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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, October 8 1997      Volume 01 : Number 893



Re: 455 rocket
RE: Q-jet choke
Re: H/O's in C&D
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Tons of new car pics
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: 455 rocket
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....)
Re: everyone on the list
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: everyone on the list
Re: Q-jet choke
V8 Converted Volkswagens - Little Olds Content
Re: list of people and cars
Re: The List People and their cars
Non Olds - but needed for my restoration work
Re: H/O's in C&D
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: everyone on the list
Re: Parts/motors for sale
Matching numbers?
Re: H/O's in C&D
Re: Bumper Question
Re: everyone on the list
Re: The list members and their cars
Updates and questions
Export Financing For US Products
Re: Tons of new car pics
Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions
Re: List Members
Export Financing For US Products
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Fuel economy and Carburators
Re: everyone on the list
Re: optimum shift points for Drag Racing
Re: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....
Re: Electronic Ignition
Re[2]: 455 rocket
Re: 79 H/O Stripe Aid needed
66 Olds
UNBOUNCE: Seat Belts for '55 Olds
UNBOUNCE: Matching Numbers?
UNBOUNCE: Updates and questions
Re: list and their cars
455 Intake/Manifolds.
Re: 66 Olds
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
I loved my '71 Bug...was Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:29:52 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 rocket

>have a 455 rocket oldsmobile engine.  what do you know about it.  what car
>did it originally come in.  would love to overhaul this engine.  does anyone
>know where i can find information on the internet about this engine?

Well, the 455 was built from 1968 through 1976, produced from 210hp to
400hp, and were installed in just about every car Olds built in that period
at one time or another, including the Cutlass/442, Delta 88's, 98's and
Toronados (not the Omega, though). You can get a quick estimate of the year
of the engine by looking at the 1" high casting letter on the lower-left
corner of the head:

"C"='68-'69
"E"='70
"G"='71
"G A"='72 (the "A" is smaller and down a bit to the right of the "G")
"J"='73-'76

Now, there were also some special heads used on the high-performance
engines; just in case you have one of those, here are the codes:
"D"='68-'69 Hurst/Olds
"F"='70 W-30 442
"H"='71 W-30 442
"K"='73-'76 442 4-spd and marine/industrial applications (also factory
replacement head for high-performance engines).

If the engine is one of these high-performance motors, it's pretty easy to
identify where it came from. If not, it's a little tougher.

Other clues for identifying the engine, especially the later engines, are
the carb numbers (stamped on the driver's side of the carb, usually
something like 7040251), as the emissions regulations required carbs
calibrated for the specific requirements of a particular model (basically
1973 and later), whereas all models before 1973 used the same carb numbers
(again, aside from high-performance and Toronado engines). Likewise, the
distributor number might be specific to the model it was installed in.

The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was
originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's
a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98.

So, tell us what letters or numbers you see stamped or cast on the engine
and its various parts, what the exhaust manifolds look like, and maybe we
can pin this thing down a bit more for you.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:43:57 -0400
From: "VanSant, David CWO" <DVanSant@lantd5.uscg.mil>
Subject: RE: Q-jet choke

One thing you can try without converting is to pickup a couple of choke
tube repair kits (HELP parts) and with the adapter it provides, attach
the heat sink to the exhaust manifold or one of your header tubes.


Dave Van Sant
dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil
'71 Topless Cutlass Supreme
'88 Plymouth Sundance
'89 Chevrolet Astro
'96 Plymouth Neon DOHC


>----------
>From: IRA[SMTP:irahs@earthlink.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, 1997 October, 07 17:33 14:21
>To: olds list
>Subject: Q-jet choke
>
>Has anybody had experience converting the choke on a Q-jet to electric
>or manual?  I have a 455 with a performer intake; there are no
>provisions for the choke tubes. suggestions?  Thanks in advance.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:50:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: H/O's in C&D

In a message dated 97-10-07 23:51:47 EDT, you write:

<< I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall something
 about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
 special trim, in around the '70-'71 era. Whatever the case, though the
 Hurst/Pontiac runs the quarter in 13.1@111mph, and has a top speed of
 182mph, I think its $45,000 sticker price is a little rich for my blood. Of
 course, I wonder if they were saying that about the $4500 sticker on the '69
 H/O...
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
 Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
  >>
Bob, the problem isnt the 45000 for the car, because they are all spoken
for at that price. Well, all as in only 50 of them.  The fun part now comes
in the speculation game, the after-price.  We have fun guessing the prices
that will be gotten by the "scalpers" on different limited production cars.
The most unbelieveable to date for me still is the first 92 Vipers, there
were left coast stars that paid over 200K to "be the 1st one on the block".
My guess is you can probably add at least 20K to that H/O Bird and
probably more, I'd say look for them to be at around 70+.  A partner and
I were lucky enough to buy a persons deposit from them back when the
GNX's were coming out and got to split an 18 thousand dollar profit. Not
bad for a little insight, or luck...whichever...TIM

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 22:52:28 -0400
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Daniel R. Gerow
Easton, MA

1969 Oldsmobile 442 (400 4bbl)
1986 Jeep Hrand Wagonner (360 4bbl)
1961 Dodge Pioneer (440 Magnum)
1975 Dodge D100  (Slant 6 - 225 ci)
1971 Bronco w/ '82 EXP body (302 4bbl)

http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:03:39 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Tons of new car pics

Charley Buehner wrote:
Been a busy night.  It's nearly 3:00
> A.M. so I guess I ~have~ been busy.  Had comedians in the background (on
> the dish) so things went quickly.  Just listened to George Carlin -
> Favorites on HBO.  Oh I miss those old specials.  Definately have to
> record ~that~ one!  Well, check it out, see what ya think...  Better go,
> I've got 12 miles to drive home yet...

>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
Uh, Charley, don't look now but somebody slipped a bowtie special into
one of your pictures.  You oughta be ashamed of yourself.  Must have
been really late to get by a dedicated bowtie hater like you.  The earth
must really off its' axis this week.  Kentucky beats Alabama in football
(football?  funny little ball with pointy ends, huh!), Notre Dame only
has one win and you scan a bowtie.  Strange week.
  Is that your white GS shown?  Looks pretty good.  Since my GS' power
train is not original, I may play with it a little.

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:11:05 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

Adcock, Jason K. wrote:

> John Stolarski wrote:
> > Second, is the computer system on an '84 H/O the same as the one in
> > an '86 Olds Cutlass? The only reason I ask is because Edelbrock says
> > a 3711 fits olds up to '85, I have an '86.
>
> I do think that the Computer Command Control (right?), CCC, is the same.
> Your ECM (Engine Control Module) will be different, but I do beleive that
> the basic system is the same.  What Edelbrock might be referring to is
> intake port size.  Didn't the 86-90 307's have 7a heads, whereas the 81-85
> 307's had 5a heads?  I think the 7a head intake ports are smaller than the
> 5a ones, and their manifold is sized for the 5a heads.  That's probably
> what they were referring to.  Hope this helps.

Jason is correct, they say that because of the port-mismatch it causes with
the 7a heads and their teeny ports.  Since you're transplanting in a 350, this
isn't a problem assuming you're also using the 350's heads.  The computer
system in '86 is very nearly the same.  I think it's a little faster, reading
the sensors and doing updates more frequently, and it may also have a knock
sensor that mine doesn't.  But for the purposes required here, it's
functionally the same.  The 3711 manifold *does* have the holes required for
the computer sensors.  I didn't have to drill or tap anything, just needed two
adapters (as mentioned in previous post) to fit the smaller sensors in the
bigger holes provided.
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds 350)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:20:07 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: 455 rocket

At 08:03 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>help!
>
>have a 455 rocket oldsmobile engine.  what do you know about it.  what car
>did it originally come in.  would love to overhaul this engine.  does anyone
>know where i can find information on the internet about this engine?
>
Check out Bryceman's Olds page at www.442.com.  Go to the FAQ contained in
the technical pages.   That should give you all the info you need to get
started.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:26:49 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

>Hey Brent,
>
>Don't know if you're referring to me or not but I have 15 or so right
>now with only one being a parts car.  If I listed everything I've owned
>since I started driving it would probably hit in the 80 to 100 area
over
>the last 32 years.  I do plan on getting rid of 7 or 8 of them in the
>next year as I am tired of them being around.
>
>Don Sowers
>Nicholasville, Ky
>
>
Don,
I wasn't referring to anyone, just being obnoxious (personality flaw).
If I'm lucky (read soon to be wife is REALLY understanding) I will have
owned as many cars as you by the time I'm your age. I figure you've got
22 years on me as I have only been driving for 10 years.
I think I've got a good start going seeing that all of the ones I listed
had legal tags at one point or another :-)

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:28:07 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....)

david wyatt wrote:

> automatics.  I have raced both types of transmissions and prefer the 4
> speeds over the slush box.  For comparasins sake, I had a F*rd with a

Did you race the A/T with the gear indicator in "D"?  If so then I can
see
why you think of them as slush boxes.  Those A/T cars with dual-gate
shifters
would probably race a lot less slushy since one can stay in gear longer
to
obtain the most from the power band.  Most A/T I would assume shift at a
point
lower than the peak of the power band.  I would assert that those A/Ts
equipped
with the dual-gate probably run faster than those with either manual
shift or
"D" driving.  Whatcha think?

The reason why I come to this conclusion is that while driving my 82 DRB
(yeah
I know it is not a speed demon) I can get quicker response if I act as
if I have
a dual-gate with the column shifter.  My car will shift at the low end
of the
power spectrum if I left the car in "D", however, when I drive it like a
stick I
get more oomph.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:25:43 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

Ya ME docbob@caninet.com

- ----------
> From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: everyone on the list
> Date: Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM
>
> here is a list of everyone on the list:
> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
johnson@edisongroup.com,
>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,  z28cfi@gwis.com,
>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,  jht@exo.com,
>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,  isocon@pi.net,
>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
jadcock@vt.edu,
>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,  mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
r4c442@aol.com,
>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
tlentz@ior.com,
>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
>
> did i leave anyone's name out?

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:29:30 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

Adcock, Jason K. wrote:

> intake port size.  Didn't the 86-90 307's have 7a heads, whereas the 81-85
> 307's had 5a heads?  I think the 7a head intake ports are smaller than the
> 5a ones, and their manifold is sized for the 5a heads.  That's probably
> what they were referring to.  Hope this helps.

Are 5a heads good or bad?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 12:29:24 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Robert Schinkel

1970 Cutlass W-31 4 speed
1970 Cutlass Convertible (13.4 ET)
1970 Rallye 350 (next years drag car)
1970 442 Convertible
1970 442 W-30
1971 Cutlass Convertible
1979 Chevy Van

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:39:00 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

Hey people,

can't we all just get along???  ;-)  Why don't we turn this thread into
something productive, like how can we help this VW owner stuff a Toro
drivetrain in the back seat of his bug and make it a mid-engined, Olds
powered rocket (it would still be ugly offcourse, but at least it would be
Olds powered).

Just my $.02.  Will there be change forthcomming?

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:02:52 -0700
From: ham@fan.net
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM, Mikeytvb@aol.com
> [SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com] wrote:
> > here is a list of everyone on the list:
> > cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
> johnson@edisongroup.com,
> >  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
> >  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,
> z28cfi@gwis.com,
> >  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
> >  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
> >  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,
> jht@exo.com,
> >  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,
> isocon@pi.net,
> >  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
> jadcock@vt.edu,
> >  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
> >  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
> >  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
> >  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
> >  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
> >  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,
> mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
> >  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
> r4c442@aol.com,
> >  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
> >  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
> tlentz@ior.com,
> >  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
> krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
> >  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
> >  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
> >  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
> >  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
> >  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
> >  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
> >  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
> >  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
> >  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
> >
> > did i leave anyone's name out?
>
> You have my e-mail address wrong. It should be: bobby.etzel@gsc.gte.com
>
> 70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
Etzel, Bobby wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM, Mikeytvb@aol.com
> [SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com] wrote:
> > here is a list of everyone on the list:
> > cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
> johnson@edisongroup.com,
> >  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
> >  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,
> z28cfi@gwis.com,
> >  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
> >  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
> >  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,
> jht@exo.com,
> >  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,
> isocon@pi.net,
> >  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
> jadcock@vt.edu,
> >  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
> >  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
> >  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
> >  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
> >  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
> >  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,
> mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
> >  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
> r4c442@aol.com,
> >  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
> >  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
> tlentz@ior.com,
> >  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
> krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
> >  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
> >  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
> >  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
> >  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
> >  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
> >  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
> >  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
> >  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
> >  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
> >
> > did i leave anyone's name out?
>
> You have my e-mail address wrong. It should be: bobby.etzel@gsc.gte.com
>
> 70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
You left me out   bullets@sgi.net

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:11:18 -0400
From: Dave Heilala <dheilala@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: Q-jet choke

IRA wrote:
>
> Has anybody had experience converting the choke on a Q-jet to electric
> or manual?  I have a 455 with a performer intake; there are no
> provisions for the choke tubes. suggestions?  Thanks in advance.

Just completed a conversion on my car and it works great. Bought it at
NAPA for $55. Has an electronic control circuit that solves the hot
flooding condition.Didn't plan to spend this much, but cheaper than a
new carb or manifold.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:11:33 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: V8 Converted Volkswagens - Little Olds Content

On Wed, 08 Oct 1997 Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net> wrote:

> . . .One of my college running buddies . . .swears a friend of his took a
Beetle, dropped a
> 289 ci/271 hp Ford engine with a standard trans and built a stealth
machine.  Said his friend
> put 300 pounds of lead in the front to hold it down when he took off.  He
said it was one bad
> ride and out run a lot of unsuspecting guys with high dollar muscle cars.
I did not personally
> see it, but knowing my friend I would have to believe him.  That would
produce a serious
> power to weight ratio and strightline performance.  . . .Baddest car I
remember seeing was
> a 427 powered Cobra sitting next to the basketball arena in a parking
spot on U K's campus
> in the late 60's.  Only worth $500,000+ today.  . . .

************************************
Back about 1972, police in Dearborn Heights Michigan attempted to stop a
Volkswagen Microbus which was seen drag racing on Telegraph Road.  As I
recall, not only did the van out run the 390 powered Ford cruisers in use
then, but it also got away from one or two chasing police cars by making
turns which the police tried unsuccessfully to negotiate.  The speculation
at the time was the the VW had been converted to a mid engine drive, with
some high performance V8.  During that same period I was a frequent
participant in street racing on Telegraph Road and around the area with my
'72 W-30, but I never saw such a Microbus.  I thought that maybe it had
been a project which had just been completed when the chase occured, and
was retired by necessity following the event.

As for Cobras, I was sitting on the school bus at a traffic signal in
Dearborn in 1966, when a car transporter loaded with six new Cobras pulled
up next to the bus.  I think that this was before the days of the 427
version and that they were all the original style 289s though.  For a
car-hungry 16 year old, it was quite a thrill none the less.  Close enough
almost, to touch.  And so very far away.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:12:39 -0400
From: Dave Heilala <dheilala@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Mike Hall wrote:
>
> Michael R. Hall: Ortonville, Michigan
>
> 1971 Oldsmobile 442 (344871M167164, 455/TH400, Sienna, a restoration not
> yet in progress...)
>
> 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S (3F87H2M256703, 350/TH350, Radiant Green,
> 14.27@97.18)
>
> 1987 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Custom Cruiser (307/TH200R4, White, the
> daily driver, future tow car and the first victim for one of those nifty
> 455's I just bought <insert maniacal Dr. Oldsmobile laugh here...)
>
> 1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm (3800 V6/auto, white, the
> wife's daily driver)

Mike:
Appreciated the midnight BF last Friday after Detroit Dragway. Thanks
again. By the way, what was the ET and MPH with that much improved
interior on that last run?

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:26:25 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Re: The List People and their cars

Brian Kerr
Cambridge Ontario
CANADA

69 Cutlass S Conv - undergoing restoration
455 C heads
78 P**mouth Caravelle - better halfs daily driver
96 F**d Winstar - Company Car

Others I have owned

74 P**tiac  Astre - Ist car rebuilt motor, brakes, new tires, doors, body
and paint when I was 18 (1978)  and put it on the road for $1247 including
insurance and registration.
Head on 50 mph collision finished car. I survived
70 Chrysl*r New Yorker 440 4bbl - What A Boat! (once got 6 poached Christmas
trees in trunk and back seat. (among other things)
73 Dart slant  6 - was grandmothers car, became my university transport for
4 yrs - couldnt kill it
83 F**d Ranger - My first brand new one! 5yrs and 200,000 K
87 N*ssan Sentr - My second new one 7 yr and 193,000 K
91 Ch**y Astro Cargo Van - 211,00 K (previously a DHL courier van bought it
and doubled my money on it in 1 yr).
1973 Suzuki TC 125 - Slid it under a train one sunny sunday afternoon 22 yrs
ago. It became scrap metal. I survived - barely.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:27:00 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Non Olds - but needed for my restoration work

Sorry for the Non olds content, but I am at an impass with this problem. The
problem is I only get about 3 - 4 minutes of use out of my sandblaster
before moisture builds and clogs up the flow of sand. I have built an air
dryer to solve this problem. I copied a commercially built dryer which uses
about 3 lb of 'air drying pellets' to dry the air. They claim it is good for
about 6 months of use, then you throw them away. The trouble is the company
that sells  the air dryer and the pellets is out of stock of the pellets,
can't seem to get them in, and has no idea what they are or when they may
come in stock next. The Canadian warehouse is and has been backordered for
some time. Does any one know what this stuff is, particularly the chemical
make up, who distributes it etc. As I work in the chemical industry, I will
lean on some contacts and try to pick  up a 50 lb bag of if I can afford the
stuff. If it works out well, I will post my success to the list, and will
send (free of course) to anyone who emails me privately a list of materials
etc to build their own. It will cost me about $35  to complete. (Before
drying pellets) The supplier charges $129 (Canadian) for the Air Dryer, plus
$30 for pellets.
TIA

Brian Kerr
kerrb@basf-corp.com
Ontario Canada
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:01:35 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: H/O's in C&D

>> I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall something
>> about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
>> special trim, in around the '70-'71 era. Whatever the case, though the
>I think so too, but I'm thinking (sniff, sniff is something burning)
around '73.....
>Who's got the Hurst Heritage book?
>
>> Hurst/Pontiac runs the quarter in 13.1@111mph, and has a top speed of
>> 182mph, I think its $45,000 sticker price is a little rich for my blood. Of
>I understand they are all spoken for anyway.

Right. Only 9 of them produced. One of the rarest Hurst cars, after the
one-offs and the '69 convertibles.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:16:52 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

>What is an IMHO first off?

In My Humble Opinion.

>And I didn't think that a 3711 had holes
>drilled and tapped for computer sensors?

Well, I think the only thing the computer is interested in sensing is the
water temperature, so either of the holes in the front of the manifold for
the water senders/TVS switches would work. You may need to use a reducer
bushing to fit it in there if the hole is larger.

>Second, is the computer system
>on an '84 H/O the same as the one in an '86 Olds Cutlass? The only
>reason I ask is because Edelbrock says a 3711 fits olds up to '85, I
>have an '86.
>I figured an '86 has a different intake set-up

I imagine the computer calibrations are different, and maybe the hookups.
The big difference is that the '86->up 307's used the 7A heads with the
little girlie intake ports (no offense intended to any little girlies
reading this list), so the larger ports on the Edelbrock intake wouldn't
match up. If you're interested in swapping in an earlier engine with the
earlier heads, though, it's of no concern to you; the manifold will fit.
__________________________________________________________
Bob Barry       MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu

1969 Toronado 455/TH425
     See it at http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/drbob69.htm
1970 Cutlass Supreme SX 455/TH400
1978 Electra Limited 409/TH400

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:25:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

    hey, what about me dr olds, i thought i was on the list too

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daily73@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts/motors for sale

$800.00 for both. In Milwaukee

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:43:38 -0500
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Matching numbers?

I just bought a '70 Azure Blue convertible with ram air, A/C, pw, pdl,
pdb, cruise tilt sport wheel and 12 bolt posi.

As careful as I was in looking for a car, now that I have had it for a
few days I am noticing oddities that make me wonder about its life
line.  The cowl tag, engine number and VIN all match, but things like
the cowl tag has ª977 for white buckets and the car came with bench.
That didn't bother me too much because I think it lowered the price of
the car and I can put buckets in at my leisure but who in their right
mind would take out buckets.  The windshield has been replaced, so has
the dashboard and it is dyed black, the visors are white (should be
black?)and electric windows were added with '71 switches.  The rest of
the interior seems original pearl with black carpet and black pillars.
I am starting to wonder if the VIN, cowl tag and engine were removed
from a totaled 442 and placed in a cultass body.  Is there a way of
checking frame numbers or anything else that may clue me.

Regards
Steven

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 13:46:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: H/O's in C&D

In a message dated 97-10-08 00:44:26 EDT, you write:

<<
 > I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall something
 > about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
 > special trim, in around the '70-'71 era. Whatever the case, though the
 I think so too, but I'm thinking (sniff, sniff is something burning) around
'73.....
 Who's got the Hurst Heritage book?

 > Hurst/Pontiac runs the quarter in 13.1@111mph, and has a top speed of
 > 182mph, I think its $45,000 sticker price is a little rich for my blood.
Of
 I understand they are all spoken for anyway.

  >>

Didn't they also forget the early 70's vintage Vista's (there were 7 I think)
that did track duty at Indy one year.  They had the Hurst package on them.
 We discussed this issue before.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:04:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bumper Question

bill, could i get a zip code to check on shipping cost?    steven.
      w30442cs@aol.com  68-frt. bumper.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:13:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

missed me

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:11:11 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: The list members and their cars

Erik Nowacki
San Diego, CA

72 Vista Cruiser, rebuilt 455 with Mondello 20-22 cam, Edelbrock Performer,
9.5 compression, TH400.

70 Mercedes 280SE with a F*rd 351C (slightly hot rodded), currently
awaiting its third rear end replacement.

86 Ni**an 200SX (wife's car, bought new) with 232K miles, pretty good for a
non-Olds.

83 Kawasaki GPz1100, this one actually beats the VC, fuel injected, dynoed
at 100HP at the rear wheel, can you say "Please arrest me officer" RED.

Future additions under consideration:  73 Mercedes 450SL or a 68 Cutlass
convertible to receive the spare 455 in my garage.

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:17:00 -0500
From: "LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Subject: Updates and questions

As usual I've gotten way behind on digests...ya'll have a tendancy to
know exactly when I'm going to be outta town and let the conversations
flow <grin>  At any rate I'm slowly working my way through about the
past 8 digests.

Well first off I have a question that I hope someone will know what I'm
talking about.  This past weekend me and a friend were messing around
under the hood looking and such.  He noticed that something was loose
on the engine and when he went to check it broke off :(  He *thinks* is a
temp sensor.....Anyway, now for the description....it's one of the little
electric plug set ups.  It's located almost directly behind the oil fill cap
(which is is the approximate center of the engine - a 455).  The prongs
(or male receptors if that's what you call them) are what broke off, there
were two of them angled slightly, similar to a 'V'....and the part that sticks
to it has a dark green and a light green wire attached that meander on
and eventually go to some unknown destination <grin>    Any clues so I
know what part to order?

Now for some general updates.  We (my brother actually) got a call from
the people he bought the car from.  They were interested in how it was
doing since thier son had loved the car so much.  He told them about
giving it to me and all.  I've gotten their address and plan on sending them
a letter and a copy of this great picture I got taken of it.  I also finally
have the money to buy the shop manual for it.  I can't wait to get it and read
through parts of it for the time being <grin>

Some not really bad news was that I was driving it a few days ago and
this wide inch diameter peice of pipe was tossed underneath by the truck
in front of me :(   It's truly surprising it didn't rip something out or put a
hole in anything since I've got such low clearance on it right now.
Unfortuntaly I did get some damage to the underneath side consisting of a
*severly* dented oil pan (which is causing the drain plug to leak just a bit 
too
much) and a very large dent in my (was new) crossover pipe for the muffler.  
The
dent is so bad it's restricting the exhaust flow <grumble>  I should be happy
though, right?  At least it's not scraping on everything now :}

I also took the interior panel off one of my rear doors.  It was so simple I
was almost (but not quite) dissapointed at how easy it was <grin>  I had
wanted to look at the inside of the door for rust because everytime it
rains the water runs past the little seal on the door (the slanted part that
'rubs' against both sides of the window) and into the door itself where it
collects inside the door seeping through the carpet on the interior door
panel :(  I guess what I want to know is, first if the water is *supposed*
to go into the door (or if it's normal to do so)...and if it is normal, if 
there
are supposed to be some sort of drain spots at the bottom of the door for
the water to run out of?

Thanks
Laura

66 Delta 88 aka Pook

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:46:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: exportfinancing@spfcorp.com
Subject: Export Financing For US Products

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:12:40 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Tons of new car pics

> >                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
> Uh, Charley, don't look now but somebody slipped a bowtie special into
> one of your pictures.  You oughta be ashamed of yourself.  Must have
> been really late to get by a dedicated bowtie hater like you.  The
> earth
> must really off its' axis this week.

I am...  I felt the need for a certain couple of chety friends.  Don't
plan on keeping them on for long, though.  Kind of a desicration...
That pink thing was mainly cuz I'd seen it run, and wasn't all that
impressed.  All that s**t, and I'm still convinced the GS would have
taken him.  I was driving the v6 at the time, so I didn't get the
chance...


>   Is that your white GS shown?  Looks pretty good.  Since my GS' power
> train is not original, I may play with it a little.

Yeah, poor thing needs some work, though...

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:23:48 -0400
From: Thomas Lindsay <tlindsay@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions

Matt,
 As has already been said, depending on your desired
driveability/performance balance that cam could be either not enough or
too much for your desired rpm range.
 In regards to your ignition question on my 72 442 I am running a GM HEI
distributor with a MSD 6A spark box, no other modification I've made
since purchasing the car has made as much a "seat of the pants"
difference in the cars overall performance as installing the spark box;
the car starts easier, idles crisper, pulls with authority to 5800rpm
(once to see how she liked it normal shift point 5000rpm) and just runs
better all the way across the board.
 I hope this helps you with your 350, happy Oldsmobiling!!

 Ade Lindsay (one of the Idaho trio)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 00:23:14 -0700
From: hermine <hermine@endangeredspecies.com>
Subject: Re: List Members

At 08:24 AM 10/8/97 -0500, Jeremy Enos wrote:
>That list BETTER NOT BE GOING TO ANY KIND OF MARKETING GROUP!!!!!!!!!!
>

Can't any member type the command "WHO" and get a complete list of all
members, unless they are somehow secret? I keep a printout of nearly all
listmembers, for reference in case i wish to post a member privately.

hermine

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Subject: Export Financing For US Products

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:03:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: TURBO38@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Will Madison
Austin TX
70 w-30 4-speed
70 cutlass convt.

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:11:17 -0400
From: Thomas Lindsay <tlindsay@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Stupid Timing Chain Question

The way we do things here is to first install the lower timing chain
gear onto the end of the crank, when using a gear with only one keyway
simply put it on, if using a lower gear with a multiple keyway for
retarding and or advancing the camshaft timing use the keyway for the
desired cam timing. then install the chain along with the upper gear,
the upper gear only goes on one way over the dowel pin, align cam timing
marks and you are done, in regards to whether you are on TDC compression
or TDC exhaust when you try to start the motor if it won't start but
trys to either backfire through the carb or out the exhaust you need to
rotate the distributor shaft 180 degrees, if it starts you were on
compression stroke. For me this has always been a simple way to put a
motor together without being overly concerned about TDC.

Ade Lindsay (part of the Idaho trio...)

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 14:19:36 -0500
From: gilly24-7@juno.com (Gabe G Gilsrud)
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

'82 Cutlass Supreme
Pimped-Out high school car, however, only has a V6.
Painted 1997 Dodge Viper GTS blue.
Purdy...
- -Gabe G. Gilsrud
Gilly24-7@juno.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:09:01 -0400
From: Thomas Lindsay <tlindsay@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel economy and Carburators

Mike,
 Well in a 72 442 with a modified 455, THM400, and 3.42 posi I get
between 8 and 12 mpg, relative to how much I keep my foot out of it (not
one of my strong points).
 The smell of fuel can sometimes be attributed to the baseplate of a
Q-jet leaking into the intake manifold, if so that can be easily
repaired with a carb overhaul, if not you can get jets from any GM
dealer. As to black smoke during acceleration you may need to adjust the
secondaries on your carb. To do this with the motor off on the carbs
right (as seen from drivers seat) there is a screw head pointing at you
from the rod that runs across the carb that the upper secondary
butterflies rotate on. Push down on the secondary butterflies (upper) to
see the how quickly they rebound, there is a small allen head screw
which is the "lock" for that rod which controls the spring tension and
the rate at which the secondaries open. Loosen the allen screw the end
of the rod is slotted for a regular screwdriver, tightening this makes
the secondaries come in slower, loosening it does the opposite, hold the
rod where you want it and retighten the allen screw. But be careful,
only make minor adjustments, 1/8 of a turn will make a difference in how
quickly the secondaries come in. I adjust mine to where the car no
longer bogs (throws up a split second) when I stand on it and I'm done.
A lot of people tell me there is no secondary adjustment on a quadrajet,
                 I simply smile and ask if they wanna race.
 As for rebuild kits I get mine from NAPA.
  I hope this has been some help to you, Happy Oldsmobiling
        Ade Lindsay (1 of the Idaho trio)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 12:57:13 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>
> here is a list of everyone on the list:
> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,  johnson@edisongroup.com,
>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,  z28cfi@gwis.com,
>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,  jht@exo.com,
>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,  isocon@pi.net,
>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,  jadcock@vt.edu,
>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,  mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,  r4c442@aol.com,
>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,  tlentz@ior.com,
>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,  krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
>
> did i leave anyone's name out?


Brad Bowles
napa CA

70 442 "W-30"

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 13:40:33 -0400
From: Thomas Lindsay <tlindsay@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: optimum shift points for Drag Racing

For what it's worth, in my experience a stock 455 can't breathe well if
at all over 5500rpm, from that point the intake and exhaust both on a
stock motor will no longer be producing all that they can. Taking a
motor past the point where it is making power only slows you down when
you are racing. I run a built (not hog wild) 455 with a 3.42 posi and I
shift @ 5000rpm, the motor can go to higher rpm's but I dont gain
anything by doing so.
 For a  factory 455 w/ 4spd I would recommend a shift point of
5000-5200rpm's, your motor is making max torque from around 2800rpm to
around 4800rpm,
and an old Oldsmobile saying states, "Horsepower sells cars, Torque wins
races"
 I've considered those words to live by since I fell in love with
Oldsmobiles in 1987. Stay in your torque curve, whether racing a stock,
modified or hog wild motor, that with some experience launching, will
get you your best et's at the race track.

 Happy Oldsmobiling,  Ade Lindsay (1 of the Idaho trio)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 15:12:00 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....

Dave Wyatt admirably stated:

..My Olds was born with a 4 speed and it will live forever with a 4
speed. (Olds content)

     Amen to that!  Not only will my 70 W-30 keep its 4spd (well...it may
     get replaced with a 5spd), but my 68 W-30 will keep its and my 66
     convert will definitely get one.  The 69 H/O, obviously, must keep its
     TH400 for originality.  :-(

     As for most drag cars using slushboxes, there are actually several
     reasons.  Dave correctly pointed out the shock to the driveline,
     although I always thought some of that was desirable to plant the
     slicks (witness the use of tranny brakes).  Clearly, breakage and wear
     and tear on a racecar will be less with an auto trans.  I think the
     primary reason for the popularity of automatics, however, is that the
     majority of drag cars are bracket or Super Gas type cars, where
     consistency is more important that raw E.T.  In an era of throttle
     stops and delay boxes, an automatic is mandatory.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 14:15:30 -0400
From: Thomas Lindsay <tlindsay@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Electronic Ignition

Gary,
  I dont miss adjusting dwell/point gap at all. Electronic ignition is
more efficient and for me has been reliable and maintenance free.
 I run a GM HEI distribitor on a 455 with a MSD 6A spark box and am
totally sold on it.
 I bought the car with HEI and added the spark box, and I've never
regretted it.
 Happy Oldsmobiling,
        Ade Lindsay (1 of the Idaho trio)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 97 15:21:28 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: 455 rocket


The knowledgeable Dr. Bob wrote:

The exhaust manifolds would also provide a clue as to where the engine was
originally installed. If the passenger-side manifold has two openings, it's
a single-exhaust application, and likely from an 88 or 98.

     Really?  I've never owned (or even seen) a single exhaust big block,
     but the few service manuals I have seem to indicate that these motors
     use a "Y" pipe, not the manifold-to-manifold crossover pipe.  I always
     thought the dual-opening manifold was used on the small blocks only.
     What years used the crossover?

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:30:16 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: 79 H/O Stripe Aid needed

At 09:16 PM 10/7/97 -0700, you wrote:
>I haven't found anyone who sells repro 1979 H/O (White) stripe kits. If
>so who and what's the quality????
>
>I talked to Mike at Auto Decal who would like to make a quality repro of
>these but needs a reference.  CAn anyone help him make these for us 79
>H/O owners probably work for 1980 442 as well??
> If so Call  (602)860-9800.

I could use a stripe kit myself as my 80 442 will need a paint job when it
undergoes the 100 point restoration I plan for it in the next few years.
Keep me posted about this....


____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS.....14.66 @ 95.5 ; 1.917 60 ft ; 4400lbs
80 Olds 442 W-30.......15.70 @ 88.7 ; 2.200 60 ft ; 3300lbs
75 Hurst/Olds W-25 - (2)..one parts car, one resto car
85 S-10 Blazer 4x4.......work truck, 1,625 watt sound system

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 16:45:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: ted rollins <trollins@rfci.net>
Subject: 66 Olds

I' ve got a 66 olds cultass with a 330 engine. But I've never read on this
list site about a 330, is this a bastard motor??

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:46:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Seat Belts for '55 Olds

Not on the list as far as I know, so respond directly...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:"Gary Andresen" <gandresen@altigen.com>
Subject: Seatbelts for '55 Olds

Finishing up my '55 Olds and would like recommendations and sources of
seatbelts that would be proper.  Is it possible to get seatbelts with the
GM
symbol similar to those out of '70's cars?

If anyone happens to have a set I would like to hear from you.  The
interior is
three shades of gray.

Thanks,

Gary Andresen
- --=_ALTIGENCOMMUINCATIONS8080--

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:48:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Matching Numbers?

Not on the list as far as I know, so respond directly...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Reply-To: steven@purplemonkey.com
Subject: Matching numbers?

I just bought a '70 Azure Blue convertible with ram air, A/C, pw, pdl,
pdb, cruise tilt sport wheel and 12 bolt posi.

As careful as I was in looking for a car, now that I have had it for a
few days I am noticing oddities that make me wonder about its life
line.  The cowl tag, engine number and VIN all match, but things like
the cowl tag has ª977 for white buckets and the car came with bench.
That didn't bother me too much because I think it lowered the price of
the car and I can put buckets in at my leisure but who in their right
mind would take out buckets.  The windshield has been replaced, so has
the dashboard and it is dyed black, the visors are white (should be
black?)and electric windows were added with '71 switches.  The rest of
the interior seems original pearl with black carpet and black pillars.
I am starting to wonder if the VIN, cowl tag and engine were removed
from a totaled 442 and placed in a cultass body.  Is there a way of
checking frame numbers or anything else that may clue me.

Regards
Steven

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 17:50:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Updates and questions

Not sure why this one bounced...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:"LAURA D. STEINKE" <WPODOM1.HORT-FOREST.LSTEINKE@taexgw.tamu.edu>
Subject: Updates and questions

As usual I've gotten way behind on digests...ya'll have a tendancy to
know exactly when I'm going to be outta town and let the conversations
flow <grin>  At any rate I'm slowly working my way through about the
past 8 digests.

Well first off I have a question that I hope someone will know what I'm
talking about.  This past weekend me and a friend were messing around
under the hood looking and such.  He noticed that something was loose
on the engine and when he went to check it broke off :(  He *thinks* is a
temp sensor.....Anyway, now for the description....it's one of the little
electric plug set ups.  It's located almost directly behind the oil fill cap
(which is is the approximate center of the engine - a 455).  The prongs
(or male receptors if that's what you call them) are what broke off, there
were two of them angled slightly, similar to a 'V'....and the part that sticks
to it has a dark green and a light green wire attached that meander on
and eventually go to some unknown destination <grin>    Any clues so I
know what part to order?

Now for some general updates.  We (my brother actually) got a call from
the people he bought the car from.  They were interested in how it was
doing since thier son had loved the car so much.  He told them about
giving it to me and all.  I've gotten their address and plan on sending them
a letter and a copy of this great picture I got taken of it.  I also finally
have the money to buy the shop manual for it.  I can't wait to get it and read
through parts of it for the time being <grin>

Some not really bad news was that I was driving it a few days ago and
this wide inch diameter peice of pipe was tossed underneath by the truck
in front of me :(   It's truly surprising it didn't rip something out or put a
hole in anything since I've got such low clearance on it right now.
Unfortuntaly I did get some damage to the underneath side consisting of a
*severly* dented oil pan (which is causing the drain plug to leak just a bit 
too
much) and a very large dent in my (was new) crossover pipe for the muffler.  
The
dent is so bad it's restricting the exhaust flow <grumble>  I should be happy
though, right?  At least it's not scraping on everything now :}

I also took the interior panel off one of my rear doors.  It was so simple I
was almost (but not quite) dissapointed at how easy it was <grin>  I had
wanted to look at the inside of the door for rust because everytime it
rains the water runs past the little seal on the door (the slanted part that
'rubs' against both sides of the window) and into the door itself where it
collects inside the door seeping through the carpet on the interior door
panel :(  I guess what I want to know is, first if the water is *supposed*
to go into the door (or if it's normal to do so)...and if it is normal, if 
there
are supposed to be some sort of drain spots at the bottom of the door for
the water to run out of?

Thanks
Laura

66 Delta 88 aka Pook

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:10:36 -0400
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: list and their cars

John Richmond
Warren, MI
72 442/455
97 GMC Jimmy

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:33:19 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: 455 Intake/Manifolds.

I recently got a 455/4bbl intake, exhust manifolds and rocker covers for
$50 bucks. Not a bad deal. I was trying to figure out what they came off
of or if they are any good. Any help would be appreciated.

Intake, cast iron U by the filler neck, 410448  D1B  Y stamped on it and
a X stamped in the back.

Manifolds, I think the RH side one has GMY  1
                                       411961
                                       D2-319

Two openings on the LH side one. It has 288
                                        398704  YRH D6Y
Both have a single opening for the center two exhust openings.

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 16:33:56 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: 66 Olds

ted rollins wrote:

> I' ve got a 66 olds cultass with a 330 engine. But I've never read on
> this
> list site about a 330, is this a bastard motor??



  Not at all.  I had  a '66 f85 with a 330.  It has a forged crank and
rods like all Olds of that time and many in the small block crowd favor
its heads as a strating point for higher compresssion owing to the
smaller combustion chambers.  I traded a guy the heads straight up for a
Muncie 4-spd.(The car later served as a parts mobile for a 442.) Enjoy
it, it's a good motor.  Later.


 Paul Brillhart

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 17:41:50 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Are 5a heads good or bad?

All right!  Something I can actually speak to with knowledge!  The 5a heads
are "better" than the 7a heads.  Of course, it all depends on your
priorities.  If you want to smoke Mustangs, well, a 307 isn't your tool.
BUT, the 5a heads do have bigger ports and are freer-flowing than the 7a
heads.  It is for this reason that third parties make more parts for the
earlier 307's (with the 5a heads) than the later ones.  The 7a heads are
supposed to be more emissions-friendly, but less powerful.  I believe that
the 5a heads were dropped and 7a heads brought in after 85.  I know that my
84 has the 5a heads and that 87's have 7a heads.  I'm assuming that because
Edelbrock's manifold supports 307's up until 85, the 7a heads were
implemented in 1986.

If anybody can back this up, I'd appreciate it: I've seen varying
horsepower ratings for the 307.  Some say 150, some say 140.  Could it be
safe to say that the 5a motors have 150 and the 7a motors have 140?  Just
an assumption on my part...

(the obligatory) Hope this helps.

Cheers.

- --
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 15:42:33 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: I loved my '71 Bug...was Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!

> Hey, I loved my '65 VW bug!

And Hey, I loved my '71 Super Bug!

>
> I used a static light to time it while spinning the crank shaft with a socket
> wrench.  When I slid off the Flagstaff snow packed roads, I could push it 
back
> onto the road by myself.  I went through three motors: undo four bolts, a few
> cables, and wires, drop it to the ground with a scissors jack and get a 
friend
> to help lift the body over the motor - piece 'o cake.

My very first car was a beater (and I mean *beater*) '71 Super
Bug, my dad bought for $500.  Free would have been a far more aproprite
price :)  My first couple years of Highschool were spent fixing it up, and
building the little 1600cc motor.  My best time ever for dropping the
motor?...17 minutes start to finish!  I redid the interior, gave it fresh
paint, and a decent stereo, and I was in business.  What the heck, girls
thought it was..."cute".  And like you said, with studded snow tires it
would almost climb a tree if you asked it too!  I almost never got stuck
tooling around Butte (Montana), a pretty impressive feat given it's San
Fran style hills.
Then I discovered the American Pushrod V8...I've never been the
same since!!   I traded that car straight across for a '63 Galaxie with a
big block 352, and somehow I think I got the better end of the deal :)

Still, the old VW brings back fond memories.  I'd still rather
have an Olds though!

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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