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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 16 1997      Volume 01 : Number 803



Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Re: reflections - (kinda long)
unsubscribe
Re: North/South
Re: Crane cams
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª802
Where'd this AC bracket go?
Re: Where'd this AC bracket go?
cruise control servo needed
Hurst Dual Gate Shifter
71 cutlass-sx
Re: Crane cams
Lansing Weather
Q-jets
Woodward Dream Cruise Update!
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
Re: "F" Stamping
83 HURST/OLDS VALUE
1958 & 1956 olds for sale or trade
Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter
Disappointed with Members
Re: how to build [brakes]
Re: how to build [brakes]
Re: how to build [brakes]
Re: Who did this to my post..
Sheetmetal suppliers?
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Sheetmetal suppliers?
Lansing Weather (fwd)
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Lansing of Bust
Re: Lansing Weather (fwd)
Re: 71 cutlass-sx
Re: Who did this to my post..
Re: 1970 442 W-30
Re: 71 cutlass-sx
Locating a 1969 Olds 4-4-2
70's D88 1=>2 xst
Re: Disappointed with Members
RE: Disappointed with Members
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter
Re: Disappointed with Members
1949 Oldsmobile Search
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
Re: 83 HURST/OLDS VALUE
Woodward Avenue
Re: Disappointed with Members

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:30:38 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

My brother in law (ª1)is into "repairables" , (vehicles totaled, but are
repairable), and both my other brother in law(ª2) and I have purchased
vehicles from bro in law ª1and have had no probs with either vehicle. The
way I understand how it works(at least in MN) is that the vehicle is
repaired and then must be inspected. Once passed, the title then is
marked as a salvage title. I'm not sure how this will affect my resale,
but the cars are just fine. Also, these cars are purchased at auction for
a fraction of the value of the car. Repairs usually fall within $5K or
less, depending on the damage. In the long run, I purchased a $14K car
for $10.5K. Not too bad of a deal, if you can deal with the word
"Salvage" on your title. BTW, the shop doesn't have to be certified, only
the inspector (again, at least in MN). It does help to have good quality
work done, though.
     The stuff from the 84 cutlass should fit your 85, but there will be
some differences, but all in all, everything should bolt right up.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:04:47 -0700 markops@Traveller.COM writes:
>markops@Traveller.COM wrote:
>>
>> Hey, Im new to your Olds list and I have a couple of questions
>regarding
>> body panels on an 85 Olds Cutlass Salon 442. My question is whether
>> the entire front clip assembly, front fenders and hood off of an 84
>> standard cutlass or off an 85 standard cutlass are interchangeable
>with
>> the 85 442. Ive found a couple of parts cars but I havent made any
>> measurements. Does anybody know whether these body panel swaps are
>> possible? The reason Im asking is that up until 2 weeks ago I had a
>> cherry 85 442 that I wrecked (no fault of my own) and the insurance
>> company considers it a 'total'.
>
>Hey olds list,
>Just wanted to first of all thank everyone who responded and supported
>me  in dealing with the insurance slime after my wreck. I got some
>very
>helpful feedback. Wanted to let you know that after almost a whole 2
>weeks of bickering with the other guys insurance company, they came
>back
>with offers a total of 4 times with the first offer at $2400. Ended up
>settling the property claim (85 Olds Salon 442) at $4600 and got to
>keep
>the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse than it really is).
>Through this agreement with the insurance company, I have to give up
>my
>title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a "salvage title".
>Im
>wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a cleared title after
>a
>qaualified shop done the repairs and got it recertified - after an
>incident.
>
>Pete M. (85 Olds 442 / 71 malibu )
>

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:59:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

Hi Greg,

> made up to '96 is the same from '77 up -- and found an ex-RCMP car in a
> junkyard with a front bar that looked to be about 1 3/8" in diameter. I

I just checked some saved information and it seems that the largest
diameter front bar offered for '77-'96 RWD B/C/D cars is 30mm. Apparently,
a '70-'81 F-car front stabilizer will fit, and is 32mm in diameter
(ª356534).  When I set out to add F41 stabilizers, I discovered that most
(if not all) Cadillacs already had the 30mm front bar, so these are
another potential source.  BTW, is your front bar 28mm in diameter?

> It seems that they made different diameters too. F-41 Ch*vys seem to have
> the biggest, while Cadillacs have a rear bar that looks to be a piece of
> spaghetti. I saw an early-80s 98 with one that seemed in between.

I know what you're saying about the ~12mm noodle! :)   This mild
version is there to offset the anti-stabilizer effects of rear air
adjustable shocks which share a common air supply.  My '83 Delta 88 with
the towing package has a slightly thicker bar; Olds was more conservative
with their ride and handling package than Ch*v with the F41.

If you wish to go beyond what the factory had to offer, Hotchkiss sells a
1.438" front (0.938" ID) and 1.25" rear bar combination that is
about 1.8 and 2.44 times stiffer respectively than stock.  Note
that this would reduce some of the understeer still present in the F41
setup.  The most radical combination is sold by Herb Adams, and consists
of a solid 1-5/16" front and 1.5" (!) rear stabilizers.  This translates
to the front also being about 1.8 times stiffer than the 30mm stock front
bar, but the rear is over 5 (!) times stiffer than the 26mm stock bar.
Experienced Imp*la SS owners claim that this setup is still just shy of
neutral, but I hate to imagine how this would perform on wet or snow
covered roads!

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:47:23 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: reflections - (kinda long)

 RC,

We are lucky, but so can the people on the porch.  We need to share our
fortune a little more.  Let everyone enjoy the thrill of that exhaust note,
if you have a performance version of the Olds, or the quiet, elegant grace
of the other models.  Give everyone a chance to see & admire the beauty of a
time that seems never to return.

The elderly can say that they remember cars like yours vividly.  The adults
can speak of seeing them when they were young.  The young can  create a
memory that never would be without you.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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>mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>>
>> Just thought I'd share when I "stopped & smelled the roses" the other
>> day.
>>
>> How lucky people like us Olds lovers are!  It really "hit me" when I
>> was riding around last Sunday.  No particular place to go, but who
>> cares?  The suns out, tops down, gas tanks full, gauges look good and
>> I'm in my Olds driving!
>>
>> I went by some low-income apartments and this guy was sitting on one of
>> those folding picnic tables, (like you see at car shows).  On the table
>> were three beer bottles and an old, one speaker radio.  Don't know why,
>> but that "picture" really made me think how lucky and happy I really
>> am.  Here sits this guy, who doesn't even have a yard, and I go
>> cruising by in my shinny "toy car".  There were about eight people
>> total in front of those apartments, and every head turned as I went by!
>>
>>
>> RC Hellbuyck
>> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:18:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: RDLemieux@aol.com
Subject: unsubscribe

Unsubscribe RDLemieux@AOL.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:19:01 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: North/South

 If yoiu Yankees want to sweep & clean up in our stadium, you're welcome
anytime.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





i guess u didnt like the fact the yankees SWEEPING the braves last
year!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:48:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crane cams

Crane cams has been around for a long time and they make a fine product.
As far as Oldsmobile cams from Crane, or from anybody for that matter, use
a dual pattern cam that favors the exhaust side.  Oldsmobile engines respond
favorably to increased duration and lift on the exhaust side.  Most of the
hydraulic
grinds from Mondello are dual pattern.  Also be careful of lift if you're
reusing the
stock rockers.  I'm running a Mondello (Engle) cam kit, ( cam, lifters,
springs, locks and retainers ) and a Competition Cams Magnum roller rocker
setup.
The rockers are investment cast, roller tipped and are good for .550" lift.
The kit from Comp Cams is about $300 and contains, rockers, studs, locknuts,
guideplates and pushrods and is available under part ª 1442-KIT.
Hope you find the info helpful.

Mark Berube
67' 442

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:53:24 -0400
From: "Robert E. Karaffa, II" <rkaraff@emory.edu>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª802

Hello all,
I am new to the list.  My uncle was kind enough to give me a great deal
on a 1969 98 Convertible in great overall condition, except for the
interior, which needs trim pieces such as door panels, armrests, vanity
lights, and etc.  I have been searching the Web lately and come up with
very little in the way of info.  Hemmings is on my list, but I do enjoy
reading this mailing list, so I would like to ask the readers if they
can provide any direction for us in our restoration endeavors (yeah, and
help us find stuff, too!)  Any help is appreciated greatly.  Peace.
- -Bob K.
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:11:43 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Where'd this AC bracket go?

I've almost completely re-installed my air conditioner on the Vista Cruiser
(BTW, it works!) exept for one bracket that I can't remember how to
re-install.  It's basically a flat legnth of 3/16" thick steel, about 15
inches long.  It has one bolt hole at one end and two or three at the other.
It's a compressor bracket but I don't remember where it goes.  I was hoping
someone could jog my memory.  The compressor seems to be getting along fine
without it, but I'd feel better if I had all the brackets in place.

Thanks,

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme


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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 09:30:50 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Where'd this AC bracket go?

Greg
I think the bracket you are talking about goes from a special head bolt
that has threads as well as the hex on top. If your engine didnt have ac
you might not have this bolt or it may be in the wrong hole. I dont
remember where on the AC it went but it should be pretty obvious once you
get the head bolt end on.
Walter

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:22:09 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: cruise control servo needed

I need a cruise control vacuum servo, mounting bracket, carb linkage
rod, and if available the bolts and any other little part(s) needed to
get the cruise working.

1971, 4-4-2, 455 4/bl, with a/c

The "transducer" is there along with everything else.  I only need the
parts that are between the carb and the vacuum servo.

There are two servo styles I've seen.  A rubber "ribbed, or bellows
sided" style and a slightly larger, (in dia.), and narrower, "smooth"
style.  According to the 71 service manual, I need the "ribbed bellows"
style.

Any help finding one is appreciated.

See you in Lansing, only one more week!  The countdown begins.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:04:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter

I'm looking for some information on the Hurst dual gate shifter in a 1970 442
W-30.
Please Help,
                 Jamie

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:06:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: 71 cutlass-sx

does anyone happen to know production figures on 71-sx, looking at one,and
wondered about there value.  car is bench seat item, it`s complete but has
been sitting for ten years. car is a ª 5 condition .  please reply .  steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:19:33 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Crane cams

Ira wrote:
>
> Does anybody have anything to say, good or bad, about crane cams in
> oldsmobiles?

I'm running a Crane 260/272 cam in my olds 350 with their variable bleeddown
lifters.  made a definite improvement over stock, although this cam has more
timing/lift than edelbrock's performer grind, it is still very mild.  I got it
from summit and when they heard my car had a stock 350 with 8.5:1 compression
and 2.56 gears (yuck) they recommended the 260/272.  How I have 9.5:1
compression, 3.08gears (3.73 sucked on the highway), and a bunch of
modifications, the cam is too mild- I would go for their 272 grind if I did it
again.

Of course Mondello says I'm missing out on horsepower because I'm not using one
of HIS cams- but I don't know if he just wanted to sell another cam or not.

- -greg

Just as a note: when I build my killer 455 next summer, I'll go with a mondello
cam (possibly a roller).

Also, I learned from several technical people that Oldsmobiles like dual 
pattern
cams better than single pattern cams (which rule out competition cams) that's
why my cam has 260 degress on intake, and 272 on exaust.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:36:56 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Lansing Weather

All...

I asked Penny Casteele if she knew the long-range weather forecast for
Lansing...

> Hot, muggy, and rain this weekend.  Cooler Monday and Tuesday. Highs in the
> mid-seventies. Have a safe trip. See ya then. pj

We may get lucky!

I be leaving tomorrow am (Sunday), of course the hottest day of the year...

See yas out there, I hope...

Doug

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:53:32 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Q-jets

Ladies and Gentleman,
In response to the Q-JET questions, I took me data from  a 25
year old Rochester/Doug Roe hand book. The charts all stated advertized CFM
ratings and made no mention of years. I'm sorry if I misled anyone.

The General

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:29:10 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Woodward Dream Cruise Update!

WOW!  Cruised the Woodward strip last night what fun!

For anyone unaware of this event...It's something you must attend!
"Woodward Ave" is an 8 lane divided main drag that spans from Pontiac
to downtown Detroit.  The main cruise route is about 30 miles total!
Approx. 15 miles Northbound & 15 miles Southbound!  This has been "the
place to be", to drag, party, raise some hell & have fun for years.
Particularly in it's heyday during the 1950s and 60s.

Some of you southern folk, (in MI, anyone south of OHIO is considered a
Southerner. {Oh boy, that comment should spark some feedback}, may have
heard of Gratiot Ave.  Gratiot is another main drag, but not looked
upon as fondly as Woodward.  One reason, is because Woodward is located
as a mid point between the "East side" & the "West side", (suburbs).
Kind of an imaginary boundary or "no-mans land".

Something to think about, (participating in), next year for sure!  This
is only the 3rd annual, but the event attracts people nation wide.
Can't remember the figures, but somewhere well over 500,000 spectators.

The wife and I started cruising about 7:30.  Forecast said rain, but I
went for it anyway.  It started to get stuffy inside the car and the
sky looked ok, so I pulled over to the side to put the top down.
People swarmed on us like we were handing out candy.  (I love when this
happens)  I felt my head enlarge a little from all the compliments.
These people love cars!  Now I know how I looked before I got my car.

Sorry to get side tracked, anyway it was 75 degrees, clear sky with
swiftly moving white cloud patches.  Excellent!  Since there aren't
many Olds "A" bodies around my area, I'm always looking for some new
friends.  Seen the most I've ever seen since the Lansing Olds
"Homecoming" Show.

1972 Cutlass "S"  red paint, blk vinyl top, blk interior

1970 Cutlass Creme paint, brown vinyl top, blk interior

1972 4-4-2 / W-30 covt.  red paint, blk/white interior

1968 4-4-2 covt.  dark blue paint, ?interior?  (I love this year)

1969 Cutlass cont.

1965 4-4-2 covt. Light creme paint, same color interior.  WOW!

1967 (I think)  Delta 88 covt.

1971 4-4-2 W-30  Saturn Gold (my color!) can't remember interior color

1971 4-4-2 W-30  Jade green, couldn't see interior color

1972 Cutlass Supreme  Viking blue, white interior

1972 Cutlass Supreme "Coupe"  Custom Reddish paint, a younger kids
 hotrod, but it was nice!

1970 Cutlass Supreme covt.  white paint, light blue interior

1972 Hurst Olds VERY NICE!

1984 Hurst Olds w/t-tops  (possibly my next car!)

1983 Hurst Olds complete, but with cancer spots :(

1970 Rally 350 (or 350 Rally)  yellow, blk interior.

Plus various other 1978 - present Cutlass'.  Sorry guys, but I see alot
of these daily and never seen to pay attention as much.

Holy Cow! it's 11:30, gotta go!  I'll follow up with today's events
later!  The sun's out!


P.S.  I'm certainly no Olds expert, and I only know color names for
1971 & 1972 Cutlass'.  Please excuse any *technicality wrong*
descriptions or terminology.  For amusement only!  :)  Bye.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:03:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

It is about Four city blocks from olds park to the capitol.

Any Other Lansing questions I can probably answer about streets and distances
anyway.  I'm headed downtown for a car show right now I'm sure there will be
some nice Olds.

Take care
Doug H

> > Probably so. That's disappointing though. It just won't be as
impressive
> having them scattered all over the place. Guess the shuttles will get a
> workout. Anyone know the walking distances from, say, Oldsmobile Park to
> the State Capitol?
>
> Anyone know the location of the swap meet? I see no mention anywhere...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:06:22 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street

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> From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
> Date: Saturday, August 16, 1997 1:03 AM
>
> AND WHERE EXACTLY DID THOSE DISC BRAKES COME FROM, I HAVE 2 67
> A-BODIES...........

The phrase "12 inch disk brakes" was meant to mean "do not upgarde your
motor to that strength w/o upgarding your brakes.

I have 11" front disks on my 67 C/S that were swapped from
a F-body. The 12" setup can be obtained from mid eighties big cars. I
forget
the details, but if I find the article will pass it on.


The General

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:10:11 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: "F" Stamping

xsd

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> From: WMACHINES@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: "F" Stamping
> Date: Monday, August 04, 1997 3:54 PM
>
> In a message dated 97-08-02 11:43:42 EDT, you write:
>
> << Hi
>
>  Have a question about the F code on the rear of the 455 engines
>  In FAQ its mentioned that F5 and F6 have higher nickel content
>  In a mondello article I read he mentioned that the lower F0 F00 F1 and
so
>  on up
>  to F4 were the better block to use for performance
>  As I remember the F10 were the worst blocks incapable of being bored out
>  more then 0.45 over because
>  of thin water jackets
>  I personally have been stocking up on F1 and F2 blocks for my own use
for
>  years now
>  and just would like some clarification to this
>  By what I was told that the only place you may find a F0 block is a 68
Toro
>  or a 68 Hurst
>  Won't these motors have gotten the better Block Castings?
>
>   >>
> You are right Bob, the F0 to F1 blocks are the highest nickel content and
> thickest
> walls for the water Jackets.  I have a 68 Toro block with the F0 code on
it.
>
> w machines

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:19:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 83 HURST/OLDS VALUE

ATTN FELLOW OLDS FANS, HAVE AN OPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE 83 HURST
OLDS 15TH ANNIV. EDITION. LOADED W/T-TOPS,WING ETC. BODY MOSTLY STRAIGHT,
NOSE NEEDS PAINT, HAS CORRECT RIMS, INT IN DECENT SHAPE
W/CORRECT 3-STICK SHIFTER,    ANY HELP APPRECIATED, YOU CAN POST OR E-MAIL ME
DIRECTLY AT RCKTPWR@AOL.COM          THANX!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:23:13 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: 1958 & 1956 olds for sale or trade

From my web site:
Reply privately, he's not on the list
================================================
Subject: 1958 & 1956 olds for sale or trade
  Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 07:38:45 -0700
  From: "john k. mcmillan"
<"JonMac@localaccess.com"@www.localaccess.com>
    To: brad442@erols.com

1958 2d super 88 and 1956 4d for sale or trade for newer small car or
truck. I also have access to all sorts of 1956 olds parts.  these cars
are not rust buckets will explain condition to any resonalbe offer made.

thanks   john
==========================================
- --

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:44:59 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter

Klinsmann7@aol.com wrote:
>
> I'm looking for some information on the Hurst dual gate shifter in a 1970 442
> W-30.
> Please Help,
>                  Jamie

What do you mean by information?  How it works? what it looks like? where to 
get
one?

greg

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:42:00 -0400
From: Lindsey <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Disappointed with Members

>I have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible with factory air parts car.
>It has a 350 2bbl with automatic transmission. (Looks to be the original
>motor) Have no idea if it will or could run. Does not have the interior
>panels or console. Does have decent frame, good dash, good bucket seats and
>rear seat (brown in color), side tinted glass (windshield is cracked),
>still has convertible top pumps and motor (not sure of their condition),
>gauges, etc. $500 and you pick it up. I will wait a month and then send to
>junk yard as I can't leave where it is any longer than that. I live in
>Thomaston Maine approximately 1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up the coast.
>Please email me with questions. Would trade this car for a ram air hood
>with the hold down pins that was in excellent condition.  -Al Barlow
>
>[[ So, the engine may be junk... no interior... top pump & such may be
>junk... What's left? "Decent" frame, from the rustbound NE? Ahem. Buckets?
>Glass, seats. $500 sounds a bit steep to me, unless you can turn the motor,
>verify that it's at least not frozen up. Even then, what's to guarantee
against
>cracks, spun bearing, etc.?
>
>  Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
>then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
>even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
>a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?
>How about selling the parts by the pound, like they pay for scrap metal?
>I get about 2-2.5 *cents* per pound here for misc. steel. 35-40c/ª for
>aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
>the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000
hood,
>no problem, eh? allrighty then.
>
>  'Course, folks like that provide me with plenty o' fodder down at
>Padnos, I guess! Hey, let's have the Olds email meeting at Padnos! Shoot,
>they close at 4:45 pm... never mind! ]]
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
>To all members,

Note above what I placed on this email list and the response from Chris B.
Witt. I thought all the members in this particular club were pretty decent
people, I guess I was wrong. I don't feel I deserved this type of degrading
and derogatory comments.

Disappointed
Al Barlow
Maine
1971 Olds 442 Convertible

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:46:57 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: how to build [brakes]

Patton wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
> > Date: Saturday, August 16, 1997 1:03 AM
> >
> > AND WHERE EXACTLY DID THOSE DISC BRAKES COME FROM, I HAVE 2 67
> > A-BODIES...........
>
> The phrase "12 inch disk brakes" was meant to mean "do not upgarde your
> motor to that strength w/o upgarding your brakes.
>
>                 I have 11" front disks on my 67 C/S that were swapped from
> a F-body. The 12" setup can be obtained from mid eighties big cars. I
> forget
> the details, but if I find the article will pass it on.
>
>                         The General

I already have the stock front discs/rear drum- but plan on getting Baer 
racings
13" front/12" rear setup when I obtain a set of american racing torq-thrust D's
in 16x8 to clear them.

- -greg

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:51:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: how to build [brakes]

THANX, LOOK 4WARD 2 THAT.......

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 13:02:03 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: how to build [brakes]

> I already have the stock front discs/rear drum- but plan on getting Baer
racings 13" front/12" rear setup
> when I obtain a set of american racing torq-thrust D's in 16x8 to clear
them.
>
> -greg

Fellow Rocketteers,
After seeing first hand the fatal results of a 455 in a 66' (car)
with the single master cylinder and drum-drum setup, I can not stress more
that bigger is better also applies to brakes. This disk-disk setup will
most likely
cost less than a new transmission (as a reference) and far less than the
afore
mentioned tragedy.

The General

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 12:33:34 -0700
From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Subject: Re: Who did this to my post..

> Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> >
> >  Who did this to my post?  The first sentence should read:
> > "You probably know that much of the convertible frame is boxed".
> > I am getting tired of this cheap computer making these mistakes.  I have 
had
> > to throw away many pens that have gotten to misspelling & other
> > idiosyncrasies.  This computer is next.

Wow! They've had me flying a desk in this maintenance dept five years
now-all I do is write write write...order order order..misspell,
misspell, misspell...

Anybody on the list know how to use a spell checker, real time, with
Netscape Message Composition?

Want to be sure I spell Oldzmobile etc correctly.

Kevin O'Brien
78-98

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:06:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Sheetmetal suppliers?

Does anybody have the contact info for sheetmetal suppliers? Floorpans,
specifically, for a '66 Cutlass.

Any pointers appreciated... phone numbers, name of company, etc.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:07:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Panman638@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

I agree with you. If I have nothinf to contribute I don't say anything. I do
not understand why some have to act in such a way. I bet  they are the first
ones to get angry if they are spoken too that way. Just shows how childish
they really are. I bet they drive Fords.
Jim Moore

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:19:56 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Sheetmetal suppliers?

   Does anybody have the contact info for sheetmetal suppliers? Floorpans,
> specifically, for a '66 Cutlass.
>
> Any pointers appreciated... phone numbers, name of company, etc.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
>
brycemans page has a list of suppliers. I tried an aftermarket 1/4 panel
patch and it was pretty bad. I ended up getting a used (pretty nice) 1/4
cut from
Arizona. No seams to feather out and to warping.

The Genaral

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:32:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing Weather (fwd)

Another report from Doug Kitchener...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:36:56 -0400
From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
Subject: Lansing Weather

All...

I asked Penny Casteele if she knew the long-range weather forecast for
Lansing...

> Hot, muggy, and rain this weekend.  Cooler Monday and Tuesday. Highs in the
> mid-seventies. Have a safe trip. See ya then. pj

We may get lucky!

I be leaving tomorrow am (Sunday), of course the hottest day of the year...

See yas out there, I hope...

Doug

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:30:59 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Anyone know the location of the swap meet? I see no mention anywhere...

> > another lot at the corner of Saginaw & Grand (and the
> > flea market in the pink area between the car show lot and the river,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:51:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997, Kevin Wong wrote:
> I just checked some saved information and it seems that the largest
> diameter front bar offered for '77-'96 RWD B/C/D cars is 30mm. Apparently,
> a '70-'81 F-car front stabilizer will fit, and is 32mm in diameter
> (ª356534).  When I set out to add F41 stabilizers, I discovered that most
> (if not all) Cadillacs already had the 30mm front bar, so these are
> another potential source.  BTW, is your front bar 28mm in diameter?

Hmmm... so if an F-body front bar fits a 77-96 RWD big car, and is also
(according to what I've read here) supposed to fit a 64-72 A-body like my
Cutlass (maybe all the way up to '77?), by extension I infer that the
full-size front bar should also fit the Cutlass. Never knew that, if true.
Can anyone confirm? Maybe I ought to go searching for a *couple* of
ex-police cars in the junkyard to get one of those beefy front bars for
both of my cars!


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 14:52:14 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Lansing of Bust

Well, folks, this is it.  In about 15 minutes, I'll be starting on the
first part of my trek to Lansing.  I'll look for some of you on
Thursday.  Try to keep the fighting to a minimum till I get back.  Not
uns*bscribing 'cause I'm too nosey and don't want to miss anything.

See ya's there!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:14:49 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Weather (fwd)

If there is anyone else out there that want's to know the weather
forecast for the Lansing Mich area check out this website for the 5 day
forecast. http://www.usatoday.com/weather/basemaps/nw725390.htm

Cliff McFarlane

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Another report from Doug Kitchener...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 11:36:56 -0400
> From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
> Subject: Lansing Weather
>
> All...
>
> I asked Penny Casteele if she knew the long-range weather forecast for
> Lansing...
>
> > Hot, muggy, and rain this weekend.  Cooler Monday and Tuesday. Highs in the
> > mid-seventies. Have a safe trip. See ya then. pj
>
> We may get lucky!
>
> I be leaving tomorrow am (Sunday), of course the hottest day of the year...
>
> See yas out there, I hope...
>
> Doug

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 cutlass-sx

Hi Steven -

My 71 SX is one of 2,117 made that year with some 300 being convertibles.
 The book Oldsmobile Muscle Cars says of this vehicle, "locating and
restoring one of these...machines could make for an interesting, and
certainly rare, muscle car" (p. 118).

If you are interested in something better than ª5 condition, I would be
willing to discuss the sale of my car (very fine ª3), as I am looking for a
70 442 with a 4-speed and can only have one big toy at a time (wife's rule).


Best of luck.

Tom Simmons
deovivere@aol.com
Great Falls, Virginia

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:36:07 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Who did this to my post..

Kevin O'Brien wrote:
>
> > Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> > >
> > >  Who did this to my post?  The first sentence should read:
> > > "You probably know that much of the convertible frame is boxed".
> > > I am getting tired of this cheap computer making these mistakes.  I have
had > > > to throw away many pens that have gotten to misspelling & other > > >
idiosyncrasies.  This computer is next. > > Wow! They've had me flying a desk
in this maintenance dept five years > now-all I do is write write write...order
order order..misspell, > misspell, misspell... > > Anybody on the list know how
to use a spell checker, real time, with > Netscape Message Composition? > >
Want to be sure I spell Oldzmobile etc correctly. > > Kevin O'Brien > 78-98

No Kevin, I don't, but would be willing to learn.  I am afraid my
computer skills (especially on the Internet part)are not as a good as I
would like.  However, as I am trying (and willing) to learn, any
comments of a constructive nature are quite appreciated.  Other types of
comments will be lost in cyberspace via the del*te button.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:35:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: TURBO38@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 442 W-30

i have a 70 w-30. possible sale, please reply.



turbo,

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:45:50 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 71 cutlass-sx

DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hi Steven -
>
> My 71 SX is one of 2,117 made that year with some 300 being convertibles.
>  The book Oldsmobile Muscle Cars says of this vehicle, "locating and
> restoring one of these...machines could make for an interesting, and
> certainly rare, muscle car" (p. 118).
>
> If you are interested in something better than ª5 condition, I would be
> willing to discuss the sale of my car (very fine ª3), as I am looking for a
> 70 442 with a 4-speed and can only have one big toy at a time (wife's rule).
>
>
> Best of luck.
>
> Tom Simmons
> deovivere@aol.com
> Great Falls, Virginia
Sounds like it's time for a new wife.  My wife used to rag me about my
old "junkers".  She likes them as well as I do when they look good, but
I can't figure out how to get her to help speed up the process.  So now
when she rags me, I tell to go clean some house and then we'll talk
about my old cars.  Same old deal.  I'd buy a newer car to drive and she
would complain, can't afford it, it's too big, it's the wrong
color/model/etc.  Once she drove it, I couldn't get her out of it.  Not
knocking all women, but some don't understand the bond between a guy
raised in the muscle car years and their bond to certain types of
vehicles.  Let me put it this way, my 69-72 Cutlasses and Skylark sit
inside in airconditioned comfort, while my everyday Town Car and Mark
VII, etc. sit outside in the weather.  Guess which ones I value the
most.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:43:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMDHM8@aol.com
Subject: Locating a 1969 Olds 4-4-2

I'm trying to locate a 1969 Olds 4-4-2 that is as close as possible to the
one my
wife and I owned when we were first married.

A "spec sheet" - a wish list of desired equipment is available by fax through
a request to 216-899-5477 or by mail if an address is left at the fax number.

Voice telephone is 216-871-7680.

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 16:57:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 70's D88 1=>2 xst

I forget who was looking for it, but I do indeed still have the 1-into-2
exhaust system off a 78? Buick Electra with Olds motor, should fit any late
70's D88 nicely. Complete with 3" or so chrome exhaust tips.

So, whoever it was, let me know if you still want it or if I should sell it at
the swap meet.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:53:51 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

>>[[ So, the engine may be junk... no interior... top pump & such may be
>>junk... What's left? "Decent" frame, from the rustbound NE? Ahem. Buckets?
>>Glass, seats. $500 sounds a bit steep to me, unless you can turn the motor,
>>verify that it's at least not frozen up. Even then, what's to guarantee
>against
>>cracks, spun bearing, etc.?
>>
>>  Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
>>then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
>>even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
>>a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?
>>How about selling the parts by the pound, like they pay for scrap metal?
>>I get about 2-2.5 *cents* per pound here for misc. steel. 35-40c/ª for
>>aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
>>the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000
>hood,
>>no problem, eh? allrighty then.
>>
>>  'Course, folks like that provide me with plenty o' fodder down at
>>Padnos, I guess! Hey, let's have the Olds email meeting at Padnos! Shoot,
>>they close at 4:45 pm... never mind! ]]
>>--
>>Chris  B. Witt


=============================================================================
THE ABOVE CURTIOSY OF ANOTHER SELF-PROCLAIMED *OLDS EXPERT*, WITH A MASTERS
IN ASSOLOGY.   :(


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:26:31 -0400
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: Disappointed with Members

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Well said!

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From: Panman638@aol.com[SMTP:Panman638@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 1997 2:07 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

I agree with you. If I have nothinf to contribute I don't say anything. I do
not understand why some have to act in such a way. I bet  they are the first
ones to get angry if they are spoken too that way. Just shows how childish
they really are. I bet they drive Fords.
Jim Moore




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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:39:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Now laddies.... tsk tsk tsk.

You know the rules... if you disagree with something like this, you DO
NOT take on the individual via the list. I should remind you that the
rules of engagement here instruct you to take such things to private
email.  I'd suggest that applied to the original response as well.

Enough said, please.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:41:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter

I just want to know how it works

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:42:43 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

>>aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
>>the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000
>hood,
>>no problem, eh? allrighty then.
>>
>>  'Course, folks like that provide me with plenty o' fodder down at
>>Padnos, I guess! Hey, let's have the Olds email meeting at Padnos! Shoot,
>>they close at 4:45 pm... never mind! ]]
>>--
>>Chris  B. Witt
>>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>>
>>To all members,
>
>Note above what I placed on this email list and the response from Chris B.
>Witt. I thought all the members in this particular club were pretty decent
>people, I guess I was wrong. I don't feel I deserved this type of degrading
>and derogatory comments.
>
>Disappointed
>Al Barlow
>Maine
>1971 Olds 442 Convertible
>
Al,
 I agree 100% with you.I don't believe for a minute you are trying to rip any-
one.Please remember though that it's possible that they may not have meant it
to sound so rude.Earlier this month something I said was misunderstood.It
happens.
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 15:47:50 -0700
From: Molly Clark <"aec@isomedia.com"@mail.isomedia.com>
Subject: 1949 Oldsmobile Search

I'm searching for a 1949 Olds 2-door business or club coupe, No 3
condition or better, stock.  If you know of one or someone that may,
please let me know.  I appreciate the help.-- Steve Clark

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:55:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

im sure u mean i bet they drive chevies, luckily my 69 mach 1 didnt hear
that, after all he has 3 oldsmobrothers 2 keep him company.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 19:31:38 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Panman638@aol.com wrote:
>
> I agree with you. If I have nothinf to contribute I don't say anything. I do
> not understand why some have to act in such a way. I bet  they are the first
> ones to get angry if they are spoken too that way. Just shows how childish
> they really are. I bet they drive Fords.
> Jim Moore

Hey I agree with Jim.  Some of us may not be as knowledgable and perfect
as the rest and we make typing errors.  Some of you guys can be real
critical.  I've gotten the odd unwarranted response.  WHO NEEDS IT.
Maybe we just need to stop posting unless absolutely necessary.  Wayne

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:37:14 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

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mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:

> I looked in the Auto Trader today (for the SF bay area) and down in
> the
> south bay there is an '86 Hurst/Olds for sale for $900 obo.  Owner is
> selling as-is, so I'm curious if it has problems passing smog or needs
>
> parts.  Ad did say it ran, and needed some work..  Has T-tops as well.
>
> Would this be a good car to purchase and put a few hours wrenching
> time
> into?

If it runs ~at all~ I'd say jump on it.  As has been said before, it's a
fake or the wrong listed year, but it's an Olds, ~and~ it has T-Tops, so
(at least to me) that adds a fine premium.  There's more to watch out
for in T-Top cars, but it's very rewarding to own one  --Trust Me--
Plus, IMHO, ~any~ running, driving car is worth $1000.  That seems to be
an average estimate, judging by the cars that went through the dealer I
worked for.  Since they're billing it as an H/O, I'd guess (even as a
fake) it's likely to have some other good toys in there somewhere, too.
Wing, scoop, rims???  Buckets, posi?  Who knows.  Find out a bit more,
but be ready to take it home.  ~I~ would.  (Then again, those that know
me well enough here, know I have a habit of taking home strays that have
a potential for being cool if only given three months worth of solid
labor and twenty five thousand dollars......)  Seriously, though, I'd
say do it.

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
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ALINK="ªFF0000"> mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>I looked
in the Auto Trader today (for the SF bay area) and down in the <BR>south bay
there is an '86 Hurst/Olds for sale for $900 obo.&nbsp; Owner is <BR>selling
as-is, so I'm curious if it has problems passing smog or needs <BR>parts.&nbsp;
Ad did say it ran, and needed some work..&nbsp; Has T-tops as well. <BR>Would
this be a good car to purchase and put a few hours wrenching time
<BR>into?</BLOCKQUOTE> If it runs ~at all~ I'd say jump on it.&nbsp; As has 
been
said before, it's a fake or the wrong listed year, but it's an Olds, ~and~ it
has T-Tops, so (at least to me) that adds a fine premium.&nbsp; There's more to
watch out for in T-Top cars, but it's very rewarding to own one&nbsp; --Trust
Me--&nbsp; Plus, IMHO, ~any~ running, driving car is worth $1000.&nbsp; That
seems to be an average estimate, judging by the cars that went through the
dealer I worked for.&nbsp; Since they're billing it as an H/O, I'd guess (even
as a fake) it's likely to have some other good toys in there somewhere,
too.&nbsp; Wing, scoop, rims???&nbsp; Buckets, posi?&nbsp; Who knows.&nbsp; 
Find
out a bit more, but be ready to take it home.&nbsp; ~I~ would.&nbsp; (Then
again, those that know me well enough here, know I have a habit of taking home
strays that have a potential for being cool if only given three months worth of
solid labor and twenty five thousand dollars......)&nbsp; Seriously, though, 
I'd
say do it.<TT>&nbsp;</TT>

<P><TT>--</TT>
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<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Charley Buehner&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <A
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<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"Rockit 1"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
'81 Olds Cutlass 425</TT>
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"BT UR 4D"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
'70 Buick GS 455</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 17:41:14 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 83 HURST/OLDS VALUE

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RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:

> ATTN FELLOW OLDS FANS, HAVE AN OPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE 83 HURST
> OLDS 15TH ANNIV. EDITION. LOADED W/T-TOPS,WING ETC. BODY MOSTLY
> STRAIGHT,
> NOSE NEEDS PAINT, HAS CORRECT RIMS, INT IN DECENT SHAPE
> W/CORRECT 3-STICK SHIFTER,    ANY HELP APPRECIATED, YOU CAN POST OR
> E-MAIL ME
> DIRECTLY AT RCKTPWR@AOL.COM          THANX!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ooh ooh ooh!!!  I'd give critical parts of my anatomy for ~that~ one!
I'm not sure where these things are sitting now, but I'd guess anywhere
between 4 and 7G, depending on condition???  Definately post pictures
somewhere after you get it!  I want to drool on my computer some more ;)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!


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ALINK="ªFF0000"> RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>ATTN FELLOW OLDS
FANS, HAVE AN OPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE 83 HURST <BR>OLDS 15TH ANNIV. EDITION.
LOADED W/T-TOPS,WING ETC. BODY MOSTLY STRAIGHT, <BR>NOSE NEEDS PAINT, HAS
CORRECT RIMS, INT IN DECENT SHAPE <BR>W/CORRECT 3-STICK
SHIFTER,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ANY HELP APPRECIATED, YOU CAN POST OR E-MAIL ME
<BR>DIRECTLY AT
RCKTPWR@AOL.COM&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
THANX!!!!!!!!!!!!</BLOCKQUOTE> &nbsp; <BR>Ooh ooh ooh!!!&nbsp; I'd give 
critical
parts of my anatomy for ~that~ one!&nbsp; I'm not sure where these things are
sitting now, but I'd guess anywhere between 4 and 7G, depending on
condition???&nbsp; Definately post pictures somewhere after you get it!&nbsp; I
want to drool on my computer some more ;)

<P>&nbsp;
<BR>&nbsp;
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Charley Buehner&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <A
HREF="mailto:buehner@lyrea.com">mailto:buehner@lyrea.com</A></TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Box
524&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
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HREF="mailto:charley@rocketship.com">mailto:charley@rocketship.com</A></TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Sidney, Montana 59270 | <A
HREF="http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner">http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner</A></TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"Rockit 1"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
'81 Olds Cutlass 425</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"BT UR 4D"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
'70 Buick GS 455</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 18:11:28 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

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Everybody wrote...

        < < < S N I P > > >

(Up pulls the Rockit, with the fire trucks close behind, while CB tries
to add his two cents to this already burning topic.....)

Definately a hot new topic on the Olds list, here.  I have to say,
however, that I ~do~ agree with Chris quite a bit on the subject.  I
have this hunch his reply didn't protray the humorous meaning it likely
started out with, but it does bring out a good point.  If ~I'm~ selling
something (which happens ~sooo~ often!) I'd give the real Olds lovers
first pick and best price at whatever it happens to be.  If the
prospective buyer is just looking for something to make his derby car
complete, you'd better believe he's not getting the same price quote as
the guy who needs the same part to finish his show car (these being the
same part, ya know...)  I'd feel down right insulted if I offered
someone $300 for a parts car, and was turned down, and then later come
to find out he had it scrapped and got $50 out of the deal.  I've seen
that happen a time or two, and it's really sad.  Especially knowing that
the car will likely see the crusher soon.  (I've had ~that~ happen to me
personally...  I was ~piªªed!!!~)

I don't know Chris ~personally~ all that well, but I've seen enough to
know that he's a very good person, and has a tendancy to call things as
he sees them (often with a bit of humor mixed in).  I don't think I'd
take his reply as a personal insult (I don't think it was intended that
way) but more as a plea to offer the ~rest~ of the Olds lovers a bit of
a better deal.

Al (and others who may find yourselves in the same situation):  If you
know the car will go soon (and you know you'll only get $100 at best
from a scrap yard) don't set a price high above that.  At least not for
the members here.  We all know that very few scrap yards give much money
for (what ~they~ call) junk cars.  Many of them charge ~you~ to come
haul them away.  As you'd originally suspected (and hoped) a vast
majority of the people on this list (including Chris) are very good
people.  I'd feel fairly comfortable boxing up a part and shipping it to
almost anyone here with the instructions "send me what you think this is
worth." and little more.  People get a lot less offended that way, and
you'd still have a good chance of getting more than you'd expected out
of the part.  I'm sure this is almost the same thing Chris was trying to
say, but in a less tongue-in-cheek format,  that ~hopefully~ won't
ruffle too many feathers.  As a fellow Olds lover, I'd ~much~ rather see
an Olds rusting in someone else's backyard than in a junk yard, and I'd
go out of my way to prevent the latter.

I'll leave it at that (I have to go change the batteries in the smoke
alarm, ya know...)

Oh, yeah, I seem to remember Chris working on a Ford last year...  maybe
he ~was~ driving one that day.... :o
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             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!


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ALINK="ªFF0000"> Everybody wrote...

<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt; &lt; &lt; S N I P >
> >

<P>(Up pulls the Rockit, with the fire trucks close behind, while CB tries
to add his two cents to this already burning topic.....)

<P>Definately a hot new topic on the Olds list, here.&nbsp; I have to say,
however, that I ~do~ agree with Chris quite a bit on the subject.&nbsp;
I have this hunch his reply didn't protray the humorous meaning it likely
started out with, but it does bring out a good point.&nbsp; If ~I'm~ selling
something (which happens ~sooo~ often!) I'd give the real Olds lovers first
pick and best price at whatever it happens to be.&nbsp; If the prospective
buyer is just looking for something to make his derby car complete, you'd
better believe he's not getting the same price quote as the guy who needs
the same part to finish his show car (these being the same part, ya
know...)&nbsp; I'd feel down right insulted if I offered someone $300 for a
parts car, and was turned down, and then later come to find out he had it
scrapped and got $50 out of the deal.&nbsp; I've seen that happen a time or 
two,
and it's really sad.&nbsp; Especially knowing that the car will likely see the
crusher soon.&nbsp; (I've had ~that~ happen to me personally...&nbsp; I was
~piªªed!!!~)

<P>I don't know Chris ~personally~ all that well, but I've seen enough
to know that he's a very good person, and has a tendancy to call things
as he sees them (often with a bit of humor mixed in).&nbsp; I don't think
I'd take his reply as a personal insult (I don't think it was intended
that way) but more as a plea to offer the ~rest~ of the Olds lovers a bit
of a better deal.

<P>Al (and others who may find yourselves in the same situation):&nbsp;
If you know the car will go soon (and you know you'll only get $100 at
best from a scrap yard) don't set a price high above that.&nbsp; At least
not for the members here.&nbsp; We all know that very few scrap yards give
much money for (what ~they~ call) junk cars.&nbsp; Many of them charge
~you~ to come haul them away.&nbsp; As you'd originally suspected (and
hoped) a vast majority of the people on this list (including Chris) are
very good people.&nbsp; I'd feel fairly comfortable boxing up a part and
shipping it to almost anyone here with the instructions "send me what you
think this is worth." and little more.&nbsp; People get a lot less offended
that way, and you'd still have a good chance of getting more than you'd
expected out of the part.&nbsp; I'm sure this is almost the same thing
Chris was trying to say, but in a less tongue-in-cheek format,&nbsp; that
~hopefully~ won't ruffle too many feathers.&nbsp; As a fellow Olds lover,
I'd ~much~ rather see an Olds rusting in someone else's backyard than in
a junk yard, and I'd go out of my way to prevent the latter.

<P>I'll leave it at that (I have to go change the batteries in the smoke
alarm, ya know...)

<P>Oh, yeah, I seem to remember Chris working on a Ford last year...&nbsp;
maybe he ~was~ driving one that day.... :o
<BR>-
<BR><TT>&nbsp;</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Charley Buehner&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; | <A
HREF="mailto:buehner@lyrea.com">mailto:buehner@lyrea.com</A></TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Box
524&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp
;&nbsp; | <A
HREF="mailto:charley@rocketship.com">mailto:charley@rocketship.com</A></TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Sidney, Montana 59270 | <A
HREF="http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner">http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner</A></TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"Rockit 1"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
'81 Olds Cutlass 425</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"BT UR 4D"&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; |
'70 Buick GS 455</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
"TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal</TT>
<BR><TT>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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