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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, September 5 1997      Volume 01 : Number 834



UNBOUNCE: 442 Sales
advice on purchasing '70 442
Re: DRUM BRAKES01
Re: Motion Olds - MCR
H*lp needed on 73 88 info
tag decode
Carburetor number
Re: Carburetor number
Re: tag decode
Re: Carburetor number
Re: Carburetor number
Re: Carburetor number
Re: DRUM BRAKES
Re: tag decode
Re: '66-67 442 motor
Re: Carburetor number
Re: Carburetor number
Re: DRUM BRAKES
Re: Pertronix vs HEI
Re: tag decode
oldsmobile-digest V1 ª832
Re: advice on purchasing '70 442
Delta 88 road-ready
1968 442 Bucket Seat Interchange
Heat Leaks
Re: Heat Leaks
Re: Heat Leaks
Re: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...
Ratio Adapters
Re: 1968 442 Bucket Seat Interchange
Operating Temp of '68 350 (was Re: Question)
Re: Carb Shop HEI conversion
Re: Heat Leaks
Brake Problems
Re: Lisa's 64 Cutlass
'67 442 for sale
69 H/O Fire Frost paint-coming soon to a paint store near you!
88 Cutlass for sale
1983 Cutlass for sale
Re: I'm Back, and a New Olds Seen in Dodge
Re: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...
Re: 69 H/O Fire Frost paint-coming soon to a paint store near you!
Re: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?
Re: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...
Re: Quadra Qs...
Re: hei/pertronix
Re: Carburetor number
Re: I'm Back, and a New Olds Seen in Dodge
Re: Motion Olds - MCR
'64 VIN decode
Re: advice on purchasing '70 442
Olds delta 88 royale town sedan 1976 (help)
Tail-Light Reflector for '55 Olds.
Phone number for olds club of Florida
Re: Tail-Light Reflector for '55 Olds.

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:49:17 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 442 Sales

Forwarding due to address problems... working on it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: 442 Sales
Date:Thu, 4 Sep 1997 15:41:44 -0400 (EDT)

Hi Folks, Got this out of the 9/4/97 Phila. Inquirer Want ads.


Olds 442 '68 Conv 400 eng.
Needs Full Restoration $1400
609-265-0839

Olds 442 '65 Conv auto 50k
orig. miles Very good cond. $7500
215-699-6401
Beep 215-577-9148


Peter L. House
'87 Salon
phouse@feith.com

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 19:21:16 -0400
From: Ed Burger <eburger@sagelink.com>
Subject: advice on purchasing '70 442

Hello list,
    There is a '70 Olds 442 for sale locally that I am thinking of
purchasing.  It is not a W-30 car.  It has a good running (original)
455, with an HEI.  The body is in primer right now, ready for paint (all
the bumpers, etc are removed).  The interior is in very nice shape,
except the front buckets are not original (they are from an 80's
Camaro).  It has 14" Rally-II rims with tires, and he is throwing in a
set of 15" Rally-II rims as well.  The front bumper is real nice.  The
rear bumper is actually a '72 and could use a re-chroming.  All the
electrics work.  The stereo is a non-stock am/fm/cassette.  It has an
aftermarket rear de-fogger (the installation is very nice).  It does not
have the rally gauges.  It has air, but its all disconnected.  The top
end of the engine has recently been rebuilt.  It has an offy aluminum
manifold and a Holley dual feed 850.  It has the orig. intake and carb
too.

Uhm ... I think thats everything.  The owners wants $2200, which seems
an incredible deal.... am I right?

Thanks for you replies,
Ed

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:39:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: C191145cal@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRUM BRAKES01

Having not said, but from the description on start up, I must assume you have
power brakes.


Did you bench bleed the master cylinder? Is it a new or rebuilt master
cylinder, and for four wheel drum p/b?  Are you sure the wheel cylinders are
not leaking?  Pull back the dust boots on each one and look for drips.  Did
you bleed all of the air out of the whole system { front and rear wheel
cylinders}  until fresh fluid flowed out of the bleeders?  Are you sure that
you adjusted the shoes up correctly?  Are you loosing any fluid from the
reservoir?

Need some answers to pin it down..

Jim NY

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 16:39:10 -0700
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Motion Olds - MCR

Popular Mechanics mentioned in their magazine last month that their '84
Cutlass project car with a Chevy Big block was going up for auction and to
watch their web site for details.  I was at their site and didn't see
anything about it.  I assume this car is one-and-the-same as the one you
mentioned?

Charley Buehner wrote:

> Anybody remember a few months ago the rumor of one of the mags doing a
> build-up of a mid-80's Cutlass with a bb che*y?  The one that many of us
> e-mailed them trying to talk some sense into them?  Seems to me it was
> Popular Mechanics or something...   Anyone ever followed up on it, or
> seen any updates?  Did it ever happen, etc.
>
> --
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>              Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 17:15:12 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: H*lp needed on 73 88 info

>From the OCA Web Page
Reply privately to him as he isn't a member of the newsgroup, but I told
him how to join.

- ----------------------------------------
Subject:    1973 Delta 88
Date:       Thu, 04 Sep 1997 13:21:15 -0700
From:       "John D.Tyger" <john.d.tyger@npd01.usace.army.mil>
Organization: USACE, NPD
To: brad442@erols.com

Brad

I'm not sure if you can help me but I have found an older Olds, a 1973
Delta 88 with a 455 2 bbl and only 38,000 miles. It really looks sharp
but I was wondering if you organization is a good place to get some
particular data about this model?

I am looking at it just from a transportation standpoint and have some
questions.  For example every manufacture has models and combinations of
power trains to avoid, is this one of them?  The mid to late 70's were
in my recollection a nightmare from a pollution standpoint one that
really played heck with overall performance and mileage. This car
doesn't have a smog-pump, and doesn't look like it had one. I was
wondering if any of your folks could give me any advice about this
particular car model?

Thanks

John Tyger
- ---------------------------------------

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 20:03:29 -0400
From: Ed Burger <eburger@sagelink.com>
Subject: tag decode

Hello!  Could anyone help me decode the following tag off of a '70 442?

ST    70    34487    G    23487    BDY
TR930                58    58    PNT
10D

Thanks!

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:05:25 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Carburetor number

Two questions:

I need clarification on the difference between the "Net Horsepower"
rating used beginning for the 72 model year and the previous method
("Gross Method??) that was used prior to 72. Is there a big difference
in the performance of the 350 olds engine from 71 to 72?  For example,
the HP rating for the 71 350 2V  single exhaust is 240 , and the same
configuration for the 72 is 175 .  Are the engines basically the same
with the only difference being the different rating methods, or are
there other considerations also.

Is the correct carburetor on a 72 350 2V 7042156?

Thanks.

This mailing list is the greatest!!

Joe

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 20:18:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

i believe the heads differ between the two years.  i think there is a slight
compression ratio difference too.  it might also be the cam.

73 cutlass w/403
mikey tvb@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:56:51 -0400
From: Lindsey Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: tag decode

At 08:03 PM 9/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello!  Could anyone help me decode the following tag off of a '70 442?
>
>ST    70    34487    G    23487    BDY
>TR930                58    58    PNT
>10D
>
>Thanks!
>
>
70= Model tear 1970
3= Car Division Oldsmobile
44= 442 Series
87= 2-Door plain back hardtop coupe
G= Assembly plant at Framingham, Ma.
23487= The production sequence
TR930= Cutlass/442 coupe black vinyl bucket seats
58= Paint color burnished gold
10D= ??? sorry not sure

Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 Convertible
1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
Thomaston, Maine

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:13:53 -0400
From: Lindsey Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

At 08:05 PM 9/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Two questions:
>
>I need clarification on the difference between the "Net Horsepower"
>rating used beginning for the 72 model year and the previous method
>("Gross Method??) that was used prior to 72. Is there a big difference
>in the performance of the 350 olds engine from 71 to 72?  For example,
>the HP rating for the 71 350 2V  single exhaust is 240 , and the same
>configuration for the 72 is 175 .  Are the engines basically the same
>with the only difference being the different rating methods, or are
>there other considerations also.
>
>Is the correct carburetor on a 72 350 2V 7042156?
>
>Thanks.
>
>This mailing list is the greatest!!
>
>Joe
>
The book I have shows the correct carb number for the 72 -350 as 7042250.
I found this in the Brother's Automotive catalog.

Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 Convertible
1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
Thomaston, Maine

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:19:34 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

Lindsey Barlow wrote:
>
> At 08:05 PM 9/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Two questions:
> >
> >I need clarification on the difference between the "Net Horsepower"
> >rating used beginning for the 72 model year and the previous method
> >("Gross Method??) that was used prior to 72. Is there a big difference
> >in the performance of the 350 olds engine from 71 to 72?  For example,
> >the HP rating for the 71 350 2V  single exhaust is 240 , and the same
> >configuration for the 72 is 175 .  Are the engines basically the same
> >with the only difference being the different rating methods, or are
> >there other considerations also.
> >
> >Is the correct carburetor on a 72 350 2V 7042156?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >This mailing list is the greatest!!
> >
> >Joe
> >
> The book I have shows the correct carb number for the 72 -350 as 7042250.
> I found this in the Brother's Automotive catalog.
>
> Al Barlow
> 1971 Olds 442 Convertible
> 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
> Thomaston, Maine
That was the same number that I came up with. I guess that could be the
number for a 4V.
Thanks

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:34:38 -0700
From: "J. Michael Wolfe" <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

Lindsey Barlow wrote:
>
> At 08:05 PM 9/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
> >Two questions:
> >
> >I need clarification on the difference between the "Net Horsepower"
> >rating used beginning for the 72 model year and the previous method
> >("Gross Method??) that was used prior to 72. Is there a big difference
> >in the performance of the 350 olds engine from 71 to 72?  For example,
> >the HP rating for the 71 350 2V  single exhaust is 240 , and the same
> >configuration for the 72 is 175 .  Are the engines basically the same
> >with the only difference being the different rating methods, or are
> >there other considerations also.
> >
> >Is the correct carburetor on a 72 350 2V 7042156?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >This mailing list is the greatest!!
> >
> >Joe
> >
> The book I have shows the correct carb number for the 72 -350 as 7042250.
> I found this in the Brother's Automotive catalog.
>
> Al Barlow
> 1971 Olds 442 Convertible
> 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
> Thomaston, Maine
Al, do you have any SS2's available at a bargain price?

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:45:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRUM BRAKES

Always a good idea to replace the rubber brake hoses on a car rhat's set a
while. They may look OK  from outside but have often swollen shut on the
inside and may not be transmitting the force from the brake master to the
wheel cyl's.
Coupe King

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:46:46
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: tag decode

At 08:56 PM 9/4/97 -0400, you wrote:

>70= Model tear 1970
>3= Car Division Oldsmobile
>44= 442 Series
>87= 2-Door plain back hardtop coupe
>G= Assembly plant at Framingham, Ma.
>23487= The production sequence
>TR930= Cutlass/442 coupe black vinyl bucket seats
>58= Paint color burnished gold
>10D= ??? sorry not sure

10D is probably a build date code for the body?  10 = October, D = 4th week
of the month.  Or it could be the other way around, with D = April (4th
letter = 4th month) and 10 = 10th of the month.  So your car's body was
built either in the fourth week of October, 1969 or April 10, 1970.  If it
smells like pumpkins inside, then it's October.  If it smell like Easter
eggs, it's April!  How's that for a definitive answer?!  :)



Dan



*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:48:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: '66-67 442 motor

Helps a lot. As i don't have all the specialized bits , I might just build a
455 instead.
Coupe King

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:52:57
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

At 08:05 PM 9/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Two questions:
>
>I need clarification on the difference between the "Net Horsepower"
>rating used beginning for the 72 model year and the previous method
>("Gross Method??) that was used prior to 72. Is there a big difference
>in the performance of the 350 olds engine from 71 to 72?  For example,
>the HP rating for the 71 350 2V  single exhaust is 240 , and the same
>configuration for the 72 is 175 .  Are the engines basically the same
>with the only difference being the different rating methods, or are
>there other considerations also.

Joe,

I believe the difference between the pre-1972 HP ratings and the ones for
1972 and later is that, in 1972, the manufacturers began having to report
the _net_ horsepower available to actually move the car after subtracting
out all of the power losses to the engine due to added accessories and so
forth.  The net rating is a more accurate measure of the power actually
available to propel the car.

Somebody please correct me if I don't have this right.


Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************
see photos of the Oldsmobile Centennial at
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/lansing/lansing.html
*********************************************************

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:50:38 -0400
From: Lindsey Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

At 09:34 PM 9/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Lindsey Barlow wrote:
>>
>> At 08:05 PM 9/4/97 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Two questions:
>> >
>> >I need clarification on the difference between the "Net Horsepower"
>> >rating used beginning for the 72 model year and the previous method
>> >("Gross Method??) that was used prior to 72. Is there a big difference
>> >in the performance of the 350 olds engine from 71 to 72?  For example,
>> >the HP rating for the 71 350 2V  single exhaust is 240 , and the same
>> >configuration for the 72 is 175 .  Are the engines basically the same
>> >with the only difference being the different rating methods, or are
>> >there other considerations also.
>> >
>> >Is the correct carburetor on a 72 350 2V 7042156?
>> >
>> >Thanks.
>> >
>> >This mailing list is the greatest!!
>> >
>> >Joe
>> >
>> The book I have shows the correct carb number for the 72 -350 as 7042250.
>> I found this in the Brother's Automotive catalog.
>>
>> Al Barlow
>> 1971 Olds 442 Convertible
>> 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
>> Thomaston, Maine
>Al, do you have any SS2's available at a bargain price?
>
>Joe,
I guess the question is what do you mean by a bargain price? I just paid
$35 for two rims and was given the other three. They need to be sandblasted
and repainted but are in good shape. My big quest is an original OAI (ram
air) hood for my 71 442. I think I have E-Mailed everyone in the U.S. but
have only found one hood that the person will not sell. Any help would be
appreciated. It's funny because I'm selling my set of (5) SSI's with the
center caps so I can put  the SSII's on my 442. I think they look much
better. Each to his own I guess. Good talking to you.

Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 Convertible
1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible (parts car)
Thomaston, Maine


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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:57:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: DRUM BRAKES

Always a good idea to replace the rubber brake hoses on a car rhat's set a
while. They may look OK  from outside but have often swollen shut on the
inside and may not be transmitting the force from the brake master to the
wheel cyl's.
Coupe King

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:02:46 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Pertronix vs HEI

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> Jeff and Bob,
>
<snip>
>
> Jeff, it's your call.  I think we all know the huge benefits of a
> properly tuned HEI, but no one's real sure of this Pertronix thing.  If
> you try it, let us know how it goes.

Been there, tried it, pulled it.
The problem I had was the rotating assembly with the magnets ended up
crashing into the Hall Effect sensor.  Year One took it back with no
questions asked (great service).  I think the rotating ring is not well
balanced thus causing wobble and eventual crash.  Luckily I kept the
points and condensor in the glove compartment, so I was back on the road
in 15 minutes.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:55:41 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: tag decode

> 70= Model tear 1970
> 3= Car Division Oldsmobile
> 44= 442 Series
> 87= 2-Door plain back hardtop coupe
> G= Assembly plant at Framingham, Ma.
> 23487= The production sequence
> TR930= Cutlass/442 coupe black vinyl bucket seats
> 58= Paint color burnished gold
> 10D= ??? sorry not sure
>
10D is fourth week in Oct 69 build date schedule.

Mike Rothe

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Date: 4 Sep 1997 18:17:20 PST
From: mjones@dragon.gleep.com
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª832

OL>oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, September 4 1997     Volume 01 : Number 832

OL>Mike's 88's Oil Pressure

Ahh, thank you Bob for your explination.  I would like to rebuild an
engine for this vehicle like a 425/455 but I do not have much time (full
time work/full time school) to do it now.  If I can find a 425 I will
rebuild that.  I understand about the .921 lifter/39 deg toro blocks and
the .842 lifter/45 deg 88/98/wagon blocks, I'd like to find the Toro
block if I can.


Here is what I plan to do:     HV Oil Pump
      (HP add-ons)             Crane 260 max. velocity cam
                         (260/272 adv. dur, .456/.484 lift)
                               Double roller timing set
                               '78 350 wagon Q-jet
                               (still being rebuilt)
                               Oil cooler (w/Diesel oil filter mount)

The rest will be a stock 425 rebuild.  All I need is torque

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 2dr

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 21:53:19 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: advice on purchasing '70 442

Ed Burger wrote:
>
> Hello list,
>     There is a '70 Olds 442 for sale locally that I am thinking of
> purchasing.  It is not a W-30 car.  It has a good running (original)
> 455, with an HEI.  The body is in primer right now, ready for paint (all
> the bumpers, etc are removed).  The interior is in very nice shape,
> except the front buckets are not original (they are from an 80's
> Camaro).  It has 14" Rally-II rims with tires, and he is throwing in a
> set of 15" Rally-II rims as well.  The front bumper is real nice.  The
> rear bumper is actually a '72 and could use a re-chroming.  All the
> electrics work.  The stereo is a non-stock am/fm/cassette.  It has an
> aftermarket rear de-fogger (the installation is very nice).  It does not
> have the rally gauges.  It has air, but its all disconnected.  The top
> end of the engine has recently been rebuilt.  It has an offy aluminum
> manifold and a Holley dual feed 850.  It has the orig. intake and carb
> too.
>
> Uhm ... I think thats everything.  The owners wants $2200, which seems
> an incredible deal.... am I right?
>
> Thanks for you replies,
> Ed


Buy it!  If the body is real solid, you can't go wrong for 2200.  Figure
out why you want it first. Is it for restoration?  Are you just wanting
a cool street rod?  If you want to restore it, think about all that cash
you'll lay down for getting the "right" parts, then double it.
(restoration factor)

If not, then it should be a real nice cruiser.  Maybe you can trade the
71/72 bumper for the 70 style, and you'd be on the right path.

Anyway, 2200 is not a bad price.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:10:22 -0400
From: Dave Ward <ward@ptbo.igs.net>
Subject: Delta 88 road-ready

After months of waiting, the '78 Delta will finally be ready for the
road!  Now that the bank roll is sufficient, I will go shopping for the
parts I need.  It needs a complete brake system overhaul, and the only
re-usable parts are the mast. cyl. and proportioning valve;  everything
else will be going on my credit card.

I'm doing the work in at my high school's auto shop, so the labour is
free (thank God), and I can get the parts at 15% off.  Once the brakes
are done, she'll have a major tune-up (which includes rebuilding the
carb), and new rubber on all four corners.  When the weather is nice
again (late April '98), I hope to have it sanded down to bare metal, and
she'll get a fresh paint job.  (still considering dual x-hsts)

What colour should I paint it?  For the past twenty years it's been
burgundy w/ red cloth (same as Greg B.'s) and I'd like to change it....I
was considering either pearl white or c-coat black.  Any suggestions?

I've even made plans to get a personalized license plate, and I've
finally made a decision as to what to put on it:

GOOD2GO

In the next week or so, I'll likely run into a problem or ten, and so
far the most reliable info source has been this list...it's been
appreciated!

Thanks,

S. Dave Ward(Peterborough, Ontario, CANADA)

'78 Delta 88 (350 4bbl.)  *under construction*
'85 Delta 88 (307 4bbl.)  *daily driver*
'91 GMC Sierra 4x4 (305 TBI)  *winter driver*

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:23:01 -0300
From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Subject: 1968 442 Bucket Seat Interchange

Hi Gang,

Will a set of buckets from a 1972 Cutlass be "correct" in a 1968 442?  It
seems to me that the only difference (other than seat covering) would be the
location of the seat back release.  I know it should be on the side for
1968s, but I do not know where it is located on 1972.

Thanks for any information.

Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:25:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Heat Leaks

Reading Sparky's heat woes reminds me we have a problem with heat in the 70
SX.

The side of the metal dash to the left of the steering column, only the left,
gets hotter than h--- after about 30 minutes of driving.  I've search all
over the firewall and sealed anything that even looks like a leakage source
to the interior.  No luck.

Does anyone know of a potential source for this leak?  Any "hidden" holes in
the body I can't see with the front clip on the car?  Given that it takes
some time to occur and that turning on the A/C immediately cures the problem
(until you turn it off of course) - is that a clue.

BTW, this heat comes in even when the heater core is disconnected, so that's
not it.  It seems to be engine compartment heat that's coming in.

Suggestions?

Bob Handren (AKA MajorDOMA)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:49:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Heat Leaks

could this be electrical problem?, is wireing getting hot?, air running
across wires can be hot.  food for thought?, steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:51:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Heat Leaks

one more thing, i seem to recall a flasher silinoid clips onto dash just to
the left of colum and under dash,  just a thought!    steven.
w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 02:52:27 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...

>First the 2.5-- it's in an '86 (friends car) and it's completly
<snip>
>tried turning it over with the coil disconnected to get oil pressure prior
>to the start.  Hmm.  Idiot light won't go off.  Replace sender (that must
>be the problem, right?).  No dice--light still glows.  For some reason I
>can't get oil pressure.  The oil pump is new, and it is'nt leaking from
>anywhere.  The pump drive rod is also in there, and turning when the
>engine is turning over (I took the cover off and checked it).  Any ideas?
>Is it possible that there is some internal galley plug I missed?  I'm
>probibly going to try to pull the oil pan and check the pump, but since

I think you'll have to undertake it. Some pumps need to be primed by filling
with oil before installation. I did the exact same thing on a VW-designed
1.7l 4-cylinder in an old Plymouth Horizon. No oil pressure, until I
re-pulled the pan, took the oil pump out, and filled it up with oil, turned
the shaft manually until it pumped oil, and then reinstalled it. I've also
heard of packing the oil pump with vaseline or some grease to "prime" it.
Such a recommendation should be in the shop manual for the engine, though.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:00:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Ratio Adapters

Ratio adapters are available from several sources.  Check out Hemmings.  One
of them is the same outfit that sells/manufactures gauges in various styles,
such as the street rod crowd uses.

I don't have it handy but somewhere I have their catalog since I have
purchased several over the years.

One of neater uses is for those unacceptable speedos limited to about 85 mph.
 You can install an ~.62 reduction adapter and - voila! - the kph becomes
accurate as mph.

'Course that means only 62% of the mileage is racking up as well. ;)

Bob Handren
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:51:31 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 1968 442 Bucket Seat Interchange

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Will a set of buckets from a 1972 Cutlass be "correct" in a 1968 442?  It
> seems to me that the only difference (other than seat covering) would be the
> location of the seat back release.  I know it should be on the side for
> 1968s, but I do not know where it is located on 1972.
>
>
They would look OK, but the vinyl grain is different, and the 72 has
headrests, where the 68 does not (unless that was a 68 option, but I
don't believe so).  If you got 68/69 covers (diamond pleat) to put on
the 72 seats, it may look better, as far as looking almost factory.  You
could leave the headrests off when you recover, and it would look more
like the 68.  The seat foam was different for 69 and 70,  but not by
much.  The release button is on the back in the center on the 69-72.
Unless someone knew their 68's, I bet no one would notice.

It's up to you.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:01:03 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Operating Temp of '68 350 (was Re: Question)

>What is the normal engine operating temperature for a 1968 Olds Cutlass S
>Convertible.  The engine is a 350 w/o air conditioning.

As close to 180-195 degrees, though if it gets up to 215-225 in traffic in
the summer, or in hard driving, it wouldn't be unusual. Why, what is your
car running at?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 03:00:46 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Carb Shop HEI conversion

>After Dr. Bob's comments yesterday I went home, popped the top off the
>distributor, sure enough, there is indeed a limiting plate, with serrations,
>screwed to the base of the distributor at the end of the advance rod.
>It is under tension so it was a little tricky to remove it without it
>flying off somewhere.  It was set to allow near maximum travel of the rod out

That's good to see. I used a vacuum pump to retract that rod, and just
loosened the screw a bit and rotated that plate to adjust it.

>My general comment on tuning these distributors--it seems the possible
>combinations of weights, springs, quantity and rate of advance make this
>fairly complex.  Very much a trial and error operation.  The ideal
>combination is quite dependant on compression, rear gear, intended use,
>cam, economy vs. performance priorities, etc.  So its difficult to simply take
>a reccomendation from a friend as to the correct settings, since that may not
>apply to your car.
>
>The methodology I'm using to determine the "best" combination:
>
>1.  Unhook vacuum advance.
>2.  Set initial advance to 14 deg.
>3.  Use smallest possible combination of springs, while also avoiding pinging.
>4.  Hook vac advance and adjust so that there will be maximum possible
>vac advance and rate of advance, without pinging.

Well, that's the exact procedure that Crane recommended; get the most
initial advance you can, then go to the lightest spring, and then add in the
vacuum advance (actually, the reverse; they suggest you back down from the
maximum setting until the pinging disappears, first the rate and then the
amount if lowering the rate doesn't eliminate the pinging).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 22:58:24 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Heat Leaks

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
>
> Reading Sparky's heat woes reminds me we have a problem with heat in the 70
> SX.
>
> The side of the metal dash to the left of the steering column, only the left,
> gets hotter than h--- after about 30 minutes of driving.


Shootin from the hip here Bob.  On the far outer section of the
firewall, outboard the master cylinder, there is a plug, or grommet in
there.  Kinda hard to see unless you get right on back there.  Maybe
covered up with wiring.  If you have the hood lock package, follow the
cable back, that's where it goes.  If it's  gone or hanging out, heat
could be travelling right on in.  If you have power brakes, what about
the little seal in the firewall?  What about your steering column seal?
Sorry Bob, I'm just fishin here, trying to conjure up a guess.  Is it
over by the light switch?  Sometimes these heat up like a banshee too
sometimes.  Again, I'm just shootin from the hip.

Hope you find it.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 15:19:24 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Brake Problems

On my 65 Jetstar I the brakes (power w/4 drums) are really touchy.  I
mean really really touchy.  I have locked all 4 up while stopping on
occasion, especially if you need to stop fairly quickly.  This is
especially annoying at low speed.  When I'm rolling along at idle it is
hard to slow down without immediately stopping.  It feels as though
there is too much power assist.  Is there any way to adjust the assist
on power brakes?

Thank You.
Rick Anderson
Clarkston,MI
'65 Jetstar I

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:26:14 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: Lisa's 64 Cutlass

Ha ha - I like that idea "what's that in the back of the car?" (stealing
his glasses I reply) "Oh don't you remember anything, for Chri*st sake I
told you ten times I was gonna put that back there, I swear you never
listen to me" (at which point he glares at me, a bit blindly, and walks
off). Just might work.

No vacuum gauge, i've seen them though & they're amazing!  There is a '65
Gran Prix for sale locally that has a console mounted tach - drool drool
drool.

For now the Cutlass will go to my friends house until she says "hey, move
that thing".


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:29:21 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '67 442 for sale

Got this message from my web page.  Thank heavens I have no more money or
room.

Your pix at 442.com were excellent.  Attached is my 67 442 which is for sale,
7k/OBO.  If you know of anyone who might be interested I am located in
Alexandria, VA.  This is a former Jim Stohlman Oldsmobile.
Reply privately to Kidd442@aol.com


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:41:08 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: 69 H/O Fire Frost paint-coming soon to a paint store near you!

Hi all,

I know, I know, I can hear it now, "I don't have an H/O so who cares?"
So if you don't care, move on, this message isn't for you.

That out of the way, for those that DO care, let me tell you my
escapades.

As well everyone here knows, (well, most everyone) I've been digging and
searching through the jungles trying to come up with the correct Fire
Frost Gold for 69 H/O stripes.  After running around in circles for a
while, I've finally made progress.  No one in the H/OCA arena has got it
right, and no one knows why after all these years.  Anyway, I'm digging
around calling everyone I know.  Paint manufacturers, people that own or
has painted their originals, etc. etc.

After becoming Kurt Karch's (69 H/O advisor for H/OCA) stormtrooper in
charge of Fire Frost paint research, I've spent a lot of free time
searching.  Kurt said quite a few 69 H/Os showed up at Lansing, and you
guessed it, no two cars' stripes matched.

Bill Gouchenor was supposed to talk to Doc Watson for me at Lansing, and
he did, but has to call him back later for the formula, since all he
knew was it was a DuPont paint, but he'd have to dig up the formula.
I'm still waiting, Bill..........

I decided to nip it in the bud and call Demmer Engineering a short time
ago.  The ones who did the conversion in the first place.  We discussed
in great lengths about the H/O's and such, and especially about the Fire
Frost Gold.  Yadda yadda yadda....long story short.....

Here's the results.  It seems that there is still a gallon of original
Fire Frost on the shelf at Demmer.  No one knew it was there until last
week.  No numbers/ID on the can, just a DuPont label.  A DuPont rep is
going to come in either Friday or early next week to get the gallon of
28 year old paint.  Hopefully, since it was unopened until last week, it
may be of some value.  When thorougly mixed, the colors of bright yellow
gold with greenish tint was still there, but we'll see.  Anyway, DuPont
is going to analyze the original paint with their wham-o-dyne lab
equipment, and come up with a new formula for base/clear and enamel.
(laquer is out, no one seems to use it anymore) After this is done, I
will be receiving a test panel, with the original paint and "new" paint
sprayed over white for review and comparison with each other, and to
what's left of my original paint on the car.  We'll work it from there.
This is the scoop for now.  I will most likely have more information
next week or so.  Anyway, the paint will ultimately be available in fine
DuPont automotive paint stores in as little as a couple of months.

Just some late-breaking news from the H/O scene.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 23:59:31 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: 88 Cutlass for sale

Following ad appears in The Lexington Herald-Leader paper:

1988 Cutlass Supreme Brougham, limited edition, 4.5K miles, like new,
$10,500.  Call 606 842-4761.

Standard disclaimers, no vested interest, not going to make anything out
of it, etc., etc., etc.  Just thought someone might be interested.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 00:02:59 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: 1983 Cutlass for sale

bad motor, good body, $200.  606 277-6411.  This one is in Lexington, Ky
so I can look for someone if they are very interested after talking to
the folks who own it.

Standard disclaimers, etc., etc., etc.

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:21:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Re: I'm Back, and a New Olds Seen in Dodge

In a message dated 97-09-03 20:02:33 EDT, you write:

<< On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
 > when what do I see but a '68 Cutlass convertible!  From 30 feet away it
 > looked real nice with it's dark blue paint.  Was that a factory color?

 Hard to tell from this far away. ;-)  You could get dark blue though...

 > However, I noticed a few obviously added do-dads, especially upon closer
 > inspection.  OK, that big rear wing on the trunk lid I saw from 30 feet
 > away :), but it looked like the grille might be different.  I'm certainly
 > no expert on '68s, the fender insignia said this is a Cutlass 'S'.  Is
 > this a Supreme, or did they differentiate in '68?  I remember a thread
 > on 'S's as opposed to Supremes, but not the details...

 A Cutlass S should have a grille with vertical bars. A 4-4-2 has a
 grid pattern. The S was not a Supreme, but rather a slightly sporty
 variant of the regular Cutlass. You could also get a Supreme (forget
 if they offered that in a convertible though) which in '68 was the
 luxury Cutlass with specific door panels, upholstery, trim, etc., and
 silver paint trimming the wheel openings and rocker panels.

 Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
  >>

Greg was there really a Supreme offered in 68? I thought it was just the "S".
If so do you by chance have production numbers for Supremes. Although
I've only had converts in 68, I've seen lots of other 68s, just never a
Supreme.
Would love to see one and especially like to know if any where hi perf cars.
Wonder what the Supreme package was for 68......TIM

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Subject: Re: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...

Hi Scott,

> Q-jets, one of which I rebuild for it.  That carb is actually off a Caddy
> 425 (late 70s vintage).  It came stock with 72 primary jets (a little
> rich?) something like 411 main rods, and two of the thinnest secondary
> rods I've ever seen (waaaaaaay to rich for a 350 I would think- DXs?).

Those should be 52P main metering rods, which are capable (depending on
the main metering screw adjustment) of providing very lean low-load
operation.  Since the tips all have the same diameter, high-load
primary metering would be more dependent on the jet size.  The secondary
metering rods (DG) are on the rich end of the scale, but it should be
noted that even Cadillac 368's used a similar carburetor setup, though the
secondary air valve spring tension could be have been adjusted
differently.  425 carbs also sport a rather stiff power piston spring,
ideal for those who wish to make the power system engage more easily.

BTW, Cadillac Q-jets have a side fuel entry, unlike Olds' forward facing
inlet; are you planning on fabricating a new fuel line?   Also,
there could be minor differences with the throttle linkage (425's used a
mechanical linkage, not a cable).

> But this
> carb also had some werid stuff going on inside.  It was missing the
> anaroid assy. (it was replaced with a plastic "well"), and the other
> single primary metering rod and piston (forget the exact names) were
> replaced by a brass screw.  I'm assuming their absence is all part of some
> emissions control system.  My question is this--is this carb going to be
> worth a darn for my mild performance motor?  Or is it just going to be a
> headache?

IMHO, the absence of the altitude compensator and secondary power piston
will only make this carburetor easier to tune.  425 Cadillacs destined
for California or sold with the altitude option would have had the
aneroid assembly.  A friend's '77 350 Q-jet also lacks the aneroid/2nd
power piston, but a '75 350 carburetor I have has them.

Kevin Wong       mailto:brougham@geocities.com       Toronto, Ontario, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 22:19:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Fire Frost paint-coming soon to a paint store near you!

WOWEE maybe Hurst should give you the rights to repro their stuff!!

Hey I've got a couple photos I want to send you but misplaced your address
could you send it again!

Later,
Jeff


On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Mike Rothe wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know, I know, I can hear it now, "I don't have an H/O so who cares?"
> So if you don't care, move on, this message isn't for you.
>
> That out of the way, for those that DO care, let me tell you my
> escapades.
>
> As well everyone here knows, (well, most everyone) I've been digging and
> searching through the jungles trying to come up with the correct Fire
> Frost Gold for 69 H/O stripes.  After running around in circles for a
> while, I've finally made progress.  No one in the H/OCA arena has got it
> right, and no one knows why after all these years.  Anyway, I'm digging
> around calling everyone I know.  Paint manufacturers, people that own or
> has painted their originals, etc. etc.
>
> After becoming Kurt Karch's (69 H/O advisor for H/OCA) stormtrooper in
> charge of Fire Frost paint research, I've spent a lot of free time
> searching.  Kurt said quite a few 69 H/Os showed up at Lansing, and you
> guessed it, no two cars' stripes matched.
>
> Bill Gouchenor was supposed to talk to Doc Watson for me at Lansing, and
> he did, but has to call him back later for the formula, since all he
> knew was it was a DuPont paint, but he'd have to dig up the formula.
> I'm still waiting, Bill..........
>
> I decided to nip it in the bud and call Demmer Engineering a short time
> ago.  The ones who did the conversion in the first place.  We discussed
> in great lengths about the H/O's and such, and especially about the Fire
> Frost Gold.  Yadda yadda yadda....long story short.....
>
> Here's the results.  It seems that there is still a gallon of original
> Fire Frost on the shelf at Demmer.  No one knew it was there until last
> week.  No numbers/ID on the can, just a DuPont label.  A DuPont rep is
> going to come in either Friday or early next week to get the gallon of
> 28 year old paint.  Hopefully, since it was unopened until last week, it
> may be of some value.  When thorougly mixed, the colors of bright yellow
> gold with greenish tint was still there, but we'll see.  Anyway, DuPont
> is going to analyze the original paint with their wham-o-dyne lab
> equipment, and come up with a new formula for base/clear and enamel.
> (laquer is out, no one seems to use it anymore) After this is done, I
> will be receiving a test panel, with the original paint and "new" paint
> sprayed over white for review and comparison with each other, and to
> what's left of my original paint on the car.  We'll work it from there.
> This is the scoop for now.  I will most likely have more information
> next week or so.  Anyway, the paint will ultimately be available in fine
> DuPont automotive paint stores in as little as a couple of months.
>
> Just some late-breaking news from the H/O scene.
>
> Mike Rothe
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:49:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Cars-n-Parts salvage yards?

> Keep an eye out for those '66 Toros - I need a pass. side wheel well
> molding in the front.  And I'm jealous, our yards in CA s*ck.
>
>
> Lisa Madsen
> Anaheim, CA


Will do.  I'll let you know if I find anything.  P.S.--good luck
with the new addition!!
Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:56:53 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Quadra Qs, and 2.5 Problems...

(snip the stuff I wrote earlier...)


> I think you'll have to undertake it. Some pumps need to be primed by filling
> with oil before installation. I did the exact same thing on a VW-designed
> 1.7l 4-cylinder in an old Plymouth Horizon. No oil pressure, until I
> re-pulled the pan, took the oil pump out, and filled it up with oil, turned
> the shaft manually until it pumped oil, and then reinstalled it. I've also
> heard of packing the oil pump with vaseline or some grease to "prime" it.
> Such a recommendation should be in the shop manual for the engine, though.

Yea, I have a feeling it's going to be either pulling the pan, or
the entire engine out again (and I'm not really looking forward to doing
either. :(  The shop manual did'nt say anything about priming it, but now
I kind of wish I would have filled the pump with white assembly grease.
 (it could'nt hurt anyway).  At least now I have my 350 running (fired it
up for the first time today!) so hopefully that project will be done soon
and I can dig back into that 2.5 litre.  Oh, and the 350 got oil pressure
after only a few cranks with the distributor disconnected :)  Now all I
really have to do for it is get this carb thing strightened out, and I'll
be in good shape for it.

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 00:03:48 -0600 (MDT)
From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Quadra Qs...

> > Q-jets, one of which I rebuild for it.  That carb is actually off a Caddy
> > 425 (late 70s vintage).  It came stock with 72 primary jets (a little
> > rich?) something like 411 main rods, and two of the thinnest secondary
> > rods I've ever seen (waaaaaaay to rich for a 350 I would think- DXs?).
>
> Those should be 52P main metering rods, which are capable (depending on
> the main metering screw adjustment) of providing very lean low-load
> operation.  Since the tips all have the same diameter,

(snip)


Thanks for the tips.  And yea, I've had to do some fabrication to
make this thing fit, but I got it on the car last night, and I got the new
engine running today.  So far so good, but I've only had the thing going
long enough to break the cam in so I guess it'll probibly be a while
before I know how well this carb is going to work for me.


> > But this
> > carb also had some werid stuff going on inside.  It was missing the
> > anaroid assy. (it was replaced with a plastic "well"), and the other
> > single primary metering rod and piston (forget the exact names) were
> > replaced by a brass screw.  I'm assuming their absence is all part of some
> > emissions control system.  My question is this--is this carb going to be
> > worth a darn for my mild performance motor?  Or is it just going to be a
> > headache?
>
> IMHO, the absence of the altitude compensator and secondary power piston
> will only make this carburetor easier to tune.  425 Cadillacs destined
> for California or sold with the altitude option would have had the
> aneroid assembly.  A friend's '77 350 Q-jet also lacks the aneroid/2nd
> power piston, but a '75 350 carburetor I have has them.
>

Cool, I guess I'm not really missing anything essential.  Oh, and
do you think I should go to a leaner main jet, or wait and see what
happens, and then experiment with it?

Later,

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:05:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: "H. Karamanos" <hikara@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: hei/pertronix

hei's do have alot going for them, especially after they are reworked so
they go over the magic 5000 mark.  my buddy has only replaced the module 4
times and the pickup 2 times in 200000 miles.

but if you are not into stock, as in any one can own a stock car, but like
those altered motors, for the adrenalin they provide to old geezers, then
there is a problem with the area that they take up in the manifold
runners,  maybe i could just cut up the back runner and weld it shut and
cut off the back half of the rear carb on the 2x4s and pound down the rear
runner on the o4b and 360. dont know about the torker as it
is in the mail still.

47rocket98   jack

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 03:12:21 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Carburetor number

Hi all,

In check the carb numbers on both my 68 442s I find that they are
69 carbs.  Was there a recall back then?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 07:47:24 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: I'm Back, and a New Olds Seen in Dodge

Mr Bama Bill sez:

>  Oh yah!  I almost forgot about old Tim.  It is almost nice to have you back
> Mr. Churchill.

Wow, you were almost 'Culp'-able for an almost witty remark there, Bill :)


<< On Wed, 3 Sep 1997, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
 > when what do I see but a '68 Cutlass convertible!  From 30 feet away it
 > looked real nice with it's dark blue paint.  Was that a factory color?

Greg sez:

 Hard to tell from this far away. ;-)  You could get dark blue though...


:) Sorry Greg, in my inarticulate phrasing, I meant to ask if a dark blue
was available... now, if I had a .jpg of a paint chip for it I could send
it to you for verification :)

I haven't seen the car in the parking lot since Tuesday, I hope it's presence
wasn't a one time event.  One of the items I forgot to mention, which lead me
to thinking the car's owner is deviating from stock, were the four SSII wheels
it had, painted the same dark blue as the car.  Didn't I read on this hallowed
list that the first SSII wheels were all a matte dark grey?

I'll let you all know if I ever meet up with the owner; and I'll tell her/him
about this list.



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:00:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Motion Olds - MCR

Charlie,  It was Popular Mechanics.  I just recently subscribed and saw a
snippett about the car in a recent issue.  The car looks great and they are
planning to auction it off sometime.  They made no mention of when though.
 They are going to take bids by mail would be my guess.

Cecil
1991 W-41
OCA ª29604

<<Date: Wed, 04 Sep 1996 13:54:24 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Motion Olds - MCR

Anybody remember a few months ago the rumor of one of the mags doing a
build-up of a mid-80's Cutlass with a bb che*y?  The one that many of us
e-mailed them trying to talk some sense into them?  Seems to me it was
Popular Mechanics or something...   Anyone ever followed up on it, or
seen any updates?  Did it ever happen, etc.

- - --

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
                    Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Thu, 04 Sep 1997 20:54:04 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '64 VIN decode

The newest addition's VIN is as follows - seems kind of short (its off the
title).  The title also states is a CPE237 (gee, is the 237 supposed to be
the beginning of the VIN?)

Anyway, its as follows:

824F004599

Go to retrieve it tomorrow to stash at my friends house :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

My cars & their alias'
'64 Cutlass
'66 Toronado (LA Woman)
'67 Delta 88 Custom  (Tizzy)
'69 Toronado (Toro II)
'72 Vista Cruiser (VC)

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
Glass Line's Bulletin Board: http://exo.com/~jht/wwwboard/olds/

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 07:54:42 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: advice on purchasing '70 442

Ed,
Mike Rothe hit the nail on the head with his reply.  I would like to add
my $.02 worth.  You did not say if the car was a four speed or an
automatic.  A four speed would be worth more money than an auto version
due to less being built.  According to a chart in the back of Mark
Cornea's Dr. Decal catalog.  Less than 2900 hardtop, four speed, non
W-30 442's were produced.  Another 1031 were four speed W-30s.  Those
are for the hardtop versions, the other styles had even less cars
produced.  Just make sure you are getting a real 442, look for the vin
starting with 344**************.

Good Luck,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:17:58 +0200
From: "archy van wely" <usicon@pi.net>
Subject: Olds delta 88 royale town sedan 1976 (help)

Could anyone give me any information about a oldsmobile delta 88 royale
town sedan from 1976. I cant find anything about it anywhere.
Thanks Archy

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 06:14:49 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Tail-Light Reflector for '55 Olds.

The reflector plastic in one of the Tail-Light Assemblies was cracked
during dis-assembly for chroming, so I need to track down one of those.

Would appreciate a lead on one, or the material to shape one for use.

Thanks,

Gary Andresen
'55 "88" 2-door HT

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:20:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Subject: Phone number for olds club of Florida

Dennis Sytsma wrote this:

I had posted the address for Olds Club of Florida a few weeks ago. The
president of the club Mr Rodney Kincaid has been covered up with mail as
a result. He asked me to post the Club phone numbers. They are
407-647-6178 for voice and 407-644-0639 for Fax.  The address is PO box
80 Winter Park Florida 32790-0080.  I need to point out that Olds Club of
Florida (OCF) is a chapter of Oldsmobile Club of America (OCA).
Membership in OCA is a requirement to join OCF.  Contact OCA for
Information how to join OCA. The Phone number for OCA is 517-321-8825 for
voice and 517-321-8770 for fax.  OCA's address is PO box 80318 Lansing,
MI 48908.

Both OCA and OCF have newsletters and offer a number of services to
members to support your automotive interests.  Dues vary from US and
country to country, so I can not give you this information here.  I have
suggested the Clubs put club information on internet homepages of Club
sponsors.  If they have done this I am not aware of it.  If you need more
information you can always email me and I will try to answer your
questions. If you do send me mail, please tell me where you live (Town
Country), the cars you own and some of your interests.  This disscussion
group generates a large number of messages a day, so I am not subsribed.
If you want to contact me you have to send mail to my address. Mail sent
to sytsma@gzinc.com is read by a number of people so you need to say the
mail is for Dennis.  Mail sent to dsytsma@dc.seflin.org is read only by
me, but this mailbox is very small and larges messages sent to that
mailbox will be bounced.

I am still fighting to repair the Air Conditinor on my 1977 Vista Cruiser
wagon. I have replaced everything except the Cores. I think I may have a
restriction in the Epvaparator core (Core inside the car).  I put
compressed air through it, and I get pressure build up. When I do the
same test to the condensor (core in front of the car), I get no
backpressure.  When I charge the system the compressor wants to lock up.
I have replaced the comressor twice, the hoses, the expansion valve, the
dryer. only thing left is the cores.  I appricate the information that
A?C experts have sent me in the past on this problem.

I am also still looking for replacment left front and rear fender and
quarter panel and trunk lid for my 1970 Olds 98 LS.  Hurricane Andrew
dented hell out of the old ones in 1992, and I have not found replacement
parts in Florida yet.  If you can help me locate the parts please do.

We have another tropical storm that may head toward Homestead Florida (30
miles south of Miami Florida), so If we get another bad storm I may not
need those parts (joke).

Thanks for your interest in Olds Clubs and your support of our hobby.

dennis


Dennis Jon Sytsma

Homestead, Florida

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org    (this mailbox, text only)

I survived Hurricane Andrew! Ask me about it!

visit my new internet homepage and give me your comments or ideas

http://home.gzinc.com/sytsma/

my full internet account is:   sytsma@gzinc.com

please send large files to sytsma@gzinc.com or cc/forward a copy to
sytsma@gzinc.com to insure I get your message.

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 06:32:22 -0700
From: Gary Andresen <gandresen@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Tail-Light Reflector for '55 Olds.

Point of clarification:

Not talking about the bullet-shaped lense, but rather the reflector
below it.

Gary Andresen wrote:
>
> The reflector plastic in one of the Tail-Light Assemblies was cracked
> during dis-assembly for chroming, so I need to track down one of those.
>
> Would appreciate a lead on one, or the material to shape one for use.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gary Andresen
> '55 "88" 2-door HT

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