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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, August 20 1997      Volume 01 : Number 809



Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: Headliners
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Re: Disappointed with Members
HEI
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Where are you?
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Mileage tip for HEI users
Re: HEI
GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: People gone.
Re: Mileage tip for HEI users
[none]
Re:
re-subscribe
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Left to bring up the rear.....
Don''t Give Up
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Re: Rallye packs and people gone.
Re: Convertible Top for '66 Cutlass
Re: Guagepack
Re: Olds extravaganza
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: parts wanted
Re: Disappointed with Members (LONG)
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: 69 gauges
Swapmeet URL
Re: Guagepack
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: UNBOUNCE: 67 Cutlass
Re: People gone.
GUAGEDONE
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: Don''t Give Up
Knock Knock Whos There?
Re: California shows
Re: Responses to various postings
Re: Where are you?
Re: GuageHelpalmostdone
Re: Where are you?
455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
84 Hurst Olds
Re: Where are you?
Cleaning Mag Wheels
Re: GuageHelp

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:55:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

wouldn't we all like a bigger garage?????

brent
67 cutlass convertible

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:36:22 -0400
From: taxlady@sbccom.com (Sieglinde Kuzava)
Subject: Re: Headliners

I didn't say I was working on it NOW :-)

The other responses, BTW, are correct in that you need to take your time
and be careful (distractions and interruptions make for a substandard job),
but it IS do-able.

Can't wrench anyhow - if I dropped something close to my feet it would take
months to locate it!  When IS the new moon?  Guess by now everyone's
figured out I didn't go to Lansing either (ROTFLMBO).

Sieglinde



- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Headliners
> Date: Monday, August 18, 1997 11:07 PM
>
> Sieglinde Kuzava wrote:
> >
> > The last headliner I installed was, granted, in a 73 N*va, but I found
> > that, if the problem is that the material is separated from the
backing, a
> > very careful application of spray adhesive will resecure it.  I plan to
do
> > the same thing to the headliner I am preparing to install in my 78
Cutlass.
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Panman638@aol.com
> > > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Headliners
> > > Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 10:54 PM
> > >
> > > I will need a new headliner in the 1972 4-4-2 i am working on. I have
had
> > > alot of people tell me not to try do put it in myself. Has anybody
put a
> > > headliner in. I understand if I got one from Year One they would send
> > > directions along with it. What is anybody thoughts or advice on this?
>
> taxlady,
>
> You're supposed to be becoming a mother again instead of installing
> headliners.  Yoy're going to ruin the myth(?) of the full moon filling
> up the hospital's new mother ward.
>
> Don

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:00:25 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

 Daniel,

I hadn't actually noticed very much rudeness & I apologize if I am one who
has come on too strongly or been jesting in bad taste.  It seems to me that
anyone caught being rude has been quickly & decisively asked to cease &
desist.  They have done so, usually apologized, & nothing more has been
heard of the matter.

I hope that you will please bear w/some of us outspoken individuals.
Everyone should enjoy the list & never feel intimidated.  Please don't
hesitate to let me know openly or privately if I have stepped out of line.
It is never intended, but I know that I am capable of such a thing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

BTW.  I own a 1968 442 4-speed convertible.  If I can share anything on my
mess-ups, please let me know.




>I would like to state my opinion in this matter...although, proving my
>point, I think I will be criticized if I do.  I am relatively new to all
>of this, being only 20 years old.  I joined this list because I thought
>it could provide me with an unlimited wealth of knowledge on the given
>subject, which has held true.  However, I did not join to be talked down
>to or made fun of because I do not understand some things.  I have had a
>few postings because I do have some questions that I know you guys can
>answer, which  in most cases you do and I thank you for it -  Mr. Rothe
>especially, for the help deciphering my buld sheet.  As for those who
>feel the need to be rude in answering my questions, I don't think it's
>appropriate.  I apologize for not know as much as you, because if I did,
>I wouldn't be here.  I am trying my best to accumulate as much info. on
>my '69 442 as I can and this seems the place to do it...however, I don't
>think I will be around much longer if my questions continue to be
>scoffed at.  Overall, this list is a godsent to me.  It seems as if it
>should have a more friendly nature than it sometimes does...which makes
>me ask....what the hell?
>Thank you all for your time.
>--
>Daniel R. Gerow

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:21:44 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

 Bushings are available at parts stores most everywhere.  I have removed
them w/an air chisel several times & replaced them.  The control arms are
removed & then the busings removed & replaced.  They must be pressed in to
replace them.

This all can be done at home w/the proper tools or take the control arms to
a shop to have it done.  The proper tools include an air chisel for removal
& a set of drivers or a press for installation.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Anybody out there?
>
>
>I have also a question:
>I read in my service manual that whenever you want to rebuild the rear
>suspension, if you want to change the bushings on the control arms, you
>have to replace the complete arms.
>But people at P.S.T. tell me that I can replace only the bushings.
>Who is right?
>
>Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?
>Well, if I could I would have, too...
>
>Alain
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:32:26 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

At 04:41 PM 8/19/97 -0000, you wrote:
> A disagreement is unfortunate, but do we want a bunch of milk toasts who
>are afraid to speak up?  We not only have some outspoken people here, but
>these are also gentlemen who know when to apologize & how to grciously
>accept an apology.
>
>Like any family, we stick our feelings out & sometimes get them stepped
>upon.  Just as quickly, the mistake is recognized & repaired.  Families
>become stronger in these circumstances.  This is a strong family.
>
>
>
   Lloyd,


  Are you living alone in an appartment with a cat and no TV?


  Paul

 P.S. Just kidding.  I wouldn't want to start another row.


Olds content:Eventually we all become olds.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:05:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: HEI

What is HEI?

Thanx, Jamie

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:14:39 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
>  Daniel,
>
> I hadn't actually noticed very much rudeness & I apologize if I am one who
> has come on too strongly or been jesting in bad taste.  It seems to me that
> anyone caught being rude has been quickly & decisively asked to cease &
> desist.  They have done so, usually apologized, & nothing more has been
> heard of the matter.
>
> I hope that you will please bear w/some of us outspoken individuals.
> Everyone should enjoy the list & never feel intimidated.  Please don't
> hesitate to let me know openly or privately if I have stepped out of line.
> It is never intended, but I know that I am capable of such a thing.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
>
> BTW.  I own a 1968 442 4-speed convertible.  If I can share anything on my
> mess-ups, please let me know.
>
> >I would like to state my opinion in this matter...although, proving my
> >point, I think I will be criticized if I do.  I am relatively new to all
> >of this, being only 20 years old.  I joined this list because I thought
> >it could provide me with an unlimited wealth of knowledge on the given
> >subject, which has held true.  However, I did not join to be talked down
> >to or made fun of because I do not understand some things.  I have had a
> >few postings because I do have some questions that I know you guys can
> >answer, which  in most cases you do and I thank you for it -  Mr. Rothe
> >especially, for the help deciphering my buld sheet.  As for those who
> >feel the need to be rude in answering my questions, I don't think it's
> >appropriate.  I apologize for not know as much as you, because if I did,
> >I wouldn't be here.  I am trying my best to accumulate as much info. on
> >my '69 442 as I can and this seems the place to do it...however, I don't
> >think I will be around much longer if my questions continue to be
> >scoffed at.  Overall, this list is a godsent to me.  It seems as if it
> >should have a more friendly nature than it sometimes does...which makes
> >me ask....what the hell?
> >Thank you all for your time.
> >--
> >Daniel R. Gerow
Bill,

You hurt my feelings about 4 months, two weeks, three days 6 hours and
22 minutes ago.  However, if I can buy your 68 for $50, all will be
forgiven.  (JUST KIDDING!)  I agree with you about the civility of the
fine people on the list.  They seem to a great bunch of folks. Now about
that 68.....

Don

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:25:43 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

Pat McDermott wrote:
>
> So where are you ?
>
> Don Sowers wrote:
>
> > Hello to all not in or heading to Lansing,
> >
> > A lot of times I see people on the list who do not put the general
> > area
> > they are located on their e-mail.  I know a lot of people do, but a
> > lot
> > don't.  It is really interesting to know where other people are from
> > and
> > helps to understand some of the comments made.  If you're not hiding
> > from the mob, IRS (this one I could help you with-no I DON'T work for
> > IRS), or an ex-wife/husband, a general area (i.e., Lexington, Ky or
> > Central Ky.) would be appreciated by a lot of people.  It is really
> > interesting to learn about other areas and people.  I have to agree
> > with
> > others that this group of people is quite diverse and interesting.  I
> > know a lot of people have been more than helpful to me.  If any of you
> >
> > are in the central Kentucky are, let me know and we will meet, shake
> > hands and swap car lies.  Thank you for your time and attention.
> >
> > Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:24:01 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:

>  Daniel,
>
> I hadn't actually noticed very much rudeness & I apologize if I am one
> who
> has come on too strongly or been jesting in bad taste.  It seems to me
> that
> anyone caught being rude has been quickly & decisively asked to cease
> &
> desist.  They have done so, usually apologized, & nothing more has
> been
> heard of the matter.
>
>

I wouldn't say it is anyone in particular...just some present a "better
than thou" attitude about neophyte Oldsmobilers.

> I hope that you will please bear w/some of us outspoken individuals.
> Everyone should enjoy the list & never feel intimidated.  Please don't
>
> hesitate to let me know openly or privately if I have stepped out of
> line.
> It is never intended, but I know that I am capable of such a thing.
>

Don't get me wrong, I am here as long as the lists remains intact.  Like
I said, I appreciate what you all have done for me and in the coming
months, as my bank account grows (yeah, right), I will be needing your
help more than ever to start work on my ride.  And no, I won't hesitate
if I have a problem with anyone here...believe me.    :)

> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
>
> BTW.  I own a 1968 442 4-speed convertible.  If I can share anything
> on my
> mess-ups, please let me know.
>

You got it man!--
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3
General Manager
Stonehill College Radio
- -----------------------
http://www.stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:20:45 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage tip for HEI users

> ...Now I'm a little curious.  Those blue springs start advancing at 400
> RPM instead of the stock 600, which means you probably "advanced" the
> initial timing as well when you replaced he springs.  They also advance
> quicker and farther than stock, (in the absence of stop bushings).  Did
> you replace the weights and weight bushings, (if applicable), as well?
> If you were pinging with the old stock setup, it's probably because the
> old weights' pivot holes had gotten oblong on you and/or the bushings
> were completely gone, (thus adding centrifugal force by moving the mass
> further from the center).  In addition to this, your old springs were
> probably worn or maybe even cracked...... Or I don't know anything at
> all and it just worked better with the unknown initial advance...  :-)
> and then there's the whole issue of the vaccum canister.  Does it work?
> Does it advance early due to age?  Is it a new adjustable or stock?  On
> the initial advance, assuming you still have decent compression, if the
> motor turns over after slight hesitation, (starter load), you're
> probably running at least 12 degrees of initial advance.  If not, it's
> probably something less.
>
> Dave


I think I am running somewhere in the neighboorhood of 10 degrees
initally, the motor starts immediatly with no hesitation. I know the
jump in mileage seems a bit extreme, I was amazed but non the less its
the truth. Now understand I am not saying that my car gets better
mileage all around, just on the highway, in town mileage has remained
roughly the same, a little better. The HEI I have is a rebuilt unit from
NAPA. The weights, springs, bushings and all internals were all new when
I got it and have been running it for about 6 months now. With the
factory setup I was pinging only when the motor was warm, say just
coming off the highway and only at a certain load, which was about 1/4
throttle, anything above or below that I didn't have a problem. With
this setup it will still ping very slightly when I come off of the
highway, but not much, and certainly not anywhere close to what it used
to be.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:22:43 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: HEI

Klinsmann7@aol.com wrote:
>
> What is HEI?
>
> Thanx, Jamie


High Energy Ignition, its the big ugly distributor with the coil in the
cap that GM used form 74 to 80 something. Many people make the
conversion to avoid dealing with points, and it seems to be a bit more
reliable than the point condensor - thats entirely an opinion of course
:)


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 18:40:11 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: GuageHelpalmostdone

Ok,
I am sure everyone is SICK of this but anyways,
I traced the wires on the back of the guages and it looks like ill need
to move almost everyone of them.  But there is one thing i dont see and
that is a hook up for the tach., on the other car it looks like there
was a dedicated line for the tach, but i dont see one on mine... here
are the lines that correspond with there possitions from the diagrams I
gave.

My Car Con. 1
1. Left turn signal  - Light Blue
2. Ground?           - Black
3. Backlighting      - Gray
4. Charge light      -  Black
5. Backlighting      - Gray
6. Ground            - Black
7. Fuel gauge??      - Pink    <-goes to a clip with a screw in it
near                                  the fuel guage
8. Right Turn signal - Royal Blue
9. Fasten Belts      - Yellow
10. Brake light      - Beige w/white stripe
11. Temp  light      - Teal Green
12. Ground           - Pink w/Blak Stripe
13. OIL/CHOKE lite   - Light brown
14. Highbeam indic.  - Green

Con. 2
1. Check engine

Donor car Con. 1
1. Backlight         - Gray
2. Ground            - black
3. Fuel Guage ??     - Pink
4. Oil Guage         - light purple
5. Fasten belts      - Yellow
6. Brake             - Biege w/white stripe
7. temp guage        - green w/white stripe
8. oil/choke light   - Blue
9. charge light      - black
10. Ground/vlt gauge - Pink w blk stripe
11. Highbeam indic.  - green
12. Left turn sig    - Light blue
13.  Right tunr sig  - Blue
14. ??? Tach???      - white  <--goes to a clip w/screw in it at almost
center of the tach.

Con. 2
1. Check engine      - Yellow
2. empty
3. empty
4. \___ went to the temp light on the rally pack
5. /
As you can see a lot of the same colors do the same functions, except
for white. what the hell is white for.

I am going to swap out the water switch with a sender. And run the temp
light to the guage.

I am going to do the same with the oil, and run the oil/choke to the
guage, BTW the oil sender is about twice as big as the switch and i dont
think i am going to get it to fit without a pipe extension... its about
1.75 inches in dia and 2 inches tall.. the old one was 1 inch dia and 1
inch tall...

I am just going to run the charge light to the volt meter

all the other connectors I can safely move without adjustment, this
should be the last posting from me if all goes well, If there are final
remarks before i install the guage pack, let me know... Otherwise wish
me luck....

Thanks,
Adam Andersen

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:53:05 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: People gone.

John Pajak wrote:
>
> ---Tom Lentz  wrote:
> >
> > Don Sowers wrote:
> > >
> > > That makes at least four of still here, you, me, Chris Sparks, and
> > > Adam.  I know Robert Barry, Mike Rothe, Lisa and a few others are
> still
> > > among the unfortunate working class also.  Sure is quiet though.
> > >
> > > Don
> >
> > I'm still here too (grumble).  I just got done looking in the FAQ for
> > help on the G-body gauge wiring, and didn't find anything.  I found
> > instructions for the A-body though. . .
> >
> > Tom Lentz
> > Spokane, WA
> > tlentz@ior.com
> >
> **************************
>        I'm here but have just caught up on all the messages. I have to
> read them here at work as I have no home PC! I must be one of the few
> Amercians with no PC. We do have TV and indoor plumbing though.
> (ha-ha)
>        We decided to build the garage (30'x40') instead of doing the
> Lansing trip. Hard decision! I did send (2) one-use cameras with Doug
> Kitchener- he'll get some pictures for us!
> ===
>
> John Pajak
> Information Spectrum Inc.
> Network Installation Team
> Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland
>
> 65 88
> 66 Toronado
> 69 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S W31
> 70 442 W30 convertible
> 71 Cutlass Supreme
> 72 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> 72 Delta 88 Royale convertible
> 72 442 W30 convertible
> 86 Cutlass Supreme
>
> 68 Ford Fairlane 500 station wagon
> 75 Ford F100
> 82 Chevrolet Suburban
>
> JSPajak@rocketmail.com
>
> _____________________________________________________________________
> Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
John,

It's nice to meet someone with more vehicles than me.  I am about to
cull some of the newer stock and reload.

Don
Nicholasville, Ky

4 Cutlass's
1 Skylark
5 Lincolns
2 Thunderbirds
2 RX-7s
and a small riding mower

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Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 18:51:10 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage tip for HEI users

>
> I think I am running somewhere in the neighboorhood of 10 degrees
> initally, the motor starts immediatly with no hesitation. I know the
> jump in mileage seems a bit extreme, I was amazed but non the less its
> the truth.

I don't think for a minute that you weren't telling the truth.  I'm just
as curious as Dan because I'd like to duplicate it!  I have been playing
around with GM HEIs (High Energy Ignition for the one who asked), for
about 10 years.  So much depends upon the characteristics of the motor,
vehicle weight, axle ration, etc. that no one setup is exactly the same,
but the more info on all that stuff, the better.  If you're getting part
throttle ping, but are otherwise happy with the timing curve, you can
always go to an adjustable vacc. canister and fiddle with that until you
dial it out.  The general rule is to run as much intial advance as you
can, (without making starting impossible), and make full throttle runs
with various spring rates, (you can mix springs without hurting anything
and actually advance the curve in steps).  This should be done with no
vaccume advance hooked up at all.  Once your best performance is dialed
in with no pinging, then go ahead and hook up your adjustable canister.
Most of the ones I've used do not advance at all when turned fully
COUNTER clockwise.  Keep making runs after two clockwise turns until you
get pinging, then back off.  As you have already found out, it is
important to get the car up to operating temperature before you go
through all of this or your "perfect" settings soon go bye-bye.  Anyway,
thanks for filling us in on the other components... out to the
driveway...

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:42:56 -0400
From: rudy442@juno.com (James A Ruddell)
Subject: [none]

I haven't received any mail for a while.  Did I get booted? Is there some
other problem?


 68 442 Holiday Coupe
James A Ruddell Jr.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:53:44 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re:

No, Just not that many people on... sounds so quiete in here...

Adam

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:56:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Subject: re-subscribe

I wish to get the info to re-subscribe to the postings... finally got my cpu
up and a place to live!

Mark Heiser
mpheiser@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:02:19 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

> My Car Con. 1
> 1. Left turn signal  - Light Blue
> 2. Ground?           - Black
> 3. Backlighting      - Gray
> 4. Charge light      -  Black
> 5. Backlighting      - Gray
> 6. Ground            - Black
> 7. Fuel gauge??      - Pink    <-goes to a clip with a screw in it
> near                                  the fuel guage
> 8. Right Turn signal - Royal Blue
> 9. Fasten Belts      - Yellow
> 10. Brake light      - Beige w/white stripe
> 11. Temp  light      - Teal Green
> 12. Ground           - Pink w/Blak Stripe
> 13. OIL/CHOKE lite   - Light brown
> 14. Highbeam indic.  - Green
>
> Con. 2
> 1. Check engine
>
> Donor car Con. 1
> 1. Backlight         - Gray
> 2. Ground            - black
> 3. Fuel Guage ??     - Pink
> 4. Oil Guage         - light purple
> 5. Fasten belts      - Yellow
> 6. Brake             - Biege w/white stripe
> 7. temp guage        - green w/white stripe
> 8. oil/choke light   - Blue
> 9. charge light      - black
> 10. Ground/vlt gauge - Pink w blk stripe
> 11. Highbeam indic.  - green
> 12. Left turn sig    - Light blue
> 13.  Right tunr sig  - Blue
> 14. ??? Tach???      - white  <--goes to a clip w/screw in it at almost
> center of the tach.
>
> Con. 2
> 1. Check engine      - Yellow
> 2. empty
> 3. empty
> 4. \___ went to the temp light on the rally pack
> 5. /
> As you can see a lot of the same colors do the same functions, except
> for white. what the hell is white for.
>
>
White- is for the tach.  Comes from the "Tach" post from the HEI.
CAUTION!  Factory tachs come calibrated for a 4 cylinder.  On the back
of the tach circuit board, you will find "6" and "8" slots.  If your car
is a six, it should have a white "circuit shorting plug" in the "6"
socket.  If it is from an 8 cyl, then an orange plug is in the "8"
socket.  This color coded plug properly calibrates the tach for the
particular engine.  You can get them from GM.

Hope I was of some help.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:11:32 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Left to bring up the rear.....

Well, here we are, most of the others have packed up and gone to the
front and left us unfortunate ones here to fend for ourselves.  I do
believe, however, there is still enough talent left on the list while
others are gone to be able to handle most anything that comes up.  I
will, as always, try to help out when I can.  It's like when the boys go
off to war, some of us have to stay at the homefront to keep things in
order till they get back.  At least if we run into a real stumper, we
can always repost next week when the masses return.

With that said, I hope that everyone going to Lansing has a safe trip,
has a great time, and brings back many stories and experiences to
share.  I know I'll be wincing though, hearing about the good time I,
and many others here, have missed.  For those living in or near Lansing,
you get the best of both worlds.(Hint: Keep us informed!)

Here's to the homefront, and let's keep the list active, if possible.
We can still have a good time here!!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:30:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Don''t Give Up

To whoever is left on the list,

I just had given up all hope of documenting the 71 442 W30 Conv. I am working
on when I stumbled across the original build sheet with the magical option
call out of "W30"

I have been working on this car for about a year now.  I stripped the car to
the bare bones but never found the build sheet.  I have almost completed
restoration of all the components to the car and began tearing down the seats
when there it was,  behind the plastic back of the passenger side seat,
hogged ring onto the springs.  What a find tonight.  I think I'll go get a
good stiff drink to celebrate.

Thought I share this just in case someone was having the same problem, or
someone cares.

Steve Dietrich
  71 442 """""W30""""" Conv.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:08:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Who had the bucket seats for sale to begin with? and how Much?
Rick

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:29:09 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>

>>Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?

>Nope. Here it's just me and Adam trying to figure out his
>dashboard wiring problem. Everybody else seems to have left.

>Hey, whaddaya say we go look upstairs and see what they keep
>in their medicine cabinet?

Hey, I havent left yet.  I'm telling on you two when I get
there... :-)

Got the car loaded up on the trailer tonight.  Leaving at
some un-earthly hour tomorrow morning to beat the traffic
around Chicago (and get ahead of some pack of crazy Olds
drivers leaving from Tinley Park :-)

- -Jeff

1970 442 4-speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:32:48 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Rallye packs and people gone.

YO I am still here also

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom
Hickory NC

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:32:11 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top for '66 Cutlass

David,

 Consider J.C. Whitney.  They have Crown tops in all colors & the quality is
good also.  I have always bought the premium versions.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Help needed.  - - Color scheme for my Cutlass was midnight blue exterior,
bright
>blue interior and a light blue convertible top.  Does anyone know of any
vendors
>with a light blue top.  Year One has black, white and another color (not
blue).
>Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated.
>DJ in Utah
>'66 Cutlass Convert
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:09:49 -0300
From: orthsd-r@juno.com (David A Orth)
Subject: Re: Guagepack

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:24:11 -0500 Adam <x2badx@wwa.com> writes:
> If you have an SUGGESTIONS while I have
>the
>Dash off please tell me... I am going to put it on tomorrow morning
>and
>test it so please e-mail back tonight if possible...
>
>thanks a ton,
>Adam Andersen


Adam,

Sorry didn't get this to you sooner... The gauge package has a small
"jumper" on the backside nearest the tach the top position is for six
bangers and the bottom for eight.
I have had several '78 and up "Gutlasses", Cutlasses, and now a
Hurst/Olds, and they all have had tachs that don't zero when they don't
have power to them, but when you turn the key on they go to zero.
The tach will read high if that jumper isn't in the correct position,
also...

Hope the info helps!

Dave
'84 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:13:24 -0300
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Olds extravaganza

Hi all,

Does anyone know of any media coverage on the events in Lansing?  I
haven't seen anything on TV about anythings Olds-related, well except
for the Intrigue...

Let me know if anyone knows of any scheduled broadcasts.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:30:13 -0300
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> To whoever is left on the list,
>
> I just had given up all hope of documenting the 71 442 W30 Conv. I am working
> on when I stumbled across the original build sheet with the magical option
> call out of "W30"


Darned little build sheets. They show up in the strangest places.  My 69
H/O's was in the "usual" location under the back seat.  Even though I
didn't need the sheet with "W-46" to know it's a Hurst.

Documenting a W-30.  Your point?  What's to document?  You mean to tell
me that an "OW" (if auto) TH400 code with car's back half VIN (last 6)
and "H" heads, aluminum intake, reduced sound deadening, non-power disc
brakes, red inners and a VIN with an "M" in the middle is NOT a W-30?
Just kidding.  It's GREAT to find that little animal.  My 85 442's was
in the back seat also.  It has the famous "W42", but the VIN engine code
"9" also gives that away.

Good for you!  I'm happy you found it.  It always is a good feeling to
know it's a gennie.

My H/O is also genuine.  I didn't find my build sheet immediately.
Didn't have to.  From all the equipment on the car, and what I know
about the trans/axle codes, etc, I knew what it was.  I also have copies
of Demmer Engineering's receipts where back in 69 they show my car's VIN
as being received, and subsequently after Hurst mods, was shipped out
the next day!  Talk about verification!  Now THAT'S really cool also.

Anyway, I know how you feel.  Go belt a couple, and don't drink and
drive.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:46:00 -0300
From: orthsd-r@JUNO.COM (David A Orth)
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

This checking mail each night gets me WAAYY behind on postings.

I dug up my old "Haynes" manual.

Idiot lights:  color of wires from the printed circuit board

ColorLocation

pink Fuel Gage
tanOil/choke indicator
yellowsCheck engine light  (2 wires)
tan/whiteBrake indicator
Dark Bluewait light (diesel)
yellow/blackwater in fuel (diesel)
pink/blk is power from the fuse block

Instruments:  color of wires from printed circuit board

ColorLocation

pinkfuel gage
tanoil pressure sender
Dark grn/whitecoolant temp sender
Dark grn/yellowto ign switch AND changes color to Dark
Green which goes to AC temp cut-off switch
whitedistributor for tach
blackGround
the voltmeter gets power from the pink/blk wire
that comes from the fuse panel

Instrument panel lights get power from the gray wires.

I hope that helps this is all I could find.

Dave
Peyton CO
'84 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:39:23 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: parts wanted

chrsi burge wrote:
>
> Looking for a center console for a 1972 dual gate shifter
> also still looking for a 1966 tri power manifold, with or without
> carbs.
>
Chris,

Any auto center console for 70-72 will work with the dual gate.  If it
is a standard shifter arrangement, flip the console upside down, and
look for the breakaway perferations in the console plastic.  With these
removed, the Dual Gate will fit.  It is in my 1971 service manual.  I
can provide more info on exactly what the manual says if you want to try
this.  It's actually pretty easy.

Now, about the 3x2.  I'm still not sure if I really want to sell it, but
I tell you what.  Since you are still looking, I will give you first
dibs at $850 firm, (I told you before, that's as low as I can go).  If
you are still interested.  Of course, you may want to find a better
deal, so I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want it.  The intake is in
superb shape, though.  It doesn't have the center carb, or the fuel
lines, or the center carb small chrome air cleaner, but everything else
is there, even the long oil fill pipe for the block, and the bracket for
the fuel strainer/filter.  I won't stew on it  too long, but like I
said, I'm still not certain I want to part with it.  If I do, I will
send you an e-mail stating my intentions.  Sorry to put you through the
wringer on this, but like I said, I'm still not sure yet.  I promise
I'll let you know.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:54:27 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (LONG)

 Reading this post I can empathize with Daniel and really appreciate Chris'
response. Although I am 52 years old, I stopped being a fanatic about cars
in 1968, and settled down to a family and career. I also stopped learning
about cars but never forgot the love of great cars and the satisfaction of
doing my own work on them and sometimes improvements to them.
I've only been a member of the list for a few weeks and I'm very tentative
about posting and exposing my level of ignorance. At the same time, however,
I'm in awe of the knowledge level of a lot of the members and the
willingness to help of most. I can understand that occasionally someone has
a bad day and posts a slightly sarcastic response to a basic question. I
know I do this myself occasionally, in my own area of expertise. I can live
with this, because in general, there are an amazing number of helpfull good
people on this list whom I feel priviliged to know (even if remotely).
Don't give up Daniel, this is a great place to be.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 7:24 AM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (LONG)



>Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
>>
>> I would like to state my opinion in this matter...although, proving my
>> point, I think I will be criticized if I do.  I am relatively new to all
>> of this, being only 20 years old.  I joined this list because I thought
>> it could provide me with an unlimited wealth of knowledge on the given
>> subject, which has held true.  However, I did not join to be talked down
>> to or made fun of because I do not undertand some things.  I have had a
>
>Well whoever did this shouldn't have.  We all come from different life
>experiences and can't all be equally knowledgable of mechanics.  If we
>all
>had equal knowledge then we would all bore each other!
<snip>
>
>Thanks for all of you who weathered my rambling here.
>
>
>Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:53:05 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

 Paul,

If I follow this thread then I am a little Olds & don't worry if I get along
w/people or not.  Well, I am a lot Olds & I do worry.  My dog & the fish
don't like the cat.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>   Lloyd,
>
>
>  Are you living alone in an appartment with a cat and no TV?
>
>
>  Paul
>
> P.S. Just kidding.  I wouldn't want to start another row.
>
>
>Olds content:Eventually we all become olds.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:56:06 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

 Don,

I paid $1550 for it 10 years ago.  I need to at least get my money back.
Besides all us Olds folks don't remember back that far.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>Bill,
>
>You hurt my feelings about 4 months, two weeks, three days 6 hours and
>22 minutes ago.  However, if I can buy your 68 for $50, all will be
>forgiven.  (JUST KIDDING!)  I agree with you about the civility of the
>fine people on the list.  They seem to a great bunch of folks. Now about
>that 68.....
>
>Don
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:57:42 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 69 gauges

My Self wrote:
>
> Hi, my name is Gib Loudon....I own a 1969 olds cutlass Holiday coupe.  I
> really need a factory tach and or a rallye pack for that car.  If you
> have one or are able to get ahold of one please email me personally at
> cutlass@mill.tds.net.  Thanx alot!  See ya in Lansing.
>
I thought I saw one in Hemmings.  Jim, 1-913-341-1068.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:06:44 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Swapmeet URL

 Someone asked for the URL for the swapmeet page:
http://www.mm.com/swapmeet/


Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:34:05 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Guagepack

 Adam,

In adding a gauge set to a 1973 Olds, I found that the plug in was fine, but
that the colored wires were in different places (idiot lights in one order &
gauge pack in another).  If you use a paper clip to insert into the plug-in
where each wire is, the wire can be released from the clip.  Just make the
wiring harness in your car have the same color order as the wiring harness
in the gauge car.  I kept a piece of the wiring harness & plug-in from the
gauge car for a pattern.

The only other addition was the proper sending units for the temp & oil
pressure gauge.  When I got the gauges installed w/new sending units, it
worked perfectly.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>Dear Fellow Oldsmobilers,

    <snip>

I was wondering a few things,
>1.  Do you think the guages are dead????
>2.  I dont have instructions on how to do this!! the plugs in the back
>are the same as mine but it wasnt from an idendical car as mine.
>3. Is it compatibale??  MY car VINª 1G3GM47Y1FP354227
>                    Junk car's VINª 1G3AR47A9EM400039  <-  thats a V6!
>ARGH!!
 If you have an SUGGESTIONS while I have the
>Dash off please tell me... I am going to put it on tomorrow morning and
>test it so please e-mail back tonight if possible...
>
>thanks a ton,
>Adam Andersen
>

>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:26:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

In a message dated 97-08-19 16:17:07 EDT, you write:

<< I haven't done the math, but I expect (ASSuME) that the cost of changing
to
 15" wheels may be offset by the proliferation of good prices on these tire
 sizes. Would someone like to shed some light on that statement???
  >>
I have a set of SS3's? , not sure, they have 15x7JJ stamped in them,
 have been sandblasted and painted red to match the car but never put
on, still have the wire wheels on the car and would really like to do
16 or 17 inch.  Somebody wants them make me a "fair" offer, not looking
to give them away and not looking for some premium price either.
I also have some original GM replacement key blanks, a,b,c, and d's
if any body wants.  EMail me privately of course...TIM

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:21:32 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

> 14. ??? Tach???      - white  <--goes to a clip w/screw in it at almost
> center of the tach.
>
> Con. 2
> 1. Check engine      - Yellow
> 2. empty
> 3. empty
> 4. \___ went to the temp light on the rally pack
> 5. /
> As you can see a lot of the same colors do the same functions, except
> for white. what the hell is white for.
>
> I am going to swap out the water switch with a sender. And run the temp
> light to the guage.
>

> I am going to do the same with the oil, and run the oil/choke to the
> guage, BTW the oil sender is about twice as big as the switch and i dont
> think i am going to get it to fit without a pipe extension... its about
> 1.75 inches in dia and 2 inches tall.. the old one was 1 inch dia and 1
> inch tall...
>
> I am just going to run the charge light to the volt meter
>

Yup, white is the tach.  The primitive diagram in my Haynes manual
verifies that.  The tach wire hooks to the terminal marked TACH on the
distributor (actually the negative side of the coil, but the coil is in
the distributor on the HEI).  The problem is that there should already
be a wire there which goes to feed info to the car's computer.  The
diagram says this is a white wire that goes into terminal 12 on the
computer.  I'm not sure how it gets from this white wire at the computer
up to the dash.  I'd be reluctant to mess near the computer, and I'd
probably just run a second wire from the distributor for your white
wire.

You got the right oil pressure sender, that's what they look like.  If I
remember right they're attached to a short 45 degree (or 135 degree
depending upon how you look at it) extention from the factory.

Did you figure out which temp. sender is the one for the gauge and which
is for the computer input?  The computer input on my '84 are two wires,
black and yellow.  It's a "coaxial" type connector that you squeeze to
get off.  If you find this on your car, best let it be.  Mine was so
brittle with age and engine heat it disintigrated when I squoze
(squeezed?) it.  GM wanted $22 for a new one, ouch!

I'm not convinced about that charge light to the voltmeter, but it's
probably right.  When I think about it the voltmeter only needs +12 and
ground so I really doubt you hook anything to it that could hurt it if
you tried.

Sounds like you're in for a fun time of moving wires around.  There does
exist somewhere a special tool for taking those out.  If you have that
many to do it might be worth trying to find it, but I have no idea where
to start looking.

When you finally do get it working, please document your original and
new wiring sequences (and anything else you did) so that we can put it
into the FAQ!

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 19:24:40 -0300
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

 That is great to hear.  Were you actually worried that it wasn't a real
one?  I guess that I never sell one of my cars, & so don't pay that much
attention to this type thing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>To whoever is left on the list,
>
>I just had given up all hope of documenting the 71 442 W30 Conv. I am
working
>on when I stumbled across the original build sheet with the magical option
>call out of "W30"

>
>Thought I share this just in case someone was having the same problem, or
>someone cares.
>
>Steve Dietrich
>  71 442 """""W30""""" Conv.
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:29:20 -0500
From: Adam <xadirc@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

Thanks for the HELP!!  The only problem that NOBODY told me about was
that I need to run a tach wire... I DONT HAVE a HEI, just normal points
i think... i will look tomorrow for a connector that says tach some
where... If you know where it is lemme know...  THIS THREAD IS ALMOST
DEAD... i seiously hope

Adam Andersen
85 Cutlass Supreme 307
83 98  307
76 98  455
72 Delta88 conv. 350

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:33:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

In a message dated 97-08-19 20:05:19 EDT, you write:

<< I am wondering does anyone know how many people are currently subscribed
 to this
 list?  Just curious.
  >>
Hey Chris I suppose theres a simple way to find out how many
are subscribed...........I even start it off........I'm .."one".......TIM...
 ;-)

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:42:36 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: 67 Cutlass

Whoops - sorry.  Your right.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 20:41:45 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: People gone.

As much as I'd like it to have been otherwise - I am indeed still here.
Sigh.  Having just acquired Oldsmobile ª4 and having heard the "we look
like a junkyard" saga (in part due to Olds ª5 the VC I'm parting out & the
sickly new Toro on jackstands) I cannot picture coming home with more - for
awhile at least :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:53:12 -0500
From: Adam <xadirc@megsinet.net>
Subject: GUAGEDONE

YES!  I have a precison screwdriver kit and i figured out how to get
the  leads out very easily!  Unfortunately I dont have the 45/135 degree
bend for my oil sending unit, i dont know where to find that thing.. I
am going to look for the tach hook-up tomorrow and switch the wires
around it looks that it might just all come together and work... better
not jinx myself...  so far i have spent
$20  for the guages
$42  for the sending units
$10  to go and cut the clips of the donor car...


Ahh, one other thing, I pulled the white tag thing from the tach set
option on the side of the guages by the tach, it was made so it could
only go into the 6 side, So? I cut the little tabs off and made it so it
fit into the 8 side... like hell im gonna go buy a .05 oz piece of
plastic....

OH BTW!!!  I AM NUMBER 4, i figured that many people have counted
themselves on the list now... :)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:43:02 -0300
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

Adam wrote:
>
> Thanks for the HELP!!  The only problem that NOBODY told me about was
> that I need to run a tach wire... I DONT HAVE a HEI, just normal points
> i think... i will look tomorrow for a connector that says tach some
> where... If you know where it is lemme know...  THIS THREAD IS ALMOST
> DEAD... i seiously hope

If you don't have an HEI with a "tach" hookup, then you can run the wire
straight off the (-) side of the coil.  The engine in your 85 must be
running without the computer then, if you DON't have an HEI.  Those
models have the computer control the advance, and the HEI for 85 Y and 9
cars have no vacuum canister.  Either that, or some serious electrical
monkeying was performed.....

Mike Rothe

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:04:01 -0500
From: Adam <xadirc@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

Uhh.. actually there was no monkeying with the computer... i was just...
ahh.. not very bright...  Your right, its an engine code Y, so i guess
it has HEI.... oh, i cant wait untill this is done...
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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:14:41 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> To whoever is left on the list,
>
> I just had given up all hope of documenting the 71 442 W30 Conv. I am working
> on when I stumbled across the original build sheet with the magical option
> call out of "W30"
>
> I have been working on this car for about a year now.  I stripped the car to
> the bare bones but never found the build sheet.  I have almost completed
> restoration of all the components to the car and began tearing down the seats
> when there it was,  behind the plastic back of the passenger side seat,
> hogged ring onto the springs.  What a find tonight.  I think I'll go get a
> good stiff drink to celebrate.
>
> Thought I share this just in case someone was having the same problem, or
> someone cares.
>
> Steve Dietrich
>   71 442 """""W30""""" Conv.
Congratulations.  I hope when I get to work on my Cutlass's and 442 the
build sheet magically appears.  The 442 is a 72 Hurst hdtp, but the
other two are 350 4bbl conv.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:18:27 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Knock Knock Whos There?

I'm ª 5
Walter Jones

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:21:23 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: California shows

  Am I just
>uninformed here?

No, if I recall right - you thought Riverside was too far to drive.  Julian
is even farther.  I guess it all comes down to having to travel to
participate around here - most of our members are in the Ventura locale &
go all over for our shows.

Again - We'd gladly welcome you - Come on Down!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 21:15:10 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Responses to various postings

Don't I know it - sigh - oh well, maybe we can buy a video of it all & cry
in private.

Tell me your paint stories - I'm getting close(r) to painting my '66 Toro.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:17:13 -0400
From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

No kidding, wow thats something strange. I'm in Louisville. I go to
Nicholasville with my dad now and then to have his Corvette worked at
Jerry's.
Cool, See ya around.

Pat

Don Sowers wrote:

> Pat McDermott wrote:
> >
> > So where are you ?
> >
> > Don Sowers wrote:
> >
> > > Hello to all not in or heading to Lansing,
> > >
> > > A lot of times I see people on the list who do not put the general
>
> > > area
> > > they are located on their e-mail.  I know a lot of people do, but
> a
> > > lot
> > > don't.  It is really interesting to know where other people are
> from
> > > and
> > > helps to understand some of the comments made.  If you're not
> hiding
> > > from the mob, IRS (this one I could help you with-no I DON'T work
> for
> > > IRS), or an ex-wife/husband, a general area (i.e., Lexington, Ky
> or
> > > Central Ky.) would be appreciated by a lot of people.  It is
> really
> > > interesting to learn about other areas and people.  I have to
> agree
> > > with
> > > others that this group of people is quite diverse and
> interesting.  I
> > > know a lot of people have been more than helpful to me.  If any of
> you
> > >
> > > are in the central Kentucky are, let me know and we will meet,
> shake
> > > hands and swap car lies.  Thank you for your time and attention.
> > >
> > > Don Sowers
> Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:37:23 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelpalmostdone

Adam wrote:
>
> Uhh.. actually there was no monkeying with the computer... i was just...
> ahh.. not very bright...  Your right, its an engine code Y, so i guess
> it has HEI.... oh, i cant wait untill this is done...
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Adam,

Been following your trials with the conversion to guages originally
thinking I would try to put them in my 69, 70 and 72 Olds'.  After
watching all the hair falling out of the computer and watching you
scaling the walls, I think I've changed my mind.  Good luck with the
results.  I wonder if they still make those BIIIIIIIIIIG Sun tachs
anymore............

By the way I think I am probably number 44 by now.

Don

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:42:40 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

Pat McDermott wrote:
>
> No kidding, wow thats something strange. I'm in Louisville. I go to
> Nicholasville with my dad now and then to have his Corvette worked at
> Jerry's.
> Cool, See ya around.
>
> Pat
>
> Don Sowers wrote:
>
> > Pat McDermott wrote:
> > >
> > > So where are you ?
> > >
> > > Don Sowers wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello to all not in or heading to Lansing,
> > > >
> > > > A lot of times I see people on the list who do not put the general
> >
> > > > area
> > > > they are located on their e-mail.  I know a lot of people do, but
> > a
> > > > lot
> > > > don't.  It is really interesting to know where other people are
> > from
> > > > and
> > > > helps to understand some of the comments made.  If you're not
> > hiding
> > > > from the mob, IRS (this one I could help you with-no I DON'T work
> > for
> > > > IRS), or an ex-wife/husband, a general area (i.e., Lexington, Ky
> > or
> > > > Central Ky.) would be appreciated by a lot of people.  It is
> > really
> > > > interesting to learn about other areas and people.  I have to
> > agree
> > > > with
> > > > others that this group of people is quite diverse and
> > interesting.  I
> > > > know a lot of people have been more than helpful to me.  If any of
> > you
> > > >
> > > > are in the central Kentucky are, let me know and we will meet,
> > shake
> > > > hands and swap car lies.  Thank you for your time and attention.
> > > >
> > > > Don Sowers
> > Nicholasville, Ky

Pat,

I usually get down to Derby town a couple times a year.  I usually go to
the mobile home show in Freedom Hall about the middle of January every
year as I have a dealership that I do the accounting work for.  Y'all
(nice southern term) get down this way, drop me a line or call or send
smoke signals and we'll grab a pizza or something and lie to each other.

Don

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 00:58:11 -0400
From: Brian Kennedy <kennedyb@primenet.com>
Subject: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

I am runnig a MSD-6AL in my 85 Cutlass outfitted with a 455 that has all
the "bells and whistles" from Mondello and Summit.  The CR is about
9.7:1 & I have Accel U-groove plugs gapped at .055.  My Ignition coil is
a Accel super coil.  I have mech advance and vacuum advance.  My
question:
What is a good idle timing degree mark?
What should it be at 1000 RPM?
What should the total timing figure be?
Anyone who is running the MSD-6A/6AL and has a similar configuration or
experience on this type of setup..please lend a hand.
Thanks in advance,
Brian Kennedy
Yuma, AZ

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 22:22:01 -0700
From: "Greg" <greg@eskimo.com>
Subject: 84 Hurst Olds

Looking for the value of a 84 Hurst Olds, 2dr, coupe, t-tops.
Silver/Black.

Great car,

Thanks

- --
greg@eskimo.com
http://www.eskimo.com/~greg

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:28:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Where are you?

I am located in Rockton, IL , thats about the last town in Illinois before
you get to Wisconsin. Just off highway 39 about half way between Iowa &
Indiana. Were about one hour from Chiacago,Milwaukee, or Madison. I have a
66-442, 67 C/S convertible, 70-442, 77 pace car replica, 86 C/S, & a 97
Silhouette. Iam trying to buy a 75 H/O.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 23:29:12 -0600
From: David Jenkins <David@vinca.com>
Subject: Cleaning Mag Wheels

Need any tips available for cleaning my slotted mags for '66 Cutlass convert.
These mags have no nicks but have a residue build up.  These are Keystones from
the early '70's.  They would look great if I can get the original lustre back 
to
the wheels.  - - Any ideas?
Dave Jenkins
Orem, Utah
'66 Cutlass Convert


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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:09:59 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

On the Temp sender, when Pontiac started adding sensors for the
emissions in the late 70's and 80's they cast two extra water temp
sensor locations in the cylinder head.  I am not familliar with Olds
that much yet, but should be by this weekend.  Going to swap a 350 in
place of my ailing 307.

I will look on it when I have it out.  By the time Pontiac was done
there were 7 temp sensor possibilities.  3 intake, 4 in the cyl heads.

Look for pipe plugs.  Take a trip to the dealer and see exactly how Olds
set the 442 up.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme

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