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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 25 1997       Volume 01 : Number 816



Question about a 267 (4.4L) V8
Re: Lansing
Re: Mail Delivery (Olds List computer question)
How to add Lansing pictures?
another parts company (mail order)
Re: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>
Need stove pipe and housing
Back from Lansing
Lead: FS 69 H/O
Center Exhuast Port
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
W-455 intake question
Re: Mail Delivery
Re: W-455 intake question
Re: How to add Lansing pictures?
Re: Need stove pipe and housing
Re: W-455 intake question
Re: Need stove pipe and housing
Re: Lansing not 1 car like yours???
Re: W-455 intake question
Re: W-455 intake question
W-455 intake part II
Want info: FS '68 Conv
lansing
1967 cutlass convertible
Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?
Re: W-455 intake part II
Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?
Re: Steering problems
Centennial meet
Desert Dog Auto Parts
Parting out 1968 Cutlass Convertible
Unusual 442 for sale
Re: 1967 cutlass convertible
Re: Unusual 442 for sale
RE: Center Exhuast Port
Lansing bash
Engine in VIN
LANSING, its so sweet
Frist Place Trophy
test
455 identification
1970 Radio wanted
1970 Steering wheel wanted
Re: Back from Lansing
1966 Delta 88
Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?
Re: W-455 intake part II
Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?
What A Week!!
Re: Unusual 442 for sale
Lansing Diary Day 1
Lansing Diary Day 2 (long)

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:54:49 -0600
From: "Igor" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Subject: Question about a 267 (4.4L) V8

I belive that the 4.4 liter V8 is a 267.  If not it is the 4.4L engine
that I am talking about.  I know that this engine came on some 80's
Cutlasses and Deltas, but they also came in Chevys too.  My question is is
this a Olds engine or Chevy.  My friend has a 4.4L Malibu and we are
wondering if it is a Chevy heart of Olds.  I told him I would ask but it
looks to me like a chevy engine.  If anyone knows, please help solve this
dispute.  Also, if you know, what would be the rear end in that malibu
stock.  Would it be a 2.73 or something smaller like 2.43 or so?

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 07:32:17 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing

 Speaking of someone's vendor card, would it be possible to get some
postings of vendors from those who were in Lansing.  this could be a
wonderful resource for all of us in our eternal search for that part or
service.  It could also add to Bryceman's listings.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Yesterday I went to lansing to soak up the fun.  I've never seen that
>many old cars in one place before(most of my old car viewing is done at
>cruise nights), let alone Oldsmobiles.  The swap meet was great even
>though I only spent $2.00 on a '65 paint chip booklet.  I did get a card
>from a local guy who makes headliners from the orig. patterns, not the
>one you take out.

>Rick Anderson
>Clarkston, MI
>'65 Jetstar I
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:24:56 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Mail Delivery (Olds List computer question)

Tim,

Do you mean the response(s) is listed ahead of your question? (as far as
the order)

F.Y.I - Not sure what browser your using, but MS Explorer has the option
to "click" on the "subject header bar". (part of the software, above all
e-mail subject descriptions)

Clicking on this "subject bar" will sort and group all e-mail by
subject.  Other browsers should have this option also.

Hope you figure out what I mean, this was a hard one to explain.  :)

RC Hellebuyck


On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net> wrote:
>Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Can someone tell me why I will be able to read the reply to this
>> post before I am actually able to read this post?  Many times I
>> receive list mail that is in response to mail that has not been
>> delivered yet.....Gets kinda confusing sometimes....TIM
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:34:06 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: How to add Lansing pictures?

I have a scanner and would like to share a couple of Lansing pictures
with the list.  How do you guys want me to do this?  Is there
somebody's web site that's being used?

*ALSO*  Where do I go to see the posted Lansing pictures i've heard
about?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:27:46 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: another parts company (mail order)

In case anyone doesn't know, here's another parts company I found at
the Lansing show:

Specialty Olds (since 1976)
Commerce Ct.
Winter Haven  FL  33880

800-622-2024

They have a 50 page catalog.  When I compared a couple of their prices
to other main catalogs, they were cheaper.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 07:51:21 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>

Bill,

Thanks for all your efforts with the pictures.  Sorry if someone thought
I
was complaining, but that wasn't the intention, it was just an innocent
suggestion.

Didn't realize you were doing this remotely as recently joined the list
and
saw people indicating they couldn't get into the server or downloads
were
extremely slow.  Seemed to me at the time that labeling would have
reduced
the load, that's all.

My impression is that you didn't take it as a personal affront, but it
apparently made the hair stand up on the back of a few of the members
out
there, so I apologize to them, but it did allow them to be self
righteous
and come to your defense, so if it made them feel better for a short
while
then maybe it was actually a good thing.

Thanks again Bill and hope you have a safe trip home.

Gary Andresen - '55 Olds "88"


Bill Gochenour wrote:
>
> Sorry to have to say this, but we're leaving LANSING at 4:30 on Sunday.
> So this will be the last message until we're back at home. Charlie B. is
> 100% correct, posting those images at 2am turned out to be a real job.
> Most were taken with the digital camera, which meant downloading,
> enhancing, compressing, naming, saving, uploading, then giving access
> rights to the files. When you get the "FORBIDEN" message, it means I
> left out the last step. As you can see I did start to define the file
> names, unfortunately after I had already saved them. Which meant I
> needed to view each one a second time in order for me to find out what
> each one was, and at 2am that would have done more harm than good! I'll
> need a day or two to get on top of all the pictures (uploaded and still
> in the camera). Got alot of parade pics today, and several 1988 areo
> Hurst/Olds.
>
> LANSING was an experience that I was glad to be a part of and will
> remember forever. I made alot of new friends. Learned alot about
> Oldsmobiles. And had fun in the process! Most of all, being able to
> share it in this small way with all the people that couldn't make it in
> person.
>
> Well, that's all folks !
>
> I'll let the list know when the pics are ready.
>
> --
>
> Bill !
>
>                                               _           _       ___
> 1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
> 1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
> 1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
> 1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
>                                              |_|         |_|   |_______|
>
>         http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 11:31:35 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Need stove pipe and housing

I'm looking for a stove pipe and stove pipe housing for a 71 4-4-2.
(455 4/bl)

If anything, what's the average cost for this?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 10:41:19 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Back from Lansing

 This was a once in a lifetime event and I enjoyed it a lot. Met some great
people and saw more classic olds' in one place than I even thought existed.
the Cutlass ran like a top on both legs of the five hour trip except for one
hitch.
 The pipe that runs from the right exh. manifold to the breather came off.
It was shaken loose on those rough MI roads. I heard the clank under the
car, saw the chromed pipe bouncing down the road right under the wheels of a
semi.
Can anyone tell me what this pipe does? The manual says it routes evaporated
gas etc. fumes from the crankcase back through the carb to be burned, I've
also heard it called a heat riser for better cold weather operation. Few of
the 350's I looked at in Lansing still had this pipe on the engine and the
car suddenly seemed to run better when it was gone.
Do I need this pipe? Should I block the hole in the manifold? Does a plug
exist for this purpose?
I don't drive the car in the winter.
I recall that someone else was looking for the teardrop shaped antenna hold
down. If you still need it, I picked up a spare at the Swapmeet.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:50:57 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Lead: FS 69 H/O

Unfortunately, since all my money is already tied up in my restoration
projects, I cannot buy this one.  I am aware of a 69 H/O for sale.  His
asking price is somewhere between 13-14K.  The car is almost all
original, including paint and interior, all numbers match.  Super nice
shape.  E-mail Duane Brigham directly for more info.  duane@ikelite.com

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 12:40:52 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Center Exhuast Port

A friend of mine told me that Mondello said that dividing up the center
exhaust port is worth about 20-30 hp, is this legit?  Ok, if it is, how
do I go about doing it?  Does this still apply with manifolds or is that
headers only?

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307, and the 350 is getting closer!

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:27:14 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Lisa Madsen wrote:

> Mike - do we have an engine shot over on the Toro list that this guy
> could take a gander at?

Don't remember off the top of my head but I know Sparky did have a couple
of shots of motors on the FAQ -- under History or something.  Go to the
URL below and click FAQ on the Toro side of the Wonderbar.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:06:09 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: W-455 intake question

I have a 1971 4-4-2, 455 4/bl with a Q-Jet carb & air induction, (air
cleaner assembly).

I'm checking over all vacuum lines etc. to make sure everything is
hooked up correctly and *stock*.  Currently, here's how it's set-up;

The drivers side valve cover has the correct filter & tube assembly
that connects to the bottom half of the air cleaner housing.  The
passenger side valve cover has a PCV grommet, in which is a standard
PCV valve.  The hose from this PCV valve runs to the correct vacuum
nipple at the base of the carb, just to the left of and below the carbs
fuel filter.

(This I know is incorrect, so I changed the passenger side valve cover
grommet, and now have the proper filter and tube etc., which matches
the drivers side)

OK having said that, now picture this;

{your leaning over the front of the car}  According to the manual, the
PCV hose which comes off the base of the carb, should connect to the
PCV valve itself then to a "hose nipple" on the intake manifold.  This
"hose nipple" is located just left of the thermostat cover.  My W-455
aluminum intake has this "casted hole" but it seems to have a plug in
it, which is hollowed out. |_|  It appears that this "plug" can be
removed.

My question:  Is it possible, (without taking off the intake manifold),
to remove this "plug" and insert a "hose nipple" or possibly cut
threads to accept a screw-in fitting for the PCV valve hose?

I'm not sure what to do and don't want to start "hacking away" on a
$850. intake!

Please help!  Thanks in advance.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:35:13 -0700
From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Subject: Re: Mail Delivery

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:

> Can someone tell me why I will be able to read the reply to this
> post before I am actually able to read this post?  Many times I
> receive list mail that is in response to mail that has not been
> delivered yet.....Gets kinda confusing sometimes....TIM

Oh, just taking a stab at it, it prolly has to do in delays in forwarding
mail from one domain to another.  Message A gets delivered, message B
gets deferred cause the receipient was busy, message C gets delivered,
message B finally makes it through, etc...

If you keep you email in date/time order (like me) I've noticed some
senders clocks being way off -- like by several years -- which gives the
appearance of being out of sync.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike     http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:50:22 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

your best bet is to look up a diagram of the vacuum hose routing, check
your local library

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 13:58:15 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: How to add Lansing pictures?

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> I have a scanner and would like to share a couple of Lansing pictures
> with the list.  How do you guys want me to do this?  Is there
> somebody's web site that's being used?
>
> *ALSO*  Where do I go to see the posted Lansing pictures i've heard
> about?
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2

If you don't have a web page, you can e-mail them directly to me, and I
can put them on mine.  I've been planning to revamp some of my stuff
again here soon, so that would be a great excuse ;)   I just got a few
new Buick pictures that'll have to go one, once they get developed, too.

- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:55:21 -0400
From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Subject: Re: Need stove pipe and housing

Heat stove housing = $119.00 (Brothers Automotive 800-442-part)
Heat stove pipe = $39.95 (Year One 800-year-one)

Hope this helps.

Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
OCA ª 028157

- ----------
> I'm looking for a stove pipe and stove pipe housing for a 71 4-4-2.
> (455 4/bl)
>
> If anything, what's the average cost for this?
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:09:10 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

please disregard my previous reply, i read your question too fast.
that plug in the manifold is for a distribtor vaccuum control for cars
with air- conditioning. if you don't have a/c don't worry.
 you mention the pcv going into the manifold, it can't go there because
it would not function correctly there. i'm not sure if i answered your
question, but you have more info to go on.


71 cutlass supr

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:51:53 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Need stove pipe and housing

<Heat stove pipe = $39.95 (Year One 800-year-one)>

This is what I was hoping to hear.  Thanks Brian!

I checked with Brothers at the Lansing show, (like you told me) and
almost fell over when they told me $119.00!  They also had a oiled-up,
dented-up one they wanted $75.00 for!  Unbelievable

Your W-30 covt. is really enhanced by those tires!  The car looked
great.

See you later...

RC

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:16:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing not 1 car like yours???

you meant to say at the 100th aniv old show, not ONE car like yours???????
  very cool!! The last time the olds nationals were in nj, i didnt see One 67
F-85, its nice to have something different, although depending on what shape
yours was in, you probably wanted to take some pics of a nice one, anyway
happy rocketeering!!!!

bernie segebade
cranford nj      67 442 conv 67 f-85 86 salon  69 mach 1

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:55:39 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net> wrote:
>your best bet is to look up a diagram of the vacuum hose routing, check
>your local library
>

?!? Vacuum hose routing isn't my problem, I have the diagrams!

RC

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 16:27:21 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

> My W-455
> aluminum intake has this "casted hole" but it seems to have a plug in
> it, which is hollowed out. |_|  It appears that this "plug" can be
> removed.
>
> My question:  Is it possible, (without taking off the intake manifold),
> to remove this "plug" and insert a "hose nipple" or possibly cut
> threads to accept a screw-in fitting for the PCV valve hose?
>
There should have been a fitting here.  It's the same set up as on the
69 H/O.  If it is like a "cup plug" then you can possibly try this, but
it could be dangerous.  Put wheel grease on the end of a drill bit to
contain metal chips, drill a hole in the cup plug, and with some hooked
tool, place it in the hole and yank out the plug.  Or, you could try and
use a very small cape chisel and risk damage to the aluminum.  My
suggestion is to remove the intake. (quit rebelling already, it isn't
THAT difficult!) and flip it over and pop that sucker out with a punch.
Of course, that's playing it safe.  Other than that, I don't know of any
way to prevent damage to something.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:14:05 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: W-455 intake part II

In my first posting, I tried to be as clear as possible. (guess I got
too wordy)

Basically my problem is;  According to the service manual, my W-455
intake should have a vacuum hose "nipple" just left of the thermostat
hole but doesn't.  This is where the other end of the PCV hose, coming
off the base of the carb, is suppose to connect to.

It DOES have an indentation in the exact spot.  Closer examination
suggests there is a plug in this hole.


Again my question:

Is it possible, (without taking off the intake manifold),
to remove this "plug" and insert a "hose nipple" or possibly cut
threads to accept a screw-in fitting for the PCV valve hose?

I'm not sure what to do and don't want to start "hacking away" on a
$850. intake!

Please help!  Thanks in advance.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:18:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Want info: FS '68 Conv

Help!

I lost the post from Friday(?) about a '68 Cutlass Conv for sale in or
around Birmingham, Alabama, I think. 'rough but it's all there'

Would the poster please p-mail me the seller's name and number?

Thanks,
Don Sugarman

sugarman@berkshire.net

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:59:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: lansing

i just got back from the birthday party in lansing. it was awsome!!!!!! i've
never benn to anything like it in my life! anyways i had a great time....just
wanted to let everyone know!!

brent

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:08:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: 1967 cutlass convertible

hello everybody. i own a 1967 cutlass convertible......it is not a supreme. i
just got back from lansing where i did not see any of those there.
anyways,they seem to be rather rare, that is the cutlass convertibles. so i
was wondering if anybody had the production figures on 1967 cutlass
convertibles. this info would be greatly appreciated.

thanks!!!!!!

brent 1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 17:16:32 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?

Okay guys and ladies,
          I may be taking on more work than I can handle, but here goes...
I've been working in television for nearly 10 years, and produced my fair
share of weddings, (*shudder*) high school graduation videos, and fraternity
rush videos.  Here's the proposal:

          I know many of our list members who attended the Centennial
celebration in Lansing took their trusty video cameras.  If the people who
shot video of all those beautiful Oldsmobiles would trust me with their
tapes, I would like to produce a 10 - 20 minute video scrapbook for all the
list members like myself who didn't have the opportunity to attend.  I'll
dub your footage and send your master tape back to you ASAP.  If this
project gets off the ground, the final edit will be mastered to DVC Pro.
(Digital Video Cassette.  The quality is unbelievable.)  I won't want to rip
anybody off on the cost, but I'll need to collect enough to buy VHS tapes
and pay the postage to send them out.  To avoid wasting list bandwith, would
anyone with  a Lansing tape please e-mail me directly?  I can dub VHS, Hi-8,
and possibly VHS-C if I can get my hands on an adaptor.  I promise to treat
your tapes like they were my own.  (Still have some Maxell VHS tapes from
1984 that look good.) If I can generate enough interest, I'll post updates
to the list on how things are developing.  Thanks.

Doug Newman     dnewman@wcbi.com
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:28:17 -0400
From: Howie <qcquad@cuny.campus.mci.net>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake part II

i would have to agree with Mike, remove the manifold. its like 2 and a
half hours work at the most

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Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 16:44:31 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?

Doug Newman wrote:
>
> Okay guys and ladies,
>           I may be taking on more work than I can handle, but here goes...
> I've been working in television for nearly 10 years, and produced my fair
> share of weddings, (*shudder*) high school graduation videos, and fraternity
> rush videos.  Here's the proposal:
>
>           I know many of our list members who attended the Centennial
> celebration in Lansing took their trusty video cameras.  If the people who
> shot video of all those beautiful Oldsmobiles would trust me with their
> tapes, I would like to produce a 10 - 20 minute video scrapbook for all the
> list members like myself who didn't have the opportunity to attend.  I'll
> dub your footage and send your master tape back to you ASAP.

I love the idea.  I'd be very interested in getting a copy of the
finished item.  Perhaps some could shoot their stills onto video, and
include those as well?  As far as I'm concerned, the longer the better,
though :)



             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 18:56:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nick314@aol.com
Subject: Re: Steering problems

Did you have the problem before you put on the new parts?  If so, did you
check the front end suspension components ie, tie rods inner and outter,
idler arm, center link, ,control arm bushings, wheel bearings, and ball
joints for play? If they check out fine have the alignment done.. If this
still does not solve the problem, you may have a problem with the box or its
mounting, or the wrag joint in the steering column.  I would not suggest
touching the allen screw.  I would assume that this car has power steering,
and because of this that I would not recommend that procedure, you could
cause more harm then it's worth. There are special procedures, and anyway I'm
sure you will not fix it by adjusting it.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:11:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Centennial meet

Oh, man!

More later...

it'll be a bit long...

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:13:03 -0400
From: Lindsey Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Desert Dog Auto Parts

Does anyone have the E-Mail address for Desert Dog Auto Parts? I had it but
can't seem to find it now. They are located in Arizona. Thanks

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:56:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: GlassHoteI@aol.com
Subject: Parting out 1968 Cutlass Convertible

Well, with work proceeding on my 1970 Cutlass, time to part out the ramblin'
wreck 1968 Cutlass.  The body is shot, so I'm going to dismantle and keep and
sell what I can.  Better to give it to a collector than send it to a
junkyard.  Anyone interested please contact me at glasshotei@aol.com, as I
only get the digest and I might miss your letter.  Here is what is still good
and salvagable on the car:

3    P01 14" hubcaps
1    14x6 SS II wheel (needs to be repainted, it's kinda grungy)
complete set of exterior trim, in pretty good condition
rear bumper is in good condition, front is so so
grill has a couple of cracks, but useable
black dashpad w/AC, NO splits in the vinyl
glovebox door
rear seat back, black original vinyl, a few splits and rips
good set of rear quarter interior trim, in original vinyl
all top components work, but motor could use a rebuild.
3 year old carpeting
rubber trunk mat in good condition
350 engine with a 1970 442 intake and 4bbl carb

There are some other useable parts as well.  If anyone needs anything let me
know.  A bonus if you are near Chicago, and I don't have to ship this stuff.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 97 19:52:00 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Unusual 442 for sale

     Well, family and business travel prevented me from going to Lansing
     (yes, I was one of the few left behind), but as a consolation prize I
     was able to go to the Pomona swap meet, thanks to a business meeting
     in LA.  At Pomona I found an unusual 1969 442 with an intriguing and
     (naturally) undocumented story.  I'm interested in the car (even more
     so if the story can be substantiated) and I'm asking for any help the
     list can provide in putting the pieces of the story together.  I'll
     present the story first, then the facts.

     THE STORY:

     The car is a well-worn 1969 442 with under-the-bumper O.A.I. and
     _black_ fenderwells.  Seller claims that the car came from the factory
     with a "C" head _455_ (original engine not currently in the car) and
     was used as a test mule/press car to provide a preview of the 1970
     cars, which would be getting the 455.  The original engine is
     supposedly available and goes with the car.

     THE FACTS:

     The VIN is 344879M147941, so the car is a Lansing-built 442 Holiday
     Coupe. The emblems have been removed and bondoed over in a previous
     paint job, but the holes for the 442 emblems can be seen from the
     inside of the body panels.  The car has been painted numerous times,
     with thick layers of paint now peeling off.  It has black CA plates,
     so it has spent most, if not all of its life in California.  Car is
     relatively straight and rust-free (as far as I can tell under all that
     paint), with a couple of quarter-sized rust holes in the bottoms of
     the front fenders.  I couldn't see any of the usual pinchweld rust
     around the windshield and back window.

     The body data plate carries the number 33687LAN151065, again
     substantiating the Lansing build.  The 33687 indicates a Cutlass, but
     I assume this is one of those much-discussed 68-69 442-VIN-with-the-
     Cutlass-body-plate cars.  Interior code is 930 (black buckets).  Build
     date is 10B (second week of Oct, 1968).  Paint code is 50 50 (I don't
     have the ref books with me on this trip).

     The car currently has a "J" head 455 and a TH400 with the standard
     automatic shifter console.  It also has a Type O 12 bolt posi of
     unknown ratio.  The O.A.I. air cleaner housing and under-the-bumper
     scoops are in place, as are the fenderwell-mounted clamps for the
     ducts (ducts themselves are gone).  The car also has power disc brakes
     and a Rally Pac (gauges and tach/clock).  The build sheet has not yet
     been found.  The seller is asking $3500 OBO.

     My initial reaction is that this car is, in fact, a 1969 W-32, for
     which the O.A.I. with black fenderwells would be correct.  I also
     suspect, given the seller's lack of detailed Oldsmobile knowledge,
     that the original "455" is actually a "C" head long-stroke 400, which
     would also be correct for a 1969 W-32.  All-in-all, assuming this car
     is a W-32 and the original engine is available, this would probably
     not be a bad deal, as I suspect that the car can be gotten for under
     $3K.

     But now...  THE KICKER:

     Etched in the back window glass, high on the driver's side in about
     one inch tall letters is:  PR6904

     The seller claims he has researched this and been told that this
     means:

     PR = Public Relations
     69 = 1969
     04 = Car number 4

     THE QUESTION:

     Has anyone ever heard of this designation for factory public relations
     cars?  I know, for example, that Olds _did_ build a 1968 Vista Cruiser
     with an under-the-bumper O.A.I. 455 and the FE2 suspension, which was
     given to Car and Driver for evaluation (this was written about in the
     May 1968 issue of C and D, I think).  They also built a 1970 Cutlass
     Cruiser with W-30 engine and O.A.I. hood, which was tested by Road and
     Track that year, so these one-offs are not unheard-of.

     Obviously, if the "original" engine exists and it _is_ an F-block 455,
     with numbers matching the VIN, this would be a rare find.  I plan to
     get in touch with the seller tonight if possible and ask him to
     research this.

     The other question I have concerns the initial build date for 1969
     W-32 cars.  I was always under the impression that the W-32 was
     released later in the model year, which would not be consistent with
     an Oct 1968 build date.  Does anyone have any information on this?
     Any suggestions for substantiating the PR6904 nomenclature?

     I suspect that a title search at the California DMV might be
     instructive.  The seller indicated that, although the car was built in
     Oct 1968, it wasn't sold and titled until late 1969.  He notes that
     this is evidence that the car was used as some sort of demonstrator.

     Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.  I'll keep you posted
     on any additional information I find out.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:06:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1967 cutlass convertible

Cutlass convertable
6 cyl 567
8 cyl 3777
From 3rd Edition Standard Catalog Of AMERICAN CARS  1946-1975

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:51:46 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Unusual 442 for sale

< Paint code is 50 50 (I don't have the ref books with me on this trip).
>
>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com>


What an intriguing story Joe!  Just in case your on-the-road for a while, my
book shows the paint code to be "Cameo White".  Unfortunately, that's all I
can help you with!

Hope this car ends up what it's suppose to be.  Good Luck & keep us all
updated!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 20:15:31 -0400
From: urbanch <urbanch@magi.com>
Subject: RE: Center Exhuast Port

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Well I don't know about that much power but it worth at least 10 hp. =
Firstly you are confused it isn't dividing up the port its welding up =
the center divider so its flush with the head exghaust flange face. All =
you need is the ability to weld cast iron metal , and a die grinder to =
clean it up.

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From: Thomas Martin[SMTP:Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 24, 1997 1:40 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Center Exhuast Port

A friend of mine told me that Mondello said that dividing up the center
exhaust port is worth about 20-30 hp, is this legit?  Ok, if it is, how
do I go about doing it?  Does this still apply with manifolds or is that
headers only?

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307, and the 350 is getting closer!



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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 15:45:03 -0500
From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Subject: Lansing bash

We left the hotel in Lansing at 4:42 am. We got off the highway at home
at 4:42 pm. Honest. I was very impressed by the show that was put on by
Olds. I wish they could be as competent designing cars. I scored big
time at the swap meet. 1. 1930s ZIPPO lighter. 2. a single groove water
pump pulley for non power steering cars. 3. a very nice '70 W-30 intake.
4. a W-27 rear end 3.91 ratio. I also bought a hat with the new logo on
it and stuck a real rocket pin logo over it.

Danny

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Engine in VIN

> > Junk car's VINª 1G3AR47A9EM400039  <-  thats a V6!
>
> The answer's embedded in the VIN. Don't recall which character, though.
> But I don't think this is too critical either.

From the past few months of working on cars, it seems the rules must've
mandated a conformity change about 1980. Since then all cars seem to have the
engine ID in the 8th VIN digit, the Year code in the 10th digit, and a total of
17 characters.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:12:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: LANSING, its so sweet

Well, let me say this, Lansing was the most awesome and exciting car event I
have ever been to.  I started my trip by arriving on Tuesday afternoon and
returning
today Sunday at 4:00pm.  I took 6 hours of VHS video of the whole thing.
 Thats including 2 hours for the parade yesterday.  I met many list members
and I will address them later after I recoup.  I got bargains at the swap
because It did start on Tuesday.  I even got to push the Hemi W-43 engine in
the Cutlass chassis around today at the REO Museum and take great video and
pics with my 35mm camera.

much much info and stories to follow, too tired and I will address everyone
tomorrow, just thought I give you all a taste of what it was like,  BTW, the
highlight of the trip was yesterday afternoon when i raceds a 83 H/O under
the Lansing Center heading toward the swap area.  People were just cheering
and applauding of the raw horsepower display of both cars.

W MACHINES  Mark Prince
1972 442 W-30 that got to show off its muscle and
idle a bit

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:40:31 -0700
From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Subject: Frist Place Trophy

Hi Everyone,well I went to a Car Cruise today in Monroeville Pa. It was
a benefit for the flood victims in Pitcairn Pa. They had a bad flood a
few weeks back. There were 137 cars there,all the local TV stations were
there. I was really proud to represent Oldsmobile and I took home the
"FIRST PRIZE TROPHY" what a great feeling walking thru all those cars
with
that Trophy. My car is a 1962 STARFIRE. If you would like to see my car
I
have pictures on my web page,see you later thanks for taking time to
read
this. From a Proud Oldsmobile Owner...     LARRY POLESNAK
                                           Pittsburgh,Pa.
       6    2    S    T    A    R    F    I    R    E

1983 REGENCY BROUGHM
1989 PLYMOUTH VOYAGER

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:13:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: test

test\
100th was awesome
we miss the excitement in this town

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 22:45:05
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: 455 identification

i recently purchased a pile of parts, tranny's and motors from some moron
who had no clue what he had...on oth motors is a 455 ( i think...)


Can anyone help my identify it by these markings, and tell me if it is
indeed a 455, and what it came out of?

heads stamped "C"
block stamped "F"
front of block "396021F"
rear of block "7069"
stamped by distributor "2
236"
stamped back of block "6 8
       F 2"

thanks to anyone who can help!

Chris Matthes
67 Cutlass Supreme
73 Cutlass

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:28:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 1970 Radio wanted

Hi,
I really need a radio for my 1970 cutlass convt. Anyone who has one can email
me privately with a price.

Thanks
Doug Harkema

harkema2@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:31:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 1970 Steering wheel wanted

Hi
Should have put this in my other message.  But am looking for Steering wheel
for 1970 cutlass convt  (brown) Saddle interior.  Would also consider putting
in a sport wheel.

If you have one for sale email me privately at
harkema2@pilot.msu.edu

Thanks

Doug Harkema

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:25:10 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Back from Lansing

 Mick,

I believe that this pipe is a heat stove for the heating of air for the carb
during warm-up.  There is a box made of sheet metal around one manifold for
trapping the hot air coming off that manifold.  The pipe just routes the air
to the air cleaner & thus to the carb.

Nothing is needed to plug the hole in the box around the manifold.  If the
box were not there, the air would just escape into the engine compartment
just as it did for years prior to this gadget being used.   When you find
another tube, just install it & you will be complete again.  If it doesn't
bother you to have it gone, just forget it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama.
> The pipe that runs from the right exh. manifold to the breather came off.
>It was shaken loose on those rough MI roads. I heard the clank under the
>car, saw the chromed pipe bouncing down the road right under the wheels of
a
>semi.
>Can anyone tell me what this pipe does? The manual says it routes
evaporated
>gas etc. fumes from the crankcase back through the carb to be burned,

That would be the PCV valve.  I'm certain that what you describe isn't that
part.  It routes from one rocker cover by hose to the carburetor.

I've
>also heard it called a heat riser for better cold weather operation.

The heat riser is a part of the exhaust manifold that has a door in it to
control exhaust heat in the morning & route it through a plenum through the
intake manifold under the carburetor.

Few of
>the 350's I looked at in Lansing still had this pipe on the engine and the
>car suddenly seemed to run better when it was gone.
>Do I need this pipe? Should I block the hole in the manifold? Does a plug
>exist for this purpose?
>I don't drive the car in the winter.
>I recall that someone else was looking for the teardrop shaped antenna hold
>down. If you still need it, I picked up a spare at the Swapmeet.
>
>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
>
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 19:49:40 +0100
From: Mary Hamilton <quicksil@agt.net>
Subject: 1966 Delta 88

I am contemplating buying a 1966 Oldsmobile Delta 88 two door hardtop.
The car has a 425 in it, four wheel drum brakes, console shifted
automatic with a cool looking tach on the front of the console.

Help, I know nothing about cars from this genre, any information would
be greatly appreciated.

My current vehicle is a 1994 GMC truck, but I would like something
unique to drive for a change..

Thank you..
quicksil@agt.net

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 21:54:48 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?

 Doug,

You could have my tapes if I had gone.  Thank you for volunteering for such
a project.  This would be great even for those who have gone.  Keep us
posted as I am interested.  Cost is a factor, in all honesty, but the
interest is there & would override anything but very high costs.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Okay guys and ladies,
>          I may be taking on more work than I can handle, but here goes...
>I've been working in television for nearly 10 years, and produced my fair
>share of weddings, (*shudder*) high school graduation videos, and
fraternity
>rush videos.  Here's the proposal:
>
>          I know many of our list members who attended the Centennial
>celebration in Lansing took their trusty video cameras.  If the people who
>shot video of all those beautiful Oldsmobiles would trust me with their
>tapes, I would like to produce a 10 - 20 minute video scrapbook for all the
>list members like myself who didn't have the opportunity to attend.  I'll
>dub your footage and send your master tape back to you ASAP

>Doug Newman     dnewman@wcbi.com
>Columbus, MS
>1987 442
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:02:01 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake part II

RC it is impossible for the hose to connect from the carb back to the
intake.....it would no do anything!  Pcv is suppost to suck the blowby
out of the crank case. Unless this fitting is not in the runners of the
intake. If it is not you can try to drill it out but keep in mind that
if it is not in the runners of the intake any fillings will go directly
into the crankcase and to the oil pump. If you have the nerve go ahead,
I don't . Good luck. Terry

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 23:04:25 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?

Doug I would be interested in a video if this comes about....count me in

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:11:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: What A Week!!

Got back from Lansing today, exhausted but happy. It was a tremendous
week. I'll be posting a diary of the experiences we had over the next
little while. Meanwhile, let me say how great it was to meet so many of
you and see your cars. And to thank Oldsmobile, the OCA, the City of
Lansing, and everyone else involved in putting all this together.

It was kind of bittersweet seeing all of the past success alongside the
uncertainty about the future, to be truthful. But maybe the powers that
be will get their eyes opened by the reaction of the people at large to
the great cars they used to make and learn something from that. I sure
hope so. But enough of that... it was a great week, and a wonderful time.

You should have been there...

Thaks also to Mike Frederick for doing his usual great job administering
the list while I was away. I couldn't have had such a good time without
you, Mike! :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 22:04:13 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Unusual 442 for sale

 Joe,

This sounds like one of those neat stories that never will have any
documentation - only tantalizing tid-bits like that etched alpha-numeric
thing.  I would buy it like it was a fake, only pay the price of a fake, &
hope for the best.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>
>     Well, family and business travel prevented me from going to Lansing
>     (yes, I was one of the few left behind), but as a consolation prize I
>     was able to go to the Pomona swap meet, thanks to a business meeting
>     in LA.  At Pomona I found an unusual 1969 442 with an intriguing and
>     (naturally) undocumented story.  I'm interested in the car (even more
>     so if the story can be substantiated) and I'm asking for any help the
>     list can provide in putting the pieces of the story together.  I'll
>     present the story first, then the facts.

>     My initial reaction is that this car is, in fact, a 1969 W-32, for
>     which the O.A.I. with black fenderwells would be correct.  I also
>     suspect, given the seller's lack of detailed Oldsmobile knowledge,
>     that the original "455" is actually a "C" head long-stroke 400, which
>     would also be correct for a 1969 W-32.  All-in-all, assuming this car
>     is a W-32 and the original engine is available, this would probably
>     not be a bad deal, as I suspect that the car can be gotten for under
>     $3K.
>
>     But now...  THE KICKER:
>
>     Etched in the back window glass, high on the driver's side in about
>     one inch tall letters is:  PR6904
>
>     The seller claims he has researched this and been told that this
>     means:
>
>     PR = Public Relations
>     69 = 1969
>     04 = Car number 4
>
>     THE QUESTION:
>
>     Joe Padavano
>
>

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:15:58 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing Diary Day 1

Tuesday, August 19th

Up at 6:00AM, unsub myself from list, grab cab for Steve Penny's place
(70 SX), then off to Brian Smith's (71 SX) house. His dad is there to
drive all of us to airport, and by 9:00AM we're in the air thanks to
Northwest. The boys are excited as kids on Christmas Eve and spirits are
soaring -- lots of jokes, zingers, and good humor. Arrive at Metro in
Detroit on time, clear customs OK, get the world's only known Elvis
impersonator for a shuttle bus driver -- he gets a round of applause from
the riders after the 5-minute jaunt to the main terminal -- and are back
on Northwest for the short hop to Lansing. Arrive shortly after 1:00PM to
a beautiful day. See the new Intrigue in the airport lobby; Steve looks
underneath, something he will do to every car he sees this week. One of
many personality quirks he has, we discover; file away for future
reference and ribbing later in the week. As we are awaiting bags at the
carousel, Don Hirtle ('70 Cutlass convertible) arrives from Windsor, Ont.
in his rental car, a Mercury Sable. Couldn't get an Olds, he wails. Ah
well, perfect timing at least, and the trip is off to a great start. See
Demmer Engineering's building right outside the airport, realize that's
the home of the 68 Hurst/Olds. We're in the heart of Olds country.

Check into Hampton Inn, then off to check out the town. Tour past Olds
HQ, then into downtown. Run only one red light, manage to avoid going
wrong way on one-way streets which seemingly are all throughout downtown.
Ogle early-arriving cars -- see 2 70 W-30 convertibles within the first
20 minutes -- and find the swap meet field. Still being set up, will go
back later. Have a late lunch at T.G.I. Fridays (liked it), meet Steve
Hemminghaus (he of the $43K 72 W-30 convert talked about in the past) and
a guy named Jim Carson, who among other things owns the 68 H/O that's on
display in the R. E. Olds Museum. Nice guys though they seem more
interested in the money aspect of their cars than anything else. Oh well.
Heidi, our waitress, presents us with Olds Centennial buttons after we
admire hers, a nice touch. Head back downtown, glad we have a rental car
- -- distances from West Lansing are huge! Wander into swap meet, already
all kinds of good stuff on offer. Buy some OCA merchandise, chat with
Penny Casteele. She tells me OCA is going to consider their own web site
this week. Score first coup of week: pick up mint used black rubber trunk
mat from Ashley Jones (who used to be a list member) for $40; other guys
also in market for same, highly annoyed with me for beating them to it,
will now have to pay $90 for new ones. ;-)  Pick up some other things
too, already in need of visit to bank machine. Meet and chat with Mark
Cornea (a.k.a. Dr. Decal) of the list, he's having a problem with his car
but still manages to be really friendly and we have a nice chat. Brian
and I buy W-machine clocks from him while we're there, really neat. Head
back to hotel at dusk with pit stop on route for refreshments, relax in
Brian and Don's room rest of night, take abuse for being such a canny
shopper. Good start.


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 00:25:36 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing Diary Day 2 (long)

Wednesday, August 20th

Day dawns cloudy, cool and wet. Pick up registration pack in hotel lobby,
see I'm registered for plant tour of Olds assembly plant the next morning.
Realize we were foolish not to spend the $25 to register our cars even if
we weren't bringing them when we see the wall plaque in the goody bag.
Nice! First item on agenda is R. E. Olds Museum. Make mistake of heading
to gift shop first; more $$$ grow wings and fly away. Brian and I pick up
"Rocket Blocks", last 2 they have; not sure what they are but had to have
them. :) Lucite/plastic/wood Olds rocket logo blocks probably used in
dealership displays, etc., will make a nice touch somewhere we figure.
Also buy assorted trinkets. Steve buys one of 750 tickets on Intrigue car
lottery. Look at museum display, see Helen Earley of Olds History Center
wrapping up CNN interview, get to chat with her and thank her for her
"Setting The Pace" book; she calls Jim Walkinshaw over to share thanks.
Nice lady! Good stuff in museum including gorgeous woody wagon, brass era
"Defender" (I think, memory is fuzzy) Hemi 455, etc., etc., including last
Rocket V-8 ever made. That one was sad to see. Even sadder... camera chews
up 2 rolls of film, lose all my museum shots. Arrgh! Good thing Brian is
taping everything in sight.

After lunch head to airport to pick up Sandy Stewart (owner of 3 68-72
Cutlasses) arriving from Prince Edward Island. He'll be my roomie the
rest of the week. He has a long list of stuff he wants to get for a 72
W-30 he has which sounds like it needs everything. After checking him in
we all pile into car and head for downtown again for caravan motorcade
arrival. Check out Lansing Center, start wondering how to score one of
the lamppost banners that are everywhere. Told that Alpha One will be
taking names for purchase after event is over; $50-$100 each. Too rich we
decide, start scheming ways to get one for free. Head outside, awaiting
motorcade; someone taps me on shoulder after seeing name badge. One of
the Ontario-based MacFarlane clan from the list is standing next to me.
While chatting, Jason Adcock of Va. Tech materializes also -- the only
day he will be in town -- and introduces himself too. Neat, no idea how
he found me. Then Jim Chermack from Virginia appears on sidewalk, he
knows all of us from last year, we hang out for a while as motorcade
arrives.

This is too cool! Hundreds of cars in triple rows cruising into town
towards Capitol building. When the lead cars reach the Capitol, the
motorcade stops, much to the annoyance of the locals who are trying to get
across town. Tempers get short and a horn-blowing fest ensues until a gap
is made to let traffic through. Funny as long as you weren't stuck in
traffic I guess. We wander among the cars stopped in the street...
there's Bob and Cheryl Handren of the list, I finally get to say hello as
he's getting out of his highly modified 67 4-4-2, a wild car. Nice folks,
take some snaps before camera barfs another roll of film. Damn! I spot a
pretty blonde lady getting out of a Toro, look at the badge, it's Mary
Ludlam with hubby Gregg... he somehow looks exactly like I pictured him,
and the car is gorgeous. Real neat to see people that you've known from
the list but not met. The Ludlams are really nice people too. Some of the
cars in the motorcade are unreal and I'm already getting jaded. Cars that
would normally stop me in my tracks are now getting overlooked because
there is just so much to see. It's like a car show on the main drag.

Olds is sponsoring a reception at Lansing Center at 5:00PM so we head
inside. Doors to the banquet hall are locked when we arrive and manned by
volunteers from Olds and elsewhere. Close to 5:30 when Darwin Clark, Olds
GM, arrives at the door I'm at. I make eye contact, say hello... he gives
me a curt nod and blows past into the room. Looks to me like someone with
a lot on his mind, but the boys are unimpressed with his appearance...
not a car guy, they instantly conclude. Impression confirmed when former
Olds GM John Rock arrives looking more like John Wayne and working the
crowd. He has a real presence. First few minutes of the reception are for
the dignitaries it seems. I chat with the Olds lady manning my door, she
admits that's the first time she's ever seen Clark. Hmmm. While standing
around waiting I run into all sorts of folks from the list... David Brown,
Bryceman, Karl Aune, Tom Stoner, Chris Fair... this is just too cool! I'm
sure I'm leaving someone out. Tom advises he has a PC ready for me if I
want to use it. I realize this may be a problem... in a day and a half of
being in town I've been in my room maybe 9 hours all told. I thank him but
ask him to hold the thought for now. He gives me a
"oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca" button anyway. I feel guilty for all the
trouble I have made him go to to arrange this since it looks like I might
not have time to do anything now.

Eventually we're admitted to the reception and Olds has gone all out for
this one. Cash bar, but everything else is freebie... spicy shrimp
stir-fry, roast beef, hot and cold hors d'ouvres, great desserts... we
have supper at Olds' expense. Very nice. We offer a toast to Darwin from
across the room. Bryceman buys me a beer... somehow I suspect this isn't
the first beer he's purchased in his life either. :) I suggest it may be
a good project to try and score one of the lamppost banners, preferably
late at night... he takes it under advisement. Meanwhile, I realize that
David Brown looks almost exactly like my nephew, the resemblance is
uncanny. And Tom Stoner looks like he ought to be on a horse somewhere in
the old west of the 1890's... a cross between Willie Nelson and Kenny
Rogers. Cool!

Eventually we call it a night and head over to the swap meet for a quick
lap. Vendors continue to arrive and there's a lot more stuff than
yesterday. I kick myself when I see the service manual I bought the day
before for $35 on sale at another stand for $20. Ouch. However, I see a
vendor with a pair of rear bumpers for my 78 Delta with perfect
reinforcing bars behind them... the guy tells me that he brings them in
from California because of the rust problems they have. I hadn't planned
on getting that here and I have no idea how I'd get it home, but it gets
me thinking. Meanwhile, I spot 2 older fellows setting up a table with a
bunch of old radios... wander over and see they have a box of 8-tracks. I
shuffle through it and find a 1968 Olds complimentary cartridge in great
shape. I had given up hope of ever finding one of these. "How much?" I
ask. They ponder. "I dunno, no one wants those old things... we just
found the whole box of them somewhere. What is it anyway?" one of them
asks. Meanwhile Brian has found a brand-new 73 vintage cart as well. We
show them the items, the fellow says, "How about $3 each?". We somehow
manage to actually appear to think and seem reluctant for a few seconds
before whipping out our wallets in a flash. This was the kind of thing
that makes a swap meet worthwhile... something nice, not too expensive,
but at a lot less than what you'd pay elsewhere. I was ecstatic! Finally
head back to the hotel for a few drinks, realize my legs and feet are
protesting mightly due to the last 2 days of standing and walking. As I
turn in for the night they are throbbing.


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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