
oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 11 1997       Volume 01 : Number 794



Re: '68 Color Codes
=?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hubcap_=B478_Supreme?=
Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain
Re: Lansing list
Re: pivot pin thread size
Re: brake pedal problem
Re: brake pedal problem
Re: brake pedal problem
'70 Cutlass conv.
Non Olds 
Re: '70 Cutlass conv.
Re: delta 88s II
Re: '80 W-30 For Sale
Tech Service bulletins at a flea market 
Re: NOS Vent Window Handle For Sale
Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain
Re: Suggestion: An International Helping Hand
Re: Need assistance identifying '76 442
Re: An International Helping Hand
Lansing Car Rental
delta 88s III
Re: Lansing Car Rental
Re: '70 Cutlass conv.
1984 Hurst/Olds Brochure For Sale (8/11)
Re: OLDS (3) 4 Sale
Re: SSIII,s
Heads swap-advice/help needed
OLDS NIghts at the Drags Steve B.
Re: Lansing Car Rental,response
Cowl Screen Replacement (long)
70 442 W31 For Sale
Re: Tech Service bulletins at a flea market 
Last Minute Lansing Travel Route Help
Re: Lansing list
Re: 70 442 W31 For Sale
Fender Prices
RE: 70 442 W31 For Sale
hello again
Year Code
Re: Belts....
Re: Fender Prices
Re: Year Code
Re: Suggestion: An International Helping Hand
Re: Fender Prices
Re: back issues of "Journey with Olds", want them?
Re: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam
Re: hello again
Re: Old(s) home movies
Re: tire size question
UNBOUNCE: Last Minute Lansing Travel Route 
Re: new to this
Re: tire size question
Re: 71 442 Altenator
Re: tire size question
Re: 71 442 Altenator
Re: tire size question
Re: delta 88s II
Re: tire size question

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 17:18:38 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Color Codes

Hi Paul,

> Someone here the other day was asking about '68 GM color codes.  I just
> realized I have that information.  Here it is, there are no Cadillacs,
> they used numbers instead of letters:

That probably was me.  Thanks....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:30:29 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_Hubcap_=B478_Supreme?=

 Roland,
About 70 kilometres from where I live there is a weird place at a crossroads
that sells farm produce from a stand in front of the house. Everywhere on
the property is hubcaps! Thousands of hubcaps! They hang from the trees,
cover every inch of fence around the property and there is a large shed that
all you can see inside is hubcaps.
Next Saturday, I will go there and try to find your hubcap. Of course, maybe
the old guy that owns the place treats hubaps as sacred objects and none are
for sale <G>; but seriously, if there isn't one there, I wouldn't know where
else to look.
I hope that next week isn't too late, since I will be out town most of this
week.
Will let you know after my trip.
By the way; what's a Tombola?

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 10, 1997 8:30 PM
Subject: Hubcap ´78 Supreme



Hello Olds friends,

<snip>
the picture of the needed hubcap can be seen under

http://www.bonn.netsurf.de/~Roland.Klinger/HUBCAP.JPG

<snip>

Greetings, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 21:05:12 -0700
From: markops@Traveller.COM
Subject: Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain

Matthew Mayer wrote:
> 
> PaulP34167@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 97-08-10 14:03:21 EDT, you write:
> >
> > > Before we left the lot, i turned the key all the way
> > >  off, the re-started the engine, the check engine light went off and
> > >  stayed off... untill 2 mins later down the road at 45mph it died in a
> > >  split second like before.. ARRGHHH... I restarted it, the CE light came
> > >  on again, i said heck with it and drove it with the light on, it didnt
> > >  stall out any more...  Now even if I turn the key all the way off and
> > >  re-start it the light wont go off... I also dont have a SCANNER!  So i
> > >  dont know what the CE light is whineing about... I have considered
> > >  disconnecting the Computer Command altogether... I hate that thing...
> > >  Can I do that?  Somebody please help!?
> > >
> > >
> > >  Adam Andersen
> >
> > Adam, you need to find out what code is being set.  You can do this by using
> > a special key that you plug into the computer connector under the dash.  You
> > can get this free at Autozone and probably other parts houses.  Yes you can
> <snip>
> 
> special key??  We don't need no stinking special key! :->
> I use a pair of needlenose pliers.  Insert the two "needles" into the
> upper right hand two terminals (Lovingly known as "A" and "B"..) of your
> Assembly Line Communications Link connector, which is located under your
> radio on the drivers side.
> Looks like this:
> -------------
> |F|E|D|C|B|A|
> -------------
> | | | | | | |
> -------------
> 
> Do this with your ign. key on and your engine stopped.  The computer
> will then flash the check engine light.  It will flash a digit, pause
> and flash the second digit of the code and repeate this three times for
> each code set.  The first code that should come up is 12, which is
> normal.  Note any other codes you get and check them our in your service
> manual.  If you don't have one, drop me a note and I will look it up in
> my '86 manual.
> 
> HTH
> 
> ---Matt
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------
> mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
> --------------------------------------------------------


Adam, 
A paper clip bent into the right shape works for me. And you can get the
codes from a Chiltons manual - but you got to be careful with what the
codes tell you. Sometimes if one problem gets fixed it will fix the
others (codes that is).
Pete M. (85 442 / 71 chevelle malibu)

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:34:06 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing list

UPDATING.........
 _______________________________________________________________________
>     NAME                 HOTEL               DATE       CAR           >     ====                 =====               ====       ===
> Adams, Tom           Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta conv
> Allen, Joseph        Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
> Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
> Bicker, Steve        Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
> Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71 Cutlass 70 W-30
> Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
> Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
> Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass S
> Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
> Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
> Gillespie, Mick      Battle Creek Inn     8/21-23   69 Cutlass S conv
> Glista, Nikki        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 442
> Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
> Hall, Mike           Holiday Inn West     8/21-24   72 Cutlass S
> Handren, Bob&Cheryl  Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   67 442 W-30
> Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
> Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
> Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
> Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Hoopingarner, Kevin  Cottonwood CG        8/19-24   none
> Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
> Kitchner, Doug       Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
> Kobinsky, Jeff&Patti Days Inn             8/20-22   86 98
> Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
> Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 Starfire
> McKeague, Jim        Holiday Inn South    8/20-23   70 Cutlass W-31
> Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
> O'Connor, Peg        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   none
> Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
> Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
> Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
> Richmond, John       FairField Inn West   8/22-23   72 442
> Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
> Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
> Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
> Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
> Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
> Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
> Thompson, Doug       Regent Inn           8/20      67 442
> Westlake, Steve      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 98
> Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
> Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
> Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
> _______________________________________________________________________ LIST TOTAL = 56 People

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:42:49 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: pivot pin thread size

ok. Heres the problem. I am attempting to "build" my own homemade pivot pin
> remover. one suggestion was to use a bolt and carefully pull to remove the
> pins. Whats the pivot pin inside thread size or in other words what size
> diameter  bolt will screw into the pin. I dont want to strip or damage the
>pin. 
> 
> TIA >>
>Hi,
>     I believe the thread size is 8-32 machine screw. Steve B.
>

Steve B, Youre right!!!!!

Thanks for the info. Will "create" the tool tmmrw and let you know how it works.

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:36:23 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: brake pedal problem

thanks for the help!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:38:07 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: brake pedal problem

Thanks alot for the help Bill!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 23:42:48 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: brake pedal problem

<Does the brake warning light come on?>
Nope. 

<Is there a full master cylinder?>
Yes.

<Are you leaking fluid anywhere?> 
Not a drop

<How do the brake hoses look?>
OK, as far as I can see.

Thanks for the feedback.  I'm thinking it's the booster.  Well it looks like 
I'm going to learn something new.  Never worked on a brake booster before.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:27:50 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: '70 Cutlass conv.

Looked at one today.It's blueish green white top (new) and interior, a/c,
350 4bbl., th350, 12 bolt claims the top works. What it doesn't have front
clip, steering wheel, front seat, tires, rims, windshield, top switch and
is completly apart. It's rusty but not that bad for this area. It would
need rear qtr's the piece that goes from the trunk to the qtr panel. He
said there's a hole in the frame (1"x4")where the driver side rail turns in
towards the engine behind the tire. He's parting it but will take $450 for
whats left. I wouldn't mind getting the motor for my truck so I might call
him and offer $300 for it (car).

Daren

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:40:38 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Non Olds 

A guy I work with was telling me his parents get fleet rates when they go
to the dealer for repairs because they have them in so often. Bet you can
guess what they own. Explorer, Windstar, Ranger. The Ranger used to be his
and he said he will never own a Ford again. If it was me I would start
buying from a differant car company but I guess some people never learn.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:19:01 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: '70 Cutlass conv.

Daren where are you from
If your near I may desire some parts

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
> To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: '70 Cutlass conv.
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 1997 11:27 PM
> 
> Looked at one today.It's blueish green white top (new) and interior, a/c,
> 350 4bbl., th350, 12 bolt claims the top works. What it doesn't have
front
> clip, steering wheel, front seat, tires, rims, windshield, top switch and
> is completly apart. It's rusty but not that bad for this area. It would
> need rear qtr's the piece that goes from the trunk to the qtr panel. He
> said there's a hole in the frame (1"x4")where the driver side rail turns
in
> towards the engine behind the tire. He's parting it but will take $450
for
> whats left. I wouldn't mind getting the motor for my truck so I might
call
> him and offer $300 for it (car).
> 
> Daren

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:54:31
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

At 10:00 AM 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I don't own a Delta88 but I do have a '65 Jetstar I 88.  I guess that
>might count.  I agree that there is not nearly enough 88/98 discussion
>here.  
>
>Rick Anderson
>Clarkston, MI
>'65 Olds Jetstar I

I think that _all_ 88's should count!  That includes Supers, Dynamics,
Jetstars, Delmonts, and Deltas.  Plus the plain "88"s and current
"Eighty-Eights" and the earlier "Rocket 88s" and "88 Holidays" from the '50s.


HOWEVER, Rick!  A Jetstar I is just that.  There was no such thing as a
"Jetstar I 88" (at least as far as I'm aware.  I used to own a '64 Jetstar
88.)  There was a separate "Jetstar 88" in '64, '65, and '66 that was
distinct in several ways from the Jetstar I.

The Jetstar I was and is more closely associated with the Starfire.  In
fact, there is a Starfire/Jetstar I chapter in OCA.


Dan

************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:11:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: '80 W-30 For Sale

In a message dated 97-08-09 22:50:49 EDT, you write:

<< > Geez... this sure didn't look like a hack job. It was a metal sunroof,
 > paint matched the rest of the car perfectly. Next time I go down that way
 > I'll have to look at it again from the interior side. It looked factory
 > to me though. I didn't know they only made 342 of these cars, had no idea
 > it was that rare.
 
 Greg, all told there were 886 of the 80 442 W-30's made. 346 were
 white/gold, the 540 were black/gold. I have done alot of research on
 these cars and have never seen an option, or a car for that matter with
 a factory sunroof that was an 80 442 W-30. It ~could~ be possible it was
 a factory unstall....if so that is one seriously rare car. Also a
 possibility it was a dealer installed option upon delivery, like my rear
 spoiler was. Let me know more details on the car if you go and look at
 it. Could you take pictures of both the exterior, interior and sunroof?
 I would pay you for all the troubles. I like to gather photos on the 80
 442 W-30 as Olds never had a factory photo made of the car. Thanks!  >>

Did you say this car was the White/Gold or the Black/Gold?  Dont
 know if this helps any but I remember a Black/Gold 80 442 W30
that was sold by a dealer named Williamson Olds in Lincoln NE.
It was a brand new car for sale on their dealer floor and it was a 
moonroof or sunroof car. I could swear that there was a dealer add-
on for the roof and it was done by an outside company. Not positive
on that part but Williamson I believe is still in business and might 
have knowledge of this to verify.....TIM 

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 22:17:12 PDT
From: "E.E. Ernie" <deadeye80@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tech Service bulletins at a flea market 

I am glad to be back amongst Olds fans after a 3-month hiatus from the 
list.

I recently acquired a complete set of 1970 and 71 Olds service guild 
newsletters and service bulletins, nicely arranged in a black 3-ring 
binder with the Olds service guild logo on the cover.  All sorts of 
interesting items included, such as:

1) Factory bulletin on why the W30 carbs have no primary metering rods.
2) Bulletin on how to repair defects in the rear spoiler/wing.
3) Bulletin on how to repair Ralleye 350 bumper dents/scratches. 
4) Guild article detailing changes to the 1971 shop manual, in the form 
of instructions to add 3.23 (and it gives the code stamped on the axle, 
which I forget)to the list of available axle ratios for the 4400 series 
W30.  

Not sure if these bulletins have been reproduced elsewhere.  I've never 
seen them before.  They were a bargain for $3.00 (The vendor was asking 
$5.00, which I considered just too high).  There are a lot of articles 
on TH400 transmission service bulletins, Toronado and 88/98 problems and 
FM reception problems (due to the antenna in the windshield).  

Of special interst to Andy Green, there was a bulletin on repairing rear 
window electric defogger grids, and another detailing the use of soapy 
water to apply the Ralleye 350 decal set.  however, there were none 
dealing with the use of soapy water to apply the electric grid to the 
window. 


If you are looking for specifics let me know.  Also, if somebody has a 
way of reproducing/scanning/posting  these bulletins for all to use, I'm 
open to suggestions, provided the copyright issues can be addressed.

  

It's good to be back.

Scott Mullen
1970 442
deadeye80@hotmail.com
(formerly r_mullen@merck.com)  

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:47:34 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: NOS Vent Window Handle For Sale

Tom,

I can use that LH vent window handle.
As you might allready know, I live in The Netherlands, Europe. So
shipping will be a little more expensive.
I can pay you (in advance) by money-transfer or send you the money in
cash (since it isn't that much). I've done this before, let me know what
you think of it!

Jim Hoekendijk, '64 Cutlass Vista Cruiser.
hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 01:50:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 85Cutlassprobsagain

In a message dated 97-08-10 14:03:21 EDT, you write:

<< re-start it the light wont go off... I also dont have a SCANNER!  So i
 dont know what the CE light is whineing about... I have considered
 disconnecting the Computer Command altogether... I hate that thing...
 Can I do that?  Somebody please help!?
  >>
Hayes has a book for $9.95 that gives all the trouble codes for all the
American made cars and also shows you how to get the trouble codes
from the car with the expense of a scanner or a waste of money code 
reader. My 87 GM (other brand, sister car) only requires the use of a 
paper  clip to obtain the codes......TIM

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:14:06 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: Suggestion: An International Helping Hand

Yes, Offcourse, a great idea!

I've been helped out several times now. Maybe you still remember that my
hood molding and letters were destroyed while they should have been
re-chromed. Well, as I mentioned earlier, thanks to you guys (and ladies) I
was able to get replacements, some at very low costs, some at slightly
high costs. So, we've done it before and it really works!
I've payed (in advance) in US or CAD $ by money-transfer - which is the
cheapest and safest way - and for smaller amounts I've payed in cash -
which is the fastest method.

I wish I could go to Lansing. If I lived in the US, I would surely go!

Everett from E & G Automotive is allready going to look out for the '64
Vista Cruiser scripts for me at Lansing.

An other item I  need is the outside mirror, I don't have all the specs here
at my work, but I can get them for you later.

Though I think it's to much to ask, I'd love to have a licenseplateholder
with something about a VC on it!

Hope you all have a good time at Lansing!


Jim Hoekendijk, '64 Cutlass Vista Cruiser
hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 00:41:23 -0700
From: "Steve Curry" <Mr.442Guy@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Need assistance identifying '76 442

I had a '76 442.  Mine was silver with a black stripe and white interior. 
It had the 455, console, tilt, cruise, air, ps, pb, gauges (no tach).  I
bought it in march of '82.  I tried to buy a '76 442 with the 455 new.  The
dealer told me that the 455 was no longer available (may of '76).  The 455
may be hard to find in a '76.  I liked my car, it was a great driver.  I
dont know how to tell you if the car you're looking at is a real 442, but
if it is the 455 may make it more collectable.

- ----------
> From: NotDads442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Need assistance identifying '76 442
> Date: Thursday, August 07, 1997 5:03 PM
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> My wife and I are looking at a 1976 442(?). The car is burgundy in color
with
> white stripes along the bottom of the car and over the wheel wells.  It
has a
> 455 and auto on the floor,Tilt/Cruise, AC, AM/FM and that's about it. 
I'm
> unsure how to tell if this is really a 442.  
> 
> I do have the VIN its 3G37T6R162496.  Can anybody decode this for me and
tell
> me if it really is a 442.
> 
> The dealership is asking $5995 for the car.  I think that's too high
since I
> can tell that the car has been recently painted and I can still see
daylight
> thru the trunk via the wheel wells.  They were closing when we got there
and
> we didn't get a chance to drive the car yet.  We are going to try again
> tommorrow.  So I would like to have any info I can get before I go back.
> 
> Any h*lp I can get will be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks much!
> Cecil
> 1991 W-41

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 05:06:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: An International Helping Hand

never mind the stickers, u get to drive your rockets on the
AUTOBAHN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:08:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing Car Rental

The gang of us heading to Lansing next week will probably want to rent a 
car at the airport. We originally weren't going to bother but figure that 
if any of us buy any amount of stuff that it would come in handy, plus we 
can go sightseeing or whatever. I just hope it isn't too late to reserve one.

Any recommendations or suggestions on ones to avoid? I had a bad
experience with Alamo in Florida a few years ago so I probably would avoid
them this time. Do any of the major chains rent Oldsmobiles there? Seems
appropo to get an Olds... anyhow, thanks in advance! 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 07:02:37 -0400
From: issval@maracaibo.ipm.slb.com (ISSVAL)
Subject: delta 88s III

Oooops!


This one is a special for Lisa
<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Madsen</color>:


	-John Pajak: 65

	-Laura D. Steinke: 66 (Pook the ghost) 

	-Walter ?: 66 

	-Tom Adams: 66

	-Raul Martinez: 66

	-Lisa
<underline><color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>Madsen</color></underline>:
67

	-Terry Teague: 68

	-Paul Fikaris: 69

	-Graham Stewart: 69 (2)

	-Adam Andersen: 72

	-myself: 73

	-Dan Gulino: 75

	-John Shelp: 77

	-Mike Jones: 78

	-Greg Beaulieu: 78

	-David Brown: 79 (?)

	-S.Dave Ward: 78 & 85

	-Igor Todorovic: 81

	-Chris Sparks: 82

	-Steve ?: 85

	-Michael R. Hall: 91


I hope I didn't mispell any other name and offense anyone...


I read this morning that 455 engines were blue. Were they entirely
painted blue?


Also I had some problems recently with the distributor. the mechanic said
the points were closed and i needed to change them (?). does anybody
understand what he meant?

I know there is a cam rotating, opening and closing points. is it the
part i have to replace?

What about HEI conversion?


Thanks


Alain Lachatre

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:50:12 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Car Rental

A couple local  new car dealerships around here rent cars. The cars are
late model trade in's. So you might want to try a couple Lansing dealers to
see if they do the same.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 06:55:31 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: '70 Cutlass conv.

> Daren where are you from
> If your near I may desire some parts
> 
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
I live in Davenport Iowa its on the Ia Il border. If you are not close let
me know I can either mail it to you are take it to lansing if your going.
Daren

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 08:46:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Subject: 1984 Hurst/Olds Brochure For Sale (8/11)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1984 Hurst/Olds sales brochure.  4 8-1/2 x 11 inch pages of photos,
drawings, descriptions and specifications of the '84 H/O which opens
into a 17 x 22 inch "Experience Lightning" poster of a side view of the
car superimposed over a closeup of the Lightning Rods shifter.  $12.00,
including shipping to any address in North America.  (8/11/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item, or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | =======================+
|        | | |   Tom Stoner           |
|        |/|\|   OCA #3943            |
|        | | |   Ann Arbor, Michigan  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu   |
+=====================================+

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:01:31 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: OLDS (3) 4 Sale

James L. Smith wrote:
> 
> At 10:43 AM 8/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Olds '65 442 & Cutlass $1500 (419) 475-5024
> >
> >
> >Matt Cremean
> >+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> >Matt
>         I called about this one. He has deposit money on both. I need that
> drivetrain out of that 65 442. That's my luck. 750.00 bucks for a 65 442
> with all the orignal stuff. Thanks for posting it up here. Maybe next time.
> 
> Jim Smith
> 65 442

Well, I'ma always on the lookout. Anytime The Blade has a rare Olds in
it (this time it was 3!!) I'll let you know.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:07:30 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: SSIII,s

Al Barlow wrote:
> 
> I am looking for a set of SSIII's for my 71 442. Are there any out there
> and how much should I expect to pay for the rims, center caps and trim rings?

In Hemming's---SSII wheels.  Call 217-387-2379 (IL). No price given.

My guesstimate:  New center caps go for AROUND 120/set.
Trim rings go for AROUND 160/set.
I forget the price of the bezels.  90% of the time these are in excellen
condition and can usually be polished to look new again.
You can usually find complete sets of wheels for around 200-300.  But
these are usually well USED.  Make sure you stipulate the wheels be
straight, since over the years, mechanics usually overtorqued the
lugnuts and bent the wheels.

(TIP: SSII's painted lower body color magically turn into SSIII's.)

Hope to help,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:40:44 -0400
From: Peter Small <104323.165@compuserve.com>
Subject: Heads swap-advice/help needed

Your application will dictate your compression needs. 

 If you are planning to use this car for the street then a nominal static
compresstion ratio of 9.5:1 should be your target.
Going too high will cause your Olds to ping on street gas.   If you're
building a race motor then ratios of up to 12:1 work nicely on an 350. 

If you are changing your pistions for this project then you can pretty much
mix and match pistons and heads to get the desired ratio. 
Remember, however that static compression ratios are not where all of you
power lies.  The selection of your camshaft is were the power is and will
determine the effective mean cylinder pressure (effective compression
ratio).  

Try to stay away from the 260 heads....they have tiny valves and small
runner volumes. 

 If you go for an early head...(i.e. #5 and #6)  you will need to get
hardened exhaust valve seats installed.

A good combination would be a #7 head (designed for no-lead gas) with TRW
flat tops....This will yield approx. 9.5-9.65:1 static compression. 
Depending on your desired horsepower the Mondello/Engle cams that should be
considered are JM18-20,JM20-22, and the JM20-25.  Use the JM20-25-10 if you
have power brakes.  You may want to put oversize intake valves (2.00"[W31
config]) in your heads....just a thought.  If it were my engine would run a
performer RPM manifold......by the way go to Edelbrock's home page and look
at the configuration that got 400 hp from a Olds 350......stock
heads.....(#5's) ....etc....all of the details and dyno graph are
included....# 5 heads flow a little better than 6's and 7's but not by
much....also get yourself a Mondello catalog and his engine technical
reference manual.....there's a lot of good information in
there.........................hope this helps


==============================================
Peter Small

'72 442 Conv,             '71 W30/M22,  
'68 427 Vette conv   '71 Supreme [driveway rat]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:41:00 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: OLDS NIghts at the Drags Steve B.

Please repost I lost the message!!! Sorry 

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:45:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing Car Rental,response

In Atlanta last August I had an Olds 88 LSS with guidestar system compliments
of Oldsmobile, I have Carl Anderson to thank for that, but he told me Avis
has these cars available so you may want to call and reserve one.

Everett OCA#1961

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:00:14 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Cowl Screen Replacement (long)

Saturday morning I took the time to replace the screen wire on the top
of my cowl on my 4-4-2.  My old screen had a tear in it where the wiper
motor arm had snagged it.  This happens when the wire gets pushed down
into the opening.  The hardest part was finding a suitable wire.  The
local Ace Hardware had some of the correct mesh.  The wire size was a
little smaller, making it more flexible, but it was as close as I could
get.  I had to buy 48 inches going up the roll since the roll was 36
inches wide and I needed 42 inches.  That worked out for the best since
some of the mesh was wavy looking.  After carefully removing my old
screen, I set it aside for later use.  I laid out the new screen on a
sheet of plywood.  Then I laid the old screen on top, aligning the mesh,
and clamped it together with a strip of wood and some clamps.  Using a
die grinder with a cut off disk, I then worked my way around the screen
cutting out the new piece while using the old one as a template.  After
cutting it out I painted it with some Krylon semi gloss black on both
sides.  The new screen was galvanized BTW.  Once the paint was dry I
laid it in place and squared it up.  I started the screws along the back
edge working from side to side to eliminate any waves. (This stuff is
thinner than original) Once the screws were started I used a punch to
open the holes where the weatherstrip attaches along the front edge.  I
would open up one hole and push the clip in before going to the next
one.  Once all of the weatherstrip was secure I tightened up the screws
along the rear.  My car has a round bumper at the back edge of the
screen.  The screen is notched to fit around it so the bumper does not
have to be removed.  The cowl looks 100% better with new straight screen
without holes.

I don't know about B*icks, But the lesser GM counterparts do not use
these screens.  That is a shame because they sure keep unwanted (leaves)
trash out of the cowl.  I did save my original screen in case I need to
replace it again in the future.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:51:03 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 70 442 W31 For Sale

Here is a 70 442 W-31 that is for sale. It came from Classified2000. 
Someone might want to check it out.

Car

                             1970, Oldsmobile 442 W-31, 130K miles,
                             $7,500/OBO

               Options
                             nugget gold exterior, black interior
                             Classic Car
                             Two Door
                             Manual Transmission

 Description
1970 442 W-31 with build sheet, etc. This is a correct car with all 
the right stuff. Original hi performance 350 has been rebuilt. 4 speed 
with 3.91 posi. Mechanically excellent. Has original ram air hood and 
air cleaner. Light rust around wheel openings. Floor and trunk pans 
are solid. Good dash with ralleye pack. This is a car to drive now and 
restore as you can. Delivery arranged.

               Seller Info
                             For sale by private party
                             (913) 649-6853 [Day]
                             (913) 649-6853 [Eve]
                             archdoc@qni.com
                             Leawood, Kansas 66206

               Post Date
                             09-AUG-97

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the .....Past

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:08:41 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Tech Service bulletins at a flea market 

>Of special interest to Andy Green, there was a bulletin on repairing rear 
>window electric defogger grids, and another detailing the use of soapy 
>water to apply the Ralleye 350 decal set.  However, there were none 
>dealing with the use of soapy water to apply the electric grid to the 
>window.

That was covered in Volume 2. Volumes 3, 4 and 5 were devoted to
heated arguments between the Olds and Pontiac divisions over whether
this was a good idea.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 97 09:45:00 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Last Minute Lansing Travel Route Help

     Here are a few Web Sites that might help us out also in planning our 
     travel routes to Lansing. (From the Mid-Atlantic and North-East)
     
     SPEEDTRAPS:
     http://www.speedtrap.com/speedtrap/us-traps.html
     
     Maryland Dept of Transportation
     http://www.inform.umd.edu:8080/UMS+State/MD_Resources/MDOT/
     
     Michigan Roadway Construction
     http://www.mdot.state.mi.us/
     
     New Jersey DOT
     http://www.state.nj.us/transportation
     
     Ohio Turnpike Updates
     http://www.ohioturnpike.org/
     
     Pennsylvania
     http://www.ppt.psu.edu/
     
     West Viginia DOT
     http://www.state.wv.us/wvdot/wvdotctr/drive/drivectr.htm
     
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:50:03 +0000
From: "Jay Honeycutt" <jay@buseng.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing list

unsubscribe
_|_|_|_| Jay Honeycutt
_|_|_|_| Business Engineering
_|_|_|_| jay@buseng.com (primary)
_|_|_|_| j_h@alum.mit.edu (alternate)

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:50:11 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 W31 For Sale

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> 
> Here is a 70 442 W-31 that is for sale. It came from Classified2000.
> Someone might want to check it out.

Bobby, if it is indeed a 442 W-31, it must be worth a LOT MORE than
7500. All 70 W-31's were in Cutlass trim.  The 442's all came standard
with 455's and the W-30 did too.  No option for a 350 in a 442 listed in
1970.....hmmmmmmmm.  I'd be concerned about this one.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:01:57 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Fender Prices

I would like to ask what you all think a southern fender for 70 - 72
Cutlass would be worth
I found a southern dealer who said he can bring as many back as I need for
$200.00 Canadian
About $150.00 US each.  I have seen one that he has in his shop and I must
say its flawless
I know there may be a difference in the pricing of true 70 fenders compared
to 71 - 72 Fenders
What I would like to know is what the average price would be for fenders in
very good condition 
If I purchased more then I need How much more could I sell the fenders for 
And would it be worth me buying just to sell at a small profit


Bob Schinkel

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:10:46 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 70 442 W31 For Sale

I don't think it is a 442, but you never know. It sounds like a W31 
Cutlass. I don't know anything about the car,  I just post the 
information in case someone is interested. A  70 W31 is a nice car 
also and $7500 is not a bad price. Why they put 442 would be a good 
question to ask if someone calls.

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past


- -----Original Message-----
From:	Mike Rothe [SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net]
Sent:	Monday, August 11, 1997 10:50 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: 70 442 W31 For Sale

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>
> Here is a 70 442 W-31 that is for sale. It came from 
Classified2000.
> Someone might want to check it out.

Bobby, if it is indeed a 442 W-31, it must be worth a LOT MORE than
7500. All 70 W-31's were in Cutlass trim.  The 442's all came 
standard
with 455's and the W-30 did too.  No option for a 350 in a 442 listed 
in
1970.....hmmmmmmmm.  I'd be concerned about this one.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:16:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: hello again

Well all, it's been since spring... How is everybody?
I'll be starting school back (and therefore recieving the list regularly
again) very soon.  I have some news with regard to Lucille (my '84 Cutlass
for those who don't know).  I traded an old beat up rusting hulk of a
'72 Mercury for a "very-built" TH350... plenty enough to bark the tires
hitting 2nd gear, and up my top end to around 170 to 180 mph (yes, its
very fun passing a Mustang GT 30 miles an hour faster than his top speed).
Well... uhm... it didn't last long... tranny builder says he's only ever
ONCE seen a car "rip" apart hardened steel racing tranny parts (and that  
was behind a motor pushing over 600hp!) the way that mine did.   We think
that the problem was my high (2.41:1) rear end gear because I'm sure that
my stock 70k mile '74 Olds 350 is not pushing _quite_ so exotic a hp 
figure :-).  Rear end or no rear end, he did at least stand behind his
warranty, so I had him build the cr*p out of my original TH375.  I've got
all case hard parts, a high output front pump and full clutch packs.  She
runs perfect, and I have had no problems since installing the 375.  I've
been delivering pizzas in the car over the summer for money (hey, don't
laugh, everybody's got to earn a living :-)  ).

I found a '66 Toro!!!  There I am, driving down the road giving a friend a
lift home and BOOOM... it comes into my vision... I almost wrecked!  Its
sitting in the middle of a large field with high grass growing around it!
Hmmm, obviously not being driven... I pulled off the edge of the road to
investigate.  Hmmm... tags out of date two years ago, "perfect" interior,
paints fading a bit but looks like it can be buffed out nicely, NO rust I
could find anywhere!  So tell me Toro folks, what problems should I look
for and how much should I expect the owner to want for such a beaut of a
boat?  I can't afford it right now I'm sure but... but... but... it's even
Saffron... my favorite color on a Toro!

Right now it looks like I will definitely make Lansing unless any major
problems rear their ugly heads in the next week or two.  Are there any
planned meetings for list members there?

If you reply, please reply directly to 
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu    or
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
as I won't be recieving the list again until the 25th.

Peace, Goodwill, ...
Clayton Pierce
See Lucille the '84 Cutlass at http://www.442.com/pierce.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:17:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Year Code

Hi, Fellow Olds lovers.  Does anyone know what number or letter in
the VIN numbers represents the year. A friend of mine is looking at
a 1988 cutlass supreme with a V8 engine. I wasn't sure how many
they made, but I thought that it was few. I have a 1987 Salon and I
thought that that was the last year that they made the RWD Cutlass,
I have heard rumors about the 88' but have never seen it, if I have
I probably thought that it was the 1987


Peter L. House
87' Cutlass Salon
phouse@feith.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:27:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Re: Belts....

I just replaced all of the belts on my 87' Salon. I got all of the
belts from NAPA. The guy behind the counter goofed twice, I had to
keep asking him to check the numbers twice to be sure and sure
enough he had two wrong. I could tell that the one belt just looked
to long and sure enough when he checked it was the wrong one. So
the rule is, don't leave the store until he checks the numbers over
and over or look in the book yourself


phouse@feith.com
87' Salon
Peter L. House

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:34:33 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fender Prices

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> I would like to ask what you all think a southern fender for 70 - 72
> Cutlass would be worth
> I found a southern dealer who said he can bring as many back as I need for
> $200.00 Canadian
> About $150.00 US each.  I have seen one that he has in his shop and I must
> say its flawless
> I know there may be a difference in the pricing of true 70 fenders compared
> to 71 - 72 Fenders
> What I would like to know is what the average price would be for fenders in
> very good condition
> If I purchased more then I need How much more could I sell the fenders for
> And would it be worth me buying just to sell at a small profit
> 
> Bob Schinkel

BOB!  HELLO!  Flawless used fenders are always a good investment since
the price of NOS is through the roof.  If you have the room for storing,
I say GO FOR IT!  You will get as much as someone is willing to pay for
them.  I asked a similar question the other day about my '66 3x2 intake
manifold.  Basically, ask what you want, and if after a while, if you
still have them, run a sale......I'd say 275-300 each is not a bad
starting point.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:43:14 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Year Code

Peter L. House wrote:
> 
> Hi, Fellow Olds lovers.  Does anyone know what number or letter in
> the VIN numbers represents the year. A friend of mine is looking at
> a 1988 cutlass supreme with a V8 engine. I wasn't sure how many
> they made, but I thought that it was few. I have a 1987 Salon and I
> thought that that was the last year that they made the RWD Cutlass,
> I have heard rumors about the 88' but have never seen it, if I have
> I probably thought that it was the 1987
> 
Yes, Virginia, there IS an '88 RWD.  It does look like an '87. It was
called the Cutlass Supreme Classic.  And if memory serves me well, which
it doesn't always, the all 88 RWD were supposed to be V8.  I think.  
The 10th digit in the VIN should be the model year. (at least for 85 it
is) If so, mine is an "F" for 85.  So I would bet it is a "J" for 88.
I'm speculating here, since GM didn't like using "I" for fear of being
confused for a "1".  Hope this helps you out!  Sorry I can't be more
exact, but I'm trying to use logic, and we all know logic doesn't work
always with GM assembly lines.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:52:58 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Suggestion: An International Helping Hand

>What do you all think? I wouldn't want anyone to think it would be easy 
>since dealing with international shipping and exchange is always a 
>challenge but I think it would be a nice thing to try. Nor do I wish to 
>interfere with those folks who make their living in the parts business, 
>but I'd like to offer some of our international members a hand. Comments?

Great idea, but I suggest y'all get organized among yourselves so
you know who's buying what. Otherwise the price of, say, '59 Olds
scripts may temporarily go through the roof when one vendor finds
sixty-two people all clamoring at his display for the same part,
followed by some Olds member in Outer Franistan getting inundated
in multiple little packages all reading "DO NOT BEND" on the outside.
So maybe you can draw up a centralized wish list of parts to find,
and meet periodically at the swapfest to keep track of who's bought
what for whom.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: AdamClev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fender Prices

Bob,

    I'm on the hunt for a set of fenders for my '72.  I'm also looking for a
few other odds and ends.  Any help on locating a pair would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks,
Adam

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: back issues of "Journey with Olds", want them?

hey I'd love to check these out and would be happy to pay shipping and your
expense for these, you can email me directly at WKBZZZZ@AOL.COM




                                                              Keith Brumbley
                                                              18 Gogh Circle
                                                              Newark De.19702
                                                              71 442 Conv.
                                                              (302) 836-3144

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:02:50 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Info on "Alamo - "The One-Stop Music Shop" spam/scam

>I offer my support for making the list private, this SPAM stuff 
>gets old real fast...

Hear, hear...

>BTW, Great detective work there, Andy!

Thanks. But in hindsight I think I popped off there a little too
soon, so anyone who sees a spam come across the mailing list should
not feel they need to take cover under their desk for fear that an
even bigger spam from Andy is about to follow.

After I simmered down I decided that I didn't need to throw 
all those WHOIS listings at you all, plus I suspect (haven't 
investigated this far yet, but...) this may have been a case 
of a U.S.-based spammer using an offshore outfit to draw the 
heat, meaning that we might have been able to do a little more 
constructive complaining once I came up with a U.S.-based source
(assuming there was one). Certainly the "alamo" name in the 
Subject line looked suspiciously U.S. in tone.

So if we get spammed again before Greg can close off the list 
to outsiders, I promise I'll be more terse with the followup and
only forward info which might be useful. Sorry for wasting all 
that bandwidth previously.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:04:08 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: hello again

Clayton Pierce wrote:
> 
> hitting 2nd gear, and up my top end to around 170 to 180 mph (yes, its

What kind of tires are you using.  I'd be afraid that the tires would
blow
at that speed.

> very fun passing a Mustang GT 30 miles an hour faster than his top speed).
> Well... uhm... it didn't last long... tranny builder says he's only ever
> ONCE seen a car "rip" apart hardened steel racing tranny parts (and that
> was behind a motor pushing over 600hp!) the way that mine did.   We think
> that the problem was my high (2.41:1) rear end gear because I'm sure that
> my stock 70k mile '74 Olds 350 is not pushing _quite_ so exotic a hp
> figure :-).  Rear end or no rear end, he did at least stand behind his
> warranty, so I had him build the cr*p out of my original TH375.  I've got

What did you do to it and how fast can you go now?

> all case hard parts, a high output front pump and full clutch packs.  She
> runs perfect, and I have had no problems since installing the 375.  I've
> been delivering pizzas in the car over the summer for money (hey, don't
> laugh, everybody's got to earn a living :-)  ).

Isn't that the truth!

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 11:09:13 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Old(s) home movies

>I've spent about the last two weeks, one and off, going through some of
>our old home movies, getting ready to transfer them to videotape before
>they're gone forever.

...and with the right software you could also transfer them to
MPG, MOV or AVI files, too, and we could, say, download copies
(or at least highlights) from your web page or Bryce's. The motion
files can get a bit porky, but with some judicious editing they 
would still be a treasure.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBuff76@aol.com
Subject: Re: tire size question

can you use something with a lower profile than a "70" and keep width at 225
on a 7x14 rim  ?
i currently run Goodyear ST's 225/70/14's , but its time for new tires!

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:30:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Last Minute Lansing Travel Route 

Forwarding to the list... another header line that was too long...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date:	Mon, 11 Aug 97 09:45:00 -0500
To:	<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>, <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>, <drivevette@aol.com>, <plh@nbn.net>, <senko@reston.ans.net>, <JBCoyle@worldnet.att.net>,
	<turpin@vitro.com>, <carlson@pop.erols.com>, <parkerbg@idsonline.com>

     Here are a few Web Sites that might help us out also in planning our 
     travel routes to Lansing. (From the Mid-Atlantic and North-East)
     
     SPEEDTRAPS:
     http://www.speedtrap.com/speedtrap/us-traps.html
     
     Maryland Dept of Transportation
     http://www.inform.umd.edu:8080/UMS+State/MD_Resources/MDOT/
     
     Michigan Roadway Construction
     http://www.mdot.state.mi.us/
     
     New Jersey DOT
     http://www.state.nj.us/transportation
     
     Ohio Turnpike Updates
     http://www.ohioturnpike.org/
     
     Pennsylvania
     http://www.ppt.psu.edu/
     
     West Viginia DOT
     http://www.state.wv.us/wvdot/wvdotctr/drive/drivectr.htm
     
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: DBuff76@aol.com
Subject: Re: new to this

congradulations on your parents being smart enough to keep the car!
my cutlass is very similar - ( needs much work)
i have a 67 cutlass convertible (holiday)
330 / jetaway / crystal blue 
had mine since 18 - 11 years ago.
good luck.
DON B.

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:42:52 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

DBuff76@aol.com wrote:
> 
> can you use something with a lower profile than a "70" and keep width at 225
> on a 7x14 rim  ?
> i currently run Goodyear ST's 225/70/14's , but its time for new tires!


I've seen 235/60/14, but they look too short for me in those HUGE Olds wheelwells.  Why wouldn't you want 
to run 245/60's?

- -greg

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:42:00 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 71 442 Altenator

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> 
> CarrDuff@aol.com asked:
> 
> I am restoring a 71 442 W30 Conv..  I need the correct 37A altenator for
> this
> car.
> Someone has given me a part # of  1100543-37amp.  Is this the correct
> part #,
> and does anyone have this part to sell ?
> 
> Dave Van Sant replied:
> 
> >From what I've seen of the '71 4-4-2, the most popular generator for
> this car was the 63 amp model.  One of the things you will need to do to
> confirm this is check the part number on the voltage regulator (on the
> firewall) and cross reference it against the assembly manual.  Then you
> will know for certain, which generator you will need.  Both the 37 amp
> and 63 amp models are readily available at major parts houses, either as
> an AC-Delco rebuild, or store rebuild.

As for finding out the part # on the firewall, it won't happen on a 71
442. They used intregal regulators.

I posted the 71 assembly manual part #'s in a previous discussion about
this alternator.  Didn't anyone read it?  It listed 3 different part #'s
for the alternators, and I would bet the 1100934 alternator is the 37
amp, since it is for no options.  Dealer Parts Depot in Newark, CA
(510-797-1711) is listed as selling this part.  Got that info from
Partsvoice.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 09:58:33 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: tire size question

DBuff76@aol.com:

I have some before accident pictures showing my tires (245/60/14's).
If you want I can mail them to you.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:00:58 -0400
From: Peter Small <104323.165@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: 71 442 Altenator

CarrDuff@aol.com asked:
 
I am restoring a 71 442 W30 Conv..  I need the correct 37A altenator for
this
car.
Someone has given me a part # of  1100543-37amp.  Is this the correct
part #, 
and does anyone have this part to sell ?

Dave Van Sant replied:

>From what I've seen of the '71 4-4-2, the most popular generator for
this car was the 63 amp model.  One of the things you will need to do to
confirm this is check the part number on the voltage regulator (on the
firewall) and cross reference it against the assembly manual.  Then you
will know for certain, which generator you will need.  Both the 37 amp
and 63 amp models are readily available at major parts houses, either as
an AC-Delco rebuild, or store rebuild.

My comments:

Somewhere I remember seeing that they all had 63 amp generators,
although I can't locate that at the moment.  There will be NO voltage
regulator on the firewall.  All '71 4-4-2s used a generator with an
internal transistorized regulator. 

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)


Numbers "Verbatum" from the Oldsmobile Parts and Accessories Catalog Models Thru 1971:

Yr.       Application              Qty    $Price          Description

70-71 All E.W.D...........1100742   1     79.05    DELCOTRON (63 amp.-new).........
71    All exc. 4400.......1100842   1     72.40    DELCOTRON (37,42 amp.)..........
71    4400 exc. C.A.C., H.D. 
       Cool or E.W.D. ....1100543   1     86.50    DELCOTRON (42 amp.-new).........
71    4400 C.A.C., H.D. Cool,
       E.W.D. ............1100554   1     92.50	   DELCOTRON (55,63 amp.)..........
71    All exc. 4400 ......1100694   1     77.75    DELCOTRON (55 amp.).............
71    All ................1100849   1     78.50    DELCOTRON (61 amp.).............
71    All exc. 4400 ......1100742   1     79.05    DELCOTRON (63 amp.-new).........

E.W.D - Electric Window Defogger 
C.A.C.- Car Air Conditioning
4400  - 442's Convertible or Hardtop 

==============================================
Peter Small

'72 442 Conv,             '71 W30/M22,  
'68 427 Vette conv   '71 Supreme [driveway rat

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 13:07:43 -0400
From: uknowme <uknowme@mail.botanybay.net>
Subject: Re: tire size question

> I've seen 235/60/14, but they look too short for me in those HUGE Olds
> wheelwells.  Why wouldn't you want 
> to run 245/60's?
> 
> -greg

I had 245/60/14 up front but found that all streets have potholes, the
tires were getting marked so I switched to 235 up front and do agree 245
looked better but I feel safer with the 235, the 245 look dam good on
the back!!!

Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme (breaking it in)
80 MusHtang (winter Beater)

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 12:19:58 -0500
From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

Hello Dan, yes you are correct in saying that the JetStar 1 is more associated
with the Starfire, a friend of mine has a JetStar--a Holiday red with a white
interior-Quite nice!! I also must agree that we need much more discussion
about our beloved 88s!! Has anyone heard anymore concerning the full-size
chapter??? Has anyone spoken to Steve Denovi yet??? Take care!!

Michael Brady
OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar-1 Chapter
By the way my plate reads A T EIGHT
1961 SUPER 88 HOLIDAY COUPE "BubbleTop"

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:23:54 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: tire size question

Tim (uknowme) wrote:
> 
> I had 245/60/14 up front but found that all streets have potholes, the
> tires were getting marked so I switched to 235 up front and do agree 245

What do you mean by "marked"?

> looked better but I feel safer with the 235, the 245 look dam good on
> the back!!!

Why would the 245s up front not be as safe as the 235s?

Chris Sparks

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