
oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, September 30 1997     Volume 01 : Number 878



"Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod
RE: jason adcock
Re: 1970  Cutlass SX convertible for sale
Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?
Door Hinge Hanging Tips?
RE: jason adcock
Re: Really Dumb Wiper Question
Re: Rear axle seal
1964-72 Disc Brake Conversion List... Attn: John
Re: PILOT BEARINGS
Re: '68 Toro cam specs; who has a '68 shop manual?
Re: `70 442 vs W-30
Re: jason adcock
Re: Color codes
Re: "B" Olds Head Question
RE: Color codes
Re: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod-Memories
Re: Color codes
Re: jason adcock
Re: Color codes
RE: Color codes
Name Origins (WAS Re: "Terrifying Toronado" ... )
75 442 4-sale
Re: my apologies to the list and a request
Re: There's my car!
Re: TPI fro Olds?
Disc Brake Conv Pt. II  (Re: Ball joint ????)
HEADERS THAT FIT!!!!
Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?
Re: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod-Memories
Re: jason adcock
Another 200,000 mile Oldsmobile
Re: 69 Assembly Manual
Re: 72 W-30 Q jet
Re: Carburator Question
Re: Quadrabog??  Any ideas?
Re: last chance to Vote Olds
Re: '71 Cutlass Steering Wheel 
hurst olds found 
Re: Top Speed 
Re: 1970  Cutlass SX convertible for sale
Yep, 200,000 mi.
RE: Export Engine Horsepower Ratings
Problem - 1989 Cutlass Supreme - New ECM? 
Re: Rear axle seal
Re: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod
For Sale: 866 F-85 sedan (forwarded)
Re: '72 Cutlass Bumperettes
Need '53 trans repair kit (forwrded)

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:25:09 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod

Well, it's not a very big picture, but it is the only one I've seen. On p.
98 of the November Hot Rod, there's a picture by Petersen photographer Jim
Kelly of John Smyser's "Terrifying Toronado", sponsored by Grant Products
(the steering wheel people) and Spooner's Automotive of Glendora (CA?). It
appears to be either a '66 or '67 Toronado with no hood, a supercharger and
bugcatcher fuel-injection setup, smoking its *front* tires. It also seems to
be wearing Halibrand 5-spoke rims of that vintage, which are obviously not
the right offset for this car. 

There is one other little detail; the driver's rollcage seems to be moved
forward quite a bit, with a firewall behind him, and there seems to be
something in the back seat; is that another engine back there? If so, it's
about 8" lower than the front one, indicating that it's somehow attached to
the rear axle by something other than a TH425. There are also hints of
zoomie header pipes coming out just in front of the rear wheels, but the car
still seems to use the rear leaf spring suspension. In the picture, the
front tires are definitely smoking, but it's unclear if the rears are.

Has anyone ever seen or heard about this car, or John Smyser? Could this car
be in any way related to the Hairy Hurst Olds? Aside from my dream of
putting a supercharger on my '69 Toro, this car also gives me inspiration
with those 5-spoke alloys on there; even if they don't have the proper
offset, they do look very cool.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:52:40 -0400
From: Patrick Flowers <patri63@ibm.net>
Subject: RE: jason adcock

Jason,

I'm not familiar with Outlook, but I know that MSExchange has an option
to add format information that is contained in a binary attachment to
the email.  MS calls it "Rich Text".  Look in the
Setup/Options/Preferences screens for something similar.

Patrick

> >Uhh, is anybody else getting attachments from me?  Cuz I'm sure as heck not 
> attaching anything to my emails.  I use Outlook 97.  Maybe all the bugs 
> aren't out just yet :)
> >
> > Jason Adcock
> > jadcock@vt.edu

- -- 
Patrick Flowers
Mailto:patri63@ibm.net

The GMC Motorhome Page 
http://www.gmcmotorhome.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:44:31 GMT
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970  Cutlass SX convertible for sale

>hey fellow oldsmobile obssessionist,
>	I have a 1970 Cutlass SX convertible I would like to sell, its a numbers
matching car, 2 bbl carb, 
>rare...made 1st 6 months of 70,1 of 743 built for 70, have original window
sticker, build sheet,protecto 
>plate, 4th owner, lifelong southern car (Greensboro,N.C.) have spent over a
year and 

Hmm, sound just like the car I have a hardtop version of (well, except for
the condition...).

>modulator,driveshaft removed and detailed also,car has every available
option including power 4-way bench seat 
>with center armrest, power windows, power locks, power top, power front
disc brakes, 
Huh. Bench seat? I had thought that buckets and the console were standard
equipment. Do you have a column shifter as well? My car had very few
options, but did come with the console. Oh, well, learn something new every day.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:59:07 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?

>Who here can check their '71-'72 shop manuals for the valve sizes of
>those-year Toro motors? Is it perhaps time to take the non-W-34 '70 Toro 455
>off the "big-valve" list? I'd hate to see someone take a recommendation from
>the FAQ to buy a non-GT '70 Toro motor to get the big-valve heads, only to
>be disappointed when they opened up the motor.
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Hi everyone!

I was off of the list for the summer.  Too many days of nice boating and
drag racing!  No time for indoor stuff like computers!  Anyways I hope
everyone had a great summer and that Lansing was fun.  It is good to be
back.  Is Charley B. still bashing Chevys??!!!!

Anyways, for Dr. Barry's question about Toro heads....All Toro's from '66
to '69 had big valve heads. Only W-34 Toro's in 1970 had big valve heads,
Standard 375 HP motors had 2-inch valves. All '71 Toro's had big valve
heads, and all '72 to'76 Toro's had small valve heads.

The only big valve head made after '72 was the ultra rare 455 4-speed motor
found in '73 Cutlass models.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

70 Rayson Craft 455 Olds V-Drive
79 Sidewinder 455 Olds Jet
86 Wellcraft Nova 454 Chev

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:26:08 -0700
From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Subject: Door Hinge Hanging Tips?

Ok, so I went to replace the heater core a few Sundays ago and decided to
repaint the box on the interior side. Then I got into the ol' familiar "while
I'm at it", and disassembled the whole front clip of my 98 conv.

Since I had the fenders off, I figured this would be the perfect time to
install
those new Fusick rubber door boots for the wires. Oh, and it's time to put
those   rebushed hinges on too.

Any tips on hanging doors? This seems to be a fairly involved process.

Plan so far:
1) Pull door panels remove wiring, vacuum hoses etc, leaving doors free for
complete removal if necessary.
2) Grease pencil the outline of existing hinges on both the body and doors for
reference. Masking tape off the edges of the door for no-chip paint safety.
3) Remove/replace one hinge at a time while my friend holds the door to
bear some of the weight.
4)Attempt to adjust only the body bolts, not the door bolts
since the doors are just sagging a bit, not out of adjustment relative to
the side of the car.
5) Do the next hinge as above
6) Install rubber boot onu the body and pull the wires/hoses through.
7) Do the other side.

Any tips or improvements to this plan? Any tricks to getting consistent
door to car clearances? Am I better off taking the doors off completely to
get the hinge in the _exactly_ the right place on the door? Should I put
_both_ hinges on the door while it's off or do one at a time while it's on
the car so as not to "lose" the door vs car position?

Thanks in advance.
cf

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:23:28 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: jason adcock

On Tuesday, September 30, 1997 10:53 AM, Patrick Flowers
[SMTP:patri63@ibm.net] wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> I'm not familiar with Outlook, but I know that MSExchange has an
option....


Jason, you can check the following:

Under the Tools menu , Options, go to the Reading tab, check to see if
you have "When replying to a message" Attach Original Message" selected.
This may be the trouble?????? There are a lot of options for Outlook 97.
If this is not the trouble, you can post a message to the Microsoft
newsgroup and someone will answer it. If you don't have access to the
newsgroup let me know and I will post it.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the...... Past

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:31:59 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Really Dumb Wiper Question

> So it sounds like I press down on the side of the coil spring with a
> screwdriver to remove the things?

If you have the design I think you have, yes.

> After all that, I realize now that I really don't like the ones 
> I bought anyway. Faced with a number of choices in the store (all 
> of them black unfortunately)

Other than an originality issue, this shouldn't be a problem; I think
your Delta hides the wipers when they're parked, right? (If they're
getting hung up on the edge of the windshield molding and not going
all the way down to their little parking bridges, that's another
problem.) Besides, I found the plastic ones tend to have a lot less
sideways slop than the metal ones, which would allow the rubber to
flop too far over as the metal arm pieces loosened with age.

> I sprung for the "metal" blades. Better than cheapie plastic
> ones I figured. Except, they come with a baggie of cheesy plastic 
> adapters to let them fit any car, none of which give me confidence.

Naaah, they'll be fine once you figure out which mount is made for
your car. (AAMOF, you might not need _any_ of those adaptors. I know
the Anco metal set I bought a while back didn't need them.)

> Funny that with Trico blades as original equipment, I don't ever 
> see their products in parts stores around here.

They used to (haven't looked recently -- might still be there)
have a line of cool-looking black metal blades, with a gold TRICO
insignia on them. Gawd, what absolute _garbage_ those were. I put
on them on three different cars -- three different sizes -- and
almost immediately all three started leaving big wide smears down
the middle. Looked like some sort of design defect with not enough
pressure exerted in the middle of the blade. I tossed them.

> "Tridon" seems to be the brand of choice in these parts, at least 
> by what I see in the stores.  That's what I got, and I'm unimpressed.

The best blades I got, and here in Chicago we _need_ good wipers nine
months out of the year, were also the cheapest: Roberk. Trak Auto used
to sell them; don't know where they are now. Anco is all right as well,
but whatever you get, buy the blade-and-refill set to start with, so
the refill part is the same brand as the blade holding it. I have yet
to find a refill that properly fits a blade of another brand.

Oh, yeah, Bosch Micro-Edge are also very good, but expensive.

> Why can't you buy anything other than black blades anyway these days?

The black color prevents annoying sunlight reflections.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:31:31 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

> Doesn't the type "O" diff have C-clip retention. If so a slide hammer is
> unnecessary. Just a thought.
> 
The "O" type has no C-clip.  Hopefully, one good tug once the retainer
is loose, you have axle/bearing in hand.  Literally.  Ch*vy is the only
rear that I know of to use a C-clip, which I believe was only in
Oldsmobiles when they were built in Cananda, as one list member
mentioned.

2 C-cents,
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:04:07 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: 1964-72 Disc Brake Conversion List... Attn: John

John,

There's two ways that you can go with your conversion:

1) If the parts you've bought are for the 11" setup, then all you need is to
install the complete knuckle assembly and rotors from any 1970-1981 Camaro
or Firebird, and you're pretty much all set.


2) If you want the 12", here's what you'll need:  (BTW, It works GREAT!!!)

* Hotchkis' Tubular A-Arm kit (with A-Arm to frame stop/bumper kit-- make
sure to get these as they're not in the basic kit!)

* Spindles, Calipers, Dust Shields, Wheel Bearings, and front-end hardware
from a 1978 or later GM full-size car (Caprice, Delta 88, etc.)

* The rotors from a '88-'92 1LE (HP) Camaro.

* Outer tie-rod ends (you keep the inners) from a '78-'88 Monte Carlo.

* Lower ball joint GM# 9767113 (can be x-referenced by other auto part
shops). The base of the lower ball joint must be machined-down to 2.010" to
fit your existing lower A-Arm.

I know that it sounds like a lot of work a little pricey, but you cannot
BELIEVE what a difference it (12" conversion) made over the '72 disc-brake
assembly conversion I previously did to my '65, which was a substantial
improvement over the original drum brakes in and of themselves.  If you can
justify the cost, go for the 12"-ers. If not, the 11" setup is definately
better than stock.

If you have any other questions, email me or call Hotchkis (who I am in no
way affiliated with BTW) directly at (562) 907-7757.

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

- --------------------------------------

John wrote:

> Has anybody done a disc brake conversion to a 69 Cutlass using 
> discbrakespindles and rotors from a second Generation F-Body?
> I bought spindles and rotors off of a 77 Firebird because my 
> friends(who have now claimed ignorance) claimed they would work great 
> to lower the car.  When I called several suspension component companies 
> they told me 3 different things. 
> 1) Might no be able to meet alignement specs.
> 2) Might have to modify lower control arm to accept F-body ball joints
> 3) Stock spindles and lowered springs will work better anyways...buy 
> our kit.
> Before I make a mistake by using these parts I would like to hear from 
> anybody who has tried a similar swap or has front spindles for sale.
> 
> My new E-Mail address is johnmonnin1@juno.com.
> 

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:05:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re: PILOT BEARINGS

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:20:07 -0400

From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com

Subject: Pilot Bearing



Anybody have the specs on drilling the crankshaft for a pilot bearing on

the "automatic" crankshafts?


Mike-  The easiest way to convert an auto crank to manual is to use our new
converter bearing.  It allows the use of an automatic crank with a 4 speed
trans.  You will need to shorten the input shaft of your Muncie by about
3/16th's of an inch.  Cost is $29 bucks and there is no need to remove the
crank from the car.  Hope this helps.  Steve Kenny-Brothers Automotive
 800-442-7278   WWW.oldsparts.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:11:49 -0700
From: Larry <dilligaf@tl.infi.net>
Subject: Re: '68 Toro cam specs; who has a '68 shop manual?

455 CU. IN. ALL EXC. W-34  One green stripe or one green and one orange
stripe

455 CU. IN. in W-34 Two white stripes or two white and one orange stripe

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:17:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Klinsmann7@aol.com
Subject: Re: `70 442 vs W-30

I dont have anything right now, its just that I want a 70 442 Convertable
with the w-30 option but since they made so few im just gonna try and get a
standard 442 convertable with the w-25 option

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:21:52 -0400
From: "Adcock, Jason K." <jadcock@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: jason adcock

Thanks for the advice, everybody, but I decided to scrap Outlook 97.  I
might have been able to find the answer through Microsoft, but there were
other problems, too.  When I would email my dad, one paragraph would be
wrod-wrapped, whereas another one would not be.  I couldn't find this
option anywhere, either.  I'm using Netscape 4.0 email now, and it seems
like a pretty solid application, so I'll stick with it for a while.  It
seems like I change email clients more than I change the oil in the Cutlass
(hmmm, I think it'll need it in 3 or 4 hundred miles...)

I always thought it'd be cool to start a thread that lasted for days, but
not this kind of thread!!!

- -- 

Jason (still ducking behind his Cutlass) Adcock
jadcock@vt.edu

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:25:54 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Color codes

Bobby,

> [SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net] wrote:
> > What does the color code "53" for a 1969 442 represent?
> >
> > Chris Sparks
> 
> The 69 and 70 Olds # 53 is Nugget Gold.

I wonder if I was reading the code correctly?  Doesn't the color
code follow the option line?  The car is currently a light blue with
light blue interior.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:51:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: CRuper1@aol.com
Subject: Re: "B" Olds Head Question

In a message dated 97-09-30 00:42:11 EDT, you write:

<< 
 All this is disassembled.  Engine had knock when cold which went away
 once warm.  One or more cylenders prob wore out.. Combo supposed to have
 around
 10,000 miles on it.  All this... $500
 
  >>

If you got all this for $500, you're doing pretty good (wouldn't mind a deal
like this to come my way.... the manifolds, and carbs are worth that much
alone....

Anyways, I'll take a shot at it, and see what others think.  I'll guess that
the cylinders aren't "worn" per se, but that maybe the bore job on them
wasn't right (unless they replaced the pistons with a stock bore TRW version,
and not boring out the block, I'm not sure what "size" those TRW's are).  If
it's the stock bore size, then yes, the bore is most likely too large for the
piston (and "knocking" until if warms up enough to fit decent...).  If it's
been bored to fit the piston (oversize pistons) then the bore was most likely
done wrong (allowing too much bore to piston clearance, that closes up enouh
when hot to stop making noise...).  The solution...   Buy oversize pistons,
bore out the block (properly), and re-assemble.

Chris Ruper

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:56:10 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Color codes

On Tuesday, September 30, 1997 12:26 PM, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)
[SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net] wrote:
> Bobby,
> 
> > [SMTP:mrada@catalina-inter.net] wrote:
> > > What does the color code "53" for a 1969 442 represent?
> > >
> > > Chris Sparks
> > 
> > The 69 and 70 Olds # 53 is Nugget Gold.
> 
> I wonder if I was reading the code correctly?  Doesn't the color
> code follow the option line?  The car is currently a light blue with
> light blue interior.
> 
> Chris Sparks


ST 70 33277 LAN 123456  BDY     1st Line
TR 0000             12    34   PNT      2nd Line
000       C08                                 3rd Line


1st Line  Model Year, series, style, plant ,Unit number
2nd Line Trim, Lower Body color, Upper Body color or Fabric Color
3rd Line Time Build Code (Month= 01-12, Week=1-4), Options code


The 70 codes are 26 for Viking blue, 25 Astro blue, 20 Azure blue, 28
Twilight blue, or 34 Reef Turq. Some of these may be the same for the
69.


Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:03:35 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod-Memories

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> Well, it's not a very big picture, but it is the only one I've seen. On p.
> 98 of the November Hot Rod, there's a picture by Petersen photographer Jim
> Kelly of John Smyser's "Terrifying Toronado", sponsored by Grant Products
> (the steering wheel people) and Spooner's Automotive of Glendora (CA?). It
> appears to be either a '66 or '67 Toronado with no hood, a supercharger and
> bugcatcher fuel-injection setup, smoking its *front* tires. It also seems to
> be wearing Halibrand 5-spoke rims of that vintage, which are obviously not
> the right offset for this car.
> 
> There is one other little detail; the driver's rollcage seems to be moved
> forward quite a bit, with a firewall behind him, and there seems to be
> something in the back seat; is that another engine back there? If so, it's
> about 8" lower than the front one, indicating that it's somehow attached to
> the rear axle by something other than a TH425. There are also hints of
> zoomie header pipes coming out just in front of the rear wheels, but the car
> still seems to use the rear leaf spring suspension. In the picture, the
> front tires are definitely smoking, but it's unclear if the rears are.
> 
> Has anyone ever seen or heard about this car, or John Smyser? Could this car
> be in any way related to the Hairy Hurst Olds? Aside from my dream of
> putting a supercharger on my '69 Toro, this car also gives me inspiration
> with those 5-spoke alloys on there; even if they don't have the proper
> offset, they do look very cool.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918


Ah, the Terrifying Toronado.  I remember seeing it here in
Nicholasville, Ky back about 66 or 67 in a match race at the now defunct
Bluegrass Drag Strip (now an industrial park) against a Mopar
frontrunner (I believe it was the Little Red Wagon or Color Me Gone,
other bad boys of the time).  The Toro had two engines mated to two
separate transmissions (I think) and would generate a LOT of HP, tire
smoke and noise.  I remember the car because it didn't fare too well
that weekend (sorry, Bob and Mike).  If anyone ever says they have the
car and original motors and are restoring it, I would have to be
somewhat skeptical.  You see, it blew up one of the motors on Friday or
Saturday night in Indiana (Muncie, I believe they said) and then
trailered to Nicholasville for the match race.  But, believe it or not
they did not have enough correct spare parts to repair the blown motor. 
This was announced over the p a system and a collective groan went out
over the crowd.  They then announced that in the spirit of competition
(and no refunds of the gate proceeds), the show would still go on.  They
were going to take the motor (parts?) out of the good engine and fix the
other one.  (I am sorry, but I don't remember which one was repaired,
but it was the one they figured would generate the best power, traction,
etc.)  Then in an effort to boost power up to where it needed to be to
run competitively, they were going to change the mixture from a 10%
additive/90% gas to a 90% additive/10% gas.  (Sorry, folks, I can't
remember what they were mixing with the gas, but Mark Prince or one of
the others probably can tell us.  Methanol or nitous comes to mind, but
I'm not sure either is correct.)  ANYWAY, they made lots of wonderful
noise, smoke and burning rubber, staged  and took off.  About 2-300 feet
down the track the Toro blew the motor with a REALLY loud bang....  Thus
ended the match race.  The Mopar made a couple more passes at about 90%
and the main event was over.  It was really neat to watch two of the
more famous drag racing cars of the time in our little old track, but
the real thrill was gone because of the Toro's problems. The funny part
was, even though I didn't know a lot about the mechanical end of it back
then, I felt like the motor wouldn't make one pass before blowing
because of the huge swing in the fuel mixture.

In answer to your questions, Bob, yes I saw it run a long time ago
(probably 1967, because I would had enough money to go to the strip as
opposed to 1966 when I was mowing yards, etc and entering college).  I
don't recall it being associated with any other organization or drag
cars.  I vaguely remember that the hood was on it as I remember seeing
them lift it up and place it to the side instead of raising it at the
hinges.  I think the car had superchargers and/or large scoops on the
top of the motors as I remember seeing the big humps standing up.  You
know, I hadn't thought about that car in many years, but I still
remember it and its' match racing buddy.  Brings back a more pleasant
time in my life when things were simple and a lot more fun.  No
mortgage, kids, responsiblities or oversized body to contend with.  Just
cruising, going fast, dating, drive-ins, parties and college.  Of course
Vietnam was going on, but if you partied enough and didn't watch/ listen
to the news it really didn't matter as much.  Sorry folks, but sometimes
the past is more fun than the present, especially since most people tend
to forget the problems and heartaches associated with growing up the
older they get.  If I remember anything else about the Toro, I'll kick
back in again.  Sorry about the length.

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:57:55 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Color codes

> > The 69 and 70 Olds # 53 is Nugget Gold.
> 
> I wonder if I was reading the code correctly?  Doesn't the color
> code follow the option line?  The car is currently a light blue with
> light blue interior.
> 
Chris, the #53 code is for Nassau Blue in 1969.  Most likely a 933
interior trim code, if bucket seats.  

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:14:44 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: jason adcock

Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the advice, everybody, but I decided to scrap Outlook 97.  I
> might have been able to find the answer through Microsoft, but there were
> other problems, too.  When I would email my dad, one paragraph would be
> wrod-wrapped, whereas another one would not be.  I couldn't find this
> option anywhere, either.  I'm using Netscape 4.0 email now, and it seems
> like a pretty solid application, so I'll stick with it for a while.  It
> seems like I change email clients more than I change the oil in the Cutlass
> (hmmm, I think it'll need it in 3 or 4 hundred miles...)
> 
> I always thought it'd be cool to start a thread that lasted for days, but
> not this kind of thread!!!
> 
> --
> 
> Jason (still ducking behind his Cutlass) Adcock
> jadcock@vt.edu

Jason, 

It looks like changing to Netscape took care of your problem.  I've been
using Netscape for about 8 months.  It hasn't made my typing any better
or faster, but that is a whole different topic.  Your old browser would
show up on my screen as a looonnnggg line instead the short no moving
version everyone else's did.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:13:54 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: Color codes

Etzel, Bobby wrote:
> 
> The 70 codes are 26 for Viking blue, 25 Astro blue, 20 Azure blue, 28
> Twilight blue, or 34 Reef Turq. Some of these may be the same for the
> 69.

Maybe somebody else on the list has the color codes for 69.

Thanks,

Chris

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:27:09 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: RE: Color codes

On Tuesday, September 30, 1997 12:58 PM, Mike Rothe
[SMTP:MROTHE@prodigy.net] wrote:
> > > The 69 and 70 Olds # 53 is Nugget Gold.
> > 
> > I wonder if I was reading the code correctly?  Doesn't the color
> > code follow the option line?  The car is currently a light blue with
> > light blue interior.
> > 
> Chris, the #53 code is for Nassau Blue in 1969.  Most likely a 933
> interior trim code, if bucket seats.  
> 
> Mike Rothe
 
Sorry if I passed along bad info here, but the chart I have said 53/03
for the 1969 Olds is Nugget Gold. Is 03 for 69 nugget gold. Maybe 53 is
used by Ch*v or Pont., which is also listed. I know they changed the
code each year for the colors.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:35:17 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Name Origins (WAS Re: "Terrifying Toronado" ... )

Speaking of Toronados, and please forgive me if this is common knowledge...

But, in next week's TV Guide, there is a little blurb on a new kid's show
for the fall season, an animated version of Zorro.

And guess what's the name of his trusty steed? ;)

Is this where Olds got the name originally?

Maybe the premise should be updated a bit then. I can see it now, Zorro
in his trusty 455 powered Toro... and leaving as his mark not a 'Z'
- -- but a rocket logo.


Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:54:27 -0500
From: Jason Beres <jberes@datamine.net>
Subject: 75 442 4-sale

No personal interest.  Just thought all would be interested:

1975 OLDS 442 COLONADE COUPE. 350, AT, console, swivel buckets, PS, PB, AC, Firehawks, super driver, very dependable. $3,000. Call before 11 p.m. CST. Hagerstown, IN.(765) 332-2438.  see at http://www.auto-rv.com

Standard disclaimer bs

Jason Beres
83 Olds Regency 98 coupe
jberes@datamine.net

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:42:14 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: my apologies to the list and a request

Gabe G Gilsrud wrote:
> 
> my deepest apologies to all members of the list.
> I have just recieved some complaints about foul messages bieng sent to
> the list and have pounded my brother for his foolishness...


Get him a ch*vy...  Ample punishment!
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:50:40 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: There's my car!

Dustin Cross wrote:
> 
> a freind of my grandmothers has a early '70s country squire, from the side
> it loooks alot like the "family truckster"  it has the woodgrain wallpaper
> all over it surrounded by real wood trim   YUCK, YUCK, YUCK!!
> 
> my poor '68 olds wagon had to sit beside this ugly beast for a while in my
> 'yard  thankfully he came and hauled it off   I was afraid whatever
> disease it had might be contagious
> 

Hmm...  Reminds me of the famous old (insert your favorite ethnicity
here;) family that went out and bought a brand new station wagon.  Got
it home, and the first thing they did was tear off all of the woodgrain
trim.  After which, they stood back and looked on.  "Ya know --insert
favorite ethnic name here--  I think it kinda looked better before we
took it out of the box..."



- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:54:29 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: TPI fro Olds?

> >Can someone tell me why there are no TPI systems available for a 350
> >Rocket, or any Olds engine (early) for that matter? 
> 
> The problem here is the manifold; the factory never produced one for an Olds
> motor, 

Actually...  In the late 70's, some Caddy's came with a port fuel
injected 350 Olds.  Analog system, rumored to run like crap, but they
~did~ make one, at least.  I'd suspect it could be adapted to modern
technology, but I've never physically seen one of these motors (be nice
to someday, though...)  Someone on the list had one for sale awhile
back, but don't recall any details...  Big project, regardless.
- -- 
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:59:18 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: Disc Brake Conv Pt. II  (Re: Ball joint ????)

General,

Nope-- it's a lower ball joint from '80 Delta 88 (2+ ton GM monoliths). One
thing I forgot to mention in my previous list is that you'll need the disc
brake booster and master cylinder from a '71-72 Cutlass/Malibu. You can go
with a factory prop. valve, but I'd recommend one from someone like 
Wildwood.

As far as the HO brake kit, this isn't it.  The cool thing here is that
everything (except Hotchkis' A-Arms of course) you need, you can get from 
any AutoZone, Napa, or GM parts house Store in the US-- No relying on some
"special" custom, proprietary part of some company that's teetering on the
verge of oblivion. Read: You'll be able to get replacement parts for YEARS
to come! All the info I've given re; this conversion is included with in the
A-Arm kit AND IT WORKS!!!

Do all the aforementioned, and with a little patience you'll have monster
braking!

Hope this is helpful!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

ps- The part number(s) for the Lower Ball Joint are the following:
    GM   9767113
    Moog K6145
    Napa 260-1130 
- ---------------------------------------------------------

At 02:24 PM 9/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Scott,
>	Is this the Vega ball joint I have heard about? B4 HO racing went under
>the carried a conversion kit. Any idea if the kits still exists. I did this
>swap on my
>Cutlass and have to do the same on a 66' Lemans this winter. That single
>cylinder
>and drum brakes sure is scary
>
>				Tanks
>				The General
>				

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:13:20 -0500
From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Subject: HEADERS THAT FIT!!!!

Like a lot of you, I've had lots of fun finding a set of headers that fit
"out of the box" with no additional modifications.  If you have a 65-72 BB
442/Cutlass, buy a set of EAGLE Headers (A division of Mr. Gasket).  As luck
would have it, I had just modified a set of Hedman's to fit my '65 442 and
had them sent-off to Jet-Coat.  The day before I get them back, a friend who
owns a bodyshop gives me a set of these Eagle headers that he had for a car
that he sold recently.  

I dusted them off, and viola-- A perfect fit with plenty of clearance for
the starter and oil filter! In fact, I didn't even have to lift the engine.
I wasted money buying Hooker Super-Comps sight unseen. The fit? Not EVEN
close, and I couldn't return them because I had Hooker send them directly to
Jet-Coat. Hedman's are ok, but there's more than a little surgery involved
to get them to fit right...

Bottom line? Save yourself the headaches that I've endured, and use Eagles!

Hope this helps!

Scott Martindale
smardale@airmail.net
1965 442 Holiday Coupe
1965 442 Convertible

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:10:25 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: All Toro heads _Not_ big-valve heads?

> I was off of the list for the summer.  Too many days of nice boating and
> drag racing!  No time for indoor stuff like computers!  Anyways I hope
> everyone had a great summer and that Lansing was fun.  It is good to be
> back.  Is Charley B. still bashing Chevys??!!!!

Of course ;)  Would you expect any less?  :)
Welcome back!  Hope the summer went great!
   

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:13:06 -0600
From: Charley Buehner <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod-Memories

Don Sowers wrote:
> 
> Robert Barry wrote:
> >
> > Well, it's not a very big picture, but it is the only one I've seen. On p.
> > 98 of the November Hot Rod, there's a picture by Petersen photographer Jim
> > Kelly of John Smyser's "Terrifying Toronado"

I haven't seen the issue yet, but is this the same critter in question
here???

http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/dragtoro.jpg
    
             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
             Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
	     "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
               	     Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:21:57 -0500 (EST)
From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Subject: Re: jason adcock

As for what I use, I almost always use Pine (except for mail from the
Rocketmail account of course) yep, old, dos based Pine version 3.95.  It
is one of the quicker running programs even when slowed down by this 486DX
I'm typing on.  (In an old timers teeth missing uncomprehendably strong
accent of a voice) I don't need none of them new-fangled microsoftified,
windowsified  mail programs!  ;-)

The only thing I have trouble doing with Pine is forwarding items that
aren't already uploaded into my school account (but then I have Rocketmail
for that).  ;-)  Oh, and also, if anybody sends html code for a message, I
have to save it and open it up in Netscape, but I think that has only
happened like 2 or 3 times.

Mailer never sends extra attachments of anything (heck, I don't know if 
it can it even send attachements -- kidding) :-).  

Oh, and BTW, I didn't have any problems at all from Jason's attachments...
they downloaded fine, and deleted fine.  In fact, I didn't even notice
they contained attachments until someone else mentioned it.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com


On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Don Sowers wrote:

> Adcock, Jason K. wrote:
> > 
> > Thanks for the advice, everybody, but I decided to scrap Outlook 97.  I
> > might have been able to find the answer through Microsoft, but there were
> > other problems, too.  When I would email my dad, one paragraph would be
> > wrod-wrapped, whereas another one would not be.  I couldn't find this
> > option anywhere, either.  I'm using Netscape 4.0 email now, and it seems
> > like a pretty solid application, so I'll stick with it for a while.  It
> > seems like I change email clients more than I change the oil in the Cutlass
> > (hmmm, I think it'll need it in 3 or 4 hundred miles...)
> > 
> > I always thought it'd be cool to start a thread that lasted for days, but
> > not this kind of thread!!!
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Jason (still ducking behind his Cutlass) Adcock
> > jadcock@vt.edu
> 
> Jason, 
> 
> It looks like changing to Netscape took care of your problem.  I've been
> using Netscape for about 8 months.  It hasn't made my typing any better
> or faster, but that is a whole different topic.  Your old browser would
> show up on my screen as a looonnnggg line instead the short no moving
> version everyone else's did.
> 

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:42:19 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Another 200,000 mile Oldsmobile

Although not a rare occurance in the Olds world, my '77 Delta 88 passed 
the 200,000 mile mark last night! Never opened Olds 403 and TH-350.
Still 
lights 'em up now and then.

I gave it the day off today! :)
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:08:35 -0400
From: "Kerr, Brian (R)" <kerrb@basf-corp.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Assembly Manual

     Thanks to Steve, Paul. KR442 and others for your replies to my 
question. I will get one from Yr 1 or Kanters or someone. On the other hand 
If there is a deal on a sport steering wheel out there....please call me 
Thursday or Friday at 1800 565 9586

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:38:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 W-30 Q jet

In a message dated 97-09-30 01:28:58 EDT, you write:

<< Wondering if anyone has the correct #'s for 72 w-30 Q jet carburator for
 both the Auto and 4 speed cars?
 
 Al Sutton >>
7042251 is for the automatic and all 455's for 72 and 7042953 is the  4 speed

only carb number

W MACHINES
Two 1972 442 W-30's

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:51:32 -0500
From: "David Brown (the Olds FAQ compiler)" <dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Carburator Question

Sounds like you need to check out your choke for proper operation.
- ----------
Check the condition of the choke tubes as well. Make sure they are not
rusted through (like where they enter the intake manifold).
- --
David Brown     Mailto:dbrown@mailhub.mcis.uchicago.edu
         Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall

Conserve some bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
             ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:44:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Quadrabog??  Any ideas?

In a message dated 97-09-30 08:50:31 EDT, you write:

<< Check the acc' pump. Make sure it pumps fuel at the first movement of the
 throttle. There should be no slack in the linkage.
  >>
The problem could be that the secondaries are kicking in too fast.
on the passenger side of the carb there is a little screw on the side and an
allen head screw facing the intake.  This controls the spring tension on the
secondary butterflies.  If you tighten up the spring, then the secondaries
will kick in
later and help ease any bog.  lighten them if your car needs more fuel.  Best
thing to do is when you jump on the car, and it bogs. pull to the side and
check one of the spark plugs, see if its fouled out with gas or if it is
white showing its running lean

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:44:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: last chance to Vote Olds

In a message dated 97-09-30 08:52:07 EDT, you write:

<< With all this advertising, I do hope you win. My 2 votes are in. Good
 luck. If you win Mark, you owe all of us a ride! Me first... >>
NO PROBLEM,take anyone that wants a ride here in the Detroit area


W MACHINES

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:42:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: '71 Cutlass Steering Wheel 

From Doug Kitchener...

H*lp!  Got a mystery for you... what style deluxe steering wheel did
the '71 Cutlass use... the same as used in '70, or the same as used in
'72?  
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Our '71 Supreme has the same steering wheel as a '70. I believe this
car is pretty virginal....it even has the original spare...but one can
never be sure!

===
John Pajak                       Information Spectrum Inc.
Network Installation Team
Naval Air Station, Patuxent River, Maryland

HTTP://members.tripod,com/~JSPajak

JSPajak@rocketmail.com

_____________________________________________________________________
Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:47:31 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: hurst olds found 

1975 Hurst/Olds 91,000 miles, original everything ie: dual gate, swivel
buckets, ect.  Car is black and gold w/ white interior.  W-25 in gold on
fenders.  1/4 black landau top.  T-tops.   Original paint is in very
good shape as is the interior.  Motor is blown, as in not running :). 
Only thing I could find missing was the hood ornament.
A steal at $2,500.  Possibly can be had for less.

Contact:
Ray's Auto Sales
1650 Mentor Ave.
Painesville, Ohio
44077
216-942-1107

also found (but not diry cheap like above.. )

 1969 442 Gold/Gold, flawless, build sheet, ASKING 10,000 

For details contact:
Dave
216-593-3012

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:05:22 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: Top Speed 

Igor wrote:
> 
> I was wondering if someone could tell me how much limited will my top speed
> be when I upgrade to a 3.73 rear from a 2.73 that is in my 307, 81 Delta 88
> with the th250.  Also, if I got the overdrive, would it help much.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88 307
> 1995 Intrepid
> 1976 Delta 88 455I did the exact same thing to my 71 monte carlo it had a 12 bolt 273 
gear...I bumped up to a 3.73 gear ratio it killed the top end but it 
sure woke up the performance outta the hole...even though the behemoth 
has a 6 ft long hood and weighs close to 4k pounds...I think the top end 
might be close to 100 at 5k but what a ride getting there.....Hoagie

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:31:18 -0700
From: "David, Terri and Rob" <hoagie@emeraldis.com>
Subject: Re: 1970  Cutlass SX convertible for sale

Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> >hey fellow oldsmobile obssessionist,
> >       I have a 1970 Cutlass SX convertible I would like to sell, its a numbers
> matching car, 2 bbl carb,
> >rare...made 1st 6 months of 70,1 of 743 built for 70, have original window
> sticker, build sheet,protecto
> >plate, 4th owner, lifelong southern car (Greensboro,N.C.) have spent over a
> year and
> 
> Hmm, sound just like the car I have a hardtop version of (well, except for
> the condition...).
> 
> >modulator,driveshaft removed and detailed also,car has every available
> option including power 4-way bench seat
> >with center armrest, power windows, power locks, power top, power front
> disc brakes,
> Huh. Bench seat? I had thought that buckets and the console were standard
> equipment. Do you have a column shifter as well? My car had very few
> options, but did come with the console. Oh, well, learn something new every day.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918this car came with the OPTIONAL bench seat, yes and a tilt 
steeering column...it has every available olds  luxury option available 
in 1970 except for the 8 track tape player...which I beleive was 
available for 1970 models....hoagie

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:37:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mancinj@aol.com
Subject: Yep, 200,000 mi.

YEE-HA!

I took my '72 H/O off the road for a restoration at 196,000 mi. As a last
fling, we saw 100 mph down I-16 on it's last trip. Not too bad for a car that
was owned by one high school kid after another for most of it's life!

Jay

'72 H/O
'90 Calais Q4
'92 Town & Country (the wife's kid hauler)

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:59:47 -0300
From: Raul Martinez <rmart@satlink.com>
Subject: RE: Export Engine Horsepower Ratings

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	Anyway as a reference which will be the HP rating for a 425 2bbl domestic?
	Thanks

- -----Mensaje original-----
De:	Paul Hartlieb [SMTP:plh@nbn.net]
Enviado el:	Lunes 29 de Septiembre de 1997 19:22
Para:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Asunto:	Export Engine Horsepower Ratings

This is for the fella that was asking about these ratings over the
weekend.  My "Catalog of American Car ID Numbers 1960-69" lists the
horsepower ratings for all '66 Olds engines, except export engines. 
Sorry, I thought I had this licked, but all the export engines have
little hash marks. :(

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
plh@nbn.net
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe
'72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:34:14 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Problem - 1989 Cutlass Supreme - New ECM? 

Another question for the Oldsmobile knowledge base.  Reply directly to
Steve as he is not a member.
=====================================
Subject: 1989 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme International
  Date:  Thu, 25 Sep 1997 14:03:53 -0400
  From:  Stephen Watkins <Tazmanjx@aol.com>
    To:  brad442@erols.com

Dear Brad-
I'm having a problem with my car. I sent email to Oldsmobile, they gave
me your web site adx and said you might be able to help. if you could I
would be appreciative.
I have a 1989 Cutlass Supreme International and I'm having problems with
the ECM- the "Service Light" comes on and the digital dash and A/C stops
working and it goes into default mode. It will run like that for a while
then go back to running correctly.
I checked the service codes and it said that it was the EEPROM (code
51). I replaced the EEPROM and it is still doing the same thing.
My questions are:
   -Is there something else that would set the "51 Code" in the ECM?
   -Do I need to replace the whole ECM?
   -Can the ECM be sent in for diagnostics and/or repair?
   -Is this a common or familiar?

Any information regarding this problem would be helpful and appreciated.

Thank you-
Stephen Watkins
TazmanJX@aol.com
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| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 18:12:35 -0500
From: "M&D Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Rear axle seal

Thanks for all the help and ideas on getting the axle out; you're right
Mike, the type "O" doesn't have the "C" clips, just the four nuts from the
retainer to the backing plate. The last time I did this, I had to really
bounce the hammer back and forth to break the bearing loose. The reversed
brake drum sounds like it will work wonders, especially if it's not as tight
as last time. The guy who sold me the posi rear end said he had replaced the
bearings and pinion seal (confirmed), but he either didn't replace the axle
seals, or nicked one reinstalling the axle.

Mick Gillespie, Columbus, Indiana
69 Cutlass S convertible
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm




>> Doesn't the type "O" diff have C-clip retention. If so a slide hammer is
>> unnecessary. Just a thought.
>>
>The "O" type has no C-clip.  Hopefully, one good tug once the retainer
>is loose, you have axle/bearing in hand.  Literally.  Ch*vy is the only
>rear that I know of to use a C-clip, which I believe was only in
>Oldsmobiles when they were built in Cananda, as one list member
>mentioned.
>
>2 C-cents,
>Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:35:13 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: "Terrifying Toronado" in this month's Hot Rod

> Well, it's not a very big picture, but it is the only one I've seen. On
p.
> 98 of the November Hot Rod, there's a picture by Petersen photographer
Jim
> Kelly of John Smyser's "Terrifying Toronado", sponsored by Grant Products
> (the steering wheel people) ... 
> Has anyone ever seen or heard about this car, or John Smyser? 

> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu


There's a couple of articles about these cars (I believe 2 of them were
made) in "Oldsmobile: The Performance Years".  Several pictures and lots of
detail.  I scanned these pages last year and have them in .jpg format.  Six
pages, about 1 MB all together.  If anyone wants them, let me know, I'll
send them as e-mail attachments.  NO, I won't sent them to the lists, Greg
and Mike.  

BTW, it's not the same as what Charley has on his web page.  

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 19:57:41 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: For Sale: 866 F-85 sedan (forwarded)

Any Takers?
=============================================
Subject: Sale of Olds
  Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:31:40 -0500
  From: "J.C.Reynolds" <jcreynolds@sprintmail.com>
    To: brad442@erols.com


Brad, my mom is trying to sell a practically restored "cherry" 1966     
F-85 Cutlus sedan. She is 76, can't drive anymore and is the original 
owner.I told her I would see what I could do on the web.She lives in
the S.F.Bay area.You're my first stop on the web. If there are any ideas
or suggestions on how I can help her sell this classic to someone who
appreciates and cares for fine automobiles, I would appreciate it.
Please E-mail me at: jcreynolds@sprintmail.com
- -- 

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:00:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: Crown14@aol.com
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Bumperettes

Jay,

The rubber on the bumperettes isn't perfect, but it's nowhere near mangled.
 The chrome is also 25 years old but still bueatiful- there's no rust stains
or rust spots at all.  (Except on the back, which is not visible on the car.)
As for that blower, I think I can handle the installation... I have the
factory assembly manual.  Sounds like a decent trade to me- I'd like to have
a rare option like that in my car.  
I was just looking in my manual and I found that cars with that rear defogger
had a special regulator on the firewall (voltage regulator???)- part number
1119519 instead of 1119515. That is the large relay with the radio capacitor
sticking up off it.  There is another defogger relay to the left of that
which is also needed- it is part number 403651.  And a wire which connects to
the junction block from that defogger relay- there is a odd looking plug in
the middle of that wire.  And because I have A/C too, another relay under the
big (voltage???) regulator- part number 413047.  Also I do not have any idea
where the vents or the blower goes.  I assume that they go somewhere in the
trunk, maybe they screw down.  In that case I'll need the screws too.
 Actually, maybe all those regulators and relays aren't neccessary.  I just
double checked and the blower type defroster is a dealer installed option.  I
think all the relays and stuff may have been for the factory option
wire-fused-in-glass type defroster.
Is there any way you can check and see if the blower works for sure?  I just
want to be very thorough because this blower setup seems very complex and I
would hate to get it only to find that the voltage regulator and other
components on my Olds don't work the blower.  You understand what I mean.

Thanks,

Joel


P.S.-  Write me back and tell me about your Olds.

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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 20:02:01 -0400
From: "Bradford W. Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: Need '53 trans repair kit (forwrded)

Hey - Oldsmobiles are worldwide.  Check this out and if anyone can help,
reply to the gentleman directly

Subject: Automatic Transmission Olds 53
  Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:37:04 -0500
  From: "Jose david Escobar P." <paucar@epm.net.co>
    To: <brad442@EROLS.COM>
    CC: <dmr6744@AOL.COM>, <lewman@mindpulse.com>,
<oldsman68@HOTMAIL.COM>, <dj442@ix.netcom.com>, <jjcooper@hol.fr>


I'm loooking for an automatic transmission Hidra-Matic-drive Single
coopling type reparation kit, for my olds 88 coupe V8 1953. I will be
grateful if you can help me. Here in Colombia is very difficult find
this
part.

Luis Fernando Restrepo
paucar@epm.net.co
Medellín-Colombia
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 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eight Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
e-Mail: brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442
Official OCA Web Site - http://www.erols.com/brad442/oca

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