
oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 16 1997      Volume 01 : Number 802



Re: SAGA: 70 SX
Re: 1/4 mile times
Re: 45 Degree 425
Comparitive ET's
Re: Some Questions
Re: 72 442 convertible frames
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
Re: 1/4 mile times
Re: carbs
Re: carbs
Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
SB-42?
Re: Upcoming Chicago Tribune Olds Feature Article
B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
School Daze
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
1966 Cutlass  FS........     pictures
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
"On the road agina..."
Re: 72 442 convertible frames
Re: script in Lansing?
1/4 mile 
Re: "On the road agina..."
Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
Re: carbs
Final Lansing WhoWhere List for Toro Email List
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Lansing Chicken Band Operations
Re: script in Lansing?
'86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
saga
Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
Re: Chromeplated bumpers 1970 Cutlass
455 Flywheel
Re: SAGA
Crane cams
455 Flywheel
Re: carbs
Re: SB-42?
Last chance?
Re: carbs
Re: 455 Flywheel
Re: carbs
Re: Crane cams
Re: carbs
Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
Re: Last chance?
Re: Last Chance
Re: North/South
Re: Hurst/Olds Stuff
OOPS!
Re: 1966 Cutlass  FS........     pictures
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
Re: Last chance?
Cool radio promo
Re: Cool radio promo
Re: Hurst aero kit availability
High temp ideas needed
Final Lansing WhoWhere List for Toro Email List (fwd)
Lansing Chicken Band Operations (fwd)
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Re: carbs
Re: Lansing Chicken Band Operations (fwd)
Re: 72 442 convertible frames

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:18:26 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: SAGA: 70 SX

When I read about Dr. Bob's adventures, I thought someone was writing an
unauthorized biography about MY life........they should make a
made-for-TV movie......maybe call it "Dr. Olds and the Curse of the
Midnight Ratchet", or "A Mid-Summer Night's Dream At Engine Bay".

Excuse me a moment;

(Why yes, nurse, I'll have another sedative.......)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:29:13 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: 1/4 mile times

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> I have a question about performance when drag racing
> What would be some causes of a car Having a low ET like 13.5 - 13.6
> but only producing speeds of 94 - 96 mph and even as low as 89 mph
> I'm getting 1.8 60 ft'ers
> I'm using slicks, So lots of traction
> Any help appreciated
> 
> Rob Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com

Ok, this sounds to me like a fuel problem, do you have a fuel pressure
guage?? if not get one, you need at least 4 psi of fuel pressure when
you are going through the traps and around 7 psi idle with a Q jet. Also
check your plugs to see if it is running lean... I'll bet that you get
that car in the 12's once you get it squared away!! ;-)

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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Date: Wed, 06 Aug 1997 16:37:51 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: 45 Degree 425

Daren & Laurie,

	All I can say is, WOW!  ....and of course, thanks!!  You have been an
encouragement to me where this project is concerned.  I'm getting more
entused by the minute.... David

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
> 
> > I have a '65 Olds 88 Dynamic with the above mentioned 425 motor.
> > Dave
> 
> I'll start by telling you it has 310 hp and 450 lb-ft. of torque. A 4 bbl.
> duel exhaust will wake this engine up. A cam and around 3.55 rear gear
> should get you moving pretty good. My '65 Dynamic with basically no options
> and less the a quarter tank of gas weighs a little over 4100 lbs. so you'll
> want to set it up to get a lot of low to mid range torque. PST has the most
> complete rebuild kits that I've seen anywhere. The last time I check a 425
> kit was $525 which is a good price considering everything you get. I
> haven't used an engine kit from them but I did get my suspension kit from
> them. You my have to look around a little for a 45 degree cam but they are
> out there (PST, Mondello have them). Actually that 2 bbl. flows about
> 460-480 cfm. Which isn't all that bad. If you have any more questions ask
> away.
> 
> www.p-s-t.com
> 
> Daren

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:48:39 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Comparitive ET's

Would there be a significant difference in the ET's of my car vs. say a
72? If so (most likely), why? Because I have those Smog Dog heads?
- -- 
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Matt Cremean
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http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:06:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: RegalBG@aol.com
Subject: Re: Some Questions

Thank you for your help.  Now I'll be able to go smoke some tires!!!

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:10:42 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: 72 442 convertible frames

> Is the body that heavy? What about just welding a piece in there?

Without the pillar support of a hard top , yes.  And yes, if your
capable and know the proper areas to box you can.  I've considered doing
it myself because rust-free 66 hardtop frames are quite a bit more
abundant than rust free convertible frames.
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:18:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

The Lansing Center is a convention hall

Doug H
Holt MI
70 CS Convt.

>
> >The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles,
> >etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear
> >on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the
> >locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...
>
> It appears to be a local convention center, to judge from what I see at
>
> http://www.lansing.org/lcenter.html
>
> >I'm also confused re. where the 2500 or so show cars will actually be
> >displayed. There is no show field indicated on any of the maps. There are
> >several areas designated for "Oldsmobiles on Display" but these look like
> >streets, not one large area, and they are scattered about downtown. Is
> >that how it's going to be done, with streets blocked off for displays?
>
> Looks to be that way. Here's what the Lansing Center is saying:
>
> 6/1/97 - 9/30/97
> Oldsmobile's 100th Year Anniversary
> Exhibit featuring vehicles representing significant eras of Oldsmobile's
> history. $3 adults, $2 seniors/students, children under 5 free.
>
>     R E Olds Transportation Museum
>     240 Museum Drive
>     Lansing
>     Phone: (517) 372-0529
>
> 8/20/97 - 8/23/97
> Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration
> Join the festivities as Oldsmobile celebrates its 100th Anniversary
> with displays of over 2,000 Oldsmobile vehicles, a swap meet,
> birthday cake, a historic parade, 38-mile motorcade and live
> entertainment. Most events are free to the general public.
>
>     Downtown Lansing
>     Phone: (800) 255-OLDS
>
>
> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

I believe they will be in the streets Down Town

>
>
> I've received the registration info from Olds along with a copy of the
> Olds Today newspaper, both of which have a bunch of maps and info on the
> 100th celebration. A couple of points remain hazy, so maybe someone can
> clear them up.
>
> The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles,
> etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear
> on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the
> locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...
>
> I'm also confused re. where the 2500 or so show cars will actually be
> displayed. There is no show field indicated on any of the maps. There are
> several areas designated for "Oldsmobiles on Display" but these look like
> streets, not one large area, and they are scattered about downtown. Is
> that how it's going to be done, with streets blocked off for displays? I
> had assumed from my visit to the Homecoming show last year that the cars
> would be on display in the massive Olds lot around the plant and admin
> building. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know?
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:26:59 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: 1/4 mile times

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> From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 1/4 mile times
> Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 3:37 PM
> 
> I have a question about performance when drag racing
> What would be some causes of a car Having a low ET like 13.5 - 13.6 
> but only producing speeds of 94 - 96 mph and even as low as 89 mph
> I'm getting 1.8 60 ft'ers
> I'm using slicks, So lots of traction
> Any help appreciated
> 
> Rob Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com
Your combination gets good tracton and pulls fairly hard through first but
doesnt have the power to pull in the higher gears. It could be a fuel
problem but I bet it is just a lack of torque once it shifts. My 327
produced simalar times. It would run 13.20 -13.30 at about 100- to 102 in a
3600 lb car. Replaceing it with a stout 400 it dropped to 12.52 @ 107. My
times were on street tires but at the Texas Motorplex where we go it hooks
up pretty good. I know.... its not a Olds but I my Olds has never been to
the strip and it would be more in the 17-18 second range if it did. Its a
crusin car and  man is it great for that.
Walter 

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:36:21 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: carbs

Well if they are 68 vintage does that change the cfm? Also what will a
stock 455 handle?

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:25:46 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: carbs

QJETS came two sizes - 750 and 800 CFM. BB motors had the larger units 
.Primary venturi sizes were 1-3/32 and 1-7/32.

				The General

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:37:28 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street

I have a worked 68 455 with 10.5-1 compression. (actually 9.6-1). She has
550
foot lbs. of torque and that is all you need. Forget the big carb - 650
with vacuum
secondaries is fine. Headers with a 2.5 inch ****master exaust is fine.
electronic
ignition and outside air induction gibe my 67' C/S enough power. Forget the

rolller cam but use roller rockers. The big trick is keeping the tires on
the ground.
One more thing..PLEASE tell me you also plan to run 12" disk brakes
!!!!!!!!

				The General

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:38:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: DATIC@aol.com
Subject: SB-42?

Hey Y'all

     Just a quick question (while taking a break from block sanding the acres
of
Dynamic 88 sheetmetal), what's up with SB-42? When is it up for review again?

     TIA

     Dave T.

     1966 Dynamic 88 'vert ( probably painting this weekend!)
     1996 VW GTI (the commuter module)
     1973 VW Sport Bug (the race car?)

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Upcoming Chicago Tribune Olds Feature Article

In a message dated 97-08-15 11:11:42 EDT, you write:

<< Unrelated comment #2: Anyone know if Honda Civics and Accords from
 about 1986 onwards are interference design or not? (Re: Timing belts)
  >>

I have a 1989 Accord LXI and I just replaced my timing belt and water cooler
at 112K miles for a cool $960.  

Tom Simmons
71 SX

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:56:28 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

OK, the source for this is not an Olds, but it applies to you later-model B
and C-body folks ('77-'84 Delta's and 98's). When I parted my '76 Monte
Carlo, I pulled the whole rear axle, including its rear anti-sway bar. Well,
I took the posi guts out of the 10-bolt rear, and figured what the heck, let
me grab the sway bar as well.

I had it in the trunk of my '78 Electra (a C-body, like the 98's), and
before I put it in storage, I figured, what the heck, let me get the creeper
and see if it will fit my wallowing boat. Fit like a _glove_! Could not have
gone on more smoothly had I just taken it off the Electra.

So, for you late-model Delta and 98 owners out there (that means you,
Greg!), find a '73-'77 A-body or G-body with a rear sway bar (the Monte's,
GP's and Supremes often seem to have these), and 8 bolts later, you'll have
a flat-handling car! Only took my 20 minutes to get on there and tighten it up. 
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 18:13:57 -0500
From: ngomez@airmail.net (Nick Gomez)
Subject: School Daze

Well, looks like I'm going to start school on the 27th, so I'm going to
have to unsubscribe for a while. I hope to be back on real soon though.

I just have some finishing things to do on my car and I'll be on my way. I
hope it makes it from Dallas to Austin, I'm pretty sure it will.

Well, I've really enjoyed being on the list, and I am thankful for all the
help I've recieved. Take care, and I'll see you all again real soon...
Nick

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:38:03 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
 
> The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles,
> etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear
> on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the
> locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...

Greg, look at the big map in the Olds Today issue.  The Lansing Center
is located on Michigan Avenue, across the street from Oldsmobile Park. 
There is a covered walkway that connects this building with the
Radisson.  Lansing Center must be their civic center.
 
> I'm also confused re. where the 2500 or so show cars will actually be
> displayed. There is no show field indicated on any of the maps. There are
> several areas designated for "Oldsmobiles on Display" but these look like
> streets, not one large area, and they are scattered about downtown. Is
> that how it's going to be done, with streets blocked off for displays? I
> had assumed from my visit to the Homecoming show last year that the cars
> would be on display in the massive Olds lot around the plant and admin
> building. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know?

Look at the map again.  I think the parade cars will be place along the
streets, from what I'm understanding from folks who have cars that will
be in the parade.  There are also purple shaded areas in Riverfront
Park, outside of Oldsmobile Park, there's a lot at the corner of
Kalamazoo & Grand, another lot at the corner of Saginaw & Grand (and the
flea market in the pink area between the car show lot and the river, and
another lot all the way on the other end of town at Butler & Kalamazoo
(hope I'm not parking there).  I'm sure Olds doens't have the room
around the plants and headquarters because of having parking for the
factory employees.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:47:19 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: 1966 Cutlass  FS........     pictures

Nice Cutlass to restore. Runs and drives excellent.  350 Motor 2-speed
auto. Console, buckets, tinted windows.no rust. More info, email for return
pictures    maldana@digitalwave.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:17:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
> So, for you late-model Delta and 98 owners out there (that means you,
> Greg!), find a '73-'77 A-body or G-body with a rear sway bar (the Monte's,
> GP's and Supremes often seem to have these), and 8 bolts later, you'll have
> a flat-handling car! Only took my 20 minutes to get on there and tighten it up. 

Funny you should mention it... I was just thinking about this. I do want 
to put a rear bar on the Delta along with upsizing the front bar. That 
would make it a really sweet driver. I didn't know that a G-body bar from 
that vintage would fit though. I've been cruising junqueyards in search 
of ex-police car C*prices with these items. Thanks for the tip. 

Did you need to take any special bracketry or shims from the Monte to 
make the rear bar fit?

This Delta is one neat car, BTW. I was out running errands this afternoon 
and I'm always impressed with the power the thing has from a standing 
start or when you step on it around town. With those sway bars and some 
new shocks I imagine it would be extremely pleasant to drive. Nothing 
like a Rocket 350 4-bbl (unless it's a 455!)... the only grumble 
engine-wise for me is a slightly rough idle. I suspect a vacuum leak. 
Plugs, PCV and air filter are recent, carb idle screws are sealed as I 
recall, not sure what else it could be. With preparing for my move and 
the trip to Lansing I really haven't given it much of a look yet. Should 
get a service manual in Lansing. 

With it's proper shiny wheel covers, new whitewalls and a wax job it looks
pretty impressive too for a parts chaser/beater. Nice front end design on
those '77-'79 full-sizers. Some paint touch-up sometime in the future will
really go a long way. Biggest disappointment that I wasn't expecting was
that I found a rust hole in the trunk floor about the size of a dollar
bill folded in half, near the left wheelhouse.  Damn. Missed that
pre-purchase. Will have to get brother Dave to weld in a patch, doesn't
look like a big deal. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:24:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> Look at the map again.  I think the parade cars will be place along the
> streets, from what I'm understanding from folks who have cars that will
> be in the parade.  There are also purple shaded areas in Riverfront
> Park, outside of Oldsmobile Park, there's a lot at the corner of
> Kalamazoo & Grand, another lot at the corner of Saginaw & Grand (and the
> flea market in the pink area between the car show lot and the river, and
> another lot all the way on the other end of town at Butler & Kalamazoo
> (hope I'm not parking there).  I'm sure Olds doens't have the room
> around the plants and headquarters because of having parking for the
> factory employees.

Probably so. That's disappointing though. It just won't be as impressive 
having them scattered all over the place. Guess the shuttles will get a 
workout. Anyone know the walking distances from, say, Oldsmobile Park to 
the State Capitol? 

Anyone know the location of the swap meet? I see no mention anywhere...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:02:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: "On the road agina..."

Hi, Folks.

Just want to let you know my [son's] '69 442 is back on the road.  The
non-C-type, 12-bolt axle from Dutchman Axle fit just like it was
supposed to.

Minor tweaking after back on the road - dirt in idle jets worked through? 
- - required adjusting idle and found a cracked vacuum hose to the PCV
valve.  Car is running great.

Take care.

Don Sugarman

sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:08:46 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 convertible frames

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> 
>  Who did this to my post?  The first sentence should read:
> "You probably know that much of the convertible frame is boxed".
> I am getting tired of this cheap computer making these mistakes.  I have had
> to throw away many pens that have gotten to misspelling & other
> idiosyncrasies.  This computer is next.
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> > Ken,
> >
> >You have probably that much of the convertible frame is boxed.  I believe
> >that they  are no different except for this welding
Bill,

I seem to have purchased the same computer as you.  I notice that
sometimes the words on the little screen are not quite what I was
thinking when I tried to do the input.  I had trouble like that when I
used to write essays for English and other classes in school.  It was
not that I didn't know what was correct, it is just sometimes I have a
tendency to think faster than I can type (or at that time write).  If
that symbolizes old age or senility I got an early start.  It also seems
to work like that when talking from time to time also.  I would prefer
to think the mind is too quick, but it is probably the other parts are
too slow.  Either way it can make you wonder if you are losing it.

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 19:19:10 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: script in Lansing?

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Teresa Stump wrote:

>
>
> I know that several of you are going to Lansing, and I was
> wondering... Could you please keep an eye our for my fender script!
> I need the front  "dynamic 88" fender script for my 63 Dynamic 88.
> I can't go. as Fresno is just a little too far away. I also need the
> right rear taillight bezzle (sp) mine is a little pitted.

There was one in Wolf Point (about 85 miles from me).  I remember
noticing the car, but was desperate after other parts and pressed for
time.  Next time I'm down there during business hours, I'll check it
out, and see if it's the right thing.  It's the fender, not the 1/4
scripts, right?  Are they the same left to right?  I seem to recall one
side being an "ynamic 88" but didn't notice the other.  Not sure when
that'll be, but I'll check for ya.
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             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!


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Teresa Stump wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;

<P>I know that several of you are going to Lansing, and I was wondering...
Could you please keep an eye our for my fender script!
<BR>I need the front&nbsp; "dynamic 88" fender script for my 63 Dynamic
88.
<BR>I can't go. as Fresno is just a little too far away. I also need the
right rear taillight bezzle (sp) mine is a little pitted.</BLOCKQUOTE>
There was one in Wolf Point (about 85 miles from me).&nbsp; I remember
noticing the car, but was desperate after other parts and pressed for time.&nbsp;
Next time I'm down there during business hours, I'll check it out, and
see if it's the right thing.&nbsp; It's the fender, not the 1/4 scripts,
right?&nbsp; Are they the same left to right?&nbsp; I seem to recall one
side being an "ynamic 88" but didn't notice the other.&nbsp; Not sure when
that'll be, but I'll check for ya.
<BR>--
<BR>&nbsp;
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:35:11 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 1/4 mile 

I have a question about performance when drag racing
What would be some causes of a car Having a low ET like 13.5 - 13.6 
but only producing speeds of 94 - 96 mph and even as low as 89 mph
I'm getting 1.8 60 ft'ers
I'm using slicks, So lots of traction
Any h*lp appreciated

Bob Schinkel

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:44:44 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: "On the road agina..."

Congratulations on finally solving the axle problem. Also found a source in
Portland, IN and talked to the guy today. He figures he can straighten my
axle for $20 but if it's too bad (I don't think it is), he will make a new
one for $150.
I got the same "10 bolt with a 12 bolt case" story too. Does anyone know
what this means? Like Don's, mine is a type "O" without the "C" clips.
The only problem now is to decide whether or not to pull the axle and try to
get it fixed before Lansing. My experience seems to match Bob Barry's so I
think I'll wait.
The axle source is:
Moser Engineering,
Portland, IN
Ph. (219)726-6689

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 8:02 PM
Subject: "On the road agina..."



>
>Hi, Folks.
>
>Just want to let you know my [son's] '69 442 is back on the road.
<snip>
  Car is running great.
>
>Take care.
>
>Don Sugarman
>
>sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:07:57 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street

General what kind of cam were you using?
Terry Teague 
68 455 Delta Custom

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:09:16 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: carbs

thanks for the info you wouldn't have any carb #'s for those carbs would
you?

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:11:26 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Final Lansing WhoWhere List for Toro Email List

Toro email list of who's staying where in Lansing.

NAME                   HOTEL                 DATES              CAR
=====================================================================
Braun, Ralph        Hampton
Fetherston, Rob     Red Roof            8/20-23     Black '66 Toro
Kalkhoff, Greg      Red Roof            8/20-23     Lt blue '66 Toro
Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West        8/19-23     Gold '70 Supreme Conv
Ludlam, Gregg       Days Inn So.                    Red/Blk '67 Toro
Moore, Tony         Hampton             8/20-23     (Rental) 
Olinger, Tom        Hampton Inn         8/18-23     Grn 69 Toro/Gold 69 Vista
Parker, Moira       Fairfield West                  Dark Gray '89 Cutlass
Williamson, Glenn   Holiday West                    Lt Blu '76 98

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

Hi Greg,

> to put a rear bar on the Delta along with upsizing the front bar. That   
> would make it a really sweet driver. I didn't know that a G-body bar from
> that vintage would fit though. I've been cruising junqueyards in search
> of ex-police car C*prices with these items.

I wouldn't bother upgrading the front stabilizer bar.  These cars were
originally set up with plenty of understeer.  Adding a thicker front bar
will only increase this tendency.  Also, a police car specification rear
stabilizer (26mm) in conjunction with the stock front one will still
result in front-end plow near the limit.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:42:31 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Lansing Chicken Band Operations

Ladies and Germs,

If there's no dissention, CB Channel 15 has been selected as the channel for 
Lansing operations, particularly the Thursday eve get-together for Toronado and 
Olds email lists and Rocket Road Assistance contacts.  This is from 4-7 PM at 
the Holiday Inn West, 7501 West Saginaw Highway.

I'm leaving Washington DC area Sunday AM for Dearborn, will be in Lansing Tue 
afternoon, driving a gold '70 Cutlass Supreme convertible and monitoring Channel 
15.

Keep the shiny side up, the rubber side down and your back door clean, good 
buddies!  (Arrgh.)

See yas in Lansing!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

Please cc me on any comments, as I'm not s*bscribed to the email lists-

Have a good trip!

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 20:45:40 +0000
From: TERRANCE ROHNER <tthiel@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: script in Lansing?

> Teresa Stump wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>      I know that several of you are going to Lansing, and I was
>      wondering... Could you please keep an eye our for my fender
>      script!
>      I need the front  "dynamic 88" fender script for my 63
>      Dynamic 88.
>      I can't go. as Fresno is just a little too far away. I also
>      need the right rear taillight bezzle (sp) mine is a little
>      pitted.
> 
 yes i know where one is. how much are you willing to pay for them.
      please email me tonight or early tommorrow morning fo that i am
leaving for the weekend.

                 terrance    tthiel@lyrea.com

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Date: 15 Aug 1997 19:08:42 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

I looked in the Auto Trader today (for the SF bay area) and down in the
south bay there is an '86 Hurst/Olds for sale for $900 obo.  Owner is
selling as-is, so I'm curious if it has problems passing smog or needs
parts.  Ad did say it ran, and needed some work..  Has T-tops as well.
Would this be a good car to purchase and put a few hours wrenching time
into?  It would be my second car, next to my '78 Delta 88, which if I
ever get the time to fix up, I'd need another driver...

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:25:07 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> 
> I looked in the Auto Trader today (for the SF bay area) and down in the
> south bay there is an '86 Hurst/Olds for sale for $900 obo.  Owner is
> selling as-is, so I'm curious if it has problems passing smog or needs
> parts.  Ad did say it ran, and needed some work..  Has T-tops as well.
> Would this be a good car to purchase and put a few hours wrenching time
> into?  It would be my second car, next to my '78 Delta 88, which if I
> ever get the time to fix up, I'd need another driver...

To my knowledge there waw never an 86 Hurst/Olds made....only 442's.
Beware. 
 

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project 
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:05:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: saga

Wow, what a weekend!
I was wondering why fiddle with the busted off xst bolts... trying to make a
driver I guess. Those really need a torch, even a small one can do wonders-
propane or MAPP gas.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:04:35 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
> 
> I looked in the Auto Trader today (for the SF bay area) and down in the
> south bay there is an '86 Hurst/Olds for sale for $900 obo.

It's an Oldsmobile.  It's always worth more...Seriously, the 86 H/O,
wasn't available.  (The 88 Hurst aero-package was available in kit form
for 81-87 Olds's, but they were not known as an H/O 20th anniversay car
unless it was an '88 model.  Doc Watson built a few, and you could get
the kit for '88's, and they would be a 20th Anniversary car.  I know
Jeff Stanish has one of these kits for sale.  Confused yet?)  It could
be an 83, 84, or 88, which by far it is worth $900 if everything is
there.

It also could be a 442.  That was the "performance" option in '86.  If
you can call this person and get the VIN and post it here, we can tell
you what it is.  In fact, if it is silver with black at the bottom, it
is probably an 84, and black with silver bottom it is probably an 83. 
The '88's I believe were all white ones, but only a few of those were
made.  The code is W40 for the 83/84 H/O, and W42 for 85-87 442.  This
is on the service sticker under the trunk lid.  Look for those numbers. 
I don't know what they did for 88 H/O's.

In 1985, Olds was scheduled to come out with an H/O, but dropped the H/O
name because Mr. Gasket had just purchased Hurst, and they weren't going
to pay Mr. Gasket bigger bucks to use the H/O name in 85.  So the 442
was ressurected.  The 85 brochure was changed at the last minute. 
Evidence to this points at the options page for the Salon, which says
"4-4-2/Olds package available".  DUH!  Good thing it wasn't
"442/Ch*vy".  I think they just replaced the word "Hurst" with "4-4-2". 
The same drivetrain was used in the 85 442 as used in the 83-84 H/O.

My 2 cents,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:00:30 -0700
From: markops@Traveller.COM
Subject: Re: Chromeplated bumpers 1970 Cutlass

Mike Aldana wrote:
> 
> I have  front and rear bumpers from a 70 Cutlass. No cutouts, but  good
> cores to
> chrome. Show quality chroming is $210.00 plus shipping, under $30.00
> anywhere in US. I can have them plated in two weeks. Money back
> guarantee with a smile : (
> Return shipping is insured for $500.00 ea. in case something happens. If
> you
> send me your bumper as a good doable core, (exchange) i will return ship
> the chromed
> bumper for free. At this time i have front and rear for 71 cutlass already
> plated. same price. (on hold) pending deposit     sincerely  Mike Aldana
>   maldana@digitalwave.net

Mike,
Do you personaly do the re-chroming, or do you know of a good reliable
place that does the re-chroming ? Ive got a bumper set off my 71
chevelle that needs re-chromed. 
Pete M. (85 OLDs 442 / 71 malibu )

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:30:36 +0000
From: Ira <irahs@earthlink.net>
Subject: 455 Flywheel

I currently have a 350/turbo 350 in my 72 442.  In the near future I
will be replacing the 350 with a 455. Can someone please tell me if I
need to use the flywheel that came with the 455 (it was originally mated
to a turbo 400) or should I use the flywheel that is part of my current
350/turbo 350 combo? (will the flywheel from the turbo 350 mate to the
455)?

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:31:05 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: SAGA

Dr. Bob - I am forwarding your post to my other halfs mailbox so he can see
we're not the only people doing this stuff & having the same *fun*.  We'll
definately be thinking of you tomorrow as we pull the '69 home (in a Saga
much like yours, I am back to towing it home - 150 miles- with the trusty
Vista Cruiser - *sigh*) tomorrow.

Keep enjoying - somewhere along the line you'll think "it was all worth it"
- - but your never sure when that moment will be!!!


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:32:09 +0000
From: Ira <irahs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Crane cams

Does anybody have anything to say, good or bad, about crane cams in
oldsmobiles?

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:35:54 +0000
From: Ira <irahs@earthlink.net>
Subject: 455 Flywheel

I currently have a 350/turbo 350.  In the near future, I will be
replacing the 350 with a 455.  Can someone please tell me if I need to
use the flywheel that came with the 455 (is it compatable with the turbo
350) or can is use the flywheel that is in the car now with the
350/turbo 350?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:31:12 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: carbs

 General,

Weren't 800 cfm's for 1971 & later cars?  I thought that most early Q-Jets
were 650cfm's & got to 750's later.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>QJETS came two sizes - 750 and 800 CFM. BB motors had the larger units
>.Primary venturi sizes were 1-3/32 and 1-7/32.
>
> The General
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:42:01 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: SB-42?

There is supposed to be another vote "In August" - no specific date (that
I've read but I'm sure my other half who's best friend is a *F*rd fanatic
would know.  Have you sent in your e-mail support form?

It's at:  Bill SB-42 - SUPPORT E-MAIL FORM
http://exo.com/~jht/truck/sb-42/message2.html


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:44:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Last chance?

[[ to quote: ]]

Subject: Last Chance

I have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible with factory air parts car.
It has a 350 2bbl with automatic transmission. (Looks to be the original
motor) Have no idea if it will or could run. Does not have the interior
panels or console. Does have decent frame, good dash, good bucket seats and
rear seat (brown in color), side tinted glass (windshield is cracked),
still has convertible top pumps and motor (not sure of their condition),
gauges, etc. $500 and you pick it up. I will wait a month and then send to
junk yard as I can't leave where it is any longer than that. I live in
Thomaston Maine approximately 1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up the coast.
Please email me with questions. Would trade this car for a ram air hood
with the hold down pins that was in excellent condition.  -Al Barlow

[[ So, the engine may be junk... no interior... top pump & such may be
junk... What's left? "Decent" frame, from the rustbound NE? Ahem. Buckets?
Glass, seats. $500 sounds a bit steep to me, unless you can turn the motor,
verify that it's at least not frozen up. Even then, what's to guarantee against
cracks, spun bearing, etc.?

  Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?
How about selling the parts by the pound, like they pay for scrap metal?
I get about 2-2.5 *cents* per pound here for misc. steel. 35-40c/# for
aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000 hood,
no problem, eh? allrighty then.

  'Course, folks like that provide me with plenty o' fodder down at
Padnos, I guess! Hey, let's have the Olds email meeting at Padnos! Shoot,
they close at 4:45 pm... never mind! ]]
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:46:55 -0300
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: carbs

Patton wrote:
> 
> QJETS came two sizes - 750 and 800 CFM. BB motors had the larger units
> .Primary venturi sizes were 1-3/32 and 1-7/32.
> 
>                                 The General

So then my 73 Cutlass has a 750 QJ on it? No way!! I thought it would be
around 600!! C'mon, 600 is what it has to be!

- -- 
**********************************
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+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:42:21 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Flywheel

(will the flywheel from the turbo 350 mate to the 455)?

Ira, in the words of Jim Carrey's Ace Venura character...."LIKE A
GLOVE!"

I ordered a 307 flexplate for my 455 during the rebuild from GM.  Same
part #.

Hope this helps.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:48:25 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: carbs

Bill - did you ever find out about the Q-jet on that '67 Delta being parted
out?

Did I miss your reply - I wouldn't be surprised at all :-)


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:46:58 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Crane cams

Ira wrote:
> 
> Does anybody have anything to say, good or bad, about crane cams in
> oldsmobiles?


They fit, they function, and they are pretty reliable.  I once used one
in a 455 build up, something like a 496/514 lift, 292 duration, can't
remember exactly.  It ran like a striped monkey from about 2000 rpm up. 
I was killing it with 3.08 gears though.

2 cents, (brings us to a total of $.06)
Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:53:46 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: carbs

 Lisa,

I haven't gotten back there as yet w/the 2 new businesses my partners have
gotten us into.  I hope to correct this next week.  At least I learned that
the man will sell parts off it.  That means the body trim will be available.
I haven't learned if he will separate that engine as yet.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>
>Bill - did you ever find out about the Q-jet on that '67 Delta being parted
>out?
>
>Did I miss your reply - I wouldn't be surprised at all :-)
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
>Metal Forever
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:03:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street

AND WHERE EXACTLY DID THOSE DISC BRAKES COME FROM, I HAVE 2 67
A-BODIES...........

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:00:44 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Last chance?

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
>   Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
> then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
> even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
> a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?

Chris, ever so right.  Must be a Northeastern thing. When I was in the
Navy stationed in NH, I went south of Boston to find a "winter" car
(read "beater").  68 442, totally ratted out, rag joint gone, literally,
and a string from dash to choke mechanism!!!  When I wouldn't give the
guy $650 for it, he threatened that if I didn't buy it that he would
sell it to the junk yard. I told him I would help him call the junkyard
and match their price.  Needless to say, I made the two hour trip home. 
When I was almost home, I spotted a 71 98 for sale by the road.  455,
power everything, 73K miles for $75!!!!  Minor rust and dents, and it
was only two blocks from the house.  I drove that sucker for 2 years.  I
guess things happen for a reason.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:12:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Last Chance

to al, does this car have disc brakes? plz let me know
RCKTPWR@AOL.COM......thanx

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:16:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: North/South

i guess u didnt like the fact the yankees SWEEPING the braves last
year!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:20:19 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Stuff

Tom, I actually get to use this statement and mean it...."the check is
in the mail."  I sent the check for 85.00 on Friday. You should see it
in a few days.

Thanks.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:23:12 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: OOPS!

Sorry for that post about parts deals.  I meant to send that to him
personally.  My bad.


Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:31:37 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: 1966 Cutlass  FS........     pictures

Mike Aldana wrote:
> 
> Nice Cutlass to restore. Runs and drives excellent.  350 Motor 2-speed
> auto. Console, buckets, tinted windows.no rust. More info, email for return
> pictures    maldana@digitalwave.net

Hi again Mike, we spoke on the phone, may I see some photos?

- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:04:47 -0700
From: markops@Traveller.COM
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

markops@Traveller.COM wrote:
> 
> Hey, Im new to your Olds list and I have a couple of questions regarding
> body panels on an 85 Olds Cutlass Salon 442. My question is whether
> the entire front clip assembly, front fenders and hood off of an 84
> standard cutlass or off an 85 standard cutlass are interchangeable with
> the 85 442. Ive found a couple of parts cars but I havent made any
> measurements. Does anybody know whether these body panel swaps are
> possible? The reason Im asking is that up until 2 weeks ago I had a
> cherry 85 442 that I wrecked (no fault of my own) and the insurance
> company considers it a 'total'. 

Hey olds list,
Just wanted to first of all thank everyone who responded and supported
me  in dealing with the insurance slime after my wreck. I got some very
helpful feedback. Wanted to let you know that after almost a whole 2
weeks of bickering with the other guys insurance company, they came back
with offers a total of 4 times with the first offer at $2400. Ended up
settling the property claim (85 Olds Salon 442) at $4600 and got to keep
the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse than it really is).
Through this agreement with the insurance company, I have to give up my
title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a "salvage title". Im
wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a cleared title after a
qaualified shop done the repairs and got it recertified - after an
incident. 

Pete M. (85 Olds 442 / 71 malibu )

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:39:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

did u say the aero kits aare still avail?? would like to look into one for my
86 salon..thanx

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:40:19 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Last chance?

> 
> [[ So, the engine may be junk... no interior... top pump & such may be
> junk... What's left? "Decent" frame, from the rustbound NE? Ahem. Buckets?
> Glass, seats. $500 sounds a bit steep to me, unless you can turn the motor,
> verify that it's at least not frozen up. Even then, what's to guarantee against
> cracks, spun bearing, etc.?
> 
>   Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
> then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
> even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
> a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?
> How about selling the parts by the pound, like they pay for scrap metal?
> I get about 2-2.5 *cents* per pound here for misc. steel. 35-40c/# for
> aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
> the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000 hood,
> no problem, eh? allrighty then.

So, tell us what you REALLY think?  
- -- 

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: DATIC@aol.com
Subject: Cool radio promo

Greetings,

     Heard a very appropriate radio promo tonite on the way home. A couple of
radio stations have switched frequencies here in the bay area, and 107.7 KSAN
has some little blurbs promoting their classic rock format. One goes" If you
ever owned a car with a 4-barrel carburator, then this is your radio
station". The other one, which tickled me no end, says " If 4-4-2 meant more
to you than just your locker combination, then this is your radio station."  

     Later

     Dave T.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:47:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cool radio promo

sounds like a pretty cool radio station

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 01:47:52 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst aero kit availability

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> did u say the aero kits aare still avail?? would like to look into one for my
> 86 salon..thanx

No, not really.  The 1988 Hurst kit is not available commercially.  I do
know of an individual that has one for sale, though.  Or at least he
USED to have it.  E-mail me privately if you are interested.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 03:14:32 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: High temp ideas needed

A posting on the list earlier today about using a torch reminded of
something I would like to see if anyone has any ideas on.  A few years
ago a friend of mine (who is a tinkerer, engineer and sometimes
inventor) designed a torch for hand held gas canisters that was
significantly hotter than anything on the market.  He contacted several
of the main tool places (Black & Decker, Sears, etc.) without success. 
When he was over at the house this spring, I asked him if anyone had
marketed or designed a product equal or superior yet.  Anyway, the
posting on using a torch made me think of it again.  It would seem to me
a market would exist for a small portable torch capable of extreme
temperatures in auto restoration, maintenance, or other applications
dealing with classic cars.  It seems to me a tool like that reasonably
priced might be something people who drive their Olds or other classic
might want in the tool chest at home or in the trunk.  I got to
wondering if someone on the list might have any legitimate ideas of
people that would be interested in looking at his designs.  Anyone who
might want to e-mail me privately can do so at dstaxpro@lex.infi.net 

Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.  I don't have any stake in this
other than trying to help a friend realize something out of several
years research and development and a large amount of cash outlay. 
Besides, people who turn wrenches either as a hobby or for a living are
always looking for something that makes their job easier.  I know with
all the people from different areas and walks of life, somebody might
have a good suggestion.  Thank you for your time.

Don Sowers

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:09:32 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Final Lansing WhoWhere List for Toro Email List (fwd)

Bounced due to header line, #1 of 2...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:11:26 -0400
From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
Subject: Final Lansing WhoWhere List for Toro Email List

Toro email list of who's staying where in Lansing.

NAME                   HOTEL                 DATES              CAR
=====================================================================
Braun, Ralph        Hampton
Fetherston, Rob     Red Roof            8/20-23     Black '66 Toro
Kalkhoff, Greg      Red Roof            8/20-23     Lt blue '66 Toro
Kitchener, Doug     Holiday West        8/19-23     Gold '70 Supreme Conv
Ludlam, Gregg       Days Inn So.                    Red/Blk '67 Toro
Moore, Tony         Hampton             8/20-23     (Rental) 
Olinger, Tom        Hampton Inn         8/18-23     Grn 69 Toro/Gold 69 Vista
Parker, Moira       Fairfield West                  Dark Gray '89 Cutlass
Williamson, Glenn   Holiday West                    Lt Blu '76 98

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:11:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing Chicken Band Operations (fwd)

#2 of 2...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 22:42:31 -0400
From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
Subject: Lansing Chicken Band Operations

Ladies and Germs,

If there's no dissention, CB Channel 15 has been selected as the channel for 
Lansing operations, particularly the Thursday eve get-together for Toronado and 
Olds email lists and Rocket Road Assistance contacts.  This is from 4-7 PM at 
the Holiday Inn West, 7501 West Saginaw Highway.

I'm leaving Washington DC area Sunday AM for Dearborn, will be in Lansing Tue 
afternoon, driving a gold '70 Cutlass Supreme convertible and monitoring Channel 
15.

Keep the shiny side up, the rubber side down and your back door clean, good 
buddies!  (Arrgh.)

See yas in Lansing!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

Please cc me on any comments, as I'm not s*bscribed to the email lists-

Have a good trip!

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:24:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Kevin Wong wrote:
> I wouldn't bother upgrading the front stabilizer bar.  These cars were
> originally set up with plenty of understeer.  Adding a thicker front bar
> will only increase this tendency.  Also, a police car specification rear
> stabilizer (26mm) in conjunction with the stock front one will still
> result in front-end plow near the limit.

Part of my thinking here is based on my buddy Brian's '79 Caprice. He did
this -- actually, he bought the rear bar new from GM, turns out they are
still stocking them since the suspension on the "Moby Dick" style C*prices
made up to '96 is the same from '77 up -- and found an ex-RCMP car in a
junkyard with a front bar that looked to be about 1 3/8" in diameter. I
drove it after he installed both. Aside from being a gutless wonder
engine-wise, it corners absolutely flat. Quite amazing actually. Almost
too responsive, in that I think you could get into some trouble if you
panic and jerk the steering wheel in a crisis. But it firmed up the entire
car very nicely. 

Of late I've been noticing these cars on the street and looking underneath
for rear bars. Many seem to have them so it shouldn't be too hard to find.
It seems that they made different diameters too. F-41 Ch*vys seem to have
the biggest, while Cadillacs have a rear bar that looks to be a piece of
spaghetti. I saw an early-80s 98 with one that seemed in between.

But yours is good advice. I think I'll start with the rear bar and see 
how it goes. I know it made a good deal of difference when I put one on 
my Cutlass (still looking for the thick front job for it).

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:18:05 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: carbs

If you look at the actual flow bench cfm, the 750 cfm Q-jet only flows
around 592 cfm. I read this in a q-jet book.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN
On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 02:46:55 -0300 Matt Cremean
<ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu> writes:
>Patton wrote:
>> 
>> QJETS came two sizes - 750 and 800 CFM. BB motors had the larger 
>units
>> .Primary venturi sizes were 1-3/32 and 1-7/32.
>> 
>>                                 The General
>
>So then my 73 Cutlass has a 750 QJ on it? No way!! I thought it would 
>be
>around 600!! C'mon, 600 is what it has to be!
>
>-- 
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>CreamerSoftİ Software
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
>**********************************
>

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:33:33 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Lansing Chicken Band Operations (fwd)

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:11:08 -0300 (ADT) Greg Beaulieu
<ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> writes:
I thought it used to be Keep the shiny side up, the rubber side down and
the bears off your *ss

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN
>
>Keep the shiny side up, the rubber side down and your back door clean, 
>good 
>buddies!  (Arrgh.)
>
>See yas in Lansing!
>
>Doug Kitchener
>dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us
>
>Please cc me on any comments, as I'm not s*bscribed to the email 
>lists-
>
>Have a good trip!
>
>

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 07:14:56 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: 72 442 convertible frames

Just remember: Garbage In = Garbage Out !!!

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:08:46 -0400 Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
writes:
>Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>> 
>>  Who did this to my post?  The first sentence should read:
>> "You probably know that much of the convertible frame is boxed".
>> I am getting tired of this cheap computer making these mistakes.  I 
>have had
>> to throw away many pens that have gotten to misspelling & other
>> idiosyncrasies.  This computer is next.
>> Bill Culp
>> Decatur, Alabama
>> 
>> > Ken,
>> >
>> >You have probably that much of the convertible frame is boxed.  I 
>believe
>> >that they  are no different except for this welding
>Bill,
>
>I seem to have purchased the same computer as you.  I notice that
>sometimes the words on the little screen are not quite what I was
>thinking when I tried to do the input.  I had trouble like that when I
>used to write essays for English and other classes in school.  It was
>not that I didn't know what was correct, it is just sometimes I have a
>tendency to think faster than I can type (or at that time write).  If
>that symbolizes old age or senility I got an early start.  It also 
>seems
>to work like that when talking from time to time also.  I would prefer
>to think the mind is too quick, but it is probably the other parts are
>too slow.  Either way it can make you wonder if you are losing it.
>

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