
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, October 7 1997       Volume 01 : Number 890



Re: The list people and their cars
z
RE: W-25
Re: list of people and cars
Re: Exhaust Manifold
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: Y'all can stop now.
Re: radio install
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Re: W-25
Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions
Oil Pressure sender location
Re: The list people and their cars
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Re: 69 Conv parts cars $700
RE: list of people and cars
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Re: NEED 69 S convert peak trim rear qtr driver side
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Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...
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Hershey
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The list people and their cars
Re: Small block ex port size;  Was RE: _____
Re: list people and cars
Re: Optimum shift points for Drag Racing
Re: list of people and cars
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Hey Neighbor....  (Re: The list people and their cars)
Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...
Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...
RE: List People and Their Cars
'84 Cutlass drag car
Fuel economy and Carburators
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71 Cutlass console shift cable
list and their cars
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Re[2]: W-25
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Re: Re: optimum shift points for Drag Racing
Re: The List People and Their Cars
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RE: Generator to Alternator swap
RE: Installed HEI
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W-codes
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Re: Mr Personality
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Re: Can i replace a gas tank myself??
The list people and their cars
RE: Aurora V8 Bellhousing
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RE: Junkyard '78 Delta Royale
RE: olds FI
Name for list
8-Track Players
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Re: Fan Clutches.
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Original 1971 manuals for sale

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:06:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

In a message dated 97-10-07 00:25:20 EDT, you write:

<< Fix Or Repair Daily
 Found On Road Dead
 F**ked Over Rusted Dodge
 F**ked On Race Day
 F**k, Our Ride Died
 
 Spell it backwards, you get Driver Returns On Foot!
  >>


     Also   "Found on Russian Dump"

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: z

   If anyone cares, last nights New York Daily Number was 4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: W-25

Dr. Robert Barry wrote

<W-25, like the other "W"'s, has meant a lot of things over the years; this
<is one of them, and I believe the only time you'll get an exterior badge
<designating the fact that the car is equipped with that option.
<_______________________________________________________
<Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
<Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Not quite right Doc.  My W41 Calais has silver W41 decals on the front
fenders.

Cecil Smalley
1991 W41
OCA #29604

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:18:58 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Mike Blankenship
Georgia

66 442   (4spd, a/c, no pwr str or brake,my current favorite)
70 442   (W25, dual gate, Burgandy Mist)
70 442   (W30, 3.90 W27, Sebring Yellow)
71 442   (Convt, W25, dual gate, saturn Gold)
71 Cut S (455, This was my Fathers Oldsmobile)
87 Salon (307, 165K, T-tops)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:33:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold

In a message S. Dave Ward wrote:

<< Always drive with the windows down, and never stop for longer than the
 average stoplight...other than an inconvenience, I wouldn't worry about
 the safety aspect.
  >>


       That is the most rediculous thing I have ever heard!!!! Carbon
Monoxide is not an inconvenience, it is a killer.  DUH!!!   Considering there
are 3 or 4 months of winter coming up it would be hard to have the windows
down in 0 and lower temp. weather.You may choose to ignore the safety aspect
but I will keep looking for a replacement manifold!

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:35:26 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Brad Otto
California
'69 442 Convertible, 4-speed, 3.91 posi
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Y'all can stop now.

Hey Tom!
    Didn't I just read that the state of Michigan, in all it's philosophical
and moral glory, has passed a law which makes it illegal to commit suicide in
a hotel/motel etc. I  know I wouldn't for fear of the penalty!
                                                                 Ron Forsee
65 442-Meister
                                                                 Centennial
#110


P.S. Does the afterworld honor extradition laws?
                                                  

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:46:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: fred@sol1.lrsm.upenn.edu (Fred Hellmig)
Subject: Re: radio install

Doug
I have a 70 service manual which show the brackets I could xerox that for 
you.
Fred

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:00:21 +0000
From: "Rick" <richardc@equitrac.com>
Subject: Re: list people and cars

Rick Copithorne Massachusettes 

64 Olds F85 B-09 442
71 Olds Cutlass 
 1964 Olds 442 350 Rocket 

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:04:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Ron Forsee      Ohio
65 442

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:07:26 -0400
From: Jay Britt <jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Jay Britt
Virginia Beach, VA
89 Cutlass Calais SL
67 Cutlass Supreme (work in progress)


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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:09:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

'79 Cutlass S - street machine 455

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
 
  

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:21:13 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: list people and cars

Mark Cornea wrote:
> 
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>           Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)
> 
>           Livonia,  MI
> 
>                         1970 W30 4-speed (red)
>                         1996 F-250 Crew cab Diesel (red)
>                         1997 Expedition (white)
> 
>             OCA# 4903
>             OPC# 14
>        ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:23:00 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Terry Teague
North Carolina
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:18:37 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-25

> Not quite right Doc.  My W41 Calais has silver W41 decals on the front
> fenders.

Sorry Cecil, he's right.  I'll just assume that you misunderstood his
statement.  If the car came with a badge "W-?", regardless, it was
equipped with that option.  For instance, a 69 442 with the W-32 option
has a "W-32" on top of the front side marker lamps.  But a 70 Cutlass
with a W-26 dual gate does not have a "W-26" badge on it.  So you are
saying that all 91 Calais were W41?  Didn't think so.  If you look on
your "option" list, I'll bet a dime to a donut that W41 is on there.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:01:51 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: PLEASE!! Need Advice On Ignitions

>> I have decided to replace my ignition system in my Cutlass. I want to
>> know your opinions on the best ignitions. MSD? Accel? Holley? HEI?
>> Wires? Distributors? I know nothing!!!

HEI.
 
>> What I am looking for is what I can get the most power out of without
>> burning something up. I'm going for a total engine rebuild and balancing
>> on my stock '73 350 this winter. I am going to have a GK cam 288°/.470
>> lift, ported and polished #6 heads with 2.07/1.71 valves and new
>> valvetrain, Performer RPM Intake
>                        ---
>Just an observation, the Performer RPM is for higher revving engines
>than the standard Performer.  With the RPM you ~will~ loose some of the
>torque that Olds engines are known for.  So, if you're going for a
>stoplight racer, be careful.  If on the other hand you're going for a
>highway screamer, go for it.

In addition, that cam might be a bit too mild for that setup. Remember, the
W-31 only used 2.00" intakes on those #6 heads, but a 308' cam with a bit
more lift than that one. If you're going to be building a 6500rpm motor
with those valves and that intake, you'll want to match the cam to those
specs. You'll also need to swap to a 3.73 or 4.11 gear to really enjoy that
engine at anything below extra-legal highway speeds.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:32:37 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Oil Pressure sender location

>  MARC, I HAVE A 1989 OLDS WAGON WITH A 307
>ENGINE - CAN YOU USE YOUR RESOURCES TO FIND
>OUT WHERE THE OIL PRESSURE SENDING UNIT IS
>LOCATED ON THIS   ENGINE?
>
>Can anyone help?

It's in the standard Olds V-8 oil pressure sender location, at the top
front of the engine, behind the water pump, in front of the intake
manifold, on the driver's side of the engine opposite the oil fill tube. It
points straight up.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:07:19 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.

Bob Barry (Dr. Bob, if you need to use titles...)
Providence, Rhode Island (a small county masquerading as a state)

1969 Oldsmobile Toronado, 455 4-bbl (what else?), TH425, Dual exhaust,
Green/green/green, family cruising car

1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme SX, 455 4-bbl (from a '68 Toro), TH400,
Dual exhaust, yellow-primer-rust/black-gold-green interior, daughter calls
it the "race car"

1978 Buick Electra Limited Coupe, 409ci 4-bbl Olds small-block, TH400, True
dual exhaust, brown/beige landau top/beige interior, daily driver and
long-trip duty

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:52:36 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

At 07:11 PM 10/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
>
>People                                        State
>                                        Car or Cars 
>Jim                                               IL
>                                     1970 Cutlass W31
>
>
>Al Barlow					Maine
					   1971 442 convertible

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:04:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: U8mymeat@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Conv parts cars $700

any peak or eyebrow trim left on that 69 convert

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:05:29 -0600
From: Dave Orth <dave@profitsystems.net>
Subject: RE: list of people and cars

Dave Orth
Peyton, Colorado

'84 Hurst/Olds (163k, soon to be emissions legal 350ci., then new paint)
'65 Mustang Coupe (wife's baby, 289 3 spd( 5spd going in this spring)
'96 Jeep Cherokee (Setup for off-road)
Had a '72 442 that ran a best of 12.66 in the 1/4, but sold it, like an idiot!

Is there anyone else on the list in this area?

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:03:53 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Is somebody compiling these responses into a list?  See below for mine.
. .
- --
Tom Lentz, tlentz@ior.com                          '84 Hurst/Olds
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz                         '78 Cutlass Supreme
Network Admin, CPM Corp, Spokane, WA.              '78 Chev 1/2ton (Olds
350)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:15:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: U8mymeat@aol.com
Subject: Re: NEED 69 S convert peak trim rear qtr driver side

reply to U8mymeat@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:27:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

   steven                     okla.



































                                                                           70
rallye 350


































                                                                           70
w-31









































                                                                           71
442











































                                                                           71
w-30 conv.

































                                                                        parts
cars:    70 vista,72 vista,69 cutlass-s (post),69 cutlass-s (post),
                            70 cutlass-s,71 cutlass-s,70 442,   more coming.
      

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:26:47 -0400
From: "Cowan" <cowancom@pipeline.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

 

Tim & Donna

   Tampa           1992 Cutlass Conv.
                           1997 GMC Sonoma 
                              {.89g handling pkge,blown 4.3 ,250hp}

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:30:45 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Mike Krumwiede
Ridott, IL
1975 Olds 98 Regency
1977 Olds Cutlass
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale

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Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:24:50 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

F**king Owner Really Dumb
F**ked Over Rebuilt Dodge


> In a message dated 97-10-07 00:25:20 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Fix Or Repair Daily
>  Found On Road Dead
>  F**ked Over Rusted Dodge
>  F**ked On Race Day
>  F**k, Our Ride Died
>  
>  Spell it backwards, you get Driver Returns On Foot!
>   >>
> 
> 
>      Also   "Found on Russian Dump"
> 
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Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
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"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:14:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re: List People and Their Cars

Bob and Cheryl Handren
Oviedo, FL

'67 442 W-30 Modified
'70 Cutlass SX Convertible
'90 Jeep Cherokee
'80 4 door Buick Century 
'87 Allegro Motor Home with C*evy 454/TH400
'87 RoadRite Car Trailer (I guess that ain't a car)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 11:15:14 -0500
From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Jeremy Enos, IL

76 Olds 98 LS, 455, banana yellow, yellow interior, 160000 mi. (retired due to
body deterioration, (sniff) but still running great and reliably)

77 Olds 98 Regency, 403, beige, black interior 97000 mi., nice body and
perfect interior. (my *new* one!)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:26:16 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...

Lloyd Ferguson wrote:
 
> Has anyone had any first hand experience with the various material types to
> help me make a final determination.

Lloyd, I bought PST's polygraaphite bushings for the front of my 84 CS. 
I've read that the rubber ones are too loose and the polyurethane ones are
too rough--they'll bend the suspension parts too much.  I love the kit I
put on my car.  It just runs straight as a arrow on the highway and
tightened the car up more than I could've imagined.  Mine has t-tops, so
the car felt loose overall, with the absence of a soid roof, so I figured
that a stiffer suspension would make matters worse.  Well it didn't make it
worse, it only made it better.  The car feels as solid as a Mercedes
rolling down the road, and that's a lot to say for an early eighties GM
car.  Can you tell I love it?  Again, my vote's ~POLYGRAPHITE~

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:28:07 -0400
From: Thomas Lindsay <tlindsay@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

There are three olds owners here...  Clive, Ade, and Tom Lindsay in
Idaho.

My Dad (Clive)	59 Olds 2-dr
		68 4-4-2 Convertible (being fixed.)
		72 Ford P/U (to haul the 5th wheel)
		92 Dodge Spirit (the economy car...)

My brother (Ade)72 4-4-2 (built 455 & loads of fun - 11 sec. sunny day
driver)
		70 Olds Cutlass (Street-pro)
		68 Olds Starfire
		84 Ford Escort (the economy car...)

and mine (Tom)	68 Olds Delta 98 (being rebuilt as we speak..)
		87 Dodge Conversion Van (mom mobile)
		91 Geo Storm (mom's Toy)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:28:44 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Charley Buehner wrote:

> Oh man.  Is ~this~ gonna be tough.

< Really huge list of cool cars snipped >

You could see THAT coming from a mile away!

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:33:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: The List People and Their Cars

Everett Horton  OCA# 1961
Rumford, R.I.

1961 Olds  Starfire Conv
1971 Cutlass Supreme Conv
1971 Vista Cruiser
1972 Toronado
1972 Supreme Coupe 3 speed on column
1989 Touring Sedan
1992 Supreme Conv
1990 S10 p/u  (Bravada wanabe)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:34:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Hershey

Signing off while I go to Hershey see you in a week

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:32:54 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
95 Maxima
97 Jeep Grand Cherokee
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:43:52 -0400
From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Subject: The list people and their cars

Joanne Beausoleil
NH
86 Olds Cutlass Supreme Coupe (135k miles,  winter car)
88 Chevy Corvette 35th Anniversary edition (40k miles, summer car)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:51:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Small block ex port size;  Was RE: _____

In a message dated 97-10-05 22:45:40 EDT, you write:

<< 
 You may want to use the 350 exhaust manifolds
 > instead
 > of the 307's. They may have bigger ports.
 
 Does anyone have any substantial evidence for this?  I seem to remember
 my 260 manifolds being identical to the 403's.  And still larger than
 the exhaust ports.  Were the 307's actually smaller, or has this only
 been an assumption?  Just curious...
 -- 
     
              Charley Buehner  >>

Uhh.... yes, the 307 manifolds have smaller ports than the 350's (or just
about any of the smallblocks since they were all the same (just about).
 There is a person who didn't believe me on this (AHEM...   Paging Tom
Martin...), and after looking at the 30, then at the other smallblock
manifolds, he "realized his errant ways", and picked up a set from me (to go
with the motor I sold him, so how is that car running Tom?:).  The manifolds
he had looked like "logs" with ports welded onto them, I'm not sure if there
are 2 types of manifolds (maybe the plain smallblock manifolds for the
"better" 307 motor?...), but they were pretty restrictive, and were'nt layed
out real well....

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:05:16 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: list people and cars

> Paul Brillhart   Chicago

   1965 442, 4-spd., 400, 3:55 posi

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:25:19 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: Optimum shift points for Drag Racing

Josh J. Haviland wrote:
> 
> Reply to message from Jeff.Easton@abbott.com of Mon, 06 Oct
> >
> >As many of you know, Last year I took my 442 to the track
> >for the first time (me and the car :-), and pretty much
> >waxed the 6 speed Mustang my friend had.  Well, he's spent
> >most of the summer doing "upgrades" to his 'stang and has
> >challenged me to a rematch.  So this Sunday we are
> >headed to Union Grove for another round.  Also  tagging
> >along is my brother w/ his '71 GS and a couple of friends
> >who are driving an '86 T-type and '94 Z-28.
> >
> >Its looks pretty grim for the 442 this year. The one
> >thing I have done is buy a cheapie tach.  It seems to
> >be working fine, but it brings up the question of
> >shift points.
> >
> >Any of you racers have a philosophy for shifing a
> >manual trans car?  What RPM's should I be hitting?
> >ie. whats the peak HP and torque curve for this 455?
> >
> >Keep in mind this is a stock 442 4-speed w/ the
> >close ratio M-21 box and a 3.42 posi out back.
> >
> >-Jeff Easton
> >jeff.easton@abbott.com
> >
> >1970 442  4-speed
> >Grayslake, ILL
> >
> >
>    Hi, i'm not to experienced with racing manuals, but I do agree the
> mustang crowd out my way is pretty annoying :), but the method i use is to
> drive or race the car and see how many rpm's it drops in a shift, such as
> shifting at 5000 into second and when it hits the next gear it drops to
> 4700, that makes a 300 rpm drop, therefore, i shift 300 rpm over max HP,
> you want to keep the car as close to the rpm your car makes it's maximum
> horsepower as possible from my understanding, ever notice how pro street
> cars don't have much of an rpm change throuought the whole run?, hope this
> is helpfull and good luck!
> 
> --
> __/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
>   \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
> =================================================================


Actually, from what I understand, you want to shift AT your max HP
point.  When you shift, you will drop in RPM, down near your max torque
point.  This way, you have the torque to pull your car, and the HP to
gain acceleration.
Brad
70 442

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:22:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

Chris Ruper
1981 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (w/455)
Rockton, Illinois

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:24:04 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

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>People                                        State
>                                        Car or Cars 
>Jim                                               IL
>                                     1970 Cutlass W31
>
>
OK, since some people are listing other makes, and others previously
owned cars, here's both for me...

Brent Pinkstaff
Falls Church,VA

Currently owned:
1970 Olds Cutlass S (my driver and baby)
1970 Pont Lemans Sport 2dr post (going to be replica of 1st car)
1985 Pont GP V6
               - Please come get these 2 ($531 for the pair)   
1986 Pont GP V8
1989 Lincoln Town Car

Used to have:
1957 Pont Chieftan 2dr hardtop
1963 Pont Catalina 2dr post (lived in this one)
1965 Pont Catalina 4dr
1965 Pont Bonneville 4dr
1970 Pont GP SJ
1970 Pont GTO
1970 Pont GTO Judge convert (1 of 168)
1970 Pont Lemans Sport 2dr hardtop
1970 Pont Lemans Sport 2dr post (1st car)
1970 Pont Lemans Sport 4dr hardtop
1970 Pont Lemans Sport convert
1971 Pont Trans Am (2)
1971 1/2 Pont GT-37 (1 of 109)
1972 Pont Lemans 2dr hardtop
1972 Pont Lemans 2dr post (named 'Fugly')
1974 Pont Grand Am 2dr
1976 Pont Catalina 4dr

1982 Olds Cutlass (Pont 455, $100 car, bought for motor, sorry!)
1972 Datsun 240Z (body for next car)
1973 Datsun 240Z ($10 driver, 3500miles on 1st body, 3000 on next)
1974 Porsche 914 (JUNK,JUNK,JUNK,JUNK,JUNK,JUNK,!!!! hell it was free)
1982 Buick Skylark (free, gave away)
1983 Buick Century (free, traded for a Lemans)

I think that might be it.
Anyone want my motorcycle list?!?!?!?!?

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Geo679@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

we have an 86 pontiac parisienne with an olds 307 in it. 
also have an olds cutlass supreme '71rag top with a rocket 350

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:40:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Hey Neighbor....  (Re: The list people and their cars)

In a message dated 97-10-07 13:18:59 EDT, you write:

<< 
 Mike Krumwiede
 Ridott, IL
 1975 Olds 98 Regency
 1977 Olds Cutlass
 1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale
 
 -------------------------------------------------------
 Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
 Highland Community College
 Phone (815) 235-6121
 Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
 -------------------------------------------------------
 "Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"
  >>

Wow, another close one...   You're not too far from a few of us, I live in
Rockton, just North of Rockford.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:43:32 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...

>I have almost decided to completely rebuild the front and rear suspension
>in my '69 Cutlass Convertible.  I intend to use the car as a daily driver
>and do not really need a "high performance" suspension.
>
>It seems that every article or catalog I read has a different opinion on
>the relative merits of the various bushing materials as far as ride
>harhness, squeeks, etc. are concerned.  By shopping around there does not
>seem be a great difference in the overall price no matter which system I
>buy.  Needless to say, it has all left me very confused.
>
>Has anyone had any first hand experience with the various material types to
>help me make a final determination.
>
>Lloyd Ferguson
>cutlass69@usa.net

What do you mean by "shop around"?

You may be getting prices from different places for the SAME parts. Most
places sell Energy Suspensions Polyurethane or PolyGraphite bushings. The
first can be bought in different colors, the second ONLY come in black.

OEM Bushing Pro's - Cheap, Easy to find, Mechanics know what to
order/install, the ride is "stock".

OEM Bushing Con's - Any type of weather wears them, "deflection" causes
problems as they wear. Any other components that are upgraded (springs,
shocks, etc.), cause the bushings to "deflect" more.

Poly Bushing Pro's - Highly resistant to weather, salt, chemicals, etc.
Deflect very little. Come in colors!!! Polygraphite bushings are
self-lubricating (quit snickering ;-) because they impregnate them with
graphite (Down Beavis! Down!).

Poly Bushing Con's - More expensive than OEM, rumored to squeak (mine
don't). May cause weak/old control arms to flex (had mine boxed to make
sure).

When rebuilding my rear suspension, I opted for the PolyGraphite bushings,
new OEM springs, and air bags. I put Gabriel gas shocks on, but need a
better shock (like KYB). This is a '65 98 and is a daily driver. My ONLY
regret is that I am now having trouble getting Energy Suspension to sell me
a kit for the front end (this is not a problem for the Cutlass/442 crowd).

It has been 10 months since I rebuilt the rear suspension and the only
squeaks I have are from the FRONT END...


Hope this helps...


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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 09:45:40 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: Suspension Parts, Rubber vs. Polyurethane vs. Polygraphite vs. ...

[SNIP]

>dollars on research on.  They work.  I've had polys, and they definitely
>enhance handling, but do ride a little rougher.  Plus, I ended up having
>to replace them in about 4 years.  So guess what I went back to......
>
>Mike Rothe

[SNIP]

Mike,

What happened that you had to replace them? Who made them? I WAS HOPING
THAT MINE WOULD LAST LONGER THAN OEM RUBBER!!! (sorry for screaming...)


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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:50:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Subject: RE: List People and Their Cars

Clayton Pierce
Johnson City, Tennessee
1984 Cutlass Supreme
     (350, 4bbl, TH375(built), 2.41:1 nonposi, 75k miles original floor
     shifter and buckets name=Lucille)


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com


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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:04:16 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: '84 Cutlass drag car

For sale in a local paper:

'84 Cutlass race project car. 8 pt roll bar tig welded in, jaz seat,
rebuilt front suspension, big block c***y mounts welded in. Needs motor,
trans and body work to finish. Delivery possible. $1200 or best.

350 Buick motor from early 1970's [ I didn't ask -db]. Runs good.
complete intake to oil pan, solid cam, roller rockers, alum intake and
rocker covers, headers, flex plat, water pump, starter, distributor
included. $600 or best. 

Both are available from Mark at 630-879-6762. Monday, Tuesday and
Thursday evenings are the best times to call. I can arrange to take a
look at these items if anyone is interested.

I have no interest in these items. Well, I might get to opportunity to
help out as part of the pit crew.
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:57:50 -0500
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@mailhost.rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Fuel economy and Carburators

Lately I've been wondering what others are gettin for fuel mileage from
their 442s.  I've got a 70 442 with the W-30 cam, TH400 and I belive
3.23 gears.  I get between 10 and 11 miles to the gallon.  I have
expected to get at least 14 MPG.  I used to get 16 in a '76 98 with a
455, and that was a big car.

Since my car appears to be running rich, I'm hoping I can squeeze a
couple more MPG out of my car with a caburator rebuild.  When following
my car there is a smell of fuel.  Also there is some black smoke from
the exhaust during exceleration.  Can somone point me to a rebuild kit
with the correct jets and rods for a 70 442.   If I go to auto-zone they
don't list a '70 442, only a Cutlass.

	Thanks for any input.

	mike

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:09:03 -0700
From: Darrin Johnson <xdarrinj@ti.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Darrin Johnson
Wylie, TX  

1972 Cutlass Convertible (purchased as a wreck - collecting parts to rebuild)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 14:09:18 EDT
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: 71 Cutlass console shift cable

I'm working on a buddy's 71 Cutlass S.  He has a stock console auto
shifter and a th350 that he got out of a column shift car.  He
has no linkage or cables or anything to hook it up, and I'd like to know
where to start.  the shifter is there, and on the drivers side is a pin that
looks like the connection point for the shift cable (or rod, or however
it is operated), the pin has a hole that looks like a cotter pin hole.

what parts do I need?  how is the th350 shifted (cable?) ? how does the
cable mount on the tranny?  do I need a special shift lever on the th350
for a console shift?

Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass 
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart 
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:30:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: list and their cars

Doug Harkema
Holt, MI
1970 CS conv't

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:58:38 -0400
From: "Paul L. Fikaris" <fikaris@en.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> 
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC
order.


Paul L. Fikaris
Mayfield Hts., OH (Greater Cleveland)
Fikaris@en.com

1969 Delta 88 Convertible 455, 20K original miles
Topaz, beige interior and top.

GO TRIBE!

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:25:11 -0700
From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Dan Lacey

1965 98


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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 13:16:08 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: W-25

Mike Rothe wrote:

..If the car came with a badge "W-?", regardless, it was equipped with 
that option....

     I'm not sure I fully understood your comment, Mike, but I think you're 
     saying that if the car came with a W-xx badge or decal, that it was 
     thus equipped.  I think this came apart in the mid-late 70s, as I 
     don't think that the W-25/W-30 decals on the 74-75 H/Os actually 
     referred to a W-code on the order sheet.  I also doubt that the W-30 
     decals on the 350-powered 80 442 referred to the engine or option 
     package...or am I wrong (I'll be the first to admit that for me, Olds 
     stopped making cars after 1972...so as a result, I'm not as "up" on 
     the intricacies of the later cars).
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:26:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R. Coons" <rcoons@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.

Greg Coons
Federal Way, Washington

1972 Cutlass Supreme
1972 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:27:48 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Re: optimum shift points for Drag Racing

> Actually, from what I understand, you want to shift AT your max HP    > point.  When you shift, you will drop in RPM, down near your max > torque point.  This way, you have the torque to pull your car, and the > HP to gain acceleration.                                                              
> Brad                                                                  > 70 442

Not quite.  The rpm drop has nothing to do with horsepower or torque. 
It all has to do with gear ratios in the transmission.  Yes, if you
shift near max HP you will be nearer the max torque in the next gear,
but how near depends upon ratio spacing.  The basic rule of thumb is,
the more gears you have the more continuous and uninterupted the
powerband will be.  Three speed transmissions have approximately the
same difference from 1st to 3rd as a four speed does from 1st to 4th. 
The difference being the four speed will have two smaller "steps" to get
into high while the three speed has one large "step".  The 4 speeds we
use were designed to take advantage of the engines powerband for
performance.  The 5 and 6 speeds are capable of keeping the weenie
engines in lesser makes at their peak better than the 4 speeds that we
all know and love.  When Drag Racing you need to shift at or near max
HP.  Max torque is usualy somewhere near the normal driving rpms and it
would take a significant change in RPMs and gearing to go from peak HP
to peak torque in one shift.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
Real race cars have 4 speeds!

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:43:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Subject: Re: The List People and Their Cars

Mark Heiser
1971 Olds Cutlass S
Ft. Sheridan, IL

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:01:44 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
> 
Dustin Cross        Missoula Montana

PROJECTS
'29 model A truck (complete! someday restored)
'49 chev pu  (stock)
'51 chev pu  (someday to have 455)
'53 chev pu  ("slightly" modified)
'68 olds wagon (350-4, auto, posi) (dealing on a 455 for it)
'72 buick skylark (350-4, auto)  my favorite....
'78 ch*vy blazer  (for sale $1,500)
'80 ch*vy pu (for pullin trailers)
'89 olds CS (in shop getting new tranny and new paint)
- -misc. m-cycles, 3 wheelers ect.

PARTS
'53 gmc truck (and a couple extra cabs)
'70 buick skylark
'70 olds 98 (soon, I hope)
'84 gmc pu

JUNK I GOT THAT I DONT WANT
'81 ford futura
'82 ford futura  (both abandoned in my 'yard)  (BOTH FREE TO A BAD HOME!)
'78 toyota celica (for sale $500 complete except windows)

whew, there went the day   I think I got most of them

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:17:41 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Generator to Alternator swap

I am trying to find the proper information to remove the generator on my
1961 Olds Dynamic 88 and replace with a alternator with a self exciting
regulator.  
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Please send a summary of this information to the list. It will find it's
way into the FAQ as well.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:19:50 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Installed HEI

I just got done installing the HEI distributor I bought at Carlisle
yesterday.  Took about 2 hours (took a half hour just to get the old one
out!) to replace it, make the plug wires and set the timing.  

Went done the road to do a burnout, what a difference!  Before I could
lay rubber until about 30mph and get a good 1-2 second chirp when I
shifted into 2nd.  Now it layed rubber to 60mph!  The car runs smoother,
takes off better and ~really~ runs like a bat out of hell when I punch
at 80mph.  Take my advice, get an HEI.

BTW, I did NOT have to dent my aircleaner.  The Accel super coil has a
lip that extends over the plug wire on the distributor that was in the
way.  I simply pulled out the Dremel, cut it off and the OAI airclener
base ~just~ fits.

- -- 
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71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
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Wow! Now that's a testimonial! Got to include that in the FAQ!

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:20:49 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.
> 
> People                                        State
>                                         Car or Cars
> Jim                                               IL
>                                      1970 Cutlass W31
Matt Cremean

Meeechegan

1983 Ch*vr*l*t Caprice Classic (aka The Blue Taxi)
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 16:21:22 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

     OK, since you asked:
     
     Joe Padavano
     Clifton, VA (25 mi west of DC)
     
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442 convert 
     
     Currently stripped to a bare shell in the process of a body-off 
     restification.  Power windows, power seat, tilt wheel, buckets, 
     console.  Have a 455 with tripower, 4 spd, original side-mount tach 
     all waiting to go in.  Also plan to install four wheel disc brakes (12 
     inch fronts with Global West A-arms).  Car was originally gold with 
     white top and white interior - will be painted Arrest-Me Red.
     
     68 442 W-30
     
     Found this one in a field in So Cal.  Seller had already removed the 
     original engine and 4spd to install in his 56 Ford F-100.  
     Fortunately, I managed to talk him out of this insanity and got the 
     complete car.  Complete numbers-matching car, very rough.  Car has 
     27,000 original miles, apparently all applied 1/4 mile at a time.  
     4.33 posi, correct D-head 400, PW, PSeat, tilt, Rally Pac, UHV 
     ignition, manual drum brakes (ugh!).  Only thing missing was the 
     O.A.I. air cleaner, which I found a few months after I bought the car. 
      Originally two-tone (white lower, black roof) with red rally stripes 
     (ugh!).  White interior.  Plan to paint it blue like my first 442.
     
     69 H/O
     
     Dash plaque number 180, originally built for a Jerry Felson.  Also 
     rough.  Short block had been replaced when I bought the car (in 
     beautiful downtown Burbank) and had a rod knock.  While driving the 
     car home to Hermosa Beach, the rod in question decided to exit the 
     block on the 405 near Mulholland Drive on a Labor Day weekend.  Did a 
     good job of oiling down the freeway, too.  Block was junk (piston hit 
     the head and cracked the cylinder), but the D-heads are still good.  
     Car was missing the air cleaner, intake, carb, mirrors, and exhaust 
     manifolds; I've since obtained all these parts, as well as another 
     shortblock.  3.90 posi, manual windows and seats, no A/C (basically, a 
     stripper H/O).  Currently have a 350/TH350 installed to move the car 
     around.
     
     70 442 W-30
     
     Sebring Yellow with black stripes, bucket interior, and vinyl top (the 
     latter to be removed).  4 spd, currently with a 66 400 motor (I bought 
     the car this way).  Also, the previous owner blew up the 3.42 posi and 
     installed a 3.08 posi instead.  PS, PDB, Rally Pack, console, wing, 
     manual windows, no A/C.  Usual rust, but N.O.S. front fenders are in 
     the basement, sharing space with a 70 W-30 motor (F-heads and all), 
     headliner kit, and upholstery kit.  Only problem is that the manifold 
     is a 71-72 "OLDS" unit (anybody want to trade for a 70?).  Currently a 
     daily driver.
     
     85 Ch*vy K30 4x4 Crewcab Dually
     
     The parts chaser/tow vehicle.  Original 454 has 170K miles on it, plan 
     to install a 455 Olds instead (so I can drive it in public and not 
     have to wear the funny nose and glasses disguise).
     
     92 Buick Regal Gran Sport
     
     The wife's car.  Black w/grey leather interior, 3.8 liter mounted the 
     wrong way driving the wrong wheels.  Oh well...

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 15:32:04 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: W-codes

     Doesn't the FAQ have a pretty comprehensive list of all the W-codes?  
     It seems to me that we've missed quite a few, like the W-32, W-33, 
     W-34, W-37 (dual-plate clutch), W-42 and W-43 (paint stripe options on 
     69s).
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:35:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Chiming in...

Greg Beaulieu
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

'68 Olds Cutlass S Holiday Coupe 350 4-bbl/Jetaway, 44,000 miles (the toy)
'78 Delta 88 sedan, 350/TH350, 66,000 miles (the grocery-getter)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:45:22 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Mr Personality

Any experience with Dave Smith Engineering?
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:40:01 -0400
From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Cliff McFarlane 	Tottenham, Ontario, Canada

1962 98 4-dr (parts)
1962 Starfire 2-dr coupe (parts)
1962 Starfire conv (being restored)
1963 Starfire conv (future restoration project)
1963 Starfire coupe (future restoration project)
1963 Starfire coupe (restored)
1963 Super 88 (parts)
1957 Ford Fairlane 500 Conv (restored)
1988 Chev Silverado pick-up (daily driver)
1990 Dodge Spirit (daily driver)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:59:16 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Can i replace a gas tank myself??

Anything over 5 gallons is a real pain. When that gas get sloshing
around right after you have the tank loose and you try to steady it.
Maybe it wasn't the safest thing to do, but I used a sharp awl to poke a
hole in the lower corner of the tank to drain it. I believe I poked into
an area of gas, not into an area of vapor. Wrap a rag around the end to
keep the gas off your hands, and tap gently.

My replacement tank was pretty much bare steel. Might want to give it a
couple of coats of paint and then some undercoating. Same with the
straps. 

The replacement tank will be a breeze to install, after all, it's empty!
If the straps are difficult to get into place and retain the tank, you
might have the wrong tank. $120 isn't bad. Does that include the filler
neck? I was told that is always extra.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:51:27 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: The list people and their cars

Chris Fair

1966 98 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:01:51 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Aurora V8 Bellhousing

Anybody know what bellhousing pattern the Aurora V8 uses.  It it the
small GM pattern found on FWD cars?

Gary
- ----------
I got a couple of casting numbers off the Aurora engine on display at
the "Future of Olds" exhibit at the Centennial. Anyone have more?
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:03:26 -0500 (EST)
From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Joe Ferrero  (western New York state)

1947 olds 2-dr fast back
     DYNAMIC 76
1948 olds 4 dr sedan
	DYNAMIC 66
1970 ch*vy Nova
	(2-dr)
1976 Buick electra
	(limited)
1979 jeep c-j

1981 olds cutlass
	4-dr
1991 plymouth acclaim (as an every day driver)

not bad for 23 yr. old, huh?

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:22:00 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Junkyard '78 Delta Royale

and most remarkably, the headliner and sunvisors -- the infamous 
fuzzy cloth that separates from the foam backing -- were absolutely
mint, 
with no separation at all. Wonder if color had something to do with it? 

Greg Beaulieu
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Greg,
My '77 had this problem until I ran across some visors that were made
out of a heavier fabric. Looks something like a celled foam. Passenger
one has a vanity mirror - pretty neat. Found them in a heavily optioned
'78 Bonneville. I think any visor '77 to '85 across Buick, Pontiac, Olds
and maybe Chevy will fit correctly. If I run across some, I'll grab
them.
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:25:10 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: olds FI

In keeping with letter = small block item, it should be a letter.
========
Uh, isn't that #=SB, letter =BB?

Ya know, I have one of them intakes... somewhere out at the farm.
Thought I
wrote down the casting #, but can't find it in the big database under
"FI" or
"intake"...
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Chris  B. Witt
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Oh, dang! Yeah, that should be the reverse. Just seeing if you were
listening! Uh huh.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:17:01 -0700
From: Teresa Stump <tstump@pacbell.net>
Subject: Name for list

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Clovis,  Ca

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:31:25 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: 8-Track Players

I hope you can answer this question, or refer me. I'm going to install
an 8-track unit in my '72 Cutlass Supreme convertible along with an
AM/FM stereo unit. I'd like to know if there is a precise location for
the 8-track unit to be attached to the bottom of the dash. I know it's
located directly under the radio, but I don't know exactly how far
forward or back. I agree it's a pretty small issue, but I still want it
to be right. I don't know of any other Olds owners with 8-tracks close
by to use as reference. Can you help?
Thanks,
Bill Park
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Bill,
I don't know, so I am passing this along to the Oldsmobile Mail List.
Hopefully a listee or two can help you out. The mail list is closed,
meaning only listees can send messages to the list. I would suggest
signing up for the digest version at first if you decide to join.
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Can someone help Bill out? Please respond to
William.Park@PSS.boeing.com.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:25:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Schaack's" <shaqboyz@sbt.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Jerod Schaack
Iowa
1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:50:01 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

A.)  RC Hellebuyck

B.)  Michigan

C.)  1971 4-4-2 covt. (455 4/bbl, automatic, saturn gold, blk interior/top, SS 
     I wheels, OAI)

     1995 Acheva (wife's car)

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:36:36 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: List People and Their Cars

Matt Mayer
'86 442
Chicago, IL

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:41:45 -0600
From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Subject: Re: Fan Clutches.

Shang wrote:
> 
> Matthew Mayer wrote:
> >
> > Is there any kind of break-in period for new fan clutches?? I installed
> > one about 2 months ago on my '86 442.  It was really noisy all the time,
> > I thought maybe it would quite down a little with use, but hasn't.  It
> > sound like I am ready for take off whenever I get the engine over 2500
> > RPM.  Thanks for any input...
> > --
> > ---Matt
> > Chicago, IL
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com    |  VM: 800-481-1323
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> 
> What kind did you get? The Hadyden severe duty fan clutches are pretty
> much the same as a flex-fan. If you got a heavy-duty or a severe-duty
> one, try getting just the regular-duty thermostatic.
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"
BINGO!  Sorry to reply so long after the thread ran it's course, but I
really didn't have a chance to think about it last week.  Yup, it's a
Hayden heavy duty which is what was spec'd in their books.  Guess I will
give a regular one a try....or maybe I'll see if the original still
works after I clean off all the goop on the bi-metalic coil.

Thanks!

- ---Matt
Chicago, IL

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:59:13 CDT
From: James A Divine <feanor@iastate.edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Jim Divine

Ames, Iowa

1984 98 Regency (155,000 mi, original 307 & TH-200R4)
1977 Porsche 924, recently sold
Looking for 68-72 Cutlass (hey to Don Sowers)

Jim Divine     feanor@iastate.edu     http://www.iastate.edu/~feanor

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 18:12:51 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Original 1971 manuals for sale

My dad attended the fall carisle show and picked me up the following 
manuals which I already have. (he was bummed)  All I want is my money 
back!  Prices are firm and DO NOT included shipping.  E-mail me 
privately if interested.   mrhell@sprynet.com

$33.00 for both or

1971 "Fisher Body" service manual - very good condition	$20.	

1971 "Fisher Body" folding top service manual B & E bodies  -  very    
   good condition $13.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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