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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, October 4 1997      Volume 01 : Number 884



Re: Build sheet replacement
Re: Mike Blankenship
Re: Suspension Questions
Re: Console Question
Re: Carburetor Question
Re: Getting off of this list
Non Olds
VWs, etc.
Junkyard '78 Delta Royale
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Audio Speaker
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: FW: Frame off
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: FW: Frame off
Re: ? 4 door 442?
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Carburetor Question
Re: Build sheet replacement
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Console Question
Hot Starting Problems
Re: Console Question
Re: Suspension Questions
Fall Carlise
Re: ? 4 door 442?
Re: Hot Starting Problems
Re: Hot Starting Problems
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Bumper parts
non OLds but a funny list to join
Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
(no subject)
Hot Starting Problems
RE: Slow things
Re: Slow night?
olds FI
W-machine?
425 dist'r again
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Hot Starting Problems

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:45:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Build sheet replacement

Re. build sheets... I found one today! Not mine, unfortunately, though I
took it with me. I was junkyarding, and found a '78 Delta. We were pulling
the power windows and locks from it for mine when the build sheet appeared
behind the driver's door panel. Built in K.C., it must have been a nice
car when new. A Royale, with 403, posi, lots of options. It's stripped
now. We got the windows and locks -- toughest part was getting the wiring
harness out from behind the dash. Basically destroyed it getting it out,
but we got it. Only lost a bit of blood with one cut.  While I was at it,
got a spare wiper and light switch, all of the screws, clips, bulbs and
sockets I could find, rear speaker, you name it. Sure isn't much left now!

Stay tuned for the saga of how long it takes us to install of this stuff!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:44:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mike Blankenship

Mike, What is the phone number for the guy? What is the price. Email me
privately. Thanks Mike!
Jim

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 20:00:26 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Questions

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Subject:
Suspension question > > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:48:20 -0700 > > From: Boogah
Wolfe <boogah@en.com> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.com > > > > Need some advice
from the experts out there. > > Here is the question: > > I have a 72 Cutlass
Supreme that is all original. I am not crazy about > > the "softness" of the
ride.  Are there heavy duty or performance > > suspension parts that were
offered by Olds to "stiffen" up the ride? I > > figured that there were options
on suspension but I am not familiar with > > them. > > Also, do the A-frame
bushings have a very noticeable impact on the ride > > quality of these
vehicles.  Mine are still there, but have seen their > > better days.  I am
considering a complete front end rebuild with poly > > urethane bushings.  Any
thoughts or advice. > > > > All advice and suggestions appreciated as I do not
want to invest $ and > > be disappointed in the outcome. > > > > Thanks > > > >
Joe Wolfe > > Parma Ohio > > 72 Cutlass SupremeI have done frame ups on 2 of my
oldsmobiles...both convertibles...and have done extensive work on the
suspension...I can tell you from experience that energy suspensions
polyeurothane bushings not only look FANTASTIC (they come in like 5
colors...blue is my fav) but they help the ride quality and the handling of
these cars because of the front end weight...both of mine are 455's...and they
help eliminate deflection which occurs in normal rubber bushings...from energy
transmitted from the road by irregularities in road surfaces..I have a guy
locally use a machine he has to remove them...even though I have a 20 ton press
in my garage...it makes the job alot easier and you don't have to worry about
damaging the A-arms...and he only charges me about 10 bucks a piece..which is
worth the price just to eliminate the agrivation....then all you have to do is
remove the ball joints...and sand blast and detail...I could do it in my
sleep....I have priced new springs from Year One...150 a pair is a lil too
pricey for me...I went to the National Parts Depot in Charlotte and got them
for $59..a much better price...and no sacrifice in quality...the springs are
sport style...more of a progreesive rate which help the handling and left the
ride still almost as good as factory...good luck....Hoagie

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 20:03:02 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Console Question

Al Barlow wrote:
>
> I would like to take out the woodgrain insert from the automatic console on
> my 1971 442 convertible. To do this I need to remove the wooden ball on top
> of the shifting linkage. Can anyone tell me how to remove this shifter ball
> (don't want to break it) as I want to replace the insert, it has holes in
> it, with a new one. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Al Barlow
> 1971 442 Convertible
> Thomaston, Maineif I'm not mistaken..I think its threaded on...I might be
wrong....Hoagie

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 20:08:41 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Carburetor Question

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Carburetor swap > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:50:57 -0700 > From: Boogah Wolfe
<boogah@en.com> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.com > > Have a quadrajet from a 68
Firebird 400.  Wondering if this would > install onto a 350 olds on my 72
Cutlass Supreme. Any one ever tried > such madness? > > Thanks > > Joe Wolfe >
Parma Ohio > 72 Cutlass Supremequadrabog...hmmmmmm...yup...it will fit...you
might have a slight jetting problem...but I'm not sure that it would...if
so......you will have to change the metering rods...oh FUN....make
mine....HOLLEY...but to each his own....Hoagie

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:23:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

In a message dated 97-10-03 12:38:23 EDT, you write:

<< I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
 bashing
 Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
 worth
 all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.

      Dave T.
      66 Dynamic 88 Vert
      73 VW Super Bug
      96 VW GTI
  >>


Is this guy serious?  I know this is the nineties and that whining and
victimhood are in vogue, but this is rediculous!  Poor guy!  Life must be
tough for one this "sensitive".

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:29:19 -0700
From: Teresa Stump <tstump@pacbell.net>
Subject: Non Olds

I thought someone on the list might be interested is this..
I am selling my Kodak DC 40 digital camera.
I hope it this ok to post this here.
They come in real handy for getting pictures up
on the web ( Like of your Olds an stuff:))
Hope I haven't offended anyone, cuz you guys
have been good to me.

Contact me if interested.
Teresa Stump
63 Dynamic 88
You can see a picture I took with the camera at
http://members.tripod.com/~tstump/olds.html
tstump@pacbell.net

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:42:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: VWs, etc.

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
> Is this guy serious?  I know this is the nineties and that whining and
> victimhood are in vogue, but this is rediculous!  Poor guy!  Life must be
> tough for one this "sensitive".

Well, I guess he was, since he left shortly thereafter...

I don't mind a little good-natured trashing of certain non-Olds brands on
here, and I didn't think this stuff was bad (have to admit I didn't pay
much attention to it though). Having owned a VW in the past - and having
liked it very much - I didn't mind the little bit I saw.

Maybe it was just a bad day...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:45:02 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Junkyard '78 Delta Royale

Forgot to mention... one odd thing about this car. The interior was still
extremely nice. Powder Blue velour seats and door panels, in excellent
shape, and most remarkably, the headliner and sunvisors -- the infamous
fuzzy cloth that separates from the foam backing -- were absolutely mint,
with no separation at all. Wonder if color had something to do with it?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

In a message dated 97-10-02 19:35:08 EDT, you write:

 From:BMAN6771@aol.com

 do you mean there were only 110 w-30 convertivles made in 71???????
 thanks >>

Yes there were only 110 W-30 Conv. built in 1971
   32 4spd. & 78 Auto.

In 1972 there were only 113 W-30 Conv. Built.

1966 I believe tops the rare W-30 production with only 54 unit built,  all
coupes.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.
J

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:12:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

In a message dated 97-10-03 17:52:32 EDT, you write:

<< DATIC@aol.com wrote:
 >
 >      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest
post
 > bashing
 > Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars
isn't
 > worth
 > all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.

 Sniff...  Anyone ~else~ heartbroken?  Oh, could someone repost the
 ignorant snipping about the f*rds, ch*vies, and mo*ars?  I missed
 those.  If they were only 1/2 as good as smashing the roof of a bug,
 they ought to be excellent, and I'm sad that I didn't get to see 'em.
 --

              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com >>

YOUR RIGHT CHARLIE, IF WE CANT FILL THE SPACE WITH QUALITY
INFORMATION WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST CONTINUE THIS MEANING-
LESS BASHING CRAP....TIM

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:14:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Audio Speaker

In a message dated 97-10-03 18:17:44 EDT, you write:

<< Looking to find a 4x10 10 Ohm speaker for the front dash?

 Any suggestions? >>

Yeah gary they were factory installs in the Concert II systems in the
86-87 Buicks(<--lookout for bashing), and probably several other upgrade
GM systems. Should be able to get one or a pair at a junk yard, err,
auto recycling facility I mean, for near to next to nothing...TIM

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:20:38 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

VW's? I guess I missed bashing VW's......cuz I most certainly would've
joined in on that!

Sorry, guy?....it's an Olds list.......not a VW list...gotta go with the
Charliemeister on this one......


>In a message dated 97-10-03 17:52:32 EDT, you write:
>
><< DATIC@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest
>post
> > bashing
> > Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars
>isn't
> > worth
> > all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.
>
> Sniff...  Anyone ~else~ heartbroken?  Oh, could someone repost the
> ignorant snipping about the f*rds, ch*vies, and mo*ars?  I missed
> those.  If they were only 1/2 as good as smashing the roof of a bug,
> they ought to be excellent, and I'm sad that I didn't get to see 'em.
> --
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com >>
>
>YOUR RIGHT CHARLIE, IF WE CANT FILL THE SPACE WITH QUALITY
>INFORMATION WE OUGHT TO AT LEAST CONTINUE THIS MEANING-
>LESS BASHING CRAP....TIM
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:44:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: Frame off

In a message dated 97-10-03 12:29:19 EDT, you write:

 From:kerrb@basf-corp.com (Kerr, Brian (R))

 Steve: Would you mind 'cc ing' that to me? I was planning to start the
 process of separating the frame from the body this weekend.
 Brian Kerr
 69 Cutlass Conv
 kerrb@basf-corp.com

  Ray,

     Here is how I have teken several bodies off thier frames.  This works
for me becasue I only have a 2 car garage with no overhead lifting
facilities.

Tools Etc.
  (1) Floor Jack  (4) Jack Stands  (2) old wheels  (2) 4x4x8'
   Scraps of 4x4's and 2x4's


First I cut 2-2x4's, one the width of the gas tank braces and the other the
to between the frame rails at the front to span the tunnel.
I take my floor jack and a short 4x4 (for height) and lift the front off the
frame using the 2x4 accross the tunnel.  Raise it just enough to slide a
4x4x8' between the body and the frame.  Put 2 short 4x4's under the front
torque boxes and lower the body onto the 4x4 and let it sit back onto the
frame.
I then go to the rear and use my floor jack and a short 4x4 (for height) and
lift the rear off the frame using the 2x4 accross the tank traces.  Again,
raise it just enough to slide a 4x4x8' between the body and the frame.  Take
a 4x4 a little longer than the width of the tank braces and nail 2-2x4's
nailed perpendicular on the tank support centerlines.  These 2 pieces will
help stabilize the body once it's off the frame.  Slide this setup on top of
the 4x4x8'.  Lower the body onto the 4x4's and let it rest back onto the
frame.  You have to stack a couple of 4x4's in the rear so the final 8' long
4x4 can clear the lower part of the qtr. panels.
Now you can jack under the f & r 4x4 until you reach the height you need.
 Place jack stands under the ends of the 4x4x8' just outside the wheel track
so you can roll the frame out. Use old wheels under the jack stands if you
need more height.
Lift the body evenly so it does not fall over.
Once you get the frame oout lower the body to a safe height.  If you want
nail a 2x4 between the 2 4x4 so the body does not rock that much.

I have used this method several times and have never lost a body yet.

If you need further description or maybe some Pictures I can send then to
you.

Steve Dietrich

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:46:35 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

Is this not and OLDS list? then why are we wasting time talking about a
guy that got off the list? He can't see it. Is it to amuse ourselves?

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:41:00 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

>     I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
>bashing
>Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
>worth
>all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.
>
>     Dave T.
>     66 Dynamic 88 Vert
>     73 VW Super Bug
>     96 VW GTI

To be honest, I bashed on that Olds wagon as hard as I could; it just didn't
crumple up like the VW did!  ;)

OK, ok, enough "bashing". What happened to the VW was a fact, directly from
my experience with that car. I've never driven one, though my big brother in
the fraternity had a white one with a "reclining" front seat; the front seat
mounts had rusted out, so any time he accelerated, it would tip back like a
rocking chair! A girlfriend of mine in high-school had a little Rabbit with
a manual transmission that felt peppy when I borrowed it, and my neighbor
across the street rebuilt a 5-spd diesel Rabbit and constantly challenged me
in my dad's old Plymouth Horizon, which btw had a VW 1.7L shortblock from
the factory (my auto Horizon always won). Oh, and there's an aqua Bug
sitting unregistered behind the house across the street from me.

Well, that's the extent of my VW experience. Not all that deep, so I suppose
I could be accused of speaking from ignorance, but I'm not ignorant of how
that windshield frame caved in with one whack. I try to avoid speaking of
things that I don't know, I qualify things that I'm not sure about, and I
know how I feel when people feel compelled to demonstrate their ignorance
and try to pass it off as knowledge. OTOH, I relish the opportunity to learn
from the experience of others on this list (since this is the place where
I've learned most about Oldsmobiles), and I don't think anyone here should
object to well-reasoned or well-supported claims being advanced here on this
list, no matter how much they might be contrary to my experience or my
leanings. Thus, while I'd like to think my 455-powered Cutlass will be a
fast car, if someone tells a story of how a turbo Mitsubishi beat their 442,
I'm not going to berate them and call them a liar, because "nothing ever
beats an _Olds_, man! Olds is the best!". That would be an ignorant claim.

So, Dave, sorry you find that you're notting getting enough information
about your '66. I'd like to see you stick around and share with us your
experiences, both good and bad, with your car, and even contribute your
experiences with your VW's when they would pertain to the question at hand.
Still, my post about "bashing" VW was an attempt to make this thread a bit
Olds-related, as it was a side-by-side comparison, scientific, if you will,
of the structural integrity of two models of cars, undergoing the same
conditions (a 5-lb sledge) by the same person (me). I drew what I thought to
be a well-founded conclusion from my observations about the relative
structural integrity of the cars, and my desire to protect my loved ones;
given a choice, I still wouldn't want them in a VW. But that's me; it's not
a claim, implicit or explicit, about you, your priorities, or anything else
about your VW's. And I honestly meant no offense.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 21:47:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: FW: Frame off

To list members,
  Sorry i accidently sent the entire mail to the list for removing bodies.  I
ment to send it directly to ray bacause it was long.

Sorry,

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA.
    71 442 W-30 Conv.

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:49:29 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: ? 4 door 442?

>I bought a book called American Muscle Cars and in the section on Olds
>it says that because the 442 was an F-85 option there were 7, 4-door
>442's built in 1964. Is this correct? I never heard of this before.

Yes, it was available on 4-doors. In fact, didn't an early advertisement
highlight a 4-door police-car Cutlass as the basis for the 442?

Speaking of which, were any later 442's made as 4-doors? Maybe when they
became an option again, with the '72's?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:56:22 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-10-02 19:35:08 EDT, you write:
>
>  From:  BMAN6771@aol.com
>
>  do you mean there were only 110 w-30 convertivles made in 71???????
>  thanks >>
>
> Yes there were only 110 W-30 Conv. built in 1971
>    32 4spd. & 78 Auto.
>
> In 1972 there were only 113 W-30 Conv. Built.
>
> 1966 I believe tops the rare W-30 production with only 54 unit built,  all
> coupes.
>
> Steve Dietrich
>   S/E PA
>     71 442 W30 Conv.
> J
As I remember, the code for the Hurst Olds is W-45.  Would that qualify
for the poll on W machines?  If so add a 72 Hurst.  If not, that's okay
too.  Just thought I would ask.

Don Sowers

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:52:47 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Carburetor Question

>Have a quadrajet from a 68 Firebird 400.  Wondering if this would
>install onto a 350 olds on my 72 Cutlass Supreme. Any one ever tried
>such madness?

What is the number stamped into the side of the '68 carb? I can look up what
its jetting is, and see how far off it is from a stock '72 350 setup. Off
the top  of my head, I imagine it's richer, and you'll need to rebend,
extend or replace the fuel-line to match the 90' outlet of the Pontiac carb.
You might also need to adapt the choke, if the '68 has a divorced-choke coil
mounted in the intake rather than on the carb itself.

Is your '72 350 stock or modified? And what intake will you be using?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Build sheet replacement

In a message dated 97-10-03 14:28:31 EDT, you write:

 From:senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)

 All this talk about finding build sheets over the past few months made me
 wonder something.  All you people that find your build sheets and take them
 out of the car, do you ever replace them?  I don't mean with the original
 necessarily, but if I found mine, I'd make a copy and put the copy back
 where I found the original.>>

Andrew,

 Excellent point.  I don't remember if I put the build sheet back into my
last restoration.  I gave the new owner the original inside a plastic pouch.

  I think I will start doing this.  I may even put my name, address, date and
particulars of the restoration with it.

  Who knows what's going to happen in the next 25-30 years.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.


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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

In a message dated 97-10-03 21:23:00 EDT, you write:

<< VW's? I guess I missed bashing VW's......cuz I most certainly would've
 joined in on that! >>


While we are on the topic of Beetle-bashing, you guys know that a VW puts out
something like 37 hp?  I've used lawn-mowers with more power than that!
 Anyone on the list with a 70 442 or such has a car that puts out literally
TEN TIMES the power of a Beetle.

That's not to say that they aren't cute looking cars - my 16 year old
sister-in-law drives one and I think it's neat.  It does perhaps explain,
though, why Mr. VW-owner-former-list-member is feeling a little touchy and
defensive in the cybernetic company of all these thunderous muscle cars.
 They're just too LOUD!

Poor guy!  If his sensibilities were offended by the occasional, mild,
mocking note struck on the list, imagine how he feels with the torrent of
derision being poured out on him now.   It would have been much better to
have signed off quietly.

Tom Simmons
71 SX and (soon) 70 SX W-32

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:07:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Console Question

In a message dated 97-10-03 19:15:30 EDT, you write:

 From:iamoz@ime.net (Al Barlow)

 I would like to take out the woodgrain insert from the automatic console on
 my 1971 442 convertible. To do this I need to remove the wooden ball on top
 of the shifting linkage. Can anyone tell me how to remove this shifter ball
 (don't want to break it) as I want to replace the insert, it has holes in
 it, with a new one. Any help would be appreciated. >>

 Al,

   It sounds like the strait shifter your working with.  I believe the shift
ball just unscrews off the top.  However it is the "T" piece that must come
off in order to remove the plate.  Once you get the shift ball off there will
be a pin inserted through the "T" part. Drive this pin out and the "T" part
will slide off.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:04:57 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Hot Starting Problems

Greetings from the Dark Side!

For the second time in as many days, the Winter Beater (67 Toro) left me
sitting!!! I'm NOT really likin' that!  ):

The car starts excellent when cold. I drove 3 miles to the gas station, turned
it off, filled it up, and tried to start it. It went, "Errrr Err Er....CLICK
CLICK CLICK!" There I sat, with a full tank of gas and can't go anywhere!  ):

This happened the other day which is why I put a new starter in it yesterday.
Guess that wasn't it afterall.

If the car sits for a long while (cools off significanlty), it starts right up.
Today, I didn't have time to wait, plus it was 87 degrees here today, so I
called my buddy to jump me. With the jump, it fired right up! When I got home, 
I
shut if off and tried to start it right away....click click click.....NOTHING!

What I have done so far: (besides alot of cussing)

1. New starter
2. Newer 1000 amp battery
3. All cables and connectors are shiny clean.
4. Positive junction block cleaned
5. I even by-passed the cables and used jumper cables from the battery to the
positive
   junction block and the frame. (in effect taking the car's battery cables out
of the
   loop)

When I get home, I throw the battery charger on it and the needle is pinned to
full charge! However, a load test may be indicated here.

What I haven't done.

1. Cleaned the negative contact on the engine block (thats a bear as I
remember).

There is ONE odd thing though:

The ammeter does not seem to do anything. It just sits in the middle regardless
of draw or charge. This sounds fishy to me!

Could the alternator be somehow connected to this problem (even assuming it IS
charging the battery?). I assume it's charging the battery, because I drove 
home
last night with the lights on and it fired right up this morning. And, the
charger shows full charge.

However, when I start the car with the headlights and courtesy lights on, they
all go out as soon as I hit the key. So, there has to be an enormous draw
somewhere or a bad contact or bad cell in the battery!?!?

Any ideas? We may have to resurrect the HEAT SOAK string again?  LOL!

As usual...TIA!

PS...I'm on the list, so all replys can be sent here.

Sparky
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:16:18 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Console Question

Al Barlow wrote:
>
> I would like to take out the woodgrain insert from the automatic console on
> my 1971 442 convertible. To do this I need to remove the wooden ball on top
> of the shifting linkage. Can anyone tell me how to remove this shifter ball
> (don't want to break it) as I want to replace the insert, it has holes in
> it, with a new one. Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Al Barlow
> 1971 442 Convertible
> Thomaston, Maine
Al,
I believe you just twist it off of there. Just be careful.

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:20:37 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Questions

David, Terri and Rob wrote:
>
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> >
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Subject: Suspension question > > > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:48:20 -0700 > > >
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com> > > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.com > > > > > 
>
Need some advice from the experts out there. > > > Here is the question: > > > 
I
have a 72 Cutlass Supreme that is all original. I am not crazy about > > > the
"softness" of the ride.  Are there heavy duty or performance > > > suspension
parts that were offered by Olds to "stiffen" up the ride? I > > > figured that
there were options on suspension but I am not familiar with > > > them. > > >
Also, do the A-frame bushings have a very noticeable impact on the ride > > >
quality of these vehicles.  Mine are still there, but have seen their > > >
better days.  I am considering a complete front end rebuild with poly > > >
urethane bushings.  Any thoughts or advice. > > > > > > All advice and
suggestions appreciated as I do not want to invest $ and > > > be disappointed
in the outcome. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Joe Wolfe > > > Parma Ohio > > >
72 Cutlass SupremeI have done frame ups on 2 of my oldsmobiles...both
convertibles...and > have done extensive work on the suspension...I can tell 
you
from > experience that energy suspensions polyeurothane bushings not only look 
>
FANTASTIC (they come in like 5 colors...blue is my fav) but they help > the 
ride
quality and the handling of these cars because of the front end > weight...both
of mine are 455's...and they help eliminate deflection > which occurs in normal
rubber bushings...from energy transmitted from > the road by irregularities in
road surfaces..I have a guy locally use a > machine he has to remove 
them...even
though I have a 20 ton press in my > garage...it makes the job alot easier and
you don't have to worry about > damaging the A-arms...and he only charges me
about 10 bucks a > piece..which is worth the price just to eliminate the
agrivation....then > all you have to do is remove the ball joints...and sand
blast and > detail...I could do it in my sleep....I have priced new springs 
from >
Year One...150 a pair is a lil too pricey for me...I went to the > National
Parts Depot in Charlotte and got them for $59..a much better > price...and no
sacrifice in quality...the springs are sport style...more > of a progreesive
rate which help the handling and left the ride still > almost as good as
factory...good luck....Hoagie

Thank you very much

Joe

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 22:39:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Fall Carlise

Well I just got back from fall Carlise.  My feet are killing me, man that
place is big.

I went today (friday 10/03/97) to avoid the huge crowds, which I pretty much
did.
I left my house @ 5:00am and arrived just when the gates opended @ 7:00.

I found about 5 vendors for Olds, including Fusick.  Not a lot considering
they advertise 8100 + venders.  Here is what I saw,  I'll try to remember
prices if I can,

Parts-----
70-72 front fender braces - 55.00
         Maybe someone can help me out here, I have never seen a complete set
of
         these on a car before.  I did see one on the left side of a 70 442 I
worked on.
         The seller said they were used on 70-72 big block cars.  Anyone know
if these
         are correct and should be on all 442''s ??????
71 W30 Intake (the seller had it marked 70 W30) dirty - no price marked
69 - 72 W35 spoiler in primer good shape - no price marked
70 -72 OIA air cleaner, the entire set, bottom lid and top - good cond. - 750
lots of 70-72 sport wheels - cheapest 35, up to 150
lots of 70-72 conv. trunk lids - all around 240
Lots of small parts, tail light lenses, side markers Etc.
The usual chrome platers with Olds bumpers for sale.

Cars ----- (not a whole lot here either)
70 Rally 350 - pretty good shape - around 9500
72 442 hrdtp 350 OIA white with green stripes/interior - around 11k
71 SX hrdtp silver blk interior - around 9k
70 C/S conv. resale red/black top/interior needed total restoration - 3500
69 442 hrdtp brown $ ???
69 442 Conv. blue white top - outside fence $ ???
70 C/S hrdtp also resale red rair condition needed restoration $ ???
65 C/S hrdtp yellow extremely pretty car $ ???
79 442 W30 brown $ ???
15th aniv. H/O black nice condition around 5k
not much else.

   Oldsmobile is definetly the minority at Carlise.  Would be in better shape
if I liked ch*/y, must*/?? no..a. Etc...............Naaaaaa, much more fun
with Olds.

 Steve Dietrich
   S/E PA
     71 442 W30 Conv. >>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:42:41 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: ? 4 door 442?

At 06:24 PM 10/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I bought a book called American Muscle Cars and in the section on Olds
>it says that because the 442 was an F-85 option there were 7, 4-door
>442's built in 1964. Is this correct? I never heard of this before.
>

        Yes they made 4 door 442's in 64. I had the first one ever produced.
They did make 8 though. I know some references list 7. The Olds historical
archieves list 8. These were Deluxe 4 door F-85's.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 11:35:35 +0900
From: James Zito <jimzito@uriel.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Starting Problems

I had a simmilar problem with my 442 before I had the engine rebuilt.

I'm just guessing that you have fairly high miles on the engine.

So IMHO

What happens is that as the car heats up and parts expand and the oil thins 
out.
Not a big problem as long as the motor is running since the oil pump keeps
everything lubed up.  But when you shut down, the oil runs down the cylinder
walls.  Now your rings are trying to slide on the rough walls but they get
stuck. Once the engine cools off a little, the clearances open up enough for 
the
engine to spin again.

To get around the problem I changed my oil which helped some.  The bigger ring
clearances you have with the cold motor allow some of the fuel mixture to slide
by and dilute the oil, so it doesn't lubricate as well as it should.

Unfortunately, this will only help for a short time and then its
tear-down/re-build time.

Hope someone with more brains than me gives you a cheaper long term 
alternative.

Jim
69 442 conv

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:48:34 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Hot Starting Problems

Greg I have had the same problem with my truck..it acted the very same
way. I though it was the battery but I knew that the starter was on it
last legs, I replaced the starter and the battery cables with ª0 gauge
wire, now those are really big wires and I have not had any problems
since. Try cleaning the connection with the ground to the block if that
doesn't do it try running an extra wire from the battery to the FRAME,
sometimes this will help I'm not sure why but I think that the ground
from the engine to the frame goes bad . this sometimes will help with
the gauges readings, especially if the reading will change if you turn
on the fan or something like that. Also don't over look the obvious the
new starter could be bad....good luck

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:56:53 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

Robert Barry wrote:
 But that's me; it's not
a claim, implicit or explicit, about you, your priorities, or anything
else about your VW's. And I honestly meant no offense.

(Get up on soapbox, clear throat, check the microphone)

It is extremely difficult to be politically correct in this day and
time.  If an individual wants to get mad about something, they will no
matter what the facts are.  To be honest with you, I was kind of
wondering who was bashing the VW and how I missed it.  Like Charley, I
didn't catch the bash either as I read the piece as a comparative
analysis and not a put down.  I, too, would get tired of the bashing of
other makes when it is not just good natured ribbing.  The gentleman
who  was a little oversensitive about this obviously had not noticed the
wide variety of autos owned by the people on this list.  That does not
indicate tunnel vision is rampant among the masses.  All manufacturers
have some cars they are justifibly proud of, just as they all have some
they wished the designers had drank a cold beer and forgotten about.
Bottom line is most people on this list realize this and 'bash' good
naturedly.  It is just that they like Oldsmobiles best.  My favorite
packages are the 69-72 Cutlass/442s, but I also like some Chargers,
GTOs, GTXs, GS Buicks, Roadrunners, and FOMOCO products.  But for the
most part, the common thread is I prefer cars that give reasonable
economy with a lot of power, performance and style (hopefully with a
convertible model).  The tacky part of this whole deal to me was that
Robert was not bashing the VW, but relating an experience from college.
If the top buckled, it buckled.

Th bottom line is this.  You s*bscribe to this list because you want
to.  It is totally voluntary.  When you no longer want be a part of what
is going on here, you "un"volunteer.  If people read the directions
provided by Greg & Co. it is a simple process.  Unfortunately some
people would rather fire off a final salvo before exiting.  If this
place ain't your cup of tea (as the old timers put it), find another
teapot.  I, for one, have found this list, the people on it and the
related cyber sites to be a wonderful resource and a LOT OF FUN.  So I
plan to stay around and learn from those with better experience and
resources.  I'm just thankful to Greg and the others for the
opportunity.

(Get off soapbox, pick it up, head towards the door)

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 23:01:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Vin442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

if the unit under your car has a round rear cover, it is a BOP rear and does
indeed have a ten bolt ring gear. a 12 bolt chevy rear has a wrinkle in the
cover and has a 12 bolt ring gear inside. also parts and gear ratios are more
available for the chevy rear. hope this helps

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:30:32 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Bumper parts

Hi all,

I was wondering how many rubber bumper fillers were used in the front
and back bumpers say for a 68?  I know 4 (2 front, 2 back) can be
seen while the bumpers are on.  How many are behind the scenes.
When I pulled off my old damaged bumper, I counted three extra.
Two small little ones and one big one all symmetrically placed.

Let me know.

Chris Sparks

PS  Has anyone heard from Joe Padavano lately?  I guess he is busy
    working.

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:27:26 -0500
From: gilly24-7@juno.com (Gabe G Gilsrud)
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Hello to all...
Lately, I've been having problems with the lighting on my '82 cutlass
supreme...
The flasher does not work, even after replacing all bulbs and checking my
ground.
I haven't had a chance to replace the flasher itself, but the reason for
that is this:
When I hit the brake when the car is not running, the parking lights turn
on and my lights on alarm sounds.
If I release the brake, it stops.
Sound familiar to anyone???
I need to take my license test in the car in a week, so a reply in the
near future would be highly appreciated...
Thank you all, and thanx to the founders of this list,
See Ya...


- -Gabe G. Gilsrud
Gilly24-7@juno.com

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT) senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A.
Senko) writes:
>>
>> sounds like you have a short somewhere (most likely w the alarm
>--just a
>> guess)
>>
>> i am in mechanics / auto tech. school (1st year) right now, so i am
>just
>> learning about this.
>>
>> my teacher said that near every wire with currant, there is an
>> electro-magnetic field.  and some how (which i will be learning
>about in
>> the next few weeks) you can take an ordinary compass, and find the
>short
>> location to a specific area before you have to "rip" everything
>apart
>> (like a door panel, etc.)
>>
>> if you know how to use this technique, happy hunting!!!
>>
>> --joe
>
>
>But first, buy up a bunch of Cracker Jack's so that you can get a
>compass
>small enough to fit anywhere!!   ;-)
>
>--
>Drew
>
Ha Ha...
Thanx, but I can't find anyone who can help me with this method.
Sounds familiar, though.
My electrical wiring teacher/truck and tractor teacher says the flasher
could be the only problem, but I doubt it.
is there a known way to check the alarm???
where IS the alarm???I can hear it but the sound seems to move, probably
because it's so annoying...
thanx...

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:26:57 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

the compass doesn't have to fit everywhere...  it just has to find the
general area (ie which door, what side of the dash, etc)

i guess though if it is small enuf, you can narrow your possibilities
better!
- --jj

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:33:31 -0700
From: pete m <markops@Traveller.COM>
Subject: (no subject)

Please delete me from your list for now
Will be back
PM

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 23:15:39 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Hot Starting Problems

James Zito wrote:

> I'm just guessing that you have fairly high miles on the engine.

Clock shows 85K, prolly correct too. Although it may have came from an abusive
family.

> What happens is that as the car heats up and parts expand and the oil thins
out.  Not a > big problem as long as the motor is running since the oil pump
keeps everything lubed > up. But when you shut down, the oil runs down the
cylinder walls.  Now your rings are > trying to slide  on the rough walls but
they get stuck.

Jim,

Nice theory! However, would that happen in mere seconds?  I will admit, it 
needs
an oil change (actually it's mystery oil...I have no idea how long it's been in
there), but it's fairly viscous doesn't smell gassy. I will change it ASAP in
the morning!

> Hope someone with more brains than me gives you a cheaper long term
alternative.

Not at all! I thought that was a very cogent theory!

Thanks!

Sparky


- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:22:56 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: Slow things

Oh I wish, but he plans on replacing the pedal - ummm I mean motor &
keeping it.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:27:38 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Slow night?

You get 1 - 6 am off?  Hey, that's not fair.  Actually I can only blame
myself for my light sleeper (one does sleep good) cause she gets it from
me.  This is the only time my insomnia doesn't act up (it still does
occasionally - go figure).

I just can't wait till they are a *bit* older and are a
liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiitle more manageable.
Lucky for me I can do my sideline income project at work on lunch & after
5, I'd never get around to it here at home.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:37:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: olds FI

From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds factory TPI

Thanks Greg! Nice description. The intake ID should be between the front
most, right hand runners. In keeping with letter = small block item, it
should be a letter. The casting number will be 4 to 8 digits long and
most likely on the top of the runners or near the intake plenum holes.

A couple of more questions. Does it have EGR and how many bolt holes are
there to attach the throttle body to the intake?
========
Uh, isn't that ª=SB, letter =BB?

Ya know, I have one of them intakes... somewhere out at the farm. Thought I
wrote down the casting ª, but can't find it in the big database under "FI" or
"intake"...
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:42:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: W-machine?

Subject: Re: W Machines
In a message dated 97-10-02 11:23:42 EDT, you write:

<< Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's
 here  details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many
 people on the list have these rare and powerful machines.
==================
We have a W machine. Keep it in the basement right next to the D-machine, the
wife uses 'em to "W" & "D" the clothes. Whirlpool?

Ha ha ha. In the garage there's two W30's... what a pain in the ass! First you
gotta find then bothersome W30 heads. Then there's the carb that is made of
unobtainium, unless any old number will do... the special air cleaner... Unless
you are so fortunate that your car came with all these things, they were not
disposed of along the way.
  Yuck. Avoid them at all cost. ;-)
They burn gas, use up tires too fast, you NEVER get to view the back end of a
5-point-slow... unless you're passing.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 00:53:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 425 dist'r again

> Subject: Re: 425 distributor

There's some Mondello rumor that pre-68 blocks like the 425 can't use later
dist's or vice-versa? I have yet to investigate it myself, but find it hard to
swallow. Anyhow, key point is, after installing the dist'r loosely, lightly
clamped, make sure there is "some" end play in the dist shaft. You do NOT want
the dist housing cramming the dist gear down onto the machined surface in the
block. I'd look for about 0.010-0.100" slop, wait, that's a F*rd term,
"Clearance", that's the Olds term!

The amount of dist shaft end play with the dist'r OUT of the motor is not
really relevant unless it's obviously way worn out. SIDE play is the usual
offense. And, yes, NAL sells dist'r rebuild kits- about $20 for a dozen dist's
worth. Do we need to go thru the "what's NAL & how do I get a catalog" dance
again ?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 01:27:20 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
>
>      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
> bashing
> Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
> worth
> all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.
>
>      Dave T.
>      66 Dynamic 88 Vert
>      73 VW Super Bug
>      96 VW GTI




Ignorant?  Us?  Never....

You think your little VW's are so great?  Look at it *this* way...when I
run a stop sign with 5000lbs of steel, and crank the side of your tuna
can, they'll have to bury your body in a Sucrets box...

Very Worthless!!!

So cry me a river...those FUKENGRUVEN t-shirts drive me nuts.  I'd
rather have one with a Rocket emblem, but it would have to say
FUKENMOOVIN' then...

S.D.W.

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 02:01:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot Starting Problems

Do you have headers? if so you can get a heat sheild for the starter and or
put headerwrap on the pipes. If no headers check your initial timing probuly
to far advanced. Has the starter been changed? If so was it properly meshed
with the flywheel gears maybe a shim is needed i believe you can use a paper
clip for proper clearence. joe

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