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oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 23 1997      Volume 01 : Number 814



Re: LOST!!.....spell check
LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Transmission Change
Re: starter porblems
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
67 Toro For Sale
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: Rear end (long)
Gauges
RE:Build Sheets again
Re: Cam recommendation
Re: A/G Body rear ends?
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
List problems
Re: Gauges
RE: List problems
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: List problems
Re: Gauges
Re: W35 Rear Spoiler
Re: List problems
Re: List problems
1966 Cutlass bumpers
sikkens paint
X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; Mac_68000)
Re: starter porblems
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
sikkens paint update
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: Guage question
Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: Guage question
Re: A/G Body rear ends?
RE: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
RE: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: LOST!!
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
RE: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: LOST!!
Redline Water Wetter WAS: gauge question
RE: Thanks for tire info
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: Redline Water Wetter WAS: gauge question
Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop
X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; Mac_68000)
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: engines
Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
Re: Thanks for tire info
Re: UNBOUNCE: VIN Info
TRANSMISSIONS
Re: Thanks for tire info
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: Gauges
Re: 1969 delta 88
Re: Instructions for install. of console in 80's Cutlass... an offer....
Re: Thanks for tire info
Re: Gauges
Re: Repo OAI hoods
68 442 in Birmingham, AL - $1,800
Re: CA Smog Bill SB-42
LIVE from LANSING ! (8/22/97)
Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
Re: Thanks for tire info
1974 Delta '88 Convertible
Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 01:49:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: LOST!!.....spell check

UH, I THINK THATS  "POSI" RICK, hey its 2am nj time, still on this damn
comp!!!!!!!

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:06:47 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Subject: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

The pictures are up !!!! Aprox. 30 images are in the LANSING selection
on the site below. Don't know how good they are it's 3:00am and I'm
tired. Tomorrow morning (Ha!, 6 hours from now) at 9:00am is the
motorcade, 38 miles round trip with an estimated time of 4+ hours. They
say that the front cars will be returning before the last cars have
left, thats alot of OLDS ! After the motorcade is over we'll be back at
the swap meet, (I'll check on as many parts as possible). Then it's off
to the Oldsmobile Western BBQ at OLDSMOBILE PARK. The R.E.
Transportation Museum is running a raffle, 1st prize is  a 1998
Intrigue. If our luck is good maybe we'll be driving back instead of
flying! The raffle tickets were $100.00, but only 750 will be sold.

Today at 6:30 till about 11:30 was the R.E Museum Olds auction, alot of
nice stuff was sold, they said about $20,000.00 was raised.

Weather still cool with drizzle on and off.

* Mike R: I spoke with "DOC" Watson at the Auction, It was a Dupont
product. He didn't have the formula off the top of his head, but said
he'd get it. I'm meeting up with him again at 9am tomorrow.
* Bobby E: Thanks for the offer, but I have access to unlimited space, I
will look for used cars.
* Tereas S: I'll check on those fender scrips after the motorcade
tomorrow.
* Roland K: Got you message about the Calais emblem, will look.
* J. Hoekendijk: I'll look for the scripts, and I'll take some Vista
pics.

- --

Good night !......................


Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|


        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 4:10:57 EDT
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Subject: Transmission Change

 Currently I have a TH400 automatic in my '69  4-4-2 .  I'd like to switch
it over to a four-speed.  An M21 would be preferable but not necessary.
Ideally, a complete change-over swap (shifter, console, cable/linkage and
transmission) would work if interested.

 Wish I could have made it to Lansing but work schedule just doesn't
cooperate.  Hope to hear what was out there and would like to see any
pictures that may make it to a homepage or two.

   Glenn
   '69 4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:30:41 -0400
From: Olds mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: starter porblems

DDortch@aol.com wrote:

> When I had my '69 cutlass 350 had same problem with a new starter-- I
> scuffed
> the battery terminals&connection w/ a wire brush and it went
> away...it's a
> mystery why but it worked-- probably had nothing to do w/why the
> problem
> stopped.
> jeff

   When warm weather rolled in here in Cow Hampshire I started to have
simular problems. I cleaned all connections, checked the timing etc.
Each thing seemed to help a little at the time. As the weather kept
getting warmer the car started to run hotter so I bought a new 4 core
rad and new clutch fan. Car ran cooler but starter problems continued.
So I decided it was time to ck the started. I know I should have done
that first But the place I bought the car from told me they had just
changed it for a new one. Well when I went to pull the starter I found
it was in fact a new rebuilt. BUT... the car had the wrong crossover
pipe on it. The srraight leg on the started side was 13/4 " shorter than
the one on my other 350 car. (this car has a 403) Also the physical size
of the started was a smaller diameter than other Olds starters I had
around. Not having time to fix it I pulled the started apart and ck the
brushes and relubed it and put it back in. I also made a small heat
shield and placed ti on the crossover pipe using a muffler clamp. This
worked a while but the started finally burned up. I have since replaced
the crossover pipe and the starter(Iput the right ones on) and now all
is well. Ck to make sure someone didn't use componates from the wrong
model if they did work on the car before you bought it. Someone else put
the 403 in my 83.

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:20:50 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> If it came from a '71, it wasn't red from the factory.  All 71's were
> black.  Semi-rare as in $$ value.  I dunno.  Maybe 100-150 depending on
> the shape.  Can't be much more than that I would imagine, because you
> can get OAI's for around 350-500.  The 71 air cleaners used the standard
> lid that came with the "442" lid decal.

Could these air cleaners be used on a 68 4-4-2?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:18:26 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: 67 Toro For Sale

Greetings Classifieds2000 has the following for sale:



1967 Oldsmobile Toronado, 150K miles, $3,000, Charlottsville, Virginia
Eve: (540) 948-4464  Mail: darrenk@mnsinc.com
To view the complete ads, go to:
http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?135890+20-AUG-97

Mike or someone, please post to Toro list.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past
Augusta, GA

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 03:56:28 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

Bill Gochenour wrote:
>
> The pictures are up !!!! Aprox. 30 images are in the LANSING selection

Oooooooooooooooooooooh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!  They were
fine.  Thanks Bill.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:51:04
From: Aaron S Janke <asjanke@mtu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear end (long)

At 06:29 PM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Aaron S Janke wrote:
>>
>> Hello all
>>
>> Hoping to get a little information or at least be directed in the right
>> direction to find some information on rear end swaps.  I just picked up a
>> set of 3.73 guts out of a 85 s-10 blazer.  I plan on using them in my 84
>
>Sure they aren't 4.11 gears?  My 85 Blazer 4x4 has option code H04 which
>is a 4.11 limited slip rear.
>--
>
>********
>Jason Labay

I looked at the gears to make sure and the ring gear had 41 teeth and the
pinion gear had 11 teeth. so I am pretty sure they are 3.73 unless I am
totally off trying to calculate it this way.  I am not sure about the
vehicle code I will have to look.  also I started to check around and I
think the type of limited slip that this is a

also some other questions that I saw that maybe I can answer are that it
did have leaf springs in the rear

I am wondering does the tag on the limited slips tell you what the gear
ratio is because presently on the 84 Cutlass Calias(used to be a diesel but
the guy who owned it before me grabed the motor for racing or something, I
mainly bought the car because I like olds and it had T-tops anyhow) I can
see it already has a limited but the problem is I think it is really high
geared like 2.5 or something.  I am not sure and I am going to crawl under
there tonight to try and find out.  If nothing else I will try to turn the
drive shaft and see how many times it takes to.  But after reading you are
saying that I would have to use the carrier and all and not be able to just
switch ring and pinion gears? I think that I have the cone type limited in
the car and the limited that is on the blazer carrier is some limited slip
locker Eaton Gov--Lok.  Now I seen a little blurb that these are not as
good as the cone type and that is why I was thinking I should just switch
the gears and not the carriers.

anyhow I will have to look at my original setup first before I go any
farther I guess.

Tahnks so far

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:00:02
From: Aaron S Janke <asjanke@mtu.edu>
Subject: Gauges

I have seen alot of info about guages and I now have a question of my own

I have a 84 Cutlass Calais that used to be a diesel.  This car is pretty
much loaded power windows, seats and I love the full gauge package that it
has.  One problem now that I dropped a 69 olds 350 in there because the
previous owner grabbed the old diesel motor so now I have a nice tachometer
that I am not sure how they made work with the diesel.  Can anybody help me
with this tach or do I have to try and find a regular tach and try to put
it in the place of the diesel one?  Since I did not take the old motor out
I am not sure about this.
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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:09:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE:Build Sheets again

Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio wrote

<<Cecil, I find alot of build sheets in these cars under the front seats
between the cushion and springs. Also found one inside the door on a 91
Ciera. >>

Jason, can you tell me exactly what the build sheet for these late model cars
looks like??  Thanks!

Cecil
1991 W-41
OCAª29604

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:23:21 -0400
From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Subject: Re: Cam recommendation

>>Ray Moriarty wrote:
>>
>> At 05:14 PM 8/11/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> >On Mr. Gasket's desktop dyno,
>> >the 350 with pocket ported heads, 9:1 compression, small tube headers
>> >(open, like the other companies run on their Dynos), you get 352 HP at
>> >5500 RPM and almost 400 ft/lbs of torque from 2500 - 4500.
>>
>> Alright, I give. What is pocket porting?
>>
>> TIA
>> Ray
>> Alexandria, VA
>It's a mild port job that helps the heads breath better without
>sacrificing driveability.  Full porting and race porting are designed to
>completely re-engineer your combustion characteristics and power band.
>Pocket porting is more or less an improvement over stock, although it
>does alter the power band as much as 800 RPMs.  If you made power from
>1000-4500 before, you might notice that your power range is 1500-5000
>RPMs after a pocket port, but torque and horsepower are usually up
>across the board.
>
>Dave
>Woodbridge, VA

Thanks Dave
Ray

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:18:48 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: A/G Body rear ends?

<SNIP>and some 85s had the 8.5 and some or all had aluminum drums.
Also
> Ive been told that some 442's and Monte SS's from the 80's had the 8.5's
> also.

Well, FWIW, at least in 85, all 442's differentials had one style.  The
3.73 raio with 8.5, either posi or not.  Had to order posi for about
$90.  At least I had to.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:13:40 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

mrada wrote:
>
> Mike Rothe wrote:
> >
> > If it came from a '71, it wasn't red from the factory.  All 71's were
> > black.  Semi-rare as in $$ value.  I dunno.  Maybe 100-150 depending on
> > the shape.  Can't be much more than that I would imagine, because you
> > can get OAI's for around 350-500.  The 71 air cleaners used the standard
> > lid that came with the "442" lid decal.
>
> Could these air cleaners be used on a 68 4-4-2?

Yes, Chris, although not "correct" for the 68 year, the dual snorkel was
just a modified version of the single snorkel unit used in 70.  It will
fit and function normally on a 68 442.  Not 100% sure about the hot air
tube fitting from a 68 though.  If it is the same as a 69, then yes.  I
know the hot-air pipe will definitely work from 69-72.    It just had a
small "growth" of another snorkel about 120 degrees apart from the
orignal one.  Looks kinda cool though.  Paint it "red-orange" and you
got one neat looking air cleaner, and it uses the STOCK air elements to
boot!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:37:31 -0300
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: List problems

Hi all

After a recent spamming my internet provider banned any transmission from
this list
they now say the ban is off yet I have not been recieving any mail
Have ther been mail happening still during this week
Can someone h*lp me with this

Please H*LP

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:45:51 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Gauges

>I have a 84 Cutlass Calais that used to be a diesel.  This car is pretty
>much loaded power windows, seats and I love the full gauge package that it
>has.  One problem now that I dropped a 69 olds 350 in there because the
>previous owner grabbed the old diesel motor so now I have a nice tachometer
>that I am not sure how they made work with the diesel.

Just as a guess, I'd say they must have used a crankshaft position
sensor to count revolutions, since obviously there was no ignition
system. They'd have a position sensor installed anyway for fuel
injection purposes, I think.

>Can anybody help me
>with this tach or do I have to try and find a regular tach and try to put
>it in the place of the diesel one?  Since I did not take the old motor out
>I am not sure about this.

I don't think you'd have much to lose by trying to hook up the existing
tach first. Maybe examine the circuit board and see if it's equipped
with the usual 6/8 jumper and that kind of thing first? Find a white
wire? Great; run it to the TACH terminal on the distributor and see
what happens.

Just hypothesizing here: a regular tach counts every pulse from the
coil, then divides by the number of cylinders. A tach counting
crankshaft revolutions doesn't need to divide by anything. How they
engineered the difference is what you need to figure out (e.g. what
happens to a regular tach when you remove the jumper? Does it start
trying to display every pulse, without dividing the total? If so,
it's basically in Diesel/crankshaft-sensing mode.)


Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:46:35 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: List problems

The list is working OK Robert, you should be receiving mail.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

- -----Original Message-----
From:Robert Schinkel [SMTP:docbob@caninet.com]
Sent:Friday, August 22, 1997 10:38 AM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:List problems

Hi all

After a recent spamming my internet provider banned any transmission from
this list
they now say the ban is off yet I have not been recieving any mail
Have ther been mail happening still during this week
Can someone h*lp me with this

Please H*LP

Robert Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 07:59:27 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Mike,

> although not "correct" for the 68 year, the dual snorkel was
> just a modified version of the single snorkel unit used in 70.  It will
> fit and function normally on a 68 442.  Not 100% sure about the hot air
> tube fitting from a 68 though.  If it is the same as a 69, then yes.  I

Well the stove pipe attaches to the driver's side of the air cleaner.
Is
that ok?

> know the hot-air pipe will definitely work from 69-72.    It just had a
> small "growth" of another snorkel about 120 degrees apart from the
> orignal one.  Looks kinda cool though.  Paint it "red-orange" and you
> got one neat looking air cleaner, and it uses the STOCK air elements to
> boot!

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:02:12 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: List problems

Hi Robert,

> Have ther been mail happening still during this week

Sure has.

> Can someone h*lp me with this

Maybe Mike Frederick (sp?) or Greg Beaulieu can do this for you.  I
don't know how.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:09:09 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Gauges

I have a rallye pack from a diesel that I picked up at a swap meet for $5.  If
you want me to look up anything on it, let me know.  Maybe I can save you from
taking apart your dash.  I bought it primarily for spare parts, like the 6-8
selector clip (mine was broken, but still worked) which it does have on the
side.  I haven't tried to hook the tach in it up, and probably never will.
Dunno if you'd want to use the diesel tach since it redlines at something
obscene like 4000rpm.

Tom Lentz
tlentz@ior.com

Andrew C. Green wrote:

> >I have a 84 Cutlass Calais that used to be a diesel.  This car is pretty
> >much loaded power windows, seats and I love the full gauge package that it
> >has.  One problem now that I dropped a 69 olds 350 in there because the
> >previous owner grabbed the old diesel motor so now I have a nice tachometer
> >that I am not sure how they made work with the diesel.
>
> Just as a guess, I'd say they must have used a crankshaft position
> sensor to count revolutions, since obviously there was no ignition
> system. They'd have a position sensor installed anyway for fuel
> injection purposes, I think.
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:21:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: W35 Rear Spoiler

In a message dated 97-08-22 11:12:53 EDT, you write:

<< Mike Rothe >>

Reference W35 Spoiler,


Thanks for the info regarding the spoiler on a convertible body.  I don't
think I will go that route.

Steve Dietrich
 71 442 W30 Conv.
   S/E PA

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:24:39 -0500
From: Adam <xadirc@megsinet.net>
Subject: Re: List problems

Robert,
I have had problems like that before and sometimes i have resorted to
joining free e-mail providers like hotmail or juno... they could care
less about spamming.
http://www.hotmail.com
http://www.juno.com

Adam Andersen

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:35:47 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: List problems

>I have had problems like that before and sometimes i have resorted to
>joining free e-mail providers like hotmail or juno... they could care
>less about spamming.
>http://www.hotmail.com
>http://www.juno.com

Not exactly. With both Hotmail and Juno: You spam, you die.

But that's a little off the subject: It sounds like Majordomo might
have unsubscribed Robert after his ISP started bouncing Olds email.
I suggested to him in email that he just try resubscribing again.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:25:09 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: 1966 Cutlass bumpers

I came across a front and back bumper for a 1966 Cutlass. No cutouts, bur
very good cores to plate. I will plate the bumpers on exchange basis only.
Price is $190.00 plus shipping. (under $30.00) per bumper. More info, email
me personally to Mike Aldana    at       maldana@digitalwave.net

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:22:06 -0400
From: issval@maracaibo.ipm.slb.com (ISSVAL)
Subject: sikkens paint

hi,

people were looking for sikkens info, here is the address i got:

http://www.Sikkensna.com/


alain lachatre

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:24:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Shadle <shadle@foothill.net>
Subject: X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; Mac_68000)

looking for information and data about hyd. pumps for 51 Olds
power windows and seat.  Also dealers who handle or rebuild such.
any info. will help

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:57:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Re: starter porblems

Hot start problems in GM cars are not uncommon.  There are two possible ways
of curing the problem.
1. Install a remote starter solenoid or contactor.  These kits generally cost
about
    $25 and untilize a starter solenoid similar to the one used on Ford cars.

2. Wrap the starter and solenoid in heat resistant blanket or shield the
starter and
    solenoid from the exhaust manifold heat.

By the way, is your car equipped with headers?  Headers tend to aggravate hot
start problems because they radiate more heat that stock manifolds.

Mark Berube
67' 442
Loganville, GA.

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:06:49 -0700
From: Rick Peatman <peatmanr@together.net>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

mrada wrote:
>
> Bill Gochenour wrote:
> >
> > The pictures are up !!!! Aprox. 30 images are in the LANSING selection
>
> Oooooooooooooooooooooh! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!  They were
> fine.  Thanks Bill.
>
> Chris Sparks

Hi.
 I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so i can
take a look at the pics?

Thanks!
Rick Peatman

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:12:13 -0400
From: issval@maracaibo.ipm.slb.com (ISSVAL)
Subject: sikkens paint update

hi,

people were looking for sikkens info, here is the address i got:

http://www.Sikkensna.com/

ooops i just checked the address above,  and some of it is under
construction, so maybe you can try their main site at:

http://www.cr.akzonobel.com/

alain lachatre

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:22:58 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

> I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so i can
>take a look at the pics?

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/

Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
at our end...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Guage question

In a message dated 97-08-22 01:13:39 EDT, you write:

<<
 Well the strange thing is that when the lights come on the guages
 indicate
 < 200 degrees on the thermo and around 30 for the oil.  One way I have
 found
 to have the indicators turn off is to rev the engine.  Wierd isn't it?


 Chris Sparks
  >>

Chris, do you have a "high flow" thermostat?  When I replaced my old
therm during a Spring Cleaning that I do I replaced it with one of the
high flow and noticed a difference between it and the one that was in
the car in regards tothe diameter of the opening, resulting in ability to
flow the water thru the system.  I too have had to rev the water pump,
errr, the motor, in order to flow the water thru to cool things down.
Another thing Ive not heard anything about here that I use is a product
made by Red Line Products called "Wetter Water".  This is an add-
itive for the coolant system that helps the water/antifreeze with heat
transfer. Not sure what properties are involved here, sometimes just
the fact that something works is good enough, at least for some. I
have also heard several discussions on water pumps and the good
and bad of different manufacturer's of these pumps......TIM

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:39:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop

have you tried your local news station?, they some times have special
segments on scam operations and can really put on the heat!,  in okla. kfor-4
news (oklahoma city) does this all the time.  they investigate, call local
law enforcement about other complaints  and do full back ground check.  then
they air it live!   by the time their done their begging  to make good on
back promises.  you`d be surprised what a little bad p.r. does to a company,
and their forgetfull attitude.  just about every news station does this in
some form, just call the nearest one and let them know about it.  hope this
helps, steven.               w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:46:06 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/
>
> Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
> to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
> connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
> at our end...

Yes I did have problems, max transfer rate I got was 1000 chars/sec.
My modem can go faster.  I was looking at the site around 5:00 am
California time.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:49:04 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: Guage question

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:

> Chris, do you have a "high flow" thermostat?  When I replaced my old

I frankly don't know what thermostat I had.  I presume its is a factory
one.

> Another thing Ive not heard anything about here that I use is a product
> made by Red Line Products called "Wetter Water".  This is an add-
> itive for the coolant system that helps the water/antifreeze with heat
> transfer. Not sure what properties are involved here, sometimes just
> the fact that something works is good enough, at least for some. I
> have also heard several discussions on water pumps and the good
> and bad of different manufacturer's of these pumps......TIM

I'll check out this product.

Chris

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: A/G Body rear ends?

im running a 67 chevelle 3.73 posi in a 71 cutlass, bolted right in. only
differance was 67 rear end was app. an inch narrower,and brake drums were
older style; (non finned).              steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:54:22 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

No the URL loaded OK. I went to the Lansing link and it gave me dir.
with the .jpg files and each one loaded OK. I am on a LAN also but not
a real big pipe.

- -----Original Message-----
From:Andrew C. Green [SMTP:acg@dlogics.com]
Sent:Friday, August 22, 1997 2:23 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

> I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so i
can
>take a look at the pics?

http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/

Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
at our end...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:54:02 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

>http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/
>
>Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
>to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
>connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
>at our end...
>
I still haven't gotten through and I have a T-1 line here at work.  It must
be all the list members trying to access the page at once.  I will try
later this afternoon and see if it works better.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:23:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

In a message dated 97-08-22 14:25:48 EDT, you write:

<< > I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so i can
 >take a look at the pics?

 http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/

 Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
 to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
 connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
 at our end...

 Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
  >

Just thoughtId mention that the site works good here...Dont think its
because I have a good computer....its a, lets see.....186 DX 10??? errr
something like that ;-}......TIM

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:41:55 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

I just tried the site and it took 45 seconds to load Netscape and go
to the URL and open the first picture. :-)

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

- -----Original Message-----
From:Cnvrtbl442@aol.com [SMTP:Cnvrtbl442@aol.com]
Sent:Friday, August 22, 1997 3:24 PM
To:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

In a message dated 97-08-22 14:25:48 EDT, you write:

<< > I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so
i can
 >take a look at the pics?

 http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/

 Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
 to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
 connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
 at our end...

 Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
  >

Just thoughtId mention that the site works good here...Dont think its
because I have a good computer....its a, lets see.....186 DX 10???
errr
something like that ;-}......TIM

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:56:51 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: LOST!!

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>
> I haven't taken the H/O to the track, but I've seen magazine reviews that put
it > at 15.6-15.8.  I might get 15.5 with the few simple mods that I've done
(bench > racing is fun!).  I didn't mean it to sound like I leave the 5.slows 
as
a tiny > dot in my rear view mirror (that would be a '69 H/O ;-)  ), but I do
beat them > off the line, and for at least the first few car lengths.  By the
time I've hit > 30-40mph (which isn't long at all), they're caught up and
fighting hard, but I > usually ease off and that point (and let them get the
speeding ticket).  That > 14.6 can't be stock, is it?  I've heard they get 
about
15.2's stock.

Well mid 15's is better than what I have seen those Monte's run!!... The
14.6 run was with the car basically stock, the only additions are
underdrive pulleys, a K&N filter (with the fender silencer removed) and
the initial timing bumped up to 13 degrees.. With the trap speed of 95
and change I know the car will run low 14's possibly dipping into the
13's if I powershifted and had sticky tires....

What mods have you done to your car???

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

On Fri, 22 Aug 1997 Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-08-22 14:25:48 EDT, you write:
>
> << > I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so i can
>  >take a look at the pics?
>
>  http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/
>
>  Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
>  to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
>  connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
>  at our end...

Response time here is pretty good.  Occasionally, I'll have to wait 10 sec
for the server to start sending a pic, but usually right away.

BTW, there is another possible problem - I seem to be getting alot of
people pictures.  ;)

Don Sugarman

>
>  Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>   >
>
> Just thoughtId mention that the site works good here...Dont think its
> because I have a good computer....its a, lets see.....186 DX 10??? errr
> something like that ;-}......TIM
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:25:59 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

I seem to have been able to get to the site and look at all the pics. A
little on the slow side but my connection works.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com[SMTP:Cnvrtbl442@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 3:23 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
>
> In a message dated 97-08-22 14:25:48 EDT, you write:
>
> << > I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so
> i can
>  >take a look at the pics?
>
>  http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/
>
>  Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
>  to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
>  connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
>  at our end...
>
>  Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>   >
>
> Just thoughtId mention that the site works good here...Dont think its
> because I have a good computer....its a, lets see.....186 DX 10???
> errr
> something like that ;-}......TIM
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 13:23:45 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: LOST!!

The quick answer: http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

Coming soon, when I get the time to compile all the information I've collected,
will be a G-body specific page.

> What mods have you done to your car???

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:20:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: hitson@leadbelt.com
Subject: Redline Water Wetter WAS: gauge question

This product has been discussed extensively here before with mixed reviews
from users. In two different vehicles, the product made 0 difference for me.

Roger

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:24:07 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: Thanks for tire info

Again my info is hearsay, so there it is P245/60R14 don't rub upfront.
Kurt, how does the front steering feel turning  over bumpy surfaces.?
Can you feel the sidewalls of the tire shift from side to side?

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: Kurt Heinrich[SMTP:old442@erols.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 7:09 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info
>
> Next, if you go with
> > the P245/60R14 you WILL get tire rubbing in the front tires. Had a
> > friend with those sizes and he kept complaining of how it rubbed
> while
> > turning or over bumps while turning. Mind you I have never had this
> size
> > before so I'm conveying only what I have heard while talking to
> others
> > who have had them.
>
> I have P245/60R14s on my '71 and have NO wheel rubbing.  A friend of
> mine had them on his '72 with no problem either.
> --
> Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
> 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 17:07:25 -0400
From: taxlady@sbccom.com (Sieglinde Kuzava)
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

Thanx Bill for some coool pics, 'specially nice 4 those of us who couldn't
go.

BTW, avg download time per pic was 28 sec.

Sieglinde
Granville, WV

78 Cutlass Supreme

- ----------
> From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
> To: Oldmobile list server <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 6:06 AM
>
> The pictures are up !!!! Aprox. 30 images are in the LANSING selection
> on the site below. Don't know how good they are it's 3:00am and I'm
> tired. Tomorrow morning (Ha!, 6 hours from now) at 9:00am is the
> motorcade, 38 miles round trip with an estimated time of 4+ hours. They
> say that the front cars will be returning before the last cars have
> left, thats alot of OLDS ! After the motorcade is over we'll be back at
> the swap meet, (I'll check on as many parts as possible). Then it's off
> to the Oldsmobile Western BBQ at OLDSMOBILE PARK. The R.E.
> Transportation Museum is running a raffle, 1st prize is  a 1998
> Intrigue. If our luck is good maybe we'll be driving back instead of
> flying! The raffle tickets were $100.00, but only 750 will be sold.
>
> Today at 6:30 till about 11:30 was the R.E Museum Olds auction, alot of
> nice stuff was sold, they said about $20,000.00 was raised.
>
> Weather still cool with drizzle on and off.
>
> * Mike R: I spoke with "DOC" Watson at the Auction, It was a Dupont
> product. He didn't have the formula off the top of his head, but said
> he'd get it. I'm meeting up with him again at 9am tomorrow.
> * Bobby E: Thanks for the offer, but I have access to unlimited space, I
> will look for used cars.
> * Tereas S: I'll check on those fender scrips after the motorcade
> tomorrow.
> * Roland K: Got you message about the Calais emblem, will look.
> * J. Hoekendijk: I'll look for the scripts, and I'll take some Vista
> pics.
>
> --
>
> Good night !......................
>
>
> Bill !
>
>                                               _           _       ___
> 1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
> 1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
> 1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
> 1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
>                                              |_|         |_|   |_______|
>
>
>         http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:33:38 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Redline Water Wetter WAS: gauge question

>This product has been discussed extensively here before with mixed reviews
>from users. In two different vehicles, the product made 0 difference for me.

I've heard of its use as an _alternative_ to ethylene glycol, especially
in racing applications, since it doesn't get the track all slippery in
case of spills or leaks after a crash.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 16:52:42 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop

- ----------
> From: W30442CS@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Advice needed - Oldsmobile shop
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 1:39 PM
>
> have you tried your local news station?, they some times have special
> segments on scam operations and can really put on the heat!,  in okla.
kfor-4
> news (oklahoma city) does this all the time.  they investigate, call
local
> law enforcement about other complaints  and do full back ground check.
then
> they air it live!   by the time their done their begging  to make good on
> back promises.  you`d be surprised what a little bad p.r. does to a
company,
> and their forgetfull attitude.  just about every news station does this
in
> some form, just call the nearest one and let them know about it.  hope
this
> helps, steven.               w30442cs@aol.com
I heard that the guy in Lewisville has already made the news once, maybe he
needs some more exposure.
Walter

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 15:12:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Karen Shadle <shadle@foothill.net>
Subject: X-Mailer: Mozilla/2.0 (compatible; MSIE 2.1; Mac_68000)

Please un subscribe my name from list

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:31:20 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> > although not "correct" for the 68 year, the dual snorkel was
> > just a modified version of the single snorkel unit used in 70.  It will
> > fit and function normally on a 68 442.  Not 100% sure about the hot air
> > tube fitting from a 68 though.  If it is the same as a 69, then yes.  I
>
> Well the stove pipe attaches to the driver's side of the air cleaner.
> Is
> that ok?
>
No, then you're out of luck on the factory hot air pipe fitting.  The 69
through 72's are the only ones that will work. (except 68 H/O)  Sorry.
But it will still go on and look OK if you don't have the hot air
setup.  Or if you wanted, get a hot air setup from a 69-72 442.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:43:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: engines

Not much info from GM two part ªs fit 1977 to 1990. The only difference in
part ªs is with or without A.I.R. They are long blocks, no intakes that I
know of. I will find out more in a week or so, as I will order one for myself
the 307 in my 86 Cutlass decided to quit pumping oil on the way home from
work.The warranty should have read 3 years or 50,000 miles which ever comes
first.

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:43:35 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner

I have been off the list for a few days and have missed the first part of
this question
Am I to understand that someone is looking for a 68 442 breather
Just asking cause I have some

Bob Schinkel

- ----------
> From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dual Snorkel Air Cleaner
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 7:31 PM
>
> Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > > although not "correct" for the 68 year, the dual snorkel was
> > > just a modified version of the single snorkel unit used in 70.  It
will
> > > fit and function normally on a 68 442.  Not 100% sure about the hot
air
> > > tube fitting from a 68 though.  If it is the same as a 69, then yes.
I
> >
> > Well the stove pipe attaches to the driver's side of the air cleaner.
> > Is
> > that ok?
> >
> No, then you're out of luck on the factory hot air pipe fitting.  The 69
> through 72's are the only ones that will work. (except 68 H/O)  Sorry.
> But it will still go on and look OK if you don't have the hot air
> setup.  Or if you wanted, get a hot air setup from a 69-72 442.
>
> Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:54:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

Just thought I'd add:  Have P245 60R14s on my 69 442.  Definitely no rubbing!
 Excellent handling and ride.


Bob Iozia
Brick NJ
69 442
57 Ch*vy

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:15:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: MARKSJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: VIN Info

Thanks for info

Joel Marks
1971 Olds CS Conv.
1981 Olds CS Brgm

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:33:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: TRANSMISSIONS

Yes they do have 700R4s and 200R4s andTHM400s and others even ford & chrysler
Warranties are 24 months or 24,000 miles witch ever comes first.
These are just some of the part ªs in the book
       700R4s
Corvette 24209718 with overdrive, 24209697 without overdrive  $1568.13 +tax
Truck with carb 24209686  $1568.13 +tax
Pontiac with carb 24209694  $1568.13 +tax
       THM400
Truck 454 with carb 24209514  $1417.83 + tax

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:33:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: Nick314@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

I have a question on alignment with the larger width tires for that year
oldsmobile, but in particular the 1970 442.  Would the camber specification
be different then the factory specification. I would think so because of the
width change, but I'm not sure.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks Jim

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:38:06 -0700
From: Rick Peatman <peatmanr@together.net>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

Erik Nowacki wrote:
>
> >http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/
> >
> >Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
> >to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
> >connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
> >at our end...
> >
> I still haven't gotten through and I have a T-1 line here at work.  It must
> be all the list members trying to access the page at once.  I will try
> later this afternoon and see if it works better.
>
> Erik Nowacki
> San Diego
> 72 Vista Cruiser


I had no problem accessing it the first time today - about 11 am eastern
time....

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 19:45:25 -0500
From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Subject: Re: Gauges

- ----------
> From: Andrew C. Green <acg@dlogics.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Gauges
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 9:45 AM
>
> >I have a 84 Cutlass Calais that used to be a diesel.  This car is pretty
> >much loaded power windows, seats and I love the full gauge package that
it
> >has.  One problem now that I dropped a 69 olds 350 in there because the
> >previous owner grabbed the old diesel motor so now I have a nice
tachometer
> >that I am not sure how they made work with the diesel.
>
> Just as a guess, I'd say they must have used a crankshaft position
> sensor to count revolutions, since obviously there was no ignition
> system. They'd have a position sensor installed anyway for fuel
> injection purposes, I think.
>
> >Can anybody help me
> >with this tach or do I have to try and find a regular tach and try to
put
> >it in the place of the diesel one?  Since I did not take the old motor
out
> >I am not sure about this.
>
> I don't think you'd have much to lose by trying to hook up the existing
> tach first. Maybe examine the circuit board and see if it's equipped
> with the usual 6/8 jumper and that kind of thing first? Find a white
> wire? Great; run it to the TACH terminal on the distributor and see
> what happens.
>
> Just hypothesizing here: a regular tach counts every pulse from the
> coil, then divides by the number of cylinders. A tach counting
> crankshaft revolutions doesn't need to divide by anything. How they
> engineered the difference is what you need to figure out (e.g. what
> happens to a regular tach when you remove the jumper? Does it start
> trying to display every pulse, without dividing the total? If so,
> it's basically in Diesel/crankshaft-sensing mode.)
>
>
> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
I am not clear on this but it seems like I remember something about the
tach on a diesel takeing pulses from the alternator.
Walter

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:47:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: FREDALL@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1969 delta 88

In response to Darryl Wright's question on the value of a 1969 Delta 88
Royal.

Well I thought 4 years ago I found a jem 1969 Delta 88 Custom 4 door HT with
only 27,000 thousand miles real nice.

The car was also a 2b 455ci.

It took me a year and a half to sell it and I think I gave it away at 1,800.

FREDALL@aol.com      1957 Super88

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:24:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: AKOHLER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Instructions for install. of console in 80's Cutlass... an
offer....

The bracket for the 200c trans ( three speed trans no overdrive) has been
discontinued Part ª 10001413 could not find any on Locater service. The
bracket for the 200R4 trans (Overdrive trans) is still available from GM part
ª 10027568  Price is $3.05 +tax. The bracket for a 700R4 in a Corvette is
Part ª14076160 Price $1.95 this was the only car I could think of that a
700R4 and a console. Hope this helps

Alan Kohler

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:38:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

Have 245/60-14's on 14x7 rallyes on my '69 442 and my '68 442 and have no
rubbing or other unfriendly noises. I've used BFG radial T/A's and Cooper
'Cobra' tires.
Just so y'all know...
Peter Sliskovich
Coupe King@aol.com
Los Angeles

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 22:48:59 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: Gauges

jones wrote:
>
> ----------
>
> > Just as a guess, I'd say they must have used a crankshaft position
> > sensor to count revolutions, since obviously there was no ignition
> > system. They'd have a position sensor installed anyway for fuel
> > injection purposes, I think.
> >
> > >Can anybody help me
> > >with this tach or do I have to try and find a regular tach and try to
> put
> > >it in the place of the diesel one?  Since I did not take the old motor
> out
> > >I am not sure about this.
> >
> > I don't think you'd have much to lose by trying to hook up the existing
> > tach first. Maybe examine the circuit board and see if it's equipped
> > with the usual 6/8 jumper and that kind of thing first? Find a white
> > wire? Great; run it to the TACH terminal on the distributor and see
> > what happens.


> I am not clear on this but it seems like I remember something about the
> tach on a diesel takeing pulses from the alternator.

This is true. Alot of Impala owners buy an AutoMeter Diesel tach to
install in their car to avoid hacking the car wiring up. It reads pulses
off the alternator.
> Walter

- --

********
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group - Valve Division
1995 DCM Impala SS.....my dream car come true
1980 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.....show car..one of 346 produced
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25.....restoration project
1985 Chevy S-10 Blazer 4X4......work truck

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: STemple909@aol.com
Subject: Re: Repo OAI hoods

I think that I missed the original e-mail concerning the OAI hoods. Where are
they from? Thanks in advance.

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 23:26:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: STemple909@aol.com
Subject: 68 442 in Birmingham, AL - $1,800

I work at a local Auto Zone in Birmingham, AL. I have a customer with a 68
442 for sale. I saw it today. It is a silver (sorry, not H/O) 442, with a 400
cid engine (Head Code "C"), and was originally a automatic but now has a four
speed. Bucket seats, console, etc. It is kinda rough but appears to be all
there. I think that the engine has a bad main bearing but for the price I
believe that it is a good deal.He also has various parts pieces (64 rear
"Oldsmobile" script piece and etc.)  and a 64 Cutlass for sale. If anybody is
interested, let me know and I will give you the name and other info on the
owner.

Shawn L. Temple
72 Cutlass S (455/ TH-400)

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:58:41 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: CA Smog Bill SB-42

Did you miss the e-mail site we set up to go to Sacramento to show support?
 A friend of ours who's a big Ford fan set one up on her newsgroups as well.

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:07:24 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Subject: LIVE from LANSING ! (8/22/97)

Hey all ! Here's tonights pics. To the members who requested parts, you
didn't give me enough information to correctly identify your requests. *
There is 3 Vista-Crusier scripts see pics ª38-39.
* The 79 Cutlass Calais hood emblem comes in red and black.
* Dynamic 88 is available in about 4 different styles.

So.....I've collected the names and address of the vendors we found
these items at. When I return to NY I'll post this information for all
to see. All the vendors do mail order and most had both new & used.

As for the rest of the pics, today Oldsmobile showed a miniature 83
Hurst/Olds build on a golf kart chassis....realy cool! (by the way, that
big kid sitting in it is me).

And by request, got some Vista Crusier pics.

Tomorrow's another day !

Good night..............
- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|
     * * * IT"S FINALLY HERE * * *
1997 Master Craft ProStar 190 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor)

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:28:54 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: LIVE from LANSING !....UPDATE !

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> > I am new to this list - what is the address for the home page so i can
> >take a look at the pics?
>
> http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest/lansing/
>
> Um, is anybody besides me having a helluva time getting this site
> to respond? Download is taking _forever_, and we have an Internet
> connection the size of a firehose so I don't think the problem is
> at our end...
>
> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282


Andy:

since you seem to be the only one having download trouble with your
"firehose connection" maybe you should check to see if the valve is open
all the way! Or take a week off work, fly down, set up a system (digital
camera/flatbet H/P scanner/IBM thinkpad-Pentium) in your hotel room,
spent 3 hours a night downloading pics and answering e-mails. Then
complain about a 45sec. load time. Also, I notice your never on-line
after working hours, don't you have a modem at home? I've got ISDN
service at my
residence.

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|


        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 00:46:49 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

I have to agree with Bob
I too have P245 60R15's and no rubbing

Robert Schinkel

- ----------
> From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info
> Date: Friday, August 22, 1997 7:54 PM
>
> Just thought I'd add:  Have P245 60R14s on my 69 442.  Definitely no
rubbing!
>  Excellent handling and ride.
>
>
> Bob Iozia
> Brick NJ
> 69 442
> 57 Ch*vy

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 01:24:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mattaleo@aol.com
Subject: 1974 Delta '88 Convertible

I have a '74 Delta '88 Convertible, looking for any good books on restoration
and info and advice on putting a new top on. Thanx ahead of time for any
replys...Bill Graziadei

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 03:00:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Deltas, old digests and questions-longish

laura, look in hemmings, alot of people sell shop and bod manuals, usually
around $50-60,

bernie segebade
cranford nj
67 f-85, 67 442 conv, 86 salon, 69 mach 1 stang...........

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