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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 25 1997     Volume 01 : Number 870



Re: 455 heads....again.....
Re: 1970 Paint Codes
Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4
Re: Exhaust overhaul
Re: 455 heads....again.....
Re: BFG Drag Radials
Re: Olds Alum. Heads - Update
Re: 1970 Paint Codes
oops on the download file
Re: BFG Drag Radials
Will it fit?
Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4
Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4
Pilot Bearing
71 Cutlass Interior Needed
Re: Big Brother amendment to HR 695
Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades
Racing
Re: Manuals...
Re: rebuilding olds 403
Re: '64 Cutlass
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455
Test Dont Read
(Fwd) Subscribe Oldsmobile
UNBOUNCE: Will it fit?
RE: 69 Cutlass Supreme Help
1970 98 for sale
Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4
Olds 8.5" vs. New Style 8.5"
Re: Pilot Bearing
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
RE: Rallye 350 Chapter
RE: 1970 Paint Codes
Re: Mondello?
RE: 1970 Paint Codes
not olds related
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale
Parts List
Re: Racing
Re: Vote for Olds
Re: 1969 442 Question
Re: Twin batteries
455 block = 425?!
Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:05:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 heads....again.....

OK, is the casted "H" located on the side faces of the heads and is around
3/4" tall by 3/4" wide?????  I know there is an "H" on both of the heads,
but the motor has a 2 bbl carb on it....with (what looks like...it has
been a while since I seen it last) a cast iron intake.

I bought this car for $200 and pulled the motor.  I plan on having it
re-built and I am going to be putting it in my 1977 Cutlass......


If those heads are that rare, I am now wondering if I am looking at the
right letter cast in the heads.....are there any other letters I could be
mistaking for this "H"??????

thanks, Paul




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University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Senior in Civil Engineering with emphasis in Transportation/Municipal
I am from Green Bay, Wisconsin.....graduated from GB Southwest in 1990
I also have another e-mail account....satan@watt.cae.uwm.edu
"FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, WE SOLUTE YOU"

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:19:33 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 Paint Codes

>I have a question about a 1970 paint code....What color would the paint be
>with a code of: 04A ? I cannot seem to find anything....

Um, might that be the fourth week of January (or the first week of April; I
get the codes mixed up)? Usually the paint code is a two-digit number, or a
letter; the code you gave is usually used for the body production date.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:29:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4

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In a message dated 97-09-25 08:58:24 EDT, you write:

<< Congratulations on your runs.  Very nice.  I'm sure there are quite a few
of
 us who would like to hear what you've done to the motor to run those
numbers.

 Chris Ruper
  >>
Thanks Chris and here are my specs        Mark Prince

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Subject: run 12's and still drive 95 miles to the track (long)
=0D
 Ok, i will tell you my set up.
 I have a 72 455 that i bored .030 over with torque plates.  I took the c=
rank
 and had it cross drilled and chamfered and the counter weights were =

 deburred.  I am using the stock piston rods with F2323 TRW pistons
 with file fit plasma molly rings.  I have a Toronodo 5qt. pan with winda=
ge
 trays and a crank scraper.  The oil pump is a melling Hv with toro picku=
p =

 from Mondello.  I am using a Cloyes double roller timing chain.  My cam =
is
 a comp cam and the specs are as follow    at .050 duration intake 234
 and exhaust 244 the lift is 523 in and 518ex with a 110center line. =

 advertise duration is 292. =

 I am using Mondello 7200 roller rockers and standard TRW pushrods and
 TRW lifters.  I set the cam in at O degrees or called straight up.
 =

 Back to the block, i had the block decked so that i have .017 thousands =

 piston to deck clearance, and also using a Victor Gaskets for head gaske=
ts
 that measure .028 when compressed.  Felpro gaskets are .038 when compres=
sed.
  Now to the Heads,  I am using GA heads the have been milled .060 on bot=
tom
 and intake side to give me 73cc of volume.  The valves are Milodon stain=
less
 steel intake 2.072 and exhaust 1.710 with a 5 angle valve job.  The cent=
er
 divider on exhaust side was welded and milled smooth and ª 3 and ª 6 hea=
t risers
 were welded instead of using Mondellos Heat block mix.  The Heads also =

 have been ported to remove egr bump and the bowls and exhaust polished.
 I recommend not polishing intake side for better Atomizing of the fuel.
 I am using the stock GM valley tray and the Stock W-30 aluminum intake.
 The carb is the Q-jetput that I had  new shaft bushings.  I am using ª 6=
9 jets and 48b primary metering rods with AX secondary metering rods with=
 a K hangar.  The cfm rate is 750 cfm and the carb ª is 7042251. =

 I am also using the paper filter in the carb.  for fuel system
 I am using a Holley Blue electric through stock fuel lines and using the=
 =

 stock pickup and the regulator is set at 7 PSI. For exhaust i am using =

 Hooker headers with 1 7/8 primary tubes with a 3 inch full exhaust =

 with Flowmaster 3 inch mufflers with 3 inch tail pipes. =

 For ignition, i am using the MSD pro billet distributor and the MSD blas=
ter =

 coil and the MSD 6A box with NGK 5670-7 spark plugs gapped at .040
 The wires are just Accel black 8mm wires. I am still using power steerin=
g
and the GM thermo clutch fan and a 160 degree thermostat. I am using 10W3=
0
 Mobile Synthetic oil and a K&N 3.5 air filter.
 It is also important how you set up your car such as I am using the stoc=
k
 posi rearend but with 4:10 gears and the th400 has a shift kit and I am =
using =

 a ATI treemaster torque converter that stalls at 3500 RPM.  I shift at
 5600RPM when i race this car.  If i drive the car without hot dogging it=
 I get about
 12mpg.
 This motor was built for street and strip.  I drove the car to Norwalk
 dragway which is 130 miles from my house and ran it that night with time=
s of 12.60's
 consistently.  Anymore questions, I be glad to help.  By the way at idle=

 which is at 1000RPM I pull 15 inches of vacuum so you can run power brak=
es,
 but my car is manual.   Other bits of advice is you can use a 460 Ford
 rear main seal which is same size as olds but is one piece and for the p=
an =

 gasket, use a 350 olds diesel because it has a steel shim to prevent
 squashing. At the NMCA event at Norwalk in September I ran a best et of
12.47@108.23mph.  Now after going to Detroit Dragway on Tuesday it ran th=
e best time
of 12.183 @ 109.98mph.  I also drove the car to Detroit which is about an=
 half hour drive.  If anymore questions arise call me or email me. <B>313=
 336 8135
 W MACHINES@AOL.COM  (Mark Prince)</B>
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The color of my car is Saddle Bronze with Saddle Tan stripes with Saddle =
Brown interior.
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:21:25 -0400
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust overhaul

Tim Rudolph wrote:
>
>   Thanks for all of your input on the cleaning electrical connections..  On
> to my next question.  My first major project on this car will be redoing
> the exhaust system.  In its current shape it is for one, pretty darn rusty,
> and secondly way too loud for an urban area.  As some of you may have seen
> in the pictures of my car, the tailpipes exit prior to the rear wheels.  I
> was wondering what kind of experience you folks have had with various
> exhaust setups from different people.. (Fusicks, Year One, etc.) as well as
> any problems you may have encountered.  I have decided to stick with
> headers because I don't have a set of exhaust manifolds and a new set of
> headers are priced reasonably.  Are there any problems with fitting these
> in a '69 442 Convertible?  The car does have headers in it at the moment,
> although I'm not sure of what type and haven't bothered to measure what the
> dia. of the tubes are.  Also, with headers, will I have to cut the
> headpipes or anything to fit correctly or do the headers exit where
> manifolds would ?  Next, what type of mufflers do you reccomend?  I want a
> good performance muffler but not something particularly loud.
>
> Thanks for your time,
>
> Tim Rudolph
> trudolph@frii.com
> '69 442 Convertible

Being the car already has headers, installing new ones should not be to
much of a problem.  Stick with a good name brand of header ie Hooker.
I'm running hooker headers on my 67 Cutlass, tight fit, but the do fit
good.  From the collector back is 2.5 pipes, with a balance tube near
the trans, all the way to the rear bumper.  I choose the Flowmaster 3
chamber mufflers.  Theyhave a good sound and arenot too loud until I
open it up.  I think the balance tube seems to help the noise and the
low end power.

Eric Brubakken
ebrubak@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 11:43:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Paul Michael Junion <cutlass@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 heads....again.....

I have some more questions/concerns.....


What exactly makes for a good set of heads??  I always thought that the
bigger the valves the better the heads.  What are the advantages of a set
of "H" heads compared to say a set of "C" heads????  After all the C's
have bigger valves......

...and how much would some people pay for a set of "H" heads???  I am not
going to sell them, but just for curiosity.......

thanks, Paul


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University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Senior in Civil Engineering with emphasis in Transportation/Municipal
I am from Green Bay, Wisconsin.....graduated from GB Southwest in 1990
I also have another e-mail account....satan@watt.cae.uwm.edu
"FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK, WE SOLUTE YOU"

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 12:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: BFG Drag Radials

In a message dated 97-09-25 10:01:07 EDT, you write:

<< While reading Mark's note about drag racing his 72 W-30, I remembered
 seeing BFG Drag Radials on it in Lansing.  From the 60 ft. times it is
 obvious that he is hitting the tires very hard when launching the car.
 I was hoping Mark would share some tire info with us regarding his tires
 and car.  Also, Mark, how do think these tires would work behind a four
 speed car?  I am considering buying a set and changing the gears in my
 car to 3.91s.  Your thoughts would be very helpful.

 TIA
 Dave(tractionless)Wyatt
 70  4-4-2
  >>
I love my BFG tires, I am using the size of 28x8.8 or know at the 275R15 60
drag radial tire.  I have this tire mounted on an eight inch rim.  Depending
on the track,  at
Norwalk I use 20 psi of pressure and at Detroit I had to go down to 16 psi on
the tires.
I used to use the M&H dot street tires size of 29x12x15.  The BFG hook just
as good as the M&H's.  I found the key to these tires is to heat them until
you see smoke and then just ride right to the prestart line.  Also, I drive
through the water and stop about 2 feet past the water to warm the tires.
 That prevents water from
dripping on the tires and then the car launches hard with no slippage.  as
for the specs on my engine rebuild, the file is kind of long, so email me and
I will send it.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30   12.183@109.98mph

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:50:13 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Alum. Heads - Update

>> New info from Edelbrock on their new Aluminum heads.
>>
>> "released approximately around the time of the SEMA Show which is
>> November of this year"
>>
>> Hopefully more info to come...


I'm going to SEMA.  It starts on November 4.  I'll look for the Olds heads
and report back to the group.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:03:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Paint Codes

In a message dated 97-09-25 10:03:57 EDT, you write:

<< I have a question about a 1970 paint code....What color would the paint be
 with a code of: 04A ? I cannot seem to find anything....
  >>
paint code its not, thats when the car was built.   04 is April and A is the
first week.

try the upper right hand corner, look for numbers or double dashes  - -

or 19  19    or 19   b        the 19  19 is upper and lower body colors or if
it looks like

19     B     then thats lower body with a black vinyl top

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:05:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: oops on the download file

sorry greg, I didnt mean to send that last file to the list, it was supposed
to
go to Chris Ruper,  wont happen again.

W MACHINES

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:29:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: BFG Drag Radials

In a message dated 97-09-25 12:55:33 EDT, you write:

<< the tires.
 I used to use the M&H dot street tires size of 29x12x15.  The BFG hook just
 as good as the M&H's.  I found the key to these tires is to heat them until
 you see smoke and then just ride right to the prestart line.  Also, I drive
 through the water and stop about 2 feet past the water to warm the tires.
  That prevents water from
 dripping on the tires and then the car launches hard with no slippage.  as
 for the specs on my engine rebuild, the file is kind of long, so email me
and
 I will send it.

 W MACHINES (Mark Prince) >>

When I was at Byron dragway a few weeks ago, there was a guy who had that
problem.  Warmed up, moved to the line, took off, and got out of it and
stopped halfway down the track.  Startd looking under the car for a few mins.
and figured out that he was getting water dripping on the tires when he went
down the track.  I'd guess it hooked ok, then "revved" going down the track
(like he was spinning the tires) and he thought he broke something.  He got
back in, and went back to the pits.  Can't blame him.  Stop and see what's
up, so you don't trash anything else that's still good.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:31:11 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Will it fit?

Will a W-30 hood (any year) fit on a 1977 model 442?

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:42:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4

In a message dated 97-09-25 08:58:24 EDT, you write:

<< Congratulations on your runs.  Very nice.  I'm sure there are quite a few
of
 us who would like to hear what you've done to the motor to run those
numbers.

 Chris Ruper >>


For sure!!

Tom Simmons

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 15:01:06 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4

Mark Prince writes:
>Now I can say my car is a 12 teen racer.

Yes you can, and Congratulations!!!


Michael R. Hall: OCA ª17903                    Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Ever-Growing Oldsmobile Stable:
1971 Oldsmobile 442
1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S
1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser
1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:20:07 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Pilot Bearing

Anybody have the specs on drilling the crankshaft for a pilot bearing on
the "automatic" crankshafts?

Mike
66 442
70 442
70 442 W30
71 442 Convt

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Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 00:11:45 -0500
From: Greg Skonberg <skonberg.g@mail.lchs.lake.k12.il.us>
Subject: 71 Cutlass Interior Needed

I'm looking for two black bucket seats, front and rear black door panels, a
black headliner, black rear dash and black lower front dash.  I guess I'm
looking for as much black interior excluding the front dash pad for a 71
cutlass S.  Any info on interchangeable parts between years would be helpful
also.  I am also looking for a rear bumper in good shape for the same car.

Thanks in advance!

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:37:13 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Big Brother amendment to HR 695

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
>
> Did you know that the very FIRST 68 H/O was rolled on it's way to the
> meeting with GM execs?  That means John Demmer has the SECOND H/O ever
> built.  (Keeping this post Olds-related.)
>
> Mike Rothe

Does this mean there was two 4-speed, header equipped '68 H/Os?

Daren

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:44:38 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Brake Upgrades

- ----------
> From: padavano.joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
>
>      Another option is to use the 11"x2" brakes from the 73-77 A-body
cars.
>       From what I understand, these will bolt up to the earlier cars.
>
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
>
Did the wagons from these years use larger brakes than the Cutlass? The
'75(?)-'77 ones that were based on the A body.

Daren

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Racing

     All this racing talk is getting the blood going. I haven't run my
72 W30 for 2 years since the top became too tattered to drive. That
car runs 13.30s @ 100 with a Ga headed 455, Turbo 400 and 3.42 gears.
The old time bandit has only allowed one trip this year: we took our
71 Cutlass Supreme HT. It's all stock: 350 4 barrel, Turbo 350, dual
exhaust and 3.08 rear. I ran a 16.12 @ 83 MPH and I was pleased. Even
if it's slow, take it to the track!
     WARNING: it's addictive! Here's some other times I've run in
various cars:

72 Delta 88 convertible 455:    16.30
69 Cutlass S 350 (modified):     13.98
69 Cutlass S 350 (stock):          16.40
75 F100 360:                            17.80
68 Fairlane station wagon 351: 17.70

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Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:58:52 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Manuals...

- ----------
> From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
>
> I am looking for some manuals:
>
> For: 1987 Eighty Eight Custom Cruiser
>      1991 Eighty Eight
>
> - Sales brochures
> - Assembly manuals
> - Service manuals
Boy I'm really kicking myself. Last spring I went to an auction at a Olds
dealer that sold his franchise to another dealer. There was a lot of
Service/Assemble manuals from mid '70s to current. They had them stacked on
3 or 4 tables probable at least 20 - 30 books per table plus some other
odds and ends. The most one of these tables went for was about $65 and I
think the lowest was $30. I could have bought them sold them $5-10 each
made a good profit and made some late model Olds owners happy. Knowing
myself though I'd probable get them home and decide to keep them. You never
no 20 years from now I might buy a '86 442 or something of the likes. I did
get a truck load of stuff for $50.

Daren

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:02:27 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: rebuilding olds 403

- ----------
> From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
>
>  > 1/4 mile 9.88@134.6mph @9371rpm
>  >
>  > Gross hp 938
       ^^^^^^ flywheel
>  > Net hp 694
       ^^^^ tires
>
> Sorry but I am very confused by the times. A Buick GN with a 4.1 V6
> thats been modified to less than 800 hp, Level10 200R4, or TH400,
> Art Carr 9" convertor (about 3-3.5K stall) 29" slicks w/3.73 rear, etc,
> will run low nines all day at less than 7000 rpm. Actually I believe
> that about 700 hp will bring it solidly into the nine at 3400 pounds.
> Why does the 403 have to work so hard to do nines???TIM

First don't GNs come with a 3.8 V6(I guess being modified explains the
4.1). Two a GN with less than 800hp at the flywheel or the tires? Three I
posted 3500 lbs. car and 200 lbs. driver for a total of 3700 lbs. which
would probable slow the car down 2-3 tenths compared to 3400 lbs.. I've got
a formula some where to figure required hp required for a certain e.t. but
of course I can't find it, but the Edelbrock catalog does have a formula to
find hp required for mph. I figure you need 709.69922 hp to run 135 mph in
the 1/4 with a total weighed of 3700 lbs. according to the formula.

How much boost do those GNs run? You got to remember that running just 14.7
lbs of boost makes the 231 a 462 and don't most of those race GNs run at
least 18-20 lbs. of boost? There is a replacement for displacement!

Daren

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 15:52:27 EDT
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: '64 Cutlass

James Thingwold <jht@exo.com> wrote:
>
>Interesting that all the 330's (possibly) got bucket seats.
>

I thought I followed up the inital post, but looking through my past days
digests, it doesn't look like it got out of my mailer... anywho:

Not all 330's got bucket seats. there is a bucket seat F-85 coupe with
a 330 in a junkyard near me.  Police cars came with a bench and the 330
as well.  there were 3 engine options: v6, 2bbl low compress 330, and
the 4bbl high compress 330.  3 transmissions too: 3spd man, 4spd man,
and the 2speed slushaway.  Most F-85s were v6's and 2bbl/v8s with
spartan bench interiors.  Cutlasses were all v8's (2 or 4 bbl) with
nice interiors and buckets.

Everyone in our club has '62,63, 65's.  I haven't seen a '64 yet.
Around North Georgia, I've seen a total of 3 other 64s on the road, one
was a red convertible here in Athens, and there was a white 2dr running
around norcross about 10 years ago.  I saw a 4door on I-285 once as well.
I've seen more in junkyards, but they are hard to find there as well.
there is the above mentioned f-85 in monroe, a 3 in cartersville...
a lt. blue f-85 2door coupe with a v6, and 2 2dr cutlasses.

One thing to be aware of with those 64's.  The rear axles in those 10 bolts
are made with cheap soft metal.  If a bearing siezes the axle is history,
instead of the bearing coming apart it'll take the axle.  a year ago my
64 lost an axle, every junkyard axle I found [3 of 'em] had spun bearings
and ruined axles.  I ended up having a machine shop weld up the grooved
axle and turn it down on a lathe to spec.  about $90 + bearing cost.
The 66-67 GM axles are 1/4" too long, the only interchange is 64-65 Olds
and Buick A-bodies.    Replace the rear bearings before they spin the race.

I've had my 64 for 10 years, and my father had a 64 back in the 60's.
let me know if you have a questions about 'em....

Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:23:51 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

- ----------
> From: BobH592058@aol.com
>
> Anybody ever hear of the Buick '70 GS 455 cid Stage I and II cars?
>
Yes those are some screamers!

> I would sorely love to build a snorting 425.  Bore it 0.125" over for a
total
> displacement of 445 ci.  I'll still spot the 455 crowd the 10 cubic
inches.
>  The 445 will make more torque than a 455, be freer revving and therefore
> make more HP too.
How about 425 with the bores resleeved with 403 sleeves? 472.8 cubic
inches. You'll have the rpm and displacement. Of course this wouldn't be
very practical. The block probable would have a problem with all the stress
created from resleeving all of the cylinders not to mention the $$$
required for custom pistons and all the machine work. Then again if you
might be able to use 350 diesel block with a 425 crank and 403 bores and
save a little weighed but then again I'm just dreaming.

Daren

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:13:13 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Test Dont Read

This is a teste

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:20:13 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: (Fwd) Subscribe Oldsmobile

SUBSCRIBE OLDSMOBILE
SUBSCRIBE OLDSMOBILE-DIGEST

Rick Copithorne <richardc@equitrac.com>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:29:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Will it fit?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Will it fit?

Will a W-30 hood (any year) fit on a 1977 model 442?

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:38:38 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: 69 Cutlass Supreme Help

1. My car has a rear window defroster blower installed in the package
deck.  It has a two speed switch on the dash.  Where can I find a new
motor for this beast?

Dave Welsh
- ----------
I've got one of those motors for sale. It works, and is all cleaned up
and in nice shape. With a good length of wire and a couple of retaining
clips for the wire. Includes the grill. Need remote trunk vacuum
solenoid? E-mail me privately.
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:24:02 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: 1970 98 for sale

Hey gang,

I went to look at an '83 H/O last week, but the guy sold it before I could
make an offer on it.  Well I found out he is also selling a 1970 98 Royale
LS.  I have no interest in this car but I figured someone on the list might
be.  It's pretty mint, bought from the proverbial little old lady, and just
used by this guy occasionally.  It has a 455, 4bbl, power everthing, air,
4drs, goldish/brown int/ext.  Approximately 86K miles. This car is
definately a clean original car and is NOT a rust bucket parts car.  Asking
price is $2700.
Call Steve at (201)652-4099, Northern NJ

I have no vested interest in this, just happened to see it while looking at
another Olds.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:39:13 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 vote and racing 1/4

> Mark Prince writes:
> >Now I can say my car is a 12 teen racer.

Well done, Mark!! I viewed the tapes of your car that we got on video at
Lansing the other day... sure sounds wonderful!! The neatest thing about
your car, I think, is that the engine and engine compartment looks just
about bone-stock (and quite sanitary, actually), but is capable of such
awesome performance. Well, that 12.19 is plenty neat too... :)

Great to meet you and Mike H. there, BTW...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:41:23 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Olds 8.5" vs. New Style 8.5"

We're talking 10 bolt rear ends here.  Summit has a "New Style 8.5""
rear end avalable.  It has 28 splines like my car.  The question is,
Will this rear end fit in my car?

Thanks
Brad
70 442

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:13:38 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Pilot Bearing

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> the "automatic" crankshafts?
>
I had this done to my crank. It took two different machine shops to do the
work. I remember someone has a large bronze bushing that fits the big part
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 17:57:09 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________
63 Starfire Console (red, very nice, no shifter, w/ Tach and nice shift
lens) $375.00
67 442/Cutlass Hardtop Quarters (mint) $450.00 pr
67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
67 W-30 Inner Ducts (originals, mint)  $300.00 pr
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
15x7 SSIII's (snap on caps no rings) 4  $125.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $165.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $250.00
69 Bucket Seats (black)  $50.00 pr
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $100.00 set
70 350 2 bbl engine (complete, 66,000 miles runs great)  $150.00
70 359 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 OAI Hood (nice) 2 very tiny stress cracks at scoop  $950.00
70 OAI Hood (good cond, need minor repairs)  $675.00
70-75 Sport Wheels (black with blue, black, center and collar)  $150.00 ea
70 Sport Mirrors (nice sets)  $155.00 set
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $250.00
71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
71 Cutlass/442 Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
70-72 455 Engine Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $495.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $400.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________
64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
V-8 Emblem  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $20.00 ea
65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $220.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille  (nice)  $55.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $120.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (good cond)  $30.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $230.00 set
Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $45.00 pr
LH C/S Rear side molding  $10.00
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 400 442 intake manifolds ª390390  $90.00 ea
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $55.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (nice)  $40.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $65.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $5.00
67 442 Chrome Trunk Panel (excellent)  $135.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $60.00 pr
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00

68 Cutlass/442
68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (tiny rust hole)  $250.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $250.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $100.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $75.00
70-72 Std. Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
"S" Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
"S" Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $100.00
Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea
Gold Auto Shift Console  $90.00 (no shifter)
70-71 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $200.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $15.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $110.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $38.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00

* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
adjustments on prices without notice.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:15:54 -0400
From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>
Subject: RE: Rallye 350 Chapter

From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Rallye 350 Chapter

Hello. I was wondering if anyone is in the rallye 350 chapter. In their
newsletter do they list classified ads? What kinds of things does the
chapter
do? Does anyone have the phone number for the chapter?
Thanks
Jim

Jim,
        I'm a member of this chapter but haven't had much contact with
anyone in it.  I have been away at school for the last year so I haven't
beem able to go to meetings or anything.  They do have a big meet every
fall at the Englishtown racetrack, with racing and showing. (By the way
it's October
11-12, and Dick Miller is supposed to be there.)
I stopped by for about  an hour last year and it seemed alright.  I can't
wait to go this year. :-)  They also have a big Christmas party in the
winter.

        The newsletter comes out bi-monthly, usuaslly has one short
article, updates on events, and classifieds (not just Olds either), as well
as other advertisements.  I am hoping to get more involved, especially if
we get to host the 2000 nationals.
Dues are $15, and being a registered OCA member is a prerequisite.
They can be reached at:
The Oldsmobile Rallye 350 Chapter
37 Georgia Street
Cranford, NJ 07016
(908)276-4395

By the way are you in NJ??

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
'83 Cutlass Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 16:00:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: bhorn@tnc.com (Beverley Horn)
Subject: RE: 1970 Paint Codes

>On Thursday, September 25, 1997 10:08 AM, bhorn@tnc.com
>[SMTP:bhorn@tnc.com] wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a question about a 1970 paint code....What color would the
>paint be
>> with a code of: 04A ? I cannot seem to find anything....
>>
>> Shayne
>>
>
>Are you sure this is a paint code. I do not see a 04 code in my chart.
>Maybe this is a time build code (April first week). The paint code is to
>the right up one line if you are looking at the Body and style plate.
>
>
>ST 70 34487 E - 1724 BDY
>TR  932           48   A PNT
>02D    CO8
>
>(Paint Code = 48 Sherwood green and A = fabric color or white vinyl top)
>
>
>If it is a paint code it would be some color with a white vinyl top.
>
>Bobby
>
>70 442 Escape Back to the .....Past
>

What is the paint code for Sebring Yellow? (Rallye 350)...
Shayne Horn

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:50:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: DocOlds723@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mondello?

  Years ago, I used to run Mondello parts, talked to him personally many
times, spent a lot of money only to end up breaking many parts, going slower,
spending more money.......... so on, so on.
  It was after years of frustration that I learned that he didn't
necessarilly have the answers, and he was merely a salesman, looking to earn
a buck. After that I chose to go elsewhere, which has turned out to be a
worthwhile choice.
  I don't claim to have all the answers, but I have been able to put together
a very reliable car that runs 10.teens that weighs 4000lbs. If you were in
Lansing, chances are that you had seen it in the parade. It is the white and
gold 1974 442.
  My only suggestion is that you don't treat his literature as Bible, and
seek other opinions. It pays off to research as many sources as possible.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:50:21 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: RE: 1970 Paint Codes

At 04:00 PM 9/25/97 -0600, you wrote:
Shayne

        The paint code for Sebring Yellow is - - on the data plate. Number
for it is 51.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts



>What is the paint code for Sebring Yellow? (Rallye 350)...
>Shayne Horn
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:57:06 -0400
From: kevin hawkins <hawk455@earthlink.net>
Subject: not olds related

deirdre. reilly wrote:
>
> Hey gang,
>
> I went to look at an '83 H/O last week, but the guy sold it before I could
> make an offer on it.  Well I found out he is also selling a 1970 98 Royale
> LS.  I have no interest in this car but I figured someone on the list might
> be.  It's pretty mint, bought from the proverbial little old lady, and just
> used by this guy occasionally.  It has a 455, 4bbl, power everthing, air,
> 4drs, goldish/brown int/ext.  Approximately 86K miles. This car is
> definately a clean original car and is NOT a rust bucket parts car.  Asking
> price is $2700.
> Call Steve at (201)652-4099, Northern NJ
>
> I have no vested interest in this, just happened to see it while looking at
> another Olds.
>
> Bill Reilly
> '85 Cutlass Supreme
> '83 Cutlass Ciera
lookig 4 1966 impala ss any 1 no of 1 please tell me

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:53:34 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                                        C&M Classic Parts
                                      1132 Chatmoss Drive
                                    Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                         (757)474-0869 or
                                      <chermac@exis.net>
Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm, Sunday Closed
We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and Discover.
New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________
63 Starfire Console (red, very nice, no shifter, w/ Tach and nice shift
lens) $375.00
66  442 Taillight Lens (very nice)  $75.00 pr
66  Cutlass/442 Side Chrome moldings (almost complete set) Inquire
66  400 "B" dash 1 heads (66 W-30, L-69) Big Valves (bare) $250.00
(4) 70-75 Sport Steering Wheels (black, nice centers, complete)  $150.00 ea
66-69  4 spd Console Top Plate w/glove box top (good to nice cond) $55.00
66-67 Glove Box Door (black, mint) $40.00
68  8-Track Unit (housing cracked, needs plastic one)  $65.00
68-69  Clock (don't know if it works, nice looking)  $35.00
69-72  Bench Seat Headrests (black, mint)  $45.00 pr
65 425 111089 Distributor  $20.00
67 442/Cutlass Hardtop Quarters (mint) $450.00 pr
67 W-30 Track Pac Core Support (nice, cutouts)  $300.00
67 W-30 Inner Ducts (originals, mint)  $300.00 pr
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support 3 Row (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
15x7 SSIII's (snap on caps no rings) 4  $125.00
69 Tail Light Bezels (nice, pit free)  $165.00 pr
69 Trunk Lid (Conv, nice)  $250.00
69 Bucket Seats (black)  $50.00 pr
70-72 Wide Chrome window moldings (with sweepers)  $100.00 set
70 350 2 bbl engine (complete, 66,000 miles runs great)  $150.00
70 359 4 bbl Stick engine (complete, minus carb runs great)  $275.00
70 FLAT Fender RH (small metal patch panel installed nice)  $300.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Door Panels (black mint) 4 for $100.00
70 OAI Hood (nice) 2 very tiny stress cracks at scoop  $950.00
70 OAI Hood (good cond, need minor repairs)  $675.00
70 Sport Mirrors (nice sets)  $155.00 set
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
71-72 Fender RH (small metal patch in bottom)  $250.00
71 Bucket Seats (need recovering, white, plastic rough)  $35.00 pr
71 C/S Door Panels (white w/pwr windows)  $40.00 pr
71-72 W-455 Aluminum intake ((2) 1/8th in repaired cracks) $675.00
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $60.00
71 Cutlass/442 Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
70-72 455 Engine Mounts (NEW, made in USA)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts (NEW, Made in USA)  $38.00 pr
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
_______________________________________________
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $120.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $495.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $400.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
_______________________________________________
64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $50.00
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
V-8 Emblem  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $20.00 ea
65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $245.00
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $220.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille  (nice)  $55.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $120.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $300.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (good cond)  $30.00
66-67 AM Radios (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $230.00 set
Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $45.00 pr
LH C/S Rear side molding  $10.00
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $18.00 pr
67 400 442 intake manifolds ª390390  $90.00 ea
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $55.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $30.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop/Conv Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (nice)  $40.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $70.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $65.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $5.00
67 442 Chrome Trunk Panel (excellent)  $135.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $60.00 pr
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00

68 Cutlass/442
68 Hood Hinges  $55.00 pr
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $27.50 pr

69 Cutlass/442
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (tiny rust hole)  $250.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $250.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $135.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $100.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 455 Std. Iron intake manifold (auto cars)  $75.00
70-72 Std. Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
"S" Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
"S" Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $100.00
Black A/C Dash Pads  $120.00 ea
Gold Auto Shift Console  $90.00 (no shifter)
70-71 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (has small patch panel)   $200.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens  $15.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $110.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $38.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00

* Due to the rarity of some parts, we reserve the right to make market
adjustments on prices without notice.

Jim Chermack
OCA ª24275

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 19:55:54 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Parts List

To All,

        Sorry! We initially sent the non-updated list. Sorry to send two
lists to everyone and eat up bandwidth.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:02:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Racing

what r the specs on that g head 455??
just curious
     bernie............rcktpwr@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:30:35 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Vote for Olds

M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
>  Mark Prince's W-30 is posted in the "My Classic Car" phot contest for this
> week.
> http://www.myclassiccar.com/gallery/gallery.shtml
>  Let's all get out and vote to support our favorite cars (Olds naturally),
> and a real example in Mark's W-30.

I just did....5 times!
(I have a few different e-mail addresses)

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:39:06 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 442 Question

 Cecil,

These cars came w/no mirrors, but could have had a driver's side one.  That
was either manual or remote.  There was a passengers side that matched the
manual one for the right.  My 1968 has a remote driver's side one & the
manual type for the right.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Hi All,
>
>I friend of mine just recently purchased a 1969 442 and has one what I
think
>should be a simple question for the list members.
>
>His car has only the drivers side rear-view mirror on the car.  Is this
>correct or should it have a rear-view mirror on the passenger side also?
>
>Thanks in advance!
>Cecil
>1991 W-41
>OCA ª29604
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:45:51 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Twin batteries

 Don,

Cold does come here to AL in the winter.  We will have anything from 70F
to -15F.  The -15F is a once every 4-5 years thing, but it is pretty tough
when it does happen.  I never send my Oldsmobile out in such a thing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>> ..............................................................
>Using either temperature scale that is pretty cold.  In central Ky it
>doesn't get anywhere near that except for wind chill factors a few days
>every once in a while. (Long gaps between times, too.)  It does get
>kinda cold in the deep South (notice the capital letter, Bill) every
>once in the while.  I remember going to watch Ky play West Va in a bowl
>game in Birmingham, Al several years ago and freezing while sitting in
>the stands.  (I know, I know something about UK playing in a bowl game
>again when **** freezes over.)
>
>Don Sowers
>

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: 455 block = 425?!

<<Somebody wrote...

The 425 and 455 use the same block
==============

Ah, not quite. There's at least two different 425 D blocks and 2 different
455
F blocks. The D's differ only if you need lifters or a cam; the F's
difference
matters only if you need to use a manual trans with original Z-bar linkage.
Why
not just use a hydraulic clutch...>>

Ah, Chris?  I just checked the 455's in both our cars and they both have the
boss and tapped hole for the ball stud needed for the Z-bar.  Is there
something else?

Another difference is 455 F block is notched at the bottom of each bore to
handle the connecting rod.  A 425 block could be made to take the 455
crank/rods/pistons with a little grinding.

Funny thing is the last 425 block I looked at actually had indentations in
the casting excatly where they need to be ground for 455 guts.  Curious huh?

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:10:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 vs. 425 vs. 455

<<
>Hmmmmm.......Here I am out of bounds on this one, but if I recall, did
>not the 425 use a 45 degree cam bank angle, vs the 455 39 degree???

The normal big-car 425 used the 45' cam bank with the small lifters; the
factory high-performance 425 (Toro, and Starfire/Jetstar I I believe) used
the 39' cam bank with the larger lifters.>>

Don't forget the 66-67 442 400's which used the same lifters and cam angle as
Toro.

>>I'm still looking for a reciprocating assembly and main caps for my '66
Toro
block. It's got all the original lifters, but I was wondering if anyone has
ever heard of resurfacing the existing lifters for use with a different cam?
If they were ground in a certain way when they were produced, would not a
decent machine shop be able to "regrind" them? That might be a more feasible
option when the lifters run around $90-$120 a set. >>

Check out Hemmings.  There are several sources for this in there.  Like you
can't walk to NAPA and get new lifters for you Hispano-Suiza (sp?). So there
are outfits that recut the base of lifters.  Wasn't very expensive either, a
few bucks a lifter.

<<In addition, the original cam is still in the block; I'd like to use that,
but since it's been sitting, it probably could use a polishing. Is anyone
familiar with the procedure for doing so? I imagine that you could simply do
whatever finish procedures were used for a reground cam>>

Again, check out Hemmings, I _think_ I saw an ad for an outfit that could
even regrind your old cam to new specs. Assuming it isn't cratered with a
wiped lobe. If your resurfacing the lifters why not the cam?

Back in olden times you had to ship your bumpstick to Isky and have it ground
with a whole new base circle so you could increase lift specs and duration.
 Real fancy technical designations like full race, 3/4 race, 1/2 race.
 Nobody but the cam grinders knew what duration and lift was being shipped.

No reason why an old but good used camshaft can't be rejuvenated if the
blanks aren't available anymore.

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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