
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 15 1997       Volume 01 : Number 801



Re: Some Questions
Re: Hello and Olds ad
unsubscribe
Re: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (RESPONSE REAL SHORT)
Re: 72 442 convertible frames
UNBOUNCE: '68 Toro W34 motor spotted
8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
Woodward Dream Cruise
Old Olds for sale
(NON OLDS) But funny
Re: Woodward Dream Cruise
Posi rears
RE: 72 442 convertible frames
Re: Woodward Dream Cruise
Upcoming Chicago Tribune Olds Feature Article
Time period road tests
Re: Sparkmobile Update
Re: Squealing_fans
RE: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (REAL LONG)
Re: Time period road tests
Re: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (REAL LONG)
Re: Signing Off For a Coupla Weeks
Re: 72 442 convertible frames
Re: 68 OLDS 455
Re: O.A.I. letters painted?
script in Lansing?
Re: North/South
Gettin' Together
Re: Posi rears
Re: Sparkmobile Update
Re: 72 442 convertible frames
Re: (NON OLDS) But funny
Carb Shop HEI
Re[2]: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (REAL LONG)
Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
Fusick Web Address
Re: 68 OLDS 455
Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
Re: script in Lansing?
Re: O.A.I. letters painted?
Reply: Woodward Dream Cruise
Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
Re: Carb Shop HEI
Chromeplated bumpers 1970 Cutlass
Lansing 100th Questions
Re: Lansing 100th Questions
Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
RE: carbs
RE: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
Re: Non-Olds: Part needed badly!
Re: Squealing_fans
Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
Last Chance
Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
1/4 mile times
how to build 475hp 455 for street
Re: 1/4 mile times

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 05:37:02 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Some Questions

>I am restoring a 1966 Dynamic 88 convertable.  I brought the car without and
>engine or transmission.  Later I found a 1967 Toronado with the 425 inch
>motor.  I have since pulled the engine from the Toro and it now sits on the
>engine stand.  I have a TH400 trans for it,  but before I put the two
>together,  can I use the Toronado flywheel with the TH400 transmission?  I

Yes, the flywheel/flexplate will work.

>have the starter for the Dynamic and for the Toro,  are they different
>besides the Toro starter being on the right side and the Dynamic on the left?

The starters are entirely different; the Toro unit bolts to the bellhousing,
while the 88 starter (and all non-Toro starters) bolts to the block itself.
The Toro block will have the holes tapped for the non-Toro starter, though,
so just order one from the parts store. Make sure they give you a big-block
starter, which is longer than the otherwise-identical small-block starter.

> Also,  I need a different fuel pump.  The Toronado pump has three fuel lines
>(it had air conditioning) and my Dynamic dosen't have a return line (no air)
> What type of fuel pump do I get?  Toronado without air or Dynamic without
>air?  Will the Toronado pump without air still have a return line?  I hope
>you help me get this ride on the road once again.

Get the fuel pump for your car, not for the engine. I suppose that the Toro
unit without air will be the same as the unit for the Dynamic without air.
Have the parts guy check the applications for both, and see if they are
identical. The possible difference might be the location and angle of the
fuel outlet to the carb, which would require that you rebend the original
line, or bend up a new line.

One other thing to look at is where the Toronado oil filter mount will place
the filter, since it sits further out from the block and points forward. On
a Cutlass, this might interfere with the lower control-arm mount when the
engine torques; on an 88, check for interference with the exhaust pipe. You
can use any "normal" non-Toro oil filter mount in its place, if there is
interference.

Also, make sure that the front engine-mount doesn't interfere with the
steering linkage or the crossmember; you may have to pull the harmonic
balancer forward a bit to get some of the bolts off, but if you pull it off
just far enough, you can use the crank bolt to tighten it back into place.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:09:34 -0700
From: "Jim" <jim@theriver.net>
Subject: Re: Hello and Olds ad

- ----------
> From: Paul Tews <102073.1575@CompuServe.COM>
> To: oldsmobile-digest <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Hello and Olds ad
> Date: Thursday, August 14, 1997 9:20 PM
> 
>    First I would like to say hello to everyone on the list as this is my
first
> post.
> I have been monitering the digest for some time now and would have liked
to 
> post something sooner. But I am usually several days behind any current
threads
> as I download several digests into an ancient (nearly runs on kerosene)
laptop
> and read them all at once at work once or twice a week. I work at Walt
Disney
> World as a Monorail Systems Specialist and we have to take turns sitting
at the
> station just waiting to respond when a train has a problem. Which leads
me to 
> the other half of my subject. Here at WDW we have a cast (employee) paper
> called " Eyes & Ears " which features articles about WDW happenings and
> cast members can run free classified ads. In this weeks edition there is
an ad
> for a:
>     `68 Oldsmobile Delmont 88 - ps, pb, convertible, new top.
941/424-0193.
> I know nothing about this car or it`s owner. My interest is in helping an
Olds
> enthusiast to hook up with a cast member.
>    My ride is a `69 Cutlass S Convertible with gold paint and white
interior and
> top. "Nugget" has a 350 2-barrel with HEI, and I beleave the Jet-a-way
auto-
> matic. The paint was redone by the former owner and the interior was
redone 
> locally but not to restoration. I have picked up a `68 455 BB with `C`
heads
> and what I am told is a 3:55 posi from a `72 Ch*v*ll* that will bolt
right in.
> Some 
> financial setbacks have delayed installations and now 6 day workweeks
> due to undermanning are taking their toll on my time( BTW Disney is
hiring
> if any mechanics are looking.) but are fixing the finances.
>    Hope this isn`t too long. If anyone want me to look at the car for
them
> E-mail
> me at 102073.1575@compuserve.com as I won`t be reading the digest again 
> until next week.
> 
> 			Happy Oldsmobiling
> Paul (2s) Tews
> Orlando,Fl.
> `69 Cutlass S Convert.
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:11:04 -0700
From: "Jim" <jim@theriver.net>
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:16:07 -0400
From: "MROTHE" <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (RESPONSE REAL SHORT)

Bob, I stand and applaud you. (and your wife for putting up with it).  It's
hard to convince the wife at this point that she'll be lookin' good one day
ridin' down the road in a rocket!

It will pay off.  Trust me.  One thing I learned a long time ago.  If you
try to stick to a schedule, then multiply the time and $$ required by
3.........

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 02:38:57 +0000
From: mackk@netinc.ca
Subject: Re: 72 442 convertible frames

dhamlett@mitec.net wrote:
> 
> mackk@netinc.ca wrote:
> >
> > Ok, I have a southern A-body frame I picked up a while ago, and I was
> > told it was off a 72 cutlass. If I want to build a 72 442 convertible
> > though, will there be problems because of the difference of frames
> > between hardtops and convertibles?? Are the body mount holes different
> > or something? Thanx for any help.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > * 72 Cutlass Supreme *
> 
> The body might mount up the same, but if you try and drop a convertible
> body on that frame your gonna have a major problem really quickly.  The
> body will sag and the doors probably wont even shit right because that
> frame is lacking the boxed rails that go underneath the floorpan
> section.  Sorry.
> 
> --
> 
> -----------------------------------------
>       Dan Hamlett
>       1966 Cutlass Convertible
>       1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
>       mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
>       http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
> -----------------------------------------


Is the body that heavy? What about just welding a piece in there?

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:17:29 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '68 Toro W34 motor spotted

Forwarding, header line too long...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: '68 Toro W34 425 motor spotted
Date:	Fri, 15 Aug 1997 01:03:48 -0400 (EDT)
From:	"Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>

  68 Olds Service Manual "error" ?

Glancing thru the 68 SM the other day, I saw a photo alleging to be the '68 W34
motor.  Beginning of the Toronado motor section, I believe. Yet, what they show
is clearly a '67 Toronado 425 motor! (OK, it could be a pre-68 400 motor also.)
Boy, they look alike at first glance, so they figured, "hey, who will ever
know?". Well, *I* do. That's not a 455 at all, itÕs a sham, a leftover 425 that
they dressed up with an OAI intake for photo purposes.
  Not that it matters a lot of course. Brings up the key ID features that
 distinguish a 425 from a 455 at first glance.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:17:19 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

Hey, anyone know what a 8.51 @ 82.7mph is about in the 1/4 mile?  I had another run at 8.6 @ 83.3.

thanks,
greg

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:32:35 -0500
From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Woodward Dream Cruise

Last year there were about 20 oldsmobiles at 13 & Woodward, is the same
space going to be used for oldsmobiles.  I have a very nice 1969 442
convertible that I would like to park there for most of the day.  Is
there anything I can do to get a space there, Besides get there at 
6 a.m. 

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:54:14 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: Old Olds for sale

More Olds cars for sale from  Classifieds2000,

1957 Oldsmobile Super 88, 41K miles, $13,500, Bend, Oregon
Day: (541) 419-7303  Eve: (541) 389-7395  Mail: fleet@bendnet.com
1949 Oldsmobile Futuramic, 49K miles, $8,250, Whiteland, Indiana
I think this one is interesting, so I copied the other information 
from their Web site. Someone grab your surf-boards and go check this 
one out. Here it is:

Car

1949, Oldsmobile Futuramic Woody Wagon, 49K miles, $8,250/OBO

               Options
                             Green exterior, Tan interior
                             Station Wagon
                             Classic Car
                             Four Door
                             Manual Transmission

               Description
Olds Woody Wagon, 6 cyl., 3 spd., med. Green metallic paint, wood is 
in decent shape, new carpet and headliner, most of the original 
leather seats are in good condition, drives great, go anywhere, not a 
show car, but nice, trades considered.

               Seller Info
                             For sale by Dealer
                             (317) 535-7056 [Day]
                             (317) 535-7813 [Eve]
                             jdunn@iquest.net
                             Whiteland, Indiana 46184
Mail: jdunn@iquest.net
To view the complete ads, go to:
http://www.classifieds2000.com/cgi-cls/Search.exe?135890+13-AUG-97


Bobby
70 442 Escape Back to the.....Past

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:06:55 -0400
From: "Etzel, Bobby" <Bobby.Etzel@GSC.GTE.Com>
Subject: (NON OLDS) But funny

Its Friday maybe one joke won't hurt???

Best of Dear Abby.......

DEAR ABBY:
.....I was married to Bill for three months and I didn't know he drank 
until one night he came home sober.

     -----
DEAR ABBY:
.....I suspected that my husband had been fooling around, and when I 
confronted him with the evidence he denied everything and said it 
would never happen again.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
.....My forty-year-old son has been paying a psychiatrist $50 an hour 
every week for two-and-a-half years. He must be crazy.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
.....I have a man I never could trust. Why, he cheats so much I'm not 
even sure this baby I'm carrying is his.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
.....I am a twenty-three-year-old liberated woman who has been on the 
pill for two years.  It's getting expensive and I think my boyfriend 
should share half the cost, but I don't know him well enough to 
discuss money with him.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
A couple of women moved in across the hall from me.  One is a 
middle-aged gym teacher and the other is a social worker in her 
mid-twenties.  These two women go everywhere together and I've never 
seen a man go into their apartment or come out.  Do you think they 
could be Lebanese?
CURIOUS
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
My mother is mean and short-tempered. I think she is going through her 
mental pause.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
>>     I met this nice guy who was in the service. He's the chief 
petting
>>     officer.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
Are birth control pills deductible?
KAY
Dear KAY: Only if they don't work.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
I know boys will be boys, but my 'boy' is seventy-three and he's still 
chasing women. Any suggestions?
ANNIE
Dear ANNIE: Don't worry. My dog has been chasing cars for years, but 
if he ever caught one, he wouldn't know what to do with it.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
Do you think it would be all right if I gave my doctor a little gift? 
 I tried for years to get pregnant and couldn't and he finally did 
it.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
Our son was married in January. Five months later his wife had a 
ten-pound baby girl. They said the baby was premature. Tell me, can a 
baby this big be that early?	     WONDERING Dear WONDERING: The baby 
was on time, the wedding was late.  Forget it.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
Do you think about dying much?
CURIOUS
Dear CURIOUS: No, it's the last thing I want to do.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
Is it possible for a man to be in love with two women at the same 
time?
JAKE
Dear JAKE: Yes, and also hazardous.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
I have always wanted to have my family history traced, but I can't 
afford to spend a lot of money to do it. Any suggestions?
SAM IN CAL.
Dear SAM: Yes. Run for public office.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
What inspires you most to write?     TED Dear TED: The Bureau of 
Internal Revenue.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
I am forty-four years old and I would like to meet a man my age with
no
bad habits.     ROSE
Dear ROSE: So would I.
     -----

DEAR ABBY:
What's the difference between a wife and a mistress?     BESS Dear 
BESS: Night and day.

Bobby

70 442 Escape Back to the....Past

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:58:10 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Woodward Dream Cruise

Hi Pat,

The Firestone shop at 13 & woodward is where I was invited to.  I "was' 
planning on taking my car at about the same time, but it's suppose to 
rain.

I won't drive the Olds if it rains!  :(

This damm MI weather is enough to make someone want to move.  Going to 
be bright and sunny Monday and Tuesday though!!!

I am going to Lansing.  Are you?

As far as I know, 6am sounds about right.  I was told the spots usually 
fill up by 7am.


RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:25:06 -0500
From: Matt Cremean <ccremean@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>
Subject: Posi rears

Does anybody know what ratios of posi GM made in '73? I'd like to get a
posi rear, I have a 3.08 rear ratio now. Does posi even come at this
ratio? Or, should I look for a quicker gear? I'm sick of "one-wheel
peel"!
- -- 
**********************************
Matt Cremean
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
CreamerSoftŠ Software
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5988/creamersoft.html
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/73olds.html
**********************************

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:38:27 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: 72 442 convertible frames

The convertible frame is a boxed frame style along the center runners,
the frame you have is a C channel frame style. They are both identical
in  length and width but in strength they are different. If you use this
frame to make a convertible the frame will bend especially if you
accelerate very quickly of the start. In fact it may brake the frame
eventually.The doors may not line up properly either. My suggestion to
you is not to use this frame for a convertible. You will be very
disappointed if you do.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	mackk@netinc.ca[SMTP:mackk@netinc.ca]
> Sent: 	Thursday, August 14, 1997 5:22 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	72 442 convertible frames
> 
> Ok, I have a southern A-body frame I picked up a while ago, and I was
> told it was off a 72 cutlass. If I want to build a 72 442 convertible
> though, will there be problems because of the difference of frames
> between hardtops and convertibles?? Are the body mount holes different
> or something? Thanx for any help.
> 
> Ken
> 
> * 72 Cutlass Supreme *
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:51:10 -0400
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: Woodward Dream Cruise

	Pat,
		Yes, there will be approx. 7-10 at a round 4:30AM Saturday
morning to get that area, hopefully it will be open. I except about 20-25 Olds
by 10am.

       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
          Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 W30 stick ~ Red (of course)

           (drdecal@juno.com) or (mcornea@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

            OCA# 4903
       	    OPC# 14
       ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

On Aug 15,  8:32am, Patrick Derkacz wrote:
> Subject: Woodward Dream Cruise
> Last year there were about 20 oldsmobiles at 13 & Woodward, is the same
> space going to be used for oldsmobiles.  I have a very nice 1969 442
> convertible that I would like to park there for most of the day.  Is
> there anything I can do to get a space there, Besides get there at
> 6 a.m.
>
> patrickd@wwnet.com
>-- End of excerpt from Patrick Derkacz

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:54:04 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Upcoming Chicago Tribune Olds Feature Article

Just FYI, this coming Sunday (August 17, 1997, if you're reading this
late) the Sunday Chicago Tribune's Transportation section will have a
feature article on Olds' 100th anniversary, described as a retelling
of where Olds has come from in the past 100 years and where they're
going in the next 100 years. I think this will probably be available
in some form over the web via http://www.chicago.tribune.com as well.

Unrelated comment #1: Jeez, I skip work for one day and I have almost
200 of what appear to be mostly Olds postings in my email!

Unrelated comment #2: Anyone know if Honda Civics and Accords from
about 1986 onwards are interference design or not? (Re: Timing belts)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 08:58:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: Donald B Cart <dcart@micro.ti.com>
Subject: Time period road tests

 The time period review were very interesting. Thanks for digging them
up Joe. I noticed for the 70 W30 they shaved 0.8 sec off the 1/4 time
by "specially" balancing the engine (whatever that means) and using 
headers. I wonder how much of the improvement was due to the engine
balancing vs. header.

Don

>    ______________________________________________________________________
>     
>     70 W-30            Road Test               March 1970
>     
>     455/4 spd          3.91:1 final drive      G70-14 Polyglass Goodyears
>     
>     "After experimenting with a variety of traction surfaces, ROAD TEST 
>     was able to come up with some 1/4 mile et's worthy of this car.  The 
>     best was 14.2 sec (at 102.14 mph).  Olds engineers have done a bit 
>     better with the car, which is an engineering test vehicle, with their 
>     lowest et being 13.7...  With an identical W-30 which had a specially 
>     balanced engine plus exhaust headers, a record low et of 12.90 for the 
>     1/4 mile has been posted."
>     ______________________________________________________________________

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:05:12 -0500
From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeff.Easton@abbott.com>
Subject: Re: Sparkmobile Update

From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>

>Yes, there was crossfire and after installing the new Packard Bell/Delco
plug wires that
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^
Uh-oh.  There goes the quality at Delco...  :-)

- -Jeff (who actually worked for PB for 3 months, the time it took them to
dismantle
       their acquisition)

1970 442 4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:13:32 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Squealing_fans

>The fans in both my 1967 Cutlass and 1972 Gran Sport have decided to go 
>south on me. 
>
> - the Cutlass kinda 'whimpers' at low speeds, but goes away after the fan 
>   is turned up on high for a while.

Yeah, as it warms up a bit, the tolerances relax and it smoothes out.
It'll probably do this for quite a while before it eventually barfs,
but on cold winter mornings (if you have any), it'll be a lot worse.
 
> - the GS has a high pitched squeal when the ignition is turned on. After it
>   is turned up to high, the noise increases and then after a few minutes 
>   fades away and the speed can be lowered. Sometimes the squeal will come
>   back but a quick burst on high will cure it again. 

These bearings are even worse than patient #1 above; the fan shaft is
so loose that it chatters, but if it gets spun up enough its own inertia
will hold it more or less centered and stop it from snagging the bearing.

>     Spray WD40 into the air plenum while the fan is on high and the 
>     lubricant will be drawn in to quiet the fan. 
>
>This does not seem reasonable.

I don't think so either, especially after having opened these things
up and seeing where the air goes vs. where the bearings are. There is
a little rubber elbow-shaped cooling duct that diverts a little air
to the rear of the motor housing for cooling, but I think you'd have
to have a major fog of WD-40 going through there in order to do much
good. Plus WD-40 is a water-displacement treatment, not a lubricant,
and although we've successfully used it to lubricate dried-out clock
mechanisms, I doubt it would last very long in a blower motor. I've
manually dripped motor oil right into a blower motor bearing set and
even that didn't last very long.

> - If the bearings are open, the fan rotation would tend to blow WD40 away 
>   from the bearings rather than suck it into them, so all I can see this 
>   accomplishing is to coat the upholstery with a film of WD40.

I don't think it would be quite that bad, but it would make the car
smell funny for a while.

>Does anybody have any practical experience with this 'trick'? 

I'd bite the bullet and replace the thing, especially if you're going
to be using it a lot this winter. (And as for the '72, you may be able
to go in behind the wheel well and avoid removing the fender.)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:22:35 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (REAL LONG)

Well Robert,
	I managed to read the entire "saga" and I must say that your
adventures did bring back a few memories I've my own that were similar
to yours. Just a few weeks ago I found myself at a scrap yard pulling
parts. I hadn't done this in years. The last time must have been 4 years
ago. It's funny, as your car becomes more complete, you become more, as
you put it "clear-headed". I ask myself, would I be doing what you just
did? Not sure, although I'm more clear-headed than you as my car is 95%
complete. Put a '72 442 455 W-30 convert in my midst and I'm sure I will
recant and become all fogged up again! Not sure my wife would put up
with any more. I'm almost out of room....

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 10:22:06 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re: Time period road tests

 The time period review were very interesting. Thanks for digging them
up Joe. I noticed for the 70 W30 they shaved 0.8 sec off the 1/4 time 
by "specially" balancing the engine (whatever that means) and using 
headers. I wonder how much of the improvement was due to the engine 
balancing vs. header.
     
Don
     
     Don,
     
     I share your curiosity.  Unfortunately, I quoted the entire reference 
     in my post, so we'll never know.  I'm guessing that what really 
     happened was the car was treated to an NHRA Stock Class blueprinting, 
     involving setting all tolerances to the factory optimum.  NHRA Stock 
     cars in the same class (HP to weight) as the W-30 typically run in the 
     12s with blueprinting, open headers, and slicks.  The thing I found 
     even more interesting was the fact that driving technique in the same 
     car (magazine staffers vs Olds engineers) produced a half second 
     difference in quarter mile times (14.2 vs 13.7).  The recurring theme 
     in all of these articles was the lack of traction on the factory tires 
     and the need to find the right launch technique to minimize wheelspin.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:00:53 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (REAL LONG)

Before I bought my car I wondered, "should I buy one that's correctly restored, 
or spend less now and buy one to restore myself"?  Then mind-pictures such as 
the following went through my head:  (from the doc barry's story) 


<Rent truck and trailer, load /Unload>

<it was getting too dark> (or too late to go to the parts store)

<I only managed to break off two exhaust manifold bolts, and round off the head 
of a third.>

<The next step is to further reduce the bolt to allow a 1/2" 12-point socket to 
be hammered on, so after a few hours on this...>

<search their racks in vain for a stud extractor....(the salesman) pronounces 
that they don't carry them>

<I don't get to bed until 3:00am.> THEN.. <Up at 7:00 the next day>

<used one of the bang-in extractors, which quickly snapped off> 

<Oh, I break the dipstick tube off>

<Up Saturday morning, I still can't get the mounts to line up>...
<and they *still* don't line up!>  (later) 

<After a few hours of trying combinations of engine and frame mounts, loosening 
and tightening bolts, slotting holes, etc. we get everything bolted in solid>

<I (still) need help from my father getting the axles onto the truck, even with 
the hoist>



I have to hand it to guys like you, either your 

A.  insane   OR   B.  you *REALLY* enjoy bringing cars back from the dead!

My guess is B.  I stand in awe at guys like you.  I have the skill, the ability, 
the tools (almost), but certainly not the patience!   When that "SX" is finally 
done, your smile will be a little deeper and your pride more pronounced!

Me, I took the easier path...

1.)  opened hemmings found an ad

2.)  drove to the bank, cashed in a cd

3.)  had to drive a whole hour-and-a-half to pick up the car

4.)  drove it all the way back home

5.)  finally got it home, had to wash and wax it! (took 3 hours)

:)  seriously, congrats on getting that baby home.  Keep us informed!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:24:54 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Signing Off For a Coupla Weeks

 Tim,

We'll miss you.  I don't know of another yankee that I enjoy picking on
more.  Maybe I can save up a couple of disrespectful remarks.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.  I wish that I were going to Lansing too, but someone has to work &
protect the republic.



>
>
>Well folks, I'm starting my vacation tomorrow, and I won't be back
>to check my mail until Sept. 2; to that end, I figure I'll sign off
>so as not to cause the list to hiccup from bouncing lotsa msgs back
>at Greg :)
>
>Not that you'll be sending a lot, what with most everyone out at Lansing
>next week....  enjoy the trip, you folks who are going!!
>
>And, as they say in that song by Four Seasons,
>
>"See you in September"
>
>
>
>Tim Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:33:48 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 convertible frames

 Ken,

You have probably that much of the convertible frame is boxed.  I believe
that they  are no different except for this welding.  It is necessary
because the body w/out the roof cannot keep the car from flexing on rough
roads & undulations.  If you examine your current convertible frame, you'll
notice that the boxing of the frame is not an engineering miracle.  Possibly
you can duplicate this boxing on the hardtop frame w/ordinary materials & a
good welder.

As an aside, the frames on hardtops were built of heavier gauge materials
starting in 1971.  The 1970 frames had some trouble w/the torque of those
V8's & were improved the next year.  This should help.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Ok, I have a southern A-body frame I picked up a while ago, and I was
>told it was off a 72 cutlass. If I want to build a 72 442 convertible
>though, will there be problems because of the difference of frames
>between hardtops and convertibles?? Are the body mount holes different
>or something? Thanx for any help.
>
>Ken
>
>* 72 Cutlass Supreme *
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:39:50 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 68 OLDS 455

 Bob,

I went along w/Maryland & possibly I could go along w/The South Bronx.
Isn't it stretching it a little to be thinking of South Rhode Island?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

>>BTW is there anyone in the southern states like NC? It would seem that
>>most of you are northern.
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, didn't anyone tell you? When Greg closed the list, he closed
>it to spammers and southerners as well. I had to fight to stay on the list,
>because he considered Rhode Island to be "south" (which it is, I suppose,
if
>you're in Nova Scotia...).
>
>OK, ok, I must be getting tired...   ;)
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:01:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Re: O.A.I. letters painted?

I have a 70 Cutlass w31 and the lettering on mine is silver. I don't know if
the person who restored the car did that or what. The color of the car is
silver. I have a page out of a hot rod magazine that has a rallye 350 angine
with white lettering. I don't know if they did that so it would stick out
because the article is in black and white. I don't know if this helps.

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 07:56:21 -0700
From: "Teresa Stump" <tstump@pacbell.net>
Subject: script in Lansing?

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:56:10 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: North/South

 Don,

Gosh, you know how to hurt a fella.

_____________________________________________________________________
>> Sent by RocketMail. Get your free e-mail at http://www.rocketmail.com
>Guys,
>
>According to my wife's family, you are all Yankees.  Her family in
>Coffee Springs, Dothan, etc., Alabama consider anyone north of
>Montgomery a Yankee.
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:59:20 -0400
From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Subject: Gettin' Together

Thursday, Thursday, Thursday!  4-7 pm under the lights in the parking lot of the 
beautiful Holiday Inn West, 7501 Saginaw Highway, Lansing!  Oldsmobile Capital 
of the World!  The first-ever Olds List/Toro List/Road Assistance Get-Together!  
Street Oldses, Show Oldses, Race Oldes, Bench-Racing!  Be there!

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:02:26 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Posi rears

 Matt,

I purchased a new '73 w/3.23 posi gears.  I'm certain that the 3.08 could be
posi too.  My guess is that 3.55 may have been the highest common posi gear
by then.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>Does anybody know what ratios of posi GM made in '73? I'd like to get a
>posi rear, I have a 3.08 rear ratio now. Does posi even come at this
>ratio? Or, should I look for a quicker gear? I'm sick of "one-wheel
>peel"!
>--
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:08:11 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Sparkmobile Update

>Well, after the car got warm, the (now soft) tubing collapsed 
>under vaccum and the supply of vacuum to the A.I.R regulating
>valve was reduced

Good point. Some hoses are reinforced for _pressure_ (e.g. heater
hose, fuel hose) and some are reinforced for _vacuum_ (e.g. AIR 
pump intake, miscellaneous vacuum lines). Often they're labeled 
for purpose, and that's one reason why.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:08:58 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: 72 442 convertible frames

 Who did this to my post?  The first sentence should read:
"You probably know that much of the convertible frame is boxed".
I am getting tired of this cheap computer making these mistakes.  I have had
to throw away many pens that have gotten to misspelling & other
idiosyncrasies.  This computer is next.
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




> Ken,
>
>You have probably that much of the convertible frame is boxed.  I believe
>that they  are no different except for this welding

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:19:07 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: (NON OLDS) But funny

 Bobby,

That was fun. Thank you.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>Its Friday maybe one joke won't hurt???
>
>Best of Dear Abby.......
>

>
>Bobby
>
>70 442 Escape Back to the....Past
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:32:34 -0400
From: Todd Morris <toddmorr@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Carb Shop HEI

Just received my Carb Shop rebuilt HEI.  Looks quite impressive but it ought to
be at $225.  With some luck I hope to install it by Lansing and not have an
engine fire enroute.  A couple questions:

1.  The dist. was accompanied by a sheet of paper showing the degrees advanced
at various RPM.  It also indicated the rotation of the distributor was
clockwise, which, as we all know is exactly opposite of all Olds distributors,
which rotate counterclockwise.  I suspect this doesn't matter--I'll just adjust
timing as I always have.  No problem, right?

2.  Is a 14 ga wire heavy enough to carry the constant + current to the HEI?
Or is 12 ga mandatory?

3.  A post by R.Valentine several weeks ago on HEI conversion said that the
wire going from the + coil to the starter solenoid could just be taped off.
Two other sources of info, including the FAQ, says this wire should also lead
to the HEI, and can't be just taped off.  This lead is sometimes referred to as
the "yellow" wire.

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 11:35:08 -0500
From: "Padavano.Joe" <padavano.joe@Orbital.COM>
Subject: Re[2]: SAGA: Got my SX home, finally! (REAL LONG)

     
Me, I took the easier path...
     
1.)  opened hemmings found an ad
     
2.)  drove to the bank, cashed in a cd
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
     Ah!  Here we've found the first flaw in this theory!  :-)
     
     Seriously, even if I had the cash (and with three kids coming up 
     on college age in the next ten years, an ex-wife, a new wife, a 
     house, etc, etc, this is not a given), there is definitely a need 
     on my part to save these wretched wrecks.  I was finally able to 
     put this in terms my wife could understand - she rescues stray 
     kittens, I rescue stray 442s.  We now have four cats and a dog to 
     my four 442s and a crewcab dually (draw your own conclusions from 
     this).
     
     To me, there is also an element of this being a 1:1 scale model 
     car kit. The car is never finished because then it would cease to 
     be fun anymore.  The instant gratification of taking something 
     that doesn't work and making it functional again is amazingly 
     satisfying (something I'd forgotten in the last ten years when 
     I've not been able to work on my toys).  It is definitely a 
     wonderful therapy after a stressful day at the office.  My 70 
     W-30 is so ratty that every little thing I do to it now produces 
     an obvious improvement in the car - and a resulting warm feeling. 
     And you're right; having built the car myself, every compliment 
     is just that much sweeter.
     
     Note to Dr. Bob:  Your saga sounds a lot like the time I drove 
     straight through from Hawthorne, CA to San Jose and back to pick 
     up my 66 442 convert.  After being on the road for almost 24 
     hours straight, I made a pass through cruise nite with the 66 442 
     and the 70 Supreme tow car.
     
     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     
     

     

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:54:20 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

Greg and everyone else who cares,
I have a small handbook (written before home PCs) at home full of
calculations and conversions for horsepower, ETs, MPH, etc.  It says
that your 1/8 mile ET and MPH should be 60% of 1/4 mile ET and MPH. 
That is assuming your gear and tire selection is close for the length of
track.  Therefore, 8.5 = 14.16 and 82.7 = 137.8.  The 137.8 mph sounds
high for a 14.16 et.  A 100 to 105 would be closer.  I would assume your
gear is not optimum for the 1/8.  Overall I have found the book to be on
the money with calculations and other information.  Unfortunately it is
out of print.  On the other hand you can get computer programs for the
same function.  I have Quarter Jr. and love it.
 
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 97 07:45:03 -0500
From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Subject: Fusick Web Address

     Fusick dropped their web site, presumably 'cause it didn't bring any 
     business.
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America #18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA
(W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov   (H) brad442@erols.com
Personal Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442
OCC Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/occ
OCA Web Page - http://www.erols/com/brad442/oca

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:19:53 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: 68 OLDS 455

oh well what was I thinking

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:29:10 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

david wyatt wrote:
> 
> Greg and everyone else who cares,
> I have a small handbook (written before home PCs) at home full of
> calculations and conversions for horsepower, ETs, MPH, etc.  It says
> that your 1/8 mile ET and MPH should be 60% of 1/4 mile ET and MPH.
> That is assuming your gear and tire selection is close for the length of
> track.  Therefore, 8.5 = 14.16 and 82.7 = 137.8.  The 137.8 mph sounds
> high for a 14.16 et.  A 100 to 105 would be closer.  I would assume your
> gear is not optimum for the 1/8.  Overall I have found the book to be on
> the money with calculations and other information.  Unfortunately it is
> out of print.  On the other hand you can get computer programs for the
> same function.  I have Quarter Jr. and love it.
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2

Hey thanks- I think the calculations are screwed up because those times were for my Honda Hawk motorcycle, 
and I launched it kinda slow.  BTW my Olds ran a 9.6 1/8 and a 14.5 1/4 it's got a 350 slightly warmed over 
and a 3.08 gear posi on 225 tires.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:36:04 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: script in Lansing?

Teresa Stump wrote:

> right rear taillight bezzle (sp) mine is a little pitted.

bezel

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:41:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: O.A.I. letters painted?

the lettering on my rallye 350 is not painted, nor is my w-31. (FYI),
 steven.  w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:23:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Reply: Woodward Dream Cruise

In a message dated 97-08-15 12:39:07 EDT, you write:

<< Last year there were about 20 oldsmobiles at 13 & Woodward, is the same
 space going to be used for oldsmobiles.  I have a very nice 1969 442
 convertible that I would like to park there for most of the day.  Is
 there anything I can do to get a space there, Besides get there at 
 6 a.m. 
 
 patrickd@wwnet.com >>
Yes Patrick, the same people are gathering at 13mi and Woodward.  I have the
Saddle Bronze 72 442 W-30 that was parked up in the front row.  You are more
than welcome to park your Olds, people came and went all day long, so parking
shouldnt be that big of a problem, as for the rain, it will be dried up by
4:00 today so take your Oldsmobiles if you are in the Michigan area for the
3rd Annual WOODWARD DREAM CRUISE

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 12:35:30 -0500
From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

>Hey thanks- I think the calculations are screwed up because those times >were for my Honda Hawk motorcycle,                                                     
>and I launched it kinda slow.  BTW my Olds ran a 9.6 1/8 and a 14.5 1/4 >it's got a 350 slightly warmed over and a 3.08 gear posi on 225 tires.

Those are good times for street tires and highway gears!!
Using the 60% calculation your Olds should turn 8.7 ETs in the 1/8. 
Which would be pretty much correct from your combo if you had better
gears in the back.  4.11 or 4.56 ratios would get you there.  The book 
assumes proper gearing and slicks (ie no wheelspin).  I have the same
problem with my Olds on street tires, four speed and 3.42 gear.  14.4 @
100MPH 1/4 mile with p*ss poor traction and 1/8 mile times of 9.8 @
80MPH.  My MPH is too high for my ETs according to the book and my
Quarter Jr. program.  But they do not account for my soft launch due to
lack of traction.  My old F*irlane with 4.11s and a 289 four speed would
run 8.8 1/8 all day on 26 inch slicks.  Imagine what our Oldsmobiles
could do with gears and traction.  Your automatic gives you a launch
advantage that I don't have.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 10:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: Carb Shop HEI

- ---Todd Morris  wrote:

 Just received my Carb Shop rebuilt HEI.  Looks quite impressive but
it ought to
 be at $225.  With some luck I hope to install it by Lansing and not
have an
 engine fire enroute.  A couple questions:
 
 1.  The dist. was accompanied by a sheet of paper showing the degrees
advanced
 at various RPM.  It also indicated the rotation of the distributor was
 clockwise, which, as we all know is exactly opposite of all Olds
distributors,
 which rotate counterclockwise.  I suspect this doesn't matter--I'll
just adjust
 timing as I always have.  No problem, right?

>>>>Should be OK

 2.  Is a 14 ga wire heavy enough to carry the constant + current to
the HEI?
 Or is 12 ga mandatory?

>>>>Use a 10 gauge wire just like the factory dod form 75-up

 3.  A post by R.Valentine several weeks ago on HEI conversion said
that the
 wire going from the + coil to the starter solenoid could just be
taped off.
 Two other sources of info, including the FAQ, says this wire should
also lead
 to the HEI, and can't be just taped off.  This lead is sometimes
referred to as
 the "yellow" wire.
 
>>>>You can tape the yellow wire off. Its only function was to supply
a full 12V to the coil when cranking. It's not needed with an HEI
which runs on a full 12V and not on the resistance wire.  

>>>>Best wishes to all those going to Lansing! 

===
John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

JSPajak@rocketmail.com


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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:03:01 -0700
From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@digitalwave.net>
Subject: Chromeplated bumpers 1970 Cutlass

I have  front and rear bumpers from a 70 Cutlass. No cutouts, but  good
cores to
chrome. Show quality chroming is $210.00 plus shipping, under $30.00
anywhere in US. I can have them plated in two weeks. Money back
guarantee with a smile : (     
Return shipping is insured for $500.00 ea. in case something happens. If
you
send me your bumper as a good doable core, (exchange) i will return ship
the chromed
bumper for free. At this time i have front and rear for 71 cutlass already
plated. same price. (on hold) pending deposit     sincerely  Mike Aldana
  maldana@digitalwave.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:22:57 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Lansing 100th Questions

I've received the registration info from Olds along with a copy of the 
Olds Today newspaper, both of which have a bunch of maps and info on the 
100th celebration. A couple of points remain hazy, so maybe someone can 
clear them up.

The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles, 
etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear 
on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the 
locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...

I'm also confused re. where the 2500 or so show cars will actually be 
displayed. There is no show field indicated on any of the maps. There are 
several areas designated for "Oldsmobiles on Display" but these look like 
streets, not one large area, and they are scattered about downtown. Is 
that how it's going to be done, with streets blocked off for displays? I 
had assumed from my visit to the Homecoming show last year that the cars 
would be on display in the massive Olds lot around the plant and admin 
building. Maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:10:49 -0500
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing 100th Questions

>The materials make mention of "Lansing Center" as the hub for shuttles, 
>etc. No mention of what it actually is though, and it doesn't even appear 
>on most of the maps. Is it an arena or just an area known that way to the 
>locals? Is anything happening there? If so I must have missed it...

It appears to be a local convention center, to judge from what I see at

http://www.lansing.org/lcenter.html

>I'm also confused re. where the 2500 or so show cars will actually be 
>displayed. There is no show field indicated on any of the maps. There are 
>several areas designated for "Oldsmobiles on Display" but these look like 
>streets, not one large area, and they are scattered about downtown. Is 
>that how it's going to be done, with streets blocked off for displays?

Looks to be that way. Here's what the Lansing Center is saying:

6/1/97 - 9/30/97
Oldsmobile's 100th Year Anniversary
Exhibit featuring vehicles representing significant eras of Oldsmobile's
history. $3 adults, $2 seniors/students, children under 5 free.

    R E Olds Transportation Museum
    240 Museum Drive
    Lansing
    Phone: (517) 372-0529

8/20/97 - 8/23/97
Oldsmobile Centennial Celebration
Join the festivities as Oldsmobile celebrates its 100th Anniversary
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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 11:11:55 -0700
From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@nfs.aisf.com>
Subject: Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

hhzimmerman wrote:
> 
> Hey thanks- I think the calculations are screwed up because those times
> were for my Honda Hawk motorcycle, and I launched it kinda slow.  BTW my
> Olds ran a 9.6 1/8 and a 14.5 1/4 it's got a 350 slightly warmed over

What does "warmed over" mean?
 
> and a 3.08 gear posi on 225 tires.

Now I am confused!  I was told that my 68 4-4-2 would probably do the 
1/4 mile in 15.0 seconds.  How can that be when a 350 can do it in 14.5?
I would think that my car would be able to do that and maybe better
considering it has a higher hp rating and engine size.  Can someone
please set me straight here.

Chris Sparks

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:43:22 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: carbs

Usually the Q-Jets 4bbl are approx. 600-650 cmf. more towards 650 cmf.
The actual year of the carb would help determine that a little better. 

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	Terry E Teague[SMTP:dawgs@conninc.com]
> Sent: 	Thursday, August 14, 1997 10:51 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	carbs
> 
> Hi again with another question....can anyone tell me what the cfm of a
> Quadrajet 4 barrel carb for a 455 is?  Or what else do you need to
> know?
> 
> Terry 
> Teague
> 68  Delta Custom
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:41:51 -0400
From: "Proietto, Fernando [Ontario]" <Fernando.Proietto@ec.gc.ca>
Subject: RE: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

If you ran 8.51@82.7 mph in the 1/4 I'd be very impressed but bewildered
at how you only managed 82.7 mph. Although I'd believe it more if it
were 8.51 in the 1/8  mile.

Fernando Proietto
Systems Analyst - Informatics

Environment Canada
Ontario Region - Monitoring & Systems Branch
4905 Dufferin St. 
Downsview, Ontario
M3H 5T4

> ----------
> From: 	hhzimmerman[SMTP:hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: 	Friday, August 15, 1997 8:17 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
> 
> Hey, anyone know what a 8.51 @ 82.7mph is about in the 1/4 mile?  I
> had another run at 8.6 @ 83.3.
> 
> thanks,
> greg
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 13:37:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non-Olds: Part needed badly!

you might try this guy,he has a little bit of every thing, no make that a lot
of every thing.      hauf auto supply; wholesale and retail, ph #
(405)-372-1585 ,  33 acres of vehicles.            hopes this helps , steven.
 w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:34:05 -0500
From: "Gary" <Fischer@assiniboinec.mb.ca>
Subject: Re: Squealing_fans

> Date:          Wed, 13 Aug 1997 23:32:50 -0400
> From:          "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
> To:            oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:       Re: Squealing_fans
> Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> OK guys I have had this problem when my budget would not let me buy a
> fan. If you will drill a small hole in the top of the rear fan bering
> and put some oil in it and put some sealing putty on the hole it will
> make it quite again for a good while. Be really careful drilling and all
> will be well.
> 
> Terry Teague
> 68 Delta Custom
> 
I have done this many times and it usally works at least for a while.

Gary

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:06:42 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

This past Wednesday I took my convertible to the track.  Off my time slips
for 1/4 mile I have one run that is close to yours it at 8.504 and the 1/4
time was 13.51

Hope this helps

Rob Schinkel


- ----------
> From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4
> Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 8:17 AM
> 
> Hey, anyone know what a 8.51 @ 82.7mph is about in the 1/4 mile?  I had
another run at 8.6 @ 83.3.
> 
> thanks,
> greg

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:22:41 -0400
From: Lindsey <iamoz@ime.net>
Subject: Last Chance

I have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible with factory air parts car.
It has a 350 2bbl with automatic transmission. (Looks to be the original
motor) Have no idea if it will or could run. Does not have the interior
panels or console. Does have decent frame, good dash, good bucket seats and
rear seat (brown in color), side tinted glass (windshield is cracked),
still has convertible top pumps and motor (not sure of their condition),
gauges, etc. $500 and you pick it up. I will wait a month and then send to
junk yard as I can't leave where it is any longer than that. I live in
Thomaston Maine approximately 1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up the coast.
Please email me with questions. Would trade this car for a ram air hood
with the hold down pins that was in excellent condition.

Al Barlow
1971 Olds 442 Convertible

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:36:24 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 8.51 in 1/8mi =??? in the 1/4

david wyatt wrote:
> 
> 
> Those are good times for street tires and highway gears!!

350: bored .030, TRW flattop forged pistons, Crane 260/272 cam, variable duration lifters, comp cams roller 
rocker kit, SS valves, Edelbrock timing chain/performer intake/600cfm carb, Mallory unilite distributor, 
MSD-6al box, Blackjack headers, dual 2 1/4" exaust /w walker superturbo mufflers, auburn posi, B&M 2400 
stall converter.  I gasket matched the heads to the intake, ground out the A.I.R. bump, and port matched 
the intake.

The strip times were two years ago before the MSD, edelbrock carb (had a q-jet), and porting of heads and 
intake.  I did the porting when I blew a hole in the edge of my piston while trying to see how fast she'd 
go (hit 128, I thought the convertable top was going to blow off, I'll never do that again), I just honed 
the bore and put a new piston and rod bearing in- good as new, except it isn't balanced anymore.  I just 
put in a 5000 rpm rev limiter chip so I don't blow it up again.

- -greg

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 17:37:34 -0300
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 1/4 mile times

I have a question about performance when drag racing
What would be some causes of a car Having a low ET like 13.5 - 13.6 
but only producing speeds of 94 - 96 mph and even as low as 89 mph
I'm getting 1.8 60 ft'ers
I'm using slicks, So lots of traction
Any help appreciated

Rob Schinkel
docbob@caninet.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:54:00 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: how to build 475hp 455 for street

Hey, I just got a 455 shortblock ('68-'72) for $150.  I'm eventually going to build it up and make my 
cutlass a street terrorizing monster.  I want it streetable: 92octane, doesn't overheat, etc.

Yes, I have catalogs from Mondello, dick miller and Dave Smith- I want information from people who've 
actually build up a motor and ran it on the street.  I'm  not sure exactly how much power I need, but I 
don't want to loose to some ruch kid in his new Camaro SS.  That leaves me running high 12's in the 1/4 on 
fat street tires, and 3.73 gears (with an O/D tranny).  I'm guessing at 475 HP and 550 ft. lbs. of torque.

I'm holding out for Edelbrock's aluminum heads, I beleive I want to run a roller cam, forged pistons, main 
stud/strap kit /w windage tray, high volume oil pump, 7 quart oil pan, roller rockers, etc.

I'll start with an 850 carb, but will eventually get one of the aftermarket companies to put injectors and 
a throttle body onto a torker or offy intake for an efi package of about $1200.

I'd appreciate any advice/what to do/not to do/lessons learned etc.

thanks in advance,

greg

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Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 16:57:21 -0400
From: hhzimmerman <hhzimmerman@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1/4 mile times

Robert Schinkel wrote:
> 
> I have a question about performance when drag racing
> What would be some causes of a car Having a low ET like 13.5 - 13.6
> but only producing speeds of 94 - 96 mph and even as low as 89 mph
> I'm getting 1.8 60 ft'ers
> I'm using slicks, So lots of traction
> Any help appreciated
> 
> Rob Schinkel
> docbob@caninet.com


the low times is a measure of your engines torque and launch capability (slicks, high gears etc.), MPH is a 
measure of your top running horsepower, which is not very high.  Maybe something is not running right on 
the top end: jetting maybe?  My 350 cutlass with 3.08 gears and 225 tires ran around a 14.5 but at 93 mph.

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