
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 11 1997     Volume 01 : Number 842



Interior colors
Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Re: funny looking bracket
Re: Re[2]: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
test
Rough Idle Question
SB 42 update!
Re: '66 Toronado
Re: '85+ 442 wheels
Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Olds sale
Re: Interior colors
Re: Interior colors
Re: Delta Questions
Re: Three and counting!
Re: 69 h/o conv
Re: Parts wanted
Re: Olds sale
Re: rear ends
Re: Oldsmobile Wheels
Re: Beverly Hills Motoring ?
Re: Three and counting!
Re: Compression increase, how to....
RE: Testing Heater Cores?
Tire Size
Lansing Video
Re: Tire Size
Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
JWO
Re: Beverly Hills Motoring ?
Re: Car Covers
Re: Illinois Bone Yards
Re: Lansing Video
'68 Cutlass tail lenses
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Window frame repair
Re: RC Hellebuyckneeds a nipple.
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Re: JWO
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
UNBOUNCE: Re: Tire Size 
Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses
Re: Tire Size 
Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses
Re: Oldsmobile Wheels
A '67 Model?!? (WASRe: SB 42 update!)
what is SB 42?
RE: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Re: what is SB 42?
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Power window conversion saga
Re: hydraulic lifters
Re: Suspension Question
Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses
Never Pay for Advertising Again.
Re: JWO
Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
Re: what is SB 42?
Re: List is quiet
Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses
FS: 72 C/S
Re: '85+ 442 wheels
Re: Tire Size

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:35:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Interior colors

I am getting ready to the interior of my 1970 CS conv't  It is supposed to have
saddle for the color.  However many parts places show a saddle and a darker
brown.  Was there a darker brown available?  My door handles and headrests seem
to be darker than the saddle they show.  My seats have been redone in cloth but
the sides are still a darker brown also.

I'm confused some please h*lp

Thanks
Doug H

70 CS conv't

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:48:02 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

mike,

thanks for the info!

<I cant believe yours doesn't have it in it already?...I have never seen one 
not drilled before.>

The hole is there, but it has a plug in it marked "1/2".

Thanks again

RC

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:49:39 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

Thanks for the intake info Kevin!

RC

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:51:13 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

Thanks for the info mark!

RC

==============================================================================
>Ok, I can help, for one the nipple is pressed in.  second thing is that the
>nipple isnt exclusive to Alum W intakes.  71 and 72 4 speed 442's and big
>block Cutlass's have
>a cast iron intake that uses the same nipple.  4 speeds had this because the
>air cleaner was a dual snorkle and so the pcv did go from the intake to carb.
> As for the heighth of the nipple, it is approxiamately 1 to 1 1/4 inches.
>
>I hope this help, sorry no extra intakes to rob here
>
>W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
>two 1972 442 W-30's
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:54:02 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: funny looking bracket

>I know exactly which funny looking bracket you are referring to.  In
>fact, I just spent the last 1/2 hour tearing my garage apart looking for
>the box that has (had) one of these in it.  It contained various vacuum
>hoses and wiring harnesses, one of those servo units with the rod and
>BOTH of those funny looking brackets.  But I can't find it.>

AARRHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Thanks for looking Paul!  If you do happen to find that box while your 
looking for something else, (this happens to me all the time), PLEASE let 
me know!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:57:39 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

<I'll place your chances of finding a factory part (at least, one without an 
$800 manifold hanging off of it) as somewhere between slim and none.>

You can say that again! Automotive parts people look at me like I'm a little 
nuts.

Thanks for all the info!  You helped alot Joe.

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:51:52 -0400
From: uknowme@mail.botanybay.net (Tim Grantmyer)
Subject: test

sorry my mails gone funny.

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Date: 10 Sep 1997 16:25:16 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Rough Idle Question

I posed this yesterday but I don't know if anyone saw the message.

I have a rough idle in my '78 Delta 88 (350/TH350) and it hesitates
during gentle acceleration.  The exhaust makes a lumping sound, but I
have not touched the exhaust one bit.  It is a little low on power,
seems like when I want to get on the freeway it is not pulling the
advance it needs.  I use 89 and 92 octane gasoline.

Do you think I need a carbureator tuneup?

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr.

PS..Today while at Pick-your-part I found a late 60's-early 70's Cutlass
(the front bumper had round amber lights) and it had G heads..  I
undesratnd G heads indicate a 400 motor right?

Also: I found a big  size cap that goes on a rallye wheel.  The PN is
#559972.  There are 5 screw holes on the back, is there a bracket I need
to mount this to a rallye wheel?  I have seen this center cap on a Delta
88 royale before.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:33:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: DATIC@aol.com
Subject: SB 42 update!

Hello all,

     I just received an update on the status of SB 42. It just passed the
assembly
by a vote of  75-2-3.! But since it was ammended in the assembly, it now goes
back to the senate for another review and vote. It passed the senate
unanimously
the first time around, so things are looking good!

     On a smaller note, I just got back from my local hobby shop, and they
had
just received a 1:25th model of a 1967 Olds 442 W-30 by Lindberg. It looks
very nice. They have photos of a real car on the box art, and it shows a
chrome
dual snorkle air cleaner with the hoses leading to the scoops between the
headlights,
and it's nicely duplicated in the kit. Definitely worth checking out. Now if
they would
only bring out a 65-66 88 anything, I'd be even happier.

     Later

     Dave T.
     '66 Dynamic 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:03:49 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: '66 Toronado

Gren wrote:
> 
> help!
> 
> i have an ALUMINUM 1966 toronado deluxe and can't find any information
> on it.  any info would be greatly appreciated.

WOW!
So is the frame aluminum too, or just the body?

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:13:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Re: '85+ 442 wheels

In a message dated 97-09-10 16:28:13 EDT, you write:

<< tlentz@ior.com
  >>
Hey Tom,
I'd like to find out about the wheels if you can't get in touch with the
other guy.

Thanks
James
86 442
69 442

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:14:04 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

At 08:46 AM 9/10/97 +0000, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-09-09 16:52:16 EDT, you write:
>
><< ubj:	 Do you own a W-455 intake? help!
> Date:	97-09-09 16:52:16 EDT
> From:	mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
> Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> Reply-to:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> 
> If any of you out there have a W-455 aluminum intake, please help.  If 
> your vacuum lines are run correctly, the PCV valve/hose should run from 
> the base of the carb, to a hose nipple on the front of the intake.  
> (This "nipple" is just behind and to the left of the thermostat 
> housing.)
> 
> MY QUESTION(S):
> 
> Does this "hose nipple" looked tapped in or threaded in?
> 
> How far does it stick out of the intake?
> 
> I'm trying to keep everything *stock*.  Man!  Is this frustrating!  :(
> As mentioned in my previous post, I desperately need to find this 
> part!!!
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

RC,

The fitting is a press-in tube fitting, most likely a very common 1/2" size.
I work at a company that manufactures fuel system products, and we use a
number of fittings like the one on the W-455 intake.  Our supplier for these
fittings is a company named Beaver Industries and I think they are located
in Oregon. The fitting is pressed in after applying Loctite RC680
Cylindrical Bonding Compound to the mating surfaces. Let me know if you need
info to contact Beaver Industries.

Brad Otto
'69 442 4 Speed Convertible
'70 W-30 Hardtop

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:21:29 -0400
From: Frank <plpaudio@ix.netcom.com> (by way of Tim <trm455@pop.iquest.net>)
Subject: Olds sale

Hey All,
Havent been on the list for a while as I havent had time,I am selling
evrything olds related due to time and space constraints that have
recently developed,I dont have the space or time for projects anymore so
I need to move evrything out and go to the finished product.I have tons
of small parts and stuff which I dont have time to list or catalog but
will all go together.I am not retiring from Olds just taking a
sabbatical.
Thanks to the webmaster and all the rest and hope to one day be back
among you..
Sincerely,
Frank Gonzalez

1970 442 ,455 ,400, disassembled,,,  1971 Cutlass S 350\350 , not
running,,, 1972 Convertible, 455, 400, dissasembled,good top, new
floors, new suspension, engine all new parts ,repro ramair  hood and
wing,, needs assembly, extra 350 ,extra 455  ,garage full of parts both
exterior and interior for 70-72 Cutlasses, damaged 70 ramair hood.2 sets
extra rims.. Want to sell to Olds restorer\enthusiast not parts
place.$5000obo for all or trade for 71\72 442 in decent
shape….305-858-6758 or email plpaudio@ix.netcom.com(will not split up or
part anything out so dont ask).....

PS: please refer inquires directly to me via email or phone as I dont
check the list. Thanks..

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:40:26 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Interior colors

At 07:35 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am getting ready to the interior of my 1970 CS conv't  It is supposed to have
>saddle for the color.  However many parts places show a saddle and a darker
>brown.  Was there a darker brown available?  My door handles and headrests seem
>to be darker than the saddle they show.  My seats have been redone in cloth but
>the sides are still a darker brown also.
>
>I'm confused some please h*lp
>
>Thanks
>Doug H
>

Doug

        Yes there was a darker brown available. Saddle should be called tan.

Jim Chermack
>70 CS conv't
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:47:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Interior colors

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> I am getting ready to the interior of my 1970 CS conv't  It is supposed to have
> saddle for the color.  However many parts places show a saddle and a darker
> brown.  Was there a darker brown available?  My door handles and headrests seem
> to be darker than the saddle they show.  My seats have been redone in cloth but
> the sides are still a darker brown also.

I seem to recall that your '70 should have a saddle interior as opposed to
the dark saddle that was used on '72 models. (let's not talk at all about
the "sienna" shade they used in '71 only, a nice color but tough to find)
The dark saddle is more of a brown rather than a tan. Personally I'm not
all that fond of the '72 shade but it seemed pretty popular at the time. I
suspect the dark saddle is what you're seeing with some of the repro
parts. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:56:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Delta Questions

On 8 Sep 1997 mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> 1) How often do you see '78 Delta 88 2 door sedans (NON royale)?  I
> don't think I have ever come across another car like mine out there.  My
> car is also called a "California Coupe" and has a 21 gallon gas tank
> unlike the 25.25 in the other B-C body lines.

Heck, you don't often see *any* '78 Deltas around here these days... ;)

But when you do see them, the Royales were a lot more common. The regular 
Deltas were pretty plain and not too popular. Especially the interior 
door panels... taxicab-looking on mine. Even though I'm broke from the 
new house, I still think if someone here found a 4-door Royale in a 
junkyard with a nice red interior I might take out a loan, get them to 
pull the seats, door panels, everything, and ship it up here to me... :)  

Never heard of the "California Coupe" before. Dealer package maybe? I 
know they had the Holiday coupe with buckets and console, and also a 
color-coordinated (with the exterior paint) 2-tone is shown in the '78 
catalog.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:00:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Three and counting!

On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Mike Rothe wrote:
> I'm curious to know, is there anyone else out there who's had stuff
> published either in magazines, videos, articles, etc.?  I'm sure there
> is.  Too much knowledge on this list.

I was lucky enough to send an article about this list to Dennis Casteele 
about 2 months before he passed away. He called and told me he was going 
to print it, and he did... probably one of the last issues he edited. 
Then about a year later Penny printed a follow-up I did. I understand 
Doug Kitchener sent her my "Lansing Diaries" and he sez she might be 
interested in printing some of them too. I hope she edits out some of the 
off-the-cuff stuff!!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:59:19 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 69 h/o conv

> Mike evans was wondering about the 69 convert.   It's owned by Kelly
Evams of
> Iowa and was Lindas Unit at one time...pretty cool huh?   Steve

The '69 H/O conv. that was at my hotel had Iowa plates. It wasn't there all
the time just over night the first couple days.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:11:15 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Parts wanted

W30442CS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> have headlight bezels for 71.    steven. w30442cs@aol.com
How much for the drivers side?

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:14:13 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Olds sale

Frank wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> Havent been on the list for a while as I havent had time,I am selling
> evrything olds related due to time and space constraints that have
> recently developed,I dont have the space or time for projects anymore so
> I need to move evrything out and go to the finished product.I have tons
> of small parts and stuff which I dont have time to list or catalog but
> will all go together.I am not retiring from Olds just taking a
> sabbatical.
> Thanks to the webmaster and all the rest and hope to one day be back
> among you..
> Sincerely,
> Frank Gonzalez
> 
> 1970 442 ,455 ,400, disassembled,,,  1971 Cutlass S 350\350 , not
> running,,, 1972 Convertible, 455, 400, dissasembled,good top, new
> floors, new suspension, engine all new parts ,repro ramair  hood and
> wing,, needs assembly, extra 350 ,extra 455  ,garage full of parts both
> exterior and interior for 70-72 Cutlasses, damaged 70 ramair hood.2 sets
> extra rims.. Want to sell to Olds restorer\enthusiast not parts
> place.$5000obo for all or trade for 71\72 442 in decent
> shape….305-858-6758 or email plpaudio@ix.netcom.com(will not split up or
> part anything out so dont ask).....
> 
> PS: please refer inquires directly to me via email or phone as I dont
> check the list. Thanks..
I have a 72 cutlass supreme. Am looking for 4 barrel Carb, manifold, and
aircleaner assembly with correct numbers.  Have any??

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:24:17 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: rear ends

> I saw an episode
> of ShadeTree Mechanic and they removed c-clips to remove the axles. Well
> this diff had no c-clips. Am I correct? I think the axles are pressed
> in. Can someone confirm this?
>
From what I understand the c-clip rear ends are of a Chevy design. Olds and
Pontiac retained the axles from the ends of the housing. The Olds/Pontiac
design is a lot safer than the c-clip design because if a c-clip axle
breaks there is nothing to keep the axle in the housing where as the axles
that are retained at the end of the housing break the axle won't come out
of the housing, but if it breaks outside the housing your still screwed. On
a street car I wouldn't worry to much about breaking an axle but it is nice
to know that you do have a better designed rear end (your car that is). 

To pull the axles there should be a plate that the axles go thru with 4
bolts on it remove those and try pulling the axles out. More than likely
you will need a slid hammer. When I changed the bearings on the '72 442
that I had one side pulled out by hand and the other required a slid
hammer. The bearings are pressed onto the axles. I was lucky enough to by
able to press mine on at work. I want to say it cost me $35 for bearings
seals (for both sides) gear lube and cover gasket


> 
> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
> 
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St. 
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4

Daren 

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:18:47 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Wheels

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> J. Michael Wolfe wrote:
> >
> > Is there a difference in the value of SSI vs SSII olds wheels. Is one
> > style more rare than the other?
> > Thanks
> > Boogah
> 
> Depends on who wants them and how bad they want them.  SSII's are
> probably more desireable to the 70-72 Cutlass crowd, while the I's are
> probably more desireable to the pre-70 crowd. At least this is the trend
> I've seen.  The SSI is a beautiful jewel.  They look real cool too.  The
> SSII has it's own good qualities, like subtle chrome, yet says, "Look at
> me!" And the fact that you can convert an SSII to an SSIII just by
> painting it lower body color.  Can't convert an SSI into anything else.
> Why are you asking, anyway.  Just curious, got some to sell, or want
> some to buy and you can't tell which ones you want?  Or you just want to
> know information?
> 
> Mike Rothe
I have SSI's on my vehicle and was wondering if I should keep them on
there.  I have always liked the SSII's, but the vehicle is entirely in
stock condition.  Just wanted the info. Thanks!
Joe

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:24:56 -0700
From: beast <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Beverly Hills Motoring ?

Bill,
It is called Beverly Hills Motoring Accessories (BHMC) and I believe
their number is 310-657-4899. JC Whitney Calatogs will also give a wide
selection and at much cheaper prices.

Bruce Camilli
Hawthorne, CA

1985 Dodge 600 Conv.
1994 Honda Civic Hatchback Si with the Vtec Aluminum Engine
1986 Honda 700 Interceptor
1996 Harley Davidson Custom FatBoy
1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale Conv.


Bill Gochenour wrote:

> Has anyone heard of Beverly Hills Motoring, they sold car accessories,
>
> are they still in business or maybe they moved? They were the best
> source for car covers I've found so far.
>
> --
>
> Bill !
>
>                                                _           _       ___
>
> 1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                    /  |        /  |    /  _
> \
> 1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition   /    |      /    |   |_|
> |
> |
>      Oldsmobile 100th Centennial # 2218  /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /
> /
>                                         |_____   _| |_____   _|   /
> /__
> 1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34                    |_|         |_|
> |_______|
> 1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34
>
>
>         http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 9/1/97)

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:33:46 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Three and counting!

> Jon Wessel (director of the Hurst/Olds Club of America) was informed of
> the "new" '69 H/O Fire Frost paint to be available soon.  I was somewhat
> shocked over this next part:  he asked me to write an article about it
> for the H/OCA newsletter!  Not quite as prestigeous as Lisa's venue,
> but  I nonetheless agreed.  I sat down, wrote it up, and faxed it out. 
> Now all I can do is wait.  I'll see if it's in the upcoming issue of
> "Thunder and Lightning".  
> 
> Mike Rothe

Maybe you should send a copy to Penny she just might put it in JWO.

Daren

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:24:33 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Compression increase, how to....

>         I'd like to know how to increase the compression on my '81 Delta
88 307
>> stock.  I read once that heads from certain engines will do that.  If heads
>> will do it, what heads would work.  Since I am planing to get rid of this
>> motor soon, this would have to be a used part, so that I can afford it.  If
>> the compression is increased any other way, how is it done.   What kind of
>> power increase could I expect.  I think that the engine now puts of 150hp
>> and 225f/pound tourque.  Thanks in advance.
>
>Try this spot on the Olds FAQ:
>http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofhed.htm#HEADS 1964 - 1990 Combustion
>Chambers, CC's, Interchange

While this is something that you *could* do, I'm not sure that it's
something that you'd *want* to do. Even a 10% power increase would only give
you 165hp, which won't be a world of difference on a 3700lb car. It
certainly won't be cheap to purchase another pair of heads and redo them,
unless you've got to do a valve-job on this car anyway. The above mentioned
chart will list which heads will give you a certain compression ratio, but
they don't account for the effect that the change in port size will have.
So, for example, the small chambers on a 260 head would raise your engine's
compression, but kill the power output due to the straw-like ports and
coin-sized valves.

A more cost effective route might be a cam like the H/O-442 cam, which gave
that engine 180hp. OTOH, if you're planning on getting rid of the motor
anyway, either a head-change or a cam-change is pretty major work, and may
not be worth it; you certainly won't recoup any of the money you spend by
charging more for the motor on account of the modifications you make to it.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 02:24:31 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: RE: Testing Heater Cores?

>Cut a bicycle tube in half. Take the piece with the valve and attach it
>to the heater core with clamps. One end to the inlet and one to the
>outlet. Pump  it up with air, say 20 lb, and then put the core in a tub
>of water and see if there are any bubble's. This is the way we tested
>tires for leaks.

I don't have anything to add on this thread; I just had to say that, Bobby,
that's a truly brilliant idea! The valve built into the tube is an easy way
to get air in there. Bravo! I'm going to test my spare core that way.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:40:04 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Tire Size

Just bought a 1964 Olds Dynamic 88 with 215 75 14 tires, the speedometer
appears to be running 20mph over the actual speed.  Can anyone suggest what
the original tire size is, along with any way to correct the reading, the
speedometer cable runs through the driver side wheel.

Thanks for your help.

G
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Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax

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if you stay in the middle of the road"
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:05:26 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Lansing Video

hello all anyone heard anything about the video of Lansing?

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:52:36 -0700
From: LARRY POLESNAK <ham@fan.net>
Subject: Re: Tire Size

Gary Manton wrote:
> 
> Just bought a 1964 Olds Dynamic 88 with 215 75 14 tires, the speedometer
> appears to be running 20mph over the actual speed.  Can anyone suggest what
> the original tire size is, along with any way to correct the reading, the
> speedometer cable runs through the driver side wheel.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> G
>           \\|//
>           (o o)
> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Gary M. Manton                                  SAS Institute
> Business Solutions Division                     Phoenix, AZ  85012
> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice                 (602) 265-8585 - fax
> 
> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
> if you stay in the middle of the road"
> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Gary, I have a 62 STARFIRE which is built on a 88 frane. The book I
have with it shows the tire size to be 850-14 or option 900-14... The
tires on the car when I brought it were H-78-14 ...I talked to Coker
Tire who sells original tires for old cars (VERY EXPENSIVE) and they
said the height of the tire on my 62 was 28.75 tall... I just bought new
wheels and tires for my car I went with 15 " rims and 235-75-15 tires..
You can see them on my web page I hope this helps you a little...Larry

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 16:06:15 -0400
From: Ed Burger <eburger@sagelink.com>
Subject: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

> Would this work:  Placing 2x4's on the roof, hood and trunk, and
placing
> the tarp across them (but leaving it loose)?

>I don't think I'd want to put wood (or any other organic material)
>between the cover and the car. It'll trap moisture, begin to rot,
>and the little buggies will move in real soon. Take the cover off
>after a few weeks or months have gone by and you may find a whole
>new neighborhood has sprung up under there. Depends on your local
>climate, of course, but I would use plastic pieces as spacers if
>possible. Just my $.02...

How about PVC pipe?  I have miles of that stuff in the basement.  I
don't see that rotting any thime soon.  How much space should I have
between the car and the tarp? Would a big sheet of plastic be better?

Ed

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 15:59:43 -0400
From: Ed Burger <eburger@sagelink.com>
Subject: JWO

What is JWO?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:34:59 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Beverly Hills Motoring ?

I have their catalog at work.  I'll post their info tomorrow.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:58:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Car Covers

Be careful the wind doesn't rub the cord back and forth on your paint.
Boise,ID

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:15:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Illinois Bone Yards

Yes. Ace Auto Salvage in Tonica, IL it is just off of highway 39. A lot of
old cars and some rebuildables with good titles.

Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:32:04 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: Lansing Video

Terry Teague wrote:

>hello all anyone heard anything about the video of Lansing?

Sorry I haven't posted anything lately, but there hasn't been anything new
to report.  I'm still waiting on a few tapes of raw footage before I can get
started.  Have received some good stuff of the parade, plus some tape of the
first day the cars were coming into Lansing.  I just want to get all the
shots lined up before I begin to edit.  Thanks to Dan Gulino and Everett
Horton for their early contributions.  Later.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com      

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:40:57 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: '68 Cutlass tail lenses

I have three '68 Cutlasses.
2 sport coupes and 1 holiday coupe.
The Holiday Coupe has different tail lenses than the Sport Coupes.

The Sport Coupes have the lenses I see most of the time.  They
have two chrome strips on the lense making two rectangles.

    ------------------------------
    | ------------  ------------ |
    | |          |  |          | |
    | ------------  ------------ |
    ------------------------------

While the Holiday Coupe has only one chrome strip.

    ------------------------------
    | -------------------------- |
    | |                        | |
    | -------------------------- |
    ------------------------------

what constitutes which lenses goes on what car?
Is it date produced, type or just an option ????

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:49:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

>Hello! I'm looking at a Rallye350 and I would like to get some good
>information on it! I already have the standard equipment but would like to
>know from somebody who owns one or has seen one how they liked it! How did it
>ride? This one is an automatic on console. If I buy it I plan on driving it
>more than the w31! My next question is about striping. How do I go about
>striping? How much would they cost and who sells them? How about parts. If I
>get it I would probably put in a dual gate! Has anyone ever done this before?
>I've gotten some good information form a list buddy, but would like to hear
>from other people! Please send me information on the Rallye! I plan on
>picking up some brochures this sunday at a show! Thankyou!
>
I have a 1970 Rallye350.  It is a 4speed though. It runs and rides
great..(Very fast). Striping will run you about $450. You can order it
through Year One, Inc.. I can't put a dual gate in with the 4 speed Hurst so
I can't help ya there. I was wondering if you knew what kind of rear end
ratios (posi and gear ratios) that these came with??

Thanks,
Shayne

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:49:37 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Window frame repair

One of my cutlasses ('68) has rust around the front and rear window
and is in dire need of repair.  I have taken it by several body shops
and they all want to fiberglass the rust areas after removal of the 
bad areas.  When I mention metal replacement, they seem to look 
puzzled.  Does anyone know of a source for the window channels
or the perferred process to repair them.  A friend suggested I look
into other *GM* products (ie Ch*v*lle, N*va) to see if these pieces
are simular.  If they are, these would be a better source than cutting
on an Olds.  Any help would be great.  I am ready to paint, but
waiting for the best solution for this last problem.

Thank You,
Forrest Johnson
johnson@edisongroup.com
fjohnson@intervoice.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:47:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re: RC Hellebuyckneeds a nipple.

RC-your best bet for a press in pipe nipple is to call a waterpump rebuilder.
 They used them often and should be able to solve your problem.   Hope this
helps..  Steve  

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:05:10 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

>I owned a Rallye 350 in 1979.  It had been well used, but was still quite
>fast and fun to drive.  The small block made it a better handler than a 442
>in many ways.  As I recollect there is a pretty dedicated couple in New
>Jersey who are in OCA, maybe even have a special club for Rallye 350, and
>they commissioned reproduction of the stripe kit a few years ago (not cheap).
> Perhaps someone else on the list can remember their names or find them in
>JWO (mine are all packed).  Great cars, you hould absolutely buy it.   Is it
>a post or a hardtop?  Fewer of the post models were made.  Does it have all
>the ram air pieces, the rear wing, the body colored bumpers, and the sport
>steering wheel?
>
>Good luck.
>
>Jealously,
>David Wilk
>OCA 4517
>
        I was wondering if anyone knew what rear end ratio the Rallye 350
came with? What were the options for it (readr end)? Did it come with posi?

Thanks
Shayne Horn
new owner of 1970 Rallye350

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 01:02:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: JWO

In a message dated 97-09-10 23:55:58 EDT, you write:

<< What is JWO? >>
It is the magazine that the Oldsmobile Club of America produces. JWO is
actually called :JOURNEY WITH OLDS:  and it is produced by OCA

W MACHINES

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:18:19 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

>A rallye 350 was not a w31. A w31 had 350,325 horse where as the rallye had a
>350,310 horse. Yes, the rallye had dual exhausts and it had a milder cam. All
>the rallye was was an insurance beater. It was designed to look like a racey,
>sporty kind of car, and to keep up with the roadr*nner, or better known as
>roadkill! Pretty much all it was was stripes, bright yellow paint and a olds
>rocket v8. I have a w31 right now and I am looking at a rallye. They are
>pretty nice and rare, sporty looking cars! I hope that this had answered your
>questions!
>

Were the Rallye's fast cars? How were they for performance? Does anyone have
1/4 mile times or anything? I have a Rallye350 that I just bought. I t has a
4 speed Hurst in it...I think that was stock. And I would like to know what
kind of rear end was on it? Anyone know? 

Shayne Horn
70 Rallye350

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 06:53:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Re: Tire Size 

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:52:36 -0700
From:	LARRY POLESNAK <ham@fan.net>

Gary Manton wrote:
> Just bought a 1964 Olds Dynamic 88 with 215 75 14 tires, the speedometer
> appears to be running 20mph over the actual speed.  Can anyone suggest what
> the original tire size is, along with any way to correct the reading, the
> speedometer cable runs through the driver side wheel.

Hi Gary, I have a 62 STARFIRE which is built on a 88 frane. The book I
have with it shows the tire size to be 850-14 or option 900-14... The
tires on the car when I brought it were H-78-14 ...I talked to Coker
Tire who sells original tires for old cars (VERY EXPENSIVE) and they
said the height of the tire on my 62 was 28.75 tall... I just bought new
wheels and tires for my car I went with 15 " rims and 235-75-15 tires..
You can see them on my web page I hope this helps you a little...Larry

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 03:19:10 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses

Forrest Johnson wrote:
> 
> The Holiday Coupe has different tail lenses than the Sport Coupes.

I have both a 442 SC and HT and they both have the two chrome strips on
the lenses.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 05:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Tire Size 

> Gary Manton wrote:
> > Just bought a 1964 Olds Dynamic 88 with 215 75 14 tires, the
speedometer
> > appears to be running 20mph over the actual speed. <snip>
> 
> Hi Gary, I have a 62 STARFIRE which is built on a 88 frane. The book
I have with it shows the tire size to be 850-14 or option 900-14...
The tires on the car when I brought it were H-78-14 ...I talked to
Coker
Tire who sells original tires for old cars (VERY EXPENSIVE) and they
said the height of the tire on my 62 was 28.75 tall... I just bought
new
wheels and tires for my car I went with 15 " rims and 235-75-15 tires..
 You can see them on my web page I hope this helps you a little...Larry

*********************
     The problem is that nobody makes a 14" radial which is as tall as
the original bias tires! I have the same problem with my 65 Delta 88
which has 215-75R14 tires. They look really short! I could go to 15"
wheels and the 235 tires like Larry but then I can't run my 2 bar wire
wheel covers.  : (
     There are adapters which allow 15" hubcaps to fit on 16" wheels
(got them on my 3/4 ton Surburban!)  Has anybody ever seen adapters to
run 14" hubcaps on 15" wheels? If anybody has a set for sale I'm
interested!!!!!!!!
     Someone told me that the 69ish Impalas had a 15" wire wheel cover
very similar to the Olds 14" version, with delicate spokes. The later
15" wire wheel covers have spokes that are too thick and criss-cross
more than the earlier designs. This would be another option.

65 Delta 88 (with short tires)
+ others

===
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Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:23:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997, mrada wrote:
> Forrest Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > The Holiday Coupe has different tail lenses than the Sport Coupes.
> 
> I have both a 442 SC and HT and they both have the two chrome strips on
> the lenses.

I always thought the '68 Supreme was the one with the single chrome 
outline around the lens, whereas all other cars had the dual chrome 
"boxes". I don't think it has anything to do with hardtop vs. post 
coupe. This would make a good trivia question.... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:57:04 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Wheels

>I have SSI's on my vehicle and was wondering if I should keep them on
>there.  I have always liked the SSII's, but the vehicle is entirely in
>stock condition.  Just wanted the info. Thanks!
>Joe>

Joe, you didn't mention what year your car is, but if it's late 60s to 
early 70s it could have come with either wheel style (SSI or SSIIs).

Having said this, put the kind of wheels on the car you like best!  :)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:44:21 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: A '67 Model?!? (WASRe: SB 42 update!)

>      On a smaller note, I just got back from my local hobby shop, and they
> had
> just received a 1:25th model of a 1967 Olds 442 W-30 by Lindberg. It looks
> very nice. They have photos of a real car on the box art, and it shows a

What???   A model kit for the '67?  Finally!  Is this a new release then?

I'll have to traipse on down to Toys-R-Us with the kids this weekend methinks...



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:00:31 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: what is SB 42?

I have no idea what this (I'm assuming it's a law) is?

SB 42 = ?

RC Hellebuyck?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:55:00 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

I have a report on the Rallye 350 for Car Life Road Test from May 1970.
It reported a ¼ time of 15.27 at 94.33 MPH.  The 0-60 time was 7.0 sec.
The engine is a 350 ci 310 hp 390 torque at 3200 rpm. The base price was
$3253 and the tested price was $3814. 

Options were:

Rear deck spoiler    $74
Heavy Duty radiator $21
Power Disk Brakes $64
Power Steering $105
Radio $70
Anti-Spin Axle $42 
(3.42:1) Standard with the 4 speed 
Four-Speed transmission  (M-21) $185
Tires were G70-14 fiberglass bias belted

You could get the 3.91:1 (G88) with the 4-speed also.

The 2.78:1 was standard for the automatic and could be ordered with the
following:

2.56:1 (G96)
2.78:1 (std)
3.08:1 (G90)
3.23:1 (G91)
3.42:1 (G92)
3.91:1 (G88)

Now a story. I have a friend (Paul) who brought a 70 Rallye 350 in 1970.
I brought a 70 442 4-speed. He was always wanting to race the 442. I
don't know why we never did, we were young and crazy. Anyway, I told him
I would take him for a ride in the 442 and if he still wanted to race we
would go get his Rallye 350. We went to the on-ramp of I-20 and let it
go. This car had no air, not many options and would run in the low 14s
and high 13s around 102 to 104 MPH. It may not seem like a lot, but Paul
never did want to race the 442.

I like the Rally 350 and would like to have one also. Paul and I are
still friends and I would love to drive over to his house and let him
drive it. Maybe we could even have that race.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

See my present 442 and the above 442 at:

http://home1.gte.net/betzel/BE.html  




	-----Original Message-----
	From:	bhorn@tnc.com [SMTP:bhorn@tnc.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, September 11, 1997 1:18 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!


	Were the Rallye's fast cars? How were they for performance? Does
anyone have
	1/4 mile times or anything? I have a Rallye350 that I just
bought. I t has a
	4 speed Hurst in it...I think that was stock. And I would like
to know what
	kind of rear end was on it? Anyone know? 

	Shayne Horn
	70 Rallye350

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:05:44 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: what is SB 42?

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> I have no idea what this (I'm assuming it's a law) is?
> 
> SB 42 = ?
> 
> RC Hellebuyck?

It is an initiative in California to move smog exemption from
vehicles made in 1965 (?4) model year to 1972.  This is going to
last for five years and then it will exempt cars 30 older than the
current year.

Current Year  |   Exempt Model Year
- --------------|---------------------
1997          | 1964 (?5)
1998          | 1972
1999          | 1972
2000          | 1972
2001          | 1972
2002          | 1972
2003          | 1973
2004          | 2974

This is the best as I understand it.  If I am wrong then somebody
please correct me.

BTW this law was passed by the assembly floor, and then repassed by
the senate.  It is a matter of time that it becomes law.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:12:03 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

Etzel, Bobby wrote:

The whole issue of gear ratios comparison with respect to top speed,
1/4 mile times, and 0-60 mph makes me raise the following question: 

Given the following ratios for any representative automobile can any
one come up with [TS,1/4,0-60] or even percentage of improvement or
non-improvement?

> 2.56:1 (G96)
> 2.78:1 (std)
> 3.08:1 (G90)
> 3.23:1 (G91)
> 3.42:1 (G92)
> 3.91:1 (G88)

I know I may seem to asking a vague question, however, I am trying
to ascertain the benefits of going to a higher or lower rear end
ratio as it affects [TS,1/4,0-60].

Is anyone willing to tackle this question?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:16:31 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Power window conversion saga

Hi all,

I want to thank Mike Rothe for providing me with pics of both a HT door
and a SC door.  What a nice guy!

Anyway when I examine the pictures I notice that the design was 
similar for both types of doors.  The regulators on both seem to have
dual tracks.  It might be doable to convert the power mechanism from
one to another.  I need to take measurements to double check.  I'll
keep everyone posted as I investigate this project.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:22:09 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: hydraulic lifters

padavano.joe wrote:

> Paul Brillhart noted:
>
> ..In his catalog, Mondello claims the valley pan allows your intake to
> run
> "100% cooler than stock", whatever athat means....
>
>      Uh, to this engineer, that means absolute zero.  Pretty dense
> intake
>      charge, I'd say ;-)
>
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30

   That's exactly what went through this engineer's mind too.  I think
what Patton said seems more on track with reference to having a charge
30 degrees lower as opposed to 15 with the steel tray.  I'd like to know
the intake temp claimed, not just the difference, as weel as where it
was taken and how.  I'd bet he had a guy use a copper constantin type
T-thermocouple.  At least I'd like to think he did.  Also, aluminum has
a much higher thermal conductivity,  does the positioning of the tray
have this effect on the temperature or is it significantly thicker than
the steel turkey tray?  It can't be the material, aluminum would
dissipate heat to the underside of the intake at a higher rate than
steel.  Later.


  Paul Brillhart


  P.S. I hadn't check Jegs in some time when I wrote that Lunati lifters
were inexpensive from them, they are not!  Apparently Jegs has been
upping their prices on lifters.  Sorry.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:13:29 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Question

>>Jim Chermack
>>C&M Classic Parts
>
>What is the difference???
>
>I have been running a set of rear lower control arms (boxed before
>installation) from a 64 M*libu for about 9 months. You have to retap the
>arm to accept the emergency brake cable holders...
>I have a 65 Olds 98.

Interesting News, maybe A-body stuff does swap...Hmm, no offense Jim.

>I also used Energy Suspension PolyGraphite bushings on the lowers. I have
>not had time to install these bushings in the upper rear control arms.

Do the polygraphits bushings feel any different from the factory rubber
ones when driving?

>Next up: Front End rebuild... Stay tuned..

Good luck on that, should be fun. I assume you have switched over to a dual
master cylinder for safety...

>Chris,
>Did you ever try the Raybestos OEM disc rotors??? Still can't get my hands
>on a set of '70 front spindles...(Except used mail order)

Haven't tried these. Did you send me that Raybestos part #? When I looked
in my interchange manual (as acquired at Lansing!), the 70 rotors were a
one year only item. I now have one set of good spares with enough meat on
'em to be turned once, plus the rotors on the car. WRT the spindles the
difference from drum to disc is a pad about halfway between the spindle
and the upper ball joint that needs to be ground down about a .25"-.5".

Bad ASCII art:

		balljoint        |
				|
				|
grind down this bit	->     |
				|
				|
	spindle		________

Grind it down a bit (not really sure how much, I found disc spindles) and
you're inbusiness. See a Hot Rod article on this same topic about 2-3 years
ago. They
built a 65 impala with cool 4 wheel disc brakes and had to do this grind
ing process.

Hope this helps!
cf

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:27:46 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses

The 68 Supreme and F-85 have the single chrome outline.  The cutlass S
and 442 have the dual boxes.  It does not matter if the car is a SC, HT
or Convertible.

- -Dan

> > > The Holiday Coupe has different tail lenses than the Sport Coupes.
> >
> > I have both a 442 SC and HT and they both have the two chrome strips on
> > the lenses.
> 
> I always thought the '68 Supreme was the one with the single chrome
> outline around the lens, whereas all other cars had the dual chrome
> "boxes". I don't think it has anything to do with hardtop vs. post
> coupe. This would make a good trivia question.... ;-)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: JWO

In a message dated 97-09-11 02:42:13 EDT, you write:

<< 
 << What is JWO? >>
 It is the magazine that the Oldsmobile Club of America produces. JWO is
 actually called :JOURNEY WITH OLDS:  and it is produced by OCA
  >>


<<What is OCA?>>................<just kidding..> ;-))....lol

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:16:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Do you own a W-455 intake? help!

In a message dated 97-09-11 04:07:21 EDT, you write:

<< mike,
 
 thanks for the info!
 
 <I cant believe yours doesn't have it in it already?...I have never seen one

 not drilled before.>
 
 The hole is there, but it has a plug in it marked "1/2".
 
 Thanks again
 
 RC
  >>

Im not sure about this but was this manifold sold over the counter
for racing applications that called for the plug to be retained??

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:26:25 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: what is SB 42?

At 09:00 PM 9/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have no idea what this (I'm assuming it's a law) is?
>
>SB 42 = ?
>
>RC Hellebuyck?
>
SB 42 is a California law that would exempt cars older than 25 years from
smog requirements.  The assembly changed it to give immediate exemption for
cars of 66-73 model years, and then in 2003 make it a rolling 30 year
exemption.  Below is a press release I received regarding SB 42.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

      CLASSIC  CAR  BILL  HITS  OVERDRIVE
                                        
        
        SACRAMENTO--  Senator Quentin L. Kopp ( I-San Francisco/San 
        Mateo) announced today that his Senate Bill 42, which would 
        exempt from the biennial smog check requirement all vehicles 25 
        or more model years old, passed the Assembly on September 9, 
        1997 on a vote of 75-2.  The legislation now returns to the 
        Senate for a final vote to concur in Assembly amendments.
        
             "It is extremely gratifying to have gained the overwhelming 
        approval of the Assembly, while the passage serves as a 
        testament to the tireless efforts of classic car owners 
        throughout the state in support of SB 42," Kopp stated.  "I 
        expect that the Senate will affirm its earlier unanimous support  
        of the bill in the pending vote on concurrence in Assembly 
        amendments," he added.
        
             Kopp described SB 42 as a simple measure which would 
        provide a welcome measure of relief to owners of classic cars 
        and similarly-aged vehicles.  Upon becoming effective January 1, 
        1998, the bill would exempt all 1973 and older vehicles from the 
        biennial and change of ownership smog check requirements.  Kopp 
        said that the smog check exemption for such vehicles would 
        address numerous concerns of vehicle owners, including that 
        finding the original parts necessary to pass the visual and 
        functional aspects of the test procedure had become daunting, if 
        not impossible, in some cases, and cost prohibitive in many more 
        instances.
        
             "Thousands and thousands of car enthusiasts have backed SB 
        42 from its inception and their unrelenting work on behalf of 
        the bill has kept the measure in the legislative fast lane," 
        Kopp remarked.  "The breadth and depth of support for SB 42 is 
        unparalleled and I trust that the groundswell will be equally 
        impressive to the Governor as he considers his action on the 
        bill," he concluded.
        
                                     #####
        

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:47:04 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: List is quiet

Hi all,

Is it just me or is this list quiet today?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:12:16 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass tail lenses

> The 68 Supreme and F-85 have the single chrome outline.  The cutlass S
> and 442 have the dual boxes.  It does not matter if the car is a SC, HT
> or Convertible.


Thanks for the info.
This makes since.  The HC has all of the bells and whistles.

How available are the Supreme tail lenses ??
One of mine has a small crack.

Forrest Johnson
johnson@edisongroup.com
fjohnson@intervoice.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:36:14 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: FS: 72 C/S

ALL:

I saw this ad for somewhere in South Carolina. Have no idea about it. 
Just thought I'd throw it out there if someone is interested.  Doesn't
sound like a bad price if it actually looks like it only has 29k on it.

F/S: 1972 Cutlass Supreme 2 dr ht.  Factory air, ps, pb, 29,325 one
owner miles.  Extra clean.  $4495  1-803-892-2422.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 11 Sep 1996 13:33:06 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '85+ 442 wheels

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> Some time ago (over a year I'm sure) one of the list members here did me
> a favor and in return I agreed to keep my eye out for some 15x7" chrome
> w/ gold 442 wheels for a late '80s 442.  The problem is that I lost all
> my old mail when I was laid off my last job, so I don't know who it was.
> 
> Anyhow, I found a set of 4 in great shape.  They came on a '71 Cutlass
> that I guy I met bought from Arizona, and he doesn't want them.  These
> aren't '71 wheels, these are definitely the '85-up chrome/gold 442
> wheels.
> 
> So, if you're the one I'm looking for (or if you want the wheels and I
> can't find my man), please drop me an e-mail and I'll put you in touch
> with the seller.

Hmm.  Kinda expect to see a reply that says "Hey that was me" and then
fifty more "me too" replies!  :)

    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:19:44 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Tire Size

Hi Gary, I have a 63 Oldsmobile Starfire htp and when I got the car it
had H78-14 tires on it. The conversion for that is 225-75-14. I searched
everywhere to get a 225-75-14 in a radial with a whitewall. I finally
found that Cooper made a 225-75-14 in a radial with the WW and the name
of the tires are "Cooper Tredsetter SE". The tires come with a small
whitewall so I had all the whitewalls on my car cut to the original 1"
that it is suppossed to be. In 1964 it was the same as 63, your supposed
to have a 1" whitewall and the tire size is 225-75-14 if you have a
hardtop, if you have a conv it should be about 235-75-14. If your
looking for the correct tires in radial with a whitewall I would
recommend these tires, I've had them on my car for a year now and
they've had no troubles so far. Hope this helps you a bit. 

Cliff McFarlane 
Tottenham, Ontario
Fleet includes:	62 Starfire conv (under restoration)
		62 Starfire htp (parts)
		62 98 (parts)
		63 Starfire htp (restored)
		63 Starfire htp (future project)
		63 Starfire conv (future project)
		63 Super 88 (parts)
		57 Ford Fairlane 500 conv (restored)

Gary Manton wrote:
> 
> Just bought a 1964 Olds Dynamic 88 with 215 75 14 tires, the speedometer
> appears to be running 20mph over the actual speed.  Can anyone suggest what
> the original tire size is, along with any way to correct the reading, the
> speedometer cable runs through the driver side wheel.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> G
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