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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, August 20 1997      Volume 01 : Number 810



Cam recommendation
Re: suspension on a delta 88
Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: California shows
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
Re: UNBOUNCE: VIN Info
Re: Where are you?
Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: Left to bring up the rear.....
Re: Don''t Give Up
Got whooped!
RE: Don''t Give Up
Re: Don''t Give Up
RE: Left to bring up the rear.....
RE: Olds extravaganza
RE: opinions on tires?
Re: Where are you?
Questions about Build Sheets again....
Re: suspension on a delta 88
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: Cleaning Mag Wheels
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
Re: suspension on a delta 88
Re: People gone.
Re: Cam recommendation
Re: GUAGEDONE
Re: GUAGEDONE
RE: opinions on tires?
RE: Painting Experiences -  LONG
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: suspension on a delta 88
Re: opinions on tires?
1970 Cutlass aluminum rear end
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: Painting Experiences -  LONG
Re: 1/4 mile times
CA Smog Bill SB-42
How to get instructions on guage swap (Re: GuageHelp)
Instructions for install. of console in 80's Cutlass... an offer....
RE: Painting Experiences -  LONG
Re: GuageHelp
Re: 67 Cutlass purchase
Intake clearance
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
(no subject)
Re: GuageHelp
RE: Painting Experiences
Build Sheets
Re: Olds extravaganza - Media
Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
Re: Build Sheets

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:26:14 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Cam recommendation

I am considering swapping a cam in a 350 Rocket.  What would be a good
low rpm high torque cam that wakes up the 350?  I am not going to be
running hard or at high rpm, probably never see over 4000 unless it is
an extreme situation.

What do Olds 350s like?  Single pattern, Dual, what sort of lobe
centerline and overlap, I am taking a stab at 252 total duration and
190ish at .050.  What would be a decent lift for stock heads?  I may
pocket port and gasket match, but that is all.

I know the 307's came with .370ish intake lift and .395ish exhuast, the
85 442 came with .440/.440.  I was thinking that if a small valved 307
with a decent cam can make 180 hp, almost what a 403 made, (Ok, by the
book hp), why can't I do the same treatment to a 350 and make it 220 hp
with no other mods.  Unless there is something else in the 442's 307
that makes that extra 40 hp.  The 85 Olds Service manual does not
indicate any other valve size, just hydraulic lifters (not roller) for
the HO 307.  (Also it is missing the full floating wrist pins the the
"Y" 307's had for that matter)
I know they had a different carb, a fancy looking air cleaner lid and a
special ECM program.

If anyone has any recommendations, please let me know, I may just keep
the 350 in the Cutlass for a long time.  I want it to be a great daily
driver, despite the 2.14 gears.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:13:49 -0400
From: dfsval@maracaibo.dowell.slb.com (Valiant  Mud's Lab)
Subject: Re: suspension on a delta 88

hi few!

was part of my previous message troncated (called delta 88 IV/rear
suspension)?
all the replies i got except one from dan lacey, were about people gooing
to Lansing.what about my suspension? this is what i care about at the
moment!!$ª@!
:=) :) :)
no, seriously, it would help.
i'm stuck on an oilrig offshore venezuela. i'm trying to get as much
information prior to going back home next week. then no more internet.
(hey, John P., i'm like you. no internet at home, but TV, radio, phone/fax
and indoor plumbing)

thank you again.

alain lachatre

P.S.: wish I was on the road. hope they'll post some pictures when they
come back. :)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:18:01 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-08-19 20:05:19 EDT, you write:
>
> << I am wondering does anyone know how many people are currently subscribed
>  to this
>  list?  Just curious.
>   >>
> Hey Chris I suppose theres a simple way to find out how many
> are subscribed...........I even start it off........I'm .."one".......TIM...
>  ;-)

I guess Greg will be able to answer that one when he gets back.

Later....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:22:51 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: California shows

Hi Lisa,

> No, if I recall right - you thought Riverside was too far to drive.  Julian
> is even farther.  I guess it all comes down to having to travel to
> participate around here - most of our members are in the Ventura locale &
> go all over for our shows.
>
> Again - We'd gladly welcome you - Come on Down!

Well let me know when shows come up.  Riverside is a lot better,
distance-wise,
than Julian.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:24:54 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

Brian Kennedy wrote:
>
> I am runnig a MSD-6AL in my 85 Cutlass outfitted with a 455

Ignorance time!  What is this MSD... ?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:34:24 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: VIN Info

Oh Gawd, none of that "when the cats away the mice will play" stuff, Mike?
Sigh.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:28:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

>Don Sowers
>
Hmmm, and who are you hiding from?

I just changed my signature to include where I'm from - and its a good idea.
Saves that follow up post "where are you located"....!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:31:09 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

>( In need of bigger garage!! - six or seven wide would work)

Your not the only one!  Welcome - my first Olds was a '67 C/S convert.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:37:49 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Left to bring up the rear.....

>We can still have a good time here!!

Maybe Mike can regale us with some Squeegee tales now that Andy is back on
the Digest.........


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:39:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

I care - I just went out to my *new* '69 Toro and discovered that the tag
on the trans that was the ONLY way to tell if it has the W34 option is
apparently from another year car.  Which means - yes - there is no way to
tell if it was a W34 unless I find my build sheet (which in the history of
all the cars I've had I've never searched & found!!)

So there - do you feel any better?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:31:47 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Got whooped!

Hi all,

Yesterday I was beaten pretty badly by a toyota supra, 1980's vintange.
Of course I was driving the 82 DRB.  Did something a little stupid which
I hope doesn't kill my car.  I normally drive the gears instead of
letting Mr. Automatic do it for me.  I had engine up to 70 mph in
second which I panic-strickenly (word?) shifted to third.  I don't
normally push a car to its limit like this.  I hope I didn't screw up
my tranny.  Now if I were driving the 4-4-2, I would have given the
toyota "such a beaten".  Oh well, ya can't win 'em all.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:23:16 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Don''t Give Up

Hey Steve,
how about scanning the build sheet and sending it to Bryceman to
put in on the Olds web page. I for one  would love to see what a W30
build sheet looks like. BTW congratulations I know the feeling...

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: CarrDuff@aol.com[SMTP:CarrDuff@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 9:30 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Don''t Give Up
>
> To whoever is left on the list,
>
> I just had given up all hope of documenting the 71 442 W30 Conv. I am
> working
> on when I stumbled across the original build sheet with the magical
> option
> call out of "W30"
>
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:23:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

In a message dated 97-08-20 08:07:41 EDT, you write:

<< So there - do you feel any better?


 Lisa Madsen
 Anaheim, CA >>


I do feel pretty good right now.  Not that I am building this car to sell,
but you never know what's going to happen.  Some people want documentation to
avoid the "Fake", I think there was just a discussion on the list about this
!

Anyway, I had really just given up finding any original documentation when
this thing jumped out and bit me on the hand.  It's nice to know for sure
that you have the real McCoy.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E Pennsylvania

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:28:29 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Left to bring up the rear.....

O.k....so what do we do now....?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Mike Rothe[SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 9:11 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Left to bring up the rear.....
>
> Well, here we are, most of the others have packed up and gone to the
> front and left us unfortunate ones here to fend for ourselves.  I do
> believe, however, there is still enough talent left on the list while
> others are gone to be able to handle most anything that comes up.  I
> will, as always, try to help out when I can.  It's like when the boys
> go
> off to war, some of us have to stay at the homefront to keep things in
> order till they get back.  At least if we run into a real stumper, we
> can always repost next week when the masses return.
>
> With that said, I hope that everyone going to Lansing has a safe trip,
> has a great time, and brings back many stories and experiences to
> share.  I know I'll be wincing though, hearing about the good time I,
> and many others here, have missed.  For those living in or near
> Lansing,
> you get the best of both worlds.(Hint: Keep us informed!)
>
> Here's to the homefront, and let's keep the list active, if possible.
> We can still have a good time here!!
>
> Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:38:26 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Olds extravaganza

I wonder if Muscle Car Magazine or Hot Rod TV will cover the event. Hot
Rod TV last weekend feature the Woodward Dream Cruise. If so we won't
see it for a while.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: mrada[SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 9:13 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds extravaganza
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know of any media coverage on the events in Lansing?  I
> haven't seen anything on TV about anythings Olds-related, well except
> for the Intrigue...
>
> Let me know if anyone knows of any scheduled broadcasts.
>
> Chris Sparks
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:04:04 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: opinions on tires?

> ----------
> From: Andrew C. Green[SMTP:acg@dlogics.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 4:28 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: opinions on tires?
>
> I had these tires, this size, on the old '72 LeMans. They were
> fine for many years of low-mileage driving in all weather, but...
> I used the same brand on the '82 Cutlass, a less-radical aspect
> ratio and size like 205-70/R14 or similar, and had several problems
> with 'em. In fact, three of the four ended up getting replaced under
> either the local Montgomery Ward road hazard warranty or the BFG
> factory warranty at different times due to shifted belts (twice)
> and a deep tread cut.
>
> I like the tires, but would recommend splurging the extra $5 or so
> per tire for the road hazard warranty a lot of stores offer.
>
This is news to me. I purchased my set of 4 in 1989-90 and so far
haven't noticed anything with them. Mind you this car sees hardly any
mileage but non the less I will take into account your experiences and
keep and extra eye on them. As for warranty I can't remember. I bought
them at the Price Club in Detroit. Had to smuggle them into Canada, but
ended up getting nabbed with two and was ordered to pay double duty on
two. Therefore, I ended up paying duty on all 4. Still were cheaper than
if I bought them here in Canada. I can't believe how much their price
has dropped. I still think I would go with this tire if I had to replace
them.


Thanks John for that info. I decided on the 235P60R14 because I thought
that the 245P were too large. In fact the 235P are perfect and cause no
rubbing up front. As for the rim, it will take the 245P for the extra
wide look but not really necessary.


> Tom Lentz wrote:
My major emphasis was *cheap*.  I haven't priced sandblasting around
here, but I'd bet it ran at least $50 for the four wheels, maybe $100??
Yes, that would be much simpler and quicker too.  It took a few hours
and a lot of elbow grease to do all four wheels with the paint stripper
and wire wheel, but it cost me about $4 for the wheel and $3 for the
stripper.

Don't want to rub it in Tom, I got my rims sandblasted at a place I used
to work at, free. They came out spotless, but I'm sure yours turned out
just as  good. Actually I got many things sandblasted, must have been
during one of my sandblasting binges. Did I mention I just finished
sandblasting a pair of rust rear boxed control arms. They came out brand
new.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics
Sandblasting Maniac

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:11:43 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> >Don Sowers
> >
> Hmmm, and who are you hiding from?
>
> I just changed my signature to include where I'm from - and its a good idea.
> Saves that follow up post "where are you located"....!
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
>
> '66 Toronado
> '67 Delta 88 Custom
> '69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
> '72 Vista Cruiser
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
Location was in the middle of the text, central Kentucky (Nicholasville
to be exact, about ten miles south of Lexington).  It would be easy to
find my home on the national weather map.  It's probably one of the few
areas that it hasn't rained on for a month and a half until yesterday.
The other side of town has had a couple of good waterings but not my
side.  Yard looked liked lunar landscape.  Even the weeds were brown and
laying down.

Don
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:07:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Questions about Build Sheets again....

Hi All,

The recent talk about finding build sheets makes me ask this question yet
again.  Has anyone found one in a later model Olds (ie 1990 or 1991)?  I've
been looking for the build sheet for my 1991 W-41 Calais.  I am quite sure it
is a real W-41(tag on radiator support shows W41 and so does the sticker on
the spare tire cover in the trunk) but I've been searching for the build
sheet and have been unsuccessful to date.

Two weeks ago while putting some new trim pieces on the doors(I'll post the
trials and tribulations of this at a later time) I decided, I had the car
torn apart, I might as well take the back seat out and look around under
there and every place I could reach.  All to no avail.  I've looked under the
bottom side of both seats. I haven't taken them out and pulled up the carpet
to look under there yet.  I waiting til my wife is out of town for that.  She
just about fainted when she saw what I had to do to put the trim pieces on
the doors!

Anyway, If anybody who has a W-40 or a W-41 out there that has found their
build sheet please, I beg you, tell me where!

Cecil
1991 W-41
Actually an OCA member now...OCAª29604

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:23:34 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: suspension on a delta 88

Valiant Mud's Lab wrote:
>
> hi few!
>
> was part of my previous message troncated (called delta 88 IV/rear
> suspension)?
> all the replies i got except one from dan lacey, were about people gooing
> to Lansing.what about my suspension? this is what i care about at the
> moment!!$ª@!
> :=) :) :)
> no, seriously, it would help.
> i'm stuck on an oilrig offshore venezuela. i'm trying to get as much
> information prior to going back home next week. then no more internet.
> (hey, John P., i'm like you. no internet at home, but TV, radio, phone/fax
> and indoor plumbing)
>
> thank you again.
>
> alain lachatre
>
> P.S.: wish I was on the road. hope they'll post some pictures when they
> come back. :)
Alain,

Can't help you on the Delta, but I've noticed several postings
referencing indoor plumbing lately.  I have an uncle who lives in south
central Ky that did not have indoor plumbing until the early sixties
when he moved out to a paved highway.  Until then he and my grandmother
lived on the old family farm which didn't have running water other than
someone running up the hillside with two 5 gallon buckets full when
needed.  Moving to the state road and haqving a well next to house was a
major improvement.  There are probably still areas like this in eastern
Ky today although thankfully they are disappearing.

Don
Nicholasville, Ky (yes it is flat around here and indoor facilities are
available for the housebroken, heh heh)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 06:36:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

"Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)"  wrote:
About these trim rings, I don't know what an original is supposed to
look  like (68-69 SSII)?

****************
I'll try to describe the trim ring. It's stainless steel, about 2"
wide in the 'dish' portion. That surface is staright (not rounded like
a Pontiac band).
The 'sides' (the part that rubs the curb) are flat but have a mild
step; sorta like this really bad Ascii diagram:

         |-----------
- ---------|

Ford 14 x 6 trim rings will work but look different. They have a
concave radius between the sides and the dish portion. I used to have
2 Ford bands on one side and 2 Olds bands on the other on my 69
Cutlass. No one ever knew (until now)
===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:02:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

Hi Steve,
Congrats on finding the build sheet for your car.  I'm amazed it was behind
the
seat back.  I would have thought the seat would have been a complete builtup
unit
before it was placed in the car.  Gee, maybe I should tear down the seats in
my
67' 442.  What do ya think?

Mark Berube
67' 442
Loganville, GA.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:02:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cleaning Mag Wheels

In a message dated 97-08-20 01:54:14 EDT, you write:

<< Need any tips available for cleaning my slotted mags for '66 Cutlass
convert.
 These mags have no nicks but have a residue build up.  These are Keystones
from
 the early '70's.  They would look great if I can get the original lustre
back to
 the wheels.  - - Any ideas?
 Dave Jenkins
 Orem, Utah
 '66 Cutlass Convert
   >>

Hi Dave just wondering what they are made of? Aluminum? or?    TIM

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:11:28 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

Proietto, Fernando [Ontario] wrote:
>
> Hey Steve,
>         how about scanning the build sheet and sending it to Bryceman to
> put in on the Olds web page. I for one  would love to see what a W30
> build sheet looks like. BTW congratulations I know the feeling...

I second that motion!  I have never seen a build sheet before.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:19:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

Hey Chris,
The MSD stands for "Multiple Spark Discharge".  The MSD-6AL is one of the
better models that also includes a built in rev limiter.
The idea behind msd is to fire the spark plug multiple times during the
compression
stroke rather than a single spark from the distributor.  Typically an MSD
ignition
will improve power to 3000 rpm, above that i'm told the effect is less
beneficial.
An MSD-6AL teamed with a good high output MSD blaster coil and HEI
distributor
is the hot ignition setup and is resonably priced.  You can buy a 6AL for
about
$150 and a blaster coil for $30 to $50 depending on the coil you buy.  Any
good
speed shop should have it or be able to get it.

Mark Berube
67' 442
Loganville, GA.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:40:32 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: suspension on a delta 88

>i'm stuck on an oilrig offshore venezuela.

Parallel parking must be a nightmare.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:48:21 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: People gone.

Lisa

 Don't give up as there are always to get more.  Of course, I don't have a
wife to contend with.  But then, you don't need one of those anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>As much as I'd like it to have been otherwise - I am indeed still here.
>Sigh.  Having just acquired Oldsmobile ª4 and having heard the "we look
>like a junkyard" saga (in part due to Olds ª5 the VC I'm parting out & the
>sickly new Toro on jackstands) I cannot picture coming home with more - for
>awhile at least :-)
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>'66 Toronado
>'67 Delta 88 Custom
>'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
>'72 Vista Cruiser
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 07:52:12 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Cam recommendation

Thomas Martin wrote:
> 85 442 came with .440/.440.  I was thinking that if a small valved 307
> with a decent cam can make 180 hp, almost what a 403 made, (Ok, by the
> book hp), why can't I do the same treatment to a 350 and make it 220 hp
> with no other mods.  Unless there is something else in the 442's 307
> that makes that extra 40 hp.  The 85 Olds Service manual does not

Check out the Edelbrock cam.  They have some dyno graphs on their web
site
(http://www.edelbrock.com) that show a 350 olds making 350 hp.  Pretty
impressive!  Lose the headers and performer RPM intake on their test
engine
in favor of manifolds and a performer intake, and I'll bet you're still
up
in the 250-300hp range.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:56:52 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: GUAGEDONE

 Adam,

I have found those elbows for the Oil pressure sending unit at auto parts
supply houses in the brass fittings cabinets.  you might try that.  What's
another couple of dollars now.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

BTW:  Why is ª1 already taken?  Does that mean that I have to settle for ª5?




>YES!  I have a precison screwdriver kit and i figured out how to get
>the  leads out very easily!  Unfortunately I dont have the 45/135 degree
>bend for my oil sending unit, i dont know where to find that thing.. I
>am going to look for the tach hook-up tomorrow and switch the wires
>around it looks that it might just all come together and work... better
>not jinx myself...  so far i have spent
>$20  for the guages
>$42  for the sending units
>$10  to go and cut the clips of the donor car...
>
>OH BTW!!!  I AM NUMBER 4, i figured that many people have counted
>themselves on the list now... :)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:09:03 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: GUAGEDONE

Adam wrote:
>
> YES!  I have a precison screwdriver kit and i figured out how to get
> the  leads out very easily!  Unfortunately I dont have the 45/135 degree
> bend for my oil sending unit, i dont know where to find that thing.. I

Any hardware store, like Home Base, Eagle, etc.  Go to the plumbing
section and there will be all sorts to pick from (brass, iron,
stainless, chromed).  Get whatever looks good and fits.  Pick up some
teflon plumber's tape if you don't have some too.  Bring the sending
unit with you so that you can match the pipe size correctly.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:14:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: RE: opinions on tires?

Hey Rocketeers,

I am also still here and wishing I was Lansing bound.

I am about to purchase a set of Goodyear Eagle GT IIs for my 4-4-2.  I think
that is the most current raised letter that GY carries.  Does anyone have
any experience with the Eagle GT IIs?  I've pretty much got my mind set on
them, but I'd like to hear what y'all think first.  I believe the Eagle GT
II is what replaced the Eagle ST.  I got a quote of 67.00 per tire plus
mount/balance.  I currently have a set of old Eagle STs on there.

  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme
'69 Cutlass S Convertible
'69 4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:18:26 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Painting Experiences -  LONG

> ----------
> From: James Thingwold[SMTP:jht@exo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 12:15 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Responses to various postings
>
> Tell me your paint stories - I'm getting close(r) to painting my '66
> Toro.
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
>
O.K. you asked for it. Sometime ago I mentioned a blur about without
going into details and I said that this story would be told, so here it
goes. On my second restoration, not my choice but the guy behind decided
for me. His car  rear ended me and pushed into the car in front. With
front and rear damage I take the car back to the guy who lastly restored
and painted the car. Asked him to straighten out everything and prime
it. Since this time I wanted to use a clear/base paint (Sikkens) which
he didn't use I had to find another person to paint the car. It sat for
months with no paint awaiting other work to be done. Through a friend at
work who's husband had a '72 Ch*vel** painted I decided to find this
paint shop. At that time the guy worked for someone else, since then he
opened his own shop. To my convienance he opened in my town. Went to see
him and after convincing him to see the car first (I picked him up and
drop him off) we agreed on a price. I thought about it for a while and
then decided to go ahead. He assured me that he would do a good job.
Besides he painted with the Sikkens paint and it was hard enough to find
someone else who uses Sikkens. This was at least a referral. Gave him
the car in August and I told him not to rush it but still not to take
too long. Gave me the I care routine (you where this is going, don't
you?). December rolls around. Had to start prodding to see some work.
Bought a repro. floor pan to have him put in. Got to the point I could
even show him how I wanted things done. I could see his eyes start
rolling and the I know what I'm doing routine. Got a call from him
saying the car won't start come and to come and fix it, I'm tried of
pushing it in and out. Told him to just paint the car and I will come
and get it. The day before he was to begin painting I go to see him to
give him the paint stripe details, he already assumed he would put the
standard W-30 stripes but I explained to him that my was not a W-30 and
that I wanted to have the correct  stripping (there is a difference you,
especially for the '72 442). Got some attitude but he agreed. Had to be
there that night to help him stripe the car. Spent the entire night
until 12:00 a.m. prepping and stripping the car with him. Mind you I
didn't mind, my car was being transformed before my eyes. The next day I
go see the paint job and was amazed and the work but something was
bothering me with the hood. The stripping wasn't the same as the
pictures I had. I had three sets of stripes because he forgot to mask
the middle stripe off completing before painting the car. The stripes
were put on first then the car paint went on top of the masked stripe
area. Immediately I expressed my concern and dissatisfaction. Began to
look and the rest of the car. Months before I had gotten rust free
southern doors which I put on the car. They had minor door dings but
were in great shape. They forgot to fix the door dings. You could surf
on the doors that's how bad they were. By this time I was fuming. I
threatened to take the car well that didn't help much as he became upset
also (obvious reaction by heedens). After a cooling off phase I spoke to
him and he agreed to fix the hood, since it only required to paint black
the portion of the stripe that showed the car colour and then re-clear
it. Not a big job. He also agreed to fix the doors. So off came the hood
and the doors. But I had to wait 2 weeks after New Years to get the
parts as the paint required to cure before any work could be performed.
The time came to pick up my parts they looked great, finally some
satisfaction. Paid him the rest and off I went. It so happens that year
I was get married and the car  had to wait until I moved into my own
home before I could put it back together. The hood went own easy but the
doors stayed cover in the basement. Well the following Autumn (7 months
later) I decided to start putting the car back together. Put the doors
on and guess what? The doors colour didn't match the rest of the car.
Calling him didn't help as he kept giving me false remedies (polish this
wax that). Then he told me that the paint manufacture was to blame. Went
to see the manufacturer and he obviously said it was do to different
painting times and that the paint was actually fine. They wouldn't help
get me to fix it as this paint shop was their customer. Dead end. Wanted
to take them to small claims court but too much time pasted by and the 1
year warranty had expired. Besides I learned a good lesson with this.
Every time e I look at the car I remind myself. The lesson - you've
learned to do everything else by yourself, don't stop at the mechanical,
learn  bodywork and paint now and do that yourself too. There is no
other way, in my opinion and with experiences.

Sorry for the bandwidth but I finally got to talking about something
that really has plagued me for a while. In fact every time I look at the
car. It's been two four years since the car has been painted and I've
gotten estimates from others to fix it but all they want to do is paint
the entire sides again. Not sure I want to do this. What I think I want
is someone who is very good with a paint can and painting. The paint
hasn't seen any daylight since I haven't driven it at all. No oxidation.
The paint has lost any of it's colour. The paint came right out of the
catalogue and I still have the code. Can't I get the paint made up and
have someone paint the doors until they match the rest of the car? Or am
I wanting too much and haven't learned my lesson yet? So that's my
story, have pity on me....or better yet give me some true insight on
paint/painting after that fact.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:17:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

IHey Steve,
>         how about scanning the build sheet and sending it to Bryceman to
> put in on the Olds web page. I for one  would love to see what a W30
> build sheet looks like. BTW congratulations I know the feeling...

I second that motion!  I have never seen a build sheet before.


I'll give that a try,  give me a couple of days.  Acutally however it's not
all that dramatic.  It's a small peice of paper about 3" x 8".  It gives the
build date, body style, body serial No., exterior paint code, trim code and
lists the options on the car.  My particular car has only 3 options.  They
are A01 (Softray Tinted WIndows), U80 (Rear Speaker) & W30 (Performance
Package).

Steve Dietrich
  71 442 W30 Conv.
    S/E PA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:20:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

In a message dated 97-08-20 10:49:34 EDT, you write:

<< Hi Steve,
 Congrats on finding the build sheet for your car.  I'm amazed it was behind
 the
 seat back.  I would have thought the seat would have been a complete builtup
 unit
 before it was placed in the car.  Gee, maybe I should tear down the seats in
 my
 67' 442.  What do ya think? >>


Mark,

   I was suprised also.  In other cars I have found them under the carpet and
under the rear seat.  As Mike Rothe said, they can be anywhere.

Steve Dietrich
  71 442 W30 Conv.
    S/E PA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:25:02 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

>here
>are the lines that correspond with there possitions from the diagrams I
>gave.

Wow; nice to see I was almost completely wrong.  :-)

>I am going to swap out the water switch with a sender. And run the temp
>light to the guage.

Okay...

>I am going to do the same with the oil, and run the oil/choke to the
>guage, BTW the oil sender is about twice as big as the switch and i dont
>think i am going to get it to fit without a pipe extension... its about
>1.75 inches in dia and 2 inches tall.. the old one was 1 inch dia and 1
>inch tall...

That's because the sending unit uses a diaphragm to measure the pressure,
which takes up more space. The idiot light switch is just a little
bimetallic strip and an electrical contact to ground it when it's hot.

>I am just going to run the charge light to the volt meter

No! You should have an idiot light for CHARGE. The volt meter should
be tapped into a switched 12-volt supply (you listed a pink/black
shown on both cars, though you labeled it as "ground" on your car,
which I don't think it is; isn't pink/black the one for this gauge?).


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:29:02 -0300
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

In a message dated 97-08-20 11:19:15 EDT, you write:

<< That is great to hear.  Were you actually worried that it wasn't a real
 one?  I guess that I never sell one of my cars, & so don't pay that much
 attention to this type thing.

 Bill Culp
 Decatur, Alabama >>


Bill,
  I wasn't worried about it being the real thing.  It came with the right
stuff, ª's matching engine, alum. intake, correct carb., dist, OW trans., TO
rear, red fender wells, ralley pack and all the other W30 stuff.  However,
you never know what's going to happen so I feel better knowing that I can
document the car as an actual W30 and not a representation of a W30.

Steve Dietrich
  71 442 W30 Conv.
      S/E PA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:24:54 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: suspension on a delta 88

 I can't believe that yoiur family is accepting that Federal money to live
in luxury like that.  Why, here in Alabama, yoiu'd get run out of town if
you did that.  Actually, I am out of town.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama



>Can't help you on the Delta, but I've noticed several postings
>referencing indoor plumbing lately.  I have an uncle who lives in south
>central Ky that did not have indoor plumbing until the early sixties
>when he moved out to a paved highway.  Until then he and my grandmother
>lived on the old family farm which didn't have running water other than
>someone running up the hillside with two 5 gallon buckets full when
>needed.  Moving to the state road and haqving a well next to house was a
>major improvement.  There are probably still areas like this in eastern
>Ky today although thankfully they are disappearing.
>
>Don
>Nicholasville, Ky (yes it is flat around here and indoor facilities are
>available for the housebroken, heh heh)
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:26:53 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

 John,

AMC trim rings as well as some Chrysler rings are like that.  You must use
the polished ones though as there are also brushed ones.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>"Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)"  wrote:
>About these trim rings, I don't know what an original is supposed to
>look  like (68-69 SSII)?
>
>****************
>I'll try to describe the trim ring. It's stainless steel, about 2"
>wide in the 'dish' portion. That surface is staright (not rounded like
>a Pontiac band).
>The 'sides' (the part that rubs the curb) are flat but have a mild
>step; sorta like this really bad Ascii diagram:
>
>         |-----------
>---------|
>
>Ford 14 x 6 trim rings will work but look different. They have a
>concave radius between the sides and the dish portion. I used to have
>2 Ford bands on one side and 2 Olds bands on the other on my 69
>Cutlass. No one ever knew (until now)
>===
>John >

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 08:36:09 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: 1970 Cutlass aluminum rear end

I would like to thank all the members of the list who helped me on that
subject. I checked on the car again yesterday, when i went across the
border.  Nobody was home., but i looked at the rear again, and it is not a
cover . It is the gear housing in aluminum. Will keep everyone posted on
that car!!!!  thanks again   sincerely  Mike     maldana@digitalwave.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:46:53 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

Steve,

Sorry, I guess that I wasn't very supportive.  A piece of documentation like
this just helps to make things right.  Most of us have almost no history of
our cars.  It is just great that you do have something.  About the only
thing that I may find in mine is Jimmy Hoffa or some ancient cat/

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>In a message dated 97-08-20 11:19:15 EDT, you write:
>
><< That is great to hear.  Were you actually worried that it wasn't a real
> one?  I guess that I never sell one of my cars, & so don't pay that much
> attention to this type thing.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama >>
>
>
>Bill,
>  I wasn't worried about it being the real thing.  It came with the right
>stuff, ª's matching engine, alum. intake, correct carb., dist, OW trans.,
TO
>rear, red fender wells, ralley pack and all the other W30 stuff.  However,
>you never know what's going to happen so I feel better knowing that I can
>document the car as an actual W30 and not a representation of a W30.
>
>Steve Dietrich
>  71 442 W30 Conv.
>      S/E PA
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:53:25 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Painting Experiences -  LONG

 Fernando,

That is some story that many of us can relate to.  I have had some of the
worst things done to my cars imaginable.  It has gotten so bad that I always
do everything that I can rather than depend on some of these "experts'.
Almost anything can be done better by an amateur who is concientious than by
an expert who doesn't have any pride in themselves.

A good painter can match the doors for you.  You have the information that
they need & the doors have aged enough to do anything w/them & successfully.
I'd put the car together & go shopping for that painter.  There must be one
left in the world.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

>Sorry for the bandwidth but I finally got to talking about something
>that really has plagued me for a while. In fact every time I look at the
>car. It's been two four years since the car has been painted and I've
>gotten estimates from others to fix it but all they want to do is paint
>the entire sides again. Not sure I want to do this. What I think I want
>is someone who is very good with a paint can and painting. The paint
>hasn't seen any daylight since I haven't driven it at all. No oxidation.
>The paint has lost any of it's colour. The paint came right out of the
>catalogue and I still have the code. Can't I get the paint made up and
>have someone paint the doors until they match the rest of the car? Or am
>I wanting too much and haven't learned my lesson yet? So that's my
>story, have pity on me....or better yet give me some true insight on
>paint/painting after that fact.
>
>Fernando Proietto
>Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
>Environment Canada
>Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
>4905 Dufferin St.
>Downsview, Ontario
>M3H 5T4
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:33:40 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: 1/4 mile times

Well I ran at New England Drag Way at Olds day..Have pictures too and
the car ran a constant 15 with street tires..Can wait till next year
with some slicks and a little more tuning.

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 09:46:20 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: CA Smog Bill SB-42

The following two messages are from the Hotrod Email list.

A little late but...

=====================================================================
Hello everyone.

SB42 wake-up call.

Call this number to express support for SB42.

(916) 322-4323

This is the phone number for the Assembly Appropriations Committee.
The bill is now in their hands.   Get as many car-enthusiasts you
know to call this number.  It only takes 30 seconds to do so.
This is a new number to call and light another fire under someone
else's rear-end.


====================================================================

I got on an automatic mailing list that gives updates of what's
happening with California SB-42 which is the bill to make cars older
than 25 years old exempt from smog checks.  This is a copy of the
latest message I just got.  It's very disappointing, and it reaffirms
my belief that the smog check program as it pertains to older cars is
not really about making less smog, but more about creating more revenue
for the state.

>From Senator.Kopp@SEN.CA.GOV  Mon Jul 21 11:33:26 1997
Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 11:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: Office SC08 <Senator.Kopp@SEN.CA.GOV>
Subject: RE: Support SB-42.
To: scot <scot@emu.sp.trw.com>

        FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE                   Contact:        Kevin
        Nguyen
        July 17, 1997                                             (415)
        301-1721

             COMMITTEE PULLS AUTO EXEMPTION BILL OVER TO SHOULDER,
                         KOPP CALLS FOR ROAD ASSISTANCE

                Despite 12,000 letters, Internet messages and petitions
        of support, Senate Bill 42, by Senator Quentin L. Kopp
        (Independent - San Francisco/San Mateo), failed passage late
        yesterday in the State Assembly Appropriations Committee.  SB 42
        would exempt vehicles 25 or more model years old from
        California's biennial smog check requirement.

                Kopp's measure passed by a 33-0 vote in the Senate and a
        17-0 vote in the Assembly Transportation Committee.  In Assembly
        Appropriations, however, a motion to pass SB 42 to the full
        Assembly fell three votes short and was rejected, 8-8.  SB 42
        was subsequently placed on the committee's Suspense File, which
        allows Kopp to pursue another vote as soon as late-August.

                "I'm disappointed but undeterred by the vote," said
        Kopp.  "As proponents and supporters of SB 42, we must now focus
        our attention and redouble our efforts to impress upon the
        Assembly Appropriations Committee members the urgency and
        necessity of this legislation."  (The Assembly Appropriations
        Committee can be reached at 916-322-4323, or State Capitol, Room
        2114, Sacramento, CA  95814.)

                The number of affected vehicles is small; the Air
        Resources Board estimates that the bill would exempt
        approximately 400,000 vehicles (or slightly more than 1%) of the
        23,000,000 registered passenger automobiles in California.  The
        bill would affect only those vehicles manufactured from 1966 to
        1973; pre-1966 vehicles already are excluded from the smog
        check.

                "The bureaucrats oppose this commonsense measure not on
        the basis of policy but on the basis of the smog certificate fee
        revenues that would be lost to their programs!" stated Kopp, who
        is Chairman of the Senate Transportation Committee.

                In addition to attracting national attention from many
        individuals and trade publications, SB 42's official supporters
        include the California State Automobile Associ-ation, numerous
        other car collector clubs and Jay Leno, host of the "Tonight
        Show."

======================================================================

*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:50:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: How to get instructions on guage swap (Re: GuageHelp)

In a message dated 97-08-20 00:14:18 EDT, you write:

<<
 The guage pack does have idiot lights. In fact it has the same ones as
 my just plain idoit lights.  I am going to go to the parts store and ask
 for a oil pres sending unit and a temp sending unit.  I dont have a clue
 where they go and what the plug into.  Also, once again does anyone know
 what wires to switch on the harness? The is for a 85 Cutlass switching
 from plain idiot lights to the guage pack.

 Adam Andersen

  >>
Tom Millard is the person who wrote up the instructions (and diagrams) for
this exchange.  If you e-mail me directly at CRuper1@aol.com, I will send you
a copy of his instructions.  You need to give me your mailing address
(postal) so I know where to send it.  His instructions are pretty straight
foreward, and helpful.  He lists part numbers for the guage sending units to
help things along.  I've done this and it took about 1-2 hours, or so (taking
my time, pissing around with everything while in there....., as usual...).
 Sorry I hadn't said anything before, but I figured Tom would respond, and
since he hasn't, I'll help out.

Chris Ruper

P.S.:  Anybody else want these instructions (covers the swap in the 79-80's
model years, as far as I remember from what I had given to me by Tom), drop
me a line also, and I'll send it out to you.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:55:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Instructions for install. of console in 80's Cutlass... an offer....

On the same lines as the instructions for guage swaps, I'll make this offer
to list people.  I have, in my possession....  a drawing of the "mounts"
needed to install the center console for a Cutlass, into a car without.  It
is for the 80's years (79 through, as far as I'm aware), and I performed mine
on my '81 Cutlass, and the donor car was an '83 Cutlass Calais (correct model
designation?......  <Calais that is...>).  Anyways, I currently have it on
CAD right now, and just have to clean it up a bit, and write down some
instructions for it.  So, anybody interested?  No charge, of course (extended
family, you know.... <grin>).  You want it?  Drop me an e-mail at
CRuper1@aol.com, and include your postal address, and I'll send you a copy of
it.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: RE: Painting Experiences -  LONG

Hi Fernando,

> car. It's been two four years since the car has been painted and I've
> gotten estimates from others to fix it but all they want to do is paint
> the entire sides again. Not sure I want to do this. What I think I want
> is someone who is very good with a paint can and painting. The paint
> hasn't seen any daylight since I haven't driven it at all. No oxidation.
> The paint has lost any of it's colour. The paint came right out of the
> catalogue and I still have the code. Can't I get the paint made up and
> have someone paint the doors until they match the rest of the car? Or am
> I wanting too much and haven't learned my lesson yet? So that's my

From what I've seen at a bodyshop I know fairly well, which happens to use
Sikkens paint, they will never just paint one panel.  The advantage of
using a base/clear paint is that you can blend the colour coat so that the
repair area is transparent, then spray clear over the entire panel(s).
Despite having the exact formulation, some colours, especially
light metallics, are very sensitive to things like spray pressure and even
the angle of holding the gun.  You'll probably need to have the doors
painted as well as the colour coat extending maybe a foot (2?) into both
fenders for a blending effect.  I suppose the entire side would need to be
clearcoated.  BTW, I have 2 cars with Sikkens paint, and even after 10
years on one, there hasn't been any noticeable degradation.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:01:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

In a message dated 97-08-20 01:16:50 EDT, you write:

<<
 >Thank you VERY much for your detailed help!  I am going to put the old
 >unit back on for now.  When I replace the switches with sending units do
 >i need to run new wires to the dash? Or will it be a just swap it and
 >plug it in deal?

 No, you don't need to run new wires. But you will need to move about
 four of them from one cavity to another in the plug where they emerge
 behind the dash. This is the part I do _not_ have, and unfortunately
 it is starting to look as if the list members who have these details
 are on their way to Lansing right about now, since you and I seem to
 be the only ones talking here...
  >>

Bzzzzzttt....  wrong....  you will have to run a tach wire for it, nothing
major.....

anyways.....   the swap is fairly easy, and it's not hard to do, I've sent
other mail out there which describes how to get a copy of this "magical" swap
instructions from me.
Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 10:04:41 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 67 Cutlass purchase

I had an inquiry off my web page about locating a '64 Jetstar I - anyone
can contact this gentleman at the following e-mail address:  David

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:02:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Intake clearance

   Hi All,


  After putting a Torker on my '65 442 and discovering that I needed a drop
base air cleaner for hood clearance, I bolted a Holley 4160 directly to the
flange as the Q-Jet to Square bore adaptor was too tall.  Since then I have
found that Edelbrock sells a 1/16 inch thick adapter rather than the 1 inch
thick one I was using.  I don't have any vacuum leak problems right now, but
I know that if I don't put it on I will down the road.  I assumed,
incorrectly, that the one Mondello lists was the 1 inch thick type as the
price is steep for a thin metal flange.  Anyway, I ordered the part from
Jegs and rebuilt my carb.  It now runs like a bat out of hell.  I'll
probably put slip the adaptor under the carb this weekend, UPS (still
striking in Chicago) allowing(not to mention wife and daughter).  Later.


  Paul

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:07:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

In a message dated 97-08-20 03:12:53 EDT, you write:

<< >
 White- is for the tach.  Comes from the "Tach" post from the HEI.
 CAUTION!  Factory tachs come calibrated for a 4 cylinder.  On the back
 of the tach circuit board, you will find "6" and "8" slots.  If your car
 is a six, it should have a white "circuit shorting plug" in the "6"
 socket.  If it is from an 8 cyl, then an orange plug is in the "8"
 socket.  This color coded plug properly calibrates the tach for the
 particular engine.  You can get them from GM.

 Hope I was of some help.

 Mike Rothe >>

On the newer guges, it just has a switch for 6, or 8 cyl., if it's on the
wrong one, you flip the switch.  BTW, if you get errati readings from the
guage (inconsistant, jumpy, etc.) it helps to remove the switch from the
back, and clean the contact points.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:13:23 -0500
From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 12:25:23 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

>Bzzzzzttt....  wrong....  you will have to run a tach wire for it, nothing
>major.....

You're right, Chris... But, um, you're also about forty-two messages
behind on this thread, so keep reading.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:37:48 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Painting Experiences

Unfortunately, the sad part of this story is that it happens all too
often.

Bill as much as I think I can mostly likely do the work I won't because
of the frustration it has caused me. Sometimes I get over anxious and
expect too much only to be majorly disappointed. I'm over most of the
frustration by this time and all I want is to find a good accepting
paint person who realizes what I've been through and can solve this
problem for me. I guess I need a psychiatrist who does body/paint work
on the side. What are the odds? Can you image what he'll/she'll charge?

Hey Kevin, you said you cars are Sikkens painted. Who did your cars?

> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St.
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4
>

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Build Sheets

What are build sheets?

Thanx, Jamie

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 10:43:36 PDT
From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: Olds extravaganza - Media

Hello out there in Olds land!

My dear hubby Dave is on the way to Lansing -- they are due to pull in
today.  He joined the San Francisco caravan in Caspar Wyoming after
travelling with one other vehicle from the Vancouver B. C. area.

The Convoy has a PR crew from Oldsmobile travelling with them who are
filming as they go.  The film is the property of Oldsmobile, and at this
point, no-one seems to know what will be done with it.  Hopefully, it and
film of the whole celebration event will be made into a video amd made
available at a nominal sum.

Anyway, on the 16th, the 20th anniversary of Elvis' death, the PR crew came
to Dave and said that they decided that his red/white '55 98 Holiday coupe
was the one car of the 50 or so on the convoy at that point that Elvis would
most like to be seen in!  So...they got an Elvis look-alike (or dress-up) to
drive the car a short distance and filmed it!

To boot, on the 18th in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Dave's car was the first shot on
their evening news.  They did a short piece on the caravan and the Olds
event.  So, Dave is feeling pretty happy about the car, and it really does
look pretty spiffy and flashy in its new paint job.

Dave says travelling in the convoy is quite an experience.  Yesterday was a
slow day (not much over 30 mph he claims!) and they went through a lot of
little towns.  Apparently, people were out on their lawn is droves,
cheering, watching , waving flags, etc!  I sure am sorry that my health got
in the way of being able to go with him on this epic journey, but am looking
forward to seeing their tapes and pix of it all.

Sherry Soball
Delta, B. C.
B. C. Oldsmobile Club

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 10:56:32 PDT
From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

Hi Daren!


If you emial to us directly around the end of the month, hubby Dave should
be back from Lansing with hiw '55 98 Holiday coupe, and he may be able to
help you out.  He did all the running gear/drivetrain in the car himself.
Me?  I just 'supervised' and paid the bills!  Good luck!

Sherry Soball
Deta, B. C.
B. C. Oldsmobile Club
email:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:03:47 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheets

At 01:39 PM 8/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>What are build sheets?

The factory's assembly line checklist, spit out by the computer
for the line workers to look at as the car comes along. The guy
in charge of installing dashboards, for example, probably has a
choice of two or three different ones in the boxes behind him
(e.g. basic speedo/fuel, speedo/fuel/gauges, or the rally-pack
variety with speedo/fuel/gauges/tach) and the build sheet would
tell him which one to install. The process is a lot more automated
now than it used to be, but there's still paperwork printed up for
each car. One of the last steps on the assembly line will be for a
worker or line inspector to grab the build sheet from wherever it
was hanging (fender cover, hood latch, etc.) and stash it in the
car in some accessible but hidden spot. Popular places include
under the back seat or under the carpet. I found a Pontiac Sunbird
build sheet in the driver's door. They could be anywhere.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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