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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 19 1997       Volume 01 : Number 808



delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: GuageHelp
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Where are you?
Re: GuageHelp
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Re: GuageHelp
Re: Cutlass 2 1/2" Tailpipes
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: GuageHelp
Re: Last Chance
Re: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y
Re: Non-Olds: Part needed badly!
Rallye packs and people gone.
Parts
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Re: GuageHelp
Re: GuageHelp
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: People gone.
Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: Mileage tip for HEI users
parts wanted
Convertible Top for '66 Cutlass
Re: opinions on tires?
69 gauges
GuageHelp
Re: GuageHelp
Re: GuageHelp
Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
Re: Where are you?
RE: opinions on tires?
RE: opinions on tires?
RE: Parts
RE: People gone.
RE: opinions on tires?
RE: opinions on tires?
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: Mileage tip for HEI users
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: opinions on tires?
GuageHelp
UNBOUNCE: VIN Info
UNBOUNCE: 67 Cutlass
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: GuageHelp

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:37:51 -0400
From: issval@maracaibo.ipm.slb.com (ISSVAL)
Subject: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

Anybody out there?

Here is my last update before going on holidays:

-John Pajak: 65
-Laura D. Steinke: 66 (Pook the ghost)
-Walter ?: 66
-Tom Adams: 66
-Raul Martinez: 66
-Lisa Madsen: 67
-Terry Teague: 68
-Paul Fikaris: 69
-Fred Orcutt: 69
-Graham Stewart: 69 (2)
-Adam Andersen: 72
-Alain Lachatre: 73
-Dan Gulino: 75
-Igor Todorovic: 76 & 81
-John Shelp: 77
-Mike Jones: 78
-Greg Beaulieu: 78
-David Brown: 79 (?)
-S.Dave Ward: 78 & 85
-Chris Sparks: 82
-Steve ?: 85
-Michael R. Hall: 91

I have also a question:
I read in my service manual that whenever you want to rebuild the rear
suspension, if you want to change the bushings on the control arms, you
have to replace the complete arms.
But people at P.S.T. tell me that I can replace only the bushings.
Who is right?

Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?
Well, if I could I would have, too...

Alain

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 97 11:03:41 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

     Well, since you asked...

     I've been running BFG T/As on my 442s since the mid-70s (no...not the
     same set :-) and I've been very happy with them.  These are obviously
     not the ultimate handling tires, but the price/performance trade is a
     good one.  The local Price Club is selling 245/60-14s for $65 each
     (plus $7 mounting and balancing - still a good deal).  I've tried
     Eagle STs once, on a prior 68 442, and was not happy with them.  Wet
     traction especially suffered compared to the T/As.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:47:57 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

I am here.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:59:27 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

>Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?

Nope. Here it's just me and Adam trying to figure out his
dashboard wiring problem. Everybody else seems to have left.

Hey, whaddaya say we go look upstairs and see what they keep
in their medicine cabinet?


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:10:18 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Where are you?

Hello to all not in or heading to Lansing,

A lot of times I see people on the list who do not put the general area
they are located on their e-mail.  I know a lot of people do, but a lot
don't.  It is really interesting to know where other people are from and
helps to understand some of the comments made.  If you're not hiding
from the mob, IRS (this one I could help you with-no I DON'T work for
IRS), or an ex-wife/husband, a general area (i.e., Lexington, Ky or
Central Ky.) would be appreciated by a lot of people.  It is really
interesting to learn about other areas and people.  I have to agree with
others that this group of people is quite diverse and interesting.  I
know a lot of people have been more than helpful to me.  If any of you
are in the central Kentucky are, let me know and we will meet, shake
hands and swap car lies.  Thank you for your time and attention.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:23:24 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> I am here.
>
> Chris Sparks
Hey Chris,

I didn't get to go either, so I'm stuck in central Ky.  Thanks for
forwarding the info on the 67 442 from Ken.  I haven't figured out why
he couldn't e-mail me direct.  Ah, the wonders of electronics and
cyberspace.  One of these days (soon I hope) I am going to start on one
of my projects.  I have two (and probably soon to be four newer
projects) to finish before really getting an opportunity to redo one of
my Olds's. I am thinking about replacing my 89 Town Car with a 90 TC
with about 50k less miles on it (car needs a right 3/4 front and
windshield) and buying my youngest daughter a 95 Camaro (also hit in the
front lightly, just pushed over and sheetmetal) as she doesn't have a
ride and is just now getting her license.  (My two daughters had the
bright idea a few years ago they would get one of dad's 'old' cars to
drive after licensing.  Two of them have ramair 455's, the other two
have high-po 350 4-bbl so the odds on them learning to drive in them
wasn't too high, would you think? Let them learn in something I can
replace easily.)  I know, guys, I can hear the booing and hissing now,
but let them tearup something else now and get the good stuff later.
And as for the TC, I drive too many miles a year to not have something
big and expendable.  A few years ago I drove one of the Olds, but wound
up putting too many miles on it.  Got to get back to work so I can buy
some parts, cars and other things worth messing with.

Don

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:27:41 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> >Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?
>
> Nope. Here it's just me and Adam trying to figure out his
> dashboard wiring problem. Everybody else seems to have left.
>
> Hey, whaddaya say we go look upstairs and see what they keep
> in their medicine cabinet?
>
> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
Andrew,

That makes at least four of still here, you, me, Chris Sparks, and
Adam.  I know Robert Barry, Mike Rothe, Lisa and a few others are still
among the unfortunate working class also.  Sure is quiet though.

Don

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:21:28 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Ok,
I will go get the color scheme from the car in the junkyard.  I will
write a detailed dicription of the wires because the junkyard is about
one hour away.  Is there anything else i should look at or take while
I'm there?


Thanks,
Adam Andersen

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:30:24 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass 2 1/2" Tailpipes

At 06:08 PM 8/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
> All,
>If anyone is interested,  a guy advertising a rear end to fit my car on The
>Swapmeet Website, also has "New, in the Box" 2.5' tailpipes for a Cutlass
>(68-72)?  that he wants to sell. They are from Torque Technologies but
>that's all I know about them. I can take a look at them tomorrow when I will
>be picking up the  rearend for my 69. If anyone would like to contact him
>directly, the e-mail address is:
> kcunnin@kih.net
>
Could you please post the URL for this swapmeet website.

TIA

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:54:08 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

At 12:27 PM 8/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Andrew C. Green wrote:
>>
>> >Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?
>>
>> Nope. Here it's just me and Adam trying to figure out his
>> dashboard wiring problem. Everybody else seems to have left.
>>
>> Hey, whaddaya say we go look upstairs and see what they keep
>> in their medicine cabinet?
>>
>> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>> Datalogics, Inc.
>> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>Andrew,
>
>That makes at least four of still here, you, me, Chris Sparks, and
>Adam.  I know Robert Barry, Mike Rothe, Lisa and a few others are still
>among the unfortunate working class also.  Sure is quiet though.
>
>Don
>
Hi All (all that are here that is):

I couldn't go to Lansing either :-(
I compensated for it by going to the historic races at Laguna Seca this
past weekend.  I had a great time, lots of really cool old cars racing
around the track.  They let you wander around in the paddock area as well,
so you can walk up to the drivers/owners and chat with them.  Notables on
hand were Stirling Moss, Phil Hill and Bob Lutz (u know, the guy who runs
that non-olds company).  For some reason there were no Olds race cars on
hand, I assume they were all in Lansing.

My two regrets this weekend was that I was not able to go to Lansing and
that I didn't have time to check out the Concours at Pebble Beach.  I
highly recomend the races and other events in and around Monterey, CA.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:10:21 -0500
From: NORM KARLSON <NKARLSON@WORDTECH.COM>
Subject: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Hello all,

I've been hangin out and thought I should introduce myself. I subscribed
to the list a few weeks ago right after I made a right turn onto a parkway,
hit the gas and was surprised to hear what sounded like a heavy chunk
of metal pounding around inside a garbage disposal. I pinged the net for
Oldsmobile/Cutlass , came to Bryce's 442 page, spare parts, found the
subscription to the list, and here I am. The harmonic balancer is already
installed.

I have a red convertible, 330 - 2 speed - says 56K but I think it has been
around. Found it in the back of a bowling alley, been setting there for 9+
years and came from the southwest before that. It has a newer paint
job, new white top, no rust or dents, good red interior & nice clean trunk.
When I drive it, it foamed the radiator so after the easy stuff I broke
down and pulled the heads...to find the gaskets had dried up with age.
Now it has good compression & runs good.  I did the brakes, shoes,
cylinders, rechromed the front bumper (someone pushed another car
back when and bent it) and have just tinkered here and there.

We now drive it to get ice cream on Sunday's. - me, the wife, the
daughter and our 2 Golden Retrievers.

In the few weeks I have been online I would like to note and appreciate
such a positive wealth of knowledge on this list!!  So, thanks in advance
- - being a mouse in the corner!

Anyone in the Greater Kansas City area that would like to ping me or get
together - let me know.

I also have a 53 International Pickup with 53K that I know for sure has
not spent one night in it's life outside a garage - from driving it off the
showroom floor to now, no nothin - just some stiff steering & some dust.
- - also red.

Thanks for the space.

Norm Karlson - nkarlson@wordtech.com
( In need of bigger garage!! - six or seven wide would work)

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:20:59 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

>In a message dated 97-08-17 09:26:26 EDT, you write:
>
><< Currently the car has Dunlop, P235/70 14"
> Getting the 14" is the hard part.
> After talking to a few tire places, it looks like i'll have to go with
> P225/70 14"
> A little narrower tread width, but I think it will be ok.  Will it?
> What opinion(s) do you guys have about the following brand names i'm
> considering:
> BF Goodrich Radial T/A
> Firestone
>
> Any other suggestions are welcomed.
> (I wish they would start making the Goodyear Eagle STs again)
> Thanks
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>  >>
>
>I just have to ask but isnt it easier for everybody that wants the
> bigger tires to just go to 15"? Either with the 15" ralleys or an
> aftermarket wheel?......just wondering...TIM

I've been through this and still haven't made up my mind. I am waiting for
the tread to get lower before making a decision...

I have always heard good things about the BF Goodrich Radial T/A. It also
has the advantage of coming in popular sizes for hot rodding. Of course I
have to qualify this by saying that "today", popular sizes does not
necessarily mean 14" wheels... (OK, I'll go so far as to say, today it DOES
NOT mean 14" wheels...)

The Eagle ST has been re-born under some other name (Maybe ST II ?? Can't
remember..). I think that the design of this tire was GREAT in the mid
'80s, but as Joe Padavano commented, 10 years later we have different
expectations...

The new tire has been redesigned and Goodyear wanted to let the consumer
know that this was a better tire. When talking to my local dealer, he
mentioned wet traction and sidewall stiffness as being the major
improvements (partially due to different compounds and a combination of new
tread design and sidewall design). I have no reports on how they perform...

I haven't done the math, but I expect (ASSuME) that the cost of changing to
15" wheels may be offset by the proliferation of good prices on these tire
sizes. Would someone like to shed some light on that statement???


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:16:05 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

>I will go get the color scheme from the car in the junkyard.  I will
>write a detailed dicription of the wires because the junkyard is about
>one hour away.

I would just take a big pair of cutters with you and snip the plugs
off the harness of the dead car, cutting the wires an inch or two
behind the plugs, and just shove the plugs in your pocket. It'll
make comparison later a _lot_ easier, plus if you somehow manage
to damage one of the connectors you're trying to relocate, you can
weasel out one of the junkyard connectors from its plug, snap it
into yours and solder the relocated wire onto it. (And study the
cut-off plugs to see how you release the wire connectors and slide
them out the back or front of the housing.)

> Is there anything else i should look at or take while I'm there?

Do you have a prindle quadrant in the gauge cluster? (The thing
labeled "P R N D L" with a pointer.) If so, be sure you've got
the string running from the needle out the bottom of the cluster
to the clip on the shift bowl; this pulls the prindle pointer
off "P" when you shift out of Park.

And while you're in there, grab courtesy lights, map lights,
glovebox lights, whatever. They're usually generic enough to
swap into any similar GM car that doesn't have them.

And finally, don't rush! If you strip or break a plastic mount
in the dash of your good car, fixing it will be a royal pain.
Those hex-head nuts that secure the big rectangular vinyl gauge
surround are especially easy to strip. Been there, done that;
when I sold my '82 I think I was down to about three screws.  ;-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:15:58 -0400
From: Lindsey <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: Last Chance

At 01:12 AM 8/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>to al, does this car have disc brakes? plz let me know
>RCKTPWR@AOL.COM......thanx
>
>Sorry, no disc brakes

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:42:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y

Hi Peter,

> The timing was not far from 20 degrees BTDC, maybe 1/2 notch to the
> right on the tab. I had to rotate the Dist. about 1/4 in or less

I think 1/2 a notch is about 2 degrees.

> Yes the pinging does go away when I press the pedal further. Why
> should I have to retard the timing. Does retard mean that the notch
> on the damper moves to the right if standing in front of the car.

Yup, if you retard the timing by 2 degrees, the mark will appear to move
to the right from that perspective.  Over the years and mileage, it is
possible that carbon buildup or restricted EGR passageways is responsible
for the pinging.  Remember that a very light ping at small throttle
openings can indicate a good state of tune.  Two degrees isn't very
much... using Diacom on my '88 307, I've observed a transient 11 degrees
of knock retard while accelerating in overdrive.  When using 87 octane
fuel, acceleration usually results in some knock counts, which isn't
always audible.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:35:28 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Part needed badly!

At 08:21 PM 8/14/97 -0700, you wrote:
>
>I just bought a '63 Buick LeSabre and immediately upon driving it home
>problems were beginning to show.  Anyway, I need a Center Support Bushing
>for the driveling.  I don't need the bearing, but the rubber bushing.  I'm
>not holding my breath though, as I work in an auto parts store and we could
>not come up on any leads.  Does anyone have this part or know where to get
>it reasonably priced???
>
>Thank you very much...
>
>Paul Rousseau
>*1967 442
>*1963 LeSabre 4dr/401
>
Paul,

Have you tried Kanters auto supply?  They have a website, search for Kanter.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:38:00 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Rallye packs and people gone.

Don Sowers wrote:
>
> That makes at least four of still here, you, me, Chris Sparks, and
> Adam.  I know Robert Barry, Mike Rothe, Lisa and a few others are still
> among the unfortunate working class also.  Sure is quiet though.
>
> Don

I'm still here too (grumble).  I just got done looking in the FAQ for
help on the G-body gauge wiring, and didn't find anything.  I found
instructions for the A-body though. . .

Tom Lentz
Spokane, WA
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:48:14 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Parts

Fellow Rocketeers,

I am liquidating my collection of 330 parts. Any one in the SE PA
region can get in touch. I would rather not ship but will ship if the right
offer
comes along.

The General
(mark guiles, Phila)

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:53:53 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

- ----------
> From: ISSVAL <issval@maracaibo.ipm.slb.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 10:37 AM
>
> Anybody out there?
>
> Here is my last update before going on holidays:
>
> -John Pajak: 65
> -Laura D. Steinke: 66 (Pook the ghost)
> -Walter ?: 66
> -Tom Adams: 66
> -Raul Martinez: 66
> -Lisa Madsen: 67
> -Terry Teague: 68
> -Paul Fikaris: 69
> -Fred Orcutt: 69
> -Graham Stewart: 69 (2)
> -Adam Andersen: 72
> -Alain Lachatre: 73
> -Dan Gulino: 75
> -Igor Todorovic: 76 & 81
> -John Shelp: 77
> -Mike Jones: 78
> -Greg Beaulieu: 78
> -David Brown: 79 (?)
> -S.Dave Ward: 78 & 85
> -Chris Sparks: 82
> -Steve ?: 85
> -Michael R. Hall: 91
>
> I have also a question:
> I read in my service manual that whenever you want to rebuild the rear
> suspension, if you want to change the bushings on the control arms, you
> have to replace the complete arms.
> But people at P.S.T. tell me that I can replace only the bushings.
> Who is right?
>
> Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?
> Well, if I could I would have, too...
>
> Alain
> I'm here at home in Texas it was just too far for us to make it.
Walter Jones

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:53:15 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Adam wrote:
>
> The guage pack does have idiot lights. In fact it has the same ones as
> my just plain idoit lights.  I am going to go to the parts store and ask
> for a oil pres sending unit and a temp sending unit.  I dont have a clue
> where they go and what the plug into.  Also, once again does anyone know
> what wires to switch on the harness? The is for a 85 Cutlass switching
> from plain idiot lights to the guage pack.
>
> Adam Andersen

You'll still need to change the wiring around on the back of the dash,
and I don't know the details, but I can help you with the sending
units.  The oil pressure sending unit is on the shelf right above the
water pump at the front of the engine, towards the driver's side (has
one wire going in the top).  There will be the idiot light sender in
there now, you will either want to get a small pipe "T" (don't have to
be 90degree T-shaped, use 45 degree Y or whatever fits) from the
hardware store so that you can put them both in, or just remove the
idiot light all together and replace with the new sending unit.  The
sensor for the coolant is on the front of the intake manifold beside the
water pump housing (follow the upper radiator hose to the engine).  Same
story here, but a "T" won't work since it's not a pressure sender, it
must be immersed down in the coolant flow.  So you'll have to lose the
temp idiot light unless there's a second hole on your manifold to put it
in.

The clip to select 6 or 8 cyl on the tach is on the side of the gauge
cluster with the tach on it, on the back.  Move the clip from 6 to 8 or
your tach will read 33% too high.  It's a bit tricky to get out, don't
force it.  I used a tiny flat bladed screwdriver slid in from the front
to release the tab holding it in.  Clean off the contacts under the clip
with a pencil eraser while you have it off, these tachs are notorious
for giving goofy readings as that clip tarnishes with age (I had to
clean mine, thanks for the tip Andy!).

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:04:39 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Hi Don,

> I didn't get to go either, so I'm stuck in central Ky.  Thanks for
> forwarding the info on the 67 442 from Ken.  I haven't figured out why
> he couldn't e-mail me direct.  Ah, the wonders of electronics and

No problem.  I have been chomping at the bit to get a convertible,
however,
Ohio is farrrrr away for me.

> cyberspace.  One of these days (soon I hope) I am going to start on one
> of my projects.  I have two (and probably soon to be four newer
> projects) to finish before really getting an opportunity to redo one of
> my Olds's. I am thinking about replacing my 89 Town Car with a 90 TC
> with about 50k less miles on it (car needs a right 3/4 front and
> windshield) and buying my youngest daughter a 95 Camaro (also hit in the
> front lightly, just pushed over and sheetmetal) as she doesn't have a
> ride and is just now getting her license.  (My two daughters had the
> bright idea a few years ago they would get one of dad's 'old' cars to

I'd say wait until the kids are older.  I think it is the curse of the
young to have accidents.

> drive after licensing.  Two of them have ramair 455's, the other two
> have high-po 350 4-bbl so the odds on them learning to drive in them
> wasn't too high, would you think? Let them learn in something I can
> replace easily.)  I know, guys, I can hear the booing and hissing now,
> but let them tearup something else now and get the good stuff later.

I agree that they should wrack (sp?) the hell out of something non-
descript.  Keep the goodies for when they are older and can appreciate
it.  When they are older and established, they would be better able
to repair these if one gets damaged.  I see a lot of kids throw things
away because they don't have the means to fix it.  Just a shame.

> And as for the TC, I drive too many miles a year to not have something
> big and expendable.  A few years ago I drove one of the Olds, but wound
> up putting too many miles on it.  Got to get back to work so I can buy
> some parts, cars and other things worth messing with.

I hear ya!

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:09:52 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

Dan Lacey wrote:
> >I just have to ask but isnt it easier for everybody that wants the
> > bigger tires to just go to 15"? Either with the 15" ralleys or an
> > aftermarket wheel?......just wondering...TIM
>
> I haven't done the math, but I expect (ASSuME) that the cost of changing to
> 15" wheels may be offset by the proliferation of good prices on these tire
> sizes. Would someone like to shed some light on that statement???

I was wondering the same thing.  If you're not a stickler for absolute
originality, 15" rallye wheels from later model Old's (like g-body
cutlass's) are easy to find in the junkyard.  I bought a set a few years
ago for  $120, including center caps, trim rings (not perfect), and the
5 inserts per wheel, and I probably paid a bit on the high side.  These
are all over the place at swap meets.

Buy a set, go down to the store and buy some spray on paint stripper, a
2" wire wheel for your drill, some spray primer and some paint to match
your car (they had touch-up paint my color in spray cans, worked
great!).  Spray on the stripper, go at it with the drill to remove it
all, sand with some wet-dry paper if you want it really smooth, prime
and paint.  Polish the chrome bits and reinstall and you have 15"
wheels.

Maybe cost me $150 for all four wheels after totalling everything up.
15" wheels look much better, handle better (less sidewall flex), and
hold fatter rubber (since they're usually 7" wide, and 14" wheels are
usually 6" wide).

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:11:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: People gone.

- ---Tom Lentz  wrote:
>
> Don Sowers wrote:
> >
> > That makes at least four of still here, you, me, Chris Sparks, and
> > Adam.  I know Robert Barry, Mike Rothe, Lisa and a few others are
still
> > among the unfortunate working class also.  Sure is quiet though.
> >
> > Don
>
> I'm still here too (grumble).  I just got done looking in the FAQ for
> help on the G-body gauge wiring, and didn't find anything.  I found
> instructions for the A-body though. . .
>
> Tom Lentz
> Spokane, WA
> tlentz@ior.com
>
**************************
       I'm here but have just caught up on all the messages. I have to
read them here at work as I have no home PC! I must be one of the few
Amercians with no PC. We do have TV and indoor plumbing though.
(ha-ha)
       We decided to build the garage (30'x40') instead of doing the
Lansing trip. Hard decision! I did send (2) one-use cameras with Doug
Kitchener- he'll get some pictures for us!
===

John Pajak
Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

65 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convertible
71 Cutlass Supreme
72 Cutlass Supreme convertible
72 Delta 88 Royale convertible
72 442 W30 convertible
86 Cutlass Supreme

68 Ford Fairlane 500 station wagon
75 Ford F100
82 Chevrolet Suburban

JSPajak@rocketmail.com







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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:14:32 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

Hi Norm,

> I've been hangin out and thought I should introduce myself. I subscribed

Sooo! That was you haning around.  Hmmmm!?!?!?! :-) Just kidding!

> We now drive it to get ice cream on Sunday's. - me, the wife, the
> daughter and our 2 Golden Retrievers.

A dog lover.  Great!  Me too.

> In the few weeks I have been online I would like to note and appreciate
> such a positive wealth of knowledge on this list!!  So, thanks in advance
> - being a mouse in the corner!

Quick.  Get the cat!!!! :-)  I am on a roll today! :-) (Either a Kaiser
or
French roll.  Ba-dum-ba)

> Thanks for the space.

Great to have you on board.


I am wondering does anyone know how many people are currently subscribed
to this
list?  Just curious.

> ( In need of bigger garage!! - six or seven wide would work)

I second that one.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:14:46 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage tip for HEI users

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
>
> > At 90MPH with the A/C on, my car
> > averaged about 12.3 MPG
> > After the advance kit, I jumped to 19.53 MPG at the same
> > speed with the A/C,
> > Stephen Hoover
> > Dallas, Texas
> > '70 Cutlass "S"
>
> Do you mean 60 mph? Do you know the specs on the advance you install? Base
> advance, start, how much, etc.Sound like you must have done something
> right.
>
> Daren


No I mean at 90 (I don't drive on the highway here, unless I am going
somewhere :) I installed the second set of springs, the blue one. The
red ones (lightest) weer to much to soon, motor was strong but pinged to
much. I can't tell you how much initial timing I am running, my balancer
is off.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:00:03 -0400
From: chrsi burge <cburge@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu>
Subject: parts wanted

Looking for a center console for a 1972 dual gate shifter
also still looking for a 1966 tri power manifold, with or without
carbs.

thanks for your help in advance

cburge

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:30:09 -0600
From: David Jenkins <David@vinca.com>
Subject: Convertible Top for '66 Cutlass

Help needed.  - - Color scheme for my Cutlass was midnight blue exterior, 
bright
blue interior and a light blue convertible top.  Does anyone know of any 
vendors
with a light blue top.  Year One has black, white and another color (not blue).
Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated.
DJ in Utah
'66 Cutlass Convert


------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:21:21 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
> Buy a set, go down to the store and buy some spray on paint stripper, a
> 2" wire wheel for your drill, some spray primer and some paint to match
> your car (they had touch-up paint my color in spray cans, worked
> great!).  Spray on the stripper, go at it with the drill to remove it
> all, sand with some wet-dry paper if you want it really smooth, prime
> and paint.  Polish the chrome bits and reinstall and you have 15"
> wheels.

I guess I took the easy way out when doing my rims.  I had them
sandblasted
clean.  A real snap to repaint.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:30:45 PDT
From: "My Self" <skychicken@hotmail.com>
Subject: 69 gauges

Hi, my name is Gib Loudon....I own a 1969 olds cutlass Holiday coupe.  I
really need a factory tach and or a rallye pack for that car.  If you
have one or are able to get ahold of one please email me personally at
cutlass@mill.tds.net.  Thanx alot!  See ya in Lansing.

                                                                   Gib
Loudon
                                                                   1969
Olds Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:30:57 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: GuageHelp

To Andy, Tom and the other invaluable olds owners,

Okay, I found the oil switch, on top of the shelf abouve the water pump
it has one red wire coming out of it.  On the intake manifold, on the
drivers side of the thermostat there are TWO thingys... they look alomst
the same, the one closest to the thermostat housing has green and black
wire and the one closest to the drivers side has a white and black wire
coming out of it.  Which is what?  I did find the clip on the side and
was able to remove it and insert it into the 8 side with the help of
pliers and a screw driver.

Here is the wiring scheme on my to harness clips..
They are turned 90 degreed clockwise... so that -->  way is up

Fisrst the clip closest to the drivers side
- ---------------------------------
LightBlue  1* || *14 Green
- ---------------------------------
Black      2* || *13 lightbrown
- ---------------------------------
Gray       3* || *12 Pink w/Blk stripe
- ---------------------------------
black      4* || *11 Teal Green
- ---------------------------------
gray       5* || *10 Biege w/white stripe
- ---------------------------------
Black      6* || *9 Yellow
- ---------------------------------
Pink       7* || *8 Royal Blue
- ---------------------------------

Now the other one
- -----------------------------------
2 YELLOW WIRS. 1* ||  14  empty
- -----------------------------------
empty          2  ||  13  empty
- -----------------------------------
empty          3  ||  12  empty
- -----------------------------------
empty          4  ||  11    empty
- -----------------------------------
empty          5  ||  10  empty
- -----------------------------------
empty          6  ||  9   empty
- -----------------------------------
empty          7  ||  8   empty
- -----------------------------------

Im leaving now to go to the junkyard... take care and thanks

Adam Andersen

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:55:50 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

>Okay, I found the oil switch, on top of the shelf abouve the water pump
>it has one red wire coming out of it.  On the intake manifold, on the
>drivers side of the thermostat there are TWO thingys... they look alomst
>the same, the one closest to the thermostat housing has green and black
>wire and the one closest to the drivers side has a white and black wire
>coming out of it.  Which is what?

Oh, heck. Hate having to do this without a manual... Um, they're
both single-wire leads? Assuming that's true, turn the ignition
on so the idiot lights are glowing, then ground each wire to the
engine block, one at a time, while an assistant watches the dash.
One of them will turn on the TEMP light; that's your idiot switch.
If the connectors to the mystery units are different shapes, look
for a simple push-on connector. The ECM signal leads tend to be a
little fancier, squeeze-ring-to-release design and you can leave
those alone.

As for the oil pressure sender, it's a good idea to get a T fitting
(or 45-degree or whatever) screwed in that will allow you to use
the warning light _and_ the gauge, since you can never get too much
warning about low oil pressure. You will have to run an extra wire
for the sending unit, in that case.

>Here is the wiring scheme on my to harness clips..
>They are turned 90 degreed clockwise... so that -->  way is up

Okay, compare with the plugs you're going to retrieve from the
junkyard, and report back...


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:36:31 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

At 11:21 AM 8/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Ok,
>I will go get the color scheme from the car in the junkyard.  I will
>write a detailed dicription of the wires because the junkyard is about
>one hour away.  Is there anything else i should look at or take while
>I'm there?
>
>
>Thanks,
>Adam Andersen

I would at least take a close look at the sending units in the engine
compartment. I'd be looking at the size, shape, location, electrical
connections and any adaptors that might be necessary. If they were easily
accessible, I would snag them to use as examples at the parts counter.

.02
Ray

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:02:43 -0800
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s IV/ rear suspension

>Anybody out there?
>

NO.

>
>I have also a question:
>I read in my service manual that whenever you want to rebuild the rear
>suspension, if you want to change the bushings on the control arms, you
>have to replace the complete arms.
>But people at P.S.T. tell me that I can replace only the bushings.
>Who is right?
>

I am right ;-)

What year is your 88?

I rebuilt the rear suspension on my '65 98 and used bushings from Energy
Suspensions. These are the SAME ones re-sold by P.S.T.

I used previously owned lower control arms that were "boxed" from a '64
M*libu (so I had less time with the vehicle on the jack stands waiting for
parts).

If you want details, I can send you my write-up that I posted to the list.

>Anybody home? Not all of you are gone to Lansing I hope?
>Well, if I could I would have, too...
>
>Alain

Not going to Lansing... Just trying to keep up with the list!!!


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:27:34 -0400
From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Subject: Re: Where are you?

So where are you ?

Don Sowers wrote:

> Hello to all not in or heading to Lansing,
>
> A lot of times I see people on the list who do not put the general
> area
> they are located on their e-mail.  I know a lot of people do, but a
> lot
> don't.  It is really interesting to know where other people are from
> and
> helps to understand some of the comments made.  If you're not hiding
> from the mob, IRS (this one I could help you with-no I DON'T work for
> IRS), or an ex-wife/husband, a general area (i.e., Lexington, Ky or
> Central Ky.) would be appreciated by a lot of people.  It is really
> interesting to learn about other areas and people.  I have to agree
> with
> others that this group of people is quite diverse and interesting.  I
> know a lot of people have been more than helpful to me.  If any of you
>
> are in the central Kentucky are, let me know and we will meet, shake
> hands and swap car lies.  Thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:50:02 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: opinions on tires?

> ----------
> From: Tom Lentz[SMTP:tlentz@ior.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 2:09 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: opinions on tires?
>
> Dan Lacey wrote:
>
>
> Maybe cost me $150 for all four wheels after totalling everything up.
> 15" wheels look much better, handle better (less sidewall flex), and
> hold fatter rubber (since they're usually 7" wide, and 14" wheels are
> usually 6" wide).
>
> Tom Lentz
> tlentz@ior.com
>
>
Hey Tom,
I'm not sure but I almost positive that my 14" SSII had a
stamped 14x7 on the inside of rim. Do the SSII come in that size?
> Fernando Proietto
> Systems Analyst - Informatics
>
> Environment Canada
> Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
> 4905 Dufferin St.
> Downsview, Ontario
> M3H 5T4

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:52:51 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: opinions on tires?

Me too. I think that yields the best results. And since I'm typing I'm
also using BFG/TA 235P60R14. I enjoy this tire a great deal. Price wise
and decent on traction. I heard somewhere, possibly a BFG commercial
that this tire is the official classic musclecar tire.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)[SMTP:sparks@nfs.aisf.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 2:21 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: opinions on tires?
>
> I guess I took the easy way out when doing my rims.  I had them
> sandblasted
> clean.  A real snap to repaint.
>
> Chris Sparks
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:54:17 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Parts

It would be a good idea if you could list all your parts so that we can
see what you have.What years do you have most of?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Patton[SMTP:patton@ComCAT.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 1:48 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Parts
>
> Fellow Rocketeers,
>
> I am liquidating my collection of 330 parts. Any one in the SE
> PA
> region can get in touch. I would rather not ship but will ship if the
> right
> offer
> comes along.
>
> The General
> (mark guiles, Phila)
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:55:31 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: People gone.

Good idea....

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: John Pajak[SMTP:jspajak@rocketmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 2:11 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: People gone.
>
>        We decided to build the garage (30'x40') instead of doing the
> Lansing trip. Hard decision! I did send (2) one-use cameras with Doug
> Kitchener- he'll get some pictures for us!
> ===
>
> John Pajak
> Information Spectrum Inc.
> Network Installation Team
> Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland
>
> 65 88
> 66 Toronado
> 69 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S W31
> 70 442 W30 convertible
> 71 Cutlass Supreme
> 72 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> 72 Delta 88 Royale convertible
> 72 442 W30 convertible
> 86 Cutlass Supreme
>
> 68 Ford Fairlane 500 station wagon
> 75 Ford F100
> 82 Chevrolet Suburban
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 15:28:09 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: RE: opinions on tires?

>And since I'm typing I'm
>also using BFG/TA 235P60R14. I enjoy this tire a great deal.

I had these tires, this size, on the old '72 LeMans. They were
fine for many years of low-mileage driving in all weather, but...
I used the same brand on the '82 Cutlass, a less-radical aspect
ratio and size like 205-70/R14 or similar, and had several problems
with 'em. In fact, three of the four ended up getting replaced under
either the local Montgomery Ward road hazard warranty or the BFG
factory warranty at different times due to shifted belts (twice)
and a deep tread cut.

I like the tires, but would recommend splurging the extra $5 or so
per tire for the road hazard warranty a lot of stores offer.

>Price wise and decent on traction. I heard somewhere, possibly
>a BFG commercial that this tire is the official classic musclecar
>tire.

Agreed. And I like that they've hardly changed the appearance of
the raised white letters over the years, so you can replace one
or two tires at a time without getting a mismatched look.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: RE: opinions on tires?

Maybe cost me $150 for all four wheels after totalling everything up.
15" wheels look much better, handle better (less sidewall flex), and
hold fatter rubber (since they're usually 7" wide, and 14" wheels are
usually 6" wide).

Tom Lentz
 Hey Tom,
 I'm not sure but I almost positive that my 14" SSII had a
 stamped 14x7 on the inside of rim. Do the SSII come in that size?
 Fernando Proietto

************
The 70-74 SSII and SSIII are 14 x 7 with a 4.5" backspacing. The later
80s SSIII are 14 x 6 with a 3.5" backspacing. They both take the same
trim ring. Don't confuse either of these wheels with the 68-69 SSII
wheel which is 14 x 6 with 4.5" backspacing and takes a narrow trim
ring. All the 15 x 7 SSIII have 4.5" backspacing. You can't run a 14 x
7 4.5" backspace wheel on the front of the 80's G body cars ---- the
inside edge of the rim hits the tie rod ends. You can run the 15 x 7s
though as the increased diameter puts the rim out of the tie rod's
way. To confuse matters even further, I've seen the 14 x 7 and the 15
x 7 wheels in both the bolt-on and the snap-on center cap
configurations. All the 80's 14 x 6 have snap on center caps. Hope
this helps!
===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 13:36:17 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Tom Lentz wrote:
> >
> > Buy a set, go down to the store and buy some spray on paint stripper, a
> > 2" wire wheel for your drill, some spray primer and some paint to match
> > your car (they had touch-up paint my color in spray cans, worked
> > great!).  Spray on the stripper, go at it with the drill to remove it
> > all, sand with some wet-dry paper if you want it really smooth, prime
> > and paint.  Polish the chrome bits and reinstall and you have 15"
> > wheels.
>
> I guess I took the easy way out when doing my rims.  I had them
> sandblasted
> clean.  A real snap to repaint.
>
> Chris Sparks

Oh, sure.  Go ahead and take the easy way out why don't ya!  Leave it to
Chris to do things the *right* way. :-)

My major emphasis was *cheap*.  I haven't priced sandblasting around
here, but I'd bet it ran at least $50 for the four wheels, maybe $100??
Yes, that would be much simpler and quicker too.  It took a few hours
and a lot of elbow grease to do all four wheels with the paint stripper
and wire wheel, but it cost me about $4 for the wheel and $3 for the
stripper.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 10 Aug 1997 15:56:49 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mileage tip for HEI users

> No I mean at 90 (I don't drive on the highway here, unless I am going
> somewhere :) I installed the second set of springs, the blue one. The
> red ones (lightest) weer to much to soon, motor was strong but pinged to
> much. I can't tell you how much initial timing I am running, my balancer
> is off.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

...Now I'm a little curious.  Those blue springs start advancing at 400
RPM instead of the stock 600, which means you probably "advanced" the
initial timing as well when you replaced he springs.  They also advance
quicker and farther than stock, (in the absence of stop bushings).  Did
you replace the weights and weight bushings, (if applicable), as well?
If you were pinging with the old stock setup, it's probably because the
old weights' pivot holes had gotten oblong on you and/or the bushings
were completely gone, (thus adding centrifugal force by moving the mass
further from the center).  In addition to this, your old springs were
probably worn or maybe even cracked...... Or I don't know anything at
all and it just worked better with the unknown initial advance...  :-)
and then there's the whole issue of the vaccum canister.  Does it work?
Does it advance early due to age?  Is it a new adjustable or stock?  On
the initial advance, assuming you still have decent compression, if the
motor turns over after slight hesitation, (starter load), you're
probably running at least 12 degrees of initial advance.  If not, it's
probably something less.

Dave

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:05:30 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

John Pajak wrote:
>
> trim ring. Don't confuse either of these wheels with the 68-69 SSII
> wheel which is 14 x 6 with 4.5" backspacing and takes a narrow trim
> ring. All the 15 x 7 SSIII have 4.5" backspacing. You can't run a 14 x

About these trim rings, I don't know what an original is supposed to
look
like (68-69 SSII)?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 14:09:31 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

Tom Lentz wrote:

> Oh, sure.  Go ahead and take the easy way out why don't ya!  Leave it to
> Chris to do things the *right* way. :-)

Hey thats a first for me! :-)

> My major emphasis was *cheap*.  I haven't priced sandblasting around
> here, but I'd bet it ran at least $50 for the four wheels, maybe $100??
> Yes, that would be much simpler and quicker too.  It took a few hours
> and a lot of elbow grease to do all four wheels with the paint stripper
> and wire wheel, but it cost me about $4 for the wheel and $3 for the
> stripper.

I have a sand blaster close by where I live.  He works better with
volume
and cash in hand.  I sent my 4 rims, some lawn furniture and some other
stuff to him to blast the first time.  I think the four rims cost me
about
$5/rim to sand blast.  The most expensive part was the paint I used on
them.
BTW I used engine paint (black and gray).  Black on the back side and
inner
portion.  Gray on the outside.  This stuff works pretty good.  I was
given
advice that since the rims can get pretty hot from braking, that this
kind
of paint would wear better.  It does.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:14:19 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: GuageHelp

Bad news,
The car i took the guage pack off is not an 85.  I think its a 86 or 87
because it has the third brake light in the rear window.  And the wiring
scheme for these harness clips are VERY different...

Heres the new ones compare them to my previous msg...

- ---------------------------------
Gray       1 || 14  White
- ---------------------------------
Black      2 || 13 Blue
- ---------------------------------
Pink       3 || 12 light blue
- ---------------------------------
lightpurple4 || 11 green
- ---------------------------------
Yello      5 || 10 Pink w/blk stripe
- ---------------------------------
beige w/whitstripe 6 || 9 dark purple
- ---------------------------------
green w/whitstripe 7 || light blue but not as light as ª12
- ---------------------------------

Conector 2.... See heres what i dont understand, the two harness from
the donor car has a total of 17 connections, i only have 15... how is
this going to work? are we using previous idiot light wiring as sender
wires?

           ----------------------------------
            2 YELLOW  1 || 2  empty
           ---------------------------------
            empty       ||     empty
           ---------------------------------
            empty       ||     empty
           ---------------------------------
teal green w/lght green stripe|| empty
           ---------------------------------
        pink w/blk stripe ||   empty
          ----------------------------------
             empty       ||   empty
          ----------------------------------
             empty       ||  empty
           --------------------------------

The FAQ doenst help much with this and the TWO chiltion's manuals I have
dont say jack about this either... I think I need to move to wires over
from the first plug, which two? i dont know...

Thanks
Adam Andersen

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:36:57 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: VIN Info

And you thought only Greg wouldn't let you use the H*LP word :)  -- Mike


> Date:   Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
> From:   MARKSJ@aol.com
> Message-ID: <970818215241_752077637@emout14.mail.aol.com>
> To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: H*lp on VIN detail
> Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
>
> Just new to the classic car arena.  Purchased a 1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme
> convertible for $2000 Cdn.  Feel I got a heck of a deal.  Can someone out
> there please share with me any details from the VIN.  The number is
> 342671M184186.  Searching for info like original engine size, where it was
> built, colour etc...
> Appreciate any info.
> Thanks in advance...
> Joel Marks
> 1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible
> 1981 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham
- --
    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

- --
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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 17:42:25 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 67 Cutlass

I'm sure you meant "not on the list", Lisa. -- Mike

> Date:   Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:40:51 -0700
> To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> From:   James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
> Subject: Re: 67 cutlass supreme
> In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.16.19970713194251.1b0725ae@mail.elknet.net>
>
> Tim Churchill - uns*bscr*bed at the moment - mentioned he had a 330 (extra)
> from his '67 C/S convert.  Not sure the HP rating but they're great motors
> REGARDLESS of the orignal HP rating.
>
> A former '67 C/S convertible owner (the one I shouldn't have let get away) -
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
> '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
> Metal Forever
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
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    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

- --
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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:41:28 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

 A disagreement is unfortunate, but do we want a bunch of milk toasts who
are afraid to speak up?  We not only have some outspoken people here, but
these are also gentlemen who know when to apologize & how to grciously
accept an apology.

Like any family, we stick our feelings out & sometimes get them stepped
upon.  Just as quickly, the mistake is recognized & repaired.  Families
become stronger in these circumstances.  This is a strong family.



- -----Original Message-----
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com <Cnvrtbl442@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, August 19, 1997 4:01 AM
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members



>In a message dated 97-08-16 23:41:27 EDT, you write:
>
><< > I agree with you. If I have nothinf to contribute I don't say
anything.
>I do
> > not understand why some have to act in such a way. I bet  they are the
>first
> > ones to get angry if they are spoken too that way. Just shows how
childish
> > they really are. I bet they drive Fords.
> > Jim Moore
>
> Hey I agree with Jim.  Some of us may not be as knowledgable and perfect
> as the rest and we make typing errors.  Some of you guys can be real
> critical.  I've gotten the odd unwarranted response.  WHO NEEDS IT.
> Maybe we just need to stop posting unless absolutely necessary.  Wayne
>  >>
>HEY WAYNE DITTO...As the member of three other lists I have
> not heard this much crap and criticism in total from the other three.
>Its a shame that everyone has to have someone elses opinion
>in order to be right, or that the least little thing has the tendency
>to be criticized unless the person saying it is an old timer of the
>list.  Way too much non Olds oriented feedback here.....TIM
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:52:35 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

(Note: I'm not taking this to email mainly because this subject seems
to come up fairly often, plus we could use some more input for the
stuff below that I can't help Adam on. Apologies to those of you who
are getting sick to death of this thread.)

>The car i took the guage pack off is not an 85.  I think its a 86 or 87
>because it has the third brake light in the rear window.

In a previous post you said:

> Junk car's VINª 1G3AR47A9EM400039  <-  thats a V6!

The answer's embedded in the VIN. Don't recall which character, though.
But I don't think this is too critical either.

>And the wiring
>scheme for these harness clips are VERY different...

Okay. But I think you can identify the function of each wire yourself
by tracing where it leads on the circuit board. There isn't an awful
lot that doesn't go straight to a light bulb or one side of a gauge
field winding or whatever. IOW, despite the different wire positions
(and possibly color coding), the two clusters will have a fair amount
in common. Once you've figured out that part, the leftover wires will
be a little easier to figure out.

I'll take a quick stab at the common colors, then you look at the
circuit board and check my guesswork:

>Heres the new ones compare them to my previous msg...
>
>---------------------------------
>Gray       1 || 14  White

Gray is dash backlighting. Don't remember what white is.

>---------------------------------
>Black      2 || 13 Blue

Black is probably a ground. Blue unknown.

>---------------------------------
>Pink       3 || 12 light blue
>---------------------------------

Pink is usually Ignition Hot, such as a power lead to field windings
for the gauges, which only activate with the ignition on. Light blue
I don't know.

>lightpurple4 || 11 green
>---------------------------------

Light purple I don't know. Green may be Left Turn Signal (or Right).

>Yello      5 || 10 Pink w/blk stripe

Yellow I'll guess is Right Turn Signal (or Left). Pink/Black unknown.

>---------------------------------
>beige w/whitstripe 6 || 9 dark purple

Beige w/white stripe I'll guess to be Fuel Level signal. Dark
Purple unknown.

>---------------------------------
>green w/whitstripe 7 || light blue but not as light as ª12

I'm drawing a blank on both.

Check the wire color leading to your two idiot light switches for
oil and temp. You may be able to match them to two of the unknown
colors above. Also check the parking brake release mechanism; there
you will find the little plunger switch for the BRAKE warning light
for which you can identify the color coding on that wire.

Finally, look at the idiot light lens with all the legends on it
(SEAT BELT/LOW FUEL/TEMP etc.); you can trace from each bulb back
to its connection with the harness and identify circuits that way
as well. Yes, there are multiple legends for a couple of warnings
(I think TEMP pops up in two different places, as does SEAT BELT),
but only one will have a bulb for it.

>---------------------------------
>
>Conector 2.... See heres what i dont understand, the two harness from
>the donor car has a total of 17 connections, i only have 15... how is
>this going to work? are we using previous idiot light wiring as sender
>wires?

Yes, we are. I _think_ the factory does too.

>The FAQ doenst help much with this and the TWO chiltion's manuals I have
>dont say jack about this either... I think I need to move to wires over
>from the first plug, which two? i dont know...

Check out and eliminate what you can. I'm getting kind of maxed out
here and I'm hoping someone else will see this in the Digest copy
tonight and jump in with some more information. Good luck.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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