
oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 15 1997        Volume 01 : Number 757



Re: New on list
Re: Big rear tires?
Good Headers-please read!
Re: Brought home my new 72 442 tonight
Need Motor
Re: 442 question
Exhaust-ing conclusion
Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show
compression test
Re: 442 question
Re: Emergency Engine Swap
Re: compression test
Re: Exhaust-ing conclusion
Re: Emergency Engine Swap
Re: NON Olds - 61 Bonneville
Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show
'71 Cutlass
1981 Cutlass
Re: Emergency Engine Swap
Re: Good Headers-please read!
Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show
SPAM!!
Re: 1981 Cutlass
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Headers
Hedders
Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Surge, stumble, and lack of power
Re: Big rear tires?
Re: Rear Springs - ride height
Re: Good Headers-please read!
Re: Emergency Engine Swap
Re: Good Headers-please read!
Re: Good Headers-please read!
Re: Emergency Engine Swap
Re: Updated web page
MY FAN!!
Re: Secondary Metering Rods
Engine ID number
W/Z manifolds avalable!!!
Re: Secondary Metering Rods
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Engine ID number
Re: BB Motor Mounts- Availability?
Re: digest 744 reply
Re: Authenticity..
Re: Good Headers-please read!
Re: Authenticity..
Re: Story Olds
Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show
A fair guestimation of worth: 1967 442
Olds Natl's - Best liscense plate bracket
Tranny swap help (was Re: 1931 Owners)
Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals
Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 03:31:53 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: New on list

Hi Gary,

> Hi, My name is Gary Rae. I am from Dallas, Texas and I am the proud new
> owner of a 1970 442 conv. 102,000 mi, 455, 4 speed,a/c, red/white/white,
> numbers match.

Congrats!  Such a luck guy!  I am drooling with envy.

> This is my first one. I have always wanted a 442 convertable since high

Yeah me too.  There is definitely something to be said about a
convertible.
I myself am working on trying to get a 1971 Cutlass convertible.  Will
keep
everyone posted.

> school. I have been on the list a few days and have learned lots
> already.

Yeah me too.  I came in as a unmechanically inclined individual, now I
am
turning into somewhat a gearhead.

> Glad to be on board.

Glad to have you. :-)

> My past "fun " cars have been '67 vette roadster, '70 Porsche 914-6,
> '67 Austin Healey 3000, '68 Mustang GT.

Well you should have some fun with the convertible.

Take care....

Chris Sparks
68 442 SC
68 442 HT
82 DRB

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:27:58 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Big rear tires?

Hi Brad 
On my Convertible I have a pair of soft compound for racing and they are
335 L 60 15" they are 14" wide and fit with no problem
On my last Rallye 350 I had 235 G 50 15" and they fit OK but if you corned
hard they got close to the wheel well Lip

Robert Schinkel
1970 W-31
1970 Rallye 350
1970 442 Convertible
1970 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
and on beat up Chevy Van (got to have something to trailer my OLDS to a
show)


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> From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Big rear tires?
> Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 9:28 PM
> 
> I would like to know what the biggest tire size I can run on SSII rims
> (15 X 7) on my 70 442.  Can I go as big as 275/60R15?
> thanks
> Brad

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:32:11 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Good Headers-please read!

Okay, first I want to know if anyone knows if Heddman Hedders are made
for a 73 Cutlass w/350 TH350 and a/c? If they are, which should I get:

1. Heddman
2. Hooker
3. Flowtech

I'm stumped but I need an answer ASAP so I can start ordering the parts!
I know Hookers are about $120 from Jegs, Heddman says about $90 in
Summit, and I still haven't gotten a confirmed reply from Flowtech.
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:32:01 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Brought home my new 72 442 tonight

- ----------
> From: John Richmond <richmond@tir.com>
> To: Olsmobile E-mail <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Brought home my new 72 442 tonight
> Date: Monday, July 14, 1997 11:05 PM
> 
> Just drove home my new 72 442. I had about a hour drive, the car ran 
> beautiful. To top it all off I missed a number of thunder storms which I
> could see in the distance.
> 
> Since I had about a hour in the car I was able to test things out.
> First off since it has the 455 acceleration is no problem and the 400
> trans shifts great. I did notice the ventilation fan doesn't work and 
> the radio cuts in and out (probably a bad ground). I think the idle needs
> to be turned up because when in gear at a stop light the idle is real
> rough.
>  
> Oh yea I know a 455 will not have great mileage but should 
> 50 miles burn half a tank?  About what rear gear would I have if
> turning 4000 rpm at 60 mph?  

When I'm on the highway I do about 4000 at 60mph and I have 3.91 gear 
I personnaly try to stay around 3000 which seems to be around 50 Slow on
highway but quick on strip

Robert Schinkel
1970 W-31
1970 Rallye 350
1970 442 Convertible
1970 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
and on beat up Chevy Van (got to have something to trailer my OLDS to a
show)




 
> John Richmond
> richmond@tir.com
> Warren, MI
> 72 442/455

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 07:43:47 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: Need Motor

Hi All,
    
   Sorry this is not an Oldsmobile motor I am looking for, but I am 
looking for a 1965 425 buick motor for a 65 Rivi. If anyone could help
me on this I would be very thankful. I am trying to help a friend who
does not have any computer to use to look for himself. If there is a 
Buick list I am not aware of it.

Thanks

Tom Williams
70-W31

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:47:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: DJV442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442 question

442 doesn' t relate to the engine(they never made one that size)but ,your not
the first to say that by any means....it originally stood for (400 cubic
inch,4 speed,dual exhaust) but changed many times over the years....hope this
helps....

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 08:00:36 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Exhaust-ing conclusion

Got my 442 back from the exhaust guy last night.  I was getting kinda
worried as I squeezed the appointment in between trips to Boston
and Cincinnati.  After a couple promised finish dates came and went,
he finally delivered.

The Torque Technologies 2.5" pipe system turned out to have the
left tail pipe too short at the end, so he had to hack in a couple
of inches to reach the trumpet.  From the rear, everything looks okay,
but from underneath the welded on pipe extension looks like something
I'd do (ie not professional looking :-).  Fortunately I'm not a "mirrors
under the car at car shows" kinda guy.

I must not be as old as I think, because when I picked up the car
I was suprised at how quite the system is.  I was kinda expecting
more noise out of the long case Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers.
My waning youthful enthusiasm still wants to hear that loud rumble.
The upside is that you can easily hear the carb now when the
OAI flapper door opens on those WOT runs...  :-)

The exhaust guy said I have a exhaust leak in one of the
mainfolds, and suggested I replace the gaskets.  I'll have
to check the FAQ, but I seem to remember something
about not using gaskets on the olds engines?

Of course I cant hear anything, but you may remember
the last time somebody told me I had an exhaust leak,
the head pipe fell off a few days later...  :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-speed
translation: "speak softly and carry a big (Hurst) stick"

see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:49:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show

On Tue, 15 Jul 1997, Mike Hall wrote:

> Tom, Jason, Al,
> 
> I forgot to ask in my last post, what are the particulars on the cars you 
> were driving (i.e. color, year, model, etc.)?
> 
> Regards,
> Mike Hall
> 
> 
> Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
> Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
> The Oldsmobile Stable:
>      1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...    
>      1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
>      1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
> 
> 
Tom's, Jason's and my car are all on www.442.com (owners registry)
but Tom really needs to update his page with some interior shots... it is 
awesome....(hint, hint)

Al Varhus
0Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:18:36 -0400
From: Curt Salada <csalada@astea.com>
Subject: compression test

Hello.  I'd like to test the compression in each of the cylinders in my
Oldsmobile's engine, but I don't know how to interpret the results of
the test.  What guage readings would indicate ideal / acceptable / poor
compression?

The factory compression ratio for a 1971 Cutlass 350 was 8.5 to 1, I
believe.  What is this a ratio of?  In other words, what does the 8.5
represent and what does the 1 represent?  Does the compression ratio
have anything to do with the reading on the compression guage?

Thanks from an engine novice.
Curt Salada
1971 Cutlass for sale -- see it at
http://scils.rutgers.edu/~djcohen/curt/olds    

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 09:12:43 -0500
From: kovalj@dave-world.net (Justin Koval)
Subject: Re: 442 question

>
>Too bad (for you, that is, not for the buyer) you're trying to sell that
>'72; great car for a project or restoration.


I know..there is one small spot rusted in the frame..it is drivable, but we
do not caue we do not want to make it worse. unfortnetly, sorta short on
cash and can not afford to fix it..it is a beautiful car, but illinois
winter is catching up to it.  The paint has cracked in two spots, and thre
is rsome exterior rust in the same ol same ol spots...rear fenders....Maybe
if I get some cash....

Anyways...I was walking around ACe Auto Salvage in Tonica Illinois and found
either a 1971 or 1972 four door cutlass Supreme .... He said it has a good
motor, it has all the tail lights/fixtures, and then it started rainign so
could not see the rest...but it is worth checking out...

Justin

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:46:26 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Emergency Engine Swap

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> >    5)  I'm assuming that all clearances should be fine.  I don't have
> >power breaks, so I don't really anticipate having           problems
> >there.   What about that hulking fiberglass box for the A/C?
> 
> Again, 350 motor mounts and non-Cutlass valve covers might result in some
> clearance problems. You might want to remedy one of those shortcomings.


I agree with Dr. Bob on most accounts, save for the valve-cover
clearance areas.  While it is true that power-assist brakes have
somewhat of a tight clearance, the stock, non-reliefed valve covers can
be installed and removed with creative maneuvering.  No problem at all
with manual brakes.  As far as the A/C evaporator housing goes, it was
the same regardless of which engine was offered, but the clearance
tightens up quite a bit with the 455, so changing the #8 spark plug can
get interesting.  

My 2 cents.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:29:57 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: compression test

At 10:18 AM 7/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello.  I'd like to test the compression in each of the cylinders in my
>Oldsmobile's engine, but I don't know how to interpret the results of
>the test.  What guage readings would indicate ideal / acceptable / poor
>compression?

Well, it's not so much the level of the gauge readings, but the variance
between the cylinders that you're looking for. Somebody posted a chart one
time containing the approximate psi you should expect for a given
compression ratio, but valve timing can make a big difference in cylinder
pressure, especially when the engine is not running at speed, so those are
approximations only. You'd like to have at least 100psi in all cylinders;
there are published figures for a minimum pressure, but I can't think
off-hand where I've seen them.

What you're really looking for, though, is one or more cylinders that vary
from the average pressure by 10%-15% or more. In that case, something might
be specifically wrong with that cylinder. For example, on my 8.0:1 403 with
220,000 miles on it, I had between 135-150psi in all cylinders, *except* #7,
which was at 90psi. Believe the problem was rings (didn't do a thorough
postmortem on it...). 

Just last week, my rebuilt 403 engine started missing, detonating and
running rough. All cylinders had between 168-175psi, *except* #'s 3 and 5,
which were both at 40psi. Simple to diagnose that as a blown head gasket
between those cylinders. Now that it's fixed, I'd like to take it for a
drive and check the pressure again, just to be sure.

You want to do the test when the engine is warm and the rings have expanded
from heat for better sealing (you might get inaccurate readings on a cold
engine). Also, block the throttle and choke wide-open so air can enter the
engine easily, and disconnect the power lead to the distributor.

>The factory compression ratio for a 1971 Cutlass 350 was 8.5 to 1, I
>believe.  What is this a ratio of?  In other words, what does the 8.5
>represent and what does the 1 represent?  

That's the ratio of the combustion chamber volume with the piston at top
dead center (represented by 1) to the volume with the piston at bottom dead
center (which would be 8.5 times that initial volume). There's a formula for
figuring it out exactly, if you can measure certain things.

>Does the compression ratio
>have anything to do with the reading on the compression guage?

Sort of, but other things can affect the psi that a healthy engine with a
given compression ratio should get, so it's not a direct relationship.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:39:26 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Exhaust-ing conclusion

At 08:00 AM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The exhaust guy said I have a exhaust leak in one of the
>mainfolds, and suggested I replace the gaskets.  I'll have
>to check the FAQ, but I seem to remember something
>about not using gaskets on the olds engines?

Gaskets are made for the exhaust, but I don't believe they were ever
installed by the factory; it was simply a "dry fit". The problem is quite
likely a warped mating surface on the manifold; if that's the case, a gasket
will only be a (very) temporary bandaid that will blow out surprisingly
quickly. The solution would be to get the manifold surfaced.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:39:23 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Emergency Engine Swap

At 10:46 AM 7/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I agree with Dr. Bob on most accounts, save for the valve-cover
>clearance areas.  While it is true that power-assist brakes have
>somewhat of a tight clearance, the stock, non-reliefed valve covers can
>be installed and removed with creative maneuvering.  No problem at all
>with manual brakes.  

Right; the interference is with the booster, not the master cylinder itself.
Would having the non-relief covers *and* the 350 mounts stack up the
tolerances so much that there would be no way of fitting it in there? It
would be nice if those 455-Cutlass specific pieces were not necessary.

>As far as the A/C evaporator housing goes, it was
>the same regardless of which engine was offered, but the clearance
>tightens up quite a bit with the 455, so changing the #8 spark plug can
>get interesting.  

heh... I ended up using the same procedure as on the #2 sparkplug under the
A/C bracket: sparkplug socket turned via open-end wrench. Tight, but doable.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:39:29 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: NON Olds - 61 Bonneville

At 12:21 AM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Yesterday I spotted a 61 Bonneville 2dr Bubbletop parked on the roadside
...
>he says he wants $3500/OBO for it.  Sounds good at first.  Body appears to
...
>opening.  Bumpers are fairly straight, with only slight dents and no rust
>or chrome flaking.  Now by the price guide the car has just dropped to
>around $1800-$2200.  Now don't get me wrong, the car is still great, with a
...
>it is still for sale, and then offer him $1500-2000 for it.  He said that
...
keep the other guys away from it  :-).  Can anyone offer some insight as to
>how much this car might really be worth?  I highly doubt that $3500 is
>reasonable for it.

I had a '60 Catalina before I went off to grad school, with 24,000 original
miles and body in better shape than what you described, that I had to sell
quickly. Originally I asked 3,000, then dropped to 2,500, 2,200, 2,000,
1,800, and finally, with only a couple weeks before my moving date, sold it
for what I originally purchased it for (before doing quite a bit of work to
it): $1500. This was 1988, though, so the value might have gone up.

The Bonneville is the top of the line car for that year (like the 98 would
be to the 88's- required Olds content), so it could command a higher price.
You'd really have to investigate how it ran, though, and how everything else
checked out.

I can tell you, though, that *I'd* love to have one of those cars again!!!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show

In a message dated 97-07-15 04:57:37 EDT, you write:

<< Heh! Don't forget about me, guys! :-)
 
 I am sorry I missed Tom, Jason and Al. I was, of course, driving my 
 Emerald Green Cutlass S and this WAS my first ever drag racing 
 experience. WHAT A BLAST!!! Thank You, Mark Prince for your enthusiasm as 
 it helped me to find the time to be a part of the event.
 
 The Results: My small block Cutlass ran a best of 14.27 @ 97.18 MPH, 
 dialed at 14.30, on my skinny radials and no tach. to boot! Occurred in 
 the third round of stock elimination and I got beat by car #681 who ran 
 12.925 with a dial of 12.93. Jason, was this you? Did any of you guys see 
 me?
 
 Mark, A special congratulations for your accomplishments this past 
 weekend!
 
 To the rest of the guys in attendance, Congrats for your awards and, 
 Hell, just for showin' up!
 
 Can't wait for next year!
 Regards,
 Mike Hall >>
Mike totaly suprised me by showing up at a friends house to travel to Norwalk
with us.  What do you know the internet does work.

Congrats on your third round, You did get 25.00 for third round didnt you
Mike.
Mikes car is super clean and runs real strong.  Next well get him to get the
BF
Goodrich Drag Radials and he will turn mid 13's easily and Mike I am offering
to help you install a tach, you definetly need one.
As for Tom's car, it was the 79 red Custom Cutlass next to mine. Jason had
the only 
white 80 442 there and Al had his 79 Cutlass but unfort I didnt see it.

Also Mark Cornea was there with his 70 W-30 and Gary Rubrich was there with
his
72 442 bamboo color and Brian Lorway was there but no car :( but he will have
his next year, he called me personally.

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 12:22:54 -0400
From: Steve.Selinger@astramerck.com
Subject: '71 Cutlass

Curt Salada, how much is the '71 going for and what are some specifics of the
car?


Steve

Steve.Selinger@Astramerck.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:43:31 CDT
From: "Clyde H. Hedgcoth, Jr." <chedgcot@mail.mac.cc.mo.us>
Subject: 1981 Cutlass

Does anyone know where I can find any information about the 1981 
Cutlasses?  I just bought one for a work car.

Many thanks,


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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 10:01:00 -0700
From: enowacki@titan.com (Erik Nowacki)
Subject: Re: Emergency Engine Swap

>>As far as the A/C evaporator housing goes, it was
>>the same regardless of which engine was offered, but the clearance
>>tightens up quite a bit with the 455, so changing the #8 spark plug can
>>get interesting.  
>
>heh... I ended up using the same procedure as on the #2 sparkplug under the
>A/C bracket: sparkplug socket turned via open-end wrench. Tight, but doable.

I jack up the car and change the #8 plug from underneath.  I figured it was
faster than trying to jam my hand between the evaporator housing and the head. 

Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 05:23:40
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: Good Headers-please read!

At 08:32 AM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Okay, first I want to know if anyone knows if Heddman Hedders are made
>for a 73 Cutlass w/350 TH350 and a/c? If they are, which should I get:
>
>1. Heddman
I have heddmann HTC ceramic's on my 73, they are real pretty, and kinda
expensive but worth it I figure...

they were a real bitch to put on tho, you'll want to replace your motor
mounts, just for the sake of it, and you'll have to raise your rocket 2 to
3 inches to get them on.

Chris Matthes
73 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:01:22 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show

At 04:47 AM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The Results: My small block Cutlass ran a best of 14.27 @ 97.18 MPH, 
>dialed at 14.30, on my skinny radials and no tach. to boot! Occurred in 
>the third round of stock elimination and I got beat by car #681 who ran 
>12.925 with a dial of 12.93. Jason, was this you? Did any of you guys see 
>me?

Hehe, I wish. My 80 442 W-30 ran a best of 16.33@84. I was the fastest 442
in my class (80-87 442) that were bone stock. Funny too because those
85-87's have 20 more horses and 3.73 rears compared to my 2.73. I remember
your car, it ran and looked great. 

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) Akron, OH
93 Camaro Z/28.....14.185 @ 98.70
80 Olds 442 W-30...2nd Place '97 Olds Nats
75 Hurst/Olds W-25

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:03:37 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: SPAM!!

Greg,

I'm just back from yet another vacation (I have to work for a whole month
now, before I have any more vacation time scheduled  :-0)  Anyway, I just
read the digest with the home-marketing message and your reply.  In the
past I've been a member of the classic Thunderbird list which is one to
which only members can post.  My experience there has led me to believe
that such a closed list is somewhat inconvenient and didn't entirely
prevent the posting of such undesired and unrelated spam.  The senders just
took the time and effort to join the list first, posted their garbage, and
got booted.  Since a closed list would be alot more work for you, my vote
is to maintain things as they are until and unless we get hit with such
things more often.  I hope that this helps.

Tom Stoner
Ann Arbor, MI

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:59:52 -0400
From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Subject: Re: 1981 Cutlass

> Does anyone know where I can find any information about the 1981 
> Cutlasses?  I just bought one for a work car.

This is a great place to ask questions all of mine get answered!!!

Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme (under construction)
80 Mustang (Winter beater haha)
80 Camaro (ah the memories)

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:25:18 -0700
From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

Thanks for all the advice.  The swap was a breeze!

I used the variable springs.  Got them for about $90
at NAPA. (Year One wanted upwards of $145 for 
original specs ...)

I was shocked at the height difference between
old and new.  old was at least 2 inches taller ...

Rides great now.

I used 2 3-ton jack stands on each side while
I was underneath.

The only thing I worried about was what to  do if
we had an earthquake while I was under there...

(no joke - we've been getting 3-4 Richter scale
shakes lately ...)


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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:20:21 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Headers

Thanks for all the Help. I appreciate it Now lets Hope that they fit.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 15:58:11 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Hedders

I wanted to thank all of you for the info. Sorry it took so long to 
respond our email is down..Using Wingate and it does not want to 
autodial and log in..So Thanks 

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:00:23 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show

Jason Labay wrote:
> 
> Hehe, I wish. My 80 442 W-30 ran a best of 16.33@84. I was the fastest 442
> in my class (80-87 442) that were bone stock. Funny too because those
> 85-87's have 20 more horses and 3.73 rears compared to my 2.73. I remember
> your car, it ran and looked great.
> 
Congrats, Jason!  16.33 was the fastest 80-87 car??  I haven't raced my
'84 H/O, but all of the magazine tests and factory literature that I've
seen puts it between 15.5-16.0.  Veeery interesting. . .

I suppose living 10 minutes away from a drag strip I have no excuse not
to go out and verify that, huh?

I found a well-used, but still running, '79 H/O (interesting that these
have _both_ W-30 and H/O emblems) down the street from where I work. 
I'm going to leave a note on the window to see if it's for sale.  What's
a fair price for a '79 H/O that's fairly well beat up (little dents all
over, but nothing major), half the emblems and trim gone, non-stock
wheels, interior trashed, not very rusty, probably very high mileage?

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:11:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

In a message dated 97-07-15 14:41:31 EDT, you write:

> I was shocked at the height difference between
>  old and new.  old was at least 2 inches taller ...
>  

Did this affect the ride height?

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:18:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: Surge, stumble, and lack of power

In a message dated 97-07-14 12:49:08 EDT, you write:

> My '84 H/O (307, Q-jet) developed a surging and slight lack of power
>  problem after some recent changes I made.  The symptom is that at about
>  50-60mph or more, it slightly surges and doesn't seem to have as much
>  top-end power as it used to.  Continual driving over 70mph also gets the
>  temp gauge up higher than it should be (not to overheating levels
>  though).  

This might be a carb jetting problem.  Try richer jetting.
  
>  I've made two modifications recently.  Unfortunately I did them both at
>  the same time (only change _one_ *whack* variable *whack* at a time
>  *whack* *whack*.  There, I've been punished).  The most likely cause is
>  the carburetor base gasket.  Last fall I upgraded to an Edelbrock
>  Performer dual-plane intake, but I used the stock carb base gasket which
>  was all I could find at the time (which has been working fine since). 
>  It came upon me a while ago that this _open_ gasket was probably
>  completely defeating the purpose of having a dual-plane intake so I
>  decided to switch to a 4-hole gasket.  The 4-hole gasket has definitely
>  helped response, low end power (up to about 3000rpm), and even gas
>  mileage a little (!).  The other change I did was installing an MSD-6AL
>  unit.  I didn't know what plug gap to use since the docs say you can
>  widen the stock gap to 0.065 max, but my stock gap is 0.080, so I
>  e-mailed MSD and they said use 0.080 but they didn't sound very sure of
>  themselves (it's not a Chevy, so they're lost).  They also recommended
>  one heat range colder than stock, and did not recommend any particular
>  brand of plugs.  Right now I have new stock AC R46SX plugs in at 0.080. 
>  The MSD unit seems to work just great, it starts *much* easier, and it's
>  just generally smoother all around, except it sometimes idles a bit
>  rough (not bad though, very tolerable) when in gear and the engine is
>  hot.  A third change I did was to check the timing, somehow it got
>  retarded (set at about 16 degrees advanced) so I reset it to the stock
>  20 deg. advanced.

Your spark gap is probably fine.  If the gap was too wide the engine would
miss at all rpms.

>  My best guess is that the gasket change (maybe combined with the K&N
>  filter and cold-air induction I put on last year) I made caused the
>  secondaries to be a bit lean, but I wanted to ask the lists' opinion
>  before trying richer secondary metering rods.  If the recommendation is
>  to richen up the secondaries, how many steps should I go?  Currently it
>  has the stock DA rods.  If I understand the carb correctly, the mixture
>  control solenoid only works on the primaries, right?  So then the
>  secondaries aren't computer controlled?

Correct.  Try richer rods.
  
>  The fuel filter is new, and I haven't gotten any computer error codes
>  (like lean exhaust) either.  I've also thought that it could be the
>  secondaries opening at the wrong point (too soon?  would the vacuum
>  characteristics of the motor change with the dual-plane intake?), or
>  maybe something to do with the plugs (need cooler plugs with narrower
>  gap?).
>  
>  Thanks in advance for the help!
>  

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:21:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: Big rear tires?

In a message dated 97-07-15 00:32:16 EDT, you write:

> I would like to know what the biggest tire size I can run on SSII rims
>  (15 X 7) on my 70 442.  Can I go as big as 275/60R15?
>  thanks
>  Brad

From past experience, I would not recommend going larger than 255s on a 7 in.
rim.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 13:23:27 -0700
From: Jar Lyons <jarl@atrieva.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs - ride height

PaulP34167@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-07-15 14:41:31 EDT, you write:
> 
> > I was shocked at the height difference between
> >  old and new.  old was at least 2 inches taller ...
> >
> 
> Did this affect the ride height?
> 
> Paul Pate
> 70 Cutlass S
> 84 Camaro LG4

It sits at least 2 inches higher now with the shorter
newer springs.

Someone posted last week or so how the springs will
'stretch' over time, tho that seems the opposite
of what you'd expect.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:35:01 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Good Headers-please read!

Chris Matthes wrote:
> 
> At 08:32 AM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Okay, first I want to know if anyone knows if Heddman Hedders are made
> >for a 73 Cutlass w/350 TH350 and a/c? If they are, which should I get:
> >
> >1. Heddman
> I have heddmann HTC ceramic's on my 73, they are real pretty, and kinda
> expensive but worth it I figure...
> 
> they were a real bitch to put on tho, you'll want to replace your motor
> mounts, just for the sake of it, and you'll have to raise your rocket 2 to
> 3 inches to get them on.

Thanx Chris. But I don't know if I want the guys at Larry's to go to all
that trouble. I need input on Hooker and Flowtech if anyone has any.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:37:04 EDT
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: Emergency Engine Swap

On this note...could I buy and install a 455 starter on my 350?  Would it
be a better/stronger starter (or whatever)?

>>    4)  What about small parts...will the starter bolt up still?
>
>Yes, but it is not as strong as the 455 starter, so you might have 
>hot-start
>problems, especially if the starter you have is a bit worn out.

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Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 05:47:31
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: Good Headers-please read!

At 04:35 PM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Chris Matthes wrote:
>> 
>> At 08:32 AM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Okay, first I want to know if anyone knows if Heddman Hedders are made
>> >for a 73 Cutlass w/350 TH350 and a/c? If they are, which should I get:
>> >
>> >1. Heddman
>> I have heddmann HTC ceramic's on my 73, they are real pretty, and kinda
>> expensive but worth it I figure...
>> 
>> they were a real bitch to put on tho, you'll want to replace your motor
>> mounts, just for the sake of it, and you'll have to raise your rocket 2 to
>> 3 inches to get them on.
>
>Thanx Chris. But I don't know if I want the guys at Larry's to go to all
>that trouble. I need input on Hooker and Flowtech if anyone has any.
>
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>
you'll have this basic clearance problem whatever brand you go with, just
look at your engine compartment dude...there is ziltch for clearance...
you'll also need to change oil filter size, i can provide the number if and
when you get that far...

Chris Matthes
73 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:06:15 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Good Headers-please read!

Chris Matthes wrote:
> 
> At 08:32 AM 7/15/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Okay, first I want to know if anyone knows if Heddman Hedders are made
> >for a 73 Cutlass w/350 TH350 and a/c? If they are, which should I get:
> >
> >1. Heddman
> I have heddmann HTC ceramic's on my 73, they are real pretty, and kinda
> expensive but worth it I figure...

I really don't want "pretty" either. What's the use of the ceramic
coating? What does it do? I just really want functionality, but if
they'll look good for awhile, that'd be nice too. Has anybody ever heard
of a header trick like this: paint them Competition Orange so that when
they heat up they change color to a deep red. When a cylinder's not
firing right, it stays orange? This worked on my dad's C*rvette and I'm
wondering if this is a fairly common trick and I should get it done
also.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:19:32 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Emergency Engine Swap

Erik Nowacki wrote:
> 
> >>As far as the A/C evaporator housing goes, it was
> >>the same regardless of which engine was offered, but the clearance
> >>tightens up quite a bit with the 455, so changing the #8 spark plug can
> >>get interesting.
> >
> >heh... I ended up using the same procedure as on the #2 sparkplug under the
> >A/C bracket: sparkplug socket turned via open-end wrench. Tight, but doable.
> 
> I jack up the car and change the #8 plug from underneath.  I figured it was
> faster than trying to jam my hand between the evaporator housing and the head.
> 
> Erik Nowacki
> 1972 Vista Cruiser
Eric,

It was easier to change some of the plugs on my 69 S with a/c from
underneath than trying to hang in the bay and use wierd gyrations.  It
was easier to use a jack and jackstands.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:56:46 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Updated web page

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just want to let everyone know I've updated my web page with a neat
> little section of "Olds Ads from Yesteryear".  Currently there are two
> new ones, but more are on the way, including a 65 442, the first GM
> proposed auto navigation system (Olds dash featured), Rallye 350, 70
> W-30, and other neat ads of the eras.  You just have to check back now
> and then.  It's always nostalgic to look at these ads possibly seeing
> YOUR car type displayed.  Funny though, every ad I've checked was
> specialty/performance cars (442, H/O, W-Machine, Rallye).  I haven't
> seen one Cutlass/88/98/Toro one yet in all these old Hot Rod books.
> 
> Mike Rothe
> http://pages.prodigy.net/mrothe/rocket.html

I was up at a nearby antique ma;; recently and they have a TON of old
car ads nicely cut of of magazines.  I found one for my 66 Cutlass and I
recall seeing a nice 67 442 ad.  There were tons of Olds stuff, If you
would like I could scan my 66 ad and send it your way?  It's an ad about
how GM cars can handle short trips all day without the engine warming
up, because their test cars do it 24 hours a day.  NICE red Cutlass too.
- -- 

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      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 19:20:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tornado697@aol.com
Subject: MY FAN!!

  CAN SOMEONE HELP ME WITH MY FAN.? i have a 1983 olds toronado with a 307
4barrel and have had big problems with the fan hitting the radiator when i
accelorate. I have replaced the motor mounts on the front of the motor, and
it still rubbes the radiator shroud, am i the only one who has this problem?
i have seen several bent and scratched fans in the Junk yard and wonder if
this is common, if oyu know anything about this please contact me..

tornado697@aol.com
george fiore

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 16:48:25 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Secondary Metering Rods

PaulP34167@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Correct.  Try richer rods.
> 
Thanks for the advice Paul.  I went down to the local carb shop (old guy
that rebuilds carbs and does nothing else, nice guy, I've done business
with him lots of times) and asked about some secondary rods.  He said
that the books don't list the secondary rods by code, like they do
primary rods, and there's no rhyme or reason that he's ever seen to the
codes.  So he can't tell what rods would be richer.  The rods I have now
are stamped DA, can anyone here (maybe somebody who ordered that big set
of carb books?) tell me what the next richest rod (or two) would be?  

If somebody knows, I think this would be good info for the FAQ!

Thanks!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 14:10:12 +0700
From: odang@vico.co.id (Jusuf R. Odang)
Subject: Engine ID number

Hi guys,

Me, from Jakarta back again with a minor problem.
I have to re-register my 1965 delta 88 to the car registration office.
They need to know the engine number, but we have been trying to find it
without success ??? Its strange!!
Can anybody out there help me the exact location for such number on the engine??
Appreciated very much your help !!

jusuf

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 17:28:20 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: W/Z manifolds avalable!!!

I am getting rid of a matching pair of W/Z manifolds.  They are in
working order, but not quite concours.  
	I want to trade for 2 SSII 15X7 or 15X8.  I need center caps, beauty
rings, and bezals too.
e-mail me privately at bodog@napanet.net if you are interested.
Thanks
Brad

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:39:51 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Secondary Metering Rods

At 04:48 PM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>PaulP34167@aol.com wrote:
>> Correct.  Try richer rods.
>> 
>Thanks for the advice Paul.  I went down to the local carb shop (old guy
[snip]
>that the books don't list the secondary rods by code, like they do
>primary rods, and there's no rhyme or reason that he's ever seen to the
>codes.  So he can't tell what rods would be richer.  The rods I have now
>are stamped DA, can anyone here (maybe somebody who ordered that big set
>of carb books?) tell me what the next richest rod (or two) would be?  

Well, the "big carb book" doesn't list them either, but that's only one of
the essential books you'd want; the other is Roe's "Rochester Carburetor",
which has a chart listing the different secondary rods by code and part
number, along with their diameter at different throttle openings. Of course,
this makes it a bit tedious to find out the *richest* rod (there are dozens
listed), as some will be richer than others sooner, but not get as rich as
the others would eventually get. What would be nice is to have a
spreadsheet, from which you could graph the profile of the rod and compare
profiles.

Ideally, you could check your air/fuel ratio with an O2 sensor as the
secondaries opened up, and tailor the mixture by matching the taper of the
rod to the required fuel-curve. There's a common set of rods, however, which
range from richer to leaner, that serve as a general-purpose tuning set.
These are listed in the Roe book, and I think they popped up in the Qjet
article that is now posted on the Toronado FAQ page, under "First
Generation", "Quadrajets".
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:39:48 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

At 11:25 AM 7/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I used the variable springs.  Got them for about $90
>at NAPA. (Year One wanted upwards of $145 for 
>original specs ...)
>
>I was shocked at the height difference between
>old and new.  old was at least 2 inches taller ...

Hmmm, I've got a couple of pairs of springs for my SX that I was considering
replacing the originals with. First, a pair from a Vista Cruiser, which have
a pretty high static height. Second, a near-identical pair from a '70 4-door
car. Finally, a new set of springs, supposedly original replacements, but
with a much lower static height. I was afraid that the new springs would
lower the ride-height, but maybe not? Well, I guess it's easy enough to
change the spring and find out for myself, now, isn't it...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:41:47 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Engine ID number

At 02:10 PM 7/16/97 +0700, you wrote:
>Me, from Jakarta back again with a minor problem.
>I have to re-register my 1965 delta 88 to the car registration office.
>They need to know the engine number, but we have been trying to find it
>without success ??? Its strange!!

Huh... Why not give them the casting number from the shelf on the block
behind the water pump? What are they going to do, compare it to another '65
Delta 88 with a 425 in Jakarta?

>Can anybody out there help me the exact location for such number on the
engine??

If this is not already listed in the FAQ, under engine ID, it should be.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 20:56:06 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: BB Motor Mounts- Availability?

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
>
> One of these "mightaswells" is the motor mounts. I've seen these in the
> resto catalogs for about $40-$50, but just thought I'd call my local Auto
> Palace chain store, and sure enough, they're available for a 1970 455 at
> about $12.95/each.
> 

Bob, I would be careful with these, In my experience most of the parts
from Auto Palace are junk...I have know a few people who have bought
there parts only to end up returning them later.....
 
> My question concerns people's experience with the fit and quality of these
> standard aftermarket parts; has anyone bought mounts that are specifically
> designed for the Big-block cars, or might this part be a "1964-1988, A-body,
> w/260,307,330,350,400,403 or 455" type application? I'd like to hear from
> people who have bought mounts that fit perfectly, but especially from those
> who bought such mounts, and just could not get them to fit right.

I personally have had excellent results with TRW and Big A motor
mounts(which I think are TRW reboxed) in my deceased 70 Cutlass that had
a 350 and my 71 Cutlass S with its 455 sitting on 350 mounts...


> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:27:08 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: digest 744 reply

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 


Hi Chris,

You said you still had the setup somewhere?  Excellent!  Now when you
say setup, do you mean you have the actual exhaust system, or just a
diagram?  If you could send me a copy of a diagram for it, I'd certainly
appreciate it.  If you still have the actual exh. system, and you have
no real use for it, lets talk $$$.

I'd like to use the exact setup you talked about, with a pair of Cherry
Bomb glasspacks, and a set of 3" chrome "boom tips".  I want a little
sound, can't you tell?

S. Dave Ward	(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

"You could smash my Olds to pieces, or throw it in a lake, but it could
still out-run a Z-28!"

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 Chev Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)


> '78 Delta Duals:
> I bought a parts car with custom-made duals: right after the cat, it split into
> two, onw ran about 45 degrees off to the LH side of the car. Other followed the
> usual path. Still have that setup somewhere. It was new, too. It worked.
> 
> -- my wife [Rocketette@aol.com - someone PLEASE email her a howdy!] suggests:
> 
> You can set my Olds on fire
> An' roll it into Hell,
> But I still wouldn't trade it
> For a stinkin' ol' Chevelle
> 
> I do believe there's a song in here somewhere, need a few more verses. I hear
> there's a country song out now about the "Rocket 88", I always said what we
> need is an Olds-specific song along the lines of "409" or "Little Douche Cup"
> ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Deuce Coupe.... or "Hot Rod Lincoln" or "Little GTO".
> 
> Not to go w/o the typical [in good sport] Ch*vy bashing:
> Iroc = It's Really Only a Camaro
> 
>

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:35:01 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Authenticity..

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
>      Thanks for the response. First off, I'm wrong about the wheel covers.
> They don't match the photos. They are a one piece design with no visible part
> no. on them.
> If you were to set one face up on the floor, it has a central section,
> slightly coned up about 10" in diameter with an Olds rocket outline insignia
> stamped in and filled in with black paint. Then it has a series of "vanes"
> (80 of em) that start down, then curve out to the solid edge, the section of
> vane almost touching he floor being stamped thru for ventilation. Who knows
> what has happened to the car thru the years.

These sound almost like they would belong on a '76 Delta.  Wouldn't have
the part # for those anyway...

>      Yes, I am absolutly sure my car is a 66. The number on the air cleaner
> is
> 643_304. Sorry but the 4th digit is almost gone. Hope that's enuff info.

6424303 is the air cleaner used for '67 F85s w/400 2bbl w/ PCV motor and
'67 5400, 5600 & 5800 series w/2bbl PCV motor.  PCV equipment wasn't
available in CA as far as I can tell, as those cars had a K20 closed
ventilation system.  This meant that there was a hole in the back of the
air cleaner housing for a pipe to fit into from the valve cover.  Your's
shouldn't have that hole, 'cause it's a 49 state PCV system.  As I said
last evening, this is a '67 only option, but I'm sure it fits and works
great in your '66.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 18:41:13 -0700
From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Re: Good Headers-please read!

> I'm stumped but I need an answer ASAP so I can start ordering the parts!
> I know Hookers are about $120 from Jegs, Heddman says about $90 in
> Summit, and I still haven't gotten a confirmed reply from Flowtech.

Is that $120/$90 price specifically for a '73 Cutlass or for 'Most
applications'?  My Summit catalog did that, and I expected the Heddman
Hedders for my '67 442 to be around $90-100 and ended up paying $150 for
them.  Most applications = Small block chevy in a Camaro/Chevelle/Nova I
think.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:38:15 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Authenticity..

At 04:38 PM 7/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings all,
>
>     I have some questions on the authenticity of a couple of things on my 66
>Dynamic convert. First, the car has 15" wheels on it, but a 14" spare.
>All of the literature I can find on the car sez that it came with 14's.
>However the
>wheel covers match the covers that are in the photos I have, and they fit the
>15s,
>NOT the 14" spare. Factory or dealer option?
>                                        
>      Second, the air cleaner is roughly rectangular (about 18x23 ") with two
>rect. outlets on either side facing forward, a pre-heat outlet on the pass.
>side,
>a pcv outlet on the drivers side and a small vacuum fitting on the rear that
>controls
>two vacuum actuators inside the housing. Is this an Olds air cleaner? It
>looks like
>some Bui*k air cleaners I've seen. And by the way, it has the orig.( or at
>least its
>a 66) 425 w/ 2 bbl.
>
>     Thanks in advance
>
>     Dave T.
>
Dave

        What you have is an original Themoclimate Intake system. This was
used in 66 and 67 to maintain more consistant air inlet temps for improved
mileage. The aircleaner should be Black with a Oldsmobile sticker on top
saying Climatic Combustion Control. These are fairly rare to find complete.
Sounds like you have a neat car.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:37:50 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Story Olds

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> What ever happened to Story Oldsmobile.  I was told they were the
> largest Oldsmobile dealer in the Country.
> Paul Hartlieb
> 
> Yeah, that must be the name I could not recall. Late night typing...
> 
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu


Hi again Chris,

I live just outside of Peterborough, Ontario, and there's a Bill Storey
GM dealership there.  If your looking parts, let me know, because I go
snowmobiling with the Service Manager.  He does a little work out of his
garage, and I'll tell you...he is a *surgeon* with Quadrajet carbs.

S. Dave Ward

"You could set my Olds on fire, or piss on it 'til it's wet, but I still
wouldn't trade it for lead-heavy Corvette!" (I used to have one,
actually)

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 Chev Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:28:27 -0400
From: S/P 0666 <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show

Did any of you guys see the white mid 80's Cutlass on the trailer for
sale?  It was tubbed and roll caged minus motor and trans.  I didnt even
get the number figuring the wife would shoot down my big plans of buying
it.  But now I find out that I can prob. swing the deal.  Any chance one
of you guys in attendance got the phone number.. :)  

Thanks, Ken

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:46:55 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: A fair guestimation of worth: 1967 442

The car in question:

1967 442 Convertible 4 speed
non matching motor     (67 425)
non matching trans     (m-21 close ratio)
non matching posi rear (4:11)
non original mag wheels
interion liveable but rough (wrong color, rips in buckets)
small cracks in dash pad
power top (works but needs new lines, top in good condition, rear window
zipper ripped)
non original paint (fair condition)
bumpers have slight peeling but no rust
frame rock solid
rebuilt front end
new brakes
looks like a million dollars from about 10 feet :P
but get closer than 5feet and.. :(

I was pondering selling it,  need to get 4500.00 out of it to pay off
the note.
I know I could sell it to someone who just thinks it looks cool, but
would there
be any interest amongst the Olds enthusiasts?  Would also trade for a
hardtop in same condition.  Have pictures if anyone wants to see it.

Ken

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:51:02 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Olds Natl's - Best liscense plate bracket

1970 Cutlass SX 

    This Oldsmobile Eats Fords & Sh*ts Mopars   :)

Ken

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 21:55:04 -0400
From: pteubel@imail.safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Subject: Tranny swap help (was Re: 1931 Owners)

     Yes, that's true.  But they're a nice bunch of guys (and gals?) who 
     are always willing to help.  I have a '51 98 that's I'm currently 
     working on.
     
     In fact, perhaps you (or someone else) can help with this question.  I 
     need a tranny for my '51 98.  I saw a 50?/51? Olds Futuramic 88 at 
     Harry's U-Pull-It (Hazleton, PA).  Will that tranny fit my 303 Rocket? 
      I would think so, but not quite sure.
     
     - Pete
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera


______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: Re: 1931 owners ?
Author:  "Bruce Marshall" <bruce@shore.net> at imail
Date:    7/8/97 3:07 PM


Robert:
     
I have a 1941 Olds.  This list seems to be dominated by muscle car folks 
eh?
Picture of my car on my web page.  http://www.shore.net/~bruce/
     
Bruce Marshall
NAOC #151
     
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> From: Hebert, Robert <HEBEROB@statcan.ca>
> To: question oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> 
> Subject: 1931 owners ?
> Date: Tuesday, July 08, 1997 1:37 PM 
> 
> 
> Is there anybody out there that owns a 1931 Oldsmobile ? I own a 1931 
> Oldsmobile 4 door sedan Deluxe.
> 
> Hope to hear from anyone.
> 
> Robert Hébert
> heberob@statcan.ca

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:15:17 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

Cliff McFarlane wrote:
> 

Hi Cliff,

I'm not far at all from London...I live just outside of Peterborough,
which is about 250 miles away.  I would have loved to have been there,
and proudly shown off my '78 Delta 88.  It would have been tough to get
it there...a tow truck would have been needed.  All the car needs is a
brake system restoration (that's IT?), so it's undriveable as we speak.

I'll be there next year...I even have relatives there.

S. Dave Ward

"You could set my Olds on fire, or piss on it 'til it's wet, but I still
wouldn't trade it for a lead-heavy Corvette!"

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl-110K mi)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl-105K mi)
'91 Chev Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI-45K mi)
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I just got back from the OCC summer nationals in London Ontario. The
> Show was held on Saturday & Sunday, judging on Sunday. There was a grand
> total of 76 cars that were at the show, some really beautiful cars were
> there. There was a blue, 1936 Olds that was just beautiful, it got a
> perfect score of 1000 points. There was also another 72 Olds 442 conv
> that got a score of 999 points, it was another great looking car. The
> long distance award went to a couple that came from Nova Scotia, if I'm
> not mistaken I think they brought a 72 4-door, 2-tone green, with a
> green interior, a really nice color. There was a few people from across
> the border that even showed up, which was really nice to see. There was
> a 1922 Olds Fire Truck, a 1941 Olds built on Australlia (it was 1 of 73
> made, right hand drive, REALLY rare) and a really nice '63 98 sport
> coupe. I could go on, and on, there was just so many nice cars at the
> show, but I know none of you would ever read the letter to the end. Well
> I'd just like to say any of you that are in a reasonable distance to
> London Ontario, next year you should try to come out to this beautiful
> 2-day event, I know for me it was really worth it this year!
> P.S. I got first place in my category!!!
> 
> Cliff McFarlane
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Sport Coupe.

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 22:37:31 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

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> From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals
> Date: svçtdiena, 1997. gada 13. jűlijs 22:51
> 
> Hello everyone, 
> 
> I just got back from the OCC summer nationals in London Ontario. The
> Show was held on Saturday & Sunday, judging on Sunday. There was a grand
> total of 76 cars that were at the show, some really beautiful cars were
> there. There was a blue, 1936 Olds that was just beautiful, it got a
> perfect score of 1000 points. There was also another 72 Olds 442 conv
> that got a score of 999 points, it was another great looking car. The
> long distance award went to a couple that came from Nova Scotia, if I'm
> not mistaken I think they brought a 72 4-door, 2-tone green, with a
> green interior, a really nice color. There was a few people from across
> the border that even showed up, which was really nice to see. There was
> a 1922 Olds Fire Truck, a 1941 Olds built on Australlia (it was 1 of 73
> made, right hand drive, REALLY rare) and a really nice '63 98 sport
> coupe. I could go on, and on, there was just so many nice cars at the
> show, but I know none of you would ever read the letter to the end. Well
> I'd just like to say any of you that are in a reasonable distance to
> London Ontario, next year you should try to come out to this beautiful
> 2-day event, I know for me it was really worth it this year!
> P.S. I got first place in my category!!! 
> 
> Cliff McFarlane 
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Sport Coupe.

Congrats!

What class were you in?  With which car did you win this prestigious award?
 Do you have any pictures on the net that we could see?

I won second place with my black 2 door Cutlass Supreme , the one with the
6 banger in it, maybe you saw it in the field by the voleyball court?  (The
same one that was written off about 2 months ago).  I was in the "Street
Stock" class #17A.

Wasn't it a beautiful day?  A bit too hot so we went for a swim in the
river while the judging was going on.  Next year I'll ask for a spot in the
shade.

________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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