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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, September 21 1997      Volume 01 : Number 859



Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!
Re: aol blows, need help
Re: Original key blanks for sale
Re: Parts for RC
Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth
Re: Fall Carlise, Englishtown, and Hershey
Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!
Re: Parting out 66 Olds Toronado!!!
Re: VIN Number Decoding
Common things
RE: MCC on-line voting(olds related)
Re: Logo
Pan's
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: Original key blanks for sale
Re: ANY gm over FORD....ha ha ha
Cutlass/442 Parts
Re: BODY: Door hinge repair kits from year one
Re: Toro part wanted
Re: Gas tank interchange: '70 and '71 Cutlass
Unsubscribe Oldsmobile
Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth.....question
Re: Sport Wheel Goo
Re: the new Olds logo?
Re: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster
350 Stovepipe
Re: Common things
Re: 350 Stovepipe
Re: the new Olds logo?
Re: the new Olds logo?
Re: aol blows, need help
Re: how to bring back that gold shine
Re: aol blows, need help
Re: Parting out 66 Olds Toronado!!!
Re: the new Olds logo?
Re: 12 sec rocket in RI
didn't write this
Re: Cleaning electrical connections
Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth.....question
Re: 12 sec rocket in RI
Re: Fall Carlise, Englishtown, and Hershey
Re: Cleaning electrical connections
MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
Re: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: aol blows, need help
'78 Delta - Parts Request
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: MCC on-line voting(olds related)
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)
Re: Fuel Requirements
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights
Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: 455 MOTORS 4-SALE UPDATE
Re: '78 Delta - Parts Request
12 bolt rear end
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Re: Fuel Requirements
'67 442 for Sale
Cutlass Brake Upgrades
Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?
"Baffled"  (was: My 455 ª's (block ID's))

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:53:17 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!

Sure, sure...blame me!  :o

RC


>Just as an aside... after RC posted his response on this subject, I got a
>bounce from *every* AOL account on here (at least as near as I could
>tell) that it was undeliverable. Apparently  AOL imploded this morning....
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 06:46:48 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: aol blows, need help

Try IBM.net, they have numbers all over the world for access,
so you can get your e-mail wherever you are, as long as you have
access to a computer with a browser.

http://www.ibm.net

Patrick Flowers wrote:
>
> RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > anyone suggest a better isp than aol, cant use at night 6pm to 10pm,
constant > > errors when i dont do anything, anyone have a good provider to
reccomend? > > Bernie, definitely ****-can AOL.  The email client(reader) is
terrible. > Once you start using Netscape or Eudora for email, you'll wonder 
why
you > put up with it for so long.  An earlier poster was right about best >
service(probably price too) with a local ISP.  I use ibm.net because I > travel
a lot and they have a great international access network.  Also, > I can be
connected to my employer's LAN and ibm.net at the same > time(some ISP's don't
support that).  Be careful, many ISP's are having > too much success and have
gotten into the same predicament as > AmericaOffLine; i.e. too many subscribers
and too few access lines. > Mindspring, a southeastern regional ISP has a limit
on new subscribers > per month and their web site will tell you which areas are
closed > because they are over quota! > > Wishing you an AOL-less future, >
Patrick > -- > Patrick Flowers > Mailto:patri63@ibm.net > > The GMC Motorhome
Page > http://www.gmcmotorhome.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:01:04 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Original key blanks for sale

On either side there should be a small stamp ex. "E"

or some after market blanks have it in their stock ª, such as the Cole
company; B44E ("E")  How do I know it's not "B" you ask?  I know.  Just
don't want to use the bandwidth to explain. :)

Different companies put it different places.  Most GM aftermarket blanks
have a letter on one side of the key head, in the upper left corner in a
circle.

RC


On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, James Thingwold <jht@exo.com> wrote:
>
>>Please specify keyway;  A, B, C, D, E, H, J, or K
>
>Uhhh, I'll display my ignorance - which is which (A-K)?  How can I tell
>which I need?
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:04:21 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Parts for RC

Thanks anyway Scott.

RC

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 06:59:18 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth

Greg,

Since your on an etiquete topic I have a suggestion.

Notice that my response is at the top of your original post.
Makes it real easy for everyone to see when they are clicking/deleting
down the list until they see something of personal interest.

I notice that some people do this already.  It would make it real easy
for everyone to get through the many messages without having to use
the scroll bar to get down to the reply.

Any thoughts on this.

I will also post this as a new message so it doesn't get lost.

Gary Andresen

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Been away for a few days, and been meaning to post this for a while.
> Having over 1000 messages in my inbox since Monday -- most of them
> bounces from accounts that have gone bad -- I am perhaps a little less
> tolerant of this today than I otherwise would be. But here goes:
>
> Please conserve bandwidth! DO NOT post non-Olds material here. I have
> no problem with general questions about paint and body, etc., that
> apply just as much to any make, but the other stuff doesn't belong here.
>
> Second, please take as much as possible to private mail. Parts
> negotiations, thank-yous (generally) and the like do not belong here.
>
> Third, please TRIM THOSE POSTS! This is a regular issue that comes up
> every now and then, but I need to remind folks that we do not need to
> see 3 pages of quoted text for a one-line follow-up.
>
> Having said all that, I don't want to inhibit the good stuff: the Q&A,
> the stories, the experiences, the dreams. I just don't want to read it
> all 10 times over.
>
> I hate to sound curmudgeonly, but there is a lot of useless chatter
> these days that I'm afraid is reducing the value of the list for
> everyone. Keep it on-topic, and within the guidelines, and I'll be a
> lot happier in the future. Thanks!
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:04:36 -0400
From: "bill" <lewman@mindpulse.com>
Subject: Re: Fall Carlise, Englishtown, and Hershey

Yes, I will be there.  Also, if anyone wants me to look for anything at
Englishtown (next weekend), I most likely will be going there.  I also will
be going to Hershey - same offer holds.  Englishtown is definitely the
place for the performance crowd as there is a lot of that type of stuff
there.

I took my wife to Carlisle one year and she was bored out of her mind.
That was in the early days when they did not have the entire fairground
covered.  (Oh well, she likes to do minatures.)

Bill Pritchett
lewman@mindpulse.com

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> From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> To: Lewman
> Subject: Fall Carlise
> Date: Friday, September 19, 1997 9:28 PM
>
>
> Just wondering,  anyone here planning to attend the fall Carlise in two
weeks
> ?
>
> I'm planning on going 10/03/97.
>
> Steve Dietrich
>   S/E PA
>     71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:03:51 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster

Greg,

Have you ever though how nice it is when you see responses to posts
with the response at the top of your original post.
Makes it real easy for everyone to see when they are clicking/deleting
down the list until they see something of personal interest.

I notice that some people do this already.  It would make it real easy
for everyone to get through the many messages without having to use
the scroll bar to get down to the reply.

All you have to do after clicking on the reply button is to got to the
top of the original message. Do a couple of "Enters" and go to it.

TRY IT....... You'll like it.  I know I do.

Any thoughts on this.


Gary Andresen

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:56:04 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

>
> Anyone know if the heater controls in a '78 Delta are illuminated at
> night? I assume they would be, and mine aren't, so I thought I had a bad
> bulb. But looking in the manual, they don't mention that they have a lamp
> there, let alone what kind of bulb you'd need. Any ideas?

I have a 78 Delta 88 Royale, yours is not the only one that is
haunted..:) Yes, they are supposed to be aluminated, (at least mine
are) I never had to change a bulb there, but I would imagine there
the same as the dash bulbs.

>
> I think the dash lights on this car are haunted anyway. Over the last
> couple of weeks, one of the speedo lights was flickering one night on
> bumps, but has been fine since. The ashtray light never worked, but last
> night I saw light around the edges of the thing and opened it up to see
> it was working. Plus last night one of the clock lights suddenly started
> to work too after not having done so ever before. Strange.

I have the exact same problem, I have replaced the dash lights twice
since I have had the car, find out they suffer chip creep, ( a term
used in my computer proffesion known from the state as chips, or
light bulbs in this case, heat and cool, it expands and contracts,
and eventually loosens to the point of where it works off and on) I
found on my 88 if you pound on the top of the dash board it sometimes
helps, :) or, my other soloution was changing the bulbs and using a
hot glue gun to glue the bulbs in right around the base, this
prevents the chip creep, or bulb creep in this case to slide out.
Unfortunatly, the bulbs arnt always that easy to get at, so have
fun.:)

>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
Mike Krumwiede

1975 Olds 98 Regency 2dr hrd top, 455ci, racing cam, dual exhaust,
TH-400/2000 stall

1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 2dr hrd top, 350ci

1977 Olds Cutlass 2dr hrd top, 350ci


- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:51:54 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: AOL is cool!.....RCKTPWR ==>not!!!!!

ROKMORT@aol.com wrote:
>
> What does Honda got to do with AOL?  stay to the issue...
>
> Michael j. Morton

What does ~ANY~ of this have to do with Oldsmobiles?????
Stay on the ~right~ issue....
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROKMORT@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 66 Olds Toronado!!!

Dear Lisa,
  There is a factory original drivers side mirror on this 66 Toro.  The
mirror is
good, chrome faded in the typical So. Cal. manner, and a few pits on the
front side.
The remote cables have been cut.  Give me a call if you want me to get it
for you.  909 880 9749

Sincerely,   Michael J. Morton

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:59:00 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: VIN Number Decoding

>
> I am looking for some information regarding a Rallye350 also. I would like
> help decoding a VIN....It is
>
> 336770M308150
>
Olds, Cutlass post coupe, 1970, Lansing built.  The last six are
sequential ªs following the first one of 100001.  So there were 208149
total cars ahead of yours.

What puzzles me is that both Rallye 350 info seekers haven't yet told us
the body paint code which was (--).  If they are just trying to verify
it was a Rallye to begin with.   If there's a number there, they've got
a problem.....

Viewpoint,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:51:36 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Common things

We have an '84 Isuzu Trooper (the other half's obviously) that has NEVER
had the four wheel drive engaged and if it did it couldn't pull itself out
of a mud puddle.  The biggest plus for those small 4x4's and such is that
they're SMALL - that's it.  There are roads still marked in off road areas
"Toyota only" to indicate how small the clearances are.  They certainly
don't mean "Need muscle to climb the hill"!!!!!!!

We were out in a very remote area of the desert once 4 wheeling and there
was this tremendously rocky wash that looked interesting but was marked
non-vehicle on the map - having gotten stuck in a few turns previously with
a long bed F*rd pickup, we were just walking up it a ways when this little
old Subaru wagon came crawling down over the rocks with these three
teenagers in it.  They made it ONLY because they were small & light (and
grinning like fools).

I still think they're fairly useless.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:45:32 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: RE: MCC on-line voting(olds related)

An Oldsmobile I've actually forgot that I used/owned was an '87 Custom
Cruiser that my work supplied me with (long ago) for a couple of years - it
was a Canadian car but the da*n thing was so hard to start (ignition/timing
no one ever managed to work out) that I really disliked the car as a whole.
 The funniest thing about that car was when my *then* 3 year old daughter
locked herself in the car while it was running and wouldn't open the door
for me.  Well, she did 45 minutes later after  I was ready to just about
strangle her.

How could I forget an Olds?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:38:41 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Logo

Hmmmm, food for thought.  Only $359.00 for the case you say.......



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:54:19 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Pan's

Keeps oil from splashing up where its not needed.



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:55:31 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

I don't recall seeing any cars that they weren't illuminated.

However, it sounds like your Delta's been visiting the Twilight Zone.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:42:25 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Original key blanks for sale

As I have *all* my keys here - let me look....

Delta B48 & 49A
Toronado (66) Briggs & Stratton written on it but no letter ? (little small
key w/ hex top)
Vista Cruiser - out on a mission with other half
Cutlass - A (same style key as Toro)



Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:47:16 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: ANY gm over FORD....ha ha ha

Actually it wasn't me - I have so few pictures of that car when it was at
its best that I've still got the best one that my then 2 year old ripped
taped together on my refrigerator :-)

Plus it got grainy from being enlarged.....but.....that was my BABY.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Cutlass/442 Parts

There is a place out by me that carries Cutlass/442 Parts. They are called
The parts Place. I got to go in their back room and look at all of their
parts. They have a good inventory! They have a 1970 hood that is not a
reproduction. It's the real thing. I don't have the price. You can call them.
They have a lot of OAI stuff! I bought a washer jar from them. There address
and phone number are:
The Parts Place
950 Paramount Parkway
Batavia, Illinois 60510
(630) 879-1600
(800) 879-0411
Hope that this helps some of you out with your parts!!!
Jim
1970 Cutlass W31

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:33:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Subject: Re: BODY: Door hinge repair kits from year one

 > From:Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
 > Subject: Door hinge repair kits from year one

I just did this to my cutlass door, and after doing two doors in my
lifetime, I've come up with a little bit of tricks...
1)  Avoid taking the door off if you don't have 1-2 strong friends,
they're a pain to get back on (75's are a bit bigger, though, than your's)
2)  It's easier, I think to take the hinge off and change the pin and
bushings.  By opening the door and resting it on a floor jack, it is
relatively easy to remove one hinge at a time with only a couple wrenches
and ratchets..  As long as you have a floor jack to rest the rear of the
door on, it does not put any stress n the doors.  This method also allows
you to weld up any wearing out of the holes in the hinges, as well as
painting the hinges, if you're so inclined.  Just going slow, I did my
passenger door in under 1/2 a day..

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:
Virtual Junkyard: Current count -> 5 vehicles
Oldsmobile Index: Current Count -> 8 vehicles
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
Last update: 970912
..............................................................
>
> I have bought a set of the door hinge repair kits from year one to fix a
> sagging passeger door.  I thought that I would have to remove the fender
> to get the hinges off.  After looking closely at the hinges it looks
> like I can simply remove the door and repair the hinge on the car.  Has
> anyone else ever done this?  Any tips or gotchas for this project?

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:40:56 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Toro part wanted

102724.635@compuserve.com wrote:
>
> Sorry, I didn't mean to send that to the Olds list. It was supposed to
> go to the Toro list.

I don't recall seeing it, Bill, so I forwarded it on your behalf.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 13:51:50 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Gas tank interchange: '70 and '71 Cutlass

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Robert Barry wrote:
>
> I'd like to replace the existing tank in my '70 (which has been sitting for
> 13 years, containing an unknown amount of sludge, varnish and sediment) with
> one from a '71 that was used regularly and is now emptied out. The size and
> shape is the same, but the '71 has two vent tubes on the front corners; is
> this going to work on my '70?

Mike Rothe replied:

Sure.  Bolts right up.  No problemo....


     Yes, the tank will bolt up, but doesn't the 70 have a vented gas cap,
     while the 71 is unvented?  This has to do with the use of the charcoal
     canister (which is why the 71 tank has the additional filter assembly
     behind the back seat).  Charcoal canisters were required on California
     cars in 1970 and nationally in 71.  The gas caps are different, also,
     so you can't just put a 70 cap on a 71 tank (you might think they
     _designed_ it that way).

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:12:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: MrMojoIndy@aol.com
Subject: Unsubscribe Oldsmobile

Unsubscribe Oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:41:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth.....question

I would love tobe able to do that, how about telling me, either post on site
or e-mail me directly at RCKTPWR@aol.com
thanks, bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:23:21 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: Sport Wheel Goo

>
> Anybody else got any info on this?

This is the way an Oldsmobile cries when it's not driven enough.

Danny

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:49:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: the new Olds logo?

personally...i like the new logo!

brent
1967 ragtop

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:52:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster

Isnt working, all that happens is you get the format mail
screen........Bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:53:48 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 350 Stovepipe

 Can anyone tell me if the stovepipe off a 1970 350 Cutlass will fit on a
1969? RC Hellebuyck has found a '70 in a Detroit yard and I don't want to
put him to any trouble to pull it, if it won't fit.
TIA

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:03:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Common things

Lisa,
 I have a 94 Nissan 4x4 kingcab SE-V6. I use it as my parts hauler. When I
bought my 67 442 conv....:-]...from a friend in north haven Conn., it was in
a garage in a muddy field, to haul my new baby out,  Ihad to use 4low, to get
to the pavement.

Here's a ??, what more american my Tenn. made nissan, or my Canadian built 86
cutlass salon???

Bernie..........ROCKET POWER,----------------ROCKET
OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:06:10 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 350 Stovepipe

A 350 Olds shroud and tube in 70 should fit the 69 350.  They used the
same x-manifold style in 69 and 70. (Sometimes even the same part
numbers.)  The big differences come into play when you are trying to get
one to fit the chambered x-manifolds from the big-block.  They won't fit
from small-block to big-block x-manifolds. The chambered x-manifolds are
real fat in that area where the exhaust shroud fits.  The tube is the
same though, unless it's for the 69 W air cleaner.

Viewpoint,
Mike Rothe


>  Can anyone tell me if the stovepipe off a 1970 350 Cutlass will fit on a
> 1969?

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:55:13 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Re: the new Olds logo?

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> what's everyone think about the new Olds logo?

When I was at Lansing for the party I bought a hat with the new Olds
logo. I also bought a pin with the old Rocket logo. I put the pin over
the new logo. I think the new logo looks sissy. But that's the world we
are stuck with. Product names have to be pc.


I'm not politically incorrect just politically impolite.

Danny

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:32:19 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: the new Olds logo?

>I'm not politically incorrect just politically impolite.
>
>Danny
>


LOLOLOLOLOL!

RC :)

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:25:16 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: aol blows, need help

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:51:24 -0400 (EDT) RCKTPWR@aol.com writes:
>anyone suggest a better isp than aol, cant use at night 6pm to 10pm,
>constant
>errors when i dont do anything, anyone have a good provider to
>reccomend?
>
>thanks, bernie
>cranford nj
>
I would contact AOL and seek their advice. I use AOL and don't have any
problems during that time frame. I do know that AOL WILL sign you off if
you're not showing any activity. You may want to re-load the AOL software
before you give up on it. (another MS type cure??) If you really feel
that you need another ISP, there are many around. I think I saw an
internet access disk from Best Buy.
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:31:34 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: how to bring back that gold shine

Sears has teamed up with Eastwood and is marketing their products. I had
a catalog from Sears and put out the toll free number on the bullletin
board here. Here is a copy of the original message:

"Wonderous things happened today. I received a catalog in the mail from
Sears. It has a LOT of stuff us resto people are looking for. There are
many Eastwood products, a lot of body repair items, and some very nifty
tools. I called the company and asked about this. It is called "The Auto
Shop" and is a Sears shop at home service. The Toll free ª for ordering
this neat little resource is 1-800-557-3277. I would recommend that
everybody on the list that does their own work get this baby!! Many
questions I've seen on the list are answered right in the catalog. They
also accept all major credit cards, but only US residents are able to use
their Sears card. Happy browsing !!! "

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:48:28 -0400 mrhell@m1.sprynet.com writes:
>I finally found my cruise control servo.  Here's my question;
>
>How do you bring back that "goldish" bare metal look some parts have?
>
>Can you buff it out?  I saw a guy at the Olds Homecoming show & his
>servo looked brand new!
>
>If you don't understand what I'm talking about, sorry.  I tried to
>explain.  It's like a gold version of the way the power brake boosters
>
>look.
>
>Any help appreciated!
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:33:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: aol blows, need help

thanks 4 the advice, ill try that.
bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:40:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parting out 66 Olds Toronado!!!

test test

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:49:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: the new Olds logo?

In a message dated 97-09-20 15:28:00 EDT, mrhell@m1.sprynet.com writes:

<<
 From:mrhell@m1.sprynet.com >>

>just testing here to see if this works!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:06:19 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 12 sec rocket in RI

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> how bout the stats on that 12 sec rocket??
>
> bernie nj
72 olds weights 3660  runs 12.52 106mph  400 850 carb  3200 stall speed
4.10 rearend gears

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:19:01 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: didn't write this

oh oh, I didn't write or send this.

????????
RC Hellebuyck (will the real mrhell please standup)



On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 97-09-20 15:28:00 EDT, mrhell@m1.sprynet.com writes:
>
><<
> From:mrhell@m1.sprynet.com >>
>
>>just testing here to see if this works!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:09:50 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Cleaning electrical connections

If you can reach it in there, I recommend a pencil eraser, either the
pink rubbery type or the light grey pumice type.  I've been using that
trick for years on cars, electronics, computers, R/C stuff, etc.  Works
great.  Just be careful where the little rubber bits go that rub off.
You can get a can of electrical contact cleaner from just about any auto
store.  Use this on the parts you can't reach, and on the parts you can
to flush out the eraser bits.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

Tim Rudolph wrote:
> wiring harnesses that could use a little cleaning..  Is there some special
> technique that one might use to clean the connectors in these small places?
>  Also, is there any cleaning solution that would aid this process?  Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:46:54 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Bandwidth.....question

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> I would love tobe able to do that, how about telling me, either post on site
> or e-mail me directly at RCKTPWR@aol.com
> thanks, bernie
what do u want to know building 455 now to go faster hope to be at
english town on the 10/11  4 olds show and race did u ever hear
ofwilliams olds stocker

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:54:07 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 12 sec rocket in RI

kevin hawkins wrote:
>
> RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > how bout the stats on that 12 sec rocket??
> >
> > bernie nj
> 72 olds weights 3660  runs 12.52 106mph  400 850 carb  3200 stall speed
> 4.10 rearend gears
what do u want to know

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:52:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fall Carlise, Englishtown, and Hershey

Ill be at englishtown also.
 Let me tell you about what I could do.  I work for US Airways. I can ship
things very cheap, airport to airport, at least where we fly to. If any
fellow olds people need something shipped, and i can help, id b glad to. As
an example, my friend moved to CA, and wanted to ship out some boxes, etc.
They sais it would cost $1700, i sent it by my company for $300. Also, if
members want to ship, engines etc, i hear that UPS ground isnt that $$$. Just
for your info.
 If any list members r going to E-town, it b nice to meet, let me know.......

Bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 17:54:17 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Re: Cleaning electrical connections

At 01:28 AM 9/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello,
>  During the process of hooking up some necessary electrical components
>(light bulbs, that kinda thing) I've come across lots of connectors on the
>wiring harnesses that could use a little cleaning..  Is there some special
>technique that one might use to clean the connectors in these small places?
> Also, is there any cleaning solution that would aid this process?  Thanks.
>

    Not real sure what part of the connectors you want to clean so I'll
address both here.
       For the exterior of the connectors and the insulation of the wires,
lacquer thinners works great for cleaning.  After cleaning the wire
insulation with the thinners you may then want to spray them with a clear
coat.  My favorite is Rustoleum's Clear Satin enamel.  I like the satin
rather than a gloss because gloss will tend to give it an unnatural 'sugar
coated' look. The clear coat brightens up the colors of the insulation after
good cleaning.  Just make sure that they are clean before spraying or you
can end up with a much less than desirable job.

       For cleaning the connector pins, spades and contacts I use a product
at work called DeoxIT D100L.  It's a connector and contact treatment.  It
improves conductivity, cleans, deoxidizes, seals and protects electrical
connections.  It works on stationary and moving connections with similar or
dissimilar metals.  It's made by Caig Laboratories, 16744 W. Bernardo Dr.,
San Diego, CA. 92127   Tel. (619) 451-1799.
I, in no way, have anything to do with this company but I'm mentioning this
stuff because it has reduced the number of intermittent electrical problems
that I have encountered especially working with low voltage logic circuits.
The nice thing about this stuff is the application which is basically
applying a small drop to the contact surface via a needle like applicator.
So you are able to get down inside of the smallest plugs and recessed
connectors.


  Glenn
  '69 4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:26:02 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Subject: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

I just bought me a new 72, and the ignition key opens the drivers
door lock!!
(The normal key will not even fit)
What give's here, could they get this done on purpose?  My main concern
is that one winter day NO key will open the lock.  (The trunck is also
still opened by the factory lock)?

Any info, as I know little on locks, would be appreciated!

See the new 72 (98) at http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/biggreen.html

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:  Cool homepage of cool cars and cool scenery
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
..............................................................

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:59:12 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster

After click on the return button, when you get a new creen
position the curson at the upper left-hand corner of the
screen and then do a coupl of enters.  This will push the
original message down, then you can move back up to the top
and write your reply.  This way everyone sees your reply
first.  If they are reading it, they probably already know
what the original message said.  If they don't, then they
can read it below.

Hope this helps.

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> Isnt working, all that happens is you get the format mail
> screen........Bernie

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:07:27 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

425 will outrev 455. More rpm more HP

- ----------
> From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
> Date: Saturday, September 20, 1997 2:35 AM
>
>
>
> ----------
> > From: Rod Beydler <rodsmobile@MSCOMM.COM>
> >
> >
> > Yes, there is no replacement for displacement. That's very true on the
> > street, but at the digs horsepower is a product of rpm and torque.
> >
> More displacement more torque.
>
> Daren

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:40:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: Re: Responses on Top Makes Reading Messages Easier/Faster

test

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:58:30 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Anyone know if the heater controls in a '78 Delta are illuminated at
> night? I assume they would be, and mine aren't, so I thought I had a bad
> bulb. But looking in the manual, they don't mention that they have a lamp
> there, let alone what kind of bulb you'd need. Any ideas?

My '78 Ninety Eight with Tempmatic had a light for the temp. controls.
It was at the opposite end of the blower switch.  Don't remember what
type of bulb it had, that was 12 years ago.  But its easy to replace.
Remove the two screws that hold that side of the dash on.  They're up
under that recessed part.  Remove the lighter and radio knobs.  Now grab
hold of the face of the dash and pull.  Should come right off.  Remove
the temp control and replace the bulb, I had to be mindful of the vacuum
hoses but you shouldn't have to worry about that.  Reverser procedure to
re-install.

Here's a hint.  I think your wiper switch should light up too.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:59:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: aol blows, need help

America Offline just bought Compuserve so you are right back in the same
boat, huh?

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:09:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '78 Delta - Parts Request

If any of you guys are junkyarding and find a '77 - '79 Delta, I have a
request for you.

On these cars there were (I think) 4 possibilities for the center portion
of the dash -- the plastic chrome and woodgrain piece that surrounds the
center dash vent, the heater controls, the clock, etc. The possibilities
varied because of the location of the rear defogger, cruise and (I think)
tailgate window controls on the lower right corner of this area. I
actually saw one today with no opening for any of these things because it
had no options. I have seen many with an opening sized for a single
switch. Mine has a bigger opening because it has 2 switches. And I presume
there are some wagons that have an even bigger opening because they could
have all three switches. All of them look like specific pieces because the
opening has a chrome line around it, so I don't think they just cut it to
size depending on what was installed. Around 1980 the cruise switch left
that part of the dash and none of the ones of that vintage I've seen seem
to have the same opening as mine. I haven't seen any 81 and up wagons
though, so one of those with a rear defroster and power tailgate window
might be a candidate.

Anyway, on mine a previous owner had apparently put a decal on the center
section over a section of the fake woodgrain, then tried to remove it.
Either the glue or a solvent they used removed not only what was there,
but some of the woodgrain as well. Not a big problem, but if I ever came
across one of these pieces with the 2-switch size opening I'd replace it.
Haven't found one yet here, but if anyone comes across one in good shape
let me know. It shouldn't be a big deal to get it out -- 2 screws under
the ledge have to come out, then it's just some clips that you overcome
by jiggling it to remove the whole piece. TIA...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:14:19 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> Here's a hint.  I think your wiper switch should light up too.

Yeah, I noticed that in the manual too. Naturally, mine doesn't. :(

I went to the parts store this afternoon with a list of bulbs as per the
manual. Here's one for you: the accessory switches (cruise, defog, etc)
are floodlit with a ª756 bulb according to the book. According to the
parts guy, there isn't any such thing. He even called his warehouse to
check, they never heard of it. They are doing a search for me, all for a
99 cent bulb. Anyone ever see a ª756?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:15:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: MCC on-line voting(olds related)

In a message dated 97-09-20 00:53:34 EDT, you write:

<<  I'm going to submit it -
 just for the heck of it & to show the world just WHAT a Delta 88 is. >>

     Guess i'll have to send a couple shots of my '66 4 dr DELTA to show them
too!!!

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:19:28 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

Isn't that a radio-type bulb?  One contact with the two knobs towards
the bottom.  Sounds like something that could be used in the ashtray
too.

Paul

Trying this reply-on-the-top thing, but now my sig. file's on the bottom
:(

> I went to the parts store this afternoon with a list of bulbs as per the
> manual. Here's one for you: the accessory switches (cruise, defog, etc)
> are floodlit with a ª756 bulb according to the book. According to the
> parts guy, there isn't any such thing. He even called his warehouse to
> check, they never heard of it. They are doing a search for me, all for a
> 99 cent bulb. Anyone ever see a ª756?
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:26:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)

In a message dated 97-09-20 10:11:31 EDT, you write:

<< On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
 > 1) In the lifter bore galley, there was a metal "tray" (for lack of a
better
 > term) that bolted to the top of the block, in between the lifter bores,
and
 > it covered the opening that exposes the camshaft.  This was just a suprise
to
 > find.  Looks stock, is it just to keep crap off the cam, and give
sufficient
 > oil drainback?

 I found one of these last year in my 350 also. Since I was replacing the
 intake gaskets with the big turkey tray style it didn't go back in (they
 can't coexist). I dunno what purpose it serves but the engine doesn't
 seem to mind not having it.

 Greg Beaulieu >>

That's interesting since the engine had this part, and also had the intake
"pan" (turkey tray) in it.  Maybe it has something to do with the 350 having
a shorter deck height, etc.?  I dunno....  it was interesting to find in
there.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:30:30 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I went to the parts store this afternoon with a list of bulbs as per the
> manual. Here's one for you: the accessory switches (cruise, defog, etc)
> are floodlit with a ª756 bulb according to the book. According to the
> parts guy, there isn't any such thing. He even called his warehouse to
> check, they never heard of it. They are doing a search for me, all for a
> 99 cent bulb. Anyone ever see a ª756?

Greg

I researched this a little more.  Where did you come with ª756?  I think
that's the number for the bulb that lights up the little orange light in
the switch, not the flood light.  My '78 owners manual says the Cruise
Control Switch uses ª1895.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:34:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: My 455 ª's (block ID's)

In a message dated 97-09-20 10:11:32 EDT, you write:

<< >On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
 >> 1) In the lifter bore galley, there was a metal "tray" (for lack of a
better
 >> term) that bolted to the top of the block, in between the lifter bores,
and
 >> it covered the opening that exposes the camshaft.  This was just a
suprise to
 >> find.  Looks stock, is it just to keep crap off the cam, and give
sufficient
 >> oil drainback?
 >
 >I found one of these last year in my 350 also. Since I was replacing the
 >intake gaskets with the big turkey tray style it didn't go back in (they
 >can't coexist). I dunno what purpose it serves but the engine doesn't
 >seem to mind not having it.
 >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
 >
   Hi, i'm not totally sure on this one, i'm still somewhat new, but it
 sounds like it may be there to keep heat away from the intake?
Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu
Josh.. >>

Nope, it's not large enough, nor does it have enough mass to do any good.  It
more-less looks like it is to keep the crap out of the cam/lifters since
there is an opening about 1.0-1.5 inches wide that runs the length of the
lifter valley (except for a few places where there's a "web" between the
sides).  You can see the whole cam pretty much down the block, and I actually
removed a few lifters out through this opening (the stuck ones were pushed
out engouh to slide the cam out, then pushed back in where I could grab them,
and pull them up).  If this is unusual, I can take a pic., and scan it and
put on my webpage.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:44:52 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel Requirements

Really?  I thought that the U.S. Gov't had banned all leaded
gasolines...I guess I'm wrong.

Will leaded hurt?  Yes and no.  Do you have a catalytic on the '72?  If
so, the lead will build up in it, plug it up, and destroy your power and
gas mileage...not to mention killing the catty in the process.  Lead
will promote exhaust corrosion as well, but only after years and years
of use.

Lead works wonders inside an engine, though.  Lead acts as an anit-knock
substance, allowing for use in high compression engines.  Your 350 is
likely 8.5 or 9.0:1 compression, and should run fine on regular
unleaded, and doesn't require a high-test fuel.

Lead is a good lubricant as well.  The extra lubrication helps keep the
valves quiet, and lubes the upper-cylinder as well, which can reduce
sticking oil control rings, and so on.

Remember this...if leaded gas was so good, why did they get rid of it?
Number one, the emissions were awful.  Number two, car owners were
noticing small side effects, such as severe plug fouling, and the
exhaust corrosion.  But if you have a catalytic converter, stay away
from leaded...it'll **** it up real good.

S. Dave Ward

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)  =>  now street legal!
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)  =>  daily driver, until now
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)  =>  back-up vehicle when the '85 won't go

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:51:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

In a message dated 97-09-19 14:35:21 EDT, you write:

<<
 81 cutlass, race only, 3200ª, ladder bar, 9", spool, good gears and
 converter, tubbed, 2x3 frame with cage, target  et low 11's, 10K budget.

 ----------
  >>

You're going to keep us informed of how this prject turns out, right?  Sounds
interesting.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:56:50 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta Dash Lights

Hi Greg,

Have you ever seen the movie (or read the book) "Christine" by Stephen
King?  If you haven't, rent it....that should explain the whole concept
of a haunted car...

Anyway, yes;  the heater/AC panel does have a light in it.  I've only
got two that don't work on the whole car, and I consider myself lucky.
They are the speedo light, and the P R N D S L panel.

My Delta went on the road as of 1:30pm, Friday afternoon.  It's fixed,
finally!  Do you have any use for the original AC/Delco AM/FM/cass.
deck?  I remember you saying something about it, and I'd like to get rid
of it, even if it means throwing it out;  I'll be dropping in a Pioneer
CD deck sometime in the near future...

S. Dave Ward

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:01:30 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>
> I just bought me a new 72, and the ignition key opens the drivers
> door lock!!

This is correct.

> (The normal key will not even fit)

What do you mean by "the normal key"?
You should have a square key that unlocks the doors ~and~ works in the
ignition.  The round key is for the trunk and glove compartment.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:14:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

In a message dated 97-09-20 20:43:00 EDT, you write:

<<
 425 will outrev 455. More rpm more HP

 > From: Daren & Laurie Hendley <daren@revealed.net>
 > > Yes, there is no replacement for displacement. That's very true on the
 > > street, but at the digs horsepower is a product of rpm and torque.
 > >
 > More displacement more torque.
 >
 > Daren
  >>

Yes, the RPM will gain you HP, but the torque is what'll get your car off the
line.  If you've got even a fairly heavy vehicle you want all the torque you
can get, and the 455 has gobs of it.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:30:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

In a message dated 97-09-20 20:43:00 EDT, you write:

<< From:rodsmobile@mscomm.com (Rod Beydler)
 Sender:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 Reply-to:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

 425 will outrev 455. More rpm more HP

 -- >>
Would be great if it was that simple......TIM

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:36:57 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Re: 455 MOTORS 4-SALE UPDATE

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-09-19 20:14:41 EDT, you write:
>
> << Subj:         455 MOTORS 4-SALE UPDATE
>  Date:  97-09-19 20:14:41 EDT
>  From:  tjf26@gte.net (Joe Artwell)
>  Sender:        oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>  Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>  To:    oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>  I SPOKE TO MY NEIGHBOR, FRANK, HIS TELª330-723-2071. IF ANYONE IS
>  INTERESTED GIVE HIM A CALL. HE HAS 3 HE WANTS TO GET RID OF.
>                        JOE
>
>  1971 442
>   >>
> What state would that be???...TIM
Medina, Ohio

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 22:39:59 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: '78 Delta - Parts Request

Greg Beaulieu writes:
>If any of you guys are junkyarding and find a '77 - '79 Delta, I have a
>request for you.

Well I went junkyarding today for my 87' Custom Cruiser, didn't see
anything older than a 83' in the yard here close to home. I will be going
to another yard soon, I'll be on the lookout. I did have some good finds
today... Here is what $69 buckaroos bought me today:

- - 85' Gage pack for Eighty Eight series cars, I find these to be fairly
rare, are they?
- - Four hubcaps for winter use (the Wires will be cleaned for fair
weather).
- - Rear trim moulding.
- - Front air dam.
- - Column shifter.
- - Hood Emblem.
- - LH/RH front armrest pads.
- - LH/RH rear armrest pads.
- - 1978 Owners manual for 88'/98'/Cutom Cruiser (just found it in a
glovebox).
- - Odometer assembly
- - Four perfect chrome trim pieces (about the door handles).

To my misfortune, the shifter handle was different so I am still on the
lookout for that piece (my end has broken off).


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 11:53:55
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: 12 bolt rear end

i recently purchased a 67 parts car for $75, it has a 12 bolt.  I have no
idea if this is original for the car, or if it is a posi. can anyone help
me to identify what exactly i have?

Chris Matthes
67 C/S
73 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:43:41 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

>Yes, the RPM will gain you HP, but the torque is what'll get your car off the
>line.  If you've got even a fairly heavy vehicle you want all the torque you
>can get, and the 455 has gobs of it.

What is the torque difference between a stock 425 - 455 (say the same year)?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass (Ruby)
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:48:44 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel Requirements

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Wow!  Where is this station!?!  I didn't think it existed for public use
> anymore.  Just curious, how much a gallon?
>
> 1971 and later had the hardened valves.  Ok to use unleaded.  I would
> think it might run better on leaded, (wouldn't hurt the vales either).
>
> What someone else think?
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.
>
> On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com> wrote:
> >Found a station that sells "Regular" leaded fuel. Is there any benefit
> >in using this over unleaded in a 72 350 engine.
> >
> >The owners manual states that 91 or higher octane fuel should be used in
> >the 72.  Any thoughts or comments from the experts out there?
> >
> >Joe
> >72 Cutlass Supreme
> >
I live in Parma Ohio.  The reg is rated at 88 octane and cost me
1.22/gallon which was 3 cents cheaper than the unleaded 87 octane.  I
have heard there is another station in the area that sells it also.  I
dont believe that it is illegal, just illegal to use in cars with
catalytic converters. Not certain though.

Joe
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:00:34 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '67 442 for Sale

The following is from a non-list member - reply to him at his private e-mail

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        SEEN BETTER DAYS.XLNT ORIGINAL BLACK
        UPHOLSTERY.A/T,P/S,P/B,POSI,AM
        RADIO,FACTORY RALLYE WHEELS,INDUCTION
        HOOD,POWER TOP THAT WORKS.XLNT 350
        HORSEPOWER 400 C.I. ENGINE.125,000
        ORIGINAL MILES.HAS BEEN IN STORAGE.NEEDS
        RESTORATION.$3,500.00. 805-772-2968
        E-MAIL:nectar@thegrid.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 22:58:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Cutlass Brake Upgrades

Has anybody installed bigger rear drums onto an A body rear end?
Have seen this done with other makes (European) to improve braking at
moderate cost.
Are 98 or 88 brake drums bigger? Some other GM application that may bolt on?
How about front discs--Is there a bigger set that could be installed
cleanly without major mods?
I love my '69 442 Conv, but I come from a long string of BMW's and Benzes and
the Germans do know brakes. The General doesn't do as well. But I'm hoping to
find some good tricks out there...

Coupe King@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:28:58 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca> wrote:
>I just bought me a new 72, and the ignition key opens the drivers
>door lock!!
>(The normal key will not even fit)

I've seen this before.  Does the key "feel" right when you use it in the
doors? (or do you have to play with it a little?)

I still don't fully understand this, (i'm no expert).  If it works ok and
you feel comfortable with it, leave it as it is.  If the door locks don't
work smoothly, replace both door locks.  Won't cost that much, and their
easy to replace!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 23:14:28 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: MECHANICAL: Ignition key runs door?

I just bought me a new 72, and the ignition key opens the drivers
door lock!!

     You've apparently never owned an old car before.  Up until the
     mid-seventies (?), you got one key which worked the ignition
     and the doors (usually either square or octagonal) and one key
     that worked the trunk/glovebox/console (round or oval).

     I think the change to different keys for the doors and the
     ignition had some sort of anti-theft intent.  Apparently it
     was felt that by requiring two keys to start the car (one to
     unlock the door and one to work the ignition), the car was
     less prone to being stolen.  Obviously, whoever thought this
     up had never heard of the slim jim and the slide hammer!

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 97 23:25:00 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: "Baffled"  (was: My 455 ª's (block ID's))

<< On Thu, 18 Sep 1997 CRuper1@aol.com wrote:

> 1) In the lifter bore galley, there was a metal "tray" (for lack of a better
> term) that bolted to the top of the block, in between the lifter bores, and
> it covered the opening that exposes the camshaft.

     Chris,

     You are referring to part number 391116, Baffle, Intake Manifold Oil.
     This was used on every big block Olds from at least 1966 on.  It is a
     stamped sheet metal part, about an inch or so wide, and is retained
     with two hex-head screws.  The purpose is to prevent oil from directly
     splashing up from the cam.  Note that big blocks have a large opening
     in the casting above the cam, while small blocks do not.  This baffle
     _was_ used in conjunction with the sheet metal intake gasket.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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