
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, September 22 1997      Volume 01 : Number 863



Re: 0-60 Time
Re: `70 442
Re: Body Bushing Interchange
Re: Fast-ratio steering box
Q-jet carb on '78 D 88
And who says AOL doesn't do anything right
Re: American?
Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88
Idiot lights on Delta 88
Olds Questions
Re: In Search of a new gas tank
Re: 67' 442 model from Lindberg
Olds for sale and Free Olds
Re: American?
Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88
455 heads.....
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: American?
Re: American?
Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88
Re: American?
Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
0-60 Time
Re: '78 Delta - Parts Request
Mid-Ohio show and 455's
Re: American?
Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
Re: American?
RE: 0-60 Time
Re: American?
Mondello?
84 98
Re: `70 442 vs W-30
Re: 0-60 Time
New on list with questions
Re: American?
RE: Mid-Ohio show and 455's
Re: Responses on Top
66 442 heads available?
Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
Block ID
Re: 70 Cutlass S Grilles
Re: Body Bushing Interchange
Re: American?
Re: American?
Re: 84 98
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: Responses on Top

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:52:54 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 0-60 Time

- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
> 
> Does anybody have a clue what the 0-60 time is for a early eighties (84
in my case) Cutlass 2 door coupe with the 307?  Cutlass than > > I've been
messing around with StripTun, but it's saying times like 11.5 seconds.  No
WAY!  

The '84 Gutlass I rebuilt a couple years ago ran a 18.6 in the 1/4. 307
3speed auto I think it had a mid 2 something rear (2.45?). The rocker
fulcrums were worn pretty bad (ticked a lot) so that could have slowed it
down a little bit.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:44:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Re: `70 442

What about the perfomance difference between the `70 442 455 and the `70 442
455 W-30? Would it make a difference if the standard 442 was equipped with
W-25 option? 
Thanx, Jamie

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:00:54 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Body Bushing Interchange

- ----------
> From: Lloyd Ferguson <cutlass69@usa.net>
> 
> I want to replace the body mount bushings on my '69 Cutlass convertible. 
I
> have a Chevelle catalog from a major distributor (who does not handle
> Cutlass) showing Chevelle bushings for about 30% less than any of my
> Oldmosible catalogs.
> 
> Does anyone know if they are compatible?
> 
> Lloyd Ferguson
> cutlass69@usa.net
> 

I would contact the distributor and ask them. When I did the bushings on my
'65 Dynamic I had a hard time finding the center link and asked about
getting one from an Impala and was told that the frames are basically the
same but the suspensions are completely different. I suppose this is one
disadvantage of not having a cookie cutter car like GM makes now.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:54:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fast-ratio steering box

Steve Dietrich wrote:

<<Don't assume that everyone here has driven a 60's or early 70's car.  The
newer cars don't handle the same and it's difficult describing the steering
slopp the older cars have.  I completed a frame off on a 70 C/S a few years
ago and someone asked me how it handled.  I said it handled like a car from
the early 70's,  lots of wheel play and lots of turns.>>


Well, obviously you haven't drivea mid 60's Cutlass which had almost double
the number of turns your 70 had!  Mate that with a wheel reminiscent of a
Delta Paddle Wheel boat and I hope you can envision what it would take to
respond in an emergency!  Hands and elbows everywhere.  Don't have it handy
but I think it was at least 7 turns lock to lock.

Actually, I installed the 70 box and 4-spoke steering wheel and my '67 steers
and handles a bunch better.  The urethane bushings and new shocks make it as
"tight" as any car I've ever driven.  Including later models.

Be careful comparing the turns lock to lock because the steering boxes
themselves have internal stops based on the steering geometry of the car they
are going into.  While you may have fewer turns, the actual ratio may be the
same.  You would need to compare turns versus actual front wheel
location/angles.

As best I can recall, the fastest gear boxes (on certain Trans Ams - right?)
only subtract one turn, are rare or cost a bunch over the counter ($600+).
 The '70 box in there now is a good enough reduction in lock to lock turns
and was essentially free.  From a parts car.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:54:42 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88

I walked into my local Olds dealership today, looking for a rebuild kit
for the carb.  Well, I found out some disappointing news...they're
discontinued.  I was told I had two options...either buy a different
rebuilt carb, or go to an aftermarket kit.  The guy who was supposed to
do the rebuild is the service manager there, and he suggests that I stay
away from aftermarket carb parts.  I agreed completely at the time,
until I saw the price of a new (remanufactured) carb.

I checked out two different carb rebuild kits at local auto stores, and
they're GENERIC for ALL Quadrajet carbs!  I couldn't believe it!  There
is no way that it could offer maximum performance on ALL Q-jet carbs.  

The price for a GM remanufactured carb is $175.00 CDN, which is pretty
reasonable...(I get all parts at cost, too!)  This new carb will make
the 350 run like a Swiss watch, because everything is new, except the
shell...the aftermarket kit came without a choke thermostat, which would
be essential in my case.  The choke is causing 75% of the problems as it
is, so re-doing the carb but not the choke doesn't make sense...

Could somebody point me in the right direction?  Should I buy the kit,
or the carb?  Or should I find a different *used* carb, and buy a GM
rebuild kit?  There's gotta be more than the two options the parts guy
gave me...

I can get the carb number if that would make things any easier.  BTW,
the parts guy said *all* '78 Delta 88's w/350's came with the Rochester
intake system.  Does that complicate things?

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC 4x4  (305 TBI)

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:07:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: And who says AOL doesn't do anything right

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Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:18:19 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: American?

- ----------
> From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
> << The last time I checked, Canada was still part of America.  
>   >>
> HI Tom,
>  im sure in MI that would b correct. But, if u live in the us, yr an
> american, if you live in mex, yr a mexican, and in canada, a canadian.
From
> my standpoint, if i got laid off by a us carmaker, and they sent my job
> north/south of the border, and i supported by family by making nissans, i
> feel its better for the american worker to b working ..period  ps, my
nissan
> truck was designed in California.  Happy oldsmobiling........
> Bernie

I hear Mitsubishi has a wonderful working environment in the Il. plant. I
bet most US auto manufactures have a lot better work ethics in how to treat
women than any Jap company.

Out of curiosity is there a reason you don't type complete words like us
Americans?

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:05:25 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88

Gary Manton wrote:
> 
> I have two questions that I will pose to the list for your vast experience
> concerning my 1964 Dynamic 88.
> 
> 
> 2.  I am looking at my 394 engine and considering doing a rebuild, but the
> parts  for the engine are a little extravagent,

There is a '63 (?) 4 door for sale in Chinook MT, supposedly has a
rebuilt 394, and a rebuilt tranny.  I think he wanted $900 for the whole
thing.  Complete car in fairly decent shape, I'm told.  If that's
anything of an option....
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:13:01 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Idiot lights on Delta 88

Even though I replaced almost the entire brake system, the BRAKE light
stays on.  I can't figure out why!  I jiggled the emerg. brake pedal up
and down, but the light kept glowing cherry red, so that should rule
that out.

Could I have more air trapped in the lines?  When I bled the system
after the major overhaul, fluid came out of the bleeder screws quickly,
and there wasn't many air bubbles.  I imagine I've got a small air
pocket in one of the lines, but I easily could be wrong....I've been
wrong before.  Either that, or the sender has a short in it.

Any suggestions?  The light is starting to worry me...I'm just waiting
for me to go into a corner at 90mph, throw out the anchors, and I lose
all pressure...and into the rhubarb I go.  

Could I add a gauge cluster to my car without changing senders?  I
almost picked up a trio of gauges today (temp, volts, oil press.), but I
wasn't sure if I'd have to replace any senders.  Would they work?  It's
got idiot lights for the GEN, OIL, HOT, but I'd prefer analog gauges.
That's one thing I like about my GMC Sierra...it's got a full dash,
minus a tachomter.

What about an aftermarket tach?  Are they a pain in the *ss to hook up?
I've seen a lot of people that have them, and I like the look of them.
The package says "Easy Installation" on it, but I'd trust Beavis and
Butthead more than an aftermarket parts company...

Could someone help?

Thanks, 

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.) ---> still got a few problems
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.) ---> 175K and counting
'91 Chev 4x4 (305) --->Can Hear Every Valve Rattle On Lifter Every Time!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:48:54 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Olds Questions

I have a few questions:.1) How much would a 1970 Rallye 350 in about #3
condtion be worth? 2) Did all Rallye350's come with posi or could you get
another rear end with it? 3) Does anyone have 1/4 mile times for a Rallye350
with a 4-speed? If you put higher gears (3.91 or 4.10) would the 1/4 mile
time be faster? Thanks.

Larry

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:32:20 -0700
From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Subject: Re: In Search of a new gas tank

MiLit... wrote:
> While on the freeway today, my '68 Delmont was assaulted by a piece of
> retread off the truck in front of me, creating a large gash in the fuel
> tank.  Does anyone know a good source for a new tank?  The car has a
> rear (license plate) filler tube.

Somebody gave me this # as a source for discontinued tanks when I had a
fuel tank problem-fixed my tank so I never called- "The Fuel Tanks"
1-800-639-4305.
No recommendation-just a lead.

Kevin O'Brien
78-98

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:54:57 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 67' 442 model from Lindberg

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
> 
> At 10:04 AM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hi Again Everyone,
> >I recall a post recently from someone regarding a new model kit from Lindberg
> >of the 67' 442 W30.  

> Mark
> 
>         I've got two of them. They were released two to three weeks ago.
> They were at Charlotte Auto Fair two weeks ago. Paid $11.00 for it. 
> 
> Jim Chermack

Can someone that has one (or two) of these please provide the Lindberg
p/n?
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:00:58 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Olds for sale and Free Olds

I've been meaning to post these for about a week but haven't had the time.

'74 Omega I know most of you don't like these but this car looks brand new.
It has 36,500 miles currently red but was originally tan, brown int.
straight 6 auto, hubcaps with bias tires (I think), straight, no rust $3600
its at a used car dealer I don't have a phone # but can get it. Salesman
said he didn't know anything about the car except that they bought it from
an elderly man. They (dealership) painted it red to make it stand out more.
They also painted the engine compartment and did a very good job. Engine
had all accessories and wiring removed and was painted red. The engine
compartment was painted eggshell black(?) and they did a very good taping
everything off. It looks like they were getting ready to show it not sell
it. Davenport Ia.

'64 88 FREE to a home that will put it back together. I talked to the guy
last monday and the story is: The car was bought new by his dad then given
to him, then his son who took it to his high school auto shop class and it
was disassembled and not put back together by the end of the school year so
he now has a car in pieces. I wasn't able to get much info from him about
the car (he didn't have time when I called him) but he took my number and
said he will call me some time next week. He made it very clear that he
will not part the car out and doesn't want to give to somebody that will
part it. 309-526-8441 (Orion? Il.) This is all that I know at this time.

'73 Cutlass I looked at this car about 2 months ago. At the time he wasn't
advertising it but said he would take a couple hundred for it. 350 4bbl.
auto, pea green, white vinyl, green int.(?), typical lower body, window
frame (rear and front) rust. Runs but over heats in 10-15 minutes. Brakes
and shocks have been replaced in the last year. Could be put back on the
road with a little work. Davenport Ia.

Typical disclaimer don't know, nothing to gain

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:56:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: American?

Sure, id love to see the $ stay here, in a way it does. The $ from buying an
american car made elsewhere goes to the greedy and stuipid CEO's. At least
when a foreign company opens here, it gives americans job to support families
and the economy.
>>>I love my canadian built olds (86 salon) but I wish a fellow american
built it. The CEO's dont appear to give a rats butt about us.
 It would b interesting to see what is better, foreign cars made here, or
american cars
made outside usa w/cheap labor.  Happy Rocketeering to all.....
BERNIE      rcktpwr@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:06:33 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88

- ----------
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
> 
> There is a '63 (?) 4 door for sale in Chinook MT, 
>     
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com

This has got to by a first. An Olds for sale in Montana and Charley hasn't
bought it.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:03:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: 455 heads.....

- -- 
University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Senior in Civil Engineering with emphasis in Transportation/Municipal
I am from Green Bay, Wisconsin.....graduated from GB Southwest in 1990
I also have another e-mail account....satan@watt.cae.uwm.edu
"FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, WE SOLUTE YOU"

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:14:40 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

- ----------
> From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
> 
> Even though I replaced almost the entire brake system, the BRAKE light
> stays on.  I can't figure out why!  I jiggled the emerg. brake pedal up
> and down, but the light kept glowing cherry red, so that should rule
> that out.
> 

Check the wiring and the switch on the emergency brake pedal

> 
> What about an aftermarket tach?  Are they a pain in the *ss to hook up?

Piece of cake. 4 Wires 
1 for power supply 
1 for ground
1 for tach light
1 goes to tach. terminal on your distributor

> '91 Chev 4x4 (305) --->Can Hear Every Valve Rattle On Lifter Every Time!
 
Mine does to('89 GMC C1500 ext. cab 4.3). I also get piston knock if it
sits more than 6-7 hours. That's Chevys for ya!

Daren

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:18:47 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: American?

- ----------
> From: tgstoner@umich.edu
> Your Canadian build
> Cutlass is alot more welcomed on the street where I live, than your
Nissan
> would be.
> 
> Tom Stoner
> Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
> Ann Arbor, MI
> tgstoner@umich.edu
> 

One thing I like about Mi. is the small number of foreign cars. The 70 mph
speed limit is definitely another plus!

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:10:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: American?

In a message dated 97-09-22 20:12:38 EDT, you write:

<< Out of curiosity is there a reason you don't type complete words like us
 Americans?
 
 Daren 
  >>
hi Daren,
 the typing part?? well im a lazy american.....2nd im not defending the japs,
and i dont care about mitsu..makers of the ww2 zero, there hq in ww2
was...hiroshima,
 Im just saying that my TN built nissan is supporting hardworking families,
not greedy bast. corp CEO's. I wish olds would have kept the work here, not
canada,
but i still love the car.(86 Cutlass Salon)
>no offense to my canadian olds friends......
Bernie.........USAF..83-87..travis afb ca

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:28:03 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88

- ----------
> From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
> 
> 1.  On the rear arm rest on the drivers side is a little black switch,
does
> anyone know what it is for?
> 
Don't know but since it is black and not chrome I would guess it was
something added to the car. Try tracing the wiring from the switch.

> 2.  I am looking at my 394 engine and considering doing a rebuild, but
the
> parts  for the engine are a little extravagent, so I am considering other
> options.  What would you do, a 425, 455 etc...
> 
I would think the money you would spend swapping the motor (engine
accessories, tranny, linkages, adjusting drive shaft lenght.....) would be
enough to rebuild the 394. An Aurora engine would be cool but probable to
expensive.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:24:36 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: American?

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

>>>>I love my canadian built olds but I wish a fellow american built it.

You're really testing my Canadian good nature with this one, buddy. 
I've got nothing against buying an American built car...aside from the
fact that it rusts out in four years!

S.D.W.

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:34:51 -0400
From: Nick <naugens@exis.net>
Subject: Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

At 02:54 AM 9/22/97 GMT, you wrote:
>>Hmmm... I disagree.  The "square headed" key normally operates the 
>>ignition only, the "round headed" key operates the doors, trunk, and 
>>glove box/console locks.  Been this way since GM switched to sidebar 
>>locks with multiple keyways per car.  ex. "B" & "C" keyways are used on 
>>my 71 4-4-2.  My 72 cutlass "S" was set up the same way.  (Square key 
>>ignition only)  Today's cars are the same, only the ignition locks have 
>>changed slightly.
>
>Hmmm, when did they switch over to separate door/ignition keys? It's
>possible that your door or ignition cylinders have been changed.

Of the 3 71-442's that I have owned, all had the square head key for the
doors and ignition. The round head key fit only the glove and trunk.

Nick
71-442
71-442-W30

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:34:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: 0-60 Time

<<From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: 0-60 Time

Greetings all.

Does anybody have a clue what the 0-60 time is for a early eighties (84 in my
case) Cutlass 2 door coupe with the 307?  >>

Um, somewhere between terrible and ridiculous? 

Just kidding.    :-))

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:37:45 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta - Parts Request

>> Here is what $69 buckaroos bought me today:
>> - 85' Gage pack for Eighty Eight series cars, I find these to be fairly 
>> rare, are they?

Greg Beaulieu writes:
>I would think so. I have one available to me here locally, dunno how much
>he wants for it yet. The same guy also has a red tilt-tele column setup
>complete with steering wheel out of a '78 he's trying to tempt me with. On
>the gage pack, it seems those have a 2-piece dash surround unlike the
>one-piece used on cars without it. Did you get both pieces? I haven't
>followed up on it yet since it seems like a bit of a pain with new sending
>units, etc. Be neat to have though.
It is actually a 3 piece. The 2 large "surround" woodgrain pieces and the 
gage pack fits within the LH side with four black phillips screws. Boy, 
was it a pain getting the wiring harness out! I had to break up the dash 
pretty bad... I certainly won't be putting the wiring back in as 
original, just route under the dash and out...

>A neat option to look for in a yard would be the door handle exterior 
>courtesy lights, the ones that come on when you pull on the handle.
I will be on the lookout for these! As far as the armrest pads are 
concerned, I have two rear RH's... anybody want one?


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:38:10 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Mid-Ohio show and 455's

Mark Prince (WMACHINES), Denny (another member of Detroit Street Rockets) 
and yours truly made a day of it to go to the Mid-Ohio meet in Columbus 
on Saturday. We started out late (thanks to me) and went on our merry way 
in my new Merry Custom Cruiser...

The trip was rather long and uneventful and the big Olds trudged along. 
We stopped to fill up with gas and I realized that I had a SERIOUS oil 
leakage problem on the valve covers (towards the rear). The little 307 
took a full 2 quarts to get back to the full line. I now know that I am 
going to have to watch oil very carefully till I can get that fixed (very 
soon!).

The guys also thought that I might have a miss so plug wires w/cap and 
rotor need to go on. The tranny (a 200r4?) also didn't seem to shift 
"just right", when I bought the wagon I suspected the potential of tranny 
service since the color of the fluid was a beautiful shade of brown...  
:-(

Soon after we got to the meet, we walked over to the swap area. It was 
pretty small but a fella had just drove his truck up and Mark noticed 
that he had a nearly new set of those Harland/Sharp Roller Rockers, no 
wear showing at all and for under half of what Mondello sells these new. 
They are mine now, really looking forward to installing these on my #5 
heads! I feel my hands on my 12 second quarter mile time slip get a 
little closer.... BTW, if anybody saw three fat guys with the Street 
Rocket shirts on, ummmm, that was us. I'm sorry, we are normal size and 
all those skinny folks are anorexic ;-P

Regarding the three 455's for sale that Joe Artwell's neighbor is 
selling, I bought em'. Mark and I will be picking up this Sunday. I plan 
on putting one in the Custom Cruiser (anybody done that, put a big block 
in a late 80's Eight Eight?) and will probably put one in my 72' Cutlass 
S. The last one I will probably put together and sell. If I do replace my 
350 small block, that motor may become available at the end of next year 
and will take 3,600 lbs somewhere in the 12's... The cruiser, by the way, 
is going to be my tow vehicle. I got a excellent condition frame hitch 
for it late last week from one of my GM Engineering buds (for free, the 
best price).

Whew, that's enough for now,
Regards,


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:37:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: American?

In a message dated 97-09-22 20:12:38 EDT, you write:

<< Out of curiosity is there a reason you don't type complete words like us
 Americans?
 
 Daren 
  >>
hi Daren,
 the typing part?? well im a lazy american.....2nd im not defending the japs,
and i dont care about mitsu..makers of the ww2 zero, there hq in ww2
was...hiroshima,
 Im just saying that my TN built nissan is supporting hardworking families,
not greedy bast. corp CEO's. I wish olds would have kept the work here, not
canada,
but i still love the car.(86 Cutlass Salon)
>no offense to my canadian olds friends......
Bernie.........USAF..83-87..travis afb ca

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:48:17 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

Nick wrote:
> 
> 
> Of the 3 71-442's that I have owned, all had the square head key for the
> doors and ignition. The round head key fit only the glove and trunk.
> 
> Nick
> 71-442
> 71-442-W30

Same as my Cutlass....

Boy, the list sure is busy tonight, after 2 hrs. I get 20 msgs, in 5
minutes I get 4, and now I've got another flasher going on right now.
Sheesh!!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 97 21:49:31 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: American?

C'mon guys... Did you all not read Greg Beaulieu's message of just a 
couple of days ago to keep the list On-topic?


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:46:42 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: 0-60 Time

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YOU BETTER BE KIDDING!!!

(Just kidding :-))

Seriously, it really doesn't FEEL that slow!  I guess it is the =
consensus here that it ~is~ that slow!  The only G-body that I can quote =
the 0-60 time for with any degree of accuracy is the Monte Crapload SS.  =
It was 8.3, I think.  I figured that a 442 or H/O would be similar and =
take away only 30 hp for my 307 and...a time between 9 and 9.5??  I =
guess it's not that easy.  It really does FEEL powerful.  I guess that's =
the 250 lb-ft, not the 150 hp!

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu


- -----Original Message-----
From:	BobH592058@aol.com [SMTP:BobH592058@aol.com]
Sent:	Monday, September 22, 1997 9:35 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	0-60 Time

<<From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: 0-60 Time

Greetings all.

Does anybody have a clue what the 0-60 time is for a early eighties (84 =
in my
case) Cutlass 2 door coupe with the 307?  >>

Um, somewhere between terrible and ridiculous?=20

Just kidding.    :-))

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)      =20
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:51:33 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: American?

Dave Ward wrote:
> 
> RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >>>>I love my canadian built olds but I wish a fellow american built it.
> 
> You're really testing my Canadian good nature with this one, buddy.
> I've got nothing against buying an American built car...aside from the
> fact that it rusts out in four years!
> 
> S.D.W.

Hey Now! Let's not start a war, please. I've seen this happen on other
mailing lists. Somebody says something harmlees, somebody takes it the
wrong way and verbal abuse starts happening. A list I was on was shut
down for that very reason.

Geez! Another e-mail!!!! Hold on, my next post will be meaningful......

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+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:56:18 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Mondello?

Hello fellow Oldsmobilers,

	Some of you own the Mondello V8 Tech/Ref manual and parts catalogue.
How good are these/will I be able to put them to good use? Some of you
must know, I've heard about the 20-22(?) cam and what not.

See, told you it was gonna be meaningful. I'd appreciate lot's of replys
too since I'm trying to make my funds go as far as possible.

Thanx!!!!!
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+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html

A.K.A.: Olds-Mediha!!!!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:56:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 84 98

I have a line on a really nice 1984 98regency.  Here are the things wrong with
it.

power seat right track is stuck.

Air and heat don't work blows outside temp for both.  Any Clues?

Other than that it is a gorgeous car in great condition.

$1,500 bucks

Tell me what you think.
Thanks

Doug H
70 CS conv't

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:45:17 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: `70 442 vs W-30

< What about the perfomance difference between the `70 442 455 and the
`70 442 455 W-30? Would it make a difference if the standard 442 was
equipped with W-25 option?>

Yes.  Somewhat, but not enough to compare with the mean old W-30, which
came with that standard. It was the engine component matching, not the
ram air alone that made the difference.  W-25 was available on all F-85
body styles in 1970.  However, it was not a major performance gain
unless you were going through the traps at about 100 mph.  I remember
back around 1984, I was reading in Muscle Car Review that the scoops
were pushing about 7" H2O at 100 mph in some tests.  That isn't a GREAT
amount of air, but quite impressive to say the least. Was better than
anything else they tried from the factory for the era. They recommended
that if the scoops were farther forward, the ram effect would have been
even greater.

Just some thoughts.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:51:50 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 0-60 Time

> 0-60 time is for a early eighties (84 in my
> case) Cutlass 2 door coupe with the 307? 
Bob Handren wrote:
> Um, somewhere between terrible and ridiculous?
> 
Have a heart Bob! ;^)  Seriously, Bob's sorta right on being terrible. 
If my memory serves me correctly, the 86 brochure lists the 0-60 times
for the 86 442 at somewhere around 9.0 flat.  I got one of those around
here somewhere.....UUUUGHHH!  And they were proud enough to put that in
there?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:14:17 -0500
From: Dave Burba <BURBA@docker.com>
Subject: New on list with questions

Hi everyone!

I have been lurking :-) for a month or two now and have been trying to catch
up on the
archive digests but there is so little time. It is hard enough just trying
to keep up with the digest alone. After following the list it almost seems
like I know you all personally and am truly amazed at the caliber of
knowledge that is out there.

A little history:
I bought my 68 Cutlass S in 1979 it was black with the green :-( interior
and a 350 rocket, I ashamed to admit it but I put in a 454 :-( (not sure why
just young and foolish I guess), but now it is history. I drove it until
1983 then parked it. I contemplated selling it a few times but just couldn't
bring myself to part with it, it still the best looking car I have seen.

I brought it to my friends shop (he has a recently acquired 1969 442) last
winter and started to work on it in my spare time, I removed the 454 and am
in the process of putting in a recently rebuilt 455 :-) which is stock from
a 1969 Delta 88 (which I have for parts if anyone is interested, pretty
rough shape).

I have so many questions to ask, the first is about motor mounts, I checked
with the local GM dealer who says the motor mounts are the same for the
years 65-70 and fit the 350/455. He gave me the p/n 401443 & 401442 which
means left and right are different. I then checked with a jobber outlet who
says the 68/69 is the same and there is no difference between left and right
and the 350 & 455 are the same, price qouted $15.00 each. I then looked in
the YEAR ONE catalogue and they indicate a motor mount for a 1968 455 as not
available, but have one that will fit a 1969. I also followed the string
about BROTHERS AUTO and the "motor mount" saga where Steve Kenny says there
is a difference. I thought the 350 to 455 used the same block so there
should be no difference in the mounting bracket among the "A" bodies.
Please help me get this straight.

My second question is about changing to HEI conversion. I searched the FAQs
but didn't find the detailed information I need. I understand the resister
wire from the ignition switch should be changed. What do I do with the
"other" wire, I think it goes to the started solenoid now. I also remember
something about the spark plug recommended for this change over, which is,
and the gag? The HEI is from a 1976 Cutlass with 350, do I need to do
anything to it?

My third question for now is about converting the old external regulated
alternator to an all enclosed one, again no info in the FAQs. Could some one
explain the rewiring that is required for this. What do I do with the wires
from the regulator? Which ones do I now hook up to the new altenator? I
remember a specific minimum amperage is required, what is it? 

My last question is about identification. I would like to know a little
about the car and the new 455. 
CAR
The car VIN is 3368781108497 the tag below the windshield is 
A51D55M31
St 68 33687 0S306123
TR 944 2-12-12 GG
MOTOR
The motor is a F block with C heads (would these be the big valves?)
# on filler tube 9187319. I thought there was suppose to be a letter in this
sequence?
# on right head, front 34M280766
# on head just below lower valve cover bolt at centre 394 548
# on block behind water pump 396021F 
TRANSMISSION
Turbo 400 OB, I couldn't find an OB in the listing.
 
Thanking you in advance.
Many more questions to follow.

PS
I am on the digest mode so it might take a day or so to get your answers.
Dave Burba
Brandon, Manitba Canada
68 Cutlass S

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:58:20 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: American?

Greg's gonna kick some American and Canadian butt if this crap don't
stop.  Who cares whether or not an Olds is built in Canada or U.S.?  As
long as someone is still doing it.  The only way to fix Nissan or other
non-preferred makes is to NOT TO BUY ANYTHING BUT OLDS.  Kinda like this
list.  NOT ANYTHING BUT OLDS. Go private if you want to hash it out
about US vs Canada.  Opinions are welcome, but not here on the OLDS
list.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:01:43 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: Mid-Ohio show and 455's

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Mike, I'd be kind of interested in knowing how those rockers work on =
your 5A heads.  I have those on my 307 and was wondering what can be =
done to make the thing more peppy, but still very driveable.  Has =
anybody else done this kind of thing on a 307 before?  Is it something =
that I can try myself.  It looks like a real pain in the rear to take =
either of the valve covers off, at least on my Cutlass.  Thanks in =
advance.

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu


- -----Original Message-----
From:	Mike Hall [SMTP:oldsmike@flash.net]
Sent:	Monday, September 22, 1997 10:38 PM
To:	Olds
Subject:	Mid-Ohio show and 455's

Mark Prince (WMACHINES), Denny (another member of Detroit Street =
Rockets)=20
and yours truly made a day of it to go to the Mid-Ohio meet in Columbus=20
on Saturday. We started out late (thanks to me) and went on our merry =
way=20
in my new Merry Custom Cruiser...

The trip was rather long and uneventful and the big Olds trudged along.=20
We stopped to fill up with gas and I realized that I had a SERIOUS oil=20
leakage problem on the valve covers (towards the rear). The little 307=20
took a full 2 quarts to get back to the full line. I now know that I am=20
going to have to watch oil very carefully till I can get that fixed =
(very=20
soon!).

The guys also thought that I might have a miss so plug wires w/cap and=20
rotor need to go on. The tranny (a 200r4?) also didn't seem to shift=20
"just right", when I bought the wagon I suspected the potential of =
tranny=20
service since the color of the fluid was a beautiful shade of brown... =20
:-(

Soon after we got to the meet, we walked over to the swap area. It was=20
pretty small but a fella had just drove his truck up and Mark noticed=20
that he had a nearly new set of those Harland/Sharp Roller Rockers, no=20
wear showing at all and for under half of what Mondello sells these new. =

They are mine now, really looking forward to installing these on my #5=20
heads! I feel my hands on my 12 second quarter mile time slip get a=20
little closer.... BTW, if anybody saw three fat guys with the Street=20
Rocket shirts on, ummmm, that was us. I'm sorry, we are normal size and=20
all those skinny folks are anorexic ;-P

Regarding the three 455's for sale that Joe Artwell's neighbor is=20
selling, I bought em'. Mark and I will be picking up this Sunday. I plan =

on putting one in the Custom Cruiser (anybody done that, put a big block =

in a late 80's Eight Eight?) and will probably put one in my 72' Cutlass =

S. The last one I will probably put together and sell. If I do replace =
my=20
350 small block, that motor may become available at the end of next year =

and will take 3,600 lbs somewhere in the 12's... The cruiser, by the =
way,=20
is going to be my tow vehicle. I got a excellent condition frame hitch=20
for it late last week from one of my GM Engineering buds (for free, the=20
best price).

Whew, that's enough for now,
Regards,


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442   =20
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:33:46 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Responses on Top

 I've been trying to figure out how to put my responses on the bottom since
I got this Prog. (Outlook Express). The prorgam is great except for this
quirk (which is probaly due to my limited knowledge).
If anyone uses IE 4.0 and has their response on the bottom, PLEASE let me
know how you did it.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: tgstoner@umich.edu <tgstoner@umich.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 10:24 AM
Subject: Responses on Top



>
>On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net> wrote:
>> Have you ever though how nice it is when you see responses to posts
>> with the response at the top of your original post.
>> Makes it real easy for everyone to see when they are clicking/deleting
>> down the list until they see something of personal interest.
>> . . .
>> TRY IT....... You'll like it.  I know I do.
>>
>> Any thoughts on this.
>**********************************
>Gary,
>
>I hate to see message responses at the top.  It's like listening to a
>conversation backwards, or reading a book from the back to the front.  It
>makes no sense to me.  I've tried it, and I DON'T like it.
>
>As for determining if the message's content is of interest to me, I use the
>subject line for that.  And when scrolling, I do so a page at a time.
>
>Thanks for your opinion though.
>
>Or should I say, though opinion your for Thanks?  ;-)
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:08:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 66 442 heads available?

I was at a yard recently, found an old 425 motor with B heads.. hey, what's
this, the heads have been replaced... Hmmm.... engine ID code V627306, that's a
'66 442 head! Yep, rocker pedestals have been shimmed... looks like they've had
a valve job done.

I can't afford to buy 'em just to sit on 'em, dang. Any interested parties
please contact me privately. They'd probably cost about $250 to make it worth
my while.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:01:59 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

> > Of the 3 71-442's that I have owned, all had the square head key for the doors and ignition. The round head key fit only the glove and trunk.

And the round head also fit the console lock.  What, nobody trusts my
research anymore?  I thought this was all settled when I posted that
listing of key blank usage a few days ago.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:58:20 -0500
From: aesanders@mmm.com
Subject: Block ID

Hello All,	
Does anybody know what an "s" for a VIN on a Possibly 83' 307 could be. 
It has a four barrel intake.  It doesn't showup on any of the numbers
that are in the olds faq's on Brycemans page. Thanks a bunch


				Alan

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:13:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass S Grilles

In a message dated 97-09-21 23:58:45 EDT, you write:

> I think I
>  may know where I can get my hands on a real decent pair of either 70 442
>  or Cutlass grilles.

Great!  I'm crossing my fingers.  I would really like to have the original
"S" grilles though.  Thanks for checking.

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (LG4 305, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:15:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: Body Bushing Interchange

> I want to replace the body mount bushings on my '69 Cutlass convertible. 
I
> have a Chevelle catalog from a major distributor (who does not handle
> Cutlass) showing Chevelle bushings for about 30% less than any of my
> Oldmosible catalogs.
> 
> Does anyone know if they are compatible?
> 
>          They should fit but be warned - you get what you pay for !!!!!!!
	Do they include the metal washers and what are they made of.

				The general>>>

Amen to that.  About a year ago a list member changed his mounts and the
"new" ones started splitting in less than a year.  Something about year one -
one year as I recall.

My motto is "Unless you are doing a concours restoration for a museum, if the
original stuff still works (GM used the best) don't throw it away without
doing a bit of thinking and a lot of checking."

Kinda long motto. :-)  But it's sure done me well over the years.  If it
ain't broke, I try not to fix it, unless it makes the car go faster of
course.  

Replacing body bushings twice on the same car is definitely not on my list of
things I would like to do before I die.

If you absolutely must replace them I hope using a GM Resotration Parts
certified supplier might be better than a cheaper alternative.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:20:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: American?

In a message dated 97-09-22 22:00:41 EDT, you write:

<< C'mon guys... Did you all not read Greg Beaulieu's message of just a 
 couple of days ago to keep the list On-topic?
  >>
A little non-olds talk is ok once in a while, to bad there isnt an olds chat
room!!
Bernie

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:25:28 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: American?

Matt Cremean wrote:

> Hey Now! Let's not start a war, please. I've seen this happen on other
> mailing lists. Somebody says something harmlees, somebody takes it the
> wrong way and verbal abuse starts happening. A list I was on was shut
> down for that very reason.

I'm not trying to add fuel to the fire...not at all.  What I was trying
to get across was the fact that a US-built car is the same thing as a
Canadian built car...it's just that some of them had a long way to
travel before they reached the showroom floor.  I wasn't trying to put
down American Oldsmobiles...the Canadian ones rust out just as bad, if
not worse.

Nah, I agree;  the last thing we need on the list is problems.  

All apologies,

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:25:48 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 84 98

> 
> Air and heat don't work blows outside temp for both.  Any Clues?
> 
Check the heater hose that goes into the dash and out of the dash 
from the engine compartment, if these are on wrong, thats all you get 
is fresh air return. Or, its also possible the heater core is 
fubared, but from my experience from used cars is, someone goes and 
changes the hoses thinking there doing good, and get those two mixed 
up.


- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:28:39 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

> > Even though I replaced almost the entire brake system, the BRAKE light
> > stays on.  I can't figure out why!  I jiggled the emerg. brake pedal up
> > and down, but the light kept glowing cherry red, so that should rule
> > that out.
> > 
> 
> Check the wiring and the switch on the emergency brake pedal
> 
> > 
Ditto, I had the same thing happen, did a COMPLETE, and I do mean 
COMPLETE brake job, replaced everything, lines, rotors, cables, pads, 
shoes, master cylinder, and of all the dumb *ss things I didn't 
check, the wiring. I have a 78 Delta 88, not sure what year yours is. 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:27:03 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Responses on Top

My approach works nice when you have already read the original
headers and messages, which is normally the case, isn't it??

Or as you say.....own his each To.

tgstoner@umich.edu wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net> wrote:
> > Have you ever though how nice it is when you see responses to posts
> > with the response at the top of your original post.
> > Makes it real easy for everyone to see when they are clicking/deleting
> > down the list until they see something of personal interest.
> > . . .
> > TRY IT....... You'll like it.  I know I do.
> >
> > Any thoughts on this.
> **********************************
> Gary,
> 
> I hate to see message responses at the top.  It's like listening to a
> conversation backwards, or reading a book from the back to the front.  It
> makes no sense to me.  I've tried it, and I DON'T like it.
> 
> As for determining if the message's content is of interest to me, I use the
> subject line for that.  And when scrolling, I do so a page at a time.
> 
> Thanks for your opinion though.
> 
> Or should I say, though opinion your for Thanks?  ;-)
> 
> Tom Stoner
> Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
> Ann Arbor, MI
> tgstoner@umich.edu

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