
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, October 3 1997       Volume 01 : Number 883



Re: 425 distributor
Re: W Machines
Lindberg 67' 442 W30 Model Kit
Re: MCC Autofest 10/4
Re: Web of Wheels
Re: W Machines
Re: Need help
FS '70 Rallye 350 4-Speed
Re: 425 distributor
Old car dealer
Re: Rocket@ symbol
Re: wierd wiring problems on 80 442
FW: Frame off
TPI for Olds...new hope
Olds Centenial makes print
Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: 425 distributor
Eric's "hot" VC
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question
Re: 425 distributor
Re: convertible top
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Frame off
Re: Olds factory TPI
RE: Slow things
7th annual seguin memorial car show
Fiberglass Hoods
Getting off of this list
1975 Olds 98 for sale
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Web of Wheels
World of Wheels
Re: Olds Movies
Build sheet replacement
Headers that fit! Part II (More Info...)
Re: W Machines
Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!
Re: Getting off of this list
100 car goal
Re: Getting off of this list
Mr Personality
Re: Posi unit availability?
Date:	Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:58:26 -0400
Re: Mr Personality
Re: Olds Centenial makes print
=?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?=03=03?=
Fender Alignment Tricks?
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Getting off of this list
My page in Webring
Audio Speaker
Brake Lights
[none]
? 4 door 442?
Re: Getting off of this list
Re: Getting off of this list
Suspension Questions
Carburetor Question
Suspension question
Console Question
Re: Audio Speaker
Re: MCC Autofest 10/4
Re: W Machine Pole
Re: Audio Speaker
Re: Audio Speaker
Generator to Alternator swap
Re: FS '70 Rallye 350 4-Speed
Re: Console Question

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 06:56:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

In a message dated 97-10-03 01:10:40 EDT, you write:

<< Right, so what you do is you take that Taiwan-made el-cheapo 9/16 (come on
 now, everybody's got one of them).  Put it in a vise and tighten it
  >>


        I don't need a dist. wrench as I can just use a socket and
extension(straight down) to do my dist. bolt.

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:38:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machines

W-Machine poll:

70 W-30 convertible, triple white, gold stripes, every option, frame off
restoration, Best of Class, 91 OCA Nationals in St. Louis.  Sold it to the
"Liquid Glass" guy, it now appears with a rather "full -figured" woman
between the hood scoops in their recent ads.  Yeah, I know it's not mine any
longer, but I'll bet the list won't hear from the new owner!

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:43:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: Markintime@aol.com
Subject: Lindberg 67' 442 W30 Model Kit

Hi Everyone,
I've been searching around the Atlanta area for the new Lindberg 67' 442 kit
without success.  My local hobby shop gets the run around from their
distributor.
The guy at the hobby shop ask me to find out where you lucky individuals that
have this kit, found it. So how bout it folks.  Where did you get those
442's?
Hobby shop names and phone numbers if you please.

TIA
Mark Berube
Loganville, GA.
67' 442

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:50:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Subject: Re: MCC Autofest 10/4

Does anybody on the list have details of this event?  ie, judged?, classes?,
racing?, stock vs. modified?  repeat or first year?  times?  etc - is it
worth driving my 72 H/O all the way from St. Louis? (it only has 8K original
miles...)

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:16:22 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Web of Wheels

I voted for you Mick!  Nice ride!  Almost voted for that corvette 
though....after all you don't see many of those.  ;)

Good Luck!

RC (I want a ride) Hellebuyck

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 13:33:25 +0000
From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: W Machines

At 09:29 PM 10/2/97 +0000, you wrote:
>At 07:08 PM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's here
>>details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many people on the
>>list have these rare and powerful machines.
>
>I have a 1970 W-30 Hardtop with original drivetrain, OW trans with Dual
Gate sifter, 3.23 posi axle, Air Conditioning, 8 Track AM-FM.  The car has
its original paint job Sebring Yellow with black stripes (I'll probably
change colors) and black interior.  I am in the early stages of restoration.
I bought the car a few months ago after a long search.  My dream car since
high school (circa mid-seventies).

Brad Otto
'70 442 W-30 Hardtop
'69 442 Convertible 4-speed

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:47:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: GPMTRADER@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need help

I sympathize but don't know how to do what I'm going to recommend myself.

In your using AOL, there is a way of blocking messages from a sender.

Contact AOL at 1-888-265-8006.

Good luck - I hope it works!

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:48:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: FS '70 Rallye 350 4-Speed

Greetings,

Wasn't somebody on the list looking to buy a Rallye 350 recently?  I saw
the following ad in the latest JWO:

1970 RALLYE 350 4-SPEED.  Complete.  Needs restored.  $3500/OBO.... Bernie
(419)641-2385.  After 6pm.

Hope this helps!

- --                                                               _
                               1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
Drew Senko                     Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:52:14 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>

>>>the timing bolt should be just right of the distributer on the block.
>>>you may need a special wrentch to loosten it.

>to which David "wise-*ss" Brown replied:

>>You mean that elusive 9/16" wrench?

At which point the Doc chimes in:

>Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
>easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench at
>the end of a long bent handle, which snakes under the distributor and
reaches that bolt head

Or you can use a 9/16 socket, a universal joint, and a couple of extentions.
Worked fine last week while pulling HEI's out of junkers...

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
Grayslake, ILL

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:08:12 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Old car dealer

Found this old car dealer in Dubuque Ia. they have a web page with several
Olds for sale.
http://www.classicreaction.com/Index.htm

Daren 

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:02:27 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket@ symbol

From: "deirdre. reilly" <102724.635@compuserve.com>

>I was trying to find the Rocket@ symbol at 442.com the other day but could
>not seem to locate it.  Could someone please forward the URL, of where this
>is located, to me please. I appreciate it.

Try;

   http://www.calcon.net/~easton

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
Grayslake, ILL

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:19:06 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: wierd wiring problems on 80 442

> From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
> Well my 80 442 is at it again. I got the taillight problem fixed and it
has
> been fine. Well now the past coupe of days the guages on the dash have a
> mind of their own and when I hit a bump in the road they will change
> readings and the dash lights go dim. I hit the dash with my palm and the
> guage readings go back to normal and the dash lights get brighter. Does
> this sound like bad grounds in the dash? The car did have an alarm wired
in
> it 10 or so years ago, but it no longer had it when I bought it.  The car
> has no ECM/computer controls if that makes a difference.  Also when I
turn
> the turnsignals on the gas guage moves slightly back and forth with each
> blink from the blinker, this has gotten worse over the past few days....
I
> am lost as to what it is now. Any advice appreciated. Thank You.

The '82 Gutlass I had had (had had?) the same problem. Some of the tabs
that the screws go through to hold the gauges were broke. I put some
washers on them to help hold the gauges and the problem went away. It would
probably be a good idea to clean all of the electrical connections to.

Daren 

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 00:25:18 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: FW: Frame off

Steve: Would you mind 'cc ing' that to me? I was planning to start the 
process of separating the frame from the body this weekend.
Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv
kerrb@basf-corp.com

 Ray,

    I have taken several bodies off using my floor jack, jack stands and a
couple of 4x4's.  Its not terrible difficult and can be done by one person.
 I'll E-mail you directly because the instructions will be long.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:10:25 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: TPI for Olds...new hope

Andy, 
I have some more encouraging news.  I spoke with Troy from Howell Engine
Developments @ (810)765-5100.  He said it was quite possible to run the
GM TPI unit on my car, for a reasonable price.  Closed loop system,
speed density setup.  He will check it out and get back with me.  I will
let everyone know what comes of it.
Ingmar Ott
iao2@cdc.gov

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:13:10 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Olds Centenial makes print

This weeks AutoWeek magazine has a four page
article on the Olds Centenial.

- -Jeff
jeff.easton@abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
Grayslake, ILL

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 09:21:53 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!

> From: WMACHINES@aol.com
> 
> Well thanks to the Olds list and digest and a few friends, I have won the

> first round of the MCC run-off.  
Congrats!! I think this is the first time I've voted (twice) and think it
was actually worthwhile.

Daren 

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:16:47 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

>How 'bout just using a 9/16" socket on a swivel, and a medium sized
>extension.  That seems to work good for me.  In fact, the special
>"distributor" wrench which is offset, doesn't seem to be as easy to use (that
>big damned handle seems harder to wield than the socket, and ratchet...

The distributor wrench I have had for ages has a 3/8" drive connector at
the top of the handle, so I can hook it to a ratchet for those really tight
distributor bolts. But hey, whatever tightens your distributor shaft...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:14:17 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Eric's "hot" VC

>	Heater problem:  I may have messed up my vacuum hoses when I rebuilt the
>engine in my VC.  Now I get hot air constantly on my feet. 

I think the problem may be with the vacuum lines going to the control unit,
rather than with the heater valve. When I blew out my heater valve, I ran
the heater hose to a straight nipple on the intake, and as long as the temp
selector was on cold, heat didn't come through, since the air was not being
routed through the heater core. I think your problem may stem from the air
being mistakenly routed through the heater core all the time.

>	Question:  How does the heater valve that is screwed into the intake
>manifold work?  Will it shut off if I remove the vacuum hose going to it,
>or will it shut off if I run a constant vacuum to it?? 

I'm not sure, but I think that over the years, heater valves have operated
in both fashions (one had vacuum turn it off; another had vacuum turn it
on). An easy way to find out how yours works is to connect and disconnect
the vacuum to yours, and see if the hose gets hotter or colder.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:20:01 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

>I know this will make the VC crowd unhappy but look under the wagons at the
>bone yards. I have bought two of these for parts thru the years and both have
>had 12 bolt posi's in them, and the one that I have now has a turbo 400 and

Unfortunately, the '72 rear I got from a VC is an open one :(

I do plan on swapping it onto the SX for the big brakes, though, and for
the parts availability of the corporate 8.5" ten-bolt, so I've pulled a
posi carrier from another car. Just need the time and money...

In addition, the tranny was a TH375, basically a TH400 with a TH350 output
shaft

>there. My wife says that our five acres is the finall resting place for ALL
>neglected cars. 

Wow, what I could fit on five acres... :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:10:41 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question

>Just a thought, Did you have the meter set on the lowest scale reading.
>The change in resistance might be so slight that the scale you were on
>might have been too high. 

Joe,

Yes, I tried various ranges, and on some there was more of a change than on
others. It's just that nothing was registering anything resembling 90 ohms.
Maybe I'd have to include the entire length of wire going to the fuel guage
to get an accurate reading? Well, whatever, it's working now, so I'm not
going to sweat it now. Thanks for the tip, though.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:37:58 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> 
> >>>the timing bolt should be just right of the distributer on the block.
> >>>you may need a special wrentch to loosten it.
> 
> >to which David "wise-*ss" Brown replied:
> 
> >>You mean that elusive 9/16" wrench?
> 
> At which point the Doc chimes in:
> 
> >Well, yes, the head does indeed take a 9/16" wrench, but it is *much*
> >easier if you use a distributor wrench, which has the 9/16" box wrench
at
> >the end of a long bent handle, which snakes under the distributor and
> reaches that bolt head
> 
> Or you can use a 9/16 socket, a universal joint, and a couple of
extentions.
> Worked fine last week while pulling HEI's out of junkers...
> 
> -Jeff

Or use a handy ratchet-head wrench ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 09:56:30 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: convertible top

> Hey Doug,  when you tried to put the top up, did it stop as if you blew a
> fuse? (but it doesn't actually)  Mine does this.  I have to wait about 20
> seconds each time it stops before the motor will work again.

This behavior sounds an awful lot like a circuit breaker popping;
20 seconds is roughly the time it takes to reset itself. Sounds like
your pump motor is overloading for some reason -- I assume if you
check, you'll find that that circuit is protected by a breaker instead
of a fuse, and the breaker is cutting out on you.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:05:57 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

> From: Markintime@aol.com
> I would like to upgrade my 67' 442 to a posi rear end. The rear end in my
car
> has a twelve bolt cover, but I'm told that the ring gear is in fact a
8.5"
> ten bolt.
>
I'm not sure if this is what your looking for since it doesn't include your
year. Item 39545
http://206.102.152.208/dalewilch/rpmcat/inv2.idc

Daren 

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:12:45 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Frame off

I have taken several bodies off using my floor jack, jack stands and a
couple of 4x4's.  Its not terrible difficult and can be done by one
person.

 I'll E-mail you directly because the instructions will be long.

Steve Dietrich
- ----------
Please mail a copy tto me so I can add this information to the FAQ.
Thanks Steve.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:17:19 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds factory TPI

Found the casting number.  It was at the rear of the manifold though. 
Not on a runner but on the last inch or so of the casting.  Here's what
it said:

F286
1606818

It's also got three letter cast in it, tucked in next to the runner
towards the side, they read PMD or PMO.  

Greg Pruett
- ----------
Thanks again Greg! Hmm, made by Pontiac Motor Division. They also cast a
number (or all) the 260 heads, according to a FAQ contributor. Thanks
for micing the throttle bores (err holes).
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 10:21:16 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: RE: Slow things

Brought the '64 home today - the other half's Isuzu has emphysema and
won't
be around too much longer so its suddenly "the spare", hmm, funny how
convenient that was:-)

Lisa Madsen
- ----------
Very convenient. Opens up another spot!!
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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 08:19:23 -0700
From: "dan cox" <peachyst@earthlink.net>
Subject: 7th annual seguin memorial car show

dear olds friends, we're trying for 100 cars at the car show here east of
los angeles.  it's at the yorba regional park on sunday october 5, 1997. 
the park is at:  7600 e. lapalma ave., yorba limdaa.  exit the 91 freeway
at the imperial highway exit and go north to lapalma ave., turn right on
lapalma [east].  the park entrance is 2 miles straight ahead on the right
side of lapalma ave. lots of raffle prizes, catered food, 50/50, music and
loads of beautiful oldsmobiles and nice people.  sorry for such short
notice, mark your calendar for same time, next year.  this is olds club of
southern california's premier club event.  see you there.  dan cox of los
angeles '60 olds super - 88

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:28:06 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Fiberglass Hoods

Does anyone know of any aftermarket fiberglass hoods that would have 
either cowl induction or ram air induction scoops on them for 
Cutlass? 

1977 Cutlass 350 4bbl
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl
1975 Olds 98 Regency 455 4bbl

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:35:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: DATIC@aol.com
Subject: Getting off of this list

     I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
bashing 
Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
worth
all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.

     Dave T.
     66 Dynamic 88 Vert
     73 VW Super Bug 
     96 VW GTI

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:37:17 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: 1975 Olds 98 for sale

FYI, I have a 1975 Olds 98 Regency 2dr hrd top for sale
455 ci, factory 4bbl, Dual Exhaust, Glass Packs, Rebuilt TH-400, 
161,000, runs like a chanmp, (still make 20 foot tire marks if wanted 
to. :) new brakes,  power windows, power doors, tilt, cruise, power 
seats, air, previous owner drove it 60 miles every day to work 
without a problem till the trainy died. Body is solid as a rock, 0% 
bondo, it was stored for 7 years, interior fair. $1,800 or best 
offer, I have other pictures, but you can take a look at it at.

http://www.classified2000.com/cgi-cls/ad.exe?P1+C14+R175033+Q5655853

The original owner had started to restore it, then ran into financial 
problems and sold it to a friend of mine, he drove it till the trainy 
died, then sold it to me, I changed the trainy, did a little body 
work, then ran into financial problems myself, I don't really want to 
sell it to some guy off the street who will use it as a beater or 
something, I would love to see it go to an olds enthusiast and see it 
taken care of. 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:39:59 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

Robert Barry wrote:
 My wife says that our five acres is the finall resting place for ALL
> >neglected cars.
> 
> Wow, what I could fit on five acres... :)


Robert, 
If you had five acres your wife would probably leave you.  I kind of
gathered over the past several months that you would have the Boy's Home
equivalent of a lost car home, i.e. give me your unloved, unwanted
classic/antique/special interest car and I will give it a home and love
it for you.  I get the distinct feeling a lot of people on the Olds list
would be/are of the same mind set.  If we had the money, etc. we would
own hundreds of muscle and vintage cars.  I guess it is probably good to
not be among the monied and just love a select few.  Makes for a
pleasant thought on a fall afternoon, though.

Don Sowers

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:45:46 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Web of Wheels

C*rv*tte???????? You're kidding; right? :)
Thanks for the vote RC (and everyone else who has or will. Maybe we can make
it 2 Olds' in a row for the month.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm


>I voted for you Mick!  Nice ride!  Almost voted for that corvette
>though....after all you don't see many of those.  ;)
>
>Good Luck!
>
>RC (I want a ride) Hellebuyck
>

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:08:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: World of Wheels

Ok Milke I voted for your car at  <A HREF="http://www.vci.net/~emenser/wheels.
htm">Web of Wheels online Car Show</A> , so anybody 
else that wants to go there just click above.  I thought I help you out Mike

Btw thats a beatiful 69 you have there.  

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 10:27:00 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Movies

the olds supposedly had a bunch of money in the gas tank clogging the fuel 
I remember getting a laugh out of the guy trying to fix it  since it would
crank and not start - he tried to jump start it    when it still turned
over just fine he  pulled the starter    
 
the show was horrible the olds ended up getting trashed and burned at the
end.

On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, David, Terri and Rob wrote:

> Mike Rothe wrote:
> > 
> > DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > The movie Milk Money had an olds cutlass. I think that it was blue. I don't
> > > remember the year. I think it was a 69 or 70.
> > 
> > 1972 Cutlass Convertible.  Beauty.
> > 
> > Mike Rotheonly problem I had was with the THIN PLOT....an OLDS that wouldn't 
> RUN.....AS IF!!!I still have a soft spot for drop tops....in any 
> form....hoagie
> 

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:46:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Build sheet replacement

All this talk about finding build sheets over the past few months made me
wonder something.  All you people that find your build sheets and take them
out of the car, do you ever replace them?  I don't mean with the original
necessarily, but if I found mine, I'd make a copy and put the copy back
where I found the original.

That way if you sold the car, and lost the original, there would still be
one in the car.  Now I admit that I don't plan to sell my car, and I don't
plan to lose the build sheet if I do find it, but it happens.

Every now and then I hear of estate sales where the owner had passed away.
They might have had the build sheet, but there's a good chance that the
people settling the estate aren't aware or concerned with keeping the build
sheet with the car during the sale.

Well, it's a thought.  Just trying to keep copies of the build sheets with
the cars.  We would all benefit from this sooner or later.
- --                                                  _
                                                    |\
Drew Senko                           .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net                 [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva      =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
_________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 11:45:58 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Headers that fit! Part II (More Info...)

In all honesty, I never even knew that Mr. Gasket made headers until my
friend gave his set. Look at www.switchboard.com under the businesses
section for to find their telephone number. If no luck, I'll do some
research from my end to see if I can get the info for you.  Once again, the
header division of Mr. Gasket name is Eagle Headers...

I just looked at the (mangled) sticker on the headers, and I think I got the
info-- They're in Compton, California and I know for sure that it's in the
(213) area code. (In)conviently enough, the last seven digits are what's
messed up but here's what I THINK it is: (213) 638-7883.

Let me know, and good luck!!!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible



At 12:54 AM 10/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Scott,
>	Where can I get a set and will they fit convertibles????
>
>	            Tanks
>                        The General``<html><head></head><BODY
bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p><font size=2 color="#000000"
face="Arial">Scott,<br>&#009;Where can I get a set and will they fit
convertibles????<br><br>&#009;
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></font></body></htm

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:51:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machines

<late 70's used decals to note their W origin, and didn't the W-41's
<come with a decal?

Yes they do have a W41 decal on the front fenders as well as a special engine
cover with a large W41 on it.

Also the stripes that run around the car are silver as opposed to gold on the
W40 cars.

Cecil
1991 W41
OCA #29604

PS After reading Jason Labay's story of his car show awards(BTW congrats
Jason, you must have a really nice car) I'll add that I've won my class in 3
out of 4 cars show that I've been to this year so far.  I know from talking
with judges after one show that I was in the top 5 in the show under
consideration for best in show.  The last show I was at I was the only Olds
among a sea of Ch*velles, C*maros, N*vas, M*stangs and 55-57 Ch*vies.

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 12:57:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: PLEASE READ AND HELP MEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

> 
> sounds like you have a short somewhere (most likely w the alarm --just a 
> guess)
> 
> i am in mechanics / auto tech. school (1st year) right now, so i am just 
> learning about this.
> 
> my teacher said that near every wire with currant, there is an 
> electro-magnetic field.  and some how (which i will be learning about in 
> the next few weeks) you can take an ordinary compass, and find the short
> location to a specific area before you have to "rip" everything apart
> (like a door panel, etc.)
> 
> if you know how to use this technique, happy hunting!!!
> 
> --joe


But first, buy up a bunch of Cracker Jack's so that you can get a compass
small enough to fit anywhere!!   ;-)

- -- 
Drew

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:47:42 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

speaking of bashing vw's   I once had a '78 "dasher"   IT WAS FREE!!

anyway, it would not start if there was someone sitting in the pass seat
I never did figure it out  since I only had it for about a month before
the engine seized    caved in the front fender with a "nike"  and didnt
even hurt my toes     

never had troubles like that with an olds....

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997 DATIC@aol.com wrote:

> 
>      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
> bashing 
> Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
> worth
> all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.
> 
>      Dave T.
>      66 Dynamic 88 Vert
>      73 VW Super Bug 
>      96 VW GTI
> 

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 11:50:43 -0600 (MDT)
From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Subject: 100 car goal

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Don Sowers wrote:

> Robert Barry wrote:
>  My wife says that our five acres is the finall resting place for ALL
> > >neglected cars.
> > 
> > Wow, what I could fit on five acres... :)
> 
> 
> Robert, 
> If you had five acres your wife would probably leave you.  I kind of
> gathered over the past several months that you would have the Boy's Home
> equivalent of a lost car home, i.e. give me your unloved, unwanted
> classic/antique/special interest car and I will give it a home and love
> it for you.  I get the distinct feeling a lot of people on the Olds list
> would be/are of the same mind set.  If we had the money, etc. we would
> own hundreds of muscle and vintage cars.  I guess it is probably good to
> not be among the monied and just love a select few.  Makes for a
> pleasant thought on a fall afternoon, though.
> 
> Don Sowers
> 

I'll let you know when I get up to 100 cars, I'll have to build a bigger
fence around my 'yard   but I wont mind

Dustin

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 12:00:57 PDT
From: "Brent Pinkstaff" <fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

>From oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca Fri Oct  3 09:58:22 1997
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>From:	DATIC@aol.com
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>
>
>     I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest 
post
>bashing 
>Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars 
isn't
>worth
>all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V 
Ws.
>
>     Dave T.
>     66 Dynamic 88 Vert
>     73 VW Super Bug 
>     96 VW GTI
>
>
Damn Hitlermobiles!

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Date: Sat, 4 Oct 1997 01:07:36 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Mr Personality

Hi Everyone--

Usually I am in the habit of giving advice to fellow Olds nuts,  but now I
need some.

I was wondering what the max lift you can go on a olds head with deep valve
spring pockets without milling the top of the guide.

I tried calling Mondello's tech support,  and after waiting on hold forever
I got to speak to Joe himself.  What a JERK!  He should NOT be on this tech
service.  Yah, yeah,  I know he is a busy man, but he treated me like crap
and acted like I was wasting his time.  I have spent a lot of money with
this guy, but now I am through with Mr. Personality. Itried to tell him
that yes,  I could diassemble the motor and simply measure frm guide to
keeper,  but I figure that he whould know this measurement already being
that he is the "expert" and save me the time.

So anyways,  I came into a free cam with .518 lift on both intake and exhaust.
I have a 71 Toro motor in excellent shape. I was thinking about putting in
my free cam and lifters and a Torker intake that I have laying around.  I
just don't want to pull the motor all the way apart to grind off the
guides.  I usually do this on every motor I rebuild, but I don't want to go
into this one for money reasons.

This is a deep spring pocket head.  So.......Anyone have these deminsions
for both types of heads shallow and deep?   I think I am safe up to around
.520 lift,  but I cant remember.

FYI  Shallow spring pockets are on heads without valve rotators and deep
spring pockets are on heads with rotators.

I know it is unadvisable to run this big of a cam on a stock valve train,
but what the heck!  This motor is VERY low milage and it has the valve
springs with dampers because the heads are the 2.07 G cast. So they are a
- -little- better than bone stock.

Thanks...Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:32:58 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 97-10-02 18:56:43 EDT, you write:
> 
> <<
>  Bah! Just get a Powertrax Locker. It replaces some of the innards of
>  your differential and makes is posi. Works like open diff around corners
>  too (so they say). Only about $300.
>   >>
> 
> Where?

Summit, Jeg's
http://www.summitracing.com
http://www.jegs.com

- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftİ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:58:26 -0400
From: "S VanConia" <golden@psci.net>
Subject: Date:	Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:58:26 -0400

Susan VanConia   golden@psci.net
subscribe oldsmobilel

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 13:30:35 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Mr Personality

Tony,

	I can't give you the exact information you are looking for, but I am
running a Mondello JM  20-22 cam in my VC with small valve C heads, which i
believe have the shallow spring seat.  I believe the cam has .512 lift on
the exhaust side.  The valve train is stock, except for the Rhodes lifters.
 I haven't had any problems with it so far, 500 miles.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 17:18:39
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds Centenial makes print

At 09:13 AM 10/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>This weeks AutoWeek magazine has a four page
>article on the Olds Centenial.
>
>-Jeff
>jeff.easton@abbott.com

The November issue of Cars and Parts has a one-page write-up.  At the end,
it says that more is coming next month.  C&P does this a lot, and it tends
to annoy me.  Why not have the full article at one time?  Unless they
barely had time to get anything into the magazine for this month.  With the
long lead times they sometimes have, that may be why.



Dan


*********************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
*********************************************************

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:30:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: =?UNKNOWN-8BIT?Q?=03=03?=



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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 14:34:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Fender Alignment Tricks?

Anybody got any good tips for aligning fenders and hoods? I'm doing this this 
weekend. Olds says 3/16's between fender and door front, I think and 1/8"
between fender and hood. 

Other than the obvious trial and (mostly) error, what should I do? Should 
I find pieces of wood 3/16's and 1/8" thick  as a reference guide?

TIA

cf

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:35:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

i agree let him drive around in his dam little bug. i'll stick with the
american musclecars!!!!!!!

brent 1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:39:20 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
> 
>      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
> bashing
> Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
> worth
> all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.

Sniff...  Anyone ~else~ heartbroken?  Oh, could someone repost the
ignorant snipping about the f*rds, ch*vies, and mo*ars?  I missed
those.  If they were only 1/2 as good as smashing the roof of a bug,
they ought to be excellent, and I'm sad that I didn't get to see 'em.
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 15:45:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: My page in Webring

Well, I added the webring code last night, and changed some of the stuff
there.  Still haven't gotten any of my recent pictures done (say from
the last ~three~ months!!!)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 14:59:41 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Audio Speaker

Looking to find a 4x10 10 Ohm speaker for the front dash?

Any suggestions?

G
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Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

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if you stay in the middle of the road"
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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:13:14 -0400
From: Ted Rollins <trollins@rfci.net>
Subject: Brake Lights

I Have a 66 olds cutlass, and I need a complete steering column to fit.
 Could any one tell me if another model of olds or Gm product will
interchange or do I have to have the 66 to make it work??

                                   Ted

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 17:20:49 -0500
From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile

Doug..'67 4-4-2 (Bimini Blue,Modified)  "67 4-4-2 convert(being
restored)

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:24:33 -0400
From: Joe Artwell <tjf26@gte.net>
Subject: ? 4 door 442?

I bought a book called American Muscle Cars and in the section on Olds
it says that because the 442 was an F-85 option there were 7, 4-door
442's built in 1964. Is this correct? I never heard of this before.

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:39:19 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
> 
>      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
> bashing
> Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
> worth
> all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.
> 
>      Dave T.
>      66 Dynamic 88 Vert
>      73 VW Super Bug
>      96 VW GTIdave...I really feel for ya..but is it our fault volkswagen never made a 
400+ horsepower production automobile......but I have to give you 
credit...your sticking to your guns...even though your shooting with a 
bb gun...there is 1 point that no other country in this world can 
boast...and that is the most powerful production cars that were ever 
built...and the AVERAGE working joe could afford...I'd still rather 
drive the best...but thats just me...Hoagie

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:52:31 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Getting off of this list

DATIC@aol.com wrote:
> 
>      I've had it with all of this non olds bashing, and with the latest post
> bashing
> Volkswagens, I'm outta here. The meager info I get about the big cars isn't
> worth
> all of the ignorant snipping about Fords, Chevies, Mopars, and yes, V Ws.
> 
>      Dave T.
>      66 Dynamic 88 Vert
>      73 VW Super Bug
>      96 VW GTIdave....I feel for ya buddy....I have to give you credit for sticking by 
your guns...even though its a crosman BB gun....there is 1 thing you 
will never take away from the american people...and that is the era of 
the most powerful production cars ever built...and the ability 
of the AVERAGE working joe to be able to afford such power.....can we 
help it VW never built a 400 horsepower production car....maybe then 
you'd have something to brag about...but such is life...so...SUCK IT UP 
AND DEAL WITH IT!!...Hoagie

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:58:13 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Suspension Questions

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> Subject: Suspension question
> Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:48:20 -0700
> From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.com
> 
> Need some advice from the experts out there.
> Here is the question:
> I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme that is all original. I am not crazy about
> the "softness" of the ride.  Are there heavy duty or performance
> suspension parts that were offered by Olds to "stiffen" up the ride? I
> figured that there were options on suspension but I am not familiar with
> them.
> Also, do the A-frame bushings have a very noticeable impact on the ride
> quality of these vehicles.  Mine are still there, but have seen their
> better days.  I am considering a complete front end rebuild with poly
> urethane bushings.  Any thoughts or advice.
> 
> All advice and suggestions appreciated as I do not want to invest $ and
> be disappointed in the outcome.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joe Wolfe
> Parma Ohio
> 72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:59:55 -0700
From: Boogah Wolfe <boogah@en.com>
Subject: Carburetor Question

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Have a quadrajet from a 68 Firebird 400.  Wondering if this would
install onto a 350 olds on my 72 Cutlass Supreme. Any one ever tried
such madness?  

Thanks

Joe Wolfe
Parma Ohio
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:48:20 -0700
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Need some advice from the experts out there.
Here is the question:
I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme that is all original. I am not crazy about
the "softness" of the ride.  Are there heavy duty or performance
suspension parts that were offered by Olds to "stiffen" up the ride? I
figured that there were options on suspension but I am not familiar with
them. 
Also, do the A-frame bushings have a very noticeable impact on the ride
quality of these vehicles.  Mine are still there, but have seen their
better days.  I am considering a complete front end rebuild with poly
urethane bushings.  Any thoughts or advice.  

All advice and suggestions appreciated as I do not want to invest $ and
be disappointed in the outcome.

Thanks

Joe Wolfe
Parma Ohio
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:02:53 -0400
From: Al Barlow <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Console Question

I would like to take out the woodgrain insert from the automatic console on
my 1971 442 convertible. To do this I need to remove the wooden ball on top
of the shifting linkage. Can anyone tell me how to remove this shifter ball
(don't want to break it) as I want to replace the insert, it has holes in
it, with a new one. Any help would be appreciated.

Al Barlow
1971 442 Convertible
Thomaston, Maine

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 18:59:21 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Speaker

Gary Manton wrote:
> 
> Looking to find a 4x10 10 Ohm speaker for the front dash?
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> G
>           \\|//
>           (o o)
> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 
> Gary M. Manton                                  SAS Institute
> Business Solutions Division                     Phoenix, AZ  85012
> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice                 (602) 265-8585 - fax
>                                                 (888) 982-4079 - Pager
> 
> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
> if you stay in the middle of the road"
> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
try Wally World...or wal-mart...they sell factory replacement 
speakers...Hoagie

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 97 17:01:03 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: MCC Autofest 10/4

> Does anybody on the list have details of this event?  ie, judged?, classes?,
From the flyer I received:
Tri-State's One-of-a-kind event! MCC Autofest 1997.  A celebration of cars! Saturday Oct 4, 1997 at Roberts Stadium in Evansville.  Classes for all makes and models of automobiles.  Goodie bags and event keepsakes for all entrants.  Best of show and people's choice awards.  Special displays, seminars and presentations.  Enter your car in the MCC Autofest by Sept 19 and receive a My Classic Car license plate ABSOLUTELY FREE!  It's not just a car show - it's an automotive spectacular!  Our special "MCC Showroom" will feature the cars you've seen this year on My Classic Car Video Magazine, including: GT40 Mark II, Tucker '48, 1957 Battlebird, 427 Competition Cobra, Dodge Charger Daytona, The legendary Shelby SuperSnake and many more!  PLUS! We'll tape an episode of My Classic Car for next season.  Show your car at the Autofest and you may be on national television!

Honestly, I don't know what to expect, but the flyer sounds good, to me at least.  You could always check their web site for info www.myclassiccar.com   The official host hotel is Radisson Hotel Evansville, which is downtown.  Special $69 rates for autofest participants and visitors, call 1-800-457-3841 for reservations.
FYI, the hotel isn't really near the stadium, it's at least a 15 minute drive, unless they've improved the roads in E'ville.

> worth driving my 72 H/O all the way from St. Louis? (it only has 8K original
Well, I don't think I could make that call.  I live 90 minutes north of E'ville and went to college there so I'm going since the other plans I had fell through.  I'm ready for a nice car show and since it's close and I like watching My Classic Car on tv, I'm going.  I do know the town had a bunch of nice rods when I went to school there (five years ago).  I also don't have to worry about kids, wife or anything like that, all I do is say to my girlfriend "honey, I want to go to evansville to the MCC autofest"  And then listen to her bitch and moan about car this and car that, don't spend any time with me, blah, blah, blah.  Then she realizes she can visit a friend and decides to go with.  Personally, if you've got the time and don't mind the drive, not sure how far st. louis is, I would recommend it.  Any other questions or things I can help with?  Let me know.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 19:06:41 -0400
From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Subject: Re: W Machine Pole

My W-30 Specs...

1970 4-4-2 W-30
4-Speed
3:91 rear
Sherwood green w/ white stripes
Sherwood green interior (48/48)
Of special note: I'm the sixth owner, this car was sold originally by Story
Olds in Lansing, have build sheet, car was on the cover of Muscle Car
review Dec./Jan. 96 (Kings of Woodward Ave.)

1971 4-4-2 W-30 Convertible
Dual Gate
3.23 rear
Sienna w/ white stripes
Black interior
White top
AM-FM 8-Track
Of special note: I'm the fourth owner, 51,000 original miles, Car was
originally purchased from Story Olds in Lansing, documentation w/ car
includes - build sheet, bill of sale, protecto plate, owners manual and
warranty papers. Original 8-track tape in holder still with car(Variety
Concert in Stereo vol. 5). Car was selected to represent 1971 in the "AA"
area of the Centennial festivities.

Regards,
Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed
1971 4-4-2 W-30, Convertible
OCA # 028157

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:30:37 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Audio Speaker

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Gary Manton wrote:

> Looking to find a 4x10 10 Ohm speaker for the front dash?
> 
> Any suggestions?

Make sure any aftermarket jobs you look at buying are 8 to 10 ohms 
resistance... most new ones I've seen are 4 ohms. Someone suggested 
getting the rear speaker out of a G-body Cutlass 2-door or similar car, 
which apparently used 4x10s and are the proper resistance. These may need 
a separate ground lead, not a big problem though.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 16:22:04 -0700
From: Gary Manton <sasgmm@unx.sas.com>
Subject: Re: Audio Speaker

The speakers that they sell are 4 ohm not 10 ohm.

Any other ideas........



At 06:59 PM 10/3/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Gary Manton wrote:
>> 
>> Looking to find a 4x10 10 Ohm speaker for the front dash?
>> 
>> Any suggestions?
>> 
>> G
>>           \\|//
>>           (o o)
>> ~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> 
>> Gary M. Manton                                  SAS Institute
>> Business Solutions Division                     Phoenix, AZ  85012
>> (602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice                 (602) 265-8585 - fax
>>                                                 (888) 982-4079 - Pager
>> 
>> "In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
>> if you stay in the middle of the road"
>> ~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>try Wally World...or wal-mart...they sell factory replacement 
>speakers...Hoagie
>
>
          \\|//
          (o o)                     
~~~~~~oOOo~(_)~oOOo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Gary M. Manton					SAS Institute
Business Solutions Division			Phoenix, AZ  85012
(602) 265-1616 ext. 230 - voice		        (602) 265-8585 - fax
						(888) 982-4079 - Pager

"In business as in life, your chances of being run over are doubled
if you stay in the middle of the road"
~~~~~~oooo~~~~~oooo~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 18:32:11 -0500
From: Flipper <phillil@redoak.heartland.net>
Subject: Generator to Alternator swap

I am trying to find the proper information to remove the generator on my
1961 Olds Dynamic 88 and replace with a alternator with a self exciting
regulator.  Does anyone know of a good web site with the proper information.
I will rewire to new gauges if that is the only way, but would prefer to use
the stock "idiot" lights.  I need to know what wire to run from the back of
the alternator to the back of the generator light, and what other changes
MUST be done.  I have hand polished the alternator and used this on my 1948
GMC which was completely rewired by a friend of mine who is no longer in the
area to help.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Please send private
email, as the list doesn't need to be bogged down with more messages which
only apply to a specific year and make of vehicle.

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Date: Fri, 3 Oct 1997 20:37:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: FS '70 Rallye 350 4-Speed

On Fri, 3 Oct 1997, Andrew A. Senko wrote:
> 
> Wasn't somebody on the list looking to buy a Rallye 350 recently?  I saw
> the following ad in the latest JWO:
> 
> 1970 RALLYE 350 4-SPEED.  Complete.  Needs restored.  $3500/OBO.... Bernie
> (419)641-2385.  After 6pm.

I think this is Bernie Karhoff in Ohio. I bought some parts from him a 
while back, and thought he was a good guy. FWIW...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Fri, 03 Oct 1997 19:41:07 -0400
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Console Question

Al Barlow wrote:
> 
> I would like to take out the woodgrain insert from the automatic console on
> my 1971 442 convertible. To do this I need to remove the wooden ball on top
> of the shifting linkage. Can anyone tell me how to remove this shifter ball
> (don't want to break it) as I want to replace the insert, it has holes in
> it, with a new one. Any help would be appreciated.

It simply unscrews (counterclockwise).  Once you have the ball off, the
insert will clear the shifter when raised up and rotated 90 degrees.

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Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

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