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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 5 June 1997       Volume 01 : Number 708

Rocket talk
Re: 307 TBI
Re: 307 TBI
Re: More Parts For Sale
Re: VIN ª question
Driveshafts
Re: Driveshaft length
Re[2]: Ram-air setup
Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing
Re: VIN plate, parts needed
Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs
Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
Re: 307 TBI
Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing
Re: Oldsmobile confusion
61 98 For Sale
Re: Super cars unltd.
Re: More Parts For Sale - Freon Replacement
Re: Cam Question for 350
Re: Driveshafts
Re: Re[2]: Ram-air setup
Report: Berejik's Sunday Show
Re: Super cars unltd.
Etzel Bobby, messages from
Re: Super cars unltd.
1964 Cutlass backup light
Re: Ram-air setup
69 442/Hurst Trunk Moldings
Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing
Re: Master Cylinder
Save a '69 H/O and my sanity!
Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing
Toro Virus has **NOTHING** on This One!!!!
61 Olds F/S in North Central Montana
Re: Save a '69 H/O and my sanity!
75 cutlass for sale
RE: Etzel Bobby, messages from
Re: 61 98 For Sale
Help! Trying to find Ring and Pinion for '70 442 W30 4spd
RE: Save a '69 H/O and my sanity!
Carb Question
Re: 75 cutlass for sale
Re: 1964 Cutlass backup light
Re: 61 98 For Sale
88 in the weeds
1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:29:35 -0300
Subject: Rocket talk

Hi All,
   I am typing this letter to see if there has been much activity on the
olds chat room the last few nights. I was also wondering if anyone was
going to get on the chat room on Thursday night around 8:30 to 9:00 PM
CST? I have been on a couple times and seems to work pretty good. Would
be nice to see several people on the chat room who have not been on
before.

Thanks
Tom Williams
70 W-31

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From: "SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK" <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:09:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 307 TBI

Tom- I thought the last carbed GM was the 305 in the 88 Monte Carlo.
I thought the 307 Olds's in the Cadillacs were TBI'ed?? No?
I never knew the carbs went all the way to 90.







=============================================================================
Frank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon HL sedan..dohc muffler..K&N drop in..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 15:41:10 -0300
Subject: Re: 307 TBI

Frank Szymkowski Sez:

>
> Tom- I thought the last carbed GM was the 305 in the 88 Monte Carlo.
> I thought the 307 Olds's in the Cadillacs were TBI'ed?? No?
> I never knew the carbs went all the way to 90.

Whelp... FWIW, my '88 Caddy Brougham with a 307 was carbed.

BTW Frank, do have relatives in Chicopee, MA? :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:49:10 -0300
Subject: Re: More Parts For Sale

At 10:35 AM 6/4/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Dear Jim,
>On the mirrors, is this for the cable or the mirror?? I need the
>cable...
>
>Rosemary
>1972 Olds 442
>Arkansas
>
Rosemary,

        These are the complet set of mirrors. The cables are basically non
existant.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32
72 442 (350)
86 Ninety Eight
94 Cutlass Supreme
96 C-1500

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 16:57:08 -0300
Subject: Re: VIN ª question

At 11:07 AM 6/4/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Can anyone give me some information on my VIN. the last six numbers are
>290028? When was this built, is it early or late model year? Thank you
>very much.
>ps. This from a 1969 442 conv.
>

Steve,

        This is a very late car. Very early ones would have 100001 as a
starting point in each plant.

Jim Chermack

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:10:12 -0300
Subject: Driveshafts

dedarnell@electro-matic.com wrote:

<<I've done the 350/th350 swap to 455/th400.  Does anyone know how much to
cut off the driveshaft, or do I have to measure from tailshaft to the rear?>>

Check out the appropriate shop manual for your year.  The various driveshaft
lengths should be listed in there.

<<I read somewhere that the driveshaft with the rubber dampers in them are
weak.  Is this true?>>

Not in my experience! I am sure there are exceptions, such as old or poor
rubber condition.  I had a 64 Cutlass originally with a Jetaway. Lucked out
as the driveshaft was the same length as a 4-speed. That driveshaft was
actually two pieces. One inside the other with a rubber damper.  That car ran
low 11's at close to 120mph, lifting the front wheels off the ground.  That
strong enough?

The dampened tube should actually absorb some of the shock to boot.

<< Or am I better off keeping mine and having it cut?>>

Depends on whether you can find:
a. the correct driveshaft - the easiest way
b. if what you need is longer you have no choice but to get another
c. a _reputable_ outfit that can cut, weld and balance your old drive shaft

Good luck.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:27:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Driveshaft length

In a message dated 97-06-04 04:56:30 EDT, you write:

<< I've done the 350/th350 swap to 455/th400.  Does anyone know how much to
 cut off the driveshaft, or do I have to measure from tailshaft to the rear?
 I read somewhere that the driveshaft with the rubber dampers in them are
 weak.  Is this true?  Does anyone have a driveshaft off of a big block
 cutlass that they want to sell(I live in SE Michigan)?  Or am I better off
 keeping mine and having it cut?

 thanks, >>
Give me a call, I can help you, my number is 313 336-8135 and I live in
DETROIT.

I have a couple driveshafts.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:31:30 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Ram-air setup

Bryan Bodine wrote:
...I have a '71 442 with the ram air hood.  I have a standard air
> cleaner with it.  What all do I need to purchase to get the full effect
> of the forced air system?  Do I need a new air cleaner or just a
> different setup?

Mike Rothe replied:

If it is the standard air cleaner, it is the dual-snorkel variety....


     No, I don't think so.  The 70-72 W-25 setup only used a single snorkle
air
     cleaner with the smaller lid over the filter and the plastic adapter.
Only
     the 68-69 OAI setup used dual snorkles (I'm ignoring the 66-67 setup with

     the diamond-shaped air cleaner housing, er, shroud).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:42:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing

At 01:44 PM 6/4/97 -0300, CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-06-04 03:09:33 EDT, you write:
>
><< >Second, for Charley, and maybe others with similar set-ups, what kind of
> >mileage can I expect (I know Charley's had 2.73's in there, or was it
> >2.56's?).
>
> My 80 442 has a 350/TH-350 with 2.73's and I get 12-13mpg city and 14-17
> highway.  >>
>
>Does this trans have the torque converter lock-up, or is it just a plain
>TH-350?  The mileage you list isn't too bad (figuring in the fun factor....),
>and the lock-up would help also.

I know that it is not the TH-350-C , just plain old TH-350.  My car isn't
computer controlled.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html ..13.402@101.2
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.htm ...show car

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From: padavano.joe@Orbital.COM
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:38:24 -0300
Subject: Re: VIN plate, parts needed


<snip description of cancerous 68 with dubious VIN plate mounting>

Barring that, I'd settle for some of the pieces:
- -decklid for a 2-door '68 or '69
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

     Chris,

     Uh, 68 and 69 decklids are different.  Note the notches in the corners
     for the 69 taillights.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:20:30 -0300
Subject: Re: ADMIN: re. racial slurs

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Before anyone gets bent too out of shape on this post and starts a
> potential insult-a-thon, be advised that the poster has been removed from
> the Olds list. The person in question previously received notice not to use
> offensive language in list postings. After this message he has been tossed.
>
> I think I will also institute a new policy of reserving the right to
> remove anyone who posts using a false email address. I have enough
> problems with the real ones... so consider it in force.
>

I'm glad to hear this. It was quite obvious and I'm not surprised to
hear that his behaviour would lead to the false e-mailings. Thanks Greg
for making the olds list a better place to be and share good
information. All Hail Greg....


Fernando
'72 442

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:29:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

This sibject couldn't of come at a better time, for me that is. This
weekend my car backfired and has not run right since. I'm using a Holley
4010. It's run all right so far but I think I blew the power valve. How
can you tell? What symptoms should I look for?

Fernando
'72 442

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 17:35:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 307 TBI

> Tom- I thought the last carbed GM was the 305 in the 88 Monte Carlo.
> I thought the 307 Olds's in the Cadillacs were TBI'ed?? No?
> I never knew the carbs went all the way to 90.

The carbureted 305 and 350 last appeared in 1988 cars.  Curiously, the
trucks from that vintage already had TBI.

A previous poster was correct: the 307 was equipped with a Rochester E4MC
right up to its last year of production, 1990.  That year, it was standard
equipment on Buick Estate Wagons, Cadillac Broughams, Chev Caprice
wagons, and Olds Custom Cruisers.  I used to think this was one of the
last carbureted engines in production, but then I realized some
early '90s entry-level Toy*tas had carbureted in-line 4's.  Today, even
Ladas have TBI (an old GM system if I'm not mistaken), now that the rest
of the world has moved to sequential port injection!

Kevin Wong

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:39:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing

At 08:24 PM 6/3/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a question for Charley, and of course, everyone else.  The reason I
>specifically say him is that he has alot of the same stuff I'm thinking about
>doing, already done.
>
>Ok, here goes.  I have my '81 Cutlass with a slightly tired '77 350 (Olds.,
>of course) in it.  The car currently has 2.29 gears in it (as far as the axle
>code tells me), and I have a TH-350C in it also (torque lock-up).  I have
>recntly hold ahold of a set of gears (carrier, and all) which are marked
>15/41 (2.73's, right?) which were out of a ten bolt Buick Station Wagon, and
>I got them for free.

When I switched to the 2.73's, (which came off of a '78 Buick Wagon - not
the full size).  The two sets were nearly identical.  The ring gears ~were~
identical.  I swapped the carrier and pinion as a set, but never did much
more tuning (i.e. the pattern matching, etc...)  I didn't run them for very
long.  They provided a bit too much fun for that tired motor :(  I don't
think I ever took a highway trip with them, so I'm not sure what mileage
I'd have gotten.

 I'll quit now, I may add more after reading others' posts...  Have to take
a quick trip this afternoon, and look at car trailers...



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:44:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile confusion

> > I'm selling all my cars and buying fords!
> > this Oldsmobile stuff is pretty hard to comprehend
> > Oldsmobiles are slow anyway.
> > And I've got some bad news, this list will become
> > a ford list.  So we can talk about them Olds killing
> > 5 liters.  cars that real men drive. so I'm very sory.
> >
> > Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
> Canada
> >
>

We all know who this is. Without looking at the full email header, we
can tell just by the terrible grammar, and that's when he actually
making any sense, which is almost never.

Fernando
'72 442

------------------------------

From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:39:44 -0300
Subject: 61 98 For Sale

For all you folks that like them big and from the sixties, look at what I
found in the woods of New Hampshire!

It's big, silver gray, has 4 doors, and is a 98 Holiday.  The owner started
it and it sounds decent, but it has no plates so no ride.  He drove it last
year until the plates ran out.  The car is solid, much better than a New
Englander would expect, but the drivers window stopped working in the down
position and the car is sitting outside, so especially considering the
weather we are enjoying(?) if you have any interest, look at it soon.

The owner, Luke (honest) Fowler is asking $700 but also said it has been
sitting for a while and he doesnt seem to have much demand.  You can reach
Mr. Fowler at 603 539-7815.  Good Luck!

Usual disclaimer:  My life will not be influenced in any way by the purchase
or not of this car!  It does seem too nice to just rot away!  Please direct
any other questions to Mr. Fowler, cause now you know all I know.  If you do
try to buy it I'd love to know what happens.

Elephant Engine Ernie
67-442
50- 88

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 18:48:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Super cars unltd.

> ??? You mean somebody reprinted Supercars Unlimited's catalog? Wouldn't that
> just give them more business???

The letter was a tri-folded red brochure with WARNING in not so friendly
letters. The difference I'm assuming comes with the phone numbers and
address. To quote " Over the years this same competitor has resorted to
bad mouthing, mud slinging, etc. "

A little while ago we were goin' round an round about different
suppliers of our beloved obsessions and was wondering if the unnamed was
one we had discussed.

BTW the letter was signed (facsimilied) by the owner of Supercars.

Danny

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From: "bill " <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 21:38:46 -0300
Subject: Re: More Parts For Sale - Freon Replacement

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> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: Re: More Parts For Sale - Freon Replacement
> Date: Wednesday, June 04, 1997 10:51 AM
>=20
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> Got any other suggestions??  ((((UGH)))))!!!!=20
>=20
> Rosemary
> 1972 Olds 442
> Arkansas

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:13:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Cam Question for 350

>Did you degree in the cam? Do you know what timing that the cam was
>ground at? It could be possible that the cam was ground with some
>advance or retarded timing. A friend of mine's 350 with a w? cam (308
>dur.) did the same thing. On smooth blacktop he'd punch it from a dead
>stop it would spin the tires for about 10 feet then catch traction and
>as soon as it hit 3000 rpm the tires would let out a chirp and push
>you
>back pretty hard in the seat. I thought it was kinda cool. Kinda like
>a
>poor mans nitrous.
>
>Daren
>daren@revealed.net

No, the cam wasn't degreed. It was installed at tdc for ª1 cylinder. It
was custom ground by Schneider Racing Cams out of San Diego. It was
supposed to be ground with some advance already in it, but the cam card
didn't indicate this. Did get a good deal on the cam beacause they messed
up and sent me a cam for a 350 motor. I remember asking him to grind some
advance into it. I suppose it's possible that it was done and just not
put on the card. I can't give all the exact specs because the card has
disappeared, but it had all the previous specs you mentioned, but more
lift. I'm running about 492 lift on the intake and 496 lift on the
exhaust. Once I hit 2500-3000 rpm, she just takes off like you described
above.

Katana72


>

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:56:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Driveshafts

At 04:10 PM 6/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
><<I've done the 350/th350 swap to 455/th400.  Does anyone know how much to
>cut off the driveshaft, or do I have to measure from tailshaft to the rear?>>
>
>Check out the appropriate shop manual for your year.  The various driveshaft
>lengths should be listed in there.

Huh. My 1969 shop manual doesn't list lengths under "Propeller Shaft
Specifications" section, only the angles for the transmission and
differential nose. Do the other years list them?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:56:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ram-air setup

At 05:31 PM 6/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Bryan Bodine wrote:
>...I have a '71 442 with the ram air hood.  I have a standard air
>> cleaner with it.
>
>Mike Rothe replied:
>
>If it is the standard air cleaner, it is the dual-snorkel variety....
>
>     No, I don't think so.  The 70-72 W-25 setup only used a single snorkle
air
>     cleaner with the smaller lid over the filter and the plastic adapter.

Right; I think he means he has a standard, as in non-OAI, air cleaner
housing (which would be a dual-snorkel) that he wants to use, not the
"standard OAI air cleaner", which as you point out used the single snorkel.

>  Only
>     the 68-69 OAI setup used dual snorkles (I'm ignoring the 66-67 setup
with >     the diamond-shaped air cleaner housing, er, shroud).

Speaking of which, the Berejik show on Sunday was quite a sight, despite
some rain early on which probably kept the numbers down. First car on the
way into the "inside show" of Berejick's incredible collection of
never-registered cars (anyone interested in a pair of '83-'84 H/O's, with a
hundred miles between them? Ooops, sorry, not for sale! ;) was an '82
Cutlass with a tri-power big-block, with the dual-snorkel diamond-shaped OAI
air cleaner. Sweet.

Almost as nice as the '70 W-30 crate engine on the stand inside the store...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 23:15:05 -0300
Subject: Report: Berejik's Sunday Show

At 03:29 PM 5/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>     I will be attending the show Sunday. I will be coming from the western
>New York area (about an 8 hour drive). I have never been in the Boston area
>before and look forward to going. Whats the weather forcast for the Boston
>area?.  Steve
>1967 442
>1970 442
>1973 442

Yes, Steve did in fact attend the show with his lovely wife, trailering
their '73 442 the whole 8 hours through rain to be there! What a trooper!
Now, I'm not usually one much for trailered cars, but the detail on Steve's
442 was nothing short of incredible, so driving it the 8 hours in the rain
would have meant a year's worth of cleaning (I mean, c'mon, when the
_tie-rods_ are chrome, you're going to drive it 8 hours? Never mind 1000cfm
of gas leakers and a 4.11 rear...). The paint on the frame was nicer than
most cars have on their body panels. I'll just say it again; Wow.

There were more '68-'69 Cutlasses/442's than I could count. A *very* rusty
'69 convertible 442 that people were investigating all day. Most were
mind-boggling in their attention to detail, though. Some original W-30 '70's
there. Super nice '72 CS in the same color scheme as my SX (which is why I'm
changing from that shade of yellow to something a bit nicer: anything!). Oh,
and a few '69 and '72 H/O's (one parked next to my '69 Toro had the full
pace-car decals on it; about as far from subtle as you can get!)

A few of the '50's and big '60's cars (black convertible '64 98 stood out,
as did the maroon '62 Starfire (actually belongs to my insurance agent).

Inside the main service building, however, was a real treat: Berejik's
collection, consisting mainly of new, unregistered cars that he has
preserved all these years. Like the '83 and '84 H/O's, a '61 Starfire, a
pair of '77s, one a 442 and the other a Supreme, a few first-generation
442's (some unregistered, some restored). And for you early-model fans, a
'41 and '51 (the year Berejik's opened). All immaculate; nice portable Olds
museum he has there.

One of the cars that drew the most attention, however, was a '54 (?) 4-door
88, virtually *covered* in surface rust, crumpled right-rear quarter,
driver's door didn't open, had perhaps one hubcap left, but the guy was
having a *great* time! Everyone was gathered around, remarking about how he
could do this to that, put a new something here, fix up those pieces, etc...
The guy was a complete newbie to old cars, but he and his wife got to meet a
lot of people, got lots of advice, and drove off thoroughly enjoying his old
Oldsmobile. After all, that's the whole point, isn't it?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 1997 22:56:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Super cars unltd.

At 05:48 PM 6/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> ??? You mean somebody reprinted Supercars Unlimited's catalog? Wouldn't
that >> just give them more business??? > >The letter was a tri-folded red
brochure with WARNING in not so friendly >letters. The difference I'm assuming
comes with the phone numbers and >address.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 ^^^^^^^

Ah, ok, my misunderstanding; it wasn't an *exact* reprint, but a reprint
with the rogue company's own name, phone number and address! I can see the
problem there...

Did Supercars Unlimited say whether this company was offering the same
merchandise for less money? or more money?

One other implication of this would be that Supercars Unlimited has nothing
to offer that other vendors can't sell as well (i.e. nothing that they
produce or sell exclusively), or if they did, that this company would have
to buy it from Supercars Unlimited, and then resell it to their own
customer, either at a higher price or at a loss.

>To quote " Over the years this same competitor has resorted to
>bad mouthing, mud slinging, etc. "

Oooo, now I really want to know who this company is! Sounds like a catfight!

>A little while ago we were goin' round an round about different
>suppliers of our beloved obsessions and was wondering if the unnamed was
>one we had discussed.

Well, since there aren't that many Olds suppliers, we can narrow it down to
a few likely candidates (like an Oldsmobile version of "Clue"!). Here are
all the vendors I can think of, besides Supercars Unlimited, that might have
a catalog devoted exclusively to Olds parts:

Year One
Fusick
Oldsmobile Parts USA
Brothers
Paddock
Mondello
Dick Miller Racing

Now, I don't have a Supercars Unlimited catalog to compare these catalogs
to, though I get the impression that Year One's catalog, with its wealth of
information, is their own work. Fusick's and Olds Parts USA's Cutlass/442
catalogs appear to be the same design as their full-size Olds catalogs, so
unless they copy the style of the S.U. catalog for those, I'd rule them out.

I don't have a Brothers or a recent Paddock catalog (I don't like paying to
see if someone has parts that I want, especially if other sources will send
me catalogs with the parts that I want to buy in them); anyone have those to
compare?

Mondello's catalog is clearly his own creation. DMR's catalog looks very
fresh, but lists things that he has developed exclusively (such as his
$4,500 FI system), so that's unlikely.

Who am I leaving out? The other suppliers I know of don't print catalogs.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:33:43 -0300
Subject: Etzel Bobby, messages from

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Etzel Bobby wrote:
...
When I read your messages, they come up saying nothing but that there is
an attachment and press v to view it, after which I can read it.  I know
my mailer is old, but only you're messages do this.  Do you have
something set different than normal (maybe view replies as attachments?)?

Does anyone else have this problem?

What mailer do you use?

Sorry to nag, though

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:38:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Super cars unltd.

At 06:48 PM 6/4/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> ??? You mean somebody reprinted Supercars Unlimited's catalog? Wouldn't
that >> just give them more business??? >

        I've heard something about this and a little birdy told me it was
BERIJIK's.

------------------------------

From: "Robert Nevins" <nevinsr@voyager.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:41:49 -0300
Subject: 1964 Cutlass backup light

I'm looking for a left side backup light housing and lense for a 1964 F-85
Cutlass.
Is there anyone out there that can help me?
Robb Nevins
nevinsr@voyager.net

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 00:41:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Ram-air setup

padavano.joe@orbital.com wrote:
>
> Bryan Bodine wrote:
> ...I have a '71 442 with the ram air hood.  I have a standard air
> > cleaner with it.

> Mike Rothe replied:
>
> If it is the standard air cleaner, it is the dual-snorkel variety....
>
>      No, I don't think so.  The 70-72 W-25 setup only used a single snorkle
air....

>      Joe Padavano


Hey Joe, I hate to burst your bubble, but if he had the 71 442
"standard" air cleaner, it had dual snorkels.  I know, I've had a few
'71 442s in my time.  If you would have read the rest of my reply it
inferred what you said, thereby backing up my advice.  He just mentioned
having the hood, not the air cleaner.  Of course he really never let us
know what he meant by "standard"..........

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:06:11 -0300
Subject: 69 442/Hurst Trunk Moldings

Alright, who's hiding that perfect example of a 69 442/Hurst stainless
steel trunk lip molding from me?  Come out and show yourself, please.
Mine is wounded, and I need to send in a relief....

And other questions......

Anyone know where to find replacement battery cable routing tubes? (the
one that routes the positive cable down by the frame area on the
driver's side.)  Mine is sorta chewed up bad on one end.  I thought
about cutting it shorter, but then it would be too short.

Any help would be deeply appreciated.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:18:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing

In a message dated 97-06-04 19:36:45 EDT, you write:

<< >Ok, here goes.  I have my '81 Cutlass with a slightly tired '77 350
(Olds.,
 >of course) in it.  The car currently has 2.29 gears in it (as far as the
axle
 >code tells me), and I have a TH-350C in it also (torque lock-up).  I have
 >recntly hold ahold of a set of gears (carrier, and all) which are marked
 >15/41 (2.73's, right?) which were out of a ten bolt Buick Station Wagon,
and
 >I got them for free.

 When I switched to the 2.73's, (which came off of a '78 Buick Wagon - not
 the full size).  The two sets were nearly identical.  The ring gears ~were~
 identical.  I swapped the carrier and pinion as a set, but never did much
 more tuning (i.e. the pattern matching, etc...)  I didn't run them for very
 long.  They provided a bit too much fun for that tired motor :(  I don't
 think I ever took a highway trip with them, so I'm not sure what mileage
 I'd have gotten.  >>

OK, I've gotten some mileage estimates that seems pretty decent.  Now, some
questions.  Whaddya mean "neraly identical", just meaning in relation to the
gear size, everything else was the same?  Have you done any tuning on your
car when you put in the 3.23's?  What's it involve, or didn't you do anything
then either.  Finally, what's meant by "too much fun for the tired old
motor"?

Thanks,
Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:46:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder

I have that master cylinder on my '72 parts car.  Interested?

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From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 01:29:49 -0300
Subject: Save a '69 H/O and my sanity!

Okay, here's a three in one post:

First, I got a call from a fellow H/OCA member in Kansas.  He was
driving outside of Kalispel, MT a few days ago and found a '69
Hurst/Olds sitting in a field!  He looked me up on the registry and
found me as the closest H/OCA member.  Unfortunately, I'm still not all
that close, and besides, I just got laid off so I'm in no position to be
obtaining cars.  Are there any list members near that area that would
like to check it out and see if it's for sale?  He said it's about 5mi
west of Kalispell, MT on Highway 2, on the North side of the road in a
field.  Everything looked there, spoiler and all, maybe a bit of rust on
the quarter panel.  Please keep me informed!

Next comes my sanity.  My '84 H/O has a rattle in the dash area thats
driving me absolutely nuts!  It's a rattling noise, almost a tinkling
noise.  It sounds like it's coming from inside the car.  It only happens
in gear (any gear but park).  If I grab the steering column and rotate
the part that rotates when you shift gears a bit and hold it, the
rattling stops.  I've isolated the PRNDL indicator by removing the clip
that attaches the cable, and the noise is still there so that's not it.
Someone told me that the bushing under the hood where the column joins
up with the link that goes down to the tranny can cause this noise, so I
replaced that bushing, no difference.  Anyone got any suggestions at
all?  Thanks!

Last, I just got a new game I thought people here might be interested
in.  It's called Interstate '76 by Activision.  It takes place in an
alternate-universe 1976 (afro's, 8-tracks, funky music, and everything)
where muscle cars are commonly armed.  So far the game is an excellent
driving simulator of muscle cars (with machine guns of course!), with
skids, dirt, pavement, flat tires, inertia and everything.  Network play
against your friends too!  Gets two thumbs up!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:18:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Question for Charley, et al., on rear end gearing

>OK, I've gotten some mileage estimates that seems pretty decent.  Now, some
>questions.  Whaddya mean "neraly identical", just meaning in relation to the
>gear size, everything else was the same?  Have you done any tuning on your
>car when you put in the 3.23's?  What's it involve, or didn't you do anything
>then either.  Finally, what's meant by "too much fun for the tired old
>motor"?

Chris...

The ~nearly~ part:  The pinion was the *only* different piece.  Period.
The 3.23's came out of a '70 Buick GS. It was a hub-to-hub swap in.  I
didn't do it the correct way (yet...  the ~correct~ way is in a box in the
basement waiting for me to get my ~feces cohesive~ (S**t together))  I
pried things into place, and have put a few thousand miles on 'em.  Most of
'em racing style miles :)  On the highway, I'd get 16 at best, with that
motor.  I never did get it completely tuned, I was always plagued with carb
problems.  The only free time I had was after midnight, and I didn't feel
like hanging out under a hood (outside) at that time...  It still hauled
butt, though, and maintained the local record of being ~nearly~ undefeated.
 The only car that ever beat the Rockit with 3.23's was my buddy's GTO.  I,
in turn, am one of the select few that ever beat him. We raced the Rockit
and his Goat one night only, both of us having a few downfalls (my Holley,
his throttle linkage)

We had been cruising around together all night.  He in my car, and later I
in his.  We both contendend that the Goat would completely wipe me out.  He
even had me drive his car so he could compare the feel of the car. (and
he'd ~never~ ridden in his car, so he was curious how it felt without the
big round handle:)  We finally decided to race 'em, both knowing I'd get my
butt whipped.  To ~both~ our suprise, I beat him by a fender length the
first race.  The second we tied, and teh third he beat me by about half a
fender.  We were both impressed.  We passed it off as musclecar feel in
his, maybe due to the harder seats or something.  It was kinda odd...

OK, back to the subject...  I'll just say that the Rockit isn't that
miraculously fast, but it's faster than anything ~else~ that cruises our
streets every day. (or should I say ~was~ faster, since it's dead now...)

About the ~too-much-fun~ part:  It became ~too~ easy to nail that gas pedal
hard after I put the 2.73's in.  I'd step on the gas and something would
actually happen.  This was new for me.  Of course with five or six million
miles on this engine of questionable past (it was in a Firebird, so you
~know~ I wasn't the first to race it!) coupled with the faulty/wrong?
harmonic balancer, the engine met an early(er than normal) demise.  The too
much fun correlates to the word abuse, on my part.  I ran 'er hard, and I
luncher 'er out.  (I seem to have that problem...)  On the other hand, I'd
paid $200 for the car with the 403 (it was a Buick station wagon when I got
it...) and I'm ~still~ running the tranny from it.  I think I did quite
well, and had lots of fun to boot.

Better go, got another post to make, and it's getting late again...


Later :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:40:35 -0300
Subject: Toro Virus has **NOTHING** on This One!!!!

Well, had a close friend cuss me out for picking up that '82 Cutlass for
$50.  Seems to me he was saying the exact same words I was, when he picked
up ~his~ '81 Cutlass for $50!  Of course, the part that pi**ed ~me~ off,
was that ~I~ am the one who showed him ~that~ car!  Oh well, mine runs, his
didn't!  :)  Got the '77 Toro insured yesterday, and have been driving it,
(just 'cuz)  Took it to Chinook this afternoon, and got 21 mpg...
Somehow!!!!  It was 90'+ outside, and I went 70 most of the way with the
403.  Hmm.  Can't beat that.  Raced a mid 80's Cutlass 4dr last night, too
(one of the front drivers)  Beat him.  I was wishing it wasn't an Olds, but
it was a real putz that owns it, so I felt good anyway...  Also sounds like
I cut a deal on ~another~ Cutlass today.  It's an '87 with about 200000
miles on it.  Body's scratched but straight.  White with Dk Blue interior,
Buckets, Auto on floor, full guages, power everything, etc....  I'll
disclose the price after it's mine (just in case anyone's adventurous :)
Sometime in the next month she's buying a new car, and when ~that~ happens,
I'll have first shot at the '87 :)

Watch out, folks, I'm learning firsthand how powerful this new Cutlass
virus is :o

Don't worry, though.  It appears I'm doing my part to ensure that no one
else gets a chance of infection :)

Seriously, though, I feel it's the only humane thing to do, because every
one of these cars would eventually face the crusher, and I'd feel much
better knowing they were preventing weeds in my yard... :)

Better go...

Later :)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:30:40 -0300
Subject: 61 Olds F/S in North Central Montana

     I've heard of a guy in Chinook MT (20 miles from me) who has a '61
Olds for sale.  Rebuilt 394, rebuilt tranny.  Maroon, really nice shape.
Don't know ~what~ it is, or even how many doors it has, but it's supposed
to be really decent.  He'd bought the car for the engine and tranny, and
discoverred they wouldn't work on his convert, I guess.  Don't know much
about that.  I guess he wants $900 OBO, though.  For a 61 in good shape, it
might be a good deal...


OK, I'll repost this.  I went to Chinook today, to check out car trailers,
and swung by this car.  It's a Super 88.  It is almost identical to the
Dynamic 88 on my Salvage Lot page.  The body looked fairly straight, but
didn't see the front.  The rear pass. quarter had some sideswipe damage,
but really didn't look severe.  The glass was all there, except the
driver's door (which was most likely rolled down, but I didn't stop to look
that close)  Four door post.

I'll be going back to Chinook sometime within the next week, so if anyone
has any serious interest in it, let me know. Chinook is in the middle of
nowhere, but if it's something anyone'd be seeking...  Plus, I know where
there's a parts car for it :)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 02:52:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Save a '69 H/O and my sanity!

>Next comes my sanity.  My '84 H/O has a rattle in the dash area thats
>driving me absolutely nuts!  It's a rattling noise, almost a tinkling
>noise.  It sounds like it's coming from inside the car.  It only happens
>in gear (any gear but park).  If I grab the steering column and rotate
>the part that rotates when you shift gears a bit and hold it, the
>rattling stops.  I've isolated the PRNDL indicator by removing the clip
>that attaches the cable, and the noise is still there so that's not it.
>Someone told me that the bushing under the hood where the column joins
>up with the link that goes down to the tranny can cause this noise, so I
>replaced that bushing, no difference.  Anyone got any suggestions at
>all?  Thanks!

How about the wiring and linkage inside the column?  Perhaps the high/low
beam switch is coming loose?  Pull that vent panel off and look around a
while, you might find what it is by shaking the wiring and link rods (for
ignition and dimmer)


I'll foreward the 69 HO to Dustin and Scott.  They might be able to check
into it.



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass ~Dead 425~
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "FAST FWD" (Soon)   | '67 Toronado 425
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

From: DJV442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:02:05 -0300
Subject: 75 cutlass for sale

75 cutlass s,special 124 n.e. edition, 350/4,auto,44k original
miles,console,swivel buckets,rally wheels,p/s,p/b.interior almost
perfect,exterior solid but needs some resto.dk.green exterior,wht/grn
interior,white vinyl roof.car has original chrome mirrors.car runs/drives
excellent.car purchased new by 74 year old woman(now 96).had one other owner
for a short time before i bought it.worth a look.....asking
$1500.00 or b/o. car is located on cape cod in mass.

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From: Etzel Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 09:57:31 -0300
Subject: RE: Etzel Bobby, messages from

Thanks Eric, I am using Microsoft Mail 3.1. I guess I need to know if any =
one else is haveing this trouble also. I use my mail a lot, and no one =
seems to have any trouble. So if any one else on the list has seen this =
please reply to me at:

bobby.etzel@gsc.gte.com

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
__________________________________________________________________________=
_____
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Wed, Jun 4, 1997 11:39 PM
Subject: Etzel Bobby, messages from
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

On Wed, 4 Jun 1997, Etzel Bobby wrote:
...
When I read your messages, they come up saying nothing but that there is
an attachment and press v to view it, after which I can read it.  I know
my mailer is old, but only you're messages do this.  Do you have
something set different than normal (maybe view replies as attachments?)?

Does anyone else have this problem?

What mailer do you use?

Sorry to nag, though

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:23:21 -0300
Subject: Re: 61 98 For Sale

> For all you folks that like them big and from the sixties, look at what I
> found in the woods of New Hampshire!
>
> It's big, silver gray, has 4 doors, and is a 98 Holiday.

Ouch, ouch, ouch!!  I could just take a cruise up there, clinch a deal,
dirve it home... and contact a divorce lawyer upon arrival.

As I've quipped on this hallowed list before, I might just as well bring
home a blonde as another car -- Olds or otherwise -- I'd get the same
reaction for either :)

Seriously, though, I wish I had a spot for it, I'd be plenty interested.
I saw a big Olds on the Sunday of Memorial weekend, just as I was getting
on the Mass Pike in Framingham... a cream colored 98 of the same vintage
as this one in NH, a big ol' 4 door coming off the Pike, looked to be in
nice shape.  I was heading down to a relative's wedding in NJ with my sister
and bro-in-law, the one who works at the Olds dealer in Wellesley; he and I
were most impressed with the car.

Alas, he has no room for that 98 either :(

How 'bout you, Dr. Bob?  Or Steve?

Tim Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "Michael Calvo" <mcalvo@hologic.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 11:39:26 -0300
Subject: Help! Trying to find Ring and Pinion for '70 442 W30 4spd

Help I'm having a hell of a time trying to locate a replacement 3:90 ring and
pinion for my 442. I've tried Ratech, Tom's Differential, Currry Enterprises
and DTS, all with no luck. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Michael
mcalvo@hologic.com

'68 Cutlass Supreme
'70 442 W30 4spd Stripe Delete Car

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From: Jason Beres <jberes@eagle1.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:39:23 -0300
Subject: RE: Save a '69 H/O and my sanity!

I'm not close enough to Kalispell to save the Hurst, but my $.02 on the =
rattle . . .
My father owns an '83 Delta which had the same irritating problem, to =
the point that he took the car to the local Olds dealership.  Loose =
accessory wiring was the culprit here, which was shored up after =
removing and reinstalling the dash.
It was (of course) more expensive than he would have liked, but the =
"bells, bells, bells" are no longer tolling and rolling :)

Jason Beres
'83 98 Regency coupe

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From: "Schaack's" <shaqboyz@sbt.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:43:34 -0300
Subject: Carb Question

I have a 1966 Olds Ninety-Eight with a 425.  I am in need of a different carb.
 Mine has the original Rochester Q-Jet on it and it is shot.  I plan on going
to a junk yard today to find some type of used carb.  All I want is some type
of carb that works well since my current one won't even keep the car idleing.
It doesn't matter to me what it is as long as it's in decent shape.  I don't
know squat about carbs so I need to know what information to tell the people
at the junk yard about mine so they can help me out.  Or else I will have to
take the whole thing off and take it with me.  Please help soon.

One of the Schaack's

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 10:50:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 75 cutlass for sale

> 75 cutlass s,special 124 n.e. edition, 350/4,auto,44k original
> miles,console,swivel buckets,rally wheels,p/s,p/b.interior almost
> perfect,exterior solid but needs some resto.dk.green exterior,wht/grn
> interior,white vinyl roof.car has original chrome mirrors.car runs/drives
> excellent.car purchased new by 74 year old woman(now 96).had one other owner
> for a short time before i bought it.worth a look.....asking
> $1500.00 or b/o. car is located on cape cod in mass.

Where on the Cape?  I happen to be heading down tomorrow morning, to do
a little fishin' and beachin' for a few days.  If I happen to be in the area,
I wouldn't mind just swinging by and looking... for anyone else on the list.

Same comments I made about that '61 98 in NH apply here too :P



Tim (Still Not Sure He Likes the Fact that the Striped Bass Minimum Length
     Got Reduced This Year) Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 07:49:54 -0300
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass backup light

robert i may have one in the cellar I will check and get back to you.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:38:02 -0300
Subject: Re: 61 98 For Sale

At 09:23 AM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> It's big, silver gray, has 4 doors, and is a 98 Holiday.
>
>Ouch, ouch, ouch!!  I could just take a cruise up there, clinch a deal,
>dirve it home... and contact a divorce lawyer upon arrival.
>
>As I've quipped on this hallowed list before, I might just as well bring
>home a blonde as another car -- Olds or otherwise -- I'd get the same
>reaction for either :)
[snip]
>How 'bout you, Dr. Bob?  Or Steve?

You really want to get me in trouble, don't you, Tim? Not only is a '61 98
*bigger* than both of my two running/registered cars (probably bigger than
the Toro and the Electra put together!), but I'm just getting rid of my '68
Toro beater to make room in my garage for my SX to come home, and now you
want to clog up my yard with a '61 98?

How much is he asking?

p.s. Where were you Sunday, Tim? Didn't catch you at Berejik's (kept an eye
out for twins and a red '67, but no show).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 12:48:16 -0300
Subject: 88 in the weeds

I was nosing around a local (Northern VA) junk yard for Cutlass parts when I
came across a Super 88. The car looked complete and in restorable shape.
Unfortunately, I don't know enough about older Olds to convey exact details.
I found what I thought was the VIN on the driver's side door jamb. I know it
started with 60, and I think that was followed by 80W0 (lack of accuracy due
to brain fade and a writing utensil deficiency during yarding). Anyway, the
interior seemed to be complete. Although the body had some rust and dents it
looked very solid. None of the glass was broken. All of the chrome seemed to
be there, but a couple of pieces were dented. The car does have a motor
which looked correct if not original. I couldn't get under the car, so I
don't have info on the drive train or suspension.

They want $1000 for the car "as it sits". I assume that means the buyer
would be responsible for hauling it out. If you are interested in more info,
let me know. I could be persuaded to make another trip and bring a camera.

Ray
70 Cutlass Conv
70 442 Conv

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From: Justin Koval <kovalj@dave-world.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:58:52 -0300
Subject: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

Anybody happen to have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a strong frame
they want to sell for a resonable price????
We have one, but frame is bad, everythinge lse is awesome!  $4,000 parts
car..Engine good, tranny good..most of it original, what isn't is from
the PADDOCK..
Looking for one with a strong frame..prefere a convertible, but hey, I'm
not picky!!!


Justin

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:19:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

At 12:58 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Anybody happen to have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a strong frame
>they want to sell for a resonable price????
>We have one, but frame is bad, everythinge lse is awesome!  $4,000 parts
>car..Engine good, tranny good..most of it original, what isn't is from
>the PADDOCK..
>Looking for one with a strong frame..prefere a convertible, but hey, I'm
>not picky!!!

OK, Justin, the big question would be "Where are you?" I know of a couple
'70-'72 frames that you could use, but they are in the Northeast, and I
can't imagine how shipping would work on that.

Perhaps you could repair the original frame? Where exactly do you have the
rust? _______________________________________________________ Dr. Robert Barry
MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu Theology Dept, Providence College,
Providence, RI 02918

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From: Justin Koval <kovalj@dave-world.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 14:36:54 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

I live in central Illinois.
We could repair it, but for how much it would cost, we ci\ould get a
another one, and then we will have a spare.

Justin

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> At 12:58 PM 6/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Anybody happen to have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a strong frame
> >they want to sell for a resonable price????
> >We have one, but frame is bad, everythinge lse is awesome!  $4,000 parts
> >car..Engine good, tranny good..most of it original, what isn't is from
> >the PADDOCK..
> >Looking for one with a strong frame..prefere a convertible, but hey, I'm
> >not picky!!!
>
> OK, Justin, the big question would be "Where are you?" I know of a couple
> '70-'72 frames that you could use, but they are in the Northeast, and I
> can't imagine how shipping would work on that.
>
> Perhaps you could repair the original frame? Where exactly do you have the
rust? > _______________________________________________________ > Dr. Robert
Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu > Theology Dept, Providence
College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 13:44:21 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

Justin,
Where are you located?  I'm in Western IN and a couple weeks ago I went to
a junkyard in Evansville, southern IN by the KY border, and they had a 71
2dr hardtop.  The frame looked pretty good as it had the rear end torched
off of it.  Upper and lower control arms cut in half along with the shocks.
Didn't notice any major rot, but then I wasn't really looking for a frame.
Something to consider if you live in the midwest.  If interested let me
know as I would probably be able to help you out.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
1977 Ford LTD hey it was free
1977 Buick LeSabre - parents bought brand new and it has been bequethed to
me - again,  but it's olds 350 powered



Anybody happen to have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a strong frame
they want to sell for a resonable price????
We have one, but frame is bad, everythinge lse is awesome!  $4,000 parts
car..Engine good, tranny good..most of it original, what isn't is from
the PADDOCK..
Looking for one with a strong frame..prefere a convertible, but hey, I'm
not picky!!!

Justin

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