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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, September 24 1997    Volume 01 : Number 868



Re: Brake parts wanted
Re: Haunted Delta
Parts for '75 W-25
Re: Haunted Delta
Re: 455 block = 425?!
Re: Posi Identification
Re: Brake parts wanted
Re: a WHAT datalog?!
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Posi Identification
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
_'71_ W-30 Delta 88, not '70...
Re: Posi Identification
Re: a WHAT datalog?!
Re: New on list with questions
Re: Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)
Re: Olds for sale and Free Olds
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
RE: Posi Identification
Re: surging
URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd)
New Acqusition.
Re: New Acqusition.
Olds Alum. Heads - Update
Re:  TRUCK:: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd)
Re: Posi Identification
UNBOUNCE:  Burning Proms
UNBOUNCE: Parts for '75 W-25
69 Cutlass Supreme Help
Re: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88
Olds "Quality" keys
a mopar list like this one?
Re: a mopar list like this one?
FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site
Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades
Re[2]: 455 heads....again.....
Re[2]: New Acqusition.
Re[2]: rebuilding olds 403
Re: Haunted Delta
Content-Type: text/plain
Re: 65 442 console
Origin of FUBAR (non Olds)
Re: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd)
Re: '64 Cutlass
Re: Haunted Delta
Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades
Re: Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)
Re: Musclecar Magazine
New FAQ Addition????
My new 67 442 W-30
My new 67 442 W-30
455 Rocket Video
Re: Olds Alum. Heads - Update
'70 VC Hinges
Floor Pans
Re: Floor Pans

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:49:24 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Brake parts wanted

>         Does anyone know of a source for those "springs" that protect the
> brake line?
>         I'm also looking for the brackets that retain the front brake hose
> to the frame for 1972 Cutlass Convertible with disk brakes.

Those springs are called "rock guards".  I don't know where you could
get those individually, but they come installed on new brake lines from
places like Classic Tubes and Fine Lines.

As for the brake line bracket, I am pretty sure Monte Carlos,
Chevelles,  Skylarks, and LeMans all use the same bracket.  If your
"correct" hose is too short, then either the bracket is mounted in the
wrong place, or the correct hose isn't correct.

Just a thought,

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:55:39 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, James Thingwold wrote:

> Is this car haunted?
> >
> Have you checked on the older gentleman you got it from?  You don't suppose
> he's passed on  decided he missed his car....?!?!!

Well, I had a '72 Mercury Marquis Brougham with a 429 4bbl. 110,000 miles.
I bought it from an older man... it was his pride and joy, but due to a
nervous psychiatric condition, the man hadn't been able to drive for about
10 years (the car had sat without being cranked for at least 5 and the
tags on the car were almost 10 years out of date).  I bought the car for
$180 and drove it for almost 2 years.  Then the old man died.  By
coincedence, the C-6 tranny in the Merc. gave up the ghost (for no
apparent reason it ate the center sprag and reverse clutches) within 5
days of the man's death!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

>
> Joking - never had that happen to me (yet) but it wouldnt surprise me the
> luck I have with batteries.
>
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
>
> '64 Cutlass (Ruby)
> '66 Toronado (LA Woman)
> '67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
> '69 Toronado (Toro II)
> '72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
> Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
> Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:58:22 -0400
From: Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Parts for '75 W-25

I have been given the task from a friend of finding parts (exterior and
interior) for his 1975 W-25.  The car has a white interior.  Can anyone
help me???  I am not familiar with this car, as my interests are only in
'70-'72's.

Maybe i'll find something at fall-carlisle next week.  (not much Olds
stuff there last fall)

joe gambo
1972 442/455

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:27:59 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta

Clayton Pierce wrote:

> apparent reason it ate the center sprag and reverse clutches) within 5
> days of the man's death!

All this talk of haunted cars reminds me how I always felt a little
spooked being in former 77 Olds Cutlass.  I would always feel that some-
one else was in the car with me when there wasn't.  Can be eerie.  I
know
it had to be the previous owner.  He died and his niece sold me the car
as part of his estate sale.

Later....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:32:51 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 block = 425?!

Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Ah, not quite. There's at least two different 425 D blocks and 2
> different 455
> F blocks. The D's differ only if you need lifters or a cam; the F's
> difference
> matters only if you need to use a manual trans with original Z-bar
> linkage. Why
> not just use a hydraulic clutch...
>

Let me check my pocket.....nope no extra $250-$300 in there.  I know
McCleod makes one, but currently I have the manual setup and I'd get a
set of Hookers(the headers) for a little more than the cost of a
hydraulic clutch.   It's a good idea, but like all ideas it is aflicted
with a price tag.  Later.


  Paul Brillhart

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:29:15 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

> I have a 1985 442 and I tried the two-stripe test but I only got one. The
> VIN states that I have Limited Slip.

This is a new one on me.  My 85 442 VIN doesn't tell me squat about the
posi.  On the 85 442, though, posi was available as option code G80.  I
know it was an option, because I had to order it.  If I remember, it was
around 100 bucks.  This info should be on the label under the trunk
lid.  If that code isn't there, then you don't have posi.  Also, in 85,
the 442 posi was different than the other posi-tracs in 85 because even
the owner's manual mentions that when refilling the differential case,
to add the GM posi additive for engine code "9" only (442), but not for
other "limited-slips".  It may be because of the preload spring pressure
being higher, I don't know.  I know my posi is real tight, because I'll
get that chatter on turns every now and then.  Especially if I haven't
driven it in a long time.  Did it since new.  I took it back with 400
miles on it, and complained.  Ho hum, they said.  Up on the rack, added
the additive, lowered it, and no more chatter.  Amazing.

More idle "chatter"

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:41:19 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Brake parts wanted

I dont know where you are coming from but in the Boston area there is
a store Gem Auto Parts.I have gotten original brake parts from them
in the original boxed !!!... (i wish they gave me the orig. price.)
anyway if you want I can call them for you and let you know what
they say..They have gotten my OEM for my 64 and my best bud's 71
cutlass..So let me know what you want to do and need,

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:54:00 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: a WHAT datalog?!

>Chris Witt oh-so-eloquently wrote:
>
>GET AN ANAL CATALOG. Just call 'em up & request it. IT's that easy. If you 
have
>ever tooled on ANY car, and intend to in the future, get this catalog.
>===========
>Crap. I meant to say,
>GET AN NAL [as in National Automotive Lines] Catalog!
>
>I doubt that an "anal" catalog would help much with tranny parts. Heh.

No, but I hear that they have a great selection of gears and axles for an
Olds rear-end...


[aw, c'mon, who couldn't see _that_ one coming a mile away?]
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:53:57 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

>Hmmmmm.......Here I am out of bounds on this one, but if I recall, did
>not the 425 use a 45 degree cam bank angle, vs the 455 39 degree???

The normal big-car 425 used the 45' cam bank with the small lifters; the
factory high-performance 425 (Toro, and Starfire/Jetstar I I believe) used
the 39' cam bank with the larger lifters.

I'm still looking for a reciprocating assembly and main caps for my '66 Toro
block. It's got all the original lifters, but I was wondering if anyone has
ever heard of resurfacing the existing lifters for use with a different cam?
If they were ground in a certain way when they were produced, would not a
decent machine shop be able to "regrind" them? That might be a more feasible
option when the lifters run around $90-$120 a set.

In addition, the original cam is still in the block; I'd like to use that,
but since it's been sitting, it probably could use a polishing. Is anyone
familiar with the procedure for doing so? I imagine that you could simply do
whatever finish procedures were used for a reground cam.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:53:58 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

>If the clutches are worn or don't grab for some reason, the axle will act
>like an open one with that test. But aside from id'ing the rear by a code,

Duh. Shows what I get for typing so late...

If the car is in park or in gear, then the pinion isn't going anywhere, so
the opposite tires on the posi rear axle will spin in the opposite direction
(if you can get it to spin at all by hand), since the ring-gear will remain
stationary. The "tires spin in the same direction" test will only apply if
the driveshaft is free to spin.

Man, where's my second cup of coffee... |^o
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:53:56 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

>Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
>> You are correct Mike. He needs to check to see if the proportioning
>> valve needs to be reset. Unhook the wire at the valve and see if the
>> light goes out. If it does the valve can be reset sometimes by pressing
>> real hard on the brakes. Bleeding the brakes can cause this.
>
>I figure that's what the problem is...I'll be checking it out tomorrow.
>What I have to do is "fool" the proportioning valve, and cause it to
>think that the other side is leaking as well, when it really isn't.
>
>Let me explain a little better:  let's say that the prop valve thinks
>the rear lines are leaking, even though they're not.  I've been told
>that I will then have to open the opposite end (front, in this case),
>and step on the brakes really hard, but stop when the light goes out.
>That way the prop valve will think that the fronts are now leaking, and
>will 'swing' the other way far enough to break the elec. circuit.
[snip]
>and my prop valve cure doesn't work, I'll just have to live with a
>cherry-red brake light!

Dave,

There's a little piston inside the combination valve between the front and
rear sections of the braking system; when the pressure is even, the switch
stays in the middle, but if there's any difference, the higher pressure side
pushes the piston toward the low-pressure (due to leaking, open bleeder,
etc) side, grounding that lead to the idiot light. What may have happened is
that the piston got pushed to one side when you were working on the system,
and got stuck there. It may be hit or miss trying to unstick it by bleeding
the front or rear (because if it's stuck toward the front, and you bleed the
rear to push it back, it may just get stuck toward the rear system...). You
DO want this switch to be operational, and you can get a new combination
valve from a dealer (well, they were available a few years ago; around
$50-$60 then), since if it is sticking in the switch section, it may be
sticking in the metering or proportioning section as well (there's a lot of
little pistons and channels in the combo valve), leading to front or rear
brake lockup under less-than-ideal circumstances.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:54:01 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: _'71_ W-30 Delta 88, not '70...

>you couldn't match the VIN to a '70 W-30 442 that happens to be missing its
>original engine... :)

Uh, make that a '71 for those "H" heads...

And it is too bad that '70 was the last year for the high-performance Delta
model. That was the end of the line for a performance heritage going all the
way back to the J-2's, through the Starfires, Jetstar I's and the mighty
W-33's of 1970. An "H" headed, 4-speed, dual exhaust '71 Delta coupe with
the polycast SSIV rims would be one mighty nice ride... Anyone want to build
a "phantom" '71 Starfire?  Would look real nice with those OAI scoops on the
hood... :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:58:29 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

>I have a 1985 442 and I tried the two-stripe test but I only got one. The
>VIN states that I have Limited Slip. If posi and Limited Slip are the same,
>why do I lay only one path and not 2? And, is Anit-Spin the same as posi too?

The clutches are worn, though they've got to be really shot to give you
nothing on the other tire. I usually test the condition of my posi by
comparing the relative lengths of the black stripes (or at least that's the
explanation that's worked with the cops).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:58:28 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: a WHAT datalog?!

>Boy am I ever glad you guys explained this.  I thought this was the
>place you viewed and ordered all the cr*ppy parts that don't fit or
>don't work.  You know, the place they send all those bad parts replaced
>under warranty.  (Smiling, chuckling , gufffawing, etc, etc)
>
>PS.  On a more serious note, does anyone have a number or address for
>this place? TIA

OK, ok, all fun aside; I do not have enough catalogs enticing me with things
to buy that I cannot afford (thank goodness Brothers and Supercars charges
for their catalogs! otherwise I'd be sending money to them too!). What is
NAL's location, and phone ª?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:01:29 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: New on list with questions

>My second question is about changing to HEI conversion. I searched the FAQs
>but didn't find the detailed information I need. I understand the resister
>wire from the ignition switch should be changed. What do I do with the
>"other" wire, I think it goes to the started solenoid now. I also remember
>something about the spark plug recommended for this change over, which is,
>and the gag? The HEI is from a 1976 Cutlass with 350, do I need to do
>anything to it?
>
You can remove the wire from the solenoid (it feeds 12v to the points when
the starter is turning) since HEI runs on a constant 12v.  Installation
procedure is as follows:

1.Remove the old distributor, coil , plug wires and wire from the solenoid.

2.Drop in the HEI unit (it is easier if you turn the engine to TDC and
index the outside of the HEI housing).

3.Change plugs to HEI ones.  I usually get plugs for a 74 Olds w/ HEI.
The gap is quite large, .080 or so.  Look in the spark plug catalog for the
exact gap.  I heard somewhere that performance motors had a smaller gap,
can someone expand on this topic.

4.Get HEI plug wires and install them.

5.The HEI cap has 4 connectors.  2 are taken up by a connector from the
distributor.  One is for the tach, and is so marked.  The last one is
marked bat, and that's where you feed it 12v.  Mine is wired straight from
the fusebox to the HEI, but you can use any 12v source which is activated
by the ignition key.  I am sure there are "prettier solutions than going
through the fusebox, but I was in a hurry and that was the easiest way to
do it.  You could also use this as an excuse to install a hidden kill switch.

6.Start the car and set the timing.  You are done.  This should take no
more than 2 hours, unless you have that great combination of 455 and
airconditioning, in which case you will have to add 4 hours to get to plug
ª8.  (Just kidding, it is quite easy to get to from underneath, it just
took me 3.5 hours to figure that one out.)

It's an easy conversion since the HEI is a selfcontained unit.   The only
wiring involved is finding the switched 12v source and running a wire to
the HEI.  I'm not an expert, but if you have any questions regarding this,
let me know.


Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:23:50 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)

> I removed the bulb from the front console light and the car immediately
> cranked and started right away. The conv. switch light and the rear console
> light still glowed however.
> Tried removing the rear console bulb and now the conv. switch light works
> correctly IE; on when the door is open, off when closed.
> The  sockets look clean (are new), and the bulbs look fine.
> Baffled too!!
> What kind of problem does this indicate? (The car isn't called Christine).

The usual answer is, "bad grounds." What complicates things when
you're trying to diagnose this particular circuit (courtesy lights)
is that it's a switched-ground circuit, whereas most everything else
is switched-power. i.e. The courtesy lights get power at all times,
and go on when somebody opens a door to ground a pin switch mounted
in the door pillar.

The lights can glow dimly if the power that's supplied to them at
all times somehow finds a new way out, other than through the pin
switch. I think you're going to find that a wire leading to or from
one of the courtesy lights is somehow shorting to ground (they are
_not_ supposed to ground directly from the light itself unless they
have a separate power switch on them). The fact that the behavior
changes when you remove certain bulbs indicates that those bulbs
are in the path of this semi-short circuit.

(BTW, how's your headlamp switch? That's another place where the
interior lights can be grounded, when you rotate the knob fully
counterclockwise.)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:24:47 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds for sale and Free Olds

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Charley Buehner wrote:

> Dustin Cross wrote:
> >
> > Chuck, they said to a home that will put it back together!!
>
> Umm, didn't say anything about ~when~....  :)
>
> >  besides arent you running out of room?
> Has ~that~ ever been a concern?  :)  Ok, Ok, Dustin ~you~ can have it!
> :)

Can I borrow your trailer?  I do need another project :)

Dustin

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:27:55 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

> I've tried playing with the emerg. cable to no avail, so I guess it
> rules that out.  I'll try disconnecting that circuit above the emerg.
> brake pedal, just to see if the light goes out.  If THAT isn't the case,
> and my prop valve cure doesn't work, I'll just have to live with a
> cherry-red brake light!

Oh, heck, there's only two ways to turn the light on: proportioning
valve or brake pedal. Unplug the wire connected to the proportioning
valve. Use an ohmmeter to see if there's continuity through the
connector on the proportioning valve to ground. If so, that's your
problem. If not, the parking brake pedal is the problem.

I would normally say this is not Rocket Science, but in this forum,
it all is, isn't it?  :-)


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:46:36 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

There's a little piston inside the combination valve between the front
and
rear sections of the braking system; What may have happened is
that the piston got pushed to one side when you were working on the
system,
and got stuck there.

You DO want this switch to be operational, and you can get a new
combination
valve from a dealer (well, they were available a few years ago; around
$50-$60 then)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
- ----------
I don't know if this would help, but there is a "pull" rod on the front
of the combination valve that is used when pressure bleeding the brakes.
It looks like a nail and should be covered by a rubber boot. Give that a
tug and have someone pump the brakes at the same time. Might want to
bleed the brakes again - some trapped air could have moved around.
Unlikely, but it won't hurt.

I paid $75 four years ago at my local GM dealer for the valve - mine was
toast - I think there was more rust particulate matter than brake fluid
in the brake system. The new valve's warning connector was different, so
I had to reuse the old valves plastic and stud assembly. Other than
that, no problems caused by the new valve.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:55:42 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Posi Identification

And to think that all you needed was a torque wrench. Although the
black-stripes approach is more fun.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Robert Barry[SMTP:rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 11:58 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Posi Identification
>
> >I have a 1985 442 and I tried the two-stripe test but I only got one.
> The
> >VIN states that I have Limited Slip. If posi and Limited Slip are the
> same,
> >why do I lay only one path and not 2? And, is Anit-Spin the same as
> posi too?
>
> The clutches are worn, though they've got to be really shot to give
> you
> nothing on the other tire. I usually test the condition of my posi by
> comparing the relative lengths of the black stripes (or at least
> that's the
> explanation that's worked with the cops).
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:29:02 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: surging

At 08:46 PM 9/23/97 -0700, you wrote:
>This is the *new* '64 Cutlass.  I'm going to take it to get the radiator
>rodded out cause it's dripping after driving & then I'll bring it home (the
>other half knows about it now - no comment) and probably pull of the water
>pump & pull the cover to check & put a new water pump on it while I'm at
>it.  I do so LOVE working on a motor with NOTHING (but the basic basics) on
>it.
>
Come on Lisa, please share with us how the other half reacted to the recent
addition to your fleet.  Will you be required to dispose of another
vehicle, dispose of a child or go to counseling for your Oldsmobile addiction?

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:41:11 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd)

anybody heard anything about this?



- ---------
Please forward this to everyone you know and let's uinleash the power of
the net to squash this puppy. If you so choose of course.
- --------

>>>>  This look's pretty SERIOUS, guys!  <<<<<<

Subject:

>       This is not an ad -- your e-mail rights are in danger

    Date:
         Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:36:45 +0000
    From:

         "Big Brother Alert"<PTadeus@worldnet.att>


If you value your privacy and your Constitutional Rights, read this
and act.  Take it VERY SERIOUSLY.  And be aware that there will
always be the few who want to enslave the rest of us.  That these few
are attracted to positions of authority should not be surprising.

>              Freedom is a never-ending battle.

        A pernicious danger looms immediately before us. This
coming Thursday, September 25, the House side of the U.S.. Congress
is expected to vote on a bill that could give governmental law
enforcement agencies like the FBI the ability to read all of your
e-mail, and monitor all of your online transactions, without even
informing you.

        The bill in question is HR 695, the "Security and Freedom
through Encryption Act" (SAFE). Sounds Orwellian, doesn't it? But
the bill itself is not the problem. The problem is a proposed amendment to
the bill, the Oxley/Manton Amendment, named after its congressional
sponsors.

        You may recall George Orwell's novel 1984, in which Big Brother
watches you from a television set. If this bill is passed, there is a very
good chance that Orwell's nightmare will become your reality.

        Think we're exaggerating? The Oxley/Manton amendment requires that
every part of the Internet be built so that the FBI can, at will, read any
or all e-mail and any other communications going over the Net.

        Oxley/Manton is a dramatic expansion of government power. It would
give the government immediate access to private online communications and
business transactions without any notice to the user.

        Oxley/Manton strips Americans of their Fourth Amendment protection
from unreasonable searches and seizures.

        Oxley/Manton would give the Attorney General
authority to dictate the design of Internet services and software to fit
the needs of the law enforcement establishment.

        Oxley/Manton would not stop crime. Strong encryption
without immediate access features is available today both in and
outside the US.
        Oxley/Manton would increase opportunities for cybercrime as
criminal hackers attack vulnerabilities in the key recovery access system.
In other words, if you provide the government with a key to your e-mail
communications, you're also providing hackers with an opportunity to steal
the key. For legitimate law enforcement, the government must now secure
the approval of a judge before tapping your phone.

        The Oxley/Manton Amendment would give the government
the equivalent of an open ticket to tap into your Internet
communications.

        Don't let it happen -- this is the time to use your
phone to protect your e-mail. Take action:

1. Call one or all of the following four members of the
committee that will vote on this amendment:

Chairman Thomas Bliley
(Republican -- VA)
202-225-2815

Rep. John Dingell
(Ranking Democrat -- MI)
202-225-4071

Rep. Tauzin
(Republican -- LA)
202-225-4031

Rep. Markey
(Democrat -- MA)
202-225-2836

2. Ask for the staff member who is handling the encryption
issue.

3. Let them know, in no uncertain terms, that you oppose the
Oxley/Manton Big Brother Amendment. It's important to
distinguish between the bill, SAFE, and the amendment. We're not
opposing the bill itself, just the amendment.

If you're looking for a simple way to express your outrage,
you might tell the staffer that you don't want to give the FBI
the keys to your house or your car, and you've got no intention of
giving them the keys to your e-mail.

STAND UP FOR YOUR PRIVACY RIGHTS!

- --------- End forwarded message ----------

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:40:16 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: New Acqusition.

I just got a new "addition" to the family!  I'm now the [proud?] owner of a
brown '78 Cutlass "Beater with a Heater" as the llama farmer I bought it from
called it.

The good news is that it seems to run well, oil and water are both where they
should be, passed emissions, new tranny,
has 4 snow tires, and only cost $350!  This is intended to be used for my 
winter
driver to spare my '84 H/O from the elements (we usually get at least 2 months
of deep snow here), and also as a backup car when one isn't functional.  It's 
in
good shape (well, relatively for a $350 car with 150k miles), the worst problem
seems to be rust in the rear quarters (frame is solid back
there, I checked).  During the test drive last night, it spun *both* tires on
the gravel, so maybe I even have a posi :-)

The bad news is that it's Ch*vy 305 powered.  So now I have an Olds powered
Olds, a Chevy powered Olds, and an Olds powered Chevy.  I'm not intending to
perform any work on this engine other than routine maintenance, and if it dies
I'll just throw in an Olds 350 or 403 from the junkyard.  There are lots of
little things wrong--no headliner, A/C compressor belt off (I assume the
compressor is history but I don't care, it's a winter car), front seat seems
pretty tattered under the seat cover,
and about half the dash lights are burned out (Hi Greg!).  I really doubt It'll
ever be much more than a beater, but that's just what I want!

My only complaint is no rear defroster, which could be a problem during the
winters.  Perhaps I can rig up something to help. . .

Looks like I'll probably take a day this weekend to clean it up, degrease the
engine, change the oil and filters, replace light bulbs, and inspect the
brakes.  Hopefully afterwards I'll finally have my "small emergency backup car"
that I've wanted for so long.

- ---
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                           '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/users/~tlentz                    '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Administrator, CPM Inc., Spokane, WA.       '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:54:50 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: New Acqusition.

You can get aftermarket defroster kits resonable from JC Whitney
Catalog, thats what I did with my 77 Cutlass.

>
> My only complaint is no rear defroster, which could be a problem during the
> winters.  Perhaps I can rig up something to help. . .
>
> Looks like I'll probably take a day this weekend to clean it up, degrease the
> engine, change the oil and filters, replace light bulbs, and inspect the
> brakes.  Hopefully afterwards I'll finally have my "small emergency backup
car" > that I've wanted for so long. > > --- > Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com
'84 Hurst/Olds > http://www.ior.com/users/~tlentz                    '78 
Cutlass
Supreme > Network Administrator, CPM Inc., Spokane, WA.       '78 Chev 1/2ton
(Olds 350) > > >

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:05:52 -0500
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Olds Alum. Heads - Update

New info from Edelbrock on their new Aluminum heads.

"released approximately around the time of the SEMA Show which is
November of this year"

Hopefully more info to come...

Forrest
johnson@edisongroup.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 11:32:32 PDT
From: pnelson@Tymnet.COM (Phil Nelson)
Subject: Re:  TRUCK:: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd)

Have I heard anything about the encryption debate? Well yes, I have. A lot
of people pretty exited about it. I have heard thoughtful arguments on
both sides. I don't know the details of this bill, and, unfortunately, I
don't have time to learn more right now. If I did have time to learn enough
about the encryption issues to form an opinion worth listening to on this
very complex subject, I probably would already know about the bill, and
would not need to see spam about it rebroadcast to the trucks list. Since
I don't have the time to become an expert on encryption, I also don't have
the time to read spam about it on oldtrucks.

- --
Philip.Nelson@mci.com  .  MCI San Jose .  408-922-7508


> From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>

> anybody heard anything about this?
>
>
>
> ---------
> Please forward this to everyone you know and let's uinleash the power of
> the net to squash this puppy. If you so choose of course.
> --------
>
> >>>>  This look's pretty SERIOUS, guys!  <<<<<<
>
> Subject:
>
> >       This is not an ad -- your e-mail rights are in danger
>
>     Date:
>          Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:36:45 +0000
>     From:
>
>          "Big Brother Alert"<PTadeus@worldnet.att>
>
>
> If you value your privacy and your Constitutional Rights, read this
> and act.  Take it VERY SERIOUSLY.  And be aware that there will

... etc. etc.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Jul 1997 14:37:52 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Posi Identification

At 03:53 PM 9/24/97 GMT, you wrote:
>>If the clutches are worn or don't grab for some reason, the axle will act
>>like an open one with that test. But aside from id'ing the rear by a code,
>
>Duh. Shows what I get for typing so late...
>
>If the car is in park or in gear, then the pinion isn't going anywhere, so
>the opposite tires on the posi rear axle will spin in the opposite direction
>(if you can get it to spin at all by hand), since the ring-gear will remain
>stationary. The "tires spin in the same direction" test will only apply if
>the driveshaft is free to spin.
>
>Man, where's my second cup of coffee... |^o
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Thanks Doc! I was worried the Brakleen had finally caught up with me! :)

Ray

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:53:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE:  Burning Proms

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: Burnigng Proms
Sender: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>

>nvolved/required for burning your own PROMs?  I'd imagine it'd be a
computer based program with an interface for the chip, but I've never
seen any setups advertised.  Four years ago, I would have ~killed~ for
such technology, but never found ~anyone~ interested in doing
true-custom chips.  Are you using some equipment designed by NASA for GM
use, or is this thing readily available now?  Just curious more than
anything, but it is something I'd always wanted to play with...
<

All it takes is a standard prom burner.  I am using a Data I/O 2900 which
interfaces with a dumb terminal.  It stores prom code on IBM format 1.44 mb
floppies.  The REAL trick is to decifer the code or tables in the prom.  I
have figured out where the timing curves are and have modified that.  Still
haven't found the elusive TCC lockup table yet (BTW - Neither has
Hypertech).  I also have played a little with WOT fuel mixture, but it
seems to be pretty good in stock form.  Closed loop mixture cannot be
modified.

Steve Ochs aka N8TYS- Mfg. Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com
The statements and opinions expressed here are NOT an official
statement of General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:54:50 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Parts for '75 W-25

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Joseph Gambaccini <jgambaccini@ci.richmond.va.us>
Subject: Parts for '75 W-25

I have been given the task from a friend of finding parts (exterior and
interior) for his 1975 W-25.  The car has a white interior.  Can anyone
help me???  I am not familiar with this car, as my interests are only in
'70-'72's.

Maybe i'll find something at fall-carlisle next week.  (not much Olds
stuff there last fall)

joe gambo
1972 442/455

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:57:34 -0500
From: dlwels@juno.com (David L. Welsh)
Subject: 69 Cutlass Supreme Help

Thanks for the help in solving my tail light problem.  Turns out it was
the switch.  Now, a couple new questions:

1. My car has a rear window defroster blower installed in the package
deck.  It has a two speed switch on the dash.  Where can I find a new
motor for this beast?

2. What is the difference in the body styles (holiday, etc.), how do I
know what I have, and where can I find good body panels for replacements?

3. Are lower door skin panels available anywhere?

Thanks!

Dave Welsh
wishing my son's '69 Cutlass Supreme was mine
hoping to start a new Old's stable

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:21:57 -0700
From: beast <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88

It doesn't matter they are still the best parts in town and are available and 
if
you don't like them go to Edelbrock and buy the rebuild kit

padavano.joe wrote:

> Bruce Camilli wrote:
>
> Dave,
> Someone is jerking your chain. I just rebuilt the Q-Junk on my '75 Delta 88's
> 455 using a AC/Delco carb kit I picked up from the local parts store...
>
>      Perhaps the problem is that GM sold off AC/Delco a few years ago
>      (notice how the new logo doesn't say GM anymore?).  This would explain
>      why the dealer no longer carries the part, but the parts stores do.
>
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 09:04:26 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Olds "Quality" keys

This recent discussion of keys came at a lucky time for me.  I went to a
local Olds dealer to show one of the parts guys, who helped me out
tremendously this year, my '87 442's new paint job.  Anyhow, after a little
bit he asks me what codes my keys are.  I tell him and he ducks into the
back for a minute.  He comes back w/ an ignition & lock key blanks.  He
then gives them to me saying he found them a couple weeks ago & though I
might like to have them.  These keys are regular blanks but in the head in
gold is a square inlay w/ the Olds Rocket  from the 80's and the word
"Quality" in script below it like this:
 ---------
|   ---   |
|  | | |  |
|  | | |  |
|  |/|\|  |
|  | | |  |
|   ---   |
| Quality |
 ---------
I'm leaving them uncut and put them on the keychain I got from the
Centennial for display at shows.  Anyone else ever see these?  I think they
must be specials from 1987 when the slogan was "Oldsmobile Quality - Feel
It".

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 03:56:47 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: a mopar list like this one?

I know I know, not Olds related.{True}  But when I raced my buddy and
his 71' challenger(440) and won,{True} he wanted to know how I found
out how to tweak all the mechanics on my car. {a Lie}
I told him about this Olds list. {True}

Tried to make it somewhat Olds related!  :)  So, does anyone know if
there is a list like this for mopars?

Thanks,

RC (trying to help "another" confused mopar owner) Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:13:37 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: a mopar list like this one?

Try these, ( my dad is a mopar finatic)

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~kaustin/Chrysler.html
http://webhome.idirect.com/~gian/index.html
http://www.access.digex.net/~miked/charger.html
http://www.cskpub.com/HPMtoc.html
http://www.bcchrysler.com/email.html

> I know I know, not Olds related.{True}  But when I raced my buddy and
> his 71' challenger(440) and won,{True} he wanted to know how I found
> out how to tweak all the mechanics on my car. {a Lie}
> I told him about this Olds list. {True}
>
> Tried to make it somewhat Olds related!  :)  So, does anyone know if
> there is a list like this for mopars?
>
> Thanks,
>
> RC (trying to help "another" confused mopar owner) Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:21:01 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: FOR ALL TO SEE! Nice Web Site

There is this web site I found out there, not entirely pertaining to
Olds, but its for ALL classic/muscle/race cars out there. Might want
to check it out, also has another tips/tricks/help area.

http://www.hotrodheaven.com/

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 15:17:55 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades

Erik Nowacki wrote:

The Vista Cruisers have larger rear drums.  I believe they are 1/4 or 1/2 inch
wider than the regular (lesser?) Cuttlai.  I don't know how much of the brakin
system you would have to swap out, but if necessary, the entire rear end should
fit your car without any problems...

     Yep, the VC brakes are 9"x2.5", whereas other A-bodies use 9"x2"
     drums.  I've long wondered if these would swap out, but I don't know
     if the additional 1/2" is accommodated through an offset in the
     backing plate, a narrower axle housing, or different axle shaft
     spacing (I doubt the latter, as this would increase rear track by 1").
     The parts book lists different part numbers for both the backing
     plates and the axle housings, but doesn't describe the differences.
     As you've noted, the entire housing _will_ swap.

     Another option is to use the 11"x2" brakes from the 73-77 A-body cars.
      From what I understand, these will bolt up to the earlier cars.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 15:56:08 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 455 heads....again.....

Dr. Bob wrote:

..Sorry if I gave the impression that the stamped number would tell you
that it's from a Cutlass; as you point out, that's not the case.

     True, but there is possibly some help in the assembly plant
     designation.  If the plant code is an "X" (Kansas City), for example,
     you know it _isn't_ a Cutlass/442 motor, as that plant only built full
     size cars.  On the other hand, an "M" is pretty useless in determining
     what car the motor came out of (of course, anything other than "M"
     proves it _isn't_ a W-motor).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 16:04:52 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: New Acqusition.

You can get aftermarket defroster kits resonable from JC Whitney
Catalog, thats what I did with my 77 Cutlass.

     ...And Andy "Squeege Boy" Green will be more than happy to install it
     for you... ;-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 15:50:38 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: rebuilding olds 403

And a 403 turning OVER 9000 rpm is not a "slow turning, torquey motor"....TIM

     No, it's a HAND GRENADE!!!  :-)

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 97 15:36:21 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta

     Greg,

     While this may not be the cause of your problem, I had a very similar
     case a number of years ago that had me similarly stumped.  It turns
     out that there was a burr on the starter shaft which caused the Bendix
     drive to stick in the extended (engaged in the flywheel) position.  As
     you know, there is a linkage back to the pole piece of the solenoid
     (that's how the Bendix gets engaged normally); this linkage forced the
     pole piece back into the solenoid, which pushed the copper disk in the
     solenoid into contact with the battery cable terminals (as it would
     when the key is in the "Start" position).  Naturally, this caused the
     starter to crank without the key whenever the battery was connected,
     just like your situation.  I don't know if yours is caused by the same
     reason, but I certainly tore out a lot of hair trying to find this
     one.

     Good luck.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:36:08 PDT
From: "Luis Chevere" <lchevere@hotmail.com>
Subject: Content-Type: text/plain

I have 84 Cutlass Supreme V6 2 Door and recently bought a 85 Cutlass
parts car with a 307 engine.  Will I have to make and modification, if I
put the 307 in my 84 in order fit and work?  Like the exhaust,
transmission ect.

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:07:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 65 442 console

Hey Gang!
    I thought I replied to this one but just in case I didn't, the console
was for sure an option in the 65 442. I chose not to opt for one because I
really couldn't figure out why anyone would want their tach on the floor!
                                                                Ron Forsee
                                                                 65
442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:27:34 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Origin of FUBAR (non Olds)

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 AllNiteLng@aol.com wrote:
> Fubar originated in Hollywood as far as I can tell. It was one of the
> lines Kurt Russel said to Sly Stallone in the movie "Tango and Cash"

*********************

The acronym "FUBAR" was apparently in common use in the U.S. Army long
before I received my invitation to join that fine organization in 1969.
The true origin is probably lost to history, but I would bet that it has
been in use in certain circles for many generations.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:59:05 -0500
From: "MiLiT@Nt1" <militant1@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: URGENT URGENT URGENT (fwd)

Although this is not Olds related, I thought that it did warrant a response.

Dustin Cross wrote:
anybody heard anything about this?

> The House side of the U.S.. Congress is expected to vote on a bill that
> could give governmental law enforcement agencies like the FBI the ability to
> read all of your
> e-mail, and monitor all of your online transactions, without even informing
> you.

This is already possible.  Unless you are in the habit of sending and
recieving encrypted E-Mail, anything you send or recieve can be intercepted.

>         The bill in question is HR 695, the "Security and Freedom
> through Encryption Act" (SAFE).

The bill can be found at :ftp://ftp.loc.gov/pub/thomas/c105/h695.ih.txt
and some additional info at :
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:HR00695:@@@L
This is Congress' web site for anyone that is interested.

> The problem is a proposed amendment to the bill, the Oxley/Manton
> Amendment.        Oxley/Manton strips Americans of their Fourth Amendment
> protectionfrom unreasonable searches and seizures.

I haven't found anything about this amendment, but it seems as though this is
a right protected in hr 695...

> If you're looking for a simple way to express your outrage,
> you might tell the staffer that you don't want to give the FBI
> the keys to your house or your car, and you've got no intention of
> giving them the keys to your e-mail.

This is true...   Here is a brief rundown on how public key encryption works.
You have two keys.  A public key which you may distribute freely and a private
key which you must keep PRIVATE.  A private key cannot be derived from a
public key giving this method of encryption a good level of security.  When
you send someone a message you use THEIR PUBLIC KEY to encrypt the message,
and they use THEIR PRIVATE KEY to decrypt the message.  When they reply, they
use YOUR PUBLIC KEY to encrypt the message to you and then  you can decipher
it using YOUR PRIVATE KEY.  Think of the encryption as an envelope of sorts.
If you didn't mind other poeple reading your thoughts and opinions you would
probably send all of your mail on postcards.  My public key follows.

> STAND UP FOR YOUR PRIVACY RIGHTS!

- --
MiliT@Nt1 <militant1@geocities.com>   '68 Delmont 88 - 455
- -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
Version: 2.6.2

mQCNAzNJpTYAAAEEAL3oGTXw9s5RIHMTjEISTNaq/cfPZBDyqI5Hqol6BXXDAgeo
ft8fkTu9HvwPCO0tdg3Na+mDRwTkPY+A/lZKZrC6O1KUAQ0EntCCEqgd6IHE6JxE
e7D7HopduR3DSSa+UpJnu7xJg0u+TV7U2Af/60E+hHqdwqbywWb/E/39CoSRAAUR
tCNNaUxpVEBOdDEgPG1pbGl0YW50MUBnZW9jaXRpZXMuY29tPg==
=RIDe
- -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:12:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

In a message dated 97-09-24 08:04:57 EDT, you write:

<< >Looking through my Setting the Pace book the other day I noticed that the
 >'64 F-85 is shown with the 216 V-8 (aluminum motor).  Down a few lines it
 >shows the Optional L-something something 330 motor.

 This must be a mistake of some sort.  The 216 V-8 was not offered in 1964.
 The only engines available in the F-85/Cutlass lines were the 330 V-8 or an
 "Econoway V-6".


 Dan
  >>
Errrr, that would be "215" right??

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:19:00 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta

 hmm. I don't usually believe in coincidence but with a F*rd it probably is.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
>On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
>
>> Is this car haunted?
< snip>
>> Have you checked on the older gentleman you got it from?  You don't
suppose
>> he's passed on  decided he missed his car....?!?!!
>
>Well, I had a '72 Mercury Marquis Brougham with a 429 4bbl. 110,000 miles.
>I bought it from an older man... it was his pride and joy,
<snip>.
  Then the old man died.  By
>coincedence, the C-6 tranny in the Merc. gave up the ghost (for no
>apparent reason it ate the center sprag and reverse clutches) within 5
>days of the man's death!
>
>Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
>Clayton Pierce,
>zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
>the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com
>
>>
>> Joking - never had that happen to me (yet) but it wouldnt surprise me the
>> luck I have with batteries.
>>
>>
>> Lisa Madsen
>> Anaheim, CA
>>
>> '64 Cutlass (Ruby)
>> '66 Toronado (LA Woman)
>> '67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
>> '69 Toronado (Toro II)
>> '72 Vista Cruiser (VC)
>>
>> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>>
>> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>>
>> Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>> Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>>

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:08:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades

Interesting. By 'A' body cars, you mean '73-77 Cutlass?  I presume this would
also necessitate use of 15" wheels.
Will try it.
Coupe King

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:05:39 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)

 Thanks Andrew, I'll try your suggestions. A bad ground should be easier to
find than the alternative; that might take a seance.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green <acg@dlogics.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, September 24, 1997 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Haunted Delta (not much Olds...)



>> I removed the bulb from the front console light and the car immediately
>> cranked and started right away.
<SNIP>
>The usual answer is, "bad grounds."
<SNIP>
>(BTW, how's your headlamp switch? That's another place where the
>interior lights can be grounded, when you rotate the knob fully
>counterclockwise.)
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:44:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Musclecar Magazine

Thanks for that information! What year would that be? Do you know if they
have something on a w31 and a w30?
Thanks!

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:08:11 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: New FAQ Addition????

Just thought we might consider adding the origin of the word FUBAR onto
the next FAQ list ;)  Seems to be a hot topic lately.  Apparantly many
military members / family members on the list.  Good to know our Country
defenders are Olds fans!  :)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:20:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: My new 67 442 W-30

Hi All,

    just thought I should drop a line and report that I have found
one of the elusive 67 442 W-30s.  I have many questions about
this car and would like to know if anybody else has been able to
find one.  From what an earlier post had said they were all suppose
to have been recalled, for a reason as yet to be determined.

   Someone earlier posted the "vin" for this car as No72171 and
I confirmed this number before I bought it.  The question that I
have for the list is, as with all great Olds's I know it will appreciate
in value, but will that value be greater if I leave it in the box or
can I open it and put it together for display????  ;-))....TIM

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:20:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: My new 67 442 W-30

Hi All,

    just thought I should drop a line and report that I have found
one of the elusive 67 442 W-30s.  I have many questions about
this car and would like to know if anybody else has been able to
find one.  From what an earlier post had said they were all suppose
to have been recalled, for a reason as yet to be determined.

   Someone earlier posted the "vin" for this car as No72171 and
I confirmed this number before I bought it.  The question that I
have for the list is, as with all great Olds's I know it will appreciate
in value, but will that value be greater if I leave it in the box or
can I open it and put it together for display????  ;-))....TIM

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:21:31 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: 455 Rocket Video

For those country music fans out there working on their Oldsmobiles right now, 
I
can't because it is raining, but I am watching the CMA  (Country Music
Association) Award show and Kathy Mattea's music video "455 Rocket" just won 
the
award for the country music video of the year.  All sorts of good stuff can be
found at the following web address: http://www.mattea.com/rocket.html


 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:08:23 -0400
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Alum. Heads - Update

Forrest Johnson wrote:
>
> New info from Edelbrock on their new Aluminum heads.
>
> "released approximately around the time of the SEMA Show which is
> November of this year"
>
> Hopefully more info to come...
>
> Forrest
> johnson@edisongroup.com
Thanks for the update - Please keep me posted.....

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:40:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mancinj@aol.com
Subject: '70 VC Hinges

Help!

Does anyone have a lead on locating back door hinges for a 1970 Vista
Cruiser?

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:44:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Floor Pans

Has anyone ever put new floor pans in their car? Is this a hard task? What
parts store has the best floor pans for a 442/cutlass?

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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:57:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Floor Pans

i am going to need to put new floor pans in my car.  i think it is an easy
task if you have the proper tools. like a cutting torch and a mig welder.
 before starting you should have the new pan on top of the old one and trace
the outline.  after you trace the outline you can then start to cut.  try to
cut about an inch to two inches inside the line.  this will give you
something to weld to.  i am not sure which year car you have so i cant tell
you much about the floor pan braces.

mikey tvb@aol.com

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