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oldsmobile-digest           Sunday, 1 June 1997        Volume 01 : Number 703

Dan Lacey's carb was Re: Holley.......
Re: C. B.'s reply to Marty's costume party et.alii
Regarding the faraway 1965 Delta 88
Re: Salvage yard adventures
Re: Michael Brady
Re: Days of our Lives saga
(no subject)
Re: Get me off of this List!!!!!
66' Cutlass Stuff (Power Steering Blues)
Re: Mac. Fuel Pump
M
Re: 455 frame mounts
Re: Salvage yard adventures (long)
Re: '65/Delta 88
Re: Looking for olds links
Re: Figure out max speeds in gears
Re: racial slurs
Re: Salvage yard adventures
Tech Tip
'64 Starfire
Re: Shields Up! We Are Under Attack!! (Non Olds)
Re:Starfires
Re: Detailing Info Needed
72 Cutlass Parts
Re: Olds Spindles
Corrected Parts for Sale list
Re:  Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"
Re: Looking for olds links
Re: Corrected Parts for Sale list
unsubscribe
Borla Exhaust
Re: Looking for olds links
1965 Starfire
Dan Lacey's carb was Re: Holley.......
Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!
Re: Corrected Parts for Sale list
Re: Looking for olds links
Spindles
Re: ALERT!!!: Let's Make Toast... ;-)
Re: '65/Delta 88
Re: rock-n-roll fantasy
Re: 1961 98 Sport Sedan Parts Wanted
Re: remove oldsmobile
Re: Salvage yard adventures
Re: 1965 Starfire
Re: Salvage yard adventures
305 or 307?
Re: 1965 Starfire
Re: 305 or 307?
Re: 305 or 307?
Re: Mac. Fuel Pump
Re: Oldsmobile confusion
Re: Borla Exhaust
To Discs from Drums (was WTB: Spindles/Wheels etc.)
Re: 305 or 307?
Re: My Re: Chat room difficulties. Greg?
Re: Mac. Fuel Pump
The Oldsmobile Product Dissatisfaction List
Re: Tech Tip
Re: To Discs from Drums (was WTB: Spindles/Wheels etc.)

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 03:04:03 -0300
Subject: Dan Lacey's carb was Re: Holley.......

Well, Dan;

My 425 came with a 2bbl Roch carb with which I will gladly swap for your
Rochester carburetor. I rebuilt the thing myself. The only difficulty was
that I have never properly set (or for that matteer even tried to adjust ;)
 )  the choke on it.

No, seriously. I would say that 425's need a 700-750cfm at minimum to breathe
properly.

karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago IL

and back by popular demand... Duct Tape!         (right Paul?)

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 03:36:36 -0300
Subject: Re: C. B.'s reply to Marty's costume party et.alii

To be honest, and largely because I subscribe to America on Hold ( where I
can sometimes read the answers before ever seeing the questions!) , I was for
a while ignorant of the goings-on. In part also because on that day I spent
all of 5 minutes glancing at Olds Email subjects and reading a few
interesting headings before going to Chuck's Chat. I do however have
something to add about....
 >
>  All were sent through the same computer (206.101.238.1)  The ones by
>  "hanthorn" used Mozilla 3.0, while the others didn't.  Anyone know more
>  abot the Message-Id string?  Just for curiosity...  Anyhow, there's the
>  evidence.  You can all draw your own conclusions.
>

If I am not Hugely mistaken (as truly, I often am [sorry Greg!]) the part of
the address that goes ( in this case ) 206.101.238.1 is what is called in
cyberspeak a firewall. This code (I presume) prevents outsiders from doing to
accounts like Hanthorn's what ~allegedly~ unauthorized users of his account
{I will now take bets on whether he is _still_ on a fortnight's vacation to
Jamaica or some such without any contact to his Email}   ((((somewhat
cynical, yet somehow still giving him the benefit of the otherwise mutant
doubt))))   did to the Olds mail list. Such firewalls are used by other sites
(it is my ~constitutional~ right not to name them) which operate by
subscription only.

This whole ordeal is yet one more occasion on which the bulk of us (and me
several times) owe Greg a good round of thanks for his efforts in preserving
this site _and_ its integrity.

Furthermore, Greg, should we ever meet, I shall insist on buying.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Dynamic 88 ... which Mr. Hartlieb has reminded me is held together by.....




wait for it.........





......






Duct Tape!

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 03:56:41 -0300
Subject: Regarding the faraway 1965 Delta 88

In a message dated 97-05-30 11:02:46 EDT, you write:

>
>  I have been on the list exactly for 10 days now and I read ( literally )
>  every words on all incoming mails but how come I have never
encountered/read
>  any info on '65/Delta 88 at all ???
>  Is there anybody out there who has '65/Delta88 and who kind enough willing
>  to share any info on '65/D88 with me ??????
>  Very much appreciated.
>
>  jusuf/jakarta, indonesia
>  '65/D88
>   e-mail - odang@vico.co.id
>
>

Jusuf,

The Delta 88 falls in with the Oldsmobile 98 and, if you will for give the
egotism inherent involves in self-inclusion, the Dynamic 88 as full size cars
of 1965. I (we) [ I am actually speaking of other 1965 owners this time! ]
would be glad to be of any assistance. I have a 1965 Chassis Service Manual
which applies to all models of Oldsmobiles from 1965. I will, for starters,
make the rash assumption that you may have the 1965 425ci engine? A sure way
to tell is if the ledge above the water pump (and underneath the oil/grease
sludge found there on some  cars) reads 386525A with the "A" being slightly
larger than the numbers. The Cylinder heads should have a capital A also
placed on the left end. definately on the driver's side where it will be
obscured by the bracket for the power steering pump. It may also be on the
left end of the cylinder head on the passenger's side, in which case it will
be nearest the passenger. in the center of the cylinder head, below the valve
cover on both sides, will be the number 383821, which does not seem to differ
on specific cylinder head variants.

At any (oops got kinda lengthy) rate. Glad to hear from you.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago,IL

60660   (This is NOT Beverly Hills!)

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From: DATIC@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:02:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard adventures

Paul,

     It was a bucket seat car, but the seats were gone. However, the console
was
there, and it looked complete.I would have loved to have stripped the car and
make my Dynamic a "phantom 66 Starfire 'vert", but money constraints,blah
blah blah.
The guy there said he would sell the console,shifter,linkage, and steering
column
for about 300.00. Reasonable?


     Dave T.

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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 04:17:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Michael Brady

Hello Everett, I knew there had to be a few of us out there!! To know
em' is to love um'!! My first car was a 62' Dynamic 88 and i have been
hooked on these bodystyles ever since, last year i had a 62' Starfire
lined up and i thought it was a done deal when the seller had a change
of heart and backed out, however last october i happend across this
Super 88 and the rest is history. Everett was your 61' at the nationals
last year?? Hopefully my 61' will be ready to show at next years
nationals in Illinois!!! Long live the early 60s Olds!!

Michael Brady OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jetstar chapter

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From: "DAVID  BETZ" <dbetz@netwalk.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 06:10:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Days of our Lives saga

I second that motion.  Thanks, Greg!

Dave Betz
1972 Delta 88 Convt
1978 98 2-door coupe

- ----------
> From: Frank <frank@trident.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Days of our Lives saga
> Date: Saturday, May 31, 1997 12:31 AM
>
>
>
> ----------
> To Greg Beaulieu:
> Have been following the soap opera with Marty and have no idea how you
can
> handle some
> of this crªp but I am glad you do.On behalf of all of us thanks for all
> your hard work.
> Frank Gonzalez
> 70 442
> 71 442 W30 convt
> 72 Cutlass S
> 90 LSC s\e

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From: "Drew K. Bengert" <dk.bengert@sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 07:17:31 -0300
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 07:43:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Get me off of this List!!!!!

On Sat, 31 May 1997, Karl wrote:

> I've been trying to get off of this list for weeks now!!!!!
>

You just succeeded.... but it would have worked better if you had just
asked me nicely (I am *not* in a good mood -- blame Marty), or just sent
mail to majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca with the text unsubscribe oldsmobile or
unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest in the body of the message. As was said in
the message you received when you subscribed.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Robert Knowles <bigrob@flash.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:49:13 -0300
Subject: 66' Cutlass Stuff (Power Steering Blues)

 To the guy thats asked me about the show in Grandbury...send me the
location please


Ok,
I need someone to tell this Olds Newbie, and is learning the hard way, about
how to get hid power steering pump to work after taking it off the motor to
paint it. I just re-installed it, and filled it up and POOF!!!..No worky.
One guy suggested I only fill the res. 1\4 full and rotate the whell slowly
till i here it whine, then ad some for fluid.

The shop manual says to rotate the pulley counter clockwise till air bubbles
stop...????????????????????????????????????

Help  Please.................................................Robert Knowles
                                                             Ft.Worth, Texas
                                                             66' Cutlass
                                                             Sierra Mist/
Black top
                                                             AT,PS,PB,A/C,
52,825


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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:02:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Mac. Fuel Pump

At 02:30 PM 5/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>  Hi guys,          This is to update you guys on what kind-of
>luck i've been having with the Olds. For starters i had a noise that
>sounded like a bad lifter or a worn rocker arm strap or a bad valve seat .
>Well none of this was the problem, i did go ahead & pull the motor to fix
>all the problems that i came across such as the cam walking back & forth &
>the oil pump pick-up sceen coved with gasket material & adhesive plus one
>end of the cottor pin that holds the oil press. spring in the pump. After
>all this work & future prevention measures i still have this noise that
>i'am begining to think is coming from the fuel pump.            Has anybody
>had a fuel pump make a noise like this before? If so what to do to stop the
>problem, short of buying a new one? Thank for your time & h*lp. Luke
>
>

   Could very well be the fuel pump.  I put a newly rebuilt pump in a fresh
motor and had a ticking sound develop.  It's not that uncommon.  What
happens is that the pump arm that follows the cam lobe is spring loaded but
if it is binding internally in the pump or the spring is weak it will not
follow the lobe completely because it is hanging up while deactuating.  So
as the highest point on the lobe comes around to push the pump arm again,
the arm not being seated on the lobe as it should, will get hit by it
causing the tick. It sometimes sounds like a noisy lifter. The noise will
probably not get much worse but as the binding increases so does the loss of
fuel pressure.
   If you suspect this to be the problem you will want to replace the pump.
They aren't that expensive.  You have a choice of used, rebuilt or new.


   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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From: mtpoole <mtpoole@concentric.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:10:21 -0300
Subject: M

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:08:35 -0300
Subject: Re: 455 frame mounts

Try Jim Chermack in Virginina Beach, VA.  He is a true enthusiast and if he
doesn't have it, he can get it.  His e-mail address is : chermac@exis.net.
 And he does have a set as of now.

Mark heiser

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:13:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard adventures (long)

With all of the kerfuffle about the Marty party that was going on here
yesterday, I forgot to mention how I spent the earlier part of my day: a
junkyard visit. There is a place about a half-hour from here that was
rumored to be run by an Olds nut and had a bunch of stuff. That was
half-true: the guy who runs it is a nut... ;-)

He has lots of Olds stuff too. Unfortunately very little of it is either
usable or affordable. Keep in mind that around here there is virtually
nothing older than early-80s stuff in the yards because of the rust
situation. So this place is unusual in that we found:

Out in the main yard exposed to the elements:

- - a 67 Cutlass convertible,
- - various mid-70s full-size Olds,
- - a 76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham with T-tops, 455, very unusual factory
upholstery. This one really hurt.
- - a whole bunch of early-80s full-sizers, including a Delta 88 Holiday
coupe that had buckets, console, etc.; never had seen one of those before.
- - a 1988 Cutlass Supreme Classic, with the aero headlights. The story on
this was that it was his wife's car. Didn't take care of it, got rust in
the rockers (on an '88!!). He took it to the yard to fix the rockers, but
had a fight with his wife, put it in the yard for spite, has sat ever
since, is now shot. Sheesh!

All of these were totally useless. They might have been OK had they been
managed properly when brought in, and in fact many of them were driven to
where they sit. But they've been exposed to the elements, interiors are
all soaked, and are virtually hopeless now. Sad.

Next we had a tour of his sheds where he keeps his "projects". All of
them for sale at ridiculously high prices, if you could get him to state
a price at all. He kept saying he was going to finish them -- yeah, sure.
We saw:

- - a 66 or 67 (couldn't see the front end) Cutlass 2-door post coupe,
factory 3-speed manual on the floor, body restored, rest disassembled,
engine rebuilt and on the floor covered in about an inch of dust (like
everything else in the place). Told us it had sat there since 1990. He
says he might take the convertible stuff off the 67 in the yard and turn
this one into a convertible if no one buys it soon. A nice way to ruin
what could be a good car. We couldn't get a price out of him;

- - a 73 Cutlass S 2-door, or what was one once; the body is a shell and off
the frame, which sits next to it sandblasted and painted, both look very
solid but putting it back together would mean finding all of the parts
removed among boxes and piles of stuff heaped around it. Some question
about how much he wants for it (sound familiar?);

- - a 71 Cutlass convertible, totally (and I mean TOTALLY) apart, the
interior and trunk filled with all of the stuff taken out of it, including
the wiring harnesses, complete dash, you name it; I mean, there is nothing
left attached to the car except that which is welded on. The motor, also
apart, sits next to it on the floor, also in pieces.  Originally that
strange 71 Lime Green color with a green interior, it had been painted
yellow sometime in the past. Good luck trying to get this back together.
It is pretty solid and he says he wants $5500 for the whole mess;

- - a 70 Cutlass convertible parts car, was once nice, red with white top
and interior, now totally rotted away except for good bumpers, front clip,
maybe a few small things too. He says that if no one buys his 71, he's
going to take the VIN, front clip, rear bumper and taillights off this one
and use them on the 71 to "turn it into a 70 because that's what I
want...". He claims it isn't for sale separately, and wouldn't say whether
he would sell it if you bought the 71 from him. That tells you what you'd
be dealing with here.

- - a totally rebuilt 455 c/w headers, chrome valve covers, flow-benched and
ported, sits on a stand with another inch of dust on it. Destined for one
of his projects, has sat there for years. Probably stuck by now.
Surrounded by the 330 out of the 66/'67, various other 350s and 455s, in
various states of disrepair.

I found the whole experience incredibly sad. The guy is never going to
finish any of these and is one of those types who makes any car he
touches worse than what it was before. The shame of it is these were all
nice cars at one point, even some of the ones out in the yard. Not now. I
figure something will happen to him at some point and all of this stuff
will be either crushed or otherwise ruined. Wish I could rescue it, but
there's no way. As Bill Culp has said, "sometimes a car is too expensive
even if it's free", and given what he thinks this stuff is worth (he
wanted $50 for a front sway bar off one of the GM full-sizers out in the
yard for example, we said no thanks), these ones are astronomical. Damn.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:21:02 -0300
Subject: Re: '65/Delta 88

Hi Dan,

> * THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
> *                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
> * LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
> *                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
                                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You are not that far from me.  What a small world!

Chris Sparks
68 442
82 DRB

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 10:47:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for olds links

In a message dated 97-05-31 02:02:10 EDT, you write:

<< I'm looking for any links on olds other than Brycemans page.
 preferably older models. >>

The Hurst/Olds Club of America's web site is at:
http://www.hurstolds.com

Jon Wessel
Director, H/OCA

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 09:56:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Figure out max speeds in gears

Hi all,

I figured out how fast I could theoretically (sp?) go with my 82 DRB.
I just looked at the owner's manual, Doh!

In first I can go up to 45 mph.
In second, 70 mph.
In third and OD, who knows.

I may one day have my tranny looked at since I don't like the gears
shifting at 25mph, 30 mph for 1 and 2 gear.  I prefer to go into 2 at
35 mph, and into 3 at 50 mph.  I notice that when I drive the car in
3 (not D aka OD) I can down shift better into 2.  When the car is in
OD, it is anemic.  I suspect it is going from the OD to 3.  Not at all
what I want.

Chris Sparks
68 442 (Misses all of you, however, she is still collecting dust)
82 DRB

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:40:28 -0300
Subject: Re: racial slurs

abc@123 wrote:
>
> What is this your list?  Its a public forum.

Hold on there, big fella!

The Olds list (or the Toro list for that matter) is NOT a public forum.
It is a PRIVATE subscription service which, when you join, you agree to
be bound by its rules.  Like Greg, I would toss someone off the Toro list
in a heartbeat if they behaved as our friend did.

> And we (being citizens of the united states) have the right to express
> our feelings, right or wrong.

I don't want to burst any bubbles here but the Olds list is based in
Canada not the United States.  I'm a big-time supporter of our
Constitutional rights  ...it just don't apply across international
boundries.

You may have the right to express your feelings, but not anywhere,
anytime.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but in these here United States, there
are "hate crime" laws written to prevent the "expression" of certain
feelings.  And as a natural-born American and a veteran, I resent your
"I'm an American so I can say whatever I want" crap.

The bottom line is, if you can't be civil, you don't belong here.  And
your lecture on race relations doesn't either.  Tell it to the ACLU.

            <snip of silly references to how Africans
             use English words to refer to themselves>

> Were just getting along and haveing good 'ol fashion fun.

Well...  we were.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 06:38:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard adventures

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
>      It was a bucket seat car, but the seats were gone. However, the console
> was
> there, and it looked complete.I would have loved to have stripped the car
and > make my Dynamic a "phantom 66 Starfire 'vert", but money
constraints,blah > blah blah. > The guy there said he would sell the
console,shifter,linkage, and steering > column > for about 300.00. Reasonable? 
>
 >      Dave T.

Dave,

That sounds about $150-$200 too much to me.  Where is he going to sell
such parts except to you?  Supply & demand have something to do w/this
no matter how much you may desire the parts.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:07:03 -0300
Subject: Tech Tip

Howdy Rocket Pilots,

Got a good tech tip for you; was trying to clean the white top on my '70
Cutlass Supreme convertible yesterday and a neighbor who used to detail cars
suggested Go-Jo or DL hand cleaner... NOT the kind with the pumice, of
course, or the orange stuff or any with additives... just the white gooey
stuff.  Tried it, works great!

Any questions or comments, please email me direct as I'm not on the list.
Seeyas in Lansing!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

VP, Starfire - Jetstar I Chapter
Membership Manager, Toronado Chapter
Oldsmobile Club of America

'70 Cutlass Supreme convertible
'72 Vista-Cruiser
'72 Cutlass Town Sedan

Oops, almost forgot, re disc brake convertions on '69-'72 Cutlasses, you
_CAN'T_ do it without changing the spindles to the disc ones, they're
different!  I've done 3 of 'em myself.  If anyone says differently,I'd _love_
to know how you did it, please get in touch with me.  And I'm almost certain
that you can't remachine a drum brake spindle into a disc brake one; if
memory serves, the hole in the drum spindle for the anchor pin is _larger_
than the corresponding hole in the disk spindle, altho I may be wrong on
this, been a long time.

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:13:20 -0300
Subject: '64 Starfire

Hey again, Rocket Pilots,

Help, I had a private email a few days ago from a guy who was looking for a
'64 Starfire.  Altho I had some ideas, I couldn't help him specifically, but
of course now I've located one and didn't save his name or email address.  I
think the name was Ken Cox? and believe he had an ix.netcom.com address?
Ken, or whoever you are, or anyone on the list who may know anything about
this (or is looking for a '64 Starfire, for that matter), please get in touch
with me privately, as I'm not on the list.  BTW, car is located near Richmond
VA. Thanks and best regards,

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

VP, Starfire - Jetstar I Chapter
Oldsmobile Club of America

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:16:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Shields Up! We Are Under Attack!! (Non Olds)

   Oh i dunno Scotty -- i'm still getting billions and billions of Emails

                          J2RKT@aol.com

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From: "mcfrlan@bconnex.net" <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:29:38 -0300
Subject: Re:Starfires

Garnet,
I'm gald to hear that there is some more Oldsmobile interest in Canada!
Even if you do not own an Oldsmobile at the present time it's still good
to hear of your interest. I myself have 5 Starfires altogether, 1 98 and
1 88 between the years 62-63. They are not all restored ofcourse. I am
from the area of Toronto Ontario and there is a few Oldsmobiles lurking
around here but most of them are later Oldsmobiles. Anyways glad to hear
from you and hope one day you will get your antique Olds. Take care.

Cliff McFarlane
1962 Oldsmobile Starfire Conv.
1963 Oldsmobile Starfire Coupe.

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From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:19:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Detailing Info Needed

Have 78-98 w/single coat white urethane paint 3 yrs old-no garage-hand
washed weeky all year-hand waxed with paste 6X year. NY weather.

Notice a deterioration in finish of paint + deisel provides constant
source of soot (in & out). Some ghost stains from birds & trees.

Hand work not working-needs something more-Probably some type mildly
aggressive cleaning/light compounding.

Would like an in-detail description including product description from
experienced person/s on how to-clean/machine clean/compound/wax, swirl &
star free.

Have variable speed 0-2500 non-orbital and 2500 orbital machines
available to me.

Thank you.
Kevin O'Brien

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:27:55 -0300
Subject: 72 Cutlass Parts

Available:  72 Cutlass/Vista Cruiser front bumper - straight but needs
rechrome.

Front Vista Cruiser grill - both side headlight surrounding pieces.

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:32:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Spindles

I have a '72 Cutlass with these parts.   Don't have a master cylinder though.

Does anyone know if this year will interchange with the '65's front end.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:25:53 -0300
Subject: Corrected Parts for Sale list

Seems my memory isn't what is has been - I have a Torker intake for a big
block & a Street Dominator intake for a small block Olds for sale.

Apologies for getting it wrong before.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 15:30:51 -0300
Subject: Re:  Fender Scripts for 1963 "88"

I had the same experience - they talked to me the first time & never got
back to me after that.  They're rather local to me - but they didn't fax me
back either when I tried that!  I don't blame you whatsoever, I'll try and
give them a call early in the am from work & maybe they'll be more ~alert~?

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From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:22:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for olds links

>
> In a message dated 97-05-31 02:02:10 EDT, you write:
>
> << I'm looking for any links on olds other than Brycemans page.
>  preferably older models. >>
The Northern Lights Oldsmobile Club, an affiliate club with OCA has a
homepage on the net.  I'm sorry but I don't have the web address, but I
found it doing a search with Yahoo with a search string of "Northern Lights
Oldsmobile".  The Northern Lights Club is out of Edmonton, Alberta.  Happy
Olds surfing!

B. C. Oldsmobile Club
email:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca




>
>
>


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From: JNelson751@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:31:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Corrected Parts for Sale list

lisa,
 does the torker have any damage or stripped threads?

how much?

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From: Andy Lawrence <andrew@abcs.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:18:39 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:18:09 -0300
Subject: Borla Exhaust

Hey everybody.

Borla (http://www.borla.com) has a new section that says "The Sounds of
Borla" or something like that...you can't miss it -> it's right on their
main page.  Anyway, they have 10 or 12 car's exhaust sounds right on the
web.  There are no Oldses, but Jason L. might like the C*maro.  I'll
have to admit, it does sound pretty throaty.

PS -- You need shockwave.  A link to shockwave is on Borla's page.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 22:34:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for olds links

> In a message dated 97-05-31 02:02:10 EDT, you write:
>
> I'm looking for any links on olds other than Brycemans page.
> preferably older models.

There's always http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html
and a few more on the links page.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Dawne Lowery <comptec@ccnet.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:20:19 -0300
Subject: 1965 Starfire

Maybe someone can help us out.  We've been looking at a 1965 Olds
Starfire but can't find diddly about this car.  This particular one has
factory paint (cream yellow), black leather box pleat interior, stainless
steel dash with (factory?) tachometer mounted in center console. Do you
have any history on this car?  Do you know the produciton number???
Thanks for your help.

James Cody

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:34:22 -0300
Subject: Dan Lacey's carb was Re: Holley.......

Im running a 750 on my '65 425 and find that with my "minor"
alterations that the engine needs more.  By this I mean fuel and air
mixed.  I have a hypothesis going that my 750 Edelbrock would work
better if it was a 750 Holley double pump.  But then again a Holley
800 - 850 cfm Vac. Sec. might be all it needs too.  Of course I could
just be totally off the wall and go with the new Barry Grant "Claw"
adjustable size cfm carb too.  Ahh, so many carbs, so many choices,
so little money :( !  Nice talkin' to you all again ! :)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com ( MAT M NADROFSKY)
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:50:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Holley carbs; Re: Everyone read!!

Try a 750 cfm Edelbrock and it should work good right out of the box.
That is, if your set up ain't that radical.  I am now contemplating
an 800 cfm Holley as I already have the edelbrock 750 but find that
when I richen it up to what it needs, it smokes black out of the
exhaust yet works great.  I believe that is due to too much fuel and
not enough air correct?  I think the 800 Holley might be better but
for now... Im outta cash :)

____
Mat Nadrofsky
70 Olds Cutlass

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:48:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Corrected Parts for Sale list

Nothing is wrong with it.  It was used for approx. 2 mos. 16 yrs. ago.
We've just been moving it along with us ever since.

I'm asking $85 & you pay shipping (approx. $15-20 UPS)


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:13:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for olds links

Feel free to see if my page qualifies as a link - and if so, I'll add yours
to my page.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:17:33 -0300
Subject: Spindles

Come on up Dan - I've got  '72 V-C spindle(s) available.

If your interested let me know.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:15:59 -0300
Subject: Re: ALERT!!!: Let's Make Toast... ;-)

As always Greg, we'll trust your decision(s).

I don't think you even need to ask any of us to volunteer assistance -


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:01:11 -0300
Subject: Re: '65/Delta 88

I have a '67 - what exactly are you looking to find out?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:13:58 -0300
Subject: Re: rock-n-roll fantasy

I guess I could loan her both my Vista Cruisers - that oughta cover the room!

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '72 Vista Cruiser
, '72 Vista Cruiser project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 18:28:14 -0300
Subject: Re: 1961 98 Sport Sedan Parts Wanted

bill wrote:


> 2.  Does anyone know where I can get the rubber moldings and gaskets for
> around the windows, etc.  The Sport Sedan is slightly different from the
> normal 4 door hardtop.  Mike Fusick and some of the other vendors I have
> contacted do not have it.  There is one hope if Buick or Pontiac made an
> equivalent and someon has the part number so I could possible cross it
> over.

Bill

Buick and Cadillac both used this body style.  Maybe you should try USA
Part.  They have parts for Oldses and Cadillacs.  I used to have a '61
Ninety Eight, but it was the OTHER hardtop, a Holiday sedan.  It was
painted Twilight Mist (purple metallic).  Wishing I had kept that
one...  I swapped it even for a '52 Ninety Eight sedan.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 22:29:46 -0300
Subject: Re: remove oldsmobile

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> john berenyi 956-6310 wrote:
> >
> > remove oldsmobile
>
> What year and model is it and how quickly do you want it removed?   ;)
>
>     66 Toro
> The /\   /\ and Mike
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/


Hey Mike,
Your a funny man. Is your Toro Still up on jack stands, what's up with
that.
Reggie

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 18:37:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard adventures

DATIC@aol.com wrote:

> Paul,
>
>      It was a bucket seat car, but the seats were gone. However, the console
> was
> there, and it looked complete.I would have loved to have stripped the car
and > make my Dynamic a "phantom 66 Starfire 'vert", but money
constraints,blah > blah blah. > The guy there said he would sell the
console,shifter,linkage, and steering > column > for about 300.00. Reasonable? 
>
 >      Dave T.

Dave

I guess it would be reasonable.  Don't know, was never in the market for
one.  Here's why I asked.  I have a '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe with
single exhaust.  I have obtained a dual exhaust manifold from a '66
Starfire to convert my 98 to duals.  Then someone here on the list
informed me that I needed a different transmission linkage to clear the
dual exhaust pipe.  Since it seams that '67 with duals are practically
non-existant, I thought I could use the linkage from another '66
Starfire.  I know of at lease 6 '66 Starfires that came through with the
bench seat and column shift, which would have the linkage that I need.
So I am looking for a savage yard '66 Starfire with a column shift so
that I can swipe the linkage off of it.  Actually my '66-'67 parts book
calls this an equalizer rod or something like that and it says that both
the column shift and console shift rods are different for '66 and '67.
But I'm thinking they can't be THAT different, can they?

Thanks for replying.  If you'd happen to stumble across one of these
rods drop me a line.

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 17:37:59 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 Starfire

Dawne Lowery wrote:
>
> Maybe someone can help us out.  We've been looking at a 1965 Olds
> Starfire but can't find diddly about this car.  This particular one has
> factory paint (cream yellow), black leather box pleat interior, stainless
> steel dash with (factory?) tachometer mounted in center console. Do you
> have any history on this car?  Do you know the produciton number???
> Thanks for your help.
>
> James Cody


James,

I have found this information on the '65 Starfire:

This is the next to last year for the Starfire luxury coupe.  It is
offered in both & convertible.  Standard equipment includes T-stick
controlled Turbo-Hydramatic transmission, power steering, power brakes,
courtesy lamps, bucket seats, center control console, tachometer, padded
dash, parking brake signal lamp, DeLuxe steering wheel, special wheel
covers, windshield washers & electric wipers, power windows, & power
seat.  Upholstery was sone in vinyl, leather or cloth.  Thjere were
13,024 coupes & 2,236 convertibles.  Strong competition came from the
Jetstar I which ahd much of the Starfire features at a lower price.  The
Toronado also cut into the luxury coupe field for Oldsmobile.  The
engine is a 425 cu.in. V8 w/ 4-barrel Q-Jet (ist year); 10.25
compression ratio; 370 hp at 4800 rpm.

These cars are not worth a lot, but have expensive leather interiors &
expensive pot metal parts to plate or replace.  I would guess that
$5000-$6000 would max out a coupe w/a convertible at a couple k more.  A
rough car might be a bad investment except for parts.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:01:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard adventures

> Dave
>
> I guess it would be reasonable.  Don't know, was never in the market for
> one.  Here's why I asked.  I have a '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe with
> single exhaust.  I have obtained a dual exhaust manifold from a '66
> Starfire to convert my 98 to duals.  Then someone here on the list
> informed me that I needed a different transmission linkage to clear the
> dual exhaust pipe.  Since it seams that '67 with duals are practically
> non-existant, I thought I could use the linkage from another '66
> Starfire.  I know of at lease 6 '66 Starfires that came through with the
> bench seat and column shift, which would have the linkage that I need.
> So I am looking for a savage yard '66 Starfire with a column shift so
> that I can swipe the linkage off of it.  Actually my '66-'67 parts book
> calls this an equalizer rod or something like that and it says that both
> the column shift and console shift rods are different for '66 and '67.
> But I'm thinking they can't be THAT different, can they?

Ah yes, the joys of Oldsmobiling...gotta love it.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

------------------------------

From: "j kimball" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 22:59:39 -0300
Subject: 305 or 307?

It seems kinda quiet today so I thought I would ask a (girl) question
that's been bugging me for a while.  Looking at my 1986 442 owners manual
on page 91 it says "engine code H is a 5.0 liter 3_0_5 CID V8". ???  There
is also an engine code "Y" 5.0 liter V8 and engine code" 9"  5.0 liter V8
high output but it never says 3_0_7 CID.  For eleven years I was under the
impression (and still am) that it was a 307.  One day the service manager
at Courtesy Olds told me there was no such thing... he tried to tell me
that "maybe that's a bu*ck or p*ntiac engine!"  and that's why I looked in
the owners manual in the first place but I couldn't prove it from this
info.  Hmmm....
Could 305 be a typo???
- -Kaye
jdkim@lvdi.net

------------------------------

From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:08:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 Starfire

Dawne Lowery wrote:
>
> Maybe someone can help us out.  We've been looking at a 1965 Olds
> Starfire but can't find diddly about this car.  This particular one has
> factory paint (cream yellow),

That would be called Saffron.  We had quite a discussion on it the other
week.

> black leather box pleat interior,

Black leather would have been available.  I'm not up on upholstery
lingo, so I don't knwo what you mean by Box Pleat.  I can tell you that
the seat backs should have a "T" on them.

> stainless steel dash with (factory?) tachometer mounted in center console.

I don't know what you mean about the dash.  The console should have
brushed aluminum and the door panels should have something that looks
like brushed aluminum (probably mylar).  But the photo in the sales
brochure shows the dash a being black.  The '65 sales manual says this
about the Starfire: "Safety-Padded Instrument Panel with Simulated
Leather Facing.  98s had simulated walnut, 88s and Jetstars had brushed
aluminum.  Sounds like someone added 88 trim to this car.  The tach on
the console would be correct.

> Do you have any history on this car?

This particular car?  No.  Starfires in general?  Yes.  You'll need to
be more specific.

> Do you know the produciton number???

2,236

Paul

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <RBarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:41:04 -0300
Subject: Re: 305 or 307?

At 09:59 PM 5/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>It seems kinda quiet today so I thought I would ask a (girl) question

"Girl Question"? You mean, as revealing a lack of automotive knowledge?
Nope, the very fact that you are asking this shows you're light years beyond
the stew-for-brains service manager you spoke to...

>that's been bugging me for a while.  Looking at my 1986 442 owners manual
>on page 91 it says "engine code H is a 5.0 liter 3_0_5 CID V8". ???  There

Yes, the 305 (5.0L) Ch*vy-designed "corporate" motor was installed in the
G-body Cutlass line in the mid-80's, apparently most of the time in cars
sent to Canada. The other "5.0L" engine was in fact the Oldsmobile-designed
"corporate" motor, which was a 307ci V-8, with a code of either "Y" or "9"
(your 442's VIN should have a "9" in it). GM wanted to blur the distinction
between the engines designed by different divisions, since most cars were
coming with engines designed by other divisions, and people attach their
loyalty not only to the car, but to its "heart", and got upset when they
found out their Olds was really a Ch*vy at heart...

As for the service manager's claim that your V-8 might be a Bu*ck or
P*nt*ac, they stop producing V-8's about five years before your car was
built, and the only Buick engine ever put in that generation Cutlass was the
Buick 231ci (3.8L) V-6.

Are you sure it was the real service manager, and not some escapee from a
"mental health institution" impersonating one? ;)

>is also an engine code "Y" 5.0 liter V8 and engine code" 9"  5.0 liter V8
>high output but it never says 3_0_7 CID.  For eleven years I was under the
>impression (and still am) that it was a 307.  One day the service manager
>at Courtesy Olds told me there was no such thing... he tried to tell me
>that "maybe that's a bu*ck or p*ntiac engine!"  and that's why I looked in
>the owners manual in the first place but I couldn't prove it from this
>info.  Hmmm....
>Could 305 be a typo???

It's not a typo; it's just not an Olds. And it's not what you have.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:49:33 -0300
Subject: Re: 305 or 307?

j kimball wrote:
>
> It seems kinda quiet today so I thought I would ask a (girl) question
> that's been bugging me for a while.  Looking at my 1986 442 owners manual
> on page 91 it says "engine code H is a 5.0 liter 3_0_5 CID V8". ???  There
> is also an engine code "Y" 5.0 liter V8 and engine code" 9"  5.0 liter V8
> high output but it never says 3_0_7 CID.  For eleven years I was under the
> impression (and still am) that it was a 307.  One day the service manager
> at Courtesy Olds told me there was no such thing... he tried to tell me
> that "maybe that's a bu*ck or p*ntiac engine!"  and that's why I looked in
> the owners manual in the first place but I couldn't prove it from this
> info.  Hmmm....
> Could 305 be a typo???
> -Kaye
> jdkim@lvdi.net

As far as I know, it's a typo.  Olds _did_ put 305's into Canadian
Cutlasses, but I thought that stopped in the early eighties.  Is yours a
Canadian 442?  If so, it could be a possibility that it is a 305,
unlikely, though.  Don't the 305's have oil filler tubes in the valve
covers, whereas the 307 would have it at the front of the intake
manifold?

Hope this helps...

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

From: "Luke Hogan" <hogan442@c-gate.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:59:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Mac. Fuel Pump

- ----------
> At 02:30 PM 5/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >  Hi guys,
>          This is to update you guys on what kind-of
> >luck i've been having with the Olds. For starters i had a noise that
> >sounded like a bad lifter or a worn rocker arm strap or a bad valve seat
.
> >Well none of this was the problem, i did go ahead & pull the motor to fix
> >all the problems that i came across such as the cam walking back & forth
&
> >the oil pump pick-up sceen coved with gasket material & adhesive plus one
> >end of the cottor pin that holds the oil press. spring in the pump. After
> >all this work & future prevention measures i still have this noise that
> >i'am begining to think is coming from the fuel pump.            Has
anybody
> >had a fuel pump make a noise like this before? If so what to do to stop
the
> >problem, short of buying a new one? Thank for your time & h*lp. Luke
> >
> >
>
>    Could very well be the fuel pump.  I put a newly rebuilt pump in a
fresh
> motor and had a ticking sound develop.  It's not that uncommon.  What
> happens is that the pump arm that follows the cam lobe is spring loaded
but
> if it is binding internally in the pump or the spring is weak it will not
> follow the lobe completely because it is hanging up while deactuating.  So
> as the highest point on the lobe comes around to push the pump arm again,
> the arm not being seated on the lobe as it should, will get hit by it
> causing the tick. It sometimes sounds like a noisy lifter. The noise will
> probably not get much worse but as the binding increases so does the loss
of
> fuel pressure.
>    If you suspect this to be the problem you will want to replace the
pump.
> They aren't that expensive.  You have a choice of used, rebuilt or new.
>
>
>    Glenn
>    '69 4-4-2
>

    Well i did a little test day on the Olds. I fired her up & warmed her
up a bit then  killed it ( you know to prime the carb. & all), took the
fuel pump off & had my girlfriend fire it off while i took a squirt bottle
filled with gas to keep it running to see if i still had the noise, well i
do , still have the noise that is. There it'nt a whole-lot-a things left
that  could be making this noise. I'am begining to think it's a bad wrist
pin. This is just like my luck. Luke

------------------------------

From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:04:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile confusion

ab348@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
>
> I'm selling all my cars and buying fords!
> this Oldsmobile stuff is pretty hard to comprehend
> Oldsmobiles are slow anyway.
> And I've got some bad news, this list will become
> a ford list.  So we can talk about them Olds killing
> 5 liters.  cars that real men drive. so I'm very sory.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

Okay, whose using Greg's email address?  C'mon Greg, boot 'im off.
Greg??

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 75K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 00:25:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Borla Exhaust

At 07:18 PM 5/31/97 -0300, Jason Adcock wrote:
>Hey everybody.
>
>Borla (http://www.borla.com) has a new section that says "The Sounds of
>Borla" or something like that...you can't miss it -> it's right on their
>main page.  Anyway, they have 10 or 12 car's exhaust sounds right on the
>web.  There are no Oldses, but Jason L. might like the C*maro.  I'll
>have to admit, it does sound pretty throaty.


I know of a local 81 Cutlass with a Borla Adjustable Cat-Back made for the
4th generation Camaro's that was custom fit. It looks and sounds nice. Cost
him alot to have it custom fit. A Borla adjustable with the biggest plate,
no cat, and headers is the loudest thing to a NASCAR stocker on the street,
super loud but does it sound mean. A plain old Borla mufler by itself is
quiet when compared to others
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, OH  f-body list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........Patriot Red, A4, 3.23, PEG2,  TFX cat-back, 160 stat,
homeade cold air intake, !TB, fan switch, Mobil 1 fluids, light covers
http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 442 W-30........http://www.442.com./labay.html

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:31:18 -0300
Subject: To Discs from Drums (was WTB: Spindles/Wheels etc.)

To: Mr. Gomez and others who are turning in thier drums for discs;

Mr. S. Hoover provided me with these details a few days ago during a session
on Mr. Buehner's Olds Chat;

< begin Hoover letter >

Stainless Steel Brake Corporation
11470 Main Rd.
Clarence, NY 14031
1-800-448-7722

The kit for the A-bodys is $800. It is expensive, but it is completely
100% bolt-on. All I had to get was brake fluid. All the parts are 100%
correct and brand new, no refurbished stuff.

<end Hoover info>

Now, I cannot guess at which years their kits span. I believe the application
Mr. Hoover was referring to was a 1970 or 1971 Cutlass. Many people have been
bandying around spindle and knuckle part numbers for teh disc swap, and I
felt this was desirable information.

If you call them, let me know what years/models of Oldsmobiles they support.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Darn! I wish I could find that list of E.G.R. words I made!

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:42:11 -0300
Subject: Re: 305 or 307?

Jason Adcock wrote:

> unlikely, though.  Don't the 305's have oil filler tubes in the valve
> covers, whereas the 307 would have it at the front of the intake
> manifold?

VIN-wise my 1982 Delta Royale indicates that it is a 307, however, I
don't believe that the oil filler tube is in front of the intake
manifold.

Chris Sparks

68 442
82 DRB

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From: KarlAunan@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:34:49 -0300
Subject: Re: My Re: Chat room difficulties. Greg?

In a message dated 97-05-31 22:54:37 EDT, I wrote???????????????:


>  Yes I believe someone else complained about a Netscape failure.
et cetera.
<slash>

I sent this letter  yesterday evening!

I did go on line earlier today (before 2 pm Central Time). So if it was
delayed due to America On Hold or some such, it sould have gone out earlier.

Due to this phenomenon, I must ask that anyone needing time-sensitive answers
from me try the land line at....

(773) 381-1438

Although I use the same line to read the Oldsmail, I try to remember not to
turn off the call-waiting. With call waiting enabled I get dumped off line
after a number of rings so be patient. You will speak either to me or a
magnetic recording medium.

If anyone  else has input into this particular quandry, let me know (Email).

Thanks.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Now have a mega link site @ http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html
send me your Olds-related Urls!

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:05:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Mac. Fuel Pump

At 01:59 PM 5/31/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>> At 02:30 PM 5/30/97 -0300, you wrote:
>> >  Hi guys,
>>          This is to update you guys on what kind-of
>> >luck i've been having with the Olds. For starters i had a noise that
>> >sounded like a bad lifter or a worn rocker arm strap or a bad valve seat
>.
>> >Well none of this was the problem, i did go ahead & pull the motor to fix
>> >all the problems that i came across such as the cam walking back & forth
>&
>> >the oil pump pick-up sceen coved with gasket material & adhesive plus one
>> >end of the cottor pin that holds the oil press. spring in the pump. After
>> >all this work & future prevention measures i still have this noise that
>> >i'am begining to think is coming from the fuel pump.            Has
>anybody
>> >had a fuel pump make a noise like this before? If so what to do to stop
>the
>> >problem, short of buying a new one? Thank for your time & h*lp. Luke
>> >
>> >
>>
>>    Could very well be the fuel pump.  I put a newly rebuilt pump in a
>fresh
>> motor and had a ticking sound develop.  It's not that uncommon.  What
>> happens is that the pump arm that follows the cam lobe is spring loaded
>but
>> if it is binding internally in the pump or the spring is weak it will not
>> follow the lobe completely because it is hanging up while deactuating.  So
>> as the highest point on the lobe comes around to push the pump arm again,
>> the arm not being seated on the lobe as it should, will get hit by it
>> causing the tick. It sometimes sounds like a noisy lifter. The noise will
>> probably not get much worse but as the binding increases so does the loss
>of
>> fuel pressure.
>>    If you suspect this to be the problem you will want to replace the
>pump.
>> They aren't that expensive.  You have a choice of used, rebuilt or new.
>>
>>
>>    Glenn
>>    '69 4-4-2
>>
>
>    Well i did a little test day on the Olds. I fired her up & warmed her
>up a bit then  killed it ( you know to prime the carb. & all), took the
>fuel pump off & had my girlfriend fire it off while i took a squirt bottle
>filled with gas to keep it running to see if i still had the noise, well i
>do , still have the noise that is. There it'nt a whole-lot-a things left
>that  could be making this noise. I'am begining to think it's a bad wrist
>pin. This is just like my luck. Luke
>
>

  Luke,

    Sorry if I misled you but at least you have eliminated the fuel pump as
the cause. Can you be more specific as to the type of noise (whistle, groan,
moan, knock, tick, ding, ping, grinding, grating, scraping, etc.) and you
may want to try to localize it but using the old wooden stick to the ear
method.  ** CAUTION **  Be sure that you don't get the stick near a moving
part when it is against your ear or any body part for that matter.  Sound
travels nicely in that environment and an audio aid/tool will probably help
in diagnosing it's source.  There is such a tool that is very similar to a
doctors stethoscope except instead of a disc at the receiving end there is a
metal probe which greatly helps in pin pointing the source of the sound.
   Waiting to here back as to some more detail.

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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From: KarlAunan@AOL.COM
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:02:40 -0300
Subject: The Oldsmobile Product Dissatisfaction List

This is an Idea ([in my opinion this is a word that should always be
capitalized]) that has been bouncing around in my head and causing my roomate
to shout "Will you stop making that noise in your brain!"

The origins of this Idea are manifold (unintentional witticism). My 4bbl
carb/manifold project (yes, still ongoing [realized auto insurance was due
soon]) caused me to look into what types of manifold gaskets were available.
Mr. J2RKT expressed to me his displeasure with one of the three or four types
of manifold gaskets that the M-Man offers. I was just now reading some
backdated Email (I set aside the interesting subject headings, I am never
gonna get a "you have mail" declaration!) and found Dr. Bob's recommendation
for buying the M-man's (again) cylinder head porting kit. These are exactly
the sorts of tidbits that engine builders need to know.

If there is sufficient interest out there in Oldsmobile land (the sky is
Ocean Mist in my world!) I will volunteer to delegate a portion of my website
to a product review page. This is not going out of my way very much, because
I have been adding just about all the Olds or general automotive links that I
could to my main page as I could find.

I forsee the main format would be essentially thus; under the heading of the
product (or possibly buisiness), a very few words concerning the specific
failure, or value of that product or service. I think that a service listing
might include that muffler shop that provided a listmember (per a vaguely
remembered recent Email) with pre-bent exhaust pipes that fit perfectly for
his (late 60's or early 70's ?) application, using only the OEM specs.

Please indicate pro or con for this concept.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

http://members.aol.com/KarlAunan/index.html

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From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 23:43:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Tech Tip

Douglas Kitchener wrote:

> Oops, almost forgot, re disc brake convertions on '69-'72 Cutlasses, you
_CAN'T_ > do it without changing the spindles to the disc ones, they're
different!  I've > done 3 of 'em myself.  If anyone says differently,I'd
_love_ to know how you did > it, please get in touch with me.  And I'm almost
certain that you can't > remachine a drum brake spindle into a disc brake one;
if memory serves, the hole > in the drum spindle for the anchor pin is
_larger_ than the corresponding hole > in the disk spindle, altho I may be
wrong on this, been a long time.

Here we go again.  Boy I sure get confused!  I think Mike Rothe (?)
stated that the
spindles were interchangable.  Could someone get a definitive answer.
My head is
spinning. :-)

Later...

Chris Sparks

68 442
82 DRB

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From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:45:16 -0300
Subject: Re: To Discs from Drums (was WTB: Spindles/Wheels etc.)

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
>
> To: Mr. Gomez and others who are turning in thier drums for discs;
>
> Mr. S. Hoover provided me with these details a few days ago during a session
> on Mr. Buehner's Olds Chat;
>
> < begin Hoover letter >
>
> Stainless Steel Brake Corporation
> 11470 Main Rd.
> Clarence, NY 14031
> 1-800-448-7722
>
> The kit for the A-bodys is $800. It is expensive, but it is completely
> 100% bolt-on. All I had to get was brake fluid. All the parts are 100%
> correct and brand new, no refurbished stuff.
>
> <end Hoover info>
>
> Now, I cannot guess at which years their kits span. I believe the
application > Mr. Hoover was referring to was a 1970 or 1971 Cutlass. Many
people have been > bandying around spindle and knuckle part numbers for teh
disc swap, and I > felt this was desirable information. > > If you call them,
let me know what years/models of Oldsmobiles they support. > > Karl Aune >
1965 Dynamic 88 > Chicago, IL > > Darn! I wish I could find that list of
E.G.R. words I made!



That kit is for all A-bodys - 64-72.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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