
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, October 8 1997      Volume 01 : Number 892



The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
The list people and their cars
HEI, One more time again
Re: H/O's in C&D
79 H/O Stripe Aid needed
Re: The List People and Their Cars
Q-jet choke
Re: list of people and cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: everyone on the list
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: People on the list
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: The list people and their cars
Re Car Wanted
'68 Delmont
Re: The list people and their cars
power seat question
Re: The list people and their cars
Original 1971 manuals SOLD!
Re: The list people and their carz
Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: '85 442 model kit??
Re: The list people and their cars
Re: '68 Delmont
Re: Parts/motors for sale
Re: everyone on the list
Re: everyone on the list
Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!
people on the list
Re: matt/ignition
Tons of new car pics
Re: Exhaust Manifold
Michigan Suicide Law - No Olds Content
RE: everyone on the list
List Members
RE: everyone on the list but me :(
RE: H/O's in C&D
Re: 455 rocket
RE: everyone on the list
name for list
Re: List Members
Remove
Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Re: everyone on the list
Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....)
Re: everyone on the list
Date:	Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:02:55 -0000
ADMIN: List of Members, Etiquette, etc.
everyone on the list
More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
Re: everyone on the list
Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...
RE: I loved my '65 VW bug!
Seatbelts for '55 Olds
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Name and car
Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???
Re: 455 rocket
Re: The list people and their cars
1970 SX engine information

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 22:42:25 -0500
From: jaoder@navix.net
Subject: The list people and their cars

John Oder
Nebraska
70 Cutlass SX W-32
70 Plymouth Cuda 383 Convertable
70 Plymouth Cuda 440 Auto
73 Dodge Challenger Ralley 360

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:53:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Ernie Johnson    AKA Elephant Engine Ernie            Maine

1967 442  Black hardtop 4speed  (Saffron interior, I've owned it since 69)
1950   88  Black sedan hydra matic
1958  Lloyd Alexander 600   (I know,   I know,   what's a Lloyd?)
1960  Lloyd Alexander 600 TS   (See above)
1990  Saab 9000 CD  (Close between another one and an Aurora next year)
1995  GMC Safari van (Used in my business, last one went over 300,000 miles)

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:08:28 -0400
From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Brian and Margie Lorway
Mt.Clemens, MI

1970 4-4-2 W-30, 4-Speed (sherwood green w/ white stripes)
1971 4-4-4 W-30, Convertible (sienna w/ white stripes)
1996 Oldsmobile Bravada (black)
1996 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Series 4 (white w/ sunroof)

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:15:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Sorry if anybody gets this twice, I sent the same thing from my Rocketmail
account earlier, and haven't seen it yet.

Clayton Pierce
Johnson City, Tennessee
1984 Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH375(built), 2.41:1(non-posi), 75kmiles)
	(original buckets and console shifter (rare in a supreme?))
        (light briar brown exterior, burgundy interior & vinyl top)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1 (3.5l (215) all alum. V8, EFI, BW-65(auto), 2.?:1, 85k
        (miles, buckets and console shifter (standard))
        (pendelican white exterior, biscuit and brown interior)


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 23:22:09 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: The list people and their cars

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS

1987 Olds 442  (307 4bbl)
1989 GMC Sierra Stepside  (350 EFI)
1993 Cadillac Sedan de Ville  (305 PFI)
1993 Honda VT 1100C Shadow  

http://www.442.com/newman.html  (Updated by Bryceman 9/18/97)
http://wcbi.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:26:41 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: HEI, One more time again

Well, to follow the latest thread on the list ;-)
Yep, you guessed it, I finally got around to installing an HEI
distributor.  Have found same very positive results in both power and
mileage as other list members have found.  It was actually fairly easy,
and probably only took half an hour to an hour at the most.  The old
distrib. came right out easy as pie, and as my luck was going that day,
the motor had somehow by the grace of God stopped directly on TDC, so all
I had to do was drop the new one in place ;-).  Also installed a manual
choke... why manual you ask, three reasons.  (1) the manual choke kit was
cheaper than the automatic choke kit and my stove pipe has long been
missing.  (2) I am a control freak, and like to have more control over my
choke.  (3) Greg Pruett taught me this one, so blame him, if you get
another car riding your bumper, just drop to a lower gear, pull the choke
_ALL THE WAY OUT_ and punch the gas a bit, I guarantee they will back off.
BTW, this is not a good idea if you are very low on gas ;-).

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 22:17:47 PDT
From: "chris smetana" <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Re: H/O's in C&D

> I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall something
> about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
> special trim, in around the '70-'71 era. Whatever the case, though the
I think so too, but I'm thinking (sniff, sniff is something burning) around '73.....
Who's got the Hurst Heritage book?

> Hurst/Pontiac runs the quarter in 13.1@111mph, and has a top speed of
> 182mph, I think its $45,000 sticker price is a little rich for my blood. Of
I understand they are all spoken for anyway.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris@abcs.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
plus others

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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 21:16:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: 79 H/O Stripe Aid needed

I haven't found anyone who sells repro 1979 H/O (White) stripe kits. If 
so who and what's the quality????

I talked to Mike at Auto Decal who would like to make a quality repro of 
these but needs a reference.  CAn anyone help him make these for us 79 
H/O owners probably work for 1980 442 as well??
 If so Call  (602)860-9800.

THANKS
Jeff Stanish

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:33:48 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The List People and Their Cars

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Everett Horton  OCA# 1961
> Rumford, R.I.
> 
> 1961 Olds  Starfire Conv
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme Conv
> 1971 Vista Cruiser
> 1972 Toronado
> 1972 Supreme Coupe 3 speed on column
> 1989 Touring Sedan
> 1992 Supreme Conv
> 1990 S10 p/u  (Bravada wanabe)
Everett,

You are indeed an Olds Man.  You probably own GM (Olds division only of
course) stock.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:33:05 +0000
From: IRA <irahs@earthlink.net>
Subject: Q-jet choke

Has anybody had experience converting the choke on a Q-jet to electric
or manual?  I have a 455 with a performer intake; there are no
provisions for the choke tubes. suggestions?  Thanks in advance.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:29:38 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: list of people and cars

 Radiant Green, 
This isn't that obnoxious booger green is it?  My parts car is this color
(inside & out).

No offense - but you must admit that is quite a pretentious name for a
~green~ color :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:32:01 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

<snip snip snip> 'Burban
My sister calls hers a Sub - maybe cause of her alcohol problem ( not need
to remind her  that way - !).


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:23:27 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

>Hans Naepflin
>Manhattan Beach, CA
>1970 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, 242,000 miles and rolling!

It was nice meeting you Sunday - hey,  I grew up in M. Beach - :-)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:26:12 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

>did i leave anyone's name out?

As we go blind trying to read all that :-)

(translation - I'm there)


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:16:54 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Wow, I think you finally did it in order the way he originally requested!

At 05:50 PM 10/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>A.)  RC Hellebuyck
>
>B.)  Michigan
>
>C.)  1971 4-4-2 covt. (455 4/bbl, automatic, saturn gold, blk
interior/top, SS 
>     I wheels, OAI)
>
>     1995 Acheva (wife's car)
>
>

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:22:16 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: People on the list

>unidentified Olds project car....any suggestions!!!

I've got a '69 Toronado that's looking for a new home - see Bryceman's
classifieds page for details.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:41:02 -0500
From: David Lincoln <lincoln@ebicom.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Dave Lincoln
Tupelo, MS   (originally from Cape Gir, Mo)

'93 Cutlass Conv.  Red, black top, graphite leather, 3.4L, "Lucille"

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:41:41 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Brent Pinkstaff wrote:

> OK, since some people are listing other makes, and others previously
> owned cars, here's both for me...
> 
> Brent Pinkstaff
> Falls Church,VA
Hey Brent,

Don't know if you're referring to me or not but I have 15 or so right
now with only one being a parts car.  If I listed everything I've owned
since I started driving it would probably hit in the 80 to 100 area over
the last 32 years.  I do plan on getting rid of 7 or 8 of them in the
next year as I am tired of them being around.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:43:35 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re Car Wanted

Got this inquiry off my webpage.  Reply privately:

I am looking for a 1970 Olds Cutlass Supreme, in any condition,
         but hopefully at least running. I will consider anything though,
         even not running. Can you help? If so, email me at
         abretones@juno.com. Thanks. 

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:52:01 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: '68 Delmont

Jim or Everett - can you help this guy out?  He's looking for the following
'68 Delmont parts:

Specifically, I am looking for the following:

         -Right front signal lens cover
         -Passenger side Delmont emblem
         -Driver side rear chrome skirt (behind wheel)

         Any help would be appreciated.

         Thanks,

Reply to me privately -

Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

'64 Cutlass, '66 Toronado, '67 Delta 88 Custom, '69 Toronado, '72 Vista
Cruiser 

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 00:59:06 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu wrote:
> 
> Joe Ferrero  (western New York state)
> 
> 1947 olds 2-dr fast back
>      DYNAMIC 76
> 1948 olds 4 dr sedan
>         DYNAMIC 66
Joe, the first two you have are neat old cars.  They were built around
the time I was born.  If you look at some of the vehicles produced just
after the war, you can almost see the relief from WWII being over and
consumer goods being available again.  When you realize the auto
companies ceased production to build tanks, planes, etc., a lot of cars
bought prior to the 1942 run were plain worn out.  These vehicles are
the beginning of the boom cycle for the car companies.  That is part of
the fun of messing with old cars, they reflect our heritage and history.

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:58:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: power seat question

 Hi guys, whats the difference between a bench and a bucket power seat rack
on a 72 cutlass? And which is a fourway and which is a six? thanks joe

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 22:56:51 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

> 1986 Delta 88 (Wife)  Can't speak kindly of this one.

Err, the wife or the car????
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 01:15:56 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Original 1971 manuals SOLD!

Manuals are both sold!  

RC Hellebuyck

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:05:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: AGUY4RUMLI@aol.com
Subject: Re: The list people and their carz

joe
lynbrook ny
72 442 conv. w/ smallblock chevy tune port injection, paxton super charger
and NOS <G>
74 cutlass s t-tops 455 200hp NOS semi radical
which do you think is faster?

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:06:29 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!

Mike Gardner wrote:
> 
>                       I loved my '65 VW bug!
> 10/7/97

A guy I used to work with had a Bug.  No idea what year, etc. but the
entire car was built with the outlaw German stuff, I guess half of it
was Porsche.  I drove it once (only Bug I'll ever ~admit~ to driving!!!)
I hated that clutch.  Started out over center (if you can visualize
that) so you had to push ~up~ on the top of the pedal before it'd start
moving...  Sweet paint job, lowerred, and quick.  We took it to a fair
(for the stereo store we worked at -- It had 2 15's, 4 10's, and was
~extremely~ loud!!!) It really turned heads on the highway, passing
people over 85...  The look of disbelief was amusing...  He wanted
10Grand for the car, and I think it was probably actually worth it (?!) 
For a Bug...  :)

- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 01:19:12 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> >There are three olds owners here...  Clive, Ade, and Tom Lindsay in
> >Idaho.
> >My brother (Ade)72 4-4-2 (built 455 & loads of fun - 11 sec. sunny day
> >driver)
> >               70 Olds Cutlass (Street-pro)
> >               68 Olds Starfire
> 
> A '68 Starfire? I thought they were discontinued in '67. I like the '67-'68
> body style best, so that makes one more car to add to the full-size wish-list...
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
My book doesn't show a Starfire after 1966 when they made 13,019,
weighed 4,013 and base cost was $3,564.  The book says the 425/385 bhp
engine was standard.

Don Sowers

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:16:10 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '85 442 model kit??

His catalog was
> a
> year old, so I know some of you guys are into the plastic models, and
> was
> wondering if anyone has seen a kit of the "sportier" Olds G-bodies.
> 
I've been ~hoping~ to find one for years...  Never seen anything :( 
(Haven't looked very hard, but...)  Anyone hear anything, let me know,
too?
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:21:11 +0100
From: "J. Hoekendijk" <Hoekenj@apeldoorn.nl>
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

1964 F-85 Cutlass Vista-Cruiser Custom HC
Jim Hoekendijk, Apeldoorn, The Netherlands.

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 23:22:00 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: '68 Delmont

James Thingwold wrote:
> 
> Jim or Everett - can you help this guy out?  He's looking for the
> following
> '68 Delmont parts:

Do you happen to remember if any of the pics I had on my page (There
were a couple late 60's Delmonts) would have worked for him?  If he's
~really~ desperate, I can give you/him the address/phone # to the
place.  Don't know if they'd do any shipping, but the parts might be
there, at least...
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 01:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daily73@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts/motors for sale

Parts/motors for sale is in Milwaukee, Wi.

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:28:49 -0500
From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:

>here is a list of everyone on the list:

<snip>

>did i leave anyone's name out?

dnewman@wcbi.com

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html  (Updated by Bryceman 9/18/97
http://wcbi.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:22:53 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

>>did i leave anyone's name out?
>



mrhell@sprynet.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:33:28 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!

Charley Buehner wrote:
> 
> Mike Gardner wrote:
> >
> >                       I loved my '65 VW bug!
> > 10/7/97
> 
> A guy I used to work with had a Bug.  No idea what year, etc. but the
> entire car was built with the outlaw German stuff, I guess half of it
> was Porsche.  I drove it once (only Bug I'll ever ~admit~ to driving!!!)
> I hated that clutch.  Started out over center (if you can visualize
> that) so you had to push ~up~ on the top of the pedal before it'd start
> moving...  Sweet paint job, lowerred, and quick.  We took it to a fair
> (for the stereo store we worked at -- It had 2 15's, 4 10's, and was
> ~extremely~ loud!!!) It really turned heads on the highway, passing
> people over 85...  The look of disbelief was amusing...  He wanted
> 10Grand for the car, and I think it was probably actually worth it (?!)
> For a Bug...  :)
> 
> --
> 
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>              Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
One of my college running buddies was from Northern Ky and would go back
to that area from time to time to visit his relatives.  He swears a
friend of his took a Beetle, dropped a 289 ci/271 hp Ford engine with a
standard trans and built a stealth machine.  Said his friend put 300
pounds of lead in the front to hold it down when he took off.  He said
it was one bad ride and out run a lot of unsuspecting guys with high
dollar muscle cars.  I did not personally see it, but knowing my driend
I would have to believe him.  That would produce a serious power to
weight ratio and strightline performance.  Baddest car I was ever in was
a 69 (sorry Charley) L88 Chevelle.  Baddest car I remember seeing was a
427 powered Cobra sitting next to the basketball arena in a parking spot
on U K's campus in the late 60's.  Only worth $500,000+ today.  Or maybe
it was the GT40 Ford I saw driving down the road in Troy, Ohio about
1970.  Have no idea how much that would be worth today.  Only one I ever
saw.  I guess the bottom line is this.  If it would go fast and looked
good I liked it.  People who weren't car age during the 60s and 70s
missed out on a lot of excitement and fun.  Everybody would run down to
the new car dealership of their choice and scope out the newest baddest
of the bad and then buy what their insurance carrier, age and driving
record could handle.  I fulfilled one of my wants back then when I
bought the 72 Hurst about 9 years ago.  Now if I could only get started
restoring it.....

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:52:04 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: people on the list

It seems most of the people on the list are from the northeast,
California, and Canadian areas.  I hope there are a few more people from
Kentucky on here that are just too bashful to make an appearance,
because otherwise I am doing a solo.  (I know, I know, outstanding in my
field, too dumb to come inside etc. etc. etc.)  Wherever you're from, I
really enjoy the people and appreciate the educational opportunity
available.  Glad I found you guys.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 00:23:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jack Karamanos <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: matt/ignition

i have a crane hi-6 with a crane 91 coil and a pertronix unit in the dist.
there was a definite improvement in performance and milage.  milage went
from 8-11 to a consistent 12.3-14 and i have leaditis in my right foot
really bad.  just for ref. i take atleast 7-800 miles of tire for a 100
mile trip.   7000 miles on 80000 mile tires and they are bald.  so a 1.5-6
mile increase in mileage means more hardware for the 455.  i talked to a
guy who has a stack of m/t hillborn injection manifolds for bb olds and
for a paltry sum will make them efi and still look like hillborn..  think
it will help the tires?  i cant say anything about stock hei as i have
only points distributors to compare to.  i had accell point/cond setup
before and i also ran a dual point mechanical from cragar.  i have a dual
and single mallory but i have not tried them, they are in the trunk in
case of melt down on the electronic stuff.  kinda like a spare fan belt in
the trunk.  starts easier----maybe, idles better----maybe, just set it and
forget it-----yes, takes up more room under the dash----yes, costs  a 
chunk of change---yes, impress your friends with the hood up---dont know
they cant see under the dash, have to get a new electronic tach for more $
so it will read the digital output-------yes,  more performance----yes,
and i have not changed the wires or the plugs yet, they are still in the
box on the shelf with all the other stuff i have to try out, heads, cams,
carbs, manifolds, converters, trannies etc  


good luck

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 02:36:21 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Tons of new car pics

Updated my page some more tonight.  Tons of stuff.  Couple more pics of
my Olds's.  One of the Rockit pulling another Cutlass on the trailer,
couple more of the '83, few of a coworker's 85 442 (for sale), bunches
of car show pics (many Olds) and some Monster Truck show pics.  Added a
link to someone's 57 Buick, too.  Been a busy night.  It's nearly 3:00
A.M. so I guess I ~have~ been busy.  Had comedians in the background (on
the dish) so things went quickly.  Just listened to George Carlin -
Favorites on HBO.  Oh I miss those old specials.  Definately have to
record ~that~ one!  Well, check it out, see what ya think...  Better go,
I've got 12 miles to drive home yet...  
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 06:49:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: AllNiteLng@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold

In a message dated 97-10-08 03:13:41 EDT, you write:

<< 
 It must be cracked worse than I pictured it, then...
 
 S. Dave Ward
 
 
 ------------------ >>


    No S**T Sherlock

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:58:04 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: Michigan Suicide Law - No Olds Content

On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 R4C442@aol.com wrote:
> Hey Tom!
>    Didn't I just read that the state of Michigan, in all it's
philosophical
> and moral glory, has passed a law which makes it illegal to commit
suicide in
> a hotel/motel etc. I  know I wouldn't for fear of the penalty!
>                                                                  Ron
Forsee
> 65 442-Meister
>
Centennial
> #110
>
>
> P.S. Does the afterworld honor extradition laws?

**********************
Ron,

Yes, I'm afraid that it's true that Michigan passed some such law.  I'm not
certain of what the exact wording is, but the intent was to somehow try and
protect the poor hotel/motel housekeeping staff from the trauma of finding
the bodies during the course of trying to do their jobs.  I guess old Jack
isn't very tidy in his work, and has tended lately to leave things behind
when he and his customers "check out".  I can understand how this might be
disturbing to the housekeeping staff.  I'm not sure what the penalty for
violating the law is however.  Perhaps they will perform a prolonged
attempt to resuscitate you so that you can be properly punished.  More
likely, there's some sort of civil penalty for assisting someone in a hotel
or motel, so that they can renew the attempts to jail Jack.  I don't guess
that I need to personally worry about any of it though.  Not for a good
long time yet, anyway.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:55:43 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: everyone on the list

On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM, Mikeytvb@aol.com
[SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com] wrote:
> here is a list of everyone on the list:
> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
johnson@edisongroup.com,
>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,
z28cfi@gwis.com,
>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,
jht@exo.com,
>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,
isocon@pi.net,
>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
jadcock@vt.edu,
>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,
mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
r4c442@aol.com,
>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
tlentz@ior.com,
>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
> 
> did i leave anyone's name out?


You have my e-mail address wrong. It should be: bobby.etzel@gsc.gte.com

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:27:41 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: List Members

On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
> here is a list of everyone on the list: . . .

*********************
Oh great, I'm sure that any cyber-marketing types who happen to be on the
list really loved that bit of information all nicely packaged together.

By the way, I know for a fact that the list presented was not complete.  It
probably wasn't even close to being complete.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:34:17 -0500
From: Jason Beres <jberes@datamine.net>
Subject: RE: everyone on the list but me :(

jberes@datamine.net

1983 98 Regency coupe

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:43:31 -0400
From: tgstoner@umich.edu
Subject: RE: H/O's in C&D

On Wed, 8 Oct 1997  Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu> wrote:
> I get hand-me-down Car and Drivers from my father, who subscribes, and
> noticed that the November issue's write-up of the Hurst/Lingenfelter
Pontiac
> Trans Am also includes a timeline of the other projects Hurst did for
> manufacturers, including production figures and original prices. Of
course,
> Oldses figure heavily in that list, though a '71 Hurst Jeepster sounds
like
> a funky SUV to have around.
>
> Anyway, one odd figure in there: under 1968 H/O production, they list 459
> coupes and _56_ convertibles. That's not right, is it? They also list a
> base-price of $4224 for the convertible, as compared to $4288 for the
coupe.
> Are they mistaking the sport coupe (w/post) production with convertible
> production? They list two '69 convertibles, but point out that this was
not
> regular production cars, so they can't give a list price.
>
> I think they shortchanged Pontiac in this timeline, as I recall something
> about a Hurst Grand Prix, which mainly consisted of a sunroof option and
> special trim, in around the '70-'71 era. Whatever the case, though the
> Hurst/Pontiac runs the quarter in 13.1@111mph, and has a top speed of
> 182mph, I think its $45,000 sticker price is a little rich for my blood.
Of
> course, I wonder if they were saying that about the $4500 sticker on the
'69
> H/O...
***********************
I just receive my November issue in yesterday's mail, and I haven't had a
chance to read it yet.  It certainly sounds as if they confused the Sport
Coupe production figure though.  And I also recall that the Grand Prix SSJ
from about 1971 was a Hurst-modified model and probably what Dr. Bob is
recalling.  I believe that it's included in The Hurst Heritage book, but I
don't have my copy of that here at work.  I'll have to check to see if they
also missed the Chrysler 300-H, which was a rather obscure Hurst
modification as well.  Anyway, since Car and Driver's editorial offices are
just across town from here, I'll be sure to let them know about whatever
mistakes they've made.  If everyone else on this list does so too, I'm sure
we'll be able to get alot of Oldsmobile mention in the Letters section in a
couple of months.

Tom Stoner
Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
Ann Arbor, MI
tgstoner@umich.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:08:22 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: 455 rocket

Geez, you almost can guess the address....you can find the Brycemeister at 
www.442.com.

>CLAUDERATL@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> help!
>> 
>> have a 455 rocket oldsmobile engine.  what do you know about it.  what car
>> did it originally come in.  would love to overhaul this engine.  does anyone
>> know where i can find information on the internet about this engine?
>
>Bryceman's Olds page has this info available. Someone who has the
>address will I'm sure chime in here and provide it... (hint, hint)
>
>JR
>
>


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:14:30 -0600
From: Art Pforr <artp@iem.com>
Subject: RE: everyone on the list

Art & Martha Pforr 68 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe


At 07:55 AM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM, Mikeytvb@aol.com
>[SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com] wrote:
>> here is a list of everyone on the list:
>> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
>johnson@edisongroup.com,
>>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,
>z28cfi@gwis.com,
>>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,
>jht@exo.com,
>>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,
>isocon@pi.net,
>>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
>jadcock@vt.edu,
>>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,
>mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
>r4c442@aol.com,
>>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
>tlentz@ior.com,
>>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
>krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
>> 
>> did i leave anyone's name out?
>
>
>You have my e-mail address wrong. It should be: bobby.etzel@gsc.gte.com
>
>70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
>
>
IEM, Inc.
Art Pforr
Customer Service
Hardware Technical Support
Phone 970-221-3005
Fax 970-221-3709
artp@iem.com
http://www.iem.com

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:17:24 -0600
From: Art Pforr <artp@iem.com>
Subject: name for list

Art & Martha Pforr  68 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
IEM, Inc.
Art Pforr
Customer Service
Hardware Technical Support
Phone 970-221-3005
Fax 970-221-3709
artp@iem.com
http://www.iem.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:24:16 -0500
From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: List Members

That list BETTER NOT BE GOING TO ANY KIND OF MARKETING GROUP!!!!!!!!!!

At 08:27 AM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>> here is a list of everyone on the list: . . .
>
>*********************
>Oh great, I'm sure that any cyber-marketing types who happen to be on the
>list really loved that bit of information all nicely packaged together.
>
>By the way, I know for a fact that the list presented was not complete.  It
>probably wasn't even close to being complete.
>
>Tom Stoner
>Oldsmobile Club of America #3943
>Ann Arbor, MI
>tgstoner@umich.edu
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:39:30 -0500 (CDT)
From: hogan442@localhost.c-gate.net
Subject: Remove



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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:49:24 -0500
From: Jeremy Enos <j-enos@students.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

I discovered that the 1977 98 Regency I bought has a 403 in it that
is an oil-aholic.  I just retired a 76 98 w/ a 455 in it due to body
deterioration, but the engine was working wonderfully even with the
161,000 on it.  At a glance, it doesn't look like there is any way that
the 455 could fit in the the spot that the 403 is in, but according to
mechanics I've called- the books say it will fit w/ the proper mounting
brackets.  I wanted to ask somewhere where I could get an informed possibly
first-hand answer, so I'm posting here.  Please advise!
Thanks-

	Jeremy

P.S. I won't have to switch engines if everyone on this list could send me
just one quart of oil...  j/k ;-)

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:59:46 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

- ----------
> From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
> 
> did i leave anyone's name out?
daren@revealed.net 

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 08:54:18 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Real Race cars Have Four Speeds (Was: optimum shift.....)

Tim,
The reason you see all the "fast" race cars with automatics is because
the autos don't shock the driveline and break as many parts as a stick.
The modern automatics usually have a very low first compared to the
older autos.  That may explain why your V-6/Auto car is quicker than
your real car with the big block and 4 speed.  I am sure weight has
nothing to do with it either, does it. :)  Yes there are advantages with
automatics.  I have raced both types of transmissions and prefer the 4
speeds over the slush box.  For comparasins sake, I had a F*rd with a
good running 289, automatic with a loose convertor, and 4.11 gears.  The
car ran low 9s in the 1/8 mile.  I swapped out the auto and installed a
top loader 4 speed with the low first gear (2.72-1) and the car went
into the 8.80s.  I have seen another car go faster when the owner
replaced the 4 speed with a powerglide.  He was overpowering his stock
chassis and narrow slicks.  The glide softened the blow and he picked up
some E.T.  I would love to see that car go back to a four speed now that
it has a full tube chassis.  But then again it is not really the same
car anymore despite wearing the same skin.  I think the autos in the
fast drag cars are a band aid cure for other things that need sorted
out.  My Olds was born with a 4 speed and it will live forever with a 4
speed. (Olds content)

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:15:27 -0500
From: Shang <shoover@flash.net>
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

> At 07:55 AM 10/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >On Tuesday, October 07, 1997 8:58 PM, Mikeytvb@aol.com
> >[SMTP:Mikeytvb@aol.com] wrote:
> >> here is a list of everyone on the list:
> >> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,
> >johnson@edisongroup.com,
> >>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
> >>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,
> >z28cfi@gwis.com,
> >>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
> >>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
> >>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,
> >jht@exo.com,
> >>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,
> >isocon@pi.net,
> >>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,
> >jadcock@vt.edu,
> >>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
> >>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
> >>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
> >>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
> >>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
> >>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,
> >mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
> >>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,
> >r4c442@aol.com,
> >>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
> >>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,
> >tlentz@ior.com,
> >>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,
> >krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
> >>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
> >>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
> >>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
> >>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
> >>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
> >>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
> >>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
> >>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
> >>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
> >>
> >> did i leave anyone's name out?




shoover@flash.net	

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:02:55 -0000
From: "Rod Beydler" <rodsmobile@mscomm.com>
Subject: Date:	Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:02:55 -0000

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 11:25:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: List of Members, Etiquette, etc.

A few things:

First, there is *never* any need to post a list of members of this or 
any maj*rdomo list. A command in majordomo will tell you that same 
information privately. Now, I'm not gonna tell you what it is, but if 
you're smart enough to *need* a list of everyone here, you'll be smart 
enough to figure it out yourself.... :)  Seriously, please, don't post 
this list, or follow-up to it, and especially, don't send it anywhere 
else. OK?

Second: I have a real problem with people trashing each other via the 
list. Happens occasionally, and depending on my mood I'll either 
ignore it or ask it to stop. I'm cranky right now, so here's fair 
warning: don't trash fellow members via the list. If you have a 
problem with someone's views, take it private. If you're going to 
post anything to the list, I want courtesy and respect shown. Enough 
said.

Third: Please, Oh, Please, trim those follow-ups!! Nothing worse than 
3 pages worth of quotes for a one-line response!
 
Thanks as always... 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 09:32:59 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: everyone on the list

did i leave anyone's name out?
- ----------
Probably. I say that because majordomo mail list software has commands
that allow you to find all the list members, as well as s*bscribe and
uns*bscribe. If you send a message to majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca with "who
oldsmobile" in the message portion (not subject), you get a list of all
list members at the moment. Same for the olds digest ("who
oldsmobile-digest"). You can even get a full list of commands by sending
"help" in the message portion. Just FYI.

But it doesn't list a member's cars.
- -- 
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 07:23:19 PDT
From: "John Stolarski" <oldscs350@hotmail.com>
Subject: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

Tom,
What is an IMHO first off? And I didn't think that a 3711 had holes 
drilled and tapped for computer sensors? Second, is the computer system 
on an '84 H/O the same as the one in an '86 Olds Cutlass? The only 
reason I ask is because Edelbrock says a 3711 fits olds up to '85, I 
have an '86.
I figured an '86 has a different intake set-up....Tom, or anyone, any 
light you could shed on this would greatly be appreciated! Thanks alot, 
John



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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:38:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Subject: Re: everyone on the list

> 
I did not see my name:

phouse@feith.com

> here is a list of everyone on the list:
> cw63nova@worldnet.att.net,  goodfoot@ix.netcom.com,  johnson@edisongroup.com,
>  tjwilli@megavision.com,  mrada@catalina-inter.net,
>  phillil@redoak.heartland.net,  dstaxpro@lex.infi.net,  z28cfi@gwis.com,
>  ward@htbo.igs.net,  u8mymeat@aol.com,  cdogg73@elknet.net,
>  dilligaf@ti.infi.net,  oldz69442@aol.com,  mrothe@prodigy.net,
>  trudolph@frii.com,  buehner@lyrea.com,  popps51@aol.com,  jht@exo.com,
>  ralllye350@aol.com,  djv442@aol.com,  ward@ptbo.igs.net,  isocon@pi.net,
>  gbro@juno.com,  sasgmm@unx.sas.com,  markintime@aol.com,  jadcock@vt.edu,
>  gpc442@buffnet.net,  ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu,  chermac@exis.net,
>  joertexas@earthlink.net,  bman6771@aol.com,  fredall@aol.com,
>  cmiller@mwr.kic.or.jp,  f_m_o@classic.msn.com,  deovivere@aol.com,
>  mcornea@ford.com,  3sticks@stjohns.edu,  bobby.etzel@chebucto.ns.ca,
>  dvansant@lantd5.uscg.mil,  hilflyr442@aol.com,  notdads442@aol.com,
>  allnitelng@aol.com,  paulp34167@aol.com,  mike.blankenship@medaphis.com,
>  bradotto@worldnet.att.net,  rbarry@sequent1.providence.net,  r4c442@aol.com,
>  richardc@equitrac.com,  jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net,  dawgs@conninc.com,
>  avar@infinet.com,  iamoz@ime.net,  dave@frofitsystems.net,  tlentz@ior.com,
>  cowancom@pipeline.com,  w30442cs@aol.com,  krumweide@mis.highland.cc.il.us,
>  tlindsay@earthlink.net,  antiqolds@aol.com,  mgillespie@sprynet.com,
>  jbeausol@ftp.com,  j-enos@students.uiuc.edu,  bobh592058@aol.com,
>  fear_of_tomorrow@hotmail.com,  geo679@aol.com,  u17058@uicvm.uic.edu,
>  cruper1@aol.com,  rcoons@u.washington.edu,  mpheiser@aol.com,
>  dcross@selway.umt.edu,  fikaris@en.com,  xdarrinj@ti.com,
>  the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com,  lacey@dsea.com,
>  ccremean@edcan.ehhs.cmich.edu,  padavano.joe@orbital.com,
>  ab348@chebucto.ns.ca,  mcfrlan@bconnex.net,  harkema2@pilor.msu.edu,
>  cfair@fairisaac.com,  hoagie@emeraldis.com, and mikey_tvb@aol.com
> 
> did i leave anyone's name out?
> 

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 10:59:48 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: More help on 307 Intake Manifold on a 350?...

John Stolarski wrote:

> What is an IMHO first off? 

In My Humble Opinion

> Second, is the computer system on an '84 H/O the same as the one in
> an '86 Olds Cutlass? The only reason I ask is because Edelbrock says
> a 3711 fits olds up to '85, I have an '86.

Just a guess here...if someone could back this up...

I do think that the Computer Command Control (right?), CCC, is the same. 
Your ECM (Engine Control Module) will be different, but I do beleive that
the basic system is the same.  What Edelbrock might be referring to is
intake port size.  Didn't the 86-90 307's have 7a heads, whereas the 81-85
307's had 5a heads?  I think the 7a head intake ports are smaller than the
5a ones, and their manifold is sized for the 5a heads.  That's probably
what they were referring to.  Hope this helps.

- -- 
Jason K. Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 09:08:46 -0600
From: Dave Orth <dave@profitsystems.net>
Subject: RE: I loved my '65 VW bug!

I have to throw in my $.02, The "Baddest" car I've ridden in was my 
step-father's '71 Opel GT with a 455 ( Olds ) and TH400 . He was into Drag 
racing when I was younger, and he built the Opel just for the strip, it 
handled like crap because of all the weight on the front, but pulled the 
front tires WAY off the ground on launch.  He built-up the first car I 
owned ( 72 442 ) and it ran 12.66 (best) and high 12's consistently.
The Opel ran 8's at Brainerd MN, and also at a small strip we went to alot, 
Sabin (near Moorhead MN).  Scary fast car!  Of course he Never-ever tested 
on the road in front of the farm :o)

Thanks

Dave
dave@profitsystems.net

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Don Sowers [SMTP:dstaxpro@lex.infi.net]
Sent:	Wednesday, October 08, 1997 12:33 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: I loved my '65 VW bug!

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> Mike Gardner wrote:
> >
> >                       I loved my '65 VW bug!
> > 10/7/97
>
> A guy I used to work with had a Bug.  No idea what year, etc. but the
> entire car was built with the outlaw German stuff, I guess half of it
> was Porsche.  I drove it once (only Bug I'll ever ~admit~ to driving!!!)
> I hated that clutch.  Started out over center (if you can visualize
> that) so you had to push ~up~ on the top of the pedal before it'd start
> moving...  Sweet paint job, lowerred, and quick.  We took it to a fair
> (for the stereo store we worked at -- It had 2 15's, 4 10's, and was
> ~extremely~ loud!!!) It really turned heads on the highway, passing
> people over 85...  The look of disbelief was amusing...  He wanted
> 10Grand for the car, and I think it was probably actually worth it (?!)
> For a Bug...  :)
>
> --
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>              Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
One of my college running buddies was from Northern Ky and would go back
to that area from time to time to visit his relatives.  He swears a
friend of his took a Beetle, dropped a 289 ci/271 hp Ford engine with a
standard trans and built a stealth machine.  Said his friend put 300
pounds of lead in the front to hold it down when he took off.  He said
it was one bad ride and out run a lot of unsuspecting guys with high
dollar muscle cars.  I did not personally see it, but knowing my driend
I would have to believe him.  That would produce a serious power to
weight ratio and strightline performance.  Baddest car I was ever in was
a 69 (sorry Charley) L88 Chevelle.  Baddest car I remember seeing was a
427 powered Cobra sitting next to the basketball arena in a parking spot
on U K's campus in the late 60's.  Only worth $500,000+ today.  Or maybe
it was the GT40 Ford I saw driving down the road in Troy, Ohio about
1970.  Have no idea how much that would be worth today.  Only one I ever
saw.  I guess the bottom line is this.  If it would go fast and looked
good I liked it.  People who weren't car age during the 60s and 70s
missed out on a lot of excitement and fun.  Everybody would run down to
the new car dealership of their choice and scope out the newest baddest
of the bad and then buy what their insurance carrier, age and driving
record could handle.  I fulfilled one of my wants back then when I
bought the 72 Hurst about 9 years ago.  Now if I could only get started
restoring it.....

Don Sowers

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 07:22:58 -0700
From: "Gary Andresen" <gandresen@altigen.com>
Subject: Seatbelts for '55 Olds

- --=_ALTIGENCOMMUINCATIONS8080
CONTENT-TYPE: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1
CONTENT-TRANSFER-ENCODING: 7BIT

Finishing up my '55 Olds and would like recommendations and sources of
seatbelts that would be proper.  Is it possible to get seatbelts with the
GM
symbol similar to those out of '70's cars?

If anyone happens to have a set I would like to hear from you.  The
interior is
three shades of gray.

Thanks,

Gary Andresen
- --=_ALTIGENCOMMUINCATIONS8080--

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:20:00 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

It will fit, but your going to have to invest in swivel rachets in 
order to change the plugs. :) Also, going off memmory, (its been a 
while and many many beers later) will either have to swap motor 
mounts or re-postion motor mounts.


> I discovered that the 1977 98 Regency I bought has a 403 in it that
> is an oil-aholic.  I just retired a 76 98 w/ a 455 in it due to body
> deterioration, but the engine was working wonderfully even with the
> 161,000 on it.  At a glance, it doesn't look like there is any way that
> the 455 could fit in the the spot that the 403 is in, but according to
> mechanics I've called- the books say it will fit w/ the proper mounting
> brackets.  I wanted to ask somewhere where I could get an informed possibly
> first-hand answer, so I'm posting here.  Please advise!
> Thanks-
> 
> 	Jeremy
> 
> P.S. I won't have to switch engines if everyone on this list could send me
> just one quart of oil...  j/k ;-)
> 
> 

- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:24:57 -0700 (MST)
From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Subject: Name and car

Bill Goodnight
Boise, Idaho
'49 Olds Club Coupe
Bill Goodnight
Goodnight & Associates, Inc.
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 10:24:54 -0500
From: "Mike Krumwiede MIS Technician" <krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us>
Subject: Re: Will 455 fit in 1977 98???

Just curios, will you be changing the trainy too or just the engine? 
you the the TH-400 or TH-350 in it now?

1975 Olds 98 Regency 455 4bbl
1977 Olds Cutlass Suprreme 350 4bbl
1978 Olds Delta 88 Royale 350 4bbl




- -------------------------------------------------------
Mike Krumwiede - MIS Technician
Highland Community College
Phone (815) 235-6121
Mailto:Krumwiede@mis.highland.cc.il.us
- -------------------------------------------------------
"Every man dies...not every man really gets a chance to live"

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:32:45 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 rocket

JR wrote:
> 
> CLAUDERATL@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > help!
> >
> > have a 455 rocket oldsmobile engine.  what do you know about it.  what car
> > did it originally come in.  would love to overhaul this engine.  does anyone
> > know where i can find information on the internet about this engine?
> 
> Bryceman's Olds page has this info available. Someone who has the
> address will I'm sure chime in here and provide it... (hint, hint)
> 
> JR

Huh? Oh yeah! That's my que!
Ah-heh-hem, the address is:
http://www.442.com

Thank you, thank you!

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:41:45 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: The list people and their cars

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>  
>Write down your name, state you live and car or cars that you own. ABC order.



Timothy A. Churchill
Framingham, Massachusetts (Birthplace of many an Olds, tho not recently)
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible -- Born in Lansing, FWIW
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood
'91 Mazda Protege

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Date: Wed, 08 Oct 1997 11:42:48 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: 1970 SX engine information

>sorry if this is a dumb question....I own a 1970 cutlass SX 
>convertible..and am looking at the factory feature and specification 
>manual as I type this...I am looking at the SX conversion page...there 
>is absolutely no mention of a W-32 performance package affiliated with 
>the SX conversion package...all that I see is the Y-79 package is 
>available with this conversion.....only that during the 1st 6 months of 
>1970 this car came with a 320 HP 2 bbl carb and then came standard with 
>the 455 365 HP...so...ENLIGHTEN ME!!!...Hoagie

The W-32 365hp 4-bbl 455 was available from the beginning, as an upgrade to
the standard L-33 320hp 2-bbl high-compression 455. It's listed as an
option in the factory shop manual, which has a printing date of October
1969. After February of 1970, the L-33 was dropped, and the L-31 365hp
4-bbl 455 became the standard engine with the Y-79 package, and the W-32
365hp 4-bbl 455 remained as an optional engine upgrade. Though the hp
ratings are the same, the W-32 was the same as the 442 engine of that year,
and therefore had bigger intake valves and a more performance-oriented
camshaft than the L-31, which was basically the same engine they installed
as standard in the full-size cars.

FWIW, the Y-79 option *was* the performance package for the Cutlass Supreme
lineup, and the W-32 was an engine option on that performance package, even
though that performance package was basically only an engine option. The
only thing included in the Y-79 performance option was the specific
drivetrain package, not any handling/visual enhancements like the 442,
except perhaps the 12-bolt rear and the cutout rear bumper with trumpet
exhausts. Oh, yeah, the "SX" badges as well, but those are about as subtle
as can be. I had thought the Y-79 package also included the buckets and
console w/floor shifter interior, but that's not the case.

BTW, the L-33 was an engine exclusive to the Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme lineup
for its brief life in the first half of the 1970 model year. The 2-bbl
engine installed in the full-size cars had lower compression, and lower hp.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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