
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, August 1 1997        Volume 01 : Number 780



6 volt headlight
Re:  Michigan roads/Brycemans T-shirts
Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but
FS: Cars in Rhode Island
found a Muncie
HELP!: Ignition problem
Re: LANSING LIST
how can i get in the caravan of western NY?
Re: Latest JWO
exhaust...FINALLY!!!!
Re: FS: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)
Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Re: FS: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Re: RS liquidation?
Blown Head Gasket Symptomes
Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter
Greetings
UNBOUNCE: Found a Muncie
UNBOUNCE: Ignition Problem
Lock Service Packages For Sale (8/1)
Re: exhaust...FINALLY!!!!
toner
Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes
This Set The Stage
1966 Delta 88
Re: UNBOUNCE: Ignition Problem
J.Chermack pls email me
Re: 1966 Delta 88
Michigan Road Report
Info on that "toner" scam ad (long) (Was Re: toner)
Brake Line Diameter/Length
Re: Brake Line Diameter/Length
Re: Brake Line Diameter/Length
Last Call! Chicago Olds Meet This Sunday!
Re: Congratulations in order
Re: more roadblox
Re: Brake Line Diameter/Length
Re: More roadblox
1966 Delta 88
Attention all 1964-65 442/Cutlass Owners...
Re: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)
Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes
Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I
Re: Attention all 1964-65 442/Cutlass Owners...
Re: 68 442 RH Fender
Karl Aune's Doppler Effect and other minutiae
Re: more roadblox
Re: =?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=97=B6=FF=FF=FF=FF=90=AE=FF=FF=8B=94=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=89=B2=E1=97=8B=94=E0R=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF?=
Re: more roadblox

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:46:55 -0300
From: raneuma@ibm.net
Subject: 6 volt headlight

Does anyone have a source for antique lightbulbs?  I have a 1929 Olds 2 
Dr with a 6 volt electrical system and on of my lightbulbs has the low 
beam burnt out.  Is there a source for these things?

Bob Neumann

1929 2 DR
Garage full of 1970 w-30 parts.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 22:52:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re:  Michigan roads/Brycemans T-shirts

I have not been reading the Olds Digest  lately as we have been super busy
shipping parts to the centennial participants,  so please excuse me if any of
this is redundant.   Someone mentioned the quality (or rather the lack
thereof) Michigan highways.  We vended at the show in Lansing several weeks
ago and I am here to say that the Michigan highways were the worst of the
trip.  Fortunatly we only had an hour or two on them as any more will beat
you to pieces.  We were in our one ton extended cab Dodge dually so we were
not expecting them to be smooth as velvet, but they were rough.

I would also like to take this opportunity to ask all members of this list to
aquire (buy, beg or borrow) a t-shirt from the Bryceman and wear it at least
one day at the big celebration.  His site  and this list are  the closest
thing we have in this hobby to a central clearinghouse of info and sources.
 Lets all show our support and help spread the word by "showing our colors"
at the big event.  If you have not seen them, they are, IMHO, some of the
nicest Olds T-shirts ever.   I don't know what they cost but I'm sure Bryce
is not trying to get rich so please consider showing your support for our
hobby and this venue.  

In an effort to put my money where my mouth is, if you come to the Brothers
Auto Trailer and your wearing your Bryceman shirt, we will extend a special
discount just for the asking....how about it folks?

Sincerly for Oldsmobiles,
Steve Kenny
Brothers Automotive Products
Website Catalog at   www.oldsparts.com
Orders 800-442-7278
Questions 816-662-2060

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:12:34 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

>> > > > Does anyone know of a good source for a drivers side rear qtr panel for
>> > > > a 65 Olds Jetstar I that is reasonably priced  $650/pr at Fusick's
<snip>
>> Then my suggestion to you would be to pick up a Hemmings, or an Old car
<snip>
>> bondo. thats as cheap as it gets.
<snip>
>I understand that panels are expensve and I should just patch the
>existing panel due to my budget, but the panel is disintegrated and look
>as if they were already patched once after a fender bender.  I don't
>plan on making it a show grade vehicle, I just don't have the money.  I
>want a cruiser for whenever it isn't crappy out.  I don't like the idea
>of having a car that never sees rain, this one sees every rainstorm.  It
>lives outside for now, I can't talk my dad out of his garage space and
>he won't let my mom give up hers even though she volunteered.  I didn't
>realize how scarce panels are for series 88 2dr cars.  I'll check around
         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See, around here there *are* no more 1965 cars, that are not already
restored. If you should happen to find one in a junkyard somewhere (and you
won't around here in a general junkyard, because they've crushed all pre-'80
cars, since they're "too old"), it's unlikely that the panels on that will
be in better shape than your own. Think about it this way; how many pairs of
NOS panels for a '65 full-size do you think still exist? If there are a
dozen pairs in the world, uninstalled, I'd be shocked that there are so
many. How much do you think someone will charge you to cut a good panel off
a car and ship it to you, so you can weld it in place? Maybe things are
different in your neck of the woods, and they keep those old cars around,
and the cars in the parts yards are suitable donors for your project. If
that's the case, then I want to move where you are!

Seriously, if $325 is too much to spend on a panel, then your best option is
some sheet aluminum or steel from your local hardware store, a pair of
tin-snips, some pop-rivets, and as someone else said, a bucket of bondo.
That's what I did to the rear of my SX when they wanted $1200 to weld on a
pair of new quarters back when I was in high-school. Now, though, I'm
wishing I saved the money or got a loan from my parents, as a single NOS
quarter panel is now a lot more than that... Those panels aren't going to
get cheaper, and your panels are not going to be getting any better. But, if
you're not planning on keeping this car, just patch it up and have fun!
Someone else will buy those quarters for a restoration.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:15:34 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: I know it's not Oldsmobile, but

At 06:41 PM 7/31/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>> 
>> I don't get it?!?!
>
>Wayne Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> Why didn't he just switch suites.....not as messy.  
>
>Geez!  Tough crowd, Dan.  Kalkhoff's gonna love this one.
>
>    66 Toro 
>The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

Mike,

Tell me about it!

Wayne, the whole point is that he DIDN'T switch the suits!!!!


Dan

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:17:46 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: FS: Cars in Rhode Island

OK, not mine, but here's the details on some cars in the paper today:

OLDSMOBILE: 1964 Starfire Convertible. Rare find! Asking $12,900.
401-861-7788 or 401-943-6565

OLDSMOBILE: 1971 Cutlass Convertible red/white interior needs restoration
$875 #4709 508-761-5174 am 401-861-7256 pm

These are Rhode Island or southern Massachusetts numbers.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:57:35 +2000 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: found a Muncie

As luck would have it, saw a shifter today, a 4-speed, with white ball still in
place. Was kinda looking for a shifter after seeing the CRAP that Hurst sells
[installed one in a truck at work...] Gosh, real old-type Hurst shifter,
attached to a Muncie 4-speed trans. Got it, not sure of internal condition, but
still turns OK. Numbers indicate started life as a '69 Chevy, I believe. Hmmmm,
Corvette?
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:06:29 -0400
From: Brian Kennedy <kennedyb@primenet.com>
Subject: HELP!: Ignition problem

I have a 1985 Cutlass with a built 455.  I was in the process of shaking
the car down after the new power plant was put in, and after a short
while (two weeks of very limited test driving) the car would cut out and
die.  If you tried to restart the motor, it would start fine only to
repeat the entire process again.  Since this time, I have relocated and
had the car shipped via commercial carrier.  Now, the car has no spark
whatsoever.  In troubleshooting, I found the MSD HEI module I was runnig
was charred around the heat sink area.  I have since replaced the
component with the same module and am having the exact same problem. 
Does this problem sound like an internal HEI wiring problem (poor
ground, etc.) or do I have dome fundamental problem that I am
overlooking....admittedly the wiring from the starter and the alternator
is not my strong suit, but the fact that it worked and now does not
leads me to think that wiring external to the HEI itself is not the
problem.  Any and all suggestions are welcome....Please help!
V/R,
Brian Kennedy
Yuma, AZ

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:12:21 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: LANSING LIST

why am i not on the list?

how do i get on?

- --joe ferrero   1948 olds (dynamic 66)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:18:20 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: how can i get in the caravan of western NY?

i would like to know how to get in the caravan of western NY? 
I tried to contact the number given in "olds today" but it gave me a 
delphi (GM plant) phone number and they say that they never heard of the 
"contact person"

will oldsmobile owners be trailering or driving their cars?

and also where would the caravan meet, and when / what date would they 
leave?


If you could, PLEASE help me out with this information!  

THANKS (in advance)!

- --joe  (1948 oldsmobile)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 21:28:39 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Latest JWO

Alright Peg - it doesn't matter, as long as it wins something!!  How goes
your bracket racing?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72
Vista Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:40:02 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: exhaust...FINALLY!!!!

Okay, I've been pretty quiet for a while. Now, it's time to speak up.

Tuesday morning, 8:00am. I take the Cutlass down the road to a local
exhaust shop. I got told by one of my employers (also a very close
friend of the family) that this guy really knows what he's doing.
	Got the Heddmans and the Flowmasters in my paw's van. Parked the car,
and went home. The whole setup goes like this:

put the hedders on, bend the 2 1/2" pipes, hook up the Flowmasters, then
run 2 1/4" over the wheel wells (drat!!!). Sounds pretty "by-the-book"
right?

As of 5:00pm today:

Left side hedder on, right side Exh. Manifold off (two bolts remain to
be removed from the head), dangling starter, AC brackets torn apart.
AHHHHHH!!! I want that car now!! I want my friends to hear what real
power sounds like (from an Olds anyway). I had some chrome valve covers
that I wanted put on, got those on. My dad went to the trouble of taking
his dusty old C*rvette and jackig it up and on blocks. He took the
American Racing Indys (real magnesium....ooooohh) off. They're mine as a
gift. They fit too!! This car will be tubbed!!!! Got air shocks, will
tub! So, I guess I can take all that stuff about rims on my web page
down eh? I hope they can get it done tomorrow. I dying to drive it
again. I HATE THE VAN!!!!

Please, pray for me ;-)
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 31 Jul 1997 23:52:07 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: FS: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)

> $3500. Either something is majorly wrong (i.e. a "two-part" frame), or
> they're just trying to sell it and don't know what others are gouging.., uh,
> selling these for.

I paid $800 for my 66, but it has the rare two piece frame option. =)
(well, almost)  But the car is 99% original , everything is there. 
Sometimes you can find folks that dont have a clue, this guy just wanted
it gone, it was his sons.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 00:02:38 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

Rick Anderson wrote:> > -----------------------------------------
> I understand that panels are expensve and I should just patch the
> existing panel due to my budget, but the panel is disintegrated and look
> as if they were already patched once after a fender bender.  I don't
> plan on making it a show grade vehicle, I just don't have the money.  I
> want a cruiser for whenever it isn't crappy out.  I don't like the idea
> of having a car that never sees rain, this one sees every rainstorm.  It
> lives outside for now, I can't talk my dad out of his garage space and
> he won't let my mom give up hers even though she volunteered.  I didn't
> realize how scarce panels are for series 88 2dr cars.  I'll check around
> the yards for some.

Yup, thats about all you can do, they dont even make patch panels for
that year Cutlass even, so choices are limited.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:16:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: FS: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)

i know what you mean about the price. my dad found my 67 cutlass convertible
for $800 also. it just needs to be put back together and painted. dont we
wish we could find more great deals now-a-days.

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:21:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

what does a complete dual-gate for a 70-72 go for now-a-days? i mean complete
brackets,cables,top plate and all. thanks!

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: RS liquidation?

Will the nos carb 7029253 fit a 69 442 4spd. w/ A/C?
And if it does would you consider $200?
If so, I,m a buyer!

Thanks,
Bob Iozia

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 01:49:00 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes

	I was wondering if anyone would know what the sympoms of a blown or
leaking head gasket are?  How do you blow a gasket? Could it be just from
old age?  I have got a 307 in 81 Delta and it seems to have lost some
power, crapy idle especialy when cold, some smell and oscolating vacum
gauge.  The gaskets are old (original 200,000 miles) and latley I have been
reving the poor thing to around 4000 RPM, which seems to of have made the
problem worse.  How do I determine if it is the gasket?  
P.S. What is the redline for this engine anyway?  Its all stock, I alway
thought perhaps around 4000

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 04:22:25 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate shifter

> I am just inquiring if anybody knows if Hurst still manufactures the
> Dual gate shifter?  I've become very interested in finding one..
> 
Funny this dual gate thing is being bandied about.  I was scanning in
some Dual/Gate ads from 1963!  Available to fit Pontiac and Oldsmobile,
and soon to fit Chryslers.....they had a keyswitch on the console, and a
AUTO/COMP indicator, along with the slide gate.  Reverse of course was
all the way back in the "her" position.  The ad even mentions that it is
"her" position.  I'll have to get that pic posted for everyone to see
that.  Weird shifter knob...

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 02:19:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Coons" <rcoons@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Greetings

Greetings from a new subscriber,

	It is wonderful to find so many Olds enthusiasts keeping these
great cars running.  Thanks to Lisa Madsen and her web page for directing
me to this list.
 
	I am the proud owner of two 1972 Cutlass Supremes.  One is a
convertible and the other a hardtop.  I bought my convertible in 1981, the
summer after I graduated from high school.  I spent the entire summer
looking at Mustang, Chevy, and Lemans convertibles, but the Oldsmobile
stood out from all of them.  I fell in love with it the first time I saw
it (I think you all know what I mean). I paid $2200 dollars for it, drove
it away, and have never seen a new car I like better.  It was my daily
driver until 1990 when I inherited my Grandmothers 1972 Cutlass hardtop. 
By that time my convertible had 300,000 miles on it (ouch) and was in need
of some TLC.  My Grandmothers car became my daily driver, and I began
restoring my convertible.  Although marriage, kids, career changes, etc.
have delayed my restoration plans, just keeping two 25 year old cars on the
road is a challenge.  Thanks in advance for the help.

Russell Coons

1972 Cutlass Conv.
1972 Cutlass 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:12:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Found a Muncie

This one bounced due to a header line problem... forwarding

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: found a Muncie
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

As luck would have it, saw a shifter today, a 4-speed, with white ball still in
place. Was kinda looking for a shifter after seeing the CRAP that Hurst sells
[installed one in a truck at work...] Gosh, real old-type Hurst shifter,
attached to a Muncie 4-speed trans. Got it, not sure of internal condition, but
still turns OK. Numbers indicate started life as a '69 Chevy, I believe. Hmmmm,
Corvette?
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 07:13:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Ignition Problem

The "H*LP" word bit this one...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Brian Kennedy <kennedyb@primenet.com>
Reply-To: kennedyb@primenet.com
Subject: H*LP!: Ignition problem

I have a 1985 Cutlass with a built 455.  I was in the process of shaking
the car down after the new power plant was put in, and after a short
while (two weeks of very limited test driving) the car would cut out and
die.  If you tried to restart the motor, it would start fine only to
repeat the entire process again.  Since this time, I have relocated and
had the car shipped via commercial carrier.  Now, the car has no spark
whatsoever.  In troubleshooting, I found the MSD HEI module I was runnig
was charred around the heat sink area.  I have since replaced the
component with the same module and am having the exact same problem. 
Does this problem sound like an internal HEI wiring problem (poor
ground, etc.) or do I have dome fundamental problem that I am
overlooking....admittedly the wiring from the starter and the alternator
is not my strong suit, but the fact that it worked and now does not
leads me to think that wiring external to the HEI itself is not the
problem.  Any and all suggestions are welcome....Please help!
V/R,
Brian Kennedy
Yuma, AZ

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 07:21:40 -0400
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: Lock Service Packages For Sale (8/1)

I have the following Oldsmobile lock service packages which I would like
to sell:

NOS decklid lock package, part number 3910570.  My 1975 Parts Manual
says that this is for all 1967s except Toronado, 1971 F85, 5400, 6400
and Toronado, and 1975 X, AF, AG, AJ29-57, BL, BN C, and E bodied cars.
Includes an uncoded lock cylinder, case, cap, cap springs, and shutter
assembly.  Lock coding, assembly, and a key are required to use this
service package.  $6.00, including shipping to any address in North
America.  (have 3)

NOS decklid lock package, part number 3931615.  For all 1968 except
Toronado, and all 1972 except 6400, 8400 and 8600 styles.  Includes an
uncoded lock cylinder, case, and cap.  Lock coding, assembly, and a key
are required to use this service package.  $6.00, including shipping to
any address in North America.  (have 2)

NOS lock package, part number 3996650.  My parts book doesnıt list this
part number so I believe itıs for cars newer than 1975, but I donıt know
for sure what itıs intended for.  In original package.  Includes an
uncoded lock cylinder and case.  Lock coding, assembly, and a key are
required to use this service package.  $5.00, including shipping to any
address in North America.  (have 2)

NOS lock package, part number 9714770.  My 1975 book doesnıt list this
part number, but this appears to be a tailgate lock for station wagons
with electric window and release, based upon the three electrical
contacts on the back of the lock.  This is a coded lock, which comes
complete with two square-headed GM C-code keys cut for the lock.
$15.00, including shipping to any address in North America.
 
(8/1/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
any of these items, or if you would like additional information about
any of them.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner ==========+
|        | | |   OCA #3943            |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|        | | |   tgstoner@umich.edu   |
|         ===                         |
+=====================================+

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 03:36:02 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: exhaust...FINALLY!!!!

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Please, pray for me ;-)
> --

Your post reminded me of a commercial I saw on TV last night about a
young man being accused of being obsessive about his car.  At the same
time he denies this and unviels a small album of car pictures. :-)
It think we all are a little preoccupied about our cars.  Heck I know
I am :-)  As for praying for you, nah not needed!  :-)

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:12:20 -0400
From: 98316681@prodigy.com
Subject: toner













(FOR ALL YOUR PRINTER/COPIER/FAX SUPPLIES)





BENCHMARK PRINT SUPPLY

5579-B Chamblee Dunwoody Rd  #371

Atlanta GA 30338

(770)512-0083



PRINTER SUPPLIES SPECIALS FOR THE MONTH OF JULY;

New toner cartridge prices as follows:



HEWLETT PACKARD

Series 2,3=$59   

Series 2P=$54

Series 4,4M,4 Plus =$79

Series 3SI/4SI=$85

Series 4L=$54

Series 5L=$50

Series 5P=$79  

Series 4V=$100

Series 5SI= $145 

Fax  FX1/FX2=$59

Deskjet/Inkjet= $21





IBM/LEXMARK: 

Optra 4019/4029/4039=$125



EPSON: 

Models  7000/1500=$100 

CANON FAX/PC'S:  

Fax 700,770,5000,7000=$59

PC Copier 6re/7/11=$69 

PC Copier 320/740=$79 





PLEASE CALL FOR OTHER PRINTER/FAX/COPIER/COMPUTER  SUPPLIES NOT

LISTED ABOVE



- - VISA/MASTERCARD/AMEX CARDS WELCOME - CORPORATE ACCOUNTS AVAILABLE W/APPROVED CREDIT- OFFICE HOURS ARE 10-6 EST



IF YOU'RE GETTING YOUR TONER CHEEPER  THAN OURS WE OFFER

YOU A 10% DISCOUNT OFF OF WHAT YOU'RE PAYING.



ASK FOR OUR FREE CATALOG. WE CARRY THE LARGEST SELECTION OF

PRINTER/FAX/COPIER/COMPUTER SUPPLIES AVAILABLE.



ORDER FROM  BENCHMARK PRINT SUPPLY ONE OF THE LARGEST 

DISTRIBUTERS OF FAX/PRINTER/COPIER SUPPLIES WITH UNCONDITIONAL

1 YEAR WARRANTY ON ALL PRODUCTS .



TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR LIST CLICK ON BLUE BELOWAND IN THE HEADER TYPE "REMOVE".



<a href="mailto:capital@answerme.com">click here </a>

mailto:capital@answerme.com


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 09:24:15 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes

Igor,

Quick and dirty check for a blown head gasket:

WITH THE ENGINE COLD, remove the radiator cap.  Start the engine and if,
when you rev the motor, the coolant bubbles, then it's bad news.

Patrick

Igor wrote:
> 
>         I was wondering if anyone would know what the sympoms of a blown or
> leaking head gasket are?  How do you blow a gasket? Could it be just from
> old age?  I have got a 307 in 81 Delta and it seems to have lost some
> power, crapy idle especialy when cold, some smell and oscolating vacum
> gauge.  The gaskets are old (original 200,000 miles) and latley I have been
> reving the poor thing to around 4000 RPM, which seems to of have made the
> problem worse.  How do I determine if it is the gasket?
> P.S. What is the redline for this engine anyway?  Its all stock, I alway
> thought perhaps around 4000

- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:27:06 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: This Set The Stage

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 Peg O'Connor wrote:

. . . Oh, yeah, and I think the mop holding up the trunklid is what
clinched my prize.  :)

**********************
Well I for one certainly can not wait for the Centennial to get here, and
the chance to meet someone so creative.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:34:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: 1966 Delta 88

      Hi,
          Does anyone know what kind of tranny fluid I should use for my 1966
Delta 88? Can't find Dexron anymore, only available is the Dexron 2 / Mercon
blend or the Dexron 3 / Mercon blend. Should I use either one will a complete
change of tranny fluid be required (including torque converter), or can I top
off what is in it? Also does anyone know how many qts. of tranny fluid the
system holds? Thank You all for the help.

Crazy Eddie
 1966 Delta 88
 1980 Toronado Diesel

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 06:49:53 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Ignition Problem

My first thought was to check clearance around the battery and
alternator cables, but the bad HEI module makes me suspicious of that. 
I've seen a G-body buick exhibit similar problem which were caused by
one of the wires to the starter arcing against the driver's header when
the engine torqued over.

> had the car shipped via commercial carrier.  Now, the car has no spark
> whatsoever.  In troubleshooting, I found the MSD HEI module I was runnig
> was charred around the heat sink area.  I have since replaced the
> component with the same module and am having the exact same problem.

It sounds to me like you need to find what's toasting your HEI modules. 
Are you running the correct resistor plugs at the correct gap (AC R46SX
at 0.060-0.080 [depends on year] is stock for an Olds HEI engine)?  I
would check all of the wires in the distributor, maybe even check them
with an ohmmeter for an internal break (wiggle them around when testing
them).  Another possibility is that the capacitor in your HEI is bad,
I'm not sure but I think this guy's job is to filter the power going to
the HEI module.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 10:45:26 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: J.Chermack pls email me

Jim Chermack, can't seem to find your address,  pls email me, I'm interested in
some motor mounts...

Todd Morris
71 442
toddmorr@us.ibm.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:03:23 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: 1966 Delta 88

I use Dexron II in my 66 98. I've been consistent about it for about 15 years,
so I don't know the answer to the mixing question.

cf

 Hi,
>          Does anyone know what kind of tranny fluid I should use for my 1966
>Delta 88? Can't find Dexron anymore, only available is the Dexron 2 / Mercon
>blend or the Dexron 3 / Mercon blend. Should I use either one will a complete
>change of tranny fluid be required (including torque converter), or can I top
>off what is in it? Also does anyone know how many qts. of tranny fluid the
>system holds? Thank You all for the help.
>
>Crazy Eddie
> 1966 Delta 88
> 1980 Toronado Diesel

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:05:37 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Michigan Road Report

For those of you who are headed for Lansing in three short weeks from
locations to the south or east of Toledo, Ohio, I have the following
information to report:

I-280 in Toledo - This is the main route from the Ohio Turnpike to I-75 in
Toledo.  Traffic is reduced to one lane in each direction for work on the
bridge over the Maumee River.  The delay was not too bad for this last
Saturday, but I recommend avoiding this possible bottleneck if possible.
Take the next exit to the west at Toledo, and connect with US-23 instead.
The connector link is about three miles of multilane highways, but not a
limited access freeway.  Despite that, I don't expect that you would
experience any delays here.

I-75, between Toledo and Monroe, Michigan - Luckly, this isn't part of the
route from Toledo to Lansing, but problems here do merit mention.  There is
a road reconstruction project on I-75 which begins at the northern edge of
Toledo, crosses the state line into Michigan and is approximately 12 miles
long.  The freeway is normally two and three lanes wide here, and is
reduced to only one lane in each direction for at least a portion of this
distance.  Backups are reportedly occuring at all hours and on all days.  I
didn't drive this last Saturday, but did cross over I-75 three times and
observed the one lane traffic to be moving at about 20 miles per hour.
Avoid this portion of I-75 at any cost.  If you must head for the Detroit
area rather than directly to Lansing from Toledo, I recommend taking the
US-23 freeway to I-94 at Ann Arbor, or the US-24 or M-125 highways to
Monroe where you can rejoin I-75 north of the construction.  Note that
there is also major reconstruction occuring on I-275, between Monroe and
I-94 in Romulus.

US-23 in Toledo - I didn't drive too much of this freeway last Saturday,
but believe that it's open and that any construction would be small, local
projects.  This freeway branches off I-75 south of Toledo and skirts the
city on the west.  If you're heading to Lansing on I-75 from points south
of Toledo, this is your route.  The pavement here is relatively new and in
pretty good condition, as I recall from an earlier trip.

US-23, from Toledo to I-96 at Brighton, Michigan - This freeway has been
recently repaved and is in very good condition north of the state line, to
Milan, Michigan.  There are two major construction projects on the length
of US-23 in Michigan which is of interest to travelers to Lansing though.

The first is a repaving project which runs approximately six miles north
from Milan and can reduce traffic in each direction by one lane (to one
lane) during the hours that they're working.  This project is nearing
completion however, and on weekends and during the evening hours both lanes
are generally open to traffic.  Delays should not be too great here, even
during the work hours.  This project might even be completed and gone
within the next three weeks.  The posted speed limit through the
construction zone is 45, (it's generally 70 elsewhere, as it is on most
freeways in Michigan now) and traffic fines are doubled in construction
zones in Michigan now.

The second major project on US-23 is on the northern edge of Ann Arbor,
where another repaving project is affecting about three miles of US-23.
Again the posted speed limit is 45 and I've not encountered any
unreasonable delays there.  They may be reducing traffic to one lane in
each direction at times here though.

I-96, from Brighton to Lansing, Michigan - I have not driven this road
since May, but do not recall any major construction projects existing along
it at that time.  Approximately half of this distance has been repaved or
completely reconstructed in the past three year or so, and is therefore
still in very good condition.

Michigan gasoline prices:  I paid $1.199 per gallon for unleaded regular
last night, but our state gasoline tax went up by 4 cents per gallon at
midnight.  (The first such increase, I believe, since 1968.)  I noticed
that the price for an unleaded mid-grade was $1.249 and unleaded premium
was $1.299.  I presume that those prices are each 4 cents per gallon higher
today.  Throughout the state, unleaded regular prices have been between
$1.109 and about $1.299 for the past couple of months.  With all the fine
vintage Oldsmobiles headed into the state later this month, we may run out
of premium that week, but I'm sure that they'll make more.  ;-)

I hope that you find this information useful and I hope we all get to meet
in Lansing on the 21st.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 10:07:54 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Info on that "toner" scam ad (long) (Was Re: toner)

This is rather non-Olds but I think it's important for you
to read before a flamefest begins. Before anyone goes off 
on a rant, I want you all to be sure you are aiming in the 
right direction. Do _not_ just hit Reply; you will only
end up yelling at us on the Olds list. Do _not_ complain to 
Prodigy either; they had nothing to do with it. Please read 
on and I'll show you how the scam operates. This is quite
typical of email scam ads and contains a lot of detail that
you'll find useful in tracking other scams you may receive.

First, let's look at the headers of the message. The first
one is simply the local delivery from Greg's server to your
own (chigate, in our case):

> Received: from chebucto.ns.ca(129.173.4.200) by chigate via smap (V1.3)
>	id sma011138; Fri Aug  1 07:41:43 1997

Now we'll pick apart the ones below to see where it came from:

> Received: by chebucto.ns.ca id <91309-18771>; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:44:19 -0300

This seems to be an internal handoff within the chebucto system and
isn't very important.

> Received: from IDENT-NONSENSE@mail2.uunet.ca (port 1774 [142.77.1.15]) by
> chebucto.ns.ca with ESMTP id <91202-18769>; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 09:44:04 -0300

This is the message coming in from a mailserver at uunet.ca, and is a
legitimate header. But things get very interesting when we look to see
where uunet.ca got it from:

> Received: from mail.uunet.ca ([199.174.141.6]) by mail2.uunet.ca with 
>SMTP id <123810-15229>; Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:39:11 -0400

This is supposedly a handoff from mail.uunet.ca to mail2.uunet.ca.
Only it isn't. When mail2.uunet.ca got the message, it made a note
in parentheses that the message came from IP address 199.174.141.6,
which claimed to be mail.uunet.ca. But if you do a reverse IP lookup,
you find that that address actually belongs to ad14-006.compuserve.com;
in other words, it's someone with a Compuserve account forging their
ID information and injecting their junk ad right into uunet's own
mailserver for distribution.

Things now get even better:

> Received: from dfgdfg@baraj.com by 78283490@mrtger.com (8.8.5/8.6.5)
> with SMTP id GAA00631 for <82374hrfosdrf98379458>; Wed, 02 Jul 1997 
> 07:12:20 -0600 (EST)

This Received line is utterly and completely fake. It's made by the
software of the scammer as an attempt to redirect attention to a fake
domain of baraj.com, which doesn't actually exist, and was supposedly
received by mrtger.com, which not only doesn't exist either but also
is not shown in the Received line above this one, where it should have
appeared if it was handing the message up the line. But it does tell
us what program generated the scam.

This software is known as the Stealth Mailer, and is so badly written 
that it's instantly recognizable via two bugs in the above header: an 
SMTP id that always starts with "GAA..." and a wrong timezone correction
of "-0600 (EST)". (Eastern time is actually four or five hours behind
Greenwich Mean Time.)

More fake headers follow:

> Date: 	Wed, 2 Jul 1997 08:12:20 -0400

July 2? Where has this been for a month?  :-)

> From: 98316681@prodigy.com

Pure fiction. Prodigy has nothing to do with this at all; we know
it originated from Compuserve since that was the last legitimate
line in the headers.

> To: 82374hrfosdrf98379458@uunet.ca

More fiction, of course.

> Subject: toner
> Message-Id: <rterte3tr>
> X-Pmflags: 90834hansdgf90sd8-54
> X-Uidl: js9dft8954has8r7t038h4
> Comments: Authenticated sender is <89278938@mortctr.com>

There is nothing "Authenticated" about this at all.

And finally we get to the ad itself, which I won't bother to
copy here. Suffice to say that this outfit has a long tradition 
of forged spamming like this, and uses famous scam artists 
CyberPromotions to field email replies at their answerme.com
domain.

>TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR LIST CLICK ON BLUE BELOWAND IN THE HEADER TYPE
"REMOVE".
>
><a href="mailto:capital@answerme.com">click here </a>
>mailto:capital@answerme.com

One final warning: Do _not_ attempt to "remove" yourself from
their mailing list; you were not on it in the first place. Only
the Olds email address was compromised. If you don't send them
any email at the "remove" address, they'll never know you're out
there and you won't be subject to even more garbage ads.

Yes, this toner ad is pretty much a complete fraud. Anyone
in the Atlanta area is welcome to stop by the address given
and share their views with the spammer, though you are quite
likely to find a Mailboxes, Etc. outlet there, with an owner
who knows nothing about this.

So who needs to hear about this?

1) Compuserve. They've already been notified them to yank the 
account, for what that's worth, though it was probably a throwaway
to begin with.

2) UUnet. For some reason they are unable or unwilling to secure 
their mailserver against third-party relaying.

3) You can complain to AGIS.NET, which hosts the CyberPromo
domain, but save your breath; they absolutely do not care.

If you want to phone up the toner outfit and complain, go ahead. 
If you want to complain to the Attorney General or FTC, go ahead.
I just want you to be clear on how the scam operates, who is a 
real victim and who is not.

Sources for more information on email scams and spams:

1) The Get That Spammer! web page for spamfighting tools at
http://kryten.eng.monash.edu.au/gspam.html  A real treasure.

2) The Spam-l listserv for anti-spam discussion, tips and techniques.
A mailing list of approximately 365 people, including such notables
as Chris Lewis and Robert Braver. Contact me for subscription info
(it's free, but there are a couple of steps to go through).

3) The Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email, at
http://www.cauce.org  Another clearinghouse for spam information.

What can we do? Well, we might have to take the Olds list to a closed
format if this starts to get out of hand, where you have to subscribe 
in order to post. This is Greg's department, not mine, so I'll let him 
comment on that. Since the Olds list address is now on at least one
scammer's mailing list, we can expect to see more garbage like this,
not less.

Contact me if you have any further questions. Now returning you to
regular Olds discussion...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Brake Line Diameter/Length

It's brake time (again) on my 98. I'll spare you the long and mostly
uninteresting history, other than to say my adjustable proportioning
valve is leaking (just a bit) at it's connection to the line which
runs to the rear of the car.

Does anyone know what size hardline this is for a 66 98 and what size
fitting is standard? When I go to my parts store how many feet of this
hardline should i buy? I do know I have to double flare the ends for
safety. Just trying to do it right once and for all, uh, now.

Also, I recently found (and lost) a frame in the j-yard for my 98 from
a 4 door hardtop. Can anyone out there with an interchange manual tell
me if the 66 98 convert. frames were the same as the 66 98 two or 4
door hardtops? I seem to remember they were heavy duty, which to Olds
meant a fully boxed frame, but all the 98s of this year I've come
across have a boxed frame so I don't know what the convert difference
might be... Any thoughts?

Good tool of the week. Just bought a (whee) electric air hammer. This
is a godsend. I always thought you had to have a compressor, but no!
Pricey, but it changed doing the brakes on my girlfriends car from
a multiday to a few hours job. Wow! Oh, on that topic what's the difference
between air hammer sockets and regular ones? I've been using my regular
ones with is and have the vaguest impression that's not a good idea...

Thanks in advance!
cf

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 08:36:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Line Diameter/Length

- ---Chris Fair  wrote:

> It's brake time (again) on my 98. I'll spare you the long and mostly
> uninteresting history, other than to say my adjustable proportioning
> valve is leaking (just a bit) at it's connection to the line which
> runs to the rear of the car.
> 
> Does anyone know what size hardline this is for a 66 98 and what size
> fitting is standard? When I go to my parts store how many feet of
this
> hardline should i buy? I do know I have to double flare the ends for
> safety. Just trying to do it right once and for all, uh, now.
<SNIP> 
> Good tool of the week. Just bought a (whee) electric air hammer. This
> is a godsend. I always thought you had to have a compressor, but no!
> Pricey, but it changed doing the brakes on my girlfriends car from
> a multiday to a few hours job. Wow! Oh, on that topic what's the
difference  between air hammer sockets and regular ones? I've been
using my regular  ones with is and have the vaguest impression that's
not a good idea...
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> cf
> 
******Usually the line to the rear is 1/4" diameter. Some of the other
lines are 3/16". SAVE the nut which attach the rear line to the valve
as it is often has a larger diameter at the threaded portion than the
standard flare nuts. I have not been able to find these nuts at the
parts store. The same is true of the nuts at the master cylinder
itself. When you double flare the line just use the old nuts. I have a
term for this type of thing: "magic hardware". It also applies to all
the special bolts, clips, etc that you just can't replace with parts
store items!

******Air hammer sockets are made of a more shock resistant steel to
resist the pounding from an electric or air impact tool. They are also
unplated which save your hand from getting chewed up from flaking
chrome plating as you guide the socket. Ouch!  

===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com
_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 10:41:54 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Line Diameter/Length

>Oh, on that topic what's the difference
>between air hammer sockets and regular ones?

I imagine they won't crack as easily, or mushroom around the
edges over time.

>I've been using my regular
>ones with is and have the vaguest impression that's not a good idea...

Well, if they're Craftsman sockets I don't see a problem.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 10:49:19 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Last Call! Chicago Olds Meet This Sunday!

(CROWD: Oh, gawd, he's back again...)

Okay, I'm trying to make these reminders shorter and shorter,
so that eventually all I'll need to do is type the word "The",
and you'll all say to yourselves:

"Ah-ha!" you'll say. "The annual Transport Extravaganza is this 
Sunday, August 3rd, at the Illinois Rail Museum in Union, IL, and 
Olds owners from this list and elsewhere will be there, as will
just about every other brand of car club in the midwest area,
plus a bunch of operating trains to ride on, plus the weather
is supposed to be 82 degrees and sunny that day, plus more info
can be found at http://www.irm.org plus after Sunday, August 3rd
we won't have to read more of these announcements from Andy and 
he can get back to arguing with Mike Frederick about squeegees."

That's what you'll say.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 11:48:52 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Congratulations in order

I agree 100 %. The site is nice and well maintained. I am glad that 
there is someone like Bryceman that would take the time to run such a 
page. Thanks for all the help and I hope 200 comes soon.

64 442

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 12:20:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: more roadblox

> Also have on good authority that mid-Ohio law enforcement is heavy and
> unforgiving.


I used to travel through Ohio about ten years ago to visit my brother who
lived there.  He told me that the Ohio cops use a form of radar that works
while the cop car is moving.  So in addition to watching for cops on the side
of the road, you also have to watch for cops that are travelling in the
opposite direction.  Supposedly they can hit you with their moving radar,
and then turn around and pursue you.

When they catch you, try using a "statistics" defense:

"But officer, don't you know how many bittersweet-orange Cutlass
convertibles Oldsmobile made in 1971?  Surely there's a reasonable doubt as
to whether it was my car you saw, or some other car that looks like mine?!"

If you're lucky, a caravan will be passing by with one or more similar cars
in it.  You can point these out to the officer as he finishes writing your
ticket.
- -- 
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew Senko
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:22:00 -0400
From: "Terry Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Brake Line Diameter/Length

Chris Fair wrote:

> It's brake time (again) on my 98. I'll spare you the long and mostly
> uninteresting history, other than to say my adjustable proportioning
> valve is leaking (just a bit) at it's connection to the line which
> runs to the rear of the car.
>
> Does anyone know what size hardline this is for a 66 98 and what size
> fitting is standard? When I go to my parts store how many feet of this
>
> hardline should i buy? I do know I have to double flare the ends for
> safety. Just trying to do it right once and for all, uh, now.
>
> Also, I recently found (and lost) a frame in the j-yard for my 98 from
>
> a 4 door hardtop. Can anyone out there with an interchange manual tell
>
> me if the 66 98 convert. frames were the same as the 66 98 two or 4
> door hardtops? I seem to remember they were heavy duty, which to Olds
> meant a fully boxed frame, but all the 98s of this year I've come
> across have a boxed frame so I don't know what the convert difference
> might be... Any thoughts?
>
> Good tool of the week. Just bought a (whee) electric air hammer. This
> is a godsend. I always thought you had to have a compressor, but no!
> Pricey, but it changed doing the brakes on my girlfriends car from
> a multiday to a few hours job. Wow! Oh, on that topic what's the
> difference
> between air hammer sockets and regular ones? I've been using my
> regular
> ones with is and have the vaguest impression that's not a good idea...
>
> Thanks in advance!
> cf

   as far as the sockets go impact sockets usually are 6 point inside
and hardened. If you use others make sure they are good ones
ie..lifetime

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 11:28:55 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: More roadblox

> Also have on good authority that mid-Ohio law enforcement is heavy and
> unforgiving. This from a guy who travels Parkersburg/Columbus/Akron
> triangle frequently on US50 and I77. Keep yer yack boxes and radar
> detectors on high!

If you pay attention to the info on channel 19, you'll get speedtrap
info a lot sooner (_miles_ in advance) than what your radar detector
can tell you at the last minute. Been there, done that, all the way
to Florida and back.

You can also check out speedtrap information at the WWW Speedtrap
Registry at http://www.nashville.net/speedtrap/

Drive carefully!

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:10:55 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: 1966 Delta 88

I think it says on the label of the Dexron 3 fluid that it will work with any
automatic transmission produced by GM since 1949.  If you haven't changed
your fluid lately I'd get a new filter, drop the pan, and replace the filter
and fluid, as much of the fluid as will drain out.


>          Does anyone know what kind of tranny fluid I should use for my 1966
>Delta 88? Can't find Dexron anymore, only available is the Dexron 2 / Mercon
>blend or the Dexron 3 / Mercon blend. Should I use either one will a complete
>change of tranny fluid be required (including torque converter), or can I top

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 12:13:36 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Attention all 1964-65 442/Cutlass Owners...

Over the last several years, I've amassed quite a few articles,
publications, and other assorted bits of printed material relating to the
first generation 442s and their Cutlass siblings.  With the help of
Bryceman, this information is being put on his site as quickly as time
allows.  One of my current major projects is converting the entire 1965
factory assembly manual into an html file. 

All that aside, I'd like to keep a database of '64 & '65 owners (email
addresses will be fine), along with what parts they have a surplus of and
might want to sell, parts wanted, and a general source of information.

If interested, please send me an email message telling me a little about
your car(s) (pics would be cool too) and whatever else you'd like to
include.  This information will eventually turn into a site (or part of an
existing one-- interested Bryce?!). Until then, please send any info,
requests, ideas, comments etc. to:

smardale@airmail.net

Since I subscribe to two LARGE mailing lists, PLEASE start the subject off
with:  Scott--   so that I won't accidently overlook it, or delete it.

Thanks for your time!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:31:19 -0400
From: dedarnell@electro-matic.com
Subject: Re: '71 Cutlass Convt. $875 (saw in the paper this morning)

Robert Barry wrote:
>Struck me as cheap, as I saw a clapped-out '71 convertible that *sold* for
>$3500. Either something is majorly wrong (i.e. a "two-part" frame), or
>they're just trying to sell it and don't know what others are gouging..,
uh,
>selling these for.


What's a "two-part" frame????????

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:38:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Blown Head Gasket Symptomes

Hey todorovb!
     Depends on where it's blown. Sometimes you will see white smoke from the
exhaust (if it's a true dual exhaust, the smoke will come from the blown
side). This is the signature of burning anti-freeze.
     Another possible symptom you could see is anti-freeze in the crankcase.
Just take a look at the dipstick... the solution might resemble chocolate
milk.
      A compression test usually reveals the problem cylinder as it will have
a much higher number than the rest due to part of it being occupied by
anti-freeze.
       Another scenario exists when it is blown at /near an exhaust port.
This one's the easiest to find as you'll probably be able to hear it or see
the blackened area where it's blown.
                                                          Ron Forsee
                                                           65 442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:43:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: rear qtr panel for 65 Jetstar I

ok!,ok!,ok!,lisen up! there is a salvage in okla. loaded with old olds,jet
stars,88`s,98`s,ect,  ect,ect, you get the picture?,i even saw a dynammic 88
conv.  i was there today 8-1-97.  i saw cars from 59 all way up to present
day. sorry no cutlass-442,i looked.                    if you need parts
email me and i will give you his ph#.   steven. w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:47:03 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Attention all 1964-65 442/Cutlass Owners...

I have a 64 442 that has custom House of Kolors Brandy Wine Paint 
base with Deep Candy Purple and Kandy Pink flames. The car sits on 
Cragar Quick Trick Chrome Wheels and Br Goodies. It has a 350 cu 
Rocket with the Edlebrock Power Package.403 4a heads,hedders,hi po 
everything. I am in the middle of converting color photo's to Jpg's 
as we speak and will send them when I get them back. Parts extra come 
and go. I have a little network of friends that have things when I 
need them so I just let people know when I can get them parts or when 
I cant..


Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 13:56:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 RH Fender

price =75$,cond.= has rust at bottom, usual place, between door and wheel
well moulding. repairable. have two (69) cutlass-s post cars, good sheet
metal,bumpers,grills,  also have (69)  442 hood, if interested drop me a
email.   steven.     w30442cs@aol.com    thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:10:37 -0700
From: "John P. Stachler" <"jpstax@sprintmail.com"@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
Subject: Karl Aune's Doppler Effect and other minutiae

Author; Karl Aune

Greetings and Farewell.

I knew previously that I would soon lose touch with the web, and through
it, the bulk of my Oldsmobile E-buddies. I just did not expect it so
soon.

Premature, actually. We intended to cancel AOL service (billed) and
instead use one of those fifty free hour packages for the interim, but
the install program recognized my credit card and that caused all kinds
of problems. Apparently it is a policy implemented to prevent people
from using hundreds of free hours in back-to-back sessions. Well, better
I begin withdrawal now than later, while the weather is warm enough that
I can turn to Soylent Ocean Mist for solace.

Soylent and I will appear at Union, IL on Sunday, a poor substitute for
Iola (had to miss that).

I did succeed (maybe) in downloading my web page to disk (or rather, I
have a disk with a new file on it, but whether the contents are
viable...), as well as most of the image files. Gee, I hope I saved Esko
and Anneli's Niney pic, hmmmmmm. At any rate, on some future date, I
shall return to cyberspace and create an Oldsmobile-oriented home page
the likes of which the world has never seen.

Or something.

But for now my sincere thanks to Greg first of all, and also to the bulk
of the other Oldsmobile owners and Oldsgurus who have enlighened and
entertained me for so long. 

It has been real.

That is to say, if this series of events that I seem to be experience is
reality rather than a vivid hallucination suffered by a brain floating
in a jar in some laboratory. I tend to subscribe to the latter theory as
it is very comforting to write of some events as part of a bad trip.

You have already surmised that relies to this message will be fruitless.
Correct. Notes sent to me via this address will be immediately
discarded.

I will be in touch with D. Brown, C. Ruper, and to a lesser Extent Jeff
Easton and Andrew Green.

Otherwise, until next time (same bat-time, same bat-URL), farewell.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL
Member OCA

Onward.....

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:29:46 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Re: more roadblox

>I used to travel through Ohio about ten years ago to visit my brother who
>lived there.  He told me that the Ohio cops use a form of radar that works
>while the cop car is moving.  So in addition to watching for cops on the side
>of the road, you also have to watch for cops that are travelling in the
>opposite direction.  Supposedly they can hit you with their moving radar,
>and then turn around and pursue you.

This is the case in VA too.  I've personally been clocked by a cop car in
the oncoming lane.  If you look in the mirror and see a turn signal on on
the cop car start blinking you know you're gonna be talking to him soon.  So
just because the're moving, it doesn't mean they can't clock you.  Actually
I thought most troopers had this type of radar.  

>
>When they catch you, try using a "statistics" defense:
>
>"But officer,..... 
>  Surely there's a reasonable doubt as
>to whether it was my car you saw, or some other car that looks like mine?!"
>
>If you're lucky, a caravan will be passing by with one or more similar cars
>in it.  You can point these out to the officer as he finishes writing your
>ticket.

Hey! That's a great idea!  Ride in a pack of similar cars so there is some
doubt as to whether you're the speeder!

So, anyone with a bright yellow Vista Cruiser with VA antique tags wanna
caravan?......Anyone? :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 14:21:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: =?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=97=B6=FF=FF=FF=FF=90=AE=FF=FF=8B=94=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=89=B2=E1=97=8B=94=E0R=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF=FF?=

Hi,
     I don't know about a Western New York caravan but I will be leaving from
Rochester  on Tuesday with some other people. I will be trailoring my 67 442
but some are driving there cars. If you would like to join us you are
welcome. I can give you the time and meeting place if you would like to go.
 Steve
67 442
70 442
73 442
85 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
OCA 016050  
    

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 13:32:13 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: more roadblox

>>Supposedly they can hit you with their moving radar,
>>and then turn around and pursue you.
>
>This is the case in VA too.  I've personally been clocked by a cop car in
>the oncoming lane.  If you look in the mirror and see a turn signal on on
>the cop car start blinking you know you're gonna be talking to him soon.

So, many years ago when I was young and stupid (as opposed to now, when
I am... oh, never mind), I had a '78 TransAm T/A 6.6. I was having a
spirited little run down a local 4-lane one evening when I passed a cop
going the other way who promptly lit up his brake lights trying to make
a U-turn. Fortunately he had to wait for oncoming to traffic to clear
before he did. In the meantime, I spied another big fantail of Firebird
taillights up ahead, just like mine. I squirted past the other Firebird,
eased over into his lane and slowed slightly. In irritation he had to 
swing out into my old lane, at which point I let him pass me again. By 
the time the cop caught up to us, he had no idea which Firebird was the 
one he was after.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #780
********************************

