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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 4 1997     Volume 01 : Number 833



Re: SSI
Re: Wheelcovers for sale
Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...
I did it again
Re: 330 headers
I did it again
Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long
(N/O)...Caddy for Sale!
Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?
Lisa's 64 Cutlass
Re: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?
Re: (N/O)...Lincoln for Sale!
Re: Lisa's 64 Cutlass
Re: 330 headers
Re: SSI
Re: H*lp! H*lp! H*lp!
RE: What I Bought In Lansing
FWD: Rough Idle
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
Re: Carb Shop HEI conversion
DRUM BRAKES
CD-ROM with Olds List Digest, Etc.
Power Windows!
Re: email addresses and wed addresses (fwd)
Re: DRUM BRAKES
Question
Re: Vista Cruiser parts
'66-67 442 motor
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
OLDS 394 FORGOT WHO ASKED
Re: '66-67 442 motor
Re: Cheap 600 HP 455?
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
'64 Dynamic 88 convertible transplant
Re: 55 88 Project
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
Re: CD-ROM with Olds List Digest, Etc.
UNBOUNCE: '64 Dynamic 88 convertible transplant
442 Sales
Re: Motion Olds - MCR
Re: Shirt??
Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long
Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long
Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long
Re: NOS 1979 H/O Emblems For Sale (8/14)
Re: '66-67 442 motor
OOps!
(Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:51:37 -0300
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: SSI

How much are you asking for these?  I've got a set of 5 SSII wheels but I'd
prefer the SSI.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 00:58:20 -0300
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Wheelcovers for sale

Too bad your on the other side of the country or I'd consider those SSI's.
I need ONE wheelcover for a '69 Toronado - its the majority flat disk
style, small center rocket, little rectangular openings around the area
that adjoins the rim.  Just ONE.  Am taking this to a big auto swap meet to
sell & think having just 3 will look pretty HOKEY!

Please advise & thanks in advance.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:14:10 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...

Hey everybody!
I'm back from summer break, and glad to be back to the list.  This summer
I ended up building a couple motors (one a 2.5 Poncho, the other a 350)
and I have a couple Qs I was hoping the experts might have some advice on.

First the 2.5-- it's in an '86 (friends car) and it's completly
stock (TBI, and all).  Everything is new except the cam (roller cams in
these things seem to last forever) and it got a .030 overbore.  Heres the
problem-- after I assembled the thing and got it back into the car, I
tried turning it over with the coil disconnected to get oil pressure prior
to the start.  Hmm.  Idiot light won't go off.  Replace sender (that must
be the problem, right?).  No dice--light still glows.  For some reason I
can't get oil pressure.  The oil pump is new, and it is'nt leaking from
anywhere.  The pump drive rod is also in there, and turning when the
engine is turning over (I took the cover off and checked it).  Any ideas?
Is it possible that there is some internal galley plug I missed?  I'm
probibly going to try to pull the oil pan and check the pump, but since
thats such a major undertakng I thought I would check with you guys and
see if you had any ideas.  I've never had a problem like this out of all
the engines I've built, and it's a little discouraging.


My other Q--
For my 350 I built I need some advice on carburation.  The engine is a
pretty mild buildup (.030 over, Performer Plus cam, good valve job, stock
manifolds, etc) and now I need to feed the thing.  I have a couple old
Q-jets, one of which I rebuild for it.  That carb is actually off a Caddy
425 (late 70s vintage).  It came stock with 72 primary jets (a little
rich?) something like 411 main rods, and two of the thinnest secondary
rods I've ever seen (waaaaaaay to rich for a 350 I would think- DXs?).
But this
carb also had some werid stuff going on inside.  It was missing the
anaroid assy. (it was replaced with a plastic "well"), and the other
single primary metering rod and piston (forget the exact names) were
replaced by a brass screw.  I'm assuming their absence is all part of some
emissions control system.  My question is this--is this carb going to be
worth a darn for my mild performance motor?  Or is it just going to be a
headache?
I kept the main jets and rods (only other jets I could dig up
were 67s, and that seemed kind of lean) and replaced the secondary rods
with thicker ones (CVs if I remember correctly).  I'm hoping this will
give me a good baseline to start tuning with.
I would like an Edelbrock Q-jet, but the $ just are'nt there.

Any advice you guys can give on either one of these would be
greatly appreciated!  Thanks a mint in advance!


Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:15:53 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: I did it again

Well, sigh, I must confess, I've done it again.  Went & looked at a '64
Cutlass and bought it.  Since there is no room - or patience on behalf of
the other half - this car will reside elsewhere until I've cleared the back
yard out a bit!

Anyhow, wrote down the VIN and forgot the paper at work.  It's just a
Cutlass, 2 door, 330 - A/T, although not sure what trans they put in these
- - but it has air conditioning, buckets and one of the coolest consoles I've
seen (in all truthfulness, I bought it for the console).

Best thing - the guy who owned it works for the local pick-a-part & has
little 'extras' he's been picking up when he could, extra emblems, another
door, stuff like that.  There are some really nice '62-'64's in our Olds
Club chapter and we always mention how neat they look, well, maybe the
other half wont be QUITE as mad if I,  A) sell the '69 Toro, B) get the
parts VC stripped & the major carcass hauled out and C) things
unmentionable (joking).

Funny, I went antiquing with my mother in law and thought the major
funiture pieces prices looked cheap - I guess I've been looking at car
prices too long!!!

Anyone have any info on this baby Olds?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:29:08 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 330 headers

Just got in inquiry from a guy with a '65 F-85 with a 330 CID that he would
like to put headers on.  Heard these are *not available* (his words).
Aren't these motors the same -externally - as a 350 CID?  If so are the
concerns then the clearances for the particular year & parts in the way??


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:30:49 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: I did it again

Well, sigh, I must confess, I've done it again.  Went & looked at a '64
Cutlass and bought it.  Since there is no room - or patience on behalf of
the other half - this car will reside elsewhere until I've cleared the back
yard out a bit!

Anyhow, wrote down the VIN and forgot the paper at work.  It's just a
Cutlass, 2 door, 330 - A/T, although not sure what trans they put in these
- - but it has air conditioning, buckets and one of the coolest consoles I've
seen (in all truthfulness, I bought it for the console).

Best thing - the guy who owned it works for the local pick-a-part & has
little 'extras' he's been picking up when he could, extra emblems, another
door, stuff like that.  There are some really nice '62-'64's in our Olds
Club chapter and we always mention how neat they look, well, maybe the
other half wont be QUITE as mad if I,  A) sell the '69 Toro, B) get the
parts VC stripped & the major carcass hauled out and C) things
unmentionable (joking).

Funny, I went antiquing with my mother in law and thought the major
funiture pieces prices looked cheap - I guess I've been looking at car
prices too long!!!

Anyone have any info on this baby Olds?

P.S. Haven't had the nerve to tell the other half I've bought this yet.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 22:34:32 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long

Hey Steven,
    You wouldn't be interested in hiring a programmer/analyst would ya???  Boy,
I would love to combine my profession, I have a B.S. in computer science and am
currently a programmer/analyst with Sony, with my hobby, restoration of muscle
cars.

Chris (sorry for the somewhat off topic post) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com
or
csmetana@disc.sony.com

69 Cutlass W-31
and others

> We are about to begin a total re-programming of our computer systems to
> enhance customer service and hopefully, customer satisfaction.  When we only
> had 880 part numbers they were a lot easier to keep track of then it is now.
>  We hope to have totally automated purchasing, inventory control, billing,
> inventory history etc. when we are through.  This should help minimize the
> bottle necks and back orders to a manageable level.
>
> This year sales are at an all time high.  Customer satisfaction, in terms of
> delivery times, is probably at an all time low.  The man we are working with
> on this computer thing is one of the brightest minds in his business.  He has
> been here and has seen our operation and how we operate.  He is somewhat
> familiar with our industry in general and I believe he can help tremendously
>  in these areas.
>
> Please feel free to call, write or e-mail us with your thoughts on these
> subjects.  Your constructive criticism is welcome.  If, however,  your nose
> is out of joint-please call me directly-and I'll pay for the call.
>
> Sincerely For Oldsmobiles,

> Steven Kenny
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:40:05 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: (N/O)...Caddy for Sale!

Hey guys!  Due to a need for dollars (to support my Olds habbit!)
I'm thinking about selling my '75 Caddy Deville 4 door hardtop, and I
thought I would see if anybody here was interested.  It's a triple white
(vinyal top, leather interior) car with power *everything*.  The body is
almost perfect, (only one small dent) and the paint is nice, but the
interior is starting to show it's age.  The drivers seat is somewhat worn,
and the door pannels could stand to be replaced.  Mechanically, I've done
quite a bit of work to it--new water pump, rear axle bearings, front and
rear breaks, rebuilt Q-jet, new cap, rotor, platinum plugs, wires, new
dual exhaust (all pipes new!) with glass packs (if they're too loud, I'm
sure turbos would be easy to weld in) and other stuff I can't think of
right now.  Engine is the famous 500 cube monster, trans is a BOP pattern
TH-400 with a very large tranny cooler.  The engine runs good, and makes
some pretty serious power even in stock form.  It really moves for being
such a big car.  I have'nt done a compression check yet, but if anybody is
serious and wants some numbers I could do one.  It's also got a towing
setup--trailer brake, trans cooler, wire harness, and a massive frame
mount (class III?) hitch that I removed when I bought it, but could be
bolted on again.

If you're interesed, I'm asking $1400, but that is negotiable.  I
might be able to deliver it to anywhere near here (Missoula MT) as far
east as Bozeman, and as far west as say, Spokane.  If anybody is
interested I can e-mail you more specifics about the car and maybe send
some pics of it too.  I don't want to sell her, but my budget says I have
to find a good home the 'ol girl.  Let me know what you think...

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 22:47:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?

The other day I was in the local Barns and Noble book store
thumbing through some of their automotive section when I found a book
published by Cars and Parts magazine about some of the salvage yards in
the Western U.S.  I was surprised (in a really good way) to find a whole
bunch of info on yards in Western Montana...some only a couple hours drive
from where I live!  According to the book, the Flathead Valley (3 hours
north of here) is just a goldmine of salvage yards for old cars of all
makes.  One of the places they mention is called Wishers, up in Kalispell.
I guess it's an absolutly huge yard up there just filled with good stuff.

I was just wondering if anybody on the list had ever been there, and if
so, what was the Olds content?  I want to get up there soon (before it
starts getting really cold) but I'm not sure when I'll get the chance.  If
I do get up there soon, I'll try to take some notes and let you guys know
what I find.  The book had an aerial shot of the place, and it just looked
monsterious!!

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 02:48:09 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Lisa's 64 Cutlass

Congrats Lisa!  Tell us if you survive the other half's wrath when he
finds out. (And he WILL find out, trust me)

Yes those Jetaway 2 speed AT's work just fine behind that 330.  If you
haven't rodded it yet, when you do, you will be amazed at its quick
response.  And the consoles ARE pretty cool.  Does yours have the
awesome factory vacuum gage (looks like a tach) on the console?  A
friend of mine had one of those cars once with the vacuum gage.

Since it is rather small, maybe you could hide it in the back of your VC
so he won't find out............

As far as the headers not fitting, there was a thread here a while back
that concerned that very issue.  I forgot the outcome, but I do believe
it wasn't a great prognosis.

GOOD LUCK on your new toy!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 01:13:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?

Keep an eye out for those '66 Toros - I need a pass. side wheel well
molding in the front.  And I'm jealous, our yards in CA s*ck.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 01:18:11 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: (N/O)...Lincoln for Sale!

On a (clearly) related note:  my ex-husband has a beautiful Lincoln Mark
IV, flawless white paint, beautiful navy blue interior, limo-tinted windows
with honest to goodness 10 year guarantee, 460 (?) motor that runs strong,
Flowmaster exhaust (2 yrs news).  Second owner - first a family member.
Too pretty to describe accurately.  He's hauled his boat with it but now
has a bigger (if thats possible) tow vehicle.

Motivated to sell.  Southern California car - deserves an appreciative
home.  Sorry for non-Olds discussion but the Caddy reminded me I'd love to
see this go to a good owner.

Anyone know of anyone possibly interested, e-mail me direct.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:04:57 +0200
From: "archy van wely" <usicon@pi.net>
Subject: Re: Lisa's 64 Cutlass

Can you plse tell me to wich adress I can send my questions??
greetings usicon@pi.net

- ----------
> Van: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> Aan: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Onderwerp: Lisa's 64 Cutlass
> Datum: donderdag 4 september 1997 8:48
>
> Congrats Lisa!  Tell us if you survive the other half's wrath when he
> finds out. (And he WILL find out, trust me)
>
> Yes those Jetaway 2 speed AT's work just fine behind that 330.  If you
> haven't rodded it yet, when you do, you will be amazed at its quick
> response.  And the consoles ARE pretty cool.  Does yours have the
> awesome factory vacuum gage (looks like a tach) on the console?  A
> friend of mine had one of those cars once with the vacuum gage.
>
> Since it is rather small, maybe you could hide it in the back of your VC
> so he won't find out............
>
> As far as the headers not fitting, there was a thread here a while back
> that concerned that very issue.  I forgot the outcome, but I do believe
> it wasn't a great prognosis.
>
> GOOD LUCK on your new toy!
>
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 05:30:57 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: 330 headers

I have a 330 motor in my 72 Cutlass and DO have headers on it. I can't
attest as to how headers would fit in a 64 CUtlass body, but 350 headers
WILL bolt right up to the engine.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Wed, 03 Sep 1997 21:29:08 -0700 James Thingwold <jht@exo.com> writes:
>Just got in inquiry from a guy with a '65 F-85 with a 330 CID that he
>would
>like to put headers on.  Heard these are *not available* (his words).
>Aren't these motors the same -externally - as a 350 CID?  If so are
>the
>concerns then the clearances for the particular year & parts in the
>way??
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>My cars & their alias'
>'64 Cutlass
>'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
>'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
>'69 Toronado (Toro II)
>'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
>Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 07:12:17 -0400
From: Lindsey Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: SSI

At 12:51 AM 9/4/97 -0300, you wrote:
>How much are you asking for these?  I've got a set of 5 SSII wheels but I'd
>prefer the SSI.
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>My cars & their alias'
>'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
>'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
>'69 Toronado (Toro II)
>'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
>Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>
>$200 plus you pay all shipping.
Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 Convertible
1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
Thomaston, Maine

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 03:24:26 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: H*lp! H*lp! H*lp!

padavano.joe wrote:
>
>      Yeah, but given Chris' apparent frantic state, you'd better
>      specify _lightly_ bonking the motor...  ;-)

Well I think Joe probably can relate to this since I am half Italin.
:-)  Ya know, easily excitable! :-)

What I did is a half-asp fix.  I just stuck a brick and a board for
now under the window.  Since the motor assy came off the tracks I
managed to get the rollers back on.  Wow! What a job.   I didn't
realize that I had TWO tracks to hook up to.  Of course now the motor
is sitting off at an angle since it is frozen in it current position.
If it ever comes back to life I'll try to line up the holes and screw
the motor back into place again.  Why do I have such bad luck?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 09:37:29 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: RE: What I Bought In Lansing

     Well I bought somthing for the next generation of Olds owner who came
     w/ me up to Lansing, my 3 month old Eli.  He got a bib at the swap
     meet that has "Future Oldsmobile Owner" printed in burgundy w/ the
     Oldsmobile script from the 70's on it.  I also bought a few trinkets
     for myself.  People were coming up and taking his picture w/ the bib
     on him.

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 97 10:14:03 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: FWD: Rough Idle

Forwarding from Doug Kitchener:
===============================
Brad,

Please forward this to the Olds list for me; I need to keep up my status as
award winner for "Most Posts To The List By A Non-Member"!  :)

Thx-

Doug

> Hi doug,
> i've had a rough idle for the longest time now even after a rebuild and
> going thru the whole engine. the advice i have received has been to
replace > the carb.
> when i replaced the master brake cylinder with an aftermarket one
> the new rubber boot was completely different. the orig, one was much
longer.

Hmmm... the seal I'm talking about is in the power brake booster and is not
normally supplied when you buy a master cylinder...

> your the first one to bring this up as a possible problem so maybe that's
it. > guess i won't know until i take off the mast. cylinder and check the
boot.

When you do that, pull the boot/seal out and flex it to see if it's
cracked... the
last one I had problems with, if you just looked at it, it looked fine;
only on bending it would the cracks show up... good luck!  Hope that's your
problem, it's an easy fix but hard to diagnose!  Could also be a bad
booster or check valve, of course, or a vacuum leak somewhere else.

Another thing you could try is disconnecting and plugging, one by one, all
vacuum lines from the engine... if it starts to run better, at least you'll
know

you have a leak ans what system it's in!  (If the car has A/C, there are a
lot of vacuum controls in that system, for example.)

By the way, the exhaust in my car smelled kind of funny, sort of a lean,
acrid or solventy smell...  I don't have a "smell card" in this computer,
so can't be more accurate than that!  :)  Good luck, let me know if this
helps at all...

Take 're easy!

Doug
dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org

>         take care rich scott
>                 boston ma.
>
>
================================

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:51:57 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

From: BobH592058@aol.com

In a message dated 97-09-01 02:03:06 EDT, you write:

>But of course, anything can fail.  But I am yet to be convinced that an
>aftermarket ignition conversion unit has anywhere near the development and
>testing of a GM system that has been used for a couple of decades in millions
>of cars.

Agreed....

>              Especially when the HEI is an improvement providing much better
>spark characteristics, voltage, etc.  All the Pertronix unit seems to do is
>replace your points.   Big deal.

Well, from what I can tell, the Pertronix consists of a fancy ring w/ embedded
magnets, and a small module, which I'm guessing contains a hall effect
sensor and a couple of transistors.  Yes, its stated function is to replace
the points.  If and when I ever install this in the car, I'll have to drag the
oscilloscope back out to the garage and look at its output waveform.
I would assume it looks more like a square wave, with some discernible
edges.  The plots I took already on the points system are all over the place.
Having a nice trigger edge vs. a noisy slope has to count for something.

What's in a HEI module?  What method does it use for a sensor?  I assumed
it used a variation on the magnet and hall effect sensor as well, just
packaged
differently.  I've been meaning to get to a junkyard and pull one, but haven't
had the time...

>So how much do you drive your car each year?

Way under 3000 miles...  Its not a daily driver.

>                          Before unleaded fuel, which
>keeps plugs cleaner that leaded, the recommended tune up was every 10,000
>miles. So one could argue the points must degrade further before anything
>runs amuck.  Which means they should last somewhat longer.  Is simply
>eliminating the points _really_ gaining anything? I'm talking about a real
>gain in performance, fuel mileage?

HEI is a total system of course.  One part of that is points elimination.
They
(GM Engineering) beefed up the rest of the system with higher coil voltages
and so forth.  Of course its going to have better performance and
fuel mileage.  That was probably the design goals.

As for me, simply replacing a mechanical wear item w/ a device
that (theoretically) never wears out is a good thing.  That must be
my EE background affecting my thinking again. :-)  If I was after
all out performance, I'd probably be looking at those multiple
spark discharge boxes or some other control.  In the end I may
wind up w/ one of those anyway, as the rev limiter function looks
appealing.  Hate to have to keep a spare one of _those_ in the
glovebox though... :-)

>Absolutely, I carry a module, pickup coil and ignition coil with me.  But the
>last time I checked an HEI module is ~$15.  And another Pertronix unit
>costs.......? As I recall, at least a big fraction of a $100 bill (with or
>without Ben Franklin's face centered on it.)

Well, I never said the Pertronix was cheap.  I think its way overpriced
for what comes in the box.  However, its cheaper than if I tried to
cobble up a similar circuit on my own.  On the other hand,
cost wise pulling HEI's from junkyards might be cheaper...

>Bob Handren

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com
somewhere north of Chicago
1970  442  4-Speed

see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:00:26 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Shop HEI conversion

><<The Crane adjustable vacuum advance kit includes a plate that limits the
>amount of vacuum advance that the cannister can add. >>

>IMHO, for the money they charged for that unit, it should have come with the
>adjustable unit.  When I can buy a completely rebuilt HEI for ~$90 at the
>local parts house, where is the value in the Carb Shop unit?  Sounds like
>they left the "stock" can, which has way too much advance for a non-smog
>controlled engine.

After Dr. Bob's comments yesterday I went home, popped the top off the
distributor, sure enough, there is indeed a limiting plate, with serrations,
screwed to the base of the distributor at the end of the advance rod.
It is under tension so it was a little tricky to remove it without it
flying off somewhere.  It was set to allow near maximum travel of the rod out
of the advance can.  From earlier comments I understand I need to limit the
amount of travel of the rod.  I moved it to about the middle and didn't have
time to test it.  That will wait till tomorrow.

My general comment on tuning these distributors--it seems the possible
combinations of weights, springs, quantity and rate of advance make this
fairly complex.  Very much a trial and error operation.  The ideal
combination is quite dependant on compression, rear gear, intended use,
cam, economy vs. performance priorities, etc.  So its difficult to simply take
a reccomendation from a friend as to the correct settings, since that may not
apply to your car.

The methodology I'm using to determine the "best" combination:

1.  Unhook vacuum advance.
2.  Set initial advance to 14 deg.
3.  Use smallest possible combination of springs, while also avoiding pinging.
4.  Hook vac advance and adjust so that there will be maximum possible
vac advance and rate of advance, without pinging.

Anyway, I can see why newer cars have employed computers and sensors to handle
this task of timing and ideal advance.  The number of variables and possible
combinations are so large that only a computer could optimize everything at
any given moment, for any set of circumstances.

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:28:52 -0500
From: CHANNING HINKLE <channing.hinkle@adtran.com>
Subject: DRUM BRAKES

I have a 71 Cutlass with all drum brakes.  When the car is not running
the brake pedal seems normal enough, but when the car is running the
pedal almost goes to the floor before the drums catch & then they barely
catch.  The car set up for about 2 years & was fine until then.  I've
changed the master cylinder, checked all the brake cylinders & even
rebuilt the front ones (they were really bad).  Can't find any leaks.
Any ideas???

Thanks in advance.

By the way does anyone know how many people are on the list?
Just curious.

Channing Hinkle
Athens, AL

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:45:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: CD-ROM with Olds List Digest, Etc.

I was one of the lucky 10 awarded one of Jeff Easton's CD-ROMs containing all
the old digests, the current FAQ and other great stuff.

I haven't been saving all the digests, just cut and pasteing items of
interest at the time I read them.  Naturally, the current items of interest
change over time.  Having all the digests and messages solves the problem of
having to ask for the information again or seek out other (less reliable)
sources.

There are many folks who frequent this list that have enormous
knowledge/experience.  I recommend the CD very highly.  Use "search" in your
word processor/wordpad and find just what you're looking for easily.

Thanks Jeff, good work.

Bob Handren
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Power Windows!

More stuff about infamous power windows. I hope these experiences will
help others:

1) A few years back, my 72 Delta 88 driver's window would not go down.
I took the door panel off and removed the motor. Of course it tested
OK. I put it back in and it didn't work! I happened to close the door
slightly while holding the switch and all of a sudden the window
started working! Evidently moving the door reestablished the ground
path through the hinge. I don't drive this car very often. Recently
the passenger window quit working! I haven't looked at it yet!

2) 82 Ch*vy Suburban. The rear tailgate window was down one day and
wouldn't go back up. To make a long story short, the problem was the 2
female connectors on the ends of the wires that plug into the motor.
The parts store stocked the special connectors which snap into the
plastic plug. After replacing the connectors, I wrapped the plug in
tape to keep water out of the connector. I think later GM vehicles use
a different, sealed connector. The previous owner later told me he
used to "beat" on the tailgate when the window wouldn't work and it
always came back to life!

On a brighter note, the garage floor (30' x 40') has been poured! We
start building walls this weekend!

===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com




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------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:18:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: email addresses and wed addresses (fwd)

Year One's prices are higher, but their service is great. If they don't have
a part or have a problem with the quality they actually call you to tell you
that they can't deliver it and why.
...the infamous Coupe King...

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:18:50 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: DRUM BRAKES

CHANNING HINKLE wrote:

> By the way does anyone know how many people are on the list?

I think it was about 450 in all.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 08:30:46 -0700
From: "Chris Hughes" <chughes3@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Question

What is the normal engine operating temperature for a 1968 Olds Cutlass S
Convertible.  The engine is a 350 w/o air conditioning.

Regards,
Chris

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 08:24:18 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser parts

At 03:43 PM 9/3/97 -1000, you wrote:
>
>I just got a 1965 Vista Cruiser.  It needs a new left front hub.  Do you
>know where I can find one or what other cars have compatible parts?
>
I don't know which parts would fit on your 65 VC, but I would like to take
this opportunity to recommend that you use this hub replacement as an
excuse to install disc brakes.

I was out driving a buddy's '67 Cam*ro this weekend and I couldn't believe
the difference between the Cam*ro's drums and my VC's disc/drum setup.
Discs are a worthwhile investment if you are going to drive your VC rather
than restoring it to dead stock.

Just my $0.02.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:30:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '66-67 442 motor

Have a '66-7 'E' short block bought from a defunct engine building shop.
Which letter code heads came on this block originally? Any recs from owners
on cam applications etc.. to build this motor?
Coupe King@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:25:48 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

Jeff and Bob,

You guys!!  See what I mean about different philosophies when it comes
to Oldses?  Both of you make good points.  Evidently we know which unit
Bob Handren likes better. The HEI.  And for the most part he's right.
It is substantially cheaper in the long run, and if in good shape, will
do just as good as job if not better than the Pertronix.  Bob is a
hot-rod Olds man, God bless him, and getting the most power for the buck
seems to be where he "dwells" (pun intended) and there's nothing wrong
with that.

I'm not sure if Jeff wants to keep that "original" look with the
benefits of HEI.  Or, if the HEI would pose a fitment problem.  If so,
then the Pertronix would probably do fine if installed and set up
correctly, etc.  After all, it is his car and his $$$.  If not, I'd
suggest the HEI.  Remember the UHV?  That in essence, was what became
the HEI.  And all under the small red cap.  Well, not ALL of it.  The
electronics was in a seperate box.  But you get the idea.  But those are
rare and much more expensive than the HEI's or Pertronix.

Jeff, it's your call.  I think we all know the huge benefits of a
properly tuned HEI, but no one's real sure of this Pertronix thing.  If
you try it, let us know how it goes.

2 cents,
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 11:39:47 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: OLDS 394 FORGOT WHO ASKED

HERE IS THE INFO ON THE MOTOR

The Gentleman did not leave any name so I do not know what to tell
you.

1964 394 2 bbl High Compression
Ran fine when removed from car in 1980
Stored in Heated Garage Since
Turns Over fine
$100 Dollars

Arlington Massachusettes
617-646-0613

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:18:00 -0300
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: Re: '66-67 442 motor

>
> Have a '66-7 'E' short block bought from a defunct engine building shop.
> Which letter code heads came on this block originally? Any recs from owners
> on cam applications etc.. to build this motor?
> Coupe King@aol.com
>

B heads in '66
C heads in '67

Mike Turley        '66 442
turley@symplex.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 11:34:38 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Re: Cheap 600 HP 455?

<snip>
(***ESPECIALLY any Olds articles you may have!!!)
<snip>

Go to Bryceman's site (http://www.442.com) and download the Olds engine
article-- It contains some VERY useful information that may be of interest
to you.

Good luck, and keep us posted!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:42:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

In a message dated 97-09-04 10:50:39 EDT, you write:

<<
 >Absolutely, I carry a module, pickup coil and ignition coil with me.  But
the
 >last time I checked an HEI module is ~$15.  And another Pertronix unit
 >costs.......? As I recall, at least a big fraction of a $100 bill (with or
 >without Ben Franklin's face centered on it.)

 Well, I never said the Pertronix was cheap.  I think its way overpriced
 for what comes in the box.  However, its cheaper than if I tried to
 cobble up a similar circuit on my own.  On the other hand,
 cost wise pulling HEI's from junkyards might be cheaper...

 >Bob Handren

 -Jeff
 jeff.easton@abbott.com
 somewhere north of Chicago >>

Myself, I'll stick with a factory HEI (the new motor will get an HEI, should
be a good upgrade from a 1970 points type ignition), it's easy to maintain,
and cheap to purchase.  If you don't have one, it'll cost ya $20 for a
junkyard  distributor, $15 for a module, and then the cost of cap, rotor, and
wires (but you're already buying those anyways, right, since you'd be putting
in a new ignition w/ old wires???).  When doing this I've found the best way
is to make sure you get an older HEI module from the store (you also want an
older HEI distributor if you can, say the late 70's if poss.), which takes
out any computer controls.  Then get an advance curve (weight) kit, and an
adjustable vacuum advance cannister, and you'll be all set.  You could also
have a shop go through the distributor, but it'll cost some extra $$.

The HEI should work fine for street motors, and if you're concerned about
getting a hotter spark, you can replace the stock coil w/an aftermarket one
for reasonable money.  Of course, if you like the RPM limiter (don't need for
an auto trans unless you manual shift, of course), then spring for the
aftermarket types.

I've heard alot of people say they don't trust the HEI modules since they can
just "go", but as one suggestion says... keep one in the glovebox as a
spare...  And alot of people will also tell you that with points "at least I
can see what's wrong", etc. but with most electronics today, it's not a
problem normally (you didn't buy cheap stuff, and save money, right?), and
any problem with the units when they came out (heat, vibration, unreliable)
has been worked out over the years (GM's refinement, as mentioned
previously).

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:52:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: FSISSD05@aol.com
Subject: '64 Dynamic 88 convertible transplant

To fellow oldsmobile lovers,
     I have just recently purchased the above car (with only 60,000 miles)
and want to modernize it with the following powertrain; a '66 425 engine, an
700R4 trans, and possibly a Holley Pro-Injection system.
     My questions are;
How difficult is the swap from a 394 to a 425 engine?
Will I have to find special engine mounts?
Are there any exhaust headers that will work (with minor modifacations)?
Is it possible to use a later style power steering pump with the original
steering box?
Are there any easy swaps for front disc brakes and possibly rear disc?
And I am in need of a rear bumper for this car?
     For you purist out there don't worry.   The original powertrain will be
stored in case I later wish to go original for showing.  The car has the
original cruise control and power seats and both work (occasionally).   I
want the car to be a family summer cruiser for long trips on vacation and
visiting relatives so dependiblity and some gas ecomomy are my considerations
for the powertrain swap.
                                                        thanks for all
assistance,
                                                                 Dean
Eechaute

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 09:55:49 -0700
From: "Gary Andresen" <gandresen@altigen.com>
Subject: Re: 55 88 Project

- --=_ALTIGENCOMMUINCATIONS14080
CONTENT-TYPE: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1
CONTENT-TRANSFER-ENCODING: 7BIT

Bob,

Thanks for the note and feedback.

Yes, I joined the No. Cal Olds club shortly after getting my '55, but it's
not
much fun without a car to bring to events.

The car will be done soon, but because of the many delays and un-kept
promisses most of the shows will soon be over for the year.

Have always loved the '55 through '57 Oldses and "442s".  I guess that's
why
I built my '55 version of the 442 - 455 with two fours, Turbo 400 plus dual
exhaust with cut-outs.

Someone with a similar engine setup in a '55 told me he put a Ford 9 inch
without mods and it just fit.  Would prefer a GM rear-end so will check-out
your advise.

Thanks again and if you ever get back to the Tri-Valley area for a visit,
be sure
to let me know.

Gary Andresen
- ----------
> From: BobH592058@aol.com
> To: gandresen@ibm.net; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 55 88 Project
> Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 5:10 PM
>
> Gary Anderson wrote:
>
>
> <<MY FIRST QUESTION - Do you think the rear-end can handle this engine??
> This isn't intended to be a drag car, but you know damn well I will get
on it
> every
> chance I get. >>
>
>
> Gee Gary, we have a bunch of things in common.  My first car was a 56 88
with
> three-on-the-tree.  When it departed me to be replaced by a 65 442 it had
a
> 394 with J-2 carbs on an Offy manifold, Cadillac transmission (which
didn't
> break every 6 months) Traction Masters, Air Lifts, etc. I also spent a
short
> time at LLNL so know the Pleasanton area.  Are you a member of the NorCal
> Chapter?
>
> The 55 has, I presume, the same rear as the 56.  I broke axels like
> clockwork, the Traction Masters helped but they still broke.  A big clue
> might be that the 57-64 (I think) rears are still used.  One can still
buy
> gear sets for 'em.  That says to me they are a bunch stronger.  The 57 up
> rears have been used in some pretty powerful and heavy drag cars way back
> when.
>
> Love the car you described!  Real memories.
>
> Bob Handren
> OCA/OCFª 7728
> '67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
> Oviedo, FL
>
> Handren Associates, Inc.
> FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
> Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
> (407)365-6385
>
>
- --=_ALTIGENCOMMUINCATIONS14080--

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:05:45 -0600
From: Robert A Sanders <rsanders@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

I have a 55 Olds with a 324 cid engine.  Will any year HEI fit in the motor? If
not, I guess then that the Pertronix is my only option to upgrade to electronic
ignition.  Any helpful comments will be appreciated.

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-09-04 10:50:39 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>  >Absolutely, I carry a module, pickup coil and ignition coil with me.  But
> the
>  >last time I checked an HEI module is ~$15.  And another Pertronix unit
>  >costs.......? As I recall, at least a big fraction of a $100 bill (with or
>  >without Ben Franklin's face centered on it.)
>
>  Well, I never said the Pertronix was cheap.  I think its way overpriced
>  for what comes in the box.  However, its cheaper than if I tried to
>  cobble up a similar circuit on my own.  On the other hand,
>  cost wise pulling HEI's from junkyards might be cheaper...
>
>  >Bob Handren
>
>  -Jeff
>  jeff.easton@abbott.com
>  somewhere north of Chicago >>
>
> Myself, I'll stick with a factory HEI (the new motor will get an HEI, should
> be a good upgrade from a 1970 points type ignition), it's easy to maintain,
> and cheap to purchase.  If you don't have one, it'll cost ya $20 for a
> junkyard  distributor, $15 for a module, and then the cost of cap, rotor, and
> wires (but you're already buying those anyways, right, since you'd be putting
> in a new ignition w/ old wires???).  When doing this I've found the best way
> is to make sure you get an older HEI module from the store (you also want an
> older HEI distributor if you can, say the late 70's if poss.), which takes
> out any computer controls.  Then get an advance curve (weight) kit, and an
> adjustable vacuum advance cannister, and you'll be all set.  You could also
> have a shop go through the distributor, but it'll cost some extra $$.
>
> The HEI should work fine for street motors, and if you're concerned about
> getting a hotter spark, you can replace the stock coil w/an aftermarket one
> for reasonable money.  Of course, if you like the RPM limiter (don't need for
> an auto trans unless you manual shift, of course), then spring for the
> aftermarket types.
>
> I've heard alot of people say they don't trust the HEI modules since they can
> just "go", but as one suggestion says... keep one in the glovebox as a
> spare...  And alot of people will also tell you that with points "at least I
> can see what's wrong", etc. but with most electronics today, it's not a
> problem normally (you didn't buy cheap stuff, and save money, right?), and
> any problem with the units when they came out (heat, vibration, unreliable)
> has been worked out over the years (GM's refinement, as mentioned
> previously).
>
> Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 12:10:28 -0600
From: Robert A Sanders <rsanders@holly.colostate.edu>
Subject: Re: CD-ROM with Olds List Digest, Etc.

Bob,
What is the OCA and what is the FAQ and Digest.  I'm new to this web site and 
am
desparately seeking info about my 55 Olds.  Thanks for your help.

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:

> I was one of the lucky 10 awarded one of Jeff Easton's CD-ROMs containing all
> the old digests, the current FAQ and other great stuff.
>
> I haven't been saving all the digests, just cut and pasteing items of
> interest at the time I read them.  Naturally, the current items of interest
> change over time.  Having all the digests and messages solves the problem of
> having to ask for the information again or seek out other (less reliable)
> sources.
>
> There are many folks who frequent this list that have enormous
> knowledge/experience.  I recommend the CD very highly.  Use "search" in your
> word processor/wordpad and find just what you're looking for easily.
>
> Thanks Jeff, good work.
>
> Bob Handren
> OCA/OCFª 7728
> '67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
> Oviedo, FL
>
> Handren Associates, Inc.
> FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
> Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
> (407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:38:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '64 Dynamic 88 convertible transplant

A non-member post, but with some interesting questions.... if anyone
has answers, reply to him directly since he's not on the list.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:52:23 -0400 (EDT)
From:FSISSD05@aol.com
cc:eechaute@ssd.fsi.com
Subject: '64 Dynamic 88 convertible transplant

To fellow oldsmobile lovers,
     I have just recently purchased the above car (with only 60,000 miles)
and want to modernize it with the following powertrain; a '66 425 engine, an
700R4 trans, and possibly a Holley Pro-Injection system.
     My questions are;
How difficult is the swap from a 394 to a 425 engine?
Will I have to find special engine mounts?
Are there any exhaust headers that will work (with minor modifacations)?
Is it possible to use a later style power steering pump with the original
steering box?
Are there any easy swaps for front disc brakes and possibly rear disc?
And I am in need of a rear bumper for this car?
     For you purist out there don't worry.   The original powertrain will be
stored in case I later wish to go original for showing.  The car has the
original cruise control and power seats and both work (occasionally).   I
want the car to be a family summer cruiser for long trips on vacation and
visiting relatives so dependiblity and some gas ecomomy are my considerations
for the powertrain swap.
                                                        thanks for all
assistance,
                                                                 Dean
Eechaute

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:41:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: 442 Sales

Hi Folks, Got this out of the 9/4/97 Phila. Inquirer Want ads.


Olds 442 '68 Conv 400 eng.
Needs Full Restoration $1400
609-265-0839

Olds 442 '65 Conv auto 50k
orig. miles Very good cond. $7500
215-699-6401
Beep 215-577-9148


Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:54:24 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Motion Olds - MCR

Anybody remember a few months ago the rumor of one of the mags doing a
build-up of a mid-80's Cutlass with a bb che*y?  The one that many of us
e-mailed them trying to talk some sense into them?  Seems to me it was
Popular Mechanics or something...   Anyone ever followed up on it, or
seen any updates?  Did it ever happen, etc.

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:58:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Shirt??

In a message dated 97-09-04 13:25:10 EDT, you write:

<< Mark,

 Hey, I meant to ask in Lansing -- Can I get a Street Rockets T-shirt?

 I'm gonna take the 442 to a small show in Plymouth on Sunday and
 would actually like to have one of the shirts by then.

 It's not a big deal, but if this is possible let me know.
 I'd have no problem swinging by to pay for one and pick it up.

 Thanks Mark,
 Mike
  >>
You need to call either Mark Cornea or Bill Stamper since they have the
shirts.

Bills number is 313 562-2873, If he doenst, then I am sorry, but we are
talking of making another run of them in both colors of white and black

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long

In a message dated 97-09-04 13:25:20 EDT, you write:

<< I NEVER REALIZED WHAT VILLAINS WE ARE!   In the first place, we have never
 sold a set of 455 frame mounts for anywhere close to $275.  If you have a
 receipt for this transaction, I'd love to see it.  You were standing right
 next to me when I purchased a set of these for $40 in Lansing.  You
 immediately looked at me and started running your mouth about Brothers
 Automotive selling these for $275.  I suspect you were quoted 2 for $75!
 You
 obviously were mistaken.  I was just as stunned by this allegation and
 embarrassed for you then as I am now.   Your willingness to  slam us struck
 me as amusing-but not as amusing as a few minutes later when, at another
 vendors space you saw me writing a check to another of my old friends and
 realized I was Brothers Automotive!  Your uninvited commentary and
subsequent
 sheepish apology were accepted by me without comment.  I was half expecting
 you to sit down to put your other foot in your mouth.....    No one here
 'took' your left arm or your left leg for anything.   >>

As for calling me a liar, I have two other witness's that stood next to me
and were also totally amazed by the quote.  We even reask the question Two
Hundred and Seventy Five Dollars and he said yes.  Quote on quote "  They are
very hard to come by" is what your partner said.  As in finding out you owned
Brothers, I was say kinda of embarrassed because I was trying to help fellow
Olds enthusiasts from getting ripped off.  As for Big Block frame mounts, I
bought two sets myself for 25.00 and 35.00.  As in taking my arm, its kind of
a personal quote stating that the prices are way out of line and that people
think they have gold when it fact its Tin.

W MACHINES

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:11:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long

In a message dated 97-09-04 13:25:20 EDT, you write:

<< our willingness to  slam us struck
 me as amusing-but not as amusing as a few minutes later when, at another
 vendors space you saw me writing a check to another of my old friends and
 realized I was Brothers Automotive >>

O

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 17:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Several Subjects/Cust. Service Problems and Solutions-Long

In a message dated 97-09-04 13:25:20 EDT, you write:

<< Your uninvited commentary and subsequent
 sheepish apology were accepted by me without comment.  >>
What I want to know also, after telling you the price for the mounts at some
vendor you bought the other frame mounts, how come you did not identify
yourself and say "Hey that cant be right, I own Brothers and we would never
sell something like that at that price."  My partner must have made a mistake
or something......

Something to ponder

W MACHINES

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:10:37 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: NOS 1979 H/O Emblems For Sale (8/14)

Got all the stuff, looks beautiful man! Thanks.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:28:27 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '66-67 442 motor

At 11:30 AM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Have a '66-7 'E' short block bought from a defunct engine building shop.
>Which letter code heads came on this block originally? Any recs from owners
>on cam applications etc.. to build this motor?
>Coupe King@aol.com
>

        Just remember that block has the large lifter bore (.921). The
lifters are very expensive, about $145.00 set. It is a 39 degree lifter
angle as all late Olds engines. The 308 duration W-31 cam works well in
them. Mine has the 328 duration W-30 stick cam and makes alot of power. I'm
thinking of trying one of Dave Smith's cams for this engine. These short
stroke 400's will rev alot higher than any other big block. Right around
6800 is the max. B heads were used on the 66 442's. The Tri-carb and the
W-30's used what's called a -1 (dash one) head. That is that the casting
number is followed by a -1. They are harder to find. All the 67's came with
C heads. Remember all of these are big valve heads also. The C' being
alittle better breathing than the B's. Also the flex plate or the flywheel's
are different fron 68 and later. The bolt pattern is funky. So you MUST have
one of the 66-67 parts. Otherwise it's just like any other Olds engine. Hope
this helps.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:24:47 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: OOps!

I goofed.  I sent a reply to Tom Stoner that should've been personal.
Sorry everyone! Suffering from EHS today (Empty Head Syndrome)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:33:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: (Event): All-Oldsmobile Funshow

Coming up THIS Sunday!

For anyone in the St. Louis or Mid-West area:

BRING YOUR OLDSMOBILE....

The next REAL big show that you don't want to miss is the 14th Annual
All-Oldsmobile Funshow.  This year, of course, we are celebrating
Oldsmobile's 100th anniversary.  My wife and I are organizing Archway
Oldsmobile's Annual Funshow this year.  It is a car show/swap meet that is
open to the public and will be held on Sept 7, 1997.   This is a successful
and growing event, and we anticipate the largest one ever for this year.  It
is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet center" parking lot, which is
right next to Highway 70 (30 feet from the highway) and fully visible to
thousands of people driving by on HWY 70.  It is also conveniently located
next to Historic downtown St. Charles Riverfront Landing, and right next
door to the Station Casino-St. Charles (Also one of our proud sponsors).  We
had a good showing last year of old to new Olds.  A total of well over 100
cars were on display.  Some of the highlights were a 1968 H/O, two 1970
W30s, 1983 H/O 15th Anniversary model, 1972 Indy Pace car (all original, and
never restored), 1955 olds, 1949 Olds and a great assortment of 442s and
Cutlasses.  Many trophies were awarded, the '68 H/O took one.

This year we anticipate the largest turnout ever.

We are trying to get as much representation from Oldsmobiles 100 years as
possible, and expect to see representation from the 30's through the 90's.
 I will be providing the Oldies music (I used to work for Jukebox 96 FM here
in St. Louis doing an oldies show, and have been doing mobile DJing since
1982).  You can expect to see a performance by "Jake and Elwood's Rock and
Roll, Rhythm and Blues Review" some time around noon or 1:00pm.   Also, food
and beverages will be available.

Here is the information: (you can see a similar ad in Cars & Parts magazine)


Sept. 7, 1997, 8am-5pm - St. Charles MO - Archway Oldmobile Funshow.  Car
Show/swap meet that is open to the public, and held by The Archway
Oldsmobile Club of St. Louis from 8am to 5pm.  Have a unique or classic
Olds?  Come show it!  It is held at "The Heart of St. Charles Banquet
center" parking lot right at HWY 70 and 5th street.  Prizes, and trophies
given away in 16 categories.  Oldies music, also featuring Blues Brothers
performance, arriving in '74 Dodge Monaco Bluesmobile replica.  For more
information call John Palmberger (314)-355-4864

We are welcoming any and all Oldsmobiles to participate.  Your car does not
have to be show quality to show it.  By doing this, we should have a great
representation of all of Oldsmobiles different models, makes and years.  You
don't have to enter your Olds in the competition to show it.  but, if you
wish to compete in one of the 16 categories, the entry fee is only $10.00.

Please let me know if you need more specific directions, and I will be glad
to provide them.  If you would like information about lodgings, I will be
more than happy to provide it.  It actually is being held in a huge parking
lot that is shared by the St. Charles Inn, and across the street is a Ramada
(the Ramada that has a huge Noahs Ark in front of it ).

ps.  I will have the '68 Cutlass Supreme there, and the '69 4-4-2.
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Jeff Zeilmann
1605 Elizabeth Ellen Ct.
St. Peters, MO 63376-6542

Home Phone ª: (314) 939-4613
Daytime ª: (314) 891-7915
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible (and the NEW '69 4-4-2)

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