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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, August 28 1997      Volume 01 : Number 824



electrical wizards please help
Suggestions for New Readers
Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: electrical wizards please help
RE: electrical wizards please help
Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible
Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing
Re: electrical wizards please help
Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing
Re: Repo OAI hoods
Re: electrical wizard please help
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
RE: electrical wizards please help
Re: electrical wizard please help
Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2
Test?
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing
Re: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing
Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???
Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: chebucto.na.ca: host not found)
Re: 87 olds cutless siera
Re: 87 olds cutless siera
DEAD Battery!
Overdrive for TH400??
Re: DEAD Battery!
Re: Overdrive for TH400??
Re: DEAD Battery!
Re: 72 - 442 and Hurst "Round Boat"
cowl tag and vin info
Re: DEAD Battery!
Re: Greg's Diary
Re: More Lansing Pics!
[Event]: Dutchland Collector Auto Auction
What did you buy in Lansing?
Fw: bleeder kit
Re: 70 442 seatbelts ok
Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible
Lansing Video:  Third Update
Re: Repo OAI hoods Think twice
Re: Lansing Parade Burnouts
Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible
PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:55:14 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: electrical wizards please help

Some here have, in the past, recommended Pertronix ignition as a way of
keeping original looking distributor while gaining "electronic ignition"
performance advantages.

Can I assume that with making such a conversion one can ditch the resistor 
wire?

TIA

roger hitson


I sent the above message a few days ago with subj  as : Pertronix ignition
question.
No responses. Pertronix is a magnet switched type conversion. Would any of
you venture an opinion as to my original question....please

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:10:27 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Suggestions for New Readers

>>.-NO MORE MAIL PLEASE!

[About fourteen similar unsubscribe attempts, from Al and others,
deleted this morning...]

Would this be a good time to once again raise the subject of
having new subscribers assigned to the digest distribution by
default?

If there are any other new readers out there trying to deal
with the typical daily onslaught of eight-zillion little Olds
postings: try unsubscribing from this distribution, subscribing
to the digest instead; you'll get all the same text, but all in
one or two big messages per day, not 100 little ones.

Greg, permit me to give this administrivia:

HOW TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Send an email message to majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca
and in the body of the message write "unsubscribe oldsmobile"

HOW TO SUBSCRIBE TO THE DIGEST INSTEAD:  Send an email message to
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If you select the oldsmobile digest, remember that you still have
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Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
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Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:11:20 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing

"Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu> wrote:

> For all the Oldsmobiles we did see at Lansing, there were a few that I
did
> not see, and I was wondering if anyone else who was there might have
> spotted any of the following:
>
> 1.  1975-1980 vintage Starfire.

***************************
Based upon the rate at which the "H-body" Starfire I purchased early in
1975 was falling apart during the year and a half which I owned it, I doubt
that many of these could possibly be left.  As I recall, I went through
three sets of tires because I couldn't keep the front end aligned.  I had
the front brake rotors turned twice and replaced once because they were
normally very hot and would warp easily if the car was driven through rain
puddles.  I replaced the front brake pads once because of premature wearout
caused by the warped rotors. I replaced the armrests on both doors once
because the handle portions would break, and they were broken again when I
sold the car.  I put up with the seatbelt ends getting "trapped" between
the front seats and the closing door, poking holes in the seat sides.
Remember, this was all in the first 18 months of the car's existance.

And I also had the "typical" problem where the rear edge of the door had to
be lifted about 3/8 of an inch, in order to get the door to latch closed.
The dealers body shop manager wanted to cut the door hinges out (they were
welded, not bolted on), and weld replacements in.  At my expense, of
course.  I searched the catalog at the very same dealership's parts
department and found part numbers for the bushings and pins in the hinges.
It took about a week to get the required eight bushings and four pins to
rebuild all the hinges.  And cost less than $10.00.  When the parts had
come in, I took them down the hall to the manager's office and dropped them
onto his desk in front of him.  With a "Here are the parts you couldn't get
for me - when do you want to repair my car?" thrown in for good measure.  I
was probably only able to sell that car and get out from under it because
the doors would still close properly.  It was a rarity in two year old
H-bodies, I think.  Otherwise, it might still be rusting away in a back
corner of my yard.  I went back to driving a Cutlass - a '76 Salon, in this
instance - and was much happier with the experience.

So Dan, it doesn't surprise me that we didn't see any '70s Starfires in
Lansing.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:22:33 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

At 03:36 AM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>according to my book the th350 takes 10qts of fluid, i believe this
>includes the converter too. they also recommend a filter/fluid change
>every 2 years. i do it every 50,000mi. i never noticed my th350's taking
>10 qts. how i did it was to add 2 qts then fire the car up and add to
>the fill line on the stick.

It's typical for an automatic to take only two or three quarts to refill
when you do a nominal fluid change, which means dropping the pan and
changing the filter.  To get the tranny to take the full 9 quarts, you've
got to disasseble it considerably further, something that is normally not
done unless the tranny is giving problems.

>as for the oil light, it sounds like your loosing the prime in the
>filter. i don't know what kind of  engine you have so its hard to say.
>but check the filter make sure it is tight and the correct one for that
>motor for that year. the sender could be clogged and sending a false
>indication to you. it could also be the begining of oil pump problems,
>but i doubt it

You should hook up a gauge and see what the actual oil pressure is and see
how it compares to what it should be.  If it's low, it could be the
beginnings of bearing problems?  How many miles on the car?

Dan


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:23:31 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: electrical wizards please help

>I sent the above message a few days ago with subj as: Pertronix ignition
>question.
>No responses. Pertronix is a magnet switched type conversion. Would any of
>you venture an opinion as to my original question....please

You might able to eventually ask Pertronix themselves since they
have a domain registered now. Unfortunately the only thing on
their website so far at http://www.pertronix.com is a snotty _and_
misspelled _and_ wrong error message accusing you of using an old
browser, so this is not a good start. You could try emailing the
administrative contact, Rocky Sherer at 509320@IX.GEN.COM, and see
if he knows someone to forward it to...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:16:41 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: electrical wizards please help

I would replace it. The resistor wire/bock is used to reduce the
voltage to the points, to help prolong there life. You would want the
full voltage to the Pertonix unit. The installation instruction's may
have information on this subject. That would be my guess. Maybe
someone that has installed one will reply.


Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

- -----Original Message-----
From:hitson@leadbelt.com [SMTP:hitson@leadbelt.com]
Sent:Thursday, August 28, 1997 11:55 AM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:electrical wizards please help

Some here have, in the past, recommended Pertronix ignition as a way
of
keeping original looking distributor while gaining "electronic
ignition"
performance advantages.

Can I assume that with making such a conversion one can ditch the
resistor wire?

TIA

roger hitson


I sent the above message a few days ago with subj  as : Pertronix
ignition
question.
No responses. Pertronix is a magnet switched type conversion. Would
any of
you venture an opinion as to my original question....please

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:25:07 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible

Walking across campus today, I saw my first worthwhile student car in a long
time (most have hand-me-down SUV's or Accords, it seems; pretty boring
student body here): A white 1968 Cutlass "S" with a black convertible top
and SSIII rims.

It looks solid (no rust apparent), but worn (chips in paint, slightly bend
and self-dechroming bumpers). The interior is a white bench-seat interior,
column-shift, and just about the *plainest* door panels I've ever seen on a
car: plain white vinyl, no armrest, just the window handle and the latch. In
fact, there were no "S" emblems on the front fenders (well, no emblems of
any kind, come to think of it), only on the trunklid, which coupled with the
plain interior might make it a non-"S" with an "S" trunklid? It did have the
fake vents on the hood, so maybe it's just an "S" with plain non-standard
replacement door panels (I was under the impression that the "S" was a
trim-level above an F-85 or regular Cutlass, so would come with armrests and
the like).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:37:09 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing

At 12:11 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>So Dan, it doesn't surprise me that we didn't see any '70s Starfires in
>Lansing.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu

Tom,

Sounds like a real horror story.  And probably not unique.  As I said, I'd
imagine there are a few Olds's that Olds would rather forget they ever
made.  Too bad they had to sully the Starfire name in doing so.



Dan

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:37:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: electrical wizards please help

Roger,
I don't know if this helps, but when I switched over to the all electronic
HEI system, I eliminated the resistor wire as the system calls for full
12 volt switched voltage going into the distributor.

What does pertronix recommend? Do they have a webpage? Can you call them
or a speed shop which stock these units?

Also, no criticism intended, but I've found the list somewhat quiet on
electrical issues. I sort of decided that these are tough since there
are so many variables involved, its hard to give advice. Hence the (justified)
silence.

Hope this helps
cf

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:45:59 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing

On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko) wrote:
> Did you see any Jetfires?  I never saw one, and at least expected one to
be
> in the parade.  Bill Culp, I blame you for the fact that I did not see a
> Jetfire this year!  You owe us one next year!  ;-)
>
> I admit that I didn't make it to the lot where the early 60's cars would
> have been on display.  Were there Jetfire's there?

************************
I say two Jetfires in Lansing, both on Thursday, and neither in a display
area.  One was parked in the grassy area behind the R.E.Olds Museum, and
the other was parked on a street near the State Historical Library and
Museum.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America ª3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:47:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Repo OAI hoods

- ---Mike Rothe  wrote:
 Anyone out there ever used/had a repro OAI hood?   Let us know what
you think.

    My original hood for my 72 W30 had begun to separate from the
webbing. I had a repo hood so I installed it until I could fix the
original. The repo hood had the stock-looking webbing but was all
fiberglass. It was held down only by the 2 outboard pins. I made many
100 MPH dragstrip passes with this hood- no problems. It never fit the
car very well....the curvature of the hood wasn't quite the same as
the fenders, and it always sat too high regardless of hinge
adjustment.  Also, there is no easy way to attach the molding at the
back of the hood, or the front of hood moldings. I now have a real
factory OAI hood back on there and it looks at lot better.
    I also have a race-weight '70 repo OAI hood that I intend to try
on a drag style '70 Cutlass post car I'm building. This hood is really
flimsy.....I'll probably have to put a 3rd hood pin in the center at
the front! It was $20 from the local junkyard so I couldn't pass it up!

===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com


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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 12:52:40 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: electrical wizard please help

Roger,
Check with Gregg Ludlam at gludlam@bcinet.net
He has a Toro with Pertronix system and can tell you all about it.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:39:59 -0400
From: Pat McDermott <kor@thepoint.net>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

Bearing problems? OK I'm dumb. Which bearings?
This car is a pain in the @ss. If it's not one thing it's another.
But it's also one of the most beautiful cars ever made and when its
running right, (as you all know), its hot.
My Cutlass Has a 350  motor and about 170k on the odometer. She was
rebuilt 4 yrs ago or 20k miles ago
Daniel A. Gulino wrote:

> You should hook up a gauge and see what the actual oil pressure is and
> see
> how it compares to what it should be.  If it's low, it could be the
> beginnings of bearing problems?  How many miles on the car?
>
> Dan
>
> **************************************
> Daniel A. Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> **************************************

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:17:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: RE: electrical wizards please help

>I would replace it. The resistor wire/bock is used to reduce the
>voltage to the points, to help prolong there life. You would want the
>full voltage to the Pertonix unit.

>Bobby
>70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
>

These were my thoughts exactly. Was hoping some of you would increase my
confidence about yanking the old wire. Thanks.

roger

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:27:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: electrical wizard please help

>Roger,
>Check with Gregg Ludlam <snipped>
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
Done. Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:53:00 EDT
From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Subject: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2

I am about to re-paint all of my SSII wheels on my '69 4-4-2 and am looking
for the correct silver metallic color to paint them.  All of the silver
metallic paints that I have seen are not dark enough.  Has anyone done this?
 Where did you find the correct color paint and one that is highly durable?

  .
/ | \
| | |
|/|\|
\ | /
Jeff Zeilmann

SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme
'69 Cutlass S Convertible
'69 4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 13:00:27 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Test?

Checking to see if this goes through.  Server was being moody yesterday,
and today says "no new messages"  I can't imagine that.  Which leads me
to suspect that the 120 or so messages I'd ~normally~ have gotten
bounced.  Uh oh.


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:13:31 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

At 01:39 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Bearing problems? OK I'm dumb. Which bearings?

You're not as dumb as you think you are.  At least you're smart enough to
ask questions.

I mean the engine's main bearings.  (At least I think I do.)  It's not
something you can fix in five minutes.  It would call for an engine overhaul.


Dan


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:22:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

when changing tranny fluid make sure that the tranny is at normal operating
teperature.  by doing this the fluid tends to run into the drain pan and not
stick to parts.   the oil light should come on and then go off.  once the
engine runs the oil is pumped throughout the engine.  the reason for the
delay is that the oil pressure sending unit is located at the opposite end of
the engine away from the pump.

mike

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:40:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

>At 01:39 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Bearing problems? OK I'm dumb. Which bearings?
>
>You're not as dumb as you think you are.  At least you're smart enough to
>ask questions.
>
>I mean the engine's main bearings.  (At least I think I do.)  It's not
>something you can fix in five minutes.  It would call for an engine overhaul.
>
>
>Dan

I have been fortunate to have had only one car with the symptoms you
described - -
oil light on at idle/low rpm's. In my case it was indeed bad main bearings.
Hope that's not what you're up against.

Roger

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:42:53 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing

As an addition to your list I went there looking for 65 Jetstar Is.  The
only 65 I've ever seen face to face is mine and I'd like to see one that
is already restored.  I saw a beautiful 64 JS I that was ALL orig. but
no 65s.  Did I miss them, there had to be at least one there.

Rick Anderson
Clarkston, MI
65 Olds Jetstar I 455 (don't E-mail me to tell me that it's a 425, I
know its not the orig. engine and it is in fact a 455)



Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> For all the Oldsmobiles we did see at Lansing, there were a few that I did
> not see, and I was wondering if anyone else who was there might have
> spotted any of the following:
>
> 1.  1975-1980 vintage Starfire.  These were the little Chevy Monza
> knock-offs that were given to Olds dealers so they would have a small car
> to sell during the energy "shortages" of the '70s.  I know that there is at
> least one person on the planet who collects them because I read an article
> about him a few years back.  I think it was in JWO, but I don't know.
> Presumably these would have been slotted in the same show field as my car,
> which was for 1971-1985's, but I didn't see one there
>
> 2.  1971-1976 Custom Cruiser Station Wagon.  These were the ones with the
> famous (or infamous, depending on who you ask) "clamshell" tailgate, where
> the window retracted into the roof and the tailgate retracted under the
> floor.  My dad had two of these when they were new, a 1971 and a 1973.  I
> saw several Vista Cruisers and several pre-1965 full sized wagons,
> including a very nice 1948-ish (I can't remember the year) maroon woody
> wagon that was hanging around the swap meet area along with a  green
> version of the same thing needing restoration.  There was also a very nice
> 1960 Super 88 wagon.  (A picture of this will be on my web pages later
> today.)  I also saw some later model-year wagons, but I don't recall seeing
> any of the '71-'76 Custom Cruisers.  These cars were interesting in that
> the '71 represented Olds's first foray back into the full-size wagon market
> since the 1964 Fiesta wagon that was based on the Dynamic 88.  From 1965 to
> 1970, the largest wagon Olds offered, the Vista Cruiser, was based on the
> F-85 chassis.  The Custom Cruisers were based on the 98, I believe.  They
> had the same taillights.
>
> 3.  mid-1980's era Firenza.  My dad owned two of these, an '85 and an '87.
> My brother still has the '87, and it's got 145,000 miles on it.  These were
> the little cars similar to the Chevy Cavalier?
>
> 4.  1990-1996 Silhouette minivan.  This was the Olds's version of the
> "dustbuster" minivans (Chevy Lumina and Pontiac Tranport, too).  They were
> first offered in 1990 and were replaced in 1997 with the more tame version
> with the anemic-looking (in my opinion!) headlights.  I didn't see a single
> one of these vans the whole weekend, not even amongst the general
> population of Lansing, although I saw a number of the 1997 version around
> town, and there was one in the parade.
>
> I also saw only one Omega the whole weekend, and that was in the parade.  I
> think it was a '72 or a '73.
>
> It certainly seems as though there are a few cars that Olds wishes it never
> produced!  :)
>
> Dan
>
> **************************************
> Daniel A. Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> **************************************

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:49:43 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
>
> I am about to re-paint all of my SSII wheels on my '69 4-4-2 and am looking
> for the correct silver metallic color to paint them.

This is what I use for SSII's originally painted argent.  I use
Eastwood's Spray Gray, which gives a dark argent hue, semi-metallic, and
semi-flat.  It looks real nice.  Although it is just a tad darker than
original, it's real close, comes in spray cans, covers really well, and
it's real durable, without spending $40/quart at Year One/Brother's/A
Little Different, etc.  One can can do all the wheel centers.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:59:26 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

>>I mean the engine's main bearings.  (At least I think I do.)  It's not
>>something you can fix in five minutes.  It would call for an engine
overhaul.
>
>I have been fortunate to have had only one car with the symptoms you
>described - -
>oil light on at idle/low rpm's. In my case it was indeed bad main bearings.
>Hope that's not what you're up against.

Just for the sake of tilting the odds back the other way a bit:
I had a Cutlass and a LeMans both demonstrate this; in both cases
the oil pump was failing and the engine itself was fine. The pump
replacement was not particularly cheap, but it was cheaper than a
rebuild and the patients ran fine afterwards.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:04:20 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Wheel paint color question for '69 4-4-2

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
>
> I am about to re-paint all of my SSII wheels on my '69 4-4-2 and am looking
> for the correct silver metallic color to paint them.  All of the silver
> metallic paints that I have seen are not dark enough.  Has anyone done this?
>  Where did you find the correct color paint and one that is highly durable?

I think originally these weren't metallic.  Someone please verify.  I
just did
some for my car and I used two different colors (standard black and
standard
gray) of Armor engine paint.  The facing surface was in gray and the
other
surfaces in black.  Comes out pretty nice I think.  Being that it is
engine
paint, it should be more durable than regular paint.

My 2 cents worth...

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:17:00
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

At 02:59 PM 8/28/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Just for the sake of tilting the odds back the other way a bit:
>I had a Cutlass and a LeMans both demonstrate this; in both cases
>the oil pump was failing and the engine itself was fine. The pump
>replacement was not particularly cheap, but it was cheaper than a
>rebuild and the patients ran fine afterwards.
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331

Andrew,

I would think that a check of the oil pump would be the first step in
diagnosing this problem.  If it's putting out good pressure, you go from
there.


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:15:43
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Cars Not Seen at Lansing

At 03:42 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>As an addition to your list I went there looking for 65 Jetstar Is.  The
>only 65 I've ever seen face to face is mine and I'd like to see one that
>is already restored.  I saw a beautiful 64 JS I that was ALL orig. but
>no 65s.  Did I miss them, there had to be at least one there.
>
>Rick Anderson
>Clarkston, MI
>65 Olds Jetstar I 455 (don't E-mail me to tell me that it's a 425, I
>know its not the orig. engine and it is in fact a 455)

I don't recall seeing a '65 Jetstar I.


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:36:00 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny fluid & Oil light ???

>I would think that a check of the oil pump would be the first step in
>diagnosing this problem.  If it's putting out good pressure, you go from
>there.

Agreed; if the oil light is slow in going off, I would first connect
a mechanical oil pressure gauge and see if it's showing good pressure.
If it is, the pressure switch is bad. If it is not, I'd suspect the
pump. But I myself am kind of unclear about how you'd distinguish
between a bad pump and bad mains, other than replacing the pump and
looking to see if the pressure goes back up...? In the case of both
our cars, it did.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:26:08 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: 87 olds cutless siera

At 09:01 PM 8/27/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi,
>My lovely car stalls at lights etc.
>I have already replaced plugs, wires, filters. Light says: Service
>engine soon.
>I would really appreciate any help!
>Sincerely, Al
>
Al,

I am not too familiar with your type of car, but one source of stalling at
lights could be that the lockup torque converter does not disengage and
causes the engine to stall.  It would be like if you had a stick shift car
and forgot to clutch as you are comming to a stop.

As for the service engine soon light, is that the oil pressure light or is
that an indication that something is wrong with the computer?  Check your
owners manual on what that light means, I wouldn't ignore it without
knowing what it is trying to tell you.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:51:39 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: 87 olds cutless siera

>I am not too familiar with your type of car, but one source of stalling at
>lights could be that the lockup torque converter does not disengage and
>causes the engine to stall.  It would be like if you had a stick shift car
>and forgot to clutch as you are comming to a stop.

I thought of that, too, but figured it would be more useful to get
the error codes out first, plus if the TCC was stalling it at every
single light, I'd have expected Al to have had it into the shop long
before now...

>As for the service engine soon light, is that the oil pressure light
>or is that an indication that something is wrong with the computer?

It's an indication that the computer has detected something wrong
with the car, such as a sensor going out of range or not responding.
I've sent Al email already with instructions on how to get the error
codes out for troubleshooting.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:11:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Schaack's" <shaqboyz@sbt.net>
Subject: DEAD Battery!

I have a 1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible.  My battery keeps dying after about
three or four days of driving it.  I connected my test light between the 
battery
post and the cable to see if anything was pulling electricity while the car was
off.  Sure enough it lit up.  I proceeded to pull out the fuses one by one to
see if the light would go out due to a short somewhere past the fuse box.  Of
course, the light didn't go out.  What else could be pulling on the battery 
that
doesn't go through the fuse box?  I had the alternator tested today and it
checked out o.k.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Also, could someone tell me where I can get a transsmission filter for my car.
It has the original tranny in it still.

Thanks, Jerod S.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:53:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Overdrive for TH400??

Anyone know of a vendor that makes an overdrive that bolts onto the tailshaft
of a TH400 tranny? I want to decrease my RPMs on the highway, but keep my
gears for around town.

Jon Wessel

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: DEAD Battery!

Jerod,

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:07:15 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Overdrive for TH400??

At 06:53 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone know of a vendor that makes an overdrive that bolts onto the tailshaft
>of a TH400 tranny? I want to decrease my RPMs on the highway, but keep my
>gears for around town.
>
>Jon Wessel
>
There is a company here in the San Diego area called Gear Vendors.  They
manufacture an overdrive unit which bolts directly to your transmission.  I
believe that the overdrive is 30% or so and you can have it as an
underdrive as well if you have 2.14 or similar rear.  I have no personal
experience with these units but I read about them in Hot Rod Magazine a
couple of years ago.  According to HR they are very strong and you can
engage them even under WOT.

My local phonebook lists their number as (619) 562-0060.

I am considering this as an option to adapting a TH700R4 or having a TH200
built to take the power of my 455.  One thing that would be interesting to
find out is if there is a way to adapt the TH400 to handle a lockup
converter.  Has anyone done this?

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:24:05 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Re: DEAD Battery!

Jerod,
There are a number of leads which don't route through the fuse box. Your
candidates are all the systems which work when the power is off -- top
motor, lights (good candidate), etc. If the alternator is o.k., that's
great, but you have a live lead to the starter which routes through the
horn relay/junction block on your driver's side fender. Both the big 2ga.
wire and the smaller yellow and the smaller purple wires are not routed
through the fuse box. The top motor power in wire (orange, I think) is
routed from a circuit breaker just to the right of the wiper motor is not
routed  through the fuse box. You can use a 3/8's nut driver to remove this
lead from the circuit breaker.

My money is on your fairly complex courtesy lights, check your headlight
switch to see if it is turned _all_ the way counterclockwise. This position
activates those lights on the sides of the rear seat. These could drain
your battery slowly without your noticing them as on.

Also check your map light, it could do the same. I think the "off" position
for this is to have the switch pointing toward the driver's side of the
car. Move it back and forth with the doors to the car closed to test this
switch.

As a safety measure, you might replace the voltage regulator, I don't know
the ins and outs of this thingy, but it's possible that it's shorting out
your battery. Get a new one for cheapo insurance. Solid state if you can
find it.

Does your clock work? This mechanical system wound itself using battery
juice about every seven minutes. If its still working it's possible that
it's not winding itself anymore and the contacts are staying closed. To fix
all you'd have to do is pull the orange wire that goes spade connector on
the back of it.

Have there been any other changes in the functioning of the electrical
accessories in the past few (?) weeks since you noticed this condition?
That
might be a clue too.

Hope this helps, let me know what you find. Good luck and good hunting.

cf

>I have a 1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible.  My battery keeps dying after about
>three or four days of driving it.  I connected my test light between the
>battery post and the cable to see if anything was pulling electricity
>while the car was off.  Sure enough it lit up.  I proceeded to pull out
>the fuses one by one to see if the light would go out due to a short
>somewhere past the fuse box.

>Of course, the light didn't go out.  What else could be pulling on the
>battery that doesn't go through the fuse box?  I had the alternator tested
>today and it
>checked out o.k.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!
>
>Also, could someone tell me where I can get a transsmission filter for my
>car.
>It has the original tranny in it still.
>
>Thanks, Jerod S.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:20:10 -0400
From: "Jerry Van Oyen" <jvanoyen@iserv.net>
Subject: Re: 72 - 442 and Hurst "Round Boat"

Hi all!
I am trying to find out if anyone knows anything about a Hurst "round
outboard boat". The boat and the 71 442 belong to my son. I am trying to
find out something about the boat as he is about to sell the two units. The
boat is pictured in the Hurst Heritage book. This round boat powered by an
outboard (none now on the boat) is steered by the pilot who stands in the
boat and shifts his weight to right or left. This concept is unknown (as
far as I know) in the industry. Could this be a forerunner of the
wave-runner?
My son can be contacted directly at 1 (616) 698-9122 or E-mail me at
jvanoyen@iserv.net.
Thanks for any information and questions.
Jerry Van Oyen
- ----------
>
> owners manual on what that light means, I wouldn't ignore it without
> knowing what it is trying to tell you.
>
> Erik Nowacki
> San Diego
> 72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 97 18:29:41 -0600
From: <dpecha1@ccmail.unl.edu>
Subject: cowl tag and vin info

Hi !  My name is Don Pecha and I am new to the list the past three months.  I
have been soaking up the wealth of knowledge the List Members provide.  Thanks
all.   I am a member of my local club, the Great Plains Chapter of the OCA.  I
made the drive to Lansing in time for Saturday's parade and stayed the rest of
night. I was in 7th heaven.  I have offered my video footage to Doug Newman in
hope that all can enjoy what a fantastic event this was.  I am jealous that I
was unable to attend more of the event.

    I read the thread from Joe Padavano on the unusual 442 with interest. He
mentioned that there was conversation a while back about 68-69 442's with cowl
tags reading 336 (Cutlass V-8) while the VIN reads 344 (442).   I have been
looking for a 68-69 442 for the past 5 months.  Any of the 442's I was
interested in fit this description.  At first, I thought I ran across a few 
fake
442's.  But, now I am concerned I am passing up legitimate cars with the idea
they are not correct.   Can someone tell me what the story is here ?  None of
the Olds ID books I own mention this. I did not find mention on the Olds FAQ
either.   You can e-mail me privately or post to List for all.
TIA

Don Pecha
Lincoln, NE.
e-mail Dpecha1@unl.edu
former '74 H/O W-30 owner.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:25:33
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: DEAD Battery!

At 05:11 PM 8/28/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1966 Ninety-Eight Convertible.
>Also, could someone tell me where I can get a transsmission filter for my
car.
>It has the original tranny in it still.
>
>Thanks, Jerod S.

Jerod,

When I needed a transmission filter for my car (a '64 Jetstar 88), I bought
a fluid change kit (new transmission pan gasket and filter) at the local
auto parts store (Autoworks).  I'll bet you can get one for your car at the
corner auto parts store.


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:33:46 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Greg's Diary

 I'll consider all contributions.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Etzel, Bobby <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: Greg's Diary



>Hey this could be the making of the book "My Lansing Diaries" if you
>added some pictures of Linda, every year olds, ..........
>
>
>
>
>Bobby
>70 442 Escape Back to the.... Past
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 28 Aug 1996 18:02:39 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: More Lansing Pics!

Andrew A. Senko wrote:
>
> Doh!!  Ok, the URL is
>
> http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds/lansing
>


Question:  The "87.gif" shot shows a sweet (like I ~need~ to say
~that~!) 87 doing a burnout etc....    Anyone notice the bumps that
appear to be on the front fender?  Did any of these ever come with the
fiber-optic signal monitors up there?  Or am I seeing something else
there?  I'd never seen them on these before.
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:18:37 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: [Event]: Dutchland Collector Auto Auction

Check out the following web site:

http://www.funbox.com/dutchland-auction

They have three Oldsmobile that they'll be auctioning at no reserve

a 1940 70 Series convertible
a 1955 Ninety Eight convertible
and a 1974 Hurst/Olds

Auction dates are October 3rd, 4th and 5th at the Historic Strasburg
Inn, Strasburg, Lancaster Co., PA

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:32:29 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: What did you buy in Lansing?

A few folks have already posted the treasures they found at the swap
meet in Lansing.  What about the rest of you?

Here's how I made out:

(Thurs) Comfortron Heater Control Valve, $30
(Fri) Climatic Combustion Control Air Cleaner, $25
(Fri) '63 Starfire and Jetfire light box transparencies (embarrassed to
tell you what I paid of these)
(Sat) '67 Guide-Matic Headlight Dimmer, traded my '68 unit plus $75

My biggest mistake:  One vendor had a '55 showroom album for $185.00.
It wasn't perfect, but it was a bargain for $185.00.  I wanted him to
look at it for a while, thinking he'd take $150.00.  Went back on Sat.
and it was gone.  The two other ones I saw were $400 and $450.

My second biggest mistake:  a vendor had a showroom banner for '67 that
hung under the trunk lid.  He wanted $50.  I thought that was too much.
Thought about it overnight and decided I'd buy it anyway.  Went back the
next day and it was gone.

Looked hard at a couple sets of '67 deluxe wheel covers, but didn't feel
like carrying them back to the car.
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:54:47 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Fw: bleeder kit

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd W. Culp <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
To: @ComCAT.COM <@ComCAT.COM>
Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: bleeder kit



>Patton,
>
>Thank you for the information.  The part number will be useful too.  i have
>a couple of convertibles that need some attention & you never know when the
>others will also.
>
>Speaking of GSP II, I worked for years w/a counsellor who was married to an
>Army officer who served w/GSPII.  Several times she described some of the
>antics of this famous general.  He must have been a little like his father.
>
>An uncle of mine served w/GSP senior in Europe.  He liked him very much &
>talks about him yet.  These two were certainly colorful creatures.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
>
>
>>Bill,
>> Contact Ames Performance Engineering. They have a web site.
>>I left the !@ª$ catalog at my brothers house. Will get you the part number
>>tomorrow. It consists of a plug for the top motor with a steel tube. A
>>section
>>of hose then runs from the tube to a jar of fluid BELOW the level of the
>>pump.
>>I was able to just lay it in the trunk of my 67'. You then fill the jar
>>with fluid and
>>run the top up and down. When it calls for fluid it draws it from the jar.
>>Spartan
>>and clumsy but it works.
>>
>> Talk to you later,
>> The General
>> (mark guiles  Phila.)
>>
>>PS   A high school teacher gave me the name I use. He served under GSP Jr.
>>in the third army if France.
>>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:23:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: C191145cal@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 442 seatbelts ok

Got your message Dave, and will check out a Hemmings. Now that you say that I
think I have seen them in there.   Thanks Jim

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: ZimbyJr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible

If it had the fake hood intakes and a convertible top, I'll bet it was an S
with replacement door panels.  I did not know ant form of Cutlass or F-85
came without armrests in 68.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:43:50 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Lansing Video:  Third Update

Hi folks,
             Still waiting for the Pony Express to deliver some of the
Lansing tapes a few list members have already sent out.  If anyone has a
tape they shot at Lansing, I'd really like to dub it for the "Unofficial"
Centennial video I'm planning to edit for list members.  Snail-mail address
follows, and thanks to everybody for their contributions so far.

Doug Newman
22 Ridge Road
Columbus, MS   39701

http://www.442.com/newman.html
http://wcbi.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:56:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: WKBZZZZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Repo OAI hoods Think twice

Well I have used year ones oai hood in the past (70 cuttlas drag car) had no
problems with it at all (10 years ago). It did need a little finish work at
the body shop but not that much. I did not use hinge spring though. My dad
machined my own hood pins, a little different setup. Used all thread in to a
polished thread bracket but looked stock from outside. I made many 100+ mph
runs (best 11.86) with out any type of failure. If i was doing a real w-30 i
want the real thing  but for a cuttlas hot rod its fine and looks great. I
plan to use one one the 71 442 (not w-30).


                                                                        Keith
Brumbley
                                                                         71
442 conv.



                                                                       Newark
DE

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:04:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: SRB442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lansing Parade Burnouts

Hi,
    I was taping the parade near the end at the capitol building but a good
freind of mine was in the parade was driving a white and gold 74 442 (which
had open headers) and I heard he lauched it a couple of times during the
parade.
    I was very impressed with quailty of everything that happend during the
celebration. My legs are still tired from all the walking but it was well
worth it. I am glad I got to meet some of the list members at the Holiday Inn
I wish I could have stayed longer but the rains came and my car was outside
where I couldn't see it and I am a over protective parent.
Steve B.
Rochester NY
1967 442 (Glad I took her home to meet brothers and sisters)
1970 442 (W-30 stripes this weekend)
1973 442 (510 H.P. Beast)
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham 2 dr (My economy car)
OCA ª016050


------------------------------

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:46:11 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Sighting: 1968 "S" Convertible

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> Walking across campus today, I saw my first worthwhile student car in a long
> time (most have hand-me-down SUV's or Accords, it seems; pretty boring
> student body here): A white 1968 Cutlass "S" with a black convertible top
> and SSIII rims.
>
> It looks solid (no rust apparent), but worn (chips in paint, slightly bend
> and self-dechroming bumpers). The interior is a white bench-seat interior,
> column-shift, and just about the *plainest* door panels I've ever seen on a
> car: plain white vinyl, no armrest, just the window handle and the latch. In
> fact, there were no "S" emblems on the front fenders (well, no emblems of
> any kind, come to think of it), only on the trunklid, which coupled with the
> plain interior might make it a non-"S" with an "S" trunklid? It did have the
> fake vents on the hood, so maybe it's just an "S" with plain non-standard
> replacement door panels (I was under the impression that the "S" was a
> trim-level above an F-85 or regular Cutlass, so would come with armrests and
> the like).
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
Obviously a student that will graduate with honors and distinction in a
few years.  Phi Beta Kappa material.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:48:56 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: PARTS: 442/Cutlass Parts For Sale

                              C&M Classic Parts

Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 pm - 10:00 pm, Sat 9:00 am - 6:00 pm

New Parts: ____________________________________________________________________
66 442 Side Mount Tach (maroon, works, nice)  $225.00
66 F-85 Post Coupe Doors (very good cond)  $200.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille  (nice)  $50.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid  (nice)  $125.00
66 330 cu in 2 bbl engine (complete w/trans, 17,000 original miles)  $350.00
66-67 Rear Side window lower U-seals (new, Metro Moulded)  $17.00 pr
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.00 ea
67 Rear Defrost setup (w/switch)  $50.00
68-72 Rear Defrost  (no switch)  $30.00
69 Cruise Control Switch and Bezel  $25.00
69 Radiator Core Support (mint, no rust holes)  $150.00
70-72 Std. Console Shift Lens  (repro)  $23.00 ea
70 Sport Mirrors (nice set)  $155.00
70 Cutlass Rear Bumper  (very good)  $120.00
70 Cutlass Supreme Hood (excellent)  $100.00
70 442/SX/Rally 350 Rear Cutout Bumper (CORE)  $110.00
70-72 RH Door (Coupe/Conv)  $125.00
69-72 Bucket Seats (need recovering)  $40.00 pr
69-72 Column Shift Steering Column (plain)  $45.00
64-72 Power Window Motors  (excellent cond) $50.00 ea
71 350 4 bbl Engine (complete, carb to pan, runs excellent) $250.00
68-72 Power Steering setup  (complete)  $50.00
71 8-Track Player (doesn't work)   $85.00
71 Cutlass/442 Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea
Bumper Bracket sets ALL years  $25.00 pr
70-72 455 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $40.00 pr
68-72 350 Engine Mounts (NEW)  $38.00 pr
TH350 Shift Cable Bracket  $15.00

New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts for 1964-1972 Cutlass/442
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66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $34.50 ea
69 Cutlass RH Grilles (N.O.S.) $85.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Grilles (N.O.S.)  $110.00 pr
70-72 LH Coupe/Conv Door Skin (N.O.S.)  $200.00
70-72 Cutlass/442 LH Fenders (N.O.S.) $450.00 ea
71-72 Turn Signal Lens (N.O.S.)  $90.00 pr
71-72 Stone Shields (N.O.S.) $38.00 ea
71-72 Headlight Housings (plastic) (N.O.S.) $80.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumpers (N.O.S.) $380.00 ea
71-75  Cutlass Fender Emblems (N.O.S.)  $19.50 ea
72 Cutlass Supreme & Hurst/Olds Grilles (N.O.S.)  $125.00 pr

Used Parts
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64 Cutlass/442
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00
Front Bumper Core  $40.00
LH/RH Taillight Lens  $8.00 ea
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00
V-8 Emblem  $5.00

65 Cutlass/442
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  $20.00 ea
65 Hood Molding (fair cond)  $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Molding  (good cond)  $30.00
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $25.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Full Turbine Hubcaps (very, very nice)  $230.00 set
Headlight Bezels  $40.00 pr
LH C/S Rear side molding  $10.00
Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00 pr
F-85/Cutlass Taillight Lens  $10.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
66-67 AM Radios  (nice)  $25.00 ea
66-67 RH Hardtop Doors (very nice)  $130.00 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 F-85 Rear Bumper (very good condition)  $75.00
67 442 Grille Bar  (nice)  $40.00
67 442 Hood (some rust)  $85.00
67 Front Bumper (straight, core)  $65.00
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $55.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $130.00 ea
67 442 Pie Tin Decal  $5.00
67 442 Trunk Panel (excellent)  $125.00
67 442 Tail Light Bezels (some pitting)  $50.00 pr
67 RH Fender (small hole, straight)  $200.00
Full Wheel Covers  $40.00 set

68 Cutlass/442
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel  4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00
68 Air Cleaner Stove Pipe (pipe only)  $10.00
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $20.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $25.00 pr
68/69 442 Front Fender LH (need small patch)  $145.00

69 Cutlass/442
69 Lower Dash (radio area)  (nice)  $45.00
69 C/S Side Moldings  $20.00 ea
68-69 Driver Side Remote Mirror (good)  $45.00
68-69 LH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68-69 RH Quarter Panel 4 door (mint)  $225.00
68/69 SSII 14x6 Wheels (4) mint  $160.00 set
68-69 Top Fender Moldings (near windshield, mint)  $40.00 pr
69 Cutlass Grilles (mint)  $180.00 pr
69 Headlight Housings  (mint)  $80.00 pr
69 Cutlass/442 Doors (mint pair)  $300.00 pr / $160.00 ea
442 Hood Tongue  $35.00 ea
Hood Hinges  $50.00 pr
Hood Louver Chrome  $35.00 pr
Hood Louver Moldiings  $35.00 pr
Windshield Molding Sets  $65.00 set
Rear Window Molding Sets  $85.00 set
69-72 Floor Shift Steering Column (very good)  $100.00
69 Cutlass/442 Front Bumper (good cond) $100.00
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 LH Fender (no rust holes)  $350.00
69 RH Fender (small nickel sized hole)  $275.00
69 Rear Bumper (V05 rub strip) one small ding  $185.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $75.00 ea
69 Tail Light Bezels  (mint)  $150.00 pr
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $40.00 ea

70 Cutlass/442
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea
70 RH Sport Mirror Shell  $40.00
SSII Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
70 F-85 Horn Button (cheap style wheel, excellent)  $10.00
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00
70 C/S Wide side moldings  $20.00 ea
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00
S Hood Chrome Vents  $35.00 pr
S Hood Vent Moldings  $35.00 pr
"S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr
Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $90.00
Black A/C Dash Pads  $100.00 ea
Blue Auto Shift Console  $125.00 (w/shifter)
70-71 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70-72 RH Fender (needs patch panel)   $145.00
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens   $10.00 ea
70-72 Cutlass S Vinyl Top rear moldings (few pits)  $8.00 pr
70 Cutlass Supreme Flat Hood   $125.00

71 Cutlass/442
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
SSII/III Wheels  (set of 4)  $160.00
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00
71 Front Rocket Emblem (nice)  $5.00

72 Cutlass/442
71-72 10 Bolt 2.56:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 10 Bolt 2.73:1 (open rear)  $75.00
71-72 Sport Mirrors (excellent cond)  $100.00 pr
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00
SSII/III Wheels (set of 4)  $160.00
72 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (excellent)  $110.00 set
71-72 Cutlass S/442 Hood Louvers (nice)  $35.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed type)  $55.00



Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
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