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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 18 June 1997      Volume 01 : Number 724

Re: Race
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Race
Re: Race
Re: Intrigues in stock
Re: Race
Re: Carbonator Blues!
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Uhmerrikun (WAS Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense)
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
RE: Overheating 455
Re: bucket seats
Re: Race
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Re: Race
Cars for sale
Car show in London, Ontario
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Car show in London, Ontario
Re: Carbonator Blues!
Re: Potential Attendees of IVOC meet
Re: Race
ªoldsmobile
Super 70's
Street Rods
Re: Roadster Wanted
Re[2]: Race
Re: Cars for sale
Re: Cars for sale
I need pictures for my page
SS II/III wheels
Car show in London, Ontario
RE: Roadster Wanted
Re: Ohio Turnpike
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
Legal Problems
Re: EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: engine/head id
73 Omega for sale
70 cutlass convertible
Re[2]: EFI 455 for less $$...
Re: ralley rims
Re: Race
Ignorance For Sale
Re: 73 Omega for sale
cars for sale
AC_Delco Web Chat - Warren Johnson
RE: ralley rims
unsubscribe!!!
Re: 70 cutlass convertible
FWD - Tic-Toc-Tac Repair Recomendations?
Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
455 Forsale
Re: 73 Omega for sale
Re: Legal Problems
Re: Legal Problems
Re: Legal Problems
Re: Legal Problems

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:41:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

> That's interesting. I have a 3.1 in my '92 Cutlass and I had it up to an
> honest 115 mph when the engine limited itself. I wonder why the l*mina
> is 10 mph slower?

With the advent of computer controlled engines, the implementation of top
speed governors is a very simple task.  I suspect your Cutlass might have
tires with a higher speed rating, perhaps as part of a suspension package.
An 'S' rated tire is good for 112 mph, but despite this, I've encountered
limiters set as low as 108 mph on so-equipped cars.  On the Aurora, the
top speed is set according to which options are specified; in this case,
the Autobahn package includes 'V' rated tires which can better tolerate
continuous high speed operation than the standard 'H'(?) rated tires.

Frank S. estimated a 110-115 mph top speed for the '76 Delta.  My '88
Cadillac Brougham is capable of 111 mph (2 way average) with a 140 hp 307,
and its aerodynamic efficiency is only slightly better.  That 455 Delta 88
should easily do 120+ mph if the engine is in good tune.

Kevin Wong
Toronto, Ontario

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:13:26 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

theogns wrote:
>
> So hang on here, are you saying my '70 4-4-2 with a turbo 400 is a
> disgrace? Now my '70 W-30 is a 4 speed and does not have power steering
> or power brakes or a/c. Could I say that all W-30s with these luxuries
> disgrace the W-30 name? I think not. Oldsmobile has a name, 4-4-2 as
> opposed to 442. You can look it up.
>
> Danny

Hmmm. Seems I've started a war. Okay, drop it! I'm sick of trying to
explain my point of view and explain that it is MY OPINION and that
everybody is now kicking my a** because I feel a certain way! IN MY
OPINION, THIS CAR IS NOT A 442 (or 4-4-2, however you feel like it
should be spelled)!!!! There!! We're done! NOW!

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:17:20 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

On 17 Jun 97 at 18:37, WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:

[snip of informative info on the '90s 442s against the previous 15
years]
> 442's also.  Think about it.  180 hp in a 2700lbs car with a 5spd
> with a 3:64 gear ratio.

Just to add a small point - several of the Quad442s on the list are a
little more potent  -  190bhp with a 3.91 gear ratio and Torsen limited
slip diff.

Of course, this is stock info.  Retune the fuel/air ratio a little
(with a chip) and there is about 220bhp to deal with.

Mike
'91 W-40 442
'93 W-41 SCX

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:39:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

I guess they are all different...
I'll never understand half of this stuff anyway..
My mother's 93 corsica probably can't do anymore than
about 90...nd that's got a 3.1


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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:41:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Hey, buddy calm down!  Inever said I was invulnerable.
I was just asking about what someone else said.

I know full well I'm not invulnerable, I'm just
trying
to find out as much about these cars as I can.
(since I know close to nothing)

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:07:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Intrigues in stock

> '96 Monte Carlo LS - starting to get scared...

Paul, you should wait till next year when the Intrigue should be getting a
"Short North" V6, which will displace around 3.5L and produce an estimated
220 hp.  The naturally aspirated 3800 is really a temporary solution; they
figure the typical import-minded buyer will be looking for 4 cams even
though the 3800 is a smooth, quiet, and torquey engine, perfectly up to
the task of motivating this sedan.

Kevin Wong
Toronto, Ontario

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:37:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

How big is your '76 98?
My Delta 88 is 17 feet long and just over 6 feet wide...
and it's solid steel (or whatever that really hard stuff is
that it's made of)

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:37:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Carbonator Blues!

In a message dated 97-06-17 20:40:06 EDT, you write:

> The four-barrels open and flutter slightly on idle, and it starts/idles
>  good, but no acceleration under torque!  A fast reply, with my address as
>  a CC would be appreciated, so I can drop it off tomorrow!

You might want to check the idle vacuum.  If it is low, adjust the idle
mixture screws for maximum vacuum.
Your problem might be ignition timing.  It might need more advance.
You also might want to try installing lighter centrifugal advance springs in
the distributor.  This has always helped low end power in my experiences.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 22:43:13 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 8:12 AM
>
> Mike Coccagna wrote:
> >
> >
> > BTW, is this an attack on Olds FWD cars?  Or just the 4 cyl ones?
>
> No, it's just that I think Olds made a name for it's 442 when it had an
> 8 cyl, true 4 on the floor, 4 bbls carb, and true dualie. IN MY OPINION,
> they just sort of disgraced the name. But, that is MY OPINION. I don't
> want any flames about how dumb I am because I'm not willing to accept
> change or difference. Thanx.

Then Olds also disgraced the name in '65, and in '66, and '67, and '68 and
'69 and '70 and so on.  A TH-400 was available in '65 and up 442's.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 Automatic 442

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From: Cnvrtbl442@AOL.COM
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:16:57 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

In a message dated 97-06-17 16:00:45 EDT, you write:

<< Mike Coccagna wrote:
 >
 >
 > BTW, is this an attack on Olds FWD cars?  Or just the 4 cyl ones?

 No, it's just that I think Olds made a name for it's 442 when it had an
 8 cyl, true 4 on the floor, 4 bbls carb, and true dualie. IN MY OPINION,
 they just sort of disgraced the name. But, that is MY OPINION. I don't
 want any flames about how dumb I am because I'm not willing to accept
 change or difference. Thanx.

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 Ev_Corp Main Admin.
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WOW YOU SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND YOU DON'T WANT ANY FLAMES?

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:45:14 -0300
Subject: Uhmerrikun (WAS Re: Chicken Tracks and Other Nonsense)

I really have to say Jjust a few words in response; I promise this'll be
the end of it on my part for this thread :)

> > > The last true American car was built when the last Cutlass Supreme
Classic > > > rolled off the line in 1988. > > > > And on what do you base
this?  What's your definition of a 'true' > > American car?  RWD with a V8? >
 > American=NO JAP PARTS

Um, well, I guess I'm not 100% certain, as I wasn't there when they procured
the parts :), but I don't think this was true even in 1988.  Even For the CS
Classic.  And not for a long, long time, either.  I mean, if it's an important
criteria 'n' all...

> American=Different than Japanese in styling.

Well, lessee, this one is a bit subjective, not to mention difficult to
define, especially if one assumes you're talking about the propensity of
ovals and curves in the styling of cars here in the mid to late 90s.
The first cars like this were built in 1984.  In the US. And were called
the Taurus and the Sable.

Now as far as cars that look like nothing else made on the planet; well,
there's quite a few American contenders being built now, or will be in
the very near future -- The Caddy Seville and DeVille Concours, The Viper,
the Prowler, and the C5 Vette all immediately come to mind.  True, none of
them are made by Olds, with the possible exception of the Aurora.

> American=While offering compacts, sedans and luxury models according to
> today's standards for the broader market, also not forgetting their proud
> performance heritage by offering models that suit the enthusiast; no
> unibody, all steel body shell, rear wheel drive, 8 cylinders, etc.

Well, they stopped making the -- I know I'll get in trouble with this one,
especially with Charley :) -- Impala SS last year, which met *all* of your
criteria.  But I'd argue that each of the Big Three offer one or more
cars that suit the enthusiast.  More so in fact than in 1988.  Definitely
more so than in, say, 1978 :)

Just to put everything in context, concern for foreign-content in products
has been in the minds of Americans only for, say, a coupla hundred years :)

George Washington, as president, made moves to bolster the American
apparel industry, over concern the folks preferred shirts manufactured with
cloth made in Britain.

On the other side of the coin, there was also some concern over outrageous
tariffs on foreign beverages; you know, like tea.... ;)

Tim (Born on the 186th Anniversary of the Boston Tea Party) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:45:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Matt Cremean wrote:

> > or power brakes or a/c. Could I say that all W-30s with these luxuries
> > disgrace the W-30 name? I think not. Oldsmobile has a name, 4-4-2 as
> > opposed to 442. You can look it up.
> >
> > Danny
>
> Hmmm. Seems I've started a war. Okay, drop it!


OK! Finally!  Everyone just cool off and chill.  Everyone has an
opinion, and they are just that.  We are digressing from the original
intent of this posting list.  Let's all have a beer, and get back to
wrenching and polishing our Rockets.

Funny though, I looked it up.....I didn't see any dashes between the
numbers on my '71 442 fenders, trunk, glovebox or grill.(heh heh)
Seriously, they did refer to it as a "442" option in the '85 Service
manual and on my dealer order form.....without the dashes.  Either way,
remember it comes up as a perfect 10!

NO MORE OF THIS! PLEASE!
Mike

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From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:22:07 -0300
Subject: RE: Overheating 455

If your friend took the time and expense to install a huffer on his 455,
he should
have taken the time to research the repercussions.  Blown, heavily
worked
engines are not daily drivers, nor do they make great cruisin' wheels.
All the
blown engines I've ever seen were either at the strip or parked next to
the
trailer that towed them in.

My advice-ditch the blower and lower the compression ratio.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme

>----------
>From: SRB442@aol.com[SMTP:SRB442@aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, 1997 June, 17 20:38 14:21
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Overheating 455
>
>Hi All,
>        A friend of mine recently had a blown 455 olds motor built for his 65
>442. It is a hampton 6-71 running 8 to 1 compression and mild cam. He is
>having trouble with this engine overheating in a very shot time (6-8 miles).
>It has a new waterpump and I asked him to recheck it to make sure the
>impeller is not freewheeling at times. He had a new radiator made for it I
>believe it is a 5 core (didn't know they made them that big) got a 160 degree
>stat in it. I live about 70 miles from him so haven't looked at the car my
>self. Do blown cars make that much extra heat?. What else could he check
>before he puts the car on a trailor and heads to the guy who built the motor
>(about an 8 hour drive). Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. Steve
>1967 442
>1970 442
>1973 442
>1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
>
>

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From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 08:59:14 -0300
Subject: Re: bucket seats

> Did you miss any on that list??  How about another Cutlass??!!  I believe
> that
> the swap you want is pretty staight forward, but I don't know exactly
> because my
> '85 Cutlass came with buckets and a console. I think that if you take all
> the
> mounting brackets and tracks from the donor car you won't have a problem
> and the
> different "brands" are pretty close to Olds seats.
>         I think Charley Buehner has mix and matched seats in his Cutlass,
> perhaps
> he can help you more.
>
> I did the guage swap in my Cutlass back in December and it is basically a
> straight forward swap.  The most difficult part is rearranging the wires in
> the
> harness.  I can mail you a copy of Tom Millard's directions on how to do
> that if
> you like.  e-mail me your snail mail address if you want them.
>
> Hope this helps somewhat.
>
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> 102724.635@compuserve.com
>
>
Bill thanks for the info. I left out another Cutlass it seemed so
obvious. As for the guages if you say it's easy other than rearranging
the wires in the harness I'll give it a shot I just didn't want to run
into some wierd almost unsolveable problems if i do I'll let you know.
thanks again


Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme
(under construction)

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:26:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Jonathan Look wrote:
>
>         My dad once told me that there was no v6 that could
> ever take a v8 in a race. (unless someone had one of those
> super modified cars)
>         How much truth is there to that?
>
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> *       There's no easy way out, givin' in can be wrong.        *
> *****************************************************************
Tell him to go watch a stock GN quietly waste most stock and modified
V8s at the dragstrip.

Daren

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From: Daren & Laurie <daren@revealed.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:21:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Mike Coccagna wrote:
> >
> >
> > BTW, is this an attack on Olds FWD cars?  Or just the 4 cyl ones?
>
> No, it's just that I think Olds made a name for it's 442 when it had an
> 8 cyl, true 4 on the floor, 4 bbls carb, and true dualie. IN MY OPINION,
> they just sort of disgraced the name. But, that is MY OPINION. I don't
> want any flames about how dumb I am because I'm not willing to accept
> change or difference. Thanx.
>
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean

Like the '72 442 I had that came with a 350 2bbl. auto single exhaust. I
had the dealer order form with the vinª and the options ordered so I
know it was original. I remember in the early '90s seeing and tv ad for
the fwd 442s that compared them to a '66 or'67 claimed it was just as
quick but got better gas mileage. I agree with you I'd rather have the
gas guzzler. I thought only trucks came with dualies?

Daren

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From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:19:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Since we have now established what seems to be an overrated value for my 76
Delta 88 maybe I should put it up for sale....4SALE=455 GP KILLER? hey make
me an offer.....Tim


1968 442 Cnvrtbl (Toro 455)
1976 Delta 88 (stock 455)
1987 Buick Regal T Type ( just a 6 popper)

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:30:40 -0300
Subject: Cars for sale

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1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 750K miles, $10,000, San Angelo, Texas =
Day: (915) 942-0149  Eve: (915) 942-0149
Mail: aaa598@ramail.angelo.edu

1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass, 81K miles, $7,500, boston, Massachusetts
Day: (617) 629-5306  Eve: (617) 299-4955  Mail: rich@qti.net

If you'd like to see the items we found for you, use this link:

  http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?58333+16-JUN-97



Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past

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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 10:15:37 -0300
Subject: Car show in London, Ontario

Greetings!

The Oldsmobile Club of Canada is holding their Summer Nationals at Fanshawe
Park in London, Ontario on the weekend of July 12th & 13th.  Anyone in
Canada who is not a member should join, it's a great source for parts and a
way to meet other like-minded people in your area.

For more info call the club president, Bob Casey, at: (519) 632-7501

Anyone living in the Toronto area who is interested in going, please give
me a call at: (416) 463-8246 or Email be at the address below; it would be
cool if a bunch of us made the road trip out there together.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at:
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:02:39 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-06-17 14:55:06 EDT, you write:
>
> << 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme >>
> OK, tell me the 73 was a performance car.  "NOT".  In the quarter mile the
> Quad 442 would have a better e.t. and mph than the 73 442 or H/O with the
> 455.

Way, kid! I DO love it when people trash my car! Of course it will beat
it! On an Intake vs. cid basis, the Calais whomps on my 350! I'm only
saying that the name is not true to this car as it once used to be. This
Calais does not have 4 on the floor, nor does it have true dual exhaust,
which is why I'm so damn flabbergasted!
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From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:10:03 -0300
Subject: Car show in London, Ontario

Greetings!

The Oldsmobile Club of Canada is holding their Summer Nationals at Fanshawe
Park in London, Ontario on the weekend of July 12th & 13th.  Anyone in
Canada who is not a member should join, it's a great source for parts and a
way to meet other like-minded people in your area.

For more info call the club president, Bob Casey, at: (519) 632-7501

Anyone living in the Toronto area who is interested in going, please give
me a call at: (416) 463-8246 or Email be at the address below; it would be
cool if a bunch of us made the road trip out there together.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at:
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:42:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Carbonator Blues!

Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>
> The four-barrels open and flutter slightly on idle,

If this is a Qjet and you're referring to the "damper"(can't remember
the correct term) over the secondaries, it should be firmly closed at
idle.  See the FAQ(or Doug Roe's excellent book) for adjustment
instructions.

Patrick
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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 09:58:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Potential Attendees of IVOC meet

From: KarlAunan@aol.com

>Will there be anything minutely reminiscent of a swap meet there? At least
>someone selling Oldsmobile Infernal logo key fobs?

Not sure.  This will be the first one I've attended.  I suspect that
its just a show though, unless somebody is selling out of their trunk...

>And perhaps I can convince/convert some non-Oldsmobilers ...
>(see also documentation on T.H.O.R.*!)

> * = "The Holy Order of Rocketeers"

:-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed

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From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:10:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

Matt Cremean wrote:
>
> Jonathan Look wrote:
> >
> > Here's a little puzzle for you car experts.
> >
> >         Picture 2 cars:
> >
> >         A 1993 Grand Prix  3.1 V
> >                                 V6.
> >
> >                 and
> >
> >         A 1976 Oldsmobile Delta 88   455 v8
> >
> >         Based soley upon the car and the engines, and assuming
> > both cars are in relatively good condition, in a 1 mile race,
> > who would win?
I think it's fairly easy, the GP would smoke it in the quarter mile,
half mile is hard to say but given a mile, if the Olds 455 is not too
tired (age/wear) it would most  certainly catch and kill the 3.1.  I've
owned 2 3.1's, a 95 GA and a 95 CS as well as 2 455's 1 70 GS 455 covert
and a 70 GS Stage 1.  Granted, a 76 Olds ANYTHING is not in the same
league, but it's still got the cubes and secondarys and should catch and
pass the weaker engine in such a long distance race. (IF it's tuned, has
any rings left etc. =) )

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 23:28:20 -0300
Subject: ªoldsmobile

Well it seems that we all gave up on ªoldsmobile chat?  I'm still there
almost every night from 6-9ish PST if anyone cares to show up.  Well,
that's about all I have to say then, I'll shaddup now.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 02:01:04 -0300
Subject: Super 70's

It's Super '70's week on TNT and the second movie tonight - Telecom,
Telefon? - showed a first generation Toronado in the background.  It'll
(only) be worth it to watch these movies for the cars featured & shown~!!
Well, I guess on the Poncho fans can get riled up over Smokey & the Bandit
Parts I-IX or whatever it was.

Just my .0002 cents worth of info -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 00:58:45 -0300
Subject: Street Rods

Why are there no
>Olds street rods around??

We have a few in the Southern California Olds Club Chapter (a great '38 or
'36 - poor memory) but I've seen them out rarely even to our events.

Didn't realize that Pomona was the show this weekend - glad I didn't go - I
like the open 'free for all' selling area.

Maybe when we have our meet in Sept, in your area, you can come out & meet
us all.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 01:10:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Roadster Wanted

Keep your eye out on the Auto Trader & Recycler On Line listings, there are
a lot of good Oldsmobiles running through these places.

Any good search engine can help you locate them.

Good luck -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:31:41 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Race

Excellent! I brough the A&B notebook with, so maybe there will be a posting
of their Olds inventory today.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

  Hey! I finally got the choke properly tuned on my carb. When I started my
car, it didn't die! What a revelation!

------------------------------

From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 07:29:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Cars for sale

Etzel Bobby wrote:
>
> Classifieds2000 sent me the following:
>
> 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 750K miles, $10,000, San Angelo, Texas Day:
(915) 942-0149  Eve: (915) 942-0149 > Mail: aaa598@ramail.angelo.edu

What the? *750k* miles? That must be a typo. I don't think any car has
ever survived THAT long. If it is only 75k, it must be great if he wants
10k.

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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:16:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Cars for sale

Bobby and whoever else cares,

The Trader magazines are online (Old Car Trader, C*rvette Trader, Boat
Trader, etc.)  If you go to the Collector Car Search, you'll find a whole
BUNCHA Oldsmobiles... quite often at much more reasonable prices ;)  The
addy is:

www.traderonline.com (I think)

- ----------
From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Cars for sale
Date: Wednesday, June 18, 1997 6:30 AM

Classifieds2000 sent me the following:

1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, 750K miles, $10,000, San Angelo, Texas
Day: (915) 942-0149  Eve: (915) 942-0149
Mail: aaa598@ramail.angelo.edu

1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass, 81K miles, $7,500, boston, Massachusetts
Day: (617) 629-5306  Eve: (617) 299-4955  Mail: rich@qti.net

If you'd like to see the items we found for you, use this link:

  http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?58333+16-JUN-97



Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past

- ----------

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:16:05 -0300
Subject: I need pictures for my page

What about some pictures of a '70 Olds with a 425 all decked out?

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:58:56 -0300
Subject: SS II/III wheels

Can anyone id these SS II/III wheels? Are any of these for a specific model
or pretty much generic? I think the second set of numbers is some sort of
manufacturing date/time code, any ideas on decoding those? How about no
stamping on a 15x7 w/rounded corner inserts?

Marked on inside diameter of rim (where hub or drum sits when mounted on
car), push on center cap, sharp corner inserts:
   13x5 1/2 JB
  1   4   83   Z   B

Marked on outside diameter of rim (tire would hide stamping), rounded
corner inserts:
   15x7 JJ
  D   2   10   8

   15x7 JJ
  H   2   13   8

   15x7 JJ
  K    2   29   10

   15x7 JJ
  L   1   19   3

   15x7 JJ
  U   1   31   10

   15x7 JJ
  U   2   18   1

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         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:35:38 -0300
Subject: Car show in London, Ontario

I live in the Kitchener area and am considering taking the trip up to
London as well.  I've got a '70 Cutlass Supreme with a 425.  I'll let
you know for sure if I am going or not within the next few days.  I
also know someone with a '70 442 w-30 who is very likely to motor on
down to London as well.  Perhaps we could take a trip to sparta
afterwards and show those Bow-Tie's what Olds is Made of! :)
Don&Mat Nadrofsky

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

------------------------------

From: Kevin Cheek <cheek@freegate.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:14:51 -0300
Subject: RE: Roadster Wanted

Thanks, Lisa.

Is the Auto Trader & Recycler Online a www site or is this a generic
descriptor for category?

Kevin Cheek

- ----------
From: James Thingwold[SMTP:jht@exo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 9:10 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Roadster Wanted

Keep your eye out on the Auto Trader & Recycler On Line listings, there are
a lot of good Oldsmobiles running through these places.

Any good search engine can help you locate them.

Good luck -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '69 Toronado (arriving in August)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:04:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Ohio Turnpike

On Tue, 17 Jun 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> All,
>
> Will probably be travelling the Ohio Turnpike to go to Lansing in
> August.  I've heard the construction on this route is murder.  Anybody
> on the list have some first-hand experience with this?  Any idea if they
> might be finished by mid-August?  Anyone have a number to reach the Ohio
> DOT?
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> plh@nbn.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>
Take a look at http://www.ohioturnpike.org/conmap.html for a complete
description (including dates) of all Ohio Turnpike construction information


Al V.

  http://www.infinet.com/~avar



------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 12:50:23 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

At 09:02 PM 6/17/97 -0300, Matt Cremean wrote:
>WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> In a message dated 97-06-17 14:55:06 EDT, you write:
>>
>> << 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme >>
>> OK, tell me the 73 was a performance car.  "NOT".  In the quarter mile the
>> Quad 442 would have a better e.t. and mph than the 73 442 or H/O with the
>> 455.
>
>Way, kid! I DO love it when people trash my car! Of course it will beat
>it! On an Intake vs. cid basis, the Calais whomps on my 350! I'm only
>saying that the name is not true to this car as it once used to be. This
>Calais does not have 4 on the floor, nor does it have true dual exhaust,
>which is why I'm so damn flabbergasted!

Hehe, I like all this stuff. You guys are hard on each other's Olds. Geez
even my Chevy doesn't get bashed on like this here ;-) For the record my 80
442 isn't a "real" 4-4-2 either. It is a 4-3-1, hence I am going to change
the badges to reflect that...hehe ;-)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (Olds442@Rocketship.com)
93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:02:37 -0300
Subject: Legal Problems

I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in
my car ('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts.  This is in
California, so I don't know how different other states laws are.
Several different laws have been passed regarding this problem, from a
simple fine, to a fine for the passanger; but now it seems it is up to
the officer to decide who gets the ticket.  And now it seems it is a
moving violation and a point on your record.
I need to know if an Oldsmobile with a bench seat is considered a 6
passanger car or not.  I need to know if it is legal for me to have a
passanger in the center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no
seatbelt is provided.  Any information will help greatly.
Thanks
Brad
'70 442

------------------------------

From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:04:38 -0300
Subject: Re: EFI 455 for less $$...

Well, couldn't you just size the injectors up if you wanted more fuel?
 I dno't know a lot about fuel injection, but from what I've heard,
changing the injector size regulates the amount of fuel in your car.
I'm waiting for them to come out with a Digital Fuel Injection System.
  I sounds like it really kicks a**. But for now, I'm a solid Carb
Man.
(Oh, the fastest Street Car ran a 6.96 with a DFI system on it)
(Mike Morans '93 "Casper" Camaro)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

------------------------------

From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:58:26 -0300
Subject: Re: engine/head id

Karl, I found out that we can use the Edelbrock Performer-Plus cam in
our engines.  It distorts the Cam specs a little but it does not
damage anything in the engine.  I've got the same engine as the one
mentioned.  I would take it for sure. If you put an engine like a 425
into say, an '85 cutlass, and modify it with the Edelbrock goodies,
bored 0.030 and some headers, the car should dip into the mid 11's!!
One of my friends has a cutlass like that and he is able to jerk the
front tires on launch (with slicks).  Unfortunately, in order for the
car to handle it you do have to set-up some frame ties, or you'll end
up with a twister frame. <wince> Anyways, just thought I'd let yah
know!

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

------------------------------

From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:13:50 -0300
Subject: 73 Omega for sale

Speaking of Omega's, a buddy of mine is a Class A mechanic for and
Oldsmobile Dealership.  Well, he used to have an Olds Omega with a
455!.  He threw on an Edelbrock Intake, Holley 800 cfm dbl pumper, a
Crane Cam and Over bored it 0.030. He also have Roller rockers and
machined the block.  Anyways he had the car Pulling the front street
tires in FIRST GEAR with just a punch of the throttle.  He would
bounce the car up and down like one of those loweriders just with
engine power!  I'm tellin' yah, it made my head spin.  He never had
the car at the track since he twisted it all to hell with that torque,
 but he estimated a goo 11 flat out of it, if it would hook(which it
wouldn't with anything less than funny car meats).

P.S. A tip when dropping the 455 into an Omega.  You have to ben the
drivers side header or when the engine torques going around a turn,
you will suddenly loose all steering capability.  Believe me, its
scary!!


____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

------------------------------

From: dmccain@transcard.com (David Mccain)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 13:20:22 -0300
Subject: 70 cutlass convertible

I have a chance to buy a 70 cutlass convertible. One owner, blue with
white top and white interior. 122k engine rebuilt at 100k. needs a top
and some interior work. body is perfect. Always been garaged, hasn't
been started in over a year. How much is this car worth, how much should
I offer? HELP!

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:36:22 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: EFI 455 for less $$...

Here's another, but don't know if they are less $$$:

www.force-efi.com

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
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From: "Blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:03:48 -0300
Subject: Re: ralley rims

In an effort to help the new folks identify their wheels (since this seems
to be a FAQ), I've decided to create a page that identifies all the
different variations of the SS wheels.  But I'm going to need your help.  I
need lots of pictures and information.  I'm looking for straight on, large,
clear pictures of each type (SSI, SSII, & SSIII) and variations of each
(H/O, all chrome, trim rings, etc.)  I have an SSII 14x7 w/trim ring & bolt
on center cap, and an SSI 14x7 w/trim ring & bolt on center cap that I can
take pictures of.  Anyone else want to pitch in on this project and send me
some pictures of the other types?  You can send them via e-mail to:
blaines@strata3d.com

or via s-mail to:

Blaine Sanders
20 W. 200 N.
Washington, UT  84780

I will scan them and send them back if you want 'em.


- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: ralley rims
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 7:20 AM
>
> Yeah, speaking of these rims, can anybody tell me what kind they are?
> I've asked numerous people, but nobody can give me a straight answer!
> "Yeah, they're rallye rims" "Stock mags". Duh! But what kind? SSI? SSII?
> SSIII (most likeley not)? Somebody please reply! Thanx in advance.
>
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> Ev_Corp Main Admin.
> delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
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> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************

------------------------------

From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:31:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Race

>I think it's fairly easy, the GP would smoke it in the quarter mile,
>half mile is hard to say but given a mile, if the Olds 455 is not too
>tired (age/wear) it would most  certainly catch and kill the 3.1.  I've
>owned 2 3.1's, a 95 GA and a 95 CS as well as 2 455's 1 70 GS 455 covert
>and a 70 GS Stage 1.  Granted, a 76 Olds ANYTHING is not in the same
>league, but it's still got the cubes and secondarys and should catch and
>pass the weaker engine in such a long distance race. (IF it's tuned, has
>any rings left etc. =) )




Me and the GP both agreed he'd smoke on the quarter anyway:)
my car is just to heavy to start out fast.

And mine is in great condition.  Only 72,000 miles on it,
and it runs fine.

The only thing is, (i don't even know if it's a problem or not)
is that the tires don't seem to squeel all that well.  I don't do this
very often, but I've tried it a few times and a lot of my friends
say it doesn't squeel the way a 455 should.

All I can think of is that the acceleration is so bad it
doesn't jump again fast enough to squeel.


- --
*****************************************************************
There's no easy way out, there's no shortcut home,
*There's no easy way out, givin' in can be wrong.        *
*****************************************************************

------------------------------

From: Jar Lyons <jarl@xactlabs.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 14:43:57 -0300
Subject: Ignorance For Sale

So what the hell is a 'bowtie'?


- --
Have you backed up your data today?
Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com

Jar Lyons
jarl@atrieva.com
Atrieva Corporation  (www.atrieva.com)
600 University Street, Suite 911
Seattle, WA  98101
Voice: (206) 749-2914,
Fax:   (206) 382-6615
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
                       455 Rocket Powered
                'How fast do you want to go today?'
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:54:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 73 Omega for sale

At 02:13 PM 6/18/97 -0300, MAT M NADROFSKY wrote:
>Speaking of Omega's, a buddy of mine is a Class A mechanic for and
>Oldsmobile Dealership.  Well, he used to have an Olds Omega with a
>455!.  He threw on an Edelbrock Intake, Holley 800 cfm dbl pumper, a
>Crane Cam and Over bored it 0.030. He also have Roller rockers and
>machined the block.  Anyways he had the car Pulling the front street
>tires in FIRST GEAR with just a punch of the throttle.  He would
>bounce the car up and down like one of those loweriders just with
>engine power!  I'm tellin' yah, it made my head spin.  He never had
>the car at the track since he twisted it all to hell with that torque,
> but he estimated a goo 11 flat out of it, if it would hook(which it
>wouldn't with anything less than funny car meats).

Did he have subframe connectors welded in? Kinda asking for trouble if you
don't stiffen the frame with that power. I see a few Mustangs around here
pulling the front wheels on occasion. Really cool!
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (Olds442@Rocketship.com)
93 Camaro Z/28...........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 15:56:35 -0300
Subject: cars for sale

>From the SE Chicago, NW Indiana "Bargin Finder":

'83 H/O, 85K, great cond., new grill & exhaust, lots of paper work,
original stereo $5000 (219) 464 0775

>From SE Chicago, NW Indiana "The Shopper":
'72 Cutlass 350 Rocket convertible, auto, power win, black interior $5100
(708) 502 9270


David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
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From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:59:04 -0300
Subject: AC_Delco Web Chat - Warren Johnson

Here's som SPAM I got that might interest others.  No real OLD content,
but GM related.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Subject: From the ACDelco On The Edge Webmaster
  Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 13:39:03 -0500
  From: ACDelco Webmaster <acdelco@idc.eds.com>
    To: acdelco@idc.eds.com


Dear Edgers:

While you've been busy living your life, we've been hard at work,
updating
ACDelco's On The Edge Web site (http://www.acdelco.com) to make it more
useful and interesting for you. And, we wanted to let you know about
some of those
changes.

For example, for those of you who are motorsports fans, check our
section
on auto racing. We've completely revamped the pages on NASCAR, the
American
Speed Association (ASA) ACDelco Challenge Series, the National Hot Rod
Association (NHRA=AE), the International Race of Champions (IROC) and
Legends
Cars racing. We tell you all about each type of racing, including when
and
where the races take place. You'll find all of these pages under the
"Sports Page" heading at On The Edge.

Other sections we've updated and revised include:
* The BASSMasters=AE Fishing page (including information about the
ACDelco-sponsored BASS Masters Classic=AE event).
* The Women's Professional Golf page (we've added new information about
ACDelco-sponsored LPGA=AE duffer Amy Read and the LPGA tour schedule).
* The History Book page (we've added some new information about
ACDelco's
intriguing past, as well as some cool photos).
* The Hot-Air Ballooning page (we've added the new ACDelco Hot-Air
Balloon
schedule as well as new information about ACDelco pilot Jon Thompson).

As we do each month, we've added some interesting new items to the
"Braking" News section (short news pieces about current events related
to
ACDelco) as well, such as news about Pro Stock driver Warren Johnson's
amazing 200.13-mph record.

By the way, don't miss Warren in a live chat at On The Edge on June 17
(8
to 9 p.m., EDT). Check out the "Celebrity Appearances" section of the
site
for more chat details.

So, stop by On The Edge and see the changes we've made. And, if you like
what you see, or you've got a suggestion on how we could improve the
site,
visit our site survey and let us know your thoughts. Also, stay tuned:
We've got lots more changes planned.

Hope to see you at On The Edge.

Thank you!

ACDelco Webmaster
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
- --=20

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:05:38 -0300
Subject: RE: ralley rims

Sorry I don't have any pictures to send, but Year One has a great section =
on wheels. They provide a lot of information you could use. There are =
pictures and tables also. If you want I can send you a copy of the 4 =
pages from Year One by mail. All I have is the SSI 14X7 that you have =
already.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Wed, Jun 18, 1997 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: ralley rims
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

In an effort to help the new folks identify their wheels (since this =
seems
to be a FAQ), I've decided to create a page that identifies all the
different variations of the SS wheels.  But I'm going to need your help.  =
I
need lots of pictures and information.  I'm looking for straight on, =
large,
clear pictures of each type (SSI, SSII, & SSIII) and variations of each
(H/O, all chrome, trim rings, etc.)  I have an SSII 14x7 w/trim ring & =
bolt
on center cap, and an SSI 14x7 w/trim ring & bolt on center cap that I =
can
take pictures of.  Anyone else want to pitch in on this project and send =
me
some pictures of the other types?  You can send them via e-mail to:
blaines@strata3d.com

or via s-mail to:

Blaine Sanders
20 W. 200 N.
Washington, UT  84780

I will scan them and send them back if you want 'em.


- ----------
> From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: ralley rims
> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 1997 7:20 AM
>
> Yeah, speaking of these rims, can anybody tell me what kind they are?
> I've asked numerous people, but nobody can give me a straight answer!
> "Yeah, they're rallye rims" "Stock mags". Duh! But what kind? SSI? =
SSII?
> SSIII (most likeley not)? Somebody please reply! Thanx in advance.
>
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> Ev_Corp Main Admin.
> delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
> +=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D
> CreamerSoft=A9 Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
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> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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From: dmccain@transcard.com (David Mccain)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 16:30:39 -0300
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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:31:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 cutlass convertible

At 01:20 PM 6/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a chance to buy a 70 cutlass convertible. One owner, blue with
>white top and white interior. 122k engine rebuilt at 100k. needs a top
>and some interior work. body is perfect. Always been garaged, hasn't
>been started in over a year. How much is this car worth, how much should
>I offer? HELP!

Car sounds pretty.

I would guess that it is worth between $4000 and $6000, based on the Old
Cars Price Guide.

What is the asking price?  If there isn't one, offer him $2000 and see what
happens.


Dan



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Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:35:49 -0300
Subject: FWD - Tic-Toc-Tac Repair Recomendations?

Got this from my web site.  Reply to this person privately in addition
to the group if possible, they aren't members of the newsgroup.  Thanks
==========================================================
>Subject: 442 clock-tach
>  Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 18:43:58 -0500
>  From: Nelda Fleharty <fleharty@esu9.esu9.k12.ne.us>
>    To: brad442@erols.com
>
>I would appreciate some help with a little problem that I have:  is
>there anyone in particular that you would reccommend to restore a
>tic-toc-tac for my 1970 442???  Year One advertises such a service,
>but I just think I should be able to do a little better price than the
>$350 or so that they advertise.  I would really appreciate any info
>that you could provide  Thank you.  Dennis
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:42:40 -0300
Subject: Re: 442? Naise, Try 541!

In a message dated 97-06-18 12:19:18 EDT, you write:

<< Just to add a small point - several of the Quad442s on the list are a
 little more potent  -  190bhp with a 3.91 gear ratio and Torsen limited
 slip diff.
  >>
Yea, the W-41 Quad 442 had the 190 hp engine, the standard Quad 442 had the
180 Hp engine with said above gear ratios. Cant exlude the SCX either

W MACHINES

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:57:58 -0300
Subject: 455 Forsale

FORSALE 455 CI engine in Michigan. What it is,
455 bored .030 over with TRW 2323F pistons.  Its a 70 block with C cast
heads. Crank is a Nodular iron that has been cross-drilled and chamfered.
 Piston rods have been shot peened and polished, new cam bearings, Lunati 292
Cam with Edlebrock
double roller timing chain.  For details call Kenny at 313 359-4826,
This man has lost his job and now cant afford to put the enigne in his
Cutlass.
Its fresh and hasnt even been fired yet.  Wants to start at 2500.00 price
range and go from there.  Also has new flywheel and B&M stall torque
converter.
One more thing, has a Torker intake that has been matched ported to the
heads.

W MACHINES.

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:58:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 73 Omega for sale

FWIW Dept.
There is a fellow that runs an Omega with a 468 (455 bored out) at the
local dragstrip.  The car runs on leaf springs with traction bars, 10 or
12 inch slicks, it is not tubbed, and has subframe connectors.  It runs
in the mid 7s (1/8 mile).  I do not know much else about the car other
than he has been racing it for 10 years that I know of.  It seems to be
a healthy big block but nothing radical.  Mid 7s in the 1/8 should be
mid 10s in the quarter, give or take a few tenths.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: bu343@yfn.ysu.edu (Jonathan Look)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:58:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

Well, here in maine it's a law that you HAVE to wear a seatbelt.
If there's no seatbelt in a certain spot, you shouldn't have that
extra person in your car.
It's always the drivers fault, too.  So in Maine if
you really hate someone and he gets pulled over, just unbuckel our
seatbelt and he's screwed.

Stupid Maine laws.


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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:47:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

At 01:02 PM 6/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in
>my car ('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts.  This is in
>California, so I don't know how different other states laws are.
>Several different laws have been passed regarding this problem, from a
>simple fine, to a fine for the passanger; but now it seems it is up to
>the officer to decide who gets the ticket.  And now it seems it is a
>moving violation and a point on your record.
>I need to know if an Oldsmobile with a bench seat is considered a 6
>passanger car or not.  I need to know if it is legal for me to have a
>passanger in the center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no
>seatbelt is provided.  Any information will help greatly.
>Thanks
>Brad
>'70 442

Brad,

I'm gonna guess you're gonna come up short on this one.  I'm sure the law
states that every passenger in the car must be belted.  If there is no
belt, the seat should not be occupied.  Your claim that the center front
passenger doesn't need to wear a belt because the center front seat doesn't
have a belt is no good because A) you could put one in if you want to use
it as a passenger seat, and B) you KNEW that there was no belt there and
therefore should have known not put a person there.

I'll bet the judge says to you to put in a third belt in the front if you
want to put a passenger there.



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1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 21:29:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

Brad Bowles wrote:
>
> I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.

Bummer.  You should try to be more fair when moving.

> I need to know if an Oldsmobile with a bench seat is considered a 6
> passanger car or not.

Generally, yes.  Does the owners manual say anything?

> I need to know if it is legal for me to have a passanger in the
> center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no seatbelt is provided.

Highly state specific.  What year is the car.  I'm not even required to
have belts in the Toronado here in Florida.  Does the state law require a
retrofit is it wasn't original equipment?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 1997 17:49:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Legal Problems

At 01:02 PM 6/18/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I go to court tomorow on an unfair moving violation.  I had 6 people in
>my car ('70 442 with bench seat) and only 5 seat belts.  This is in
>California, so I don't know how different other states laws are.
>Several different laws have been passed regarding this problem, from a
>simple fine, to a fine for the passanger; but now it seems it is up to
>the officer to decide who gets the ticket.  And now it seems it is a
>moving violation and a point on your record.
>I need to know if an Oldsmobile with a bench seat is considered a 6
>passanger car or not.  I need to know if it is legal for me to have a
>passanger in the center/front seat not wearing a seatbealt it no
>seatbelt is provided.  Any information will help greatly.
>Thanks
>Brad
>'70 442
>
Brad

        ALL A-body cars with bench seats should have came with 6 sets of
seat belts. They ARE considered 6 passenger vehichles. If yours doesn't have
a center seat beat in the front someone has altered the car. ALL of my cars
that I've had with bench seats came with a center front seat belt. Now this
may not help you get out of the ticket, but it should also inform the police
officer that stoped you to think a little bit. Bucket seat cars were listed
as 5 passenger vehicles. Hope some of this helps. Check out a 70 sales
broucher. It shows the same thing.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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