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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 9 1997      Volume 01 : Number 894



Computers and trannies.
Re: everyone on the list
Re: Computers and trannies.
RE: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: 66 Olds
Re: Original 1971 manuals for sale
Re: 66 Olds
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: radio install
Re: Computers and trannies.
Long time, no see......
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Re: Computers and trannies.
Happy days are here again!
Re: Re[2]: 455 rocket
Re: 1970 SX engine information
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Exhaust Manifold
Re: power seat question
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Computers and trannies.
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: 1970 SX engine information
Re: power seat question
Handren's and Gillespie's Cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: everyone on the list
[none]
[none]
[none]
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: everyone on the list
Re: everyone on the list
[none]
[none]
[none]
[none]
Re: people on the list
Re: '68 Delmont
Re: list of people and cars
Re: everyone on the list
65 <4|4|2> List  ONLY
Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!
Re: everyone on the list
Re: The List People and their cars
Re: power seat question
Re: everyone on the list
Re: everyone on the list
Re: V8 Converted Volkswagens - Little Olds Content
Re: list of people and cars
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: Updates and questions
Re[2]: 455 rocket
milage
Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?
test test
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
1971 Manuals SOLD!!!
Re: The list people and their cars
Olds & Twins (WAS Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!)
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Seatbelt Suggestions for '55 Olds
Re: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....)
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:51:19 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Computers and trannies.

Greetings, folks.

I have two questions:

1) Is it me, or does the engine seem wimpy after a highway cruise?  Does
the computer lean the mixture if it thinks the car is at a steady speed?
In other words, does it change the mixture increase highway mileage?

2) I don't want to break the transmission, so I haven't done this yet,
but...does a shift kit put more pressure on tranny internals or less?  I
have a 200 3-spd., so I don't want to break the thing, but it does seem
slushy, so I thought a shift kit would crisp it up.  I don't want to crisp
it up if it would drop second gear shifting hard one time.  Also, do the
shift kits really work?  They're only 30 bucks or so...why didn't GM put a
comporable item in to begin with.  (and...) Lastly, how difficult are they
to install.  They must be easier than the O2 sensor I'm TRYING to
replace...long story.

Thanks much, guys.
- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:52:11 -0400
From: "bill" <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

yes,
lewman@mindpulse.com

- ----------
> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: everyone on the list
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 12:33 AM
>
>
> here is a list of everyone on the list:
> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
johnson@edisongroup.com,
>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,  z28cfi@gwis.com,
>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,  jht@exo.com,
>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,  isocon@pi.net,
>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
jadcock@vt.edu,
>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,  mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
r4c442@aol.com,
>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
tlentz@ior.com,
>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
>
> did i leave anyone's name out?

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:00:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: Computers and trannies.

Reply to message from jadcock@vt.edu of Wed, 08 Oct
>
>Greetings, folks.
>
>I have two questions:
>
>1) Is it me, or does the engine seem wimpy after a highway cruise?  Does
>the computer lean the mixture if it thinks the car is at a steady speed?
>In other words, does it change the mixture increase highway mileage?

  Have no clue, sorry..

>2) I don't want to break the transmission, so I haven't done this yet,
>but...does a shift kit put more pressure on tranny internals or less?  I
>have a 200 3-spd., so I don't want to break the thing, but it does seem
>slushy, so I thought a shift kit would crisp it up.  I don't want to crisp
>it up if it would drop second gear shifting hard one time.  Also, do the
>shift kits really work?  They're only 30 bucks or so...why didn't GM put a
>comporable item in to begin with.  (and...) Lastly, how difficult are they
>to install.  They must be easier than the O2 sensor I'm TRYING to
>replace...long story.

  Hmm, it could be heated tranny fluid, how many miles are on the car?
I woulden't put a shift kit in a tranny if it's getting weak, a shift kit
increases the internal pressure quite a bit, i installed one in the th400
in my delta and it worked great for about a day and then it blew out my
seals :(, i'd suggest if you do this, have the seals replaced and add a
cheapie tranny cooler, but they do stiffen up the shifts real nice.
good luck

>Thanks much, guys.
>--
>Jason K. Adcock
>jadcock@vt.edu
>
>

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 18:11:38 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: The list people and their cars

'72 442 350/350

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics
Ontario, Canada

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 01:31:09 +0300
From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

x----------------------------------------------------x
x Anneli & Esko Ilola     mailto:esko.ilola@tele.fi  x
x                          phone:+358 2040 3439      x
x Oldsmobile 98 -64 4DHT  Holiday sports sedan       x
x "Where the action is...."                          x
x----------------------------------------------------x

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:03:23 -0400
From: "clindsay" <clindsay@micron.net>
Subject: Re: 66 Olds

The 330 Olds was the predecesor to the 350.  All 330s are supposed to have,
if memory serves, steel crank and rods.  This is the same as the 425.  The
330 is a good winding motor yet also makes VERY solid bottom end.  A well
built 330 raced against a comparable 350 will have a torque advantage.
[Horsepower sells cars -- Torque wins races!!! :) ]

In the mid sixties the 330 was Oldsmobile's predominant small block.  The
first 442s in 1964 were 330 cars with of course 4-spd/4-barrel/dual
exhaust.

The 330 is a STRONGGGGG!!!!! small block and is very reliable.

Ade and Tom (2 of the Idaho trio)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:58:50 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: Original 1971 manuals for sale

At 06:12 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>My dad attended the fall carisle show and picked me up the following
>manuals which I already have. (he was bummed)  All I want is my money
>back!  Prices are firm and DO NOT included shipping.  E-mail me
>privately if interested.   mrhell@sprynet.com
>
>$33.00 for both or
>
>1971 "Fisher Body" service manual - very good condition$20.
>
>1971 "Fisher Body" folding top service manual B & E bodies  -  very
>   good condition $13.
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>
>RC,

I'll take the manuals if you still have them. I can use them for my 71
convertible. Please give me your address and a total including shipping to
Thomaston, Maine and I'll send you a bank check.

Thanks,
Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 convertible

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:02:45 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 66 Olds

At 04:45 PM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I' ve got a 66 olds cultass with a 330 engine. But I've never read on this
>list site about a 330, is this a bastard motor??
>

Ted

        Nope. It was the V-8 engine option on all Cutlass and F-85's from
64-67. They came in up to 4 different versions. (2) 2 bbl versions and (2)
4bbl versions. They highest horsepower rating was 320 hp in 67. That was the
high compression 4 bbl engine. The low po 2 bbl was rated around 250 hp.
These engines also have the 45 degree lifter bank and small lifters. It's an
oddball in that respect.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:09:41 -0400
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Rich Inacker
Cinnaminson, NJ
66 Olds F-85 (455, 13.3 @ 103 through the exhaust)
87 Buick GN



- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:09:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: radio install

Fred that would be very helpful.  Does it show the wire diagram also

2320 Lochwoode ct
Holt, MI  48842

>
> Doug
> I have a 70 service manual which show the brackets I could xerox that for
> you.
> Fred
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Fred Hellmig (KA3NKK)
> WORK:                           HOME:
> University of Pennsylvania
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> L.R.S.M. Bld. Room 104                Drexel Hill Pa. 19026
> 3231 Walnut Street                    610 449-4080
> Phila. Pa. 19104
> 215-898-7793     FAX ª 215-898-8296
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:18:22 -0400
From: "clindsay" <clindsay@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Computers and trannies.

>1) Is it me, or does the engine seem wimpy after a highway cruise?  Does
>the computer lean the mixture if it thinks the car is at a steady speed?
>In other words, does it change the mixture increase highway mileage?

The computer in your car is designed to monitor and adjust various systems
as the engine is running.  After you have been driving down the highway for
a while the computer adjusts to your driving habits.  The ignition timing
and/or mixture can be varied to produce optimum fuel mileage and/or
performance.  This is why if you borrow someone's car who drives
differently than you do it may seem to run poorly.  The computer adjusts
ignition timing and/or mixture to suit the driver's habits.  It will tend
to advance the timing faster if you tend to have a heavy foot.  This is
also why if you tune a computer controlled car and don't clear the computer
it will more than likely run worse than it did before it was tuned.

>2) I don't want to break the transmission, so I haven't done this yet,
>but...does a shift kit put more pressure on tranny internals or less?  I
>have a 200 3-spd., so I don't want to break the thing, but it does seem
>slushy, so I thought a shift kit would crisp it up.  I don't want to crisp
>it up if it would drop second gear shifting hard one time.  Also, do the
>shift kits really work?  They're only 30 bucks or so...why didn't GM put a
>comporable item in to begin with.  (and...) Lastly, how difficult are they
>to install.  They must be easier than the O2 sensor I'm TRYING to
>replace...long story.

A THM200 is not a performance transmission from a conventional standpoint.
The first thing to do, if it shifts poorly, is to service it.  If this has
been done, in some circumstances, a mild shift kit could work but it is
likely to do more harm than good.  NOTE:  If you are having problems
changing an O2 sensor I would strongly advise AGAINST trying to install a
shift kit which involves dropping the valve body and maybe it would be more
than you would want to do on your own.  ADE

Jason:  I have worked on cars for 27 years and I let Ade do AAALLLLLLLLL my
tranny work.  I don't even do manual rebuilds.  The last time I took a
tranny apart I wound up buying another from a wrecking yard to replace the
one I had desicrated.  If it were me I would a) service the tranny; b) take
it to someone that I trust to do anything else.  TOM

Hope this helps.  Happy Oldsmobiling....  :)

Ade and Tom (2 of the Idaho trio)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 02:19:54 +0300
From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Subject: Long time, no see......

Hi everybody.

My mail account has been DOWN about 2 months now. Finally I got it working
(I have a bunch of oldsmobile digests....).

Just downloaded the 275 of them. That took about 30 minutes. WHOA.

Many things have happened during that time (not the 30 minutes).

First of all, our Niny is well and alive. It will receive a
decent manicure next winter. The engine needs attention (bad).

We moved to a house in the south coast of Finland. It's very quiet
here (compared to the capitol). We were lucky enough to have a carage
here, so an engine-job should be no problem, even if it becomes a
cold winter.
The garage is well illuminated (8 fluorescent lamps in the white ceiling) and
it is equipped with running water and a dwell. A car wash should be no problem.

We had a very warm and dry summer. That was a good thin for our
grand lady.

We also bought a C**vy Sco**sda** to carry us during the time Niny is
out of road. It has a 455 under hood though....surprise...

Our dog Mosse has grown to it's full size and is constantly freightening
our mailman. For You who don't know, Mosse is an Irish Wolfhound.

Our Niny has a 394 as Bama-Bill knows.
The lifters, and especially the lifters in the drivers side make a loud
ticking sound. The sound seems not to have relatioship with RPM.

After some browsing with shop manual I found a chapter describing
this sound. The adviced to tap the lifter with a wooden mallet to
test if the sound would decease. This case would have been just
some trash in the valve lifters. It didn't.

Next chapter described how to check if valve guides were badly worn.
This test succeeded. :(.

Also, a visual inspection revealed several cracks in the valve assembly.
Seemed like the bolts would have been overtorqued, who knows....

I have decided to find new cylinder heads with the lifter asembly and
let some reputable workshop put in hardened valve seats etc.

Any ideas what that kind of job would cost in USA ?

It would absolutely be a good idea to let Your local guys do the job
since the workshops here (although they are VERY good) are not used
to do this kind of job.

I will write more after I have read the overwhelming digests. Please,
forgive me if I don't read them all......

x----------------------------------------------------x
x Anneli & Esko Ilola     mailto:esko.ilola@tele.fi  x
x                          phone:+358 2040 3439      x
x Oldsmobile 98 -64 4DHT  Holiday sports sedan       x
x "Where the action is...."                          x
x----------------------------------------------------x

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 18:18:27 -0500
From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

If I had a reason to change the tranny too, I certainly would- whether
it be $$$, performance, or whatever.  I don't know how to tell which
one I've got in either car though.  Why?  Will the 455 not connect to
the same tranny as the 403?
Thanks again-

Jeremy


At 10:24 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just curios, will you be changing the trainy too or just the engine?
>you the the TH-400 or TH-350 in it now?
>
>1975 Olds 98 Regency 455 4bbl
>1977 Olds Cutlass Suprreme 350 4bbl
>1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl
>
>
>
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:41:32 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Computers and trannies.

clindsay wrote:

> likely to do more harm than good.  NOTE:  If you are having problems
> changing an O2 sensor I would strongly advise AGAINST trying to install a
> shift kit which involves dropping the valve body and maybe it would be more
> than you would want to do on your own.  ADE

I have changed the tranny filter and fluid before.  Is changing the valve
body going much further than changing the filter.  But, you're right, a 200
is not a performance tranny, so I'll probably not do it.  Just curious.
Thanks!

- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:50:07 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Happy days are here again!

Well, yes, happy days are here again.  I've been trying to replace the O2
sensor on my 307 for about the past 3 days.  On Monday, I bought it.  On
Tuesday, after classes, I went out to the car (about 3/4 mile from my dorm
hall) to try to change it...the engine was too hot Monday evening, besides,
it was getting dark.  ANYWAY, I tried to get the thing out of there on
Tuesday afternoon...with my Robo-Grip's.  I don't have a full tool-set in
the car, so the Robo-Grip's were my best bet.  MAN, that darn thing was
just NOT going to come out!  I tried and pried (not on the sensor), but to
no avail.  I went to Lowes and Sears to get a 7/8 open end wrench.
Hmmm...10 bucks at both stores.  Woah, what's this?  A $3 pair of
needle-nose vice grips at Sears!  Great.  It fit just fine around the news
when I got back in the car.  Drove home.  Way too hot to  try it now.  Wait
until Wednesday.  Wednesday (today) afternoon comes along.  Let's try it
now.  It was pretty hard to get the stupid vice grips around that sensor
(have I mentioned that the sensor is at the Y-pipe, at the bottom of the
engine compartment?!).  I did get the vice grips around the thing, but it
still wasn't coming off.  MAN!!  Went BACK to Sears to return the vice
grips and get that dumb open end wrench.  Got home, still too hot, la la
la.  FINALLY!  Went down to the car about 3 hours later.  The exhaust
manifold was just warm, not hot.  Woo-hoo!  Got my 7/8" wrench down there
and lifted with all my might.  CRACK!  All right!  I cracked it loose.
Visual inspection of the manifold, no cracks or anything.  Installed the
new 02 sensor and took it out for a drive.  Man, what a difference!
Actually got the tail end sideways...on dry pavement!  I've never slid the
rear axle coming out of a dry corner before...just spun the unloaded tire
(yes, it does have a posi).  I figured that was an accomplishment,
considering the 150 horse 307 and 200 tranny and 2.29 ring gear.  Well,
I'll get off the saddle now.  Just sharing my great evening.  Later.
- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:07:03 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 455 rocket

- ----------
> From: padavano.joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
>
>      Really?  I've never owned (or even seen) a single exhaust big block,

>      but the few service manuals I have seem to indicate that these
motors
>      use a "Y" pipe, not the manifold-to-manifold crossover pipe.

I've got 4 big blocks in the garage that have single exhaust and they've
all got manifold to manifold cross over. 2-'65 425s 1-'66 425 1-'71 455 all
from 88s or 98s.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:13:03 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 SX engine information

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >sorry if this is a dumb question....I own a 1970 cutlass SX
> >convertible..and am looking at the factory feature and specification
> >manual as I type this...I am looking at the SX conversion page...there
> >is absolutely no mention of a W-32 performance package affiliated with
> >the SX conversion package...all that I see is the Y-79 package is
> >available with this conversion.....only that during the 1st 6 months of
> >1970 this car came with a 320 HP 2 bbl carb and then came standard with
> >the 455 365 HP...so...ENLIGHTEN ME!!!...Hoagie
>
> The W-32 365hp 4-bbl 455 was available from the beginning, as an upgrade to
> the standard L-33 320hp 2-bbl high-compression 455. It's listed as an
> option in the factory shop manual, which has a printing date of October
> 1969. After February of 1970, the L-33 was dropped, and the L-31 365hp
> 4-bbl 455 became the standard engine with the Y-79 package, and the W-32
> 365hp 4-bbl 455 remained as an optional engine upgrade. Though the hp
> ratings are the same, the W-32 was the same as the 442 engine of that year,
> and therefore had bigger intake valves and a more performance-oriented
> camshaft than the L-31, which was basically the same engine they installed
> as standard in the full-size cars.
>
> FWIW, the Y-79 option *was* the performance package for the Cutlass Supreme
> lineup, and the W-32 was an engine option on that performance package, even
> though that performance package was basically only an engine option. The
> only thing included in the Y-79 performance option was the specific
> drivetrain package, not any handling/visual enhancements like the 442,
> except perhaps the 12-bolt rear and the cutout rear bumper with trumpet
> exhausts. Oh, yeah, the "SX" badges as well, but those are about as subtle
> as can be. I had thought the Y-79 package also included the buckets and
> console w/floor shifter interior, but that's not the case.
>
> BTW, the L-33 was an engine exclusive to the Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme lineup
> for its brief life in the first half of the 1970 model year. The 2-bbl
> engine installed in the full-size cars had lower compression, and lower hp.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918that was interesting
bob...but I have 1 nagging question...how did they manage to get 500 ft lbs of
torque from this L-33 motor...I always found that amazing...Hoagie

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:26:10 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

My mail box has had twice the normal volume of messages in the past
couple of days.  Easy enough to delete what  I don't want, sort by
subject and delete all "Re: The list people and their cars".

Just a dumb question here.  Why are we all sending this to the list?  If
someone wants to compile this, shouldn't this be sent privately???
Also, as I recall there was a URL you could "register" as a list
member.  This was sorted by state.  Can't seem to locate the address
now...

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:32:05 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold

AllNiteLng@aol.com wrote:

>  It must be cracked worse than I pictured it, then...
>
>  S. Dave Ward
>
>  ------------------ >>
>
>     No S**T Sherlock

Is this REAQLLY necesary?

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:26:40 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: power seat question

AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com wrote:
>
>  Hi guys, whats the difference between a bench and a bucket power seat rack
> on a 72 cutlass? And which is a fourway and which is a six? thanks joeJoe,
I have a power bench seat in my 1970 Cutlass SX convertible its
a 4 way...don't know if there are such things as 6 way in 1970
models...I have a power bucket in my 1971 442 W-30 convertible its a 4
way also..its a rack assembly that bolts to the original floor mount
bolts...don't know if this helps any...but there's my 2 cents...Hoagie

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 20:16:24 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

I wrote my original reply last night, I forgot to add my brother, and I'll
give a more detailed description, in case someone wanted to know a little
more about our Oldsmobiles

Bill Reilly, Westwood, New Jersey.

Just starting my collection,

'85 Cutlass Supreme, Project Car
I've had this car just over three years.  It's my pride and joy, but has
definately been abused too much over the past year.  Just officially
"retired" from active service.  Burgundy/burgundy, vinyl roof, 307Y,
buckets, console, Rallye Pac, just added Super Stock Chrome rims, th200c,
2.14:1  It's still pretty clean, no major rust, 108K miles. I have an '88
Hurst Aero Kit for it and am planning for a W-30(?) ram air hood, 455,
th2004r, lightning rods, and 3.73 gears.

'83 Cutlass Ciera Brougham International, Daily Driver
Very clean daily driver I bought from a friend.  Only 93K miles, no rust,
light brown/brown, 151ci 4 cylinder, custom installed sunroof in full vinyl
roof.  Nice car for every day use.

Sean Reilly

'86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
White/burgundy, vinyl roof, 307Y, TCI street fighter th350, 2.14:1, Rallye
Pac, 118K miles.  Interior is very clean, exterior is clean but has several
small spots of body rot.  Nice 1st car for my 17 year old brother.

Sorry to post this twice, but I wanted to add some more.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:45:11 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Computers and trannies.

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> From: Adcock, Jason K. <jadcock@vt.edu>
>
> 2) I don't want to break the transmission, so I haven't done this yet,
> but...does a shift kit put more pressure on tranny internals or less?  I
> have a 200 3-spd., so I don't want to break the thing, but it does seem
> slushy, so I thought a shift kit would crisp it up.  I don't want to
crisp
> it up if it would drop second gear shifting hard one time.  Also, do the
> shift kits really work?  They're only 30 bucks or so..

Yes they do increase the pressure but I doubt it would cause it to leak
(but anything is possible). As long as its in good working order you
shouldn't have any problems, but if its slipping you might as well get it
fixed you might even get the shop to install a shift kit for you. A shift
kit if anything will help you tranny last longer because it reduces the
slipping and friction during shifts. The first kit I used was a B&M in a
used TH350 from a junk yard. Other than changing oil and spark plugs it was
the first time I had ever done any work on a car. I put over 70k miles on
that tranny before it went and the reason it quit working was because I got
stuck in a snow drift and after about 20 minutes I found myself going from
drive to reverse to drive to.... at 3000 rpm. I got out but two days later
I could only go 40 mph(and it took about 2 miles to get to that speed).
I've also used Transgo and I like their kit a lot better. Its easier to
install, has more adjustability and cost about half what B&M kits go for.
You shouldn't have any problems installing one in a day. You just got to be
sure to keep everything clean and organized. The kit will have pictures to
show you were everything goes if you forget. Read the instructions and get
a good understanding of what you are doing before you do anything to the
tranny.

>.why didn't GM put a
> comporable item in to begin with.  (and...)
Why didn't they put W-30 engine in your car?

http://www.naparts.com/

Has Transgo kits. Never ordered anything from them but they have been
sending me free catalogs for about 3 years. Try local parts stores and
tranny shops to avoid shipping cost.

Daren

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 19:18:16 -0500
From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Dan Williams
68 442 Convertible

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:52:17 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 SX engine information

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> From: David, Terri and Rob <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
> was interesting bob...but I have 1 nagging question...how did they
> manage to get 500 ft lbs of torque from this L-33 motor...I always found
> that amazing...Hoagie

Four hundred and fifty five cubic inches of Oldsmobile!

Daren

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:03:53 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: power seat question

David, Terri and Rob wrote:
>
> AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com wrote:
> >
> >  Hi guys, whats the difference between a bench and a bucket power seat rack
> > on a 72 cutlass? And which is a fourway and which is a six? thanks joeJoe,
>         I have a power bench seat in my 1970 Cutlass SX convertible its
> a 4 way...don't know if there are such things as 6 way in 1970
> models...I have a power bucket in my 1971 442 W-30 convertible its a 4
> way also..its a rack assembly that bolts to the original floor mount
> bolts...don't know if this helps any...but there's my 2 cents...Hoagie

Hoagie......Good questions. I too am interested. Is there a similarity
between a  rack for a bench power seat and a rack for bucket power
seat?  Do you know if the bench seat rack/drive system can be converted
to a bucket seat rack?

Please let me know.  Thanks.  Wayne

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:05:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Handren's and Gillespie's Cars

Oh boy, what a dilema, both Bobs and Mikes cars have showed up on
MCC online.  I have to say that I voted for Bobs car due to that I voted
for Mikes car on the Web of Wheels online.  So Bob its going to be
a tought decision upon are Olds list who gets the first place honors.


Good Luck to both of you and like I said, I voted a certain way to make
it fair for both cars.  BTW, both cars are gorgeous.  I had the oportunity
to see Bobs car up close in Lansing, unfortunately I missed Mikes car.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 21:16:34 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Jim & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 11:18 PM 10/4/97, you wrote:
> Jim Chermack
> 66 442 Post Coupe (Bracket car)
> 67 442 W-30 Track Pac (48,000 mile orig)
> 67 Cutlass Supreme Post Coupe (77,000 mile daily driver)
> 70 SX W-32 (48,000 miles departing soon)
> 72 442 Hardtop (83,000 miles beginning restoration)

J. Michael Wolfe
72 Cutlass Supreme
62000 miles

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 21:55:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

In a message dated 97-10-08 06:40:57 EDT, you write:

<< did i leave anyone's name out? >>
Dan442Olds@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 07:16:46 -0700
From: hermine <hermine@endangeredspecies.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

At 11:41 AM 10/8/97 -0400, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.
>
>
>
>Timothy A. Churchill
>Framingham, Massachusetts (Birthplace of many an Olds, tho not recently)
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible -- Born in Lansing, FWIW
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood
>'91 Mazda Protege
>
>hermine@endangeredspecies.com
54 olds 98 rocket 4 door "saloon" in Britain...what do they call em here?

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 07:19:45 -0700
From: hermine <hermine@endangeredspecies.com>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

At 12:25 PM 10/8/97 -0400, Robert Schinkel wrote:
>Ya ME docbob@caninet.com
>
>----------
>> From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: everyone on the list
>> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM
>>
>> here is a list of everyone on the list:
>> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
>johnson@edisongroup.com,
>>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,  z28cfi@gwis.com,
>>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,  jht@exo.com,
>>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,  isocon@pi.net,
>>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
>jadcock@vt.edu,
>>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,  mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
>r4c442@aol.com,
>>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
>tlentz@ior.com,
>>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
>krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
>>
>> did i leave anyone's name out?
>
>hermine@endangeredspecies.com

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:49:59 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

What do I have to do knock you all over the head
You forgot me
docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: Etzel, Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: everyone on the list
> Date: Wednesday, October 08, 1997 7:55 AM
>
> On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM, Mikeytvb@aol.com
> [SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com] wrote:
> > here is a list of everyone on the list:
> > cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
> johnson@edisongroup.com,
> >  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
> >  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,
> z28cfi@gwis.com,
> >  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
> >  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
> >  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,
> jht@exo.com,
> >  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,
> isocon@pi.net,
> >  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
> jadcock@vt.edu,
> >  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
> >  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
> >  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
> >  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
> >  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
> >  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,
> mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
> >  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
> r4c442@aol.com,
> >  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
> >  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
> tlentz@ior.com,
> >  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
> krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
> >  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
> >  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
> >  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
> >  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
> >  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
> >  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
> >  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
> >  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
> >  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
> >
> > did i leave anyone's name out?
>
>
> You have my e-mail address wrong. It should be: bobby.etzel@gsc.gte.com
>
> 70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
>

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:34:39 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: people on the list

I thought California was a bit thin on members - guess its cause we cant be
outstanding in our fields (oh please ......!)

We're glad your along for our ride Don.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:32:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: '68 Delmont

I think we were fairly certain the Delmont/Delta in your photos was a '68.
Pass on the info & he can check it out.  Many thanks.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:21:12 -0500
From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

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1970 442 W-30 Convertible
1994 Impala SS
(your going to love these...)
1974 VW "Thing"
1974 VW Super Beetle
it's true, two VW's...but unlike the other VW owner, I will get in line =
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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:20:49 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>
> here is a list of everyone on the list:
>
>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,


I'm not trying to throw a monkey wrench into your plans,  but the
address should read ward@ptbo.igs.net, *not* ward@htbo.igs.net.  PTBO is
the short form for Peterborough, which is where my server is...

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:13:27 -0400
From: gbro@juno.com (Glenn B Brobeck)
Subject: 65 <4|4|2> List  ONLY

The 1965 442 has been my only four wheeled love since 65.  Dominated the
strip straight out of the box and with a little engine work (well I
usually went overboard in those days. I made enough money on the streets
to finance what it needed.) so that tells you it ran pretty darn good on
the street too.

Not that I have anything against the later 442's (other than they weren't
as quick) I'de just like to see a list of ONLY the 65's.

Name:
Address: "optional"
State:
Phone: "optional"

     This is mine.
65 <4|4|2>                   color:    Black   AA
65 <4|4|2>                Interior:    White
65 <4|4|2>Buckets or bench:    Buckets
65 <4|4|2>   4 speed or auto:    4 Speed
65 <4|4|2>     Coupe or Post:    Holiday Coupe

If you know of any out there for sale or any parts, include them in your
reply.



Thanks,

BRO    GBRO@juno.com
65 <4|4|2>

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 20:11:05 PST8
From: hpnaepflin@CCGATE.HAC.COM
Subject: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!

Lisa Madsen has modestly neglected to mention that her '67 Delta 88 Custom
(Tizzy) took home a third in its class at the Southern California OCA meet in
Yorba Linda this past weekend!   Love the styling of those swooping fenders and
fastback roof!  A really nice clean car. Don't see many of them anymore, even 
in
Socal.

Got to meet her and chat about our favorite topic for a few minutes while the
twins waited patiently in their matching car seats :)

Lisa said that Erik Nowicki was there earlier.  Anybody else on the list there?
How bout Mr. Ada?

If anybody in the area is interested, there is a fairly popular Cruise Nite
every Tuesday night in Redondo Beach, on Inglewood Ave just north of the 405.
Usually lasts about from 5 to 9 or so.   Lemme know and I can usually show up
after 6.

hans

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:26:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

not sure of the point of this list but i dont think im on it
AGUY4RUMLI@AOL.COM. Let me know if i win :)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:46:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The List People and their cars

>Head on 50 mph collision finished car. I survived
>1973 Suzuki TC 125 - Slid it under a train one sunny sunday afternoon 22 yrs
>ago. It became scrap metal. I survived - barely.

Promise us the Olds' won't have to go through any more of this (oh, and you
too)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:06:59 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: power seat question

Wayne

I have both kinds and see no differnce except the longer hoses
I see no reason why a power bench seat couldn;t be converted to power
bucket

Bob
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> Fro
> Hoagie......Good questions. I too am interested. Is there a similarity
> between a  rack for a bench power seat and a rack for bucket power
> seat?  Do you know if the bench seat rack/drive system can be converted
> to a bucket seat rack?
>
> Please let me know.  Thanks.  Wayne

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 23:51:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

In a message dated 97-10-08 22:53:51 EDT, you write:

<< >>
 >> did i leave anyone's name out? >>
ME

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:23:07 -0500
From: gilly24-7@juno.com (Gabe G Gilsrud)
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

- -Gabe G. Gilsrud
Gilly24-7@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 23:24:32 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: V8 Converted Volkswagens - Little Olds Content

As for Olds powered VWs.  I know a guy who has a vw type III
(thats the wagon looking vw) that was cut just behind the
drivers seat and made into a truck. OK, OK, no big deal.
It was an excellent cut job and looked great.  The "bed"
was covered and when lifted on it's hinges,  boom.
A clean, shinny, chromed Olds 455 hooked to a Toranodo
transaxel.  This 2100 lb car would mooooooove.
Only problem, it kept twisting the axels.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 09:47:14 -0700
From: hermine <hermine@endangeredspecies.com>
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

I thought when you wanted a list of cars, you meant olds only..so an update

54 olds 98 rocket
61 VW Bus Fire Engine
61 VW Kombi
64 VW bus deluxe sunroof
61 Mini Cooper Innocenti

Some chevvy trucks 57-75

enough parts to make somethng else one could drive...

formerly a Fiat multipla and some other tiny cars...
Morris minor Woody early 60s
Corvair turbo spyder, last year bathtub design...61 or 2

and i forgot.
 my best cars are ahead of me!
hermine@endangeredspecies.com

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:02:28 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

>Are 5a heads good or bad?

Well, they're better than the 7A heads, but I wouldn't go out of my way to
install them on anything but a 307 that didn't already have them.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:02:34 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Updates and questions

>talking about.  This past weekend me and a friend were messing around
>under the hood looking and such.  He noticed that something was loose
>on the engine and when he went to check it broke off :(  He *thinks* is a
>temp sensor.....Anyway, now for the description....it's one of the little
>electric plug set ups.  It's located almost directly behind the oil fill cap
>(which is is the approximate center of the engine - a 455).  The prongs
>(or male receptors if that's what you call them) are what broke off, there
>were two of them angled slightly, similar to a 'V'....and the part that sticks
>to it has a dark green and a light green wire attached that meander on
>and eventually go to some unknown destination <grin>    Any clues so I
>know what part to order?

As long as it doesn't have vacuum hoses connected to it, it's likely the
temperature sensor. If it's got two connectors, one might be for the "Cold"
light (do you have one of those on the dash?). You'll want to ask for a
temperature sensor for your car.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 05:16:20 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re[2]: 455 rocket

>The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was
>originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's
>a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98.
>
>     Really?  I've never owned (or even seen) a single exhaust big block,
>     but the few service manuals I have seem to indicate that these motors
>     use a "Y" pipe, not the manifold-to-manifold crossover pipe.  I always
>     thought the dual-opening manifold was used on the small blocks only.
>     What years used the crossover?

OK, I had typed out a well-documented and argued response, when Eudora
barfed on me and lost it all. So, quick story, all reference to
single-exhaust 455's in 1970 big cars shows a dual-outlet RH manifold with a
separate crossover pipe (shop manual, p. 6B-8, fig. 6B-113 and p.8-20, fig.
8-19. Also recall one from a mid-70's 98 from which I pulled a 455.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:34:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: milage

my stock 69 442 4 speed with 3.42s and f-78/15s gets 11-12 always and if
im really nice to it, ie steady 60 and a distance of 150+ miles we see
17.5

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Date: 8 Oct 1997 22:15:12 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Windshield leaks, 455 MPG?

In my '78 Delta 88 the windshield leaks on the passenger side, enough to
have saturated and partly destroyed the padding/sound deadener at the
foot of that wheel well and give me some nice surface rust which has
been fixed by the good-ol rustoleum.  SInce it will be raining soon I
wish to fix these leaks.  I have heard that this is rather common in
Deltas so does anybody know where I should try sealing up the
windshield?

Also, anybody have a guess on what a 455 in said car with a rear gear of
anything from 2.41 to 3.08 will do in city and highway MPG?  This engine
would have a Crane 260/272 adv. dur. .456/.484 lift cam and a 750 Q-jet
from a '78 350-4V wagon.  Exhaust would probably splut to dual after 3:
catalyst.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr.

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 04:28:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: test test

Testinggggggggggggggggggggggg

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 97 06:58:39 -0600
From: scc@teamquest.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

68 Olds Cutlass S Convertible (blue/white top/white interior)
350 4V auto, tilt, AM/FM, A/C, PS, PB, buckets

Stephen Chuck
Mason City, IA

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:04:31 EDT
From: A KOHLER <AKOHLER@aol.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Alan Kohler                                       Rockton,IL
1966 442 ªs matching project
1967 C/S convertable needs frame
1967 VC parts car
1971 442 have most parts to finish
1977 indy pace car replica will have to do a frame off as it needs frame
1978 C/S for sale
1981 C/S for sale
1986 C/S needs oil pump
1996 silhouette wifes people mover
assorted full size & S size chevy pickups
1957 Hudson Hornet complete but major project

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 20:44:32 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: 1971 Manuals SOLD!!!

both manuals are sold.

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 19:34:48 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

- -----Original Message-----
From: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 12:02 AM
Subject: The list people and their cars



>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.
>
>People                                        State
Lloyd William (Bill) Culp       Alabama     1928 Model A roadster pickup

1949 Studebaker Champion convertible

1955 Ford Victoria

1955 Studebaker President hardtop

1956 Lincoln Premeire hardtop

1961 Lincoln Continental

1962 Olds Jetfire

1962 Dodge Polara 500 convertible

1963 Avanti R2 4-sped

1963 Grand Prix

1963 Lincoln Continental convertible

1963 Dodge Polara 500 convertible

1967 Toronado

1968 442 convertible 4-speed

1969 AMX 390 4-speed

1970 Buick GS 455

1972 Javelin AMX 401 4-speed

various parts cars
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:53:10 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Olds & Twins (WAS Re: Lisa's Tizzy take's the Bronze!)

> Lisa Madsen has modestly neglected to mention that her '67 Delta 88 Custom
> (Tizzy) took home a third in its class at the Southern California OCA meet in
> Yorba Linda this past weekend!

<snip>

> Got to meet her and chat about our favorite topic for a few minutes while the
> twins waited patiently in their matching car seats :)

Gee, getting in the recent spirit of compiling more & more specialized
lists of folks on the Olds list :) (e.g., W-30s only, '65 4-4-2s only, etc.)

How about list members who are parents of, or are themselves, twins?

Lisa has a set, as does Hans apparently.  And so do I.

As the teacher in Ferris Bueller asks, "Anyone?  Anyone?"



Tim Churchill -- Dad to Helen and Michael, born on Tax Day, 4/15/94
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:59:45 -0400
From: Howard H <howardh@magicnet.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Howard Hosenbold
Orlando, Fl

1) 1984 Honda Civic Wagon
2) 1995 Nissan Maxima GLE
3) 1984 Hurst Olda

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 09:02:10 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

hermine@endangeredspecies.com asks:

> 54 olds 98 rocket 4 door "saloon" in Britain...what do they call em here?

They're called "sedans" here on this side o' the Atlantic, Hermine.
At least in the US.  Perhaps in Canada they're also called saloons?

Now, if there's no posts between the front & rear doors, and then they're
simply called 4 door hardtops, which probably was not an available style
in '54.

In the US, the term "saloon" conjures up images of a smoky place where
one drinks rot-gut whiskey, smokes cheap cigars, and shoots poker cheats while
listenin' to an old time piano.  Or somethin'.




Tim (Who Had as an Ancestor a Piano Player Shot in a Cathouse) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 06:15:21 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Seatbelt Suggestions for '55 Olds

My '55 "88" 2-door hardtop is about ready for it's new interior.
Would like sources for seatbelts with GM logo like out of '70's
cars.  The interior is three shades of gray, so guess black or
gray would work.

Can you still get the old lap-only style from GM dealers??

Any other ideas??

Thanks,

Gary Andresen

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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 08:20:01 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....)

Chris Sparks wrote
> Did you race the A/T with the gear indicator in "D"?  If so then I can

I always shifted the automatic manualy.  In fact I had to disconnect the
kickdown so the transmission would let me go to the next gear when I
wanted to.

Joe Padavano wrote
> As for most drag cars using slushboxes, there are actually several    >
reasons.  Dave correctly pointed out the shock to the driveline,      > 
although
I always thought some of that was desirable to plant the     > slicks (witness
the use of tranny brakes).  Clearly, breakage and wear

You want to plant the slicks, but not too violent.  The automatic will
cushion the blow.  Tranny brakes have a quicker release than the foot
brakes.  They can be tied into the delay box, which takes the driver
further out of variables.  The automatic makes it possible to run larger
slicks than what is optimum, thereby allowing the torque converter to
get the car moving.  If you ran most of those fast cars with a manual,
you would have to go with shorter tires or a slider clutch to keep the
engine from bogging. The best combo for bracket racing is the small car,
big motor with lots of torque, Powerglide, trans brake, delay box, and
extra large slicks.  The driver releases the button on the delay box,
the delay box releases the trans brake at the preset time, the car
leaves hard without spinning the tires, and the driver shifts one time.

One guy who races where we do has a tube frame 70 W-30. (rusty as hell
and already back halved when he got it.) It has a 455 and a Powerglide.
He went from a TH400 to the glide for consistancy.  Low gear in the
'glide is almost the same as 2nd in the TH400.  The converter just works
a little harder.  The car runs in the high 6's in the 1/8.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:18:47 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

I can't say if the 5A's are bad or not, but I can say the flow LOTS more
than the 7A's.  I have yet to see a 85 with 5A's.  They say it was an
early year change, so not many got it.  I even heard a report that some
84's got 7A's, so you just need to look.  If I rebuild my 307 it will
get 5A's to replace the 7A's, and the 350 may get some 5A's too.  Nice
dose of compression for the 350.  A little pocket porting, some 3.08
gears, THM350,  etc.

The port mismatch from the 7A to 5A is unacceptable in any combination.
I had thought about it, 7A matching intake, 3A heads on my 350, but
after looking, NO WAY, I couldn't choke a 350 like that.  The 7A heads
have the same width as the 5A and older heads, (260 doesn't count) but
the height is about the same as the width, it is very close to being
square.  I have the measurements somewhere, I can either measure again,
or find my scratch sheet.

Recommend, if you have 5A's, get an aluminum intake from Edelbrock or a
junkyard.  I have one from an 82 Custom Cruiser 307.  All may have been
aluminum, I don't know on that.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme
Rocket 350 CCC

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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 08:31:18 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

For the 455 ci, I really recomend a TH-400 Trainy, the way you can
tell is the shape of the pan. If the pan looks rectangular with
corner cut off, thats a TH-350, it it looks kinda like the shape of
the state of Illinois, thats a TH-400. The 455 will kill the 350
Trainy in the long run, well, if your really going to have fun with
the 455 it will, :) Depending upon the year, you could have either
trainy with the 403. Hopefully this helps. Going off memmory, after
76 they only put TH-350's in, perhaps someone else on the list can
refresh my memmory though.




> If I had a reason to change the tranny too, I certainly would- whether
> it be $$$, performance, or whatever.  I don't know how to tell which
> one I've got in either car though.  Why?  Will the 455 not connect to
> the same tranny as the 403?
> Thanks again-
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> At 10:24 AM 10/8/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Just curios, will you be changing the trainy too or just the engine?
> >you the the TH-400 or TH-350 in it now?
> >
> >1975 Olds 98 Regency 455 4bbl
> >1977 Olds Cutlass Suprreme 350 4bbl
> >1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >-------------------------------------------------------
> >Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> >Highland Community College
> >Phone (815) 235-6121
> >Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> >-------------------------------------------------------
> >"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
> >
> >
>

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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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