
oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, September 9 1997      Volume 01 : Number 840



Re: dualgate question
Re: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: ns.ca: no data known)
Oldsmobile Wheels
Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?
Re: dualgate question
Re: Parts wanted
Re: 71 Olds
Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?
Re: Oldsmobile Wheels
Re: naoc
Re: Engine tuning(kinda long)
Re: Oldsmobile Wheels
Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?
Re: Plastic Chrome
Re: MUFFLERS
Re: 70 steering wheel
Misc. for Sale items
Three and counting!
Re: Three and counting!
'77 For Sale
Delta Questions
subscribe oldsmobile
Compression increase, how to....
Re: MUFFLERS - Dynomax
Re: Window questions
Re: SSI
Re: Re[2]: Questions
Re: Parts wanted
Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?
Re: Bogging? (Second time sent)
Re: MUFFLERS
Olds Cruise Nite 9/13 - TIME 5-9pm + movie listing
Re: dualgate question
Re: dualgate question
1966 Cutlass Convertible FS
Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
Head Bolt Question
RE: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
RE: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Re: Head Bolt Question
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Re: Bogging? (Second time sent)
W31
Re:  69 h/o conv
Ashburn passes away
RE: MUFFLERS
Re: Performance information????
Re: Engine tuning(read me)
rear ends
Re: rear ends
'70 Toro GT for sale
RE: Ashburn passes away
Re: rear ends
BB Edelbrock Heads?
I need a nipple!
Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Re: Plastic Chrome
funny looking bracket
Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Re: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?
Re: Junk Yard listings
Re: Quadra Qs...

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:52:00 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: dualgate question

>   Check out hemmings for a dual gate shifter.  I see Brothers Auto has them
> in thier book, or perhaps someone on this list may have one to sell.  Just
> make sure it comes with all the mounting brackets.
> 
Good point.  But if I recall correctly, and I haven't been good at that
lately, the dual gate was an option for the Rallye.  I've not done a
whole lot of research on it, but I think it's OK to have the standard
shifter.  And ensure it's a 70 dual gate.  It has the neutral safety
switch at the back of the shifter.  Later models were put on the
column.  Some people on this list say that isn't so, but search your
feelings Luke, you know this to be true!

I may have one laying around.  At least I think I did once.  Not sure
what year it came out of though.  I remember it had the brackets
though.  I'll look around.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:06:05 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: ns.ca: no data known)

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> Subject: Wheel question
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:05:01 -0700
> From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
> To: chebucto@ns.ca
> 
> Which would be the more valuable wheel SSI or SSII?
> Is there any difference in value of the two?
> Thanks
> 
> Boogah
> 72 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:16:39 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile Wheels

Is there a difference in the value of SSI vs SSII olds wheels. Is one
style more rare than the other? 
Thanks
Boogah

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 18:12:01 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?

> Most mechanics just refuse, most friends just laugh.  Am I crazy?  So I'm in
> love-  How much can it cost me?  Thanks for your help!


A properly built and tuned 455 does not need a turbo. What you do have
to do though is decide where you want your power. Low end (0-60) or top
end (high speed). Your car is set up for the top end range because it's
heavy and geared very high. Unless you change the rear gear you are some
what limited in your cam choices. I've heard the 700-R4 overdrives will
work with these engines when properly beefed up so you could find a
lower gear, say 3.23 and will not lose anything on gas milage. As far as
cash is concerned, the cheapes I've ever built a 455 is $1,500. The one
I'm building now has gone over the $5,000 mark. 

Danny

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:17:51 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: dualgate question

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>I'm looking at a rallye350 with an automatic trans on the floor. It has a
>console. My question is would I be able to put in a dual gate? Does anyone
>out there know where I can find a good dualgate? Has anyone ever done this
>before? Thanks!
>

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average price for the dual-gate shifter console is $300. - $400. complete.

hopefully you need black!  You should not have a problem finding one, but 
this the going rate.  As mentioned before, get ALL the mounting hardware 
with it!!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:38:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts wanted

Try Jim Chermack in Va Beach, Va  757-474-0869 or e mail chermac@exis.net

Mark Heiser

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:41:44 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Olds

i got some bad news for you. in 71 there was a choice between 2 or 4
barrel, you may have the correct carb.
i would base my upgrades on the ratio of the rear axle. if  your gears
are dead, you might be disappionted with the mods.
do the exhaust with out the cuts on the bumper (flowmaster mufflers
too).

Howie
71 cutlass supreme

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:26:40 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?

<Having the power obsession that I do, I want to check into the feasibility of 
adding a turbo at the same time. >
==============================================================================

Man!  how fast do you want to go anyway?  If this car your talking about is 
going to be a daily driver, take my advice and buy a hemi.

Don't get me wrong, I hate mopars passionately!  But if a 455 won't satisfy 
your "speed buds", find a off road dragster. (it will probably be cheaper) :)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

 

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:38:17 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Wheels

J. Michael Wolfe wrote:
> 
> Is there a difference in the value of SSI vs SSII olds wheels. Is one
> style more rare than the other?
> Thanks
> Boogah

Depends on who wants them and how bad they want them.  SSII's are
probably more desireable to the 70-72 Cutlass crowd, while the I's are
probably more desireable to the pre-70 crowd. At least this is the trend
I've seen.  The SSI is a beautiful jewel.  They look real cool too.  The
SSII has it's own good qualities, like subtle chrome, yet says, "Look at
me!" And the fact that you can convert an SSII to an SSIII just by
painting it lower body color.  Can't convert an SSI into anything else. 
Why are you asking, anyway.  Just curious, got some to sell, or want
some to buy and you can't tell which ones you want?  Or you just want to
know information?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:49:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: naoc

I am getting to that point where it's like too many magazine subscriptions.
 But I'll definately ponder the idea.  I am sure there is an enormous
wealth of great information amongst the 'old geezers' :-)

Lisa

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:26:21 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Engine tuning(kinda long)

> Hey guys, I got very little response on the weekend concerning the
> problem my Olds buddy is having.  Anyone want to point him in the right
> direction.  I think he's about to fire a few shots at it with his
> shotgun.....we wounldn't want to ruin a perfectly good 442 would we.

Ahh, the old 'Now it's time to troubleshoot, where do I start'
syndrome.  We've all probably been there, and it may or may not be
simple.

Well, I think pump shot is not the problem.  You didn't say it had a
mechanical fuel pump or not, so I'll assume it does.  If it does,  20-30
times just to get it started leads me to believe that it could be the
fuel wells leaking at the bottom of the carb bowl.  Thus, the pump needs
to fill this void and until it cranks enough, no gas, and the car could
actually be flooded from gas drained from the carb.  Maybe. A little
epoxy to the fuel well caps on the bottom of the fuel bowl might fix
it.  
If it is an electric pump, then you may be exceeding the design pressure
of the needle seat, flooding the carb as soon as the pump runs for a few
seconds.  Float level may be way off, sticking needle/seat, or clogged
filters, line obstruction.  But then clogs wouldn't account for extra
fuel on start up.

What about ignition problems?  Getting enough voltage to fire that puppy
out of the box?  Timing?  Advance curve?  Without much vacuum, you are
probably running a non-vacuum distributor.  Make sure the mechanical
advance and intial timing are correct.  This won't do much for the fuel,
but it could make it easier to start, reduce bog, etc.

As far as the bog, then recovering, I believe it is because the "wrap"
on the secondary air valve spring is too loose.  That spring needs to be
tight enough to keep the secondaries from getting too much air until it
is ready for it.  Then the fuel catches up and off you go again.  Major
time killer at the track.  The sound of secondaries flying open is
impressive, but you want a smooth transition of power all the way up the
RPM band.  Of course, if the spring is too tight, you'll nose dive
performance at the top end.  On secondaries of a vacuum nature, the bog
is from lack of fuel, not excessive fuel, because there is no secondary
pump shot to cover the big "hole" you just made in the fuel curve when
you opened the secondaries.

It could also be a combination of things.  Here's a thought.  First,
check the ignition to see if plug gaps, timing, etc., are correct.  Then
try another carb, just to see what it does.  If the carb is found
faulty, THEN have it rebuilt/looked at.  If there is no improvement,
then you could possibly start elimination things one by one until you
"stumble" across it.  (pun intended)  

GOOD LUCK!

another 2 cents.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:01:53 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Wheels

At 11:16 PM 9/8/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Is there a difference in the value of SSI vs SSII olds wheels. Is one
>style more rare than the other? 
>Thanks
>Boogah
>

Boogah

        The SSI's are more rare than the SSII's. The price difference is
usually about $50-85 depending on condition of the wheels. All the car
manufacturers at one time or another had a wheel that was just like or very
simular to the SSI's. Funny they were all made by the same manufacturer
Kelsey Hayes. So when your looking for a set make sure your looking at a
chrome set with 5 lugs spaced 4 3/4 inches center to ceter across the wheel.
The Ch*vy version is the same with painted spokes. They are not as rare as
some would think. They are out there for reasonable prices. The trim rings
are the same for SSI's and SSII's. The center caps are still available new.
Happy Hunting.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:05:47 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?

>I'm a newbie, and I need help.  I've been driving a 1976 '98 for several
>years now, and it's just been the best car I could dream of having.  The
>time has come where the body is falling to pieces, but mechanically, it's
>never had a problem.  I'm especially attached to it's 455.  So attached,
>that I want to continue it's life in a 1977 '98 that happens to have a good
>body.  
>I've already found out that the engine mounts are different, but a conversion
>is available.

Hmmm, I'd imagine you could just use the 350/403 engine/frame mount
combination from the '77 with that 455. The dimensions of the external
mounting bosses for the 455 engine are the same as the 350/403 that was
available in the '77

The motor has about 160,000 on it, so I figure this would also
>be a good opportunity to overhaul it.  Someone told me that it could cost

Yes, now would be an excellent time to do that.

>around $1800 to do that.  

Figure on at least that much (parts + machine work; you assemble it
yourself), if you need to bore the block for oversize pistons.

>But, it gets worse.  Having the power obsession 
>that I do, I want to check into the feasibility of adding a turbo at the
>same time.  

A turbo would be a poor way to add power to this engine; everything would be
custom made, and it wouldn't improve your power in most driving situations,
where you want low-end torque. A good camshaft properly degreed into the
block, larger valves, perhaps some porting, an aluminum intake, and some
true dual exhaust manifolds would give you plenty of power. Also, get at
least a 2.73 rear gear (better yet, a 3.08 or 3.23 posi), if you don't have
one already. The problem with a naturally-aspirated 455 won't be making
power, but controlling it.

>That would be more $$$ of course, but I have no idea how much.
>That's where I was hoping to get an answer here.

I'd hazard a guess that custom headers, to a blow-through turbo unit, etc.
would run around $2000. A good cam is only $125. Your call.

>Also, does anyone know what year the first (automatic) overdrive transmission
>as used in an Olds?  Can it be transferred to a 1977 '98?  This would be my
>dream vehicle, because I think it would be much more reasonable with fuel.
>Most mechanics just refuse, most friends just laugh.  Am I crazy?  So I'm in
>love-  How much can it cost me?  Thanks for your help!

Well, it might be *slightly* more reasonable with fuel; driving style will
make all the difference. Expect 14-16 mpg highway, if you feather-foot it.
8-10 mpg if you have fun with it (which is going to be hard to resist... :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:11:23 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Chrome

At 10:05 AM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>----- Begin Included Message -----
>
>>From oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca Fri Sep  5 22:49 EDT 1997
>X-Sender: chermac@mailhub.exis.net
>
>Where is Mr. G's, I have heard of them? Phone number?
>
>Mike

Mike

        Mr G's is in Fort Wayne TX. Their number is (817) 831-3501. Their
services are very good and timely. 

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:00:02 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: MUFFLERS

Erick - did you notice how he *overlooked* how LOUD these Walker's would
be?  I think he's trying to avoid the question.  My ex's Lincoln with a BB
F*rd has the 3 chamber Flowmasters and I thought it sounded nice (not
overly loud unless he got on it).  Then again, I'm not the best expert to
ask as to what is considered LOUD *grin*.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:21:40 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 70 steering wheel

At 11:02 PM 9/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi
>    I have a 70 cutlass supreme convertible.  The standard steering wheel is
>cracked and not looking very good.  The color of the wheel and interior is
>brown.  My question is Is it possible to find the correct wheel in good
>condition or will I have to replace it with a ralley wheel?  If anyone has
>either wheel I would appreciate hearing from you.
>
>Also would the ralley whell have been an option on this car?  In 70 I believe
>that the horn button on the ralley wheel would be black.  They didn't start
>color cooridinating the horn and wheel support until 71.  Is this right?
>
>Thanks in advance for your help.
>
>Doug Harkema
>70 CS conv't
>
>harkema2@piolt.msu.edu
>

Doug

        Your correct. The center hub was not color coordinated until 71. All
70 sport wheels had black centers. A nice brown regular steering wheel is
going to be alot harder to find than a sport wheel. Good Luck.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:22:59 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Misc. for Sale items

Forwarding some cars & parts I was advised are for sale.  Phone number is
stuck to the end of the message :-)

1968 toro no rust 1971 cutless runs good 1980 98 everything      new
headers duels 650 holley photoeye dist.hicomp 307 also      several 455
hicomp +locomp motors 1973 delta 88 conv.455      400torbohydro 419 447 0475


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 00:11:18 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Three and counting!

Well, today was a pretty good day.  First, I was already feeling pretty
good about the fact that "one of our own" from the list, Lisa Madsen,
had her entertaining story published in the latest JWO.  If I hadn't
said so already:  Way to go Lisa!

Jon Wessel (director of the Hurst/Olds Club of America) was informed of
the "new" '69 H/O Fire Frost paint to be available soon.  I was somewhat
shocked over this next part:  he asked me to write an article about it
for the H/OCA newsletter!  Not quite as prestigeous as Lisa's venue,
but  I nonetheless agreed.  I sat down, wrote it up, and faxed it out. 
Now all I can do is wait.  I'll see if it's in the upcoming issue of
"Thunder and Lightning".  

Let's not forget national magazine coverage of Bob Handren and his
Florida meet!  I may not be in the big leagues with Bob and Lisa yet,
but I gotta start somewhere! 

I'm curious to know, is there anyone else out there who's had stuff
published either in magazines, videos, articles, etc.?  I'm sure there
is.  Too much knowledge on this list.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:37:21 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Three and counting!

I think my biggest *thrill* (car wise thank you) was when I first
finished my '67 C/S convert back to stock & Car Craft published my letter
- - in detail - about all I'd done to it.  As you are all aware, that's not
the easiest thing to get accomplished with an Olds!  I think they were
impressed a **GIRL** would write all about an <italic>Olds</italic> &
bracket racing, etc.  Of course, that was back in <bold>1979.  

</bold>

Thanks Mike for the acknowledgment - I wrote that right after I got the
Delta - you can all see what trouble I've gotten myself into since
then!!!!!




Lisa Madsen

Anaheim, CA


My cars & their alias'

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)

'66 Toronado (LA Woman)

'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)

'69 Toronado (Toro II)

'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)


Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com


My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/


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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:32:39 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '77 For Sale

Received the following car for sale advice on my web page - please forward
replies to me privately - Thanks

Disclaimer - Don't know the person or the car : just exchanging information

1977 cutlass supreme with limited slip differential, 5-speed manual, 260cid
v8, high capacity cooling, radio replaced( original 8 track/am/fm in
storage). new upholstery and carpet, door seals, door hinges, windshield(
replaced due to age wear). documentation includes: repair records, owner
guide, window sticker, factory build order, 1977 fisher body service
manual, 1977 oldsmobile service manual. Has 200,000 miles, used currently
daily and gets 20mpg. One owner. 



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: 8 Sep 1997 22:12:48 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Delta Questions

I got several questions about my '78 Delta 88

1) How often do you see '78 Delta 88 2 door sedans (NON royale)?  I
don't think I have ever come across another car like mine out there.  My
car is also called a "California Coupe" and has a 21 gallon gas tank
unlike the 25.25 in the other B-C body lines.

Here is the VIN if you are curious.

3L37R8C106633

3 = Oldsmobile
L = Delta 88
37 = Coupe
R = L34 350 cid V8
8 = 1978
C = Southgate, CA
106633 = unit number

I believe only 17000 were produced.


2) I have a rough idle when I am at stoplights and it kind of shakes the
car a little bit.  When I take my foot off the throttle after revving it
up a little I will hear popping/burbling sounds, and when I am revving
it up a little bit (usually up to about 1500 rpm) it seems to miss
sometimes, but it is a sporadic miss, like a spark plug is not firing
once out of every 50-100 times.  The car is my daliy driver and has 83K
on the motor.

3) When I am going to go on the freeway I usually get a good run at it
so I am up to speed (unlike a lot of losers around where I live who
think it is a time to slow down to 25 mph) and I usually wind it up to
about 60 in 2nd gear (2.41 7.5" rearend) but the engine seems like it
is pulling enough advance out of the distributor or the weights could be
frozen inside the dist.  I am thinking of putting a recurve kit in it to
help this.

4) No hot air out of the heater and no air coming out of the dash vents.
My father told me this is due to a door not opening on the heater box
due to a part that opens the door.  He cannot remember the name of the
part.  The AC comes out the floor and the defroster ducts, defroster
works (with cold air coming out the vents)

That's about all the questions I have now.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr.

PS. Saw a sad sight today, somebody owns a '79 Delta royale 2dr about 2
miles away from me, pretty tattred, it's been turned into a demolition
derby car (I thought I saw the gas tank filler sticking out where the
rear window used to be.  Had no tail lights and its front wheels were on
a trailer.

:(

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 02:12:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Starman774@aol.com
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

I would like to become a member and my email address is starman774, thank
you.  I own a '70 cutlass supreme.

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:01:23 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Compression increase, how to....

	I'd like to know how to increase the compression on my '81 Delta 88 307
stock.  I read once that heads from certain engines will do that.  If heads
will do it, what heads would work.  Since I am planing to get rid of this
motor soon, this would have to be a used part, so that I can afford it.  If
the compression is increased any other way, how is it done.   What kind of
power increase could I expect.  I think that the engine now puts of 150hp
and 225f/pound tourque.  Thanks in advance.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3 
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 01:57:32 -0700
From: beast <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: MUFFLERS - Dynomax

I just put a Walker Dynomax on my '75 Delta 88 (455) running 2 1/2 inch
plumbing and it sounds great, not loud but make sure if you run a cat to
use a straight-thru hi-performance cat, that will help keep the
decibel's in-line with minimal effect on horsepower and satisfy the smog
laws anywhere. I have the same system on my Dodge 600 and it really
improved the performance.

Bruce Camilli
Hawthorne, CA

1985 Dodge 600 Conv.
1994 Honda Civic Hatchback Si with the Vtec Aluminum Engine
1986 Honda 700 Interceptor
1996 Harley Davidson Custom FatBoy
1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale Conv.

James Thingwold wrote:

> Erick - did you notice how he *overlooked* how LOUD these Walker's
> would
> be?  I think he's trying to avoid the question.  My ex's Lincoln with
> a BB
> F*rd has the 3 chamber Flowmasters and I thought it sounded nice (not
> overly loud unless he got on it).  Then again, I'm not the best expert
> to
> ask as to what is considered LOUD *grin*.
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
>
> My cars & their alias'
> '64 Cutlass (Ruby)
> '66 Toronado (LA Woman)
> '67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
> '69 Toronado (Toro II)
> '72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
> Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
> Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:34:34 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Window questions

 Chris,

I believe that Joe is saying that it is definite that the doors won't
interchange.  My mention was of the inner workings.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Bill,
>
>>  I believe that you can transfer the power windows though.
>
>Now I am really confused.  Joe Padavano says that it won't work and
>you say they will.  Has anyone attempted to swap from crank windows
>to power windows between SC and HTs (I know this is a long shot)?
>
>Please let me know.
>
>Chris Sparks
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 05:46:37 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: SSI

At 10:39 PM 9/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Sorry for a late response I had a swamp meet 
>
>I'ld like $250.00 Canadian
>
>Bob
>
>----------
>> From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: SSI
>> Date: Wednesday, September 03, 1997 11:51 PM
>> 
>> How much are you asking for these?  I've got a set of 5 SSII wheels but
>I'd
>> prefer the SSI.
>> 
>> 
>> Lisa Madsen
>> Anaheim, CA
>> 
>> My cars & their alias'
>> '66 Toronado (LA Woman)
>> '67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
>> '69 Toronado (Toro II)
>> '72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>> 
>> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>> 
>> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>> 
>> Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>> Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>
>Sorry, I've already sold the SSI's. 
Al Barlow
Thomaston, Maine

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:51:21 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Questions

 Joe,

I was guessing at my answer to everyone.  Certainly,  Joe must be correct.
I do know that the door locking mechanisms are different, but I supposed
that the window mechanisms might be similar even w/the vent windows on the
coupe & lacking on the '69 up hardtops.  I hope that I didn't mislead anyone
to drastic mistakes.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>
> I believe that you can transfer the power windows though.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>     Pretty sure you can't, Bill.  I checked in the parts book a while back
>     when Chris first asked, and while the hardtop and convertible window
>     regulators are the same, the sport coupe uses different parts.  A
>     further check of the illustrations (and granted, these are somewhat
>     generic) shows a very different setup between the sport coupe's framed
>     windows and the hardtop/convert frameless units.  Apparently, the
>     frameless design requires significantly more "stuff" down inside the
>     door/quarter to guide the glass and keep it aligned.  I'd always
>     wondered why the sport coupes were lighter (and cheaper) than the
>     hardtops; apparently this added complexity in the window regulator is
>     at least part of the reason.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>     66 442
>     68 W-30
>     69 H/O
>     70 W-30
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 05:55:25 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Parts wanted

On Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:13:17 -0400 Nick <naugens@exis.net> writes:
>Am looking for right headlight bezel for 71 442.  Also need green 
>plastic
>steering wheel with standard padded center for same.  Anyone know of 
>their
>availability in the Norfolk, Va. area?
>
>Nick
>
>71 442
>71 442-W30
>
There are other parts people in the Tidewater area, Ray Hauser, Hauser
Automotive(a really great guy to know both personally and
professionally!!!), Va. Beach and Ed Bittner in Portsmouth(399-1209)

Rob Turner
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 03:10:50 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Overhauling 455...  Am I crazy?

Jeremy Enos wrote:

> Here it is... not much to look at for some, but I love this car!
> http://www.students.uiuc.edu/%7Ej-enos/olds.html

I know why you love it so much.  It has got to be the skirts! :-)

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 03:27:35 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Bogging? (Second time sent)

Hi all, 

When I drive to work in the morning and my 82 DRB is basically cold,
when I accelerated in "D" the car sort of bogs down as if it has no
power.  If I drive the car, like I normally do, like a stick and shift
from 1 to 2 to 3 myself I don't get that bog.  Any clues?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:06:03 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: MUFFLERS

> I need some advice on mufflers.  A couple of months ago I put a couple of
>Flowtech Terminators on my VC and it sounded OK.  I recently replaced the
>tired old stock 455 with a rebuilt one and the car is now LOUD.  The
>current engine is a 455 with 9.5 compression, a Mondello 20-22 cam and an
>Edelbrock Performer intake.  The cam and/or compression increase really
>bumped the decibels at the other end.  Now the neighbors are up in arms
>when I warm it up at 7 am to go to work and, more importantly, my financial
>expert is not happy with the loudness.

I have the 3 chamber Flowmasters, 2.5in heavy gauge exhaust, 3902 Hooker
headers, and a cam very similar to yours.  Is it loud?  Not so much loud as
deep in tone.  With their house windows open I'm sure the neighbors can hear
it.  But they've never said anything to me.  I had a Cutlass with Dynomax
Turbos mufflers and headers that was quieter but that entire exhaust system was
not near the quality (or power) of what I have now.  Whatever....I think the
Flowmaster product is great, very heavy duty, not too loud and seems to
delivery great power, especially about 3krpm.  But then my neighbors don't seem
as picky as yours....

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 97 09:32:27 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds Cruise Nite 9/13 - TIME 5-9pm + movie listing

OOOOPS !  Forgot to ever put the times !
It's from 5-9pm

The weather is suppose to be great, but bring a jacket to keep off the 
chill.  There is a double feature playing at the drive-in and this coming 
weekend its "Hercules" and "George of the Jungle" so BRING THE KIDS!  Also 
if you're staying for the movies, bring lawn chairs and park your butt in 
front of your car for a good view.  Those in the know bring a pickup and 
sit in the bed w/  a reclining lawn chair or air mattress

This is the last time I'll send this to save everyone's bandwidth

Saturday September 13, 1997
=========================================================================== 
1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE. 
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club, newest chapter of OCA. At The Big 
M Restaurant/Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22, Churchville, MD. 
(Between Bel Air & Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All years and 
condition Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer queens. Free 
goodie bag to first 50 Oldsmobile through the gate. Open to the public. 
Other vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games, 50/50 
drawing. Shaded picnic tables and good old fashion drive-in food available. 
Across the street is miniature golf course, batting cages, video games, 
driving range and a soft ice cream cone joint.  Definitely a family kind of 
place.  From 5-9pm



Info: 
Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381   e-mail: brad442@erols.com Club Web Link 
at http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370.   

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------  
 ---  
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club, Newest Chapter of OCA 
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ 
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:59:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: dualgate question

Thanks Mike! I'll look into that!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: dualgate question

Thanks for the information!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:26:49 -0600
From: David Jenkins <David@vinca.com>
Subject: 1966 Cutlass Convertible FS

$700 Gets the following:

Midnight Blue with Light Blue interior -
Buckets
Medium Blue top
All hub caps in good condition
Automatic Trans on the column
330 out of car
Rust in rear quarters
Dent in Front Left fender - Easily
Repairable
Car is complete with all parts. 
Interior needs carpet and seat covers. 
Dash still good.  Glass in car good. 
Exterior needs paint and is faded.

I would prefer to sell the car whole to
an Olds aficianado but will part out.

Dave Jenkins in Utah

 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 10:02:59 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

> Would this work:  Placing 2x4's on the roof, hood and trunk, and placing
> the tarp across them (but leaving it loose)?

I don't think I'd want to put wood (or any other organic material)
between the cover and the car. It'll trap moisture, begin to rot,
and the little buggies will move in real soon. Take the cover off
after a few weeks or months have gone by and you may find a whole
new neighborhood has sprung up under there. Depends on your local
climate, of course, but I would use plastic pieces as spacers if
possible. Just my $.02...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:10:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Head Bolt Question

I have a question for this list about head bolts.  What do you do if a 
motor has head bolts that are other than the regular head bolts? What
if say someone where using regular Grade 8 bolts? and if the decision
were made to change them out to a set of ARPs or something what 
would be the proper procedure?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:20:05 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

I also would like to add that it is not good to leave the car primed.
Primer is not  good for protecting the metal without some type of paint
over it. It will not protect it from moisture for very long setting
outside.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the ... Past  

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Andrew C. Green [SMTP:acg@dlogics.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:03 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

	> Would this work:  Placing 2x4's on the roof, hood and trunk,
and placing
	> the tarp across them (but leaving it loose)?

	I don't think I'd want to put wood (or any other organic
material)
	between the cover and the car. It'll trap moisture, begin to
rot,
	and the little buggies will move in real soon. Take the cover
off
	after a few weeks or months have gone by and you may find a
whole
	new neighborhood has sprung up under there. Depends on your
local
	climate, of course, but I would use plastic pieces as spacers if
	possible. Just my $.02...

	Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
	Datalogics, Inc.
	101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
	Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:41:17 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: RE: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

Speaking of storing your car with strange concoctions. Did you see that 1942
Olds at Lansing.  The guy stored his car by completely covering it in
creosote .  There was still some of it around the windows - strange-.

I heard that Texans cover there cars with left over chili and let it harden
to protect it. Just something I heard.

Mike
66 442
70 442
70 442 W30
71 442 Convt

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:47:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

In a message dated 97-09-08 11:14:58 EDT, you write:
<< 
 A rallye 350 was not a w31. A w31 had 350,325 horse where as the rallye had
a
 350,310 horse. Yes, the rallye had dual exhausts and it had a milder cam.
All
 the rallye was was an insurance beater. It was designed to look like a
racey,
 sporty kind of car, and to keep up with the roadr*nner, or better known as
 roadkill! Pretty much all it was was stripes, bright yellow paint and a olds
 rocket v8. I have a w31 right now and I am looking at a rallye. They are
 pretty nice and rare, sporty looking cars! I hope that this had answered
your
 questions!
  >>

I had a Rallye 350 back in about 82 that had a 350 with OAI hood, special
exhaust manifolds, aluminum intake, what felt like a slightly looser torque
convertor, Hurst Dual Gate, and I later found out a w-27 rear.   This car ran
very hard for a 350, would smoke street tires thru 1 1/2 gears had no problem

holding its own with 442s, GTOs and SS396s.. Someone at the time told me
it was a w31, could this be true?....TIM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:50:33 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Head Bolt Question

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I have a question for this list about head bolts.  What do you do if a
> motor has head bolts that are other than the regular head bolts? What
> if say someone where using regular Grade 8 bolts? and if the decision
> were made to change them out to a set of ARPs or something what
> would be the proper procedure?

Hmmm, that's a new one for me.  I would imagine they would keep the head
on, but the unique thing about the original headbolts is the shank and
the under-side of the bolt-head area were specially designed to fit
correctly (read flat) and to have as much surface area pulling the head
and block together tightly.  Don't you think Oldsmobile would have used
regular grade 8 bolts if they could get away with it?  Regular grade 8
bolts, which may work, but never recommended, aren't made correctly for
this operation.  Too much torque loading on one side of the bolt could
happen.  Not good. Could cause stress cracking, and eventual failure,
not to mention erroneous torque readings.  To change them out to ARPs,
buy the kit.  They have them available.  They come with special
flat-milled washers for true torque loading, and they look cool too,
while doing what they are supposed to do.  Just remember to LIGHTLY oil
the threads and where the bolt and washer meet when torquing.  I've used
ARP before, and they work just fine.  If you are tight for bucks, you
may even still be able to get them at the GM dealer.  If you HAVE to use
used ones, go to a junkyard and see if you can get them.  Just make sure
they aren't rusted/cracked, etc.

2 cents,

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:00:43 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

It is reported that 7 Rallye's were equipped with the W31 package. I have never
seen a documented one, but supposedly they made some.  If Oldsmobile would have
kept their build sheets and made them available like Pontiac does today. There
would be lots of people kicking themselves over cars they sold or fakes they
still have.

Mike
66 442
70 442
70 442 W30
71 442 Convt

________________________________________________________________________________


I had a Rallye 350 back in about 82 that had a 350 with OAI hood, special
exhaust manifolds, aluminum intake, what felt like a slightly looser torque
convertor, Hurst Dual Gate, and I later found out a w-27 rear.   This car ran
very hard for a 350, would smoke street tires thru 1 1/2 gears had no problem

holding its own with 442s, GTOs and SS396s.. Someone at the time told me
it was a w31, could this be true?....TIM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:27:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

I'm not sure. I don't know of any w31's being rallye350's but I imagine that
it is possible!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 09:28:35 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Bogging? (Second time sent)

So either that DRB is a Delta Royale Brougham, or you're complaining that
your Olds Drag Racing Block runs bad when it's cold.  If it's the latter,
you'll get no sympathy from me :-)

Other than the snide comments, I don't have any advice for you.  In my
experiece poor running when cold can usually be attributed to a bad
primary or secondary vacuum break (assuming the choke is adjusted
correctly).  What manually shifting gears would have to do with that I
don't know.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

mrada wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> When I drive to work in the morning and my 82 DRB is basically cold,

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:40:40 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: W31

Olds Folks,
	I to remember reading an old article that mentioned a handful of Ralleye
350 cars had the W31 motor. Have never seen one, but have heard stories of
one
in Philadelphia area 20 years ago.

				The General

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:10:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re:  69 h/o conv

Mike evans was wondering about the 69 convert.   It's owned by Kelly Evams of
Iowa and was Lindas Unit at one time...pretty cool huh?   Steve

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:13:37 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Ashburn passes away

Friends,
	Richie Ashburn, member of the Phillies broadcast team, former Phillie
Cub, and Met, and Hall of Famer passed away at the age of 70 late last
night.
Mr. Ashburn began his playing career in 48' and has been a broadcaster
since
63'.

	Ironically, Mr. Ashburn played his final game and did his final broadcast
in New York City. He will be sorely missed.

	Thank you for letting me use this space on this non Olds message.

				The General

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:38:13 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: MUFFLERS

Currently I have the Hush-Thrush Turbo 400 mufflers. Not loud at all on
start up. Although my wife does hear me driving around the block,
especially when heavy on the pedal. I  know, I know, it's cheap, but
exactly, it's cheap. They have lasted for the past 5 years with very
moderate driving. Actually not much driving at all, that's the problem,
I got to drive it some more!

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Todd Morris[SMTP:toddmorr@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: 	Tuesday, September 09, 1997 9:06 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: MUFFLERS
> 
> I have the 3 chamber Flowmasters, 2.5in heavy gauge exhaust, 3902
> Hooker
> headers, and a cam very similar to yours.  Is it loud?  Not so much
> loud as
> deep in tone.  With their house windows open I'm sure the neighbors
> can hear
> it.  But they've never said anything to me.  I had a Cutlass with
> Dynomax
> Turbos mufflers and headers that was quieter but that entire exhaust
> system was
> not near the quality (or power) of what I have now.  Whatever....I
> think the
> Flowmaster product is great, very heavy duty, not too loud and seems
> to
> delivery great power, especially about 3krpm.  But then my neighbors
> don't seem
> as picky as yours....
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 12:49:39 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Performance information????

David Jennings wrote:
> 
> Is there a magazine about performance Oldsmobiles? 

Sorry, I'm afraid you're currently on it ;)  There was an "Oldsmobile in
Action" series of mags out a number of years ago, I've got Vol.1, Tom
Stoner (I think) had the same for sale awhile back.  Think he had Vol.
2, also?  Heard rumors of a Volume 3, but I don't think they were ever
proven to be in existance.

I've seen Chevy, Ford,
> Mopar and Pontiac magazines,
All with detailed articles on how to make said vehicles cool. 
 but none for Olds.
Don't need such articles, coolness is a bred in factor.  :)

It would really be nice to see some more Olds in print though.  That's
for sure.
 
> Trying to decide what late '60's/early 70's model to purchase. Took my wife
> of 18 years on our first date in a 70 Supreme. Nostalgia reigns.
How true.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine tuning(read me)

the problem is the distributer!  there is no vaccum so the advance thinks the
engine is going faster than it actually is.  the timing is so far advanced
that the gas never gets a chance to burn.  this is the only other thing i can
think of.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403
(high school student)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:34:52 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: rear ends

Thanks to Kevin Hoopingarner, I now have my 10 bolt 71/72 posi rear end.
Thanks Kevin. I managed to open it up and look inside. Definitely a
limited slip. I wanted to replace the axle bearings and I saw an episode
of ShadeTree Mechanic and they removed c-clips to remove the axles. Well
this diff had no c-clips. Am I correct? I think the axles are pressed
in. Can someone confirm this?

Second my 72 chassis manual lists all the spec's for the axle ratios and
how many teeth the ring is supposed to have. Well, this diff has 2.73
ratio, that  means that the ring gear has 41 teeth and the pinion gear
has 15. Now the manual says that the 3.42 ratio uses a 41 ring gear
also. If I change the pinion gear to a 12 tooth and keep my 41 ring gear
will it work? 


Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:55:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: rear ends

Fernando, 3 cheers for a great question. I have the same one. 

One item which may help. Apparently rear end gears take on a "set" when they
are run with one another. My understanding is that a particular ring gear
will sort of, uh, mate so to speak with a pinion gear. If true, using a new
pinion might upset this balance, using a different, used one seems like it 
really would. 

I hope there are others on the list with a clearer understanding than me of 
these things. 

I'll be tuned in to those brighter minds...
cf

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 12:57:50 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: '70 Toro GT for sale

Found a Toro GT for sale locally, here’s the ad:

’70 Oldsmobile Toronado GT.  Only 1000 made.  8 track, dual exhaust, 455
V-8, 2-door, auto, FWD [as opposed to those 350 powered 4-door manual
RWD Toros??] PS, PB, PW, PL, AC, AM/FM, tilt.  Two owners.  $2400.
509-466-2277, Spokane Washington.

This is the same car I saw about two months ago and let slip.  I’m not
sure I can afford it now, so I thought I’d post here and see if anyone
was interested.  I didn’t look too close when I saw it, but I can
remember it was solid, no major rust or dents.  Quite used, lots of
scratches and little things here and there.   The guy selling it says he
thinks the previous owner swapped out the original block for a later
455.  He's sure the tranny is original.  The head and block ID’s were
too covered in grease to see and I was in work clothes and in no
position to clean ‘em off.  I think it was light brown in color.  If
you're serious I can go look at it closer.

I'm still tempted to go take out a loan and make this my winter car. . .

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 20:13:58 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Ashburn passes away

Ashburn was a great player and a real plus for the Phils' broadcast team.  As 
I recall, he hit .306 in the Mets' first 40-120 season in 1962. I taped a 
couple of Phils games in '63 from the radio (WFIL) during Ashburn's first year 
as a color commentator. I'll have to pull out the old reel-to-reel and listen 
once again ... join the Phils special train coming down from Upper Darby to 
Connie Mack for the big game against Koufax and the Dodgers ...

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From: 	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Patton
Sent: 	Tuesday, September 09, 1997 11:13 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Ashburn passes away

Friends,
	Richie Ashburn, member of the Phillies broadcast team, former Phillie
Cub, and Met, and Hall of Famer passed away at the age of 70 late last
night.
Mr. Ashburn began his playing career in 48' and has been a broadcaster
since
63'.

	Ironically, Mr. Ashburn played his final game and did his final broadcast
in New York City. He will be sorely missed.

	Thank you for letting me use this space on this non Olds message.

				The General

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:14:46 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: rear ends

Chris Fair wrote:
> 
> Fernando, 3 cheers for a great question. I have the same one.
> 
> One item which may help. Apparently rear end gears take on a "set" when they
> are run with one another. My understanding is that a particular ring gear
> will sort of, uh, mate so to speak with a pinion gear. If true, using a new
> pinion might upset this balance, using a different, used one seems like it
> really would.
> 
> I hope there are others on the list with a clearer understanding than me of
> these things.
> 
> I'll be tuned in to those brighter minds...
> cf


E-mail Randy's ring and pinion service at mail@ring-pinion.com

web URL    http://www.ring-pinion.com

This guy has a faq and everything at his rear end web page. (NO! Not HIS
rear end!)

Just a thought.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:22:11 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: BB Edelbrock Heads?

Hi all,

Before I blow a BIG wad of cash on a set of Batten Heads, I was wondering
what anyone's heard anything else recently about Edelbrock's plans for
making aluminum heads for our beasts of choice?  On a related note, does
anyone know what the largest valves Batten (or Edelbrock for that matter)
will let you use? These iddy-bitty (for all intents and purposes,
small-block caliber) valves we're forced to use on our (even modified) BB
heads are beginning to really get me steamed.

TIA!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Hoilday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 04:47:36 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: I need a nipple!

Now if the subject title to this post got anyone's heart pumping 
faster, your as dirty-minded as I am!  ;)

But seriously, as I posted before; I have a W-455 aluminum intake.  The 
current vacuum set-up is wrong and I what to right it.  I need a 1/2" 
steel, "tap-in" hose nipple.  This is the nipple that the PCV valve 
hose is connected to, (opposite the carb).  Currently, my intake has a 
plug, (marked 1/2"), in the hole where the nipple is suppose to be. 
COME ON...keep clean thoughts.

Does anyone have or know where I can get this part?

Thanks in advance!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 05:00:31 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

If any of you out there have a W-455 aluminum intake, please help.  If 
your vacuum lines are run correctly, the PCV valve/hose should run from 
the base of the carb, to a hose nipple on the front of the intake.  
(This "nipple" is just behind and to the left of the thermostat 
housing.)

MY QUESTION(S):

Does this "hose nipple" looked tapped in or threaded in?

How far does it stick out of the intake?

I'm trying to keep everything *stock*.  Man!  Is this frustrating!  :(
As mentioned in my previous post, I desperately need to find this 
part!!!

Thanks in advance.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 05:06:52 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Plastic Chrome

Thanks for this info Jim!  Hopefully they can do door panels?!?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

==========================================================================
 Mr G's is in Fort Wayne TX. Their number is (817) 831-3501. Their
>services are very good and timely. 
>
>Jim Chermack
>C&M Classic Parts
>(757) 474-0869
>

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 05:19:47 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: funny looking bracket

OK everyone, I finally found my allusive, hard-to-find cruise control 
servo. (at the short-lived and sorely missed Olds show in Lansing)  

Now after looking in the service manual, low and behold there's yet 
another part I need for it! ARHHHHHHH!

Don't know what it's called but I'll try to explain.  The service 
manual shows a small bracket, (bracket A), that's bolted to the intake 
by two bolts. The servo connecting rod has another small kind of "L" 
bracket at the very end of it, (bracket B).  Which is held in place by 
a "pin". This "L" bracket,(bracket B), connects to the bracket that's 
on the intake, (bracket A).  This is the part I need, bracket A!

Now that I have everyone totally confused, I ask that someone please 
have this part!

Thanks for any help to locate this little, but necessary cruise control 
part!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:09:12 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

RC,

I have several W-455 intakes 70 & 71-72.  I cant believe yours doesnt have it 
in it already?  I dont think I would drill your intake.  The hole goes 
all the way thru from top to bottom.  If you must though, the nipple looks
tapped in.  When I get home Ill measure the exact length sticking out for
you.  I have never seen one not drilled before.  What is the casting date
on the bottom of the intake?  I have heard rumors of an after market takeoff
of the intake back in the 70's.  They supposedly didnt have casting dates on
the bottom and or didnt have the "W" winters logo.

Mike
66 442
70 442
70 442 w30
71 442 Convt


MY QUESTION(S):

Does this "hose nipple" looked tapped in or threaded in?

How far does it stick out of the intake?

I'm trying to keep everything *stock*.  Man!  Is this frustrating!  :(
As mentioned in my previous post, I desperately need to find this 
part!!!

Thanks in advance.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.


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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:06:26 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?

> >         The other day I was in the local Barns and Noble book store
> > thumbing through some of their automotive section when I found a book
> > published by Cars and Parts magazine about some of the salvage yards in
> > the Western U.S.  I was surprised (in a really good way) to find a whole
> > bunch of info on yards in Western Montana
> 
> Some members had heard rumors of the place, but no one had ever been
> able to find it or even confirm its existance, if it's the same one I
> remember hearing about, anyway.  Wait, maybe that one was in
> Washington.  It's been a while, I just can't remember anymore.  Hmm... 
> If you make it there, good luck and happy hunting!  :)

	Yea, I remember hearing the same rumors six months or so back...I
don't remember either.  This one is for real though, and from the shots in
teh book, it looked HUGE!  When I do get up there I'll be sure to bring
someone with a camera.  
				
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:09:27 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Junk Yard listings

> <<The other day I was in the local Barns and Noble book store
> thumbing through some of their automotive section when I found a book
> published by Cars and Parts magazine about some of the salvage yards in
> the Western U.S.  >>
> 
> Do you know if there is a similar publication for other parts of the US???

	I don't know for sure, but I suspect there are.  In the begining
of the book, the author sounded like this was at least the second book of
this type they've done.  If I have any cash left after paying the bills, I
might go and pick that book up, and if I do I'll send the publishers
number to you guys.  That book also had a few yards in other parts of the
country, but not much.
	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:11:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Quadra Qs...

> If you are interested in changing WOT metering, it is easier to try
> substituting different secondary metering rods.  The primaries account for
> less than 50% of the total mixture delivery under these conditions.  If
> the primary jets are too big, this would show up under throttle conditions
> (< 2/3rds?) where only the primary throttle valves are open, and the
> engine is under sufficient load such that the power system would be close
> to fully activated.  I suppose it would be possible to use a slightly
> looser power piston spring to delay the onset of the power system to
> enhance fuel economy.

	I'll probibly get a few other pairs of secondary rods from the
junkyard so I can experiment with them and see what happens.  The thing
goes pretty good, but I think I can squeeze a few more horses through
tuning.  Thanks for the tips!
	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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