
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 2 1997      Volume 01 : Number 880



Re: HEI questions
63 Starfire original wheels
Re: TPI fro Olds?
Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?
Re: Door Hinge Hanging Tips?
Re: Door Hinge Hanging Tips?
Re: Top Speed
Re: last chance to Vote Olds
Posi unit availability?
Re: rebuilding olds 403
Re: Blinker speed
Re: new modine radiator
VFI or TBI...was Re: TPI fro Olds?
Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?
Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question
Oldsmobile Webring
Re: TPI fro Olds?
Re: Rear axle seal
Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?
Re: Blinker speed
Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question
Re: Floor Work
Muscle Car Review
Radials vs. Ply
Re: Floor Work
Re: Muscle Car Review
Re: Olds Movies 
Re: Muscle Car Review
Re: Olds Movies 
Parts for sale
circuit breakers
Re: CC'ing cylinder heads
MY 1986 442
Mid Eighties Rallye guages?
425 distributor
Re: MY 1986 442
W Machines
Re: 425 distributor
Re: W Machines
MY OLDS WON!!!!
Carb and distributer Numbers
Rallye 350 for sale???
Mike Blankenship
8 Track Thank-you
Re: Floor Work(new number)
Re: Olds Movies
Re: Carb and distributer Numbers
Re: W Machines
lansing pics changed
Re: Olds Movies
Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: Floor Work
Re: Paint code/name
Color Codes --- 53/53?
Re: Color codes
Turn signals & Heads
Re: Color Codes --- 53/53?
"Gold"en Opportunity...
Re: Posi unit availability?
List removal  
Re: W Machines
Re: Muscle Car Review
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
Re: Turn signals & Heads
radio install
It was a good day
IDEA: Place to talk real time
Re: MY 1986 442
Re: Oldsmobile Webring
Slow night?
Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
w30 ==> Std 455
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
Re: Color codes
Re: Carburator Question
Re: lansing pics changed
Chicago video
hot rod 307
65 V-C
Ford tools?
Re: radio install
Re: Olds Movies 
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
Re: Slow night?

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 08:19:36 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: HEI questions

Rule of thumb, the less play the better, also, are you trying to go 
for OEM Specs on the engine? Or performance, you can get an 
aftermarket performance distrib and save alot of time and energy for 
around 100 bucks, Accel and MSD are two very common/respectible after 
market distributers, and make excellent HEI Conversion kits.


> housing, which looks pretty oxidized?  How much up-down play
> should there be in the shaft?  All three move up and down alot.
> 
> -Jeff
> 1970 442  4-Speed
> somewhere north of Chicago
> 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:31:49 -0400
From: Ted Loranz <tloranz@acumeter.com>
Subject: 63 Starfire original wheels

Does anyone know where I can find (4) original 14" X 6" wheels with a 5
bolt pattern on a 5" bolt circle to fit my 63 Starfire? I have the
original spinner wheel covers but can't install them because the
previous owner of the car put 15" wheels on.

Ted Loranz
tloranz@acumeter.com
OCA 029666
1963 Starfire

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:08:45 -0400
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: TPI fro Olds?

At 09:59 AM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Can someone tell me why there are no TPI systems available for a 350
>Rocket, or any Olds engine (early) for that matter?  Can get them for
>any Chevy or Ford, but no Olds.  I can get a custom system for $4500,
>but for that, I can get a whole new engine.
>Ingmar Ott
>iao2@cdc.gov
>
Ingmar,
     I have been looking into this also. Found a company called Fuel
Injection specialties. They said they made one for a 350 Olds. For around
$2200 you get everything, right down to the fuel filter and distrbutor and
everything is GM parts. Might want to check them out. 
     Their address is: http://www.fuelinjection.com
Hope this helps,

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Surpeme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:49:34 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?

In the same regard as Toros getting the better parts, what about the
extra capacity oil pan? Did all Toros with an Olds V-8 have the extra
capacity oil pan? I'm thinking that the 307 powered Toros didn't have
the extra capacity for economic reasons.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 09:41:20 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Door Hinge Hanging Tips?

> Any tips on hanging doors? This seems to be a fairly involved process.
[...]
> 3) Remove/replace one hinge at a time while my friend holds the door 
> to bear some of the weight.

Right. Do that and you won't have a friend, or possibly a door.  :-)
Actually it's fairly easy to support the door with a trolley jack and
a block of wood for padding. You can just pump the jack up or down to
make fine adjustments, too, as you get the alignment worked out.


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 10:50:54 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Door Hinge Hanging Tips?

Andrew C. Green wrote:

> Actually it's fairly easy to support the door with a trolley jack and
> a block of wood for padding. You can just pump the jack up or down to
> make fine adjustments, too, as you get the alignment worked out.

This is what I did to re-align my driver's door.  I didn't take the hinges
off, or anything.  I just loosened all the hinge-to-frame mounting bolts
and put a piece of wood and a cloth on the pad of my floor jack and ever so
slightly cranked the door up about 1/4" and re-tightened the mounting
bolts.

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 07:55:16 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Top Speed

Mike,

> about that, but the point was the hp rating, I apologize if I
> insulted any 307 owners.

Hey no offense taken.  Wanna race?!?! :-) Just kidding.  I probably
could push/pull my 82 with my 442 and go faster than the 82 by itself.

Oh well....

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:00:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: last chance to Vote Olds

hi tom
            I TOO HAVE AN OLDS W-31  THEY ARE GREAT MACHINES. TELL ME ABOUT
YOURS.THAT CAM IS WILD ESPECIALLY WITH A 4 SPEED

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:23:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Posi unit availability?

Hi Everyone,
I would like to upgrade my 67' 442 to a posi rear end. The rear end in my car
has a twelve bolt cover, but I'm told that the ring gear is in fact a 8.5"
ten bolt.
Randy at Ring & Pinion tells me the posi units are no longer available for
this 
rear end.  Is this true? If so does anyone have a posi with a set of 3:43
gears
they'd like to part with?

Thanks,

Mark Berube
Loganville, GA.
67' 442

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:03:50 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: rebuilding olds 403

>a 231 would be about the same as a 693 naturally aspirated engine. Now ask
>you self if you wanted to run 9s which would be easier a 403 or a 693?
>Those V6s running 28 lbs. of boost are working very hard. Just imagine
>running that much boost in a 403 (1209 c.i). 

heh... I can just picture the fragments now...

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:15:42 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Blinker speed

>  My 69 442's turn signals blink pretty quickly..  How might I slow 'em
>down to 'standard' speed?  Any ideas?  The hazards blink at the proper
>speed, just not the turn signals.. Thanks.

A bulb might be burnt out, which would trigger such an "enthusiastic"
signal. If all the bulbs are working, though, you might try swapping the
flasher unit on the fusebox (little round can-shaped thing); replacements
shouldn't cost too much.

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:23:25 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: new modine radiator

>   Maybe we should talk, I pulled the radiator from my '80 Toronado
>Diesel a month ago.  It has the same cooler lines you mentioned. 
>Blow-by got the best of it 5 years ago, I just sent it to the scrap
>yard.  I had bought a gas 350 to put into it but in the mean time they
>started checking emissions here.  I knew it wouldn't pass that so I gave
>up.

Stan,

Just one question; do they have a serious visual inspection? Are the
diesels even subject to inspection? That's one major advantage to a gas
conversion of a diesel car; the diesel engine code in the VIN usually
exempts such cars from any emissions inspections, so they never actually
get around to asking whether that engine is still running on diesel or not.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 10:29:08 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: VFI or TBI...was Re: TPI fro Olds?



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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:56:49 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?

>In the same regard as Toros getting the better parts, what about the
>extra capacity oil pan? Did all Toros with an Olds V-8 have the extra
>capacity oil pan? I'm thinking that the 307 powered Toros didn't have
>the extra capacity for economic reasons.
>--
>David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
>         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
>http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
>
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David --

The later Toro 350 and 307 pans differ from rwd pans in appearance but not
capacity.  They look deeper and less wide.  This is to clear the final
drive unit.  The 403 powered Toro's used in '77 and '78 use the same 6
quart pan as the early 425 and 455 cars,  but they do not have the baffles
that bolted to the main caps like the big motors did.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 13:13:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question

The block is disassembled and the heads are off and it is time to install 
the cam and timing chain.  The book says to bring #1 to TDC on the 
compression stroke but when the heads are off there isn't a compression 
stroke or is there and if so, how does one figure it out.  Then for a 
straight up installation align the dots with the dowel pin at the top but 
if the dowel pin is at the top the lifters are not on the heels of the 
cam and the valves will not be closed. AAARgh.. I knew I should never 
have read the book... A succinct explanation and description of how to 
install the timing chain would be most helpful...Thanks 

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:05:47 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Oldsmobile Webring

In lieu of Lisa's announcement of her Free Banner site, I guess I should
advertise the Oldsmobile webring.  You can check out http://www.webring.org
to find out about what a webring is.  Basically, it is a common link
between sites of related interest.  For example, I've had this webring
setup for about 3 weeks now and there are about 10 members, currently. 
What happens is when somebody signs up, HTML code gets sent to them that
has the little webring browser.  You can see the browser at the bottom of
my Cutlass page (http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html) and you
can sign up to have your site listed in the 'ring at
(http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/oldsring.html).  Of course, it is all
free.  Questions?  Just feel free to email me.  Thanks.
- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:46:14 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: TPI fro Olds?

About the Olds factory FI system, could someone describe the manifold in
detail for me? Is it just a regular carb type manifold modified with
injector bosses near the heads? Is it a 2bbl or 4bbl design? Are the
intake holes smaller than a regular manifold? Anything special about the
throttle body? It is just an adaptor for the air cleaner? What about an
ID and casting number? Thanks!

David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:58:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

> M&D Gillespie wrote:
> > 
> > Does anyone have any tricks to getting the axle out without the special
> > tool? The same applies to the seal itself. Is it easy to get out without
> > using the special "puller"? What about replacing the seal? Is there any
Try threading a giprock screw into the seal then use vise-grips and 
hammer.  After all, all the seal tools I've seen just look like a 
slide-hammer with a scre on the end.  Also, a set of those curved and/or 
straight 'pokey' screwdriver-type things is an investment that will last 
a lifetime..

...............self-promo sig file Version 2.2...............
Eric Aksomitis:  Cool homepage of cool cars and cool scenery
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/       mailto:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca
..............................................................

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:11:17 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?

The later Toro 350 and 307 pans differ from rwd pans in appearance but
not
capacity.  They look deeper and less wide.  This is to clear the final
drive unit.  The 403 powered Toro's used in '77 and '78 use the same 6
quart pan as the early 425 and 455 cars,  but they do not have the
baffles
that bolted to the main caps like the big motors did.

Tony
- ----------
Thanks. Are the 425, 455 pans also deeper and less wide? Anyone know if
the non V-8 Toros have extra capacity oil pans and/or better parts?
Probably not, but what the heck.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:09:30 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Blinker speed

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> >  My 69 442's turn signals blink pretty quickly..  How might I slow 'em
> >down to 'standard' speed? 

> A bulb might be burnt out, which would trigger such an "enthusiastic"
> signal. 

Wrong, not on a 69.  If you have a burned out bulb, most likely they
won't flash at all, or really slow.  The technicals of it involve a self
resetting circuit breaker (also known as a flasher) that will open the
circuit when the load is too high (resistance too low...)  On these, the
bulbs will light, amperage will gain, circuit breaks, things cool down,
breaker reconnencts, etc.  If a bulb is not adding to the resistance,
the process will be slowed down.  If there is a short circuit somewhere,
the breaking current will be reached much sooner.  If there is a shorted
bulb, perhaps, this would happen...  

On ~newer~ vehicles, say late 80's and newer, they incorporate a
different circuit to make a fast flash with a higher resistance.

On this, if all the bulbs work and are correct, change the flasher, cuz
it's weak.  If any bulbs don't work, or are noticably brighter than
others, check for shorted wiring, shorted filaments, or incorrect bulbs.
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:25:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question

bring #1 to top dead center.  with the cam in the block, line up the timing
marks.  the compressions stroke doesn't matter.  it only matters if the
disrtibuter is in.  once the timing marks are lined up, put the timing chain
on.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:31:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Floor Work

jc whitney's web page is currently under construction.
here is the web page:
http://www.jcwhitney.com/

also i might give a call to paddock.  the number is (800)847-7378.  when you
call they will send you a free catalog.  prices for carpet kits are stated
below.  this kit includes 1 molded carpet, 1 16oz 3M trim adhesive, and 1 set
of under carpet sound deadener.  they also carry floor mats.
64-67     $144.95
68-72     $144.95
73          $153.95
74-76     $153.95
77          $153.95


mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 08:11:52 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Muscle Car Review

Help! I am looking for the ACC Auto Custom Carpets add out of the
September MCR so I can use the 20% discount to but carpet for my 442.
If someone could E-mail me the code number from the add I would really
appreciate it.

Thanks, Jeff Antonucci
'70 442 Conv.
'91 Quad 442 W-41

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 12:45:40 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Radials vs. Ply

Hoosier has sets of road racing tires that that they just released. 
There are two versions, radials and plys.  What would be the difference?

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:03:37 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Floor Work

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> also i might give a call to paddock.  the number is (800)847-7378.

Wrong number.  This is for MBNA.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:27:29 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

Hey Jeff, check prices carefully.  Year One sells the ACC carpet under their
own name, 90$ if I remember right.  Its the exact same carpet, the ACC rep told
me this at Carlisle a year ago.


>Help! I am looking for the ACC Auto Custom Carpets add out of the
>September MCR so I can use the 20% discount to but carpet for my 442.
>If someone could E-mail me the code number from the add I would really
>appreciate it.

Todd Morris
71 442

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:16:00 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Movies 

What about the Movie with Slyvester Stallone and Denis Leary.It also 
starred Wesley Snipes. The Sweet Red 442 that they had buried 
underground...What about the Karate Kid 4 with the Sweet Red 442 in 
that as well. 
 1964 Olds 442 350 Rocket 

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:34:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

       jeff
                I LOOKED IN THE SEPT ISSUE OF M.C.R.   NO ADS FOR  A.C.C,
IF IT IS IN ANOTHER ISSUE, LET ME KNOW  I MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP.
                                                                JIM

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:53:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Movies 

The movie Milk Money had an olds cutlass. I think that it was blue. I don't
remember the year. I think it was a 69 or 70.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:00:25 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Parts for sale

Took a good look around this time for some parts E me if your interested 
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

1968

Clock  works well			$35.00
Wheel well chrome		$25.00 each.
Tach and Gauges			$300.00
Front side markers		$20.00 each
Rear side markers			$20.00 each
Black dash pad  Mint		$90.00
Rad cradle                4 core		$75.00
Rad cradle                   3 core	$60.00
Hood Hinges			$35.00
400 engine complete (willing to separate) $350.00
Th400 OG			$100.00
442 Air breather			$75.00
3 speed standard console		$275.00

1969

442 Grills 			$190.00
SSI   code JK 14x6		$100.00
Supreme trunk chrome (2 inch piece)	$50.00
Nos reverse light 			$15.00
Vaccuum Trunk switch with chrome$25.00
Power antenna & switch 		$60.00
Wiper switch 			$40.00
Radio plate (uncut)		$20.00
Power Top switch & wiring	$40.00
Power antenna Switch		$15.00
Rear defroster Switch & wiring	$25.00

1970

Tail light lens (Cutlass)		$10.00 each
Tail light lens (Supreme)		$12.00 each
Nos fender script "Cutlass"	$30.00 each
Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)	$20.00 each
Nos 442 emblem sets (full)		$225.00 
F85 fender script 			$30.00 pr.
Rear side marker lights		$15.00 each
Front side marker lights		$20.00 each

1971 & 1972

Nos grill filler			$30.00
Nos headlight frames(plastic)	$75.00 pr.
Front bumper directional lens	$10.00 ea.
Tail light lens			$10.00 ea.
Power bench seat 			$100.00
Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E"	$30.00

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com
905-357-4454

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:12:37 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: circuit breakers

Rocketeers,
	I have come across a source for GM circuit breakers for PW/PCT/PS.
Any interested E-MAIL me direct.............patton@comcat.com
(my return address sometimes does not post well)


				Tanks
				The General

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:26:13 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: CC'ing cylinder heads

- ----------
> From: chris smetana <chris@abcs.com>
>
> 
> I know we discussed this topic several months ago, but I don't remember
the outcome/conclusion other than checking your local >chemistry store for
a buret.  Well, I was looking thru my July Car Craft and in the back on
page 113 there is a company that sells head >CC kits.  Their name is
Powerhouse Products and they have several kits.  Phone number is
1-800-872-7223.  Don't have any association >with this company or any
insight, just wanted to pass along some possibly useful information.

http://www.powerhouseproducts.com/

Daren 

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 18:25:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: MY 1986 442

I would like some information on how I can obtain a spolier for my 1986 442.
Also I would like to know if anyone knows somewhere that sells a High
Performance rebuid kit for that car.  And a top 10 best things you think I
should do for more power!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: 1 Oct 1997 15:00:32 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Mid Eighties Rallye guages?

Out wandering the pick-your-part today with a friend, I came up to a
80's Cutlass that had the full rallye gauge cluster.  I was wondering
how much this was worth, and if it was worth it to pull it out of the
vehicle.  I think I am going to grab the steering wheel off of the car
as well.

I also got an HEI distributor at the yard today, out of a '76-77
Cutlass.  I could turn the thing by hand, seems like they couldn't get
it tuned.  A luttle tug and it was mine.

On a side note:  I saw a '79 Buick Lesabre turbo coupe in the yard a few
weeks ago, it had 4 wheel disc brakes.  Are there still parts made for
this brake setup?  It would be rather neat to have a 4 wheel disc setup
on my 88.  Currently I have 11" disc / 9.5" drum on it now, with a 7.5"
2.41 rearend.  the rearend on the buick was also 7.5"

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

PS, '70-'72 cutlass there that had a G-head 455, someone took the motor
AND the air cleaner.  Left the frame mounts though.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:02:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bittybird@aol.com
Subject: 425 distributor

I have a 1970 Cutlass conv with a 1967 425 in it.
I need to set the timing but can't locate the bolt? that frees the
distributor.
I'm sure if was a snake I would have been bit.
Can anyone help?

Thanks,JWL

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:07:35 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: MY 1986 442

RISHIG@aol.com wrote:
> 
And a top 10 best things you think I
> should do for more power!!!!!!!!!!

1. Lose the 307 and get yourself a 350 or better yet, 455. Keep your
mouth shut and plug one nostril. This is what the 307 feels like. Not
bashing 307's or anything ;-).
2. Get some 5, 6, 7, or 7a Heads. This will boost your compression a
little. You could get 3's or 4's, but I doubt you could find an Olds 330
in a junkyard anywhere.
3. Get a real cam. Comp Cams has a good selection.
4. Port+polish your heads (and Intake?)
5. Get 5A heads and get yourself the Performer RPM kit for Edelbrock.

That's all I could think to do. Anymore?

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:08:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: W Machines

Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's here
details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many people on the
list have these rare and powerful machines.

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

the timing bolt should be just right of the distributer on the block.  you
may need a special wrentch to loosten it.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:18:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machines

hi jim, well you know what i have. did you ever find a rallye yet?   steven.
w30442cs@aol.com       by the way are rallye`s included in your survey?  the
have a W option.   

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:23:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: MY OLDS WON!!!!

Well thanks to the Olds list and digest and a few friends, I have won the 
first round of the MCC run-off.  The big one comes in December when they
pair 18 cars against each other.  I would like to Thank everyone full heartly
for your support of my 72 W-30.  So now we will have to give other Oldsmobile
cars the same support.  Unfortunately this week there is no oldsmobiles to
vote
for :(   So I will keep everyone posted and BTW  I am off to the track again
this
Friday, and hope to achieve a time faster than my 12.18.  I have done a
little 
modifying to the carb, jet change and metering rod change.  We will see how
fast
she goes.  Mike Hall will be there and so will Mark Cornea and hopefully 
Gary Rubrich.  And anybody else in the metro Detroit area who would like to
join
the Olds racing at Detroit Dragway, come on down for the Test and Tune
session.
It starts at 5:00 and runs till 10:00 pm on Friday, October 3rd, 1997


W MACHINES  (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 Race Rocket

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:25:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Carb and distributer Numbers

What is the correct distributer number for a 1970 Cutlass w31-350? same for
the carb.
Carb Number                   7040255
Distributer Number           1111935


Are these numbers correct?

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Rallye 350 for sale???

I am looking for a rallye 350. If anyone has any leads or has one to sell
PLEASE e-mail me!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:40:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Mike Blankenship

Mike Blankenship e-mailed me about a car being for sale. I asked him for the
number and he never replied. I haven't seen his name on the list lately. Does
anyone know his address and why he hasn't been on the list lately? I really
need to ask him a question!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:44:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: 8 Track Thank-you

I would like to thank-you for the correct wiring for the eight track player!I
installed it and it works great!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:49:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Floor Work(new number)

here try this number to paddock:
(800)428-4319

if this doesn't work, then i don't know what to tell you

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:46:59 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Movies

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> The movie Milk Money had an olds cutlass. I think that it was blue. I don't
> remember the year. I think it was a 69 or 70.

1972 Cutlass Convertible.  Beauty.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:51:27 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Carb and distributer Numbers

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> What is the correct distributer number for a 1970 Cutlass w31-350? same for
> the carb.
> Carb Number                   7040255
> Distributer Number           1111935
> 
> Are these numbers correct?


Distributor- 1111975.  I pulled one from an original wrecked 70 W-31
back in 1975.  Lookin at it right now.  Also listed in the 6/73 parts
book as such.  350 4 BC w/OAI.  As a note, the 935 was for a 69 455 4 BC
execpt performance engine.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:50:23 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's here
> details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many people on the
> list have these rare and powerful machines.not only do I own a W machine...its a DROPTOP!!! the best of both 
worlds...its a 1971...viking blue exterior (7K in paint work) with white 
stripes and white interior....has a tilt column...power drivers bucket 
seat...W-27 rear end....I still am putting together the 
interior...haven't had it on the road since it was painted...trailer 
queen...:(....oh well...might have to sell it down the road and get 
something a lil more STREETABLE!!!    Hoagie

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 17:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Subject: lansing pics changed

I put a different set of Lansing pictures up just now.  
PLEASE GO AND SEE THEM!!  Tripod's homepage builder gave me 
more trouble than normal (Netsc. Nav. 3 and it don't really 
get along too awful well) and I want all the effort to be worth 
it ;-).  The address has changed as well.  You can now find 
the page at

http://members.tripod.com/~rovernut/lansing/lansing.html

but if you had a link to the old one, it is still good as I put a page
up there.

Enjoy...

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com





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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:14:50 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Movies

Mike Rothe wrote:
> 
> DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > The movie Milk Money had an olds cutlass. I think that it was blue. I don't
> > remember the year. I think it was a 69 or 70.
> 
> 1972 Cutlass Convertible.  Beauty.
> 
> Mike Rotheonly problem I had was with the THIN PLOT....an OLDS that wouldn't 
RUN.....AS IF!!!I still have a soft spot for drop tops....in any 
form....hoagie

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:38:19 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Well thanks to the Olds list and digest and a few friends, I have won the
> first round of the MCC run-off.  The big one comes in December when they
> pair 18 cars against each other.  I would like to Thank everyone full heartly
> for your support of my 72 W-30.  So now we will have to give other Oldsmobile
> cars the same support.  Unfortunately this week there is no oldsmobiles to
> vote for :(  

CONGRATULATIONS MARK!
I just checked out MCC before reading my mail and had noted that you
won.  I say noted because the page of winners shows a picture of every
winner EXCEPT YOURS!  It gives a "file not found" message.  I guess they
still can't handle an Olds winning.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:35:51 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Floor Work

Schaack's wrote:
> 
> I haven't been able to figure out what the actuall "name" of the
> colors of my interior are.  The seats/top of door panels are red and the
> carpet/dash is more of a dark burgundy, what's it's name?  Any and all help is
> much appreciated!

Oldsmobile call your interior color Red (now there's a surprise).  The
carpeting was called Dk. Maroon.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:45:13 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Paint code/name

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> Can someone guesstimate this paint (colors) name?  I asked him to send me
> the cowl tag info but maybe someone already knows it.
> 
> Reply to me @ lisa@hotglass.com
> 
>  currently own a 1981 Olds Cutlass Crusier s/w. I am looking for a
> 
> paint name(code) for my car. It is a factory color for sure, its a
> 
> green color with a tinge to gold.

Well, I would call it a gold color with a tinge of green.  It was code
36 and was called Sauterne Gold Met.  Never thought it was one of Oldses
prettier colors.  They also had a color called Pastel Sauterne, best
described as a beige color with a tinge of green.  Not the prettiest
either.  And in two tone, YUK!  My apologies to members who may own one
of these colors, don't mean to offend you.

Anyway, Sauterne Gold Met. is the color he has, I think.

Paul 
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 23:52:28 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@classic.msn.com>
Subject: Color Codes --- 53/53?

I've been reading with interest -- but getting pretty confused by -- the 
recent discussion about the "53" color code.  My 72 VC, which is solid gold, 
shows a paint code of 53/53.  A '71 paint chart, at: 

http://members.aol.com/drewinva/chip2.html

shows 53 as Saturn Gold as a special intermediate color.  55 is Galleon Gold, 
not available on the intermediates.  Is there any consensus on "53" yet? I'd 
like to find out the name of that mix for '72. 

Fred Orcutt
72 VC
69 D88
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:56:36 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Color codes

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> What was the name for that common gold found on Cutlasses?  A elderly
> family-in-law relative had a '69 Cutlass in that color and I've always
> liked it. 

Well, it could be Aztec Gold, or Topaz, or Palomino Gold...

> Or what is the code for the flat navy blue color used in '67?

They had Midnight Blue in '67, but it looks to me like its a metallic.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:05:31 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: Turn signals & Heads

On my 71 442 when I am driving with the lights off, either moving or
stoped the turn signals work fine. If I have the head lights on the turn
signals work very slow when stoped. Alternator is chargeing OK. 
   Are KA heads any good. I have a set on the 455 in the car now and I
want to know if I should look for something else. 
                      Thanks Joe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:22:29 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Color Codes --- 53/53?

Fred Orcutt wrote:
> 
> My 72 VC, which is solid gold,
> shows a paint code of 53/53.  A '71 paint chart, at:
> 
> http://members.aol.com/drewinva/chip2.html
> 
> shows 53 as Saturn Gold as a special intermediate color.  55 is Galleon Gold,
> not available on the intermediates.  Is there any consensus on "53" yet? I'd
> like to find out the name of that mix for '72.

53 was available in '72 as well.  It was still called Saturn Gold and
was one of the "exclusive intermediate car colors".  Just like "special"
in '71, all that meant was that it wasn't available for full size cars
or the Toronado.  "Special" and "Exclusive" did not mean extra cost. 
Your Vista-Cruiser is considered an intermediate so Saturn Gold was
available for your car (both years actually).

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:25:54 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: "Gold"en Opportunity...

Hey, I just had a great idea.

Remember last year how I gave all of you an entire history of the color
Yellow as used by Oldsmobile?

Well, maybe I could do that again with the color Gold?

Waddaya think?

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:57:42 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

i just bought a posi unit for my 71. luckily, it has the new style axle.
your best option may be to swap the whole rear for one with a posi unit.
also,be careful what you think you might have as opposed to what you do
have. i had to crack mine open, and what i found was neither stamped on
the axle or what the previous owner told me. remember a 12 bolt cover
with a 8.5" ring is the same as a 10 bolt with an 8.5" ring. as for
availibility, you buddy is correct

Howie
71 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 19:04:39 -0700
From: lcr@uniserve.com (Ron & Julie Olson)
Subject: List removal  

How do we go about getting off this list?  We are not able to handle the
volume of messages!!

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 21:15:23 -0500
From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

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Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com
Date: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 6:12 PM
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:15:05 -0400
From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

Jim,

Thanks for looking.  Could you try August and October?  They won't give
me the discount without the code from the add.  I called year one, but
they don't carry carpets for my '91 Quad 442 W-41.  I did buy my '70 442
carpets from them and they were ACC (still in the ACC box).

Thanks, Jeff.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:14:02 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> Hey, I just had a great idea.
> 
> Remember last year how I gave all of you an entire history of the color
> Yellow as used by Oldsmobile?
> Well, maybe I could do that again with the color Gold?
> Waddaya think?

Gold will do.  Please include "Firefrost Gold" in your history please. 
Thank you.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:23:51 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Turn signals & Heads

Joe Artwell wrote:
> 
> On my 71 442 when I am driving with the lights off, either moving or
> stoped the turn signals work fine. If I have the head lights on the turn
> signals work very slow when stoped. Alternator is chargeing OK.

Just get a more heavy-duty blinker breaker. I had the same problem with
my 73 Cutlass and now it works fine.

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:35:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: radio install

I just got an am radio and am wondering how it is wired.  I know the orange
wire is the hot one.  I also have a yellow wire w/ a clip.  Is this the ground?
The speaker wires do not have the clips on them any more.  There is also a wire
off the side of the radio is this for the rear speaker?  It is a 1970 radio
being put into a 70 conv't.  Also how was the radio origianlly supported?

Any H*lp is greatly appreciated.

Doug Harkema
70CS Conv't

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:39:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: It was a good day

It was a great day for my olds.  With not much time to spend on the car until
the snow flies I got a couple of things accomplished.  First I blead the
convertible pump motor and it runs as smooth as silk.  Wouldn't make it up,
Had no problems going down:)  I also got all of the interior lights working.
It is quite joyous to sit in an illuminated car!!!

Just had to share it with my family

Doug Harkema
70 CS conv't

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:36:43 -0600
From: Tim Rudolph <trudolph@frii.com>
Subject: IDEA: Place to talk real time

Hello,
  Something similar to this has most likely already been done but I just
thought I'd offer anyway.  I have a friend who runs an IRC server (Internet
Relay Chat, just a thing to chat on) and he'd be happy to host an
Oldsmobile channel.  While some people may not be able to figure out an IRC
client, this IRC server can handle users via a web page and anyone with a
web browser that has Java support (Internet Explorer and Netscape both do
in the past few versions I believe) could access it.  Tell me what you
folks think, and if you want to give it a shot for a little while I'd be
happy to set it up this week.  

Tim Rudolph
trudolph@frii.com
'69 442 Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:42:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: Re: MY 1986 442

In a message dated 97-10-01 19:11:39 EDT, you write:

<< ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu >>
Hey thanks for replying so fast.  Could I keep the 307 if I bore it  .030
over, can you give me the years they used the heads you told me to get.  I
was going to get my edelbrock intake and stock heads ported and polished, is
this wise or should I switch to the heads your talking about.  Also have you
ever heard of mondello? they said they can get pistons to boost the
compression up to 10.5:1.  Any Info will be helpful.  What kind of car do you
have? 1/4 mile time?  Once again thanks for replying, and I hope you can help
me out some more. 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:34:03 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Webring

I'd mentioned this to the other half (the webring) but he somehow missed my
telling him about it.......I *hope* he signed me up for the 'ring.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:37:59 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Slow night?

It seems that everything is moving in slow motion on the list tonight. 
I haven't been spending a lot of time at the computer, so I have a lot
of "old" mail to keep ME busy, but tonight it hasn't been too active.

So now's my chance to bore you with what I've been up to concerning
Oldsmobiles.  Someone asked me why I never discussed my own projects, so
I'll take a little time out here for a synopsis.  I'm not doing anything
90% of everyone else is doing on this list.  So I just don't think it's
that important I write about it.  Family problems has taken a toll on me
this last couple of weeks, but I won't go into that.

First- 69 H/O restoration.  Slow.  As usual.  I know...been there, done
that.  Cash flow stemming production.  I hate that.  Wife's on my tail
about why I just HAVE to order $30 worth of exhaust hanger/fender brace
rubber material.  She just doesn't understand.  Don't expect her to. 
Got the entire front clip/engine/tranny gone.  A few broken bolts, but
it's outta there.  Next is all the outside trim, exhaust, then to the
inside to rip out the entire interior.  Rip out....I mean, remove.  Then
onto lifting the body from the frame.  I've got mirror gaskets being
repro'd by Metro, and tomorrow I'm getting back in touch with
Demmer.....should have the "unveiling" of the NEW Firefrost formula
then.

71 442- Haven't done much here either. Stupid Holley oil pressure switch
that runs the fuel pump off of oil pressure snapped a diaphragm.  "Ran
out of gas" just 100 feet out of the driveway.  Replaced with a new
one.   A few rust spots have showed up under the vinyl top in the last
10 years, so I'm gonna have to get to those pretty quick.  I HATE vinyl
tops.  But I'm afraid to just remove this one.

I was reading Hemming's the other day, and came across some guy in
Wisconsin who has top plates and indicator lenses for the 70-72
Dual-Gate?  Anyone call him?  I'm going to tomorrow. (wife at work)

Sorry to take up so much room.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:52:49 -0400
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question

ok here it goes.

 my 77 olds cutlass konked out the other day. the gen warning light stayed
on even after ignition was off and key removed. Subsequently the battery
died so i had it recharged and also replaced the altenator per diagnosis
from olds service manual that indicated voltage regulator was faulty. Napa
reccomended a new type 90 amp VR with the exact housing of the standard 63
amp VR. Old s servcice manual does show an 80 amp VR as an option. Would the
90 amp be ok to use?? my car does have heated back glass as well as A/C.
Secondly once i installed charged battery and new alternator and tried
starting car the fuel guage needle passed "E" then 1/2 then "F" and finally
stopped way past where it should be. the fuel tank for a  fact has less than
a quater tank of gas. What causes This to happen??  Thanks for listening!!!

  

Aaron D Eoff
   ///////  ///////
       //       //
      //       //
     //       //
    //       //  'twas a goodyear

1977 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:50:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

I have what is supposed to be a burnished gold 70 covertible.  GO FOR IT!!!!

DougHarkema


>
> Hey, I just had a great idea.
>
> Remember last year how I gave all of you an entire history of the color
> Yellow as used by Oldsmobile?
>
> Well, maybe I could do that again with the color Gold?
>
> Waddaya think?
>
> Paul
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> plh@nbn.net
> '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
> '72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>
> If you throw a cat out a car window, does it become kitty litter?
>

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:53:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: w30 ==> Std 455

Subject: Re: `70 442 vs W-30

could you easily put a w-30 engine into a standard 442?
=================
Why, yes, now that you mention it, I could do that.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:57:30 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

Oh no, not THAT again.....
and while your at it lets go through what 442 stands for just for good
measure:-)




Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:56:07 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Color codes

My '67 (the one in JWO - not that paint job) originally was a flat navy
blue (like my Mom's current Subaru wagon) with a light blue top.  I'm
considering doing the '64 in that color.

Maybe it was repainted at some point but didn't appear to be.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:13:30 -0700
From: Paul <alindema@badlands.nodak.edu>
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

    Since the carb is a quadra-jet, i'd take Jim and Joanne Chermack's
advice.
"   The leakdown in the carb is usually caused by leaking well plugs
under the fuel bowl. This can be remedied by epoxying the tubes when
it's
apart. It would also be a good time to throw a carb kit in it and
rebuild
the entire thing. Make sure your needle and seat are in good condition
too.
This can also cause some leakdown until the fuel pump can fill the carb
back up."

Quadra-jets are notorius for leaking after they're hot. All you really
need to do is pump it a few times before you start it.

                                                Olds Owner,
                                    Paul Lindemann

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 19:53:07 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: lansing pics changed

Wow, its such a treat to *at least* get to see what was at Lansing.  Sigh.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:54:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Chicago video

ke you know your music...how about music
videos???remember a lil ditty by the band Chicago...a song called.."Stay
the Night"...the video featured a 1968 442 convertible driven by the
most georgeous creature i have ever laid eyes on...if you ever saw it
you would never forget it...the tires never stopped smoking for the
whole video...lets see who knows this 1......hoagie
===============
I recall that video, vaguely... didn't they drive the car into the water at the
end?

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 22:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: hot rod 307

Does any one have any suggestions besides going with a bigger motor.  I
would like to do this with the 307 if possible.
Thanks in advance.
Clarence
'86 Cutlass 4dr 307
===============
Well, as you do this it makes it less & less streetable... Big-port heads,
raise the compression, freeflow exhaust, cam & lifters, intake, gears... all
the tried & true tricks.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:03:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 65 V-C

$6500? Canadian I hope. There's a real pretty 65 VC here in Lansing for about
$3500 US$... Red.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:01:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Ford tools?

- --death of a Fiat motor--
me. It was loud, too. I got tired of listening to it, and hit the valves with a
hammer until it finally died. Heh.>

LOLOL!  Of course this was done as a "scientific" experiment to further gain
     vital information regarding engine performance!  (right!)   :)

[[but, of COURSE!. The most fun was opening the oil pan... with an ax. In fact
I disposed of an entire Fiat 128 using only an ax. Cut right thru that cheesy
metal...  -RS-]]

BTW, was this event captured on video? (lol)   Don't you know you shouldn't use
a "ford tool", (hammer), on anything but a ford? :)
RC Hellebuyck
=========
No such thing as video back then, and it did not occur to me to film it.
"Ford tool" eh? Heh, that's clever.

Wise man say, "When only tool available is hammer, all problem look like nail!"
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:54:52 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: radio install

Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> 
> I just got an am radio and am wondering how it is wired.  I know the orange
> wire is the hot one.  I also have a yellow wire w/ a clip.  Is this the ground?
> The speaker wires do not have the clips on them any more.  There is also a wire
> off the side of the radio is this for the rear speaker?  It is a 1970 radio
> being put into a 70 conv't.  Also how was the radio origianlly supported?
> 
Hmmmmm......Yellow wire to the driver's side rear of the unit is the
power wire.  The extra wire on the passenger side is the rear speaker
lead wire, and the (I believe blue and black) wires next to the yellow
power wire goes to the front in-dash speaker.

There is a 'dog-leg' bracket that goes from the metal dash frame up to
the passenger side of the radio.  But before that, a plastic/nylon strap
goes on the bracket stud.  This strap is bolted to the backside of the
dash pad.  Not just anywhere, but there is a place that it goes.  Just
don't remember where.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Movies 

There is or was a nice 69 Cutlass Convertible, silvery blue with Cragars
on the tv series "Second Noah".  Dont know if the show made the new
fall line up or not.

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 23:21:31 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> Oh no, not THAT again.....
> and while your at it lets go through what 442 stands for just for good
> measure:-)
> 
I think VC was Viet Cong???  Am I on the wrong list......no wait, I got
it.  442 was an old Indian motorcycle...uhhhh! Why isn't my brain
working tonight?  Somebody must've hit me with a "FORD TOOL!" hahahaha! 
Now I think I'll have a beer.  Good God, I think I'm losin' it.

Mike R  o    t       h       e

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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 23:42:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Slow night?

In a message dated 97-10-01 22:56:22 EDT, you write:

<< 
 First- 69 H/O restoration.  Slow.  As usual.  I know...been there, done
 that.  Cash flow stemming production.  I hate that.  Wife's on my tail
 about why I just HAVE to order $30 worth of exhaust hanger/fender brace
 rubber material.  She just doesn't understand.  Don't expect her to. 
 Got the entire front clip/engine/tranny gone.  A few broken bolts, but
 it's outta there.  Next is all the outside trim, exhaust, then to the
 inside to rip out the entire interior.  Rip out....I mean, remove.  Then
 onto lifting the body from the frame.  I've got mirror gaskets being
 repro'd by Metro, and tomorrow I'm getting back in touch with
 Demmer.....should have the "unveiling" of the NEW Firefrost formula
 then.
  >>

Sorry to hear about the "wife just doesn't understand" thing.  I've been
lucky in that the wife doesn't mind (in fact, sometimes she "sends" me to the
garage, kinda like "get outta my hair" thing).  I didn't have a nearby garage
(was using my father-in-law's which was 5 min. from home), and that meant I
wasn't nearby either.  We've got a new place which has a garage (not big
enough already, but ya know how that goes...).  Now she really doesn't mind.
 The other part of the deal is that she gets things for the house (and I
usually install them...), and she lets me "play" with the toys (the cars,
motorcycle, etc.....).

My problem comes from my father.... ugghhh.. I'm 27 for god's sake..., but he
can't see any reason why I'm "making a hot rod" out of the '81 Cutlass, or
why I need the 455 it's getting.  This is from a guy that, as much as I've
known, likes "muscle cars", and customs, etc... but I guess since it's me,
not someone else, it's not good.  I tell him I enjoy doing this stuff, and
like to "mess, and tinker", but hey, whaddya expect...  Is he old?  No,
unless 47 is considered so...  at one time he did all the work on his cars,
now he hardly touches them at all, sends them to get fixed...  I grew up
learning how to fix (my) cars, and did it with help/guidance, etc. from my
father.  It was enjoyable, and I've learned lots, but now it seems I'm the
person who "knows" cars, and he asks me about things.

Oh well, just my "ramblings"....  Least my wife doesn't mind....

Chris Ruper

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