
oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 25 1997       Volume 01 : Number 818



Re: Mail Delivery
Re: Lansing Memories
olds 442 on tv
RE: Build Sheets
Re: Mail Delivery (Olds List computer question)
65 Delta 88
Re: Remove
Re: 1967 cutlass convertible
ADMIN: Closed List
Re: ADMIN: Closed List
Re: TEST
LANSING.......can you handle more !
What shall I say about Lansing? (Karl Aune)
mike rothe
1998 OLDS NATS
Re: W-455 intake question
Re: LANSING, its so sweet
Comparisons
Re: Remove
80 442W30  info? -- Jason L Maybe?
I WILL be there....   (Re: 1998 OLDS NATS)
ADMIN: Trivial subject heading suggestion ;)
Re: W-455 intake question
RE: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>
The Internet, Mail lists, FAQ, Web pages . . .
Lansing Diary Day 5 & 6 (long)
UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)
Re: LANSING.......can you handle more !
TEST, don't read
Re: Lansing Memories
Re: HEI responds
Re: 1998 OLDS NATS
Re: Lansing Memories
Re: LANSING, its so sweet
Re: Mail Delivery
Re: 1966 Delta 88
Re: Rear End Help
Re: A/G Body rear ends?
RE: Build Sheets
Re: W-455 intake question
Re: Lansing, vendors cards
Test, don't read
Re: Got whooped!
Re: W-455 intake part II
Re: Thanks for tire info
Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?
Listen to my Rocket!
Re: Build Sheets
Re: 1998 Olds Nationals
Re: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)
Re: HEI
Re: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)
Re: Listen to my Rocket!
Re: Back from Lansing

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:35:07 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Mail Delivery

Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > Can someone tell me why I will be able to read the reply to this
> > post before I am actually able to read this post?  Many times I
> > receive list mail that is in response to mail that has not been
> > delivered yet.....Gets kinda confusing sometimes....TIM
> 
> Oh, just taking a stab at it, it prolly has to do in delays in forwarding
> mail from one domain to another.  Message A gets delivered, message B
> gets deferred cause the receipient was busy, message C gets delivered,
> message B finally makes it through, etc...

If your mail client will allow you to "show all headers", you will see
that majordummy and listserve mails are "bulk precedence".  Like the
USPS, bulk mail gets the lowest priority.  If any server along the way
gets a request with higher precedence, the maillist email must wait for
the next opportunity to be retransmitted down the web.
 
> If you keep you email in date/time order (like me) I've noticed some
> senders clocks being way off -- like by several years -- which gives the
> appearance of being out of sync.

Yea, I love getting email from the future.  Now if one of those guys
would just send me tomorrow's Georgia lotto numbers ;-)

Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:35:23 -0500
From: Michael Brady <drolds19@starnetinc.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing Memories

Hello All-Lansing was outstanding!! The town of Lansing and Oldsmobile 
treated us like gold-Great cars-Great people!!!! I think i wore out my 
shoe's walking from one lot to another but it was well worth it. 
Don Sowers--the nationals will be held in Springfield, Illinois and 
hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds Chapter in 1998, i must admit that i 
am looking forward to ALL the Oldsmobiles being parked ALL in one 
parking lot--people who attended Lansing will attest to that!! 

Michael Brady
OCA-NAOC-IVOC-Starfire/Jststar 1 chapter
1961 Super 88 Holiday Coupe 'BubbleTop'

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:36:46 -0400
From: darren drury <druryde@jmu.edu>
Subject: olds 442 on tv

Hello to all members of this listserv. I am not a member, but I wanted to inform all of the Oldsmobile fans of a possible event on television that may occur on the morning of 8/26. I helped a friend restore his 1970 olds 442 w-30 convertible and he has been showing it here around the Washington D.C. area. NBC television and Willard Scott contacted him and would like to use his car as a backdrop for a segment on the Today Show. Willard is going to salute Oldsmobile during his morning segment and they contacted my friend about using his car in the live video shoot. Now, they have scheduled this twice and twice it has been cancelled, but they will try again tomorrow so set your VCR's. If they fail to do it again, I send my apologies to you all. I just thought I would let you all know about it. If there is another schedule change, I will try to inform you. My friend does not have Internet access, but if anyone wants to comment to him about his car, you can email me and I will see that he gets the info.
	Thanks for your time.
	Darren Drury
Druryde@jmu.edu

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:46:20 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: Build Sheets

I can tell you that on the factory tour the build sheets the workers used 
were glued to the door glass on the passenger side. Obviously they didn't 
stay there forever but we didn't see anyone removing them and putting them 
elsewhere. They were large, about 11x15 or so.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 10:46:56 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: Re: Mail Delivery (Olds List computer question)

Cnvrtbl442@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am on AOL and use their standard mail,
> whatever it is. Apparently there are people that get mail quicker than I
> do and apparently depending on where its sent from makes a diff-
> erence as to how long it takes to arrive.  Anyone else have this??? TIM

I don't want to start an AOL flame-fest, but I left AOL over a year ago
and never looked back.  The email client is awful, especially if you're
on a high volume maillist, and they give you no alternative.  Get a real
ISP and use either eudora, pegasus or netscape for email and you won't
believe the difference.  If you travel often, like I do, and want to
stay in touch, then IBMnet and ATTworldnet both have excellent telephone
access networks for the same price as AOL for unlimited service.  If
travel is not an issue, then you can often find local ISP's with much
lower pricing.  Shop around.

Sorry for the non-Olds content, but I feel the content is definitely
germaine to the maillist.

Patrick
- -- 
Patrick Flowers    Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:06:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: 65 Delta 88

Does anybody have a drivers door window regulator for a 65 Delta 88 2
door? I need one!


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Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:10:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tmglg@aol.com
Subject: Re: Remove

Please remove

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMAN6771@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1967 cutlass convertible

tom thanks very much!!!!!!!

brent
1967 cutlass convertible

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:29:51 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Closed List

I've been informed by Chebucto that they've turned on the feature that 
makes this list closed. That means that only members can post to it. This 
will hopefully stop the spam problem in it's tracks.

There is a good chance, though, that some members might have a problem 
posting depending on their host configuration. If so, let me know and 
I'll see what I can do.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:41:38 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Closed List

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> I've been informed by Chebucto that they've turned on the feature that
> makes this list closed. That means that only members can post to it. This
> will hopefully stop the spam problem in it's tracks.
> 
Way to go Greg!  Finally, a way to go on a no-spam diet!  Thanks!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:49:25 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: TEST

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> I've been informed by Chebucto that they've turned on the feature that
> makes this list closed. That means that only members can post to it.
> This will hopefully stop the spam problem in it's tracks.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:27:01 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Subject: LANSING.......can you handle more !

MORE pics have been added !!!!! By popular demand.....(now that I'm
awake) ALL file names have been changed to reflect the image. On the
images that I'm unsure of the year, only one digit of the yesr (ex. 6_
442.jpg) in the file name. If you can identify the year, let me know and
it'll be corrected. There was just to many pics for me to keep track of.
Plus, because I'm more of an 80's fan, (nothing personal) I really don't
know them as well.

Next update will contain the scanned 35mm pics, as soon as there back
from developing. Tomorrow, the page will have a VENDOR.jpg/gif file, it
will contain the business cards we collected......scanned. Hope there
helpful.

keep checking !


ON A SAD NOTE: A club members car was STOLEN one week prior to the
100th. The car pictures and all details are going to be available at
this site within 24 hours. PLEASE be on the look-out for anything out
there strange in the parts world. Things have a way of turning up in the
strangest places. You'll be able to contact the owner direct via e-mail
from this site.

- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:38:59 -0700
From: "John P. Stachler" <"jpstax@sprintmail.com"@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>
Subject: What shall I say about Lansing? (Karl Aune)

PREFACE; I am not subscribed, do not reply to me as I cannot recieve
Email as this 'Net account is not mine.

Yet...

Concerning the Oldsmobile Centennial in Lansing, Michigan, what can I
say?

Was there were too many things going on over the course of too few days
to see or do everything?

Were the people I have communicated with for so long more down to earth
than I could have guessed, or was a person was not as tall, heavy, or
had a different hair color (Peg) than I expected?

Why were some of the most noteworthy list members not present?

Were there so many pristene antique Oldsmobiles there that a body could
imagine that they truly were not rarities, but rather more numerous than
grains of sand?
  
Was the hotel's swimming pool as wet as the ice water, or the beer, or
the swap meet?

Did I get my money's worth at the swap meet?

Did "Sparky" really turn handsprings in the lounge at the Days Inn?

Why were reports of Jason Labay and Daren unconfirmed?

Why were reports of the quality of the Michigan Festival concerts so
half-hearted that I never bothered to claim my Michigan Fest button?

Why did it rain for three out of five days?

If the Bryceman cometh, is he allergic to the Radisson Hotel? Or is he
still proposing marriage to female Oldsmobile owners?

Was I really looking for a place to park when Soylent Ocean Mist ended
up in the middle of the early stages of the parade behind the 1931
Oldsmobile for approximately two minutes?

Was that really Karl Aune and Dave Brown sitting in the stands
immediately behind the Oldsmobile corporate officers during the
ceremonies of welcome for the Oldsmobile caravans?

And exactly how did Karl manage to park in the heart of the downtown
area (outside of the Oldsmobile display lots) for hours at a time at no
cost?

Why did Bob Handren not smoke his tires for our benefit?

Why is there not a vaccine for the Toronado disease that Chris Witt
succumbed to?

Why doesn't everybody know just how staggering the volume of information
is that is contained in the GM Assembly Manuals?

Why are the intersections in Lansing of such poor design?

Why did Greg Pruett plant his woofers?

How come the Centennial brocures did not mention that the shuttle buses
(and traffic in general) would not be running during the parades?

Why am I still asking questions when I know the answer?




What shall I say about the Oldsmobile Centennial in Lansing, Michigan?


Cool.



Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Member of OCA, IVOC
Chicago, IL

See y'all again.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 13:34:59 -0400
From: chrsi burge <cburge@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu>
Subject: mike rothe

Thanks for the answers on the center console!!

I understand if you don't want to part with your tri power.
I will keep looking and if i can't find one else where, i'll call
you back and beg you to let it go.

question:  Is there any way to get a tri power set up on a 72 350
           rocket?

thanks a bunch

cburge

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:14:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: 1998 OLDS NATS

For all of you who are inquiring about the 1998 Oldsmobile Nats, they will be
held 
on July 15th-18th at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Springfield ILLINOIS.  It is
hosted by the 
Illinois Valley Olds Chapter..  

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

THE 1999 OLDS NATS WILL BE HELD IN DALLAS TEXAS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 97 14:16:28 EDT
From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
> {your leaning over the front of the car}  According to the manual, the 
> PCV hose which comes off the base of the carb, should connect to the 
> PCV valve itself then to a "hose nipple" on the intake manifold.  This 
> "hose nipple" is located just left of the thermostat cover.  My W-455 
> aluminum intake has this "casted hole" but it seems to have a plug in 
> it, which is hollowed out. |_|  It appears that this "plug" can be 
> removed.
> 
> My question:  Is it possible, (without taking off the intake manifold), 
> to remove this "plug" and insert a "hose nipple" or possibly cut 
> threads to accept a screw-in fitting for the PCV valve hose?
> 
> I'm not sure what to do and don't want to start "hacking away" on a 
> $850. intake!

I'm a little confused.    What is under this hole in the intake?  a
cylinder intake runner,  the exhaust cross over, or the cam galley?

If its the cylinder intake, this setup would make no sense, routing a 
hose from a  carb vac source to a intake runner vacuum source would 
be pointless.  routing a carb vac source into the exhaust crossover
would utterly pointless (without a proper EGR valve, which wasn't until 
73 or so), and without a pcv 'valve' in the middle, a vac source routed
to the cam galley wouldn't serve a good purpose either.  ... Plus, it
would be the only manifold mounted pcv valve I ever heard of, everyone
did these on the valve covers, Olds included.

Consider, for the time being, setting up a functioning non-original 
positive crankcase ventilation system.  Wait until you can go to a show
where you'll see a number of examples of the intake/vacuum hose setup
you are looking for.    I wouldn't start drilling out plugs to return a
manifold to its original condition until I saw a number of examples
of it in its original condition.  Especially with an $850 mainifold....
(did I read that correctly? $850?  that came with an engine and trans
right? :-)  ))

On the technical side of this. if this plug is threaded, and you can
cut a groove into the top of it and remove it with a screw driver, or use 
an 'easy-out' .    If it isn't threaded, you would have to drill it out
and tap new threads to accept a nipple fitting.   if any drilling or tapping
is required, remove the manifold... otherwise the scraps will fall down into
whatever passage you've drilled into.

good luck...


Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass 
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart 
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:33:44 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: LANSING, its so sweet

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
>   BTW, the
> highlight of the trip was yesterday afternoon when i raceds a 83 H/O under
> the Lansing Center heading toward the swap area.  People were just cheering
> and applauding of the raw horsepower display of both cars.
> 

Ooh ooh ooh!!!  Did you get ~that~ on tape????   :)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:27:09 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Comparisons

Hi all, 

I was just reading "Guide to GM Muscle Cars" by HPBooks and I was 
comparing two Chubbys to my favorite 68 H/O.

Here is what I saw:

Car            CID/MHP  0-60  1/4mph  1/4   lbs
1968 Nova SS   396/375  5.9   101.1   14.5  2850
1970 Chevelle/
     Malibu    454/450  n/a   108.17  13.44 3307
1968 H/O       455/390  6.5   108.17  12.97 3603

It is amazing that a car as heavy as the H/O could move so fast!
It is also amazing that it, even with it HP rating, did the 1/4
faster than the Chubbelle Malipoo.  Just amazing.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:35:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Remove

remove

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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 12:48:00 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 80 442W30  info? -- Jason L Maybe?

I'm just re-forwarding this one, but adding a subject line to grab more
attention.

Aaron Case wrote:
> 
> I would like to know more about my 1980 olds 442 W-30.  The vin # is
> 3K47RAM531538  I would also like to find some info about my 455
> engine...the #'s off the engine are as follows.  off the oil filler neck
> 1173784 and off the block right above the water pump 396021F.  I am an
> avid olds fan especially the 442's...I would like to find out if it is
> an original and where the motor came out of...I was told it came out of
> a 1975 toronado, but I don't know any way of finding out...My car is
> black and gold with T-tops and I have not seen any others exactly like
> it...the closest that I came is a 1979 Hurst/Olds...I would also like to
> find out how many they made of my car...Thank you very much and if you
> have any questions or need any more information please either email me
> at <btrombly@southern.edu> or call me at (423) 238-3231... thanks
> much!!!!!

- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: I WILL be there....   (Re: 1998 OLDS NATS)

In a message dated 97-08-25 14:17:42 EDT, you write:

<< 
 For all of you who are inquiring about the 1998 Oldsmobile Nats, they will
be
 held 
 on July 15th-18th at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Springfield ILLINOIS.  It is
 hosted by the 
 Illinois Valley Olds Chapter..  
 
 W MACHINES
 72 442 W-30
 
  >>
I, for one, will be there with bells, and whistles on..... since I missed the
Lansing opportunity.....  (groan, wince, I'm still recovering....).  I'll
also have to hit a few other big shows next year.....  gotta make up for
missing.....  well, you know.......

Chris Ruper

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Date: Sun, 25 Aug 1996 13:11:03 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Trivial subject heading suggestion ;)

Greg, would it be possible (read that "simple") for chebucto and the
Major Dummo :) to add a source heading on the replies? (for example, the
Toro list lists the subject as "(Toro)_________" etc.  My old (and I
mean ~old~!) mail reader listed the sender as oldsmobile@chebucto... but
never gave the name of the original sender.  Netscape gives the original
sender, but no reference of the Olds list.  On busy days, I (yes, I'll
admit it...) have a tendancy to scan through the most interesting
subject headings.  However, I have no ~quick~ way of knowing if other
messages are Olds list postings or if they're personal e-mails from
someone, etc...  If the listserver could stick "(Olds)" in front of the
subject heading like the Toro list does, it'd simplify things there. 
(If it's not a major hassle to get that to happen...?)  Mike, do you
have any thoughts on this?  Do you know if it was much trouble to get
that on the Toro list?  Anyone else have any pros/cons to the issue? 
Whaddya think?  

- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:24:46 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

Allow me to add my $.02 worth.  This past weekend while in Lansing I
recieved an education in intakes and PCV connections for my 1970.  The
OAI intakes on all 455s had a fitting in the intake for the PCV.  The
hole for the fitting is open to the lifter galley.  On non OAI cars this
same arrangement was used on four speed cars and iron intakes, while
automatics had the PCV in the left valve cover.  Fusick sells a 90
degree rubber nipple to go between the fitting on the intake and the PCV
valve.  A short hose goes between the PCV valve and the base of the
carb.  This set up allows the use of two breather tubes between the air
filter and the valve covers for better crank case breathing.  I saw this
setup on all W-30 cars that I looked at from 1970 to 1972.  I will be
drilling a hole in my intake for this arrangement in the near future. 
This should clean up my engine compartment as I have always had excess
pressure in my engine.  My car had an engine from a automatic car
swapped in years ago and they did not switch back to the correct PCV set
up.

Hope this helps,
Dave Wyatt 
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:35:02 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>

Thanks Bill for the great pictures and the work that went into making 
them available to the list. I enjoyed ever one of them and look 
forward to seeing the rest. Let me be the first to give you the Olds 
list "AT-A-BOY" award.

Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Bill Gochenour [SMTP:billg@stjohns.edu]
Sent:	Sunday, August 24, 1997 5:45 AM
To:	Oldmobile list server
Subject:	Good-bye LANSING !, last update !......<sniffle>

Sorry to have to say this, but we're leaving LANSING at 4:30 on 
Sunday.
So this will be the last message until we're back at home. Charlie B. 
is
100% correct, posting those images at 2am turned out to be a real 
job.
Most were taken with the digital camera, which meant downloading,
enhancing, compressing, naming, saving, uploading, then giving access
rights to the files. When you get the "FORBIDEN" message, it means I
left out the last step. As you can see I did start to define the file
names, unfortunately after I had already saved them. Which meant I
needed to view each one a second time in order for me to find out 
what
each one was, and at 2am that would have done more harm than good! 
I'll
need a day or two to get on top of all the pictures (uploaded and 
still
in the camera). Got alot of parade pics today, and several 1988 areo
Hurst/Olds.

LANSING was an experience that I was glad to be a part of and will
remember forever. I made alot of new friends. Learned alot about
Oldsmobiles. And had fun in the process! Most of all, being able to
share it in this small way with all the people that couldn't make it 
in
person.

Well, that's all folks !

I'll let the list know when the pics are ready.

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _ 
 \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | 
|
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      / 
 /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   / 
 /__
                                             |_|         |_| 
  |_______|

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:26:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David Brown \(Olds FAQ Compiler\)" <oldsfaqcompiler@rocketmail.com>
Subject: The Internet, Mail lists, FAQ, Web pages . . .

The recent complaints about pictures not being labled reminded me that
this Mail list, most FAQs, and most non-corporate internet entities
are VOLUNTEER efforts, NOT SERVICES! The BBS (Bulletin Board System)
of the 1980's and early 90's was not a service either, as some had
thought.





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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:31:33 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing Diary Day 5 & 6 (long)

Saturday, August 23rd

More of a relaxing start to this day, which dawns clear (finally!) and 
sunny. Our only agenda items are the parade at 11:00AM, and the "Future 
of Oldsmobile" exhibit at Lansing Center sometime thereafter. But Sandy 
and Don still want to do some more swap meet stuff, so we head out 
shortly after 9:00AM despite dire warnings in the paper about traffic and 
parking problems due to the parade. The traffic turns out to be the 
lightest of the whole week and parking was a breeze. We park near the 
swap meet and head for the bridge to look at the 70's cars. A pair of 
Aegean Aqua cars get our attention, but like always, there are so many 
beautiful cars that it's tough to pick out just a few. 

Around 10:30 we stake out a spot on the parade route on the corner next to
the Radisson Hotel. A good thing... within minutes the crowd is 4 or 5
deep. The parade gets started just a little late and by now the crowds are
incredibly thick. The sun was beating down on us and aside from a little
sunburn it wasn't too bad at all... nice to finally feel some warmth. The
parade had the usual dignitaries and celebrities, lots of marching bands,
some helium cartoon balloons, and lots of Oldsmobiles, usually 3 or more
from each year. There were a ton of Curved Dashes, which were neat to see,
and they all seemed to run just fine. Linda Vaughn was there too, along
with Joe Mondello. The cars were great to see but after a couple of hours
of standing around in the sun interest began to wane. Hearing "My Merry
Oldsmobile" for the umpteenth time didn't help either, though I have to
admit the MSU band did a great job with it. Once the 80s cars started
coming through the crowds were a little thinner. But we stayed for the
whole thing, including the '98 models at the end. A really nice job of
organizing, we thought. 

Brian, Steve and I went off to do some scrounging and lunch, while Sandy
and Don still hadn't had enough of the swap meet. I tried really hard to
score one of the volunteer golf shirts with the Centennial embroidery on
it, which weren't otherwise for sale, while Brian really wanted one of the
flags that were given to cars in the motorcade, and we both still wanted
one of those lamppost banners. I almost talked one of the volunteers into
selling me her shirt, but in the end she declined.  Others would hear
nothing of it, so I went shirtless. Damn. Same with the flag quest. Seemed
that by Saturday a lot of the paid event staff were a little tired of all
the questions and were less than courteous, though the volunteers (who
probably hadn't worked so many hours) were a little friendlier. 

We finally gave up, decided to have lunch at RumRunners -- surprisingly
good -- then went through the "Future" exhibit. It was really well done, I
thought, with lots of A/V stuff, archival footage, and nice static
displays. When we got to the current and future cars it was again less
than thrilling. In fact, of all the cars there, we liked sitting in the 88
LSS the most. And, of course, it's going to be discontinued at the end of
the year. I'd say the jury is still out on the future based on what we
saw. I hope they make it, but Camry-clones and the like just don't get my
heart pumping. Trivia note: the 97 Bravada is the last vehicle to wear the
old "Rocket" logo; next year it will get the new oval. BTW, Bravadas are
everywhere in Lansing; this town is still extremely loyal to the company. 

We stopped at the riverfront to have some birthday cake and refresh
oursleves, then headed over to look at a few show cars before meeting up
with Sandy and Don. There was a 57 low-rider custom that was incredible,
and the 50's field in general was a treat to see. When we found the boys,
they had bought a bit more stuff and had collected some boxes for Sandy.
He had a couple of problems. He had a lot of stuff, it wouldn't all fit
into his bags, and it was heavy. Plus he had lousy airline connections,
and had to leave at 6:30 Sunday morning which meant he had to be up around
4:30. Ouch. So we headed back to the hotel to pack our stuff and get
organized. Somehow I managed to find a way to get everything into my bags,
but Sandy had no such luck. He ended up with a few bags, all jammed, and a
big heavy box that he somehow had to manage to get all the way through
customs and back home. I wondered if it would hold up to all those airline
transfers and customs inspections. 

Dinner reservations were at Clara's, and while it was OK, it was a bit of 
a disappointment -- food only average, the place itself was hot, crowded 
and noisy. Hard to understand the crowds other than for the building 
itself, which is an old railway station and therefore quite neat. Drove 
out to the Michigan Festival around 10:00, but when we saw the crowds and 
given our early start the next morning we just didn't have the energy to 
go in. Sat in the car, heard the first 2 of Randy Travis' songs, then 
drove home. We were all worn out. A quiet ending to a great week. 

Sunday, August 24th

The phone rang at 4:30AM -- Sandy's wake up call. And mine too, as it 
turned out. He was gone by 5:00, but I was awake for good too. Made use 
of the time as best I could, made sure everything was packed and ready, 
and went down to breakfast about 6:30. Brian was already there, looking 
tired. Donnie and Steve joined us before 7:00, and we were checked out by 
7:30. Donnie dropped us at the airport by 8:00, and he was off to Windsor 
in the rental car for his flight home. No problems getting home, 
Northwest came through for us again, and we were on the ground in Halifax 
by 2:00PM. A very quiet flight home; we were all just exhausted.

All in all it was a great week. Yes, I spent more than I intended. No, I 
didn't get to see everything I wanted to see. And yes, I am still quite 
tired. But as we heard time and time again all week, it's something 
you'll never see again. I'm glad I got to be a part of it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:35:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)

Forwarding for Chris Sparks...

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:18:53 -0700
From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
- ---------------------------------------

Hi all, 

I was just reading "Guide to GM Muscle Cars" by HPBooks and I was 
comparing two Chubbys to my favorite 68 H/O.

Here is what I saw:

Car            CID/MHP  0-60  1/4mph  1/4   lbs
1968 Nova SS   396/375  5.9   101.1   14.5  2850
1970 Chevelle/
     Malibu    454/450  n/a   108.17  13.44 3307
1968 H/O       455/390  6.5   108.17  12.97 3603

It is amazing that a car as heavy as the H/O could move so fast!
It is also amazing that it, even with it HP rating, did the 1/4
faster than the Chubbelle Malipoo.  Just amazing.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:31:22 -0700
From: Bill Gochenour <3sticks@stjohns.edu>
Subject: Re: LANSING.......can you handle more !

MORE pics have been added !!!!! By popular demand.....(now that I'm
awake) ALL file names have been changed to reflect the image. On the
images that I'm unsure of the year, only one digit of the yesr (ex. 6_
442.jpg) in the file name. If you can identify the year, let me know and
it'll be corrected. There was just to many pics for me to keep track of.
Plus, because I'm more of an 80's fan, (nothing personal) I really don't
know them as well.

Next update will contain the scanned 35mm pics, as soon as there back
from developing. Tomorrow, the page will have a VENDOR.jpg/gif file, it
will contain the business cards we collected......scanned. Hope there
helpful.

keep checking !

ON A SAD NOTE: A club members car was STOLEN one week prior to the
100th. The car pictures and all details are going to be available at
this site within 24 hours. PLEASE be on the look-out for anything out
there strange in the parts world. Things have a way of turning up in the
strangest places. You'll be able to contact the owner direct via e-mail
from this site.

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1997 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Z-34        |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                             |_|         |_|   |_______|

        http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 6/15/97)

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:42:09 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: TEST, don't read



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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:59:03 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: Lansing Memories

Other Lansing attendees have been offering their impressions, so I thought
I'd say something, too.

Lansing was just superb.  It was _so_ neat to see all those old Oldsmobiles
in one place at one time.  It's never going to happen again, unless Olds
throws another party for the 150th or 200th anniversary.  I mean, 100
Curved Dash Oldsmobiles together at one time in one place?  Not one, nor
two, but THREE 1910 or 1911 Oldsmobile Limiteds?  But there they were.
Impressive as aich-ee-double-hockey-sticks.

There were people bringing cars to this show who might never otherwise
consider bringing their car to a show.  They did because of the signficance
of the event and because they were invited by Olds.  I had the distinct
impression of a bunch of stray animals all instinctively returning to the
nest.  They might not have consciously known where "home" was, but they
felt an inexplicable pull to Lansing.

About the most enjoyable aspect of this past weekend amongst a host of
enjoyable aspects was something that wasn't even a formal event.  It was
just so neat (this word may get overworked, but at most points, words can't
do justice to this past weekend) to see all of these old Oldses driving
around on the streets, parked in parking lots or along the side of the
road, as though they did that every day and this really was 1952 or 1967
(or 1903 for that matter--I did see a few Curved Dashes cruising around
town, and their drivers were often dressed appropriately for the
turn-of-the-century).  Waiting for the hotel shuttle buses was actually a
very enjoyable thing to do because you could just sit there in front of the
Lansing Center and watch the old Oldses go by.  It was like a parade that
lasted for four days.

I used up almost 7 rolls of film this weekend, and once I get them back
from the developer (which should be tomorrow afternoon), I'll scan some of
them and put them on my web page.  I'll put a note on here when they're up.
 Most of the photos are of the cars, but there's a few "atmosphere" shots,
and two rolls were used up on the parade, which is another story altogether!



Dan



**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:05:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: HEI responds

a HEI will allow you to run a higher voltage coil and then you can run
greater gapped spark plugs.  the HEI will also help reduce crossfire in the
distributer.

mike

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:15:23 -0400
From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Subject: Re: 1998 OLDS NATS

At 02:14 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>For all of you who are inquiring about the 1998 Oldsmobile Nats, they will be
>held 
>on July 15th-18th at the Crowne Plaza hotel in Springfield ILLINOIS.  It is
>hosted by the 
>Illinois Valley Olds Chapter..  
>
>W MACHINES
>72 442 W-30
>
>THE 1999 OLDS NATS WILL BE HELD IN DALLAS TEXAS FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND.

Yes, the 1999 Nats will be hosted by the North Texas Chapter.  

The OCA Nationals are not held in the same city every year.  Rather, it
moves around depending on which chapter is hosting it.  This is only fair
to people living on the other end of the country.  

I attended for a while the OCA board meeting which was held in Lansing last
week, and a couple of items about future Nats came up.  I didn't stay
around long enough to hear what was finally decided (these meetings are
interminable, and I do I have a life to lead!), but here's what I heard
before I left.

Two groups were making presentations to the board to host the 2000
nationals. One was the Rallye 350 Chapter out of New Jersey, and the other
was the Northern Lights Chapter in Canada.  Actually, the Northern Lights
group is not formally a chapter of the OCA, but rather is an "affiliated
organization," and there was some question as to whether they could, under
OCA by-laws, sponsor a nationals.  I think the board was going to figure
out a way around this if the decision was made to award the 2000 nats to
the Northern Lights group.  As I said, I didn't stay around long enough to
see what was decided, but it seems reasonable to conclude that the 2000
nats will be in either New Jersey or Canada.  I'm not sure where the
Northern Lights group is based.


The other, potentially more interesting (at least to my mind) item that
came up at the board meeting concerned future national meets.  Hu
Vandervoort, who is currently the president of the National Antique
Oldsmobile Club (NAOC), added an item to the agenda to discuss the
possbility of having an event like we just had in Lansing every five years.
 The proposal was to have the national meets of the major Oldsmobile clubs
(the OCA, NAOC, Curved Dash club, and perhaps the Hurst/Olds Club) all be
in Lansing at the same time every five years beginning in 2002.  

Thus, the atmosphere and excitement of this past weekend could be recreated
more frequently than every 100 years.  By starting in 2002, the event will
be held on the five-year multiples of the founding of Oldsmobile (105th
anniversary, 110th, etc.).  I think that this is a super idea, and I hope
it comes to pass.  This was to have been the very last agenda item, so I
did not hear it discussed.  

We should be reading about all of this in a future JWO when they report the
minutes of the meeting.



Dan

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:27:21 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Lansing Memories

On Mon, 25 Aug 1997, Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> It was
> just so neat (this word may get overworked, but at most points, words can't
> do justice to this past weekend) to see all of these old Oldses driving
> around on the streets, parked in parking lots or along the side of the
> road, as though they did that every day and this really was 1952 or 1967
> (or 1903 for that matter--I did see a few Curved Dashes cruising around
> town, and their drivers were often dressed appropriately for the
> turn-of-the-century).

Exactly. I saw a few Curved Dashes running around town too. They make a 
fine runabout. But there were times when you'd see a few 50's cars all 
together at a stoplight and you'd swear it was 1959 all over again... 
almost surreal.

The other thing that struck me was the way that Oldsmobile "culture" 
permeated the city. The front page of the paper every day was 
Olds-related, most of the locals seemed to be up on what it was all 
about, and you were just immersed in the whole atmosphere all day. Our 
waitress one day at lunch seemed to sum it up... she saw our Olds buttons 
and started telling us about her '72 Cutlass. Seems like most people 
there can tell you something similar. The people of Lansing really 
support the company. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:45:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: LANSING, its so sweet

In a message dated 97-08-25 14:59:37 EDT, you write:

<<  highlight of the trip was yesterday afternoon when i raceds a 83 H/O
under
 > the Lansing Center heading toward the swap area.  People were just
cheering
 > and applauding of the raw horsepower display of both cars.
 > 
 
 Ooh ooh ooh!!!  Did you get ~that~ on tape????   :)
  >>
nope, unfortunately I was the driver and I had no passenger, maybe somebody
got the video, have to put an add out in the JWO

W MACHINES

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:48:32 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Mail Delivery

> Can someone tell me why I will be able to read the reply to this
> post before I am actually able to read this post?  Many times I 
> receive list mail that is in response to mail that has not been 
> delivered yet.....Gets kinda confusing sometimes....TIM

I had this problem with my last isp. I haven't noticed it since I switched
to my new provider.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:56:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1966 Delta 88

On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, Mary Hamilton wrote:
> I am contemplating buying a 1966 Oldsmobile Delta 88 two door hardtop.  
> The car has a 425 in it, four wheel drum brakes, console shifted
> automatic with a cool looking tach on the front of the console.

After seeing these in Lansing last week, I have to tell you... you should 
buy this car if it is in any kind of shape and the price is right. 
Especially since it has buckets and console. The 425 is a great motor and 
these are cars that are made the way R.E. Olds intended... ;-) They look 
great too and this was one of the high points of GM dominance in design. 

> My current vehicle is a 1994 GMC truck, but I would like something
> unique to drive for a change..

Daily driver? Possibly... but be prepared for a culture shock. Make sure 
it's in good shape to avoid expensive repairs once you press it into 
daily service.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:58:23 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Rear End Help

> 	I have a stock 2.73 rear in my '81 Delta 307, don't know if or not it is
> posi, and honestly don't even know what posi is.  I would like to pull a
> rear end of a similar or same car. I need to know what rear end and
> gears would work and how I could ID the gears.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88 307
> 1995 Intrepid 3.3
> 1976 Delta 88 455

I got a 8.5" posi out of a late '70s Custom Cruiser. I think it has 2.94
gears or some strange ratio like that. You might try mid '70 and newer GM
fullsize wagons. I would suggest getting the whole rear and swapping the
whole thing instead of the gears. 

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:13:23 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: A/G Body rear ends?

> A friend of mine just old me that the 67 and older A-Body cars
("intermediate"
> cars) rear end will bolt in my 85 Cutlass with minor love taps to the
upper
> trailing arms. 
> Can anyone confirm this and if anyone has a 67 and older A-Body, 
> Thanks!
> Thomas Martin 
> 85 Cutlass Supreme 307

I got a friend with an '84 Cutlass that currently has a 12 bolt from a '65
Chevelle and had a '64 Chevelle 10 bolt before that (bearings bit the
dust). If I remember right its 1" wider. The spring perches are moved back
or forward a little(he didn't move them to the correct location). It is a
direct bolt in. He has been using this set up for about 8-9 years with no
problems.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:34:04 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: RE: Build Sheets

>What the heck do they look like?????

Across the top in 48-point Helvetica Bold it says "BUILD SHEET --
TO BE HIDDEN FROM CUSTOMER"  :-)  Okay, it doesn't. Basically it's
a regular 8 1/2" x 11" printout on stationery pre-printed with
various boxes on it, in which assorted codes have been printed
by the computer. Some stuff is highlighted for quick reading; some
is buried in tiny type for recordkeeping or troubleshooting purposes
only. There's no one standard format for the things; obviously they
vary over the years. I've never seen one with a title of _any_ kind
on it, since its only intended audience knew what it was already.

But I think it's safe to say that you'll know it when you see it: 
it's essentially the car's birth certificate and will carry all 
kinds of codes on it pertaining to pretty much everything on the 
car. A sticker reading simply "GT PACKAGE" or "INSPECTED BY #2"
is only a local asssembly marker or subassembly inspection sticker.

>Two weeks ago when I had the doors torn
>apart on my car, I found a piece of paper that was glued(?) to the inside of
>the door panel.  It was approx 4"x6" with the words "High Output Quad442
>package" on it.  I assumed that this was related to the door panel only.

I would agree. When they're pulling stuff out of boxes and hanging them
on the line, they need to identify the right components _fast_, and so
they'll use big, no-nonsense labeling. What you have is a component tag.

>Please tell me that wasn't the build sheet and I don't need to tear my door
>apart again to get it!!!!

*ahem*

"THAT WASN'T THE BUILD SHEET AND YOU DON'T NEED TO TEAR YOUR DOOR APART
AGAIN TO GET IT!!!!"

FWIW, the Sunbird I mentioned with the build sheet in the driver's door
was built Feb. 6, 1986 at the Lordstown, Ohio plant. But I imagine the
location for hiding the build sheet varies from one line worker to the
next, one model to the next, and so on. They did whatever was easiest.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:22:34 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: W-455 intake question

>(did I read that correctly? $850?  that came with an engine and trans
>right? :-)  ))

Nope just the manifold.  In lansing, aluminum W-455 intakes ranged anywhere 
from $800. - $950.!  Fortunately, mine came with my car.  :)

really insane huh?

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:41:04 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing, vendors cards

 Bill,

GH
thank yoiu very much.  I can just copy them out of there.  Of course a
listing w/a comment or 2 about their specialty would suffice.  Anything
about quality & pricing would also be helpful if you had any information
like that.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>>
>>  Speaking of someone's vendor card, would it be possible to get some
>> postings of vendors from those who were in Lansing.  this could be a
>> wonderful resource for all of us in our eternal search for that part or
>> service.  It could also add to Bryceman's listings.
>>
>> Bill Culp
>> Decatur, Alabama

>I've collected about 9 business cards from various vendors that had NICE
>stuff you guys could probably use. As soon as my eyes are open past the
>half-way point, I'll scan them as one image and post it to the LANSING
>selection on the site below.
>--
>
>Bill !

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:55:02 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Test, don't read

Testing from work.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 16:59:55 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Got whooped!

> Hi all,
> 
> Yesterday I was beaten pretty badly by a toyota supra, 1980's vintange.
> Of course I was driving the 82 DRB.  
> Chris Sparks

I wouldn't feel to bad if I was you. About a week ago I was sitting at a
stop light next to a Festiva. I was in a hurry and floored it when the
light turned green and the Festiva pulled away from and was about 5' in
front of my by the time I got up to 40. And people wonder why I don't like
Chevy power. 

Daren 
'89 GMC C1500 ready to race a 10 speed.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:56:20 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: W-455 intake part II

On Sun, 24 Aug 1997, "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com> wrote:
>RC it is impossible for the hose to connect from the carb back to the
>intake.....it would no do anything!  Pcv is suppost to suck the blowby
>out of the crank case. Unless this fitting is not in the runners of the
>intake. If it is not you can try to drill it out but keep in mind that
>if it is not in the runners of the intake any fillings will go directly
>into the crankcase and to the oil pump. If you have the nerve go ahead,
>I don't . Good luck. Terry
>
>Terry Teague
>68 Delta Custom
________________________________________________________________________

Just to clear up any mis-understandings, mine main post was to 
substantiate what I "thought" I already knew.  I checked and doubled 
checked all my manuals for the proper vacuum configuration.  I just 
wanted conformation, (an OK "pat on the head"), from someone before I 
started yanking out plugs on that over-priced aluminum intake.  Hard for 
me to believe it, but I'm developing patience in my old age!  :)

Thanks to everyone that responded, especially Mike Rothe!  As soon as I 
find a 1/2" tap-in hose nipple, I'm in business!  :)

As I've said before, this list is a God-send!  The things I've learned 
since June are incredible.  So far, any question or problem I encounter 
is usually "correctly" resolved within hours!  (leaving more time to 
drive instead of fix)

An upcoming vacation will force me to "unsubscribe", but i'll return!  
While in Arizona, I'm going to "scout-out" the local junkyards.  Might 
just find something worth while.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.    

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:24:47 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Thanks for tire info

>      Use this formula to figure tire section width (the widest part of
> the tire, not necessarily the tread width)  and overall height:
> ((section width in MM x .039) X (aspect ratio) X2) + rim diameter
> 
> examples P23570R14     9.165 wide  26.83 tall
>                 P23560R14     9.165 wide  24.99 tall
>                 P24560R14     9.555 wide  25.47 tall 
>                 P24560R15     9.555 wide  26.47 tall
I use a formula like this but this will give you a general idea as to the
size. I think it was last months Hot Rod had an article on tires and showed
two tires that were the same size but different manufactures and there was
about 3/4" difference in width. So it pays to do some homework and find out
what the actual size is from the manufacture.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:39:33 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Lansing Video:  Anyone Interested?

> Okay guys and ladies,
>           I may be taking on more work than I can handle, 
> Doug Newman     dnewman@wcbi.com
I was thinking of doing the same but have the same reservations you do. I
think I got about 6-7 hours worth of taping got the parade, motorcade, R.E.
Olds museum, Future of Olds exhibit and most of the cars there. I just got
the video camera and this is the first time I actually used it so my taping
skills aren't the greatest. I plan on coping it to a vhs tape and editing
out non olds and bad footage. I'll post later tonight or tomorrow morning
how it turns out and how long it is.

Daren

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:44:09 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Listen to my Rocket!

Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it plays?
I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.

http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif

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1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:43:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Build Sheets

the build sheet can be located on virtually any part of the car.  when i was
working on my exhaust on my '73 cutlass i had to talk off the gas tank, and
there i found the build sheet.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:46:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: CarrDuff@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1998 Olds Nationals

The 1998 Olds Nationals are being held in Springfield Ill. over July 15th
thru July 18th.
The Event is being held @ the Crowne Plaza ((217) 529-7777 and the Holiday
Inn (516) 529-7171.

The Sponser OCA Club is   ( mmmmmm... I forget ), but, the contact is
                               Bill & Joann Wagman
                                     816 13th St. 
                                 Rockford Ill  61104
                                    (815) 398-6698

This can be confimed on the OCA home page.

I won't miss this on (as I did Lansing)  I have made my reservations already
& hope to have my 71 442 W30 Conv. completed by then.

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
    71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:03:20 -0400
From: "Steve B." <steveb@thecia.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I was just reading "Guide to GM Muscle Cars" by HPBooks and I was
> comparing two Chubbys to my favorite 68 H/O.
> 
> Here is what I saw:
> 
> Car            CID/MHP  0-60  1/4mph  1/4   lbs
> 1968 Nova SS   396/375  5.9   101.1   14.5  2850
> 1970 Chevelle/
>      Malibu    454/450  n/a   108.17  13.44 3307
> 1968 H/O       455/390  6.5   108.17  12.97 3603
> 
> It is amazing that a car as heavy as the H/O could move so fast!
> It is also amazing that it, even with it HP rating, did the 1/4
> faster than the Chubbelle Malipoo.  Just amazing.
> 
> Chris Sparks

Well....Is the H/O really faster than the "Chubbelle Malipoo"??? I don't
think so, look at the trap speeds there identical...I think the driver
of the H/O did a better job getting it off the line...Not to take
anything away from the H/O, it did get a better time! ;-)

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:25:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Re: HEI

Mike, Thanks alot. Also I was wondering on the 70 442 with w-30 how many
differant transmissions were available?

Jamie

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:42:40 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '68 H/O (fwd)

At 04:35 PM 8/25/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi all, 
>
>I was just reading "Guide to GM Muscle Cars" by HPBooks and I was 
>comparing two Chubbys to my favorite 68 H/O.
>
>Here is what I saw:
>
>Car            CID/MHP  0-60  1/4mph  1/4   lbs
>1968 Nova SS   396/375  5.9   101.1   14.5  2850
>1970 Chevelle/
>     Malibu    454/450  n/a   108.17  13.44 3307
>1968 H/O       455/390  6.5   108.17  12.97 3603
>
>It is amazing that a car as heavy as the H/O could move so fast!
>It is also amazing that it, even with it HP rating, did the 1/4
>faster than the Chubbelle Malipoo.  Just amazing.

That 68 H/O is a ringer, the real production ones were not that fast. The
Chevelle was faster I would guess. 

____________________________________________
Jason Labay - Quality Engineer - TRW Automotive Group
z28cfi@gwis.com  Akron, OH
95 DCM Impala SS.....daily driver..1/4 times  to  come
80 Olds 442 W-30.......show car...2nd place '97 Olds Nats.
75 Hurst/Olds W-25...restoration project

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:08:11 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Listen to my Rocket!

Could some of you guys try this link, let it load, and see if it plays?
I don't yet have the correct software to make sure it works.

http://edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu/~ccremean/car_drive.aif

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Didn't work for me. I got a "Internet Explorer cannot play this sound. The
associated program does not recognize the format. The file might be
damaged" error.

Daren 

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:03:41 -0700
From: Erik Nowacki <enowacki@titan.com>
Subject: Re: Back from Lansing

 Mick,

	There are two pipes in that general location.  There is the heat stove
that routes air past the hot exhaust manifold into the air cleaner to
improve cold weather driveability.  Then there is a short pipe from the
passenger side valve cover (at least on my VC w/ 455) into the air cleaner,
which supplies the PCV with clean air.  The PCV port on the carb. sucks air
through the crank case through the drivers side valve cover.  That air
enters the engine from the tube between the air cleaner and the passenger
side valve cover.

	The PCV tube between the valve cover and the air cleaner is a small and
black, so I doubt you would be able to see it bounce down the road through
your rear view mirror.  Most likely, you lost the heat stove which is no
big deal unless you drive alot in cold weather climates.  Here in
California it is considered part of the emissions controls so you need one
to pass the smog test.

	I hope I have clarified, atleast somewhat, this issue.

Erik Nowacki
San Diego
72 Vista Cruiser


>Few of
>>the 350's I looked at in Lansing still had this pipe on the engine and the
>>car suddenly seemed to run better when it was gone.
>>Do I need this pipe? Should I block the hole in the manifold? Does a plug
>>exist for this purpose?
>>I don't drive the car in the winter.
>>I recall that someone else was looking for the teardrop shaped antenna hold
>>down. If you still need it, I picked up a spare at the Swapmeet.
>>
>>Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana

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