
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 9 1997      Volume 01 : Number 895



Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Re: everyone on the list
Re: Seatbelt Suggestions for '55 Olds
Lansing = Livonia?
Re: radio install
Re: Updates and questions
Re: list of people and cars
TH-200-4R's
Re: Computers and trannies. 
On the Road Again!
Vote for an OLDS on MCC!
RE: Olds & Twins (WAS Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!)
Re: list people and cars
Re: Lansing = Livonia?
Re: H/O's in C&D
Re: Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?
Re: Happy days are here again!
Re: Suspension Q's
Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket
Re: Paint for accessory brackets?
Re: Fuel economy and Carburators
Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?
CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!
Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket 
4 replies / 1 message; Signal to Noise ratio zooming!!
TH 400,  455 single exhaust, '70 98
Re: Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket
Re: SB 42 signed
307 heads
Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?
Re: SB 42 signed
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Re: 1970 SX engine information 
Re: 66 Olds
Interesting Olds F/S
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?
Re: Interesting Olds F/S
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: TH-200-4R's
Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?
Re: Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?
RE: The list people and their cars
Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?
Re: 65 <4|4|2> List  ONLY
Re: 1970 SX engine information 
Re: SB 42 signed
72 442 4-speed for sale
Re: Olds & Twins (WAS Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!)
Re: Computers and trannies.
RE: 72 442 4-speed for sale
Valve cover question
Re: Parts/motors for sale
Englishtown, NJ
Re: Valve cover question
Re: 66 Olds

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:48:59 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

The TH-350 will change out ok with the 455, but like I said, for 
performace, and durability, the TH-400 is the way to go, (thats why 
the big blocks had the TH-400's on em) 

> one I've got in either car though.  Why?  Will the 455 not connect to
> the same tranny as the 403?
> Thanks again-
> 
> 	Jeremy
> 
1975 Olds 98 Regency 455ci 4bbl
1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme 350ci 4bbl 
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl

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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 09:46:38 EDT
From: ClancyErbs <ClancyErbs@aol.com>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

Didn't see my husbands name on the "list" ...

Mike Erb
Clancy, Montana

69 Cutlass S convertible
70 442 Holiday Coupe (W-25)
71 Cutlass 4dr (parts car)
72 Cutlass Supreme
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 06:35:50 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Seatbelt Suggestions for '55 Olds

Try Ssnake Oyl Products at 903-769-4555

G



At 06:15 AM 10/9/97 -0700, you wrote:
>My '55 "88" 2-door hardtop is about ready for it's new interior.
>Would like sources for seatbelts with GM logo like out of '70's
>cars.  The interior is three shades of gray, so guess black or
>gray would work.
>
>Can you still get the old lap-only style from GM dealers??
>
>Any other ideas??
>
>Thanks,
>
>Gary Andresen
>
>
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:04:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Lansing = Livonia?

<<Mark Cornea wrote:
> 
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
> 
>           Livonia,  MI
> 
>                         1970 W30 4-speed (red)
>                         1996 F-250 Crew cab Diesel (red)
>                         1997 Expedition (white)
> 
>             OCA# 4903
>             OPC# 14
>        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Hey Mark, were you clairvoyant or what?  According to the address on the
latest Olds Today paper Olds' headquarters is now in Livonia.

Notice they kept Lansing until after the 100th.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:12:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: fred@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Fred Hellmig)
Subject: Re: radio install

Doug
I have a section in the book I will copy and I will copy the wiring diagram.
Fred

PS please be patient I am very busy.
> 
> Fred that would be very helpful.  Does it show the wire diagram also
> 
> 2320 Lochwoode ct
> Holt, MI  48842
> 
> >
> > Doug
> > I have a 70 service manual which show the brackets I could xerox that for
> > you.
> > Fred
> >
> > --
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Fred Hellmig (KA3NKK)
> > WORK:                           HOME:
> > University of Pennsylvania
> > Building Administrator                822 Anderson Ave.
> > L.R.S.M. Bld. Room 104                Drexel Hill Pa. 19026
> > 3231 Walnut Street                    610 449-4080
> > Phila. Pa. 19104
> > 215-898-7793     FAX # 215-898-8296
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> 
> 



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WORK:                           HOME:
University of Pennsylvania
Building Administrator                822 Anderson Ave.
L.R.S.M. Bld. Room 104                Drexel Hill Pa. 19026
3231 Walnut Street                    610 449-4080
Phila. Pa. 19104
215-898-7793     FAX # 215-898-8296
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:22:20 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Updates and questions

> The prongs (or male receptors if that's what you call them) 
> are what broke off, there were two of them angled slightly, 
> similar to a 'V'....and the part that sticks to it has a 
> dark green and a light green wire attached that meander on
> and eventually go to some unknown destination <grin>    Any 
> clues so I know what part to order?

It's a temperature controlled switch of some sort, I guess. Was 
this engine a '66? Were there any vacuum ports on it as well?
If there's no ports on it, I'd guess it was a temperature warning
switch...? With two connections on it, though, it would have to
be one of the older ones for operating a COLD light as well as a
HOT light.

> I had wanted to look at the inside of the door for rust because 
> everytime it rains the water runs past the little seal on the door 
> (the slanted part that 'rubs' against both sides of the window) 
> and into the door itself

That's not unusual; it's not really intended to be watertight, just
to keep the worst of it out.

> where it collects inside the door

That's unusual.

> seeping through the carpet on the interior door panel

...and so is that. Lie on the ground outside the car and check
the underside of the door; there should be a few slots or drain
holes there. Also, the inside of the door panel should have some
sort of tarpaper or plastic weathershield to protect the back of
the interior panel from moisture. It's usually stuck on the inner
sheet metal of the door, not attached to the interior panel which
goes on over it; i.e. if you need to get at the window regulator
or something like that, you remove the interior panel, then you
have to remove the tarpaper weathershield separately, and finally 
you can get your hands inside the door.

The weathershield normally tucks into the door at the bottom,
through either the bottom-most access holes in the door or its
own little slots below the access holes, so that liquid water
running down the inside of the door will be guided to the drain
holes at the bottom, not allowed to soak into the lower edge of
the interior panel.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:34:30 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

70 442 convertible
93 SHO 5-Speed
94 SHO Auto
87 Mazda B2000 (For Sale)
Steven Saraceno
Chicagoland IL

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 07:35:15 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: TH-200-4R's

Hello ya'll, anyone have an opinion on TH2004R's, I have one  in my '86 
and I want to know exactly what I need to do to it so it can handle more 
torque...I've seen the write up in the FAQ's, but I have to admit...I 
don't quite get it all, I'm starting to get into things I don't know 
alot about here, thanks for all the help gang...
Right now I plan on taking it to a shop...getting it rebuilt, and 
puttting in a shift kit, what else do I need to do?
Thanks,
John

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 10:41:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: Computers and trannies. 

<<>2) I don't want to break the transmission, so I haven't done this yet,
>but...does a shift kit put more pressure on tranny internals or less? >>

Unless you have a really killer motor with unreal torque, reducing slippage
in the clutch packs is actually better for the tranny.

It can also, I suppose, depend on the tranny.  A TH-400 is nearly
indestructable.  I've built several as described in the FAQ which explains
how to make a killer TH-400 using stock parts, you don't _need_ a shift kit.
 But, that takes pretty good knowledge of the transmissions parts an
terminology.  A shift kit is easier for sure.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:58:01 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: On the Road Again!

I big time thanks to all to helped and gave me ideas with my problem.

As it turned out, it wasn't a hot starting problem (however, it sure acted like it!)

It turned out to be the voltage regulator!!!! AARRGGHH! In my entire life of driving old 
Olds's, I have never had one go South on me! Next time, I will look there RIGHT away! 

Thanks again,

Sparky 
 
- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:09:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Vote for an OLDS on MCC!

Damn!  Why did they have to that?

Two Olds' on the same contest page!

Well, guys and gals, vote for which one you like best.  Just so another Olds
wins!

If I can attempt to appeal to your hearts, I've owned my '67 since new, it is
literally a part of my life as well as all the other Olds' I've owned.

It's a fun car that has given me over 30 years of enjoyment.

OTOH, I sure like Mike's car too. 

Just so another Olds wins!!!

Also, remember that if you have more than one email account, vote with 'em
all.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)       
OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:15:28 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Olds & Twins (WAS Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!)

On Thursday, October 09, 1997 8:53 AM, tchurchill@draper.com
[SMTP:tchurchill@draper.com] wrote:
> 
> > Lisa Madsen has modestly neglected to mention that her '67 Delta 88
Custom
> > (Tizzy) took home a third in its class at the Southern California
OCA meet in
> > Yorba Linda this past weekend!
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Got to meet her and chat about our favorite topic for a few minutes
while the
> > twins waited patiently in their matching car seats :)  
> 
> Gee, getting in the recent spirit of compiling more & more specialized
> lists of folks on the Olds list :) (e.g., W-30s only, '65 4-4-2s only,
etc.)
> 
> How about list members who are parents of, or are themselves, twins?
> 
> Lisa has a set, as does Hans apparently.  And so do I.
> 
> As the teacher in Ferris Bueller asks, "Anyone?  Anyone?"
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Churchill -- Dad to Helen and Michael, born on Tax Day, 4/15/94
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

Yes I have a twin, her name is Betty and she loves Oldsmobile's also.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the......Past

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:20:26 EDT
From: dlwels@juno.com (David L. Welsh)
Subject: Re: list people and cars

Dave Welsh   Janesville, Wisconsin
dlwels@juno.com

'69 Cutlass Supreme
'64 Corvair Convert
'48 Dodge Pickup

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 11:29:40 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing = Livonia?

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
> 
> <<Mark Cornea wrote:
> >
> > ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> >           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
> >
> >           Livonia,  MI
> >
> >                         1970 W30 4-speed (red)
> >                         1996 F-250 Crew cab Diesel (red)
> >                         1997 Expedition (white)
> >
> >             OCA# 4903
> >             OPC# 14
> >        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> 
> ------------------------------>>
> 
> Hey Mark, were you clairvoyant or what?  According to the address on the
> latest Olds Today paper Olds' headquarters is now in Livonia.
> 

	Bob,
		Haven't received my "Olds Today" yet. Oldsmobile told me personally
that they were moving to Livonia, so, I decided to move NOW! and be the
first next to the Headquarters!!! (just kidding)

		


> Notice they kept Lansing until after the 100th.
> 
> Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
> OCA/OCF# 7728
> '67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
> Oviedo, FL
> 
> Handren Associates, Inc.
> FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
> Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
> (407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 11:31:38 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: H/O's in C&D

On 10-07-97 RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu wrote:

> . . . I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall
something
> about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
> special trim, in around the '70-'71 era.

************************
I read this sidebar to the Firebird article in my November issue of Car and
Driver last night and also pulled out my copy of The Hurst Heritage for
reference.  As I had recalled, the Grand Prix SSJ was a Hurst-modification.
These were sold in 1970, 1971, and 1972, apparently with a total production
for all three years of less than 600.  Car and Driver's sidebar has a note
however, that they were only documenting earlier conversions which carried
the Hurst name.  Therefore, they rightfully did not mention the Grand Prix
SSJ.  Or many other Hurst-modified vehicles of the era (including taxis!).

The sidebar also didn't mention the 1970 Chrysler 300-H, which was
apparently commonly referred to as the 300-Hurst when the cars were
ordered, but carried only a "300-H" badge and not the Hurst name.

And it appears that Dr. Bob was correct, and they mislabeled the 1968
Hurst/Olds Sport (post) Coupe production numbers and price as being for a
convertible.  We should all let them know about that mistake, just to get
the Oldsmobile name into the Letters section of the January issue.  By the
way, the comparison test between the Intrigue, Taurus, and some Toy-car got
quite a bit of mention in the Letters section of this November issue.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:35:38 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?

> I have heard that this is rather common in Deltas so does anybody 
> know where I should try sealing up the windshield?

It could be coming in anywhere around the windshield molding, even
at the top. I'd suggest getting the right molding removal tool and
carefully popping the side piece off, plus the top one depending on
what you find under the side, and add some silicone sealer around
any suspect areas. If the water can get in anywhere up there, it
can run down the inside of the A pillar and empty into the carpet 
behind the dash.

Also if you have a factory sunroof in it, see if its drain hoses
are plugged or disconnected at the corners...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 10:41:11 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Happy days are here again!

> The exhaust manifold was just warm, not hot.  Woo-hoo!  
> Got my 7/8" wrench down there and lifted with all my might.
> CRACK!  All right!  I cracked it loose. 

So I guess this would be a bad time to point out that there's
a special socket for this, then?  :-)  Cost me only a few bucks
at Trak Auto. Actually, since I probably won't need it again for
a while, we could just mail it around to list members as each
person needs it... it's big enough that you can stick a stamp on
it and a mailing address, if you write neatly...  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:15:32 -0400
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: Suspension Q's

At 11:47 PM 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey, everybody.  I have a question (no kidding!) about the rear suspension
on my 84 Cutlass.  I've heard that replacing the control arms with boxed
ones makes a dramatic difference in the handling of the car.  I have
replaced the front bushings with PST's kit and that made a real nice
improvement.  I was wondering if replacing the rear control arms would make
such an improvement.  There is my budget to consider, also.  Would
replacing just the lower ones be a waste of money?  I figured those would
be the ones to change if I was going to only change two, since the sway bar
mounts to those and not the upper ones.  If anybody has any experience with
boxed suspension arms please respond...I'm trying to get a Christmas list
together and I'm looking at all these products and trying to figure out
which ones are worth the money.  Thanks very much.
>
> Jason Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason
>
>
Jason,
     Sorry this is kind of late but I just now saw your post. This past
summer when I did my rear end rebuild, I went ahead and replace the rear
control arms with Hotchkis rear suspension package. It was a little
expensive, $500.00, but they made a tremendous improvement! My car takes
curves like they were nothing now. They also provide great traction.
Granted I only have a 307 with a 3.73 rear gear but in wet weather the rear
tires only break loose for a second! If you have the dough I would
seriously recommend these bars!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme C Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:15:46 +0100
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket

Hello all, 
I have a problem which surely can only be answered by those specialists in
this list and not by the people in the shop which overhauled my engine:

When my 56 Olds was finished I had it on the German Autobahn for about 1500
miles to go to the German Olds Meeting. When running at about 60 mph the
engine took about 1 Liter of Oil on 600 miles, which it blew somewhere at
the rear end of the engine (at the cover between the heads under the intake
manifold?).

I looked some pictures I have from the Rocket engine in old ads and found
out, that there was a tube lacking at my engine at the rear side which goes
down near the exhaust. I consider this tube to be something like a draft
tube which in my opinion is supposed to create a vacuum in the engine when
passing through the air or at least cut down too much pressure in the engine.
The hole where this tube belongs was sealed by the shop with a freezing seal.

They say the tube never was there when I gave them the engine to restore
and they say the tube isnīt of any importance.

Who is right? I think, when the tube was there, the engine wouldnīt blow
oil and when it is NOT there and the hole is closed, thereīs no means the
get the engine leakproof.

Of course, if the tube has to be there, Iīd appreciate any help in finding
one.......
(56 Rocket)

Thank you, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:24:20 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Paint for accessory brackets?

>Just wondering what you guys, (and Lisa), use to paint accessory 
>brackets like the alt., A/C etc.?  (black)
>
>Do you have to use hi-temp. paint, or will "satin Rust-o-leum" hold-up?
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
- ----------
If you can find it, Derusto brand semi gloss holds up very well against
rust. More expensive than Rustoleum though.
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:43:49 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel economy and Carburators

Buy the carb kit by the carb number on the carb that you have, or the
carb you want to make. I'm not sure if the latter is such a good idea.
For example, putting a carb kit for a '70 W-30 on a '78 carb is probably
a bad idea, unless you make everything match (internal contour, jets,
springs, etc).
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:59:04 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?

In my '78 Delta 88 the windshield leaks on the passenger side,  I have
heard that this is rather common in
Deltas so does anybody know where I should try sealing up the
windshield?

Also, anybody have a guess on what a 455 in said car with a rear gear of
anything from 2.41 to 3.08 will do in city and highway MPG?  This engine
would have a Crane 260/272 adv. dur. .456/.484 lift cam and a 750 Q-jet
from a '78 350-4V wagon.  Exhaust would probably splut to dual after 3:
catalyst.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr.
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Just a wild guess here, since I've done battle with this, is the water
also hanging in the interior trim strip at the top of the windshield?
Does it "fly" out when turning? What I found after I removed the outside
chrome piece was a couple of rusted through holes. Small, but enough. I
goupped a bunch of RTV in and around the holes, and put the trim back
on. Too much RTV will prevent the trim from going back on if the RTV
dries. Harbor Freight has the set of trim tools for 5.99
(www.harborfreight.com), as opposed to $11 from Eastwood.

Sounds like a nice streetable engine. MPG would probably be around
12/17, about what the 403 had from the factory.
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 13:46:37 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?

Anyone going to this show???  I'll be working the entrance gate and 
bringing my '87 442 there.  It's a great show and easy to get to.
o  I-495 (Washington Beltway) to Rt 7 - Leesburg Pike
o  Head WEST toward Tysons Corner
o  Go 'bout 2.5 to 3 miles and Templeton Olds is on the right.

If you look at Wash DC w/ the Beltway running 'round it, Leesburg pike is 
at 9 o'clock.  It is the 3rd or 4th exit after entering VA from MD.  It's 
50 miles from Baltimore, 'bout 1 hour total for me  See ya there!

==========================================================================
October 12, 1997 - 9th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE FALL SHOW.
Hosted by the Capitol City Rockets Chapter. At Templeton Oldsmobile, 8598 
Leesburg Pike (Rt 7), Vienna, VA 22182. Help CCR wind down Oldsmobile's 
birthday. Music by "Oldies 100 WBIG", food & drink, door prizes, OCA 
judging available and parts department may be open w/ show specials. 
Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked before 10/4/97, $12 day of show. Registration 
includes dash plaque, event t-shirt, goodie bag and door prize ticket. 
Please make payment to "Capitol City Rockets". Send registration to: Dio & 
Barbara, Attn: CCR Fall Show, PO Box 332, LaPlata, MD 20646. Info: (301) 
934-2586 or leave a message.
==========================================================================

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 12:49:44 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

At 07:11 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
>
>People                                        State
>                                        Car or Cars 
>Jim                                               IL
>                                     1970 Cutlass W31
>
>

Fred Kemp,Tulsa,Okla.area   '67 442---'67 Cutlass Supreme---'92 G*C Vandura
 Say,this info won't go to the EPA police,will it? NAAAWWW!!!

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:12:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!

Nice show--altho I spent most of my time picking Jim Benoit's brain about his

knockout, 4W disc, Ram Air W30 '68 442.

CoupeKing/Peter Sliskovich

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:14:57 +0100
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket 

Sorry folks,

I wrote  - took about 1 Liter of Oil on 600 miles, - should read: on 60
miles. The first numbers wouldnīt be worth writing a mail, but the second
number gives quite a good rust prevention under the car, but stop somewhere
and there is a see of oil. Canīt be tolerated at all.

greetings, Roland

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:33:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: 4 replies / 1 message; Signal to Noise ratio zooming!!

Killing 4 birds (topics) with one stone:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

CR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?:

Yeah, I'm going!  They're going to have a Curved-Dash there -- I think a
1904.  I heard that the weather is going to be great, and that we may see
up to 100 Olds there!  Of course if 100 Olds don't show up, we'll just
count the ones that are for sale on the lot!  ;-)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

The Infamous List:

FYI:  I was not in "the list", and that's alright by me.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Cars and owners:

I own a 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible and one non-Olds car.
I live in Vienna VA.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 

Voting for cars online:

I voted for Mark Prince's car a while back to help him win.
I voted for Bob Handren's car today (Sorry Mick, I love '67's !).
- -- 
Drew
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles                     
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew Senko
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________




> Anyone going to this show???  I'll be working the entrance gate and 
> bringing my '87 442 there.  It's a great show and easy to get to.
> o  I-495 (Washington Beltway) to Rt 7 - Leesburg Pike
> o  Head WEST toward Tysons Corner
> o  Go 'bout 2.5 to 3 miles and Templeton Olds is on the right.
> 
> If you look at Wash DC w/ the Beltway running 'round it, Leesburg pike is 
> at 9 o'clock.  It is the 3rd or 4th exit after entering VA from MD.  It's 
> 50 miles from Baltimore, 'bout 1 hour total for me  See ya there!
> 
> ==========================================================================
> October 12, 1997 - 9th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE FALL SHOW.
> Hosted by the Capitol City Rockets Chapter. At Templeton Oldsmobile, 8598 
> Leesburg Pike (Rt 7), Vienna, VA 22182. Help CCR wind down Oldsmobile's 
> birthday. Music by "Oldies 100 WBIG", food & drink, door prizes, OCA 
> judging available and parts department may be open w/ show specials. 
> Pre-Reg $10 if postmarked before 10/4/97, $12 day of show. Registration 
> includes dash plaque, event t-shirt, goodie bag and door prize ticket. 
> Please make payment to "Capitol City Rockets". Send registration to: Dio & 
> Barbara, Attn: CCR Fall Show, PO Box 332, LaPlata, MD 20646. Info: (301) 
> 934-2586 or leave a message.
> ==========================================================================
> 
>  ---
> | | | Brad Nicholson

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 15:02:02 EDT
From: FSN6998 <FSN6998@aol.com>
Subject: TH 400,  455 single exhaust, '70 98

The TH 400 was available through 1980 in the 98.  Some early 1977 models got
the TH 350 (the big intermediates were still in production then, so there may
have been capacity problems),  but most 1977 to 1979 98s  with 350 (R) or  403
(K) Olds engines came with the TH 400.  1980 98s with the 350 (R) usually got
the TH 400 as well.  The TH 400 was not available in 88s or Custom Cruisers
after '76. 

Most 88 and 98 455s from '68 to '76 were single exhaust with a cross over
pipe.  The only  post '64 Olds big block (non Toronado) I am aware of with a
single exhaust and factory "Y" pipe is the '68 and '69 Vista Cruiser witht the
optional long stroke 400.  The one I have seen appeared to have stock 442
mainfolds.

Fred Nissen
FSN6998@AOL.COM
1969 98 Convertible 455, TH 400 454,000 miles
1977 Delta 88 Town Sedan 403 Th 350
1977 98 Regency  Coupe 403, TH 400
1978 Delta 88 Royale Coupe 350, TH 350
1979 98 LS Coupe 403, TH 400 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:10:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket

>Hello all, 
>I have a problem which surely can only be answered by those specialists in
>this list and not by the people in the shop which overhauled my engine:
>
>When my 56 Olds was finished I had it on the German Autobahn for about 1500
>miles to go to the German Olds Meeting. When running at about 60 mph the
>engine took about 1 Liter of Oil on 60........

>They say the tube never was there when I gave them the engine to restore
>and they say the tube isnīt of any importance.
>
>Who is right? I think, when the tube was there, the engine wouldnīt blow
>oil and when it is NOT there and the hole is closed, thereīs no means the
>get the engine leakproof.
>
>Of course, if the tube has to be there, Iīd appreciate any help in finding
>one.......
>(56 Rocket)
>
>Thank you, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany
>
>
>
>
Don't know about the tube to which you refer. I blew a rear main seal a 
couple years ago with similar results. No matter what the cause, the engine 
rebuilder should fix your car --- especially if they say there was no tube & 
it doesn't matter. Obviously something matters losing that much oil.

Roger Hitson

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 12:22:25 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: SB 42 signed

Office SC08 wrote:
> 
>         Dear Friends of SB 42:
> 
>         The Governor today signed SB 42 exempting 1973 and older
>         vehicles from the biennial smog check requirement.
> 
>         Chapert #801, the legislation will take effect January 1, 1998.
> 
>         Thanks for your unwavering support!
> 
>                                         Sincerely yours,
> 
>                                         QUENTIN L. KOPP
> 
>         QLK:SS

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:09:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: 307 heads

Jason wrote:

 The 7a heads are supposed to be more emissions-friendly, but less
powerful.  I believe that the 5a heads were dropped and 7a heads
brought in after 85.  I know that my 84 has the 5a heads and that 87's
have 7a heads.  I'm assuming that because  Edelbrock's manifold
supports 307's up until 85, the 7a heads were  implemented in 1986.

If anybody can back this up, I'd appreciate it: I've seen varying
horsepower ratings for the 307.  Some say 150, some say 140.  Could it
be safe to say that the 5a motors have 150 and the 7a motors have 140?
 

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My 86 Cutlass has 7a heads. With a TH350 (was a TH200) and 2.14 (!)
rearend gears it runs surprisingly well. It's no '70 W30 but it has
plenty of power to haul 4 people around with the AC on. Sure beats the
Dod%e Shadow the wife had when I met her!

===
65 Delta 88 2dr
66 Toronado Deluxe
69 Cutlass S 2dr
70 442 W30 convert (4 speed!)
70 Cutlass S W31
70 Cutlass S 2dr
70 Cutlass S 2dr
71 Cutlass Supreme 2dr
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
72 Cutlass Supreme convert
86 Cutlass Supreme
+ a few other non Olds vehicles and some parts cars

John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

HTTP://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

JSPajak@rocketmail.com



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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 13:30:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?

- --brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:
 
Anyone going to this show???  I'll be working the entrance gate and 
bringing my '87 442 there.  It's a great show and easy to get to.

October 12, 1997 - 9th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE FALL SHOW.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We're going! This time we're bringing Robin's 71 Cutlass Supreme 2 dr,
and maybe my 65 Delta 88 2dr. The 71 is newly painted White, no vinyl
top, black bench seat interior, 350 4BBL/TH350, FE2, PS, PDB, AC,
sport mirrors. The 65 is white, turquoise interior, 425 2BBL/TH400,
PS,PB,AC

We've been every year.....this is the 8th year!!
===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com


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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:33:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: SB 42 signed

YAAAAAAYYYYY!!!!!!.....
ps/ck

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:28:07 -0400
From: markskz <markskz@concentric.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Mark S.


> 1978  cutlass supreme, V-8   99,500mi!



> Cleveland, OH

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:38:52 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

>For the 455 ci, I really recomend a TH-400 Trainy, the way you can 
>tell is the shape of the pan. If the pan looks rectangular with 
>corner cut off, thats a TH-350, it it looks kinda like the shape of 
>the state of Illinois, thats a TH-400. The 455 will kill the 350 
>Trainy in the long run, well, if your really going to have fun with 
>the 455 it will, :) Depending upon the year, you could have either 
>trainy with the 403. Hopefully this helps. Going off memmory, after 
>76 they only put TH-350's in, perhaps someone else on the list can 
>refresh my memmory though.

I believe that the C-bodies (like the 98 under discussion) came with the
TH400 when equipped with the 403, and the B-bodies (Delta 88) would come
with the TH350. My C-body '78 Electra came stock with the TH400 mated to
its Olds 403.

>> one I've got in either car though.  Why?  Will the 455 not connect to
>> the same tranny as the 403?

The 455 would bolt to either tranny (same bellhousing on all); it's just a
matter of relative strength. Though a properly-built TH350 is plenty
strong, a similarly-built TH400 will be stronger.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:25:36 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 SX engine information 

>> The W-32 365hp 4-bbl 455 was available from the beginning, as an upgrade to
>> the standard L-33 320hp 2-bbl high-compression 455. It's listed as an
 [snip]
>> BTW, the L-33 was an engine exclusive to the Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme lineup
>> for its brief life in the first half of the 1970 model year. The 2-bbl
>> engine installed in the full-size cars had lower compression, and lower hp.
>
>that was interesting bob...but I have 1 nagging question...how did they 
>manage to get 500 ft lbs of torque from this L-33 motor...I always found 
>that amazing...Hoagie

Well, at the low rpm that the motor put out 500 ft/lbs, being a 2-bbl or
4-bbl didn't really matter, and the mild-lift cam probably helped torque
output in that range. Of course, this same motor with a 4-bbl (the L-31)
was a real dog over, say, 3500rpm. Then again, with a 2.56 rear gear, it
would still break the tires loose at anything below 20mph in the dry (and
on the highway, stomping on it in wet weather would start them spinning at
60mph, and probably even higher, but I learned not to do that...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 16:16:35 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 66 Olds

>A well
>built 330 raced against a comparable 350 will have a torque advantage. 
>[Horsepower sells cars -- Torque wins races!!! :) ]

Um, why would the 330 have a torque advantage? The stroke is the same for
both (3.39"). The 330 might rev quicker than a similarly-built 350, due to
less piston weight, but I don't know that it's a general rule that an
engine *loses* low-end torque when it's bored out.

>In the mid sixties the 330 was Oldsmobile's predominant small block.

In fact, from '64-'67, it was the *only* small-block, just as the 350 was
the only small-block from '68-'75, until the 260 came along in '76,
followed by the 403 in '77 and the 307 in '80. And then it was just the 307
for nearly ten years. Seems that Olds asked one engine to do most of its
work, except for that '76-'81 period.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:41:49 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Interesting Olds F/S

Interesting Olds For Sale in Cleveland Area:

usual disclaimers apply, but will help if anyone eneeds it.


72 Cutlass conv, VGC 79K $3800 216-531-2712
72 C/S, NC car, 75K no rust, must sell $2000 440-230-2945
74 98 L/S less than 15K, EC, Best Offer 440-944-1671
80 Calais loaded, t-tops, fact. alum wheels, 1st $500 440-599-7306
81 Cutlass Brougham Coupe, 5.7L V8 Diesel, 31K, Fl car, $3500
83 Custom Cruiser, no rust, new trans, $1295 216-356-5824


Paul L. Fikaris
69 Delta 88 Conv 455 
fikaris@en.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:51:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

In a message dated 97-10-09 08:29:18 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Hey people,
 
 	can't we all just get along???  ;-)  Why don't we turn this thread into
 something productive, like how can we help this VW owner stuff a Toro
 drivetrain in the back seat of his bug and make it a mid-engined, Olds
 powered rocket (it would still be ugly offcourse, but at least it would be
 Olds powered).
 
 	Just my $.02.  Will there be change forthcomming?
 
 Erik Nowacki
 San Diego
 72 Vista Cruiser
  >>

I agree Eric, I get a little tired of the Grade School mentality at times.
The guy did have an Olds and was here to learn more about his Olds
and to share about his Olds and hear about other peoples advice on
Olds and make his Olds better than his Olds was before he got on 
the Olds list. I believe I have just seen a lot of people on the list say
that they also have VWs. There are many "inferior" makes of cars
that I have owned and yet still loved. If the list were limited to people
who have only owned Olds and nothing but Olds I think it would be
a lonely list.  I think there are alot of people on this list that love to
be helpful, but I think there are only a few who are really knowledgable.

A lot of times there will be a couple dozen "I think" posts put on 
the list before someone actually posts the "facts" of the matter. This
is a matter of people trying to be helpful, but I think in truth its a 
waste of bandwith....course thats just my opinion....TIM

Tim in Kansas
68 442 Conv
68 Cutlass S Conv
62 Jetfire
87 Cutlass Ciera GT (3.8)
87 Buick Regal T Type Turbo (3.8)
and other cars, truck, and bikes
(and a BIG list of should have kepts)

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 14:53:13 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> > 54 olds 98 rocket 4 door "saloon" in Britain...what do they call em
> here?
> 
> They're called "sedans" here on this side o' the Atlantic, Hermine.
>
> In the US, the term "saloon" conjures up images of a smoky place where
> one drinks rot-gut whiskey, smokes cheap cigars, and shoots poker
> cheats
    
Hmm, maybe that's where the first drunk driver came into the picture? 

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:52:02 EDT
From: Geo679 <Geo679@aol.com>
Subject: Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?

where is this show at and how far from philly is it? 
please e-mail back asap! thanks

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 17:03:06 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Interesting Olds F/S

Paul L. Fikaris wrote:

> 81 Cutlass Brougham Coupe, 5.7L V8 Diesel, 31K, Fl car, $3500
						  ^^
I haven't seen any diesel Oldsmobiles out---------||
on the Formula One tracks lately, but I'll
keep a watch out!  What?  Oh, I guess it
says FLORIDA car!  Ohhh!

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:03:45 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> Just a dumb question here.  Why are we all sending this to the list?
> If
> someone wants to compile this, shouldn't this be sent privately???

Not sure if ~anyone~ even knows ~why~ this thread started, but I think
it's really great.  I'd always known this was a powerful list, but I
don't think ~anybody~ envisioned this big of a response, which shows
exactly how large this list really is.  I've been saving all the posts
to the thread, just for personal knowledge.  It's just really
impressive.  

Yes, there was a web page devoted to this, unfortunately I don't have it
bookmarked anymore (Lost it somehow...)  The list format, however, is
immediate, and the members don't have to go "somewhere else" to enter
the information, which is why (I think) the response on the list has
been so much greater than the web form ever was.  

As for why this list is being compiled, or who is analyzing its
contents:  I really don't care.  It's great to see so many members
participating in this forum all of a sudden, and for the newer members,
it allows a chance to introduce oneself without having to say "I've been
quiet for the first few months..." or whatever.  It also allows everyone
to see what other interests the members have.  I noticed one member's 57
Buick listed, so I emailed him, since I have the same car.  I thought
that was really neat, since you just don't see those cars anymore. 

So, to whomever started this thread, "thanks!"  Great idea, regardless
of intent :)
    

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:04:15 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: TH-200-4R's

On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, John Stolarski wrote:

> Hello ya'll, anyone have an opinion on TH2004R's, I have one  in my '86 
> and I want to know exactly what I need to do to it so it can handle more 
> torque...I've seen the write up in the FAQ's, but I have to admit...I 
> don't quite get it all, I'm starting to get into things I don't know 
> alot about here, thanks for all the help gang...
> Right now I plan on taking it to a shop...getting it rebuilt, and 
> puttting in a shift kit, what else do I need to do?
> Thanks,
> John
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
> 
John,
I have plans for a 200-4r in my 87 Olds.  I have a 409 (Olds 403+.030) in
it now producing lots of torque.  All suggestions I've heard from quite
knowledgable and experienced people were to "Grand Nationalize" the
200-4R.  Just a basic rebuild will not help the trans last too long, but
with the GN components and a shift kit it will last and be able to handle
lots of torque for a long time.  One guy, who has succesfully built over
20 12-second or faster cars,  put one in his 84 Malibu wagon
with A Chevy 400.  He said he bought a 200-4R at a junkyard for $175 and
had it "Grand Nationalized" for about $200.  Not a bad deal at all to step
into the overdrive advantages.  He chose the 200 over the 700-R4 because,
in his experience, the 200 holds up better and can handle more torque.  
Ray

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:11:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: IBDEA@aol.com
Subject: Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?

See you there
             BOB & EDNA

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:12:16 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

87 Cutlass
409 (403+.030)
TH350 (unless someone wants to sell me a cheap 200-4R)
Painted 442 style with Cadillac Dark Cherry over Chrysler Platinum
  pictures will be posted when I figure out how the hell to do it

car's experiences:
Drove from Philadelphia to the SW corner of New Mexico.
Hot Rod's Power Tour 97 from Las Vegas to Springfield, Illinois (then home
to Philadelphia).  

I love it.

Ray in the desert.

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 14:16:33 -0700 (MST)
From: Ray <rayc@U.Arizona.EDU>
Subject: Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?

When and where are Olds shows near (within 300-400 miles) of Tucson, AZ?
Anyone?

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:16:22 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?

> Also, anybody have a guess on what a 455 in said car with a rear gear
> of
> anything from 2.41 to 3.08 will do in city MPG?  

ZERO, if driven right!!!  :)


    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 17:19:43 -0500
From: Lucas Frick <lfrick@fibersystems.com>
Subject: RE: The list people and their cars

Luke
Plano, TX

71 442 4 speed - there seem to be a lot of these on the list.  They are
pretty hard to find any other time.  I have been through 3 trans and 3
rear ends.  Also its on its 2nd engine.  So I do have some experience to
share with the list.  This car is red with black top and black stripes -
changed from white top and stripes.  Has the ram air hood and w-30
stripes on side.  It is a pretty quick car that looks completely stock.
Even has the stock looking wheels - but 15".  292 In and Exh, 500 lift
cam, 750 Holley, Street Dominator, headers, 3" (sewer pipe as they were
called last week) and Flowmasters.  Also has lakewood No Hop bars -
these work great.

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:09:34 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: CCR All-Olds Show This Sunday - Whose Comin'?

For those requesting show location...

It is about 20 miles due west of Washington D.C.  On 95 South (from
Baltimore area), take 495 west (the sign will probably say To Rockville or
To Tyson's Corner...you want to go right on 495 no matter what the sign
says).  On 95 North, from Richmond, take 495 west (again, the sign might
say To Tyson's Corner, it might not...either way, you want to take a left
onto 495 (west).  From both directions, south from Baltimore or north from
Richmond, take Route 7 West (off of 495).  Drive (like Brad said) about 2.5
to 3 miles.  Templeton Olds will be on the right (on Tyco Road, I think). 
If you cross Dulles Toll Road, you've gone too far.  Hope this helps.

I won't be there.  I was last year and what a lot of nice lookin Olds's!  I
wish I could come this weekend...

Ray wrote:
> 
> When and where are Olds shows near (within 300-400 miles) of Tucson, AZ?
> Anyone?

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 65 <4|4|2> List  ONLY

Hey GBRO!
      Check mine out at the Bryceman's web site. (http://www.442.com)
                                                         Ron Forsee 65
442-Meister

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:07:43 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 SX engine information 

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> >> The W-32 365hp 4-bbl 455 was available from the beginning, as an upgrade to
> >> the standard L-33 320hp 2-bbl high-compression 455. It's listed as an
>  [snip]
> >> BTW, the L-33 was an engine exclusive to the Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme lineup
> >> for its brief life in the first half of the 1970 model year. The 2-bbl
> >> engine installed in the full-size cars had lower compression, and lower hp.
> >
> >that was interesting bob...but I have 1 nagging question...how did they
> >manage to get 500 ft lbs of torque from this L-33 motor...I always found
> >that amazing...Hoagie
> 
> Well, at the low rpm that the motor put out 500 ft/lbs, being a 2-bbl or
> 4-bbl didn't really matter, and the mild-lift cam probably helped torque
> output in that range. Of course, this same motor with a 4-bbl (the L-31)
> was a real dog over, say, 3500rpm. Then again, with a 2.56 rear gear, it
> would still break the tires loose at anything below 20mph in the dry (and
> on the highway, stomping on it in wet weather would start them spinning at
> 60mph, and probably even higher, but I learned not to do that...).
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918thanx for the info Bob...now...where can I locate some 68 to 72 
convertible rear door panels.....hmmmmmmmm.....Hoagie

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 15:30:21 -0700
From: Curtis Ratica <ratica@knowware.net>
Subject: Re: SB 42 signed

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> 
> Office SC08 wrote:
> >
> >         Dear Friends of SB 42:
> >
> >         The Governor today signed SB 42 exempting 1973 and older
> >         vehicles from the biennial smog check requirement.
> >
> >         Chapert #801, the legislation will take effect January 1, 1998.
> >
> >         Thanks for your unwavering support!
> >
> >                                         Sincerely yours,
> >
> >                                         QUENTIN L. KOPP
> >
> >         QLK:SS
> 
> Chris Sparks




Is this for real?  Is this for us folks in California?

I have a 70 cutlass that runs rough and won't pass smog.  I've
been replacing everthing in the top end so I can start driving
it.  I can't get updated reg without a smog.  Does this mean I
can get my reg. without a smog test?

Thanks...

Curtis

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:27:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: 72 442 4-speed for sale

1972 4-speed for sale. rare car only about 1500 built. needs interior and
body work along with the engine being put back in. car is not drivable. will
need to be trailered. car is in the cleveland,ohio area. $1500 OBO if
interested let me know.

brent (bman6771@aol.com)
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 06:06:25 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Olds & Twins (WAS Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!)

 Tim,

My father mentioned something about having an emergency vasectomy
immediately after my birth.  I am sure that there are no twins here.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>How about list members who are parents of, or are themselves, twins?
>
>Lisa has a set, as does Hans apparently.  And so do I.
>
>As the teacher in Ferris Bueller asks, "Anyone?  Anyone?"
>
>
>
>Tim Churchill -- Dad to Helen and Michael, born on Tax Day, 4/15/94
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:58:41 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Computers and trannies.

As far as leaning out depends on what system you have. Generally they use a O2
sensor. This is mounted in your exhaust manifold and has one wire coming off
it, and if the computer thinks you are running to rich it will lean the fuel
out. They are suppose tobe replaced after about 50k i believe. If your tranny
is in good shape and not slipping then go for the shift kit i think they also
have a billet servo valve goes in real easy dont even have to drop the pan its
about $30. I have them both in my 700 R4 and it shfits REAL hard. The reason
its not used in the factory is everyday people would not like banging into
second and spilling there coffee, Nor would it be a good thing in the rain or
snow for most everyday drivers. Most people like a smooth quiet ride as there
tranny slips and slides into gears. Well your at it grab a tranny cooler to.
good luck

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:21:20 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: 72 442 4-speed for sale

Gives us more info. Engine, interior, colour...etc Would be nice to know
..

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	BMAN6771@aol.com[SMTP:BMAN6771@aol.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, October 09, 1997 6:27 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	72 442 4-speed for sale
> 
> 1972 4-speed for sale. rare car only about 1500 built. needs interior
> and
> body work along with the engine being put back in. car is not
> drivable. will
> need to be trailered. car is in the cleveland,ohio area. $1500 OBO if
> interested let me know.
> 
> brent (bman6771@aol.com)
> 1967 cutlass convertible
> 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 23:41:28 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Valve cover question

Today at the wrecking yard there was a '72 Vista Cruiser with a 350 engine
that had the valve covers with the raised "Oldsmobile" stamping.  Would
these valve covers be correct for my 1970 442 W-30, or were they later than
1970 ?

Expedient response is appreciated.

Thanks,

Brad

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:47:34 EDT
From: AGUY4RUMLI <AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Parts/motors for sale

How much for the power rack? 

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:09:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRDIET@aol.com
Subject: Englishtown, NJ

Is anyone here planning on going to the Englishtown, NJ show this weekend ?
I'm trying to decide what to go & what time.

Steve Dietrich
 S/E PA
   71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:15:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Valve cover question

On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Brad Otto wrote:
> Today at the wrecking yard there was a '72 Vista Cruiser with a 350 engine
> that had the valve covers with the raised "Oldsmobile" stamping.  Would
> these valve covers be correct for my 1970 442 W-30, or were they later than
> 1970 ?

I think these are circa 73, 74 or thereabouts. I know they are later than 
'70. Too bad, since I like the look of them.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:20:53 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 66 Olds

>>A well
>>built 330 raced against a comparable 350 will have a torque advantage.
>
>
>Um, why would the 330 have a torque advantage? The stroke is the same for
>both (3.39"). The 330 might rev quicker than a similarly-built 350, due to
>less piston weight, but I don't know that it's a general rule that an
>engine *loses* low-end torque when it's bored out.

I was wondering the same thing. Actually the 350 should produce more torque
than a 330 because it has more surface area on the top of the piston to push
it down. I doubt the cam bank angle would have any effect on power output.

Daren

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