
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, October 7 1997       Volume 01 : Number 889



Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question
Re: Need stock valve covers for 71' 455
list of people and cars
Re: Installed HEI
Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions
Re: The list people and their cars
Missing Digest #886; Anyone got?
Exhaust Manifold
Re: The list people and their cars
46 Olds 4dr f/sale
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Exhaust Manifold
Re: The list people and their cars
69 Conv parts cars $700
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
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Re: Muscle Car Review
Supreme W-25?
Re: list of people and cars
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unsubscribe
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(no subject)
66  Toronado parts
Re: The list people and their cars
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Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Parts/motors for sale
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Optimum shift points for Drag Racing
Another question
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Aurora V8 Bellhousing
Re: Supreme W-25?
Re: Can i replace a gas tank myself??
Re: Hey! Where is everybody? (my ramblings)
Re: W25
Re: The list people and their cars
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Re: Guy wants St. Wheel clock
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Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...
Tranny Part (bracket)
Re: People and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
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Re: The list people and their cars
Re: engine rebuild questions
Re: FS '70 Rallye 350 4-Speed
Re: 1972 Cutlass Supreme
Re: 66  Toronado parts
Re: W25
Re: W Machines
Re[2]: steering wheel question
Re:  The list people and their cars
Re: Can i replace a gas tank myself??
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:16:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question

you'll will note that both 1 & 6 pistons are at top dead center.  the cam
position determines which is firing, therefor the important thing is during
distributor installation.  both valves must be closed on 1 with engine at tdc
and distributor installed firing # 1.

good luck
mr57olds
54, 57, & 64 cutlass

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:18:21 -0700
From: ham@fan.net
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
> 
> People                                        State
>                                         Car or Cars
> Jim                                               IL
>                                      1970 Cutlass W31
Larry Polesnak,Pennsylvania,62 Starfire,83 Regency,89 Voyager

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:18:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question

you'll will note that both 1 & 6 pistons are at top dead center.  the cam
position determines which is firing, therefor the important thing is during
distributor installation.  both valves must be closed on 1 with engine at tdc
and distributor installed firing # 1.

good luck
mr57olds
54, 57, & 64 cutlass

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 20:18:15 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Need stock valve covers for 71' 455

If you are interested I have a pair of valve covers in excellent condition
$75.00 
E me if you are interested

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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> From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Need stock valve covers for 71' 455
> Date: Monday, October 06, 1997 2:56 PM
> 
> At 10:32 AM 10/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Looking for "stock or original" valve covers for my 1971 4-4-2, 455 
> >engine.  I'm told both should have a "dent or notch" to accommodate the 
> >A/C and power brake booster.  I want the correct ones!  
> >
> I have a 455 in my 72 VC and only the right valve cover is notched.  This
> is essential to clear the AC.  There is no notch in the driver's side
valve
> cover since there is plenty of clearance for the brake booster.  Should
we
> start a thread on this :-)
> 
> Erik Nowacki
> San Diego
> 72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:26:42 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: list of people and cars

Clarence Wirtz
1986 Cutlass 307, 63 Chevy II 283, 76 Ford F-350 Super Cab 460 

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:39:40 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Installed HEI

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> did you change spark plugs?  with an hei you can gap the plugs at about .60
>  instead of .35   this will give you better fuel economy.

Kept the same plugs, just gapped them to about .060

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:44:00 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> I have decided to replace my ignition system in my Cutlass. I want to
> know your opinions on the best ignitions. MSD? Accel? Holley? HEI?
> Wires? Distributors? I know nothing!!!
> 
> What I am looking for is what I can get the most power out of without
> burning something up. I'm going for a total engine rebuild and balancing
> on my stock '73 350 this winter. I am going to have a GK cam 288°/.470
> lift, ported and polished #6 heads with 2.07/1.71 valves and new
> valvetrain, Performer RPM Intake
                        ---
Just an observation, the Performer RPM is for higher revving engines
than the standard Performer.  With the RPM you ~will~ loose some of the
torque that Olds engines are known for.  So, if you're going for a
stoplight racer, be careful.  If on the other hand you're going for a
highway screamer, go for it.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:41:24 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
 
>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.

S. Dave Ward
Ennismore, Ontario, CANADA

'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)--50,000mi.  (*very* clean, showroom cond.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)--110,000 mi. (above avg, no rust)
'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)--115,000 mi. (above avg, just invested $1600)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:57:07 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Missing Digest #886; Anyone got?

I think my server dropped a few mail messages, including the
Oldsmobile-digest #886. Does anyone have a copy of that sitting around still
(it would be from Sunday)?

E-mail me directly before you send it; I'm afraid that with the generosity
of everyone on this list, I'd get two-dozen copies!

TIA.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:18:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Exhaust Manifold

       Hopefully someone on the list can help me. I need an exhaust manifold
for the pass. side of my 425, 2 bbl, a/c equipped 1966 Delta '88. The one I
have is badly cracked and I don't want my family to expire before their time.
Thanks for any and all help.

    Ed
1966 Delta '88
1980 Toronado Diesel

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:08:27 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Glenn "BRO" Brobeck
Pennsylvania

1928 Buick
1969 Cadilac Convertible DeVille
1978 Corvette
1960 Ford Thunderbird
1978 Lincoln Mark V
1916 Model T Ford Touring
1923 Model T Ford Center Door
1925 Model T Ford Dr's Coupe
1959 Morgan +4
1965 Olds 442 4 speed Holiday Coupe (My High School Car and favorite)

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:29:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 46 Olds 4dr f/sale

Was out getting 2 cars Saturday.. a record for me... each was about 80 miles
away, different directions. '69 post coupe carcass [thanks, MP] and a '69
Cutlass Convertible...

anyhow, on the way to the convert was a '46 Olds 4-door project car. Don't know
much about it...
- -Owned by WW Reel of Belleville, MI recently
- -last registered about 1988
- -half street rod: no motor, no trans, Ch*vy differntial?, modernish wheels on
the back, tilt steering column out of ?? tossed in the back.
- -Black, I think, in color.
- -Some rust, but doors open & shut like a tank.
- -priced at $1000 now, bargain if you like

No contact info handy, get holda me if you need something like this, & I get my
brother to get contact info. It's in Ovid, MI, central lower peninsula. Owosso,
something like that.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:32:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: DJV442@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Dan                             Massachusetts
                                   71 c/s convertible
                                   86 442

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:32:55 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold

AllNiteLng@aol.com wrote:
> 
>        Hopefully someone on the list can help me. I need an exhaust manifold
> for the pass. side of my 425, 2 bbl, a/c equipped 1966 Delta '88. The one I
> have is badly cracked and I don't want my family to expire before their time.
> Thanks for any and all help.

Always drive with the windows down, and never stop for longer than the
average stoplight...other than an inconvenience, I wouldn't worry about
the safety aspect.

I'm not known for my connections to hard-to-find parts, and I wish I
could help you out.  I'll leave this part to some of the more
experienced members of the list...

S. Dave Ward
> 
>     Ed
> 1966 Delta '88
> 1980 Toronado Diesel

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:08:48 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Gary
Arizona
1964 Dynamic 88 Convertible
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(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:38:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 69 Conv parts cars $700

Was out getting 2 cars Saturday... including a '69 Cutlass Convertible...

I would rather sell as a unit that and a twin body with not much left for $700.
Both cars, or as much as you care to cart off...

   Recent car has
- -running 350-2V motor
- -ATrans, I forget if 2-speed or 3-speed, probably 2.
- -worn buckets * console [blue]
- -good dash
- -no AC
- -NICE blue 3-spoke steering wheel, unusual design, not "wood" though.
- -12-bolt diff, presumably 3.08 open or 2.73 open
- -power top
- -trashed top, tarp top now.
- -needs 'most all interior panels.
- -bad body rust, frame looks OK with cursory inspection.
- -really nice hood
- -decklid not bad, some internal rust, on holes thru in the lip area.
- -rear 1" of LR 1/4 panel trim is smished, other is nice
- -other trims are OK except one wheel well trim.
- -5 ea. SSII wheels, 4 have trim rings, OK but not perfect condition.
- -center caps have some pitting.
- -LH remote mirror, needs rechrome or whatever.
- -map light RV mirror
_*NO* power brakes! [weird!]
- -Drum brakes
- -Grille ~OK, not perfect, but good for looks good at first glance car.
- -Bumpers platable, lame chrome as is.

Brakes no workee, but it drove itself up on the trailer OK. :-)

That's all I can recall for now.


- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 21:40:00 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

 Glenn Connors
 West Seneca,  New York
 '69 4-4-2   Black on Black Holiday Coupe 

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:43:10 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.
 
People                                        State
                                        Car or Cars

Jim                                              IL
                                   1970 Cutlass W31

Jason						 VA
			1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 97 21:43:02 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

At 09:08 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Glenn "BRO" Brobeck
>Pennsylvania
>
>1928 Buick
>1969 Cadilac Convertible DeVille
>1978 Corvette
>1960 Ford Thunderbird
>1978 Lincoln Mark V
>1916 Model T Ford Touring
>1923 Model T Ford Center Door
>1925 Model T Ford Dr's Coupe
>1959 Morgan +4
>1965 Olds 442 4 speed Holiday Coupe (My High School Car and favorite)
>
   
    Heck, talk about toys....Geez

  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2
  Plain Jane Blk on Blk

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:48:42 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

Jim,

After calling for a third time and speaking to the customer service
manager I finally got my deal; either 20% off or free floor mats.  I
took the floor mats.

Thanks for the help, Jeff.

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:54:20 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Supreme W-25?

I was under the pretense that the W-25 was not available on the Supreme
in 70-72.  Again, I hate to blame faded memory, but I did read it
SOMEWHERE (or so I thought) that the 4200 was not available with the
OAI.  Unless, like Bob Schenkel said, that I too am confusing it with
the W-30 option.  I'm not going to dispute anyone's claims, for I have
seen Supremes with the OAI hood.  Of course, I've also seen 69 442's
with a 70 OAI hood. (Looks weird)  If it fits, it looks at home I guess.

What I would like to know, is that if anyone can put this baby to bed
with some undisputible evidence.  I just checked some old car reviews of
the "new" 70 Oldses, and it says that the W-25 OAI is now available on
any A body Olds.  "ANY" A-body.  That's what the mag says, and they were
probably closer to reality than our memories 27 years past.

Since reading this for myself, I would tend to believe the SUPER-eme
could very well have been able to get the OAI. Not CERTAIN, since I have
no factory literature to back this.  Again, no matter what the outcome,
Oldsmobile reserved the right to make changes in their offerings without
notice, so at the time of print really means nothing, although it's a
good start.

I wouldn't normally beat on this nearly dead horse, save for the fact
that it has piqued my interest on whether or not the Supreme was indeed
a candidate for the OAI.

WHAT GIVES?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:05:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Brent Ardo
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:09:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Tom Simmons    VA
1971 Cutlass Supreme SX and (soon) 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:08:24 +0000
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:09:04 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Glenn B Brobeck wrote:
> 
> Glenn "BRO" Brobeck
> Pennsylvania
> 
> 1928 Buick
> 1969 Cadilac Convertible DeVille
> 1978 Corvette

Whoo...the Silver Anniversary...best 'Vette ever built!  Had a white
'79, 350/350, nice car...but my father sold it!

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:14:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: FREDALL@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Fred Allard

1957 Super 88

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 21:22:48 -0500
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

JR
Texas
72 Cutlass S
92 Dodge Grand Caravan

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 22:32:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Paul Pate
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (LG4 305, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:38:27 -0700
From: Sherman Higgins <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: (no subject)

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:48:34 -0700
From: Sherman Higgins <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: 66  Toronado parts

I was wondering if anybody out there would be interested in any
parts for a 66 Toro. It breaks my heart to do it but I have no choice.
if interested contact  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 21:53:34 -0500
From: Flipper <phillil@redoak.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Phillip "Flipper" Lamb
Red Oak, IA

1961 Dynamic 88
1957 Buick Special
1986 Delta 88
1962 Chevy Impala Wagon ( hopefully soon )

1967 442 (wish I had back, lost in divorce)

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 18:18:38 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
> 
> People                                        State
>                                         Car or Cars
Chris Sparks (aka Mr. Ada)                        CA
                                         1968 442 SC
                                         1968 442 HT (Parts)
                                         1979 Lincoln Town Car
                                         1982 Delta Royale Brougham
                                         1995 Chevy Truck (S.O.'s)

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 19:55:39 -0500
From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
Subject: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...

I have almost decided to completely rebuild the front and rear suspension
in my '69 Cutlass Convertible.  I intend to use the car as a daily driver
and do not really need a "high performance" suspension.

It seems that every article or catalog I read has a different opinion on
the relative merits of the various bushing materials as far as ride
harhness, squeeks, etc. are concerned.  By shopping around there does not
seem be a great difference in the overall price no matter which system I
buy.  Needless to say, it has all left me very confused.

Has anyone had any first hand experience with the various material types to
help me make a final determination.

Lloyd Ferguson
cutlass69@usa.net

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:56:43 -0700
From: Sherman Higgins <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

FREDALL@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Fred Allard
> 
> 1957 Super 88

if anybody is interested the Broncos are up by one over the Patriots

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:10:09 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Forrest Johnson
Texas
68 Cutlass - Drag car - soon to put back on street
68 Cutlass - Soon to become all out Drag car
68 Cutlass Supreme - All numbers matching - Restore to start Summer '98
96 Chev. C2500 PU - to get the Olds to the track, me to work
91 Geo Metro - To keep my appreciation for muscle cars, trucks
               and any driver faster than I (most), great on gas !

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 23:20:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daily73@aol.com
Subject: Parts/motors for sale

              I'm clearing out all of the loose parts I have lying around
that I don't need. All offers or trades will be seriously considered.
              
               1968 455 4bbl. with about 70,000 miles with a rebuilt ( under
500 miles )                                                 
                turbo 400

                 !972 cutlass 's'  completely disassembled....frame, body
tub, 's' hood           
                 w/louvers, doors, 2 dk. saddle interiors ( 21/2 bench seat
interiors and 1 
                 bucket seat interior), deck lid, glass, rear bumper,
suspension (new fr. 
                 coils, disc brakes, etc.), open rear end, much more

                 3 1972 350 2bbl. motors in various states of 'complete'

                 N.O.S. 1972 supreme grills in G.M. boxes (no chrome)

                 Chrome, trim, lenses, other misc. parts
                  
                  1982 307 in 4 dr. Delta 88

                  MUCH, MUCH MORE!! IT ALL MUST GO!!!! E-mail with
questions/offers

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:26:29 -0500
From: Tom Williams <tjwilli@Megavision.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Tom Williams
Columbus, NE 

1970 W-31 
1976 GMC Sierra Grande 4x4 Mint Condition just turned over 49,000
acutual miles

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Date: Mon, 6 Oct 1997 15:42:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: Optimum shift points for Drag Racing

Reply to message from Jeff.Easton@abbott.com of Mon, 06 Oct
>
>As many of you know, Last year I took my 442 to the track
>for the first time (me and the car :-), and pretty much
>waxed the 6 speed Mustang my friend had.  Well, he's spent
>most of the summer doing "upgrades" to his 'stang and has
>challenged me to a rematch.  So this Sunday we are
>headed to Union Grove for another round.  Also  tagging
>along is my brother w/ his '71 GS and a couple of friends
>who are driving an '86 T-type and '94 Z-28.
>
>Its looks pretty grim for the 442 this year. The one
>thing I have done is buy a cheapie tach.  It seems to
>be working fine, but it brings up the question of
>shift points.
>
>Any of you racers have a philosophy for shifing a
>manual trans car?  What RPM's should I be hitting?
>ie. whats the peak HP and torque curve for this 455?
>
>Keep in mind this is a stock 442 4-speed w/ the
>close ratio M-21 box and a 3.42 posi out back.
>
>-Jeff Easton
>jeff.easton@abbott.com
>
>1970 442  4-speed
>Grayslake, ILL
>
>
   Hi, i'm not to experienced with racing manuals, but I do agree the
mustang crowd out my way is pretty annoying :), but the method i use is to
drive or race the car and see how many rpm's it drops in a shift, such as
shifting at 5000 into second and when it hits the next gear it drops to
4700, that makes a 300 rpm drop, therefore, i shift 300 rpm over max HP,
you want to keep the car as close to the rpm your car makes it's maximum
horsepower as possible from my understanding, ever notice how pro street
cars don't have much of an rpm change throuought the whole run?, hope this
is helpfull and good luck!

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  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 12:28:16 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Another question

It appears that my windshield has been keyed, and has numerous scratches in
it from this vandalism.  In addition, the wipers have made some scratches as
well.  I am looking for some suggestions for removing scratches from the
glass.  JC Whitneys has a kit, but are there any other ideas.  Your comments
would be greatly appreciated.

Gary
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Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:27:17 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Don Sowers		Kentucky

1969 S conv
1970 Supreme conv
1971 GS 455 conv
1972 Hurst/sunroof
1972 S (for sale, 87k miles)
1978 T-bird
1979 Mark V
1980 Mark VI
1981 Mark VII
1983 Mazda RX7 (2)
1989 Lincoln Town Car
1990 Mark VII
1991 BMW 525i
1992 T-bird
There's probably one or two I forgot.DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
> 
> People                                        State
>                                         Car or Cars
> Jim                                               IL
>                                      1970 Cutlass W31

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:23:02 -0700
From: Sherman Higgins <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Sherman Higgins
Cambridge Massachucetts
1966 Toronado

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:31:41 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Forrest Johnson wrote:

> 96 Chev. C2500 PU - to get the Olds to the track, me to work

I've noticed that Chev trucks are popular on the list as well!  I'm glad
to see that nobody would insult an Olds by hauling it to the track with
a FORD!

Fix Or Repair Daily
Found On Road Dead
F**ked Over Rusted Dodge
F**ked On Race Day
F**k, Our Ride Died

Spell it backwards, you get Driver Returns On Foot!

(I just had a small argument with a Ford owner, and I just had to get
that out) :o)

Here's a good pro-Olds line;  Old Lady's Death Sentence!

(had to make it Olds-related *somehow*!)

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 20:35:57 -0700
From: Gary Ohst <garyo@globalpac.com>
Subject: Aurora V8 Bellhousing

List,

Anybody know what bellhousing pattern the Aurora V8 uses.  It it the
small GM pattern found on FWD cars?

Gary

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:34:29 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Supreme W-25?

At 09:54 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
To All

        The literature I have states that any 4 bbl. A-body could have the
W-25 option added to it. There is even a documented 72 wagon that came with
a 455 and OAI, manual steering, and radio delete.

Jim Chermack


>I was under the pretense that the W-25 was not available on the Supreme
>in 70-72.  Again, I hate to blame faded memory, but I did read it
>SOMEWHERE (or so I thought) that the 4200 was not available with the
>OAI.  Unless, like Bob Schenkel said, that I too am confusing it with
>the W-30 option.  I'm not going to dispute anyone's claims, for I have
>seen Supremes with the OAI hood.  Of course, I've also seen 69 442's
>with a 70 OAI hood. (Looks weird)  If it fits, it looks at home I guess.
>
>What I would like to know, is that if anyone can put this baby to bed
>with some undisputible evidence.  I just checked some old car reviews of
>the "new" 70 Oldses, and it says that the W-25 OAI is now available on
>any A body Olds.  "ANY" A-body.  That's what the mag says, and they were
>probably closer to reality than our memories 27 years past.
>
>Since reading this for myself, I would tend to believe the SUPER-eme
>could very well have been able to get the OAI. Not CERTAIN, since I have
>no factory literature to back this.  Again, no matter what the outcome,
>Oldsmobile reserved the right to make changes in their offerings without
>notice, so at the time of print really means nothing, although it's a
>good start.
>
>I wouldn't normally beat on this nearly dead horse, save for the fact
>that it has piqued my interest on whether or not the Supreme was indeed
>a candidate for the OAI.
>
>WHAT GIVES?
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:32:31 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Can i replace a gas tank myself??

>> HAs anyone on this list ever replaced a gas tank with limited equipment?? My

I did one last week. Still getting the rust particles out of my contacts... |^o

Much better to wear glasses, and keep your mouth closed... B^I

>> 77 needs one and i like to get it done before winter. I don't have a garage
>> with a lift just a jack, stands, and car ramps.

Well, I used two jackstands, a little rolling floor-jack with a piece of
board to support the bottom of the tank, a 9/16 socket to get the strap
bolts off, a pair of pliers for the gas tank hose clamps, and a utility
knife to cut the lines off. Oh, and a 1/4" socket to get off the filler neck
support, and a pair of wire cutters to cut the old ground strap to the
sender (I crimped on a new connector, and used a new ground bolt, as the old
one had rusted itself into place.  Not too complicated, but it would have
been easier without ten gallons of leaded gas in the tank. 

>> Drove to a local parts place and they quoted me $120 for the new tank and
>> $80 labor for installation. If i had to go this route are those fair prices??
>
>80 bucks to replace a tank.....I'd take that 1 in a heartbeat......if 

Unless I needed to spend the $80 on food for my family, I'd gladly pay
someone else to do this kind of job, especially if you've got a rusty
undercarriage like I did.

>you've ever replaced 1 you'd know where I'm coming from...all the 
>surface rust in your eyes...the brittle gas lines you have to cut to get 
>off...the shear weight of the thing...which is not easily handled by 1 
>person...so...GO FOR IT!!!...Hoagie

That's all true; you'll come out from under there with rust specks where you
never thought they could go, and you'll smell like the inside of a Texaco
truck. No, it doesn't take too long (only a couple hours), but it's
unpleasant work.

In addition, you may need new straps if the old ones are rusty, and it's
almost a given that you'll need new strap bolts and the captive nuts as
well. Make sure your mechanic has access to replacements, so your car
doesn't sit in his shop for weeks while he's "waitin' for parts".
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:32:38 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Hey! Where is everybody? (my ramblings)

>hair on my arms and legs and face. Besides, this leaves me with no time
>to do anything on the weekends if I want to get at least $80 a paycheck.
>I'd have to work 10 hrs/day making $5.15. BS!!! Maybe if I got $8-10,
>I'd say forget weekends, I'll work. But mi. wage for two 10 hr. days
>just ain't cuttin' it.

Wow, brings back memories. I mopped up at a Dunkin' Donuts to support my SX
in high-school; trouble was, the better I got at it, the quicker I finished,
and the less hours I worked! Got to where I was working less than 10
hours/week, which at the minimum wage of the day of $3.37, was barely enough
for a tank of gas and a movie. Now I recall why I didn't spring the $1200 to
get the rear quarters replaced back then... :)

>	I'll probably get a(some) detention(s) tomorrow. I left a pretty hefty
>one-wheel cloud of smoke from my car today while I was pulling out of
>the school parking lot. Unfortunately, I was seen by somebody in the bus
>garage. Oh well, not like it hasn't ever happened before =p. Darn sticky
>throttle ;-).

<high school mode>

Heh.... Yeah, I had that throttle stick wide open in the parking lot before,
roasting those Mickey Thompson's across the lot, unfortunately right in
front of the vice-principal. Made a good impression on my buddies, though!
(and after all, that's what really counts, right?)

</high school mode>

Hey, Matt, that's serious irresponsibility! I don't want to hear about any
of that tomfoolery on this list again, you got me Mister?

;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 03:32:35 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: W25

>>         A guy at the local pizza shop has a mid 70's Cutlass with W25 badges.
>> Can anyone tell me what it is ?????
>
>okay boys and girls...lets review our "W" performance options...W-30 442 
 [snip]
>His-nhers dual gate shifter...that covers our W-Machine performance 
>options that start with the letter "W"

For 1970...

Now, who wants to do 1966-1969 and 1971-1992?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 23:18:38
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Chris Matthes	Wisconsin	
73 Cutlass S
67 Cutlass Supreme
96 Ford F-150

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:03:42 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

At 07:11 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.


Jason Labay
Ohio
95 Impala SS
80 Olds 442 W-30
75 Hurst/Olds W-25 -(2)
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4
...all the above I drive except for the H/O
I also have at least 100+ cars and/or parts cars stashed away of various
makes and models :-) Ah the wonders of being in the salvage business....
____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH        
95 DCM Impala SS.....14.66 @ 95.5 ; 1.917 60 ft ; 4400lbs
80 Olds 442 W-30.......15.70 @ 88.7 ; 2.200 60 ft ; 3300lbs
75 Hurst/Olds W-25 - (2)..one parts car, one resto car
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4.......work truck, 1,625 watt sound system

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:02:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Popps51@aol.com
Subject: Re: Guy wants St. Wheel clock

I know that you don't see the steering wheel clock to much anymore but I know
that they were an option in "51" &"52". When they were installed the original
clock on the dash was replaced with a compass also the turn signal lever was
special in that it had a bend in it to clear the clock.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: U8mymeat@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

69 cutlass s convert

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:43:54 -0700
From: Larry <dilligaf@tl.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Larry		Pennsylvania

66 Vista Cruiser 2-Seat Custom
68 Cutlass S Convertible
68 Cutlass Supreme Town Sedan
68 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe (2)
68 Cutlass S Sport Coupe
68 442 Holiday Coupe
69 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
69 Ninety-Eight Luxury Sedan

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:48:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Bob Iozia
69 442
57 Ch*vy

Brick, N.J.

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:46:42 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
> order.

Oh man.  Is ~this~ gonna be tough.  Talk about bandwidth.  I haven't
even been studying, either.  ABC order?  "A" as in letter, or quality? 
I'll try...  What about by year?  Hmm.  How would ~Webster~ organize
this... :)

Charley Buehner  --  Montana
- ----------------------------
1957 Buick Special 4Dr Hdtp  Restore project
1970 Buick GS 455 - daily driver (sometimes)
1970 Buick Skylark Custom 350.  Parts car - complete
1971 Buick Skylark 350.  Parts car.  Most of this is in the GS
1978 Buick Century (?) Wagon Stripped, parts car.
1983 Buick Turbo Regal (should have pics back tomorrow!!!) Needs
carb&tranny
- ----------
1966 Olds Toro Parts car-still don't have physical possession of it.
1967 Olds Toro Loaded, Severe frontend damage, engine being used by
another car.  Big lein on title, 
	       May also become parts car :o
1967 Olds Ninety Eight Convertible - Black on Yellow.  Future Restore
project
1968 Olds Delta 88.  Parts car
1969 Olds Ninety Eight 4 Dr.  Totalled.  Parts car
1970 Olds Delta 88.  Parts car   
1973 Olds Toro.  Future parts car.  "C" heads, complete.
1977 Olds Toro  Daily driver.  
1981 Cutlass (Rockit 1) 425, 3.23 posi, everything I can cram between
the bumpers.  My baby.
		Currently in hiding, saving gas and winter damages...
1981 Cutlass 2dr  Parts car.  Buckets/console (Mine!!!:)  No drivetrain.
2tn green
1981 Cutlass Brm. 2dr  Parts car.  White/red int. No
drivetrain/steering/brakes.  No phys. possession yet.
1982 Cutlass Brougham.  Blown 260, clean, damage on 2 corners.  Waiting
on title (still!)
1983 Cutlass Brougham.  Black/red int.  T-tops, 3.8, loaded.  Getting
all my stereo now.  Daily driver
		New pics with scoop should be here tomorrow, as well.
- -----------
1982 Ford Escort wagon  parts car
1982 Ford EXP  White/red int.
1982 Ford EXP  used to be red.  Now needs paint and assy.  Oh well, it's
a ford...
- -----------
Hmm...  Did I forget any?  Oh, yeah!  There's that early 70's Delta 88
I'm supposed to go pick up, but it's not officially mine, yet...
The curious can add these
78 Buick Wagon (full size, pulled the 403 and TH350 (Both orig. from
Firebird) and gave the shell away.
81 Mazda 626 - Sold for parts
82 Firebird - rolled at least twice - traded for parts.
I ~used~ to own those cars...
Some may notice there isn't a single chevrolet in the listing. 
Coincidence?  You decide :)
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:54:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts/motors for sale

Where are you?
CoupeKing
San Pedro, CA

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:52:00 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...

There you go.  You will always have that.  If you aren't looking for a
performance suspension, then go with the factory rubber.  The car will
return to its original designed ride, and you won't have any surprises. 
The poly bushings are harder, so they don't flex as much, thereby
helping in the handling department.  There is nothing wrong really, it
just will definitely affect the ride.  The polys also have a tendency to
squeak, but since they don't flex much, they also transmit more road
shock to the frame, giving you a harsher feeling ride.  You already
answered your own question when you said you didn't want a performance
suspension.  So go get what the GM design engineers spent thousands of
dollars on research on.  They work.  I've had polys, and they definitely
enhance handling, but do ride a little rougher.  Plus, I ended up having
to replace them in about 4 years.  So guess what I went back to......

Mike Rothe
> 
> It seems that every article or catalog I read has a different opinion on
> the relative merits of the various bushing materials as far as ride
> harhness, squeeks, etc. are concerned.  By shopping around there does not
> seem be a great difference in the overall price no matter which system I
> buy.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:00:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Tranny Part (bracket)

Hi All

  Anyone have or know where I can get Olds part #  403945 ?
  It is a bracket that is connected to an M-20 Trans with a Hurst Shifter. 
  From a 69 442.

  TIA
   Bob Iozia 
   Brick, NJ

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:55:43 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: People and their cars

Well, I thought this was going to be only Oldses, so I should include my
"other" ones too.

Mike Rothe
South Carolina
69 H/O
71 442 (with W-25!)
76 GMC 1/2 ton Camper Special, 502 c.i.d.
85 442
93 Z28

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 23:07:57 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Tim Rudolph
Fort Collins, Colorado
1969 442 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:18:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Popps51@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

John                     87 Cutlass ciera
                            51 Super 88
                            27 30E sedan

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:27:44 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

You've been peeking at the Toro list again haven't you?  There is a nice
member list layout *over* there.

I'm game ( if you have room for me that is :-))

Lisa Madsen, Anaheim California, 1964 Cutlass, 1966 Toronado, 1967 Delta 88
Custom, 1969 Toronado, 1972 Vista Cruiser

Lisa M. & all her *buddies*

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:18:56 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: engine rebuild questions

On this sort of related note - who besides Kantor's has a rebuild kit for
a 394 (no guys, Id didn't buy *another* car, a guy I know is looking into
rebuilding his).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:10:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: FS '70 Rallye 350 4-Speed

There is one listed for sale on Bryceman's page as well.  There is a link
from my webpage to his site if you need it.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:12:52 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 Cutlass Supreme

You guys just need a Vista Cruiser - all that leg room.  Great sleeping
area too with those seats folded down.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 22:35:09 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 66  Toronado parts

You must have missed all my pleading posts before.  i am in need of a
standard drivers side mirror (non remote) and pass. front wheel well
molding.  Also front pass side bumper piece (nose - not the front middle
piece).

Please let me know - I'm boring everyone with these repeated requests :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 01:52:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: W25

In a message dated 97-10-06 20:14:47 EDT, you write:

<< Patton wrote:
 > 
 > Rocketmen (and Lisa   et al)
 > 
 >         A guy at the local pizza shop has a mid 70's Cutlass with W25
badges.
 > Can anyone tell me what it is ?????
 > 
 >                                         The Generalokay boys and
girls...lets review our "W" performance options...W-30 442 
 performance package for maximum bang for the buck(455 C.I.)..W-31 for 
 F-85 and Cutlass "S" coupes those who couldn't quite swing the 
 maximum(350 C.I.)..W-25 Outside Air Induction Fiberglass Hood 
 performance option...W-27 special order aluminum carrier and 
 cover....W-26 sports console made in combination with hurst with 
 His-nhers dual gate shifter...that covers our W-Machine performance 
 options that start with the letter "W"
  >>

What about the very rare W-32 ?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 00:09:04 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: W Machines

>> While many members don't consider it a true W Machine.  I do own a 1991 W41
>> Calais.
>
>Every performance option in Oldsmobiles stable is a W code.  Therefore,
>it is an unwritten rule, that if your option code for your car package
>starts with a W, then it is a performance machine.  My opinion of
>course.  The W-30 and W-31 of old were the only ones to put that on a
>die-cast badge and proudly wear it on the fenders.  The H/O, 442s of the
>late 70's used decals to note their W origin, and didn't the W-41's come
>with a decal?
>
>My 69 H/O is under option code W-46 (was it not a bruiser?), and the 85
>442 is W-42, and the 71 442 was actually a Cutlass with the "standard"
>option W-29 and all its ameneties.
>
>Yes, Cecil, it IMO is a W-machine.
>
>
>Mike Rothe
>

 I've got an 85 442 W-42..Love my baby

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 01:59:46 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: steering wheel question

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BMAN6771@aol.com wrote:
> 
> hi, i have a 1967 cutlass convertible. i was wondering if a 70-72 sport
> steering wheel would fit on my car. ...

     As others have pointed out, the hub, while larger in diameter than 
     your column, will physically bolt up.  Rather than machine down the 
     hub, try to find the hub from the early (pre-69) three-spoke "wood" 
     steering wheels.  These were used on 68 Cutlass/442s, but the same hub 
     was also used on pretty much all of the GM cars in the 67-68 time 
     frame.  Even though they are all identical, the "Corvette" wheels and 
     hubs naturally command a premium (go figure...).  This hub will 
     correctly fit on your column, and a 70-72 sport wheel will bolt 
     directly to the smaller-diameter hub.  The horn contact parts will all 
     bolt on as well.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 02:10:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralllye350@aol.com
Subject: Re:  The list people and their cars

Craig Rose
Fremont, CA

'56 Super 88 Holiday Coupe
'65 442 Sport Coupe
'70 Rallye 350 hardtop
'71 442 hardtop

I need posi's for the '70 (3.23) and the '71 (3.08)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:42:14 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: Can i replace a gas tank myself??

I replaced the one in my 69 with ony hand tools and determination.  The trick is
to get as much gas out of the tank as possible before starting.  The empty tank
weighs about 30-40 lb.  Also be careful not to cut the fuel hoses when you put
the new one in.

Jim 69 442 conv

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:22:27 +0200
From: "archy van wely" <usicon@pi.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Holland
delta 88 royale town sedan 1976
archy van wely

- ----------
> Van: David, Terri and Rob <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
> Aan: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Onderwerp: Re: The list people and their cars
> Datum: dinsdag 7 oktober 1997 4:54
> 
> DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.
> > 
> > People                                        State
> >                                         Car or Cars
> > Jim                                               IL
> >                                      1970 Cutlass W31David					1971 442
W-30 convertible
> 					1970 Cutlass SX convertible
> 					1971 442 Sports Coupe
> 					1969 Camaro RS
> 					1971 Monte Carlo
> 					1997 Camaro Z-28 6 speed 
> 					
> 					greenwood,south carolina

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:06:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Mark Berube
Georgia
67' 442

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 06:24:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Josh Haviland
1972 442
1970 delta 88
1987 cutlass supreme

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__             
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 06:37:01 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

At 11:18 PM 10/4/97, you wrote:
Jim Chermack
66 442 Post Coupe (Bracket car)
67 442 W-30 Track Pac (48,000 mile orig)  
67 Cutlass Supreme Post Coupe (77,000 mile daily driver)
70 SX W-32 (48,000 miles departing soon)
72 442 Hardtop (83,000 miles beginning restoration)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:22:14 -0700
From: Chris <cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Chris Miller
Tustin, CA
(Presently stuck in Okinawa)
68 Olds 442

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 11:35:07 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: Re: The List People and Their Cars

Fred Orcutt
Idaho

1969 Delta 88
1972 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 11:50:20 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: Taillight Lenses 69 Full Size

Anyone out there with a parts car willing to sell a pair of decent taillight 
lenses for a 69 Delta?

Fred Orcutt
69 D88
72 VC
olds455@geocities.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 03:22:29 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Bumper parts

mrada wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was wondering how many rubber bumper fillers were used in the front
> and back bumpers say for a 68?  I know 4 (2 front, 2 back) can be
> seen while the bumpers are on.  How many are behind the scenes.
> When I pulled off my old damaged bumper, I counted three extra.
> Two small little ones and one big one all symmetrically placed.
> 
> Let me know.
> 
> Chris Sparks

This one never got answered....

Chris

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 07:26:08 -0600
From: Marc Hartler <MHARTLER@allstate.com>
Subject: Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca> 

A friend of mine asked:

  MARC, I HAVE A 1989 OLDS WAGON WITH A 307
ENGINE - CAN YOU USE YOUR RESOURCES TO FIND
OUT WHERE THE OIL PRESSURE SENDING UNIT IS
LOCATED ON THIS   ENGINE?

Can anyone help?
Thanks
mh

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:33:46 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: list people and cars

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

              (drdecal442@aol.com) or (mcornea@.ford.com)

			1970 W30 4-speed (red)
			1996 F-250 Crew cab Diesel (red)
			1997 Expedition (white)

            OCA# 4903 
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:33:22 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <3STICKS@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
> 
> People                                        State
>                                         Car or Cars
> Jim                                               IL
>                                      1970 Cutlass W31

Bill Gochenour		Long Island, New York

			1986 442 (mobile electronics show car)
			1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition (under 10K orig. miles)
			1993 Lumina Z-34 
			1997 Monte Carlo LS / NASCAR (her car!)
			1992 Linclon LSC Special Edition
			1985 S-10 Blazer (mint with 184,472 miles)

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
     Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218 /    | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
                                       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34                   |_|         |_|   |_______|
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34
                                              


        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 9/1/97)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:32:33 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: The List People and Their Cars

Bobby Etzel

Augusta, GA

92 Cadillac Seville
88 Cadillac Seville
70 Oldsmobile 442

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:40:59 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Another question

At 12:28 PM 10/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>It appears that my windshield has been keyed, and has numerous scratches in
>it from this vandalism.  In addition, the wipers have made some scratches as
>well.  I am looking for some suggestions for removing scratches from the
>glass.  JC Whitneys has a kit, but are there any other ideas.  Your comments
>would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Gary

Gary,

I purchased one of those window polishing kits from Eastwood.  It was
supposed to remove wiper scratches and so forth, and I had some good wiper
scratches on each side.  They were very careful to say that only scratches
that were so shallow as to not be feelable with your fingernail can be
polished out.  In other words, if you could feel the scratch with your
fingernail, it was too deep for their polishing kit to remove.  Well, the
scratches in my window were not deep enough for me to feel.  

But they did not polish out, and I really went at it.  Based on my
experience, I would not recommend trying to polish out the scratches.  Just
bite the bullet and get a new windshield.  It's what I ultimately did, and
it (of course) looks great.

Its dangerous to try to polish out scratches that are at all deep because
you end up removing so much of the glass that it gets weakened at that
point.  


Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:42:08 -0400
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: The list people and their cars

>Dave Van Sant
VIRGINIA
>dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
>'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme (Work in Progress)
>'88 Plymouth Sundance (782 Nightmare)
>'89 Chevrolet Astro (The Hauler)
>'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC (Giddy-up Go)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:43:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: WHEELS: 50 Olds

GRRRRRRR!!    Frustration!!  For some unknown reason I can't download digest
# 887!  The only time this has happened so far.  But I can see a couple of
replies to my question about wheels for my "50", and I can't read them.  If
you folks that replied could please send me private replies, it would help
lower my frustration level.

Thanks much.  I'm going out and relieve my frustrations by beating up a VW!
 (Just kidding, couldn't resist that) .     :-)

Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 07:46:39 -0500
From: Jason Beres <jberes@datamine.net>
Subject: Re:  The list people and their cars

Jason Beres
jberes@datamine.net
1983 Regency 98 coupe 307
1982 GMC Sierra 1500 (250-6)
1941 Chev Special Deluxe 2 dr Sedan (283 w/327cam)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:53:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE:The list people and their cars

<Subject: The list people and their cars
<
<Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.
<
<People                                        State
Cecil Smalley                                 Kechi, KS
                                                     1991 W-41 Calais
 

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:56:33 -0400
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

>
>
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
> order.

> Dana A Taylor

> Richmond NH, 03470

'97 Olds Cutlass Supreme 2dr V6  'Wife's car'
'84 Olds Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl.)'82 Olds Cutlass Supreme (403 4bbl.)
T-Tops'79 Pontiac 4dr (455 Olds 4brl)  'BIG UGLY'
'87 GMC Si.ierra 4x4 (6.2 diesel)    145,000m

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:56:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Fred Brussee, Chesterfield, MO

72 H/O sunroof car, 8K miles  XPSV-HO
72 H/O Indy Pace Car Convertible, 28K miles  (just sold- the 100th parade car
w/Linda!)  AS-NEW
70 Cutlass supreme Convertible (best of class, Atlanta 96)  BEAT-ME
71 Mercury Capri (13K miles)  XQIZIT
62 Mercury Meteor  (60K miles)  EVER-C1
90 Lexus LS 400 (113K miles)  Y-ABMW
92 GMC Suburban  (123K miles)  0-XLR8N
50 GMC 1/2 ton Pickup (work in process)
98 C-5 Corvette (notice I didn't say ch*vy!  - on order)

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