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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 30 1997      Volume 01 : Number 826



[Leads] '67 98 Cov & '71 Toro (MD)
Tech Tip - Hidden Vacuum Leak (fwd)
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: ADMIN: More trivial suggestions?
UNBOUNCE: Delta 88s
Rocket for Sale (fwd)
Re: ADMIN: More trivial suggestions?
Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts
Re: You never know where  (long)
Re: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods
OAI Hood Wanted
Drag car buildup advice needed
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: Drag car buildup advice needed
Re: Julian Show
Re: Rocket for Sale (fwd)
Re: delta 88s II
Free xxx Minutes Teen sex!!
Re: 442 newbie question
Re: 73 Carb
Big small block
DEAD Battery!
Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: Rocket for Sale (fwd)
policies and cartoons
SIGHTING:68-72 Cutlass F/S
Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
'55 Close to Ready (Long, but not if you like 50;s cars)
Springfield '98
Re: '55 Close to Ready (Long, but not if you like 50;s cars)
Re: '55 Close to Ready (Long, but not if you like 50's cars)
Re: Good Olds Karma + 78's
Update on my car.....  the new motor...
Re: Update on my car.....  the new motor...
Spline ª's
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Rare Cutlass TRW 5 Speed V-8 Factory

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:38:49 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: [Leads] '67 98 Cov & '71 Toro (MD)

From a buddy of mine down in Chevy Chase, MD

LEAD ADS from Joe Coyle: (OCA ª 013343)

1967 OLDS 98 Convertible in very good condition; fully operational,
low-mileage, garage-kept;  new tires; white over white with blue
interior; one skirt missing; available at reasonable price in Chevy
Chase, Md. untill Sept. 6 only! Serious calls only: 301/652-4155.


1971 OLDS TORONADO - Needs paint & vinyl, carb overhaul and exhaust
manifold gaskets but complete car; 80K miles; white with black top and
interior; new tires;  located in Towson, Md. Save this one from the
crusher as a project or parts car. Serious calls to Joe at 301/656/9579
until 8PM EDT.


- --

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:18:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Tech Tip - Hidden Vacuum Leak (fwd)

From Doug Kitchener...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:08:43 -0400
From: Douglas Kitchener <dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org>
To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca, toro@armchair.mb.ca
Subject: Tech Tip - Hidden Vacuum Leak

Toroids, Oldsmoids,

Here's a tech tip for you... the victim in this case is me, and I shoulda known
better as this has happened to me before.

About two weeks before the Centennial (of course!), my '70 Cutlass Supreme
started idling rough, not a regular miss though,  yet ran fine at speed.  Well,
check the simple things first... points/dwell were a prime suspect; I've had
point trouble before.  Replaced points and set dwell and timing, with no 
effect.
 Fiddled with the Quadrajet, no effect.  Swapped it out for another one, that
one was worse than the original.  Plugs seemed ok, and other ignition parts
(wires, cap, rotor, coil, condenser) and the fuel pump were all fairly new and
not suspect.  Vacuum hoses all looked OK.  Couldn't find or figure anything
else, and engine vacuum seemed OK.  (I have a vacuum gauge installed in the car
and readings were normal, as far as I could remember; no fluctuation or
anything.)

Ran outta time before Lansing; the problem didn't seem to be getting any worse
and was only at idle, so decided to drive it to Michigan the way it was and
toheckwithit!  Wondered about the carb, but couldn't prove anything, and why
would it go south on me all of a sudden?

Guess what it was?  This car has power brakes.  Behind the master cylinder,
where it bolts to the booster, is a cup-shaped rubber seal that sits in the
booster.  As you look at it, it's about 2-1/4" in diameter.  It was torn, 
sucked
 by the vacuum, I guess.

Strangely enough, I've had trouble with this part before.  If memory serves,
this is the third time in ten years that I've had to replace this sucker in a
car that's only been driven 30,000 miles in that time.

Diagnosis is difficult at first, as engine vacuum readings won't appear to be
excessively low... as I mentioned above, the first symptom is a rough idle.  
The
 way I discovered the problem is that eventually, the thing will start hissing
at you as it continues to tear, but this takes awhile... in this case, a
750-mile trip from Washington DC to Lansing MI.

I shoulda picked up on it, as I've had this trouble before... don't know why,
tho, nothing seems abnormal... guess these seals are just old.

One more thing... a few years back, I replaced the original one with a junkyard
one, which went away on me somewhere along the line.  At that point, I tried to
order a new one from the local Olds dealer (almost all GM cars with power 
brakes
 use this seal) and the cup-style one had been discontinued and replaced with a
 flat one.  If memory serves, the P/N of the replacement one is 18005284.
Ordered a few of those and it was one of them that went bad this time.
Somewhere along the line I tried to order more of the flat ones, and _that_
number came back as discontinued... not sure if it really is or if the parts 
guy
 goofed.  But there are billions of them in junkyards, I nabbed four today!  If
 yuou have a whacky problem that acts like a vacuum leak, be sure and check
this thing, and the power brake check valve... and also check those two things
before you go replacing a booster that you think may be bad... you may save
yourself a lot of work!  Oh, by the way, this part was changed in the newer
('80s) cars, it's stll a flat seal but larger in diameter than the one used
during the '70s. Not sure when the change was... the booster in my car is of
course a Delco-Moraine one... I have no idea what uses what, and when the
change occurred, but beware that there is more than one size of this gadget!

Happy Motoring!

Doug Kitchener
dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us

Email list members, please cc me directly on any comments, as I'm not presently
on either list.  Thanks!

Greg B, please post this to the list; I have a reputation to maintain here!  :)

D

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:19:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

On Thu, 28 Aug 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> A few folks have already posted the treasures they found at the swap
> meet in Lansing.  What about the rest of you?

Well, lessee... still haven't unpacked this stuff yet. I just moved into
my new (to me at least, it's also my first) house, so a lot of this stuff
is yet to see the light of day.

OCA Merchandise: Fender cover, license plate frames, decal sheet
Set of 8 1961-vintage Oldsmobile Quarter-Century Club glasses, $35
2 Olds wooden yardsticks circa late 60's-early 70s, $5
1968 brushed aluminum 8-track faceplate, $5
1968 complimentary Oldsmobile 8-track cart, $3
1968 paint chip chart, $8
Air cleaner pie pan retainer, $16.50
Accessory trunk mat, $40
AC-Delco tin advertising sign, $20
1978 Chassis service manaual, $35
NOS "Delta" front emblem, $5, hood ornament, $5
1978 Delta rear bumper, $too much
R.E. Olds Museum merchandise: posters, Rocket block, etc., about $25 total
Alpha One Centennial sweater, $40
Dr. Olds clock, $20
Oldsmobile tie, $20

Ouch! But at least we had fun. :)

Now if only I can find the box containing my lampshades...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts

Thanks for sending something back! Where exactly do you put the heat shield?
What is a hot start? Where can I get a heat shield and any additional
information. Yes, that is the original color combo! The original owner order
those colors! What kind of car do you have?

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:10:02
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

At 06:28 PM 8/29/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I've been on the road to and from Lansing and missed a lot.  But am I missing
>something in this discussion?
>
>Why would a trans fluid change have anything to do with engine oil pressure??
>
>Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

Bob,

You _are_ missing something.  There were two separate questions, one about
an oil light remaining on for an unusually long time after starting, and
the other about where to get a transmission filter.


Dan




*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:12:59
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

At 07:27 PM 8/29/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
>> nifty Oldsmobile tie ($20, but what the hell)
>
>Ya know, I knew I should have waited...
>
>I bought one of these at the Henry Ford Museum.  Paid $27.50 for mine.

Paul,

You bought an _Olds_ tie at the Henry _Ford_ museum?



Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:23:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: More trivial suggestions?

On Thu, 29 Aug 1996, Charley Buehner wrote:
> Some other listservers I've seen add a footer stating what to do to
> remove yourself from their list.  Whaddya all think about doing that?
> It seems that so many of the posts these days are simply remove requests
> (doesn't ~anybody~ read their welcome message?????!) perhaps it would
> conserve troubles to add such a message as a listserver signature.  Any
> thoughts?

Yeah, Charley, that's a good idea... I'll get to it along with the one
about putting an "OLDS" tag in front of each subject line Real Soon Now...

Apologies to the list for the inability of Mr. Atlas and others to leave
on their own yesterday... as mentioned previously, I moved into my house
on Wednesday and the phone company didn't hook me up until this morning.
No phone, no Olds list, etc.

Still looking for those lampshades... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:25:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Delta 88s

Forwarding... majordomo won't let you use the phrase "A*d me"...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:Sat, 30 Aug 97 01:25:07 UT
From:"Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: delta 88s II

You can add me to the list:

Fred Orcutt: 69

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:38:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Rocket for Sale (fwd)

Forwarding... note that this is a lead on an estate sale car...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:32:33 +0000
From: J.B. Coyle <JBCoyle@worldnet.att.net>
To: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Rocket for Sale

Gentlemen,

Holiday weekend greetings.  I am a Oldsmobile/OCA friend of Doug Kitchener's
from the D. C. area, and he suggested that I contact you in hopes that I
might have a lead Ad with a short fuse placed on the " Olds List ?"..or
something equivalent..

If I were writing an Ad for print, it might read as follows:

    1976 Olds 98 Convertible: Very good condition;  garage-kept/sparingly
driven; white over white with blue interior;
    new tires;  fully operational car; available until Sept 6th only in
Chevy Chase, Md. (northern suburb of Wash., D. C.);
    Serious calls only to 301/652-4155.

I emphasize that this is a LEAD AD - not my car. It is an estate car and the
deceased's assets are being disposd of now.  Wish I could jump on it, but I
can't handle any more cars just now.  Presently I have 2 Oldsmobiles: 1976
Toronado and 1955 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.

Appreciate anything you can do.

Many thanks.

Joe Coyle

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:40:28 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: More trivial suggestions?

At 11:23 PM 8/29/97 -0300, you wrote:

>Still looking for those lampshades... :)
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
Greg

        Did you check and see if maybe Steve is wearing your lampshades!

Jim Chermack

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:51:37 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts

A hot start occours when you re-start the car after it was run for a
long while, then shut off and re-started shortly thereafter.  Olds'
starters tend to freeze while trying to start.  The heat shield mounts
on the solenoid to shield it from some of the exhaust manifold heat.

Another solution is to use a remote solenoid like Ford.

I have a '70 442 Conv, and a '91 quad 442 W-41.  Niether show quality.
I flew in from PA on Saturday, so I didn't see everything.  Did some
business while I was out there to justify the trip.

Took six rolls of pictures!  Talked to the owners I saw, but can't
remember if I talked to you.  Very nice car though.

Jeff Antonucci

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:59:59 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: You never know where  (long)

Sorry for taking so long to reply very busy
I had a friend who was already interested Sorry I can't help

Bob

- ----------
> From: M&D Gillespie <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: You never know where  (long)
> Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 6:06 PM
>
>  Are you interested in selling the rear end? Did you retreive the whole
unit
> out to the drums? Do you know the ratio? I would like to convert my
cutlass
> to posi with a better ratio than the 3.08. It would also solve my bent
axle
> problem. E-mail privately if you're interested.
>
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, August 09, 1997 3:16 PM
> Subject: You never know where (long)
>
>
>
> >This past week I went north for a couple of days to visit family.  My
> >father told me he had heard of a 69 cutlass that had been parted out and
he
> >thought he might know where the car went to what wreckers
> >So we crabbed some tools and off we went.  Hour or so later we found the
> >yard, talk to the owner and no such luck he never heard of the Olds
being
> >scrapped.
> >So discourage we hopped back into my van and on we went back home.
While
> >driving down the road we saw a field full of washing machine, fridges
and
> >stoves.  So we stopped in to ask if he knew of any wreckers in the area.
> >He replied what you guys looken for.
> >I said Oldsmobiles 68-72
> >He said got somethin like that out back, got her a few years ago
> >So he pointed to a mound of sand and said look back there
> >When Dad and I came around the hill there were about 15 beat up old
> >wreck....Really beat up
> >But we did find a 69 442....Burnt to a crisp.  But I was able to get the
> >rear end and the Sway bar
> >There was also the remnance of a 70 Cutlass and a 65 Olds Wagon
> >We hadn't the time to check the other wrecks much as the place was
closing
> >up but be sure enough I will return to look much harder for good pieces
in
> >the next few weeks .
> >You just never know where you will find a car, ever in a washing machine
> >wreckers
> >
> >
> >Robert Schinkel
> >1970 W-31
> >1970 442 Conv.
> >1970 Cutlass Conv.
> >
>

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:02:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods

i have a friend that separated the two panels of the hood. he also tried to
use the steele frame from another hood (steel hood), but they are not the
same. he is now back to the original frame,and trying to repair it.  steven,
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:08:53 -0400
From: Lindsey Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: OAI Hood Wanted

I am still looking for an original OAI hood for my 1971 Olds 442
Convertible. I have not seen a lot of positive response about the repos.
Does anyone on the list have a hood that they would be willing to sell or
know someone that might have one for sale? Any help would be greatly
appreciated. Also, I have a set of five SSI rims (14 x 7) and four center
caps that are in very good condition for sale or trade.

Thanks,
Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 Convertible
Thomaston, Maine

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:15:42 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Drag car buildup advice needed

Hello all,

I plan to build me a 95% drag 5% cruise car over the winter am seeking
advice from those who have "been there done that..or are still doing it
:-)" I have 3 Olds to choose from for the buildup: 72 Cutlass Supreme, 80
Olds Cutlass (not my 442...another plain jane Olds) , or 75 Hurst/Olds.
Which would provide the best foundation for a drag car? I know the 75
weighs alot so that is a big concern. The 80 is a stripped car from the
factory with hardly any options.  The 72 is pretty much stripped too, it is
a 350 dual exhaust car now.  I see that drag racing components (like roll
cages, 12 bolts, etc.) are more common on the aftermarket for the G-body
and the early A-body.  The concern I have with the 80 is the weak frames
inherent in the G-bodies that are clearly seen on modified GN's with all
their body twist at launch...but this problem should take care of itself
with a 10 point roll cage. As for my engine questions that will be another
post.....thanks a bunch

____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS.....don't get much better than this
80 Olds 442 W-30.......show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25...restoration project
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4.......work truck

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:35:00 -0500
From: "John M. Loban" <cyberpsych@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> A few folks have already posted the treasures they found at the swap
> meet in Lansing.  What about the rest of you?
>
> Here's how I made out:
>
>All NOS for my '63 Starfire;
premium fuel cap $4.00
GM carb rebuild kit $3.00
Windshield washer tank $5.00
choke cover and thermostat $8.00
deluxe wheel disc $30.00
fuel door guard $7.00
pair of rear quarter mldgs to go around aluminum insert $90.00
Misc T-shirts and junk for my son (to keep him happy)
Best buy:  rear bumper with dent taken off car in 7/64 $125.00 . It will
be perfect after rechroming. These bumpers are impossible to find!

Sorry I missed the Holiday Inn gathering. We were at the delta engine
plant for a tour and my teenage son's voracious appetite demanded food
after that.  By the way did anyone see my car Saturday, at the swap meet
I was parked on the street all day - red '63 Starfire convertible.  That
wasn't me in the parade, although that car is just like mine it was
painted the wrong color red and unlike mine was originally a different
color(white with rose interior).  I put 1500 miles on the car with no
problems  the most fun was driving with the caravan (We met up with them
in Iowa).  The wednesday drive to Lansing was a kick with Illinois
Indiana and Michigan  Highway Patrol blocking freeway entrance ramps
until our 178 car caravan passed.  John

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 23:39:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Drag car buildup advice needed

In a message dated 97-08-29 23:20:12 EDT, you write:

<< Hello all,

 I plan to build me a 95% drag 5% cruise car over the winter am seeking
 advice from those who have "been there done that..or are still doing it
 :-)" I have 3 Olds to choose from for the buildup: 72 Cutlass Supreme, 80
 Olds Cutlass (not my 442...another plain jane Olds) , or 75 Hurst/Olds.
 Which would provide the best foundation for a drag car? I know the 75
 weighs alot so that is a big concern. The 80 is a stripped car from the
 factory with hardly any options.  The 72 is pretty much stripped too, it is
 a 350 dual exhaust car now.  I see that drag racing components (like roll
 cages, 12 bolts, etc.) are more common on the aftermarket for the G-body
 and the early A-body.  The concern I have with the 80 is the weak frames
 inherent in the G-bodies that are clearly seen on modified GN's with all
 their body twist at launch...but this problem should take care of itself
 with a 10 point roll cage. As for my engine questions that will be another
 post.....thanks a bunch
 ___________________________________________
 Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
  >>

Jason, just my .02 cents but I think I would go with the 80, 10 or 12 point,
tub the car, and go Ford 9 inch.  Theres probably a lot of fiberglass still
around for the 80.  I see a guy in Omaha every so often that has a 79-80
Cutlass Pro Street that runs real well, very streetable, big hood, BIG tires
and tubs and cage and a very intimidating look. Its not radical at all and
i think it runs high11-low 12s. Next time im up there ill get details from
him and could even hook the 2 of ya up probably if that would help....TIM

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:46:29 -0300
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Julian Show

Since we're not bringing any of the tribe we usually just stick to the
Delta.  I'll see if I can talk the other half into driving though (he hates
that - so its about a 20% chance they'll both go), I like taking 2 cars.

Thanks for the rundown on your rebuild costs - the 400 is slated for the
same starting in February of '98.  Oh, I guess I could sell my 240,000 mile
original 350 CID for - what - $10.00 and put that towards the 400!!  Haha.

I need to get the Toro roadworthy first as I'm gonna drive it once we start
the major components swap (taking the boxed control arms & 12 bolt out of
my parts wagon along with swapping in the 400 when its done) on the VC.

Too many projects - not enough time or money.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:03:16 -0300
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Rocket for Sale (fwd)

At 11:38 PM 8/29/97 -0300, you wrote:

>    1976 Olds 98 Convertible: Very good condition;  garage-kept/sparingly
>driven; white over white with blue interior;
>    new tires;  fully operational car; available until Sept 6th only in
>Chevy Chase, Md. (northern suburb of Wash., D. C.);
>    Serious calls only to 301/652-4155.
>
>I emphasize that this is a LEAD AD - not my car. It is an estate car and the
>deceased's assets are being disposd of now.  Wish I could jump on it, but I
>can't handle any more cars just now.  Presently I have 2 Oldsmobiles: 1976
>Toronado and 1955 Cutlass Supreme Convertible.
>
>Appreciate anything you can do.
>
>Many thanks.
>
>Joe Coyle

NO SUCH CAR!!!

Unless it was a custom conversion.  The last production Olds 98 convertible
was made in 1970.

And a 19-FIFTY-five Cutlass??  Does he mean 1965?  Was there a "Supreme" in
'65?


Dan (in the twilight zone)


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:39:10 -0300
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

Hey Brian - thats one problem with having a few horsepower at your disposal:-)

Welcome & it sounds like your on your way to land barge heaven.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 01:20:06 -0300
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442 newbie question

The 1980's version FWD stood for
four cylinder - four valves per cylinder -dual exhaust outlets

 Alan Kohler
Rockton, IL

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:46:11 -0300
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 73 Carb

> I found a 73 carb which I think is four speed but would like to asked the
> list mambers
> All books I have are for 68 - 72
>
> The carb No. is 7043256

This is the carb for the 180hp 1973 Olds 350, as used in the Vista Cruisers
and the full-size cars. It is not listed specifically for an auto or 4-speed
car, but I don't think you'll find too many 4-speed Vistas or Deltas from
that era! (I thought that the 3-speed column unit was dropped after '71, but
wasn't there also a rumor of a much later car with one?). It's not for a
factory performance application, whatever the case. It has "69" primary
jets, "53C" primary metering rods and "CG" secondary metering rods.

> I also picked one up with number
> 17057257

That carb was used exclusively by the Toronado on its one-year only 200hp
403, specifically for High-Altitude applications, with or without A/C (and
obviously for an automatic transmission). It has "70" primary jets, "50M"
primary metering rods and "CV" secondary metering rods.

All these tuning parts will interchange between the carbs, except for the
primary metering rods (the "170xxxxx" series carbs had different length rods
than the "70xxxxx" series carbs). Both are equally fine starting points for
modifications to work on a performance car.

> Oh  ....  If you wounder where I picked them up.  They were at a flea
> market and I got both for $20.00

Good price, even if one ends up being used just for parts.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:09:59 -0300
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Big small block

Rocketteers,
Has anyone here ever put 425 pistons in a 330 block????
I have been told they with fit with proper overbore and that the pin
height is the same.

The General

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:00:48 -0300
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: DEAD Battery!

>.I have a 1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible.  My battery keeps dying after about
>three or four days of driving it.  I connected my test light between the
battery
>post and the cable to see if anything was pulling electricity while the car 
was
>off.  Sure enough it lit up.  I proceeded to pull out the fuses one by one to
>see if the light would go out due to a short somewhere past the fuse box.  Of
>course, the light didn't go out.  What else could be pulling on the battery
that
>doesn't go through the fuse box?  I had the alternator tested today and it


I had this same problem a few years ago with my Cutlass.  Same testing and
symptons.  Try replacing the voltage regulator.  On your it should be external.
A 12$ part.  That was shorting out and causing the drain for me.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts

Thanks! I have headers on my olds. does that make a difference? I don't know
if I talked to you. Where did you say you could get a heat shield? Do you by
any chance have a scanner? I was wondering if you could scan some of the
pictures of my car over to me. Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:11:51 -0300
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

 Are you throwing a party Greg?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Ouch! But at least we had fun. :)

Now if only I can find the box containing my lampshades...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 02:14:05 -0300
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: Rocket for Sale (fwd)

>     1976 Olds 98 Convertible: Very good condition;  garage-kept/sparingly
> driven; white over white with blue interior;
>     new tires;  fully operational car; available until Sept 6th only in
> Chevy Chase, Md. (northern suburb of Wash., D. C.);
>     Serious calls only to 301/652-4155.
>
> I emphasize that this is a LEAD AD - not my car. It is an estate car and
the
> deceased's assets are being disposd of now.
>
> Joe Coyle

Joe ...

The last Ninety-Eight convertible was from the 1970 model year; it might be
a Delta 88, but it would be 1975 model in that case.  No 1976 convertible
Delta 88s were made.  Then again, perhaps the folks from this estate were
into serious modifications, in which case anything is possible ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:12:06 -0300
From: "Robert E. Karaffa, II" <rkaraff@emory.edu>
Subject: policies and cartoons

To the list owner (and to all):
I usually keep quiet on this list, since I ain't got much to add that
would be of interest to the Olds folks (let me have a few more gray
hairs and then maybe I'll say something startling, like "Back in '85, my
uncle had a '98 convert that he sold us for a song.  Huge car!  Eighteen
feet long!  A whole family could set up housekeeping in the trunk!  We
used to walk fifteen miles to school in the snow with no shoes and rat
poison for a snack!")  Okay, sorry.  Anyhow, I subscribe to a couple of
other mailing lists, and I noticed recently that one of them has an
interesting addition to every message.  The list owner has figured out a
way to add a note to every message that looks like this:

The nnn mailing list--see http://blah.blah.blah
for subscribe/unsubscribe, policy and archive information.

I have seen many messages on all of these mailing lists that ask to
subscribe/unsubscribe in the incorrect way, which leads to flame wars,
which leads to bad feelings, which leads to road rage, which leads to
gun battles on the freeway, and etc.  Might this help?
If not, I'm going to invest in an Army-Navy Surplus Store for my
neighborhood.
- -Bob K.

That's a joke, son! A joke!  Ain't ya got no sense of humor, boy?!
-F. Leghorn
- --
**************************
Robert E. Karaffa, II
Emory University
Flow Cytometry Core Facility
1365 B Clifton Rd.
Atlanta, Ga 30322
voice: 404/778-4889
e-mail: rkaraff@emory.edu
Flow Lab FTP Server IP address:
163.246.55.15
**************************

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:54:56 -0300
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: SIGHTING:68-72 Cutlass F/S

Spotted a Safron Yellow 68-72 Cutlass for sale along I-94 between
Milwaukee and Chicago yesterday.  it was near milepost 355 (or maybe
335??) anyway, it was fairly close to the state line.  From what I could
see at 70 mph (no, I wasn't diving..) Two door 68 - 72 (and I am just
guessing on the years...) Cutlass two door hard top.  I guess it would
be Saffron yellow with a black vinyl top.  Looked to be in nice shape
from 100 feet away.  No phone number visible, but I am sure there was
one on the For Sale sign in small print.
- --
- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

- --------------------------------------------------------
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
- --------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:06:07 -0300
From: James Zito <jimzito@soback.kornet.nm.kr>
Subject: Re: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

> hi jim some questions about the  parts listed below



> 69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
> Are these for a 2 door and if so are they power window doors?

> 69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
> Just what does good mean, is it straight/no dings?  If so how is the
> chrome?

> 69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $350.00
> Does it have any dents or bondo?

> 69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00

Is this a 442 bumper ie with cutouts?

I'm interested in these parts depending on their condition.

Jim

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:39:13 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: '55 Close to Ready (Long, but not if you like 50;s cars)

Hi. My name is Gary Andresen.

This will be interesting if you like 50's Olds's, Fast Olds's
or JUST LOVE CARS as I do. (There are some questions interspersed
within my rambling text I could use some help on.)

I am 53, so have had my share of cars. But we'll just talk about
the Oldsmobiles in my life.

My very first car as a sixteen year old licensed drive was a '51
Super 88 2-door hardtop. Green and black. As I recall I paid about
$75 for it.  Straight car.  Ran nice, but noisy hydraulic lifters.
It even had the radio that you could change stations on by pressing
a button on the floor.

My next Olds was purchased when I was eighteen from a buddy at college.
It was a '55 Super 88 2-door hardtop.  White and black with a red
interior.
Paid $600 for it and THIS CAR WAS CHERRY. Oh, yeah, it was running a '58
J-2
engine with a B&M hydro.  Even had cut-outs and came with a pair of
slicks.
This is the best and favorite car of all those I have owned.  (Including
a '62
Maserati Sebring Coupe which I owned for about a year and decided the
cost of
parts was out of my league.)  To this day I kick myself in the ass every
time
I think about selling that car, just before getting married. (Still
married to her)

My next Olds was a '75 Cutlass Brougham.  Creamy Yellow with a Tan Top.
This
car had every option you could get.  Great car, but in hindsight, could
have
used a tramsmission cooler on long trips.

No more Oldsmobile until three years ago when a bought a '55 "88" 2-door
hardtop
from a guy a met on the Prodigy for $1,000.  Complete car with a bashed
in (not
too bad) right rear quarter panel.  After towing from Eureka to
Pleasanton CA
(about 45 miles south east of San Francisco) rebuilt the starter, put
some gas
in the tank, and it started right up.  Ran strong, but decent blow-by on
the 133k
engine (which I just gave to a local '55 Olds owner)so you can imagine
the amount
of build up in the engine compartment and frame.

Up until the end of last year, spent my spare time disassembling,
scraping grease
off, sandlasting and refinishing everything that got painted black.
Didn't take
the body of the frame, but who will know besides you guys ( and gals) so
don't tell.

As you may have guessed by now I am recreating the '55 that I loved so
much.  Back in
'61, a J-2 had respectable power, but not today.  So the engine
compartment now
contains a balanced and blueprinted 455 Olds power house with Dual
Carter AFB 4-barrels
sittin on an Offenhaused intake. MSD ignition and a mile cam.  Learned
from a guy at
a car show that Offenhaused would special order thier beautiful ribbed
aluminum valve
covers, so they are sitting on my workbench waiting to be installed as a
final touch.
This is connected to a rebuilt TH400 transmission which is hooked up to
the stock rear
end.

MY FIRST QUESTION - Do you think the rear-end can handle this engine??
This isn't
intended to be a drag car, but you know damn well I will get on it every
chance I get.

Every bit of chrome and stainless has been re-done. (Would you believe
over $3,200,
just for doing this stuff, this car is breaking me)  The car has been at
the body and
paint guy (who does this one the side and does beautiful work) since
March of this
year.  After doing his magic on the body, he is painting the car today.
Thought long
and hard on the color, and was tempted to do the white and black thing,
but you know
how black paint is, so went to white and turquoise.  Dash redone, etc.
Brand new
top-tinted windshield (Was $350 a fair price) and tinted straight
glass.  Using the
original rear window as it was fine.

Bought a pair of '51 California plates with a '55 tag and sent the to
Darrel's license
plate restoration.  This guy is real slow, but the car buffs around here
say they have
never seen plates done better, even on cars at the Pebble Beach
Councourse.........

SECOND QUESTION - Just openned the tube with my new door sills from
Fusick, and was
surprised to find that they were plain aluminimum.  Was expecting a
duplicate of the
originals.  Any thoughts or other sources would be appreciated.

The interior is being done by a guy nearbuy who is copying the original
design.  Gray
tweed, with light and dark gray naugahide.

THIRD QUESTION - I bought all new sheet-metal screws for the engine
compartment, but
don't know where to get nice looking chromed or polishe screws/fasteners
for all of the
new lenses and the interior molding.  Any ideas.


OPINIONS ON THIS WELCOME - I am now also trying to decide on what to do
about the wheels
and tires.  Having a lot of trouble trouble with this.  Have the
original small hubcaps
with the white Olds workd insignia.  Three are good and one has a small
dent.  This could
like nice with a chrome rign treatment.  Will install radials, but want
tires that can
handle the engine, so I assume white walls are out, but not sure if I
want them or not
anyway.  Wanted to visit Lansing in hopes of having a lot of examples to
use for ideas,
but work committments ruled that out.

Have also considered smoothie chromed rims with the round hubcaps for a
mile street rod
treatment.

Anyway, it will take a few weeks to put all the stuff back on and then
hit the road for
the first time.

When it's done I will get pictures to Bryceman for his Web site.  Have
take lots of them,
so will pick some of best and let him decide what he has room for.

Hope this was too long.  Don't know what the etiquete is for this group.

Gary Andresen
Pleasanton, CA
gandresen@ibm.net (home)
gandresen@altigen.net (work)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 10:46:55 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Springfield '98

Boyz and Girlz,

Just got off the phone with the Crown Plaza. My reservations have been made for
next years Nationals.

If you haven't made reservations already, I would strongly suggest you do so
now, even if you are NOT sure if you are going. You can always cancel.

I booked a room for July 15-->18th. I will leave Sunday morning.

Don't forget to mention you are with the OCA as you get a humongous discount.
Double rooms are regularly $129/night. With the OCA discount they go down to
$82/night.

This is a BRAND new hotel and sounds like a real nice one!!!

Crown Plaza ª  217-529-7777

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:50:50 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: '55 Close to Ready (Long, but not if you like 50;s cars)

Just read this.  Should have run through spell checker.  Fast
typing causes errors.

Gary Andresen wrote:
>
> Hi. My name is Gary Andresen.
>
> This will be interesting if you like 50's Olds's, Fast Olds's
> or JUST LOVE CARS as I do. (There are some questions interspersed
> within my rambling text I could use some help on.)
>
> I am 53, so have had my share of cars. But we'll just talk about
> the Oldsmobiles in my life.
>
> My very first car as a sixteen year old licensed drive was a '51
> Super 88 2-door hardtop. Green and black. As I recall I paid about
> $75 for it.  Straight car.  Ran nice, but noisy hydraulic lifters.
> It even had the radio that you could change stations on by pressing
> a button on the floor.
>
> My next Olds was purchased when I was eighteen from a buddy at college.
> It was a '55 Super 88 2-door hardtop.  White and black with a red
> interior.
> Paid $600 for it and THIS CAR WAS CHERRY. Oh, yeah, it was running a '58
> J-2
> engine with a B&M hydro.  Even had cut-outs and came with a pair of
> slicks.
> This is the best and favorite car of all those I have owned.  (Including
> a '62
> Maserati Sebring Coupe which I owned for about a year and decided the
> cost of
> parts was out of my league.)  To this day I kick myself in the ass every
> time
> I think about selling that car, just before getting married. (Still
> married to her)
>
> My next Olds was a '75 Cutlass Brougham.  Creamy Yellow with a Tan Top.
> This
> car had every option you could get.  Great car, but in hindsight, could
> have
> used a tramsmission cooler on long trips.
>
> No more Oldsmobile until three years ago when a bought a '55 "88" 2-door
> hardtop
> from a guy a met on the Prodigy for $1,000.  Complete car with a bashed
> in (not
> too bad) right rear quarter panel.  After towing from Eureka to
> Pleasanton CA
> (about 45 miles south east of San Francisco) rebuilt the starter, put
> some gas
> in the tank, and it started right up.  Ran strong, but decent blow-by on
> the 133k
> engine (which I just gave to a local '55 Olds owner)so you can imagine
> the amount
> of build up in the engine compartment and frame.
>
> Up until the end of last year, spent my spare time disassembling,
> scraping grease
> off, sandlasting and refinishing everything that got painted black.
> Didn't take
> the body of the frame, but who will know besides you guys ( and gals) so
> don't tell.
>
> As you may have guessed by now I am recreating the '55 that I loved so
> much.  Back in
> '61, a J-2 had respectable power, but not today.  So the engine
> compartment now
> contains a balanced and blueprinted 455 Olds power house with Dual
> Carter AFB 4-barrels
> sittin on an Offenhaused intake. MSD ignition and a mile cam.  Learned
> from a guy at
> a car show that Offenhaused would special order thier beautiful ribbed
> aluminum valve
> covers, so they are sitting on my workbench waiting to be installed as a
> final touch.
> This is connected to a rebuilt TH400 transmission which is hooked up to
> the stock rear
> end.
>
> MY FIRST QUESTION - Do you think the rear-end can handle this engine??
> This isn't
> intended to be a drag car, but you know damn well I will get on it every
> chance I get.
>
> Every bit of chrome and stainless has been re-done. (Would you believe
> over $3,200,
> just for doing this stuff, this car is breaking me)  The car has been at
> the body and
> paint guy (who does this one the side and does beautiful work) since
> March of this
> year.  After doing his magic on the body, he is painting the car today.
> Thought long
> and hard on the color, and was tempted to do the white and black thing,
> but you know
> how black paint is, so went to white and turquoise.  Dash redone, etc.
> Brand new
> top-tinted windshield (Was $350 a fair price) and tinted straight
> glass.  Using the
> original rear window as it was fine.
>
> Bought a pair of '51 California plates with a '55 tag and sent the to
> Darrel's license
> plate restoration.  This guy is real slow, but the car buffs around here
> say they have
> never seen plates done better, even on cars at the Pebble Beach
> Councourse.........
>
> SECOND QUESTION - Just openned the tube with my new door sills from
> Fusick, and was
> surprised to find that they were plain aluminimum.  Was expecting a
> duplicate of the
> originals.  Any thoughts or other sources would be appreciated.
>
> The interior is being done by a guy nearbuy who is copying the original
> design.  Gray
> tweed, with light and dark gray naugahide.
>
> THIRD QUESTION - I bought all new sheet-metal screws for the engine
> compartment, but
> don't know where to get nice looking chromed or polishe screws/fasteners
> for all of the
> new lenses and the interior molding.  Any ideas.
>
> OPINIONS ON THIS WELCOME - I am now also trying to decide on what to do
> about the wheels
> and tires.  Having a lot of trouble trouble with this.  Have the
> original small hubcaps
> with the white Olds workd insignia.  Three are good and one has a small
> dent.  This could
> like nice with a chrome rign treatment.  Will install radials, but want
> tires that can
> handle the engine, so I assume white walls are out, but not sure if I
> want them or not
> anyway.  Wanted to visit Lansing in hopes of having a lot of examples to
> use for ideas,
> but work committments ruled that out.
>
> Have also considered smoothie chromed rims with the round hubcaps for a
> mile street rod
> treatment.
>
> Anyway, it will take a few weeks to put all the stuff back on and then
> hit the road for
> the first time.
>
> When it's done I will get pictures to Bryceman for his Web site.  Have
> take lots of them,
> so will pick some of best and let him decide what he has room for.
>
> Hope this was too long.  Don't know what the etiquete is for this group.
>
> Gary Andresen
> Pleasanton, CA
> gandresen@ibm.net (home)
> gandresen@altigen.net (work)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:00:30 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: '55 Close to Ready (Long, but not if you like 50's cars)

Forget this.  The car has single stage exhaust, (Sound great)
and yes, cut-outs.

Another question.

Any suggestions on seatbelts for this?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:23:00 -0700
From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Subject: Re: Good Olds Karma + 78's

I had promised grandma and the road warriors that we would make a trip
to visit her in Virginia. This was the same week as "Lansing", and
although tempting, and although I've been accused of treating my cars
better than humans, I do draw the line at family, so we headed South.

Well, the first good thing my 78-98 diesel did was jump from 25 mpg
highway to 30 mpg highway! I guess after 25,000 miles the engine broke
in! The backseat drivers kept laughing and telling me the fuel gauge was
broken-they almost comvinced me, until I topped off the tank.

Did 30 mpg on the return trip too. 540 miles round trip NY/Va.

The second good thing; I wanted to go j-yard hopping in some new
territory and mom said go go go. But my sisters told me mom wanted to
get the basement cleaned up a bit. So I did the basement junk instead.

During the cleanup I kept eyeing what looked like one of those Betty
Crocker Cook Books (red & white checkerbaord cover)-finally I yanked it
out of the stack. It turned out to be a pristine 1978 Fisher Body
Manual. Red and white triangle checker cover.

Later on we got lost riding around. We turned down a road to get
directions and wound up across the street from Jim Stohlman Olds where
the 98 was sold from. Guess the 98 wanted to visit too.

That's some good Olds karma.

Next time I pick lottery numbers I'm going to do it in the front seat of
the 98.

Of course, any 78 owners who need some info out of the body book, you
know how to reach me.

Kevin O'Brien
78-98 Diesel

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:57:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Update on my car.....  the new motor...

Well, I finally decided to go ahead and do it.  What you ask?  Well, the 455
motor I recently found was a little too tempting for me to pass up.  I still
have the 350 "project" motor (for sale still, of course...), but I started
thinking about the fact that I have always had plans to find a 455 (or 425)
motor to put into my '81 Cutlass, and figured "what the hell" and went today
and bought it.  I'll pick it up in two weeks, then start rebuilding it.  The
motor is currently in a 1970 Cutlass "S" shell (more details on that car
later....), but the motor was out of a full size car.  It was originally a 2
bbl. engine, but it currently has a 4 bbl. on it.  upposedly the motor has
60-90K on it, and compression was running in the 145-160 range.

The car had been sitting for some time, but starts fairly easy, and once
idling at normal RPM, it has about 25 psi of oil pressure.  It looks like it
has smallblock exhaust on it, that have been capped, and made into duals.  It
should make a nice little "change" for my car, now I've just gotta get a
different rear-end (have already located one, just gotta go lay out the
cash).

Since I have other items I'm looking to get for it, I'll build enough of the
motor, with minimal cash outlay, and that will allow me to make changes
later.  I'll put in new rings, bearings, and gaskets, and possibly change the
cam and lifers then also.  I'll r-use the whole top end, which will be an
easy swap later down the line when I want to finish the top end with a valve
job, and an intake manifold.  As for now, the motor doesn't blow smoke, etc,
and runs nice, so I'll be fine putting off the top end job for now.  I'm even
thinking the range in the compression test may "even out" if it were to be
run for a bit (sticking rings) but I'm not going to do that, I'll just cough
up for the rings, and be happy.... with what will be like a new car.....

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:16:25 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Update on my car.....  the new motor...

Good luck on the 455 project Chris.

Gary Andresen
'55 Olds with 455

Gary CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>
> Well, I finally decided to go ahead and do it.  What you ask?  Well, the 455
> motor I recently found was a little too tempting for me to pass up.  I still
> have the 350 "project" motor (for sale still, of course...), but I started
> thinking about the fact that I have always had plans to find a 455 (or 425)
> motor to put into my '81 Cutlass, and figured "what the hell" and went today
> and bought it.  I'll pick it up in two weeks, then start rebuilding it.  The
> motor is currently in a 1970 Cutlass "S" shell (more details on that car
> later....), but the motor was out of a full size car.  It was originally a 2
> bbl. engine, but it currently has a 4 bbl. on it.  upposedly the motor has
> 60-90K on it, and compression was running in the 145-160 range.
>
> The car had been sitting for some time, but starts fairly easy, and once
> idling at normal RPM, it has about 25 psi of oil pressure.  It looks like it
> has smallblock exhaust on it, that have been capped, and made into duals.  It
> should make a nice little "change" for my car, now I've just gotta get a
> different rear-end (have already located one, just gotta go lay out the
> cash).
>
> Since I have other items I'm looking to get for it, I'll build enough of the
> motor, with minimal cash outlay, and that will allow me to make changes
> later.  I'll put in new rings, bearings, and gaskets, and possibly change the
> cam and lifers then also.  I'll r-use the whole top end, which will be an
> easy swap later down the line when I want to finish the top end with a valve
> job, and an intake manifold.  As for now, the motor doesn't blow smoke, etc,
> and runs nice, so I'll be fine putting off the top end job for now.  I'm even
> thinking the range in the compression test may "even out" if it were to be
> run for a bit (sticking rings) but I'm not going to do that, I'll just cough
> up for the rings, and be happy.... with what will be like a new car.....
>
> Chris Ruper

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 17:45:47 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Spline ª's

I need to know what the spline ª is on a '70 442 rear end.  It is a 12
bolt cover with the 10 bolt ring gear.
Thanks
Brad

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 21:19:26 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:

> Paul,
>
> You bought an _Olds_ tie at the Henry _Ford_ museum?
>
> Dan

Yeah,

They even had Chevrolet ties!!!!  (Would they be Bowtie non-bowtie
ties?)

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 21:23:36 -0500
From: Charles Lundin <cblundin@flash.net>
Subject: Rare Cutlass TRW 5 Speed V-8 Factory

Rare 1977 Cutlass. Olds made only 20. 260 V8 TRW 5-speed/OD, ltd slip,
high capacity cooling, radial suspension. Orig window sticker plus both
shop manuals. One owner. Has new door seals and door hinges, 65k tires
are one year old. Recent complete new upholstry, recent complete brake
overhaul, recent a/c conversion to 134a, recent new windshield ( old one
was worn ). Original radio with 8-track in storage, replaced with new
Kenwood cassette stereo. Got 20mph Hiway drive from Dallas to Little
Rock in December 1997. Available to a good home.

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