver because I want
to stop driving the '68 as much as I have been of late. It has developed a
couple of disconcerting sounds in the front end this weekend, one from the
right side when I move smartly away from a standing start (a short
"graunch" sound; loose body mount perhaps?), plus a sound that corresponds
with the rotation of the left front wheel, but only when you apply the
brakes while going downhill. I thought it might be a wheel bearing or a
ball joint, but jacking up that wheel and wrestling with the tire showed
nothing out of the ordinary. Time for a visit to the front-end shop. 

If only I could find a nice solid mid-80s RWD Cutlass in these parts!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Toro brakes help

OK, got the new master cylinder in, it gravity-bled OK while I was making up
the one line that twisted off... finally got the LR wheel cylinder in place,
proceeded to bleed brakes by my usual method: apply vacuum to the open bleeder
until juice runs clear & relatively bubble-free.

Problem: only got a tiny bit of juice from the RR, none from the new LR, none
from the RF, good flow from the LF only. Pumping, stomping, pressing, etc. on
the brake pedal w/ bleeder(s) closed or open and w or w/o vacuum made no
noticeable difference. Pedal feels real firm, no travel [unless that LF bleeder
is open] but no FLOW.

I pretty much ruled it down to the proportioning valve after I cracked the MCyl
lines & observed flow and pedal travel then. So... any way to "fix" one of
them? I figured 1) get one off a parts car at the farm, or 2) soak this sucker
in carb cleaner vat at work for a day or so. Does not appear to be
dismantleable at all. Maybe apply hydraulic pressure to the ports?

Anyone ever have a PValve lock up? Does this sound like the problem?
I want my Toro *driveable*! :-(
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:28:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: I'm Back

Welcome back, Wiz!

> Q2: It has an overdrive TH tranny, anybody tell me basically what the tranny
> is, I assume a version of the infamous 200R4?

It should have the THM325-4L, a 4 speed version of the THM325 used from
'79-'81 on E and K cars.

> Q3: I'm going junk yarding, and I'll be looking for a 455 for the Toro, any
> comments: pro or con?

A couple months ago, I looked at an '83 or so Toronado with a 307.  It had
the stock 2 plane intake manifold on it, yet there was an inch or so
clearance between the air cleaner and hood.  I suspect a 455 with a low
rise single plane intake will fit quite nicely there!  The overdrive 
transmission will probably need a high performance makeover to handle the
torque.

> Q4: Will the outside door handle interchange with something else?

Is your handle the type where you reach under and lift upwards?  I just
looked at a picture of a '79 Toronado with this style of handle.
The Riviera and Eldorado have push-button type handles, and
I don't believe they are interchangeable between even these cars since
Cadillac has always had unique door handles, rear view mirrors, etc.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:24:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Toro wheel cyl note

Oh, one thing you may care to tuck away in your memories: One "discount" auto
parts store could not even look up the 68 Toro rear wheel cylinder... called
Giant Auto, they had only a bit of difficulty finding one for $25 or so... and
it's the same part used on a '92 Caddilac DeVille! 'Nother guy was buyying one
for that car, salesman noted 'twas same part:

WC 56406, a.k.a.
BX33497
RY WC37116
ES EW71209, and
WA F56406

I presume "RY" is a code for Raybestos parts or such...

- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:43:50 -0500
Subject: Re: TH 400 shift question.

- ----------
> From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
> To: Oldsmobile Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: TH 400 shift question.
> Date: Sunday, June 29, 1997 10:52 AM
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a question reqarding when a TH 400 should kick down when
> passing.  The one I have in my SX will down shift fine a lower speeds
> but when I am going above about 45 it will not down shift when I mash
> the throttle.  Is this normal or should I have the transmission looked
> at, I am more familar with the 727 Mopar trans.   Thanks,
> 
> John Oder
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32
> 70 Cuda 383 Conv
> 73 Dodge Challenger Rallye
> 

I would assume it to be normal. Do you know what rpm's it's turning at 45?
My truck will not down shift from o.d. if it's going faster than 48-50 mph.
With 2.73 rear and .70 o.d. and a lame 160 hp 4.3 V6 in a 4500 lb. truck I
can hardly notice any pick up in speed that's why it gets dropped down to
second gear (2800-3000rpm). A shift kit might help you out. It will at
least make it shift better and last longer (less friction while shifting).
I've used both B&M and Transgo in TH350's and like the the Transgo kit a
lot better. It's easier to install (no drilling) and gives more
adjustablity.

Daren

------------------------------

From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:04:51 -0500
Subject: Re: I'm Back

> No. 1. My '84 Delta 88 was run into by an itenerant motorist

WOW! Did you see a light at the end of any tunnels? That bonehead most have
been moving pretty fast. It's a shame the car is wasted but at least you
are still alive. 

> No. 2. I received a serious lead on a 1929 Viking, waiting for pictures.

Cool

> No. 3. Yesterday I bought an '84 Toronado

> Q1: It has a digital dash, anybody know why it resets everytime you hit a
> medium bump?  Sort of disconcerting.

Bad connection some where?

> The Wiz
> `
> 
> 
Daren

------------------------------

From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:09:32 -0500
Subject: Re: I'm Back

> > Q2: It has an overdrive TH tranny, anybody tell me basically what the
tranny
> > is, I assume a version of the infamous 200R4?
> 
> It should have the THM325-4L, a 4 speed version of the THM325 used from
> '79-'81 on E and K cars.
Is the TH325 like a TH350. Stronger or weaker?

Daren

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:19:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Valve Angle ????

theogns wrote:
> 
> The Viking wrote:
> >
> > Can someone post an explanation of exactly what a 3,4,5,6,7 angle valve
> > job is and the benefits of each.
> 
> The only one I've ever heard of is a three angle. It's basically cutting
> the valve seats with three different stones. The first would be a sharp
> angle like 70 or 80 degrees. The next one would be about 45 degrees,
> this is the one where the valve seats. The last is 15 to 20. All this
> does is improve the flow past the valves.


Actually, wasn't it moreso to maximize contact area while minimizing 
wear?  Seems to me you wanted like an 1/8th inch contact area (using the 
45' stone) and that area was centered on the seat by topping and 
throating with the other valves.  Been a while, but I think that was the 
logic behind it.  Heat transfer, etc. came into play as well, I think...

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 22:23:58 -0700
Subject: Re: 

> > Sorry to be gone so long, but I do hope you all enjoyed the breather.
> >
> > Three Oldsmobile comments, and some questions.
> >
> > No. 1. My '84 Delta 88 was run into by an itenerant motorist, was knocked
> > off a rural Missouri bridge, and ended up in the creek upside down.  The
> > poor dear was totally destroyed.  Most of the top was crushed down to the
> > top of the seats, and door ledges.  Two friends and I took a pretty good
> > pranging, but nothing like that poor Olds.  Anything of a lesser car and I
> > wouldn't be writing this now.  Actually without 5 weeks of physical thearpy
> > and not being in a lesser car.

OUCH!!!!  Wow! Sorry to hear that!  Good to see you made it out safely.  Insurance to 
anything for it/you?  (I hope!)  Well good to have ya back, good luck!

Charley Buehner
buehner@lyrea.com

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From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:32:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 w-30

Kevin Hoopingarner wrote...

>I just learned something the other day about some later '70 W-30 intakes.
>My W-30 intake (car manufactured 6-70) has the OLDS W-455 cast instead of
>what most 70's have which is OLDSMOBILE W-455.  Mine does have the correct
>cast part for '70 # 406115 vs. a 71-72 which is 407570.  This is a piece
of
>information which I have never seen published but have now confirmed did
>happen through 2 different sources.  Has anyone else seen this???

Yep... Just pop the hood on my '70. Intake casting # is 406115 with OLDS
W-455. I think alot of people have been misinformed on what a '70 W-30
intake should say by reading books like the Motorbooks International 4-4-2
/ W-Machines restoration guide by T. Patrick Sullivan or even in the back
of the Year One catalog (1966-72 W-30 4-4-2 history). Even Super Cars
Unlimited's book (4-4-2 by the numbers) made reference that a '70 intake
only says OLDSMOBILE W-455, but they also make known the correct casting
number is 406115. Hehe... Just checked the Olds FAQ to see what was placed
there on this subject... No mistake there.

Regards,
Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
OCA # 028157

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:59:07 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Question.

At 02:40 AM 6/29/97 PST, you wrote:
>But now I have another problem.  No heat from the heater.  Heater core
>bad?

If it started suddenly, about the time you pulled the vacuum line from the
vacuum advance unit on the distributor, then it's likely that you pulled the
vacuum control line to the heater switch. Usually this runs to the vacuum
resevoir on the firewall/Air Conditioning box, then through the firewall to
the control unit. Without any vacuum, none of the HVAC system will work
properly. I found this out the hard way one cold winter (hooked it up, and
never suffered frostbite again!).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 00:59:10 -0400
Subject: Re: I'm Back

At 08:21 AM 6/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sorry to be gone so long, but I do hope you all enjoyed the breather.

Glad you made it back!

>Three Oldsmobile comments, and some questions.
>
>No. 1. My '84 Delta 88 was run into by an itenerant motorist, was knocked
[snip]
>
>No. 2. I received a serious lead on a 1929 Viking, waiting for pictures.
>
>No. 3. Yesterday I bought an '84 Toronado.  It's a bit smaller than the
[snip]
>Q3: I'm going junk yarding, and I'll be looking for a 455 for the Toro, any
>comments: pro or con?

You'd have better luck trying to fit an early Toro engine in there, due to
the low intake profile, as well as the wacky exhaust manifolds needed to
clear everything. Don't go too crazy with it, though, as that transmission
was designed for a 307...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: STVF11D@prodigy.com (MISS HEATHER K HUMPHRIES)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 01:59:11, -0500
Subject: unsubscribe olds

unsubscribe olds

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 03:13:50 -0400
Subject: I have a web page now....

Hi all, 

For anyone who gives a hoot, I got my own web page.  Rained on Sunday,
was bored, so I tried to learn HTML....

http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

I'll be adding to it and changing it from time to time.  Got a grunch of
old Oldsmobile ads to scan.....gotta get me a scanner first...

Mike Rothe

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From: DavidB442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 04:17:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Hurst?

And you left out the fact that Echlin is a big part supplier of Napa and also
ownns Accel too!

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 1997 07:42:30 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Toro Brakes

Chris, can't use that "h*lp" word...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Subject: Toro brakes h*lp
Date:	Sun, 29 Jun 1997 23:20:45 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

OK, got the new master cylinder in, it gravity-bled OK while I was making up
the one line that twisted off... finally got the LR wheel cylinder in place,
proceeded to bleed brakes by my usual method: apply vacuum to the open bleeder
until juice runs clear & relatively bubble-free.

Problem: only got a tiny bit of juice from the RR, none from the new LR, none
from the RF, good flow from the LF only. Pumping, stomping, pressing, etc. on
the brake pedal w/ bleeder(s) closed or open and w or w/o vacuum made no
noticeable difference. Pedal feels real firm, no travel [unless that LF bleeder
is open] but no FLOW.

I pretty much ruled it down to the proportioning valve after I cracked the MCyl
lines & observed flow and pedal travel then. So... any way to "fix" one of
them? I figured 1) get one off a parts car at the farm, or 2) soak this sucker
in carb cleaner vat at work for a day or so. Does not appear to be
dismantleable at all. Maybe apply hydraulic pressure to the ports?

Anyone ever have a PValve lock up? Does this sound like the problem?
I want my Toro *driveable*! :-(
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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