
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, September 13 1997     Volume 01 : Number 846



UNBOUNCE: Parts wanted
Re: Bogging?
Re: Tire Size 
Re: Dr. Olds posters
Olsa cars and parts
Re: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds 
Re: Dr. Olds posters
Re: Needed - 61 98 interior light lenses
Re: UNBOUNCE: production figures
decode a gm 4spd please!!!!!!!!
W-MACHINES QUESTION
Re: Power Windows!
Question on car values
wanted: 394 4V intake
Re: wanted: ram air
E-400 motor
Re: 455 Rebuild Parts
Re: U-joint Strap for '70 SX
Re: [none]
56 T'lite f/s
N/O: 69 GPrix 140 speedo f/s
Lisa's an addict!
Al's 71 W30 hood
Re: Question on car values
69 Cut 2DR post parts
Rocket Science Parts & Services
RS parts cars
OLDS Interchanging
Mail problems
Re: Dr. Olds posters
Re: OLDS Interchanging
UNBOUNCE: Mail Problems
UNBOUNCE: decode a gm 4spd please!!!!!!!!
Re: O.C.A.  why join?
Re: wanted: ram air
Re: Kick down switch
Re: wanted: ram air
Re: Al's 71 W30 hood
Olds in Europe
84 H/O engine swap
Re: Dr. Olds posters
Re: Al's 71 W30 hood
Parts for my 442
UNBOUNCE: advice on 86 Olds Frienza
Re: 84 H/O engine swap
Oldsmobile Division Thank you
Delta 88 Rough Idle
UNBOUNCE: Parts for my 442
Re: 70-72 OAI Base
Hello?  anybody there?
Re: O.C.A. why join?
Re: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:17:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Parts wanted

This person isn't on the list so reply directly...


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:47:33 -0400 (EDT)
From:	HEMIOLDS@aol.com
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Mallory Rev-pol Distributor for 400, 425, or 455 Olds.
60's vintage M&H Racemaster Slicks.  7'' wide on 15'' rim.

Thank You,
Gene

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:16:02 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Bogging?

Gee did anyone think to change the filter? or how about if it does it
when it is warm?

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: Olds8873@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tire Size 

Hi,Gary,
Doesn't Coker Tire sell a fiberglass or 4 ply tire like the ones Goodyear &
Firestone used to sell? I've done some checking with Firestones used tire
rack & have found some good used 4-ply black & white-walls in your size.

W. Taylor 
Olds8873

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:35:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dr. Olds posters

When I was a kid, my dad, who is an Olds dealer, brought home a whole box of
those posters. There must have been 50 or 100 of each one. My sis and I used
them to color on, make our own posters, etc. I think we had them for several
years before we used them up.

How's that for throwing away money? 

Jon Wessel

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:36:43 -0400
From: "Terry & Tammy" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Olsa cars and parts

Ok list here are a few things listed in a local paper thatI get on
Thursdays..I know nothing about the cars or parts but here they are if
anyone can use the info...


350 Olds block and pistons and crank $50.00 or best offer 704- 728-2634
after 5pm

350 Olds engine runs $200.00 obo. 704-728-2634 after 5pm

79 Olds 403 lows miles, complete turnkey $300.00 704 663-2987

76-77 Olds cutlass bumpers $20.00  704-538-8925

47 Olds parts car 704-241-3593

63 Olds F-85 (parts) 704-894-3477

81 Olds Cutlass Supreme body parts  704-466-0818

79 Olds Delta 88  runs good needs master cylinder. lass than 100k
$400.00 704-495-8406

85 Olds custom cruiser  for parts, good engine,trans and body. $500.00 
704-263-9721

70 Olds 98 new paint and engine 704-757-3995

72 Olds cutlass supreme engine and trans restored, very sound car
$1900.00 704-466-3949

71 Olds cutlass supreme 2nd owner good condition $750.00 704-538-8925

hope this helps someone.

Terry Teague	
68 Delta Custom
Hickory NC

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:52:23 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds 

I don't get it !!!!!

	The General

- ----------
> From: Kevin Hoopingarner <khooping@bright.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds 
> Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 8:48 PM
> 
> 
> Though everyone might like a little humor. 
> 
> Enjoy!!
> 
> 
> SUBJ: Comprehending Computer Scientists -- Take Two
> 
> Four men rode in a car: a mechanical engineer, an electrical
> engineer, a chemical engineer, and a computer engineer.
> 
> The car stalled out.
> 
> The mechanical engineer said, "It must be the pistons; let's repair
> them and be on our way."
> 
> The electrical engineer said, "It has to be the spark plugs; we'll
> replace them and be ready to roll in no time at all."
> 
> The chemical engineer said. "No, it's got to be bad gas; we'll flush
> the system and be on our way."
> 
> They turned to the computer engineer. "What do you think we should
> do?" they asked.
> 
> The computer engineer shrugged and said, "Let's get out of the car,
> close the doors, then get back in and try restarting it."
> 
> 
> 
> Kevin Hoopingarner
> '70 Olds 442 W-30
> Findlay OH.
> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:58:53 -0700
From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Re: Dr. Olds posters

>    Well, the other day I received my Dr Olds posters that I ordered while
in Lansing from the RE Olds museum.  These are the black and white reprints
of the four posters from '69.  2 W-31's (SCHWING), 4-4-2 W-30 and a
'family' portrait.  Look real nice, except the corners got a little
crunched during shipping (man I hate that as it's happened to me before
when I've ordered posters)  They measure about 15" x 22" each and cost
approx $48 including shipping (they were out of the posters at the musuem
at the time)  Highly recommended if you have a 4-4-2 W-30 or especially a
W-31 from 1969, or if you just want W-machine memorabilia.

Are these the same ones that Year One has in their catalog???

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442
*1963 LeSabre

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:55:25 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Needed - 61 98 interior light lenses

bill wrote:
 
> Mike Fusick does not have them.  Does anyone know if Buick, Pontiac,
> Cadillac, or Chevrolet used these same lenses?

Bill

My '61 Holiday sedan used the same lenses that you need.  I think I
replaced mine with a pair from a '61 Bonneville.  You could probably do
the same, don't think anyone would know the difference.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:20:02 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: production figures

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
 
> Recently I bought the "Illustrated Oldsmobile Buyer's Guide", which has a
> Vista Cruiser chapter in which production figures are given.
> I own a '64 VC Custom, but only production figures for Standard versions are
> given (1,305).
> Does anybody know the production figures for the '64 VC Custom (8-passenger)?
> 
> Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands

Jim,

Don't know why that book only lists "standard" Vista Cruisers.  Just
goes to prove that you can't always believe what you read.

The most recent Encyclopedia of American Cars says this:

Body Code         Model                               Production #s

3055              F-85 Vista Cruiser wgn 4d, 2 seat   1305
3065              F-85 Vista Cruiser wgn 4d, 3 seat   2089
3255              Cutlass Custom wgn 4d, 2 seat       3320
3265              Cutlass Custom wgn 4d, 3 seat       7286

The 1964 Oldsmobile Colors and Fabrics book lists the Custom Vista
Cruiser 3 seat as model #265.  So even though the EofAC lists a Cutlass
Custom wagon, it's actually your Vista Cruiser model.  I don't have any
knowledge of Olds calling Vistas by the Cutlass name in '64.  At any
rate, looks like you have one of 7286.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:23:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: decode a gm 4spd please!!!!!!!!

hi everyone!!!!!
 i was off line for about 3 wks due 2 my monitor catching fire. must have
been a chevy!!!!! i have endless e-mails 2 read, i dont want to miss anything
but im reading away........

>>my question is.. i bought a 4spd auto 4 my 86 salon, it has a yellow horiz.
tag on it, and it reads "o" on the left and "g" on the right. any info will
be apprec.
 also do i have to move the trans cross member back??
>>>also picked up a h/o cat-back dual exh, $175 for trans ans exh..
its nice to be back on-line
thanks in advance...........BERNIE
67 F-85
67 442 conv
86 cut/saln
69 mach-1
RCKTPWR@AOL.COM

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:01:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: W-MACHINES QUESTION

Hello! I have a 1970 Cutlass w31. It has a manual transmission. On the sales
sheet it says that the car was equipped with a manual trans 3 speed. My
question is how many 70 w31's were made with the manual 3 spd trans? The car
now has a four speed in it and I was just wondering if a 3 spd is rare.
Thanks!

DROLDS350@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Power Windows!

To All
   For your information GM still makes the motors for the power windows the
part #s are 5045664 and 5045665 they cover from 1955 to 1979. Sorry but the
power regulators have been discontinued for the 68s.

  Alan Kohler
  Rockton, IL

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:07:44 -0500
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Question on car values

To All:

I'm looking for input on the value of a couple of Cutlasses I've located
near my home.

1. 72 Cutlass Supreme - runs, interior shot, moderate to severe rust in
usual places, some collision damage right fender and door, 350 4bbl,
complete except for back seat. Asking $500.

2. 71 Cutlass Supreme - 350 4bbl (seized due to no coolant), very little
rust, minor collison damage, complete, original interior in good
condition but showing some fading and age, complete trim except one
dented grill and a broken taillight. Asking way too much, but Old Cars
Price Guide says $1550-2600 for conditions 5-4.

Opinions?

JR
72 Cutlass S

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: wanted: 394 4V intake

Have a buyer for a 394's 4-barrel intake manifold.

Anyone got one? I have *no* 394 parts, ashamed to say! Do have one partially
paid for, but it's a 2V I think.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:32:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: wanted: ram air

i flew into chicargo to see a hood desert dog had not to long ago he wanted
$350. all 4 corners were broke badly the frame was rotted and the center was
burned from a fire. And believe it or not i would have taken it but 350+150
shipping just wasnt worth it. the shipping was just to much. Im really
looking to trade a 66 olds tripower complete for it. Manifold, carbs,air
cleaners etc. Maybe someone will come looking for me. thanks for the help
guys. Maybe ill give ddogap another ring.

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:42:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: E-400 motor

On the E-400 motor, Jim Chermack writes:
- -They rev higher than any other BB...

[[Even the 425?]]

- -the lifters are around $150 a set...

[[Last set I bought was about $90- try National Automotive Lines, JC Whitney,
and Engine Service Group. ]]

- -Also the flex plate or the flywheels
are different from 68 and later. The bolt pattern is funky. So you MUST have
one of the 66-67 parts. Otherwise it's just like any other Olds engine. Hope
this helps.

[[Unless, of course, you use one of my race-proven universal flexplates, fit
all the V8 engines '64 thru 90 or whenever they quit making them. -RS]]

[[66 TC & W motors had "dash-1" heads? Dang, another thing to add to the FAQ I
guess... so, you say this was after the *casting* number. Are you saying the
very casting was different, with a CAST-in "-1" after the casting ID, or same
old casting, but with a STAMPED-in "-1" after the cast ID, or a stamped in "-1"
after the typical Engine Unit Number which was stamped into the front of the RH
head?
  The cast-in casting ID mentioned above would be the 6-digit id found usually
on pre-68 heads among the valvesprings, and split into 3-n-3 on each side of
the lower center RACover bolt on later heads. ]]

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:37:12 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 455 Rebuild Parts

>On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
>> Wow, is AOL allowing you to put picutures in your .sig files? And here I
>> thought that the list was just *very* active today (i.e. two digests, each
>> with 13+ parts!).
>> 
>> OK, drop that 73OLDS~9.TIF file from any mail you send; it, uh, doesn't come
>> across too good...
>
>Forget it, Dr. Bob... the person is no longer here. I removed him after 
>those not-so-little nuggets filled my mailbox this morning...

Ah, well... I was going to suggest he use Paint Shop to convert that file to
.jpg format; that way, his unreadable binary attachments would be much
smaller in size, with little effect on the overall quality of the picture we
receive here on the digest.

BTW, Greg; sometimes you forward "bounced" mail to the list that in fact has
already made it through to the list. No big deal, we just read it twice; a
lot less work than you trying to avoid duplicate posts by checking if a
bounced message did make it to the list (man, you deserve a raise! How about
we double your salary for this full-time list admin thing?). Just thought
you'd like to know.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:37:06 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: U-joint Strap for '70 SX

>>The (one) original u-bolt that holds the u-joint to the rear pinion is too
>>corroded to use, but I can't seem to find the proper replacements. I
>>got a pair yesterday, but the nuts aren't engaging fully on the bolt.
>>Does anyone have a manufacturer and part # for one of these U-bolts,
>>or good luck replacing them with a U-bolt designed for something else?
>*******************************************
>You are right! I bought  Borg Warner replacement U-bolts and they are
>TOO SHORT. But, you DO get barely enough thread engagement if you omit
>the lockwashers. 

That's what I ended up doing; the nuts do engage until the thread is flush
with the surface of the nut, but I'd like a bit more clearance there. BTW,
the application on the little pack said for "1968-73 GM"

>Original GM versions may still be available.....check
>the dealer. 

I'm going to put an order into Year One for some other stuff, and they list
a pair of those U-bolts for what the parts store wants for *one* of the
too-short ones, so I'll order them and see if they're the real thing. Will
post results.

>BTW, I have a set of the too-short U-bolts on my 72 W30
>which is currently equipped with a 70 3.42 12 Bolt "O"
>rear..............so far so good, even after dozens of low 13 second
>passes! I would recommend blue Loctite on the nuts though! I have a
>few sets of NOS GM U-bolts but I can't remember exactly where they
>are......if I find them I'll post the P/N. 

Thanks! Yeah, I'm not too worried about the too-short ones; right now their
only task is to keep the driveshaft off the ground! (maybe it will run next
week...) Even once it's running, though, the real force is transmitted to
the yoke itself, and the u-bolts just keep the U-joint located in the yoke,
so they shouldn't be experiencing much force. Will put that locktite on
there, though!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 04:37:09 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: [none]

>"David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
>Subject: [none]
>
>who oldsmobile

you oldsmobile

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:13:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 56 T'lite f/s

I have this '56 Olds taillight I picked up somewhere, it needs a home. Good
shape, good condition too. Just the one red plastic part w/ attached silvery
chrome trim.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:15:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: N/O: 69 GPrix 140 speedo f/s

Offered to folks here 1st:
69 Gran Prix 140 mph speedo, other gages too.
Similar to 68-9 Cutlass in shape & mounting, adaptable? I dunno, you find out?

Should accurately read your car's speed just like your old one.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:18:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Lisa's an addict!

Subject: '64 VIN decode
- --snip 64 info--
Go to retrieve it tomorrow to stash at my friends house :-)
                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Lisa Madsen

Stashing them at another location so as to not get caught, not telling the
spouse... aren't these the signs of obsession?

Not that *I* would ever do that sort of thing... ;-)
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:21:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Al's 71 W30 hood

My big quest is an original OAI (ram
air) hood for my 71 442. I think I have E-Mailed everyone in the U.S. but
have only found one hood that the person will not sell. Any help would be
appreciated. It's funny because I'm selling my set of (5) SSI's with the
center caps so I can put  the SSII's on my 442. I think they look much
better. Each to his own I guess. Good talking to you.
Al Barlow

Al, there's one on a local parts car here, the experimental intake car, but the
hood inner frame is quite rusty, the chrome latches are gone, has pop rivets
thru the glass to h*lp hold the frame on... needs a lot of work to be
presentable. And, the car is $3000 asking price. Granted, a lot of other parts,
too, but... what's a crusty old hood worth, max? I guessed $500 max for such a
part.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:28:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Question on car values

In a message dated 97-09-13 00:18:30 EDT, you write:

<< 1. 72 Cutlass Supreme - runs, interior shot, moderate to severe rust in
 usual places, some collision damage right fender and door, 350 4bbl,
 complete except for back seat. Asking $500.
 
 2. 71 Cutlass Supreme - 350 4bbl (seized due to no coolant), very little
 rust, minor collison damage, complete, original interior in good
 condition but showing some fading and age, complete trim except one
 dented grill and a broken taillight. Asking way too much, but Old Cars
 Price Guide says $1550-2600 for conditions 5-4.
  >>
OK, the 1st one is worth about 50 bucks, maybe 75 for scrap and the second
one with damage is probably a 500.00 car due to seized engine,  thats my
opinion and thats all I would pay

W MACHINES

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:34:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: 69 Cut 2DR post parts

I have aqured a 69 Cutlass 2Dr post car.  Its Palomino gold poly with gold
interior. Car was built in Lansing.  I have forsale both doors and the door
panels and side glass.  If anyone is interest, please email me and I can give
more details of the car.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

wmachines@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:42:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Rocket Science Parts & Services

Since a lotta folks never saw this, are unaware of the universal flexplate,
etc....

  ------------------------------------------------------------------
                Rocket Science Parts & Services
                     for the Oldsmobile V8
                              8/97

 -- Oil Pump Drive Rod. ** See note below
Heat treated aircraft quality 4140 Chrome moly steel. Well over 50% more
torque capability than stock units. Why chance it? None finer is known to
exist. Others use 4130 steel... this one 'goes to eleven'. $10 each, $50
per 10-pack.
     [Compare at nearly $30 EACH elsewhere.]

 -- Main Bearing Cap Girdles.
Hardened aircraft quality 4130 Chrome-moly steel, surface ground.
1/2 x 1 x 5". Strengthen and support this critical area on the center
three [or front four] bearings. Big blocks: Front cap must be milled to
fit stock oil pan. Caps can be milled for use with windage trays, or use
longer bolts [or studs] and stock bearing caps. Small blocks' main
caps must be milled flat, and studs or longer bolts used, unless 3/8" is
milled from caps. $10 each, use 3 or 4 per engine.

  -- Split timing cover.
The top half comes right off. Remove and replace cam, or simply alter
cam timing, without the hassle of disturbing the oil pan and harmonic
balancer. Made from recycled covers. $35 with new front main seal in
place, $25 bare.

   -- Universal Flexplate.
Fits both the early series V8's [pre-'68] and late series ['68 & up].
Fully serviceable recycled units $55; made from new $90. Includes
all hardware necessary for installation & thread lock compound. No other
vendor offers this unique product. Race-tested.

   -- Indexable roller timing set.
Double roller chain and sprockets, with 0-2-4 degree advance/ retard
bushings. You *do* index your cam upon installation, right? $60.

   -- Damage-free Dipstick Tube Extractor, Olds engines '68 & up
   If you have headers, you need to extract the dipstick guide tube in
order to pull the motor... If you need a big block dipstick guide tube
you can often get one at the junkyard- IF you can extract it without
mangling the end or breaking it off.
   Takes just 1 minute to obtain a perfectly serviceable and presentable
guide tube. Works 9 times out of 10; sometimes they are rusted or stuck so
bad that they break off anyway. Get 10 or more tubes in one boneyard trip-
pays for itself in one day. Works on any  dipstick guide tube having 5/16"
ID and 3/8" OD. Steel, $50, and well worth it.
>> Temporarily unable to make these; I ain't selling my only one! -RS

  -- Harmonic Balancer Repair Sleeve.
Stainless steel sleeve presses onto the worn seal surface of the
balancer, ensuring minimal leakage and longest possible seal life.
$5 each, installation sealant included. The "M" vendor gets $8 each
for these, a significant difference if you are planning more than one
motor [and who isn't?].  Installation tool, assures smooth and square
installation of the sleeves, $10.

  -- Degreed Harmonic Balancer.
Degreed 0-50, every 90 degrees. Sleeved seal surface, ready to install.
Suitable for late engines: 1968 & up 350, G400, 455, etc. Early engine
dampers [330, 425, E400] subject to availability, or you can use the late
style if you rebalance. These units are USED, still serviceable. $60.
Wider style or stepped 1968-70 style slightly higher, subject to
availability.

  -- Degreasing Solvent.
Non-flammable alkaline chemical removes oily residue. Use it after the
solvent tank, and/or before painting. Rinse with water & blow dry. Can be
diluted. Great stuff, highly recommended.  $17/gal.

  -- Cam installation aid.
Computer designed and analyzed! [as if that helps!] Handle screws into
the cam, provides support during removal or insertion, avoiding cam
bearing damage. Steel, 18" long. $10

  -- Parts: Genuine GM parts.
UBU [Used but useful] rebuildable core engines, body parts, etc. Common
parts cheap. Currently have an NOS '69 442 W30 AT carb #7029254.
    Parts cars:
1962 Cutlass Convertible, 1964 Jetstar 88 4dr, 65 Delta 88 4dr, 65 Starfire, 66
Delta 88 2dr, 66-68-70 Toronado, 66-67 & 68-72 C & CSup, 73 Cutlass Supreme,
74-5-6-7 Cutlass, 67 & 2-68 98 LS's, 68-70-72 Vista Cruiser, 70 & 73 Delta 88,
78 Holiday 88, 81 Delta, 85 Cutlass Salon, etc. '69 Cutlass S: Beautiful Gold
bucket seats & console interior, exceptionally nice original condition. S/442
style hood, front bumper, fender & door trims. 12-bolt 2.73 open differential.
Black f/s steering column, not tilt. '67 Cutlass Supreme: good Blue buckets &
console interior, buckets need recovering. Very nice front clip. 330-4V motor,
runs great. Jetaway trans. 12-bolt differential.

   Heads: A, B (bv), C (sv & bv), E (bv)*, G (bv), Ga, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-7a, etc.
SB heads to convert 403 engines to 9.5:1 compression POWERplants. Toronado oil
pan. Pre-EGR intakes. Exhaust manifolds, std. or dual-xst. DISC BRAKE
conversion components. Glass, mirrors, trim pieces, knobs, switches, etc.

   Engines, runnable & core motors:
1970 455-4V core motor, E heads, long block, no carb or externals, w/ intake,
wants rebuild, $100. Others include: 1968 Toronado 455-4V-C, 1968 98 455-4V-C,
1970 455-2V-E, etc. Have small block motor cores also, 330's, 350's, 403's. No
wimpy 260 or 307's.

   T3 headlights, cleaned & tested, $40 set of 4 or will sell Hi-beam
bulbs separately at $5 each. No separate Lo-beam sales; too rare.

   * = NOS parts.

  -- Information:
What to look for, and avoid, in a core big block engine. Where to find
the best core motors, cheap. How to identify heads, blocks, intakes, etc.
What's valuable vs. what's lame. Where to find Olds parts & info.
Free via email.

  -- In the works...
Technical manual? Book on how to ID Olds parts & where to find them?
Including real parts that you might actually run across, not just
'64-72 442 parts.
   Instructions on how to make your own lifter valley tray out of used
bathtub type intake gaskets. How to make your own solid lifters ** for
checking valve-piston clearance, degreeing in the cam, etc. Instructions
on modification to make  dipstick guide tube remove & install painless-
for you folks with headers who need to pull the motor often.
    What sort of info would you like to see, say, in a tech manual??

** Free sample with any order, on request, while supplies last.

          *-*-*-* WANTED WANTED WANTED *-*-*-*
Physical proof that Solid Main Web 403 engines exist. I will buy a block,
or pay for photos, and toss in $50 in RS stuff, that show without a doubt that
these exist. Said to be mainly "4A" blocks made in late 1977, but most "4A"
blocks are open main webs, just like all the "4B" blocks.

Photos or measurements of the the cam bank angle of a known 1967 330
"3" engine. Contact me if you have one of these #3 blocks apart; I can
explain how to measure & provide the special tools needed.

And, of course, always looking for '68-9 W30/W31 parts...
          *-*-*-* WANTED WANTED WANTED *-*-*-*

 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Chris Witt                             *the* Rocket Scientist
1303 W. Miller Rd.                           "Rocket Science"
Lansing, MI 48911                www.442.com/olds [Suppliers]
517-882-9747                           wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

  -- How to order:
Since this is not exactly a business, just a hobby that has gotten out
of hand you should probably just email or call me & we can discuss your
needs and whether I can be of any assistance.  Or, you can mail me a
list describing what you are looking for and the minimum acceptable
condition. Bear in mind that this IS Michigan, so rust is a factor
on exterior & sheetmetal parts. However, some of the parts cars are
from better locales [the '68 98LS & 67 CSup for example].
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:44:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: RS parts cars

3/18/97

RS Parts cars on hand

> Color   Yr    Model   Mdl Spcl    Body    VIN
  -------------------------------------------------------------
> Blue    62    Cs                  Conv    621M23445
> Blue    64    JStr-88             4dr     834M091796
> Blue    65    Dyn88               4dr     356695M140587
> Blue    66    Cs                  HC      338176M288554
> Red     66    Toro    Dlx         2dr     396876M510799
> White   66    Toro    Dlx         2dr     396876M507349
> Blue    67    98      LS          4dr     386697M214653
> Silver  67    Cs                  2dr     -GONE-
> Blue    67    Cs      Sup         HC      338177Mxxxxxx

> Color   Yr    Model   Mdl Spcl    Body    VIN
 -------------------------------------------------------------
> Blue    68    98      LS                  386698M320887
> Green   68    98      LS          4dr     386698M123770???
> ?       68    CS      S           Conv    33667M387130 ???
> Green   68    CS      S           HC      3368781137694
> White?  68    Cs      S           Conv
> Black   68    Toro                2dr     394878M615566
> Blue    68    VC                  wagon   ?????
> Gold    69    CS      S           HC      336879M336697
> Green   69    CS      S           HC      336879M127228

> Color   Yr    Model   Mdl Spcl    Body    VIN
  -------------------------------------------------------------
> Green   69    Cs      S           2dr     342879Z134453
> Brown   70    Toro                2dr     ????
> Green   71    Cs      S           4dr     3G69H2R120005
> green   71    Cs      S                   336871M141063
> Red     71    Cs                  HC      332871M1?8306
> Green   71    Delta88             4dr     -GONE-
> Red     72    442                 HC      3G87H2M204181
> Blue    72    Cs                  wagon   3G36H2M208198
> Beige   73    CSup                4dr     3J29K3M111859

> Color   Yr    Model   Mdl Spcl    Body    VIN
  -------------------------------------------------------------
> Blue?   73    Delta88 Royale      2dr     ???
> Brown   74    CSup                4dr     3J29H6M416526
> Blue    75    Cs                  2dr     3F37H5M293753
> Brown   75    D88     Royale              3N39K5M330928
> Beige   76    CSup                        3M57R6M125681
> Red     77    CS      S                   3G29F7M443771
> Blue    77    D88                         3N37L7MOD276162
> Blue/Bk 77    D88     Royale      4dr     3N69R7M144156
> Blue    78    D88                 4dr     35469OA0M232495

> Color   Yr    Model   Mdl Spcl    Body    VIN
  -------------------------------------------------------------
> White?  78    Hol-88  Holiday     2dr     ???
> Blue    79    Cs      Salon       ?       3G87AAM452302
> Brown   79    Cs Crusr            Wagon   1G3AH35F9BD450785
> Brown   79    Toro                2dr     1G3AZ57N2CE302499
> Green   79    Toro                2dr     OD1G3AZ57NXBE335359
> Brown   81    D88                         1G3AL69Y2BM323493
> Green   81    D88     Royale              1G3AN69N4BM327620
> Brown   77?   D88                 4dr     3N69K7M359110
> Blue    79?   Cs Crusr            Wagon   3H35H9R452898


Additions since original list:
> Color   Yr    Model   Mdl Spcl    Body    VIN
  -------------------------------------------------------------
  Blue    66    D88                 2dr     _________________
  Red     85    Cs      Salon       2dr     _________________
  Blue    76    D88     HolSed      4dr     3N39R6M357222
  Brown?  83    Cutlass Calais      2dr     1G3AK47Y7DM537979
  Blue?   65    88      Starfire    2dr     _________________
  Blue    65    88                  4dr     _________________
  ??      69    Cs      ?           Conv    3??67????????
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 01:19:27 -0500
From: "Tracy A. Crawford" <tracyc@centraltx.net>
Subject: OLDS Interchanging

I am looking to replace the 260cid engine in my 81 cutlass with an Olds
350 will the bolt pattern of the 350 match up with my TH 200 Auto
Transmission.  Anything else I should be aware of in making the swap.
THANX!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:35:06 PDT
From: "Mike Rothe" <hurstolds69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Mail problems

Hello to all in Oldsmobile land.  For whatever reason, I'm having 
problems with my regular e-mail at work either sending or receiving.  So 
I'm blindly sending this message out there, hoping someone will be able 
to see it.  I'm using my "hotmail" e-mail to send this instead of my 
normal mode.

Question.   Someone was telling me about the 70-72 OAI air cleaner bases 
being larger in diameter than a "normal" air cleaner.  They claimed they 
had one that was bigger since it was from an OAI.  Now, I may be crazy, 
but the last time I checked, the diameter for all the 70-72 4bbl air 
cleaner bases were the same.  Anyone ever hear of this?  I think the 
snorkel part looks a tad larger, but not the base itself.

Any ideas?

(I'll be able to read replies when I get home)

Mike Rothe

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:06:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dr. Olds posters

I went to Lansing and found some great drols posters. I payed 30.00 for them.
I got home and had them framed.

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:14:25 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: OLDS Interchanging

I have a 84 TH 200 in my 78 olds 88 with a 350 in it, (I'd much 
rather have a 350, but thats what I could find in a junkyard when I 
was in a jam) In anycase, the only problem I had was the kickdown 
cable was shorter on the 200 than it was on the 350, with the engine 
size displacement, might want to get a longer cable. Also, you really 
arnt going to like the 200 shifting pattern with switching the 
engines, it will work, but you can tell they wernt designed for each 
other, might want to invest in a 350 or 400 trainy for future 
reference. ( I really liked the 400 trainy, because it just shifted 
so smooth)

> I am looking to replace the 260cid engine in my 81 cutlass with an Olds
> 350 will the bolt pattern of the 350 match up with my TH 200 Auto
> Transmission.  Anything else I should be aware of in making the swap.
> THANX!
> 
- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Consumer's Guide", Sears, Roebuck and Co. (1897)

If you don't find it in the Index, look very carefully through the entire catalogue. 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:19:40 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Mail Problems

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Mike Rothe" <hurstolds69@hotmail.com>
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Mail problems

Hello to all in Oldsmobile land.  For whatever reason, I'm having 
problems with my regular e-mail at work either sending or receiving.  So 
I'm blindly sending this message out there, hoping someone will be able 
to see it.  I'm using my "hotmail" e-mail to send this instead of my 
normal mode.

Question.   Someone was telling me about the 70-72 OAI air cleaner bases 
being larger in diameter than a "normal" air cleaner.  They claimed they 
had one that was bigger since it was from an OAI.  Now, I may be crazy, 
but the last time I checked, the diameter for all the 70-72 4bbl air 
cleaner bases were the same.  Anyone ever hear of this?  I think the 
snorkel part looks a tad larger, but not the base itself.

Any ideas?

(I'll be able to read replies when I get home)

Mike Rothe

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:21:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: decode a gm 4spd please!!!!!!!!

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:23:10 -0400 (EDT)
From:	RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: decode a gm 4spd please!!!!!!!!

hi everyone!!!!!
 i was off line for about 3 wks due 2 my monitor catching fire. must have
been a chevy!!!!! i have endless e-mails 2 read, i dont want to miss anything
but im reading away........

>>my question is.. i bought a 4spd auto 4 my 86 salon, it has a yellow horiz.
tag on it, and it reads "o" on the left and "g" on the right. any info will
be apprec.
 also do i have to move the trans cross member back??
>>>also picked up a h/o cat-back dual exh, $175 for trans ans exh..
its nice to be back on-line
thanks in advance...........BERNIE
67 F-85
67 442 conv
86 cut/saln
69 mach-1
RCKTPWR@AOL.COM

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:51:48
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: O.C.A.  why join?

At 09:43 PM 9/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I was just curious, why should one join the O.C.A.?  I been thinking 
>about joining for some time and would like to know more.  When I bought 
>my car, it came with some back issues of Journey With Olds.  Nice 
>monthly "newsletter" plus, free ads. (I have a OCA brochure already)
>
>I'm sure I'll be getting some answers on this one, since I've noticed 
>many of you on the list are members.
>
>Thanks for any feedback.

The primary benefit is the monthly magazine you mention, Journey with Olds,
which has articles about Oldsmobiles and such (obviously!) and an extensive
classified section with strictly Olds-related cars, parts, and services.
As an OCA member, you can place an ad for free.  You also get the
priviledge of joining one of their many chapters.  You can't be a member of
a chapter unless you are first a member of the OCA.  Most of the chapters
are geographical (North Texas, Western New York, Mid-Ohio, that sort of
thing), but there is a small but growing number of chapters that are
national and are devoted to a particular model.  For example, there's a
Toronado chapter, a Starfire/Jetstar I chapter, a 1957 Chapter, and a
Performance Chapter.  You can, of course, belong to more than one chapter,
and each usually has a nominal yearly dues ($10?) and a monthly magazine or
newsletter.

There is also the yearly OCA Nationals, which will be held in Springfield,
Illinois next July.  I'm not sure if you must be a member of OCA in order
to be able to participate in the show.

The dues aren't exactly cheap ($30 per year for third-class postage, $40 if
you want your JWO mailed first-class), but I think it's generally worth it.  


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:21:03 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: wanted: ram air

At 03:42 PM 9/12/97 PDT, you wrote:
>There's a guy in Westchester, IL (outside Chicago) by the name of Bob
Cline who runs Desert Dog Auto Parts.  I bought my 69 W-31 from him along
with parts for various cars, very satisfied with him.  He was at Lansing
and had a 71/72 ram air hood for sale that was taken off a car early in its
life if I remember correctly, had beautiful blue paint.  He was asking
$1000.  His # is 708-409-1040 or email at ddogap@aol.com
>Let him know I sent ya.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>chris@abcs.com
>
>1969 W-31
>and others
>
>
>Thanks Chris, I'll try them again. I called them about a month ago and
they did not have one.

Al Barlow

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:25:00 -0500
From: Tom & Jodie Martin <tmartin@genevaonline.com>
Subject: Re: Kick down switch

On the kick down, look at the carb for the T.V. cable, that it the Throttle
Valve cable, which replaces the downshift cable like the older THM 350's.  

To adjust (the cable stretches over time, I do this every 6 months or so),
press the button on the cable adjuster at the bracket in (can be hard to
press), and push cable in from the away from the carb.  Then (engine off
please) move the throttle to full throttle.  Failure to do this last step can
damage the transmission!!  DO NOT drive a THM 200 4R or THM 200C with the TV
cable out of adjust, this can kill one of these transmissions.  It will click
till it self adjusts to the correct setting.  That is all.  Very easy
proceedure.  A GM dealer trans guy told me of I wanted slightly better shifts
to move it away from the carb (or Thottle body) one notch after it is set
correctly, but if you are like me and stand on it (WOT) now and then, it will
reset itself.  If you have any questions email me directly.  The THM 200C, THM
200 4R, THM 700 R4, and the THM 440-T4 (86 up Delta 88 FWD) are all the same. 
I do have an 1985 Olds Service Manual, so I can refer to it if you need more.

Thomas Martin 
85 Cutlass Supreme 350

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:22:19 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: wanted: ram air

Thanks, I'll take a look at these magazines.
Al Barlow
Thomaston, Maine

At 05:58 PM 9/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>$1600.00 seems a bit steep, have you looked at Car Craft or Hot Rod 
>magazines? Tword the back, they have alot of adds for Hoods, Hood 
>Scoops, ect, maybe this could be an alternative.
>
>
>> Date sent:      Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:21:35 -0400
>> To:             oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> From:           Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
>> Subject:        Re: wanted: ram air
>> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>> At 11:05 PM 9/9/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> > hi guys im looking for a 71-72 original ram air hood
>> >
>> Try this if you are really desparate. They want $1600 for the hood. I have
>> been looking for an original 71/72 OAI hood for quite some time but am not
>> willing to spend that kind of money. Their E-Mail is: IkanAuto@aol.com and
>> their phone is: 253-475-2624. I think their located in Washington state.
>> Good Luck.
>> 
>> Al Barlow
>> 1971 Olds 442 Convertible
>> 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
>> Thomaston, Maine
>> 
>> 
>> 
>-------------------------------------------------------
>Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
>Highland Community College
>Phone (815) 235-6121
>Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
>-------------------------------------------------------
>"Consumer's Guide", Sears, Roebuck and Co. (1897)
>
>If you don't find it in the Index, look very carefully through the entire
catalogue. 
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:27:34 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: Al's 71 W30 hood

At 01:21 AM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>My big quest is an original OAI (ram
>air) hood for my 71 442. I think I have E-Mailed everyone in the U.S. but
>have only found one hood that the person will not sell. Any help would be
>appreciated. It's funny because I'm selling my set of (5) SSI's with the
>center caps so I can put  the SSII's on my 442. I think they look much
>better. Each to his own I guess. Good talking to you.
>Al Barlow
>
>Al, there's one on a local parts car here, the experimental intake car,
but the
>hood inner frame is quite rusty, the chrome latches are gone, has pop rivets
>thru the glass to h*lp hold the frame on... needs a lot of work to be
>presentable. And, the car is $3000 asking price. Granted, a lot of other
parts,
>too, but... what's a crusty old hood worth, max? I guessed $500 max for
such a
>part.
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
>Chris,
I appreciate the help but I guess I'll continue to look for a reasonably
priced and restoreable hood. I know there must be one out there somewhere.
Al Barlow
Thomaston, Maine

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 23:38:18 +0200
From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Subject: Olds in Europe

Hello friends of Oldsmobile,

got some pictures in the net from an American Car meeting in Gent, Belgium
and the Meeting of the German Oldsmobile Club in Mindelheim, Bavaria to
celebrate the Centennial.

Was kind of hard to drive those 1000 miles to the two meetings with my ī56
88 at a speed of 65 mph with all other people going up to 120 mph. Love the
smaller roads normally but thatīs no use when you have to go such a long
distance.

Look the pictures at

http://bonn.netsurf.de/~Roland.Klinger

and follow the two links at the top of the page.

Greetings, Roland Klinger, Niederkassel, Germany

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:26:28 -0400
From: Steve <smickle@ismi.net>
Subject: 84 H/O engine swap

I wonder if anyone out there in Oldsmobile land can advise me as to the
problems I am likely to run into by substituting a 65 330 (built) for
the 307 in my 84 H/O.  I plan to use an aftermarket intake, probably
with headers, at least not with the stock manifolds.  I expect I will
have to replace the carb, and the HEI.  Perhaps, though, I am mistaken,
and will be able to leave the computer hooked up except for the smog
stuff?  If I disconnect the carb, HEI, and smog paraphenelia, will the
computer still work in relation to the voltage regulator, A/C, guages,
cruise control, neutral start switch, etc.?????  What about the trans? 
I have the option of using the 65 long block with the 84 setup, meaning
intake w/carb, exhaust manifolds, and the whole shebang, but I'd rather
"go for the gusto" and not choke the engine down with all the extra
hardware.  I would appreciate it greatly if someone who has actually
done this could advise me as to the pitfalls to expect.  Thanks.  
Steve.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:54:42 -0700
From: Suzanne Rousseau <ewok@clarkston.com>
Subject: Re: Dr. Olds posters

Suzanne Rousseau wrote:

> >    Well, the other day I received my Dr Olds posters that I ordered while
> in Lansing from the RE Olds museum.  These are the black and white reprints
> of the four posters from '69.  2 W-31's (SCHWING), 4-4-2 W-30 and a
> 'family' portrait.  Look real nice, except the corners got a little
> crunched during shipping (man I hate that as it's happened to me before
> when I've ordered posters)  They measure about 15" x 22" each and cost
> approx $48 including shipping (they were out of the posters at the musuem
> at the time)  Highly recommended if you have a 4-4-2 W-30 or especially a
> W-31 from 1969, or if you just want W-machine memorabilia.
>
> Are these the same ones that Year One has in their catalog???

                                                ^^^^^^^Oops!  I guess that
should say Supercars Unlimited.

>
>
> Paul Rousseau
> *1967 442
> *1963 LeSabre

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:22:57 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Al's 71 W30 hood

- ----------
> From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Al's 71 W30 hood
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 1997 12:27 PM
> 
> At 01:21 AM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >My big quest is an original OAI (ram
> >air) hood for my 71 442. I think I have E-Mailed everyone in the U.S.

Obviously no one has e-mailed me........I know of someone who has a 72 ram
air hood in their garage.  Stress cracks on the corners of the scoops, but
that's "normal".  Pretty good shape.  Not rotted.  He said he'd sell it to
me for 950.00.  If someone wants it really bad, I can probably still get it
for that.  Let me know, and we'll go from there.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: Parts for my 442

I have a 1986 442 and I would like to know if any one sells a engine rebuid
kit for it.  A high performance kit if possible.  I also want to know some
one that sells a rear wing that came on the hurst of the eighties and the
front rubber on the bottom of the hurst.  Any info would be greatly
appreciated. 

Thanks
Rishi G
RISHIG@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:17:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: advice on 86 Olds Frienza

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:38:04 -0400
From:	uknowme@mail.botanybay.net (Tim Grantmyer)
Subject: advice on 86 Olds Frienza

Hello all
I'm looking at buying a second car an 86 Olds Frienza its a four banger
and 4 door i think its a 2.0 litre. The doors and driver (back is broke)
seat are rough but thats about it. anything i should be wary of the guy
only wants $450 it needs 4 tires too.
Thanks
Tim
81 Cutlass Supreme (where's those fords)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:26:46 -0400
From: Brian Kennedy <kennedyb@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: 84 H/O engine swap

Steve wrote:
> 
> I wonder if anyone out there in Oldsmobile land can advise me as to the
> problems I am likely to run into by substituting a 65 330 (built) for
> the 307 in my 84 H/O.  I plan to use an aftermarket intake, probably
> with headers, at least not with the stock manifolds.  I expect I will
> have to replace the carb, and the HEI.  Perhaps, though, I am mistaken,
> and will be able to leave the computer hooked up except for the smog
> stuff?  If I disconnect the carb, HEI, and smog paraphenelia, will the
> computer still work in relation to the voltage regulator, A/C, guages,
> cruise control, neutral start switch, etc.?????  What about the trans?
> I have the option of using the 65 long block with the 84 setup, meaning
> intake w/carb, exhaust manifolds, and the whole shebang, but I'd rather
> "go for the gusto" and not choke the engine down with all the extra
> hardware.  I would appreciate it greatly if someone who has actually
> done this could advise me as to the pitfalls to expect.  Thanks.
> Steve.
I did a 455 into an 85 Cutlass......my recommendation is if you're going
to change it, make it wild!  Go large and ge rid of all your computers
and the like you won't be disappointed
Brian Kennedy
85 Cutlass/455
Yuma, AZ

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:25:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: FREDALL@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobile Division Thank you

I got a package yesterday from the Oldsmobile Centennial Team. In it was my
Centennial plaque and oter goodie stuff that I did not expect to receive. I
was unable to attend the Lansing show even though I had registered many
months ago.

I think it was above the responsibility of the Team to forward my plaque etc.


Thank you Oldsmobile and the Centennial Team. It wasn't as good as being
there but it helped.

Fred Allard   FREDALL@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:30:18 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Delta 88 Rough Idle

I've been interested to read the discussion this week about the rough 
idle on Mike's Delta. Mine has a similar rough idle. Not real bad, but 
enough to notice. Looking at the vac hoses under the hood, I suspect that 
19 years exceeds their service life, so I suspect one of them is the 
source of a vacuum leak and the roughness. I've already replaced the PCV 
valve to no effect. BTW, the old PCV was the strangest I've seen... 
looked almost like a "billet" PCV valve, sort of a machined casting, and 
heavy too. I think I still have it here somewhere. The replacement is the 
more usual kind.

My question is: does anyone happen to know what size vac hose is used for
the lines under the hood? I find it hard to tell without pulling some off
and going to the parts counter with it in hand. The truth of the matter is
I'm lazy and I'd prefer to just walk in and order 8 feet of 3/16 vac hose
or whatever it is I need. Also, is the line to the power brake booster
something special (i.e. a GM part) or could I find it at any place that
sells vac hose? I figure I mitaswell replace it and the check valve while
I'm at it.

If all that doesn't fix it I guess the next step involves the EGR valve, 
and I really know nothing about them...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(still hoping someone will find a nice set of red seats for this Delta)

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 22:32:01 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Parts for my 442

Not a member, so respond directly...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:	Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:59:39 -0400 (EDT)
From:	RISHIG@aol.com
Subject: Parts for my 442

I have a 1986 442 and I would like to know if any one sells a engine rebuid
kit for it.  A high performance kit if possible.  I also want to know some
one that sells a rear wing that came on the hurst of the eighties and the
front rubber on the bottom of the hurst.  Any info would be greatly
appreciated. 

Thanks
Rishi G
RISHIG@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:29:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70-72 OAI Base

In a message dated 97-09-13 10:31:54 EDT, you write:

<< From:	"Mike Rothe" <hurstolds69@hotmail.com>
 To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 Subject: Mail problems
 
 <<Question.   Someone was telling me about the 70-72 OAI air cleaner bases 
     being larger in diameter than a "normal" air cleaner.  They claimed they

     had one that was bigger since it was from an OAI.  Now, I may be crazy, 
     but the last time I checked, the diameter for all the 70-72 4bbl air 
     cleaner bases were the same.  Anyone ever hear of this?  I think the 
     snorkel part looks a tad larger, but not the base itself.


    I was under the impression that both standard and OAI bases were
identical with the exception of a 5 holes drilled into the bottom of the OAI
base to let any water run out and an additional ventilation inlet. The
dimensions of my 71 OAI base are, 16-1/2"dia.x 2-1/2"h   The snorkel meausres
 9-1/2"L x3-7/8"wx2-3/16"h @ the very end.

   BTW, subsequent to the Brothers Auto conversation held here, I did get my
OAI air cleaner top the other day.  Very nice piece.  I looks very original
including the part #'s.  I saw an original @ Summer Carlise and this one
looks identical.  The asking price for the original was $650.00.  The only
thing that does not look original,  and maybe Steve Kenny can verify this for
me, is the screw and nut attaching the vacuum arm to the flapper door.  This
screw has a pan head slotted screw with a nylon locknut on it ????

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: 13 Sep 1997 18:01:56 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Hello?  anybody there?

Just curious at the lack of digests for the last 2 days.

And why have people been sending ME "S*bscri*e" messages?

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:49:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: O.C.A. why join?

In a message dated 97-09-13 03:16:11 EDT, you write:

<< From:	mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
  
     I was just curious, why should one join the O.C.A.?  I been thinking 
     about joining for some time and would like to know more.  When I bought 
     my car, it came with some back issues of Journey With Olds.  Nice 
     monthly "newsletter" plus, free ads. (I have a OCA brochure already)
 
     I'm sure I'll be getting some answers on this one, since I've noticed 
     many of you on the list are members.  >>


RC (GIVO) Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

    There are many benifits to joining and originzation like the OCA.  First,
there is JWO.  This is a great publication with good articles, show coverage,
tech. support and of course the classified section.  I have had extremely
good luck with selling and buying parts thru the classifieds.  Also all club
chapters will require OCA membership in order to join thier chapter.

    All in all it brings together an entire nation(s), not just the USA, of
Oldsmobile fanatics  
to assist and support our hobby.  I have talked with a lot of OCA members
over the years and have enjoyed each and every encounter.  I have had people
call me for a part I don't have only to talk on the phone for an hour or so
about our cars and hobby.

   Granted it is a national orginization, but you wont have to go far to find
a members willing to help, also as they are on this list, with a problem, an
opinion or to find that impossible car/part.

   OCA also makes appearances @ some of the large auto shows and as a member
you are able to use thier facilities.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
     71 442 W30 Conv.


 

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Date: Fri, 13 Sep 1996 20:40:06 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Slow night with some car humor- Non Olds

Patton wrote:
> 

> 
> > They turned to the computer engineer. "What do you think we should
> > do?" they asked.
> >
> > The computer engineer shrugged and said, "Let's get out of the car,
> > close the doors, then get back in and try restarting it."
> >

> >> I don't get it !!!!!
> 
>         The General

Micro$oft reference, implying that when Windows crashes and quits
running (which seems to be often) the best (or only) remedy is to shut
it down and start it up again.

I found it quite amusing (esp since I can identify with ~all~ aspects of
the diagnosis!!!)
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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