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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, September 27 1997     Volume 01 : Number 873



Re: There's my car!
Electrical problem (I think)
Re: Mondello?
425 v. 455
Re: speedometer drive Gear
Re: New Acqusition.
Re: Shifter question
RE: 72 W-30 vote
Re: Rallye 350 Chapter
Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
Re: Found 72 service manual tonight
bothersome H heads
conv 68 H/O found!
68 H/O conv inquirer
Rocket Repair
hydraulic clutch
Re: 88 Cutlass Supreme Service manual
330 crank
BB / SB internals
W30 bare block ID
B/U lites required?
Re: Vote for Olds
Re: 72 W-30 vote
64 Cutlass
no-oil engine runs
Re: speedometer drive Gear
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: no-oil engine runs
Re: Knock Sensor
Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
Re: 72 W-30 vote
Re: There's my car!, no its here!!
Re: Rallye 350 Chapter
Re: 72 W-30 vote
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Fubar
Re: Olds "Quality" keys
bummed about my leak
Re: no-oil engine runs
RE: Hood ornaments
Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
need 87 442 info quick
Re: speedometer drive Gear
Re: bummed about my leak
Re: no-oil engine runs
Re: Electrical problem (I think)
Re: speedometer drive Gear
Re: Knock Sensor
Build Sheet?
Fan Clutches.
Re: Rallye 350 Chapter
Re: 64 Cutlass
Re: Build Sheet?
Re: Build Sheet?
Re: There's my car!
Re: Hood ornaments
Re: There's my car!
Re: bummed about my leak
Re: bummed about my leak
Re: Hood ornaments
Re: There's my car!
Re: Fan Clutches.
Re: Mondello?
(Bad) Luck of the Irish   (long)

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:01:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: There's my car!

what about the 70 olds convertible woody drove in kingpin....a great movie!
later
brent
1967 ragtop

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:08:31 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Electrical problem (I think)

Hey everyone,

Well today I had a bit of bad luck with my '83 Ciera.  I was about leave
this morning for two job interviews and it wouldn't start.  Here's a little
background info and a description of what happened.  The car has a 151ci 4
cylinder Pontiac fuel injected engine and is front wheel drive.  I turned
the key and heard the starter just beginning to engage when I then heard a
SNAP and a ~fizzle~ sound come from the engine compartment. (Just what I
needed when I was all dressed up trying not to get worked up before these
interviews.)  I then popped the hood only to discover a fairly decent sized
plume of white smoke coming from the left (passenger side) of the engine
compartment. ( More of what I needed!!)  Nothing caught fire and there is
no visible damage anywhere.

Lucky for me I have two cars now (And my girlfriend thinks I stupid for
buying two cars!!) and was able to take my '85 Cutlass out today. (Damn
glad I didn't take it off insurance!!) After I got home I tried to trouble
shoot before having to go to work.  Tried to start it again but nothing
happens at all.  Lights all work, but radio, power windows locks don't.  I
checked all the fuses in the box and they are OK.   Battery is fine and
charged.

So I'm figuring something shorted out, as no power is getting to the
starter, windows, etc.  My father thinks it might be a fusible link.  We
have no clue as to what this might look like and was wondering if someone
might be able to describe one and where they would generaly be located in
the wiring harness.  Other than that, I guess I'm gonna have to go
searching through the harness to find the bad wire.

Any other theories or suggestions would be gratefully appreciated.  I also
am on the digest and work two jobs, so please be patient if I don't respond
to any replies right away.

Thanks alot for any help,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:15:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: DocOlds723@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mondello?

DocOlds723@aol.com wrote:
>
>   Years ago, I used to run Mondello parts, talked to him personally many
> times, spent a lot of money only to end up breaking many parts, going
slower,
> spending more money.......... so on, so on.
>   It was after years of frustration that I learned that he didn't
> necessarilly have the answers, and he was merely a salesman, looking to
earn
> a buck. After that I chose to go elsewhere, which has turned out to be a
> worthwhile choice.
>   I don't claim to have all the answers, but I have been able to put
together
> a very reliable car that runs 10.teens that weighs 4000lbs. If you were in
> Lansing, chances are that you had seen it in the parade. It is the white
and
> gold 1974 442.
>   My only suggestion is that you don't treat his literature as Bible, and
> seek other opinions. It pays off to research as many sources as possible.
r u going to english town on the 10/11  10/12 if so please look for me
will be with cajun nightmare

I plan on being there. In fact, I was parked next to him last year.
See you there

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:19:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 425 v. 455

Ah, Chris?  I just checked the 455's in both our cars and they both have the
boss and tapped hole for the ball stud needed for the Z-bar.  Is there
something else?
- --
Anything else for what? I guess not, you can use that block for any trans, make
either a 425 or 455 or whatever out of it. -RS-



Another difference is 455 F block is notched at the bottom of each bore to
handle the connecting rod.  A 425 block could be made to take the 455
crank/rods/pistons with a little grinding.
- --
Really. That's interesting, in my garage is a 455 based on the 425 block, but
no grinding was done on the cyl bottoms. Cleared OK during assembly. Hope same
is true upon fireup :-O   -RS-


Funny thing is the last 425 block I looked at actually had indentations in
the casting excatly where they need to be ground for 455 guts.  Curious huh?
- --
Almost as if they tried that out...

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:47:48 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: speedometer drive Gear

I have gotten both the drive and driven gears from a GM dealer for less
then $5 for both. They can (if willing) figure the correct gears for you if
the speedo is off.

Daren

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 20:25:02 PDT
From: Don R Brower <bhouse@seanet.com>
Subject: Re: New Acqusition.

Tom:
  Congrats on the new family member. Glad you got a backup so you
can save on your H/O. Sorry about all the wet weather I know I'm
supposed to keep it on my side of the mountains. Sorry!
                                    Don B.
                                  66 F85
                                  66 Cutlass

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:12:22 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Shifter question

Thanks much - will do.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:25:52 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: 72 W-30 vote

>The Vista from last week placed third or fourth, beating out a number of
>Chevys.

Clapping from the VC section please.

I'm going to vote again with everyone I know of's e-mail addresses :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:28:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 Chapter

There was a rather dilapidated Rallye 350 about a mile from here - had a
for sale sign in it, sat on the street quite awhile, then it disappeared.
Noticed about a week ago the guy has the fenders off, hood is off & on the
roof & the motor has been pulled.  But then I spotted a few other cars he's
got sitting around there  & they look quite nice, so hopefully he's putting
it back together.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:20:46 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

I'd personally punch you if you did - don't go with additives, they're the
proverbial snake oil.  Truly - if Detroit wanted to put that *stuff* in
their motors, they'd sell it to you.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:36:13 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Found 72 service manual tonight

>Also, I found a 1972 Oldsmobile Chassis Service Manual
>and paid $30 for it. I thought that was a great deal since
>they were going for $50-$60 in Lansing.
>On the inside cover it is stamped "Library Copy General
>Motors Training Center"..... Just something to think about.
Hey, what a nice touch!  I got my service manual from a guy who remembered
a guy who had a car the same year as mine & actually called the guy and
asked if I could have it (knowing the car was long since sold) so I got
mine for the cost of shipping - $5!!!  THAT made me happy.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:44:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: bothersome H heads

From: Paul Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 heads....again.....

OK, is the casted "H" located on the side faces of the heads and is around
3/4" tall by 3/4" wide?????  I know there is an "H" on both of the heads,
but the motor has a 2 bbl carb on it....with (what looks like...it has
been a while since I seen it last) a cast iron intake.

I bought this car for $200 and pulled the motor.  I plan on having it
re-built and I am going to be putting it in my 1977 Cutlass......
==============
No freakin' way! You HAVE to have the title of Lucky F'r of the year!
OK, make everyone totally happy, check the 6-digit number, 3 digits each side
of the lower center rocker arm cover bolt, on the head. H is... 409160.  And a
*2* barrel carb, eh? Man, oh, man. You might reconsider selling the H's when
you hear the rest...
- ----------------


If those heads are that rare, I am now wondering if I am looking at the
right letter cast in the heads.....are there any other letters I could be
mistaking for this "H"??????
==============
Well, doubt if any of A,B,C,D,E,F,G,J, or K would be mistaken, but an A or B
could be 'modified' I suppose. That's why the other 6-digit ª is critical.
Also, its last 3 digits are repeated on the underside of the head, see after
you remove head. -RS-
- -----------------


What exactly makes for a good set of heads??  I always thought that the
bigger the valves the better the heads.  What are the advantages of a set
=============
Well, I always thought that "no cracks" was a good sign. Good breathing. Long
life. Finer points: blocked heat crossover, fully divided center xst ports,
etc. Your H's would have hard xst seats, for long life, partially blocked heat
crossover, and big valves. "Airflow is increased due to improved port design"
according to _442 by the numbers_. Then again, improved -over what- they don't
say. Over C's? Over small valve G's? -RS-
- ---------------


of "H" heads compared to say a set of "C" heads????  After all the C's
have bigger valves......
============
Nope. Big-valve C's would have the same as H heads. -RS-
- ------------


...and how much would some people pay for a set of "H" heads???  I am not
going to sell them, but just for curiosity.......
==============
God, Paul, you sitting down?
I saw them offered for, though not SELLING at... about $2500-3000 a pair at the
Centennial. Premium priced because of the event? Maybe. Scarcer than hen's
teeth, sure. Supply & demand. There are fanatical rich folks for whom $100
bills mean not nearly as much as they do to you and me.

I.e., you could sell off the H's for a "mere" $2000, buy a set of BV C's, and
have enough to build your C-head motor REAL nice. Roller rockers, etc. Think
about it... what good are the H's doing you? Slightly better performance? Is
that worth $1500 to you? It is to some wealthy 71 W30 owners, they pay for the
correctness of the part.

Anyhow, next item: the CRANK! Check the shape of the notch in the rear face,
just under the flexplate. Can be checked with flexplate in place, as notch is
in the OD of the flange. Is L- J- or C-shaped?
- -RS-
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: conv 68 H/O found!

Got this mail tonight... big, big news for the Olds community! ;-)

> You have a very nice looking car....I am trying to track down some
> information for a member of our car club; he has a 1968 Hurst Olds
> Convertible that is loaded with the 455 in it - is this car rare?
> Thanks for your time.

Rare? That's an understatement... since no *68* H/O convertibles were made by
the factory, and only 3 *69* H/O convertibles. One was wrecked soon after
manufacture, one went to Linda Vaughn, the other is out there somewhere.

Send me info like VIN, body plate info, I can tell more about the car in
question...

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:52:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 68 H/O conv inquirer

Oh, yeah, this is the guy that found the 68 H/O convertible:

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So, y'all can contact him for particulars?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:55:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Rocket Repair

I would normally say this is not Rocket Science, but in this forum,
it all is, isn't it?  :-)
Andrew C. Green
================

I'd like to think so!
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 23:57:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: hydraulic clutch

Let me check my pocket.....nope no extra $250-$300 in there.  I know
McCleod makes one, but currently I have the manual setup and I'd get a
set of Hookers(the headers) for a little more than the cost of a
hydraulic clutch.   It's a good idea, but like all ideas it is aflicted
with a price tag.  Later.
  Paul Brillhart
============
Ah, just my cobbling mindset coming thru, I was thinking more along the lines
of fitting the pieces off a later model boneyard car to the car with no Z-bar
provision. Avoid that bothersome "body lift" when the body mounts are rotted,
too.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:03:31 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass Supreme Service manual

You didn't get back to me about the '66 Toro mirror.  I called & left a
couple of messages for you.  Is this the yard off Milliken?  My paint &
body buddy (not much cheaper then yours!! and takes forever) said he saw
one there.

I am interested in the mirror if your still going to get things from there.
 Also check to see if it has a gas cap (seriously they're hard to come by).

Thanks much.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:03:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 330 crank

other types may fit.  If anyone's looking for a 330 crank, let me know
and I'll look the guy up and see if he still has it.  I would imagine
it's still usable, since if it don't work, he'll throw it out.  I just
remembered him showing that item to me once, and I thought it looked
cute with the small throws.
Mike Rothe
=============

Yeah, after I got into the big blokes for a while, I had occasion to work on a
small block, man, did those parts look small! And I pick up a Ch*vy crank at
the scrap yard with ONE hand! Scrawny little things.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:06:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: BB / SB internals

Funny-looking 330 baffle/ valley tray:

     Well, now that you mention it, the parts manual _does_ call out such a
     baffle for the 330(!) small block, and goes on to note that this is to

I took apart a 330 many moons ago, might have been a '64, had this feature. I
think I threw it away. [I was young & foolish, and it did not fit with the
bathtub type gasket they sold at the local parts store.] Was about 8x14x4"
overall, attached to the two holes atop the cam bearings there...

     be used with the two-part intake gaskets (which I've always assumed
     were the fiber gaskets, as the price is listed as something like $0.59
     each).  I've personally never seen one on a small block, although my
     small block experience is severely limited (I've actually only had two
     small blocks apart, and neither had the baffle).  Does your motor have
     the large openings in the casting over the cam?
     Joe Padavano
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:09:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: W30 bare block ID

I know, about the peripheal component numbers, but I was referring to
Doc Bob's reference to the block number.  As a complete package, true
enough, but if the block was bare, fresh from the dip tank, laying on
the floor, how would you be able to tell what car it came out of?

Mike Rothe
==========
Ah, well, no. Any VIN info would not include W-ness. I guess a BARE block woudl
*tend* to indicate W-ness with D bores, but that's about it. One would need the
carb ª, distª, etc. etc. for supporting evidence.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: B/U lites required?

BTW, I'm still looking for a console-shifter mounted neutral-safety/backup
light switch for my non-dual-gate floor shifter for my early-production '70
SX. I need the switch and the rod that connects it to the shifter handle,
and maybe the mounting bracket. Mine self-destructed ages ago, and is
missing completely (I've soldered the starter wires together, but need the
backups to work for inspection).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
===================

Doc, ck your MVCode if you have not already done so. I was reading MI's, and it
seems that B/U lites are optional, NOT mandatory. Allowed but not required.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:11:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Vote for Olds

In a message dated 97-09-26 02:07:09 EDT, you write:

<< I just did....5 times!
 (I have a few different e-mail addresses)
  >>
thanks Kurt and Everybody that is supporting me, I just love this, by
Wednesday,
we will see if it all paid off.  Lets hope for once an Olds can win

Mark Prince  aka  W MACHINES

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:15:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote

In a message dated 97-09-26 02:22:52 EDT, you write:

<<  did too.  But, his car could be nicer.......he could find it in his
 heart to discard material things, and GIVE me the keys and title to that
 BEA-YOO-TIFUL W-30! (Just kidding Mark.  Way to go!)

 Mike Rothe
  >>
Sorry cant do that, I would die of a broken heart,   Remember first the car,
then the wife.    :)

Mark Prince

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:15:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 64 Cutlass

Subject: '64 Cutlass

Looking through my Setting the Pace book the other day I noticed that the
'64 F-85 is shown with the 216 V-8 (aluminum motor).  Down a few lines it
shows the Optional L-something something 330 motor.

This car is starting to come across as kinda strange - its an F-85 (nose
emblem, dash emblem & horn button emblem F-85), with Cutlass emblems on the
fenders, and nice options like air, buckets and console and 330 motor.

Sounds like a car that was possibly ordered.  Who knows.  Guess I'll have
to pull up that musty-moldy rear carpet & go a-huntin'.



Lisa Madsen
=============
I had a '64 Cutlass back when I was 16. I thought that the fenders were
replaced because they said "Cutlass" and the car said "F-85" elsewhere, grille?
Had the excellent 330-4V motor, 2-speed Jetaway trans, buckets, console [I
think]. Died when a bad radiator heated the motor to death. Sent it off the
boneyard with less rust than some of my driver cars have now. :-(

Shifter into high at about 60 mph under full throttle... :-)
It kicked ass for a 16-year old. Paid $75 for it in running condition.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: no-oil engine runs

Bobby:
1- TRIM YOUR FAT. There is no need to subject us to EVERY line of the post to
which you are responding! 'Preciate it.

2-
"Great information. I don't use these products in my cars. I have a
question? In most of the commercials for these products they show an
engine with no oil, no water, no oil pan and such. They run the engine
with no load and it doesn't overheat or lock up. I don't think it is
because of these products either. Would just running the engine with a
good oil provide the same results? Is there some trick they are using to
do this?"
Bobby
===============
I ran a Fiat motor to death once, no oil, no coolant, no load. That last part's
the key. It outlasted me. It was loud, too. I got tired of listening to it, and
hit the valves with a hammer until it finally died. Heh.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:52:08 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: speedometer drive Gear

>Has anyone heard of this company that sells speedometer drive gears?

GM
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:52:11 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

>> >How about 425 with the bores resleeved with 403 sleeves?
>>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^
>> middle of a water jacket (after all, you're talking about a 1/4"
>overbore!);
>No I'm talking about putting new sleeves in the block not boring it.

Right, but you've got to bore the block to fit the outer diameter of the
sleeve, and that's pretty big with a 403 sleeve.

>> >might be able to use 350 diesel block with a 425 crank and 403 bores and
>> >save a little weighed but then again I'm just dreaming.
>>
>> Again, you're talking about a .300" overbore, about ten times the
>
>ooops I meant 403 sleeves not to bore it to 403 size. I wonder if GM still
>has the molds (or whatever there called) for the 350 diesel and if they
>would be willing to let some one borrow them.

That would be nice; unfortunately, I don't have any space in my basement for
them...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:05:56 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: no-oil engine runs

> I ran a Fiat motor to death once, no oil, no coolant, no load. That last
part's > the key. It outlasted me. It was loud, too. I got tired of listening 
to
it, and > hit the valves with a hammer until it finally died. Heh. > --

Wow, Chris...have you been taking lessons from F*rd mechanics?

S. D. Ward

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 00:20:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Knock Sensor

Hi Jeff,

> acceleration).  It has been suggested to me that the Knock Sensor
> (retards timing if knocking?) could be on the fritz.  Where is this, how
> do I replace it or does it even sound like the problem.  Thanks again

Your '86 doesn't have a knock sensor.  ESC (Electronic Spark Control) was
added to 1988-90 307's.  On these engines, the knock sensor is screwed
into the driver's side coolant drain hole.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:20:23 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

Robert Barry wrote:
Of course, I believe it's only good till
> you change the oil, and at $12/treatment, I found it cheaper to keep a case
> of oil in the trunk and add a quart every 2-3 weeks. I also kept a pack of 8
> spark plugs gapped and ready in there with the oil, along with a spark-plug
> socket, so I could change ª7 when it fouled on a long trip (usually once
> every 125 miles or so). Got good at it; down to about five minutes from
> shutting off the engine to starting it back up again (again, an $8 pack of
> plugs was cheaper than a $2000 rebuild, and being in grad school at the
> time, living in an apartment, I had little choice).
>
> When I did rebuild it at 220,000 miles, though, it did have a ridge, despite
> that single use of "Restore"... ;)

So I guess you would pull into the service station and say fill it up
with oil and check the gas?

Kind of reminds me of the three Texans would were discussing the size of
their ranches.  First Texan said, "I've got 500 acres of land."  The
second Texan said, "My ranch is so big I can get ino my pickup and drive
all day and can't get from one edge of my land to the other before
dark."  The third Texan grunts and nods his head, "I know just what you
mean.  I used to have a truck like that myself.  Never could keep it
running long enough to get anywhere."

So when you see something advertised, it may not always be quite like it
seems to be in the test, ads, etc. being put out by seller.

Don Sowers

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 01:55:55 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote

> Sorry cant do that, I would die of a broken heart,   Remember first the car,
> then the wife.    :)
>
> Mark Prince
At last, at last.  A  person with his priorities in order.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 04:05:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: There's my car!, no its here!!

Check the movie "Airheads", thats a 67 442 conv, in my color, that the chick
is driving around in!!!

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:27:55 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 Chapter

>i have rallye 350 , would like to join a club for them.  steven .
>w30442cs@aol.com
>

I would also like to belong to a club for Rallye350 owners....

Shayne Horn
bhorn@tnc.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 07:26:52 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote

Mark Prince writes:
>Sorry cant do that, I would die of a broken heart,   Remember first the car,
>then the wife.    :)

Your better half doesn't read this list, does she?

Hee Hee......

BTW: Count my vote times two on MCC, Good Luck!


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:27:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

In a message dated 97-09-26 22:20:51 EDT, you write:

<< ooops I meant 403 sleeves not to bore it to 403 size. I wonder if GM still
 has the molds (or whatever there called) for the 350 diesel and if they
 would be willing to let some one borrow them.
  >>


        I've got a running 1980 Olds 350 Diesel I would be willing to part
with for about $600

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 08:49:25 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Fubar

I'm ALMOST 40 years old and heard this term long before I entered the
military at age 17. Now retired, I have basically heard this term for
most of my life, so, I believe that it probably originated from the
military people and before VietNam. My $.02

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:00:39 -0400 (EDT) STemple909@aol.com writes:
>I hate to disagree on this topic but I have been in the military (US
>Army/US
>Air Force) for the last almost nine years and the term FUBAR has been
>around
>since before I entered the military in 1988. From what I can decipher
>of it's
>history, it appeared sometime before WW I (maybe by a early F*ord
>owner?-nothing personal).
>
>Just my $0.02 worth,
>
>Shawn L. Temple
>72 Cutlass "S" (455/TH-400) "Passes Everything But A Gas Station"
>Birmingham, AL
>

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:24:19 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Olds "Quality" keys

<These keys are regular blanks but in the head in gold is a square inlay w/
the Olds Rocket  from the 80's and the word "Quality" in script below it like
this:

Hey Brad, I called a couple of my lock suppliers and none of them could get
these blanks.  Apparently, they were made for and given out by dealers only.
Cadilac also had a similar key blank around the same time.  (silver key with
a gold caddie emblem on the head of the key.)  Just for the heck of it I
called a couple of Olds dealers.  All knew what key I was describing, but
none had any left.  I'm still checking a couple other places.  I'll let you
know if I find out any more information.


>I'm leaving them uncut and put them on the keychain I got from the
>Centennial for display at shows.>

Not a bad idea.  Would make a nice display if/when you do car shows.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:20:04 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: bummed about my leak

I've been systematically attacking a ticking sound in my valvetrain for the
last several months.  First effort was repeated engine flushes, next was
checking torque of the stock rockers, next was replacement with Comp Cams 
roller
tip rocker set, pushrods, guideplates, etc.  That didn't do it.

My latest effort, just (almost) completed is the replacement of my hydraulic
lifters.
Blue Wolverine were in there, which I understand are not known for quality.
Anyway,
I called Mondello and ended up ordering a set of Engle lifters, anti pump up,
high performance and he says, oil restricted.  That plus the Velpaloid intake
gasket and his valley pan to keep hot oil off the intake.

Installation went relatively well.  I was quite disappointed in the quality of
the
intake gasket, just a plain cork thing for the front and rear without the
convenient tabs that stick into the block at each side.  His valley pan
installs easily, right over the other "pan" that some of you have been
discussing, that sits right down close to the lifters.  With the stock already
there I don't see how *any* oil can make it up and past
 it to the bottom of the instake but whatever....

Anyway, I finally get it all put together this afternoon, start it and sure
enough, a
 very small leak, right behind the oil fill tube.  The leak is of coolant,
though, not
 oil.  How can the coolant be leaking there, unless the manifold is cracked?
It must be somehow flowing/oozing down from the port 2 inches to the side.  I'm
concerned, if the coolant is getting that far and making its way out, then I'd
think there is a good
 chance its also leaking down inside the engine, into the valley pan area and
therefore
 the crankcase.  I did use 1/8 in or so beads of RTV Ultra Blue to seal this
thing.  Must not have been enough?  I started it about 2 hours after the
installation, maybe the RTV didn't have enough time to set completely?

I'll check it inthe morning.  If it still leaks, back at it again.

Todd Morris 71 442

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:35:00 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: no-oil engine runs

>I ran a Fiat motor to death once, no oil, no coolant, no load......It 
outlasted
 me. It was loud, too. I got tired of listening to it, and hit the valves with
a hammer until it finally died. Heh.>



LOLOL!  Of course this was done as a "scientific" experiment to further gain
     vital information regarding engine performance!  (right!)   :)

BTW, was this event captured on video? (lol)   Don't you know you shouldn't use
a "ford tool", (hammer), on anything but a ford? :)

Well this little story, (chuckle), made my morning!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:49:53 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: RE: Hood ornaments

>> I don't know about anybody else, but I like my hood ornament.  I
>watched the CNN's video at their website and I think I agree with Rolls
>Royce's claim that the hood ornament is sort of a mascot, although I
>don't agree with their $1000 price for a piece of metal in the shape of
>a flying lady!>>

That's all!!  What a deal.  Hell, I think I'll mount one of those
beauties on my W-25 hood....Maybe some long airhorns.  Nah!  wouldn't be
stock.  :)

Never gave hood ornaments a thought.  I guess they are few and far
between.  Even the new cadilacs don't have them.  Hmmm.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:04:29 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, James Thingwold <jht@exo.com> wrote:
>I'd personally punch you if you did - don't go with additives, they're the
>proverbial snake oil.......>


But wait, (RC ducks), Lisa! I'm not, (side-step & a twist), going to,

(RC stops a potential connecting punch as he grabs Lisa's left hook...this
really makes her mad),  :)

I'm not going to put that crap in my Olds.  Thought about it though!  So
glad I asked about it, because I didn't believe it was as harmful as it is!

Nope, no "snake oil".  Just clean ol' motor oil.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:17:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: need 87 442 info quick

[A[A

Dang, keyboard's not working right...

I need to know a few things about the 87 442, have a possible parts car.

What rear end ratio was used?
Posi for sure, or optional?
Tag on diff if posi?

Car has one T-top left, the LH one. Hit hard in fron, busted RH ttop, weather
got in. Might have a good PSeat motor yet,



[[A

What else might there be that's desirable &/or 442-specific to make this
worth getting?

I am NOT on real time list, but on DIGEST, so PLEASE
REPLY TO MY EMAIL ADDRESS as listed below, or call at 517-882-9747 today,
thanks

- --
Chris  B. Witt *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:19:00 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: speedometer drive Gear

Thanks to all who respnded on the speedo gear, I'll try a GM dealer in INDY
probably. The local guys don't seem to find anything earlier than 1980.
If that doesn't work I'll follopw Mike's Tip.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm



>> snip
>Yes, they are legit.  From Washington state.  Got a PERFECT front fender
>from them.  Price wasn't too bad either.  Flyparts is just his aol
>name.  I don't think he realizes EXACTLY what you're looking for.
>>snip
>APD - 1-800-241-2910
>
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:24:58 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: bummed about my leak

How many pounds of torque did you torque it to?, might have cracked
the intake. My 2 cents

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:26:45 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: no-oil engine runs

> > I ran a Fiat motor to death once, no oil, no coolant, no load. That last
part's > > the key. It outlasted me. It was loud, too. I got tired of listening
to it, and > > hit the valves with a hammer until it finally died. Heh. > > -- 
>
 > Wow, Chris...have you been taking lessons from F*rd mechanics? > > S. D.
Ward > I didn't think F*rd mechanics even needed a hammer....:)

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:34:30 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Electrical problem (I think)

My ex had a 84 Cierra, similar problem, the Starter Cilonoyde went
bye bye...

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:49:52 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: speedometer drive Gear

 Mike,

That surely sounds rather high.  Have you tried a GM dealer?  You'd be
surprised what can be found yet.  You might also try your local trans
rebuilder for a spare that they have laying around.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>Has anyone heard of this company that sells speedometer drive gears?
>I left an add on Bryceman's page for a gear for a 3:23 rearend mating to a
>TH350.
>I got the following response:
>
>WE HAVE IT $50 PLUS S?H
>CALL 253 475 2624
>FlyParts@aol.com
>
>Am I right that $50 is a huge price for a speedo gear? Does anyone know if
>"FlyParts" is a legitimate company?
>
>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:07:00 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Knock Sensor

Jeff Ferraro wrote:
>
Well,  I haven't been able to listen to the list for a while, just join
occasionally to ask a question due to time
constraints. Anyway, here's another.  My '86 442, 120,000 miles, doesn't
burn oil( engine good shape, etc.) knocks in about
the 1600-2000  rpm range.  This is most prevalent when hot, and the
engine is under more load (A/C or a hill). I
consistently run premium(92/93 octane) fuel.  If I adjust the spark
knock out, then the car runs poorly at idle (rough, or
hesitate upon acceleration).  It has been suggested to me that the Knock
Sensor (retards timing if knocking?) could be on
the fritz.  Where is this, how do I replace it or does it even sound
like the problem.  Thanks again for the suggestions,

Jeff,
  The 307-9 (or Y for that matter...) doesn't have a Knock sensor.  Only
the 3.8L (231??) had it.  To quote the '86 service manual..."To control
spark knock in the 3.8L engine, an electronic Spark Control system has
been added.  The GM checklist for Spark knock is:

1-Check EGR system for proper operation.
2-Check MAP (Manifold absolute pressure) sensor hose for fuel in hose or
restrictions, and MAP sensor for low output and proper connections.
3 - Check ignition timing.
4- Check for obvious overheating problems.
5 - Checkfor air leaks at carburetor mounting and intake manifold.
6 - check thermac operation.
7 - check TPS enrichment operation.

there are a few others if none of these pan out...let me know...
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:08:07 -0500
From: "MiLiT@Nt1" <militant1@geocities.com>
Subject: Build Sheet?

While working on the interior of my car I came across a tractor feed
sheet of paper about 2" x 5".  The text follows:

3-193-29-6
364670
5639-357
 A01 W39 Y71 A65

Is this the build sheet that I hear you people talk about?  What does
all this mean?  Some of the numbers are the same as the numbers on the
plate under the hood...

Thanks for any enlightenment you can provide,
Nate
- --
MiliT@Nt1 <militant1@geocities.com>   '68 Delmont 88 - 455
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:23:38 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Fan Clutches.

Is there any kind of break-in period for new fan clutches?? I installed
one about 2 months ago on my '86 442.  It was really noisy all the time,
I thought maybe it would quite down a little with use, but hasn't.  It
sound like I am ready for take off whenever I get the engine over 2500
RPM.  Thanks for any input...
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:01:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 Chapter

Hello, I have been trying to find a rallye 350! All of the ones I have looked
at are all rusted out completly! How much was the guy asking for it? What
condition is it in? 4 spd, dualgate? Is it still for sale? Big question? Does
it have any rust and if so where is it and how bad? Thankyou!

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 10:18:11 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 64 Cutlass

Yes this has the ol' Jetaway too -  we beat one to death in the '67 when we
bought it with neutral slams.  More 17 year old stuff!!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:01:28 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Build Sheet?

>While working on the interior of my car I came across a tractor feed
>sheet of paper about 2" x 5".  Is this the build sheet that I hear you
people talk about?  What does all this mean?>


Yep that's the build sheet all right! (you lucky devil) :)

What year is your car?

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:10:18 -0500
From: "MiLiT@Nt1" <militant1@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet?

> Yep that's the build sheet all right! (you lucky devil) :)

Imagine my surprise as I was taking out the rear seat to run some speaker
wires and there was thak mysterious piece of paper!

> What year is your car?

1968 Delmont

> RC Hellebuyck

Thanks,Nate
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MiliT@Nt1 <militant1@geocities.com>   '68 Delmont 88 - 455
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:58:44
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: There's my car!

At 09:41 PM 9/26/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Mike Hall wrote:
>
>> I will have to check out the National Lampoon Vacation movies with Chevy
>> Chase and see what year Custom Cruiser the Griswold's were driving;-)
>
>Sorry, that would be a Ford Country Squire instead.
>
>Paul

I tried to figure out what kind of car Mr. Chase is driving in this movie,
and I think that, while it does look like a Ford or Mercury wagon, I got
the impression that it was deliberately disguised to not look like any
brand of car in particular.   Rather, the idea was  to make it look like a
stereotypical station wagon driven by upper middle class suburbanites.  Big
and boxy with wood grain siding.

Dan



*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:53:34 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hood ornaments

>
> >> I don't know about anybody else, but I like my hood ornament.

I like mine too on the 85 442.  "Oldsmobile" always looks cool on the
hood. Or, at least right in front of it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:59:09 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: There's my car!

I kinda know what you mean, I think that happens in alot of his
movies, for example, in Fletch, he comments about the lawyers
"oldsmobuick", you can tell it is a GM, but, can really tell what
kinda car the lawyer is driving...

>
> I tried to figure out what kind of car Mr. Chase is driving in this movie,
> and I think that, while it does look like a Ford or Mercury wagon, I got
> the impression that it was deliberately disguised to not look like any
> brand of car in particular.   Rather, the idea was  to make it look like a
> stereotypical station wagon driven by upper middle class suburbanites.  Big
> and boxy with wood grain siding.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> *********************************************************
> Dan Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> *********************************************************
> see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
> *********************************************************
>
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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:09:25 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: bummed about my leak

What a relief, I went out to check my intake leak again this morning.  Even
though the
instructions that came with the RTV say its not necessary to retorque, I
decided to check
the torque anyway. Unbelievably loose, even though I had meticulously torqued
them the day
before to the recommended 15 lbs, then final torque to 35 lbs.  After
retorqueing them
all in proper order, NO LEAKS.  So, the lesson for me in all this is: retorque
when using
Velpaloid gaskets and/or Ultra Blue RTV.  It seems to have made the
diffference.

>Anyway, I finally get it all put together this afternoon, start it and sure
>enough, a
> very small leak, right behind the oil fill tube.  The leak is of coolant,
>though, not
> oil.  How can the coolant be leaking there, unless the manifold is cracked?
>It must be somehow flowing/oozing down from the port 2 inches to the side.  
I'm
>concerned, if the coolant is getting that far and making its way out, then I'd
>think there is a good
> chance its also leaking down inside the engine, into the valley pan area and
>therefore
> the crankcase.  I did use 1/8 in or so beads of RTV Ultra Blue to seal this
>thing.  Must not have been enough?  I started it about 2 hours after the
>installation, maybe the RTV didn't have enough time to set completely?


Todd Morris 71 442

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:28:28 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: bummed about my leak

Was it an aluminum intake by chance? If thats the case, you have to
retorque again after 10 min of engine running, (found this out in Car
Craft magazine, the article about low cost bolt on hp)


> From:           Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
> To:             <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject:        Re: bummed about my leak
> Date sent:      Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:09:25 -0400
> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> What a relief, I went out to check my intake leak again this morning.  Even
> though the
> instructions that came with the RTV say its not necessary to retorque, I
> decided to check
> the torque anyway. Unbelievably loose, even though I had meticulously torqued
> them the day
> before to the recommended 15 lbs, then final torque to 35 lbs.  After
> retorqueing them
> all in proper order, NO LEAKS.  So, the lesson for me in all this is: 
retorque
> when using
> Velpaloid gaskets and/or Ultra Blue RTV.  It seems to have made the
> diffference.
>
> >Anyway, I finally get it all put together this afternoon, start it and sure
> >enough, a
> > very small leak, right behind the oil fill tube.  The leak is of coolant,
> >though, not
> > oil.  How can the coolant be leaking there, unless the manifold is cracked?
> >It must be somehow flowing/oozing down from the port 2 inches to the side.
I'm > >concerned, if the coolant is getting that far and making its way out,
then I'd > >think there is a good > > chance its also leaking down inside the
engine, into the valley pan area and > >therefore > > the crankcase.  I did use
1/8 in or so beads of RTV Ultra Blue to seal this > >thing.  Must not have been
enough?  I started it about 2 hours after the > >installation, maybe the RTV
didn't have enough time to set completely? > > > Todd Morris 71 442 > > > >
 > > > > > > - -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician Highland Community College Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us -
------------------------------------------------------- "Every man dies...not
every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:29:37 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Hood ornaments

Someone stole mine....Guess I got to run up to the junkyard and find
one, again...

> >
> > >> I don't know about anybody else, but I like my hood ornament.
>
> I like mine too on the 85 442.  "Oldsmobile" always looks cool on the
> hood. Or, at least right in front of it.
>
> Mike Rothe
>
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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 97 17:47:20 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: There's my car!

> w-30    (70 i think) that was in the movie "demolition man" they had the
> actual car in lansing at the history of olds display.....yep i got to go:)

Yeah, I saw it too.  But the description they had with the car said it had a 
400
in it.  What's up with that.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:16:48 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Fan Clutches.

Matthew Mayer wrote:
>
> Is there any kind of break-in period for new fan clutches?? I installed
> one about 2 months ago on my '86 442.  It was really noisy all the time,
> I thought maybe it would quite down a little with use, but hasn't.  It
> sound like I am ready for take off whenever I get the engine over 2500
> RPM.  Thanks for any input...
> --
> ---Matt
> Chicago, IL
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
> --------------------------------------------------------


What kind did you get? The Hadyden severe duty fan clutches are pretty
much the same as a flex-fan. If you got a heavy-duty or a severe-duty
one, try getting just the regular-duty thermostatic.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:37:53 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

DocOlds723@aol.com wrote:
>
> DocOlds723@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >   Years ago, I used to run Mondello parts, talked to him personally many
> > times, spent a lot of money only to end up breaking many parts, going
> slower,
> > spending more money.......... so on, so on.
> >   It was after years of frustration that I learned that he didn't
> > necessarilly have the answers, and he was merely a salesman, looking to
> earn
> > a buck. After that I chose to go elsewhere, which has turned out to be a
> > worthwhile choice.
> >   I don't claim to have all the answers, but I have been able to put
> together
> > a very reliable car that runs 10.teens that weighs 4000lbs. If you were in
> > Lansing, chances are that you had seen it in the parade. It is the white
> and
> > gold 1974 442.
> >   My only suggestion is that you don't treat his literature as Bible, and
> > seek other opinions. It pays off to research as many sources as possible.
> r u going to english town on the 10/11  10/12 if so please look for me
> will be with cajun nightmare
>
> I plan on being there. In fact, I was parked next to him last year.
> See you there
that will be cool

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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:35:07 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: (Bad) Luck of the Irish   (long)

People talk about the the luck of the Irish, well I think I got the bad end
of it.  Yesterday I told all of you about how my Ciera decided not to start
when I had to leave for an interview.  Well, I've been driving my '85
Cutlass Supreme because I haven't gotten around to looking a the Ciera yet.
 So what happens to me now, you ask?  I get into an accident.  Only a
little one, but an accident none the less.

I was at work delivering pizzas, and I was leaving our parking lot to go on
an order.  There was this older guy in his '97 Lexus out in the street, he
decides to put it in reverse and back into our lot to make a u-turn.  I
stop with plenty of room to let this idiot do what he had to do, but he
just kept on backing up, right into me.  Didn't even know I was there.

We pull of to the side to see the damage, he has about a 6"-8" scratch on
his bumper, he pushed my bumper in about an inch, barely noticable.  It
looks like it can be pulled straight with no problems.  I would have been
happy settling an agreement with the guy since it was nothing too major,
but he started saying that ~I~ hit him!!! and that the bent bumper was
~already~ like that!!!  The nerve of this idiot!!!

One of the other drivers I work with came out to see what was going on and
I told him to call the police and have my father come down (he's a cop in
town :-) )  I think that scared the old guy a bit because he started asking
whether this was going to be reported to the insurance companies now, etc.
etc.  So NOW the guy starts apologizing. I just wanted to get a cop there
before I started to get too violent, I was allready yelling at this man for
trying to say it was my fault.

So we get a non-reportable accident report from the officer who showed up,
which means we don't need to tell our insurance companies if we don't want
to.  The guy and myself discussed the happenings and we decided to settle
this without insurance, since it is pretty minor.

The whole thing just ticked me off and put me in a bad mood for the rest of
the day.

Thanks for listening,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme (slightly disfigured)
'83 Cutlass Ciera (out of commission)

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