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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, September 8 1997      Volume 01 : Number 838



Unusual Heads
Re: Oldsmobile Shows (OCA Chapters) UPDATED !!!
Re: Questions
Re: NAOC (long-not any more)
Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!
Brining my Cutlass to a show?
pre 71 455 cores
Re: pre 71 455 cores
Re: Console/Dual Gate
455 blocks
Re: Brining my Cutlass to a show?
'70 Olds 442
Re: Car ID-Numbers
Re: advice on purchasing '70 442
Re: Phantom Olds Never Built (Fantasy List)
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Re: Drum brake problem
UNBOUNCE: 455 blocks
Re: UNBOUNCE: insurance
rebuilt olds403
Re: '70 Olds 442
1967 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop for sale
Re: Phantom Olds Never Built (Fantasy List)
1967 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop for sale
Re: Questions
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Cars for Sale in Pittsburgh,Pa.
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Re: NAOC (long-not any more)
Re: Brining my Cutlass to a show?
Seat belt buckels
Re: '70 Olds 442
Console colors
Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
Re: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
UNBOUNCE: Cars for Sale in Pittsburgh,Pa.
Re: Console colors
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
Re: Seat belt buckels
Re: Console colors
[none]
Re: NAOC (long-not any more)
Re: Dustin's tests
Re: naoc
Re: Console colors
1967 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop for sale
re-join list
re-join list
More console colors...
Re: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442
Unsubscribe please
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Re: Console/Dual Gate
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
Re: pre 71 455 cores

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 97 22:17:02 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@orbital.com>
Subject: Unusual Heads

     Well, I just changed the valve covers on the 1966-vintage 400
     currently living in my 70 W-30.  Note that I did not install this
     motor in the car (I bought it that way), but the block and heads both
     carry "B"s, so I am assuming this is a 66 motor.  After reading the
     FAQ and all the other information on head useage/configuration,
     imagine my surprize when I discovered that my motor has the three-part
     rocker arm pivots!  To be honest, I'd never seen these before, as all
     of my other Olds motors have been later units with the traditional
     cast aluminum pivots.

     As careful readers will recall, only the 1965 "A" heads are thought to
     use the three-part pivots.  I'm guessing that this is either a late
     '65 motor or an early '66 unit (presumably the one-piece pivots were a
     running change, and Olds simply used up the stock on hand before the
     changeover), but I am hoping that someone else has seen the three-part
     units on "B" heads.

     Of course, as we all know, '66 400s did not grow in 70 W-30 cars, so
     clearly this unit has been worked on at some time in the past.  The
     valve covers have also been off at some time, as the passenger side
     unit was originally painted blue (corporate blue, not the metallic 455
     blue), so it is conceivable that somebody actually went to the trouble
     to install the three-part pivots.  I haven't determined yet if the
     rocker studs are the 3/8" size of the "A" heads or the later 5/16".  In
     any case, if this were a factory arrangement it throws a little curve
     into the data in the FAQ.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:19:06 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Shows (OCA Chapters) UPDATED !!!

brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:

> September 21, 1997. 12th ANNUAL FALL MEET.
> Hosted by the Blue/Gray Chapter. At E.O. Miller Chevrolet-Oldsmobile, 515 
East
> Chocolate Ave. (US Route 422), Hershey, PA 17033. Pre-registration only by
> September 13, 1997. $8. Arrive 9am to 12 noon. Trophies and door prizes
awarded > by 3pm. For more info: Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr., Hummelstown, PA
17036-9215. > (717) 566-3697.

Just to inform those who are interested in attending.  This show is no
longer pre-registration only.  Pre-registration is still 'til Sept 13th,
and its still $8, but we also have registration after the 13th as well
as the day of the show at $10.  This dealer originally talked about
adding Chevrolets, which we thought would limit our space, so we decided
to go the pre-registration only route.  The dealer never made an attempt
to contact any Chevy people, so space limitation is no longer a
problem.  You can register day of show if you want to attend, and we
encourage you to do so!

Contact me if you would like a flyer.

Thanks,

Paul
Blue/Gray Chapter Treasurer
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 00:04:01 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Questions

At 06:12 AM 9/6/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a few question:
>
>  Are the doors different between 1968 442 HT and SC?
>
>Chris Sparks
>

Chris

        Yes!. The won't interchange.

Jim Chermack

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 20:58:29 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: NAOC (long-not any more)

Aw hell, and here I thought I could horn in on their stereotypical setup.

Oh well.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:11:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: David1756@aol.com
Subject: Re: 70 Rallye Info Needed!!!

Rallye 350 Club is based in NJ, formed by the Latorre family,
JoAnne Latorre (908) 276-8008 or (908) 276-4395.   They had stripes made some
years back and may still have for sale (not cheap but they were unique to
1970, I think same as the ones on the pace cars). Good luck, great cars.

David Wilk
OCA4517

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:11:38 -0500
From: Charles Lundin <cblundin@flash.net>
Subject: Brining my Cutlass to a show?

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
>
> brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:
>
> > September 21, 1997. 12th ANNUAL FALL MEET.
> > Hosted by the Blue/Gray Chapter. At E.O. Miller Chevrolet-Oldsmobile, 515
East > > Chocolate Ave. (US Route 422), Hershey, PA 17033. Pre-registration 
only
by > > September 13, 1997. $8. Arrive 9am to 12 noon. Trophies and door prizes
awarded > > by 3pm. For more info: Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr., Hummelstown, PA
17036-9215. > > (717) 566-3697. > > Just to inform those who are interested in
attending.  This show is no > longer pre-registration only.  Pre-registration 
is
still 'til Sept 13th, > and its still $8, but we also have registration after
the 13th as well > as the day of the show at $10.  This dealer originally 
talked
about > adding Chevrolets, which we thought would limit our space, so we 
decided >
to go the pre-registration only route.  The dealer never made an attempt > to
contact any Chevy people, so space limitation is no longer a > problem.  You 
can
register day of show if you want to attend, and we > encourage you to do so! > 
>
Contact me if you would like a flyer. > > Thanks, > > Paul > Blue/Gray Chapter
Treasurer > -- > Paul Hartlieb > plh@nbn.net > '67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe >
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible Hi Paul, I am Chuck Lundin and have been 
looking
at the OCA threads. I have an interest in selling my 1977 Cutlass Supreme V8
5-speed. Its in very nice shape, but has 200,00 miles on it. I have never been
to an oldsmobile show and dont know whether brining my Cutlass by would be a 
way
to offer it for sale or not. Is is usually permitted or is tht determined by
show rules? Please let me know. Thanks.

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 23:21:16 -0500
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: pre 71 455 cores

Hey Guys,

    You have been an excellent help to me in planning my 455 conversion
from 350 2V.  Thank you very much for that.

    The only problem I've had now is locating a good starting place.
According to everything I've read, 455 cores are "cheap and plentiful".
This doesn't seem to be the case.  Even Mondello says that the heads (A,
B, and C) are difficult to find.  But even after having broadened  to
pre-'74 blocks (nickel content was still at a very good level), the only
engine I have been able to locate anywhere locally was already bored
60-over and had no heads.  I would really prefer an engine that had not
had the heck bored out of it and I was really hoping to come up with a
long block.

    Does anyone have any help or advice they can offer?  I am REALLY
itching to get my Cutlass back on the road :)

    Thanks again, for everything,

John Ramsey
jramsey@mail.utexas.edu (UT Austin)
'69 Cutlass S (almost a 455...)

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 23:38:39 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: pre 71 455 cores

John,
I bought a rear end from a guy in Kentuky who has a nice 455 for sale. It's
"built" a little with a Comp Cam and valve train. The block is from a 74
Hurst Olds and it has " C" heads. The intake and carb are original. It
hasn't been in a car since rebuild but has been started and run three times.
BTW, there is also a rebuilt TH400 attached, with a shift kit and a higher
stall torque converter. He also has new Hooker headers that goes with it. He
offerd to deliver it to me in Indiana for $1000 or $800 plus shipping.
I don't know if it is still for sale since he found a 69 442, but it's worth
a try if the bigger bucks are ok.
You can e-mail him at:
kcunnin@kih.net

The phone no. is:
(606) 763-9421

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

- -----Original Message-----
From: John C. Ramsey <jramsey@mail.utexas.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, September 06, 1997 11:25 PM
Subject: pre 71 455 cores



>Hey Guys,
>
>    You have been an excellent help to me in planning my 455 conversion
>from 350 2V.  Thank you very much for that.
>
>    The only problem I've had now is locating a good starting place.
>According to everything I've read, 455 cores are "cheap and plentiful".
>This doesn't seem to be the case.  Even Mondello says that the heads (A,
>B, and C) are difficult to find.  But even after having broadened  to
>pre-'74 blocks (nickel content was still at a very good level), the only
>engine I have been able to locate anywhere locally was already bored
>60-over and had no heads.  I would really prefer an engine that had not
>had the heck bored out of it and I was really hoping to come up with a
>long block.
>
>    Does anyone have any help or advice they can offer?  I am REALLY
>itching to get my Cutlass back on the road :)
>
>    Thanks again, for everything,
>
>John Ramsey
>jramsey@mail.utexas.edu (UT Austin)
>'69 Cutlass S (almost a 455...)

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

Sorry, guys , but white interiors DEFINITELY have white consoles
coupe king

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 00:48:37 -0400
From: "Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: 455 blocks

I have just come across a 1974-76 455 engine. I do have some C and G
heads to replace the smog heads on this engine. But I keep seeing
references about the nickel content of these blocks is low.  I intend to
use this block as the bases for a strong engine build up.  I would like
this engine to spin near 6000+ RPM.  Is this the wrong way to go?

Thanks

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:10:42 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Brining my Cutlass to a show?

Charles Lundin wrote:

> Hi Paul,
> I am Chuck Lundin and have been looking at the OCA threads. I have an
> interest in selling my 1977 Cutlass Supreme V8 5-speed. Its in very nice
> shape, but has 200,00 miles on it. I have never been to an oldsmobile
> show and dont know whether brining my Cutlass by would be a way to offer
> it for sale or not. Is is usually permitted or is tht determined by show
> rules?
> Please let me know.
> Thanks.

Blue/Gray allows for sale signs (we're not ashamed to take your money if
you want to spend it to advertise your car for sale).  But not all
chapters accept for sale signs at shows.  It would be wise to check with
the co-ordinator of the show you're going to before hand.

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 06 Sep 1997 01:17:55 -0400
From: Ed Burger <eburger@sagelink.com>
Subject: '70 Olds 442

I purchased the '70 Olds 442 I mentioned here a few days back.  I paid
$1850 for it.  I will pick it up sometime next week.

Quick general question:  I don't have the time or money to work on this
car right away, so it's going to have to go out back (no garage space)
for the next half year or more.  Its right now in a rusting primer
gray.  If I want to get rid of the rust quick (I have about a week
before I go back to school) and don't want it to come back, what should
I do?  I don't have much money for this right now, so a car cover or
something nice like that (or paint!) is out of the question for now....

Thank for your replies,
Ed
'65 Triumph Spitfire (For Sale!)  <== Buy it and the 442 get a garage
space!
'70 Olds 442
'83 Buick Rivera

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 07:53:10 +0200
From: "archy van wely" <usicon@pi.net>
Subject: Re: Car ID-Numbers

Thanks very much for your help.
I really appriciate it.
Thanks again!
Greetings from Holland
Archy van Wely

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 06:00:31 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: advice on purchasing '70 442

>The front grille is also kind of bad.  How much would a new one be?  Are
>they interchangable with a Cutlass?  If the Cutlass's is different
>looking, would it at least line up (and what years would it)?

The Cutlass grille would bolt up, but it is different from the 442 grille.

>Everything from the original setup is in the trunk.  I don;t think I
>would have to get new hoses or anything then.  Probably just put it back
>together and get it charged, right?

Well, you could, but the probability that the seals have lost all their
ability to seal is very high, and your dryer probably is saturated, so it's
a good idea to replace all the O-rings, the compressor, and the
receiver/dryer, and then see if you have any other leaks. Freon is too
expensive to use for testing whether you have leaks or not.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 06:00:22 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Phantom Olds Never Built (Fantasy List)

>Every once in a while, the old brain backfires and brings up images of
>Oldsmobiles that could have been.  Here is a short sampling and I'll do a
>detail low down on each later:
[snip]
>Geeze, get back to reality.  Actually, some of the ones above are just
>cosmetic, like the 81-88 Rallye 350, so VERY do-able.  Hope this sparks
>some fantasy discussions.

Well, in thinking over what color exterior (besides green) could complement
the green interior of my '69 Toronado, I considered yellow, which led to the
idea of painting the bumpers yellow as well, adding a rear spoiler, glassing
in some OAI scoops onto the hood and modifying some decals for the rear
quarters to read "Rallye 455". Kind of an extroverted W-34, I guess.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:33:10 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> Bob
>
> >What color should the console be in a 1968 442 with white seats/door panels
> >and black carpeting.  Black would be my guess.  White would look a bit odd.
>
> My guess would be black.  My restoration guide does not specifically address
> what color the console should be, but on my 71 with pearl interior the only
> things pearl are the seats and the door panels (and the headliner if it were
> a coupe).  Everything else is black,  console, carpet, seat covers and dash.
>
> >Will a dual gate from a '70 442 fit in a '68 console?  I do not have a '68
> >console for an automatic, so I cannot just check the fit.
>
> Don't know the answer to that, but looking through my restoration guide, the
> pictures for the 68 auto console does not look anythine like the consoles
> from a 70-72.
>
> Steve Dietrich
>   S/E PA
>     71 442 W30 Conv.
>
a friend has a '68 H/O 442    White seats/ headliner and door
panels (1/2 white ,1/2 black) with black carpet, dash., etc ..
whith a black console ( and 8-track player).  The contrast looks
outstanding.  I've tried to talk him out of this car for about
10 years, no sale.

Forrest
'68 cutlass coupe (2)
'68 cutlass holiday hardtop

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 01:42:02 -0700
From: "Forrest Johnson" <johnson@edisongroup.com>
Subject: Re: Drum brake problem

CHANNING HINKLE wrote:
>
> I have a 71 Cutlass with all drum brakes.  When the car is not running
> the brake pedal seems normal enough, but when the car is running the
> pedal almost goes to the floor before the drums catch & then they barely
> catch.  The car set up for about 2 years & was fine until then.  I've
> changed the master cylinder, checked all the brake cylinders & even
> rebuilt the front ones (they were really bad).  Can't find any leaks.
> Any ideas???
>
> My drum brakes are indeed power brakes.  The master cylinder was bled.
> It is a rebuilt one.  The old master cylinder had exactly the same
> problems; no improvement with the new one.  The cylinders I rebuilt are
> definitely not leaking.  I have looked at the rear ones while someone
> presses the brakes, but did not see any signs of brake fluid leaking.
> The system has been bled twice to be sure.  As far as the adjustment of
> the shoes, can you tell me how to adjust them properly?  Don't seem to
> be losing any fluid out of the reservoir.
>
> Could this have anything to do with the "proportioning valve"?  How
> about defective power booster?  I know the booster is at least working
> partially due to the brake pedal is not hard.  When I pull the vacuum
> off of it the pedal is rock hard.  Another guy mentioned the brake
> hoses; that seems to be a possibility.
>
> Thanks again.
> This mailing list is really great.


Check your brake booster.  Use a vacuum pump to check for leak down.
You can sometimes hear the booster leaking (loud hiss) if you listen.
hold the brakes down and get as close as possible.  I had the same
problem in my '68 cutlass.  I took the booster off of the car and went
manual.  The booster had a bad diapham had I didn't have the $$$$ to
replace it that weekend.  Also, make sure the brakes
are adjusted correctly.

Forrest

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 08:14:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 455 blocks

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:Sun, 07 Sep 1997 00:48:37 -0400
From:"Eric T. Brubakken" <ebrubak@ix9.ix.netcom.com>
Subject: 455 blocks

I have just come across a 1974-76 455 engine. I do have some C and G
heads to replace the smog heads on this engine. But I keep seeing
references about the nickel content of these blocks is low.  I intend to
use this block as the bases for a strong engine build up.  I would like
this engine to spin near 6000+ RPM.  Is this the wrong way to go?

Thanks

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 18:52:58 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: insurance

 Doug,

J.C. Taylor is an excellent company w/a great reputation for delivering what
they promise.  You might also look at Hagerty insurance.  They don't have
the restrictions on use that J.C. Taylor has & have as good a reputation.
The price is right too.  They have a web site.  Also contact:

    Hagerty Classic Auto Insurance
    P.O. Box 87
    Traverse City, MI 49685
    PH 1-800-922-4050


>
>I'm reviewing the insurance on my 4-4-2's, has anyone had any experience
>with the J.C. Taylor, Antique Automobile Agency,Inc.? Their quote seemed
>very reasonable (compared to Farmers), but I don't know has the handle
>claims?! Any info would be appreciated!
>                   Thanks,
>
>Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue,Modified)  "67 4-4-2 convert(being
>restored)
>
>

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 14:56:16 +0200
From: "archy van wely" <usicon@pi.net>
Subject: rebuilt olds403

At the moment I am rebuilding a olds 403 from about '72-76.
I would like it to let it run about 6-7000 rpm.
Do I adjust all moving parts or just the distribution chain, valve's and
the overhead carrier.
Sorry if some technical name's are not what they should look like.
That's because I'm Dutch.
Anyway if anyone could help me, it would mean a great deal.
Greetings from Holland.
Archy

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:46:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: '70 Olds 442

ed, glad to here you got the car,  if your interested in tradeing that 72 442
rear bumper for a 70 442  rear bumper let me know .  steven, w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:57:52 -0400
From: "jake" <jake@ezo.net>
Subject: 1967 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop for sale

           A friend's son is a newlywed and you know how those things go!
1967 Cutlass Supreme convertible, 80% restored,runs
excellent,Lots of new parts, too many to list.    $4995
jake

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 10:28:46 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Phantom Olds Never Built (Fantasy List)

>
> >ANY Ninety Eight station wagon
>
> >| | | Brad Nicholson
>
>
> Brad,
>
> The 1971-1976 Custom Cruiser wagons _were_ essentially Ninety-Eight station
> wagons.  They just weren't called that.  As I recall, they were built on
> the 98 chassis, and they did have the 98's taillights.
>
>
>
> Dan

'tis true... my very first Olds was a '73 Custom Cruiser, loaded.
Wish I still had it; i.e., didn't give to my sister, who sold it so her
boyfriend-now-ex-hubby could buy a *yeccchh* Virago!



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:29:34 -0400
From: "jake" <jake@ezo.net>
Subject: 1967 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop for sale

           A friend's son is a newlywed and you know how those things go!
1967 Cutlass Supreme convertible, 80% restored,runs
excellent,Lots of new parts, too many to list.    $4995     (330)493-9391
ask for Chris
jake

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 06:10:31 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Questions

Joe,

>   Are the doors different between 1968 442 HT and SC?
>
>      Yep, 'fraid so.  Nice try, but those power window doors won't go on
>      your sport coupe.

It is eerie that you know me so well Joe. :-)

Chris

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 06:13:04 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> My guess would be black.  My restoration guide does not specifically address
> what color the console should be, but on my 71 with pearl interior the only
> things pearl are the seats and the door panels (and the headliner if it were
> a coupe).  Everything else is black,  console, carpet, seat covers and dash.

Seat covers?  Did these cars come with seat covers (slip on) back then?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:01:19 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

- ----------
> From: CarrDuff@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate
> Date: Saturday, September 06, 1997 10:30 PM
>
> Bob
>
> >What color should the console be in a 1968 442 with white seats/door
panels
> >and black carpeting.  Black would be my guess.  White would look a bit
odd.
>
> My guess would be black.  My restoration guide does not specifically
address
> what color the console should be

If it's any "console"-ation, my 69, (I know it's not a 68) Assembly manual
lists a parchment interior as requiring a black console.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:53:37 -0700
From: LARRY POLESNAK <ham@fan.net>
Subject: Cars for Sale in Pittsburgh,Pa.

These cars are for sale in the sunday paper for Sept. 7 ,1997..
1984 Hurst Olds-T-top,loaded needs work..$1000..412-882-9222 P.P.
1969 Cutlass conv.pwr.train,body restored ready to cruise,must sell
best offer 412-223-9189 P.P.
1976  98  4DR. Full pwr.78k orig.mi.new parts $900 412-655-0723 P.P
1977 Cutlass exc.cond.low mi.  one owner $5500 412-466-4969 P.P.
1969 Cutless w31 original, rare,fast, Best Offer 412-439-3731 P.P.
1970 Gold Hearse,52,000 mi.inspected,in use,exc. physical and mechanical
cond. 412-375-9260 P.P.
    see you later Larry Polesnak

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:25:55 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

MROTHE wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: CarrDuff@aol.com
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate
> > Date: Saturday, September 06, 1997 10:30 PM
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > >What color should the console be in a 1968 442 with white seats/door
> panels
> > >and black carpeting.  Black would be my guess.  White would look a bit
> odd.
> >
> > My guess would be black.  My restoration guide does not specifically
> address
> > what color the console should be
>
> If it's any "console"-ation, my 69, (I know it's not a 68) Assembly manual
> lists a parchment interior as requiring a black console.
>
> Mike Rothe

Gee I don't feel consoled at all.  I have a 69 442 with white interior
and white console.  Although I'm not the original owner, I've got no
reason to believe the console was changed.  I want to maintain
originality so I also interested in comparing notes.  Wayne

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 14:33:42 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate



> Gee I don't feel consoled at all.  I have a 69 442 with white interior
> and white console.  Although I'm not the original owner, I've got no
> reason to believe the console was changed.  I want to maintain
> originality so I also interested in comparing notes.  Wayne


Oh well, so much for what the books say and what you could get.  I suppose
those would be recommended color combos, instead of "required", since the
factory  would do just about anything a customer wanted as far as trim
combos/colors back then.   I remember once I ALMOST got a 70 W-30, auto on
the tree, Nugget Gold/black stripes, and a "Kermit the Frog" green
interior.  Documented this way..I would have never believed it if I hadn't
seen the original build sheet....beautiful car, but the interior
color....eeeeyuck!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:24:46
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: NAOC (long-not any more)

At 08:58 PM 9/6/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>My cars & their alias'
>'64 Cutlass
>'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
>'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
>'69 Toronado (Toro II)
>'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

When is the '64 going to get an alias?


Dan



*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:34:40
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Brining my Cutlass to a show?

At 01:10 AM 9/7/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Charles Lundin wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>> I am Chuck Lundin and have been looking at the OCA threads. I have an
>> interest in selling my 1977 Cutlass Supreme V8 5-speed. Its in very nice
>> shape, but has 200,00 miles on it. I have never been to an oldsmobile
>> show and dont know whether brining my Cutlass by would be a way to offer
>> it for sale or not. Is is usually permitted or is tht determined by show
>> rules?
>> Please let me know.
>> Thanks.
>
>Blue/Gray allows for sale signs (we're not ashamed to take your money if
>you want to spend it to advertise your car for sale).  But not all
>chapters accept for sale signs at shows.  It would be wise to check with
>the co-ordinator of the show you're going to before hand.

Most car shows I've attended, if they do not permit "for sale" signs in the
cars on the show field will have a separate "car corral" where people who
are interested in selling a car can park it.  We have that at our
(Mid-Ohio) chapter show.


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 14:58:03 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Seat belt buckels

Can someone tell me the color of the seatbelt buckels for a 69 442.  It
seems to me that I've seen both chrome and colored to match the seatbelt
fabric color.  Wayne

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 12:24:58 -0700
From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Subject: Re: '70 Olds 442

Ed Burger wrote:
>
> I purchased the '70 Olds 442 I mentioned here a few days back.  I paid
> $1850 for it.  I will pick it up sometime next week.
>
> Quick general question:  I don't have the time or money to work on this
> car right away, so it's going to have to go out back (no garage space)
> for the next half year or more.  Its right now in a rusting primer
> gray.  If I want to get rid of the rust quick (I have about a week
> before I go back to school) and don't want it to come back, what should
> I do?  I don't have much money for this right now, so a car cover or
> something nice like that (or paint!) is out of the question for now....
>
> Thank for your replies,
> Ed
> '65 Triumph Spitfire (For Sale!)  <== Buy it and the 442 get a garage
> space!
> '70 Olds 442
> '83 Buick Rivera
If the rust is only minor and on the surface, sand is off and re-prime
the spot.  This should prevent any further rust.  Car covers are
expensive, especially for outdoor ones.  Maybe you could buy a big tarp
to put over it.  Whatever works for you!
Later
Brad
70 442

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 97 15:27:10 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Console colors

     I've been reading the console color debate with interest, but I think
     several people are talking past each other.  Mike Rothe indicates that
     his 69 assembly manual (same automatic console as 67-68) should be
     black with a white interior, while others claim that they have seen
     white interior cars with a white console.  Would that white console be
     a manual trans car?  All of the 67-69 automatic consoles I've ever
     seen (factory installed) have been black (H/Os included, naturally),
     while the MT consoles (same from 64-69) _were_ made in white (and,
     presumably other colors).  I currently have a white 4 speed console in
     my basement, due to go in the 68 W-30.  As for the 70-72 consoles, I
     can't say that I've ever seen a white one, but I've definitely seen
     colors other than black.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30



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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 97 15:42:11 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@orbital.com>
Subject: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

Ed Burger wrote:

..I don't have the time or money to work on this car right away, so it's going
to have to go out back (no garage space) for the next half year or more...

     First, DON'T cover the car with a tarp or other plastic or watertight
     covering.  Moisture will condense on the underside of the tarp,
     increasing humidity dramatically and leading to increased surface rust
     and probable mustiness inside the car.

     Second (and, unfortunately, this comes from direct personal
     experience) DO NOT park the car under trees or anywhere that leaves or
     other debris like that can accumulate on the car.  Dead leaves have a
     way of migrating into the most obscure areas, like the bottoms of the
     front fenders and under the chrome trim around the windshield and back
     window.  Naturally, this debris will retain water, leading to
     accelerated rusting.

     My suggestions:

     Get a breathable cloth (not nylon) car cover.  Spend the money and get
     a good one.  Wash the car before parking it and put the cover on it.
     Yes, the car will get wet, but it will also dry as rapidly as
     possible.

     Put a tray of mothballs inside the car to absorb moisture.

     If you must park under/near trees, consider stringing a tarp up over
     the car.  This will keep the leaves off the car, yet allow for
     moisture to evaporate.

     This might sound radical, but if the chrome around the windshield/back
     window is currently installed, consider removing it to prevent debris
     from building up under it and leading to the dreaded pinchweld rust
     (if the car is in primer, then these parts may already be removed).
     Also, remove the stainless steel strip at the base of the windshield.

     Congrats and good luck.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:59:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

In a message dated 97-09-07 15:47:42 EDT, you write:

<<      This might sound radical, but if the chrome around the
windshield/back
      window is currently installed, consider removing it to prevent debris
      from building up under it and leading to the dreaded pinchweld rust
      (if the car is in primer, then these parts may already be removed).
      Also, remove the stainless steel strip at the base of the windshield.

      Congrats and good luck.

      Joe Padavano
      padavano.joe@orbital.com
     >>

Anybody ever heard of the trick of melting candle along that chrome strip??
Heard of it but never done it....any opinions or know of anybody having done
this?

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:04:03 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Cars for Sale in Pittsburgh,Pa.

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date:Sun, 07 Sep 1997 11:53:37 -0700
From:LARRY POLESNAK <ham@fan.net>
Subject: Cars for Sale in Pittsburgh,Pa.

These cars are for sale in the sunday paper for Sept. 7 ,1997..
1984 Hurst Olds-T-top,loaded needs work..$1000..412-882-9222 P.P.
1969 Cutlass conv.pwr.train,body restored ready to cruise,must sell
best offer 412-223-9189 P.P.
1976  98  4DR. Full pwr.78k orig.mi.new parts $900 412-655-0723 P.P
1977 Cutlass exc.cond.low mi.  one owner $5500 412-466-4969 P.P.
1969 Cutless w31 original, rare,fast, Best Offer 412-439-3731 P.P.
1970 Gold Hearse,52,000 mi.inspected,in use,exc. physical and mechanical
cond. 412-375-9260 P.P.
    see you later Larry Polesnak

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:40:38 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: Console colors

padavano.joe wrote:
>
>      I've been reading the console color debate with interest, but I think
>      several people are talking past each other.  Mike Rothe indicates that
>      his 69 assembly manual (same automatic console as 67-68) should be
>      black with a white interior, while others claim that they have seen
>      white interior cars with a white console.  Would that white console be
>      a manual trans car?  All of the 67-69 automatic consoles I've ever
>      seen (factory installed) have been black (H/Os included, naturally),
>      while the MT consoles (same from 64-69) _were_ made in white (and,
>      presumably other colors).  I currently have a white 4 speed console in
>      my basement, due to go in the 68 W-30.  As for the 70-72 consoles, I
>      can't say that I've ever seen a white one, but I've definitely seen
>      colors other than black.
>
>      Joe Padavano
>      padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30
>
>
Sorry to screw things up but my 69 442 console is white and its an AT.
Also in T. Patrick Sillivan's book Oldsmobile, 442 $ W - machines is a
picture of a 69 442 convert (like mine) on page 83.  Although its not a
color photo, the console (AT) appears to be white. I have an original
sale brouchre showing a 442 with red seats, red carpets and red MT
console.  Looks like various combinations were possible.

Wayne Schwartz
69 442 convertible

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:47:10 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

CarrDuff@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-09-05 16:50:12 EDT, you write:
>
> << Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>  71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html) >>
>
>   Kurt, are you talking about the "Ignitor Electronic Ignition" product line
> offered by Year One to replace the old point system ?
>
>   I just purchased one of these for my 71 442, haven't used it yet, but I had
> planned to when I'm ready to run the car.
>
> Steve Dietrich
>   S/E PA
>     71 442 W30 Conv.

That's the one!
- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:47:27 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Seat belt buckels

Here we go again!  In '69, apparently there were THREE belt buckles that go
in the car.  First, if you have the standard belts (large buckles), there
were color-keyed buckles, and I've seen, (but cannot absolutely verify if
produced)  large silver/chrome buckles in the 69 Youngmobiles dealership
flyer picture of a 442 interior.  The others were the "deluxe" belts (small
buckles) which the seatbelts were color-keyed, but the buckles were all
silver/chrome.

Mike Rothe

- ----------
> From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
> To: olds chat <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Seat belt buckels
> Date: Sunday, September 07, 1997 2:58 PM
>
> Can someone tell me the color of the seatbelt buckels for a 69 442.  It
> seems to me that I've seen both chrome and colored to match the seatbelt
> fabric color.  Wayne

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:24:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Console colors

Have lately run across 2-3 '68 Cutlass automatics in the local junkyard
with white interiors--seats, door panels, AND console--with the black carpet.
Whatever turns you on is okay, but that's what I've been finding.
FYI.
Coupe King

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:07:01 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: [none]

testing?

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 16:31:09 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: NAOC (long-not any more)

>When is the '64 going to get an alias?

Actually it did this weekend - Ruby - after the story one of the Chapter
members told me about acquiring his '67 C/S from a dear old lady named
Ruby, etc.

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Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:49:17 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Dustin's tests

Dustin Cross wrote:
>
> testing?

Hmm, school musta started again.  Dustin's already taking tests.  By the
way, we've got your scores here, and you may not want to know the
results :)
- --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 16:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "H. Karamanos" <hikara@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: naoc

join the naoc lisa.  they let me in and i have a good time talking to
those old geezers about parts and their stories.  they are coming around
to being more any olds up to 64 oriennted than they were.  the latest
runabouts to rockets has 2!!!  modified car articles in it.  heaven help
us.  when i first joined they were not happy about a car that was being
modified.  but like dan said they arent making any more 47, 50, 55, 59 etc
cars.  the average age is definitely over the 40 number, im even 50
myself.  but i do believe that without the naoc i would not have all the
parts i needed for my 47.  at the first naoc event i went to, the 95
nationals in prescott az, i found them to not quite be as stuffed shirts
as my first oca event was.  but i do drive modified cars and sometimes
older guys are not approving of hotrods.  so just lite um up and theyll
get over it.

   47rocket98   jack

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:11:18 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Console colors

COUPEKING@aol.com wrote:
>
> Have lately run across 2-3 '68 Cutlass automatics in the local junkyard
> with white interiors--seats, door panels, AND console--with the black carpet.
> Whatever turns you on is okay, but that's what I've been finding.
> FYI.
> Coupe King

Where are located that you're finding these cars in junkyards with
consoles intact!?!?!?!
I'm lucky when find an old Olds in a junkyard, and even luckier when I
find ~anything~ left on it!

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:07:37 -0400
From: "jake" <jake@ezo.net>
Subject: 1967 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop for sale

           A friend's son is a newlywed and you know how those things go!
1967 Cutlass Supreme convertible, 80% restored,runs
excellent,Lots of new parts, too many to list.    $4995   (330)493-9391
ask for Chris
jake

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:55:35 -0400
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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 20:26:41 +0000
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: More console colors...

Well, folks, I've been trying to research this, but I'm not doing very
well.

I've got SPECS books for '68 and '69 that tell you the color of the
carpet, headliner, dash, standard seatbelts and deluxe seatbelts, but do
you think they tell you the color of the damn consoles???  I did learn
that not all standard seatbelts are black, those must be the ones with
the colored buckles.

The '68 Colors and Trims book has an illustration of a white Cutlass
Supreme coupe interior with bucket seats, but do think they included a
console in the drawing?  There's also a drawing of a garnet 442 coupe
interior with an MT console, which looks garnet to match the seats.

The '69 Colors and Trims book has no white bucket seats illustrated,
that figures, doesn't it?

Both the '68 and '69 Product Selling Information books make extensive
mention of console availability and features, but say nothing about
color compatibility.

Sorry folks,

Paul
- --
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:04:48 -0400
From: Nick <naugens@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: '70 Olds 442

>Ed Burger wrote:
>
>..I don't have the time or money to work on this car right away, so it's going
>to have to go out back (no garage space) for the next half year or more...
>
>     First, DON'T cover the car with a tarp or other plastic or watertight
>     covering.  Moisture will condense on the underside of the tarp,
>     increasing humidity dramatically and leading to increased surface rust
>     and probable mustiness inside the car.

>     Put a tray of mothballs inside the car to absorb moisture.

>     Joe Padavano
>     padavano.joe@orbital.com

Joe, I ran across a product a number of years ago that is great for
preventing and even killing mildew in a car in storage.  It is called
Di-Gas.  This is a powdered material ( mostly paraformaldehyde ) that
sublimes as do moth balls.  It is made by Vapor Products, P.O. 568395, out
of Orlando, Fl.  The company can tell you what stores sell it; I think I
made my last purchase at Builders Square. It was about $1.80 per bag in
1994.  The only draw back is that it saturates plastics and takes 2 days to
air out.  You can drive the car immediately if necessary, but you will want
to have your head hanging out the window.  None the less, you will NOT have
any musty odor in the car no matter how many years it is  "in mothballs" nor
will you have any crawling critters.

Nick Augenstein
naugens@exis.net

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Date: Sun,  7 Sep 1997 21:02:36, -0500
From: MECHWARRIOR2MASTER@prodigy.com (SIR KAL KAL M NADROFSKY)
Subject: Unsubscribe please

Unsubscribe

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:11:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

In a message dated 97-09-07 12:13:48 EDT, you write:

<< f it's any "console"-ation, my 69, (I know it's not a 68) Assembly manual
 lists a parchment interior as requiring a black console.

 Mike Rothe >>


""console"-ation"  Ha,  very good .................

Steve Dietrich

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Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 21:17:26 -0400
From: Jim & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Console/Dual Gate

Hey guys,

        That console on 68-69's will be white. I have two books that
contradict each other. I have not seen a white interior 68 or 69 with a
black console installed. That did change in 70 when the console in white
interiors were black.

Just my $.02

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:23:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

In a message dated 97-09-07 17:04:35 EDT, you write:

<< That's the one!
 --
 Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
 71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html) >>


I wonder is I should even try it now ?  It sounded pretty good to me.  Keep
the stock distributor and just insert this electronic unit.
I'll have to think about it now,  and if I do, I'll have keep an extra set of
points with me just like you did.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA.
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: pre 71 455 cores

Hi John
   I have two  1970 '455' longblocks  that  are on shipping pallets in dry
storage. They have been out of the cars and sitting about 5 years in a shed
covered. I am selling them for $500.00 each plus shipping. I know you are
from Texas but just wanted you to know they are avail if you need one.


Everett   OCAª 1961

E&G Automotive          1950 - 1975 NOS & Used Oldsmobile Parts
PO Box 16095
Rumford, R.I. 02916
1-401-435-7139

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