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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 17 1997       Volume 01 : Number 804



Re: Disappointed with Members
Body parts interchange
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
Re: saga
Re: Comparitive ET's
weather
Who's disappointed?
Re: Where'd this AC bracket go?
Re: 71-sx
Lansing or Bust
Re: Disappointed with Members
Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?
Re: Woodward Avenue
Re: Q-jets
Re[2]: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: Woodward Avenue
Re: Disappointed with Members
Apology for the rudeness
Re: Re[2]: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
RE: Where'd this AC bracket go?
Thanks!
Man, What a Ride!!
Nats banquet formal?
Re: Sheetmetal suppliers?
Re: Where'd this AC bracket go?
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª802
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: Woodward Dream Cruise Update!
Wanted: 1956 Olds parts
Re: Woodward Dream Cruise Update!
opinions on tires?
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: Who's disappointed?
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
forced to sell 67 442
Re: Body parts interchange
Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)
Got some parts...
Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)
Re: opinions on tires?
Re: Body parts interchange
New on list-59 OLds
Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade
I need help
Re: Lansing List - Final Copy

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:13:04 -0400
From: Steve Pohlmann <safetypup@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Lindsey wrote:
>
> >I have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible with factory air parts car.
> >It has a 350 2bbl with automatic transmission. (Looks to be the original
> >motor) Have no idea if it will or could run. Does not have the interior
> >panels or console. Does have decent frame, good dash, good bucket seats and
> >rear seat (brown in color), side tinted glass (windshield is cracked),
> >still has convertible top pumps and motor (not sure of their condition),
> >gauges, etc. $500 and you pick it up. I will wait a month and then send to
> >junk yard as I can't leave where it is any longer than that. I live in
> >Thomaston Maine approximately 1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up the coast.
> >Please email me with questions. Would trade this car for a ram air hood
> >with the hold down pins that was in excellent condition.  -Al Barlow
> >
> >[[ So, the engine may be junk... no interior... top pump & such may be
> >junk... What's left? "Decent" frame, from the rustbound NE? Ahem. Buckets?
> >Glass, seats. $500 sounds a bit steep to me, unless you can turn the motor,
> >verify that it's at least not frozen up. Even then, what's to guarantee
> against
> >cracks, spun bearing, etc.?
> >
> >  Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
> >then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
> >even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
> >a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?
> >How about selling the parts by the pound, like they pay for scrap metal?
> >I get about 2-2.5 *cents* per pound here for misc. steel. 35-40c/ª for
> >aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
> >the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000
> hood,
> >no problem, eh? allrighty then.
> >
> >  'Course, folks like that provide me with plenty o' fodder down at
> >Padnos, I guess! Hey, let's have the Olds email meeting at Padnos! Shoot,
> >they close at 4:45 pm... never mind! ]]
> >--
> >Chris  B. Witt
> >*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> >wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> >
> >To all members,
>
> Note above what I placed on this email list and the response from Chris B.
> Witt. I thought all the members in this particular club were pretty decent
> people, I guess I was wrong. I don't feel I deserved this type of degrading
> and derogatory comments.
>
> Disappointed
> Al Barlow
> Maine
> 1971 Olds 442 Convertible

I THINK CHRIS WAS BEING SARCASTIC.

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 20:51:35 -0400
From: Rick Anderson <randerson@voyager.net>
Subject: Body parts interchange

I have a question about body panels for a '65 Olds Jetstar I.

What other models had interchangeable body panels (mainly the rear qtr.
panels) with the Jetstar I?  Didn't they share a body with the starfire
except for trim, tags, and moldings?  Also did the body change from year
to year?

My dad and I have been arguing about this for a while and I hoped you
guys(and gals too) who have more knowledge on the subject could help us.
Thank You.

Rick Anderson
Clarkston, MI
Black '65 Olds Jetstar I

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:06:54 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

>On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
>> So, for you late-model Delta and 98 owners out there (that means you,
>> Greg!), find a '73-'77 A-body or G-body with a rear sway bar (the Monte's,
>> GP's and Supremes often seem to have these), and 8 bolts later, you'll have
>> a flat-handling car! Only took my 20 minutes to get on there and tighten
it up.
>
>Did you need to take any special bracketry or shims from the Monte to
>make the rear bar fit?

The newer GM cars did away with the separate boxed control arms that were
used on the ->1972 A-bodies, and used a U-channel bracket that would bolt
into the underside of the regular lower control arm (creating a "boxed"
arm), which should already be drilled for the mounting bolts. These holes
are kind of staggered, and the U-channel bracket has four captive nuts, two
per side, to match. The stabilizer bar bolts to the bottom of that U-channel
bracket with two bolts, rather than to the side of the control arm as with
the earlier cars.

When you pull the bar, unbolt the four bolts from each control arm, rather
than the two bolts attaching the bar itself to the bracket, so you take the
U-channel bracket as well, still attached to the stabilizer bar. Oh, and
keep the four attaching bolts from each side; they're self-tapping units,
and they should be in good enough shape to use (the Monte I pulled my bar
from was the rustiest car I had ever seen- paper-thin frame in front of the
rear wheels, and those bolts came off without a hint of rust penetrant).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:07:04 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: saga

>From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
>Subject: saga
>
>Wow, what a weekend!

I'm already blocking it out of my memory. I just today turned a wrench on
the SX again; I guess we just needed some breathing space for a few days... ;)

>I was wondering why fiddle with the busted off xst bolts... trying to make a
>driver I guess.

??? They were the bolts holding the exhaust manifold to the heads: two on
one side, one on the other. I don't have enough spare sets of "C" heads to
consider junking the existing heads on account of broken bolts... ;)

>Those really need a torch, even a small one can do wonders-
>propane or MAPP gas.

Ya know, I considered using my little portable propane torch, but didn't
know if it would get the bolt hot enough (plus I couldn't find the darn
thing when I was loading up the car...). I've got plenty of exhaust
manifolds with studs broken off in them to practice on, though. I got lucky
with the set of "6" heads that had been sitting in a junkyard for a while
with exhaust manifolds attached. Started out with a 14mm socket this time
(ya live, ya learn...), and most came off very easily. One lone bolt held up
everything, but with the heads off the engine, I used penetrating oil on it,
and broke the manifold itself loose, so it could spin and I could work in
some oil to where the threads were. Actually, tightening it a bit, and then
backing it off, repeatedly, allowed me to get more oil in there, and
gradually work it out without breaking anything (whew!).

I think the thing that screwed me up the first time was the locking plate on
the exhaust bolts. If that's not bent *all* the way back, the socket doesn't
grip the whole head of the bolt securely, and it can slip. I'm putting the
exhaust manifolds on the SX with stainless-steel bolts, and anti-sieze
compound on the threads, and using brass nuts on the exhaust studs.

What I really need is a 17/32" 6-point socket for these kinds of jobs (ain't
got _those_ at Pep-Boys!).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:07:00 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Comparitive ET's

>Would there be a significant difference in the ET's of my car vs. say a
>72? If so (most likely), why? Because I have those Smog Dog heads?
>**********************************
>Matt Cremean
>+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=
>1973 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme

Well, yes, it would be:

Heads
Camshaft
jetting
rear gears
extra weight
automatic transmission

Fix those problems, and you'll be right there with him!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:23:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: weather

Ah, the weather.

Last week, we had unseasonably perfect 70's temps & sun. At any time it may
well become the usual hot & muggy.

Count on anything from:
lows in 30's to 70's
highs in the 70's to 90's

Quite muggy usually, sometimes get lucky

and of course rain.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Who's disappointed?

Much of what follows is a lot like my private response to the ad placer, who
mailed me to report his feather rufflage. My, what a little hornet's nest I
stirred up!

Disappointed, indeed. I'll bet, being called on the carpet like that. My whole
point was, that the ad did not say "or best offer," it said, "buy it for $500
or I sell as scrap." Which is really nothing more than extortion, using a
rare-ish car as a hostage. Strong words? Sure, I'm not in a mood to mince words
right now. Grouchy from driving a Ford, as some have surmised, while 3 Olds sit
here unattended because I haven't the time & $ to give them. But, I digress...

Here's your chance, sir, to say the words "or best offer by month's end," or
perhaps explain to the list how you justify selling for cheap to the scrapyard
but not to someone who cares about the car. [... awaits in silence...]

I admit that my terminology was a bit [OK, a lot] abrasive. Tact is, to
understate, not my forte'. Guess I just hate that kinda attitude, which, heck,
maybe I falsely read into the ad. Maybe he just *forgot* to include "or best
offer."    Maybe if I [well, not *me* I guess] show up at your doorstep
tomorrow with trailer and $200 cash, you'll cut her loose for that...

Yet, I have the right to opine how I as a poor enthusiast struggling to
buy even crappy parts cars see the situation! I have about 40 parts cars. Most
were well under $500. By necessity. Who can afford to sit on $20,000 worth of
parts cars? I stand by my original assertion that the seller told us 1) it's a
hostage situation here, and 2) there's no parts left that are *known to be
good*. I was offering my more-or-less [snort] expert opinion for the rather
less Olds-educated here, that what he was offering sounded like no bargain, and
the conditio of key parts should be addressed before asking, nay, *demanding*
5x scrap value for the parts.

Just don't seem to make sense to me to not accept the best price that an Olds
nut is *willing* to pay, giving it and other cars more/ better life by selling
it to an enthusiast.

As for the other bits of rudeness, please note that I did not quite hammer the
PERSON, just his way of presenting the deal. I did no name-calling, unlike some
others here... and after this, I shall remain silent in this forum on this
issue. Any of you who wish to take up the matter with me may do so by personal
email or in person at the centennial. No free drinks for those who disagree
with me, though! ;-)

- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:46:45 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Where'd this AC bracket go?

>I've almost completely re-installed my air conditioner on the Vista Cruiser
>(BTW, it works!) exept for one bracket that I can't remember how to
>re-install.  It's basically a flat legnth of 3/16" thick steel, about 15
>inches long.  It has one bolt hole at one end and two or three at the other.
>It's a compressor bracket but I don't remember where it goes.  I was hoping
>someone could jog my memory.  The compressor seems to be getting along fine
>without it, but I'd feel better if I had all the brackets in place.

That bracket runs from the stud on the left side of the water pump to the
lower compressor adjustment bolt. There should alse be a tiny "lip" along
one edge of the bracket for reinforcement. One of those three holes should
run to where the adjustment bolt goes through the slot on the compressor,
and into the cast-iron A/C bracket. I can't imagine how much it stabilizes
the thing, but it does serve as a washer for that adjustment bolt. Heck,
it's only two bolts, so why not put it on there? Otherwise you'll have just
one more orphan piece of iron hanging around doing nothing.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 02:46:53 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 71-sx

>does anyone happen to know production figures on 71-sx, looking at one,and
>wondered about there value.  car is bench seat item, it`s complete but has
>been sitting for ten years. car is a ª 5 condition .  please reply .

Well, there were only a few thousand in '71, but especially for a ª5 car,
the premium is not much above a non-SX Supreme's values. You may have a
potential parts car on your hands, and there is nothing exclusive to the
parts you'd find on the SX option other than the badges; everything else was
available on other cars or models, so its parts value is not very high. If
it's a high ª5, running and driveable but very rough and needing both body
and mechanical work, I'd say $500-$800 at most. If it's not driving or
running, $200-$600.

I use my '70 SX as a guideline (sitting disassembled for a decade, aspiring
to be a ª5 car); I shudder to think how *little* it is worth in its current
condition.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:53:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Lansing or Bust

   Well we took our cars to meet the car carrier this AM

my   61 Starfire Conv
my sons 71 Sup Conv
my friends 62 Starfire Coupe
my friends 60 S-88 Conv

  What a nice picture lined up in the street in front of my house, then on
the highway (95N) to Berejic Olds where we met the rest of the cars for the
truck load to the Sheraton in Lansing, 8 in all.
  Everyone have a safe trip to Lansing and lets really enjoy ourselves.
  I will sign off for the week we are gone, see you all Thursday night at the
Holiday Inn.

Everett   OCAª1961

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Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 21:51:11 -0700
From: David McDougall <dmcdou@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Lindsey wrote:
>
> >I have a 1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme Convertible with factory air parts car.
> >It has a 350 2bbl with automatic transmission. (Looks to be the original
> >motor) Have no idea if it will or could run. Does not have the interior
> >panels or console. Does have decent frame, good dash, good bucket seats and
> >rear seat (brown in color), side tinted glass (windshield is cracked),
> >still has convertible top pumps and motor (not sure of their condition),
> >gauges, etc. $500 and you pick it up. I will wait a month and then send to
> >junk yard as I can't leave where it is any longer than that. I live in
> >Thomaston Maine approximately 1.5 hours from Portland, Maine up the coast.
> >Please email me with questions. Would trade this car for a ram air hood
> >with the hold down pins that was in excellent condition.  -Al Barlow
> >
> >[[ So, the engine may be junk... no interior... top pump & such may be
> >junk... What's left? "Decent" frame, from the rustbound NE? Ahem. Buckets?
> >Glass, seats. $500 sounds a bit steep to me, unless you can turn the motor,
> >verify that it's at least not frozen up. Even then, what's to guarantee
> against
> >cracks, spun bearing, etc.?
> >
> >  Which brings up the next point. Why price something at 5x junk prices,
> >then if no one bites, sell for junk price? how about a realistic 3x, 2x,
> >even 1.1x junk price so that a low-budget enthusiast (of which there are
> >a lot more than wealthy) can find it affordable to save/ rescue the car?
> >How about selling the parts by the pound, like they pay for scrap metal?
> >I get about 2-2.5 *cents* per pound here for misc. steel. 35-40c/ª for
> >aluminum. I dunno, it just seems so... niggardly to sell for cheap to
> >the scrap yard, but not to an enthusiast. Oh, but will trade for a $1000
> hood,
> >no problem, eh? allrighty then.
> >
> >  'Course, folks like that provide me with plenty o' fodder down at
> >Padnos, I guess! Hey, let's have the Olds email meeting at Padnos! Shoot,
> >they close at 4:45 pm... never mind! ]]
> >--
> >Chris  B. Witt
> >*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> >wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
> >
> >To all members,
>
> Note above what I placed on this email list and the response from Chris B.
> Witt. I thought all the members in this particular club were pretty decent
> people, I guess I was wrong. I don't feel I deserved this type of degrading
> and derogatory comments.
>
> Disappointed
> Al Barlow
> Maine
> 1971 Olds 442 Convertible

Hello Al,

For my two cents, I believe the man has some valid points, but have to
agree with you on his choice of language/biggotry/spiritually bankrupt
approach.  You might have actually considered his opinion had he treated
you with the respect any other human being deserves.  I hope all goes
well with your covertable situation.  Down here in Virginia, we have
opportunities to donate restorable cars to high schools, charity, etc.
and write off the value on our taxes.  Maybe you can find a school that
would be willing to take the car and restore it.  That way a rare
convertable is saved and everybody wins.

Take care... Dave

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:19:06 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: '86 Hurst/Olds, worth $900?

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> mjones@dragon.gleep.com wrote:
>
>      I looked in the Auto Trader today (for the SF bay area) and
>      down in the
>      south bay there is an '86 Hurst/Olds for sale for $900 obo.
>      Owner is
>      selling as-is, so I'm curious if it has problems passing
>      smog or needs
>      parts.  Ad did say it ran, and needed some work..  Has
>      T-tops as well.
>      Would this be a good car to purchase and put a few hours
>      wrenching time
>      into?
>
> If it runs ~at all~ I'd say jump on it.  As has been said before, it's
> a fake or the wrong listed year, but it's an Olds, ~and~ it has
> T-Tops, so (at least to me) that adds a fine premium.  There's more to
> watch out for in T-Top cars, but it's very rewarding to own one
> --Trust Me--  Plus, IMHO, ~any~ running, driving car is worth $1000.
> That seems to be an average estimate, judging by the cars that went
> through the dealer I worked for.  Since they're billing it as an H/O,
> I'd guess (even as a fake) it's likely to have some other good toys in
> there somewhere, too.  Wing, scoop, rims???  Buckets, posi?  Who
> knows.  Find out a bit more, but be ready to take it home.  ~I~
> would.  (Then again, those that know me well enough here, know I have
> a habit of taking home strays that have a potential for being cool if
> only given three months worth of solid labor and twenty five thousand
> dollars......)  Seriously, though, I'd say do it.
>
> --
>
>              Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@lyrea.com
>              Box 524               | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
>              Sidney, Montana 59270 | http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner
>              "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>              "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              "TRBO LVR" (Maybe???:)| '83 Turbo Regal
>                      Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
>
Hey Charley,

I also seem to find my share of strays to take home.  It hurts me to see
any vehicle go to the crusher that has the slightest chance of
recovering from whatever disease it has.  I have wound up with more than
my share of problem children that way.  I have more projects now than I
will probably ever live to restore.  Probably should sell all of them
and buy a couple of really nice rides.  Parting with old friends is
always difficult, so I guess I won't.

Don

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:46:37 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Woodward Avenue

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
>  Everyone,
>
> If you haven't checked out the site at www.Chevrolet.com/DreamCruise,
> then you should.  It has been going on all day for coverage of teh
> Woodward Avenue Cruise.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
Bill,
The only thing I see wrong with the site you mentioned is they only pix
of Ch*vys.  You would think the stray Olds would be in the background
somewhere.

Don

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:38:00 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jets

 I also want ot mention that I took my figures from a 54 year old brain that
has never failed me that I remember or will admit.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>Ladies and Gentleman,
> In response to the Q-JET questions, I took me data from  a 25
>year old Rochester/Doug Roe hand book. The charts all stated advertized CFM
>ratings and made no mention of years. I'm sorry if I misled anyone.
>
> The General
>

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:26:06 -0300
From: "padavano.joe" <padavano.joe@orbital.com>
Subject: Re[2]: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

.. and got to keep the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse
than it really is). Through this agreement with the insurance company, I
have to give up my title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a
"salvage title". Im wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a
cleared title after a qaualified shop done the repairs and got it
recertified - after an incident.

     Pete,

     My 69 H/O was also a "salvage" car.  I bought it in So Cal when I
     lived there.  Car had no title, but a salvage certificate (it had been
     stolen and recovered, but the insurance company had already paid off).
     Since there was no damage to repair, I simply had to get the VIN
     verified at the DMV and get a brake and light inspection (in addition
     to the usual California emissions check) in order to get a new title
     issued.  Obviously, this doesn't help with AL (tho, from what Bill
     Culp says, you can get almost anything registered in AL ;-), but it
     _can_ be done.

     Joe Padavano
     padavano.joe@orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:57:47 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Woodward Avenue

Don,

 I was hoping that the main Woodward Avenue site had cars in it.  Besides,
Oldsmobiles are never in the background; they are through the light & into
the next block.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama


>Bill,
>The only thing I see wrong with the site you mentioned is they only pix
>of Ch*vys.  You would think the stray Olds would be in the background
>somewhere.
>
>Don
>

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:03:37 -0400
From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members

Hey, All....

I hate to make a frightening parallel here, but it seems as though the
"Disappointed" thread has taken a turn towards the "4-4-2 vs. Four Forty
Two" ugly discussion of a few months ago.  I suspect that in person the
conversation would have been a friendly conversation between two Olds
enthusisasts, but Cyberspace seems to skew these discussions, sadly....

'Nuff said on the subject......there's my two cents, anyway.

P.S.  Do I still qualify for the free drinks, Chris? ;-)


Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:04:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Apology for the rudeness

In all the response to Al's feather ruffling & subsequent discussion, it occurs
to me that I neglected to apologize to Al & the list in general for the tone of
the letter.

That should have begun via personal email, not the list, I suppose. Less
crudely done, in any event.

My missive was by no means representative of the list in general, just one guy
offering his perspective on Al's post. As you see, Al, many rallied to support
you. Even a couple to support my concept if not my lame delivery thereof. It
even garnered the record-setting 2-word response from Mr. U.!

So, I formally apologize to those I have offended, particularly Al. Open mouth,
swap feet. Again. I shall try to be more... urbane in the future.

Surely we have better things to talk about here. As you were.
- --
Chris  B. Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:02:24 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

 AL has changed its title laws on insurance damage.  If it gets a Salvage
Title, you can't get rid of this history & it is clearly printed on the
title, "Salvage".  Teh value of these cars is effectively destroyed.  Only
cars before 1975 are easily licensed & exempt from this craziness.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama




>
>.. and got to keep the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse
>than it really is). Through this agreement with the insurance company, I
>have to give up my title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a
>"salvage title". Im wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a
>cleared title after a qaualified shop done the repairs and got it
>recertified - after an incident.
>
>     Pete,
>
>     My 69 H/O was also a "salvage" car.  I bought it in So Cal when I
>     lived there.  Car had no title, but a salvage certificate (it had been
>     stolen and recovered, but the insurance company had already paid off).
>     Since there was no damage to repair, I simply had to get the VIN
>     verified at the DMV and get a brake and light inspection (in addition
>     to the usual California emissions check) in order to get a new title
>     issued.  Obviously, this doesn't help with AL (tho, from what Bill
>     Culp says, you can get almost anything registered in AL ;-), but it
>     _can_ be done.
>
>     Joe Padavano
>
>

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:29:02 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
>  AL has changed its title laws on insurance damage.  If it gets a Salvage
> Title, you can't get rid of this history & it is clearly printed on the
> title, "Salvage".  Teh value of these cars is effectively destroyed.  Only
> cars before 1975 are easily licensed & exempt from this craziness.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
>
> >
> >.. and got to keep the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse
> >than it really is). Through this agreement with the insurance company, I
> >have to give up my title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a
> >"salvage title". Im wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a
> >cleared title after a qaualified shop done the repairs and got it
> >recertified - after an incident.
> >
> >     Pete,
> >
> >     My 69 H/O was also a "salvage" car.  I bought it in So Cal when I
> >     lived there.  Car had no title, but a salvage certificate (it had been
> >     stolen and recovered, but the insurance company had already paid off).
> >     Since there was no damage to repair, I simply had to get the VIN
> >     verified at the DMV and get a brake and light inspection (in addition
> >     to the usual California emissions check) in order to get a new title
> >     issued.  Obviously, this doesn't help with AL (tho, from what Bill
> >     Culp says, you can get almost anything registered in AL ;-), but it
> >     _can_ be done.
> >
> >     Joe Padavano
> >
> >
Bill,

If it works there like it does in Ky, the 1975 year indicates someone
high up needed a 442 or equivalent with a clear title.  If your
connected, good things seem to happen for you.  Coincidence I am sure.

Don

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 00:30:29 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

>
> Hey I agree with Jim.  Some of us may not be as knowledgable and perfect
> as the rest and we make typing errors.  Some of you guys can be real
> critical.  I've gotten the odd unwarranted response.  WHO NEEDS IT.
> Maybe we just need to stop posting unless absolutely necessary.  Wayne

(Set it right there, thank you.)[Soap box]
Look, let's get one thing straight.  This list is for all intents and
purposes, EVERYONE's list.  All in all, for as many people that post
here, we can consider ourselves as a big family.  And we know big
families have their tiffs from time to time.  Someone got offended by
Chris's sarcasm.  Everyone who is on this list survives on it only by
the standards that Greg allows.  If you are annoying, then you will be
gone. BUT, give everyone a right to their opinion.  Just as I believe
you have a right to yours.  We may not always agree with others, but we
must allow them the right to be heard.  When I read Chris's words, I
wasn't reading it as an attack on the person selling the car.  I assumed
he was just using his "twisted logic mixed with sarcasm" I guess.  But
if you post something here, be advised that EVERYONE would see it, and
have a right for comment.  What would be deemed "Necessary" for
posting?  I guess we'll have someone come up with a subjective list of
standards to deem what's necessary and what isn't?  They tried that in
the old Soviet Union and it didn't work.  Lighten up people!  I've been
"slammed" a few times here myself, but it won't keep me from restoring
Oldsmobiles.  I live in the U.S., and served in the military to protect
my rights and rights of other Americans, and one of those rights is
freedom of speech.  Do what Greg says: If you don't like something
someone says, e-mail them personally and give them a piece of your right
to freedom of speech.  Here's my e-mail address if you want to disgagree
with me:

mrothe@prodigy.net

As for Chris, don't worry, I think he got the message. He will be
sentenced to driving a F*rd for 7 straight weeks.

OK, I'm off my soap box.  I'm not sayin another word about this.  Case
closed.  Everyone, go get your wrenches, polish, Armor-all, and get
those classic Oldses ready for LANSING!!! (Too bad I can't join ya)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:11:35 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Where'd this AC bracket go?

Greg wrote:

- ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Greg Pruett
Sent: Friday, August 15, 1997 10:11 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Where'd this AC bracket go?

I've almost completely re-installed my air conditioner on the Vista Cruiser
(BTW, it works!) exept for one bracket that I can't remember how to
re-install.  It's basically a flat legnth of 3/16" thick steel, about 15
inches long.  It has one bolt hole at one end and two or three at the other.
It's a compressor bracket but I don't remember where it goes.  I was hoping
someone could jog my memory.  The compressor seems to be getting along fine
without it, but I'd feel better if I had all the brackets in place.

Thanks,

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

Greg:

Your description sounds like the arm which runs from the bottom of the
compressor to the closest stud hole on the water pump (left-most hole as you
face the engine compartment).  The 3 bolt holes go to the compressor side. On
my VC the innermost bolt hole is used to couple to the compressor setup.

Fred Orcutt
72 VC
69 D88
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901/

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 03:16:06 UT
From: "Fred Orcutt" <F_M_O@msn.com>
Subject: Thanks!

Thanks to Mike Rothe, Don Sugarman & acg for responding to my request for info
on a failed blower.  I am very, very happy to report that it turned out to be
a fried blower relay -- at least for the 3 lower fan speeds. I'm not that
worried about the high setting for now; just glad I didn't have to mess with
the fan itself! Thanks again, guys.

Fred Orcutt
72 VC
69 D88
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Dunes/3901

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Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 23:56:04 -0500
From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Subject: Man, What a Ride!!

I had posted a message here a few days ago concerning a 69 H/O I spotted
while out snooping. I got in touch with the owner, and he kinda sorta is
thinking about selling... but I digress.

Anyway I called him up today and went to meet him. We chatted for a few
minutes, then he offered me a ride. I was truly impressed. I knew that I
was going to get a show when he dropped the shifter into first gear in
the "His" side of the gate. We pulled out on the street, and we were
off. Damn, that car can MOVE! Maybe all this is old hat to you w-machine
owners, but it was a blast for me. It sure gives me the itch for
something fast. I have a 72 S with a 350, but it's my transportation, so
big engines and such are out for that car. But I've got my eye on a 71
Supreme I located that has a seized engine. And, the gentleman with the
H/O has a *very* nice 425 for sale. Now, if I can only find the money...

Still dreamin'

JR

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:25:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Nats banquet formal?

Hi all --

Last-minute Nats question:

I haven't read anything about whether the dinner or any of the other
events are going to be formal.  Each year, the attire differs, depending
on who hosts it.  I assume the barbecue is casual, but I wasn't sure about
the rest.  Anyone know?

I'm leaving Tuesday morning (flying, not driving) and will be back Monday
night.  Hope to see lots of you guys there . . .

8)
peg

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 01:37:54 -0500
From: dhamlett@mitec.net
Subject: Re: Sheetmetal suppliers?

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
>
> Does anybody have the contact info for sheetmetal suppliers? Floorpans,
> specifically, for a '66 Cutlass.
>
> Any pointers appreciated... phone numbers, name of company, etc.
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> *the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
Sure, everyone and their dog has floorpans for the 66 (Fusicks,
Brothers, Year One etc) but finding anything but floors and trunks is
pretty tough.
- --

- -----------------------------------------
      Dan Hamlett
      1966 Cutlass Convertible
      1995 Cutlass Supreme SL
      mailto:dhamlett@mitec.net
      http://www.mitec.net/~dhamlett
- -----------------------------------------

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:07:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Where'd this AC bracket go?

15" long, woah, thats a hekkuva pice 2 4-get!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:11:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

y is everyone so against fords, I luv my 69 MACH 1, R U GOING TO TELL ME THAT
ITS AN UGLY CAR???????????  if your going to punish, then banish them to
driving chevies............ of course i luv my 67 F-85 and 442
conv.......................

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 04:15:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª802

peace??? yo yo yo homey!!!!!!! welcome 2 the olds crowd!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 05:47:34 -0700
From: markops@Traveller.COM
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

Lloyd W. Culp wrote:
>
>  AL has changed its title laws on insurance damage.  If it gets a Salvage
> Title, you can't get rid of this history & it is clearly printed on the
> title, "Salvage".  Teh value of these cars is effectively destroyed.  Only
> cars before 1975 are easily licensed & exempt from this craziness.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
>
> >
> >.. and got to keep the "salvage" as they put it. (looks a lot worse
> >than it really is). Through this agreement with the insurance company, I
> >have to give up my title and plates and the state of AL will issue me a
> >"salvage title". Im wondering if anyone else on the list had gotten a
> >cleared title after a qaualified shop done the repairs and got it
> >recertified - after an incident.
> >


Bill, THanks thats some good info the lady in the AL title department
neglected to relay to me when she tried to answer my questions. What if
I decide to sorta "give" my Olds to one of my many relatives who reside
north of the mason dixon line and they try to title it in their state,
and then, say I "buy" my Olds back from them and then change the title
over. Do you think I can get around this AL title BS ?
If not, I really shouldnt be too worried since I dont plan to part with
the car - only 3000 442's made in 1985 (thanks Mike). I told my wife
about the numbers produced in 1985 and she seems to be going along with
the idea to get the car repaired - shes stopped whining.
Once it gets finished it might give me an excuse to tell my wife I need
another garage or shed out in the back yard.
Thanks
Pete M. (85 OLds 442 / 71 malibu)

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 08:39:21 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Woodward Dream Cruise Update!

>WOW!  Cruised the Woodward strip last night what fun!

Lots of stuff SNIPPED...

RC and the list,

Don't know if you made it down our way but we "The Oldsmobile Street
Rockets" were out in force. We had near 20 cars there at one point or
another on Saturday. We had from this list, Mr. Mark Prince with his
AWESOME 72' W-30, Mr. Mark Cornea with his 70' W-30 (is this the cleanest
W-30 in existence?) and Mr. Brian Lorway and one is never enough, but TWO
W-30's a hardtop and a convertible, both very, very nice examples and
last but not least, me....

For those who missed the worlds largest car show and cruise, well,
there's next year....;-P

Anyway, had a blast and the weather all in all was excellent. We had some
VERY, VERY crummy weather in the morning but it cleared and mostly
sunshine all day. Rain fell a couple of times but it just served to wipe
the dust off the car and that's OK w/me.

Law enforcement was in SERIOUS supply on Woodward. We had a little
altercation with one of Royal Oak's most ignorant. One of our group was
trying to park his Cutlass and the officers on bicycles (yes, that's
right...) would not back up to give him proper room to park. Much
bantering between the driver, his passenger, the officers, lots of Olds
enthusiast and passers-by ensued. It turned for the worse when one of the
officers said, "I wouldn't drive a car like that!"..... (LONG PAUSE)
We lamented that those were fine words for a guy DRIVING A BICYCLE! This
fella's car, by the way, is a good looker and those words were totally
inappropriate....

Traffic was awful, saw a Mustang, think I saw a Camaro... did we see any
Chevelle's? Help me out here guys... Seriously, it started to get pretty
crazy toward the last 2 hours, they closed it down at 9:00PM. I thought
it a succesful day without losing $100 bucks and 2 points  for reckless
operation as some did... I did my fair share (at the risk of sounding
juvenile) of burnouts but it sure was a lot of fun. Great, great Olds
participation and looking forward to next years event.


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:54:57 -0500
From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Subject: Wanted: 1956 Olds parts

Friends,

I am looking for a A/C compressor for a 56 olds super 88.  I am also
looking for a fuel/vacuum pump(nos or rebuilt).  Also, who does quality
work rebuilding fuel/vacuum pumps. Thanks for any help



John

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:36:17 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: Woodward Dream Cruise Update!

Mike,

I didn't make it far enough south to find you guys!  Brian told me you were
all hanging out at the Firestone at 13 mile.  Oh well, there's always next
year.  The wife and I had a blast.  Found a spot to park just north of 14
mile.  My uncle said he saw the "Olds line-up".  Missed it by about a mile.

Sounds like everyone witnessed the reason why they put that cop on a bike!
Probably just another frustrated ford owner.  :)

Hope to meet you and all the other "Olds boys" in Lansing.  Thanks for the
update!

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:59:47 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: opinions on tires?

I'm having a tuff time finding *nice* raised white letter tires in the
size needed.

Currently the car has Dunlop, P235/70 14"

Getting the 14" is the hard part.

After talking to a few tire places, it looks like i'll have to go with
P225/70 14"

A little narrower tread width, but I think it will be ok.  Will it?

What opinion(s) do you guys have about the following brand names i'm
considering:

BF Goodrich Radial T/A

Firestone


Any other suggestions are welcomed.

(I wish they would start making the Goodyear Eagle STs again)

Thanks

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:31:28 -0400
From: "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

RC I have had the same problem...I am using the tire you are getting no
problem. They are a little narrower and alittle shorter too. I am
running BFG's. And love them

Terry Teague
68 Delta Custom

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:39:21 -0400
From: mrhell@m1.sprynet.com
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com> wrote:
>RC I have had the same problem...I am using the tire you are getting no
>problem. They are a little narrower and alittle shorter too. I am
>running BFG's. And love them
>
>Terry Teague
>68 Delta Custom
>

Thanks Terry!

I want a wide tire, but not so wide it doesn't look stock like a 60
size.

Think i'll try the P225 size.

RC Hellebuyck
1971 4-4-2 covt.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:05:07 -0500
From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Subject: Re: Who's disappointed?

On Sat, 16 Aug 1997 22:42:56 -0400 (EDT) "Chris Brown Witt"
<wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
>Much of what follows is a lot like my private response to the ad
>placer, who
>mailed me to report his feather rufflage. My, what a little hornet's
>nest I
>stirred up!
>
>Disappointed, indeed. I'll bet, being called on the carpet like that.
>My whole
>point was, that the ad did not say "or best offer," it said, "buy it
>for $500
>or I sell as scrap." Which is really nothing more than extortion,
>--
>Chris  B. Witt
>*the* Rocket Scientist, fleet includes '68 Toro, 442, and 442...
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
I'm afraid that I have to agree with Chris on this one. I had a nice 81
Cutlass wagon and needed to get rid of it. The car was in really good
shape, sheetmetal wise and only needed a motor and tranny. I DESPISED the
thought of rendering it to a scrap yard, but my choices were waning.
Finally, I wound up selling it to an individual for $30.00. Comforted by
the fact that it would be made road-worthy again, I settled for that. The
car, IMHO, was worth at least $200.00, but I couldn't get more than that
for it. At Least it's NOT in the scrapyard!!!
Katana72          "It's NOT yourDaddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!    Hastings, MN

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:48:46 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

mrhell@m1.sprynet.com wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Aug 1997, "Terry E Teague" <dawgs@conninc.com> wrote:
> >RC I have had the same problem...I am using the tire you are getting no
> >problem. They are a little narrower and alittle shorter too. I am
> >running BFG's. And love them
> >
> >Terry Teague
> >68 Delta Custom
> >
>
> Thanks Terry!
>
> I want a wide tire, but not so wide it doesn't look stock like a 60
> size.
>
> Think i'll try the P225 size.
>
> RC Hellebuyck
> 1971 4-4-2 covt.

Guys, I'm running P235/60 x 15" BFG TA's with 7" Olds wheels on my 69
442. I haven't noticed any problems.  My suspension system is all
new.....no sags.

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 09:56:56 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

> y is everyone so against fords, I luv my 69 MACH 1, R U GOING TO TELL ME
THAT
> ITS AN UGLY CAR???????????  if your going to punish, then banish them to
> driving chevies............ of course i luv my 67 F-85 and 442
> conv.......................

Some Chevys have Olds engines so that wouldn't be complete punishment.

Daren

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:01:37 -0400
From: Ken <olds442@en.com>
Subject: forced to sell 67 442

My wife is twisting my arm to sell my 67 442 convertible.  The loan
payout is $4005.  Come up with $4000 and it's yours.  Send private email
for picture and description.

olds442@en.com
Cleveland, Ohio

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:23:58 -0500
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: Body parts interchange

> I have a question about body panels for a '65 Olds Jetstar I.
>
> What other models had interchangeable body panels (mainly the rear qtr.
> panels) with the Jetstar I?
> Rick Anderson
> Clarkston, MI
> Black '65 Olds Jetstar I

Olds used I think three different back windows on the non-98 full size
cars. The Starfire Jetstar 1 used a sort of curved in window the Jetstar 88
used a flat window and the Delta and Dynamic 88s used a bowed out window.
This I think would make a little difference in where the c pillar connects
to the qtr. but something that could be easily modified to fit your car.
Doors and fenders should all be the same. I think 98s even used the same
doors and fenders. The 98s(126") wheelbase is three inches longer than the
88s(123") and this is added between the doors and rear wheel. All of these
cars used different trim so the trim holes will more than likely be in the
wrong spots if you get a panel from a different car than yours.

Daren

p.s. I got the descriptions for the rear windows from my '65 sales brochure
which has drawings instead of pictures.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 11:18:13 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Disappointed with Members (Rebuttal)

Daren & Laurie Hendley wrote:
>
> > y is everyone so against fords, I luv my 69 MACH 1, R U GOING TO TELL ME
> THAT
> > ITS AN UGLY CAR???????????  if your going to punish, then banish them to
> > driving chevies............ of course i luv my 67 F-85 and 442
> > conv.......................
>
> Some Chevys have Olds engines so that wouldn't be complete punishment.
>
No one ever said F*rds are ugly.  Hey, but YOU said it. (Ewww!Festieva!
Fairmont!)  What was I thinking?  I should have said Pacer X?  It's just
that I thought, for some reason, this was a list devoted to Oldsmobiles,
which are much more classy than most other makes.

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 97 11:24:54 -0500
From: Mike Hall <oldsmike@flash.net>
Subject: Got some parts...

At the Woodward Cruise this weekend, I made some deals, they are:

- - Four 15" x 7" SSIII Rims for $200.
I will be sandblasting and painting this winter...

- - A 72' OAI hood for $400.
Deal not yet complete, I need to look it over, has a couple of small
cracks and some frame rust which requires some frame rebuild

- - 72' Cutlass S "OLDSMOBILE" trunk script for $50.
Deal not yet complete, I need to see how really good it is. I understand
it is near perfect and I'm OK w/the $$ if it is...

So,
A rather comprehensive list of changes are well into the planning stages
for completion for next years season of Oldsmobiling:

- - Add 15" x 7" rims on front and mount Goodrich black wall radials
- - Add 15" x 8" rims on back (have 7" rims widened) and mount Goodrich
Drag radials
- - Add OAI hood and custom OAI breather assembly
- - Install my fresh TH400 tranny/driveshaft & Coan 10" 3500 RPM stall
torque converter
- - Rejet Carb. to performance specs.
- - Install electric fuel pump (did Olds use 3/8" fuel line? If not, I will
install...)
- - Install Auto Meter Tach. w/shift light
- - Install Mondello 22-25-10 Cam
- - And no, the A/C is NOT coming off the car and it WILL be working by
Spring 1998!

She runs low 14's and with the A/C belt off and with the above changes
I'm hoping to skip 13's all together, hoping for mid to high 12's. What
are the thoughts from the performance crowd here, comments and opinions
welcome!


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: oldsmike@flash.net
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 14.27 @ 97.18 mph
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:46:15 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 442 Body Panels(update)

 Pete,

I believe that if the title ever gets marked "Salvage", then the deed id
done as far as anyone tracing the history of the car is concerned.  The
evidence will be there even if you get a title later w/out the "Salvage"
moniker.  Try to get the other state to title the car before this history is
stamped in "history".

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama



>
>Bill, THanks thats some good info the lady in the AL title department
>neglected to relay to me when she tried to answer my questions. What if
>I decide to sorta "give" my Olds to one of my many relatives who reside
>north of the mason dixon line and they try to title it in their state,
>and then, say I "buy" my Olds back from them and then change the title
>over. Do you think I can get around this AL title BS ?
>If not, I really shouldnt be too worried since I dont plan to part with
>the car - only 3000 442's made in 1985 (thanks Mike). I told my wife
>about the numbers produced in 1985 and she seems to be going along with
>the idea to get the car repaired - shes stopped whining.
>Once it gets finished it might give me an excuse to tell my wife I need
>another garage or shed out in the back yard.
>Thanks
>Pete M. (85 OLds 442 / 71 malibu)
>

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 13:00:16 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: opinions on tires?

Looking at the ad from "The Tire Rack" in C&D, I can see your problem.
There aren't many big sizes made for 14" wheels these days. But there are
a few choices they show:

Goodyear ST IV (must be a new series):
225/70SR-14 $56
235/60SR-14 $62

Goodyear Eagle ª1 Champ Gold Edition (yellow letters?):
245/60SR-14 $73

BF Goodrich Radial T/A:
215/70SR-14 (what I have) $63
235/60SR-14 $66
245/50SR-14 $111 (bet they'd look funny on my 6" rims...)

Firestone Firehawk SS10
225/70SR-14 $54
235/60SR-14 $57

Firestone Firehawk SR480
225/70SR-14 $60 (outlined white letters)

The Radial T/A's I have are fine tires. Not sure about tread life though,
they seem to be disappearing fast. When I bought them the dealer also
offered Uniroyal Rallye something-or-others for around the same price or
maybe a little less. I like the Goodrich's though, even if it's mostly
for just cosmetics. I know that Uniroyal/Goodrich are the same company.

The phone number of Tire Rack is 888-370-8473 if you're interested.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:54:09 -0000
From: "Lloyd W. Culp" <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Subject: Re: Body parts interchange

Darren,

 The general rear window treatment of the Jetstar 1 & Starfire is identical
to the Grand Prix & probably uses the same glass.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama





>> I have a question about body panels for a '65 Olds Jetstar I.
>>
>> What other models had interchangeable body panels (mainly the rear qtr.
>> panels) with the Jetstar I?
>> Rick Anderson
>> Clarkston, MI
>> Black '65 Olds Jetstar I
>
>Olds used I think three different back windows on the non-98 full size
>cars. The Starfire Jetstar 1 used a sort of curved in window the Jetstar 88
>used a flat window and the Delta and Dynamic 88s used a bowed out window.
>This I think would make a little difference in where the c pillar connects
>to the qtr. but something that could be easily modified to fit your car.
>Doors and fenders should all be the same. I think 98s even used the same
>doors and fenders. The 98s(126") wheelbase is three inches longer than the
>88s(123") and this is added between the doors and rear wheel. All of these
>cars used different trim so the trim holes will more than likely be in the
>wrong spots if you get a panel from a different car than yours.
>
>Daren
>
>p.s. I got the descriptions for the rear windows from my '65 sales brochure
>which has drawings instead of pictures.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 10:10:00 -0600
From: Merkley Family <jancan@istar.ca>
Subject: New on list-59 OLds

Hi. were new on the list but long time Olds fanatics. We just picked up
a 59 OLds which we intend to restore back to original condition, which
means a lot of time and work I think. However I am committed and would
like any info on parts etc.(will ship from most anywhere if needed )
It's good to see so many olds lovers out there. thanks

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 07:47:07 -0700
From: mrada <mrada@catalina-inter.net>
Subject: Re: B/C Body Suspension Upgrade

Hi all,

What is understeer?

Chris Sparks

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:24:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: I need help

Help! I read an email that said that there was a 70 cutlass w31 for sale! The
person said that it was blue with black stripes and black interior. My
question is how did you find that ad? How did you see it? Is it a webpage or
what? Please help me out! Thanks!

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Date: Sun, 17 Aug 1997 12:55:51 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Lansing List - Final Copy

I am unable to go now so take my name off the lansing list

Robert Schinkel
Sad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- ----------
> From: Cliff McFarlane <mcfrlan@bconnex.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Lansing List - Final Copy
> Date: Thursday, August 14, 1997 10:21 PM
>
> Here is the final copy of the Lansing list. I hope that everyone is on
> the list now. I guess I'll see you all in Lansing.
>
> Cliff McFarlane,
> fleet includes: 62 Starfire(parts), 62 Starfire conv(being restored), 62
> 98(parts), 63 Starfire conv(going to make into trailer), 63 Super
> 88(parts), 63 Starfire(restored) 63 Starfire(future resto project), 57
> Ford Failane 500 conv(restored)
>  _______________________________________________________________________
>   NAME                 HOTEL               DATE
> CAR                 ====                 =====               ====
> ===
> Adams, Tom           Kellogg Center       8/21-24   66 Delta conv
> Allen, Joseph        Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   57 88 J/2 conv
> Beaulieu, Greg       Hampton Inn          8/18-23   none
> Bicker, Steve        Quailty Suites       8/19-24   67 442
> Blankenship, Mike    Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Bradley, Terry&Barb  Regent Inn           8/20-24   71Cutlass 70W-30
> Brown, David         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   77 Delta 88
> Chermack, Jim        Marriot East         8/18-25   67 442 W-30
> Cornea, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   70 442 W-30
> Cremean, Matt        Blissfiend, MI       8/21      73 Cutlass S
> Easton, Jeff         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-22   70 442
> Forsee, Ron          Hampton Inn          8/20-24   65 442
> Gillespie, Mick      Battle Creek Inn     8/21-23   69 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Nikki        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 Cutlass conv
> Glista, Richard      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   68 442
> Gulino, Dan          Sleep Inn            8/20-24   75 Delta 88 conv
> Hall, Mike           Holiday Inn West     8/21-24   72 Cutlass S
> Handren, Bob&Cheryl  Cottenwood CG        8/20-24   67 442 W-30
> Harkema, Doug        Holt, MI             all       70 Supreme conv
> Hartlieb, Paul       Marriot East         8/19-23   67 98
> Hendley, Daren       Ramada               8/20-24   none
> Hirtle, Don          Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Hoopingarner, Kevin  Cottonwood CG        8/19-24   none
> Horton, Everett      Sheraton             8/19-23   61 Starfire conv
> Horton, Gordon       Sheraton             8/19-23   71 Supreme conv
> Johnson, Ernie       Ramada               8/20-24   67 442
> Kitchner, Doug       Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   70 Supreme conv
> Kobinsky, Jeff&Patti Days Inn             8/20-22   86 98
> Lamb, Aaron          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   72 Cutlass
> Loban, John          Clubhouse Inn        8/20-24   63 Starfire conv
> McFarlane, Cliff     Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 Starfire
> McKeague, Jim        Holiday Inn South    8/20-23   70 Cutlass W-31
> Melen, Ulyess        Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   71 Cutlass S
> Morris, Todd         Fairfield Okemos     8/20-24   71 442
> Nicholson, Brad      Best Western         8/19-24   94 LSS
> O'Connor, Peg        Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   none
> Penny, Steve         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Prince, Mark         Clubhouse Inn        8/19-24   72 442 W-30
> Prince, Michael      Clubhouse Inn        8/20-23   70 Cutlass S
> Pritchett, Bill      Radisson             8/20-23   61 98
> Richmond, John       FairField Inn West   8/22-23   72 442
> Roberts, Rick        Clubhouse Inn        8/22      72 H/O
> Ruper, Chris         Best Western-Midway  8/19-24   none
> Senko, Drew          Sheraton             8/20-23   71 Supreme conv
> Schinkel, Rob        Red Roof Inn         8/21-22   none
> Smetana, Chris       BW Govenors          8/20-24   possibly a 72 S
> Smith, Brian         Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Smith, Bryce         Days Inn             8/18-23   none
> Soball, Dave         Motel 6 Central      8/20-24   55 98
> Stewart, Sandy       Hampton              8/18-23   none
> Thomas, Robert       Clubhoue Inn         8/22      69 442 W-32
> Thompson, Doug       Regent Inn           8/20      67 442
> Westlake, Steve      Holiday Inn West     8/19-24   63 98
> Williams, Dan        Hampton Inn          8/20-24   68 442 conv
> Williams, Danny      Red Roof Inn         8/20-24   none
> Wilson, Jim          none                 8/19-24   64 Starfire
> Wyatt, Dave          BW Govenors          8/20-24   70 442
> _______________________________________________________________________
>
> LIST TOTAL = 57 People

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