
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 24 1997       Volume 01 : Number 767



Re: Emblems and Scripts
Re: Emblems and Scripts
Re: Hurst package
Re: advice needed 
[none]
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Need 69 Cutlass rear bumper bracket
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Bill SB-24 - FAILED passage late yesterday
1966 #3 Heads
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Re: Emblems and Scripts
Re: Bill SB-24 - FAILED passage late yesterday
Weekend fun and Monday blues
no subject
Re: Elderly Rocket Drivers
67 442 rear
R-406a
hallmark xmas ornament
70 W-30 paint template
Re: Smog Adventure
Re: On the road again...
Oldsmobiles in Junque Yarde
Re: hallmark xmas ornament
Re: Weekend fun and Monday blues
Re: Seat backs
Re: glass hotel/ss center caps questions
Re: Convertible Speakers
Re: Seat backs
What Is The Problem?
Re: Seat backs
Re: What Is The Problem?
72 4dr parts available
Re: 1966 #3 Heads
Re: What Is The Problem?
Re: Buy This Please !!
Wtd: 66 window cranks
Re: Buy This Please !!
Re: What Is The Problem?
'72 TH350 wire?
Re: 70 W-30 paint template
Re: On the road again...
Re: parts needed;questions
Re: 403 => 7a heads
69 Axle shaft
Back from the dead -- '84 Cutlass Sup. w/307-Y
Re: '72 TH350 wire?
axle swap
test do not read
69 Toro f/sale
Michigan Festival Buttons
455 Toro for a Cutlass Manifold?
Re: What Is The Problem?
Re: quartz clock conversions 
Re: 71 442 FS
Re: Wtd: 66 window cranks
66 Cutlass/330 questions
Re: Pick-a-parts in LA
Re: 455 Toro for a Cutlass Manifold?

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:48:24 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Emblems and Scripts

Previously I wrote:
>>> A) What is the proper method of mounting these items?  most of them have
>>> studs which look to have a spiral groove.
>
>These would take a stamped nut with a hex profile that screws on
>with a socket wrench. I can't remember whether this is called a Pal
>nut or a Tinnerman nut (anyone?), but it's pressed out of sheet metal
>with a really coarse thread-cutting hole in the middle.

Well, I had that almost right. What you're missing is called a Palnut,
and if you go to http://www.palnut.com/ you'll find a spiffy little
picture of it sitting in the top left corner of the web page.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:50:31 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Emblems and Scripts

><major snippage of lengthy reply>
>
>> Andrew C. Green 
>
>Oh wow, he's back in real-time mode... I *have* to get that digest fixed 
>ASAP now...

Oh, thanks a lot, Greg; Mike Frederick is going to get that posting 
of yours _framed_; I just know it...  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:49:30 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst package

At 10:18 PM 7/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
><SNIP>> >>  I am the proud owner of a 1967 442. This car has a factory
>installed Hurst
>> >> 4-speed transmission. 
>
>
>> I'm not sure I understand the above question:"Do you mean Hurst SHIFTER
vise Trans-
>> mission?" Thanks for the info.
>> Fred Kemp
>
>Fred, above is a snippet of the original inquiry.  All I was trying to
>ascertain was whether you were actually meaning the shifter instead of a
>Hurst Transmission.
>
>Mike
>

Mike,
  I gotcha.The transmission is a close ratio Munchie.
Fred

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:51:45 -0500
From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Subject: Re: advice needed 

At 01:45 AM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 08:49 PM 7/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I find myself in need of some serious advice. I'm in the middle of a dilema
>>on my rebuild. I understand that I can use the 350 pistons in my 400. I've
><snip>
>>proper way to do this w/o losing all my compression and other considerations.
>
>One thing that you should consider an essential for this buildup is the
>Mondello Tech guide, along with his catalog. What pistons will work, and how
>they'll work, is contained in these.
>
>>The other point of concern is with my suspension modification. With the
>>discs now installed from the doner T/A, what master cyl should I use. Is
>>there a pwr master that will work on my 65 442? 
>
>How about the master cyl from that very T/A? Do you already have a power
>booster on there now?
>
>>interested. I would appreciate any response to this. I wonder if my msg's
>>are making it to the list.
>
>They're making it; just not many people here building early 400's.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>thank you doc! I knew I could count on you to respond. I,ll do that. Need
those Jahn's pistons for your collection?


Jim Smith
65 442

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:44:39 -0500
From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Subject: [none]

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:43:54 -0500
From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Subject: Have to sign off

Fellow Oldsmobiles,
Well, today I got the warning that I've been getting to many emails.  I
have access only at work, so unfortunately I must unsub*cribe.  If I do
come back and join, it will most likely be on digest mode due to the volume
of daily emails.  It has been a great experience getting to know many of
you and learning a SCHLOAD of information on Oldsmobiles.  Those of you
that I've been asking about buying parts from or selling parts to you can
still reach me at my address (see below).  I know I'm going suffer from
Olds withdrawal, but keeping my source of income is probably a good thing
if I ever decide I want to buy something.  Anyway, hope to see many of you
in Lansing next month.  Until then, take care and happy oldsmobiling.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
csmetana@disc.sony.com

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Iezzi <fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Need 69 Cutlass rear bumper bracket

Hi guys,
Anyone have a RIGHT REAR bumper bracket for a 69 Cutlass 'S' for sale??
Lost mine while waiting on the re-chroming job (long story)...
e-mail frank.iezzi@epa.state.oh.us
or fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us
or call eves@614-442-9227
Thanks
Frank Iezzi
69 Cutlass S W-31

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:14:38 -0500
From: "Mitch Warren" <mitchntx@flash.net>
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile-digest

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:19:06 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Bill SB-24 - FAILED passage late yesterday

YOUR HELP IS NEEDED!!

I called the phone # listed below and the girl who answered the phone,
takes a tally of the supporters who call.  She did not ask my name, so I
will write a letter also.  I already sent a "support email" to Senator
Kopp also.

Those Turkeys...!!!?&#)&)$&^#^.

(((The Assembly Appropriations Committee can be reached at 916-322-4323, or
State Capitol, Room 2114, Sacramento, CA  95814.)))

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>From: Office SC08 <Senator.Kopp@SEN.CA.GOV>
>Subject: RE: Bill SB-24
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>        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE			Contact:	Kevin 
>        Nguyen
>        July 17, 1997						  (415) 
>        301-1721
>        
>             COMMITTEE PULLS AUTO EXEMPTION BILL OVER TO SHOULDER,
>                         KOPP CALLS FOR ROAD ASSISTANCE
>        
>        	Despite 12,000 letters, Internet messages and petitions 
>        of support, Senate Bill 42, by Senator Quentin L. Kopp 
>        (Independent - San Francisco/San Mateo), failed passage late 
>        yesterday in the State Assembly Appropriations Committee.  SB 42 
>        would exempt vehicles 25 or more model years old from 
>        California's biennial smog check requirement.
>        
>        	Kopp's measure passed by a 33-0 vote in the Senate and a 
>        17-0 vote in the Assembly Transportation Committee.  In Assembly 
>        Appropriations, however, a motion to pass SB 42 to the full 
>        Assembly fell three votes short and was rejected, 8-8.  SB 42 
>        was subsequently placed on the committee's Suspense File, which 
>        allows Kopp to pursue another vote as soon as late-August.
>        
>        	"I'm disappointed but undeterred by the vote," said 
>        Kopp.  "As proponents and supporters of SB 42, we must now focus 
>        our attention and redouble our efforts to impress upon the 
>        Assembly Appropriations Committee members the urgency and 
>        necessity of this legislation."  (The Assembly Appropriations 
>        Committee can be reached at 916-322-4323, or State Capitol, Room 
>        2114, Sacramento, CA  95814.)
>        
>        	The number of affected vehicles is small; the Air 
>        Resources Board estimates that the bill would exempt 
>        approximately 400,000 vehicles (or slightly more than 1%) of the 
>        23,000,000 registered passenger automobiles in California.  The 
>        bill would affect only those vehicles manufactured from 1966 to 
>        1973; pre-1966 vehicles already are excluded from the smog 
>        check.
>        
>        	"The bureaucrats oppose this commonsense measure not on 
>        the basis of policy but on the basis of the smog certificate fee 
>        revenues that would be lost to their programs!" stated Kopp, who 
>        is Chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee.
>        
>        	In addition to attracting national attention from many 
>        individuals and trade publications, SB 42's official supporters 
>        include the California State Automobile Associ-ation, numerous 
>        other car collector clubs and Jay Leno, host of the "Tonight 
>        Show."
>        
>                                      ###
>        
>        
>
>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:06:23 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 1966 #3 Heads

I curious what the cc's are for the #3 heads in 1966 and what they would be
worth(in good shape)
And out of all the 330 heads which are the best to find 

Any help appreciated


Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:22:47 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Emblems and Scripts

At 04:33 PM 7/21/97 -0300, you wrote:

>     In fact, you may just want to glue 
>     the emblems on with clear silicone and avoid the clips/nuts entirely.

I did this and it worked well.


Dan




************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 16:23:18 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Bill SB-24 - FAILED passage late yesterday

Hi All:

When I called in support of the bill, they asked for my name and what city
I was calling from.  Everyone on this list who lives in California
definately should call this number and offer their support for SB-42.  

I would be willing to pay an additional $7 on my registration in order to
avoid the smog hassle.  These cheapskates are ONLY worried about their
precious fees to provide funding for a zillion bureaucrats to administer
this thing.

One final thought on this bill.  Since they figure that air pollution will
increase as a result of this bill, pollution will have to be reduced
somewhere else in order to maintain levels set by the EPA (federal).  These
efforts will probably be directed toward stationary pollution sources,
which means that BIG BUSINESS is opposing this bill.  It is therefore our
job to make sure the politicians are aware that they are supposedly elected
by the people, not the businesses that contribute to their re-election
campaigns.

EVERYONE CALL THE NUMBER LISTED BELOW AND OFFER YOUR SUPPORT FOR SB-42
(sorry for the shouting, I'll get off the soapbox now)

Thanks for your time

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

At 03:19 PM 7/21/97 -0700, you wrote:
>YOUR HELP IS NEEDED!!
>
>I called the phone # listed below and the girl who answered the phone,
>takes a tally of the supporters who call.  She did not ask my name, so I
>will write a letter also.  I already sent a "support email" to Senator
>Kopp also.
>
>Those Turkeys...!!!?&#)&)$&^#^.
>
>(((The Assembly Appropriations Committee can be reached at 916-322-4323, or
>State Capitol, Room 2114, Sacramento, CA  95814.)))
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----------
>
>>From: Office SC08 <Senator.Kopp@SEN.CA.GOV>
>>Subject: RE: Bill SB-24
>>
>>        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE			Contact:	Kevin 
>>        Nguyen
>>        July 17, 1997						  (415) 
>>        301-1721
>>        
>>             COMMITTEE PULLS AUTO EXEMPTION BILL OVER TO SHOULDER,
>>                         KOPP CALLS FOR ROAD ASSISTANCE
>>        
>>        	Despite 12,000 letters, Internet messages and petitions 
>>        of support, Senate Bill 42, by Senator Quentin L. Kopp 
>>        (Independent - San Francisco/San Mateo), failed passage late 
>>        yesterday in the State Assembly Appropriations Committee.  SB 42 
>>        would exempt vehicles 25 or more model years old from 
>>        California's biennial smog check requirement.
>>        
>>        	Kopp's measure passed by a 33-0 vote in the Senate and a 
>>        17-0 vote in the Assembly Transportation Committee.  In Assembly 
>>        Appropriations, however, a motion to pass SB 42 to the full 
>>        Assembly fell three votes short and was rejected, 8-8.  SB 42 
>>        was subsequently placed on the committee's Suspense File, which 
>>        allows Kopp to pursue another vote as soon as late-August.
>>        
>>        	"I'm disappointed but undeterred by the vote," said 
>>        Kopp.  "As proponents and supporters of SB 42, we must now focus 
>>        our attention and redouble our efforts to impress upon the 
>>        Assembly Appropriations Committee members the urgency and 
>>        necessity of this legislation."  (The Assembly Appropriations 
>>        Committee can be reached at 916-322-4323, or State Capitol, Room 
>>        2114, Sacramento, CA  95814.)
>>        
>>        	The number of affected vehicles is small; the Air 
>>        Resources Board estimates that the bill would exempt 
>>        approximately 400,000 vehicles (or slightly more than 1%) of the 
>>        23,000,000 registered passenger automobiles in California.  The 
>>        bill would affect only those vehicles manufactured from 1966 to 
>>        1973; pre-1966 vehicles already are excluded from the smog 
>>        check.
>>        
>>        	"The bureaucrats oppose this commonsense measure not on 
>>        the basis of policy but on the basis of the smog certificate fee 
>>        revenues that would be lost to their programs!" stated Kopp, who 
>>        is Chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee.
>>        
>>        	In addition to attracting national attention from many 
>>        individuals and trade publications, SB 42's official supporters 
>>        include the California State Automobile Associ-ation, numerous 
>>        other car collector clubs and Jay Leno, host of the "Tonight 
>>        Show."
>>        
>>                                      ###
>>        
>>        
>>
>>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:55:50 EDT
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Weekend fun and Monday blues

Well, this weekend I made a trip over to Old Town for the Saturday Night
Cruise.  Hadn't done that in a while, and it was as fun as I remember it!
 There were 200+ cars there, six of which were Oldsmobiles.  There was a
nice looking '70 442, green paint, green interior.  For sale, too, hmmmm.
 Have to talk to the SO about this one...   A beautiful '67 442 there. 
Looked like it came right off the showroom floor!  Even had that new car
smell.  Amazing!  A lot of time put into that car.  A nice looking '68
Cutlass convertible made it, too.

A couple of acts of sacrilege committed...a '56 88 with a C*evy small
block in it, and an even earlier Olds ('49?) with a C*evy 327 in it. 
Disgraceful...

Last but not least was a '72 88 convertible.  Man, those were big cars. 
This one looked pretty much original -- not restored, but in relatively
excellent shape.

Now for the bad news...

Went outside to go to work this morning, and noticed the hatch of the
Eclipse was up.  At first I thought the wife got something out of the car
last night and forgot to shut it, no big deal.  Went over to shut it, and
the spoiler on the back was just about ripped off the car.  Damn! 
Someone broke into my car, right in my own driveway!  Drivers side window
was smashed and on the grass beside the driveway, radio and 25 CD's
missing; they knew what they were after.  They were very careful and took
their time removing it.  Going to the Allstate claims office tomorrow to
get a check cut; hopefully I won't have any trouble with them.

At least it wasn't the Olds with a smashed window.  I can't imagine
trying to find a window for it; it's a 4DHT.  The Eclipse at least is
easy to get parts for, even if they are pricey.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:08:21 -0600
From: jay.britt@360.com
Subject: no subject

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:12:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: Elderly Rocket Drivers

><<PR/Legal stuff: Again, no age discrimination here, as I'll probably be =
>into hot-rodding cars until I die, but I think we'll all agree that most =
>elderly citizens drive Auroras instead of beefed up rockets.>>
>
>Hmm, well, let's see, I've been eligible for AARP for 7 years and my Rocket
>turns mid-low 11's.  Is that beefy enough for an "elderly citizen"?
>
>Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
>'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
>Oviedo, FL
>
>Handren Associates, Inc.
>FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
>Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
>(407)365-6385
>

<My Gramps always told me to respect my elders. How else do you expect to be
willed their goodies? And Mr. sounds like you got em!!>>

Check out the Readers Rides section in the August Car Craft and the September
issue of Popular Hot Rodding for the story on the Olds Club of Florida car
show.

This Grandpa likes driving to be fun!  Haven't had the grandkids for a ride
yet but the oldest one eats up the radical rides in the amusement parks.  If
I can talk her mother into it, she's next.  

Hey, I'm just doing my part to ensure the kids of today know what it was like
when muscle cars rules the streets.  :-)

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:12:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: 67 442 rear

<<I've got a 1967 442 10 bolt rearend.  It has 3.55:1 richmond gears. 
It looks different than any posi unit I have ever seen.  No clutches or
springs.  The carrier has a small window in one side.  Looks like 4
spider gears are jammed in there somehow. Anyone ever seen one of these?

Ken>>

Ken:

What you have is a cone style posi unit.  There are some springs in there, in
the very middle. There are three of them, one outer and two inner.  The
4-spider gears are correct.  This posi is arguably the strongest 10 bolt out
there.  I blew the 2 pinion model in my 65 442 within 30 days of ownership.
 The 4 pinion posi that came with the 67 is still in there.  Although it did
get a little rest while I was running the wimpy 3.08 open rear in the gas
starved mid 70's.

The only problem is if you waste the unit it can't be rebuilt.  I have saved
several. If you or anyone else is interested in how, check the FAQ and/or
e-mail me.

There is more information in the FAQ.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:12:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: R-406a

Kevin Wong wrote:

>>R-406a has proven itself in
stationary refrigeration systems long before it became acceptable for use
in automobiles.  In my case, I didn't replace the original hoses in my '80
Fleetwood.  It is possible the "smaller" gas, R-22, will leak out more
quickly than the others leading to a composition change over time.>>

I checked out the "www.aircondition.com" site.  Information there indicates
that R-406a means changing to barrier hoses.  The main problem however is
that it is controlled in the same manner as R-12 which us do-it-ourselfers
are out of luck.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:23:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: hallmark xmas ornament

Guess what I saw and purchased this evening.  Hall mark has a 69 Hurst olds
ornament this year for their classic car collection price $13.  Fitting that
this year they would bring out an olds.  I really wasn't supposed to know about
it but my wife purchased it for me and I happened to be there when it fell out
of the bag thanks to one of our children.  What better to decorate your tree
than some fine american muscle.  Wonder what the cars have been in the past
years in that series.  I guess they do one a year.

Happy shopping
Doug H
70 supreme conv.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 17:32:21 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: 70 W-30 paint template

I am looking for a used paint template that someone may have of the 1970
442 W-30 stripes... That is if a paint template can be reused.  I don't
know exactally what they are, but I do know for me to get the correct
stripes on the car, I need one.  And the ones it Year One are pretty
expensive.
I would be willing to pay some money, and/or shipping.
Please e-mail me privately at bodog@napanet.net
Thanks
Brad
70 442

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:08:48 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Smog Adventure

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> I was enjoying my morning cuppa, reading the Olds mail, when...
>
> 
> <Snort> Huh??
> 
> No Bill, you misunderstand.  I've only been poking fun with you,
> in what I assumed to be genial repartee, between you and I when
> you've made disparate remarks about folks & culture north of the
> Mason-Dixon.  I have never meant offense to any cause or citizenry
> in the South.
> 
> Guess I'll have to make a note that you've no sense of humor, huh?
> 
> Remember, I used to live in 'Bama too,not far from Decatur.
> Took 'Bama history for three years.
> 
> Yours in Oldsmobiling
> 
> Tim Churchill


Tim,

Alright, if you lived in Bama once it might be okay.  Nerves are a
little sore yet as the War of Northern Aggression is still fresh in
every civilized heart.

I never take offense at you & your petty jokes.  I love Boston too & may
get there in September or October.  Possibly I can look you up.  I want
to meet the person who could desert the South & not seem ashamed.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.  No offense has ever been taken.  Thank you for being friendly.

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:32:32 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: On the road again...

>      A.J., bless his heart, wants to do this again and has been on me to 
>      detail the engine compartment on the W-30.  We went to the coin-op 
>      carwash Sunday and blasted the engine (yes, unfortunately, it _was_ 
>      that bad).  He then proceeded to scrub down the red fenderwells and 
>      Armor All them.  Meanwhile, I dressed the harnesses and cleaned up a

>      set of finned RACs for installation for now.
>      
>      While getting to work on the car feels good (it has been far too
long, 
>      due to family, work, divorce, remarriage, house, etc), doing it with

>      my son felt even better.  And being able to get second gear scratch
is 
>      pretty cool too.... ;)
 
There is nothing like geting to work on something you both love with a son.
I have a 18 year old that I have had the privlege of spending many hours
working on various projects with. He will be gone off to school soon but my
10 year old is going to be just as much fun. Life is good when you can
spend part of it with your kids and agree on what music to listen to while
working on a hot rod. Enjoy every minute of it you can, time sure goes
fast.
Walter 

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:30:52 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Oldsmobiles in Junque Yarde

Everyone,

I was just at a junque yarde that I frequent & decided to take notes on
some Oldsmobiles that I spotted.

1967 Delta 88: 4 door hardtop, nice trim in most places, complete 425
4-barrel & AC, cornering lights, no PW.

1977 Cutlass Supreme: several w/good trim, one has rear glass defroster.

1978 Cutlass:  several, 2 w/full gauges, some buckets, consoles, clock.

1979 Cutlass: plain model

1981 Cutlass Brougham

1982 Cutlass: several, good trim.

1984 Cutlass: good trim.

Numerous 4-doors

1972 Cutlass 4-door w/nice dash pad, no front clip or engine/trans.

15" newer ralley wheels w/trim, 14" newer & older ralley wheels w/trim,
1 vinyl 15" Olds wheel w/large vents around edge - no trim.

If I can help anyone w/parts from these, I will look.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:33:57 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: hallmark xmas ornament

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> Guess what I saw and purchased this evening.  Hall mark has a 69 Hurst olds
> ornament this year for their classic car collection price $13.  
> 
> Happy shopping
> Doug H
> 70 supreme conv.

Well!  Merry Christmas Doug.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 20:39:12 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Weekend fun and Monday blues

Dave Paulison wrote:

	<snip>

  Going to the Allstate claims office tomorrow to
> get a check cut; hopefully I won't have any trouble with them.
> 
> At least it wasn't the Olds with a smashed window.  I can't imagine
> trying to find a window for it; it's a 4DHT.  The Eclipse at least is
> easy to get parts for, even if they are pricey.
> 
> Dave Paulison                    1

Dave,

I just had to recind my recinsion of Boston.  Do I have to recind my
statement about FL now?  Here's hoping that the beurocrats are having a
good day.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:07:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re: Seat backs

I noticed all the talk about 68-72 seat backs and just had to speak up...we
now offer the best reproduction seat backs and seat bottoms on the market.
  Unlike those sold by other suppliers,  the grain on ours is very very close
to the original, and WE OFFER THEM IN COLORS!  (Including pearl) No need to
go through all the spray paint jazz...just pick up your phone and call us at
800-442-PART (7278) and we will ship them today.  Hope this helps.  

Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,
Steve Kenny

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:18:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re: glass hotel/ss center caps questions

We sell the correct insert decals for SSI , SSII, and SSIII and they have the
correct embossed background.  Hope this helps.

Sincerely For Oldsmobiles
Steve Kenny

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:08:45 -0400
From: "Jon" <latvis@globalserve.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Speakers

- ----------
> From: Lloyd W. Culp <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Convertible Speakers
> Date: sestdiena, 1997. gada 19. jūlijs 18:53
> 
> Lloyd Ferguson wrote:
> > 
> > I have recently purchased a 69 Cutlass convertible and would like to
> > upgrade the orginal AM mono radio system.  Does anyone know if these
cars
> > came with factory rear Stereo speakers, where and how are they are
mounted?
> > Also were there front speakers other than the one in the center?
> > 
> > Lloyd Ferguson
> 
> 
> Lloyd,
> 
> There was only one factory speaker in the center of the dash.  There are
> openings for 2 6x9's in the bracing behind the rear seat (top well
> area).  Of course, if these are used when the top is down expect muffled
> garbled sounds.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Eh Lloyd,

I am hoping to buy a '69 convertible in the near future and also plan on
upgrading the stereo.  I wasn't even aware of the fact that they came with
a mono setup with one speaker in the dash!

Converting to stereo on your highs, (Dash tweeters), without hacking any
holes in your dash is easy.  High frequencies don't require speaker
enclosures like woofers do.  In this case you could mount them anywhere,
like under the dash, as long as they aren't too concealed; high frequencies
don't travel through barriers as well as low frequencies do.

I would then put a pair of good 6x9s in separate enclosures that you can
buy at any car audio shop and mount them somewhere in the back.  They
usually go behind the back seat by the window, but I don't think you will
be able to considering it's a convertible?  I don't know, I've never taken
a close look at the setup.
________________________________________________________
Jon Gulbis
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Norton chopper

Drop me a line at: latvis@globalserve.net
See my resume at: 
http://www.globalserve.net/~latvis/computing/resume.html

(Olds page soon to be constructed)

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:23:22 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Seat backs

At 10:07 PM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I noticed all the talk about 68-72 seat backs and just had to speak up...we
>now offer the best reproduction seat backs and seat bottoms on the market.
>  Unlike those sold by other suppliers,  the grain on ours is very very close
>to the original, and WE OFFER THEM IN COLORS!  (Including pearl) No need to
>go through all the spray paint jazz...just pick up your phone and call us at
>800-442-PART (7278) and we will ship them today.  Hope this helps.  
>
>Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,
>Steve Kenny

Steve,

Thanks for the info! I'll be doing my interior over (once I decide on a
color), so that's genuinely useful information. While I'm not too fond of
simply commercial posts, I think it's perfectly appropriate when a vendor
offers new information here on the list about a new or unique product that
they can supply (especially for those who do not have a catalog).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:32:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: MEOWIZ@aol.com
Subject: What Is The Problem?

This Mail Problem Has Gone On Far Too Long...What Is The Problem?!?!  You
Guys Are Capable Of Doing A Million Things Under The Hood, But Keeping E-Mail
Straight Is Sticky?  You're Really Logging Up My Mail box, Can This Be Fixed
Soon?

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:43:11 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Seat backs

> >800-442-PART (7278) and we will ship them today.  Hope this helps.  
> >
> >Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,
> >Steve Kenny
> 
> Steve,
> 
> Thanks for the info! I'll be doing my interior over (once I decide on a
> color), so that's genuinely useful information. While I'm not too fond of
> simply commercial posts, I think it's perfectly appropriate when a vendor
> offers new information here on the list about a new or unique product
that
> they can supply (especially for those who do not have a catalog).
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
I have to agree with the Dr. The post he refered too was very Olds related
and tastefully done, unlike some of the spam we have got latley. 
Walter

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 21:47:22 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: What Is The Problem?

- ----------
> From: MEOWIZ@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: What Is The Problem?
> Date: Monday, July 21, 1997 9:32 PM
> 
> This Mail Problem Has Gone On Far Too Long...What Is The Problem?!?!  You
> Guys Are Capable Of Doing A Million Things Under The Hood, But Keeping
E-Mail
> Straight Is Sticky?  You're Really Logging Up My Mail box, Can This Be
Fixed
> Soon?
What is the problem? I dont know. I get about 75 Olds related E-mails a day
What could possibably be wrong with that? Just reading Loyd Culps messages
is worth deleating a few messaged that dont intrest me. 
Walter

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:53:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 72 4dr parts available

OK, the '72 4-dr, oops, "Town Sedan" is now history. Turns out the interior is
"Saddle" which those of us with color-vocabulary impairment call "brown."

Anyhow, the dash is quite pretty, will part with that for, oh, $50 complete
plus shipping. Hood hinges, $20/pr. 4 real pretty brown door panels, $5 plus
shipping. Yep, five buckies. Just for the packing. Manual brake master
cylinder &/or actuating rod already spoken for.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:57:09 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1966 #3 Heads

At 07:06 PM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I curious what the cc's are for the #3 heads in 1966 and what they would be
>worth(in good shape)

The chamber size for all 330 heads was about 64-66cc; Mondello's chart lists
the #3's as having 65cc.

Unrebuilt, between $50-$150 per pair, depending on whether someone wanted
them for a buildup, or was looking to get the right castings for a
restoration. They wouldn't be a bad choice for a performance buildup, but
they wouldn't be the first choice, either.

>And out of all the 330 heads which are the best to find 

The '66-'67 heads would be best (#3 or #4). #2 are second choice. Avoid #1's
with the rocker shafts; parts are expensive.

>Robert Schinkel
>docbob@caninet.com
 ^^^^^^
Like that e-mail address!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:57:17 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: What Is The Problem?

At 10:32 PM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This Mail Problem Has Gone On Far Too Long...What Is The Problem?!?!  You
>Guys Are Capable Of Doing A Million Things Under The Hood, But Keeping E-Mail
>Straight Is Sticky?  You're Really Logging Up My Mail box, Can This Be Fixed
>Soon?

Uh-oh, now what have we been doing???
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:02:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: Buy This Please !!

In a message dated 97-07-21 22:31:21 EDT, you write:

> Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:02:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Wtd: 66 window cranks

Sad story, folks... I sold a nice lady a real pretty set of window cranks for
her 66 Cutlass convertible a while back. She was all happy, polished them up,
stashed them away... and the guy working on her car lost them. Now, they're at
top & window stage, and need to have window cranks. And, she needs pretty ones
for final assembly. They *can* use her old ones for assembly window movement...
I have a few on hand, nothing quite as pretty as were those others. Trouble is,
finding them.

I though maybe just maybe one of you guys out there would have a nice set for
the nice lady! I don't wanna make any $ out of this, if you can help her out,
call her directly, tell her I sent ya.

She is:
Sue Hauser
616.754.3483

She and her husband run the Parts Plus [?] Auto Parts store in Greenville, MI.
which is 616.754.3661, or -2...

Show her the magic of the internet! Somebody out there must have a set of
these- oh, the description- Typical of '64? to '66 GM's: chrome handle with
smallish chrome metal knobs. She needs all 4 of 'em.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:04:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: Buy This Please !!

my apologies for accidentally sending the previous message to the whole list!
bad typing.  typo.  bad.  nice sounding car too....

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:03:02 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: What Is The Problem?

At 09:47 PM 7/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>What is the problem? I dont know. I get about 75 Olds related E-mails a day
>What could possibably be wrong with that? Just reading Loyd Culps messages
>is worth deleating a few messaged that dont intrest me. 
>Walter

See, I guess I just have a different approach to this "problem"; I delete
Bill's messages, and read the ones that don't interest Walter. So it all
evens out in the end.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: '72 TH350 wire?

OK, had to extract the engine/ trans from the '72 before it went away... Funny,
the TH350 has a wire leading to it, goes down and connects into the RH
[passenger] side. Now, since the 350 has a kickdown CABLE, what the heck is
this wire for? The service manual does not say. Is it something to do with that
thermo-vacuum switch on the intake, dis/allowing spark advance based on trans
parameters?
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:04:42 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70 W-30 paint template

Brad Bowles wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a used paint template that someone may have of the 1970
> 442 W-30 stripes... That is if a paint template can be reused. 

Sorry Brad,

the paint stencils are a stick on, use-em-once variety.  The source is
Stencils and Stripes (I believe everyone uses these, including Year
One), and they have almost a fool proof method of application.  You can
get just the side stripes, the trunk stripes, and the W-25 hood stripes
separately or as a complete kit.  Yeah, they are a little expensive, but
also easy as pie.  You can also get the "blueprints" for the stripes,
and if you have a pretty decent paint man, he can pop those stripes on
per the drawings.  The drawings (I bought a set about 8 years ago) have
the trunk (convert. or H/T) and hood stripe specs as well as the side
stripes.  Nice detail.

Hope this helps.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:15:07 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: On the road again...

padavano.joe wrote:

	<snip>
> 
>      While getting to work on the car feels good (it has been far too long,
>      due to family, work, divorce, remarriage, house, etc), doing it with
>      my son felt even better.  And being able to get second gear scratch is
>      pretty cool too.... ;)
> 
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
> 

Joe,

I didn't know that you are a regular guy.  That is a nice story.  It is
great to see someone (someones?) having fun w/a car - especially a
Southerner.  Keep going to those cruises & take A.J. every time.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 15:21:19 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: parts needed;questions

At 10:36 AM 7/21/97 +0300, you wrote:
>The brake hoses never collapse. The metal brake hoses can however be

The inner liner of the hoses can break down, and obstruct the flow of brake
fluid, to the point where it is completely blocked (I had this problem with
my Toronado). Before it gets to that point, however, a partial blockage will
affect the proportion of the breaking pressure that one cylinder receives,
relative to the others, resulting in a pull. If the hoses are over ten years
old, it's a good idea to replace them as a matter of course.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:46:15 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: 403 => 7a heads

Considering you seem to know alot about the heads. I have a Rocket 
350 with 403 heads. Modello said t deck the .20 thou but I did 10 
because I did not know what was doen to them before. The reason I did 
not put the 350 heads back on is because someone at the Machine Shop 
stole them :) Imagine that!!They stole my 3a heads..So my real ??? is 
how good are the 4a heads...

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 14:40:08 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 69 Axle shaft

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a Mopar man. Well now I'm the proud owner of a 69 Cutlass S convertible =
and I love it!=20

Thank you Lisa for the link to this list.

To finish this beautifull machine I need some help in locating a couple =
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It would be preferable to find one with the bearing, seals and retainers =
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2. original antenna plastic "hold down" cap.=20

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:39:58 -0400
From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Back from the dead -- '84 Cutlass Sup. w/307-Y

Hi all,

  Work has been very busy lately, and I haven't even been able to get caught up on my digest
subscription! (receive & delete) :(  Hope to make it to Lansing -- I live nearby.

  The Story:  

After letting my '84 Supreme sit (in a covered shelter) for a year and a half, it is now
back to life!  It only took 3 squirts of starting fluid to kick it back to life:  the first two
just to see if it would turn over and a bigger third drink to give the fuel pump time to pump
some gas up front.  Bingo!  Purrs like a kitten; burning no oil, etc.  Hooray.  I knew I liked
Olds. for a reason.  A good wash and it looks like .... well it doesn't look like new, it looks
like an '84 Olds w/164,000 michigan miles and a dozen winters under its belt.

  The Pitch:

Now that my little blue gem is running again, I want to sell it.

   1984 Olds. Cutlass Supreme Coupe w/ 307 V8, vin code Y, THM-200c tranny, blue, 
   very nice dark blue interior, air, cruise, 14" SSIII(?) mag wheels, ~164,000 miles.
   and new 205-70R14 tires (less than 5000 miles on them).

   Sounds like a nice ride, doesn't it?  
   
   The Flaws:
	Passenger side door rusty & rusted shut.
      Rusty drivers side door & assorted spots "here & there"
      thm-200c tranny wearing out (needs new or rebuilt one)
   
   Plus Side:
      New tires (205-70R14) w/less than 5000 miles on them.
      Engine strong; recent 75Amp alternator, water pump, radiator,
      intake manifold gaskets, belts & hoses, gas tank, u-joints,
      and exhaust system.

   The deal:
      $500.00 takes it. All of it. Won't part it out.


   Location:
       Auburn Hills, MI (N. of Detroit)

Contact me if interested:
	bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com
      
Bruce D. Brumm
'86 Cutlass Salon (307-Y, black, t-tops, etc.)
'84 Cutlass Supreme (307-Y, blue)
   

  

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:22:28 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: '72 TH350 wire?

At 11:08 PM 7/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>OK, had to extract the engine/ trans from the '72 before it went away... Funny,
>the TH350 has a wire leading to it, goes down and connects into the RH
>[passenger] side. Now, since the 350 has a kickdown CABLE, what the heck is
>this wire for? The service manual does not say. Is it something to do with that
>thermo-vacuum switch on the intake, dis/allowing spark advance based on trans
>parameters?

Yes, in fact it was called the T.C.S (Transmission Controlled Spark), not to
be confused with the T.V.S. (Thermostatic Vacuum Switch) system. It allowed
vacuum advance only in high gear, for emissions purposes. Owner's manual
describes this setup.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:37:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: axle swap

   I finally swapped rear axles between my '67 and '65 442's.  The '67 is on
its way out and I didn't want to let it go with the 3:55 posi while my '65
came with a 3:08 open.  It only took 7 hours to do the swap.  Thank God for
WD-40.  Both sets of coils were new, but the tops were different, so I had
to change them as well.   The only snaffu was the flexible brake lines had
different sized female ends.  A couple of brass conversions my uncle was
keeping for a rainy day later, and the cars were roadworthy.  The '65 loves
the new gears with its 4 speed.  Next up is new cam/lifters and cross over
pipe.  Later.



  Paul Brillhart




   

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:07:00 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: test do not read

is this working

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:35:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 69 Toro f/sale

There's a '69 Toro available here in Lansing as Capitol Motors, Saginaw? &
Pennsylvania... I checked it out a little... gets the nod of approval on frame
rust [virtually none], rust in general, first glance looks. Motor is '70 455
with incorrect carb. Not a bad motor. Less appreciated features include the
strange white bucket seats, not from this car nor matching color, and the
coke-can-half fuel cap. Needs a lot of TLC to be really presentable, but
rustwise is an excellent candidate.
  I know nothing else of this car, do not stand to profit, gain, or lose in any
way if you like or don't like this car. Oh, yeah, it's a mere $1800 or so now,
I bet they'd take less, a lot less.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 13:40:02 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Michigan Festival Buttons

Toroids, Oldsmoids-

A friend has had to fold on the Lansing trip, has two Michigan Festival buttons 
available.  These get you into the concerts and Grand Finale... get in touch 
with me directly if interested, thanks!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 12:42:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: 455 Toro for a Cutlass Manifold?

  Some time ago I picked up a '68 455 out of a Toronado.  For my '65 442
I've got the original manifold, the Toro manifold, and a Torker.  As the
Toro manifold had a noticable depression in the center, I'd like to swap it
for a non-EGR '68-'70 400-455 manifold.  Anyone with a Toronado interested
in a straight up swap out there?



  Thanks.


  Paul Brillhart

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 22:29:19 +0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: What Is The Problem?

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> At 09:47 PM 7/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >What is the problem? I dont know. I get about 75 Olds related E-mails a day
> >What could possibably be wrong with that? Just reading Loyd Culps messages
> >is worth deleating a few messaged that dont intrest me.
> >Walter
> 
> See, I guess I just have a different approach to this "problem"; I delete
> Bill's messages, and read the ones that don't interest Walter. So it all
> evens out in the end.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry 

Bob,

Are you trying to say that my readership isn't what it appears?  Luckily
one cannot wrap fish electronicly.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:01:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: quartz clock conversions 

In a message dated 97-07-20 02:55:26 EDT, you write:

<< Bill,
 Instruments Services Inc., in Roscoe, Ill. 1(800)558-2674. They will not
only 
 make the clock work, they will clean it up.
 
 Art Fuller
 mefco@sprynet.com >>

Hmmm... that's just down the road from me.  (for Karl, and dave, that's where
my in-laws garage is, and yes, mine also, since they are the same place :).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:24:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 442 FS

In a message dated 97-07-21 23:32:28 EDT, you write:

<< 71 442 HT vin# 344871M129466
 ST71 34487LAN253970
 TR 952   11 11
 01A
 (I'll just type in the info on the sheet of paper that was on the car.)
 1971 (last model year)
 White with green interior
 455/270 horsepower
 8.5-1 compression
 3.23 rear gear
 1st year of unleaded gas >>

BOTH MY 71 AND 72'S WERE LEADED GAS CARS...SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS

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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 23:51:23 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Wtd: 66 window cranks

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Sad story, folks... I sold a nice lady a real pretty set of window cranks for
> her 66 Cutlass convertible a while back. She was all happy, polished them up,
> stashed them away... and the guy working on her car lost them. Now, they're at
> top & window stage, and need to have window cranks. And, she needs pretty ones
> for final assembly. They *can* use her old ones for assembly window movement...
> I have a few on hand, nothing quite as pretty as were those others. Trouble is,
> finding them.
> 
> I though maybe just maybe one of you guys out there would have a nice set for
> the nice lady! I don't wanna make any $ out of this, if you can help her out,
> call her directly, tell her I sent ya.
> 
> She is:
> Sue Hauser
> 616.754.3483
> 
> She and her husband run the Parts Plus [?] Auto Parts store in Greenville, MI.
> which is 616.754.3661, or -2...
> 
> Show her the magic of the internet! Somebody out there must have a set of
> these- oh, the description- Typical of '64? to '66 GM's: chrome handle with
> smallish chrome metal knobs. She needs all 4 of 'em.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Last I checked year one sells them. 3 of mine are excellent but I will
need one more for my final stage as well and thats where I plan to get
mine. Cannot tell the difference.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 00:02:01 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: 66 Cutlass/330 questions

I have a couple of questions about my 66 Cutlass.  First, I'd like to
know if anyone has production info on the 66 convertible (NON-442) and
if many were made with AC?  Secondly, I finally got to pulling my
acessories this weekend and I've been wanting to see my heads for the ID
# but when I got to the machined pad on the right head, it's empty!  No
numbers whatsoever and it looks to me that it has never had #'s on it. 
Could they have made a mistake at the factory or could these be "service
replacement" heads thrown on by a dealership somewhere along the way? 
I'm am almost 100% certain that this is the original engine.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:24:02 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Pick-a-parts in LA

At 10:22 AM 7/21/97 PST8, you wrote:
>A circa 1970 98 with 455 (E Heads) and front disks.  Couln't figure out the
>exact year might be a 71 or 2.  

E's would be stock on a '70.

<snip>
>1970 Cutlass Supreme AMFM stereo,  has been sitting around for 12 years, worked
>when I took it out.  Can't find the booster box for the back channel though. 
> How's $30 plus shipping sound?

Do those stereo units work without the separate amp? I've got a stereo unit
from my '69 Toro, where the two pieces are connected by a rather thick cable
with a DIN-style connector to the main unit; something is wrong with it, but
I'm suspecting it might just be the speakers.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 01:24:05 -0400
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 Toro for a Cutlass Manifold?

At 12:42 PM 7/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
>  Some time ago I picked up a '68 455 out of a Toronado.  For my '65 442
>I've got the original manifold, the Toro manifold, and a Torker.  As the
>Toro manifold had a noticable depression in the center, I'd like to swap it
>for a non-EGR '68-'70 400-455 manifold.  Anyone with a Toronado interested
>in a straight up swap out there?

For the '68 Toro motor I'm swapping into my SX, I'm going to stick with the
original Toro 4-bbl, just because it's on there, and it doesn't cause much
of a restriction. If you want a 4-bbl intake, but not a low-rise Toro unit,
then what about the stock one from your '65? Or do you want to run a
spreadbore carb like the Quadrajet, rather than a square-bore like your
'65's original 4GC? One thing to watch out for; up to '69, the carbs used a
divorced choke coil, which sat in a pocket in the intake manifold, wheras
after they used the integral choke that depended upon a hot air pipe. Get an
intake to match your carb.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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