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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 30 1997     Volume 01 : Number 877



Re: Carburator Question
Attachments
1970  Cutlass SX convertible for sale
RE: jason adcock
Re: Rear axle seal
Lansing Video:  Fourth Update
Attachments
Re: Rear axle seal
Another question from the rookie
Performance Q's
Re: 69 Factory Assembly Manual
Re: Attachments
Re: Lansing Video:  Fourth Update
Re: Rear axle seal
Re: '71 Cutlass Steering Wheel (fwd)
Re: Rear axle seal
RE: jason adcock
Re: Rear axle seal
Re: Build Sheet Help
Export Engine Horsepower Ratings
email reply
Re: Performance Q's
Re: Carburator Question
Re: Another question from the rookie
Re: 69 Factory Assembly Manual
Re: '71 Cutlass Steering Wheel (fwd)
69 Cutlass with f-body disc brakes <fwd>
Pattons Email
Re: 65 Vista-Cruiser
Re: Carburator Question
Re: Olds Music
Re: Performance Q's
Re: TPI fro Olds?
Re: Qjets
last chance to Vote Olds
Re: Compression test
Re: Olds In Print
Re: Mark Prince's Car on My Classic Car
Re: Performance Q's
Re: 65 Vista-Cruiser
72 W-30 Q jet
Re: Compression test
Re: `70 442 vs W-30
Re: TPI fro Olds?
Re: "B" Olds Head Question
Re: Olds Music
All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?
'68 Toro cam specs; who has a '68 shop manual?
VFI or TBI...was Re: TPI fro Olds?
Quadrabog??  Any ideas?
Top Speed
Re: Carburator Question
Re: jason adcock
Re: Carburator Question
Color codes
Re: new modine radiator
Re: Rear axle seal
RE: jason adcock
Re: Quadrabog??  Any ideas?
RE: last chance to Vote Olds
RE: Color codes
RE: jason adcock

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:57:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: KR442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

CHECK THE CHOKE SOUNDS LIKE ITS NOT CLOSING PROPERLY SPRAY YOU LINKAGE WITH
CARB CLEANER MIGHT BE GUNKED UP IF THIS DOESNT TAKE CARE OF IT YOU MAY HAVE
TO REBUILD IT NOT AS HARD AS IT SOUNDS . GOOD LUCK
                               KR442

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:01:23 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Attachments

Hi, all.

I just looked at my email from Outlook 97 in
Netscape 4 email.  Sure enough, there is a dumb
attachment, with seemingly nothing there.  The
messages don't word wrap, either.  Well, my
apologies to everybody if I caused heartache.
- --

 Jason Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:55:26 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: 1970  Cutlass SX convertible for sale

hey fellow oldsmobile obssessionist,
I have a 1970 Cutlass SX convertible I would like to sell, its a numbers
matching car, 2 bbl carb, rare...made 1st 6 months of 70,1 of 743 built for 70,
have original window sticker, build sheet,protecto plate, 4th owner, lifelong
southern car (Greensboro,N.C.) have spent over a year and 7 k in full frame up
restoration, detailed front and rear suspension sand blasted and painted satin
black with red polyeurothane bushings, rear end sand blasted and painted silver
with W-27 aluminum cover (12 bolt with factory posi unit 2.56 gear)all new
wheel cylinders, calipers, shocks, springs,tie rods, tie rod ends,idler arm
motor was rebuilt 30k ago,fully detailed with code dated wires and battery
spring terminals, R-59 energizer battery,correct T-3 headlight
bulbs,transmission removed detailed and all new seals installed,new vacuum
modulator,driveshaft removed and detailed also,car has every available option
including power 4-way bench seat with center armrest, power windows, power
locks, power top, power front disc brakes, A/C, power trunk release,cruise
tilt, rare rally pac instrumentation, quartz clock update and tachometer
calibration, all new interior (meduim blue in color) including door panels,
carpet, all lock and window switches, carpet, door sill plates, top is white in
color and as new with correct glass rear window, keyless entry/alarm system
installed, original AM/FM radio works as new,color is azure blue, code ª30,
hand rubbed lacquer 15 coats,new GM front fenders, rechromed front and rear
bumpers rear has factory cut outs and trumpet tips, side mirrors are factory
dual sport 1970 ridged style, all new emblems, front hood mouldings,front and
rear fender extensions, has newer factory chrome style wheels presently have
the original SSI wheels to go with it, new B.F. Goodrich Radial T/A tires, car
runs and drives tight, it floats at 100 mph, asking 20 K or best
offer...interesting oldsmobile trade considered...thanx...Hoagie

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:02:55 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: RE: jason adcock

Yep.....lots of them.  I use Eudora, too, and it is annoying to have it stop
on every attachment.  Not being the email wizard, maybe there's some option
to set to avoid this?  Dunno...

>Uhh, is anybody else getting attachments from me?  Cuz I'm sure as heck not
attaching anything to my emails.  I use Outlook 97.  Maybe all the bugs
aren't out just yet :)
>
> Jason Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:william goodnight [SMTP:idaholc@primenet.com]
>Sent:Monday, September 29, 1997 8:11 PM
>To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject:jason adcock
>
>Whoever Jason  Adcock is, he is sure screwing up my downloading of e-mail.
>Do Not! attach information, copy it instead to your message.  Eudora stops
>on every attachment and waits for a command.  It would be so simple to copy
>your messages to your e-mail.
>
>
>Bill Goodnight
>Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
>idaholc@primenet.com
>Boise, Idaho
>
>
>Attachment Converted: C:\NETLINK\EUDORA\REJASONA
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:58:16 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

M&D Gillespie wrote:
>
> The seal on my right rear axle is leaking diff fluid and I need to replace
> it. I have the new seal but would like to pull the axle without paying $40
> to rent a slide hammer from the local parts store. It is the "O" type axle.
> Does anyone have any tricks to getting the axle out without the special
> tool? The same applies to the seal itself. Is it easy to get out without
> using the special "puller"? What about replacing the seal? Is there any
> special advice on the correct way to seat the new seal?  It seems there is a
> special tool required for almost every task and they are expensive to rent
> for only a few minutes use.
> TIA
>
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htmtry this 1, we use it
in the south...because its so far to the parts store...take and attach a heavy
logging chain by 2 lug nuts to the rear axle and take and WHIP the chain
hard...have used this method several times and works like a charm...make sure
the lugs are tight...if not...they may break off....hope it works as well for
you as it did for me....hoagie

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:10:13 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Lansing Video:  Fourth Update

Hi Everybody,
                       Greg Beaulieu was kind enough to send me 4 hours of
video shot at Lansing, so I'm anxious to get started editing.  So far, I've
collected about 5 1/2 hours of tape, and the finished product will run about
an hour.  I'm just sending out one final plea to anyone who had a video
camera at the Centennial - PLEASE send me your tapes!  The more shots I have
to pick from, the better it'll turn out.  Thanks to everyone that already
made a contribution to the project.

Doug Newman
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

http://www.442.com/newman.html  (Updated by Bryceman 9/18/97)
http://wcbi.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:16:29 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Attachments

Ahhh!!!

Alright, I hope it's better now!  I just setup Netscape 4.0 email so there
shouldn't be any annoyances now.  Sorry...

- --

 Jason (ducking behind the door of his Cutlass) Adcock
 jadcock@vt.edu
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:12:21 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

Well as far as getting the axel out, you can bolt the drum back on wrong
side out and loosly and use it as a slide hammer to get the axel out
might take several tries

Terry

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:26:06 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Another question from the rookie

Looking for the master cylinder gasket, it is a single round with two
notches that look like the letter t on opposite sides, it is for a '64
Dynamic 88.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
          \\|//
          (o o)
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. MantonSAS Institute
Business Solutions DivisionPhoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice        (602) 265-8585 - fax
(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:33:17 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Performance Q's

Can anyone tell me what kind of ET an 86 cutlass 4dr 307 should run?  Also,
What would be a respectfull time for this car to run?  It feels like it wont
even run into the 19's. It pulls good till about 40-mph and falls on its face.

I went to the Local Drag strip on saturday, and was dissapointed.  Not one
OLDS made a showing.  It was mainly CH**Y and F**D.  Every one here in the
local area feel if its not one of the two it isn't worth running.  I would
like to at least have one nice OLDS in the area. Granted it wont be a speed
demon, I just want respectful performance.

I would like mid 14's if at all possible with the little motor.  What gears
should I use 3:23, 3:42, 3:55, 3:77?  What kit will work good in the trans.
Ect:

I am willing to lean how to make performance with keeping the computer ect
in place.

Any information will be of great help.

Clarence
86 CUTLASS 4dr 307

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: KR442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Factory Assembly Manual

look in year one or kanter almost every olds parts order sells them around
29.00 I just ordered one from year one for my 65 CUTLASS 442

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:39:38 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Attachments

Thanks, Jason!

>Ahhh!!!
>
>Alright, I hope it's better now!  I just setup Netscape 4.0 email so there
>shouldn't be any annoyances now.  Sorry...
>
>--
>
> Jason (ducking behind the door of his Cutlass) Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:42:18 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Lansing Video:  Fourth Update

Hi, Doug,

Guess I must have missed your request earlier....I have maybe an hour or so
of Lansing video *battery died!*.....I'll mail a copy out to you tomorrow.

>Hi Everybody,
>                       Greg Beaulieu was kind enough to send me 4 hours of
>video shot at Lansing, so I'm anxious to get started editing.  So far, I've
>collected about 5 1/2 hours of tape, and the finished product will run about
>an hour.  I'm just sending out one final plea to anyone who had a video
>camera at the Centennial - PLEASE send me your tapes!  The more shots I have
>to pick from, the better it'll turn out.  Thanks to everyone that already
>made a contribution to the project.
>
>Doug Newman
>22 Ridge Road
>Columbus, MS   39701
>
>http://www.442.com/newman.html  (Updated by Bryceman 9/18/97)
>http://wcbi.com
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:40:41 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

 Hey, This sounds simple and easy. Thanks for the tip.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

try this 1, we use it in the south...because its so far to the parts
>store...take and attach a heavy logging chain by 2 lug nuts to the rear
>axle and take and WHIP the chain hard...have used this method several
>times and works like a charm...make sure the lugs are tight...if
>not...they may break off....hope it works as well for you as it did for
>me....hoagie

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:54:46 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '71 Cutlass Steering Wheel (fwd)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> >From Doug Kitchener...

> H*lp!  Got a mystery for you... what style deluxe steering wheel did the '71
> Cutlass use... the same as used in '70, or the same as used in '72?  (Or 
both,
> which I somehow doubt....)  Have seen both,
> The 8/70 sales literature that I have for '71 shows the '70-style, but we all
> know that sales lit is not reliable...

Doug

I had a '72 Supreme as a winter beater a few years ago.  I don't think
you ever saw it.  It had the '70 type wheel.  My '72 Product Selling
Information book shows the '70 style wheel as option N30 for the F-85
and standard for the Cutlass, S, Supreme and 4-4-2 as well as the
Cutlass Cruiser and Vista-Cruiser.  The only optional wheel I see is the
N34 Sport Wheel.  Don't know how that '72 came into play on the '71
W30.  Sounds like maybe the virgin was molested a little?  Or maybe it
was a real, real, real late run '71 and they ran out of '71 wheels?

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:59:01 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

At 07:43 PM 9/29/97 -0500, you wrote:
Mick

        There is a very easy way of getting it out. Take the drum off and
loosen the 4 axle retaining nuts holding the brake backing plate off. Once
they are all off turn the drum inside out and install 3 lugnuts half way
down. Then you can use the drum as your slide hammer and it will fall out
into your lap. The seal is a different story. You will have to have the
bearing retainer removed and the bearing to get the seal off. You might as
well replace the axle bearing and reatainer at the same time. Nobody will be
able to save the retainer. You will have to have a shop or someone press the
new retainer one after you install a new seal and bearing.

Jim Chermack



>The seal on my right rear axle is leaking diff fluid and I need to replace
>it. I have the new seal but would like to pull the axle without paying $40
>to rent a slide hammer from the local parts store. It is the "O" type axle.
>Does anyone have any tricks to getting the axle out without the special
>tool? The same applies to the seal itself. Is it easy to get out without
>using the special "puller"? What about replacing the seal? Is there any
>special advice on the correct way to seat the new seal?  It seems there is a
>special tool required for almost every task and they are expensive to rent
>for only a few minutes use.
>TIA
>
>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
>69 Cutlass S convertible
>mgillespie@sprynet.com
>http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
>
>

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:00:23 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: RE: jason adcock

At 08:53 PM 9/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
Jason

        YES! They come with every message you send. It is a pain in the
backside. Hope you can change it. Thanks!

Jim Chermack

>Uhh, is anybody else getting attachments from me?  Cuz I'm sure as heck not
attaching anything to my emails.  I use Outlook 97.  Maybe all the bugs
aren't out just yet :)
>
> Jason Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:william goodnight [SMTP:idaholc@primenet.com]
>Sent:Monday, September 29, 1997 8:11 PM
>To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject:jason adcock
>
>Whoever Jason  Adcock is, he is sure screwing up my downloading of e-mail.
>Do Not! attach information, copy it instead to your message.  Eudora stops
>on every attachment and waits for a command.  It would be so simple to copy
>your messages to your e-mail.
>
>
>Bill Goodnight
>Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
>idaholc@primenet.com
>Boise, Idaho
>
>Attachment Converted: C:\EXIS32\download\RE jason adcock
>

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:10:17 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

I used good old elbow grease... I sat on my butt and the second tugg it
came out. You may consider doing the bearing if your pulling the side
out anyway. Once again, its easier said than done....

Howie
71 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:18:39 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Build Sheet Help

MiLiT@Nt1 wrote:

> > > 5639-357
> > Should this be 5439?  5439 is the model number for a Delmont 88 Holiday
> > Sedan.  5400 is the series, 39 in the body style.  Olds didn't have a
> > 5600 series (at least in '68).
>
> Nope, it's definately a 6...

That's really strange.  What are the numbers from the Fisher plate?  I
can't find any reference to a 5600.  Maybe with the Delta interior this
is considered a Delmont Custom and has a separate series number.  That
sounds like Rocket Science, doesn't it?  But a little further research
has surfaced a 5600 series for '67, that would be the Delmont "425"
series.  None of this makes much sense.

> > rear door lamp switches?
>
> Don't think so...  What or where are these?

These are the interior light switches in the rear door jambs.  When you
open a rear door, the rear 1/4 roof lights should come on.  If you've
got the armrest plates and window moldings, you should also have rear
roof 1/4 lamps and rear door jamb switches as well a foam padded front
seat cushion.  That's all part of the Deluxe Interior Equipment.  These
options weren't available separately (except for the seat cushion).

The optional Custom Interior includes Custom seat upholstery and door
trim panels (Delta interior), carpeted door and cowl lower panels,
woven-fiber rear window shelf covering, Custom Sport Front Seat (the one
with the center armrest, from the Delta), bright seat side upper and
lower panels and rear roof 1/4 lamps.  All these items were standard in
the Delta.

Now, do you have:

foam padded rear seat cushion (that would be hard to tell, I guess)?
Deluxe Steering Wheel?
Instrument Panel Courtesy and Map (over the radio dial) lamps?
Which 455 do you have?

These are the only other differences between a Delmont and a Delta.
Still trying to figure out why they ordered the Delmont this way...

"They coulda had a Delta 88!"

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:22:26 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Export Engine Horsepower Ratings

This is for the fella that was asking about these ratings over the
weekend.  My "Catalog of American Car ID Numbers 1960-69" lists the
horsepower ratings for all '66 Olds engines, except export engines.
Sorry, I thought I had this licked, but all the export engines have
little hash marks. :(

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:25:34 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: email reply

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Olds folks,
Has anyone had trouble replying to my EMAIL ? Like having to put the
PATTON on B4 you reply ?????? I have asked my provider and he said "HUH"


Tanks
The General
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:31 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Performance Q's

First, what kind of trainy are you runny, from my knowlege, that year
they used TH-200 (for the versitility of V6's and V8's) which is not
a performace trainy at all, I al talking from experience, I know what
the 40 the the
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 5 minutes
later your at 65 experice. My mom had an 84 cutlass, with a 307, but
had a 6 in it originally, she kept the TH-200, (I wanted the TH-350),
finally it gave up the goat and we swapped out it out with a TH-350,
she could have never been happier. She guestemated at least a 1 1/2
to 2 second change.

> Can anyone tell me what kind of ET an 86 cutlass 4dr 307 should run?  Also,
> What would be a respectfull time for this car to run?  It feels like it wont
> even run into the 19's. It pulls good till about 40-mph and falls on its 
face.
 > Not good, I know that, they were in the process of kinda fazing out the
V8's then, and pointing toward the "wonder gas milage difference the sierra
makes" There alot of aftermarket parts you can get to supe up the 307, Holly
induction system, computer friendly cams for Crane/Comp Cams, Better ignition
systems, ect. Ever hear of Summit Racing equipment? They are not really
extensive for olds products, there catalog is almost virtually Ch*vy Based, but
the ideas are there and they do carry the same products for alot of other
automobile manufacturures, there just Ch*vy lovers. You can get a catalog off
of SummitRacing.com if your interested.

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:26:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

In a message dated 97-09-29 18:31:55 EDT, you write:

> When I let my car set for a few days I have to pump the gas what seems like
>  forever before it starts. No problem when it sits for a few hours. Also,
>  when the car is cold it really bogs down, I really have to baby the gas or
>  it wants to die on me. Once it has warmed up it runs great. Any help would
>  be appreciated.
it sounds like you probabily need an accelerator pump(or two).  if the
accelerator pump is good i would try a new fuel pump.

mikey tvb@aol.com
73 cutlass w/403

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:27:45 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Another question from the rookie

I would check two different sites on the net, one would be
smothersbrothers.com, other would be Kanter.com, they both specialize
in older car parts and hard to find parts, there relativly
competitivly priced. Thats where I found my 70 fuel pump where all
else failed. I would do a search on those two, becaue I might have
screwed up the URL's, but, I remeber that was the name of the company
anyway.


> Looking for the master cylinder gasket, it is a single round with two
> notches that look like the letter t on opposite sides, it is for a '64
> Dynamic 88.
>
> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>           \\|//
>           (o o)
> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> Gary M. Manton                  SAS Institute
> Business Solutions Division         Phoenix, AZ  85012
> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice             (602) 265-8585 - fax
>                         (888) 982-4079 - Pager
>
> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
> if you stay in the middle of the road"
> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:31:33 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 69 Factory Assembly Manual

Kerr, Brian (R) wrote:

> ª1 on my list of things to
> buy was an assembly manual for a '69 Cutlass.

> suggest a vendor that sells them.
> Another option would be to ask/plead/beg for someone to pick up one for me
> at Carlisle. Any replies or assistance would be much appreciated.

Brian

Fusick has these in his catalog for $25.  I'm kicking around the idea of
picking one up for you.  But til I send it to you, Fusick could send it
to you just as easy.  Plus you could avoid my heavy mark-up (parking,
food, gas, time). ;)

Do you think you could attend the Fall Hershey Meet the following
weedend?  Fusick is always there, on the white field.  He always has
these on hand.  Hershey is about 1/2 to 3/4 hour east of Carlisle.
Hershey runs from Wed. the 8th thru Sat. the 11th.

Paul
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Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:41:28 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '71 Cutlass Steering Wheel (fwd)

Paul Hartlieb wrote:

> I had a '72 Supreme as a winter beater a few years ago.  I don't think
> you ever saw it.  It had the '70 type wheel.

Sorry for the typo.  Guess I really confused the Hell out of people
now.  I had a '71! Not a '72.  The '71 had the '70 style wheel.

Gonna fire that proof-reader again...

Paul
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Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:58:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Kenneth Monnin <jkm0004@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: 69 Cutlass with f-body disc brakes <fwd>

I would like to thank Patton (The General) for the information he sent me but I
had a computer crash and lost your E-Mail address.


> Has anybody done a disc brake conversion to a 69 Cutlass using
> discbrakespindles and rotors from a second Generation F-Body?
> I bought spindles and rotors off of a 77 Firebird because my
> friends(who have now claimed ignorance) claimed they would work great
> to lower the car.  When I called several suspension component companies
> they told me 3 different things.
> 1) Might no be able to meet alignement specs.
> 2) Might have to modify lower control arm to accept F-body ball joints
> 3) Stock spindles and lowered springs will work better anyways...buy
> our kit.
> Before I make a mistake by using these parts I would like to hear from
> anybody who has tried a similar swap or has front spindles for sale.
>
> My new E-Mail address is johnmonnin1@juno.com.
>

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:45:42 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Pattons Email

Patton, if you can see this, Yes, I did have a problem, your email
adress came up as garbage when I tried to reply to it, I think you
should tell your internet provider you have a corrupt index file or
corrupt email folder, and see if they can take care of it, (I am a
computer technician by trade, work on Olds as a hobby/as needed, dad
was a mechanic, I am not making it up to sound good. :)
That is the most common problem we have around the campus regarding
email.
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 97 20:55:52 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: 65 Vista-Cruiser

There is one for sale in the latest JWO (the OCT issue came today, some lucky
sob...err guy got a ram air hood for ~$75!!!!!~ at the swap meet in Lansing)
The car is in the leads section, located in Ohio and yours for only $840.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:34:56 -0700
From: Paul <alindema@badlands.nodak.edu>
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

Is your 1971 Olds 442 Convertable a Quadra-Jet?

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Music

In a message dated 97-09-29 01:50:38 EDT, you write:

<<
 Well, since we're reminiscing... I remember my "first time": it was in my
 '70 SX, and Van Halen's "Panama" came on the radio (then it was a new
 song...). I won't claim that song is a masterpiece, but at that time in that
 place, it was magic: foot on the throttle rounding a bend onto a long
 straightaway on the highway, speedo creeping up... 65, 70, <"panama"> 80...
 85 <"Panama" boom boom...> 90... 95 <"PANAMA"!!!> _100_MPH!

 There've been times since that I've gone much faster, and I'm sure there'll
 be times to come, but for a 16-year old on his way to school in his own car,
 that was a moment I'll never forget.
 _______________________________________________________
 Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
 Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

  >>

It's always interesting to place names, ages, etc. as things are said.  So
according to this, either you're lying about some of the above (being 16,
when Panama came out first), or you're about the same age as I am (late 20's,
to early 30's).  I can remember getting that tape (still have it, not quite
worn out yet...).

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:38:25 +0000
From: clarence wirtz <cw63nova@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Performance Q's

At 02:25 AM 9/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
TH200-r4 the O/D tranny.  With 2:46 gears. Oh it does have true dual exhaust
with turbo style mufflers with 2 1/4 pipe.


>First, what kind of trainy are you runny, from my knowlege, that year
>they used TH-200 (for the versitility of V6's and V8's) which is not
>a performace trainy at all, I al talking from experience, I know what
>the 40 the the
>eeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh 5 minutes
>later your at 65 experice. My mom had an 84 cutlass, with a 307, but
>had a 6 in it originally, she kept the TH-200, (I wanted the TH-350),
>finally it gave up the goat and we swapped out it out with a TH-350,
>she could have never been happier. She guestemated at least a 1 1/2
>to 2 second change.
>
>> Can anyone tell me what kind of ET an 86 cutlass 4dr 307 should run?  Also,
>> What would be a respectfull time for this car to run?  It feels like it wont
>> even run into the 19's. It pulls good till about 40-mph and falls on its
face.
>>
>Not good, I know that, they were in the process of kinda fazing out
>the V8's then, and pointing toward the "wonder gas milage difference
>the sierra makes" There alot of aftermarket parts you can get to supe
>up the 307, Holly induction system, computer friendly cams for
>Crane/Comp Cams, Better ignition systems, ect. Ever hear of Summit
>Racing equipment? They are not really extensive for olds products,
>there catalog is almost virtually Ch*vy Based, but the ideas are
>there and they do carry the same products for alot of other
>automobile manufacturures, there just Ch*vy lovers. You can get a
>catalog off of SummitRacing.com if your interested.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:27:59 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: TPI fro Olds?

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >Can someone tell me why there are no TPI systems available for a 350
> >Rocket, or any Olds engine (early) for that matter?  Can get them for
> >any Chevy or Ford, but no Olds.  I can get a custom system for $4500,
> >but for that, I can get a whole new engine.
>
> The problem here is the manifold; the factory never produced one for an Olds
> motor, so either one has to be adapted (from a 4-bbl or tunnel-ram casting),
> or somebody has to do the engineering and invest in the tooling to produce a
> casting, and I guess that nobody has considered this economically feasible.
> Once there was an intake casting, however, it would be simple enough to
> utilize the injection setup from another engine, including the throttle,
> injectors, computer, etc...

Caddilac built some sevilles (sp?) between `77 and `80 or so that ran
olds 350 engines with analog electronic fuel injection.  The car had a
port injection manifold, but it wasn't a *tuned* port injection
manifold.  It's a single plane manifold that is basically just a cast
hollow chamber with ports.  No runners, no obstructions, and no BS.  It
looks very much like a carbuerator manifold that has 8 fuel injectors
added and a throttle body in place of the carb.  The throttle body is
the same size as a set of secondaries on a Quadrajet, so it should flow
well.  I haven't seen any numbers or flow rates on the intake or
throttle body though.  There's some more info on the EFI system in the
FAQ.

I'm trying to put together an EFI system for the Vista Cruiser using the
Caddy manifold and an ECU from a c*maro.  If I get it to work I'll let
everyone know how I did it but don't hold your breath.  I was hoping to
get it done this summer but work, fixing the AC and other matters got in
the way.  It's now nearly october, I've got a caddy manifold and extra
fuel rail keeping dry in the trunk of the `67 cutlass, but that's it.
I'm still putting up with the wheezing 2bbl on the VC.  With the EFI i'm
hoping to get improved mileage while at the same time achieving similar
or better performance than a 4bbl.  I think Bob Valentine was working on
using the caddy manifold in an EFI system too.  Don't know how that
turned out, I haven't seen him post much to the list much lately.
Haven't seen him on the EFI list lately either.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruier
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:11:52 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Qjets

The Carbeurator (sp) Shop in Rancho Cucamonga should know.  Call info for
their number.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:19:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: last chance to Vote Olds

Sorry to take up bandwidth, but to all newcomers and old.
Tuesday and half of Wednesday is the last chance to vote
for an Olds.  Of course it being mine, I am just a little
more in favor of mine beating up on the ch*vs and f*rds and
usually M*p*rs.  So please vote for me,  (Like a politician or something)
NOT!!!    And I will find out what happens to my OLDS on
 <A HREF="http://www.myclassiccar.com/cover.html">My Classic Car Online!</A>
 thought I post another interesting section to
Oldsmobile people.     <A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~rovernut/form.html"
>Oldsmobile Contact List Addition</A> .

HEY CHRIS, WHEN YOU COMING FOR THE 69

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

GO BLUE OCT 25TH

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:25:27 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Compression test

My poor little 350 with its 230,000 miles still has160-170 lbs. per
cylinder during its last compression test (thats the lbs. per inch pushing
oil past the rings.......)

:-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:39:26 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Olds In Print

Stupid trivia here - I'm reading a biography of Led Zepplin and in trying
to 'describe' the teenagers of the late 70's at one point the author said
the parking lot at the concert had to "empty out all of its Pontiac
Cutlasses (sic - SICK) and 427 Camaro's".  I about died.

But on a better note - started a book today and on the very first page the
character's dad drives a '66 Vista Cruiser!!!!!!  Yeeeeahhhhh.  The
character went on to say that her dad loved it just slightly more then (he
loved) his wife - a man after my own heart as well.

The book will probably suck but if its got a VC in it, I'll keep it.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:46:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mark Prince's Car on My Classic Car

In a message dated 97-09-26 14:57:59 EDT, you write:

<< I also sent them a picture of my car, hope it makes it.

 I'd also like some feedback on those drag radials.  I've heard they have a
_very_ short street life.  Anything you can add to that?  I understand they
are not really designed for extended street use but hope they last a little
while provided you don't keep lighen' 'em up. 'Course, I never do that. ;)

 Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
 OCA/OCFª 7728 >>
Bob thanks for the support and I do hope your car goes online.   As for the
Drag Radials,  this is my first season and I have done alot of driving on
them.  I have driven to Lansing twice from Detroit and then once to Norwalk
and one to Mt Clemans.  total driving in miles this year so far is about 4500
miles and the radials have been to the track a total of 4 times this year and
there is plenty of tread on them yet.  I usually go through a pair of M&H's a
year, looks like I will get two out of the BFG's.

I also light the tires quite a bit when leaving a car show or gathering like
Lansing this year or local shows.

So I am going myself stick to the Radials, for the cost of 145.00 compared to
the
179.00 of my M&H's, I am going for the better deal.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:59:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Performance Q's

In a message dated 97-09-29 23:49:25 EDT, you write:

<< At 02:25 AM 9/30/97 +0000, you wrote:
 TH200-r4 the O/D tranny.  With 2:46 gears. Oh it does have true dual exhaust
 with turbo style mufflers with 2 1/4 pipe.
  >>

Ahhhh....the 200r4 with a 2.46 rear?  Lets see, that would mean a final
 drive ratio of 1.65....and of course that 200r4 would be locking up the
converter?....TIM

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:06:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: 65 Vista-Cruiser

The 65's were (are) great cars.  Your $6500 CN is about $4500-4700 US
(close?).  For a car as described in your post that seems way too high.  With
rust and non-original engine and wheels, I'd venture a guess that it should
be half that.  A nice, original, relatively rust free 67 VC was sold last
spring by an antique cars dealer in Pennsylvania for $2250!  (I missed that
one with many regrets).  Other list members may have different opinions of
its actual value, of course, and these cars *are* now quite rare.  But this
is high by any account.  My .02.

David Wilk
OCA 4517

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:27:20 -0700
From: Al Sutton <alsutton@sprint.ca>
Subject: 72 W-30 Q jet

Wondering if anyone has the correct ª's for 72 w-30 Q jet carburator for
both the Auto and 4 speed cars?

Al Sutton
B.C.,Canada
72 442 W-30 Convertible (auto)

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:10 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Compression test

>I have a '64 Dynamic 88 394 engine with a 4 barrel carb, and ran a
>compression test.  Each one responded somewhere between 110 and 130, and I
>am trying to determine if this is the norm.  Any help would be greatly
>appreciated.  I am trying to avoid a rebuild on this very "popular" engine.

Are those figures taken with the engine cold? I'd expect the warm figures to
be higher than that, but the fact that they are very close to one another is
a good sign. Even if the engine is worn, it's worn evenly. As someone else
noted, with even compression the only thing you need concern yourself with
is oil consumption and power level. If it starts burning oil badly, or the
car has a noticeable loss of power, then you need a rebuild. Other than
that, though, keep driving it and enjoying it, maintain it regularly, and
keep working toward your MBA so that you can afford the rebuild when you
*do* need it... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:18 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: `70 442 vs W-30

>could you easily put a w-30 engine into a standard 442?

The engines are externally identical. The W-30 motor's hoses would be set up
for the OAI air cleaner with two breathers, so an air cleaner from a 455
w/AT might require another hole for the extra breather. Other than that, the
hookups are identical.

Just out of curiosity, do you have an original W-30 motor that you're
installing into a non-W-30 442?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:13 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: TPI fro Olds?

>I'm looking at Jeg's right now and they've got this new thing. It's
>called VFI...Venturi Fuel Injection. It's shaped like a carb but works
>like EFI or TPI, or whatever they call fuel injection.

Well, sounds more like TBI (throttle-body injection), where the fuel is
sprayed into a common plenum (Holley has offered a setup like this for
years), and which works on any 4-bbl intake manifold, rather than a TPI
(tuned-port injection), where the fuel is sprayed into the individual
runners (and hence requires a fuel boss on each runner). The TPI is the
preferred setup.

>Only $2200! Well!
>I could just buy that with one paycheck! ;-)

Hey, me too! Of course, I only get paid once a month...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:20 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: "B" Olds Head Question

>  Ok now that thats cleared up heres the deal I found, whadda ya think?
>
>1970 455 block
>1966 425 crank/rods
>TRW L2214N 425 hi-compression forged pistons std. bore
>"B" big valve heads w/ -1
>Comp cams roller rockers
>Comp cams springs
>Comp cams .520 .520 292 292@.050
>Comp cams lifters
>Holley hi-volume fuel pump
>Mellings hi-volume oil pump
>Lakewood bellhousing
>TH400 (code BT) reverse manual valve body
>Edelbrock performer alum. intake (nice)
>Edelbrock Torker alum. intake (nice)
>Holley 750 DoublePumper
>Holley 780 DoublePumper
>
>All this is disassembled.  Engine had knock when cold which went away
>once warm.  One or more cylenders prob wore out.. Combo supposed to have
>around
>10,000 miles on it.  All this... $500

Those are all good parts. You kind of have to assume a worst-case scenario
if you can't hear the engine run: crank needs regrinding, cylinders need
boring, etc..., unless you can mic the parts and see what kind of machine
work is required. But you're definitely getting your money's worth!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:23 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Music

>.how about music
>videos???remember a lil ditty by the band Chicago...a song called.."Stay
>the Night"...the video featured a 1968 442 convertible driven by the
>most georgeous creature i have ever laid eyes on...if you ever saw it
>you would never forget it...the tires never stopped smoking for the
>whole video...lets see who knows this 1......hoagie

Who can forget that? Who here didn't scream at the TV "NO! Don't trash the
car! Give it to ME!!!" as it drove through that billboard? The nightmares
haunt me still...

Not only that, but the song s*cked compared to the good stuff from earlier
Chicago...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:36 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?

OK, ok, maybe it isn't so, but I just came across something that goes
contrary to the popular wisdom of this list. The '66-'72 Toro motors are
usually recommended as a good starting point for a performance buildup, with
their extra oil capacity, big-valve heads, decent cams, and general
high-performance nature. Well, in looking through the '70 shop manual for
something else, I happened to be looking at the section on valve sizes.
There are two listings for big-block valve sizes:

TYPE    ENGINE USAGE            PAINT   FORGED  HEAD    VALVE
                                CODE    LETTER  DIA.    FACE ANGLE

INTAKE  455 CU. IN. W-32        RED     05 A    2.072   30'
        W-33 442's                      S5 A
        TORONADO W-34

INTAKE  350 CU. IN. W-31        BLACK   07      2.000   46'
        455 CU. IN. EXC. W-33
        TORONADO EXC. W-34
        ^^^^^^^^

From the looks of things, it seems that the standard, non-W-34 Toro motor
was slated to receive the big-car's small-valve heads. Interestingly, that
same standard motor used the cam from the previous-year 325hp 400ci AT 442
motor (three orange stripe), rather than the regular big-block cam (one
green strip) that the standard Toro motor used in '69.

By contrast, the '69 manual includes all Toros with the big-valve crowd:

TYPE    ENGINE USAGE                    PAINT   FORGED  HEAD    VALVE
                                        CODE    LETTER  DIA.    FACE ANGLE

INTAKE  400 CU. IN., TORONADO           RED     05A     2.072   30'
        455 CU. IN. WITH L-32                   S5A

INTAKE  350 CU. IN. W-31 455 CU. IN.    BLACK   O3A     2.000   46'
        EXC. TORONADO OR L-32                   S3A

Who here can check their '71-'72 shop manuals for the valve sizes of
those-year Toro motors? Is it perhaps time to take the non-W-34 '70 Toro 455
off the "big-valve" list? I'd hate to see someone take a recommendation from
the FAQ to buy a non-GT '70 Toro motor to get the big-valve heads, only to
be disappointed when they opened up the motor.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:30:39 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: '68 Toro cam specs; who has a '68 shop manual?

Olds only used a few different camshafts in their 455's, and while they
don't give the complete specs in the shop manuals, they give some valve
timing duration figures along with the identifying paint stripes found
between the no. 3 and no. 4 bearing journals. I was wondering if someone
with a '68 shop manual could look at the "Camshaft Identification" table in
the V-8 engine section, and tell me which color code is listed there for the
regular 375hp Toronado 455 engine. Is it "one green stripe" like the '69, or
something else?

TIA
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:01:09 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: VFI or TBI...was Re: TPI fro Olds?

> >I'm looking at Jeg's right now and they've got this new thing. It's
> >called VFI...Venturi Fuel Injection. It's shaped like a carb but works
> >like EFI or TPI, or whatever they call fuel injection.
>

I think I've seen that VFI setup somewhere (probibly my Jegs
catalog!!). If I remember correctly, it's actually even more
carburator-like than a standard TBI system, in that it has side mounted
injectors shooting into the venturi.  Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but
did'nt Barry Grant devolpe this idea by stuffing injectors into a Holley
carb body?  I'm running on memory here, so there is a good chance I could
be wrong.  I think it's also a 4bbl TB, where most factory TBs are 2bbl.
As for for true TPI, I think the only cars/motors that got it were
GMs infamous f-bodies and the Corvette.  Tuned Port Injection uses a dry
manifold, direct port injection system, with long runners going from a
plenum into the intake ports.  The long runners of relativly small
diameter are great for making torque, but choke themselves at higher rpms.
Most of GMs cars get (got) MPFI, or Multi Port Fuel Injection or what GM
likes to simply call EFI, a generic 2bbl throttle body injection system.
. Multiport injection is basically
the same as TPI, but lacking the long runners.  Also, (again running on
memeory) TPI injectors are bank fired, where other MPFI setups (including
the LT1s) are sequencial.  Anyways, any kind of multiport is usually
better than any TBI (at least for most applications) wether it be TPI,
MPFI, MPSFI, etc. etc.

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:12:07 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Quadrabog??  Any ideas?

Hey guys!
If any of you remember the 350 I was going on about a few weeks back and
my carb setup, I've got another q for all the Q-jet experts.  When the car
is fully warmed up and at a standstill, when I mash the gas the thing bogs
for a second pretty bad, before it gets back on it's feet and goes.  When
it finally does go, it really goes.  Funny thing is, it does'nt do it when
I'm crusing and open the throttle.  Thats kind of whats got me stummped,
is the fact that it only does it on takeoff.
For thoes who don't
remember, I rebuilt this carb (came from a late '70s Caddy 425) and
rejetted it with the main jets and rods from a mid 70s (75?) Olds 350.
Acc. pump is in the same position for a 350, so I don't think thats the
problem.  Do I need to try a different power piston spring?  Any
suggestions would be apprecitaed!!

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:51:43 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Top Speed

I was wondering if someone could tell me how much limited will my top speed
be when I upgrade to a 3.73 rear from a 2.73 that is in my 307, 81 Delta 88
with the th250.  Also, if I got the overdrive, would it help much.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 307
1995 Intrepid
1976 Delta 88 455

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:03:02 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

At 10:34 PM 9/29/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Is your 1971 Olds 442 Convertable a Quadra-Jet?
>
>
>Yes

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:35:17 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: jason adcock

Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
>
> Uhh, is anybody else getting attachments from me?

I have for a long time.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:50:27 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

Sounds like you need to check out your choke for proper operation.

- ----------
> From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Carburator Question
> Date: Monday, September 29, 1997 10:14 PM
>
> When I let my car set for a few days I have to pump the gas what seems
like
> forever before it starts. No problem when it sits for a few hours. Also,
> when the car is cold it really bogs down, I really have to baby the gas
or
> it wants to die on me. Once it has warmed up it runs great. Any help
would
> be appreciated.
>
> Al Barlow
> 1971 Olds 442 convertible
> Thomaston, Maine
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:58:05 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Color codes

What does the color code "53" for a 1969 442 represent?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:38:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: new modine radiator

In a message dated 97-09-29 12:40:44 EDT, you write:

<< ins are green... :p ), but looks up something in his book and says he can
 give me a brand-new Modine unit with lifetime warranty for $132, and yes,
 it's in stock. >>


            Hey Doc,
                          Could you have the guy look up a new rad for an '80
OLDS TORONADO Diesel 350 with auto tranny and oil cooler lines? Mine is in
need of repair but if its cheap enough it would pay for me to get a new one.

                   Thanks,
                               Ed

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:34:14 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

Doesn't the type "O" diff have C-clip retention. If so a slide hammer is
unnecessary. Just a thought.

- ----------
> From: M&D Gillespie <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
> To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Rear axle seal
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 12:43 AM
>
> The seal on my right rear axle is leaking diff fluid and I need to
replace
> it. I have the new seal but would like to pull the axle without paying
$40
> to rent a slide hammer from the local parts store. It is the "O" type
axle.
> Does anyone have any tricks to getting the axle out without the special
> tool? The same applies to the seal itself. Is it easy to get out without
> using the special "puller"? What about replacing the seal? Is there any
> special advice on the correct way to seat the new seal?  It seems there
is a
> special tool required for almost every task and they are expensive to
rent
> for only a few minutes use.
> TIA
>
> Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
> 69 Cutlass S convertible
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
>
>

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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:55:26 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: RE: jason adcock

Uhh, is anybody else getting attachments from me?


YES!!!  file name of "unknown.tmp"  Are you clicking on the attach button?

I don't know what browser or e-mail software your using, but check all your
settings to find the little culprit that's attaching that file.

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:43:33 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Re: Quadrabog??  Any ideas?

Check the acc' pump. Make sure it pumps fuel at the first movement of the
throttle. There should be no slack in the linkage.

- ----------
> From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Quadrabog??  Any ideas?
> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 6:12 AM
>
>
> Hey guys!
> If any of you remember the 350 I was going on about a few weeks back and
> my carb setup, I've got another q for all the Q-jet experts.  When the
car
> is fully warmed up and at a standstill, when I mash the gas the thing
bogs
> for a second pretty bad, before it gets back on it's feet and goes.  When
> it finally does go, it really goes.  Funny thing is, it does'nt do it
when
> I'm crusing and open the throttle.  Thats kind of whats got me stummped,
> is the fact that it only does it on takeoff.
> For thoes who don't
> remember, I rebuilt this carb (came from a late '70s Caddy 425) and
> rejetted it with the main jets and rods from a mid 70s (75?) Olds 350.
> Acc. pump is in the same position for a 350, so I don't think thats the
> problem.  Do I need to try a different power piston spring?  Any
> suggestions would be apprecitaed!!
>
> Scott
> 1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:49:53 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: last chance to Vote Olds

With all this advertising, I do hope you win. My 2 votes are in. Good
luck. If you win Mark, you owe all of us a ride! Me first...

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: WMACHINES@aol.com[SMTP:WMACHINES@aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 1997 12:19 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> Subject: last chance to Vote Olds
>
> Sorry to take up bandwidth, but to all newcomers and old.
> Tuesday and half of Wednesday is the last chance to vote
> for an Olds.  Of course it being mine, I am just a little
> more in favor of mine beating up on the ch*vs and f*rds and
> usually M*p*rs.  So please vote for me,  (Like a politician or
> something)
> NOT!!!    And I will find out what happens to my OLDS on
>  <A HREF="http://www.myclassiccar.com/cover.html">My Classic Car
> Online!</A>
>  thought I post another interesting section to
> Oldsmobile people.     <A
> HREF="http://members.tripod.com/~rovernut/form.html"
> >Oldsmobile Contact List Addition</A> .
>
> HEY CHRIS, WHEN YOU COMING FOR THE 69
>
> W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
> 72 442 W-30
>
> GO BLUE OCT 25TH
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:48:22 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Color codes

On Tuesday, September 30, 1997 6:58 AM, mrada
[SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net] wrote:
> What does the color code "53" for a 1969 442 represent?
>
> Chris Sparks

The 69 and 70 Olds ª 53 is Nugget Gold.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:49:12 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: RE: jason adcock

At 08:53 PM 9/29/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Uhh, is anybody else getting attachments from me?
> Jason Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu
> http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

Yup, every single message has an attachment! I opened the first few, and
the contents of the attachments were the same as the contents of the
message. I'm not familiar with Outlook, so I can't even hazard a guess as
to what might be causing the problem. However, I can say Eudora Pro 3.0
will automatically detach the attachment and delete it when the message is
deleted.

Ray

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