
oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, July 15 1997        Volume 01 : Number 755



ADMIN: *%&$#@&! 
rear end gears 364
Rubber List
Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?
Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?
Iola reminiscing
Mime-Version: 1.0
Re: 3.4L V6, high rev when starting
Introduction and Questions
I'm Stumped
Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show
Re: I'm Stumped
RE: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals
Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?
RE: I'm Stumped
Re: Rebuilding an engine
Re: Introduction and Questions
Re: rear end gears 364
66 taillight for sale
Re: rear end gears 364
Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?
Re: More Car-buying Adventures...
Surge, stumble, and lack of power
Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals
67 442 conv found in AL
junkyard find
Big rear tires?
Distinction at Lansing
Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals
Re: Buttons
RE: 
RE: Wrong Fan clutch
Parts Voice - Can this be true?
Re: Authenticity..
More on the Olds Nats...
Brought home my new 72 442 tonight
Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 07:46:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: *%&$#@&! 

Gang,

Sorry for the problem (again!) with the bad address from uchicago.edu 
causing the endless loop. That's the second Monday morning in a row. I 
have removed the address causing the problem from both lists and written 
to the site administrator there asking him to *please* get his act 
together and reconfigure his mail system so that it works the way it 
should and not bounce stuff back to the list.

With all the misconfigured mail systems I see here as admin, I can only 
guess that it's really hard to find good help these days!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:05:42 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: rear end gears 364

I am looking for a set of 364 rear end gears for an Olds powered 40 
Willys hot rod. Does anyone have any idea were he can get these..
                              Thank You Larry  Wb3kjg
    6    2    s    t    a    r    f    i    r    e

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:44:32 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Rubber List

Uh, is it safe yet?

I just want everyone to know that I did NOT, repeat NOT try to mailbomb
the list.  It just isn't my style.  I don't have any idea what happened
witht the bouncing list, except Greg B. said there was some problem in
Chicago....and it happened last Monday.

I would've never sent the message if I had known it would've done that.

Sorry for any inconvenience it has caused you......hopefully you will
only get this message once.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:51:43 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?

At 07:46 AM 7/13/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Driving around yesterday looking for cheap wheels, I encountered a unique
>car for sale. It's a '75 Buick Lesabre 4-dr sedan.

SNIP

>Any idea what something like this is worth? 


Greg,

In #1 condition, this car isn't worth more than around $4000.  From what
you describe, it could be rated at #3, or perhaps #2 if there's absolutely
no deterioration at all.  In #3 condition, it's price would be in the mid
teens (perhaps $1800?).  There's no way it's worth $5K unless he can find
someone who had one once before and is duplicating a memory.  Or they're
trying to fix up a '75 LeSabre convertible and desperately need whatever
parts will interchange.


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:20:11 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?

Worth is a relative term in this case.  A nice low milage automobile has
been described.  If you found a comparable late model car with the same
milage and in the same condition, what would you pay for it?  If a
person was to pay more than what the current price guides say, would you
really get hurt?  A person could drive this car a long time and not
loose as much money in depreciation as you would with a new car.  If I
was in the market for a family car and had the cash, I would buy it in a
heartbeat.

My $.02
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 08:47:55 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Iola reminiscing

I was at Iola on Saturday. It really does take 2 days to cover! The swap 
area is huge!! Some really, really good buys. Stuff priced or can deal 
resulting in pretty good prices. Some high priced, but walk a little ways, 
and there it is cheaper! Good buys on jack stands an air hose - remember to 
buy on the way out (your arms will thank you!), or maybe a vendor will 
store it for you - really.

Cars for sale were very steep!! Talked to a guy who had a '77 Cutlass Salon 
260 5 speed. Remember that discussion? He walked up as the three of us were 
discussing it. He too had been told "that just doesn't exist"! Was pretty 
happy someone else knew about them. Told him about the list, 442.com.

Well, picked up a couple of treasures, wish I would have had another day 
there, but planning two days for next year. Most of the Olds' were 
corralled next to the Olds/REO tent. Pretty nice! The Olds '54 c*rv*tte 88 
concept car was there. Really sharp!

One T-shirt place I walked by had about eight Olds transfers, including two 
that defined 442. Standard car show equipment for 442 owners? No W-30, 31 
or 32 shirts, so you'll continue to explain the oil weight emblems on your 
fenders! That goes back a ways! $12 for a shirt - kicking myself for 
passing that up! 

Van's Auto Salvage (in Waupon, WI) was there. Talked to the son. They crushed 
1700 cars, 3000 remaining. They are trying to sell the place. It is open 
sometimes only on Saturday, from 8-noon, but you should call on Thursday or 
Friday to see if they really will be open.

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:54:17 -0400
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Mime-Version: 1.0

Hello 

I have just subscribed to this list today and thought I would
introduce myself.

I have two 69 442's 

Car 1 is a silver car w\black vinyl top, 4 spd, w\ a 455 .030 over and a
70 ram air hood.

Car 2 is a matching numbers basket case. My parents bought the car in
69 and it has been in the family since. It has been stored for the last 11
years. Shame on me, but the storage was not kind to the car. The car is
as plain as they came, a 400\400 column shifted car with the fawn
interior, no power options, no ac. It is the original drive train, 130,000 plus
miles, still have the protecto-plate. Had frame work done just before
storage.

 I am thinking of getting rid of car 2, so I have several questions:

1. Would any one be interested in a project car?
2. What would this be worth?
3. Should I just part it out?

 I would appreciate any comments or guidance any one may have.

Thanks,

Tony Molinaro
amolinaro@mbakercorp.com
Pittsburgh, Pa

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: 3.4L V6, high rev when starting

In a message dated 97-07-13 19:33:51 EDT, you write:

>  When I first start the engine, it revs up to about 2000 RPM, then
>  slowly drops down to normal idle at about 800-900.  I talked with the
>  service manager at the Olds Dealer (where I bought it used last  Feb),
>  and he said that it was OK.  I told him, and I'd like other opinions...
>  Wouldn't this be hard on the engine, especially in cold winter weather?  
>  Does anyone else out there have this same engine?  Does it exhibit these
>  same characteristics?   Any other opinions?

This is normal.  There is a computer controlled idle stop solenoid which
pushes the throttle lever to a set point.  This solenoid engages when the
engine is cold and when the air conditioning is on.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
84 Camaro LG4

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:10:57 -0400
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Introduction and Questions

Hello 

I have just subscribed to this list today and thought I would
introduce myself.

I have two 69 442's 

Car 1 is a silver car w\black vinyl top, 4 spd, w\ a 455 .030 over and a
70 ram air hood.

Car 2 is a matching numbers basket case. My parents bought the car in
69 and it has been in the family since. It has been stored for the last 11
years. Shame on me, but the storage was not kind to the car. The car is
as plain as they came, a 400\400 column shifted car with the fawn
interior, no power options, no ac. It is the original drive train, 130,000 plus
miles, still have the protecto-plate. Had frame work done just before
storage.

 I am thinking of getting rid of car 2, so I have several questions:

1. Would any one be interested in a project car?
2. What would this be worth?
3. Should I just part it out?
4. I also have a 69 Hurst\Olds hood scoop and air cleaner assembly. No  
   flapper section. Any comments on the price of this piece.
5. I also have a 69 W-30 chrome dual snorkel air cleaner assembly. Any  
   comments on price for this piece.

 I would appreciate any comments or guidance any one may have.

Thanks,

Tony Molinaro
amolinaro@mbakercorp.com
Pittsburgh, Pa

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:23:35 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: I'm Stumped

As a new member to the list I spent the last week reading the letters and
advice of the Collective thoughts and have decided to take advantage of a
great opportunity to tap into a wide variety of knowledge
I have a 1970 Cutlass Convertible that has now had a problem for 4 years
and after countless attempts to solve the problem I have bettered my engine
but still have not fixed the problem.
A brief description of my driveline  1972 455 F4 block .030 over TRW forged
Aluminum pistons .496 - .513 daul pattern Crane Cam ,Torker intake, 800cfm
Holley (6910), Mallory Unilite , J heads ( with quite and extensive shaping
and porting job) , TCI 2500 stall and 3.91 gears
Now for the problem .. I suffer from a popping sound through the exhaust
only (sound like a rev limitter engaging)
At revs below 2000 rpm or at any rev just when I lift slightly off the
peddle 
My first thoughts were a vacuum leak so I pulled the top end apart, bought
new gasket and resealed the thing To no success 
Next I tried new plugs then wires then complete ignition Now I put new
heads on Found a very bad Exhaust guide over a half inch play.  Thought
this would solve problem but nope still there
I run stock timing setting 10 degrees The car drive fine above 2000 (30
mph) no popping sound.  When I race it I pull solid 13.6 all day long 
Could it be the open plennum intake Am I pooling the gas at low rpm's 
Or is there another problem I have not thought of yet
Any help appreciated Sorry for the length of this Email

Rob Schinkel

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:51:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Natl's - Best in Show

In a message dated 97-07-13 18:25:23 EDT, you write:

<< t was a great day at the Natl's in Norwalk.. temperature in the 90's and 
 about 150+ cars on hand... For those of you unable to get there the track 
 is one of the finest I have seen anywhere... really first classs...
 Everyone had a great time; outstanding cars, good conversation and 
 just a wee bit of bragging.  :-)
 The list was well represented with Tom Millard, Mark Prince, Jason Labay 
 and yours truly in attendance... Sorry if I missed seeing anyone... The 
 list members did themselves proud:
 
      Tom Millard - lst Place Custom and BEST IN SHOW
      Mark Prince - lst Place Stock
      Jason Labay - 2nd Place Stock
      Al Varhus   - well, the car isn't quite ready to compete with the 
                    big guys
 
 
 When I had to leave Tom and Mark were battling it out in the "King of the 
 Hill" race (show cars only)  I hope someone can the post the results.
 
 Hope to see everyone again in Lansing..
 
 
 Al Varhus >>
Yes Al it was a great day, Tom Millard did win the Best of show award but was

eliminated in the first round of racing.  As for myself, I won 1st place in
70-79 442 class and runner-up in KING OF THE HILL.  I indexed a time of 12.65
and broke out with a time of 12.56 (oops) is all part of racing, got 50.00
bucks for runner-up and trophy for the car show.  I did see Jason's 80 442,
but didnt catch his results.
It was also a pleasure meeting Tom and AL, Tom stayed at the same hotel and
drove his car from PA.  I also drove my car from Detroit to Norwalk.  
Next time me and Jason will have to Hook up.

W MACHINES (MARK PRINCE)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 10:58:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: I'm Stumped

In a message dated 97-07-14 10:37:54 EDT, you write:

<< As a new member to the list I spent the last week reading the letters and
 advice of the Collective thoughts and have decided to take advantage of a
 great opportunity to tap into a wide variety of knowledge
 I have a 1970 Cutlass Convertible that has now had a problem for 4 years
 and after countless attempts to solve the problem I have bettered my engine
 but still have not fixed the problem.
 A brief description of my driveline  1972 455 F4 block .030 over TRW forged
 Aluminum pistons .496 - .513 daul pattern Crane Cam ,Torker intake, 800cfm
 Holley (6910), Mallory Unilite , J heads ( with quite and extensive shaping
 and porting job) , TCI 2500 stall and 3.91 gears
 Now for the problem .. I suffer from a popping sound through the exhaust
 only (sound like a rev limitter engaging)
 At revs below 2000 rpm or at any rev just when I lift slightly off the
 peddle 
 My first thoughts were a vacuum leak so I pulled the top end apart, bought
 new gasket and resealed the thing To no success 
 Next I tried new plugs then wires then complete ignition Now I put new
 heads on Found a very bad Exhaust guide over a half inch play.  Thought
 this would solve problem but nope still there
 I run stock timing setting 10 degrees The car drive fine above 2000 (30
 mph) no popping sound.  When I race it I pull solid 13.6 all day long 
 Could it be the open plennum intake Am I pooling the gas at low rpm's 
 Or is there another problem I have not thought of yet
 Any help appreciated Sorry for the length of this Email
 
 Rob Schinkel >>
Your timing is too low, you need a total timing of 36 degrees and inital
timing of 16 to 20 degrees.  Also your stall convert is too low, try an ATI
3500 stall.  Its tight so it wont effect your street cruising. Your cam specs
are similar to mine. With the amout of lift you have, I would say your
duration is in the 224 to 236 range.  Also were is your timing chain set at.
 Is it at zero degrees or did you advance/retard it.  Give me a call if you
would like to hear more
313 336 8135
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:00:36 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

Cliff, nice to hear that, congrats..I wish I could of attended. had
plans to go but got stuck with house repairs. Maybe next year well put
together a convoy of oldsmobiles from Toronto to London.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Cliff McFarlane[SMTP:mcfrlan@bconnex.net]
> Sent: 	Sunday, July 13, 1997 10:51 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals
> 
> Hello everyone, 
	>
	>.....snipped...
	>
> I'd just like to say any of you that are in a reasonable distance to
> London Ontario, next year you should try to come out to this beautiful
> 2-day event, I know for me it was really worth it this year!
> P.S. I got first place in my category!!! 
> 
> Cliff McFarlane 
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Sport Coupe.
> 

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:41:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?

On Mon, 14 Jul 1997, david wyatt wrote:
> Worth is a relative term in this case.  A nice low milage automobile has
> been described.  If you found a comparable late model car with the same
> milage and in the same condition, what would you pay for it?  If a
> person was to pay more than what the current price guides say, would you
> really get hurt?  A person could drive this car a long time and not
> loose as much money in depreciation as you would with a new car.  If I
> was in the market for a family car and had the cash, I would buy it in a
> heartbeat.

This is the same argument made by the owner. Actually, if it was one of 
the downsized '77 and up models I would also buy it. BTW, the $5K is 
Canadian dollars, so Dan's estimate is about what they're seeking.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:26:27 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: I'm Stumped

I'd be pointing to the Holley carb. Describe the carb. Possibly a faulty
power valve, leaking. Give more info on the carb.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Robert Schinkel[SMTP:docbob@caninet.com]
> Sent: 	Monday, July 14, 1997 10:23 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	I'm Stumped
> 
> As a new member to the list I spent the last week reading the letters
> and
> advice of the Collective thoughts and have decided to take advantage
> of a
> great opportunity to tap into a wide variety of knowledge
> I have a 1970 Cutlass Convertible that has now had a problem for 4
> years
> and after countless attempts to solve the problem I have bettered my
> engine
> but still have not fixed the problem.
> A brief description of my driveline  1972 455 F4 block .030 over TRW
> forged
> Aluminum pistons .496 - .513 daul pattern Crane Cam ,Torker intake,
> 800cfm
> Holley (6910), Mallory Unilite , J heads ( with quite and extensive
> shaping
> and porting job) , TCI 2500 stall and 3.91 gears
> Now for the problem .. I suffer from a popping sound through the
> exhaust
> only (sound like a rev limitter engaging)
> At revs below 2000 rpm or at any rev just when I lift slightly off the
> peddle 
> My first thoughts were a vacuum leak so I pulled the top end apart,
> bought
> new gasket and resealed the thing To no success 
> Next I tried new plugs then wires then complete ignition Now I put new
> heads on Found a very bad Exhaust guide over a half inch play.
> Thought
> this would solve problem but nope still there
> I run stock timing setting 10 degrees The car drive fine above 2000
> (30
> mph) no popping sound.  When I race it I pull solid 13.6 all day long 
> Could it be the open plennum intake Am I pooling the gas at low rpm's 
> Or is there another problem I have not thought of yet
> Any help appreciated Sorry for the length of this Email
> 
> Rob Schinkel
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 08:43:47 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding an engine

mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> 
> Out of the Olds family, which engine would be the most cost-effective to
> rebuild into a high-torque, low RPM monster that I can fit into a '78
> Delta 88?  Right now the motor is a 350, and I'm not sure if I want to
> just add parts to it, because I'd have to spin it higher than let's say
> a 455 to get the same amount of power.
> 
> Does anybody have any prices for rebuild kits for 350, 403, and 455
> engines?  This engine is basically going to be a street motor, with
> perhaps some strip use.  Should I bite the bullet and get forged
> pistons?  How much would Hyperutectics (sp?) cost?
> 
> Mike Jones
> '78 Olds 88

	I just had my 455 rebuilt.  It produces around 600lbs/torque and about
400 hp.  It redlines at 6000 rpm, but stops pulling a little before
that.  The car ritually sees the drag strip on open nights and can run
low 14's.  I would be running better times if I didn't have the heavest
olds, and open rear end, and narrow tires.
	I had a custom grind cam installed so I can run my power accessories. 
everything else is stock, right down to the cast 8.5:1 pistons.  But the
bottom end was built with ARP bolts, studs, etc.
	For exhaust I spend the bank.  I bought Doug Thoroly Headers ($350), 
two 2 chamber Flowmasters ($90), and Tourque Tech 3" manderel bent pipes
all the way out the back ($300) plus those pretty chrome tips ($60), and
the installation ($200).  What did you say?  My exhaust is too loud, I
can't hear you!  But I like it like that.
Brad
70 442

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:37:37 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Introduction and Questions

At 09:54 AM 7/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have just subscribed to this list today and thought I would
>introduce myself.

Welcome! 

>I have two 69 442's 
>
>Car 1 is a silver car w\black vinyl top, 4 spd, w\ a 455 .030 over and a
>70 ram air hood.

I'm coming to love those cars in silver, *especially* with a black vinyl
top. And I'm usually the first guy to strip off the vinyl roof from a car...
Sounds like a fun ride as well.

>Car 2 is a matching numbers basket case. My parents bought the car in
>69 and it has been in the family since. It has been stored for the last 11
>years. Shame on me, but the storage was not kind to the car. The car is
>as plain as they came, a 400\400 column shifted car with the fawn
>interior, no power options, no ac. It is the original drive train, 130,000 plus
>miles, still have the protecto-plate. Had frame work done just before
>storage.
>
> I am thinking of getting rid of car 2, so I have several questions:
>
>1. Would any one be interested in a project car?

*I* would be; my wife wouldn't... ;)

>2. What would this be worth?

That depends upon the bodywork needed, and the mechanical condition (again,
people's definitions of basketcases varies widely). If the quarters are
completely gone, and you've got rust around all the windows, and you've got
Fred Flintstone floors, and the highest compression you have in any one
cylinder is 60psi, and the tranny slips like a waterslide, and the brakes
haven't worked in twenty years, then you've got a $200-$500 car on your
hands. Virtually everything on the car would only have core value.

OTOH, if it simply has the standard rust (patches behind the wheels, perhaps
some small holes in the floors or trunk, only minor water leaks around the
windows), the engine runs and the transmission shifts, but both are slightly
tired (these cars can survive 130,000 miles pretty well; it depends what was
done to them in those miles), and you could drive it a short distance, but
just wouldn't want to take it cross-country without a checkup, then you're
in the $500-$1500 range.

Of course, if it were a convertible or had desireable options, it would be
worth at least double that figure in its current condition. What it does
have going for it is that it's a complete, one-owner, numbers-matching 442,
which makes it an excellent candidate for restoration, perhaps an even
better candidate than your silver '69

>3. Should I just part it out?

Unless it's in worse condition than my first description of a basketcase, I
wouldn't. It sounds like a car with a lot of potential. Whoever did buy it
would be getting themselves into a big financial obligation, just to get it
into a worthwhile condition, so you won't make a killing on the sale, but it
sounds like it might be a worthwhile project for someone.

[Note: the values and opinions expressed in this message reflect a
Northeast, rust-belt mentality. Any residents of salt-free states have every
right to keep their mouth shut as to how they'd junk a car if, say, the
windshield-wiper arms were bent, never mind if it needed rust repaired...]
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:37:39 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: rear end gears 364

At 08:05 AM 7/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I am looking for a set of 364 rear end gears for an Olds powered 40 
>Willys hot rod. Does anyone have any idea were he can get these..

You know, I'm quite sure that Zoom makes gears for the older Olds axles
(which is what it has, right?) with the removable pumpkin. Check in a Summit
or Jegs catalog, or if that fails, look in the ads in a dedicated
drag-racing magazine like Bracket Racing or Super Stock and Drag Illustrated
(or whatever it's called these days..).

If all else fails, look in one of those custom rodder magazines, which has
ads for all the "obsolete" parts that are still available (I wonder how long
before our 20-year out of production 455 parts will fall into that category...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:01:30 -0500
From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Subject: 66 taillight for sale

Several weeks ago I was at a junk yard and found some items on a 66 cutlass
4dr.

passenger side rear taillight, complete, plug the light in back and your
ready to go.  some very minor pitting and a very very small crack in the
lense (I had a hard time finding the crack when I showed the taillamp to
Dave Wyatt a few weeks ago)  Will take any offer, except free :)

Also if someone is interested in parts from this car, I may be able to help
you out.  The dash is gone.  Both bumpers have dents in them.  The other
taillight has a busted lense and chrome.  The front grill along with ALL
the exterior chrome is gone.  The car is blue with a black bench interior
and very rust free.  The hood is perfect, the trunk lid looks very good
also.  Hard to tell if it is bent (doesn't look like it) as the car was hit
in the driver rear, but the lid does open and close.  Let me know if
there's anything else.  Besides I need a reason to go back to the yard.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
csmetana@disc.sony.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertible
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:21:54 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Subject: Re: rear end gears 364

Hi all,

I was wondering if anyone could answer this question:

Which 1968 4-4-2 model has the stainless/aluminum? windlace around the
windows?

On my SC, I have that rubber/metal clipping windlace.  
On the donor car it has a slainless/aluminum clipping windlace.

Was this an option?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 12:26:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non-Olds - But What's It Worth?

In a message dated 97-07-14 01:23:58 EDT, you write:

<< I think the guy missed his opportunity when he turned down $3500. There
may
 be someone out there who would pay his price, but it's going to take a
 *long* time to hook up with that buyer...
 
 Maybe keep his name, and in 3 months offer him $2500. If he declines to
 sell, call back 3 months after that, and offer him $2000. If he still
 refuses to sell, wait _six_ months, and then call back and offer him $1300.
 If it's still no go, wait a *year*, and if he's still got it, offer him $800
 for that heap.
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
 Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
  >>

THATS A REALLY OVER OPINIONATED STATEMENT...JUST BECAUSE ITS NOT A CAR THAT
YOUR INTERESTED....PS....IM TRYING TO KEEP MY POSTS TO A MINIMUM SO AS NOT TO
UPSET THOSE THAT DONT LIKE CAPS....YEAH RIGHT

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 11:32:05 CST
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: More Car-buying Adventures...

Greg,
What fun, what fun! Great stories - keep 'me coming!

About the '78 Delta, I've noticed that the same interior items where used 
from '77 to '85, with very slight trim differences, but not dimensional 
differences. I think the wheel base remained the same. FWIW, not sure if 
11" drums continued to '85, and I believe the bolt pattern went to 4 3/4" 
in 79 or 80.

Yeah, I think you will find full size Buicks or Pontiacs can supply the items 
you need. I can help you out on the interior parts, if need be, and cheap. I 
kind of know the '77 to '79 Deltas inside and out. Let me know if I can help.

The 80-83 Delta could be the charm. The year (sometimes +/- one year) is molded 
in the rear tail light lenses.

Too bad the use of galvanized steel wasn't in widespread use back then - the 
bodies would last as long as the engines!

David Brown       Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com  OR  http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
- ------------

Interesting car: '78 Delta, 66K miles. Rocket 350/TH350 combo, drove
better than any of the '80's full-sizers (why did Olds stop making that
engine?!?), rust free. 

Finally -- driving home I spot a Delta paked in a field with a for sale
sign on it... go look. Somewhere between an '80 and '83.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:35:37 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Surge, stumble, and lack of power

My '84 H/O (307, Q-jet) developed a surging and slight lack of power
problem after some recent changes I made.  The symptom is that at about
50-60mph or more, it slightly surges and doesn't seem to have as much
top-end power as it used to.  Continual driving over 70mph also gets the
temp gauge up higher than it should be (not to overheating levels
though).  

I've made two modifications recently.  Unfortunately I did them both at
the same time (only change _one_ *whack* variable *whack* at a time
*whack* *whack*.  There, I've been punished).  The most likely cause is
the carburetor base gasket.  Last fall I upgraded to an Edelbrock
Performer dual-plane intake, but I used the stock carb base gasket which
was all I could find at the time (which has been working fine since). 
It came upon me a while ago that this _open_ gasket was probably
completely defeating the purpose of having a dual-plane intake so I
decided to switch to a 4-hole gasket.  The 4-hole gasket has definitely
helped response, low end power (up to about 3000rpm), and even gas
mileage a little (!).  The other change I did was installing an MSD-6AL
unit.  I didn't know what plug gap to use since the docs say you can
widen the stock gap to 0.065 max, but my stock gap is 0.080, so I
e-mailed MSD and they said use 0.080 but they didn't sound very sure of
themselves (it's not a Chevy, so they're lost).  They also recommended
one heat range colder than stock, and did not recommend any particular
brand of plugs.  Right now I have new stock AC R46SX plugs in at 0.080. 
The MSD unit seems to work just great, it starts *much* easier, and it's
just generally smoother all around, except it sometimes idles a bit
rough (not bad though, very tolerable) when in gear and the engine is
hot.  A third change I did was to check the timing, somehow it got
retarded (set at about 16 degrees advanced) so I reset it to the stock
20 deg. advanced.

My best guess is that the gasket change (maybe combined with the K&N
filter and cold-air induction I put on last year) I made caused the
secondaries to be a bit lean, but I wanted to ask the lists' opinion
before trying richer secondary metering rods.  If the recommendation is
to richen up the secondaries, how many steps should I go?  Currently it
has the stock DA rods.  If I understand the carb correctly, the mixture
control solenoid only works on the primaries, right?  So then the
secondaries aren't computer controlled?

The fuel filter is new, and I haven't gotten any computer error codes
(like lean exhaust) either.  I've also thought that it could be the
secondaries opening at the wrong point (too soon?  would the vacuum
characteristics of the motor change with the dual-plane intake?), or
maybe something to do with the plugs (need cooler plugs with narrower
gap?).

Thanks in advance for the help!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:23:46 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

> I just got back from the OCC summer nationals in London Ontario ...

> P.S. I got first place in my category!!! 
> 
> Cliff McFarlane 
> 62 Starfire Conv.
> 63 Starfire Sport Coupe.

Hi Cliff .. were those your Starfire(s)?  Very nice cars.  I looked to me
like there were more cars than in others years.  I was especially impressed
the 88 and Ninety-Eight from 1960 (as well as the 66 and 68 Toronados)

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:02:15 -0500
From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Subject: 67 442 conv found in AL

A friend of mine relayed a find to me. A 67 442 convertable in v/g shape. I
road tripped to see it today. I found a nice car,from what I could see. It
is locked inside a power substation with BIG fences! One thing that
concerned me was the size of the side emblem on the car. It appeared larger
than I remember my old 67 having. It has a nice after market interior and
fresh black paint. The red top might have 4-5 years left. It also has a/m
rims and a louvered hood.(a lot of trouble for a cloner.) I plan to
investigate into this closer. What is a reasonable price for such a treasure?


Jim Smith
65 442

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 20:03:01 -0500
From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Subject: junkyard find

While out looking for a set of .040 over pistons for my 400 today I found a
real rare set of JAHN'S .100 overs for a 400. I don't think that the Yard
Owner will ever find a local buyer for them, unless I buy them for the
future. Any interested listers out there can E me or respond via the
list.(didn't find the .040's I needed :-(

Before I zap this off- a couple of questions:(1) I'm finishing up the A/F
suspension mod and I need to know what kind of master to use w/ the discs in
a non-power brake setup. (2) Is the bolt pattern for the 90's cutlass frnt
whl drv(16")rims and the SSI the same. I really need a set of rims (15"or
16")and love the 2-door cutlass star design. The rocket in the center cap
ain't too shabby either!! 


Jim Smith
65 442

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:28:11 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Big rear tires?

I would like to know what the biggest tire size I can run on SSII rims
(15 X 7) on my 70 442.  Can I go as big as 275/60R15?
thanks
Brad

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:42:36 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Distinction at Lansing

Okay everybody, I was feeling generous and ready for "The Big Show" and
just thought I'd whip up some stuff. I have for you all a car-show style
sign with "year, model, owner, and mods" (and Greg's 67, my nose is
brown) and another with "name, e-mail". I think everybody on this list
should have one to show we are an elite group of Net-going Olds lovers.
Of course, if you have something better, by all means use it. You can
just print them from the Net or d-load them then print them. They both
fit on paper. These are the links:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/oldscarsign.gif
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/oldsnametag.gif

If you have suggestions on how I could modify them, please tell me. They
are in b/w for those w/out a color printer. =)
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:04:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

Hi,
       I to was at the OCC summer nationals with my 73 442. It was a very
relaxing weekend and the park is very nice and a great place to take pictures
of your car. I judged the performance classes so didn't get to see all the
cars.  I was at Norwalk last year an is also an excellent event. I wish they
could have these events on different weekends so I could attend both.  Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham
OCA #016050

 
                                 

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:30:33 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Buttons

Douglas Kitchener wrote:
> 
> > Doug,
> > I'll be going out to Lansing. Are these a good acquisition before go? What
> > are they for? I was pretty much going to just show up and hang out, but there
> > must be some value to the festival buttons
> >
> > Can you explain?
> > thanks
> > cf
> 
> Are you _registered_ for the Lansing event?  Might wanna consider doing that;
> it's $25 to display your car but I understand that all of us who do so will
> receive some sort of limited edition, numbered gift, which I'm sure will be
> worth at least that if you're keeping score.

I thought someone said that we could do that when we arrived?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
Ev_Corp Main Admin.
delta_v plug G/S/O Admin.
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:27:14 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: RE: 

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Welcome to the list, Tony.  Nice cars, there.  I'd say keep the Car 2 =
and restore it totally and take it to shows, along with Car 1.  It isn't =
everyday that you see totally stock cars from so far back.

 Jason Adcock
 OCA #028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Tony Molinaro [SMTP:AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com]
Sent:	Monday, July 14, 1997 9:54 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:=09

Hello=20

I have just subscribed to this list today and thought I would
introduce myself.

I have two 69 442's=20

Car 1 is a silver car w\black vinyl top, 4 spd, w\ a 455 .030 over and a
70 ram air hood.

Car 2 is a matching numbers basket case. My parents bought the car in
69 and it has been in the family since. It has been stored for the last =
11
years. Shame on me, but the storage was not kind to the car. The car is
as plain as they came, a 400\400 column shifted car with the fawn
interior, no power options, no ac. It is the original drive train, =
130,000 plus
miles, still have the protecto-plate. Had frame work done just before
storage.

 I am thinking of getting rid of car 2, so I have several questions:

1. Would any one be interested in a project car?
2. What would this be worth?
3. Should I just part it out?

 I would appreciate any comments or guidance any one may have.

Thanks,

Tony Molinaro
amolinaro@mbakercorp.com
Pittsburgh, Pa


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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 18:32:45 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Subject: RE: Wrong Fan clutch

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<Is it possible that the coolant will flow
better without any thermostat at all?>

Excuse me for forgetting the name of the person who mentioned this =
before, but is was said that if there is not thermostat, or if the =
thermostat was stuck open, the coolant mixture would flow through the =
radiator SO fast that it wouldn't have a chance to cool down at all.

 Jason Adcock
 OCA #028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com =
[SMTP:Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com]
Sent:	Monday, July 14, 1997 12:48 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Wrong Fan clutch


Hi all,

Saturday I installed a 180 degree thermostat and new thermal fan clutch =
on
my 69 Cutlass.

Two strange things I encountered. First, the car had no thermostat when =
I
opened
it up. Why would that be? A thermostat is only a couple of bucks so it
shouldn't
have been a financial reason.  Is it possible that the coolant will flow
better
without any thermostat at all?  Will I possibly have worse overheating
problems
now that I have a new thermostat?

The other thing. When I brought the fan clutch home from Parts America
(Western Auto)
I discovered that the fan wouldn't fit over the "shaft" on the clutch. I
took it back, with the old
one and the fan, and they spent 30 minutes with me looking through =
books,
cross-referencing
numbers and the only thing they found that my fan fit over and was even
close to the right length
compared to my old one was from a big-block Caddy. It also fits a few
Ch*vys and F*rds but didn't
even mention Olds.

My car has the original engine so I know that isn't the problem. Is it
possible that someone put a
different fan on the car at some time in it's life?  I just thought that
was weird.


Oh, and get this....it still runs about 195 to 200 degrees....WHY???

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

Mike Baugher
69 Cutlass S convertible



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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:15:30 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Parts Voice - Can this be true?

Hey out there in Chicago-Land...

How'd someone like to do me a favor?  You don't have any important work
to do anyway, right?

I've been looking for an NOS right hand fender for my '67 Ninety Eight
ever since it tangled with that Buick back in '95.  I've repaired the
car since then, but I'm not 100% happy with it.  I got my parts book out
for something else earlier this evening and thought "What the heck,
let's see if I can find a fender on this Parts Voice thing."

And find a fender I did.  It's supposedly located at Chicago Auto. 
Anybody ever heard of them?  Would somebody out there be willing to give
them a call and see what the deal is here.  I'm not ready to buy it
right now, but I'd be interested in knowing what this is all about. 
Their phone # is 773-254-2414.  The part # for my right hand fender is
395878, group #8.130.  I'd be interested in knowing if this part is
really a fender for my car, do they really have it, and what is the cost
on it.  Also, if you're feeling adventursome, they supposedly have a
left hand fender skirt for my '67 98, part #396251, group #8.175.

Looking forward to hearing from someone and finding out how good this
Parts Voice works.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 21:48:20 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Authenticity..

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Greetings all,
> 
>      I have some questions on the authenticity of a couple of things on my 66
> Dynamic convert. First, the car has 15" wheels on it, but a 14" spare.
> All of the literature I can find on the car sez that it came with 14's.
> However the
> wheel covers match the covers that are in the photos I have, and they fit the
> 15s,
> NOT the 14" spare. Factory or dealer option?

Well, these are some interesting questions.  15" wheels were an option
on the '66.  They were considered heavy-duty equipment for trailer
towing or police applications.  My '66/'67 parts book shows a wheel hub
cap, part #9701169 to be used on 5400, 5600, 5800, 98 Police or Trailer
Hauling.  It also shows a hub cap retaining clip (snap on type), part
#564692, for the same above vehicles except 98s with A/C.  There is no
15" full wheel "disc" shown for '66.  What do they look like?  Do they
have fins?  If they do, are the fins short or long?  Pull one off and
give me a part # (these were serviced in pieces, so there may be a few
part numbers) and I can see what the parts manual tells me.  15" full
wheel discs were available in '67.  Maybe you've got a set of these.  I
would think that the spare should be the same size as the other four
wheels.  Yes, these were available as factory equipment, but they could
probably have been dealer installed as well.

>       Second, the air cleaner is roughly rectangular (about 18x23 ") with two
> rect. outlets on either side facing forward, a pre-heat outlet on the pass.
> side,
> a pcv outlet on the drivers side and a small vacuum fitting on the rear that
> controls
> two vacuum actuators inside the housing. Is this an Olds air cleaner? It
> looks like
> some Bui*k air cleaners I've seen. And by the way, it has the orig.( or at
> least its
> a 66) 425 w/ 2 bbl.

You should have a metal plate on top of the air cleaner that says
"Oldsmobile - Climatic Combustion Control".  Yes, this is an Oldsmobile
air cleaner, but it was not available as an option until '67.  The
controlled combustion system became standard on the '68s (with a
standard air cleaner), so this was an option in '67 only.  It was
available for either 2bbl or 4bbl carbs.  A-bodies and full size cars
used the same air cleaners.  Toronados used a different one because of
the height requirements.  They also had a seperate setup to be used in
CA only because of the AIR pump.  On the part of the housing that faced
the firewall there should be a part # stamped in white paint.  Let me
know what it is and I can tell you which air cleaner you have.  I've got
one of these on my Ninety Eight.  One of the vacuum motors leaks, so I
can't have it hooked up.  The motor on the passenger side is regulated
by temperature and closes the snorkel when the engine is cold to drawn
air up the heat pipe from the exhaust pipe.  As the temperature warms,
the flap starts to open and mixes the air until it reaches proper
operating temperature.  The flap on the driver's side is closed all the
time, except under full throttle.  I notice quite a bit more noise with
this air cleaner than from a standard one.

It's interesting that your '66 has a couple of '67 options on it.  Is
your car really a '66?  Or is this a typo and you have a '67?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 02:24:06 +0000
From: Tom Millard <oldspwr@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: More on the Olds Nats...

Here is a little more info on the 8th annual Mondello Olds Nats:

As you know I was fortunate enough to receive 1st place in 70-79 custom as
well as Best of Show which I am very proud of.  I also had a chance to meet
Al Varhus, Mark Prince, and Jason Labay. Al had his 79 Cutlass which he did
not show because it is in 'progress', but I'm sure it will be ready by next
year.  Mark had his 72 442 which is a super clean car as well as running a
very respectable track time.  Jason had his 80 442 there which is in
incredible shape for being 17 years old and virtually unrestored.

In case anybody was thinking about coming out to the show next year, it's
definetly worth while.  I drove all the way from Gouldsboro, PA, which is
about 425 miles one way.  It took me about 7 hours on the way out and I ran
the 403 pretty much non-stop except for a 1/2 hour food break and 2 gas
stops.  Joe Mondello was very personable, as well as his wife Mary.  I asked
him a few questions and he was very helpful.  It was also nice to see
Batten's heads and intakes, as well as their new set of underdriven aluminum
pulleys.  Mr Gasket was also had a display with the lovely Linda Vaughn
signing posters and calendars.  And last but not least, as Al had mentioned
earlier, Norwalk Raceway is an incredible track. 

So if you are thinking about going next year...  MAKE SURE YOU DO!!!!
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:05:21 -0400
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Brought home my new 72 442 tonight

Just drove home my new 72 442. I had about a hour drive, the car ran 
beautiful. To top it all off I missed a number of thunder storms which I
could see in the distance.

Since I had about a hour in the car I was able to test things out.
First off since it has the 455 acceleration is no problem and the 400
trans shifts great. I did notice the ventilation fan doesn't work and 
the radio cuts in and out (probably a bad ground). I think the idle needs
to be turned up because when in gear at a stop light the idle is real
rough.
 
Oh yea I know a 455 will not have great mileage but should 
50 miles burn half a tank?  About what rear gear would I have if
turning 4000 rpm at 60 mph?  
  
John Richmond
richmond@tir.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 23:08:31 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Club of Canada Summer Nationals

> Hi Cliff .. were those your Starfire(s)?  Very nice cars.  I looked to me
> like there were more cars than in others years.  I was especially impressed
> the 88 and Ninety-Eight from 1960 (as well as the 66 and 68 Toronados)
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Toronto, Canada
> graham.stewart@utoronto.ca


Hi Graham, I brought my wedgewood mist (light blue) 63 Starfire to the
show in London. What Olds did you bring to the show? That 88 and 98 from
'60 were very nice, it was to bad that the 98 had modern wheelcovers
though. There was a great turn out of cars at the show but it was so hot
you couldn't stay in the sun too long! I hope that I'll find the time to
be there again next year.

Cliff McFarlane 
62 Starfire conv.
63 Starfire sport coupe.

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