
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 24 1997       Volume 01 : Number 815



Steering problems
Rear End Help
Re: LIVE from LANSING !...UPDATE
Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish
Re:Build Sheets search
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Service manuals
Build Sheet Search
Re: Left to bring up the rear.....
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
Re: Deltas
Re: Bryceman Page 
Toro For Sale
Re: Gauges
Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop
Re: Rear End Help
Re: List Problems
A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)
Re: Re:Build Sheets search
Date:	Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:45:20 -0400
Re: A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)
Re: LIVE from LANSING !...UPDATE
Pains in the A** with no Class
Re: Convertible Top for '66 Cutlass
Re: Rear end
Re: A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: Pains in the A** with no Class
Re: 
Re: 
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
unsubscribe
Re: 455 Operating Temp
Re: Rear End Help
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: Pains in the A** with no Class
Re: Steering problems
Re: Re:Build Sheets search
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: Pains in the A** with no Class
Re: Rear End Help
Lansing
Re: Pains in the A** with no Class
Mail Delivery
Re: Mail Delivery (Olds List computer question)
Re: Rear End Help
Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>
Re: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>
Re: Rear End Help

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:22:40 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Steering problems

	I have got a, what I think, is a major walop in my streering on the 81
Delta.  I have new shocks and 255/60/15 tires on it.  I think that there is
a excessive play in the steering box, and I am wondering if it could be
reduced and the steering made a bit tighter and more responsive.  I think
that there is a alen screw on the box which could be turned to adjust this.
 If this exists, and I mark the position of the screw, if I start playing
with it, can I get it back to normal later.  If not, what could I do to
solve this problem

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:23:14 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Rear End Help

	I have a stock 2.73 rear in my '81 Delta 307, don't know if or not it is
posi, and honestly don't even know what posi is.  I would like to pull a
rear end of a similar or same car (rear end that would be better and would
still fit), get better gears and put it together and swap my old rear for
that one.  That way if I am not happy, I could put my old end back no
problem.  My problem is that I am on a vary small budget cause of my school
bills, so all the parts would have to be from junk-yards.  I guess my
question is if someone knows what rear end to get and if perhaps gears from
a truck would fit and be bigger like 3.43 or 3.73 or maybe even 3.23.  New
set of gears if around $250.00 Canadian here, so it would really help if I
could savage them from another vehicle.  I need to know what rear end and
gears would work and how I could ID the gears.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:16:19 +0200
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !...UPDATE

>The pictures are up !!!! Aprox. 30 images are in the LANSING selection
>on the site below. Don't know how good they are it's 3:00am and I'm
>tired.........

Hello Bill,
many thanks for those pictures!

Had no problems at all - some seconds per pic - GREAT!

greetings, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany

- --  1956 Olds 88 Holiday Coupe --

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:04:27 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

Laura & Pook:

I am getting antsy to get my '67 400CID done & put in my Vista Cruiser
(talk about a barge!) so that I too can say "oh yeah?" to these youngsters
and their go-fasts.  I am eternally grateful that I've had alot of fast
cars and got the take everybody & everything on urge over with - now I just
want to teach a select few some respect for what will be an enormous
(literally) sleeper :-)

You'll get steered towards your shop manual by the book guru's here - you
can't go wrong & you'll never regret having it (spoken from experience -
how does that dash come apart?)

Take care & happy O-moing


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:06:27 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re:Build Sheets search

As someone who's never found a one in 5 Oldsmobiles I'm not too well
qualified, but I do recall a couple of people finding them like Andy Green
suggested, in the driver door panel.  I've got a parts V-C - I guess when I
pull it completely apart I may find my very first one!! (or maybe not).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:14:44 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

'66 Toronado's had them stock.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:12:32 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Service manuals

$35 is cheap - the lowest I've seen used ones at swap meets & advertised is
$45-50 and as you said ON UP!  I did luck out and get one free for my Vista
Cruiser from the guy I bought my 400 motor from (he knew someone who'd had
one years before & called the guy to ask if I could have it!!!  Best deal
I've got in a long time).

They certainly do pay for themselves over & over.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:09:21 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Build Sheet Search

>1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
You dog!  These cars are just too cool (oops, heresy there).

I am getting inspired (sorta) to go tear my parts car apart & see if I can
find the bloody thing now..... wellllll, maybe tomorrow.  That or have the
spiders who've taken up residence look for me!




Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:10:04 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Left to bring up the rear.....

Vista Cruisers for me!!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:31:56 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

Ditto here - gave up waiting.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:20:32 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: New Member - 67 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

My 2 year old twins can say "Toro" - although when I opened the '69's doors
to look at something & the stale, 28 year old air rushed out Electra said
"Ohh, Toro stinky" which she now delights in repeating every time she sees
it.  Her brother is in love with the '66 Toro - might just be his car down
the road a ways.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:16:20 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Deltas

Hey, maybe with all the *fancy* guys off to Lansing, we Delta owners can
stage a coup and take over the list?!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:25:53 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Bryceman Page 

I have a pic of my '67 Delta as my screensaver at work - its AMAZING how
people will always as "is that YOUR car?" (no, dduuuuhhh).

I'm on the registry, but havent updated in awhile to add Toro pictures.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:15:02 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Toro For Sale

Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:18:26 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 67 Toro For Sale

> Greetings Classifieds2000 has the following for sale:
>
> 1967 Oldsmobile Toronado, 150K miles, $3,000, Charlottsville, Virginia
> Eve: (540) 948-4464  Mail: darrenk@mnsinc.com
> To view the complete ads, go to:
> http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?135890+20-AUG-97
>
> Mike or someone, please post to Toro list.
>
> Bobby
>

Done.

    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


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Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:11:32 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Gauges

They (the Oldsmobile Corp.), used an output off of the alternator. This
tach is NOT compatible with an output from the distributor. There is a
special output (bolt) on a diesel alternator. To make it work, you will
need to change to an alternator from a diesel( or for a diesel). There is
a tan wire that hooks up to the alternator. Good Luck !!!

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:00:02 Aaron S Janke <asjanke@mtu.edu> writes:
>I have seen alot of info about guages and I now have a question of my 
>own
>
>I have a 84 Cutlass Calais that used to be a diesel.  This car is 
>pretty
>much loaded power windows, seats and I love the full gauge package 
>that it
>has.  One problem now that I dropped a 69 olds 350 in there because 
>the
>previous owner grabbed the old diesel motor so now I have a nice 
>tachometer
>that I am not sure how they made work with the diesel.  Can anybody 
>help me
>with this tach or do I have to try and find a regular tach and try to 
>put
>it in the place of the diesel one?  Since I did not take the old motor 
>out
>I am not sure about this.
>-- 
>        .---.        .-----------  
>+-----------------------------------------+
>       /     \  __  /    ------    | Aaron Janke       asjanke@mtu.edu 
>      |
>      / /     \(  )/    -----      |                                   
>      |
>     //////   ' \/ `   ---         |   CE major at Michigan Tech, 
>Houghton   |
>    //// / // :    : ---           |   cooltalk  
>asjanke@141.219.38.222      |
>   // /   /  /`    '--             |                                   
>      |
>  //          //..\\               
>+-----------------------------------------+
>=============UU====UU=========================================================
>             '//||\\`     
>               ''``   
>
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:23:33 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop

I was in Denison back in 92 and found a couple of decent shape 71/72
Cutlasses on hwy 69, going east from Denison. You might want to prowl
around there, because I know the people around there, and they're pretty
fair. Of course, I'm always disappointed to hear of cheaters, especially
from my home state.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN
(from Denison, TX)

On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 15:52:57 -0700 Darrin Johnson <xdarrinj@ti.com>
writes:
>I have recently discovered a shop in my area that specializes in 
>Oldsmobiles,
>but unfortunately I can't recommend them.  I was driving through 
>Lewisville,
>Texas and happened to notice a shop with a large number of 1968 - 1972
>Oldsmobiles (mostly convertibles).  I stopped in to look around and 
>ask if he
>sold parts.  I was looking for a core support, control arms, both 
>fenders, and
>some other small parts for my 72 Cutlass Convertible.  He said that he 
>had all
>the parts that I was looking for (but not at his shop) and we agreed 
>on a
>price.  Unfortunately, one of the fenders that I received is not 
>usable (at
>least by me) because of rust.  I contacted the shop the following day, 
>and an
>agreement (verbal agreement) was reached to replace the unusable 
>fender.  This
>was almost three months ago and I still don’t have a replacement 
>fender.  I
>haven’t given up yet, but I need some advice on how to get this shop 
>to comply
>with the agreement to replace the fender.
>
>If I can’t get the replacement fender in the next few weeks, I guess 
>that I
>will have 2 fenders for sale.  (LH fender fairly straight but rusted 
>through on
>lower front - RH not as straight and rusted through on lower rear).
>
>Darrin Johnson (djohnsn@ibm.net or xdarrinj@ti.com)
>Wylie, TX
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:19:21 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

I've been told by a local performance shop here in MN that a 10 bolt will
hold up to 400hp or less without any problems.He suggested a 3.42, 3.55,
3.73 for my Cutlass (72). He really was leaning towards the 3.73 for me,
so it would still be streetable. He also told me that the 10 bolt posi
rear ends go for approx $100.00 (US) vice the 12 bolts that go for approx
$350.00 (US). Just my 2 cents worth.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:23:14 -0600 "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
writes:
>	I have a stock 2.73 rear in my '81 Delta 307, don't know if or 
>not it is
>posi, and honestly don't even know what posi is.  I would like to pull 
>a
>rear end of a similar or same car (rear end that would be better and 
>would
>still fit), get better gears and put it together and swap my old rear 
>for
>that one.  That way if I am not happy, I could put my old end back no
>problem.  My problem is that I am on a vary small budget cause of my 
>school
>bills, so all the parts would have to be from junk-yards.  I guess my
>question is if someone knows what rear end to get and if perhaps gears 
>from
>a truck would fit and be bigger like 3.43 or 3.73 or maybe even 3.23.  
>New
>set of gears if around $250.00 Canadian here, so it would really help 
>if I
>could savage them from another vehicle.  I need to know what rear end 
>and
>gears would work and how I could ID the gears.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>1981 Delta 88 307
>1995 Intrepid 3.3
>1976 Delta 88 455
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 08:39:12 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: List Problems

docbob@caninet.com wrote:

> Hi all
>
> After a recent spamming my internet provider banned any transmission 
> from this list they now say the ban is off yet I have not been 
> recieving any mail Have ther been mail happening still during this week
> Can someone h*lp me with this
>
> Please H*LP
>
> Robert Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com

I just checked with majordomo and your ARE s*bscr*bed.  I don't recall 
receiving any bounces from you -- which I should if your ISP refused the 
delivery -- but I keep an eye out.  

So it's back to your ISP to ask them what in the hell they're doing with 
your mail.
 
    66 Toro 
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:38:06 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)

Well made the trip to Lansing and back, wow!  Here's my tale:	


First, forgive me Olds brothers for I have sinned...

Woke-up Friday morning, it was raining!!!(damn!) :(    I spent about 
two hours cleaning the car so that minimum time was needed once I 
arrived in lansing.  Just couldn't bring myself to haul out that 4-4-2 
gem and mess it all up!  With the roads all wet, I decided to take the 
wife's Olds Achieva.  My buddy Rob, a ford man, and I piled in the car 
and headed west-ward.

Not knowing where to go, I headed for the Olds headquarters building.  
We got there about 8:45, just in time for the 38 mile caravan I was 
expecting to participate in.  MAJOR DEPRESSION set-in as I drooled over 
a sea of Oldsmobiles.  (Damn!  Should have brought the car!)  We ended 
up getting one of the "window flags" that all caravan drivers were 
given.

"Start your engines"!  As the caravan got underway, Rob and I watched 
all the beautiful cars file out of the parking lots.  I can't remember 
the total but, there were so many cars, if you lined them all up it 
would span 18 miles! (according to the M.C.)

Not knowing where to go, I ended up asking Oldsmobile's CEO how to get 
to the swap meet area. (nice guy)  We then headed for downtown  
Lansing and found the area per his instructions.  It was no Carisle PA, 
but large enough to get excited!  Two separate "park areas" each had 
about six or seven isles and was about 100 yards long.  Lots of good 
stuff!  Getting there on the 3rd day, I didn't expect to find many good 
deals.  WRONG!  Although some items were over priced, I personally, 
hereby declare the swap meet a success!  I found my "hard-to-find 
cruise control servo, relay rod and all in #2 condition for $50.00!   A 
1971 assembly manual; $19.00.  A MINT, 1971 showroom brochure, (full 
page version), for $4.00!  Also free catalogs from "Supercars 
Unlimited", "Brothers" and "Specialty Olds".  ("Fusicks" charged $2.00 
for theirs).  

Other items and prices include:

Set of four SSI wheels with used tires in EC for $200.00

Set of five SSI wheels, (no tires), in EC for $225.00

Dual-Gate console complete, #2 condition $400.00  (almost bought it)

Original 1971 Chassis manuals in EC ranged from $45. to $65.  I found 
one in #3 condition for $20.00!  Should have bought it! (offered him 
$15. but he wouldn't take it, don't blame him) :) 

Rally pack gauges in EC, $375.-$450. for the set (no speedo)

Nice selection of colorful Olds T-shirts, $9.00 each

Large "brat sized" hotdog $2.00   With onions and green peppers, $2.50. 
and it was good!

Didn't see any original W-25 hoods for sale.


Out of all the 1970 through 72 cars that were there, we only saw four 
that were "Saturn Gold".  (Damn!  Should have brought the car!)  There 
was this Viking Blue Cutlass S, from NY, that was original and only had 
18,000+ miles on it.  Looked like someone had it in a time capsule.

For those who didn't hear, Olds list member Brian ? (forgot the last 
name), had his 1971 W-30 covt. chosen to represent the 1971 year in the 
"Hundred Years of Olds" area.  He just got a brand new set of "Wide 
Ovals" put on in time for the show.  Congrats Brian! 

Although cloudy most of the day, there was only a brief, 5 minute 
sprinkle.  (Damn! Should have brought the car!) :)

Everyone seemed to have a great time, including my ford friend Rob.  
Cars were grouped by decade and scattered all over downtown.  Picture a 
typical water canal inside a city.  Lots of trees, a board walk, nice 
buildings.  On one side the swap meet areas, on the other the 1971 & up 
area for cars.  On the one end of the canal was a large, steel 
"footbridge" that connected the two "shores".  On the other end, a 
two-lane concrete overpass was the showing area for the 1970 model 
year.  What a beautiful site!  Wish I could live long enough to go to 
the 200th year anniversary! :)

All the way home I had this sh*t-eatin' grin on my face and felt lucky 
that I had a chance to attend such a wonderful Olds event.  
Fortunately, my home is only an hour-and-a half away.  I saw plates 
from MO, CO, TX, CA, FL, ME, IA and of all places HI!  If it wasn't for 
the sudden death of a friend, I would be going back today, (Saturday).

Hope this story of my day in Lansing on August 22nd 1997, will delight 
some of those who didn't get the chance to attend the Olds 100th year 
anniversary.  And yes I'm still kicking myself thinking, "Damn! Should 
have brought the car!"  :)

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt. (the one in the dark & locked garage)    

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:31:21 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Build Sheets search

Hi Lisa

I have found many in different cars over the years.  I'll tell you the
places I found them

1.	Under the Dash
2.	Under the Rug Drivers Side
3.	Stapled under Seats (front or rear)
4.	On top of Gas Tank

They seem to jam them anywhere they could.
But I'm glad they did

Hope  you find Yours
Robert Schinkel

1970 W-31 
1970 442 Convertible
1970 Cutlass Convertible (13.5 ET)






> From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:Build Sheets search
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 12:06 AM
> 
> As someone who's never found a one in 5 Oldsmobiles I'm not too well
> qualified, but I do recall a couple of people finding them like Andy
Green
> suggested, in the driver door panel.  I've got a parts V-C - I guess when
I
> pull it completely apart I may find my very first one!! (or maybe not).
> 
> 
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA
> 
> '66 Toronado
> '67 Delta 88 Custom
> '69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
> '72 Vista Cruiser
> 
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
> 
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:45:20 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Date:	Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:45:20 -0400

I was recently given a NOS piece for a 70 supreme hood.  The piece that
goes down the centre of hood quite long and narrow.

I have 70 Supreme and may use it on my car but I also might sell my
Convertible next year
So I would like to ask You all what you think the thing is worth

Robert Schinkel

1970 W-31
1970 442 Conv.
1970 Cutlass Supreme Conv.

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 09:53:43 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)

- ----------
> From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 9:38 AM
> 
> Well made the trip to Lansing and back, wow!  Here's my tale:	
> 
> 
> First, forgive me Olds brothers for I have sinned...
> 
> Woke-up Friday morning, it was raining!!!(damn!) :(    I spent about 
> two hours cleaning the car so that minimum time was needed once I 
> arrived in lansing.  Just couldn't bring myself to haul out that 4-4-2 
> gem and mess it all up!  With the roads all wet, I decided to take the 
> wife's Olds Achieva.  My buddy Rob, a ford man, and I piled in the car 
> and headed west-ward.
> 
> Not knowing where to go, I headed for the Olds headquarters building.  
> We got there about 8:45, just in time for the 38 mile caravan I was 
> expecting to participate in.  MAJOR DEPRESSION set-in as I drooled over 
> a sea of Oldsmobiles.  (Damn!  Should have brought the car!)  We ended 
> up getting one of the "window flags" that all caravan drivers were 
> given.
> 
> "Start your engines"!  As the caravan got underway, Rob and I watched 
> all the beautiful cars file out of the parking lots.  I can't remember 
> the total but, there were so many cars, if you lined them all up it 
> would span 18 miles! (according to the M.C.)
> 
> Not knowing where to go, I ended up asking Oldsmobile's CEO how to get 
> to the swap meet area. (nice guy)  We then headed for downtown  
> Lansing and found the area per his instructions.  It was no Carisle PA, 
> but large enough to get excited!  Two separate "park areas" each had 
> about six or seven isles and was about 100 yards long.  Lots of good 
> stuff!  Getting there on the 3rd day, I didn't expect to find many good 
> deals.  WRONG!  Although some items were over priced, I personally, 
> hereby declare the swap meet a success!  I found my "hard-to-find 
> cruise control servo, relay rod and all in #2 condition for $50.00!   A 
> 1971 assembly manual; $19.00.  A MINT, 1971 showroom brochure, (full 
> page version), for $4.00!  Also free catalogs from "Supercars 
> Unlimited", "Brothers" and "Specialty Olds".  ("Fusicks" charged $2.00 
> for theirs).  
> 
> Other items and prices include:
> 
> Set of four SSI wheels with used tires in EC for $200.00
> 
> Set of five SSI wheels, (no tires), in EC for $225.00
> 
> Dual-Gate console complete, #2 condition $400.00  (almost bought it)
> 
> Original 1971 Chassis manuals in EC ranged from $45. to $65.  I found 
> one in #3 condition for $20.00!  Should have bought it! (offered him 
> $15. but he wouldn't take it, don't blame him) :) 
> 
> Rally pack gauges in EC, $375.-$450. for the set (no speedo)
> 
> Nice selection of colorful Olds T-shirts, $9.00 each
> 
> Large "brat sized" hotdog $2.00   With onions and green peppers, $2.50. 
> and it was good!
> 
> Didn't see any original W-25 hoods for sale.
> 
> 
> Out of all the 1970 through 72 cars that were there, we only saw four 
> that were "Saturn Gold".  (Damn!  Should have brought the car!)  There 
> was this Viking Blue Cutlass S, from NY, that was original and only had 
> 18,000+ miles on it.  Looked like someone had it in a time capsule.
> 
> For those who didn't hear, Olds list member Brian ? (forgot the last 
> name), had his 1971 W-30 covt. chosen to represent the 1971 year in the 
> "Hundred Years of Olds" area.  He just got a brand new set of "Wide 
> Ovals" put on in time for the show.  Congrats Brian! 
> 
> Although cloudy most of the day, there was only a brief, 5 minute 
> sprinkle.  (Damn! Should have brought the car!) :)
> 
> Everyone seemed to have a great time, including my ford friend Rob.  
> Cars were grouped by decade and scattered all over downtown.  Picture a 
> typical water canal inside a city.  Lots of trees, a board walk, nice 
> buildings.  On one side the swap meet areas, on the other the 1971 & up 
> area for cars.  On the one end of the canal was a large, steel 
> "footbridge" that connected the two "shores".  On the other end, a 
> two-lane concrete overpass was the showing area for the 1970 model 
> year.  What a beautiful site!  Wish I could live long enough to go to 
> the 200th year anniversary! :)
> 
> All the way home I had this sh*t-eatin' grin on my face and felt lucky 
> that I had a chance to attend such a wonderful Olds event.  
> Fortunately, my home is only an hour-and-a half away.  I saw plates 
> from MO, CO, TX, CA, FL, ME, IA and of all places HI!  If it wasn't for 
> the sudden death of a friend, I would be going back today, (Saturday).
> 
> Hope this story of my day in Lansing on August 22nd 1997, will delight 
> some of those who didn't get the chance to attend the Olds 100th year 
> anniversary.  And yes I'm still kicking myself thinking, "Damn! Should 
> have brought the car!"  :)
> 
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt. (the one in the dark & locked garage)    

Nice Story thanks.  It almost felt like I was there.  Almost

Robert Schinkel



> 

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 07:11:49 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !...UPDATE

Great pictures, but would be helpful if filenames gave some hint of
what's in .jpg such as 69_442.JPG so people can get only the ones they
are interested in.  Additionally, this would reduce their time on the
site and help with the performance issue.

Thanks for your efforts.

Gary Andresen - '55 "88" Sleeper running 455

Roland Klinger wrote:
> 
> >The pictures are up !!!! Aprox. 30 images are in the LANSING selection
> >on the site below. Don't know how good they are it's 3:00am and I'm
> >tired.........
> 
> Hello Bill,
> many thanks for those pictures!
> 
> Had no problems at all - some seconds per pic - GREAT!
> 
> greetings, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany
> 
> --  1956 Olds 88 Holiday Coupe --

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:33:15 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Pains in the A** with no Class

I can't believe people would complaim about so many things on this list,
especialty the PICTURES from Lansings.. I think they are great and it's 
nice that the time and effort and cost was taken to do this..So the few
that are complaining GROW UP...   Larry Polesnak
           6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I   R   E

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:06:06 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top for '66 Cutlass

or you could call faxon at 8004582734

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:07:17 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Rear end

its quite a long procedure to dial in the pinion gear and use shims from
the dealer

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:11:39 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A Lansing Experience!  Wow! (long)

> Hope this story of my day in Lansing on August 22nd 1997, will delight
> some of those who didn't get the chance to attend the Olds 100th year
> anniversary.  And yes I'm still kicking myself thinking, "Damn! Should
> have brought the car!"  :)
> 
RC, you have made the day of many that could not attend....thanks for
sharing.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:21:14 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> '66 Toronado's had them stock.
> 
Lisa, for that matter, 64 442's had them stock too.  But did the 66
Toro's look like a stock 69 with an added snorkel?  In other words, the
person is trying to find out the "source" of the air cleaner.  If you
could describe the air cleaner, then we can determine if he has a 71
semi-rare 442 air cleaner, or even rarer 66 Toro one.  In fact he said
it was red, I wonder, since it has dual snorkels, if it could possibly
be a 68-9 W-30 air cleaner?  Nah, he didn't mention a chrome lid......

Thanks Lisa!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:32:14 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Pains in the A** with no Class

I got to agree Larry 

Anything they do to make life better for those who can;t be there is very
much appreciated and I hope more pictures and story come 
I look forward to anything from Lansing 
Just wish I was there

Robert Schinkel

- ----------
> From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
> To: olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Pains in the A** with no Class
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 1:33 PM
> 
> I can't believe people would complaim about so many things on this list,
> especialty the PICTURES from Lansings.. I think they are great and it's 
> nice that the time and effort and cost was taken to do this..So the few
> that are complaining GROW UP...   Larry Polesnak
>            6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I   R   E

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:33:45 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 

- ----------
> From: Robert Schinkel <docbob@caninet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 9:45 AM
> 
> I was recently given a NOS piece for a 70 supreme hood.  The piece that
> goes down the centre of hood quite long and narrow.
> 
> I have 70 Supreme and may use it on my car but I also might sell my
> Convertible next year
> So I would like to ask You all what you think the thing is worth
The hood piece that is
> 
> Robert Schinkel
> 
> 1970 W-31
> 1970 442 Conv.
> 1970 Cutlass Supreme Conv.
> 

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:37:47 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 

 Kanter's has these parts as well as a couple of people in Hemmings.
Kanter's has a web site.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>looking for information and data about hyd. pumps for 51 Olds
>power windows and seat.  Also dealers who handle or rebuild such.
>any info. will help
>
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 11:47:52 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Robert,

 I wasn't the one looking.  As a matter of fact, this discussiion was to
identify one that a member had.  I would be interested in a ram air breather
for my '68 if the price is such that I could afford it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




I have been off the list for a few days and have missed the first part of
this question
Am I to understand that someone is looking for a 68 442 breather
Just asking cause I have some

Bob Schinkel

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:50:12 -0600
From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe oldsmobile "Chris Kugler" <talcarol@erie.net>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:50:08 -0500
From: Tom & Jodie Martin <tmartin@genevaonline.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Operating Temp

One note on cheapo type thermostats, they typically CLOSE at rated temp and
OPEN 15 degrees above rated temp.  So a 180 does not get FULLY open til 195,
and a 195 does not fully open til 210.  The high performace thermostats from
Robertshaw and Moroso open fully at actual rated temp, and open WITH the
coolant flow compared to the cheapos that open against coolant flow.  If you
have the 2, compare them in a pan of water with a thermometer in it.  You may
be suprised.

I can speak with experience, the high performance thermostats are more
accurate, and warm up faster.  My 455 would see operating temp (180) in about
5 minutes after startup even in cold weather with a open air cleaner and no
emissions.  Also, I have always run a 160 stat and operating always was 175
degrees, when I put in the 180, it ran 180 and I had better more consistant
performance.  AutoZ@ne keeps these Robertshaw high performance thermostats in
stock for $4.59 everywhere I have been.  It is a worthwhile part, while the
Moroso version is typically $8+.   

Sorry for the bandwidth, hope it helps someone

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 (formerly 455)
85 Cutlass Supreme 307 (soon to be 350)
91 Bonnevilee LE 3800

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:20:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

In a message dated 97-08-23 08:30:20 EDT, you write:

<<  He also told me that the 10 bolt posi
 rear ends go for approx $100.00 (US) vice the 12 bolts that go for approx
 $350.00 (US). Just my 2 cents worth. >>


 I dont think you can get  a used G body 8.5" 10 bolt for $100....let me
 know if ya can cuz I could sure use a few at that price.....TIM 

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:17:36 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

 Chris,

My pipe ataches to the passenger's side of the engine on the '68 442 that is
in the garage.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Mike,
>
>> although not "correct" for the 68 year, the dual snorkel was
>> just a modified version of the single snorkel unit used in 70.  It will
>> fit and function normally on a 68 442.  Not 100% sure about the hot air
>> tube fitting from a 68 though.  If it is the same as a 69, then yes.  I
>
>Well the stove pipe attaches to the driver's side of the air cleaner.
>Is
>that ok?
>
>> know the hot-air pipe will definitely work from 69-72.    It just had a
>> small "growth" of another snorkel about 120 degrees apart from the
>> orignal one.  Looks kinda cool though.  Paint it "red-orange" and you
>> got one neat looking air cleaner, and it uses the STOCK air elements to
>> boot!
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:33:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pains in the A** with no Class

In a message dated 97-08-23 11:01:55 EDT, you write:

<< I can't believe people would complaim about so many things on this list,
 especialty the PICTURES from Lansings.. I think they are great and it's 
 nice that the time and effort and cost was taken to do this..So the few
 that are complaining GROW UP...   Larry Polesnak
            6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I   R   E
  >>

How true Larry, its AWFULLY NICE when someone goes to that kind of effort
for the rest of us.....Many many thanks and not labeling the pics is kinda
like 
opening  Christmas presents...much more fun when ya dont know what it is...


                                                                          TIM

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:08:10 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Steering problems

Igor wrote:
> 
>         I have got a, what I think, is a major walop in my streering on the 81
> Delta.  I have new shocks and 255/60/15 tires on it.  I think that there is
> a excessive play in the steering box, and I am wondering if it could be
> reduced and the steering made a bit tighter and more responsive.  I think
> that there is a alen screw on the box which could be turned to adjust this.
>  If this exists, and I mark the position of the screw, if I start playing
> with it, can I get it back to normal later.  If not, what could I do to
> solve this problem
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88 307
> 1995 Intrepid 3.3
> 1976 Delta 88 455


How many miles does the car have? If it is all original then you will
probably be looking at replacing the front end soon. In the interim, I
would replace the idler arm and the gearbox. You can tighten that set
screw down some and it will help for a while, but it will make the
gearbox wear out even quicker. That screw is a intended to be a one time
adjustment at the time of the box's manufacturing, it is NOT a regular
service adjustment. Auto-zone has your steering box for $120 + $40 core
and has a lifetime warranty.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:21:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Re:Build Sheets search

Robert - it looks like verifying whether or not the '69 Toro has the W-34
option will depend on the...............build sheet.  Oh boy.  I'll have to
gear up to do battles with the mice to see if they're under/in/around the
seats.  I've got some mightly confused desert rodents right about now
(and/or some happy inland cats!!).

Thanks for the tips.  Believe you me - if I find one FINALLY - everyone
will hear about it!!!!


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:23:48 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Bill Culp's description was a pretty good one.  Now, after ALL the ones
I've looked at over the years, I cant clearly recall what the 442, etc.,
type dual snorkels look like but it rings a dim bell that they don't have
as long or as slim at the end snorkels.  Toros have long, tapering snorkels
to a small flared opening at the end.

Mike - do we have an engine shot over on the Toro list that this guy could
take a gander at?


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'66 Toronado
'67 Delta 88 Custom
'69 Toronado (aka Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 14:20:05 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Pains in the A** with no Class

> How true Larry, its AWFULLY NICE when someone goes to that kind of effort
> for the rest of us.....Many many thanks and not labeling the pics is kinda
> like
> opening  Christmas presents...much more fun when ya dont know what it is...
> 
>                                                                           TIM


Very true.  I ~think~ Bill's intentions are to make an ~actual~
hypertext'd page after he gets back home, and after he has ~all~ the
pictures up and loaded.  It'd be tough to categorize everything before
having everything, I'm sure:)  A couple of his new ones wouldn't work
for me "My server was forbiddend to have access" or something like
that...  No big deal, since the rest all worked great.  Oh, and for the
mid 80's G-Body folks (like ~me~) check out pics 14, 15, and 16!  I
drooled all night and all day over those shots!  Only place I've ~ever~
seen that many Cutlass's in one place has been in my front yard, and I
guarantee there ain't a one that looks ~that~ nice!!!

From what I'd seen, Lisa M's post originated this thread?  The one I
read didn't look much like a complaint to me (I've seen much ~MUCH~
worse on here!:) but more of a suggestion.  One that I'm sure Bill had
every intention of remedying at his nearest convenience.  I know I've
done that many times (and cussed myself later for it:) being pressed for
time, I'd just assign a number to a scan, and go back later to fix
it...  I wouldn't get too shook up about the "complaint" cuz I really
don't think there was much conviction behind it.  Anyone notice a trend
here?  All the letters complaining about people complaining???  Hmmm. 
We could start a talk show....  ;)

<Lisa:>  BTW, I ~still~ don't have that Toro yet!  I have Christmas
hopes, though!  What a mess...

Thanks again, Bill!  (Sure wish I was there!!!!!)


- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:23:48 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

At 02:20 PM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-08-23 08:30:20 EDT, you write:
>
><<  He also told me that the 10 bolt posi
> rear ends go for approx $100.00 (US) vice the 12 bolts that go for approx
> $350.00 (US). Just my 2 cents worth. >>
>
>
> I dont think you can get  a used G body 8.5" 10 bolt for $100....let me
> know if ya can cuz I could sure use a few at that price.....TIM 

I agree. We sell them for at least $150-$175 and posi units are even more.
Most 12 bolts here go for $500 on up if in good shape. 

____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS.....daily driver..1/4 times  to  come
80 Olds 442 W-30.......show car...2nd place '97 Olds Nats.
75 Hurst/Olds W-25...restoration project

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 16:41:01 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Lansing

Yesterday I went to lansing to soak up the fun.  I've never seen that
many old cars in one place before(most of my old car viewing is done at
cruise nights), let alone Oldsmobiles.  The swap meet was great even
though I only spent $2.00 on a '65 paint chip booklet.  I did get a card
from a local guy who makes headliners from the orig. patterns, not the
one you take out.  

I only have one complaint, I didn't see the one model of car I was
specifically looking for; a '65 Jetstar I.  I've only seen one in my
life (except for pictures) and that's the one in my yard.  There was a
beautiful all original '64 but no '65s.  Oh well, I had fun anyway.

Rick Anderson
Clarkston, MI
'65 Jetstar I

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:53:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pains in the A** with no Class

In a message dated 97-08-23 16:17:06 EDT, you write:

<<  Anyone notice a trend
 here?  All the letters complaining about people complaining???  Hmmm. 
 We could start a talk show....  ;)-- 
     
              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com >>

Hey Charley, couldn't this be misconstrued as you complaining about
all the letters complaining about people complaining???;-)  Dont get me
wrong, Im not complaining if ya are......lol....cuz if I were then it would
be me complaining about you complaining about all the letters comp-
laining about people complaining and I know some one would probably
complain about it if I did....lol...TIM

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Mail Delivery

Can someone tell me why I will be able to read the reply to this
post before I am actually able to read this post?  Many times I 
receive list mail that is in response to mail that has not been 
delivered yet.....Gets kinda confusing sometimes....TIM

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 00:31:13 -0300
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Mail Delivery (Olds List computer question)

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me why I will be able to read the reply to this
> post before I am actually able to read this post?  Many times I
> receive list mail that is in response to mail that has not been
> delivered yet.....Gets kinda confusing sometimes....TIM


Hmmmmmm good question.  But if you are getting a response to a question
you don't remember asking, then it can get kinda spooky!

Any computer wizards out there care to tackle this one?

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 01:54:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

Look for a wagon( custom cruiser,estate wagon, caprice wagon, parriesien
wagon ) 1977-1990 with overdrive, would likely have low gears and a posi (
both wheels spin instead of just one) especially if it came with a trailer
towing package. The truck rear would not fit without a lot of work, you have
coil springs in a car and trucks have leaf springs. You would have to change
the spring mounts.

Alan Kohler 
Rockton, IL

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:44:40 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>

Sorry to have to say this, but we're leaving LANSING at 4:30 on Sunday.
So this will be the last message until we're back at home. Charlie B. is
100% correct, posting those images at 2am turned out to be a real job.
Most were taken with the digital camera, which meant downloading,
enhancing, compressing, naming, saving, uploading, then giving access
rights to the files. When you get the "FORBIDEN" message, it means I
left out the last step. As you can see I did start to define the file
names, unfortunately after I had already saved them. Which meant I
needed to view each one a second time in order for me to find out what
each one was, and at 2am that would have done more harm than good! I'll
need a day or two to get on top of all the pictures (uploaded and still
in the camera). Got alot of parade pics today, and several 1988 areo
Hurst/Olds.

LANSING was an experience that I was glad to be a part of and will
remember forever. I made alot of new friends. Learned alot about
Oldsmobiles. And had fun in the process! Most of all, being able to
share it in this small way with all the people that couldn't make it in
person. 

Well, that's all folks !

I'll let the list know when the pics are ready.

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:53:20 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>

Bill thanks for all your effort and taking the time to put the pics up.
It has been great getting to see something that I would not have
normally gotten to see. Hopefully I will get to go to some shows soon
and get to meet some of the people on the list. Thanks again Terry

Terry Teague 
68 Delta custom

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:50:31 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

Alan Kohler wrote:

Look for a wagon( custom cruiser,estate wagon, caprice wagon, parriesien
wagon ) 1977-1990 with overdrive, would likely have low gears and a posi (
both wheels spin instead of just one) especially if it came with a trailer
towing package. The truck rear would not fit without a lot of work, you
have
coil springs in a car and trucks have leaf springs. You would have to
change
the spring mounts.


I made my question a little bit unclear.  I know that a truck rear end
would not fit, but what I want to do is get a rear end from another car
(ex. Custom Cruiser) expecting it to come with low gears, and then get just
the ring and pinion set from a truck if I could (so that I don't have to
buy them new) and put it in the rear end from the car that I got.  I think
that most trucks in the late 70's and 80's came with a standard gear ration
of about 3.23 or 3.43.  So, I don't want the whole rear end of a truck,
just the ring and pinion set.  So, if I got the rear end from a say custom
cruiser, would the ring and pinion from the truck work?  And if I find a
rear from one of those wagons with a tow package (there is a chance that
some of them had upgraded their rear ends to a 3.73 or so), how could I ID
what ratio they have?

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid 3.3
1976 Delta 88 455
	

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