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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, September 15 1997      Volume 01 : Number 848



Re: So many Olds, so little time
Re: E-400 motor
Re: 86 Olds Cutlass
Re: So many Olds, so little time
67 Cutlass Supreme conv
OOPS!  69 console colors
Body bolts
where oldsmobile?
66/67 425 442s
Re: where oldsmobile?
425 Olds
68 455
Re: OOPS!  69 console colors
Re: 68 455
455 Motors 4-Sale
Re: 86 Olds Cutlass
Oldsmobile question
Re: 66/67 425 442s
Re: (`80 Cutlass) My latest set of wheels.
Vista Cruiser Scripts (2)
Production Figures (2)
'86 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Re: '86 Olds Cutlass Supreme
4spd auto tranny ID help plzzzzzzzzz!!!!
Re: troubleshooting
Re: troubleshooting
Re: 4spd auto tranny ID help plzzzzzzzzz!!!!
Re: So many Olds, so little time
Re: 68 455
Re: 442/Cutlasses
Re: 68 455
Re: U-joint Strap for '70 SX
RE: 442/Cutlasses
Internut
Re: 455 Motors 4-Sale
New Member
Re: A better machanical fuel pump
Re: A better mechanical fuel pump
Re: Octane Ratings
Re: Octane Ratings
Re: wanted: ram air
Re: I hope I didn't screw up my tranny
Re: Octane Ratings
Re: Octane Ratings
Info on the "Hello" spammer
Re: Octane Ratings
Re: I hope I didn't screw up my tranny
Re: O.C.A. why join?
Re: Octane Ratings
Re: Oldsmobile question
Re: Octane Ratings
Re: Oldsmobile question
Re: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds
Re: O.C.A. why join?
Re: O.C.A. why join?
Re: 84 H/O engine swap
Re: O.C.A. why join?
Re: O.C.A. why join?
Re: O.C.A. why join?
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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 22:54:22 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: So many Olds, so little time

Hi Mike,

I've got an '85 Delta 88, and I know all about the lack of power that
the 307 puts out.  If it's tuned right, with decent gearing, they can be
fairly quick.

I've got two 'easy' suggestions for you:

The biggest problem with the 307 is in the intake system.  If you're
looking into some motor mods, get the valves and ports done (bigger). If
you're the adventurous kind, pick up a performance intake manifold and
high-flow filter, such as K&N.

What does your Custom Cruiser have in it for a tranny?  Assuming that
it's the TH200r4 (4spd. auto), it's got the 'highway' rear end gears,
(2.14-2.73) which allow for increased gas mileage.  A subtle change in
rear-end gear ratios (like 3.23) would give you better acceleration, and
you'd still get decent gas mileage.  If you wanted *more* torque, you
can always go to higher rear gears, like 3.73 (or higher), but fuel
economy would certainly suffer.  Unless this CC is going for times in
the 1/4 mile, stay away from posi;  it'll cost you more to buy, plus
help wear out the tires when turning sharply.

When both of these mods are done, and you want *more* snap to the 307,
go to dual exhausts, with free-flowing mufflers, like 2-chamber
Flowmasters.  After that, we'll talk about .500 lift comp cams, 3500
stall converters, and all of that fun stuff...

Any more questions, ask away...

P.S.--I can't sign off without the usual Pontiac bashing (in good
spirits, of course...)

Poor Old Numbskull Thought It's A Cadillac


S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:08:56 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: E-400 motor

Chris

        YES! They will rev higher than a 425. Got a little less piston mass.
These things will turn almost 7000 RPM. Just got my short stroke with the
Arias pistons
NHRA cheater cam .475 lift, 328/348 duration on 107 degree lobe centers
back. This thing is going to fly when installed in my 67 W-30 with 4.33's.
We're looking for mid to high 12's without hurting the engine whatsoever.
        I need one of your universal flywheels if they are avail. Didn't
know anyone had one.
        Yep. ALL TC and W engines had the casting number followed by a -1
cast in above the center exhaust ports. Also, the TC and W engines had the
letters TC or W stamped in the passenger side head with the unit number.
Interesting huh?
Std 442 400's just had plain big valve "B" heads.
        Got this info drummed into me by a couple of my 66-67 W-30 experts.

Jim Chermack


At 12:42 AM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On the E-400 motor, Jim Chermack writes:
>-They rev higher than any other BB...
>
>[[Even the 425?]]
>
>-the lifters are around $150 a set...
>
>[[Last set I bought was about $90- try National Automotive Lines, JC Whitney,
>and Engine Service Group. ]]
>
>-Also the flex plate or the flywheels
>are different from 68 and later. The bolt pattern is funky. So you MUST have
>one of the 66-67 parts. Otherwise it's just like any other Olds engine. Hope
>this helps.
>
>[[Unless, of course, you use one of my race-proven universal flexplates, fit
>all the V8 engines '64 thru 90 or whenever they quit making them. -RS]]
>
>[[66 TC & W motors had "dash-1" heads? Dang, another thing to add to the FAQ I
>guess... so, you say this was after the *casting* number. Are you saying the
>very casting was different, with a CAST-in "-1" after the casting ID, or same
>old casting, but with a STAMPED-in "-1" after the cast ID, or a stamped in 
"-1"
>after the typical Engine Unit Number which was stamped into the front of the 
RH
>head?
>  The cast-in casting ID mentioned above would be the 6-digit id found usually
>on pre-68 heads among the valvesprings, and split into 3-n-3 on each side of
>the lower center RACover bolt on later heads. ]]
>
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:29:48 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 86 Olds Cutlass

Hi Clarence,

Hmm...the 307...you're not the first one looking for "more squak from a
small-block".

The 307 is in fact a good motor, but it *is* a little underpowered;  I
should know, I drive one.  There are a few 'easy' cures for this:

Number one, the motor has athsma--it can't breathe...the intake is too
restrictive.  The best thing you could do is pull the heads off, and
have the ports done up (widened), and larger valves installed.  It
should cost you between $300 and $500 for this little mod, but it'll be
worth it.  If you're willing to shell out a few more bucks, go to a
high(er) performance intake manifold (like Edelbrock), and a high-flow
paper filter, or a foam-style filter.  You could likely do all of these
mods for $700-$1000, and you'll notice quite a difference...that alone
*could* add anywhere between 20-30 horsepower, if not more.

Do you have single or dual exhausts on the Cutlass?  If you've got
duals, leave them alone, but a pair of 2-chamber Flowmasters would let
it breathe easier (and give it a nice rumble).  If you have the single
exhaust, pick up a pair of headers, twin Flowmasters, and run true
duals. It may require some custom fabrication, so the price could range
anywhere from $250-$500.  This wouldn't be my first choice...do the
intake mods first.

Another inexpensive mod is the rear-end;  the 2.46 rear-end is good for
gas mileage, but is a ball-and-chain performance-wise.  If you were to
go to a slightly higher ratio, such as 3.23-3.73, the Cutlass would pull
harder off the line, and the o/d would keep the revs down on the highway
(which keeps gas mileage reasonable).  It's a simple equation;  the
higher you go (3.73, 4.10), torque increases (and kills the fuel
economy).  Are you going to race the car at all?  Even stoplight to
stoplight?  If so, go with a posi rear-end, and a 3.73 ratio.  If it's a
daily driver, stay away from posi-traction;  all it'll go is wear out
the tires when driving in the city (and boost the purchase price).  This
mod *should* be the cheapest;  since I've never done it, I can't give
you any real numbers, but I know that a used set of non-posi rear gears
should go for $75-$150.  It would give the Cutlass more acceleration,
but add that to the intake mods and dual exhaust set-up, that 307 will
seem like a fresh 350...

Once you're done all of that, the car will be a prime candidate for a
wicked camshaft, high-stall torque converter, and a Stage 1 shift-kit in
the tranny.  The 307 runs about 150hp stock, but all done up (cam,
intake, headers, etc) it could be in the 200-220 ballpark...that would
be one quick Cutlass!

Hope I could help,

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:30:32 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: So many Olds, so little time

Mike

        I live right down the street from that brown 68 Toro. Nice car. Runs
fantastic. Looked at buying it a month ago. He originally wanted $4300 for
that car. I think $2500 is a steal for it. It's clean. I've been lucky to
find alot of very clean Olds here in Virginia. Ask Greg B about all the rust
free cars he saw when he was down here. He wanted me to ship them up to him
in Canada. For the last 9 years this has been an excellent place to find
rust free CHEAP (relatively speaking) cars. We are looking at a 70 442
(rally red) original paint (good shape) coupe, original everything with
82,000 miles 6 year old interior with black stripes, SSII's and two quarter
size holes in the fenders. Looking to fix the rust correctly and detail the
car up and sell this one. Someone would have a really neat car for a very
good price. Don't let anyone tell you there are not some deals out there.
They are if your willing to look a little harder. Just my $.02.

Jim Chermack
Virginia Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869


At 08:42 PM 9/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I just came back from Virginia's Eastern Shore. The DelMarVa Peninsula
>for those in the know, this peninsula on the ocean side of Chesapeake Bay
>has portions of three states; Delaware, Maryland and Virginia (hence
>DelMarVa). It is one of the oldest parts of the country and very hard to
>get to (being a peninsula and all). A little town near us, a place called
>Onandacock, VA (spelling?) was founded in the 1600's. I think it was
>1680, almost 100 years before the ratification of our Constitution. My
>wife and I on the antique front found a dining table, ONE PIECE, approx.
>7 feet long and 3 and a half foot tall, made completely out of TEAK! The
>10 grand price tag was out of my league but the craftsmanship and carving
>was incredible and all out of one piece of wood... Did I mention we also
>went looking for Olds' while we were there? Guess I better get to that :-)
>
>Olds' Everywhere....
>
>First off, like to plug a car I drove in Virginia Beach on Virginia Beach
>Boulevard. Darn near got that Toro Fever I've heard so much about. It was
>a 1968 Toronado with great solid sheet metal, all original interior
>(excellent for a 30 year old car), a C-head 455, drove it, loved it, the
>$2500 price was more than fair but an awful risk for a daily driver for
>the next two years... The guy selling it is John Zilinsky. His home phone
>is 919-453-0548. This would be a great restoration project, wish I could
>have taken it home. The Oldsmobuilding is first though...
>
>I did end up buying a 1987 Olds Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser. White with
>plastic woodgrain, blue interior and everything works. The car is in
>great shape and I drove it back to Michigan via the Allegheny Mountains
>in Pennsylvania and never missed a beat. I took it home for $2500. The
>wagon is equipped with this 5.0 L Olds engine, 4 barrel equipped, one can
>assume a 307 is what resides in the engine bay. Da*n, they put a lot of
>emissions crap on those cars back then. This wagon has a serious lack of
>usable horsepower problem. All opinions on how to repair this issue are
>EXTREMELY welcome.
>
>Well, that about raps it up, still scratching my sunburn and drove lots
>in lots of Olds' on the trip. There were a ton of cars on the peninsula
>and their rust free condition, hoo-boy! I will be going back to buy more
>as time goes on I'm afraid...
>
>Till next time,
>Mike
>
>
>Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
>Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
>The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
>1971 Oldsmobile 442
>1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
>1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
>1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm
>
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:38:23 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: 67 Cutlass Supreme conv

Looking at the above car to purchase and have no idea what to look for
or how much it's worth.Details are as follows:

330 c i
2 spd a/t
bench seat w/center arm rest
5 year old top
car smokes a little buts is supposed to run fine (owner thinks it is
valve seals)
trunk floor has been replaced, floor pan has not
window seals rotted away
white w/white interior

Owner says the rear body supports(?) are rusted and need to be
replaced.  He says they hold up the rear of the car and can be replaced
by raising the body and welding new ones in.  I had no idea as to value
of the car and/or where to look for trouble spots engineered into this
model.  I do have several Cutlass/442s from 69-72 but no experience with
anything before this.  Any info would be appreciated.  The seller does
have all documentation on the car.  My book does say about 7800 of this
model were built and the 330 has 250+ hp.

Thank you for any assistance.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:26:20 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: OOPS!  69 console colors

Correction!!! Alas, I must retract an earlier statement I made on 69
Cutlass console colors on that thread a while back.  SANDALWOOD is the
color of the console when Antique Parchement interior was ordered (937
or 977 trim code). Black belts, carpet and dash/steering column and
floor mats though.  I apparently made the mistake of looking up console
colors in the '71 Assembly Manual, vice the '69 one.  In '71, white
interiors came with black consoles.  It seems whatever the carpet color
was in '71, so goes the console color.  Again, I was wrong.  And I
accept full  responsibility.  I am shamed.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:29:27 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Body bolts

I'm sure this has been kicked around here before, I just can't
remember.  Who manufactures/sells the special fender/body bolts and
J-clips that go on the BOTTOM of the front fenders for a 69 Cutlass?  I
can find the fender to cowl ones from places like Year One, but they
don't carry the bigger ones.  I wonder if GM still sells em.....

TIA
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:37:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: where oldsmobile?

>"David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
>Subject: [none]
>
>who oldsmobile

> you oldsmobile

Heh,

me oldsmobile, too!
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:56:32 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: 66/67 425 442s

Ahem.  This is gonna sound weird, but a fellow Oldsmobiler I was talking
to tonight on the phone told me about a 425 powered 442 either 66 or
67.  I want to say 66. (Ok, I said it)  He said the 442 emblem on the
trunk lid had a die-cast 425 made into the emblem, where the 425 was
hanging off the bottom of the 442 badge.  He says he only seen the one,
and this was back when the car was new.  This guy has never told me B.S.
before about Oldsmobiles, but I always thought 400s were the norm.  I
remember a thread way back on this subject, that's why I'm writing this
now.  Anyone ever hear of such an animal?  I still would find it hard to
believe.  But anything is possible I guess.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:13:00 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: where oldsmobile?

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> >"David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
> >Subject: [none]
> >
> >who oldsmobile
>
> > you oldsmobile
>
> Heh,
>
> me oldsmobile, too!
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu


Hey, we all Oldsmobile!!!!!!!!!!

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:06:40 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: 425 Olds

I'm looking for anyone who has build a sucessful 425 for drag race only.
Thanks, Rod

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:11:18 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: 68 455

hello all I have a 68 Olds with a 455 in it. It has the c heads. This is
about all I know about it. I think it is the higher compression engine.
I don't have any specs and was wondering if anyone could guess the hp or
thell me how to figure it out without a dyno?

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:30:33 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: OOPS!  69 console colors

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> Correction!!! Alas, I must retract an earlier statement I made on 69
> Cutlass console colors on that thread a while back.  SANDALWOOD is the
> color of the console when Antique Parchement interior was ordered (937
> or 977 trim code). Black belts, carpet and dash/steering column and
> floor mats though.  I apparently made the mistake of looking up console
> colors in the '71 Assembly Manual, vice the '69 one.  In '71, white
> interiors came with black consoles.  It seems whatever the carpet color
> was in '71, so goes the console color.  Again, I was wrong.  And I
> accept full  responsibility.  I am shamed.
>
> Mike Rothe
Mike,

Don't be shamed my friend.  The only people who don't make mistakes are
the ones who do nothing or are too vain to admit their failures.  I used
to drive my employers crazy with my perfectionist attitude when they
wanted production of a reasonably good product instead of a 100% a
correct one.  If people who went to CPA firms for tax work, audit
reports, etc. knew how they were really ran, they would be disappointed
by what they saw and got for what they were charged.

DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF!  Life is too short.  Later.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:25:14 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: 68 455

Hi Terry,

Yes, the c-head 455's are the higher compression one's (I think, but
I've been wrong before).  The compression ratio is 10.25:1, and the
horsepower should be in the 290-310 range, if the motor is stock.  Check
out the FAQ on http://www.442.com ...I think that's where I got my
numbers from.

Here's a quick way to determine if it's the high-comp engine;  on the
gas cap (or anywhere, for that matter), does it say "Premium Gasoline
Only", or anything to that extent?  If so, you've got the 10.25:1 motor.
Let me put it this way;  if you put regular unleaded (87 octane) in the
high-comp engine, it'd knock, ping, and eventually blow a piston.  If
you've ever run regular gas without any abnormal engine operation,
you've got the 8.5:1 engine.

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:34:40 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: 455 Motors 4-Sale

If anyone is intereseted my neighbor is selling 3 Olds 455 motors.
One is only a block and the other two are nearly complete. ***$200.00***
for all three. I now one is a 72 motor. Not sure about the other two. I
can find out more info if anyone is interested. They are in Medina,
Ohio. I don't know if you can ship something like this.
                              Joe

1971 442.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:47:02 -0400
From: Brian Kennedy <kennedyb@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: 86 Olds Cutlass

iF YOU WANT MORE @SS FO YOUR 307...MIGHT I SUGGEST A 455 IN ITS ANEMIC
PLACE......THINK BIG
BRIAN KENNEDY
85 CUTLASS/455

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 97 01:18:29
From: "Jesus M. Rodriguez" <zeusman@ibm.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile question

A little car info the following questions will all relate to my 1984 Olds Delta
88 with the 307 V-8.

1) Does there exist an Oldsmobile mailing list where I can ask my tech 
questions
     like this f-body list?

2) The car has a few things wrong with it, grant it they are minor but annoying
non-the-less.
      The passenger side sunvisor won't stay in the up position.  I've tried
tightening the screw
       next to the hinge, but that did nothing.  Any ideas as to how to fix 
this
problem?

3) When the car is cold it has a hard time staying ON when I put it in gear.
The car starts fine
     and idles normally in Park or Neutral, but once in Drive or Reverse it 
cuts
off.  I have to let the car
     warm up for several minutes before everything is normal. Do any of you 
know
what could cause this?

That's about it for now.  Again I apologize for taking up bandwidth with this
Olds question, but I'd appreciate any help you guys/gals can offer.

Jesus Rodriguez
95 Black T/A
84 Olds Delta 88




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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 01:19:52 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: 66/67 425 442s

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 66/67 425 442s
> Date: Sunday, September 14, 1997 11:56 PM
>
> Ahem.  This is gonna sound weird, but a fellow Oldsmobiler I was talking
> to tonight on the phone told me about a 425 powered 442 either 66 or
> 67.  I want to say 66. (Ok, I said it)  He said the 442 emblem on the
> trunk lid had a die-cast 425 made into the emblem, where the 425 was
> hanging off the bottom of the 442 badge.  He says he only seen the one,
> and this was back when the car was new.  This guy has never told me B.S.
> before about Oldsmobiles, but I always thought 400s were the norm.  I
> remember a thread way back on this subject, that's why I'm writing this
> now.  Anyone ever hear of such an animal?  I still would find it hard to
> believe.  But anything is possible I guess.
>
> Mike Rothe

Mike,
It is possible that this was dealer installed and that the badges were
pieced together.  I recently saw a 65' ****** with 383 badges. They were
283
badges reworked. I have 455 fender badges from a (Indian) on my 67' and I
get questioned all the time. This is my guess. I put this story in the same
class
with the 421 powered GRAN TURISMO OLOMAGATO.

The General

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:34:33 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: (`80 Cutlass) My latest set of wheels.

>Brought home another Olds yesterday.  Just had to tell everyone about
>the latest reason for my parents to threaten to throw me out the house.
>:)  I was browsing the classifieds Thursday when I ran across an
>intriuging ad that read: 1980 T-top oldsmobile, needs motor, $125.

That'd be a hard one to pass up!

<snip>
>were present and intact.  I was also impressed with the options: Cutlass
>Calias, T-tops, power windows, reclining bucket seats, console shifter &
>TH350, ralley gauges,3-spoke sporty steering wheel, AC, V-8, & handling
>package.  The motor was removed and lying under a tarp 'cause the guy

Well, he should charge you more, since he already did half the work you'd be
doing anyway... :)

>color BTW)  The interior has been *ravaged* by the sun.  The bucket seat
>upholstery is crubling,(foam's still good) as is the door panel
>upholstery.  It's amazing how much better shape the back seat is in.
>All that sunlight through the T-tops really did in the bucket seats
>before their time.  Dash is cracking, and the carpet is badly faded.
>Passenger inside door handle is missing as is the inside trim piece for
>the center bar of the T-top.  Car has been smoked in so the headliner is
>sagging.  The engine is a 260. :(

The interiors of that era were not all that durable. My '78's headliner sags
as well, though it's never been smoked in.

<snip>
>best option is to use the `70 350 motor that is presently in my `67
>cutlass.  The `67 will be getting a heavily modified 350 based on a
>diesel block, so it won't be needing the one it has now.  Maybe I can
>rebuild the `67's engine to put in the `80 and then slap a timing chain
>on the 260 and put it in the `67 to keep it mobile 'till I get a motor
>built up for it.  Even if I have to use *all* of the original smog
>equipment, I should at least pick up some low end torque with the 350
>engine.  I might go for true duals, I think VA will let you run dual
>catylists on a car that originally came with only one.  That way I could
>have some relatively free-flowing exhaust and still pass smog.  (No
>sniffer test in this part of the state)

That sounds like a decent plan; a timing chain should be pretty cheap, and
on a 260 you don't really have to worry about degreeing in a cam. I also
imagine that the 350 would be noticeably quicker, even with the smog equipment

>after october to do that anyway.  This also means that my mom has
>informed me that if I drag home another "junk" car, I'll be sleeping in
>it. ;)

Ah, Greg, just wait until you graduate, get a job, and get your own house;
then your WIFE can be the one to tell you that you'll be sleeping in the
next "junk" car you drag home... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:18:44 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Vista Cruiser Scripts (2)

Erik,

I got the partnumbers from Everett Horton, who's on the list. I take it that
they're correct. Older cars/parts have smaller numbers, maybe that's
because they didn't have that much parts back then...

I've tried www.partsvoice.com, very nice! It came up with 2 LH
"Cruiser" scripts (384287) at "Ch*v* Parts Obsolete, Riverside, CA.
Now why would a Ch*v* dealer have Olds parts? Or does Ch*v* also
have a cruiser which uses the same part?

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn. The Netherlands
J.Hoekendijk@inter.nl.net
1964 F-85 Cutlass Vista Cruiser Custom

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:25:37 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Production Figures (2)

Paul,

I kinda hoped that it would be more rare...
1964 is the first year for the VC, it was introduced late that year. That's
why you won't find it in 1964 overall brochures, only in the one called
"introducing the 1964 Vista Cruiser".
In the 1964 service manual it also isn't listed, but now you gave me this
information, I'll check it again. When I'm home, since I'm at work now.

Thanks!

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
J.Hoekendijk@inter.nl.net
1964 F-85 Cutlass Vista Cruiser Custom

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 03:00:32 -0400
From: jprand@juno.com
Subject: '86 Olds Cutlass Supreme

OK everyone, I know that this question must have asked at least a
million times by now, but I'm going to ask it again since I personally
have never seen the responses. I have an '86 Olds Cutlass Supreme, 307
engine, 200 tranny. I want to swap out the 307 in favor of a 1975 Olds
350, which I just had rebuilt to the hilt. Will it fit, what do I have to
do to make it fit, and anything I need to know or change before the job?
I would also like to buy a Turbo 350 tranny out of a catalog, or
something like that, because I know that the 200 can't tolerate the
punishment of a rocket. Are there any bolt on trannys or adapters for
this application. And finally, I'm not sure what to do with the current
rearend, but I know I'll have to swap it out. What will fit, and where
can I get it? I'm going to be looking for 3.73 gearing, or in that
ballpark. Any and all responses are welcome. I need all the help I can
get, so any other things I forgot, or any tips are appreciated. I thank
you all for your time.

Jim Rand

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:16:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: '86 Olds Cutlass Supreme

im putting a 71 350 in my 86 t-top salon. all brackets and braces r the same.
use yur 86 hei setup. all external 307 will bolt onto the 350. im running a
boc 4 spd trans.
 any other questions, im at rcktpwr@aol.com//////

 bernie
cranford nj........................j-e-t-s jets jets jets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:22:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 4spd auto tranny ID help plzzzzzzzzz!!!!

i have a gm 4spd auto trans w/a yellow horiz. mted tag on it.   On the left
there is a "o" and on the right there is a "g". any help would b apprec.
 I got the rebuilt trans and a H/O dual (cat-bak) exh for $175 for my 86
t-top canadian
built cutlass salon.
 thanx in advance..................bernie

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:29:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: troubleshooting

just my .02cents worth, b-4 u take anything apart, key on, if pos to see dash
lights or headlites, see if any lights dim, meaning switch would b drawing
power and most likely motor is chevied, uh, im mean not working......bernie

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:32:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: troubleshooting

oooops, b-4 i forget, i once had a 79 10th aniv t/a, olds pwred of course,
same prob, lights would dim but no action, pulled window motors out (so much
fun) rebuilt and cleaned up, worked just fine,...................damn jets
lost to ne!!!!!! bring on oak!!!!!

bernie

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:36:11 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 4spd auto tranny ID help plzzzzzzzzz!!!!

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> i have a gm 4spd auto trans w/a yellow horiz. mted tag on it.   On the left
> there is a "o" and on the right there is a "g". any help would b apprec.

Don't know exactly, but I know if it were out of an H/O it would be
"OZ".

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:41:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: So many Olds, so little time

thats the kind version of the pontiac joke........

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:53:12 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: 68 455

thanks for the info yes it has that gas cap. I have set the timing
retarded to run lower octane gas. Would a different cam up the hp?
Terry

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 04:59:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: 442/Cutlasses

 Just a case of myths run amok again! Every 68 and 69 442 has a 336
 data plate. The story about "running out of 442 bodies so they had to
 use Cutlass ones" is not true!!!!!!
 John Pajak

 [[ Well, actually, I have seen 1 or 2 Canadian built 68-9 Cutlasses
where not only did the body tag match the VIN series-wise, but I think
the body sequential number matched the VIN s.n. also...
 --
 Chris  B. Witt
 *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
 wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha ! Just when I thought I knew something for sure about Oldsmobiles a
monkey wrench appears. We call this "Rocket Science"!!  :)

===
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Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 05:51:43 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: 68 455

Try Bryceman's Olds page @ www.442.com

- ----------
> From: Terry & Tammy <dawgs@conninc.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 68 455
> Date: Monday, September 15, 1997 4:11 AM
>
> hello all I have a 68 Olds with a 455 in it. It has the c heads. This is
> about all I know about it. I think it is the higher compression engine.
> I don't have any specs and was wondering if anyone could guess the hp or
> thell me how to figure it out without a dyno?
>
> Terry Teague
> 68 Delta Custom

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:57:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: U-joint Strap for '70 SX

Is there something special about these u bolts? could you use the ones from
any cutlass rear? if so i have a couple orignals (70's) laying around i would
part with. we are tailking about the two u-bolts that hold the u-joint to the
rear?

Keith Brumbley
71 442 conv.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:09:33 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 442/Cutlasses

John the URL has the slash  "\" going the wrong way. They should be "/"
or forward slash.

Here is the corrected URL:

HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

You have a good start on a nice homepage. I want to see a picture of the
70 W-30.


Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past

Check out the world's worst homepage:
HTTP:\\members.tripod.com\~JSPajak

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Internut

- ---"Etzel, Bobby"  wrote:

 John the URL has the slash  "\" going the wrong way. They should be
"/" or forward slash.
 Here is the corrected URL:
HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak
 You have a good start on a nice homepage. I want to see a picture of
the  70 W-30.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     Opps! It's a wonder I've gotten this far! Once I get some
pictures digitized I'll try to get them there....It's tough since we
don't have a PC at home....all my INTERNUTTING is done from work or
the local library!
The 70 W30 4 speed convertible is Matador Red with white stripes, top,
interior. It's a bucket seat/console car although the console is
missing (I have one for it)  It has SSIIs with 235-70R14 BFG T/As. It
looks like a 1000 point car from 50 feet away.......up close it's
obvious it needs a repaint!!
     Instead of a new PC, I spent all my $$$ on the garage (30x40).
The concrete floor is down and some wall sections have been built and
raised.....Hope I get the roof and shingles on before it gets too cold!
===

70 W30
72 W30
70 W31
+ lots more

John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:49:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Motors 4-Sale

On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Joe Artwell wrote:

> If anyone is intereseted my neighbor is selling 3 Olds 455 motors.
> One is only a block and the other two are nearly complete. ***$200.00***
> for all three. I now one is a 72 motor. Not sure about the other two. I
> can find out more info if anyone is interested. They are in Medina,
> Ohio. I don't know if you can ship something like this.
>                               Joe
>
> 1971 442.
>
I am interested .. Please e-mail me direct with as much information as
you can obtain.  I can hardly believe that motors "nearly complete"
(whatever that means) are going to be sold for $200.00.  Thanks for the
info.

Al

Al Varhus Columbus, Ohio http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:53:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: New Member

     Hi all. I'm the new kid in town. I'm looking to sell either my 1966
Delta 88 to fix up my 1980 Toronado Diesel or vice versa. I'd like to get
around $800 for the Delta or around $1000 for the Toronado. These prices are
not chipped in stone. If you are interested please send private e-mail to
AllNiteLng@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:14:13 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: A better machanical fuel pump

I use a Holley HI-Output mechanical pump on my 4-4-2.  It is rated at
80gph and 7.5 psi shut off pressure.  The Jeg's part number is
510-12-836.  It comes with extra fittings and can be used with or
without a return line to the tank.  A word of caution, the body of the
pump is cast.  It can break easily if you over tighten a fitting.  I am
on my second Holley pump, the first died (check valves quit checking)
after 13 years of off and on use.  The number for Jeg's is
1-800-345-4545.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:40:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: A better mechanical fuel pump

Hey

Why use a mechanical pump? I used a elec. pump when i did this to my 70
cutlass and it worked fine. The elec. pump is more reliable with N20. I
blocked off the second line and just used the supply line. The one small
problem i ran into was the block off for the mechanical pump. my father
machined one from alum. for me using the old gasket as a templet. They may be
avalible now. I did this a number of years ago.

Keith Brumbley
71 442 conv

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:50:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

Brad

VP racing fuel puts out a flyer that explains high oct. fuel and were and why
its used. your local VP seller should have these. If not you can send me your
address and i try and send you one. its says in general you would be wasting
money and fuel by running higher oct. then needed to prevent detonation.

Keith Brumbley
71 442 Conv
wkbzzzz@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:58:08 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

Keith (WKBZZZZ@aol.com) wrote:
>
> Brad
>
> VP racing fuel puts out a flyer that explains high oct. fuel and were and why
> its used. your local VP seller should have these. If not you can send me your
> address and i try and send you one. its says in general you would be wasting
> money and fuel by running higher oct. then needed to prevent detonation.

Interesting information.  I would like to not waste money by buying
octane
booster to get higher octane.  Do these folks have a web site?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:54:42 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Re: wanted: ram air

I deleted the sender of this e-mail. e-mail me back privately.  I dont want
to sell my hood outright but would like to trade for 66 tripower, if all
components are original and correct. Where are you located? I am in Georgia.

Mike
66 442
70 442
70 442 W30
71 442 Convt

______________________________________________________________________________

i flew into chicargo to see a hood desert dog had not to long ago he wanted
$350. all 4 corners were broke badly the frame was rotted and the center was
burned from a fire. And believe it or not i would have taken it but 350+150
shipping just wasnt worth it. the shipping was just to much. Im really
looking to trade a 66 olds tripower complete for it. Manifold, carbs,air
cleaners etc. Maybe someone will come looking for me. thanks for the help
guys. Maybe ill give ddogap another ring.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:03:07 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: I hope I didn't screw up my tranny

Hi all,

This morning in So. Cal (was raining so the roads are slick) I was
driving to work in my 82 DRB.  I normally drive the car manually
even though it is automatic.  While acceleration unto the freeway
ramp, I must had hit a puddle while in first.  I was amazed that the
car's speedo indicated 50+ mph speed which I soon let off my foot
from the accelerator.  I was amazed that it could even get that high
a mph.  It only lasted a second so I am hoping that I didn't screw up
the tranny.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:12:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

Chris

I'm not sure. But they are a fairly large company, i think out texas. Try a
search and see what you find. Or i can send you a copy of the flyer as long
as my suppler still has them. They make various grades (octs.) for racing
104, 110, 116
most of us would be using the 104 and mixing with pump high test.

Keith Brumbley
71 442 conv.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

Chris

Check out this site has a good explanation on the subject of octane.
http://www.osbornauto.com/raceman.htm

Keith Brumbley
71 442 conv.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:45:56 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Info on the "Hello" spammer

Unfortunately one of the disadvantages of being in digest mode at
the moment is the lack of full headers for tracing the sender of
spams hacking this list, though in this case it was probably a
throwaway account anyway. The other disadvantage is that my feed
sometimes truncates the digest for unknown reasons (I know Greg
is sick to death of _that_ topic :-), meaning that I didn't get a
copy of the sex spammer ad at all; if someone is curious about a
trace on that one, send me a copy with full headers and I'll take
a look. (_Full_ headers only, please.)

Anyway, turning to our Scam du Jour:

>From: enjy@comp.com

I seriously doubt it is from comp.com (if I had full headers
I could tell you for sure); that domain is in New York and
probably has absolutely no connection to this whatsoever. Do
not contact them.

(Typical pyramid scheme deleted.)

>                            CROWN INDUSTRIES
>               1630 NORTH MAIN STREET, SUITEª 310
>                        WALNUT CREEK, CA  94596

This is actually a rented mailbox at Mailboxes Etc. franchise ª164.
You can contact the owner(s) of the franchise at (510) 934-9318,
Fax (510) 934-0287 if you wish to complain. Important Note: Be polite;
they themselves are not the spammers, and cannot screen customers to
determine what's being done with their mailbox ahead of time, nor are
they likely to have any connection to this scam beyond legitimately
renting a mail drop. So polite persuasion to get them to bounce the
account is about all you can do.

>CROWN INDUSTRIES IS A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL
>BUSINESS TRADE ASSOCIATION.

Heh. Right.

(Preposterous, irrelevant first-amendment rant deleted.)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:44:51 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

Keith,

> Check out this site has a good explanation on the subject of octane.
> http://www.osbornauto.com/raceman.htm

Thanks.....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:55:44 -0400
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: I hope I didn't screw up my tranny

>Hi all,
>
>This morning in So. Cal (was raining so the roads are slick) I was
>driving to work in my 82 DRB.  I normally drive the car manually
>even though it is automatic.  While acceleration unto the freeway
>ramp, I must had hit a puddle while in first.  I was amazed that the
>car's speedo indicated 50+ mph speed which I soon let off my foot
>from the accelerator.  I was amazed that it could even get that high
>a mph.  It only lasted a second so I am hoping that I didn't screw up
>the tranny.
>
>Chris Sparks

Naaaah, I doubt it.  Especially since you let off *before* the tires hooked
up again.  I've done the same thing many times in the Vista Cruiser.  I've
even had the tires hook up under full throttle (zoom!) and so far there's
been no noticeable adverse effect.  (knocking on wood as I type this)  I'm
running a 350 2bbl with a TH-2004R BTW.  I would think you actually risk
tearing up the engne more than the tranny when that happens.  But I
wouldn't worry much about it.  A 307 can probably stand being wound out to
50mph in 1st multiple times without coughing up parts.  Wouldn't make a
habit of it though. :)

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:02:11 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

I think it really depends on where you live.  To me, in Eastern Washington
state, the one and only benefit to the OCA was JWO.  An okay magazine, and
access to the classifieds is nice, but it's not worth $30/year.  There are _no_
local chapters, the Puget Sound chapter is 300+ miles away and besides, they
never answered my inquiry letters.  There are no OCA events near here either.
The one time I had to write one of their technical advisors, I never got a
reply.  A copy of "Setting the Pace" was promised to members and I never got
one.  In addition, much of the substance in the JWO's amounts to internal club
politics (did I mention that I received my voting ballot for the last election
_after_ the due date?), which doesn't interest me at all.

However, if you're in an active OCA area, it may be worth it.  I'm sure I'd 
have
a wonderful time meeting other OCA members, and I'd have a great time talking 
to
them at an OCA event.  There just ain't no such animal around here.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:

> Thanks Steve and Dan!  I'm still considering joining OCA.
>
> I know the feeling of "talking for hours" about Olds' with people you just
> meet.  It's fun!  Since I bought my car, (June 97), it still amazes me how
> nice most "car people" are.  I've been in many different kinds of clubs in 
the
> past, (good and bad), and so far the nicest people are classic car people!
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:21:02 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

Keith,

> Check out this site has a good explanation on the subject of octane.
> http://www.osbornauto.com/raceman.htm

The site is
http://www.osbornauto.com/racemain.htm

Later....

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:25:16 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile question

Jesus M. Rodriguez wrote:

> A little car info the following questions will all relate to my 1984 Olds
Delta 88 with > the 307 V-8. > > 1) Does there exist an Oldsmobile mailing list
where I can ask my tech questions >      like this f-body list? >

You're soaking in it!

> 2) The car has a few things wrong with it, grant it they are minor but
annoying non-the-less. >       The passenger side sunvisor won't stay in the up
position.  I've tried tightening the screw >        next to the hinge, but that
did nothing.  Any ideas as to how to fix this problem? >

Not fixable if tightening the screw won't do it.  I've heard of people using a
big-f***ing-screwdriver to really tighten this down.  If that doesn't work, 
best
bet is to just get a new visor at the dealer.  They're probably still available
new.

> 3) When the car is cold it has a hard time staying ON when I put it in gear.
The car starts fine >      and idles normally in Park or Neutral, but once in
Drive or Reverse it cuts off.  I have to let the car >      warm up for several
minutes before everything is normal. Do any of you know what could cause this?

Check that the choke is in adjustment.  If it's okay, check the primary and
secondary vacuum break canisters for functionality.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:40:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Octane Ratings

In a message dated 97-09-15 11:28:16 EDT, you write:

<< Chris

 Check out this site has a good explanation on the subject of octane.
 http://www.osbornauto.com/raceman.htm
  >>
That should be "racemain".....instead of 'raceman'

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:49:47 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile question

On Mon, 15 Sep 1997, Jesus M. Rodriguez wrote:

> A little car info the following questions will all relate to my 1984 Olds
Delta 88 with > the 307 V-8. > > 2) The car has a few things wrong with it,
grant it they are minor but annoying non-the-less. >       The passenger side
sunvisor won't stay in the up position.  I've tried tightening the screw >
next to the hinge, but that did nothing.  Any ideas as to how to fix this
problem?
  More than likely the screw holes are just worn (had one like that)  you
can try various things, like:
  - bigger screws
  - take it off and put some folded paper in for washers on the piece
that turns (stiffens it up)
  - Duct tape the visor to the roof (just kidding, really)
  - A little bit of SILLYCONE can do wonders

>
> That's about it for now.  Again I apologize for taking up bandwidth with this
Olds question, but I'd > appreciate any help you guys/gals can offer.
  - Actually, text is nothing, all the emails on this list won't compare
to one picture or sound file, or movie file!!!

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970912
..............................................................

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:55:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds

In a message dated 97-09-13 06:16:28 EDT, you write:

<<
 SUBJ: Comprehending Computer Scientists -- Take Two

 Four men rode in a car: a mechanical engineer, an electrical
 engineer, a chemical engineer, and a computer engineer.

 The car stalled out.

 The mechanical engineer said, "It must be the pistons; let's repair
 them and be on our way."

 The electrical engineer said, "It has to be the spark plugs; we'll
 replace them and be ready to roll in no time at all."

 The chemical engineer said. "No, it's got to be bad gas; we'll flush
 the system and be on our way."

 They turned to the computer engineer. "What do you think we should
 do?" they asked.

 ((The computer engineer shrugged and said, "Let's get out of the car,
 close the doors, then get back in and try restarting it."))  or maybe...

"The computer engineer shrugged and said, "Let close all the windows,
 get completely out of the car, get back in, and then try restarting it."



 Kevin Hoopingarner
 '70 Olds 442 W-30
 Findlay OH.
  >>

I beli

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:37:46 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

At 09:02 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote:

>A copy of "Setting
>the Pace" was promised to members and I never got one.

>Tom Lentz
>tlentz@ior.com


Tom,

How long before this was promised were you a member?  I recall at the time
a number of people saying they were going to join as soon as they heard
that all members were to receive a copy.  I think you had to be a member of
a club as of a certain date to get a copy.  If you have been a long-time
member and didn't get a copy, I'd call Steve DeNovi or write to him and
inquire.  You should get one.


Sorry to hear about your woes in hooking up with the "local" chapter and so
forth.  But your case highlights the problem for anyone in the less densely
populated (with OCA members, that is) areas.  You've got one chapter in all
of the northwest.  We have four chapters in Ohio already, with the
possibility of a fifth one forming.  But then, after California, Ohio has
more OCA members than any other state.  And we're behind California by only
a small number, and they have three times the population.  It all depends
on where the center of mass of the membership is located.  Right now, that
location is in the midwest.  So that's where all the chapters are.


Dan



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Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 10:42:45 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> >A copy of "Setting
> >the Pace" was promised to members and I never got one.
>
> >Tom Lentz
> >tlentz@ior.com

How can those of use who aren't members get a copy of this book?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:01:19 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 84 H/O engine swap

There are plenty of ways you can set the engine up, but my personal
philosophy is to leave the computer controls intact.  It seems like a much
more elegant solution.  I don't think an H/O should be hacked and gutted
for a new engine.  Swapping in another olds small block, sure.  But if
you're going to gut it and hack things up, you could just as easily start
with a normal Cutlass.

If you use headers, you'll need ones with an O2 sensor fitting.  Use the
carb and distributor off of the 307 (I've heard this carb is something like
650 CFM, way more than a 307 needs and plenty for a 330).  If you
disconnect the computer, the biggest problem I can see is losing the lockup
torque converter.  You'll have to rig up something to lock this manually.

The tranny should work just fine, although I don't know if the 330 has the
same pattern on the flexplate (I know next-to-nothing about the 330).  If
the 330 is ultra-high compression, you should probably find a way to lower
the compression to a more reasonable value, like 9.0 or 9.5:1 to both live
on street gas, and be compatible with the computer.  A very lumpy camshaft
will also cause the computer problems.

Steve wrote:

> I wonder if anyone out there in Oldsmobile land can advise me as to the
> problems I am likely to run into by substituting a 65 330 (built) for
> the 307 in my 84 H/O.  I plan to use an aftermarket intake, probably
> with headers, at least not with the stock manifolds.  I expect I will
> have to replace the carb, and the HEI.  Perhaps, though, I am mistaken,
> and will be able to leave the computer hooked up except for the smog
> stuff?  If I disconnect the carb, HEI, and smog paraphenelia, will the
> computer still work in relation to the voltage regulator, A/C, guages,
> cruise control, neutral start switch, etc.?????  What about the trans?
> I have the option of using the 65 long block with the 84 setup, meaning
> intake w/carb, exhaust manifolds, and the whole shebang, but I'd rather
> "go for the gusto" and not choke the engine down with all the extra
> hardware.  I would appreciate it greatly if someone who has actually
> done this could advise me as to the pitfalls to expect.  Thanks.
> Steve.

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:07:42 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

I was a member for about 9 months before the book was promised.  I tried
complaining at the time, but I quickly hit a dead end.  OCA said it was Old's
idea to send out the book and the OCA had no control over Oldsmobile.  I'm no
longer an OCA member, so I doubt complaining now would get me anything.  At
this point, all the complaining, headaches, and stress just isn't worth my
time.  It'd be far more "efficient" for me just to buy the book.

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:

> At 09:02 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
> >A copy of "Setting
> >the Pace" was promised to members and I never got one.
>
> >Tom Lentz
> >tlentz@ior.com
>
> Tom,
>
> How long before this was promised were you a member?  I recall at the time
> a number of people saying they were going to join as soon as they heard
> that all members were to receive a copy.  I think you had to be a member of
> a club as of a certain date to get a copy.  If you have been a long-time
> member and didn't get a copy, I'd call Steve DeNovi or write to him and
> inquire.  You should get one.
>
> Sorry to hear about your woes in hooking up with the "local" chapter and so
> forth.  But your case highlights the problem for anyone in the less densely
> populated (with OCA members, that is) areas.  You've got one chapter in all
> of the northwest.  We have four chapters in Ohio already, with the
> possibility of a fifth one forming.  But then, after California, Ohio has
> more OCA members than any other state.  And we're behind California by only
> a small number, and they have three times the population.  It all depends
> on where the center of mass of the membership is located.  Right now, that
> location is in the midwest.  So that's where all the chapters are.
>
> Dan
>
> *********************************************
> Dan Gulino
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> *********************************************
> see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
> Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
> *********************************************

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:20:52 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

At 10:42 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote:

>> >A copy of "Setting
>> >the Pace" was promised to members and I never got one.
>>
>> >Tom Lentz
>> >tlentz@ior.com
>
>How can those of use who aren't members get a copy of this book?
>
>Chris Sparks

Chris,

You can buy one.  There are one or two vendors advertising in JWO who sell
them.  I can find the address if you're interested.  The price is $30, I
believe.


Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:32:15 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

At 11:07 AM 9/15/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I was a member for about 9 months before the book was promised.  I tried
>complaining at the time, but I quickly hit a dead end.  OCA said it was Old's
>idea to send out the book and the OCA had no control over Oldsmobile.

To me, this is a wimpy answer by OCA.  Where did Oldsmobile get the
addresses to send the books to?  OCA, of course!  If Olds didn't send one,
it's likely because your name wasn't on the list of people provided to them
by OCA.


Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:37:27 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

This may sound like a very dumb question, and it probably is, but
what the hell is OCA???


1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme 350 4 bbl
1975 Olds 98 Regency 2 Door 455 4 bbl
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 2 Door 350 4 bbl


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Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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