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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 25 1997     Volume 01 : Number 869



Re: Floor Pans
Re: 69 Cutlass Supreme Help
test
Re: Fubar
Re: [Fwd: Another 455 Head Question.]
Vote for Olds
100 Free Sex Channels When U Join.....
Discs!!
Re: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd) - NOT OLDS RELATED
RE: FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site
?'s about soldering body panels
Re: Olds "Quality" keys
Vote for Mark
Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades
Need more h*lp on swapping gas tank; setup of '70 vent on Cutlass?
FS 65 Starfire
Rallye 350 Chapter
Re: Big Brother amendment to HR 695
Discovery
Re: 330 part
Re: '70 VC Hinges
Re: '64 Cutlass
Interior works
Re: '64 Cutlass
Re: 72 Toro troubles
Re: Re[2]: New Acqusition.
Re: UNBOUNCE: Door hinge repair kits from year one
Re: UNBOUNCE: No replies to my stripping question
Re: Cleaning electrical connections
Re: UNBOUNCE: No replies to my stripping question
Parts request
72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4
Re: Posi Identification
Exhaust overhaul
56 olds convert
Tranny Mounts
Re: a mopar list like this one?
UNBOUNCE: 56 olds convert
67 425 block found and other junkyard stuff
RE: Need more h*lp on swapping gas tank; setup of '70 vent on Cut lass?
Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4
Thanks for the mopar help.
Re: External Therm.
Re: Thanks for the mopar help.
Re: Tranny Mounts
Oh man! need mopar sites again
(Fwd) Re: a mopar list like this one? AGAIN
BFG Drag Radials
1970 Paint Codes
RE: 1970 Paint Codes
Suprise
Re: Origin of FUBAR (non Olds)
Re: Tranny Mounts

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:18:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Floor Pans

Thanks for responding! It sounds pretty easy!

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 21:30:23 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass Supreme Help

>1. My car has a rear window defroster blower installed in the package
>deck.  It has a two speed switch on the dash.  Where can I find a new
>motor for this beast?

   Is the motor bad or is it the switch/wiring/connections?  If it is the
motor, most any decent electrical shop can rebuild it unless it's badly
fried-up/destroyed. Probably easier and cheaper than trying to locate the
same thing in good working condition.

>2. What is the difference in the body styles (holiday, etc.), how do I
>know what I have,

   Mick Gillespie has a great scan of 'The '69 Line-up' on his page.  It
exhibits all Oldsmobiles (side view of bodies) that were produced in 1969
labeled with it's body type.
The URL is .... http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/lineup.htm


  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:34:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: test

test

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:35:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fubar

In a message dated 97-09-23 21:31:43 EDT, you write:

<<         Fubar originated in Hollywood as far as I can tell. It was one of
the
 > lines Kurt Russel said to Sly Stallone in the movie "Tango and Cash"

 Yeah, is means

 F **ked
 U p
 B eyond
 A ll
 R ecognition / Repair >>


  That's funny, there's a team in my bowling league named FUBAR, and yes I
guess they are.  If I remember i will ask them next week.

Steve Dietrich

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:57:41 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Another 455 Head Question.]

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >Are Ka heads good on a 1970 455 motor. That's Capital "K", Lower case
> >"a". Bryceman's page says they are W-30/Marine/Toro heads. Any
> >comments/Facts.
>
> Well, for one thing, the "A" will be upper-case, but simply smaller and
> detached from the larger "K" (hence the "Ka" notation, compared to the later
> "*A" heads, which had the "A" adjacent to and the same size as the number
> (thus, "7A" vs. "7a").
>
> Those are listed as W-30 _replacements_. They are reputed to flow well. Do
> you have a set, or are you looking for a set?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
Recently bought a 71 442, car is Original except for the motor and
trans. It has a 1970 455 and 1970 OD T-400. Heads are KA.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:09:41 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Vote for Olds

 Mark Prince's W-30 is posted in the "My Classic Car" phot contest for this
week.
http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml
 Let's all get out and vote to support our favorite cars (Olds naturally),
and a real example in Mark's W-30.

It's really getting monotonous seeing all those Ch*vys winning week after
week. How about all the List members entering their cars in this contest? It
would be real nice to see a majority of Olds for a change.


Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:31:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: DATIC@aol.com
Subject: Discs!!

Greetings all,

     Am in Phoenix yet again, and finally had time to find, pull, and ship
everything I need to convert my convert. to front discs. Found them on a '70
98 at "Yank your
Part" . How's that for a name. Got everything from the spindles out for $80
for both.
They also have a '70 Delta 88 that still has the brakes on it. And, in the
front parking lot, they are selling a 1960 Super 88 4-door sedan. White over
faded moss green met. 4 barrel (looks new) with A/C and even the funky
triangular bottle of unidentify-able blue resedue. VERY complete and very
straight except for a shot in the extreme rear drivers qtr that also bent the
bumper. They are throwing in another rear bumper,however. They say you could
drive it out of the lot. Needs new upholstery and padding. $699.00.

     Later

     Dave T.
     1966 Dynamic 88 Conv.

P.S. My clock runs fast also +1hr a week. Is there any adj.?

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:39:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd) - NOT OLDS RELATED

I don't want to belabor a non-Olds point either, but here is a related
document that contributes a great deal to the understanding of the issues
involved.  This is not something that email users should ignore.  It boggles
the mind to see how much privacy and freedom of expression we have been
giving up.  We are all busy people with lots of demands on our time.  But
emailing your congress person is no harder than sending a message to this
list.

End of speech and apologies to all who believe this is an intrusion on
*their* privacy.

September 23, 1997

The Honorable Thomas J. Bliley
2409 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515

Dear Chairman Bliley,

        We write to express alarm about an unprecedented proposal that has
been advanced to impose criminal penalties on the manufacturing or
distribution of domestic encryption products that do not contain a
government-mandated "back-door." The proposal, drafted in large part by the
FBI, has already been adopted by the House Intelligence Committee, and may
be offered soon in the Commerce Committee by Reps. Michael Oxley and Thomas
Manton as an amendment to H.R. 695, the "Security and Freedom through
Encryption (SAFE) Act." The SAFE Act was originally intended to loosen the
export controls that have blocked U.S. companies from offering products
with strong encryption on the global market. The Oxley-Manton amendment,
however, changes fundamentally the nature of SAFE. Rather than liberalizing
limitations on encryption, the amendment drastically increases the
government's control over the use of both domestic and international
encryption technologies.

        We believe that this is a profound mistake. Never in peacetime has
our government attempted so completely to monopolize a single form of
communication; never has it required, in effect, a license to exercise the
right to speak. But that is what this amendment would do. In our view, not
only could this amendment make our citizens less secure, but it would also
contravene fundamental principles  of our constitutional tradition. We
would no longer be a leader protecting individual rights internationally;
we would instead become the architect of the most comprehensive
surveillance plan the world has seen since the end of the Cold War.

        We are law professors who believe this plan is as unconstitutional
as it is unwise. We may individually differ in our reasons, but we have
collected below at least some of the reasons that we take the position we
do. We urge Congress not to take this step now. No showing has been made to
justify so massive a change in our constitutional protections.

I.      An Attack on Basic Constitutional Rights

Freedom of Speech

        The amendment raises profound questions about rights of free
speech. The right to speak freely includes not only the right to say what
you want, to
 whom you want. It also includes the right to choose how to speak, and
whether to speak at all. The right has no preconditions. In America, at
least, you do not need a license to speak; you do not need the government's
permission to speak in the language of your choice; and you do not have to
organize your speaking in a way that happens to suit the needs of the
government. The Constitution no more permits Congress the power to regulate
the software within which speech may occur than it give Congress the power
to say what kind of paper a diary may be written upon. These are choices
rightly left to the individual.

         These freedoms are a basic part of the fabric of American
constitutional law.  The Supreme Court has upheld them in innumerable
rulings, including McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (affirming the
right to anonymous political speech); Riley v. National Fed'n of the Blind
("Mandating speech that a speaker would not otherwise make necessarily
alters the content of the speech."); Wooley v. Maynard (holding
unconstitutional New Hampshire's requirement that cars display license
plates bearing the state motto); West Virginia State Board of Education v.
Barnette (holding that compelled recitation of pledge of allegiance
violates the First Amendment) .

         The amendment would undermine these constitutional rights to free
speech. By imposing requirements on cryptographic programs - used by
individuals and corporations to protect the privacy and security of their
papers and telephone or e-mail conversations - it would in effect be
mandating the code software writers may write. Only governmentally approved
code could be used to transmit speech the speaker wants to protect; authors
and speakers would be required to use this code to say what they wanted to
say. This forced speech, we believe, takes the government's power too far.

        We accept that law enforcement agencies, if they obtain a warrant
based on a showing of probable cause, can intercept a person's
communications and seize a person's data.  But that power exists after a
finding of probable cause has been made. This amendment regulates citizens
before any finding of probable cause. It regulates the programs that
citizens may use before they speak at all. It requires every citizen to fit
his speech to a program essentially designed by the government, so that the
government is better able to monitor the citizen's speech. This preemptive
strike on free speech is without precedent in our constitutional tradition.
We believe it is profoundly misguided. Under the theory of the amendment,
the only permissible encrypted speech is governmentally licensed encrypted
speech. But this, we believe, the government cannot require.

Fourth Amendment Rights

        The amendment also raises troubling questions about the right to
privacy. Our Constitution presumes that there will be no secret searches.
Not only must the government ordinarily obtain a warrant for a search, but
its agents executing the warrant must also announce their presence.  This
is the knock and notice requirement, and the Supreme Court has made it
clear that this is a fundamental element of Fourth Amendment protections.
The amendment would abrogate this fundamental protection. By requiring
users of encryption to place their key with third parties who can be
compelled under the statute to hand that key over to the government, the
amendment makes possible secret searches by the government on an
unprecedented scale. These are not just telephone calls that the government
needs contemporaneously to search. It includes documents on a computer
disk, whether bank records or a diary. It is as if the state required the
deposit of house keys with a local bank, so that the government could use
that key secretly to gain access to an individual's house.

         More fundamentally, the amendment does violence to our Fourth
Amendment values by forcing all citizens to communicate in a way that
limits their ability to protect their own privacy. In an effort to downplay
the significance of its proposal, the FBI has argued that it is only
seeking to ensure the ability to obtain plaintext of data that it has
already obtained in encrypted form.  On this basis, the FBI tries to argue
that it is seeking no new authority.  On the contrary, under current law
and practice, if the government obtains access to encrypted data or
communications using any of the surreptitious means now at its disposal, it
has no power to assure access to the plaintext of that data. This country's
Fourth Amendment has never guaranteed law enforcement's ability to search,
seize, and understand every conversation, communication, or stored record
of every citizen. We have never required that every person -- whether or
not there is probable cause to believe they have committed a crime -- live
in the legal equivalent of a glass house, just so the government can
facilitate surveillance without the notice or consent of the searched.

II.     The Risks of a Global Key Recovery Regime

        We are most concerned, however, with the danger that this proposal
presents internationally. The new communications media are global in
nature. No nation regulates for itself alone. The proposed "solution" to
the encryption issue offered by the amendment will be most effective for
law enforcement only if it is widely adopted internationally. Section 501
of the House Intelligence bill in fact instructs the President to negotiate
agreements with foreign governments for "mutual recognition of any key
management infrastructures." Most countries, however, do not give their
citizens the same privacy protection that our Constitution guarantees our
citizens. Therefore this international recognition could present three
problems for the privacy interests of our own citizens.

        The first is the lack of privacy protection against foreign
government access to keys, whether stored in the U.S. or elsewhere. Few
countries assure privacy protections comparable to ours. Yet the "mutual
recognition" agreements essential to a global key recovery system will
require the exchange of key information with foreign governments. When
other countries request keys, many of these requests will be made on the
basis of procedures far less strict than those required under U.S. law.  In
these cases, it will be difficult or impossible to determine whether the
requesting country has complied with anything comparable to our warrant
requirements.  The risk is even worse when decryption information is held
outside of the U.S., for it will be impossible to assure that adequate
security precautions are followed by the other government's key recovery
system.  As a result, American citizens using encryption, both within the
U.S. and outside of the U.S., will do so without the privacy protections
provided under U.S. law, and without the technical security protections
provided by encryption without a backdoor.

         The second, and more fundamental problem, is the threat the
proposal poses to the historic role of the United States as a defender of
freedom. In countries throughout the world, the targets of surveillance
include dissidents, religious groups, the press, and economic enterprises.
We have long stood to protect the individual against such invasions by
governmental surveillance. Ours is not the society of big brother. Yet in
advancing this proposal, we would become the leader in establishing a new
global surveillance society. Especially where political oppression exists,
this will just increase the threats to liberty for these citizens, or for
our citizens as they may interact with these countries. The risks of key
escrow threaten the press, churches and other non-governmental
organizations, as well as individual citizens.

         Third, a global key escrow regime would be a threat to American
economic security. Other countries will use key escrow as a tool for
economic advantage. Following the American lead, other countries will be
emboldened to criminalize strong encryption and establish a key escrow
system along the lines of the proposed bill. As a condition of doing
business, American companies will be required to hand over their keys, and
in this way, foreign governments could gain the power to decrypt all
business communications that cross their territory. This again would allow
foreign governments to read confidential communications without any notice
to the company that it is under surveillance.

Conclusion

        Congress faces a historic choice about the shape of free speech and
privacy in the next century. In making this choice, there will no doubt be
many questions of profound importance to our constitutional values. But
there is little doubt that the Intelligence Committee substitute and the
Oxley-Manton amendment would inspire the creation of an unprecedented
system of global surveillance, expanding law enforcement authority and
circumventing the protections of the First and Fourth amendments. It is too
radical a change to make with so little thought. We urge you to resist it.


Sincerely,

Keith Aoki
University of Oregon School of Law

Kevin D. Ashley
University of Pittsburgh School of Law

Jack M. Balkin
Yale Law School

William E. Boyd
University of Arizona College of Law

Darryl K. Brown
University of Dayton School of Law

Dan L. Burk
Seton Hall University School of Law

Julie E. Cohen
University of Pittsburgh School of Law

Peter L. Fitzgerald
Stetson University College of Law

Eric M. Freedman
Hofstra University School of Law

A. Michael Froomkin
University of Miami School of Law

Llewellyn J. Gibbons
Franklin Pierce Law Center

Timothy Hoff
University of Alabama School of Law

Jerry Kang
UCLA School of Law

Ethan Katsh
University of Massachusetts

Andrew Koppelman
Northwestern University School of Law

Mark Lemley
University of Texas at Austin School of Law

Lawrence Lessig
Harvard Law School

Jessica Litman
Wayne State University

Henry H. Perritt
IIT Chicago-Kent College of Law

David G. Post
Temple University Law School

Margaret Radin
Stanford Law School

William D. Rich
University of Akron School of Law

Jon Romberg
Seton Hall University School of Law

Jim Rossi
Florida State University College of Law

Pamela Samuelson
University of California at Berkeley School of Law

Mark S. Scarberry
Pepperdine University School of Law

David E. Sorkin
John Marshall Law School

Peter Swire
Ohio State University College of Law

Note:  Institutional references are for identification only.  The views
expressed herein do not necessarily reflect the views of the organizations
referenced.

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 02:48:49 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site

Along the same lines, I ran across an interesting NOS parts/part car supplier
that was new to me. It's called "McGlumphy Automotive" and they claim if it
has ever been bolted on a GM, they've got it.  They also maintain a listing of
available Olds' by year (a good number of 72s and prior).  If nothing else,
they've got a really nice .gif of a W30 + W31.  The URL is:

http://dune.wolfenet.com/~donmc/

I also have scrounged around on the web a bit to fill up my links page, and
ran across a couple of oddball and funny Olds-related items that may be new to
some list members.  The URL for the links page is:

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/

Also (and probably more important!): Thanks for voting for my VC @
myclassiccar.com in the photo contest. She came in a respectable 4th, which
says a lot for loyalty to the breed, in light of the quality of some of the
others. Even better this week in the competition is Mark Prince's 72 W-30
(super sharp!). Check it out and be sure to vote for it.

Fred Orcutt
69 D88
72 VC

> -----Original Message-----
 From:oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca  On Behalf Of Mike Krumwiede MIS
Technician
Sent:Wednesday, September 24, 1997 2:21 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site

There is this web site I found out there, not entirely pertaining to
Olds, but its for ALL classic/muscle/race cars out there. Might want
to check it out, also has another tips/tricks/help area.

http://www.hotrodheaven.com/

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:50:21 -0600
From: Terrance Rohner <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: ?'s about soldering body panels

Does anyone know how to use solder in fixing body panels? I was reading
through the Eastwood Catalog and seen they sold solder for body panels
and was just wondering how it worked. Any replys would be greatly
appreciated.

         Terrance Rohner
         tthiel@lyrea.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:57:36 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Olds "Quality" keys

brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:

> I'm leaving them uncut and put them on the keychain I got from the
> Centennial for display at shows.  Anyone else ever see these?  I think they
> must be specials from 1987 when the slogan was "Oldsmobile Quality - Feel
> It".

Brad,

They used these in '88.  My parents have two sets of these to their '88
Cutlass Ciera.  One, if not both, of the inserts has fallen out over the
years (can be expected with 97K worth of use).  Thought I had a few of
these laying around the house, but I guess not.  I don't think they used
them '87, but I wouldn't bet alot of money on it.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:41:22 -0700
From: LARRY POLESNAK <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Vote for Mark

Hi everyone,give Mark a vote on the MCC page...I Did..
         GOOD LUCK MARK .....
 "http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml"
                                               Larry Polesnak
         6    2    S     T     A     R     F     I     R      E

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 03:10:53 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades

>Interesting. By 'A' body cars, you mean '73-77 Cutlass?  I presume this would
>also necessitate use of 15" wheels.

No, 14" rims will work, but not all of them. My former "city car" when I
commuted into the Bronx was a '76 Monte, and it had the 11" rear brakes, on
which I mounted a pair of studded 14" snows on regular steel wheels. Other
14" steel rims, however, would not bolt onto that car in front or back.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 03:10:58 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Need more h*lp on swapping gas tank; setup of '70 vent on Cutlass?

OK, dropped the old tank today from my '70 SX (darn, no build sheet), and
I'm getting ready to install the '71 version. Since I'm using the '70 pickup
(the ohmmeter didn't like the '71's) which has the return line built into
it, I've got three tubes (seemingly 5/16" and 3/8") sticking out of the
tank, and a "vent" thing that connected to the original tank with two very
different sized hoses (looks like 1/4" and 7/16"). I'd like to keep the
original vent setup, even though the new cap won't be vented. Can I just
hook up one of those hoses to the vent, or should I attempt to connect all
three? It looks like the hoses were different sizes for a reason; did one
tube extend into the tank more than the other? I also suppose the height of
the vent kept fuel from sloshing out under braking and such.

Is there anything I'm missing on this one? I'd like to get this back in
tomorrow, if possible.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:45:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: FS 65 Starfire

Found on Usenet, the usual disclaimers apply... I don't know them... yada
yada yada.
- --
Drew

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: "Alexis and Acie Moore" <AAMoore@mlctech.com>
Subject: FOR SALE  1965 OLDSMOBILE STARFIRE
Organization: Consolidated Communications Incorporated

FOR SALE: 1965 OLDSMOBILE STARFIRE,2 DOOR HARDTOP,BLACK INTERIOR,NEW
TIRES,POWER WINDOWS,AM/FM RADIO, A/C, ORIGINAL MILES 11079. THIS CAR HAS
BEEN IN THE FAMILY SINCE THE PURCHASE.
WE ARE THE THIRD OWNER OF THIS CAR. ASKING PRICE $6000.00

YOU CAN CONTACT RICHARD OR IZELLA MOORE AT 314-837-0364.THE CAR IS LOCATED
IN ST. LOUIS,MISSOURI

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Rallye 350 Chapter

Hello. I was wondering if anyone is in the rallye 350 chapter. In their
newsletter do they list classified ads? What kinds of things does the chapter
do? Does anyone have the phone number for the chapter?
Thanks
Jim

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:52:04 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Big Brother amendment to HR 695

Down in flames.  For anyone caring, (and you should if you're reading
this), the Oxley/Manton amendment (aka "Big Brother Amendment") was
squashed in the vote Wed. night.  SAFE was passed in the House, but the
amendment was tossed.  Thank God.  That's all I'm gonna say about this.
I realize this is non-Olds related, but it pertains partially to exactly
what we are doing now.  Posting messages.

Did you know that the very FIRST 68 H/O was rolled on it's way to the
meeting with GM execs?  That means John Demmer has the SECOND H/O ever
built.  (Keeping this post Olds-related.)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:31:41 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Discovery

>Come on Lisa, please share with us how the other half reacted to the recent
>addition to your fleet.  Will you be required to dispose of another
>vehicle, dispose of a child or go to counseling for your Oldsmobile
addiction?

Oh haha - I probably should have let you slip up & tell him in Julian,
hmmm?  Nahh, he just started this "I never got mad before" (my excuse) and
I repeated, verbatim, his string of comments regarding the unfinished state
of the current fleet and eventually, uhh, outalked him.

And I am selling the '69 so...it evened out sorta.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:32:29 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 330 part

Those 'cute' throws are stainless.  Go figure.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:40:13 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: '70 VC Hinges

I've got a '72 I'm parting out.  Should be interchangeable.  They're
available if you want them.  Make me an offer & we'll discuss pricing.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:37:44 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

I would appreciate any and all extra's.  Did you *ever* find your VC?

I've got itchy fingers to work on this car which I  haven't had in quite
awhile.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:12:22 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Interior works

I tried the trick suggested by the list member (who's name I callously have
forgotten) and did the interior in the '69 Toro with baby oil.  The car had
sat in the desert for 5 years and was *DRY*.  Four coats of oil soaked
right in without a bit of residue.  Next couple took a short while to dry
but it looks all bright & shiny!!  Nice aroma too (after the stale air
smell wore off).  Got a battery in her and FINALLY had power to roll the
da*n windows down - yippee!!!!  So took the baby oil over to my *baby* - my
Delta and swabbed her innards down.  She's sitting till Oct. 5 so it should
be soaked in by them.

Cool trick.  Cheap too (best part).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:34:56 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

They're interesting being such a cross-over year.  Its sort of like they
started sticking things onto the basic models piecemeal.

Interesting that all the 330's (possibly) got bucket seats.

Everyone in our club has '62,63, 65's.  I haven't seen a '64 yet.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:47:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 72 Toro troubles

>I know better than to bring it home, but my love for Olds is just
>too strong(is this spreding it on too thick, I thought so).

And you guys thought I was the Oldsoholic......


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:59:15 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: New Acqusition.


>     ...And Andy "Squeege Boy" Green will be more than happy to install it
>     for you... ;-)

With Mike Frederick's assisting of course......


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:17:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Door hinge repair kits from year one

There is a tool for sale at most of the better parts houses that carry paint
and cater to body shops that compresses the spring, so you can SAFELY remove
it from the spring. The easiest way that Ihave found to replace the pins and
bushing of door hinges is as follows.
1) mark around the hinge with a grease pencil (this can be removed later with
any degreaser)
2) Put a 2x4 on top of a floor jack and rest it on the inner lip of the
door.The door up here in the salt belt can't always take a jack on ther outer
most edge.
3) If the door is electric than you must disconnect all of the wires or have
a good friend who will steady the door on the jack while you rebuild the
hinges.
4) Remove the bolts that hold the hinge to the door.
5) Then remove the bolts that hold the hinge to the cowl.
6) Clamp the hinge in a vise, and remove the spring, with a spring
compressor.
7) Drive out the pin & drive out whats left of the bushings.
8) If the bushing hole a elongated than get the over sized bushings and drill
the hole out to the proper size.
9) Reassemble the hinge, and reinstall the spring.
10) Bolt the hinge back on the cowl using the grease pencil lines as a guide.
then  do the same to the door side of the hinge.

Have fun
Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:17:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: No replies to my stripping question

    Why are you stripping the car, is the paint that bad or is the body that
bad? Remember that the factory dipped the whole body in a vat of primer.
Doyou have a vat of primer to dip the whole body in? Also rember that the
factory baked all of their paint at a temperature that would melt the glass
in your car. So my suggestion is to strip the bad panels only.
    I have chemically stripped panels it is very messy and very dangerous due
to the fumes. You also have a lot of cleanup to do to the panels afterwords.
You also have to get rid of the old paint which containes lead.
    I have also sand blasted panels to remove the paint. It is also very
messy and very hot. You have to wear a long sleeve shirt and a visored hood
if you want any skin left. You will have to be very careful so as to not warp
the panels. Think of that sand coming out of the sand blaster at 90 lbs of
air pressure as being shot out of a 45 caliber gun at your door and you will
get the idea of what you are doing to the sheet metal. I have not used any of
the other blasting media such as walnut shells or plastic so I cannot comment
on them.
     I have also striped panels using a DA (dual action) sander. It has given
me the best results with the least amount of warpage. But take your time and
do not let the panel become warm by letting the DA sit in one spot for very
long. It is also expencive to have to buy that much sand paper. I wouldn't
suggest anything coarser than 80 grit.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:18:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cleaning electrical connections

Dielectric grease is available thru any GM dealer. They may not stock but
they can order it for you.The part ª is 12345579 Price $8.36 per one ounce
tube.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:18:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: No replies to my stripping question

Why are you going to strip the car is the paint that bad or is the body that
bad? Remember that at the factory they dipped the whole car is a vat of
primer. Do you have a vat of primer to dip the car in ? Also remember that
the factory baked all of their paint at a temperature that would melt your
glass. I would suggest that you strip the bad panels not the whole car.
 I have striped paint from panels with chemical stripers, very messy and very
hazerdous because of the fums. I have also stripped paint with a sand blaster
also very messy and hot (have to wear long sleeve shirt and be under a hood
if you want any skin left.) and can warp the panels if not real careful. I
have not tried any of the other blasting media such as walnut shells or
plastic so can't comment on them. I have also stripped panels by using a DA
(dual action) sander. Does the best job, but is expensive to buy that much
sand paper. It is also very time consuming and you better have a real good
air compressor.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:22:38 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Parts request

Got this message - reply to me privately with info.

need dome light covers for side doors and rear arm
        rest panels the panels need to be in white please if
        any one has any interior parts please call
        1-423-878-4382 attn:bob mumpower

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:32:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4

In a message dated 97-09-24 22:19:16 EDT, you write:

<<  Mark Prince's W-30 is posted in the "My Classic Car" phot contest for
this
 week.
 http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml
  Let's all get out and vote to support our favorite cars (Olds naturally),
 and a real example in Mark's W-30.

 It's really getting monotonous seeing all those Ch*vys winning week after
 week. How about all the List members entering their cars in this contest? It
 would be real nice to see a majority of Olds for a change.


 Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana >>
Thanks Mick and Larry,  Thats right folks, if you all go to the MCC photo
gallery, you will be able to see my 72 442 W-30 with an X in the Vin code.

It happens at that time the pic was taken, I was running 12.47's in the
quarter mile
at 108.23 mph.  Well last night my brother-in-law and I went to Detroit
Dragway
for Test and Tune Tuesday.  I ran some real good numbers.
Track conditions as follow, 500 ft above sealevel, rained all morning and
cleared up by afternoon.  Track opened at 5:00 and temp was 66 degrees.  I
ran the following times yesterday night as the temp decreased to a nice 60
degrees.

1st run through 7th
60 ft                 E.T.                    MPH
1.870               12.447                 109.396
1.725               12.332                 109.329
1.930               12.512                 109.469
1.804               12.331                 109.653
1.708               12.183                 109.986
1.724               12.218                 109.671
1.718               12.191                 109.950
Now I can say my car is a 12 teen racer.  And I am still using the Quadujet
and
factory W-455 alum intake.  Just ask Oldsmike aka  Mike Hall.

So Greg B. you heard the rumble at the centennial, now here are the results
of
racing.  If anybody is interested in how I built my engine, I have a full
report
to help one or even give ideas on building a mild 455 capable of Low 12's
now.

One more thing, thanks to all that vote for me and all that I have met at the
centennial such as Dave Wyatt, Doug Brown, Greg B, Jeff Eaton, Bryceman,
BTW  Bryce is my car Bryceman web page material???? :)    Bob H, Todd and
many more that came and saw my Olds in section GG

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
former 12.47 now 12.183
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket.

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:03:46 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

>> I have a 1985 442 and I tried the two-stripe test but I only got one. The
>> VIN states that I have Limited Slip.
>
>This is a new one on me.  My 85 442 VIN doesn't tell me squat about the
>posi.  On the 85 442, though, posi was available as option code G80.  I
>know it was an option, because I had to order it.  If I remember, it was
>around 100 bucks.  This info should be on the label under the trunk
>lid.  If that code isn't there, then you don't have posi.  Also, in 85,
>the 442 posi was different than the other posi-tracs in 85 because even
>the owner's manual mentions that when refilling the differential case,
>to add the GM posi additive for engine code "9" only (442), but not for
>other "limited-slips".  It may be because of the preload spring pressure
>being higher, I don't know.  I know my posi is real tight, because I'll
>get that chatter on turns every now and then.  Especially if I haven't
>driven it in a long time.  Did it since new.  I took it back with 400
>miles on it, and complained.  Ho hum, they said.  Up on the rack, added
>the additive, lowered it, and no more chatter.  Amazing.
>
>More idle "chatter"
>
>Mike Rothe
>
I called GM and sent in my 85 442 VIN...They sent me a package stating
everything about the car.(where it was purchased, every option that it had
or was ordered with it, and other stuff). Maybe my posi is worn out....But
when I did a brake stand, I only got 1 tire spinning??

Shayne Horn

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:00:36 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: Exhaust overhaul

  Thanks for all of your input on the cleaning electrical connections..  On
to my next question.  My first major project on this car will be redoing
the exhaust system.  In its current shape it is for one, pretty darn rusty,
and secondly way too loud for an urban area.  As some of you may have seen
in the pictures of my car, the tailpipes exit prior to the rear wheels.  I
was wondering what kind of experience you folks have had with various
exhaust setups from different people.. (Fusicks, Year One, etc.) as well as
any problems you may have encountered.  I have decided to stick with
headers because I don't have a set of exhaust manifolds and a new set of
headers are priced reasonably.  Are there any problems with fitting these
in a '69 442 Convertible?  The car does have headers in it at the moment,
although I'm not sure of what type and haven't bothered to measure what the
dia. of the tubes are.  Also, with headers, will I have to cut the
headpipes or anything to fit correctly or do the headers exit where
manifolds would ?  Next, what type of mufflers do you reccomend?  I want a
good performance muffler but not something particularly loud.

Thanks for your time,

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 22:03:29 -0700
From: Allan Dampier <clascar@mars.ark.com>
Subject: 56 olds convert

I am seriously looking for a 1956 Olds convertible in rust free
condition that runs well and doesn't need much work (ª 2-3 condition).
I am looking in the $15,000.00 U.S. range +/-. Please respond to
Al Dampier  clascar@mars.ark.com  pictures appreciated.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 23:35:40 -0700
From: beast <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Tranny Mounts

I have a '75 Delta 88 Convertible with the 455. I want to convert the
car to dual exhaust. I need a transmission mount crossmember that is
dimpled on both sides to allow the dual pipes to run cleanly under the
member. Can anyone help me to find a cross member that will fit this
application??? My other alternative is to hand the present crossmember
over to a Metal Crafter and let him give it a wack.
Any help will be greatly appreciated. By the way, there is a guy here in
LA County who is selling a set of Ka heads in the Recycler, he is
negotiable on the price. You can find him by going to
http://www.recycler.com, in the Auto accessories section search for
"455". Or call him at:

                                          A D   C O N T E N T
        Ad Type
                      FOR SALE
        Price
                      $250
        Ad Text
                      Oldsmobile 455 heads, good condition, $250
                            C O N T A C T   I N F O R M A T I O N
        Phone
                      (310) 354-3858

Thanks,
Bruce Camilli
Hawthorne, CA

1985 Dodge 600 Conv.
1994 Honda Civic Hatchback Si with the Vtec Aluminum Engine
1986 Honda 700 Interceptor
1996 Harley Davidson Custom FatBoy
1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale Conv.

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:25:43 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: a mopar list like this one?

There is a relative new emaillist on:
http://www.moparalley.org/

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn The Netherlands
1964 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:45:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 56 olds convert

Don't think this person is a list member, so reply directly...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Allan Dampier <clascar@mars.ark.com>
Subject: 56 olds convert

I am seriously looking for a 1956 Olds convertible in rust free
condition that runs well and doesn't need much work (ª 2-3 condition).
I am looking in the $15,000.00 U.S. range +/-. Please respond to
Al Dampier  clascar@mars.ark.com  pictures appreciated.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 05:33:58 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: 67 425 block found and other junkyard stuff

I was hunting through a junkyard back home this past weekend and found
a very nice 67 Delta 88 2 dr (that nice fastback model) with a rather
large bore engine.  Not up to snuff on Olds blocks I figured from bore
size and year it was a 425, the heads and intake were gone, fairly
recent, as it was not damaged from the outside air yet.  If anyone is
interested, the car is in a decent boneyard in the St. Louis area,
near the new (rebuilt) race track.  The yard is called Speedway
Salvage, you pull it, they usually don't.  They are in a crushing mood
so I do not know just how long it will last.  The drivers front fender
and hood are gone, but the car is mostly intact.

The prices there are usually very fair, I don't think I ever felt
overcharged for anything.  Like my 442 front sway bar for my 85
Cutlass and all the vacuum hoses and bolts and such only set me back
$20.  Lots of 81-87 G-Body cars, usually  wrecked, and most with
missing doors.  Probably PW/PL doors with no rust.

Typically a running engine you take out is $75, they take out $125,
checked out and made sure good, $200.  Transmissions, THM200 4R/700 R4
is $150, $10 core.  THM 350's/THM400's $35.  The more junk you get
they are very reasonable.  Small stuff is not usually charged much at
all.  I got an 82 Aluminum intake for a 307 (normal size port) for $15
and all the bolts/hoses and an ignition module for the computer
distributor.  I think that is fair.  If something is known to be rare
(they know Chª$y's not Olds!) then it is higher.

There were several old Olds' there, from 50's-80's, a few 75 Delta 88
Convertibles as well.

Hope something can be of help to someone.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme, Rocket 350, 442 suspension

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:46:06 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Need more h*lp on swapping gas tank; setup of '70 vent on Cut 
lass?

On Wednesday, September 24, 1997 11:11 PM, Robert Barry
[SMTP:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu] wrote:
> OK, dropped the old tank today from my '70 SX (darn, no build sheet),
and
> I'm getting ready to install the '71 version. Since I'm using the '70
pickup
> (the ohmmeter didn't like the '71's) which has the return line built
into
> it, I've got three tubes (seemingly 5/16" and 3/8") sticking out of
the
> tank, and a "vent" thing that connected to the original tank with two
very
> different sized hoses (looks like 1/4" and 7/16"). I'd like to keep
the
> original vent setup, even though the new cap won't be vented. Can I
just
> hook up one of those hoses to the vent, or should I attempt to connect
all
> three? It looks like the hoses were different sizes for a reason; did
one
> tube extend into the tank more than the other? I also suppose the
height of
> the vent kept fuel from sloshing out under braking and such.
>
> Is there anything I'm missing on this one? I'd like to get this back
in
> tomorrow, if possible.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Bob, my 70 service manual show's 4 lines going to the tank. One line is
the fuel outlet that goes from the fuel pump to the pick-up on the tank.
One is the fuel return line from the fuel pump to the tank. The other
two go from the tank to a surge tank located above the gas tank on the
right front. It is mounted on the frame, a (very) small tank with a foam
restrictor.

"The fuel tank vent system includes a surge tank on all models except
station wagon and Vista Cruiser. (They use a vented gas cap) The purpose
of the surge tank is to inter-connect the two vent hoses so that in the
event one vent hose is filled, the venting will take place through the
surge tank into the other hose; thereby reducing fuel loss."

Are you using a fuel pump with a return line? They didn't use a return
line fuel pump on all cars. They used two types of pick-ups also, one
with a return line and one with-out. I hope this information helps you.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:54:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4

In a message dated 97-09-25 02:49:46 EDT, you write:

<< Now I can say my car is a 12 teen racer.  And I am still using the
Quadujet
 and
 factory W-455 alum intake.  Just ask Oldsmike aka  Mike Hall.

 So Greg B. you heard the rumble at the centennial, now here are the results
 of
 racing.  If anybody is interested in how I built my engine, I have a full
 report
 to help one or even give ideas on building a mild 455 capable of Low 12's
 now. >>

Congratulations on your runs.  Very nice.  I'm sure there are quite a few of
us who would like to hear what you've done to the motor to run those numbers.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:17:44 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Thanks for the mopar help.

Thanks Jim & Mike!  You just made a mopar guy happier!  God knows he
would be even happier if I could get him to switch to Olds.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:28:14 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: External Therm.

 Mike,

I ordered a new 1973 Cutlass & they were available then for at least the
larger Oldsmobiles.  I believe that I have seen them on 1972's & possibly
1971's also.  I didn't try to order one because I wanted the sports mirrors.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>i own a 73 cutlass and i don't think that was an option.  if so i don't
think
>my car originally came with one.  where did you find out that the 73 had
such
>an option?
>
>mikey tvb@aol.com
>73 cutlass w/403
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:28:16 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the mopar help.

I am converting my dad, he now drives a 79 Chrysler 300, and a 84
Olds Custom Cruiser....., mopars out ª the Olds at my house, but I'm
gaining on him.....:)

1975 Olds 98 Regency, 455ci 4bbl(for sale)
1977 Olds Cutlass 350ci 4bbl
1978 Olds 88 350ci 4bbl

> Thanks Jim & Mike!  You just made a mopar guy happier!  God knows he
> would be even happier if I could get him to switch to Olds.
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 06:36:50 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Mounts

I have a doublehump x-member out of a 66 dynamic, will that fit?

- ----------
> From: beast <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Tranny Mounts
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 1997 6:35 AM
>
> I have a '75 Delta 88 Convertible with the 455. I want to convert the
> car to dual exhaust. I need a transmission mount crossmember that is
> dimpled on both sides to allow the dual pipes to run cleanly under the
> member. Can anyone help me to find a cross member that will fit this
> application??? My other alternative is to hand the present crossmember
> over to a Metal Crafter and let him give it a wack.
> Any help will be greatly appreciated. By the way, there is a guy here in
> LA County who is selling a set of Ka heads in the Recycler, he is
> negotiable on the price. You can find him by going to
> http://www.recycler.com, in the Auto accessories section search for
> "455". Or call him at:
>
>                                           A D   C O N T E N T
>         Ad Type
>                       FOR SALE
>         Price
>                       $250
>         Ad Text
>                       Oldsmobile 455 heads, good condition, $250
>                             C O N T A C T   I N F O R M A T I O N
>         Phone
>                       (310) 354-3858
>
> Thanks,
> Bruce Camilli
> Hawthorne, CA
>
> 1985 Dodge 600 Conv.
> 1994 Honda Civic Hatchback Si with the Vtec Aluminum Engine
> 1986 Honda 700 Interceptor
> 1996 Harley Davidson Custom FatBoy
> 1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale Conv.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 21:59:11 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Oh man! need mopar sites again

Damn! I accidentally deleted the web sites Mike and Jim gave me
regarding the mopar web and mail sites!

Mike and Jim, hopefully you both still have your responses in your
"sent Mail" file?  Please re-post this info!

Thanks
RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:50:55 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: (Fwd) Re: a mopar list like this one? AGAIN

- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From:          Self <MIS/KRUMWIEDE>
To:            oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:       Re: a mopar list like this one?
Date:          Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:13:37 -0500

Try these, ( my dad is a mopar finatic)

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~kaustin/Chrysler.html
http://webhome.idirect.com/~gian/index.html
http://www.access.digex.net/~miked/charger.html
http://www.cskpub.com/HPMtoc.html
http://www.bcchrysler.com/email.html

> I know I know, not Olds related.{True}  But when I raced my buddy and
> his 71' challenger(440) and won,{True} he wanted to know how I found
> out how to tweak all the mechanics on my car. {a Lie}
> I told him about this Olds list. {True}
>
> Tried to make it somewhat Olds related!  :)  So, does anyone know if
> there is a list like this for mopars?
>
> Thanks,
>
> RC (trying to help "another" confused mopar owner) Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:59:29 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: BFG Drag Radials

While reading Mark's note about drag racing his 72 W-30, I remembered
seeing BFG Drag Radials on it in Lansing.  From the 60 ft. times it is
obvious that he is hitting the tires very hard when launching the car.
I was hoping Mark would share some tire info with us regarding his tires
and car.  Also, Mark, how do think these tires would work behind a four
speed car?  I am considering buying a set and changing the gears in my
car to 3.91s.  Your thoughts would be very helpful.

TIA
Dave(tractionless)Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:08:22 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: 1970 Paint Codes

I have a question about a 1970 paint code....What color would the paint be
with a code of: 04A ? I cannot seem to find anything....

Shayne

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:48:35 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 1970 Paint Codes

On Thursday, September 25, 1997 10:08 AM, bhorn@tnc.com
[SMTP:bhorn@tnc.com] wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a question about a 1970 paint code....What color would the
paint be
> with a code of: 04A ? I cannot seem to find anything....
>
> Shayne
>

Are you sure this is a paint code. I do not see a 04 code in my chart.
Maybe this is a time build code (April first week). The paint code is to
the right up one line if you are looking at the Body and style plate.


ST 70 34487 E - 1724 BDY
TR  932           48   A PNT
02D    CO8

(Paint Code = 48 Sherwood green and A = fabric color or white vinyl top)


If it is a paint code it would be some color with a white vinyl top.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the .....Past

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:10:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Suprise

Hello Folks. I finally got around to replacing the shifter
knob/handle. I had posted info earlier this year about the ordering
and replacment procedures. I had removed the whole console to
vacuum out all of the cigarette buds that missed the ash tray. I
also lubed and cleaned up the shifter mechanism. I used white
lithium on the shift lock and some silicone spray lube on the black
flex blankout belt ( Nice description Huh). All worked well after I
was done, everything moved  so smooth afterward. SUPRISE What do I
see tucked underneath the carpet in between the hump and the seat
the,  Build Sheet It had a small part missing in the upper right
hand corner but everything else was intact. I seems as though there
is more info. on the sticker on the deck lid then an the build
sheet. Is there info on the build sheet that tells you what number
your car is as far as the order in which they came off of the
assembly line ?  Anyway I have figured I had to share that with
everybody, I havv been hearing about all of the wierd places people
have been looking for the build sheets. BTW this sheet was on laser
Jet type paper..



Peter L. House
87' Salon
phouse@feith.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Origin of FUBAR (non Olds)

Enough FUBAR already!!
Let's move on to more interesting (Olds) stuff...

Coupe King

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:55:56 -0400
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: Tranny Mounts

At 11:35 PM 9/24/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I have a '75 Delta 88 Convertible with the 455. I want to convert the
>car to dual exhaust. I need a transmission mount crossmember that is
>dimpled on both sides to allow the dual pipes to run cleanly under the
>member. Can anyone help me to find a cross member that will fit this
>application??? My other alternative is to hand the present crossmember
>over to a Metal Crafter and let him give it a wack.
>Any help will be greatly appreciated. By the way, there is a guy here in
>LA County who is selling a set of Ka heads in the Recycler, he is
>negotiable on the price. You can find him by going to
>http://www.recycler.com, in the Auto accessories section search for
>"455". Or call him at:
>
>                                          A D   C O N T E N T
>        Ad Type
>                      FOR SALE
>        Price
>                      $250
>        Ad Text
>                      Oldsmobile 455 heads, good condition, $250
>                            C O N T A C T   I N F O R M A T I O N
>        Phone
>                      (310) 354-3858
>
>Thanks,
>Bruce Camilli
>Hawthorne, CA
>
>1985 Dodge 600 Conv.
>1994 Honda Civic Hatchback Si with the Vtec Aluminum Engine
>1986 Honda 700 Interceptor
>1996 Harley Davidson Custom FatBoy
>1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale Conv.
>
>
>
>
>
Bruce,
     I got looking under my dad's '74 Delta 88 convertible and it has the
crossmember with double humps. Maybe one out of a '74 would fit? His has
the 350 but I'm not sure what tranny?

Andy Geeting
geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu
'87 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'88 Olds Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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