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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 18 1997       Volume 01 : Number 805



Thank you Hotel Available
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
oldsmobile-digest V1 ª802
GM A Body rear end
Re: GM A Body rear end
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street
Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
T-Tops are back!
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
Re: T-Tops are back!
59 olds
Re[2]: Pop Mech Musclecar Tests (long)
Re: carbs
Re: FAQ addition?
aluminum thrid member?? Help needed
REMOVE
Date:Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:55:52 -0400
Re: Lansing Center Location
'68 4-4-2 ID
Re: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed
Re: FAQ addition?
Re: GM A Body rear end
Re:
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
No Subject
Re: New on list-59 OLds
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper
Re: T-Tops are back!
Re: FAQ addition?
Re:
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
Re: 71 cutlass-sx
Headliners
Re:
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
PC's for Sale Due to Corp Upgrade
Re: Headliners
Re: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed
SPAMMED AGAIN!
Re: Headliners
Re: PC's for Sale Due to Corp Upgrade
Closed list?
Re: Headliners (long)
Re: SPAMMED AGAIN!
1981 Olds 3.8 V6 - pushing oil
Re: FAQ addition?
Technical questions
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:05:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: FREDALL@aol.com
Subject: Thank you Hotel Available

Hi to all who inqiured about my hotel room that I could not use for the
100th.

The room went the first night of the e-mail message.

Thanks again all.

Fred Allard    FREADALL@aol.com      1957 Super 88

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:22:01 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

Daren I agree with you  I own a Mercedes and a Chevy truck,Corvair,Jeep
Wagoneer. But I still like the OLDS better, But sorry you will not find
a F*rd here!
Terry

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:24:34 -0400
From: Steve Pohlmann <safetypup@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> y is everyone so against fords, I luv my 69 MACH 1, R U GOING TO TELL ME THAT
> ITS AN UGLY CAR???????????  if your going to punish, then banish them to
> driving chevies............ of course i luv my 67 F-85 and 442
> conv.......................

EVERY FAMILY HAS ITS BLACKSHEEP    HEHEHEHE!!

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Date: 17 Aug 1997 10:59:18 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª802

OL><<< This message is part 2 of a previous message >>>

OL>> The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles,
OL>> etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear
OL>> on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the
OL>> locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...

OL>Greg, look at the big map in the Olds Today issue.  The Lansing Center
OL>is located on Michigan Avenue, across the street from Oldsmobile Park.
OL>There is a covered walkway that connects this building with the
OL>Radisson.  Lansing Center must be their civic center.
OL>
OL>> I'm also confused re. where the 2500 or so show cars will actually be
OL>> displayed. There is no show field indicated on any of the maps. There are
OL>> several areas designated for "Oldsmobiles on Display" but these look like
OL>> streets, not one large area, and they are scattered about downtown. Is
OL>> that how it's going to be done, with streets blocked off for displays? I
OL>> had assumed from my visit to the Homecoming show last year that the cars
OL>> would be on display in the massive Olds lot around the plant and admin
OL>> building. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know?

OL>Look at the map again.  I think the parade cars will be place along the
OL>streets, from what I'm understanding from folks who have cars that will
OL>be in the parade.  There are also purple shaded areas in Riverfront
OL>Park, outside of Oldsmobile Park, there's a lot at the corner of
OL>Kalamazoo & Grand, another lot at the corner of Saginaw & Grand (and the
OL>flea market in the pink area between the car show lot and the river, and
OL>another lot all the way on the other end of town at Butler & Kalamazoo
OL>(hope I'm not parking there).  I'm sure Olds doens't have the room
OL>around the plants and headquarters because of having parking for the
OL>factory employees.

OL>Paul
OL>- --
OL>Paul Hartlieb
OL>plh@nbn.net
OL>'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
OL>'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

OL>------------------------------

OL>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:47:19 -0700
OL>From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
OL>Subject: 1966 Cutlass  FS........     pictures

OL>Nice Cutlass to restore. Runs and drives excellent.  350 Motor 2-speed
OL>auto. Console, buckets, tinted windows.no rust. More info, email for return
OL>pictures    maldana@digitalwave.net

OL>------------------------------

OL>Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:17:49 -0300 (ADT)
OL>From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
OL>Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

OL>On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
OL>> So, for you late-model Delta and 98 owners out there (that means you,
OL>> Greg!), find a '73-'77 A-body or G-body with a rear sway bar (the Monte's,
OL>> GP's and Supremes often seem to have these), and 8 bolts later, you'll hav
OL>> a flat-handling car! Only took my 20 minutes to get on there and tighten i

OL>Funny you should mention it... I was just thinking about this. I do want
OL>to put a rear bar on the Delta along with upsizing the front bar. That
OL>would make it a really sweet driver. I didn't know that a G-body bar from
OL>that vintage would fit though. I've been cruising junqueyards in search
OL>of ex-police car C*prices with these items. Thanks for the tip.

OL>Did you need to take any special bracketry or shims from the Monte to
OL>make the rear bar fit?

I suspect that the original braketry from the '73-'77 A-body would fit.
If the sway bar fits, then maybe the whole axle does?
I got some info on springs and sway bars for B-bodies somewhere around
here, most I got from the Impala SS home page.  If you can find a front
sway bar off '77-'81 F-body (TA with handling package) 32mm it will fit
on the front.  A popular rear bar is the Herb Adams bar.  This bar is
1.5" in diameter, sure makes the rear of the car flat!  Also, for
stiffer springs, '90 9C1 rear springs are the stiffest, I forgot the GM
part number, I'll post it later.  Also different shocks (Bilstiens of
DeCarbon) help too.  I rode in a '95 Impala that had the F-body front/HA
rear, but had eibach springs and shocks, was VERY stable, at high speeds
too.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr.

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:15:02 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: GM A Body rear end

If anyone has information or advice about fitting Ch*v*lle rearends to a
Cutlass I would appreciate the help. I answered an add for a 10 Bolt rear
end. It turns out to be a posi 3:23 and he only wants $100 for it. Just what
I need.
1. will it bolt right up to a 69 Cutlass?
2. Can I use my current U-joints and drive shaft length?
3. What should I watch out for to determine condition?
Any other info will be greatly appreciated.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:31:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: GM A Body rear end

On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, M&D Gillespie wrote:
> If anyone has information or advice about fitting Ch*v*lle rearends to a
> Cutlass I would appreciate the help. I answered an add for a 10 Bolt rear
> end. It turns out to be a posi 3:23 and he only wants $100 for it. Just what
> I need.

Me too!! I'm jealous...

I can't answer your specific question, but on this topic, the other night
we were working on my '68 Cutlass in a garage where it was next to a
'70SX.  My car was built in Oshawa, the SX in New Jersey. The rear ends
look totally different, and from what I understand, my Oshawa car like all
of those built there was equipped with a Chevelle (type C?) rear end. The
US-built cars had a different (type O?) diff. So I imagine either would be
a direct bolt-in.

I am curious about driveshafts, though. Mine has a different design from
the later car. It has a rubber insert at the differential end whereas the
other one did not. It would be good FAQ material if someone could sort
out the different driveshafts from these cars, i.e. differences between
manual and auto trans, Jetaway, TH350 and TH400 ones, rubber vs. no
rubber, etc. It would help me figure out if I need a different shaft if
someday I put a TH350 in mine, too!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:33:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

i agree mike, who cares about fairmonts and festivas anyway, i just hate
chevies so much!!!!!!!!!!!  a 66 stang was my 1st car, i got my license in a
75 olds c/s 4dr, and got my 1st olds, 67 F-85 in 1988. But i still dont think
it would b a punishment to have 2 drive such a beautiful car like my 69
mach1.

...BERNIE........

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:36:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

YES THEY DO, BUT ME OWN A CHEVY???? NEVER NEVER NEVER
 F CHEVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  SEE YA NEXT TECH question, i hate that damn caps lock button

>>>>>>>bernie.............

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:47:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: how to build 475hp 455 for street

thank you, i mean thank you sir!!

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:06:11 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

>
> I also seem to find my share of strays to take home.  It hurts me to see
> any vehicle go to the crusher that has the slightest chance of
> recovering from whatever disease it has.  I have wound up with more than
> my share of problem children that way.  I have more projects now than I
> will probably ever live to restore.  Probably should sell all of them
> and buy a couple of really nice rides.  Parting with old friends is
> always difficult, so I guess I won't.
>
> Don

Sounds about like my life story.  You know, some kids will bring home a
stray kitten every now and again, well, these don't need to be fed or
anything!  They don't squak all night.  And, you can go pet them
whenever you want, and they don't try running away!!!  :)


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:06:01 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

Just learned of this list.

Thought I'd drop a line to say "Hi" and tell you a little about my Olds
that has been on the brink of completion for a couple of months now.

As any of you know who have restored a car, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING WHEN
THEY
SAY THEY WILL. Now that I have that off my chest here is my story.

When I was in college, drove a '55 Super 88 2-door hardtop that I bought
from
a friend for $600.  Completely stock (looking) except it was running a
'58 J-2
with a B&M hydro.  What a ride.  As I have said countless times, why did
I ever
sell it??  The solution, re-create it, and then some.

Found a complete "88" 2-door hardtop with a dent in the right rear
quarter panel
in early 1994 that I bought for $1,000.  Was about to rebuild the engine
when I
came across a 455 Olds engine that had just been completed and put into
a Chevy, when
the guy ran on hard times. (The brakes weren't even done yet, so no
street time.)
Balanced, blueprinted, dual Carter AFBs, MSD ignition, rebuilt Turbo
400, etc.

As some of you know, the motor mounts are completely different, so had a
local pro
set up the drive train so it won't break. (I hope!)  Drove it around the
parking lot
some when done, but no time on the street yet. WOW!! I am running the
stock '55 Olds rear-end
and don't know if I will need to put a "9-bolt" or something else, or
not.  Any opinions
on this would be appreciated.

The interior is started, with gray tweed and two shades of gray
naugahide (sp?) that follows
the original interior lines very carefully.

I am probably two to three weeks away from getting this thing on the
road, so if you see a
bald headed guy in a white and turquoise '55 driving somewhere in
Northern California
(Pleasanton home base) with a big smile on his face, it's me.

Hope to meet some of you at future Olds events in my area.

Gary Andresen
gandresen@ibm.net

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:16:07 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: T-Tops are back!

To whomever it was that had their mid 80's 442, H/O, or T-top Cutlass
stolen (can't remember which it was!) and then returned stripped, I have
a success story for you (actually, I'm sitting right in front of it.)
My '83 had been vicioiusly vandalised a year and a half ago (some may
remember) $5500 of loss and damage  All side and rear glass was smashed
out, and the dash was trashed.  It sat dead for about a year as a
result.  I put the new dash in this weekend, and it's ~finally~
complete.  Been driving it all weekend, and really loving it.  It's a
feeling of satisfaction having it all together, and knowing how trashed
it was before.  I don't have that ~abused~ feeling that I'd expected to
have.  So, if you've still got your shell sitting there, consider this a
pep talk.  It ~can~ be done, and is still very rewarding.



- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:17:13 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
>
> YES THEY DO, BUT ME OWN A CHEVY???? NEVER NEVER NEVER
>  F CHEVY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>   SEE YA NEXT TECH question, i hate that damn caps lock button
>
> >>>>>>>bernie.............

I think we should love, restore and drive any old car we like, but have
to admit I get real tire of seeing Fords and Chevies everywhere.

The upside, parts are easy to find and often inexpensive.
The downside, Everyones got one.

Olds's on the other hand are unique and beautiful.

I happen to prefer '55s and '57s, but like the power of a build 455 Olds
engine.

What ever makes you happy.

Gary Andresen

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 14:23:55 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

Gary Andresen wrote:
>
> Just learned of this list.
>
> Thought I'd drop a line to say "Hi" and tell you a little about my Olds
> that has been on the brink of completion for a couple of months now.
>
> As any of you know who have restored a car, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING WHEN
> THEY
> SAY THEY WILL. Now that I have that off my chest here is my story.
>
> When I was in college, drove a '55 Super 88 2-door hardtop that I bought
> from
> a friend for $600.  Completely stock (looking) except it was running a
> '58 J-2
> with a B&M hydro.  What a ride.  As I have said countless times, why did
> I ever
> sell it??  The solution, re-create it, and then some.
>
> Found a complete "88" 2-door hardtop with a dent in the right rear
> quarter panel
> in early 1994 that I bought for $1,000.  Was about to rebuild the engine
> when I
> came across a 455 Olds engine that had just been completed and put into
> a Chevy, when
> the guy ran on hard times. (The brakes weren't even done yet, so no
> street time.)
> Balanced, blueprinted, dual Carter AFBs, MSD ignition, rebuilt Turbo
> 400, etc.
>
> As some of you know, the motor mounts are completely different, so had a
> local pro
> set up the drive train so it won't break. (I hope!)  Drove it around the
> parking lot
> some when done, but no time on the street yet. WOW!! I am running the
> stock '55 Olds rear-end
> and don't know if I will need to put a "9-bolt" or something else, or
> not.  Any opinions
> on this would be appreciated.
>
> The interior is started, with gray tweed and two shades of gray
> naugahide (sp?) that follows
> the original interior lines very carefully.
>
> I am probably two to three weeks away from getting this thing on the
> road, so if you see a
> bald headed guy in a white and turquoise '55 driving somewhere in
> Northern California
> (Pleasanton home base) with a big smile on his face, it's me.
>
> Hope to meet some of you at future Olds events in my area.
>

Sounds like one hell of a ride!  Hope to hear more about it.  There
aren't very many pre-60s cars here.  You'll have to make sure to send
Bryceman some pictures of it to post.  (http://www.442.com)  That way we
can all check it out.  Really glad to see you rescued a 455 from such a
demeaning fate!  Good luck!


- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:22:39 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> Gary Andresen wrote:
> >
> > Just learned of this list.
> >
> > Thought I'd drop a line to say "Hi" and tell you a little about my Olds
> > that has been on the brink of completion for a couple of months now.
> >
> > As any of you know who have restored a car, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING WHEN
> > THEY
> > SAY THEY WILL. Now that I have that off my chest here is my story.
> >
> > When I was in college, drove a '55 Super 88 2-door hardtop that I bought
> > from
> > a friend for $600.  Completely stock (looking) except it was running a
> > '58 J-2
> > with a B&M hydro.  What a ride.  As I have said countless times, why did
> > I ever
> > sell it??  The solution, re-create it, and then some.
> >
> > Found a complete "88" 2-door hardtop with a dent in the right rear
> > quarter panel
> > in early 1994 that I bought for $1,000.  Was about to rebuild the engine
> > when I
> > came across a 455 Olds engine that had just been completed and put into
> > a Chevy, when
> > the guy ran on hard times. (The brakes weren't even done yet, so no
> > street time.)
> > Balanced, blueprinted, dual Carter AFBs, MSD ignition, rebuilt Turbo
> > 400, etc.
> >
> > As some of you know, the motor mounts are completely different, so had a
> > local pro
> > set up the drive train so it won't break. (I hope!)  Drove it around the
> > parking lot
> > some when done, but no time on the street yet. WOW!! I am running the
> > stock '55 Olds rear-end
> > and don't know if I will need to put a "9-bolt" or something else, or
> > not.  Any opinions
> > on this would be appreciated.
> >
> > The interior is started, with gray tweed and two shades of gray
> > naugahide (sp?) that follows
> > the original interior lines very carefully.
> >
> > I am probably two to three weeks away from getting this thing on the
> > road, so if you see a
> > bald headed guy in a white and turquoise '55 driving somewhere in
> > Northern California
> > (Pleasanton home base) with a big smile on his face, it's me.
> >
> > Hope to meet some of you at future Olds events in my area.
> >
>
> Sounds like one hell of a ride!  Hope to hear more about it.  There
> aren't very many pre-60s cars here.  You'll have to make sure to send
> Bryceman some pictures of it to post.  (http://www.442.com)  That way we
> can all check it out.  Really glad to see you rescued a 455 from such a
> demeaning fate!  Good luck!
>
> --
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>              Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!


In fact, learned about this list from the Bryce page.  You can be sure
there will be some scans submitted as soon as it's complete.

Gary Andresen

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:27:22 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> I'm having a tuff time finding *nice* raised white letter tires in the
> size needed.
>
> Currently the car has Dunlop, P235/70 14"
>
> Getting the 14" is the hard part.
>
> After talking to a few tire places, it looks like i'll have to go with
> P225/70 14"
>
> A little narrower tread width, but I think it will be ok.  Will it?
>
> What opinion(s) do you guys have about the following brand names i'm
> considering:
>
> BF Goodrich Radial T/A
>
> Firestone
>
> Any other suggestions are welcomed.

I bought Hoosier GT's for my 80 442 from Summit Racing. General Tire
makes them and puts Hoosiers name on them.  I like them alot, nice
handling and are not noisy. Good traction also. I think that Summit has
them in the size you are looking for.

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

i agree, lets hear from guys w/olds from the 50's.
>>> my personal fav is 1956 super88. hell the 4dr is even cool

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:50:51 -0700
From: "Kaye K" <jdkim@lvdi.net>
Subject: Re: T-Tops are back!

Actually,  I got my '86 442 back from the shop on Aug. 6th.  Thanks to
everyone on the list who helped me with parts and Bryceman's Classifieds my
car is ~almost~ like new again!  It took about 1 1/2 months to get the
drivetrain swap and new paint done.  A web page to show the project from
stripped to finish is in the works...

Kaye

- ----------
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: T-Tops are back!
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 1:16 PM
>
> To whomever it was that had their mid 80's 442, H/O, or T-top Cutlass
> stolen (can't remember which it was!) and then returned stripped, I have
> a success story for you (actually, I'm sitting right in front of it.)
> My '83 had been vicioiusly vandalised a year and a half ago (some may
> remember) $5500 of loss and damage  All side and rear glass was smashed
> out, and the dash was trashed.  It sat dead for about a year as a
> result.  I put the new dash in this weekend, and it's ~finally~
> complete.  Been driving it all weekend, and really loving it.  It's a
> feeling of satisfaction having it all together, and knowing how trashed
> it was before.  I don't have that ~abused~ feeling that I'd expected to
> have.  So, if you've still got your shell sitting there, consider this a
> pep talk.  It ~can~ be done, and is still very rewarding.
>
>
>
> --
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>              Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>      "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
>                     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:40:10 -0600
From: Merkley Family <jancan@istar.ca>
Subject: 59 olds

I wrote earlier in the day re: just picking up a 59 olds. i got so tied
up in typing I forgot to mention it is a S88 4 dr ht 394 auto. if anyone
has a line on any parts i'd like to know

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 16:42:59 -0500
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Pop Mech Musclecar Tests (long)

As for the results it sounds strange.  I have a 1984/85 Motor Trend  (or
close kin) that shows the 1984ish 442 just slightly behind the Monte
Carlo SS.  The GN was running 14's, the 442 and SS were running 15's.
0-60 was darn respectable, just couldn't hang on in the higher speeds.
And the 442 did exceptionable in tire smoking!  I will dig out the
magazine and post the results.  Was a good article to read.

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme 307

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:22:47 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: carbs

Bill - Appreciate your reply - thanks alot - I understand being busy
(brought home the '69 Toro in a Saga-ette fashion yesterday; i.e. Dr. Bob).




Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:29:19 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?

I will first of all admit I've only checked the FAQ for things I found
pertinent and haven't gone over the entire thing. But I think a section on
the inter-changeability of many parts would be fantastic.  Its an often
asked question, and often the interchangeable parts are easier to find then
the originals, etc.

How about it?


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:39:31 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

On my last outing to look for parts, i came across a 1970 Cutlass parked
behind a house. The car appeared complete, so i stopped to investigate. As
i was checking for rust under the car i noticed the third member on the car
was bigger, and different than what i had seen. It appears to be 'aluminum'
and has ridges on the rear. It looks like it would hold more oil than a
regular rear. Was this an option for that year(s)?? I have no info in my
books on this. I am sure somebody on the list must know if this was an
option, or not. Anybody help??? sincerely  Mike Aldana
maldana@digitalwave.net

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:41:40 -0500
From: kovalj@dave-world.net (Justin Koval)
Subject: REMOVE



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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:55:52 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Date:Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:55:52 -0400

So who left to chat with this week

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:55:23 -0700
From: mapsrus@juno.com (Brett J Lucas)
Subject: Re: Lansing Center Location

Okay Folks.......

The "Lansing Center," as referred to in the Centennial Registration
Packets, is located on Michigan Avenue (north side), between the Grand
River and Cedar.  The Lansing Center is near the R.E. Olds Museum and
Oldsmobile Park.

See you all this week...

Brett
68 442

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:34:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '68 4-4-2 ID

This came to me directly... can anyone help this fellow out? It sounds
suspiciously like a fake to me, but what do I know? What are the telltale
signs that ID a '68 4-4-2? He says that he knows from the VIN, but with
Supreme emblems on it and no ID elsewhere, you have to wonder. Since he
didn't quote the VIN (should it start with 344?) I can't help him out
there.

Email replies to him directly, please...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 17:16:04 -0400
From: ermel@huron.net
To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:

Was surfing and came across your page..nice work.

Wondered if you could help.....from a check of the VIN, I know my car is a
cutlass sumpreme BUT is it a 422????.........How to I find out? or what
clues should there be on the car????

422 appears on the grill and inside the glove compartment on Identification
sticker....cutlass supreme is on the outside of the compartment. There are
no other markings on the fenders or trunk.

Can you help??...........Thanks......DAve
HOME PAGE..http://www.huron.net/~ermel

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:38:02 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

It could be an aftermarket rear end cover or possibly a W27(?) rear end.
I believe that if it is truly a W27 rear end, it will have W27 stamped on
it somewhere, but not absolutely sure. I'm sure Jim Chermack would be
able to answer that question.

Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

On Sun, 17 Aug 1997 15:39:31 -0700 "Mike Aldana"
<maldana@digitalwave.net> writes:
>On my last outing to look for parts, i came across a 1970 Cutlass
>parked
>behind a house. The car appeared complete, so i stopped to
>investigate. As
>i was checking for rust under the car i noticed the third member on
>the car
>was bigger, and different than what i had seen. It appears to be
>'aluminum'
>and has ridges on the rear. It looks like it would hold more oil than
>a
>regular rear. Was this an option for that year(s)?? I have no info in
>my
>books on this. I am sure somebody on the list must know if this was an
>option, or not. Anybody help??? sincerely  Mike Aldana
>maldana@digitalwave.net
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:53:26 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> I will first of all admit I've only checked the FAQ for things I found
> pertinent and haven't gone over the entire thing. But I think a section on
> the inter-changeability of many parts would be fantastic.  Its an often
> asked question, and often the interchangeable parts are easier to find then
> the originals, etc.
>
> How about it?
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
> '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
> Metal Forever
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
Lisa,
I know I would love a parts interchange section.  I don't know if there
would be a space problem with all the models, years, etc. but I wouldn't
think so. It would probably be a bear to set up.

Don

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 19:49:52 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: GM A Body rear end

 Thanks for the info Greg.  You're right that all of the Oshawa Cutlasses
had the Ch*vy  "C" type rear ends while the US models had the "O" type. The
confusion seems to be that the Olds 12 bolt are really only 10 bolt as this
designates the number of bolts holding the ring gear to the carrier on the
inside of the case. In most cases, this seems to be the same number of bolts
as on the outside of the diff. but with the Olds it doesn't apply. I think
they interchange ok, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll let you know if I can get
the 3.23 Posi.

I got this info comes directly from the FAQ.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, August 17, 1997 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: GM A Body rear end



>On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, M&D Gillespie wrote:
>> If anyone has information or advice about fitting Ch*v*lle rearends to a
>> Cutlass I would appreciate the help. I answered an add for a 10 Bolt rear
>> end. It turns out to be a posi 3:23 and he only wants $100 for it. Just
what
>> I need.
>
>Me too!! I'm jealous...
>
>I can't answer your specific question, but on this topic, the other night
>we were working on my '68 Cutlass in a garage where it was next to a
>'70SX.  My car was built in Oshawa, the SX in New Jersey. The rear ends
>look totally different, and from what I understand, my Oshawa car like all
>of those built there was equipped with a Chevelle (type C?) rear end. The
>US-built cars had a different (type O?) diff. So I imagine either would be
>a direct bolt-in.
>
>I am curious about driveshafts, though. Mine has a different design from
>the later car. It has a rubber insert at the differential end whereas the
>other one did not. It would be good FAQ material if someone could sort
>out the different driveshafts from these cars, i.e. differences between
>manual and auto trans, Jetaway, TH350 and TH400 ones, rubber vs. no
>rubber, etc. It would help me figure out if I need a different shaft if
>someday I put a TH350 in mine, too!
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:58:22 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re:

Robert Schinkel wrote:
>
> So who left to chat with this week
Robert,

I think there will be fewer Olds people around this week.
Unfortunately, I am not going to Lansing either athough I would sure
like to.  When you're self-employed it's kind of like when you have the
time you don't have the money and when you have the money you don't have
the time.  If you get lonesome up there in the soon to be frozen north
(Niagara I believe), hit me with an e-mail.  Would be glad to hear from
you.

Don

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:29:37 -0400
From: "S. Hoshall" <shoshall@theonramp.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

Somehow I got this email.  Something is really messed up with the
server.
Shawn


Don Sowers wrote:
>
> Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
> >
> >  AL has changed its title laws on insurance damage.  If it gets a Salvage
> > Title, you can't get rid of this history & it is clearly printed on the
> > title, "Salvage".  Teh value of these cars is effectively destroyed.  Only
> > cars before 1975 are easily licensed & exempt from this craziness.
> >
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
> >
> > >
> > >.. and got to keep the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse
> > >than it really is). Through this agreement with the insurance company, I
> > >have to give up my title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a
> > >"salvage title". Im wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a
> > >cleared title after a qaualified shop done the repairs and got it
> > >recertified - after an incident.
> > >
> > >     Pete,
> > >
> > >     My 69 H/O was also a "salvage" car.  I bought it in So Cal when I
> > >     lived there.  Car had no title, but a salvage certificate (it had 
been
> > >     stolen and recovered, but the insurance company had already paid 
off).
> > >     Since there was no damage to repair, I simply had to get the VIN
> > >     verified at the DMV and get a brake and light inspection (in addition
> > >     to the usual California emissions check) in order to get a new title
> > >     issued.  Obviously, this doesn't help with AL (tho, from what Bill
> > >     Culp says, you can get almost anything registered in AL ;-), but it
> > >     _can_ be done.
> > >
> > >     Joe Padavano
> > >
> > >
> Bill,
>
> If it works there like it does in Ky, the 1975 year indicates someone
> high up needed a 442 or equivalent with a clear title.  If your
> connected, good things seem to happen for you.  Coincidence I am sure.
>
> Don

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:36:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jay9624@aol.com
Subject: No Subject

Do you have any pictures, or color and striping for 67/70/71/72.

please send me your answers to jason slc1@aol.com or jay9624 @aol.com thank
you

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:50:11 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: New on list-59 OLds

 Welcome.  I don't have a '59 of anything, but I surely admire those
Oldsmobiles.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Hi. were new on the list but long time Olds fanatics. We just picked up
>a 59 OLds which we intend to restore back to original condition, which
>means a lot of time and work I think. However I am committed and would
>like any info on parts etc.(will ship from most anywhere if needed )
>It's good to see so many olds lovers out there. thanks
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 20:56:25 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

Chris,

 Understeer is a condition where the front wheels do not follow a true track
in a turn.  They tend to slide to the outside of the turn as if they are
"understeering" that turn.  Conversely, oversteering is a condition where
the rear wheels do not follow a true track in a turn.  They tend to slide to
the outside of the turn as if they are "oversteering" that turn.  Cars tend
to understeer because they are easier for an amateur to handle than a car
that oversteers & the back end keeps sliding out.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Hi all,
>
>What is understeer?
>
>Chris Sparks
>

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 02:07:48 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

>Hi all,
>
>What is understeer?
>
>Chris Sparks

When you're go too fast on an off-ramp, and the front end of the car goes
off the road and into the guardrail first, your car is understeering.

If you go too fast on an off-ramp, and the back end of the car swings out
and hits the guardrail first, then you've experienced oversteer.

Most performance books and articles recommend that you to set up the car to
be as "neutral" as possible. That means that when you go too fast on an
off-ramp, both the front and the rear of the car slide out at an equal rate,
wiping out the side of the car.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:12:26 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: New Member with '55 Olds Sleeper

 Gary,

Welcome.  Nice story; nice car.  I wish I could tell some of my young
students how nice it feels to just sit in one of these wonderful old cars.
Actually driving one is like being on top of the world.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Just learned of this list.
>
>Thought I'd drop a line to say "Hi" and tell you a little about my Olds
>that has been on the brink of completion for a couple of months now.
>
>As any of you know who have restored a car, NOBODY DOES ANYTHING WHEN
>THEY
>SAY THEY WILL. Now that I have that off my chest here is my story.
>
>Gary Andresen
>gandresen@ibm.net
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 18:19:02 -0300
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: T-Tops are back!

 Charlie,

I'm glad to hear that about not being dissappointed in a car that you knew
as nice & then had to bring it back to health.  I used to own a Mustang that
I gave to my daughter - I know, how could I do such a thing to my own flesh
& blood?  I have been offered the poor beat thing back & I have said no as I
only remember it as new.  Possibly I'll take her new husband up on it's
return anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.  Maybe better yet would be to buy that '73 442 that I have been
drooling over or the '56 Mercury Montclair hardtop w/'55 convertible parts
car that a friend has offered.


>To whomever it was that had their mid 80's 442, H/O, or T-top Cutlass
>stolen (can't remember which it was!) and then returned stripped, I have
>a success story for you (actually, I'm sitting right in front of it.)

       <snip>
  It's a
>feeling of satisfaction having it all together, and knowing how trashed
>it was before.  I don't have that ~abused~ feeling that I'd expected to
>have.  So, if you've still got your shell sitting there, consider this a
>pep talk.  It ~can~ be done, and is still very rewarding.
>
>
>
>--
>
>             Charley

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:24:28 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?

 Lisa,

I hava a set of Hollander's from the '20's up through 1979.  I have posted a
number of items over the last year.  What does everyone need?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>I will first of all admit I've only checked the FAQ for things I found
>pertinent and haven't gone over the entire thing. But I think a section on
>the inter-changeability of many parts would be fantastic.  Its an often
>asked question, and often the interchangeable parts are easier to find then
>the originals, etc.
>
>How about it?
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
>Metal Forever
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:27:54 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re:

 I will not be able to go either.  I don't know nuthin', but I lissen real
good.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

:



>Robert Schinkel wrote:
>>
>> So who left to chat with this week
>Robert,
>
>I think there will be fewer Olds people around this week.
>Unfortunately, I am not going to Lansing either athough I would sure
>like to.  When you're self-employed it's kind of like when you have the
>time you don't have the money and when you have the money you don't have
>the time.  If you get lonesome up there in the soon to be frozen north
>(Niagara I believe), hit me with an e-mail.  Would be glad to hear from
>you.
>
>Don
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:07:48
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

At 03:22 PM 8/15/97 -0300, you wrote:

>The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles,
>etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear
>on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the
>locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...

Greg,

Paul Hartleib answered your question, so I won't repeat it, but I wanted to
comment that I, too, was suprised at all this mention of the "Lansing
Center" and no indication on the maps of where it actually was.


Dan

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:42:32 -0500
From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iAmerica.net>
Subject: Re: 71 cutlass-sx

At 11:06 AM 8/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>does anyone happen to know production figures on 71-sx, looking at one,and
>wondered about there value.  car is bench seat item, it`s complete but has
>been sitting for ten years. car is a ª 5 condition .  please reply .  steven.
> w30442cs@aol.com
>
>
1971 production figures for the SX is 2157
This consists of 1820 hardtops and 357 conv.'s
BTW, my 71 SX also has a bench seat and column shifter. The very few other
SX's I have seen all had buckets with console.
Only a handfull seem to be left 26 years later. See mine at the owners
registry at 442.com
Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:54:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Panman638@aol.com
Subject: Headliners

I will need a new headliner in the 1972 4-4-2 i am working on. I have had
alot of people tell me not to try do put it in myself. Has anybody put a
headliner in. I understand if I got one from Year One they would send
directions along with it. What is anybody thoughts or advice on this?

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:01:02 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re:

Robert I also will be here in NC, wish I was going also.....
Terry Teague

68 Delta Custom

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 22:22:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

On Mon, 18 Aug 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> Most performance books and articles recommend that you to set up the car to
> be as "neutral" as possible. That means that when you go too fast on an
> off-ramp, both the front and the rear of the car slide out at an equal rate,
> wiping out the side of the car.

Since a neutral handling car would be a handful for most drivers on the
street, nearly all vehicles are designed with understeer in mind.
The off-ramp example is a excellent illustrative model for the definition
at hand, but it is important to note that inappropriate use of the
throttle or brake can induce oversteer/understeer, so in assessing a
particular stabilizer bar combination, a steady state skid-pad test
or an emergency lane change manoeuvre would be better.  This is
assuming that one actually uses brakes on an off-ramp and doesn't scrub
speed solely from steering input.  :)

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:33:55 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Headliners

Panman638@aol.com wrote:
>
> I will need a new headliner in the 1972 4-4-2 i am working on. I have had
> alot of people tell me not to try do put it in myself. Has anybody put a
> headliner in. I understand if I got one from Year One they would send
> directions along with it. What is anybody thoughts or advice on this?


Been there, done that, almost screwed it up.  Never again.

It looks so EASY in the car resto mags, you would think a 4 year old
could do it.  I did my headliner in my 71 442, and it looks OK, but took
me two days to do it and get it to look right.  MOFO!!!  Luckily, my
entire interior was out at the time.  I stuck myself to various parts of
the car with that 3M super adhesive.  Trust me, if you haven't done this
before, watch it being done by pros just once, then decide if you can do
it.  Year One has an EXCELLENT kit, but I would advise having it
professionally installed.  Besides, if THEY screw it up, they will fix
it.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:42:23 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: aluminum thrid member?? Help needed

Mike Aldana wrote:
>
> On my last outing to look for parts, i came across a 1970 Cutlass parked
> behind a house. <SNIP> It appears to be 'aluminum'
> and has ridges on the rear. It looks like it would hold more oil than a
> regular rear. Was this an option for that year(s)??

Did it have the letter "W" cast in it centered, with "27" cast right
under the "W"??? If so, it was a W-27 cover, or if you can verify the
third member as aluminum, then a complete W-27 rear end.  The covers
could be installed by the dealerships.  The aluminum third member axle
assemblies were produced with the regular steel cover.  At the factory,
instructions for removing this cover and installing the cast aluminum
W-27 cover and new gasket was directed.  The steel covers were saved and
sent back to the axle plant. (could this be the first re-cycling?)

Interesting it only had ridges.  Cal Custom used to make W-27 "LOOKING"
cast aluminum covers for Oldses, though they didn't have the letters
cast in them.  This was strictly after market stuff.  The only aluminum
cover that Olds offered from the factory was the W-27, and yes, both
versions, factory and aftermarket, did hold more oil.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:58:53 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: SPAMMED AGAIN!

I think this clown that spammed us last time is doing it again.  This is
uncalled for.  I CC'd a copy of the note I sent back to the spammer, and
in case anyone is interested, the spam man address is dpci@ix.netcom.com

Mike Rothe
I don't like it on my list,
If you do it I'll be p**sed.
I don't like it, Sam I am,
I don't like that stupid Spam!

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:04:40 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: Headliners

I have to agree , I have installed convertable tops , vinal tops, and
headliners....everytime I try to save the money for having them
installed by doing it myself I wish I had paid someone else that does it
for a living .....not someone that does it once in awhile.....

Terry
Teague

68 Delta Custom

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:53:48 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: PC's for Sale Due to Corp Upgrade

Hey, Jeff Pond or Mike Wright,

What makes you think you can just barge into this list and spam us like
that?  Who the heck do you think you are?  I believe this isn't the
first time.  But it better the last time, for we on this list don't mind
if you want to sell something, and talk Oldsmobiles, but when you start
out with "This message sent with bulk mail" it means spam.  We don't
like it, so I suggest you use 'unsubscribe oldsmobile' to majordomo.  If
you don't, and continue with your stupid practice, it won't be pretty.
There are many more of us than there are of you.  Ever hear of the term
mail-bomb?  Kinda what you did to this list?  A lot of us here on the
list are not above doing just that.  How would you like the spam,
hmmmm?  Sorry I'm so terse, but I consider these spams to be exactly
like cold calls via the telphone.  Very unwelcome!!!!!  Now I'm asking
you nicely.  Will you please stop with the useless spamming?  STOP IT!!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:11:25 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Closed list?

This one's for Greg Beaulieu, but others are probably interested...

Any updates on making this a closed list?  This last spam really twisted
me into a knot, and now my underwear is too tight.  (dang old spam)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 23:11:41 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Headliners (long)

 I would put the thing in myself.  It isn't hard; only time consuming.
Beware that you must take all the trim out from around the windows; front,
rear, & sides as well as the cardboards around the interior lights in the
rear quarters, the interior mirror,  & the sunvisors.  You might tape these
screws to the trim pieces as it is easy to mix up what goes where.  When
reinstalling, use an awl or ice pick to find the holes in the body to match
the holes in the trim.

After all of this is done, it is on to the headliner.  Of course, you
checked to make sure that the replacement meets the specifications of color,
pattern, & number of sewn panels to match your old one.  Believe it or not,
some GM cars had more or less panels than yours.

Start on the headliner by pulling the glued seams that attach to the front
at the windshield.  You will have to replace the new headliner by gluing
yours just as the factory did using a good glue that can be found in the 3-M
glue shop or may have been supplied w/your new headliner.

Go on to the side windows & you will notice that that is glued on also &
must be pulled away from the metal.  If the headliner is old, it may tear in
several places as you pull it loose.  The rear window is the same.

The headliner is not free yet as the roof bows are holding it up.  They are
stuck into metal brackets in the side of the roof above the side windows.
Note which hole is used at each bow position.  There are sometimes 2 or 3
choices.  You must take out the bow from that bracket,  remove the bow from
the pocket sewn into the headliner, put the bow into it's corresponding
pocket in the new headliner.  Don't mix the bows as they go into only that
position.  A bow or 2 may be held up under a sharp metal tab that may have
to be bent to release the bow from the top.

Continue until all the bows are released & take the headliner out of the
car.  Transfer the bows to their proper pockets in the new headliner.  Be
careful w/the new headliner as it is easy to soil it.  Clean up before
working w/it.

You may have noticed a sound insulation material glued to the top under the
headliner.  It may have deteriorated & fallen all over you as you tried to
get the headliner loose from the metal.  A good idea is to replace this
material w/some thin insulation from an upholstery shop or a local lumber
yard.  Even JC Whitney may have some.  It is only glued in.

W/the new headliner & it's properly installed bows, it is time to put the
new headliner into the car by snapping the bows into their proper places.
ook the bows undr any tabs that you bent down to remove the bows.  Don't put
any holes into the headliner for trim, sunvisors, or anything else as yet.
The headliner must now be glued onto the metal just as the factory did it
around the edges of the roof.  The glue is rather quick drying & will hold
everything in place easily one step at a time.

I usually begin at the front of the car first.  put glue onto the metal,
wait a moment, & begin pressing the headliner across the windshield header.
There should be some extra material that will be cut later by razor blade.
Get it nice & taught across the windshield header.  Don't get glue all over
you & then onto the headliner.

My next step is the sides & pulling  everything nice & taught.  The rear
window area is last.  It is not hard to pull something loose if you have to
to get everything nice & tight.  A fogging of water from a spray bottle &
then use of a hair dryer will take care of any small wrinkle problems.

When satisfied, trim the extra headliner material & replace all of the trim.
Some holes will have to be made in the headliner for the sunvisors & screws.
The awl & a razor blade will handle this, but be careful.  I hope that you
didn't do this outside in the heat.  Choose a cool day or use a
garage/carport/barn.

I'm sorry that this was so long & I hope that it helps.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama






>I will need a new headliner in the 1972 4-4-2 I am working on. I have had
>allot of people tell me not to try do put it in myself. Has anybody put a
>headliner in. I understand if I got one from Year One they would send
>directions along with it. What is anybody thoughts or advice on this?
>
>

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:18:02 -0400
From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Subject: Re: SPAMMED AGAIN!

Yea, well if I catch him spamming, I'll stick a can of SPAM up his ***!

Heehee, its late, the kids are in bed.. :-)

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Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:28:18 -0400
From: mwalker@hadco.com (Mike Walker)
Subject: 1981 Olds 3.8 V6 - pushing oil

I have a 1981 Cutlass with the 3.8 (231) V-6 thats is pushing oil
from every available oriface. Primarily it is pushing back through
the PCV valve, the breather (filling the air cleaner( and around
the dip-stick. Any ideas as to what could be causing this apparently
extreme pressure build up in the crank case ? HELP ! and thanks
Mike Walker (mwalker@hadco.com)

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 21:50:48 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: FAQ addition?

Maybe not if it was done along the lines of groupings by years - then makes
- - then major body panels - motor components, etc.

Also, this information would probably be gathered relatively slowly - so I
think it could be done.

My .01 1/2 cents worth


Lisa Madsen

'66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom , '69 Toronado, '72 Vista Cruiser - Heavy
Metal Forever

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: 17 Aug 1997 21:34:00 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: Technical questions

The heater in my '78 Delta 88 is ceasing to put out hot air, and the
dash vents put out no air while at the 'VENT' setting.  However, when I
am at the A/C settings, I _barely_ get any air coming out of those same
registers.  I have checked behind the dash to see if there were any
disconnected vaccum lines and I noticed there were three, but I was told
this is typical for my climate control system (Tempmatic).  I only felt
one cable and that one is the temperature setting.  Since it will start
to get cold soon I wish to get this fixed.

Also, there is a gap inbetween the rear backlite and the chrome moulding
that holds my vinyl top in place, letting debris collect inside.  I
cleaned out as much as I could, but I am thinking of sealing these areas
up with some silicone sealant..  These gaps are at the bottom corners of
the backlite.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr.

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:42:51
From: Chris Matthes <cdogg73@elknet.net>
Subject: 67 cutlass supreme

i just bought a 67 c/s for $175!!!

the car has no engine, or trans in it, but comes with a 350 olds, a 350
buick, and a th400, all of which i plan to sell at the next swap meet.It
has a 10 bolt posi and the frame is solid, as are the floors, it does need
a new trunk, and it is missing quite a few importants parts, such as... a
trunk lid, doors, seats, a hood, and basically a front clip... but i think
it was a pretty damn good deal.

I just finished my 73, and i am ashamed to admit, i dont know a lot about
the 67s.  i do know that it was available with the 330, or 400, but what
tranny options were available?  how can i tell if the 10 bolt is original?
I am planning a frame off on this car, so i'd really appreciate it if
someone out there who has gone through a 67 could help me out with just
some general info on their car and what had to be done with it.  I am
leaning towards the 325hp/330 engine, however i have never seen one for
sale.  any help will be greatly appreciated!

Chris Matthes
73 Cutlass
67 Cutlass

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