
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, September 27 1997     Volume 01 : Number 872



Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
email
Re: Olds Alum. Heads - Update
Federal Trade Commission settlement regarding Slick 50 (long)
Re: Thanks about info on slick 50 & duralube
Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
Re: FS 72 H/O
Re: Rallye 350 Chapter
Re: Rallye 350 Chapter
Re: Shifter question
Re: Shifter question
RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work? -Reply
Mark Prince's Car on My Classic Car
Re: 72 442 back from trans shop
Texas A&M Truck
Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work? 
Texas A&M Truck
Andy Green shatters world land speed record
Re: Texas A&M Truck
speedometer drive Gear
Drag Racing
RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work?
Re: speedometer drive Gear
RE: Original Keys - Finding "key code"
Re: 72 442 back from trans shop 
Re: please stop the e-mails
Re: speedometer drive Gear
bridge over troubled rockers
Hood Hinges
?'s about soldering body panels
Re: Mondello?
Re: how to bring back that gold shine
Re: Rallye 350 Chapter
RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work? -Reply
Rip off???
There's my car!
Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work? 
Re: 72 442 back from trans shop 
Re: Andy Green shatters world land speed record
Found 72 service manual tonight
Re: FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site
Knock Sensor
Octane boosting
Re: bridge over troubled rockers
Re: There's my car!
RE: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Thanks about info on slick 50 & duralube
88 Cutlass Supreme Service manual
Re: There's my car!
Re: There's my car!

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:30:30 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

you guys made some very interesting points about those 'snake oils'. how
is 'marvel mystery oil'?

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Les767@aol.com
Subject: email

please remove from oldsmobile

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 08:56:15 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Alum. Heads - Update

> SEMA starts on November 4, but where will it be located?
> 
> Thanks
>  >>
>"LOST WAGES, NEVADA"......Viva Las Vegas
>
I believe it will be in the Las Vegas Hilton Convention Center.  The Sands
Convention Center was also used last year, I don't know if they will use it
again this year.  Last year was a blast.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:11:09 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Federal Trade Commission settlement regarding Slick 50 (long)

> Thanks to everyone that responded!  I don't even think I'll try it in 
> my truck, (GMC 1500) or the wife's car, (Olds Achieva).
>
> Think I'll show the boys at work this information.  :o

Here's what you can show the boys at work. Normally I would have just
tossed in the URL and left it at that, but not everyone has web access
and this subject has gone on long enough.  :-)

This was taken directly from the following site. I verified that the
URL is still correct just now.

[quote...]
http://www.ftc.gov/WWW/opa/9707/slick.htm
============================================
FOR RELEASE: JULY 23, 1997
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

QUAKER STATE SUBSIDIARIES SETTLE FTC CHARGES AGAINST SLICK 50
Agreement Safeguards $10 Million in Redress to Consumers

Three subsidiaries of Quaker State Corp. have agreed to settle Federal
Trade Commission charges that ads for Quaker State's Slick 50 Engine
Treatment were false and unsubstantiated. Under the terms of the
settlement, the companies will be barred from making certain claims and
required to have substantiation for claims about the performance,
benefits, efficacy or attributes of their engine lubricant products. In
addition, the settlement will preserve the Commission's option to seek
consumer redress if class action suits currently being litigated against
Quaker State and its subsidiaries result in less than $10 million in
consumer redress.

The three Quaker State subsidiaries named in the settlement are Blue
Coral, Inc., Blue Coral-Slick 50, Inc., and Blue Coral-Slick 50, Ltd.
Blue Coral, Inc., is based in Cleveland, Ohio. Since its 1978
introduction, Slick 50 has about 30 million users world-wide and retails
for about $18 a quart. The company claims to have about 60% of the engine
treatment market.

In July, 1996, the FTC issued a complaint against four now-defunct Quaker
State subsidiaries, which have been succeeded in interest by the three
subsidiaries named in the settlement. The FTC's 1996 complaint charged
that ads for Slick 50 claiming improved engine performance and reduced
engine wear were deceptive. According to the 1996 complaint, Quaker
State's subsidiaries aired television and radio commercials and published
brochures carrying claims such as:

- --"Every time you cold start your car without Slick 50 protection, metal
grinds against metal in your engine";

- --"With each turn of the ignition you do unseen damage, because at cold
start-up most of the oil is down in the pan. But Slick 50's unique
chemistry bonds to engine parts. It reduces wear up to 50% for 50,000
miles";

- --"What makes Slick 50 Automotive Engine Formula different is an advanced
chemical support package designed to bond a specially activated PTFE to
the metal in your engine."

According to the FTC complaint, these claims and similar ones falsely
represented that without Slick 50, auto engines generally have little or
no protection from wear at start-up and commonly experience premature
failure caused by wear. In fact, the complaint alleged, most automobile
engines are adequately protected from wear at start-up when they use
motor oil as recommended in the owner's manual. Moreover, it is uncommon
for engines to experience premature failure caused by wear, whether they
have been treated with Slick 50 or not, according to the FTC. Finally,
the FTC alleged that Slick 50 neither coats engine parts with a layer of
PTFE nor meets military specifications for motor oil additives, as
falsely claimed.

The FTC complaint also charged that Slick 50 lacked substantiation for
advertising claims that, compared to motor oil alone, the product:

- --reduces engine wear;

- --reduces engine wear by more than 50%;

- --reduces engine wear by up to 50%;

- --reduces engine wear at start-up;

- --extends the duration of engine life;

- --lowers engine temperatures;

- --reduces toxic emissions;

- --increases gas mileage; and

- --increases horsepower.

In addition, the complaint alleged that the company did not have adequate
substantiation for its advertising claims that one treatment of Slick 50
continues to reduce wear for 50,000 miles and that it has been used in a
significant number of U.S. Government vehicles.

Finally, the complaint challenged ads stating that "tests prove" the
engine wear reduction claims make by Slick 50. In fact, according to the
FTC complaint, tests do not prove that Slick

50 reduces engine wear at start up, or by 50%, or that one treatment
reduces engine wear for 50,000 miles.

The agreement to settle the FTC charges bars any claims that:

- --engines lack protection from wear at start-up unless they have been
treated with Slick 50 or a similar PTFE product;

- --engines commonly experience premature failure caused by wear unless
they are treated with Slick 50 or a similar PTFE product; or,

- --Slick 50 or a similar PTFE product coats engine parts with a layer of
PTFE.

In addition, the agreement will prohibit misrepresentations that Slick 50
or any engine lubricant meets the standards of any organization and
misrepresentations about tests or studies.

The settlement also prohibits any claims about the performance, benefits,
efficacy, attributes or use of engine lubricants unless Quaker State's
subsidiaries possess and rely on competent and reliable evidence to
substantiate the claims. In addition, it prohibits the Quaker State
subsidiaries from claiming that any other Slick 50 motor vehicle
lubricant reduces wear on a part, extends the part's life, lowers engine
temperature, reduces toxic emissions, increases gas mileage or increases
horsepower unless they can substantiate the claim. The subsidiaries also
will be required to notify resellers of the product about the settlement
with the FTC and the restrictions on advertising claims.

Finally, the agreement holds open the option that the FTC may seek
consumer redress. If the private class action suits against Slick 50
currently under litigation do not result in at least $10 million in
redress to consumers, the agency reserves its right to file its own
federal district court action for consumer redress. In addition, the FTC
has reserved its right to seek to intervene in any class action suit to
oppose a settlement it believes is not in the public interest.

The Commission vote to approve the proposed consent agreement was 5-0. A
summary of the agreement will be published in the Federal Register
shortly and will be subject to public comment for 60 days, after which
the Commission will decide whether to make it final. Comments should be
addressed to the FTC, Office of the Secretary, 6th Street and
Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580.

NOTE: A consent agreement is for settlement purposes only and does not
constitute an admission of a law violation. When the Commission issues a
consent order on a final basis, it carries the force of law with respect
to future actions. Each violation of such an order may result in a civil
penalty of $11,000.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------

Copies of the complaint, consent agreement, an analysis to aid public
comment and an FTC brochure, "Penny Wise or Pump Fuelish" are available
on the Internet at the FTC's World Wide Web site at: http://www.ftc.gov
and also from the FTC's Public Reference Branch, Room 130, 6th Street and
Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202-326-2222; TTY for
the hearing impaired 202-326-2502. To find out the latest news as it is
announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710.

# # #

MEDIA CONTACT:

Claudia Bourne Farrell
Office of Public Affairs
202-326-2181
 
STAFF CONTACT:

Elaine D. Kolish or Mary K. Engle
Bureau of Consumer Protection
202-326-3042 or 202-326-3161

(FTC File No. D09280) (slick)
[...end quote]

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:10:47 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Thanks about info on slick 50 & duralube

>About synthetic oil, I was planning on changing over to this, since I 
>hear so many good things about it.  That has changed too!  (It's that 
>oil leak thing Dave Ward talked about.)  The engine gets dirty fast 
>enough!  

I'll have to second this; I switched over to synthetic at the second oil
change on my brand-new rebuilt 403, about 9 months old. RAC gaskets that
were perfectly happy with non-synthetic oil were *dripping* the synthetic! I
can't imagine what an older engine would leak like. I tightened the RAC a
bit and that solved the problem, but yeah, it will create new leaks where
there were none before.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:10:45 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

>FWIW, I've used Restore in my 77 Buick LeSabre.  Parents bought 
>the car brand new and eventually gave it to me.  It has a 350 
>Olds motor (original) with approx. 160K miles with the only 
>internal things replaced being rocker arms and pushrods at approx 80K.  

"Restore" is the only oil additive that I've tried that actually did
something. I had around 180,000-200,000 miles on my 403-powered Electra when
I tried this, and just to make sure it did something, I did a
before-and-after compression test. I was averaging around 115psi per
cylinder before, and around 140psi after. I did notice that it burned less
oil, but the rings on my #7 cylinder were so shot that it didn't improve the
readings on that cylinder at all. Of course, I believe it's only good till
you change the oil, and at $12/treatment, I found it cheaper to keep a case
of oil in the trunk and add a quart every 2-3 weeks. I also kept a pack of 8
spark plugs gapped and ready in there with the oil, along with a spark-plug
socket, so I could change #7 when it fouled on a long trip (usually once
every 125 miles or so). Got good at it; down to about five minutes from
shutting off the engine to starting it back up again (again, an $8 pack of
plugs was cheaper than a $2000 rebuild, and being in grad school at the
time, living in an apartment, I had little choice).

When I did rebuild it at 220,000 miles, though, it did have a ridge, despite
that single use of "Restore"... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:10:46 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

>Great information. I don't use these products in my cars. I have a
>question? In most of the commercials for these products they show an
>engine with no oil, no water, no oil pan and such. They run the engine
>with no load and it doesn't overheat or lock up. I don't think it is

Well, spraying water all over it might serve to cool it off...

>because of these products either. Would just running the engine with a
>good oil provide the same results? Is there some trick they are using to
>do this?

I've always wondered how long the engine actually runs like that. Do they
tear it down to check the conditions of the bearings after they do this? I's
like to see a side-by-side comparison of such an engine, and one that hasn't
received the same treatment. I'm always a skeptic when someone's trying to
sell me something.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:13:33 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: FS 72 H/O

>*** 1972 H/O coupe for sale $3000, in Annandale VA (703)922-8581 - Nick Marks
[snip of a car I'd like to buy; but that applies to virtually any Olds...]
>I'm going to take a look at it on Saturday, mostly just for something to
>do.  I don't have any plans to buy it myself.
>
>He's also got a set of Goodyear G60 polyglass tires for sale that he thinks
>someone might be interested in for show cars, since these are original
>style tires, and he says that they don't make them anymore.

Well, Goodyear doesn't, but Coker will gladly sell you as many as you want,
brand new, without the dry-rot of 25 year old tires. Their catalog is very
impressive, if you're into restoring cars.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:57:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 Chapter

i also belong, its a nice club, good people
Bernie
Cranford nj

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:19:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 Chapter

i have rallye 350 , would like to join a club for them.  steven .
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 13:26:33 EDT
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Shifter question

Lisa wrote:
> Shifter question - I have the t-type big handle on the '64, it appears its
>  supposed to have a top button or ?? to depress to pull it back into gear.
>  This part is gone.  What did it look like?  On my '67 it was a big round
>  ball with the little t-bar piece.  What are my chances of finding one?

The T-handle has 2 maroon colored plastic pieces, one on either side
of the handle.   The right side doesn't move at all, the left side is the
button to unlock the shifter to move it out of Park and Reverse.
There is a set screw underneath the handle that holds it to the shifter
stick.

Inside the handle is a "piston" that moves in the bore of the handle,
this piston pushs two little wheels that are attached to an arm that
pushs the rod down the center shaft.  the whole thing is spring loaded.
the little piston is made out of pot metal and usually cracks.  Once its 
cracked its hard to get the shifter back together correctly.  Of the
64 cultasses I know of in junkyards, the shifters are all gone.  Try
calling old car parts in portland, ore. 800-886-7277.  or maybe old
car city in cartersville ga 770-382-6141.   Let 'em know you sent ya.


Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass 
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart 
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:01:35 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Shifter question

One other note, Ch*vy, P*ntiac, and B*ick shifters will not 
interchange, tried that arleady too for a quick fix.


> Lisa wrote:
> > Shifter question - I have the t-type big handle on the '64, it appears its
> >  supposed to have a top button or ?? to depress to pull it back into gear.
> >  This part is gone.  What did it look like?  On my '67 it was a big round
> >  ball with the little t-bar piece.  What are my chances of finding one?
> 
> The T-handle has 2 maroon colored plastic pieces, one on either side
> of the handle.   The right side doesn't move at all, the left side is the
> button to unlock the shifter to move it out of Park and Reverse.
> There is a set screw underneath the handle that holds it to the shifter
> stick.
> 
> Inside the handle is a "piston" that moves in the bore of the handle,
> this piston pushs two little wheels that are attached to an arm that
> pushs the rod down the center shaft.  the whole thing is spring loaded.
> the little piston is made out of pot metal and usually cracks.  Once its 
> cracked its hard to get the shifter back together correctly.  Of the
> 64 cultasses I know of in junkyards, the shifters are all gone.  Try
> calling old car parts in portland, ore. 800-886-7277.  or maybe old
> car city in cartersville ga 770-382-6141.   Let 'em know you sent ya.
> 
> 
> Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass 
> http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart 
> Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car
> 
> 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:27:40 -0500
From: Forrest Johnson <forrest_johnson@intervoice.com>
Subject: RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work? -Reply

>>Well, spraying water all over it might serve to cool it off...


Water can also act as a lubricant.  Although it's boiling point is
too low for long term use, it can be circulated through a motor
too keep the metal to metal situations to a minumum.
Not recomended for the average motor (snicker, laugh)
only for commercials and bad boat drivers.

Something to ponder:  how much protection can you get by
adding oil to the gass.  yes it burns and smokes, but some of it
will be left behind to lube the top end.  

Also: "we drained the oil and added only this much".  Hey, it
could be a side oiler or an external pump/sump motor.  In
this case, just how much does the pan need ???

Just something to chew on while watching some of the 
commercials/infomercials.  They don't always tell everything..
No way, there always completely honest!!!!

Forrest

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:00:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Mark Prince's Car on My Classic Car

Good photo Mark and your car performs extremely well!  Great times for no
squeeze or out-ot-sight compression ratios.

I voted for it today, actually, in the highest and best traditions of big
city politics I voted early and often.  I have two e-mail addresses so voted
from both.

(Hint to all the other folks on the list with multile accounts.)

I also sent them a picture of my car, hope it makes it.

I'd also like some feedback on those drag radials.  I've heard they have a
_very_ short street life.  Anything you can add to that?  I understand they
are not really designed for extended street use but hope they last a little
while provided you don't keep lighen' 'em up. 'Course, I never do that. ;)

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:00:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 back from trans shop

<<"John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: 72 442 back from trans shop 

Just one question. Before I took it in, the tires would squeal
when shifting from 1st to 2nd and now they don't. Is this 
because of the new torque converter? >>

Hmm, depends on how they built it.  What clutches, wave plates swapped for
flats?  

Are you sure you got the same trans back?  If you have a numbers matching car
that's an issue.  All too frequently trans shops do nothing more than swap em
with a "factory" (hah!) rebuilt unit.  That's how most cars end up not
matching numbers.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:06:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Texas A&M Truck

<<One more note: Texas A&M has a truck that has been in service for
many years.  Rumor is that it has never had a complete oil change !!!
Once a month, the oil filter is replaced and a quart of new oil 
is added.  Last I heard it had over a million (1000000) miles recorded
on the same motor.

Thanks
Forrest>>

Well, depending on how much mileage it accumulates each month that could
equate to a pretty good maintenance schedule.  Had a M*Par 440 once that used
a quart every 300-400 miles.  Had an oil change every 2,100 miles that way.
 And it sure was clean when I finally got disgusted enough to try and stop
the oil consumption.  Zero tension on the rings was the biggest offender.

Or do I sense an Aggie joke somewhere in there?? A million mile Aggie truck.
 OK.  What's the punch line??

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:06:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work? 

<<It has a 350 Olds motor (original) with approx. 160K miles with the only
internal things replaced being rocker arms and pushrods at approx 80K.  My
brother and I pulled the motor for a rebuild, I was getting little metal
shavings in the oil when I changed it because the bearings where going.  The
Restore was being used for approx the last 60K miles and there was not that
much of a ridge on the cylinders, or at least not as much as what my dad,
brother and I were expecting.  >>

I've disassembled more that a few Olds engines and those treated to a
reasonable oil change interval showed very little cylinder wear.  I doubt
what you found was a result of using Restore.

It was the result of maintenance and good design.  Olds used better
metallurgy than most others.  It shows come disassembly time.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:06:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Texas A&M Truck

<<One more note: Texas A&M has a truck that has been in service for
many years.  Rumor is that it has never had a complete oil change !!!
Once a month, the oil filter is replaced and a quart of new oil 
is added.  Last I heard it had over a million (1000000) miles recorded
on the same motor.

Thanks
Forrest>>

Well, depending on how much mileage it accumulates each month that could
equate to a pretty good maintenance schedule.  Had a M*Par 440 once that used
a quart every 300-400 miles.  Had an oil change every 2,100 miles that way.
 And it sure was clean when I finally got disgusted enough to try and stop
the oil consumption.  Zero tension on the rings was the biggest offender.

Or do I sense an Aggie joke somewhere in there?? A million mile Aggie truck.
 OK.  What's the punch line??

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:20:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Andy Green shatters world land speed record

From http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/digest/sport2.htm

	British fighter pilot Andy Green
	shattered the world land speed record on Thursday with a
	run nearly 74 mph faster than the one his boss set here
	almost 14 years ago. 

Andy,

I thought you sold your Rocket in favor of a Pontiac?  Way to go!

- -- 
Drew

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:59:03 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Texas A&M Truck

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
> 
> <<One more note: Texas A&M has a truck that has been in service for
>> many years.  Rumor is that it has never had a complete oil change !!!
>> Once a month, the oil filter is replaced and a quart of new oil
>> is added.  Last I heard it had over a million (1000000) miles recorded
>> on the same motor.
> 
>
> Or do I sense an Aggie joke somewhere in there?? A million mile Aggie truck.
>  OK.  What's the punch line??

.....has roughly 250,000 pouches worth of Red Man stains on the driver's
side flank...


...Well I tried. (As if a Hokie has any room to make fun of the aggies. 
The first thing a visitor to VA Tech sees is the campus cow pasture. :) 

Greg Pruett 
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:50:54 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: speedometer drive Gear

Has anyone heard of this company that sells speedometer drive gears?
I left an add on Bryceman's page for a gear for a 3:23 rearend mating to a
TH350.
I got the following response:

WE HAVE IT $50 PLUS S?H
CALL 253 475 2624
FlyParts@aol.com

Am I right that $50 is a huge price for a speedo gear? Does anyone know if
"FlyParts" is a legitimate company?

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:05:43 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Drag Racing

All this talk of racing this past week I feel the need to share my night
this past Wednesday night.
My friend and I decided to go play at Cayuga race park in Ontario Canada,
run what ya brung night
He has a 70 cutlass convertible and so do I.
  
His best run was  15.736 @ 88.30 (that's a stock engine, single exhaust 350
4 BBL 2.56 gears)
the car was just purchased this summer for $700.00 and we completed it in
one month for under two grand it hadden been on the road in 17 years.  
He raced it with the same old plugs and wires that were there when he
bought it 

My convertible ran a best time of 13.76 @ 97.33 after when we viewed the
video tape we found that my posi was slipping bad and that's why the ET
being so off for me (normally I'm a consistent 13.4).  New clutches this
winter I guess.  

It will interesting to see what spring will bring for him and I now that he
has the performance bug and that this was the last year for dragging my rag
top.  Next year the engine goes into my Rallye 350
 (a little lighter, hopefully 12.80 's in the future are coming)

Robert Schinkel & Friends

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:09:00 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work?

Thought I should add $.02 to this discussion. 

My wife drives an 86 Ni**an 200SX (hey at least it is an SX, which makes it
almost Olds related) with 232K miles.   From about 80K miles it had a nasty
valve tapping noise that came and went.  At 140K it started getting really
serious and loud, a Ni**an mechanic told me that it was due to a design
flaw in the engine that prevents adequate oil supply to the head.  So being
desperate I thought I'd try Castrol Syntec.  I haven't heard any valve
noise or had any engine problem ever since I switched to the Syntec.  I am
considering switching my fresh 455 in the VC to Syntec after the first
regular oil change at 3K or so.

Just my personal experiences.  I am a believer in synthetic oils rather
than magic goo to be poured into the engine.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:25:09 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: speedometer drive Gear

> Am I right that $50 is a huge price for a speedo gear? Does anyone know if
> "FlyParts" is a legitimate company?
>

Sounds ~extrememly~ steep to me.  $50 should cover shipping and
installation, and gratuities....  Try GM Parts?  Seems to me they had
quite a bit of that stuff, but you just needed to know which one you
wanted.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:11:21 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Original Keys - Finding "key code"

RC Hellebuyck said on 9/23:

Also, I can cut "keys by code".  This means the key cuts will be to 
original factory depths. This can be done using your 
current "working keys" or of course if you have the code itself.  
- ----------
Last night I was looking through a '78 body manual, and bingo, there it
was, on the first couple of pages, the key code diagram. You place your
key on it, and through the matrix, figure out the depths for each
tumbler.

I haven't tried it yet, but it look simple. This should help people who
don't want to send their original keys in the mail. I can fax the two
pages to a couple of people if needed (Monday at the earliest). It's
easier if you just find a GM body manual.

- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:06:21 -0400
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: 72 442 back from trans shop 

I called the trans shop. They said to bring it in and they
would adjust the modulator for a quicker shift. They also
said they didn't tear it apart far enough to take out a shift kit.
Will go by there for the adjustment in the morning.

RC, I live in the 13mile & Schoenherr area. 
The car is the same color as Mark Prine's, Saddle Bronze. 

What color is your 71 442 conv.?  Were you at any of the
downtown Mt.Clemens car shows this summer? I remember
seeing a few 71 conv's there.  

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455


- ----------
> >Just one question. Before I took it in, the tires would squeal
> >when shifting from 1st to 2nd and now they don't. Is this 
> >because of the new torque converter? 
> >
> 
> 
> Sounds like the old trans had a shift kit in it.  Or perhaps it's the 
> way it's adjusted.  Ask the shop about this.  (unless you don't want 
> the tires to chirp shifting from 1st to 2nd)
> 
> Warren MI huh?  I'm from the 23 mile & gratiot area.  What color is 
> your car?
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
> 

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:24:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: please stop the e-mails

there is a simple answer to this one.  just erase them!!!

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:30:46 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: speedometer drive Gear

M&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> Has anyone heard of this company that sells speedometer drive gears?
> I left an add on Bryceman's page for a gear for a 3:23 rearend mating to a
> TH350.
> I got the following response:
> 
> WE HAVE IT $50 PLUS S?H
> CALL 253 475 2624
> FlyParts@aol.com
> 
> Am I right that $50 is a huge price for a speedo gear? Does anyone know if
> "FlyParts" is a legitimate company?
> 
Yes, they are legit.  From Washington state.  Got a PERFECT front fender
from them.  Price wasn't too bad either.  Flyparts is just his aol
name.  I don't think he realizes EXACTLY what you're looking for.

If you want to get a complete transmission booklet, to order almost
every part you ever wanted, then try APD Transmission Parts out of
Atlanta.  They got everything you need, and this is the cool part.  Just
like Year One, if you order before 3:00 pm, it's out the door on UPS
that afternoon.  Since I only live 2.5 hours from Atlanta, I usually 
have my stuff by the next day.   Reasonable  prices too.

APD - 1-800-241-2910

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:40:03 -0500
From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Subject: bridge over troubled rockers

So close but so far! I'm so close to completion of my overhaul that I can't
sleep at night. I've encountered a stumbling block. One of my rocker pivot
bridges is broke. I can't find one. I tried year-one and Kanter. I need some
guidance from the early 400 crowd.



Jim Smith
65 442

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:05:04 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Hood Hinges

Does anyone know if the Chevelle hood hinges and the Cutlass hood hinges
will interchange? I know that the Pontiac's do not. I really want new
hinges and I know where I can get them Chevelle, but I don't have a
Chevelle to look at.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 17:17:10 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: ?'s about soldering body panels

Does anyone know how to use solder in fixing body panels? I was reading
through the Eastwood Catalog and seen they sold solder for body panels
and was just wondering how it worked. Any replys would be greatly
appreciated.

         Terrance Rohner
         tthiel@lyrea.com
- -- 
Check out a number of books at your local bookstore. I haven't done any
of this work yet, but have found _Standard Guide to Auto Restoration_
(by the same publisher of Classic Auto Restorer mag and _Old Car Price
Guide_) to have good pictures and step by step instructions. Bottom line
is that this is not a simple process and it takes time to do it right,
even on horizontal body panels. Verticle body panels are harder. Good
luck.

David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:13:48 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Mondello?

DocOlds723@aol.com wrote:
> 
>   Years ago, I used to run Mondello parts, talked to him personally many
> times, spent a lot of money only to end up breaking many parts, going slower,
> spending more money.......... so on, so on.
>   It was after years of frustration that I learned that he didn't
> necessarilly have the answers, and he was merely a salesman, looking to earn
> a buck. After that I chose to go elsewhere, which has turned out to be a
> worthwhile choice.
>   I don't claim to have all the answers, but I have been able to put together
> a very reliable car that runs 10.teens that weighs 4000lbs. If you were in
> Lansing, chances are that you had seen it in the parade. It is the white and
> gold 1974 442.
>   My only suggestion is that you don't treat his literature as Bible, and
> seek other opinions. It pays off to research as many sources as possible.
r u going to english town on the 10/11  10/12 if so please look for me
will be with cajun nightmare

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:46:33 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: how to bring back that gold shine

At 08:31 AM 9/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sears has teamed up with Eastwood and is marketing their products. I had
>a catalog from Sears and put out the toll free number on the bullletin
>board here. Here is a copy of the original message:
>
If you have an Eastwood catalog, there is no reason to order the Sears and
vice versa, since they are IDENTICAL.  Products, prices and Fax number are
the same.  There are different 800#s though, one where they answer "Sears,
how can I help you" and one where they answer "Eastwood, how can I help you."

They have some good stuff in there, even though they have cancelled Olds
engine colors.  I got some stuff to help me remove the rust from my rear
drums, and the vacuum pump to blead brakes with.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:53:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 Chapter

hi bill         thanks for responding to my rallye 350 info request. i am in
the market for a rallye 350  one without rust    ill contact the chapter
 asap  thanks again  jim

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 23:15:36 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work? -Reply

Adding oil to the gas is nothing really new.  Marvel Mystery Oil is a great 
gas additive to lube the top end, and it avoids the smoke.  A long time ago I 
knew an "old-timer" mechanic who believed in the stuff so strongly he rigged 
up a can of Marvel under the hood of his jeep along with a plastic tube with 
restrictors that kept a steady (but small) drip of the mystery oil into the 
carb during operation.  It was an old jeep, and he kept it running well for 
years and hundreds of thousands of miles with no appreciable top end trouble. 
He swore by the stuff, and his rig and the way it ran proved its value.  To 
him, it was as important to keep the gas mixed with mystery oil as it was to 
use detergent oil.  Since then, I've tried to keep a can of it in the trunk 
and toss into the gas tank about an ounce for every new 10 gallons of gas.  It 
sure seems to have helped avoid problems.

Fred Orcutt
69 D88
72 VC

- -----Original Message-----
From:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca  On Behalf Of Forrest Johnson
Sent:	Friday, September 26, 1997 12:28 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	RE: Does duralube or slick 50 work? -Reply


>>Well, spraying water all over it might serve to cool it off...


Water can also act as a lubricant.  Although it's boiling point is
too low for long term use, it can be circulated through a motor
too keep the metal to metal situations to a minumum.
Not recomended for the average motor (snicker, laugh)
only for commercials and bad boat drivers.

Something to ponder:  how much protection can you get by
adding oil to the gass.  yes it burns and smokes, but some of it
will be left behind to lube the top end.  

Also: "we drained the oil and added only this much".  Hey, it
could be a side oiler or an external pump/sump motor.  In
this case, just how much does the pan need ???

Just something to chew on while watching some of the 
commercials/infomercials.  They don't always tell everything..
No way, there always completely honest!!!!

Forrest

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:21:36 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Rip off???

The following add was posted on "The Swapmeet" parts for sale page:

Date of Posting: 9/22/97
Email Address: SHolland@itd.state.id.us
Description: Beware Oldsmobile enthusiasts or ???? Have you been ripped off
by someone representing himself as Phil Olsen, prauto@webtv.net at 8649 w
Foster 3a Chicago, Illinois 60656. He was selling me a console and shifter
and vinyl top stainless for a 1972 Cutlass Supreme, however he cashed my
money order and never shipped the parts. He has quit answering his e-mail
address and now with this update his add has been removed from the listings.
I would be interested in anyone who has been ripped off by this individual
so we can have a stronger case to contact the authorities. Please e-mail me
w/info at SHolland@itd.state.id.us or write Steve Holland 7615 Greenacres
Dr. Boise, Idaho 83709
City: Boise
State: Idaho


Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 20:07:45 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: There's my car!

I was watching "Lethal Weapon 2" tonight and what did I see? The 
beginning chase sequence has a Olds Custom Cruiser in it, which they 
totally destroy as the movie progresses.

Anyway, looks very much like my 87' cept' the front grille. The Custom 
Cruiser in the movie has a body color front grille where mine is all 
chrome...

I will have to check out the National Lampoon Vacation movies with Chevy 
Chase and see what year Custom Cruiser the Griswold's were driving;-)


Michael R. Hall: OCA #17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442    
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 18:13:08 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Does duralube or slick 50 work? 

> I've disassembled more that a few Olds engines and those treated to a
> reasonable oil change interval showed very little cylinder wear.  I doubt
> what you found was a result of using Restore.

Never meant to imply that Restore helped.  I guess what I'm trying to say is that the metal shavings in the oil and the 'age and wear' of the engine never got worse after adding the Restore, so I assumed it was doing something.  I guess you could say it 'gave the illusion of working'.  It's been a good 5 years since I've used Restore so who knows.

> It was the result of maintenance and good design.  Olds used better
> metallurgy than most others.  It shows come disassembly time.

Yep, that car was always maintained, 3K oil changes etc. etc.  and of course the metallurgy helps too.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
and others

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:43:44 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: 72 442 back from trans shop 

>What color is your 71 442 conv.?  Were you at any of the
>downtown Mt.Clemens car shows this summer? I remember
>seeing a few 71 conv's there.  
>


My car is Saturn Gold with a black interior/top.  Yes, I attended a 
couple of the Mt Clemens shows.  I hate sitting around for hours and 
hours just to get a good spot.  So, I end up getting there late and park 
in the "Hayloft" parking lot, (a bar 1 block north of downtown), twice so 
far.

I have been to many cruise nights there during the summer on wednesdays.

Don't remember seeing your car.  Hope you get that tranny the way you 
like again.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 18:30:48 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Andy Green shatters world land speed record

ROTFLMAO

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:43:14 -0400
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Found 72 service manual tonight

I stopped in at a local flea market tonight. I was going
in to find a 8-track tape so I could try out my 8-track
player in the 442, I did find a Elvis tape.

Also, I found a 1972 Oldsmobile Chassis Service Manual
and paid $30 for it. I thought that was a great deal since
they were going for $50-$60 in Lansing. 
On the inside cover it is stamped "Library Copy General
Motors Training Center"..... Just something to think about.        

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com
Warren, MI
72 442/455

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 97 18:51:26 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site

> http://www.hotrodheaven.com/
while checking this sight out today, I saw someone with a classified ad titled 442 collection for sale.
Here's the ad:

: 1969 400cid 4sp silver,blue int. buckets, posi.Restored
: 1970 455 auto, blue/blue, bench, posi, fast.. Restored
: 1971 455 auto, bronze, buckets, new int, orig paint.
: 1971 455 auto, convert.,white (orig red) runs, proj. car
: --will entertain interesting trades--
: Located near Dallas, Texas

email is rdirks@anet-dfw.com

usual disclaimers apply


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
and others

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:07:40 -0500
From: Jeff Ferraro <jtf4227@unix.tamu.edu>
Subject: Knock Sensor

>

Well,  I haven't been able to listen to the list for a while, just join occasionally to ask a question due to time constraints. Anyway, here's another.  My '86 442, 120,000 miles, doesn't burn oil( engine good shape, etc.) knocks in about the 1600-2000  rpm range.  This is most prevalent when hot, and the engine is under more load (A/C or a hill). I consistently run premium(92/93 octane) fuel.  If I adjust the spark knock out, then the car runs poorly at idle (rough, or hesitate upon acceleration).  It has been suggested to me that the Knock Sensor (retards timing if knocking?) could be on the fritz.  Where is this, how do I replace it or does it even sound like the problem.  Thanks again for the suggestions,

Jeff Ferraro
'86 Gray 442
Sophomore Chemical Engineering student - Texas A&M

ps. voted for the sweet W-30

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:45:40 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Octane boosting

I found a site that tells how to raise octane by various additives. It
was, however, written by a ch*vy guy so take it with a grain of salt.

	http://www.team.net/sol/tech/octane_b.html

Danny

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:43:38 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: bridge over troubled rockers

- ----------
> From: James L. Smith <floydfan@wiltel.net>
> 
> So close but so far! I'm so close to completion of my overhaul that I
can't
> sleep at night. I've encountered a stumbling block. One of my rocker
pivot
> bridges is broke. I can't find one. I tried year-one and Kanter. I need
some
> guidance from the early 400 crowd.
> 
> Jim Smith
> 65 442

Auto supply or machine shops should carry them.

Daren

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:41:57 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: There's my car!

Mike Hall wrote:
 
> I will have to check out the National Lampoon Vacation movies with Chevy
> Chase and see what year Custom Cruiser the Griswold's were driving;-)

Sorry, that would be a Ford Country Squire instead.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:40:42 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

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	HI to everybody.

	I wonder if you can help me figuring out which is the HP rating os 425 E (export) version?
	Proud owner of a 1966 Delta 88.
	Thanks.


- -----Mensaje original-----
De:	Rod Beydler [SMTP:rodsmobile@mscomm.com]
Enviado el:	Jueves 25 de Septiembre de 1997 19:23
Para:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

When you use the diesel block, you lose the good rod/stroke ratio of the
425.

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> From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 9:23 PM
> 
> ----------
> > From: BobH592058@aol.com
> > 
> > Anybody ever hear of the Buick '70 GS 455 cid Stage I and II cars?  
> > 
> Yes those are some screamers!
> 
> > I would sorely love to build a snorting 425.  Bore it 0.125" over for a
> total
> > displacement of 445 ci.  I'll still spot the 455 crowd the 10 cubic
> inches.
> >  The 445 will make more torque than a 455, be freer revving and
therefore
> > make more HP too.
> How about 425 with the bores resleeved with 403 sleeves? 472.8 cubic
> inches. You'll have the rpm and displacement. Of course this wouldn't be
> very practical. The block probable would have a problem with all the
stress
> created from resleeving all of the cylinders not to mention the $$$
> required for custom pistons and all the machine work. Then again if you
> might be able to use 350 diesel block with a 425 crank and 403 bores and
> save a little weighed but then again I'm just dreaming.
> 
> Daren
> 

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:56:46 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

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> From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
> 
> >How about 425 with the bores resleeved with 403 sleeves? 
>                                               ^^^^^^^^^^ 
> middle of a water jacket (after all, you're talking about a 1/4"
overbore!);

No I'm talking about putting new sleeves in the block not boring it.
 
> >might be able to use 350 diesel block with a 425 crank and 403 bores and
> >save a little weighed but then again I'm just dreaming.
> 
> Again, you're talking about a .300" overbore, about ten times the

ooops I meant 403 sleeves not to bore it to 403 size. I wonder if GM still
has the molds (or whatever there called) for the 350 diesel and if they
would be willing to let some one borrow them. 

Daren

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:22:14 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks about info on slick 50 & duralube

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> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> 
> I'll have to second this; I switched over to synthetic at the second oil
> change on my brand-new rebuilt 403, about 9 months old. RAC gaskets that
> were perfectly happy with non-synthetic oil were *dripping* the
synthetic! 
 
I think that this would be from being a new engine going through its
initial hot-cold cycles and the bolts just working them selves loose since
it stopped after you retightened the bolts. 

This list is the first time I've ever heard of synthetic oil causing oil
leaks. I've put Castrol syntec in Laurie's car for the last 2 1/2 years and
it uses no oil, and my step dad put Mobil1 in a Volvo he had about ten
years ago and it stopped leaking oil. Yes I now that synthetic has smaller
molecules the petroleum based oil, but if the gaskets in the engine aren't
all dried out and hard and the are properly torqued down it shouldn't leak
any oil. 

On a side note before I put Syntec in Laurie's car she used Valvoline after
21,000 miles it was getting a brownish-gold looking inside the filler cap
on the valve cover. Since using Castrol the inside of the valve cover looks
a lot cleaner. I read somewhere that Valvoline uses a lot of paraffin (wax)
in their oil. I would assume that brownish-gold residue was a build up of
paraffin. Definitely not something I want floating around in my engine.

Daren 

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:22:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROKMORT@aol.com
Subject: 88 Cutlass Supreme Service manual

Dear Olds people,

   I love checking out thrift stores, even at the risk that someone might
think
I'm going there cause i might need something.  :)
Anyway, someone in the group might need something I found.  A 1988 Olds
Cutlass service manual, mint condition.  I'll let you have it for $25.
 Trying to rake
up me money to paint the 58 Super 88 2 Dr Hardtop.  Remember when a good
paint job cost $500.  I was quoted $4000!  And the body is straight,
rustfree,
all they gotta do is paint it, not restore it.

If you want the manual email me at:     ROKMORT@AOL.COM

Sincerely,  Michael J. Morton

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:34:03 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: There's my car!

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> I was watching "Lethal Weapon 2" tonight and what did I see? The 
> beginning chase sequence has a Olds Custom Cruiser in it, which they 
> totally destroy as the movie progresses.
> 
> Anyway, looks very much like my 87' cept' the front grille. The Custom 
> Cruiser in the movie has a body color front grille where mine is all 
> chrome...
> 
> I will have to check out the National Lampoon Vacation movies with Chevy 
> Chase and see what year Custom Cruiser the Griswold's were driving;-)
> 
> 
>	Did anyone notice the 67' Cutlass drop top that Woody Harrelson
drove in "White men can't jump" or the 70 442 in "Demolition Man".

	Lets start a movie/Oldsmobile list - tonight's topic - why not ?????
				
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:56:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: There's my car!

     as long as we are on the subject of olds and the movies, how about the
w-30    (70 i think) that was in the movie "demolition man" they had the
actual car in lansing at the history of olds display.....yep i got to go:)
later
brent
1967 ragtop

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