
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 3 1997       Volume 01 : Number 882



Re: 425 distributor
Wheels
RE: W Machines
Re: 425 distributor
Re: convertible top
Frame off Re: Slow night?
Re: IDEA: Place to talk real time
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
Re: W-machines
Re: Muscle Car Review
Re: Wheels
Re: Ford tools?
Re: '78 Delta Heater Core
Re: Wheels
Re: Wheels
Re: W Machines
RE: Frame off Re: Slow night?
Re: Re: rear defroster swap
Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!
RE:: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?
Rocket@ symbol
Re: Frame off Re: Slow night?
Re: IDEA: Place to talk real time
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?
Re: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?
Re: Slow night?
Re: Frame off
Re: 425 distributor
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Carb and distributer Numbers
MCC Autofest 10/4
Re: Muscle Car Review
Yorba Linda Meet
Need help
Re: Plastic Dash Chrome
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Need help
Re: '78 Delta Heater Core
Web of Wheels
Re: Parts
Re: 425 distributor
Re: Web of Wheels
Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question
Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Re: Olds factory TPI
(no subject)
Re: 425 distributor
RE: Web of Wheels
Re: W Machines
Re: Muscle Car Review
Re: W Machines
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Web of Wheels
Re: Yorba Linda Meet
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
Slow things
Re: W Machines
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Slow night?
Re:  MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Slow night?
330 intake

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:23:14 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

>>the timing bolt should be just right of the distributer on the block. 
>>you may need a special wrentch to loosten it.

to which David "wise-*ss" Brown replied:

>You mean that elusive 9/16" wrench?

Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench at
the end of a long bent handle, which snakes under the distributor and
reaches that bolt head (which is just to the driver's side of the
distributor shaft). On my Toro, I can use a regular 9/16" wrench, because
the firewall is about a foot behind the engine, but on the Cutlass, I'd be
doing a contortionist's torture test to get at that bolt with a regular
9/16" wrench.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 15:47:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: BHMathias@aol.com
Subject: Wheels

I was wondering if the SS3 wheels off of a 74 cutlass 15x7 will fit on a 72
cutlass?
Also does anybody know where I could get a steering wheel.  When I bought it
all it had was some cheap grant replacemen?

I would really appreciate some help.

Matt
P.S. 
I live by St. louis
72 F-85
73 98

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:49:15 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: W Machines

On Thursday, October 02, 1997 2:43 PM, Mike Rothe
[SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net] wrote:
> > While many members don't consider it a true W Machine.  I do own a
1991 W41
> > Calais.
> 
> Every performance option in Oldsmobiles stable is a W code.
Therefore,
> it is an unwritten rule, that if your option code for your car package
> starts with a W, then it is a performance machine.  My opinion of
> course.  The W-30 and W-31 of old were the only ones to put that on a
> die-cast badge and proudly wear it on the fenders.  The H/O, 442s of
the
> late 70's used decals to note their W origin, and didn't the W-41's
come
> with a decal?
> 
> My 69 H/O is under option code W-46 (was it not a bruiser?), and the
85
> 442 is W-42, and the 71 442 was actually a Cutlass with the "standard"
> option W-29 and all its ameneties.
> 
> Yes, Cecil, it IMO is a W-machine.
> 
> 
> Mike Rothe

OK, would my 70 442 non-W-30, but with a W-26 Sports Console, be
included?

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:58:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
> easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench at
> the end of a long bent handle, which snakes under the distributor and
> reaches that bolt head (which is just to the driver's side of the
> distributor shaft). On my Toro, I can use a regular 9/16" wrench, because
> the firewall is about a foot behind the engine, but on the Cutlass, I'd be
> doing a contortionist's torture test to get at that bolt with a regular
> 9/16" wrench.

Right, so what you do is you take that Taiwan-made el-cheapo 9/16 (come on
now, everybody's got one of them).  Put it in a vise and tighten it
WAAAAAAAAY up and then take a torch and heat the wrench until you can bend
it with a pair of pliers or vice-grips (this is not really that hard with
that oriental metal). Bend it to a slight bit of an "s" shape (from the
side view, not from the top)...

Sorry no cheap ascii art ;-).
See it if it fits, if it does not, bend it more (or bend it back some if
you have bent it to much).

Problem solved... cheaply ;-)

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:03:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: convertible top

> >
>
> Hey Doug,  when you tried to put the top up, did it stop as if you blew a
> fuse? (but it doesn't actually)  Mine does this.  I have to wait about 20
> seconds each time it stops before the motor will work again.  Each time I try

RC My top does stop like it blew a fuse every now and then.  but not on the way
up or down.  I think that I have a problem with the switch, Because it happens
when I stop pushing the button and then try again.  Some of these companies
rebuild switches .  I think BROTHERS does this.

Hope this helps
Doug

> to put the top up, this "pause" happens about three times before the top makes

> it all the way up.
>
> I already checked the fluid level, it's ok
>
> Any thoughts appreciated...
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 14:22:15 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Frame off Re: Slow night?

Since Mike Rothe talked about pulling the body off the frame and I currently have the body off the frame of my 66 GTO, I was wondering what some suggestions to getting a body off of the frame are?
I used a method I read in the book 'How to restore your musclecar', actually a variation of the method.  It called for a floor jack or engine hoist, four 6 ton jackstands or 55 gallon drums and a couple 2x10 boards.  What I did was place some lumber on the saddle of my floor jack to distribute the load and SLOWLY raise the front and back of the body shell off the frame.  Then when the body is high enough I slid the 2x10's between the body and frame and rested the body on them.  Then roll the frame out.  This is the readers digest explanation of what I did but if anyone wants more specific details I would be happy to give them.  The next thing I plan on doing is buying some dollys from Kingsbury Dolly company (anybody heard of them) and placing the jackstands in them so I can move the body shell around.  Anybody have any other ways to remove the body or any advise about doing this involved process as this is my first body off the frame resto and first resto for that matter and I'm just wondering what some pitfalls are that others have run into.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31- next in line for the body off the frame treatment
1966 GTO - currently in MANY pieces
plus others

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:24:54 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: IDEA: Place to talk real time

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> <IRC server (Internet Relay Chat, just a thing to chat on) and he'd be happy
> to host an Oldsmobile channel>
> 
> I welcome this idea!  It would take away that "e-mail delay" and speed up
> the Ques. & Ans. for sure!
> 
I've got the Rocket Talk for that, seems to be fairly decent, but
getting everyone together at any given time has been tricky at best. 
I'm ~never~ there, since I'm always at work, but the forum is readily
available.  Others can host the same web page with the same channel and
be connected, as well.  For times when certain servers get moody, etc...

The place is at:
http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm
It's linked off of my homepage.  Enjoy...

- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 14:29:19 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

> Oh no, not THAT again.....
> and while your at it lets go through what 442 stands for just for good
> measure:-)

Or how about whether it's pronounced four-four-two or four-....well, let's not start THAT again.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 14:40:06 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: W-machines

> Oops!  Forgot to mention the other 69's that showed on the fender, the
> W-30/31/32.  Yikes!  How could I forget those?  And if you want to count
> the V-piston Ram Rod 350 and 400 decals for 68.........

Oh, your lucky :)  I was gonna bring to your attention the decals on front of the late 60's cars. (Badges!!....We don't need no stinking badges!!! :-)  )  And I would say the 68 Ram Rod is a W-31, so I would count it.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31 - with decals on the front fenders
plus others

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 14:43:05 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

> Hey Jeff, check prices carefully.  Year One sells the ACC carpet under their
> own name, 90$ if I remember right.  Its the exact same carpet, the ACC rep

Yes, Year One sells ACC carpet.  I took a tour of Year One in July and saw the boxes upon boxes from ACC in their warehouse.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:55:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wheels

In a message dated 97-10-02 15:54:52 EDT, you write:

<< I was wondering if the SS3 wheels off of a 74 cutlass 15x7 will fit on a
72
 cutlass? >>

Absolutely.  I run a set on my 71 SX.  They are great for big tires.  I have
P255 60R15s on mine and they handle extremely well and look great.  They
really fill up the wheel wells, giving the car a subtle agressive look.  Very
nice.  

Tom

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:53:30 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Ford tools?

>>[[but, of COURSE!. The most fun was opening the oil pan... with an ax. In
fact 
>I disposed of an entire Fiat 128 using only an ax. Cut right thru that
cheesy 
>metal...>

Speaking of cheesy metal vs. Olds metal...

Back in college, one homecoming celebration involved a "Car Crushing"
activity, where you get something like a minute with a sledgehammer on a
couple of beat-up, stripped-out old cars. Well, the two cars they chose for
this particular year were a VW Bug and a '68 Olds Cutlass wagon (non-VC).
The first thing I went for was the middle of the winshield header: on the
Bug, one whack and the top of the windshield frame bent into a complete
"V"! When I tried the same thing on the Olds wagon, not only did the
windshield frame not collapse, but I don't even think the sledgehammer made
a discernable dent! In fact, while the Bug looked like a crushed beer can,
the Olds wagon remained remarkably intact, no matter what the football
players tried to do to it. At the end of it all, a bunch of us got on one
side of the wagon, and flipped it on its roof, then flipped it back
upright. Aside from some dents and scrapes, the passenger compartment
remained completely intact. In fact, the doors with the frames still opened
and shut. I think somebody knocked the doors off the VW completely.

Needless to say, you can guess which car I'd rather be driving, or see my
loved-ones driving...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:46:19 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Heater Core

>Well, my perfect record remains intact... I have yet to purchase an old 
>car that didn't require me to replace the heater core within a very short 
>time, and it looks like the Delta's core let go yesterday. That lovely 
>damp-sweet odor when I turned on the defroster, and some persistent 
>fogging. Shoot! :(
>
>I looked in the service manual, and the process looks easier than on the 
>Cutlass, since it appears you don't need to remove the inner fender. 
>Anyone who's done this have any tips for me? The car is non-A/C, which 
>should make it easier I hope... having done it on the A-bodies, I figure 
>this one should be a snap by comparison!

It is indeed all done through the engine compartment, and is relatively
easy. I'd recommend some 3M strip caulk (thin black rope-like stuff),
rather than silicone, for sealing the case back up. Oh, one more trick that
you might find helpful; if you loosen all the bolts, and it *still* doesn't
want to budge, look and see if there are any bolts on the inside that might
be grabbing the fiberglass housing, which the manual may have neglected.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 16:56:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wheels

In a message dated 97-10-02 15:54:52 EDT, you write:

<< I was wondering if the SS3 wheels off of a 74 cutlass 15x7 will fit on a
72
 cutlass? >>

Absolutely.  I run a set on my 71 SX.  They are great for big tires.  I have
P255 60R15s on mine and they handle extremely well and look great.  They
really fill up the wheel wells, giving the car a subtle agressive look.  Very
nice.  

Tom

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:05:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Wheels

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997 BHMathias@aol.com wrote:
> I was wondering if the SS3 wheels off of a 74 cutlass 15x7 will fit on a 72
> cutlass?

Yep! Just don't try and use the 14" tires... ;-)

> Also does anybody know where I could get a steering wheel.  When I bought it
> all it had was some cheap grant replacemen?

I just *know* some folks here have some they'd love to sell you... by 
private email, of course! :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:29:26 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

At 07:08 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's here
>details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many people on the
>list have these rare and powerful machines.

I have a 1970 W-30 Convertible with a 4-Speed. It is a rough project car
headed for a frame off restoration. The car is currently Sebring Yellow
with black stripes, black top and a black interior. When I'm done, it will
be Agean Aqua with white stripes, white top and a white (pearl) interior. I
have looked inside the back of the bucket seats and under the back seat,
but I have not found a build sheet. Maybe it will turn up during the
restoration. The rest of the details will have to wait until a couple of
issues about the car have been resolved.

Does an official W-Machine registry exist?

Ray
70 Cutlass Conv.
70 442 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:44:16 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Frame off Re: Slow night?

Since Mike Rothe talked about pulling the body off the frame and I
currently
have the body off the frame of my 66 GTO, I was wondering what some
suggestions
to getting a body off of the frame are?

Chris Smetana
- ----------
Please pass them along as there is a, you guessed it, frame off section
in the FAQ.

Since I'm up on the box, I'll take a few more moments here to talk about
the
next FAQ. Lots more HEI conversion, differential, transmission,
rebuilding,
performance buildup, swapping, restoration, and super stock wheels. More
bits
and pieces on engine components, and car model details. The format has
been
worked a bit, I think you'll like it better. I'm working on verifying
links
and adding more. If anyone has a typo or correction, send it to me now.
Anything of length, other than frame off, will have to wait, but it is
gladly
accepted!
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mancinj@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: rear defroster swap

ERIF4:

What condition are your bumperettes in?

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:03:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!

In a message dated 97-10-02 12:54:05 EDT, you write:

<< I hope that means that it will posted for this weeks contest.  If so,
please
 vote for the '67!
  >>
I will Bob, I will vote for your car, count on me

W MACHINES

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:03:29 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE:: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?

Mike wrote,

Out wandering the pick-your-part today with a friend, I came up to a
80's Cutlass that had the full rallye gauge cluster.  I was wondering
how much this was worth, and if it was worth it to pull it out of the
vehicle. 

Hey Mike,

These are definately worth pulling, as they make an easy upgrade for any 
'78-'88 RWD Cutlass.  I've paid anywhere from $25-50  for a set of these. 
Just make sure you cut the left wiring harness connector and bring that
back with you.  It helps to identify what wires need to be moved around
when you change guage packages.

Hope this helps some,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:12:13 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Rocket@ symbol

I was trying to find the Rocket@ symbol at 442.com the other day but could
not seem to locate it.  Could someone please forward the URL, of where this
is located, to me please. I appreciate it.

Thanks,

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:30:28 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Frame off Re: Slow night?

At 02:22 PM 10/2/97 PDT, you wrote:
>Since Mike Rothe talked about pulling the body off the frame and I
currently have the body off the frame of my 66 GTO, I was wondering what
some suggestions to getting a body off of the frame are?

A local chapter member suggested the engine hoist method to me. He said he
used it when he pulled the body on his '70 442 convertible. Apparently he
used the outboard seat belt mounting points to attach a chain for the
hoist. Then all that was needed was a two people to steady the body while
he lifted it. He made it sound very easy, however I can see a hardtop being
a bit more complicated.

someone else's .02

Ray

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:37:25 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: IDEA: Place to talk real time

Charley Buehner wrote:
> 
> mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> >
> > <IRC server (Internet Relay Chat, just a thing to chat on) and he'd be happy
> > to host an Oldsmobile channel>
> >
> > I welcome this idea!  It would take away that "e-mail delay" and speed up
> > the Ques. & Ans. for sure!
> >
> I've got the Rocket Talk for that, seems to be fairly decent, but
> getting everyone together at any given time has been tricky at best.
> I'm ~never~ there, since I'm always at work, but the forum is readily
> available.  Others can host the same web page with the same channel and
> be connected, as well.  For times when certain servers get moody, etc...
> 
> The place is at:
> http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm
> It's linked off of my homepage.  Enjoy...

Actually, I think there is already a place to talk about Oldsmobiles.
I'll check maybe.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 18:55:20 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
> 
> I would like to upgrade my 67' 442 to a posi rear end. The rear end in
> my car
> has a twelve bolt cover, but I'm told that the ring gear is in fact a
> 8.5"
> ten bolt.
> 
> Randy at Ring & Pinion tells me the posi units are no longer available
> for
> this rear end.  Is this true? If so does anyone have a posi with a set
> of 3:43 gears they'd like to part with?

Bah! Just get a Powertrax Locker. It replaces some of the innards of
your differential and makes is posi. Works like open diff around corners
too (so they say). Only about $300.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 18:56:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

Mine is a 71 442 W-30 Conv.,   sienna with white top and stripes, pearl
interior.
                                              #'s matching engine, trans and
rear, dual gate shift,
                                              3.73 rear, tinted windows and a
rear speaker.
                                              no other options.

                                              One of 110 made in 71.

I purchased this car in Sept. 96 from a guy close to lansing MI. for 4k.  It
was disassembled and completely rusted, totally rusted.  I purchased a new
body and am completing a complete body off restoration.  hope to have it
completed by spring and plan to take it to Springfield.

So far I have talked with three other 71 W30 Conv. owners.  One in Cal.
4spd., one in N/E auto and one other I forget where he was from.

I would like to here from any other 71 W-30 Conv. Owners.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W-30 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 17:29:06 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!

The problem is, they draw the weekly entries randomly. I sent mine in a
couple of months ago and it hasn't showed up yet. If we all send in entries,
the chances of more Olds' being represented goes way up and we may be lucky
and not have to compete against each other, but either way this list has
demonstrated the voting power to outdo the C*hies and F*rds.
Good work people, and congratulations Mark.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: WMACHINES@aol.com <WMACHINES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!


>In a message dated 97-10-02 12:54:05 EDT, you write:
>
><< I hope that means that it will posted for this weeks contest.  If so,
>please
> vote for the '67!
>  >>
>I will Bob, I will vote for your car, count on me
>
>W MACHINES

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:08:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Seano42369@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?

May be interested in the instrument cluster , let me know your price.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:08:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Seano42369@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?

what is your price? e-mail me.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:05:12 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: Re: Slow night?

An outboard car hoist works great. Just put the lifting arms under the
rocker panels (a little padding helps) then up and down is a breeze. I
used this method on my 65 442 and it gives you complete control to move
the rolling chassis around to center the mounts.

BRO

65 442

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:17:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Frame off

In a message dated 97-10-02 18:40:45 EDT, you write:


 From:	rmoriarty@blairinc.com (Ray Moriarty)
 I was wondering what some suggestions to getting a body off of the frame
are? >>

 Ray,

    I have taken several bodies off using my floor jack, jack stands and a
couple of 4x4's.  Its not terrible difficult and can be done by one person.
 I'll E-mail you directly because the instructions will be long.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 16:11:56 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

Even easier, don't use a wrench.  I have a set of u-jointed 3/8" drive sockets
that I found for a couple bucks at a pawn shop.  One of those on the end of a
foot or so extention, pops right on that bolt every time.  About the only way to
do it on my 307, really.  Since there's all that emissions stuff in the way on
the back of the driver's side rocker cover (EGR solenoid I think).  BTW, those
u-jointed sockets have been worth their weight in gold on many occasions.  There
are lots of times where there just isn't room to put that u-joint between the
socket and the extention, like under the distributor.

On the '78 truck, I can use anything I want to loosen the distributor provided
I'm willing to climb into the engine compartment with it.  Heck, there's
probably room for at least one more olds 350 under that hood :-)

Clayton Pierce wrote:

> On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
>
> > Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
> > easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench at
>
> Right, so what you do is you take that Taiwan-made el-cheapo 9/16 (come on
> now, everybody's got one of them).  Put it in a vise and tighten it
> WAAAAAAAAY up and then take a torch and heat the wrench until you can bend
> it with a pair of pliers or vice-grips (this is not really that hard with

Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 19:29:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

do you mean there were only 110 w-30 convertivles made in 71???????
thanks

brent 1967 cutlass convertible(1 of 3777 cutlass convertibles)

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:48:34 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question

Just a thought, Did you have the meter set on the lowest scale reading.
The change in resistance might be so slight that the scale you were on
might have been too high. 
                          Joe
 
> In a related note, how would you test a fuel-tank sending unit? I tried to
> measure the resistance of the two senders I was working with when switching
> tanks, but I couldn't determine whether the readings I was getting with the
> multimeter were good or not. Once showed constant resistance, with a sudden
> jump when the float was at full empty, while the other restistered a
> constant resistance, but with very little variation, which did not seem
> related to the float level. I put the second one in the tank (it was the one
> from the original tank), and it's working fine, but I'd like to be able to
> test for a good one out of the car. Any advice?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 19:40:15 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

BMAN6771@aol.com wrote:
> 
> do you mean there were only 110 w-30 convertivles made in 71???????
> thanks
> 
> brent 1967 cutlass convertible(1 of 3777 cutlass convertibles)yup...thats right....110....and I'm the proud owner of a viking blue 
with white interior....and tilt column..power drivers bucket 
seat...and of course all the usual oldsmobile 
performance goodies...W-25...W-35...and of 
course...lest we forget...W-30..."It's all GOOD"...hoagie

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 17:39:39 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: Carb and distributer Numbers

> > Carb Number                   7040255
> Distributor- 1111975.

These are the numbers I come up with.  FYI, from what I found the dist # is the same for all W-31's and the q-jet #'s all end in 255.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 17:43:51 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: MCC Autofest 10/4

Anybody going to the My Classic Car Autofest this Sat in Evansville, IN at Roberts Stadium?  I've just found out that it looks like I will be able to make it.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:23:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

            hi jeff
                   i have a lot of muscle car reviews and i dont see it in
either aug or oct
  can you think of any other month it might be in
                                                                         jim

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 17:25:35 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Yorba Linda Meet

Lisa,

	When and where will the Yorba Linda meet be this weekend???  Please post
some times and directions.  

	Heater problem:  I may have messed up my vacuum hoses when I rebuilt the
engine in my VC.  Now I get hot air constantly on my feet. 

	Question:  How does the heater valve that is screwed into the intake
manifold work?  Will it shut off if I remove the vacuum hose going to it,
or will it shut off if I run a constant vacuum to it?? 

TIA

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:45:56 -0400
From: "Harry Zimmerman" <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Need help

Please, would someone please take me off the mailing list.  Our son,
Gregory has gone off to join the Navy and isn't reading the email.  Our
mail server went into overload with over 3,000 emails.  We had ATT service
center clear it out yesterday and now we're up to almost 100 emails again
in one day.  This list is the major contributor.  I'd appreciate some help
here.  THANKS>  Greg's Dad

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:57:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Plastic Dash Chrome

          HI MIKE
MR.G  HAS AN AD IN THE HEMMINGS UNDER SERVICES, HE CAN SEND OUT A CATALOGUE
 OR YOU MIGHT WANT TO TRY A CHROME INK FELT PEN THAT YOU CAN BUY AT AN OFFICE
MAX  ,IT WORKS GREAT FOR MINOR TOUCH UPS
                        JIM

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:06:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

well thats my dream car hoagie....i hope maybe someday i'll own one just like
yours, i love that viking blue, white combo. but for now my 67 convertible
will be just fine. and hey, keep that car lookin good!

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:11:14 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Need help

Greg's Dad,
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69 Cutlass S convertible
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http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Harry Zimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, October 02, 1997 7:52 PM
Subject: Need help


>Please, would someone please take me off the mailing list.  Our son,
>Gregory has gone off to join the Navy and isn't reading the email.  Our
>mail server went into overload with over 3,000 emails.  We had ATT service
>center clear it out yesterday and now we're up to almost 100 emails again
>in one day.  This list is the major contributor.  I'd appreciate some help
>here.  THANKS>  Greg's Dad

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:42:41 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Heater Core

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Well, my perfect record remains intact... I have yet to purchase an old
> car that didn't require me to replace the heater core within a very short
> time, and it looks like the Delta's core let go yesterday. That lovely
> damp-sweet odor when I turned on the defroster, and some persistent
> fogging. Shoot! :(
> 
> I looked in the service manual, and the process looks easier than on the
> Cutlass, since it appears you don't need to remove the inner fender.
> Anyone who's done this have any tips for me? The car is non-A/C, which
> should make it easier I hope... having done it on the A-bodies, I figure
> this one should be a snap by comparison!

Greg,
I did this in my '82 Delta.  Piece of cake.  I went in through the
engine bay, took out the screws on the cover, and then ~carefully~ pried
it off.  The adhesive they used was strong, so go slow.  Once the cover
was off the core came right out.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 21:01:46 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Web of Wheels

All,
My 69 is posted as an entry in this week's "Web of Wheels" online car show.
Vote for me please at this URL http://www.vci.net/~emenser/wheels.htm
and I will promise "NO NEW TAXES"

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 20:53:12 -0500
From: gilly24-7@juno.com (Gabe G Gilsrud)
Subject: Re: Parts

- -Gabe G. Gilsrud
Gilly24-7@juno.com

On Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:28:39 -0400 Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
writes:
>>Any parts for an '82 supreme out there???
>
>Where do you live... Plenty of parts available. If you live dirve time
>from NH I can fix you up with complete cars..
>

I'm from Minnesota, but if it's affordable, Maybe ups would work.
I need a deep blue headliner, good, non-power door panels(mine are
disentegrated), and like-new emblems.
My car is a 60 mi. college-to-work daily driver, and I'm 17.
I just painted it last week, 'cuz the road salt will eat it alive.
this isn't a resto, but It has to look good when I sell it a few yrs.
down the road... 
any help would be greatly appreciated, especially if a headliner can be
found.  that would keep that ugly brown foam frim drifting into my eyes
when I try to pick up chix...J/K!
thanx...

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:38:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

In a message dated 97-10-02 15:43:26 EDT, you write:

<< 
 to which David "wise-*ss" Brown replied:
 
 >You mean that elusive 9/16" wrench?
 
 Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
 easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench at
 the end of a long bent handle, which snakes under the distributor and
 reaches that bolt head (which is just to the driver's side of the
 distributor shaft). On my Toro, I can use a regular 9/16" wrench, because
 the firewall is about a foot behind the engine, but on the Cutlass, I'd be
 doing a contortionist's torture test to get at that bolt with a regular
 9/16" wrench.
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry >>

How 'bout just using a 9/16" socket on a swivel, and a medium sized
extension.  That seems to work good for me.  In fact, the special
"distributor" wrench which is offset, doesn't seem to be as easy to use (that
big damned handle seems harder to wield than the socket, and ratchet...

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:45:18 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Web of Wheels

Gee, Mark.  That's nice, but which one's yours?  All the cars look so
nice.  I almost made a mistake...your white '69 convert looked so much like
that black Int*gr* with the funny-lookin' wheels...:-)

M&D Gillespie wrote:

> Vote for me please at this URL http://www.vci.net/~emenser/wheels.htm

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 21:44:02 -0500
From: Charles Lundin <cblundin@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question

Aaron D Eoff wrote:
> 
> ok here it goes.
> 
>  my 77 olds cutlass konked out the other day. the gen warning light stayed
> on even after ignition was off and key removed. Subsequently the battery
> died so i had it recharged and also replaced the altenator per diagnosis
> from olds service manual that indicated voltage regulator was faulty. Napa
> reccomended a new type 90 amp VR with the exact housing of the standard 63
> amp VR. Old s servcice manual does show an 80 amp VR as an option. Would the
> 90 amp be ok to use?? my car does have heated back glass as well as A/C.
> Secondly once i installed charged battery and new alternator and tried
> starting car the fuel guage needle passed "E" then 1/2 then "F" and finally
> stopped way past where it should be. the fuel tank for a  fact has less than
> a quater tank of gas. What causes This to happen??  Thanks for listening!!!
> 
> 
> 
> Aaron D Eoff
>    ///////  ///////
>        //       //
>       //       //
>      //       //
>     //       //  'twas a goodyear
> 
> 1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme
Hi,
I had a problem like this on my 77 Cutlass Supreme. I have the high
capacity electirc system plus heated glass plus a/c plus the small
trailer towing package ( extra lighting hook-ups). The problem was in
the ignition switch. Inside the switch we found internal contacts were
burned and worn and electric arching was present. Even after turning it
off, there was juice flowing and the electircal system behaved as if
engine were running but with not generator output it caused the gen
light to glow. New ignition switch fixed that problem.

The Olds book's starting circuit diagnosis chart on page 6d-20 makes the
assumption that you are trying to start the car, not trying to shut it
off..so that wont help much.If you tested the old generator on the car
with a faulty ignition switch, it could have caused the diagnsos to go
wrong. 

I dont know about the VR switch-over you suggest. The olds shop manual
for 77 calls out the 63 amp generator( model 1102844 ) for Heated Back
Glass and A/C, or for Heavy Duty Cooling with Heated Back Glass. The
next step up is the 80 amp ( model 1101016) which was optionals on
Cutlass, 88, 98 and TORO. I expect that the generator and VR should be
matched. The official Olds shop manual for 77 says :

	" The generator used on All Serices has a transistorized 
	"regulator that is mounted INSIDE the generator.        "
	" The regulators is a sealed unit, temperature compensated"
	" All electronic and does not require adjustment. There are"
	" no moving parts and it cannot be disassembled....." page 6D-30

So if you have an external voltage regulator, you may not have a Olds
speccification
generator, which means you are in uncharted territory.

Regarding the higher amp Olds gen; its got a longer case than the 63amp.
Found that out by a replacement problem,. a local Olds dealer tried to
short-cut a replacement and used the smaller 63amp unit. Problem was
then that the v-belts did not line up correctly, they were real close
though. Result was throwing v-belts about every two days until one
hooked on something( i think it was the ps pump) and caused ancillary
dammage. The numerous thrown belts were possibly also a cause of
excessive wear on the fan clutch. Anyway the dealer claimed that the
problem was really due to a mis-labeled unit. When they installed the
correct replacement, all the v-belts matched up just fine. I think you
ought to stay with the 80 amp VR. 

You can email me offline at cblundin@flash.net.

Regards,
Chuck Lundin
77 Cutlass Supreme V8-260 MT5-speed Positrack

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 22:46:46 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

sounds like you have a short somewhere (most likely w the alarm --just a 
guess)

i am in mechanics / auto tech. school (1st year) right now, so i am just 
learning about this.

my teacher said that near every wire with currant, there is an 
electro-magnetic field.  and some how (which i will be learning about in 
the next few weeks) you can take an ordinary compass, and find the short
location to a specific area before you have to "rip" everything apart
(like a door panel, etc.)

if you know how to use this technique, happy hunting!!!

- --joe

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:16:46 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds factory TPI

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
> 
> Thanks Greg! Nice description. The intake ID should be between the front
> most, right hand runners. In keeping with letter = small block item, it
> should be a letter. The casting number will be 4 to 8 digits long and
> most likely on the top of the runners or near the intake plenum holes.

Found the casting number.  It was at the rear of the manifold though. 
Not on a runner but on the last inch or so of the casting.  Here's what
it said:

F286
1606818

It's also got three letter cast in it, tucked in next to the runner
towards the side, they read PMD or PMO.  
> 
> A couple of more questions. Does it have EGR and how many bolt holes are
> there to attach the throttle body to the intake?

Yes it has EGR.  The valve is mounted in the same place as any of the
olds engines.  Four bolts hold down the throttle body.  And since ony 4
bolts held it down, I decided to pop it off and have a closer look at
the manifold and throttle body.  The diameter of the "barrels" on the
throttle body are 2.25 inch, the same size as the secondaries on a mid
70s vintage Q-jet I have lying around.  The mount on the manifold for
the throttle body is about 4 inches square, and there's two round holes
in the middle that match the "barrels".  The throttle body was
manufactured by Bendix, as was the fast idle vavle.  The TPI sensor is
Bosch and has a 5-pin connector. (Well, they're actually 5 spades, not
pins.)   

Lemme know if there's anything else y'all wanna hear about.  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 22:18:10 -0500
From: Charles Lundin <cblundin@flash.net>
Subject: (no subject)

lists
end

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 15:57:52 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

to which David "wise-*ss" Brown replied:

>You mean that elusive 9/16" wrench?

Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench
at
the end of a long bent handle, which snakes under the distributor and
reaches that bolt head (which is just to the driver's side of the
distributor shaft). On my Toro, I can use a regular 9/16" wrench,
because
the firewall is about a foot behind the engine, but on the Cutlass, I'd
be
doing a contortionist's torture test to get at that bolt with a regular
9/16" wrench.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
- ----------
Hey, which mailer puts those neat middle names in?!!!

OTOH, it must be all that extra coffee I had this morning! I should
have put in a :) or :):), and mentioned it's kind of hard but can be
done with a box wrench or easier with a ratchet. My apologies to the
posters.

Distributor wrenches are nice. I'm not saying you are wrong, but I
used one once, and frankly never used another since I found it
just as hard to use as a ratchet. I like Clayton's torch-line of
distributor wrenches! There is a reason to buy Buffalo brand. I've
got to make one of those.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 97 03:49:08 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Web of Wheels

Beautiful ride...you got my vote.

Fred Orcutt
72 VC
69 D88
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/


- -----Original Message-----
From:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca  On Behalf Of M&D Gillespie
Sent:	Thursday, October 02, 1997 8:02 PM
To:	Oldsmobile List
Subject:	Web of Wheels

All,
My 69 is posted as an entry in this week's "Web of Wheels" online car show.
Vote for me please at this URL http://www.vci.net/~emenser/wheels.htm
and I will promise "NO NEW TAXES"

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:44:40 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

I also have a '91 Quad 442 W-41.  It is the fastest Oldsmobile since
probably 1972?  The car was built in Lansing, the motor was built in
Lansing, has the M code on the vin for assembly plant, manual
transmission etc.

Jeff Antonucci
'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 Conv.Ray Moriarty wrote:

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:52:43 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

Jim,

I guess ACC sent us on a wild goose chase.  Sorry and thanks!

Jeff.

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 00:04:43 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

I have a 1980 Olds 442 W-30. Only 886 produced, 350 engine, TH-350 tranny.
Looks very similar to a 79 Hurst/Olds. Not much on performance running
15.7's but it is a nice show car. Got second place in its class at the
Mondello Olds Nationals this past year. 
____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH        
95 DCM Impala SS.....14.66 @ 95.5 ; 1.917 60 ft ; 4400lbs
80 Olds 442 W-30.......15.70 @ 88.7 ; 2.200 60 ft ; 3300lbs
75 Hurst/Olds W-25 - (2)..one parts car, one resto car
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4.......work truck, 1,625 watt sound system

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:05:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

I know this will make the VC crowd unhappy but look under the wagons at the
bone yards. I have bought two of these for parts thru the years and both have
had 12 bolt posi's in them, and the one that I have now has a turbo 400 and
12 bolt posi. It also has air conditioning and a full gage pack, and a good
dash for my 67 cutlass supreme convertable.It is a some-day project, had one
of these in high school. Lost it in the divorce.Found this one years later it
should have gone to the bone yard but I don't have the heart to send it
there. My wife says that our five acres is the finall resting place for ALL
neglected cars. 


Alan Kohler 
Rockton, IL

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 23:47:30 -0700
From: LARRY POLESNAK <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Re: Web of Wheels

MM&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> All,
> My 69 is posted as an entry in this week's "Web of Wheels" online car show.
> Vote for me please at this URL http://www.vci.net/~emenser/wheels.htm
> and I will promise "NO NEW TAXES"
> 
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
Mick you got my vote....Larry
   6    2    S    T   A    R    F   I    R    EM&D Gillespie wrote:
> 
> All,
> My 69 is posted as an entry in this week's "Web of Wheels" online car show.
> Vote for me please at this URL http://www.vci.net/~emenser/wheels.htm
> and I will promise "NO NEW TAXES"
> 
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:02:27 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Yorba Linda Meet

It's Sunday the fifth.  The show is at Yorba Regional Park.  If you come up
the 15 & then west on the 91 you can exit at Weir Canyon it will swing you
around on Weir C. going north.  After you cross the river the first light
is La Palma, take a left.  The entrance to the Park is about 2 miles down
(just one thank heavans).  It's $2 to get in - after the kiosk  the
entrance road deadends into the frontage road that runs parallel with La
Palma.  We're always to the right on that road - but there are signs also
to follow.  If you come up the 5 to the 91 East, you can exit at Imperial
at go north again to La Palma (after you cross the river again) and go
right on La Palma to the park entrance (about 3 1/2 miles that way).

Looking forward to seeing you again.  I'm not sure about the heater valve
operation to the manifold - but I'm sure Jim knows how its configured.

P.S.  We'll have the twins in tow....watch out :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:14:01 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

As Mike says he needs a beer cause he's losing it:

It sounds like Mike is about ready for a defrosting-squeegie-recap Andy.


Lisa Madsen
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:20:33 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Slow things

 Is he old?   Luckily my parents are and they just sort of squint at me and
say "what are you going to do with THAT one?" like they should all have a
purpose.....

Brought the '64 home today - the other half's Isuzu has emphysema and won't
be around too much longer so its suddenly "the spare", hmm, funny how
convenient that was:-)


Lisa Madsen
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:40:02 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

 I really enjoyed my
>Delta 88 Custom W-33 2-door.

Oooohhhhh, don't tempt me like that (what a thought!)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:46:31 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

The discussion of changing colors on cars reminds me of a recent show with
this beautiful misty blue Cutlass convert - '68 or '9, that had started out
its life as a green or black car and this guy had redone EVERYTHING in
blue, interior, exterior - an absolutely amazing undertaking if you think
about it, swapping everything out or dying it all.  It was the prettiest
car......sigh.......

One day I'll have a *finished* car - I SWEAR.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Cruiser 

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:33:27 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Slow night?

 our
>3-year old daughter is a handful, so anytime I'm doing something on the SX,
>I not only _feel_ like I'm shirking responsibility, but I am positively
>CERTAIN that my time would be better spent elsewhere.

We have to attempt to work on things either through bribing the older kids
(thank heavens they're cash hogs) to baby sit in the house or letting the
twins run in and amongst things (not a good idea - Jay gets a
tool/stick/etc. in his hand and heads for the nearest thing which is...in
our back yard....my cars to "help").  It worked for awhile to let them just
jump around inside a car with the windows down (alot like dogs) until Jay
learned he could pull the Delta into gear and then one of the two decided
to poke out the rear courtesy lamp lenses with their little fingers - so
thats not longer an option. 

I always guilt trip myself, I should and could be doing something more
useful or worthwhile - you just  gotta compensate and work around the
obstacles currently at hand (2 year olds twins are ONE big obstacle) when
it comes to a hobby you love - and never stop reminding them that those
shiny pretty cars are fun (when and if they ever admit it later :-).

Wait until the 3 year old gets older and complains you "like your cars more
then you like me"  I always say its cause they can't talk back.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 21:38:29 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:  MY OLDS WON!!!!

>I hope that means that it will posted for this weeks contest.  If so, please
>vote for the '67!

What idiot wouldn't vote for your incredible machine (well besides one of
those "other" car makers idiots)

Lets go for 2 in a row!!!!

>
Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:50:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

In a message dated 97-10-02 18:56:43 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Bah! Just get a Powertrax Locker. It replaces some of the innards of
 your differential and makes is posi. Works like open diff around corners
 too (so they say). Only about $300.
  >>

Where?

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 00:40:50 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Slow night?

I too have twins (one year old Oct 11) and have another on the way (due
March 20, with complications) and completely understand the feeling of
guilt about working on my "hobby" vrs. spending time with the family.
I have learned that 3:00 is a great time to work on the "hobbies".  The
only problem is that the only time I have to sleep is between 1:00 and
6:00(and that is on a long sleep night). This tends to slow all
projects,
including income related projects.  So, I do what I can when I can,
and give the rest to kids, wife and job (and a little sleep on the
side).  Working on my cars keeps me sane and relieves more stress
than any run around the block; on foot that is. zzzzzzZZZZZZ.
  
Forrest

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 01:54:40 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: 330 intake

  Hi everybody! Recently I've been looking for a four barrel intake manifold
for my '67 cutlass 330ci. I decided to save some money and go the salvage
yard way since all I am looking for is a cast intake. To my surprise I
discovered not only are they almost non-existant here in the Tulsa,Oklahoma,
area, but I was told by some of the salvage guys that the EPA was making
them get rid of most of the older makes of engine cores! Has anyone else out
there heard about this?
  I checked with a local Olds dealer and was told that a pre-1976 350ci intake
would bolt up nicely. By the way, when did Olds start painting their engines
blue? I was told it was 1978. Thanks for any info.
Fred Kemp

'67 cutlass
'67 442

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