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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 29 1997       Volume 01 : Number 825



Remove
Re: DEAD Battery!
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: delta 88s II
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
probelm with 1998 OCA event
Re: More Lansing Pics!
Re: New addition to driveway
73 Carb
Re: Springfield '98
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
71-72 Cutlass Convert-Price?
Repair of O.A.I. Hoods
Re: cowl tag and vin info
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: Fw: bleeder kit
Re: 87 olds cutless siera
Re: 87 olds cutless siera
[Event] Olds Club Cruise Nite - 9/13 (Maryland)
Re: probelm with 1998 OCA event
Re: 442 newbie question
Re: 442 newbie question
Re: 442 newbie question
Re: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods
Re: cowl tag and vin info
Re: Julian Show
RE: Build Sheets
Re:Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2
Lansing Pics updated
Re:Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2
Re: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2
Re: [Toro] hot steering column
Re: DEAD Battery!
Re: 73 Carb
Re: Lansing Pics updated
Re: 73 Carb
Back from Lansing and sightings.
Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible
Back from Lansing and sightings.
Replacing resistor wires
Things Olds would rather forget
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Wheels, engines and paint.
Re: '82 out of gas
DEAD Battery!
Re: 73 Carb
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: DEAD Battery!
Re: What did you buy in Lansing?
Re: 87 olds cutless siera
Re: 442 newbie question
Re: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods
Re: cowl tag and vin info
ADMIN:  More trivial suggestions?
Re: Springfield '98
Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts
RE: delta 88s II
Re:'82 0ut 0' Gas + 78-88 & 98 Tank Info

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:55:04 -0700
From: Robert and Susie Colombo <rcolombo@sonic.net>
Subject: Remove

No time to play. But please let me know how to return when the kids have
grown a little.     Thanks in advance

Rob's 71 442

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:59:50 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: DEAD Battery!

Be real careful with the alt. I had the same problem and had the alt
checked and it was still it! disconnect the red wire going to the alt
and see if that makes the light go out

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:15:23
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

At 08:32 PM 8/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
>A few folks have already posted the treasures they found at the swap
>meet in Lansing.  What about the rest of you?

At the swap meet, I bought, in no particular order:

underhood pad from Fusick with clips (about $35 with the clips)
set of four wire wheel covers (used but good, $80 for the set)
trunk lock cover emblem, NOS ($20)
nose emblem (between the grilles), used, needs touching up ($15)
"Oldsmobile" grille script, NOS ($10, from a guy who said he really
specializes in Pontiac parts but was at this event to sell off his Olds stuff)
OCA judging manual (revised edition, $4)
nifty Oldsmobile tie ($20, but what the hell)
OCA license plate frame ($10)


At the auction, I bought

Oldsmobile showroom flag
two sets of unused, still in the wrapper, Oldsmobile playing cards (a
bridge set with the "Oldsmobile" script on the back)

Paid $35 for the above two items at the "silent" auction.
The flag is neat, about 4' x 4' with the big rocket emblem and the word
OLDSMOBILE all in red on a white background. It will hang in my garage.
The cards will stay unopened (this bothers my children, who think I should
open them up and play card games with them.  Perish the thought!)


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 23:36:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: World87058@aol.com
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

Hey Brad I agree.

I kind am new to this club here. But my dad gave me a 1972 Olds Delta 88
Covn. with the Baby 350 Rocket (heh heh yea right). I'm olny 17 and now i
have no licence. That car got more stares and attetion that i'm restoreing
that great car so when I get a second chance i will Curise this car instead
of race it. By the way the ticket was 67 in a 30 zone. (kind of got away from
me?) I love OLDs now I just bought another a 1967 Olds 98 4 door hardtop
Pretty Yep. Only 64,000 miles on it too.  Sorry just thought i'd share Love
your club.


Brian Weidel
Loveland Co

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:41:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

In a message dated 97-08-29 00:30:47 EDT, you write:

<< t 08:32 PM 8/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
 >A few folks have already posted the treasures they found at the swap
 >meet in Lansing.  What about the rest of you?

 At the swap meet, I bought, in no particular order:

 underhood pad from Fusick with clips (about $35 with the clips)
 set of four wire wheel covers (used but good, $80 for the set)
 trunk lock cover emblem, NOS ($20)
 nose emblem (between the grilles), used, needs touching up ($15)
 "Oldsmobile" grille script, NOS ($10, from a guy who said he really
 specializes in Pontiac parts but was at this event to sell off his Olds
stuff)
 OCA judging manual (revised edition, $4)
 nifty Oldsmobile tie ($20, but what the hell)
 OCA license plate frame ($10) >>

I bought a NOS two piece hood lock for 80.00
I bought two complete NOS overhaul gasket kits 20.00 each
NOS hood lamp for 15.00
72 Oldsmobile Engineering Report for 15.00
one 15 x 7 bolt on cap rim for 20.00
and of course Alpha One stuff like the Aurora GT-1 race car for 18.00
and a old style rocket bandana for 1.00
and Racing Champions 69 442 W-30 gold color diecast for 7.00
and of course thanks to Todd Morris for the 4 speed shifter that fits a
console with
all three rods and levers for 55.00

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 and another
72 442 W-30 in process of restoration
both are "X" cars

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 00:45:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: probelm with 1998 OCA event

I forsee only one problem with the 98 OCA event.  This problem is that it
falls on the same weekend as the MONEDELLO OLDS NATIONALS AT NORWALK RACEWAY
IN NORWALK OHIO.  Its a bummer, but I have to chose racing over a big car
show. Mondello has a car show also, but racing is my mainstay.  all well,
maybe Joe will change the date.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30  12.47's @ 108.23 mph,
hopefully will be in 12.30's in two weeks

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:28:10 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: More Lansing Pics!

Yes, I've seen several 80's Cutlass's with them driving around town.  Saw
one in a junkyard once too.

Charley Buehner wrote:

> Question:  The "87.gif" shot shows a sweet (like I ~need~ to say
> ~that~!) 87 doing a burnout etc....    Anyone notice the bumps that
> appear to be on the front fender?  Did any of these ever come with the
> fiber-optic signal monitors up there?  Or am I seeing something else

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:41:29 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: New addition to driveway

Nice! Can't wait to see the pictures of your '65 VC. Let us know when
the pics are up.

Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands
'64 F-85 Cutlass Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 01:55:39 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 73 Carb

I found a 73 carb which I think is four speed but would like to asked the
list mambers
All books I have are for 68 - 72

The carb No. is 7043256

I also picked one up with number
17057257
any H*lp appreciated

Oh  ....  If you wounder where I picked them up.  They were at a flea
market and I got both for $20.00

Robert Schinkel
1970 W - 31
1970 442 Conv.
1970 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:59:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Springfield '98

Sparky,

I posted all the information last week, including the phone numbers, contacts
etc..
I guess you did not get it.
I'll post it again when I get home from work this evening

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
     71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:00:58 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

At 12:41 AM 8/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-08-29 00:30:47 EDT, you write:
>
><< t 08:32 PM 8/28/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >A few folks have already posted the treasures they found at the swap
> >meet in Lansing.  What about the rest of you?
>
> At the swap meet, I bought, in no particular order:

66-67 Chambered Exhaust system (complete)  $500.00
70 Front Turn Signal Lens NOS (pr) $40.00
67 Lighter Assembly NOS $2.00
W-30 Stick cam New (328 duration)  $40.00
W-31 Forged Piston Set 8 STD. (TRW)  $85.00
2Q67 Date Coded Plug Wire Set (repro)  $25.00
67 Outside Mirror NOS  $65.00
67 Washer Fluid Bottle (repro) $30.00
Alpha One Racing Aurora $18.00
LH Vent Window Arm NOS  $7.00
(2) Olds Hemi T-shirts  $12.00 ea
66-67 Ram Air Tubes (correct ones) $59.00
69-72 Rear Wing NOS  $175.00

Could not find a complete UHV system for the W-30 though.

Jim Chermack
67 W-30 Track Pack
67 Cutlass Supreme
66 442 F-85 Post Coupe
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442 (350)

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:04:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: 71-72 Cutlass Convert-Price?

The subject says it all... whats it worth?  Thanks for your valuable advice.

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 09:31:59 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods

     My 70 W-30 has the usual nose damage on the O.A.I. hood (no, this is
     not a new accident, it's been there for a while).  Given the price of
     a replacement, I'd obviously like to repair this.  I do, however, want
     it to look good.  The repairs to the fiberglass are easy, as I've done
     a fair amount of 'glass work in my time.  (Hey, I'm originally from
     Taxachusetts, so fiberglass repair of rust is mandatory on one's first
     car :-))

     My question concerns the repair of the metal inner panel, which has
     unfortunately also been damaged.  Has anyone here successfully
     separated the metal panel from the 'glass panel?  They appear to be
     bonded together with some sort of adhesive in a limited number of
     spots.  Any suggestions on the proper separation technique to minimize
     collateral damage?  I definitely want to separate the two, as the
     damage to the metal requires significant hammer and dolly work.  This
     will also let me sandblast and paint the metal support prior to
     reassembly.

     In the event that I am not able to satisfactorily repair the metal
     panel, has anyone replaced this with one from a metal hood?  Are the
     two actually the same (it appears that they are)?

     Thanks in advance for any help.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:47:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: cowl tag and vin info

>     I read the thread from Joe Padavano on the unusual 442 with interest. He
> mentioned that there was conversation a while back about 68-69 442's with 
cowl
> tags reading 336 (Cutlass V-8) while the VIN reads 344 (442).   I have been
> looking for a 68-69 442 for the past 5 months.  Any of the 442's I was
> interested in fit this description.  At first, I thought I ran across a few
fake > 442's.  But, now I am concerned I am passing up legitimate cars with the
idea > they are not correct.   Can someone tell me what the story is here ?
None of > the Olds ID books I own mention this. I did not find mention on the
Olds FAQ > either.   You can e-mail me privately or post to List for all. >
TIA > > Don Pecha > Lincoln, NE. > e-mail Dpecha1@unl.edu > former '74 H/O W-30
owner.


Hi Don!

I missed Joe's message about these VIN/cowl tag inconsistencies, but I know
a guy in my local Olds club that has a 68 442 with a similar setup.  He is
the original owner of the car and he says it was delivered that way.  He
thinks they ran out of bodies that were tagged as 442's, and so they
started using Cutlass bodies to fill the demand.

It would make sense to me, then, that this would have occurred late in the
run of 68 442's.  Isn't there a three digit number somewhere on the car
that indicates the day of the year (out of 365) that the car (or part) was
built?  Also, aren't there some codes on parts/systems that identify the
month/week that the part was built/installed?  If so, then you could try to
use that to determine if the car was fake.  First look up these numbers,
and then decide if they seem to be from the beginning of the model run, or
near the end.  Does that make sense?  If the cowl tag has 336 instead of
344, then you'd expect it to be a late-68 442.  At least, that's my theory.

Comments, anyone?
- --
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew Senko
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:51:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

Well, strapped for cash as I was, I probably get the award for spending
the LEAST amount of money!

Real cool chrome open element breather that original style
Oldsmobile stickers fit on ... used -- $5.00
Ram Rod 350 ('69 W-31) sticker for said breather :-) -- $5.00
Accompanying radiator sticker -- $3.00
J-2 Rocket sticker for friend -- $5.00
Olds Coke bottle for friend -- $2.00
cool Olds shield pin -- $2.00 or $3.00
oil sending unit for 350 -- $2.00
Lansing Sunday paper w/ all the cool pics. -- $1.50
LOTSA FILM -- apx. $12.00

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

PS... I made the Lansing trip with just $200 and had $5 left when I got
home!!!!

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:02:35 -0300
From: Al Atlas <ala@cruzio.com>
Subject: Re: Fw: bleeder kit

At 07:54 AM 8/28/97 -0000, you wrote:
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lloyd W. Culp <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
>To: @ComCAT.COM <@ComCAT.COM>
>Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:52 AM
>Subject: Re: bleeder kit
>
>
>
>>Patton,
>>
>>Thank you for the information.  The part number will be useful too.  i have
>>a couple of convertibles that need some attention & you never know when the
>>others will also.
>>
>>Speaking of GSP II, I worked for years w/a counsellor who was married to an
>>Army officer who served w/GSPII.  Several times she described some of the
>>antics of this famous general.  He must have been a little like his father.
>>
>>An uncle of mine served w/GSP senior in Europe.  He liked him very much &
>>talks about him yet.  These two were certainly colorful creatures.
>>
>>Bill Culp
>>Decatur, Alabama
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bill,
>>> Contact Ames Performance Engineering. They have a web site.
>>>I left the !@ª$ catalog at my brothers house. Will get you the part number
>>>tomorrow. It consists of a plug for the top motor with a steel tube. A
>>>section
>>>of hose then runs from the tube to a jar of fluid BELOW the level of the
>>>pump.
>>>I was able to just lay it in the trunk of my 67'. You then fill the jar
>>>with fluid and
>>>run the top up and down. When it calls for fluid it draws it from the jar.
>>>Spartan
>>>and clumsy but it works.
>>>
>>> Talk to you later,
>>> The General
>>> (mark guiles  Phila.)
>>>
>>>PS   A high school teacher gave me the name I use. He served under GSP Jr.
>>>in the third army if France.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>.-UNSUBSCIBE OLDSMOBILE!
>
>

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:03:07 -0300
From: Al Atlas <ala@cruzio.com>
Subject: Re: 87 olds cutless siera

At 04:51 PM 8/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I am not too familiar with your type of car, but one source of stalling at
>>lights could be that the lockup torque converter does not disengage and
>>causes the engine to stall.  It would be like if you had a stick shift car
>>and forgot to clutch as you are comming to a stop.
>
>I thought of that, too, but figured it would be more useful to get
>the error codes out first, plus if the TCC was stalling it at every
>single light, I'd have expected Al to have had it into the shop long
>before now...
>
>>As for the service engine soon light, is that the oil pressure light
>>or is that an indication that something is wrong with the computer?
>
>It's an indication that the computer has detected something wrong
>with the car, such as a sensor going out of range or not responding.
>I've sent Al email already with instructions on how to get the error
>codes out for troubleshooting.
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>.-
>
>  Hi Andrew,
   Thanks !
   How do I unsubscribe to Oldsmobile? Am receiving 50 mails a day from Olds.
   club?
   Sincerely, Al

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:03:15 -0300
From: Al Atlas <ala@cruzio.com>
Subject: Re: 87 olds cutless siera

At 02:26 PM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>At 09:01 PM 8/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>>Hi,
>>My lovely car stalls at lights etc.
>>I have already replaced plugs, wires, filters. Light says: Service
>>engine soon.
>>I would really appreciate any help!
>>Sincerely, Al
>>
>Al,
>
>I am not too familiar with your type of car, but one source of stalling at
>lights could be that the lockup torque converter does not disengage and
>causes the engine to stall.  It would be like if you had a stick shift car
>and forgot to clutch as you are comming to a stop.
>
>As for the service engine soon light, is that the oil pressure light or is
>that an indication that something is wrong with the computer?  Check your
>owners manual on what that light means, I wouldn't ignore it without
>knowing what it is trying to tell you.
>
>Erik Nowacki
>San Diego
>72 Vista Cruiser
>.-
>
>  Thanks Erik,
   How do I unsubscribe to Olds club...getting 50 messages a day!
   Sincerely, Al

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 08:17:21 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: [Event] Olds Club Cruise Nite - 9/13 (Maryland)

Saturday September 13, 1997
- ---------------------------
1st ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CLUB CRUISE NITE.
Hosted by the Oldsmobile Centennial Club, newest chapter of OCA.
At The Big M Restaurant/Drive-In Theater, P.O. Box 111, Rt. 22,
Churchville, MD (Between Bel Air & Aberdeen, MD. 5 miles west of I-95) All
years and condition Oldsmobiles welcome, daily drivers to show trailer
queens. Free goodie bag to first 50 Oldsmobile through the gate. Open to
the public. Other vehicles welcome to cruise on in. Music, fun and games,
50/50 drawing. Shaded picnic tables and good old fashion drive-in food
available. Across the street is miniature golf course, batting cages, video
games, driving range and a soft ice cream cone joint.  Definitely a family
kind of place.

Info:
Brad Nicholson @ (410) 256-0381   e-mail: brad442@erols.com
Club Web Link at http://www.erols.com/brad442/occ
The Big M @ (410) 734-4370.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------------
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club, Newest Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com Personal Web Page -
http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ OCA Web Page -
http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 08:00:43 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: probelm with 1998 OCA event

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:

> I forsee only one problem with the 98 OCA event.  This problem is that it
> falls on the same weekend as the MONEDELLO OLDS NATIONALS AT NORWALK RACEWAY
> IN NORWALK OHIO.  Its a bummer, but I have to chose racing over a big car
> show. Mondello has a car show also, but racing is my mainstay.  all well,
> maybe Joe will change the date.

Since Joe Mondello is in So. California, why doesn't he sponser
nationals here
in So. California?

I know I am on a soapbox! :-)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:34:03 +0100
From: Mary Hamilton <quicksil@agt.net>
Subject: Re: 442 newbie question

Mary Hamilton wrote:
>
Someone tell me what the 442 moniker means.  It was my understanding
that factory 442's had a four barrel, four speed manual, and two doors,
Is this true?  Were there 442's that came with automatic transmisions??

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:18:52 -0600 (MDT)
From: Robert Sanders <rsanders@holly.ColoState.EDU>
Subject: Re: 442 newbie question

On Fri, 29 Aug 1997, Mary Hamilton wrote:

> Mary Hamilton wrote:
> >
> Someone tell me what the 442 moniker means.  It was my understanding
> that factory 442's had a four barrel, four speed manual, and two doors,
> Is this true?  Were there 442's that came with automatic transmisions??
>
four barrel, four speed and DUAL EXHAUST is the common street term.

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:23:23 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 442 newbie question

At 09:34 AM 8/29/97 +0100, you wrote:
>Mary Hamilton wrote:
>>
>Someone tell me what the 442 moniker means.  It was my understanding
>that factory 442's had a four barrel, four speed manual, and two doors,
>Is this true?  Were there 442's that came with automatic transmisions??

When the 442 was introduced in 1964, it stood for 4-barrel carb, 4-speed
transmission, dual-exhaust.

After '64, when the 400 cubic-inch-engine was introduced, substitute
400-cube engine for the 4-speed transmission.

Later, when other engine options were available, 442 stopped standing for
anything specific and just became the designation of the performance
Oldsmobile.

For 1980s versions of the 4-4-2, it was said (rather derisively) to stand
for 4 cylinders, 4-wheels, and 2-doors.  :)


Dan


*********************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
*********************************************
see my "scrapbook" of photos from the recent Oldsmobile
Centennial held in Lansing, Michigan at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:16:30 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods

>      In the event that I am not able to satisfactorily repair the metal
>      panel, has anyone replaced this with one from a metal hood?  Are the
>      two actually the same (it appears that they are)?


Joe, I went and looked at my OAI on my 71, and at an old full-metal hood
from a 71. The bottom framework looks exactly the same.

FWIW,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 13:14:02 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: cowl tag and vin info

> Isn't there a three digit number somewhere on the car
> that indicates the day of the year (out of 365) that the car (or part) was
> built?  Also, aren't there some codes on parts/systems that identify the
> month/week that the part was built/installed?

Yes, this thread was beaten severely.  It seemed that it didn't really
matter WHEN the car was built whether it was a Cutlass or 442 body tag.
The important thing is the VIN.  There may be some validation in the
fact that the last 6 on the body tag most likely will be close to the
VIN last 6, and also that the build code on the body tag will be at the
bottom, such as 04D or 02A, signifying the month and week the car body
was scheduled for production.  My 69, for instance, has a code of 03D,
and WAS built in the fourth week of March, and has a Cutlass body tag,
but I have documentation that it is not a fake.  Some build codes also
ended up on some of the parts, but they could have been made up to 6
months before they were actually installed.  The worrysome part, if you
care about those things, is a buid code on a part AFTER the body tag
code.  This most likely means the part was a replacement.

If you are really concerned about what to look for in a fake 69 442,
e-mail me privately and I'll give you some not so obvious things to look
for.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 10:26:30 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Julian Show

>Look forward to having you - right now I'm just planning on taking the
>Delta - she loooooves those long freeway hauls.

No cruiser?  BTW, there was a picture of a Hurst Olds VC pacecar/medical
vehicle on Bill Gochenour's Lansing picture page (thanks Bill).  I
downloaded the picture and can send it to you if you are interested.
>
>Hope to see you there.  Erick - hope your heart transplant goes/has gone
>smoothly & you can make it as well.
>
I just talked to the machine shop and they are done!  I'll just have to
bring down $1,095.21 and they'll give me the engine.  BTW, that's just for
the machine work and assembly.  I had the heads done at another place and I
got all the parts from PAW, Summit and some local stores.  The total build
cost is somewhere around $2,400.  It will be a while before my financial
expert allows me to spend another dime on the old VC.

I will start the heart transplant tonight and hopefully I will have the new
engine bolted in by Saturday and running by Sunday.  I will be in Julian
next Saturday, hopefully in the VC.

I will give a full report on the heart transplant on Tuesday.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: Build Sheets

Thanks to all for your assistance in finding and identifying the build sheet
for my 1991 W-41!  I guess, after reading digest ª820(which I just got today
8/29/97),  I will quit fretting about finding the build sheet and take
comfort in the fact that I do have my sticker inside the trunk as well a tag
which is riveted, to what I would call the radiator support on the passenger
side when you open the hood. Both of these have the W-41 and LGO codes on
them.  The tag in the engine compartment is painted over with the same color
as the car.  My sticker is not stuck to the decklid, it is however stuck to
the spare tire cover, which is a piece of cardboard basically, under the
carpet in the trunk and the VINs do match.

Once again, thanks to all for you advice and hints!

Cecil Smalley
1991 W-41
OCA ª29604

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:17:19 -0400
From: Peter Small <104323.165@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re:Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2

I am about to re-paint all of my SSII wheels on my '69 4-4-2 and am looking

for the correct silver metallic color to paint them.  All of the silver
metallic paints that I have seen are not dark enough.  Has anyone done
this?
 Where did you find the correct color paint and one that is highly durable?

Jeff:

I know what you are going through.  I had gotten the correct code from a
paint supplier and when I told my body guy about it he told me not to waste
my time. So, after a few tries of  mixing Bu*ck Riveria Grey metalic and
F*rd Silver metalic we got a nice color....also note that the paint
supplier
was only offering the code mix  in a laquer paint ...this was not as
durable
as the urethane that we mixed.

==============================================
Peter Small

'72 442 Conv,             '71 W30/M22,
'68 427 Vette conv   '71 Supreme [driveway rat]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:22:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Lansing Pics updated

I have updated my site that contains the pictures from Lansing.  It now has
an HTML page with links and descriptions of the pictures.  I have added
JPEG versions of the pictures which are the same size picture as the GIF's,
but in smaller files for faster download.

I have also added links to the other people's sites that contain Centennial
coverage (pictures/stories).

Again the URL is   http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds/lansing

Enjoy!
 --                                                              _
                               1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
Drew Senko                     Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:30:29 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re:Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2

>So, after a few tries of  mixing Bu*ck Riveria Grey metalic and
>F*rd Silver metalic we got a nice color...

This may be a little too Ford-centric, but the name of their paint
color used for silverish-like color on wheels, etc. is Argent. If
you were busily mixing other shades to match that, you could try
asking around for Argent instead. Just my $.02...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 12:34:38 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2

Was the SSII rims (for 68 say) really gray metallic?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:08:13 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: [Toro] hot steering column

Gang,

Thanks for all the theories on the hot column situation.

I believe I will go the heat wrap route for starters.

The exhaust is where it normally should be although the header pipe is a little
larger than stock, so it may be a bit closer than it should be. When I get up
to the shop tomorrow, I'll look at the Flamer and my Dad's 67 to compare
clearances.

Sparky

- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:44:16 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: DEAD Battery!


> I have a 1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible.  My battery keeps dying after
about
> three or four days of driving it.

It could be that the battery is going bad and can't hold a charge. Try
checking the water level (if its not sealed) and do a load test on it. If
you don't have a load tester you might try calling some parts stores or
auto service centers to find one that will do this for free(usually the
larger chain stores will).

> Also, could someone tell me where I can get a transsmission filter for my
car.
> It has the original tranny in it still.

Any auto parts store should carry it.

>
> Thanks, Jerod S.
>
>

Daren



------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:20:25 -0300
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 73 Carb

I hate to nag but I do need this information on the carbs A.S.A.P

Just need what they are and what the belong to
Especially the 7043256 carb

Thank You
Bob

- ----------
> From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 73 Carb
> Date: Friday, August 29, 1997 1:55 AM
>
> I found a 73 carb which I think is four speed but would like to asked the
> list mambers
> All books I have are for 68 - 72
>
> The carb No. is 7043256
>
> I also picked one up with number
> 17057257
> any H*lp appreciated
>
> Oh  ....  If you wounder where I picked them up.  They were at a flea
> market and I got both for $20.00
>
> Robert Schinkel
> 1970 W - 31
> 1970 442 Conv.
> 1970 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:24:01 -0700
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Pics updated

Andrew A. Senko wrote:

> I have updated my site that contains the pictures from Lansing. _

Andrew,

Nice job! Thanks for linking my site too. I have another 30 pictures to add to
my site later tonight.

Sparky

- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator                     http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:00:16 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 73 Carb

> I hate to nag but I do need this information on the carbs A.S.A.P
> > The carb No. is 7043256

The book I have says its for a '73 350 Olds

> > I also picked one up with number
> > 17057257

I can't find this ª

> > Robert Schinkel
> > 1970 W - 31
> > 1970 442 Conv.
> > 1970 Cutlass Conv.

Unfortunately the book doesn't go into much detail about the applications.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:54:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Back from Lansing and sightings.

Well, we made it back from Lansing in one piece.  The Olds Club of FL member
that had to abandon his car in Franklin, TN on the way up had _only_ a $500
bill to install an HEI and replace his alternator and voltage regulator by
Walker Olds. He already had all the parts!

It seems a previous owner installed aftermarket gauges and the ammeter wiring
shorted out taking his new Mallory Unilite conversion module as well.  So he
installed the HEI I advised him to in the first place.  Hint, hint to the
Pertronix crowd.  If you want a reliable, easy to fix and find parts for
ignition system, look no further than an Olds HEI.  Mark paid $45 for his at
the Lansing swap meet with 5 secondary wires still attached. (Don't ask what
the dealer charged for 3 new ones.)

FWIW we found the Walker Chev/Olds folks in Franklin, TN to be much less than
interested in the 100th celebration and old Olds'. They _sell_ cars. That's
it folks.

On sightings, we live next to the University of Central Florida campus.  I
saw an absolutely beautiful, rust free 72 Hoilday coupe Cutlass being driven
by a student.  It has Illinois plates and is _rust free_!  Probably an
elderly family member owned it.

The kid is using it to deliver pizza part time. He was driving the spit oit
of it. The last time I saw it the left front fender was cratered and covered
with plastic filler.  Sad.  I don't bother looking it for it any more. It
will be a crusher candidate before that kid graduates, drops out or whatever.
A real shame.

Obvioulsy this kid is not Phi Beta Kappa material. :-)

Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:19:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible

In a message dated 97-08-28 23:25:14 EDT, you write:

<< Subj:Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible
 Date:97-08-28 23:25:14 EDT
 From:ZimbyJr@aol.com
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 If it had the fake hood intakes and a convertible top, I'll bet it was an S
 with replacement door panels.  I did not know ant form of Cutlass or F-85
 came without armrests in 68.
  >>

Was there an "S" on the glovebox? I think thats probably the easiest
way to tell.....TIM

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:27:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Back from Lansing and sightings.

Well, we made it back from Lansing in one piece.  The Olds Club of FL member
that had to abandon his car in Franklin, TN on the way up had _only_ a $500
bill to install an HEI and replace his alternator and voltage regulator by
Walker Olds. It seems a previous owner installed aftermarket gauges and the
ammeter wiring shorted out taking his new Mallory Unilite conversion module
as well.  So he installed the HEI I advised him to in the first place.

Hint, hint to the Pertronix crowd.  If you want a reliable, easy to fix and
find parts for ignition system, look no further than an Olds HEI.  Mark paid
$45 for his with 5 secondary wires still attached. (Don't ask what the dealer
charged for 3 new ones.)

Worried about "stock"? You're already changing the resistor wire system.
After installing the Pertronix system you still have a wimpy (in comparison)
voltage output. Why not keep the stock points distributor to drop in for show
or sale?  If you leave the HEI black cap, cover and wires, most judges won't
even notice.

FWIW we found the Walker Chev/Olds folks much less than interested in the
100th celebration and old Olds'. They _sell_ cars. That's it folks.

On sightings, we live next to the University of Central Florida campus.  I
saw an absolutely beautiful, rust free 72 Hoilday coupe Cutlass being driven
by a student.  It has Illinois plates and is _rust free_!  Probably an
elderly family member owned it.

The kid is using it to deliver pizza part time.  The last time I saw it the
left front fender was cratered and covered with plastic filler.  Sad.  I
don't bother looking it for it any more. It will be a crusher candidate
before that kid graduates, drops out or whatever. A real shame.


Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:27:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Replacing resistor wires

<<>I would replace it. The resistor wire/bock is used to reduce the
>voltage to the points, to help prolong there life. You would want the
>full voltage to the Pertonix unit.

>Bobby
>70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
>

These were my thoughts exactly. Was hoping some of you would increase my
confidence about yanking the old wire. Thanks.

roger>>

The same change is needed to install the better HEI.  The best way to do the
wire elimination thing is to get another engine compartment wiring harness
and use one of those wires.

Pop the resistor wire from the body connector, insert an non resistance wire
from the other harness and run to the distributor. That way the original
harness is left intact and the installation can be reversed easily.

I hope if'when the Pertronix fails your close to a dealer. 'Cause if you have
to run the points set I hope you'll carry with you just in case, the full 12V
will fry them pretty quickly.

You can get HEI parts most _anywhere_.  Long live the HEI.

Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:27:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Things Olds would rather forget

<<As I said, I'd
imagine there are a few Olds's that Olds would rather forget they ever
made.  >>

Interestingly, for the Centennial Olds prepared a list of advertising slogans
over the years.

"It's Not Your Father's Oldsmobile" was not among them.

I guess they didn't want to experience the anger of several thousand
"fathers" at the celebration.

Wise move.

Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:28:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

<<when changing tranny fluid make sure that the tranny is at normal operating
teperature.  by doing this the fluid tends to run into the drain pan and not
stick to parts.   the oil light should come on and then go off.  once the
engine runs the oil is pumped throughout the engine.  the reason for the
delay is that the oil pressure sending unit is located at the opposite end of
the engine away from the pump.

mike>>

I've been on the road to and from Lansing and missed a lot.  But am I missing
something in this discussion?

Why would a trans fluid change have anything to do with engine oil pressure??

Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Wheels, engines and paint.

<< Being that it is
engine
paint, it should be more durable than regular paint.>>

Actually, engine paint is usually not really different than other automotive
paints.  Consider the temperature a dark colored car paint reaches in places
like Texas, Florida, Arizona, etc.  Ever seen the "it's was so hot today our
intrepid reporter for WFOOL fried an egg on his car this afternoon!" TV or
newspaper spot?

Properly prepared (read CLEAN), an engine can be painted most any color and
last quite well.  Some of the newer space-age paints can even stand exhaust
port temps - or so the magazines claim.

Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:35:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: '82 out of gas

In a message dated 97-08-29 07:25:53 EDT, you write:
<<  It is annoying:
 When my car (82 DRB) is approximately 1/2 full of gas in the tank my
 "Low Fuel" light comes on.  It is activated when I take a turn too
 sharply.  Can't figure it out.  I know I have plenty of gas
 Any thoughts.
 Chris Sparks
  >>

Keep it full and don't turn too sharply.....;-)....(guy goes to his doctor
and says,
"doc it hurts when I do this....can ya help me....so the doc says
"sure...don't
do that!!!"......;-)...TIM

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:39:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: DEAD Battery!

<<I have a 1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible.  My battery keeps dying after about

three or four days of driving it.  I connected my test light between the
battery
post and the cable to see if anything was pulling electricity while the car
was
off.  Sure enough it lit up.  I proceeded to pull out the fuses one by one to

see if the light would go out due to a short somewhere past the fuse box.  Of

course, the light didn't go out.  What else could be pulling on the battery
that
doesn't go through the fuse box?  I had the alternator tested today and it
checked out o.k.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Also, could someone tell me where I can get a transsmission filter for my
car.
It has the original tranny in it still.

Thanks, Jerod S.>>

Oooh, ooooh, ask me! I think I may know. :-)

Having just experienced the exact same symptoms with my 67 Cutlass 442, try
this.

The reason none of the pulled fuses showed the problem is because it exists
on the other side of the fuse block, i.e. the engine compartment.  My battery
was being drained by a short in the wiring to/from the voltage regulator.
 Check your alternator after the car has cooled.  If it warm (mine was) the
regulator is telling the alternator it needs to charge the battery but since
it isn't turning, no current is being generated.

Disconnecting the voltage regulator caused the drain to stop.  I haven't
found the short yet.  I took the lazy approach until I pull the engine.  At
that time all the wiring will be neatened up and I'll detail the compartment
as well.  To the solve the problem I bought a new chrome single wire
alternator from Jeg's. The kind so popular with the street rod crowd.  With
an internal regulator, one wire, it's an easy swap.  Ain't modern science
great!  And totally bypassed the problem.

This problem was one of the contributing factors to my episode on Michigan
Avenue.  That poor battery had been drained so many times I'm amazed (and it
would have much less embarassing) it didn't die before Lansing.  It's also a
thin blooded Florida battery.  It experienced that 45 degreee overnight cold
and rolled over and died! :-)

So did I almost.  My Yankee blood has sure turned thin.  Give me the 93
degrees and 80% humidity down here. I love it!  Northern winters suck! Hey,
my plastic filler will harden in the middle of December - outdoors.  Will
yours?

Bob (Dead on Michigan Avenue and now internationally embarassed) Handren

OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:15:37 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 73 Carb

Thanks Daren and Laurie

Bob

- ----------
> From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 73 Carb
> Date: Friday, August 29, 1997 6:00 PM
>
> > I hate to nag but I do need this information on the carbs A.S.A.P
> > > The carb No. is 7043256
>
> The book I have says its for a '73 350 Olds
>
> > > I also picked one up with number
> > > 17057257
>
> I can't find this ª
>
> > > Robert Schinkel
> > > 1970 W - 31
> > > 1970 442 Conv.
> > > 1970 Cutlass Conv.
>
> Unfortunately the book doesn't go into much detail about the
applications.
>
> Daren
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:27:47 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:

> nifty Oldsmobile tie ($20, but what the hell)

Ya know, I knew I should have waited...

I bought one of these at the Henry Ford Museum.  Paid $27.50 for mine.
Travelling companions said "Bet someone will be selling these in
Lansing".  "Yeah", I said, "but I bet they'll want a lot more for them".

Got to Lansing and saw your tie lying on the table.  It was the only one
I saw.  Didn't bother to ask how much, 'cause I was afraid I'd have to
buy to hang myself with it!

Good deal!

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:27:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: acg@dlogics.com
Subject: Re: DEAD Battery!

> So did I almost.  My Yankee blood has sure turned thin.  Give me the 93
> degrees and 80% humidity down here. I love it!  Northern winters suck! Hey,
> my plastic filler will harden in the middle of December - outdoors.  Will
> yours?

Of course it will, Bob: It's called "freezing"  :-)

- -- Andy

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:33:48 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: What did you buy in Lansing?

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:

> Could not find a complete UHV system for the W-30 though.

There was a guy there in the upper field that had what he claimed to be
a complete NOS unit.  Had two distributors, two wiring harnesses (and I
think two boxes) and instructions.  He wanted $600 (maybe it was $400).
But I think he was only there one day.  Thought about it briefly to
install it in the  Ninety Eight, but didn't have my parts book to check
the ª on the distributors.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 06:46:21 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 87 olds cutless siera

 A way to discover if the TCC switch is bad is to unplug it  & try the car.
If the car does not stall now, then you have found the problem.  Beware that
it is tempting to unplug the TCC &leave it that way.  If you do, then it
won't lock up at all, will show up in poorer gas mileage, & greatly shorten
the life of the transmission.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>>I am not too familiar with your type of car, but one source of stalling at
>>lights could be that the lockup torque converter does not disengage and
>>causes the engine to stall.  It would be like if you had a stick shift car
>>and forgot to clutch as you are comming to a stop.

>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:59:18 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: 442 newbie question

Dan Gulino wrote:

>For 1980s versions of the 4-4-2, it was said (rather derisively) to stand
>for 4 cylinders, 4-wheels, and 2-doors.  :)

The above was the '90's version - in the '80's it stood for 4-barrel carb,
4-wheels, and 2 doors...:-)

Doug Newman  (Who still has people ask, "You got a 442 ci motor it that 
thing?")
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:00:23 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Repair of O.A.I. Hoods

 Joe,

I have wondered about the truth to that inner support of metal & glass hoods
too.  I am anxiously waiting on some definitive information here.

As to repairs of the glass, it is pretty simple & straightforward as you
suggest.  I recall that my 1973 shop manual discussed repairs to these hoods
& illustrated a 1970-'72 type.  I would look there for some information.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>
>     My question concerns the repair of the metal inner panel, which has
>     unfortunately also been damaged.  Has anyone here successfully
>     separated the metal panel from the 'glass panel?  They appear to be
>     bonded together with some sort of adhesive in a limited number of
>     spots.  Any suggestions on the proper separation technique to minimize
>     collateral damage?  I definitely want to separate the two, as the
>     damage to the metal requires significant hammer and dolly work.  This
>     will also let me sandblast and paint the metal support prior to
>     reassembly.
>
>     In the event that I am not able to satisfactorily repair the metal
>     panel, has anyone replaced this with one from a metal hood?  Are the
>     two actually the same (it appears that they are)?
>
>     Thanks in advance for any help.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:07:08 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: cowl tag and vin info

 I am not sure that the late build is fully defensible.  If Olds were
planning to build x number of 442's & y number of Cutlasses in any given
period & the demand changed you could get the transfer of bodies in either
direction at any time.  This would be particularly so if the demand
fluctuated so that planning was thrown off several times.

Another example of this changing from a one model to another happened to
Chrysler in 1970.  They had produced too many Super Birds for the market.
Many were returned to the factory for reconversion to Plymouth Belvederes.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>
>
>Hi Don!
>
>I missed Joe's message about these VIN/cowl tag inconsistencies, but I know
>a guy in my local Olds club that has a 68 442 with a similar setup.  He is
>the original owner of the car and he says it was delivered that way.  He
>thinks they ran out of bodies that were tagged as 442's, and so they
>started using Cutlass bodies to fill the demand.
>
>It would make sense to me, then, that this would have occurred late in the
>run of 68 442's.  Isn't there a three digit number somewhere on the car
>that indicates the day of the year (out of 365) that the car (or part) was
>built?  Also, aren't there some codes on parts/systems that identify the
>month/week that the part was built/installed?  If so, then you could try to
>use that to determine if the car was fake.  First look up these numbers,
>and then decide if they seem to be from the beginning of the model run, or
>near the end.  Does that make sense?  If the cowl tag has 336 instead of
>344, then you'd expect it to be a late-68 442.  At least, that's my theory.
>
>Comments, anyone?

Drew Senko

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Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 19:05:52 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: ADMIN:  More trivial suggestions?

Some other listservers I've seen add a footer stating what to do to
remove yourself from their list.  Whaddya all think about doing that?
It seems that so many of the posts these days are simply remove requests
(doesn't ~anybody~ read their welcome message?????!) perhaps it would
conserve troubles to add such a message as a listserver signature.  Any
thoughts?


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:59:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Springfield '98

The 1998 Nationals are being held over July 15th thru th 18th, 1998.

The Host OCA Club is ILL. Valley Olds Chapter
Contact Bill &/or Joanne Wagman
816 13th, st.
Rockford,  ILL.  61104
(815) 398-6698

The host hotel if the Crowne Plaza
(217) 529-7777
Alternate Hotel right next door is the Holiday Inne
(217) 529-7171


All of the above is in the Sept. 97 JWO, which I just received.
I have made my reservations a few weeks ago.

I also saw in the JWO that Joe Mondello has a 70 W30 VC, and a 71 442 for
sale.
Both cars combined total $ 87,0000.00..........wow...........

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:58:48 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 442's at Lansing on the Bridge & hot starts

I took some pictures of your car.  It looked really good!  Was that
color combination original?

I put a heat shield on my car, seems to help a little.

The bridge was awesome!!!

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 97 01:25:07 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: delta 88s II

You can add me to the list:

Fred Orcutt: 69

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Bradford W. Nicholson
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 8:45 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: delta 88s II

Here we go. Time for the update of the 88 owners:

        -John Pajak: 65
        -Laura D. Steinke: 66 (Pook the ghost)
        -Walter ?: 66
        -Tom Adams: 66
        -Raul Martinez: 66
        -Lisa Malden: 67
        -Paul Fikaris: 69
        -Graham Stewart: 69 (2)
        -myself: 73
        -Dan Gulino: 75
        -John Shelp: 77
        -Mike Jones: 78
        -Greg Beaulieu: 78
        -David Brown: 79 (?)
        -S.Dave Ward: 78 & 85
        -Igor Todorovic: 81
        -Chris Sparks: 82
        -Steve ?: 85
        -Michael R. Hall: 91
*-Brad Nicholson: 94 LSS   ******
>88 owners are so quiet...Why is it so? Why is it that the majority of the
>posts is about 442, Cutlasses and Toronado?
>Is it because there are not so many modifications to be made on 88 engines?
>Or owners not really interested in making them?
>Different worlds? Muscle cars and pappy's cars? Maybe.
>Or they're still in better condition, don't break so often and don't need
>any repairs?? (just joking)
>
>But it doesn't matter. WE love our 88s!
>And I think Laura really has a ghost car. When I drive my car, people
>around DEFINITELY see me. Just try to back up in a parking lot and the next
>car waiting for  my empty space will show so much respect by stopping SOOOO
>FAR away!!!

I figure I've got the best of both worlds
++ 1987 442 for the weekends
++ 1994 Eighty Eight LSS for the weekly commute (& Lansing w/ the
family)
The LSS drove like a dream in all the rain w/ no-name brand tires on the
front & 70k Eagle GAs on the rear, soon to be replaced all around w/ BF
Goodrichs.  Eighty Eights have usually been the trusty family car, as
was my mother's 74 4 door hardtop was, white, blue vinyl top, blue
interior.  That thing did an honest 120 one night trying to get me home
before curfue, and did it I might add.  It was just a plain jane 350
Rocket w/ 350 Turbo setup. For those unfamiliar & went to Lansing, the
74 Delta 88 pace car convertible was what it looked like.  Passed my
driver's license test in that boat and MAN was there enough room on
those bench seats. ;-)
The LSS is like a baby Aurora and I'll keep it for at least 3 more
years. It currently has 73k (bought used w/ 60k) and knocked down
28-29mpg from Lansing to MD, non-oxygenated fuel probably helped the
performance (more on that subject later).  My LSS was the only one in
lot HH behind the Lansing Center, w/ baby seat base in the back seat.
The rest of the lot were Cutlass' with a Ninety-Eight Touring Sedan & a
1/2 ton GMC extended cab full size pickup done Oldsmobile way!

The Eighty Eights have been the bread & butter of Olds for to long and
it looks as if it will be the next great nameplate to unfortunately be
retired after 98.

Just my sentimental 2 cents
- --

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:29:02 -0700
From: Kevin O'Brien <obrienk@sunynassau.edu>
Subject: Re:'82 0ut 0' Gas + 78-88 & 98 Tank Info

Chris Sparks wrote:
> When my car (82 DRB) is approximately 1/2 full of gas in the tank my
> "Low Fuel" light comes on.  It is activated when I take a turn too
> sharply.  Can't figure it out.  I know I have plenty of gas.
>
> Any thoughts.
>

I don't have a "low fuel" light. But-when my 78 Regency tank is 1/2 full
the gauge needle swings like a pendulum while driving-the lower the fuel
the more the swinging. Annoying.

I had been told there was a baffle in the tank that was probably loose
or missing. I dropped the tank to fix a leak-there was no baffle. Didn't
look like there was supposed to be one.

For the 78-88 & 98 owners, I can't find any difference in the 78 Olds
manual between the gasoline tanks and the diesel tank. Even so, my
references here are to my diesel tank.

Had two pinholes. Dropped the tank. Removed the sender/pick up assembly.
Looked OK. Fixed 2nd pinhole (see below re first pinhole). Filled tank
up 5 gal at a time (except for the last two gallons) and checked the
guage. It's listed as a 27 gal tank and that's all I could stuff in.

Gauge readings:
5 Gal = 1/8  10 Gal = 3/8  15 Gal = 5/8
20 Gal = 7/8  25 Gal = Full (pegged) 27 Gal = Full (pegged)

I'm less nervous about running out of fuel. I keep accurate milage
records and the gauge needle movement (when not sloshing) has matched
the ª's above exactly.

First pinhole was fixed with epoxy-decided to leave the epoxy on even
though I soldered the second pinhole. Neither leaks after 5 months. At
first I couldn't get that epoxy to stick-weather was about 40's.
Threw out the first purchase because it seemed aged-bought next batch at
a wax & polish parts store since I thought it would be fresher-it was.

This stuff still wouldn't stick-desperation brought out a hair
dryer-heated this stuff till it started to look like alien goo. Stuffed
it on the leak-ouch-will use cardboard next time-tried to smear it on
good but it got cold again. Since it stopped the leak I hit it with the
hair dryer again and it really smeared on good. 2nd leak was a weeper
that evaporated before dripping so it waited for the "quality"
repair-solder.

There are some advantages to owning a diesel-I wouldn't do the hair
dryer on a gasoline tank unless it was empty and rinsed -and if it was,
I would solder it!

PLEASE-follow service manual precautions when doing any gas tank
work-and if you can afford it let an experienced shop do the work. There
are many horror stories about mechanics getting seriously burned or
killed from accidents involving gasoline tank work. !!! Procedures must
be followed precisely. (Chris, no offense but, I don't think I would
want you around if I was doing a gas tank job. I'm super superstitious)

Tank looked excellent in and out except for those two pinholes which
looked like they were drilled with a jewelers drill. The pinholes showed
up minutes after I did an undercarriage wash for the umpteenth time and
I attribute them directly to the pressure washer although I don't know
what blew out (rust?: factory repair? :defect???). I still wash the heck
out of the car since it's a daily driver & New York should be called the
"Big Salteen" instead of the Big Apple. But I stay away from the tank
now.

(Crap! Didn't find a build sheet up there!)

Coated all the hardware with anti-seize at reinstallation. Tank bolts
are always tough to get off and always tough to find replacements for.

Kevin O'Brien
78-98

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