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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 23 1997     Volume 01 : Number 864



Re: 84 98
Re: American?
Tranny Ratios
Re: American? WHO CARES!!!
Re: American?
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: American? WHO CARES!!!
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: Body Bushing Interchange
RE: 84 98
Re: American?
Re: 67' 442 model from Lindberg
RE: Eastwood stuff
Re: Responses on Top
Re: American?
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª863
Re: `70 442 vs W-30
65 442 console
Re: 70 Cutlass S Grilles
Re: New on list with questions
Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88
Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88
Re: Responses on Top
Re: 84 98
Re: 84 98
Re: American? WHO CARES!!!
Mondello?
455 heads.....
Re: New on list with questions
Need 4 speed parts??  was Re: 4 spd/ turbo 400 swap help
Re: In Search of a new gas tank
Re: Olds for sale and Free Olds
Hello?
Re: 70 Cutlass S Grilles
72 stripe colors
67 Convert, Toro, 48 Olds Hotrod and misc catch-up stuff
Re: New on list with questions
Re: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88
Sunvisors Wanted for 72 Cutlass
Re: rebuilding olds 403
UNBOUNCE: Block ID
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
RE: UNBOUNCE: Block ID

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:27:04 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 84 98

I have a line on a really nice 1984 98regency.  Here are the things
wrong with
> it.

About the only other thing I see wrong is that your name isn't on the
title yet.  If the car is in really nice shape otherwise, you can get
replacement parts for the seat, and it may just be some vacuum hose or
diaphragm/damper positioning problems for the heater.  If it's a good
runner, you can't beat the ride of the 98.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:37:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: American?

In a message dated 97-09-22 21:58:19 EDT, you write:

<< Hey Now! Let's not start a war, please. I've seen this happen on other
 mailing lists. Somebody says something harmlees, somebody takes it the
 wrong way and verbal abuse starts happening. A list I was on was shut
 down for that very reason.
  >>
Hello to all,
 Im not upset at anyones opinions, not mad etc, after all it was just a ques,
i dont hold anything against Canada, although there were canadian flagged
freighter in haipong harbor in n. vietnam.
 I still would rather see americans w/jobs, ok and canadians, than no work
because greedy CEO's go elsewhere just for cheap labor, and they dont lower
their prices in doing so, and if the japs want to give us decent paying work,
using some amer. prts
whats wrong with that??
Bernie...ROCKET POWER....ROCKET OLDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:38:09 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Tranny Ratios

I promise, guys...LAST question for tonight...

I'm just sitting here playing with StripTun and would like to know that the
tranny ratios are for my AT-200.  I don't see them anywhere in the Olds FAQ.
Are the ratios the same as the 200-R4, just without an overdrive, or are they
actually closer to a THM-350?  Thanks again...

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:42:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: American? WHO CARES!!!

In a message dated 97-09-22 20:59:57 EDT, you write:

<<  Happy Rocketeering to all.....
 BERNIE      rcktpwr@aol.com >>

Since the new Olds does not carry that Rocket, and since this list deals
with old Olds's I dont really care what new cars are made where or how.
They are overpriced depreciators and I have absolutely no desire spending
that kind of money only to have it lose in value the first year what a decent

442 driver would cost complete.  Sorry but until they all realize that the
term
"dispesible income" does not apply to the masses and that they are one
of the causes of the 2 income family, i will not particate in this charade.
I do love cars like the Aurora but unless money becomes meaningless I
will not buy new......Just My Opinion.....TIM

PS My neighbor said to me one time, "why do you have a car that has to
sit in the garage all winter?"  and I think my answer had something to do
with the fact that the car goes into the garage in the fall and come back out
in the spring WORTH MORE.  He had to think on that.......

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:43:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: American?

my moms 82 grenada that i got her to sell for a 95 Olds Cutlass Ceira, didnt
have any rust on the rear qts, etc, and i live in new(salt) jersey!!
hoser, eh!!
Bernie.......

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:37:50 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

> > > Even though I replaced almost the entire brake system, the BRAKE light
> > > stays on.  I can't figure out why!

I'm not claiming brake expertise here, not knowing the brake system
particulars on the D88, but the proportioning valve has a spool in it
that will activate the light if differential pressure is too great
between the front and rear.  I'm not sure on this one, but I believe
some valves have a rubber "reset" button on them or something like that.

It could have very well happened while bleeding the brakes, one side
felt a lot more pressure than the other which caused the spool to shift,
turning on the light.  Haven't researched this, but it's just some
ideas.
2 cents
Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: American? WHO CARES!!!

In a message dated 97-09-22 20:59:57 EDT, you write:

<<  Happy Rocketeering to all.....
 BERNIE      rcktpwr@aol.com >>

Since the new Olds does not carry that Rocket, and since this list deals
with old Olds's I dont really care what new cars are made where or how.
They are overpriced depreciators and I have absolutely no desire spending
that kind of money only to have it lose in value the first year what a decent

442 driver would cost complete.  Sorry but until they all realize that the
term
"dispesible income" does not apply to the masses and that they are one
of the causes of the 2 income family, i will not particate in this charade.
I do love cars like the Aurora but unless money becomes meaningless I
will not buy new......Just My Opinion.....TIM

PS My neighbor said to me one time, "why do you have a car that has to
sit in the garage all winter?"  and I think my answer had something to do
with the fact that the car goes into the garage in the fall and come back out
in the spring WORTH MORE.  He had to think on that.......

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:49:36 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician wrote:

> Ditto, I had the same thing happen, did a COMPLETE, and I do mean
> COMPLETE brake job, replaced everything, lines, rotors, cables, pads,
> shoes, master cylinder, and of all the dumb *ss things I didn't
> check, the wiring. I have a 78 Delta 88, not sure what year yours is.

Yep, you got it;  it's a 4 dr. 1978 Delta 88, red on red.  My brake
system was given a serious overhaul last week;  new calipers, flex
lines, steel lines (f+r), rotors, pads, wheel cyl.'s, drums, shoes, and
a new spring kit.  The only real mistake I made was not buying a bottle
of anti-squeal silicone, so none was applied...there wasn't a little
tube in the box, either :o(

I don't like the fact that it's a dual-purpose light...the emerg. brake
can set it off, as well as a loss in hydraulic pressure.  THAT'S why I'm
a little worried about it;  like I said, I don't want to go screaming
into a corner, throw out the anchors, and have no hydraulic pressure...

How did you remedy this with your Delta?  The quick way? (such as pull
off the panel, snip the wires)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
> Highland Community College
> Phone (815) 235-6121
> Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
> -------------------------------------------------------
> "Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:53:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: Body Bushing Interchange

In a message dated 97-09-22 16:04:19 EDT, you write:

> I want to replace the body mount bushings on my '69 Cutlass convertible.  I
>  have a Chevelle catalog from a major distributor (who does not handle
>  Cutlass) showing Chevelle bushings for about 30% less than any of my
>  Oldmosible catalogs.
>
>  Does anyone know if they are compatible?
>
>  Lloyd Ferguson
>  cutlass69@usa.net

Lloyd, I believe the bushings should interchange.  I think all of the other
suspension components interchange.

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (LG4 305, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:51:13 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: 84 98

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fubared, but from my experience from used cars is, someone goes and

'fubared'...isn't that Spanish in origin, not English.  So would that word be
made in Spain, not Lansing.........

Just had to say it...:-)

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu


- -----Original Message-----
From:Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician [SMTP:KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us]
Sent:Monday, September 22, 1997 10:26 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: 84 98

>
> Air and heat don't work blows outside temp for both.  Any Clues?
>
Check the heater hose that goes into the dash and out of the dash
from the engine compartment, if these are on wrong, thats all you get
is fresh air return. Or, its also possible the heater core is
fubared, but from my experience from used cars is, someone goes and
changes the hoses thinking there doing good, and get those two mixed
up.


- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:57:06 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: American?

 My Plant in Indiana ships over $100 million in auto parts to those Canadian
plants. These are American jobs for 800 people that would stop RIGHT NOW if
there was a strike or whatever at the CA plants. We aren't the only ones.
Figure out the jobs US parts support for the CA plants for American cars
then compare to the Japanese plnts. They find reson after reason not to
source US companies and even when they do source locally, they still give
the business to their traditional "Keiretsu" suppliers, that they demand
relocate to the US. The $ still go back to Japan.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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From: RCKTPWR@aol.com <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: American?



>In a message dated 97-09-22 20:12:38 EDT, you write:
>
><< Out of curiosity is there a reason you don't type complete words like us
> Americans?
>
> Daren
>  >>
>hi Daren,
> the typing part?? well im a lazy american.....2nd im not defending the
japs,
>and i dont care about mitsu..makers of the ww2 zero, there hq in ww2
>was...hiroshima,
> Im just saying that my TN built nissan is supporting hardworking families,
>not greedy bast. corp CEO's. I wish olds would have kept the work here, not
>canada,
>but i still love the car.(86 Cutlass Salon)
>>no offense to my canadian olds friends......
>Bernie.........USAF..83-87..travis afb ca
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:10:28 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 67' 442 model from Lindberg

At 08:54 PM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Can someone that has one (or two) of these please provide the Lindberg
>p/n?
>--
>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>

Kurt

        THe kit number is Lindberg ª72171.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 03:11:18 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: RE: Eastwood stuff

>but they just cancelled their olds 400 bronze paint
>- ----------
>And their Olds blue is discontinued!!
>
>Anyone interested in semi-gloss black and grey aerosol paint (and other
>colors) that has a built in primer (that really stops and prevents rust
>surface rust) for the same price or less than Eastwood? An opportunity
>is presenting itself and I would like to get some feedback. Should I
>post more info?

No, Dave, please keep us in the dark...


;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:13:05 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Responses on Top

> My approach works nice when you have already read the original
> headers and messages, which is normally the case, isn't it??

Operative word: 'normally'.  Well, it would be fine, if some people had
their computers on the correct time.  Sometimes, the responses are
listed first BEFORE I ever see the original message as I scroll down the
message list.  Then I'm reading someone's response without even knowing
the question/issue. Corn-fusing.  Again, if people would just cut all
the FAT out of some of the messages they reply to, then it would be
better, regardless of who's on top.....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:22:30 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Re: American?

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> my moms 82 grenada that i got her to sell for a 95 Olds Cutlass Ceira, didnt
> have any rust on the rear qts, etc, and i live in new(salt) jersey!!
> hoser, eh!!
> Bernie.......

Consider yourself one of the lucky ones, then; my father had a '72 F*rd
Galaxy.  He bought it brand new, and it was supposed to have this really
good anti-corrosion sealant on it...inside of four years it needed two
new doorskins and a a rear quarter panel, not to mention enough
fiberglass to build a canoe with...

But then again, we're not here to talk about F*rds, are we?

How's this one?  F**kin'
 Old
 Rusted
 Dodge

Dave

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:25:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª863

get mondellos tech book and catalog for the $33 bucks and get dick millers
catalog(free to oca members) and a summit and jegs catalogs.  use m and dm
catalogs and tech for info and part ªs, then order it thru summit or jegs.

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:36:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Re: `70 442 vs W-30

What if you had a `70 442 with the W-25 option and when you rebuilt the
engine you made some modifications, would you be able to enhance its
performance to a W-30 level? Like a better cam, aftermarket aluminum intake
manifold, headers and things of that sort.

Thanks again, Jamie

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:45:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 65 442 console

Subject: 65 442 console

Just sign on. Need info on whether or not 65 442 - 4spd car had console as
standard or optional equipment. Need immediate help on this.

Harvey Shaw
bowtie911@aol.com
^^^^^^^^^========

Need diferent email address, too! *snort*
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:46:49 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass S Grilles

Paul

        We have a set that is in decent shape. The passenger side is real
nice and the drivers side has had some small cracks (not broken) areas
repaired. The lip that goes behind the hood tongue is missing on the drivers
side though. They are $75.00 plus shipping for the pair.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
(757) 474-0869

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:43:16 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: New on list with questions

First off, Welcome to the Olds list.

> I also followed the string
> about BROTHERS AUTO and the "motor mount" saga where Steve Kenny says there
> is a difference.

Yes, if you go with the big block frame mounts you must go with the big
block motor mounts.  Of course, if you go with the 350 frame mounts, you
gotta use 350 block mounts, but they will physically fit.  I've used
both styles over the years on 455's, and never had any clearance
problems.

> My second question is about changing to HEI conversion.

I haven't done this in so long, I can't remember off hand how this is
done.  Don't quote me on this, but something about one of the wires, I
think the "R" wire to the solenoid, can be removed, since it isn't
needed, but as far as a resistance wire being needed, I never did any of
that.  And having a battery supply to the HEI too.  That's about it.
Anyone else care to help? RC?

> My third question for now is about converting the old external regulated
> alternator to an all enclosed one, again no info in the FAQs.

Never done it, but I think someone makes a kit just for this purpose.
>
> The motor is a F block with C heads (would these be the big valves?)
> ª on filler tube 9187319. I thought there was suppose to be a letter in this
> sequence?

455.  Most all the C heads had the big valves. Pretty good heads out of
the box.  The filler tube year is the first number, the last 6 is an
ENGINE UNIT NUMBER, pretty meaningless for restoration purposes, since
it really has nothing to do with the car body ªs.  The two letter code
you refer to was on a paper tape right above the Engine Unit Number.
This is usually long gone, but replacements are available.

> ª on right head, front 34M280766

Actually, it's on the block pad UNDER the left (driver's side) head.
Your engine came out of a 74 Oldsmobile, unless the 34 should really be
a 39.  The 3 is Olds, the year follows, then the manufacturing plant,
M-Lansing, then the last 6 of the VIN the engine was stuck in.

Anyone else care to join in on helping with the questions?  My brain is
fried right now, and I'm too tired to look any of this stuff up.  Just
going off the top of my head....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:58:31 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 2 part on Dynamic 88

> > There is a '63 (?) 4 door for sale in Chinook MT,
> >
> >              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>
> This has got to by a first. An Olds for sale in Montana and Charley hasn't
> bought it.

.........Yet  ;)

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             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:18:09 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Idiot lights on Delta 88

> Yep, you got it;  it's a 4 dr. 1978 Delta 88, red on red.  My brake
> system was given a serious overhaul last week;  new calipers, flex
> lines, steel lines (f+r), rotors, pads, wheel cyl.'s, drums, shoes, and
> a new spring kit.  The only real mistake I made was not buying a bottle
> of anti-squeal silicone, so none was applied...there wasn't a little
> tube in the box, either :o(

Same Sh*t, diffent day...:)

>
> I don't like the fact that it's a dual-purpose light...the emerg. brake
> can set it off, as well as a loss in hydraulic pressure.  THAT'S why I'm
> a little worried about it;  like I said, I don't want to go screaming
> into a corner, throw out the anchors, and have no hydraulic pressure...

LOL, yea, thats kinda why I did the COMPLETE brake overhaul, only to
find that was the problem, well, I was still have good brakes, to bad
I blew the motor with that Cam.....thats a different story...

>
> How did you remedy this with your Delta?  The quick way? (such as pull
> off the panel, snip the wires)

jigled the wires a bit when I was checking the fuse box and my dad
noticed the light went out when I jiggled it, so, I pressed firmly on
all the wires and them electric taped them together so it had more
pressure on the connections, still seems to work, If this doesn't
work, I suppose you could go to the junkyard and snip the wire and
replace it, but I really don't know what just snipping the wires may
do, you might actually need that light someday, or worse yet, that
switch may be somehow linked to your brake lights or something. :)

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:19:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Responses on Top

I COMPLETELY AGREE!!!!
To see what it is that I agree with please scroll down.....











In a message dated 97-09-22 23:06:27 EDT, you write:

<< > Gary,
 >
 > I hate to see message responses at the top.  It's like listening to a
 > conversation backwards, or reading a book from the back to the front.  It
 > makes no sense to me.  I've tried it, and I DON'T like it.
 > >>

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:20:57 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: 84 98

> diaphragm/damper positioning problems for the heater.  If it's a
good > runner, you can't beat the ride of the 98.
>
> Mike Rothe
>
I agree, I have a 75 98, smooth as silk....fun options too, look at
all those buttons.....:)


- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:17:27 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 84 98

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> fubared, but from my experience from used cars is, someone goes and
>
> 'fubared'...isn't that Spanish in origin, not English.  So would that word be
made in Spain, not Lansing.........

Actually, it's "FUBAR'd" I believe.  If anyone needs to know what it
~stands~ for, let me know.  I'll give a hint, the last four words are
"Up Beyond All Recognition(or Repair, depending on context)"  I'm sure
you can figure out the first one.  And I don't believe it is Spanish,
either, odds are it originated in Dearborn ;)

As for the heater, I'd say it's likely a vacuum hose unhooked.  Most
often, the vacuum canister is the fault, which can be found nearly
anywhere under the hood ;(  Follow lines, I guess.  I'm not at all
familiar with the underhood area of the mid 80's  98's.  The idea that
the heater hoses are switched is unlikely, since there are no
~directional flow~ controls inside the heater core.  It doesn't care
which way the water goes through it, as long as it's flowing.  One
direction may be a bit more effective in some circumstances, but I
highly doubt you'll notice such a major difference (i.e.
nonfunctionality).  I guess, look for a pink or a grey ~plastic~ vacuum
line under the hood.  Seems to me the pink one goes to the vacuum
reservoir/canister (usually at the header panel, but I've seen them on
the firewall and fenderwells, too)  and usually enters the cab on the
pass. fender near the heater fan assembly.  Like I said, I'm not
familiar with the 98's, so I'm just pulling out painful childhood
memories from my brain.  The grey one goes to the heater control valve,
which on ~my~ Cutlasses mounts directly to the back of the intake on the
pass side.  I've seen other variances, though, so you might find
different stuff under your hood.

As for the seat, I'd say it's a stripped out clutch tooth thing in the
transmission assembly of the motor.  These are rebuildable, but I've
never seen parts for them before (Of course, I've never looked,
either...  Anyone know?  Anyone familiar with these assemblies at all?)
I took one apart to see how it worked (moreso why it ~didn't~ work;) and
came to the conclusion that one of the plastic gears was ~FUBAR'd~
(FOO'--bard:  Adj.  Dearborn MI, 1964)  As I recall, each of these gears
acted as a clutch with three individual solenoids running them.  You
might check to see if one of the cables just came unhooked.  That would
cause one side to lock up, also.  Shouldn't have much trouble finding
junkyard replacements, though.  They're fairly plentiful.

It does sound like a decent car, though (it's Olds, that's a dead
giveaway there;)  If it runs and drives well, I'd say it's well worth
it.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:24:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: ROKMORT@aol.com
Subject: Re: American? WHO CARES!!!

Dear Olds group,
   I own two 58 Oldsmobile Super 88's so I feel right at home with you all!,
thank you, even though I just recently joined.
   The problem with new cars is just this:  They are designed to wear out!
From the paint to the plastics to the metallurgy of the engine's internal
parts to the wheel bearings and the window and seat motors ... No
matter where you look, the parts have been designed to fail after a specified
number of uses or a given length of time.  Compare this design philosophy
with that of the fifties and sixties, where everything was built to last
forever.
   Another devious trick automobile manufacturer have bestowed upon the
buyers is to design the car so that maintenance is costly, and repairs are
usually beyond the capability of most people.
  Finally, the cars are designed to be as throw-away as a used condom.
If ever in a wreck, the car is supposed to crumple, by design, to protect
the passengers.  Very clever way to sell new cars!  All in the guise of
passenger
safety.
   My 58 Olds is easy to do almost any repair, it if is in an accident, just
walk away and see about replacing a bumper, maybe a fender too, not
going out to replace a $20,000 to $30,000 car.

   My next grievance is against the insurance companies. All logic dictates
that it is the driver should be insured, not the cars, themselves.  I will
believe
this until the day I'm gone, or when I see one driver driving two cars at the
same
time, whichever comes first!

   If the insurance is an absolutely necessary, why not abolish the insurance
companies and make it non profit?  Anyone ever go to an Insurance company
corporate office?  As fancy as a Las Vegas casino!  And all the men wear $500
suits, and ladies dress so lavishly!  We are talking about paper shufflers
here!
Insurance companies don't do anything else, they take in huge amounts of
money and reluctantly return a small part of it to the unfortunate among us
who have an accident but fortunate enough to be covered.  Their main problem
they work on constantly is how to invest all their loot!

  Ok, so I just took on two of America's institutions... Anyone want to know
what I think about the Telephone company?  or Cable TV?  If ya do,
email me and I'll write another letter to the group

Sincerely, Michael J. Morton

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:19:05 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Mondello?

>Some of you own the Mondello V8 Tech/Ref manual and parts catalogue.
>How good are these/will I be able to put them to good use? Some of you
>must know, I've heard about the 20-22(?) cam and what not.

Well, I've found the tech guide to be very helpful, despite some
inaccuracies/faults. The parts catalog is also useful, if expensive (I've
got to pay to find out if I can buy some things?). I judge the usefulness of
a book by how greasy it is; my Mondello tech guide has a *lot* of greasy
fingerprints all over it!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:19:03 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: 455 heads.....

>
>- --
>University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>Senior in Civil Engineering with emphasis in Transportation/Municipal
>I am from Green Bay, Wisconsin.....graduated from GB Southwest in 1990
>I also have another e-mail account....satan@watt.cae.uwm.edu
>"FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, WE SOLUTE YOU"

Um, ok, great...

So what about 455 heads?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 04:19:07 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: New on list with questions

>I bought my 68 Cutlass S in 1979 it was black with the green :-( interior
[snip]
>My second question is about changing to HEI conversion. I searched the FAQs
>but didn't find the detailed information I need. I understand the resister
>wire from the ignition switch should be changed. What do I do with the
>"other" wire, I think it goes to the started solenoid now. I also remember

A cheap way out is just to tape off that wire at the distributor. The best
way to do it is to disconnect it from the "R" terminal on the solenoid, and
remove it along with the entire resistor wire from the wiring harness
connector, replacing it with a non-resistor wire from a later HEI car, using
the factory-style connector into the wiring harness (not too hard at all).

>My last question is about identification. I would like to know a little
>about the car and the new 455.
[snip]
>MOTOR
>The motor is a F block with C heads (would these be the big valves?)

May or may not be; if it's from a big-car, probably not.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:25:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Need 4 speed parts??  was Re: 4 spd/ turbo 400 swap help

> What is broken on your 4 spd?  I have a 69 S 350 4-bbl 4-spd that fourth
> gear syncro is out on and have been looking for the appropriate pieces
> reasonably priced (is this really possible?).  If you junk out the
> trans, would these parts be good?  Just curious about that and if the
> trans is interchangeable with mine.  If you don't make the switch, sorry
> to bother you.  Either way good luck with yours.


For all you guys looking for 4 speed parts, you might try giving
Harrys Manual Transmission shop in Denver a call.  About 4 years ago I was
looking for a new second gear, synchro, slider assy. for a T-85 3 speed
overdrive gearbox (and all guys with GM trannys think it's hard to find
parts for your trannys!!) Anyway, he had all that stuff *new* off the
shelf for $90, plus he threw in a gasket, springs and some other goodies
for free.  Only catch--he won't take credit, and dosn't ship anything.
(the phrase "Cash and carry with Harry!" seems to stick out in my mind)
Maybe a member in Denver could check it out for you, and ship whatever you
need.  I don't have the number handy, or I'd post it too.  Anyway, hope
this helps...

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:24:24 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: In Search of a new gas tank

Kevin O'Brien wrote:
>
> MiLit... wrote:
> > While on the freeway today, my '68 Delmont was assaulted by a piece of
> > retread off the truck in front of me, creating a large gash in the fuel
> > tank.  Does anyone know a good source for a new tank?  The car has a
> > rear (license plate) filler tube.

If you get ~really~ desparate, I think there's still one in Havre.  I
doubt ~I'll~ have any time to address it the next time I get up there
(some of the list members are familiar with that situation...) but I can
inquire about it, at least.  I don't know if that place ships out parts
though.  I'd mentioned it once and never got much of a straight answer,
but at any rate, I think there's one there that'd work in a pinch.  I'm
not sure if it's 68, but I ~think~ it is.  I used to have a pic of the
car on my web page, I might try finding it again and let you look, if
you want.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:28:37 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Olds for sale and Free Olds

Uhh--Oh....   Somebody ~p-p-p-pplease~ jump on this one!  I ~really~
don't want to have to drive ~all~ that way!!!  ª$%@!!!


> '64 88 FREE to a home that will put it back together. I talked to the guy
> last monday and the story is: The car was bought new by his dad then given
> to him, then his son who took it to his high school auto shop class and it
> was disassembled and not put back together by the end of the school year so
> he now has a car in pieces. I wasn't able to get much info from him about
> the car (he didn't have time when I called him) but he took my number and
> said he will call me some time next week. He made it very clear that he
> will not part the car out and doesn't want to give to somebody that will
> part it. 309-526-8441 (Orion? Il.) This is all that I know at this time.
>
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: 22 Sep 1997 21:06:58 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Hello?

Hello, is anyone out ther?  I haven't recieved a digest, actually NO
internet email for 4 days..

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:13:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass S Grilles

In a message dated 97-09-21 23:58:45 EDT, you write:

> I think I
>  may know where I can get my hands on a real decent pair of either 70 442
>  or Cutlass grilles.

Great!  I'm crossing my fingers.  I would really like to have the original
"S" grilles though.  Thanks for checking.

Paul Pate
Mechanical Design Engineer
Port Neches, Texas
70 Cutlass S (350-4V, TH-350, 12-bolt 3.08)
84 Camaro (LG4 305, TH-700, 10-bolt 3.08)

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:08:10 -0700
From: Al Sutton <alsutton@sprint.ca>
Subject: 72 stripe colors

I am repainting the trunk of my 72 W-30 convert. Looking for paint ª's/codes
etc.. for the "white trim"

Help appreciated, Al

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:02:54 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 67 Convert, Toro, 48 Olds Hotrod and misc catch-up stuff

Well, I don't get much free time anymore, and many of you probably
noticed that my postings usually show up occasionally, and many at at
time...  This is one of those times.  I've been working two jobs
(couldn't pass up the extra Oldsmobile $$$, ya know) and it keeps me
busy on average 14 hours a day.  Gets tiring, but not too bad.  Usually
I read my mail over the lunch hour, and usually while peering over the
crown of a Hardee's something-or-other (They're right across the parking
lot here;)  So anyway, that's that, and now you know why :)

Met Travis Adams last week, but didn't get much of a chance to talk with
him.  (Sorry Travis!)  He was just passing through and I was kinda
swamped (he caught me coming up for air!) but we both got faces to go
with names, now at least.  He passes though here every so often, I
guess, so maybe we'll be able to get together again sometime...  There's
another list member down here, too.  (some of you may remember a ~brawl~
between him and his wife regarding an air conditioning problem :)
Fairly amusing---To us ~single~ folks...  Haven't seen much of him on
the list since then, though.  He is still alive, though.

Saw a show today on Speedvision (a satellite network) called American
Hot Rodder.  Had a feature about Arthur Washburn's (anyone know him???)
48 Olds that had been customized etc...  Sat on a 74 Buick frame, with a
Buick 455.  Looked pretty sweet.

(We have sat. TV running constantly in the store, so I get to see
~parts~ of the outside world during the week.... :)

Hauled one of my 81 Cutlass parts cars up to the farm this weekend.
Pulled it with the Rockit.  Did the job quite well.  Parts car had full
trunk, and empty engine compartment.  Never heated up, and only had to
add two quarts of oil in the 120 miles I towed it. (only!!!)  Cleaned
the plugs in the Rockit (for the trip)  At least three of them had the
gaps smashed shut from carbon!  Ran a couple pints of sea foam through
the intake, don't know if it helped or not.  Anyway, I traded for my
parent's pickup again, and went for my Convertible finally ('67 Ninety
Eight)  Got to Havre Saturday evening and watched the last two heats of
their Demo Derby.  I was supposed to meet a friend who was running in
the Herby-Derby.  His shift linkage had some severe problems, and it
wouldn't stay in reverse *(something of a problem in a derby!)  So, he
finally took it upon himself to use the front of the car, as hard as he
could.  Which caused a really crowd pleasing crunch, which quickly
killed his car, and made him the first one out of the heat.  Oops.  It
was an early 70's Renault Station wagon.  I hauled it to his house for
him.  This car (I'm ~not~ making this up, either!) used to belong to the
bass player from Pearl Jam.  So here's my shot at glory:  I had Pearl
Jam's bass player's old car on ~my~ trailer!  I think that should mean
something!! :)  I told Rob he should sell the car to some die-hard Pearl
Jam fan, probably get good $$$ for it.  Even more if he got it to run
again!  :)  (Anyone want his e-mail address?)  (Pearl Jam's bass player
grew up in Big Sandy MT, 30 miles from Havre.  A friend of mine used to
jam with him as kids...  Before his days of fame.  If I were a ~true~
fan, I'd even know the guy's name, but I'm not....)

Anyway, we dropped that car off, and went for my ragtop.  Which
describes that roof perfectly, you could say.  The car filled up the
trailer perfectly.  Made me glad I opted for that extra two feet when I
got it!  18 foot, bumper to bumper (except one bumper was taken off, but
you get the idea;)  Spent a couple hours putting the top down and the
boot on, and some misc chrome from the trunk, and the hubcaps, and the
fender skirts, etc.  Whatever I could add to make it resemble a car,
because, with the exception of the derby car, this is by far the
roughest car I've had on the trailer.  I was rather amazed at the looks
I got, though.  Everywhere I went, everyone looked.  (No suprise there)
However, nobody was laughing.  Everyone had this thoughtful look on
their faces.  Almost a look of admiration.  I actually had to stop a few
times to make sure there wasn't some half naked blond laying down on the
trunk!  (they must be looking at ~something~!!!)  I'm somewhat relieved
that ~others~ can still see the true beauty of the diamonds in the
rough.  You just don't see much of that sentiment anymore.  Believe me
on that!  I really do like the looks of that car, though.  I look
foreward to the day I get ~that one~ going!  It's gonna be a severe
money pit, but that one should be worth it.

I dropped it off at the farm this morning and drove the '77 Toro back to
Sidney (didn't have time to find more oil for the Rockit!)  I still
can't believe this 4800 pound car with a 403 gets 22 miles to the
gallon!  Must be an Olds!  :)

Guess I better go.  I'll probably crash out chebucto and everyone else's
computer if this gets any longer!  It's getting late, too, and I still
have to drive home (about 11 miles...)

Catch ya all later!

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:10:03 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: New on list with questions

> 455.  Most all the C heads had the big valves.

Only the Toros and (some???) 442s had the big valves.  Not nearly as
common.

>Pretty good heads out of the box.

Readily agreed.
>
> > ª on right head, front 34M280766
>
> Actually, it's on the block pad UNDER the left (driver's side) head.
> Your engine came out of a 74 Oldsmobile, unless the 34 should really be
> a 39.

Since it's got "C" casting heads, it's safe to assume it's been worked
on.  Regardless of block year, it's had decent heads added to it, either
by an intelligent Olds builder or by someone who just cracked his
smogger "J"s and just got lucky to find a pair of "C"s.

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:19:40 -0700
From: beast <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet carb on '78 D 88

Dave,
Someone is jerking your chain. I just rebuilt the Q-Junk on my '75 Delta
88's 455 using a AC/Delco carb kit I picked up from the local parts store.
He did not stock the item but he got it from a local parts wholesaler. I
paid twenty-something bucks. I also had him pick up a AC/Delco float for it.
Also, Edelbrock has sole rights now to the Q-Jet line of carbs and has
rebuild kits for it and new carbs as well. They are also producing an 850cfm
model. You can visit them at
http://www.edelbrock.com/

Good Luck,
Bruce Camilli
Hawthorne, CA

1985 Dodge 600 Conv.
1994 Honda Civic Hatchback Si with the Vtec Aluminum Engine
1986 Honda 700 Interceptor
1996 Harley Davidson Custom FatBoy
1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale Conv.

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:36:59 -0500
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Sunvisors Wanted for 72 Cutlass

I need a decent set of black sun visors for my 72 Cutlass S.

Thanks,

JR

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:49:27 +1200
From: harry <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: rebuilding olds 403

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
> somebody here
> > might want to run these numbers through one of those dragstrip Jr. type
> > programs to see what it really would do).
> >
> > Wouldn't be that much fun to drive a car with that engine on the street,
> though.
> > _______________________________________________________
> > Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> > Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
> Well I ran your idea for a built 403 through Drag Strip +. I didn't have my
> Mondello catalog handy so I used an ASAP catalog to choose the cam. The
> only on I could find with .700+ lift was a BBC grind so I used that
> (probable lost 50hp ;) ). I then went through and changed the specs.
> according to the programs recommendations. Here is what I got.
>
>
> Car specs.
>
> 3500 lbs. car
> 200 lbs. driver
> 23 sq. feet frontal area
> Engine and chassis quality excellent
> experienced driver
> excellent traction
> 28' slicks
>
> Engine specs
>
> 403
> Solid cam
> 326 duration
> 293 at .050 duration
> .753 lift
> straight up
> racing aluminum heads with massive porting
> 2.11 intake
> 1.71 exhaust
> forged 14:1 pistons
> Hi-rise single plane intake
> crank triggered MSD
> 225 gph electric fuel pump
> 110+ octane gas
> 1400 cfm dominater (raised it to 2000 I think)
> Tranny specs
>
> Th400
> 6900 rpm stall
> 10% slippage
>
> 5.27 rear gears
>
> Weather
>
> 80 degrees
> 75% humidity
> Barometric pressure 30
>
> Results
> 60' 1.41@43 mph
> 1/8 mile 6.24@108.2mph
> 1/4 mile 9.88@134.6mph @9371rpm
>
> Gross hp 938
> Net hp 694
> 2.17 hp per inch
>
> 9392rpm shift point
> 2054 power band
>
> Recommends 1832-2358 cfm
> Header primaries 16.1"
>
> Anybody willing to build this?
>
> Daren

  I wish :-)

  Dave.

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:05:05 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Block ID

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Date:Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:58:20 -0500
From:aesanders@mmm.com
To:oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: Block ID

Hello All,
Does anybody know what an "s" for a VIN on a Possibly 83' 307 could be.
It has a four barrel intake.  It doesn't showup on any of the numbers
that are in the olds faq's on Brycemans page. Thanks a bunch


Alan

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:44:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

how would a 455 be turned into a 425? i can see a crank swap, but didn't
they have differen't bore's?


Reply to message from BobH592058@aol.com of Mon, 22 Sep
>
>Gee, I'm reduced to scanning the digests and can't participate in a timely
>manner but this discussion (again) gets me interested to the point of
>_making_ some time.
>
>As most of you know I've been runnin' and racin' and funnin' Olds engines
>since the early 60's.  IMHO the short stroke Olds big blocks are the best
>engines Olds made.  It's a shame they were only made for 3 model years.  If
>they had been used in more model years they would be more appreciated and
>understood. And more important, maybe there would be more aftermarket parts
>for 'em!
>
>There have been some pretty good reasons given for the short stroke engines
>being at least as good as the larger displacement long stroke 400/455's.  For
>one thing the rod used on the earlier big blocks is longer which positively
>affects torque production.  There is darn little difference in torque between
>'em.
>
>According to the published figures in my Olds Parts & Accessories
>Illustrations books dated September 1973, the following torque/horsepower
>ratings are given for 425 vs 455.
>
>A '67 Toro 425 had 480 lbs.ft.of torque and 385 horses.
>A '68 Toro 455 had 510 lbs.ft of torque and 400 horses.
>
>That's a 6% gain is torque and 4% gain in horsepower from a 7% increase in
>displacement.  But, as we know, the factory played with these numbers.
>
>Comparing the 67 400 with the 68:
>
>The '67 400 cid 442 motor had 440 lbs.ft at 350 horses.
>The '68 400 cid 442 motor had 435 lbs.ft at 350 horses.
>
>I don't believe the last torque numbers for the simple reason that the
>'68-'69 motors were dogs at the track.  Great street motors but they just
>don't rev like the short stroke motors.  Anyway, those are the "factory"
>numbers. On the track the '68-'69's weren't as good.  And that's with the
>same displacement.  So what gives?
>
>The point I'd like to make is that the "there's no replacement for
>displacement rule" is generally true but isn't true in all cases.
>
>For instance, I hope it isn't a violation of Olds-list-etiquette to mention a
>sister division by using the full name. At least it isn't a Shivy comparison.
>
>
>Anybody ever hear of the Buick '70 GS 455 cid Stage I and II cars?  Those
>monsters weighed _hundreds_ of pounds more than any other muscle car of the
>era and you know what - they blew my doors off and just about everyone elses,
>including street hemis. They made gobs more torque _and_ horsepower than
>either Olds or Pontiac 455's.  So how can that be with the same 455 cid?
>
>Because those engines use short stroke cranks, large bores and longer rods -
>just like the comparison between the short stroke 400/425 and long stroke
>400/455.
>
>I would sorely love to build a snorting 425.  Bore it 0.125" over for a total
>displacement of 445 ci.  I'll still spot the 455 crowd the 10 cubic inches.
> The 445 will make more torque than a 455, be freer revving and therefore
>make more HP too.
>
>To tell a muscle car wars story, in '68-69 a local Olds dealer in San
>Antonio, TX ran a stripped down '68 Hurst Olds at the local track.  It was
>professionally blueprinted, balanced, hotter cam (AHRA rules), Holley carb,
>Hooker headers, etc.  It had the best stuff available at the time.
>
>My '67 was running a rescued-from-the-warranty-pile totally stock 425 (not
>even a Toro motor), stock "C" heads, stock intake, stock Q-Jet carb, W-30
>cam, smaller diameter Hooker headers, etc. Spotting a pro built car 30 cubes
>that short stroke Olds big block still did pretty good.  That car never beat
>mine.  Even with different drivers (the dealer's driver-mechanic was
>summarily pissed!) I never lost. I'm talking about a period of over two
>years.  The dealer H/O routinely won class and lost to me in elinimator.  I
>loved it!
>
>I strongly suspect there are darn few people on this list who have actually
>built a 425 or raced one either. (Except Chris Witt of course.)
>
>Don't knock 'em 'less your speaking from experience. My experience is they
>scream. Add the forged crank and, theoretically, less demand on the oiling
>system (shorter stroke) it's a more durable combination as well.  Like I
>said, I'd sorely love to build a 445 short stroke big block.  I have three
>crank/rod sets, all I need is a 425/455 block (either will do) and custom
>pistons.  Oh yeah - the money too. :-))
>
>My .02 cents worth of bench racin'.
>
>Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
>OCA/OCFª 7728
>'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
>Oviedo, FL
>
>Handren Associates, Inc.
>FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
>Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
>(407)365-6385
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:20:56 -0400
From: Jason Adcock <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Block ID

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Alan, if you are referring to the engine digit in the VIN, I believe =
that it could be either of two codes: Y or 9.  Y would be the standard =
(read: low output) 307 V8 and 9 would be the Hurst/Olds (read: high =
output) 307 V8.  I think 'A' was the code for the Buick 231 V6, but I'm =
not sure on that one.  Honestly, I'm unfamiliar with an S.  I doubt it =
would be from an eighties car.  Unless it was some kind of Canadian =
version.  Hope this helps.

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu


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From:Greg Beaulieu [SMTP:ab348@chebucto.ns.ca]
Sent:Tuesday, September 23, 1997 6:05 AM
To:Oldsmobile
Subject:UNBOUNCE: Block ID


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Date:Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:58:20 -0500
From:aesanders@mmm.com
To:oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: Block ID

Hello All,=09
Does anybody know what an "s" for a VIN on a Possibly 83' 307 could be.=20
It has a four barrel intake.  It doesn't showup on any of the numbers
that are in the olds faq's on Brycemans page. Thanks a bunch


Alan

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