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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 24 1997    Volume 01 : Number 867



Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Another 455 Head Question.
Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)
Re: Fubar
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
72 Toro troubles
Re: Posi Identification
Re: Gregs Resto
Re: INTERIOR: Rear Seat clock in 72 98
Re: Posi Identification
engine ID ª's
Re: Haunted Delta
Re: surging
'64 Cutlass
engine heated
seat clocks
455 block = 425?!
Re: Haunted Delta
a WHAT datalog?!
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: engine ID ª's
Re: 69 4-4-2 Carb problems
Re: '64 Cutlass
Re: 69 4-4-2 Carb problems
Re: 69 4-4-2 Carb problems
Re: rebuilding olds 403
A Happy "Nipple" Ending
Re: a WHAT datalog?!
Re: Fubar
Re: Posi Identification
Re: Looking for a camshaft
Re: [Fwd: Another 455 Head Question.]
Re: 455 heads....again.....
U-bolt saga continues... and Req. for Neutral safety switch
Musclecar Magazine
Re: Musclecar Magazine
Re: bothersome H heads
Re: a WHAT datalog?!
Lots of mail
Brake parts wanted
Re: 4-spd pieces
Manuals...
RE: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re[2]: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88
Re[2]: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re[4]: "Baffled" (was: My 455 ª's (block ID's))
Re: '64 Cutlass
Re: '64 Cutlass
Re: '64 Cutlass
Burnigng Proms
Re: 455 heads....again.....
Re: Fubar
RE: Haunted Delta
List server command -
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Posi Identification
330 part
RE: Posi Identification

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:11:59 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

>
> The 425 and 455 use the same block
>
Hmmmmm.......Here I am out of bounds on this one, but if I recall, did
not the 425 use a 45 degree cam bank angle, vs the 455 39 degree???

Just wondering....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:49:30 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Another 455 Head Question.

Are Ka heads good on a 1970 455 motor. That's Capital "K", Lower case
"a". Bryceman's page says they are W-30/Marine/Toro heads. Any
comments/Facts.
                  Joe

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:31:01 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)

M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
> Haunted (?) Cutlass
>  Two weeks ago I was at a car show in Nashville (Indiana), and a guy came up
> to me because he recognized my car. A friend of his had bought this car from
> the original owner and did a ground up restoration. Apparently he was a
> fanatic about finding "correct" parts. It turned out he committed suicide 3
> or 4 years ago and no one knew what happened to the car. This guy told me
> that the friend is buried near here and there is a picture of him and the
> car on the grave. Learned other details as to what shops were used etc.
> Got home and when I turned off the car the lights on the front and rear of
> the console stayed lit when the door was closed, and so did the light over
> the conv top switch. They all glowed dimly.
> Went out after dinner to try and solve the problem. The car wouldn't crank
> over. Trying to jump start it wouldn't work.
> I removed the bulb from the front console light and the car immediately
> cranked and started right away. The conv. switch light and the rear console
> light still glowed however.
> Tried removing the rear console bulb and now the conv. switch light works
> correctly IE; on when the door is open, off when closed.
> The  sockets look clean (are new), and the bulbs look fine.
> Baffled too!!
> What kind of problem does this indicate? (The car isn't called Christine).

I actually saw a replica of Christine last year....it was a beautiful
car, for a Plymouth.  There never were any Furies with the red over
white color scheme, so this must've been a custom job.  I really liked
it *then*, but now I'm an Olds man.

It was a '57 Belvedere, which was a step below the Fury, but they were
near identical.  There was only one difference between the two, but the
owner had corrected it.  From the factory, there was no dual-quad intake
package for the Belvedere, but the owner scooped it off a '59 Fury.

The car was in excellent shape, and he wanted $4150.00 Canadian!  If I
had the funds available, I certainly would've scooped this car...all it
needed was tires, brakes, and a major tune-up...(which were the
identical problems on my Delta 88).

If I *had* bought this car, I'd have her for sale right now.  The last
line of the ad would read: "4000.00 OBO, or will trade for Cutlass in
exc. cond.!"

Not only is that the truth, but I had to have *some* Olds content.

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:21:42 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Fubar

AllNiteLng@aol.com wrote:
>
>        Fubar originated in Hollywood as far as I can tell. It was one of the
> lines Kurt Russel said to Sly Stallone in the movie "Tango and Cash"

Hate to pee on your parade, but the U.S. Navy Submarine Service used
this very word long before Tango and Cash was released.  That's where I
learned it, anyway, and that was a long while back.  Still meant the
same thing.  Military jargon uses a LOT of acronyms, so it wouldn't
surprise me if this originated in some federal government organization.

But did you know that one of the 69 H/O convertibles got wrecked at a
race track, and they had to build another one?  The wrecked one was
FUBAR.(Gotta make this Olds related somehow.)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:31:50 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 22, 1997 10:38 PM, Mike Rothe
> [SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net] wrote:
> > > > > Even though I replaced almost the entire brake system, the BRAKE
> light
> > > > > stays on.  I can't figure out why!
> >
> > I'm not claiming brake expertise here, not knowing the brake system
> > particulars on the D88, but the proportioning valve has a spool in it
> > that will activate the light if differential pressure is too great
> > between the front and rear. .......
>
> You are correct Mike. He needs to check to see if the proportioning
> valve needs to be reset. Unhook the wire at the valve and see if the
> light goes out. If it does the valve can be reset sometimes by pressing
> real hard on the brakes. Bleeding the brakes can cause this.

I figure that's what the problem is...I'll be checking it out tomorrow.
What I have to do is "fool" the proportioning valve, and cause it to
think that the other side is leaking as well, when it really isn't.

Let me explain a little better:  let's say that the prop valve thinks
the rear lines are leaking, even though they're not.  I've been told
that I will then have to open the opposite end (front, in this case),
and step on the brakes really hard, but stop when the light goes out.
That way the prop valve will think that the fronts are now leaking, and
will 'swing' the other way far enough to break the elec. circuit.

I've tried playing with the emerg. cable to no avail, so I guess it
rules that out.  I'll try disconnecting that circuit above the emerg.
brake pedal, just to see if the light goes out.  If THAT isn't the case,
and my prop valve cure doesn't work, I'll just have to live with a
cherry-red brake light!

Thanx for the info,

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:43:13 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: 72 Toro troubles

I have a slight delima.

I had a guy call today wanting to get rid of a 72 Toro (minus engine).
He said it is in good shape and is all there (where's the engine ??).
I can probably pick it up for $500, maybe less is I play his hand.

Ok, here's the problem.  I'm not sure my wife is gonna let me bring
another car into our home.  I don't think asking her is the answer
(easier to ask forgiveness that permission).  If the car is in good
shape and is all there, would there be anyone interested in the car
if she throws a huge fit.  I would wait a couple of days, but the guy
has a car crusher coming by on Thurs. to pick it up.  I am going to
inspect the car tomorrow at lunch.  I would rather see someone get this
car (even if for parts) than see it look like a 3'x3' cube.
I know better than to bring it home, but my love for Olds is just
too strong(is this spreding it on too thick, I thought so).

Any takers, let me know, soon,
or I my be sleeping in it(not such a terribly bad idea,
I have slept in my 68 Cutlass for a couple weeks,
but that is a different story)

Thanks
forrest
johnson@edisongroup.com
Plano, TX

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:30:13 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

> <SNIP>differential cover or lighting the tires up? Additionally, are Trac Loc
and > Limited Slip different than posi,or are they different manufacturer's
names > for posi?


Yeah, for the most part, they're just names.  But "posi" rear ends are
supposed to act normally during cornering, since the preload isn't high
enough to try and prevent the outer wheel from turning faster than the
inner wheel.  If it is, chatter sometimes occurs. (hence, posi
additive)  If on the lift one is spinning backwards while the other is
spinning forward, something is amiss.  The preload spring(s) should
keep  pressure on the clutch plates to keep it from doing that under
light load.  Hmmmm.....maybe the units aren't set up properly.  Don't
have a clue.

As far as rear ends go, check out the new issue of Popular Hot Rodding.
On page 72 there is an article about rear gears and nomenclature, great
for the beginner, and a few pages of manufacturer's for
differentials/axles/kits.  Really neat.


Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:34:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Gregs Resto

 Faded to
>purple?

Isnt that a song? Nahhh, it reminds me of the purple shag carpet occupying
the trunk of my '66 Toro - I'd say THAT'S vintage 66.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:33:19 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: INTERIOR: Rear Seat clock in 72 98

Or as I say about the clock in my '67 Delta 88 that runs fast (when it
feels like running) "its trying to catch up to the present".

I don't know what I'd do with a clock that A) worked or B) kept time.
Probably never look at the darn thing.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:54:50 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

<The first time I tried the test was when I bought my Bronco (hey, I've got
to haul Olds parts with something!).>

LOL  :)

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:52:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: engine ID ª's

the model of car it came out of.   The only numbers (other than cast-in)
I know of are the ID numbers stamped in the pad under ª1 cylinder.  This
will tell you that it's an Olds, year, manufacturing plant of the car,
and the last six numbers of the VIN.
Mike Rothe
===========

Mike, every number h*lps peg an engine's application. Esp. Carb ª & dist'r ª.
Intake ª if W30... W30 motors often had D code bores, A code pistons. There's
LOTSA numbers to help figure out what was what. Even casting DATE numbers can
help determine if all that stuff came as one motor originally.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:43:15 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta

Is this car haunted?
>
Have you checked on the older gentleman you got it from?  You don't suppose
he's passed on  decided he missed his car....?!?!!

Joking - never had that happen to me (yet) but it wouldnt surprise me the
luck I have with batteries.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:46:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: surging

This is the *new* '64 Cutlass.  I'm going to take it to get the radiator
rodded out cause it's dripping after driving & then I'll bring it home (the
other half knows about it now - no comment) and probably pull of the water
pump & pull the cover to check & put a new water pump on it while I'm at
it.  I do so LOVE working on a motor with NOTHING (but the basic basics) on
it.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:54:12 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '64 Cutlass

Looking through my Setting the Pace book the other day I noticed that the
'64 F-85 is shown with the 216 V-8 (aluminum motor).  Down a few lines it
shows the Optional L-something something 330 motor.

This car is starting to come across as kinda strange - its an F-85 (nose
emblem, dash emblem & horn button emblem F-85), with Cutlass emblems on the
fenders, and nice options like air, buckets and console and 330 motor.

Sounds like a car that was possibly ordered.  Who knows.  Guess I'll have
to pull up that musty-moldy rear carpet & go a-huntin'.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:53:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: engine heated

I haven't done anything to it since, but am about to check it out.  I plan
to check the timing too, but thought I would ask you folks what you thought
it might be.  I'm already banking on having the carb rebuilt, because I know
it hasn't been done in a long time (if ever).

So whatayathink?
===========

I think you toasted your motor, dude. you just described to a T a severely
overheated motor. What, no temp gage or "hot" light?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:56:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: seat clocks

Seat clock... back of front seat
==============
Funny, Darren & I just spotted a nifty 71 98 on the way to a boneyard, and it
had... a back-o-rear-seat clock. Come to think of it, so did a similar car in
the boneyard.

The 68 Toro clock worked... once. Then, the points fused together and blew the
fuse. Next fuse blew upon installation. Yanking clock wire allowed lighter
socket to work again [for cell phone, of course, and the rotating blue light].
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:59:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 455 block = 425?!

Somebody wrote...

The 425 and 455 use the same block
==============

Ah, not quite. There's at least two different 425 D blocks and 2 different 455
F blocks. The D's differ only if you need lifters or a cam; the F's difference
matters only if you need to use a manual trans with original Z-bar linkage. Why
not just use a hydraulic clutch...

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:05:41 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Here's one for you to ponder...
>
> Yesterday morning I went to start up the Delta. Interior lights came on
> when I opened the door, but when I turned the key I got a couple of *very*
> slow cranks, then nothing. Opened the door, no lights. Battery appeared
> dead as the proverbial doornail. Fiddled with the cables, interestingly
> the battery was warm. Went inside and stewed for a bit, thinking I had
> maybe an internal short in the battery because of the warmth. Also figured
> maybe I had probably killed it on Sunday while changing bulbs, leaving the
> doors and trunk open, etc. After work I went to try it again, same thing.
> Checked the battery with a voltmeter, showed 7.5 volts, figured it was
> toasted.
>
> Pulled it out (damn metric bolts!), went and got a new battery. Brian
> Smith came by to watch me install it. He got a chuckle out of the little
> droplets of acid that dribbled on to my hand when I had to tilt the thing
> to get it to fit (he usually is a nice guy). Hooked up the positive cable,
> then started to attach the negative. First turn of the bolt, I heard a
> little crackle? Saw no sparks, figured maybe it was dirt on the bolt
> threads. Second turn, definitely a crackle. We looked at each other...
> "hmmmm, must be a load somewhere". Third turn, the engine starts
> cranking!! Only problem was, neither of us was in the drivers seat and
> there were no keys in the ignition. Man, you never saw me move so quick to
> undo that bolt. Brian jumped, the trouble light went flying, lemme tell
> you, our hearts were pumping. "Never saw *that* before" we said in unison.
>
> We pondered for a bit. All we could think to do was to jiggle the ignition
> key to the start position a few times then try it again. I got elected to
> tighten the bolt again, and did so gingerly. This time it didn't crank on
> us, but the engine didn't want to start right away when we turned the key.
> I think it was just flooded though, and after a bit it started just fine.
>
> Needless to say, we were concerned. Tonight I tried it again and
> everything seems fine. Now I'm baffled. What would have caused the thing
> to crank on it's own? Sticky ignition switch? Could a starter solenoid
> subjected to low voltage somehow stick closed? Is this car haunted?

I must admit:  I don't like electricity a whole lot, and it doesn't
really like me either...my body always seems to be a good conductor.
Therefore, I don't *know* a whole lot about electricity.

One thing is for sure;  you've got a dead short in your battery, which
has likely cooked it like roast duck.  Either that, or there is a dead
short in the wires in the starter system, which will cause the battery
to heat up as well.  Before re-installind the battery, load test it.  If
it has any reading at all, charge it up, and load test it again.

That's about the extent of my knowledge regarding electricity.

P.S.--if there is no mechanical reason for your car to be acting like
this, try an exorcism...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:49:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: a WHAT datalog?!

Chris Witt oh-so-eloquently wrote:

GET AN ANAL CATALOG. Just call 'em up & request it. IT's that easy. If you have
ever tooled on ANY car, and intend to in the future, get this catalog.
===========

Crap. I meant to say,
GET AN NAL [as in National Automotive Lines] Catalog!

I doubt that an "anal" catalog would help much with tranny parts. Heh.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:08:34 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

Dave Ward wrote:

> I've tried playing with the emerg. cable to no avail, so I guess it
> rules that out.

Dave,  another thought, and just a thought.  Before trying the pressure
loss "fake out" on the proportioning valve, check the switch lead to the
parking brake pedal area.   The parking brake activation switch I
believe is similar to the door jamb switch, and either could be
misadjusted, or even shorted?????......always go with the easiest first!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:13:56 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: engine ID ª's

> Mike, every number h*lps peg an engine's application. Esp. Carb ª & dist'r ª.

I know, about the peripheal component numbers, but I was referring to
Doc Bob's reference to the block number.  As a complete package, true
enough, but if the block was bare, fresh from the dip tank, laying on
the floor, how would you be able to tell what car it came out of?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:22:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 Carb problems

In a message dated 97-09-23 19:37:11 EDT, you write:

<< I haven't done anything to it since, but am about to check it out.  I plan

 to check the timing too, but thought I would ask you folks what you thought
 it might be.  I'm already banking on having the carb rebuilt, because I know

 it hasn't been done in a long time (if ever).

 So whatayathink?
  >>


timing chain

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:25:00 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

> This car is starting to come across as kinda strange - its an F-85 (nose
> emblem, dash emblem & horn button emblem F-85), with Cutlass emblems on the
> fenders

Lisa,
I'm no 64 expert, but I've known a few people that had them.  They are
really cool cars.  Simplicity with class.

All 64 Cutlasses wore the F-85 badging as you described. (The split
T-bar looking red deal)  And come to think of it, EVERY 64 Cutlass with
the factory 330 I have ever seen, or heard of, had bucket seats and
console......coincidence?  I think not.  Don't know why, but I think
not.  I'm sure they made 'em with benches too, it's just that I've never
seen one with a 330 in it.  Call it motor-head intuition.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:30:32 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 Carb problems

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-09-23 19:37:11 EDT, you write:
>
> << I haven't done anything to it since, but am about to check it out.

Check the oil for burning, and prepare for the worst.  You may have
tried to sieze your engine after it got too hot, and something had to
give (rings, or ring land?)  An engine so hot you can't touch the air
cleaner?  WOW!  Did you try touching the heads?  How much water was left
in the radiator?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:36:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 Carb problems

In a message dated 97-09-23 19:37:30 EDT, you write:

<< 4) I have a clear in-line gas filter, and I had remembered from my old
4-4-2
 that sometimes when the filter would get clogged, it would really bog the
 engine down, so I removed the filter altogether.  This was what seemed to
 work.  I got it started, and it stayed running long enough to get it home
 (about 10 miles).  I really don't think the filter could cause all of those
 problems, besides, even though I made it home, it still ran like poop all
 the way. >>

        I had the same problems with my 79 c***y n*ovabut it was the filter
in the carb where the gas line hooks up to the carb. I don't know if Olds is
set up like hat but if it is it would be my bet to replace that also

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:42:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: rebuilding olds 403

In a message dated 97-09-24 00:34:20 EDT, you write:

<< a buick gn has a turbocharger on it giving it tons of top-end.  an olds
403
 is a slow turning, torquey motor.

 mikey tvb@aol.com
 73 cutlass w/403
  >>
The Buick Turbo is a torque monster more so than a hp maker. But a 700 hp,
3400 lb car in the high nines is a 700 hp 3400 lb car in the nines.  And a
403
turning OVER 9000 rpm is not a "slow turning, torquey motor"....TIM

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:56:03 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: A Happy "Nipple" Ending

What started out as a frustrating search for a simple "tap-in" nipple
for my W-455 intake has ended happily.  :)  Thanks to Brad Otto and the
internet!  The internet for voicing my need and Brad for supplying the
"tap-in" nipple.

For those who don't know, my 71 4-4-2 has a W-455 intake on it without
the hose nipple for the PCV valve.  The hole for the nipple was there,
but had a hollow plug in it.  The PCV valve was hooked up to the the
left side valve cover. (no biggy but I want the car to be correct)

Besides finding the hose nipple, I was racking my brain trying to
figure out how to get that plug out without taking off the intake, (hey
what can I say I'm lazy). :)   First I thought I would carefully drill
a small hole and insert a sheet metal screw, then use a dent puller to
yank it out.  Then a dowel rod with axle grease to try & get those evil
aluminum shavings!   It was the shavings that scared me off!  I hear
cams and other parts don't like bits of metal in their way.

So here's my "plan B";  first I tried an "easy out" but the plug wasn't
deep enough.  Ok, plan "B-2".  I took a 7/16" drill bit which was just
larger than the hole in the plug and carefully tapped it in until it
bottomed out.  Then crimped a pair of "vise grips" on the drill bit.
While lightly tapping the bit with my ford tool, (a hammer), I turned
the bit clockwise.  To my surprise, the plug came out with ease.  Wow!
I couldn't believe it!  My plan was the drill bit would "bite in" and
at least break loose the plug.  Because the plug was tapered, it popped
right out!  Now I'm a happy Olds lover with my cars vacuum setup
correctly!

Hope this method might help someone in the future!  How's that saying
go?...."Laziness is the mother of invention".

RC (didn't have to pull the intake) Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:07:16 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: a WHAT datalog?!

>GET AN ANAL CATALOG. Just call 'em up & request it. IT's that easy. If you 
have
>ever tooled on ANY car, and intend to in the future, get this catalog.
>===========
>Crap. I meant to say,
>GET AN NAL [as in National Automotive Lines] Catalog!



LOLOLOLOL :)   To go where no catalog has gone before!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:12:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fubar

In a message dated 97-09-24 01:04:58 EDT, you write:

<< >        Fubar originated in Hollywood as far as I can tell. It was one of
the
 > lines Kurt Russel said to Sly Stallone in the movie "Tango and Cash"

 Hate to pee on your parade, but the U.S. Navy Submarine Service used
 this very word long before Tango and Cash was released.  That's where I
 learned it, anyway, and that was a long while back.  Still meant the
 same thing.  Military jargon uses a LOT of acronyms, so it wouldn't
 surprise me if this originated in some federal government organization.

 But did you know that one of the 69 H/O convertibles got wrecked at a
 race track, and they had to build another one?  The wrecked one was
 FUBAR.(Gotta make this Olds related somehow.)

 Mike Rothe
  >>

Guys when I was young I remember Great Grandpa talking about his dad
and a lot of the stories of the old days. one thing I remember is a story
about FUBAR.  Dont have time to tellit now but I can tell you who the FUBAR
thing started with.......it was CUSTER.......TIM

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:16:10 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

>I have a question about identifying of differentials with posi. I was under
>the impression that a differential with posi could be easily identified by
>jacking both rear wheels off the ground and spinning one of them. If the
>other wheel spins in the same direction then the differential is posi. If
>the other wheel spins in the opposite direction the differential is _not_
>posi. However, I have encountered a couple of situations which cause me to
>doubt the validity of this test. The first time I tried the test was when I
>bought my Bronco (hey, I've got to haul Olds parts with something!). The
>wheels spun in opposite directions. Several months later, while I was
>preparing to do some brake work, I tried it again and the wheels spun in
>the same direction. I chalked the discrepancy up to poor memory and too

If the clutches are worn or don't grab for some reason, the axle will act
like an open one with that test. But aside from id'ing the rear by a code,
or opening the case, the only certain way to id a posi is the "two-stripe"
test; add water if the hp is low.

Oh, and those different names are basically describing the same type of rear
("positraction" and "posi" were used by GM). The one exception would be the
"locker" type rears, which didn't use clutches to lock the rear together,
but was stronger; OTOH, I believe that it was either locked or open, so it
was trickier driving through a corner with one. But it's late, I'm tired,
and I could be imagining all this...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:16:07 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Looking for a camshaft

>Somehow I am feeling shafted, I have been searching for a non-reground
>camshaft for a '64 394 engine.  Does anyone know where to turn?

You'd either have to find an NOS cam, or a new, uncut blank. I'm quite sure
that nobody is making new blanks for the 394's. You might see if any of the
major, older cam grinder might have one sitting on their shelves.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:16:12 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Another 455 Head Question.]

>Are Ka heads good on a 1970 455 motor. That's Capital "K", Lower case
>"a". Bryceman's page says they are W-30/Marine/Toro heads. Any
>comments/Facts.

Well, for one thing, the "A" will be upper-case, but simply smaller and
detached from the larger "K" (hence the "Ka" notation, compared to the later
"*A" heads, which had the "A" adjacent to and the same size as the number
(thus, "7A" vs. "7a").

Those are listed as W-30 _replacements_. They are reputed to flow well. Do
you have a set, or are you looking for a set?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:16:14 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 455 heads....again.....

>H heads were standard fare ONLY on the 71 442 W-30, as far as I've ever
>known.  Rare as hell, since not many were made anyway. (What, something
[snip]
>Dr. Bob Barry wrote about checking the block numbers to determine if it
>was a 442 engine?  DOC!!  Seriously, where are these numbers?  I've
>never found numbers, or are not aware of numbers on the block to signify
>the model of car it came out of.   The only numbers (other than cast-in)
>I know of are the ID numbers stamped in the pad under ª1 cylinder.  This
>will tell you that it's an Olds, year, manufacturing plant of the car,
>and the last six numbers of the VIN.

Right; and if the VIN doesn't match the car's VIN, it's not the original
motor, and might be a 442 block. I suppose it's more positive as a negative
identification; if the VIN *does* match, it's not a W-30 motor, and just
happens to have the heads (or one head) from a W-30. If the block VIN
doesn't match, and it's got a W-30 coded distributor and carb, and it's got
the right aluminum intake, then odds are that it's a complete '71 W-30 motor
in there. Sorry if I gave the impression that the stamped number would tell
you that it's from a Cutlass; as you point out, that's not the case. Too bad
you couldn't match the VIN to a '70 W-30 442 that happens to be missing its
original engine... :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:16:17 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: U-bolt saga continues... and Req. for Neutral safety switch

Got my U-bolts from Year One for my '70 SX, and... they're not right either.
As with the parts-store pieces, the bolts are about 3/8" too short. FWIW,
the parts listed in their catalog as NG20363 is in fact a Spicer product,
part ª 2-94-28X. Oh, well, off to check out the NOS ones that Everett has...

BTW, I'm still looking for a console-shifter mounted neutral-safety/backup
light switch for my non-dual-gate floor shifter for my early-production '70
SX. I need the switch and the rod that connects it to the shifter handle,
and maybe the mounting bracket. Mine self-destructed ages ago, and is
missing completely (I've soldered the starter wires together, but need the
backups to work for inspection).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:16:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Musclecar Magazine

Hello. A read a lot of car magazines and I am having a hard timing finding a
particular article. The article is about, "Factory Rated Horsepower and True
Rated horsepower." The magazine is "MuscleCar." Not MUSCLECAR REVIEW!!! They
list all of the engines, factory specs and state Real Horsepower. Does anyone
out there now where I can find a copy and let me now about what year and
month it was in? It looked like a great article! Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Jim
DROLDS350@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:31:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: STemple909@aol.com
Subject: Re: Musclecar Magazine

It was in their Aug/Sep issue. I have it......somewhere.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:34:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: STemple909@aol.com
Subject: Re: bothersome H heads

Good engine. I have the entire drivetrain (engine/trans) from one and the
engine is great. Still has plenty of hp/torque but can run unleaded gas (has
hardened seats). Doesn't smoke,has 175,000 miles on it, and all it has had
replaced is the timing chain.

Just my $0.02,

Shawn L. Temple

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 02:56:37 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: a WHAT datalog?!

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Chris Witt oh-so-eloquently wrote:
>
> GET AN ANAL CATALOG. Just call 'em up & request it. IT's that easy. If you
have > ever tooled on ANY car, and intend to in the future, get this catalog. >
=========== > > Crap. I meant to say, > GET AN NAL [as in National Automotive
Lines] Catalog! > > I doubt that an "anal" catalog would help much with tranny
parts. Heh. > > -- > Chris  B. Witt > *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes
'68 Toro, 442, and 442... > wittchri@pilot.msu.edu Boy am I ever glad you guys
explained this.  I thought this was the place you viewed and ordered all the
cr*ppy parts that don't fit or don't work.  You know, the place they send all
those bad parts replaced under warranty.  (Smiling, chuckling , gufffawing, et
c,
etc)

Don Sowers

PS.  On a more serious note, does anyone have a number or address for
this place? TIA

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:01:13 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Lots of mail

The people on this list sure wore out the web tonight.  Second most
messages I can in the last 4-5 months.  It's nice to see everyone
enjoying themselves.  Does anyone have an address for the National
Automotive Lines company?  Thank you for any assistance.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 01:21:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Coons" <rcoons@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Brake parts wanted

Hello all,

I've been lurking on the list for a couple of months absorbing all
of the great information.  Now I have a couple of question of my own I
hope someone can answer.

Does anyone know of a source for those "springs" that protect the
brake line?

I'm also looking for the brackets that retain the front brake hose
to the frame for 1972 Cutlass Convertible with disk brakes.  I think a
previous owner upgraded the front brakes from drum to disk.  Unfortunatly
(for me) he did not use the correct parts for the front brake hoses and
brackets. I have tried other years and models but could not find a hose
that would fit in that bracket.  In desperation got the correct hose and
filed the bracket to fit, but when I put it together the correct hose was
too short.  Aaargh!  It might have been ugly if I hadn't checked out the
length of the hose with the wheels all the way over :(.  I have not had
any luck junk yarding.  If anyone has any info that would help (other
years/models that have the same part) or if you just happen to have a set
of these brackets laying around, please e-mail me.


Greg Coons
1972 Cutlass Supreme
1972 Cutlass Convertible
and others not worth mentioning

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:27:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: 4-spd pieces

In a message dated 97-09-23 21:59:20 EDT, you write:

<< GET AN ANAL CATALOG. Just call 'em up & request it. IT's that easy. If you
have
 ever tooled on ANY car, and intend to in the future, get this catalog.

 --
 Chris  B. Witt
 *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
 wittchri@pilot.msu.edu >>

      Just wondering, what is an ANAL CATALOG?

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 06:37:47 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Manuals...

I am looking for some manuals:

For: 1987 Eighty Eight Custom Cruiser
     1991 Eighty Eight

- - Sales brochures
- - Assembly manuals
- - Service manuals

Please respond via my E-Mail below.

T.I.A,
Mike


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:22:50 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Idiot lights on Delta 88

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My car (84 Cutlass) had a problem with a Brake idiot light that was =
stuck on.  I couldn't figure it out, the shop couldn't figure it out, so =
they just disconnected it.  I'm sure the brakes are safe though.  I just =
paid Midas a wallet-full to replace the front pads and rear shoes and =
both rear wheel cylinders.  So I'd hope it's safe now!

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

- -----Original Message-----
From:Mike Rothe [SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net]
Sent:Wednesday, September 24, 1997 12:09 AM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

Dave Ward wrote:

> I've tried playing with the emerg. cable to no avail, so I guess it
> rules that out.=20

Dave,  another thought, and just a thought.  Before trying the pressure
loss "fake out" on the proportioning valve, check the switch lead to the
parking brake pedal area.   The parking brake activation switch I
believe is similar to the door jamb switch, and either could be
misadjusted, or even shorted?????......always go with the easiest first!

Mike Rothe
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 20:14:23 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88

Bruce Camilli wrote:

Dave,
Someone is jerking your chain. I just rebuilt the Q-Junk on my '75 Delta 88's
455 using a AC/Delco carb kit I picked up from the local parts store...

     Perhaps the problem is that GM sold off AC/Delco a few years ago
     (notice how the new logo doesn't say GM anymore?).  This would explain
     why the dealer no longer carries the part, but the parts stores do.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 20:16:12 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

how would a 455 be turned into a 425? i can see a crank swap, but didn't
they have differen't bore's?

     Nope.  Same bore, different stroke.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 97 16:23:10 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[4]: "Baffled" (was: My 455 ª's (block ID's))

Greg Beaulieu  wrote:

Joe, if we're talking about the same piece (and I think we are), one was
in my '68 350 from the factory. It used strip-type intake gaskets, not
the tray style.

     Well, now that you mention it, the parts manual _does_ call out such a
     baffle for the 330(!) small block, and goes on to note that this is to
     be used with the two-part intake gaskets (which I've always assumed
     were the fiber gaskets, as the price is listed as something like $0.59
     each).  I've personally never seen one on a small block, although my
     small block experience is severely limited (I've actually only had two
     small blocks apart, and neither had the baffle).  Does your motor have
     the large openings in the casting over the cam?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:03:28 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

At 08:54 PM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Looking through my Setting the Pace book the other day I noticed that the
>'64 F-85 is shown with the 216 V-8 (aluminum motor).  Down a few lines it
>shows the Optional L-something something 330 motor.

This must be a mistake of some sort.  The 216 V-8 was not offered in 1964.
The only engines available in the F-85/Cutlass lines were the 330 V-8 or an
"Econoway V-6".


Dan



*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:07:07 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

At 12:25 AM 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> This car is starting to come across as kinda strange - its an F-85 (nose
>> emblem, dash emblem & horn button emblem F-85), with Cutlass emblems on the
>> fenders
>
>Lisa,
>I'm no 64 expert, but I've known a few people that had them.  They are
>really cool cars.  Simplicity with class.
>
>All 64 Cutlasses wore the F-85 badging as you described. (The split
>T-bar looking red deal)  And come to think of it, EVERY 64 Cutlass with
>the factory 330 I have ever seen, or heard of, had bucket seats and
>console......coincidence?  I think not.  Don't know why, but I think
>not.  I'm sure they made 'em with benches too, it's just that I've never
>seen one with a 330 in it.  Call it motor-head intuition.

My Dad had a '64 Cutlass back when they were new.  It had bucket seats and
the 330, but the gear shift was the 2-speed automatic "Jetaway" with the
shifter mounted on the steering column.

In fact, back in 1961, what distinguished a "Cutlass," which was introduced
in mid-model year, from a run-of-the-mill F-85 was only that the Cutlass
had bucket seats.


Dan



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Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:01:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

In a message dated 97-09-23 23:58:29 EDT, you write:
 Looking through my Setting the Pace book the other day I noticed that the
 '64 F-85 is shown with the 216 V-8 (aluminum motor).  Down a few lines it
 shows the Optional L-something something 330 motor.

 This car is starting to come across as kinda strange - its an F-85 (nose
 emblem, dash emblem & horn button emblem F-85), with Cutlass emblems on the
 fenders, and nice options like air, buckets and console and 330 motor.

 Sounds like a car that was possibly ordered.  Who knows.  Guess I'll have
 to pull up that musty-moldy rear carpet & go a-huntin'.

 Lisa - my recollections on this year were that F-85 was evolving into
Cutlass identity, so that cars had both sets of emblems, unlike later years
when the F85 identity stayed with the low line cars.  My 65 also had both F85
and Cutlass emblems, and it was not a special ordered car.  Other members
probably have more information.  Somewhere in my garage I have a small stash
of original 65 Cutlass parts, and when I find them I will be glad to send
them to you (all kinds of silly stuff like a brake drum, power steering
rebuild kit, etc) or another list member who can use them if you can't.
  Enjoy Ruby, those 64-65's were fun cars.

David Wilk
OCA 4517

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:01:54 -0400
From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Subject: Burnigng Proms

Message text written by INTERNET:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>nvolved/required for burning your own PROMs?  I'd imagine it'd be a
computer based program with an interface for the chip, but I've never
seen any setups advertised.  Four years ago, I would have ~killed~ for
such technology, but never found ~anyone~ interested in doing
true-custom chips.  Are you using some equipment designed by NASA for GM
use, or is this thing readily available now?  Just curious more than
anything, but it is something I'd always wanted to play with...
<

All it takes is a standard prom burner.  I am using a Data I/O 2900 which
interfaces with a dumb terminal.  It stores prom code on IBM format 1.44 mb
floppies.  The REAL trick is to decifer the code or tables in the prom.  I
have figured out where the timing curves are and have modified that.  Still
haven't found the elusive TCC lockup table yet (BTW - Neither has
Hypertech).  I also have played a little with WOT fuel mixture, but it
seems to be pretty good in stock form.  Closed loop mixture cannot be
modified.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:10:34 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 455 heads....again.....

- ----------
> From: CRuper1@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 455 heads....again.....
> Date: Tuesday, September 23, 1997 1:41 PM
>
> In a message dated 97-09-23 10:38:06 EDT, you write:
>
> <<
>
>  Sorry about that guys.....something must have screwed up....
>
>
>  Anyway I was wondering if the heads off of a 1971 Delta 88 455, with the
>  letter "H" cast on the side were any good........or if I should start
>  looking for a set of heads??????
>
>  thanks.....Paul
>
>
>   >>
>
> Gee, uhhh, those heads are crap, but I'll tell ya what...   I'll give ya
a
> few bucks (say $50.00 for the pair), and you can apply that towards a new
set
> of heads.....  Just remember, I've got first dibs on them...
>
> Chris Ruper
>
> (<grinning immensely> large amounts of sarcasm included free)
>
Hey I'll be second on those heads but with a little fairer offer of a $100.
Or maybe you'ld want a rear spoiler as a trade.

Rob Schinkel





( Don't listen to others on what they are, just decide quick ,Cause  you
might find out the code matches to a 71 W -30)







> BTW, good (rare) heads.....  (ok guys, what was that, "H" is a marine
> application...?)

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:15:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Fubar

>       Fubar originated in Hollywood as far as I can tell. It was one of the
>lines Kurt Russel said to Sly Stallone in the movie "Tango and Cash"


>>Oh come on, it's an old military term , probably at least as far back as WW 
II

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:17:14 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Haunted Delta

Well,
Greg, Mick, if you don't find/fix your electrical problems, you
could always make one hell of a Halloween tour for the kids. Just in
time too (Oct. 31)

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:21:47 -0500
From: Charles Lundin <cblundin@flash.net>
Subject: List server command -

who oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:12:45 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

They came both ways

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 3:11 AM
>
> >
> > The 425 and 455 use the same block
> >
> Hmmmmm.......Here I am out of bounds on this one, but if I recall, did
> not the 425 use a 45 degree cam bank angle, vs the 455 39 degree???
>
> Just wondering....
>
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:59:48 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

>>I have a question about identifying of differentials with posi. I was under
>>the impression that a differential with posi could be easily identified by
>>jacking both rear wheels off the ground and spinning one of them. If the
>>other wheel spins in the same direction then the differential is posi. If
>>the other wheel spins in the opposite direction the differential is _not_
>>posi. However, I have encountered a couple of situations which cause me to
>>doubt the validity of this test. The first time I tried the test was when I
>>bought my Bronco (hey, I've got to haul Olds parts with something!). The
>>wheels spun in opposite directions. Several months later, while I was
>>preparing to do some brake work, I tried it again and the wheels spun in
>>the same direction. I chalked the discrepancy up to poor memory and too
>
>If the clutches are worn or don't grab for some reason, the axle will act
>like an open one with that test. But aside from id'ing the rear by a code,
>or opening the case, the only certain way to id a posi is the "two-stripe"
>test; add water if the hp is low.
>
>Oh, and those different names are basically describing the same type of rear
>("positraction" and "posi" were used by GM). The one exception would be the
>"locker" type rears, which didn't use clutches to lock the rear together,
>but was stronger; OTOH, I believe that it was either locked or open, so it
>was trickier driving through a corner with one. But it's late, I'm tired,
>and I could be imagining all this...
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
I have a 1985 442 and I tried the two-stripe test but I only got one. The
VIN states that I have Limited Slip. If posi and Limited Slip are the same,
why do I lay only one path and not 2? And, is Anit-Spin the same as posi too?

Shayne Horn
1985 442
1970 Rallye350

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:03:18 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: 330 part

Lisa Madsen's post about the 330 Cutlass got me thinking again.  I know
someone who use to have/ or still has a crankshaft out of a 330.  I have
no earthly idea if it was/is still any good or not or whether it fits
auto or manual.  Have no idea if it is indiginous only to the 330 or
other types may fit.  If anyone's looking for a 330 crank, let me know
and I'll look the guy up and see if he still has it.  I would imagine
it's still usable, since if it don't work, he'll throw it out.  I just
remembered him showing that item to me once, and I thought it looked
cute with the small throws.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:05:55 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Posi Identification

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Shayne, maybe your posi is worn out.  I have a posi in my 1984 Cutlass =
and it's not powerful enough to even spin one tire off the line, but the =
tail will sure kick out on a slippery corner.  But, if it's dry and I =
punch it in a corner, the inside tire chirps and squeaks, but doesn't =
spin too much.  So, I think that the clutches in my axle might be a =
little worn.  I had the bearings and seals redone about 6 months ago, =
but not the clutches.  I believe (limited knowledge here) that if the =
clutchs (clutch packs?) are worn out, it will act like an open =
differential.  By the way, I think every "posi" works the same, whether =
or not you call it Posi-Traction, Limited Slip, SureTrac, TrueTrac, =
Anti-Spin, whatever.  Don't quote me here, anybody else feel free to =
back up this claim?

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

- -----Original Message-----
From:Beverley Horn [SMTP:bhorn@tnc.com]
Sent:Wednesday, September 24, 1997 10:00 AM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: Posi Identification

>>I have a question about identifying of differentials with posi. I was =
under
>>the impression that a differential with posi could be easily =
identified by
>>jacking both rear wheels off the ground and spinning one of them. If =
the
>>other wheel spins in the same direction then the differential is posi. =
If
>>the other wheel spins in the opposite direction the differential is =
_not_
>>posi. However, I have encountered a couple of situations which cause =
me to
>>doubt the validity of this test. The first time I tried the test was =
when I
>>bought my Bronco (hey, I've got to haul Olds parts with something!). =
The
>>wheels spun in opposite directions. Several months later, while I was
>>preparing to do some brake work, I tried it again and the wheels spun =
in
>>the same direction. I chalked the discrepancy up to poor memory and =
too
>
>If the clutches are worn or don't grab for some reason, the axle will =
act
>like an open one with that test. But aside from id'ing the rear by a =
code,
>or opening the case, the only certain way to id a posi is the =
"two-stripe"
>test; add water if the hp is low.
>
>Oh, and those different names are basically describing the same type of =
rear
>("positraction" and "posi" were used by GM). The one exception would be =
the
>"locker" type rears, which didn't use clutches to lock the rear =
together,
>but was stronger; OTOH, I believe that it was either locked or open, so =
it
>was trickier driving through a corner with one. But it's late, I'm =
tired,
>and I could be imagining all this...
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
I have a 1985 442 and I tried the two-stripe test but I only got one. =
The
VIN states that I have Limited Slip. If posi and Limited Slip are the =
same,
why do I lay only one path and not 2? And, is Anit-Spin the same as posi =
too?

Shayne Horn
1985 442
1970 Rallye350

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