
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, August 20 1997      Volume 01 : Number 811



Re: Painting Experiences -  LONG
Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: Olds extravaganza - Media
Re: Headliners (long)
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
SB-42 and SB-807
Re: Repo OAI hoods...
Deltas, old digests and questions-longish
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI 
Thanks for tire info
Re: Thanks for tire info
RE: Painting Experiences
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
Re: Don''t Give Up
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI
Re: Left to bring up the rear.....
Re: Thanks for tire info
Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish
Re: Thanks for tire info
Re: Questions about Build Sheets again....
Re: Cam recommendation
Re: Got whooped!
On the road again
Re: Olds extravaganza - Media
unsubscribe
Re: Cam recommendation
Re: Cam recommendation
Re: Instructions for install. of console in 80's Cutlass... an offer....
Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish
Re: On the road again
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: Build Sheets
Greetings from LANSING !
Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:05:32 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Painting Experiences -  LONG

Hey Kevin,

> BTW, I have 2 cars with Sikkens paint, and even after 10
> years on one, there hasn't been any noticeable degradation.

Did this paint have lacquer or clear-coating on it?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:14:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

I picked up a dual Snorkel Air cleaner recently.   It is black and doesn't 
have a label on it.  I know it is off of an Oldsmobile, because it is 
identical to both of my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners with the exception 
of having an extra snorkel and being black.  The Snorkel on the left looks 
exactly like the one on my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners, and the one on 
the right is slightly shorter.  Can anyone tell me anything about it, like 
what it might have come off of?  I don't think it is intended for force air 
induction because the end of the snorkels look just like those off my 
regular air cleaners and don't appear like they're supposed to have hoses 
attached to them.

Thanks a bunch,

  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
 Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme
'69 Cutlass S Convertible
'69 4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:21:21 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Olds extravaganza - Media

Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA wrote:

> Hello out there in Olds land!

Hello!

> The Convoy has a PR crew from Oldsmobile travelling with them who are
> filming as they go.  The film is the property of Oldsmobile, and at this
> point, no-one seems to know what will be done with it.  Hopefully, it and
> film of the whole celebration event will be made into a video amd made
> available at a nominal sum.

I hope so!

> Anyway, on the 16th, the 20th anniversary of Elvis' death, the PR crew came
> to Dave and said that they decided that his red/white '55 98 Holiday coupe
> was the one car of the 50 or so on the convoy at that point that Elvis would
> most like to be seen in!  So...they got an Elvis look-alike (or dress-up) to
> drive the car a short distance and filmed it!

That is funny!  Ah-huh! (Elvis quote)

> To boot, on the 18th in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Dave's car was the first shot on
> their evening news.  They did a short piece on the caravan and the Olds
> event.  So, Dave is feeling pretty happy about the car, and it really does
> look pretty spiffy and flashy in its new paint job.

I have seen nothing on TV here in Los Angeles, CA area.  Pisses me off!

> Dave says travelling in the convoy is quite an experience.  Yesterday was a
> slow day (not much over 30 mph he claims!) and they went through a lot of
> little towns.  Apparently, people were out on their lawn is droves,
> cheering, watching , waving flags, etc!  I sure am sorry that my health got

I don't know about the rest of you, this last bit pooled tears in my
eyes.

> in the way of being able to go with him on this epic journey, but am looking
> forward to seeing their tapes and pix of it all.

That is unfortunate.  I hope you get to feeling better.  Maybe those,
especially
from the list, that are recording the event, aside from Oldsmobile PR,
can get
together to make a tape for posterity.  I sure would like a tape(s) :-)
recapping
the events that I couldn't attend.  Boy all this talk is making me sad!

Later...

Chris Sparks :=(

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:26:55 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Headliners (long)

I just wanted to add my two cents worth in hopes of saving someone lots of
dollars and headaches, so here are a couple of pointers that have helped
me.
Mary Jones
'66 Delta 88 

> Continue until all the bows are released & take the headliner out of the
> car.  

Please be sure to mark the holes----a scratch is better than a marker which
might bleed thru.
> 
> W/the new headliner & it's properly installed bows, it is time to put the
> new headliner into the car by snapping the bows into their proper places.
> ook the bows undr any tabs that you bent down to remove the bows.  Don't
put
> any holes into the headliner for trim, sunvisors, or anything else as
yet.
This cannot be overemphised!!!

> The headliner must now be glued onto the metal just as the factory did it
> around the edges of the roof.  The glue is rather quick drying & will
hold
> everything in place easily one step at a time.

It may help to mark the headliner center with chalk(if not already done) 
and mark the center front and back of top of roof.  Then match
centers--this helps to keep the headliner from twisting.
Personally I prefer to do front first and back second with the sides last,
so as to not twist it.

> I usually begin at the front of the car first.  put glue onto the metal,
> wait a moment, & begin pressing the headliner across the windshield
header.
> There should be some extra material that will be cut later by razor
blade.
> Get it nice & taught across the windshield header.  Don't get glue all
over
> you & then onto the headliner.
> 
> My next step is the sides & pulling  everything nice & taught.  The rear
> window area is last.  It is not hard to pull something loose if you have
to
> to get everything nice & tight.  A fogging of water from a spray bottle &
> then use of a hair dryer will take care of any small wrinkle problems.
> 
> When satisfied, trim the extra headliner material & replace all of the
trim.
> Some holes will have to be made in the headliner for the sunvisors &
screws.
> The awl & a razor blade will handle this, but be careful. 
Also try using a LONG sewing needle. This will locate a hole and not make a
new one in the headliner---also an X instead of a round hole helps reduce
the "made the hole too big" problem and will still let a screw go in and
not catch the fabric.

 I hope that you
> didn't do this outside in the heat.  Choose a cool day or use a
> garage/carport/barn.
> 
> I'm sorry that this was so long & I hope that it helps.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >I will need a new headliner in the 1972 4-4-2 I am working on. I have
had
> >allot of people tell me not to try do put it in myself. Has anybody put
a
> >headliner in. I understand if I got one from Year One they would send
> >directions along with it. What is anybody thoughts or advice on this?
> >
> >
> 

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

>>>a quote most suitable for this whole matter,  from 1 of the better movies
from the 80's.....LIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BERNIE SEGEBADE
CRANFORD NJ               ROCKET POWER------ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:43:40 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

> I picked up a dual Snorkel Air cleaner recently.   It is black and
doesn't 
> have a label on it.  I know it is off of an Oldsmobile, because it is 
> identical to both of my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners with the
exception 
> of having an extra snorkel and being black.  The Snorkel on the left
looks 
> exactly like the one on my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners, and the one
on 
> the right is slightly shorter.  Can anyone tell me anything about it,
like 
> what it might have come off of?  I don't think it is intended for force
air 
> induction because the end of the snorkels look just like those off my 
> regular air cleaners and don't appear like they're supposed to have hoses

> attached to them.
> 
> Jeff,

	These air cleaners are dime a dozen - no real value. However, stop
what you are doing end IMMEDIATELY, put it in a box and ship it to me.

				The General

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Date: 20 Aug 1997 11:13:54 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: SB-42 and SB-807

I urge you as a constituent of the state of California to pass both
SB-42 and SB-807 through your assembly appropriations committee.  I
understand that you have placed SB-42 in the "suspense" file due to the
bill recieving a 8-8 vote when it needed a 3 vote majority to pass.  I
also understand that you wish to alter SB-807 to make its legislation
more like SB-772s.  I urge you to pass SB-807 unaltered, as this is the
wish of MANY of your constituents in this state.  If you choose not to
follow the wishes of your constituents, we will be MORE than happy to
find someone else to represent us when your term as
assemblywoman/Chairwoman of the Assembly Appropriations committee is
through.

If you forget which senate bills are which, SB-42 is the bill that would
exempt cars 25 model years or older from the smog check.

SB-772 would eliminate the functional aspect of the smog test, and limit
the visual test to only emcompass certain engine parts.

SB-807 would make a list of vehicles by model year and engine
information to show which are the gross polluters, but before this
happens the smog test mustbe failable by tailpipe emissions only.

Remember, the internet is a very useful tool.  Word can spread like
wildfire in a VERY short time.

Mike Jones
Livermore, California

P.S.  Remember the wishes of your constituents, and not the wishes of
the Department of Consumer Affairs, the CARB, and the USEPA, which in my
opinion are "taking the wrong road" to cleaning up pollution from
internal combustion engines.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 03:48:15 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Repo OAI hoods...

Brad, from what I hear about those reproduction hoods, you don't want 
one!  (unless your car is just a every day driver & you need a hood) 
Everyone of those repro hoods i've seen doesn't fit well at all, plus 
there was no "center latch".  The hood is held down by the two "turn" 
hold downs.  I suggest you try & find another "original" hood.  If there 
is other options, I'm unaware of them.  
Hopefully someone else might have better advice or know another solution. 
 
Good Luck!  : (let's hear that story sometime once the anger and 
frustration wear off a little)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:39:32 -0500
From: "LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Subject: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

<creeps out from hiding>  Lookie I'm still here  :) 

But anyway, I've been really quite mostly because I've been *trying* to
catch up reading all the digests that kept piling up behind me from my 3
day vacation :) 

Okay I *do* remember that someone was looking for an antanna for a 68?
Delta...I've got one in my trunk, I think it's straight with no bends in it, If
your not at lansing send me an email and I'll crawl back there and take a
look and see if it's what yer lookin for :)

About the low discussion on Deltas and the other beasts, I don't know
why either.  I keep wanting to get everything in great working order so
when some teeny look-at-my-fast-car person pulls up next to me I can
toast them with my superhuge n heavy ghost barge, er car (ha, ha ignore
me will ya <spaff>)  <big grin> Sorry, I tend to get a bit carried away at
times :)  My only problem is that I really want to fix up Pook, but then part
of me wants to try and not put everything into it because my hearts
dream is a 66 Dynamic 88 convertable <sigh>  I guess that's part of why I
joined this list, partly to get quick questions answered but also so when I
finally start doing some repairs myself I have somebody to come crying to
when I mess it all up <chuckle> 

Of course this brings me to another thing.  Does anyone still here know
where I can buy those repair books for my car?  Not Chilton, but the good
ones <grin>  All I can find here are for newer olds and 70's Cutless  :\  I'd
also like recommendations on *any* 'dummies' mechanic books for the car
and suggestions for body work manuals (since I can't seem to find a
class that teaches that sorta thing around here - where *does* someone
go to learn bodywork???).  The body repairs on the car are *mostly*
pretty simple and I figgured that, while I'd be deathly afraid of doing
something major like taking out the back window and essentially rebuilding
part of the opening (really bad rust right there), that I could do some of the
simpler things like getting rid of the surface rust and priming over those
spots, maybe trying to pull the dents (though the thought of drilling a hole
in the car gives me the shivers cause I don't want to mess it up).

Alain - I have absolutly *no* idea about the suspention, I was horribly
thrilled to learn how to change my own oil <grin>  But anyway if you get it
figgured out tell me, I'd like to know too.  Similarly, I'm going to be getting
my springs and shocks replaced next chance I get (I know the springs
are original <ick>) What are some good suggestions for both springs and
shocks (struts, whatever...never did figure out the differance yet
<grin>)?  I need something good because right now my ground clearance
is about 8 inches...unfortunatly lower in some places....namely my brand
new crossover pipe is getting scraped all over the city and I'm afraid that
it's going to get a hole in it (if it hasn't already).

I'm sure there were a few other things I was going to catch up on, but
I've seem to forgotten <sigh>  Oh well, I guess it'll give me something to
talk about later <grin>

Laura
66 Delta 88...Pook the ghost car
Bryan, TX  (soon to be Dallas, TX <cheer>)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:12:05 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

I'm happy for you! (so happy I just opened a beer to help you celebrate) What 
a find!  Me, i'm still looking for mine but after reading your post, i'm off 
to the garage to "crack open" the seats! :)

Hope I find mine someday.  Thanks for letting us know about that unusual place 
for the build sheet!

Anyone else have other weird places to find a sheet?  

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:02:57 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI 

I have a MSD-6AL, blaster 2 coil, Mallory unilite vacuum advance dist., and AC delco R45S plugs at .040, 
but I have a built 350.  I'm using about 12 degrees idle  (was 14, but started to ping under WOT) and the 
stock advance is 28 degrees over that.  It all comes in at about 2800 rpms.  Just give it more and more 
initial advance until you start pinging and back her down a couple degrees.

- -greg


Brian Kennedy wrote:
> 
> I am runnig a MSD-6AL in my 85 Cutlass outfitted with a 455 that has all
> the "bells and whistles" from Mondello and Summit.  The CR is about
> 9.7:1 & I have Accel U-groove plugs gapped at .055.  My Ignition coil is
> a Accel super coil.  I have mech advance and vacuum advance.  My
> question:
> What is a good idle timing degree mark?
> What should it be at 1000 RPM?
> What should the total timing figure be?
> Anyone who is running the MSD-6A/6AL and has a similar configuration or
> experience on this type of setup..please lend a hand.
> Thanks in advance,
> Brian Kennedy
> Yuma, AZ

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:29:02 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Thanks for tire info

Just wanted to thank everyone that responded to "Opinions About Tires".

There were many suggestions and comments that helped me decide what to 
do.  Now I will soon be getting fresh rubber.  I think i'll go with BF 
Goodrich P235/60/14 (raised white letter) 

Not a stock size, but I think this is a happy median between 
performance/ride & a "stockish" look without going too wide.

:) 

Thanks again guys!  See you in Lansing Friday & Saturday.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. 

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

- ---mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Just wanted to thank everyone that responded to "Opinions About
Tires".
> 
> There were many suggestions and comments that helped me decide what
to 
> do.  Now I will soon be getting fresh rubber.  I think i'll go with
BF 
> Goodrich P235/60/14 (raised white letter) 
> 
> Not a stock size, but I think this is a happy median between 
> performance/ride & a "stockish" look without going too wide.
> 
> :) 
> 
> Thanks again guys!  See you in Lansing Friday & Saturday.
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt. 
> 
***************************
      NO! Don't put tires that short on a 71 A-body! If you have to
have 60 series tires then get P24560R14s. Nobody makes a bigger 60
series tire than the 245, which is still too short as compared to the
original G70-14s. BFG still makes (although I heard they might be
discontinued) a P23570R14 that looks right. 22570R14s are still
available and although a little short they still look OK. Of course if
you use 15" wheels and 24560R15s the height is there to fill the
wheelwell.
     Use this formula to figure tire section width (the widest part of
the tire, not necessarily the tread width)  and overall height:
((section width in MM x .039) X (aspect ratio) X2) + rim diameter

examples P23570R14     9.165 wide  26.83 tall
                P23560R14     9.165 wide  24.99 tall
                P24560R14     9.555 wide  25.47 tall 
                P24560R15     9.555 wide  26.47 tall

P.S.   I have a 72 vintage G7014 Uniroyal Tiger Paw tire. When I get
it mounted I'll measure it's diameter and post it if anyone cares. I
also have a 71 vintage G78 14 which I'll also measure.
===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com



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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 15:48:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: RE: Painting Experiences

> Hey Kevin, you said you cars are Sikkens painted. Who did your cars?

M & D Autobody, 260 Midwest Rd. Unit #5, Scarborough,  759-5810.
Also, a friend's '77 Custom Cruiser was painted there around 1992.
Earlier this year, due to an accident, the driver's side rear door was
replaced.  They did a great job blending in the light blue metallic
base-clear paint.

> Did this paint have lacquer or clear-coating on it? 

It is a urethane paint, finished with a clear coat.  Basecoat-clearcoat
technology has changed markedly since 1987, and today's formulations
claim to have a deeper, richer shine.  The other car, my '80 Fleetwood, is
white; I decided that a one stage paint was all that was necessary.  The
above mentioned Custom Cruiser is parked outside, and with minimal
care, has withstood a chronic bird-dropping problem without showing any
signs of acid damage.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:03:06 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
> 
> IHey Steve,
> >         how about scanning the build sheet and sending it to Bryceman to
> > put in on the Olds web page. I for one  would love to see what a W30
> > build sheet looks like. BTW congratulations I know the feeling...
> 
> I second that motion!  I have never seen a build sheet before.
> 
> I'll give that a try,  give me a couple of days.  Acutally however it's not
> all that dramatic.  It's a small peice of paper about 3" x 8".  It gives the
> build date, body style, body serial No., exterior paint code, trim code and
> lists the options on the car.  My particular car has only 3 options.  They
> are A01 (Softray Tinted WIndows), U80 (Rear Speaker) & W30 (Performance
> Package).
> 
> Steve Dietrich
>   71 442 W30 Conv.
>     S/E PA
Steve, 

What else did you need?  A good radio (?), tinted glass and a lot of
go!  Sounds like a good combo to me.

Don 
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:16:58 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> I'm happy for you! (so happy I just opened a beer to help you celebrate) What
> a find!  Me, i'm still looking for mine but after reading your post, i'm off
> to the garage to "crack open" the seats! :)
> 
> Hope I find mine someday.  Thanks for letting us know about that unusual place
> for the build sheet!
> 
> Anyone else have other weird places to find a sheet?
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
RC,

I found one in a most unusual spot, the glove compartment.  How do you
think they screwed it up that bad?

Don 
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:20:12 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

Brian Kennedy wrote:
> 
> I am runnig a MSD-6AL in my 85 Cutlass outfitted with a 455 that has all
> the "bells and whistles" from Mondello and Summit.  The CR is about
> 9.7:1 & I have Accel U-groove plugs gapped at .055.  My Ignition coil is
> a Accel super coil.

Brian,

	When I got my MSD 6-AL, the instructions, (which do change), rcommended
a copper core plug, specifically mentioning Champion and Autolite and
said NOT to use Split Fire or any other specialty plug.  Having said
that, a friend of mine is running the exact same setup right down to the
coil and plugs that you are.  I think he gapped his plugs out to .050
though.  Anyway, his coil is getting so hot he can't touch it and the
engine begins to misfire.  He swears all of his grounds and connectors
are solid.  Have you experienced any trouble like this?  I was thinking
of recommending a spark plug change until I saw your note.

As far as timing goes, I already put a saga out to a man, (who didn't
necessarily ask for it), on timing.  It had something to do with a
mileage increase as a result of recurving the distributor advance.  If
you haven't already seen it, let me know and I'll send you a copy
privately, (don't want to bore anyone :-)

Dave

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:31:48 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Don''t Give Up

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > the bare bones but never found the build sheet.  I have almost completed
> > restoration of all the components to the car and began tearing down the seats
> > when there it was,  behind the plastic back of the passenger side seat,
> > hogged ring onto the springs.  What a find tonight.  I think I'll go get a
> > good stiff drink to celebrate.
> >
> > Thought I share this just in case someone was having the same problem, or
> > someone cares.
> >
> > Steve Dietrich
> >   71 442 """""W30""""" Conv.
> Congratulations.  I hope when I get to work on my Cutlass's and 442 the
> build sheet magically appears.  The 442 is a 72 Hurst hdtp, but the
> other two are 350 4bbl conv.

I found the build sheet for my 75 H/O under the carpet on the rear
drivers side floor.  Unfortunately years of leaking t-tops destroyed it
beyond recognition.  I have yet to find one in my 80 442....my guess it
that it is on top of the gas tank. The first thing I did when I bought
my Impala SS was to remove the build sheet :-)
- -- 

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:28:15 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

mrada wrote:
> 
> Brian Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > I am runnig a MSD-6AL in my 85 Cutlass outfitted with a 455
> 
> Ignorance time!  What is this MSD... ?
> 
> Chris Sparks

Chris,

	MSD/Autotronic Controls Corporation is the name of a company which
makes ignition enhancing electronics for automotive applications.  The
6-Al mentioned in this memo is a multispark device that takes the place
of your points or electronic ignition.  It amplifies the spark and
actually fires 4 times (pulses) per combustion stroke.  It greatly
reduces unbunrt fuels and increases power, especially under load.  The
other benefits like fuel economy, etc, etc follow as well, provided the
motor is otherwise healthy and you have your timing and carbueration
dialed in.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 16:32:49 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 455 timing:MSD-6AL & HEI

Markintime@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hey Chris,
> The MSD stands for "Multiple Spark Discharge".  

Wow.  That makes sense.  Pretty misleading though, since not all of the
MSD ignitions are multispark devices, (ie., MSD-5).  I guess if you got
something good, you go with it!

:-)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:43:57 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Left to bring up the rear.....

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> Well, here we are, most of the others have packed up and gone to the
> front and left us unfortunate ones here to fend for ourselves.  I do
> believe, however, there is still enough talent left on the list while
> others are gone to be able to handle most anything that comes up.  I
> will, as always, try to help out when I can.  It's like when the boys go
> off to war, some of us have to stay at the homefront to keep things in
> order till they get back.  At least if we run into a real stumper, we
> can always repost next week when the masses return.
> 
> With that said, I hope that everyone going to Lansing has a safe trip,
> has a great time, and brings back many stories and experiences to
> share.  I know I'll be wincing though, hearing about the good time I,
> and many others here, have missed.  For those living in or near Lansing,
> you get the best of both worlds.(Hint: Keep us informed!)
> 
> Here's to the homefront, and let's keep the list active, if possible.
> We can still have a good time here!!
> 
> Mike Rothe

Don't worry. I'm going tomorrow and taking LOTS OF FILM!!! I'll post
them on my web page if you'd like. ANY REQUESTS as to what cars I should
shoot?

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:41:49 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

>BFG still makes (although I heard they might be
>discontinued) a P23570R14 that looks right.

This tire is most definitely discontinued. I spent two weeks looking for
BFG 235/70s for a 14" rim. Many phone calls, several special orders and no
luck. When I finally found a customer service number for Uniroyal, who now
owns the rights to BFG tires, I was informed that there was nothing close
to that width in a 70 series currently under production. So, I went with
the P245 60 R14. They look quite beefy and do a decent job of filling the
wheel well. I have not had the opportunity to put them through their paces
yet. However, from what I have heard on this thread and the BFG RT/A
reputation I am confidant they will perform well.

Ray
Alexandria, VA
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 Conv.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:45:16 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

LAURA D. STEINKE wrote:
> 
> <creeps out from hiding>  Lookie I'm still here  :)
> 
> But anyway, I've been really quite mostly because I've been *trying* to
> catch up reading all the digests that kept piling up behind me from my 3
> day vacation :)
> 
> Okay I *do* remember that someone was looking for an antanna for a 68?
> Delta...I've got one in my trunk, I think it's straight with no bends in it, If
> your not at lansing send me an email and I'll crawl back there and take a
> look and see if it's what yer lookin for :)
> 
> About the low discussion on Deltas and the other beasts, I don't know
> why either.  I keep wanting to get everything in great working order so
> when some teeny look-at-my-fast-car person pulls up next to me I can
> toast them with my superhuge n heavy ghost barge, er car (ha, ha ignore
> me will ya <spaff>)  <big grin> Sorry, I tend to get a bit carried away at
> times :)  My only problem is that I really want to fix up Pook, but then part
> of me wants to try and not put everything into it because my hearts
> dream is a 66 Dynamic 88 convertable <sigh>  I guess that's part of why I
> joined this list, partly to get quick questions answered but also so when I
> finally start doing some repairs myself I have somebody to come crying to
> when I mess it all up <chuckle>
> 
> Of course this brings me to another thing.  Does anyone still here know
> where I can buy those repair books for my car?  Not Chilton, but the good
> ones <grin>  All I can find here are for newer olds and 70's Cutless  :\  I'd
> also like recommendations on *any* 'dummies' mechanic books for the car
> and suggestions for body work manuals (since I can't seem to find a
> class that teaches that sorta thing around here - where *does* someone
> go to learn bodywork???).  The body repairs on the car are *mostly*
> pretty simple and I figgured that, while I'd be deathly afraid of doing
> something major like taking out the back window and essentially rebuilding
> part of the opening (really bad rust right there), that I could do some of the
> simpler things like getting rid of the surface rust and priming over those
> spots, maybe trying to pull the dents (though the thought of drilling a hole
> in the car gives me the shivers cause I don't want to mess it up).
> 
> Alain - I have absolutly *no* idea about the suspention, I was horribly
> thrilled to learn how to change my own oil <grin>  But anyway if you get it
> figgured out tell me, I'd like to know too.  Similarly, I'm going to be getting
> my springs and shocks replaced next chance I get (I know the springs
> are original <ick>) What are some good suggestions for both springs and
> shocks (struts, whatever...never did figure out the differance yet
> <grin>)?  I need something good because right now my ground clearance
> is about 8 inches...unfortunatly lower in some places....namely my brand
> new crossover pipe is getting scraped all over the city and I'm afraid that
> it's going to get a hole in it (if it hasn't already).
> 
> I'm sure there were a few other things I was going to catch up on, but
> I've seem to forgotten <sigh>  Oh well, I guess it'll give me something to
> talk about later <grin>
> 
> Laura
> 66 Delta 88...Pook the ghost car
> Bryan, TX  (soon to be Dallas, TX <cheer>)

I thought it would be hard to find service manuals for my 65 Jetstar I
but I went to a swap meet up here in MI and found a set of original 65
Olds Body & Chassis Manuals for $35.  They weren't pretty, but they were
in one piece and fully useable. (another dealer who specialized in
Automotive Literature wanted $150 for a set that looked as if they just
came off the printing press).  All I can say is look around at swaps or
go to your local Olds Dealers, they may have them or be able to get
orig. or reprints.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:57:35 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

>      NO! Don't put tires that short on a 71 A-body! If you have to
>have 60 series tires then get P24560R14s. Nobody makes a bigger 60
>series tire than the 245, which is still too short as compared to the
>original G70-14s. BFG still makes (although I heard they might be
>discontinued) a P23570R14 that looks right. 22570R14s are still
>available and although a little short they still look OK. Of course if
>you use 15" wheels and 24560R15s the height is there to fill the
>wheelwell.
>     Use this formula to figure tire section width (the widest part of
>the tire, not necessarily the tread width)  and overall height:
>((section width in MM x .039) X (aspect ratio) X2) + rim diameter
>
>examples P23570R14     9.165 wide  26.83 tall
>                P23560R14     9.165 wide  24.99 tall
>                P24560R14     9.555 wide  25.47 tall
>                P24560R15     9.555 wide  26.47 tall
>
>P.S.   I have a 72 vintage G7014 Uniroyal Tiger Paw tire. When I get
>it mounted I'll measure it's diameter and post it if anyone cares. I
>also have a 71 vintage G78 14 which I'll also measure.
>===
>John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
>Network Installation Team
>Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland
>
>JSPajak@rocketmail.com
>_____________________________________________________________________
>Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

I get:

P235/70-R14     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 26.95 (684.6 MM)
P235/60-R14     section height: 5.55 (141.0 MM), diameter: 25.10 (637.6 MM)
P245/60-R14     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 25.57 (649.6 MM)
P245/60-R15     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 26.57 (675.0 MM)

I seem to be about 1/10 of an inch short... In my calculations, I mean...

Any suggestions??? Could be that 0.039 should be 0.03937 (1/25.4).

=======================================================================
#include <stdio.h>

float sizes[] = { 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 205, 215, 225, 235, 245, 255, 0
};
float profiles[] = { 50, 60, 70, 75, 78, 80, 0};
float diameters[] = {13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 0};

int main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
    int i, j, k;
    float sec_height, radius;
    float Oprofile, Osize, Odiameter, Otarget;
    int diff, max_diff;

    sscanf(argv[1], "P%f/%f-R%f", &Osize,&Oprofile,&Odiameter);
    sscanf(argv[2], "%d", &max_diff);
    printf("Original size:
P%d/%d-R%d\t",(int)Osize,(int)Oprofile,(int)Odiameter
);
    Otarget = ((((Osize * Oprofile) / 100) / 25.4) + (0.5 * Odiameter)) * 2.0;
        printf ("Original Target: %.2f\n", Otarget);

    for(i=0; sizes[i] > 0; i++)
        for (j=0; profiles[j] > 0; j++)
            for (k=0; diameters[k] > 0; k++) {
                if (diameters[k] != Odiameter) continue;
                sec_height = (sizes[i] * profiles[j])/100;
                radius = (sec_height / 25.4) + (0.5 * diameters[k]);
                diff = abs((int)((Otarget - (radius * 2.0)) * 10));
                if (diff < max_diff) {
                    printf("P%d/%d-R%d\t",
                    (int)sizes[i],(int)profiles[j],(int)diameters[k]);
                     printf("section height: %.2f (%.1f MM), diameter: %.2f
(%.1
f MM)\n",
                    sec_height/25.4,sec_height,radius*2.0,(radius*2.0*25.4));
                }
    }
}
=======================================================================



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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:51:08 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Questions about Build Sheets again....

NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
> 
.

> Anyway, If anybody who has a W-40 or a W-41 out there that has found their
> build sheet please, I beg you, tell me where!

Cecil, I find alot of build sheets in these cars under the front seats
between the cushion and springs. Also found one inside the door on a 91
Ciera. 

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********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:59:22 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Cam recommendation

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> Check out the Edelbrock cam.  They have some dyno graphs on their web
> site
> (http://www.edelbrock.com) that show a 350 olds making 350 hp.  Pretty
> impressive!  Lose the headers and performer RPM intake on their test
> engine
> in favor of manifolds and a performer intake, and I'll bet you're still
> up
> in the 250-300hp range.
> 
> Tom Lentz
> tlentz@ior.com

I have the exact links on my page. And, what is the point of only using
the cam? Why not just spend the whole $550 and get the intake and carb?
It'll give you more power. Now, if you don't have that kind of money to
throw around, it's understandable. But, I've been saving all summer for
what I'm going to do to my 350 this winter. So far, I have almost $1400
in the bank just waiting to be spent........

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:01:56 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Got whooped!

mrada wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Yesterday I was beaten pretty badly by a toyota supra, 1980's vintange.
> Of course I was driving the 82 DRB.  Did something a little stupid which
> I hope doesn't kill my car.  I normally drive the gears instead of
> letting Mr. Automatic do it for me.  I had engine up to 70 mph in
> second which I panic-strickenly (word?) shifted to third.  I don't
> normally push a car to its limit like this.  I hope I didn't screw up
> my tranny.  Now if I were driving the 4-4-2, I would have given the
> toyota "such a beaten".  Oh well, ya can't win 'em all.
> 
> Chris Sparks

Yeah, I whooped on a M*rcury C*ugar last night...twice. He got me off
the line, but I had wheel spin from hell when I stalled 'er out at 1500.
By 60 I passed him. Pshht, Lo-Po 5.0's!

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:20:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chad Michael Tearney <tearney@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: On the road again

Hey all
	Well, it's almost been three months since my accident, and the
Olds is just about finished.  Just waiting for the rest of the parts to
arrive (ups), and it will be ready to go.  One question though.  I need to
get in touch with American Racing Custom Wheels directly, does anyone know
the number to call, I can't seem to find it anywhere.  It would help a
bunch.

Chad Tearney
67' Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 97 15:20:28 PDT
From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: Olds extravaganza - Media

Hello again...

Another phoned report from hubby Dave in Lansing!  All went well, and as
reported, Michigan roads are apparently VERY rough.  Opening ceremonies was
apparently very impressive with all caravan vehicles parading in front of
the ceremonials.  Traffic from Tinley Park to Lansing seemingly horrendous.

Now that the problem is resolved, another funny little episode on Dave's
journey east...Three days out of Vancouver, he discovers that on cleaning
out his wallet prior to departure, he misplaced his driver's license in the
wrong pile, and subsequently left in here at home!  Good, no driver's
license and in another country to boot!  Anyway, the next day I was able to
fax him a copy to his motel, and mail it out to him at his motel in Lansing.  
He received it on arrival there.

In addition, his travelling mate left all his maps at home -- he who told
Dave not to get maps as he had them all!  And, on arrival in Lansing, his
room reservation at Motel 6 was screwed up and cancelled (Al's that is), but
he screamed loud enough they managed to come up with the room they had
cancelled on him yesterday!  Lucky, lucky.  Al, however, did also have a bit
of difficulty with a master cylinder in his '71 Toro in Sioux City, Iowa
which they were able to replace in Fort Dodge, fortunately.  

On the whole, things not going too badly for the B. C. pair!  I wanna be
there!  |-(  Just like the rest of you stay-at-homes.

Sherry Soball
Delta, B. C.
B. C. Oldsmobile Club
email:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca
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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:14:38 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Cam recommendation

> Check out the Edelbrock cam.  They have some dyno graphs on their web
> site
> (http://www.edelbrock.com) that show a 350 olds making 350 hp.  Pretty
> impressive!  Lose the headers and performer RPM intake on their test
> engine
> in favor of manifolds and a performer intake, and I'll bet you're still
> up
> in the 250-300hp range.
> 
> Tom Lentz
> tlentz@ior.com

I agree with Tom that Edelbrock makes good stuff.  If options are
desireable, you might want to look at the HMV 260 by Crane, P/N
270-803902.  It is a dual profile grind that is supposed to be optimal
for Olds applications.  A friend of mine runs this cam in his '70 Omega
with the aforementioned Performer intake and 600 CFM Edel. carb with
stock heads and compression, stock manifolds and 2 1/4" duals with a
3.08 rear.  All I can say is WOOOOPIE!  On Mr. Gasket's desktop dyno,
the 350 with pocket ported heads, 9:1 compression, small tube headers
(open, like the other companies run on their Dynos), you get 352 HP at
5500 RPM and almost 400 ft/lbs of torque from 2500 - 4500.  The cam is
rated for operation in the 1500-4500 range, but the pocket port bumps
that range up a bit.  If you want to keep the power band in the low
range, you might go ahead with your plans to build around the 252 grind
that Comp Cams puts out.  With that cam and pocket port heads, you're
making about 328 HP at 5000 RPM and torque is over 420 ft/lbs from 2000
(and lower probably) up to 4000 RPMs.  Have fun.  Tell us how she
scoots!

P.S.  The friend running the Crane is getting 18 MPG to and from work...
in the Washington D.C. area.... for those of you who don't know the
traffic here; THAT AINT HALF BAD!

:-)

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Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 17:25:53 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Cam recommendation

David McDougall wrote:
> 
> David McDougall wrote:
> >
> > > Check out the Edelbrock cam.  They have some dyno graphs on their web
> > > site
> > > (http://www.edelbrock.com) that show a 350 olds making 350 hp.  Pretty
> > > impressive!  Lose the headers and performer RPM intake on their test
> > > engine
> > > in favor of manifolds and a performer intake, and I'll bet you're still
> > > up
> > > in the 250-300hp range.
> > >
> > > Tom Lentz
> > > tlentz@ior.com
> >
> > I agree with Tom that Edelbrock makes good stuff.  If options are
> > desireable, you might want to look at the HMV 260 by Crane, P/N
> > 270-803902.  It is a dual profile grind that is supposed to be optimal
> > for Olds applications.  A friend of mine runs this cam in his '70 Omega
> > with the aforementioned Performer intake and 600 CFM Edel. carb with
> > stock heads and compression, stock manifolds and 2 1/4" duals with a
> > 3.08 rear.  All I can say is WOOOOPIE!  On Mr. Gasket's desktop dyno,
> > the 350 with pocket ported heads, 9:1 compression, small tube headers
> > (open, like the other companies run on their Dynos), you get 352 HP at
> > 5500 RPM and almost 400 ft/lbs of torque from 2500 - 4500.  The cam is
> > rated for operation in the 1500-4500 range, but the pocket port bumps
> > that range up a bit.  If you want to keep the power band in the low
> > range, you might go ahead with your plans to build around the 252 grind
> > that Comp Cams puts out.  With that cam and pocket port heads, you're
> > making about 328 HP at 5000 RPM and torque is over 420 ft/lbs from 2000
> > (and lower probably) up to 4000 RPMs.  Have fun.  Tell us how she
> > scoots!
> >
> > P.S.  The friend running the Crane is getting 18 MPG to and from work...
> > in the Washington D.C. area.... for those of you who don't know the
> > traffic here; THAT AINT HALF BAD!
> >
> > :-)
> 
> ....oh yeah!  I forgot to mention that the above part number is from
> Jeg's catalog.  I believe they are running a special, (and if not, you
> can probably talk them into it), $89 for cam, lifters and lube!  You can
> also save yourself a few $$ by purchasing a Carter AFB instead of
> Edelbrock, (it's the same thing).  Your total should be well under $500.
> 
> Dave

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 17:06:56 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Instructions for install. of console in 80's Cutlass... an offer....

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
> 
> On the same lines as the instructions for guage swaps, I'll make this offer
> to list people.  I have, in my possession....  a drawing of the "mounts"
> needed to install the center console for a Cutlass, into a car without.  It
> is for the 80's years (79 through, as far as I'm aware), and I performed mine
> on my '81 Cutlass, and the donor car was an '83 Cutlass Calais (correct model
> designation?......  <Calais that is...>).  Anyways, I currently have it on
> CAD right now, and just have to clean it up a bit, and write down some
> instructions for it.  So, anybody interested?  No charge, of course (extended
> family, you know.... <grin>).  You want it?  Drop me an e-mail at
> CRuper1@aol.com, and include your postal address, and I'll send you a copy of
> it.
> 

That'd be kinda cool, but what would be really great is that little
bracket on the tranny that holds the shift cable down by the trans-pan
bolts.  (Ya know what I'm talking about here?)  All of my "donor" cars
have been without trannys, so I am missing that bracket.  I've got two
consoles, various shifter selections, but no link at the tranny :( 
Someday, when I finally get around to installing one of 'em, that
bracket would be very helpful.  Any recommendations/part numbers to look
for?  (I know all m/c, g/p, Regal and Cutlass have the same bracket on
the floor shifter, but haven't found any in lots lately...)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:18:31 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

- ----------
> From: LAURA D. STEINKE <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish
> Date: Wednesday, August 20, 1997 2:39 PM
:)
> 
> About the low discussion on Deltas and the other beasts, I don't know
> why either.  I keep wanting to get everything in great working order so
> when some teeny look-at-my-fast-car person pulls up next to me I can
> toast them with my superhuge n heavy ghost barge, er car (ha, ha ignore
> me will ya <spaff>)  <big grin> Sorry, I tend to get a bit carried away
at
> times :)  My only problem is that I really want to fix up Pook, but then
part
> of me wants to try and not put everything into it because my hearts
> dream is a 66 Dynamic 88 convertable <sigh>  I guess that's part of why I
> joined this list, partly to get quick questions answered but also so when
I
> finally start doing some repairs myself I have somebody to come crying to
> when I mess it all up <chuckle> 
Good luck on finding one I am begaining to think I have the only 66 big car
ragtop in Texas.
 
> Of course this brings me to another thing.  Does anyone still here know
> where I can buy those repair books for my car?  Not Chilton, but the good
> ones <grin>  All I can find here are for newer olds and 70's Cutless  :\ 
I'd
> also like recommendations on *any* 'dummies' mechanic books for the car
> and suggestions for body work manuals (since I can't seem to find a
> class that teaches that sorta thing around here - where *does* someone
> go to learn bodywork???).  The body repairs on the car are *mostly*
> pretty simple and I figgured that, while I'd be deathly afraid of doing
> something major like taking out the back window and essentially
rebuilding
> part of the opening (really bad rust right there), that I could do some
of the
> simpler things like getting rid of the surface rust and priming over
those
> spots, maybe trying to pull the dents (though the thought of drilling a
hole
> in the car gives me the shivers cause I don't want to mess it up).
 Go to your local bookstore there are lots of "Do it yourself" automotive
books. You probably wont find one specificaly on Olds cars but there are
several good paint and body books that are full of info that will aply to
any car. For a service manual there will be a guy at the swap meet at
Chickasha Oklahoma that has them for about anything.(Its October 17-19 )  I
bought the body manual from him last year for  our car because it has all
the top adjustments ect in it. I dont have the service manual but most of
the stuff in there I can figure out. 

> Alain - I have absolutly *no* idea about the suspention, I was horribly
> thrilled to learn how to change my own oil <grin>  But anyway if you get
it
> figgured out tell me, I'd like to know too.  Similarly, I'm going to be
getting
> my springs and shocks replaced next chance I get (I know the springs
> are original <ick>) What are some good suggestions for both springs and
> shocks (struts, whatever...never did figure out the differance yet
> <grin>)?  I need something good because right now my ground clearance
> is about 8 inches...unfortunatly lower in some places....namely my brand
> new crossover pipe is getting scraped all over the city and I'm afraid
that
> it's going to get a hole in it (if it hasn't already).

 I'm going to do the spring thing as well as add disc brakes to our car
sometime this winter.  If you will remind me I will let you know where I
find the best buy on the parts. I already have the brakes from a 70 98.
> I'm sure there were a few other things I was going to catch up on, but
> I've seem to forgotten <sigh>  Oh well, I guess it'll give me something
to
> talk about later <grin>
We have some great events here in north Tx maybe we can let our Deltas meet
at one when you get moved.
> 
> Laura
> 66 Delta 88...Pook the ghost car
> Bryan, TX  (soon to be Dallas, TX <cheer>)
Walter 
66 Delta 88 
Bowie Tx ( 100 miles from Dallas)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 19:25:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: On the road again

On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, Chad Michael Tearney wrote:

> Hey all
> 	Well, it's almost been three months since my accident, and the
> Olds is just about finished.  Just waiting for the rest of the parts to
> arrive (ups), and it will be ready to go.  One question though.  I need to
> get in touch with American Racing Custom Wheels directly, does anyone know
> the number to call, I can't seem to find it anywhere.  It would help a
> bunch.
> 
Try

American Racing Equipment Inc
Rancho Dominguez, California 
URL: americanracing.com
or call 1-888-AR-WHEEL

Found via www.whowhere.com - searched on "American Racing"

Good luck.

Don Sugarman

BTW, I got a set of AR wheels for my '94 LSS.  Nice wheels.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:26:19 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Patton wrote:
> 
> > I picked up a dual Snorkel Air cleaner recently.   It is black and
> doesn't
> > have a label on it.  I know it is off of an Oldsmobile, because it is
> > identical to both of my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners with the
> exception
> > of having an extra snorkel and being black.  The Snorkel on the left
> looks
> > exactly like the one on my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners, and the one
> on
> > the right is slightly shorter.  Can anyone tell me anything about it,
> like
> > what it might have come off of?  I don't think it is intended for force
> air
> > induction because the end of the snorkels look just like those off my
> > regular air cleaners and don't appear like they're supposed to have hoses
> 
> > attached to them.
> >
> > Jeff,
> 
>         These air cleaners are dime a dozen - no real value. However, stop
> what you are doing end IMMEDIATELY, put it in a box and ship it to me.
> 
>                                 The General
Hey General whats the real scoop on these cleaners.  I saw two at a flea
market two weeks ago but like Jeff didn't know what they were from.  How
about sharing your knowledge with us....must be good stuff if you want
it right away or are you just having some fun at the expense of us less
informed.  Wayne

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:12:10 -0400
From: Steve Pohlmann <safetypup@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> >>>a quote most suitable for this whole matter,  from 1 of the better movies
> from the 80's.....LIGHTEN UP FRANCIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> 
> BERNIE SEGEBADE
> CRANFORD NJ               ROCKET POWER------ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY ARE WE STILL BEATING THIS DEAD HORSE ? ENOUGH SAID.

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 20:38:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Build Sheets

In a message dated 97-08-20 13:54:27 EDT, you write:

<< What are build sheets?
 
 Thanx, Jamie >>

Jamie,
  The build sheet came from the front office with the specific instructions
on which paint scheme, trim scheme and all options that are to be placed on a
car during assembly.  This sheet stays with the car from start to finish.  I
don''t know if the front office instructions were to throw these build sheets
away after assemble or if they were suppost to throw them into the final
assembled car.  Typically they were thrown into the car.  I have found them
under the carpets, under the rear seat and now actually attached to the seat.

  The build sheets also included the build date and the serial # of the car.
 These sheets are invaluable when trying to document a car, for weither
restoration or resale.

  Even if you do not plan to sell it's nice to have the build sheet for a
car.


Steve Dietrich
  71 442 W30 Conv.
     S/E PA
    

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:34:23 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Greetings from LANSING !

Anybody needing anything from LANSING information or questions, email
back, we'll be here until the 25th. I've aranged for a tie line to my
internet router back in NY. And will be checking mail whenever time
permits.

Weather is cool, rained a little on and off all day. Was able to
registered the H/O within the first 2500, got a really sharp wall
plague.

Swap meet has wide assortment of items. For the guy who was looking for
the 83-84 H/O wheels, saw one set nice condition, small scrape on edges
of two. OEM hood scoops are going for $50.00 (good price), Lightning
Rods CRAZY priced at $500.00 ! Saw three OEM spoilers $500.00 & $600.00.

Tommorow I will atempt posting digital still images from the various
events around LANSING on my site for you guys that couldn't make it
down.

Also could someone e-mail me the URL to add a subscriber to the list.

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:40:45 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

Laura I am looking for an antenna for a 68 Delta. It is the one that is
sorta teardrop shaped and has a black screw on base.

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom
Hickory NC

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:32:33 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

I know it is off of an Oldsmobile, because it is
> identical to both of my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners with the exception
> of having an extra snorkel and being black.  The Snorkel on the left looks
> exactly like the one on my other two '69 4bbl air cleaners, and the one on
> the right is slightly shorter.  Can anyone tell me anything about it, like
> what it might have come off of?  

What you have here, is possibly a semi-rare piece.  Although not as
desireable as the OAI, it most likely came off a one-year only, 71 442. 
This was the standard air cleaner.  Since there were about 7500 71 442's
made, and some of them with OAI, you can see that not a WHOLE lot of
them are around.  I have one off an old 71 442 I once owned.  It also
came with an extra 1" rocker cover breather grommet hole on the driver's
side for a total of 2. (May have a plug in it.) On the other hand, it
MAY be from a Toronado of around the same vintage, since I HEARD that
some of them had dual-snorks.  I've never been able to verify the Toro
2-inlet though (Any Toro-heads care to help here?)  The 442 did not have
a dual-snorkel air cleaner standard again until 1985 (shared early 80's
H/O units).

That's about all I know.
Mike Rothe

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