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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, September 20 1997     Volume 01 : Number 858



Simulated Gold Cad
Re: Fall Carlise
Re: Sport Wheel
Re: HEI Conversion
Re: 455 Motors 4-Sale
Re: how to bring back that gold shine
Re: Parts for RC
Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth
Re: Sport Wheel
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: Sport Wheel
Re: MCC on-line voting(olds related)
Re: FS: 1972 442 4-speed
Re: 9000 RPM 403
Re: E-400 motor
Re: will a 350 stove pipe fit a 455?
Re: how to bring back that gold shine
Toro part wanted
Toro part wanted
Re: Fuel Requirements
Re: 8.5" ring gear  10 bolt
Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth
Rubber Goo (was Re: Sport Wheel)
UNBOUNCE: 65 442 console
UNBOUNCE: Door hinge repair kits from year one
UNBOUNCE: To strip or not to strip?
AOL is cool!
Re: Original key blanks for sale
Re: Don Ross (fwd)
Re: Window frame repair
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Re: AOL is cool!.....not!!!!!
Re: Window frame repair
Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!
RE: MCC on-line voting(olds related)
Re: The Whiners
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Surging
Re: Sport Wheel
Re: ANY gm over FORD....ha ha ha
Re: Owners Manual
Re: 70-72  dash clock
Logo
Re: Original key blanks for sale
Re: UNBOUNCE: Door hinge repair kits from year one
Re: Whats Up with the List
Re: 455 MOTORS 4-SALE UPDATE
'67 Cutlasses
Re: Fall Carlise
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
TicTocTac Tec
Re: VIN Number Decoding
Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!
Re: ANY gm over FORD....ha ha ha
Re: net parts search
Re: Ch**y Transmission Swap
Re: Owners Manual
12 sec rocket in RI
Re: troubleshooting
Cleaning electrical connections
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
RE: MCC on-line voting(olds related)
UNBOUNCE: net parts search
Re: Logo
Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)
Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)
'78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!
Re: Don Ross (fwd)
Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!
Re: Body bolt info
FW: Fall Carlise
Re: Original key blanks for sale

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:35:57 -0300
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Subject: Simulated Gold Cad

Hi Gang,

With all the discussion about replating brake vacuum boosters, I thought I'd
relate my experience of the past week.  I put a new vacuum booster and
master cylinder on my 1968 442 convertible and wanted the booster to look
relatively "correct."  I remembered reading in "How to Restore Your
Musclecar" (Donahue and Zazarine, Motorbooks International) about how to
simulate gold cad plating.  They say to apply Ditzler ªDDL-43433 Sauterne
Sage at 2 parts paint to 3 parts thinner and 35-40 lbs pressure.  I was
impressed at how well it turned out.  It certainly is not the same as real
gold cad plating, but it is pretty good.  It is a goldish sort of green (the
label on the can I bought says Medium Sage Gold Metallic), and is an even
shade where the cad plating looks more gold with streaks of greenish color.

I had thought of trying the Eastwood kit, but I was unimpressed with the
samples in the catalog.  I figured if they could only do that well, mine was
going to look REALLY bad :)

Anyway, this was simple, relatively inexpensive, can be done by anyone with
a detail gun and compressor, and turned out looking very nice.

Bob
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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:35:59 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Fall Carlise

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> Just wondering,  anyone here planning to attend the fall Carlise in two weeks
> ?
>
> I'm planning on going 10/03/97.
>
> Steve Dietrich
>   S/E PA
>     71 442 W30 Conv.


Yupper.  Wouldn't miss it.  Even my wife is excited about going (she
called Carlisle today and made sure the guy that sells all the baskets
etc. will be there).
I first took her when I was looking to buy a 4-4-2.  There was a sweet
'70 W-30 there.  The owner started it up and it ~rumbled~.  My wife
looked at me and asked if what I was going to buy would sound like
that.  I replied "I hope so!"  And she replied "Good!"
What can I say, I've got the perfect wife (me and Dave Wyatt both).
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:44:09 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Sport Wheel

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
>My everyday ride has a factory leater covered steering wheel
> that appears to be drying out.  I rubbed in some leather conditioner,
> but it didn't seem to do much good as it still felt really dry.  So I
> thought maybe it needed more conditioner and put more on it.  (I was
> using Eagle One by the way.)  That didn't seem to do much either.  So I
> am open to other suggestions.  Thank you for any assistance in advance.
>
> Don Sowers
> Nicholasville, Ky

When I got my 442 the seats were kinda stiff I put about 2-3 applications
of Eagle One Leather care and it softened them up real good and made it
impossible to stay on the seat going around a corner. I applied it
liberally by hand (no towel) let it sit for 15 minutes then wiped it off.
Baby oil sounds like a good idea.

Daren

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:40:58 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Conversion

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> > 1) I've heard conflicting stories on this list as to whether or not the
> > stock aircleaner will fit without denting it.
>
> Some say it will work on a big block, I think, since it's not stock
> anymore anyway, go to a free breathing smaller custom air cleaner,  K&N
> perhaps.  Don't dent anything you wish you hadn't later.

Actually, I'm keeping the OAI intact!
Was thinking that if I had to dent the aircleaner base I'd just pick up
another (non-OAI) base to dent.  Just wanted to know if this was the
route I waould need to take.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:44:26 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Motors 4-Sale

Joe Artwell wrote:
>
> If anyone is intereseted my neighbor is selling 3 Olds 455 motors.
> One is only a block and the other two are nearly complete. ***$200.00***
> for all three. I now one is a 72 motor. Not sure about the other two. I
> can find out more info if anyone is interested. They are in Medina,
> Ohio. I don't know if you can ship something like this.
>                               Joe
>
> 1971 442.
please let me now on these motors call me if u want 401-461-9421 thanks

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:42:26 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: how to bring back that gold shine

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:

> If you don't understand what I'm talking about, sorry.  I tried to
> explain.  It's like a gold version of the way the power brake boosters
> look.

Your servo is gold like that?  I've got 4 of these, well, OK, 3 and
half, but none of them are gold like a booster, they're all kinda gray.
You're talking about the box that mounts on the fender well where the
speedometer cable come-in and go-out of, right?  Never seen one that
color, strange.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:47:20 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Parts for RC

scott or sharon wrote:
>
> RC Hellebuyck,
>
> I called to check on your parts request today and the guy, Gary, told me that
> he did not have either the exhaust manifold shroud or the cruise control
> parts.  Sorry I didn't get back with you sooner but between school and him
> away from his house it took till today to speak with him.
>
> Scott Jerdan
> 70 W-30 442
looking for 455s 72 older thanks

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:12:22 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> >I hate to sound curmudgeonly...>
>
> Sound what?  What does the "C" word mean? Seriously.

Like a grumpy fart (loose translation).

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:47:12 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Sport Wheel

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:

> What this is saying, is that this problem has been around since the wheels
were > first made, and all that dry rag wiping has never caused the wheel to
become > seasoned.

But you'd think that after doing this for over 25 years there wouldn't
be anything left to sweat out!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible with optional sticky wheel

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:51:44 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> >Jim:
> >
> >Re the 71 Cutlass tail light lenses, would the total be 40.00 for the
> >complete set ( 2 on each side) or 20.00 (10.00 for each set of 2)?
> >
> >Re the 71 supreme that you are parting:
> >Do you have an original 4V manifold, air cleaner, and carb?
> >
> >Do you have a driver side headlight bezel?
> >
> >Thanks
> >Joe
> >
>
> Joe
>
>         Yes That would be $40.00 for a complete set or $20.00 per side. We
> have a 4 bbl manifold air cleaner and carb. Yes we have the drivers side
> headlight bezel for $15.00 ea.
>
> Jim Chermack
> C&M Classic Parts
> (757) 474-0869
im looking for 455s 72 older  please
reply

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 97 22:56:36 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Sport Wheel

At 08:39 PM 9/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Just dug out my sport wheel that has been hanging in my shed for many a
>Chicago seasons.  I was suprised to find that the entire rubber grip portion
>was completely shiny and covered in an oilish, syrupy mixture.  It is truly
>disgusting looking and has me worried.  Nothing has every spilled on it in
>the shed, is it the rubber decomposing?  What could it be?  Any suggestions
>on how to revive it?  I would really like to use it but fear I can ruin it
>worse, if that's possible.  Anyone else ever heard of this or have 
suggestions.
>
>-Rick
>72 Cutlass Supreme Convert(less OAI)
>
   Rick,        What you are  probably seeing is the reversion of the
natural rubber               to its original state.   This is a normal
occurrence that naturally              happens over time.  It isn't possible
to renew it at that point.  It will              retern to a gum state over
time.

   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:24:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: MCC on-line voting(olds related)

i found it, and voted for the OLDS!!!!!!!

BERNIE

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:30:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: FS: 1972 442 4-speed

In a message dated 97-09-19 23:07:14 EDT, you write:

<< FOR SALE: 1972 442 4-speed. originally a 350 4-speed car but comes with a
 455.
 descent body....needs restoration. $1,500 OBO
 for more info and/or phone number e-mail me privatley.

 brent
 1967 cutlass ragtop

  >>
HEY Brent email me your number, I live in Detroit and I saw by your profile
that you live in Ohio.  So how far is Stow from Columbus.  I am going there
Sunday for an Oldsmobile show.  Let me know

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:37:40 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 9000 RPM 403

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> At the moment I am rebuilding an olds 403 and I wonder how to make it
> faster/stronger.
> If possible I want to make it  turn about 8/9000 rpm.
> What must I change from the original to accomplish that.
> Thanks! archy
> usicon@pi.net The Netherlands
> ----==============
>
> Huh, that must be METRIC RPM, eh? ;-)
> I seriously doubt that any open main web motor would survive long at that
rate. > A more realistic top rpm would be maybe 7000 RPM [U.S.] -if- you build
the > thing with al the best parts. Start with forged pistons. Price a set of
them, > then see what your goal for RPM is... >   Once again, the compression
can be boosted a lot, by small-dish pistons > and/or smaller chamber earlier
small block heads. Open up the breathing with > free flowing xst, big valves,
port the heads, nice intake & carb... Rowdier > cam, much stiffer valve 
springs,
the usual tricks. Improve the oiling system. > Match the timing curve to the 
new
attributes of compression, cam, and fuel > used. >   But, 8000 RPM... I doubt
it. If it works for you, PLEASE let us know how you > did that. Stock 
valvetrain
floats at around 6000 rpm... > > -- > Chris  B. Witt > *the* Rocket Scientist,
fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442... > wittchri@pilot.msu.edu please tell 
me
more about oiling system have 72 olds 67 400 runs 12.52 106mph

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:40:15 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: E-400 motor

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> Chris - I could use one of those *magic* flywheels as well for my '67 442
> originating 400.  Privately e-mail me the details.....
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
>
> '64 Cutlass (Ruby)
> '66 Toronado (LA Woman)
> '67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
> '69 Toronado (Toro II)
> '72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
> Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
> Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
67 flywheel  from 400 $25  u pay shiping 401 461-9421  HAWK

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:38:00 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: will a 350 stove pipe fit a 455?

At 07:23 PM 9/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A local junkyard in my area has a 70 cutlass that has a 350 with an
>intact exhaust manifold housing and heat pipe.
>
>MY QUESTIONs:
>
>Will these parts fit my 1971 4-4-2 with a 455?
>
>Thanks,
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

RC

        Nope. Two completely different animals.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:45:29 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: how to bring back that gold shine

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> Your servo is gold like that?  I've got 4 of these, well, OK, 3 and
> half, but none of them are gold like a booster, they're all kinda gray.
> You're talking about the box that mounts on the fender well where the
> speedometer cable come-in and go-out of, right?  Never seen one that
> color, strange.

Never mind!  I'm thinking of the transducer.  God, I don't know how I
manage to find my way out of bed some days.  My servo must be gold too,
never really looked at it that close.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible with a gold servo and a gray transducer

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:00:16 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Toro part wanted

Hey Toro list!!!

I posted this on the Olds list but got no response, so I figured this would
be the better forum to ask this request.

I am looking for a mid '80s Toro horn cap for the sport steering wheel.  I
found a sport wheel in a local yard and swapped it into my '85 Cutlass, (I
have to admit it is a lot cooler looking than the Cutlass Sport wheel!!)
but it was missing the horn cap and there were no others in the yard.  I
finally got around to going to the parts counter at the local non-Olds GM
dealership to inquire about a few things, one of them being the horn cap.
It turns out it has been discontinued (go figure) and there are none left
at any dealership or warehouse, not only in the US but internationally as
well!!

So if someone spots or has a horn cap for and '84-'85 Toro sport steering
wheel could someone let me know about it.  I would appreciate it very much.
Color is not important as I can paint it with that special vinyl paint.

I am not on the Toro mailing list so if you can reply to me personally, I
would appreciate it very much.

Thanks in advance

Bill Reilly
102724.635@compuserve.com
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:03:04 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Toro part wanted

Sorry, I didn't mean to send that to the Olds list. It was supposed to go
to the Toro list.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:15:54 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Requirements

J. Michael Wolfe wrote:
>
> The owners manual states that 91 or higher octane fuel should be used in
> the 72.  Any thoughts or comments from the experts out there?

This is a concern on the GMC motorhomes also because the manual
specifies a 91(or higher) octane rating.  I believe that in the 70's the
octane ratings that were posted were RON(research octane number) and
when federal(US) law required that octane rating be displayed on pumps,
it also required that the number be the average of RON and MON(motor
octane number - a lower value).  AAMOF, if you look at the little yellow
stickers, the fine print says "R+M/2" or something to that effect.

Patrick
- --
Patrick Flowers
Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

The GMC Motorhome Page
http://www.gmcmotorhome.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:18:36 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: 8.5" ring gear  10 bolt

Brad Bowles wrote:
>
> Is this the correct size of the rear end in my 70 442?  It has the 12
> bolt cover.
>         Is this the same size that is advertized in Summit and Jegs?  If so,
> there are gears/posi units avalable to me?
> Thanks
> Brad
> 70 442

yes, 8.5" 10 bolt (with 12 bolt cover)
I believe the 68 - 70 had the same rear end.  I got 4.10 gears from
Summit (richmond gears 69-0328-1).  They had to look up the part number,
but they had it in stock.  Jegs had to order, taking over 6 weeks (They
did say it was a stock item, just out of them).  Watch the kits they
sell.  Some of them are not correct, even though their books say they
are.  I ended up getting my own gasket and shims, the rest fit.
I am not sure of other gear ratios available, but they will not
be in their standard catalogs.

Forrest
68 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:19:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, mrada wrote:
> mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> > >I hate to sound curmudgeonly...>
> >
> > Sound what?  What does the "C" word mean? Seriously.
>
> Like a grumpy fart (loose translation).

Yeah, well... that would be me... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:27:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Rubber Goo (was Re: Sport Wheel)

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Glenn Connors wrote:
>    Rick,        What you are  probably seeing is the reversion of the
> natural rubber               to its original state.   This is a normal
> occurrence that naturally              happens over time.  It isn't possible
> to renew it at that point.  It will              retern to a gum state over
> time.

Sure does. Remember that '68 Olds complimentary 8-track tape I mentioned
I bought in Lansing? Last Friday night I decided to play it for the first
time. I got about 3 seconds of music and then "buuuurrr..rrr.r....rr",
then silence. Pulled it out to find the rubber roller inside the cart had
turned to goo. What a mess! Of course, that meant the tape at that point
was covered with the stuff too, at least the part that hadn't wrapped
itself around the capstan. The goo itself was amazingly resistant to most
substances and stuck like... well, goo... to everything.

I thought it was a goner, but I looked for it for so long that I didn't
want to give up the ghost. I managed to carefully open up the cart, found
a replacement roller from my supply of junk carts, spliced the tape back
together, and cleaned the goo off of everything, including the inside of
the player, which was a mess. 3 hours later I had it working again and the
tape was saved, minus about one foot which is about 3 or 4 seconds.  Don't
really notice it. The sound on this thing is remarkably good, though the
music itself is unbelievably sappy. Still a neat thing to have, and glad I
was able to save it.

Watch out for 30-year-old rubber...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:29:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 65 442 console

Please reply directly, not to the list...

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Bowtie911@aol.com
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 65 442 console

Just sign on. Need info on whether or not 65 442 - 4spd car had console as
standard or optional equipment. Need immediate help on this.

Harvey Shaw
bowtie911@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:30:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Door hinge repair kits from year one

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Door hinge repair kits from year one

I have bought a set of the door hinge repair kits from year one to fix a
sagging passeger door.  I thought that I would have to remove the fender
to get the hinges off.  After looking closely at the hinges it looks
like I can simply remove the door and repair the hinge on the car.  Has
anyone else ever done this?  Any tips or gotchas for this project?

BTW thanks to everyone who responded about my oil consumtion problem.
It looks like the oil is going past the rings.

mike

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:31:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: To strip or not to strip?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:"Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject:  To strip or not to strip?
Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>


I know that his list is usually concerned with the details and the
mechanicals of our beloved Oldmobiles but this is a bodywork/paint technical
question.
     I am going to strip my Cutlass in preparation for painting.It has been
painted 3 or 4 times on top of the original factory finish.Most of the
original factory finish is very well attached to the metal, but the bond
between the original paint and the first paint job is not very good and I
have been able to scrape, peel and flake the 2nd, 3rd and 4th layer off with
a razor blade. Original colour is a medium metalic blue, but I will be
repainting to Matador red, and rapid fill primer will be tinted to match. My
question is:  Should I contine to strip the rest of the original paint layer
down to bare metal by sanding or chemical stripping ( I have the stripper to
do it)  or should I simply scuff the original finish and prime. The body is
completely stripped to the metal shell, new metal has been welded in where
necessary, and the body with frame attached  is on a body rotisserie.
Underside, floors, welds, rusty seams  etc will all be sandblasted. I am
priming first with an epoxy primer before re sealing all the body seams or
adding body filler where needed. What am I going to get the best adhesion
to, bare metal or original finish, and what grit paper should I use on a
random orbital sander and for hand sanding where needed? The first coats of
Epoxy primer will be smoothed out with a 'rapid filler' primer and much
block sanding before topcoating with a base/clear.
Also - any suggestions with respect to books or references or websites to
visit on bodywork, painting or  shaping/shrinking metal/fixing dents etc
with body hammers, dollies, and heat. There are still some wrinkly spots
that I need to massage a bit before I start slopping on any body fill.

All advice/suggestions/experiences welcomed!!

Brian Kerr
Cambridge Ontario Canada
69 Cutlass S conv

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:30:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROKMORT@aol.com
Subject: AOL is cool!

Dear Olds Mailing List People,

   I've read some of your email, and it is very clear to me that some of you
need
a person of significance in your lives.  Have you heard about "Love on AOL?"
 It is
a virtual "meat market"  complete with photos of eligible women (or men) and
a short Biography, and some quips, ends with the ability to email those who
interest you.  If you've something to relate, you are sure to get a reply.
 Lots of
fun, and AOL has IM,  Instant Messages...you can chat with a friend... It is
totally great.  No wonder why it is the largest internet access!  Try it, you
might
like it.

   Obviously the reason it is hard to get on line ( In some Locals, but not
here)
is because it is so popular!


Sincerely,  Michael J. Morton  ie,   ROKMORT@AOL.COM

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:35:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Original key blanks for sale

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> By the way, I forgot to mention in my list bio that I'm a part-time
> locksmith.  If I can help with any lock re-lated stuff or hard to find
> parts ask me.  If I don't know I'll find out for you.

RC,

On my '78 Delta I have problems with the keys. Both sets are copies...
the originals are long gone. I suspect they are well-worn and are
starting to act up. The ignition key occasionally hangs up and won't
turn, and I can never get it into the "ACC" position. The trunk key is
always balky and you usually need to jiggle it upwards to open the trunk.

Without the GM key code numbers, is there any way of determining what the
code would be from the key pattern itself and getting new ones cut at a
dealer? Or do I need to pull the lock cylinders? Anything you might
suggest in the way of a lubricant for the locks that might help?

TIA...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:36:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Don Ross (fwd)

Forwarding from Doug Kitchener...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:50:04 -0400
From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
Subject: Re: Re: Don Ross

> > Toroids, Oldsmoids-
> >
> > I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Don Ross's silver '77 Toronado XS
was
> > heavily damaged after it caught fire near Ann Arbor MI as Don was on his 
way
 > > home to Connecticut from the Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration.  I've been
 > > intending to put out a bulletin on the list, but I hit the ground running 
>
after > > I got back from Lansing, and haven't had time > > > to get all this
written up until now.

Don, as many of you know, is the owner of the '77 XSR prototype with the power
retractable T-tops.  At the time of the fire, he was towing the XSR on a tow
dolley... apparently there was no or minimal
> > damage
> > > to that.

Details are a little vague; I got most of this in two hurried phone calls from
Don's daughter just after it all happened... Since then, I've talked to Don 
once
 and to his son-in-law once.

After the Lansing meet, Don drove to Chicago for a few days to visit
> > > some relatives, giving the RE Olds Museum time to change their displays
> > around.  He then went back to Lansing, picked up the XSR and left for home
on the Wed after
> the
> > > Centennial; I guess that was Aug 27th.  He was somewhere near Ann Arbor;
> > stopped
> > > for gasoline and a sandwich, got on the road again and the silver car
caught
> > > fire.  It gets a little vague here; I got some of this from his daughter
and
> > > some from him.  Apparently smoke started coming out from under the dash,
and
> > by
> > > the time he got stopped, the whole interior was full of smoke.  I guess
the
> > > flames had started from under the hood by then also.  He bailed out and
ran
> > > around to unhook the XSR, and at that point he started having heart
troubles
> > (as some of you know, he has a weak heart), and apparently lost
conciousness.  The fire  department came, I guess, and maybe people with fire
extinguishers also.   Don wound up in
> > the
> > > Univ of Michigan Hospital in Ann Arbor, but was discharged after a couple
> > days.


 He was to have (another) bypass, plus a valve replacement, sometime this fall
anyway, and this
> > > episode just brought it forward a couple weeks... he flew home that
Saturday, I
> > > think, and has had the surgery in CT and is home now and doing okay.  The
Fire Marshal looked
> at
> > > the car after the fire, apparently just a routine investigation, not for
> > > specific cause, but only to verify that it was accidental, and said that
> the fire
> > > appeared to have started in left rear of engine compartment (area of 
brake
 > > > booster and fuse panel/wiring harness connection and was not
fuel-related. > > When > > > Fred Nissen, our XSR sidekick, talked to Don, he
remembered that the brake > > pedal > > > felt funny after his lunch stop,
apparently; Fred wonders if a brake line > blew > > > and spewed fluid onto
the exhaust and foofed.  I dunno, I didn't think brake > > > fluid would
<*foof*>! like that... maybe P/S fluid, but seems like he would have noticed if
 > > the > > > steering effort suddenly went high... I wonder about
electrical, but that > > > doesn't usually cause a fire, I'd think... you'd
just burn out the harness > and > > > everything would just quit... seems like
it got going too fast for that... > > > suppose we'll never know for sure. > >
> > > > I haven't seen the cars, of course; they were shipped back to CT, but I
 > guess > > > the silver car is done for... it could be fixed, but needs a
whole clip plus > > who > > > knows what in terms of all the rubber boots,
bushings, etc.  Have heard > > > something about paint blistering on the XSR...
Don's daughter immediately > > > confined him to quarters and wouldn't let him
see the cars; son-in-law has > > dealt > > > with the insurance guy who
totaled the silver car.  Bleah.  Don's a little > > > depressed, I guess, more
about the car than his health; I'm sure > > > he'd appreciate a note or phone
call... > > > > > >  Don Ross, 1221 Old Waterbury Road, Southbury CT 06288,
203/264-6288.

Doug

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:38:37 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Window frame repair

My cutlasses ('68) has rust around the front and rear window
and is in dire need of repair.  I have taken it by several body shops
and they all want to fiberglass the rust areas after removal of the
bad areas.  When I mention metal replacement, they seem to look
puzzled.  Does anyone know of a source for the window channels
or the perferred process to repair them.  A friend suggested I look
into other *GM* products (ie Ch*v*lle, N*va) to see if these pieces
are simular.  If they are, these would be a better source than cutting
on an Olds.  Any help would be great.  I am ready to paint, but
waiting for the best solution for this last problem.

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You,
Forrest Johnson
johnson@edisongroup.com
fjohnson@intervoice.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 04:31:39 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

>J. Michael Wolfe wrote:
>>
>> Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>> >
>> >                                         C&M Classic Parts
>> >
>> > Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm
>> > As of September 20, we are accepting all major Credit Cards. VISA, Master
>> > Card, American Express, and Discover cards.
>> > New Parts:
____________________________________________________________________
>> > 66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $225.00
>[SNIP]
>> Thanks
>> Joe
>how much to ship 350 motor to RHODE ISLAND and i can see good things
>coming  please email me on this   have 72 olds 400  runs 12.52   106 mph

Another person in RI? Well, that makes three! You need a 350? Got one up
here in Providence not doing much of anything, and know of a running 330 not
doing much of anything either.

BTW, what track are you running at?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:40:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....not!!!!!

hondas are popular, not because they r great cars, but because they advertise
the *hit out of them, and the american public goes for that

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:43:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROKMORT@aol.com
Subject: Re: Window frame repair

Hi Forrest,   there are plenty of donor cars in southern Califiornia area
wrecking
yards to get the sheetmetal to repair your car.  The Mig is a new tool, just
go to the local high school that has an auto shop, and you will find capable
welders to repair the rust...

Sincerely,  Michael J. Morton

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:48:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROKMORT@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!

What does Honda got to do with AOL?  stay to the issue...

Michael j. Morton

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:19:46 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: MCC on-line voting(olds related)

I am inspired here - I have a picture of my Delta that shows how immaculate
the body is on this car - the way the light shines down the side of it it
shows its smooth as glass. Hey, its worth a shot!  I'm going to submit it -
just for the heck of it & to show the world just WHAT a Delta 88 is.

P.S.  I voted for you Fred.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:28:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The Whiners

My favorite is the hissing noise from a V-8 with single exhaust when the
powers put to it, like a really p*ssed snake!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:33:55 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

A note to all you cubic inch boys, yes, displacement can't be beat, but
what about the challenge, interest & sheer F*U*N to take something that's
NOT the norm and make it into something as fast or faster then the common
ol' BB's?  I always wanted to take a straight six and see what could be
produced outta those 250 CID's.

Good heavans - dare to be DIFFERENT!

P.S.  I'm building a 400, but my favorite motor is still the 330.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:35:33 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Surging

Another car that's sat more then its been driven.  I plan on swapping off
one of my other carbs on it to see what difference it makes, check the
timing, etc.  I had never had this problem/symptom before so I just thought
I'd check out the info-pool here.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:31:02 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Sport Wheel

Great to know!  I'm glad I never use it on the twins - I've got LOTS on
hand to experiment with.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:41:10 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: ANY gm over FORD....ha ha ha

While I readily admit to being an Oldsoholic, I am also an admirer of any
and ALL muscle cars.  Certainly we have our preferences, but these *other*
makes have some fine representatives of our favorite years as well and
should be accorded SOME respect (and that's after my recent Mopar bashing!)
 Now as for the newer ones - I agree - Nevernevernevernevernever.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:37:08 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Owners Manual

Our Pomona swap meet normally has lots of guys selling these.  I"m glad I
passed on the $15 one for a '72 VC - I snagged the one from my parts car.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:44:00 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 70-72  dash clock

Heck I just threw my clock in on a fender deal, I felt sorry for the guy -
he had a clock delete car - just a big black blank space!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:47:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Logo

At our last show at a dealership our goodie bags included a black square
plastic (flexible) key ring with the new logo- but it has 100 anniversary
and 1897 - 1997 across the top and bottom.  I love it - did they have these
at Lansing?  I need 4 more!!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 21:42:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Original key blanks for sale

>Please specify keyway;  A, B, C, D, E, H, J, or K

Uhhh, I'll display my ignorance - which is which (A-K)?  How can I tell
which I need?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:07:04 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Door hinge repair kits from year one

> I have bought a set of the door hinge repair kits from year one to fix a
sagging passeger door. >         mike

I replaced these pins on my 68 Cutlass a couple of years ago.
First, get someone to help you.  I've heard this can be a one
person job, but I didn't want to drop a door on anything, especially
me.  I tied an extra safety rope from a hoist to the door, just in case.
I had to use a driver to loosen the hindge attached to the inner
fender.  Pulled the door loose, lowered to the ground and then
filed the crimp off of the pin.  I pushed it out with a punch, drove the
new one in, and reversed the removal.  I have heard of peple filing the
crimp with the hindges still on the car.  Then driving the pin out
without removing hindges.  This will work, if you room to work. (perhaps
use a grinding tool [Dremmel] to grind the pins).
It's not a hard task, just take your time and keep it all safe.

Forrest

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Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 23:59:16 -0500
From: gilly24-7@juno.com (Gabe G Gilsrud)
Subject: Re: Whats Up with the List

yes, you dumb bizznich there are over 180 posts a day!!!
just kiddin' get help

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:46:58 +0000 "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com> writes:
>I have not been receiving any EMAIL for a week and a 1/2 now is
>there something wrong???
>
>Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:18:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 MOTORS 4-SALE UPDATE

In a message dated 97-09-19 20:14:41 EDT, you write:

<< Subj: 455 MOTORS 4-SALE UPDATE
 Date:97-09-19 20:14:41 EDT
 From:tjf26@gte.net (Joe Artwell)
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 I SPOKE TO MY NEIGHBOR, FRANK, HIS TELª330-723-2071. IF ANYONE IS
 INTERESTED GIVE HIM A CALL. HE HAS 3 HE WANTS TO GET RID OF.
                       JOE

 1971 442
  >>
What state would that be???...TIM

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:21:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: '67 Cutlasses

In my recent travels have run across a pair of fairly clean, dry ,
unloved and reasonably priced CS hardtops. Both have 400's and auto. The
first is a 2-family blue/blue car with buckets,console,p/w and p/seat. Dry
but with some dents.Beautiful trunk but weathered chrome sitting on 4 flat
tires in a Torrance garage. $750 and motivated.

2nd car is a 62K mi car that's been off road for ~8 yrs. Nice orig  parchment
int, no buckets, very dry body with some poor body work in the RFF/bumper.
400/4bbl has an unusual 'climate control' air cleaner(?).Air. Runs. $650

I may buy the 2nd one for parts--pristine dash, motor, chrome--but don't need
the rest--xlnt doors, LFF, trim, grilles.

Both cars in Southern Cal. If somebody is interested i'd be glad to
hook you up to help these cars live.

Email me privately to Coupe King@aol.com to chat

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:52:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fall Carlise

Im going to englishtown NJ next week, then carlise on following sat.
joe

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:07:57 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

At 04:31 AM 9/20/97 GMT, you wrote:
>>J. Michael Wolfe wrote:
>>how much to ship 350 motor to RHODE ISLAND and i can see good things
>>coming  please email me on this   have 72 olds 400  runs 12.52   106 mph
>
>Another person in RI? Well, that makes three! You need a 350? Got one up
>here in Providence not doing much of anything, and know of a running 330 not
>doing much of anything either.
>
>BTW, what track are you running at?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>

Bob and All

        Your so right. To all of you people looking to purchase parts a word
of caution. If at all possible when your looking to purchase a large part
try to get it from someone as close as possible. Truck freight shipping can
be very expensive. Especially for things like engines, bucket seats, bench
seats, etc... You can end up paying two to three time as much for a part
when you figure this into the cost. You would have to bite the bullet if you
can find it nowhere else. Just my $.02

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: TicTocTac Tec

Anybody using a stock tac with msd, and if so for how long and what kind of
MSD. Thanks joe

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:21:47 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: VIN Number Decoding

At 07:35 PM 9/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm looking at a Rallye350. Can you guys help me decode the VIN? I really
>need help with the last five numbers!
>VIN NUMBER
>336870M254268
>I don't know the engine number but it's been redone.
>

VIN
3 = Oldsmobile
36 = Cutlass S
87 = Holiday Hardtop
0 = 1970
M = Lansing Mich. plant
254268 = *units sequencial number
* All plants started with 100000 for their numbering process.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:42:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!

hey mike, what i mean is, if you havent noticed, most people it seems, by
whatever is popular, trendy, advertised the most........how many people with
suv's have any idea how to use there 4x4 system.
 aol advertises alot, people buy.........honda advertises people buy...
g-damn nike advertises alot people buy, get the pic???

bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 02:45:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: ANY gm over FORD....ha ha ha

thanks lisa, thats all that i meant.....ps, your website is far out and
groovy.........
hey, u cut the nose off yr 67 in that pic!!!!!!!

bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:03:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: net parts search

I know for a fact that not all of the GM parts dealers are on these lists,
just the ones that subscribe to them. So you might want to call all the GM
dealers in your area with the part ªs that you need just to be sure that they
don't have it.The reason I say all GM dealers is that any GM dealer can order
a GM part, and they may have ordered it for some one who didn't pick it up.
The other reason is that some GM parts will fit some or all makes of GM cars.
You might also find the independent AC delco distributor in the area as they
have GM parts but they are under a different ª also try some of the big air
conditioning shops in the area and see if they stock AC delco parts if thats
what you need. I work for an OLDSMOBILE & CADILLAC dealer and that's what we
do if we don't have the part in stock. Hope this helps some of you.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:03:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ch**y Transmission Swap

The only trans that I could find for my S-10 2-wheel PU That was cheap was
out of a Camaro with the 2.8. It seems to me that the 2.8 has a different
bolt pattern for the bellhousing than the other V6 engines that GM has.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:03:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Owners Manual

Concerning owners manuals, your Olds dealer can order them for you. We can
get them all the way back to 1966. If you have trouble with the dealer I can
get the name & address of the company for you and post it here.The same
company has the newer service manuals as well.

Hope this helps.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:12:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 12 sec rocket in RI

how bout the stats on that 12 sec rocket??

bernie nj

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 03:29:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: troubleshooting

test

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 01:28:25 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Cleaning electrical connections

Hello,
  During the process of hooking up some necessary electrical components
(light bulbs, that kinda thing) I've come across lots of connectors on the
wiring harnesses that could use a little cleaning..  Is there some special
technique that one might use to clean the connectors in these small places?
 Also, is there any cleaning solution that would aid this process?  Thanks.

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 06:52:01 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

Lisa Madsen wrote:
>A note to all you cubic inch boys, yes, displacement can't be beat, but
>what about the challenge, interest & sheer F*U*N to take something that's
>NOT the norm and make it into something as fast or faster then the common
>ol' BB's?  I always wanted to take a straight six and see what could be
>produced outta those 250 CID's.
That's exactly why I am hoping to run 12's at the 98' Mondello Nationals
with my 350 Rocket!

>Good heavans - dare to be DIFFERENT!
Thank You, my thoughts exactly...


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 06:52:00 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: RE: MCC on-line voting(olds related)

Lisa Madsen wrote:
>P.S.  I voted for you Fred.

Count one from me too...


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:42:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: net parts search

Can't use the "s*bscribe" word...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From:AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: net parts search
Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>

I know for a fact that not all of the GM parts dealers are on these lists,
just the ones that subscribe to them. So you might want to call all the GM
dealers in your area with the part ªs that you need just to be sure that they
don't have it.The reason I say all GM dealers is that any GM dealer can order
a GM part, and they may have ordered it for some one who didn't pick it up.
The other reason is that some GM parts will fit some or all makes of GM cars.
You might also find the independent AC delco distributor in the area as they
have GM parts but they are under a different ª also try some of the big air
conditioning shops in the area and see if they stock AC delco parts if thats
what you need. I work for an OLDSMOBILE & CADILLAC dealer and that's what we
do if we don't have the part in stock. Hope this helps some of you.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:49:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Logo

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
> At our last show at a dealership our goodie bags included a black square
> plastic (flexible) key ring with the new logo- but it has 100 anniversary
> and 1897 - 1997 across the top and bottom.  I love it - did they have these
> at Lansing?  I need 4 more!!

Lisa, the Alpha One tent was selling these along with all of the Olds
logo stuff. They are in their catalog too. Catalog ª 18-CS-6612, $0.59
each. If you buy a few more vehicles, you might be interested in getting
the case of 500, at $359.00. ;-)  Alpha One is at 800-338-2955.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:52:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)

On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
> 1) In the lifter bore galley, there was a metal "tray" (for lack of a better
> term) that bolted to the top of the block, in between the lifter bores, and
> it covered the opening that exposes the camshaft.  This was just a suprise to
> find.  Looks stock, is it just to keep crap off the cam, and give sufficient
> oil drainback?

I found one of these last year in my 350 also. Since I was replacing the
intake gaskets with the big turkey tray style it didn't go back in (they
can't coexist). I dunno what purpose it serves but the engine doesn't
seem to mind not having it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:55:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)

Reply to message from ab348@chebucto.ns.ca of Sat, 20 Sep
>
>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>> 1) In the lifter bore galley, there was a metal "tray" (for lack of a better
>> term) that bolted to the top of the block, in between the lifter bores, and
>> it covered the opening that exposes the camshaft.  This was just a suprise 
to
>> find.  Looks stock, is it just to keep crap off the cam, and give sufficient
>> oil drainback?
>
>I found one of these last year in my 350 also. Since I was replacing the
>intake gaskets with the big turkey tray style it didn't go back in (they
>can't coexist). I dunno what purpose it serves but the engine doesn't
>seem to mind not having it.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>
>
  Hi, i'm not totally sure on this one, i'm still somewhat new, but it
sounds like it may be there to keep heat away from the intake?
- -72 442
- -70 delta 88 2DR HT
- -87 cutlass supreme


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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:20:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '78 Delta Dash Lights

Anyone know if the heater controls in a '78 Delta are illuminated at
night? I assume they would be, and mine aren't, so I thought I had a bad
bulb. But looking in the manual, they don't mention that they have a lamp
there, let alone what kind of bulb you'd need. Any ideas?

I think the dash lights on this car are haunted anyway. Over the last
couple of weeks, one of the speedo lights was flickering one night on
bumps, but has been fine since. The ashtray light never worked, but last
night I saw light around the edges of the thing and opened it up to see
it was working. Plus last night one of the clock lights suddenly started
to work too after not having done so ever before. Strange.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:51:43 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, ROKMORT@aol.com wrote:
>
>What does Honda got to do with AOL?
>

They both are inferior products!  But people buy them anyway and really
believe their good products.  To each their own!

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:57:17 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Don Ross (fwd)

 son-in-law has dealt
>> > > with the insurance guy who totaled the silver car.  Bleah.  Don's a
little >> > > depressed, I guess, more about the car than his health; I'm sure
>> > > he'd appreciate a note or phone call... >> > > > >> >  Don Ross, 1221
Old Waterbury Road, Southbury CT 06288, 203/264-6288. > >Doug >


Man what a terrible story!  Thank God Don made it to the hospital.

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:08:35 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!

Just as an aside... after RC posted his response on this subject, I got a
bounce from *every* AOL account on here (at least as near as I could
tell) that it was undeliverable. Apparently  AOL imploded this morning....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:00:33 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Body bolt info

I got a fender bolt and a clip nut at Western Auto in Va Beach. There's
also an antique car parts place out there on Witchduck Rd. which carries
parts for interior trim, window bushings and misc body parts. I'm sure
that one of our friends in the Tidewater area could look in the phone
book and give us the name of this place and it's phone number.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:34:26 -0400 Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
writes:
>Charley Buehner wrote:
>>
>
>> Has anyone checked Summit?  I think some of their suspension
>companies
>> were carrying polyurethane body mount sets.  They'd treat you better
>> than most dealerships would, I'm sure...
>> --
>Charley!  What I'm talking about here is not the body mount bushings
>or
>anything, I'm talking about is this:  what if you lose the special
>bolts
>to the front fender you took off 3 months ago?  Or if you don't have
>the
>barrel nuts to install the emblems on the trunk lid, what do you do?
>Or
>if you need a new push on clip for interior moldings, what do you do?
>Or if the front lower J-clip nuts that the bolts go into that hold the
>fender to the bottom of the cowl aren't J shaped anymore, where do you
>go?  This company makes the same body clips and fasteners that were
>originally used on the cars of old.  New cars too!
>
>As for body bushing bolts and things, yes, companies like Summit have
>those items.
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 00:33:36 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: Fall Carlise

I will be attending Fall Carlisle. We will be camping on the grounds with a
tent trailer. I will post my buddys cell phone ª and licence plate ª later.

Brian Kerr
Cambrige Ontario
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:51:28 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Original key blanks for sale

>RC,
>
>On my '78 Delta I have problems with the keys. Both sets are copies...
>the originals are long gone. I suspect they are well-worn.....

Very common.  The keys your (actually the cuts) are off specs.  GM sidebar
locks only have about a .003 tolerance, if that.


>Without the GM key code numbers, is there any way of determining what the
>code would be from the key pattern itself and getting new ones cut at a
>dealer?

Yes a new key cut to original specs. should do the trick, but don't go to a
dealership.  Have a locksmith do it.  Most charge around $5.00 to "cut a key
by code", (per key).  Even though you don't have the knock outs, the lock
combination can be determined from your current keys.


<Or do I need to pull the lock cylinders?>   Not unless your bored! :)
Actually, some of the old ignitions have the "code" stamped on them, but they
stop this years ago.  Guess the bad guys find out!  If you want, I'll be glad
to do it for you, (just make sure you keep a set before mailing).  For 2 keys
cut to original factory specs. (by code), 1 trunk - 1 ignition = $5.00 for
both including return postage and original GM blanks.


<Anything you might suggest in the way of a lubricant for the locks that might
help?>

Well not for a quick fix in your case, have the new keys cut.  Any time a off
spec. key is used, it puts unnecessary wear on the keyway and lock cylinder.
For periodic maintenance, use graphite!  Some of my locksmith buddies disagree
about WD-40 for GM locks.  I use WD-40 for everything except GM locks.  Over
time, (and I mean years), it seems to contribute to corrosion.  Unless the
lock is kept well lubricated.  Which most people don't do.  Anyway, (sorry to
ramble), use graphite!  The powder form is as messy as ground coal!  Most
hardware or home centers sell a liquid form.   Works great!

TO EVERYONE:  People don't even think about locks until there's a problem.
Locks are mechanical, and have very small, interworking parts that can gum up
or wear out if not maintained.   We keep our engines in tip-top shape!  Just
squirt a little liquid graphite in the key hole twice a year and work the
cylinder back and forth a few times.  Do this and your locks will be happier
than you are.  :)

hope this helps!   By the way Greg, do you talk on AM, sideband radio.  I'm
asking because I talk to alot of Nova Scotian's from here in Detroit.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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