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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, October 11 1997      Volume 01 : Number 898



Re: coolant overflow
Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"
Re: hardtop convertible
Re: coolant overflow
Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"
Re: original frame?
Re: original frame?
Re: Parts/motors for sale
Re:  65 <4|4|2> List  ONLY
Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"
Re: Englishtown, NJ
Re: Valve cover question
Re: hardtop convertible
Re: 72 442 4-speed for sale
Re: I was grouchy!
Re: Interior colors
Re: Voting: divide & conquer?
Re: misc stuffs
Re: Voting: divide & conquer?
Re: coolant overflow
Re: coolant overflow
Re: 73 442
Re: power steering box
Re: Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket
Re: Air Cleaners...
Re: coolant overflow
help
Re: Englishtown, NJ
ADVICE NEEDED!!!
Re: original frame?
Re: Bumper parts
Re: 73 442
speaker ohm question?
Looking for NOS servo
Re: try again
curving the distribitor?
Re: coolant overflow
Re: speaker ohm question?
AOL
Re: speaker ohm question?
New & Used pre 39  parts
Re: ADVICE NEEDED!!!
Re: looking for 1, SS I wheel
Valve Lash and a Math Question
ª of list members
Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"
Re: Air Cleaners...
Build sheet, etc.
Re: ª of list members
Re: Valve Lash and a Math Question
manuals
water on pass. floor, 1977 and up B (88) and C (98) bodies
Re: ª of list members
Re: 73 442

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:05:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

In a message dated 97-10-10 20:44:42 EDT, you write:

<<  I am looking for advice on two
 topics, first if anyone has experienced this, and what might be the issues
 to look for as I start to dissect the car.  Second, I will be looking for an
 overflow tank for the radiator, and wondering if anyone had any suggestions.
>>

Hi Gary -

No need to feel sorry about being naive.  Everyone starts out that way.  It
just so happens that I got over my naivety last Saturday when the exact same
thing happened to me.  I was cruising on a longish road trip with my wife
when, just outside of Culpepper VA, my engine starts knocking and detonating
every time I step on the gas.  Before long I noticed that my heat light was
on (our story differs here - maybe replace your heat sensor?).  I drove an
extra two miles or so into Culpepper to a sleepy gas station, with a mechanic
who said he was busy.

I put three quarts of oil into the engine and almost four gal of
water/coolant into the radiator (this is a 455 cid with 3 core radiator).
 That's some serious fluid!  Especially when you consider that I had filled
both about five weeks earlier.   Now, I noticed after that fillup five weeks
ago that after hard running hard a couple of times the radiator was belching
out large quantities of liquid.  I didn't think much of it then, but after
the debacle on Saturday, I have installed a makeshift overflow bottle: a
quart oil container wedged between the radiator and the the emissions can on
the core support.  Easy.

But alas the exciting narrative continues!  No sooner did I fill my thirsty
engine with life-giving/sustaining fluids and hit the road then the heat
light came back on.  What?  I drove back to the service station, knowing that
it must be my thermostat and hoping they would have some silicone gasket goop
and maybe even a new thermostat.  It turned out that they had both!   After a
quick call to my friend/mechanic's home for a second opinion, I pulled the
water neck off the manifold (HOT!) and replaced the thermostat.

Sure enough, the old one was stuck shut (perhaps from the prior
overheating?).  I put the new one in, sealed it up and bolted the water neck
back dow and hit the road with fervent prayers for success.  I am pleased to
report that the light did not come back on.  Since our day was shot and it
was late in the evening by this time, my wife Tait and I stopped for a very
nice steak dinner to celebrate and compensate for a difficult day.

The wisdom that this naive muscle-car enthusiast learned from the episode is:
1) check your fluids frequently.  It only took 5 short weeks for me to end up
stranded in Culpepper;  2) it is smart to carry some basic tools in the
trunk.  You just never know when you'll need them; 3) it helps to know a good
mechanic well enough to be able to call him at home on Saturday afternoon.
  He even offered to make the hour drive to tow me back if I was stranded.
 That's a good kind of friend to have!

Anyway, enough of my carrying on.  Try that overflow bottle idea.  It is
working for me.

Tom Simmons
71 Cutlass Supreme SX and (soon) 70 SX W-32

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:30:57 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"

The term "Hideaway Hardtop" was always used to decribe the 57 to 59 Ford
Sunliners(?).
Being a car nut in the fifties, I never heard the term "hardtop
convertible"; but then again, I grew up in Canada and we called a sofa a
"chesterfield".

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: padavano.joe <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>


>snip>
>Someone originally wrote:
>
>>1995 Olds "88" 2-door hardtop convertable (442-Sleeper...)
>
>Dr. Bob of the multiple .sig files asked:
>
>OK, I give up; what are you talking about?
>
>A "hardtop convertible"?

>
>     And in response to the following:
>
>"Instead of being folder into the boot behind the rear seat, the hardtop
>was hidden in the "trunk: area.  These cars had no trunks when the roof was
>removed."
>
>
>     Joe Padavano

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: hardtop convertible

In a message dated 97-10-10 21:29:07 EDT, you write:

<< From:J2ROCKET@aol.com

      Hey General,       My theory on the old term "hardtop convertible" has
 always been that the cars were originally designed to "look" like a
 convertible in the window area on the sides. They had no doorposts and gave
 the cars the illusion of length, which was the styling trend in the late
 fortys thru the early seventies. I believe that the hardtop style was done
by
 G.M. designer Harley Earl , but I am not sure, maybe someone else on the
list
 knows for sure. Anyway, growing up in the fifties as a kid, I heard the term
 "hardtop convertible" all the time.>>



I too rememeber hearing that term growing up.  I always thought it referred
to the cars with no post between the front and rear windows, both 2 and 4
door cars were built like this for certain years, and also the "creases" in
the
top that mimicked a convertible top....TIM

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:49:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: David Watkins <dwatkins@tulsa.oklahoma.net>
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

At 10:05 PM 10/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-10-10 20:44:42 EDT, you write:
>
><<  I am looking for advice on two
> topics, first if anyone has experienced this, and what might be the issues
> to look for as I start to dissect the car.  Second, I will be looking for an
> overflow tank for the radiator, and wondering if anyone had any suggestions.
>>>
>
>Hi Gary -
>
>No need to feel sorry about being naive.  Everyone starts out that way.  It
>just so happens that I got over my naivety last Saturday when the exact same
>thing happened to me.  I was cruising on a longish road trip with my wife
>when, just outside of Culpepper VA, my engine starts knocking and detonating
>every time I step on the gas.  Before long I noticed that my heat light was
>on (our story differs here - maybe replace your heat sensor?).  I drove an
>extra two miles or so into Culpepper to a sleepy gas station, with a mechanic
>who said he was busy.
>
>I put three quarts of oil into the engine and almost four gal of
>water/coolant into the radiator (this is a 455 cid with 3 core radiator).
> That's some serious fluid!  Especially when you consider that I had filled
>both about five weeks earlier.   Now, I noticed after that fillup five weeks
>ago that after hard running hard a couple of times the radiator was belching
>out large quantities of liquid.  I didn't think much of it then, but after
>the debacle on Saturday, I have installed a makeshift overflow bottle: a
>quart oil container wedged between the radiator and the the emissions can on
>the core support.  Easy.
>
>But alas the exciting narrative continues!  No sooner did I fill my thirsty
>engine with life-giving/sustaining fluids and hit the road then the heat
>light came back on.  What?  I drove back to the service station, knowing that
>it must be my thermostat and hoping they would have some silicone gasket goop
>and maybe even a new thermostat.  It turned out that they had both!   After a
>quick call to my friend/mechanic's home for a second opinion, I pulled the
>water neck off the manifold (HOT!) and replaced the thermostat.
>
>Sure enough, the old one was stuck shut (perhaps from the prior
>overheating?).  I put the new one in, sealed it up and bolted the water neck
>back dow and hit the road with fervent prayers for success.  I am pleased to
>report that the light did not come back on.  Since our day was shot and it
>was late in the evening by this time, my wife Tait and I stopped for a very
>nice steak dinner to celebrate and compensate for a difficult day.
>
>The wisdom that this naive muscle-car enthusiast learned from the episode is:
>1) check your fluids frequently.  It only took 5 short weeks for me to end up
>stranded in Culpepper;  2) it is smart to carry some basic tools in the
>trunk.  You just never know when you'll need them; 3) it helps to know a good
>mechanic well enough to be able to call him at home on Saturday afternoon.
>  He even offered to make the hour drive to tow me back if I was stranded.
> That's a good kind of friend to have!
>
>Anyway, enough of my carrying on.  Try that overflow bottle idea.  It is
>working for me.
>
>Tom Simmons
>71 Cutlass Supreme SX and (soon) 70 SX W-32
>
>

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:02:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"

In a message dated 97-10-10 22:40:58 EDT, you write:

<< The term "Hideaway Hardtop" was always used to decribe the 57 to 59 Ford
 Sunliners(?).
 Being a car nut in the fifties, I never heard the term "hardtop
 convertible"; but then again, I grew up in Canada and we called a sofa a
 "chesterfield".

 Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana >>

HEY MICK
here in the Midwest in the fifties we smoked Chesterfield's and called those
"Hideaway's" a "retractable"...

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:03:36 -0700
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Re: original frame?

Chris  B. Witt wrote
<So, get some buckets and make your car act like its body tag.
Don't suppose the build sheet is oh, atop the fuel tank or something?>

That is what I plan on doing!  Anyone have extra buckets and console for
a 70 442?


Kurt Heinrich wrote
<You CAN do what you want with it anyway!>

One must understand after waiting 16 years for what I consider the
ultimate all around muscle car one tends to freak quickly and often
after initial purchase.  It seemed amazing that the cowl said 299885 and
the VIN 186885 awfully close you got to admit. You are correct as long
as I like it that is what matters but it still feels nice to know you
got what you paid for.  My priorities were a 442, Ram air, convertible
that I could drive around with the kids and not worry too much.  I got
it.

<Who can even tell? Not us,
apparently.>

That's exactly how I felt.  Now I can put the dagger away, turn the car
off, open the garage door and return to a normal life.  Thank all for
your informative and insightful responses from this new member.

P.S.  I've been a member of OCA for 7 years waiting to buy a 442.
Finally!!!
AND THE NUMBERS MATCH.       i think?

Steven
70 442 conv

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:15:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRDIET@aol.com
Subject: Re: original frame?

 >From: steven@purplemonkey.com   (Steven Saraceno)
> Are there any other key numbers/clues on a '70 442 convertible that would
tell
 >me if it is the original frame and body.

 >if the frame is orginal. Danny
> number stamped on the frame rail on the driver side. That would tell you

 The frame numbers are on the drivers side frame about 6 inches from were the
 frame turns in toward the front tire.  The numbers are almost dead center of
 the frame on the outside.  The numbers are also larger than the stamping on
 the block and transmission, but still the same type of sequence.
 3-oldsmobile 0-year M-plant 123456-sequence number. 30m123456

If I may add,  the ª's on the frame will probably very difficult to find and
read.  Most frames that I have seen unrestored have surface rust and/or 25
years of road gunk on them.  The only way I was able to check these ª's is
once the frame was blasted.  Also,  you may have to lift the body up to get a
clear view, or even find these ª's.

Just my 2cents

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.


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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:17:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts/motors for sale

Thats all i really need, i have no idea how much. I only just started looking
for one. Give me a price does it work? does it come with the switch? How many
position switch is it? and have you figured out if it is bench or bucket.
From what i hear a bench might be longer pluse you need special brackets to
put it in, its different mounting from standard seat. If you dont know ill
take a gamble for $50.00 its up to you.
 thanks joe

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:22:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ralllye350@aol.com
Subject: Re:  65 <4|4|2> List  ONLY

In a message dated 10/8/97 9:22:52 PM, you wrote:
Craig Rose
 Fremont, CA (which is also where my '65 was made)


65 <4|4|2>                   color:    Target Red   RR
65 <4|4|2>                Interior:    Red
65 <4|4|2>Buckets or bench:    Buckets
65 <4|4|2>   4 speed or auto:    4 Speed
65 <4|4|2>     Coupe or Post:    Sport Coupe (post)

Option Group I, along with power steering

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:23:49 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"

That stuffing they used back then must have tasted pretty bad. No wonder the
tobacco companies are now under siege for the "additives". LOL.


Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com <Cnvrtbl442@aol.com>


>
>
>HEY MICK
>here in the Midwest in the fifties we smoked Chesterfield's and called
those
>"Hideaway's" a "retractable"...

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:19:59 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Englishtown, NJ

>He is gonna drag his blue ' 70 442 W-30 there.

Wouldn't it be easier to drive it?

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:06:12 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Valve cover question

>Today at the wrecking yard there was a '72 Vista Cruiser with a 350 engine
>that had the valve covers with the raised "Oldsmobile" stamping.

Brad - I'd be interested in these (my '72 doesn't have them) is this yard
reasonable?

Please let me know if you can.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:23:36 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: hardtop convertible

>Just what is a hardtop convertible anyway

Sounds like he's imitated the removable hard top such as Corvette & T-birds
did in the '50's.  I used to wonder when they called them that too
(although my ex's '58 Vette is a convertible that has the 'additional' hard
top that can be used with the convert top retracted.  Wow.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:12:17 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: 72 442 4-speed for sale

>Wow. Thank God that this car is in Cleveland, and I'm in Rhode Island, or
>else my wife and I'd be having a big fight about me adding yet *another*
>car to our driveway... ;)

and Praise the Lord I'm in California, thats a safe distance for me.




Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:32:42 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: I was grouchy!

>--"yeah, me, too!"
Hey Chris, we'll just start with this.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:21:58 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Interior colors

Really?  Seems like I see a whole bunch of them in the 70-72 model years.
I've got it - hey, its better then the bug-gut green of my parts car.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:34:00 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Voting: divide & conquer?

I agree they're probably trying to trick us.......but its even more fun to
just let everyone pick their favorite & see what happens!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:15:15 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: misc stuffs

Jeez if we're like this just at the end of car show season, what's it gonna
be like when cabin fever sets in this winter??

<insert Erick's "Can't we all just get along">

Hurried exit stage left -

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:39:42 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Voting: divide & conquer?

Fellow Oldsters <G>

Since the other car is mine, I'll be the first to agree with Chris.
1. My car is on the "WEB of Wheels contest.
2. I also saw Bob's car at Lansing and it's awesome.
3. I love the 67's and I'm jealous.
I still think everyone from the list should submit their cars to this
contest. An organized attempt could overwhelm the F*rd and Ch*vy entries.
The eight cars each week are supposedly selected randomly and probability
rules. We can always figure out the divide and conquer later. It's not as if
they're giving out a big cash prize or anything.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>


>On this web page favorite car thing:
>
>May i suggest that it's a ploy to split the Olds votes so that some other
make
>can win? Divide & conquer, all that.
>
Snip

>I humbly submit Handren's 67 as the choice, having seen it. Not to detract
from
>the other car, mind you!
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 20:38:51 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

It seems I buy cars that some previous brain surgeon has decided to remove
the thermostat in.  I don't think I've had a car yet - besides the
untouched Delta - that had one when I bought it.  Must just be me.

My problem also is that the timing stinks when I buy them due to neglect,
and plain ignorance and they run hot - so we go through everything to find
out - lastly of course - that its also missing a bloody thermostat!!!!!

My VC now will heat up approx. 5 degrees when its ungodly hot or its
pulling a load - whereas before it would act similarly to your adventure(s).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:48:27 -0500
From: Flipper <phillil@redoak.heartland.net>
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

At 05:02 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I added some coolant to my '64 Dynamic 88 with a 394, and there is no
>overflow tank.

There are aftermarket overflow tanks available, unless you are working on a
complete restoration.

>Second, I will be looking for an
>overflow tank for the radiator, and wondering if anyone had any suggestions.

I can't remember the difference in a '64 to a '61 Dynamic 88 engine
compartment, or some of the tanks, but my '61 has a overflow tank as orignal
equipment, which looks very similar to the windshield wiper fluid tank.  If
you would prefer a "stocker" tank, why not look for a similar year vehicle
at a treasure (read junk) yard.  They can be purchased for next to nothing
and 99.9% of the people would never know the difference.

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:56:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 442

to tell the truth about this car,  i don't think it exists.  all the books i
have looked in only show a cutlass for 73.  there isn't any difference in the
442's i have seen and my 73 cutlass.  the only noticable difference is the
grill.  the 442's have a sections cut out of them.  i may be wrong,  but i
then again i may be right?  who knows?

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:40:44 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: power steering box

>> How difficult/expensive is it to replace a power steering box on
>> a 1982 Olds Delta Royale.
>>
>> ChrisI guess it depends on your variety of tools you have at your
>disposal...and of course...mechanical abilty....Hoagie

It's not really difficult at all, though you *will* need a socket to fit on
the end of Pitman Arm nut, and a wrench/breaker-bar big enough to loosen it,
as well as a pitman arm puller (you can rent that from almost any parts
store, though some of the larger chains lend you the tool for free when you
buy the parts from them).

Basically, you:

*disconnect the PS hoses,

*disconnect the steering column at the rag joint (remove the bolt at the
end, as it hooks into a groove on the splined shaft of the steering box),

*unbolt the Pitman arm and pop it off with the puller (there might be enough
play in the steering linkage to move it off that splined shaft, otherwise,
just let it sit there loose and pull the box away from it after the next step),

*remove the three bolts on the outside of the frame that bolt through the
frame into the steering box.

At that point, the steering box will just be hanging there. You'd do well to
plug the holes for the PS hoses, unless you want a face-full of PS fluid.
You might be able to wiggle the box out without removing anything else, but
you might have to loosen or drop the sway-bar mounts to get the steering box
past it.

Installation of the new box is simply the reverse of the above, though
you'll want to position the Pitman arm and the steering shaft coupler on the
box before you bolt it to the frame.

After everything is bolted up, you'll have to bleed the PS system. Jack up
the front end of the car so the weight is removed from the front wheels,
fill the PS pump resevoir w/PS fluid, and start the car. Shut it off, and
observe the PS fluid level, and top off if necessary. Then start it up, and
turn the steering wheel almost all the way to one side. Stop the engine,
check the fluid, top off, start engine, and turn to the other side. Top off,
turn, top off, turn, etc., until the fluid isn't going down any more, and
there are no more air bubbles present in the fluid. If the fluid looks very
aerated, shut it down and let the bubbles disperse for about 15 minutes, and
then continue.

This might only take a couple turns (my Electra was bled after two turns
lock-to-lock), or it might take many (my SX took about 40 turns back and
forth, though to be fair the system was bone dry; acted like a bad ps pump
until it was done, though). If you get resistance to turning, or a rattling
or otherwise noisy pump, you might have to bleed it further. Just don't
crank it against the steering stops right away; ease up to that point.

Oh, and I recommend shutting off the engine every time you check the fluid
and add more, just to avoid the engine fan blowing PS fluid all over your
windshield. :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:40:40 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Draft Tube (?) 56 Rocket

>     Just a wild guess here, but I'd be willing to bet that the personnel
>     working at the engine shop in question have probably never even seen a
>     draft tube.  I don't know about Europe, but most mechanics I've had
>     the "pleasure" of dealing with probably couldn't even explain the
>     theory behind a PCV system.  Thus the reason why I do all my own work
>     on my cars.

Sad, but true. I also imagine that the Europeans have come up with all sorts
of manners of venting the crankcase pressure:

The Germans probably have a precision machined alloy pump that evacuates the
crankcase gases, filters out the oil, and returns that reclaimed oil by
means of an intricate cast-in engine passage.

The French would evacuate the crankcase by means of individual tubes that
lead to the outer surface of the drum brakes, which rely on the Bernoulli
principle to create a negative pressure in the crankcase and draw out those
gases. When such cars carried the disc-brake option, the gases would simply
be pumped out by the windshield wiper motor.

The British would simply expect their engines to leak that much oil, and
consider a quart of oil every 60 miles to be within design parameters.
That's why Lotus cars have 11 quart dry-sump oiling systems...

>..The best alternative, though the least-original, would be to work in a
>PCV valve,...
>
>     Did the 64 394s have a PCV system?  (I'm unfortunately forced to
>     admit my ignorance of the early engines)  Would these valve covers
>     bolt to a 56?

I think that '64 was the year they all started coming with PCV. The original
hole for the draft tube would be a fine place for the PCV fitting; it's just
a matter of getting it into the intake stream.

> __________________________________________________________
>Bob Barry               MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>
>1969 Toronado                 455/TH425
>     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
>1970 Cutlass Supreme SX         455/TH400
>1978 Electra Limited         409/TH400
>
>     Doc, new .sig file?  Is there some significance to this, as I remember
>     your transition to the previous one.

Oh, that; yeah, they upgraded my computer in work to Windows 95, and that
version of Eudora has an alternate .sig, so I thought I'd make that my
non-professional one which includes my cars. I get the digest, so I have to
cut the message I want to reply to, paste it in a new message, address it to
the Olds list, cut and paste the subject line, and then select the alternate
.sig; sometimes I forget a step, and you'll get my professional .sig or a
message without a subject.

Oh, and my home machine is a 386, so it won't do the alternate .sig, so
anything I type here, like this message, will have my professional looking
.sig file in it. I still don't think many people at PC will be interested in
what transmissions my cars are equipped with, so my professional .sig will
continue to lack my cars. Maybe this is all too confusing...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:40:48 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaners...

>If I take off the stock aircleaner housing from my '86 CS, and put on
>like an Edelbrock open element cleaner, the car would run fine right?

You may experience some part-throttle stumble from the carb leaning out due
to more airflow; you can rejet to compensate for this, though an electronic
carb like yours might compensate automatically on the primary side. The
secondary side isn't computer-contrlled, though, so you might need to change
the rods there.

It will definitely be louder, and sound faster. You'll be drawing in hot
underhood air, rather than cooler air ducted from in front of the radiator
support. You'll also have to plug the vacuum lines that connect to the
aircleaner.

>The edelbrock housing says it has EGR knockout holes...so I figured I
>could get away with it...just make sure to keep my stock housing for
>emissions later on...
>2nd, What type of filter does anyone reccommend...are K&N filters
>really as good as the reveiws claim to be, less restriction and all that
>jazz...just wondering...I need to do something to wake up the ole 307
>until I can save up enough to get the 350 I'm looking at having built
>for me.... :) Talk to ya'll later...have fun at the car show if you are

It may help make the car feel peppier, or it may make it sound peppier, or
it might hurt driveability some at part throttle but improve it at wide-open
throttle. One quick way to test this out before you buy anything is to flip
the aircleaner lid (you might need a longer air-cleaner stud to get this to
work) and see how the engine responds. If you have some stumbling at
part-throttle with the lid flipped, you'll have more stumble with the new
air cleaner.

The trick setup, of course, would be a dual-snorkel air cleaner from the
H/O/442, ducted to cool outside air. I'm still looking for this setup to use
on my 409, which needs the extra air, but which I want to have impeccable
part-throttle driveability characteristics (it stumbles a bit there with an
open-element air cleaner).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:40:53 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

>I added some coolant to my '64 Dynamic 88 with a 394, and there is no
>overflow tank.  It started smoking after a while, which I thought was just
>the overflow hitting the engine.  It eventually started smoking a lot, and
>then some rather annoying knocking.

Uh-oh...

>I pulled off the road, and as I got to
>the top of the exit ramp, she decided to die.

=:o

>It was there that any lights
>decided to come on, gen and oil.  The heat light never came on.

I'm guessing your temperature sensor wasn't working properly...

>I burnt
>most of my oil and it was pretty much dry.

which meant that your engine seriously overheated, and since only oil was
left to cool the engine, the extreme temperatures burnt off some of the oil,
and turned lots of it into black crusty stuff where it got hottest, like
between the bearings and the crank journals.

>I am looking for advice on two
>topics, first if anyone has experienced this, and what might be the issues
>to look for as I start to dissect the car.

While it might not be a total loss, I'd be looking at:

1) Cracked block or heads, due to extreme overheating
2) scored or galled crank and rods, plus anything else that rotates or
reciprocates. I imagine your cylinder walls took a beating as well, and will
be out of round if not scored. If the block is cracked, though, this won't
be an issue... :(

>Second, I will be looking for an
>overflow tank for the radiator, and wondering if anyone had any suggestions.

You started saving up for that engine rebuild already, didn't you?

I'm hoping that you didn't really kill it, and that filling it with fresh
water will solve everything, but the symptoms you describe are exactly those
of extreme overheating. Heck, put some water in the radiator and try to run
the motor; if it's good, great, you lucked out; if it knocks and your oil
starts looking like a milkshake, it needed replacing anyway.

Oh, just for future reference, most auto parts stores sell a retrofit kit to
add a coolant overflow tank to your car, which has the hose, a tank, and a
gasket to make your radiator cap work with it. Sells for about $15-$20. I
don't know if it would have done you any good in this case, though.

Here's hoping the best for your engine.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:24:45 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: help

help

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:26:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: LEDZEP442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Englishtown, NJ

Ha ha ha.
You know what I meant.

Bob
1966 f-85

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 21:30:12 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: ADVICE NEEDED!!!

Will someone tell me if this will work...
I have a 70 442 with the 12 bolt cover.  Inside (supposedly) is a 10
bolt with a 8.5" ring gear and has 28 spline axles.
Can I replace my open rear end with a "late model" aftermarket posi unit
with the same spec's, or am I missing something?
Thanks!
Brad
70 442

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:31:24 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: original frame?

> WOW, now THAT's great info. I have never heard of this not even in the 
factory
> service manuals. So, does this go back to '68? Any other 'secret hidden
> locations' for the VIN?
>

Apparently, according to the Assembly manuals, it states that various
locations on the frame (read "secret") were stamped with this number.
So it doesn't necessarily mean that it is always on the driver's side,
though most I've seen are.  I had a 69 Cutlass S once that the number
was on the TOP of the passenger frame rail near the radiator.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 23:48:21 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Bumper parts

mrada wrote:

> > I was wondering how many rubber bumper fillers were used in the front
> > and back bumpers say for a 68?


I looked under mine (with little luck since it's dark) since it is
still on the trailer.  I can only confirm the 4 outside bumpers
and the one big on in the middle of the rear bumper.  I will look
again tomorrow.  I did fing a new wasp nest.  looks like they just
started, unfortunatly about 8 of them nasty things on it.  I will
have to handle these before I explore any further.  At least I
found them at night when they don't fly as easily. ***slap***
run-run-run
run-run-run....  that's one reason to always were a hat to all meetings
of cars that are not driven every day (not garaged), especially
those in parts yards..
Forrest

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:38:54 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 73 442

> to tell the truth about this car,  i don't think it exists.  all the books i
> have looked in only show a cutlass for 73.

What car?  You don't think a particular '73 442 exists? Or that they
even made any '73 442's?  Assuming the worst, Mike, they made the '73
442 with either engine option, and with manual or auto trans.  I darn
near bought a '73 MT 455 car once, but the owner sold it out from under
me.  Cool car.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:02:15 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: speaker ohm question?

A few days ago someone was talking about stock speakers, etc.

I installed "alpine" 6" x 9"s in my 71' 4-4-2 which has a stock radio.
I believe they are the standard 8 ohms.  Will (or can) this damage my
stock radio and 8-track?

Thanks in advance,

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:07:27 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Looking for NOS servo

I'm looking for an NOS cruise control vacuum servo for a 1971 4-4-2.
Part ª400386

Please respond to mrhell@sprynet.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 03:40:51 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: try again

>Thanks Mike and Danny, I found it and it matches my VIN.  Now for the
>DUMB, DUMB, DUMB bad news.  I looked at the cowl tag again and realized
>two of the series numbers are off. My VIN reads 344670M186885 the cowl
>reads 34467LAN2996885. Just shows you as good as I looked over the car
               ^^^^^^^
Is this a typo? This part of the tag ª is usually six digits, not seven;
unless they made over a million Cutlasses at that plant that year...

As everyone else noted, the VIN is the sequential production number for the
car factory, while the cowl tag is the sequential production number for the
body plant, which simply supplied the car factory. And technically, the
"series" number refers to the Division series, which for the Olds 442 is
"34400", to which the convertible body style (67) is added, and it's those
numbers that count. So, it looks like everything matches there for you!
Congratulations!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 01:18:32 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: curving the distribitor?

Does anyone have information on "curving a distribitor"?

I know it involves springs but is that all?  What is the best way to
have this done?  My buddy knows a guy that has a "machine" that he puts
the actual distributor in to set it.  My car has a cam and some have
suggested that I need to have the distributor curved to match the
cam?.?.

Thanks,

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:25:32 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: coolant overflow

Thanks to all who replied, I'll have to run to my garage and check it out,
once I find it.

G


At 08:38 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>It seems I buy cars that some previous brain surgeon has decided to remove
>the thermostat in.  I don't think I've had a car yet - besides the
>untouched Delta - that had one when I bought it.  Must just be me.
>
>My problem also is that the timing stinks when I buy them due to neglect,
>and plain ignorance and they run hot - so we go through everything to find
>out - lastly of course - that its also missing a bloody thermostat!!!!!
>
>My VC now will heat up approx. 5 degrees when its ungodly hot or its
>pulling a load - whereas before it would act similarly to your adventure(s).
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
>Cruiser
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
>Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/
>
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>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 22:30:32 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: speaker ohm question?

I was told that I did not want to use 8 Ohm speakers when the original was
10 Ohm.

G


At 01:02 AM 10/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A few days ago someone was talking about stock speakers, etc.
>
>I installed "alpine" 6" x 9"s in my 71' 4-4-2 which has a stock radio.
>I believe they are the standard 8 ohms.  Will (or can) this damage my
>stock radio and 8-track?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 00:39:31 -0500
From: "Charles F. Kemp" <bloom@gorilla.net>
Subject: AOL

Hey Everybody,
 I hope this message won't bring any wrath upon me since it's not about
Oldsmobile
cars.I decided to send it since alot of you use AOL.And yes,I do realize it
may be
just a bad joke but you never know.

>This is a forward message that I am passing onto you as information.   I
>take no responsiblity for it contents.
>
>James Trimm
>
>From: Steve Cope
>To:      heb_roots_chr@geocities.com
>Subject: YOU WON'T BELIEVE THIS!
>
>JOHN M HANNAFORD SR wrote:
>
>From a former AOL employee:
>
> I'll try and cut through the crap, and try to get to the point of this
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> know exactly why I was laid off, which I will now explain:
>
> Since last December, I had been one of the many people assigned to
> design AOL 4.0 for Windows  (AOL 4.0 beta, codenamed Casablanca).  In
> the beginning, I was very proud of this task, until I found out the
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> and 2 of my colleagues started to suspect a problem, an unexplainable
> 'Privacy Invasion', with the new version.  One of them, who is a master
> programmer, copied the finished portion of the new version (Then 'Build
> 52'), and took it home, and we spent nearly 2 weeks of sleepless nights
> examining and debugging the program, flipping it inside-out, and here
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>
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> Well, all previous versions, whether you like it or not, have done this
> to a certain extent, but only with files you downloaded.  As me and my
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>
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>
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> and family, as many as you can!)
>
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>
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>
> Thank you
>
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>JACKSONVILLE,FLA 32207-5759

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:35:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: speaker ohm question?

On Fri, 10 Oct 1997, Gary Manton wrote:
> I was told that I did not want to use 8 Ohm speakers when the original was
> 10 Ohm.
> >
> >I installed "alpine" 6" x 9"s in my 71' 4-4-2 which has a stock radio.
> >I believe they are the standard 8 ohms.  Will (or can) this damage my
> >stock radio and 8-track?

When I went thru this a year or so back, what I learned via Mike
Frederick (where are you Mikey? Been real quiet!) was that the factory 10
ohm jobs can be replaced with 8-ohm speakers and not cause a problem. But
the issue is that most aftermarket speakers these days are rated at 4
ohms, which is low enough that it puts your factory amplifier circuits at
risk. Mike suggested a couple of solutions, which (I think) are in the FAQ.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 23:49:59 -0400
From: harry <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: New & Used pre 39  parts

Went down to see our local parts dealer the other day ( Napier, NZ )
to see if he had any parts for the 403. ( 350 heads )  He said no, only
got pre 39 parts cause Oldsmobile assembled in New Zealand up until 39
then had to pull out because of the war.

If anyone is interested, this is some of what he's got...

1934  8 cylinder brake drum ( new )
      Straight 8 cylinder radiator shell
      6 cylinder crown wheel and pinion ( new )
1935  Hub and drums ( new )
35-36 6 cylinder crown wheel and pinion ( used )
1937  Brake drums ( new )
      Instrument panel
37-38 Pistons ( new )
      Left hand king pin support
1939  Left hand tail lights
      Left front guard
      Left and right side bonnets
39-46 Cylinder heads

Assorted parts,  Hub caps, and Front wheel bearings up to and around the
50's, these are the parts he could think of, off the top of his head,
forgive me if I have got some of them wrong, but I was scribbling them
down as he was rattling them off.  He's an 85 year old eccentric and his
main ambition is to sell the 1939 left front guard.  He say's "Once I
sell this, I can retire".

This is getting a bit long, ( not as long as the old guys life story
mind you.....  but it was interesting )

Dave.T.Smith
403 rebuild

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 07:57:07 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: ADVICE NEEDED!!!

At 09:30 PM 10/10/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Will someone tell me if this will work...
>I have a 70 442 with the 12 bolt cover.  Inside (supposedly) is a 10
>bolt with a 8.5" ring gear and has 28 spline axles.
>Can I replace my open rear end with a "late model" aftermarket posi unit
>with the same spec's, or am I missing something?
>Thanks!
>Brad
>70 442
>

Brad

        NO! Your stuck with parts only from that series rear end. Meaning
"O" type with a twelve bolt cover and 10 bolt ring gear.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 08:19:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Re: looking for 1, SS I wheel

Try Howards Ralley Wheels, 301-421-1567 (Hemmings October, p. 8392, "Ralley
wheels for Oldsmobiles"

gpmtrader@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:02:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Valve Lash and a Math Question

Am I correct that in setting valve lash that it should be done at TDC of
the compression stroke rather than at overlap?  And, if so, given a
firing order of 18436572 then with ª1 at TDC (0 degrees on the harmonic
balancer) TDC of ª8 will be at 90 degrees, ª4 at 180, ª3 at 270 and so forth?

Secondly, if the engine is turning 1000 rpm at the crank what is the rpm
of the distributor? I suppose this is not all that important but I am
curious.

Thanks

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:21:22 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: ª of list members

F.A.W.C. (for anyone who cares)

  -  According to majordom*, and as of 9:18am Saturday there are
     332 list members.  Let's all have a list party when we reach 442!

:)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:19:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: J2ROCKET@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Hardtop Convertibles"

   Hey Mick, actually the retractable hardtop Fords from 1957 to 1959 were
called Skyliners. The conventional style convertible with the soft folding
top was called the Sunliner. Now I grew up way down in Georgia. We picked a
lot of cotton and we put it in sofas, but we smoked Chesterfields.
                                           J2ROCKET-------57 Olds Super 88
         55 Olds Super 88

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:21:03 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaners...

Robert Barry wrote:

> The trick setup, of course, would be a dual-snorkel air cleaner from the
> H/O/442, ducted to cool outside air.

That's it!  In fact, Greg P. and I and a buddy of his are going scrounging
today (in about 10 minutes in fact) and I'd like to find a dual snorkel air
cleaner and kinda make a "home-made" ram air setup.  Just for fun, though.
I don't expect any real performance benefits.  It'd look real cool, too!
- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:22:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Subject: Build sheet, etc.

Car is done, painted [now, how did I end up with purple!] and on
the road.  The gas tank leaks and, when the better half removed it -
found the build sheet.  Not very good condition mind you!

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 14:05:55 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: ª of list members

At 01:21 PM 10/11/97 +0000, you wrote:
>F.A.W.C. (for anyone who cares)
>
>  -  According to majordom*, and as of 9:18am Saturday there are
>     332 list members.  Let's all have a list party when we reach 442!
>
>:)
>
>RC Hellebuyck
>1971 4-4-2 covt.
>

Sounds like a good idea.  :)

Clarence Wirtz
1986 Cutlass 4dr 307

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 09:15:05 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Valve Lash and a Math Question

This depends on the year, make, and size of your engine, if it is a
Ch*vy engine, there is a trick to setting the valve lash, (read about
it in Car Craft a few issues back) unfortunatly, cant remember what
it is. :( If you do happen to have a Ch*vy engin in it, let me know,
otherwise, let me know the year of the engine and I can verify the
fireing order for you anyway, from what I see though that is a very
common olds/buick/pontiac firing order.


>
> Am I correct that in setting valve lash that it should be done at TDC of
> the compression stroke rather than at overlap?  And, if so, given a
> firing order of 18436572 then with ª1 at TDC (0 degrees on the harmonic
> balancer) TDC of ª8 will be at 90 degrees, ª4 at 180, ª3 at 270 and so forth?
>
> Secondly, if the engine is turning 1000 rpm at the crank what is the rpm
> of the distributor? I suppose this is not all that important but I am
> curious.
>
> Thanks
>
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
>
>
>
>
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:24:40 -0400
From: dave <dave70ss@ici.net>
Subject: manuals

I would like to purchase a manual
for my 71 c/s convertible. Which is the best one to buy?
1971 service manual
oldsmobile restoration guide
or any others
does anyone have any for sale?

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:22:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: FSN6998@aol.com
Subject: water on pass. floor, 1977 and up B (88) and C (98) bodies

     There was a TSB on this problem in '77.  The factory did not seal the
heater / evaporator case properly.  Kevin's post is on target, but the
factory approved procedure was to REMOVE the top of the case and re seal it.
 (Of course, while you have it off, you may as well do that heater core and /
or  evaporator.)  A lot of the dealers did not follow the factory
recommendation and just glooped sealer on from the outside.  This was not a
success on my '78.  I had to put an evaporator in it last spring, and sealing
the case properly upon re assembly took care of it.  (I had lived with the
problem since '81 when I got the car prior to that.)  One warning, be careful
when removing the case if the dealer glooped sealer on it.  The added gloop
on mine was very glue like and hard to remove without damaging the case
(weatherstrip adhesive ?).
     Another thing to watch is the drain flap.  The case is open to the
elements.  Leaves and other gunk tend to build up and block the drain.  No
amount of sealer will help if the drain is clogged.  (The other advantage to
taking the top of the case off is that you can clean all the gunk out with a
shop vac while it is open.)
      As for what to seal it with,  black GE silicone works OK, but Doc.
Bob's suggestion to use the 3M rope type caulk is really a much better
solution.

Fred Nissen  - FSN6998@AOL.COM
1969 98 Conv. 455/Th400
1977 Delta 88 403/Th350
1977 98 Regency 403/Th400
1978 Delta 88 Royale 350/Th350
1979 98 LS 403/Th400

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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:20:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: ª of list members

Sounds like a great idea.. maybe one of you who is centrally located and
a member of a college faculty could rent us a dorm in the summer... party
city.. :-)


On Sat, 11 Oct 1997, clarence wirtz wrote:

> At 01:21 PM 10/11/97 +0000, you wrote:
> >F.A.W.C. (for anyone who cares)
> >
> >  -  According to majordom*, and as of 9:18am Saturday there are
> >     332 list members.  Let's all have a list party when we reach 442!
> >
> >:)
> >
> >RC Hellebuyck
> >1971 4-4-2 covt.
> >
>
> Sounds like a good idea.  :)
>
> Clarence Wirtz
> 1986 Cutlass 4dr 307
>

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Sat, 11 Oct 1997 10:28:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: DavidB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 73 442

Mikey,
  Having owned 2 of these cars I can telll you that they were indeed built!
The '73 was built on the Cutlass "S" body with the long rear window. Mostly a
trim and stripe package. And slight mod (slats) on the hood. I owned a Maroon
one with white stripes, 350cid w/ turbo 350 trans,ac,ps, swivlle buckets,ac,
super stock II's, 4bbl, white interior. The other car was White no stripes,
maroon interior, 455cid, turbo 400 trans, 4bbl, ac,ps, ralley gauges, the
same buckets, super stock II's. Although both cars were California cars. Egr
valves, charcaol canisters, but no Cat converters or A.I.R. tubes, smog pumps
 or the like. Now niether car drove like my '68 Holiday coupe or convertible
but then again niether was the wimp they are written about being either! Both
cars got up and moved when the gas was pushed.....nothing like the feeling of
a good old American V-8 that's for sure. I do have pictures of both cars as
well as parts off of them also.....

David B.
Sacramento,Ca
1968 442 Holiday Coupe
1968 442 Convertible
past owner of 2
1973 442

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