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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 19 1997       Volume 01 : Number 807



Re: 67 cutlass supreme
Re: SB-42?
Cutlass 2 1/2" Tailpipes
[none]
Re: 1981 Olds 3.8 V6 - pushing oil
Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
Re: how to build [brakes]
Re: Response to the Apology for the rudeness
Help on VIN detail
Help on VIN detail
New Member - '68 Delmont 88 455
Leaving 4 Lansing
Repo OAI hoods...
Re: Headliners
Timing '87 Salon 307 Y
Guagepack
Re: forced to sell 67 442
looking for a 1983 olds 98, photo
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: FAQ addition?
Re: Closed list?
Re: 67 cutlass supreme
Re: looking for a 1983 olds 98, photo
Re: New Member - '68 Delmont 88 455
Re: FAQ addition?
Re: Closed list?
Re: GuageHelp
Re: 1949 Oldsmobile Search
Re: SB-42?
Re: GuageHelp
Mileage tip for HEI users
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: GuageHelp
Re: 88/98/Toro Rear Blower-type Defogger Info
Re: Disappointed with Members
67 Cutlass purchase
aluminum thrid member?? Help needed
Re: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y
aluminum thrid member?? Help needed
good schedule glitch.(room needed)
Re: '64 F85 wagon parting
Responses to various postings
good schedule glitch.(room needed)
MT '80s 442s?
Re: MT '80s 442s?
Re: GuageHelp
Re: forced to sell 67 442
Re: MT '80s 442s?
Re: good schedule glitch.(room needed)
Re: Mileage tip for HEI users
Re: Closed list?
Re: California shows
Re: Disappointed with Members (LONG)
Re: 67 Cutlass purchase
Re: GuageHelp
Re: '64 F85 wagon parting
Re: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y
Re: GuageHelp
GuageHelp
Re: GuageHelp
Re: Closed list?
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: GuageHelp
Re: MT '80s 442s?
[none]
Re: California shows
Re: California shows

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:32:16 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: Re: 67 cutlass supreme

At 07:42 PM 7/13/97, you wrote:
>i just bought a 67 c/s for $175!!!
>
> but i think
>it was a pretty damn good deal.

I'd say you got a pretty great deal!!


>I just finished my 73, and i am ashamed to admit, i dont know a lot about
>the 67s.  i do know that it was available with the 330, or 400, but what
>tranny options were available?

In '67 the cutlass(F-85) could have a 250,330,400 or 425. My cutlass has a 330
and is still running with only God knows how many miles on original motor since
I have no records from previous owners.(odometer read 150,000 when I bought it
and I've turned it over since with only replacing the timing chain and 
gears)The
400 was used as the 442 engine(which is in my garage waiting to be rebuilt)The
425 I have never seen in a cutlass(suspect was mostly used in Toros)The 250,who
cares?Hope this helps.
Fred Kemp
'67 442
'67 cutlass


>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 15:47:31 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: SB-42?

>There is supposed to be another vote "In August" - no specific date (that
>I've read but I'm sure my other half who's best friend is a *F*rd fanatic
>would know.  Have you sent in your e-mail support form?

Yes Lisa, I have sent in my support form.  I am considering sending in
another one since the vote is comming up on August 29.  I subscribed to any
information relating to this bill and was notified a couple of weeks ago of
the date.

>It's at:  Bill SB-42 - SUPPORT E-MAIL FORM
>http://exo.com/~jht/truck/sb-42/message2.html
>
Thanks for providing this service, it worked great.  I even got a
"personal" e-mail from senator Kopp thanking me for sending him an e-mail.

Erik Nowacki
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:08:51 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Cutlass 2 1/2" Tailpipes

 All,
If anyone is interested,  a guy advertising a rear end to fit my car on The
Swapmeet Website, also has "New, in the Box" 2.5' tailpipes for a Cutlass
(68-72)?  that he wants to sell. They are from Torque Technologies but
that's all I know about them. I can take a look at them tomorrow when I will
be picking up the  rearend for my 69. If anyone would like to contact him
directly, the e-mail address is:
 kcunnin@kih.net

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:18:35 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile x2badx@wwa.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 18:54:15 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: 1981 Olds 3.8 V6 - pushing oil

> I have a 1981 Cutlass with the 3.8 (231) V-6 thats is pushing oil
> from every available oriface. Primarily it is pushing back through
> the PCV valve, the breather (filling the air cleaner( and around
> the dip-stick. Any ideas as to what could be causing this apparently
> extreme pressure build up in the crank case ? HELP ! and thanks

Most likley you have a piston or two with either the ring lands broken or a
hole in them. Check the compression or do a leak down test to find out
which ones then get out the tools.... its rebuild time.
Walter

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:04:13 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

> I am running the
> stock '55 Olds rear-end
> and don't know if I will need to put a "9-bolt" or something else, or
> not.  Any opinions
> on this would be appreciated.
> Gary Andresen
> gandresen@ibm.net

Wouldn't this have the Olds rear that was so popular in drag racing in the
'50s and '60s and that Ford copied to make their 9"? If it is I think the
last thing to worry about would be the rear end since it is stronger than
Fords 9". Anybody know for sure?

Daren

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:21:28 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: how to build [brakes]

>
> Fellow Rocketteers,
> After seeing first hand the fatal results of a 455 in a 66' (car)
> with the single master cylinder and drum-drum setup, I can not stress
more
> that bigger is better also applies to brakes. This disk-disk setup will
> most likely
> cost less than a new transmission (as a reference) and far less than the
> afore
> mentioned tragedy.
>
> The General

I agree completely about dumping the single master cylinder. For stopping
power my '65 Dynamic will launch you through the windshield if you don't
have your seat belts on. It has 11"x2.5"(?) Drums. The main reason for
switching to disk is that they don't fade as quickly as drums because they
are able to dispel heat quicker. I don't plan on doing any slaloms so I
wont be spending any money on disk. More gas/cruising money.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:46:13 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Response to the Apology for the rudeness

 Al & Chris,

That is generous of you both.  It is just great to be a member of a list
like this.  It is my great loss to be here in AL while so many are on their
way to Lansing.  I would love to meet everyone of you.  It is too bad that
so many of you are Yankees.  I hope that Grandmother doesn't find out.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.  Thank you all for being so generous in forgiving my slip-ups on the
list.  I promise not to mention them all as it is a little embarrassing.



>>In all the response to Al's feather ruffling & subsequent discussion, it
>occurs
>>to me that I neglected to apologize to Al & the list in general for the
>tone of
>>the letter.
>>
>>--
>>Chris  B. Witt
>>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>>
>>Chris,
>Apology accepted. I must admit that I also owe you and the members an
>apology for my article I placed as I did not mean to offend anyone.

    <snip>

I agree that I shoud
>not be trying to make money off "family" members and with that in mind I
>would gladly let anyone here have this car for the $100 I paid to have it
>towed to my house. I hope this clears up this mess I started as I would
>like to continue to be an active member of this group ready to help when I
>can.
>
>Al Barlow
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:55:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: MARKSJ@aol.com
Subject: Help on VIN detail

Just new to the classic car arena.  Purchased a 1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme
convertible for $2000 Cdn.  Feel I got a heck of a deal.  Can someone out
there please share with me any details from the VIN.  The number is
342671M184186.  Searching for info like original engine size, where it was
built, colour etc...
Appreciate any info.
Thanks in advance...
Joel Marks
1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible
1981 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:57:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: MARKSJ@aol.com
Subject: Help on VIN detail

Just new to the classic car arena.  Purchased a 1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme
convertible for $2000 Cdn.  Feel I got a heck of a deal.  Can someone out
there please share with me any details from the VIN.  The number is
342671M184186.  Searching for info like original engine size, where it was
built, colour etc...
Appreciate any info.
Thanks in advance...
Joel Marks
1971 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible
1981 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:54:04 -0500
From: "MiLiT@Nt1" <militant1@geocities.com>
Subject: New Member - '68 Delmont 88 455

As the new owner of a beautiful '68 Delmont 88 455 (Given to me by my
grandmother, the original owner) with ony 50k, I just wanted to say
hello to all the other Olds people out there.  I am new to the Gearhead
world but have been watching this list with great interest as I am
preparing to restore this prize.  As I proceed I will keep you all up to
date and I am sure that I will have lots of questions so please bear
with me.
- --
MiliT@Nt1 <militant1@geocities.com>   '68 Delmont 88 - 455
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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:21:52 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Leaving 4 Lansing

Hello everyone. Well tommorow morning I'll be leaving for Lansing with a
few of my friends. We will be travelling from around the Alliston
Ontario region to Lansing. The following are the vehicles that we will
be bringing.
63 Starfire (mine)
63 Ninety-Eight (Steve Weslake)
64 Starfire (Steve Keurnun)
68 Cutlass conv (Nikke Glista)
68 442 (Richard Glista)
68 442 (Evelyn Glista)
Well I hope to see you all down there, and I hope everyone has a safe
trip. Talk to you when we get back.

Cliff McFarlane

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 19:58:29 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Repo OAI hoods...

It's a long story, but the hood of my 70 442, with an original OAI
hood, needs to be replaced.  Year One supplys these, but claims that the
original latches don't work.  I am looking for someone that has
experience or information about these hoods.
Thanks
Brad
70 442

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:07:05 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Headliners

Sieglinde Kuzava wrote:
>
> The last headliner I installed was, granted, in a 73 N*va, but I found
> that, if the problem is that the material is separated from the backing, a
> very careful application of spray adhesive will resecure it.  I plan to do
> the same thing to the headliner I am preparing to install in my 78 Cutlass.
>
> ----------
> > From: Panman638@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Headliners
> > Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 10:54 PM
> >
> > I will need a new headliner in the 1972 4-4-2 i am working on. I have had
> > alot of people tell me not to try do put it in myself. Has anybody put a
> > headliner in. I understand if I got one from Year One they would send
> > directions along with it. What is anybody thoughts or advice on this?

taxlady,

You're supposed to be becoming a mother again instead of installing
headliners.  Yoy're going to ruin the myth(?) of the full moon filling
up the hospital's new mother ward.

Don

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:18:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y

> Hi folks. Checked the timing tonight. I read a few of the
> responding messages. I read my  '86 service manual and  it seemed
> to be contrary to what I read earlier in the e-mail. If I ground
> terminal  A & C terminal C seems to go to the A.I.R. valve, What
> does that have to do with the timing ? I thought that term. A & B
> should be grounded. When I followed the procedures on the fan
> shroud I grounded term. A & B, loosened the dist. setup the timing
> light and set the timing to 20 degress and rpm's to 1100 in park.
> that part went OK, the part that has me baffled was when I
> ungrounded the terminals the timing went way off, if looking at the
> front of the car the notch in the damper went to the left about 1/2
> inch. The car runs OK but I can hear the pinging start a about
> 30mph and stop at about 45 - 50mph Could this be the EGR valve ?
> Has anyone else had this problem.....? BTW the car is not over
> heating & I have enough oil in the crankcase.
>
>
>
> Peter L House
> '87 Salon Y V8
> phouse@feith.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:24:11 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Guagepack

Dear Fellow Oldsmobilers,
I would first like to say thanks for all your invaluable help.  I have
fixed most of not all of the engine/drivetrain problems.  Today I went
to a few junkyards.  I was looking for replacement chrome strips,
cornering lamps, and a ralye guage pack.  I was able to find 17
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supremes of year 84-86 out of over 600 other dead
vehicles.  Out of all 17 only one had the guage package.  I looked at it
and the Guages were not zeroed and I said oh sh&%.  I thought maybee
there digital servo's and they will set themselves.  I was able to
remove my old idiot lights to night.  I was wondering a few things,
1.  Do you think the guages are dead????
2.  I dont have instructions on how to do this!! the plugs in the back
are the same as mine but it wasnt from an idendical car as mine.
3. Is it compatibale??  MY car VINª 1G3GM47Y1FP354227
                    Junk car's VINª 1G3AR47A9EM400039  <-  thats a V6!
ARGH!!

the tach reads 1500 rpm right now in my hands, i can push the needle
down but it slowly travels back up.  WILL I BE ABLE TO PLUG THIS IN AND
HAVE IT FUNCTION??  Id reather have FUBAR tach and still have the other
guages working.  So even if you have your doubts about the tach, as long
as the others will work I will keep it, plus it just plain looks better
than the idiot light model.  If you have an SUGGESTIONS while I have the
Dash off please tell me... I am going to put it on tomorrow morning and
test it so please e-mail back tonight if possible...

thanks a ton,
Adam Andersen

85 Cutlass Supreme Brogham 307cu
83 Ninety-Eight Royale 307cu
76 Ninety-Eight 455cu
72 Delta88 Conv. 350cu

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:36:06 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: forced to sell 67 442

Ken wrote:
>
> My wife is twisting my arm to sell my 67 442 convertible.  The loan
> payout is $4005.  Come up with $4000 and it's yours.  Send private email
> for picture and description.
>
> olds442@en.com
> Cleveland, Ohio

Still waiting on the details, pix, etc. with interest.  Please e-mail me
direct. Thank you.

Don

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:43:59 -0700
From: "Esther, Jeremiah" <azsweet@phnx.uswest.net>
Subject: looking for a 1983 olds 98, photo

looking for a photo of a 1983 olds 98.
been on the internet days and nights looking for a photo of this car. can
you please help
A million thanks!
Jeremiah
J-loc@iname.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:42:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

In a message dated 97-08-16 23:41:27 EDT, you write:

<< > I agree with you. If I have nothinf to contribute I don't say anything.
I do
 > not understand why some have to act in such a way. I bet  they are the
first
 > ones to get angry if they are spoken too that way. Just shows how childish
 > they really are. I bet they drive Fords.
 > Jim Moore

 Hey I agree with Jim.  Some of us may not be as knowledgable and perfect
 as the rest and we make typing errors.  Some of you guys can be real
 critical.  I've gotten the odd unwarranted response.  WHO NEEDS IT.
 Maybe we just need to stop posting unless absolutely necessary.  Wayne
  >>
HEY WAYNE DITTO...As the member of three other lists I have
 not heard this much crap and criticism in total from the other three.
Its a shame that everyone has to have someone elses opinion
in order to be right, or that the least little thing has the tendency
to be criticized unless the person saying it is an old timer of the
list.  Way too much non Olds oriented feedback here.....TIM

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:32:06 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?

Seems like the big(ger) sheetmetal & steel items are always asked about -
fenders, hoods, bumpers, and the like.  Possibly we could start there....?

What does everyone think?


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:37:38 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Closed list?

Once again I'll vote for closed  Greg.  Mike - thanks for answering it on
the senders level.


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:40:51 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 67 cutlass supreme

Tim Churchill - unsubscribed at the moment - mentioned he had a 330 (extra)
from his '67 C/S convert.  Not sure the HP rating but they're great motors
REGARDLESS of the orignal HP rating.

A former '67 C/S convertible owner (the one I shouldn't have let get away) -


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 22:50:03 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: looking for a 1983 olds 98, photo

I have a FEW pics of mine!!! how do you want them...
e-mail me


Adam Andersen
x2badx@wwa.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:53:56 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: New Member - '68 Delmont 88 455

Welcome welcome.  Nice to hear of another 'big' car fan.


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:56:59 -0300
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?

 Definitely sheet metal is high on the list for transplants among Olds
models, but drive train etc. transplants with other GM models, especially A
bodies seems to be of high interest too.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 18, 1997 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?



>Seems like the big(ger) sheetmetal & steel items are always asked about -
>fenders, hoods, bumpers, and the like.  Possibly we could start there....?
>
>What does everyone think?
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
>Metal Forever
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:58:06 -0300
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Closed list?

 Anything to stop the Spammers. How does a closed list work?

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, August 18, 1997 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Closed list?



>Once again I'll vote for closed  Greg.  Mike - thanks for answering it on
>the senders level.
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
>Metal Forever
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:05:06 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

That's perfectly normal, mine rests at about 1500rpm too.  Fuel gauge
floats roughtly where it was, +/- 1/4 tank.

It's not a direct swap, you'll need to move a few wires in the harness
that plugs into the rallye pack.  Someone gave info for this a while
ago, it may be in the FAQ.  You'll also need sending units for the oil
pressure and temperature.  Easy to install, just screw in the proper
location.  I recommend getting a new oil sender (about $10 at most local
auto stores), since they tend to break and leak frequently.  The temp.
sender from the donor car can be reused if you want.

Make sure the clip on the side of the cluster near the tach is set for
8-cyl and not 6-cyl.

Adam wrote:
>
> I would first like to say thank you to all the oldmobile owners who have
> helped me in the past.  I went to a few junkyards today and a bought a
> few items.  I have a 1985 Cutlass Supreme Brogham 307,  with idoit
> lights.  I found ONE out of all 17 olds cutlasses there had the ralyee
> guage package,  But i looked at the  tach and it WASNT zeroed.  it read
> 1500 rpm, the gas and voltage guages were also NOT zeroed.  I am about
> to take my dash apart right now I would like to know are these guages
> DEAD? Even if there not tottaly accurate I would still rather have them
> then the stupid idoit lights.  Please let me know...
> Thanks,
> Adam
>
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Brogham 307cu
> 83 Ninety-Eight Royale 307cu
> 76 Ninety-Eight 455cu
> 72 Delta 88 Conv. 350cu

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:14:00 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: Re: 1949 Oldsmobile Search

>I'm searching for a 1949 Olds 2-door business or club coupe, No 3
>condition or better, stock.  If you know of one or someone that may,
>please let me know.  I appreciate the help.-- Steve Clark
>
>You have good taste in cars.  I am street rodding a '49 Olds Club coupe.
It is a 76 Model and I will keep the body primarily stock with 1-piece 1950
windshield and '50 front fender spears.  If you are successful in your
quest, keep my address for parts.  I have and I know sources for '49-'50 parts.


Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 21:14:42 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: SB-42?

Erick - did you get my post about the event in Julian?  I'd love to see
your wagon & actually *meet* someone in person off the list!!


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser
Heavy Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:55:56 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

I hve made a simular swap and from my experience I can tell you if you
can get the wiring harnes for the engine, for the same car it will be
alot easier. That will almost make it a pulg and play. The wiring
harness will disconnect from the engine side of the fuse block. there
should be a screw or bolt that hold all the harness in to the fuse
block, back it out and get the harness you need.

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:17:42 -0300
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Mileage tip for HEI users

I recurved my HEI this weekend and wanted to let everyone know what a
mileage increase I got out of it. My original '70 350 is running 10.25:1
compression, so I have never been able to run to the proper initial
timing (It pings in this hot Texas sun) At 90MPH with the A/C on, my car
averaged about 12.3 MPG (I have 2.56 rearend) I always thought that was
a bit low and seemed that it took more pedal than should be necessary to
keep it going. After the advance kit, I jumped to 19.53 MPG at the same
speed with the A/C, and it cut my pedal usage in half. The advance kit
is something that most of us have heard about at one time or another,
but often dismiss it as a gimmick. An $8 part is saving me $$$$.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:19:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

In a message dated 97-08-17 09:26:26 EDT, you write:

<< Currently the car has Dunlop, P235/70 14"
 Getting the 14" is the hard part.
 After talking to a few tire places, it looks like i'll have to go with
 P225/70 14"
 A little narrower tread width, but I think it will be ok.  Will it?
 What opinion(s) do you guys have about the following brand names i'm
 considering:
 BF Goodrich Radial T/A
 Firestone

 Any other suggestions are welcomed.
 (I wish they would start making the Goodyear Eagle STs again)
 Thanks

 RC Hellebuyck
 1971 4-4-2 covt.
  >>

I just have to ask but isnt it easier for everybody that wants the
 bigger tires to just go to 15"? Either with the 15" ralleys or an
 aftermarket wheel?......just wondering...TIM

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 00:10:00 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Oh MAN!! great now you tell me i need parts and I cant drive my car
without a dash...
what wires need to be switched???   whats a sending unit and how do u
hookit up?  I m not good at this... I didnt see any clip? what will
happen If i plug it in right now as is?

 Thank you for your help so far,

Adam

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:50:45 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: 88/98/Toro Rear Blower-type Defogger Info

Thanks Andrew I will be watching the mail.
Terry

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:08:12 -0400
From: dgerow@stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

I would like to state my opinion in this matter...although, proving my
point, I think I will be criticized if I do.  I am relatively new to all
of this, being only 20 years old.  I joined this list because I thought
it could provide me with an unlimited wealth of knowledge on the given
subject, which has held true.  However, I did not join to be talked down
to or made fun of because I do not undertand some things.  I have had a
few postings because I do have some questions that I know you guys can
answer, which  in most cases you do and I thank you for it -  Mr. Rothe
especially, for the help deciphering my buld sheet.  As for those who
feel the need to be rude in answering my questions, I don't think it's
appropriate.  I apologize for not know as much as you, because if I did,
I wouldn't be here.  I am trying my best to accumulatte as much info. on
my '69 442 as I can and this seems the place to do it...however, I don't
think I will be around much longer if my questions continue to be
scoffed at.  Overall, this list is a godsent to me.  It seems as if it
should have a more friendly nature than it sometimes does...which makes
me ask....what the hell?
Thank you all for your time.
- --
Daniel R. Gerow
WSHL-FM 91.3
General Manager
Stonehill College Radio
- -----------------------
http://www.stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www2.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
- ---------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:50:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 67 Cutlass purchase

From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: 67 cutlass supreme

i just bought a 67 c/s for $175!!!

the car has no engine, or trans in it, but comes with a 350 olds, a 350
buick, and a th400, all of which i plan to sell at the next swap meet.It
has a 10 bolt posi and the frame is solid, as are the floors, it does need
a new trunk, and it is missing quite a few importants parts, such as... a
trunk lid, doors, seats, a hood, and basically a front clip... but i think
it was a pretty damn good deal.

[[ Still, not a bad bargain. I have a rear-ended 67 CSup parts car, could
provide much of what's missing... front end, 330 motor, correct Jetaway 2-speed
switch pitch trans, etc. Car had buckets & console but those sold right away.
.
Tell ya what, you can have the whole car, all that's left, for $2000, but if
you don't buy it I am going to crush it with the neighbor's excavator and
videotape the event so you can watch. ;-)
.
Not really, of course, just being sarcastic again.
If interested, it's in mid-MI, private email for negotiations.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 01:54:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

On my last outing to look for parts, i came across a 1970 Cutlass parked
behind a house. The car appeared complete, so i stopped to investigate. As
i was checking for rust under the car i noticed the third member on the car
was bigger, and different than what i had seen. It appears to be 'aluminum'
and has ridges on the rear. It looks like it would hold more oil than a
regular rear. Was this an option for that year(s)?? I have no info in my
books on this. I am sure somebody on the list must know if this was an


[[ Yeah, Mike, those AL rear ends were really weak, surprising to find one that
old still intact. Not much use for them. Good for scrap metal. Usuallyhad
very uneconomical ratios, too, not good for mileage or top end speed. Now,
where exactly did you say that car was again? Did you get a phone number? ;-)
  ]]
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 23:25:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y

Hi Peter,

Ooops, I was completely wrong about what "C-3" meant.  The last time I set
the timing in this manner on my '88 Brougham was about 1991; I remembered
that I jumpered 2 terminals on the ALDL, but not which ones, so "C" seemed
to conveniently fit the bill.  Since I've been using Diacom, I simply
choose a different mode to bypass the ECM advance.  After contemplating
the exact meaning of "C-3 Diagnostic Terminal", I believe I have come up
with an answer: C-3 stands for Computer Command Control; the diagnostic
terminal is the lead on the ALDL connector which is grounded to display
trouble codes.

> that part went OK, the part that has me baffled was when I
> ungrounded the terminals the timing went way off, if looking at the
> front of the car the notch in the damper went to the left about 1/2
> inch. The car runs OK but I can hear the pinging start a about
> 30mph and stop at about 45 - 50mph Could this be the EGR valve ?

When you connected A & B, the ECM no longer supplied any spark advance
information to the distributor.  In this by-pass mode, there is still a
limited amount of ignition advance available from within the module,
hence, the exact RPM at which settings are made is still relevant.  Upon
removal of the jumper wire, the ECM once again adds spark advance
relative to the base setting, so this explains the timing mark moving to
the left when viewed from the front of the car.  This is analogous to
reattaching the vacuum advance hose on a non-CCC car.

What was the timing set at originally, or approximately how much did you
have to rotate the distributor (clockwise?) to achieve 20 degrees BTDC?
When the EGR is disconnected, I've observed a light ping at low
(< 50%) throttle openings on a warm engine.  Does the pinging disappear
when you depress the accelerator further?  You might have to retard the
timing by a couple of degrees.  A knock sensor was added in '88 to help
fine tune the spark control.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:54:26 -0300
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

On my last outing to look for parts, i came across a 1970 Cutlass parked
behind a house. The car appeared complete, so i stopped to investigate. As
i was checking for rust under the car i noticed the third member on the car
was bigger, and different than what i had seen. It appears to be 'aluminum'
and has ridges on the rear. It looks like it would hold more oil than a
regular rear. Was this an option for that year(s)?? I have no info in my
books on this. I am sure somebody on the list must know if this was an


[[ Yeah, Mike, those AL rear ends were really weak, surprising to find one that
old still intact. Not much use for them. Good for scrap metal. Usuallyhad
very uneconomical ratios, too, not good for mileage or top end speed. Now,
where exactly did you say that car was again? Did you get a phone number? ;-)
  ]]
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:42:31 -0400
From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Subject: good schedule glitch.(room needed)

Finally a good schedule glitch. My wife and I were supossed to be busy
all week and weekend, but as we say 'sh*t happens' and if we can get a
room for Friday night We'll be there all day Fri and untill about 6:00
Sat.
So any advice on a hotel, know of any cancelations(moderate to
buget$$$)?
Can anyone tell me the high points of the schedule on these days?
Are the list members meeting somewhere on either of these days or is
there special symbol on any cars? (@OLDS)
Unfortunately I don't think my Olds is going to make it up there, the
miles on the Odometer, the amount of Petrol and the amount of bugs I'd
have to eat on the way(sun out, top down) make it hard to justify. We'll
be in my wife's Barretta.
Any help or info thanx in advance.

Pat McDermott
'69 Cutlass convertable
Louisville, Ky.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:38:51 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: '64 F85 wagon parting

Coupe King,

I've sent this mail before but didn't see it on the list and didn't get any
response. So I'm sending it again.

If it really is a '64 (OLDSMOBILE letters on the hood?), I'm interested in a
lot of parts. Like for instance: outside mirror;front and rear bumper;
brakepedal release knob; LH vent window handle. Offcourse all
depending on the shape it's in.

If you live in southern California, I have a relative there to whom you can
send the bigger parts.

Jim Hoekendijk, '64 Cutlass Vista Cruiser.
hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl
J.Hoekendijk@inter.nl.net

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:06:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: DATIC@aol.com
Subject: Responses to various postings

Greetings all,

     Yes Lisa, I sent in mt E-mail ballot for SB-42, and I even got a
co-worker who
has a '73 C*rvette to join in too.
     As a humerous aside to the understeer/oversteer inquiries:
Understeer is when the driver is scared,
Oversteer is when the passenger is scared.
     And when I return from yet another business trip from Phoenix, I may
tell you
all about the absolute nightmare I had painting my Dynamic.

     Later, and wishing I was cruzin around Lansing with the top down.

     Dave T.
     '66 Dynamic 88 conv.
     and 2 small Germ*n cars you probably could care less about.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 02:53:27 -0400
From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Subject: good schedule glitch.(room needed)

Finally a good schedule glitch. My wife and I were supossed to be busy
all week and weekend, but as we say 'sh*t happens' and if we can get a
room for Friday night We'll be there all day Fri and untill about 6:00
Sat.
So any advice on a hotel, know of any cancelations(moderate to
buget$$$)?
Can anyone tell me the high points of the schedule on these days?
Are the list members meeting somewhere on either of these days or is
there special symbol on any cars? (@OLDS)
Unfortunately I don't think my Olds is going to make it up there, the
miles on the Odometer, the amount of Petrol and the amount of bugs I'd
have to eat on the way(sun out, top down) make it hard to justify. We'll
be in my wife's Barretta.
Any help or info thanx in advance.

Pat McDermott
'69 Cutlass convertable
Louisville, Ky.

------------------------------

Date: 19 Aug 1997 00:44:08 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: MT '80s 442s?

Just a quick question.  Were there any 442's from the G-body era that
were equipped with manual transmissions?

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: MT '80s 442s?

i dont think there were any gm g-bodies, u can do it though, i saw a letter
in hi-po pontiac about

  bernie

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 05:13:27 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

I agree with Andy. I have the diagrams for the 79 Cutlass. Both with and
without guages. I don't have a scanner, but can attempt to get them
scanned. I know the wiring diagrams are consistent from 72 to 84, with
just minor changes, because I have used them for my 72 and I have used
them for an 83/84 Cutlass. These diagrams come from a factory service
manual for the 79 Olds. The only thing it doesn't cover is the computer
controls. Drop me a line if you can't find anything better. Use my AOL
address.
Rob
Katana72@aol.com          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!
Hastings, MN

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997 17:15:20 -0500 "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
writes:
>>But i looked at the  tach and it WASNT zeroed.  it read
>>1500 rpm, the gas and voltage guages were also NOT zeroed.  I am
>about
>>to take my dash apart right now I would like to know are these guages
>>DEAD?
>
>No, they sound fine. The needles tend to float a little bit when
>power is turned off. In particular, the tach tends to stay wherever
>it was, but even when pegged at zero, it'll float back up after the
>ignition is switched off.
>
>Having said that... you're going to have some wiring harness work to
>do; this is not just a plug-in swap. You need to relocate some wires
>in the connectors behind the gauge cluster (and of course change your
>idiot-light switches to sending units). Someone else here had the
>diagram available; hopefully they aren't already heading for Lansing.
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:06:02 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: forced to sell 67 442

Don Sowers wrote:
>
> Ken wrote:
> >
> > My wife is twisting my arm to sell my 67 442 convertible.  The loan
> > payout is $4005.  Come up with $4000 and it's yours.  Send private email
> > for picture and description.
> >
> > olds442@en.com
> > Cleveland, Ohio
>
> Still waiting on the details, pix, etc. with interest.  Please e-mail me
> direct. Thank you.
>
> Don

  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net keeps bouncing the message and pictures back to
me.  What address should I use?

olds442@en.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:12:03 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: MT '80s 442s?

> Just a quick question.  Were there any 442's from the G-body era that
> were equipped with manual transmissions?
>
> Mike Jones
> '78 Delta 88 2dr

'78 and I think '79 you could get a stick with a 260(?) in a Cutlass. I
remember seeing a Malibu wagon in the junk yard with a stick and a s.b.c..
They are out there but a little hard to find.

Daren

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:30:38 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: good schedule glitch.(room needed)

> So any advice on a hotel, know of any cancelations(moderate to
> buget$$$)?

No. Good luck finding one.

> Can anyone tell me the high points of the schedule on these days?

Friday
9am-7pm
R.E. Olds Transportation Museum
9:30 am
Olds motorcade
10am-7pm
Olds car displays downtown
Future of Olds exhibit at Lansing center
Swap meet and car corral
8pm
Michigan Fest Sheryl Crow

Saturday
8am-6pm
Olds car displays downtown
Future of Olds exhibit
R.E. Olds Transportation museum
Swap meet car corral
11am
Olds historic parade
2pm
100th birthday celebration
7pm
Grand finale at Michigan fest
Randy Travis, Tammy Wynette, Deana Carter, Daryle Singletary
Fireworks

> Are the list members meeting somewhere on either of these days or is
> there special symbol on any cars? (@OLDS)

The official meeting is Thursday. I'll let them know your coming. I'll have
the @Olds sign in my truck. I'm at the Ramada (formerly Park Inn).

> Unfortunately I don't think my Olds is going to make it up there,

I won't be bring mine either. Kinda hard to drive with no interior, drive
train, or front clip.

> Pat McDermott
> '69 Cutlass convertable
> Louisville, Ky.

Good luck getting a room. Hope to see you there.
Daren

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 06:35:24 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Mileage tip for HEI users

> At 90MPH with the A/C on, my car
> averaged about 12.3 MPG
> After the advance kit, I jumped to 19.53 MPG at the same
> speed with the A/C,
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

Do you mean 60 mph? Do you know the specs on the advance you install? Base
advance, start, how much, etc.Sound like you must have done something
right.

Daren

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 07:45:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: Closed list?

On Tue, 19 Aug 1997, M&D Gillespie wrote:

>  Anything to stop the Spammers. How does a closed list work?

Only messages with "From:" addresses in the list database will be posted
to the list.

On closed lists I've dealt with, a non-list poster gets a message back
saying the s/he must subscribe in order to post to the list.  A couple of
those lists do not allow automatic subscription, meaning that the list
owner/administrator must take action to add the new address to the list
database.

Still other lists require a confirmation message before the address gets
added, which means that if the From address is bogus, the list server's
confirmation request fails and the address doesn't get added.

I think the confirmation approach is good, since it doesn't place a burden
on the list owner to take action.  I've joined lists in the middle of the
night, without any problem, this way.

The only thing I think is a hassle with a closed list is that you can't
post from another email account - e.g., work vs home, unless you join from
both addresses.  Can you imagine 200 vs 100 message a day?!

Hope this helps,
Don Sugarman

P.S., I vote for a closed list.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:29:15 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: California shows

This question is really directed to California Oldsmobile owners:

Why are there shows, get togethers, meets, whatever going on in
California (preferably in So. Cal)?  I am becoming quite jealous that
everything is happening in the mid-west and back east.  Am I just
uninformed here?

Chris Sparks

P.S.  I guess the tone of this e-mail stems from the fact that I am
      sad that I am not going to Lansing.  Oh well....

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:53:30 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (LONG)

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:
>
> I would like to state my opinion in this matter...although, proving my
> point, I think I will be criticized if I do.  I am relatively new to all
> of this, being only 20 years old.  I joined this list because I thought
> it could provide me with an unlimited wealth of knowledge on the given
> subject, which has held true.  However, I did not join to be talked down
> to or made fun of because I do not undertand some things.  I have had a

Well whoever did this shouldn't have.  We all come from different life
experiences and can't all be equally knowledgable of mechanics.  If we
all
had equal knowledge then we would all bore each other!

> few postings because I do have some questions that I know you guys can
> answer, which  in most cases you do and I thank you for it -  Mr. Rothe
> especially, for the help deciphering my buld sheet.  As for those who

Yes, he is a great guy.

> feel the need to be rude in answering my questions, I don't think it's
> appropriate.  I apologize for not know as much as you, because if I did,

You are right.  Don't apologize!  It is ok to come into this list not
knowing
everything.  That is how I came in.  I bascially had zero knowlege on
cars,
with the exception of adding water/oil/fluids to the car.  Now I know a
little
more which has helped me when I do get things repaired since I am not as
naive as the mechanic would like me to be!  Knowledge is definitely
power in
these situations.

> I wouldn't be here.  I am trying my best to accumulatte as much info. on

Even if you knew a lot, not being on the list would hurt those of us who
would benefit from your knowledge and life experiences.  I have read
some
of the longer e-mails which describe in detail some of our subscribers
life/
Olds experiences.  Some have brought that warm fuzzy feeling to me.  You
know
folks, from my perspective we are all a lot alike.  Even though I
haven't
met any of you that I have corresponded with, I feel that I would accept
you
whole-heartedly into my life as a true friend (warts and all).  I don't
normally say this of most people.  I am normally suspicious of most
people.

> my '69 442 as I can and this seems the place to do it...however, I don't
> think I will be around much longer if my questions continue to be
> scoffed at.  Overall, this list is a godsent to me.  It seems as if it

Please don't get offended.  You must consider the source.  Not all the
members on this list will scoff at you.  Hey we all have our unique and
interesting quirks and if we all can accept that and keep our comments
light
(including joking) then all should be copasetic.

> should have a more friendly nature than it sometimes does...which makes
> me ask....what the hell?
> Thank you all for your time.

Well you raised a good point.  Sometimes when some of us send e-mail, I
am
guilty too, we forget to indicate that a particular passage is meant in
jest
or humor.  I have been trying to use the "emoticons" (emotion-icons) so
as
people know that I am not being critical and am just having a little
fun.
The ones I use are:

  :-) or :)  Happy face.  Means I am making light of some passage.
Joking
             with the sender of e-mail in my response
  :-( or :(  Sad face.  Means I am sad about something written.  Or I am
sad
             about NOT going to Lansing!
  ;-) or ;)  Winking eye.  Little more heavy of a joke than :-)

********************* To all in the list ***********************

I hoped that this e-mail helped.  I just felt bad that this young man
has
been given such a bad impression of the list and its members.  I hope we
can all give him some encouragement to think otherwise.

Thanks for all of you who weathered my rambling here.


Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:55:25 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: 67 Cutlass purchase

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Tell ya what, you can have the whole car, all that's left, for $2000, but if
> you don't buy it I am going to crush it with the neighbor's excavator and
> videotape the event so you can watch. ;-)
> .
> Not really, of course, just being sarcastic again.
> If interested, it's in mid-MI, private email for negotiations.

Such a brat! :-)

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 03:59:17 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Hi all,

Did the 82 Delta Royales have a tach available?  I have the rally
pack, however, I can't figure out where a tach would go if I had one.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:53:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: '64 F85 wagon parting

Been out of town. The wagon is a '64 .The front bumper is wrecked
but the rear isn't. I'll check the other bits. Realize too that the car has
been in a busy pick-your-own style junkyard for 7 days now and much may have
been taken since I've last seen it.
Will let you know

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:57:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Re: Timing '87 Salon 307 Y

>
> What was the timing set at originally, or approximately how much did you
> have to rotate the distributor (clockwise?) to achieve 20 degrees BTDC?
The timing was not far from 20 degrees BTDC, maybe 1/2 notch to the
right on the tab. I had to rotate the Dist. about 1/4 in or less

> When the EGR is disconnected, I've observed a light ping at low
> (< 50%) throttle openings on a warm engine.  Does the pinging disappear
> when you depress the accelerator further?  You might have to retard the
> timing by a couple of degrees.

Yes the pinging does go away when I press the pedal further. Why
should I have to retard the timing. Does retard mean that the notch
on the damper moves to the right if standing in front of the car.

  A knock sensor was added in '88 to help
> fine tune the spark control.
>
> Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>
>


Peter L. House
'87 Salon 307 V8 87k
phouse@feith.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:23:45 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

At 12:10 AM 8/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Oh MAN!! great now you tell me i need parts

Well, you need sending units for the engine: a temperature sender
and an oil-pressure sender. The oil pressure one can be teed in
with the pressure switch (at either end of a little pipe "T" or
something like that); the temperature sender must be immersed in
the coolant flow, so you basically just swap out the idiot light
switch. Make sure you swap out the single-wire warning light switch
and not the twisted-pair temperature sensor for the computer. Some
cars have a dual-function idiot-light/temp-sensor unit which must
be swapped for a dual-function temp-sender/temp-sensor instead. (The
sender part goes to the gauge; the sensor part goes to the computer.)
Hopefully someone else here can tell us which temperature setup your
car has. The sending units you need to buy are usually in the area of
$8-$10 each, IMHO.

>and I cant drive my car without a dash...

Wanna bet?  :-)  I've done it.

>what wires need to be switched???

Again, if this isn't in the FAQ, it should be, but the area where
the wire switching takes place is at the one or two white nylon plugs
in back of the gauge cluster, where the wiring harness plugs in to the
back of the speedo/gauge assembly (the light-blue plastic housing).

>whats a sending unit and how do u hookit up?  I m not good at this...

You unscrew the plug-like idiot light switches on the engine which
turn on warning lights when oil pressure goes too low or coolant
temperature goes too high, and replace them with similar-looking
gadgets you buy from the auto parts store which send out varying
voltages instead, which drive your gauges. You'll want to locate
a mechanic who can point you to the right components on your engine
and show you which is which, but the actual replacement you can do
yourself with the right wrenches and maybe a little plumber's tape.

>I didnt see any clip?

Someone here will have to be a bit more specific about where the clip
is, but it's somewhere in the vicinity of the tachometer circuit board.

>what will happen If i plug it in right now as is?

Possibly several things; none of them good. Basically you'll be running
the wrong voltages through the wrong circuits. Since this is a bolt-in
swap for the most part, you ought to be able to put the old stuff back
in until we can clear up all the details for you.


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:25:39 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: GuageHelp

The guage pack does have idiot lights. In fact it has the same ones as
my just plain idoit lights.  I am going to go to the parts store and ask
for a oil pres sending unit and a temp sending unit.  I dont have a clue
where they go and what the plug into.  Also, once again does anyone know
what wires to switch on the harness? The is for a 85 Cutlass switching
from plain idiot lights to the guage pack.

Adam Andersen

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:39:36 -0500
From: Adam <x2badx@wwa.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

Andrew,
Thank you VERY much for your detailed help!  I am going to put the old
unit back on for now.  When I replace the switches with sending units do
i need to run new wires to the dash? Or will it be a just swap it and
plug it in deal?

Adam Andersen

This is what the dash look like now. I dont have a color coded wiring
scheme but i can get one if it will help.  Also, WHAT IF I GO BACK TO
THE CAR I GOT THIS FROM?  CAN I GET THE WIRING SCHEME????  Remember its
a V6 model.

- --------------------------------------------------------
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|                                                       |
| IR crusie cabs.->  o     __                           |
|   -+-+-+-+-+-      o    /  \  <-- Speedometer cab.    |
|   -+-+-+-+-+-      o    \__/       -+-+-+-+-+-        |
|                                    -+-+-+-+-+-        |
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:45:24 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Closed list?

>Anything to stop the Spammers. How does a closed list work?

From our point of view, those of us already here, we should see
no difference at all. But anyone who has not subscribed as you
and I did would get their posting rejected, with a message telling
them how to subscribe to the list.

As for subscribing, that process could be manually supervised by
Greg or handled automatically; it's a setup configuration. We can
also require confirmation replies from the new subscribers, too,
to prevent prank third-party signups.


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 10:50:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Panman638@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Name one person on here that helps more than Mr. Rothe.

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 09:57:27 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: GuageHelp

>Thank you VERY much for your detailed help!  I am going to put the old
>unit back on for now.  When I replace the switches with sending units do
>i need to run new wires to the dash? Or will it be a just swap it and
>plug it in deal?

No, you don't need to run new wires. But you will need to move about
four of them from one cavity to another in the plug where they emerge
behind the dash. This is the part I do _not_ have, and unfortunately
it is starting to look as if the list members who have these details
are on their way to Lansing right about now, since you and I seem to
be the only ones talking here...

>This is what the dash look like now. I dont have a color coded wiring
>scheme but i can get one if it will help.

It would. You need to compare the color coding at the dash plugs
between a gauge-pack and idiot-light model.

>Also, WHAT IF I GO BACK TO
>THE CAR I GOT THIS FROM?  CAN I GET THE WIRING SCHEME????

Well, yeah, if you have a good flashlight. You need to make a list
of what color wire (don't forget to look for the tracer stripe color)
emerges at which point on each of the two dash plugs. I kind of think
the right-hand plug is the one requiring the wire rearranging, but
can't swear to it. Check both.

>Remember its a V6 model.

I don't think that makes a difference.


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:02:43 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: MT '80s 442s?

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
>
> > Just a quick question.  Were there any 442's from the G-body era that
> > were equipped with manual transmissions?
> >
> > Mike Jones
> > '78 Delta 88 2dr
>
> '78 and I think '79 you could get a stick with a 260(?) in a Cutlass. I
> remember seeing a Malibu wagon in the junk yard with a stick and a s.b.c..
> They are out there but a little hard to find.
>
> Daren

Yes, I saw a '78 442 once with a 260 and a 5-speed.  Why they thought a
car with a 260 deserves the 442 badge is beyond me. . .  Anyhow, I
seriously doubt that the 5-speed would hold up behind anything bigger
than the 260 (which is probably why it was only offered with that
combo).  However, the clutch pedal and linkage would be nice to have. .
.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 11:13:13 -0400
From: JLAMONDA@mailgw.sanders.lockheed.com
Subject: [none]

   >Robert Schinkel wrote:
   >>
   >> So who left to chat with this week >Robert,


   Robert,

     I am new to the list - just over a week - and I'll be around. I
   have a 1964 Ninety Eight that I am restoring and would appreciate
   an e:Mail from anyone that may have parts.

   John Lamonday
   64 98
   e:Mail john.c.lamonday@lmco.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:32:16 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: California shows

>This question is really directed to California Oldsmobile owners:
>
>Why are there shows, get togethers, meets, whatever going on in
>California (preferably in So. Cal)?  I am becoming quite jealous that
>everything is happening in the mid-west and back east.  Am I just
>uninformed here?
>
>Chris Sparks
>
Chris (and other So. Cal list members):

Lisa sent me an e-mail regarding an Olds show on September 6 at the Valley
Independent Bank in Julian.  The show starts at 10AM.  Julian is located
approximately 1 hour east of San Diego.  It is a very nice drive on a
motorcycle since it is very twisty, in the Vista Cruiser however........
Julian is known for their apple pies, so if you go, don't leave without a
pie.  I will bring the VC, hope to see you there.


Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 08:32:16 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: California shows

>This question is really directed to California Oldsmobile owners:
>
>Why are there shows, get togethers, meets, whatever going on in
>California (preferably in So. Cal)?  I am becoming quite jealous that
>everything is happening in the mid-west and back east.  Am I just
>uninformed here?
>
>Chris Sparks
>
Chris (and other So. Cal list members):

Lisa sent me an e-mail regarding an Olds show on September 6 at the Valley
Independent Bank in Julian.  The show starts at 10AM.  Julian is located
approximately 1 hour east of San Diego.  It is a very nice drive on a
motorcycle since it is very twisty, in the Vista Cruiser however........
Julian is known for their apple pies, so if you go, don't leave without a
pie.  I will bring the VC, hope to see you there.


Erik Nowacki
1972 Vista Cruiser

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