
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 26 1997       Volume 01 : Number 819



Re: Listen to my Rocket!
Re: Back from Lansing
Re: Back from Lansing
Re: Parting out 1968 Cutlass Convertible
Re: MSD 6 AL
OCA Web Page - It's Now Official
455 stove pipe question
Re: Lansing Diary Day 5 & 6 (long)
Re: 1998 OLDS NATS
Re: 1970 Radio wanted
Lansing
Re: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)
Re: Listen to my Rocket!
Centennial
Re: ADMIN: Closed List
RE: Build Sheets
Re-send
Re: Listen to my Rocket!
RS Cent'l #1, -Thursday [long]
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
Olds. 350 "project" FOR SALE!...  (H*lp me fund my Cutlass.....)
I'm back (by popular demand?)
67 C/S  330/320  4spd
70 442 seatbelts
72 H/O prototype
Lansing Video:  Second Update
Re: Rear End Help
Re: 455 stove pipe question
Re: 70 442 seatbelts
Anyone got old digests?
Back from the road trip
Late introduction(sorta long)
Re: Lansing pictures
Re: engines
Re: std 455 operating temp
Hope all enjoyed Lansing, I'm back too
Re: Listen to my Rocket!
RE: Listen to my Rocket!
Re: 70 442 seatbelts
Re: Re-send
Re: 1998 OLDS NATS
RE: Build Sheets
455 Heat Stoves
Re: Listen to my Rocket!
Re: RS Cent'l #1, -Thursday [long]
Re: Lansing Memories
Re: RS Cent'l #1, -Thursday [long]

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:33:00 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!

- ----------
> From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!
> Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 7:08 PM
> 
> Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it plays?
> I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.
> 
> http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif
> 
> -- 
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>  
> Didn't work for me. I got a "Internet Explorer cannot play this sound.
The
> associated program does not recognize the format. The file might be
> damaged" error.
> 
> I got a error too when it was about 1/3 done loading. Back to the drawing
board Matt
Walter 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:52:42 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Back from Lansing

 Bill,
Thanks for the info. I'm quickly finding out that the more I'm learning, the
more I realize what I don't know.
Year One does carry this part for $40. I think I'll do without it for
awhile.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd W. Culp <bculp@HiWAAY.net>



> Mick,
>
>I believe that this pipe is a heat stove for the heating of air for the
carb
>during warm-up.  There is a box made of sheet metal around one manifold for
>trapping the hot air coming off that manifold.  The pipe just routes the
air
>to the air cleaner & thus to the carb.
>
>Nothing is needed to plug the hole in the box around the manifold.  If the
>box were not there, the air would just escape into the engine compartment
>just as it did for years prior to this gadget being used.   When you find
>another tube, just install it & you will be complete again.  If it doesn't
>bother you to have it gone, just forget it.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama.
>> The pipe that runs from the right exh. manifold to the breather came off.
>>It was shaken loose on those rough MI roads. I heard the clank under the
>>car, saw the chromed pipe bouncing down the road right under the wheels of
>a
>>semi.
>>Can anyone tell me what this pipe does? The manual says it routes
>evaporated
>>gas etc. fumes from the crankcase back through the carb to be burned,
>
>That would be the PCV valve.  I'm certain that what you describe isn't that
>part.  It routes from one rocker cover by hose to the carburetor.
>
>I've
>>also heard it called a heat riser for better cold weather operation.
>
>The heat riser is a part of the exhaust manifold that has a door in it to
>control exhaust heat in the morning & route it through a plenum through the
>intake manifold under the carburetor.
>
>Few of
>>the 350's I looked at in Lansing still had this pipe on the engine and the
>>car suddenly seemed to run better when it was gone.
>>Do I need this pipe? Should I block the hole in the manifold? Does a plug
>>exist for this purpose?
>>I don't drive the car in the winter.
>>I recall that someone else was looking for the teardrop shaped antenna
hold
>>down. If you still need it, I picked up a spare at the Swapmeet.
>>
>>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
>>
>>
>

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:57:00 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Back from Lansing

 Thanks Eric,
You're right, it was the heat stove. It looks like losing it is pretty
common. I'll do without it for the time being.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>



> Mick,
>
> There are two pipes in that general location.  There is the heat stove
>that routes air past the hot exhaust manifold into the air cleaner to
>improve cold weather driveability.  Then there is a short pipe from the
>passenger side valve cover (at least on my VC w/ 455) into the air cleaner,
>which supplies the PCV with clean air.  The PCV port on the carb. sucks air
>through the crank case through the drivers side valve cover.  That air
>enters the engine from the tube between the air cleaner and the passenger
>side valve cover.
>
> The PCV tube between the valve cover and the air cleaner is a small and
>black, so I doubt you would be able to see it bounce down the road through
>your rear view mirror.  Most likely, you lost the heat stove which is no
>big deal unless you drive alot in cold weather climates.  Here in
>California it is considered part of the emissions controls so you need one
>to pass the smog test.
>
> I hope I have clarified, atleast somewhat, this issue.
>
>Erik Nowacki
>San Diego
>72 Vista Cruiser
>
>
>>Few of
>>>the 350's I looked at in Lansing still had this pipe on the engine and
the
>>>car suddenly seemed to run better when it was gone.
>>>Do I need this pipe? Should I block the hole in the manifold? Does a plug
>>>exist for this purpose?
>>>I don't drive the car in the winter.
>>>I recall that someone else was looking for the teardrop shaped antenna
hold
>>>down. If you still need it, I picked up a spare at the Swapmeet.
>>>
>>>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 1968 Cutlass Convertible

What due you want for the exterior trim?

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:05:23 -0500
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: MSD 6 AL

I am thinking of buying an MSD 6AL. Is it worth the money?  Anyone have
any experience, or before/after stories? Any help is appreciated.


patrickd@wwnet.com
1969 442 conv.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:35:59 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: OCA Web Page - It's Now Official

Well, while Greg went to see Grand Ams built on Thurs in Lansing, I sat
through a 3.25 hour Olds Club of America Meeting.  The bottom line....

Approval has been made for a full blown OCA web site, probably w/ the
url www.oldsclub.com.  Final name will be determined later.

I'll be the webguy (I'm no master, to see that go to http://www.442.com)
and there will be the addition of OCA merchandise, chapter of the month,
car of the month and whatever else the board of directors and/or me want
to put there to further the hobby.  Anyhow, I'll keep ya updated as
things progress but until then keep up to date at the pilot site below.  
Later and BOY am I tired !!!!

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:31:36 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: 455 stove pipe question

Are all stove pipes and housings basically the same, (on a 455 engine)?

Will these parts off a 1971 delta 98, with a 455, fit a 1971 4-4-2 with 
a 455 and an O.A.I. setup?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:53:53 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Lansing Diary Day 5 & 6 (long)

 >All in all it was a great week. Yes, I spent more than I intended. No, I
>didn't get to see everything I wanted to see. And yes, I am still quite
>tired. But as we heard time and time again all week, it's something
>you'll never see again. I'm glad I got to be a part of it.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

Greg ... thanks for your enjoyable and detailed account of the trip: it
really gave a good sense of what it was like to be there: the good and the
not-so-great and so on.  Very interesting for those who, though closer,
couldn't make it.

Please to hear about your growing enjoyment of the bigger cars.  That 76
Custom Cruiser sounded great.

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada

74 Ninety-Eight
69 Delta 88
66 Toronado

graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:03:36 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 1998 OLDS NATS

>Two groups were making presentations to the board to host the 2000
>nationals. One was the Rallye 350 Chapter out of New Jersey, and the other
>was the Northern Lights Chapter in Canada.  Actually, the Northern Lights
>group is not formally a chapter of the OCA, but rather is an "affiliated
>organization," and there was some question as to whether they could, under
>OCA by-laws, sponsor a nationals.  I think the board was going to figure
>out a way around this if the decision was made to award the 2000 nats to
>the Northern Lights group.  As I said, I didn't stay around long enough to
>see what was decided, but it seems reasonable to conclude that the 2000
>nats will be in either New Jersey or Canada.  I'm not sure where the
>Northern Lights group is based.
>
>Dan

The Northern Lights Chapter is operated out of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
The have a web site: http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/kpilidis/  .

I think a similar situation occurred in 1994 when the Nationals show was
held in London, Ontario: a second show was held in the 'States, sponsored by
a formal chapter.  I can't remember where right now ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:17:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 Radio wanted

How much
Thanks

Doug
>
> Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I really need a radio for my 1970 cutlass convt. Anyone who has one can emai
l
> > me privately with a price.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Doug Harkema
> >
> > harkema2@pilot.msu.edu
> Doug,
>
> I may have a regular AM 70 Cutlass radio.  E-mail me if you want.  I
> would assume it works, but haven't checked it for several years.
>
> Don Sowers
> Nicholasville, Ky
>

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:34:23 -0400
From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Subject: Lansing

I don't have too much more to add to the Lansing stories.
I was up there Thursday for the list get together, and
I was up all day Saturday.

It was really something to see all those cars from so
many years all in one place.  I actually saw four other
70 98 convertibles!

The Saturday parade was the first parade I ever saw were
the police spent more time keeping the parade participants
under control, than doing crowd control.  It seems burn-outs
were frowned upon.

I do have a nice rust-free rear bumper from New Mexico (complete
with tag) adorning my motel room here in Sterling Heights; $15.  It's
only about 6.5 feet long.  That won't go on the car until I'm
out of Michigan.

It was nice seeing those of you I saw.

There is a older picture of my car at http://www.goodnet.com/~tmonson.
It was purple back then.  It's light blue now.  It was a little bit better 
looking back then, and I took some pretty flattering pictures of it.

That's my F*rd truck on the same page.

My friend, Tamara, was kind enough to host the pictures for me.  I told
her that if she had pictures like those on her web page she would be
irresitable to any real red-blooded American male.  Feel free to pretend
that you just stumbled across the page, and e-mail her with comments
(tmonson@goodnet.com).  She's 28, single, not bad looking at all, and
she drives a.......  T*y*ta, d'oh!

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5129    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:22:03 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)

> >1970 Chevelle/
> >     Malibu    454/450  n/a   108.17  13.44 3307
> >1968 H/O       455/390  6.5   108.17  12.97 3603
> >
> That 68 H/O is a ringer, the real production ones were not that fast. The
> Chevelle was faster I would guess. 
> 
> ____________________________________________
> Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
 
Jason is right. This "test" car was H/O #1 it had a 4 speed and headers.
Considering the mph to the et I would guess either the Malibu had an auto
or the driver had a problem. Since the mph are the same the engines
probable have about the same hp. Stock H/Os are about a second slower than
this one but then again if this car came from the factory like this
wouldn't it make it stock? I have seen a "stock"(only noticeable non stock
parts was radial tires and owner claimed drivetrain was stock) '68 H/O that
was "tuned in" run 12.8-12.9 at the strip.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 22:49:44 +0000
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!

Matt Cremean wrote:
> 
> Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it plays?
> I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.
> 
> http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif
> 
> --
> **********************************
> Matt Cremean
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> CreamerSoft© Software
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> **********************************

don't work for me. Im using Netscape 3.01. I get a blank little window
with an "N" in it.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:53:24 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Centennial

Greetings directly from Lansing!

I did the one hour photo today and rather hastily, put together a Centennial Scrapbook in 
the Toro FAQ.

All who are interested can go to the Toro FAQ and click on "Centennial Scrapbook" on the 
FAQ Main Page. Follow the prompts from there.

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm 

Hey! Who is THAT showing up in some of those pictures?   Could it be.... BRYCEMAN???? 

Many more pictures still on the way! Check it out form time to time!

It was a pure pleasure to meet all you folks in Lansing! I am going to s*bs*ib* to the 
Olds List for a while to get in on the Lansing banter. I REALLY had the time of my life!!

Sparky
 
- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:29:07 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Closed List

At 01:29 PM 8/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I've been informed by Chebucto that they've turned on the feature that 
>makes this list closed. That means that only members can post to it. This 
>will hopefully stop the spam problem in it's tracks.
>
>There is a good chance, though, that some members might have a problem 
>posting depending on their host configuration. If so, let me know and 
>I'll see what I can do.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Most Excellent! Thank you very much Greg.

Ray

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:40:43 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: RE: Build Sheets

At 11:46 AM 8/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I can tell you that on the factory tour the build sheets the workers used 
>were glued to the door glass on the passenger side. Obviously they didn't 
>stay there forever but we didn't see anyone removing them and putting them 
>elsewhere. They were large, about 11x15 or so.


Let me tell you what I found out about build sheets. 

I took the tour of the Lansing Car Assembly plant, building 90, where they
assemble the Cavalier, Grand Am, and the new Olds that is replacing the
Achieva.  These were all 1998 models.  In contrast to the plant that Greg
described, this one was built in 1978, renovated in 1984, and looked very
modern.  There was a big electric sign (actually several of them throughout
the plant) that was constantly listing how far behind schedule that
particulat shift was in producing cars.  When we entered the plant, they
were 7 cars behind schedule.  When we left 1.5 hours later, they were 9
cars behind.  There were three instances of the line stopping briefly
during the time we were there.

The tour was great.  As I said, it lasted about 1.5 hours, and they
essentially walked us from one end of the assembly line, where the freshly
painted bodies enter the building, to the other end, where the tires are
put on and the cars are driven away.  We were encouraged to ask any of the
assembly line workers any questions we might have, and most were more than
happy to discuss what they were doing.

Well, we spent some time watching the bodies come into the plant, and we
saw the first workers to see the bodies attach these sheets that Greg
describes above.  They are big (about 11 x 17, as Greg says), with colored
boxes and big numbers written on them.  I asked the worker standing there
if these are the "build sheets," and I explained to him how important these
things were to restorers who want to know what the car was originally
equipped with when it left the factory.

He was not familiar with the term "build sheet," but, yes, these did
contain that information.  Each was unique to the car they were attached
to.  They had another name for the sheet, but I forget what it was.  I then
asked what they do with them when the car is finished, and he looked at me
like I was from Mars.  I explained that there is great interest in finding
these documents and that, on the cars we're interested in, from the 50s,
60s, and 70s, these sheets are found in the car somewhere, usually taped to
the top of the gas tank, stuck to the floor under the carpeting, stuck up
under the seat in the springs, in a door, and so forth.  

He said that the sheets are not put into the cars at all, but rather the
paper is recycled.  I guess that, in this day and age, that's not
surprising to hear.  I explained to him, though, how this is a shame and
how useful it would be if these to some future restorer 20 or 30 years from
now who might want to know what options the car originally came with.  He
just shrugged his shoulders.

So that's it.  You guys who are planning to restore a 1997 Cutlass 25 years
from now, don't expect to find a build sheet.



Dan



**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 02:31:42 -0300
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Re-send

Greetings directly from Lansing!

I did the one hour photo today and rather hastily, put together a Centennial Scrapbook in
the Toro FAQ.

All who are interested can go to the Toro FAQ and click on "Centennial Scrapbook" on the
FAQ Main Page. Follow the prompts from there.

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm

Hey! Who is THAT showing up in some of those pictures?   Could it be.... BRYCEMAN????

Many more pictures still on the way! Check it out form time to time!

It was a pure pleasure to meet all you folks in Lansing! I am going to s*bs*ib* to the
Olds List for a while to get in on the Lansing banter. I REALLY had the time of my life!!

Sparky

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:34:13 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!

mackk@netinc.ca wrote:
> 
> Matt Cremean wrote:
> >
> > Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it plays?
> > I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.
> >
> > http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif
> >
> > --
> > **********************************
> > Matt Cremean
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > CreamerSoft© Software
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
> > +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
> > 1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
> > **********************************
> 
> don't work for me. Im using Netscape 3.01. I get a blank little window
> with an "N" in it.
Me too

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:46:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: RS Cent'l #1, -Thursday [long]

The Oldsmobile Centennial experience from my perspective

Met many folks, most if not all of the email list folks, but my feeble memory
wil
l probably gloss over some...

Bryceman, Bob Handren, Greg Pruett, Beaulieu, Ludlams, David Brown,
 Karl Aune, Tom Stoner, Chris Fair, Peg O'Connor...


Start with Sunday, I go downtown to grab my credential packet. Get
 to park under the Lansing Center... the girl says it's for Olds
celebration folks only, I say, "yeah, that's me!" showing off my
 package of papers, it gets me in. See a client of Angela's day
 care, who works for Olds on this whole thing... Get my packet
 including a killer wall plaque with my number, 1193/2500! Shoot,
 shoulda registered all cars individually I guess. Nah, one's
 enough for me. Got 4 neck cards, nifty old-logo keychain, dash
 plaque, lots of stuff. In the hallway is a life-size cutaway of
 R.E. hisself, dern, no camera with me. Find a stack o' boxes,
 seem to be full of Silver-foldered "press packs"... including a
 nice big poster with about 100 cars pictured on it. Possibly the
 100 to be in the Big Parade?

Monday
     I told Chuck that of course, I would be spending Wed-Fri at
the Centennial. I had to go to "the farm" after work to unload the
 usual piles of stuff that accumulate in the back of my truck.
 Bryceman had called, was staying right nearby, so I *had* to stop
 by there on the way. He talked me into a quick drink [no,
 coffee!], so by the time I got to the farm, it was quite dark,
 and I had to unload the bulk of the stuff with the help of my
 little flashlight as the full orange moon slowly rose over the
 treetops. All but a shovelfull of misc. grunge found a home, but
 the bed still needed the final de-trashing, sweep & wash. Back in
 Lansing, I swept the stuff out onto the driveway [wife is gone
 for a couple days], then hit the car wash to cleanse the bed &
 ever-present bed protector plywood. Truck hasn't bee this clean
 since before I bought it! By then, it's after 11, so off to bed.
 Still thinking about the job interview I almost blew Friday...
 but word has it that it will still pan out. Still, the offer was
 supposed to be in on Monday, and it did not come today. Still
 po'd about the Toro sitting on stands in the driveway because the
 brake fluid will NOT pass thru the rear line. Can't bleed the
 brakes. Dismantling the offending "balance valve" revealed no
 reason other than possible previous incorrect reassembly or
 incorrect hookup.

Tuesday
     I awoke at the usual 7:20 or so and realized that there was
no way I could go to work at Chuck's & fix cars until 6-7pm and
 still get the Toro registered, the truck mess cleaned up & fill
 the truck & trailer with swap meet items unless I took the day
 off. So, called Chuck to tell him he'd be doing w/o me today as
 well. :-)
     Have to title & register the Toro, today, while thereÕs time.
 That requires insurance. Call the Ins. Co., get a proof-of faxed
 to the local store... Got thru the Secretary of State in a record
 1/2 hour or so. Final bill: $79. Sheesh! Gotta buy 2 yrs'
 registration on the 4300# behemoth. No real nifty plates
 available, get what's next. Low on cash, have to go ATM a few
 buckies to make this happen. Wait till Angela hears this...

   Tried & tried to leave town, kept forgetting stuff, having to
go back home. Freakin' noon by the time I get going. Thankfully,
 the weather could not be any better. Instead of the typical MI
 90-90 weather [degrees & % humidity], we have 70's and NICE.
     Find the brother out there, we start by inventorying,
 photographing the parts cars, then loading the bulky items from
 the Ôyard- chrome Toro wheels, C heads, H/O hood, a spare tire
 for the truck, etc. Then hook the trailer up, grab all the rest
 of the old generation of fliers, head into town. Answering
 machine says I have a job offer, need to call at once. I do so,
 learn that I have to be downtown early to sign papers. Swap meet
 starts at 10am also... but this means that I officially can blow
 off Chuck's Garage. I was counting on making as much in 2 days at
 the swap meet as I could at Chuck's in 2 weeks.
     Frantically load more & more stuff from my garage, trying to
keep the volume low, the quality of parts high, minimal cast iron
 that never seems to sell well. Throw in some items that I'd
 rather not sell; figure price 'em high, see what happens... Would
 like to have my 6-pack engine for an attention getter, but not
 practical.
     Drive down to swap meet area only to be turned away, as itÕs
now after 9pm... Disenchanted with all but the new job, I return
 home. Make up a display rocket about 3 feet long and a nice
 colored "Rocket Science" label to go on it. Extract the "bothersome" [thanks,
LF!] balance valve from the Toro for modification tomorrow.

More to come, including a killer ride in...


- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:56:22 -0300
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

W MACHINES@aol.com (Mark Prince) writes:

>You want total timing of 36 degrees at 1500 to 1800 rpms.

Uhhh...a typo, perhaps ? 36 degrees at 2500-2800 sounds OK. I'd think 36
degrees at 1500 would be a detonation-o-rama.  :-)

>Initial timing will probably be at 15 to 18 degrees.

Yes, and you'll want to make sure your starter and battery cables are up to
the task since the motor may be a bit hard to turn over with that much
initial advance, especially when warm.

FWIW, this is the ignition curve I'm running:

RPM           Degrees Advance
 800                 18
 900                 18.5
1000                 21
1200                 24
1500                 26
1750                 30
2200                 36
5000                 34

Ignition is MSD-6A (5800 RPM limit chip) with Accel Coil triggered by
Mallory Unilite conversion in stock distributor. Mechanical advance is
disabled; advance set by MSD programmable timing box with 2 degree retard
above 5000 RPM.

I'm still shaking out the car, so this is by no means a "set in stone"
curve or anything like that. :-)

Rich

- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Olds. 350 "project" FOR SALE!...  (H*lp me fund my Cutlass.....)

OK, here's the deal....   I was in the process of going through a 350 I have
here, and installing .060 in. over pistons, an Edelbrock intake, etc., but
I've run across a problem.....    I've just located a 455 out of a '70
Cutlass "S" that's in decent shape, and a TH-400 attached to it.  I'm
interested in it, but I've got this "project" motor going that I'd be
interested in selling to fund the 455 transplant.....  Here's what I've
currently got, and what I've spent so far.....

1977 Olds. 350 motor, non-windowed mains, needs to be align bored (approx.
$100-125 for this), it is painted, has new cam bearings, and freeze plugs....
(paid $100 for this block, and another...... plus extra parts...)  Crank's in
decent shape, mic'd to bearing size....., and also a set of #8 heads.....

Hot tank of block, magnaflux, bore .060 in. oversize, replace cam bearings,
and freeze plugs - $ 237.00

Cast Pistons (.060 in. size...), stock compression - $205.00 (includes rings,
and installing pistons to con-rods.....)

Edelbrock Performer Intake manifold - $110.00

I've got just the standard cast intake manifolds, plus a few extra intakes
(cast iron...), and a few other things, plus another whole block (1974 Olds
350, non-windowed, of course...) that could be included, depending on the
deal made.

Figure that I've got about $600.00 in it, not including time, etc., so how
about it....?  Anybody interested?   What's it worth to you?  I'd like to get
at least what money I've put in it.  Of course if I can't get anything decent
for it, or the motor gets sold from under me (have no money down since I
can't venture into this without some extra funds...., which means unloading
an "extra" project.... the 350), I'm just going to have to stay with
finishing the 350 project.

Anybody interested, please e-mail me at CRuper1@aol.com directly, or call me
at work (815-966-7997, Mon.-Fri., 8-5, central time), or at home
(815-624-2827, after 5:30 pm. central).

Oh, yeah, BTW, I'd prefer someone close to Rockton, IL. (80-90 miles
Northwest of Chicago, IL....), unless you prefer to pay high ship charges....
  I'd even deliver within reason....

Thanks,
Chris Ruper

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 22:01:19 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: I'm back (by popular demand?)

Well, I'm back sort of.  I'm on digest mode just to see how it is before changing to real time.  Since I won't be able to get access from work (chris_r._smetana@dadc.com) or most recently (csmetana@disc.sony.com) I will have access from home (chris@abcs.com) which is the main reason for digest mode.

I still am not over Lansing, I wish it would have been at least one day longer, not to mention having nice weather more than just Sat.

Later,
Chris Smetana
chris@abcs.com
69 W-31 (I'm too lazy to list all my cars and haven't created a sig file yet)

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:02:40 -0400
From: mwalker@hadco.com (Mike Walker)
Subject: 67 C/S  330/320  4spd

 Fellow Oldsmobilers,

 Howdy all. Ive been reading the digest and all the hubbub about
 Lansing. Really makes me wish I had been there. I have a 67 Holiday
 coupe I have spent quite a bit of time and money on over the last
 3 years and I just finished it this spring. My wife is from Wisc
 originally and has family in Michigan. We discussed driving the Olds
 out, but alas ... time is a commodity that runs short these days :-(
 Anyway, I just bought another 67. This is a C/S and came from the
 factory with 330/320hp AND 4 speed equipt with bucket seats, no
 console, NO power steering or brakes. Has original owners manual 
 AND protect-O-plate intact in glove box. Just wondering if anyone
 would have any idea how many 67 Supremes came from factory equipt
 as such. I think I have quite a rare example of a 67 Cutlass. What
 do you think ?   Thanks for any input !
 Mike Walker
 67 Cutlass Holiday Coupe (restored-not quite original) 330/320 T400
 67 Cutlass Supreme (On a 3 yr restore plan) 330/320 4 SPEED (Yee-Haw)
 

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: C191145cal@aol.com
Subject: 70 442 seatbelts

I have a 1970 olds 442 with bucket seats. The problem I have is,  there is
only one floor seatbelt latch & belt on each side of the car.  I use this for
the lap belt, but I want to use the shoulder belts too.. What am I looking
for?  Right now the belt & latch attached to the floor is, just that, a belt
and latch.  I have been told, by a friend, that there is a plastic holder,
that holds the the latch up for easy access.. Is this true?  If so, any ideas
where you can get these.  Aftermarket??  

Thank you,
Jim   NY 

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:20:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: 72 H/O prototype

If anyone has any photos or information on the '72 Hurst/Olds prototype that
appeared in the LA Auto Show in 1972, I would greatly appreciate hearing from
you. The car that was in the LA show had the lace-style graphics and what
appear to be American Racing wheels.

Thanks!

Jon Wessel
Director, H/OCA

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 23:30:42 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Lansing Video:  Second Update

It's me again,
                    I've received a lot of good feedback for the video idea.
Got another definite tape offer, plus one probable.  Been a little late
checking my mail, we've got a guy on vacation this week, so I'm checking it
after hours.  Sorry if I don't get back to some of you right away.  There's
no telling how long it will take to accomplish this bad boy, but I'll let
everybody know something when I begin to receive the raw footage.    
                     Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everybody who's been
posting their Lansing experiences, especially Greg for his detailed diaries.
(All these great stories are making me wish I'd taken a vacation last
week... :-)  Thanks also to Bill for posting those pics. on his "toychest"
home page.  Take care, all.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http:www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com                  

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:42:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

How low do you want to go.Gear sets offered in GM parts books, 2.73, 3.42,
3.73
are still available. 3.73 geared rears are in the following cars and trucks.
olds cutlass 1976
chev c-series 1979-1986 & 1988-1998
olds 98 1979-1984
buick 225 1979-1984
gmc g-series 1979-1995
chev suburban 1977-1996 & 1988-1995
cadillac fleetwood 1977-1984 & 1986-1995
These would be considered optional rear ends. if you want I can look up what
the letter codes would be on the 1982 and newer models.There was also a set
of 5.00 gears offered at one time "OFF HIGHWAY USE".Part #1258712 locater
says there are two sets at competition chev in LA, CA Phone# 1-818-831-1400 .
Hope this helps.

Alan Kohler

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:36:13 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 455 stove pipe question

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> Are all stove pipes and housings basically the same, (on a 455 engine)?
> 
> Will these parts off a 1971 delta 98, with a 455, fit a 1971 4-4-2 with
> a 455 and an O.A.I. setup?
> 
>
RC, Maybe, maybe not.  I'm not as familiar with the big cars, but I
THINK the heat stove was on the passenger side.  I'm not sure about the
exh. maniold configuration on the biggies, it may be different than the
442 so the shroud may be shaped a little different. The 442's are rather
fat. (Did that make sense?)  The heat pipe I would almost bet would be
the same.  GM tried their darndest to try to keep the same parts where
they could.

Only one way to find out.......hey, anyone out there have a 71 Delta/98
455 with a heat shroud/tube???

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:48:05 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 seatbelts

C191145cal@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I have a 1970 olds 442 with bucket seats. 
> Right now the belt & latch attached to the floor is, just that, a belt
> and latch.  I have been told, by a friend, that there is a plastic holder,
> that holds the the latch up for easy access.. Is this true?

Jim,
Your friend isn't into old Oldses it seems.  The lap belts and shoulder
belts are limp ol' things, that lay around wherever you put them.  No
plastic holder thingie.  That was way later on.  Actually, if you count
the short little boot that covered the bolt on the floor a plastic
holder....seriously though, your car should have come with two
belts/buckles on each side of the console.  You can have the standard
(large buckle) or Custom (small buckle) type.  You could try to find
those extra belts at a junkyard, but be warned:  I don't advise it. 
Junkyard belts are an "at your own risk" kinda thing.  They are usually
exposed to the weather and rot, jeapordizing their primary purpose. 
Just because they look OK doesn't mean they aren't severely weakened. 
And to crash test them only to find out they were too weak is a little
late, and again, not advised.  My advice is to try a belt restoration
company, such as Ssnake Oyl.  Or others.  The belts are tested and meet
federal requirements.  This of course is the safest way to go.  A little
more expensive, but it could payoff when you least expect it.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:13:31 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Anyone got old digests?

I meant to uns*bscribe from the main list and go to digest before I left for
lansing, but I forgot.  The server held all of my messages for me but my
eudorka program puked when I downloaded the 900 or so messages that had
piled up.  So I lost a lot of messages.  If someone could send me the
digests I missed or point me to a url where I can download them myself I'd
really appreciate it.  

I need the digests from 8-19 through 8-25.
Thanks.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme 

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:13:26 +0600
From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett )
Subject: Back from the road trip

Clay Pierce and I rolled in from Lansing this morning about 4:00.  I was
totally blown away by everything I saw up there.  Oldsmobiles everywhere.
Lotsa fun.  I've never seen so many oldses in one place.  So many Toros,
Vista Cruisers, 442s, etc.  Met a lot of great people from the list(s) as
well.  It was great fun despite the rain and cold.  We had to sleep in the
V-C the first two nights since it was too rainy to put up the tent.  I was
acually amazed how comfortable the bench seat could be to sleep in.:)

We would have gotten back sooner but I had a little minor car trouble
yesterday.  It seems my heater control valve, or whatever it's called, (that
little thigamajig that threads into the manifold that shuts off hot water to
the heater core) decided to start spewing water out thorugh the little holes
in the diaphram cannister.  We located a replacement after trying two parts
stores that were open on Sundays and attempted to replace it.  Problem was,
we didn't have any wrench or vice-grips in the car that were big enough for
the fitting.  (must be about a 1 1/16 inch fitting)  Luckily the counter
guys at the parts store were very helpful.  Allthough they didn't have any
tools that were big enough for the fitting, one of them dug a hacksaw out of
their trunk.  We cut the valve off, leaving enough of the stem in the
manifold to re-attatch the heater hose to it so we could make it back to
Virginia.  

That little snag cost us a few hours and we didn't get underway 'till about
1:30.  I was a little afraid of the hose blowing loose somewhere on the
highway but it didn't.  After our little patch job the Vista Cruiser made it
home with no problem.  Allthough the rough roads did some minor damagel.
Mostly in the form of hardware shook loose:

Lost right front license plate bolt:  Ohio turnpike.

Tailgate switch quit working:  Ohio turnpike.

Lost driver side cowl brace bolt:  Lansing streets

Air conditioner shifted & loosened the belt: Lansing streets

Lost passenger side cowl brace bolt: Ohio turnpike

...Poor thing about shook apart on thoes roads.  The mud flaps also took a
major thrashing since they hang very low and bottomed out through a lot of
potholes.  

I also managed to sustain a ticket about 10 miles before I got out of
Virginia on the way up.  I was pulled over for expired tags...."Thoes are
the oldest tags I've ever seen."  I explained to him that they were vintage
tags that I bought at the flea market and had re-issued at the DMV, and that
they were in fact current plates with renewal stickers on them. (Well,
DUHHH!)  He took my liscense and registration, walked to the back of the car
and got a good look at the plate, then returned to his car and sat for about
20 minuits.  Probably to run my plate and check for outstanding warrants or
whatever.....You never know what a shifty character driving a bright yellow
antique station wagon might be up to.  For all he knew I could be wanted for
pulling the tags of of mattreses or something.  And so, he returned to my
car with a ticket for running clear liscence plate covers.  Evidently any
type of liscense plate cover is illegal in VA.  Equipment violation, $30
fine, no points on my record.  The officer told me that if I showed up in
court with a polaroid of the car without the plate covers as proof I removed
them, I could probably get the charge dropped.  Anyway, it has to be the
funniest encounter with a police officer I've had yet.         

Despite all the mishaps and misadventures we still had a blast and wouldn't
have missed it for anything.  The hundreds of oldses cruising up Michigan
ave. to the capitol for the kickoff was a sight to behold!  Took lotsa
pictures, I shudder to think what the developing bill is gonna be.  

Will tell ya more later but for now I gotta go.  I have class in the morning
to get up for.  

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser (back from lansing in one piece)
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:42:32 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Late introduction(sorta long)

To all you Oldsmobilers on the list:

Hi to all, my name is Mike Rothe, and I never did get around to
introducing myself properly.  I just sorta blended in with all the other
nice ladies and gentlemen on this list.  Now that the list is officially
closed to the general spammers, (thanks to Greg Beaulieu, "The
Spaminator") I guess I ought to let you good folks know who I am, and
why I'm here.

I'm originally from southern Illinois, about 60 miles south of the '98
Nationals. I bought my first car (69 Olds 442 AT) in 1976, right after I
got my driver's license.  Paid $400 for it.  My father has had Oldses
since around 1962, when he bought a 61 Super 88.  Then a new Delta 88 in
65.  Then a new 69 Cutlass S.  My fondest memory of Oldsmobile shopping
was when my dad thought about a new 71 442 (didn't get one though).  We
went to St. Louis, and on the lot were no less than 8 442's in a row,
all in different forms.  My dad skimmed over the Viking blue W-30
4-speed.  He liked it, but... (Duh!)  He was afraid my mom wouldn't
learn how to drive a stick. To think that car almost ended up in our
driveway!  Then he test drove a Matador red/white striped 442
convertible AT,  then a Sienna/black striped W-25/W-26 hardtop.  I
remember sitting in the back of each, smelling that new car smell and
listening to the smooth rumble of the exhaust as my dad "accelerated
briskly" out of the parking lot........Anyway, that was the day I fell
in love with the 442's.  I'll never forget it.  I was feeling raw power
at age 11.

I joined the Navy in 1980, after a brief bout with Southern Illinois
University.  I was bored.  And stupid.  Right after I got out of Boot
Camp, I flew home to drive my first 71 442 back to the base.   I went to
nuclear power training in Orlando, FL, and Idaho Falls, ID. Then a
nuclear submarine.  Spent 10 years in the Navy.  Right after Desert
Storm I got out, and moved to Aiken, SC, where I was a training
instructor for a nuclear waste facility at the Savannah River Site, a
Department of Energy facility.  Used to make plutonium for bombs there
once.  Then I got a job as an Operations Supervisor at the company I'm
working for now, an environmental nuclear waste clean-up facility, also
out at the same site.

I joined this list early this year, since I only got on the net this
past November, and didn't use it much.  I was excited to find a list
devoted to Oldses.  I contribute when and where I can.  I'm not always
right, but I try to make sure the information/advice I give is either
out of something written, personal experience, or with a disclaimer
attached.  I've had over two dozen 442's in my day, (69-72) and now I
currently own a 69 H/O, 71 442, and an 85 442 that I ordered new.  I've
had the 85 the longest, bought the 71 in '88, and got the H/O this past
March.  I don't think I could ever sell one of my babies again.

My instructor stint enhanced my ability to research extensively on any
given subject.  I've used those skills over the years researching 68-72
442's and I've read, learned, done, and am always learning more. 
Although I'm partial to 68-72 performance Oldses, I love ALL
Oldsmobiles.  This list gives people like myself, a haven to go to and
learn and share information about IMHO the classiest brand of automobile
ever produced.  I'm by no means an expert, but I've played with
Oldsmobiles a long time, so I might be of some help to someone.

Sorry if I wasted your bandwidth.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:02:02 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: Lansing pictures

Bill,

Thanks for all the work you put in! Loved to see all the pictures.
Downloading didn't take long, just the normal (it's getting busier out there).

Offcourse scripts1.jpg is very interesting, 'cause of the "Vista Cruiser"
scripts... I'm pulling my hair 'cause I didn't give you the GM part#!

When you are all settled again, can you tell me how to contact  this
vendor?

Thanks!

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
1964 F-85 Cutlass Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:07:29 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: engines

>e: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 00:44:59 -0400 (EDT)
>From: AKOHLER@aol.com
>Subject: 
>    Just a note to all Oldsmobile lovers. GM is selling off remanufactured
>350s at a resonable price. They have two versions with A.I.R. and without
>A.I.R the price is the same. The price at the dealership I work at is
>$1619.90 plus TAX. the come with a 3 50,000 mile warranty. It wouldn't be a
>#s matching engine but it could keep the car on the rode will your rebuilding
>the original. 

I looked into this option when I was going to rebuild my 403; a rebuilt
shortblock would have been a time and moneysaver. I don't think that the
403's are available anymore.

While picking up some stuff at Pep-Boys the other day, I browsed through the
brochure they have next to their "Rebuilt Engine" display, and saw that they
listed 350's, 403's and 455's(!), though these are all likely
low-compression motors being rebuilt (applications for the 455's were from
1968-1976, all under the same part #). They also list shortblocks as well.
Oh, and it's not Pep-Boys rebuilding them, but some larger rebuilder who
they apparently have a contract with.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:07:39 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: std 455 operating temp

>What is the typical operating temp of a 455?  I have the 85 Cutlass with
>a built 455....should it run around 210-230 degress?

That's about the typical operating temperature, though not the ideal.
Ideally, you'd run 180'-190', as Olds motors tend to lose power the hotter
they get.

One point of reference, though; the "Temp" light doesn't come on until 258',
so the factory didn't think anything below that was a problem (and they were
the ones footing the bill on the repairs if the engine was damaged from
overheating, so they would be overcautious if anything).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:07:53 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Hope all enjoyed Lansing, I'm back too

Away for a week :)
Not at Lansing :(
Went on vacation to the beach :)
Car's exhaust sprung a leak the night before we were leaving :(
Getting true dual exhausts bent up for the 403 tomorrow :)
I've got to be up in 5 hours to catch a ride to the exhaust shop :(
Lots of Olds messages to catch up on :)
Lots of Olds messages to catch up on :(
Good to be back! :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 03:21:26 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!

Matt,

> Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it
> plays? I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.

When you getting it working, can you provide in wav format.  I can't
read aif format.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:53:43 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Listen to my Rocket!

I tried it, it didn't play. Netscape did not recognize the file type, 
neither did I (.aif). What program was used to record it?


Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the ....Past
Augusta, GA

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Matt Cremean [SMTP:ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu]
Sent:	Monday, August 25, 1997 7:44 PM
To:	Oldsmobile List
Subject:	Listen to my Rocket!

Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it 
plays?
I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.

http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif

- --
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoft(c) Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:12:58 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 70 442 seatbelts

A little more FWIW info.  My 70 4-4-2 uses a small buckle/latch for the
front lap belts.  The shoulder straps and the rear seat belts all use
the large buckle/latch.  This means that rear seat belt latches will
work for your shoulder belts.  I am also missing my front latches/belts
due to my youthful ignorance in 1973.  I removed the bottom halves
because they flopped about in the car.  Luckily I left the other halves
attached to the roof.  I found some belts in Lansing the correct color
with the correct latches.  The vendor would not split the set so I
passed.  The next day they were gone.  I guess I will hit the junk yards
now.  Then I will send them to Ssnake Oyle for re-webbing.  A previously
suggested good idea.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 03:38:27 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Re-send

Greg Kalkhoff wrote:
 
> http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry Nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:57:18 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 1998 OLDS NATS

At 10:03 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Dan
>
>The Northern Lights Chapter is operated out of Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
>The have a web site: http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/kpilidis/  .

I thought so, but I wasn't sure (and I didn't have a copy of JWO in front
of me).



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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:53:54 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: RE: Build Sheets

>So that's it.  You guys who are planning to restore a 1997 Cutlass 25 years
>from now, don't expect to find a build sheet.

Two thoughts:

1) The guy could be wrong -- this is someone who didn't recognize
the term "build sheet" when you gave it to him, after all, and is
certainly barraged with all sorts of factory campaigns to recycle
any and all waste, so while papers removed from the car well may 
be recycled, not all of them may be removed in total.

2) If there are no build sheets produced now, there will be none
to be missed. (I've always suspected that the equipment code list
sticker plastered in the trunk was the permanent successor to the
build sheet.) There will always be _some_ kind of obscure stationery
for us to hunt down: my P-mobile, for example, has a flimsy little
tag attached to the windshield washer reservoir with a notice about
something or other, and I keep meaning to remove it and stow it away
for safekeeping so I don't have to pay $50 to replace it at a swap
meet in twenty years' time.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 05:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: 455 Heat Stoves

The Delta 88 will have the same heat stove (and exhaust manifolds) as
a 442 if its a 455 dual exhaust model (like my 72).  Deltas with
single exhaust and all 98s have the "other" exhaust manifolds which
are just like the 350 manifolds. The heat stoves are different. 


===
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Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com




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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:01:38 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!

At 10:49 PM 8/25/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Matt Cremean wrote:
>> 
>> Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it plays?
>> I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.
>> 
>> http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif

>don't work for me. Im using Netscape 3.01. I get a blank little window
>with an "N" in it.

I got the same thing.


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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:12:07 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: RS Cent'l #1, -Thursday [long]

At 11:46 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Get my packet
> including a killer wall plaque with my number, 1193/2500! Shoot,
> shoulda registered all cars individually I guess. Nah, one's
> enough for me. 

Yes, these wall plaques are beautiful, and each is customized with your
particular registration number engraved on it.  Mine is hanging in my
office as I write this (number 247/2500).

I heard that the guy who was lucky enough to get registration number 442
was trying to sell his plaque in exchange for your plaque plus some
undetermined amount of money.  I don't know what he was asking or whether
he ever sold it.  I would guess he was not a 442 owner!

Dan


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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:32:39 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing Memories

At 05:27 PM 8/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>The other thing that struck me was the way that Oldsmobile "culture" 
>permeated the city. The front page of the paper every day was 
>Olds-related, most of the locals seemed to be up on what it was all 
>about, and you were just immersed in the whole atmosphere all day. Our 
>waitress one day at lunch seemed to sum it up... she saw our Olds buttons 
>and started telling us about her '72 Cutlass. Seems like most people 
>there can tell you something similar. The people of Lansing really 
>support the company. 

I saw this same thing, but I also detected a bit of melancholy.  After 100
years in the city, Olds is moving its headquarters out of Lansing to the
Renaissance Center in Detroit (later this year, I believe).  They'll still
have the manufacturing plants, of course, but the "heart" of Oldsmobile
will no longer be there.


One other thing.  I read in the Lansing paper that the very last car to be
built by Oldsmobile as the clock struck midnight on August 20, 1997 and
thus Oldsmobile's first 100 years came to a close was an Intrigue.  The
first car to completed on August 21, 1997 and thus be the first car built
by Olds in its second century was an Aurora.  Neither car will be retained
by the company, but rather will be sold to the public like any other car.
They will, however, come with a special certificate proclaiming their
signficance.  I wonder if their new ownes will appreciate them.


Dan


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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:30:07 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <3sticks@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: RS Cent'l #1, -Thursday [long]

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> 
> At 11:46 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >Get my packet
> > including a killer wall plaque with my number, 1193/2500! Shoot,
> > shoulda registered all cars individually I guess. Nah, one's
> > enough for me.
> 
> Yes, these wall plaques are beautiful, and each is customized with your
> particular registration number engraved on it.  Mine is hanging in my
> office as I write this (number 247/2500).
> 
> I heard that the guy who was lucky enough to get registration number 442
> was trying to sell his plaque in exchange for your plaque plus some
> undetermined amount of money.  I don't know what he was asking or whether
> he ever sold it.  I would guess he was not a 442 owner!
> 
> Dan
> 
> **************************************
> Daniel A. Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> **************************************

The guy your refering to we heard was asking $100.00 believe-it-or-not.
Mine is 2218/2500, and I wouldn't part with it for anything!


- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *                                   
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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