
oldsmobile-digest          Saturday, 28 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 735

Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
72 S Cutlass hdtp
Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Help ! I need a new carb.
RE: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)
Non-Olds (Re: What is wrong with today's youth?)
UNBOUNCE: Need a New Carb
RE: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Re: Mechanic Problems
electronic ignitions
The OFFICIAL Olds List Get-together
Re: electronic ignitions
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Re: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)
Re: Non-Olds (Re: What is wrong with today's youth?)
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Re: The OFFICIAL Olds List Get-together
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Re: electronic ignitions
Re: The OFFICIAL Olds List Get-together
Re: New guy on the small block
The get-togethor in general
Hurst?
FW: tire pressure
Re: electronic ignitions
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Test, don't read
Another test, sorry folks
Re: Test, don't read
Car Jokes
RE: Hurst?
Re: Valve Angle ????
License Plate
Re: ADMIN: List Rules
Re: Hurst?
Re: electronic ignitions
Re: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)
Points don't leave you stranded
Re: can u answer these questions?
Re: 72 S Cutlass hdtp
Re: electronic ignitions
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: Looking for 1969 Cutlass Part
Re: Insurance Comapnies
Re: Lansing: Where Are You?
Re: Looking for 1969 Cutlass Part
Re: ADMIN: List Rules
Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)
Re: 72 S Cutlass hdtp
Re: What is wrong with today's youth?
Re: ADMIN: List Rules
Re: Lansing - Where are you?    
Re: electronic ignitions
Re: New guy on the small block
Re: Nothing is wrong with today's youth!

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:09:17 -0300
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

Justin Koval wrote:
> 
> I'm 16..there is nothing wrong with us!
> 
> I will tell you the main thing that is keeping me from driving a high
> performance vehicle.....InSURANCE costs!  I wanted a "Rustang" and have
> looked at a few, but insurance is way to high.  As for come here ios, I
> really do not lioke them.  We have the 72 Cutlass with the bad frame, and I
> only wish the frame lasted one more year so I could drive it.
> And I know this is not exactly "high performance" but I am working on a 51
> Pl**outh and am buying a 1940 Pl**outh.
> Some the only thing wrong with todays youth is the fact that insurance rates
> are up, kids are working less now, ect...  I have a job, but I still can not
> afford that much money a month.
> 
> Justin


AMEN! I was waiting for that one. I am 22 and make 55K a year, but it
still is not enough to own a house and own a new performance vehicle. I
enjoy my Cutlass very very much, but I also enjoy a new car to. State
Farm reviewed my policy and after having one wreck, my rates almost
doubled. It would cost me $580 a month to have both the Cutlass
(liability only) and a new Pontiac T/A (with a $500 deductable)I *could*
do it, but its just not worth it. Paying that much money to an insurance
company is just a waste, not to mention that although the modern
F-bodies are cool, they are not nearly the same quality as our '70's
machine. I opted to go with an Impala SS instead, but it still costs
more in insurance than it should. When I told my Dad how much I was a
paying a month for insurance he almost had a heart attack!

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:21:58 -0300
Subject: 72 S Cutlass hdtp

Bought a 72 S hdtp and would like someone to decode numbers please.

VIN 3G87H2M182075
ST7233667LAN383372
947   65A
2C A52 B60 or B80 (can't tell which from cowl tag)

Hopefully that describes a burnt orange exterior w/white vinyl top,
white bench seat interior, 350 2-bbl, a/t 72 S with tinted glass.  Car
has 87k miles and I was given the paperwork for repairs from the
original owner, a 77 year old gentleman.  He drove the car to my house
so I know it runs pretty well and doesn't smoke or anything.  (Good
thing as I don't either.)  I originally was going to part it out for
body pieces on my 70 Supreme conv and 72 Hurst and mechanical parts for
the same and the 69 S conv, but am having second thoughts due to its
originality.  I can't keep another one to restore because of space
limitations and my financial guru (i.e. another car at my house and she
will kill me) so it is either sell it or part it.  Anyone interested
call e-mail me at dstaxpro@lex.infi.net

In any case, I am interested to verify the numbers.  Thank you for any
assistance.

Don Sowers

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:14:48 -0400
Subject: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

> As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
> remember)
> 
> Stephen Hoover


Why?  When adjusted for inflation, gas is the cheapest it's EVER been,
even at $1.25/gal for regular.



Tim (You Can Lookit Up) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Ed Rogers <rhubarb@mindspring.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:16:40 -0500
Subject: Help ! I need a new carb.

HELP !!

I have decided that I need a new carb or my 69 4-4-2.  It has a "J" head
engine, Holley Street Dominator intake and a dead Holley 650.  The vacuum
advance line came off the carb causing the car to run very badly, it fouled
everything, and when I tried to get it running, I got a huge backfire
through the carb, and now it does not want to do anything.  It acts like it
is not getting any gas.  Several people have told me I messed up the carb,
and I agree.  But thats OK, I wanted to replace it anyway with a Q-jet.  It
never ran smoothly, and always smelled like gas.

Anyway, I need to know WHICH Q-jet I need for this car.  I have been
looking around and am very confused.  What factory # carbs will work on
this engine?  More about the engine :

"J" heads
Electronic ignition
TH400 transmission
Power steering and brakes
No A/C

So .. what do I need? Good sources? Will it bolt on to the Holley intake or
should I find a factory intake .. if so, which one?

Any info is helpful .. it's killing me to have a convertible in the garage,
great weather outside (Atlanta) .. and not be able to drive it !

Thanks,

Ed

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:59:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: RE: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

> Where Are You In Lansing - List
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> NAME                  HOTEL               DATES    CAR
> ====================  ==================  =======  ==============
> Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn         8/18-23  none
> Hirtle, Don           Hampton             8/18-23  none
> Penny, Steve          Hampton             8/18-23  none
> Smith, Brian          Hampton             8/18-23  none
> Stewart, Sandy        Hampton             8/18-23  none
> Chermack, Jim         Mariott East        8/18-25  70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug         Holt, MI            all      none yet
> Nicholson, Brad       Best Western        8/19-24  87 442 (Just Me)
>  (w/ Donna & Eli)        Midway           8/19-24  94 LSS (w/wife & kid)

O'Connor, Peg		Holiday Inn		8/19-8/24  none
			South --
			Conference Ctr?

Not sure what the exact name of the hotel is; the hotel letterhead says
"Lansing Conference Center", but my Olds registration package says
"Holiday Inn South."  Anyone else staying there??

8)
1978 Cutlass Calais (not going)
1986 Cutlass Supreme (not going)

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:26:37 -0400
Subject: Non-Olds (Re: What is wrong with today's youth?)

Mary Sez:

> What is wrong with todays kids?  Mainly yesterdays kids. Yes, we adults
> have given the kids most of what they want (or what we think they want).
> They have not been taught to work for what they get. We, the parents, have
> made it too easy for them.

Ah, but you know, this is the same argument/complaint each generation makes
about the next.  Each generation says in essence, "We had it a lot tougher
than the kids today, they're spoiled rotten, they'll never amount to anything,
yadda-yadda".  More often than not, the kids of which they worry turn into
adults that rise to the tasks at hand.  Sometimes rather spectacularly, too.

And this has been going on for hundreds, if not thousands, of years.
I can practically guarantee that "today's" kids will be sayin' it about their
kids, etc., etc.  Prolly at least for the next few thousand years.

>  I don't think there is anything wrong with most of today's
> youth. The others could be fixed with an olds project (or any old car :) 
> ), a set of tools and some time from their parents.

Especially time w/their parents working on an Olds project, eh? :)



Tim (Right on the Cusp of Baby-Booming/Gen X'ing) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:18:36 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Need a New Carb

Bounced because of the "h*lp" word...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:16:40 -0500
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
From:	Ed Rogers <rhubarb@mindspring.com>
Subject: H*lp ! I need a new carb.

H*LP !!

I have decided that I need a new carb or my 69 4-4-2.  It has a "J" head
engine, Holley Street Dominator intake and a dead Holley 650.  The vacuum
advance line came off the carb causing the car to run very badly, it fouled
everything, and when I tried to get it running, I got a huge backfire
through the carb, and now it does not want to do anything.  It acts like it
is not getting any gas.  Several people have told me I messed up the carb,
and I agree.  But thats OK, I wanted to replace it anyway with a Q-jet.  It
never ran smoothly, and always smelled like gas.

Anyway, I need to know WHICH Q-jet I need for this car.  I have been
looking around and am very confused.  What factory # carbs will work on
this engine?  More about the engine :

"J" heads
Electronic ignition
TH400 transmission
Power steering and brakes
No A/C

So .. what do I need? Good sources? Will it bolt on to the Holley intake or
should I find a factory intake .. if so, which one?

Any info is helpful .. it's killing me to have a convertible in the garage,
great weather outside (Atlanta) .. and not be able to drive it !

Thanks,

Ed

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 16:08:28 +0600
Subject: RE: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

>
>Where Are You In Lansing - List
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>NAME                  HOTEL               DATES    CAR
>====================  ==================  =======  ==============
>Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn         8/18-23  none
>Hirtle, Don           Hampton             8/18-23  none
>Penny, Steve          Hampton             8/18-23  none
>Smith, Brian          Hampton             8/18-23  none
>Stewart, Sandy        Hampton             8/18-23  none
>Chermack, Jim         Mariott East        8/18-25  70 SX W-32
>Harkema, Doug         Holt, MI            all      none yet
>Nicholson, Brad       Best Western        8/19-24  87 442 (Just Me)
> (w/ Donna & Eli)        Midway           8/19-24  94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
 Greg Pruett &           Camping               8/19-24  `72 Vista Cruiser
  Clayton Pierce         (no money :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:27:38 -0600
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

> I'm 33 years old, and I have the same problem :). What I see in some of
> the teenagers out there is a lack of appreciation for what they do have.
> Mon and Dad buy them a nice car, and they take it out and destroy it.
> O'course, that isn't a *new* phenomenon....
> 
> JR

So really, the blame rests on the Parents... ;)

See, the trick is, don't buy your kids a new car.  Make them drive your old
beat up car to school, and buy yourself a new car.  Then, if the kid has
any pride, he'll want to get a job and buy his own car so they don't have
to drive the rusted out '76 F*rd station wagon.  And then, he/she will find
out that with their Burger-flippin' job, they can't afford to buy a $10 -
20 thousand car like mom and dad now have, so, with some coaching from
smart mom and dad, they'll opt for something better and much cheaper:  An
Old Olds ;)

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:35:45 -0500
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> > As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
> > remember)
> >
> > Stephen Hoover
> 
> Why?  When adjusted for inflation, gas is the cheapest it's EVER been,
> even at $1.25/gal for regular.
> 
> Tim (You Can Lookit Up) Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'


Who runs regular in a '70 Cutlass?
Inflation is one thing, a 40 cent tax is another.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:54:04 -0500
Subject: Re: Mechanic Problems

Doug Kitchener wrote:

<snip>
>... several people on this list have probably been asked, "Hey, 
>you got a four-forty two in that thing?")

It's so difficult to keep a straight face and explain it to them, isn't it?
I've been asked that very question three times in the last month...

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com

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From: tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 16:56:40 EDT
Subject: electronic ignitions

I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
my 442, rather than switching to an HEI.  They appear to have all the benefits
of an HEI but are easier to install.  Their reliability does concern me.
Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
as you know don't leave you stranded.....


Todd Morris
71 442

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:33:51 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: The OFFICIAL Olds List Get-together

In the absence of any better suggestions, and given the fact that no
matter *what* we choose, it is likely to conflict with something else,
Doug and I are suggesting that list folks who want to get together while
in Lansing do so on Thursday, August 20th, starting at around 4PM, in the
Holiday Inn West parking lot. It would be nice to have a hospitality suite
(or at least a beer tent!) but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. But
at least this way those folks who are bringing their cars can drive on
over and we can make it into our own little cruise night. 

I expect we'll try to keep it going until the early evening, around 7PM 
or so, at which point people will probably drift over to the OCA auction 
or be making plans to go to the concert (I think Steve Miller is that 
night's feature). Of course, if the Toro guys bring the beer kegs we 
could keep it going for a while longer. ;-)  

Further plans will be posted as they get developed... open to 
suggestions!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 14:27:06 -0700
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

>I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
>my 442, rather than switching to an HEI.  They appear to have all the benefits
>of an HEI but are easier to install.  Their reliability does concern me.
>Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
>as you know don't leave you stranded.....
>
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442
>
Now I am interested.  How can anything be easier to install than an HEI.
All I did was to drop it in and run a wire from a switched 12v source.

I am also interested in hearing about peoples experiences with an Ignitor
since I am considering putting one in my 70 B*nz with a 351 F*rd engine in
it.  I was looking at getting a F*rd electronic ignition setup, but that
seemed way to complicated, compared to the HEI in my Vista Cruiser.

Sorry for all the non-olds content, but the Ignitor could be used in any
points type ignition (including Olds).

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 17:36:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> > As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
> > remember)
> >
> > Stephen Hoover
> 
> Why?  When adjusted for inflation, gas is the cheapest it's EVER been,
> even at $1.25/gal for regular.
> 
> Tim (You Can Lookit Up) Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
Tim,

Recalculate and see if 25.9 cents per gallon in Dayton in 1970 still
computes to today's ripping.  They obviously had agood old fashion gas
war going on for a year or so.  When is the last time anyone had a gas
war going that was worth it?

Don Sowers

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:01:03 -0500
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

Where Are You In Lansing - List
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
NAME                  HOTEL               DATES    CAR
====================  ==================  =======  ==============
Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn         8/18-23  none
Hirtle, Don           Hampton             8/18-23  none
Penny, Steve          Hampton             8/18-23  none
Smith, Brian          Hampton             8/18-23  none
Stewart, Sandy        Hampton             8/18-23  none
Chermack, Jim         Mariott East        8/18-25  70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug         Holt, MI            all      none yet
Nicholson, Brad       Best Western        8/19-24  87 442 (Just Me)
  (w/ Donna & Eli)        Midway          8/19-24  94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
Matt Cremean          Cremean Inn         8/21     73 Cutlass Supreme
                       Blissfield, MI
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:04:18 -0700
Subject: Re: Non-Olds (Re: What is wrong with today's youth?)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> More often than not, the kids of which they worry turn into adults that 
> rise to the tasks at hand.  Sometimes rather spectacularly, too.

On the other hand, sometimes they turn into Bill and Hillary.   :o

> Tim (Right on the Cusp of Baby-Booming/Gen X'ing) Churchill

Come on, Tim!  Pick a side!
 
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:08:40 -0500
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

Shang wrote:
> 
> Who runs regular in a '70 Cutlass?
> Inflation is one thing, a 40 cent tax is another.

Not me! I run nothin' but 93 octane and Lead Subst. in my beauty.

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Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
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+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:13:10 -0500
Subject: Re: The OFFICIAL Olds List Get-together

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> In the absence of any better suggestions, and given the fact that no
> matter *what* we choose, it is likely to conflict with something else,
> Doug and I are suggesting that list folks who want to get together while
> in Lansing do so on Thursday, August 20th, starting at around 4PM, in the
> Holiday Inn West parking lot. It would be nice to have a hospitality suite
> (or at least a beer tent!) but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. But
> at least this way those folks who are bringing their cars can drive on
> over and we can make it into our own little cruise night.

Greg, Thursday is the 21st. Just thought I'd make that correction.
That's when I'm going and I'll surely be there.

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CreamerSoftİ Software
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+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:29:41 +0600
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

>
>> As do I wish that gas was still $.78 a gallon (the lowest I can
>> remember)
>> 
>> Stephen Hoover
>
>
>Why?  When adjusted for inflation, gas is the cheapest it's EVER been,
>even at $1.25/gal for regular.

Wow, I can buy premium for that much.  Here in soutwest VA it's $1.07 for
regular.  Usually about $1.27 for 93 premium.  It's generally cheaper the
farther south you go.

You don't really need to look at inflation to realize that gas is still
cheap.  Just pick up a copy of motor trend and look at some of the road
monster SUV's that are popular today.  Have you noticed EPA ratings on these
ugly things?  The ch*vy tahoe gets 14/17, the grand cherokee gets 14/18.
Now that mileage is still better than most of the classics we drive, but
it's still crappy, especially when you consider how efficient modern engines
are.  If the old iron had the technology under the hood that the new one do
we'd be getting 20mph too.  I think I'll be getting about 20 mpg highway
with the Vista Cruiser if I can get EFI working on it.  With just an
overdrive and a 2bbl I can get 16-18 highway.  So really, mileage is the
same as it was 30 years ago.  It's just that somewhere along the line cars
got unfun, ugly and boring.

BTW, have you seen the new f*rd expiditions?  They even dwarf my Vista
Cruiser.  One was sitting next to me at a stoplight and I was amazed!  Hell,
it was running 275/75R17 tires!  I know because I was sitting at eye level
with the writing on the sidewall.  :)

Sometimes it seems like the more things change the more......you know the rest.

Gas is about as cheap as it ever was.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:19:59 -0700
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

I had a mallory unilite unit that lasted maybe 9 months then quit. Replaced
with an HEI which as provided trouble free service for at least 8 years. I
like the factory solution as a result, but it's possible I miswired the
Mallory unit such that it took 9 months to fry itself. I don't think I did
because electronics usually don't work for awhile then quit, they just don't
work.

my 34 pfennigs
cf



>I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
>my 442, rather than switching to an HEI.  They appear to have all the benefits
>of an HEI but are easier to install.  Their reliability does concern me.
>Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
>as you know don't leave you stranded.....
>
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:23:38 -0300 (ADT)
Subject: Re: The OFFICIAL Olds List Get-together

Ooops... did I say Thursday the 20th???

<D'OH!>

Try Thursday the *21st* of August....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:21:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: New guy on the small block

In a message dated 97-06-27 09:14:15 EDT, you write:

> I looked at a '70 SX for another person, that was repainted the original
>  silver, and I mentioned to the guy that I was going to have to paint my
SX,
>  and was considering that very silver. He was a body/paint guy by trade,
and
>  when I said this, asked if I'd painted many cars (no, I haven't). He said
>  that it's very tough to avoid a "zebra" effect where the metallic in the
>  silver overlaps with the spraygun passes, and is apparently extra-metallic
>  at those points.

I have never heard of this "zebra effect."  Maybe he didn't put enough coats.
 I havn't had this problem with metallics.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:29:02 -0500
Subject: The get-togethor in general

Okay, how many of us are going to be putting cars on display? I think
I'd like to and I think it'd be cool for all of us on the list to have a
designated spot at the rally. Vat chou tink, eh?

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:31:40 -0500
Subject: Hurst?

Okay, it seems that Hurst Shifters is not on the web anywhere, so I was
wondering if anybody had a Phone# I could call or an address to write to
to maybe get a free catalog or something.
- -- 
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From: "STEVEN METH" <HORIZON23@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 22:42:49 UT
Subject: FW: tire pressure

- ----------
From:  METH[FAX:+1 (718) 692-2263]
Sent:  Sunday, June 22, 1997 8:30 PM
To:  'oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca'
Subject:  tire pressure

What is the proper tire pressure for a 1985 olds regency? I have michelin 
tires #xw4's. await your reply. Thanks!

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:52:39 -0800
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

>I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
>my 442, rather than switching to an HEI.  They appear to have all the benefits
>of an HEI but are easier to install.  Their reliability does concern me.
>Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
>as you know don't leave you stranded.....
>
>
>Todd Morris
>71 442

I have to agree with the previous posts about HEI being "easy" to install.
Anything else has to be "harder" due to the increased number of components
and wiring...

I am assuming that these units are similar to the MSD 6 series Elec.
Ignitions. I think that these units are in general a good step forward when
compared with stock HEI. Benefits can include:

- - Uses original distributor (HEI or points)
- - Multiple spark per firing
- - Advanced Rev limiting (i.e. random non-firing of cylinders)
- - Some are compatible with crank driven timing sensors
- - Some allow advance curve tuning with the turn of a knob
- - Overall "tunability" of ignition system

Down sides as mentioned are complexity and part count...

I only have experience with the MSD unit, and find that people only
complain about them frying when they dyno the car (because the battery
charger was hooked up during the dyno run and they produce LARGE voltage
spikes that "upset" the semiconductors; they tend to let the smoke out of
the output transistors ;-)


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 15:55:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

>Shang wrote:
>>
>> Who runs regular in a '70 Cutlass?
>> Inflation is one thing, a 40 cent tax is another.
>
>Not me! I run nothin' but 93 octane and Lead Subst. in my beauty.
>

I run 93 in the Great White Shark ('65 98), but here, behind the Orange
Curtain, 93 runs about $1.50 / gallon!!!! OUCH!


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
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* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:56:17 -0500
Subject: Test, don't read

Damn organization won't show up right.
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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:59:26 -0500
Subject: Another test, sorry folks

Work now please?
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:24:32 -0700
Subject: Re: Test, don't read

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Damn organization won't show up right.

Hey, Matt!  Address it to yourself -- it'll bounce right back.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike

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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "CDHall" <cdhall@carol.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 19:58:39 -0400
Subject: Car Jokes

Found something that might be of interest to a few of the readers. I
thought this  was kinda amusing. Have fun.

http://www.bridgey.com/Jokes/Carjokes.html
                                       
  Daniel Hall
  cdhall@carol.net 

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From: "Laurence Simpson" <LaurenceSimpson@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 97 23:59:16 UT
Subject: RE: Hurst?

Hurst is now part of Mr. Gasket Company in Cleveland, Ohio.  Mr. Gasket is now 
owned by Echlin, Inc. a multinational corporation headquartered in Branford 
Ct.  Gasket is redoing its website at www.mrgasket.com.  You can get an email 
address, and basic phone # there.  If your into Hurst, then visit the 
Hurst/Olds website at www.hurstolds.com.

Laurence Simpson, D.D.S.
HOCA 514
1988 H/O advisor
1969 H/O
1979 H/O
1988 H/O

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From: 	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca on behalf of Matt Cremean
Sent: 	Friday, June 27, 1997 7:31 PM
To: 	Oldsmobile List
Subject: 	Hurst?

Okay, it seems that Hurst Shifters is not on the web anywhere, so I was
wondering if anybody had a Phone# I could call or an address to write t=
o
to maybe get a free catalog or something.
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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:55:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Valve Angle ????

The Viking wrote:
> 
> Can someone post an explanation of exactly what a 3,4,5,6,7 angle valve
> job is and the benefits of each. 

The only one I've ever heard of is a three angle. It's basically cutting
the valve seats with three different stones. The first would be a sharp
angle like 70 or 80 degrees. The next one would be about 45 degrees,
this is the one where the valve seats. The last is 15 to 20. All this
does is improve the flow past the valves.

Danny

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:50:38 -0300
Subject: License Plate

Saw a newer Rustang ragtop on the road today with a personalized license
plate that made me chuckle.

"LMP PONY"

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:42:25 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Rules

Kaye Kimball wrote:
> 
> Kurt,  I wouldn't uns*bscribe because of what Mr. Convertible had to write.
>  I would rather get on with the important stuff, ~the cars~.

I thought you were still here, but some wouldn't hang around...
Glad to see that you ~can~ put yourself above those who don't know how
to carry on a polite conversation. 

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:45:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Hurst?

> Okay, it seems that Hurst Shifters is not on the web anywhere, so I was
> wondering if anybody had a Phone# I could call or an address to write to
> to maybe get a free catalog or something.

Try running a search on Mr. Gasket, as Hurst is part of the Mr. Gasket
Performance Group.  I don't know if it'll show up, but it's worth a try.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:40:16 -0300
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

tmorris@VNET.IBM.COM wrote:
> 
> I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
> my 442, rather than switching to an HEI.  They appear to have all the benefits
> of an HEI but are easier to install.  Their reliability does concern me.
> Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
> as you know don't leave you stranded.....
> 
> Todd Morris
> 71 442

I tried the Ignitor.  Put it in in 20 minutes, worked great!  Then
crapped out...
The problem was the clearence between the Hall Effect module and the
ring with magnets.  You need a small space and ~any~ wobble will
eventually cause a collision between the two.  I had my doubts about the
long term reliability for just this reason, so I kept points in the
glove box.  When it did crap out I was able to put the points back in in
10 minutes.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:13:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You? (Keep adding on)

brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:
 
 Where Are You In Lansing - List

- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
 NAME                  HOTEL               DATES    CAR
 ====================  ==================  =======  ==============
 Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn         8/18-23  none
 Hirtle, Don           Hampton             8/18-23  none
 Penny, Steve          Hampton             8/18-23  none
 Smith, Brian          Hampton             8/18-23  none
 Stewart, Sandy        Hampton             8/18-23  none
 Chermack, Jim         Marriott East       8/18-25  70 SX W-32
 Harkema, Doug         Holt, MI            all      none yet
 Nicholson, Brad       Best Western        8/19-24  87 442 (Just Me) 
(w/ Donna & Eli)                         Midway              8/19-24  94
LSS (w/wife & kid)
 Hartlieb, Paul        Marriott East       8-19-23  67 Ninety Eight
(Dearborn 8/18)

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:19:54 -0300
Subject: Points don't leave you stranded

Points don't leave you stranded, except if you wash your engine!

I was washing my engine on my old '70 cutlass at a local car wash, and
couldn't get it started again, no matter what I tried!  So the next day
a took my '79 cutlass with two rented bumper hitches and towed it home.

My older brother comes over and grounds something out in the distributer
and it fires right up!

Points USUALLY don't leave you stranded.

Jeff.

'70 442 Conv.
'91 Quad 442 W-41

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 22:48:43 -0300
Subject: Re: can u answer these questions?

<snip>

> > 4.)  the SS-I chrome wheels that did NOT have the beauty rings, (the
> > actual wheel rim was chrome)...
> >
> > was this type of wheel available as an option back in 1971?
> 
> Answer: Not 100% sure. The assembly manual lists two part numbers, but
> only one specifically for the 442.  The other was for all B-bodies
> except station wagon.  The 442 version had trim rings.  The beauty trim
> rings were to be placed in the trunk upon delivery to dealer.  But the
> PO5 wheels for the A body and B body have different part numbers.  This
> is probably because the wheel on A bodies were 14" and the B's were
> 15".  But I do believe the 15" was all chrome. I've never seen a factory
> 71 without the trim rings.  The one I had in 71 had them, but I've heard
> there were some available.

Yes it was, in '71 only.  They would look just like the ones from the
sixties that didn't have trim rings, but are be 8" wide instead of 7"
and do fit disc brakes.  I've also thought of trying to find a set of
these, and have thought of either looking to someone like Wheel
Vintiques or trying to find a set of Buick wheels and replacing the
center.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 18:28:54 -0300
Subject: Re: 72 S Cutlass hdtp

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> Bought a 72 S hdtp and would like someone to decode numbers please.
> 
> VIN 3G87H2M182075

3 (Olds) G (Cutlass S) 87 (Hardtop Coupe) H (L32, 350, 2bbl) 2 (1972) M
(Lansing) (serial)

> ST7233667LAN383372

ST72 (1972) 3 (Olds) 36 (Cutlass S) 87 (Holiday Coupe, you have 67 which
would be a convertible, which would be a 42 series, not a 36) LAN (built
in Lansing) (body sequence number)

> 947   65A

947 (7 is the code for white interior) 65 (Flame Orange paint) A (white
top)

> 2C A52 B60 or B80 (can't tell which from cowl tag)

2 (February) C (third week, this is the build date) A52 (code for bench
seat - no armrest) B80 (code for chrome roof drip moldings)

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

> I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
> my 442, 
> Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
> as you know don't leave you stranded.....
> 
I have a Mallory Unilite with the MSD 6AL in both my 71 442 with 455
(over 3 years, no problems) and in my 76 GMC 1/2 ton with a 502, (1.5
years, no problems).  I also know two other people with Unilites that
are still kicking after 2 years and 4 years respectively.


E. ignitions have been known to sputter then quit, or just quit period. 
(Especially if they know they're not close to home) I never (knock on
sheetmetal) have had a problem with the Unilites.  I did Unilites
because they have a small head and I wouldn't have to bash things around
for clearance.  Plus they were all new.

I like 'em.  But make an informed choice.  HEI's are relatively cheap
from a junkyard, but do your inspections!  It just boils down to how
much you want to spend and personal choice.   An HEI has at least one
advantage over Unilites, you can get a cap and rotor almost ANYWHERE.

My 2 cents,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:13:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.

NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
====                       =====             =====     ===
Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
 (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv


        Looks like we have a good group of people so far. Are there any
more? Where are you?

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:13:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for 1969 Cutlass Part

At 11:35 PM 6/26/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I own a 1969 Cutlass Oldsmobile.  It drives well, but I seem to have problems
>with the front brakes.  Every time I brake, the car pulls hard to the left.
> Sometimes when the car is cold it will pull to the left and to the right.  I
>have installed a new master cylinder, power booster, power brake check valve,
>four new wheel cylinders, and new brake pads.  Also, I have blead the brakes.
> After doing all this the car started braking fine for a few days, but then
>went back to pulling again.  Does this problem sound like there is a
>restriction in the brake lines or else is the proportional valve going out.
> If anyone can help with this I would be very appreciative.
>

        I've never had anything but problems with power drum brakes. They
are junk. Your best move would be to find a donor car and swap an entire
disc brake setup into the car. This will eliminate all the brake pulling
problems. Drums kind of get a mind of their own especially when they get
wet. Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack

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From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:13:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Insurance Comapnies

At 02:48 PM 6/27/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>
>Sorry I didn't save the discussion of several months ago regarding insurance
>companies and "stated value" policies.  Could y'all post some suggestions
>for insuring my classic car.  I have been keeping "full coverage" on this
>car since 1989 or so, but my insurance company has no decided to not carry
>comprehensive and collision for cars more than 15 years old.
>
>What kind of coverage do y'all carry?  Is "stated value" the right thing to
>ask for?  Any suggestions for insurance companies?
>
>Thanks for any information,
>Bob
>
>P.S.  I promise to save the thread this time :)
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
> 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
> Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
Bob

        Depending on how often you drive your car and for what reasons will
make a huge difference in insurance price. I used to have a regular full
coverage policy on my SX. It was very expensive for how much I drove the
car. I have went to a company by the name J. C. Taylor. My insurance costs
me $126.00 per year. That is Full covereage with no deductible and a
apprasied value of $14000.00. There are limitations on this insurance. No
more than 2500 miles a year, can NOT drive it to and from work, IS in a
locked garage and such. For my purposes this works great for the two of my
cars I have insured this way. What out for "stated value" coverage. It DOES
NOT mean you get $5000 or whatever iat the time of loss. That just means
that the most they will pay is $5000. If the car appreciates you will loose
out. They may not even offer to pay the $5000 if YOU can't prove the car was
worth that much. Shop smartly and ask lots of questions. Good luck!

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:14:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Lansing: Where Are You?

This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.

NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
====                       =====             =====     ===
Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
 (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442

        Looks like we have a good group of people so far. Are there any
more? Where are you?

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:32:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for 1969 Cutlass Part

> I own a 1969 Cutlass Oldsmobile.  It drives well, but I seem to have problems
> with the front brakes.  Every time I brake, the car pulls hard to the left.
>  Sometimes when the car is cold it will pull to the left and to the right.  I
> have installed a new master cylinder, power booster, power brake check valve,
> four new wheel cylinders, and new brake pads.  Also, I have blead the brakes.
>  After doing all this the car started braking fine for a few days, but then
> went back to pulling again.  Does this problem sound like there is a
> restriction in the brake lines or else is the proportional valve going out.
>  If anyone can help with this I would be very appreciative.
> 
Disc front brakes, or drum?  You said 4 wheel cyls, but pads instead of shoes!  
:)  Doubt it's the valve; are both L & R drums/rotors turned to the same 
diameter/thickness?  Worth a try... good luck!  Oh, if it's drums, also try 
arc-grinding the brake shoes, if you can find a place that has the machine... 
brief explanation, if you think of it, the arc (which looks like a parenthis, 
which I guess is the singular of parenthesis?) of the inside of the drum, ie 
braking surface  "("  will actually change as drum dia increases (from wear 
and/or turning...) so only the center of a shoe made for a 9" drum will contact 
the drum... like this  >(  or this ((  or even better, this  (( ))  (great 
graphics, eh?) if the drum is larger than 9" ID, ie if it's been worn or turned 
to say, 9.030 or whatever... The paren is the shoe in Diagram A.  Get it?  Kinda 
hard to explain verbally... Greg Kalkhoff in Wisconsin from the Toro list 
actually has one of these gadgets; b'ieve it or not, the Sears store here also 
had one... allows the full surface of the shoe to contact the drum by matching 
the arcs... a good brake/front end shop, maybe a "mom & pop" one, forgive the 
expression, s/b able to help you.  BTW, tech tip; here in Washington DC area, 
some cabbies own their own vehicles... those who do are quite particular about 
maintenance... hint, find out the repair shop they use!

Doug Kitchener

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:33:50 -0700
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Rules

Thank you Walter.  Looks like we're next of kin too (Delta 88's).


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 20:38:23 -0700
Subject: Re: Gasoline (WAS Re: Today's Youth)

Oh Daaaannnnnnnn.....I have a little neighborhood Mobil that sells its
Premium 93 octane for $1.33 a gallon - a full .20 cheaper then anyone else.
 I keep wondering when the 'other' guys are gonna figure out that his never
empty pumps probably net him the biggest profit!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Terrance Bradley <Docolds@Magmacom.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 1997 23:40:40 -0700
Subject: Re: 72 S Cutlass hdtp

Don 
E-mail or call me about the 72 cutlass on condition & price.
Also let me know where your located.

 Docolds@Magmacom.com
 1-613-567-9203 after 5 pm est
 Thanks

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:17:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: What is wrong with today's youth?

At 03:09 PM 6/27/97 -0300, Shang wrote:

>AMEN! I was waiting for that one. I am 22 and make 55K a year, but it
>still is not enough to own a house and own a new performance vehicle. I
>enjoy my Cutlass very very much, but I also enjoy a new car to. State
>Farm reviewed my policy and after having one wreck, my rates almost
>doubled. It would cost me $580 a month to have both the Cutlass
>(liability only) and a new Pontiac T/A (with a $500 deductable)I *could*
>do it, but its just not worth it. Paying that much money to an insurance
>company is just a waste, not to mention that although the modern
>F-bodies are cool, they are not nearly the same quality as our '70's
>machine. I opted to go with an Impala SS instead, but it still costs
>more in insurance than it should. When I told my Dad how much I was a
>paying a month for insurance he almost had a heart attack!

Wow Stephen. I am 25 and pay $673 a half for full coverage, $100 deductable
on my 93 Z and liability only on my 80 442.  Funny thing about the Impala
SS, I was looking into getting one soon to replace the Z with but my
Insurance rates would go UP by $20 a half with that car. I thought it would
drop alot...;-? 
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH  f-body list member since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2, Firestone Firehawk SVX tires,
TFX cat-back, 160 'stat, homeade air intake, Accel 300+ ignition and coil,
Mobil 1 fluids, blackouts(rear+turn.).........14.165@98.70 before listed mods
Coming soon: authentic SS hood, spoiler and SLP exhaust
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car...see at http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25-(2 of them)

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:24:01 -0500
Subject: Re: ADMIN: List Rules

jones wrote:
> 
> I would like to extend a thumbs up to all the girls, car gals, Olds ladies
> or what ever they perfer to be called. There are few females who appreciate
> the same things we do and they should be treated like the special people
> they are. Anyone bashing them or giving them a hard time should be kicked
> without warning.
> Walter
> 66 Delta 88 convertable
> 
You missed a spot.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:46:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing - Where are you?    

> This is the updated list. Please add to it if you haven't already.
> 
> NAME                     HOTEL             DATES    CAR
> ====                       =====             =====     ===
> Beaulieu, Greg        Hampton Inn      8/18-23    none
> Hirtle, Don              Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Penny, Steve          Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Smith, Brian           Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton           8/18-23     none
> Chermack, Jim       Mariott East       8/18-25     70 SX W-32
> Harkema, Doug      Holt, MI              all            none yet
> Easton, Jeff           Fairfield Okemos 8/20-22     70 442 black
> Hendley, Daren      Ramada             8/20-24     none
> McFarlane, Cliff      Holiday West     8/19-23      63 Starfire
> Westlake, Steve     Holiday West     8/19-23      63 - 98
> Glista, Richard       Holiday West     8/19-23      68 - 442
> Wilson, Jim            none                 8/19-23      64 Stafire
> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western    8/19-24      87 442 (Just Me)
>  (w/ Donna & Eli)     Midway             8/19-24      94 LSS (w/wife & kid)
> Matt Cremean         Cremean Inn      8/21          73 Cutlass Supreme
> Dan Gulino             Sleep Inn           8/20-24      75 Delta 88 Conv
> Johnson, Ernie        Ramada            8/20-24      67-442
  Kitchener, Doug       Holiday West      8/19-24      Gold '70 Supreme Conv 

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:42:01 -0400
Subject: Re: electronic ignitions

> > I'm contemplating installing an Ignitor or Mallory electronic ignition in
> > my 442,
> > Anyone have experience with these units, specifically, do they break?  Points
> > as you know don't leave you stranded.....
> >
Oh, Sorry!  I misread the question.   I thought you were contemplating
an entire Mallory Unilite.  Never mind.   I've heard nothing but good
things about the Ignitor.  But here again, unless you are really handy
with auto wiring and distributor maintenance, I would think strongly
about using an HEI unit. A lot easier to install. One wire to an
ignition feed, and tach and battery wires on the side, then your done.
Unless you  WANT to keep the stock appearance.  It's up to you.  Of
course you know if you use the HEI, your stock 442 air cleaner won't
fit  without minor modification with a 20 lb. sledge-hammer......

Mike Rothe

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:48:56 -0400
Subject: Re: New guy on the small block

At 06:21 PM 6/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> I looked at a '70 SX for another person, that was repainted the original
>>  silver, and I mentioned to the guy that I was going to have to paint my
[snip]
>>  when I said this, asked if I'd painted many cars (no, I haven't). He said
>>  that it's very tough to avoid a "zebra" effect where the metallic in the
>>  silver overlaps with the spraygun passes, and is apparently extra-metallic
>>  at those points.
>
>I have never heard of this "zebra effect."  Maybe he didn't put enough coats.
> I havn't had this problem with metallics.

Well, I'm just relaying what he told me, but he did say it was especially a
problem with the silver paint. FWIW, the paint on his car was immaculate, so
it can be done right; I suppose it just takes some experience, if there is
in fact any difficulty in the first place (he could have been lying, for all
I know...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 1997 00:10:51 -0500
Subject: Re: Nothing is wrong with today's youth!

Brad Bowles wrote:

>         Well, I am a part of today's youth.  And that youth that the previous
> generations (you older guys) are reminicing about is here in Napa.  Our
> high school car club consists of almost all muscle cars (20+) and we
> continuously have races to see who's is the fastest (currently I am).
>         Our whole teen-age generation is based on THE J.  The J is the local
> street perfect for cruisin', racing, and just loitering.  On THE J we
> have THE SPOT, where a select few (10+) park our cars, show style, and
> sit on the curb of the street pointing out who-has-what in the hot rods
> that go by.
>         Every-so-often, a person from out of town will challange one of us to a
> race, for that we head out to a rual road in the vinyards.  The person
> to race usually is the fastest, and that's me (for now).
>         The old 32's, etc, don't really exist due to the high prices they now
> fetch, and our minimum wage/part time jobs can't afford them.  But a
> couple friends have T-buckets.
>         There is the Unofficial "Cruise Night" which is held on a Saturday late
> in August.  For such an event, all the malt shops, coffee houses, and
> fast food joints stay open till 1 in the morning.  Hundreds of people
> come to watch the cars go by and to show their cars.  It is so crowded
> that it takes over one-and-a-half hours to cruise THE J, only two miles
> in length.  And like most cruise nights, there are several burn-outs and
> even more cops.
>         I find it unfortunate for other teens to not have hobbies with so much
> support.  But if you are in Napa on Friday night, go down Jefferson St,
> and across from McDonalds you will find several cars parked in a lot,
> known as THE SPOT.  I'm the one with the quick '70 Oldsmobile 442 W-30.
> Brad
> 70 442

 Man you had better cherish what you have.  When I was in high school,
not so long ago (class of 87) we used to cruise Dodge St. which is the
main drag in Omaha.  It was very simular to what you describe as far as
activities etc.  About 5 years ago the city council here passed a "No
cruising" law that made it illegal to be seen passing the same spot more
than three times in like an hours time on weekends from 7pm-4am.   It's
not just Omaha that has passed such a law either, alot of cities are
doing it now. Yeah, your right, it's a big steaming crock.  I was no
longer hitting Dodge on a regular basis by the time that law was passed
but it REALLY ate me up anyway because as far as I was concerned that
was a part of this towns history.  Why?  My PARENTS met while cruising
Dodge in 1966.  My dad was running around town in his 65 GS raising
hell.  Now days the kids have to travel 50 miles to Lincoln to cruise
and thats a shame.  So, like I said enjoy it while you have it and make
sure you dont let any bad elements ruin it for you the way they did us. 
it really makes me sick I wont have anywhere to "cruise" when my new
project is finished.
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- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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