
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, October 8 1997      Volume 01 : Number 891



Re: optimum shift points for Drag Racing
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Parts/motors for sale
Re: Exhaust Manifold
Re: WHEELS: 50 Olds - reply
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: W Machines
RE: The list people and their cars
test test dont read
Re: The list people and their cars
307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
my car and I for the list
RE: list of people and cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: 69 Conv parts cars $700
RE: Junkyard '78 Delta Royale
Re: Fuel economy and Carburators
Re: W25
Re: Installed HEI
Re: The list people and their cars
The list people and their cars
Re: CAN I REPLACE MY '69 CUTLASS CLOCK WITH A RALLY PAC? 
455 rocket
RE: list of people and cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Getting off of this list
I loved my '65 VW bug! 
Re: Info on the "Seiko,Citizen,Movado 35-75% Off" Spammer
Re: The list people and their cars
Pages updated (finally)
Re: Installed HEI
People on the list
Got Digest #886; Thanks for all the offers.
RE: W-25
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: list of people and cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
The list people and their cars
Re: list of people and cars
'85 442 model kit??
everyone on the list
Re: Need stock valve covers for 71' 455
RE:List owners and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Exhaust Manifold
The list members and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: 71 Cutlass console shift cable
Re: OCA Events Calendar
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: engine rebuild questions
Re: Supreme W-25?
list and cars
[none]
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
H/O's in C&D
MCC Autofest report
Re: 455 rocket
Question?? Re: e-mails
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: 8-Track Players
Re: Supreme W-25?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: optimum shift points for Drag Racing

In a message dated 97-10-07 16:48:33 EDT, you write:

<< 
 > Actually, from what I understand, you want to shift AT your max HP    >
point.  When you shift, you will drop in RPM, down near your max > torque
point.  This way, you have the torque to pull your car, and the > HP to gain
acceleration.                                                              
 > Brad                                                                  > 70
442
 
 Not quite.  The rpm drop has nothing to do with horsepower or torque. 
 It all has to do with gear ratios in the transmission.  Yes, if you
 shift near max HP you will be nearer the max torque in the next gear,
 but how near depends upon ratio spacing.  The basic rule of thumb is,
 the more gears you have the more continuous and uninterupted the
 powerband will be.  Three speed transmissions have approximately the
 same difference from 1st to 3rd as a four speed does from 1st to 4th. 
 The difference being the four speed will have two smaller "steps" to get
 into high while the three speed has one large "step".  The 4 speeds we
 use were designed to take advantage of the engines powerband for
 performance.  The 5 and 6 speeds are capable of keeping the weenie
 engines in lesser makes at their peak better than the 4 speeds that we
 all know and love.  When Drag Racing you need to shift at or near max
 HP.  Max torque is usualy somewhere near the normal driving rpms and it
 would take a significant change in RPMs and gearing to go from peak HP
 to peak torque in one shift.
 
 Dave Wyatt
 70  4-4-2
 Real race cars have 4 speeds!
  >>

I'd really like to here more about this subject because all the race cars
I see that are really fast are automatics....My V6 A/T is faster than my
big block 4 speed.....TIM

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:56:44 -0500
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

patrick derkacz 
1969 442 conv. 
warren,michigan

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:10:20 -0000
From: "kenbacon" <kenbacon@sheltonbbs.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Ken Bacon
Dexter, MO 63841-1927
1991 Olds Cutlas Calais/Quad Four

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> From: archy van wely <usicon@pi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: The list people and their cars
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 9:22 AM
> 
> Holland
> delta 88 royale town sedan 1976
> archy van wely
> 
> ----------
> > Van: David, Terri and Rob <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
> > Aan: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Onderwerp: Re: The list people and their cars
> > Datum: dinsdag 7 oktober 1997 4:54
> > 
> > DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own.
ABC
> order.
> > > 
> > > People                                        State
> > >                                         Car or Cars
> > > Jim                                               IL
> > >                                      1970 Cutlass W31David					1971
442
> W-30 convertible
> > 					1970 Cutlass SX convertible
> > 					1971 442 Sports Coupe
> > 					1969 Camaro RS
> > 					1971 Monte Carlo
> > 					1997 Camaro Z-28 6 speed 
> > 					
> > 					greenwood,south carolina

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:03:15 -0500
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: Parts/motors for sale

Daily73@aol.com wrote:
> 
where are you located and whay are you asking for the 455 and the turbo
400?

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:20:53 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold

>That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard!!!! Carbon
>Monoxide is not an inconvenience, it is a killer.  DUH!!! 

No s**t, Sherlock...yes, CO is a killer, but driving with your windows
down ~is~ an inconvienience!

>Considering there are 3 or 4 months of winter coming up it would be >hard to have the windows down in 0 and lower temp. weather.

I meant to add "for the summer months".  Besides, why would you drive a
'66 Delta in the winter? 

Last March I had to drive a '79 GMC truck from my town to London, which
is around 250 miles.  The truck had a 454 which had two broken oil
control rings, and about 220,000 miles on it, and it went through over a
full quart of oil.  The floorboards were almost non-existent, and had
been replaced with plywood, which was starting to rot.  The exhaust? 
The truck had 'Silent Choice" on it, which allowed me to switch to open
headers on the highway.  All I had to do was crank the door windows
down, open the rear sliding window,  and run at speeds better than
70mph...that way any CO that entered the cab would be sucked out
immediately.  I'm not sure if I'd want to do it again, though...

>I'll keep looking for a replacement manifold

It must be cracked worse than I pictured it, then...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 15:22:37 PDT
From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: WHEELS: 50 Olds - reply

To BigEJ who wrote asking about rims for a '50 for radial tires:

On our '55 98, my husband bought 15" GM rims (any year seems satisfactory if
they were for radials) to mount the wide white radials that he had ordered. 
A word of caution here -- use the narrow rims, not the wide ones as
apparently they can rub inside the fender wells, particularly with a load on
the car.  He put them on almost 3 years ago and they are functioning fine,
including a recent trip from the Vancouver, B.C. area to Lansing and back! 
(about 5400 miles)

He found during restoration of the car that most GM rims fit -- e.g. he used
the spares off his '83 GM pick-up and off our '77 Pontiac wagon to move the
vehicle around during restoration.

A friend of our did not get the newer rims, and was sorry 3X over -- he used
radial tires on bias ply rims, and 3 of them split on him.  They apparently
cannot take the additional flexing of the radial tires.

Hope this info is of help.  Good luck!


p.s.  I would have e-mailed this to you privately in view of your problem
with your digests, but you didn't include your address!

Sherry Soball
B. C. Olds Club
e-mail:  soballs@douglas.bc.ca
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 15:27:41 PDT
From: <Sherry_Soball@Douglas.BC.CA>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Dave and Sherry Soball
Delta, British Columbia (Canada) which is just out of Vancouver
1955 98  Holiday 2 door coupe
1971 Cadillac Eldorado convertible
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:29:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bittybird@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

jim

1970 cutlass conv
1980 cadillac sedan deville

spingfielod,va

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:25:07 -0000
From: "kenbacon" <kenbacon@sheltonbbs.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

Beverley Horn, 
                      How nice to meet you! I to am aproud owner of an Olds
Cutlas Calais with the Quad Four. I am needing info on where to locate the
original glove box manual and any info on how to get a copy of the original
sticker for this vehicle. Any ideas? Your help would be greatly
appreciated. 

                                                                     
THANKS!!!!
                                                                           
            KRB

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> From: Beverley Horn <bhorn@tnc.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: W Machines
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 6:09 AM
> 
> >> While many members don't consider it a true W Machine.  I do own a
1991 W41
> >> Calais.
> >
> >Every performance option in Oldsmobiles stable is a W code.  Therefore,
> >it is an unwritten rule, that if your option code for your car package
> >starts with a W, then it is a performance machine.  My opinion of
> >course.  The W-30 and W-31 of old were the only ones to put that on a
> >die-cast badge and proudly wear it on the fenders.  The H/O, 442s of the
> >late 70's used decals to note their W origin, and didn't the W-41's come
> >with a decal?
> >
> >My 69 H/O is under option code W-46 (was it not a bruiser?), and the 85
> >442 is W-42, and the 71 442 was actually a Cutlass with the "standard"
> >option W-29 and all its ameneties.
> >
> >Yes, Cecil, it IMO is a W-machine.
> >
> >
> >Mike Rothe
> >
> 
>  I've got an 85 442 W-42..Love my baby
> 

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:30:34 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: The list people and their cars

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De:	NotDads442@aol.com [SMTP:NotDads442@aol.com]
Enviado el:	Martes 7 de Octubre de 1997 09:53
Para:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	RE:The list people and their cars

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:34:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: test test dont read

test test tset

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:44:06 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Steve Bento
Massachusetts

71 Cutlass S street/strip (OAI, 455, TH350, Chevy 12 bolt) 
93 Mustang LX 5.0 (Currently For Sale, I NEED a truck!!!) ;-)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:52:54 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

Does anyone know if an intake manifold for a 307 fit on top of a 350?
Thats the only way I know I can use my stock Roch. on a 350, my cars 
computer controlled...And/or is there any way to rig up an edelbrock 
3711 manifold to be used w/ a computer controlled set-up? Thanks...
John

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:00:14 -0700
From: "Anthony Marstall" <anthony.marstall@mailcity.com>
Subject: my car and I for the list

Anthony Marstall

Pittsburg KS 

1987 Oldsmobile Toronado Trofeo FE3





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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:37:11 -0400
From: "Robert K. Whitaker" <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: list of people and cars

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:33:34 -0600
From: "Travis Adams" <cashmore@imt.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Travis Adams
Montana
65 442 post

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:30:14 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Conv parts cars $700

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Was out getting 2 cars Saturday... including a '69 Cutlass Convertible...
> 
> I would rather sell as a unit that and a twin body with not much left for $700.
> Both cars, or as much as you care to cart off...
> 
>    Recent car has
> -running 350-2V motor
> -ATrans, I forget if 2-speed or 3-speed, probably 2.
> -worn buckets * console [blue]
> -good dash
> -no AC
> -NICE blue 3-spoke steering wheel, unusual design, not "wood" though.
> -12-bolt diff, presumably 3.08 open or 2.73 open
> -power top
> -trashed top, tarp top now.
> -needs 'most all interior panels.
> -bad body rust, frame looks OK with cursory inspection.
> -really nice hood
> -decklid not bad, some internal rust, on holes thru in the lip area.
> -rear 1" of LR 1/4 panel trim is smished, other is nice
> -other trims are OK except one wheel well trim.
> -5 ea. SSII wheels, 4 have trim rings, OK but not perfect condition.
> -center caps have some pitting.
> -LH remote mirror, needs rechrome or whatever.
> -map light RV mirror
> _*NO* power brakes! [weird!]
> -Drum brakes
> -Grille ~OK, not perfect, but good for looks good at first glance car.
> -Bumpers platable, lame chrome as is.
> 
> Brakes no workee, but it drove itself up on the trailer OK. :-)
> 
> That's all I can recall for now.
> 
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.eduhey chris,
	in DESPERATE need of left and right rear door panels in any 
condition...needing the inner steel pieces (top) any help would be 
GREATLY APPRECIATED....thanx..Hoagie

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:43:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: Junkyard '78 Delta Royale

On Tue, 7 Oct 1997, David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
> My '77 had this problem until I ran across some visors that were made
> out of a heavier fabric. Looks something like a celled foam. Passenger
> one has a vanity mirror - pretty neat. Found them in a heavily optioned
> '78 Bonneville. I think any visor '77 to '85 across Buick, Pontiac, Olds
> and maybe Chevy will fit correctly. If I run across some, I'll grab
> them.

Please do, if they are red... but, they aren't all the same. The '79
Caprice that my pal Brian has uses visors that don't have the center
anchors above the rear view mirror. Those kind of just float freely there. 
Mine are the kind that attach to the piece above the mirror with a couple
of rubber covered pins and have extensions above the mirror. Strange that
they'd change something like that... didn't they do the same with the '72
Cutlass as compared to earlier ones? 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:43:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fuel economy and Carburators

the carberator on a 442 and a cutlass are the same.  they are even the same
on all different engines.(455, 425, 400, 350)

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:55:05 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W25

David, Terri and Rob wrote:

> The Generalokay boys and girls...lets review our "W" performance options...W-30 442
> performance package for maximum bang for the buck(455 C.I.)..W-31 for
> F-85 and Cutlass "S" coupes those who couldn't quite swing the
> maximum(350 C.I.)..W-25 Outside Air Induction Fiberglass Hood
> performance option...W-27 special order aluminum carrier and
> cover....W-26 sports console made in combination with hurst with
> His-nhers dual gate shifter...that covers our W-Machine performance
> options that start with the letter "W"

This covers 1970, but you forgot the "W35 Spoiler, Rear-Deck-Lid Air -
coupes only".

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:52:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Installed HEI

today, i talked to a guy i know.  he said that you should change the plugs.
 supposively the hei uses different plugs.   i am not sure what kind of plugs
they are yet.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 19:50:50 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DEOVIVERE@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Tom Simmons    VA
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme SX and (soon) 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX W-32sorry if this is a dumb question....I own a 1970 cutlass SX 
convertible..and am looking at the factory feature and specification 
manual as I type this...I am looking at the SX conversion page...there 
is absolutely no mention of a W-32 performance package affiliated with 
the SX conversion package...all that I see is the Y-79 package is 
available with this conversion.....only that during the 1st 6 months of 
1970 this car came with a 320 HP 2 bbl carb and then came standard with 
the 455 365 HP...so...ENLIGHTEN ME!!!...Hoagie

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:01:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: MARKSJ@aol.com
Subject: The list people and their cars

Joel Marks
Burlington, Ontario, Canada
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
81 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:02:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: U8mymeat@aol.com
Subject: Re: CAN I REPLACE MY '69 CUTLASS CLOCK WITH A RALLY PAC? 

DO THE WIRES EXIST FOR A DIRECT HOOK-UP?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:03:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLAUDERATL@aol.com
Subject: 455 rocket

help!

have a 455 rocket oldsmobile engine.  what do you know about it.  what car
did it originally come in.  would love to overhaul this engine.  does anyone
know where i can find information on the internet about this engine?

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:05:44 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: list of people and cars

John Stolarski	

1986 Cutlass Supreme 307HO (soon to be 350)

Westminster, MD


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Steve Dietrich
S/E PA. (30miles north of Phila.)

71 442 W30 Conv.
96 V8 Ford Explorer (wife's car)
94 Tauras (Company Car)

I am changing my email address so I have unsubscribe to the list.  I will be
back on under a new email address srdiet@aol.com

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Date: 7 Oct 1997 17:16:57 -0700
From: "Mike Gardner" <Mike_Gardner@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

                      RE>>Getting off of this list                 10/7/97

Hey, I loved my '65 VW bug!  

I used a static light to time it while spinning the crank shaft with a socket
wrench.  When I slid off the Flagstaff snow packed roads, I could push it back
onto the road by myself.  I went through three motors: undo four bolts, a few
cables, and wires, drop it to the ground with a scissors jack and get a friend
to help lift the body over the motor - piece 'o cake.  That little Briggs &
Stratton looking carb never gave me any hassle.  The oil bath air filter
spared me the cost of paper filters and probably did a better job. " Solder of
Fortune" magazine even chose VW bugs over macho 4wd vehicles as the nuclear
holocaust vehicle of choice because of there maintainability and rugged
terrain drivability.  Boy, thinking about driving that '65 bug brings back
fond memories of college days!

Still...nothing like passing a bug crawling up an Arizona mountain at 35 mph
while I'm doing 75mph in my 1970 455 powered Delta 88 convertible, wind
whipping me and my honey's hair, enjoying the sunshine and tunes.  College
days are definitely over, thank God!  ; - )

Mike Gardner
'70 455 Delta 88 conv



- --------------------------------------
Date: 10/3/97 7:22 PM
To: Mike Gardner
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
In a message dated 97-10-03 21:23:00 EDT, you write:

<< VW's? I guess I missed bashing VW's......cuz I most certainly would've 
 joined in on that! >>


While we are on the topic of Beetle-bashing, you guys know that a VW puts out
something like 37 hp?  I've used lawn-mowers with more power than that!
 Anyone on the list with a 70 442 or such has a car that puts out literally
TEN TIMES the power of a Beetle.  

That's not to say that they aren't cute looking cars - my 16 year old
sister-in-law drives one and I think it's neat.  It does perhaps explain,
though, why Mr. VW-owner-former-list-member is feeling a little touchy and
defensive in the cybernetic company of all these thunderous muscle cars.
 They're just too LOUD!

Poor guy!  If his sensibilities were offended by the occasional, mild,
mocking note struck on the list, imagine how he feels with the torrent of
derision being poured out on him now.   It would have been much better to
have signed off quietly.  

Tom Simmons
71 SX and (soon) 70 SX W-32

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Date: 7 Oct 1997 17:17:31 -0700
From: "Mike Gardner" <Mike_Gardner@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Subject: I loved my '65 VW bug! 

                      I loved my '65 VW bug!                       10/7/97

Hey, I loved my '65 VW bug!  

I used a static light to time it while spinning the crank shaft with a socket
wrench.  When I slid off the Flagstaff snow packed roads, I could push it back
onto the road by myself.  I went through three motors: undo four bolts, a few
cables, and wires, drop it to the ground with a scissors jack and get a friend
to help lift the body over the motor - piece 'o cake.  That little Briggs &
Stratton looking carb never gave me any hassle.  The oil bath air filter
spared me the cost of paper filters and probably did a better job. " Solder of
Fortune" magazine even chose VW bugs over macho 4wd vehicles as the nuclear
holocaust vehicle of choice because of there maintainability and rugged
terrain drivability.  Boy, thinking about driving that '65 bug brings back
fond memories of college days!

Still...nothing like passing a bug crawling up an Arizona mountain at 35 mph
while I'm doing 75mph in my 1970 455 powered Delta 88 convertible, wind
whipping me and my honey's hair, enjoying the sunshine and tunes.  College
days are definitely over, thank God!  ; - )

Mike Gardner
'70 455 Delta 88 conv



- --------------------------------------
Date: 10/3/97 7:22 PM
To: Mike Gardner
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
In a message dated 97-10-03 21:23:00 EDT, you write:

<< VW's? I guess I missed bashing VW's......cuz I most certainly would've 
 joined in on that! >>


While we are on the topic of Beetle-bashing, you guys know that a VW puts out
something like 37 hp?  I've used lawn-mowers with more power than that!
 Anyone on the list with a 70 442 or such has a car that puts out literally
TEN TIMES the power of a Beetle.  

That's not to say that they aren't cute looking cars - my 16 year old
sister-in-law drives one and I think it's neat.  It does perhaps explain,
though, why Mr. VW-owner-former-list-member is feeling a little touchy and
defensive in the cybernetic company of all these thunderous muscle cars.
 They're just too LOUD!

Poor guy!  If his sensibilities were offended by the occasional, mild,
mocking note struck on the list, imagine how he feels with the torrent of
derision being poured out on him now.   It would have been much better to
have signed off quietly.  

Tom Simmons
71 SX and (soon) 70 SX W-32

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:35:14 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Info on the "Seiko,Citizen,Movado 35-75% Off" Spammer

- ---------
> From: Andrew C. Green <acg@dlogics.com>
> 
> Remember, DO NOT reply to this scam; they do not have your email
> address, only that of the Olds list. (Greg, I thought we closed
> this thing?) This offer is probably a complete fraud.
> 
I haven't received any spam since the list was closed. Got a lot of ~test~
post though.

Daren 

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:24:14 -0500
From: Charles Lundin <cblundin@flash.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Chuck Lundin
Texas
77 Cutlass Supreme 5mt v8-250 positraction
former:
1953 Olds Rocket 98
1955 Olds Super 88
1958 Olds Super 88

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:21:56 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Pages updated (finally)

Got pics back today.  Have my Turbo Regal page up and running, also have
a new pic of the '83 Cutlass (kindof) showing the scoop.  Hard to see,
shot in dark, but you can make it out, anyway...

Any car stereo buffs ought to check this pic out:
http://www.lyrea.com./~buehner/bigsamp.jpg

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:41:39 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Installed HEI

- ----------
> From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
>
> Went done the road to do a burnout, what a difference!  Before I could
> lay rubber until about 30mph and get a good 1-2 second chirp when I
> shifted into 2nd.  Now it layed rubber to 60mph!  The car runs smoother,
> takes off better and ~really~ runs like a bat out of hell when I punch
> at 80mph.  Take my advice, get an HEI.
I had the same experience when I put one on the '72 442 I had. I also saw
about 2.5-3 mpg increase. Play around with those plug sizes (.035-.050) the
factory gap is to wide.

Daren 

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:48:59 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: People on the list

The fleet of the Schwartz family(3 sons, me and one mom0: by Wayne
Schwartz,
Port Colborne, Ontario, Canada (near Niagara Falls)

1986 Ch*vy Cavalier
1996 Mercury Sable wagon (hers)
1990 GMC Safari
1987 Monte SS- 54,000mi, perfect original
1969 Olds 442 convert,off frame restoration- the best (mine)
1981 VW cabriolet, restored
unidentified Olds project car....any suggestions!!!

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:37:01 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Got Digest #886; Thanks for all the offers.

Thanks to Drew Senko for sending me the digest I was missing; Also thanks to
all others who offered copies of the digest. I appreciate the generosity of
the members of this list.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:39:42 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: RE: W-25

><W-25, like the other "W"'s, has meant a lot of things over the years; this
><is one of them, and I believe the only time you'll get an exterior badge
><designating the fact that the car is equipped with that option.
>
>Not quite right Doc.  My W41 Calais has silver W41 decals on the front
>fenders.

Right. I was referring only to the W-25 option. Of course, the W-30, W-31
and W-32 got fender badges or decals at some point in their history (not all
of them, though).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: 7 Oct 1997 17:32:42 -0700
From: "Mike Gardner" <Mike_Gardner@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

                      RE>>The list people and their cars           10/7/97

Mike Gardner
Arizona
'95 4wd GMC Yukon (wife's car)
'78 Chevy Caprice (workplace parking lot fighter)
'70 Olds Delta 88 455 conv (weekend pleasure car)

- --------------------------------------
Date: 10/6/97 7:08 PM
To: Mike Gardner
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.
 
People                                        State
                                        Car or Cars

Jim                                              IL
                                   1970 Cutlass W31

Jason						 VA
			1984 Cutlass Supreme Calais

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 21:14:10 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Michael R. Hall: Ortonville, Michigan

1971 Oldsmobile 442 (344871M167164, 455/TH400, Sienna, a restoration not 
yet in progress...)
   
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (3F87H2M256703, 350/TH350, Radiant Green, 
14.27@97.18)

1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser (307/TH200R4, White, the 
daily driver, future tow car and the first victim for one of those nifty 
455's I just bought <insert maniacal Dr. Oldsmobile laugh here...)

1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm (3800 V6/auto, white, the 
wife's daily driver)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 18:07:16 PST8
From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Hans Naepflin
Manhattan Beach, CA
1970 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, 242,000 miles and rolling!

Also looking for a nice black 70 sport wheel.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:00:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: FREDALL@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Ok, so I missed a few cars

Fred Allard
Barrington, RI

Acura Integra SE       1988      168,000 will it ever die. I hope not !
Oldsmobile Super 88  1957       44,000
Porsche  911T           1973       54,000   (For Sale)
Thunderbird               1959       31,000


Now its a complete list.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:54:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Peter Sliskovich
San Pedro, Cal
"CoupeKing"

'69 442 conv, getting a frame-off now
'68 442 Dry and original. Getting it's 455 rebuilt as we speak, 
           soon for paint and chrome
'67 CS, Green and white, 62K mi but needing TLC
'67 Cutlass, blue and black,nice body but worn out. Probably a donor 
            car for the CS resto
...a bunch of BMW's, a Benz, and a 'Burban

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 13:38:47 GMT
From: Wolfhaven1@centuryinter.net
Subject: The list people and their cars

Andy - Northern Ohio

69 442 W-30 Convertible (With W-30 Decals, Not badges)
94 Dodge Caravan (daily driver)
91 Plymouth Grand Voyager (daily driver)
81 F-100 pickup (trash hauler, currently with no *@@XX!!?## brakes - again!
89 Honda 1100 Shadow
64 Olds 88 convertible, in the garage loft (just misc.pieces-parts)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:47:19 -0700
From: mefco@sprynet.com
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Art Fuller - Kennedale, Texas

70 442 4 speed convt. 36,000 miles, twilight blue
70 442 4 speed hardtop, 0 miles, frame off, twilight blue
72 cutlass flattop wagon, ram air, 442 grills, ssII wheels, tilt, cruise, sport 
   wheel, rally pac, speed warning speedo, demand delay wipers. (all original,  
   of course.

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:50:09 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: '85 442 model kit??

Hello List,

I was out shopping with my girlfriend the other day, and we happened to go
into a hobby shop.  I was browsing the car models section and came across a
kit for an '86 Monte SS, made by Monogram.  I was kind of excited because I
was hoping that maybe, just maybe, there might be something available like
the '85-'87 442 or '83-'84 H/O. So I asked the guy at the counter, and he
looked in his catalog for me but nothing was listed.  His catalog was a
year old, so I know some of you guys are into the plastic models, and was
wondering if anyone has seen a kit of the "sportier" Olds G-bodies. 

I appreciate any leads on this subject.

Thanks,

 Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:58:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: everyone on the list

here is a list of everyone on the list:
cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,  johnson@edisongroup.com,
 tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
 phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,  z28cfi@gwis.com,
 ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
 dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
 trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,  jht@exo.com,
 ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,  isocon@pi.net,
 gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,  jadcock@vt.edu,
 gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
 joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
 cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
 mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
 dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
 allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,  mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
 bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,  r4c442@aol.com,
 richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
 avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,  tlentz@ior.com,
 cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,  krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
 tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
 jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
 fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
 cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
 dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
 the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
 ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
 ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
 cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com

did i leave anyone's name out?

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:29:26 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: Need stock valve covers for 71' 455

> I have a 455 in my 72 VC and only the right valve cover is notched.  This
> is essential to clear the AC.  There is no notch in the driver's side valve
> cover since there is plenty of clearance for the brake booster.  Should we
> start a thread on this :-)

There should be a notch for the driver side too. A bodies with non power
brakes even had the notch.

Danny

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:53:38 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE:List owners and their cars

Bill Reilly, Westwood, New Jersey.

Just starting my collection,
'85 Cutlass Supreme, Project Car
'83 Cutlass Ciera Brougham International, Daily Driver

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:25:02 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Daren Hendley
Davenport Iowa
'65 Dynamic 88
'89 GMC C1500 ext. cab
'93 Grand am  

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:38:00 -0400
From: Nick Lamboy <nlamboy@global2000.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Nick

New York

83 Hurst Olds

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:29:00 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold

- ----------
> From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
> I need an exhaust manifold
> for the pass. side of my 425, 2 bbl, a/c equipped 1966 Delta '88. 
What casting # or letter(whichever it's supposed to be)? I might have one
laying around somewhere.

Daren
daren@revealed.net 

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Date: 7 Oct 1997 18:37:58 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: The list members and their cars

Mike Jones
1978 Olds Delta 88 2 dr sedan (350-4V/TH350, 2.41 one-legger, edelbrock
Livermore, Ca                 performer intake, K&N filter, gauges, 84k)
Mom
1990 Olds Custom Cruiser Wagon (307-4V/TH2004R, 84k, CHP spec 235/70R15
Livermore, CA                  tires)

Dad
1985 Ford Ranger P/U           (170V6/A4LD, 280k, currently parked due
Valley Springs, CA             to second transmission failure, first
                               failed at 38k, self-rebuilt w/used case)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:08:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: ClancyErbs@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Mike Erb

Clancy, MT

69 Cutlass S convertible
70 442 Holiday Coupe (W-25)
71 Cutlass 4dr (parts car)
72 Cutlass Supreme
72 Vista Cruiser 

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:03:08 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> >> I have decided to replace my ignition system in my Cutlass. I want to
> >> know your opinions on the best ignitions. MSD? Accel? Holley? HEI?
> >> Wires? Distributors? I know nothing!!!
> 
> HEI.

Uhhhh, I could use a little more depth, but at least it's a start.

 I need what parts/made by who/how will this increase performance?
Honest opinions from those who have experience is what I'm looking for.
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 20:18:16 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Chris Smetana
Indiana
1969 Cutlass W-31
1966 GTO
1966 GTO parts car
1971 Buick Skylark Custom Convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 Hatchback
1977 Buick LeSabre

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:37:06 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass console shift cable

At 02:09 PM 10/7/97 EDT, you wrote:
Doug

        You need a shifter cable and the transmission cable bracket along
with the arm for the transmission. The rod for the steering column still
gets hooked up. And yes the columns are different also.

Jim Chermack


>I'm working on a buddy's 71 Cutlass S.  He has a stock console auto
>shifter and a th350 that he got out of a column shift car.  He
>has no linkage or cables or anything to hook it up, and I'd like to know
>where to start.  the shifter is there, and on the drivers side is a pin that
>looks like the connection point for the shift cable (or rod, or however
>it is operated), the pin has a hole that looks like a cotter pin hole.
>
>what parts do I need?  how is the th350 shifted (cable?) ? how does the
>cable mount on the tranny?  do I need a special shift lever on the th350
>for a console shift?
>
>Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass 
>http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart 
>Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car
>

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 22:48:36 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: OCA Events Calendar

At 01:12 PM 10/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Brad

        Just wanted to let you know that the show is on the 8th with a 9th
rain date. I gave you some bum dope. Sending fliers tomorrow.

Jim

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 22:55:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Ernie Johnson    AKA Elephant Engine Ernie            Maine

1967 442  Black hardtop 4speed  (Saffron interior, I've owned it since 69)
1950   88  Black sedan hydra matic
1958  Lloyd Alexander 600   (I know,   I know,   what's a Lloyd?)
1960  Lloyd Alexander 600 TS   (See above)
1990  Saab 9000 CD  (Close between another one and an Aurora next year)
1995  GMC Safari van (Used in my business, last one went over 300,000 miles)

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:52:20 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

>There are three olds owners here...  Clive, Ade, and Tom Lindsay in
>Idaho.
>My brother (Ade)72 4-4-2 (built 455 & loads of fun - 11 sec. sunny day
>driver)
>		70 Olds Cutlass (Street-pro)
>		68 Olds Starfire

A '68 Starfire? I thought they were discontinued in '67. I like the '67-'68
body style best, so that makes one more car to add to the full-size wish-list...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 02:52:24 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

>1962 Starfire 2-dr coupe (parts)
>1962 Starfire conv (being restored)
>1963 Starfire conv (future restoration project)
>1963 Starfire coupe (future restoration project)
>1963 Starfire coupe (restored)

Ah-HA! So _that's_ where all the early Starfires have gone! Cliff has been
hogging them... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:00:59 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: engine rebuild questions

At 12:15 AM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
Jason

        You should be able to build a 350 to 400 hp small block well within
a $2000 budget. Main areas to look at are camshaft, heads, intake and some
gear. Stay around 9-9.5 compression. The Edelbrock 350 Olds they talk about
produced 397hp with their cam intake, timing chain and a 9.5:1 block assm.


Jim Chermack


>What should I expect to pay to have a 69 or 70 350 engine rebuilt with some
>minor performance parts at an engine shop? I would like to achieve 350-370
>hp but I am more concerned with a good flat torque curve as this will be a
>strip engine. There are several engine shops around me that build engines
>but they are mostly chevy/ford/mopar shop. Can I trust one of these shops
>to know how to rebuild an Olds engine? Anyone got a recipe for a hot
>strip/street 69-70 350 engine that will not cost much over $2000? I can't
>build a $10,000 Warren Johnson DRCE block :-) 
>____________________________________________
>Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
>z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH        
>95 DCM Impala SS.....14.66 @ 95.5 ; 1.917 60 ft ; 4400lbs
>80 Olds 442 W-30.......15.70 @ 88.7 ; 2.200 60 ft ; 3300lbs
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25 - (2)..one parts car, one resto car
>85 S-10 Blazer 4x4.......work truck, 1,625 watt sound system
>

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:03:01 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Supreme W-25?

Mike Rothe wrote:
 
> What I would like to know, is that if anyone can put this baby to bed
> with some undisputible evidence.

I do not have a '70 SPECS book, but I do have a '70 Produce Selling
Features book.  This book makes mention of the "W Machine" hood, but
makes no mention of its availability among non W Machine cars.

The '71 SPECS book claims the W-25 hood to be a $157.98 option on the V8
equipped Cutlass S Sports Coupe and Hardtop Coupe and included special
hood paint.  Engine option L74 (350 4bbl) was required.  It was not
available with Y73 Hood Paint Stripes.  Cutlass Supremes show no W25
availabilty.  W-25 was an option for 442 models, same price. 
Vista-Cruiser shows no availability.

'72 SPECS book shows W25 hood as a $154.00 option on Cutlass Coupe. 
Includes special hood paint scheme.  Available only with L34 (350 4bbl)
or L75 (455 4bbl).  Not available with Y73 Hood Paint Stripe Decal or
Y75 Exterior Sport Equipment (Cutlass S hood, body-side paint stripes,
Bright wheel opening moldings.  Book says AVAIL. AS SPEC. ORD. ONLY ON
CUTLASS CRUISER.  Cutlass S - same availability Sports Coupe or Hardtop
Coupe.  Cutlass Supreme - available on convertible only, not available
with L32 (350 2bbl).  Vista-Cruiser shows no availability.

Paul  
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:58:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: list and cars

jack lilli hioni  karamanos

northern puget sound  washington

1947 oldsmobile 98
custom cruiser 8
4 dr sedan
severly modified restorod  olds powered

1969 442
holiday coupe
4 sp 342 posi

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:09:03 -0400
From: Peter Teubel <pteubel@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Peter Teubel - Eastern Massachusetts

'51 Olds 98 4-dr (Frame-off Project)
'73 Imperial LeBaron 4-dr (Summer Cruise-Night Driver)
'82 Olds 98 4-dr (Summer Driver......*MY FAVORITE*)
'84 Chebby C10 (Junkyard Hauler....soon to have a 403!)
'86 Olds Ciera 4-dr (Wife's Car)
'88 Subaru Turbo 4WD wgn (Winter Driver)

           *** LOOKING FOR A 1976 BUICK ELECTRA...must be 4DR ***

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 20:53:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

1986 442 

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 03:14:58 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: H/O's in C&D

I get hand-me-down Car and Drivers from my father, who subscribes, and
noticed that the November issue's write-up of the Hurst/Lingenfelter Pontiac
Trans Am also includes a timeline of the other projects Hurst did for
manufacturers, including production figures and original prices. Of course,
Oldses figure heavily in that list, though a '71 Hurst Jeepster sounds like
a funky SUV to have around.

Anyway, one odd figure in there: under 1968 H/O production, they list 459
coupes and _56_ convertibles. That's not right, is it? They also list a
base-price of $4224 for the convertible, as compared to $4288 for the coupe.
Are they mistaking the sport coupe (w/post) production with convertible
production? They list two '69 convertibles, but point out that this was not
regular production cars, so they can't give a list price.

I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall something
about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
special trim, in around the '70-'71 era. Whatever the case, though the
Hurst/Pontiac runs the quarter in 13.1@111mph, and has a top speed of
182mph, I think its $45,000 sticker price is a little rich for my blood. Of
course, I wonder if they were saying that about the $4500 sticker on the '69
H/O...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 21:13:07 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: MCC Autofest report

Well here is the report from the MCC autofest last Sat.  (Sorry this is late, but I've been busy getting a new job.)

About 700 registrations.  Just about any kind of car showed up (rods, restos, modifieds, drivers)  including the following of note:
Olds
86 442
87 442
72 W-30 hardtop, dark blue with black vinyl top, BEAUTIFUL car that I've seen at another Olds show in Indy area several years ago and it's still just as awesome
66 442 one of 88 automatic bench seat cars, and it was a post model
67 c/s convert which had the W-30 induction added
69 H/O (2), I think one of them was the one in the 100th parade as it had a little printout in the trunk.  (anyone remeber what 69 H/O was in the parade?  This one had Indiana vanity plates 69 HURST)

Buicks
Only 2 that I found and they were both in the for sale corral, 72 GS and a 66 riv

Pontiacs
Several as the Tri-State GTO club was there

Others of special interest
7 DeLoreans
70 Cuda hardtop 1 of 3 Hemi Cuda's made (that's what the sign said)  plum crazy and VERY NICE
30's Auburn unrestored and looked like it but was still nice
63 Stingray, the Mickey Thompson car that set a land speed record (at Daytona I think)  This car is a museum piece and I found out it will be inducted into the Corvette Museum shortly
The last C-4 vette and the first C-5 vette, both owned by Mike Yager of Mid-America Designs
Bret Voekels 70 Mustang.  The one that has appeared in Hot Rod, Car Craft, etc and the only car to break down on this years Hot Rod Power Tour.
Also the Roberts Stadium floor had all the cars that had appeared in the show, except I never found the SuperSnake Shelby.  I also saw Dennis Gage filming part of the MCC show coverage.  The scene I watched (right from behind the camera man) had Dennis emerging from a red 70 Chevelle and he was talking about the Chevy 454.
It was a hot sunny day it the upper 80s and I had a very good time.

That's all I can remember right now.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 22:29:56 -0500
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 455 rocket

CLAUDERATL@aol.com wrote:
> 
> help!
> 
> have a 455 rocket oldsmobile engine.  what do you know about it.  what car
> did it originally come in.  would love to overhaul this engine.  does anyone
> know where i can find information on the internet about this engine?

Bryceman's Olds page has this info available. Someone who has the
address will I'm sure chime in here and provide it... (hint, hint)

JR

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 21:17:06 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Question?? Re: e-mails

Mr.Ada has stated that my emails aren't wrapping and I was wondering if anyone else is/was having a problem with my emails?

Thanks
Chris Smetana
Terre Haute,IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

- ----------
> chris smetana wrote:
> >
> > > Did you know that your e-mails don't wrap at all?
> > Chris, How are my emails looking now?  I reinstalled Internet Explorer and
> my problems seem to have been fixed.  Hopefully, everything looks good on your
> end too.  Let me know.
> >
> > Chris Smetana
> > chris@abcs.com
>
> No still not wrapping.
>
> Chris

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:11:54 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Jeff Antonucci
Pennyslvania

1970 442 Conv. buckets, console, hurst dual gate, sport mirrors, 3.33
posi, disc brakes,(5) SSI wheels, build sheet.  Metallic blue with white
top and interior, originally Silver with black interior and top.  Added
ram air hood.  Quicky resto in 1996.  Built in Linden NJ, lived in Pa
it's whole life.  Needs correct carb.

1991 Quad 442 W-41  1 of 204 made. Bought new in '91 104,000 miles.  Red
with grey interior, 5speed, 394 diff. revs to 7,300 rpm before limiter
kicks in. 190hp & only 2,500 lbs. Do the math!  Fastest olds since 72?

1986 Delta 88 (Wife)  Can't speak kindly of this one.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 20:10:43 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

Yes, it'll fit but the ports may be a bit small.  You'd be hurting power,
especially if it's an intake from the 7A headed 307 (with the roller
lifters and teeny ports).  A 3711 manifold will work just beautifully
with a computer setup.  I've got one on my '84 H/O (still with the 307)
and IMHO this is your best choice.

It required a few minor mods:

One of the sensors up front, and I think the one in the rear were smaller
than the holes provided in the new manifold.  A pipe adapter from the
local hardware store solved that cheaply and easily.  Sorry, I don't
remember the size.
There were two extra vacuum ports on the Edelbrock manifold that I had to
buy pipe plugs for.
The heat tube that goes down into the exhaust crossover for the choke had
to be bent slightly with a Ford tool (hammer).  Not a big deal since you
don't see this part anyhow.
A few of the manifold bolts needed to trade places (thicker in some
spots, thinner in others).
The bracket that holds the throttle and TV cable which attaches to the
rear two carb bolts hits the Edelbrock manifold.  I got a second one from
the junque yarde (so I can keep my original just in case I ever want to
go back), ground down one spot, bent it, hacksawed a few slits in it,
bent some more, and it fits.
Need to flip EGR valve 180 degrees for the new manifold, not a problem
for the EGR, but this causes interference with the cruise control linkage
(if you have one).  I just left my cruise disconnected for a while until
I could find a solution.  I got a cruise linkage off of an '80's Toro w/
307 from the junque yarde, this is a little longer than the stock one but
the wrong shape.  Bent into shape I needed in the vice (really soft
metal), sanded, painted, and nobody can tell it's not stock.  Really only
took about 15 minutes to fabricate once I had the part.
Also, due to the different height of parts of this manifold, I needed a
few washers under the thermostat housing bolts (holes aren't deep
enough), and I used an extra nut underneath one end of the bracket that
holds the cruise control to level it out.

Note, on a G-body with the stock air cleaner, the hood *barely* clears
with the stock
(fairly thick) carb gasket.  A thinner gasket would help, but keep a
close eye on the throttle lever so it doesn't hit the manifold.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

John Stolarski wrote:

> Does anyone know if an intake manifold for a 307 fit on top of a 350?
> Thats the only way I know I can use my stock Roch. on a 350, my cars
> computer controlled...And/or is there any way to rig up an edelbrock
> 3711 manifold to be used w/ a computer controlled set-up? Thanks...
> John
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:41:17 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 8-Track Players

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
> 
> I hope you can answer this question, or refer me. I'm going to install
> an 8-track unit in my '72 Cutlass Supreme convertible along with an
> AM/FM stereo unit. I'd like to know if there is a precise location for
> the 8-track unit to be attached to the bottom of the dash. I know it's
> located directly under the radio, but I don't know exactly how far
> forward or back. I agree it's a pretty small issue, but I still want it
> to be right. I don't know of any other Olds owners with 8-tracks close
> by to use as reference. Can you help?
> Thanks,
> Bill Park

My '72 already had pre-drilled/stamped holes under the dash.  Lined up
perfectly for me.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:43:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Supreme W-25?

From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Supreme W-25?

I was under the pretense that the W-25 was not available on the Supreme
in 70-72.  Again, I hate to blame faded memory, but I did read it
SOMEWHERE (or so I thought) that the 4200 was not available with the
OAI.  Unless, like Bob Schenkel said, that I too am confusing it with

Mike:

I have a copy of the "Salesmen's Prices, Equipment, Colors & Trims,
Specifications" book effective January 1, 1970.  This is the book used to
"spec out" cars during the early 70's.

This book shows both the W25 hood and the W31 package available only on the
Cutlass S  cars.  The W25 hood is also listed as an option on the 442 series,
but I don't see it anywhere in the Supreme, base Cutlass models, or Vista
Cruisers.

A couple of things that are important to remember though.   First, then even
more than now, money talked and if an "Important customer" wanted something
and could talk loud enough (money) anything could be built.  We had some
strange combinations built in those days!!  Secondly, this book is likely
only accurate for about 90 days!   They were updated about that often.  (New
options for spring, deletions, etc.)

Hope this adds some for you

Elephant Engine Ernie

67 442
50  88

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