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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, October 2 1997      Volume 01 : Number 881



Re: TPI fro Olds?
wierd wiring problems on 80 442
Re: Color Codes --- 53/53?
Re: Olds Movies
14" big-bolt pattern wheels
wheel housing's
Re: Slow night?
Re: new modine radiator
Re: Turn signals & Heads
Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question
More "Terrifying Toronado"
Re: Chicago video
Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question
'78 Delta Heater Core
Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: Ford tools?
Re: IDEA: Place to talk real time
Mike Blankenship
Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...
Re:       Re: Olds Music
Re: hot rod 307
RE: radio install
Re: Slow night?
Re: wierd wiring problems on 80 442
Re: It was a good day
NEED info on custom exhaust...
RE: radio install
Re: radio install
Re: NEED info on custom exhaust...
Re:TPI for Olds
Re: TPI for Olds
77 Production Numbers
Also have Blinker problems
Re: W Machines
RE: MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: 425 distributor
Posi unit availability?
Re: TPI for Olds
Re: W Machines
Re: W Machines
Re: Posi unit availability?
Re: Olds factory TPI
Re:  MY OLDS WON!!!!
Re: W Machines
Re: W Machines
Re: W Machines
engine swapping
Re: W Machines
Plastic Dash Chrome
RE: W Machines
Re: W Machines
Re: Plastic Dash Chrome
W-machines

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:02:22 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: TPI fro Olds?

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:
>
> About the Olds factory FI system, could someone describe the manifold in
> detail for me? Is it just a regular carb type manifold modified with
> injector bosses near the heads?

Well I just went out and had a look at my manifold to refresh my memory
some.  It's probably a dedicated EFI manifold.  It has no heat riser and
it looks to be a special casting to accomodate the fuel injectors.  It's
single plane and has 4 wide individual runners, each feeding two intake
ports.  The runners form a kind of "X" shape.  It looks somewhat like an
Edelbrock Torker II manifold.  It has 8 fuel injectors, 2 are mounted at
the end of each runner, each injector feeds an individual intake port.
There's a copper-looking fuel rail that feeds all the injectors.  The
injectors look pretty standard issue, nothing special.  I would bet that
c*maro or m*stang injectors would  fit in their place if they needed
upgrading.  I understand that there were some aluminum EFI manifolds
produced.

>Is it a 2bbl or 4bbl design?

The throttle body is a 2bbl.  I've never taken my caliper and measured
but they look to be the same diameter as the secondaries on a
Quadrajet.  It probably flows as well as a regular q-jet even though
it's not a 4-bbl.  It doesn't have booster venturies or any other
obstructions like a carb has, and there's more room for air since the
gas mixture isn't trying to flow through it too.  The only obstruction
is the throttle butterfly.
>Are the
> intake holes smaller than a regular manifold?

The hole that the throttle body mounts over is bigger than most 2bbls
and smaller than a 4bbl.  The ports that mate to the head are about 1.25
inch by 1.9 inch.

> Anything special about the
> throttle body? It is just an adaptor for the air cleaner? What about an
> ID and casting number? Thanks!

Um, the throttle body is not just an adaptor for the aircleaner, it uses
throttle blades to regulate air flow into the engine just like a carb
would.  It also houses the fast idle valve and a Bosch throttle positon
sensor.  It also has a buncha vacuum connections for the usual
accesories; vacuum advance, power brakes, PCV, etc.  It takes a standard
4-bbl air cleaner but it has a spacer so that the air cleaner will clear
the HEI and the fuel rail.

Can't help with casting ªs and such.  Wouldn't know whenre to begin to
look for them or figure out what they mean.

If ya need to know more just say so.  I'll help if I can.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:07:09 -0400
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Subject: wierd wiring problems on 80 442

Well my 80 442 is at it again. I got the taillight problem fixed and it has
been fine. Well now the past coupe of days the guages on the dash have a
mind of their own and when I hit a bump in the road they will change
readings and the dash lights go dim. I hit the dash with my palm and the
guage readings go back to normal and the dash lights get brighter. Does
this sound like bad grounds in the dash? The car did have an alarm wired in
it 10 or so years ago, but it no longer had it when I bought it.  The car
has no ECM/computer controls if that makes a difference.  Also when I turn
the turnsignals on the gas guage moves slightly back and forth with each
blink from the blinker, this has gotten worse over the past few days.... I
am lost as to what it is now. Any advice appreciated. Thank You.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:08:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Color Codes --- 53/53?

In a message dated 97-10-01 20:55:49 EDT, you write:

<< shows 53 as Saturn Gold as a special intermediate color.  55 is Galleon
Gold,
 not available on the intermediates.  Is there any consensus on "53" yet? I'd

 like to find out the name of that mix for '72.

 Fred Orcutt
 72 VC
 69 D88 >>
53 code for 69 year is Nassau Blue Poly
53 code for 70 year is Nugget Gold Poly
53 code for 71 year is Saturn Gold Poly
53 code for 72  year is Saturn Gold Poly
53 was dropped for 73
53 code for 74 year is Omega Gold Poly
53 code then was dropped until at least 1978

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
Two 72 442 W-30 hardtops, one 4spd, one auto
only 772 made

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 00:19:08 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Movies

Mike Rothe wrote:
>
> DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > The movie Milk Money had an olds cutlass. I think that it was blue. I don't
> > remember the year. I think it was a 69 or 70.
>
> 1972 Cutlass Convertible.  Beauty.
>
> Mike Rothe

Yes, Mike it was a beautiful convertible until the train hit it.  I know
Hollywood doesn't care about things like this, but it almost made me cry
to see it destroyed like that.  I hate watching sad movies with unhappy
endings.  I would kill if my car looked that good.

Don Sowers

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:26:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 14" big-bolt pattern wheels

From: Ted Loranz <tloranz@acumeter.com>
Subject: 63 Starfire original wheels

Does anyone know where I can find (4) original 14" X 6" wheels with a 5
bolt pattern on a 5" bolt circle to fit my 63 Starfire? I have the
original spinner wheel covers but can't install them because the
previous owner of the car put 15" wheels on.

Ted Loranz

============
Yes, I have some of those. Our 68 98 had 14" bbp wheels. The 65 SFire parts car
probably does too. Contact me as per below to discuss it.


- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 00:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Panman638@aol.com
Subject: wheel housing's

What is anybody's comments or recommendations on replacing wheel housings. I
want to cut half the outer houseing and weld it to the remaining half. I do
not want to cut the weld where the outer and inner housings come together.
The left side of the car will get a new Quarter panel but the right side will
not. Can I do this?

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:31:20 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Slow night?

Mike said:

>>So now's my chance to bore you with what I've been up to concerning
>>Oldsmobiles.  Someone asked me why I never discussed my own projects, so
>>I'll take a little time out here for a synopsis.  I'm not doing anything
>>90% of everyone else is doing on this list.  So I just don't think it's
>>that important I write about it.  Family problems has taken a toll on me
>>this last couple of weeks, but I won't go into that.

Sorry to hear about the problems; hope it all sorts out. I for one like to
hear what other people are doing with their cars, even if it's just an
unsolicited reflection that doesn't directly address someone's question,
because it brings up things that I've never thought of before, provides lots
of material that's filed away for future use, and just in general helps me
know that I'm not alone out here doing this (which, aside from my contact
with Everett, is how it feels; not too many Dominican priests here at PC
pulling motors these days...)

>> First- 69 H/O restoration.  Slow.  As usual.  I know...been there, done
>> that.  Cash flow stemming production.  I hate that.  Wife's on my tail
>> about why I just HAVE to order $30 worth of exhaust hanger/fender brace
>> rubber material.  She just doesn't understand.  Don't expect her to.
>> Got the entire front clip/engine/tranny gone.  A few broken bolts, but
>> it's outta there.  Next is all the outside trim, exhaust, then to the
>> inside to rip out the entire interior.  Rip out....I mean, remove.  Then
>> onto lifting the body from the frame.  I've got mirror gaskets being
>> repro'd by Metro, and tomorrow I'm getting back in touch with
>> Demmer.....should have the "unveiling" of the NEW Firefrost formula
>> then.

Wow, Mike, I'm glad someone has the time/money/energy/garage space (or at
least is deluded into thinking he has it) to do a full frame-off; more power
to ya! It's definitely worth it for an H/O. I've become more of a resto-guy
lately, but I'm kinda glad my SX is so far gone, and common enough, that a
frame-off doesn't enter the picture, because I'd be tempted if it were an
H/O or W-car.

Then Chris chimes in...

>Sorry to hear about the "wife just doesn't understand" thing.  I've been
>lucky in that the wife doesn't mind (in fact, sometimes she "sends" me to the
>garage, kinda like "get outta my hair" thing).  I didn't have a nearby garage
>(was using my father-in-law's which was 5 min. from home), and that meant I
>wasn't nearby either.  We've got a new place which has a garage (not big
>enough already, but ya know how that goes...).  Now she really doesn't mind.
> The other part of the deal is that she gets things for the house (and I
>usually install them...), and she lets me "play" with the toys (the cars,
>motorcycle, etc.....).

Sounds like you're really blessed. I feel bad for my wife (if you read my SX
saga, you would too!), since she's in her last month of pregnancy, and our
3-year old daughter is a handful, so anytime I'm doing something on the SX,
I not only _feel_ like I'm shirking responsibility, but I am positively
CERTAIN that my time would be better spent elsewhere. Of course my wife
won't hesistate pointing this out to me; she's not a car enthusiast, though
she can appreciate a good-looking car, so she won't get interested in
actually working on the car with me, and she won't give a car the time of
day if it doesn't have a pretty paint job. Hence, our SX is merely
"tolerated", given its tri-tone paint job (faded yellow, primer gray, and
surface rust).

>My problem comes from my father.... ugghhh.. I'm 27 for god's sake..., but he
>can't see any reason why I'm "making a hot rod" out of the '81 Cutlass, or
>why I need the 455 it's getting.  This is from a guy that, as much as I've
>known, likes "muscle cars", and customs, etc... but I guess since it's me,
>not someone else, it's not good.  I tell him I enjoy doing this stuff, and
>like to "mess, and tinker", but hey, whaddya expect...  Is he old?  No,
>unless 47 is considered so...  at one time he did all the work on his cars,
>now he hardly touches them at all, sends them to get fixed...  I grew up
>learning how to fix (my) cars, and did it with help/guidance, etc. from my
>father.  It was enjoyable, and I've learned lots, but now it seems I'm the
>person who "knows" cars, and he asks me about things.

Heh... it shows that I'm adopted, as my father has NO interest in cars.
Actually, that's not true; for the past dozen years, he's been *very*
interested in me getting the SX out of the driveway, so he can retire and
sell the house (something about it being tough to turn a stripped shell of a
car covered with a tarp into a "selling point", and talk about people being
reluctant to sign a purchase agreement with a clause that involves allowing
the former owner's son to come and work on his car in their driveway...).
Oh, well, it's your car, and your wife's problem; at least you had his
guidance in learning about cars in the first place; that's something I miss.

>Oh well, just my "ramblings"....  Least my wife doesn't mind....

Then consider yourself blessed, since she's the one who has to put up with
your obsession^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H hobby.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:40:26 -0700
From: Stan Drahos <sdrahos@gte.net>
Subject: Re: new modine radiator

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> >   Maybe we should talk, I pulled the radiator from my '80 Toronado
> >Diesel a month ago.  It has the same cooler lines you mentioned.
> >Blow-by got the best of it 5 years ago, I just sent it to the scrap
> >yard.  I had bought a gas 350 to put into it but in the mean time they
> >started checking emissions here.  I knew it wouldn't pass that so I gave
> >up.
>
> Stan,
>
> Just one question; do they have a serious visual inspection? Are the
> diesels even subject to inspection? That's one major advantage to a gas
> conversion of a diesel car; the diesel engine code in the VIN usually
> exempts such cars from any emissions inspections, so they never actually
> get around to asking whether that engine is still running on diesel or not.

Robert,
Your thought on the subject is a good point, however this year they did
start diesel emission testing here.  With that, and the new neighbors
moving van backing into the rear quarter I decided to get rid of it.
Thanks,
Stan

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:31:15 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Turn signals & Heads

>   Are KA heads any good. I have a set on the 455 in the car now and I
>want to know if I should look for something else.

They are very good; big valves, hardened exhaust seats, listed as "service
replacements" for the W-30 heads. Might be missing the blocked heat riser
passage.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:31:17 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question

>Secondly once i installed charged battery and new alternator and tried
>starting car the fuel guage needle passed "E" then 1/2 then "F" and finally
>stopped way past where it should be. the fuel tank for a  fact has less than
>a quater tank of gas. What causes This to happen??  Thanks for listening!!!

Hmmm. I had a GM car that did this occasionally. Since the fuel sender is
basically a variable resistor, with a range from 0 ohms (empty) to 90 ohms
(full), the gas guage itself is basically an ohmmeter; the fact that it
shoots for the moon means that it's seeing infinite resistance, so you might
have a broken wire from the sender to the guage, or the ground strap from
the tank sender to the body/frame might be loose/broken/corroded. But why it
would do this right after the other electrical problems is a mystery to me.

In a related note, how would you test a fuel-tank sending unit? I tried to
measure the resistance of the two senders I was working with when switching
tanks, but I couldn't determine whether the readings I was getting with the
multimeter were good or not. Once showed constant resistance, with a sudden
jump when the float was at full empty, while the other restistered a
constant resistance, but with very little variation, which did not seem
related to the float level. I put the second one in the tank (it was the one
from the original tank), and it's working fine, but I'd like to be able to
test for a good one out of the car. Any advice?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 00:58:29 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: More "Terrifying Toronado"

Dr. Bob asked:

Well, it's not a very big picture, but it is the only one I've seen...of John
Smyser's "Terrifying Toronado", sponsored by Grant Products (the steering wheel
people) and Spooner's Automotive of Glendora (CA?).

     Work has kept me from responding sooner, but here's a little more
     info.  I have an Oldsmobile book by Marty Schorr which appears to be a
     collection of articles from the old CARS magazine, one of which
     details the aforementioned Terrifying Toro.  Unfortunately, the book
     is at home in VA and I'm here at Vandenberg AFB in California for the
     next two weeks, so I'll be going from memory until I get back home.

     The car had a pair of 425s, the front one in the stock position
     driving the front wheels and the back one driving the rear wheels.
     Both engines used Enderle bug-catcher type injectors, but only the
     front engine had a 6-71 supercharger - the rear engine was not
     supercharged (go figure).  I seem to recall that the rear engine did
     not use the Toro trans, but some other arrangement instead.  I'll try
     to post additional info when I get back home.

     Note that Grant also built a twin-engined _street_ Toro, again with
     two 425s, but this time with both using Toro drive units.  The street
     car apparently had a sophisticated control system which allowed the
     use of either just the front engine or both engines, including
     automatic controls for synchronizing the throttles, shifters, etc,
     depending of whether the rear engine was running or not.  there were
     two ignition switches and a special gauge pack for the rear engine.  I
     seem to recall something about the rear engine and trans being turned
     around and the rear panel between the taillights was replaced with a
     metal mesh grille for cooling.

     As I said, I'll try to post more info when I get home.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 97 01:57:15 -0500
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Chicago video

The good doctor Witt commented:

I recall that video, vaguely... didn't they drive the car into the water at the
end?

     Something like that.  I recall getting very p*ssed the first time I
     saw it over having to trash the car.  The second time I saw it, it
     seemed pretty obvious to me that the stunt car was a 68 hardtop with
     the roof cut off - not the same 68 convert featured in the closeups.
     We can only hope that it wasn't a real 442...

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 05:31:17 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Fuel guage past full mark & 90 amp altenator question

>Secondly once i installed charged battery and new alternator and tried
>starting car the fuel guage needle passed "E" then 1/2 then "F" and finally
>stopped way past where it should be. the fuel tank for a  fact has less than
>a quater tank of gas. What causes This to happen??  Thanks for listening!!!

Hmmm. I had a GM car that did this occasionally. Since the fuel sender is
basically a variable resistor, with a range from 0 ohms (empty) to 90 ohms
(full), the gas guage itself is basically an ohmmeter; the fact that it
shoots for the moon means that it's seeing infinite resistance, so you might
have a broken wire from the sender to the guage, or the ground strap from
the tank sender to the body/frame might be loose/broken/corroded. But why it
would do this right after the other electrical problems is a mystery to me.

In a related note, how would you test a fuel-tank sending unit? I tried to
measure the resistance of the two senders I was working with when switching
tanks, but I couldn't determine whether the readings I was getting with the
multimeter were good or not. Once showed constant resistance, with a sudden
jump when the float was at full empty, while the other restistered a
constant resistance, but with very little variation, which did not seem
related to the float level. I put the second one in the tank (it was the one
from the original tank), and it's working fine, but I'd like to be able to
test for a good one out of the car. Any advice?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 06:41:55 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '78 Delta Heater Core

Well, my perfect record remains intact... I have yet to purchase an old
car that didn't require me to replace the heater core within a very short
time, and it looks like the Delta's core let go yesterday. That lovely
damp-sweet odor when I turned on the defroster, and some persistent
fogging. Shoot! :(

I looked in the service manual, and the process looks easier than on the
Cutlass, since it appears you don't need to remove the inner fender.
Anyone who's done this have any tips for me? The car is non-A/C, which
should make it easier I hope... having done it on the A-bodies, I figure
this one should be a snap by comparison!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 06:26:20 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: MY OLDS WON!!!!

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WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
>
> Well thanks to the Olds list and digest and a few friends, I have won the
> first round of the MCC run-off.  The big one comes in December when they
> pair 18 cars against each other.  I would like to Thank everyone full heartly
> for your support of my 72 W-30.  So now we will have to give other Oldsmobile
> cars the same support.  Unfortunately this week there is no oldsmobiles to
> vote
> for :(   So I will keep everyone posted and BTW  I am off to the track again
> this
> Friday, and hope to achieve a time faster than my 12.18.  I have done a
> little
> modifying to the carb, jet change and metering rod change.  We will see how
> fast
> she goes.  Mike Hall will be there and so will Mark Cornea and hopefully
> Gary Rubrich.  And anybody else in the metro Detroit area who would like to
> join
> the Olds racing at Detroit Dragway, come on down for the Test and Tune
> session.
> It starts at 5:00 and runs till 10:00 pm on Friday, October 3rd, 1997
>
> W MACHINES  (Mark Prince)
> 72 442 W-30 Race Rocket


Congratulations Mark!! I new with all the support here on the list that
you would win! Good job people!!

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              (drdecal442@aol.com) or (mcornea@.ford.com)

            OCAª 4903
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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:51:26 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Ford tools?

>[[but, of COURSE!. The most fun was opening the oil pan... with an ax. In fact
I disposed of an entire Fiat 128 using only an ax. Cut right thru that cheesy
metal...>

LOLOLOLOL! :)


<Wise man say, "When only tool available is hammer, all problem look like
nail!">

ROTFL!!! :~)  I'm gonna have to "steal" that one from ya!  This will surely
bring some comfort to my overteased, rustang ford buddy.  LOL.  :)

RC (eyes teared-up from laughing) Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:55:31 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: IDEA: Place to talk real time

<IRC server (Internet Relay Chat, just a thing to chat on) and he'd be happy
to host an Oldsmobile channel>


I welcome this idea!  It would take away that "e-mail delay" and speed up
the Ques. & Ans. for sure!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:37:24 -0400
From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Subject: Mike Blankenship

Im here I am always here! Are you talking about the Rallye 350? I have the
owner of the car in my office today.  There is a special price on that
vehicle today and today only. This is the first time this vehicle has been
offered in his 8 years of ownership.

Mike
66 442
70 442
70 442 W30
71 442 Convt

______________________________________________________________________________


Mike Blankenship e-mailed me about a car being for sale. I asked him for the
number and he never replied. I haven't seen his name on the list lately. Does
anyone know his address and why he hasn't been on the list lately? I really
need to ask him a question!

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 20:59:39 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: "Gold"en Opportunity...

>Remember last year how I gave all of you an entire history of the color
>Yellow as used by Oldsmobile?  >Well, maybe I could do that again with
the color Gold?>


Since my car is "Saturn Gold", I'd say I would be interested.  Not sure
what you mean by "history", but what the hell, I'm always ready to learn
something.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 (Saturn Gold) 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 02:58:36 -0700
From: "koji" <koji@prostar.com>
Subject: Re:       Re: Olds Music

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From: Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician <KRUMWIEDE@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: Sunday, September 28, 1997 7:38 AM
Subject:  Re: Olds Music

Every time I hear Sammy Hagar "I can't drive 55" on the radio, I
usually turn my radar detector up as loud as it can go to hopefully
hear it over the steroe,....and engine comming to life roar as I
watch my spedometer get higher and higher and higher.....:)


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>
>
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:10:52 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: hot rod 307

Look way down on the list, made some suggestions on a 307 the other
day, with after market parts, if you cant find it, I will re-forward
the email to you.


> Does any one have any suggestions besides going with a bigger motor.  I
> would like to do this with the 307 if possible.
> Thanks in advance.
> Clarence
> '86 Cutlass 4dr 307
> ===============
> Well, as you do this it makes it less & less streetable... Big-port heads,
> raise the compression, freeflow exhaust, cam & lifters, intake, gears... all
> the tried & true tricks.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:33:57 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: radio install

On Wednesday, October 01, 1997 10:55 PM, Mike Rothe
[SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net] wrote:
> Douglas J Harkema wrote:
> >
> > I just got an am radio and am wondering how it is wired.  I know the
orange
> > wire is the hot one.  I also have a yellow wire w/ a clip.  Is this
the ground?
> > The speaker wires do not have the clips on them any more.  There is
also a wire
> > off the side of the radio is this for the rear speaker?  It is a
1970 radio
> > being put into a 70 conv't.  Also how was the radio origianlly
supported?
> >
> Hmmmmm......Yellow wire to the driver's side rear of the unit is the
> power wire.  The extra wire on the passenger side is the rear speaker
> lead wire, and the (I believe blue and black) wires next to the yellow
> power wire goes to the front in-dash speaker.
>
> There is a 'dog-leg' bracket that goes from the metal dash frame up to
> the passenger side of the radio.  But before that, a plastic/nylon
strap
> goes on the bracket stud.  This strap is bolted to the backside of the
> dash pad.  Not just anywhere, but there is a place that it goes.  Just
> don't remember where.
>
> Mike Rothe

There is also a dial lamp wire also. It may be a gray wire connected
directly to the light and is controlled by the dash lights. The real
sneaker should be a blue wire also if it has one.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 21:58:47 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Slow night?

Hi Mike,

Hope things work themselves out ok. (they will believe it or not)  It was
great hearing about your projects! {{RC hints for more details and
stories in the future}}.  :)

I bought my car all restored, so since I'm one of those sissy "clean
finger-nailed boys", I can only imagine the frustration, time and money
involved with doing a frame off.  This must be quite an undertaking for
anyone, especially having more than one project as in your case.



>So now's my chance to bore you with what I've been up to concerning
Oldsmobiles.>

Hardly!  Bore us some more!  This is why most of us are here.  It's part
of the fun!


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:46:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: senko@reston.ans.net (Andrew A. Senko)
Subject: Re: wierd wiring problems on 80 442

> Well my 80 442 is at it again. I got the taillight problem fixed and it has
> been fine. Well now the past coupe of days the guages on the dash have a
> mind of their own and when I hit a bump in the road they will change
> readings and the dash lights go dim. I hit the dash with my palm and the
> guage readings go back to normal and the dash lights get brighter.


Jason,

You have an obscure problem called Fonzie Syndrome.  It comes from watching
too many episodes of Happy Days.  Can you also make a jukebox play a song
by hitting it with your hand?   ;-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.
- --
Drew

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Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 22:06:29 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: It was a good day

<First I blead the convertible pump motor and it runs as smooth as silk.
Wouldn't make it up, Had no problems going down>


Hey Doug,  when you tried to put the top up, did it stop as if you blew a
fuse? (but it doesn't actually)  Mine does this.  I have to wait about 20
seconds each time it stops before the motor will work again.  Each time I try
to put the top up, this "pause" happens about three times before the top makes
it all the way up.

I already checked the fluid level, it's ok

Any thoughts appreciated...

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 09:48:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: Frank Iezzi <fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: NEED info on custom exhaust...

Hello gang,
I will be needing an exhaust system on my 1969 Cutlass with dual exhaust
(and 442 bumper)  Any ideas, hints, stay-away-froms, etc??

I was looking at the Dynomax Ultraflo Stainless Steel Mufflers

Does anyone make a mandrel-bent 2 1/4" tailpipe (Stainless??/Aluminized)
for the 69 442??

Please help me out. Reply to me personally at

fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us

as I don't get to read all of the Olds digests...

Thanks again
Frank Iezzi
Columbus OH
69 Cutlass (w/442 bumper & hopefully new exhaust soooon!)

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:05:03 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: radio install

On Thursday, October 02, 1997 9:34 AM, Etzel, Bobby

> There is also a dial lamp wire also. It may be a gray wire connected
> directly to the light and is controlled by the dash lights. The real
> sneaker ...........................

> Bobby
>
> 70 442 Escape Back to the..... Past

Oops that should be "rear speaker". I don't know how that "sneaked" in
there.   :-)

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 07:21:41 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: radio install

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> > directly to the light and is controlled by the dash lights. The real
> > sneaker ...........................
>
> Oops that should be "rear speaker". I don't know how that "sneaked" in
> there.   :-)

I shoe-d have guessed!  :-)

Chris Sparks

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 09:31:01 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: NEED info on custom exhaust...

Frank,
I had 2 1/4" alumunized pipes custom bent and installed on my '70 4-4-2
this spring.  After all summer they still look good.  I butt welded the
trumpets on the pipes which was one slight drawback IMHO.  The trumpets
have the same outside diameter as the pipes.  Had I used 2 1/2" pipe I
probably could have slipped the trumpets inside the pipe and clamped
them.  I saw many cars in Lansing with the trumpets inside the large
pipe.  If you do not want to use trumpets, this is not an issue.  I used
short turbo mufflers and wish I had spent the money for something
better.  But hey, I can hear the radio when driving now.  I think your
choice of pipe material depends upon your finacial status.  I went with
the alumunized pipe for now due to a shortage of funds.  The next time
around I will install stainless and be done with it for a long time.
My entire system, pipes, clamps, and mufflers, from the headers back
cost me $165.00 installed, at a privately owned muffler shop.  I used my
old trumpets which were still useable after 13 years.

My $.02
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

P.S.
Some guys like the 3 inch sewer pipe exhaust for racing.  I open my
headers when racing, so the 2 1/4" works good enough for me when
driving.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 10:44:43 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re:TPI for Olds

Andy,
thanks for the tip.  I will check it out.  That price range is a bit
more acceptable and in line with systems for Che*y or Ford.  That way I
can probably get me a 700 R4 tranny too and my gas mileage should
improve a good bit.
Ingmar Ott

>Ingmar,
>     I have been looking into this also. Found a company called Fuel
>Injection specialties. They said they made one for a 350 Olds. For
>around
>$2200 you get everything, right down to the fuel filter and distrbutor
>and everything is GM parts. Might want to check them out.
>     Their address is: http://www.fuelinjection.com
>Hope this helps,
>
>Andy Geeting
>'87 Cutlass Surpeme
>'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
>'74 Delta 88 convertible
>'78 Caprice wagon
>'36 Plymouth coupe

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:07:21 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Re: TPI for Olds

Any,
I just called teh Fuel Injection Specialists.  They do not have a system
ready to go for a 350 Rocket.  Problem is there is no manifold for it.
He said for about $2200-$2500 I could get all the parts to custom make
myself a system, not Tuned Port (with the long runners) but a Multi-port
system.  If I wanted them to do it all, I'd be looking more in the
$4000+ range.  Of course for a Chevy 350 (or any SB ZZ3, ZZ4, LT1, LT4,
LS1) systems are more or less "bolt on".  Too bad.  Would have been
nice.
Ingmar Ott

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:08:15 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: 77 Production Numbers

Anyone know just how many Cutlasses were made in 1977 with the 442
package?
Ingmar Ott

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:12:15 -0700
From: Ingmar Ott <iao2@cdc.gov>
Subject: Also have Blinker problems

My blinkers also seem to have problems on my 77 442.  First they worked
fine.  Then, they ony worked when the headlight were not also on.  Then
they only worked on the left side.  Finally they quit working all
together.  Now when I step on the brake, the blinker lights come on
(they don't blink though).  I have looked for loose grounds, switched
relays, swapped bulbs...nothing.  Then I had the car in the body shop
for a fender replacement.  When it came back, everything worked
again....but only for a couple of weeks.  Then the same thing happened
as above until now, no blinkers and bulbs light up when I brake.  Any
bright ideas?
Ingmar Ott

"Experience is something you gain just after you need it..."

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 08:18:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: W Machines

- ---DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:

Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's
here  details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many
people on the list have these rare and powerful machines.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have a 70 Cutlass S W31 Holiday Coupe. It's a project car (aren't
they all!) It was originally Sherwood Green with black stripes and
black bucket seat interior with console and dual-gate shifter. It has
the standard 3.91 rear. It has power steering and must have had SSI or
II wheels originally since the trunk has the clips for the jack handle
in the appropriate locations.

===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

65 Delta 88 2 door
66 Toronado Deluxe
69 Cutlass S 2 door
70 Cutlass S W31
70 Cutlass S post
70 Cutlass S 2 door
70 442 W30 conv
71 Cutlass Supreme 2 door
72 442 W30 conv
72 Delta 88 conv
72 Cutlass Supreme conv
86 Cutlass Supreme 2 door


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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 11:41:47 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: MY OLDS WON!!!!

Congrat's Mark, we knew you would win. Bring the next contest on, with
this group we should win that too. Maybe I should enter my car......Hey
we should all enter, but not against each other..

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St.
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: WMACHINES@aol.com[SMTP:WMACHINES@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 1997 7:23 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: MY OLDS WON!!!!
>
> Well thanks to the Olds list and digest and a few friends, I have won
> the
> first round of the MCC run-off.
>

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:03:24 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 425 distributor

the timing bolt should be just right of the distributer on the block.
you
may need a special wrentch to loosten it.
- ----------
You mean that elusive 9/16" wrench?
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:05:21 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Posi unit availability?

I would like to upgrade my 67' 442 to a posi rear end. The rear end in
my car
has a twelve bolt cover, but I'm told that the ring gear is in fact a
8.5"
ten bolt.

Randy at Ring & Pinion tells me the posi units are no longer available
for
this rear end.  Is this true? If so does anyone have a posi with a set
of 3:43 gears they'd like to part with?
- ----------
Hard to come by, but keep looking. Have you considered a set of air bags
- - poor man's anti-spin?
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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:58:44 -0400
From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re: TPI for Olds

At 11:07 AM 10/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Any,
>I just called teh Fuel Injection Specialists.  They do not have a system
>ready to go for a 350 Rocket.  Problem is there is no manifold for it.
>He said for about $2200-$2500 I could get all the parts to custom make
>myself a system, not Tuned Port (with the long runners) but a Multi-port
>system.  If I wanted them to do it all, I'd be looking more in the
>$4000+ range.  Of course for a Chevy 350 (or any SB ZZ3, ZZ4, LT1, LT4,
>LS1) systems are more or less "bolt on".  Too bad.  Would have been
>nice.
>Ingmar Ott
>
Ingmar,
     Sorry, I thought for sure they told me they had one. I guess It's too
much to ask for someone to make some trick parts for an Oldsmobile.
     Boy, that sure does put a damper on my future engine plans!

Sorry again,
Andy Geeting

'87 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'88 Olds Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:18:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machines

In a message dated 97-10-02 11:23:42 EDT, you write:

<< Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's
 here  details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many
 people on the list have these rare and powerful machines.
  >>


I am the partial, soon to be full owner of a 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX with the
rare W-32 package in it.

A little history:  The W-32 had a two year run (1969-1970).  In 69, it  was
an option for the 442 that represented a toned down, "more streetable"
version of the W-30 with a milder cam (286 degree and .472 lift) that could
run power brakes and a standard TH400 transmission.  It was signified by a
decal above the front quarter marker lights.  There were only 272 made in
1969.

In 1970, the honor of carrying the W-32 option was given to the Cutlass
Supreme SX.  It basically put under the hood of the Supreme the engine of a
442 (500 ft/lbs, 365 hp) again with the TH400.   In its second year, however,
the W-32 lost its decal and thus became in the words of Holder & Krunz, an
"unofficial W-32."  This unofficial status is highlighted by the fact that
accurate records were not kept on production figures.  Holder & Krunz are
able to say, however, that "a very small number of W-32 machines were built
in 1970."

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: W Machines

In a message dated 97-10-02 11:23:42 EDT, you write:

<< Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's
 here  details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many
 people on the list have these rare and powerful machines.
  >>


I am the partial, soon to be full owner of a 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX with the
rare W-32 package in it.

A little history:  The W-32 had a two year run (1969-1970).  In 69, it  was
an option for the 442 that represented a toned down, "more streetable"
version of the W-30 with a milder cam (286 degree and .472 lift) that could
run power brakes and a standard TH400 transmission.  It was signified by a
decal above the front quarter marker lights.  There were only 272 made in
1969.

In 1970, the honor of carrying the W-32 option was given to the Cutlass
Supreme SX.  It basically put under the hood of the Supreme the engine of a
442 (500 ft/lbs, 365 hp) again with the TH400.   In its second year, however,
the W-32 lost its decal and thus became in the words of Holder & Krunz, an
"unofficial W-32."  This unofficial status is highlighted by the fact that
accurate records were not kept on production figures.  Holder & Krunz are
able to say, however, that "a very small number of W-32 machines were built
in 1970."

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:27:01 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Posi unit availability?

David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler) wrote:

> I would like to upgrade my 67' 442 to a posi rear end. The rear end in
>
> my car
> has a twelve bolt cover, but I'm told that the ring gear is in fact a
> 8.5"
> ten bolt.
>
> Randy at Ring & Pinion tells me the posi units are no longer available
>
> for
> this rear end.  Is this true? If so does anyone have a posi with a set
>
> of 3:43 gears they'd like to part with?
> ----------
> Hard to come by, but keep looking. Have you considered a set of air
> bags
> - poor man's anti-spin?
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>
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   Dave,


  You're better off installing an entire rear end in your '67.  I
recently swapped rear axles between a '67 and a '65 442 with the only
hitch being the brake lines running to the rears were different
diamters(1/16" difference).  Two adapters later, I was done.  If your
bushings are old though, you'll definetly want to get new ones as
they'll be toast.  Also, WD-40 the crap out of your bleeder nuts so
they'll open when you do the brakes.( I had to do one side by the
line.)  Just my.02.  Later.


 Paul Brillhart

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 11:54:17 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Olds factory TPI

Thanks Greg! Nice description. The intake ID should be between the front
most, right hand runners. In keeping with letter = small block item, it
should be a letter. The casting number will be 4 to 8 digits long and
most likely on the top of the runners or near the intake plenum holes.

A couple of more questions. Does it have EGR and how many bolt holes are
there to attach the throttle body to the intake?
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 12:47:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: BobH592058@aol.com
Subject: Re:  MY OLDS WON!!!!

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: MY OLDS WON!!!!

Congrats to Mark!  And I'm glad I could (legally) vote twice.

OK!

I sent a picture of our '67 W-30 to MCC and got a message back I would I
would "be entered in the contest".

I hope that means that it will posted for this weeks contest.  If so, please
vote for the '67!

Bob Handren (AKA Major Doma)
OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 22:56:34 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: W Machines

>DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello! Let's see how many people on the list have a w machine. Let's here
>> details on your car! I have a 70 w31 and was wondering how many people on 
the
>> list have these rare and powerful machines.not only do I own a W

I am lucky enough to still own my first car. 1970 442 W-30 post coupe with
just 59,000 actual miles.  It has an odd setup.  Bucket seats with no
console and column shift th400!  The car is unrestored all original right
down to the polyglas tires. I even still have the window sticker. The
original price was $4469.  I always grin when I hear a fellow car lover
tell a story about a car that they owned years ago and how they say "I wish
I never sold that one" or "I would give anything to have that car back".
It always makes me feel good knowing that I never got rid of mine!.

I also enjoy my Toro GT W-34. I have had that one about 15 years.

Over the years I have owned every '70 W-machine built. I really enjoyed my
Delta 88 Custom W-33 2-door.  Anyne ever see a '70 Delta -with- boxed rear
lower control arms and a rear sway bar?  pretty cool when the 390 horse 455
would smoke the rear posi through an intersection!  Too bad I borrowed it
to my cousin who hit a greyhound bus with it.  Had to scrap that one.  I
still have the sway bars, posi rear end and the boxed arms, 455, and
special speedo head.  I might just have to make me a W-33 Delta some day.
At least I have all of the goodies for it!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 13:18:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Subject: Re: W Machines

Reply to message from tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us of Thu, 02 Oct
>
>Over the years I have owned every '70 W-machine built. I really enjoyed my
>Delta 88 Custom W-33 2-door.  Anyne ever see a '70 Delta -with- boxed rear
>lower control arms and a rear sway bar?  pretty cool when the 390 horse 455
>would smoke the rear posi through an intersection!  Too bad I borrowed it
>to my cousin who hit a greyhound bus with it.  Had to scrap that one.  I
>still have the sway bars, posi rear end and the boxed arms, 455, and
>special speedo head.  I might just have to make me a W-33 Delta some day.
>At least I have all of the goodies for it!
>
>Tony
>
>70 442 W-30
>70 Toro GT W-34
>65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
>85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
>92 Seville STS
>

   Wow, i didn't know they had that kind of setup for a 1970 88..
this is giving me some ideas for mine *grin* but i'm the man with a million
projects going on so it's taken the back seat, by the way, the 350 in mine
would always light em up, seemed to impress people when and old fullsize
can do something like that, sometimes makes me wonder why people like
ch*vys.

'72 442 in frame off restoration
'87 cutlass supreme, driver and getting a 350 soon
'70 88 street machine on the back burner\

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:33:15 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: W Machines

On Thu, 2 Oct 1997, Tony Waldner wrote:
> Over the years I have owned every '70 W-machine built. I really enjoyed my
> Delta 88 Custom W-33 2-door.  Anyne ever see a '70 Delta -with- boxed rear
> lower control arms and a rear sway bar?  pretty cool when the 390 horse 455
> would smoke the rear posi through an intersection!  Too bad I borrowed it
> to my cousin who hit a greyhound bus with it.  Had to scrap that one.

Yeah, but you shoulda seen what the bus looked like afterwards... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:01:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: OldsCut442@aol.com
Subject: engine swapping

Im in the process of redue a 1984 oldsmobile cutlass. I want to pull the
buick 231
motor out. I want to put in the Olds 350 or 307. I will going to beef it up a
little
(mild cam and lifters, 350 tranny w/ shift kit and rear end).
Im looking for any information on problems that might occur like mounts or
bolting down. I plan to run non computer setup. I want to finish the body
(repairs and primed)
this winter and motor in spring. followed by a paint job ( might use the
hurst olds look).
Please email responses too oldscut442@aol.com.

By the way it has been awhile since I played around with this stuff. So any
info will
be greatly appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 13:16:24 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: W Machines

I really enjoyed my
Delta 88 Custom W-33 2-door.  Anyne ever see a '70 Delta -with- boxed
rear
lower control arms and a rear sway bar?  pretty cool when the 390 horse
455
would smoke the rear posi through an intersection!  Too bad I borrowed
it
to my cousin who hit a greyhound bus with it.  Had to scrap that one.  I
still have the sway bars, posi rear end and the boxed arms, 455, and
special speedo head.  I might just have to make me a W-33 Delta some
day.
At least I have all of the goodies for it!

Tony
- ----------
Just in case some of those pieces are looking for a home, I'll offer to
provide one in my '70 Delta 88, one day to be known as a W-88, the
sleeper
4 door. It was built in Lansing, so know I just have to cobble up a
build
sheet, and it's documented!
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: 2 Oct 1997 11:10:39 -0700
From: "Mike Gardner" <Mike_Gardner@latgqmg.sps.mot.com>
Subject: Plastic Dash Chrome

                      Subject:                              Time:  10:40 AM
  OFFICE MEMO         Plastic Dash Chrome                   Date:  10/2/97

The "chrome" highlites on my plastic dash have worn away in many places.  How
can I get my dash "re-chromed"?  Is this a chrome or silver plastic paint of
some type?

Thanks,
Mike
'70 455 Delta 88 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: NotDads442@aol.com
Subject: RE: W Machines

While many members don't consider it a true W Machine.  I do own a 1991 W41
Calais.

Cecil Smalley

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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:42:36 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: W Machines

> While many members don't consider it a true W Machine.  I do own a 1991 W41
> Calais.

Every performance option in Oldsmobiles stable is a W code.  Therefore,
it is an unwritten rule, that if your option code for your car package
starts with a W, then it is a performance machine.  My opinion of
course.  The W-30 and W-31 of old were the only ones to put that on a
die-cast badge and proudly wear it on the fenders.  The H/O, 442s of the
late 70's used decals to note their W origin, and didn't the W-41's come
with a decal?

My 69 H/O is under option code W-46 (was it not a bruiser?), and the 85
442 is W-42, and the 71 442 was actually a Cutlass with the "standard"
option W-29 and all its ameneties.

Yes, Cecil, it IMO is a W-machine.


Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 2 Oct 1997 14:46:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic Dash Chrome

Your local hobby shop has felt tip chrome paint pens which do a reasonaly
good job of hiding the nicks and scratches... It is not perfect but it is
close

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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Date: Thu, 02 Oct 1997 14:45:16 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: W-machines

Oops!  Forgot to mention the other 69's that showed on the fender, the
W-30/31/32.  Yikes!  How could I forget those?  And if you want to count
the V-piston Ram Rod 350 and 400 decals for 68.........

I hope I didn't leave anyone else out.  I'm sure I'll hear about it if I
did.

Mike Rothe

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